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Giuliani to Give Keynote at GOP Convention

Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:30:16 pm PDT

Featured keynote speaker at the Republican Convention: Rudy Giuliani.

Former New York City mayor and presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani will be the keynote speaker at the Republican National Convention, which begins Monday, September 1st. His Tuesday night address will follow primetime speeches from Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney and Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, who are seen as two of the most likely candidates to become John McCain’s running mate, were not granted primetime speaking slots. Romney is currently slated to speak on Wednesday, Sept 3rd, while Pawlenty is scheduled to join Charlie Crist, Sam Brownback and Mel Martinez to address the convention on Thursday, Sept. 4th, before McCain’s convention-closing address.(The schedule could change.)

Whomever McCain selects as his running mate will give an address in primetime on Wednesday, along with Cindy McCain and Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindel.

Former Democrat Joe Lieberman and Vice President Dick Cheney will speak on the convention’s first day. They will be followed in primetime by California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush.

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1 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:30:39pm

Great choice. Go Rudy!

2 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:31:45pm

GO RUDY.

3 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:31:57pm

Good!

4 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:32:11pm

Thank God, they found a Republican to do it. I thought we were running out of them for a minute.

5 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:33:34pm

I have a funny feeling that Bobby Jindal will be McCain's VP choice.

6 FXArtist  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:35:07pm

Jindal would be a fantastic choice.

7 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:35:16pm

Keynote, paid on the chromatic scale.

8 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:35:28pm

There's going to be an awful lot of live-blogging going on in the next couple weeks.

9 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:35:37pm

re: #6 FXArtist

Jindal would be a fantastic choice.

Huh?

The Intelligent Design backer?

No way.

10 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:35:52pm

He can string five words together in a row, AND he doesn't showboat like a Navy battle group on parade. He's an improvement from the current crop of prominent RepugnithugliKKKans, that's for sure...

I suggest Megadeth's "Peace Sells" for the convention theme...

/only partly kidding

11 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:36:34pm

Corsi on Fox.

/Skeletor actually beat him up pretty good, now it's Hannity for the rehab

12 ted  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:36:56pm

Rudy's a fabulous choice.
America's Mayor.

13 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:36:56pm

I wish Rudy were our nominee but I hope this does not mean he is the VP pick. McCain needs to select either a conservative like Hunter to energize the base. Or a woman like Palin to attract the Hillary supporters away from the Democrats. The last thing he needs is another male, centrist Republican, like himself.

14 BGOH  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:37:24pm

Great to hear! I'm also thrilled to hear that Sarah Palin will be given a place of honor at the convention. I truly believe that she is a future leader of the GOP, and it is good to see her getting a prime time slot!

Now, it would be nice if CBS could spell JindAl's name right...

15 Macker  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:37:53pm

What about Michael Steele? Here's his 'I Love Puppies" ad!

16 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:38:37pm

Are we going to get Zell Miller again? That was a moment to remember. "Nothing makes this old marine madder...."

17 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:38:46pm

Rudy would make a natural choice for Attorney General in a McCain administration.

18 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:38:58pm

Finally, all of us who were saying RUDY RUDY RUDY! will have an actual reason to say RUDY RUDY RUDY!

19 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:39:01pm

re: #13 Neo Con since 9-11

Or a woman like Palin to attract the Hillary supporters away from the Democrats.

Democracy Republic, whiskey, sexy!

20 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:39:30pm

re: #16 cliffster

Are we going to get Zell Miller again? That was a moment to remember. "Nothing makes this old marine madder...."

It was the epitome of "barn-burner". I have it saved.

21 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:40:01pm

re: #13 Neo Con since 9-11

I wish Rudy were our nominee but I hope this does not mean he is the VP pick. McCain needs to select either a conservative like Hunter to energize the base. Or a woman like Palin to attract the Hillary supporters away from the Democrats. The last thing he needs is another male, centrist Republican, like himself.

Lieberman would cause many heads to explode. Hence, he is my choice.

22 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:41:58pm

I'm still operating on my theory that the closer to the center a ticket is, the better its chance of winning. If McCain, a centrist Republican, chooses Lieberman, a centrist (former) Democrat, it would be like a quasar of centrism, expelling Obamatons to the fringes of the known universe.

23 Panhandler  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:42:03pm

re: #21 zombie

Lieberman would cause many heads to explode. Hence, he is my choice.


Too many of your current friends moving away? Trying to increase the size of the Zombie Bloc?

24 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:42:13pm

re: #16 cliffster

Are we going to get Zell Miller again? That was a moment to remember. "Nothing makes this old marine madder...."

With what? SPITBALLS!

What a great speech that was.

25 Hucbald  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:43:22pm

So, conservatives have been completely shut out then?

Whatever, they're all lawyers anyway. Sub-human scum without honor.

26 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:43:33pm

Arnold is part of the festivities? Shit, dude might as well be a Dem. Sheesh.

27 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:43:53pm

re: #22 zombie

I'm still operating on my theory that the closer to the center a ticket is, the better its chance of winning. If McCain, a centrist Republican, chooses Lieberman, a centrist (former) Democrat, it would be like a quasar of centrism, expelling Obamatons to the fringes of the known universe.

You may be right, but it would be a heck of a gamble.

28 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:44:04pm

Palin speaking on Tuesday doesn't "eliminate" her as a possibility, does it?

I find it weird that the VP choice would speak TWICE at the convention.

29 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:44:13pm

Mandy Manners will be feeling an Chris Matthews like tingle in her leg.

30 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:44:39pm

re: #25 Hucbald

So, conservatives have been completely shut out then?

How do you define conservative? Thats a word that doesn't really mean much anymore.

31 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:44:41pm

re: #21 zombie

Lieberman would cause many heads to explode. Hence, he is my choice.

I respect Lieberman even though I don't agree with him on most issues. The problem is McCain is likely a one termer and when he retires his VP has the advantages of incumbency. If McCain chooses Lieberman and he does retire in 2012 that leaves us with a Democrat in a very strong chance of winning the 2012 election.

32 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:44:49pm

re: #22 zombie

I'm still operating on my theory that the closer to the center a ticket is, the better its chance of winning. If McCain, a centrist Republican, chooses Lieberman, a centrist (former) Democrat, it would be like a quasar of centrism, expelling Obamatons to the fringes of the known universe.

As they say in Texas, the only thing in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos.

33 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:45:16pm

re: #22 zombie

I'm still operating on my theory that the closer to the center a ticket is, the better its chance of winning. If McCain, a centrist Republican, chooses Lieberman, a centrist (former) Democrat, it would be like a quasar of centrism, expelling Obamatons to the fringes of the known universe.

Um. no.

/it's a big loser ticket, even the Bonkeys don't like Lieberman

34 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:46:23pm

Well, since Mandy doesn't seem to be out here, I'll do it!
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

I too hope for a Rudy VP selection! As for Joe Lieberman, wouldn't he have to change parties (I know he's and Independent, but he caucuses with the Dems in the Senate)?!

35 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:46:42pm

re: #14 BGOH

Great to hear! I'm also thrilled to hear that Sarah Palin will be given a place of honor at the convention. I truly believe that she is a future leader of the GOP, and it is good to see her getting a prime time slot!

Now, it would be nice if CBS could spell JindAl's name right...

MOOSEBURGERS!

36 SpartanWoman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:47:03pm

McCain could pick the rogue monkey of Tokyo as VP and I would vote for him. Hell, he could even choose Hillary and I would still stand on line to vote for him. Obama is just too dangerous a choice for me to say "sorry, lousy VP pick so I'm voting for the weather underground/sds candidate".

Honestly, I can not think of a possible choice that would offend me enough to either irresponsibly stay home or vote for the O.

Keep the chump change, Barry

37 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:47:34pm

Obama/Leiberman!

/save McCain from himself

38 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:47:50pm

I didn't see Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan on that list of speakers. Whats up with that?
/

39 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:47:51pm

re: #31 Neo Con since 9-11

I respect Lieberman even though I don't agree with him on most issues. The problem is McCain is likely a one termer and when he retires his VP has the advantages of incumbency. If McCain chooses Lieberman and he does retire in 2012 that leaves us with a Democrat in a very strong chance of winning the 2012 election.

That would be true if Lieberman was a Democrat. You forgot that he quit the party, and is officially independent.

I would love to see an independent win the Presidency. Anything to break this onerous two-party system.

40 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:47:54pm

Draft Sarah Palin for VP!

Eye candy with BRAINS!

(Sorry, zombie, hers is still working. Not zombie-food. Try Hillary or Nancy or Helen Thomas instead...)

41 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:48:04pm

re: #25 Hucbald
"they're all lawyers anyway. Sub-human scum without honor."
I say this in all sincerity: Fuck you!

42 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:48:53pm

RINO/DINO?

/please

43 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:49:38pm

re: #36 SpartanWoman

McCain could pick the rogue monkey of Tokyo as VP and I would vote for him. Hell, he could even choose Hillary and I would still stand on line to vote for him. Obama is just too dangerous a choice for me to say "sorry, lousy VP pick so I'm voting for the weather underground/sds candidate".

Honestly, I can not think of a possible choice that would offend me enough to either irresponsibly stay home or vote for the O.

Keep the chump change, Barry

What if he picks Obama? What would happen then? Wouldn't, like, the universe crack into pieces or something?

44 kefirah  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:49:40pm

re: #39 zombie

i agree with you re: two-party system, but since we operate with a "first past the post" voting paradigm, i doubt the two-party system is going anywhere.

which makes me quite sad.

and i'm feeling conflicted about lieberman [one second i love the idea, the next second not so much] - but would be THRILLED with rudy.

45 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:49:40pm

re: #32 Colonel Panik

As they say in Texas, the only thing in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos.

re: #33 Killian Bundy

Um. no.

/it's a big loser ticket, even the Bonkeys don't like Lieberman

I beg to differ. The electorate is in a Bell curve. The vast majority of voters are in the middle.

46 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:49:44pm

re: #39 zombie

Independent's can't govern.

Jesse "the Meathead" Ventura ended up being the bitch of the local Democrats.

47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:49:53pm
His Tuesday night address will follow primetime speeches from Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

To me, that would seem to rule out any of those 3 being VP choices. Just my opinion.

48 kefirah  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:50:08pm

re: #41 realwest

amen. glad someone else took offense.

49 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:51:12pm

The Republican lineup is damned good and will help deflate any bounce that Obama might get the week before.

I like the image of heads exloding, much like Mars Attacks. But the election needs to be about Obama - as people scrutinize they say "no thanks" and are unlikely to go back.

50 Mr. E. Train  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:51:21pm

I want Lieberman for Sec of State, not VP. It would almost be worth it though to watch the 'sploding moonbat heads.

51 esch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:51:57pm

re: #25 Hucbald

Whatever, they're all lawyers anyway. Sub-human scum without honor.

Many lawyers are bad. I've had the pleasure of knowing some fine, decent ones.

The ones that scare me are bad doctors, they can screw you up way worse than a bad lawyer. I've met a frightening amount of them.

52 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:01pm

re: #39 zombie

I would love to see an independent win the Presidency. Anything to break this onerous two-party system.

Me too. But by design, thats just about impossible.

The Presidential candidate has to win a majority, not a plurality of electoral votes. If no one wins a majority of the electoral votes, then it gopes to the House where each State's representatives get one single vote and to win a candidate would need to win 26 States. It is close to impossible for a 3rd Party candidate to ever be President.

53 Lawrior  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:05pm

re: #9 victor_yugo

Jindal had some promise, though I have cooled on him. I was very excited about him until the ID issue, followed by the pay hike flap.

I think it is far too early to grant Jindal the nod for VP. Just because the Dems have gone with a candidate of limited experience does not mean that we follow suit. I think we can look to Jindal in a few years, when it is more apparent how he has cleaned up Louisiana.

54 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:21pm

re: #36 SpartanWoman

McCain could pick the rogue monkey of Tokyo as VP and I would vote for him. Hell, he could even choose Hillary and I would still stand on line to vote for him. Obama is just too dangerous a choice for me to say "sorry, lousy VP pick so I'm voting for the weather underground/sds candidate".

Honestly, I can not think of a possible choice that would offend me enough to either irresponsibly stay home or vote for the O.

EXACTLY!

No matter who McCain picks, HE WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE. If he therefore picks a centrist VP, he will pick up centrist voters, which will put him over the top.

Seriously, how many conservatives will sit home and mope and purposely let Obama win because they're dissatisfied with the Republican VP? Not bloody many, I envision.

55 Zimriel  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:23pm

McCain needs executive experience, for the country's sake as well as his own. That rules out another Senator like Lieberman. And he needs someone brave (not Jindal) and competent (not Huckabee).

If he chooses Giuliani he may as well appoint the skeletons of Theodore Roosevelt and Bismarck to his cabinet. It'll be four years of nationalist progressive "bully" B.S., ugh. What's more, the Democrats will campaign against that ticket ("war, war, war, war, neocon, war"). Giuliani would be a perfect AG though.

I'd like Palin but I will settle for Romney.

56 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:29pm

Sad thing is that I can't even think of a Republican that I'd like like McCain to select for VP.

57 SpartanWoman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:52:35pm

re: #43 cliffster

What if he picks Obama? What would happen then? Wouldn't, like, the universe crack into pieces or something?

Yep, even if he picked an obama, McCain would be my choice...of course it would have to be Michelle who despite her anger and gaffes is less dangerous than her husband.

But that is as likely as BHO choosing Jeb Bush or Huckabee

58 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:53:03pm

re: #45 zombie

I beg to differ. The electorate is in a Bell curve. The vast majority of voters are in the middle.

Which in my mind means they don't have strong convictions regarding much of anything. It's a shame.

59 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:53:21pm

re: #45 zombie

I beg to differ. The electorate is in a Bell curve. The vast majority of voters are in the middle.

Lieberman is as left as they come on every issue except the war.

/sorry, Republicans aren't buying it

60 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:53:24pm

re: #39 zombie

Lieberman didn't quit the Democrats. They threw him out along with me and every other sane individual. Still you are right. I too would love to see an Independent win the white house.

61 kefirah  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:53:42pm

re: #53 Lawrior

glad to see you finally posting.

the party needs to keep jindal "in spring training" - much like the democrats could have and should have done with obamessiah. season him, get him the ever-dreaded experience - and then unleash him.

62 maddogg  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:53:44pm

I saw Rudy Giuliani speak in Little Rock a month or so ago. He is a very relaxed speaker in front of thousands of people. He will do well.

63 pat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:54:13pm

I like Giuliani.

64 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:54:15pm

re: #45 zombie But as I asked above, wouldn't Lieberman have to drop the Independent and become a Republican, even in in name only?
I'd personally rather have Rudy, but if not Rudy, then someone like Sarah Palin.

65 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:54:44pm

Bolton for Sec State or Ambassador to UN?
Lieberman for Sec State or UN Ambassador or Ambassador to Israel?
Petreaus, to valuable in Iraq or can he clean out the DoD...
Cheney, back to DoD or to the DoE...
Secretary of Education, this is a post IMHAO more important than any other Cabinet position, Palin?

66 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:54:51pm

re: #42 Killian Bundy

RINO/DINO?

/please

We could call it the DRINO ticket.

Personally, since they're both "in name only," I see that as a plus in most voters' eyes. Most people are sick of the two leading parties, and their monopoly.

67 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:55:05pm

re: #54 zombie

Seriously, how many conservatives will sit home and mope and purposely let Obama win because they're dissatisfied with the Republican VP? Not bloody many, I envision.

/pick Lieberman as VP and you'll find out real damn quick

68 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:55:14pm

re: #54 zombie

Except for the "creative destruction" type of conservatives, who feel that the only way for conservative governance to be restored eventually is to have us all be reduced to utter serfdom for a while. I find little comfort in that theory, personally, but I do hear it being espoused.

69 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:55:36pm

re: #40 victor_yugo

Draft Sarah Palin for VP!

Eye candy with BRAINS!

(Sorry, zombie, hers is still working. Not zombie-food. Try Hillary or Nancy or Helen Thomas instead...)

How about Megyn Kelly?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133828,00.html

70 kefirah  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:56:16pm

re: #65 kuffar

in my mind, it would be FAR more satisfactory to have lieberman as secretary of state. then you can rest assured he won't undermine your secretary of defense with obsequious attempts at "diplomacy," because that's the realm where lieberman and we republicans see eye to eye - the war on terror is legitimate and must continue.

plus, then the saudis have to shake his hand.

and that mental image makes me smile.

71 SpartanWoman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:56:52pm

re: #54 zombie

EXACTLY!

No matter who McCain picks, HE WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE. If he therefore picks a centrist VP, he will pick up centrist voters, which will put him over the top.

Seriously, how many conservatives will sit home and mope and purposely let Obama win because they're dissatisfied with the Republican VP? Not bloody many, I envision.

I'm pretty conservative and I know the difference between the President and the VP, I suspect most other conservatives know this difference too. The likelihood of ending up with President Lieberman or Guiliani because they were VP is small but sitting home or voting for Barr or even Obama himself out of spite will make a dem presidency a reality

72 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:57:13pm

re: #56 Ringo the Gringo

Sad thing is that I can't even think of a Republican that I'd like like McCain to select for VP.

That is my problem as well. We're of a mind on this.

73 Mr. E. Train  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:57:15pm

re: #39 zombie

Yep, The Moonbats hate Lieberman with a passion. It would be like the Right suddenly voting for Chuck Hagle for POTUS.

74 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:58:08pm

re: #54 zombie

I agree with your analysis. Whoever owns the center will win.

75 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:58:48pm

re: #66 zombie

We could call it the DRINO ticket.

"Don't drink the DRINO."

re: #69 cliffster

How about Megyn Kelly?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1338 28,00.html

Nope. The VP candidate needs to know how to work within the system. She's an outsider.

76 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:59:02pm

McCain/Palin '08!

77 SpartanWoman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:59:06pm

McCain/Clinton 08..........now there's an end to the glo-bama for ever.

78 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 9:59:20pm

re: #72 zombie

Face it, there aren't many well-known Republicans out there that appeal to anyone. That's not to say there aren't any--it's just that they're still in the background.

79 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:00:04pm

re: #40 victor_yugo

Draft Sarah Palin for VP!

Eye candy with BRAINS!

(Sorry, zombie, hers is still working. Not zombie-food. Try Hillary or Nancy or Helen Thomas instead...)

I don't know much about Sarah Palin. Can you fill me in?

80 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:00:24pm

re: #76 DesertSage

McCain/Palin '08!

It'd set the stage for the first woman President, a Republican to boot. I like it. Just, I never heard her until her name started getting floated as a Veep...

81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:00:31pm

re: #78 calcajun

Face it, there aren't many well-known Republicans out there that appeal to anyone. That's not to say there aren't any--it's just that they're still in the background.

Well known Republican?

McCain/Voight '08?

82 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:00:32pm

re: #58 Cartman

Which in my mind means they don't have strong convictions regarding much of anything. It's a shame.

True. They have no convictions. And yet, they vote. They decide elections. They vote for Reagan one year, then Clinton twelve years later. They have no core beliefs. Hard as it may be for us to imagine, centrism and "not standing for anything" actually are a plus for many voters. Hell, Arnold won the governorship here, and he stands for nothing except big muscles. McClintock was a better conservative, Bustamente a more demented liberal. And Arnie stomped 'em both.

Centrism. It's the new pink.

83 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:01:25pm

re: #72 zombie

That is my problem as well. We're of a mind on this.

I really do like Michael Steele - he's my kind of Republican - but his resume is just too thin....and people would think he was selected just because he's black.

84 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:01:31pm

re: #77 SpartanWoman

McCain/Clinton 08..........now there's an end to the glo-bama for ever.

That ticket lends a whole new meaning to holding your nose in the voting booth. More like throwing up in your mouth a little, whilst pulling the lever.

85 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:01:51pm

She has nice legs and she likes motorcycles. That's good enough for me.

86 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:01:59pm

re: #64 realwest

But as I asked above, wouldn't Lieberman have to drop the Independent and become a Republican, even in in name only?
I'd personally rather have Rudy, but if not Rudy, then someone like Sarah Palin.

Not sure about that. If McCain picks him, wouldn't the Party have to cave?

Sure, Rudy'd be OK with me too, but I doubt he'll get the nod.

87 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:02:11pm

re: #82 zombie

"Never underestimate the power of large numbers of stupid people"

88 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:02:20pm

re: #80 kuffar

Michael Palin--there's a thought.

The lady is not known outside of Alaska (where it's tougher). Think electoral politics. McCain needs to shore up the mid-west and there are only a few people that fit the bill. Tim Pawlenty is a good fit.

89 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:02:26pm

re: #84 Cartman

That ticket lends a whole new meaning to holding your nose in the voting booth. More like throwing up in your mouth a little, whilst pulling the lever.


More like throwing up on your shoes.

90 jcm  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:02:44pm

Since Mandy's not here.....

RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY

91 Stuck in california  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:03:03pm

Arnie is not GOP, keep him away!

92 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:03:25pm

re: #67 Killian Bundy

/pick Lieberman as VP and you'll find out real damn quick

I think we will indeed. 15 million conservatives will throw a fit and stay home. And 20 million centrists will suddenly vote for McCain.

93 esch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:03:26pm

re: #84 Cartman

Make sure to keep the booths well stocked in barf bags.

94 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:03:41pm

re: #88 calcajun

Michael Palin--there's a thought.

The lady is not known outside of Alaska (where it's tougher). Think electoral politics. McCain needs to shore up the mid-west and there are only a few people that fit the bill. Tim Pawlenty is a good fit.

Yeah, but I want the first Lady President to have an R after her name.

95 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:04:08pm

re: #85 DesertSage

She has nice legs and she likes motorcycles. That's good enough for me.

And guns. NRA member for years.

96 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:04:10pm

re: #89 Killer Tomato

More like throwing up on your shoes.

Yep

97 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:04:16pm

Another guy to look for filling a key spot in a McCain administration is Ryan C. Crocker, the US Ambassador to Iraq. He is the smartest and most respected person in the State Department and right up there with Ben Franklin as the greatest ever American diplomat.

98 esch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:04:52pm

Vote Cranky/Cankles 08!

99 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:08pm

re: #92 zombie

I think we will indeed. 15 million conservatives will throw a fit and stay home. And 20 million centrists will suddenly vote for McCain.

Yeah, but if McCain says vote for me and Lieberman because it will piss off the Demorats and Moonbats, will they vote just to see all the frothing at the mouth anger of the leftards? I would just to see the Kosmonkeys flinging poo from their cages...

100 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:13pm

re: #68 rawmuse

Except for the "creative destruction" type of conservatives, who feel that the only way for conservative governance to be restored eventually is to have us all be reduced to utter serfdom for a while. I find little comfort in that theory, personally, but I do hear it being espoused.

It's a terrible, terrible strategy.

Once you go left-totalitarian, you never come back. Just ask the Cubans. Just ask the Zimbabweans, Just ask the Chinese. Just ask the Burmese.

Not a good way to "learn a lesson."

101 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:15pm

re: #95 victor_yugo

And guns. NRA member for years.


And she cooks mooseburgers for her kids. Beats ecrueil frittes a la huckabee.

102 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:18pm

PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!
PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!
PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!
PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!
PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!PALIN!
or Hunter

103 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:28pm

re: #92 zombie

I think we will indeed. 15 million conservatives will throw a fit and stay home. And 20 million centrists will suddenly vote for McCain.

A stay home voter costs one vote.

A defection costs the other guy 2.

104 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:41pm

re: #87 rawmuse

"Never underestimate the power of large numbers of stupid people"

It's,

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
105 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:05:48pm

re: #97 Mich-again

Another guy to look for filling a key spot in a McCain administration is Ryan C. Crocker, the US Ambassador to Iraq. He is the smartest and most respected person in the State Department and right up there with Ben Franklin as the greatest ever American diplomat.

Is he Betty's husband?

106 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:05pm

How 'bout ol' T. Boone Pickens?

/

107 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:09pm

re: #94 kuffar

Yeah, but I want the first Lady President to have an R after her name.

I want the first African American president to have an R next to their name....in honor of Abraham Lincoln.

108 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:23pm

re: #74 Mich-again

I agree with your analysis. Whoever owns the center will win.

Well, yes and no. It truly depends on the turnout. Dems already outnumber Republicans in terms of registered voters and with Obama - so far - the Dem base does seem to be a lot more energized.
The real battle is for the Independents - or at least those who say they are independents and McCain would have to take a huge % of them AND HAVE the Republican Base all on board with him.While that would seem to make Lieberman a lock,
I sincerely think enough "conservative" Repub's would not vote at all. Not because Lieberman is an Independent, but because he ran for VP on the Dem Ticket and so I think it's fair to ask where his priorities are and where his loyalties are: he STILL caucuses with the Dems in the Senate.
If not Sarah Palin (who would, I believe, soldify the Republican Base, with McCain himself appealing to the Idependents) then Romney.

109 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:41pm

re: #106 Cartman

RINO

110 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:43pm

re: #91 Stuck in california

Arnie is not GOP, keep him away!

RINOLD SCHWARZENKAISER

111 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:06:43pm

re: #5 Ringo the Gringo

I have a funny feeling that Bobby Jindal will be McCain's VP choice.

Jindal said no. He has his work to do at home ... what has changed?

112 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:07:01pm

By the way -

McCain camp blasted Obama on Ayers today ...

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

Head shot.

113 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:07:43pm

No matter who the next President is, we are going to get this agenda
1) global warming/carbon credits
2) close Gitmo
3) Amnesty for illegals
4) possible global taxation.

So, we've got Socialism or Socialism Lite.

114 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:07:52pm

re: #94 kuffar

You probably will--just not this time around. McCain looked "sprightly" on Saturday. He'll make it through a term.

115 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:08:07pm

re: #92 zombie

I think we will indeed. 15 million conservatives will throw a fit and stay home. And 20 million centrists will suddenly vote for McCain.

You wish.

/look, you walk out your front door and take photographs of things that would lead to mass arrests anywhere else in this country, think about it

116 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:08:07pm

re: #90 jcm

Since Mandy's not here.....

RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY RUDY

I was wondering if she was sleeping ... good on ya.

117 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:08:15pm

1. Sarah Palin
2. Mitt Romney
3. Duncan Hunter
4. Michael Steele

118 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:08:24pm

re: #109 calcajun

RINO

That's what the sarc tag was for.

119 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:08:42pm

re: #86 zombie No, actually zombie I think to run on the Republican Ticket as VP, Joe would have to "convert" legally.

120 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:09:00pm

re: #118 Cartman

It's late. I'm tired. So Sorry.

121 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:09:01pm

re: #104 calcajun

To whom is the quote properly attributed? I don't know.

122 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:09:02pm

I wasn't sure whether this was the place to reveal this about myself, but here goes.

Co-commenters, posters, reader and lurkers -- my friends -- I'm proud to announce that I've just received a call from my mentor and good friend John McCain.

I will be your Vice Presidential nominee.

McCain/'Nito '08.

Thank you for your support.

123 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:09:11pm

Don't forget, a lot of those "independents" are further to the right no some issues then McCain. I think some people here are making a mistake when they think all these umpty-ump million independents are nothing more than watered down donks.

McCain is centrist enough as it is. He needs to throw some red meat to his base. Some salmon or mooseburgers. SARAH PALIN!

124 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:09:11pm

Zombie - I updated my icon as an homage to 'splodin heads.

125 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:02pm

re: #121 rawmuse

Go to [Link: www.despair.com...]
[Link: despair.com...]

126 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:04pm

re: #90 jcm Uh, please see my #34! LOL!

127 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:07pm

re: #91 Stuck in california

Arnie is not GOP, keep him away!

Arnie is constitutionally ineliglble, anyway.

128 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:12pm

PIMF "on some issues".

129 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:32pm

re: #120 calcajun

Didn't mean to be cranky, there. My bad.

130 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:10:49pm

re: #129 Cartman

s'ok.

131 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:11:21pm

re: #122 Cognito

I wasn't sure whether this was the place to reveal this about myself, but here goes.

Co-commenters, posters, reader and lurkers -- my friends -- I'm proud to announce that I've just received a call from my mentor and good friend John McCain.

I will be your Vice Presidential nominee.

McCain/'Nito '08.

Thank you for your support.

Now I'm gonna have to re access my support for McCain :(

132 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:11:27pm

re: #122 Cognito

I'll jump on board with that.
Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito! Cognito!

133 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:12:09pm

Well, my boy here wants the computer for his games and I need to work on the getting the high blood pressure under control with the exercise bike--night lizards!

134 jcm  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:13:12pm

An Animals trial continues in the Northwest.

BOISE, Idaho (AP) - A boy who was kidnapped, tortured and shot by Joseph Edward Duncan III likely suffered excruciating pain before his death, a forensic pediatrician told jurors Wednesday.

[snip]

Duncan pleaded guilty in December to 10 federal counts in the 2005 kidnapping of the Coeur d'Alene-area children and the murder of the boy. A jury must decide whether Duncan should be executed or spend life in prison without parole.

Duncan, acting as his own attorney in the sentencing phase, suggested in cross-examining Cooper that the girl was exaggerating her brother's injury.

"How much in your experience do children tend to elaborate or exaggerate and fill in details ... especially after a traumatic experience like that?" Duncan asked.


***CAUTION DETAILS***
That should not be read by man or beast

135 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:13:26pm

I just cooked up a new bumper sticker in Photoshop.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

136 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:13:45pm

re: #111 Bobibutu

Jindal said no. He has his work to do at home ... what has changed?


His speaking position at the convention tells me some thing's up with him...just speculation.

137 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:03pm

re: #122 Cognito

I wasn't sure whether this was the place to reveal this about myself, but here goes.

Co-commenters, posters, reader and lurkers -- my friends -- I'm proud to announce that I've just received a call from my mentor and good friend John McCain.

I will be your Vice Presidential nominee.

McCain/'Nito '08.

Thank you for your support.

They'll have to rename it The Contrarian Party.

;)

138 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:10pm

NORTH, TO ALASKA! WE GO NORTH, THE RUSH IS ON!

139 jcm  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:29pm

re: #126 realwest

Uh, please see my #34! LOL!

LOL!
Completely scrolled past that!

Is that worth get out of one *whack* free card?

140 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:30pm

re: #119 realwest

No, actually zombie I think to run on the Republican Ticket as VP, Joe would have to "convert" legally.

Hmmm, interesting. That seriously decreases the chances of him accepting the spot, then. I doubt he would convert to R-dom.

141 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:42pm

re: #113 rawmuse

No matter who the next President is, we are going to get this agenda
1) global warming/carbon credits
2) close Gitmo
3) Amnesty for illegals
4) possible global taxation.

So, we've got Socialism or Socialism Lite.

Depend on tax increases or a decrease in benefits.

Because ...

The cost of security - national and international.

Seniors are living longer.

Social Security is almost toast.

Federal deficit.

142 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:14:51pm

re: #135 The Other Les

Okay--one more post.

Something kinky; The Story of "O" part II-- This time, we end up in bondage.

143 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:15:23pm

re: #124 karmic_inquisitor

Zombie - I updated my icon as an homage to 'splodin heads.

Nice!

144 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:15:23pm

re: #135 The Other Les

I just cooked up a new bumper sticker in Photoshop.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Not bad!

145 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:15:26pm

re: #100 zombie

BTW, did you see this new PBS special on the Cultural Revolution of China in the 1960s? It was called "Morning Glory". It was actually very critical of the commies! You could have knocked me over with a feather. It perfectly illustrated the Left and their tendency to eat their own.

146 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:16:09pm

re: #136 Ringo the Gringo

His speaking position at the convention tells me some thing's up with him...just speculation.

Well ... popcorn time anyway. ;-)

147 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:16:22pm

re: #105 Colonel Panik

He is the guy who wrote a report for President Bush before the Iraq war (A Perfect Storm) warning him that if Saddam Hussein were taken out, it would unleash a bloody sectarian war between the Shia and Sunni. It was discredited initially, but then later his analysis turned out to be 100% correct. GWB eventually realized Crocker knew what he was talking about so he asked him to be Ambassador and formulate the plan to fix the situation in Iraq. And since he took that job everything has indeed turned around.

148 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:17:48pm

re: #141 Bobibutu

Fiscally, we're fooked, yes.

149 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:04pm

re: #145 rawmuse

BTW, did you see this new PBS special on the Cultural Revolution of China in the 1960s? It was called "Morning Glory". It was actually very critical of the commies! You could have knocked me over with a feather. It perfectly illustrated the Left and their tendency to eat their own.

I heard about that. Amazing! A non-commie show on PBS. What's next: NPR ceasing to snicker snootily at right-wingers for one whole minute?

150 BGOH  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:12pm

Since we're having a veep conversation, I think it is important to bear in mind that it is important to bear in mind that whoever McCain picks as a VP should be a strong candidate for the nomination in 2012. If we're all honest with ourselves, John McCain is going to be a one term president (and I think he will announce just that at the convention), so whoever is his VP has a leg up in the next cycle. I hadn't thought about it until recently, but that brings Jindal and Palin back into play immediately, even though I had been operating under the assumption that they were just too young.

If either of them could help McCain win this year, with the experience that either will gain as VP will be invaluable in '12. I like either of them much better than any of the boring choices that have been mentioned so far (Pawlenty, Christ, etc.).

151 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:42pm

re: #148 rawmuse

Fiscally, we're fooked, yes.

Is that a cross between "flayed and cooked"?

Or "fraid and spooked"?

152 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:42pm

re: #148 rawmuse

Fiscally, we're fooked, yes.

ROGER THAT!

153 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:56pm

re: #108 realwest

I don't see massive numbers of Republican voters staying home and giving the election to Obama in protest. Like Geddy Lee said, If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

154 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:18:57pm

re: #142 calcajun

Okay--one more post.

Something kinky; The Story of "O" part II-- This time, we end up in bondage.

I must respectfully decline the request.

155 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:19:00pm

re: #87 rawmuse

"Never underestimate the power of large numbers of stupid people"

The saying I know is, "Beware of stupid people in large groups". Makes sense actually, the larger the group, the lower the collective I.Q.

156 coquimbojoe  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:19:15pm

re: #135 The Other Les

Nice work!

157 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:19:22pm

re: #151 victor_yugo

Is that a cross between "flayed and cooked"?

Or "fraid and spooked"?

It's Cockney for...you know the rest.

158 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:01pm

re: #151 victor_yugo

Should be pronounced with an Irish or Scots accent, for the proper effect.

159 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:26pm

re: #150 BGOH

Jindal is just too young. And inexperienced. I think McCain's VP will be scrutinized very carefully due to McCain's age. There is a real change he might not make it through 4 years.

Hey real! Good evening!

160 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:27pm

re: #155 BlueCanuck

The saying I know is, "Beware of stupid people in large groups". Makes sense actually, the larger the group, the lower the collective I.Q.

Group IQ = lowest IQ in group / number of ppl in group

161 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:32pm

re: #149 zombie

I heard about that. Amazing! A non-commie show on PBS. What's next: NPR ceasing to snicker snootily at right-wingers for one whole minute?

Didn't someone get fired for standing up for the National Anthem?

162 realwest  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:54pm

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I just HAVE to get some sleep NOW!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

163 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:20:56pm

re: #150 BGOH

Sarah Palin, because every good man has a good woman behind him...

164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:21:07pm

re: #141 Bobibutu

Depend on tax increases or a decrease in benefits.

Because ...

The cost of security - national and international.

Seniors are living longer.

Social Security is almost toast.

Federal deficit.

Isn't it wonderful spending most of your adult life realizing they're taking your money for Social Security and by the time you get ready to collect it, you'll never see a fucking dime?

165 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:21:09pm

re: #147 Mich-again

Mich-again, I believe you are referring to Kenneth Pollack, who wrote "The threatening storm" [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

166 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:21:27pm

re: #150 BGOH

I like either of them much better than any of the boring choices that have been mentioned so far (Pawlenty, Christ, etc.).

If Christ is McCain's VP, he a lock to win!

167 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:22:01pm

PIMF

There is a real change chance he might not make it through 4 years.

/geez, now Obama's got me going!

168 jcm  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:22:26pm

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Isn't it wonderful spending most of your adult life realizing they're taking your money for Social Security and by the time you get ready to collect it, you'll never see a fucking dime?

If any corporate CEO ran a pension like SS they'd be enjoying stripped sunlight and Bubba's affection.

169 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:22:51pm

re: #166 DesertSage

If Christ is McCain's VP, he a lock to win!

And they won't run out of wine at the inauguration balls either.

170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:22:54pm

re: #160 victor_yugo

Group IQ = lowest IQ in group / number of ppl in group

2 of Kragar's Laws:

Stay away from large groups of people.

Stupidity is fatal.

171 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:23:29pm

re: #155 BlueCanuck

The saying I know is, "Beware of stupid people in large groups". Makes sense actually, the larger the group, the lower the collective I.Q.

If you listen to fools...

172 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:23:41pm

re: #159 Irene NYC

Jindal is just too young. And inexperienced. I think McCain's VP will be scrutinized very carefully due to McCain's age. There is a real change he might not make it through 4 years.

That's a pretty rough thing to say.. One man's 70 is another man's 45. Doctors say he checks out, heart is good, no reason to assume he's going to kick off. My dad is 74 and I'm not working on his obit.

173 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:24:03pm

re: #165 MrPaulRevere

No I wasn't thinking of Kenneth Pollack.

According to the book, Soldier: The Life of Colin Powell by Washington Post reporter Karen DeYoung, as the Bush administration was preparing for war with Iraq in late 2002, then Secretary of State, Colin Powell ordered Crocker and then Special Assistant to the Secretary of State, William Burns to prepare a secret memo examining the risks associated with a U.S. invasion of Iraq.[4] The six-page memo, titled "The Perfect Storm", stated that toppling Saddam Hussein could unleash long-repressed sectarian and ethnic tensions, that the Sunni minority would not easily relinquish power, and that powerful neighbors such as Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia would try to move in to influence events. It also cautioned that the United States would have to start from scratch building a political and economic system because Iraq's infrastructure was in tatters.
174 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:24:07pm

And don't forget the Jew Factor with Lieberman: currently 70% of Jews are planning to vote for Obama. With Lieberman running, I'd be willing to bet many of those will switch sides. Jews are only 2% of the US population, but likely more like 3% - 4% of the voters. A substantial enough swing could move 1 million votes away from Obama to McCain. And that could be enough to swing the entire election, considering how close they are these days.

But if Lieberman actually has to officially join the Republicans, then I suppose he'll never get picked.

175 BGOH  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:24:23pm

re: #166 DesertSage

Whoops! Well, I could certainly get behind THAT ticket!

That's officially my late night typo.

**embarassed**

176 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:24:35pm

re: #166 DesertSage

If Christ is McCain's VP, he a lock to win!

Charlie Crist? He has a skeleton lurking in the closet, a possible paternity case.

177 coquimbojoe  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:24:49pm

re: #157 zombie

It's Cockney for...you know the rest.

I thought it meant we had found Lee Ho Fook's...?

178 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:25:03pm

re: #169 Killer Tomato

And they won't run out of wine at the inauguration balls either.

I think it would be a good pick. They were boyhood friends, weren't they?

179 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:25:38pm

re: #159 Irene NYC

Jindal is just too young. And inexperienced. I think McCain's VP will be scrutinized very carefully due to McCain's age. There is a real change he might not make it through 4 years.

Hey real! Good evening!

And Hillary is maybe positioning herself for the next run as JMc will be a single term Pres.

It's going to be a hell of a battle in '12

180 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:25:45pm

re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth

I like this one. I loved it in the "Heavy Metal" movie. Perfect fit for the opening scene of the final part of the movie.

181 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:25:57pm

re: #162 realwest

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I just HAVE to get some sleep NOW!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

Ta dude.

182 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:26:09pm

re: #150 BGOH

Since we're having a veep conversation, I think it is important to bear in mind that it is important to bear in mind that whoever McCain picks as a VP should be a strong candidate for the nomination in 2012. If we're all honest with ourselves, John McCain is going to be a one term president (and I think he will announce just that at the convention), so whoever is his VP has a leg up in the next cycle. I hadn't thought about it until recently, but that brings Jindal and Palin back into play immediately, even though I had been operating under the assumption that they were just too young.

If either of them could help McCain win this year, with the experience that either will gain as VP will be invaluable in '12. I like either of them much better than any of the boring choices that have been mentioned so far (Pawlenty, Christ, etc.).

Is that smart to announce it right AT the convention? Americans like security. A lot of people would be wary of voting for someone who is limiting themselves to four years, dont you think?

183 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:26:25pm

I don't see the benefit in promising to only serve a single term. Why start off as a lame duck?

184 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:26:57pm

re: #173 Mich-again

My bad...I hate when that happens!

185 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:27:08pm

Rudy's my first choice for veep, especially now that Russia's gotten frisky. Rudy could pick right up immediately if McCain were ill or worse. Joe L would be a fab Sec State.

But the keynote speaker's never been the VP choice, I guess. sniffle. Pawlenty would be good, Mitt would be good, Mark Sanford would be good. If Obama picks old fart Sam Nunn, even Fred becomes a possibility. I like Palin and Jindal (except for the ID thing) but they are too young. with Russia getting frisky, VP is very important.

shrug, we'll see.

186 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:27:21pm

re: #183 rawmuse

I don't see the benefit in promising to only serve a single term. Why start off as a lame duck?

Better than starting off as a lame schmuck, which is Obama's situation.

187 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:27:34pm

re: #176 kuffar

Charlie Crist? He has a skeleton lurking in the closet, a possible paternity case.

No, not "Crist".......Christ!

Just messin' with ya, BGOH :')

188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:28:16pm

re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth

If you listen to fools...

Saw him in concert a few years ago. One of the best concerts I've ever been too. He took a break and his band played the 1812 overture till he got back on stage. It was awesome.

189 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:28:18pm

re: #178 DesertSage

I think it would be a good pick. They were boyhood friends, weren't they?

I think they were a couple of years apart at school. I'll ask my mother - she graduated around the same time.

190 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:28:32pm

re: #187 DesertSage

No, not "Crist".......Christ!

That would indeed be a brilliant winning strategy for McCain: Name Jesus Christ as his VP!

191 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:29:01pm

Mel Martinez is a sleeper VP candidate. I'm just sayin....

192 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:29:04pm

re: #183 rawmuse

I don't see the benefit in promising to only serve a single term. Why start off as a lame duck?

If he has the huevos to go 8 I'm all for it.

We never know till it happens.

193 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:29:50pm

re: #190 zombie

That would indeed be a brilliant winning strategy for McCain: Name Jesus Christ as his VP!

And then Barry would have to make a speech;

"This is not the Christ I knew."

And I'd believe him after he spent so long with Rev. Wright.

194 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:01pm

Pawlenty's not boring. He tore poor Kaine a new one on that Sunday morning show, and one reason some of the blue noses don't like him is that he likes to tell jokes sometimes. Ingraham and Malkin have a problem with that, it seems.

Lieberman is a more boring speaker, IMHO.

But Rudy is the gold standard. sniffle.

195 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:17pm

re: #174 zombie

70 percent of Jews to vote for Obama? Wow. Where do you get that number? Aside from the gray pony tail red diaper baby types, I don't know any.

196 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:23pm

re: #190 zombie

That would indeed be a brilliant winning strategy for McCain: Name Jesus Christ as his VP!

And if Putin had a problem with that, a whole lotta Russians would suddenly have lots o' problems with Putin!

197 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:26pm

re: #180 BlueCanuck

'Twas the one I was first looking for, but I got impatient. Great flick.

198 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:47pm

re: #187 DesertSage

No, not "Crist".......Christ!

McCain/Christ '08? A bit more sacriligious than Messiah/Other Dude '08.

199 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:30:49pm

My dad, who's a big donor thinks it's gonna be Crist. I hope he's wrong.

200 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:31:15pm

Check this out ... posted above

[Link: www.atlah.org...]

201 Macker  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:31:37pm

re: #196 victor_yugo

"Two are everywhere...God and the Tsar."

202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:31:38pm

re: #197 Slumbering Behemoth

'Twas the one I was first looking for, but I got impatient. Great flick.

Stern? Hangings too good for him!

203 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:31:43pm

re: #191 MrPaulRevere

Mel Martinez is a sleeper VP candidate. I'm just sayin....

Michael Reagan. Eh?

204 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:31:54pm

re: #195 rawmuse

70 percent of Jews to vote for Obama? Wow. Where do you get that number? Aside from the gray pony tail red diaper baby types, I don't know any.

I'm Jewish. A lot of my friends are Jewish. None of us are voting for Barack H. Obama.

205 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:32:30pm

Well if it's going to be McCain/Christ, then the Democrats will have no choice but to run Obama/Satan.

206 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:32:52pm

re: #195 rawmuse

70 percent of Jews to vote for Obama? Wow. Where do you get that number? Aside from the gray pony tail red diaper baby types, I don't know any.

I have many Jewish friends here in LA, and all but one (that I'm aware of) plan to vote for Obama.

207 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:33:41pm

re: #200 Bobibutu

"...long-legged Mack Daddy"

208 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:33:56pm

re: #205 Killer Tomato

Well if it's going to be McCain/Christ, then the Democrats will have no choice but to run Obama/Satan.

You mean Obama will have to go with Hillary?

209 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:34:14pm

re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can you feel it? I am focusing hard.

:beams of jealousy aimed in your direction:

210 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:34:15pm

re: #206 Ringo the Gringo

I have many Jewish friends here in LA, and all but one (that I'm aware of) plan to vote for Obama.

Because in LA, everything's about popularity. Damn I hate this place.

211 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:34:15pm

Rove on capturing the center

Neither candidate will be well served by making their principal focus the demonization of the opposition. True believers inside the halls and loyalists in front of their televisions will demand a certain level of abuse of the other party. But more Americans are undecided than have been in nearly 30 years. Voters want to learn more about these two men, their personal values and their public vision. Every possible minute should be spent on these.

212 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:34:36pm

re: #207 rawmuse

"...long-legged Mack Daddy"

He is on a rant or what?

213 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:34:42pm

re: #172 cliffster

I can't think of a harder job in the world than our presidency. I don't care how healthy McCain is now, this job can age anyone quickly. And he's starting out much older than anyone I can remember.

214 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:35:50pm

re: #212 Bobibutu

Yeah, I got no place in my head for him, really. He was funny. Once. ;)

215 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:36:01pm

re: #202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Killing's too good for him!

216 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:36:04pm

Here's another bumper sticker.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

217 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:36:39pm

Doesn't the Jewish population generally tend to lean left?

218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:37:18pm

re: #215 Slumbering Behemoth

Killing's too good for him!

The UN building? Thats a laugh, they turned that into low income housing.

219 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:37:38pm

Jewish Americans, I should clarify.

220 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:37:42pm

re: #216 The Other Les

Here's another bumper sticker.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Try that again.

A new bumper sticker!

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

221 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:37:57pm

re: #217 Cognito

Big time, yes. But, at a certain point, self-preservation instincts kick in.

222 Cartman  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:37:59pm

Well. I think I'll take leave, and practice on the LP. I've almost got the leads down pat on Whitesnake's Here I go Again. Hey, it's a start!

See ya'll tomorrow, hopefully.

G'nite...

223 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:05pm

re: #217 Cognito

Doesn't the Jewish population generally tend to lean left?

note to self - don't go on a cruise with a Jewish organization.

224 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:21pm

Let's see, McCain finally got most Conservatives on board at Saddleback and even took a lead in some polls.

/I have an idea, why doesn't he just pick an uber lefty like Lieberman as his VP and flush all that directly down the toilet?

225 BGOH  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:27pm

re: #182 TheMatrix31

Is that smart to announce it right AT the convention? Americans like security. A lot of people would be wary of voting for someone who is limiting themselves to four years, dont you think?

It is absolutely smart to do. Given John's age, it is reasonable to expect that the age issue will not be major in this cycle, but it certainly would be in the next (he would be 80 in his final year in office if re-elected).

Plus, if he wins with the intention of being a single-term president, he has the opportunity to get a lot of things done that a president who is seeking re-election simply wouldn't be able to do. In short, a one term president can take many more political chances than one who is trying to run for a second term, or one who has won a second term and is, effectively, a lame duck.

A one-term announcement at the convention would be brilliant. And I don't think the polls would even be close from then until November 4th if he made such an announcement.

226 mattm  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:29pm

Rudy! Rudy Rudy!

We need a Zell Miller type speech. Not much has changed in the dem party since then.

227 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:30pm

re: #211 karmic_inquisitor

Rove on capturing the center

If they really engage their brains The One is toast. Otherwise .. we are.

228 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:38pm

re: #191 MrPaulRevere

Martinez is ineligible because he was born in Cuba...at least I'm correcting my own mistakes. Talk about an off night...

229 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:38:49pm

re: #213 Irene NYC

I can't think of a harder job in the world than our presidency. I don't care how healthy McCain is now, this job can age anyone quickly. And he's starting out much older than anyone I can remember.

Every president in modern history started out with normal colored hair. They all, except for Reagan, left office with gray/white hair.

I'm thinking that maybe the presidency will turn McCain's hair brown?

230 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:39:17pm

re: #217 Cognito

Doesn't the Jewish population generally tend to lean left?

Yes. Turning that vote would have the potential to flip PA and that is about it. The Jewish population is concentrated in big, safe blue states.

231 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:39:19pm

re: #220 The Other Les

Can you do one with McCain's image on one side and Obama's on the other and label them Hero and Zero?

232 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:39:30pm

re: #217 Cognito

Doesn't the Jewish population generally tend to lean left?

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Does a bear shit in the woods?

233 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:39:52pm

re: #224 Killian Bundy

Let's see, McCain finally got most Conservatives on board at Saddleback and even took a lead in some polls.

/I have an idea, why doesn't he just pick an uber lefty like Lieberman as his VP and flush all that directly down the toilet?

He just might, because he knows there's no other option for people on the dark red end of the spectrum. Yeah, he might lose a few pouty stay-at-home nutcases, but he'd grab a big chunk of the middle.

234 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:40:00pm

I hate to say it, but all the liberal Jewish people I know are going to continue voting Dem and Obama. It's like a death wish. I don't know what's wrong with them. One of them told me (I kid you not), "I can't just think about America. I have to think about the entire world." I asked about Israel, and the answer was the same. Very, very sad.

235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:40:07pm

re: #209 Slumbering Behemoth

Can you feel it? I am focusing hard.

:beams of jealousy aimed in your direction:

I did feel a tingle.

236 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:40:15pm

re: #217 Cognito

Doesn't the Jewish population generally tend to lean left?

Only the men. But their tailors know how to compensate.

237 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:40:29pm

re: #231 Killer Tomato

Can you do one with McCain's image on one side and Obama's on the other and label them Hero and Zero?

For bumper stickers I'd like to keep it simple.

238 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:40:53pm

re: #232 Bobibutu

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Does a bear shit in the woods?

I asked because some people seemed mystified by that assertion, a few posts ago.

239 esch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:41:32pm

re: #237 The Other Les

For bumper stickers I'd like to keep it simple.

How about "I PITY DA FOOL" with the special O's?

240 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:41:34pm

re: #229 DesertSage

Every president in modern history started out with normal colored hair. They all, except for Reagan, left office with gray/white hair.

I'm thinking that maybe the presidency will turn McCain's hair brown?

I was thinking the exact same thing!
;)

241 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:41:40pm

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The UN building? Thats a laugh, they turned that into low income housing.

Heh.

242 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:41:52pm

re: #234 Irene NYC

Wow. I know the type of which you speak. Upper West Side, gray pony tail, drawstring pants. Am I close?

243 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:43:18pm

re: #239 esch

How about "I PITY DA FOOL" with the special O's?

I think I'll stick to calling him The Zero.

244 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:43:26pm

re: #242 rawmuse

Wow. I know the type of which you speak. Upper West Side, gray pony tail, drawstring pants. Am I close?

In this instance, grey hair, lower 5th Ave, drawstring pants.
;)

245 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:44:57pm

Arnie to speak. Maybe.

246 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:45:23pm

re: #233 Cognito

pouty stay-at-home nutcases

/you're not a Republican, are you?

247 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:45:33pm

Does Palin appeal to the center?

248 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:46:12pm

re: #245 rawmuse

Arnie to speak. Maybe.

Yeah, like the Dems won't figure out that all they have to do to keep Arnie from speaking at the RNC is to hold up the budget a few more days. Duh.

249 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:46:46pm

re: #232 Bobibutu

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Does a bear shit in the woods?

/does the Pope shit in the woods?

250 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:46:47pm

re: #246 Killian Bundy

/you're not a Republican, are you?

Sure.

I also like to win.

251 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:47:17pm

re: #233 Cognito

He just might, because he knows there's no other option for people on the dark red end of the spectrum. Yeah, he might lose a few pouty stay-at-home nutcases, but he'd grab a big chunk of the middle.

The problem is, McCain as himself should already be the part of the ticket to grab the center.

252 BGOH  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:47:25pm

re: #247 kuffar

Does Palin appeal to the center?

If the center digs hot chicks, then, yes. Absolutely.

253 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:47:41pm

There's an Orthodox Jewish family up the street, in 2004 they had Bush/Cheney sign in their front yard....I don't know them but I'm guessing they'll be voting for McCain.

As for the many Jews that I count as friends, they're all Democrats with two exceptions; one Republican and one with a Ron Paul sticker on his car.

254 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:49:00pm

re: #248 Irene NYC

Yeah, like the Dems won't figure out that all they have to do to keep Arnie from speaking at the RNC is to hold up the budget a few more days. Duh.

At this point, the hold out Republicans are the only thing standing between us and a tax increase. The Dems just keep spending. 20 billion dollars is apparently, not enough to run the state of CA.

255 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:49:14pm

re: #247 kuffar

Does Palin appeal to the center?

She's down to earth, very upbeat and not bad on the eyes. I really enjoyed listening to her speak on TV. PLUS she's willing to push drilling in Alaska. And she stopped that ridiculous $200 million bridge to nowhere. Does that help?

256 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:50:04pm

re: #245 rawmuse

Arnie to speak. Maybe.

Carly Fiorina is speaking? Wow.. all you need to do to get a slot at the RNC is screw up a giant, multinational technology company and show up on Fox News every once in awhile..

257 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:50:35pm

re: #195 rawmuse

70 percent of Jews to vote for Obama? Wow. Where do you get that number? Aside from the gray pony tail red diaper baby types, I don't know any.

Back in May, when Hillary was still in the running, Obama already polled 61% of the Jewish vote vs. McCain. Add in the Hillary voters, and it's surely over 70%. Remember, Kerry got 74% of the Jewish vote in 2004.

99.9% of the Jews I know are voting for Obama.

258 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:50:47pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

/does the Pope shit in the woods?

Rarely.

259 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:51:05pm

re: #247 kuffar

Does Palin appeal to the center?

She could pull in a few disgruntled Hillary voters.

260 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:51:33pm

re: #250 Cognito

Sure.

I also like to win.

/well, nominate Lieberman and you'll have to try it without Republicans, McCain is enough of an acquired taste already without a further "Bonkey on the ticket" eye poke

261 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:51:56pm

re: #257 zombie


99.9% of the Jews I know are voting for Obama.

Me too, although I'll admit my cross section may not be representative of the country at large.

That's why I'm confused by the confusion here, about the left-leaning tendencies of the community...

262 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:52:08pm

re: #254 rawmuse

At this point, the hold out Republicans are the only thing standing between us and a tax increase. The Dems just keep spending. 20 billion dollars is apparently, not enough to run the state of CA.

I am soooooo happy we moved back to NY. The taxes in CA and NY are both high but somehow I couldn't tune out the demented politics in CA as much as I can here in NY. Of course it helps a lot to have fiscally-responsible mayors like Giuliani and Bloomberg - you can ignore what's going on in the state capital more easily.
;)

263 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:52:12pm

re: #206 Ringo the Gringo

I have many Jewish friends here in LA, and all but one (that I'm aware of) plan to vote for Obama.

Are we the same person? It's exactly the same with my friends who are Jewish: 100 voting for Obama, 1 toying with voting for McCain.

264 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:52:24pm

re: #260 Killian Bundy

/well, nominate Lieberman and you'll have to try it without Republicans, McCain is enough of an acquired taste already without a further "Bonkey on the ticket" eye poke

So you would stay home?

265 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:52:30pm

re: #257 zombie

Wow. Just, wow.

266 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:52:37pm

re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A tingle? Damn, at the very least you should feel a mild burning sensation. I need to refocus the emerald, then.

Later Lizards.

267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:53:15pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

/does the Pope shit in the woods?

A bear and a rabbit are in the deep woods and have to take a dump.

The bears leans over to the rabbit and asks, "Excuse me, do you have a problem with poop sticking to your fur?"

"Nope, never." answered the rabbit.

So the bear wipes his ass with the rabbit.

268 esch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:54:36pm

re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So you're saying he had a Hare-y ass?

269 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:55:10pm

re: #224 Killian Bundy

Let's see, McCain finally got most Conservatives on board at Saddleback and even took a lead in some polls.

/I have an idea, why doesn't he just pick an uber lefty like Lieberman as his VP and flush all that directly down the toilet?

I don't think he's going to pick Lieberman anyway, now that I learn he'd have to convert to Republicanism in order to run. SO it's a moot point.

I think the McCain bounce came from his weeks-long ad campaign bashing Obama, not from the single church appearance.

270 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:55:59pm

re: #233 Cognito

He just might, because he knows there's no other option for people on the dark red end of the spectrum. Yeah, he might lose a few pouty stay-at-home nutcases, but he'd grab a big chunk of the middle.

I don't buy it, honestly. I'm pro-choice, don't give a hoot about homosexuality one way or the other.....but Lieberman just doesn't have the goods to help McCain bring this home. Ridge is even worse. I call him heart patient mashed potatoes. no flavor

If you want a Jewish veep, Eric Cantor is pretty hot.

271 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:56:50pm

re: #264 Cognito

So you would stay home?

Hell no, I'd vote Obama.

/if we're going to get saddled with leftys no matter what, why go half ass, let's get the Full Monty?

272 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:56:56pm

re: #255 Irene NYC

She's down to earth, very upbeat and not bad on the eyes. I really enjoyed listening to her speak on TV. PLUS she's willing to push drilling in Alaska. And she stopped that ridiculous $200 million bridge to nowhere. Does that help?

The fact that she is a cougar alone makes me wanna vote for her.

273 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:57:23pm

re: #269 zombie

Russi didn't hurt either.

274 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:57:37pm

PIMF Russia

275 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:58:52pm

re: #263 zombie

Are we the same person? It's exactly the same with my friends who are Jewish: 100 voting for Obama, 1 toying with voting for McCain.

Come to think of it, I've never seen you and Ringo in the same place. Hmmmmm.

276 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 10:59:26pm

re: #270 funky chicken


If you want a Jewish veep, Eric Cantor is pretty hot.

It's not about Jewishness. It's about portraying the ability to reach across the proverbial aisle -- a radical move, really -- so that Obama's hip sheen fades, blinding fewer people in the middle.

And Lieberman is strong where a VP needs to be, in my opinion. His weaknesses wouldn't hurt us, with him in the second chair.

277 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:00:14pm

re: #271 Killian Bundy

Don't believe you.

278 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:00:27pm

I think Cognito wants Obama to win.
;)

279 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:00:50pm

re: #278 Irene NYC

I think Cognito wants Obama to win.
;)

Far from it.

280 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:01:10pm

After all, I am the second half of the McCain/'Nito ticket.

281 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:01:33pm

re: #255 Irene NYC

re: #272 kuffar

Being a governor and actually running a state is the best reason... after the cougar thing, of course.

282 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:01:58pm

I'll be handing out buttons later:

'Nito is
Neato

Wear them with pride, my friends.

283 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:02:09pm

Here in the Bay Area almost all of the Jewish folks I know plan to vote for Obama. Pretty disheartening. But there are areas of the country where the Jewish population isn't so insanely left. Florida is one of these, where the Jewish population tends toward the older. I think the Dems will lose a substantial portion of the Jewish vote there.

284 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:02:55pm

re: #271 Killian Bundy

Hell no, I'd vote Obama.

/if we're going to get saddled with leftys no matter what, why go half ass, let's get the Full Monty?

Seriously?

So, faced with a choice between, say, Tony Blair running against Josef Stalin, you'd vote for Stalin?

285 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:03:03pm

re: #281 AmeriDan

re: #272 kuffar

Being a governor and actually running a state is the best reason... after the cougar thing, of course.

True. But is she a Falwell in a skirt? Does she provide them ammunition?

286 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:03:19pm

I'm curious. Where does it say the VP has to be the same party as the POTUS? Originally, whoever had the largest number of votes became President - the runner up became VP.

287 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:03:42pm

re: #283 neocon hippie

Here in the Bay Area almost all of the Jewish folks I know plan to vote for Obama. Pretty disheartening. But there are areas of the country where the Jewish population isn't so insanely left. Florida is one of these, where the Jewish population tends toward the older. I think the Dems will lose a substantial portion of the Jewish vote there.

I think "Bay Area" is the operative facet to that first statement, not necessarily "Jewish folks". Am I wrong?

288 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:04:08pm

re: #279 Cognito

Well, McCain has reached across the aisle enough for 5 senators, so you don't need anyone else on the ticket doing that. Joe, and I like the guy, is just the wrong pick. I don't know that he would even want to be Repub VP.

As for his ability to deliver the Jewish vote - not necessarily. He's Jewish, as in observant Jewish and is in the minority. The Jewish vote, I believe, was split in Connecticut in his last election.

289 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:04:27pm

re: #276 Cognito

It's about portraying the ability to reach across the proverbial aisle

Yeah, because, in fact, Lieberman is not even close to being a Republican on the issues and he's shunned by the Bonkeys.

/a total negative drag on a Republican ticket with zero upside, good thinking

290 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:05:15pm

re: #283 neocon hippie

How is it that MyBarackObama.com is a home for such unbridled anti-Semitism, as richly documented by this blog?

scratching my head...

291 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:05:27pm

re: #283 neocon hippie

Here in the Bay Area almost all of the Jewish folks I know plan to vote for Obama. Pretty disheartening. But there are areas of the country where the Jewish population isn't so insanely left. Florida is one of these, where the Jewish population tends toward the older. I think the Dems will lose a substantial portion of the Jewish vote there.

I have a feeling that more than a few older Jews vote for Republicans in the privacy of the voting booth.

292 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:05:39pm

re: #287 cliffster

I think "Bay Area" is the operative facet to that first statement, not necessarily "Jewish folks". Am I wrong?

Most Jewish folks in the Bay Area are pretty far left.

293 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:06:22pm

re: #292 neocon hippie

Most Jewish folks in the Bay Area are pretty far left.

Fixed that for you. :)

294 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:06:40pm

re: #276 Cognito

It's not about Jewishness. It's about portraying the ability to reach across the proverbial aisle -- a radical move, really -- so that Obama's hip sheen fades, blinding fewer people in the middle.

And Lieberman is strong where a VP needs to be, in my opinion. His weaknesses wouldn't hurt us, with him in the second chair.

The only thing good about Lieberman is his foreign policy stance. On everything else he is a doctrinaire lib. He is especially bad on 2nd Amendment issues. Not only did he vote for gun control bills, he sponsored them.

If you want a Jew, support Cantor. At least he understands that there is a reason the Founding Fathers put the right to keep and bear arms in the top section of the Bill or Rights.

295 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:06:48pm

re: #290 rawmuse

How is it that MyBarackObama.com is a home for such unbridled anti-Semitism, as richly documented by this blog?

scratching my head...

They identify first as lefties, not Jewish (too unhip).

296 Alone in NY  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:07:00pm

re: #287 cliffster

I think "Bay Area" is the operative facet to that first statement, not necessarily "Jewish folks". Am I wrong?

You are right, clearly.

297 cliffster  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:07:12pm

re: #292 neocon hippie

Most Jewish folks in the Bay Area are pretty far left.

Right, but remove "Jewish" from that statement, and it's still a true statement.

298 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:07:14pm

pimf Bill of Rights

299 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:07:40pm

re: #285 kuffar

True. But is she a Falwell in a skirt? Does she provide them ammunition?

I don't think that she is. That's my opinion with what I know of her so far.

As far as "them" having ammunition; their lies, distortions, and half truths are all the fire power they need to blast away at whoever is chosen.

300 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:07:51pm

re: #277 Cognito

Don't believe you.

/if that's the bull[expletive deleted] ticket the Republican party asks me to vote for you can bet your ass I'll stick the Obama fork in it, with relish

301 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:08:17pm

re: #290 rawmuse

How is it that MyBarackObama.com is a home for such unbridled anti-Semitism, as richly documented by this blog?

scratching my head...

Mine as well.

302 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:08:30pm

A McCain-Palin ticket gets my vote.

Social libertarian
Governmental Conservative
Economic Libertarian

Of course, a dead dog could run against Obama and I'd vote for the canine corpse without second thought.

303 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:08:36pm

re: #300 Killian Bundy

/if that's the bull[expletive deleted] ticket the Republican party asks me to vote for you can bet your ass I'll stick the Obama fork in it, with relish

Face - nose = worse face.

304 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:08:57pm

re: #289 Killian Bundy

Yeah, because, in fact, Lieberman is not even close to being a Republican on the issues and he's shunned by the Bonkeys.

/a total negative drag on a Republican ticket with zero upside, good thinking

I still think Lieberman would be a good choice (even though I think he's disqualified from actually running). And your comment reveals why.

Lieberman is neither a Republican, nor a Democrat. And the vast majority of Americans are simply sick to death of these two parties, corrupt and inept as they seem to be, in varying degrees (Dems mostly corrupt, Repubs mostly inept). Someone who is neither will be a breath of fresh air to that SUBSTANTIAL portion of Americans who dislike the party system. Yes, his presence will P.O. hardcore Dems and hardcore Repubs, but I think they are now a minority bloc in the overall electorate.

305 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:08:59pm

An interesting factor in this election may be the Hispanic vote. The Mexicans that I work with seem to favor McCain, and are not reluctant to say so.

306 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:09:06pm

re: #290 rawmuse

How is it that MyBarackObama.com is a home for such unbridled anti-Semitism, as richly documented by this blog?

scratching my head...

Lefty Jews are oblivious to the anti-Semitic content on mybarackobama.com, and in general denial as to the extent of anti-Semitism on the left. At the same time, many if not most are very sympathetic to the Palestinians and critical of Israel. I think a key to all of this is their sense of Jewish guilt.

307 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:09:13pm

Hey Canuck.

308 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:09:54pm

re: #288 Irene NYC

Well, McCain has reached across the aisle enough for 5 senators, so you don't need anyone else on the ticket doing that. Joe, and I like the guy, is just the wrong pick. I don't know that he would even want to be Repub VP.

As for his ability to deliver the Jewish vote - not necessarily. He's Jewish, as in observant Jewish and is in the minority. The Jewish vote, I believe, was split in Connecticut in his last election.

as often as he's screwed over his alleged party, you think he'd at least give us a reach around, to go with the reach across.

/practicing my nose hold already

309 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:10:54pm

re: #307 AmeriDan

Morning Dan, how goes it tonight?

310 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:11:44pm

re: #308 redc1c4

I'd be shocked if Lieberman was McCain's choice for VP.

311 Kulhwch  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:11:50pm
Former Democrat Joe Lieberman and Vice President Dick Cheney will speak on the convention’s first day. They will be followed in primetime by California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush.

Wow, they're letting Arnold sit at the table with the grown-ups!

}:)     [Maria must be so proud ... ]

312 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:11:58pm

re: #305 Ringo the Gringo

So, we need a Mexiafrieuropean Chrisjewmuslim Liberal Libertarian Conservative warhero peaceactivist...

313 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:12:10pm

re: #134 jcm

Um, sorry, but please don't post stuff like that. I have kids and it just makes me beyond sick.

314 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:12:25pm

re: #293 BlueCanuck
Most Jewish folks in the Bay Area are pretty farleft out man....... can i get a hit?


Fixed that for you. :)

fixed that for ya! %-)

315 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:12:26pm

re: #303 Cognito

Face - nose = worse face.

McCain/Lieberman is a sure loser anyway.

/maybe if it's a landslide they won't do it again

316 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:12:38pm

re: #304 zombie

Someone who is neither will be a breath of fresh air to that SUBSTANTIAL portion of Americans who dislike the party system.

I respectfully disagree that Lieberman would bring a breath of fresh air to this election.

317 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:12:43pm

re: #253 Ringo the Gringo

As a Jew, I cannot bring myself to vote Demonrat, ever since Carter the Jew hater's first year...and there seems to be the possibility that Hussein may not get the majority of the Jewish vote..we can only hope.

In local elections, I have voted to some really middle of the road Dems. Yes, there is such a thing, but they are as rare as hen's teeth!

Off to sleep!

G'nite, all. Sweet dreams!

318 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:13:05pm

re: #305 Ringo the Gringo

An interesting factor in this election may be the Hispanic vote. The Mexicans that I work with seem to favor McCain, and are not reluctant to say so.

A.) McCain is soft on immigration. That's a plus in their view. And B.) There is so much bad blood between blacks and Mexicans in LA that I think there is a lingering hesitation among LA Hispanics to vote for someone black -- to be perfectly frank.

319 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:13:21pm

re: #310 Irene NYC

I'd be shocked if Lieberman was McCain's choice for VP.

i'd wonder what the Republican ticket would b then, because that would sure as hell not qualify as one.

320 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:13:46pm

re: #315 Killian Bundy

McCain/Lieberman is a sure loser anyway.

/maybe if it's a landslide they won't do it again

dreamer.....

321 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:15:03pm

re: #304 zombie

I still think Lieberman would be a good choice (even though I think he's disqualified from actually running). And your comment reveals why.

Lieberman is neither a Republican, nor a Democrat.

It's the issues zombie.

/he's a card carrying, east coast liberal and has no place on a Republican ticket, end of story

322 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:15:24pm

re: #318 zombie

A.) McCain is soft on immigration. That's a plus in their view. And B.) There is so much bad blood between blacks and Mexicans in LA that I think there is a lingering hesitation among LA Hispanics to vote for someone black -- to be perfectly frank.

Absolutely. Villaragosa was defeated first time around because LA blacks sided with LA whites - something almost no political commentator thought would actually come to pass.

323 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:15:50pm

re: #309 BlueCanuck

Morning Dan, how goes it tonight?

Going well. I've been on sick leave from the dead threads, but getting better everyday.

324 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:16:23pm

re: #316 AmeriDan

I respectfully disagree that Lieberman would bring a breath of fresh air to this election.

To YOU. To many others -- those who have no guiding belief system -- I think he would be.

325 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:16:30pm

re: #318 zombie

A.) McCain is soft on immigration. That's a plus in their view. And B.) There is so much bad blood between blacks and Mexicans in LA that I think there is a lingering hesitation among LA Hispanics to vote for someone black -- to be perfectly frank.

Yep.

326 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:16:44pm

Hey red.

327 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:16:47pm

Lieberman is definitely a Democrat. A hawk, but otherwise pretty through and through Democrat.

328 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:16:53pm

re: #306 neocon hippie

Lefty Jews are oblivious to the anti-Semitic content on mybarackobama.com, and in general denial as to the extent of anti-Semitism on the left. At the same time, many if not most are very sympathetic to the Palestinians and critical of Israel. I think a key to all of this is their sense of Jewish guilt.

I hope that you do not suffer ill will from your fellows.
I do from time to time, from my own.
But, fuck 'em. ;)

329 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:17:11pm

re: #272 kuffar

The fact that she is a cougar alone makes me wanna vote for her.

cougar? where?

i helped an ex move today.....
i got all the liquor, since she didn't want to ship it. w00T!

/con permiso, no less.

330 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:18:08pm

re: #317 NY Nana

As a Jew, I cannot bring myself to vote Demonrat, ever since Carter the Jew hater's first year...and there seems to be the possibility that Hussein may not get the majority of the Jewish vote..we can only hope.!

Interesting! Then it's not as bad as I first feared. Obama is down to 57% of the Jewish vote. And hopefully dropping.

331 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:18:42pm

'Nite all.

I hitting the hay...been a long week.

332 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:19:03pm

re: #323 AmeriDan

Sick leave? What happened?

333 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:19:59pm

re: #327 Irene NYC

Lieberman is definitely a Democrat. A hawk, but otherwise pretty through and through Democrat.

They tossed him out because of his heresy on the war, but otherwise, yeah. His gun control stance alone would be a deal breaker.

I've never heard Cantor speak...is he good? I just think he's handsome, and obviously young. He's also very conservative. Pawlenty's most likely a better choice.

334 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:21:25pm

re: #330 zombie

I don't know if I trust those stats. The Jewish vote during the McGovern era was very different from today's. Much of the Jewish vote in NYC and CT (which I've always follow somewhat) seems to be more and more rabid. Like I said earlier, it's like they have a death wish.

335 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:00pm

re: #314 redc1c4

Most Jewish folks in the Bay Area are pretty farleft out man....... can i get a hit?


fixed that for ya! %-)

Yeah, you can get a hit from me, your average Bay Area neocon hippie.

336 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:10pm

re: #324 zombie

To YOU. To many others -- those who have no guiding belief system -- I think he would be.

Huh? Please explain this guiding belief system of mine. I just think that as far as domestic issues, he's a card carrying liberal no better than BO, Hillery, Kerry, Edwards, etc.

Not someone I'd want second in line to the President.

337 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:23pm

re: #320 redc1c4

dreamer.....

/hey, if the Republican Party can't even offer a meaningful alternative to socialism, may as well just go with the flow

338 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:52pm

re: #317 NY Nana

Sweet dreams.

339 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:56pm

re: #333 funky chicken

funky, sorry, I've never heard Cantor speak.

340 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:22:58pm

re: #322 Irene NYC

Absolutely. Villaragosa was defeated first time around because LA blacks sided with LA whites - something almost no political commentator thought would actually come to pass.

Villar-boboso is poorly thought of by just about anyone anymore here in town. he showed up at a public event near my home recently, and even the knee jerk neighbors had unsolicited bad things to say about him to 2H6 when she mentioned him.... i don't interact with the illegal vote here, which is large, but i've not heard many people speak well of him. unfortunately, that doesn't seem to stop him from getting elected.

personally, i think he's a poster child for birth control, but i'm a skosh harsh that way. %-)

341 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:23:57pm

re: #337 Killian Bundy

/hey, if the Republican Party can't even offer a meaningful alternative to socialism, may as well just go with the flow

How about trying to deal with people on the basis of consent?

/groan

342 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:23:59pm

re: #340 redc1c4

Well, I certainly didn't vote for him!
;)

343 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:24:17pm

Good night.

344 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:27:02pm

re: #337 Killian Bundy

/hey, if the Republican Party can't even offer a meaningful alternative to socialism, may as well just go with the flow

I'd rather have Republican socialism than Democratic party socialism. The last thing I need is daily anger management and tolerating diversity classes.

A friend of mine distilled the differences between the two parties thusly:

In the Democratic party you can have the freedom to act differently but thinking differently is verbotten.

In the Republican party, one can think differently but to act differently is verbotten.

345 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:27:11pm

I simply don't know how I shall get along without women's volleyball...

346 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:27:56pm

re: #332 BlueCanuck

Sick leave? What happened?

I've been having problems with my liver, and to my surprise, when you're having liver problems, a whole bunch of other problems happen.

Thankfully, it was caught in time and I'm on the upswing now. Feel better than I have in years as a matter of fact.

347 Wanglese  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:28:02pm

Can this antipodean ask why Rudy wouldn't work as a great running mate for McCain?

348 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:28:27pm

Killian, I don't think there even is a Republican Party any more. I think what we now have is the Socialist Party, formerly known as the Democrat Party, and the Democrat Party, formerly known as the Republican Party.
Of course, I'm not registered as either, so what do I know?

349 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:30:06pm

re: #318 zombie

A.) McCain is soft on immigration. That's a plus in their view. And B.) There is so much bad blood between blacks and Mexicans in LA that I think there is a lingering hesitation among LA Hispanics to vote for someone black -- to be perfectly frank.

"bad blood" must be zombie speak for "going around killing each other based on skin color and trying to run different races out their 'neighborhoods'"

anywhere else it'd draw either US intervention or the UN to do nothing. here, it doesn't even make the papers, unless it's an article to deny that it's racial.

350 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:30:30pm

re: #336 AmeriDan

Huh? Please explain this guiding belief system of mine. I just think that as far as domestic issues, he's a card carrying liberal no better than BO, Hillery, Kerry, Edwards, etc.

Not someone I'd want second in line to the President.

You answered your own question. You see a politician who votes liberal on various issues, that automatically is a negative in your book. To countless other people, that is NOT an automatic negative. Nor is a politician who sometimes or often votes conservative. These people choose who to vote for according to entirely non-ideological reasons, including: name-recognition, charisma, independence from existing structures, patriotism, etc. They couldn't care less who is branded a liberal or a conservative, nor how they vote once in the Senate or wherever.

351 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:30:55pm

Palin would be a provocative choice in every sense of the word.

If she is McPain's VP pick, mark my words - The lefties, seeing everything sexually as they usually do, will unleash an absolute torrent of bile. A relatively younger and attractive woman as VP? Please, we'll be hearing about how she's Mac's house mistress, a "trophy VP", she'll be called out as window dressing, named a "gender traitor" by the so-called "feminists", and of course there will be insinuations that she's a whore, and disgusting photoshops, and op-eds dripping with mysoginy and double-standards from left-leaning columnists, and all the rest of the bile and hypocrisy we've come to expect from that side of the aisle when somebody steps out of their identity politics categories.

352 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:31:21pm

re: #330 zombie

Interesting! Then it's not as bad as I first feared. Obama is down to 57% of the Jewish vote. And hopefully dropping.

It was a pleasant surprise. I feel that more Jews are awakening to the danger he is for our country, and for the rest of the free world. He speaks trash...and I still feel that he would side with the arabs against Israel.

Can you imagine him taking a 3 AM phone call, if, G-d forbid, anything happened that needed a swift response?

9/11 is still very much in my mind. And now? The situation in Georgia, with the bad old days of the USSR being reconstructed by the KGB alumni, Putin?

353 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:31:29pm

re: #346 AmeriDan

Ugh, liver problems. I have a friend who has bad liver problems. Essentially he's now a vegetarian, suffers from migranes, gout, and a slew of other things as well. I feel for you. Glad you got it caught in time.

354 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:31:31pm

re: #346 AmeriDan

I've been having problems with my liver, and to my surprise, when you're having liver problems, a whole bunch of other problems happen.

Thankfully, it was caught in time and I'm on the upswing now. Feel better than I have in years as a matter of fact.

let's have a drink to celebrate!

/white smoke %-)

355 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:31:47pm

re: #344 kuffar

I'd rather have Republican socialism than Democratic party socialism.

/Lieberman as the VP pick is the antithesis of that argument

356 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:32:30pm

Is everyone having fun?

357 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:32:35pm

re: #345 rawmuse

I simply don't know how I shall get along without women's volleyball...

May/Walsh 08

358 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:33:19pm

re: #345 rawmuse

I simply don't know how I shall get along without women's volleyball...

/there's always YouTube

359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:33:30pm

re: #356 lifeofthemind

Is everyone having fun?

Depends. Trying to decide if i should watch Slither, 30 Days of Night, or the Director's Cut of Dark City.

360 slokat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:33:31pm

Q & A here

Q81. "In current usage, both the President and Vice President are elected on the same ballot. Does the Constitution as currently amended allow for these executives to be from differing parties?"

A. The Constitution neither prohibits nor encourages the two be from the same party. They are voted on separately in the electoral college, so theoretically, the President and Vice President could be from different parties. However, many states have laws which force their electors to vote for the candidates that the winning party has chosen. There is question about whether an elector could be prosecuted for doing whatever they want once the election is over, but the point is mostly irrelevant - the party that wins picks the electors, who are generally party loyalists, so are unlikely to vote against the party.

361 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:34:33pm

re: #356 lifeofthemind

Is everyone having fun?

lemme pour anther drink and get back to you on that.... %-)

/wanna try tonight's fruitcup early?

362 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:35:10pm

re: #329 redc1c4

cougar? where?

i helped an ex move today.....
i got all the liquor, since she didn't want to ship it. w00T!

/con permiso, no less.

Damn son. Looks like you still got the touch.

363 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:35:43pm

re: #333 funky chicken

Here is Cantor...

I could not support Leiberman, a flip flopper, and the man who was Albore's lap dog..he is no more a new Republican than Hussein is.

364 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:35:45pm

re: #348 Killer Tomato

I have studied both parties for 20 years, and neither has been consistent in their platforms, but a pivotal moment came in 1968 when the hard Left basically took over the Democrat Party. There were some hawks/conservatives still, but their numbers have steadily declined since then.

As for the Republicans, they have always been a fairly activist party, starting with their serious abolitionist roots in a small town in Wisconsin, in 1862, They have been consistent about using the power of the state for social change, and seldom been afraid of foreign entanglements, which the exception of the Pre WWII era, when, oddly, they were firmly isolationist. As for conservatism, it appears to have been a fluke, if measured over the entire span of the party.

365 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:35:49pm

re: #347 Wanglese

Can this antipodean ask why Rudy wouldn't work as a great running mate for McCain?

He's got 9/11 War Pig written all over him, he's done some repugnant things in his family life, and his political fame is essentially based on his performance in one job. He's too easy for the media to bracket and shoot down.

Which is a shame, because the man can out-talk anybody up there. He's the only politician I've ever seen give honest, clean, conversational answers to tough questions without resorting exclusively to a pile of catchphrases.

366 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:35:53pm

re: #349 redc1c4

"bad blood" must be zombie speak for "going around killing each other based on skin color and trying to run different races out their 'neighborhoods'"

anywhere else it'd draw either US intervention or the UN to do nothing. here, it doesn't even make the papers, unless it's an article to deny that it's racial.

Well, I was trying to be diplomatic, but you laid it on the line -- and you are 100% correct.

Same thing happens in Oakland, but to a lesser degree -- because the black gangs have the upper hand (over the Hispanic gangs and over the police), while the Hispanic gangs spend too much time on Sureño vs. Norteño battles. But there is overt hostility and overt racism, which never gets reported on.

367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:36:50pm

re: #365 Pawn of the Oppressor

He's got 9/11 War Pig written all over him, he's done some repugnant things in his family life, and his political fame is essentially based on his performance in one job. He's too easy for the media to bracket and shoot down.

Which is a shame, because the man can out-talk anybody up there. He's the only politician I've ever seen give honest, clean, conversational answers to tough questions without resorting exclusively to a pile of catchphrases.

I'd say Rudy for either a DoJ or Homeland Security post

368 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:37:01pm

Wow, there's a sleek niqab gal running a sprint....

369 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:37:56pm

re: #360 slokat

Q & A here

The only prohibition aside from age and being born in the USA (or territories as we know now) is that the Pres and VP must be from different states.

370 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:38:11pm

re: #359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oooooh, I vote the directors cut of "Dark City". Great movie, I especially loved the twist of what's really going on behind the scenes.

371 LeePro  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:38:16pm

re: #346 AmeriDan

I've been having problems with my liver, and to my surprise, when you're having liver problems, a whole bunch of other problems happen.

Thankfully, it was caught in time and I'm on the upswing now. Feel better than I have in years as a matter of fact.

Hey, Dan!
Good to see you back!

372 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:38:57pm

I guess that was a niqab, anyway... spandex or whatever, with leggings.

373 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:39:10pm

Assume that anyone slated for a spot to speak on the schedule is not going to be the VP. Not a law but a good way to start. That means that Lieberman, Giuliani and Palin are out despite the strengths they bring. Palin may get a cabinet post but I hope she gets into the Senate. My hope is Lieberman for DoD, Bolton for State and Giuliani for Justice. Who does that leave for the VP slot? Looks like a choice between Romney and Hunter. Romney is probably the safer bet to win the election.

374 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:39:46pm

re: #363 NY Nana

Whoops! Forgot to say that I cannot see Sen. McCain picking him.

If that happened? I would vote Republican, but with a clothespin on my nose because of Leiberman. We live near the CT border, and what we have heard about him over the years does not make me feel very happy that he is even mentioned.

As I am now talking to myself? Off to sleep I go! ;)

375 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:39:57pm

re: #283 neocon hippie

Here in the Bay Area almost all of the Jewish folks I know plan to vote for Obama. Pretty disheartening. But there are areas of the country where the Jewish population isn't so insanely left. Florida is one of these, where the Jewish population tends toward the older. I think the Dems will lose a substantial portion of the Jewish vote there.

Have the Republicans finally broken that 12% barrier? LOL.

If/when I do finally convert, I'm going to have to keep my silly mouth shut around most Jewish folk...

376 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:08pm

re: #359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Depends. Trying to decide if i should watch Slither, 30 Days of Night, or the Director's Cut of Dark City.

i've got a copy of Vanishing Point.

377 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:13pm

re: #350 zombie

You see a politician who votes liberal on various issues, that automatically is a negative in your book.

In this day and age, a politican who votes liberal on various issues is a negative

Where's FDR and Truman these days?

378 LeePro  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:43pm

re: #351 Pawn of the Oppressor

Palin would be a provocative choice in every sense of the word.

If she is McPain's VP pick, mark my words - The lefties, seeing everything sexually as they usually do, will unleash an absolute torrent of bile. A relatively younger and attractive woman as VP? Please, we'll be hearing about how she's Mac's house mistress, a "trophy VP", she'll be called out as window dressing, named a "gender traitor" by the so-called "feminists", and of course there will be insinuations that she's a whore, and disgusting photoshops, and op-eds dripping with mysoginy and double-standards from left-leaning columnists, and all the rest of the bile and hypocrisy we've come to expect from that side of the aisle when somebody steps out of their identity politics categories.

So what's new?

McCain/Palin '08

379 slokat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:43pm

re: #369 Mel Lono

The only prohibition aside from age and being born in the USA (or territories as we know now) is that the Pres and VP must be from different states.

Not true, the clause is that an elector can't vote for two people from their home state... so it effects only one state's electors.

380 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:47pm

Night all -

381 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:40:53pm

re: #362 Mel Lono

Damn son. Looks like you still got the touch.

that's all i got...... not that i would have strayed.

/crazy, not stupid. %-)

382 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:41:34pm

re: #378 LeePro

So what's new?

McCain/Palin '08

McCain/Paul '08

383 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:41:37pm

re: #368 Cognito

Wow, there's a sleek niqab gal running a sprint....

I wanted to puke when I saw that. What I said aloud wasn't printable. Stupid, stupid fool girl running around with a goshdamned sock on her head for "modesty"... Ugh... What a f-cking disgrace.

384 least  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:05pm

re: #345 rawmuse

I simply don't know how I shall get along without women's volleyball...

Well, d'you have TIVO?
Deja vu forever!
-------
More on topic:
Just got a glimpse of an AP headline -- something like, "Biden Obama's VP Choice"
If this is true, I do believe I'm gonna have the vapors (and I threw up in my mouth, a little).
also . . . if it's true: the possibilities for mockery would be limitless.

385 wanglese  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:09pm

re: #365 Pawn of the Oppressor

Thanks for that.

Pity, because what little I know about his "last job" was that he was considered outstanding. Certainly how I saw it from here.

Put him in the cabinet somewhere.

386 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:26pm

Cantor is interesting but needs more national exposure. Gravitas versus the newbie is going to be a theme I'd think. Argues against Pawlenty, worthy man but needs more exposure first.

387 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:36pm

re: #351 Pawn of the Oppressor

Even more reason. If that happens, hammer the issue. Use the mysogynistic hypocrisy and their hypocrisy in general as 500 pound bombs dropped by an A-4 Skyhawk right on their heads.

Hopefully it can fracture the party and we can take care of America's problems, because lets face it, Democrats way of solving them is the Soviet way of solving them.

388 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:56pm

re: #371 LeePro

Hey, Dan!
Good to see you back!

Hey Lee!

389 Cognito  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:42:59pm

re: #383 Pawn of the Oppressor

I wanted to puke when I saw that. What I said aloud wasn't printable. Stupid, stupid fool girl running around with a goshdamned sock on her head for "modesty"... Ugh... What a f-cking disgrace.

I don't blame her personally, really.

390 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:43:27pm

re: #366 zombie

Well, I was trying to be diplomatic, but you laid it on the line -- and you are 100% correct.

Same thing happens in Oakland, but to a lesser degree -- because the black gangs have the upper hand (over the Hispanic gangs and over the police), while the Hispanic gangs spend too much time on Sureño vs. Norteño battles. But there is overt hostility and overt racism, which never gets reported on.

because it's all caused by the anglo oppression.... %-)

/

391 slokat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:44:08pm

re: #345 rawmuse

I simply don't know how I shall get along without women's volleyball...

Did you see the pic link at the bottom of the last thread?

392 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:44:09pm

Anybody want to buy an old cadillac? Gov. Arnold in his infinite wisdom terminated the vehicle "retirement" program since the Dems won't bring him a budget. Signed the order on July 31. oh, and July was "Smog Awareness Month" Go figure.

393 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:44:13pm

I show up and people leave?
/offended

394 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:45:00pm

re: #367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'd say Rudy for either a DoJ or Homeland Security post

He won't compromise on crime, how about Homeland Security, will he give the Religion of Beheading and Car Bombs a pass?

395 calcajun  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:45:26pm

re: #154 The Other Les

It was a little out there, I admit.re: #166 DesertSage

Yeah. That's just the image the GOP needs; two gray-haired white guys.

396 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:45:27pm

re: #390 redc1c4

because it's all caused by the anglo oppression.... %-)

/

Damn anglos and their oppression!

397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:45:34pm

re: #376 redc1c4

i've got a copy of Vanishing Point.

Sounds interesting

398 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:46:13pm

re: #376 redc1c4

i've got a copy of Vanishing Point.

one of my all time classics. Barry Newman and a Dodge Charger, I believe.

399 LeePro  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:46:23pm

re: #382 redc1c4

McCain/Paul '08

: : : : : : : scrolllllllllllllllllllll : : : : : : :

400 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:47:43pm

re: #389 Cognito

I don't blame her personally, really.

why not? she put the clothes on. she could have picked something else, but didn't.

401 kuffar  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:48:51pm

re: #399 LeePro

: : : : : : : scrolllllllllllllllllllll : : : : : : :

I'd rather go with McCain/AuH2O

402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:49:00pm

Oh boy; Barry just one upped his pay grade comment by trying to sound like a bug boy:

Obama: Russia, U.S. should not ‘charge into’ other countries

“We’ve got to send a clear message to Russia and unify our allies,” Obama told a crowd of supporters in Virginia. “They can’t charge into other countries. Of course it helps if we are leading by example on that point.”

Barry, from the bottom of my heart, and I really truly mean this:

Go eat a bag of dicks.

403 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:49:24pm

re: #402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh boy; Barry just one upped his pay grade comment by trying to sound like a bug boy:

Obama: Russia, U.S. should not ‘charge into’ other countries


Barry, from the bottom of my heart, and I really truly mean this:

Go eat a bag of dicks.

bug boy = big boy

404 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:50:16pm

re: #398 Mel Lono

one of my all time classics. Barry Newman and a Dodge Charger, I believe.

Awesome '70s movie.

/'7o Dodge Challenger R/T

405 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:50:47pm

re: #392 Mel Lono

Anybody want to buy an old cadillac? Gov. Arnold in his infinite wisdom terminated the vehicle "retirement" program since the Dems won't bring him a budget. Signed the order on July 31. oh, and July was "Smog Awareness Month" Go figure.

why destroy history? there aren't that many old cars and they don't get driven that much. you want to fight smog, limit the number of vehicles allowed period. cars are much cleaner than they were when i was young and had a future, but smog is still bad because there are 3 or 4 times as many of them as there used to be.

Welcome to California. Now go home.
(and take your car, your kids and your gardener with you. %-)

406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:50:56pm

re: #400 redc1c4

why not? she put the clothes on. she could have picked something else, but didn't.

The whole "We'll kill you when you come home if you dress like a whore" angle mitigates that a tad.

407 LeePro  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:51:27pm

re: #401 kuffar

I'd rather go with McCain/AuH2O

Is he still alive?!?!?!?!?!

408 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:51:37pm

Drawing a conclusion about the voting habits of Jews or anybody else based on a sample drawn within the Bay Area seems poor research technique. A large and rapidly growing percentage of the Jews are not 4th and 5th generation assimilated liberals but recent immigrant communities and allied highly orthodox groups. One group of them spectacularly sold their votes en bloc to Hillary last election cycle so there can be, as with all closed or new communities, ethical problems but there is also a sympathy for conservative positions and a fierce rejection of Communism and Islamism.

409 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:51:52pm

re: #393 lifeofthemind

I show up and people leave?
/offended

it's because you're racist.

/repent now!

410 least  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:52:15pm

re: #403 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

bug boy = big boy

Thanks for clearing that us.
I was saying, "Whaaaaaaaaaa?!"

411 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:52:21pm

re: #404 Killian Bundy

Awesome '70s movie.

/'7o Dodge Challenger R/T

Excellent catch!

412 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:52:31pm

re: #406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The whole "We'll kill you when you come home if you dress like a whore" angle mitigates that a tad.

then don't go home.

it's a big planet.... pick somewhere else.

413 freetoken  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:52:41pm

re: #364 rawmuse

As for conservatism, it appears to have been a fluke, if measured over the entire span of the party.

There is some merit in this, I think. After 1968 the Republican party became more reactionary, against the (real or perceived) threat of the rise of the harder leftists in the Democrat party. The election of Reagan very much was a reaction against the trends in the Democrat party, IMO.

Of course one could counter with the argument that FDR was a socialist, and the Republicans of his day reacted strongly against him.

Then there were the movements of the religious conservative, formerly Democrats, into the Republican camp starting in the 60's.

We are left with today a larger nation (> 300 million, and growing) and that also means the factions within either of the 2 large parties will have more people... I'm wondering how much longer the 2 party system can keep trying the "broad tent" strategies.

414 Temujin  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:53:46pm

re: #407 LeePro

No. But he'd make McCain look young.

/Weekend At Bernies Scenario

415 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:54:11pm

re: #400 redc1c4

why not? she put the clothes on. she could have picked something else, but didn't.

Indeed

I am past the point of forgiving these people for what they do to themselves, and - by extension - what they do to all of us. She is out there with seven other beautiful women of every shape and color, all working hard with what G-d gave them to advance their particular brand of human achievement, and share it with all of us, and she drags everybody back down into the Dark Ages by capping herself with a ridiculous G-ddamned sock, a frigging head condom that makes a mockery of herself and others.

She is young, she knows about the internet, she has a cell phone, she watches TV, and she knows what she looks like and what is possible in the world. She has no excuse. Plenty of other Muslim women are performing without any head condoms. I do blame her.

416 least  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:54:20pm

clearing that us?!
up.
Jeez.
*wanders off shaking head*

417 slokat  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:54:22pm

I think Bug Boy fits better...

418 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:54:43pm

re: #402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh boy; Barry just one upped his pay grade comment by trying to sound like a bug boy:
Barry, from the bottom of my heart, and I really truly mean this:

Go eat a bag of dicks.

On some level don't you wish that while he is passing that gas a half dozen of Ivan's finest would come by and pull his pants down?

419 Mel Lono  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:55:23pm

re: #405 redc1c4

why destroy history? there aren't that many old cars and they don't get driven that much. you want to fight smog, limit the number of vehicles allowed period. cars are much cleaner than they were when i was young and had a future, but smog is still bad because there are 3 or 4 times as many of them as there used to be.

Welcome to California. Now go home.
(and take your car, your kids and your gardener with you. %-)

It's a 92 Sedan de Ville nicked "Elvis", but he's left the building. Too tired of fixing stuff, but I still get people coming up to me with the likes of "wow. classic styling". And it is.

420 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:55:24pm

More on Cantor, and what the Demonrats said when they realized he is Jewish: DNC: 'Eric Cantor is Jewish, oh my!'

Any of my fellow Jews who see this, and still vote Demonrat?

You're nuts!

I am being dragged off the keyboard! Help! ;)

421 victor_yugo  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:55:45pm

re: #408 lifeofthemind

One group of them spectacularly sold their votes en bloc to Hillary last election cycle so there can be, as with all closed or new communities, ethical problems but there is also a sympathy for conservative positions and a fierce rejection of Communism and Islamism.

Somehow, selling their votes en banc doesn't smack of "rejecting Communism." In fact, I'd say quite the opposite.

422 LeePro  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:56:20pm

re: #414 Temujin

LOL!

423 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:56:46pm

Vanishing Point

/spoiler alert!

424 zombie  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:56:54pm
#402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh boy; Barry just one upped his pay grade comment by trying to sound like a bug boy:

Obama: Russia, U.S. should not ‘charge into’ other countries

“We’ve got to send a clear message to Russia and unify our allies,” Obama told a crowd of supporters in Virginia. “They can’t charge into other countries. Of course it helps if we are leading by example on that point.”

Barry, from the bottom of my heart, and I really truly mean this:

Go eat a bag of dicks.

Just a bag? After a comment like that, I hope he dines upon a cubic ton of feces.

425 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:57:37pm

re: #420 NY Nana

Sounds like some one wants you in bed at a decent hour. ;)

Have yourself a good night if you're leaving.

426 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:58:20pm

re: #424 zombie

Just a bag? After a comment like that, I hope he dines upon a cubic ton of feces.

Well, its obvious he is already full of shit. The dicks would just be to cleanse the palate.

427 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:58:55pm

re: #419 Mel Lono

It's a 92 Sedan de Ville nicked "Elvis", but he's left the building. Too tired of fixing stuff, but I still get people coming up to me with the likes of "wow. classic styling". And it is.

try moving it on Craig's list? your biggest promblem is that it isn't 25 model years old.

/magic number.

428 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 20, 2008 11:59:30pm

re: #413 freetoken

1968. Nothing in the USA was ever the same afterward.

429 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:00:00am

re: #420 NY Nana

More on Cantor, and what the Demonrats said when they realized he is Jewish: DNC: 'Eric Cantor is Jewish, oh my!'

Any of my fellow Jews who see this, and still vote Demonrat?

You're nuts!

I am being dragged off the keyboard! Help! ;)

just calm down and enjoy it.

/channeling Obanal to the voters %-)

430 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:00:33am

re: #422 LeePro

LOL!

Barry Goldwater

Even if he were alive, there would be an issue , given that both McCain & Goldwater would be AZ residents ...

431 Mel Lono  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:00:44am

re: #423 Killian Bundy

Gets me every time.

432 victor_yugo  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:01:44am

re: #428 rawmuse

1968. Nothing in the USA was ever the same afterward.

On this day in 1968, the worldwide newspapers carried the obituary for the Prague Spring.

433 Mel Lono  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:01:48am

re: #427 redc1c4

Yep. NO takers. Best hope is taking it down to Pedro DMV or the border (fully insured)

434 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:01:59am

re: #416 least

clearing that us?!
up.
Jeez.
*wanders off shaking head*

have a drink, you'll feel better. if you don't, at least you'll have an excuse.

435 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:02:30am
Even if he were alive, there would be an issue , given that both McCain & Goldwater would be AZ residents ...

so?

436 victor_yugo  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:02:38am

re: #430 Temujin

Even if he were alive, there would be an issue , given that both McCain & Goldwater would be AZ residents ...

Cheney moved out of Texas. Problem solved.

437 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:04:03am

re: #424 zombie

Just a bag? After a comment like that, I hope he dines upon a cubic tonkilometer of feces.

fixed that for ya!

438 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:04:05am

re: #428 rawmuse

1968. Nothing in the USA was ever the same afterward.


That is the story because 5 million college kids discovered sex and drugs and did not go into the military all at the same time. So they made this ongoing drama about the rest of the country that was less impressed by their experience. As I see it that group has been justifying themselves and acting out their little psychodramas for the last 40 years. As they go away it will become les and less apparant what they thought was so special about their magic year.

439 funky chicken  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:04:58am

well, good night all. thanks for the Cantor links Nana

440 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:05:24am

re: #425 BlueCanuck

Sounds like some one wants you in bed at a decent hour. ;)

Have yourself a good night if you're leaving.

and have fun too!

/white smoke

441 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:06:49am

re: #433 Mel Lono

Yep. NO takers. Best hope is taking it down to Pedro DMV or the border (fully insured)

it'd be a shame if it got stolen, after all the money you've put into it......

442 LeePro  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:06:54am

re: #427 redc1c4

try moving it on Craig's list? your biggest promblem is that it isn't 25 model years old.

/magic number.

You sure? I thought magic number was 20. My mother's 1980 buick brought a much higher price in 2003 because it was then a "classic."

443 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:08:41am

re: #435 slokat

so?

Twelfth Amendment

444 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:10:46am

re: #442 LeePro

You sure? I thought magic number was 20. My mother's 1980 buick brought a much higher price in 2003 because it was then a "classic."

here in the PRC, once you're 25 model years out from manufacture, you no longer have to meet smog requirements to have your car registered for street use.......

/at least for now.

445 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:12:24am

re: #436 victor_yugo

Cheney moved out of Texas. Problem solved.

Well, let's see. McCain is Senator from AZ ; he's not gonna move ...

So I guess you are suggesting we dig Barry up ?

/

446 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:13:35am

re: #438 lifeofthemind

That is the story because 5 million college kids discovered sex and drugs and did not go into the military all at the same time. So they made this ongoing drama about the rest of the country that was less impressed by their experience. As I see it that group has been justifying themselves and acting out their little psychodramas for the last 40 years. As they go away it will become les and less apparant what they thought was so special about their magic year.

Bless you! Spot on.

447 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:14:07am

Why do posters persist in thinking that there is a prohibition against candidates for Vice President and President being from the same state?

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves

The themselves refers to the electors.

It effects one state's electors choice of votes, for vice president.
Would matter in a large state, not a small one.

448 LeePro  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:14:53am

re: #445 Temujin

Well, let's see. McCain is Senator from AZ ; he's not gonna move ...

So I guess you are suggesting we dig Barry up ?

/

Heh!

449 victor_yugo  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:14:57am

re: #445 Temujin

Well, let's see. McCain is Senator from AZ ; he's not gonna move ...

So I guess you are suggesting we dig Barry up ?

/

Dig him up, move him to Chicago. Problem solved.

And he even gets to vote!

450 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:15:08am

re: #444 redc1c4

Red I thought that Arnold did away with that practice?

451 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:16:44am

re: #446 zombie

Bless you! Spot on.

I need all the blessings I can get, things are not easy. Twenty years from now when San Francisco will have reverted back into being a nice small Italian/Asian city will you miss these theatrical times?

452 kuffar  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:16:45am

Not sure, Goldwater didn't like the Religious Right infiltrating the Party...

453 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:17:29am

re: #446 zombie

Good evening, zombie.

We can change (yes, we can change) the world
Rearrange (rearrange!) the world
It's dying ... to get better !

/change we can all believe in . . .

454 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:18:41am

re: #438 lifeofthemind

In 1968, I was 13 years old. All my fun came during the Gerald Ford administration. I remember it with fondness.

455 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:19:54am

re: #447 slokat

Tell it to the people who care . . . i.e., the politicians !

456 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:20:25am

re: #452 kuffar

Not sure, Goldwater didn't like the Religious Right infiltrating the Party...

You are absolutely correct. And he did not care if gays served in the military. He was ahead of his time in many ways.

457 wiffersnapper  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:21:18am

If we're gonna keep picking fake conservatives to speak at the GOP convention, can we get Ron Paul to speak too?

458 wiffersnapper  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:21:34am

pseudo-conservatives*

459 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:21:42am

re: #451 lifeofthemind

I need all the blessings I can get, things are not easy. Twenty years from now when San Francisco will have reverted back into being a nice small Italian/Asian city will you miss these theatrical times?

Lord no. I pine for the Italian/Asian city as it is. I hope you're right about it reverting.

460 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:22:05am

re: #449 victor_yugo

Dig him up, move him to Chicago. Problem solved.

And he even gets to vote!

Cheers & deafening applause ! Right On !

461 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:23:39am

Actually, I'm listening to two songs from 1970 right now. So I must admit it was a good era for music.

462 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:24:18am

re: #450 slokat

Red I thought that Arnold did away with that practice?

maybe, but the last time i checked, it was law.... are they going to tell Jay Leno his collection needs to pass smog? he drives them once in awhile, but they aren't the problem.

bigger issue is them talking about banning fireplaces in a few years.

463 neocon hippie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:25:03am

re: #328 rawmuse

I hope that you do not suffer ill will from your fellows.
I do from time to time, from my own.
But, fuck 'em. ;)

The people who are aware of my political proclivities are overwhelmingly tolerant, if rather puzzled. The one person who had the most trouble with it, and pretty much blew me off as a friend, happens to be non-Jewish.

464 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:25:13am

re: #457 wiffersnapper

If we're gonna keep picking fake conservatives to speak at the GOP convention, can we get Ron Paul to speak too?

no, because he's an alien. not the same thing.....

(and i don't mean illegal. %-)

465 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:26:02am

And no, don't ask me what they are, because I actually can't reveal that, now that I think about it.

466 LeePro  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:27:58am

Before I go... a big hug for { { {Blue} } } and a little one for {red} (because he really really needs one!)

My pillow beckons, so to the rest of you, goodnight and 'weet dreams, {Beloved Lizards}!

467 victor_yugo  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:28:08am

re: #461 zombie

Actually, I'm listening to two songs from 1970 right now. So I must admit it was a good era for music.

For someone who's not that big on 70's rock, I must admit Red Octopus by Jefferson Starship has a special spot in my heart.

Of course, maybe it's that hottie MILF I dated for a while. You know, the one that was 8 years older than me. Yeah, she liked that album, too.

468 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:28:14am

re: #459 zombie

Lord no. I pine for the Italian/Asian city as it is. I hope you're right about it reverting.

I'm sure that in 20 you will be terribly respectable and no one will believe your photo archive. Now I need a little rest have an expensive or unpleasant day coming up. Either way I lose.

469 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:28:57am

re: #448 LeePro

I liked this comedy sketch with Milton Berle. :)

470 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:29:01am

re: #465 zombie

And no, don't ask me what they are, because I actually can't reveal that, now that I think about it.

zombie : international man/woman/whatever of mystery.

Couldn't you tell us, and then kill us ?

471 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:29:09am

re: #463 neocon hippie

Well, then you have a new friend to replace him!

472 victor_yugo  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:29:37am

re: #465 zombie

And no, don't ask me what they are, because I actually can't reveal that, now that I think about it.

FWIW, I could tell you that I'm listening to songs from the 1940's, and it won't say a thing about when I was born.

If that's what you're concerned about.

473 kuffar  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:29:48am

Of coursere: #456 rawmuse

You are absolutely correct. And he did not care if gays served in the military. He was ahead of his time in many ways.

And he was not anti-abortion.

474 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:29:57am

BTW there is no rule or law saying the Republicans can't nominate a Democrat. They did it before for LIncoln's second term. Not that anyone considered it a total sucess.

475 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:30:23am

re: #466 LeePro

Before I go... a big hug for { { {Blue} } } and a little one for {red} (because he really really needs one!)

My pillow beckons, so to the rest of you, goodnight and 'weet dreams, {Beloved Lizards}!

we doan need no steekin hugs......

/nor the cooties that come with them.

we are the Mountain Lizards %-)

476 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:31:19am

re: #459 zombie

Lord no. I pine for the Italian/Asian city as it is. I hope you're right about it reverting.

The neighborhood where I live was once known as Little Switzerland. It is bordered on the south by Geneva Avenue. Central Drug on Mission is where Jerry Garcia used to sit in the corner and read comics.

477 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:31:43am

re: #467 victor_yugo

For someone who's not that big on 70's rock, I must admit Red Octopus by Jefferson Starship has a special spot in my heart.

Of course, maybe it's that hottie MILF I dated for a while. You know, the one that was 8 years older than me. Yeah, she liked that album, too.

Well, this is not "1970s" music, but specifically 1970 music, which is actually a different thing altogether. Still bascially the tail end of the '60s.

As for Jefferson Starship -- I can't render words low enough to explain my feelings on the matter.

478 Mel Lono  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:33:01am

re: #447 slokat

Why do posters persist in thinking that there is a prohibition against candidates for Vice President and President being from the same state?

The themselves refers to the electors.

It effects one state's electors choice of votes, for vice president.
Would matter in a large state, not a small one.

Thanks, slokat. I learned something tonight. Love this place.

Such was the situation in 1789 when the electors met to cast the votes for the first President. The Constitution, at that time, specified that: "The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. ..."

In 1804 (see Jefferson-Burr below) that wording was changed by the XIIth Amendment to: "The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, ..."

[Fast forward to the 2000 election: The revised wording explains why Dick Cheney had to rush off to Wyoming to change his voter registration from Texas. Had he kept his Texas registration, the Texas Republican electors would not have been allowed to cast their votes for both Bush as President and Cheney as Vice-President.]

479 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:33:02am

re: #472 victor_yugo

FWIW, I could tell you that I'm listening to songs from the 1940's, and it won't say a thing about when I was born.

If that's what you're concerned about.

Just did a youtube search for Hoagy Carmichael and I am not in my 80s. Just damn good stuff.

480 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:33:44am

Can Jerry Seinfeld Save Vista?

Microsoft is turning to a new spokesman to drum up interest in its Windows Vista operating system: Jerry Seinfeld.

The comedian will star alongside Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates in a series of ads meant to counter the popular notion that Vista is a failure, the Journal reports.

/

sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason
481 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:33:49am

Jefferson Starship. If you liked Wings, you'll love the Starship.

482 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:33:55am

re: #466 LeePro

Night {LeePro}. Weet dreams.

483 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:34:08am

re: #477 zombie

As for Jefferson Starship -- I can't render words low enough to explain my feelings on the matter.

Do you feel the same way about the Jefferson Airplane ?

484 LeePro  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:34:42am

re: #469 BlueCanuck

I liked this comedy sketch with Milton Berle. :)

Good one! thanks, blue.

;D

485 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:34:54am

'niters all!

486 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:35:45am

re: #470 Temujin

zombie : international man/woman/whatever of mystery.

Couldn't you tell us, and then kill us ?

No, because even then, it would remain on the Internet forever.

re: #472 victor_yugo

FWIW, I could tell you that I'm listening to songs from the 1940's, and it won't say a thing about when I was born.

If that's what you're concerned about.

No, that's not it at all. It's that one of the songs is unbelievably rare, and that one of the two things ever written about it on the Net is by me. Google has just two hits on this song, and one is by me. So: that's out of the question. The other song is also pretty rare (never been digitized), and there's an aspect to it that makes me not want to be associated with it publicly.

487 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:36:04am

re: #467 victor_yugo

For someone who's not that big on 70's rock, I must admit Red Octopus by Jefferson Starship has a special spot in my heart.

Of course, maybe it's that hottie MILF I dated for a while. You know, the one that was 8 years older than me. Yeah, she liked that album, too.

Ride the Tiger, eh?

488 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:36:13am

re: #484 LeePro

One good laugh deserves another. Especially with all the politics floating about tonight.

/well that can be a comedy all on it's own.

489 victor_yugo  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:36:43am

re: #477 zombie

As for Jefferson Starship -- I can't render words low enough to explain my feelings on the matter.

I understand. I'm conflicted on the matter--I know they were on the vicious side of hippiedom.

But some days, I can't get Miracles out of my head.

490 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:36:46am

re: #462 redc1c4

According to the DMV website:

Smog inspections are required unless your vehicle is: * Hybrid
* 1975 year model or older
* Diesel powered
* Electric
* Natural gas powered and has a Gross Vehicle Weight rating of 14,001 lbs. or more.
* Motorcycle
* Trailer
491 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:38:06am

I am looking at a wall with a 3 foot across dayglo two headed birdwoman with a globe in the middle, once upon a time the Jefferson Airplane was on the same wall and day glo stars were on the ceiling.

492 LeePro  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:38:07am

re: #475 redc1c4

we doan need no steekin hugs......

/nor the cooties that come with them.

we are the Mountain Lizards %-)

Now you've really hurt my feelings, red.

¦’ {

493 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:38:25am

re: #480 Killian Bundy

Can Jerry Seinfeld Save Vista?

and his dumb ass is one more reason for me not to go there.....

who decided he was funny?

494 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:39:09am

re: #481 rawmuse

Jefferson Starship. If you liked Wings, you'll love the Starship.

no, at least Starship had talent.

495 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:40:21am

I prefer Hoagy
Damn this computer

496 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:40:25am

re: #486 zombie

No, that's not it at all. It's that one of the songs is unbelievably rare, and that one of the two things ever written about it on the Net is by me. Google has just two hits on this song, and one is by me. So: that's out of the question. The other song is also pretty rare (never been digitized), and there's an aspect to it that makes me not want to be associated with it publicly.

hmmmmmmm......

497 Mel Lono  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:40:41am

Like a Hurricane

Did somebody mention the 70's?

498 neocon hippie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:41:38am

There's a huge difference between the mid-70's Jefferson Starship of Red Octopus and Spitfire, and the 80's version of We Built This City

499 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:42:14am

re: #494 redc1c4

no, at least Starship had talent.

'We Built This City' ranks as the worst record ever

/Starship blows

500 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:42:43am

re: #492 LeePro

Now you've really hurt my feelings, red.

¦’ {

i've got some finely chopped pulled pork, and home made sauce to go with it.......

will that make up for things?

501 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:43:20am

re: #496 redc1c4

hmmmmmmm......

I am into very, very esoteric music. Not "esoteric" exactly, but obscure -- masterpieces that were never recognized and fell through the cracks of history. You might call me a musical archaeoloigist.

502 victor_yugo  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:43:54am

re: #499 Killian Bundy

'We Built This City' ranks as the worst record ever

/Starship blows

But Jefferson Starship was smokin'.

503 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:44:15am

re: #499 Killian Bundy

'We Built This City' ranks as the worst record ever

/Starship blows

We may disagree on many things, but on this topic we are 100% in total agreement!

504 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:44:45am

re: #499 Killian Bundy

'We Built This City' ranks as the worst record ever

/Starship blows

no, just the 80's blow.... and all of those of you among us who made them possible. besides, relying on USA today is pretty lame as things go.

505 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:45:27am

re: #486 zombie
That doesn't mean it's impossible, zombie : only that you'd have to off more of us!

Actually, I generally agree with your premise : never give 'em even a fraction of a percentage if you don't have to. I think that may also tend to explain how the politicians feel about the Twelfth Amendment.

Hmmm. At least in theory, could that prohibition mean that a case could have been made for the idea that John Edwards should have been selected by SCOTUS in 2000 to be Bush's veep? Fascinating to speculate . . .

506 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:47:06am

re: #501 zombie

I am into very, very esoteric music. Not "esoteric" exactly, but obscure -- masterpieces that were never recognized and fell through the cracks of history. You might call me a musical archaeoloigist.

assuming this isn't another zombie maskirovka.

it'd be less w*rk to...... OPSEC.

507 LeePro  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:47:42am

re: #500 redc1c4

i've got some finely chopped pulled pork, and home made sauce to go with it.......

will that make up for things?

YES! ! !
That and a return hug right here in front of everybody would just about make my day!

508 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:48:07am

re: #504 redc1c4

The '80's?

/don't remember much about it other than it was lots of outrageous fun and I'm still here

509 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:48:42am

re: #504 redc1c4

What about every 80's Brit synth-pop song being a 'scathing commentary on Thatcherite England' according to contemporary music critics?

510 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 12:55:18am

re: #499 Killian Bundy

I like the last paragraph. :)


To accommodate coming horrors, the list can't be considered definitive. Noting that Clay Aiken's Invisible landed at No. 11, Marks predicts that "as soon as the American Idol season is finished, there will be a new entry."

/sums up my feelings of all the Idol shows out there.

511 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:00:02am

re: #507 LeePro

YES! ! !
That and a return hug right here in front of everybody would just about make my day!

bummer about your day: hope you enjoy the Q. %-)

/ white smoke

512 LeePro  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:00:54am

re: #511 redc1c4

:D
G'nite.

513 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:01:08am

re: #508 Killian Bundy

The '80's?

/don't remember much about it other than it was lots of outrageous fun and I'm still here

i spent a good portion of them stealing cars....

/should have kept notes

514 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:02:08am

re: #512 LeePro

:D
G'nite.

back atcha!

515 Mel Lono  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:05:00am

re: #514 redc1c4

back atcha!

Nite all, no fruitcup for me tonite.

516 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:07:02am

re: #515 Mel Lono

Nite all, no fruitcup for me tonite.

L8r dude!

517 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:07:16am

Later Mel. Want me to put some in the fridge for you later?

518 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:08:10am

I hear the daily kos fruitcup is worthy of Jonestown....

519 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:11:32am

re: #516 redc1c4

So, red . . . what do have in mind for spiking enhancing the fruit-cup tonight?

You wouldn't happen to have any crank . . . would you ?

/I'm feeling like I could use some, about now . . .

520 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:14:45am

re: #518 Fenway_Nation

I hear the koslings are into adrenochrome . . .

521 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:25:25am

re: #519 Temujin

So, red . . . what do have in mind for spiking enhancing the fruit-cup tonight?

You wouldn't happen to have any crank . . . would you ?

/I'm feeling like I could use some, about now . . .

there are many better options....... try some & see.

522 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:27:36am

re: #503 zombie

We may disagree on many things, but on this topic we are 100% in total agreement!

then you never saw this video......

IMHO, of course.....

i loved the KMEL DJ touch in the original.

/KSMC

523 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:36:40am

Fenway_Nation killed the thread....

/but LoL's fruitcup will bring it back

524 quesnay  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:37:41am

Final thoughts...For forty plus years an activist supreme court has inflicted much damage on the fabric of our society, ignoring the will of most Americans. We now have the opportunity to change the courts direction, to one where our Constitution is followed, not obliterated, and rights are returned to the states where they belong. McCain needs to pick a VP that will bring honor back to our judicial system. It does not make a difference if his pick is pro or anti-abortion; pro or anti gay marriage; etc. As long as his pick will honor our Constitution and put aside his/her personal beliefs. We cannot take a short term perspective of this vis a vie Lieberman as he has a proven track record on supporting the most radical appointees. Obama IMHO is just a puppet for the likes of Soros and other crazy radicals that have hijacked the Democratic Party with their wealth and cultural standing. Obama is just their tool to reshape America into their radical socialist 60's agenda(s)

525 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:42:20am

re: #524 quesnay

Final thoughts..(mercy snipage occurs)

or we could just have sock puppets pop up at LGF.

526 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:42:53am

re: #521 redc1c4

red . . . a solid eight-hour dalliance with the pillows and the sheets would probably be the better option . . .

527 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:43:39am

re: #523 Fenway_Nation

Fenway_Nation killed the thread....

/but LoL's fruitcup will bring it back

and untill then, you're covering the tab.

/i'll take a Lagavulin double..

528 Icculus  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:44:11am

Please Please Please let it be Rick Santorum!

529 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:44:36am

re: #527 redc1c4


You'll get a Roofie colada and you'll like it....

530 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:46:37am

re: #526 Temujin

red . . . a solid eight-hour dalliance with the pillows and the sheets would probably be the better option . . .

and aren't you the boring one?

the first 24 is no biggie.
the second 24 is real hard.
the third 24 is easy, but after that?
the body needs rest.

/cav

531 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:49:14am

re: #530 redc1c4

and aren't you the boring one?

These days, I'm working hard on that . . .

532 Sylvester_T_Cat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 1:54:36am

re: #518 Fenway_Nation

I hear the daily kos fruitcup is worthy of Jonestown....

Isn't kos the one-stop shop for 57 varieties of fruitcake?

533 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:00:04am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

534 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:00:41am

The thread lives! At least my little corner does....

535 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:01:18am

re: #533 littleoldlady

Morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruit cup.

536 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:02:04am

re: #534 Fenway_Nation

It hasn't died yet. We haven't gone at least more than 15 minutes with no posts. Only then do we bring out the crash cart.

537 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:03:34am

BlueCanuck! :-)

538 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:04:33am

re: #533 littleoldlady

LoL ! Thought you'd never get here !

(don't mind me, you are punctual as always - I'm the one whose derriere is draggin' . . . )

Thank you, as always !

539 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:07:00am

Temujin! :-)

Old t-shirt that's somewhere in this house... "What am I doing out of bed?!"

540 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:13:31am

re: #539 littleoldlady

LoL ; my T-shirt has the following legend :

INSTANT HUMAN
Just add Coffee

/speaking of which, I do believe I will . . .

541 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:13:32am

Thanks for the fruitcup, lol.

542 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:14:10am

Sharmuta! :-)

543 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:21:09am

Meanwhile, back at Moonbat Central :

This old soldier never learns

And they wonder why I'm supporting McCain . . .

544 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:21:21am

re: #542 littleoldlady

I'm super excited to hear Rudy. I think he'll give a great speech and will be able to move some of the undecideds to our side.

545 loveguru  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:24:09am

Morning room... todays Puzzle...

1st the article. ..

"Obama's lost brother tracked down in Nairobi outskirt..... "

Puzzle ....
how much resources MSM had burned to find this person... that stayed always in Nairobi outskirts.. ?

546 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:24:56am

re: #543 Temujin

Wow, that was some of the most revisionist piece of tripe I have read since. . . . ..

Well the last time I read something from the left coast. :)

547 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:27:07am

re: #544 Sharmuta

I know he'll give a great speech. :-)

However, I think the key to a McCain win is people getting to know Obama better...

548 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:28:06am

re: #545 loveguru

Puzzle . . . why didn't Barack and Michelle track him down ? And send him a buck or two, while they were at it ?

/or was she too busy paying off their student loans . . . ?

549 Cognito  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:29:52am

re: #501 zombie

I am into very, very esoteric music. Not "esoteric" exactly, but obscure -- masterpieces that were never recognized and fell through the cracks of history. You might call me a musical archaeoloigist.

Hi Zombie,

I'm a bit late coming to this discussion, but I'm curious which pieces of music you might be talking about -- I'm always interested in secret masterpieces, of whatever sort.

550 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:32:45am

re: #548 Temujin

I sent that around in emails yesterday with the comment: "Obama will care about the rest of us as much as he cares for a member of his own family."

Of all the disgusting things that's in that man's background, this one is especially disgusting.

551 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:33:55am

re: #547 littleoldlady

Yes, your majesty ! No, your majesty !
Tell us how low to go, your majesty !
Make some more decrees, your majesty !
Give us a kick if it please your majesty !
Give us a kick if you would, your majesty !
OH !
Oh, that was good, your majesty !

552 loveguru  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:35:53am

re: #548 Temujin

Puzzle . . . why didn't Barack and Michelle track him down ? And send him a buck or two, while they were at it ?

/or was she too busy paying off their student loans . . . ?

well look at celebrity part of that...

long lost brother, that was seen last time in 2006 when Senator Obama was on a tour of East Africa and visited Nairobi...

now i had not seen my cousin from 5 years... because he is in US, and i m in Germany .... and my parents in India... so should i call my cousin as 'long lost cousin' ?

553 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:37:40am

re: #547 littleoldlady

I'm hoping that giving Rudy some prime time means we'd be seeing him in a McCain administration- maybe AG or Homeland security.

And I think just as key as getting people to vote against obama is getting people to vote FOR McCain. If he keeps coming on strong like he did at Saddlebrook, he'll do just that.

554 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:39:39am

re: #553 Sharmuta

You don't have to sell me on Rudy. He was my first choice from the get-go.

/and I will never know what went wrong... :-(

555 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:42:33am

re: #545 loveguru

Morning room... todays Puzzle...

1st the article. ..

"Obama's lost brother tracked down in Nairobi outskirt..... "

Puzzle ....
how much resources MSM had burned to find this person... that stayed always in Nairobi outskirts.. ?

When the Swift Boat vets first came out, didn't ABC News fly a camera-crew to Vietnam to interview an old VietCong guerilla who may or may not have witnessed Kerry's actions to try and contradict the Swifties?

556 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:44:51am

re: #554 littleoldlady

He was my first pick too, but I'm warming up to McCain in the extent that I'm now wanting to vote for him and not just against obama.

557 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:45:19am

re: #552 loveguru

All that is gold does not glitter
Not all those who wander are lost
The old that is strong does not wither
Deep roots are not touched by the frost

558 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:49:36am

re: #556 Sharmuta

re: #543 Temujin


The more of those hackneyed, patronizing comments I read in SF gate accompanying that revisionist pice of shit article (if Georgia 'provoked' Russia, then by the author's logic, Lebanon 'provoked' Israel in 2006) the more I realize I need to get as many people as possible to vote for McCain- not as tough a sell as it seemed a few weeks ago, especially when I mentioned Obama suggesting that Russia's incursion into Georgia be reviewed by the UN Security counil where Russia has a permanent seat and veto power.....

559 loveguru  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:52:50am

This is also interesting...

Dogs have a sense of right and wrong: Study

was wondering about those peoples, who had lost the sense of right and wrong !

560 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:53:20am

re: #558 Fenway_Nation

I think McCain should talk about drilling, drilling, and drilling. Did I mention drilling?

561 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:56:42am

re: #558 Fenway_Nation

I can't recall who said this but . . .

"There are only two things that could ever make me support John McCain - those would be Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama !"

And, we may still have them both to face !

“Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully.” - Samuel Johnson

562 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:04:00am

Keep in mind I found the next 'scandal' for the MSM to harp on in the lead-in to the GOP convention.

McCain's Son Sat on Board of Troubled Silver City Bank

Keep in mind Andrew McCain was on the board of Choice Bank when they were acquired by Silver State Bankcorp this spring, but given the whole nebulous 'scandal' regarding the lobbyist the NYT dutifully reported earlier this year, watch them try and beg the troubled Silver State Bank squarely to the McCain campaign.....

563 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:10:35am

We're moving MNT into the dorms today.

/my back is already in spasm in anticipation... :-/

Wish me luck!

Good day, ALL!™

564 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:11:53am

re: #563 littleoldlady

Fruitcup and moving the foosball table up seventten flights of stairs? Is there anything you can't do?

565 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:20:46am

re: #563 littleoldlady

by littleoldlady, try not to hurt yourself.

566 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:23:21am

re: #565 BlueCanuck

And lift with your knees, not your back!

567 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:26:01am

re: #480 Killian Bundy

Can Jerry Seinfeld Save Vista?

"K-B" -

Unfortunately, RODNEY DANGERFIELD, who would be the perfect spokesperson for VISTA is no longer among the living.

-S-

568 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:28:19am

Good news!

Turkey allows US ships to take aid to Georgia

About damn time.

569 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:32:23am

re: #568 Sharmuta

Wonder why the about-face. How much Turkish investment is in Georgia? The UAE has already found out their considerable investment in Georgia- a proposed Free Economic Zone around the port of Poti- doesn't look too good with Russian armour and infantry parked on top of the rubble. Same might hold true for some Turkish properties....

570 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:32:58am

i could get the political hots for gov'r Palin would make a wonderful choice.

MILF 4 VPOTUS

571 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:33:13am

re: #568 Sharmuta

Nice to see our NATO allies are finally coming to their senses. The question now remains how long will they remain our allies?

572 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:34:30am

re: #569 Fenway_Nation

Well- did they have that big, fancy NATO meeting? Turkey still wants in the EU- they might have been told to play nice or the EU membership could be in jeopardy. Just a thought.

573 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:40:11am

re: #572 Sharmuta

Truth be told, I have a hard time imagining the Euros having the chutzpah to leverage Turkey with their possible membership.

This is the same EU who told the Ukraine that their potential membership was in jeopardy for giving the death sentence to a mass-murderer.

574 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:42:19am

re: #571 BlueCanuck

Nice to see our NATO allies are finally coming to their senses. The question now remains how long will they remain our allies?

Don't blink.

Mornin folks.

575 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:45:32am

re: #573 Fenway_Nation

Well- perhaps the threat of the bear has persuaded some to behave with more of a spine. But something happened to get the Turks to start playing nice. I just don't know what other carrot there is.

576 freetoken  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:59:34am

re: #569 Fenway_Nation

Wonder why the about-face.

Supposedly there was a pre-planned training exercise (which originally included the Russians), which had already required approval of the Turks for the ships, except for the large LCC which may be added to the mix.

Now, the Russians are planning on putting their aircraft carrier in the med:

Read more here:
[Link: informationdissemination.blogspot.com...]

577 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:04:21am

re: #576 freetoken

The more of Russia's actions I see this month, the more grateful I am for the Ukranian Orange Revolution. Had things turned out differently, the Ukraine would be a vassal state to the Kremlin a-la Belarus. However, at this time the majority of the northern Black Sea coast is in the hands of a nation far more receptive to NATO, the USA and EU.

578 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:09:43am

i can see were my son fits in here

Youtube Video

579 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:14:11am

re: #576 freetoken

Supposedly there was a pre-planned training exercise (which originally included the Russians), which had already required approval of the Turks for the ships, except for the large LCC which may be added to the mix.

Now, the Russians are planning on putting their aircraft carrier in the med:

Read more here:
[Link: informationdissemination.blogspot.com...]

The Russians have been trying for a Mediterranean port for more than 100 years.

580 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:17:56am

re: #575 Sharmuta

Well- perhaps the threat of the bear has persuaded some to behave with more of a spine. But something happened to get the Turks to start playing nice. I just don't know what other carrot there is.

See #576. There is nothing that Russia has wanted more than Mediterranean ports - and they've been trying for more than 100 years to get them. Russians in the Med will completely override Turkey's century of control of the Bosphorus.

581 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:18:46am
582 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:31:12am

U.S. says likely to help Georgia rebuild military

The United States expects to help Georgia rebuild its military following the conflict with Russia over breakaway South Ossetia, a top U.S. general said on Thursday.

"One would assume ... we would have to help them rebuild because they are a partner in the war on terror, they've been helpful. They are going to ask us, I am sure, to replace and rebuild," General John Craddock, who is in charge of the U.S. European Command, told reporters during a trip to Georgia.

I'm sure this will really piss off the russians. Also- if it's a written agreement, a president obama (God forbid) would not be able to weasle out of it.

583 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:32:51am

Youtube Video

G-D BLESS

584 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:38:33am

re: #582 Sharmuta

U.S. says likely to help Georgia rebuild military

I'm sure this will really piss off the russians. Also- if it's a written agreement, a presidentHRH obama (God forbid) would not be able to weasle out of it.

Sure he would. Delay, obfuscate, give them the oldest crap that would otherwise be in the dump. We had written agreements to sell certain things to Israel (jet fue and bombs as I recall) that when Condi & company decided the Lebanon Summer War was over were simply never delivered.

585 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:44:14am

re: #577 Fenway_Nation

The more of Russia's actions I see this month, the more grateful I am for the Ukranian Orange Revolution. Had things turned out differently, the Ukraine would be a vassal state to the Kremlin a-la Belarus. However, at this time the majority of the northern Black Sea coast is in the hands of a nation far more receptive to NATO, the USA and EU.

That's a really good point. However, I read the other day that the Prime Minister is being accused of Russian sympathies. I think I saw it in Spiegel.

586 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:45:06am

This is interesting. And it seems to have gone completely unremarked on (Unnoticed?) here -

Iran Calls Military Attachés Back Home
TEHRAN (FNA)- Iran's military attachés worldwide were summoned to Tehran to attend a meeting in the capital on Tuesday. (FARS News)

Calling all of a nation's military attaches home at once is an extremely unusual move.

587 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:48:12am

re: #586 galloping granny

Now that's interesting. I wonder where all their military attaches were?

588 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:51:24am

re: #587 BlueCanuck

Now that's interesting. I wonder where all their military attaches were?

Well, there would be one in every country they have dealings with - I guess my list would look something like Russia, Belarus, Syria, Venezuela, Pakistan at the very least. Let me see if I can find out.

589 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:51:44am

re: #543 Temujin

Meanwhile, back at Moonbat Central :

This old soldier never learns

And they wonder why I'm supporting McCain . . .

DEFEAT THY NAME IS DEMOCRAT

590 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:53:48am

re: #586 galloping granny

This is interesting. And it seems to have gone completely unremarked on (Unnoticed?) here -


Calling all of a nation's military attaches home at once is an extremely unusual move.

EITHER THEY ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING OR THEY EXPECT SOMETHING

591 stevieray  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:54:56am

re: #587 BlueCanuck

Now that's interesting. I wonder where all their military attaches were?

Taking Photoshop classes at the New School, of course!

592 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:56:30am

Looking through the links here I picked up at least two more -

Pyongyang

EU military attaches walk out at Iran parade
EU military attaches walk out at Iran parade ... past carrying vitriolic anti-US and Israeli slogans, ... Iran showed off six of its Shahab-3 medium-range ...

Military attaches are usually reciprocal, so if the EU has military attaches in Iran, then Iran would have military attaches at the EU.

The links in the list, BTW, seem to indicate that the meeting was with the top general of the Iranian army.

593 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:57:04am

re: #590 yochanan

EITHER THEY ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING OR THEY EXPECT SOMETHING

That would be my assessment too.

594 hmslizard  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:58:38am

Coca Cola will decorate cans with the star and crescent for Ramadan.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie w&pageId=72822

595 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:01:57am

re: #594 hmslizard

Coca Cola will decorate cans with the star and crescent for Ramadan.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f a=PAGE.view&pageId=72822

What does Coca Cola have to say about it?

596 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:02:18am

I think I would add Qatar to the list - their Emir is currently paying a visit to Iran.

And we can add Zagreb to the list. Used to be Yugoslavia, don't know off the top of my head which chunk it is in these days.

Those are both from the links here - [Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

597 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:02:27am

re: #595 MandyManners

What does Coca Cola have to say about it?

No Comment.

598 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:03:03am

re: #595 MandyManners

What does Coca Cola have to say about it?

No clue. I wrote to them several days ago and have not heard a single word. Haven't seen anything in the way of a statement either.

599 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:06:44am

As if anyone needed further reason to drink Pepsi instead of Coke.

600 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:07:46am

Russia "to freeze" NATO ties

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

All kinds of little things seem to be falling in place.

601 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:08:37am

Good Morning Lizards..
How is everyone today?

602 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:09:59am

re: #601 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards..
How is everyone today?

Just fine, though chilly - and you?

603 Irene NYC  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:11:24am

Good morning lizards.

Looks like the beginning of another explosive day.

Dozens feared dead in Pakistani blast.

604 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:11:48am

[Link: www.buyinisrael.com...]

605 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:14:01am

Well time for me to go. Another late day at work. See you folks off and on over the next two days. (Wooooo HOoooo, it's my weekend).

stay scaly.

606 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:14:31am

Okay, the tide is definitely turning against Barak Hussein Obama. Even the ultra-liberal Boston Globe thinks he's in trouble.

It's up to Obama to erase the doubt

Is he ready to be president? Does he care enough about ordinary people to deliver for them?

The buzz about Obama's pick for vice president - expected any day now - is irrelevant background noise. No one votes for second banana. People vote for commander in chief. Leadership and empathy at the top of the ticket matter much more than any consultant's notion of balance at the bottom.

607 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:18:56am

Moonbat Events at the DNC.

Stand Up For Choice in 2008
Open to the public. Comedy and Political Party: Laugh with comedians Rubi Nicholas from Nick@Nite's "America's Funniest Mom" and Comedy Central's Lynne Koplitz Enjoy complimentary hors d'oeuvres and a free drink on us. Featuring: Lynne Koplitz

CODEPINK Parade
Open to the public. Restore Democracy parade and Procession for the Future. Forms at Union Station & proceeds to Cuernavaca Park.

Shake Your Money Maker — Denver Mint
Open to the public. Join us as we encircle the Denver Mint (where U.S. currency is produced) and use our collective power to raise the mint building in the air and shake the money out of it for the people.

Confront the Spectacle- We vote no!
Open to the public. As delegates arrive at the Pepsi Center, snake marches will converge on the entrances in order to create spaces for different levels of delegate movement disruption.

Anticapitalist march
Open to the public. Join the march or participate in decentralized actions that will disrupt the capitalist corruption & cronyism of the 2 party system by targeting specific fundraisers, delegate parties and corporations backing the DNC.

Activist Day of Trainings
Open to the public. Non-violent Civil Resistance, Legal Observer Trainings, Health and Safety for Protesters, Self-defense Training, Know Your Rights Trainings, Non-technical Blockades, and much more!

Prisoner and Human Rights Day
Open to the public. CODEPINK offers strategic actions.

Environmental Action Day
Open to the public. CODEPINK.

End the Occupations March and Rally — West Steps of the Colorado State Capitol Building
Open to the public. The Dems have the power to end the US's illegal colonizations and wars, but they will not without pressure from the people. The March will begin at the WEST STEPS OF THE CAPITOL and end on Speer Blvd in front of the Pepsi Center.

Freedom March — Civic Center Park
Open to the public. Join supporters of Leonard Peltier, Mumia Abu Jamal, The Cuban Five, and other political prisoners for the Freedom March and Rally!

March against the prison industrial complex
Open to the public. March against the prison industrial complex for freedom for all political prisoners.

Pro-Immigration March
Open to the public. The national mobilization will provide a venue for immigrants and their allies to demonstrate their decree for just and fair reform for our country's broken immigration system.

All American America Protest
Open to the public. The "All-American America" Protest at the Democratic National Convention will be a "come-as-you-are" and "go-as-you want" affair.

Experience Guantanamo in Denver
A life size replica of a cell at Guantanamo Bay is coming to Denver the week of the Democratic National Convention, from August 24 -27. Tour the cell and find out what it's like to be illegally detained.

Rage Against the Machine war protest concert
Tickets required. Rage Against the Machine has agreed to perform as part of the "Tent State Music Festival to End the War." They will be joined by Denver's Flobots, The Coup,

Families for Obama Rally and Play Date!
Open to the public. Mothers, Fathers, Grandmothers, Grandfathers, Aunts, Uncles, Brothers, Sisters, Babies, Toddlers and Older Kids are invited to a "Familes for Obama" Rally

THC National Convention 2008
Open to the public.

"Open the Debates" Nader/Gonzalez Super Rally
Open to the public. During the Democratic National Convention, the Nader/Gonzalez Campaign will be holding a Super Rally for 5,000-7,000 people at the University of Denver Mag

JDs4Obama08
Open to the public. The mission of this grass roots effort is to contact by personal visits as many legal professionals, law students, Judges and legal organizations as possible to enlighten them to get more active in this Historic election.

[Link: calendar.politicswest.com...]

I love a circus!

608 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:20:32am

FRY MUMIA

609 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:21:40am

re: #606 galloping granny

Okay, the tide is definitely turning against Barak Hussein Obama. Even the ultra-liberal Boston Globe thinks he's in trouble.

An interesting quote from your link:

In 2008, McCain has an added mission. He needs to turn Obama's eloquence into something unappealing.

Had you noticed any eloquence? Except, of course, when he's chanting about the ususal hope, change, etc.

610 opnion  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:22:08am

The Obama people are now claiming that Barry slipped in the polls because of his one week trip to Hawaii. You know , out of sight out of mind.
I don't think so. I think that it was his trip to Germany & too much exposure.
By the way, good morning

611 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:24:10am

Good morning Lizards....

612 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:24:25am

MILF 4 VPOTUS

613 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:25:06am

re: #609 scottishbuzzsaw

Had you noticed any eloquence? Except, of course, when he's chanting about the ususal hope, change, etc.

Yes and no. His speech on "racism in Amerika" was reasonably well delivered, perhaps even eloquent, if you could overlook the outright plagiarism from the words of others (Gettysburg and JFK were a couple I picked up.)

He definitely is not on his game without his teleprompter unless he is doing a fairly typical "community organizer" rant ala the one being shown this morning on Fox where he goes after Fox for daring to give Corsi airtime.

614 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:25:14am

re: #607 Walter L. Newton

Proving that Rove never went away. He went underground.
/I love it when a plan comes together.

615 songbird  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:25:45am

re: #612 yochanan

MILF 4 VPOTUS

That's just kind of crude. :-(

616 songbird  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:26:47am

re: #601 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards..
How is everyone today?

Good Morning!
{HoosierHoops}

I've not been online much as school has started and I'm busier than a one armed paper hanger in a windstorm!

617 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:29:02am

re: #615 songbird

tacky but funny i would say

618 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:29:15am

re: #610 opnion

The Obama people are now claiming that Barry slipped in the polls because of his one week trip to Hawaii. You know , out of sight out of mind.
I don't think so. I think that it was his trip to Germany & too much exposure.
By the way, good morning

Good morning to you too. I agree. The trip to Germany among other things. Yesterday they were trying to blame John McCain's ads and a couple of other things. Meanwhile, Obama is so full of himself that even though people of all stripes have been writing about his real problems for weeks, Obama & Co. simply wave everything off as "can't be right, can't be me."

619 opnion  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:32:44am

re: #618 galloping granny

Good morning to you too. I agree. The trip to Germany among other things. Yesterday they were trying to blame John McCain's ads and a couple of other things. Meanwhile, Obama is so full of himself that even though people of all stripes have been writing about his real problems for weeks, Obama & Co. simply wave everything off as "can't be right, can't be me."

Well said. The Messianic complex is really starting to scare people..

620 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:33:54am

some times politics and politicians are just to straight laced for their own good. if it is a little tacky so be it.

621 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:36:10am

re: #619 opnion

Well said. The Messianic complex is really starting to scare people..

As well it should. The single leader I can recall in at least the last several hundred years who rode to power on a wave of public acclaim and virtually nothing else is the individual that we call today Hitler.

622 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:36:30am

Until I see something official from Coca Cola, I'm holding back.

Here's the link to Coca Cola again.

[Link: www.coca-cola.com...]

The CONTACT button is not the same as it was the other day.

623 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:37:04am

re: #589 yochanan

DEFEAT


the old soldier.
anytime a politician snubs a military vet he better check his numbers.

There are 24.5 million The number of military veterans in the United States.
1.7 million The number of veterans who are women.
Since its founding in 1910 as part of the international Scout Movement, more than 110 million Americans have been members of the Boy and Girl Scouts of America.
These young people are taught love of country and respect.

America is still in good hands.

Obama has a problem.

624 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:38:35am

re: #622 MandyManners

Until I see something official from Coca Cola, I'm holding back.

Here's the link to Coca Cola again.

[Link: www.coca-cola.com...]

The CONTACT button is not the same as it was the other day.

I wrote them a pre-emptive letter, stating that I had just heard about this and warning them in almost the same words that I wrote here that if they chose to issue a can containing a religious symbol here in the US, where they have never done so for either Christianity or Judaism, that they would be heralding the last day that my famil would ever consume the first molecule of any Coke product. Which includes MinuteMaid.

625 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:40:04am

re: #623 ibmkeyboard

the old soldier.
anytime a politician snubs a military vet he better check his numbers.

There are 24.5 million The number of military veterans in the United States.
1.7 million The number of veterans who are women.
Since its founding in 1910 as part of the international Scout Movement, more than 110 million Americans have been members of the Boy and Girl Scouts of America.
These young people are taught love of country and respect.

America is still in good hands.

Obama has a problem.

Don't forget that many of those military veterans also have wives or ex-wives.

626 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:40:38am

re: #625 galloping granny

Don't forget that many of those military veterans also have wives or ex-wives.

And children.....

627 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:40:45am

re: #612 yochanan

MILF 4 VPOTUS

What's a MILF?

628 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:41:14am

re: #627 MandyManners

Oh, never mind.

629 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:41:49am

re: #627 MandyManners

What's a MILF?

Do you have your clue-by-four handy? It stands for "Mother I'd like to fornicate"

630 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:41:56am

re: #624 galloping granny

They might be planning to release it solely in the Middle East.

That still would piss me off.

631 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:42:31am

re: #628 MandyManners

Oh, never mind.

I'm curious too. My daughter says there is an Acronym dictionary online. Let me see if I can find it.

632 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:42:40am

re: #629 doriangrey

Yes, I recalled about 20 seconds after I posted.

gah

633 opnion  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:42:44am

re: #621 galloping granny

As well it should. The single leader I can recall in at least the last several hundred years who rode to power on a wave of public acclaim and virtually nothing else is the individual that we call today Hitler.

There are paralells. I am not comparing Obama to Hitler, just the mindless support.

634 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:43:05am

re: #631 galloping granny

Dorian has the answer.

635 opnion  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:43:31am

Later!

636 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:43:54am

re: #634 MandyManners

Dorian has the answer.

Much whacking with the clue-by-four to follow.... lol...lol...lol...

637 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:43:57am

re: #625 galloping granny

Don't forget that many of those military veterans also have wives or ex-wives.

Thank You.

Obama has a problem.

638 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:43:58am

re: #635 opnion

Earlier!

639 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:44:11am

re: #629 doriangrey

Do you have your clue-by-four handy? It stands for "Mother I'd like to fornicate"

I guess we'll have to write to the Acronym Finder and have them add that one. It also stands for - [Link: www.acronymfinder.com...]

640 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:45:37am

re: #633 opnion

There are paralells. I am not comparing Obama to Hitler, just the mindless support.

I am not drawing any direct point by point comparison other than the rise from nowhere and the cult of personality.

641 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:46:00am

re: #639 galloping granny

I guess we'll have to write to the Acronym Finder and have them add that one. It also stands for - [Link: www.acronymfinder.com...]

The American Pie reference has it already.

642 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:46:11am

re: #639 galloping granny

I guess we'll have to write to the Acronym Finder and have them add that one. It also stands for - [Link: www.acronymfinder.com...]

It's in there, they just substituted "find" for the vulgar vernacular of fornicate.

643 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:47:03am

re: #640 galloping granny

I am not drawing any direct point by point comparison other than the rise from nowhere and the cult of personality.

Hitler wasn't anyone's post turtle.

644 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:47:41am

re: #630 MandyManners

They might be planning to release it solely in the Middle East.

That still would piss me off.

I would have fewer problems with them issuing it solely in the Mideast. I believe they also issue a kosher Coke for Passover and there are very few images that would not tick off the muslims. Snowflakes just won't do in the middle of the desert.

645 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:48:48am

[Link: www.aboutgeorgia.net...] is still down.

646 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:48:51am

Just heard on Fox re the "Club Gitmo" in Denver - those whining are "rebels without a clue."

647 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:49:16am

re: #644 galloping granny

I would have fewer problems with them issuing it solely in the Mideast. I believe they also issue a kosher Coke for Passover and there are very few images that would not tick off the muslims. Snowflakes just won't do in the middle of the desert.

Isn't Coke already kosher?

648 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:49:35am
They will be followed in primetime by California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush.

I read last night that Ahnuld had cancelled. I'll see if I can find it.

649 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:50:51am

re: #647 MandyManners

Isn't Coke already kosher?

I'm not sure that it is these days. We'll have to ask some of our Jewish friends when they show up. I do see bottles (not cans) of Coke put up especially for Passover here. Could just be a marketing gimmick I suppose.

650 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:50:55am

Oh and granny, Mandy, despite its vulgarity it is a statement that an older woman has retained a high degree of desirability, and yes there are also GMILF's...

652 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:54:19am

re: #650 doriangrey

Oh and granny, Mandy, despite its vulgarity it is a statement that an older woman has retained a high degree of desirability, and yes there are also GMILF's...

Oh and a MILF is generally 35 to 45 years old and a GMILF is 45 to 55....

653 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:55:58am

re: #647 MandyManners

Isn't Coke already kosher?

I don't know, but this says that the "Passover" Coke uses sugar rather than high-fructose corn syrup to meet some of the stricter Passover dietary rules. The details are in the article.

655 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:57:02am

bbl

656 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:57:53am

Barry brings out the attack dogs.

657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:00:09am

My confounded infernal laptop machine is acting up. Keeps...uh...just shutting down and re-booting!

AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!

658 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:00:28am

Never mind. Older story. Did he get a budget?

Gov. may skip convention.

Well, shoot. Now I'm really confused. Is he going or staying at home 'upset' like a girlieman?

Govenor 'upset' may stay away.

Schwarzenegger: 'I'm Upset,' Could Skip Republican Convention

Controller John Chiang Scores Political Points, Will Speak In Denver


Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger suffered a setback Wednesday when a superior court judge temporarily put on hold his plan to cut state worker salaries down to minimum wage. The governor also said he would not be speaking at the Republican National Convention unless a budget agreement could be reached in California
At the same time, a new star has emerged in the Democratic Party in the form of State Controller John Chiang, who refused to put Schwarzenegger's executive order into effect.

Chiang also now finds himself in the national spotlight because he has

been chosen to speak at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

The decision to pick Chiang was not a coincidence, NBC Bay Area's Mike Luery reported.

Will he, or won't he?

659 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:01:12am

Good morning all y'all - from a pleasant (70 degrees, going up to 87 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

660 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:01:44am

re: #652 doriangrey

Guess after one of my kids has a kid, I'll be married to one.

661 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:02:09am

re: #659 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a pleasant (70 degrees, going up to 87 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

Good morning! Rainy day in the St. Louis area. How are you?

662 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:03:06am

re: #659 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a pleasant (70 degrees, going up to 87 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

Morning realwest... Doing as well as can be expected considering I have a dentist appointment this afternoon... How are you doing this fine morning?

663 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:03:55am

re: #660 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Guess after one of my kids has a kid, I'll be married to one.

Ahhh, trading up from MILF to GMILF eh? You old geezer you.... ;P

664 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:04:56am

re: #658 razorbacker

Never mind. Older story. Did he get a budget?

Gov. may skip convention.

Well, shoot. Now I'm really confused. Is he going or staying at home 'upset' like a girlieman?

Govenor 'upset' may stay away.

Will he, or won't he?

I would not be surprised if he did. He is married to a Kennedy cousin you know. And I am almost thinking that Obama is going to pick Caroline Kennedy.

665 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:05:23am

re: #661 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning back atcha! Rainy as is showers or as in IT'S REALLY COMING DOWN HERE rainy?! LOL!
Down here we always seem to get like an inch or two of rain in about 5-6 hours, then nothing. I can count the number of days when we've had a "gentle, soaking rain" on the fingers of one hand!
I'm doing ok, though have to run out in about an hour or so to do some more darn chores!
How are you doing (other than wet, I mean!)?

666 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:05:35am

re: #659 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a pleasant (70 degrees, going up to 87 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

You hush up realwest! It is 52 here!

667 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:05:50am

Well got to head off to work.... some of youse guys just seem to keep showing up later and later every day... At this rate I'll be saying hello to you to day only to have you respond tomorrow...

668 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:06:36am

re: #667 doriangrey

Well got to head off to work.... some of youse guys just seem to keep showing up later and later every day... At this rate I'll be saying hello to you to day only to have you respond tomorrow...

and some of us show up but never leave the lurkisphere

669 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:06:53am

re: #662 doriangrey
Hey dorian, I'm doing ok - are you getting your tooth extracted with Novocaine or are they gonna put you out?
And if it's the latter, I sure as heck hope you have someone to drive you home afterwards! In any event, my best wishes to you!

670 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:07:34am

re: #665 realwest

Good morning back atcha! Rainy as is showers or as in IT'S REALLY COMING DOWN HERE rainy?! LOL!
Down here we always seem to get like an inch or two of rain in about 5-6 hours, then nothing. I can count the number of days when we've had a "gentle, soaking rain" on the fingers of one hand!
I'm doing ok, though have to run out in about an hour or so to do some more darn chores!
How are you doing (other than wet, I mean!)?

A gentle steady rain, for a change. I'm doing well, thank you! Turned 49 on Tuesday and my husband and I drank a little too much champagne. Fuzzy day yesterday. Today, all's well and back to as normal as we ever get!

671 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:07:39am

re: #666 galloping granny

You hush up realwest! It is 52 here!

High of 84 predicted today, but it has been raining daily since Saturday. If any sun gets through, it'll be a steambath.

672 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:07:51am

Good morning... it's still early in the morning but already we have a MILF thread, thanks to yochanan.

On a more trivial note:

Tripwire

The United States and Poland reached a long-stalled deal on Thursday to place an American missile defense base on Polish territory, in the strongest reaction so far to Russia’s military operation in Georgia. Russia reacted angrily, saying that the move would worsen relations with the United States that have already been strained severely in the week since Russian troops entered separatist enclaves in Georgia, a close American ally. …

In exchange for providing the base, Poland would get what the two sides called “enhanced security cooperation,” notably a top-of-the-line Patriot air defense system that can shoot down shorter-range missiles or attacking fighters or bombers. A senior Pentagon official described an unusual part of this quid pro quo: an American Patriot battery would be moved from Germany to Poland, where it would be operated by a crew of about 100 American military personnel members. The expenses would be shared by both nations. American troops would join the Polish military, at least temporarily, at the front lines — facing east toward Russia.

Recall, Obama has pledged to scrap the missile defense program, which would mean instead of bolstering democratic allies in eastern Europe, the US would expose them to increasing pressure from the new Russian empire.

673 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:08:49am

re: #666 galloping granny Geez, only 52? There musta been SOME compelling reason for you to move to such a cold weather state but boy it'd take a lot for this ole boy to move to a cold weather state these days! LOL!
Other than chilly, how are you {galloping granny}?

674 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:10:20am

Did anyone watch women's volleyball last night? Carrie Walsh (sp?) thanked "Mr. President" - I thought that was so amazing! Knowing how liberal/left the media is.

How are the mouth-breathing liberal media dorks going to handle it?

675 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:10:29am

re: #671 OldLineTexan

High of 84 predicted today, but it has been raining daily since Saturday. If any sun gets through, it'll be a steambath.

They just had a blurb about the flooding in Georgia - where people are being warned to watch out for alligators in the flooded streets.

676 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:10:53am

re: #670 scottishbuzzsaw
49? 49?!? A mere piffle! I mean, I was in High School when you were born, ah, uh............
Happy Belated Birthday to you! And many, many more!

677 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:11:12am

re: #674 FrogMarch

Did anyone watch women's volleyball last night? Carrie Walsh (sp?) thanked "Mr. President" - I thought that was so amazing! Knowing how liberal/left the media is.

How are the mouth-breathing liberal media dorks going to handle it?

Ignore it, as they ignore almost anything else that doesn't fit the agenda.

678 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:11:49am

re: #673 realwest

Geez, only 52? There musta been SOME compelling reason for you to move to such a cold weather state but boy it'd take a lot for this ole boy to move to a cold weather state these days! LOL!
Other than chilly, how are you {galloping granny}?

I'm fine - though cold, LOL. Normally Vermont is not this cold at this time of year. We've had a very unusual summer. Nothing but rain and cold.

679 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:12:11am

oops It's Kerri not Carrie.

680 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:12:19am

re: #678 galloping granny

I'm fine - though cold, LOL. Normally Vermont is not this cold at this time of year. We've had a very unusual summer. Nothing but rain and cold.

Damned Canadians, stealing our global warming.

/

681 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:12:38am

re: #672 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! Uh, what's a MILF thread, anyway?

682 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:13:22am

re: #675 galloping granny

They just had a blurb about the flooding in Georgia - where people are being warned to watch out for alligators in the flooded streets.

You are really going to confuse Obama with the multiple Georgia references.
Russians, Alligators, floods.
*All above his pay grade

683 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:13:52am

re: #678 galloping granny It's that damn Al Gore's fault - global warming is responsible for this - or Bush. Or Israel.
But I dib's global warming! Maybe it means you'll have a milder winter!

684 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:14:02am

re: #676 realwest
Thank you, my friend. And are we both hoping that Coz will have a much nicer topic for his 'stuff' today than he did yesterday? I have a placard ready to protest one more word about bugs!

685 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:14:05am

re: #681 realwest

Good morning Kenneth! Uh, what's a MILF thread, anyway?

If LaZardo is here, it's about the Moro Islamic Liberation Front. Otherwise, it's an acronym for Mother I'd Like to

686 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:16:53am

re: #674 FrogMarch

Did anyone watch women's volleyball last night? Carrie Walsh (sp?) thanked "Mr. President" - I thought that was so amazing!

Did I misread that? Carrie Walsh spanked the President? I thought that was Laura's job...

687 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:17:50am

re: #684 scottishbuzzsaw
You have a placard ready? Boy, I really am old school - I've got a tire iron ready just in case! LOL!

688 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:18:33am

re: #682 shug

You are really going to confuse Obama with the multiple Georgia references.
Russians, Alligators, floods.
*All above his pay grade

Yup. I love that comment. Can't we just see it now -

The phone rings. It is 3 am. It is a dire emergency that no one by the POTUS can handle. Obama answers the phone and says "That is above my pay grade. Leave me alone. I am eating a waffle."

He sure would take really good care of us, wouldn't he?

689 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:18:42am

re: #681 realwest

Good morning, my good man. Go ahead and google MILF. There are 2 meanings, one is an Islamic/ethnic guerrilla movement int eh Philippines, and the other is, well, you'll just have to find out for yourself.

690 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:18:54am

re: #685 OldLineTexan
Ah, ok, got it! LOL!
How are you this morning, other than wet, I mean?!

691 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:19:46am

re: #688 galloping granny

"That is above my pay grade. Leave me alone. I am eating a waffle."

I so want that on a bumper sticker, T-shirt and billboard!

692 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:19:58am

re: #689 Kenneth
Ah thanks, but Old Line Texan told me all I need to know at #685!

693 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:20:26am

re: #687 realwest

You have a placard ready? Boy, I really am old school - I've got a tire iron ready just in case! LOL!

Well, that would do the trick more efficiently, wouldn't it? I'll leave it to you then to take care of the situation!

694 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:20:44am

re: #688 galloping granny

Obama is an ignoramus.

and an ignoramus who's been told he's brilliant is a very dangerous individual when they achieve any sort of power.

695 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:21:28am

re: #691 Kenneth

I so want that on a bumper sticker, T-shirt and billboard!

Well, we can get it on a T-shirt here -
[Link: www.customink.com...]

696 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:21:52am

re: #686 Kenneth

Did I misread that? Carrie Walsh spanked the President? I thought that was Laura's job...


right!

Turns out that photo of Pres. Bush "spanking" Misty May -was simply Bush saying "oh your the one with the tattoos" (Misty May has tattoos in honor of her mother etc..) and then after Misty May turned around he gave a gentle smack on her tattoo.

So the KOS/Sullivan mouth-breathers were wrong.

697 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:22:09am

US officials have said that their military presence in Georgia will now become permanent.

The American military has been training and equipping the Georgian army since the spring of 2002. Having trained three battalions of Georgian soldiers, US military instructors were due to leave in March. Georgia's new president-elect has set the removal of Russian troops still based in the country as a major priority for his government.On Saturday the US ambassador to Georgia said they had decided to continue training the Georgian army in a full-time programme.

The Law of Unintended Consequences just bit Putin's ass.

698 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:22:16am

re: #693 scottishbuzzsaw

I'll leave it to you then to take care of the situation!

Oh swell, I've already got a ton of chores to do today and I AM supposed to be retired. Sigh. Ok, if my good friend coz comes on board with ANYTHING about insects I'll give him a virtual *whack* upside his head!

699 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:22:57am

re: #694 shug
HEY! Hi shug! How are you this morning?

700 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:23:51am

re: #696 FrogMarch

So the KOS/Sullivan mouth-breathers were wrong.

Sullivan has projected fantasies of Daddy Bush spanking him.

701 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:23:55am

re: #698 realwest

Oh swell, I've already got a ton of chores to do today and I AM supposed to be retired. Sigh. Ok, if my good friend coz comes on board with ANYTHING about insects I'll give him a virtual *whack* upside his head!

Well, I DO have a cast iron frypan...shall I have it ready when you leave for chores?

702 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:24:22am

"Want to, Mr. President?"

Then May-Treanor turned her back to the president, offering her bikinied rear for one of the traditional slaps that volleyball players frequently give each other.

"Mr. President, want to?" she asked,

Echoing his lament after 9-11, Bill Clinton was heard to lament, "Why couldn't this have happened when I was President?"

They'd still be trying to pry him off the poor girl.

703 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:25:38am

re: #697 Kenneth

US officials have said that their military presence in Georgia will now become permanent.

The Law of Unintended Consequences just bit Putin's ass.

ROFLMAO.

704 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:26:14am

re: #701 scottishbuzzsawNah, it won't be necessary - coz is a true gentleman and just asking him to stop will be enough.
Course, if I'm wrong, y'all keep that fry pan handy!

705 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:26:32am

re: #699 realwest

HEY! Hi shug! How are you this morning?

Good my man. Glad to see you seem your usual chipper self

I'm flying to Chicago tomorrow to take in a cubs game so I'm pretty excited about that.

as long as it doesn't rain

706 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:27:31am

re: #678 galloping granny

I'm fine - though cold, LOL. Normally Vermont is not this cold at this time of year. We've had a very unusual summer. Nothing but rain and cold.

my garden never really got going this summer. very disappointing.
and tues. morning, i got up and the temp was 46 degrees.
brrrrrrrr.

good morning, folks

707 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:29:12am

re: #700 Kenneth

Sullivan has projected fantasies of Daddy Bush spanking him.

Right you are Ken.

708 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:30:00am

re: #706 nyc redneck

and tues. morning, i got up and the temp was 46 degrees.
brrrrrrrr.

good morning, folks

Good morning! Will you please send the cold our way? We're transplanted from our beloved New England and MISS the cold! I know, I know...weird.

709 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:30:03am

re: #697 Kenneth

US officials have said that their military presence in Georgia will now become permanent.

The Law of Unintended Consequences just bit Putin's ass.

From your link -

Last week, the Bush administration also called for Russia to remove its military and said it was even prepared to take up some of the costs needed for the relocation of Russian troops.

WTF? We're already cleaning up the disaster for the Georgians, including all of the destroyed/stolen military equipment. So now we're going to PAY the Russians to leave?!

710 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:30:04am

re: #705 shug Uh, you're excited about going to a Cub's game or going to Chicago?!

711 Iron Fist  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:30:06am

re: #705 shug

Let's save all the rain for Obama's big speech!

Hey, a guy can hope :-)

712 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:30:23am

that question he got asked, wasn't above anyone's "pay grade"
anyone could say how they feel abt. it.
he's running for potus and he can't?
bull sh*t.

713 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:30:51am

re: #711 Iron Fist

Let's save all the rain for Obama's big speech!

Hey, a guy can hope :-)

I'd love some Golf ball sized hail stones, as long as we're asking

714 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:31:09am

re: #706 nyc redneck
Good morning to you - wow 46 degrees in NYC? That musta been some kind of record for August, no?!

715 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:31:31am

re: #706 nyc redneck

my garden never really got going this summer. very disappointing.
and tues. morning, i got up and the temp was 46 degrees.
brrrrrrrr.

good morning, folks

I hear you. All my early stuff for spring bolted from the week we had in mid May that was 99 and 100. And since it has been so rainy and so cold that the tomatoes are not ripening.

716 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:33:55am

re: #711 Iron Fist
Hey 'Bro! How are ya doing?
I've had fantasies about Obama and the stadium - starts with an Eagle flying over head and pooping on the Obama man, ends when he aprroaches the microphone and just as he's about to say his first words, the skies open up, and a blizzards starts - Al Gore scurries to get away and everyone leaves, wet and cold - no speach! LOL!

717 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:34:30am

HMMM - Denvers Archbishop was not invited to the Democrat convention.

718 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:35:04am

george hussein ongongo (?) obama.
i wonder how many more siblings b.o. has out there, living in huts.

719 Random63  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:35:05am

So McCain is having his Amnesty ally Mel Martinez speak at the convention...just great.

720 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:35:11am

re: #713 shug ROFL! OK, but I prefer my fantasy at #716!

And ya know, in Mile High Stadium, it's a possibility!

721 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:35:30am

Good morning, all! I hope the day finds everyone well!

And those of you with cooler weather - send some down this way, would you please?

722 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:35:37am

re: #716 realwest

Hey 'Bro! How are ya doing?
I've had fantasies about Obama and the stadium - starts with an Eagle flying over head and pooping on the Obama man, ends when he aprroaches the microphone and just as he's about to say his first words, the skies open up, and a blizzards starts - Al Gore scurries to get away and everyone leaves, wet and cold - no speach! LOL!

Have you ever read Sum of All Fears?

723 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:36:06am

re: #717 galloping granny Link, please?!?

724 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:36:33am

re: #721 reine.de.tout

Good morning, all! I hope the day finds everyone well!

And those of you with cooler weather - send some down this way, would you please?

Good morning! How are you?

I already have dibs on the cooler weather, though...

725 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:37:11am

re: #721 reine.de.tout
Good morning to you! Uh, where is it you're at that's so hot this morning?

726 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:37:22am

An audio recording from 2002 of Obama explaining why he was opposed to the BAIPA bill. Note his explanation does not mention the excuse he uses today, that the bill "threatened Roe vs Wade".

"Essentially adding an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision...

Sickening.

727 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:37:29am

re: #714 realwest

Good morning to you - wow 46 degrees in NYC? That musta been some kind of record for August, no?!

that was upstate ny. but even cold for there. my tomatoes are so unhappy w/ the chilly night air. how are you, {real} ?

728 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:37:37am

re: #723 realwest

Link, please?!?

It is on the news - Fox.

729 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:38:03am

re: #725 realwest

Good morning to you! Uh, where is it you're at that's so hot this morning?

Baton Rouge, LA

730 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:38:55am

re: #722 galloping granny I don't think so - unless that's the one they made into a movie with William Dafoe playing a Special Forces type and Jack Ryan has to go bail him out personally from the jungle somewhere in Central America?! - why, don't tell me that #^$%@* Tom Clancy has stolen ANOTHER one of my ideas!

731 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:39:18am

re: #708 scottishbuzzsaw

hey {scottishbuzzsaw},
wish i could send you some cool breezes.

732 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:39:19am

re: #724 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning! How are you?

I already have dibs on the cooler weather, though...

Share? Please? Cooler and drier weather requested.

733 Iron Fist  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:39:19am

re: #716 realwest

Hey, man! I'm doing fine. How's the Tooth? Not too bad, I hope.

The eagle would be cool, but I'll settle for a pigeon. I'll also settle for rain. A good, hard soaking rain. Maybe it'll short out his teleprompter :-)

Say "Hi!" to your mom for me.

734 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:39:24am

re: #720 realwest

ROFL! OK, but I prefer my fantasy at #716!

And ya know, in Mile High Stadium, it's a possibility!

I like your fantasy better too.

I'll add to it, after this all happens Hillary rides over the stadium in her broom and writes something in the sky like from The Wizard of Oz


S U R R E N D E R . . B A R A C K

735 Sceptic Tank  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:40:17am

I would like to have Rudy in a key position in this necessary though nominal republican administration. I would have liked it better if Rudy had a chance to do for the country what was accomplished in NYC.

736 Killer Tomato  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:40:36am

This tomato isn't happy about the weather either - nights have been almost nippy!

Morning all

737 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:41:13am

re: #727 nyc redneck
Ah! Hey {nyc redneck} I've spent some of the most fun years of my life upstate - Kingston, Woodstock (waaay before the Rock Festival), Glenns Falls and Ithaca - were you anywhere near any of those places?

738 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:41:41am

re: #732 reine.de.tout

Share? Please? Cooler and drier weather requested.

Forgive my selfishness...you're much farther south and should have the cooler temps sent your way. It's only 70 here with a nice light rain!

How's the family?

739 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:41:43am

The DNC’s anti-Semitism

740 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:41:47am

I think his "above my paygrade" comment is going to turn out to be a game changer.

There is no higher pay grade than President of the United States.
I think that was also the first time a lot of people saw his ummm and uhhhs way of speaking without the teleprompter.

Believe it or not Democrat presidential nominee Barack Obama spent part of his Hawaiian vacation working on weaning himself from a heavy dependence on teleprompters.

snip-

Obama's troubles with unscripted moments contributed to his campaign's refusal to participate in town hall format debates or discussions with Sen. John McCain, who feels much more comfortable in the unscripted moments.
741 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:42:25am

re: #729 reine.de.tout
OY! Baton Rouge must be a steambath today! Y'all are welcome to come up to Charlotte if you'd like!

742 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:42:44am

re: #715 galloping granny

I hear you. All my early stuff for spring bolted from the week we had in mid May that was 99 and 100. And since it has been so rainy and so cold that the tomatoes are not ripening.

i'm going to give up on certain things like okra, egg plant, tomatoes, except for cherry toms. and i need a load of cow manure.

743 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:43:04am

re: #738 scottishbuzzsaw

Forgive my selfishness...

I knew you were a good one!

744 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:43:13am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. A highly awaited report on the collapse of 7WTC is due later today, and the tin foil brigade is foaming at the mouth to claim it's all part of an elaborate coverup. Then again, that's not all that different than their usual demeanor.

Meanwhile, a second report slams the FDNY, Buildings Department, contractors, and pretty much everyone in sight for the fire at the Deutsche Bank building that killed two firefighters. That building needs to be demolished before construction at the rest of Ground Zero can proceed in earnest - and the earliest that will happen looks like early 2009.

745 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:43:44am

re: #730 realwest

I don't think so - unless that's the one they made into a movie with William Dafoe playing a Special Forces type and Jack Ryan has to go bail him out personally from the jungle somewhere in Central America?! - why, don't tell me that #^$%@* Tom Clancy has stolen ANOTHER one of my ideas!

No, that is the one where

Clancy evolves from storyteller to novelist in his latest techno-thriller, as gadgets take second place to politics and personalities. In the late 1990s the world is cautiously emerging from the Cold War; even the Arab-Israeli conflict is being resolved, thanks to the cleverness of Clancy's hero Jack Ryan. But as confrontation yields to cooperation, what becomes of displaced terrorists? Palestinians without a cause and East Germans without a country seek to rekindle U.S.-U.S.S.R. animosity. A small nuclear device is exploded at the Super Bowl; in Berlin American and Russian troops are tricked into firing on each other; residual suspicions carry the action from there

That Super-bowl takes place at the stadium in Denver.

746 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:43:48am

re: #731 nyc redneck

hey {scottishbuzzsaw},
wish i could send you some cool breezes.

Hey there {nyc redneck}! Sorry about your garden!

747 Miss Trixie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:44:02am

&#9834 &#9836 Good norming, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another loverly, coolish, sinshiny day in the valley and it's my Firday. :D Yee-hawwwwwww!

re: #680 OldLineTexan

Damned Canadians, stealing our global warming.

/

I resemble that remark, young man. We also know that the big bad US of A have been stealing our water for decades now.

Shame. Shame on you.

/

:P

748 Killer Tomato  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:44:18am
Obama's troubles with unscripted moments contributed to his campaign's refusal to participate in town hall format debates or discussions with Sen. John McCain, who feels much more comfortable in the unscripted moments.


Well it's much easier to discuss your thoughts when you actually believe what you're articulating.

749 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:44:36am

re: #728 galloping granny Ah, were they making a big deal out of it - who's gonna read the convocation(s) they have every night?
Oh. Wait. This is the DEM convention, they don't do that!

750 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:44:50am

re: #737 realwest

far enough from woodstock to have a few good neighbors.
if you know what i mean. lol

751 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:44:56am

re: #743 reine.de.tout

I knew you were a good one!

Ditto! Nice to bump into you on a non-stressful thread!

752 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:46:06am

re: #744 lawhawk

Meanwhile, a second report slams the FDNY, Buildings Department, contractors, and pretty much everyone in sight for the fire at the Deutsche Bank building that killed two firefighters. That building needs to be demolished before construction at the rest of Ground Zero can proceed in earnest - and the earliest that will happen looks like early 2009.

What's that all about?

753 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:46:24am

re: #749 realwest

Ah, were they making a big deal out of it - who's gonna read the convocation(s) they have every night?
Oh. Wait. This is the DEM convention, they don't do that!

They have other religious representatives coming, just not the highest ranking Catholic in Colorado (and as I recall, that Archbishop is one of the highest ranking in the US).

754 Killer Tomato  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:46:33am

re: #742 nyc redneck

i need a load of cow manure.


Too bad you're not near Denver - I'm sure they'll have quite a bit of it.

755 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:46:57am

re: #747 Miss Trixie

We have also been converting polar bears to solar bears at a secret breeding facility in Baja California. It's disguised as a meth lab so that the Mexican government will ignore it.

One day, our solar bears will be released to ... er...well, something really, really bad!

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

756 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:46:57am

Report from Tbilisi by Michael J. Totten:

“The West saved the capital. They were moving to Tbilisi. There was one night that was very dangerous. The Russian tanks were very close to the capital. I don’t know what happened, but they moved the tanks back.” And my translator, whose husband works for Georgia’s ministry of foreign affairs, made a similar guess that the West helped save the capital. “The night they came close to Tbilisi,” she said, “Bush and McCain made their strongest speeches yet. The Russians seemed to back down. Bush and McCain have been very good for us.”

Funny they forgot to credit the Lightworker?

757 Miss Trixie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:47:20am

re: #730 realwest

I don't think so - unless that's the one they made into a movie with William Dafoe playing a Special Forces type and Jack Ryan has to go bail him out personally from the jungle somewhere in Central America?! - why, don't tell me that #^$%@* Tom Clancy has stolen ANOTHER one of my ideas!

Smartypants! LOLOL!

*smoochie* How are you today, darls?

758 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:47:28am

re: #745 galloping granny

That Super-bowl takes place at the stadium in Denver.

In the novel. IIRC, the movie moves the nuclear blast to Baltimore, and removes all ROP-ers from the plot.

759 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:47:31am
760 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:47:43am

re: #756 Kenneth

Report from Tbilisi by Michael J. Totten:


Funny they forgot to credit the Lightworker?


It's implied that he gets the credit and never needs to be mentioned

/

761 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:48:00am

re: #749 realwest

Ah, were they making a big deal out of it - who's gonna read the convocation(s) they have every night?
Oh. Wait. This is the DEM convention, they don't do that!

I bet they will have at least one that will be the most beautiful sound on Earth.

;)

762 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:48:15am

re: #755 OldLineTexan

We have also been converting polar bears to solar bears at a secret breeding facility in Baja California. It's disguised as a meth lab so that the Mexican government will ignore it.

One day, our solar bears will be released to ... er...well, something really, really bad!

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sounds like a novel in the making . . .
When will it be published?

763 soccerdad  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:49:00am

Yoohooo Zombie! We need special coverage of this 'protest'

Boobs On Bikes Gathering Approved

764 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:49:10am

re: #758 JamesTKirk

In the novel. IIRC, the movie moves the nuclear blast to Baltimore, and removes all ROP-ers from the plot.

I never watched the movie. Watching the movie and reading a book is a teaching tool I use with the kiddo though fairly often. It is very interesting to compare the two.

765 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:49:17am

re: #759 ploome hineni

sure hope not

Hi, Ploome

I agree -Jindal not the right choice at all. Maybe, maybe in a few years - not right now, he is still in learning mode.

766 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:50:30am

Now folks, this right here is my kind of Govenor...a hunter.

a fisherwoman.

and not too hard to look at.

Looks like a win, win, win as far as I'm concerned.

767 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:50:33am

re: #759 ploome hineni

sure hope not

Bobby Jindal has said unequivocally at least twice - including yesterday - that he intends to finish his governorship and will not accept the VP nod. He also articulated that he felt that he did not as yet have enough experience for the national stage on that level - a clear slap at Obama I thought.

768 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:50:33am

re: #765 reine.de.tout

Hi, Ploome

I agree -Jindal not the right choice at all. Maybe, maybe in a few years - not right now, he is still in learning mode.

But he is so dreamy and what a speaker he is......omg, I just channeled a koskid!

769 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:50:55am

re: #756 Kenneth

Report from Tbilisi by Michael J. Totten:

Funny they forgot to credit the Lightworker?

omg, frightening to think how much damage the lightworker would cause, either intentionally or because he is an idiot.

770 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:02am

re: #756 Kenneth

Report from Tbilisi by Michael J. Totten:

Funny they forgot to credit the Lightworker?

The Lightworker is a ZERO.

771 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:17am

re: #768 Typicalwhitey

But he is so dreamy and what a speaker he is......omg, I just channeled a koskid!

That's is the problem in a nutshell, actually. He always sounds really good . . . I am awaiting the proof (speaking as a resident of La. who voted for Jindal both times he ran for gov).

772 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:20am

re: #764 galloping granny

I never watched the movie. Watching the movie and reading a book is a teaching tool I use with the kiddo though fairly often. It is very interesting to compare the two.

I didn't watch the movie either, but I recall that as soon as Hollywood licensed the book, the ROP lobby came out in force to insist that they whitewash the villains because, of course, no true muslims would ever be involved in a terror attack on the USA.

This was all done before 9/11, but the movie actually hit the theaters after 9/11... So there was much commentary about the cowardly PC rewrite as compared to reality.

773 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:22am

re: #727 nyc redneck

Yeah, it was pretty chilly in Northern NJ the past two mornings... 50s. I think it was about 60 in nyc this AM. Not record lows, but definitely not normal either.

774 Miss Trixie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:41am

re: #755 OldLineTexan

We have also been converting polar bears to solar bears at a secret breeding facility in Baja California. It's disguised as a meth lab so that the Mexican government will ignore it.

One day, our solar bears will be released to ... er...well, something really, really bad!

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

**snicker** :D

775 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:51am

re: #773 lawhawk

Yeah, it was pretty chilly in Northern NJ the past two mornings... 50s. I think it was about 60 in nyc this AM. Not record lows, but definitely not normal either.

algore could not be reached for comment

776 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:58am
777 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:53:16am
778 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:53:18am

re: #752 reine.de.tout

The second report is one issued by the FDNY on the fire last year. It's like an after-action report detailing what happened. Time lines. Who was responsible. Areas of failure, etc.

779 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:54:06am

re: #764 galloping granny

I never watched the movie. Watching the movie and reading a book is a teaching tool I use with the kiddo though fairly often. It is very interesting to compare the two.

Ben Affeck pretty much phones in his performance.

780 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:54:07am

re: #740 Typicalwhitey
Good morning to ya! You know I watched that "debate" (instead of being on LGF cause Mom wanted to watch it and wanted me to watch it with her!) and I have to say I thought Obama did a credible job without teleprompters - very few "uh" and "ah" type moments and he came across as earnest and caring. Then he made that stupid "above my pay grade" comment (which was supposed to get a hollering stand up cheer from the Church's attendees, cause he meant "God" as the Higher Pay grade, even though it didn't come out that way). His practicing sure has paid off some and I fear we all misjudge how well the American Public would perceive Obama at debates. Sorta like Kennedy and Nixon - Nixon debated and according to TV's experts in those days, won the debate point by point, but JFK was speaking to the American People, not to Nixon and the polls showed astounding majorities thought Kennedy had whipped Nixon pretty good!

781 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:54:43am

re: #756 Kenneth

Totten's most important line is actually the one in which he paraphrases Kennan: Russia's neighbors are either viewed as vassals or enemies. There is nothing else.

782 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:54:51am
783 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:55:27am

re: #772 JamesTKirk

I didn't watch the movie either, but I recall that as soon as Hollywood licensed the book, the ROP lobby came out in force to insist that they whitewash the villains because, of course, no true muslims would ever be involved in a terror attack on the USA.

This was all done before 9/11, but the movie actually hit the theaters after 9/11... So there was much commentary about the cowardly PC rewrite as compared to reality.

Interesting. Clancy has sometimes appeared to me to be almost prescient in the things that he writes. The first thought that came to my mind when the Dems chose Denver was Sum of All Fears.

784 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:55:48am

WOW busy thread this early morning.

Morning all (-:

785 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:56:19am

Good morning Lizards. Rain, rain and did I mention rain? Hope everyone is well this morning.

786 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:56:37am

re: #782 ploome hineni

well

my little yorkie bitch is having knee surgery this morining

I will be taking contributions through pay pal, or you can send a cheque ot money order

OMG. That's expensive! Our dog had knee surgery both back legs; and one of our cats had to have a knee completely rebuilt when he got caught in something and twisted all the ligaments apart.

787 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:56:38am

re: #783 galloping granny

Interesting. Clancy has sometimes appeared to me to be almost prescient in the things that he writes. The first thought that came to my mind when the Dems chose Denver was Sum of All Fears.

Considering my proximity to Baltimore, I think I prefer Clancy's choice of Denver...

///

788 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:56:50am

re: #745 galloping granny OY!
Well, it was a novel - if one was gonna go off it'd be at the Repub convention - terrorists have nothing at all to fear from Obama and neither does the Soviet Union Russia!

789 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:56:54am

re: #784 Dustoff-507

WOW busy thread this early morning.

Morning all (-:

Morning Dust-off. How's things?

790 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:56:58am

re: #780 realwest


I watched it and I thought Obama was terrible.

791 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:57:08am

re: #762 reine.de.tout

Sounds like a novel in the making . . .
When will it be published?

It's going to be a series of children's books, so that I may poison the minds of our youth.

792 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:57:41am

re: #785 jorline


Ahh you live in Seattle I see. (-:

793 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:57:44am

re: #745 galloping granny

Clear and Present Danger - the action takes place in Central America.

The Sum of All Fears - nuke explodes during Super Bowl - US thinks the Russians started World War III because of turmoil in Russian govt and the heat plume looked like it was a megaton explosion.

In fact, turns out to be a fizzle - the bomb didn't work as it should have and that singular fact prevented mass carnage (with both the Iranians and Indian govt being involved).

794 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:57:57am

The democrats are going to allow John Kerry to speak.

BWAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA

795 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:58:09am

See y'all later. I'm off to peep through the windows of the intranet tubes.

796 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:58:14am

re: #747 Miss Trixie
Hey {Miss Trixie} Good morning to you and here's a *smootch* to make you forget about OLT's comment! LOL!

797 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:58:18am

re: #794 FrogMarch

The democrats are going to allow John Kerry to speak.

BWAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA

HALP US JOHN CAREY!

798 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:58:39am

re: #791 OldLineTexan

It's going to be a series of children's books, so that I may poison the minds of our youth.

LOL! Goody, I can't wait!

I loved the "poisonous" Harry Potter books, so much so that I had to buy two copies of each book, one for me, one for my daughter, so we wouldn't be fighting over who would read it first.

799 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:58:43am

re: #794 FrogMarch

The democrats are going to allow John Kerry to speak.

BWAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA

I wish his wife was speaking ( in many languages )

800 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:58:46am

re: #788 realwest

OY!
Well, it was a novel - if one was gonna go off it'd be at the Repub convention - terrorists have nothing at all to fear from Obama and neither does the Soviet Union Russia!

I'm not saying anyone is realwest. Just that since the day the dems chose Denver the first thought that entered my head was Sum of All Fears and when Obama chose the stadium for his coronation it made my skin crawl.

801 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:58:49am

re: #792 Dustoff-507

Ahh you live in Seattle I see. (-:

LOL...no, the TX coast....feel like I'm in Seattle though.

802 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:59:05am
803 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:59:08am

re: #789 galloping granny


Hmm like many 58 DEG's thei morning and rain?

where is that warming thing Al keeps talking about.

804 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:59:45am

re: #802 ploome hineni

yessum.

805 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:59:46am

re: #783 galloping granny

Interesting. Clancy has sometimes appeared to me to be almost prescient in the things that he writes. The first thought that came to my mind when the Dems chose Denver was Sum of All Fears.

Except of course any terrorist would be really dumb, even by terrorist standards, to do a WMD attack on the big barking moonbat convention in Denver.

806 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:59:58am

re: #801 jorline


Seems to be raining just about everywhere. wow

807 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:00:25am

re: #800 galloping granny

I'm not saying anyone is realwest. Just that since the day the dems chose Denver the first thought that entered my head was Sum of All Fears and when Obama chose the stadium for his coronation it made my skin crawl.

Don't worry; the only bright light we'll be seeing in Denver is Obama's halo.

We should make a pool and bet about how many "halo" photos of Obama will come out over the course of the convention...

808 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:00:26am

re: #806 Dustoff-507

Seems to be raining just about everywhere. wow

warm and sunny here in New Fallujah

809 Miss Trixie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:00:42am

re: #782 ploome hineni

well

my little yorkie bitch is having knee surgery this morining

I will be taking contributions through pay pal, or you can send a cheque ot money order

Sorry to hear that, ploome. Lil Miss and I went through that 3 years ago and as a result, my vet has a brand new yacht. :P

Seriously, hope all goes well. Is your vet using laser technology? It's REALLY impressive - no stitches, the wound is cauterized and healing is much faster.

{ploome's yorkie} {ploome}

810 Killer Tomato  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:00:52am

re: #806 Dustoff-507

Not here!
Bright beautiful sunshine!
(for a change)

811 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:14am

re: #764 galloping granny

I never watched the movie. Watching the movie and reading a book is a teaching tool I use with the kiddo though fairly often. It is very interesting to compare the two.

My kids hate it when I point out the movies that are really just Shakespeare's plays in disguise. The adaptations are another thing. One daughter liked Romeo + Juliet so much she commandeered the DVD and keeps it in her room. Since it's the actual play dialogue, it helped her understand the school work.

812 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:15am

re: #793 lawhawk

Clear and Present Danger - the action takes place in Central America.

The Sum of All Fears - nuke explodes during Super Bowl - US thinks the Russians started World War III because of turmoil in Russian govt and the heat plume looked like it was a megaton explosion.

In fact, turns out to be a fizzle - the bomb didn't work as it should have and that singular fact prevented mass carnage (with both the Iranians and Indian govt being involved).

Yup. I"ve read all of Clancy's stuff over the years, except the stuff he has done as a co-author (nowhere near as good). The only one that I did not like was Red Rabbit. The Jack Ryan of that book was so completely different from the way that Clancy has always presented him that I think it might very well have been ghostwritten.

813 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:16am

re: #808 shug


LOL

814 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:19am

re: #780 realwest

Good morning to ya! You know I watched that "debate" (instead of being on LGF cause Mom wanted to watch it and wanted me to watch it with her!) and I have to say I thought Obama did a credible job without teleprompters - very few "uh" and "ah" type moments and he came across as earnest and caring. Then he made that stupid "above my pay grade" comment (which was supposed to get a hollering stand up cheer from the Church's attendees, cause he meant "God" as the Higher Pay grade, even though it didn't come out that way). His practicing sure has paid off some and I fear we all misjudge how well the American Public would perceive Obama at debates. Sorta like Kennedy and Nixon - Nixon debated and according to TV's experts in those days, won the debate point by point, but JFK was speaking to the American People, not to Nixon and the polls showed astounding majorities thought Kennedy had whipped Nixon pretty good!


Well I had a different take on it.
I thought he was terrible with the uh and ums.
It is almost painful to watch someone speak for an hour with their head tilted at such an odd angle.
His answers were so long that I wasn't sure if he answered the questions or not.
He looked down way too much and appeared to be hemming and hawing which to most people signals weakness or dishonesty.

It is not so much what he said, althought the pay grade thing will haunt him imo, it is how he said it and how he presented himself while saying it.

The guy has lost his mojo imo.
I don't think he is used to being challenged and he doesn't know how to deal with it.

815 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:22am

re: #788 realwest

OY!
Well, it was a novel - if one was gonna go off it'd be at the Repub convention - terrorists have nothing at all to fear from Obama and neither does the Soviet Union Russia!

Unfortunately, I now have the reasonable expectation of being in the Twin Cities during the RNC.

816 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:35am

re: #739 reine.de.tout

The DNC’s anti-Semitism


Every Bush hating liberal I talk to has no problem saying snide things about "The Jews".

817 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:50am

re: #810 Killer Tomato


HEY that's not right.... I'm calling AL right now. (-:

818 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:02:17am
819 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:02:38am
820 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:02:54am

re: #807 JamesTKirk

Don't worry; the only bright light we'll be seeing in Denver is Obama's halo.

We should make a pool and bet about how many "halo" photos of Obama will come out over the course of the convention...

I've got to find some of posteers of Mao, Che and Stalin that are so similar to Obama's for teaching purposes, since we are going to be looking at modern times this year.

821 Killer Tomato  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:02:55am

re: #817 Dustoff-507

HEY that's not right.... I'm calling AL right now. (-:

Tattle-tale
:-p

822 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:03:10am

re: #807 JamesTKirk

Don't worry; the only bright light we'll be seeing in Denver is Obama's halo.

We should make a pool and bet about how many "halo" photos of Obama will come out over the course of the convention...

The halo is a ZERO.

823 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:03:25am

re: #805 The Other Les

Except of course any terrorist would be really dumb, even by terrorist standards, to do a WMD attack on the big barking moonbat convention in Denver.

(1) Due to undisclosed health problems, Bill is admitted to a NYC hospital, and the Clinton family cancels their appearance at the DemCon.
(2) Denver suffers WMD attack.
(3) Moonbats and media blame GOP/Bush/McCain.
(4) President Hillary.

There's your next novel. Good luck writing and publishing it before the convention occurs.

824 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:03:26am

re: #816 FrogMarch


And yet, the jews still support the dem's?

Just don't get it

825 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:03:42am
826 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:03:54am

re: #756 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth, has the Lightworker said anything at all since his second speech correcting his first speech about the Russian/Georgian situation?

827 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:04:11am

re: #798 reine.de.tout

LOL! Goody, I can't wait!

I loved the "poisonous" Harry Potter books, so much so that I had to buy two copies of each book, one for me, one for my daughter, so we wouldn't be fighting over who would read it first.

My eleven year old daughter and I have had to have the last three on release day. For the last two, we each get the book for a chapter at a time. We are also pretty bad about watching the movies over and over.

828 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:04:13am

re: #821 Killer Tomato


LOL, yep I sure am.

829 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:04:17am

re: #806 Dustoff-507

Seems to be raining just about everywhere. wow

I don't hear the Global Warming nutcases talking about this.

Global temperatures vary annually according to natural cycles. For example, they are driven by shifting ocean currents, and dips do not undermine the case that man-made greenhouse gas emissions are causing long-term global warming, climate scientists say.

//The Weather Channel wipe egg off their face.

830 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:04:27am

re: #781 lawhawk

Totten's Russia's neighbors are either viewed as vassals or enemies.

So true. Paranoia as state policy.

#769 nyc redneck

omg, frightening to think how much damage the lightworker would cause, either intentionally or because he is an idiot.

President Obama, the Narcissist, meets Czar Vlad the Paranoid and the Evil Ayatollah Khamenei.

831 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:04:31am

re: #811 OldLineTexan

My kids hate it when I point out the movies that are really just Shakespeare's plays in disguise. The adaptations are another thing. One daughter liked Romeo + Juliet so much she commandeered the DVD and keeps it in her room. Since it's the actual play dialogue, it helped her understand the school work.

I have used Leonardo di Caprio's version of Romeo & Juliet several times for teaching purposes. I've heard complaints about the acting from adults, but he really hits the nail on the head when it comes to showing teens what is going on in Shakespeare in terms that they understand.

832 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:04:49am

OK Realwest..... get moving and clean. (-:

833 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:04:56am

re: #802 ploome hineni

check yer mail

check yours

834 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:05:04am
835 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:05:46am

re: #812 galloping granny

I pretty much stopped reading his stuff after Bear and the Dragon. I was in the process of developing a novel dealing with terrorism and a mass casualty attack, but dropped it after 9/11. It really hit way too close to home. I might get around to restarting it, but I wanted to get a fresh take, instead of possibly cribbing ideas from Clancy's earlier works.

Also, got to meet him (well have him sign Bear and Dragon). He was a pompous guy in person - refused any small talk during signings...

836 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:05:59am

re: #829 jorline


I'll get a BIG towel.

837 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:04am

re: #793 lawhawk

Clear and Present Danger - the action takes place in Central South America.

(Colombia)

Good morning.

838 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:12am

re: #824 Dustoff-507

And yet, the jews still support the dem's?

Just don't get it

"The Jews" have ears too. They will start to figure it out eventually. I hope. Maybe after Barry sips tea with Dinnerjacket and the chinless wonder.

839 shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:12am

We just purchased this and had it wall mounted. Coolest thing I've ever owned. Worth all 120,000 pennies

anyway, we have about 500 photos already downloaded on the slide show. flickr is our best friend for this purpose

Lots of Obama messiah stuff. It's cool to see it on your wall for 60 seconds for the laugh factor.

840 Killer Tomato  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:16am

ploome hineni
Best wishes for your little one.

------
Does anyone other than me think that this 'delayed adolescence' thing has caused a big bunch of the problems we have today? There are card carrying AARP members who continue to act like they're in college for cripesakes.

841 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:19am

re: #827 OldLineTexan

My eleven year old daughter and I have had to have the last three on release day. For the last two, we each get the book for a chapter at a time. We are also pretty bad about watching the movies over and over.

We got the last three on release day, and within 24 hours we had both finished reading it. There was some skirmishing over who got it first and taking turns, however...

842 Iron Fist  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:31am

re: #814 Typicalwhitey

There's a word for what you describe: inexperienced. That's Obama's real problem, and it really shows when you get him off teleprompter. It also showed in his reaction to Russia's aggression in Georgia. It took him two or three days (and two or three positions) to basically say Bush was handling the problem correctly.

843 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:37am

re: #816 FrogMarch

Every Bush hating liberal I talk to has no problem saying snide things about "The Jews".

You Know, the first time I said online that the Democrats were National Socialists without the Aryan frills I was called an ignorant boob.

He had to be a socialist.

844 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:37am

re: #766 razorbacker
IF only she was better known and came from a state with a lot more electoral votes! Seriously, I had never heard of her until someone out here mentioned her as a veep possibility.

845 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:42am

re: #833 reine.de.tout

check yours

{reine}

Hope you're feeling better, I wasn't around yesterday.

846 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:55am

re: #816 FrogMarch

Every Bush hating liberal I talk to has no problem saying snide things about "The Jews".

Yes. I do not for the life of me understand this. We're all just . . . people.

847 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:59am

The DNC’s anti-Semitism

How many times can the DNC mention that Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) is a Jew? In their pre-emptive attack website on every potential candidate for John McCain’s running mate, they manage to work it into their text five times in six paragraphs.

848 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:07:20am

re: #840 Killer Tomato

ploome hineni
Best wishes for your little one.

------
Does anyone other than me think that this 'delayed adolescence' thing has caused a big bunch of the problems we have today? There are card carrying AARP members who continue to act like they're in college for cripesakes.

Yes.

849 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:07:24am

re: #811 OldLineTexan

My kids hate it when I point out the movies that are really just Shakespeare's plays in disguise. The adaptations are another thing. One daughter liked Romeo + Juliet so much she commandeered the DVD and keeps it in her room. Since it's the actual play dialogue, it helped her understand the school work.

Little Reject didn't believe that until I had her read "Romeo and Juliet" and then watch "West Side Story". Now she sees Shakespeare being ripped off all over the place!

Good Morning OLT and Everybody!

850 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:07:46am

Golly. It's almost like Obama will say whatever is convenient according to the audience.

Sen. Barack Obama, edging away from a long-held position, tacitly acknowledged the success of the Iraq troop-surge strategy during an appearance Tuesday before the country's largest organization of combat veterans.

"Let's be clear, our troops have completed every mission they've been given," Mr. Obama said at the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Orlando, Fla., where the likely Democratic presidential nominee courted military voters who are expected to play a pivotal role in several swing states. "They have created the space for political reconciliation."

It was the closest Mr. Obama - who has long opposed the surge - has come to agreeing with President Bush or likely Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain on the Iraq strategy.

*sniff. I love the smell of hopeychangeyness in the morning.*

851 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:07:46am

re: #843 The Other Les

You Know, the first time I said online that the Democrats were National Socialists without the Aryan frills I was called an ignorant boob.

He had to be a socialist.

That's an insult to boobs.

852 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:07:52am

re: #823 JamesTKirk

(1) Due to undisclosed health problems, Bill is admitted to a NYC hospital, and the Clinton family cancels their appearance at the DemCon.
(2) Denver suffers WMD attack.
(3) Moonbats and media blame GOP/Bush/McCain.
(4) President Hillary.

There's your next novel. Good luck writing and publishing it before the convention occurs.

I'll pass.

853 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:07:55am

re: #825 ploome hineni

surprise!

Yet another constituently the Dems take for granted, use and throw away.

854 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:08:08am

Unt gut effen morgan.

855 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:08:12am

re: #835 lawhawk

I pretty much stopped reading his stuff after Bear and the Dragon. I was in the process of developing a novel dealing with terrorism and a mass casualty attack, but dropped it after 9/11. It really hit way too close to home. I might get around to restarting it, but I wanted to get a fresh take, instead of possibly cribbing ideas from Clancy's earlier works.

Also, got to meet him (well have him sign Bear and Dragon). He was a pompous guy in person - refused any small talk during signings...

That's too bad. You would think that after all these years he would want to preserve his fan base. Or maybe he just figures that it is so large now that the few he'll lose by being rude are of no importance.

856 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:08:20am

re: #834 ploome hineni


I don't get it? The funny part I'm half German.... and think the world of jews. (-:

Confused child I guess. LOL

857 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:08:36am

re: #820 galloping granny

I've got to find some of posteers of Mao, Che and Stalin that are so similar to Obama's for teaching purposes, since we are going to be looking at modern times this year.

What period is "modern", now?

858 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:01am

re: #818 ploome hineni

I really do not know what he is using

she ruptured her cruciate ligament and she has patellar luxation

Your Yorkie will be just fine! Hopefully she has not been in pain from the date of the injury 'til date of surgery.

859 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:06am

re: #838 FrogMarch


I sure hope so.

860 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:06am

re: #839 shug

We just purchased this and had it wall mounted. Coolest thing I've ever owned. Worth all 120,000 pennies

anyway, we have about 500 photos already downloaded on the slide show. flickr is our best friend for this purpose

Lots of Obama messiah stuff. It's cool to see it on your wall for 60 seconds for the laugh factor.

Very cool!

861 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:08am

re: #784 Dustoff-507
Good morning my friend - how are you doing today?

862 Dizzy26  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:42am

G' morning All

Ot

Damn but it really grates my ears and senses when I hear a 'Star'? make up his own 'melody?' for the STAR SPANGLED BANNER!.

I'm watching the athletes play their hearts out, my own swelling with pride, and this be-speckled moron 'misician' belt out his own version and I want to throw my cookies at him! up

Sorry for the tantrum

excuse the interruption please

863 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:10:10am

re: #831 galloping granny

I have used Leonardo di Caprio's version of Romeo & Juliet several times for teaching purposes. I've heard complaints about the acting from adults, but he really hits the nail on the head when it comes to showing teens what is going on in Shakespeare in terms that they understand.

I think it is an excellent movie, and I also liked the engraving on the firearms.

/typical bitter white person, LOL

864 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:10:11am