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Obama Avoids the E Word

Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 10:38:40 am PDT

This is hilarious; you can almost see Obama’s inner editor kick in, mid-thought, as he barely stops himself from using the dreaded E word: Nuance: Obama almost says Clarence Thomas didn’t have enough experience to serve.

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1 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:39:34am

He isn't fit to lick Thomas' boots.

2 paint-right  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:39:46am

Stuttering.

3 stanlef  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:40:15am

I loved it! It was like he was diving after the word before it escaped!

/nuance

4 pat  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:41:12am

Yeah. The Fox people had a laugh on that one (in addition to many others).

5 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:41:57am

re: #1 MandyManners

He isn't fit to lick Thomas' boots.

Or McCain's for that matter.

6 WayDownSouthInBama  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:42:18am

True,but the cat peaked it's head out of the bag just far enough for us to know what the part that never got out looks like.

7 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:43:41am

So, a part time "law professor" with virtually no real world legal experience is of sufficient stature in the legal community to pass judgment on a Supreme Court Justice? OK!

8 debutaunt  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:44:03am

He's been working on his inept speaking habits, but uh, he umm, still can't stop it completely.

9 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:44:16am

Related hotair post:

Laugh of the day: Obama blames McCain for messianic imagery

Since McCain wrote Obama's Super Tuesday speech, I suppose I can understand Obama's complaint.//////

We are the hope of the future, the answer to the cynics who tell us our house must stand divided, that we cannot come together, that we cannot remake this world as it should be.

We know that we have seen something happen over the last several weeks, over the past several months. We know that what began as a whisper has now swelled to a chorus that cannot be ignored — (cheers, applause) — that will not be deterred, that will ring out across this land as a hymn that will heal this nation — (cheers, applause) — repair this world, make this time different than all the rest. Yes, we can.
Let’s go to work. Yes, we can. Yes, we can. Yes, we can.

(Chants of “Yes, We Can! Yes, We Can!”)

Thank you, Chicago. Let’s go get to work. I love you. (Cheers, applause.)

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

10 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:44:21am

re: #6 WayDownSouthInBama

True,but the cat peaked it's head out of the bag just far enough for us to know what the part that never got out looks like.

I've tried that approach when I was a young whipper snapper on first dates, and it never worked out so well for me either?

11 lifeofthemind  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:45:37am

Greeting sports fans. Any mail for me while I was gone? Dragged out the antique HP PC so I could get back on the Net. What news from the last 17.5 hours?

12 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:45:49am

A stack of waffles reaching to the sun

13 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:47:04am

A leader with a path to the cliff.

I'm out of here
It's Sunday.

14 Catttt  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:47:39am

Way to go, Barry. Build yourself up by calling a Supreme Court justice a "weak thinker" - e.g.,. an idiot.

Senator McCain, in his answer, did not diss anyone for lack of briains, as I recall. He disagreed with them on a fundamental basis.

15 godfrey  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:47:46am

Obama has a lot of nerve, I'll give him that.

16 pat  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:48:22am

The 'ummm' is very hard to rid oneself of. It is a 'word' used to fill gaps. It really means "let me think of the precise word I want".You must almost mentally classify it along with other words one never wishes to use. Some people never master the trick.

17 lifeofthemind  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:48:29am

Is there a transcript of last night's entertainment available?

18 Catttt  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:48:33am

re: #11 lifeofthemind

Greeting sports fans. Any mail for me while I was gone? Dragged out the antique HP PC so I could get back on the Net. What news from the last 17.5 hours?

Barry lost the "debate."
Michael Phelps is totally my homeboy.

19 Opinionated  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:48:46am
"I would not have nominated Clarence Thomas"

Racist

20 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:50:04am

re: #18 Catttt

Barry lost the "debate."
Michael Phelps is totally my homeboy.

Are you from Baltimore area. Is he from Towson?

21 lifeofthemind  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:50:32am

re: #15 godfrey

Obama has a lot of nerve, I'll give him that.

That kind of nerve is not the same as courage. It does not indicate an ability to stay clear headed during a crisis or when threatened by a bully.

22 itellu3times  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:50:47am

re: #1 MandyManners

He isn't fit to lick Thomas' boots.

Oh, I must disagree.

23 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:52:06am
24 seekeroftruth  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:52:16am

re: #17 lifeofthemind

Is there a transcript of last night's entertainment available?


[Link: www.rickwarrennews.com...]
Broadcast Transcript Service:
Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency

25 pat  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:53:26am

"weak thinker"? You mean like Global Warming entails Global Cooling? That type of weak thinking? Or a gun free zone will deter madmen? That type of thinking? Or if the Constitution prohibited the taking of private property by the public so it could sell the same to another private entity, it should have said so? Or that freedom of speech primarily protects political speech and not pornography. That the people shall have the right to bear arms means they can......ummm..bear arms?

26 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:53:38am

If any lizards out there are looking for a good and safe place to bring up kids:

"North Texas school district will let teachers carry guns"

[Link: www.chron.com...]

27 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:53:44am

How much cringing must have occurred on the left when he expounded on why he opposed the nomination of Thomas. We will see that one again, in RNC campaign ads, count on it. He stepped in a big pile.

28 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:54:18am

Computer's running waaaaay slower than usual today, so I was left to wonder what particular 'E' word Obama was avoiding for about 5 minutes...

/'equality'?

29 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:54:51am

re: #28 Fenway_Nation

Computer's running waaaaay slower than usual today, so I was left to wonder what particular 'E' word Obama was avoiding for about 5 minutes...

/'equality'?

Experience. That particular E word that Obama does not have.

30 nyc redneck  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:55:08am

obama is weak in all ways.
spiritually, intellectually, emotionally,
he has no experience to draw from. no credibility. he is dishonest.
arrogant and narcissistic. he can't relate to people appropriately because he has no empathy for people. he is condescending. full of himself.
how someone like b.o. who got this far,w/all his personality flaws and NO EXPERIENCE, should be a red flag wake up call for all americans who love their country.

31 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:55:20am

re: #28 Fenway_Nation

Computer's running waaaaay slower than usual today, so I was left to wonder what particular 'E' word Obama was avoiding for about 5 minutes...

/'equality'?

I think he was about to say the Thomas did not have enough "experience"? That would have been just so sweet if it had snuck out!

32 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:55:32am
33 ypnxjkb  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:55:40am

re: #19 Opinionated

Racist

I am suprised he doesn't label warren(for me the jury is still out on rick) a racist for asking the question. Rick Warren is a race baiter!?

34 pegcity  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:55:58am

re: #30 nyc redneck

how about physically too boot

35 kuffar  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:57:10am

McCain, if he keeps on the offensive and selects a competent much younger person as his running mate, will win.

36 lifeofthemind  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:57:17am

re: #24 seekeroftruth

[Link: www.rickwarrennews.com...]
Broadcast Transcript Service:
Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency

Thank you.

37 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:57:56am

re: #35 kuffar

McCain, if he keeps on the offensive and selects a competent much younger person as his running mate, will win.

Everybody else is much younger! Just saying.

38 WayDownSouthInBama  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:58:02am

re: #17 lifeofthemind

I see #24 has you covered on the transcript. Please be sure to read page three and look at Obama's stand on when he would send in Troops. As I posted in a spinoff link,just what does Obama think was going on in Iraq under Saddam? if Obama is all for sending in troops to stop a mass murdering regime,he needs to STHU about Iraq.

39 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:58:48am

re: #35 kuffar

McCain, if he keeps on the offensive and selects a competent much younger person as his running mate, will win.

I don't have to think he has to go THAT much younger. Obama has suddenly dyed his hair gray trying to look old enough to compete.

40 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:59:19am

In Baracks defense, he had to say "EX" becuase he had run out of "uhh's" and "ummms" during that particular minute

Obama,,,,, Substituting Gutteral Sounds For Answers Since Mid 08'

41 pegcity  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:59:21am

re: #39 galloping granny

looks more like a bird pooped on the right half of it

42 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 10:59:59am
43 nyc redneck  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:00:34am

re: #34 pegcity

how about physically too boot

oh yeah, a pencil neck geek who can hardly ride a bicycle (w/ training wheels).

mccain, on the other hand looks like a tuff guy at 70.

think abt. who you would want in your fox hole.

44 Orangutan  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:00:43am

That's rich.....the cards are tumbling

45 William  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:01:15am

Here's the CNN transcript from the entire event:

[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

46 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:01:19am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

He is merely trying to signal acceptance of his mixed black and white ancestry.


Ebony & Ivory (Music Video)by Paul McCartney & Stevie Wonder

47 DeathtotheSwiss  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:01:26am

He was GOING TO SAY EXEMPLARY! Geez, you guys sure are quick to jump to conclusions.

48 pegcity  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:02:41am

I uh I uh I UHHHH UHHH I uhhh

49 Catttt  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:04:08am

re: #20 Nevergiveup

Are you from Baltimore area. Is he from Towson?

Yes. I live in Pikesville.
Towson? More or less. He's from Rogers Forge, which gets lumped in with Towson. He went to Towson High School.

We are pretty much bursting with pride here right now.

50 WayDownSouthInBama  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:04:12am

re: #47 DeathtotheSwiss

He was GOING TO SAY EXEMPLARY! Geez, you guys sure are quick to jump to conclusions.

Maybe he was going to say enough "EX-friends thrown under the bus" to serve?

51 lifeofthemind  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:04:16am

re: #38 WayDownSouthInBama

He wants it in theory but not in practice. In practice he only theorizes about the action that he wants but his theory precludes in practice performing an act that his practice desires in theory. Isn't that easy? For further elucidation I recommend Yes Minister.

52 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:04:32am

re: #29 galloping granny

re: #31 Nevergiveup

I know that now that the thread is up and running, but 'Equality' was the opnly feasable guess I could come up with until then.

I did guess 'experience' at one point before promptly dismissing it by naiively saying 'Nah- too obvious. If it was experience (or lack thereof) he would've been hammered with it by now'.

But come to think of it, the only time his MSM lapdogs point out his inexperience is when they announce 'The Hillary camp claims he's inexperienced..' or 'A McCain spokesman says this shows a lack of experience', as though the only indicator we have for his inexperience is claims from his rivals...

53 godfrey  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:05:00am

re: #30 nyc redneck

Obama is so self-centered, he doesn't even realize it. He tries to come off as this "perpetually thoughtful student" type, which he thinks makes him look smart and humble.

What he doesn't realize is how arrogant it really is of someone with his lack of knowledge and experience to contend the Presidency.

It's as if someone said, "well, I know I've never flown a plane before, but I'm not stupid, and I'll surround myself with all sorts of experts, so of course you should let me pilot this 747."

This sort of person shouldn't be let anywhere near the reins of power.

54 itellu3times  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:05:19am

re: #47 DeathtotheSwiss

He was GOING TO SAY EXEMPLARY! Geez, you guys sure are quick to jump to conclusions.

Obama being fluent in 57 languages, I thought he was going to say, "huevos", just a little pre-aspiration inhalation, y'know, sounds a bit like "e-" to the unsophisticated ear.

55 BigJohn  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:05:24am

What was up with that nervous little nose wrinkling tick when he was asked the question.

56 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:06:36am

Italy allowed Palestinian terror groups to roam free'
Former Italian president admits that his government had deal with PLO, Popular Front according to which they were allowed free movement within Italian territory in exchange for leaving national targets alone; PFLP leader confirms

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Say it so Giovanni! Say it ain't so!

57 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:06:48am

re: #54 itellu3times

Obama being fluent in 57 languages, I thought he was going to say, "huevos", just a little pre-aspiration inhalation, y'know, sounds a bit like "e-" to the unsophisticated ear.

Hey- isn't that a language for every state in the union?

58 ypnxjkb  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:06:59am

The biggest "E" word question that the lizards wanted to know was "EVOLUTION". Following his previous m.o., Obama said that although he's pro-choice pro-creationist and supports Roe v. Wade I.D. teaching in schools, his goal is to reduce the number of abortions procreating in America.

59 William  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:07:17am

The CNN transcript omits the key blunder; portion in bold is not in the CNN transcript:

WARREN: OK. The courts. Let me ask it this way. Which existing Supreme Court justice would you not have nominated?

OBAMA: That's a good one. That's a good one. I would not have nominated Clarence Thomas. [ applause ] I don't think that he - I don't think that he was as an ex..., a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation, setting aside the fact that I profoundly disagree with his interpretations of a lot of the Constitution. I would not nominate Justice Scalia, although I don't think there's any doubt about his intellectual brilliance, because he and I just disagree. He taught at the University of Chicago, as did I in the law school.

60 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:07:35am

This, from Sasha Issenberg of the Boston Globe. She obvioulsy wasn't watching the same show we were! [Link: www.boston.com...]

Later, when asked which Supreme Court justices he would not have nominated, McCain ticked off the names of all four judges on the Supreme Court's liberal wing, suggesting they were trying to legislate from the bench - a core complaint of religious conservatives.
Obama, for his part, had named the court's only black member, the conservative Clarence Thomas, questioning his qualifications as a "jurist or legal thinker."

Words mean something ,,, McCain TICKED OFF ,,,, Obama "QUESTIONED"

As Dan Akroyd would say ,,,, "Sasha, you ignorant ,,,,,,,,"

61 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:07:57am

re: #52 Fenway_Nation

re: #31 Nevergiveup

I know that now that the thread is up and running, but 'Equality' was the opnly feasable guess I could come up with until then.

I did guess 'experience' at one point before promptly dismissing it by naiively saying 'Nah- too obvious. If it was experience (or lack thereof) he would've been hammered with it by now'.

But come to think of it, the only time his MSM lapdogs point out his inexperience is when they announce 'The Hillary camp claims he's inexperienced..' or 'A McCain spokesman says this shows a lack of experience', as though the only indicator we have for his inexperience is claims from his rivals...

There have been so many other, better, indisputable things to hammer Obama with today. . . . . and they are.

62 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:08:03am

Since Obama doesn't have experience Koskidz think McCain should shut up about his....
John McCain; Sir Enough About Your POW Experience


What shows his character today is the fact that he uses his ordeal to further his ambitions. This is an ugly thing to do and tarnishes both his name and the act itself.

If he had any sort of shame at all he would at least let some surrogates weasel their way onto the MSM and keep his mouth shut about it unless directly asked. Yet, much like Guiliani regarding 9/11, McCain mentions his Vietnam experience at every chance he gets.

He's using his experience! That's unfair!

63 lifeofthemind  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:09:41am

re: #46 Nevergiveup

Ebony & Ivory (Music Video)by Paul McCartney & Stevie Wonder

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I prefer

Salt and Pepper

64 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:10:49am

Is anyone bothered by the fact that McCain voted for the judges he said he would not have nominated?

65 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:11:10am

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Yet, much like Guiliani John Kerry regarding 9/11 Vietnam, McCain mentions his Vietnam experience at every chance he gets.

Did you know John Kerry served in Vietnam?

66 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:11:55am

Time to give my GAZE a workout.

67 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:11:56am

re: #62 Killgore Trout

He's using his experience! That's unfair!

Dear Senator McCain,

Although we are not fans of Rush Limbaugh, we think it would be fair if you, as Rush does, have half your brain tied behind your back during this election, much as the North Koreans tied half your body behind your back lo those many years ago.

Thank You
The Obananation !

68 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:11:56am
69 BigJohn  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:12:12am

re: #64 JustMyView

Is anyone bothered by the fact that McCain voted for the judges he said he would not have nominated?

Oops!

70 JHW  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:12:28am

re: #62 Killgore Trout

How can that Kosling say that ? McCain didn't say " I'm John McCain and I'm reporting for duty."
/

71 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:13:12am

re: #64 JustMyView
Hmm...Did you miss your plane?

72 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:13:36am

re: #67 sattv4u2

He's using his experience! That's unfair!

Dear Senator McCain,

Although we are not fans of Rush Limbaugh, we think it would be fair if you, as Rush does, have half your brain tied behind your back during this election, much as the North Koreans tied half your body behind your back lo those many years ago.

Thank You
The Obananation !

John McCain is nowhere near that old! They were the North Vietnamese. And I hear some of the interrogators were Russians.

73 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:14:49am

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

Better hurry or you'll miss that plane.

You're right. I need to get moving. But I was curious about this issue, and it seemed like a straightforward question that people could answer quickly if they wanted to.

74 WayDownSouthInBama  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:14:56am

re: #64 JustMyView

Is anyone bothered by the fact that McCain voted for the judges he said he would not have nominated?

Not as bothered as I would be by the Judges I know Obama would nominate and the Democrats would vote to approve.

75 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:15:02am

re: #72 galloping granny

John McCain is nowhere near that old! They were the North Vietnamese. And I hear some of the interrogators were Russians.

OOOPPSS , sorry ,,, thanks (beleive me ,,, I did know that,,, I have no idea why I typed korea,,,,, MASH re-runs on my brain, I guess)

76 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:15:05am

Does anyone know IF McCain voted for those 4 he named? I doubt there is a place on the 'tubes with every senators voting record for their entire career, or is there?

77 Lawrior  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:15:12am

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Since Obama doesn't have experience Koskidz think McCain should shut up about his....
John McCain; Sir Enough About Your POW Experience


He's using his experience! That's unfair!

The scoundrel! Starting a fight over experience with an unarmed man.

78 yma o hyd  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:16:43am

re: #67 sattv4u2

He's using his experience! That's unfair!

Dear Senator McCain,

Although we are not fans of Rush Limbaugh, we think it would be fair if you, as Rush does, have half your brain tied behind your back during this election, much as the North Koreans tied half your body behind your back lo those many years ago.

Thank You
The Obananation !

Did they really say 'North Koreans'?

Oh.My.Gawd.
Ignorant or what!

79 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:17:16am

re: #76 pingjockey

Does anyone know IF McCain voted for those 4 he named? I doubt there is a place on the 'tubes with every senators voting record for their entire career, or is there?

There is a place that has voting records going back years. Wait and I'll check.

80 William  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:18:07am

A key comparison mentioned by someone above:


WARREN: OK, we've got one last time -- I've got a bunch more, but let me ask you one about evil. Does evil exist? And if it does, do we ignore it? Do we negotiate with it? Do we contain it? Do we defeat it?

OBAMA: Evil does exist. I mean, I think we see evil all the time. We see evil in Darfur. We see evil, sadly, on the streets of our cities. We see evil in parents who viciously abuse their children. I think it has to be confronted. It has to be confronted squarely, and one of the things that I strongly believe is that, now, we are not going to, as individuals, be able to erase evil from the world. That is God's task, but we can be soldiers in that process, and we can confront it when we see it.

Now, the one thing that I think is very important is for to us have some humility in how we approach the issue of confronting evil, because a lot of evil's been perpetrated based on the claim that we were trying to confront evil.

-------------------------------

WARREN: How about the issue of evil. I asked this of your rival, in the previous debate. Does evil exist and, if so, should ignore it, negotiate it with it, contain it or defeat it?

MCCAIN: Defeat it. A couple of points. One, if I'm president of the United States, my friends, if I have to follow him to the gates of hell, I will get bin Laden and bring him to justice. I will do that. And I know how to do that. I will get that done. (APPLAUSE). No one, no one should be allowed to take thousands of American -- innocent American lives.

Of course, evil must be defeated. My friends, we are facing the transcended challenge of the 21st century -- radical Islamic extremism.

Not long ago in Baghdad, al Qaeda took two young women who were mentally disabled, and put suicide vests on them, sent them into a marketplace and, by remote control, detonated those suicide vests. If that isn't evil, you have to tell me what is. And we're going to defeat this evil. And the central battleground according to David Petraeus and Osama bin Laden is the battle, is Baghdad, Mosul, Basra and Iraq and we are winning and succeeding and our troops will come home with honor and with victory and not in defeat. And that's what's happening.

And we have -- and we face this threat throughout the world. It's not just in Iraq. It's not just in Afghanistan. Our intelligence people tell us al Qaeda continues to try to establish cells here in the United States of America. My friends, we must face this challenge. We can face this challenge. And we must totally defeat it, and we're in a long struggle. But when I'm around, the young men and women who are serving this nation in uniform, I have no doubt, none.

[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

81 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:18:22am

re: #79 galloping granny
That is where I'm trying to get to and my 'puter along with algore's invention is moving at the speed of smell.

82 Syrah  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:18:39am

Obama makes it easier to vote for McCain.

83 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:18:57am

re: #76 pingjockey

Does anyone know IF McCain voted for those 4 he named? I doubt there is a place on the 'tubes with every senators voting record for their entire career, or is there?

if I can find what the actual date of the vote(s) were, I think we can see them here [Link: www.senate.gov...]

84 BigJohn  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:19:27am

re: #78 yma o hyd

No, sattv4u2 accidentally wrote Korean instead Vietnamese.

85 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:19:38am

re: #64 JustMyView

Nope, there's a big difference between nominating someone and voting for them. You could google the words if you're unsure of their meaning.

86 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:19:43am

re: #78 yma o hyd

Did they really say 'North Koreans'?

Oh.My.Gawd.
Ignorant or what!

get over yourself. I'm sitting here typing SATIRE and I typed KOREA instead of VIETNAM!

87 JHW  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:20:20am

re: #72 galloping granny

For sure some of the interrogators were Cubans and they were thoroughly detested by the POWs, they were considered nastier than the North Vietnamese,

88 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:21:44am

re: #79 galloping granny

There is a place that has voting records going back years. Wait and I'll check.

Sorry, doesn't go back that far. Only to 1995.

89 yma o hyd  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:22:36am

re: #84 BigJohn

No, sattv4u2 accidentally wrote Korean instead Vietnamese.

I forgive him - but only because this error fits in so well with the general level of knowiness displayed by the KosKidz.

90 Catttt  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:23:03am

re: #64 JustMyView

Is anyone bothered by the fact that McCain voted for the judges he said he would not have nominated?

No.

91 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:23:10am

If you want the substantive smackdown on Obama, KJ Lopez really hits it out of the park:

Doubting Thomas
What exactly is Barack Obama’s problem with Clarence Thomas?

By Kathryn Jean Lopez
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

92 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:23:42am

I found that Ginsburg was confirmed in the senate 93-6, o it wasn't just McCain from the Repubs that voted for her (if in fact he did(

93 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:23:53am

re: #81 pingjockey

That is where I'm trying to get to and my 'puter along with algore's invention is moving at the speed of smell.

Are you using Firefox 2 by chance? I saw great improvement when I installed 3. I also had a huge problem with my AVG antivirus after I had to upgrade it to 8.0 - slower than molasses. I finally uninstalled it and put in Comodo. End of problem.

94 Dizzy26  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:24:38am

re: #10 Nevergiveup

I've tried that approach when I was a young whipper snapper on first dates, and it never worked out so well for me either?

ROTFLMAO

95 yma o hyd  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:24:41am

re: #86 sattv4u2

get over yourself. I'm sitting here typing SATIRE and I typed KOREA instead of VIETNAM!

Heh.
They could have said just that, see, thats why I wanted confirmation.

(Nice satire!)

96 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:24:42am

re: #88 galloping granny

Sorry, doesn't go back that far. Only to 1995.

I have one that goes back further, but I would need the actual date of lets say the Ginsburg vote in the senate

[Link: www.senate.gov...]

97 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:25:00am

re: #92 sattv4u2

I found that Ginsburg was confirmed in the senate 93-6, o it wasn't just McCain from the Repubs that voted for her (if in fact he did(

I think there is a big difference in voting for someone who has been nominated and nominating someone.

98 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:26:19am

McCain likely voted for them all. He has said that elections have consequences, and he views the advice and consent role as one of evaluating qualifications and scholarship, or some such.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg got 96 yes votes, or something. The GOP knew she had worked for Teddy Kennedy and the ACLU, but in a professional sense, she was clearly qualified for the job when Clinton nominated her.

I'll go look for the floor speech....

99 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:27:13am

re: #97 galloping granny

I think there is a big difference in voting for someone who has been nominated and nominating someone.

true ,,, as I stated, MANY republicans voted to allow Ginsburg on, but NONE of them nominated her (nor ushered her through the process as fred Thompson did with Roberts)

100 debutaunt  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:27:36am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Nope, there's a big difference between nominating someone and voting for them. You could google the words if you're unsure of their meaning.

hahahahahahahahahhaaha

101 Arbalest  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:28:06am

Let’s see:

Both Clarence Thomas & Barak Hussein Obama graduated from law school. Then their career paths diverge.

Clarence Thomas: (from Wikipedia)
1974-1977: Assistant Attorney General, of Missouri
1977-1979: Attorney with Monsanto
1981-1982: Assistant Secretary of Education, US Office of Civil Rights
1982-1990: Chairman, US EEOC EEOC
1990 Judge, Court of Appeals, Washington DC

Barak Hussein Obama
Activist, etc.
1992–1996: Lecturer, Constitutional Law, U. of Chicago
1996–2004: Senior Lecturer, Constitutional Law, U. of Chicago
1993-2004: Lawyer with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland
1997-2004: State Senator & somehow involved with one Tony Rezko (now Convict - IL) and numerous housing renovation projects, several of which failed, somehow involving $43million. Where is the money?
2005 – present: US Senator,
- helped to vote $1million to wife’s employer, while wife, doubtless through hard, senior executive work, obtained 190% pay raise;
- obtained $2.6million house for $1.6million, with help of Tony Rezko

. . . . . . ahhh, now I see the reason for the “experience” comment.

102 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:28:54am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Nope, there's a big difference between nominating someone and voting for them. You could google the words if you're unsure of their meaning.

re: #100 debutaunt

WOW ,,, I googled "WORDS" and came up with 763,000,000 hits !

103 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:29:22am
I will make one other comment. We are dragging out this process for no good reason. We all know what the outcome of the vote is going to be. We have other pressing business, including lobbying reform, which needs to be taken up by this body. We have pending the issue of the PATRIOT Act. There are many issues we should be addressing and at least beginning to work on, rather than dragging out this process. I wish my colleagues on the other side of the aisle would see fit to bring this process to a close and let us vote on Judge Alito and move on to other pressing issues.

The fact that there will probably be a large number of votes on that side of the aisle against Judge Alito doesn’t upset me as much as it saddens me. I didn’t agree with the judicial philosophy of Justice Breyer or Justice Ginsburg. I knew that Justice Ginsburg worked for the ACLU and held liberal views. But I also believe that elections have consequences. The President of the United States-at that time, President Clinton-nominated them as his selection. There were very few-a handful of votes against either Justice Breyer or Justice Ginsburg.

When there is a large number of votes against this highly qualified individual, it is a symptom of the rather bitter partisanship that exists in this body today, and I regret that very much. There are pressing issues, such as Iran and their rapid acquisition of nuclear weapons, which spring to mind. We have to sit down in an atmosphere of mutual trust and respect and work on these things. I will be very sad when I see this large vote against this good and decent American, but, more importantly, I will be upset because we continue to engage in the kind of partisanship which has even been ratcheted up lately on lobbying reform, when we should be working out a common approach and a common cure for a significant illness that afflicts this body and the Capitol today.


[Link: www.stephenbainbridge.com...]

I'd recommend reading the entire prof bainbridge post...it's excellent

104 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:31:51am

re: #80 William

That should lose the election for Obama right there.

105 gedaliya  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:32:31am

McCain voted for Ginsberg, Souter and Breyer. Stevens was appointed in 1975, well before McCain's 1986 election to the Senate.

Souter, appointed by Bush 41, was opposed by Ted Kennedy and Kerry, and was thought to be a conservative. Both Ginsberg and Breyer were appointed by Clinton and received overwhelming support by the Senate.

106 tappin52  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:34:14am

re: #43 nyc redneck

oh yeah, a pencil neck geek who can hardly ride a bicycle (w/ training wheels).

Has anyone else thought that the picture of Obama on his bicycle reminded them of Squidward Tentacles?

107 lifeofthemind  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:34:32am

Later gators

108 Syrah  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:34:54am

re: #64 JustMyView

Is anyone bothered by the fact that McCain voted for the judges he said he would not have nominated?

Should Republicans treat a Democrat's Court nominations with as much partisanship as Democrats have recently treated Republican Court nominations?

109 Dizzy26  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:37:27am

re: #104 funky chicken

That should lose the election for Obama right there.

Hey Mister/Ms...your comment yesterday about The Reverend Dr. R. Warren being a "slime ball' was the poorest taste I have seen at LGF since I got here in 2004.

nuff said to you...It won't break your heart, But I have read enough of your sh-t

110 kuffar  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:37:50am

re: #108 Syrah

Should Republicans treat a Democrat's Court nominations with as much partisanship as Democrats have recently treated Republican Court nominations?

The Republican love of Civility in government is costing us. We should play the game like Democrats.

111 snowcrash  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:38:44am

re: #103 funky chicken
Great supporting links in 91 and 103.

112 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:39:35am

re: #106 tappin52

PeeWee Herrman

113 tappin52  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:42:01am

re: #112 DistantThunder

LOL

114 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:42:17am

re: #111 snowcrash

thanks :-)

115 Dizzy26  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:42:30am

Anyone know how Rowdy Bush is doing.'?

116 Syrah  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:42:59am

re: #110 kuffar

The Republican love of Civility in government is costing us. We should play the game like Democrats.

The Democrats use "Civility" as a cudgel word to cow weak spirited Republicans.

Politics is a sport played with fists and clubs, not with doilies and fine china tea sets.

117 tappin52  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:46:03am

A person without strong convictions could have listened to Obama last night and thought he was reasonable and "likeable enough". However, his performance withered after listening to McCain. I worry about those who didn't have the constitution to listen to the whole program.

118 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:48:12am

Sen. Obama not using the "E" word is like remembering not to use the word ROPE in the home of someone who was HANGED. That is all.

-S-

119 billhedrick  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:50:53am

The thing is Souter looked better to us on the right when nominated than he does now, so i don't have a problem with McCain voting for him. Ginsburg and Breyer? Well Republicans tended to let the President have his nominees where the Dims nitpicked all of Bush's choices.

As mentioned approving and nominating are quite different.

120 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:54:57am

There's a terrific spinoff link below connecting the Obama to some of the decisions Justice Clarence voted on. Very revealing. The Obama is jealous of Thomas and his authentic "black" experience. Petty little child mind.

121 kuffar  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 11:58:03am

I have one test for Supreme Court which is their judicial record.

How many times have their ruilings been overturned?
How many times have they agreed with a lower court ruling?
How many times have their rulings been upheld by a higher court?

Simple test. I bet you 9 times out of 10 a judge who has been over-ruled few times, upheld lots of times and been upheld lots of times is on the right side of political spectrum.

122 Steffan  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 12:04:23pm

re: #21 lifeofthemind

That kind of nerve is not the same as courage. It does not indicate an ability to stay clear headed during a crisis or when threatened by a bully.

McCain has courage, which he has demonstrated repeatedly.

Obama has hubris and chutzpah, which he, also, has demonstrated repeatedly.

Even the NYT is beginning to tell the difference.

As Senator Barack Obama prepares to accept the Democratic presidential nomination next week, party leaders in battleground states say the fight ahead against Senator John McCain looks tougher than they imagined, with Mr. Obama vulnerable on multiple fronts despite weeks of cross-country and overseas campaigning.

These Democrats — 15 governors, members of Congress and state party leaders — say Mr. Obama has yet to convert his popularity among many Americans into solutions to crucial electoral challenges: showing ownership of an issue, like economic stewardship or national security; winning over supporters of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton; and minimizing his race and experience level as concerns for voters.

Mr. Obama has run for the last 18 months as the candidate of hope. Yet party leaders — while enthusiastic about Mr. Obama and his state-by-state campaign operations — say he must do more to convince the many undecided Democrats and independents that he would address their financial anxieties rather than run, by and large, as an agent of change — given that change, they note, is not an issue.

Did somebody at the Old Gray Strumpet forget to drink their Kool-Aid?

123 Steffan  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 12:19:35pm

Incidentally, somebody at dKos has also left off the Kool-Aid for the morning.

Here's my bottom line reaction: McCain came across as someone who had a compass that would occasionally point 180 degrees in the wrong direction, was only occasionally spot on North, but generally would lead northish and he would keep us moving in that general direction. Obama knows what a compass is and thinks it's a wonderful concept, something worth thinking and talking about. Someday he may very well lead those of us with enough patience and longevity of lifetime pretty much directly north if he can get it all figured out.

Somebody LIKE Bill Clinton (obviously NOT Bill Clinton) has to take Obama in hand. He has to do better technically. But we all have to realize that McCain AT HIS BEST is formidable against anybody, and we are going to have to work like hell and not sit back and think this is a doddering old man that we can win against by default.

124 fmfnavydoc  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 1:03:16pm

Barry O - the Wizard of Ahhhh's!

125 kansas  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 1:21:44pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

I found that Ginsburg was confirmed in the senate 93-6, o it wasn't just McCain from the Repubs that voted for her (if in fact he did(

When there is a Democrat President the Senate typically honors the choice for the court......When there is a Republican President there's a food fight.

126 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 1:27:10pm

re: #122 Steffan

Did somebody at the Old Gray Strumpet forget to drink their Kool-Aid?

No, they are seeing the writing on the wall and don't want to get caught with their pants down. Look for fireworks and surprises in Denver. And get the popcorn ready!

127 jimzinsocal  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 2:39:46pm

I need to jam this in somewhere because I just finished demolishing an assertion at the place I work.

The assertion is Obama is outperforming McCain in donations from our active /overseas military....by 6:1.
Please. Examine the sample size as a % and you will reach the same conclusion. Its a Maytag Moment...full spin cycle.
Pass the into along

[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

A sample size of less than 3000 and Obama and the media reach an obnoxious conclusion?
Thats rich. I guess we can all stop voting after Vermont casts its ballots in November.

128 quickjustice  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 2:39:56pm

He's starting to sound like Porky Pig on steroids!

129 LesLein  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 3:00:46pm

I think Obama engaged in what psychologists call "projection."

Clarence Thomas faced much more vilification than Obama. Consider the following quotes:

Carl Rowan -- "If they had put David Duke on, I wouldn't scream as much because they would look at David Duke for what he is. If you gave Clarence Thomas a little flour on his face, you'd think you had David Duke talking."

Barbara Reynolds -- "If Hugo Black, who once was a member of the KKK, could become a distinguished liberal justice, there is hop that a Negro can turn black. Maybe Thomas, who would have lifetime employment as a justice, could find his soul."

Professor Derrick Bell, Harvard Law School -- "The choice of a black like Clarence Thomas replicates the slave masters' practice of elevating to overseer (and other positions of quasipower) those slaves willing to mimic the masters' views, carry out orders and by their presence provide a perverse legitimacy to the oppression they aided and approved."

Representative Major Owens -- Called Thomas a "negative role model" and compared Thomas to Petain and Quisling.

Dean Haywood Burns of the City University of New York Law School -- Said in the New York TImes "Well if it moves like a snake, coils like a snake, hisses like a snake, then ... What's that you say Grandma? Get you a sharp hoe?"

Jesse Jackson -- "Judge Thomas is a strange creature."

All of these statements were made before Joan of Arc went public.

130 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 3:51:37pm

re: #30 nyc redneck

On the wake up flag is written: chuck the Democratic party and start a new, loyal party.

131 Ledger1  Sun, Aug 17, 2008 9:16:31pm

re: #51 lifeofthemind

He wants it in theory but not in practice. In practice he only theorizes about the action that he wants but his theory precludes in practice performing an act that his practice desires in theory. Isn't that easy? For further elucidation I recommend Yes Minister.


That the type of thinking you get when you have 300 advisers from all of the 57 states.

/

132 ensignsj  Mon, Aug 18, 2008 6:39:33am

It's funny that African Americans can't appreciate their own realizing success unless they toe the racial line of victimhood that has led the black community to its sad current state. It looked like Obama was almost taking the Booker T. Washington line when he was going toe to toe with Jessie Jackson, but this just the same old rhetoric that has doomed his "community."

I would like to know what exactly Obama's interpretation of the Constitution is. I would guess it's really an interpretation of the socially charged extrapolations of the Warren and Berger courts that bear no resemblance to original intent.

133 azul93gt  Mon, Aug 18, 2008 11:46:06am

"Is anyone bothered by the fact that McCain voted for the judges he said he would not have nominated?" - justmyview

It shouldn't bother anyone. It's not the senator's duty to oppose nominees on partisan or political grounds, which is commonly practised by Democrats.

Does it bother you that this agent of 'change' is always uttering the same hacknied liberal rhetoric that every other donk candidate has done including the standard issue bashing of Clarence Thomas, which he could have avoided but didn't know any better.

134 ladycatnip  Mon, Aug 18, 2008 12:31:25pm

I know this is probably a dead thread, but the latest news is the Obama people are saying McCain wasn't in a cone of silence and got a head's up on the questions - WHY? Because he outperformed Obama! Of course McCain couldn't outperform their enlightened One, so he must have cheated.

What a bunch of losers.


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