The only way to status quo ante is for the bear to get a whack on the nose.

Surprise Surprise Surprise

Just remember. We're supposed to believe that Georgia instigated this and that the Russians are the good guys here. /gorby

'Digs in', but not getting ready to hibernate, I'll betcha.

Burn in hell commies!

No surprise, just Russian lies....

Well, winter is approaching.
They're just going into hibernation.

wow those russians sure are efficient, it looks like they have already finished their pull back.

Occ-u-pa-shun!

Let's see how many of the Israel-bashers whine about this occupation.

You need to understand Russkie thinking: Pulling back, extending the boarders of Russia, it be de same thing.

Funny how quiet the anti-war types are these days.

The Russians lied. I don't believe it. It must be Bush's fault.

re: #1 jcm

The only way to status quo ante is for the bear to get a whack on the nose.

Or build bigger and better missile bases in Poland.

And Europe has blocked even a strongly worded letter from NATO.
The Europeans are keeping warm on the fire that is Georgia.
Someone should do an editorial cartoon that shows Europeans warming themselves over a burning Georgia.

Since Russia supposedly agreed to "cease fire" and to "withdraw", we should announce that if they do not live up to agreements, we cannot trust them on anything, and all agreements with them, including all treaties, are null and void.

We should help with the digging in by creating some rather large holes for them.

re: #10 maddogg

You need to understand Russkie thinking: Pulling back, extending the boarders of Russia, it be de same thing.

Exactly. They "pulling" Georgia "back" into the fold.

Who is in charge of the Russian Military? It's easy to say Putin but does he have any constitutional say in this? I can't imagine him micromanaging this. Whose orders do the Russian generals follow the Presidents or the prime ministers?

re: #17 Westward Ho

Who is in charge of the Russian Military? It's easy to say Putin but does he have any constitutional say in this? I can't imagine him micromanaging this. Whose orders do the Russian generals follow the Presidents or the prime ministers?

Putin is the whole show over there.

"Sack-here?" Very unfortunate name for a town near Russia.

re: #19 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Sack-here?" Very unfortunate name for a town near Russia.

Is there a town called "pissed on" by any chance?

Please, when you refer to Putin, give him his proper title,
Czar Vladimir

re: #12 Ford_Prefect

No, it's not Bush's fault. It's McCain's fault. That's what Obama told me.

Meanwhile, democrats are urging a delay in the missile defense system.

Anyone surprised?

[Link: www.iht.com...]

re: #14 Kosh's Shadow

Someone should do an editorial cartoon that shows Europeans warming themselves over a burning Georgia.

Brilliant.

re: #21 Kosh's Shadow

Please, when you refer to Putin, give him his proper title,
Czar Vladimir

Czar Vlad the Impaler!

re: #25 jcm

Czar Vlad the Impaler!

It's not like he would be insulted by that you know?

OPPOSE RUSSIAN AGGRESSION IN GEORGIA BY SUPPORTING A BOYCOTT OF THE 2014 OLYMPIAD.

CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT HOW.

Democrats may be crazy

Someone better be working on a way to get _real_ AT weapons into Georgia. The 57mm recoilless rifles leaves their light units impotent.

re: #23 Wendya

I'm getting tired of the Democrats aiding and abetting the enemy side at every turn....

Not going to happen. The Russian Bear has no intention of leaving - not yesterday, not today, not tomorrow, not on the 22nd. Not leaving at all.

Just never mind the man behind the curtain!

re: #9 Iron Fist

Occ-u-pa-shun!

Let's see how many of the Israel-bashers whine about this occupation.

They're pretty sure they heard that it was Georgia occupying Russian land.

I think it's going to be a very cold winter in Georgia...disrupt the Russian supply lines and steadily degrade their forces through asymmetric warfare...make them pay a steep, and ongoing, price for their aggression.

Russians don't even need to photo-shop.

Global media documents Russian tanks digging in, global world citizens yawn.

Face it, totalitarians love it when Russia talks tough.

re: #23 Wendya

Meanwhile, democrats are urging a delay in the missile defense system.

Anyone surprised?

[Link: www.iht.com...]

I'm as shocked as Capt. Renault was to find gambling at Rick's.

We need a party of loyal opposition, not one that wants to destroy this country.

Medvedev has as much trouble pulling out as President Clinton did

Even if they do intend to withdraw, which is by no means certain, they're going to take their sweet time about it to show they're not taking orders from anyone and their utter contempt for the impotency of the West and NATO. It also gives their paramilitary thugs plenty of time to terrorize the locals and cart off the loot. They know perfectly well they have plenty of water carriers and sympathizers in the West who'll repeat and excuse everything they say and do. Some will probably even show up here repeating the " but the Georgians attacked first, they killed civilians" line.

Welcome to the new world dis-order.

re: #32 HolmWrecker

Just never mind the man behind the iron curtain!

Fixed it

re: #9 Iron Fist

Occ-u-pa-shun!

Let's see how many of the Israel-bashers whine about this occupation.

* * *
ILLEGAL OKKUPAYSHUN seems to have gone the way of GRAVITAS in liberals' lexicon.

Russian Foriegn Minister Lavrov's pile of dung opinion in the Wall Street Journal today.

He fails to mention why they would KIDNAP 20 Georgian soldiers. Post-ceasefire it cannot be called 'capturing' the enemy.

He fails to mention why Russia would confiscate U.S. military equipment, our Humvees.

He fails to mention why Russian military move forward and setup posts while their President says they are withdrawing. In fact he doesn't even use the word withdraw(al) in the entire piece.

He does have this fine quote "Just admit that a democratically elected leader can lie."

Well we can certainly admit that an un-democratically elected leader can lie. And his foriegn minister.

re: #17 Westward Ho

Who is in charge of the Russian Military? It's easy to say Putin but does he have any constitutional say in this? I can't imagine him micromanaging this. Whose orders do the Russian generals follow the Presidents or the prime ministers?

Who signs the paychecks? Or... who is in charge of the political apparatus?

When Stalin was given the job of General Secretary of the Communist Party it was believed that the position was a dead end job of no significance. Being communists, the leadership of the party did not understand the inherent importance of the person whose job is to hire and pay people. An error that would never have occurred in a capitalist social and political structure. They did not understand that by giving Stalin "the keys to the office" they had basically given him control of everything.

re: #15 bulwrk

I'm wondering whether the Hummers they stole still have the auto-destruct button in them...

re: #38 JHW

Some will probably even show up here repeating the " but the Georgians attacked first, they killed civilians" line.

To which I'll respond again, that Russia must think the world is gullible to believe that they were SOOOOO upset over Georgia firing on civilians, that to stop it, Russia bombed the hell out of civilians.

Who knew that badmitten had so many Olympic medals. Really.

re: #23 Wendya

Hell, they've been pro-USSR since the '70's. Why would they stop now?

re: #24 scottishbuzzsaw

Brilliant.

* * *
Did you see the Politico's cartoonist, Wuerking cartoon, showing Iraq War ten times larger than Putin's Invasion?

Liberal pretending our LIBERATION from tyranny is worse than a TYRANT'S INVASION of a free country.

re: #23 Wendya

Meanwhile, democrats are urging a delay in the missile defense system.

Anyone surprised?

[Link: www.iht.com...]

Can we do them for treason now?

re: #46 pat

Who knew that badmitten had so many Olympic medals. Really.

It is the 1-potato-2-potato medal rounds that I find facinating.

re: #28 pat

Democrats may be crazy

Functionally dumb.

Even after the rooskies pull their troops out I'm sure they'll leave their "Dirlewanger Brigade" there for their equivalent of R and R (rape and ravage).

Sorry I can't provide a link (computer 'tard) but the brigade was an interesting, although horrifying story.

re: #20 Nevergiveup

Is there a town called "pissed on" by any chance?

South Pillage.

Fresh order of Javelins & stingers please.

re: #29 Quilly Mammoth

Someone better be working on a way to get _real_ AT weapons into Georgia. The 57mm recoilless rifles leaves their light units impotent.

It will still punch a hole in a BMP, BMD, ML-TB, and any sandbagged bunker.

re: #44 Cap'n DOC

I'm wondering whether the Hummers they stole still have the auto-destruct button in them...

Like all the F-14's we sold the Iranians?

re: #42 CommonCents

What a load of self-serving soviet-style agit-prop crap.

Good news. Kerry to speak at DNC convention.

LOL! the dems are clueless.

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

Good one!

re: #37 Shug

Medvedev has as much trouble pulling out as President Clinton did

I'm not going to respond to that, this is a family forum...

OT:
Sorry I was late to the previous thread and wanted you guys to see this:

Daily Kos diarists are going to start issuing their own press releases and talking points!

You gotta be kidding me!

These guys are serious about this!
Their caveat is that they will issue them but let everyone know they are not part of obambi's campaign.

Where is the popcorn?

re: #60 The Other Les

I'm not going to respond to that, this is a family forum...

I meant Haiti, Kosovo,etc......

/

I wonder how this affects the status of the Georgians deployed in Iraq. My brother worked with them and said they were really motivated and were quite well versed on the evils of [bigoted word]ism and Communism. Its funny how the Russians havent deployed any troops in Afghanistan (you'd think they'd like a little payback) they must have learned a lesson. Maybe a US backed and NATO supported Georgian opposition movement could teach the Russians/neo-Soviets that same lesson.

re: #36 Kosh's Shadow

I'm as shocked as Capt. Renault was to find gambling at Rick's.

We need a party of loyal opposition, not one that wants to destroy this country.

OK

re: #48 alegrias

* * *
Did you see the Politico's cartoonist, Wuerking cartoon, showing Iraq War ten times larger than Putin's Invasion?

Liberal pretending our LIBERATION from tyranny is worse than a TYRANT'S INVASION of a free country.

I can't tell you how many liberals informed me this weekend that in their minds, the U.S. removing a murderous dictator and installing a democracy is the moral equivalent of Russia's installing a murderous dictator and removing a democracy.

re: #63 baconeatingkaffir

I wonder how this affects the status of the Georgians deployed in Iraq. My brother worked with them and said they were really motivated and were quite well versed on the evils of [bigoted word]ism and Communism. Its funny how the Russians havent deployed any troops in Afghanistan (you'd think they'd like a little payback) they must have learned a lesson. Maybe a US backed and NATO supported Georgian opposition movement could teach the Russians/neo-Soviets that same lesson.

We air lifted them back home a week ago.

re: #63 baconeatingkaffir

I wonder how this affects the status of the Georgians deployed in Iraq. My brother worked with them and said they were really motivated and were quite well versed on the evils of [bigoted word]ism and Communism. Its funny how the Russians havent deployed any troops in Afghanistan (you'd think they'd like a little payback) they must have learned a lesson. Maybe a US backed and NATO supported Georgian opposition movement could teach the Russians/neo-Soviets that same lesson.

They were airlifted back early on, by USAF C-17s.

Now if we can just get Czar Putin to endorse Obama.....

re: #45 Silhouette

Too much of the world is gullible or quaking in their boots, because that line is getting repeated endlessly along with the genocide one. The 2,000 civilian figure of Ossetian dead, killed by evil Georgians, is being repeated over and over with no evidence at all but Volodya's (Volodya=diminuitive of Vladimir , I want to insult him like the Georgian Pres calling him Lilli-Putin) say so. I think we're seeing a purposeful disinformation campaign carried out in the world media also.

re: #52 tommygum

Even after the rooskies pull their troops out I'm sure they'll leave their "Dirlewanger Brigade" there for their equivalent of R and R (rape and ravage).

Sorry I can't provide a link (computer 'tard) but the brigade was an interesting, although horrifying story.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #48 alegrias

* * *
Did you see the Politico's cartoonist, Wuerking cartoon, showing Iraq War ten times larger than Putin's Invasion?

Liberal pretending our LIBERATION from tyranny is worse than a TYRANT'S INVASION of a free country.

Haven't seen it (do you have a link?)

And the moral equivalencies being made by the liberal/left are repulsive.

Oh Patton, why didn't we listen.

re: #68 maddogg

Now if we can just get Czar Putin to endorse Obama.....

He hasn't already?

re: #27 KimZigfeld

I don't think Putin really cares.

re: #29 Quilly Mammoth

Someone better be working on a way to get _real_ AT weapons into Georgia. The 57mm recoilless rifles leaves their light units impotent.

The LAW might be a better choice, even if the design is 40+ years old. It's light, simple to operate, and after you fire it you throw away the container/launch tube. It won't do much to a T-80, but it'll go through everything else I've seen the Russians driving. Send the Georgians lots of anti-armor and anti-aircraft.

The only way the Russkies will leave Georgia is at the point of a bayonet, actual or figurative. Get used to it.

re: #65 runrabbitrun

I can't tell you how many liberals informed me this weekend that in their minds, the U.S. removing a murderous dictator and installing a democracy is the moral equivalent of Russia's installing a murderous dictator and removing a democracy.

As I've said, Liberals are functionally dumb.

re: #71 scottishbuzzsaw

And the moral equivalencies being made by the liberal/left are repulsive.

It falls under the old Bill Buckley line, pushing an old lady into a bus, and pushing an old lady out of the way of a bus has to be the same thing, because in both cases, you are still pushing old ladies around.

re: #78 runrabbitrun

It falls under the old Bill Buckley line, pushing an old lady into a bus, and pushing an old lady out of the way of a bus has to be the same thing, because in both cases, you are still pushing old ladies around.

Bill's vast wisdom lives on..........

re: #74 Dustoff-507
Hey Dustoff - asked you this on prior thread but you had left - WTH do you mean wood pellets don't work if power is off - don't ya burn the wood pellets in some sorta fireplace or stove?!

re: #78 runrabbitrun

It falls under the old Bill Buckley line, pushing an old lady into a bus, and pushing an old lady out of the way of a bus has to be the same thing, because in both cases, you are still pushing old ladies around.

Wonder what he would be saying at this moment in time...

Time to train a few Georgia soldiers about Special forces ways.

Cause all kinds of problems for Putin.

re: #42 CommonCents

Russian Foriegn Minister Lavrov's pile of dung opinion in the Wall Street Journal today.

He fails to mention why Russia would confiscate U.S. military equipment, our Humvees.

Uh... maybe so they'll have something reliable to drive?

re: #58 FrogMarch

You left out the best part! Gore and Carter are going to speak. Hopefully while World Can't Wait and Code Pink are riot outside!

Woot!

lol, completely off topic (non cat-lovers can safely skip this post) but my cat just licked the cursor on the screen. She obviously considers the pointer to be an extension of myself and thus deserving of affection. I'm just amazed that she manages to make the connection between me and what happens on-screen.

Amazing huh? *ducks*

re: #44 Cap'n DOC

I'm wondering whether the Hummers they stole still have the auto-destruct button in them...

It's labeled "Onstar".

re: #80 realwest

The used a scoop that runs all the time. Putting the small pellets into the burrner can. Plus a small fan blowns on the pellets to keep them burning. So no power no workie.

New Gallup is out - McCain 45, Obama 43

re: #78 runrabbitrun

It falls under the old Bill Buckley line, pushing an old lady into a bus, and pushing an old lady out of the way of a bus has to be the same thing, because in both cases, you are still pushing old ladies around.

Speaking of old ladies. When I was in my twenties, I was living in Jerusalem one summer and while walking thru the city I happen to step off a curb while waiting to cross. A little old Jewish grandma yanked me back, slapped my hand, and admonished me to stay on the sidewalk until it was safe. And all I could say was yes maam.

re: #75 Son of the Black Dog

The series of photos Stevie Ray posted a few days ago had one photo of a Russian soldier holding a captured LAW. It's probably being used to show the Russian's back home "proof" that the US stirred this up, like the rumors they captured black soldiers.

re: #80 realwest

The pellets are about the size of peanuts

The Russian government -- lying?

Such a thing has never happened in the history of mankind.

re: #86 Son of the Black Dog

LOL...

What? The russians are lying?

Communists and totalitarians lie...blatantly. It's what they do.

Shame on western society for letting them get away with it for a century.

re: #85 Aylios

What happens when the cat sprays the screen.. 0-:

An article in the BBC a few days ago said that Russia was losing the PR war -- and today we have 2 articles, one from Russia's foreign minister in the WSJ and another by Gorbachev in the New York Times. Soviet-style propaganda with a 21st century twist -- blaming the U.S. for complicity in a genocide by Georgia and analogizing to Kosovo. Tried and true KGB tactics, guaranteed to convince moonbats and leftists the world over.

re: #89 Nevergiveup

Speaking of old ladies. When I was in my twenties, I was living in Jerusalem one summer and while walking thru the city I happen to step off a curb while waiting to cross. A little old Jewish grandma yanked me back, slapped my hand, and admonished me to stay on the sidewalk until it was safe. And all I could say was yes maam.

A healthy society is one in which adults take care of and correct children. In a sick society, like urban America, adults are afraid of the "youths" who are allowed to run wild.

re: #92 zombie

The Russian government -- lying?

Such a thing has never happened in the history of mankind.

Such as:

Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from Smolensk in Russia where, in 1940 on Stalin's orders, the NKVD shot and buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in WW2 in support of the Nazis.
[NKVD- Narodny Kommisariat Vnutrennikh Del. If you are Polish NKVD means "Nie wiadomo kiedy wroce do domu. Impossible to tell when I will return home."]

[Link: www.geocities.com...]

I wonder how many autonomous submarines we have now. And do they carry torpedoes?

That may be an option to a carrier battle group which will be blocked from entering the Black Sea.

Ukraine is friendly and conveniently located for deployment and intelligence-gathering.

re: #85 Aylios

lol, completely off topic (non cat-lovers can safely skip this post) but my cat just licked the cursor on the screen. She obviously considers the pointer to be an extension of myself and thus deserving of affection. I'm just amazed that she manages to make the connection between me and what happens on-screen.

Amazing huh? *ducks*

Doesn't she type yet? One of ours loved to type. (She died a few months back.)

re: #99 Nevergiveup

I believe the murdered were all Polish officers.

re: #87 Dustoff-507 I'm sorry I just don't get it.
If you're currently hooked up to a furnace that uses OIL to fire it up, then where the hell do the wood pellets go?!
Seriously my friend, PLEASE try to explain this to me - we have a fireplace in which I use Duraflame logs cause the wood logs (which are plentyful down here) are too hot for our apartment) but if pellets can be burned in like a fireplace or stove or something, I might be able to help some folks out!

re: #97 Liechtentrager

An article in the BBC a few days ago said that Russia was losing the PR war -- and today we have 2 articles, one from Russia's foreign minister in the WSJ and another by Gorbachev in the New York Times. Soviet-style propaganda with a 21st century twist -- blaming the U.S. for complicity in a genocide by Georgia and analogizing to Kosovo. Tried and true KGB tactics, guaranteed to convince moonbats and leftists the world over.

Time to use their own tools against them. Have someone move an indictment against Putin at the Hague.

re: #92 zombie

It is as unpresidented as a Democrat lying. It isn't even in their vocabulary to lie.

re: #34 Tigger2005

I think it's going to be a very cold winter in Georgia...disrupt the Russian supply lines and steadily degrade their forces through asymmetric warfare...make them pay a steep, and ongoing, price for their aggression.

You know, scratch this. There are so many creative ways we could deal with this situation. If we would only use our imaginations.

For example, we could make a statement like this:

"Russia has said it is pulling back it's forces, but it appears they are digging in instead. We can only assume that communication is very poor and discipline shockingly lax in the Russian armed forces. Perhaps these soldiers are acting entirely on their own, disregarding orders of Prime Minister Medvedev and their superior officers. Perhaps they have decided they prefer Georgia's democracy and want to stay. If so, we're sure the Georgian government would be glad to offer them political asylum.

"However, since at the moment we are uncertain of the motives and intentions of these troops, we are taking steps to ensure that they are unable to intimidate or otherwise interfere with the democratically elected government of Georgia or disrupt the day to day lives of Georgian citizens. NATO forces are now landing in Georgia's harbors and airports to act as protectors and peacekeepers until this matter is resolved."

re: #81 scottishbuzzsaw

Wonder what he would be saying at this moment in time...

I really don't see the libs as concerned who on the globe gets pushed into the way of totalitarian buses or out of the way of them - all the libs care about is which country is doing the pushing.

If they are anti-US or commie nations, no matter what the military dynamic, then they get a liberal free pass

BREAKING - Russia will respond to the Poland missile shield deal with more than just (talk, diplomacy - missed the last word)

re: #88 galloping granny

New Gallup is out - McCain 45, Obama 43

It's only like that because NcCain cheated. Everyone knows Gallup is really owned by Haliburton, with Cheney secretly calling the shots. They use Diebold machines you know, and they are manufactured at RNC headquaters so that even if you tell the pollster you're an Obama supporter, it registers 2 McCain votes!

/Cindy Sheehan

(ouch ,, my head hurts,,, me ! )

re: #97 Liechtentrager

re: #97 Liechtentrager
Good points. I'd like to make two of my own.

1. At the time the actual bombing of Kosovo was going on, the Russians didn't seem that upset. Oh, yeah, they complained some. . but they didn't do anything.

2. The left was thrilled with the bombings. By G-d, those filthy Serbs were getting what was coming to them! I know they're going to try and turn around now, and say they were against Amerikkkan imperialism all the time; they shouldn't be allowed to get away with that.

Actually, three points:

3. If Russia's so worried about the Serbs, and Islamic imperialism, why do they continue to sell weapons to Iran, and support groups like Hamas and Hizbollah?

re: #102 Kenneth

I believe the murdered were all Polish officers.

Yes. All shot in the back of the head. A particular Soviet Secret Police trick.

realwest -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellet_stove

re: #96 Dustoff-507

What happens when the cat sprays the screen.. 0-:

lol, she doesn't of course. I'd have to really really piss her off before she did that kind of thing.

re: #106 Tigger2005

You know, scratch this. There are so many creative ways we could deal with this situation. If we would only use our imaginations.

For example, we could make a statement like this:

"Russia has said it is pulling back it's forces, but it appears they are digging in instead. We can only assume that communication is very poor and discipline shockingly lax in the Russian armed forces. Perhaps these soldiers are acting entirely on their own, disregarding orders of Prime Minister Medvedev and their superior officers. Perhaps they have decided they prefer Georgia's democracy and want to stay. If so, we're sure the Georgian government would be glad to offer them political asylum.

"However, since at the moment we are uncertain of the motives and intentions of these troops, we are taking steps to ensure that they are unable to intimidate or otherwise interfere with the democratically elected government of Georgia or disrupt the day to day lives of Georgian citizens. NATO forces are now landing in Georgia's harbors and airports to act as protectors and peacekeepers until this matter is resolved."

(Whoops...that should have been President Medvedev, of course)

re: #88 galloping granny

New Gallup is out - McCain 45, Obama 43

I'm not sure about that, gallup.com shows the opposite.

Oh, and btw all y'all - I've said all I can say about the Russia/Georgia thing. Apparently not enough people think going into shooting down Russian planes, sinking Russian Navy ships and using US airpower to take out Russian supply lines and armor is worth it - well, I guess except for those who recognize that Georgia is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, AND AN ALLY OF THE U.S. IN IRAQ.

If the U.S. doesn't help out, Georgia is done for and democracy suffers a defeat - and what the hell will the U.S. do if Russia "roughs up" the Ukraine?

re: #98 lifeofthemind

A healthy society is one in which adults take care of and correct children. In a sick society, like urban America, adults are afraid of the "youths" who are allowed to run wild.

Which is one of the main reasons I instruct visiting children to address me as 'Mr.' and I insist my children address visiting adults as Mr. or Ms.

It was only recently that children started calling adults by their first names to no good end...

/.02

re: #101 galloping granny

Doesn't she type yet? One of ours loved to type. (She died a few months back.)

I'm sorry to hear that GG. Well every now and them she likes to take a stroll on the keyboard, but she seems more interested in what happens on the screen. Depends on the cat I guess.

re: #90 JHW

The series of photos Stevie Ray posted a few days ago had one photo of a Russian soldier holding a captured LAW. It's probably being used to show the Russian's back home "proof" that the US stirred this up, like the rumors they captured black soldiers.

Well I hope it was an expended tube. Be a shame to waste one.

re: #112 Killer Tomato

sorry - try this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellet_stove

re: #103 realwest

Sorry buddy. Wood pellet stoves look much like a wood stove. Yes they use wood but very small crushed wood. (sawdust)
In front of the stove they have a small window that let's you see the fire burning . The pellets are stored in the back of the stove and by a small motor are pulled into the flame box.

re: #112 Killer Tomato
Hey KT - link doesn't work for IE I'm afraid!

re: #94 rorschach

In "Foxbats over Dimona" there is a snippet of a memoir of a Soviet apparatchik of the 60's era who recalls putting together (top secret) minutes of a Politburo meeting or a memo, with remarks like "was decided to resume nuclear testing in Siberia, bla bla" and getting yelled at by Kosygin -- "this is a historical document, in 30, 40 years it may become public, no, you have to write 'in response to the US imperialists violating we decided to resume bla di bla'" an obvious lie, even in own records, to keep the lie a reality.
They are moving fast back to that level of propaganda, after a lull.

re: #106 Tigger2005

Your statement would be a lie.

NATO has no intention of helping Georgia.

re: #103 realwest

Duraflame logs are coated with wax, which helps them burn.
PS these logs are made of sawdust too.

re: #115 bosforus

Either way it is within the margin of error. That should make the Messiah feel really good.

re: #124 dnc_hindenburg

Or anywhere else.

re: #116 realwest

OK I agree.

Now tell me, Who's airspace do we violate and how do we get our navy into the Black Sea?

re: #126 Iron Fist

Either way it is within the margin of error. That should make the Messiah feel really good.

Obama needs at least a 10 point lead since Rove programs all the Diebold voting machines to record Obama Votes as McCain votes

/

re: #117 experiencedtraveller

Which is one of the main reasons I instruct visiting children to address me as 'Mr.' and I insist my children address visiting adults as Mr. or Ms.

It was only recently that children started calling adults by their first names to no good end...

/.02

CS Lewis in the Narnia books describes one of the children as having progressive parents who insisted on first names and who wore funny underwear.

[Link: geAnd...] the claim that Russia is acting to protect Orthodox Christians in Georgia is BS too. Georgia is Orthodox. oconger.wordpress.com/category/ecumenical/orthodox /georgian-orthodox/

re: #124 dnc_hindenburg

Your statement would be a lie.

NATO has no intention of helping Georgia.

Well, of course, I meant only make the statement if we intend to follow through with it. My point is, we could set it up so we don't have to go in guns blazing. Upstage the Russians. "You said you were doing this, but for some reason it's not happening. So, until you figure out how to make these troops leave, we're just here to make sure they don't make any mischief."

re: #128 dnc_hindenburg

OK I agree.

Now tell me, Who's airspace do we violate and how do we get our navy into the Black Sea?

We don't let our navy get caught in that mouse trap!

re: #101 galloping granny

Doesn't she type yet? One of ours loved to type. (She died a few months back.)

Typing kills cats?

re: #124 dnc_hindenburg

Some NATO countries want very much to help Georgia, some don't. There will be no direct NATO intervention, but there will very likely be indirect help, military aid etc. BTW, there are 129 US military trainers/special forces in Georgia right now.

Good News: Women's Equality Achieved in Gaza-New Suicide Bomber Training in Action

re: #129 Shug

Obama needs at least a 10 point lead since Rove programs all the Diebold voting machines to record Obama Votes as McCain votes

/

I'd like to go on record and say that no matter how the election turns out the losing party will claim fraud. Odds are higher if McCain wins.

re: #129 Shug

Obama needs at least a 10 point lead since Rove programs all the Diebold voting machines to record Obama Votes as McCain votes

/

hehe ,,, see my #109

[Link: geBad...] link; this should be better. oconger.wordpress.com/category/ecumenical/orthodox /georgian-orthodox/

re: #138 bosforus

I'd like to go on record and say that no matter how the election turns out the losing party will claim fraud. Odds are higher if McCain wins.

ya think ?

re: #122 realwest
Hey Killer Tomato - found it myself on Wiki, thanks!

Koskidz display progressive values....
Let's Be Completely Honest ... Lie

If you want to convert someone to your position, lie to them.

If you want to support Obama, lie about John McCain. hell, tell the truth about John McCain - but ad don any other thing you can think of that is outrageous.

If you are talking about the election to an NRA member, tell them John McCain hates guns. If you are talking to a religious figure, tell them that John McCain is an atheist (this pains me to say as an atheist, as it infers something wrong with atheism, but we all must sacrifice here!). Lie. Lie with abandon. Lie without regret.
....
This election is of paramount importance, with McCain trying to reignite the cold war, an Iranian War, and more love to corporations like Exxon ... morality is not a luxury we have available to us.

So let's be completely honest.... LIE.

re: #139 sattv4u2

GMTA

only yours is faster

re: #129 Shug

Obama needs at least a 10 point lead since Rove programs all the Diebold voting machines to record Obama Votes as McCain votes

/

The talking heads on Fox are saying that Obama is going to name Hillary VP

re: #135 taxfreekiller

You're trying to give the Krazy Kos Kidz a brain hemorrhage, aren't you? That's mean! Besides, how does it help WAB's kids?

:-þ

re: #137 WriterMom

The feminists will be so pleased! Maybe Oprah will interview one of them, before she self-detonates!

(whether the links work, or not---Georgia is Orthodox.)

re: #115 bosforus

I'm not sure about that, gallup.com shows the opposite.

Real Clear Politics has the average of all the major polls with Obama leading by 1.3 percent. He was up 48/ 41 back on 6/30

re: #141 Shug

ya think ?

I know, I know, it goes without saying, but I just had to say it.

(REALWEST)

pellet stove info

[Link: www.hometips.com...]

re: #148 sattv4u2

Real Clear Politics has the average of all the major polls with Obama leading by 1.3 percent. He was up 48/ 41 back on 6/30

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

re: #116 realwest

I do think Georgia is worth helping. I think Bush believes that too. It's a matter of what the US & NATO are willing to do to help. No direct intervention will happen, but indirectly... weapons, intel, diplomatic support, & other pressures will happen.

Drudge headline:

SHOWDOWN: RUSSIA VOWS SHIELD RESPONSE BEYOND DIPLOMACY

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Koskidz display progressive values....
Let's Be Completely Honest ... Lie

And this is a new strategy?
/

Flashing light up at Drudge. Russia vows a reponse to shield greater than diplomacy.

Just the headline.

re: #125 Dustoff-507
Thanks Dustoff but I just checked Wiki and all you need electric for is to operate blower fans - even with that electricity you need, those pellet stoves would seem to be a cheaper way to heat your house than by using fuel oil, No?

re: #143 Killgore Trout

morality? they wouldn't know it if it bit them in the ass.

re: #145 galloping granny

The talking heads on Fox are saying that Obama is going to name Hillary VP

I actually think at this point that may only further point out Obama's total lack of experience and fitness for President and would hurt him even more.

re: #117 experiencedtraveller

Which is one of the main reasons I instruct visiting children to address me as 'Mr.' and I insist my children address visiting adults as Mr. or Ms.

It was only recently that children started calling adults by their first names to no good end...

With the variant of that, where they call adults Mr. First Name or Mrs. First Name. I hate that.

re: #145 galloping granny

The talking heads on Fox are saying that Obama is going to name Hillary VP

well, I guess that there is a worse scenario than the Obamessiah getting into the White House.

re: #155 Noam Sayin'

Flashing light up at Drudge. Russia vows a reponse to shield greater than diplomacy.

Just the headline.

Some how I think it involves Cuba. I hope I am wrong because that would be very serious.

re: #152 Kenneth

I believe Bush wants to help. But I have no faith in NATO, except talk, talk, talk.

re: #115 bosforus

I'm not sure about that, gallup.com shows the opposite.

I think Granny is referring to a Gallup/ USA Today poll

[Link: time-blog.com...]

re: #128 dnc_hindenburg

OK I agree.

Now tell me, Who's airspace do we violate and how do we get our navy into the Black Sea?

Montreaux Convention, Aircraft carriers are out. Turkey can close the straits to military craft in wartime.

OT: Democrats Move Left on Abortion

re: #136 Kenneth

True and I think there's a lot going on militarily that we're not hearing. The prisoner exchange yesterday, the Russians had only a handful of Georgian POWS. It looks like the Georgian main forces escaped getting caught in a bag, and have withdrawn to places they can defend better (southern mountains ? ), the Russian air was their biggest problem from what little evidence I've seen of their destroyed equipment. So maybe there's an orderly plan in here somewhere after all.

re: #152 Kenneth

have you dropped by Jamestown today - they have a detailed article on how the Russians used the French.

re: #156 realwest

Pellets can put out up to 90.000 BTUs and much safer than oil.

re: #128 dnc_hindenburg
I've already said - in probably a thousand words this weekend and last Friday what I think the US should do.
The fact is we CAN control Georgian airspace without putting carriers in the BLACK sea - and we have air bases in Mosul, Iraq, which are well within range of both our F-16's, and our F-22's (if could bother to use them instead of guarding Guam.).

re: #153 SeafoodGumbo

Drudge headline:

SHOWDOWN: RUSSIA VOWS SHIELD RESPONSE BEYOND DIPLOMACY

Yep, invading free countries...that's fine, but HOW DARE THEY SET UP A DEFENSE!? That is provocation beyond withstanding.

Well if this turns into a shooting war I think the Humvees wil not be the only trophies brought out of Georgia.

I can think of 129 military trainers and observers who would become guests of the Kremlin.

Putin knows we cannot act because bush doesn't have a mandate.

The media would crucify him and McCain would suffer in the polls.

If Russia attacks Poland they are insane and we will end up in a full blown shooting war with them whether we like it or not. Probably embargoes etc but who knows what the next minute may bring sometimes in such times much less the next day...

/Tell people what they want to hear and then do something totally different?! Who do the Russians think they are, leading edge Democrat politicians?

re: #159 Silhouette

With the variant of that, where they call adults Mr. First Name or Mrs. First Name. I hate that.

I don't mind Mrs. First Name or Mr. First Name...I still call my mom's best friend Mrs. Juanita and I'm 41! And she had asked me to call her Juanita..I just can't do it.

re: #156 realwest

Thanks Dustoff but I just checked Wiki and all you need electric for is to operate blower fans - even with that electricity you need, those pellet stoves would seem to be a cheaper way to heat your house than by using fuel oil, No?

depends - you have to consider the cost of the stove (if you can get one), the install (if you can find someone to do it) and the pellets themselves (which at least here are pretty hard to lay hands on right now.)

I have some friends that have a couple of apartments. They've been quite worried too and asked me for advice some time ago. I suggested they convert the apartments to electric, reduce the rent $100 a month and have the tenants pay their own. Would have saved them a ton of $$ - but the cost of the conversion was $10,000 per apartment, with a wait time of months to get an electrician to do it.

Every day that Ivan stays in Georgia past the "deadline", is another day that the West is exposed as being powerless to do anything about it.

Fox News Alert...

RUSSIA SAYS RESPONSE TO U.S. MISSILE SHIELD DEAL WITH POLAND WILL GO BEYOND DIPLOMACY

re: #173 dnc_hindenburg

If Bush actually cares about this country, he'll ignore that.

Please recall, though, that Iraq invaded Kuwait in August, and we didn't even begin moving troops until October. So, we shall see.

re: #158 Nevergiveup

I actually think at this point that may only further point out Obama's total lack of experience and fitness for President and would hurt him even more.

I agree with you. And make her supporters even madder. VP is nothing other than the booby prize.

News Alert...

TFC3RID'S RESPONSE TO RUSSIA'S RESPONSE IS A BIG F-YOU

re: #171 realwest

Sending aircraft from Iraq will require us to fly over either Turkey or Iran.

which would you choose?

re: #165 WriterMom

OT: Democrats Move Left on Abortion

Without clicking the link, I'm wondering how much more left can they go. Don't they already approve of state-funding?

re: #176 galloping granny

Yep pellet stoves are no cheap. )-:

re: #178 tfc3rid

Fox News Alert...

RUSSIA SAYS RESPONSE TO U.S. MISSILE SHIELD DEAL WITH POLAND WILL GO BEYOND DIPLOMACY

Putin just needs a haircut. He'll feel much better about a polish missile shield after a nice haircut

re: #161 Nevergiveup

Some how I think it involves Cuba. I hope I am wrong because that would be very serious.

Cuba, Venezuala, Syria.

Dammit we need twice the number of ships, ground units and planes we have now. Anyone with a brain knew the world was going to get messier after the Berlin Wall came down but the fools cried for a "Peace Dividend" and cut the military to pour money down ratholes.

re: #181 galloping granny

I agree with you. And make her supporters even madder. VP is nothing other than the booby prize.

Especially if your VP pick is a booby!

re: #177 reno911

Every day that Ivan stays in Georgia past the "deadline", is another day that the West is exposed as being powerless to do anything about it.

Of course it is also another day for the Russians to acquire enough rope and cockiness to hang themselves. Isn't surprise the first rule of warfare?

re: #175 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I cannot call a friend of my mother's by her first name. I just can't, even though the lady was never one of my teachers. My mom insisted on good manners, and good manners do not include children addressing adults by their first time.

re: #173 dnc_hindenburg

Well if this turns into a shooting war I think the Humvees wil not be the only trophies brought out of Georgia.

I can think of 129 military trainers and observers who would become guests of the Kremlin.

Putin knows we cannot act because bush doesn't have a mandate.

The media would crucify him and McCain would suffer in the polls.

I believe I heard that the US trainers were flown out the first day of the war. Hopefully they will go back in.

re: #183 dnc_hindenburg

Iran.................... sweet.

re: #177 reno911

Agree with you.

Barack Obama's 'lost' brother found in Kenya

Where's that check-list again?...? Ah, yes,

DSM Criteria

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement
6. is interpersonally exploitative
7. lacks empathy
8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

re: #187 lifeofthemind

Cuba, Venezuala, Syria.

Dammit we need twice the number of ships, ground units and planes we have now. Anyone with a brain knew the world was going to get messier after the Berlin Wall came down but the fools cried for a "Peace Dividend" and cut the military to pour money down ratholes.

If it's Cuba, I gonna start packing my bags.

re: #184 Silhouette

That's what I was wondering as well-I guess there is no limit really to how far "left" they go on this.

Lunch.. BBL

re: #180 Dianna

So you are saying it is better to act now and take a chance on Carter Act 2?

I would rather let McCain look like the foreign policy expert and improve his election prospects than risk a long term disaster.

re: #167 de La Valette

Link please!

re: #173 dnc_hindenburg

Last time I checked, Bush wasn't running for re-election. McCain wouldn't get hurt by any action on our part (though, to be coldly political about this, whatever Russia does and we don't respond to DOES help McCain in the polls).
But at what point does the current CiC abrogate his duties to his allies without fear of consequences?
What do we do if Russia is stupid enough to attack the Ukraine or Poland? And all of our "jaw-jaw" is just encouraging Putin to do something in the Ukraine and/or Poland.

You might be able to glean a little bit of information here and there on this website, it seems to update fairly quickly. I have no idea where it's hosted from, Georgia itself? Georgian Times

re: #169 buzzsawmonkey

re: #154 scottishbuzzsaw

The blatancy with which it is being advocated is--as is the open disregard for any sort of honesty.

Forgive my snark. Having been surrounded by family members who have been living and breathing this strategy for decades, it didn't appear either new or blatant, but rather business as usual.

re: #194 Kenneth

Definitely appropriate use of scare quotes for "lost". Sort of like Madeline Albright "discovering" she was JOOOOOOISH. Wow. Imagine that.

re: #124 dnc_hindenburg

Your statement would be a lie.

NATO has no intention of helping Georgia.

Perhaps not all of NATO but Georgia was given a roadmap to membership which puts them on the way. This was the same thing they were denied this past spring. This allows NATO members to assist Georgia in building up the infrastructure needed to meet the membership demands. In practical terms, this means military equipment, etc..

I do enjoy seeing UK and US moonbats echoing talking point.

Nick Brown, Labor party deputy chief whip:

"Cameron urges Nato to admit Georgia. Nato is a mutual defence pact. This position will have gone down very well in Tbilisi, but do we really mean to commit ourselves to an all-out war against the Russian Federation if something like this happens again? I don't favour that approach and I don't know anyone who does," Brown wrote.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

I love it when their masks slip and they show the world what self centered greedy cowards they are.

re: #192 Dustoff-507

LOL

re: #42 CommonCents

To anyone who's read Solzhenitsyn, Lavrov's "just admit" part has to bring up all kinds of recollections. Old-line KGB interrogators, for instance, saying "just admit that you made a mistake, and you can go free". Easily predictable outcome.

Well it's been grand as usual all y'all but I gotta go mush some lunch now.
Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Speaking of non-existent cease fires;

Rocket fire prompts Israel to shut Gaza border

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A rocket fired from the Gaza Strip landed in southern Israel on Tuesday, prompting the Jewish state to order border crossings with the Hamas-ruled enclave closed temporarily, Israel Radio reported.

An Israeli army spokesman said the rocket landed in an open field near the border with the Gaza Strip. It caused no injuries or damage.

re: #165 WriterMom

OT: Democrats Move Left on Abortion

Interseting article & the Democrats are just being Democrats.
Still it does not seem like this election will have a lot to do with abortion. It looks like Security & the Economy.
But, Infanticide is another story. The Dems can put all the lipstick they want on Barrys actions in the Illinois Senate to scuttle the effort to protect full birth babies, but it is still a pig.
the story needs to be told often & accurately.

re: #189 galloping granny

Well, there is strategic surprise and there is tactical surprise. That's the problem with our response so far. Long on short-term tactics, and short on long-term strategy.

Where is George Keenan when you need him?

re: #178 tfc3rid

Fox News Alert...

RUSSIA SAYS RESPONSE TO U.S. MISSILE SHIELD DEAL WITH POLAND WILL GO BEYOND DIPLOMACY

This might work out really well for Mac. You know, things have flipped so much on the world stage (ah, Rove! what a global manipulator) the Obamites might just be unnerved enough to choose Hillary in their panic.

Don't all of those pipelines that made Russia and Putin's clan so rich run through Poland?

Wonder if there is a nice spigot to turn; would get both Western Europe and Russia's attention.

re: #198 dnc_hindenburg

I am of the opinion that leaving Georgia's dismemberment standing is even more dangerous.

And there is no way, after listening to Obama talking about Russia, that the American people will vote for him.

Bush should do what he can to slap Russia back down.

I don't understand why are Russians still allowed to keep a "Peacekeeping force" in the region?

Wouldn't the recent conflict disqualify them right from the beginning?

re: #199 Kenneth

jamestown.org

Anybody notice some Russian "soldiers" wearing running and sport shoes. Not all of them, some of them. I don't think they are Russian "soldiers" at all.
Russia can't have a shortage of combat boots; or are they hard up like they were in WWII where the Soviets scavenged boots off dead Germans?

re: #186 Shug

Putin just needs a haircut. He'll feel much better about a polish missile shield after a nice haircut

Where do you propose to cut? At the neck?

re: #178 tfc3rid

That might be a good thing. Someone needs to force some action in this situation.

Taquiya from the Left... No wonder they have a soft spot for Islamists.

re: #143 Killgore Trout

re: #183 dnc_hindenburg
Sorry, just had to mention this. Funny how your nic starts with dnc and as to your "vital statistics"

Registered since: Sep 10, 2004 at 9:10 am

No. of comments posted: 43
No. of links posted: 0

So, really, who's sockpuppet are you?

re: #186 Shug

Putin just needs a haircut. He'll feel much better about a polish missile shield after a nice haircut

We can give him a nice, precision buzzcut with the business end of a Tomahawk missile.....

re: #166 JHW

... It looks like the Georgian main forces escaped getting caught in a bag, and have withdrawn to places they can defend better (southern mountains ? )..

That's exactly what happened. The "dog that didn't bark" in this adventure was the lack of a pitched battle. The Georgians wisely got away. Now Russia has to deal with coming guerrilla attacks. The Georgians will need to push back the Russian air cover (stingers) and hit their armor (javelins). The Russians will respond with rocket fire on Tbilisi. If the US can provide satellite co-ordinates, Georgian artillery can take out the rocket launchers.

Actually, what if the US flew Polish "peacekeepers" in?

Would the Russians shoot down US planes?

re: #214 Sir Napsalot

Yes, but who is going to do something about it?

re: #20 Nevergiveup

Is there a town called "pissed on" by any chance?

Close. there an Indian Town in NJ called Pis-Cat-away

re: #200 realwest

Last time I checked, Bush wasn't running for re-election. McCain wouldn't get hurt by any action on our part (though, to be coldly political about this, whatever Russia does and we don't respond to DOES help McCain in the polls).
But at what point does the current CiC abrogate his duties to his allies without fear of consequences?
What do we do if Russia is stupid enough to attack the Ukraine or Poland? And all of our "jaw-jaw" is just encouraging Putin to do something in the Ukraine and/or Poland.

I could be wrong, but if the Russians attack Poland, I do believe that we are at war.

re: #216 right_on_target

Those are those paramilitaries and "volunteers" from Chechnya and South Ossetia, a terror to civilian populations.

re: #218 Killgore Trout

That might be a good thing. Someone needs to force some action in this situation.

Yeah but do we honestly want action in this manner... Me don't thinky so...

I have no doubts that missiles will arrive in Cuba and Venezuela shortly...

re: #212 de La Valette

Don't all of those pipelines that made Russia and Putin's clan so rich run through Poland?

Wonder if there is a nice spigot to turn; would get both Western Europe and Russia's attention.

Poland doesn't have nukes.

re: #211 runrabbitrun

This might work out really well for Mac. You know, things have flipped so much on the world stage (ah, Rove! what a global manipulator) the Obamites might just be unnerved enough to choose Hillary in their panic.

I was just reading this article at WSJ about the Dems radically altering their platform to move way left on abortion. This is going to cost them in a HUGE way.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Back to work. Grrr.

re: #226 opnion
See my #220 - now I'm outta here!

re: #228 tfc3rid

Yeah but do we honestly want action in this manner... Me don't thinky so...

I have no doubts that missiles will arrive in Cuba and Venezuela shortly...

Gee I really hope not.

re: #18 Nevergiveup

Putin is the whole show over there.

He's like Chavez, only a lot slicker. Plus, he has a front man - Medvedev.

re: #226 opnion

I could be wrong, but if the Russians attack Poland, I do believe that we are at war.

Russia I would imagine still has it in for Poland, since that is where Pope John Paul II was from and the great freedom protests led by Lech Walesa... I don't think Mother Russia has forgotten what Poland did to her...

re: #169 buzzsawmonkey

re: #154 scottishbuzzsaw

The blatancy with which it is being advocated is--as is the open disregard for any sort of honesty.

The real challenge is for a Kos Kid to actually find someone stupid enough to believe anything they say, as they are typically the stupidest fool on the block.

re: #216 right_on_target

Anybody notice some Russian "soldiers" wearing running and sport shoes. Not all of them, some of them. I don't think they are Russian "soldiers" at all.
Russia can't have a shortage of combat boots; or are they hard up like they were in WWII where the Soviets scavenged boots off dead Germans?

Or it could simply be a discipline issue.

re: #225 soccerdad

Close. there an Indian Town in NJ called Pis-Cat-away

Those are instructions for getting rid of the cat.......in Indian

re: #204 Wendya

re: #214 Sir Napsalot

I don't understand why are Russians still allowed to keep a "Peacekeeping force" in the region?

I don't think "allowed" has anything to do with it.

re: #237 The Other Les

Or it could simply be a discipline issue.

Those were the South Ossetian irregulars.

re: #216 right_on_target

Anybody notice some Russian "soldiers" wearing running and sport shoes. Not all of them, some of them. I don't think they are Russian "soldiers" at all.
Russia can't have a shortage of combat boots; or are they hard up like they were in WWII where the Soviets scavenged boots off dead Germans?

Wouldn't suprise me if they did have a lack of combat boots. It wouldn't be the first time Russia lacked supplies going into war. They did it in both WWI and WWII. Shoot, they even had a lack of rifles.

re: #216 right_on_target

Anybody notice some Russian "soldiers" wearing running and sport shoes. Not all of them, some of them. I don't think they are Russian "soldiers" at all.
Russia can't have a shortage of combat boots; or are they hard up like they were in WWII where the Soviets scavenged boots off dead Germans?

My brother (ex-Army) would say, "Oh, you mean like zoomies?"

/air force

Poland is a full member of NATO so if Russia attacks Poland then NATO must assist militarily. In other words if NATO means anything then it's war.

This suggests that Mr. Medvedev may not be in charge of the military.

Wonder who is.

And who, precisely, has the magic football.

And if it is safe and in control of a rational leader.

Russia needs to think, carefully, about its actions. And the impressions they give others. About the stability of its arsenal.

re: #220 realwest

Bite me.

I don't normally post from work but I can see a good site devolving into self-parody here.

Sock-puppet..yea.

re: #246 kafir

And who, precisely, has the magic football.

DUH.

Charles.

re: #212 de La Valette

Very interesting! One route goes through Poland, another through Ukraine & Slovakia. Hmmmm....

re: #230 galloping granny

I was just reading this article at WSJ about the Dems radically altering their platform to move way left on abortion. This is going to cost them in a HUGE way.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

how can they go any further left (anti-life)? sanction killing children until age 10?

re: #225 soccerdad

Close. there an Indian Town in NJ called Pis-Cat-away

As featured in the lyrics to "Gimme Shelter":

War, children
it's just Piscataway
it's just Piscataway

re: #246 kafir

This suggests that Mr. Medvedev may not be in charge of the military.

Wonder who is.

And who, precisely, has the magic football.

And if it is safe and in control of a rational leader.

Russia needs to think, carefully, about its actions. And the impressions they give others. About the stability of its arsenal.

Agreed... Why is russia marching down this seemingly suicidal path? What the hell is going on over there...

And yes, I think the more they say and the more they do, they ARE marching down the road to suicide...

re: #190 Dianna

I cannot call a friend of my mother's by her first name. I just can't, even though the lady was never one of my teachers. My mom insisted on good manners, and good manners do not include children addressing adults by their first time.

Maybe it's a New Orleans thing.

All my kid's friends call me Miss Pulchritude.

re: #172 Silhouette

The Russians do seem to want a shooting war with the United States, don't they? Speak loudly and carry a little stick is the watchword of drunks everywhere.

re: #250 Vergeltung

I wasn't going to say it-but you know exactly where it could lead...more active 'assisted' deaths.

re: #242 Honorary Yooper

Wouldn't suprise me if they did have a
lack of combat boots. It wouldn't be the first time Russia lacked
supplies going into war. They did it in both WWI and WWII. Shoot, they
even had a lack of rifles.

I'm reading a book about Gallipoli & the Turks didn't have shoes, or a change of clothes - sandbags for entrenchments were cut apart to use as patches for their clothes.

re: #235 tfc3rid

Russia I would imagine still has it in for Poland, since that is where Pope John Paul II was from and the great freedom protests led by Lech Walesa... I don't think Mother Russia has forgotten what Poland did to her...

I don't think the people of Poland have forgotten what the various manifestations (Romanov and Soviet) of the Russian Empire have done to them.

re: #250 Vergeltung

how can they go any further left (anti-life)? sanction killing children until age 10?

They took out the "safe, legal and rare" wording. And they took out the statement of conscience that allowed people to disagree. Among other changes.

re: #242 Honorary Yooper

Wouldn't suprise me if they did have a lack of combat boots. It wouldn't be the first time Russia lacked supplies going into war. They did it in both WWI and WWII. Shoot, they even had a lack of rifles.

it was a miracle they survived. And I think miracle is spelled "Lend Lease"

re: #231 Dianna

Back to work. Grrr.

Doesn't it always feel as if the timeclock calls just when the news is getting really interesting?

(have a good afternoon anyway...)

re: #228 tfc3rid

I have no doubts that missiles will arrive in Cuba and Venezuela shortly...

I really don't think so. They don't have the hemispheric reach to back that up.

re: #116 realwest

Oh, and btw all y'all - I've said all I can say about the Russia/Georgia thing. Apparently not enough people think going into shooting down Russian planes, sinking Russian Navy ships and using US airpower to take out Russian supply lines and armor is worth it - well, I guess except for those who recognize that Georgia is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, AND AN ALLY OF THE U.S. IN IRAQ.

If the U.S. doesn't help out, Georgia is done for and democracy suffers a defeat - and what the hell will the U.S. do if Russia "roughs up" the Ukraine?

I'm with you, There are times you stand, stand for what is right, for what you believe, stand with your friends. You put your fear in a box and STAND!

If we don't stand up for Georgia, who will stand up for?
The world is watching. All those little countries are watching, the message of not standing is YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN!

If we don't stand up now, when?
Ukraine?
Poland?
German?
England?
Ourselves?

We are an idea, our national identity is not race, religion, it's and idea. Georgia is embracing our idea! We either stand for or idea or risk losing it all.

We delayed in WWII until it was almost too late.
The stakes of delay are higher now, delay more costly.

Can I just say what a rip off the Body Shop is? I was looking for a gift and I was shocked by their prices. I know this has nothing to do with the topic, but does anyone else find their prices outrageous?