Demand corrections from the heretic Baha'is, CAIR!

I do hope they hold their collective breath while they wait for the correction. Fewer CAIRites would be nice.

The terrorists demand a correction from a man exposing terrorists. I couldn't have seen it coming.

re: #3 Mars Needs Neocons

He has his head on straight, Mars! Just finished the linked report, and Emerson's in good company!

Follow the link and watch the video!

Cair is to Hamas/Hezbollah what Sinn Fein was to the IRA.

You can put an ape in a tuxedo, even teach the ape to dance and how use as knife and fork. When it is all said and done however, the only one who really believes the ape is camouflaged is the ape himself.

CAIR demands?

A prominent critic of C.A.I.R..

re: #4 Karridine

He has his head on straight, Mars! Just finished the linked report, and Emerson's in good company!

I know he's right, that's why the CAIR Bears are after him. Being right is always a guarantee to draw the terrorist scum.

So Saylor has comprehension problems, too?

"There is no Constitutional right to get recognition or funding from the State department..."

Steve Emerson

I love this qoute.

Subcommittee Chairman Brad Sherman (D-CA) also was interested in ways to reform State Department outreach funding. He suggested creating a questionnaire for prospective grant recipients. Among the areas it would ask about are past connections to radical groups, whether the applicant condemns terrorist groups such as Hizballah and Hamas and whether their board members ever were connected to the Muslim Brotherhood or other radical groups.

Because we all know that terrorists fear and respect the questionnaire.

re: #11 Mars Needs Neocons

Not that, Mars, but IF/WHEN aberrations are discovered, we then have a legal, black-n-white REASON for blacklisting them and cutting off funds. He cautions explicitly that their responses can be lies...

I must say that I thought the following was very telling, especially with regards to what Mr. Emreson said regarding the disenfranchisement of
Moderate Muslim groups who are intimidated by the "outreach" of OUR government to fund and indeed embrace Radical Muslim Groups:

While the outreach to the Muslim community by the State Department "is an honorable and worthwhile pursuit, the State Department has conducted outreach to the wrong groups, sending a terrible message to moderate Muslims who are thoroughly disenfranchised by the funding, hosting and embracing of radical groups that purport to be opposed to terrorism and extremism," Emerson wrote in his testimony further stressing the idea that the State Department's polices need to be reanalyzed in order to better select which Islamic organizations receive funding in order to promote peace and understanding.

It had never occurred to me until I read that, that our government has been, in essence, keeping the Moderate Muslims from talking by their embrace of the Radical Muslims here and abroad.

The disconnect seems pretty clear: I do believe Saylor doesn't condone terrorism, but I also believe he doesn't see Hamas or Hezballah as purveyors of terrorism.

It's a pervasive view in the Middle East. People there will disown terrorism while exalting Hamas, or more often Hezballah.

Also at the IP site:
Congress should investigate U.S. funding of the Palestinian Authority
According to the State Dept., the United States is "largest single state donor to the Palestinian Authority."

We have provided $562 million in total assistance in 2008, surpassing our pledged level of $555 million. This includes $264 million in project assistance through the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and the State Department's Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs (INL); $150 million in direct budget support - the largest single tranche for funds provided to the Palestinian Authority by a single donor country; and $148 million in contributions to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA).

The "international community" has contributed $920 million, of which the U.S. has paid 61% -- and that's only so far this year. There's also another BILLION dollars in signed "bilateral agreements" for development projects. What are the agreements? Where are they published?

As it was with Arafat, there seems to be no transparency whatsoever. What countries pledged how much and how much have they paid? And most important of all, WHERE DO THESE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS GO? ...

I demand that CAIR should STFU.

Can someone explain to me why the FBI hasn't investigated CAIR and shut the bastards down for being terrorist supporting monsters?

Hope they are used to handling disappointment.
Maybe they got confused and thought they were in Canada?

re: #14 Karridine

Not that, Mars, but IF/WHEN aberrations are discovered, we then have a legal, black-n-white REASON for blacklisting them and cutting off funds. He cautions explicitly that their responses can be lies...

I agree. I just found it ridiculous that a Dem would come up with the idea of a questionaire. I think we should make damn sure that we have all the evidence we need to get these bastards of the dole.

Your quote says it all:

"There is no Constitutional right to get recognition or funding from the State department..." Steve Emerson

re: #19 StudSupreme

Can someone explain to me why the FBI hasn't investigated CAIR and shut the bastards down for being terrorist supporting monsters?

Because the Bureau is busy being trained by them.

Too often I have read Islamic literature which describes Christians and Jews, for example, in semi-favorable terms. A few pages later, the same author describes disbelievers as "enemies of Islam." And how does the author define a disbeliever? Someone who does not recognize the "prophethood" of Muhammad or the supremacy of Islam! And around and around they go...

"Hey, Mahmood, is our support of Hizbullah going to get in the way of our grant from the US State Dhimmi Department?"

"No, Hafez, we'll just lie. It takes them YEARS to do their due diligence, and by then we'll have killed and maimed hundreds of kffir children and women, Insh'allah!"

"Heh! Yup. Allah'u'Akbar! Taqiyyah Forever!"

re: #22 lifeofthemind

Because the Bureau is busy being trained by them.

Hold your friends close - your enemies closer.

OT OT

but I think it's funny as hell, so I'll share it here.

Swedish Furniture Name Generator

Try it, I think you'll get a laugh.

re: #19 StudSupreme
With respect, read Emerson's story and testimony.
When one part of the United States Government funds you or, seemingly because of your efforts, funds the worst of the Islamic groups around, I think the FBI would rather quickly reach the conclussion that there would be no value in doing that.
I also think that Mr. Emerson has been far too kind not only to the State Department (he coulda and I wish he woulda said worse) he really sort let Congress off the hook, too.
And I also think Congressman Sherman really hit the nail on the head when he said

"I think one of the greatest fears of people in the United States is somebody may call you a racist...they may call you an Islamophobe," he said in the hearing. "And what we've seen with some of these organizations is their message is clear: ‘Give us money or we'll call you an Islamophobe'...that's what they say to the State Department. What they say to us in Congress is ‘Don't question the fact that we're getting money or we'll call you an Islamophobe.'"

Mr. Saylor- I can sum up your letter in just 4 words: It's the Jews fault.

You want to know why, MR Saylor, there is a (supposed) "ising tide of anti-Muslim rhetoric in our society"? Because of your fellow co-religionists. Why don't you and cair tackle them instead of Mr. Emerson?

Oh- that's right. That's not your real goal. Silly me.

re: #16 Cognito

Cognito, I don't know about that.

Have you gone back and read the information about what was transpiring in the hotel room in Philadelphia in 1993?

Spitz's comments were really well done. Hurray for Mark, Hurray for Mark!

re: #19 StudSupreme

I actually think they are a source for our intelligence community to follow money trails, and actually have some moles in there as well.

re: #19 StudSupreme

Can someone explain to me why the FBI hasn't investigated CAIR and shut the bastards down for being terrorist supporting monsters?

Hopefully because they are a rich intel source.

re: #27 realwest

Roger THAT:

"Dis a shaked0wn, Punk! PAY US or we'll shout 'Islamophobe' and 'You are a HOMOphobe' and 'YOU are RACIST!'"

re: #31 formercorpsman
and
re: #32 Syrah

Now if that isn't an example of two GMTA, I don't know what is!

re: #25 Bobibutu

Thank you.

We have not been attacked in our soil, in a major coordinated fashion, since 911.

Individual whackos, yes.

Al Quaeda, no.

re: #33 Karridine Absolutely. It is unsettling, to put it mildly, that our elected representatives can be had so easily.
Especially members of the House who have a brief two year window to accomplish something in Washington get themselves re-elected!

LGF is all about GMTA with the occasional food fight thrown in for fun.

re: #34 realwest

Hey Real.

I really do think it is the case.

We do a bit bitching here, but I think given 15-20 years, we are going to find out actually how aggressive we were behind the curtain.

Bush will cursed for quite a while.

I will bet it is not the case a decade from now.

re: #37 Syrah

Alright, I pleading ignorance.

GMTA?

re: #37 Syrah

LGF is all about GMTA with the occasional food fight thrown in for fun.

And don't forget the high fives.

re: #19 StudSupreme

Can someone explain to me why the FBI hasn't investigated CAIR and shut the bastards down for being terrorist supporting monsters?

My guess would be the influence of the House of Saud on our State Dept.

re: #39 formercorpsman

Alright, I pleading ignorance.

GMTA?

Great Minds Think Alike.

re: #19 StudSupreme

Can someone explain to me why the FBI hasn't investigated CAIR and shut the bastards down for being terrorist supporting monsters?

Believe it or not ... some of our gals and guys have actually read Tzu Sun, Boyd and Wilson r.e., 4GW and are applying the principals.

Another reason why we (when possible) capture vs. kill the ratbags.

re: #16 Cognito

The disconnect seems pretty clear: I do believe Saylor doesn't condone terrorism, but I also believe he doesn't see Hamas or Hezballah as purveyors of terrorism.

It's a pervasive view in the Middle East. People there will disown terrorism while exalting Hamas, or more often Hezballah.

Precisely why we should never have declared a war on a method of violence (War On Terror). It allows supporters of the enemy to simply define themselves out of the enemy camp.

re: #42 Syrah

Wow, it is late.

You get all the credit.

I didn't even know what it stood for.

re: #36 realwest

Absolutely. It is unsettling, to put it mildly, that our elected representatives can be had so easily.
Especially members of the House who have a brief two year window to accomplish something in Washington get themselves re-elected!

That's because they pay so much attention to re-election. Real oversight (as opposed to grandstanding) is often not noticed and doing too much of it can leave one labeled a "Do-Nothing".

re: #45 formercorpsman

I just hope that the FBI is on the same wavelength as you and I. It would be a real shame if Political Correctness prevents them from mining CAIR for intel.

Not Emerson, but another example of some of the problems Emerson deplores:
Egyptian Tourism Ad

re: #35 formercorpsman
Hey there my friend! I agree that the FBI has had something - perhaps quite a lot - to do with the lack of a major coordinated attack on US soil since 9/11, I also think that President Bush's actions in Afghanistan and then Iraq, have pretty well denied Al-Q the time and ability to sufficiently recruit, organize and train new operatives to pull something like that off - don't forget those murderous scumbags didn't just get together at a strip club one night and concoct the plan for 9/11. It was, by all accounts (except for the Troofers, of course) something which took a good deal of time, money, and training to pull off.
Kind of hard to orgainize and train when you're constantly on the run and the Number 2 and Number 3 "men" in Al-Q seem to need to be replaced every few months or so!

re: #47 Syrah

I actually know a couple of suites.

They are.

We have great talks.

re: #35 formercorpsman

Thank you.

We have not been attacked in our soil, in a major coordinated fashion, since 911.

Individual whackos, yes.

Al Quaeda, no.

I think W got it long ago. The C Man seems to be in line as well from the git go. - Comforting. I would kiss a Saudi as well. Heh!

Here Julius - hold this!

Tick tock.

re: #38 formercorpsman
"I will bet it is not the case a decade from now." Or considerably less if Obama is elected!

re: #50 realwest

Real, I forget what I was reading, but it had to do with tracing all the players going back to the 93 bombing.

It goes back a way.

Very interesting read.

Looking back, we became lazy.

re: #44 karmic_inquisitor
I too regret the use of the GWot terminology, but am curious as to what you would have called it instead?

re: #52 Bobibutu

I have wondered that as well.

I think a good bit of it is wedge.

Because in all honesty, they can't nationally fight there way out of a wet paper bag.

They were shitting their pants when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

I hate the images of hand shakes and kisses, but if it has another level to it, I can suffice.

"Muslims believe that Allah Almighty has created everything and that everything occurs according to His Will--what He wills happens; what He doesn't will doesn't happen. (...) He aids them [the Muslims] with strength and the angels descend to fight with them and to defend them against the plots of the disbelievers. (...) He breeches the disbelievers machinations to destroy the Muslims, even if it be atomic bombs or chemical weapons or other than that. They are all under Allah's will and control. (...) And it is well known that the Jihad against the hypocrites is not like the Jihad against the disbelievers, because Jihad against hypocrites is with knowledge and elucidation, while Jihad against the disbelievers is with the sword and the arrow."

--from Ibn Uthaiman in Fatawa Islamiyah: Islamic Verdicts, Volume 8, published by Darussalam, first edition November 2002.

Take it easy guys.

CAIR=Crafty Arab Islamic Racists

re: #54 formercorpsman

Real, I forget what I was reading, but it had to do with tracing all the players going back to the 93 bombing.

It goes back a way.

Very interesting read.

Looking back, we became lazy.

easy money from the 50's on. Thank you to all the troops who take up the slack and risk their lives doing so.

re: #49 ploome hineni
Hi Ploome! From your link:

The court filing gave no details, but in a telephone interview Horowitz said the factors included an alleged phone threat to Savage. Horowitz said he wasn't accusing the Islamic group of making threats, but said Savage didn't want to take the risk that the case could inspire a "lone nut" to try to harm his family.

I quite frankly that, despite denials to the contrary, Mr. Savage was indeed afraid for his family and himself. But it could also be that he just didn't have the time or extensive financial resources needed to force CAIR to open it's books without some degree of proof of what they'd done wrong to him - Judge likely wouldn't have let him go on a "fishing expedition" in CAIRs books to try to find that which he said they did - a legal technicallity but an important one.

OT:Full moon. Very purty.

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Full moon is tomorrow night.

re: #62 Killgore Trout

The crescent moon with the star above is better, you wallowing infidel!
/off- you all know who; all too well!

re: #58 formercorpsman
Good night and sleep well!

re: #63 Sharmuta

Huh, it's big and fat anyways.

re: #63 Sharmuta

Full moon is tomorrow night.

Note to self: Restrict he kids' sugar intake tomorrow.

re: #55 realwest

I too regret the use of the GWot terminology, but am curious as to what you would have called it instead?

For My part, I wish that we had declared a war on "Islamic Extremism."

This would have made any one who had sympathies with the "Islamic extremist" acknowledge that they had sympathies with "Islamic Extremist" and shared their goals if not their world view.

People generally don't like to think of themselves as extremist. It would have made it easier for us if we had provided in the terms we used a wedge that would have allowed secular Muslims to more easily separate themselves from the extremist.

But then . . . maybe I just dream . . .

re: #67 Gearhead

the, not he

re: #56 formercorpsman

I have wondered that as well.

I think a good bit of it is wedge.

Because in all honesty, they can't nationally fight there way out of a wet paper bag.

They were shitting their pants when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

I hate the images of hand shakes and kisses, but if it has another level to it, I can suffice.

With all the BS going on ya gotta trust your CIC has their sh*t together based on daily intel that we never see or hear.

All the rest is smoke and mirrors.

I remember my grade school teachers always lecturing us about getting good grades, honesty, and working hard at what ever we do. If we should not take this course of action then they would always mention that we would end up kissing rear ends at the State Department.

re: #67 Gearhead
LOL - Note to self - try to avoid reading or listening to the MSM's version of the news tomorrow!

re: #67 Gearhead

I make note of these things- things tend to come out of the woodwork.

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Huh, it's big and fat anyways.

Is it hitting you eye
like a big-a pizza pie?

If so, I can explain that.

Spent 15 minutes chewing over a post on Corsi and the thread died. As Jack Kennedy said, "Life is unfair."

O/T - how to defeat Islamization. Does "Charlemagne" have the answer?

re: #74 Occasional Reader

Is it hitting you eye
like a big-a pizza pie?

If so, I can explain that.

Whatever you do, don't get caught between it and New York City.

re: #75 lifeofthemind

I read it, I was going to comment that it's too bad it was so late in the thread. I did '+' you though. :)

re: #68 Syrah
"For My part, I wish that we had declared a war on "Islamic Extremism."

This would have made any one who had sympathies with the "Islamic extremist" acknowledge that they had sympathies with "Islamic Extremist" and shared their goals if not their world view.

People generally don't like to think of themselves as extremist. It would have made it easier for us if we had provided in the terms we used a wedge that would have allowed secular Muslims to more easily separate themselves from the extremist.

But then . . . maybe I just dream . . ."

I agree with you completely - and although it may be a dream, it's a very good one.
(sorry but my quote button doesn't want to work now!).

re: #76 DerKrieger

O/T - how to defeat Islamization. Does "Charlemagne" have the answer?

Not even in jest. How can you post such a thing here!

re: #75 lifeofthemind

I read it! nice post. I should go back and up ding.
Politics is replete with all kinds of uncomfortable alliances.
Stay tuned for more, with VP choices coming up.

re: #78 eastvillageinfidel

I read it, I was going to comment that it's too bad it was so late in the thread. I did '+' you though. :)

Gee thanks :-)

Cair probably also uses the term civilian loosely. There are none in Israel to them, they just are trying to avoid telling us that.

re: #70 Bobibutu
"With all the BS going on ya gotta trust your CIC has their sh*t together based on daily intel that we never see or hear."
Unless, of course, it's about Russia and Georgia. Cause if you support the CIC in that little dust-up, you will be accused of wearing rose-colored glasses.
(very obscure reference to a rather series of "debates" I had with other posters out here much earlier today).

Howard Dean Calls GOP The "White Party"

Lou Dobbs calls Dean "out of touch".

/that's got to hurt

On Belmont a couple of guys are calling for everyone to show solidarity with Georgia by running out and getting Georgian wine. Sounds like an excellent plan to me.

Someone there also pointed out that it is the anniversary of the Berlin Wall.
Class Discuss.

re: #75 lifeofthemind
Would that perchance be your #500? Where you said, inter-alia, "Corsi should be dismissed, the charges should be explored, hopefully with a more credible name attached. If the MSM focuses on the messenger we should just point out that it took the National Enquirer to get the Edwards story and that it is time for reputable organizations to start doing the work." ?!

re: #49 ploome hineni

Michael Savage Drops Suit Against Islamic Group

depressing

Not depressing. Savage was wrong about this, as he often is. He's occasionally brilliant, but often really stupid. We don't need that kind of help.

re: #55 realwest

I too regret the use of the GWot terminology, but am curious as to what you would have called it instead?

War Against Islamic Supremacists.

That would go to the real root of the issue... it would clearly name the central idea driving the conflict.

If the Muslim world freaked out, it would also show the depth of the problem, those who object would be tacitly supporting Islamic supremacy.

re: #84 realwest

RGR - and I trust you are doing well.

re: #85 Killian Bundy
I personally hope Howard Dean gets sued for medical malpractice by John Edwards.

Speaking of censorship...

Evening Lizards.

I'm coming out in favor of whirled peas, the hope of reuniting Gwondonaland, and changing the direction plate tectonics.

re: #87 realwest

Would that perchance be your #500? Where you said, inter-alia, "Corsi should be dismissed, the charges should be explored, hopefully with a more credible name attached. If the MSM focuses on the messenger we should just point out that it took the National Enquirer to get the Edwards story and that it is time for reputable organizations to start doing the work." ?!

Yes and my fingers still ache. Don't people get paid to do this?

re: #89 ploome hineni

It should be obvious that "we" are those fighting the war against Islamic Jihad. We are the lovers of freedom, the defenders of truth. In short, we are the Lizards.

I have no association with old glam rock bands, nor do I have problems with my shift key.

re: #95 jcm

Evening Lizards.

I'm coming out in favor of whirled peas, the hope of reuniting Gwondonaland, and changing the direction plate tectonics.

Always safe ":^)

Biden to speak at Democrat convention.

/they're going to have to add a couple more days

re: #98 Bobibutu

Always safe ":^)

If I added banning dihydrogen monoxide, I wonder how many signatures I could get at this weekends Hemp Fest in Seattle?

Hear about the Russkis bragging about the American weapons they liberated? Assault rifles. So? About 40 sniper rifles too (M 40s, .308 Rem 700). That hurts. The Georgians really did not fight worth a damn, except for air defense.
Navy....F
Airforce....F
Army......F
Air Defense.......C

By the way, America has no ground air defense outside of theatre. But we could. Our theatre weapons are pretty good. But that is what Star Wars is to cure. Of course Obama finds the idea of defending the populace of America from annihilation somehow wrong. He is a loon.

re: #99 Killian Bundy

Biden to speak at Democrat convention.

/they're going to have to add a couple more days

I gotta find a TV to watch it live - but the LM will probably have it here for our listening enjoyment with comments.

re: #94 ploome hineni

what is wrong with the post?

discussing real ways of dealing with the muslim agenda has become verboten?

Did I misread it or you? It has a weasely disclaimer at the end but basically calls for drawing up hit lists.

re: #90 stevieray Hmmm, War on Islamic Supremacists or War on Islamic Extremeism (h/t Syrah).
Well to be honest, I like both of them for the reason stated by Syrah and by you.
Since they are one and the same (Supremacists or Extremists) it's a tough choice to make, but I think your term is somewhat better because it would bring to light more quickly the connection between the Muslims who want world domination under the new Caliphate than would the term extremists, but that would get us there too.
Yeah, I prefer your term as it sorta hits 'em upside the head hard, fast and continuously. Syrah's getst to the same point, but may perhaps take just a little longer.
LOL!

re: #101 jcm

If I added banning dihydrogen monoxide, I wonder how many signatures I could get at this weekends Hemp Fest in Seattle?

Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide!

re: #89 ploome hineni

who is the we you represent?

or are you a QUeen?

"I feel pretty , oh so pretty!"

or the Killer Queen?

I prefer the latter. "She spoke to us like a Baroness."

OT......

Anyone caught this yet?

The Kung Fu pupils in the opening ceremony of the Olympics have spent the last year cooped up in a military camp outside Beijing. Conditions have been bad. "They weren't even given enough food," says their trainer. This news adds to the criticism of the Beijing Organizing Committee.

Viewers from around the globe marvelled at the Opening Ceremony last Friday. One of the most spectacular features was the martial arts display by 2008 pupils from the famous Shaolin Centre in Henan province. With coordinated movements, they showed the Tai Chi variant of Kung Fu; a popular way to relax for many Chinese people.

re: #103 ploome hineni

I guess trolls also have trouble distinguishing the editorial we from the plural. My mistake was not recognizing the troll for what it was. My bad.

Read the link. Savage was wrong on this one. Which does not mean I wouldn't love to see CAIR sued to a fair-thee-well.

I am being rung. the Baroness. BBL

re: #109 Syrah

Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide!

Never touch the stuff, do you know what fish do it that stuff?!

/Channeling WC Fields.

re: #101 jcm

If I added banning dihydrogen monoxide, I wonder how many signatures I could get at this weekends Hemp Fest in Seattle?

Damn! I'll sign it. Nasty stuff ... heh

let's hear it for P&T!

/

re: #91 Bobibutu I'm doing ok, thanks - just really tired tonight. Spent more time than usual "fistfighting" out here with others who had a different pov than mine regarding Russia/Georgia (can you believe that someone had a different pov than did I?! LOL!) and was submitted to ad hominen attacks so much that I had to resort to a FOAD.
Haven't used one of them in years! LOL

re: #117 ploome hineni

hi Pat

where are all the real posters?

About ready to go to sleep.
(I'm making a huge leap of an assumption here, re: my status as a "real" vs. "unreal" poster).

re: #118 realwest

I'm doing ok, thanks - just really tired tonight. Spent more time than usual "fistfighting" out here with others who had a different pov than mine regarding Russia/Georgia (can you believe that someone had a different pov than did I?! LOL!) and was submitted to ad hominen attacks so much that I had to resort to a FOAD.
Haven't used one of them in years! LOL

Was that the new fuel efficient Prius FOAD or the trusty old Chevy FOAD?

Good night ladies.

re: #15 realwest

The issue with most of the 'moderate' groups in the Muslim world is that they are already marginalized. There may very well be a plurality of moderate Muslims in any given Islamic majority nation, but they are not a 'group'.

To back a specific organization of 'moderate' Muslims, they usually have some kind of ulterior ideology instead of Islam which is what makes them moderate in the first place. The PLO, whom were pan-Arabist leftists were one such group, and the Arab ethnocentric socialists Ba'ath were another such 'moderate' group.

The PLO obviously transformed into a full blown Jihadi organization, and Ba'ath is all but shattered. Backing either of them didn't do much good for us regardless that they were not fully dedicated to the concept of a global Caliphate and eternal Jihad.

There are also the African and SE Asian synergistic animist/Islamic groups, but backing them for that oh so desirable Muslim street cred will do nothing, as they already have no credibility among most Muslim, as apostates.

I don't think we need to be sending money to that part of the world at all, as it is absolutely awash in fortune from oil, which practically none of goes to humanitarian aid in their own backyard. The dysfunctional societies of the Arabs is going to get fixed by throwing money at it.

It isn't just as easy as picking the the right group. Any group that has traction in that part of the world is going to have to have some kind of radical agenda to gain traction. For now it is far and away Islam. I'm sure the Ba'ath, and PLO and their ilk are still out there, but supporting wannabe Communist revolutionaries and National socialists is hardly a more desirable path.

Until the Arabs and the rest of the Muslim world start respecting life, and forgiving the corruption of their own brothers and their own leadership; until they stop blaming that corruption on the Jews and the West, no amount of money is going to help, and it needs to be cut off.

There is nothing about Arab culture that makes it immune to change, just resistant. There isn't anything inherently defective with Arabs themselves. Cut off the flow of the Jizya from the US and the rest of the world, and let them see that reprieve isn't coming from the ultra-wealthy Arabian Peninsula, and I have a feeling those Palestinians will learn how to take care of themselves and how to root out their corrupt, regressive leadership real fast.

Of course, they will be inundated in blood and fire before that happens, but it will burn itself out. Maybe when they figure out how to provide for themselves and they don't expect the Jews, and everyone else to do everything for them while simultaneously cursing their existence they will have a better grasp on the reality of who is holding them back and keeping them down. They also probably wouldn't have as much time to spend in the workshop making bomb vests and rockets if they didn't have their ridiculous 60%+ unemployment rate.

re: #116 ploome hineni

do you not understand...there is no way to stop the invasion and the muslim will STOP AT NOTHING

Ya know - it's like gangs - been around forever - we will never eliminate them but we can control them.

re: #108 realwest

I want to give the secular Muslims, such as we have heard about in Kosovo, support in rejecting Islam.

Small steps.

While Islam is by definition a supremacist theocratic ideology, many people who claim to be Muslim may not want any part of that, but are reluctant to reject Islam outright. For them, being Muslim is more about identity then about theology.

Apostasy is easier to sell in small steps rather then in leaps.

No ID thread tonight?

Well, I have to say I'm impressed with Sherman. We live in his district and believe me, he's as liberal as they come. We used to be represented by a republican, but then got gerrymandered into Sherman's territory. Since then every conservative vote in his district is basically nullified because they folded a small minority conservative group into a huge democratic one.

Way to go Sherman. I'll send you a thank you on your website.

re: #111 jcm

This year's Olympics are a moldy stain on the Committee's reputation. China is playing them almost like a fiddle, and the IOC is letting them. Heck, even Bela Karolyi is giving them grief about the age of the Chinese gymnasts!

re: #118 realwest

You of all people dropped a FOAD? Ha. I missed that.

re: #96 lifeofthemind
Well great post - sorry your fingers ache, but I've typed about ten times as much today and NO neither of us gets paid for it! LOL!

re: #121 ploome hineni

{touts}

/its depressing

{ploome}
Perhaps things will look better tomorrow. You seem not quite yourself.

re: #116 ploome hineni

do you not understand...there is no way to stop the invasion and the muslim will STOP AT NOTHING

That's a mighty broad brush you paint with there.

And I think lots of Kosovars would disagree with you.

re: #127 victor_yugo

I think the Olympics have been great so far. Best in a long time.

re: #125 rawmuse

No ID thread tonight?

The night is young.

re: #135 Syrah

The night is young.

Not here.

re: #136 reine.de.tout

Not here.

Well, I mean where I live.

re: #125 rawmuse

No ID thread tonight?

Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle.

Raptors Drop Ex in Guam.

Ooh, Bob finally got tired of Kitten Bill unilaterally gnawing on his head.

/put Bill in a headlock and gave him the "double back foot pump of death""

re: #132 ploome hineni

like where?

Where? I'll send you how. By request. Link on.

re: #97 clgood

It should be obvious that "we" are those fighting the war against Islamic Jihad. We are the lovers of freedom, the defenders of truth. In short, we are the Lizards.

I have no association with old glam rock bands, nor do I have problems with my shift key.

BRAVO!

lol

re: #125 rawmuse

No ID thread tonight?

What's wrong with an ego thread?
Or better yet a super-ego thread?

Why should ID get all the attention?

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Well, I mean where I live.

Here in the Great North Wet, we are having heat wave. It won't be cool enough to sleep for some hours.

re: #108 realwest

The problem with the "extremist" label is it's too easy to get into pointless arguments about, "What is extreme? Who defines it?" and other such post-modern junk. It gives the upper hand to those who define and redefine terms... the MSM and their buddies in academe.

"Supremacy" is harder to fudge. Those who think its Islam's destiny to run the world would be called to task directly.

re: #138 ploome hineni

I am myself, past few weeks, I hardly recognize any posters

They might be around earlier in the day.

re: #109 Syrah ROFL! Thanks for that one!

Excellent work--I've been an admirer of Steve Emerson since reading American Jihad years ago.

re: #146 Syrah

Here in the Great North Wet, we are having heat wave. It won't be cool enough to sleep for some hours.

No A/C? Mine is set on 65.

re: #147 stevieray

It is like Carlin said, those driving slower than you on the freeway are "idiots" and those driving slower are "maniacs".

re: #145 jcm

What's wrong with an ego thread?
Or better yet a super-ego thread?

Why should ID get all the attention?

Remember the "Monsters from the ID" in Forbidden Planet?

Egos don't stand a chance against them.

Driving faster = maniacs.
PIMF

3 PIMFs, I'm out. Niters.

re: #117 ploome hineni
"where are all the real posters?"
HEY! I resemble that remark!

re: #152 reine.de.tout

No A/C? Mine is set on 65.

No much in the Northwet when you would only need it a few days a year. Few people bother with AC.

Current Seattle temp 79° we hit a sweltering 94° today.

re: #152 reine.de.tout

No A/C? Mine is set on 65.

Summers are too short to fuss with AC.

Nine months of cold and three months of warm.

I try to remember the warm of the summer in the middle of winter. It is difficult.

re: #145 jcm

What's wrong with an ego thread?
Or better yet a super-ego thread?

Why should ID get all the attention?

Leggo my ego!

We went to Woodward for lunch today and saw the early dream cruisers. Its a pretty amazing event really. Thousands and thousands of classic cars all weekend long.

re: #151 ploome hineni

what are you babbling? where are muslims controlled?

Here we go again ploome - just ask privately ... and you will have a 4GW weapon. Up to you.

re: #125 rawmuse

STFU! ! !

re: #152 reine.de.tout

No A/C? Mine is set on 65.

You're kidding me.

That's not even a comfortable temperature.

re: #144 ploome hineni

and what makes you think Kosovars are smart, insightful or corrrect in their assessment of muslims?

Kosovars are historically known for what, discovery of penicillin?

the atom?

what?

Kosovo is a majority-Muslim nation. They welcome Jews and Christians, inviting them to join in a productive life.

Are you now going to declare that "they aren't really Muslims" just because they don't fit your declarations about Muslims?

re: #161 ploome hineni

97 here at 8 am

Seattle is weather wimp city. If it gets over 90 and under 35 you'd think the world was ending.

re: #157 jcm

re: #158 Syrah

My brother #2 lives in Vancouver WA. I talked to him today, temp there was hotter than it was here (Louisiana).

re: #159 ploome hineni

you sure do!

Hey! I am real!

re: #165 Occasional Reader

You're kidding me.

That's not even a comfortable temperature.

A/C is set on 65, so that it will be 70 in the house.

re: #164 LeePro

STFU! ! !

OK, when did I pee in your pool?

re: #167 ploome hineni

I don;t understand what you are writing

are you trying to be funny?

My nick has been blue for several posts - either take advantage of it or not.

re: #173 rawmuse

OK, when did I pee in your pool?

OOL

Notice there is no P in mine!

I would say it is about 75 here, Was about 82 today when I looked at lawn to mow. Grass can be stressed if mowed when it is too hot. And humans need hydration.

re: #171 ploome hineni

why would I want to ask privately?

you made a statement in this public forum, and you refuse to back it up!

where are muslims controlled?

PowerPoints do not work well being posted here.

re: #169 reine.de.tout

re: #158 Syrah

My brother #2 lives in Vancouver WA. I talked to him today, temp there was hotter than it was here (Louisiana).

What's the humidity, I don't mind warm, it's humid that I don't like.

re: #124 Syrah Syrah, I have a hard time arguing against "While Islam is by definition a supremacist theocratic ideology, many people who claim to be Muslim may not want any part of that, but are reluctant to reject Islam outright. For them, being Muslim is more about identity then about theology." [emphasis added, realwest]
However, the idea to a Muslim who is muslim by identity not theology, I find it hard to understand:
"Apostasy is easier to sell in small steps rather then in leaps."
Why sell Apostasy at all? If groups of Muslims are, essentially, Muslim in name only and identify with Islam purely in a societal framework (identity) than there ought to be no reason to "convert them" to another religion, i.e., make them apostates.

Leepro shares a point that actually has merit to many of us.

re: #173 rawmuse

OK, when did I pee in your pool?

lol!

just meant we don't need no steenkin' ID thread!

51 degress here in Golden, Co. Even colder up the hill.

re: #178 jcm

What's the humidity, I don't mind warm, it's humid that I don't like.

78 degrees right now, 83% humidity. I need the A/C for humidity, even when outside temp is OK.

re: #179 ploome hineni

what a joke

as I said before, you made a statement in this PUBLIC forum, why would you think I want any private anything

You may want to do something vs. rhetoric.

re: #180 ploome hineni

I still have no idea what you are writing

And there in lies the risk - are you willing to make a difference?

re: #188 Bobibutu

And there in lies the risk - are you willing to make a difference?

Well, I'm curious. Is the blue nic just fo rPloome?

re: #180 ploome hineni

I still have no idea what you are writing

And you're obviously not interested in finding out.

You just want to pick fights.

re: #189 reine.de.tout

Well, I'm curious. Is the blue nic just fo rPloome?

All comers!

re: #95 jcm

Evening Lizards.

I'm coming out in favor of whirled peas, the hope of reuniting Gwondonaland, and changing the direction plate tectonics.

.....STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT!

re: #128 mich-again
Mich, I'm surprised at you! Really! You've been around long enough to remember when no one in a thread didn't say FOAD (albeit, usually preceeded by a "STFU and").
Gee, and to think this used to be a tough blog - wear your hazmat suits was the caution usually proscribed to new hatchlings.

re: #191 Bobibutu

All comers!

sent

re: #196 ploome hineni

do you know what it is talking about?

Not yet. I'll find out soon. Some sort of powerpoint presentation.

CAIR is EVIL. It represents no religion or people. It is an entity derived from an apocalyptic brand of Islamism that has taken root in the US thanks to petrobucks. It has hoodwinked nobody, even those hoodwinked. Everyone, even CAIR's "defenders" know that CAIR is a oil-funded love-child of the Muslim Brotherhood and a motley crew of malcontents, most barely off the plane carrying them to America before setting up shop to legally and otherwise bring sharia to the US. By all standards but those of jihadis, they should have been shut down long ago. They are not civil rights organization. They are simply an Islamist supremacist entity whose goal is to make the US accommodating to sharia. When will this dawn on Americans?

re: #182 pat

Leepro shares a point that actually has merit to many of us.

I did?

re: #195 reine.de.tout

sent

Ah Queen of Everything - who knew.

I await your review!

re: #197 reine.de.tout

Not yet. I'll find out soon. Some sort of powerpoint presentation.

Then do it and tell Ploome. Ploome has commented more than once here that she will not follow links because she has had a few close calls with computer contagion.
Although Ploome, the website i write for DBKP is OK. (shameless plug)

re: #199 Purple Prose

Yup

re: #197 reine.de.tout

It was starting to look like a 'red pill or blue pill' type of moment. Let us know if any of this really exists. :)

re: #202 Bobibutu

Ah Queen of Everything - who knew.

I await your review!

It has not arrived. I think there are problems with replying to e-mails I send thru here.
I will e-mail you again - use the address I give you in the email.

re: #181 realwest

The reason is that while some may today consider themselves to be for Identity purposes "Muslim" they may have a change of heart at a later time.

Orthodox Islam is extreme.

Coaxing Muslims away from Islam altogether is the only way to attack Islam for long term success.

People want to change their minds of their own accord, or at least, it is important to them to not feel cajoled or forced.

By allowing them the choice to disassociate with Islam without insulting them in the process, we may have more success in getting them to reject Islam outright in time.

re: #129 ploome hineni
"FOAD is not ad hominem, it is a curse" yes, I know that ploome - you only beat me to registration because I was in the hospital at the time; we've essentially been out here together as long as each other has been. So yes, I do know what FOAD means.
And at the time that I said it, and the poster to whom I said it, I meant it.
You're just a better person than I am.

Good Morning Early Lizards! It was another pleasant Fox Valley Day. (Southern Middle Part of the Valley).

the Penn & Teller vid a few posts down was a hoot! I love those guys.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Oh, its the FNDT, isn't it? I have fresh coffee.

re: #207 reine.de.tout

I have never made it work for me. But I am a dullard in that department.

re: #211 pat

I have never made it work for me. But I am a dullard in that department.

It works sometimes for me.
He got my e-mail - I just didn't get his.

re: #199 Purple Prose

Maybe it is easier to watch those who aren't hiding. Perhaps loud, obnoxious, pointing and yelling would make surveillance more difficult. Let the rats become tame, and fat, and slothful. follow them to their holes......The wary are hard to watch. Give "peace" a chance.

re: #147 stevieray
Hmm, well I have to say, my friend stevieray, that I think you and Syrah should fight that out amongst yourselves and get back to me when I'm not already falling asleep on the keyboard!

I bought my wife Fillet Mignon for tomorrow nite. She will be very happy. That is her favorite in the whole world. Of course there must be Bearnaise sauce. She is out of town today. At beach with girl friend.

re: #217 realwest

Hmm, well I have to say, my friend stevieray, that I think you and Syrah should fight that out amongst yourselves and get back to me when I'm not already falling asleep on the keyboard!

Uh oh... I didn't know I was fightin' with Syrah! I should really pay more attention!

I should get artichokes

re: #213 ploome hineni

there is only islam

and then others who are muslim in name only, until threatened and coerced

and can and do, turn on a dime

We can look at the conflict as one that can only be fought with bludgeons, guns and bombs, or we can look at it as one where words and persuasion can help us in its course.

Between now and the moment that we will have to come to blows with them, we can try to weaken their resolve and to turn them to our side.

Warfare is a multidimensional.

re: #219 pat

I bought my wife Fillet Mignon for tomorrow nite. She will be very happy. That is her favorite in the whole world. Of course there must be Bearnaise sauce. She is out of town today. At beach with girl friend.

re: #220 ploome hineni

gosh

invite touts and me

yes, please!

re: #212 ploome hineni

he refuses to answer a simple question based on a statement he made, which I believe is unsupportable

and he needs to post some 'power point' thingie because he obviously is unable or unwilling to present his position in his own words

so geniuses like yugo consider me asking for clarification as 'picking a fight'

idiots and morons

As you said in your #129:

I prefer direct insults...

So far, you're batting 1.000

re: #198 ploome hineni

obviously not with you

/trying (sucessfully) to ignore for loooooooooong time

Your #144 above puts the lie to that.

You state, in so many words, that Kosovars are just a bunch of stupid Eastern Europeans, and WTF do we care what happens to them...

You question my own intelligence for putting some credence in a longer-than-usual report from an independent journalist who actually went to Kosovo, talked to people, and offered candid street scenes images to go with his words...

You chase that with your sarcastic "genius" comment in your #212 (but really, you're calling me "idiot and moron"), as I'm typing this, no less...

You say similar about Bobibutu, who offered to have a more focused, less length-restricted conversation with you about the evolution of conflict and where it stands today...

Basically, anyone who disagrees with whatever words you try to put in their mouths, you deem worthy of nothing but your wrath. You show no interest in taking another look at whatever you're talking about; you prefer just to simmer in your own prejudices, while you accuse others of being prejudiced against you, whether they are or not.

(Oh, and you get to define what qualifies as "prejudiced against you," but you also reserve to yourself the right to define what is prejudice against others.)

re: #138 ploome hineni
Good be the time of day, ploome. We have had a large number of "regular" lizard posters who no longer post here (either by choice or because they were banned) and we have acquired a large number of relative newbies. As usual, the moonbat or troll or moby newbies reveal themselves and Charles gives 'em the stick or we just fist fight with them verbally. Some of those moonbats are actually "moderate" in that if you ask them for proof or supporting links to assertions they are making, they actually try to do so. But, moderate or not they are still moonbats and fail to give such supporting back up or links and are usually fairly quickly dispatched - especially the more nasty of them. Charles has been swinging the stick pretty well the last few weeks.

gone upstairs ------------->

I hear the drinks are cheaper there.

re: #221 stevieray

We are not fighting.

At least, I did not think so.

Yours is a valid argument. I don't believe that gentle words alone will win the day.

I hear that "good cop / bad cop" can be quite effective.

It may have a place in the conflict with Islam.

Bobbitu - are you still here?

re: #226 victor_yugo

Your #144 above puts the lie to that.

You state, in so many words, that Kosovars are just a bunch of stupid Eastern Europeans, and WTF do we care what happens to them...

You question my own intelligence for putting some credence in a longer-than-usual report from an independent journalist who actually went to Kosovo, talked to people, and offered candid street scenes images to go with his words...

You chase that with your sarcastic "genius" comment in your #212 (but really, you're calling me "idiot and moron"), as I'm typing this, no less...

You say similar about Bobibutu, who offered to have a more focused, less length-restricted conversation with you about the evolution of conflict and where it stands today...

Basically, anyone who disagrees with whatever words you try to put in their mouths, you deem worthy of nothing but your wrath. You show no interest in taking another look at whatever you're talking about; you prefer just to simmer in your own prejudices, while you accuse others of being prejudiced against you, whether they are or not.

(Oh, and you get to define what qualifies as "prejudiced against you," but you also reserve to yourself the right to define what is prejudice against others.)

BRAVO! ! !²

DING!

re: #231 ploome hineni

and what are you talking about?

prejudice against me, moi?

never

I think you forgot a /sarc in there. Because you have done exactly that, with me.

re: #230 reine.de.tout

Bobbitu - are you still here?

RGR

re: #199 Purple Prose
Ah, most of your post I understood (my meds have kicked in so the problems of understanding I may be having are more of my own making) but I don't get this: "It has hoodwinked nobody, even those hoodwinked."

re: #234 Bobibutu

RGR

sent another e-mail, have questions.

re: #201 LeePro Sure! In your #143!

BTW, how are you doing, dental wise?

re: #194 realwest

Mich, I'm surprised at you! Really! You've been around long enough to remember when no one in a thread didn't say FOAD (albeit, usually preceeded by a "STFU and").

Ah, the good old days! *sigh*

re: #237 realwest

Fair. Still no good red meat!

Thanks for asking.

re: #218 ploome hineni
NO, ploome - ad hominen is when you call someone a nasty name as a response to a question put to you in a discussion - e.g., "Ploome I think you're wrong about that because of x" Ploome " OH bullshit, you're just drunk and don't know what you're talking about!"
THAT would have been an ad hominen attack on me by you.
And that's the kind of attack leveled at me today a few times, one of which I responded to with a FOAD.

Usually achieves the same result as GAZE but is occasionally more satisfying than GAZE!

re: #221 stevieray
You're not fighting with Syrah - you and she simply have a disagreement about a definition. That's not a fight!
Geez.

ATTENTION Lizards reading this thread:

I have incorrectly accused ploome hineni of having once put words in my mouth. I believed that to be the case from this thread.

I spoke (typed) improperly. She did no such thing to me there. A couple did, but she was not one of them.

Having accused her in public, I now publicly withdraw the accusation.

And I, on my knees, with head bowed, beg her forgiveness.

Back in the day, FOADs used to fly, like the wind-driven snow. It was a sight to behold.

re: #242 LeePro
Well glad to hear the "fair" part, but not the "red meat" part!
Hope things improve rapidly for you!

re: #247 ploome hineni

Please. I wrongly accused you. And I do not beg lightly.

re: #246 Cartman
Ah, thank you Cartman!
Do you think that means ploome isn't a better person than I am?!

I'd strongly advise you against answering that!

re: #249 victor_yugo
"And I do not beg lightly."
That's heavy dude, really heavy!
;')

re: #250 realwest

Not sure I understand the question, my friend.

Well it's been grand as usual all y'all but I gotta get some sleep. Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

re: #252 realwest

You're not helping!

re: #253 Cartman
Sigh, I keep trying to get some sleep and they keep dragging me back in! LOL!
Somewhere up thread, when I shocked Mich-agan by saying I told a pain-in-the-ass poster to FOAD after having suffered numerous ad hominen attacks by such poster, Ploome said she'd never wish FOAD on anyone and I said she was a better person than I am.

Now, my good friend, I'm off to sleep!

re: #247 ploome hineni

An apology is always in order.

A little too formal for LGF, but still perfectly reasonable.

re: #251 ploome hineni

I will take that as a good, or at least a not-as-bad-as-it-could-have-been, thing for me.

I am sorry. And if I get no chance to apologize to you, in person, in this life, perhaps in the next.

re: #257 thelongblogger

As I said, I accused her in public, therefore I need to apologize in public.

Just last week, Saylor played word games rather than directly address Hamas and Hizballah terror in an interview on FOX News:

Corey Saylor: I'm telling you in a very clear fashion – CAIR condemns terrorist acts, whoever commits them, wherever they commit them, whenever they commit them.

David Lee Miller: That's not the same thing as saying you condemn Hamas and you condemn Hizballah.

Corey Saylor: Well I recognize that you don't like my answer to the question, but that's the answer to the question.

This wordplay emerged as a strategy between 911 & 7/7 (after which it flourished among the many CAIR like groups invited to give comment to the media).

Many Islamists are unfamiliar or uncomfortable with the rules governing outright lying (al-Taqiyya) in the name of Islam. Maybe they are just too proud.

When asked to condemn "terrorism", they can hardly say "no", so they say "yes".

Their fellow Islamists know that the "terrorism" they are condemning are the actions of America, Israel & the West.

It's appreciated that they do not mean Hamas or Hexbollah, which they all see as "resistance".

Interviewers that know their shit, recognise the strategy and push them on specifics, which results in debates like the above.

re: #235 realwest

Ah, most of your post I understood (my meds have kicked in so the problems of understanding I may be having are more of my own making) but I don't get this: "It has hoodwinked nobody, even those hoodwinked."

There seem to be many on the Left who are perfectly aware of the Islamist agenda and know what CAIR is about, yet accept them and even indulge them. Not only on the Left, but also on the Right. The Bush admin. has not been innocent in this, even though they know better, obviously.

The Left has its own additional reasons for looking the other way at the CAIR agenda: they wish nothing more than to just weaken the status quo, no matter what that means for the future. This is to be expected, I suppose.

The fact that those with more commonsense have not shut down the nakedly subversive and pro-sharia CAIR and its myriad sister organizations is just shows how everyone is very afraid of offending CAIR's petrodollar-soaked benefactors, appearing politically incorrect and, yes, even the threat of violence, as many, including Michael Savage, have learned accompanies any challenge to Islamists.

For "the rules" on taqiyya, do the following (I won't direct link from here):

--open a new browser window or tab
--go to [www] [dot] [al-islam] [dot] [org]
--click on "Browse library" near upper-right
--click on the first entry in the list, "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia". It will open in a new tab or window.
--scroll down in the left frame, about 3/4 of the way, to "Chapter 6b: Al-Taqiyya/Dissimulation".
--Click on "Part i". The article will appear in the largest frame.

I have shared this page with many people, to show them why basically every non-Arabic word to come out of Arafish's mouth was a lie, and CAIR et al. continue the pattern. From what I can tell, the author pulls no punches.

CAIR is nothing more than a front for extremist Arab interests. Its membership is down to a low four figures, and its financing originates in the Arab Middle East.

So why does the press report their pronouncements on bended knee? Only Michael Bloomberg, who put CAIR's general counsel on his NYC "Human Rights" Commission, is as stupid!

re: #16 Cognito

The disconnect seems pretty clear: I do believe Saylor doesn't condone terrorism, but I also believe he doesn't see Hamas or Hezballah as purveyors of terrorism.

It's a pervasive view in the Middle East. People there will disown terrorism while exalting Hamas, or more often Hezballah.

No, Cognito, there's no disconnect; it's a matter of semantics. Saylor et al define "terrorism" as acts performed by Jews. Any act performed by Muslims is labeled "self defense".

re: #3 Mars Needs Neocons

Sorry, accidental ding on that one :(

It is remarkable how consistent the policies are through various organizations. A person familiar with the machinations of governments and the MSM recently pointed out that 90% of Pakistani immigrants in Canada do not attend any mosque. They are well represented by various social and professional organizations that are receptive to most media inquires and are always willing to assist in having the story of their communities told.

And they are almost universally ignored while media and governments pander to extremists.

Emerson: You're a bunch of assholes.
CAIR: Apologize!
Emerson: I'm sorry you're a bunch of assholes.