The American response thus far has been.......underwhelming.

Shades of the Sudetenland. (Too bad that thought is not original with me.)

The Russians will have to train their soldiers to drive those Hummers. Maybe they'll train them on the spot. Then, finally, they'll be able to claim that their soldiers are Poti trained.

/ergghhh

They can't compete with us in the free market, so this?

Lada/Hum knock- offs in our future?

Wow....

Mr. President? You're comments on this, please?

Nice bit of grand theft auto, Ivan.

And they are US Humvees that still belong to us, not something that we gave the Georgians. But then they have also destroyed the port, arrested the police, blown up a coastguard boat. . . . and that is just POTI.

Same old Russian Bear, same old scorched earth. They have no intention of leaving until they have literally flattened every single inch of Georgia.

They are asking for it and I hope they get it. Call their bluff. They are definitely calling us out to fight. Hope we are making plans.

Why steal Hummer's? That makes absolutely no sense. Unless Puti is just wanting to thumb his nose at us for the missile deal. A very petty thing to do when he knows the whole world is watching.

Commandeered or stole. Can we blow the tunnel to keep our property from being transferred back to Russia?

The Russians seem to really, really want to push the US into a war with them. Has Putin been drinking his own Pollonium?

and here we go....

Kick the Ruskies out of G8

Damn! Those Russkies lied about leaving! Now they are stealing everything they can pry up. I think a few F-22's might make then reconsider.

I don't really blame 'em for swiping a Humvee, consider what the rode in on.

/

Remember Virginia's dumb governor Tim Kaine, veep-vetted, confidently said Putin would follow Obama's orders to cease & desist & stay classy!

NOT ready for time players, any of our spineless leaders.

Bring Back Rumsfeld!

re: #5 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

UN?

NATO?

China?

¿Hermanito Castro?

re: #7 galloping granny

The mountains will make that just a little difficult.

Those Humvees can suck down the gas.....hope they return them full.

When are we actually going to do something about this?
All payments to Russia should be frozen, held in escrow, for claims by Georgia.
If Russia stops natural gas and oil shipments, they do. They won't have any money to upgrade their military.

And there is still plenty of coal elsewhere to heat Europe; the greens can freeze but let everyone else stay warm.

Someone who can draw editorial cartoons can draw Europeans warming themselves over a burning Georgia, because that is what Europe is doing.

The Soviets Russians Soviets are just thumbing their noses at the world.
So what else is new?

Obama has now made some "get-tough" comments about the Russkies... That's what's new.

re: #16 alegrias

Remember Virginia's dumb governor Tim Kaine, veep-vetted, confidently said Putin would follow Obama's orders to cease & desist & stay classy!

NOT ready for time players, any of our spineless leaders.

Bring Back Rumsfeld!

I'm sure they still have his phone number!

re: #16 alegrias

Bring Back Rumsfeld!

And Bolton!

re: #19 big steve

Those Humvees can suck down the gas.....hope they return them full.

Looks like we'll just have to charge them when they're finished with them.

It would be a shame if the Russians found themselves involved in a full blown insurgency, complete with IEDs and explosively formed penetrators.

They steal some HMMWVs, fine. But if Gates goes through with his notion of letting them watch us install Poland's missile defenses, that's just it. The last thing we want is them to know how to build the missile defenses we spent so much damn money developing.

blindfolding them and holding them at gunpoint,

TORTURE !

Will the moonbats in San Francisco now be dressing up as Russians, and reenacting blindfolded Georgians with guns aimed at theM
Doubt it

re: #20 Kosh's Shadow

If Russia stops natural gas and oil shipments, they do. They won't have any money to upgrade their military.

What do they care? They'll just outright steal it from their neighbors.

Russia has taken a group of Georgian troops prisoner.

This is above Barack's pay grade

re: #9 JohnnyReb

Why steal Hummer's? That makes absolutely no sense. Unless Puti is just wanting to thumb his nose at us for the missile deal. A very petty thing to do when he knows the whole world is watching.

Of course it makes sense. Perfect sense. Reverse engineer the things, which would tell them both how to build one as good and exactly where the weak points are.

Don't know why they stole American equipment. I was assured last night that our military was broken and all the equipment worn out.

re: #21 Capitalist Tool

The Soviets Russians Soviets are just thumbing their noses at the world.
So what else is new?

Obama has now made some "get-tough" comments about the Russkies... That's what's new.

Obama only did because McCain did. It's a game of copycat right now. McCain speaks, Obama echos.

re: #27 Shug

TORTURE !

Will the moonbats in San Francisco now be dressing up as Russians, and reenacting blindfolded Georgians with guns aimed at theM
Doubt it

i don't think the moonbats know who to root for.

I wonder when the Russian apologists are going to show up? We had a few of them yesterday building straw men all over the place , spouting the line everything is the US's fault. Straight out of the Kremlin talking points, very few posts in the past. I'm beginning to wonder how much of this, seen on many sites, is a concerted effort.

I posted a link on the Overnight thread. Young Georgian females have been kidnapped and raped, young males kidnapped and not seen again.

re: #9 JohnnyReb

Why steal Hummer's? That makes absolutely no sense. Unless Puti is just wanting to thumb his nose at us for the missile deal. A very petty thing to do when he knows the whole world is watching.

* * *
Did you see footage of Russian tanks plowing into Georgian police cars & crumpling them? Russian soldiers appear drunk on power, and the fish rots from the top down. Something's very rotten in Russia. They want our toys and they'll take them at will.

Welcome to reality, leftists. (Except brave Richard Holbrooke who went to Georgia and said Russia was at fault & wasn't observing the "ceasefire". Remember Holbrooke worked on the Dayton Peace Accords during the Clinton Administration, between Bosnia/Serbia).

re: #15 jcm

I don't really blame 'em for swiping a Humvee, consider what the rode in on.

/

If I recall correctly parts of those things are made on machinery that was originally constructed to make parts for the Model A Ford.

(BTW: I wrote this as part of the background for a homebrew TRAVELLER SFRPG universe.)

re: #16 alegrias

Remember Virginia's dumb governor Tim Kaine, veep-vetted, confidently said Putin would follow Obama's orders to cease & desist & stay classy!

NOT ready for time players, any of our spineless leaders.

Bring Back Rumsfeld!

Pray Obama picks this fool. The ads write themselves.

re: #16 alegrias

Bring Back Rumsfeld!

As much as Rumsfield has been pilloried, his use of the military inherited after Bill Clinton's decimations was masterful.

re: #16 alegrias

NOT ready for time players, any of our spineless leaders.

Bring Back Rumsfeld!

I agree with your first statement, but cannot understand your second: Dumbsfeld (along with the President, of course) was, in my view, responsible for three years of very costly dithering in Iraq.

Say what you will about the Russians (and I think we should have sent troops in to Georgia to draw a line), they are not dithering, nor worrying about international opinion, nor court-martialing their soldiers for their antics.

Dumbsfeld was uber-sensitive about opinion and threw many a good soldier overboard regarding the risibly overwrought Abu Ghraib accusations.

re: #31 Silhouette

Don't know why they stole American equipment. I was assured last night that our military was broken and all the equipment worn out.

OUr military as in the US military? Who on earth told you that?

Hey, they are retreating the wrong way.

I was wondering if we left the keys in them, then I remembered that the Russkies probably have many accomplished car thieves in their ranks.......

re: #33 paint-right

i don't think the moonbats know who to root for.

They just have to wait a few hours, see who the US backs, and then support the other guy.

No international political knowledge required!

re: #26 Shotgun Samurai

They steal some HMMWVs, fine. But if Gates goes through with his notion of letting them watch us install Poland's missile defenses, that's just it. The last thing we want is them to know how to build the missile defenses we spent so much damn money developing.

Somehow I think that offer will be withdrawn.

re: #24 Honorary Yooper

Looks like we'll just have to charge them when they're finished with them.

Yea and what rental car companies charge, that would probably bankrupt the Russians.

It's a "peacekeeping" mission. Can't you tell?

*spit*

re: #35 pat

I posted a link on the Overnight thread. Young Georgian females have been kidnapped and raped, young males kidnapped and not seen again.

Russian soldiers traditionally rape. ( WWII) Heard they have Chechyn attack dog paramilitary militias as well.

re: #30 galloping granny

Of course it makes sense. Perfect sense. Reverse engineer the things, which would tell them both how to build one as good and exactly where the weak points are.

Weak Points? Back in WWII the Russians got a B-29 that aborted to a Russian emergency field after bombing Japan. The copied it and created the TU-4. It was so slavish copied that patches and repairs where included in the copy.

re: #11 Iron Fist

The Russians seem to really, really want to push the US into a war with them. Has Putin been drinking his own Pollonium?

* * *
Putin lived in East Germany as a KGB agent during the Cold War when we had presidents with backbone. Then he saw 200,000 drunk Germans staggering in Berlin & chanting for our American Idol candidate and figured the pickings would be easy.

When does Bush fly to Turkey?

re: #41 galloping granny

A poster last night who was buying the "US military is stretched too thin" line. They were convinced the US military was exhausted and broken down, and THAT is why we were active in Georgia.

re: #42 de La Valette

Hey, they are retreating the wrong way.

What is the right way?

Through Hell.

re: #37 The Other Les

If I recall correctly parts of those things are made on machinery that was originally constructed to make parts for the Model A Ford.

(BTW: I wrote this as part of the background for a homebrew TRAVELLER SFRPG universe.)

I wouldn't doubt it.

re: #16 alegrias

Remember Virginia's dumb governor Tim Kaine, veep-vetted, confidently said Putin would follow Obama's orders to cease & desist & stay classy!

NOT ready for time players, any of our spineless leaders.

Bring Back Rumsfeld!

Obama can save the world with his flowery words.
/upt - maybe not.

re: #49 jcm

Weak Points? Back in WWII the Russians got a B-29 that aborted to a Russian emergency field after bombing Japan. The copied it and created the TU-4. It was so slavish copied that patches and repairs where included in the copy.

The Russians can make cars in more than one color now. They actually have a few good engineers these days - at least they did. Might have all left for the West by now.

re: #34 JHW

I wonder when the Russian apologists are going to show up? We had a few of them yesterday building straw men all over the place , spouting the line everything is the US's fault. Straight out of the Kremlin talking points, very few posts in the past. I'm beginning to wonder how much of this, seen on many sites, is a concerted effort.

At the risk of being called a russian apoligist, I still feel this whole Georgia business is just the Russian way of trying to play themselve up from the junior varsity.

re: #37 The Other Les

If I recall correctly parts of those things are made on machinery that was originally constructed to make parts for the Model A Ford.

(BTW: I wrote this as part of the background for a homebrew TRAVELLER SFRPG universe.)

Dang! It's been ages since I played that game!

re: #55 FrogMarch

Obama can save the world with his flowery words.
/upt - maybe not.

Wasn't it Kaine who was crowing about Obama having spoken and the Russians doing just as he suggested - along about day 2 or 3 I think it was.

re: #52 Silhouette

A poster last night who was buying the "US military is stretched too thin" line. They were convinced the US military was exhausted and broken down, and THAT is why we were active in Georgia.

We wouldn't even need a sizable military force to be "active" with the Georgia situation...I seem to remember talk of us moving some missiles into Poland...Moscow could use some warmth.

/

re: #59 galloping granny

Wasn't it Kaine who was crowing about Obama having spoken and the Russians doing just as he suggested - along about day 2 or 3 I think it was.

Exactly.

I don't think Kaine is able.

re: #57 big steve

No, what you're saying isn't what I mean , and you have a valid point in your statement.

re: #52 Silhouette

A poster last night who was buying the "US military is stretched too thin" line. They were convinced the US military was exhausted and broken down, and THAT is why we were active in Georgia.

Must have been from San Francisco. Or following the same SDS/ISM party line the commies used during Vietnam. You know how it goes - if you say it often enough and loud enough it will become true.

re: #61 Silhouette

Exactly.

I don't think Kaine is able.

And if he becomes VP we will all have to mutany.

re: #59 galloping granny

Wasn't it Kaine who was crowing about Obama having spoken and the Russians doing just as he suggested - along about day 2 or 3 I think it was.

Yeah, and Kaine did it with such a wimpy tone in his voice that I expected him to break into a full Al Gore- style lisp.

C'mon people.

You know the routine. Sabre rattling on the left with no intent to act, then when the right makes a move due to pop support the tone changes to "Rush to war!" and "Warmongers".

Don't let this go to your heads and we may be in a good position to do something about it in 2009.

Until then let the bear show its hand and try to send in support. The people know that Biden's pontifications are just that.

Those Humvees are just pollutants anyway. Who cares what happens to them?
/

re: #61 Silhouette

Exactly.

I don't think Kaine is able.

Able was I ere I saw Elba

Is McCain floating the pro-choice rumor so he can pick Giuliani? I hope so. I am not a Tom Ridge fan.

was wondering if we left the keys in them, then I remembered that the Russkies probably have many accomplished car thieves in their ranks.......

Military vehicles don't have keys, There is a switch on the dash that is all. The only keys are the ones used on the padlock that goes to the chain to secure the steering wheel.

re: #56 galloping granny

The Russians can make cars in more than one color now. They actually have a few good engineers these days - at least they did. Might have all left for the West by now.

The Russians always had a good number of excellent engineers. The problem was that they were only sober for about 2-3 hours a day at the most.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said officials were looking into the reported theft of the Humvees.

The deputy head of Russia's general staff, Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, said Russian forces plan to remain in Poti until a local administration is formed, but did not give further details. He also justified previous seizures of Georgian soldiers as necessary to crack down on soldiers who were "out of any kind of control ... acting without command."

As the Russians retreat they are leaving Putin-bots?

re: #72 CIA Reject

The Russians always had a good number of excellent engineers. The problem was that they were only sober for about 2-3 hours a day at the most.

Putin is an engineer by training.

re: #23 victor_yugo

And Bolton!

Bingo!

re: #72 CIA Reject

The Russians always had a good number of excellent engineers. The problem was that they were only sober for about 2-3 hours a day at the most.

Yes, but believe it or not, those 2-3 hours were when they were at their least efficient. The best cure for the hangover is well known to be more vodka.

re: #72 CIA Reject

The Russians always had a good number of excellent engineers. The problem was that they were only sober for about 2-3 hours a day at the most.

Gotta keep warm while you stand in the bread line you know.

re: #56 galloping granny
Nah, the Russians have pretty much always had decent to very good engineers. The problem with their military technology is getting people trained to actually use it. And with getting maintenance done properly and on time.
And this is nowhere more evident than in the Russian Air Force. Russia actually makes some pretty good jet fighters, but they don't have the pilots to fly 'em nor the mechanics to maintain 'em.
In this day and age of computer enabled jets (I'm told by folks who actually know this stuff that the F-22 Raptor couldn't even stay in the air without the use of about eleventymillion computers, cause it violates several rules of aerodynamics that a human couldn't correct), that's more important than the engineering part of it.

re: #74 big steve

Putin is an engineer by training.

Damn.....I was wrong.....Putin is a LAWYER. That explains alot!

re: #76 Shotgun Samurai

Yes, but believe it or not, those 2-3 hours were when they were at their least efficient. The best cure for the hangover is well known to be more vodka.

Ahh- the drinking thread. Prost!

re: #74 big steve

Putin is an engineer by training.

I wonder what he engineered, working for the KGB? Bet it wasn't bridges.

re: #59 galloping granny

Wasn't it Kaine who was crowing about Obama having spoken and the Russians doing just as he suggested - along about day 2 or 3 I think it was.

Yes. Like I said, all Obama has to do is open his mouth - and bam - the world is saved. No foreign policy experience needed.

re: #82 FrogMarch

Yes. Like I said, all Obama has to do is open his mouth - and bam - the world is saved. No foreign policy experience needed.

Nor apparently even any ability to judge a situation correctly.

OT, but this is ridiculous: Prosecuting a former Marine for an alleged "war crime" committed years ago -- and based on "hearsay."

And this is under a "Republican" administration?

God help us under a Democratic regime Administration.

re: #79 big steve

Damn.....I was wrong.....Putin is a LAWYER. That explains alot!

Putin is a KGB Lawyer, that explains more.

re: #79 big steve

Damn.....I was wrong.....Putin is a LAWYER. That explains alot!

Engineer and lawyer training both teach the student to focus the mind.
Either would help explain this Soviet masterstroke (from their perspective).

re: #74 big steve

Putin is an engineer by training.

Funny study on engineers and terrorism

A pair of sociologists have produced a piece of research in which they claim that graduate engineers are statistically over-represented among jihadi terrorists.

"We find that graduates from subjects such as science, engineering, and medicine are strongly overrepresented among Islamist movements in the Muslim world, though not among the extremist Islamic groups which have emerged in Western countries more recently. We also find that engineers alone are strongly over-represented among graduates in violent groups in both realms. This is all the more puzzling for engineers are virtually absent from left-wing violent extremists and only present rather than over-represented among right-wing extremists."

Of course, they make a classic scientific process blunder in assuming that correlation = causation.

It is more likely that being a jihadists makes you want to go to engineering school, the better to learn to destroy. Or that a third thing causes both.

Also funny that they are shocked that engineers are absent from left-wing terrorism. Dudes, leftists belong to the chattering classes - they want to talk, not do. They become teachers, politicians, journalists, writers, and community organizers.

re: #80 Capitalist Tool

Ahh- the drinking thread. Prost!

For a second there I thought you wrote Proust :)

re: #50 alegrias

Yep. Putin's betting that the Obamessiah wins. Can the US survive four years of Obama? I don't know. I'd rather not have to find out. Even Jimmy Carter didn't have the Russians invading in anticipation of his election.

An AP television crew has seen Russian troops in and around Poti all week, with local port officials saying the Russians had destroyed radar, boats and other Coast Guard equipment there.

otherwise known as "peacekeeping".

re: #88 galloping granny

For a second there I thought you wrote Proust :)

Ouch!

We should protect our property wherever it is in the world...

What? They're not done looting yet? land some marines and the 82 Airborne... Yes, all of them... Show them what a real war looks like...

re: #76 Shotgun Samurai

re: #77 galloping granny

Both good points, but I think the biggest problem faced by Soviet industry was with the manufacturing workforce being plastered most of the time. Kinda hard to do precision machining when you see three lathes....

Russian Bastards!

re: #78 realwest

Nah, the Russians have pretty much always had decent to very good engineers. The problem with their military technology is getting people trained to actually use it. And with getting maintenance done properly and on time.
And this is nowhere more evident than in the Russian Air Force. Russia actually makes some pretty good jet fighters, but they don't have the pilots to fly 'em nor the mechanics to maintain 'em.
In this day and age of computer enabled jets (I'm told by folks who actually know this stuff that the F-22 Raptor couldn't even stay in the air without the use of about eleventymillion computers, cause it violates several rules of aerodynamics that a human couldn't correct), that's more important than the engineering part of it.

Another problem is manufacturing. Many of the Russian military equipment is built cheaply; think the sub K-19.
And the general lack of care about the crew, given that some Soviet tank had an autoloader with a tendency to remove the gunner's arm.

re: #92 anotherindyfilmguy

We should protect our property wherever it is in the world...

What? They're not done looting yet? land some marines and the 82 Airborne... Yes, all of them... Show them what a real war looks like...

Go sign yer ass right up.

re: #88 galloping granny

For a second there I thought you wrote Proust :)

It's Swann's Way or the highway!

I still have this idea that the coldwar isnt over. Maybe it's my age maybe its how I was trained but Soviets (Russians) just cant be trusted!

Those are American HUMMERS... the Russians should be giving hummers to get out of Georgia not taking hummers like the raping, looting thieves they are!
What? They're HUMVEEs? Ohhh... never mind...

Heh, who would have guessed that the Russian army wouldn't observe the Geneva PoW convention.

Shocked, shocked I tell you.

... Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has icily defended Russia's actions.

"Anyone who tries anything like that will face a crushing response,"

the commie puppet has spoken.

Wait, wait, wait!

They stole US vehicles?

NOW this is war. You never steal a man's horse ride.

Send in the Marines and Warthogs!

/

re: #87 Silhouette

Of course, they make a classic scientific process blunder in assuming that correlation = causation.

It is more likely that being a jihadists makes you want to go to engineering school, the better to learn to destroy. Or that a third thing causes both.

Also funny that they are shocked that engineers are absent from left-wing terrorism. Dudes, leftists belong to the chattering classes - they want to talk, not do. They become teachers, politicians, journalists, writers, and community organizers.

And it's hard to do tensor calculus when you're stoned...

This is all the more puzzling for engineers are virtually absent from left-wing violent extremists and only present rather than over-represented among right-wing extremists."

Well we engineers are taught the right hand rule.

Right Hand Rule

re: #96 Capitalist Tool

Go sign yer ass right up.

Retired several years ago as a SFC. Go sign yerself up.

re: #93 CIA Reject

re: #77 galloping granny

Both good points, but I think the biggest problem faced by Soviet industry was with the manufacturing workforce being plastered most of the time. Kinda hard to do precision machining when you see three lathes....

I think the biggest thing has to do with the Soviet mindset. Make no waves, make no complaints, do not draw attention to yourself - and definitely do not come up with any unique ideas, because if they fail you and your entire family will disappear into Siberia for all eternity. The Soviets were quite competent at maintaining a society of sheep. Sheep do not make great engineers of new things.

re: #93 CIA Reject

re: #77 galloping granny

Both good points, but I think the biggest problem faced by Soviet industry was with the manufacturing workforce being plastered most of the time. Kinda hard to do precision machining when you see three lathes....

Built with tolerance to three decimal places. Well, the machinist saw three decimal points, anyway.

I have to wonder if it has crossed Putin's little commie mind, what he and his "Army" of drunks and thieves look like to the observing world? What they can't cart away they vomit on. Russia comes off more as a organized crime operation than a country. Reminiscent of when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

Another factor is that Russians buy little of their top drawer stuff. Most of it is sold overseas.
BTW, it was reported on Fox that Putin has stolen or extorted $40B. yep. You read that right.

re: #87 Silhouette

Leftists want to give orders, not follow them.

re: #87 Silhouette

I vote for correlation. Becoming an engineer is a prestige thing in the Arab world, as in many other third-world countries. I wouldn't bet that would-be terrorist bombers go through a college engineering program just to design better bombs.

re: #108 maddogg

Bullies only care that they instill fear in those around them and don't think that they might be sowing the seeds of others ganging up on them to beat civility into them.

In case your blood pressure is to low try this exercise in equivalence.
Election a study in US patriotism.

re: #37 The Other Les

BTW Les...here's a possible ending to another saga....

The Russians are playing a stupid game, a lot like a kid trying to establish bona fides in the school yard.
In the process the are making the big kid (us) look a little afraid.
This is not going unnoticed by other nations in jeopardy.

Man, did Rick Warren destroy Colmes last night. Colmes is so easily rattled by the truth. Is he delusional?

Maybe now we'll hear some condemnation from the Left, you know how angry they get with people who drive Hummers.

re: #106 galloping granny

I think the biggest thing has to do with the Soviet mindset. Make no waves, make no complaints, do not draw attention to yourself - and definitely do not come up with any unique ideas, because if they fail you and your entire family will disappear into Siberia for all eternity. The Soviets were quite competent at maintaining a society of sheep. Sheep do not make great engineers of new things.

EXACTLY!

I don't think that this is OT, since I believe that this US election has a lot to do with Russia's actions...Election a study in U.S. patriotism

(Reuters) - The U.S. presidential election presents a sharp contrast between two types of patriotism: John McCain stands as a war hero. His rival Barack Obama calls Americans back to the can-do spirit of the nation's founders.
(editorial note by me...Whaaaaat?!)
In November the candidates will find out which style appealed more to voters in this time of war and economic uncertainty.

Unlike other democratic countries, patriotism, though a fuzzy concept, plays powerfully in U.S. elections, when Americans are often reminded of their country's revolutionary roots and politicians tap into a sense of national pride.

I don't think that Reuters has the slightest suspicion of what makes America tick.

re: #83 galloping granny

Nor apparently even any ability to judge a situation correctly.

Exactly. but no matter, the (in-the-tank for the democrats) media will cover for the lack of ability to judge a situation. Instead we get Andrea Mitchell saying John McCain cheated - but without any evidence.

re: #61 Silhouette

Exactly.

I don't think Kaine is able.

In a very short period of time he has been able to spend us (Virginia) into the hole.

re: #105 anotherindyfilmguy

Retired several years ago as a SFC. Go sign yerself up.

Retired SFC? Good job.
Making a call to engage the Russians on their border? Re-enlist.

Ps I was airborne nearly 40 yrs. ago. Can't say that I had all I wanted of it, but had all I could stand...

re: #101 FrogMarch

the commie puppet has spoken.

Needs to be slapped and told to like it.

re: #109 pat

Another factor is that Russians buy little of their top drawer stuff. Most of it is sold overseas.
BTW, it was reported on Fox that Putin has stolen or extorted $40B. yep. You read that right.

the Russian people are so screwed.

re: #107 Kosh's Shadow

Built with tolerance to three decimal places. Well, the machinist saw three decimal points, anyway.

RULES OF PRECISION:

1) Measure with MICROMETER

2) Mark with CHALK

3) Cut with AXE

Yup!

re: #108 maddogg

I have to wonder if it has crossed Putin's little commie mind, what he and his "Army" of drunks and thieves look like to the observing world? What they can't cart away they vomit on. Russia comes off more as a organized crime operation than a country. Reminiscent of when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

Of course he knows what his army of thieves and rapists looks like to the world. The Iranians, Syrians, Jordanians and much of the rest of the islamic world are cheering, because one false step and they have a green light to drive Israel into the sea at long last.

The European nations are cowering in their boots, because one false step and they are going to be pretty darned cold this winter. And on top of that, we no longer have the troop levels in Europe to defend the continent against the Russian bear alone and the Europeans have militaries about the equivalent of your local national guard.

Putin knows just exactly what he looks like to the world. Tzar Vladimir.

re: #122 Capitalist Tool

My brother is an NCO in the 82nd Airborne these days. Talked about how bad some of the guys want to go to Georgia.. it seems they did some training with the Georgians and had worked with them in the sandbox.

re: #61 Silhouette

Exactly.

I don't think Kaine is able.

He isn't. Able was Kaines brother

/rimshot

When Russia and the Cubans invade Montana, we'll remember that they are:

1. Communists,
2. Invaders,
3. Rapists,
4. Home-invaders,
5. Carjackers,
6. Violent alcoholics,
7. Looters,
8. Car thieves,
9. Mass murderers,
and...(breathe)...
10. Backshooters.

168gr. SMKBTHP, Apply Directly to the Forehead.

re: #92 anotherindyfilmguy

land some marines and the 82 Airborne... Yes, all of them... Show them what a real war looks like...

Uh... I don't think you want to know what a real way looks like. Especially one that starts with the US and Russia each trying to "one-up" the other over Georgia.

OTOH, there are probably a whole range of things that we can help the Georgians with that will make life uncomfortable, shall we say, for the Russian occupiers.

re: #116 pat

Man, did Rick Warren destroy Colmes Skeletor last night. Colmes Skeletor is so easily rattled by the truth. Is he delusional?

There, fixed that for ya!

re: #100 Crusader Rabbit

And look at the millions of Peace Protesters world wide protesting the Russian actions.

What...?

re: #128 Shug

He isn't. Able was Kaines brother

/rimshot

This is just Obamatable.

#100 Crusader Rabbit

From CNN:

The officer said that, on Monday, Georgians killed two of his soldiers in the village of Tamarasheni.

"We detained three of them," he said, according to the organization. "Two of them didn't do anything to us so we just let them go -- we couldn't take them anywhere as I had to take care of my own men first. The third one seemed to be high on something -- a normal person would have surrendered, and this one was shooting at us instead. We questioned him and then executed him."

Russians drop cluster bombs in Georgia

I am assuming that these men were uniformed. Don't expect to hear about it.

Let's steal some Russian military equipment in retaliation!

/Hey, it can be melted down for scrap.

Uh oh, Rush is playing the 7 minute Obama studdering clip.

Gosh, I hope their tires were properly inflated...

/sarc off

re: #127 baconeatingkaffir

My brother is an NCO in the 82nd Airborne these days. Talked about how bad some of the guys want to go to Georgia.. it seems they did some training with the Georgians and had worked with them in the sandbox.

That's right! The Georgians have done quite well helping us with that little mess. Some reciprocity is in order.

re: #119 razorbacker

I don't think that this is OT, since I believe that this US election has a lot to do with Russia's actions...Election a study in U.S. patriotism

I don't think that Reuters has the slightest suspicion of what makes America tick.

"Can-do"? Can do what? Can check the air in tires, cut back consumption, certainly can't protect ourselves, never mind another country.

I have to hand it to roto-Reuters; they keep the shit flowing.

Someone posted a better article on why McCain will win, and I think that article is more accurate.

Heh. Rush is playing the Obama Wizard of Uhhs clip again.

Such powerful oratory.

re: #129 Sol Roth

Um...HeadOn?

Putin and his communists have been watching US politics and realizing how easy it is to subvert the stupid lazy left-wing American proggie mind.

re: #19 big steve

Those Humvees can suck down the gas.....hope they return them full.

Otherwise the rental agency will charge them extra.

re: #128 Shug

He isn't. Able was Kaines brother

/rimshot

Was that Charles Foster Kane?

re: #95 Kosh's Shadow
Yes, that's true too. One of the reasons the AK-47 is SUCH a good weapon is because it isn't machined to very demanding tolerances - in the case of an assault rifle intended to be fired on full automatic most of the time that can be a good thing - prevents jamming. Makes it hard for semi-auto firing however.

This requires a strongly worded memo!

re: #115 opnion

Exactly. They need to be beaten down/humiliated while relatively weak or they can build on the perception of victory* to become stronger and do more damage later on.

*the third reich was not as strong as it was perceived when it started to invade it's smaller neighbors but the lack of a tangible western response allowed those successes to be played as huge propaganda win and as justification for the actions that grew into WW2... for all it's perceived success in the invasion the capitol of Georgia is still Georgian and the government there has not yet fallen while the Russian troops continue to loot etc as they "withdraw".

re: #126 galloping granny

Of course he knows what his army of thieves and rapists looks like to the world. The Iranians, Syrians, Jordanians and much of the rest of the islamic world are cheering, because one false step and they have a green light to drive Israel into the sea at long last.

They could pool all their resources and still lack the stones to get that done. Not gonna happen, no matter who gives the green light.

what do you expect from the russians...little known fact...on putins trip to Kennebunkport last year, after he left 5 bathroom towels, one of the Bush's daughters laptops, and all the light bulbs from the guest suite were missing the next day...coincedence? I think not...

/of course I made that up...lol...or did I?

re: #145 realwest

Yes, that's true too. One of the reasons the AK-47 is SUCH a good weapon is because it isn't machined to very demanding tolerances - in the case of an assault rifle intended to be fired on full automatic most of the time that can be a good thing - prevents jamming. Makes it hard for semi-auto firing however.

Doesn't do much for accuracy, either, but a man makes a big target up close.

re: #141 Macker

Um...HeadOn?

WOLVERINES!

re: #131 Macker

Skeltor was ripped - Alan Colmes, not so much.

re: #116 pat

Man, did Rick Warren destroy Colmes last night. Colmes is so easily rattled by the truth. Is he delusional?

Yes.

re: #149 Spider Mensch

what do you expect from the russians...little known fact...on putins trip to Kennebunkport last year, after he left 5 bathroom towels, one of the Bush's daughters laptops, and all the light bulbs from the guest suite were missing the next day...coincedence? I think not...

/of course I made that up...lol...or did I?

How about the "W" keys?

re: #145 realwest

True. Most of their equipment isnt' exactly technologically advanced. That would be dificult to get non-Russian speaking former sheep herder conscripts from slobovistan to learn how to use. The simpler it is the easier it is to use and the less likely it is to mess up. Then again I remember them telling us in basic trainingabout the soviet guys on those missile sites straining the fuel through cloth and whatever they could get their hands on so they could get drunk on it.

re: #134 dnc_hindenburg
HOLY CRAP! That story about Russians using clusterbombs was reported by Human Rights Watch and was reported by CNN!
Has the world gone MAD?!

Anyone out there who can draw editorial cartoons? With Europe doing nothing, I think there should be a cartoon of Europeans warming themselves over a burning Georgia.

re: #121 vapig

In a very short period of time he has been able to spend us (Virginia) into the hole.

I know. You have sales tax, an income tax, the lottery, and inspection fees. Plus county stickers.

But STILL Virginia is in debt. Where is the money going?

re: #146 Kerr Avon

This requires a strongly worded memo!

Please. I posted the last strongly worded memo and got yelloed at for eating bandwidth and torturing puppies with uncontrolled "modalities."

re: #130 Son of the Black Dog

It is precisely an unwillingness to engage in war that leads evil men to gauge that they can pillage and loot their neighbors at will. What you will not fight to defend will be taken from you.

The Russian are carjacking our Humvees? South Central Asia is starting to sound like South Central LA.

How does one say "Yo, Dog." in Russian?

re: #155 baconeatingkaffir

Sterno!

re: #114 Macker

BTW Les...here's a possible ending to another saga....

The Left is always redefining patriotism & misquoting Jefferson.
If the standard is traditional love of country patriotism, they fall short.
Therefore it is always something like "dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

re: #154 Capitalist Tool

How about the "W" keys?

That was Slick Willie. He thought they looked so much like Monica's upper half, he just had to have them.

re: #2 lostlakehiker

The Russians will have to train their soldiers to drive those Hummers. Maybe they'll train them on the spot. Then, finally, they'll be able to claim that their soldiers are Poti trained.

/ergghhh

In the Army you have to take a Humvee-specific driver training.

Does the Russian invasion of Georgia show just how useless NATO has become? I dont see anyone scared of NATO or the EU. However as I said in an earlier post, the Georgians and a few of the o ther former soviet occupied countries are helping the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.. which is a hell of a lot more than we cansay for alot ofthe NATO members.

re: #155 baconeatingkaffir Lordy I always thought those stories were just fabricated! Now I'm not so sure!

re: #164 Honorary Yooper

That was Slick Willie. He thought they looked so much like Monica's upper half, he just had to have them.

So what about the "Y" keys?

/hmmmm...

re: #161 calcajun

The Russian are carjacking our Humvees? South Central Asia is starting to sound like South Central LA.

How does one say "Yo, Dog." in Russian?

Not sure, but I am sure that Nastia Liukin directly translates to "Grace Incarnate".

re: #158 Silhouette

I know. You have sales tax, an income tax, the lottery, and inspection fees. Plus county stickers.

But STILL Virginia is in debt. Where is the money going?

Vanity plates are free, though! With a population of rednecks & government bureaucrats, you do see some good ones driving though the Old Dominion!

re: #156 realwest

HOLY CRAP! That story about Russians using clusterbombs was reported by Human Rights Watch and was reported by CNN!
Has the world gone MAD?!

I tell you the whole truth with all the bark knocked off...it's just a crying damn shame what we've made the poor down-trodden Russians do.

I weep. I surely do.

Now I'm going back outside and stand in the rain because by God that's all I deserve.

re: #166 baconeatingkaffir

Does the Russian invasion of Georgia show just how useless NATO has become?

Possibly, but I see it as the opposite. It shows how important NATO membership might have been in protecting Georgia, if they'd been let in when they wanted.

re: #143 Cygnus

Otherwise the rental agency will charge them extra.

Yeah & if they waved the supplemental insurance they better not have an accident.

re: #148 maddogg

They could pool all their resources and still lack the stones to get that done. Not gonna happen, no matter who gives the green light.

You know that, but history tells us that the muslims do NOT know that. They tried it within 10 minutes of Israel declaring independence and they have tried it on at least 3 occasions since in a very big way - not counting the go rounds with Lebanon. The muslims will come right back at Israel in a mass gang bang every single chance they get.

What do you think that the King of Jordan recognizing Hamas is all about? Or Egypt demanding to move troops into Gaza?

re: #172 Silhouette

But would NATO have had the backbone to do something about it or would they have pulled an EU or UN andsent the Russians a nasty letter?

re: #34 JHW

I wonder when the Russian apologists are going to show up? We had a few of them yesterday building straw men all over the place , spouting the line everything is the US's fault. Straight out of the Kremlin talking points, very few posts in the past. I'm beginning to wonder how much of this, seen on many sites, is a concerted effort.

I've seen the exact same thing on many other sites as well. Some are openly rooting for the Russians while others pretend they aren't despite what their posts say.

re: #170 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I had my last name in code. But alas, when I moved out of Virginia, the new state wants $40 extra a year.

I ain't THAT vain.

re: #172 Silhouette

Possibly, but I see it as the opposite. It shows how important NATO membership might have been in protecting Georgia, if they'd been let in when they wanted.

Then NATO could really have been shown up as useless...

re: #155 baconeatingkaffir And, of course, the AK doesn't require much training or ammunition for someone to fire full auto fairly accurately (fairly being the important word here) and most "guerrilla forces" don't usually have the luxury of expending ammo or time training their recruits.

re: #161 calcajun

The Russian are carjacking our Humvees? South Central Asia is starting to sound like South Central LA.

How does one say "Yo, Dog." in Russian?

[Link: translate.google.com...]

re: #151 Sol Roth

WOLVERINES!

The ones with the Muslim foot baths?

In Russia, vehicles give you Hummers!
/

re: #14 maddogg

Damn! Those Russkies lied about leaving! Now they are stealing everything they can pry up. I think a few F-22's might make then reconsider.

Low-life scum.

OT: It looks like Iran uses North Korean missile technology for sure:
US official: Iranian satellite launch was 'a dramatic failure'

"The vehicle failed shortly after liftoff and in no way reached its intended position. It could be characterized as a dramatic failure."

ranian television showed the rocket on its launch pad, but did not show the actual lift-off.

re: #146 Kerr Avon

This requires a strongly worded memo!

Send them to bed with no dessert!

re: #155 baconeatingkaffir

True. Most of their equipment isnt' exactly technologically advanced. That would be dificult to get non-Russian speaking former sheep herder conscripts from slobovistan to learn how to use. The simpler it is the easier it is to use and the less likely it is to mess up. Then again I remember them telling us in basic trainingabout the soviet guys on those missile sites straining the fuel through cloth and whatever they could get their hands on so they could get drunk on it.

The Red AIr Force had a big problem with ground crews DRINKING the alcohol based brake fluid on the MiG-25s. Pissed the pilots off big time when they landed and then couldn't STOP!

re: #167 realwest

I'm not sure. Thats what was told to us when I went to basic almost 20 years ago. Saw alot of sovietsky soldiers when I was in berlin as a kid. Traded one of them a pack of marlboros for a guards badge and his mahorka cigarettes. After smoking those you want to drink rocket fuel!

re: #134 dnc_hindenburg

#100 Crusader Rabbit

From CNN:

The officer said that, on Monday, Georgians killed two of his soldiers in the village of Tamarasheni.

"We detained three of them," he said, according to the organization. "Two of them didn't do anything to us so we just let them go -- we couldn't take them anywhere as I had to take care of my own men first. The third one seemed to be high on something -- a normal person would have surrendered, and this one was shooting at us instead. We questioned him and then executed him."

Russians drop cluster bombs in Georgia

I am assuming that these men were uniformed. Don't expect to hear about it.

It really was a good clue as to the character of the Russian Government that they have aided and abetted every thug dictatorship they could all over the world since WWII. Did we think that character had improved? Just changed coats.

re: #177 Hard Right

I think we have a couple still here, biding their time to come out of the woodwork, probably late in the day.

re: #167 realwest

Lordy I always thought those stories were just fabricated! Now I'm not so sure!

Hey Real., I saw guys drinking after shave lotion to get the alcohol.
Bet you did to.
How ya doin?

re: #176 baconeatingkaffir

We'll never know. But I do think Russia moved on them because of the NATO refusal. They saw it as all the NATO countries going on the record as saying they would NOT come to Georgia's aid; therefore, Russia was free to pillage at will. But since we can't go back in time and see if it still would have happened with NATO membership, I have nothing to back up my theory except gut feelings.

re: #182 akak

The ones with the Muslim foot baths?

Wolverines giving foot baths? That's gotta hurt.

/now just stick your foot through this hole...

/yow!

re: #175 taxfreekiller

Wish you would
Wish you might
Wish the Russian Bear away tonight?

No, not tonight, the Bear smells road kill by the U.S. Democratic Party.

Just because the liberal loons tell one another there will be peace on earth, does not make it so.

Russia, is the problem, was the problem and will be the problem.

Question is, are we the solution.

First look within.

This might have pushed McCain over the top to victory. I think most voters are thinking about who they want in charge with a rampaging bear, and the unicorn rider isn't the one.

re: #161 calcajun

The Russian are carjacking our Humvees? South Central Asia is starting to sound like South Central LA.

How does one say "Yo, Dog." in Russian?

"Yo, собака."

Or, at least according to the website in GG's #181.

We should have finished off Russian and Cuba way back when.

The only good communist is a dead communist.

I used to see alot of carloads of tourists from Georgia in Istanbul. Cute girls... fun people to drink with. They really hate the Russians. I see NATO, EU and UN credibility (or what little they still have left) at stake here.

re: #122 Capitalist Tool

Retired SFC? Good job.
Making a call to engage the Russians on their border? Re-enlist.

Ps I was airborne nearly 40 yrs. ago. Can't say that I had all I wanted of it, but had all I could stand...

Sorry, can't re-enlist. Can only go back if the Secretary of Defense orders it, per my retirement orders. Period. On the other hand you should read some of the earlier posts regarding the conflict zone. The area is a bear trap with mainly mountain passes/rail/one tunnel to get in there. They stalled their offensive somewhat because of two things: unexpected world reaction and possibly, for all the reporting to the contrary, taking over Georgia turned out to be a harder thing than anticipated.

If we let them take over Georgia, if we're not willing to assist a sovereign nation, one that has been an ally in our efforts in Iraq, against an invasion generated by the Russians then we give the Russians a free hand to do as they please against the world. the last time the world made a similar mistake led to WW2.

re: #174 galloping granny

You know that, but history tells us that the muslims do NOT know that. They tried it within 10 minutes of Israel declaring independence and they have tried it on at least 3 occasions since in a very big way - not counting the go rounds with Lebanon. The muslims will come right back at Israel in a mass gang bang every single chance they get.

What do you think that the King of Jordan recognizing Hamas is all about? Or Egypt demanding to move troops into Gaza?

I think its been too long since their last serious ass kicking, thats what I think it's about. They need a refresher course in humility.

re: #116 pat

I saw it too. Warren said something that resonated with me. He's all for separation of church and state. But, not faith and politics; faith is nothing more than your world view--and everyone has a world view.

Remember, Alan Colmes has his job to do; it would not have been credible for Hannity to x-examine Warren on the "cone of silence" business. Colmes did a good job.

I know this is still OT, but bear with me as it does have something to do with the debate and this topic. Obama still thinks that most Americans want a thoughtful, "nuanced" approach to solving problems. Frankly some problems need that approach. But the fundamental differences between the two men came to light on Saturday. In short, to use Hillary's "3:00 AM" phone call scenario, this is the most likely response from the two candidates:

Obama:

"Well, we need to alert the Joint Cheifs and get the NSC people over here, too. Also DCI needs to be brought in. Tell the Russian and Georgian ambassadors we will take no action until we have reviewed all the evidence and made a careful assessment of the situation..."

McCain:

"Bomb the fuckers."

I know this is an oversimplification, but I think it is accurate.

And treason is the highest form of dissent! Therefore treason = dissent! TRUTH TO POWER!

/puts down the bong

re: #163 opnion

The Left is always redefining patriotism & misquoting Jefferson.
If the standard is traditional love of country patriotism, they fall short.
Therefore it is always something like "dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

re: #187 CIA Reject

The Red AIr Force had a big problem with ground crews DRINKING the alcohol based brake fluid on the MiG-25s. Pissed the pilots off big time when they landed and then couldn't STOP!

Or them drinking the alcohol based cleaner for sensitive equipment which was then improperly cleaned with something else that damaged the equipment. IIRC it was radar equipment.

re: #159 lifeofthemind
HEY! I didn't yell, much less "yelloe" at you and I never once mentioned puppies! And I apologized for my comment once you said it was from an e-mail so you had to chew up Charles' bandwidth with so many "modalities"! LOL!
And lighten up, Francis - I know you had lunch with some friends of mine and they said NICE things about me!
Thpibbbit!

re: #197 FrogMarch

We should have finished off Russian and Cuba way back when.

The only good communist is a dead communist.

Froggie, I agree!

re: #127 baconeatingkaffir

My brother is an NCO in the 82nd Airborne these days. Talked about how bad some of the guys want to go to Georgia.. it seems they did some training with the Georgians and had worked with them in the sandbox.

have a strong feeling that where my guy is going. he deploys in a week. they never really know where they will end up till they get there. Situation changing rapidly.

I just sent Rush that LA Times poll story about 10 minutes ago and bam, now it's viral.

Oh, please be right....

re: #198 baconeatingkaffir

Hey, since you are in Turkey, how's the mood there regarding the Russian invasion of Georgia? I know the Turks aren't very fond of the Russians, and have gone to war with them several times in the past.

re: #203 Hard Right

I was browsing some websites awhile back of former East German military veterans and alot of them who worked with that sensitive radar equipment now have leukemia and cancer. Primitive equipment.... ack!

re: #158 Silhouette

I know. You have sales tax, an income tax, the lottery, and inspection fees. Plus county stickers.

But STILL Virginia is in debt. Where is the money going?

Do what we did in Indiana: sell a toll road or two and lower property taxes.

Now we have surplus that we're trying wrench from the grubby hands of the State Legislature and get a refund. Dream a little dream...

re: #182 akak

The ones with the Muslim foot baths?

Heeeeeellll no. The ones in Calumet, Colorado.

Israel to be included in US defense shield.

/your move General Fatfuckerov

There hasn't been a better time for many years to have some canned food stockpiled.

Several stories in the paper yesterday insisted that Georgia had attacked South Ossetia and the Russians were "restoring order". I can't think of what to do about this claim other than to memorize the names of the reporters and update my internal GAZE files. Most of the rest of us are noticing that Georgia carries Russia's oil to Turkey, and Russia has been very very unhappy about its lack of control over those pipelines.

L3s protest in the streets, yelling about "Bush Oil War", yet don't seem to understand that the Gulf war in 1991 was because Sadaam wanted to seize Kuwait's oil, nor do they comprehend that 4 US Presidents had contemplated taking out Sadaam for 20 years rather than have a belligerent warmongering dictator in charge of vital energy supplies.. Do they really believe that the rest of the world has completely different motivations than the US?

On a brighter note, I'm in Lincoln, Nebraska, and T. Boone Pickens is having a meeting here tomorrow on his wind-power plan. Any Lizards want to pass me a few questions to ask? I'm thinking of carrying a sign, but not sure if it'll be 'that' kind of event.

America will go to wind and solar the second a politician figures out how to get taxes, graft and kickbacks from the Sun. Until then, oil will stay very important and the Marines may have to secure it for the rest of us.

at Fox News:

Pentagon says no significant change in occupation, NATO drops relations with Russia until pullout

re: #181 galloping granny

Cute. Now if only I could remember the letter sounds for the Cyrillic alphabet.

re: #208 Honorary Yooper

Erdogan went to Tblisi to try to "sort things out". I dunno what good that will do. Turkey itsself is in kind of a quagmire now with the Islamists in power here and the failure of the supremecourt to remove them. One can only hope that the army is still intact here.

re: #201 calcajun

I know this is still OT, but bear with me as it does have something to do with the debate and this topic. Obama still thinks that most Americans want a thoughtful, "nuanced" approach to solving problems. Frankly some problems need that approach. But the fundamental differences between the two men came to light on Saturday. In short, to use Hillary's "3:00 AM" phone call scenario, this is the most likely response from the two candidates:

Obama:

"Well, we need to alert the Joint Cheifs and get the NSC people over here, too. Also DCI needs to be brought in. Tell the Russian and Georgian ambassadors we will take no action until we have reviewed all the evidence and made a careful assessment of the situation..."

McCain:

"Bomb the fuckers."

I know this is an oversimplification, but I think it is accurate.

Actually, I can't see Obama calling in the Joint Chiefs. The UN, yes, but not the military.

re: #207 JammieWearingFool

I just sent Rush that LA Times poll story about 10 minutes ago and bam, now it's viral.

Oh, please be right....

Huh, what story ? Linky, please.

re: #196 Honorary Yooper

"Yo, собак а."

Or, at least according to the website in GG's #181.

Google's translation tool is reasonably accurate. It does have some oddities. While researching my genealogy I needed the French to English tool quite some bit. Invariably when it was asked to translate "nun" that nun magically became a "chocolate eclair." Go figure.

re: #199 anotherindyfilmguy

Sorry, can't re-enlist. Can only go back if the Secretary of Defense orders it, per my retirement orders. Period. On the other hand you should read some of the earlier posts regarding the conflict zone. The area is a bear trap with mainly mountain passes/rail/one tunnel to get in there. They stalled their offensive somewhat because of two things: unexpected world reaction and possibly, for all the reporting to the contrary, taking over Georgia turned out to be a harder thing than anticipated.

If we let them take over Georgia, if we're not willing to assist a sovereign nation, one that has been an ally in our efforts in Iraq, against an invasion generated by the Russians then we give the Russians a free hand to do as they please against the world. the last time the world made a similar mistake led to WW2.

Oh, you are so right. This won't stand.

I'm looking for some insurgency- style attacks to begin soon- the type that trap armored units in a small area and then the real fun begins.
This apparent lull in response from the west is just more time for a shakana- style response to be put in place without large military incursions from our side.

re: #191 JHW

I think we have a couple still here, biding their time to come out of the woodwork, probably late in the day.

Awaiting orders from their commie masters I suppose.
I've also seen Ronulans and those who feel that the the American Civil War was a war of agression by the North taking Russia's side as well.
One of the jackasses (jackassi?) had the nerve to say he was against oppressive governments-this guy was defending Russia's actions!

Disgusting how some people refuse to face reality and make it a point to excuse evil.

re: #217 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, I can't see Obama calling in the Joint Chiefs. The UN, yes, but not the military.

Or as Obama calls the, "The Chief Joints of Staff." Hey, go with what you know best, Barry!

re: #92 anotherindyfilmguy

We should protect our property wherever it is in the world...

What? They're not done looting yet? land some marines and the 82 Airborne... Yes, all of them... Show them what a real war looks like...

spoken like a true civilian....

cut the roads, and it's all over but them walking home.

no direct attacks on russian troops, no military confrontation, just good old logistics.

re: #98 baconeatingkaffir

I still have this idea that the coldwar isnt over. Maybe it's my age maybe its how I was trained but Soviets (Russians) just cant be trusted!

I agree and my training probably parallels yours. Another problem is that they feel the same way about us.

re: #219 galloping granny

Google's translation tool is reasonably accurate. It does have some oddities. While researching my genealogy I needed the French to English tool quite some bit. Invariably when it was asked to translate "nun" that nun magically became a "chocolate eclair." Go figure.

Chocolate Eclair? Every dude in here already regards you fem- lizzies as tasty little morsels.
Mwahaha.

Now we will see how much spine Bush really has. Will he act like Reagan, or Obama?

re: #223 redc1c4

Blow some bridges and a tunnel and they will just become 19th century infantry--albeit with automatic weapons. But, unless they're airlifted, how are they re-supplied.

re: #207 JammieWearingFool

I just sent Rush that LA Times poll story about 10 minutes ago and bam, now it's viral.

Oh, please be right....

Excellent!

My money's on Bayh for veep.

"It is time for the how Russian president to keep his word to withdraw Russian forces," Rice told a news conference.

Is it just me, or does this sound a bit familiar?

And I'd love to know how much of Russia's actions really are being directed by Medvedev. Here's an interesting story from Der Spiegel on Putin, which gives some insight into Europe, for those of us who may be wondering how a whole continent seems to have disappeared from the political scene...

(And thanks once again to the AP for a timely story.)

re: #222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or as Obama calls the, "The Chief Joints of Staff." Hey, go with what you know best, Barry!

Or the Chief Staff of Joints?

They seized the port, they're planning something else than relying on that tunnel.

re: #218 Ward Cleaver

Huh, what story ? Linky, please.

Sorry, this one.

Put it in the links earlier.

re: #207 JammieWearingFool

I just sent Rush that LA Times poll story about 10 minutes ago and bam, now it's viral.

Oh, please be right....

Have I heard Rush mention you on his show by name? I couild have sworn I have,..,....(your blog name, that is. heh.).

Barry needs to get over there and do some community organizing.

re: #229 Cognito

Is it just me, or does this sound a bit familiar?

And I'd love to know how much of Russia's actions really are being directed by Medvedev. Here's an interesting story from Der Spiegel on Putin, which gives some insight into Europe, for those of us who may be wondering how a whole continent seems to have disappeared from the political scene...

(And thanks once again to the AP for a timely story.)

Are they still employing terrorists?

I think Ironfist or Realwest pointed out just yesterday,

"Georgia is lost, so face it."

'Fraid so...getting pissed now!

re: #209 baconeatingkaffir

I was browsing some websites awhile back of former East German military veterans and alot of them who worked with that sensitive radar equipment now have leukemia and cancer. Primitive equipment.... ack!

Jeez. Would that be a type of "friendly fire"?

re: #232 JammieWearingFool

Sorry, this one.

Put it in the links earlier.

Thanks Jammie.

re: #223 redc1c4

spoken like a true civilian....

cut the roads, and it's all over but them walking home.

no direct attacks on russian troops, no military confrontation, just good old logistics.

Amateurs discuss tactics professionals discuss logistics.

re: #212 akak

Israel to be included in US defense shield.

/your move General Fatfuckerov

Really?

Do you have a source for this?

(I'd also say; good Boydian strategery means NEVER just saying "it's your move" to an opponent!)

re: #223 redc1c4

spoken like a true civilian....

cut the roads, and it's all over but them walking home.

no direct attacks on russian troops, no military confrontation, just good old logistics.

That strategy is a balancing act... when they run out of something to eat, they eat what you've got to eat.

re: #192 opnion Hey there! I'm doing ok - tooth gets pulled on the 27th but only causes me pain if I accidentally chew on it or if I grind my teeth - with the news we've been having, I wish they'd pull it sooner! LOL!
How are you doing my friend?

re: #228 jcm

Excellent!

My money's on Bayh for veep.

Looks like Obama's making a run for Indiana's votes. That's an uphill battle for him. He's got a few strikes against him there already, first and foremost is that he is an Illinois politician from Chicago.

re: #114 Macker

BTW Les...here's a possible ending to another saga....

I'd like to see that POS locked in a room with a group of very angry 9/11 survivors and relatives for about an hour. Get the whole thing on DVD.

re: #217 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, I can't see Obama calling in the Joint Chiefs. The UN, yes, but not the military.

I agree with you. It seems like Obama views the military, including General Pertaius as is his intellectual inferiors.
He is much more comfotrable with 3rd World firebrands and Socialist Europeans. I do believe that the guy greatly overrates himself

re: #222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or as Obama calls the, "The Chief Joints of Staff." Hey, go with what you know best, Barry!

The Chief Joints of Staff under BO will be John Edwards....as in "I have a position available on my staff."

re: #246 kansas

The Chief Joints of Staff under BO will be John Edwards....as in "I have a position available on my staff."

The missionary position?

They invented 50 Caliber tri-pods for that'll sync with a walker yet?

re: #231 JHW

They seized the port, they're planning something else than relying on that tunnel.

That's also to keep aid at bay, as much as anything.

Inside the Battle for the Black Sea

While the speed of the Russian Army's response grabbed the attention of western observers, the fast response by the Russian Navy has been quite remarkable, too. The war started on Friday August 8th; the Black Sea Fleet was reported to arrive off the coast of Georgia on Saturday August 9th. That's pretty impressive, considering it is about 400 nautical miles from Sevastopol to Ochamchire. While the Moskva, Smetlivy, Muromets, and Aleksandrovets can make good speed and make the trip quickly, those ships sailed from Sevastopol with an assortment of support vessels that could only make 12-16 knots, at best. Simple math reveals that would make it a 25 hour trip, meaning the ships would have had to put to sea almost immediately after the fighting began. For any fleet to deploy that quickly is extraordinary readiness.

Further proof, the invasion was pre-planned by Russia.

re: #247 Ward Cleaver

The missionary position?

I try to not visualize that.

re: #217 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, I can't see Obama calling in the Joint Chiefs. The UN, yes, but not the military.

I can see obama calling george clooney and oprah.

re: #222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or as Obama calls the, "The Chief Joints of Staff." Hey, go with what you know best, Barry!

Obama by his own statements intends to cut the military drastically and institute a new "civilian" force as large and well equipped as our military is now to deal with social unrest. Quite some statement from an attorney who claims to be a Constitutional scholar.

/How fast can you say Brown Shirts?

re: #233 Vergeltung

Have I heard Rush mention you on his show by name? I couild have sworn I have,..,....(your blog name, that is. heh.).

I know he mentioned me once for sure last fall. Of course, I missed it but folks here heard it and he had me linked on his site.

I know he or his staff read my emails since I send him off topic items and he always seems to read them coming out of the breaks. I knew the LA Times poll item would pique his interest.

re: #223 redc1c4

spoken like a true civilian....
cut the roads, and it's all over but them walking home.
no direct attacks on russian troops, no military confrontation, just good old logistics.

you have been saying that alot here, and I believe you are quite right. hope someone's listening. :)

re: #231 JHW

They seized the port, they're planning something else than relying on that tunnel.

Ukraine has locked them out of Black Sea Ports.

re: #223 redc1c4

spoken like a true civilian....

cut the roads, and it's all over but them walking home.

no direct attacks on russian troops, no military confrontation, just good old logistics.

Hardly, don't be a troll. For actual tactics on causing them harm how about actually reading the earlier threads on the topic previously. Short version of suggested action: Put our troops there to help defend Georgia, turn the region into no fly zone, cut of their supply lines* and let the few A-10's we have turn their armor into smoking heaps if they don't give up/surrender/walk out.

*actually both the easiest thing that can be done but also the most provocative because it traps the Russians there.

re: #249 Capitalist Tool

Absolutely true, but it'll work fine for resupply also.

re: #251 kansas

I try to not visualize that.

Good idea.