The vast stretch of a blank thread!

Bwahahahaha !

+1

yes, we might all become fissile fossils

Damn. There is that damn 'fossil' talk again.

Fossil. Nice watches.

re: #3 Orbit Rain

My birthday's rapidly approaching : fossilization seems more & more like a real possibility.

Before I obsessed on the death of stars, I obsessed about ancient reptiles. It was a pattern that would remain with me until decent rock and roll was invented. Careening from one study to the next.

Obama catches some waves at Sandys on Hawaii vacation

U.S. Sen. Barack Obama showed off pretty good local-boy form slicing through the waves at Sandy Beach yesterday as his motorcade toured the Ka Iwi shoreline of O'ahu.

Obama's tan line clearly revealed that he hadn't taken off his shirt in the sun in a while. But he confidently dived into the waves shortly after 11 a.m. and ripped through what can sometimes be treacherous waves at Sandy's.

A Secret Service agent asked Honolulu lifeguards about the 2- to 3-foot surf conditions and requested that a lifeguard accompany the Democratic senator into the water, "which we obliged," said Bryan Cheplic, spokesman for the city's emergency services department.

Obama caught five waves in 30 minutes, Cheplic said.

/in tomorrow's coverage, Obama takes a dump

I wonder what kind of poetry foul language is?

Language is fossil poetry.

— Ralph Waldo Emerson

Poetry is facile language.

I'm a poet and didn't know it!
- Nah youse was speaking prose all the time without being told.

ODE TO A FOSSIL

I used to sit and recollect
My youthful days of fun.
When all my joints were lithe and limber,
Did I say all? Nay, all but one.

Now, I can no longer recollect
my youthful days of fun.
And all my joints are stiff and rigid.
Did I say all?

Nay,

All but one.

Enough with the creationist articles already.

re: #11 rawmuse

Was that for Nancy Pelosi?

Iran's fissile plans shall fizzle before our facile fossils.

OR

Old age and craft shall always defeat youth and enthusiasm.

Yeah, has anyone on this thread actually read Ralph Waldo Emerson?

/sarc

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, has anyone on this thread actually read Ralph Waldo Emerson?

/sarc

Not since Ford was President.

re: #13 Wyatt Earp

Same thing, only with Botox.

good night every one

Fashion Designers Hope to Stitch Up an Obama Win

Now it is enthusiastically and abundantly about style. The Barack Obama campaign, which has been actively courting the fashion industry, has coordinated some 20 or so designers who are creating official merchandise for the candidate's Web site. It is the first time, as far as Seventh Avenue long-timers can recall, that a quorum of the fashion industry has organized its financial resources and creative energy around a single presidential candidate.

The mix, available online next month, ranges from T-shirts to tote bags and will lend a bit of runway panache to the Obama brand. The list of participating designers, which includes Derek Lam, Isaac Mizrahi, Tracy Reese, Charles Nolan and Diane von Furstenberg, covers the full spectrum of the market, from high-end to inexpensive. Other names have been bandied about but not confirmed: Beyoncé, Russell Simmons, Michael Bastian, Vera Wang.

/this isn't France, is this France?

re: #12 ColKurtz

Enough with the creationist articles already.

Thou flirtest with Stinky!

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, has anyone on this thread actually read Ralph Waldo Emerson?

/sarc

We all have. At least a little of him ...

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.” ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, in Self-Reliance

...

Language is fossil poetry.

Okay. What the f*ck is this supposed to mean?

re: #16 lifeofthemind

Not since Ford was President.

About the same for me.

I went to Emerson elementary school.

"Good Morning Early Lizards! It was another pleasant Fox Valley Day. (Southern Middle Part of the Valley).

the Penn & Teller vid a few posts down was a hoot! I love those guys.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Oh, its the FNDT, isn't it? I have fresh coffee."

I just posted that downstairs, and now there is a new thread. Murphy was my ancestor.

re: #20 rawmuse

Thou flirtest with Stinky!

Verily, if he dost, 'tis a slothful flirt, to have summoned but 44 musings in 45 months!

Just a thought: Greta van Sustern is a tedious pain in the ass. I can not believe she gets paid real money to do what she does.

Creation!

re: #8 Killian Bundy

Speaking of him.

You know that JFK wannabe pose of him in the ocean? Do you think that was photoshopped? I can't put that chest with what I see on the news in the suit that looks like it needs a real hanger.

I think he looks gaunt and, quite frankly, ill.

re: #28 Capitalistincharge

woof!

/greta speak

re: #26 ggt

Oh, its the FNDT, isn't it?

Friday Night Datura Thread ?

re: #27 Opilio

I gave you an up-ding for remaining in character on that one. Well done.

Rennaissance Fest in your neighborhood?

re: #32 Temujin

guess again!

;)

Language is fossil poetry.

Us pre-historical types call it hieroglyphics.

;)

re: #34 ploome hineni

I found one of these in my BBQ grill today

What did it taste like, you use a dry rub or marinade?

3:00 a.m.

/in France

re: #28 Capitalistincharge

But she is tenacious and has turned out to be a sympathetic and important figure in uncovering poor investigations. And she is willing to credit good police work. It is not my cup of tea, but god forbid if a young woman goes missing and the cops get lazy.

re: #33 Noam Sayin'

I gave you an up-ding for remaining in character on that one. Well done.

Rennaissance Fest in your neighborhood?

It sets up shop at the edge of town each Feb/Mar. The kids loved it when they were wee ones. They're not so wee anymore.

re: #8 Killian Bundy

I watched the clips of ZerObama "slicing through the waves".....his body surfing style is a reflection of his whole campaign. All form, no function. The extended arm is not just for show but really another panning surface to lift the body even further out of the water.
Trust me, I know these things.

NObama!

I just got here, but I think they are firing up the BBQ downstairs.

re: #42 IslandLibertarian

I watched the clips of ZerObama "slicing through the waves".....his body surfing style is a reflection of his whole campaign. All form, no function. The extended arm is not just for show but really another panning surface to lift the body even further out of the water.
Trust me, I know these things.

NObama!

N∅b☭m➑

And what poetry indeed: Akhmatova, Pasternik, Yeats, Longfellow, Blake, Wilde. The list goes on and on and I have a library full of them all.

I was re: #39 Killian Bundy

Speaking of Fwance (not really), Jimmah seems to be quiet on the Russian/Georgian situation. Or, am I just not paying attention?

Vogon Poetry

/like Jerry Lewis, popular in France

re: #42 IslandLibertarian

I watched the clips of ZerObama "slicing through the waves".....his body surfing style is a reflection of his whole campaign. All form, no function. The extended arm is not just for show but really another panning surface to lift the body even further out of the water.
Trust me, I know these things.

NObama!

But he had the back arm dragging like a broken wing. It should have been tucked for balance and protection, particularly at Sandy's. He look like did it before, but was never good. But he is a good athlete.

re: #46 ggt

Too close to election, they have him locked down so he can't screw it up.

re: #16 lifeofthemind

re: #21 Temujin

My remark was sarcastic, completely facetious. It was a callback to a post on an earlier thread. Thud.

re: #34 ploome hineni

I found one of these in my BBQ grill today

A male ?

Hey Buzzsawmonkey, et al: Poetry is the lowest form of humor, said the poet to the punster, said the punster to the poet, poetry is verse!.

re: #54 ploome hineni

......so what do you all think?

Obama has some 'on the side' somewhere?

you think he is stepping out?

Michelle would go all Lorena on him.

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, has anyone on this thread actually read Ralph Waldo Emerson?

/sarc

He had a lot to say on just about everything under the sun.

re: #54 ploome hineni

Yeah right. Michelle has his dick in a box and pulls it out when it suits her.

Bobbitized.

re: #34 ploome hineni

I found one of these in my BBQ grill today

I met one of these last weekend on the underside of the lid to the pool skimmer basket. I'm not sure who startled who (whom?) more.

We had a choice. Emerson or Walden. and Why?

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh. Now I get it.

Ignore previous message....

re: #60 ploome hineni

not too often, I would think

Only when he makes her proud.

re: #41 Opilio

It sets up shop at the edge of town each Feb/Mar. The kids loved it when they were wee ones. They're not so wee anymore.

Ah, but it's great to fantasize now and then at these events.....knights, horses, armor...what's not to like? Not to mention, great "stuff" to load up your home with....

re: #50 Tarkus289

ah!

re: #55 ploome hineni

hahahah

I did not get close enough to see

I screamed and ran

Poor little guy.

Lookin' for love in all the wrong places --

re: #42 IslandLibertarian

I watched the clips of ZerObama "slicing through the waves".....his body surfing style is a reflection of his whole campaign. All form, no function. The extended arm is not just for show but really another panning surface to lift the body even further out of the water.
Trust me, I know these things.

NObama!

He'd last about 12 seconds at The Wedge in Newport! Wave meat, fer sure.

"Will you walk into my parlor?" said the spider to the fly;
"'Tis the prettiest little parlor that ever you may spy.
The way into my parlor is up a winding stair,
And I have many curious things to show when you are there."
"Oh no, no," said the little fly; "to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair can ne'er come down again."
"I'm sure you must be weary, dear, with soaring up so high.
Well you rest upon my little bed?" said the spider to the fly.
"There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
And if you like to rest a while, I'll snugly tuck you in!"
"Oh no, no," said the little fly, "for I've often heard it said,
They never, never wake again who sleep upon your bed!"

Said the cunning spider to the fly: "Dear friend, what can I do
To prove the warm affection I've always felt for you?
I have within my pantry good store of all that's nice;
I'm sure you're very welcome - will you please to take a slice?
"Oh no, no," said the little fly; "kind sir, that cannot be:
I've heard what's in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!"

"Sweet creature!" said the spider, "you're witty and you're wise;
How handsome are your gauzy wings; how brilliant are your eyes!
I have a little looking-glass upon my parlor shelf;
If you'd step in one moment, dear, you shall behold yourself."
"I thank you, gentle sir," she said, "for what you're pleased to say,
And, bidding you good morning now, I'll call another day."

The spider turned him round about, and went into his den,
For well he knew the silly fly would soon come back again:
So he wove a subtle web in a little corner sly,
And set his table ready to dine upon the fly;
Then came out to his door again and merrily did sing:
"Come hither, hither, pretty fly, with pearl and silver wing;
Your robes are green and purple; there's a crest upon your head;
Your eyes are like diamond bright, but mine are dull as lead!"

Alas, alas! how very soon this silly little fly,
Hearing his wily, flattering words, came slowly flitting by;
With buzzing wings she hung aloft, then near and nearer grew,
Thinking only of her brilliant eyes and green and purple hue,
Thinking only of her crested head. Poor, foolish thing! at last
Up jumped the cunning spider, and fiercely held her fast;
He dragged her up his winding stair, into the dismal den -
Within his little parlor - but she ne'er came out again!

And now, dear little children, who may this story read,
To idle, silly flattering words I pray you ne'er give heed;
Unto an evil counselor close heart and ear and eye,
And take a lesson from this tale of the spider and the fly.

re: #65 Russkilitlover

and NO moonbats. One lady told me that there were guys at the gates to deal with them.

re: #54 ploome hineni

......so what do you all think?

Obama has some 'on the side' somewhere?

you think he is stepping out?

Michelle won't let him.

re: #53 Russkilitlover

Hey Buzzsawmonkey, et al: Poetry is the lowest form of humor, said the poet to the punster, said the punster to the poet, poetry is verse!.

I loves me a good pun. And that one too.

re: #38 jcm

Heh, heh, you wrote "dry rub."

Attention ploome hineni:

In a few minutes, there will be a comment on the previous thread. It is important that you see it.

I will begin typing it right now, as soon as I post this.

re: #14 lifeofthemind

Iran's fissile plans shall fizzle before our facile fossils.

OR

Old age and craft shall always defeat youth and enthusiasm.

Fabulous fossils are often found in fissile shale.

(Really)

re: #71 jcm

If were earlier in the day, I'd try to figure the PC version of this story. The Spider would end-up the poorly understood victim and the fly the evil antagonizer.

re: #29 jcm

Way cool, that was fun to watch.

I saw the hugest female Black Widow in a nest by my porch. I kept it for a pet. Then one day I was watching a special on them on the Discovery Channel. Sheeesh. I went to kill the devil. of course she was watching too. Gone. She was there that afternoon. She greeted me when i came home. But gone.I knew where she went. I knew from the show.To the highest point of the house to send her damn little poisonous minions all over the place. I tented the house.

re: #82 ploome hineni

/lol

Quick, run over there, now! You know you want to.

Star Trek warp drive is a possibility, say scientists

All this extraordinary feat requires, says the new study, is for scientists to harness a mysterious and poorly understood cosmic antigravity force, called dark energy.

Dark energy is thought responsible for speeding up the expansion rate of our universe as time moves on, just like it did after the Big Bang, when the universe expanded much faster than the speed of light for a very brief time.

/g force, human jello

re: #75 Wyatt Earp

Heh, heh, you wrote "dry rub."

How's the mean streets of Philly these days?

Here in WA we're putting trash back on the street.

Mathers has been committing sex crimes since he was 20 years old when he raped two young girls and a boy. In 1980 and 1981, he twice escaped from work release and stabbed and raped two women.

re: #25 Tarkus289

I went to Emerson elementary school.

I also went to an elementary school named after a poet. Her name was Pauline Johnson, and she was an aboriginal Canadian (i.e. Indian) who wrote poetry in the late 19th or early 20th century, IIRC.

re: #86 Killian Bundy

Star Trek warp drive is a possibility, say scientists

/g force, human jello

Cap'n the inertial dampers are failing!

Just read on another thread Mama Winger got he stick. Anyone here know why?

re: #71 jcm

There was an old lady who swallowed a fly.
She swallowed a spider to catch the fly,
She swallowed a bird to catch the spider.
She swallowed a cat to catch the bird
She swallowed a dog to catch the cat
She swallowed a horse to catch the dog
She's dead, of course!

Can't recall all the refrains and stanzas. But I have always loved this chant.

re: #91 Russkilitlover

There was an old lady who swallowed a fly.
She swallowed a spider to catch the fly,
She swallowed a bird to catch the spider.
She swallowed a cat to catch the bird
She swallowed a dog to catch the cat
She swallowed a horse to catch the dog
She's dead, of course!

Can't recall all the refrains and stanzas. But I have always loved this chant.

LOL! I haven't heard that one in ages.

re: #88 Alberta Oil Peon

I did not know who my school's namesake was until I was much older.

Mahalo - Damn, no obama bodysurfing thread.Nice form, but forgot his Scott's

Get your bedding now!

re: #9 Wyatt Earp

I wonder what kind of poetry foul language is?

Trust me. There are Things Man Was Not Meant To Know.

For instance, remember "Wynken, Blynken, and Nod" by Eugene Field?

He had some slightly more adult poems as well:

PARODY ON THE OLD OAKEN BUCKET
EUGENE FIELD

How dear to my heart is the oldfashioned harlot
When fond recollection presents her to view,
The madam, the whorehouse, and beer by the carlot,
And e'en the delight of the oldfashioned screw.

You may talk as you like of these new innovations
Imported from France and of which I've heard tell,
But give me the natural, carnal sensations
Of the oldfashioned harlot whose surname was Belle.

(snip)

It goes rapidly downhill from there. He also had one entitled "Socratic Love" that featured what Socrates did to his friend Alcibiades. Suffice it to say it's something that would be appreciated on Folsom St.

re: #91 Russkilitlover

There was an old lady who swallowed a fly.
She swallowed a spider to catch the fly,
She swallowed a bird to catch the spider.
She swallowed a cat to catch the bird
She swallowed a dog to catch the cat
She swallowed a horse to catch the dog
She's dead, of course!

Can't recall all the refrains and stanzas. But I have always loved this chant.

You forgot the goat, between the horse and the dog.

re: #81 pat

I saw the hugest female Black Widow in a nest by my porch. I kept it for a pet. Then one day I was watching a special on them on the Discovery Channel. Sheeesh. I went to kill the devil. of course she was watching too. Gone. She was there that afternoon. She greeted me when i came home. But gone.I knew where she went. I knew from the show.To the highest point of the house to send her damn little poisonous minions all over the place. I tented the house.

Hubby (aka Widow killer) has dispatched over 100 Black Widows since spring. He knows how to scope them out. We have lots of heat and rocks, they love all that. I hate to kill anything, but hubby's been bitten and it wasn't pretty. He's now on a bit of an Ahab kick vis-a-vis Black Widows.

re: #66 ploome hineni

what did you do with it?

I am only slightly ashamed to say that that particular spider is no longer pinin' for the fjords. It's passed on; it is no more, it has ceased to be... It's a stiff, bereft of life. It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible.

It is an ex-spider.

re: #99 Opilio

You brute! I charge ye with spidey-cide!

re: #93 jcm

LOL! I haven't heard that one in ages.

Does that mean we're "old." ***shudder****

re: #99 Opilio

"This parrot is bereft of life."

As a whole, the world and myself would be better off with less spiders and more sea crabs.

re: #104 ploome hineni

I use Windex sometimes.

re: #104 ploome hineni

I am going back to kill mine

how? spray?

Ready to take on the mighty arachnid!

re: #86 Killian Bundy

Star Trek warp drive is a possibility, say scientists

/g force, human jello

Oof! This new laptop takes osme getting used to. Just hover the cursor over a button, and it goes there. Weird.

Anyway, If the warp drive were applied only to the hull of your spaceship, the g-force would indeed plaster your guts against the back wall. But I expect an practical space drive would act uniformly upon all matter within its field, if such a thing were possible.

Fun to speculate, anyway.

Spiders are useful critters. They eat dust mites, among other things.

re: #97 victor_yugo

You're right! We used to jump rope with this chant. Shows how friggin' old I am, but I'll bet I can still jump rope to this. If I could only remember the chant! Well maybe a few more years. Then, I won't remember yesterday, but I'll have this chant down pat!

FOAD

/aimed at nobody in particular. Just practicing.

re: #45 Russkilitlover

And what poetry indeed: Akhmatova, Pasternik, Yeats, Longfellow, Blake, Wilde. The list goes on and on and I have a library full of them all.

Or Oliver Wendell Holmes.

OLD IRONSIDES
By Oliver Wendell Holmes
September 16, 1830

Ay, tear her tattered ensign down!
Long has it waved on high,
And many an eye has danced to see
That banner in the sky;
Beneath it rung the battle shout,
And burst the cannon's roar;
The meteor of the ocean air
Shall sweep the clouds no more.

Her deck, once red with heroes' blood,
Where knelt the vanquished foe,
When winds were hurrying o'er the flood,
And waves were white below,
No more shall feel the victor's tread,
Or know the conquered knee;
The harpies of the shore shall pluck
The eagle of the sea!

Oh, better that her shattered bulk
Should sink beneath the wave;
Her thunders shook the mighty deep,
And there should be her grave;
Nail to the mast her holy flag,
Set every threadbare sail,
And give her to the god of storms,
The lightning and the gale!

re: #25 Tarkus289

I went to Emerson elementary school.

Hey, my wife went to Emerson College in Boston where she was valedictorian and the commencement speaker was Tom Brokaw!

re: #104 ploome hineni

I am going back to kill mine

how? spray?

ploome : on the site you linked to, there is an item titled "Suicide Spiders".

re: #110 Cartman

FOAD

/aimed at nobody in particular. Just practicing.

Pull the pin when tossing one for real.

re: #104 ploome hineni

Yes. Spray. When you recognize and have discovered their webs, they won't be seen. Spray and they will come running out to attack you. Then spray them again until they die. Not pleasant, but neither is one of their bites.

re: #114 jcm

Oh, you can count on it. ;)

Spiders on drugs

re: #113 Temujin

Only the males --

re: #99 Opilio

I am only slightly ashamed to say that that particular spider is no longer pinin' for the fjords. It's passed on; it is no more, it has ceased to be... It's a stiff, bereft of life. It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible.

It is an ex-spider.

Well, we'd better replace it then.

/

re: #111 Steffan

*sigh* Lovely, just lovely.

re: #118 ploome hineni

does that work?

ok, I will try that

The ammonia will do them in.

re: #92 ploome hineni

FROM MARCH OF THIS YEAR! !

LOooooooooooonng memories, but not accurate.
Still, he made a gracious gesture.

night all!

weet dreams.

re: #107 Alberta Oil Peon

Oof! This new laptop takes osme getting used to. Just hover the cursor over a button, and it goes there. Weird.

Anyway, If the warp drive were applied only to the hull of your spaceship, the g-force would indeed plaster your guts against the back wall. But I expect an practical space drive would act uniformly upon all matter within its field, if such a thing were possible.

Fun to speculate, anyway.

/it'd take years to safely accelerate

re: #109 Russkilitlover

I remember it from The Muppet Show, with Judy Collins singing it, the Old Lady in silhouette behind her, and Statler and Waldorf offering their takes on the second line of each verse.

re: #110 Cartman

5x5

Emerson is too facile in this quip, which is his usual undoing.

All language is born in poetry. A child of Like.

Prose could be considered the utilitarian degeneration of verse.

But there is no fossil involved.

Devolution, possibly.

Language is the walking version of the dance that is the original poetry of thought.

(Ralph generally plods on mundane pathways, which is why he has pretty much become a fossil himself.)

re: #39 Killian Bundy

3:00 a.m.

/in France

Excellent link! Michael Ramirez was the second- or third-in-line cartoonist at the Memphis Commercial Appeal following the death of my father, Cal Alley...

^{_{...winner of multiple awards for his editorial cartoons over 25 years!}}

Since spiders are on the agenda: Spider and the Fly

Damn, using Internet Explorer on this new laptop. Man, it's clumsy compared to Firefox.

re: #90 tommygum

Just read on another thread Mama Winger got he stick. Anyone here know why?

That sucks.

/I'm sure she deserved it

re: #104 ploome hineni

I am going back to kill mine

how? spray?

I hosed it out of the crevice in the skimmer lid, and handed it a brick.

Cool lightning video.

An explanation of what you see.

re: #58 pat

Yeah right. Michelle has his dick in a box and pulls it out when it suits her.

Dude! How are you gonna type that without linking this?

[NSFW Timberlake]

re: #127 Killian Bundy

/it'd take years to safely accelerate

David Weber created a device (called a compensator) that keeps the gravitic drive of his novels' ships from turning the crew into strawberry jam.

Should the compensator fail at a typical acceleration of 200+ Gs, the crew would be slurry in microseconds. They wouldn't even be aware that they were dead.

re: #130 profitsbeard

Nothing like Walt Whitman.

Conceited old fart.

re: #100 rawmuse

You brute! I charge ye with spidey-cide!

That's nothin'. After suffering my second scorpion sting in as many years last fall, I've been on an scorpion extermination mission all summer. I went out into my yard most every night from May to July, blacklight in one hand, and scorpion spray in the other. Lost count of the score somewhere around 80 or so. The numbers started to taper off in mid-July. I'm not sure if that's a normal seasonal thing, or if my efforts are actually showing results.

re: #101 Russkilitlover

Does that mean we're "old." ***shudder****

Hey, I may be getting older, but I will never grow up.

Even if it is 35 years since I graduated high school.

What makes a thread into a Friday Night Drinking Thread? It's technically Saturday morning here but I've had two gin & tonics on an empty stomach and I'm feeling a little bit wiggly.

"Tanqueray and Tonic, I'm f-cked up now", to paraphrase Snoop (minus the dope reference)

(OK, fine, I cracked the mini-bottle of Monopolowa in the freezer and tried some of that too)

Hey, I have all the ingredients for a White Russian... Hmmm.

Night all!

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
Louis Dembitz Brandeis

re: #139 ploome hineni

eww

mine is the BBQ, in the storage space on the bottom of the thing

ploome...perfect excuse to buy a new grill.

re: #138 victor_yugo

Nothing like Walt Whitman.

Conceited old fart.

Sounds like something only Obama could love.

I'm surprised he hasn't quoted it yet, though that would likely be because he's never heard of Whitman in the first place.

re: #96 Steffan

For instance, remember "Wynken, Blynken, and Nod" by Eugene Field?

Thanks so much for that link. Used to read that to my children (eons ago)... could never get all the way through it without tearing up (as in weeping)... just the sheer sweetness of it.

;’)

re: #142 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm lactose intolerant, so I'd have to go with a Black Russian.

Or maybe a Screwdriver. I think I have some orange juice around here somewhere....

Well, I can see from the news that John McCain is thinking about select his friend Joe Lieberman. It is over on Power Line that I read this. If McCain does that he can not win because Democrats know that only Hillary Clinton can beat John. So she will get the democrats position for president. John McCain knows he can not beat Hillary Clinton but he can be Barack Obama (BO). She will play dirty and he will not. He looses the competition for the President of the United States.

We have to elect as many conservatives in congress as we can to stop who ever get the presidency.

re: #146 LeePro

Whether G-rated or R-rated, he was a very very good poet.

re: #8 Killian Bundy

KB ---- got me like 3 hours ago.

re: #147 ploome hineni

lol

I just got this one last year

Dang that's a nice grill. Declare war against the spider and try to limit collateral damage then!

Somewhere, I have a huge book of limericks. The notes go something like this:

"There are two kinds of limericks in the English language, dirty and otherwise. Of all the limericks in this book, none is otherwise."

re: #141 Steffan

Hey, I may be getting older, but I will never grow up.

Even if it is 35 years since I graduated high school.

48 years here.

"grow up..." ? ? ?
What's that?

re: #149 Little Old Engineer

Well, I can see from the news that John McCain is thinking about select his friend Joe Lieberman. It is over on Power Line that I read this. If McCain does that he can not win because Democrats know that only Hillary Clinton can beat John. So she will get the democrats position for president. John McCain knows he can not beat Hillary Clinton but he can be Barack Obama (BO). She will play dirty and he will not. He looses the competition for the President of the United States.

We have to elect as many conservatives in congress as we can to stop who ever get the presidency.

Patience, Grasshopper.

McCain doesn't have to announce his choice until the convention, which is after the Dems' convention. So he can choose a veep who can counter Obama's choice. And considering the considerable bad blood between the Clintons and Obama, I would be very much surprised if he picked her as his running mate. I'd expect maybe Bayh or Biden, both of whom have weaknesses the RNC can exploit.

Lieberman is a last-resort choice at best.

re: #153 victor_yugo

Somewhere, I have a huge book of limericks. The notes go something like this:

"There are two kinds of limericks in the English language, dirty and otherwise. Of all the limericks in this book, none is otherwise."

Heh. Somewhere around here, I have something called "The Dirty Song Book."

Some die of constipation, and some of diarrhea,
And some of malnutrition, and some of diptheria,
But of all the worst diseases, there's none that can compare
To the drip, drip, drip of the septic [deleted] of the British Grenadier.

I still stand by the possibility Hillary takes it at the convention, and bambi has to give his concession speech in the stadium in the rain.

re: #157 Tarkus289

There will be "unrest"

Wonder how much buyers remorse the Dems have with Obama now.

re: #159 Fenway_Nation

Probably more than they had with kerry, but they will never let it show.

re: #160 Tarkus289

I'm cool if they hide it between now and Denver...so long as the facade slips any point after the labor day weekend....

re: #155 Steffan

Patience, Grasshopper.

McCain doesn't have to announce his choice until the convention, which is after the Dems' convention. So he can choose a veep who can counter Obama's choice. And considering the considerable bad blood between the Clintons and Obama, I would be very much surprised if he picked her as his running mate. I'd expect maybe Bayh or Biden, both of whom have weaknesses the RNC can exploit.

Lieberman is a last-resort choice at best.

I like Joe Lieberman. I really do. I particularly like the choice he made when the chips were down, when his own party deserted him...

But a nagging voice in the background keeps reminding me where his allegiances were back in 2000.

About that Russian Bear

Goodnight all.

...thump THUMP

McCain/Palin '08

Look, if we're all gonna be sitting here in stony silence, I might as well get myself something to drink....

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Extra!Extra! First pic's of John Edward's baby hit the net.

How 'bout them Olympics -

re: #168 conservativeChick

I was expecting more hair.

pimf

PIC

re: #165 DesertSage

McCain/Palin '08

YES-S-S-S-S-S-S-S! ! !

re: #169 RTLM

I hear the Saudis got their first gold medal of the games. I think the event was the 100-meter Freestyle Filipina Nanny/Housekeeper Rape.

re: #173 Fenway_Nation

I hear the Saudis got their first gold medal of the games. I think the event was the 100-meter Freestyle Filipina Nanny/Housekeeper Rape.

...thought is was Saudi man on maid cell phone beat down.

re: #167 Abu Al-Poopypants

Hey, your avatar is almost as cool as mine :')

re: #172 LeePro

Hi Lee. I think Palin would be a great choice.

re: #157 Tarkus289

I still stand by the possibility Hillary takes it at the convention, and bambi has to give his concession speech in the stadium in the rain.

From what I've read, it's entirely possible. Neither one has enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination, and it wouldn't greatly surprise me if the superdelegates were experiencing some "buyer's remorse" towards Obambi.

Seriously, the guy has hubris thick enough to cut with a spoon (much less a knife), and the people he's thrown under the bus so far could fill Mile-High Stadium. I'm told that Albert Speer Jr. was consulted for the Great One's coronation at the stadium.

Ya think maybe there will be a Cathedral of Light or a Sea of Flags?

re: #177 Steffan

Sea of flags... 57 of them - one for each state, with the Vero Possumus seal on them.

re: #175 DesertSage

Hey, your avatar is almost as cool as mine :')

I prefer to think of it as an icon. ;^)

re: #178 Abu Al-Poopypants

Sea of flags... 57 of them - one for each state, with the Vero Possumus seal on them.

True possums? What would Walt Kelly think of that?

Obama's picture illustrates "Hubris" in the dictionary. Seriously.

re: #176 DesertSage

Hi Lee. I think Palin would be a great choice.

GMTA!

I think she is the ONLY choice! ...the "drill here, please!" candidate!

re: #178 Abu Al-Poopypants

"Vero Possumus..."

Roadkill?

lol

re: #177 Steffan

From what I've read, it's entirely possible. Neither one has enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination, and it wouldn't greatly surprise me if the superdelegates were experiencing some "buyer's remorse" towards Obambi.

Seriously, the guy has hubris thick enough to cut with a spoon (much less a knife), and the people he's thrown under the bus so far could fill Mile-High Stadium. I'm told that Albert Speer Jr. was consulted for the Great One's coronation at the stadium.

Ya think maybe there will be a Cathedral of Light or a Sea of Flags?

Oh yeah, I think HRH Obama is about to becme His Has Been Obama. The very second he let Hillary on the ballot. She was within a couple of hundred votes of him not counting Florida and Michigan. Obama told the DNC to seat those with full voting powers a couple of weeks ago. Nobody has ever heard from all of the superdelegates - all of whom can change their mind anyway. It is more than possible that Hillary will walk away with it on the first ballot. Obama's "failure to close" and his huge failure in the last six or so states must be making lots of folks nervous.

Vero Possumus

Desidero Teleprompterus

re: #177 Steffan

From what I've read, it's entirely possible. Neither one has enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination, and it wouldn't greatly surprise me if the superdelegates were experiencing some "buyer's remorse" towards Obambi.

Seriously, the guy has hubris thick enough to cut with a spoon (much less a knife), and the people he's thrown under the bus so far could fill Mile-High Stadium. I'm told that Albert Speer Jr. was consulted for the Great One's coronation at the stadium.

Ya think maybe there will be a Cathedral of Light or a Sea of Flags?

For the duration of the DNC it should be referred to as Invesco Field. The Broncos play at Mile High Stadium.

My clock says DEAD:30am

  ¦O ^{_{ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n}}

'Nite {Beloved Lizards}!
Hope you will sleep as well as I will!

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The opening quote is an example of why I am not so much enamored of Emerson as most English profs seem to be. His ideas on language and poetry are so dametrically opposed to mine that we could not converse.

Not even in haiku.

All alone at the end of a thread...

Whatever shall I do?

re: #188 tankdemon

All alone at the end of a thread...

Whatever shall I do?

/load SABO?

SABOT

/my bad

re: #188 tankdemon

Demon - thought you wanted to dominate the Underworld ? ?

So what's your problem ?

“Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.”

~ Satan

re: #189 Killian Bundy

And FIRE!

That'll wake 'em up.

re: #188 tankdemon

All alone at the end of a thread...

Whatever shall I do?

Not entirely alone. I've been here awhile just waiting for something to respond to while I go through the links.

Anything new?

Language is fossil poetry.

To discuss for a moment. The entire thought is imbecilic. I liken it to the aimless maundering of the drunk on the next barstool, while you are still ordering your first drink. So our ancestors waxed poetic? Then what about primitive speech? Does one think the head hunters of New Guinea to be particularly perspicacious? About what? Cannibalism? What do we expect of the original Ecuadoreans? Poetry on how to shrink heads? The Greeks were firmly opposed to such drivel. " For Spartacus!"
I have nothing more to say about this.

re: #188 tankdemon

So, yesterday, an LGF idiot opined that we should be moving M1A2s into Georgia via C-17 along with all the humanitarian aid.

/your opinion?

re: #195 Killian Bundy

C17 can't carry an Abrams, can it? So how does that work?

re: #196 pat

C17 can't carry an Abrams, can it? So how does that work?

Yes, it can. I looked it up. Or 120 paratroopers with a full complement of gear & equipment.

re: #196 pat

C17 can't carry an Abrams, can it? So how does that work?

It's a moot point.

/Abrams and all their accouterments don't move without a massive ground effort, rail, sea etc.

re: #197 galloping granny

Yes, it can. I looked it up. Or 120 paratroopers with a full complement of gear & equipment.

You are right. it can carry one Abrams, at maximum load. I would not have guessed it could get thru the hatch. Around here they would not do that. But distance is a factor. No less than 2,500 miles.

I might do a story on Corsi tomorrow.

re: #197 galloping granny

We need to send the Lightbringer™ to Georgia. Immediately!

“Can't we all just Move On ?” -- O-Man

/Piece o' cake . . .

re: #199 pat

You are right. it can carry one Abrams, at maximum load. I would not have guessed it could get thru the hatch. Around here they would not do that. But distance is a factor. No less than 2,500 miles.

No less than 2500 miles where?

The more important factor is that a single tank is not of much use.

re: #201 Temujin

We need to send the Lightbringer™ to Georgia. Immediately!

“Can't we all just Move On ?” -- O-Man

/Piece o' cake . . .

Screw His Royal Highness. Lightbringer my you know what!

re: #202 galloping granny

To land. It is 2,500 miles to the next land. Our C17s are here for Strykers and Carrier support.

re: #200 pat

I might do a story on Corsi tomorrow.

Why? I think it is really too bad that people are making Corsi the issue, when the real issue is the 40 page "rebuttal" that Obama issued. It isn't much of a rebuttal and from what I've seen things they are saying Corsi got wrong are absolutely correct.

re: #204 pat

To land. It is 2,500 miles to the next land. Our C17s are here for Strykers and Carrier support.

To the next land from where? The US has quite a few C17s.

Of course i understand the logistics. I was more interested in the tank transport issue. BTW, that plane cost a lot more than that tank.

re: #203 galloping granny

Screw His Royal HighO-ness.

/There - that's better . . .

re: #206 galloping granny

From Hawaii. In this case, Schofield Barracks.

re: #207 pat

Of course i understand the logistics. I was more interested in the tank transport issue. BTW, that plane cost a lot more than that tank.

I still don't get what you mean by 2500 miles. Where are you?

re: #205 galloping granny

Why? I think it is really too bad that people are making Corsi the issue, when the real issue is the 40 page "rebuttal" that Obama issued. It isn't much of a rebuttal and from what I've seen things they are saying Corsi got wrong are absolutely correct.

Actually, my angle will be somewhat oblique. I am more interested in Corsi, not the book, per se.

re: #209 pat

From Hawaii. In this case, Schofield Barracks.

AHHH - I see. Luckily we have C17s and tanks in many other places in the world, quite some few of which are much closer to Georgia than Hawai'i is. Like Iraq. Or Germany.

I think the 2500 miles is within the reach of a C17 anyway though/

re: #211 pat

Actually, my angle will be somewhat oblique. I am more interested in Corsi, not the book, per se.

Yes, another one of those ad hominem attacks - shoot the messenger rather than the message. Quite some bit of that going around.

US takes Gold in skeet.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

re: #173 Fenway_Nation

I hear the Saudis got their first gold medal of the games. I think the event was the 100-meter Freestyle Filipina Nanny/Housekeeper Rape.

Not funny.

re: #212 galloping granny

Yes, C17s are a very important part of what is done here. When you fly into Honolulu you will see them at Hickam Air Field. In fact they are thinking of building another runway for them at Pacific Missile Range, a classified facility on Kauai. But i don't think any will be carrying tanks. That is not going to happen unless something really bad happens over in your neck of the woods or they merely want to move them within the State. I don't think they have the lift for the long carry.

re: #213 galloping granny

Yes, another one of those ad hominem attacks - shoot the messenger rather than the message. Quite some bit of that going around.

LOL, nah. I will let Obama deal with both the book and the man.

Nite all.

re: #216 pat

Yes, C17s are a very important part of what is done here. When you fly into Honolulu you will see them at Hickam Air Field. In fact they are thinking of building another runway for them at Pacific Missile Range, a classified facility on Kauai. But i don't think any will be carrying tanks. That is not going to happen unless something really bad happens over in your neck of the woods or they merely want to move them within the State. I don't think they have the lift for the long carry.

In which case, you would be wrong. C17s are easy enough to look up. There isn't much point in designing a plane big enough to carry a tank that cannot get off the ground with the tank inside you know. American engineers are pretty good, and our aeronautical engineers are historically the best in the world. The plane flies - with a tank inside if that is what our commanders wish it to carry.

re: #219 galloping granny

In which case, you would be wrong. C17s are easy enough to look up. There isn't much point in designing a plane big enough to carry a tank that cannot get off the ground with the tank inside you know. American engineers are pretty good, and our aeronautical engineers are historically the best in the world. The plane flies - with a tank inside if that is what our commanders wish it to carry.

/Abrams tanks don't travel by C17, period

Oh fer cryingoutloud! Anybody see the Logo of the Week out of Obamaland?

[Link: tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

re: #220 Killian Bundy

/Abrams tanks don't travel by C17, period

Yes they do.

re: #219 galloping granny

I think the point he's trying to mmake here is that even if you can shove the tank into the plane and fly it somewhere, it doesn't do you any good.

You need the whole rest of the army to go with it: the soldiers, the support peronel, and all their materiel. And you need to have it all planned out ahead of time, and the various units and equipment identified, and you have to co-ordinate everything so it all arrives on time and in the correct order.

While the enemy is shooting at it, if they can. Certainly while the situation on the ground is 'evolving'.

Invading isn't as easy as it looks.

re: #220 Killian Bundy

/Abrams tanks don't travel by C17, period

It isn't the point of whether or not they DO Killian, the point is that they CAN. By the one. I agree that it would be positively ludicrous to move them anywhere that way, since tanks don't usually go anywhere by the one. (My ex was a tanker so I know a little bit about them.)

re: #223 thelongblogger

I think the point he's trying to mmake here is that even if you can shove the tank into the plane and fly it somewhere, it doesn't do you any good.

You need the whole rest of the army to go with it: the soldiers, the support peronel, and all their materiel. And you need to have it all planned out ahead of time, and the various units and equipment identified, and you have to co-ordinate everything so it all arrives on time and in the correct order.

While the enemy is shooting at it, if they can. Certainly while the situation on the ground is 'evolving'.

Invading isn't as easy as it looks.

I'm sure that is exactly the point. I was neither supporting the idea of sending tanks to Georgia (especially not by the one) nor commenting on how much other stuff you need to go with the tank. Just pointing out that Yes We Can applies full well to moving one of the things by C17 aircraft if we for some reason wanted to do that.

re: #222 RTLM

Yes they do.

/and where's the gas station, thats a very thirsty jet/gas turbine engine?

re: #226 Killian Bundy

/and where's the gas station, thats a very thirsty jet/gas turbine engine?

An M1 tanks inside a C17 requires no gas at all to move from one place to another.

If you've ever stood next to an Abhams tank without prior experience, you'd be struck by the smallness of it. The tracks are ~4 feet high. The 'sill' above the tracks is 5 feet. Overall length is

The M1 Abrams would fit inside a 3 car garage.

(with significant damage)

re: #228 RTLM

If you've ever stood next to an Abhams tank without prior experience, you'd be struck by the smallness of it. The tracks are ~4 feet high. The 'sill' above the tracks is 5 feet. Overall length is

The M1 Abrams would fit inside a 3 car garage.

(with significant damage)

Like crushing the floor?

re: #227 galloping granny

An M1 tanks inside a C17 requires no gas at all to move from one place to another.

/you know that they're not moved one at a time and require lots of infrastructure at their destination

re: #226 Killian Bundy

/and where's the gas station, thats a very thirsty jet/gas turbine engine?

Here.

The KC-135/707 airframe is sound for another 12 years.

#228 pimf: M1A1 hull length: 26 feet

re: #230 Killian Bundy

/you know that they're not moved one at a time and require lots of infrastructure at their destination

Killian, didn't your Mother or an English teacher ever teach you the difference between "can" and "may"? We CAN move tanks by the one in a C17.

Most of the time we do not do so, because it MAY not be wise or profitable, but it CAN be done.

Tanks do not require as much infrastructure as you think they do. If they did, they would be useless. They do like to go around in small groups so nobody is hanging out there all alone, but they don't need to drag thousands of folks along with them. The crew of the thing is perfectly capable of handling all the maintenance, including changing a track if they have to. Come with the job. The gas tank is pretty big, and they usually carry a few spare cans. Not much point in driving around in something where you need to stop for gas every 10 miles.

The thing would take out part of a three car garage in the hands of all but the most experienced of drivers because of the turning ratio and the ability to see around the fenders. It would do nothing to the garage floor, assuming it was a cement garage floor. (Nobody installs oak flooring in the garage these days, do they?)

re: #231 RTLM

Is this the contract that Boeing lost out on?

re: #233 galloping granny

The thing would take out part of a three car garage in the hands of all but the most experienced of drivers because of the turning ratio and the ability to see around the fenders. It would do nothing to the garage floor, assuming it was a cement garage floor. (Nobody installs oak flooring in the garage these days, do they?)

Silly sucker weighs 60 tons.

The sheer weight of it might sink the floor (as well as crush it) to the extent that it brough the rest of the building down through ground subsidence.

But I'm just an ignorant amateur. If there's anyone on LGF that knows, they should speak up now.

re: #233 galloping granny

The gas turbine propulsion system has proven quite reliable in practice and combat, but its high fuel consumption is a serious logistic issue (starting up the turbine alone consumes nearly 11 gallons of fuel. The engine burns more than 1 gallon per mile and 12 gallons per hour when idle.

/they don't travel without a bandwagon

re: #235 thelongblogger

Silly sucker weighs 60 tons.

The sheer weight of it might sink the floor (as well as crush it) to the extent that it brough the rest of the building down through ground subsidence.

But I'm just an ignorant amateur. If there's anyone on LGF that knows, they should speak up now.

The things travel on regular roads without sinking the road or leaving utter devastation behind with a single passage. And they are regularly parked in normal parking lots and serviced in normal, if somewhat oversized garages. No special supports required.

/Now, if you wanted to park it on the roof. . . .

re: #236 Killian Bundy

The turbines do give something warm for the infantry to stand behind while idling....

re: #236 Killian Bundy

/they don't travel without a bandwagon

I did not say they were fuel efficient. I said that they could go much farther than 10 miles on a tank of gas. No vehicle travels far without a fill up. That has nothing at all to do with moving the thing in a C17.

And if we DID want to move one or two to Georgia by C17, the last time I checked they had gasoline of various grades that would work just fine available there.

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

re: #240 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

Wow. Right on time. I'm impressed Little. How's things?

Fruitcup already? My my...where does the time go?

re: #234 Fenway_Nation

Is this the contract that Boeing lost out on?

Yes. But Boeing protested and its going out for bid all over again. Northrop/EADS won with the "KC-40" initially. I like the KC-767 because its smaller, requires less runway and less space on crowded tarmacs. A more rugged and sturdy airframe. The A330 has too many fragilities.

That said, it SHOULD have been a split buy. The we might have new tankers and extra cargo capacity 2 years earlier.

re: #239 galloping granny

IAnd if we DID want to move one or two to Georgia by C17

/that's not the way U.S. armored divisions work

granny! :-)

One more night and I can stop staying up late to watch the Olympics.

/swimming is over tonight!

How's by you?

Fenway! :-)

re: #237 galloping granny

The things travel on regular roads without sinking the road or leaving utter devastation behind with a single passage. And they are regularly parked in normal parking lots and serviced in normal, if somewhat oversized garages. No special supports required.

/Now, if you wanted to park it on the roof. . . .

Well, they have to be able to drive down a road, or they wouldn't be good for anything... So that makes sense. But roads (at least main roads) are designed to handle big trucks, that often weigh 20 tons or more, and have less wheel on the road than a tank has track area. A fully loaded 18 wheeler might crush the floor in your garage, if it could get in there in the first place.

Tanks drive down the roads in Iraq (I have seen the videos) - tomorrow I'll review such video as I can find to see how much damage they do.

Never thought about it before.

I may learn something - can't have that.

re: #244 Killian Bundy

/that's not the way U.S. armored divisions work

Yes, I know. I was a good Army wife to a member of an armored division for quite some few years.

I didn't say that was how the Army worked. I said that if for some reason we wanted to move a tank or two to Georgia and decided to do so by C17, the fact that it gets about a mile to the gallon is insignificant because they have gas in Georgia.

Logic is not your strong suite, is it?

re: #244 Killian Bundy

/that's not the way U.S. armored divisions work

I'd rather see a Patriot Battery.

(or two)

US tanks into Georgia is an absurd course of discussion.

Hi littleoldlady! Splendid fruitcup as usual....

re: #248 galloping granny

Logic is not your strong suite, is it?

/if you mean sending two Abrams tanks to Georgia by air, well no

re: #240 littleoldlady

Yum! Thanks much.

But I'm going to bed now, before I get Galloping Granny angry.

/she raises an interesting point though; the people who designed the Abrams must have had a design criteria about how much damage they were allowed to do to different types of surfaces they might be expected to travel on. Maybe I can find someone who knows.

I hate it when I have to actually analyze something.

re: #247 thelongblogger

Well, they have to be able to drive down a road, or they wouldn't be good for anything... So that makes sense. But roads (at least main roads) are designed to handle big trucks, that often weigh 20 tons or more, and have less wheel on the road than a tank has track area. A fully loaded 18 wheeler might crush the floor in your garage, if it could get in there in the first place.

Tanks drive down the roads in Iraq (I have seen the videos) - tomorrow I'll review such video as I can find to see how much damage they do.

Never thought about it before.

I may learn something - can't have that.

Note: A line of tanks moving down a road can damage the road surface, especially if they are going over a certain speed. So, reviewing video from battle conditions might not show you what you are looking for.

I don't buy the idea that a fully loaded 18 wheeler would crush the garage floor either. You have to distribute all that weight over the area of the vehicle and then there are complicated formulae to determine the stress on the floor, depending on the type of cement and so forth. Lots of physics involved.

re: #250 RTLM

US tanks into Georgia is an absurd course of discussion.

Agreed. After all, if we wanted them there - and I am positive that we do not - it would be much simpler in the long run to drive them the lousy 386 miles between Mosul and Tbilisi than to fly them in by the one.

re: #252 Killian Bundy

/if you mean sending two Abrams tanks to Georgia by air, well no

No, I mean the ridiculous reasons you raise as to why it "can't" be done in a C17 - reasons that have nothing whatever to do with fitting a tank in a C17 and getting it off the ground and back down somewhere else.

re: #255 galloping granny

Not to mention it would make a better Garmin commercial.

Given the Russians lack of effectiveness from the air, that space should be the primary focus of any US military action.

Russian pilots are not prepared for this.

re: #245 littleoldlady

granny! :-)

One more night and I can stop staying up late to watch the Olympics.

/swimming is over tonight!

How's by you?

Morning Little. We're doing fine, though not watching the Olympics.

re: #254 galloping granny

There was a time when I could do those calculations myself. Not any more.

I know an architect who does that kind of math for a living every day. I exect to see him on Monday, and I'll try to remember to ask him then.

In the meantime. don't worry - the discussion is purely hypothetical.

Completely off-topic (can one ever be off topic in an open thread?) but is it too early to annoint USA Softball's Jennie Fitch as 'America's Sweetheart'?

re: #258 RTLM

Given the Russians lack of effectiveness from the air, that space should be the primary focus of any US military action.

Russian pilots are not prepared for this.

Did you notice the President of Georgia's statement yesterday where he said that the Russians had pulled retired pilots off the streets of Moscow for this? I thought that was rather interesting. . . . especially in light of the Russian assessment. They seem to be flabbergasted at the loss of several of their aircraft to the Georgians.

re: #261 Fenway_Nation

But what about Obama?

i haven't read all the posts regarding the M-1, but lets cut to the chase:

as for going through the floor, it's ground pressure is not all that high as armored vehicles go, even with the armor upgrades.

fuel use has gone down, as the engine control electronics have improved, and there is the APU that keeps you from having to run the main engine 24/7 when in an overwatch.

turning radius? they can spin in place (neutral steer) and just about anyone can drive them in a tight space, because that's what ground guides are for. if you;re in combat, and can't use them, no one cares what get's crushed.

al that being said, there is *NO* reason for any M-1's in Georgia, and flying them in as individual uinits would be one of the all time st00pid things to do.

cut their supply lines, degrade their logistic tail (they only have so many trucks), and cut off their retreat. take away their air cover and presto, it's Afghanistan II, the Georgian Mistake.

IOW, cut the five LOC's. encourage the use of RPG & small arms against all soft targets available. selectively target all command posts, commo centers, logistic centers, and choke points. hit locally based aviation either on the ground or on final approach /take off.

set SAM traps for CAS assets. constantly seek to identify, locate and attack C3I units.

killing privates is a waste of time. attack the high value, short supply items and the bear will head for his cave most ricky tick.