Not much of "truce".

They never stop thinking of killing jews.

I guess by "Uneasy Ceasefire" she means one side ceases while the other fires.

Expecting UN and left-wing to blame Israel for forcing those Hamas members to work.

Honestly, i never saw a Pali work... except those in weapons factories. I guess they have something against work.

"what happens behind the scenes of a truce"

Is the Hamas running this bomb factory the very same Hamas that the King of Jordan just recognized as a legal entity?

The truce/cease fire is mostly holding.

Except every day when it's not

Qassam hits western Negev, causing no injuries

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

The Media is the enemy. And Barack Obama is their candidate of choice...

Yeah well. Everyone needs a hobby. Personally, I prefer coaching Pop Warner football or playing bass guitar. Others seem to enjoy killing and maiming in their off time. But hey... who are we to judge?

F'ing savages.

re: #10 lhc996rider

F'ing savages.

CNN? yeah

Nobody should think that the pathetic Government in Jerusalem isn't paying attention. They are. And they got the perfect response.

The cabinet on Sunday approved the release of close to 200 Palestinian prisoners as a gesture to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Among those slated for released include two prisoners thought to have "blood on their hands."

One of the Palestinians expected to be freed is said to have dispatched terrorists to carry out an attack while the other attempted to carry out an attack of his own.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

re: #9 Fenway_Nation

The Media is the enemy. And Barack Obama is their candidate of choice...

Well I always thought the Red Sox were the enemy, but I guess that is for another thread and another day in a galaxy far away.

Well I always thought the Red Sox were the enemy, but I guess that is for another thread and another day in a galaxy far away.

As a Red Wings fan... the enemy is the Avalanche.

Game on!

China confiscates Bibles from American Christians

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Yup, so glad the Olympics were awarded to them!

I'd hate to try to convince my wife that I detested prostitution after taking a friendly tour from a prostitute of a whorehouse. CNN can't convince me they detest terrorism when they take friendly tours from terrorists of a terrorist bomb making facility either.

Does using the term "militants" instead of "terrorists" enrage you the way it does me ?

Because I for one am SICK and FUCKING TIRED of the MSM's repugnant attempts at moral equivalence.

These are murderers and terrorists, NOT militants.

Grrrrr.

Defeat it! no more talk and placating of these vermin.
DEFEAT IT!

re: #16 WayDownSouthInBama

I'd hate to try to convince my wife that I detested prostitution after taking a friendly tour from a prostitute of a whorehouse. CNN can't convince me they detest terrorism when they take friendly tours from terrorists of a terrorist bomb making facility either.

Personally, I think that reporters who go that far should be treated as terrorists themselves.

re: #16 WayDownSouthInBama

I'd hate to try to convince my wife that I detested prostitution after taking a friendly tour from a prostitute of a whorehouse. CNN can't convince me they detest terrorism when they take friendly tours from terrorists of a terrorist bomb making facility either.

I wonder how they would describe Auschwitz?

If the factory had a work accident during the tour, there is no doubt who CNN would blame.

Would you like a side of pit with your hudna?

Dammit, this pisses me off.

CNN criticizes at EVERY F*CKING turn our military activities but at the same time will bend over and kiss the arses of these 'civilians.' These guys aren't worthy of any glory. They are only worthy of BEING DEAD.

Sooner or later there will be a severe response to these idiots by a well trained and non-relenting military (e.g., once they start they don't stop until the job is done).

It's a real shame that we all have to wait (and some of us die) b/c of the political correctness of the times. Diplomacy used to be simple in these matters: you f*ck with us, we respond. Now, it's a confusing mix of bullshit that benefits idiots like this (HAMAS).

AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGG!

Where is HARALD HARDRADA WHEN YOU NEED HIM?!

Israel Chi
lo paslestine

re: #21 pat

If the factory had a work accident during the tour, there is no doubt who CNN would blame.

Did you notice the dents on that warhead? They gotta stop dropping the things....

The armed wing of a militant group? Do the other militants lie around and write strongly worded letters?

re: #17 ruexperienced

oh hell yes, and gunman and militant

I wonder if the CNN headquarters was blown up if they'd be calling them militants.

re: #27 pegcity

No but they would all blame George Bush!

Meanwhile, Egyptian women are finding that wearing veils increases sexual harassment.

It f'd up can a little region be?

re: #27 pegcity

oh hell yes, and gunman and militant

I wonder if the CNN headquarters was blown up if they'd be calling them militants.

They would still be wetting themselves every time the 'militants' decided to grace them with a look or word.

re: #26 MandyManners

The armed wing of a militant group? Do the other militants lie around and write strongly worded letters?

If they did I'm sure they'd find gainful employment rather quickly with the UN or EU !

no islmofascists no terror

re: #26 MandyManners

The armed wing of a militant group? Do the other militants lie around and write strongly worded letters?

The portent of the Obama Presidency

Dear Russia,

PLEASE leave Georgia,, PLEASE ,, I can't make that PLEASE strong enough,,, so ummmm,,,,,uhhhh,,, ex ,,,,,

Barry

re: #13 Nevergiveup

re: #14 LHC996Rider

I was watching the Fox Sports Net Detroit Feed of a Yankees/Tigers game at Yankee stadium earlier this year....I think this was while the Stanley cup finals were underway. During one of the stoppages, the cameraman found a guy in an Yzerman Red Wings jersey walking through the aisles....one of those 'Oh look! There's a Detroit fan' deals. As the camera is on this guy, he suddenly stops and addresses someone out of view. There's no audio, but the guy in the Yzerman jersey promptly extends the single-finger salute to whoever was adressing him. Apparently that wasn't enough, because after a moment, the guy in the Yzerman jersey begins climbing over the seats to get to whoever was yelling at him....

/and then the camera cut back to the game

re: #32 yochanan

no islmofascists no terror

Any Hitchikers Guide fans out there this morning ?

This reminds me of the infamous "Bug Blatter Beast Of Traal", a creature so devoid of intelligence it believed that if you couldn't see it, then it could not see you !

re: #8 buzzsawmonkey

Hi ho, hi ho
Rocket-making we go
Because we choose to kill some Jews
With a hi, hi ho

Not one of your better efforts. :)

escorting CNN journalists on guided tours of their “metal shops” and training camps

Did they get to go to the Aquarium and out for Ice cream later?

re: #27 pegcity

oh hell yes, and gunman and militant

I wonder if the CNN headquarters was blown up if they'd be calling them militants.

No but they would be calling MSNBC the 2nd highest rated cable new network!

re: #38 Nevergiveup

No but they would be calling MSNBC the 2nd highest rated cable new network!

MSNBC wouldn't rank #2 if all other networks closed today!

re: #35 ruexperienced

Any Hitchikers Guide fans out there this morning ?

This reminds me of the infamous "Bug Blatter Beast Of Traal", a creature so devoid of intelligence it believed that if you couldn't see it, then it could not see you !

Why, that would be

"the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (a mindboggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can’t see it, it can’t see you - daft as a bush, but very ravenous)"

Nope, never heard of it.
/

re: #38 Nevergiveup

I wonder if these guys get school credit for this stuff? Looks like a variant form of shop class.....

Well, if Oblahblah loses the election, he can always go work for these guys. It's clear he's got a lot of experience polishing rockets.

re: #35 ruexperienced

Any Hitchikers Guide fans out there this morning ?

This reminds me of the infamous "Bug Blatter Beast Of Traal", a creature so devoid of intelligence it believed that if you couldn't see it, then it could not see you !

When I was in the army I had a 2nd Lieutenant who worked for me that was certain that the red lens caps that we placed over our flashlights could not be seen by the enemy. The guy would walk around turning that damned thing on whenever he needed to find something like he was at a boy scout campout.

When I found out about it (First Sargent told me) I went over and tried to reason with him: "Have you ever driven at night? Did you see the stop lights? Did you see the brake lights of the vehicle in front of you?"

I had to take the flashlight away from him.

Point is, such people exist (sometimes not for long).

re: #35 ruexperienced

it is the liberal intelligentsia, the folks who claim to know more than the rest of us that are taking a blind eye on islmo fascist terrorism.

Just because the islmo fascist aren't very good at murdering Jews does mean they don't try.

no need to nuance this issue they want me and mine dead just like the grand mufti of Jerusalem and his Allie Herr snickelgruber.

re: #41 Barry the Baptist

I wonder if these guys get school credit for this stuff? Looks like a variant form of shop class.....

I don't know, but the kids who used to put cherry bombs in the toilets used to get suspended in my day?

Get that popcorn ready boys & girls and lay in a good beverage supply. It's on in Denver -

Rep.: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC

Rep. Loretta Sanchez says she’s happy for the chance to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Democratic National Convention — and she predicts that as many as half of the Democrats in the House could join her.

re: #34 Fenway_Nation

We hockey fans are a passionate bunch, for sure. My G/F wore a Calgary jersey to a Coyotes/Oilers game. She was verbally abused everywhere we went. I defended her honour, of course. hehe

re: #43 karmic_inquisitor

my pops was a master sargent and idiots like your second lt. would get people killed even in peace time he would call them 90 day wonders. as in it is a wonder if they live 90 days.

"Gazan militant group."

(Mr. Rogers voice)
Say terrorist. Can you say terrorist? I know you could.

I'm surprised -- by which I mean "totally unsurprised" -- to see the rancor directed toward CNN here.

And several details about the report irk me. But let's not lose the forest in the trees. They've filed an excellent report here that shows Palestinians busily making rockets, practicing hostage-taking, scaling walls, etc, despite an ostensible truce.

That's good work.

Yeah, CNN went among the wolves to get the information. But I like seeing what the wolves are doing.

Imagine this if you will.:

What if there was a murdering serial rapist on the loose in the US? What if,after many brutal and deadly attacks,the CNN news crew found the guy and had an interview with him as he boasted of his actions? What if he promised more of the same to come? What if,after this was broadcast all over the world,CNN refused to disclose the location or identity of the guy as the attacks continued? Would there be outrage?

So what's the difference between my hypothetical and the reality of what CNN is doing now with terrorists? Where's the outrage?

re: #47 LHC996Rider

We hockey fans are a passionate bunch, for sure. My G/F wore a Calgary jersey to a Coyotes/Oilers game. She was verbally abused everywhere we went. I defended her honour, of course. hehe

what did you do, hold her beer and cheer for her while she went after them?

re: #43 karmic_inquisitor

Now, that's not a veiled shot at all Officers is it? Because that is the way it sounds from here.

re: #50 Cognito

Yeah, CNN went among the wolves to get the information. But I like seeing what the wolves are doing.

Just give us the wolves address. Then we can go see HOW they're doing (after several large objects fall out of planes on them)

I beleive in war, it's called ,,, ummm,, lemme think,,,, ummm,, oh yes ,

AIDING AND ABETTING!

re: #50 Cognito

At what point will you, personally, have an issue with a news outlet recording and airing footage of murderous thugs?

re: #50 Cognito

We know what the wolves are doing. We see the results of their feeding on the innocent every day. There's really no need to watch them plan the kill,make it, or devour the prey to know what they are capable of doing. The only thing we need to know is where the Den is located so we can stop them.

re: #1 Syrah

Not much of "truce".

They are just playing the popular Gaza game "Truce or Dare".

re: #50 Cognito

We know they are still making rockets and performing silly "military" training. The issue here is that those rockets will be fired into civilian areas and the CNN crew filmed the preparation. Would it have been acceptable for CNN to film the preparations for 9-11? How about 7/7? Why is it acceptable for them to embed with Palestinian terrorists but not terrorists in other countries?

re: #55 Sharmuta

At what point will you, personally, have an issue with a news outlet recording and airing footage of murderous thugs?

I have no problem with them recording and airing footage of murderous thugs, as long as it's clear they're murderous thugs. Note, once again:

They've filed an excellent report here that shows Palestinians busily making rockets, practicing hostage-taking, scaling walls, etc, despite an ostensible truce.

re: #50 Cognito

Honestly, do you think that CNN pays no price for access?

re: #50 Cognito

...and if this CNN crew had been killed by an Israeli stike on that factory they'd bitch and complain about targeting journalists.

When they wear those masks, you can't tell which one is Willy Wonka.

re: #59 Cognito

I have no problem with them recording and airing footage of murderous thugs, as long as it's clear they're murderous thugs. Note, once again:

They've filed an excellent report here that shows Palestinians busily making rockets, practicing hostage-taking, scaling walls, etc, despite an ostensible truce.

And this is news to whom exactly?

re: #54 sattv4u2

Yeah, CNN went among the wolves to get the information. But I like seeing what the wolves are doing.

Just give us the wolves address. Then we can go see HOW they're doing (after several large objects fall out of planes on them)

I beleive in war, it's called ,,, ummm,, lemme think,,,, ummm,, oh yes ,

AIDING AND ABETTING!

I have to agree. After all, if a "reporter" decided to ride along in the get away car at a bank robbery so that he could "report" on things, he would find himself rotting in jail along with the guys who walked out of the bank with the $$$. Accessory.

re: #59 Cognito

So- you would never have a problem with a news outlet recording and airing footage of murderous thugs?

re: #61 Killgore Trout

...and if this CNN crew had been killed by an Israeli stike on that factory they'd bitch and complain about targeting journalists.

OTOH, if they just accidentally left behind a small GPS transponder, well, oops.

Okay Israel, whenever you see burning tires and smoke...bomb the hell out of that entire bit of land. Go for broke!

They're "training" hostage takers...no doubt they're also training their men in the methods of torture (and I don't mean water-boarding).

You always have been a scumbag Cogs.

Why don't you go among the wolves, so that when Israel fires you'll be among the terrorists your brethren.

Oops, that was meant to be a quote, not bold.

At any rate, I think the terrorists come off looking exactly as they are, in this report. And bringing that information out to air -- educating the public -- is a good thing. Gives people knowledge, and knowledge works against terrorism.

Some are making the argument, "But we already know what they're doing!"

Well, sure. You know what they're doing. But the general public is woefully ignorant.

re: #69 Cognito

But- you didn't answer my question.

re: #59 Cognito

They've filed an excellent report here that shows Palestinians busily making rockets,

OH MY GOD ,, this isn't something that a TV crew was doing for Dirty Jobs ,,, or How It Is Made ,,, or MythBusters ,,,

THIS is the ENEMY preparing for WAR. Give the MILITARY the address ,, NOW!

re: #61 Killgore Trout

...and if this CNN crew had been killed by an Israeli stike on that factory they'd bitch and complain about targeting journalists.

How could they possibly target journalists with ALL THAT SMOKE FROM THE BURNING TIRES?

re: #60 karmic_inquisitor

Honestly, do you think that CNN pays no price for access?

If you have proof of such, by all means shoot it to the email above.

re: #70 Sharmuta

But- you didn't answer my question.

Yes, I did. See No. 59.

re: #69 Cognito

Oops, that was meant to be a quote, not bold.

At any rate, I think the terrorists come off looking exactly as they are, in this report. And bringing that information out to air -- educating the public -- is a good thing. Gives people knowledge, and knowledge works against terrorism.

Some are making the argument, "But we already know what they're doing!"

Well, sure. You know what they're doing. But the general public is woefully ignorant.

You are helping terrorists.

re: #61 Killgore Trout

...and if this CNN crew had been killed by an Israeli stike on that factory they'd bitch and complain about targeting journalists.

They'd have no right to do that.

re: #53 Nevergiveup

Now, that's not a veiled shot at all Officers is it? Because that is the way it sounds from here.

Well considering that I was his commander, no. He was a 2nd LT. That is what he was, and he was smart in many ways, but from the standpoint of defilade he wasn't just an idiot, but a stubborn one at that.

Nothing on the battlefield makes you invisible. You do your best, but assume you are being seen.

re: #75 akak

You are helping terrorists.

Sweet. You know me?

Let's grab lunch.

re: #74 Cognito

No- you didn't. I asked at what point you personally have a problem with recording and airing footage of thugs. What you told me was you're too busy making excuses for this report to answer my question.

re: #48 yochanan

my pops was a master sargent and idiots like your second lt. would get people killed even in peace time he would call them 90 day wonders. as in it is a wonder if they live 90 days.

I had always thought that term was associated with officers who came through OCS - otherwise called "shake and bake" in my day.

re: #53 Nevergiveup

NO JUST INCOMPETENT BOOBS who happen to be Jr grade officers.

Lt Kerry for example.

now my father never talked about his war time experiences but he had no problem with talking about the peace time military.

the guy with no experience telling the guy with lots of experience

one of the best guys he had came in and said look i know this is my first posting and said i know you have been running the place and he really listened to my father's experience. later as he got real hands one experience it was interesting were he did the same thing my father would have done.

re: #79 Sharmuta

ok

re: #75 akak

You are helping terrorists.

I think you're going over-board here. I don't know Cog that well, but he seems to be speaking, albeit on an issue where I disagree with him, rationally.

One good thing: we get the enemy used to taking in journalists, next thing you know every Special Forces guy is running around with a green scarf and a video-camera. Good guys win!

Cease fire eternal victim style means - time to re-load.

re: #73 Cognito

If you have proof of such, by all means shoot it to the email above.

Maybe the price paid for CNN and some other hostile outlets is the running with the propoganda. Like 3,000 killed by viscous Israeli's in Jenin or 10,000 killed and wounded by viscous Israeli's in Lebanon.

re: #73 Cognito

If you have proof of such, by all means shoot it to the email above.

Better yet, here is the link:

[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

re: #82 Cognito

So- you're not going to answer me? Does that mean at no point would you have a problem?

re: #77 karmic_inquisitor

Just joking. From one Officer to another.

re: #83 DeathtotheSwiss

I think you're going over-board here. I don't know Cog that well, but he seems to be speaking, albeit on an issue where I disagree with him, rationally.

One good thing: we get the enemy used to taking in journalists, next thing you know every Special Forces guy is running around with a green scarf and a video-camera. Good guys win!

Cog will correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty positive that it is 100% against the rules for our service members to pretend to be journalists.

One reason why it is hard to trust CNN.

I don't these these guys are exper...uh strong builders of bombs.

re: #80 karmic_inquisitor

OCS is were most of these idiots came from if you went through a 4 year military academy. you generally had more brains that that.

re: #88 Nevergiveup

Just joking. From one Officer to another.

Got it. Sorry - been accused of it in earnest.

re: #76 Cognito

Also CNN failed to tell us about the location. My guess it was in a private house with women and children in the next room, possibly near a school, hospital, or busy market. Why did CNN fail to mention that? I see this attitude that they can morally distance themselves from the crimes they are recording very disturbing. They take the same attitude are if they were making a nature documentary, they won't judge or interfere despite the fact there are innocent human lives at risk. It's nihilism.

re: #92 yochanan

OCS is were most of these idiots came from if you went through a 4 year military academy. you generally had more brains that that.

Yup. The 90 day wonder bit refers to the 90 days of Officer Candidate School.

re: #78 Cognito

Sweet. You know me?

Let's grab lunch.

re: #83 DeathtotheSwiss

I think you're going over-board here. I don't know Cog that well, but he seems to be speaking, albeit on an issue where I disagree with him, rationally.

One good thing: we get the enemy used to taking in journalists, next thing you know every Special Forces guy is running around with a green scarf and a video-camera. Good guys win!

Yeah I guess CNN sniper videos & this edition playing to the world doesn't give them exactly what they want. The fact that it is called good work doesn't validate their work.

Us or them & fuck all them -sooner they stop breathing the better.

re: #87 Sharmuta

So- you're not going to answer me? Does that mean at no point would you have a problem?

Sorry, Sharmuta, I'm not going to get into a spat with you on an otherwise beautiful Sunday afternoon.

I won't waste words: Your question is silly. There is no continuum on which one end represents "no reports on murderers" and at the other end "all reports on murders." That's childish. Each story must be weighed by its own merits. What is accomplished by airing such a report? Does it, in the end, do more damage to terrorists, or help their cause?

Looking at what the Palestinians are doing in this report, I think it shows them to be the hideous monsters they are.

If that answer doesn't satisfy you, I'm sorry. That's it.

re: #89 galloping granny

Cog will correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty positive that it is 100% against the rules for our service members to pretend to be journalists.

Probably. In fact, I'll go ahead and say you're right. Doesn't mean we shouldn't break the stupid rules when people's lives are on the line. This is war against an enemy who has no such qualms with sending "journalists" in as assassins.

Ahmad Shah Massoud was one of the only men Osama Bin Laden feared... [Link: www.ratical.org...]

re: #97 Cognito

And your answer is bullshit.

re: #94 Killgore Trout

They should have given the location, I believe, yes. But not giving the location doesn't wipe out the value otherwise -- like I said, I think this report reveals the terrorists to be exactly what they are.

You'd be surprised how many people would be surprised by a report like this. People who'd be surprised by the tactics -- hostage taking? really? -- and the timing -- durring a truce? why? -- and so that's a good effect.

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Also CNN failed to tell us about the location. My guess it was in a private house with women and children in the next room, possibly near a school, hospital, or busy market. Why did CNN fail to mention that? I see this attitude that they can morally distance themselves from the crimes they are recording very disturbing. They take the same attitude are if they were making a nature documentary, they won't judge or interfere despite the fact there are innocent human lives at risk. It's nihilism.

Emphasis mine. Good point!

re: #96 akak

Yeah I guess CNN sniper videos & this edition playing to the world doesn't give them exactly what they want. The fact that it is called good work doesn't validate their work.

Us or them & fuck all them -sooner they stop breathing the better.

I didn't realize I had talked about sniper videos.

Your imagination seems to be getting the best of you, akak.

re: #98 DeathtotheSwiss

Probably. In fact, I'll go ahead and say you're right. Doesn't mean we shouldn't break the stupid rules when people's lives are on the line. This is war against an enemy who has no such qualms with sending "journalists" in as assassins.

Ahmad Shah Massoud was one of the only men Osama Bin Laden feared... [Link: www.ratical.org...]

One of the things that makes our country great and has kept our military proud for over 200 years is a little thing called "honor." John McCain told you a little bit about honor last night when he told about refusing to come home because it was against the code of conduct. What he didn't tell you was that he was close to dying. And when you see him do things like raise both arms in a thumbs up instead of put his arm around that pastor, it is because he can't. HONOR.

The rules say you can't pretend to be a journalist - or wear a red cross. It does not matter what other people and "fighters" do.

Cognito, why do you feel it important to defend CNN?

re: #104 Syrah

Cognito, why do you feel it important to defend CNN?

I don't. I feel disgusted by them all the time. I would have said the same of this report no matter who aired it -- they put in some good stuff, there, that reveals the Palestinians to be eroding the so-called truce with great vigor.

re: #103 galloping granny

Bravo.

re: #104 Syrah

Cognito, why do you feel it important to defend CNN?

I don't see Cognito defending CNN. I see him presenting an alternate point of view about the purpose of that report.

You don't have to agree with his point of view. We do have to allow him the right to reasonably and courteously present it.

re: #85 Nevergiveup

Maybe the price paid for CNN and some other hostile outlets is the running with the propoganda. Like 3,000 killed by viscous Israeli's in Jenin or 10,000 killed and wounded by viscous Israeli's in Lebanon.

vicious

viscous refers to a 'thick' liquid, e.g. molasses

/spelling police, out...

No doubt this ongoing war must be stopped, and not by a hudna....the question is how. The Chechen model used by Russia? 5000 of their own dead, 50-100k civilians, maybe? They can do it and roll into Georgia because they still have 20,000 nuclear weapons and a veto on the Security Council; besides it hasn't wiped out Chechen terrorism. If a an Arab in Gaza stubs his toe, it gets on Sky news and the BBC at least, and a resolution for the GA if not an emergency meeting of the Security Council. Starve them? can't do that.

As father of a son who just arrived in Israel to join the IDF, it's worth noting that it's easy for others with no stake to say that the despicable Arabs who take part in this war must be wiped out, especially when it's going be someone else's kid, including maybe mine, who goes in to do it.

I agree, we must fight and win this war on all fronts-how?

I take issue with a lot of my chicken hawk friends who want to sit on the sidelines and say that the US or Israeli armed forces need to turn [fill in the blank; Iran, Gaza, Ramalla, Mecca (my favorite), etc.] into a parking lot. They probably drive around with a "Support the Troops" magnet made in China on their car.

I'd like to see Lizards form a comprehensive analysis of the issue, similar to the RAND Corporation, with perhaps a different result.

My own impulse is to "Drop the Big One Now", but can that really happen? I doubt it would put an end to it. Besides that probably is genocide (never mind that the Muslims are at the same goal, trying to wipe out Jewish, and then Christian and then Muslim DNA).

Good Grief!

re: #107 galloping granny

I don't see Cognito defending CNN. I see him presenting an alternate point of view about the purpose of that report.

You don't have to agree with his point of view. We do have to allow him the right to reasonably and courteously present it.

not during a war

why, they are just two sides in a conflict with their own grievances and complaints. You can't divide this conflict in "black hats" and "white hats".

/do i need to?

re: #105 Cognito

I would agree that it is good that they aired this report.

I think that the hostility that the American MSM receives from the public and here especially, is that they claim that they are "unbiased."

It is an impossible standard for a person to uphold. We all have our bias's, many that we are not even aware of.

I think that the MSM, left, right, and center would fair much better if they dropped the silly fantasy of being "unbiased" and just acknowledged that their bias's are reflected in the stories that they tell and don't tell.

I don't think that the Wall Street Journal or that FOX is unbiased. Quite the contrary, but I can appreciate and what I get from those sources with out wondering what they are trying to put over on me. The same goes for the Nation and Slate.

The fiction and fantasy of thinking that they can be and that they can claim to be unbiased is a destroyer the MSM's credibility.

My remote control commando blocked cnn ages ago.

re: #110 akak

not during a war

There is never an excuse to give up your freedom of speech. If you want to have freedom of speech, then you have to allow everyone else the same freedom that you have - especially when they disagree with you.

If we all spouted the same words, it wouldn't be free speech.

There is a huge difference between having a different perspective and being a traitor. Cognito is not a traitor.

re: #109 Kobyashi Maru

the whole use of the term CHICKENHAWK defeats your whole post.

by the way my son will be in the IDF at the end of aug.

re: #112 Syrah

Syrah, you hit the nail on the head; to get a real grasp on what is going on, people need to listen and read a variety of sources, from "fair and balanced" Fox news to NPR, National Palestinian radio, to CNN. Clinton news network...

re: #103 galloping granny

One of the things that makes our country great and has kept our military proud for over 200 years is a little thing called "honor." John McCain told you a little bit about honor last night when he told about refusing to come home because it was against the code of conduct. What he didn't tell you was that he was close to dying. And when you see him do things like raise both arms in a thumbs up instead of put his arm around that pastor, it is because he can't. HONOR.

The rules say you can't pretend to be a journalist - or wear a red cross. It does not matter what other people and "fighters" do.

I'll get right to the point: I'd rather have low-collateral "illegal" assassinations of the enemy master-minds than large-scale conflicts. I'm not always a "greater good" arguer, but in the case of terrorists I am all for getting the job done with as few of our guys getting hurt.

Sadly, those little red crosses are just lead-magnets, as are all in the medical field. We are facing individual evil as well as organizational evil. They kill medics, corpsman and civilians and think nothing of it. The very faith that leads them to fight ensures that they see you, me and every soldier on the battle field as inhuman...worthless.

John McCain is a hero and a role-model, but he cares far more for his people than the enemy, I promise you that. He did what he did because of human integrity as well as the military honor code. He refused special treatment, he refused the chance for freedom so that someone who had been there longer could go home instead.

Rules that are designed to hinder survival and are not followed by our enemies are sure-fire ways of getting our men killed. Do you want to tell a grieving widow or family that "disguises are against regulations" is the reason why more people had to die?

re: #21 pat

If the factory had a work accident during the tour, there is no doubt who CNN would blame.

Netter idea, work accident with a CNN reporter taking most of the blast...

I think the video gives away some vital pieces of information. The training takes place at night. The camp is surrounded by burning tires. There are buildings there and weapons firing. All are clues to help the IDF locate them.

The next minute the "truce" is broken, the IDF can clean house. Thanks CNN.

re: #115 yochanan

Isn't that what they are? We have skin in the game, they want others to fight or take the battle for them...I'm not saying that only people who have been or are in the military have a right to say anything, but with an AVF, it's easy here to be gung-ho with no support for those who serve. I despise the C-H's, so give me a new paradigm for my analysis...

re: #119 ratherdashing

I think the video gives away some vital pieces of information. The training takes place at night. The camp is surrounded by burning tires. There are buildings there and weapons firing. All are clues to help the IDF locate them.

The next minute the "truce" is broken, the IDF can clean house. Thanks CNN.

The truce is broken. They are preparing for war. For the Palestinians a "truce" is a time-out when they're getting their asses handed to them and need a breather.

re: #118 Dustyvet

Netter idea, work accident with a CNN reporter taking most of the blast...

You are a jerk.

re: #117 DeathtotheSwiss

I'll get right to the point: I'd rather have low-collateral "illegal" assassinations of the enemy master-minds than large-scale conflicts. I'm not always a "greater good" arguer, but in the case of terrorists I am all for getting the job done with as few of our guys getting hurt.

Sadly, those little red crosses are just lead-magnets, as are all in the medical field. We are facing individual evil as well as organizational evil. They kill medics, corpsman and civilians and think nothing of it. The very faith that leads them to fight ensures that they see you, me and every soldier on the battle field as inhuman...worthless.

John McCain is a hero and a role-model, but he cares far more for his people than the enemy, I promise you that. He did what he did because of human integrity as well as the military honor code. He refused special treatment, he refused the chance for freedom so that someone who had been there longer could go home instead.

Rules that are designed to hinder survival and are not followed by our enemies are sure-fire ways of getting our men killed. Do you want to tell a grieving widow or family that "disguises are against regulations" is the reason why more people had to die?

All those wives already know that. It comes with the territory. Those who cannot accept this do not remain military spouses for long.

And by the way, disguises are not against the regs - though a soldier caught out of uniform can be executed as a spy. Only certain disguises.

This isn't a public domain- this is private property. No one here has the right to post their opinion- they have the privilege of doing so and the courtesy isn't any of ours to give. That belongs to our host.

re: #124 Sharmuta

This isn't a public domain- this is private property. No one here has the right to post their opinion- they have the privilege of doing so and the courtesy isn't any of ours to give. That belongs to our host.

Then why do you find the discourtesy to be your province? YOU aren't the host here. And frankly, every single time you interact with Cognito, you are abominably rude. If you don't like him, then ignore him. Your displeasure does not invalidate him.

the term 'chickenhawk' is used by liberals to justify there defeatism.

re: #122 Cognito

You are a jerk.

Opinions are like assholes, everybodys got one...You moron!

re: #125 galloping granny

And you know all about being discourteous to your host, don't you?

re: #127 Dustyvet

Opinions are like assholes, everybodys got one...You moron!

I certainly may be a moron. Many have said so, here. But calling for Americans to absorb "most of the blast" is something I would never do.

re: #128 Sharmuta

And you know all about being discourteous to your host, don't you?

I am not being discourteous to my host, am I? I am telling you that you are a rude bitch and you are WAY out of bounds in what you say to Cognito. He has as much right here as you or I do.

re: #130 galloping granny

You're a backstabber and you know it.

re: #129 Cognito

I certainly may be a moron. Many have said so, here. But calling for Americans to absorb "most of the blast" is something I would never do.

Never said a word about americans, how about you learn to read, it's easy if your try. If CNN wishes to consort with terrorists, let the chips fall where they may.

re: #24 yochanan

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We saw am israel chai sprayed all over Israel a couple of years ago. I know what it means, but the way it was done almost looked like a logo. Is there an organization that uses that tag?

re: #115 yochanan

the whole use of the term CHICKENHAWK defeats your whole post.

by the way my son will be in the IDF at the end of aug.

Congratulations to you guys. We did visit Israel, but my son has his eye on the U.S. Marines. He has a while to go. We are surrounded by pacifist types so if he does it I will be proud (I'm a military brat myself).

re: #119 ratherdashing

I think the video gives away some vital pieces of information. The training takes place at night. The camp is surrounded by burning tires. There are buildings there and weapons firing. All are clues to help the IDF locate them.

The next minute the "truce" is broken, the IDF can clean house. Thanks CNN.

You think the truce hasn't been broken?

We had a metal shop like that in my High School. Didn't everyone? /sarc BTW had a medical student from Tel Aviv in the office Saturday. I asked him about the conditions there. He said things were great, the beaches were beautiful, and the girls were awesome.
Not kidding.

Notice Hamasians wear the camo's for the cameras and parades, but when it comes to actually engaging in battle, it's civilian attire. Such men of valor and honor they are.

re: #136 kansas

Hey Kansas, maybe you expected to hear something different? It's all part of the other side of the war on Israel; incessantly, the media shows it as a war zone 24/7.

Unbeknownst to the CNN crew, they were tracked from the pickup point, to the rocket shop, and back to the drop off point. (Not the same as where they were picked up.) Stay tuned......

For some reason I now have "In a Hamas Rocket Factory..." stuck in my head, to the tune of Traffic's "Shanghai Noodle Factory". Weird.

It's not a rocket factory it's one of those milk factories for all those cows that the pfakistinians have to smuggle through tunnels because those evil Israelis want the pfakistinians to develop Vitamin D deficiencies.

The troll has two others fighting each other now. You know them by their fruits.

That'd be Hamas' idea of truce in advertising.

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What's needed here is a good, old-fashioned "disproportionate" response to the next round of rocket attacks. Given the opportunity -- and a 'green light' -- the IDF are capable of delivering just that.

re: #51 WayDownSouthInBama

If you ever want to find a terrorist just ask a CNN “journalist” - they have them all on speed dial.

re: #72 DeathtotheSwiss

Why don't we just let loose the Gorebots on them, burning tires make one heck of a carbon footprint; doesn't that crime trump the others?

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