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9-11 Troofer's Book Debuts at Number 1

Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:52:22 am PDT

Jerome Corsi’s new book on Barack Obama debuted at number one on the New York Times list. But I was surprised and dismayed to learn that Corsi is a 9-11 Truther.

For me, and I suspect for many others, that is a huge, honking red “no-credibility” flag.

David Freddoso’s book, although I have not read it yet, looks like a much better bet: The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media’s Favorite Candidate.

UPDATE at 8/15/08 12:41:05 pm:

Corsi has also appeared several times on the vile white nationalist radio show Political Cesspool, a favorite haunt of David Duke. Excuse me while I retch.

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1 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:53:08am

Ouch, that's a headline Charles. Waiting for tfk's response.

2 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:54:44am

Is Soros behind Corsi?
Pay for a attack book that lacks credibility.
Those attacks are easily dismissed in the future, true or not because a fruit loop published them.

3 willowone  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:54:53am

now i understand your commitment to not allowing the BC to overwhelm room. it can be used to negate the truth

4 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:57:26am

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

Ouch, that's a headline Charles. Waiting for tfk's response.

Can't. Wait. To. See. It.

He's been blasting Cognito over it, and for this one, I think I'm with Cog.

5 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:57:34am

That kind of support McCain can do without.

6 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:57:46am

Hugh Hewitt's been promoting Freddoso's book this week. I'm hoping he'll have him on as a guest soon.

7 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:58:03am

re: #2 jcm

Is Soros behind Corsi?
Pay for a attack book that lacks credibility.
Those attacks are easily dismissed in the future, true or not because a fruit loop published them.

Vaccination. Like taking his pet poodle in for shots.

8 AZDave  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:58:13am
The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media’s Favorite Candidate.


As usual, the Obamanoids will have a collective shit fit about this. Can any one spell R-A-C-I-S-T?

9 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:58:48am

I've been hearing about Freddoso's book and the conservative talk-radio shows have been having him on to discuss and promote it - sounds very well researched. I've never heard of this other guy.

10 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:59:00am

Great thread, Charles.

There are many people, it seems, who are willing to pick through the chaff in search of some stray wheat, in this guy's work. Unfortunately the chaff is toxic.

We don't need this guy to tell us about Obama's failings. Better men can do it.

11 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:59:01am

Somewhere, Admiral Ackbar is smiling. Or... well, whatever it is that his species does.

12 willowone  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:59:03am

heck i was also. but that same idea should be used for msm, they can be crackpots than print truth, and we're all supposed to recognise truth when it is shown? that's become a problem for all of us., and we shouldn't support it even for our side.

13 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:59:27am

Corsi is also a North American Union conspiracist.

Just the same, if the bulk of what he alleges in his Obama book is true, then it is true. Regardless of his views on other matters.

Not that his views on other matters won't be used as a basis for an ad-hominem counter attack, which the MSM will only be too proud to promote.

In related news, Howard Dean has declared that the GOP is "the White party".

14 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:59:55am

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

Can't. Wait. To. See. It.

He's been blasting Cognito over it, and for this one, I think I'm with Cog.

It will be a race between Corsi's attacks on Obama versus the left's attacks on Corsi, to see which has more impact between now and November 4th. Could get interesting.

15 nikis-knight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:00:13pm

Hugh Hewitt was talking about the Obama response to this book last night, trying to debunk it but (in his opinion) only succeeding in keeping names like Rezco and Ayers in the news.
Which I'm for, but not if it benefits a troofer. Those guys are a virus.

16 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:00:36pm

re: #13 karmic_inquisitor

Corsi is also a North American Union conspiracist.

Just the same, if the bulk of what he alleges in his Obama book is true, then it is true. Regardless of his views on other matters.

Not that his views on other matters won't be used as a basis for an ad-hominem counter attack, which the MSM will only be too proud to promote.

In related news, Howard Dean has declared that the GOP is "the White party".

Again?

17 Plato  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:00:42pm

dang...I just bought the book yesterday

18 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:01:20pm

What an idiot.

19 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:01:22pm

re: #13 karmic_inquisitor

Does that mean the Democrat Party is the "anti-white" Party? Run with that one to all those Yankee Unionists that voted for Hillary!

20 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:01:23pm
21 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:01:36pm

Jerome Corsi will henceforth be known as the "Alex Jones Wing of the Republican Party".

22 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:01:47pm

re: #17 Plato

dang...I just bought the book yesterday

Buy Freddoso's book as well, and write some book reports for us please.

23 looking closely  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:02:37pm

Troofers against Obama?

I thought Obama had the Troofer demographic locked up.

24 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:03:14pm

re: #16 vapig

Again?

Howie Screamin' Dean has been out of the news lately, so he dug up 2004 to see if the MSM can get a wiff.

25 Golem Akbar  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:03:31pm

Huge uh oh.

26 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:03:31pm

I think the fact this book debuted at number one goes to show there is an overwhelming demand for the non-msm spin concerning obama. That the author is a troofer, however, is damaging not only to his own credibility, but to anyone parroting his arguments.

27 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:03:37pm

re: #20 taxfreekiller

Sorry, tfk, the source does matter. Just ask Dan Rather.

28 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:03:40pm

Corsi might be a troother, but even a blind hog finds an acorn sometimes.

29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:03:45pm

I was actually interested till I heard he was a troofer.

Still nice to see Pelosi getting buried though.

30 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:04:01pm

re: #23 looking closely

Troofers against Obama?

I thought Obama had the Troofer demographic locked up.

Internecine warfare. ;-)

31 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:04:10pm

re: #27 Ford_Prefect

Sorry, tfk, the source does matter. Just ask Dan Rather.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

32 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:04:16pm

[Link: www.enquirerherald.com...]

Looks like Chavez has "proof" that the US orchestrated the crisis in Georgia, though he can't share that "proof."

33 Occam's Beard  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:04:40pm

re: #17 Plato

dang...I just bought the book yesterday

Damn. Same here. I wouldn't have, had I known he was a troofer.

34 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:04:42pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was actually interested till I heard he was a troofer.

Still nice to see Pelosi getting buried though.

Hilarious. What's she sold, like 3,000 books?

35 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:04:45pm
36 Genosaurer  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:24pm

re: #2 jcm

Is Soros behind Corsi?
Pay for a attack book that lacks credibility.
Those attacks are easily dismissed in the future, true or not because a fruit loop published them.

I rather doubt it. Corsi was one of the authors of Unfit For Command, which played a big part in sinking John F'in Kerry's presidential bid.

37 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:31pm

re: #35 taxfreekiller

Doubtful.

38 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:37pm

re: #31 Honorary Yooper

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

What? Did I repeat? Sorry I have been kind of in and out today.

39 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:38pm

It doesn't take Corsi's book to realize that Obama is a leftist (depending on who you talk to or the day of flip flops occurring, he could be considered a socialist, Marxist, or communist). I put him squarely in the socialist camp with his consistent drumbeat of redistribution of wealth through the tax system. His policies have been tried before and failed miserably, and the American standard of living would suffer horribly for them.

Still, there's nothing stealthy about Obama's politics - every time he opens his mouth to discuss economic and social policy, the trappings of socialism is pervasive. The imagery associated with his campaign is taken verbatim from socialist and Soviet propaganda. The only thing perhaps missing is a Five Year Plan (he might have a 10 year plan or two, but that's probably an oversight).

Corsi definitely loses credibility because of his troofer ties - and given how I work just blocks from the WTC, I find it grossly offensive to say the least. I just hope it doesn't detract from the message others are saying about Obama (that Obama's supporters will smear Corsi and by extension anyone else who looks at his book as a source) - because Obama is carrying on with a socialist agenda. Of course, there's a further problem for Obama (the solution to which is dissembling and cognitive dissonance) in that many of his own supporters are troofers who are prone to thinking that Bush orchestrated the war in Iraq, 9/11 and any other number of events to further an oil agenda.

40 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:42pm

re: #35 taxfreekiller

But for Corsi, you would be watching John F. Kerry sign all the former Russian republics back over to Putin this day.

so fickle

Evidence that the book actually affected the election?

Kerry did most of the worst damage to himself by himself.

41 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:06:01pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All of these books are bullshit. Mikey Moore is just as full of shit as Jerome Corsi. These books are designed to fleece the faithful. I think it's best to not feed the beast.

42 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:06:38pm

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Actually, the first person to sense it was a trap was Lando. Ackbar questioned Lando... after all..why jam if they wouldn't know the Rebels were coming...

43 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:06:41pm
For me, and I suspect for many others, that is a huge, honking red “no-credibility” flag.

It sure makes me uneasy. As did Corsi's support for the "North American Union" business.

I'm willing to buy and read his book, but I'm also buying the other. And I'm going to be checking every reference I can.

44 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:06:44pm

re: #32 karmic_inquisitor

[Link: www.enquirerherald.com...]

Looks like Chavez has "proof" that the US orchestrated the crisis in Georgia, though he can't share that "proof."

Translation: LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!

45 Golem Akbar  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:06:48pm

Corsi is toxic. Troofer? Racist? Buh bye, Corsi. Good riddance. There are many others out there with the facts against the O-man who aren't nut cakes. Let's hear them out. Not Corsi.

46 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:06:50pm

re: #32 karmic_inquisitor

[Link: www.enquirerherald.com...]

Looks like Chavez has "proof" that the US orchestrated the crisis in Georgia, though he can't share that "proof."

No surprise there, really.

Sometimes I worry that we're sinking into what I'll call the New Dark Ages, where people will give credence to any thought, any voodoo, any mumbo jumbo, and have no faith in logic or fact.

47 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:07:04pm

re: #23 looking closely

Troofers against Obama?

I thought Obama had the Troofer demographic locked up.

Nah, no surprise either: the 9/11 Troof Movement has been beset by factionalization from the beginning. I think the first split was the Plane/No Plane debate.

48 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:07:56pm

Anybody that seriously thinks there were planted explosives, etc etc etc in the twin towers has no grip on engineering and construction reality.

—Ojoe, architect.

49 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:08:01pm

On Corsi's individual credibility -

9/11 Troofer Conspiracy supporter
NAU Conspiracy supporter
Amero Conspiracy supporter
Has no problem appearing on racist / fascist program The Political Cesspool (which also hosts racists like David Duke and holocaust deniers like Mark Weber)

That's 4 major strikes as far as I am concerned.

I don't read WND as much as I used to because they provide Corsi with a platform for his conspiracy mongering....and I don't intend on reading his book. I will read Freddoso's as he doesn't have the credibility challenges that Corsi does (that I am aware of).

50 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:08:09pm

re: #13 karmic_inquisitor

In related news, Howard Dean has declared that the GOP is "the White party".

However, outside of the major metropolitan areas, I doubt that the Democrats wants to be known as "the Black party".
Bradley Effect anyone?

51 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:08:25pm

re: #39 lawhawk

I agree- I don't need this or any other book to validate my opinion of obama. What has come out of obama's own mouth is enough to convince me he's not the man to lead this nation.

52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:08:37pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

All of these books are bullshit. Mikey Moore is just as full of shit as Jerome Corsi. These books are designed to fleece the faithful. I think it's best to not feed the beast.

True. I figured I had already heard most of Corsi's arguements thru my own research anyways. I dont waste my money of any of those kinds of books. I waste my money on Sci-Fi and history books.

53 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:08:51pm

re: #48 Ojoe

Anybody that seriously thinks there were planted explosives, etc etc etc in the twin towers has no grip on engineering and construction reality.

—Ojoe, architect.

Or Class D fires (jet fuel).

54 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:10:03pm

re: #42 lawhawk

Actually, the first person to sense it was a trap was Lando.

Perhaps, but it's all in the presentation. That's why Ackbar gets the laurels.

55 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:10:15pm

re: #35 taxfreekiller

No TFK, but for John O'Neill and the other Swift Boat vets. Corsi only told their story....using their facts.....that Kerry couldn't or wouldn't refute using his full and open military records. That combined with his Winter Soldier actions contrasted completely with his attempt to "Report for duty" and run on his military record.

56 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:10:29pm

On the other hand, all of Queen Elizabeth's dogs are Corsis, so they can't be all bad.

57 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:11:05pm

re: #32 karmic_inquisitor

[Link: www.enquirerherald.com...]

Looks like Chavez has "proof" that the US orchestrated the crisis in Georgia, though he can't share that "proof."

Aha, so we somehow tricked Russia into invading and carpet-bombing... damn those tricksy yanquis!

58 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:11:09pm

re: #46 Cognito

No surprise there, really.

Sometimes I worry that we're sinking into what I'll call the New Dark Ages, where people will give credence to any thought, any voodoo, any mumbo jumbo, and have no faith in logic or fact.

It would help if our higher education system restored logic and math into core curricula rather than having discarded them to make room for softer subjects.

We have many people with degrees who will tell you "I don't do math" and many more who will tell you how important feelings are.

When Academia rejected rationality to embrace "justice" it did great damage to society. I'd argue that your best path to justice is through rationality.

59 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:11:13pm

re: #56 Silhouette

Umm, you mean Corgi's don't you?

60 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:11:58pm

Like many have said before, I don't need this book to figure out that Obama is bad for the USA. Very dismayed that Corsi is a troofer. I had no idea.

61 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:12:11pm

re: #35 taxfreekiller

But for Corsi, you would be watching John F. Kerry sign all the former Russian republics back over to Putin this day.

so fickle

Ah, no. As I recall, O'Neill did most of the facts, Corsi wrote it up so that it was readable.

So it's not being fickle at all; Dr. Corsi has been saying things that make some of us very uneasy about his good sense and judgment.

62 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:12:22pm

re: #44 vapig

What's it take for a thuggish dictator to get a little attention from the US in this world?

63 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:12:28pm

re: #49 Athos

NAU Conspiracy supporter
Amero Conspiracy supporter

= "North American Union" and alleged "Amero" currency that will replace the dollar? Am I right?

64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:13:02pm

re: #62 Silhouette

What's it take for a thuggish dictator to get a little attention from the US in this world?

Invade your neighbors.

65 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:13:45pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Interesting view.

66 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:13:59pm

re: #48 Ojoe

Anybody that seriously thinks there were planted explosives, etc etc etc in the twin towers has no grip on engineering and construction reality.

—Ojoe, architect.

Have you heard their latest theory that the explosives were actually put in during WTC construction (in 1970?). That Bush is soooooooooo patient.

67 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:00pm

re: #63 Occasional Reader

Yes. I could have also added about the superhighway BS - but that's tied into the NAU and Amero conspiracies.

68 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:13pm

If I were Obama's campaign manager, I would simply put some quotes from this book next to some of the more outrageous troofer quotes and toggle them back and forth. I am sure they have thought of it already.

69 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:21pm

I am off. Have a wonderful weekend all.

Peace out.

70 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:22pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shack up with Shehan?

71 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:38pm

re: #45 Golem Akbar

Racist? What?

72 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:53pm
73 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:59pm

re: #62 Silhouette

What's it take for a thuggish dictator to get a little attention from the US in this world?

I guess it just shows that all the attention he got before was due to slow news days.

74 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:59pm

re: #63 Occasional Reader

= "North American Union" and alleged "Amero" currency that will replace the dollar? Am I right?

Yes.

75 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:15:10pm

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I waste my money on Sci-Fi and history books.

Money well spent.

76 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:15:12pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don't give Chavez any ideas. I'll bet he's watching the Georgia events and our election with an eye towards future adventurism.

77 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:15:50pm

re: #67 Athos

Yes. I could have also added about the superhighway BS - but that's tied into the NAU and Amero conspiracies.

Unfortunately, we have people right here at LGF who buy into all of that. (Maybe not so many as we used to, though.)

78 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:16:07pm

This book will knock Georgia right off your screens.

79 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:16:09pm

re: #66 Silhouette

Have you heard their latest theory that the explosives were actually put in during WTC construction (in 1970?). That Bush is soooooooooo patient.

Besides the "Oh Brother!" wouldn't they have degraded after 30 years?

80 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:16:16pm

re: #66 Silhouette

That's about as intelligent as claiming a document that was supposedly forged in December 2003 was used to justify the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

I wish the LLL's would make up their mind about Dubya being either the dumbest President of all time or so smart and farseeing, that he can plan these things in advance.....particularly while he was trying to dodge flying F102's for the TANG......

81 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:16:27pm

re: #49 Athos

He appeared on Political Cesspool?! I had no idea!

82 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:16:36pm

re: #76 Iron Fist

Don't give Chavez any ideas. I'll bet he's watching the Georgia events and our election with an eye towards future adventurism.

He's been eyeing Aruba and Guyana for some time now.

83 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:16:47pm

For one thing, the Canucks and Mexicans would throw fits if we tried to name the currency "Amero"!

84 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:17:17pm

re: #72 Ben Hur

Oy to the Vey!

85 kansas  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:17:20pm

This really sucks. So last night I buy Corsi's book only to find out today, before I even open it, the guy might be nuts. I thought his Kerry book was reasonable. I also got Freddoso's book and read the first chapter last night. That pretty much said Obama is just a Chicago pol. Think I'll read Corsi anyway. Bambi's defense seems to be pretty much the "Liar liar pants on fire" defense. Corsi might be nuts. Then again, what if he's right?

86 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:18:15pm

re: #79 vapig

Besides the "Oh Brother!" wouldn't they have degraded after 30 years?

Not to mention, nobody noticed them. "Hey Fred, did you ever notice how when you move your booskhelf in your office, you can see these plastic-wrapped blocks behind it marked 'C-4'?"

"Yeah, what the heck's that all about?"

"Ah, who cares. Lunch?"

87 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:18:16pm

re: #48 Ojoe

Anybody that seriously thinks there were planted explosives, etc etc etc in the twin towers has no grip on engineering and construction reality.

—Ojoe, architect.

The truthers were bewildered about how the beams from the WTC all fit on the trucks that carried them away. Conspiracy!

88 nikis-knight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:18:33pm

re: #26 Sharmuta

I think the fact this book debuted at number one goes to show there is an overwhelming demand for the non-msm spin concerning obama. That the author is a troofer, however, is damaging not only to his own credibility, but to anyone parroting his arguments.

Ironically, perhaps, not to many die-hard Obama boosters, who may take that as cause to listen to the arguements.
Although it you try to pit their Bush distrust against their Obama hope, their little tin-foil encased heads may pop.

89 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:18:36pm

re: #78 Ben Hur

This book will knock Georgia right off your screens.

Yes - the intrepid defenders of justice (Democrats) will battle the smear mongering, underhanded, biggoted White party (Republicans) in their epic struggle to restore truth, justice and the socialist way in Washington!

/

90 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:18:38pm

< re: #77 Occasional Reader

Superhighway? What's that about?

91 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:18:42pm

OR,

Somewhere, Admiral Ackbar is smiling. Or... well, whatever it is that his species does.

A truly great man fish-like creature.

Ackbar Akbar!

93 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:18:52pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Invade your neighbors.

The son of a friend just returned from a summer in Bolivia. He told that the populace blocked the airport to keep Chavez from landing. Clearly, they are none to happy with Chavez making Boliva's Evo his leetle protegee.

Which is kinda like Chavez invading a neighbor, only from the top down.

94 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:18:55pm

re: #82 Spiny Norman

He's been eyeing Aruba and Guyana for some time now.

He can have Guyana.

Aruba, we'll fight for.

95 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:19:00pm

re: #66 Silhouette

Have you heard their latest theory that the explosives were actually put in during WTC construction (in 1970?). That Bush is soooooooooo patient.

They don't know much about explosives.

96 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:19:22pm

re: #66 Silhouette

Yeah I heard that.

97 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:19:40pm

re: #63 Occasional Reader

= "North American Union" and alleged "Amero" currency that will replace the dollar? Am I right?

Right.

/put up a thread on it and watch the LGF true believers crawl out of the woodwork

98 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:19:49pm

re: #79 vapig

Besides the "Oh Brother!" wouldn't they have degraded after 30 years?

Bush and Cheney have access to special super explosives. They keep them in a warehouse next to the machine that makes hurricanes.

99 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:20:24pm

re: #10 Cognito

Great thread, Charles.

There are many people, it seems, who are willing to pick through the chaff in search of some stray wheat, in this guy's work. Unfortunately the chaff is toxic.

We don't need this guy to tell us about Obama's failings. Better men can do it.

Not only that it poisons the well.

We bring up, issue xyz, which Corsi also covers. To make the issue stick we have to re-source the issue which waste time etc.... The argument will be "Oh, yeah, that's one of Corsi's points" which leaves us having to do work arounds.

100 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:20:45pm

re: #98 Silhouette

Bush and Cheney have access to special super explosives. They keep them in a warehouse next to the machine that makes hurricanes.

And the laser beam that makes bridges in Minneapolis fall down.

101 Opinionated  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:20:48pm

A 9-11 Troofer who is also anti Islam and pro McCain? There is some cognitive dissonance there.

Seems like one very confused guy.

Or there is a method to his madness. Immorally, he just sells controversy and doesn't care about the point of view.

102 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:20:52pm

Since I despise "Truthers" (I was down at Ground Zero last 9/11 watching their despicable behavior, which enraged the families of the 9/11 victims), I can't defend Corsi on this score.

His book is heavily footnoted nonetheless, which makes fact-checking easy. If those facts are wrong, Obama has the resources to refute them. If Corsi's book is a best-seller, is damaging Obama, and is fundamentally truthful and accurate, I'm not going to disparage it.

So far, Obama has refuted only trivial mistakes. Where's the beef, Obama?

103 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:21:07pm

re: #90 WriterMom

<

Superhighway? What's that about?

To answer your question, here's... RON PAUL!

104 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:21:18pm

re: #40 Honorary Yooper

Evidence that the book actually affected the election?

Kerry did most of the worst damage to himself by himself.

Yes, I believe that the book, AND the publicity it generated, influenced enough votes to turn the election. Maybe not the electoral vote, but perhaps the popular vote. And who wanted another election where the Dem won the popular vote and the Rep won the electoral vote?

105 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:21:30pm
106 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:22:02pm

re: #92 Athos

Thank you. I'll have a look.

107 wiffersnapper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:22:10pm

www.debunking911.com

Glad I waited on this book. Back to learning Russian.

108 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:22:22pm

re: #93 Silhouette

The son of a friend just returned from a summer in Bolivia. He told that the populace blocked the airport to keep Chavez from landing. Clearly, they are none to happy with Chavez making Boliva's Evo his leetle protegee.

Which is kinda like Chavez invading a neighbor, only from the top down.

WOW! And of course we heard none of this!

109 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:22:24pm

Obama's "grass roots Christian" organization has a cute little website all of their own.

110 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:22:30pm

re: #102 quickjustice

ahhhh.....The 700 footnotes.

"Out of context" will be the battle cry.

111 Quilly Mammoth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:22:45pm

The devil's in the details with Corsi. He footnote's and quotes a great number of people in his writing. Looks real scholarly. But if you leave certain things out it changes what really happened. Corsi, and others like him, have made a mantra recently of "avoiding foreign entanglements". Many have heard it form Corsi , Ron Paul and others. And George Washington _did_ say it. However, he said it context of French Agents active in America, spending lots of money and working hard to shift public opinion to an alliance with France against Great Britain. Which would have been a disaster for us as we had no real Army at the time and would have been a huge benefit for France.

John O'Neil worked very hard to keep Unfit for Command focused on matters that were mostly public record. He worked to avoid making claims that were circumstantial evidence at best of cabals and plots.

It's often not what you report, but rather what you leave out. Which is how the Troofers operate. And Corsi is a conspiracy Troofer indeed.

112 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:22:52pm

Trump to buy McMahon's home, let him live there

Donald Trump will soon be Ed McMahon's landlord. Trump announced Thursday he would save the television personality's Beverly Hills mansion from foreclosure by buying it for an undisclosed amount and leasing it to McMahon.

The developer told the Los Angeles Times he doesn't know McMahon personally, but acted out of compassion because helping out "would be an honor."

/you go comb over king!

113 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:22:55pm

re: #98 Silhouette

Bush and Cheney have access to special super explosives. They keep them in a warehouse next to the machine that makes hurricanes.

And tsunamis?

114 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:23:03pm

re: #103 Occasional Reader

GAAAAAAAAAA

115 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:23:05pm

re: #99 jcm

Not only that it poisons the well.

We bring up, issue xyz, which Corsi also covers. To make the issue stick we have to re-source the issue which waste time etc.... The argument will be "Oh, yeah, that's one of Corsi's points" which leaves us having to do work arounds.

Exactly.

116 Maine's Michael  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:23:32pm

re: #101 Opinionated

A 9-11 Troofer who is also anti Islam and pro McCain? There is some cognitive dissonance there.

Seems like one very confused guy.

Or there is a method to his madness. Immorally, he just sells controversy and doesn't care about the point of view.

I don't know that he's any more confused than Bush.

Bush thinks Cheney did 9-11. Condi keeps telling him that, except she works the Mossad into the story as well.

117 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:23:48pm

re: #90 WriterMom

<

Superhighway? What's that about?


It takes different forms depending on the truth speaker describing it, but it is a north south multilane freeway with very few on ramps and off ramps that would be cut right through America's heartland in order to move goods and armies between Canada and Mexico.

Different versions have the highway being elevated and surrounded by barbed wire so that the aboriginals of the heartland (eg Kansans) would not be able to attack it or use it in any way.

All part of a great conspircay to rob us of our wealth, freedom and dignity.

118 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:23:52pm

re: #103 Occasional Reader

To answer your question, here's... RON PAUL!

They've taken the Trans-Texas Corridor a real project, and spun it into a conspiracy.

119 Charles  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:23:54pm

re: #49 Athos

Has no problem appearing on racist / fascist program The Political Cesspool (which also hosts racists like David Duke and holocaust deniers like Mark Weber)

Blech. I didn't know he appeared on that show. That does it for me.

120 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:24:04pm

re: #46 Cognito

No surprise there, really.

Sometimes I worry that we're sinking into what I'll call the New Dark Ages, where people will give credence to any thought, any voodoo, any mumbo jumbo, and have no faith in logic or fact.

Find me a time when that was different.

121 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:24:16pm

re: #105 WriterMom

OT: More Olympic Fakes.

Fake Minority Children at Olympic Ceremony.

Ha!

122 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:24:17pm

re: #90 WriterMom
From WorldNetDaily - hyping a video with Corsi humping the conspiracy theories.

Of course, Corsi and WND take credit for thusfar preventing the NAU or Amero from taking hold.

123 kansas  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:24:37pm

I found the 9/11 truther video to most unreliable. Did Corsi ever say anything? I didn't get sound in my link.

124 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:24:39pm

re: #101 Opinionated

Amorally, not immorally.

Though perhaps it is immoral.

125 Land Shark  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:24:50pm

Corsi's a 9/11 troofer? That's very dismaying. Drops any credibility the book has right through the floor. Even if all he says in the Obama book is a stone cold fact, it's hard to ignore the author's grotesque stupidy in believing that crap.

126 kansas  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:25:33pm

re: #119 Charles

Blech. I didn't know he appeared on that show. That does it for me.


Charles. Is this guilt by association. Has Corsi really done these things, or is it part of an attack to discredit him?

127 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:25:34pm

re: #105 WriterMom

OT: More Olympic Fakes.

Fake Minority Children at Olympic Ceremony.

If China's aim was to make the world think better of them, they are failing.

Most people I know don't pay much attention to the news, but everybody's talking about the lip-synching little girl because the other was deemed not cute enough and the fake fireworks.

128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:25:56pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Money well spent.

Currently reading the Horus Heresy on the one front and just finished "Grant and Sherman : The Friendship That Won the Civil War" and "Island of the Lost: Shipwrecked at the Edge of the World"

129 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:26:00pm

re: #105 WriterMom

OT: More Olympic Fakes.

Fake Minority Children at Olympic Ceremony.

" It was perfectly traditional in China for performers to dress up to represent ethnic minorities, he added.


I get the feeling that that is going to be their answer to everything.

It's perfectly traditional in China to torture dissidents.

130 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:26:04pm

re: #120 Son of the Black Dog

Find me a time when that was different.

Surely you're not arguing that throughout history there haven't been waves of good and bad thinking.

131 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:26:10pm

I tend to pay little attention to "reputations" - all too often they can be just rumours. And I think in the case of the particularly political book, I would want to judge the book by what is between the covers, rather than the name ON the cover.

132 Maine's Michael  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:26:13pm

But what does Sean Hannity say?

/just kidding. As if anything the Buchanan asslick says has any weight.

133 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:26:21pm

Group tied to al-Qaida backs McCain for prez

By Jerome R. Corsi

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain has enjoyed strong support from a lobbyist group that backs the Kosovo Liberation Army despite allegations the KLA is a Muslim terrorist group with ties to criminal drug networks and al-Qaida.

The Albanian American Civic League, or AACL, regards the KLA as "freedom fighters," said the AACL's president, former Republican congressman Joe DioGuardi of New York.

They're "not terrorist, like the Serbs and Greeks say," DioGuardi insisted in an interview with WND.

But Islam expert Robert Spencer, editor of the popular website Jihad Watch, contends radical Islam is the driving force behind the Kosovo independence movement.

"There is no excusing the excesses of the Serbs under (former President Slobodan) Milosevic, but there is no denying also that jihadists have been pouring into Bosnia and Kosovo, preparing to use them as a base for jihad activity in Europe – and we have been helping them," Spencer told WND.

Just sayin'

134 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:26:25pm

re: #101 Opinionated

Political views are not about logic. It's all about morality & psychology. Corsi is a raving paranoid who knows how to make a buck and doesn't care what lies he says to do it.

135 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:26:56pm

re: #103 Occasional Reader

To answer your question, here's... RON PAUL!

Oh, that. There's someone here on LGF who rails against it. It's a load of BS, IMHO.

Now, there are real NAFTA Superhighways:

Interstate 69
Interstate 35
Trans-Texas Corridor

The last one is the one Ron Paul bitches about.

136 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:27:07pm

re: #122 Athos

OMG. Is that work safe? When I see "humping" and "video", you can understand my reticence.

Click-icence?

137 Maine's Michael  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:27:36pm

re: #136 WriterMom

There you go again.

Vixen.

138 seekeroftruth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:28:03pm

I like what Hannity just said - " If only the media would vet Obama the way they are Corsi."

139 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:28:32pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

You're asking for it.

The one that's been strangely silent of Russia and Georgia will show up and DESTROY YOU!

140 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:28:38pm

re: #90 WriterMom

There are people like Corsi who believe that NAFTA is a conspiracy to destroy America and replace it with a North American Union.

141 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:28:50pm

re: #123 kansas

Yes, he did. It went on from about 1 minute in. It was pretty disturbing.

142 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:29:11pm

re: #135 Honorary Yooper

Now, there are real NAFTA Superhighways:

"Interstate 69" must be related to that "giant sucking sound" Ross Perot was complaining about.

143 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:29:46pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Well, well-that's really a well thought out conspiracy then.

Look-if that means I get access to Fileen's Basement and Bloomingdales, then I say BUILD THE DAMNED THING ALREADY.

144 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:29:47pm

re: #139 Ben Hur

I can't believe he follows my comments so closely. I think he must have moles who send him email alerts.

145 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:29:54pm

re: #102 quickjustice

Since I despise "Truthers" (I was down at Ground Zero last 9/11 watching their despicable behavior, which enraged the families of the 9/11 victims), I can't defend Corsi on this score.

His book is heavily footnoted nonetheless, which makes fact-checking easy. If those facts are wrong, Obama has the resources to refute them. If Corsi's book is a best-seller, is damaging Obama, and is fundamentally truthful and accurate, I'm not going to disparage it.

So far, Obama has refuted only trivial mistakes. Where's the beef, Obama?

If he had any more refutations to put forth than those trivial mistakes, he would have already brought those out. He didn't refute much, because there isn't much to refute.

And he should have taken John McCain's excellent advice and learned to laugh. This 41 page, way the hell over the top "refutation" is a huge distraction that is going to haunt him - and hurt him badly. With at least two more books coming down the pike, sitting at #2 and #5.

146 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:29:55pm

re: #126 kansas

Look at Athos' link. It's to the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the writing's annoying, but it's well-sourced.

Sorry.

147 jamgarr  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:30:15pm

re: #14 Ward Cleaver

It will be a race between Corsi's attacks on Obama versus the left's attacks on Corsi, to see which has more impact between now and November 4th. Could get interesting.

Definitely interesting. Let the aspersions fall where they may.

148 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:30:23pm

re: #126 kansas

Is it guilt by association when Charles and many on this site refuse to acknowledge, support, and or accept the Eurofascists who seek to use the fight against global jihadism to gain respectability that they cannot gain via any other means?

Corsi could have said no about appearing on that vile program. But he didn't. And, according to Screw Loose Change, he's appearing on there again Sunday. That reflects, IMO, extremely bad judgment and makes me wonder of some kind of sympathy to those points of view.

On that basis he's compromised....just as Obama is compromised because of Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Dohrn, etc.

149 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:30:33pm

World's oldest mother shows off twins

Omkari Panwar and her husband Charan Singh Panwar, 77, from Uttar Pradesh, North India, underwent IVF in a last-ditch attempt to produce a male heir to take over the family's smallholdings, because daughters are not allowed to inherit property in the country.

Written as if they were talking about a walk in the park.

I didn't know this about DEMOCRATIC India.

Did you?

Dyou?

Jew?

150 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:30:35pm

I read that Corsi works for World Net Daily.

Isn't WND the site that presented the recent creationist vs. university entrance qualifications lawsuit as an attack on Christianity? (The link with 40+ comments, LOL.)

151 Charles  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:30:44pm

It's true. Corsi is going on the Political Cesspool this Sunday.

[Link: www.google.com...]

152 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:31:00pm

re: #141 Dianna

Yes, he did. It went on from about 1 minute in. It was pretty disturbing.

I am having to take their word for it that that's Corsi's voice; that's my only hesitation here.

153 Charles  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:31:20pm

re: #150 Josephine

I read that Corsi works for World Net Daily.

Isn't WND the site that presented the recent creationist vs. university entrance qualifications lawsuit as an attack on Christianity? (The link with 40+ comments, LOL.)

Yes.

154 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:31:21pm

re: #143 WriterMom

As long as you guys keep those beer and bacon trucks moving I have no problem.

155 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:31:49pm

re: #150 Josephine

Did you get my note about lunch?

156 Quilly Mammoth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:31:54pm

re: #117 karmic_inquisitor

It takes different forms depending on the truth speaker describing it, but it is a north south multilane freeway with very few on ramps and off ramps that would be cut right through America's heartland in order to move goods and armies between Canada and Mexico.

And the great thing is that it already exists! It's called I-35 and the actions and activity that Corsi misquotes are essentially means of setting up a duty free exchange corridor along I-35. Much of the talk on this by serious people is enforcement related....which Corsi morphs into yet another cabal of people trying to carve out a section of the United States.

We have duty free shops in every airport serving a foreign country in America. It doesn't make them not under US sovereignty, just free of custom laws.

157 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:32:06pm

re: #151 Charles

Wow. That's just sad.

158 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:32:23pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Curiously, in front of some audiences, Obama's one of them.

159 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:32:44pm

re: #142 Occasional Reader

"Interstate 69" must be related to that "giant sucking sound" Ross Perot was complaining about.

LOL!

I can see the need for the highway, but I really disagree with the number due more in part to AASHTO numbering rules than anything else.

160 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:32:51pm

re: #110 Ben Hur

You're right, of course. Will Corsi's footnotes and sources stand up to close scrutiny? We'll see.

On the other hand, it's great to force Obama to debate these points, especially if they're accurate.

161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:32:59pm

re: #151 Charles

It's true. Corsi is going the Political Cesspool this Sunday.

[Link: www.google.com...]

He also is a guest on Micheal Savage quiet a bit.

162 Opinionated  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:33:00pm

re: #134 Kenneth

Political views are not about logic. It's all about morality & psychology.

Not completely true.

At their core our politics come from our psychology- if you define psychology as the sum of our upbringing and environment.

But those impulses are modified by what is logical to form our political opinions. At least among those of us who are sane (See Buchanan for an example of someone not sane where his psychological biases overwhelm logic.)

163 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:33:05pm

re: #142 Occasional Reader

"Interstate 69" must be related to that "giant sucking sound" Ross Perot was complaining about.

NO UPDINGS FOR THAT?! NONE?!

164 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:33:14pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Who'd you annoy this time? Anyone fun?

165 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:33:20pm

Video: Russian soldier shooting Israeli journalists; Update: Open season on reporters?

Do me a favor, LOOK AT THEIR "SOLDIERS."


THat's a professional soldier?

166 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:33:42pm

re: #148 Athos

Is it guilt by association when Charles and many on this site refuse to acknowledge, support, and or accept the Eurofascists who seek to use the fight against global jihadism to gain respectability that they cannot gain via any other means?

Corsi could have said no about appearing on that vile program. But he didn't. And, according to Screw Loose Change, he's appearing on there again Sunday. That reflects, IMO, extremely bad judgment and makes me wonder of some kind of sympathy to those points of view.

On that basis he's compromised....just as Obama is compromised because of Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Dohrn, etc.

But Corsi is not running for President of the United States of America. Obama is.

167 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:33:59pm

re: #68 rawmuse

If I were Obama's campaign manager, I would simply put some quotes from this book next to some of the more outrageous troofer quotes and toggle them back and forth. I am sure they have thought of it already.

Close to a 1/4 of the US population believes there is some truth to the troofers. Since the country is split 50-50 and most truther's lean left, that means that 1/2 the democratic dupport comes from troofers. So following this plan would piss off his base.

168 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:34:22pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

NO UPDINGS FOR THAT?! NONE?!

No, but you got a reply at #159.

Will that do ya? ;-)

169 Sol Roth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:34:36pm

re: #149 Ben Hur

World's oldest mother shows off twins

Written as if they were talking about a walk in the park.

I didn't know this about DEMOCRATIC India.

Did you?

Dyou?

Jew?

IIRC, India sided with the USSR in the Cold War. Hard to put the Crackpipe of Communism down, isn't it.

170 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:34:41pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Since you begged.

171 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:34:42pm

re: #149 Ben Hur

Fucking disgusting primitives.

The elderly couple, who already have two daughters in their thirties, and five grandchildren, were left near destitute after mortgaging their land, selling their buffalo and taking out a loan for the £4,400 fertility treatment, and are surviving on handouts from friends.

They had to sell their BUFFALO. What a sacrifice. So nice that they probably won't live to see their kids 10th birthday...but HEY. Whatever.

172 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:34:55pm

re: #136 WriterMom

It's not the video - just an article from the site that is selling (I used the term humping - probably not the best choice of words) the video. Here's the meme:


In this brand-new video, Corsi, a staff reporter for WND, offers convincing evidence the Security and Prosperity Partnership is laying the groundwork for the unthinkable – a merger of the U.S., Mexico and Canada into a European Union-type "North American Union," complete with a shared judiciary, open borders and a new currency designed to replace the dollar – the amero.

In The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada," Corsi showed how a bureaucratically entrenched army of "world citizens" is working tirelessly toward this EU-like merger. In the brave new world they envision, the U.S. will no longer be a sovereign nation, but a market designed for maximum economic exploitation by multinational corporations and foreign governments, regardless what American citizens want.

In the video, Corsi explains:

How globalist business leaders and taxpayer-funded academics are deliberately side-stepping the Constitution – and Congress – in order to submerge the U.S. into a regional government.

How the state of Texas is seizing millions of acres of privately owned land so that foreign investors can cash in on a NAFTA “superhighway” from Mexico to the Canadian border.

How China, through its proxies in Mexico, plans to bring the world’s sole superpower to its knees economically – without firing a shot.
The North American Union would not just be the end of America as we know it, explains Corsi, but the beginning of an EU-like nightmare – a bureaucratic coup d'etat foisted upon millions of American citizens without their knowledge or consent.

The Security and Prosperity Partnership is not just unconstitutional, says the best-selling author, but an act of treason committed at the highest levels, one that must be stopped before the U.S.A., as a free and sovereign nation fades into history.

If you have the time / effort to weed through the stuff on WND by Corsi, it is an eye opener over how paranoid this guy is and the leaps that are needed to fit a few facts into the conspiracy. (Like every good conspiracy, there are a few facts strategically emplaced to provide fodder for the conspiracy.)

173 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:35:09pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

I was gonna give ya a big EWWWWWWWWWWWWW, but I didn't want to be the only one!

174 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:35:14pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

As long as you guys keep those beer and bacon trucks moving I have no problem.

Unfortunately, the part routed through Texas has been shown to be much less of a conspiracy than a plain old land and money grab by special interests and their pet politicians.

The "right-of-way" that was to be condemned for this monstrosity was enormous, and much of it was to be parceled out to new private owners for personal enrichment.

175 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:35:19pm
It was perfectly traditional in China for performers to dress up to represent ethnic minorities, he added.

Then I guess they have no problem with the Spanish basketball team's representation of an ethnic group not of their own?

176 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:35:31pm

re: #152 Occasional Reader

It sounded like him.

177 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:35:40pm

re: #170 Ben Hur

MERCY DING!

178 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:35:48pm

re: #159 Honorary Yooper

LOL!

I can see the need for the highway, but I really disagree with the number due more in part to AASHTO numbering rules than anything else.

There actually IS a Route 69 It's 1100 + miles right down the middle of the country!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

179 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:35:52pm

re: #112 Killian Bundy

Trump to buy McMahon's home, let him live there

/you go comb over king!

Did Ed McMahon spent all his money on magazine subscriptions?

180 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:36:00pm

re: #175 Silhouette

Then I guess they have no problem with the Spanish basketball team's representation of an ethnic group not of their own?

Border line genius, that.

181 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:36:01pm

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

182 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:36:12pm

re: #165 Ben Hur

Video: Russian soldier shooting Israeli journalists; Update: Open season on reporters?

Do me a favor, LOOK AT THEIR "SOLDIERS."


THat's a professional soldier?

I am not, by any means, a cheerleader for the idea of us getting into a shooting war with the Russians.

But the idea of these brutish clowns suddenly facing a Ranger battalion is kind of fun to think about, in a way.

183 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:36:49pm

re: #146 Dianna

Southern Poverty Law Center isn't exactly what you'd call unbiased. They're so left-wing they probably think Vlad Lenin is a member of the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy.

184 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:36:52pm

re: #182 Occasional Reader

I am not, by any means, a cheerleader for the idea of us getting into a shooting war with the Russians.

But the idea of these brutish clowns suddenly facing a Ranger battalion is kind of fun to think about, in a way.


Where are the Democrats demanding that Putin get their soldiers BODY ARMOR?!?!?!?!?

185 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:37:15pm

re: #179 Son of the Black Dog

Did Ed McMahon spent all his money on magazine subscriptions?

you and many others never paid for theirs. Thats why he's in trouble. he had to make good on all of those !

186 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:37:29pm

re: #35 taxfreekiller

But for Corsi, you would be watching John F. Kerry sign all the former Russian republics back over to Putin this day.

so fickle

But for my psycho ex-gf, I would not have gotten as much nookie as I did back then. She seemed like a nice, stable gal when we first started dating, but when the relationship got serious she let loose with all the crazy. Hard to stay with a gal who says she loves you, than throws a large metal ashtray at your head.

You can call it fickle, if you like, but I prefer to call it re-evaluating a person's character.

187 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:37:46pm

re: #180 Ben Hur

Border line?! ;-)

188 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:37:48pm

re: #170 Ben Hur

Since you begged.

I've become an Upding Whore. I admit it.

189 jamgarr  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:38:08pm

Never before in the history of the world has Barak stopped snorting coke.

190 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:38:18pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

NO UPDINGS FOR THAT?! NONE?!

No, but Stinky is slapping his stick in his palm glaring at you.

191 nikis-knight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:38:53pm

re: #171 WriterMom

Hmmm.... I wonder if Buffalo have ever been sold to pay for In-vitro fertilization treatments before? Probably, but it still strikes me as humoursly anachronistic.

192 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:39:40pm

re: #184 Ben Hur

Where are the Democrats demanding that Putin get their soldiers BODY ARMOR?!?!?!?!?

In Gulag, silly boy.

193 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:39:49pm

re: #175 Silhouette

Then I guess they have no problem with the Spanish basketball team's representation of an ethnic group not of their own?

Actually, it seems they don't. From what I've seen of it from Taranto, it's Asian-Americans that are actually doing all the carping about that photo.

194 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:40:02pm

re: #13 karmic_inquisitor

In related news, Howard Dean has declared that the GOP is "the White party".

Link please.

195 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:40:08pm
196 Quilly Mammoth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:40:42pm

re: #191 nikis-knight

Hmmm.... I wonder if Buffalo have ever been sold to pay for In-vitro fertilization treatments before? Probably, but it still strikes me as humoursly anachronistic.

And the city never got over it.

197 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:41:44pm

re: #151 Charles

It's true. Corsi is going the Political Cesspool this Sunday.

[Link: www.google.com...]

You didn't expect the Bonkey hit parade to just lie back and enjoy this, did you?

/for this they'll unleash their most vicious, rabid attack dogs to protest too much, if the man of the freakishly large nostrils wasn't on vacation, there'd be a Congressional hearing

198 hepcat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:41:52pm

re: #5 Ford_Prefect

That kind of support McCain can do without.


However Hillary stands to gain from this book.

199 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:41:56pm

re: #187 Silhouette

Border line?! ;-)


Only because you thought of it before I did.

200 irongrampa  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:42:03pm

re: #184 Ben Hur

By no means are those Russians professional. They're merely partially trained thugs with weapons.

A serious encounter with REAL soldiers would leave them and their equipment in ruins.
The above statements brought to you from a REAL vet.

201 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:42:10pm

re: #130 Cognito

Surely you're not arguing that throughout history there haven't been waves of good and bad thinking.

No, I arguing that there is always a significant percentage of the population, of even the most advanced countries, that will believe in (UFO's, various conspiracies, Father Coughlin types, etc. - take your pick.)

202 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:42:15pm

And in a bit of related humor, some Democrats are positing John Kerry as Obama's VP.

That's right. John Kerry.

The same John Kerry who actually entertained the idea of putting John McCain as his running mate. The same John Kerry who was the epitome of flip-flop (Merriam Webster has a bronze bust of Kerry next to the definition in their dictionary).

The same Kerry whose anti-American leftist nonsense after he came back from Vietnam stabbed his fellow members of the US Armed Forces in the back, including John McCain.

The same Kerry who sought to cut intel, military budgets, and raise taxes time and time again.

The same Kerry who lost to George Bush in 2004 despite everything and the kitchen sink thrown against Bush including a media that played favorites and looked the other way as they foisted up bogus documents to claim that Bush didn't serve fully or honorably.

The same Kerry who showed tremendous disdain for our troops serving in Iraq (Halp me Jon Cary... you're our only hope).

Yes, that John Kerry.

203 Pyrocles  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:42:30pm

My father believes in all that North American Union crap... Holidays are lovely, with MSNBC and Olbermann spewing in the background with China's domination of the US because of Wal-Mart and the imminent creation of the NAU being discussed among relatives. /sigh.

He used to be a Republican when he owned his own business, but has turned into a loony leftist since becoming a UAW and now AARP member.

re: #172 Athos

204 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:42:33pm

re: #172 Athos

If he really thinks that, why hasn't he headed for the hills, purchased a subsistence farm, gotten off-grid, and loaded up on ammo? If I believed that stuff, that's what I'd do.

205 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:43:18pm

re: #202 lawhawk

And in a bit of related humor, some Democrats are positing John Kerry as Obama's VP.

That's right. John Kerry.

The same John Kerry who actually entertained the idea of putting John McCain as his running mate. The same John Kerry who was the epitome of flip-flop (Merriam Webster has a bronze bust of Kerry next to the definition in their dictionary).

The same Kerry whose anti-American leftist nonsense after he came back from Vietnam stabbed his fellow members of the US Armed Forces in the back, including John McCain.

The same Kerry who sought to cut intel, military budgets, and raise taxes time and time again.

The same Kerry who lost to George Bush in 2004 despite everything and the kitchen sink thrown against Bush including a media that played favorites and looked the other way as they foisted up bogus documents to claim that Bush didn't serve fully or honorably.

The same Kerry who showed tremendous disdain for our troops serving in Iraq (Halp me Jon Cary... you're our only hope).

Yes, that John Kerry.


I would personally send the Baruch campaign $100 if he does.

206 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:43:20pm

re: #174 OldLineTexan

The history of the railroads, redux?

207 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:43:28pm

re: #164 Dianna

Robert Spencer doesn't like me much.

208 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:43:46pm

re: #188 Occasional Reader

I've become an Upding Whore. I admit it.

How about some Winky Dinky Ho Cake? (Ho Cake starts at the 2 minute point)

209 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:43:47pm

re: #202 lawhawk

Go for it! Obama/Kerry! Yes!

210 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:44:03pm

re: #197 Killian Bundy

You didn't expect the Bonkey hit parade to just lie back and enjoy this, did you?

/for this they'll unleash their most vicious, rabid attack dogs to protest too much, if the man of the freakishly large nostrils wasn't on vacation, there'd be a Congressional hearing

Waxman had his nostrils surgically widened in an attempt to get more oxygen to his scalp hoping for a hair-growth spurt

211 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:44:34pm

re: #194 IslandLibertarian


In related news, Howard Dean has declared that the GOP is "the White party".

Link please.


[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

212 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:04pm

re: #205 Ben Hur

Speaking of cage matches, who you got on the Teresa/Michelle cat fight?

213 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:08pm

re: #202 lawhawk

This John Kerry?

214 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:09pm

re: #183 Iron Fist

Southern Poverty Law Center isn't exactly what you'd call unbiased. They're so left-wing they probably think Vlad Lenin is a member of the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy.

LOL!

Reading it, that's what I was thinking! However, it's solidly sourced. Badly over-the-top writing, and assumes many facts not in evidence, but...unfortunately, this time, they're telling the truth.

And I'm not responsible! It's Athos' link!

215 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:10pm

re: #178 sattv4u2

There actually IS a Route 69 It's 1100 + miles right down the middle of the country!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Entirely different route, as it is US-69, not I-69.

Interestingly enough, if I-69 were extended to Texas, it would violate an AASHTO rule about having US and Interstate routes of the same number in the same state.

216 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:11pm

re: #197 Killian Bundy

You didn't expect the Bonkey hit parade to just lie back and enjoy this, did you?

/for this they'll unleash their most vicious, rabid attack dogs to protest too much, if the man of the freakishly large nostrils wasn't on vacation, there'd be a Congressional hearing

Because air is free!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

Hey!

I'm allowed to say that!

LOL!

217 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:12pm

re: #202 lawhawk

And in a bit of related humor, some Democrats are positing John Kerry as Obama's VP.

Oh please please please please....

218 Quilly Mammoth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:37pm

re: #204 Dianna

If he really thinks that, why hasn't he headed for the hills, purchased a subsistence farm, gotten off-grid, and loaded up on ammo? If I believed that stuff, that's what I'd do.

No, that's for the upcoming Zombie Outbreaks.

219 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:41pm

re: #155 WriterMom

Did you get my note about lunch?

Is there enough for the whole class?

220 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:44pm

re: #202 lawhawk

re: #209 Kenneth

Go for it! Obama/Kerry! Yes!

I wonder if John (effin) Kerry ever spent any time in something organized, like say, the military? You would think if he had, he would have mentioned it at least once !

221 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:48pm

re: #212 Kenneth

Speaking of cage matches, who you got on the Teresa/Michelle cat fight?

Michelle.

But luckily Teresa wouldn't feel a thing.

That chick is sedated.

222 Charles  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:46:01pm

I don't care whether every word in Corsi's book is true. The Political Cesspool is a vile, disgusting radio show, and anyone who appears on it should be shunned by decent people. Period.

The left couldn't have been handed a better tool to discredit critics of Obama if they'd made it up themselves. Disgusting.

223 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:46:24pm

re: #202 lawhawk

We can only hope...

224 Opinionated  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:46:29pm

What do you think of Obama/Gore?

[Link: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...]

225 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:46:54pm

re: #219 debutaunt

Is there enough for the whole class?

I'd settle for just the cocktails

226 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:46:55pm

re: #174 OldLineTexan

There are legitimate concerns and criticisms of NAFTA but I'm a free tade kinda guy so I generally support it. Corsi has conspiracy theories about the 'North American Parliament' which will eventually replace our government. The guy's a nutter.

227 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:47:25pm

re: #224 Opinionated

What do you think of Obama/Gore?

[Link: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...]

The Messiah and The Gaiassiah together on one ticket? Isn't that a bit overwhelming?

228 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:47:55pm

re: #216 Ben Hur

{WHACK}

229 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:48:03pm

re: #222 Charles

Yup, this is a big victory for the Obama camp.

230 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:48:06pm

re: #227 Fat Jolly Penguin

The Messiah and The Gaiassiah together on one ticket? Isn't that a bit overwhelming?

Not to mention it'd be pretty heavy on the VP side of things.

231 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:48:07pm

re: #204 Dianna

If he really thinks that, why hasn't he headed for the hills, purchased a subsistence farm, gotten off-grid, and loaded up on ammo? If I believed that stuff, that's what I'd do.

At least I have one out of four done. ;)

232 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:48:20pm

re: #228 WriterMom

{WHACK}

I thought one of my better ones!

233 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:48:34pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

DioGuardi was my congressman years ago. I had no idea he's since become involved with this group. I like Spencer, and Corsi seems to have been attacking McCain in the context of the GOP primary. He wasn't the only one.

Corsi's attempt to link McCain with an allegedly terrorist, Muslim extremist group clearly failed. I don't believe for a moment that McCain would knowingly associate with such a group. Corsi's efforts as a hatchet man failed in that situation. He seems to be doing much better with this book!

234 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:48:51pm

re: #202 lawhawk

THAT would be amazing. AMAAAAAAAAZING.

235 Opinionated  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:49:01pm

re: #227 Fat Jolly Penguin

The Messiah and The Gaiassiah together on one ticket? Isn't that a bit overwhelming?

Laurel and Hardy

236 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:49:02pm

re: #105 WriterMom

OT: More Olympic Fakes.

Fake Minority Children at Olympic Ceremony.

From the article:

"'I think you are being very meticulous,' he told reporters."

Details, shmetails.

237 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:49:08pm

Corsi is a Obamaist front.

238 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:49:18pm

re: #210 sattv4u2

Waxman had his nostrils surgically widened in an attempt to get more oxygen to his scalp hoping for a hair-growth spurt

If it works, please let me know!

239 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:49:59pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

I'm sorry to hear that.

If it's any comfort, I like you.

240 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:50:03pm

re: #155 WriterMom

Did you get my note about lunch?

Thanks, I haven't check my email in a while. Will do!

241 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:50:10pm

re: #238 OldLineTexan

If it works, please let me know!

a tad deforested, are ya ?

242 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:50:19pm

re: #240 Josephine

PIMF

checked

243 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:51:17pm

Rapture?

244 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:51:34pm
245 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:51:42pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

There are legitimate concerns and criticisms of NAFTA but I'm a free tade kinda guy so I generally support it. Corsi has conspiracy theories about the 'North American Parliament' which will eventually replace our government. The guy's a nutter.

The WAY the NAFTA superhighway was being built was my problem.

I am also against allowing Mexican trucks into the US without safety inspections and enough insurance, but that's because I live here and don't wish to die in a fiery crash BROKE.

246 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:51:43pm

Phew!

247 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:51:58pm

Good, Freddoso's book is the one being given away free by Townhall Daily if you subscribe.

248 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:52:34pm

re: #239 Dianna

;)

249 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:52:38pm

You wanna know what books I have read that have helped me the most in forming my opinions this year?

This one

and

this one.

Notice, attacks on Obama were not needed in either of them.

250 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:52:43pm

re: #218 Quilly Mammoth

No, that's for the upcoming Zombie Outbreaks.

I want to be on the grid, and have lots of armed neighbors when the zombies come.

Heck, I think I'll put in a firing step in my back yard. The cematery's just on the other side of the fence. Just in case.

251 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:52:57pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

a tad deforested, are ya ?

It is getting worse, too! I was using a grinder last week and some sparks sprayed on my head. The smell was burned flesh, not hair.

252 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:53:05pm

Man Banned from Girlfriend's Home Due to Noisy Sex

Anybody got a place I can crash?

253 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:53:07pm

re: #183 Iron Fist

Southern Poverty Law Center isn't exactly what you'd call unbiased. They're so left-wing they probably think Vlad Lenin is a member of the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy.

Maybe so, but Morris Dees has done more than anyone in this country to effectively shut down the Klan and white supremacist groups.

/because of him, Beulah Mae Donald, a black women from Mobile, Alabama owns the deed to the United Klans of America headquarters

254 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:53:16pm

re: #243 Ben Hur

Rapture?

The F-22 Rapture. Helluva fighter plane.

/what?

255 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:53:42pm

re: #236 Josephine

From the article:

"'I think you are being very meticulous,' he told reporters."

Details, shmetails.

More commie BS. That's why I'm not watching.

256 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:53:42pm

re: #250 Dianna

I want to be on the grid, and have lots of armed neighbors when the zombies come.

Heck, I think I'll put in a firing step in my back yard. The cematery's just on the other side of the fence. Just in case.

Claymores pointing downward on each grave with seismic triggers.

/

257 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:53:47pm

re: #20 taxfreekiller

Facts in the book are what count,

There are many books that are the greatest ever written, yet the nut case who wrote them was a laughing stock to all who knew them when they were alive.

Go get the book if the facts are bad that's it, but if the facts are correct, that is another thing, and there is the free speech thing,
there is nothing that can prevent Corsi from blah, blah like a loon.

He has a right to say, "I think Obama's prior use of drugs may cause him to use now, he may be using now and or he may use once he gets the job and can not handle it.

Just look at the post tfk does here on lgf's.

Thank you for that brilliant insight. I think you hit it on the head. I admit I'm dissapointed, I really thought this guy was sane.

The information is key. Now if someone else will look into Corsi's allegations, and write another book, then we'll have something less attackable.

The Case Against Barack Obama, looks ok, my main complaint is that the writer keeps saying Barack is an exceptional politician and a run of the mill liberal. I can't personally agree with either statement.

258 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:54:00pm

re: #251 OldLineTexan

It is getting worse, too! I was using a grinder last week and some sparks sprayed on my head. The smell was burned flesh, not hair.

why were you using a grinder on your head ?

259 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:54:17pm

re: #244 Kenneth

Turkish journalist shot in the head by Russians.

He was committing genocide. The peace-loving Russian peacekeepers fired in self-defense.

260 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:54:58pm

re: #252 Ben Hur

Residents of Norris's publicly owned home had been complaining since 2006 about thumping music, banging headboards

?

This writer has a sense o' humour....

261 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:55:11pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy


/because of him, Beulah Mae Donald, a black women from Mobile, Alabama owns the deed to the United Klans of America headquarters

I love that. Just wonderful. The very definition of "heh".

262 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:55:16pm

re: #259 Occasional Reader

Right... and now his skull contains stolen Russian property.

263 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:55:30pm

Meanwhile in Texas in August it is a blistering 81°F outside.

264 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:56:03pm

re: #263 David IV of Georgia

Meanwhile in Texas in August it is a blistering 81°F outside.

Oh, that Georgia.

265 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:56:05pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy

Maybe so, but Morris Dees has done more than anyone in this country to effectively shut down the Klan and white supremacist groups.

/because of him, Beulah Mae Donald, a black women from Mobile, Alabama owns the deed to the United Klans of America headquarters

And paint as many other people as possible as racists, regardless.

/too much of a good thing is a bad thing

266 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:56:05pm

re: #259 Occasional Reader

He was committing genocide. The peace-loving Russian peacekeepers fired in self-defense.

Remember, the whole justification for this invasion is Russia's overwhelming distaste for innocent civilians being fired upon by Georgia.

267 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:56:09pm

1/3 of the American public think 9/11 an 'inside job'

I posit that the overwhelming majority of those that think 9/11 an 'inside job' lean to the left of the political spectrum.

Therefore, when Obamacans attack troofers to discredit the book, they are actually eating away at their level of support....the troofers will think that Obama has become part of the plot!

268 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:56:28pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

why were you using a grinder on your head ?

The point has been growing.

/

269 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:56:54pm

re: #249 RememberSekhmet?

You wanna know what books I have read that have helped me the most in forming my opinions this year?

This one

and

this one.

Notice, attacks on Obama were not needed in either of them.

I was most influenced by A Conservative History of the American Left, and by Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies.

270 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:57:10pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy

Maybe so, but Morris Dees has done more than anyone in this country to effectively shut down the Klan and white supremacist groups.

/because of him, Beulah Mae Donald, a black women from Mobile, Alabama owns the deed to the United Klans of America headquarters

Dees has in fact done great work out of the SPLC. Most of the rest of the place, sadly, is dedicated to finding "racism" where non-exists just to self sustain

271 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:57:13pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Yet he hasn't headed for the hills, which makes me suspicious.

272 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:57:32pm

re: #264 Ben Hur

Not this Georgia.

273 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:57:58pm

re: #222 Charles

The left couldn't have been handed a better tool to discredit critics of Obama if they'd made it up themselves. Disgusting.


So maybe they did? Not that hard to get a honey trap like this set up in publishing to discredit a good argument.

274 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:58:09pm

re: #263 David IV of Georgia

Meanwhile in Texas in August it is a blistering 81°F outside.

Well, Al Gore also predicted extreme cold spells, and extreme periods of normalcy, so this just proves what a genius he is!

/to get the full effect, you have to imagine my face getting redder and redder as I rant

275 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:58:14pm

re: #264 Ben Hur

Oh, that Georgia.

I'm Texan or Texican (the older term).

276 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:58:19pm

re: #268 OldLineTexan

The point has been growing.

/

your grinder has a point? maybe you should let IT post here too !

277 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:58:25pm

re: #244 Kenneth

cnn has the unedited footage. Pretty damn intense.

278 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:58:28pm

Video shows Russian troops in bank heist.
Video shows Russian troops shooting Turkish journalist in head.

I can't wait to see the MSM play this stuff over and over, and the New York Times putting it on the front page for 20 days straight, and Amnesty International screaming that these thugs be prosecuted for war crimes, and Keith Olbermann throwing a hissy fit over it.

/Crickets


Bless our world class professional military. Show your respect to an American soldier today.

279 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:58:48pm

re: #272 WriterMom

Not this Georgia.


Just thought is was an interesting comment from someone from.....Georgia?

280 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:58:50pm

re: #252 Ben Hur

Man Banned from Girlfriend's Home Due to Noisy Sex

Anybody got a place I can crash?

Yeah right.

281 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:59:52pm

re: #254 Occasional Reader

The F-22 Rapture. Helluva fighter plane.

/what?

It takes off before it takes off?

282 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:00:13pm

re: #278 Tigger2005

They just stole some money from a bank. But the Americans looting 50 gajillionbazillion dollars worth of antiquities from the Iraqi museums.

Or allowed it to happen. I forget which.

All I know is America is worse.

/

283 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:00:25pm

re: #249 RememberSekhmet?

You wanna know what books I have read that have helped me the most in forming my opinions this year?

This one

and

this one.

Notice, attacks on Obama were not needed in either of them.

Upding for that choice of books!
Both are indinspensable, imo, and the first is a must-read, elections or not!

284 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:00:26pm

re: #256 OldLineTexan

Claymores pointing downward on each grave with seismic triggers.

/

I most definitely recommend reading the Zombie Survival Guide and World War Z. Both books by Max Brooks. Perfect books to help you prevent zombie invasion.

285 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:00:31pm

re: #254 Occasional Reader

The F-22 Rapture. Helluva fighter plane.

/what?

The enemy gets raptured, damn straight!

286 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:00:38pm

re: #275 David IV of Georgia

I'm Texan or Texican (the older term).

There was Dallas, from Phoenix; Cleveland - he was from Detroit; and Tex... well, I don't remember where Tex come from.

287 kansas  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:00:56pm

<

Yes, he did. It went on from about 1 minute in. It was pretty disturbing.

I didn't have any sound on the YouTube clip I got. Generally, what did he say?

288 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:00:57pm

re: #224 Opinionated

What do you think of Obama/Gore?

Well, he would bring a certain amount of gravity to the ticket.

Oh, you mean gravitas. Silly me.

289 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:01:01pm
290 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:01:08pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

Addendum: I can't believe they survived.

291 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:01:46pm
292 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:01:48pm

re: #109 Kenneth

Obama's "grass roots Christian" organization has a cute little website all of their own.

Oh, that photo of Obama: What nice teeth you have, Mr. Wolf.

293 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:02:00pm

Murdered Gay Boy's Family Blames School for Letting Him Wear Makeup

VENTURA, California — The family of a gay teenager who was fatally shot in class blames the school district for allowing their son to wear makeup and feminine clothing to school — factors the family claims led to the death.

The parents and brother of 15-year-old Larry King of Oxnard filed a personal injury claim against the Hueneme school district seeking unspecified damages for not enforcing the dress code, The Ventura County Star reported.

Sad but interesting.

294 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:02:09pm

One day I would love to head for the hills, but I still want to be able to drive to a Wal-Mart, or even a Costco. Off the grid? No way.

295 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:02:27pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

cnn has the unedited footage. Pretty damn intense.

Holy shit.

296 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:02:52pm

re: #291 jcm

This place is out.

Swingers shut down Des Moines sex club after neighbors complain, city intervenes


Unfortunately, most swingers look like that couple in the picture.

297 finallyhere  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:03:08pm

I read "The Obama Nation". No matter whether you like an author or not, nothing in that book that I already have not read on THIS SITE or National Review or Power Line. Minor mistakes, but not as Obama calling Bob Beckel a Republican strategist.

Corsi is not the best guy on the block, but he put together a pretty good book. It is great that it is #1. Thanks to Corsi more people will get information that I am getting from this site and other like that.

Corsi is not running for President and the company he keeps is not worse than the company Obama keeps.

This reminds me a little bit like Clinton said that spies should be clean like Mother Theresa or we cannot use them.

298 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:03:09pm

re: #293 Ben Hur

Murdered Gay Boy's Family Blames School for Letting Him Wear Makeup

Sad but interesting.

Strangely enough I always thought it was the parents job to make sure their kids are properly attired for school. Silly me.

299 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:03:42pm

re: #227 Fat Jolly Penguin

The Messiah and The Gaiassiah together on one ticket? Isn't that a bit overwhelming?

Who would out-platitude who?

300 jorline  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:03:58pm

Corsi's like swiss cheese...there's hole in a lot of what he writes not to mention who he associates with. If he can make a buck off a book he'll write it...troof or not.

He's on Fox as much as Buchanan.

301 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:04:26pm
302 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:04:33pm

re: #256 OldLineTexan

It's got to take their heads.

303 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:04:48pm

Discord With Russia a Worry for NASA

NASA's ability to send its astronauts to the $100 billion international space station is in danger of becoming a costly casualty of the Russia-Georgia war.

Because the American fleet of space shuttles will be retired in 2010 and the United States won't have a replacement ready until at least 2015, NASA wants to negotiate a contract this year to have Russia's Soyuz spacecraft transport all astronauts traveling to and from the station during the gap.

/a week ago, Russia was one of our best buds, how quickly things change

304 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:05:34pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Just sayin'

Why ruin a perfectly good conversation?

305 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:05:36pm

re: #250 Dianna

I want to be on the grid, and have lots of armed neighbors when the zombies come.

Heck, I think I'll put in a firing step in my back yard. The cematery's just on the other side of the fence. Just in case.

If you got any of the Zombie Survival guides, you would realize a cemetary would be the safest place. A zombie is not going to be able to dig its way out of a casket and thru several feet of dirt to get to you. Hospitals and jails will be the most dangerous places in the early stages of an outbreak.

306 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:05:38pm

re: #269 Mars Needs Neocons

I was most influenced by A Conservative History of the American Left, and by Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies.

I was most influenced by my parents and Ronald Reagan, and growing up middle class in Middle America.

I made a bit of a detour to the left in my 20's, mostly because I didn't care for the "religionization" of the Republican party. I didn't think one's religion, or lack of it, should be a litmus test for whether one could be conservative or patriotic or Republican.

But I never abandoned my conviction that democracy, free enterprise, small government, low taxes, strong defense, etc. should be the unchallenged fundamentals on which America stands.

307 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:05:44pm

re: #296 Ben Hur

Unfortunately? I think it's fortunate...probably disuades many other swinger wannabees.

308 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:05:45pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

Addendum: I can't believe they survived.


Indeed...I lost count of the number of bullet holes in the windshield.

309 Querent  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:05:51pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy

Maybe so, but Morris Dees has done more than anyone in this country to effectively shut down the Klan and white supremacist groups.

because of him and that outfit's Intelligence Report magazine, i knew who those VB folks were long before GoV and Altas etc. started hyping them...

310 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:06:33pm

re: #269 Mars Needs Neocons

Actually, I've been most influenced by listening to what Barack Obama says and how he has ran his campaign. He is basically an empty suit. He doesn't stand for much of anything, just repeats the mantras of "Change" and "Hope".

Hope that the change is a good change, I guess.

In his life of "public service" he has left few traces except being radically pro-abortion (to the point of being pro-infanticide). He's also pro-gun control, which is a sure vote-loser for me.

But worse is how he has run his campaign. His primary victory, and his hopes for the general election, rests on the creation of a cult of personality that is downright frightening. He appears to revel in this, as though he has bought into the worship of himself. We don't need some wannabe god as President. Everywhere that has been tried it has been a disaster.

That's enough reason to vote against Obama.

311 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:06:36pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

cnn has the unedited footage. Pretty damn intense.

UNBELEIVABLE.

Do you think CNN would air footage of one of their journos getting shot in the head?

I know their excuse is, "well the Turks aired it," but c'mon.

312 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:07:08pm

re: #311 Ben Hur

UNBELEIVABLE.

Do you think CNN would air footage of one of their journos getting shot in the head?

I know their excuse is, "well the Turks aired it," but c'mon.

He lived.

I thought he died.

313 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:07:23pm

re: #267 DeafDog

Well, he couldn't expect "them" to let him be elected if he weren't part of the conspiracy, could he?

/

314 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:08:10pm

re: #307 WriterMom

Unfortunately? I think it's fortunate...probably disuades many other swinger wannabees.

BURN THE PURITAN!

315 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:08:12pm

re: #54 Occasional Reader

Perhaps, but it's all in the presentation. That's why Ackbar gets the laurels.


OMG.. I was wondering what the heck you guys were talking about and then the youtube link.. Star Wars?
oh boy..there are like 10 of them isn't there? like the 1st one is really the 5th one or something like that...Sorry but i'll stick with womens beach volleyball on a slow day...
:)

316 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:08:12pm

re: #306 Tigger2005

I was most influenced by my parents and Ronald Reagan, and growing up middle class in Middle America.

I made a bit of a detour to the left in my 20's, mostly because I didn't care for the "religionization" of the Republican party. I didn't think one's religion, or lack of it, should be a litmus test for whether one could be conservative or patriotic or Republican.

But I never abandoned my conviction that democracy, free enterprise, small government, low taxes, strong defense, etc. should be the unchallenged fundamentals on which America stands.

Well, me neither, I was just talking about this year.

Thanks for the reminder that everyone should know. Hmm, judging by what you've written it puts you into my age group roughly.

317 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:08:58pm

re: #293 Ben Hur

Murdered Gay Boy's Family Blames School for Letting Him Wear Makeup

Sad but interesting.

Sorry but someone needs to say no. The proper response to this complaint, which sounds like the throat clearing before "They have retained counsel and are exploring all their options." is, "Who owns this problem?" That can get you past most crises in a school. Sorry for the child and the family and the school may have a terrible policy the family was trying t fight but I doubt the school caused that problem here. The school may be guilty of having terrible security and placing students at risk because of a lack of discipline.

318 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:09:09pm
319 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:10:14pm

re: #252 Ben Hur

Man Banned from Girlfriend's Home Due to Noisy Sex

I presume it was more than just her screaming "OH MY GOD".

320 kansas  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:10:40pm

re: #254 Occasional Reader

The F-22 Rapture. Helluva fighter plane.

/what?

Evangelical fighter plane.

321 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:10:40pm

re: #303 Killian Bundy

Discord With Russia a Worry for NASA


/a week ago, Russia was one of our best buds, how quickly things change

We might want to consider extending the life of the shuttle program. It isn't like they have an expiration date on the side of them. As it is now, we rebuild the things constantly.

322 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:11:02pm

re: #319 Son of the Black Dog

I presume it was more than just her screaming "OH MY GOD".

Hopefully her, and not him.

323 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:11:19pm

re: #318 Ward Cleaver

That's happened here too, recently (the Cherry Pit in Duncanville, a swinger's club).

Who did I just hear changing travel plans?

324 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:11:26pm

re: #320 kansas

Evangelical fighter plane.

Spreadin' the word!

325 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:12:14pm

re: #319 Son of the Black Dog

I presume it was more than just her screaming "OH MY GOD".

Rotating title nominee.

326 Naso Tang  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:12:15pm

I noticed he is still making major hay about the birth certificate issue, while evading questions regarding any evidence to the contrary.

I think I'll go with LGF on this one. It's a pity that the populist anti Obama's have themselves to be nothing but populists.

327 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:12:18pm
King was a ward of the court and living at a shelter for abused, neglected and emotionally troubled children at the time of the shooting.

Looks like his parents weren't dressing him in the morning.

But!

Murder of someone is unacceptable, yes even if that person is dressed in a manner different that the norm. Blaming anyone for the manner in which he was dressed implies that there was something blame-worthy (in relation to the murder) with his dress.

No. The blame is entirely on the murderer, not the dress of the victim.

328 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:12:29pm

re: #314 Ben Hur

Oh PUH LEASE.

329 jorline  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:12:31pm

re: #317 lifeofthemind

Sorry but someone needs to say no. The proper response to this complaint, which sounds like the throat clearing before "They have retained counsel and are exploring all their options." is, "Who owns this problem?" That can get you past most crises in a school. Sorry for the child and the family and the school may have a terrible policy the family was trying t fight but I doubt the school caused that problem here. The school may be guilty of having terrible security and placing students at risk because of a lack of discipline.


You mean it's not the schools and governments job to raise our children? Who's' suppose to be responsible?
By the way....my little Johnny would never do something like that.

330 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:12:44pm
331 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:12:45pm

Gifted Student Hospitalized After Drinking Liquid Nitrogen

PRINCETON, N.J. — A gifted 15-year-old student from India had to be rushed to the hospital after drinking liquid nitrogen during a science class at Princeton University.

The class was part of a program run by the Connecticut-based Summer Institute for the Gifted. It isn't affiliated with the university.

The students were performing a popular experiment in which liquid nitrogen is used to make ice cream.

Nitrogen liquefies at negative 328 degrees Fahrenheit — cold enough to cause burns.

The Summer Institute said the boy was in critical condition and has been upgraded to stable.

I hope he gets well, but that was.......STUPID.

332 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:12:57pm

re: #317 lifeofthemind

If the school had told the kid he couldn't wear makeup, the parents would have probably sued for violating his freedom of expression. Sometimes you just can't win.

333 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:13:03pm

re: #303 Killian Bundy

Discord With Russia a Worry for NASA

/a week ago, Russia was one of our best buds, how quickly things change

If I were NASA, I'd be figuring out a way to keep the orbiters going until 2015. I'm a little nervous about our guys flying aboard Russian-made junk.

334 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:13:10pm

re: #328 WriterMom

Oh PUH LEASE.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

335 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:13:39pm

re: #261 Occasional Reader

I love that. Just wonderful. The very definition of "heh".

But a bad legal precedent for going after more respectable, but perhaps not politically correct, organizations.

336 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:13:45pm

re: #23 looking closely

Troofers against Obama?

I thought Obama had the Troofer demographic locked up.

There are many troofers on both sides of the political spectrum here in the states. Willful insanity is not an exclusive product of the left.

337 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:14:04pm

re: #331 Ben Hur

Gifted Student Hospitalized After Drinking Liquid Nitrogen

I hope he gets well, but that was.......STUPID.

So much for being talented and gifted. Uh, yeah.

338 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:14:44pm

re: #327 Silhouette

Agreed, just sounds like the parents anger is going for the wrong target. The school may have deeper pockets but it didn't kill their child.

339 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:15:56pm
340 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:16:55pm

This is really disappointing.

341 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:17:03pm

Parents Angry Over Disney's 'Dive In' Underwear for Young Girls

Repeat after me:

GENERATION HO.

Now, this is not saying that every girl that wears underwear is a Ho.

342 Naso Tang  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:17:07pm

re: #321 karmic_inquisitor

We might want to consider extending the life of the shuttle program. It isn't like they have an expiration date on the side of them. As it is now, we rebuild the things constantly.

That is a decision that would have to made NOW. In some sense it might be the cheapest approach, given the alternative worst case options, and it would send a clear an unambiguous signal to the Russians that they are no longer partners, by their choice.

343 jorline  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:17:11pm

re: #339 buzzsawmonkey

re: #329 jorline

First read-through of the article I hadn't noticed that the murdered boy was a ward of the court and living in a home for abused, neglected and emotionally troubled children.

That suggests to me that the parents are trying to work off some guilt for how they treated their son in the first place.

Could be

344 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:17:36pm

Why is this bad for business?

Obama Camp Slams McCain on His Corsi Comments

This is a pretty major blunder for McCain to make. Corsi's questionable ties are now being scrutinzed (going on a White Supremacist radio show?), and he may regret brushing off Corsi's shameful book in such a haphazard manner. Obama should hit this and hit it hard repeatedly. What, exactly, does John McCain find so hilarious about Corsi's comments about the Pope and 9/11 being an inside job? That's a question the media should follow up on, don't you think?

This reflects very poorly on McCain. It almost makes me wonder if this is intentional. Afterall, Corsi believes McCain is funded by al Qaeda.

345 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:17:46pm

re: #339 buzzsawmonkey

re: #329 jorline

First read-through of the article I hadn't noticed that the murdered boy was a ward of the court and living in a home for abused, neglected and emotionally troubled children.

That suggests to me that the parents are trying to work off some guilt for how they treated their son in the first place.

Or like most parents who neglect or abuse, they are looking for the quick payoff.

346 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:17:59pm

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

BBL

347 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:18:10pm

lifeofthemind,

That's happened here too, recently (the Cherry Pit in Duncanville, a swinger's club).

Swingers are nasty. I went to a reputed swingers bar here in Houston just to check it out. I wouldn't have _ _ _ _ ed any of those people with OR's dick.

348 oh_dude  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:18:29pm

I was just driving back from grabbing lunch and behind one of the stop signs along the way was a sticker that read...

9/11 Was An Inside Job

And below it someone scribbled...

"So was your Mom"

BAA!

349 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:18:53pm

re: #332 Iron Fist

If the school had told the kid he couldn't wear makeup, the parents would have probably sued for violating his freedom of expression. Sometimes you just can't win.

Teachers are the passive aggressive types who want to complain about disorder and the lack of a good learning environment but do not want to be saddled with actual responsibility for what is going on around them. The unions always fight efforts to install dress codes and give teachers the authority to step into the hall and control the behavior of students.

350 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:18:53pm

re: #344 Killgore Trout

Why is this bad for business?

Obama Camp Slams McCain on His Corsi Comments

This reflects very poorly on McCain. It almost makes me wonder if this is intentional. Afterall, Corsi believes McCain is funded by al Qaeda.

Damn did you get that Kos post? Sorry you had to go cesspool diving. Are you OK?

351 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:19:09pm

re: #304 Josephine

Why ruin a perfectly good conversation?


Corsi believes McCain is accepting campaign funds from alQaeda. It's not ruining the thread, it's very relevant.

352 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:19:10pm

re: #333 Ward Cleaver

If I were NASA, I'd be figuring out a way to keep the orbiters going until 2015. I'm a little nervous about our guys flying aboard Russian-made junk.

That's not in Lord Obama's plans.

/it's money that will be spent for the wholesale indoctrination of pre-kindergarten children in the ways of socialism, get to them early and often

353 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:19:29pm

re: #341 Ben Hur

From the Sun

Sue is demanding the £4 packs are removed removed from her local Asda in Broadstairs, Kent, where she bought them.

Not just removed, but removed removed. Which is worse, as everyone knows.

354 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:19:37pm

re: #350 Mars Needs Neocons

I do it all the time. I'm used to it.

355 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:19:52pm

re: #331 Ben Hur

Gifted Student Hospitalized After Drinking Liquid Nitrogen


I hope he gets well, but that was.......STUPID.

Gifted with no common sense.

356 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:20:04pm

re: #313 Dianna

Well, he couldn't expect "them" to let him be elected if he weren't part of the conspiracy, could he?

/

EXACTLY! So troofer need to not elect the choosen one because 'they' really secretly want him to be elected. It's part of the conspiracy....it will make your head explode if you think about it, but that's what the troofers are like to start with.

357 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:20:06pm

re: #346 Ben Hur

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

BBL

OK then.

By

358 Naso Tang  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:20:33pm

re: #347 Dirk Diggler

lifeofthemind,

Swingers are nasty. I went to a reputed swingers bar here in Houston just to check it out.

Sure, a part of your journalism thesis, I presume? ;)

359 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:21:54pm

re: #340 Lawrence Schmerel

This is really disappointing.

That he's a troofer or the book's #1?

/most of the good citizens buying the book will never find out he's a troofer

360 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:22:16pm

re: #292 Josephine

Oh, that photo of Obama: What nice teeth you have, Mr. Wolf.

Or perhaps Mr. Shark.

361 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:22:22pm

re: #347 Dirk Diggler

OMG! OMG OMG!

362 Alouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:22:24pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

cnn has the unedited footage. Pretty damn intense.

One reporter was shot in the head, but his injuries were not life-threatening

It would have taken a damn good sniper to hit one brain cell.

363 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:23:01pm

re: #49 Athos

On Corsi's individual credibility -

9/11 Troofer Conspiracy supporter
NAU Conspiracy supporter
Amero Conspiracy supporter
Has no problem appearing on racist / fascist program The Political Cesspool (which also hosts racists like David Duke and holocaust deniers like Mark Weber) [and Pat Buchanan - SB]

That's 4 major strikes as far as I am concerned.

I don't read WND as much as I used to because they provide Corsi with a platform for his conspiracy mongering....and I don't intend on reading his book. I will read Freddoso's as he doesn't have the credibility challenges that Corsi does (that I am aware of).

Not to sound like a conspiracy nut myself, but this business with Corsi and his book sounds like the "release credible information via incredible sources" tactic.

It won't be hard for the Obama team to paint this guy as a loon and a racist, which will likely have the effect of deflating all his claims (credible or not) and the claims of others that are similar.

364 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:23:08pm

I looked at the underwear. First of all, I can't believe I had to follow the link to The Sun. Since the appearance of the underwear is at issue, the first story should have also had a picture.

Anyway, I was prepared to be appalled. But the "dive in" is so tiny...who could read it?

Compared to the shorts with writing on the behinds, I rate this a "2" in the sexification of children category.

365 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:23:12pm
366 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:23:18pm

re: #359 Killian Bundy

They'll find out only if the accusations against BHO gain any traction.

367 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:23:24pm

re: #358 Naso Tang

Sure, a part of your journalism thesis, I presume? ;)

To boldly go .... where untold numbers have gone before?

368 FinallyHere  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:23:33pm

The "Bacon" Test [Greg Pollowitz]

Senator Obama has released a 41-page rebuttal to Jerome Corsi's Obama Nation. This has to be my favorite:

LIE: “Obama always acknowledged his stepfather was Muslim, though he did his best to downplay Islam as an important force in his stepfather’s life.” [p 58]

REALITY: LOLO WAS A NOMINAL MUSLIM

Lolo Soetoro Was A “Nominal Muslim” Who Enjoyed Bacon. “The grandparents who helped raise Mr. Obama were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists. His mother was an anthropologist who collected religious texts the way others picked up tribal masks, teaching her children the inspirational power of the common narratives and heroes. His mother’s tutelage took place mostly in Indonesia, in the household of Mr. Obama’s stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, a nominal Muslim who hung prayer beads over his bed but enjoyed bacon, which Islam forbids.” [New York Times, 4/3/07]

The 9/11 hijackers drank alcohol at strip clubs in Florida, another practice forbidden by Islam. Were they "nominal Muslims," too?

Either way, this 41-page document is more of a reference guide for the media, lefty pundits and lefty bloggers than it is an actual "we won't be swift-boated" response. If this is all he has with which to answer Corsi, consider Obama already 'boated.

Also of note, David Freddoso's book, The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate, is not included in this analysis. It's hard to "fight the smears" when the "smears" are the "facts."

[Link: media.nationalreview.com...]

369 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:23:50pm

re: #293 Ben Hur

Murdered Gay Boy's Family Blames School for Letting Him Wear Makeup

Sad but interesting.

Sued if you do, sued if you don't.

370 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:24:59pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Corsi believes McCain is accepting campaign funds from alQaeda. It's not ruining the thread, it's very relevant.

Corsi and WND are suddenly reliable sources.

And Robert Spencer just happens to be brought up again in relation to Kosovo.

Sorry for my cynicism Killgore but I'm sick to death of the Spencer-smearing.

371 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:25:17pm

re: #362 Alouette

One reporter was shot in the head, but his injuries were not life-threatening.

There's a brainless journalists joke in there somewhere, but I'll refrain. Although, if it is anything like engineers and engineering jokes, or lawyers and lawyer jokes, he'd probably laugh the hardest.

God bless the man in his recovery and thankfully he and people like him are there covering the Russian actions.

372 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:26:48pm

re: #366 Fenway_Nation

They'll find out only if the accusations against BHO gain any traction.

/and then his work is done

373 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:28:24pm

re: #344 Killgore Trout

Why is this bad for business?

Obama Camp Slams McCain on His Corsi Comments


This reflects very poorly on McCain. It almost makes me wonder if this is intentional. Afterall, Corsi believes McCain is funded by al Qaeda.

If the Obamatons do make it a big issue, there are several avanues to fight back -

1) So it is OK to heap scorn on McCain regarding associations of an Obama critic, when it isn't OK to question any of Obama's long time personal, political and professional associations?

2)Isn't this the sort of "distraction" that Obama himself like to point out? Shouldn't we be concerned with issues? Like an ascendant Russia threatening a nuclear strike against a NATO member, while Obama talks of getting rid of missile defense systems as well as our nuclear weapons?

I hope they make an issue of it, frankly.

374 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:28:32pm
375 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:29:15pm

re: #370 Josephine

There was no smearing. What did I say that was untrue?

376 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:30:01pm

Naso Tang,

Sure, a part of your journalism thesis, I presume? ;)

I went with a girl I had been hanging out with. It was a total spur of the moment thing. The place and the people were absolutely disgusting. We were gone in five minute.

Maybe 'normal' people do that sort of thing, but I didn't see anything but freaks there. If I ever have a burning desire to get hepatitis C, I'll go back.

377 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:30:09pm

re: #360 Son of the Black Dog

Or perhaps Mr. Shark.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

We have a solid team on our side, all Saints.

378 A.W.  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:30:46pm

Mmm, that is weird. I mean usually troofers hate Bush, you know, and while McCain is not bush, you would tend to assume they are not crazy about McCain, either.

I would say this. Some facts are just facts. If he has citations and can prove them, independently, then fine. Its a little like the people who attacked your Rathergate .gifs because you are seen as "right wing" (which is a gross oversimplification). But even them it doesn't matter. Anyone can do what you did: type the letter into an new copy of Word and voila, the TNG memos! Its an experiment. Likewise, if he says William Ayers is a terrorist who committed this bombing and that bombing, and he cites to, say, a criminal conviction or even Ayers' own words, then you can't ignore it just because Corsi said it. But on the other hand if it is based on evidence we can't verify, then nope, don't trust it.

Or save your time and find a trustworthy source agaisnt Obama. I am sure there will be no shortage of books pointing out that we shouldn't vote for the unqualified one.

Maybe in fact Corsi is part of the Troofer conspiracy, a la South Park, where thousands of government agents spread the theory that 9-11 was done by the US government so people will think that the government is competant enough to pull of the whole thing. (If you have seen the episode of South Park on the Troofers, you will get the joke. If you haven't, you MUST watch it. Its a classic, not the least of which for their take on the hardy boys. "I have a raging clue.")

379 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:31:36pm

re: #320 kansas

Evangelical fighter plane.

I think the enemy pilots would "come to Jesus" very quickly.

380 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:31:47pm

re: #362 Alouette

It's amazing that in the span of a week, at least 3 journalists were killed, and at least nine injured in the fighting. Plus, snipers have taken shots at others and missed; and some journalists have been robbed at gunpoint by the Russian troops.

So, where's the outcry from the media over Russia's actions? Or, does their need to retain access to sources in Moscow trump their objective reporting? /you know the answer to this... after all, CNN admitted that access trumps truth and facts.

381 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:31:49pm

re: #349 lifeofthemind

Teachers are the passive aggressive types who want to complain about disorder and the lack of a good learning environment but do not want to be saddled with actual responsibility for what is going on around them. The unions always fight efforts to install dress codes and give teachers the authority to step into the hall and control the behavior of students.

My mother was a teacher.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

382 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:32:04pm

re: #375 Killgore Trout

No, but if the fearsome four are anywhere near, they'll catch your ball and run with it.

383 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:32:09pm
384 nikis-knight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:32:37pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

There are many troofers on both sides of the political spectrum here in the states. Willful insanity is not an exclusive product of the left.

Yeah, but does one side have MORE crazy conspiricists than the other? It might just be relevant, you know. Might be related to the accusations leveled, or even coyly not denied, against the republican president by the highest ranks of the democratic party.
To say that it is just a craziness on both sides is to obscure the issue with an equivalence that might not be so if the amounts are lopsided, as I'd bet anything that they are.

385 nikis-knight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:33:34pm

re: #341 Ben Hur

Parents Angry Over Disney's 'Dive In' Underwear for Young Girls

Repeat after me:

GENERATION HO.

Now, this is not saying that every girl that wears underwear is a Ho.

No, in fact the opposite is more likely, I think.

386 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:33:53pm

re: #381 OldLineTexan

My mother was a teacher.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

So was my mother. So as a matter of fact was I.

387 Charles  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:34:08pm

re: #378 A.W.

To me, the Troofer crap, while bad enough, is far less important than the associations with neo-Nazis.

That is sheer poison. And it doesn't matter whether every word in his book is true.

388 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:34:25pm

re: #378 A.W.

Finally a like mind! That is what I was trying to get at back in past #267. The troofers don't think like normal folks. If Obama is being hurt by a fellow troofer, then the consipricay can run in all sorts of directions.

389 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:34:30pm

I think when they bandy about polls that say 1/4th or 1/3rd of Americans are at least partial troofers, that the vast majority of those polled are probably nice but gullible people who "haven't paid a whole lot of attention to it, but now that you ask, there HAS been a lot of talk about it, and there wouldn't be that much talk if there wasn't something to it, right?"

390 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:34:43pm

re: #386 lifeofthemind

So was my mother. So as a matter of fact was I.

Are you saying you're passive-aggressive, and mind-controlled by a union, then?

If so, fine.

391 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:34:54pm

I agree, Charles. If someone is a Troofer -- bzzzzt - ZERO credibility.

392 FinallyHere  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:35:06pm
393 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:36:04pm

re: #344 Killgore Trout

I thought McCain's reaction was the right one. If we all pointed and laughed a little more at nuts, we'd be healthier.

394 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:36:29pm

re: #374 lawhawk

a much longer undistinguished Senate record.


I love it. Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseoh pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpl ease...

395 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:37:08pm

re: #394 Iron Fist

I love it. Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease ohpleaseohpleaseohplease...

What's the number of the loud sex ban lawyer? I seem to have a new neighbor...

396 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:37:11pm

re: #385 nikis-knight

No, in fact the opposite is more likely, I think.

LOL!

My 'friend' from my youth was talking about her previous evening's "partying" and was relating a story of someone pulling up her skirt and she said the sentence, "Thank heavens I wore underwear that night!" I was shocked. You mean sometimes you DON'T?

397 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:37:12pm

re: #362 Alouette

It would have taken a damn good sniper to hit one brain cell.

Watch this. Aparrently a Russian sniper school dropout with a pellet gun, with much drama.

/watch Steve Harrigan get chased off by directed, humiliated Georgian gunfire

398 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:37:12pm

re: #387 Charles

Would I be giving the Obama camp too much credit for orchestrating this whole thing from the onset? I mean, weren't they the ones who wanted to go down the 'You-Must-be-a-bigot-if-you're-not-voting-for-Obama' road in the first place? Now it sets out every subsequent (and accurate) denunciation of Obama as the bitter rantings of Angry White Males/bigots, regardless of the source....

399 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:37:20pm

re: #393 Dianna

I thought McCain's reaction was the right one. If we all pointed and laughed a little more at nuts, we'd be healthier.

Yep, I like it.

400 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:37:32pm

re: #349 lifeofthemind

As a teacher's kid, I think that's a very unjust series of statements.

401 Wendya  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:38:21pm

re: #45 Golem Akbar

Corsi is toxic. Troofer? Racist? Buh bye, Corsi. Good riddance. There are many others out there with the facts against the O-man who aren't nut cakes. Let's hear them out. Not Corsi.

Where are they?

Have they published books that are actually sourced?

Should I completely discount the fact that Obama was heavily influenced by Saul Alinsky just because Corsi mentions it in his book? Ignoring facts because you don't like the person who repeated them is straight out of the leftist playbook.

402 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:39:14pm

re: #387 Charles

And he chose to go on the neo-Nazi radio show. Nothing forced him to go on it. It's not like they hide what they are, either.

403 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:39:25pm
404 J.S.  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:39:34pm

How unfortunate about this book. I had heard (on a CNN program) that the book was full of smears and innuendos...This sort of tactic could easily back-fire -- make Obama into an object of pity, etc., and rally the sympathy votes...(If the book is as moronic as what some are stating, I wonder how it ever came into print -- I mean, if you want smears, innuendos, rumors and lots of vile gossip, one needs only turn to the Internet...I wonder who the publisher is...)

405 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:39:38pm

re: #401 Wendya

Getting in bed with a Troofer is going to cost you in the long run.

406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:39:53pm

re: #397 Killian Bundy

Watch this. Aparrently a Russian sniper school dropout with a pellet gun, with much drama.

/watch Steve Harrigan get chased off by directed, humiliated Georgian gunfire

The money quote from Steve "We were just standing there interviewing some Russian Soldiers when..."

Just a thought, don't interview combat troops in the middle of a warzone and act suprised when the other side starts shooting in your direction.

407 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:41:14pm
408 Wendya  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:41:36pm

re: #405 OldLineTexan

Getting in bed with a Troofer is going to cost you in the long run.

Discounting a fact or ignoring it because you don't like the person who repeated it will cost you more.

409 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:42:27pm

Corsi is right.

Also, Corsi is wrong.

(Illustration of the fairness doctrine as applied to one person's comments.)

410 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:42:28pm

re: #408 Wendya

Discounting a fact or ignoring it because you don't like the person who repeated it will cost you more.

I don't have to ignore a "fact".

I will just need a reliable source.

Corsi ain't it.

411 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:42:40pm

re: #365 buzzsawmonkey

The chances of me letting anyone drop a golf-ball down my pants in high school were non-existent!

Especially after a particularly cheap pair of jeans disintegrated on my person as I stood up from my seat after class, leaving me standing in a waistband and a couple flaps of fabric.

412 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:42:41pm

re: #406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The money quote from Steve "We were just standing there interviewing some Russian Soldiers when..."

Just a thought, don't interview combat troops in the middle of a warzone and act suprised when the other side starts shooting in your direction.

As I said in the thread about roto-Reuters complaining that one of their propaganda writers was shot while working with Hamassholes,
If you position yourself next to a legitimate target, you become a target, too.

413 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:43:23pm

re: #390 OldLineTexan

Are you saying you're passive-aggressive, and mind-controlled by a union, then?

If so, fine.

No and I wonder why you are trying to start a fight with me on this thread. There is a real problem with dysfunctional organizations, a prime example being public school bureaucracies, attracting people who create an atmosphere that drives out functional competition. On some level government employs people, particularly in the case of teachers, who avoid individual responsibility and tolerate an unproductive work environment. They are also highly prone to collecting grievances, not to actually improve a situation but in order to generate enough friction that management chooses to leave them alone. This is a part of why the public schools are such poor places for children to grow up in.

414 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:43:26pm

re: #411 Dianna

Thank heavens you wore underwear!

415 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:43:33pm

re: #411 Dianna

The chances of me letting anyone drop a golf-ball down my pants in high school were non-existent!

Especially after a particularly cheap pair of jeans disintegrated on my person as I stood up from my seat after class, leaving me standing in a waistband and a couple flaps of fabric.

Dianna's rule #5: No matter how well it takes out stains, never wash your Toughskins in kerosene.

416 A.W.  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:44:00pm

Charles,

Well, personally, I ain't going to spend a dime on the book, if only because I wonder what else i am supporting with my $$$

417 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:44:15pm

re: #411 Dianna

The chances of me letting anyone drop a golf-ball down my pants in high school were non-existent!

Especially after a particularly cheap pair of jeans disintegrated on my person as I stood up from my seat after class, leaving me standing in a waistband and a couple flaps of fabric.

Dianna's rule #5: No matter how well it takes out stains, never wash your Toughskins in kerosene.

418 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:44:29pm

re: #406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just a thought, don't interview combat troops in the middle of a warzone and act suprised when the other side starts shooting in your direction.

/isn't there a cease fire in effect?

419 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:44:51pm

re: #331 Ben Hur

Gifted Student Hospitalized After Drinking Liquid Nitrogen

I hope he gets well, but that was.......STUPID.

Nobody ever said that brilliance was a guarantee of common sense.

420 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:45:19pm

re: #387 Charles

I guess if every word in his book is true, the American people could still get the truth from someone else.

It is disappointing that so much attention has been and will be wasted on Jerone Corsi.

421 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:45:27pm

re: #23 looking closely

Troofers against Obama?

I thought Obama had the Troofer demographic locked up.

That's what I thought.

422 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:45:56pm

re: #413 lifeofthemind

No and I wonder why you are trying to start a fight with me on this thread. There is a real problem with dysfunctional organizations, a prime example being public school bureaucracies, attracting people who create an atmosphere that drives out functional competition. On some level government employs people, particularly in the case of teachers, who avoid individual responsibility and tolerate an unproductive work environment. They are also highly prone to collecting grievances, not to actually improve a situation but in order to generate enough friction that management chooses to leave them alone. This is a part of why the public schools are such poor places for children to grow up in.

I'm not "trying to start a fight" with you.

You can keep your issues and your sweeping generalizations, and I will ignore your ravings, if that will salve your feelings.

423 calcajun  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:49:00pm

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but with friends like that, we conservatives don't need any enemies.

424 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:50:49pm

re: #352 Killian Bundy

That's not in Lord Obama's plans.

/it's money that will be spent for the wholesale indoctrination of pre-kindergarten children in the ways of socialism, get to them early and often</