I'm surprised it's not above his pay grade.

“One of the things I think we have to unify the country around is having an intelligent energy policy. ... That’s what we’re going to be talking about.”

An intelligent energy policy? Like inflate your tires and plan on paying more?

“One of the things I think we have to unify the country around is having an intelligent energy policy. ... That’s what we’re going to be talking about.”

Well, the big 0 hasn't made such a good start at that.
Perhaps he and Pickens can figure out how to harvest all the wind that has been produced in this campaign.

My overall response to all this is NO ONE is immune from Flip-Flopping if it benefits themselves. In some sense, it's depressing. Do we have ANY leaders now a days that can stick to principals?

Now if we could only find an intelligent energy policy. For the matter is there any sign of intelligent life in Congress?

Boone is conservative? Really?

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

My overall response to all this is NO ONE is immune from Flip-Flopping if it benefits themselves. In some sense, it's depressing. Do we have ANY leaders now a days that can stick to principals?

Dead ones.

I know I know, ALL the guys on the boat are lying.

I wonder if he's got money invested in T Boone's (who, by the way, IS NOT AGAINST DOMESTIC OIL DRILLING) wind farms.

Swift boats is a comin'!

re: #6 Nevergiveup

Now if we could only find an intelligent energy policy. For the matter is there any sign of intelligent life in Congress?

If there is, Pelosi will make sure we don't hear about it by shutting down the TV cameras.

Is Pickens friends with Soros? Does he have any investment in that Brazillian oil find?

[Link: www.gulfnews.com...]

(Hat Tip to some enterprising Lizard this morning. BenHur?)

Having an intelligent energy policy...........

.......also known as how the wind blows.

This ought to be good.

re: #2 lawhawk

I'm surprised it's not above his pay grade.

I read an AP article about the Sat. night event. Never mentioned the "pay grade" remark, and, they called Obama's annswers "complex" and McCains answers "simple."

re: #7 Banner

Boone is conservative? Really?

In MSM speak opportunist=conservative.

...

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

My overall response to all this is NO ONE is immune from Flip-Flopping if it benefits themselves. In some sense, it's depressing. Do we have ANY leaders now a days that can stick to principals?

Before you can stick to principles, you have to have principles to stick to. We do have a few who fit that bill. but you can probably count them on your fingers.

BTW, have I mentioned recently that John Kerry is an idiot?

Just Words.
Just Wind.

An let's not forget that both of them are heavily invested in natural gas...

Ate my post.

Repost.

I know I know, ALL the guys on the boat are lying.

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

they called Obama's annswers "complex"

"Uhhhh" = complexity

Didn't you know that?

re: #18 karmic_inquisitor

BTW, have I mentioned recently that John Kerry is an idiot?

You mean Hanoi John Cary? There is nothing new under the sun you know.

OK. Scroll up next time.

But what's with the dots.

Democrat Barack Obama met Sunday with Texas oil baron and longtime conservative activist T. Boone Pickens to discuss strategies for developing alternative energy.

How nuanced! This isn't to discuss energy independence by drilling our own oil, it's a fancy way of making it look like obama's doing something when he's really just doing more of the same- talking big but doing nothing to help real Americans at the pumps right now.

re: #22 Occasional Reader

"Uhhhh" = complexity

Didn't you know that?

Uhhhh.... maybe... uhhhhh... I suspose.... uhhhh... hmmmm.... sure, why not.

Now if Obama could actually annouce some specifics on what is energy plan, or any of the specifics for any of his plans, then someone might be interested.

“One of the things I think we have to unify the country around is having an intelligent energy policy. ... That’s what we’re going to be talking about.”

Well I guess that leaves you and the Democrats out.

re: #22 Occasional Reader

"Uhhhh" = complexity

Didn't you know that?

A sign of deep thought...or something.

"Russian president vows to withdraw troops today"? To bad he is not in charge.

Well if Obama's gonna want an intelligent energy policy, he'd best step out of the room when it's being discussed and laid out!

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

I read an AP article about the Sat. night event. Never mentioned the "pay grade" remark, and, they called Obama's annswers "complex" and McCains answers "simple."

I saw that one in the yesterday's Arizona Repugnant. Funny how they spun it.
I would have called McCain's answer's "concise" and Obama's "evasive".

11/15/07

If you want to invest in energy stocks, you should certainly see what billionaire oilman Boone Pickens is doing. He bought a lot of energy stocks again. These are his buys and sells during the third quarter.

T Boone Pickens buys Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp., Foster Wheeler Ltd., sells Valero Energy Corp., Tesoro Corp. during the 3-months ended 09/30/2007, according to the most recent filings of his investment company, BP Capital. T Boone Pickens owns 21 stocks with a total value of $1.3 billion. These are the details of the buys and sells.

SNIP

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now if Obama could actually annouce some specifics on what is energy plan, or any of the specifics for any of his plans, then someone might be interested.

If he was specific, he'd have to change the plan the next day.

re: #12 MandyManners

From that link:
"As of June 30, the stake in Petrobras, as the Rio de Janeiro-based oil producer is known, made up 22 per cent of the $3.68 billion of stocks and American depositary receipts held by Soros Fund Management, according to a filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission. Petrobras has since slumped 28 per cent."
(Emphasis by me.)

Any savvy Lizards out there: might this have something to do with Soros investing in Petrobras?

Well the fact is that the Swiftboat Vets had many dems in their number. It was about John Kerry and his fitness for the presidency. They were honest and accurate. I think the MSM finds it difficult to fathom such a thing.

0-bama can only fathom the $$$$.

re: #34 Kosh's Shadow

If he was specific, he'd have to change the plan the next day.

Well, other Dem's are beginning to notice and arent happy about it:

Allies Ask Obama to Make ‘Hope’ Specific

party leaders — while enthusiastic about Mr. Obama and his state-by-state campaign operations — say he must do more to convince the many undecided Democrats and independents that he would address their financial anxieties rather than run, by and large, as an agent of change — given that change, they note, is not an issue.

“I particularly hope he strengthens his economic message — even Senator Obama can speak more clearly and specifically about the kitchen-table, bread-and-butter issues like high energy costs,” said Gov. Ted Strickland of Ohio. “It’s fine to tell people about hope and change, but you have to have plenty of concrete, pragmatic ideas that bring hope and change to life.”

Or, in the blunter words of Gov. Phil Bredesen, Democrat of Tennessee: “Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives.”

What Obama's energy future looks like for us.

Obama: If my core values and principles become inconvenient, no problem: I have others.

Uh oh. Rush just said Obama couldn't shine Clarence Thomas's shoes.

Head exploding at Media Matters HQ.

re: #38 jcm

That smokey fire is very eco-unfriendly.those cavemen should be ashamed of their carbon footy prints!

re: #40 JammieWearingFool

Meanwhile, NYT comparing Obama to...Frederick Douglass?

re: #35 yma o hyd
Nope, it's all greek to me! LOL!
But if it comes down to a showdown betwee T. Boone and Soros, put ALL your money down on T. Boone!

A smarter (and nastier) investor than anyone I know of.

re: #35 yma o hyd

From that link:
"As of June 30, the stake in Petrobras, as the Rio de Janeiro-based oil producer is known, made up 22 per cent of the $3.68 billion of stocks and American depositary receipts held by Soros Fund Management, according to a filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission. Petrobras has since slumped 28 per cent."
(Emphasis by me.)

Any savvy Lizards out there: might this have something to do with Soros investing in Petrobras?

Answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.

re: #40 JammieWearingFool

Uh oh. Rush just said Obama couldn't shine Clarence Thomas's shoes.

Head exploding at Media Matters HQ.

He's calling it the Saddlesore forum.

re: #35 yma o hyd

A normal correction of a speculative bubble...

re: #41 Boondock St. Bender

That smokey fire is very eco-unfriendly.those cavemen should be ashamed of their carbon footy prints!

Ahhh! Sushi and steak tartar for dinner!

One of the things I think we have to unify the country around is having an intelligent energy policy....

Hasn't anyone told 'the One' the country is already unified around the most critical and important aspect of an intelligent policy and that is 'We Drill Here and We Start Drilling Now!'

What the hell? Obama's all but admitting he doesn't have a energy policy...not that it's news or should come as a surprise to most...

I think what this shows is obama's people realize that energy is going to be the key issue for many Americans. McCain needs to start hammering this issue home now while he still has time to distinguish between his plan and the lack of a plan from obama. If McCain waits too long, obama will come up with something, and while it may be a crap plan, he will be able to say he has one. Attack obama on the energy front now!

re: #40 JammieWearingFool

Uh oh. Rush just said Obama couldn't shine Clarence Thomas's shoes.

Head exploding at Media Matters HQ.

It'll interrupt their search for the Racist Conservative Obama Haters' Crypto-Phallic Reference of the Day.

(actually, your "exploding head" remark may qualify)

re: #43 realwest

Nope, it's all greek to me! LOL!
But if it comes down to a showdown betwee T. Boone and Soros, put ALL your money down on T. Boone!

A smarter (and nastier) investor than anyone I know of.

Wish I had some money to invest ...

re: #42 laZardo

Meanwhile, NYT comparing Obama to...Frederick Douglass?

And again insisting that he was a law school professor. A part time lecturer is specifically not a professor - even an assistant professor.

re: #40 JammieWearingFool

RACISM!
/

Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 01:30:14 PM

T. Boone Pickens, out to sell his plan that would ween the U.S. and A. off foreign oil, gave an interview to The Washington Post this morning, in which the Dallas billionaire addresses his decision not to swift boat a presidential candidate this year. This, eight months after he backed out of his bet with John Kerry; oh, well. Said Pickens of his decision to sink Kerry in '04:

The way Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens recalls it, he was sitting in a Dallas conference room earlier this year with other wealthy Republicans, discussing plans for financing an ad campaign to support Sen. John McCain's bid for president, when it hit him -- ending the nation's dependence on foreign oil was more important than who reaches the White House in 2008. ... Four years ago, Pickens said he got involved in defeating Kerry because "You're looking at what George Soros is doing on the other side, and thinking, 'What can we do to offset this?'"

SNIP

John Kerry - KISS .... OF.... DEATH.

live it love it learn it. The left have worn out the "swiftboating" term. We The People understand John Kerry is a liar and a creep who sold his country and his men down the "river".

re: #40 JammieWearingFool

Uh oh. Rush just said Obama couldn't shine Clarence Thomas's shoes.

Head exploding at Media Matters HQ.

Rush is racist cries in 3... 2... 1...

re: #42 laZardo

Meanwhile, NYT comparing Obama to...Frederick Douglass?

They are running out of mortals to compare him to.

Good thing the GOP made the pre-emptive comparison to Jesus.

re: #35 yma o hyd

From that link:
"As of June 30, the stake in Petrobras, as the Rio de Janeiro-based oil producer is known, made up 22 per cent of the $3.68 billion of stocks and American depositary receipts held by Soros Fund Management, according to a filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission. Petrobras has since slumped 28 per cent."
(Emphasis by me.)

Any savvy Lizards out there: might this have something to do with Soros investing in Petrobras?

I have no idea. This shit really is above my pay-grade.

re: #44 Ben Hur

Answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.

Ah - well, thats ok!

Certainly better than having to look over one's shoulder for any Sorosians out to whack one for speaking out of turn ...

The more I learn about T. Boone's plans the more I realize he is only running a big con that will end up doing nothing to solve our energy dependence and just line his pockets with more cash. The partners and investors he is getting makes it even more evident.

This and next week will be billed as The Obama's big week... I'm epxceting the Veep announcements from both this week...

And of course, next week... The fawning... The self pleasuring... The DNC!

Watch polls the week after the DNC showing The one with a 15 point lead...

re: #54 MandyManners

When you delve into T. Boones plan it's more of all all of the above plan. It the ads don't capture that aspect.

re: #47 jcm

AARRGGHH!Harvesting mother natures poor creatures to supply their greedy short sighted sustenance!

re: #51 yma o hyd

Wish I had some money to invest ...

Oh we get to invest in oil here. To the tune of $5 a gallon for heating oil. Frankly, I am more than a little bit worried about how the heck we are even going to heat the house. Cost a cool grand a month last year after I winterized the dickens out of the place - with the heat never venturing about 62. And that was at more than $1 less a gallon.

Almost enough to make you wish for foreclosure.

re: #52 galloping granny

Interesting comment by "George" though:

Douglas[sic] attended Senaca Falls and spoke passionately of the need for justice for women in America. Of course it still has not happened. As Obama’s supporters complain that “the Clintons should just get over it”, they ignore the fact that more people actually voted for her than him. They ignore the fact than several delegates that have pledged their votes for him actually had constituencies that had voted for Clinton (John Kerry for example). They ignore the fact that his PAC gave more money to these delegates’ campaigns than hers did, so essentially he has bought their vote undemocratically. Where is the outrage?

re: #46 experiencedtraveller

A normal correction of a speculative bubble...

Now thats an elegant expression!
(Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke, I'm sure ...)

re: #40 JammieWearingFool

Uh oh. Rush just said Obama couldn't shine Clarence Thomas's shoes.

Head exploding at Media Matters HQ.

Good for him. Nothing less than the truth.

WaPost 7/21/08.

Four years ago, Pickens said he got involved in defeating Kerry because "You're looking at what George Soros is doing on the other side, and thinking, 'What can we do to offset this?'"

This time, he said he did not feel that pressure. Instead of getting involved in an independent advertising campaign to help McCain, Pickens says he will devote $58 million to the ongoing ad campaign to promote his energy plan. He's doing it, he says, in hopes that both presidential candidates, and members of congress, will put this issue on the front burner.

SNIP

I thought Obama didn't meet with lobbyists? Fast friends around the pork barrel.

re: #57 karmic_inquisitor

Greenheart'd. (:

re: #63 Boondock St. Bender

AARRGGHH!Harvesting mother natures poor creatures to supply their greedy short sighted sustenance!

If Mother Nature didnt intend for us to eat animals, why did she make them so delicious?

re: #62 jcm

When you delve into T. Boones plan it's more of all all of the above plan. It the ads don't capture that aspect.

re: #63 Boondock St. Bender

AARRGGHH!Harvesting mother natures poor creatures to supply their greedy short sighted sustenance!

LOL!

Okay, twigs and berries it is!

He may be talking to Pickens but I doubt he's listening.

Pickens actually advocates drilling EVERYWHERE. He also believes we should use more nuclear power. His position is that in the long term, drilling oil won't make us energy independent. That doesn't make him against sinking wells in ANWR and offshore to obtain as much oil as we can today.

re: #68 MandyManners

WaPost 7/21/08.

Four years ago, Pickens said he got involved in defeating Kerry because "You're looking at what George Soros is doing on the other side, and thinking, 'What can we do to offset this?'"

SNIP

Does he have pelosi's phone number?

re: #54 MandyManners

Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 01:30:14 PM

T. Boone Pickens, out to sell his plan that would ween the U.S. and A. off foreign oil, gave an interview to The Washington Post this morning, in which the Dallas billionaire addresses his decision not to swift boat a presidential candidate this year. This, eight months after he backed out of his bet with John Kerry; oh, well. Said Pickens of his decision to sink Kerry in '04:

SNIP

Ahhh - so perhaps BO will be allowed a little chat, expose his abysmal knowledge, and that'll be it, curtains for BO ...

I'm sure T. Boone Pickens is well aware of BO's puppet master ...

Obama making a sweeping hand jesture:

These are not the facts you are looking for.
Be content. Move on.

(sticking with a classic...)

"This was not the longer track record that I knew."
whomp thumpa thumpa thumpa thumpa thumpa

/now taking bets on how soon it'll happen

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If Mother Nature didnt intend for us to eat animals, why did she make them so delicious?

My closest friend is a veterinarian.

"If humans were meant to be vegetarians, we'd have stomachs like cows."

Sums it up for me.

He's not in it for the money.

MarketWatch from DOWJONES.

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I consider myself a proud member of PETA.

/People Eating Tasty Animals.

//not to be confused with the Philippine Educational Theater Association.

///yeah, we've got some fucked-up acronyms here.

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

Of course not. He meets with vestibulers.

Words have meaning!

LOL

re: #72 jcm

NO!the trees and bushes need the berries to continue their line!the only acceptable form of food is licking lichens off of rocks!

re: #74 Wendya

He may be talking to Pickens but I doubt he's listening.

Pickens actually advocates drilling EVERYWHERE. He also believes we should use more nuclear power. His position is that in the long term, drilling oil won't make us energy independent. That doesn't make him against sinking wells in ANWR and offshore to obtain as much oil as we can today.

Pickens' plan isn't that different from McCain's. Obama's isn't close to Pickens' because Obama has been repeating the lie that "drilling is a hoax".

I don't want to "swiftboat" Obama. I want to put him on a "slowboat" to China.

re: #42 laZardo

Meanwhile, NYT comparing Obama to...Frederick Douglass?

The WSJ compared Obama to Thomas.

Obama's minions aren't going to like it:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

re: #80 MandyManners

He's not in it for the money.

MarketWatch from DOWJONES.

Of course not.

I'm just posting what I find 'cause this shit really is above my pay-grade.

re: #75 Nevergiveup

Does he have pelosi's phone number?

Saint Nancy of Fransisco is too busy doing the Obamessiah's work:

He (Obama) was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."

His arrival was heralded by a dozen invisible pink unicorns farting the ode to joy.

Gotta' hook up the caffeine IV. Too much blood in my caffeine-flow.

Everything on the left is just for show. A gimmick.

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can never quite believe what Nancy Pelosi spews.

re: #61 tfc3rid

This and next week will be billed as The Obama's big week... I'm epxceting the Veep announcements from both this week...

And of course, next week... The fawning... The self pleasuring... The DNC!

Watch polls the week after the DNC showing The one with a 15 point lead...

I really don't think so. With the tremendous amount of positive media the "ONE" is receiving, he should already be 10 to 15 points ahead in the polls. They are in a dead heat right now. It just ain't working and the Media and the Dems know this and are scrambling trying to figure out what to do.

McCain needs to get off his duff and pound Obama constantly about his lack of experience and lack of an energy plan. He needs to do 24/7 coverage.

re: #83 Boondock St. Bender

NO!the trees and bushes need the berries to continue their line!the only acceptable form of food is licking lichens off of rocks!

*poke*
*poke*

You are starting to look tasty!

////

re: #38 jcm

What Obama's energy future looks like for us.

That fire has a huge carbon footprint. Must put it out. Who cares about global freezing.

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Saint Nancy of Fransisco is too busy doing the Obamessiah's work:

He (Obama) was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."

His arrival was heralded by a dozen invisible pink unicorns farting the ode to joy.

*HURL*

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

dozen invisible pink unicorns

How do we know they were pink?

It was probably just Nancy farting.

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

or a 21 "gun"salute from the "up your alley"folks!
(for those that don't know see zombie)

McCain is hardly the change many people have been eagerly waiting for, but Putin is part of the change we must confront. Until Russian tanks rolled into Georgia, it seemed that not even the Democratic Party could lose this election. But it might if McCain can make it turn on the question of who is ornery enough to give Putin a convincing, deterring telephone call at 3 a.m.

Read George Will's piece today on McCain's way to win.

Gonna head to bed. Class tomorrow. Cheers.

re: #2 lawhawk

I'm surprised it's not above his pay grade.

LOL. First read that as:

I'm surprised it's not above his gay pride.

Little bit different meaning.

re: #100 Infidelle

Read George Will's piece today on McCain's way to win.

Please provide link to George Will's piece today on McCain's way to win.

re: #94 JohnnyReb

I really don't think so. With the tremendous amount of positive media the "ONE" is receiving, he should already be 10 to 15 points ahead in the polls. They are in a dead heat right now. It just ain't working and the Media and the Dems know this and are scrambling trying to figure out what to do.

McCain needs to get off his duff and pound Obama constantly about his lack of experience and lack of an energy plan. He needs to do 24/7 coverage.

And that dead heat meant that it is every bit as statistically probable that McCain is ~ 4 points ahead of Obama as vice versa. In case you hadn't heard, McCain has to spend all of his campaign funds before his official nomination at the Republican convention. He bought air time for the DNC convention. HEH!

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

I read an AP article about the Sat. night event. Never mentioned the "pay grade" remark, and, they called Obama's annswers "complex" and McCains answers "simple."

There was a complex word between uh and uh and blah?

I'm above his gay parade?

re: #97 jcm

*HURL*

CHRISTIANIST!

re: #64 galloping granny

Oh we get to invest in oil here. To the tune of $5 a gallon for heating oil. Frankly, I am more than a little bit worried about how the heck we are even going to heat the house. Cost a cool grand a month last year after I winterized the dickens out of the place - with the heat never venturing about 62. And that was at more than $1 less a gallon.

Almost enough to make you wish for foreclosure.

That sounds horrendous!
At least here in the UK us pensioners (well, any household with a person over 60 in it) gets about $400 towards heating bills.
And still old people die here of hypothermia in winter. Getting one's house 'wintered up' (I love that expression!) is far more expensive here than in your part.

Oh - and our prizes for petrol/gas/heating are so high because our dear government takes a huge whack in taxes and customs.
On petrol (thats your gasoline) we pay 73% in taxes per £, at the pump.

re: #79 Ben Hur

My closest friend is a veterinarian.

"If humans were meant to be vegetarians, we'd have stomachs like cows."

Sums it up for me.

Speaking of stomachs... we may all ultimately be saved from the energy mess by the termite's third gut.

Rush discussing this.

re: #58 MandyManners

...above my pay-grade.

I no proof, but I strongly suspect Obama was taught to use the "that's above my pay-grade" comment by his crack team of media handlers. They figured Obama needed to boost his "Commander in Chief" image, so a handful of catchy military terms were taught to The One.

The simple fact is nobody Obama has ever come in contact with would ever use that expression in normal conversation. He sounded so phony-balony when he used it. I bet John "Magic Hat" Kerry is teaching how to salute just like a real soldier, too.

“One of the things I think we have to unify the country around is having an intelligent energy policy."

$0 to Saudi Arabia.

There, what do I win?

So Obama will provide the wind for Pickens' wind farm?

re: #98 Wendya

How do we know they were pink?

It was probably just Nancy farting.

Like everything else to do with the Left, it doesn't matter that they were invisible, everyone feels they should be pink, so they are. Hence the invisible pink unicorns.

And ladies do not fart, they merely have a case of the vapors.

re: #99 Boondock St. Bender

or a 21 "gun"salute from the "up your alley"folks!
(for those that don't know see zombie)

I'll be telling myself for a week that I DID NOT READ THAT!
*retch*

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

I read an AP article about the Sat. night event. Never mentioned the "pay grade" remark, and, they called Obama's annswers "complex" and McCains answers "simple."

I'm betting the vast majority of Americans prefer the simple answer to the complex, nuanced, non answer.

re: #102 Ford_Prefect

Little bit different meaning.

And yet they both work

The only "alternative energy" we need is nuclear. Wind and Solar may sound nice, but its very expensive and not very efficient (and I believe it actually takes more energy to produce a solar panel than it will ever produce).

What we really need, and I don't hear much talk about, is alternative energy storage mechanisms (so things like electric cars can become practical).

re: #104 galloping granny "He bought air time for the DNC convention. HEH!"
ROTFLMAO! I hope you're serious about that!

re: #105 debutaunt

There was a complex word between uh and uh and blah?

That was him speaking Bahasa, you ignorant American flyover hick!

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And ladies do not fart, they merely have a case of the vapors.

What about broads?

re: #77 Perplexed

Obama making a sweeping hand jesture:

These are not the facts you are looking for.
Be content. Move on.

Obama Wan Kenobi

re: #51 yma o hyd

Off topic - yesterday you were curious about the details of Turkey's gas deal going south. Under recent links, Middle East categories, for 2 days, 'Roll of Ian dice yields 'hep-yek' - you should find the whole piece very interesting.

re: #119 realwest

"He bought air time for the DNC convention. HEH!"
ROTFLMAO! I hope you're serious about that!

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

re: #109 Occasional Reader

grass­o­line?

re: #64 galloping granny

Oh we get to invest in oil here. To the tune of $5 a gallon for heating oil. Frankly, I am more than a little bit worried about how the heck we are even going to heat the house. Cost a cool grand a month last year after I winterized the dickens out of the place - with the heat never venturing about 62. And that was at more than $1 less a gallon.

Almost enough to make you wish for foreclosure.

I pre-bought my oil this spring. 750 gallons cost me close to $3,000. No vacation this summer for us. But we will have heat this winter and I know some folks that wont. I honestly don't know how many of the elderly people in our neighborhood are going to be able to heat their houses this winter.

re: #111 Kenneth

I no proof, but I strongly suspect Obama was taught to use the "that's above my pay-grade" comment by his crack team of media handlers. They figured Obama needed to boost his "Commander in Chief" image, so a handful of catchy military terms were taught to The One.

We should watch to see if in an upcoming speech, Obama refers to "all those Whiskey Tangos clinging to their guns and religion".

re: #108 yma o hyd

That sounds horrendous!
At least here in the UK us pensioners (well, any household with a person over 60 in it) gets about $400 towards heating bills.
And still old people die here of hypothermia in winter. Getting one's house 'wintered up' (I love that expression!) is far more expensive here than in your part.

Oh - and our prizes for petrol/gas/heating are so high because our dear government takes a huge whack in taxes and customs.
On petrol (thats your gasoline) we pay 73% in taxes per £, at the pump.

$400 would not fill our oil tank even one time. There is a program in the US to help the poor and the elderly - if you are really poor. At the choosing between food and fuel level. Last I knew it amounted to about $400 a year here too. Five years ago that would heat many places a good chunk of the winter. Not now.

re: #107 FrogMarch

CHRISTIANIST!

(Not you jcm - Nancy and Obama)

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And ladies do not fart, they merely have a case of the vapors.

Obviously you have never met my wife. :

re: #103 Ben Hur

Please provide link to George Will's piece today on McCain's way to win.

Jewish World Review is a good place to get it, and lots of others. See down below, center section, under "INSIGHT"

re: #111 Kenneth

I no proof, but I strongly suspect Obama was taught to use the "that's above my pay-grade" comment by his crack team of media handlers. They figured Obama needed to boost his "Commander in Chief" image, so a handful of catchy military terms were taught to The One.

The simple fact is nobody Obama has ever come in contact with would ever use that expression in normal conversation. He sounded so phony-balony when he used it. I bet John "Magic Hat" Kerry is teaching how to salute just like a real soldier, too.

Except he's now running for POTUS, so there is nothing above his pay grade anymore. Though in Barry's case, I'm guessing he means to hand it off to the UN and the ICC.

re: #118 Lee Coller

The most efficient way to produce energy from sunlight is the Solar Stirling Engine.

re: #119 realwest

"He bought air time for the DNC convention. HEH!"
ROTFLMAO! I hope you're serious about that!

Quite.

re: #94 JohnnyReb

I really don't think so. With the tremendous amount of positive media the "ONE" is receiving, he should already be 10 to 15 points ahead in the polls. They are in a dead heat right now. It just ain't working and the Media and the Dems know this and are scrambling trying to figure out what to do.

McCain needs to get off his duff and pound Obama constantly about his lack of experience and lack of an energy plan. He needs to do 24/7 coverage.

And like a dumbass, obama is giving Hillery speech time and a floor vote, and has asked for all of FL & MI's delegates to have full votes. Hey- for all we know, he might not win the nomination. So- the dems may have indeed figured out what to do. I'm hoping for a Denver sucker punch.

Maybe we should start spooking Team Obama by spreading the scurrilous rumor that Clarence Thomas will be John McCain's VP.

Or will be speaking at the GOP convention.

I know, never will happen. But these idiots believe anything.

re: #77 Perplexed

Obama making a sweeping hand jesture:

These are not the facts you are looking for.
Be content. Move on.

Jesture - that's a great new word!

A fart thread. Inevitable.

The Democratic National Convention brought to you by … John McCain?

Viewers watching the Democratic convention on network television may find themselves surprised to see ads from the DNCC’s newest major sponsor … John McCain. Thanks to a record donation haul in July and a low burn rate, the McCain campaign has to burn off millions of dollars in the next three weeks. What better way to reach potential voters than to provide a series of 60-second counterpoints to the rhetoric in Denver?

re: #125 Ben Hur

grass­o­line?

Sounds like what would fuel Cheech and Chong's car.

re: #131 pre-Boomer Marine brat

THanks.

re: #139 maddogg

A fart thread. Inevitable.

Well, my work here is done

re: #137 JammieWearingFool

"Spooking"? That's racist! LOL.

re: #129 FrogMarch

(Not you jcm - Nancy and Obama)

Damn, I was just preparing a Holy Hand Grenade to lob in your general direction!

;-)

re: #141 Kosh's Shadow

Sounds like what would fuel Cheech and Chong's car.

LOL!

re: #118 Lee Coller

The only "alternative energy" we need is nuclear. Wind and Solar may sound nice, but its very expensive and not very efficient (and I believe it actually takes more energy to produce a solar panel than it will ever produce).

What we really need, and I don't hear much talk about, is alternative energy storage mechanisms (so things like electric cars can become practical).

I'm kind of excited about "Oil-pooping Bacteria"

re: #118 Lee Coller

The only "alternative energy" we need is nuclear. Wind and Solar may sound nice, but its very expensive and not very efficient (and I believe it actually takes more energy to produce a solar panel than it will ever produce).

What we really need, and I don't hear much talk about, is alternative energy storage mechanisms (so things like electric cars can become practical).

Well iirc, you're incorrect about the latest solar panels, but you are SPOT ON about energy storage mechanisms.
DRILL NOW! NUCLEAR POWER NOW!
Do further work on other alternative engery sources and use NOW!
I think that pretty much sums up McCain's energy policy and it's a damn good one.

re: #149 realwest

Well iirc, you're incorrect about the latest solar panels, but you are SPOT ON about energy storage mechanisms.
DRILL NOW! NUCLEAR POWER NOW!
Do further work on other alternative engery sources and use NOW!
I think that pretty much sums up McCain's energy policy and it's a damn good one.

Actually, I heard MIT just came out with a major breakthru in regards to the storage of solar energy in a battery form.

re: #127 Occasional Reader

LOL!

re: #146 jcm

Damn, I was just preparing a Holy Hand Grenade to lob in your general direction!

;-)

Brother Maynard!

...to discuss strategies for developing alternative energy.

There seems to be a popular attitude that we are currently doing nothing to develop alternative energy sources and if we just throw enough money in the right places all of our energy problems will be solved. This is a very naive attitude.
People are investing hundreds of millions of dollars in alternative energy development. But just like offshore drilling, it's going to take many, many years before alternative energy sources are going to be making a significant impact to shift us away from oil imports.
The best thing the government could do to advance development of alternative energy sources is to get out of the way. Mainly by getting rid of corporate taxes and capital gains taxes.

And just like the cure for cancer and the flying car, there is no guarantee that alternative energy solutions are just around the corner.

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Democratic National Convention brought to you by … John McCain?

MAVERICK!

re: #126 JohnnyReb

I pre-bought my oil this spring. 750 gallons cost me close to $3,000. No vacation this summer for us. But we will have heat this winter and I know some folks that wont. I honestly don't know how many of the elderly people in our neighborhood are going to be able to heat their houses this winter.

With that kind of annual expense, it seems that converting to electric would pay off pretty quickly?

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

Have you seen the guts on some people?

I thought my camera was turned off.

I think Obama is ignoring the whole 'swift boating' thing for a couple reasons. I agree with a above comment that Obama is starting to realize that energy is a key issue in the election. Also he needs to downplay it because he is also venerable to it. It is like the debate this weekend. He was about to say that SCOTUS judge Clarence Thomas was inexperienced but he caught himself at the last second because he realized if he said Thomas was inexperienced then he would open up himself to that very charge. The one interesting thing about this is that Lurch was been getting some press the last week that he may be the Obama Veep. Either Obama told Kerry to drop bitching about the swift boating or else Kerry is not being considered for Veep.

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Democratic National Convention brought to you by … John McCain?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

In other words, don't like Obama or Hillary, vote for McCain. :-)

OT: A lament.

Where have you gone, Mark Steyn-io
Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you
Woo woo woo

Had we gotten Kerry for President in 2004, there would be no energy crisis. From what I can tell, he would be the chief unicorn in charge of electrical energy.

There was a Senator from Mass
Who had two balls made of brass
In inclement weather
He'd bang them together
And lightening would shoot out his ass................

re: #120 Occasional Reader

That was him speaking Bahasa, you ignorant American flyover hick!

I love it when you try to insult me!

re: #158 Honorary Yooper

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

In other words, don't like Obama or Hillary, vote for McCain. :-)

It might almost be worth watching just to see the juxtaposition.

re: #146 jcm

Damn, I was just preparing a Holy Hand Grenade to lob in your general direction!

;-)

Whew. dodged a holy hand grenade.

re: #162 Ford_Prefect
wonder if they coverage will include the riots outside?

They're going to talk about an intelligent energy policy?

Air.

Action is required

& we've been sitting on our asses since the mid 1970s.

World peace thru among other things, solar energy & military strength

Say it Barry

re: #126 JohnnyReb

I pre-bought my oil this spring. 750 gallons cost me close to $3,000. No vacation this summer for us. But we will have heat this winter and I know some folks that wont. I honestly don't know how many of the elderly people in our neighborhood are going to be able to heat their houses this winter.

You got a really, really good deal. None of the oil companies around here even offered a pre-buy. They did offer a guaranteed price contract, minimum of $3000. Some friend who have a rental property ended up betting on the contract rather than the market. They are paying $4.69 a gallon. If they had wanted a contract that would allow them to reduce the price if the cost of oil went down, they would have had to agree to 50 cents more per gallon.

re: #145 Colonel Panik

"Spooking"? That's racist! LOL.

I was trying to be subtle with the clever use of codewords, but you Lizards are on to me.

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Except he's now running for POTUS, so there is nothing above his pay grade anymore. Though in Barry's case, I'm guessing he means to hand it off to the UN and the ICC.

Yes, and like everything else The Unicorn Whisperer says, it has no intrinsic meaning to him; just so many words and symbols to manipulate in order to get what he wants.

MIT Scientists Unlock 'Nirvana' of Solar Power Storage

The system set-up would power the home directly from solar energy harnessed through photovoltaics. Surplus energy is then collected, not to be stored, but to be used to power the splitting of water into hydrogen and oxygen. The process which is inspired by photosynthesis usually required expensive catalysts and a high pH value. The new catalyst however is easy to setup, would work on normal room temperature, and requires only neutral pH.

Through a process called electrolysis, one catalyst would be responsible for producing oxygen gas from water, while another would produce hydrogen. The hydrogen and oxygen could be recombined in a fuel cell to power the home at night where solar energy isn't readily available.

re: #155 eschew_obfuscation

With that kind of annual expense, it seems that converting to electric would pay off pretty quickly?

Either that, or switch to natural gas (which I absolutely love) or something else, like propane (what the cost for that now?). Hell, maybe coal might work better (yeah, yeah, it'll piss off Al Gore. Wait, that's a good thing).

re: #49 Sharmuta

I think what this shows is obama's people realize that energy is going to be the key issue for many Americans. McCain needs to start hammering this issue home now while he still has time to distinguish between his plan and the lack of a plan from obama. If McCain waits too long, obama will come up with something, and while it may be a crap plan, he will be able to say he has one. Attack obama on the energy front now!

That's exactly right. McCain must get on top of this issue. The dems only message: They hate big oil. That's not a plan.

A quick sample of the type of ad McCain should play during the DNC

re: #160 yesandno

Had we gotten Kerry for President in 2004, there would be no energy crisis. From what I can tell, he would be the chief unicorn in charge of electrical energy.

There was a Senator from Mass
Who had two balls made of brass
In inclement weather
He'd bang them together
And lightening would shoot out his ass................

Thanks!

/Soup all over my monitor.

re: #153 MadJadBad

1) We need to develop alternative energy sources. It needs to been done by private enterprise responding to the markets.

2) We have more than enough oil, natural gas, coal and nuclear resources to power us while we develop alternatives. We just have do drill, dig and build.

3) Burning food as fuel is STUPID STUPID STUPID.

We don't have an energy crisis, we've got more than enough under our feet!

WE HAVE A LEADERSHIP CRISIS!

re: #148 eschew_obfuscation

I'm kind of excited about "Oil-pooping Bacteria"

If they can come up with that, then a giant talking taco that craps ice cream can't be far behind.

Let’s review events during Truman’s (D) era:
- creation of Islamic state of Pakistan in 1947 (now nuclear)
- expansion of Soviet Union (now nuclear)
- start of the Cold War that lasted 50 years (or 70?)
- handover to USSR and creation of North Korea (now nuclear)

This is what happened after we put another inexperienced Senator in the White House.

I've changed my mind about Obama. He isn't just as bad as Jimmy Carter, he's worse. More clueless, ignorant, stupid, inept. He has pushed the boundaries of incompetence to a new frontier.

re: #123 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Thanks!
Shall make my way up the right now!

re: #165 Ojoe

They're going to talk about an intelligent energy policy?

Air.

Action is required

& we've been sitting on our asses since the mid 1970s.

World peace thru among other things, solar energy & military strength

Say it Barry

Back in the 1970's there was a lot of work on alternative energy sources. Then the oil sheiks opened the spigots again, the price of oil went down, and all those investors lost lots of money.
That makes it hard to get the investment this time, because investors are afraid the $audis will do the same thing.
Also, I think the US investors are less willing to invest in speculative projects, and a lot of money comes from the oil countries, who don't want to invest much against their own interests, and China, which is willing to let the US get hurt.

re: #175 Occasional Reader

If they can come up with that, then a giant talking taco that craps ice cream can't be far behind.

Just becareful you aren't on a big intergalatic reality TV show.

re: #33 MandyManners

That's old data now.

Hey, what can anybody tell me about Valero Energy, VLO? Selling at very cheap multiples, growth shows as negative, what's the deal there? One of the stocks Pickens unloaded (in 2007), good timing for him, I guess.

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If they can scale this up to an economical process, we are home free for energy.

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Yeah, I've been trying to keep up on alternative sources of energy, but geez, folks keep coming up with more and more ideas!
But if the damn French can get 75+% of their electricity from Nuclear Power, why the hell can't we (and yes, I do know the answer; it's a rhetorical question!)?
Add what we can produce from Nuclear to what looks promising on the Solar and Wind power front, and it just may be that what we have in the way of oil here (including offshore and ANWAR) would make us energy independent!

re: #174 jcm

3) Burning food as fuel is STUPID STUPID STUPID.

Agreed. I recall reading somewhere that the amount of corn used to fill a 10 gallon tank with Ethanol is the same amount that can be used to feed a man for a year. Show me how that makes any sense.

re: #179 Kosh's Shadow

We have needed real national leadership for decades.

re: #65 laZardo

I am outraged! It is all George Bush's fault. Not only that Rove made up the plans.

Is that sufficient outrage?

/sarc

re: #180 Honorary Yooper

Just becareful you aren't on a big intergalatic reality TV show.

That's not too bad unless they want to cancel the show. But now, with potential wars looming, our ratings must be higher than usual. Plus the comic relief of one particular candidate for president.

re: #177 maddogg

Jimmy at least had some executive experience and actually served in the military. Obama? Not so much...

re: #181 itellu3times

That's old data now.

Hey, what can anybody tell me about Valero Energy, VLO? Selling at very cheap multiples, growth shows as negative, what's the deal there? One of the stocks Pickens unloaded (in 2007), good timing for him, I guess.

Valero is an oil refiner that also operates retail gasoline stations throughout the US. They have such major brand names as Diamond Shamrock, Shamrock, Ultramar, and under their own name, Valero. They have the contract for the fueling stations along the Ohio Turnpike, as one example.

BTW -

Obama is in trouble in swing states.

Here is the RCP swingstate table :

Battleground States Obama McCain Spread
Colorado 45.3 45.8 McCain +0.5
Virginia 45.7 46.3 McCain +0.6
Missouri 45.0 47.3 McCain +2.3
Michigan 46.0 42.8 Obama +3.2
Ohio 45.3 46.8 McCain +1.5
Florida 45.4 47.2 McCain +1.8

Michigan is the only state that McCain is behind in.

Speaking of oil: It's still plummeting in price today. Down to $112/bbl.

Which is still damn expensive, of course, but a lot nicer than $147.

I've been saying "under $100/bbl by year's end". May have to revise this to "by Columbus Day"... maybe even Labor Day?!

re: #190 buzzsawmonkey

So tell me; is "Peak Oil" basically another gloom and doom scenario shilling for "alternate energy sources?" That's what it appears to be.

It's like the Laffer curve, a numerical concept that one should keep in mind. Whatever else one might have in mind, is another question.

re: #192 buzzsawmonkey

True. Soylent Green doesn't even burn that well.

But its great on the grill.

Of course swift boating is not a big deal to them. Because they are doing exactly what they accused the republicans of doing last time, to McCain as we speak. The Kos kids and the excitable one are claiming that mccain made up the cross in the dirt story, from his captivity. because he didn't tell the story 2 months after he was released.

Yeah, McCain fails to mention how a guard helped him when he just got out. I can't think of any reason to hold that back. Its not like as if they would shoot the guard if they found out, right? /sarcasm off.

re: #159 Occasional Reader i've really missed him, is there any thought when he'll be back from his hiatus?

Anyone know if it's still less expensive to get foreign oil than to drill our own? For years, that was an argument I'd hear when suggesting we open up our own reserves.

re: #195 Occasional Reader

Speaking of oil: It's still plummeting in price today. Down to $112/bbl.

Which is still damn expensive, of course, but a lot nicer than $147.

I've been saying "under $100/bbl by year's end". May have to revise this to "by Columbus Day"... maybe even Labor Day?!

Some geek from Merrill Lynch is saying $80 by Xmas, or something like that. Hard to believe. But $147 is even harder to believe, so there it is!

Well it's been grand folks, but I gotta go mush some lunch now!
I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

going upthread

OT;
Editorial: Pelosi and Pickens, investment partners

re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But its great on the grill.

Does Soylent Green go well with fava beans and a nice chianti?

re: #155 eschew_obfuscation

With that kind of annual expense, it seems that converting to electric would pay off pretty quickly?

One would think so, but with electric rates here it comes out to be a wash. The typical person who uses electric heat adds about $400-500 a month to their bill for 6 months and then another $60-80 a month for the rest of the year for hot water. Plus the upfront costs to convert.

re: #190 buzzsawmonkey

So tell me; is "Peak Oil" basically another gloom and doom scenario shilling for "alternate energy sources?" That's what it appears to be.

Peak Oil -- Peak oil is the point in time when the maximum rate of global petroleum extraction is reached, after which the rate of production enters terminal decline.

M. King Hubbert created and first used this theory in 1956 to accurately predict that United States oil production would peak between 1965 and 1970.

The problem is that the oil supply was subject to political pressure not accounted for in Hubbert's calculations. The San Diego in '69 sparked the sentiment against off shore drilling, then the Arab oil embargo, followed by the windfall profit tax on oil companies.

Truth is there are now more know world wide reserves than in '56. With new discoveries all the time.

re: #194 karmic_inquisitor

BTW -

Obama is in trouble in swing states.

Here is the RCP swingstate table :

Battleground States Obama McCain Spread
Colorado 45.3 45.8 McCain +0.5
Virginia 45.7 46.3 McCain +0.6
Missouri 45.0 47.3 McCain +2.3
Michigan 46.0 42.8 Obama +3.2
Ohio 45.3 46.8 McCain +1.5
Florida 45.4 47.2 McCain +1.8

Michigan is the only state that McCain is behind in.

Big muslim population in Detroit.

re: #205 Kosh's Shadow

Does Soylent Green go well with fava beans and a nice chianti?

I've always found it more of a baked beans with potato salad and a cold beer type dish.

re: #176 faraway

Let’s review events during Truman’s (D) era:
- creation of Islamic state of Pakistan in 1947 (now nuclear)
- expansion of Soviet Union (now nuclear)
- start of the Cold War that lasted 50 years (or 70?)
- handover to USSR and creation of North Korea (now nuclear)

This is what happened after we put another inexperienced Senator in the White House.

Historic nonsense.

Not one of those events can be blamed on Harry Truman. For the record, the single greatest step taken by the US in fighting the Cold war, the Marshal Plan, was started by Truman against the advice of his senior, and very experienced, advisers. Nobody handed North Korea over to Russia, the Russians invaded during the closing weeks of the Second World War. The US was hardley in a position to stop them. Truman did push the UN to go to war in Korea to stop the Communist expansion. I don't think any president was able to repeast that since. Pakistan breaking away from India was entiterly a dynamic of Indian religious politics.

re: #200 eschew_obfuscation

Anyone know if it's still less expensive to get foreign oil than to drill our own? For years, that was an argument I'd hear when suggesting we open up our own reserves.

The answer of course is, it depends. Saudi oil was being produced for a long time at $5/barrel. Their old fields are starting to run down, their new fields are more expensive, but (guessing) probably still under $20/barrel. Our old fields were always higher, say $10/barrel. Of course we have endless shale and coal that can be converted, at $50-$80/barrel. Question is, what does it cost to produce in new offshore fields, probably $20-$50. Or to restart old fields that seemed exhausted when selling prices were $40 barrel, but can still produce more at $50/barrel and higher.

But that's just "internal" pricing. What is the *real* price of buying a trillion dollars worth of oil from the Saudis, even at what looks like bargain prices? Same question we always have to ask with outsourcing manufacturing, jobs. Answer is, it's a lot more complicated than maybe we used to think.

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Duh. Electrolysis requires energy in the form of electricity to split the water. You are still limited by the efficiency of your solar panel. You must then capture and store the compressed hydrogen. While a pressurized container of hydrogen is not the Hindenburg, it can make for a rather nasty fire if the container fails and a spark happens, or the collection apparatus fails and the area around the hydrogen production area. Hardly a new idea. They have been kicking hydrogen from solar panels and fuel cells for a long time. Personally, I am going the lead-acid battery route.

re: #208 galloping granny

Michigan doesn't really feel much like a swing state anymore...

re: #200 eschew_obfuscation

Anyone know if it's still less expensive to get foreign oil than to drill our own? For years, that was an argument I'd hear when suggesting we open up our own reserves.

That depends on the particular domestic oil deposit. There is a sliding sclae of expense depending on the geological conditions of the particular deposi. Oil sands, shale, off-shore, deep well, & arctic deposits all have different cost structures and require different capital investments to commercialize. As the world price of oil rises, these deposits become more economical.

re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But its great on the grill.

It gives me gas....
/damn, promised myself I wouldn't.....

re: #212 Shr_Nfr

Duh. Electrolysis requires energy in the form of electricity to split the water. You are still limited by the efficiency of your solar panel. You must then capture and store the compressed hydrogen. While a pressurized container of hydrogen is not the Hindenburg, it can make for a rather nasty fire if the container fails and a spark happens, or the collection apparatus fails and the area around the hydrogen production area. Hardly a new idea. They have been kicking hydrogen from solar panels and fuel cells for a long time. Personally, I am going the lead-acid battery route.

According to other articles, they've overcome some of the earlier problems with such systems using newer generation solar panels and a more refined electrolysis process.

While I supported Pickens financing the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, he has always looked out for his own financial interests, no matter what. He has invested heavily in wind, solar and water, and will stoop as low as he needs to enhance his investments, including patronizing Pelosi, Reid and Barrack Hussein Obama!

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

MIT Scientists Unlock 'Nirvana' of Solar Power Storage

They didn't describe how the oxygen and hydrogen are going to be stored, or how much of it. It would be tragic if someone's home (or neighborhood (or southern California)) "went Hindenburg" on them.

re: #193 Honorary Yooper

Also VLO and TSO are into cracking sour sludge and not light sweet. It the spread in costs between light sweet and sour sludge is high VLO can make a good buck. They are quality petro-chemists. Right now, that is not the case and the margins on gasoline suck.

re: #217 tshup

So why go with the crazy left? I'm sure he could get McCain to say this is an opportunity to solve the problem in a free market way by using, oh, T Boone Pickens's company. Except that McCain decided against senatorial misconduct and didn't invest in his company...

re: #182 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody with any sense knows that "Peak Oik" is bullshit, at least right now. Drill everywhere, increase refinery capacity, and crank out more refined oil products. If we've reached "Peak Demand" the price has to fall. As it is, things will get better.

re: #222 Iron Fist

"Peak Oik"! Oik, oik....

Should be oil. PIMF

re: #210 Kenneth

Historic nonsense.

Not one of those events can be blamed on Harry Truman. For the record, the single greatest step taken by the US in fighting the Cold war, the Marshal Plan, was started by Truman against the advice of his senior, and very experienced, advisers. Nobody handed North Korea over to Russia, the Russians invaded during the closing weeks of the Second World War. The US was hardley in a position to stop them. Truman did push the UN to go to war in Korea to stop the Communist expansion. I don't think any president was able to repeast that since. Pakistan breaking away from India was entiterly a dynamic of Indian religious politics.

Not exactly. It was part of the breakup of the Indian Empire by the Brits, very similar to the partition of Israel and Jordan - originally set aside by the Brits as the "non Jewish" part of the Mandate.

When Britain granted independence to their empire on the Indian Subcontinent, it was divided into three peices. Pakistan, East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and what is now India.

How in the world did Obama get to be the candidate? He makes John Kerry look Presidential.

re: #227 kansas

How in the world did Obama get to be the candidate? He makes John Kerry look Presidential.

Operation Chaos

re: #225 galloping granny

true, but it had nothing to do with the US & certainly nothing to do with Truman's so-called inexperience. Fact is, Truman was a pretty good president. Maybe the last good Democratic president.

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

Operation Chaos

Oh yeah. Well, then I should ask how he stays ahead of McCain in the polls. I seriously think the man is deranged.

re: #208 galloping granny

Big muslim population in Detroit.

Not that big, and not really a factor in the elections. Obama's biggest worry is that his major supporter in the state may be in jail by the time the election rolls around. That'd be one Kwame Kilpatrick.

re: #232 Honorary Yooper

Not that big, and not really a factor in the elections. Obama's biggest worry is that his major supporter in the state may be in jail by the time the election rolls around. That'd be one Kwame Kilpatrick.

That probably wouldn't work against a Democrat. : )

re: #218 taxfreekiller

#204
Frogmarching

thanks from

#186

tfk

Real Facts on the two party evil money cult.

Basically - the only way the US can get ahead in the energy market is if our greedy self-absorbed congress can turn it into a personal financial windfall. They all have their sticky fingers in the cookie jar. and they have the audacity to say "how dare oil companies make a profit". Turns out -- congress is jealous!

Speaking of Swift Boats ... anyone remember John F'ing Kerry's promise to Tim Russert?
Question - Is anyone in the MSM going to press Jacques Francois Kerry on him signing his SF180 to RELEASE HIS MILITARY RECORDS? Ain't gonna hold my breath.

Thanks ITellU and Kenneth!

I suspected that, as with everything else, the answer wouldn't be simple.....but that makes sense.

re: #213 cliffster

Michigan doesn't really feel much like a swing state anymore...

Wait and watch. I say it'll go for McCain this year. You have several factors in the state working against the Dems.

1. Usually recessions work well for the Dems. However, as the recent one (depression, really) started in the state under the watch of the Dems (namely, Jennifer Granholm, Governor), it is seen as their fault.

2. The antics of Obama supporter Kwame Kilpatrick. He may be in jail before the election, and cannot marshall the troops to vote for Obama at that time. The removal process for him starts just after Labor Day.

3. The apathy many Dems have toward the primary process debacle this year.

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

Being a paranoid, I would assume that the price is dropping in a calculated effort to increase the shock of a sudden zoom sometime around mid-October, just in time to get people pissed off at the Republicans before the election.

I strongly suspect it has more to do with:

a) strengthening of the dollar
b) drop in demand as the price rose
c) the end of summer vacation demand

re: #207 jcm

Truth is there are now more know world wide reserves than in '56. With new discoveries all the time.

That does not, of course, mean that oil wells/fields don't deplete. Both the IEA and the EIA have future scenarios for oil production... and they have changed depending upon how much customers are willing (or expected) to pay.

The IEA is supposedly going to come out with a major revision of their future scenarios, by this fall, that will come out being quite a bit more pessimistic than the EIA has been in the past.

One thing is known though... that the potential worldwide growth in oil demand is strong as China, India, and various smaller countries (incl. KSA) grow their industry and especially their automobile use.

Therefore expect intense competition for whatever oil is discovered.

re: #230 Kenneth

true, but it had nothing to do with the US & certainly nothing to do with Truman's so-called inexperience. Fact is, Truman was a pretty good president. Maybe the last good Democratic president.

Absolutely nothing, correct. The entire mess on the Indian subcontinent as well as the entire mess in the Middle East can be parked directly on the doorstep of the British Empire. And yes, that includes Iran and Iraq.

I've always had a lot of respect for Truman.

re: #231 kansas

Oh yeah. Well, then I should ask how he stays ahead of McCain in the polls. I seriously think the man is deranged.

We are seeing the results of Operation Chaos in action. His "lead" in the polls is within statistical error and so really is only a fabrication. The Goracle and JF'K were in double-digit leads at this time in their respective election cycles, so why is not the O if he is so danged popular?

re: #217 tshup

While I supported Pickens financing the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, he has always looked out for his own financial interests, no matter what. He has invested heavily in wind, solar and water, and will stoop as low as he needs to enhance his investments, including patronizing Pelosi, Reid and Barrack Hussein Obama!

"t-s" -

Search "Credit Mobilier" for a taste of what it will look like a few years from now. You will find it fascinating.

-S-

re: #243 FurryOldGuyJeans

We are seeing the results of Operation Chaos in action. His "lead" in the polls is within statistical error and so really is only a fabrication. The Goracle and JF'K were in double-digit leads at this time in their respective election cycles, so why is not the O if he is so danged popular?

And do remember that at least two of the major pollsters are in the tank for the big O. These "polls" are their best efforts at keeping Obama on top in the polls.

re: #243 FurryOldGuyJeans

We are seeing the results of Operation Chaos in action. His "lead" in the polls is within statistical error and so really is only a fabrication. The Goracle and JF'K were in double-digit leads at this time in their respective election cycles, so why is not the O if he is so danged popular?

That is what I have been saying for some time. He has never had the lead the Gore or Kerry had, never. And he is not going to get it either. The Media has bent over so far backwards for this guy, they should all be laying flat on their back, and it has done absolutely nothing for him.

Come November, most honest rational adults (and yes there are quite a few in the Dem party) are going to vote for McCain. I suspect it is not even going to be close. And then the Media and the Dems will call everyone who voted for McCain a racist, and we will see a bazillion editorials about how American can't get past its "racist" problems/issues.

re: #240 freetoken

Competition sure. Is oil finite, even with the most generous abiotic oil production numbers we consume it faster than it's produced. We have more than enough energy sources to get us to alternatives.

My point is Hubbert uses US numbers in the '70s to prove his theory. But US oil production had outside factors had a huge impact which Hubbert's theory do not account for.

Peak Oil is a another OHMYGODWEREALLGOINGTODIE panic.

re: #242 galloping granny

You forgot Fwance. The partition of the middle east (Ottoman Empire) into various segments was done because the Ottoman Empire was stupid enough to go into WW 1 on the side of the Germans and lose. How the pie was sliced had Fwance in the decision process.

Truman made some tough choices like dropping the bomb on the Japanese that probably saved a great many Japanese and certainly a great many American lives. He also integrated the armed forces.

re: #247 jcm

I have been following the "peak oil" crowd news for about 35 years now since the mid 70s.

Every single year their predictions have turned out wrong. Every single time anyone in that crowd has made any predictions they have been wrong. I don't know about the rest of you, but if some group makes a dozen or so predictions every single year for 35 years and they are all wrong every single time, I would not pay too much attention to them.

re: #245 galloping granny

And do remember that at least two of the major pollsters are in the tank for the big O. These "polls" are their best efforts at keeping Obama on top in the polls.

Finally the WaPo has admitted to their O bias when it come to reporting. I doubt it will be more than just remarked about. Change? Hardly.

re: #246 JohnnyReb

That is what I have been saying for some time. He has never had the lead the Gore or Kerry had, never. And he is not going to get it either. The Media has bent over so far backwards for this guy, they should all be laying flat on their back, and it has done absolutely nothing for him.

Come November, most honest rational adults (and yes there are quite a few in the Dem party) are going to vote for McCain. I suspect it is not even going to be close. And then the Media and the Dems will call everyone who voted for McCain a racist, and we will see a bazillion editorials about how American can't get past its "racist" problems/issues.

I won't mind being called a racist by a bunch of elists. ;)

re: #239 eschew_obfuscation

I strongly suspect it has more to do with:

a) strengthening of the dollar
b) drop in demand as the price rose
c) the end of summer vacation demand

I pick a) the strongest. Oil went up in real price but not nearly as much as it seemed. If the dollar is worth less, it takes more of them to buy stuff, period. And oil is measured internationally in dollars.

re: #251 FurryOldGuyJeans

I won't mind being called a racist by a bunch of elists. ;)

PIMF! Elitists!

re: #249 JohnnyReb

They'll be right, eventually. The question is, will it be this year, in five years, or in 200 years? The sensible projections I've seen put it out a century and a half or so.

re: #253 buzzsawmonkey

Well, there goes my copy of the predictions of Nostradamus.

Nostradamus is just vague enough that people can make practically anything they want out of his words. Wow, sounds like the average politician.

I'll allow windfarms to be build in my town if Hussein's and Pickens' towns build them first.

re: #257 wiffersnapper

I'll allow windfarms to be build in my town if Hussein's and Pickens' towns build them first.

I'd also want the danged things built near the Kennedy compound as well as a prerequisite.

re: #249 JohnnyReb

Yep - and that goes for all the other stuff like minerals, gold ect ect as well.
According to the 'Club of Rome' in the early 1970, we should all be dead by now, with a few survivors clinging on in caves ...

(And according to earlier doom&gloom-sayers, London should have been covered by horse manure by now as well, what with all those horse-drawn carts and vehicles ...)

Nancy will not make money if we drill in ANWR. Therefore - no drilling in ANWR.

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Speaking of oil, some maroon on NPR this morning was inveighing angrily against a zoning proposal which would require some of the new construction zooming up everywhere in New York to include parking spaces for the residents.

He was incensed at the idea that people might have a place to put their cars, because they should be taking public transportation. And he wanted to make it as miserable and difficult as possible for anyone who might prefer not to.

The Left in all its intrusive, micro-managing glory.

They don't appear to like individuals very much, do they?

re: #239 eschew_obfuscation

I strongly suspect it has more to do with:

a) strengthening of the dollar
b) drop in demand as the price rose
c) the end of summer vacation demand

Supply and demand - how quaint.

re: #260 yma o hyd

According to the 'Club of Rome' in the early 1970, we should all be dead by now, with a few survivors clinging on in caves ...

Are you sure about that? I thought the Club of Rome report estimated that it would be somewhere between 2030 and 2050 that TSHTF...