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McCain-Lieberman 2008?

Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:27:06 pm PDT

The Politico headline says it all: McCain weighs a Lieberman surprise.

John McCain is seriously considering choosing a pro-abortion-rights running mate despite vocal resistance from conservatives, with former Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) very much in the mix, close McCain advisers say.

Under strong consideration: former Pennsylvania Republican Gov. Tom Ridge, and Lieberman, who was Al Gore’s running mate in 2000.

Multiple GOP sources say that party officials in Washington and in the states have been contacted by the McCain campaign in the past two weeks and asked about the fallout from such a choice. One person familiar with the calls said the party was being instructed to prepare for different candidate prototypes — including one in the mold of Lieberman, who is an independent but still caucuses with the Democrats.

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1 Fast Eddie  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:28:15pm

It's one thing to be a "maverick" -- it's another thing to be "insane."

2 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:28:20pm

Nah, not gonna happen.

3 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:28:52pm

Wouldn't surprise me...they're close.

4 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:29:33pm
5 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:30:24pm
6 Macker  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:30:30pm

I'm just holding my breath.

7 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:30:38pm

He could do worse. Luckily, Tom Ridge is off the table - that is one of the "doing worse" options. Frankly, though, I think the whole thing over both VPs is just PR & hype to keep the enthusiasm level up.

8 WitchDoctor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:30:59pm

Call me when he *actually* announces

9 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:31:09pm

I'd kinda like to have two who are that strong against what we are facing.

10 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:31:33pm

Why not? McCain is practically a JFK era democrat anyhow... On the other hand he's "just considering it" so odds are he's picked someone and this might be a ploy to make everyone *happy* when he doesn't pick Joe etc...
/hoping its a Machiavellian ploy...

11 Norm Chumpsky  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:31:40pm

Sure hope not. I like Lieberman but other than being good on the war he's not a guy I would want as president. I think a lot of Republicans look at McCain as a one term guy and I think it's too important for the next VP to be someone that could run in 4 years...and that ain't Joe.

12 DaveOlson  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:31:49pm

It is more important for McCain to gather middle of the road voters than the right. No matter who McCain choses, it is hard for me to see anyone on the right voting for Barack - "kill those babies" - Obama.

13 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:31:54pm

re: #5 buzzsawmonkey

I hope he does not choose Lieberman. I like Lieberman, but I don't want him to choose someone who may well lose him needed votes.

Well certainly the same could be said for Romney. Romney has such a terrible reputation in much of New England over his governorship of Massachusetts that him as VP would definitely cost votes in this neck of the woods.

14 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:31:57pm

The reason Gore lost the South.

15 Da Coyote  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:32:20pm

He does it and he's out. I was just getting where I could think of voting for him whilst holding my nose. Only Obama can be that stupid...right?

16 LSD  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:32:40pm

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

17 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:32:56pm

In other news Obama has actually chosen Satan to be his running mate based on popularity polls that show him to bring in more votes than any other democrat candidate...

18 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:33:21pm

re: #10 anotherindyfilmguy

Why not? McCain is practically a JFK era democrat anyhow... On the other hand he's "just considering it" so odds are he's picked someone and this might be a ploy to make everyone *happy* when he doesn't pick Joe etc...
/hoping its a Machiavellian Rovian ploy...

Machiavelli is dead.

/

19 Shug  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:33:24pm

Why not. It worked so well for algore

20 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:33:58pm

re: #17 anotherindyfilmguy

In other news Obama has actually chosen Satan to be his running mate based on popularity polls that show him to bring in more votes than any other democrat candidate...

If Satan's still dating Saddam, it may actually bring a lot more Desm to the polls.

21 Shug  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:34:00pm

When I heard McCain was picking a liberal democrat for his Veep, I said " No , not Lindsey Graham "

22 Lawrior  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:34:00pm

It's a shame the states were not told to prepare for a VP in the mold of a conservative.

23 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:34:03pm

It is only with a considerable amount of sacrifice of ideals that many conservatives acquiesce to a John McCain candidacy.

Don't push your luck, Senator McCain.

24 rasachema  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:34:11pm

God No!

25 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:34:35pm

Maybe the campaign is floating this idea to make the actual nominee seem like a relief. (Giuliani?)

26 RTLM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:34:44pm

Mitt.

27 J.S.  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:35:04pm

OT

I'm watching the Olympics' synchronized swimming on French CBC...the Spanish team...what an odd assortment (scary) of musical riffs going on there..(It's scarring my birds..)

28 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:35:05pm

re: #3 jorline

Wouldn't surprise me...they're close.

* * *
And as I've said before, McCain voted for Gore-Lieberman in 2000.

Arianna Huffington and others called McCain on it, and of course his campaign denied it.

But hey, a maverick is a maverick. And McCain's willing to tell Putin where to go. And Lieberman stood tall in the saddle on Iraq and against jihadists and leftist Koskidz democrats, which is more than you can say for many. Both are tough nuts.

29 brainpimp  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:35:12pm

That would be a colossal mistake. We don't have to become Democrats to beat them. JL adds nothing to the ticket and there are going to be a significant amount of voters that hate both of the 1st choices and will be voting strictly off the bottom of the ticket.

30 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:35:14pm

No To Joe

31 Sol Roth  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:35:32pm

Dear Senator McCain:

Do you want to lose?

Sincerely,

Sol Roth (Green Cracker Party)

32 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:36:07pm

If he did do that, the destruction of the Conservative wing of the Republican party would be complete. 40 years in the wilderness, to follow.

33 jjag  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:36:16pm

If McCain picks a Lieberman he's basically sticking it to conservatives.

If he thinks that will work for him, that conservatives have no place else to go, he may be very disappointed.

A liberal vp pick would probably MOTIVATE conservatives to stay away. Knowing McCain's "loose" act, I wouldn't be surprised if he convinces himself a Lieberman (by appeasing the NY Times crowd) would garner him media applause. Unfortunately, McCain won't win with the media applauding him as they'll never like his liberalism as much as Obama's.

34 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:36:28pm

re: #7 galloping granny

He could do worse. Luckily, Tom Ridge is off the table - that is one of the "doing worse" options. Frankly, though, I think the whole thing over both VPs is just PR & hype to keep the enthusiasm level up.

* * *
Yes, and flatter the vetteds so they'll campaign harder in their respective states for the McCain team--less than 79 days left!

35 all else failed  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:36:54pm

Lieberman has been done already...What about RUDY G?

36 seekeroftruth  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:36:56pm

Hannity just said that Ridge was off the VP list because of the pro abortion viewpoint. That would also remove Lieberman as well.

37 Meremortal  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:37:00pm

This is a trial balloon. The choice of Lieberman has no effect on the abortion situation, but it certainly could inflame many who are anti-abortion, as I am. It would not inflame me since I understand that tens of millions of minds must be changed before abortion can become outlawed in America. Electing anti-abortionists does nothing. Overturning Roe v Wade does virtually nothing. Only Utah and Guam (OK, Louisiana would be close) would outlaw abortion if a vote was taken in all states today. The only way to stop abortion is to convince tens of millions of Americans that abortion equals infanticide.

That will take many years.

38 RTLM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:37:41pm
39 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:37:53pm

McCain is betting heavily that most conservatives will vote against Obama as much as vote for him, so why not go with a guy like Leiberman who is likely to sway middle-leaning democrats away from the (more-)socialist Obama? Look what happened to Ned Lamont...

40 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:38:17pm

re: #13 galloping granny

Well certainly the same could be said for Romney. Romney has such a terrible reputation in much of New England over his governorship of Massachusetts that him as VP would definitely cost votes in this neck of the woods.

* * *
But I love Romney! He's such a sunny yet tough on terror guy.

41 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:38:58pm

re: #36 seekeroftruth

Hannity just said that Ridge was off the VP list because of the pro abortion viewpoint. That would also remove Lieberman as well.

The talking heads have nothing to talk about without bringing up some very uncomfortable truths - like Obama's torpedo job on the Born Alive Act in Illinois, or hiding records re his relationship with Ayers.

42 Colonel Panik  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:39:12pm

I like Lieberman's stance on the WOT, but the guy is NOT a friend of gun owners. He needs to have a serious come to Jesus Moses moment on that one before I could enthusiatically support him for McCain's veep.

43 Sol Roth  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:39:28pm

re: #35 all else failed

Lieberman has been done already...What about RUDY G?

Yankee that hates guns (big track record on that.) Great Gotham mayor, just doesn't play west of the Hudson.

44 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:39:29pm

re: #14 Ben Hur

The reason Gore lost the South.

* * *
Gore couldn't win Gore's own state.

Are you saying the South is antisemitic?

45 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:39:38pm

re: #40 alegrias

* * *
But I love Romney! He's such a sunny yet tough on terror guy.

He is an absolute disaster on the economy. Made one hell of a mess out of Massachusetts.

46 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:39:58pm

re: #18 OldLineTexan

Machiavelli is dead.

/

I thought he was McCain's first campaign adviser... sigh... the years fly by...

47 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:40:17pm

I've heard worse ideas.

48 Shug  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:40:25pm

Bush = pro life
GOP = pro life

Bush had a majority in both houses.

and yet abortions are still legal.

So why worry so much about the Veep's view on abortion when a staunch pro-life can't make them illegal when he has control of both houses of congress?

I care more about the Veeps position on Islamic fascism

49 HelloDare  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:40:33pm

McCain just made a pledge to Rick Warren and America that he would have a pro-life administration. If he nominates Lieberman, his word is crap.

50 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:40:42pm

Ain't gonna happen, but it is a crafty "leak."

To shore up Florida, Mac needs the large contingency of retired Northerners to go for him. By playing up his close ties to Leiberman, he is sending a signal to the Jewish members of that contingent that he is their candidate.

VP will be Romney. It's been a done deal since Romney stepped aside early.

51 Colonel Panik  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:40:42pm

re: #35 all else failed

Lieberman has been done already...What about RUDY G?

Rudy G is just Lieberman in drag.

52 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:40:45pm

Sometimes I wish it were already November 3rd, 2008 and this were all over. President McCain and Vice-President ...................

53 Baelzar  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:41:10pm

Never happen. So sayeth the Pirate Master.

54 seekeroftruth  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:41:12pm

re: #41 galloping granny

Thank goodness for radio talking heads. They, with the internet, are the ones getting the facts out to the people. The MSM too busy drawing halos around their candidate.

55 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:41:19pm

re: #45 galloping granny

He is an absolute disaster on the economy. Made one hell of a mess out of Massachusetts.

I call BS.
Massachusetts has been a financial train wreck for as long as i've been aware of events outside myself.

56 Sol Roth  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:41:29pm

re: #50 Deafdog

Ain't gonna happen, but it is a crafty "leak."

To shore up Florida, Mac needs the large contingency of retired Northerners to go for him. By playing up his close ties to Leiberman, he is sending a signal to the Jewish members of that contingent that he is their candidate.

VP will be Romney. It's been a done deal since Romney stepped aside early.

Best analysis yet. Thanks.

57 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:41:39pm

re: #51 Colonel Panik

Rudy G is just Lieberman in drag.

Saturday night live- right?

58 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:41:52pm

I'd love to see Dick Cheney again, if only for the moonbat head-exploding factor.

/kidding -- sort of

59 Izzy Dunne  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:41:54pm

Please tell me this is another MSM wet dream.
LIEberman brings to the table what, exactly?
Proven track record in national elections.
Mellifluent oratory
bipartisanship (puhleeze)
Connecticut (I doubt it)
Experience (puhleeze)
Fundraising prowess (actually, I don't know)
What?

60 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:42:08pm

Interesting idea for someone to run on both sides of the ticket in the last 10 years. He isn't my fave though.

61 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:42:10pm

re: #52 Nevergiveup

Sometimes I wish it were already November 3rd, 2008 and this were all over. President McCain and Vice-President ...................

But you'd miss the NY Open!

62 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:42:10pm

re: #56 Sol Roth

First for everything

63 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:42:29pm

re: #48 Shug

Bush = pro life
GOP = pro life

Bush had a majority in both houses.

and yet abortions are still legal.

So why worry so much about the Veep's view on abortion when a staunch pro-life can't make them illegal when he has control of both houses of congress?

I care more about the Veeps position on Islamic fascism


It has more to do with the supremes and getting rid of the leftys there.

64 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:42:56pm

re: #23 Capitalist Tool

It is only with a considerable amount of sacrifice of ideals that many conservatives acquiesce to a John McCain candidacy.

Don't push your luck, Senator McCain.

* * *
Get off your high horse.

Putin doesn't care about your ideals, McCain does.
Al Qaeda doesn't care about your ideals, Lieberman does.

Only one team is willing to stand up to these two life threatening menaces and the fifth column propping them up.

65 joncelli  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:43:17pm

Bad, bad, bad idea. Joe L. for SecDef--NOT VP.

66 cyclown  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:43:49pm

And in other news, "indy" Sen. Lieberman still caucuses with the Democracks. Maverick needs another talk with Goose before making this fatal decision.

67 Russkilitlover  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:44:00pm

Well, then say Goodbye to the White House,

68 Sol Roth  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:44:06pm

re: #62 Deafdog

First for everything

Keep it up!

69 Colonel Panik  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:44:15pm

re: #44 alegrias

* * *
Gore couldn't win Gore's own state.

Are you saying the South is antisemitic?

The South (and the West) don't like big city northeastern anti-gun liberals.

Doesn't matter what religion they are.

I'd vote for a Pro-RKBA Jewish guy (or gal!) in a heartbeat.

70 HelloDare  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:44:21pm

Wonder if McCain returned the favor and called Kerry?

71 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:44:31pm

re: #64 alegrias

You think my point is moot?
Have you been paying attention?

72 Shug  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:44:37pm

re: #63 newsjunkie_ky

I love roberts and alito. But to get confirmed they had to basically say they are not changing previously settled cases ( stare decisus....sorry for the spelling. I'm no legal beagle )

so Roe v wade is not going anywhere.

but I do agree, packing as conservative as you get get judges is paramount in a nation where the laws seem to come from the bench lately

73 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:44:39pm

Perhaps McCain is really gunning hard for the middle because:

a. Obama is further to the left than any major party Presidential candidate in history, and even centrists are a little afraid, and
b. McCain figures that far-right wingers will be so terrified of Obama that they'll dutifully go to the polls and pull the lever (while holding their nose) for McCain/Lieberman.

It's a helluva gamble. Or maybe not. If it works, it will hailed as an act of pure political genius. And if it backfires, McCain loses an election that every pundit said he would lose anyway.

74 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:44:59pm

re: #1 Fast Eddie

It's one thing to be a "maverick" -- it's another thing to be "insane."

To my own surprise, I'm not so outraged by this.

Lieberman is strong where a Vice President needs to be strong, and where he's weak -- in my estimation -- it doesn't matter.

And more importantly than any of that, maybe, is his effect on the votership. There are a lot of Democrats out there who aren't Socialists, who are good people, and who just might vote for McCain if they like his VP.

75 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:45:00pm

re: #65 joncelli

Bad, bad, bad idea. Joe L. for SecDef--NOT VP.

Joe L. will have a spot in the cabinet...not sure that I'd give him Secdef though.

76 Colonel Panik  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:45:21pm

re: #65 joncelli

Bad, bad, bad idea. Joe L. for SecDef--NOT VP.

Lieberman has bupkis (sp) military experience.
Joe L. as ambassador to Israel. Duncan Hunter for Sec Def.

77 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:45:35pm

re: #13 galloping granny

Well certainly the same could be said for Romney. Romney has such a terrible reputation in much of New England over his governorship of Massachusetts that him as VP would definitely cost votes in this neck of the woods.

And this would affect the election is states that vote for Democrats anyway, how?

Romney gets McCain Michigan, which is a bigger prize than any small New England state, and could very well win McCain the election.

78 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:45:46pm
John McCain is seriously considering choosing a pro-abortion-rights running mate despite vocal resistance from conservatives, with former Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph I. Lieberman

NO!

/ridiculous nonsense or political suicide, take your pick

79 calcajun  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:46:10pm

Look at this analytically. Where does McCain need to make up ground? he cannot afford to alienate the base any further. He cannot take the base for granted in order to get moderate voters (think "New Coke") so he will not pick a pro-choice candidate. Lieberman would make a good cabinet selection but not a VP.

His choice of a VP will have to be able to fill several roles. It may be woman, but that might smack of desperation. The GOP VP candidate will need to be young and healthy, a political and fiscal conservative, and be able to help in the battleground states. Since McCain will carry the south, it (probably)won't be Hukabee. It won't be Romney since the Mormon issue is still there and it's doubtful he'd help carry Michigan. Tom Ridge might help in PA, but the pro-life issue precludes him.

Tim Pawlenty is the most likely candidate who fits this criteria.

80 TheWasteLand  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:46:45pm

Don't cross the streams. It would be bad.

Joe's ACU rating in 2007 was 8. Obama's was 7.

Source: http://www.acuratings.org/2007senate.htm

81 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:47:01pm

re: #44 alegrias

* * *
Gore couldn't win Gore's own state.

Are you saying the South is antisemitic?

Not really.

But I don't think a Joo on the ticket is an advantage.

82 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:47:05pm

re: #59 Izzy Dunne

Bipartisanship and e may be able to turn Massachusetts into a swing state. That would be impressive. He also brings some multi-culti appeal that seems trendy this year.

83 Shug  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:47:06pm

Is Pat Paulson available ?

84 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:47:08pm

re: #45 galloping granny

He is an absolute disaster on the economy. Made one hell of a mess out of Massachusetts.

* * *
Taxachusetts-- after decades of totalitarian Kennedy & Kerry control, is somehow ruined by 4 years of Romney? SOrry but I'm not buying it.

How much can a one term republican governor do to UNDO a socialist state?

85 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:47:13pm

We don't need a ticket with two moderates.

86 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:47:30pm

re: #70 HelloDare

Wonder if McCain returned the favor and called Kerry?

HAHAHAHA

Talk about exploding heads. The RNC would would run McCain out of town like the villigers in a Frankenstein movie.

87 Cato  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:47:37pm

I have friends in low places, namely McCain's driver in one area he has campaigned. He says McCain and Lieberman are as close as they can get, but he thinks that Charlie Crist is more likely. McCain gets along with Crist and he might actually be able to deliver Florida.

88 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:48:07pm

re: #83 Shug

Is Pat Paulson available ?

/only in Chicago

89 Shug  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:48:37pm

re: #88 Killian Bundy


spew

90 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:48:49pm

I can't help but like Lieberman. I would have liked John Bolton or Tom Ridge, but I can live with Lieberman as VP.

91 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:48:54pm

re: #81 Ben Hur

Not really.

But I don't think a Northeastern Joo on the ticket is an advantage.

better.

92 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:49:02pm

re: #76 Colonel Panik

Lieberman has bupkis (sp) military experience.
Joe L. as ambassador to Israel. Duncan Hunter for Sec Def.

I like it!....do we still need to have the election?

93 calcajun  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:49:14pm

re: #87 Cato

Possible, but not probable. Crist would be able deliver FL irrespective of whether or not he's on the ticket. Besides, the shot of two gray-haired white guys is a rotten image for the GOP.

94 DocDublU  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:49:28pm

please pick a woman
please pick a woman
please pick a woman or a black guy
please pick a woman or a black guy

95 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:49:41pm

I think it is Pawlenty and Lieberman as VP is just idle speculation.

96 Cato  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:49:51pm

BTW, I think McCain should choose Michael Steele. THAT would be playing identity politics.

97 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:49:55pm

re: #85 Sharmuta

We don't need a ticket with two moderates.

Unfortunately I think maybe we do.

Obama has already begun to paint McCain as Bush redux, and I (painfully) suspect that resonates.

Like I said, I think Lieberman is strong where it counts for a VP. And where he's not strong, it won't matter.

98 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:50:21pm

re: #94 DocDublU

please pick a woman
please pick a woman
please pick a woman or a black guy
please pick a woman or a black guy

Oprah!

99 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:50:34pm

re: #61 debutaunt

But you'd miss the NY Open!

Maybe but depending in the weather and how the games are played, I may still catch the 7th game of the World Series! Not that my Yankees will be there. Oh the horror of it all!

100 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:50:44pm

re: #58 Fat Jolly Penguin

I'd love to see Dick Cheney again, if only for the moonbat head-exploding factor.

/kidding -- sort of

that would be awesome...the only thing better will be Jeb Bush in '12 or '16!

101 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:50:45pm

re: #70 HelloDare

Wonder if McCain returned the favor and called Kerry?

* * *
I think Kerry ripped it with McCain after sliming him recently...

How quickly Kerry forgot "I wanted McCain as my Veep, before I wanted John Edwards as my veep".

102 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:50:48pm

re: #98 Capitalist Tool

Oprah!

Uma

103 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:50:57pm

re: #90 Maximu§

but I can live with Lieberman as VP.

You won't have to worry about it.

/because if McCain picks him, Obama will be President

104 calcajun  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:00pm

re: #94 DocDublU

Too desperate.

To please all minorities, he would have to pick a single, black, handicapped, elderly gay woman as a running mate. No names spring to mind.

105 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:07pm

re: #83 Shug

Is Pat Paulson available ?


If he is not at the top of the ticket he won't run.

106 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:10pm

re: #44 alegrias

* * *
Gore couldn't win Gore's own state.

Are you saying the South is antisemitic?

No, Tennessee is anti-Gore.
Lieberman wasn't the problem, except for a tiny minority of voters.

107 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:10pm

re: #84 alegrias

Taxachusetts-- after decades of totalitarian Kennedy & Kerry control, is somehow ruined by 4 years of Romney? SOrry but I'm not buying it.

How much can a one term republican governor do to UNDO a socialist state?

Not much. I look at his record in the Salt Lake Olympics, and his father's record in Michigan. The Romney name is very well known and respected on both sides of the aisle in the state. And with Obama trying his luck with a potential Bayh VP in Indiana, this negates it.

New England, the South, the West is not where this election will be won or lost this year. It is in the Midwest: Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and yes, even Minnesota.

108 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:12pm

re: #77 Honorary Yooper

And this would affect the election is states that vote for Democrats anyway, how?

Romney gets McCain Michigan, which is a bigger prize than any small New England state, and could very well win McCain the election.

Because of his Mornomanism, Romney also has a good organizing base in Nevada and Colorado, not to mention a lot of roots in New Hampshire. Politically, Romney is the best choice, IMO.

109 Shug  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:20pm

re: #94 DocDublU

please pick a woman
please pick a woman
please pick a woman or a black guy
please pick a woman or a black guy

How about a black butch lesbian ?

110 HelloDare  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:26pm

re: #94 DocDublU

please pick a woman
please pick a woman
please pick a woman or a black guy
please pick a woman or a black guy

A transsexual black guy would meet all the criteria.

111 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:26pm

re: #91 Ben Hur

Well that's a problem. That may very well be true. They won't go for Romney because of their bigotry and they may not go for Leiberman for the same reason. Maybe it's time for the GOP to seriously consider if that's the base they want. Maybe it's time to jettison them.

112 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:33pm

OT

US Army Moves ahead with mobile LASER cannon

This could save lots of soldiers lives in the near future...including my own son.

113 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:39pm

re: #69 Colonel Panik

The South (and the West) don't like big city northeastern anti-gun liberals.

Doesn't matter what religion they are.

I'd vote for a Pro-RKBA Jewish guy (or gal!) in a heartbeat.

* * *
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) of Virginia could be your man then! Kind of young but able.

114 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:40pm

re: #49 HelloDare

McCain just made a pledge to Rick Warren and America that he would have a pro-life administration. If he nominates Lieberman, his word is crap.

The Veep isn't really "administration." Essentially they wait around and bang a gavel now and then over at Congress. No power, no authority, no portfolio, no nada.

115 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:51:49pm

re: #97 Cognito

Unfortunately I think maybe we do.

Obama has already begun to paint McCain as Bush redux, and I (painfully) suspect that resonates.

Like I said, I think Lieberman is strong where it counts for a VP. And where he's not strong, it won't matter.

The thing that's starting to resonate is Obama being Carter redux.

116 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:52:00pm

re: #97 Cognito

Unfortunately I think maybe we do.

Obama has already begun to paint McCain as Bush redux, and I (painfully) suspect that resonates.

Like I said, I think Lieberman is strong where it counts for a VP. And where he's not strong, it won't matter.


Anyone one who believes that McCain is a Bush redux is either a political novice, or intellectually dishonest.

Seeing that Bush supporters can't stand McCain, and vice-versa.

The whole attempt is a BS marketting campaign.

117 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:52:17pm

re: #109 Shug

How about a black butch lesbian ?

Obama's running against McCain silly.

118 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:52:20pm

I'd rather see Mitt as VP, and Joe as SecDef.

119 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:52:59pm

Wouldn't bother me to see the two link up.

The VP doesn't do a whole lot. And Joe ain't a bad guy either.

Plus, it has the added benefit of placing a stick squarely in the eye of Democrats who claim that they run an inclusive, non-ideological party.

People like to think that Obama is a once in a generation candidate when it is actually John McCain.

120 HelloDare  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:53:02pm

If Obama picks Joe Biden it will be a gaffe fest.

121 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:53:12pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Well that's a problem. That may very well be true. They won't go for Romney because of their bigotry and they may not go for Leiberman for the same reason. Maybe it's time for the GOP to seriously consider if that's the base they want. Maybe it's time to jettison them.

I don't know if it's bigotry because Southern Joos didn't have any problems (relatively) until them Yankee Joos came down.

122 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:53:14pm

re: #73 Lizard by the Bay

Perhaps McCain is really gunning hard for the middle because:

a. Obama is further to the left than any major party Presidential candidate in history, and even centrists are a little afraid, and
b. McCain figures that far-right wingers will be so terrified of Obama that they'll dutifully go to the polls and pull the lever (while holding their nose) for McCain/Lieberman.

It's a helluva gamble. Or maybe not. If it works, it will hailed as an act of pure political genius. And if it backfires, McCain loses an election that every pundit said he would lose anyway.

Jeb 2012!

123 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:53:20pm

re: #118 Ward Cleaver

I'd rather see Mitt as VP, and Joe as SecDef.

Now that's a hell of a place for Joe. It'd drive all the Dems nuts to see it.

124 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:53:46pm

re: #71 Capitalist Tool

You think my point is moot?
Have you been paying attention?

* * *
You have no idea how hard I'm holding my nose either, but COUNTRY first. YOu'd have to tie me down to keep me from voting, though holding my nose & crossing my fingers.

McCain puts COUNTRY FIRST, and that seems best right now.

125 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:53:47pm

re: #116 Ben Hur

Anyone one who believes that McCain is a Bush redux is either a political novice, or intellectually dishonest.

Doesn't matter. All those people have the right to pull the lever, just like you and me.

126 kansas  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:53:48pm

When Lieberman ran with Gore all his principles went straight out the window. Maybe his pro choice position would change like his anti affirmative action stance did. I remember him kissing Maxine Water's.............ring.

127 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:53:49pm
128 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:54:01pm

re: #94 DocDublU

please pick a woman
please pick a woman
please pick a woman or a black guy
please pick a woman or a black guy

We are an affermitive action nation, after all.

129 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:54:02pm

re: #105 newsjunkie_ky

If he is not at the top of the ticket he won't run.

He's running six feet under the ticket.

130 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:54:06pm

re: #120 HelloDare

If Obama picks Joe Biden it will be a gaffe fest.

I think he'll choose Bayh at this point, even though it would be an Illinois-Indiana ticket. This election will be won or lost in the Midwest.

131 HelloDare  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:54:22pm

re: #123 Honorary Yooper

Lieberman for Secretary of Driving the Dems Nuts.

132 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:54:28pm

re: #84 alegrias

* * *
Taxachusetts-- after decades of totalitarian Kennedy & Kerry control, is somehow ruined by 4 years of Romney? SOrry but I'm not buying it.

How much can a one term republican governor do to UNDO a socialist state?

He didn't try to undo it. I'm afraid that the only way to undo it is to start all over again. Huge numbers of former MA residents have moved to NH to get away. And BTW, Kennedy and Kerry are Senators - federal level. Neither of them do or ever did have much of anything to do with or say about local level. Truthfully, they are probably in Washington to keep them the hell out of local politics.

133 Maui Girl  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:54:31pm

The McCain campaign is just feeding the masses tidbits of information regarding VP choices to get a feel for how people are reacting (or not reacting). We may end up being very surprised at who he picks.

/keeping fingers crossed

134 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:54:38pm

Gee, if McCain works really hard, maybe he can alienate every constituency he needs to win the election.

/there's still time left

135 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:55:22pm

re: #73 Lizard by the Bay

Perhaps McCain is really gunning hard for the middle because:

a. Obama is further to the left than any major party Presidential candidate in history, and even centrists are a little afraid, and
b. McCain figures that far-right wingers will be so terrified of Obama that they'll dutifully go to the polls and pull the lever (while holding their nose) for McCain/Lieberman.

It's a helluva gamble. Or maybe not. If it works, it will hailed as an act of pure political genius. And if it backfires, McCain loses an election that every pundit said he would lose anyway.

* * *
Best summation. It would be nice if a McCain victory weren't close, but whatever works.

136 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:55:31pm

re: #102 jorline

Uma

Uma?

You mean as in "Mia Wallace" Uma?

137 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:55:38pm

re: #96 Cato

BTW, I think McCain should choose Michael Steele. THAT would be playing identity politics.

I like the guy, but he couldn't win Maryland (with a high % of African Americans). Playing the race angle is a questionable strategy.

138 kansas  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:55:43pm

Heck at this point he could pick Hillary and it would still be better than Obama.

139 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:55:54pm

re: #94 DocDublU

please pick a woman
please pick a woman
please pick a woman or a black guy
please pick a woman or a black guy

Black transsexual?

140 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:55:56pm

re: #134 Killian Bundy

Gee, if McCain works really hard, maybe he can alienate every constituency he needs to win the election.

/there's still time left

Not true, Killian. He needed the far right to win the nomination.

Now he needs to win the center.

141 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:56:01pm

{reine}

I feel your presence and I feel your dings, but I can't find you.

142 kansas  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:56:43pm

re: #137 Deafdog

I like the guy, but he couldn't win Maryland (with a high % of African Americans). Playing the race angle is a questionable strategy.

Michael Steele is not an African American. He is a conservative Republican.

/sarc

143 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:56:47pm

re: #113 alegrias

* * *
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) of Virginia could be your man then! Kind of young but able.

He's been mentioned as a possibility.
But McCain has the conservative and thinking Jewish vote; Obama has the loony left reflexively Democrat Jewish vote. Lieberman could help with the latter. Could Cantor? Would it matter?

This Jew is voting for McCain no matter his VP pick.

144 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:56:48pm

re: #112 Maximu§

OT

US Army Moves ahead with mobile LASER cannon

This could save lots of soldiers lives in the near future...including my own son.

Not if Obama makes good on his promise to slow development of future weapons systems.

145 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:56:49pm

re: #75 Deafdog

Joe L. will have a spot in the cabinet...not sure that I'd give him Secdef though.

* * *
Lieberman has no military experience, for one thing.

146 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:57:05pm

re: #120 HelloDare

If Obama picks Joe Biden it will be a gaffe fest.

Pleeeeease Obama, pick Biden.

/I still agree with the commenter from yesterday that said "Obama/Biden sounds like a German hemorrhoid cream."

147 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:57:05pm

re: #133 Maui Girl

The McCain campaign is just feeding the masses tidbits of information regarding VP choices to get a feel for how people are reacting (or not reacting). We may end up being very surprised at who he picks.

/keeping fingers crossed

I don't really think this is even coming from the campaign. I think it is just the media spinning a tale to give themselves something to talk about.

148 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:57:39pm

re: #136 Capitalist Tool

Uma?

You mean as in "Mia Wallace" Uma?

Hell no.

/"Beatrice Kiddo" Uma

149 HelloDare  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:57:39pm

Let's hope Obama won't be reading from a teleprompter when he makes his VP choice.

150 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:57:42pm

If McCain only serves one term, the VP is going to have the inside shot in 2012.

151 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:57:46pm

re: #120 HelloDare

If Obama picks Joe Biden it will be a gaffe fest.

Yeah, just get him started about convenience stores and Indians. Oy.

152 JCM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:57:57pm

Late to thread....

This been posted?

RNC: McCain Won’t Choose Abortion-Supporting Running Mate

As speculation grows around who John McCain will select as his vice presidential running mate next week, Republican National Committee officials said Tuesday that McCain is no longer considering former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge.
153 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:58:08pm

If not Mitt, two words: George Allen. Yeah, I know the "macaca" bullshit cost him the election to James "melon-head" Webb. It won't bother the vast majority of republicans, and would alleviate the fears that a lot of conservatives have about McCain.

154 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:58:09pm

re: #112 Maximu§

OT

US Army Moves ahead with mobile LASER cannon

This could save lots of soldiers lives in the near future...including my own son.

This will be more awesome when it can walk instead of roll.

Buy your son a beer for me...and his mates.

155 RTLM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:58:14pm

re: #140 Cognito

Not true, Killian. He needed the far right to win the nomination.

Now he needs to win the center.

McCain IS the "Center". Its MaCain's job to convince the Right that he's not totally in bed with the Dems. A right of center VP pick would help.

156 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:58:18pm

re: #94 DocDublU

please pick a woman
please pick a woman
please pick a woman or a black guy
please pick a woman or a black guy

This gal?

157 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:58:29pm

re: #139 Ward Cleaver

Black transsexual?

This guy? would be a lock!

158 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:58:49pm

re: #144 Capitalist Tool

Not if Obama makes good on his promise to slow development of future weapons systems.

We'll be buying Sherman tanks back from third-world countries. Not good.

159 AnotherRightWingConspirator  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:58:50pm

Palin. She's hot.

160 HBob  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:58:52pm

Bad idea. Lieberman is good on the war and that's all. There's more to the office than that.

161 kansas  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:58:56pm

re: #151 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, just get him started about convenience stores and Indians. Oy.

Even if Obama picks Biden and it is a gaffe fest, the only place we will hear about it is on these radical right wing websites.
/sarc again.

162 right_wing2  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:59:17pm

I'd heard buzz about McCain picking the governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin.

163 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:59:40pm

re: #148 Killian Bundy

That would be Beatrix Kiddo if I'm not mistaken.

164 cygnus  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:59:41pm

re: #27 J.S.

OT

I'm watching the Olympics' synchronized swimming on French CBC...the Spanish team...what an odd assortment (scary) of musical riffs going on there..(It's scarring my birds..)

Scarring or scaring? Or both?

165 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:59:45pm

re: #148 Killian Bundy

Hell no.

/"Beatrice Kiddo" Uma

Now, Bill, I mean Kill...
HahAA

166 Colonel Panik  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:59:46pm
167 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 1:59:46pm

re: #155 RTLM

McCain IS the "Center". Its MaCain's job to convince the Right that he's not totally in bed with the Dems. A right of center VP pick would help.

What about someone not in politics? Like the gal who founded eBay and just retired from that?

168 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:00:04pm

re: #155 RTLM

McCain IS the "Center". Its MaCain's job to convince the Right that he's not totally in bed with the Dems. A right of center VP pick would help.

Again, no. McCain has already done all the convincing of the right that he needs to do. They'll vote for him because he's the only choice. Now he needs to convince the center.

169 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:00:06pm

re: #157 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This guy? would be a lock!

Nah, he's just a transvestite.

/not like i really know

Ron Paul/RuPaul 08!

170 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:00:28pm

re: #114 galloping granny

The Veep isn't really "administration." Essentially they wait around and bang a gavel now and then over at Congress. No power, no authority, no portfolio, no nada.

And they go to funerals of former dignitaries. What would happen if Lieberman, who is Orthodox, was sent to a funeral in Saudi Arabia, and had prayer books with him? It would drive the Saudis nuts. They couldn't refuse or they'd piss of the US, and they'd be polluting their precious holy to Allah sand letting him (and the books) in.

171 Defector01  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:00:59pm

I will say this much - if you really wanted to take Obama's "Hope/Change/New Politics" and shove it back up his.......(use your imagination) then there is NO better candidate then the former Democratic nominee. Not to mention if you wanted to show the world/america that he's the candidate of 'moderation' then yeah Lieberman's the best choice for the job. And because its so close and because the Republicans have pushed so hard for the middle and to paint Obama as a hard left radical, Lieberman makes the most sense. Not to mention (as someone said above) the Jewish vote is seriously wavering for the first time in decades - a jewish candidate might finally push the vote into the Republican column.

But yeah I can't imagine many conservatives or evangelicals really backing McCain if he does such - I'm voting for McCain and I'll be real happy with Lieberman on the ticket (my American Jew side kicking in) but its not the best thing for the party.

172 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:01:00pm

re: #142 kansas

Michael Steele is not an African American. He is a conservative Republican.

/sarc

Again, I like the guy, but it sure would be hard to argue about BHO's inexperience if Mike Steele was on the ticket.

173 Adrenalyn  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:01:08pm

Cindy Garrison gets my vote
but I would settle for Sarah Palin

174 jsk1121  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:01:31pm

re: #110 HelloDare

A transsexual black guy would meet all the criteria.

RuPaul!

175 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:01:34pm

re: #136 Capitalist Tool

Uma?

You mean as in "Mia Wallace" Uma?

David Letterman's ill-fated stint as Oscar host. Neither his live audience nor his television audience found Letterman's now famous Uma-Ophra routine amusing.

176 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:01:34pm

re: #7 galloping granny

He could do worse. Luckily, Tom Ridge is off the table - that is one of the "doing worse" options. Frankly, though, I think the whole thing over both VPs is just PR & hype to keep the enthusiasm level up.

And only the surest, most closely guarded polls of all - the GOP's internals - will tell them whether the peel-off of the base has a good chance of being overcome by the added votes of Obama-shy independents. As far as picking the 'right' candidate, it is the Republican Party that's running, NOT the Conservative party... so I know a lot of us here will be disappointed if they choose to sacrifice principle for power.

For me, it's just No-Bama.

177 kansas  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:01:43pm

re: #172 Deafdog

Again, I like the guy, but it sure would be hard to argue about BHO's inexperience if Mike Steele was on the ticket.

I like Mike Steele a lot.

178 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:01:44pm

re: #160 HBob

Bad idea. Lieberman is good on the war and that's all. There's more to the office than that.

Ole Joe did considerable backpedaling of any of his "construed as conservative" ideas during his VP run with All Gore, if people would remember...

179 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:01:44pm

re: #163 Lizard by the Bay

That would be Beatrix Kiddo if I'm not mistaken.

/right, listed in the credits as "The Bride"

180 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:01:56pm

re: #162 right_wing2

I'd heard buzz about McCain picking the governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin.

Beat you to it, by 6.

181 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:02:09pm

re: #167 galloping granny

What about someone not in politics? Like the gal who founded eBay and just retired from that?

I think that would scare the crap out of everyone, including me.

So McCain kicks over with a heart attack. Meg Whitman ascends to the Presidency, with her finger on the proverbial button but no experience whatsoever in politics or international affairs... Yikes.

182 cygnus  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:02:19pm

re: #98 Capitalist Tool

Oprah!

The thought of that gives me hives.

183 HelloDare  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:02:28pm

When will the Ronald Reagan clone be 35 years old?

184 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:02:32pm

re: #153 Bob in Breckenridge

If not Mitt, two words: George Allen. Yeah, I know the "macaca" bullshit cost him the election to James "melon-head" Webb. It won't bother the vast majority of republicans, and would alleviate the fears that a lot of conservatives have about McCain.

Let me get this straight. McCain is running against Obama, a man with a full deck of race cards to play, and you want to saddle him with a VP who the press will paint as a racist by playing "Macaca" 200 times between now and November, and you think that will help him in the general election? Admit it, you want McCain to lose, don't you.

185 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:02:34pm

re: #120 HelloDare

If Obama picks Joe Biden it will be a gaffe fest.

And if he picks Tim Kaine (who actually said the reason the Russians pulled out of Georgia was because Obama scared them out of there), it will be the least experienced (aka the worst) ticket in US history. So be it Biden or Kaine, we win either way.

186 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:02:36pm

re: #170 Kosh's Shadow

And they go to funerals of former dignitaries. What would happen if Lieberman, who is Orthodox, was sent to a funeral in Saudi Arabia, and had prayer books with him? It would drive the Saudis nuts. They couldn't refuse or they'd piss of the US, and they'd be polluting their precious holy to Allah sand letting him (and the books) in.

That there is reason enough to pick Lieberman - though knowing how we kow-tow to the Magic Kingdom, the President would likely go instead & save the Saudis the embarassment.

And on that note, it's time to say good night!

187 Maui Girl  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:02:46pm

I think Governor Linda Lingle of Hawaii would be an excellent choice. She's economically savvy, persistent when it comes to having to deal with an old boys school mentality, Democrat dominated legislature. And she knows Pidgin!, brah!

188 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:03:00pm

re: #171 Defector01

I will say this much - if you really wanted to take Obama's "Hope/Change/New Politics" and shove it back up his.......(use your imagination) then there is NO better candidate then the former Democratic nominee. Not to mention if you wanted to show the world/america that he's the candidate of 'moderation' then yeah Lieberman's the best choice for the job. And because its so close and because the Republicans have pushed so hard for the middle and to paint Obama as a hard left radical, Lieberman makes the most sense. Not to mention (as someone said above) the Jewish vote is seriously wavering for the first time in decades - a jewish candidate might finally push the vote into the Republican column.

But yeah I can't imagine many conservatives or evangelicals really backing McCain if he does such - I'm voting for McCain and I'll be real happy with Lieberman on the ticket (my American Jew side kicking in) but its not the best thing for the party.

My personal opinion is that this is one election where the good of the party is the very least of anyone's worries.

189 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:03:01pm

re: #170 Kosh's Shadow

And they go to funerals of former dignitaries. What would happen if Lieberman, who is Orthodox, was sent to a funeral in Saudi Arabia, and had prayer books with him? It would drive the Saudis nuts. They couldn't refuse or they'd piss of the US, and they'd be polluting their precious holy to Allah sand letting him (and the books) in.

Guess we'd better pick someone the Saudis approve of, then.

190 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:03:02pm

re: #150 Son of the Black Dog

If McCain only serves one term, the VP is going to have the inside shot in 2012.

Another reason that Romney stepped aside so early in the Primaries. I'm telling ya, it's been a done deal for Months now. Everything else has been just MSM chit-chat and calculated "leaks" from McCain to try to expand his base.

191 jsk1121  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:03:23pm

re: #179 Killian Bundy

/right, listed in the credits as "The Bride"

I prefer Poison Ivy from that crappy Batman incarnation. Hell, even Cosette's mother in Les Miserables works for me.

192 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:03:30pm

BTW - based on the cross tabs from the most recent Quinnipiac poll, it is women that are in Obama's camp that McCain needs to get defections from.

The "security mom" has gone away and now seems to be the "Kos Mom" who drinks, shits and pees the Kool Aide.

Lieberman would get many to take a second look.

As for abortion, in the general election that is one of those issues that the GOP always tries to downplay while the Dems raise money and create panic among women using NARAL et al to send out the "emergency plea" mailings.

Lieberman as VP doesn't get a Supreme Court pick. Doesn't even get consulted. Furthermore, he isn't in the Senate anymore (except in a tie - and he won't vote against a McCain nominee).

Looking at this from a pure political standpoint, it is a winning move.

193 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:03:48pm

re: #175 jorline

David Letterman's ill-fated stint as Oscar host. Neither his live audience nor his television audience found Letterman's now famous Uma-Ophra routine amusing.

Letterman said they came very close to stopping the Oscars altogether.

194 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:03:51pm

re: #153 Bob in Breckenridge

If not Mitt, two words: George Allen. Yeah, I know the "macaca" bullshit cost him the election to James "melon-head" Webb. It won't bother the vast majority of republicans, and would alleviate the fears that a lot of conservatives have about McCain.

If not Mitt, how about Rick Santorum!

195 Defector01  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:04:05pm

re: #187 Maui Girl

Didn't the Hawaiian GOP agree to send money to the Democratic Party for fundraising purposes a few years ago?

196 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:04:05pm

re: #81 Ben Hur

Not really.

But I don't think a Joo on the ticket is an advantage.

* * *
Imagine how it would mess with the Caliphate, however! Splodey all over the place.

197 Catttt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:04:24pm

re: #177 kansas

I like Mike Steele a lot.

He would be an awesome veep pick, as far as I'm concerned.

198 RTLM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:04:42pm

re: #167 galloping granny

What about someone not in politics? Like the gal who founded eBay and just retired from that?

McCain, if he gets elected will likely be a one-termer. He needs a VP pick that has the name recognition and credentials to help get him elected and then run and win in 2012. I think Mitt fits this bill.

The ebay founder lacks the name recognition this close to decision day. Maybe Secretary of Commerce...

199 ShalomMets  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:04:44pm

I would love it, for the same reasons that many here have stated, but don't see it happening. If he wants the same dynamic, but someone more ideologically in the GOP camp, he can choose Eric Cantor, Rep from Virginia, GOP Minority Whip. Young, solid on all the issues Lieberman is solid on, and more mainstream conservative on the issues Lieberman is not solid on.

He lacks the name recognition that the other names bandied about have and is only in the House, not the Senate, which may work against him.

200 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:04:50pm

re: #177 kansas

I like Mike Steele a lot.

So do I, but I cringe when I think of all the Oreo cookies he'll get pelted with, by the moonbats.

201 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:04:53pm

re: #150 Son of the Black Dog

If McCain only serves one term, the VP is going to have the inside shot in 2012.

Like Gore? Like Nixon after Ike? Like Mondale?

VPs rarely get elected to POTUS. Bush got in because Reagan was a phenomenon rarely seen in politics.

202 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:05:02pm

re: #181 Cognito

I think that would scare the crap out of everyone, including me.

So McCain kicks over with a heart attack. Meg Whitman ascends to the Presidency, with her finger on the proverbial button but no experience whatsoever in politics or international affairs... Yikes.

But not quite as scary as having Obama president.

203 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:05:11pm

re: #181 Cognito

I think that would scare the crap out of everyone, including me.

So McCain kicks over with a heart attack. Meg Whitman ascends to the Presidency, with her finger on the proverbial button but no experience whatsoever in politics or international affairs... Yikes.

She has as much experience in things like management and administration as Obama does. And far more expertise.

204 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:05:13pm

re: #194 Deafdog

If not Mitt, how about Rick Santorum!

No, I want Rick on SCOTUS.

205 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:05:13pm

re: #157 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This guy? would be a lock!

Nah, he wouldn't, no, he couldn't, pick anyone prettier than Michelle My Belle.

206 HelloDare  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:05:23pm

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

Steele lost his last election.

207 ShalomMets  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:05:39pm

re: #143 Kosh's Shadow

Me too.

208 Defector01  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:05:58pm

re: #189 Cognito

**** the Saudis and their faith. I would kill to be on that plane to Saudi Arabia for a meeting between Lieberman and the King. I'd even love to see that stupid 'hand-holding' picture - that would cause the whole freakin Muslim world to go nuclear and me I'd laugh until I had a seizure.

If its THIS crucial to prevent an Obama presidency at this point in 'history', then in the words of Al Davis "Just win baby!". And if that means Lieberman, then so be it. He's better then Ridge and he's better then Graham and that's with him remaining a 'democrat'.

209 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:06:09pm

re: #178 Capitalist Tool

Tool...see my #175 for the Uma answer.

210 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:06:43pm

re: #203 galloping granny

She has as much experience in things like management and administration as Obama does. And far more expertise.

Of course, but we weren't comparing her to Obama. Just other VP possibilities.

211 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:06:45pm

re: #185 Bob in Breckenridge

And if he picks Tim Kaine (who actually said the reason the Russians pulled out of Georgia was because Obama scared them out of there), it will be the least experienced (aka the worst) ticket in US history. So be it Biden or Kaine, we win either way.

So who was it anyway, that started all of this 'experience" palaver?
I have "ZERO" political experience and consider that I'd be a president far greater than anything that Obama could muster.
If it weren't for my sordid past.
and present...

212 Catttt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:06:53pm

re: #181 Cognito

I think that would scare the crap out of everyone, including me.

So McCain kicks over with a heart attack. Meg Whitman ascends to the Presidency, with her finger on the proverbial button but no experience whatsoever in politics or international affairs... Yikes.

How can you not trust her? She managed Mr. Potato Head! (i loved my Mr. Potato Head).

213 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:06:54pm
214 alegrias  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:06:55pm

re: #87 Cato

I have friends in low places, namely McCain's driver in one area he has campaigned. He says McCain and Lieberman are as close as they can get, but he thinks that Charlie Crist is more likely. McCain gets along with Crist and he might actually be able to deliver Florida.

* * *
Crist's fake tan just isn't right. Something's not right there. Not a worthy Veep.

215 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:06:59pm

re: #206 HelloDare

Steele lost his last election.

He might be better as GOP chairman.

216 Colonel Panik  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:07:23pm

Sombody needs to come up with a better acronym for the Supreme Court. Every time I read "SCOTUS" I have horrible flashbacks of a certain image on Zombie's website...

217 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:07:27pm

re: #193 debutaunt

Letterman said they came very close to stopping the Oscars altogether.

At least you caught the Uma/Oprah comment. ;)

218 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:07:46pm

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

So do I, but I cringe when I think of all the Oreo cookies he'll get pelted with, by the moonbats.

They are already quite literally threatening to make sure that the streets of America "run red if Obama is denied his POTUS." What's a few cookies?

219 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:08:00pm

re: #168 Cognito

Again, no. McCain has already done all the convincing of the right that he needs to do. They'll vote for him because he's the only choice. Now he needs to convince the center.

The irony of McCain's Saddleback performance is that it creates space for a Lieberman pick.

220 Maui Girl  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:08:01pm

re: #147 galloping granny


Good point. The media is trying (and succeeding somewhat) to influence this election but then, they tried with Bush/Kerry and look what happened. I have faith in the voting intellect of the average American.

221 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:08:16pm

re: #213 ploome hineni

0%

222 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:08:29pm

re: #125 Cognito

Doesn't matter. All those people have the right to pull the lever, just like you and me.

Did I say otherwise?

223 yongoro  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:08:32pm

As much as I'm not especially thrilled with McCain, I figured I'd hold my nose and vote for him. If he picks Lieberman, I'll have to seriously reconsider that decision.

224 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:08:41pm

re: #216 Colonel Panik

Sombody needs to come up with a better acronym for the Supreme Court. Every time I read "SCOTUS" I have horrible flashbacks of a certain image on Zombie's website...

So FDR's attempt to bump the number to 15 was "SCOTUS inflation"?

225 sbvft contributor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:08:41pm

Yes, by all means - let's have someone on the ticket who has supported the killing of 40 million infants in the last 30 years. Given the demographic trends of some of our enemeies, that 40 million less countrymen and women to draw from in any future world wars. 40 million less payers to our future social security obligations. Suicidal stupidity.

226 Defector01  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:08:45pm

re: #213 ploome hineni

At least 40% - and if you factor in the moonbats anti-semetic raving while Lieberman's on the campaign trail, it might shoot past 50%. Lieberman is highly respected in Jewish circles for being the first jewish VP candidate and for being a respectable guy who's tough on the middle east. This isn't Diane Feinstein or Chuck Schmuer who's respect in the community is name only.

227 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:08:56pm
228 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:09:11pm

re: #203 galloping granny

She has as much experience in things like management and administration as Obama does. And far more expertise.

I have a Boy Scout troop with 19 boys in it that have as much experience as Obama does.

;)

229 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:09:41pm

re: #217 jorline

At least you caught the Uma/Oprah comment. ;)

I loved Letterman when Clinton was president.

230 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:10:02pm

re: #204 Ward Cleaver

No, I want Rick on SCOTUS.

That would be good, too.

Rick has all of the characteristics one needs to be VP. He's won two state-wide elections in PA, he's a bona-fide conservative, a great debator, and an attack dog. I guess the Ridge-balloon siphoned all of the oxygen for a PA candidate, but Rick needs to stay on the national radar.

231 Colonel Panik  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:10:02pm

re: #218 galloping granny

They are already quite literally threatening to make sure that the streets of America "run red if Obama is denied his POTUS." What's a few cookies?

re: #224 Ward Cleaver

So FDR's attempt to bump the number to 15 was "SCOTUS inflation"?


I'm glad I'm not drinking anything right now or you'd owe me a new keyboard.

ROFLMAO!

232 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:10:06pm

yougottabefukkinkiddinme.......................... ...............................

233 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:10:27pm

re: #219 karmic_inquisitor

The irony of McCain's Saddleback performance is that it creates space for a Lieberman pick.

Very possibly.

And honestly there's something in the idea -- the unexpectedness of it -- that could deflate Obama's claim to be the hip new thing.

234 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:10:36pm

re: #28 alegrias

* * *
And as I've said before, McCain voted for Gore-Lieberman in 2000.

Arianna Huffington and others called McCain on it, and of course his campaign denied it.

But hey, a maverick is a maverick. And McCain's willing to tell Putin where to go. And Lieberman stood tall in the saddle on Iraq and against jihadists and leftist Koskidz democrats, which is more than you can say for many. Both are tough nuts.

Couldn't agree more...both are mavericks. Hell Lieberman leans more to the right at times than does McCain.

235 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:11:15pm

re: #184 Lizard by the Bay

Let me get this straight. McCain is running against Obama, a man with a full deck of race cards to play, and you want to saddle him with a VP who the press will paint as a racist by playing "Macaca" 200 times between now and November, and you think that will help him in the general election? Admit it, you want McCain to lose, don't you.

The only ones concerned about that are LIBERALS and democrats, who are consumed by race! Let'em play the race card 24/7. They'll regret it.

They'll turn off millions of white voters, especially white males. And it's white male voters who decide elections, and it always has been.

Libs and dems are not going to vote for McCain, anyway. And the vast majority of republicans detest the MSM, and are aware of their bias.

236 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:11:24pm

re: #189 Cognito

Guess we'd better pick someone the Saudis approve of, then.

Actually, I'd like to see the Saudis squirm for a change, instead of making us dance.

237 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:11:29pm

re: #228 karmic_inquisitor

I have a Boy Scout troop with 19 boys in it that have as much experience as Obama does.

;)

Well yes. I was trying to be kind. Truth be told, she would wipe the floor with Obama on a resume with both hands tied behind her back.

238 garycooper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:11:40pm

OT: Not to be missed, Ralph Peters-interview at Frontpagemag today:
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

239 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:11:57pm

re: #14 Ben Hur

The reason Gore lost the South.

As a southerner, I disagree. Gore lost the South because of gun control and the fact he's a gutless liberal moron.

240 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:12:09pm

re: #229 debutaunt

I loved Letterman when Clinton was president.

I use to like him as well..never missed him, but I haven't watched him years now.

241 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:12:11pm

re: #219 karmic_inquisitor

The irony of McCain's Saddleback performance is that it creates space for a Lieberman pick.

McCain was good, but not that good. There is no way in heck that Leiberman will be the pick. It's just a talking "leak" to generate interest. It will be Mitt. Get used to it.

242 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:12:17pm

re: #218 galloping granny

They are already quite literally threatening to make sure that the streets of America "run red if Obama is denied his POTUS." What's a few cookies?

Hopefully they'll kill themselves.

/like in that movie the happening

243 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:12:26pm

re: #233 Cognito

Very possibly.

And honestly there's something in the idea -- the unexpectedness of it -- that could deflate Obama's claim to be the hip new thing.

It would also take every last scrap of the "working across party lines' and "unity" message right out from under Obama's nose.

244 Catttt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:12:30pm

re: #215 Ward Cleaver

He might be better as GOP chairman.

He lost because this is Maryland, home of the yellow-dog democrat.

245 Defector01  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:12:57pm

re: #244 Catttt

Wtf is a yellow dog democrat?

246 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:13:00pm

re: #239 maddogg

As a southerner, I disagree. Gore lost the South because of gun control and the fact he's a gutless liberal moron.

Toss in the fact that he was from Tennessee in name only. He's been a Beltway insider his whole life.

247 Lawrence Schmerel  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:13:03pm

McCain/Lieberman
with the emphasis on the /

248 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:13:03pm

re: #236 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, I'd like to see the Saudis squirm for a change, instead of making us dance.

Yes, I was just being sarcastic.

249 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:13:18pm

re: #228 karmic_inquisitor

I have a Boy Scout troop with 19 boys in it that have as much experience as Obama does.

;)

And they love their country much more than Obama does.

250 HelloDare  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:13:20pm

re: #233 Cognito

Very possibly.

And honestly there's something in the idea -- the unexpectedness of it -- that could deflate Obama's claim to be the hip new thing.

At Saddleback, McCain said that he would have a pro-life administration. He made that pledge. How can you have a pro-life administration if your VP is pro choice?

251 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:13:54pm

re: #218 galloping granny

They are already quite literally threatening to make sure that the streets of America "run red if Obama is denied his POTUS." What's a few cookies?

I predicted blood in the streets following an Obama loss the moment he seemed certain to clinch the Dem nomination. The creepy hero worship, the adulation and devotion of his "followers", his tendency (and the media's) to act like he's already President, it all builds up to a gigantic (and unearned) sense of entitlement that will burst with violence if not fulfilled.

Any non-gun owning lizards who have not bought self protection come November may be wishing they'd planned ahead. God, I hate being alarmist, but I can't help the dread I'm feeling about the days immediately following a McCain win. The left is just too unhinged to accept another loss. And this time they'll whip the urban minorities into a frenzy like never before.

252 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:13:54pm

re: #162 right_wing2

I'd heard buzz about McCain picking the governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin.

Please Please Please

253 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:14:19pm

re: #230 Deafdog

That would be good, too.

Rick has all of the characteristics one needs to be VP. He's won two state-wide elections in PA, he's a bona-fide conservative, a great debator, and an attack dog. I guess the Ridge-balloon siphoned all of the oxygen for a PA candidate, but Rick needs to stay on the national radar.

I lost some respect for Rick when he supported Specter over Toomey in the GOP primary.

254 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:14:31pm

re: #249 Kosh's Shadow

And they love their country much more than Obama does.

And they are under attack from all of Obama's proteges.

255 Colonel Panik  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:14:31pm

re: #113 alegrias

* * *
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) of Virginia could be your man then! Kind of young but able.

I've heard good things about him.

256 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:15:06pm

re: #211 Capitalist Tool

TOOL FOR PRESIDENT!

257 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:15:21pm

re: #250 HelloDare

At Saddleback, McCain said that he would have a pro-life administration. He made that pledge. How can you have a pro-life administration if your VP is pro choice?

Fair point, but the VP does nothing. Unless by some incredibly unlikely twist of fate he is casting a tie-breaking vote in the Senate, and then wouldn't he vote as he is instructed?

258 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:15:21pm

re: #225 sbvft contributor

Yes, by all means - let's have someone on the ticket who has supported the killing of 40 million infants in the last 30 years. Given the demographic trends of some of our enemeies, that 40 million less countrymen and women to draw from in any future world wars. 40 million less payers to our future social security obligations. Suicidal stupidity.

40 million less likely Democrats, by my count. (Women who choose abortion aren't overwhelmingly Christian Conservative, after all.)

259 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:15:23pm

re: #250 HelloDare

At Saddleback, McCain said that he would have a pro-life administration. He made that pledge. How can you have a pro-life administration if your VP is pro choice?

Doesn't matter. The Vice President has no say-so on the appointment of Justices, etc.

260 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:15:33pm

re: #256 MandyManners

get them panties off...

261 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:15:40pm

re: #218 galloping granny

They are already quite literally threatening to make sure that the streets of America "run red if Obama is denied his POTUS."

Okay, again... that was one comment, at one Obama forum thread. I really would not play it up much.

262 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:16:00pm

re: #245 Defector01

Wtf is a yellow dog democrat?

Yellow dog Democrat.

I've had some in my family.

263 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:16:12pm

re: #256 MandyManners

TOOL FOR PRESIDENT!

We've already had LOTS of those.

264 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:16:27pm

re: #250 HelloDare

At Saddleback, McCain said that he would have a pro-life administration. He made that pledge. How can you have a pro-life administration if your VP is pro choice?

The VP doesn't actually do anything. They are rarely even in the same room because of security reasons. The VP has no say in the policies of any of the various agencies, has no vote and no input. If the President is pro-life and the policies of his administration are pro-life, it really does not matter what the private view of the VP is.

We really cannot judge people solely and entirely on the pro-life issue without discarding huge numbers of otherwise excellent people. And running the risk of losing the election because of the other side's fear that their rights will go the way they want out gun rights to go.

265 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:16:47pm

Charles, if you're reading along, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the topic.

266 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:17:00pm

re: #263 Occasional Reader

We've already had LOTS of those.

Especially the 39th one

/big grin

267 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:17:01pm

re: #253 Ward Cleaver

I lost some respect for Rick when he supported Specter over Toomey in the GOP primary.

Rick usually stands on principal, so I could understand that. But he's also a politician. Spector probably did Santorum many favors and the endorsement was owed. Besides, Spector has a better chance at keeping the seat republican (even with his new perm hair-do)

268 HelloDare  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:17:05pm

re: #259 Cognito

Doesn't matter. The Vice President has no say-so on the appointment of Justices, etc.

Ask people here if it matters.

269 RTLM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:17:10pm

re: #168 Cognito

Again, no. McCain has already done all the convincing of the right that he needs to do. They'll vote for him because he's the only choice. Now he needs to convince the center.

Cognito, that is an amazingly tone deaf remark. If McCain picks a "moderate" as VP, the Right will simply stay home and watch a train wreck take place.

270 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:17:16pm

re: #218 galloping granny

They are already quite literally threatening to make sure that the streets of America "run red if Obama is denied his POTUS." What's a few cookies?

I hope to God they mean it. Because I'm pretty sure they are talking mass suicide. No matter how you cut it.

271 Maui Girl  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:17:28pm

re: #195 Defector01

God, I hope not! The Hawaiian GOP wouldn't have the money to send to the Democratic party. If anything, it would be the other way around but don't quote me. I haven't a clue.

272 Catttt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:17:39pm

re: #245 Defector01

Wtf is a yellow dog democrat?

Someone who would vote Dem even if the candidate was a yellow dog.

273 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:17:52pm

re: #260 Capitalist Tool

get them panties off...

WOW...I call shotgun!

274 stanleymberg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:17:55pm

I do think it will be Lieberman.

I predicted this to my wife 3 months ago, so it must be true, right?

McCain-Lieberman - the centrist dream-ticket I always wanted. Pinch me. I'm pretty excited about this possibility.

If you don't think it can happen, think again. Clearly, Joe is McCain's best friend in the US Senate, possibly his best friend period. It can and will happen. Mark my words.

275 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:18:00pm

re: #251 Lizard by the Bay

The left is just too unhinged to accept another loss. And this time they'll whip the urban minorities into a frenzy like never before.

We were saying the same thing in the runup to the 2004 election.

Nothing happened.

Preparedness is always good, etc. But let's not get hysterical here.

276 Miss Molly  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:18:01pm

I just can not see Lieberman as a VP choice. I wonder if he were asked whether he would even accept such a position as he would seem to have a lot more influence in the Senate or a Cabinet post in a McCain administration.

I think it looks like the Republicians have a lot better choices for VP then the Dem have.

277 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:18:11pm
278 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:18:15pm

re: #269 RTLM

Cognito, that is an amazingly tone deaf remark. If McCain picks a "moderate" as VP, the Right will simply stay home and watch a train wreck take place.

No it won't.

279 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:18:19pm

re: #264 galloping granny

The VP doesn't actually do anything. They are rarely even in the same room because of security reasons. The VP has no say in the policies of any of the various agencies, has no vote and no input. If the President is pro-life and the policies of his administration are pro-life, it really does not matter what the private view of the VP is.

We really cannot judge people solely and entirely on the pro-life issue without discarding huge numbers of otherwise excellent people. And running the risk of losing the election because of the other side's fear that their rights will go the way they want out gun rights to go.

But VP is first in line if the prez passes or has to resign due to ill health.

280 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:18:20pm

re: #261 Occasional Reader

Okay, again... that was one comment, at one Obama forum thread. I really would not play it up much.

I've seen similar, if not quite so blatant, comments. I'm not prepared to write off the comment as the work of a single nutcase.

281 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:18:39pm

re: #273 jorline

WOW...I call shotgun!

Mr. VP Nominee!

282 Boxy_brown  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:18:55pm

This isn't going to happen. It will just be seized upon by the self defeating idiots who are willing to elect Obama because of their McCain derangement syndrome.

283 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:19:09pm

re: #233 Cognito

Very possibly.

And honestly there's something in the idea -- the unexpectedness of it -- that could deflate Obama's claim to be the hip new thing.

At this point, I just want to see the whole bag-o-hot-air that the Democrats are selling to get fully deflated. The smugness is oppressive.

The boldness of such a choice has so much appeal, and forces them to come up with a whole new bag of rhetoric. the whole "Washington is broken" and "culture of corruption" and "hope and change" thing just gets completely decimated by such a move.

Both McCain and Lieberman come across as reasonable, principled guys that put the nation first. And they both have so much experience and depth that the choice for the late deciders just becomes so damned obvious.

I am pro-life, but I understand the mechanics of Roe v. Wade which, if overturned (which requires some more conservative justices than currently exist on SCOTUS), simply leaves the decision of legality to each of the 50 states. It isn't like the president decides - the only power the president has over abortion are his SCOTUS picks (which have to get past a Democrat Senate).

284 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:19:24pm
285 ballantrae  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:19:29pm

Very bad idea. If he chooses Lieberman he'll be lucky if he loses. And if he wins, it will be impossible for him to enact decent policy on Iraq without accusations of being a "tool of the JOOOOOS".

-ron

286 yochanan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:19:36pm

re: #142 kansas

Michael Steele is not an African American. He is a conservative Republican.

/sarc

fixed that for you no need for /sarc i like steel but don't think that will happen, by the way i like Joe L. but I don't think that will happen eather, i wish the right wing would stop pissing in there beer.

287 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:19:58pm

re: #282 Boxy_brown

This isn't going to happen. It will just be seized upon by the self defeating idiots who are willing to elect Obama because of their McCain derangement syndrome.

Pretty early for MDS isn't it?

288 Jim D  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:20:15pm

re: #264 galloping granny

The VP can break a tie in the Senate.

289 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:20:20pm

Just a throw out question. Which is less objectionable to Conservatives. Lieberman as VP or on the Supreme Court?

290 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:20:42pm

re: #289 Nevergiveup

Just a throw out question. Which is less objectionable to Conservatives. Lieberman as VP or on the Supreme Court?

VP by far.

291 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:20:49pm

re: #277 taxfreekiller

AP

A solid 20 year dead voter from Chicago just named VP choice for Obama.

"He voted for a Democrat in alphabetic order all these years he should be rewarded."

quote from the O

Was it Jimmy Hoffa?

292 de La Valette  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:21:33pm

It can't be Joe, McCain is going to need every vote he can get in the Senate. No Senators unless from a safe seat with a good replacement.

This also works against Bayh, Webb, etc. on the Democratic side.

The composition of the Senate matters as much as the Presidency for the Pro-Life/Pro-Choice debate.

If Ridge can deliver PA its Ridge
If Guilani can deliver NJ and threaten NY its Guilani
If Portman can deliver Ohio then its Portman
If Pawlenty can deliver MN then its Pawlenty
If Romney can deliver MI & NV & CO then its Romney
If Whitman or Palin can deliver 10% of the HRC women

The VP cannot be a defensive pick, very few people are not going to vote for a candidate based on the VP. This year some of the factors that might cause someone to NOT vote for a candiate are in play: SEX, AGE, RELIGION, and RACE. Usually these are fringe factors - but this year they may all screwup the polls and projections.

293 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:21:33pm

re: #289 Nevergiveup

Just a throw out question. Which is less objectionable to Conservatives. Lieberman as VP or on the Supreme Court?

Either one. I'd still rather see him as SecDef.

294 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:22:06pm

re: #280 galloping granny

I've seen similar, if not quite so blatant, comments. I'm not prepared to write off the comment as the work of a single nutcase.

Obama is adulated by the latte-sipping, Jeanine Garofolo "smart glasses"-wearing crowd.

And they just don't tend to riot all that much. (And if they did... that would be kind of amusing.)

Yes, I'll be keeping an eye on the news on election night, and Mr. Mossberg will never be too far from my mind or reach. But I'm really not expecting anything to happen, even when Obama goes down in flames.

295 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:22:21pm

re: #279 Ward Cleaver

But VP is first in line if the prez passes or has to resign due to ill health.

This is not a common occurence. And Liebermann would do at least as well as almost everyone who has ever had to step up under these circumstances.

296 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:22:22pm

re: #275 Occasional Reader

OR, this is nothing like the 2004 election. Even Democrats knew Kerry was a tool. They only cared about defeating Bush. Obama is, OTOH, the friggin' leftist Messiah. He's the black reincarnation of FDR, come to bestow upon us all the New New Deal and deliver us from the evils of capitalism.

There will be unhingement if he loses, and it will not be pretty (think Rodney King riots, but in virtually every blue state).

297 JohnnyReb  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:22:34pm

I think this is MSM PSYOPS. They are just trying to turn voters away from Senator McCain by speculating that he might pick him. After all the Goracle lost his own state with him on his ticket. They are in the bag for the "ONE", and the "ONE" is doing poorly in the polls despite a 3 to 2 advantage in the press.

Obama should be 15-20 points ahead of McCain at this point, and he ain't. If McCain had the positive rock star press coverage that Obama has, he would be 20+ points ahead.

All of the above is just my opinion.

298 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:22:40pm

re: #281 Capitalist Tool

Mr. VP Nominee!

Me? Screw shotgun, I want to drive.

299 JCM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:22:49pm

re: #245 Defector01

Wtf is a yellow dog democrat?

Some who would vote for a democrat even if they ran a yellow dog for office.

301 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:22:58pm

re: #118 Ward Cleaver

I'd rather see Mitt as VP, and Joe as SecDef.

"W-C" -

Good Call. Pres. Nixon almost did it with Scoop Jackson, to the point he was ready to make the announcement. The Congressional Democrats called Jackson in for a "Come to Jesus" meeting - AND - the deal was off, even with an agreement by the Republican Governor of WA to appoint a Democrat replacement. The appointment of Sen. Lieberman would be an exact parallel, though I don't think Gov. Rell would appoint a Democrat to the empty seat. -S-

302 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:23:13pm

re: #294 Occasional Reader

Jeanine Garofolo? Ick.

303 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:23:54pm

re: #299 JCM

Some who would vote for a democrat even if they ran a yellow dog for office.

Sounds alot like a liberal Jew? Just saying.

FTR: I am jewish

304 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:24:02pm

Thomas Sowell would work for me, much better than Joe, and he is tough as nails.

305 LesLein  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:24:06pm

Lieberman is one of those folks who always (except for Iraq) puts his soul on trial, and then supports the Democratic position. In 2000 he reversed himself on a number of issues, most prominently school vouchers.

Putting Lieberman on the list is a ploy to attract attention and show independents that McCain is reasonable. If he really picked Lieberman the public would treat it as a desperate gimmick. McCain can't afford this kind of mistake.

Speaking of Pat Paulsen, here are some of his quotes:

"All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian."

"I don’t want to say too much about illegal immigration. I’m afraid my views will be reported on the Cinco O’Clock News."

"They wanted to put Carter on Mount Rushmore, but they didn't have room for two more faces."

306 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:24:29pm

Today's Obama halo pic....
Yahoo pic

307 de La Valette  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:24:41pm

re: #153 Bob in Breckenridge

Allen and Tom Davis are both in play if Warner, Kaine, or Webb jump up a level.

At a minimum both with get Cabinet shots - my bet is Tom Davis as OMB Director.

308 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:24:46pm

re: #294 Occasional Reader

For a second there I thought maybe you have enormous faith in Walt Mossberg.

309 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:24:46pm

re: #296 Lizard by the Bay

(think Rodney King riots, but in virtually every blue state).

Not gonna happen.

Inner-city homeboys just don't give a shit about Obama.

310 yochanan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:24:47pm

re: #234 jorline

joe lieberman is a scoop jackson democrat frankly i liked scoop jackson. in the old days there was a center.

311 Defector01  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:25:07pm

re: #303 Nevergiveup

i AM too and frankly i think the vote is more in play then ever before, especially with lieberman on the republican ticket

312 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:25:09pm

re: #304 maddogg

Thomas Sowell would work for me, much better than Joe, and he is tough as nails.

Now Thomas Sowell would be too perfect of a candidate.
We'll probably never see such a thing in our lifetimes.

313 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:25:14pm

re: #285 ballantrae

Very bad idea. If he chooses Lieberman he'll be lucky if he loses. And if he wins, it will be impossible for him to enact decent policy on Iraq without accusations of being a "tool of the JOOOOOS".

-ron

We're already that as far as 99% of the Middle East is concerned. Leiberman changes things... how?

314 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:25:14pm

re: #301 Dr. Shalit

"W-C" -

Good Call. Pres. Nixon almost did it with Scoop Jackson, to the point he was ready to make the announcement. The Congressional Democrats called Jackson in for a "Come to Jesus" meeting - AND - the deal was off, even with an agreement by the Republican Governor of WA to appoint a Democrat replacement. The appointment of Sen. Lieberman would be an exact parallel, though I don't think Gov. Rell would appoint a Democrat to the empty seat. -S-

The Dems and Joe have burned plenty of bridges with each other already, so McCain wouldn't have the Scoop Jackson problem.

315 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:25:29pm

re: #285 ballantrae

Very bad idea. If he chooses Lieberman he'll be lucky if he loses. And if he wins, it will be impossible for him to enact decent policy on Iraq without accusations of being a "tool of the JOOOOOS".

-ron

I think you're wrong there. There are far more independents, really discontented democrats and middle of the road republicans than there are ultra conservative republicans that would vote a single issue or stay home for the most important election in a century.

Liebermann has a very strong following. When the Dem powers that be threw him under the bus in his last election, he ran anyway as an independent and wiped the floor with the Democrat candidate.

316 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:25:37pm

re: #274 stanleymberg


Ain't gonna happen.

Bettin on Mitt on the ticket is money in the bank.

317 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:25:57pm

re: #297 JohnnyReb

I think this is MSM PSYOPS. They are just trying to turn voters away from Senator McCain by speculating that he might pick him. After all the Goracle lost his own state with him on his ticket. They are in the bag for the "ONE", and the "ONE" is doing poorly in the polls despite a 3 to 2 advantage in the press.

Obama should be 15-20 points ahead of McCain at this point, and he ain't. If McCain had the positive rock star press coverage that Obama has, he would be 20+ points ahead.

All of the above is just my opinion.

AlBore lost because of himself, not because of Joe Liebermann.

318 yochanan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:26:08pm

re: #292 de La Valette

i am inclined to agree.

319 Cognito  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:26:42pm

re: #304 maddogg

Thomas Sowell would work for me, much better than Joe, and he is tough as nails.

Yes indeed. But honestly I wonder if he's just too darned smart for political office.

Man. That's sad.

320 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:26:43pm

re: #308 Cognito

For a second there I thought maybe you have enormous faith in Walt Mossberg.

I like him, too. But I don't count on him for riot control.

321 Macker  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:26:47pm

re: #288 Jim D

The VP can break a tie in the Senate.

And it was Algore's vote which allowed the massive tax increase in 1993.

322 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:27:08pm

re: #315 galloping granny

Liebermann has a very strong following. When the Dem powers that be threw him under the bus in his last election, he ran anyway as an independent and wiped the floor with the Democrat candidate.

In Connecticut. His following is much, much, much less in the Midwest, the South, or the West. And, this year, it will be in the Midwest where the election is won or lost: Michigan, Minnesota, Indiana, and Ohio.

323 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:27:08pm

re: #279 Ward Cleaver

But VP is first in line if the prez passes or has to resign due to ill health.


Exactly! If the oldest candidate in history were to select someone from outside of his party on the ticket he would piss off everyone who's support he needs to govern. It just is not going to happen.

324 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:27:10pm

re: #309 Occasional Reader

Not gonna happen.

Inner-city homeboys just don't give a shit about Obama.

Nope, just the dope-smoking moonbats, and maybe the anarchists.

325 Catttt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:27:12pm

re: #304 maddogg

Thomas Sowell would work for me, much better than Joe, and he is tough as nails.

Oh, wow. He'd be awesome.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems most of the Dem possible veep choices suck. On the other hand, the Republican possibles are -- much better.

326 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:27:29pm

re: #314 Ward Cleaver

The Dems and Joe have burned plenty of bridges with each other already, so McCain wouldn't have the Scoop Jackson problem.

And the dems have already thrown Liebermann under the bus. That is why he is an independent these days. There is no "come to Jesus" meeting to be had.

327 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:27:31pm

McCain is enough of a centrist in his own right to pull moderates and independents. We don't need another one on the ticket. What we do need on the ticket is someone who can bring some balance, maybe some executive experience, some fiscal knowledge. I like the idea of Mitt.

328 Jim D  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:27:39pm

re: #312 Capitalist Tool

Now Thomas Sowell would be too perfect of a candidate.
We'll probably never see such a thing in our lifetimes.

Yeah. A candidate that understands economics? Don't count on it.

329 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:28:17pm

Obama spotted with Sikh woman, but still no Muslims allowed....
Yahoo pic

330 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:28:19pm

re: #311 Defector01

i AM too and frankly i think the vote is more in play then ever before, especially with lieberman on the republican ticket

I don't think it will be Lieberman, but I do think McCain has a chance to get near 50% of the Jewish vote. But to do that all us "Normal" Jews have to get the message out to our firiends, family, and associates what is at stake. Don'[t be silent and don't be worried about offending anyone. Open your mouths!

331 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:28:24pm

re: #303 Nevergiveup

No shit?

332 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:28:30pm

re: #310 yochanan

joe lieberman is a scoop jackson democrat frankly i liked scoop jackson. in the old days there was a center.

Verses the modern day floating center? I remember Scoop Jackson, but I don't remember anything specific...mind fog college days.

333 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:28:42pm

re: #325 Catttt

Oh, wow. He'd be awesome.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems most of the Dem possible veep choices suck. On the other hand, the Republican possibles are -- much better.

I'd love for Sowell to be on the ticket, not in the least because it would shore up McCain on economics.

334 blastforth  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:29:31pm

Lincoln picked a maverick democrat for his running mate in 1864. Probably helped him win but it didn't work out so well in the long run.

335 Jim D  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:29:48pm

Sowell and Bolton... that would be fun.

336 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:30:12pm

re: #309 Occasional Reader

Not gonna happen.

Inner-city homeboys just don't give a shit about Obama.

Sorry, but I've never seen inner city homeboys pass up the chance to do widespread damage on a flimsy excuse with the knowledge that no one will be punished for it later. All it really takes is a good football loss. Sorry if this sounds racist, I'm just basing it on what I've personally witnessed.

337 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:30:17pm

re: #333 Occasional Reader

I'd love for Sowell to be on the ticket, not in the least because it would shore up McCain on economics.

Romney's a successful businessman, so that's economic bona fides.

338 white rabbit  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:30:19pm

This is good strategy.

Right-of-center voters are going to vote McCain almost regardless of what he does. The key to winning is picking up middle and left-of-center voters. Putting a Democrat (for all intents and purposes) on the ticket as his running mate will only help in that regard.

And I personally don't dislike Lieberman.

I'm pro-life, but conservatives need to get off the pro-life/pro-choice crap. Abortion is not going ANYWHERE. Anyone who thinks it is is living in a fantasy land. So, it's really kind of silly to base your vote on that. I was a Giuliani supporter, for example.

339 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:30:27pm

re: #269 RTLM

Cognito, that is an amazingly tone deaf remark. If McCain picks a "moderate" as VP, the Right will simply stay home and watch a train wreck take place.

Why stay home when it is the president that makes the supreme court pick?

If anything, on abortion, a Lieberman pick increases the odds of overturning Roe.

First - Governor Jodi Rell of Connecticut is a Republican. She will replace Lieberman with a Republican.

Second - Lieberman increases the odds of McCain getting elected dramatically as long as we show up.

If you show up an vote for McCain you get a twofer - a pro life president (instead of a guy who "admires" Ginsberg) making conservative picks, and another Republican added to the Senate while Harry Reid loses a vote.

If you don't show up, Reid keeps his vote from Connecticut and president Obama packs the court with ACLU attorneys.

Easy choice.

340 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:30:30pm

re: #187 Maui Girl

I think Governor Linda Lingle of Hawaii would be an excellent choice. She's economically savvy, persistent when it comes to having to deal with an old boys school mentality, Democrat dominated legislature. And she knows Pidgin!, brah!

"M-G" -

You are correct. She is also Jewish, Divorced and Gay - Whoever said the Republican Party wasn't inclusive. Seriously, though, wouldn't nominating Gov. Palin accomplish the same thing without the extra baggage?

-S-

341 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:30:32pm

re: #45 galloping granny

He is an absolute disaster on the economy. Made one hell of a mess out of Massachusetts.

Methinks gg has been paying too much attention to the Boston Globe.

Don't blame me, I voted for Muffy.

342 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:30:40pm

re: #334 blastforth

Lincoln picked a maverick democrat for his running mate in 1864. Probably helped him win but it didn't work out so well in the long run.

No, it didn't. His VP that time around became President, and became impeached. Andrew Johnson was almost removed from office.

343 JCM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:30:45pm

re: #303 Nevergiveup

Sounds alot like a liberal Jew? Just saying.

FTR: I am jewish

That's one I always scratch my head over.

The other one is liberal Christians, especially those activist progressive churches.

FTR: I'm Christian. Bitter Clingy and proud of it. (now there's a bumper sticker!)

344 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:31:12pm

re: #312 Capitalist Tool

Agreed. Besides, Sowell is just too damn smart to want a dead-end government job.

345 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:31:30pm

re: #336 Lizard by the Bay

Sorry, but I've never seen inner city homeboys pass up the chance to do widespread damage on a flimsy excuse with the knowledge that no one will be punished for it later. All it really takes is a good football loss. Sorry if this sounds racist, I'm just basing it on what I've personally witnessed.

Ah, but it would only last a couple of nights, tops.

346 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:31:56pm

re: #327 Sharmuta

McCain is enough of a centrist in his own right to pull moderates and independents. We don't need another one on the ticket. What we do need on the ticket is someone who can bring some balance, maybe some executive experience, some fiscal knowledge. I like the idea of Mitt.

I have to agree Sharm, but you know he'll lose the Huckabee crowd. I don't know who the Huckabee crowd would like but Huckabee.

347 JCM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:31:58pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Obama spotted with Sikh woman, but still no Muslims allowed....
Yahoo pic

I know several Sikhs, they're as right wing as I am!

348 Darwin Akbar  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:32:10pm

Choosing Lieberman would make very little sense. His overall voting record is very liberal (didn't he vote against Alito and Robert?). Moreover, if McCain is elected w/out Lieberman on the ticket, it is better to have Lieberman - a McCain ally and Democrat - in the Senate.

I don't believe that Lieberman will help McCain with the Jewish vote, as I believe that the number of Jews who will vote Republican will be almost as high as in 1980 and 1984, at least here in Florida.

349 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:32:11pm

re: #340 Dr. Shalit

"M-G" -

You are correct. She is also Jewish, Divorced and Gay - Whoever said the Republican Party wasn't inclusive. Seriously, though, wouldn't nominating Gov. Palin accomplish the same thing without the extra baggage?

-S-

Jesus- Jewish, Divorced and Gay - it's still only 2008 lets not get carried away now!

350 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:32:18pm

re: #330 Nevergiveup

I don't think it will be Lieberman, but I do think McCain has a chance to get near 50% of the Jewish vote. But to do that all us "Normal" Jews have to get the message out to our firiends, family, and associates what is at stake. Don'[t be silent and don't be worried about offending anyone. Open your mouths!

That's why this Joe L. balloon is being floted. There is no serious way that it will happen. But by putting the talk in play all the Jewish Community know that Joe L. is with McCain and they will help to pry them away from their automatic democratic vote.

351 de La Valette  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:32:27pm

re: #339 karmic_inquisitor

I believe that is only until the next election can be held. At which time, -1 in the Senate.

352 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:32:31pm

re: #304 maddogg

Thomas Sowell would work for me, much better than Joe, and he is tough as nails.

From your link:

Thomas Sowell was born in North Carolina, where, as recounted in his autobiography, A Personal Odyssey, his encounters with white people were so limited that he didn't believe that "yellow" was a possible color for human hair

Heh. Reminds me of my early childhood, when I was under the impression that everyone was either Catholic, Jewish, or black. (I dimly understood that black people tended to be something called "Protestant", which was, well, about Jesus, but not the way we Catholics did it.)

353 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:32:36pm

If McCain has a Black VP candidate, the left will scream that he's only being chosen because of his skin color - "He never would have done it if Barack wasn't running!"

Of course the irony would be lost on them.

354 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:32:57pm

re: #342 Honorary Yooper

No, it didn't. His VP that time around became President, and became impeached. Andrew Johnson was almost removed from office.

If it hadn't been for that guy that came in from his sickbed...

355 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:33:06pm

re: #346 jorline

I have to agree Sharm, but you know he'll lose the Huckabee crowd. I don't know who the Huckabee crowd would like but Huckabee.

The Huckabee crowd; however, is much smaller than the HRC crowd. If both stay home, McCain wins.

356 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:33:36pm

I respect Lieberman, but McCain needs to pick someone else.

357 talon_262  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:33:56pm

re: #14 Ben Hur

The reason Gore lost the South.

No, one of the biggest reasons Gore lost the South is that he's a self-absorbed moron...

358 bosforus  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:34:07pm

re: #256 MandyManners

TOOL FOR PRESIDENT!

Isn't that how it usually works anyway?

359 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:34:08pm

re: #333 Occasional Reader

I'd love for Sowell to be on the ticket, not in the least because it would shore up McCain on economics.


You can't be serious. Sowell's a columnist! That's not a qualification to govern! I like Sowell's writing, but it would be hard to argue BHO's inexperience if you put Sowell on the ticket.

360 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:34:31pm

re: #346 jorline

I have to agree Sharm, but you know he'll lose the Huckabee crowd. I don't know who the Huckabee crowd would like but Huckabee.

They're already thinking of not voting for McCain, so should we really care what they think? I'd think the MN Governor would be a good pick too, but I don't know if the press would give him much of a pass on the bridge collapse- he could be more of a liability than he's worth. Regardless- there are plenty of choices for VP without picking another moderate.

361 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:34:48pm

re: #357 talon_262

No, one of the biggest reasons Gore lost the South is that he's a self-absorbed moron...

And he had little real connection to the South.

/the senator from st alban's

362 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:34:51pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Obama spotted with Sikh woman, but still no Muslims allowed....
Yahoo pic

When Obama is President, he will heal the Sikh.

363 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:35:12pm

re: #355 Honorary Yooper

Hey, Yoop! We never see you in the lounge anymore.....

364 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:35:15pm

re: #345 Ward Cleaver

Agreed. It would burn out quick, which is why I said I'd be concerned about the days immediately following a McCain win. But there's another good reason to buy a gun soon if you haven't yet: If Obama wins, you may not get the chance to again.

365 de La Valette  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:35:20pm

re: #351 de La Valette

Correction, the replacement would serve until next congressional cycle (2years)

366 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:35:30pm

re: #362 Occasional Reader

When Obama is President, he will heal the Sikh.

That pun is an Obamanation.

367 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:35:32pm

BBL

Remember, Baruch has a greater legal mind, and more experience than Clarence Thomas.

368 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:35:35pm

re: #355 Honorary Yooper

The Huckabee crowd; however, is much smaller than the HRC crowd. If both stay home, McCain wins.

True, but still feel McCain will pull some of the HRC crowd...they couldn't stomach voting for Obama.

369 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:35:41pm

Somehow I don't think Joe is going to carry Connecticut for McCain, or any other liberal state, so making him VP is just plain stoopid.

Joe is a liberal, and people tend to forget that.

370 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:35:41pm

re: #359 Deafdog

You can't be serious. Sowell's a columnist! That's not a qualification to govern! I like Sowell's writing, but it would be hard to argue BHO's inexperience if you put Sowell on the ticket.

True.

Sowell for Treasury secretary?

371 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:36:06pm

re: #368 jorline

A lot of people on her forums are saying outright they're voting for McCain.

372 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:36:20pm

re: #363 Sharmuta

Hey, Yoop! We never see you in the lounge anymore.....

Sorry, I'm a little busier Friday and Saturday nights than I used to be. Friday, I learning how to ballroom dance, and Saturday, well, let's just say that I'm finally seeing someone. :-)

373 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:36:28pm

re: #356 FrogMarch

I respect Lieberman, but McCain needs to pick someone else.

They would make a good cop / bad cop team however.

374 Red Cloud  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:36:29pm

When it comes to potential VPs, we could do a lot worse than Lieberman. I know he's pretty much wrong 80% of the time, but there are worse options out there. For instance, Tom Ridge. Holy milquetoast reasonless pick, Batman.

We could also do so much better than Lieberman, though. I can name 6 or 7 people off the top of my head who I'd be ecstatic with on the bottom of the ticket.

375 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:37:03pm

re: #353 Ben Hur

If McCain has a Black VP candidate, the left will scream that he's only being chosen because of his skin color - "He never would have done it if Barack wasn't running!"

And you just know that Ted Rall and Jeff Danziger already have preliminary sketches of their new "house n****r" cartoons ready to roll out.

A black Republican VP would have to have superhumanly thick skin.

376 ladycatnip  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:37:15pm

heh. This is who I suggested be vp in a post long ago, simply to cause the dems cardiac arrest.

I happen to be pro-life and would have no problem with Lieberman because neither he nor McCain have the ability or power to overturn Roe v. Wade. The only sticky point would be the supremes chosen by McCain, as I highly doubt he's really pro-life. In fact, I was surprised at his answer to that at Saddleback and thought he was just pandering to the evangelical crowd. He's got my vote regardless.

Hopefully whomever McCain chooses as vp will be stellar. Let's hope it's not another "there they go shooting themselves in the foot" moment that republicans are so well known for doing.

377 JohnnyReb  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:37:39pm

re: #317 galloping granny

Not sure if your from Tennessee, but thats what my family there said when we went for the family reunion in 2001 after the election. They would have voted for Gore if he had not picked Lieberman. I have family spread out all over TN, and most of them said the same thing. And yes, they would also never vote for a woman or a black man.

378 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:37:41pm

re: #372 Honorary Yooper

Sorry, I'm a little busier Friday and Saturday nights than I used to be. Friday, I learning how to ballroom dance, and Saturday, well, let's just say that I'm finally seeing someone. :-)

So does that mean you have better things to do on Friday night than get drunk and peck at a keyboard? :)

379 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:37:53pm

re: #372 Honorary Yooper

OooooOOOooo! Good for you, my friend. I'm happy for you.

But- you are missed.

380 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:37:53pm

re: #370 Ward Cleaver

True.

Sowell for Treasury secretary?

Save Sowell as the legal adminstrator for the NYT once they decare BK - in about 3 years.

381 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:38:06pm

re: #378 maddogg

LOL!

382 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:38:15pm

re: #351 de La Valette

I believe that is only until the next election can be held. At which time, -1 in the Senate.

Incumbency is a powerful thing. And that seat has 4 years on the clock (remember Ned "mentos" La Mont?)

383 SagamoreGal  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:38:44pm

I was not living in Penna during Ridge's governship,but my Republican pals here in Central Penna do not like him/would be turned away from McCain with Ridge on the ticket. Ridge is receiving terrible PR throughout the state because our electricity rates are about to go through the roof due to the de-regulation programs Ridge pushed towards the end of his tenure.

If McCain wants to try to steal PA away from The One, he should avoid Ridge.

384 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:38:54pm

re: #359 Deafdog

You can't be serious. Sowell's a columnist! That's not a qualification to govern! I like Sowell's writing, but it would be hard to argue BHO's inexperience if you put Sowell on the ticket.

He's also an economist. You are correct, though, that he has no real government experience. Good point, of course.

385 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:39:15pm

re: #369 maddogg

Somehow I don't think Joe is going to carry Connecticut for McCain, or any other liberal state, so making him VP is just plain stoopid.

Joe is a liberal, and people tend to forget that.

But the state didn't vote in the far left Kos candidate over Joe in '06, so maybe there is some hope for McCain over the Obamessiah there.

386 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:40:06pm

re: #383 SagamoreGal

I was not living in Penna during Ridge's governship,but my Republican pals here in Central Penna do not like him/would be turned away from McCain with Ridge on the ticket. Ridge is receiving terrible PR throughout the state because our electricity rates are about to go through the roof due to the de-regulation programs Ridge pushed towards the end of his tenure.

If McCain wants to try to steal PA away from The One, he should avoid Ridge.

Deregulation has really screwed us here in Texas as well. But, the genie's out of the bottle, and I don't see it going back.

387 Red Cloud  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:40:13pm

I do have to say, though, that the agony and hand-wringing on the Left over a Lieberman pick would be classic. Almost worth the price of admission.

388 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:40:23pm

re: #139 Ward Cleaver

Black transsexual?

Ru Paul!

389 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:40:27pm

re: #384 Occasional Reader

He's also an economist. You are correct, though, that he has no real government experience. Good point, of course.

Now there's an oxymoron.

390 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:40:27pm

re: #370 Ward Cleaver

True.

Sowell for Treasury secretary?

Now there's a thought.

391 Macker  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:40:35pm

re: #382 karmic_inquisitor

Incumbency is a powerful thing. And that seat has 4 years on the clock (remember Ned "mentos" La Mont?)

AH! What an ad!

392 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:40:36pm

re: #374 Red Cloud

When it comes to potential VPs, we could do a lot worse than Lieberman. I know he's pretty much wrong 80% of the time, but there are worse options out there. For instance, Tom Ridge. Holy milquetoast reasonless pick, Batman.

We could also do so much better than Lieberman, though. I can name 6 or 7 people off the top of my head who I'd be ecstatic with on the bottom of the ticket.


I disagree Leiberman as VP would a disaster pick because it would be a betrayal to the party. If MAC is willing to betray the party now, he would betray us all in the SCOTUS nominations.

If he picks Joe L., I'll think about staying home.

393 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:40:51pm

re: #388 anotherindyfilmguy

Ru Paul!

Isn't he just TV, not TS?

394 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:41:02pm

Candidates have a tendency to take someone from out of left field. So I am still hoping for Sarah Palin of Alaska.

395 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:41:12pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

They're already thinking of not voting for McCain, so should we really care what they think? I'd think the MN Governor would be a good pick too, but I don't know if the press would give him much of a pass on the bridge collapse- he could be more of a liability than he's worth. Regardless- there are plenty of choices for VP without picking another moderate.

I don't think the bridge collapse would be an issue...that's reaching and would piss off a lot of people in MN...another words a cheap shot. My problem with him is name recognition...how many people outside of MN know anything about him? Good Governor, but all he could deliver would be MN. Correct me if I'm wrong.

396 the Termlimator  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:41:13pm

Great John, lets crap in our own nest.

397 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:41:15pm

re: #377 JohnnyReb

Not sure if your from Tennessee, but thats what my family there said when we went for the family reunion in 2001 after the election. They would have voted for Gore if he had not picked Lieberman. I have family spread out all over TN, and most of them said the same thing. And yes, they would also never vote for a woman or a black man.

Guess a lot of them won't vote this time around then, will they?

/My southern family is from Carolina.

398 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:41:42pm

re: #385 runrabbitrun

But the state didn't vote in the far left Kos candidate over Joe in '06, so maybe there is some hope for McCain over the Obamessiah there.

Nope, Connecticut is very firmly in the Obama camp, double digit lead in the poles, forget it.

399 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:41:49pm

re: #389 OldLineTexan

Now there's an oxymoron.

Left the door open for that, I did.

That said... for a prez or VP, I'd be more partial to someone with executive or command experience, which could include in the government. Governor would be good. Senator is not my first choice, but that's what we've got.

400 talon_262  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:41:49pm

re: #339 karmic_inquisitor

Why stay home when it is the president that makes the supreme court pick?

If anything, on abortion, a Lieberman pick increases the odds of overturning Roe.

First - Governor Jodi Rell of Connecticut is a Republican. She will replace Lieberman with a Republican.

Second - Lieberman increases the odds of McCain getting elected dramatically as long as we show up.

If you show up an vote for McCain you get a twofer - a pro life president (instead of a guy who "admires" Ginsberg) making conservative picks, and another Republican added to the Senate while Harry Reid loses a vote.

If you don't show up, Reid keeps his vote from Connecticut and president Obama packs the court with ACLU attorneys.

Easy choice.

I certainly admire Lieberman, his stance on the GWOT, and how he stuck it to the DNC and got reelected, but disagree with many of his social positions. That said, I certainly don't hold the view of many here that Lieberman as VP would be a disaster for the Republican Party as we know it; on the contrary, I think McCain and Lieberman are a good fit and, frankly, we could do a helluva lot worse (like giving the election to NObama and his cronies just because the candidates aren't "pure" enough for us conservatives).

401 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:42:05pm

re: #392 Deafdog

I disagree Leiberman as VP would a disaster pick because it would be a betrayal to the party. If MAC is willing to betray the party now, he would betray us all in the SCOTUS nominations.

If he picks Joe L., I'll think about staying home.

Please don't say that.

402 talon_262  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:42:09pm

re: #361 Ward Cleaver

And he had little real connection to the South.

/the senator from st alban's

True dat...

403 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:42:12pm

re: #386 Ward Cleaver

Deregulation has really screwed us here in Texas as well. But, the genie's out of the bottle, and I don't see it going back.

No, it's just too danged profitable, plus all the gummint money will be going into T. Boone Picken's boondoggle scam Treasury-looting wind power.

404 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:42:20pm

re: #376 ladycatnip

The only sticky point would be the supremes chosen by McCain, as I highly doubt he's really pro-life.

He is pro-life. He also knows that the Rick Santorum grandstanding tactics have no effect on abortion - SCOTUS picks do.

Santorum started the whole "I hate McCain because he is a secret baby killer" club. Santorum lost his seat because he wasn't paying attention to bread and butter issues that get Senator's re-elected vs getting time on the talk radio circuit.

405 Red Cloud  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:42:30pm

re: #392 Deafdog

No offense, but wasn't McCain's nomination considered a "betrayal to the party" back in February?

406 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:42:43pm

Polls, crap.

407 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:42:51pm

re: #393 Ward Cleaver

Isn't he just TV, not TS?

You brought the question up; so you go look.

408 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:42:59pm

re: #383 SagamoreGal

I was not living in Penna during Ridge's governship,but my Republican pals here in Central Penna do not like him/would be turned away from McCain with Ridge on the ticket. Ridge is receiving terrible PR throughout the state because our electricity rates are about to go through the roof due to the de-regulation programs Ridge pushed towards the end of his tenure.

If McCain wants to try to steal PA away from The One, he should avoid Ridge.

Good info. Thanks.

409 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:43:32pm

re: #371 Sharmuta

A lot of people on her forums are saying outright they're voting for McCain.

I agree. I think McCain will pull a lot of HRC voters. How would he fair with the female HRC supporters?

410 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:44:07pm

re: #392 Deafdog

I disagree Leiberman as VP would a disaster pick because it would be a betrayal to the party. If MAC is willing to betray the party now, he would betray us all in the SCOTUS nominations.

If he picks Joe L., I'll think about staying home.

What on earth is with you people over "the party?" What the heck ever happened to "the country?" This is exactly why we get so many absolute crap politicians. "I'll vote for him because my union (pastor, interest group) said to." Assinine.

411 Red Cloud  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:44:47pm

re: #395 jorline

I don't think the bridge collapse would be an issue...that's reaching and would piss off a lot of people in MN...another words a cheap shot. My problem with him is name recognition...how many people outside of MN know anything about him? Good Governor, but all he could deliver would be MN. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The theory on Pawlenty is that he would help out in MN, WI, and IA - that would be two pickups and an important hold if he could deliver all three.

I've been living in MN for 3 years and I'm pretty high on Pawlenty, but I'm not convinced that this isn't a little too optimistic.

412 JohnnyReb  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:44:51pm

re: #385 runrabbitrun

But the state didn't vote in the far left Kos candidate over Joe in '06, so maybe there is some hope for McCain over the Obamessiah there.


Lieberman won here in CT because of name recognition. Ned Lamont was a rich business man from Greenwich. Most people in the state dislike people from there. We refer to Greenwich as part of New York. Oh and Rosie O'Donnell lives there too.

413 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:45:09pm

McCain could also strike a note of Diversity With Strength by choosing as his running mate a gay Asian man with command experience.

414 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:45:28pm

re: #251 Lizard by the Bay

Or right after the dem convention if shrillary "steals the nomination"...
Not saying she actually will... although I think she'll try barring a good payoff from Obamassieh...

415 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:45:33pm

re: #395 jorline

MN polling numbers.

416 ointmentfly  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:46:11pm

I'm starting to wish the Cheney / Satan '08 bumper stickers were a reality..... Why does the GOP have such LAME candidates? In 2000, I thought GWB was a lame choice and now, here we go again with McCain. I guess they don't want somebody as eloquent as Romney making McCain look like the dolt that he is for 4 years.

417 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:46:12pm

re: #326 galloping granny

And the dems have already thrown Liebermann under the bus. That is why he is an independent these days. There is no "come to Jesus" meeting to be had.

Besides, I don't see Lieberman converting, so it would have to be "Come to Moses".

418 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:46:18pm

re: #404 karmic_inquisitor

He is pro-life. He also knows that the Rick Santorum grandstanding tactics have no effect on abortion - SCOTUS picks do.

Santorum started the whole "I hate McCain because he is a secret baby killer" club. Santorum lost his seat because he wasn't paying attention to bread and butter issues that get Senator's re-elected vs getting time on the talk radio circuit.

Besides which, if you doubt his position on abortion, you can easily check both his voting record going back years and his NARAL rating.

419 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:46:23pm

re: #409 jorline

I agree. I think McCain will pull a lot of HRC voters. How would he fair with the female HRC supporters?

I think it's the females who already are going for Mccain. Security mom types, I'm guessing.

420 Catttt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:46:24pm

re: #336 Lizard by the Bay

Sorry, but I've never seen inner city homeboys pass up the chance to do widespread damage on a flimsy excuse with the knowledge that no one will be punished for it later. All it really takes is a good football loss. Sorry if this sounds racist, I'm just basing it on what I've personally witnessed.

Not in my city. There hasn't been a riot here in a loooooong time. 1968, to be exact - when Rep. Pelosi's brother was mayor.

Keep in mind that black people are much more fully represented in the government and in business now than then. For example, the mayor today is Sheila Dixon, who is a very savvy person and politician (and you don't want to get on her bad side).

421 talon_262  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:46:51pm

re: #410 galloping granny

What on earth is with you people over "the party?" What the heck ever happened to "the country?" This is exactly why we get so many absolute crap politicians. "I'll vote for him because my union (pastor, interest group) said to." Assinine.

Amen, GG...we want to pick the best people for the situation at hand, not dogmatically stick to some ideological party purity. Sure, I would love to see McCain take a rock-ribbed conservative Republican as VP, but given Lieberman's stance on the GWOT, we could do a helluva lot worse.

422 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:47:21pm

re: #400 talon_262

we could do a helluva lot worse (like giving the election to NObama and his cronies just because the candidates aren't "pure" enough for us conservatives).

I am not sure when and where the purity test came in, but it wasn't something Reagan used. The Big Tent was big back then, and you had pro-choice Republicans in a lot of places. Just the same, those pro-choice Republicans supported a pro-life platform. McCain will have a pro-life platform and Lieberman will obviously have to support it. Don't know why so many feel inclined to "purge" the party on the issue.

423 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:47:24pm

re: #401 Nevergiveup

I would think about it. BHO is making my skin crawl whenever he, um, um, um, speaks. So I would be 95% likely to hold my nose and do what needed to be done. But it would stink....and forget about any contributions! Suppose something happened to Mac? Joe L. as president? That would tick me off. McCain needs to pick a rebublican.

BTW - I am 100% certain that all of this Leiberman talk is just just talk. I think McCain is 'leaking' the rumor just to help create a buzz. It will be Mitt. It's been a done deal wince Mitt bowed out of the primaries early.

424 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:47:25pm

re: #393 Ward Cleaver

Details...

425 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:48:01pm

re: #415 Sharmuta

MN polling numbers.

That a hard core blue state is even in the margin of error should be a huge red flag for the obama camp. He's gotten all the press attention, and he's only two points ahead in MN? Not so good.

426 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:49:18pm

re: #413 Occasional Reader

McCain could also strike a note of Diversity With Strength by choosing as his running mate a gay Asian man with command experience.

Nice try OR, but he's just the gay Asian man who flies a Starship.

427 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:49:22pm

re: #405 Red Cloud

By whom?

Honestly - I backed McCain because of his support on Iraq. If not for McCain, we would have lost Iraq. So he got my support early.

428 Red Cloud  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:49:31pm

re: #425 Sharmuta

Used to be hardcore. They may have the longest Dem streak out there, but MN is definitely up for grabs lately. GOP didn't do overly well in 2006 there but the trend from the mid-90s on is definitely toward swing-statedom.

429 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:50:22pm

re: #425 Sharmuta

should be a huge red flag for the obama camp

But the Obama camp likes huge red flags!

430 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:50:41pm

re: #419 Sharmuta

I think it's the females who already are going for Mccain. Security mom types, I'm guessing.

Sorry to tell you, but Obama leads there:

In the presidential matchup, McCain leads 46 - 41 percent among men, up from 47 - 44 percent July 15, and 48 - 40 percent among white voters, compared to 49 - 42 percent last month. He also leads 65 - 25 percent among white Evangelical Christians, up from 61 - 29 percent.

But Obama leads 53 - 39 percent among women, compared to 55 - 36 percent last month, and 94 - 4 percent among black voters. The Democrat leads 55 - 36 percent among voters 18 to 34 years old, compared to 63 - 31 percent last month. Obama's strength among voters 35 to 54 is up from 48 - 44 percent to 49 - 41 percent. McCain leads 47 - 40 percent among voters over 55, compared to a 45 - 44 percent split July 15.

From polling released today

431 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:51:15pm

re: #423 Deafdog

I would think about it. BHO is making my skin crawl whenever he, um, um, um, speaks. So I would be 95% likely to hold my nose and do what needed to be done. But it would stink....and forget about any contributions! Suppose something happened to Mac? Joe L. as president? That would tick me off. McCain needs to pick a rebublican.

BTW - I am 100% certain that all of this Leiberman talk is just just talk. I think McCain is 'leaking' the rumor just to help create a buzz. It will be Mitt. It's been a done deal wince Mitt bowed out of the primaries early.

McCain is using public funds, just as he and Obama agreed. He has to spend all of his private campaign money by the last day of the Republican convention. If you want to donate, do it now. He is spending huge chunks of money for advertising during the Democrat Convention. (tee hee)

432 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:51:20pm

re: #429 Occasional Reader

But the Obama camp likes huge red flags!

LOL!

433 JohnnyReb  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:51:37pm

re: #425 Sharmuta

That a hard core blue state is even in the margin of error should be a huge red flag for the obama camp. He's gotten all the press attention, and he's only two points ahead in MN? Not so good.

Just curious, but does the "ONE" have a big single or double digit lead in any states except New England (our votes don't count anyway) or the Left Coast?

I really haven't checked that out yet.

434 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:51:44pm

Obama appoints Jewish outreach coordinator

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Touch this Obama!

435 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:51:46pm

re: #426 jorline

Nice try OR, but he's just the gay Asian man who flies a Starship.

Ahem, Sulu was captain of the "Excelsior", IIRC.

436 Red Cloud  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:51:49pm

re: #427 Deafdog

OK, so you supported McCain through the thin times, but you're willing to bail out on him over a VP choice? You do realize that, in the long run, who he chooses as a VP really is fairly inconsequential?

437 JCM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:51:54pm

Caller on Hannity.

Obama could beat McCain at multiplication tables! Saddleback was rigged!

OMGROFLMAO!

Where do these people come from!

438 Sleepyone  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:51:55pm

I don't know if anyone has seen or mentioned this but I though it was pretty funny. It's from an AP/Google story about Obama's veep and the paragraph in question mentions McCain's choices and Leiberman.

Leiberman...prick?

In case the page has been corrected, here is the cut and pasted paragraph:
His top contenders are said to include Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. Less traditional choices mentioned include former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, an abortion-rights supporter, and Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential prick in 2000 who now is an independent

//I'm sure it's a typo

439 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:51:55pm

re: #411 Red Cloud

The theory on Pawlenty is that he would help out in MN, WI, and IA - that would be two pickups and an important hold if he could deliver all three.

I've been living in MN for 3 years and I'm pretty high on Pawlenty, but I'm not convinced that this isn't a little too optimistic.

Again, I'm not familiar with Pawlenty at all. I think he's a hard sell outside of his region.

440 PloniAlmoni  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:52:13pm

I hate to be off-topic, but I just read this and nearly threw up from disgust, so naturally I want to share: Italy's ex-President Admits to Making Terror Deal with Palestinian Terrorists

441 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:52:48pm

re: #410 galloping granny

What on earth is with you people over "the party?" What the heck ever happened to "the country?" This is exactly why we get so many absolute crap politicians. "I'll vote for him because my union (pastor, interest group) said to." Assinine.


I explained the connection in my post. Since you seem thick, I will explain it again, picking Leiberman is akin to turning your back on the party, whose support he needs to get elected and to govern. Do you understand that, or are you lost already? If he were actually willing to do that, what do you think he will do when it's time to pick for SCOTUS.

BTW - I say again, this Joe L. talk is just talk. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

442 talon_262  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:52:50pm

re: #438 Sleepyone

A Freudian slip, to be sure...

443 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:52:54pm

re: #425 Sharmuta

That a hard core blue state is even in the margin of error should be a huge red flag for the obama camp. He's gotten all the press attention, and he's only two points ahead in MN? Not so good.

And he is in the margin of error in a whole bunch of states, not just MN.

444 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:53:01pm

re: #432 karmic_inquisitor

LOL!

So, did Che invent the metrosexual look, or was he just part of a small group that was way ahead of its time?

/

445 Catttt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:53:04pm

OT - just for fun

Golden Boy :D

446 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:53:20pm

re: #433 JohnnyReb

Just curious, but does the "ONE" have a big single or double digit lead in any states except New England (our votes don't count anyway) or the Left Coast?

I really haven't checked that out yet.

No, he does not.

447 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:53:30pm

re: #428 Red Cloud

I think it says a lot that MN is now a battleground state, but still- that obama's had all the press attention, and McCain's had virtually none and the state is within the margin of error? That's amazing to me.

Keep in mind we've heard nothing from the press except that American's are sick of Republicans, and we have battle ground states in the margin of error. I can't wait for the debates. If they're anything like Saddlebrook, obama's going down in flames.

448 code red 21  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:53:58pm

Personally speaking I won't vote for McCain if Lieberman is the VP. I've had enough of McCain treating the conservative base like some red-headed-stepchild that he's ashamed to be seen with. If he picks Lieberman I believe he will be doing it to throw the election. Why he would want to throw it I don't pretend to know but it would be the final straw with the conservative base.

449 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:54:16pm

re: #437 JCM

Caller on Hannity.

Obama could beat McCain at multiplication tables! Saddleback was rigged!

OMGROFLMAO!

Where do these people come from!

When November comes, the Obamatons are going to be soooooo depressed.

They won't know what hit them.

I say we call it "O'trauma"

450 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:54:20pm

re: #440 PloniAlmoni

I hate to be off-topic, but I just read this and nearly threw up from disgust, so naturally I want to share: Italy's ex-President Admits to Making Terror Deal with Palestinian Terrorists

I saw that. I mean I know you are suppose to keep your friends close but your enemies closer, but this is ridiculous!

451 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:54:47pm

re: #430 karmic_inquisitor

But karmic- those numbers show he's dropping a bit of support.

452 Sleepyone  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:54:48pm

re: #438 Sleepyone

PIMF
Lieberman

453 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:54:56pm

re: #440 PloniAlmoni

I hate to be off-topic, but I just read this and nearly threw up from disgust, so naturally I want to share: Italy's ex-President Admits to Making Terror Deal with Palestinian Terrorists

Nonetheless, there were several major Palestinian terror attacks on Italian targets in the 1970s and 1980s. They included attacks on Rome's airport and main synagogue, and the hijacking of the cruise ship the Achille Lauro cruise ship.

SNIP

454 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:55:35pm

re: #445 Catttt

OT - just for fun

Golden Boy :D

What a body!

455 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:56:14pm

re: #431 galloping granny

McCain is using public funds, just as he and Obama agreed. He has to spend all of his private campaign money by the last day of the Republican convention. If you want to donate, do it now. He is spending huge chunks of money for advertising during the Democrat Convention. (tee hee)


Please realize that the other candidates and the parties will still have their hands out for donations. A Joe L. pick would be a disaster.

456 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:56:26pm

re: #398 maddogg

Nope, Connecticut is very firmly in the Obama camp, double digit lead in the poles, forget it.

*sigh* I had the audacity of too much hope

=/

457 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:56:33pm

re: #441 Deafdog

I explained the connection in my post. Since you seem thick, I will explain it again, picking Leiberman is akin to turning your back on the party, whose support he needs to get elected and to govern. Do you understand that, or are you lost already? If he were actually willing to do that, what do you think he will do when it's time to pick for SCOTUS.

BTW - I say again, this Joe L. talk is just talk. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

I would strongly suggest that you compare the number of registered Republicans to the number of registered Democrats and Independents. And take a look at the number of democrats that will be in Congress this year. He needs the support of people besides just the republicans to both get himself elected and to actually do any governing.

As far as his SCOTUS pick goes, go to [Link: www.votesmart.org...] and look at his TWENTY F'ING YEAR record on abortion.

458 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:56:34pm
459 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:56:58pm

re: #415 Sharmuta

MN polling numbers.

Definitely lagging behind in MN...How does he resonate elsewhere though?

Being form TX I know nothing about Pawlenty.

460 JohnnyReb  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:57:56pm

re: #446 galloping granny


That is very telling at this stage of the campaign with the tremendous amount of positive press coverage he is getting.

461 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:58:08pm

re: #455 Deafdog

Please realize that the other candidates and the parties will still have their hands out for donations. A Joe L. pick would be a disaster.

Obambi is going to have gazillions no matter who McCain picks, because he went back on his word and is not taking public funds. But then he does not know the meaning of "honor."

462 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:58:43pm

re: #438 Sleepyone

Priceless. LOL

Don't get me wrong, I like Lieberman but what a hilarious typo.

463 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:58:51pm

re: #459 jorline

Definitely lagging behind in MN...How does he resonate elsewhere though?

Being form TX I know nothing about Pawlenty.

Hey Jorline,

Someone was floating Kay Bailey Hutchison for McCain's veep. A non-starter, IMO, but it might be a good way to get her out of Texas. ;)

464 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:59:19pm

re: #436 Red Cloud

OK, so you supported McCain through the thin times, but you're willing to bail out on him over a VP choice? You do realize that, in the long run, who he chooses as a VP really is fairly inconsequential?


BS! It has the potential of extreme consequence.

(and to be honest, I would probably still vote for him, and I might be able to get used to the idea over time).

But it is not going to happen, so this is a hypothetical discussion only.

The VP choice will be Mitt.

465 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:59:23pm

re: #425 Sharmuta
One of the reasons I like Pawlenty. Even if he can't deliver MN he can make Obama nervous enough that he spends a lot of time and money there. Make him sweat. My link in 95 is pretty favorable.

466 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:59:32pm

re: #458 Sharmuta

Here- real clear politics map w/numbers.

Not sure how up to date this is. It was a bit behind in some states yesterday.

467 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:59:37pm

re: #435 OldLineTexan

Ahem, Sulu was captain of the "Excelsior", IIRC.

Could be...but he got busted under the don't ask don't tell rule.

468 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:59:42pm

re: #451 Sharmuta

But karmic- those numbers show he's dropping a bit of support.

True - but least among women. The kid vote has fallen off the "slacker cliff". Women, however, have only shifted a couple of points. Despite Russia invading Georgia. Men are mostly for McCain.

"Security moms" went for Bush in the last cycle. But they seem to have become the most vulnerable to the politics of Rosie O'Donnell and "The View". We need a 10 point shift among women to put the election away.

I am not saying the Lieberman is the answer. But that is where the shift needs to happen.

469 PloniAlmoni  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 2:59:59pm

re: #450 Nevergiveup

I saw that. I mean I know you are suppose to keep your friends close but your enemies closer, but this is ridiculous!


Yeah, it's just sickening. How can they decide that Italian lives are more valuable than Israelis? Innocent people died because of that decision, I am sure. And who knows how many other countries made such arrangements.

470 talon_262  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:00:11pm

re: #441 Deafdog

I explained the connection in my post. Since you seem thick, I will explain it again, picking Leiberman is akin to turning your back on the party, whose support he needs to get elected and to govern. Do you understand that, or are you lost already? If he were actually willing to do that, what do you think he will do when it's time to pick for SCOTUS.

BTW - I say again, this Joe L. talk is just talk. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

And you're calling us dense? You're right about Lieberman as VP just being talk at this point, but for the main task at hand for this country right now (the GWOT), Lieberman's got much better bonafides than most of the other people being thrown out right now as VP possibilites.

You want ride the "Lieberman as VP? OH NOES...He's not a "pure" conservative!1!11!" ship down and let NObama sweep in and show a new level of socialist government pain? Be my guest, but you're not taking me with you...

471 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:00:13pm

I predict that Obama will avoid any form of debate with McCain in the future for the entire campaign. He got his ass handed to him and will not look for a repeat performance. And he is likely to get away with it with his base, but not the rest of the electorate.

472 GeeWiz  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:00:41pm

re: #126 kansas

When Lieberman ran with Gore all his principles went straight out the window. Maybe his pro choice position would change like his anti affirmative action stance did. I remember him kissing Maxine Water's.............ring.

Bingo! You nailed it! I live in CT and always split my vote to vote for Joe. I guess the thought of being VP got to Joe and he tossed aside all the principles that I voted for in order to be Gore's running mate. I was so pissed, I swore I would never vote for him again. Enter Ned Lamont with Markos, I voted for him again. The lesser of two evils thingy that we are all facing this election.

473 Sleepyone  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:00:46pm

re: #462 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm sure it was unintentional ;)

474 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:00:56pm

re: #370 Ward Cleaver

True.

Sowell for Treasury secretary?

Department of Common Sense.

475 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:01:15pm
476 JohnnyReb  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:01:39pm

re: #458 Sharmuta

Here we go again. Ohio, Michigan and Florida. From that map, it will come down to those states again. A solid red stripe down the middle of the country and blue on the edges.

I really need to move from Connecticut.

477 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:01:56pm

re: #457 galloping granny

I would strongly suggest that you compare the number of registered Republicans to the number of registered Democrats and Independents. And take a look at the number of democrats that will be in Congress this year. He needs the support of people besides just the republicans to both get himself elected and to actually do any governing.

As far as his SCOTUS pick goes, go to [Link: www.votesmart.org...] and look at his TWENTY F'ING YEAR record on abortion.

Agreed! Then Mac should not pick Joe L.

478 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:02:00pm

re: #435 OldLineTexan

Ahem, Sulu was captain of the "Excelsior", IIRC.

Indeed. He also commanded the USS Fabulous.


(okay so I made that up)

479 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:02:24pm
480 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:02:31pm

re: #473 Sleepyone

You need to sent that to the Tonight Show.

481 GeeWiz  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:02:41pm

re: #156 A Kiwi Infidel

I could live with that choice.

482 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:02:53pm

re: #458 Sharmuta

Here- real clear politics map w/numbers.

Oh my goodness gracious. That is so different than the map looked yesterday it is stunning. Yesterday Obama had 276 - today he has 228. And OREGON is only "leaning" blue? That is remarkable - that is where Obama had his big Commie concert.

483 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:03:40pm

re: #467 jorline

Could be...but he got busted under the don't ask don't tell rule.

No, no, no. It's because he couldn't stop referring to the Starfleet Officers as his Seamen.

484 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:03:57pm

re: #463 OldLineTexan

Hey Jorline,

Someone was floating Kay Bailey Hutchison for McCain's veep. A non-starter, IMO, but it might be a good way to get her out of Texas. ;)

LOL...I hear she's coming back to run for Governor...no shit!

After eight years of Rick"pretty boy"Perry I'm ready for a change in Austin. Perry is the biggest stealth Governor I've ever seen...or not seen...what a whip!

485 GeeWiz  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:05:01pm

re: #178 Capitalist Tool

Ole Joe did considerable backpedaling of any of his "construed as conservative" ideas during his VP run with All Gore, if people would remember...

I remember it well!

486 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:05:03pm

re: #454 MandyManners

What a body!

Golden Stud of the world..
Very proud of him

487 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:05:08pm

Someone lay have already posted this ,,, but ,,

Hannitry just stated that according to the RNC the VP choice for Mccain will NOT be Pro-Choice.

If true, scratch off Lieberman and Ridge

488 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:05:10pm

re: #483 Lizard by the Bay

No, no, no. It's because he couldn't stop referring to the Starfleet Officers as his Seamen.

LMAO...ding

489 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:05:23pm

re: #484 jorline

LOL...I hear she's coming back to run for Governor...no shit!

After eight years of Rick"pretty boy"Perry I'm ready for a change in Austin. Perry is the biggest stealth Governor I've ever seen...or not seen...what a whip!

Kay's gone straight Foggy Bottom. Gov. Goodhair spends all his time now licking his political and NAFTA superhighway wounds.

490 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:05:32pm

re: #468 karmic_inquisitor

I don't think McCain will take the woman vote from obama, nor does he have to- he just needs to pull enough of them away to hurt, which is possible. Hill fans do not like obama.

491 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:05:37pm

re: #472 GeeWiz

Bingo! You nailed it! I live in CT and always split my vote to vote for Joe. I guess the thought of being VP got to Joe and he tossed aside all the principles that I voted for in order to be Gore's running mate. I was so pissed, I swore I would never vote for him again. Enter Ned Lamont with Markos, I voted for him again. The lesser of two evils thingy that we are all facing this election.

And obviously Lieberman learned a thing or two from that experience himself. Notice that he is not a democrat anymore.

I happen to know there is more than one Lizard who used to be a Democrat.

492 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:06:01pm

re: #407 Occasional Reader

You brought the question up; so you go look.

No thanks.

493 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:06:32pm

re: #482 galloping granny

Oh my goodness gracious. That is so different than the map looked yesterday it is stunning. Yesterday Obama had 276 - today he has 228. And OREGON is only "leaning" blue? That is remarkable - that is where Obama had his big Commie concert.

he invited PUTIN, But VLAD was busy planning an invasion

494 Deafdog  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:06:45pm

re: #470 talon_262

And you're calling us dense? You're right about Lieberman as VP just being talk at this point, but for the main task at hand for this country right now (the GWOT), Lieberman's got much better bonafides than most of the other people being thrown out right now as VP possibilites.

You want ride the "Lieberman as VP? OH NOES...He's not a "pure" conservative!1!11!" ship down and let NObama sweep in and show a new level of socialist government pain? Be my guest, but you're not taking me with you...

The snarkiness in that reply was in response to a "you people" comment from granny.

Leiberman is fine on the GWOT, but on other topics he's far left. Put Joe as ambassodor to the UN or make him head of homeland security. I've got no problem with that. But putting him on the ticket would be a HUGE mistake and it ain't gonna happen.

495 JCM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:06:48pm

re: #471 maddogg

I predict that Obama will avoid any form of debate with McCain in the future for the entire campaign. He got his ass handed to him and will not look for a repeat performance. And he is likely to get away with it with his base, but not the rest of the electorate.

That won't work either.

There will be 2-3 debates, tightly scripted and moderated. The candidates will have the questions in advance. The media will go along because that's the only way BHO doesn't look foolish.

496 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:06:59pm

re: #410 galloping granny

What on earth is with you people over "the party?" What the heck ever happened to "the country?" This is exactly why we get so many absolute crap politicians. "I'll vote for him because my union (pastor, interest group) said to." Assinine.

Yellow dog special interest?

497 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:07:31pm

re: #482 galloping granny

The map I posted yesterday was the "no toss ups" map, which today has Obama at 275

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

But it has Indiana as blue, which is just plain wrong. Flip that and it is McCain ahead at 274.

498 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:07:37pm

re: #476 JohnnyReb

Here we go again. Ohio, Michigan and Florida. From that map, it will come down to those states again. A solid red stripe down the middle of the country and blue on the edges.

I really need to move from Connecticut.

Everything that I've heard about Colorado says that McCain is going to take that. And everything I'm hearing about NM is that the only way Obama can hope to take NM is if he chooses Richardson as his running mate.

499 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:07:52pm

re: #497 karmic_inquisitor

I noticed that too.

500 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:07:59pm

re: #489 OldLineTexan

Kay's gone straight Foggy Bottom. Gov. Goodhair spends all his time now licking his political and NAFTA superhighway wounds.

Perry had all the promise to hit the national stage...until he became governor. When do you ever see anything in the news about Perry...stealth boy.

501 Dianna  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:08:30pm

re: #487 sattv4u2

While I, personally, have no particularly strong opinion, it's a good thing that McCain has the sense not to go back on his stated principle.

502 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:08:35pm

re: #491 galloping granny

I happen to know there is more than one Lizard who used to be a Democrat.

I think Charles would qualify, if I'm not mistaken. I too made the conversion (but I did back in 1998, I'm not a 9/11 convert).

503 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:08:46pm

re: #496 debutaunt

Yellow dog special interest?

my dog's white ,with some grey on his ears and tummy

504 Sleepyone  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:09:06pm

re: #480 Pvt Bin Jammin

You need to sent that to the Tonight Show.

Too bad it's not in print. I'm sure it will be correct soon, if it isn't already.

505 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:09:43pm

re: #491 galloping granny

I happen to know there is more than one Lizard who used to be a Democrat.

I still am. (Though I haven't voted Dem since 2000.)

506 Alan K. Henderson  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:09:47pm

McCain-Lieberman 2008

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I want the post-Reagan slide away from conservatism to be reversed. This is not gonna do it.

Besides, if Connecticut has as much chance of electing a Republican senator as I have of landing a date with the entire US women's volleyball team, we're better off with Joe in his current office.

507 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:09:47pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

I don't think McCain will take the woman vote from obama, nor does he have to- he just needs to pull enough of them away to hurt, which is possible. Hill fans do not like obama.

I think there is a lot of the female vote that Obama does not have and will not get, no matter what Hillary says. There are an awful lot of really p'oed and fed up female hillary supporters. They've even formed a couple of PACs - one to support John McCain and one called PUMA - Party Unity My Ass - apparently to get Hill on the ballot and a full vote taken.

508 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:09:55pm

re: #502 Lizard by the Bay

I think Charles would qualify, if I'm not mistaken. I too made the conversion (but I did back in 1998, I'm not a 9/11 convert).

I was a yellow dog Democrat.

Married a republican. She straightened me out.

509 Dianna  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:10:01pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

I don't think McCain will take the woman vote from obama, nor does he have to- he just needs to pull enough of them away to hurt, which is possible. Hill fans do not like obama.

Hell, I find it utterly astonishing how good Obama makes Hillary look!

Never mind what he's done for my view of McCain.

510 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:10:04pm

re: #491 galloping granny

And obviously Lieberman learned a thing or two from that experience himself. Notice that he is not a democrat anymore.

I happen to know there is more than one Lizard who used to be a Democrat.

I was a registered Dem for mmany years

(I also wore bell bottom pants once upon an eon ago)

511 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:11:26pm

re: #509 Dianna

Hell, I find it utterly astonishing how good Obama makes Hillary Mao look!

Never mind what he's done for my view of McCain.

fixed

512 Dianna  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:11:34pm

re: #495 JCM

That won't be acceptable. The voters won't take that, no matter what the press thinks.

513 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:11:37pm

re: #500 jorline

Perry had all the promise to hit the national stage...until he became governor. When do you ever see anything in the news about Perry...stealth boy.

He's got good pro-life creds, and is a staunch defender of the the Boy Scouts (his book about them looks good) but that's about it. Big disappointment.

514 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:11:42pm

re: #489 OldLineTexan

Perry's a Romney want-a-be.

515 JCM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:11:51pm

re: #467 jorline

re: #483 Lizard by the Bay

Attention! Such comments are unbecoming!

Report immediately for Captain's Mast!

516 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:12:10pm

re: #497 karmic_inquisitor

The map I posted yesterday was the "no toss ups" map, which today has Obama at 275

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

But it has Indiana as blue, which is just plain wrong. Flip that and it is McCain ahead at 274.

It also has NM as blue - I'm hearing there isn't a prayer in hell of that unless Richardson gets the VP nod - and PA as blue. I'm not so sure he can take PA either.

517 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:12:33pm

re: #509 Dianna

Hell, I find it utterly astonishing how good Obama makes Hillary look!

Never mind what he's done for my view of McCain.

I couldn't agree more. ++++++++ for you.

518 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:12:42pm

re: #509 Dianna

Hell, I find it utterly astonishing how good Obama makes Hillary look!

Never mind what he's done for my view of McCain.

Isn't THAT the truth!

519 Catttt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:12:57pm
520 Dianna  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:13:31pm

re: #511 sattv4u2

Fair enough!

521 jorline  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:13:31pm

re: #513 Ward Cleaver

He's got good pro-life creds, and is a staunch defender of the the Boy Scouts (his book about them looks good) but that's about it. Big disappointment.

ditto

522 Catttt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:14:03pm

re: #486 HoosierHoops

Golden Stud of the world..
Very proud of him

Me too. And his family's hood is right next door to my hood. Baltimore is bursting with pride, needless to say.

523 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:14:47pm

re: #504 Sleepyone

Red C posted last night about seeing a sign for a new restaurant that's coming with genuine "Corean" cuisine! LOL He's going to take a picture of that sign and hopefully send it in.

524 wolfie  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:17:44pm

re: #495 JCM

That won't work either.

There will be 2-3 debates, tightly scripted and moderated. The candidates will have the questions in advance. The media will go along because that's the only way BHO doesn't look foolish.

That's the way I figure it.
No real debates, just MSM set-ups for the Obamassiah.

(And perhaps Chinese gymnastics judges to pronounce the "winner!")

525 Sleepyone  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:18:06pm

re: #523 Pvt Bin Jammin

Red C posted last night about seeing a sign for a new restaurant that's coming with genuine "Corean" cuisine! LOL He's going to take a picture of that sign and hopefully send it in.

That's too funny.

526 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:18:15pm

re: #509 Dianna

Hell, I find it utterly astonishing how good Obama makes Hillary look!

Never mind what he's done for my view of McCain.

The Dem primary is long over, and I'm still trying to calculate who's more dangerous, the Obamuppet + his large company of 60's radical/Marxist string pullers (since obviously he hasn't had enough DC experience to get anything done himself), or Hillary's history of insider know-how, aided by the Clintons' goons/police.

527 maddogg  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:19:09pm

re: #495 JCM

That won't work either.

There will be 2-3 debates, tightly scripted and moderated. The candidates will have the questions in advance. The media will go along because that's the only way BHO doesn't look foolish.

Thats why McCain should insist on a format that is unscripted, with no questions known in advance, and moderators hostile to both sides. Obama cannot stand up against that, and will refuse to debate, and looks like the wimp he actually is in front of the electorate.

528 rightymouse  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:19:52pm

re: #523 Pvt Bin Jammin

Red C posted last night about seeing a sign for a new restaurant that's coming with genuine "Corean" cuisine! LOL He's going to take a picture of that sign and hopefully send it in.

Will they be serving 'Cimchi'?

529 GeeWiz  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:22:23pm

re: #491 galloping granny

And obviously Lieberman learned a thing or two from that experience himself. Notice that he is not a democrat anymore.

I suspect that after supporting McCain, Joe will lose his last toe-hold in the Dem caucuses and change to an R after his name.

530 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:25:16pm

re: #529 GeeWiz

I suspect that after supporting McCain, Joe will lose his last toe-hold in the Dem caucuses and change to an R after his name.

If the Dems retain their majority in the senate without counting Liebeman, they will strip him of all his important commitees. At that point, he will go "I", not "R", IMHO

531 Colonel Panik  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:26:23pm

re: #507 galloping granny

I think there is a lot of the female vote that Obama does not have and will not get, no matter what Hillary says. There are an awful lot of really p'oed and fed up female hillary supporters. They've even formed a couple of PACs - one to support John McCain and one called PUMA - Party Unity My Ass - apparently to get Hill on the ballot and a full vote taken.

I wonder if those "PUMA" people took into account the Urban Definition of a "Cougar".

532 Dianna  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:26:23pm

re: #526 runrabbitrun

Well, I wouldn't vote for either, so it's not really a question for me. But it bothers me to no end that one or the other might win.

533 JCM  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:27:33pm

re: #527 maddogg

Thats why McCain should insist on a format that is unscripted, with no questions known in advance, and moderators hostile to both sides. Obama cannot stand up against that, and will refuse to debate, and looks like the wimp he actually is in front of the electorate.

Lincoln Douglas Format!

534 StinkHammer  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:28:46pm

A little late to this party, but after doing some cogitating I've narrowed down my preferred McCain running mate options to the following three:

1. John Elway
Brings to the ticket: Republican quarterback with a rocket for an arm (for pelting hippies with urine bags from distances up to 80 yards).

2. Julianne Hough
Brings to the ticket: Makes Paris Hilton look like kelp (and actually has a discernable talent).

3. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
Brings to the ticket: Can talk terrific smack while kicking some Russkie's ass.

535 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:29:43pm
536 RadialVelocity  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:39:10pm

My Wish List for VP:

Mitt
Sarah of Alaska
Rick
Kay Bailey Hutchison
JC Watts

537 silversmith  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:39:53pm

I would vote for them. Also, it would totally steal their thunder if the Democrats adopt Hillary or some such blatant move. It will trump any move the Democrats make because the Democrats move first.

Ever play chess or go?

538 ladycatnip  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:41:13pm

#404 karmic_inquisitor

re: #376 ladycatnip

The only sticky point would be the supremes chosen by McCain, as I highly doubt he's really pro-life.

He is pro-life. He also knows that the Rick Santorum grandstanding tactics have no effect on abortion - SCOTUS picks do.

Santorum started the whole "I hate McCain because he is a secret baby killer" club. Santorum lost his seat because he wasn't paying attention to bread and butter issues that get Senator's re-elected vs getting time on the talk radio circuit.

Thanks for the info. I was completely under the impression he was pro-choice.

539 RadialVelocity  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:43:24pm

Just to clarify - Rick as in Santorum

540 Macker  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:44:04pm

re: #426 jorline

Nice try OR, but he's just the gay Asian man who flies a Starship.

Shields! SHIELDS!

541 silversmith  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:44:22pm

I liked McCain's answers in the last debate/question and answer session. I think Joe Leiberman will be equally concise in his opinions, though he is not my choice of great speakers.

542 silversmith  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:46:19pm

re: #540 Macker

Actually this man is a nice guy at science fiction conventions and would probably enjoy your wry humor.

543 GeeWiz  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:50:17pm

re: #530 sattv4u2

If the Dems retain their majority in the senate without counting Liebeman, they will strip him of all his important commitees. At that point, he will go "I", not "R", IMHO

Joe is already registered as an "I".

544 ladycatnip  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:50:37pm

#509 Dianna

Hell, I find it utterly astonishing how good Obama makes Hillary look!

Never mind what he's done for my view of McCain.

Right there with ya. When I thought Obama would clinch the election, I yearned for Hillary! He makes her look almost Margaret Thatcher-ish. I'd take her any day over Obama. He's as close to a card-carrying communist, American-hating Marxist, Stalinist, that we could ever have. She, on the other hand, warts and all, seems almost benign compared to the Enlightened One (although intellectually I know better).

545 Dainn  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:53:49pm

Leiberman strikes me as to the left of Bill Clinton on most issues, and McCain won't get many more "liberal-lite" votes by having him on the ticket. Still, I can see why there is so much buzz about this possible choice.

RINO and DINO. The dream outsider ticket.

546 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:54:30pm

One has to question McCain's political judgement! Is he actually trying to lose?

547 Iron Fist  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:57:24pm

A Democrat for the Republican Vice Presidency? Who thought of that abortion? Other than the War, Joe Lieberman is a very Liberal Democrat. He doesn't agree with the Republicans on virtually anything. The first rule of chosing a VP is that he doesn't hurt your chances of winning.

Lieberman pretty much guarentees that McCain is an also-ran.

548 silversmith  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 3:58:42pm

re: #540 Macker

I can't believe that the movie studios let utube do that and not pay a fee. They show up at conventions banning merchants who carry bootleg goods. Even photos.

Oh well, it just goes to show that some things change.

Change

"It's like in the Army you know;

The great prince issues commands,
founds states,
vests fiefs,
inferior people shall not be employed."

Firesign theater

549 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:05:52pm
550 warnergt  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:09:46pm

Tom Ridge is a good guy. We miss him here in Pennsylvania. When he left for G.W. Bush's Dept. of Homeland Security, he left an opening for tax-and-spend Democrat Ed Rendell. Eddie Rendell's first priority as governor was raising the state income tax. Thanks, Eddie -- jack ass.

Eddie is still trying to monkey with our tax system claiming he is going to provide property tax relief. Of course, his surreptitious plan is to raise taxes even more.

551 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:10:49pm
McCain-Lieberman 2008?

Hey, why not just pick Biden or Teddy Kennedy?

/if you're deliberately trying to lose anyway, you may as well try and lose big

552 Gondo  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:15:51pm

My wish list for VP 1. Mitt 2. Mitt Romney 3. Gov. Mitt Romney 4. Gov. Mitt Romney of Mass. 5. Rush Limbaugh { just to watch moonbats heads explode }

553 GeeWiz  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:21:20pm

re: #552 Gondo

LOL!

554 wiffersnapper  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:22:48pm

Getting ready for that Ted Nugent write-in

555 George guy  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:37:48pm

re: #554 wiffersnapper

Honestly, though, the best way to start Nuge's political career would be thusly:

1) Secretary of the Interior. Our nation's parks would probably be in good hands with this eminent conservationist. As a bonus, there would probably be some creative solutions to dealing with Mexican drug cartels growing drugs in our park lands, which would make a good segue for a Cabinet shuffle, to make him
2) Secretary of Homeland Security. No expounding necessary. And next.
3) Vice President. This would be a boon to whoever is President, who could push some real conservative policies and threaten to resign if Congress doesn't cooperate. As a bonus, even most insane people would think twice about attempting to assassinate the President.
Then he can run for President.

556 willowone  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:39:54pm

re: #544 ladycatnip
felt the same, at this point anything but Obama and his band of thugs

557 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:47:19pm

With Obama's background, his drug useage and shady associates, he couldn't even get a standard security clearance. Yet he could wind up to be Commander-in-Chief? This is insane.

558 lori lane  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:47:42pm

re: #153 Bob in Breckenridge

If not Mitt, two words: George Allen. .

Hmmm. Interesting. Had forgotten about him.

559 Dainn  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:53:01pm

re: #555 George guy

McCain Nugent '08

I kind of like that. He would bring gun control to the ticket (i.e. hitting what you shoot at).

560 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:53:15pm

Well I would like to see Liberman on the ticket just because he's an Independent & that in itself is a blow to the Democratic Party which IMHO has become quite disloyal to the country.

And further: Suppose that McCain is one term by his own choice and Liberman is elected president; it may take some of the wind out of the perpetual D vs. R
squabbling in the congress because Liberman would not be on any side and he could tell all of them to STFU and get to work.

561 willowone  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:55:34pm

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
As Delaware Sen. Joe Biden left his home a few minutes ago, golf clubs in tow, he was asked where he was going to be on Saturday.

Biden replied, "Here" and pointed down to his driveway.

As he pulled out of the driveway in the driver's seat of his car he then said to the press gathered near his gate, "You guys have better things to do. I'm not the guy."
[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

562 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 4:56:51pm

No way could I go for Lieberman for VP. Maybe for Sect of State (they are already to the left) but I don't want him anywhere near domestic policy.

563 Dasher  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:00:29pm

re: #560 Ojoe

Well I would like to see Liberman on the ticket just because he's an Independent & that in itself is a blow to the Democratic Party which IMHO has become quite disloyal to the country.

Lieberman calls him self an "Independent Democrat". If tapped would Lieberman become a Republican or would McCain become a Democrat?

I am in the Sarah Palin camp my self.

564 avspatti  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:05:02pm

re: #106 Son of the Black Dog

No, Tennessee is anti-Gore.
Lieberman wasn't the problem, except for a tiny minority of voters.

Exactly right. Tennessee has had enough Gore. (Haven't we all?)

565 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:07:49pm

re: #563 Dasher

Palin would probably bring along a huge number of Hillary fans

566 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:10:02pm

re: #491 galloping granny

And obviously Lieberman learned a thing or two from that experience himself. Notice that he is not a democrat anymore.

I happen to know there is more than one Lizard who used to be a Democrat.

My folks, particularly my mom's family, were the yellowest of yellow dog Texas Democrats. My mother has a picture of herself at age 9 with Eleanor and Franklin Roosevelt in the White House in 1934.

I defected to the GOP very early on, as a teenage Goldwater kid in 1964. The folks thought it was a major scandal but they started coming around after the 1968 Dem convention, where my mom was a delegate and to which my dad and I were also eyewitnesses.

567 baxtrice  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:15:44pm

*sigh* I respect Lieberman for standing up to the Democrat bullies and sticking with his principles but jeez, McCain.

WE. GET. IT. You're a Maverick.

I need an aspirin.

568 kyleb  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:23:04pm

Well, is crushing babies' skulls just moments before they're born GOOD or BAD?
Now I'm confused.

569 Florida Lady  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:27:14pm

#536 RadialVelocity

My Wish List for VP:

Mitt
Sarah of Alaska
Rick
Kay Bailey Hutchison
JC Watts

I agree with your 1st 3 (if "Rick" is Rick Santorum)
KBH has been caving on the amnesty issue
JC Watts won't rule out voting for Obama.

570 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:32:12pm

Lieberman? Good on the war, but a staunch lib on everything else? I'm gonna puke my freakin' pants! :P

571 witness  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:32:33pm

McLame handing it to Olenin.

1929, 2009, the crash awaits, the cycle repeats.

Wait till the Ethanol induced dust bowl hits. Then it will feel just like it.

572 big L  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:46:37pm

remember /Gore-Loserman in 2000
/M'Cain-Loserman in 2008

He is way out there on everythging Left/donk. I could not believe in '06 allthesupport Hewitt was throwing that way. Hewitt believes in nothing that Lieberman believes in. L is still a putative donk too!.

573 EuskalHerria  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:47:43pm

Kaixo!
I am of the opinion that Joe Lieberman is a fine, honest man; I like his stance on Islamonazism and his support of Israel and his support for a strong military; that being said, he is basically a social liberal and will induce many conservative voters to sit on their hands come election day. I think Mitt Romney is head and shoulders above all other potential VP candidates; he did a masterful job with the Winter Olympics and has tremendous business sense, plus he is strong on national defense and on confronting the Islamic threat. There are, unfortunately, some Evangelical Christians who will look at his LDS faith and refuse to vote for a ticket with a Mormon on it.; hopefully many more of these Christians will realize that he shares the same family values and conservative governmental philosophies that they do. I think it is vital that we have a President and Vice President who will adhere to the strict constructionist views of the Constitution and that our next President will be such that will nominate Justices who will be true supporters and strict interpreters of the Constitution. That sure eliminates Barack Obama from serious consideration!
Eskerrik asko. Agur!

574 big L  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:48:21pm

571- yeah it is the overnite rate that is all shaky again and it is the canary inthe gold mines. Expect bad news soon for the economy. Rats./

575 big L  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:51:44pm

557-stuck...did you seethat oby was wearing an oversize T shirt that said "ARMY" on it? it was sticking the proverbial donk thumb in the military eye.
/he looked like such an ass.

576 witness  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 5:54:54pm

re: #574 big L

Wait until FDIC is strained to the limit during the panic. Hyper-inflation is a given with helicopter-Ben. Olenin's dream come true. He is loving the prospect of a complete collapse as his excuse for 100% taxes to bailout the crooks. The New Raw Deal.

577 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 6:03:32pm

re: #573 EuskalHerria
Congrats on your first post! Good one.

578 hazzyday  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 6:05:10pm

I'm fine with Lieberman as VP. It's the VP slot. I think McCain is better off though with Romney or a woman as his choice.

The winning votes are on McCain's left not on his right. Of course I am like 0 for 10 in picking poltical candiates. Go Rudy!

579 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 6:10:57pm

Count me in on the Sarah Palin bandwagon. She makes too much sense NOT to choose her.

580 LEGION  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 6:13:57pm

HELL NO! He is my senator and he sucks- I wouldn't wish him on anybody else. Except for defense - he is useless, a tax and spend illegal alien loving lib.Phhtttt.

581 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 6:14:47pm

I hope that McCain takes a hard look at Frank Keating. He's a strong conservative without the negatives of Romney, and although highly experienced in the executive branch, a pretty nice "blank slate" candidate that would engender a lot of support in the midlands and intermountain regions, which are as crucial in this election as the midwest, IMHO.

He has demonstrated proven potential as a strong pro-constitution, pro-life and anti illegal immigration leader. His only real rap is that he's 64 years old. He seems to have no baggage like ID or significant political scandal.

Keating was in McCain's camp very early in his candidacy.

582 Dasher  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 6:19:30pm

One rule I have that I have lived by since 1964 is never ever vote for a Democrat. So if McCain picked Lieberman, I would have to skip the top of the ticket, and only vote for lower Senator and down.

583 Dasher  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 6:20:18pm

oops.. cross out "lower" in #582

584 lifeofthemind  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 6:23:20pm

Just stoping by on the way to the new thread. Remember Bush 41s description of the job of VP, "You die we fly."

585 David Simon  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 6:29:19pm

re: #580 LEGION

HELL NO! He is my senator and he sucks- I wouldn't wish him on anybody else. Except for defense - he is useless, a tax and spend illegal alien loving lib.Phhtttt.

Not to mention the fact that NARAL loves him. Republicans who support Lieberman for VP remind me of battered women who find a slighly less dick of a man. "I know he's a bastard...but he can be sooo sweet."

586 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 6:59:10pm

It's now official. Neither Ridge or Lieberman will be veep.

I'd post a link, but Google doesn't have one yet.

I don't think it was a close call, but I want Sen. Joe to stay right where her is...

587 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 7:01:26pm

And now Fox News stabs me on the back side of the commercial break, saying Biden denies he's veep pick.

When was his fucking name in this conversation?

588 patrickafir  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 7:07:43pm

That would be a great ticket, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

589 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 7:14:24pm

Just on the substance I could live with it, but the message of a McCain-Lieberman ticket would be that the Republican Party is dead. How would you go from there? Whether McCain wins or loses, what would the Republican Party look like in 2012?

He needs to put someone on the ticket who can represent the future of the Republican Party, of unapologetic pro-capitalism, of "conservatism". Someone like Paul Ryan.

590 Areopagitica  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 8:57:31pm

Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.

The GOP is at a crossroads. The fact the Lieberman is rumored to be McCain's choice does speak volumes of how the GOP has really failed. You are seeing here two factions, the pro-life christian conservatives vs. traditional fiscal republicans.

Evangelicals represent an enormous voting block but their hard core socio-religious political points may be losing their grip as people face life in a lousy economy and high unemployment. People that are trying to find jobs or avoid foreclosure due to the subprime crisis are likely not going to vote based on who opposes abortion but are going to look to see who can really try and come up with ideas to help them get out of a bad situation.

The fire and brimstone rhetoric of the far right on abortion is, IMHO, bringing the GOP down because it prevents inclusiveness. Lieberman has supported the Iraq war and has advocated fiscal responsibility in the past which, last I checked, are hallmarks of traditional republicanism. Some GOP'ers though are up in arms because he differs on one point, abortion, that on most voter's minds, is not at the forefront of pressing issues. I really think, if the GOP is going to move forward in the future, they may have to throw parts of the evangelical block under the bus. Obviously they don't and shouldn't embrace the stupid socialist-esque policies of the left, but if they don't move beyond the abortion issue as its litmus test, the GOP is going to have a very tough time courting new more centrist voters that want to vote republican based on smaller govt., fiscal responsibility platform but are turned off by the highly aggressive christian conservatives. The game has changes where its not all or nothing on an ideological level. If the GOP sticks to that paradigm this election, McCain is going to have trouble against Obama and that in turn is going to leave everyone, including the upset christian conservatives in even worse shape.

OT: Yesterday, Obama's political mentor, Illinois Senate president Emil Jones Jr. announced that he would retire when his term is up in january. He is currently unopposed on the ballot in his south side Chicago Cook County district. He is pushing the Chicago democratic machine to have his son replace him on the Nov. 4th ballot. His son works for our corrupt governor at $60K per year and has no college degree. Jones is also allowed to take almost $200K from his half million dollar campaign fund he has built up and convert it to personal income so long as he reports it to the IRS. This is how politics works in the Chicago area and in Illinois. Get elected, retire and then have party bosses handpick an equally inept or worse family member to replace you without the consent of the voters and make sure the replacement maintains the status quo or gets laws passed that pad your bank account at the taxpayer's/supporter's expense. Obama is a product of this environment. Wake up America.

591 Wendya  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 9:24:41pm

re: #12 DaveOlson

No matter who McCain choses, it is hard for me to see anyone on the right voting for Barack - "kill those babies" - Obama.

No, they'll just throw a hissy fit and stay home.

592 shanester  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 9:26:35pm

If THIS happens, B.O. will win. Period.

Where's the next Reagan? Bobby J?

Ho hum.

593 nigella  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 9:29:36pm

Really late to this thread, but I don't think McCain is seriously thinking of Lieberman as his VP. I have to say Tom Ridge does absolutely nothing for me, and I know I'm going to take some heat, but Romney also carries no interest for me. Thank goodness I' not in charge of choosing the VP. I really don't know where to go with this.I must tell you McCain was not even on my list for POTUS.Rudy was my first choice, followed by Thompson.Now I don't know who I would pick.All I know is if McCain chose snoopy the dog I would vote for him. Anything but Obama!

594 nigella  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 9:30:39pm

PIMF I'm

595 Wendya  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 9:38:20pm

re: #23 Capitalist Tool

It is only with a considerable amount of sacrifice of ideals that many conservatives acquiesce to a John McCain candidacy.

Don't push your luck, Senator McCain.

I'm not "sacrificing" a damned thing.

I will vote for McCain, not because he's the candidate of my dreams, blah..blah...blah.... but because at this point in history, we don't need any indecisive candy asses making our national security policy. I'm sure as hell not looking for someone to follow, I want someone strong enough to lead and even if he makes decisions I don't agree with, at least he will have stood up decisively for what he believes is right.

596 Wendya  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 9:43:02pm

re: #557 Stuck-in-CA

With Obama's background, his drug useage and shady associates, he couldn't even get a standard security clearance. Yet he could wind up to be Commander-in-Chief? This is insane.

Since the President is the highest classifying authority, he doesn't need a clearance.

597 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Aug 19, 2008 10:36:24pm

I have a hunch McCain will choose Mel Martinez. You heard it here first.

598 TheHardHat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 6:47:10am

Lieberman was a trial ballon. Conservatives hit the roof and McCain got the message. Lieberman = Lose, Period.

As far as I am concerned, this is still a contest between two George Soros candidates. So McCains choice of a VP had better be spectacular or the only voting I'm doing is for local Conservatives. Period.

PS: Put your money on Bill Russell (vs John Murtha in PA) to finish first.

599 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 6:56:16am
600 Alan K. Henderson  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:54:03am

Five more reasons that Joe Lieberman is a bad choice for veep, courtesy of NRO:

1. Lieberman voted against Justice Thomas’s confirmation.

2. Lieberman voted against Justice Alito’s confirmation.

3. Lieberman voted against passage of the federal partial-birth abortion ban—a ban that even usual pro-abortion stalwarts like Pat Leahy voted for.

4. Lieberman voted against all of these appellate-court nominations by President Bush:

Brett Kavanaugh (D.C. Circuit)
Janice Rogers Brown (D.C. Circuit)
Brooks Smith (Third Circuit)
Dennis Shedd (Fourth Circuit)
Priscilla Owen (Fifth Circuit)
Diane Sykes (Seventh Circuit)
Bill Pryor (Eleventh Circuit)

In addition, he voted against cloture on lots of appellate nominees, including multiple times on the unsuccessful nomination of Miguel Estrada to the D.C. Circuit.

601 Areopagitica  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 8:15:23pm

re: #600 Alan K. Henderson

Move past the abortion issue. Alot of people are republicans that aren't evangelicals and are being pushed away by them.

As for the judicial nominees, some of them are not good choices. Janice Rogers Brown still has a stick up her arse over FDR and the New Deal. She has supported a reading of the constitution that is a form of conservative judicial activism" rooted in Lochner v. NY. Yes believe it or not, both sides of the aisle are to blame for trying to manipulate the courts.

602 Alan K. Henderson  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:12:27pm

McCain's veep could very well be his presidential successor. NRO's laundry list should make it clear that President Lieberman would make worse judicial appointments overall than Bush (and presumably McCain).

(Who mentioned evangelicals?)

As for the judicial nominees, some of them are not good choices. Janice Rogers Brown still has a stick up her arse over FDR and the New Deal.

And where is the problem in that? The New Deal was an avalanche of government assuming powers that the Constitution did not enumerate.

As for Lochner, that case embraced the illegitimate concept of substantive due process, the Calvinball of judicial philosophy. The idea that judges can determine what is implicitly in the Constitution means that judges can subjectively read into it anything they want.

Justice Holmes' dissent is a must read, especially this portion:

The liberty of the citizen to do as he likes so long as he does not interfere with the liberty of others to do the same, which has been a shibboleth for some well known writers, is interfered with by school laws, by the Post Office, by every state or municipal institution which takes his money for purposes thought desirable, whether he likes it or not...The other day, we sustained the Massachusetts vaccination law. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11. United States and state statutes and decisions cutting down the liberty to contract by way of combination are familiar to this court. Northern Securities Co. v. United States, 193 U.S. 197. Two years ago, we upheld the prohibition of sales of stock on margins or for future delivery in the constitution of California. Otis v. Parker, 187 U.S. 606. The decision sustaining an eight hour law for miners is still recent. Holden v. Hardy, 169 U.S. 366.

He forgot to bring out the biggest gun in his arsenal: US Constition, Article 1, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes." The Lochner argument presumes that no commercial activity can be regulated by any level of government - yet our Constitution says otherwise.


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