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Giuliani to Give Keynote at GOP Convention

Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:30:16 pm PDT

Featured keynote speaker at the Republican Convention: Rudy Giuliani.

Former New York City mayor and presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani will be the keynote speaker at the Republican National Convention, which begins Monday, September 1st. His Tuesday night address will follow primetime speeches from Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney and Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, who are seen as two of the most likely candidates to become John McCain’s running mate, were not granted primetime speaking slots. Romney is currently slated to speak on Wednesday, Sept 3rd, while Pawlenty is scheduled to join Charlie Crist, Sam Brownback and Mel Martinez to address the convention on Thursday, Sept. 4th, before McCain’s convention-closing address.(The schedule could change.)

Whomever McCain selects as his running mate will give an address in primetime on Wednesday, along with Cindy McCain and Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindel.

Former Democrat Joe Lieberman and Vice President Dick Cheney will speak on the convention’s first day. They will be followed in primetime by California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush.

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1 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:30:39pm

Great choice. Go Rudy!

2 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:31:45pm

GO RUDY.

3 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:31:57pm

Good!

4 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:32:11pm

Thank God, they found a Republican to do it. I thought we were running out of them for a minute.

5 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:33:34pm

I have a funny feeling that Bobby Jindal will be McCain's VP choice.

6 FXArtist  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:35:07pm

Jindal would be a fantastic choice.

7 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:35:16pm

Keynote, paid on the chromatic scale.

8 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:35:28pm

There's going to be an awful lot of live-blogging going on in the next couple weeks.

9 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:35:37pm

re: #6 FXArtist

Jindal would be a fantastic choice.

Huh?

The Intelligent Design backer?

No way.

10 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:35:52pm

He can string five words together in a row, AND he doesn't showboat like a Navy battle group on parade. He's an improvement from the current crop of prominent RepugnithugliKKKans, that's for sure...

I suggest Megadeth's "Peace Sells" for the convention theme...

/only partly kidding

11 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:36:34pm

Corsi on Fox.

/Skeletor actually beat him up pretty good, now it's Hannity for the rehab

12 ted  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:36:56pm

Rudy's a fabulous choice.
America's Mayor.

13 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:36:56pm

I wish Rudy were our nominee but I hope this does not mean he is the VP pick. McCain needs to select either a conservative like Hunter to energize the base. Or a woman like Palin to attract the Hillary supporters away from the Democrats. The last thing he needs is another male, centrist Republican, like himself.

14 BGOH  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:37:24pm

Great to hear! I'm also thrilled to hear that Sarah Palin will be given a place of honor at the convention. I truly believe that she is a future leader of the GOP, and it is good to see her getting a prime time slot!

Now, it would be nice if CBS could spell JindAl's name right...

15 Macker  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:37:53pm

What about Michael Steele? Here's his 'I Love Puppies" ad!

16 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:38:37pm

Are we going to get Zell Miller again? That was a moment to remember. "Nothing makes this old marine madder...."

17 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:38:46pm

Rudy would make a natural choice for Attorney General in a McCain administration.

18 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:38:58pm

Finally, all of us who were saying RUDY RUDY RUDY! will have an actual reason to say RUDY RUDY RUDY!

19 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:39:01pm

re: #13 Neo Con since 9-11

Or a woman like Palin to attract the Hillary supporters away from the Democrats.

Democracy Republic, whiskey, sexy!

20 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:39:30pm

re: #16 cliffster

Are we going to get Zell Miller again? That was a moment to remember. "Nothing makes this old marine madder...."

It was the epitome of "barn-burner". I have it saved.

21 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:40:01pm

re: #13 Neo Con since 9-11

I wish Rudy were our nominee but I hope this does not mean he is the VP pick. McCain needs to select either a conservative like Hunter to energize the base. Or a woman like Palin to attract the Hillary supporters away from the Democrats. The last thing he needs is another male, centrist Republican, like himself.

Lieberman would cause many heads to explode. Hence, he is my choice.

22 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:41:58pm

I'm still operating on my theory that the closer to the center a ticket is, the better its chance of winning. If McCain, a centrist Republican, chooses Lieberman, a centrist (former) Democrat, it would be like a quasar of centrism, expelling Obamatons to the fringes of the known universe.

23 Panhandler  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:42:03pm

re: #21 zombie

Lieberman would cause many heads to explode. Hence, he is my choice.


Too many of your current friends moving away? Trying to increase the size of the Zombie Bloc?

24 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:42:13pm

re: #16 cliffster

Are we going to get Zell Miller again? That was a moment to remember. "Nothing makes this old marine madder...."

With what? SPITBALLS!

What a great speech that was.

25 Hucbald  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:43:22pm

So, conservatives have been completely shut out then?

Whatever, they're all lawyers anyway. Sub-human scum without honor.

26 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:43:33pm

Arnold is part of the festivities? Shit, dude might as well be a Dem. Sheesh.

27 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:43:53pm

re: #22 zombie

I'm still operating on my theory that the closer to the center a ticket is, the better its chance of winning. If McCain, a centrist Republican, chooses Lieberman, a centrist (former) Democrat, it would be like a quasar of centrism, expelling Obamatons to the fringes of the known universe.

You may be right, but it would be a heck of a gamble.

28 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:44:04pm

Palin speaking on Tuesday doesn't "eliminate" her as a possibility, does it?

I find it weird that the VP choice would speak TWICE at the convention.

29 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:44:13pm

Mandy Manners will be feeling an Chris Matthews like tingle in her leg.

30 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:44:39pm

re: #25 Hucbald

So, conservatives have been completely shut out then?

How do you define conservative? Thats a word that doesn't really mean much anymore.

31 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:44:41pm

re: #21 zombie

Lieberman would cause many heads to explode. Hence, he is my choice.

I respect Lieberman even though I don't agree with him on most issues. The problem is McCain is likely a one termer and when he retires his VP has the advantages of incumbency. If McCain chooses Lieberman and he does retire in 2012 that leaves us with a Democrat in a very strong chance of winning the 2012 election.

32 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:44:49pm

re: #22 zombie

I'm still operating on my theory that the closer to the center a ticket is, the better its chance of winning. If McCain, a centrist Republican, chooses Lieberman, a centrist (former) Democrat, it would be like a quasar of centrism, expelling Obamatons to the fringes of the known universe.

As they say in Texas, the only thing in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos.

33 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:45:16pm

re: #22 zombie

I'm still operating on my theory that the closer to the center a ticket is, the better its chance of winning. If McCain, a centrist Republican, chooses Lieberman, a centrist (former) Democrat, it would be like a quasar of centrism, expelling Obamatons to the fringes of the known universe.

Um. no.

/it's a big loser ticket, even the Bonkeys don't like Lieberman

34 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:46:23pm

Well, since Mandy doesn't seem to be out here, I'll do it!
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

I too hope for a Rudy VP selection! As for Joe Lieberman, wouldn't he have to change parties (I know he's and Independent, but he caucuses with the Dems in the Senate)?!

35 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:46:42pm

re: #14 BGOH

Great to hear! I'm also thrilled to hear that Sarah Palin will be given a place of honor at the convention. I truly believe that she is a future leader of the GOP, and it is good to see her getting a prime time slot!

Now, it would be nice if CBS could spell JindAl's name right...

MOOSEBURGERS!

36 SpartanWoman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:47:03pm

McCain could pick the rogue monkey of Tokyo as VP and I would vote for him. Hell, he could even choose Hillary and I would still stand on line to vote for him. Obama is just too dangerous a choice for me to say "sorry, lousy VP pick so I'm voting for the weather underground/sds candidate".

Honestly, I can not think of a possible choice that would offend me enough to either irresponsibly stay home or vote for the O.

Keep the chump change, Barry

37 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:47:34pm

Obama/Leiberman!

/save McCain from himself

38 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:47:50pm

I didn't see Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan on that list of speakers. Whats up with that?
/

39 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:47:51pm

re: #31 Neo Con since 9-11

I respect Lieberman even though I don't agree with him on most issues. The problem is McCain is likely a one termer and when he retires his VP has the advantages of incumbency. If McCain chooses Lieberman and he does retire in 2012 that leaves us with a Democrat in a very strong chance of winning the 2012 election.

That would be true if Lieberman was a Democrat. You forgot that he quit the party, and is officially independent.

I would love to see an independent win the Presidency. Anything to break this onerous two-party system.

40 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:47:54pm

Draft Sarah Palin for VP!

Eye candy with BRAINS!

(Sorry, zombie, hers is still working. Not zombie-food. Try Hillary or Nancy or Helen Thomas instead...)

41 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:48:04pm

re: #25 Hucbald
"they're all lawyers anyway. Sub-human scum without honor."
I say this in all sincerity: Fuck you!

42 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:48:53pm

RINO/DINO?

/please

43 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:49:38pm

re: #36 SpartanWoman

McCain could pick the rogue monkey of Tokyo as VP and I would vote for him. Hell, he could even choose Hillary and I would still stand on line to vote for him. Obama is just too dangerous a choice for me to say "sorry, lousy VP pick so I'm voting for the weather underground/sds candidate".

Honestly, I can not think of a possible choice that would offend me enough to either irresponsibly stay home or vote for the O.

Keep the chump change, Barry

What if he picks Obama? What would happen then? Wouldn't, like, the universe crack into pieces or something?

44 kefirah  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:49:40pm

re: #39 zombie

i agree with you re: two-party system, but since we operate with a "first past the post" voting paradigm, i doubt the two-party system is going anywhere.

which makes me quite sad.

and i'm feeling conflicted about lieberman [one second i love the idea, the next second not so much] - but would be THRILLED with rudy.

45 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:49:40pm

re: #32 Colonel Panik

As they say in Texas, the only thing in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos.

re: #33 Killian Bundy

Um. no.

/it's a big loser ticket, even the Bonkeys don't like Lieberman

I beg to differ. The electorate is in a Bell curve. The vast majority of voters are in the middle.

46 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:49:44pm

re: #39 zombie

Independent's can't govern.

Jesse "the Meathead" Ventura ended up being the bitch of the local Democrats.

47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:49:53pm
His Tuesday night address will follow primetime speeches from Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

To me, that would seem to rule out any of those 3 being VP choices. Just my opinion.

48 kefirah  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:50:08pm

re: #41 realwest

amen. glad someone else took offense.

49 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:51:12pm

The Republican lineup is damned good and will help deflate any bounce that Obama might get the week before.

I like the image of heads exloding, much like Mars Attacks. But the election needs to be about Obama - as people scrutinize they say "no thanks" and are unlikely to go back.

50 Mr. E. Train  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:51:21pm

I want Lieberman for Sec of State, not VP. It would almost be worth it though to watch the 'sploding moonbat heads.

51 esch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:51:57pm

re: #25 Hucbald

Whatever, they're all lawyers anyway. Sub-human scum without honor.

Many lawyers are bad. I've had the pleasure of knowing some fine, decent ones.

The ones that scare me are bad doctors, they can screw you up way worse than a bad lawyer. I've met a frightening amount of them.

52 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:01pm

re: #39 zombie

I would love to see an independent win the Presidency. Anything to break this onerous two-party system.

Me too. But by design, thats just about impossible.

The Presidential candidate has to win a majority, not a plurality of electoral votes. If no one wins a majority of the electoral votes, then it gopes to the House where each State's representatives get one single vote and to win a candidate would need to win 26 States. It is close to impossible for a 3rd Party candidate to ever be President.

53 Lawrior  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:05pm

re: #9 victor_yugo

Jindal had some promise, though I have cooled on him. I was very excited about him until the ID issue, followed by the pay hike flap.

I think it is far too early to grant Jindal the nod for VP. Just because the Dems have gone with a candidate of limited experience does not mean that we follow suit. I think we can look to Jindal in a few years, when it is more apparent how he has cleaned up Louisiana.

54 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:21pm

re: #36 SpartanWoman

McCain could pick the rogue monkey of Tokyo as VP and I would vote for him. Hell, he could even choose Hillary and I would still stand on line to vote for him. Obama is just too dangerous a choice for me to say "sorry, lousy VP pick so I'm voting for the weather underground/sds candidate".

Honestly, I can not think of a possible choice that would offend me enough to either irresponsibly stay home or vote for the O.

EXACTLY!

No matter who McCain picks, HE WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE. If he therefore picks a centrist VP, he will pick up centrist voters, which will put him over the top.

Seriously, how many conservatives will sit home and mope and purposely let Obama win because they're dissatisfied with the Republican VP? Not bloody many, I envision.

55 Zimriel  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:23pm

McCain needs executive experience, for the country's sake as well as his own. That rules out another Senator like Lieberman. And he needs someone brave (not Jindal) and competent (not Huckabee).

If he chooses Giuliani he may as well appoint the skeletons of Theodore Roosevelt and Bismarck to his cabinet. It'll be four years of nationalist progressive "bully" B.S., ugh. What's more, the Democrats will campaign against that ticket ("war, war, war, war, neocon, war"). Giuliani would be a perfect AG though.

I'd like Palin but I will settle for Romney.

56 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:29pm

Sad thing is that I can't even think of a Republican that I'd like like McCain to select for VP.

57 SpartanWoman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:35pm

re: #43 cliffster

What if he picks Obama? What would happen then? Wouldn't, like, the universe crack into pieces or something?

Yep, even if he picked an obama, McCain would be my choice...of course it would have to be Michelle who despite her anger and gaffes is less dangerous than her husband.

But that is as likely as BHO choosing Jeb Bush or Huckabee

58 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:53:03pm

re: #45 zombie

I beg to differ. The electorate is in a Bell curve. The vast majority of voters are in the middle.

Which in my mind means they don't have strong convictions regarding much of anything. It's a shame.

59 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:53:21pm

re: #45 zombie

I beg to differ. The electorate is in a Bell curve. The vast majority of voters are in the middle.

Lieberman is as left as they come on every issue except the war.

/sorry, Republicans aren't buying it

60 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:53:24pm

re: #39 zombie

Lieberman didn't quit the Democrats. They threw him out along with me and every other sane individual. Still you are right. I too would love to see an Independent win the white house.

61 kefirah  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:53:42pm

re: #53 Lawrior

glad to see you finally posting.

the party needs to keep jindal "in spring training" - much like the democrats could have and should have done with obamessiah. season him, get him the ever-dreaded experience - and then unleash him.

62 maddogg  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:53:44pm

I saw Rudy Giuliani speak in Little Rock a month or so ago. He is a very relaxed speaker in front of thousands of people. He will do well.

63 pat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:54:13pm

I like Giuliani.

64 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:54:15pm

re: #45 zombie But as I asked above, wouldn't Lieberman have to drop the Independent and become a Republican, even in in name only?
I'd personally rather have Rudy, but if not Rudy, then someone like Sarah Palin.

65 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:54:44pm

Bolton for Sec State or Ambassador to UN?
Lieberman for Sec State or UN Ambassador or Ambassador to Israel?
Petreaus, to valuable in Iraq or can he clean out the DoD...
Cheney, back to DoD or to the DoE...
Secretary of Education, this is a post IMHAO more important than any other Cabinet position, Palin?

66 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:54:51pm

re: #42 Killian Bundy

RINO/DINO?

/please

We could call it the DRINO ticket.

Personally, since they're both "in name only," I see that as a plus in most voters' eyes. Most people are sick of the two leading parties, and their monopoly.

67 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:55:05pm

re: #54 zombie

Seriously, how many conservatives will sit home and mope and purposely let Obama win because they're dissatisfied with the Republican VP? Not bloody many, I envision.

/pick Lieberman as VP and you'll find out real damn quick

68 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:55:14pm

re: #54 zombie

Except for the "creative destruction" type of conservatives, who feel that the only way for conservative governance to be restored eventually is to have us all be reduced to utter serfdom for a while. I find little comfort in that theory, personally, but I do hear it being espoused.

69 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:55:36pm

re: #40 victor_yugo

Draft Sarah Palin for VP!

Eye candy with BRAINS!

(Sorry, zombie, hers is still working. Not zombie-food. Try Hillary or Nancy or Helen Thomas instead...)

How about Megyn Kelly?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133828,00.html

70 kefirah  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:56:16pm

re: #65 kuffar

in my mind, it would be FAR more satisfactory to have lieberman as secretary of state. then you can rest assured he won't undermine your secretary of defense with obsequious attempts at "diplomacy," because that's the realm where lieberman and we republicans see eye to eye - the war on terror is legitimate and must continue.

plus, then the saudis have to shake his hand.

and that mental image makes me smile.

71 SpartanWoman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:56:52pm

re: #54 zombie

EXACTLY!

No matter who McCain picks, HE WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE. If he therefore picks a centrist VP, he will pick up centrist voters, which will put him over the top.

Seriously, how many conservatives will sit home and mope and purposely let Obama win because they're dissatisfied with the Republican VP? Not bloody many, I envision.

I'm pretty conservative and I know the difference between the President and the VP, I suspect most other conservatives know this difference too. The likelihood of ending up with President Lieberman or Guiliani because they were VP is small but sitting home or voting for Barr or even Obama himself out of spite will make a dem presidency a reality

72 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:57:13pm

re: #56 Ringo the Gringo

Sad thing is that I can't even think of a Republican that I'd like like McCain to select for VP.

That is my problem as well. We're of a mind on this.

73 Mr. E. Train  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:57:15pm

re: #39 zombie

Yep, The Moonbats hate Lieberman with a passion. It would be like the Right suddenly voting for Chuck Hagle for POTUS.

74 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:58:08pm

re: #54 zombie

I agree with your analysis. Whoever owns the center will win.

75 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:58:48pm

re: #66 zombie

We could call it the DRINO ticket.

"Don't drink the DRINO."

re: #69 cliffster

How about Megyn Kelly?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1338 28,00.html

Nope. The VP candidate needs to know how to work within the system. She's an outsider.

76 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:59:02pm

McCain/Palin '08!

77 SpartanWoman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:59:06pm

McCain/Clinton 08..........now there's an end to the glo-bama for ever.

78 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:59:20pm

re: #72 zombie

Face it, there aren't many well-known Republicans out there that appeal to anyone. That's not to say there aren't any--it's just that they're still in the background.

79 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:00:04pm

re: #40 victor_yugo

Draft Sarah Palin for VP!

Eye candy with BRAINS!

(Sorry, zombie, hers is still working. Not zombie-food. Try Hillary or Nancy or Helen Thomas instead...)

I don't know much about Sarah Palin. Can you fill me in?

80 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:00:24pm

re: #76 DesertSage

McCain/Palin '08!

It'd set the stage for the first woman President, a Republican to boot. I like it. Just, I never heard her until her name started getting floated as a Veep...

81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:00:31pm

re: #78 calcajun

Face it, there aren't many well-known Republicans out there that appeal to anyone. That's not to say there aren't any--it's just that they're still in the background.

Well known Republican?

McCain/Voight '08?

82 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:00:32pm

re: #58 Cartman

Which in my mind means they don't have strong convictions regarding much of anything. It's a shame.

True. They have no convictions. And yet, they vote. They decide elections. They vote for Reagan one year, then Clinton twelve years later. They have no core beliefs. Hard as it may be for us to imagine, centrism and "not standing for anything" actually are a plus for many voters. Hell, Arnold won the governorship here, and he stands for nothing except big muscles. McClintock was a better conservative, Bustamente a more demented liberal. And Arnie stomped 'em both.

Centrism. It's the new pink.

83 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:01:25pm

re: #72 zombie

That is my problem as well. We're of a mind on this.

I really do like Michael Steele - he's my kind of Republican - but his resume is just too thin....and people would think he was selected just because he's black.

84 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:01:31pm

re: #77 SpartanWoman

McCain/Clinton 08..........now there's an end to the glo-bama for ever.

That ticket lends a whole new meaning to holding your nose in the voting booth. More like throwing up in your mouth a little, whilst pulling the lever.

85 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:01:51pm

She has nice legs and she likes motorcycles. That's good enough for me.

86 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:01:59pm

re: #64 realwest

But as I asked above, wouldn't Lieberman have to drop the Independent and become a Republican, even in in name only?
I'd personally rather have Rudy, but if not Rudy, then someone like Sarah Palin.

Not sure about that. If McCain picks him, wouldn't the Party have to cave?

Sure, Rudy'd be OK with me too, but I doubt he'll get the nod.

87 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:02:11pm

re: #82 zombie

"Never underestimate the power of large numbers of stupid people"

88 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:02:20pm

re: #80 kuffar

Michael Palin--there's a thought.

The lady is not known outside of Alaska (where it's tougher). Think electoral politics. McCain needs to shore up the mid-west and there are only a few people that fit the bill. Tim Pawlenty is a good fit.

89 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:02:26pm

re: #84 Cartman

That ticket lends a whole new meaning to holding your nose in the voting booth. More like throwing up in your mouth a little, whilst pulling the lever.


More like throwing up on your shoes.

90 jcm  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:02:44pm

Since Mandy's not here.....

RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY

91 Stuck in california  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:03:03pm

Arnie is not GOP, keep him away!

92 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:03:25pm

re: #67 Killian Bundy

/pick Lieberman as VP and you'll find out real damn quick

I think we will indeed. 15 million conservatives will throw a fit and stay home. And 20 million centrists will suddenly vote for McCain.

93 esch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:03:26pm

re: #84 Cartman

Make sure to keep the booths well stocked in barf bags.

94 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:03:41pm

re: #88 calcajun

Michael Palin--there's a thought.

The lady is not known outside of Alaska (where it's tougher). Think electoral politics. McCain needs to shore up the mid-west and there are only a few people that fit the bill. Tim Pawlenty is a good fit.

Yeah, but I want the first Lady President to have an R after her name.

95 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:04:08pm

re: #85 DesertSage

She has nice legs and she likes motorcycles. That's good enough for me.

And guns. NRA member for years.

96 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:04:10pm

re: #89 Killer Tomato

More like throwing up on your shoes.

Yep

97 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:04:16pm

Another guy to look for filling a key spot in a McCain administration is Ryan C. Crocker, the US Ambassador to Iraq. He is the smartest and most respected person in the State Department and right up there with Ben Franklin as the greatest ever American diplomat.

98 esch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:04:52pm

Vote Cranky/Cankles 08!

99 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:08pm

re: #92 zombie

I think we will indeed. 15 million conservatives will throw a fit and stay home. And 20 million centrists will suddenly vote for McCain.

Yeah, but if McCain says vote for me and Lieberman because it will piss off the Demorats and Moonbats, will they vote just to see all the frothing at the mouth anger of the leftards? I would just to see the Kosmonkeys flinging poo from their cages...

100 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:13pm

re: #68 rawmuse

Except for the "creative destruction" type of conservatives, who feel that the only way for conservative governance to be restored eventually is to have us all be reduced to utter serfdom for a while. I find little comfort in that theory, personally, but I do hear it being espoused.

It's a terrible, terrible strategy.

Once you go left-totalitarian, you never come back. Just ask the Cubans. Just ask the Zimbabweans, Just ask the Chinese. Just ask the Burmese.

Not a good way to "learn a lesson."

101 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:15pm

re: #95 victor_yugo

And guns. NRA member for years.


And she cooks mooseburgers for her kids. Beats ecrueil frittes a la huckabee.

102 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:18pm

PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!
PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!
PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!
PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!
PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!
or Hunter

103 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:28pm

re: #92 zombie

I think we will indeed. 15 million conservatives will throw a fit and stay home. And 20 million centrists will suddenly vote for McCain.

A stay home voter costs one vote.

A defection costs the other guy 2.

104 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:41pm

re: #87 rawmuse

"Never underestimate the power of large numbers of stupid people"

It's,

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
105 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:48pm

re: #97 Mich-again

Another guy to look for filling a key spot in a McCain administration is Ryan C. Crocker, the US Ambassador to Iraq. He is the smartest and most respected person in the State Department and right up there with Ben Franklin as the greatest ever American diplomat.

Is he Betty's husband?

106 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:05pm

How 'bout ol' T. Boone Pickens?

/

107 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:09pm

re: #94 kuffar

Yeah, but I want the first Lady President to have an R after her name.

I want the first African American president to have an R next to their name....in honor of Abraham Lincoln.

108 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:23pm

re: #74 Mich-again

I agree with your analysis. Whoever owns the center will win.

Well, yes and no. It truly depends on the turnout. Dems already outnumber Republicans in terms of registered voters and with Obama - so far - the Dem base does seem to be a lot more energized.
The real battle is for the Independents - or at least those who say they are independents and McCain would have to take a huge % of them AND HAVE the Republican Base all on board with him.While that would seem to make Lieberman a lock,
I sincerely think enough "conservative" Repub's would not vote at all. Not because Lieberman is an Independent, but because he ran for VP on the Dem Ticket and so I think it's fair to ask where his priorities are and where his loyalties are: he STILL caucuses with the Dems in the Senate.
If not Sarah Palin (who would, I believe, soldify the Republican Base, with McCain himself appealing to the Idependents) then Romney.

109 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:41pm

re: #106 Cartman

RINO

110 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:43pm

re: #91 Stuck in california

Arnie is not GOP, keep him away!

RINOLD SCHWARZENKAISER

111 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:43pm

re: #5 Ringo the Gringo

I have a funny feeling that Bobby Jindal will be McCain's VP choice.

Jindal said no. He has his work to do at home ... what has changed?

112 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:07:01pm

By the way -

McCain camp blasted Obama on Ayers today ...

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

Head shot.

113 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:07:43pm

No matter who the next President is, we are going to get this agenda
1) global warming/carbon credits
2) close Gitmo
3) Amnesty for illegals
4) possible global taxation.

So, we've got Socialism or Socialism Lite.

114 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:07:52pm

re: #94 kuffar

You probably will--just not this time around. McCain looked "sprightly" on Saturday. He'll make it through a term.

115 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:08:07pm

re: #92 zombie

I think we will indeed. 15 million conservatives will throw a fit and stay home. And 20 million centrists will suddenly vote for McCain.

You wish.

/look, you walk out your front door and take photographs of things that would lead to mass arrests anywhere else in this country, think about it

116 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:08:07pm

re: #90 jcm

Since Mandy's not here.....

RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY

I was wondering if she was sleeping ... good on ya.

117 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:08:15pm

1. Sarah Palin
2. Mitt Romney
3. Duncan Hunter
4. Michael Steele

118 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:08:24pm

re: #109 calcajun

RINO

That's what the sarc tag was for.

119 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:08:42pm

re: #86 zombie No, actually zombie I think to run on the Republican Ticket as VP, Joe would have to "convert" legally.

120 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:09:00pm

re: #118 Cartman

It's late. I'm tired. So Sorry.

121 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:09:01pm

re: #104 calcajun

To whom is the quote properly attributed? I don't know.

122 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:09:02pm

I wasn't sure whether this was the place to reveal this about myself, but here goes.

Co-commenters, posters, reader and lurkers -- my friends -- I'm proud to announce that I've just received a call from my mentor and good friend John McCain.

I will be your Vice Presidential nominee.

McCain/'Nito '08.

Thank you for your support.

123 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:09:11pm

Don't forget, a lot of those "independents" are further to the right no some issues then McCain. I think some people here are making a mistake when they think all these umpty-ump million independents are nothing more than watered down donks.

McCain is centrist enough as it is. He needs to throw some red meat to his base. Some salmon or mooseburgers. SARAH PALIN!

124 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:09:11pm

Zombie - I updated my icon as an homage to 'splodin heads.

125 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:02pm

re: #121 rawmuse

Go to [Link: www.despair.com...]
[Link: despair.com...]

126 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:04pm

re: #90 jcm Uh, please see my #34! LOL!

127 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:07pm

re: #91 Stuck in california

Arnie is not GOP, keep him away!

Arnie is constitutionally ineliglble, anyway.

128 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:12pm

PIMF "on some issues".

129 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:32pm

re: #120 calcajun

Didn't mean to be cranky, there. My bad.

130 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:49pm

re: #129 Cartman

s'ok.

131 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:11:21pm

re: #122 Cognito

I wasn't sure whether this was the place to reveal this about myself, but here goes.

Co-commenters, posters, reader and lurkers -- my friends -- I'm proud to announce that I've just received a call from my mentor and good friend John McCain.

I will be your Vice Presidential nominee.

McCain/'Nito '08.

Thank you for your support.

Now I'm gonna have to re access my support for McCain :(

132 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:11:27pm

re: #122 Cognito

I'll jump on board with that.
Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito!

133 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:12:09pm

Well, my boy here wants the computer for his games and I need to work on the getting the high blood pressure under control with the exercise bike--night lizards!

134 jcm  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:13:12pm

An Animals trial continues in the Northwest.

BOISE, Idaho (AP) - A boy who was kidnapped, tortured and shot by Joseph Edward Duncan III likely suffered excruciating pain before his death, a forensic pediatrician told jurors Wednesday.

[snip]

Duncan pleaded guilty in December to 10 federal counts in the 2005 kidnapping of the Coeur d'Alene-area children and the murder of the boy. A jury must decide whether Duncan should be executed or spend life in prison without parole.

Duncan, acting as his own attorney in the sentencing phase, suggested in cross-examining Cooper that the girl was exaggerating her brother's injury.

"How much in your experience do children tend to elaborate or exaggerate and fill in details ... especially after a traumatic experience like that?" Duncan asked.


***CAUTION DETAILS***
That should not be read by man or beast

135 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:13:26pm

I just cooked up a new bumper sticker in Photoshop.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

136 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:13:45pm

re: #111 Bobibutu

Jindal said no. He has his work to do at home ... what has changed?


His speaking position at the convention tells me some thing's up with him...just speculation.

137 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:03pm

re: #122 Cognito

I wasn't sure whether this was the place to reveal this about myself, but here goes.

Co-commenters, posters, reader and lurkers -- my friends -- I'm proud to announce that I've just received a call from my mentor and good friend John McCain.

I will be your Vice Presidential nominee.

McCain/'Nito '08.

Thank you for your support.

They'll have to rename it The Contrarian Party.

;)

138 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:10pm

NORTH, TO ALASKA! WE GO NORTH, THE RUSH IS ON!

139 jcm  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:29pm

re: #126 realwest

Uh, please see my #34! LOL!

LOL!
Completely scrolled past that!

Is that worth get out of one *whack* free card?

140 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:30pm

re: #119 realwest

No, actually zombie I think to run on the Republican Ticket as VP, Joe would have to "convert" legally.

Hmmm, interesting. That seriously decreases the chances of him accepting the spot, then. I doubt he would convert to R-dom.

141 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:42pm

re: #113 rawmuse

No matter who the next President is, we are going to get this agenda
1) global warming/carbon credits
2) close Gitmo
3) Amnesty for illegals
4) possible global taxation.

So, we've got Socialism or Socialism Lite.

Depend on tax increases or a decrease in benefits.

Because ...

The cost of security - national and international.

Seniors are living longer.

Social Security is almost toast.

Federal deficit.

142 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:51pm

re: #135 The Other Les

Okay--one more post.

Something kinky; The Story of "O" part II-- This time, we end up in bondage.

143 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:15:23pm

re: #124 karmic_inquisitor

Zombie - I updated my icon as an homage to 'splodin heads.

Nice!

144 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:15:23pm

re: #135 The Other Les

I just cooked up a new bumper sticker in Photoshop.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Not bad!

145 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:15:26pm

re: #100 zombie

BTW, did you see this new PBS special on the Cultural Revolution of China in the 1960s? It was called "Morning Glory". It was actually very critical of the commies! You could have knocked me over with a feather. It perfectly illustrated the Left and their tendency to eat their own.

146 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:16:09pm

re: #136 Ringo the Gringo

His speaking position at the convention tells me some thing's up with him...just speculation.

Well ... popcorn time anyway. ;-)

147 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:16:22pm

re: #105 Colonel Panik

He is the guy who wrote a report for President Bush before the Iraq war (A Perfect Storm) warning him that if Saddam Hussein were taken out, it would unleash a bloody sectarian war between the Shia and Sunni. It was discredited initially, but then later his analysis turned out to be 100% correct. GWB eventually realized Crocker knew what he was talking about so he asked him to be Ambassador and formulate the plan to fix the situation in Iraq. And since he took that job everything has indeed turned around.

148 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:17:48pm

re: #141 Bobibutu

Fiscally, we're fooked, yes.

149 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:04pm

re: #145 rawmuse

BTW, did you see this new PBS special on the Cultural Revolution of China in the 1960s? It was called "Morning Glory". It was actually very critical of the commies! You could have knocked me over with a feather. It perfectly illustrated the Left and their tendency to eat their own.

I heard about that. Amazing! A non-commie show on PBS. What's next: NPR ceasing to snicker snootily at right-wingers for one whole minute?

150 BGOH  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:12pm

Since we're having a veep conversation, I think it is important to bear in mind that it is important to bear in mind that whoever McCain picks as a VP should be a strong candidate for the nomination in 2012. If we're all honest with ourselves, John McCain is going to be a one term president (and I think he will announce just that at the convention), so whoever is his VP has a leg up in the next cycle. I hadn't thought about it until recently, but that brings Jindal and Palin back into play immediately, even though I had been operating under the assumption that they were just too young.

If either of them could help McCain win this year, with the experience that either will gain as VP will be invaluable in '12. I like either of them much better than any of the boring choices that have been mentioned so far (Pawlenty, Christ, etc.).

151 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:42pm

re: #148 rawmuse

Fiscally, we're fooked, yes.

Is that a cross between "flayed and cooked"?

Or "fraid and spooked"?

152 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:42pm

re: #148 rawmuse

Fiscally, we're fooked, yes.

ROGER THAT!

153 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:56pm

re: #108 realwest

I don't see massive numbers of Republican voters staying home and giving the election to Obama in protest. Like Geddy Lee said, If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

154 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:57pm

re: #142 calcajun

Okay--one more post.

Something kinky; The Story of "O" part II-- This time, we end up in bondage.

I must respectfully decline the request.

155 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:19:00pm

re: #87 rawmuse

"Never underestimate the power of large numbers of stupid people"

The saying I know is, "Beware of stupid people in large groups". Makes sense actually, the larger the group, the lower the collective I.Q.

156 coquimbojoe  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:19:15pm

re: #135 The Other Les

Nice work!

157 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:19:22pm

re: #151 victor_yugo

Is that a cross between "flayed and cooked"?

Or "fraid and spooked"?

It's Cockney for...you know the rest.

158 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:01pm

re: #151 victor_yugo

Should be pronounced with an Irish or Scots accent, for the proper effect.

159 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:26pm

re: #150 BGOH

Jindal is just too young. And inexperienced. I think McCain's VP will be scrutinized very carefully due to McCain's age. There is a real change he might not make it through 4 years.

Hey real! Good evening!

160 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:27pm

re: #155 BlueCanuck

The saying I know is, "Beware of stupid people in large groups". Makes sense actually, the larger the group, the lower the collective I.Q.

Group IQ = lowest IQ in group / number of ppl in group

161 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:32pm

re: #149 zombie

I heard about that. Amazing! A non-commie show on PBS. What's next: NPR ceasing to snicker snootily at right-wingers for one whole minute?

Didn't someone get fired for standing up for the National Anthem?

162 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:54pm

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I just HAVE to get some sleep NOW!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

163 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:56pm

re: #150 BGOH

Sarah Palin, because every good man has a good woman behind him...

164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:21:07pm

re: #141 Bobibutu

Depend on tax increases or a decrease in benefits.

Because ...

The cost of security - national and international.

Seniors are living longer.

Social Security is almost toast.

Federal deficit.

Isn't it wonderful spending most of your adult life realizing they're taking your money for Social Security and by the time you get ready to collect it, you'll never see a fucking dime?

165 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:21:09pm

re: #147 Mich-again

Mich-again, I believe you are referring to Kenneth Pollack, who wrote "The threatening storm" [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

166 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:21:27pm

re: #150 BGOH

I like either of them much better than any of the boring choices that have been mentioned so far (Pawlenty, Christ, etc.).

If Christ is McCain's VP, he a lock to win!

167 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:22:01pm

PIMF

There is a real change chance he might not make it through 4 years.

/geez, now Obama's got me going!

168 jcm  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:22:26pm

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Isn't it wonderful spending most of your adult life realizing they're taking your money for Social Security and by the time you get ready to collect it, you'll never see a fucking dime?

If any corporate CEO ran a pension like SS they'd be enjoying stripped sunlight and Bubba's affection.

169 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:22:51pm

re: #166 DesertSage

If Christ is McCain's VP, he a lock to win!

And they won't run out of wine at the inauguration balls either.

170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:22:54pm

re: #160 victor_yugo

Group IQ = lowest IQ in group / number of ppl in group

2 of Kragar's Laws:

Stay away from large groups of people.

Stupidity is fatal.

171 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:23:29pm

re: #155 BlueCanuck

The saying I know is, "Beware of stupid people in large groups". Makes sense actually, the larger the group, the lower the collective I.Q.

If you listen to fools...

172 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:23:41pm

re: #159 Irene NYC

Jindal is just too young. And inexperienced. I think McCain's VP will be scrutinized very carefully due to McCain's age. There is a real change he might not make it through 4 years.

That's a pretty rough thing to say.. One man's 70 is another man's 45. Doctors say he checks out, heart is good, no reason to assume he's going to kick off. My dad is 74 and I'm not working on his obit.

173 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:24:03pm

re: #165 MrPaulRevere

No I wasn't thinking of Kenneth Pollack.

According to the book, Soldier: The Life of Colin Powell by Washington Post reporter Karen DeYoung, as the Bush administration was preparing for war with Iraq in late 2002, then Secretary of State, Colin Powell ordered Crocker and then Special Assistant to the Secretary of State, William Burns to prepare a secret memo examining the risks associated with a U.S. invasion of Iraq.[4] The six-page memo, titled "The Perfect Storm", stated that toppling Saddam Hussein could unleash long-repressed sectarian and ethnic tensions, that the Sunni minority would not easily relinquish power, and that powerful neighbors such as Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia would try to move in to influence events. It also cautioned that the United States would have to start from scratch building a political and economic system because Iraq's infrastructure was in tatters.
174 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:24:07pm

And don't forget the Jew Factor with Lieberman: currently 70% of Jews are planning to vote for Obama. With Lieberman running, I'd be willing to bet many of those will switch sides. Jews are only 2% of the US population, but likely more like 3% - 4% of the voters. A substantial enough swing could move 1 million votes away from Obama to McCain. And that could be enough to swing the entire election, considering how close they are these days.

But if Lieberman actually has to officially join the Republicans, then I suppose he'll never get picked.

175 BGOH  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:24:23pm

re: #166 DesertSage

Whoops! Well, I could certainly get behind THAT ticket!

That's officially my late night typo.

**embarassed**

176 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:24:35pm

re: #166 DesertSage

If Christ is McCain's VP, he a lock to win!

Charlie Crist? He has a skeleton lurking in the closet, a possible paternity case.

177 coquimbojoe  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:24:49pm

re: #157 zombie

It's Cockney for...you know the rest.

I thought it meant we had found Lee Ho Fook's...?

178 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:25:03pm

re: #169 Killer Tomato

And they won't run out of wine at the inauguration balls either.

I think it would be a good pick. They were boyhood friends, weren't they?

179 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:25:38pm

re: #159 Irene NYC

Jindal is just too young. And inexperienced. I think McCain's VP will be scrutinized very carefully due to McCain's age. There is a real change he might not make it through 4 years.

Hey real! Good evening!

And Hillary is maybe positioning herself for the next run as JMc will be a single term Pres.

It's going to be a hell of a battle in '12

180 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:25:45pm

re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth

I like this one. I loved it in the "Heavy Metal" movie. Perfect fit for the opening scene of the final part of the movie.

181 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:25:57pm

re: #162 realwest

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I just HAVE to get some sleep NOW!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

Ta dude.

182 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:26:09pm

re: #150 BGOH

Since we're having a veep conversation, I think it is important to bear in mind that it is important to bear in mind that whoever McCain picks as a VP should be a strong candidate for the nomination in 2012. If we're all honest with ourselves, John McCain is going to be a one term president (and I think he will announce just that at the convention), so whoever is his VP has a leg up in the next cycle. I hadn't thought about it until recently, but that brings Jindal and Palin back into play immediately, even though I had been operating under the assumption that they were just too young.

If either of them could help McCain win this year, with the experience that either will gain as VP will be invaluable in '12. I like either of them much better than any of the boring choices that have been mentioned so far (Pawlenty, Christ, etc.).

Is that smart to announce it right AT the convention? Americans like security. A lot of people would be wary of voting for someone who is limiting themselves to four years, dont you think?

183 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:26:25pm

I don't see the benefit in promising to only serve a single term. Why start off as a lame duck?

184 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:26:57pm

re: #173 Mich-again

My bad...I hate when that happens!

185 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:27:08pm

Rudy's my first choice for veep, especially now that Russia's gotten frisky. Rudy could pick right up immediately if McCain were ill or worse. Joe L would be a fab Sec State.

But the keynote speaker's never been the VP choice, I guess. sniffle. Pawlenty would be good, Mitt would be good, Mark Sanford would be good. If Obama picks old fart Sam Nunn, even Fred becomes a possibility. I like Palin and Jindal (except for the ID thing) but they are too young. with Russia getting frisky, VP is very important.

shrug, we'll see.

186 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:27:21pm

re: #183 rawmuse

I don't see the benefit in promising to only serve a single term. Why start off as a lame duck?

Better than starting off as a lame schmuck, which is Obama's situation.

187 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:27:34pm

re: #176 kuffar

Charlie Crist? He has a skeleton lurking in the closet, a possible paternity case.

No, not "Crist".......Christ!

Just messin' with ya, BGOH :')

188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:28:16pm

re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth

If you listen to fools...

Saw him in concert a few years ago. One of the best concerts I've ever been too. He took a break and his band played the 1812 overture till he got back on stage. It was awesome.

189 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:28:18pm

re: #178 DesertSage

I think it would be a good pick. They were boyhood friends, weren't they?

I think they were a couple of years apart at school. I'll ask my mother - she graduated around the same time.

190 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:28:32pm

re: #187 DesertSage

No, not "Crist".......Christ!

That would indeed be a brilliant winning strategy for McCain: Name Jesus Christ as his VP!

191 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:29:01pm

Mel Martinez is a sleeper VP candidate. I'm just sayin....

192 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:29:04pm

re: #183 rawmuse

I don't see the benefit in promising to only serve a single term. Why start off as a lame duck?

If he has the huevos to go 8 I'm all for it.

We never know till it happens.

193 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:29:50pm

re: #190 zombie

That would indeed be a brilliant winning strategy for McCain: Name Jesus Christ as his VP!

And then Barry would have to make a speech;

"This is not the Christ I knew."

And I'd believe him after he spent so long with Rev. Wright.

194 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:01pm

Pawlenty's not boring. He tore poor Kaine a new one on that Sunday morning show, and one reason some of the blue noses don't like him is that he likes to tell jokes sometimes. Ingraham and Malkin have a problem with that, it seems.

Lieberman is a more boring speaker, IMHO.

But Rudy is the gold standard. sniffle.

195 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:17pm

re: #174 zombie

70 percent of Jews to vote for Obama? Wow. Where do you get that number? Aside from the gray pony tail red diaper baby types, I don't know any.

196 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:23pm

re: #190 zombie

That would indeed be a brilliant winning strategy for McCain: Name Jesus Christ as his VP!

And if Putin had a problem with that, a whole lotta Russians would suddenly have lots o' problems with Putin!

197 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:26pm

re: #180 BlueCanuck

'Twas the one I was first looking for, but I got impatient. Great flick.

198 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:47pm

re: #187 DesertSage

No, not "Crist".......Christ!

McCain/Christ '08? A bit more sacriligious than Messiah/Other Dude '08.

199 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:49pm

My dad, who's a big donor thinks it's gonna be Crist. I hope he's wrong.

200 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:31:15pm

Check this out ... posted above

[Link: www.atlah.org...]

201 Macker  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:31:37pm

re: #196 victor_yugo

"Two are everywhere...God and the Tsar."

202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:31:38pm

re: #197 Slumbering Behemoth

'Twas the one I was first looking for, but I got impatient. Great flick.

Stern? Hangings too good for him!

203 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:31:43pm

re: #191 MrPaulRevere

Mel Martinez is a sleeper VP candidate. I'm just sayin....

Michael Reagan. Eh?

204 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:31:54pm

re: #195 rawmuse

70 percent of Jews to vote for Obama? Wow. Where do you get that number? Aside from the gray pony tail red diaper baby types, I don't know any.

I'm Jewish. A lot of my friends are Jewish. None of us are voting for Barack H. Obama.

205 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:32:30pm

Well if it's going to be McCain/Christ, then the Democrats will have no choice but to run Obama/Satan.

206 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:32:52pm

re: #195 rawmuse

70 percent of Jews to vote for Obama? Wow. Where do you get that number? Aside from the gray pony tail red diaper baby types, I don't know any.

I have many Jewish friends here in LA, and all but one (that I'm aware of) plan to vote for Obama.

207 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:33:41pm

re: #200 Bobibutu

"...long-legged Mack Daddy"

208 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:33:56pm

re: #205 Killer Tomato

Well if it's going to be McCain/Christ, then the Democrats will have no choice but to run Obama/Satan.

You mean Obama will have to go with Hillary?

209 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:34:14pm

re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can you feel it? I am focusing hard.

:beams of jealousy aimed in your direction:

210 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:34:15pm

re: #206 Ringo the Gringo

I have many Jewish friends here in LA, and all but one (that I'm aware of) plan to vote for Obama.

Because in LA, everything's about popularity. Damn I hate this place.

211 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:34:15pm

Rove on capturing the center

Neither candidate will be well served by making their principal focus the demonization of the opposition. True believers inside the halls and loyalists in front of their televisions will demand a certain level of abuse of the other party. But more Americans are undecided than have been in nearly 30 years. Voters want to learn more about these two men, their personal values and their public vision. Every possible minute should be spent on these.

212 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:34:36pm

re: #207 rawmuse

"...long-legged Mack Daddy"

He is on a rant or what?

213 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:34:42pm

re: #172 cliffster

I can't think of a harder job in the world than our presidency. I don't care how healthy McCain is now, this job can age anyone quickly. And he's starting out much older than anyone I can remember.

214 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:35:50pm

re: #212 Bobibutu

Yeah, I got no place in my head for him, really. He was funny. Once. ;)

215 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:36:01pm

re: #202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Killing's too good for him!

216 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:36:04pm

Here's another bumper sticker.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

217 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:36:39pm

Doesn't the Jewish population generally tend to lean left?

218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:37:18pm

re: #215 Slumbering Behemoth

Killing's too good for him!

The UN building? Thats a laugh, they turned that into low income housing.

219 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:37:38pm

Jewish Americans, I should clarify.

220 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:37:42pm

re: #216 The Other Les

Here's another bumper sticker.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Try that again.

A new bumper sticker!

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

221 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:37:57pm

re: #217 Cognito

Big time, yes. But, at a certain point, self-preservation instincts kick in.

222 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:37:59pm

Well. I think I'll take leave, and practice on the LP. I've almost got the leads down pat on Whitesnake's Here I go Again. Hey, it's a start!

See ya'll tomorrow, hopefully.

G'nite...

223 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:05pm

re: #217 Cognito

Doesn't the Jewish population generally tend to lean left?

note to self - don't go on a cruise with a Jewish organization.

224 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:21pm

Let's see, McCain finally got most Conservatives on board at Saddleback and even took a lead in some polls.

/I have an idea, why doesn't he just pick an uber lefty like Lieberman as his VP and flush all that directly down the toilet?

225 BGOH  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:27pm

re: #182 TheMatrix31

Is that smart to announce it right AT the convention? Americans like security. A lot of people would be wary of voting for someone who is limiting themselves to four years, dont you think?

It is absolutely smart to do. Given John's age, it is reasonable to expect that the age issue will not be major in this cycle, but it certainly would be in the next (he would be 80 in his final year in office if re-elected).

Plus, if he wins with the intention of being a single-term president, he has the opportunity to get a lot of things done that a president who is seeking re-election simply wouldn't be able to do. In short, a one term president can take many more political chances than one who is trying to run for a second term, or one who has won a second term and is, effectively, a lame duck.

A one-term announcement at the convention would be brilliant. And I don't think the polls would even be close from then until November 4th if he made such an announcement.

226 mattm  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:29pm

Rudy! Rudy Rudy!

We need a Zell Miller type speech. Not much has changed in the dem party since then.

227 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:30pm

re: #211 karmic_inquisitor

Rove on capturing the center

If they really engage their brains The One is toast. Otherwise .. we are.

228 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:38pm

re: #191 MrPaulRevere

Martinez is ineligible because he was born in Cuba...at least I'm correcting my own mistakes. Talk about an off night...

229 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:49pm

re: #213 Irene NYC

I can't think of a harder job in the world than our presidency. I don't care how healthy McCain is now, this job can age anyone quickly. And he's starting out much older than anyone I can remember.

Every president in modern history started out with normal colored hair. They all, except for Reagan, left office with gray/white hair.

I'm thinking that maybe the presidency will turn McCain's hair brown?

230 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:39:17pm

re: #217 Cognito

Doesn't the Jewish population generally tend to lean left?

Yes. Turning that vote would have the potential to flip PA and that is about it. The Jewish population is concentrated in big, safe blue states.

231 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:39:19pm

re: #220 The Other Les

Can you do one with McCain's image on one side and Obama's on the other and label them Hero and Zero?

232 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:39:30pm

re: #217 Cognito

Doesn't the Jewish population generally tend to lean left?

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Does a bear shit in the woods?

233 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:39:52pm

re: #224 Killian Bundy

Let's see, McCain finally got most Conservatives on board at Saddleback and even took a lead in some polls.

/I have an idea, why doesn't he just pick an uber lefty like Lieberman as his VP and flush all that directly down the toilet?

He just might, because he knows there's no other option for people on the dark red end of the spectrum. Yeah, he might lose a few pouty stay-at-home nutcases, but he'd grab a big chunk of the middle.

234 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:40:00pm

I hate to say it, but all the liberal Jewish people I know are going to continue voting Dem and Obama. It's like a death wish. I don't know what's wrong with them. One of them told me (I kid you not), "I can't just think about America. I have to think about the entire world." I asked about Israel, and the answer was the same. Very, very sad.

235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:40:07pm

re: #209 Slumbering Behemoth

Can you feel it? I am focusing hard.

:beams of jealousy aimed in your direction:

I did feel a tingle.

236 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:40:15pm

re: #217 Cognito

Doesn't the Jewish population generally tend to lean left?

Only the men. But their tailors know how to compensate.

237 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:40:29pm

re: #231 Killer Tomato

Can you do one with McCain's image on one side and Obama's on the other and label them Hero and Zero?

For bumper stickers I'd like to keep it simple.

238 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:40:53pm

re: #232 Bobibutu

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Does a bear shit in the woods?

I asked because some people seemed mystified by that assertion, a few posts ago.

239 esch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:41:32pm

re: #237 The Other Les

For bumper stickers I'd like to keep it simple.

How about "I PITY DA FOOL" with the special O's?

240 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:41:34pm

re: #229 DesertSage

Every president in modern history started out with normal colored hair. They all, except for Reagan, left office with gray/white hair.

I'm thinking that maybe the presidency will turn McCain's hair brown?

I was thinking the exact same thing!
;)

241 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:41:40pm

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The UN building? Thats a laugh, they turned that into low income housing.

Heh.

242 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:41:52pm

re: #234 Irene NYC

Wow. I know the type of which you speak. Upper West Side, gray pony tail, drawstring pants. Am I close?

243 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:43:18pm

re: #239 esch

How about "I PITY DA FOOL" with the special O's?

I think I'll stick to calling him The Zero.

244 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:43:26pm

re: #242 rawmuse

Wow. I know the type of which you speak. Upper West Side, gray pony tail, drawstring pants. Am I close?

In this instance, grey hair, lower 5th Ave, drawstring pants.
;)

245 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:44:57pm

Arnie to speak. Maybe.

246 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:45:23pm

re: #233 Cognito

pouty stay-at-home nutcases

/you're not a Republican, are you?

247 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:45:33pm

Does Palin appeal to the center?

248 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:46:12pm

re: #245 rawmuse

Arnie to speak. Maybe.

Yeah, like the Dems won't figure out that all they have to do to keep Arnie from speaking at the RNC is to hold up the budget a few more days. Duh.

249 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:46:46pm

re: #232 Bobibutu

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Does a bear shit in the woods?

/does the Pope shit in the woods?

250 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:46:47pm

re: #246 Killian Bundy

/you're not a Republican, are you?

Sure.

I also like to win.

251 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:47:17pm

re: #233 Cognito

He just might, because he knows there's no other option for people on the dark red end of the spectrum. Yeah, he might lose a few pouty stay-at-home nutcases, but he'd grab a big chunk of the middle.

The problem is, McCain as himself should already be the part of the ticket to grab the center.

252 BGOH  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:47:25pm

re: #247 kuffar

Does Palin appeal to the center?

If the center digs hot chicks, then, yes. Absolutely.

253 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:47:41pm

There's an Orthodox Jewish family up the street, in 2004 they had Bush/Cheney sign in their front yard....I don't know them but I'm guessing they'll be voting for McCain.

As for the many Jews that I count as friends, they're all Democrats with two exceptions; one Republican and one with a Ron Paul sticker on his car.

254 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:49:00pm

re: #248 Irene NYC

Yeah, like the Dems won't figure out that all they have to do to keep Arnie from speaking at the RNC is to hold up the budget a few more days. Duh.

At this point, the hold out Republicans are the only thing standing between us and a tax increase. The Dems just keep spending. 20 billion dollars is apparently, not enough to run the state of CA.

255 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:49:14pm

re: #247 kuffar

Does Palin appeal to the center?

She's down to earth, very upbeat and not bad on the eyes. I really enjoyed listening to her speak on TV. PLUS she's willing to push drilling in Alaska. And she stopped that ridiculous $200 million bridge to nowhere. Does that help?

256 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:50:04pm

re: #245 rawmuse

Arnie to speak. Maybe.

Carly Fiorina is speaking? Wow.. all you need to do to get a slot at the RNC is screw up a giant, multinational technology company and show up on Fox News every once in awhile..

257 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:50:35pm

re: #195 rawmuse

70 percent of Jews to vote for Obama? Wow. Where do you get that number? Aside from the gray pony tail red diaper baby types, I don't know any.

Back in May, when Hillary was still in the running, Obama already polled 61% of the Jewish vote vs. McCain. Add in the Hillary voters, and it's surely over 70%. Remember, Kerry got 74% of the Jewish vote in 2004.

99.9% of the Jews I know are voting for Obama.

258 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:50:47pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

/does the Pope shit in the woods?

Rarely.

259 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:51:05pm

re: #247 kuffar

Does Palin appeal to the center?

She could pull in a few disgruntled Hillary voters.

260 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:51:33pm

re: #250 Cognito

Sure.

I also like to win.

/well, nominate Lieberman and you'll have to try it without Republicans, McCain is enough of an acquired taste already without a further "Bonkey on the ticket" eye poke

261 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:51:56pm

re: #257 zombie


99.9% of the Jews I know are voting for Obama.

Me too, although I'll admit my cross section may not be representative of the country at large.

That's why I'm confused by the confusion here, about the left-leaning tendencies of the community...

262 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:52:08pm

re: #254 rawmuse

At this point, the hold out Republicans are the only thing standing between us and a tax increase. The Dems just keep spending. 20 billion dollars is apparently, not enough to run the state of CA.

I am soooooo happy we moved back to NY. The taxes in CA and NY are both high but somehow I couldn't tune out the demented politics in CA as much as I can here in NY. Of course it helps a lot to have fiscally-responsible mayors like Giuliani and Bloomberg - you can ignore what's going on in the state capital more easily.
;)

263 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:52:12pm

re: #206 Ringo the Gringo

I have many Jewish friends here in LA, and all but one (that I'm aware of) plan to vote for Obama.

Are we the same person? It's exactly the same with my friends who are Jewish: 100 voting for Obama, 1 toying with voting for McCain.

264 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:52:24pm

re: #260 Killian Bundy

/well, nominate Lieberman and you'll have to try it without Republicans, McCain is enough of an acquired taste already without a further "Bonkey on the ticket" eye poke

So you would stay home?

265 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:52:30pm

re: #257 zombie

Wow. Just, wow.

266 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:52:37pm

re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A tingle? Damn, at the very least you should feel a mild burning sensation. I need to refocus the emerald, then.

Later Lizards.

267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:53:15pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

/does the Pope shit in the woods?

A bear and a rabbit are in the deep woods and have to take a dump.

The bears leans over to the rabbit and asks, "Excuse me, do you have a problem with poop sticking to your fur?"

"Nope, never." answered the rabbit.

So the bear wipes his ass with the rabbit.

268 esch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:54:36pm

re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So you're saying he had a Hare-y ass?

269 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:55:10pm

re: #224 Killian Bundy

Let's see, McCain finally got most Conservatives on board at Saddleback and even took a lead in some polls.

/I have an idea, why doesn't he just pick an uber lefty like Lieberman as his VP and flush all that directly down the toilet?

I don't think he's going to pick Lieberman anyway, now that I learn he'd have to convert to Republicanism in order to run. SO it's a moot point.

I think the McCain bounce came from his weeks-long ad campaign bashing Obama, not from the single church appearance.

270 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:55:59pm

re: #233 Cognito

He just might, because he knows there's no other option for people on the dark red end of the spectrum. Yeah, he might lose a few pouty stay-at-home nutcases, but he'd grab a big chunk of the middle.

I don't buy it, honestly. I'm pro-choice, don't give a hoot about homosexuality one way or the other.....but Lieberman just doesn't have the goods to help McCain bring this home. Ridge is even worse. I call him heart patient mashed potatoes. no flavor

If you want a Jewish veep, Eric Cantor is pretty hot.

271 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:56:50pm

re: #264 Cognito

So you would stay home?

Hell no, I'd vote Obama.

/if we're going to get saddled with leftys no matter what, why go half ass, let's get the Full Monty?

272 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:56:56pm

re: #255 Irene NYC

She's down to earth, very upbeat and not bad on the eyes. I really enjoyed listening to her speak on TV. PLUS she's willing to push drilling in Alaska. And she stopped that ridiculous $200 million bridge to nowhere. Does that help?

The fact that she is a cougar alone makes me wanna vote for her.

273 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:57:23pm

re: #269 zombie

Russi didn't hurt either.

274 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:57:37pm

PIMF Russia

275 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:58:52pm

re: #263 zombie

Are we the same person? It's exactly the same with my friends who are Jewish: 100 voting for Obama, 1 toying with voting for McCain.

Come to think of it, I've never seen you and Ringo in the same place. Hmmmmm.

276 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:59:26pm

re: #270 funky chicken


If you want a Jewish veep, Eric Cantor is pretty hot.

It's not about Jewishness. It's about portraying the ability to reach across the proverbial aisle -- a radical move, really -- so that Obama's hip sheen fades, blinding fewer people in the middle.

And Lieberman is strong where a VP needs to be, in my opinion. His weaknesses wouldn't hurt us, with him in the second chair.

277 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:00:14pm

re: #271 Killian Bundy

Don't believe you.

278 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:00:27pm

I think Cognito wants Obama to win.
;)

279 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:00:50pm

re: #278 Irene NYC

I think Cognito wants Obama to win.
;)

Far from it.

280 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:01:10pm

After all, I am the second half of the McCain/'Nito ticket.

281 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:01:33pm

re: #255 Irene NYC

re: #272 kuffar

Being a governor and actually running a state is the best reason... after the cougar thing, of course.

282 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:01:58pm

I'll be handing out buttons later:

'Nito is
Neato

Wear them with pride, my friends.

283 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:02:09pm

Here in the Bay Area almost all of the Jewish folks I know plan to vote for Obama. Pretty disheartening. But there are areas of the country where the Jewish population isn't so insanely left. Florida is one of these, where the Jewish population tends toward the older. I think the Dems will lose a substantial portion of the Jewish vote there.

284 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:02:55pm

re: #271 Killian Bundy

Hell no, I'd vote Obama.

/if we're going to get saddled with leftys no matter what, why go half ass, let's get the Full Monty?

Seriously?

So, faced with a choice between, say, Tony Blair running against Josef Stalin, you'd vote for Stalin?

285 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:03:03pm

re: #281 AmeriDan

re: #272 kuffar

Being a governor and actually running a state is the best reason... after the cougar thing, of course.

True. But is she a Falwell in a skirt? Does she provide them ammunition?

286 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:03:19pm

I'm curious. Where does it say the VP has to be the same party as the POTUS? Originally, whoever had the largest number of votes became President - the runner up became VP.

287 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:03:42pm

re: #283 neocon hippie

Here in the Bay Area almost all of the Jewish folks I know plan to vote for Obama. Pretty disheartening. But there are areas of the country where the Jewish population isn't so insanely left. Florida is one of these, where the Jewish population tends toward the older. I think the Dems will lose a substantial portion of the Jewish vote there.

I think "Bay Area" is the operative facet to that first statement, not necessarily "Jewish folks". Am I wrong?

288 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:04:08pm

re: #279 Cognito

Well, McCain has reached across the aisle enough for 5 senators, so you don't need anyone else on the ticket doing that. Joe, and I like the guy, is just the wrong pick. I don't know that he would even want to be Repub VP.

As for his ability to deliver the Jewish vote - not necessarily. He's Jewish, as in observant Jewish and is in the minority. The Jewish vote, I believe, was split in Connecticut in his last election.

289 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:04:27pm

re: #276 Cognito

It's about portraying the ability to reach across the proverbial aisle

Yeah, because, in fact, Lieberman is not even close to being a Republican on the issues and he's shunned by the Bonkeys.

/a total negative drag on a Republican ticket with zero upside, good thinking

290 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:05:15pm

re: #283 neocon hippie

How is it that MyBarackObama.com is a home for such unbridled anti-Semitism, as richly documented by this blog?

scratching my head...

291 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:05:27pm

re: #283 neocon hippie

Here in the Bay Area almost all of the Jewish folks I know plan to vote for Obama. Pretty disheartening. But there are areas of the country where the Jewish population isn't so insanely left. Florida is one of these, where the Jewish population tends toward the older. I think the Dems will lose a substantial portion of the Jewish vote there.

I have a feeling that more than a few older Jews vote for Republicans in the privacy of the voting booth.

292 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:05:39pm

re: #287 cliffster

I think "Bay Area" is the operative facet to that first statement, not necessarily "Jewish folks". Am I wrong?

Most Jewish folks in the Bay Area are pretty far left.

293 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:06:22pm

re: #292 neocon hippie

Most Jewish folks in the Bay Area are pretty far left.

Fixed that for you. :)

294 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:06:40pm

re: #276 Cognito

It's not about Jewishness. It's about portraying the ability to reach across the proverbial aisle -- a radical move, really -- so that Obama's hip sheen fades, blinding fewer people in the middle.

And Lieberman is strong where a VP needs to be, in my opinion. His weaknesses wouldn't hurt us, with him in the second chair.

The only thing good about Lieberman is his foreign policy stance. On everything else he is a doctrinaire lib. He is especially bad on 2nd Amendment issues. Not only did he vote for gun control bills, he sponsored them.

If you want a Jew, support Cantor. At least he understands that there is a reason the Founding Fathers put the right to keep and bear arms in the top section of the Bill or Rights.

295 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:06:48pm

re: #290 rawmuse

How is it that MyBarackObama.com is a home for such unbridled anti-Semitism, as richly documented by this blog?

scratching my head...

They identify first as lefties, not Jewish (too unhip).

296 Alone in NY  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:07:00pm

re: #287 cliffster

I think "Bay Area" is the operative facet to that first statement, not necessarily "Jewish folks". Am I wrong?

You are right, clearly.

297 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:07:12pm

re: #292 neocon hippie

Most Jewish folks in the Bay Area are pretty far left.

Right, but remove "Jewish" from that statement, and it's still a true statement.

298 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:07:14pm

pimf Bill of Rights

299 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:07:40pm

re: #285 kuffar

True. But is she a Falwell in a skirt? Does she provide them ammunition?

I don't think that she is. That's my opinion with what I know of her so far.

As far as "them" having ammunition; their lies, distortions, and half truths are all the fire power they need to blast away at whoever is chosen.

300 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:07:51pm

re: #277 Cognito

Don't believe you.

/if that's the bull[expletive deleted] ticket the Republican party asks me to vote for you can bet your ass I'll stick the Obama fork in it, with relish

301 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:08:17pm

re: #290 rawmuse

How is it that MyBarackObama.com is a home for such unbridled anti-Semitism, as richly documented by this blog?

scratching my head...

Mine as well.

302 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:08:30pm

A McCain-Palin ticket gets my vote.

Social libertarian
Governmental Conservative
Economic Libertarian

Of course, a dead dog could run against Obama and I'd vote for the canine corpse without second thought.

303 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:08:36pm

re: #300 Killian Bundy

/if that's the bull[expletive deleted] ticket the Republican party asks me to vote for you can bet your ass I'll stick the Obama fork in it, with relish

Face - nose = worse face.

304 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:08:57pm

re: #289 Killian Bundy

Yeah, because, in fact, Lieberman is not even close to being a Republican on the issues and he's shunned by the Bonkeys.

/a total negative drag on a Republican ticket with zero upside, good thinking

I still think Lieberman would be a good choice (even though I think he's disqualified from actually running). And your comment reveals why.

Lieberman is neither a Republican, nor a Democrat. And the vast majority of Americans are simply sick to death of these two parties, corrupt and inept as they seem to be, in varying degrees (Dems mostly corrupt, Repubs mostly inept). Someone who is neither will be a breath of fresh air to that SUBSTANTIAL portion of Americans who dislike the party system. Yes, his presence will P.O. hardcore Dems and hardcore Repubs, but I think they are now a minority bloc in the overall electorate.

305 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:08:59pm

An interesting factor in this election may be the Hispanic vote. The Mexicans that I work with seem to favor McCain, and are not reluctant to say so.

306 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:09:06pm

re: #290 rawmuse

How is it that MyBarackObama.com is a home for such unbridled anti-Semitism, as richly documented by this blog?

scratching my head...

Lefty Jews are oblivious to the anti-Semitic content on mybarackobama.com, and in general denial as to the extent of anti-Semitism on the left. At the same time, many if not most are very sympathetic to the Palestinians and critical of Israel. I think a key to all of this is their sense of Jewish guilt.

307 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:09:13pm

Hey Canuck.

308 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:09:54pm

re: #288 Irene NYC

Well, McCain has reached across the aisle enough for 5 senators, so you don't need anyone else on the ticket doing that. Joe, and I like the guy, is just the wrong pick. I don't know that he would even want to be Repub VP.

As for his ability to deliver the Jewish vote - not necessarily. He's Jewish, as in observant Jewish and is in the minority. The Jewish vote, I believe, was split in Connecticut in his last election.

as often as he's screwed over his alleged party, you think he'd at least give us a reach around, to go with the reach across.

/practicing my nose hold already

309 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:10:54pm

re: #307 AmeriDan

Morning Dan, how goes it tonight?

310 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:11:44pm

re: #308 redc1c4

I'd be shocked if Lieberman was McCain's choice for VP.

311 Kulhwch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:11:50pm
Former Democrat Joe Lieberman and Vice President Dick Cheney will speak on the convention’s first day. They will be followed in primetime by California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush.

Wow, they're letting Arnold sit at the table with the grown-ups!

}:)     [Maria must be so proud ... ]

312 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:11:58pm

re: #305 Ringo the Gringo

So, we need a Mexiafrieuropean Chrisjewmuslim Liberal Libertarian Conservative warhero peaceactivist...

313 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:12:10pm

re: #134 jcm

Um, sorry, but please don't post stuff like that. I have kids and it just makes me beyond sick.

314 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:12:25pm

re: #293 BlueCanuck
Most Jewish folks in the Bay Area are pretty farleft out man....... can i get a hit?


Fixed that for you. :)

fixed that for ya! %-)

315 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:12:26pm

re: #303 Cognito

Face - nose = worse face.

McCain/Lieberman is a sure loser anyway.

/maybe if it's a landslide they won't do it again

316 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:12:38pm

re: #304 zombie

Someone who is neither will be a breath of fresh air to that SUBSTANTIAL portion of Americans who dislike the party system.

I respectfully disagree that Lieberman would bring a breath of fresh air to this election.

317 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:12:43pm

re: #253 Ringo the Gringo

As a Jew, I cannot bring myself to vote Demonrat, ever since Carter the Jew hater's first year...and there seems to be the possibility that Hussein may not get the majority of the Jewish vote..we can only hope.

In local elections, I have voted to some really middle of the road Dems. Yes, there is such a thing, but they are as rare as hen's teeth!

Off to sleep!

G'nite, all. Sweet dreams!

318 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:13:05pm

re: #305 Ringo the Gringo

An interesting factor in this election may be the Hispanic vote. The Mexicans that I work with seem to favor McCain, and are not reluctant to say so.

A.) McCain is soft on immigration. That's a plus in their view. And B.) There is so much bad blood between blacks and Mexicans in LA that I think there is a lingering hesitation among LA Hispanics to vote for someone black -- to be perfectly frank.

319 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:13:21pm

re: #310 Irene NYC

I'd be shocked if Lieberman was McCain's choice for VP.

i'd wonder what the Republican ticket would b then, because that would sure as hell not qualify as one.

320 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:13:46pm

re: #315 Killian Bundy

McCain/Lieberman is a sure loser anyway.

/maybe if it's a landslide they won't do it again

dreamer.....

321 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:15:03pm

re: #304 zombie

I still think Lieberman would be a good choice (even though I think he's disqualified from actually running). And your comment reveals why.

Lieberman is neither a Republican, nor a Democrat.

It's the issues zombie.

/he's a card carrying, east coast liberal and has no place on a Republican ticket, end of story

322 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:15:24pm

re: #318 zombie

A.) McCain is soft on immigration. That's a plus in their view. And B.) There is so much bad blood between blacks and Mexicans in LA that I think there is a lingering hesitation among LA Hispanics to vote for someone black -- to be perfectly frank.

Absolutely. Villaragosa was defeated first time around because LA blacks sided with LA whites - something almost no political commentator thought would actually come to pass.

323 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:15:50pm

re: #309 BlueCanuck

Morning Dan, how goes it tonight?

Going well. I've been on sick leave from the dead threads, but getting better everyday.

324 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:16:23pm

re: #316 AmeriDan

I respectfully disagree that Lieberman would bring a breath of fresh air to this election.

To YOU. To many others -- those who have no guiding belief system -- I think he would be.

325 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:16:30pm

re: #318 zombie

A.) McCain is soft on immigration. That's a plus in their view. And B.) There is so much bad blood between blacks and Mexicans in LA that I think there is a lingering hesitation among LA Hispanics to vote for someone black -- to be perfectly frank.

Yep.

326 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:16:44pm

Hey red.

327 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:16:47pm

Lieberman is definitely a Democrat. A hawk, but otherwise pretty through and through Democrat.

328 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:16:53pm

re: #306 neocon hippie

Lefty Jews are oblivious to the anti-Semitic content on mybarackobama.com, and in general denial as to the extent of anti-Semitism on the left. At the same time, many if not most are very sympathetic to the Palestinians and critical of Israel. I think a key to all of this is their sense of Jewish guilt.

I hope that you do not suffer ill will from your fellows.
I do from time to time, from my own.
But, fuck 'em. ;)

329 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:17:11pm

re: #272 kuffar

The fact that she is a cougar alone makes me wanna vote for her.

cougar? where?

i helped an ex move today.....
i got all the liquor, since she didn't want to ship it. w00T!

/con permiso, no less.

330 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:18:08pm

re: #317 NY Nana

As a Jew, I cannot bring myself to vote Demonrat, ever since Carter the Jew hater's first year...and there seems to be the possibility that Hussein may not get the majority of the Jewish vote..we can only hope.!

Interesting! Then it's not as bad as I first feared. Obama is down to 57% of the Jewish vote. And hopefully dropping.

331 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:18:42pm

'Nite all.

I hitting the hay...been a long week.

332 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:19:03pm

re: #323 AmeriDan

Sick leave? What happened?

333 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:19:59pm

re: #327 Irene NYC

Lieberman is definitely a Democrat. A hawk, but otherwise pretty through and through Democrat.

They tossed him out because of his heresy on the war, but otherwise, yeah. His gun control stance alone would be a deal breaker.

I've never heard Cantor speak...is he good? I just think he's handsome, and obviously young. He's also very conservative. Pawlenty's most likely a better choice.

334 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:21:25pm

re: #330 zombie

I don't know if I trust those stats. The Jewish vote during the McGovern era was very different from today's. Much of the Jewish vote in NYC and CT (which I've always follow somewhat) seems to be more and more rabid. Like I said earlier, it's like they have a death wish.

335 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:00pm

re: #314 redc1c4

Most Jewish folks in the Bay Area are pretty farleft out man....... can i get a hit?


fixed that for ya! %-)

Yeah, you can get a hit from me, your average Bay Area neocon hippie.

336 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:10pm

re: #324 zombie

To YOU. To many others -- those who have no guiding belief system -- I think he would be.

Huh? Please explain this guiding belief system of mine. I just think that as far as domestic issues, he's a card carrying liberal no better than BO, Hillery, Kerry, Edwards, etc.

Not someone I'd want second in line to the President.

337 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:23pm

re: #320 redc1c4

dreamer.....

/hey, if the Republican Party can't even offer a meaningful alternative to socialism, may as well just go with the flow

338 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:52pm

re: #317 NY Nana

Sweet dreams.

339 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:56pm

re: #333 funky chicken

funky, sorry, I've never heard Cantor speak.

340 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:58pm

re: #322 Irene NYC

Absolutely. Villaragosa was defeated first time around because LA blacks sided with LA whites - something almost no political commentator thought would actually come to pass.

Villar-boboso is poorly thought of by just about anyone anymore here in town. he showed up at a public event near my home recently, and even the knee jerk neighbors had unsolicited bad things to say about him to 2H6 when she mentioned him.... i don't interact with the illegal vote here, which is large, but i've not heard many people speak well of him. unfortunately, that doesn't seem to stop him from getting elected.

personally, i think he's a poster child for birth control, but i'm a skosh harsh that way. %-)

341 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:23:57pm

re: #337 Killian Bundy

/hey, if the Republican Party can't even offer a meaningful alternative to socialism, may as well just go with the flow

How about trying to deal with people on the basis of consent?

/groan

342 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:23:59pm

re: #340 redc1c4

Well, I certainly didn't vote for him!
;)

343 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:24:17pm

Good night.

344 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:27:02pm

re: #337 Killian Bundy

/hey, if the Republican Party can't even offer a meaningful alternative to socialism, may as well just go with the flow

I'd rather have Republican socialism than Democratic party socialism. The last thing I need is daily anger management and tolerating diversity classes.

A friend of mine distilled the differences between the two parties thusly:

In the Democratic party you can have the freedom to act differently but thinking differently is verbotten.

In the Republican party, one can think differently but to act differently is verbotten.

345 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:27:11pm

I simply don't know how I shall get along without women's volleyball...

346 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:27:56pm

re: #332 BlueCanuck

Sick leave? What happened?

I've been having problems with my liver, and to my surprise, when you're having liver problems, a whole bunch of other problems happen.

Thankfully, it was caught in time and I'm on the upswing now. Feel better than I have in years as a matter of fact.

347 Wanglese  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:28:02pm

Can this antipodean ask why Rudy wouldn't work as a great running mate for McCain?

348 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:28:27pm

Killian, I don't think there even is a Republican Party any more. I think what we now have is the Socialist Party, formerly known as the Democrat Party, and the Democrat Party, formerly known as the Republican Party.
Of course, I'm not registered as either, so what do I know?

349 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:30:06pm

re: #318 zombie

A.) McCain is soft on immigration. That's a plus in their view. And B.) There is so much bad blood between blacks and Mexicans in LA that I think there is a lingering hesitation among LA Hispanics to vote for someone black -- to be perfectly frank.

"bad blood" must be zombie speak for "going around killing each other based on skin color and trying to run different races out their 'neighborhoods'"

anywhere else it'd draw either US intervention or the UN to do nothing. here, it doesn't even make the papers, unless it's an article to deny that it's racial.

350 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:30:30pm

re: #336 AmeriDan

Huh? Please explain this guiding belief system of mine. I just think that as far as domestic issues, he's a card carrying liberal no better than BO, Hillery, Kerry, Edwards, etc.

Not someone I'd want second in line to the President.

You answered your own question. You see a politician who votes liberal on various issues, that automatically is a negative in your book. To countless other people, that is NOT an automatic negative. Nor is a politician who sometimes or often votes conservative. These people choose who to vote for according to entirely non-ideological reasons, including: name-recognition, charisma, independence from existing structures, patriotism, etc. They couldn't care less who is branded a liberal or a conservative, nor how they vote once in the Senate or wherever.

351 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:30:55pm

Palin would be a provocative choice in every sense of the word.

If she is McPain's VP pick, mark my words - The lefties, seeing everything sexually as they usually do, will unleash an absolute torrent of bile. A relatively younger and attractive woman as VP? Please, we'll be hearing about how she's Mac's house mistress, a "trophy VP", she'll be called out as window dressing, named a "gender traitor" by the so-called "feminists", and of course there will be insinuations that she's a whore, and disgusting photoshops, and op-eds dripping with mysoginy and double-standards from left-leaning columnists, and all the rest of the bile and hypocrisy we've come to expect from that side of the aisle when somebody steps out of their identity politics categories.

352 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:31:21pm

re: #330 zombie

Interesting! Then it's not as bad as I first feared. Obama is down to 57% of the Jewish vote. And hopefully dropping.

It was a pleasant surprise. I feel that more Jews are awakening to the danger he is for our country, and for the rest of the free world. He speaks trash...and I still feel that he would side with the arabs against Israel.

Can you imagine him taking a 3 AM phone call, if, G-d forbid, anything happened that needed a swift response?

9/11 is still very much in my mind. And now? The situation in Georgia, with the bad old days of the USSR being reconstructed by the KGB alumni, Putin?

353 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:31:29pm

re: #346 AmeriDan

Ugh, liver problems. I have a friend who has bad liver problems. Essentially he's now a vegetarian, suffers from migranes, gout, and a slew of other things as well. I feel for you. Glad you got it caught in time.

354 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:31:31pm

re: #346 AmeriDan

I've been having problems with my liver, and to my surprise, when you're having liver problems, a whole bunch of other problems happen.

Thankfully, it was caught in time and I'm on the upswing now. Feel better than I have in years as a matter of fact.

let's have a drink to celebrate!

/white smoke %-)

355 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:31:47pm

re: #344 kuffar

I'd rather have Republican socialism than Democratic party socialism.

/Lieberman as the VP pick is the antithesis of that argument

356 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:32:30pm

Is everyone having fun?

357 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:32:35pm

re: #345 rawmuse

I simply don't know how I shall get along without women's volleyball...

May/Walsh 08

358 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:33:19pm

re: #345 rawmuse

I simply don't know how I shall get along without women's volleyball...

/there's always YouTube

359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:33:30pm

re: #356 lifeofthemind

Is everyone having fun?

Depends. Trying to decide if i should watch Slither, 30 Days of Night, or the Director's Cut of Dark City.

360 slokat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:33:31pm

Q & A here

Q81. "In current usage, both the President and Vice President are elected on the same ballot. Does the Constitution as currently amended allow for these executives to be from differing parties?"

A. The Constitution neither prohibits nor encourages the two be from the same party. They are voted on separately in the electoral college, so theoretically, the President and Vice President could be from different parties. However, many states have laws which force their electors to vote for the candidates that the winning party has chosen. There is question about whether an elector could be prosecuted for doing whatever they want once the election is over, but the point is mostly irrelevant - the party that wins picks the electors, who are generally party loyalists, so are unlikely to vote against the party.

361 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:34:33pm

re: #356 lifeofthemind

Is everyone having fun?

lemme pour anther drink and get back to you on that.... %-)

/wanna try tonight's fruitcup early?

362 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:35:10pm

re: #329 redc1c4

cougar? where?

i helped an ex move today.....
i got all the liquor, since she didn't want to ship it. w00T!

/con permiso, no less.

Damn son. Looks like you still got the touch.

363 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:35:43pm

re: #333 funky chicken

Here is Cantor...

I could not support Leiberman, a flip flopper, and the man who was Albore's lap dog..he is no more a new Republican than Hussein is.

364 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:35:45pm

re: #348 Killer Tomato

I have studied both parties for 20 years, and neither has been consistent in their platforms, but a pivotal moment came in 1968 when the hard Left basically took over the Democrat Party. There were some hawks/conservatives still, but their numbers have steadily declined since then.

As for the Republicans, they have always been a fairly activist party, starting with their serious abolitionist roots in a small town in Wisconsin, in 1862, They have been consistent about using the power of the state for social change, and seldom been afraid of foreign entanglements, which the exception of the Pre WWII era, when, oddly, they were firmly isolationist. As for conservatism, it appears to have been a fluke, if measured over the entire span of the party.

365 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:35:49pm

re: #347 Wanglese

Can this antipodean ask why Rudy wouldn't work as a great running mate for McCain?

He's got 9/11 War Pig written all over him, he's done some repugnant things in his family life, and his political fame is essentially based on his performance in one job. He's too easy for the media to bracket and shoot down.

Which is a shame, because the man can out-talk anybody up there. He's the only politician I've ever seen give honest, clean, conversational answers to tough questions without resorting exclusively to a pile of catchphrases.

366 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:35:53pm

re: #349 redc1c4

"bad blood" must be zombie speak for "going around killing each other based on skin color and trying to run different races out their 'neighborhoods'"

anywhere else it'd draw either US intervention or the UN to do nothing. here, it doesn't even make the papers, unless it's an article to deny that it's racial.

Well, I was trying to be diplomatic, but you laid it on the line -- and you are 100% correct.

Same thing happens in Oakland, but to a lesser degree -- because the black gangs have the upper hand (over the Hispanic gangs and over the police), while the Hispanic gangs spend too much time on Sureño vs. Norteño battles. But there is overt hostility and overt racism, which never gets reported on.

367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:36:50pm

re: #365 Pawn of the Oppressor

He's got 9/11 War Pig written all over him, he's done some repugnant things in his family life, and his political fame is essentially based on his performance in one job. He's too easy for the media to bracket and shoot down.

Which is a shame, because the man can out-talk anybody up there. He's the only politician I've ever seen give honest, clean, conversational answers to tough questions without resorting exclusively to a pile of catchphrases.

I'd say Rudy for either a DoJ or Homeland Security post

368 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:37:01pm

Wow, there's a sleek niqab gal running a sprint....

369 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:37:56pm

re: #360 slokat

Q & A here

The only prohibition aside from age and being born in the USA (or territories as we know now) is that the Pres and VP must be from different states.

370 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:38:11pm

re: #359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oooooh, I vote the directors cut of "Dark City". Great movie, I especially loved the twist of what's really going on behind the scenes.

371 LeePro  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:38:16pm

re: #346 AmeriDan

I've been having problems with my liver, and to my surprise, when you're having liver problems, a whole bunch of other problems happen.

Thankfully, it was caught in time and I'm on the upswing now. Feel better than I have in years as a matter of fact.

Hey, Dan!
Good to see you back!

372 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:38:57pm

I guess that was a niqab, anyway... spandex or whatever, with leggings.

373 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:39:10pm

Assume that anyone slated for a spot to speak on the schedule is not going to be the VP. Not a law but a good way to start. That means that Lieberman, Giuliani and Palin are out despite the strengths they bring. Palin may get a cabinet post but I hope she gets into the Senate. My hope is Lieberman for DoD, Bolton for State and Giuliani for Justice. Who does that leave for the VP slot? Looks like a choice between Romney and Hunter. Romney is probably the safer bet to win the election.

374 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:39:46pm

re: #363 NY Nana

Whoops! Forgot to say that I cannot see Sen. McCain picking him.

If that happened? I would vote Republican, but with a clothespin on my nose because of Leiberman. We live near the CT border, and what we have heard about him over the years does not make me feel very happy that he is even mentioned.

As I am now talking to myself? Off to sleep I go! ;)

375 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:39:57pm

re: #283 neocon hippie

Here in the Bay Area almost all of the Jewish folks I know plan to vote for Obama. Pretty disheartening. But there are areas of the country where the Jewish population isn't so insanely left. Florida is one of these, where the Jewish population tends toward the older. I think the Dems will lose a substantial portion of the Jewish vote there.

Have the Republicans finally broken that 12% barrier? LOL.

If/when I do finally convert, I'm going to have to keep my silly mouth shut around most Jewish folk...

376 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:08pm

re: #359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Depends. Trying to decide if i should watch Slither, 30 Days of Night, or the Director's Cut of Dark City.

i've got a copy of Vanishing Point.

377 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:13pm

re: #350 zombie

You see a politician who votes liberal on various issues, that automatically is a negative in your book.

In this day and age, a politican who votes liberal on various issues is a negative

Where's FDR and Truman these days?

378 LeePro  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:43pm

re: #351 Pawn of the Oppressor

Palin would be a provocative choice in every sense of the word.

If she is McPain's VP pick, mark my words - The lefties, seeing everything sexually as they usually do, will unleash an absolute torrent of bile. A relatively younger and attractive woman as VP? Please, we'll be hearing about how she's Mac's house mistress, a "trophy VP", she'll be called out as window dressing, named a "gender traitor" by the so-called "feminists", and of course there will be insinuations that she's a whore, and disgusting photoshops, and op-eds dripping with mysoginy and double-standards from left-leaning columnists, and all the rest of the bile and hypocrisy we've come to expect from that side of the aisle when somebody steps out of their identity politics categories.

So what's new?

McCain/Palin '08

379 slokat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:43pm

re: #369 Mel Lono

The only prohibition aside from age and being born in the USA (or territories as we know now) is that the Pres and VP must be from different states.

Not true, the clause is that an elector can't vote for two people from their home state... so it effects only one state's electors.

380 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:47pm

Night all -

381 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:53pm

re: #362 Mel Lono

Damn son. Looks like you still got the touch.

that's all i got...... not that i would have strayed.

/crazy, not stupid. %-)

382 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:41:34pm

re: #378 LeePro

So what's new?

McCain/Palin '08

McCain/Paul '08

383 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:41:37pm

re: #368 Cognito

Wow, there's a sleek niqab gal running a sprint....

I wanted to puke when I saw that. What I said aloud wasn't printable. Stupid, stupid fool girl running around with a goshdamned sock on her head for "modesty"... Ugh... What a f-cking disgrace.

384 least  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:05pm

re: #345 rawmuse

I simply don't know how I shall get along without women's volleyball...

Well, d'you have TIVO?
Deja vu forever!
-------
More on topic:
Just got a glimpse of an AP headline -- something like, "Biden Obama's VP Choice"
If this is true, I do believe I'm gonna have the vapors (and I threw up in my mouth, a little).
also . . . if it's true: the possibilities for mockery would be limitless.

385 wanglese  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:09pm

re: #365 Pawn of the Oppressor

Thanks for that.

Pity, because what little I know about his "last job" was that he was considered outstanding. Certainly how I saw it from here.

Put him in the cabinet somewhere.

386 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:26pm

Cantor is interesting but needs more national exposure. Gravitas versus the newbie is going to be a theme I'd think. Argues against Pawlenty, worthy man but needs more exposure first.

387 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:36pm

re: #351 Pawn of the Oppressor

Even more reason. If that happens, hammer the issue. Use the mysogynistic hypocrisy and their hypocrisy in general as 500 pound bombs dropped by an A-4 Skyhawk right on their heads.

Hopefully it can fracture the party and we can take care of America's problems, because lets face it, Democrats way of solving them is the Soviet way of solving them.

388 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:56pm

re: #371 LeePro

Hey, Dan!
Good to see you back!

Hey Lee!

389 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:59pm

re: #383 Pawn of the Oppressor

I wanted to puke when I saw that. What I said aloud wasn't printable. Stupid, stupid fool girl running around with a goshdamned sock on her head for "modesty"... Ugh... What a f-cking disgrace.

I don't blame her personally, really.

390 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:43:27pm

re: #366 zombie

Well, I was trying to be diplomatic, but you laid it on the line -- and you are 100% correct.

Same thing happens in Oakland, but to a lesser degree -- because the black gangs have the upper hand (over the Hispanic gangs and over the police), while the Hispanic gangs spend too much time on Sureño vs. Norteño battles. But there is overt hostility and overt racism, which never gets reported on.

because it's all caused by the anglo oppression.... %-)

/

391 slokat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:44:08pm

re: #345 rawmuse

I simply don't know how I shall get along without women's volleyball...

Did you see the pic link at the bottom of the last thread?

392 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:44:09pm

Anybody want to buy an old cadillac? Gov. Arnold in his infinite wisdom terminated the vehicle "retirement" program since the Dems won't bring him a budget. Signed the order on July 31. oh, and July was "Smog Awareness Month" Go figure.

393 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:44:13pm

I show up and people leave?
/offended

394 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:45:00pm

re: #367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'd say Rudy for either a DoJ or Homeland Security post

He won't compromise on crime, how about Homeland Security, will he give the Religion of Beheading and Car Bombs a pass?

395 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:45:26pm

re: #154 The Other Les

It was a little out there, I admit.re: #166 DesertSage

Yeah. That's just the image the GOP needs; two gray-haired white guys.

396 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:45:27pm

re: #390 redc1c4

because it's all caused by the anglo oppression.... %-)

/

Damn anglos and their oppression!

397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:45:34pm

re: #376 redc1c4

i've got a copy of Vanishing Point.

Sounds interesting

398 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:46:13pm

re: #376 redc1c4

i've got a copy of Vanishing Point.

one of my all time classics. Barry Newman and a Dodge Charger, I believe.

399 LeePro  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:46:23pm

re: #382 redc1c4

McCain/Paul '08

: : : : : : : scrolllllllllllllllllllll : : : : : : :

400 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:47:43pm

re: #389 Cognito

I don't blame her personally, really.

why not? she put the clothes on. she could have picked something else, but didn't.

401 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:48:51pm

re: #399 LeePro

: : : : : : : scrolllllllllllllllllllll : : : : : : :

I'd rather go with McCain/AuH2O

402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:49:00pm

Oh boy; Barry just one upped his pay grade comment by trying to sound like a bug boy:

Obama: Russia, U.S. should not ‘charge into’ other countries

“We’ve got to send a clear message to Russia and unify our allies,” Obama told a crowd of supporters in Virginia. “They can’t charge into other countries. Of course it helps if we are leading by example on that point.”

Barry, from the bottom of my heart, and I really truly mean this:

Go eat a bag of dicks.

403 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:49:24pm

re: #402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh boy; Barry just one upped his pay grade comment by trying to sound like a bug boy:

Obama: Russia, U.S. should not ‘charge into’ other countries


Barry, from the bottom of my heart, and I really truly mean this:

Go eat a bag of dicks.

bug boy = big boy

404 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:50:16pm

re: #398 Mel Lono

one of my all time classics. Barry Newman and a Dodge Charger, I believe.

Awesome '70s movie.

/'7o Dodge Challenger R/T

405 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:50:47pm

re: #392 Mel Lono

Anybody want to buy an old cadillac? Gov. Arnold in his infinite wisdom terminated the vehicle "retirement" program since the Dems won't bring him a budget. Signed the order on July 31. oh, and July was "Smog Awareness Month" Go figure.

why destroy history? there aren't that many old cars and they don't get driven that much. you want to fight smog, limit the number of vehicles allowed period. cars are much cleaner than they were when i was young and had a future, but smog is still bad because there are 3 or 4 times as many of them as there used to be.

Welcome to California. Now go home.
(and take your car, your kids and your gardener with you. %-)

406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:50:56pm

re: #400 redc1c4

why not? she put the clothes on. she could have picked something else, but didn't.

The whole "We'll kill you when you come home if you dress like a whore" angle mitigates that a tad.

407 LeePro  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:51:27pm

re: #401 kuffar

I'd rather go with McCain/AuH2O

Is he still alive?!?!?!?!?!

408 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:51:37pm

Drawing a conclusion about the voting habits of Jews or anybody else based on a sample drawn within the Bay Area seems poor research technique. A large and rapidly growing percentage of the Jews are not 4th and 5th generation assimilated liberals but recent immigrant communities and allied highly orthodox groups. One group of them spectacularly sold their votes en bloc to Hillary last election cycle so there can be, as with all closed or new communities, ethical problems but there is also a sympathy for conservative positions and a fierce rejection of Communism and Islamism.

409 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:51:52pm

re: #393 lifeofthemind

I show up and people leave?
/offended

it's because you're racist.

/repent now!

410 least  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:52:15pm

re: #403 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

bug boy = big boy

Thanks for clearing that us.
I was saying, "Whaaaaaaaaaa?!"

411 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:52:21pm

re: #404 Killian Bundy

Awesome '70s movie.

/'7o Dodge Challenger R/T

Excellent catch!

412 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:52:31pm

re: #406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The whole "We'll kill you when you come home if you dress like a whore" angle mitigates that a tad.

then don't go home.

it's a big planet.... pick somewhere else.

413 freetoken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:52:41pm

re: #364 rawmuse

As for conservatism, it appears to have been a fluke, if measured over the entire span of the party.

There is some merit in this, I think. After 1968 the Republican party became more reactionary, against the (real or perceived) threat of the rise of the harder leftists in the Democrat party. The election of Reagan very much was a reaction against the trends in the Democrat party, IMO.

Of course one could counter with the argument that FDR was a socialist, and the Republicans of his day reacted strongly against him.

Then there were the movements of the religious conservative, formerly Democrats, into the Republican camp starting in the 60's.

We are left with today a larger nation (> 300 million, and growing) and that also means the factions within either of the 2 large parties will have more people... I'm wondering how much longer the 2 party system can keep trying the "broad tent" strategies.

414 Temujin  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:53:46pm

re: #407 LeePro

No. But he'd make McCain look young.

/Weekend At Bernies Scenario

415 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:54:11pm

re: #400 redc1c4

why not? she put the clothes on. she could have picked something else, but didn't.

Indeed

I am past the point of forgiving these people for what they do to themselves, and - by extension - what they do to all of us. She is out there with seven other beautiful women of every shape and color, all working hard with what G-d gave them to advance their particular brand of human achievement, and share it with all of us, and she drags everybody back down into the Dark Ages by capping herself with a ridiculous G-ddamned sock, a frigging head condom that makes a mockery of herself and others.

She is young, she knows about the internet, she has a cell phone, she watches TV, and she knows what she looks like and what is possible in the world. She has no excuse. Plenty of other Muslim women are performing without any head condoms. I do blame her.

416 least  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:54:20pm

clearing that us?!
up.
Jeez.
*wanders off shaking head*

417 slokat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:54:22pm

I think Bug Boy fits better...

418 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:54:43pm

re: #402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh boy; Barry just one upped his pay grade comment by trying to sound like a bug boy:
Barry, from the bottom of my heart, and I really truly mean this:

Go eat a bag of dicks.

On some level don't you wish that while he is passing that gas a half dozen of Ivan's finest would come by and pull his pants down?

419 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:55:23pm

re: #405 redc1c4

why destroy history? there aren't that many old cars and they don't get driven that much. you want to fight smog, limit the number of vehicles allowed period. cars are much cleaner than they were when i was young and had a future, but smog is still bad because there are 3 or 4 times as many of them as there used to be.

Welcome to California. Now go home.
(and take your car, your kids and your gardener with you. %-)

It's a 92 Sedan de Ville nicked "Elvis", but he's left the building. Too tired of fixing stuff, but I still get people coming up to me with the likes of "wow. classic styling". And it is.

420 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:55:24pm

More on Cantor, and what the Demonrats said when they realized he is Jewish: DNC: 'Eric Cantor is Jewish, oh my!'

Any of my fellow Jews who see this, and still vote Demonrat?

You're nuts!

I am being dragged off the keyboard! Help! ;)

421 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:55:45pm

re: #408 lifeofthemind

One group of them spectacularly sold their votes en bloc to Hillary last election cycle so there can be, as with all closed or new communities, ethical problems but there is also a sympathy for conservative positions and a fierce rejection of Communism and Islamism.

Somehow, selling their votes en banc doesn't smack of "rejecting Communism." In fact, I'd say quite the opposite.

422 LeePro  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:56:20pm

re: #414 Temujin

LOL!

423 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:56:46pm

Vanishing Point

/spoiler alert!

424 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:56:54pm
#402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh boy; Barry just one upped his pay grade comment by trying to sound like a bug boy:

Obama: Russia, U.S. should not ‘charge into’ other countries

“We’ve got to send a clear message to Russia and unify our allies,” Obama told a crowd of supporters in Virginia. “They can’t charge into other countries. Of course it helps if we are leading by example on that point.”

Barry, from the bottom of my heart, and I really truly mean this:

Go eat a bag of dicks.

Just a bag? After a comment like that, I hope he dines upon a cubic ton of feces.

425 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:57:37pm

re: #420 NY Nana

Sounds like some one wants you in bed at a decent hour. ;)

Have yourself a good night if you're leaving.

426 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:58:20pm

re: #424 zombie

Just a bag? After a comment like that, I hope he dines upon a cubic ton of feces.

Well, its obvious he is already full of shit. The dicks would just be to cleanse the palate.

427 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:58:55pm

re: #419 Mel Lono

It's a 92 Sedan de Ville nicked "Elvis", but he's left the building. Too tired of fixing stuff, but I still get people coming up to me with the likes of "wow. classic styling". And it is.

try moving it on Craig's list? your biggest promblem is that it isn't 25 model years old.

/magic number.

428 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:59:30pm

re: #413 freetoken

1968. Nothing in the USA was ever the same afterward.

429 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:00:00am

re: #420 NY Nana

More on Cantor, and what the Demonrats said when they realized he is Jewish: DNC: 'Eric Cantor is Jewish, oh my!'

Any of my fellow Jews who see this, and still vote Demonrat?

You're nuts!

I am being dragged off the keyboard! Help! ;)

just calm down and enjoy it.

/channeling Obanal to the voters %-)

430 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:00:33am

re: #422 LeePro

LOL!

Barry Goldwater

Even if he were alive, there would be an issue , given that both McCain & Goldwater would be AZ residents ...

431 Mel Lono  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:00:44am