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Another Troofer Hallucination Bites the Dust

Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:19:47 pm PDT

There is no joy in Trooferville tonight: Feds: Fires took down building next to twin towers.

GAITHERSBURG, Md. (AP) - Federal investigators said Thursday they have solved a mystery of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks: the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, a source of long-running conspiracy theories.

The 47-story trapezoid-shaped building sat north of the World Trade Center towers, across Vesey Street in lower Manhattan. On Sept. 11, it was set on fire by falling debris from the burning towers, but skeptics have long argued that fire and debris alone should not have brought down such a big steel-and-concrete structure.

Scientists with the National Institute of Standards and Technology say their three-year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of WTC 7 was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper. “The reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” said Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the NIST team.

Investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.

This won’t stop the march toward Troof, of course, because these so-called scientists are obviously in on the plot.

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1 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:20:54pm

"Yeah, maybe, but Karl Rove set the fires!"

/troofer madness

2 looking closely  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:21:05pm

/Didn't anyone tell these rocket scientists at the NIST that fire can't melt steel?

3 bellamags  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:21:05pm

Obviously.

4 jemima  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:21:35pm

Where'd this report come from? The government! They're lying. Fire doesn't melt chocolate!

/you can't convince a moonbat when their whole lives depends on the fiction

5 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:21:47pm
6 Sizzlack  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:22:15pm

A 3 year study? Simply not good enough.

We have "other" evidence....and it isn't shaped like a bong!

/ Troofer out

7 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:22:44pm

I'll bet they didn't perform the rabbit cage test. That's the real test.

/

8 code red 21  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:22:58pm

Just remember everybody steel can't melt...just ask Rosie O.
/

9 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:23:21pm

re: #8 code red 21

Just remember everybody steel can't melt...just ask Rosie O.
/

No, but her farts can.

/yuck

10 bosforus  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:23:27pm

I thought we already solved this mystery with chicken wire.

11 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:23:40pm
Scientists with the National Institute of Standards and Technology say their three-year investigation of the collapse

Yeah, sure, but did they use chicken wire?

12 code red 21  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:24:08pm

re: #9 Ward Cleaver


eew as I hold my nose.

13 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:24:30pm

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Yeah, sure, but did they use chicken wire?

No, they don't have the guts to do that!

/who said that?

14 Shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:24:32pm

The only thing that comes down like a controlled demolition is a troofer argument

15 jcm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:24:50pm

Federal investigators
National Institute of Standards and Technology

Who ya' gonna' believe?

/troof!

16 opnion  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:25:38pm

OK, I can buy into this , but it was still OJ behind the grassy knoll.

17 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:26:37pm

Oh, yeah. Like this will shut up the likes of Rosie and Willie Nelson.

18 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:26:52pm

Dammit, how come they keep coming out with these studies refuting the obvious conclusions that the Bush/Cheney/Rove/Halliburton conspiracy knocked those towers down if they didn't have something to hide?

/ Damn, troofer channeling is harder than it looks.

19 bellamags  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:27:01pm

IMHO
Huge metal airplanes crashed INTO the buildings. The plane itself and jet fuel might have created a huge twisted ball of super heated materials that probably melted through the center of the towers and thats why they fell straight down and collapsed from the inside. The planes did not disintegrate upon impact. They were like bullets but they didn't come out the other side.

20 jcm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:27:32pm

re: #16 opnion

OK, I can buy into this , but it was still OJ behind the grassy knoll.

We're losing one! Another on chemtrail run on opnion's coordinates!

21 CapeCoddah  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:27:42pm

re: #16 opnion
No, No, it was a white man in a black coat, not a black man in a white coat on the grassy knoll!

22 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:28:02pm

re: #17 calcajun

Oh, yeah. Like this will shut up the likes of Rosie and Willie Nelson.

Willie's not really a troofer, the IRS brain implant is acting up.

23 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:28:36pm

Isn't this an AP story? Has the ban been lifted?

24 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:28:38pm

Actually pretty impressive. Without water in the lower half of the building, WTC 7 would've burned uncontrollably from the inside out until all the columns supporting the upper floors were significantly weakened. Then it would've just collapsed under its own weight.

Maybe what we've learned from this can aid in the future design of other buildings similar to WTC 7.

25 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:28:53pm

re: #17 calcajun

Oh, yeah. Like this will shut up the likes of Rosie and Willie Nelson.

Willie Nelson?

26 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:29:11pm

Why is the government being so defensive? I think they're just covering up with yet another layer of BS!

/ (just in case)

27 str8outtamonongahela  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:29:12pm

the moonies will come up with something, truth doesnt matter.

28 johnnyreb  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:29:22pm

“The reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” said Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the NIST team."

Uh guys? It was never a mystery to normal rational adults OK?

29 Random63  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:29:45pm

I was enrolled in a Materials and Processes class at the time of the attacks. This is a class that deals with steel, annealing, how different materials react under different conditions and stresses, etc.

When classes resumed after 9/11, we did an entire class session on why the WTC towers collapsed. We came to the same conclusion that the official reports came to a year or two later. The high temperatures of the fire caused the interior supports of the building to give way. Estimated interior temps were above 3,000 degrees. That's a little more than strongest sections of the thermal protection system of the space shuttle can withstand.

One small footnote, my instructor ended up being one of the lead investigators on the Columbia Tragedy.

30 jcm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:29:46pm

re: #19 bellamags

IMHO
Huge metal airplanes crashed INTO the buildings. The plane itself and jet fuel might have created a huge twisted ball of super heated materials that probably melted through the center of the towers and thats why they fell straight down and collapsed from the inside. The planes did not disintegrate upon impact. They were like bullets but they didn't come out the other side.

Purdue creates scientifically based animation of 9/11 attack

Link to video of re-creation.

The scientific simulation, the completion of which was announced last September, required several test runs before the researchers were satisfied; the final test run required more than 80 hours of high-performance computing. The simulation depicts how a plane tore through several stories of the World Trade Center north tower within a half-second and found that the weight of the fuel acted like a flash flood of flaming liquid, knocking out essential structural columns within the building and removing fireproofing insulation from other support structures. The simulation used lines and dots to show the aircraft and building during the event.
31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:29:49pm
32 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:29:59pm

re: #25 MandyManners

Yeah. He came out recently with his "controlled explosion" observations and his doubts about what "really" happened.

33 jcm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:31:02pm

re: #28 johnnyreb

“The reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” said Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the NIST team."

Uh guys? It was never a mystery to normal rational adults OK?

I believe he is referring to the specific detailed sequence of events. What was damaged and what failed in what sequence.

34 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:31:05pm

re: #19 bellamags

That's what happened to WTC 1 and WTC 2 (the towers). When the steel was significantly weakened, they pancaked down to the ground. The collaspe of the two towers apparently broke the water mains for the sprinkler system inside WTC 7 according to the article. No sprinklers; fire out of control on the lower floors.

35 maddogg  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:31:42pm

I'll bet they didn't build a single model of those buildings with chicken wire, so how can they call it a valid analysis?

36 bellamags  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:31:44pm

I heard that the dude who played president Palmer on 24 is a troofer. Disappointing.

BTW - tropical storm Fay is kicking our ass right now. the creek near our house is roaring.

37 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:31:45pm

Oh sure, the Federal investigators solved the mystery, the very people responsible for 9/11. And then it's reported in the coporate controlled media and we're supposed to believe it?

Are you crazy?

/...Twoofer off

38 Reno911  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:31:45pm

Dear Reality,

I can't hear you because I am deaf and dumb.

Signed,
Random Troofer

39 johnnyreb  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:32:07pm

re: #33 jcm

Oh OK. I either read that wrong, or it was written poorly.

40 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:32:12pm

re: #28 johnnyreb

“The reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” said Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the NIST team."

Uh guys? It was never a mystery to normal rational adults OK?

I get your point, but it seems that if, as the article indicates, that was the first skyscraper to collapse from fire, I can see why there might have been questions as to how it happened.

The explanation seems rational enough......roughly the same as for the two towers.

41 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:32:26pm

Facts are irrelevant to conspiracy theorists. They will continue to bitterly cling to their troof and copies of Loose Change.

42 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:32:31pm

re: #32 calcajun

Yeah. He came out recently with his "controlled explosion" observations and his doubts about what "really" happened.

He needs to shut up and sing.

43 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:32:58pm

I'm a little suprised that the article refers to the investigators as scientists. Usually such investigators are engineers.

44 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:33:32pm

My theory? The socks that go missing from your dryer are actually stolen by Rovian operatives, then sent to a clandestine boot camp in Scotland where they are trained in the nefarious art of musical parody, all for the purpose of distracting the people of the world's nations from the One World agenda.

BIG LAUNDRY IS SELLING US OUT!

45 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:34:44pm

re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth

My theory is it's the washer, and the dryer is the scapegoat.

46 MadJadBad  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:34:51pm
Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the NIST team, insisted the science behind their findings is "incredibly conclusive."

Mike Berger of the group 9/11 Truth said "We're being lied to."


Does this surprise anyone?

47 Shug  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:35:07pm

The Federal government can't even deliver a functioning FEMA trailor, how are they going to rig 3 skyscrapers with explosives after dark, then re-do the drywall in the morning so nobody notices

***hits bong***


Oh, wait. It all makes sense now

48 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:35:16pm

I am glad that there are activist Troofers, because I like knowing where all the really determined dumb people are. Keep my eye on 'em that way.

49 loflyer  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:35:21pm

But Rosie just told us fire does not melt steel. Silly government scientists! /Trix is for kids!

50 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:35:55pm

re: #42 MandyManners

Agreed.

Opinions are like assholes--everyone's got one and not everyone wants to know about them.

51 Basho  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:36:46pm

Someone who was in on the 9-11 conspiracy speaks out!

[Link: www.meanestbear.com...]

52 johnnyreb  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:36:50pm

Didn't Buddha tell us that everything is just an illusion in your mind?

53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:37:35pm

This report can mean only one thing.

ChimpyMcHitler was able to buy off the investigators!

54 MadJadBad  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:37:46pm

re: #43 Honorary Yooper

I'm a little suprised that the article refers to the investigators as scientists. Usually such investigators are engineers.


The folks who work at NIST like to be refered to as scientists. It's more prestigious.

55 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:37:59pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

That's exactly what they want you to think. Sheesh, open your eyes! Don't be a sheep your whole life!

/s

56 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:38:04pm

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

There once was a fellow named Rufe
Committed to Nine One One Troof
His belief he retired
When he learned of the fires--
He'd not thought of debris on the roof.


I'm beginning to think you are a national treasure!
Keep it comin Buzz!

57 jcm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:38:09pm

re: #52 johnnyreb

Didn't Buddha tell us that everything is just an illusion in your mind?

I think! Therefore I.... ahhh... ummm.... ur. CHANGE!

58 bellamags  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:38:23pm

re: #30 jcm

sweet. however, it wasn't quite thorough enough.
/

59 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:38:54pm

re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth

My theory? The socks that go missing from your dryer are actually stolen by Rovian operatives, then sent to a clandestine boot camp in Scotland where they are trained in the nefarious art of musical parody, all for the purpose of distracting the people of the world's nations from the One World agenda.

BIG LAUNDRY IS SELLING US OUT!

What do they do with the lint?

60 rlevitin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:39:10pm

re: #51 Basho

Someone who was in on the 9-11 conspiracy speaks out!

[Link: www.meanestbear.com...]

Brilliant link... I love it!

61 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:40:03pm

We need to get a second opinion from noted structural engienieering expert Rosie O'Donnel.

62 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:40:17pm

re: #52 johnnyreb

Didn't Buddha tell us that everything is just an illusion in your mind?

Except the troof is out there, man. They just want you to capitulate to their imperial mental hegemony. Pass the bong.

63 perdiem  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:40:35pm

His troof goes marching on.
/obama-lama-ding-dong

64 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:41:15pm
Investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.

Oh yeah, right. A drought caused the building to collapse?

///truffer

65 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:41:54pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

Ignore the vortex creating capability of the washer agitator at your own peril.

66 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:42:36pm

re: #43 Honorary Yooper

I'm a little suprised that the article refers to the investigators as scientists. Usually such investigators are engineers.

I'm not. The people who deal with whether or not steal burns, tensile strenghth and all that jazz are usually chemists.

67 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:42:54pm

re: #59 MandyManners

What do they do with the lint?

They teleport it into pockets and bellybuttons.

68 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:43:10pm

re: #59 MandyManners

The lint? That stays in your dryer, and I'll tell you why. The lint acts as a homing device. The greater the deposits of lint in your dryer, the greater number of potential socks there are for them to steal.

But we have to dig deeper...Why is it that only the right footed socks are stolen? I think the answer is obvious to all who aren't sleeping through life.

/s

69 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:43:43pm

re: #67 Kosh's Shadow

They teleport it into pockets and bellybuttons.

So that's where it comes from!

70 Angus Day  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:44:16pm

Mystery? What mystery?

Islamic, life-hating scum flew jetliners into two very tall, very heavy buildings. There is an enormous record of film and video of these events, as well as records of the actual scum talking to ATC.

Where's the mystery?

71 maddogg  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:44:28pm

When I think of Troofers, I think of Honda commercials. What does it say about their customers that they have such gay commercials? I mean really, the one where the cute little family in the Honda fake SUV answering fairy tail troll questions before crossing the bridge. That is what sells Honda cars? And those silly assed Ridgeline (Honda's fake pickup truck) ads sell to truck guys? Check out Toyota truck commercials, now they have some idea of how truck guys think.

/Hondacar commercials, a sympton of what is wrong with this country.

72 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:45:04pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

The lint? That stays in your dryer, and I'll tell you why. The lint acts as a homing device. The greater the deposits of lint in your dryer, the greater number of potential socks there are for them to steal.

But we have to dig deeper...Why is it that only the right footed socks are stolen? I think the answer is obvious to all who aren't sleeping through life.

/s

Right-footed socks? You mean I've been doing it wrong all these years?

73 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:45:07pm

I really wish I could have been in on the conspiracy. Those 10,000 people must be raking in the bucks.

Rove:

Okay, here's the plan boys.
1st, we hire 400 plumbers to turn off the water mains in Manhattan

2nd, we hire 300 demolition experts to blow up the two big towers in Manhattan. WTC 1 and WTC 2. Thats them in the picture.

3rd, we hire 50 demolition experts to blow a hole in the pentagon.

4th we find a farmer who will let us dig a furrow in his field.

5th we hire some crazy guys to take flight lessons in florida

6th we hire 500 people to make phone calls to various numbers telling their relatives that they are being hijacked. After this is over we will have to take those 500 people to a secluded island so their relatives really believe they are deceased.

7th we move some of the demolition experts to WTC 7 because we want that to be blown up too. We have too much secret stuff there to let it fall into enemy hands. Things that cant be shredded or destroyed any other way.

8th we hire filmography crews from some Israeli religious school and plant them with all the major news outlets so they will fake photos of planes crashing and we can pass them around the world.

9th we hire investigators who are willing to lie for the sake of lying.

10th we hold one hostage from the families of every one who works or has ever worked for Popular Mechanics so that when people say that we did this we have a lever in getting Popular Mechanics to refute them.

11th we try to prove that fire can sometimes melt steel.

That was just the initial planning stage.

74 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:45:20pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

and than someone steals the lint and sticks it into our navels! sneaky bastids

75 Angus Day  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:46:07pm

re: #71 maddogg

When I think of Troofers, I think of Honda commercials.

When I think of troofers, I almost cry that anyone could lack such basic comprehension skills

76 jcm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:46:45pm

re: #73 Eowyn2

I really wish I could have been in on the conspiracy. Those 10,000 people must be raking in the bucks.

Rove:

That was just the initial planning stage.

Boys, she's on to us, who squealed?
/

77 UFO TOFU  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:47:17pm

re:#51 Basho
"Now, as you might realize, lizards aren't nearly photogenic enough to actually occupy any public leadership positions."
That explains a lot.
Funny link!

78 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:47:32pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

I've noticed that, since we got a front-loading washer, we haven't lost a single sock.

79 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:48:04pm

re: #65 Sharmuta

Ignore the vortex creating capability of the washer agitator at your own peril.

You give it away in that very sentence: agitator.

It is you who are using the washer as a false flag to agitate resistance against those of us who see the troof about the dryer. You're just a tool of Big Laundry. I will be exposing all of your evil depredations against the free people of the world in my upcoming documentary: Unraveled Threads!

/s

80 Spiritualized  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:48:25pm

The BBC (yep!) covered this a couple of months back, they featured lesser-seen footage showing the raging inferno from multiple sides. As well as new interviews from the firemen who were there on the day.

81 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:48:31pm

re: #29 Random63

I was enrolled in a Materials and Processes class at the time of the attacks. This is a class that deals with steel, annealing, how different materials react under different conditions and stresses, etc.

When classes resumed after 9/11, we did an entire class session on why the WTC towers collapsed. We came to the same conclusion that the official reports came to a year or two later. The high temperatures of the fire caused the interior supports of the building to give way. Estimated interior temps were above 3,000 degrees. That's a little more than strongest sections of the thermal protection system of the space shuttle can withstand.

One small footnote, my instructor ended up being one of the lead investigators on the Columbia Tragedy.

did you use chicken wire?
it's not valid if all you did were the mathematics and physics

82 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:49:20pm

re: #25 MandyManners

Willie Nelson?

He's a big supporter of Kookcinich.

83 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:50:09pm

re: #79 Slumbering Behemoth

The dryer is a patsy, man! I think you're just a dryerphobe.

84 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:52:00pm

re: #72 MandyManners

Socks are born as a pair, left and right. It does not matter which foot you put them on, or whether or not you can tell the difference. They can tell the difference, of this I am certain.

85 WayDownSouthInBama  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:52:16pm

So it was the Rovian Sprinkler System De-activator? What an evil genius that Rove.

86 Angus Day  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:52:18pm

Maybe I'm just in a bit of a contemplative mood about these things these days, but I have trouble laughing at these fools.

All that I can see is how they (the troofers that is) are, almost literally dancing on the graves of all of those poor people who died, pissing on their memory, and all because they cannot understand the motives of the jihadist scum.

87 kuffar  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:54:22pm

How much would it cost to recreat the event full scale?

88 kyleb  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:55:59pm

Troofer Jiu-Jitsu
Want to mess with them? Pretend you're the most zealous troofer, but then throw in "Bush flew the plane!". Make up your own indisputable evidence and force them to debunk your crackpot theory for once. It's amazing how many you can get to agree with you, while the rest go nuts. Well, more nuts.

89 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:57:19pm

re: #74 willowone

Exactly! You are someone with eyes to see, and the bravery to speak Troof to Powder!

With the lint secretly placed in your navel, they are able to track your every move. This is how they get in and out of your house with your socks, without you knowing.

90 anand  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:57:59pm

Sunder, the word in bold, means beautiful in some indian languages :D

91 Random63  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 2:58:21pm

re: #81 Eowyn2

did you use chicken wire?
it's not valid if all you did were the mathematics and physics


Damn...I knew we forgot something...forgive us...we were just only students and our instructor was only a professional. I can't believe we forgot the chicken wire! Doh!

92 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:01:23pm

re: #83 Sharmuta

I can see now that you are just a plant sent to sow misinformation into those of us that can see right through this conspiracy. Seriously, how much more proof do you need to see that I am onto you?

/I just like linking that vid, because it's funny as hell

93 mistergs  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:01:29pm

If the study revealed that Rove brought down the building through the use of robotic steel eating termites wearing tiny pork rind burkas, Troofers would have no problem buying it. They need a bad guy in this administration then they will believe whatever comes with it.

94 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:06:35pm

re: #78 Dianna

I've noticed that, since we got a front-loading washer, we haven't lost a single sock.

SEE?! It's the washer, man.

95 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:08:49pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

re: #78 Dianna

I've noticed that, since we got a front-loading washer, we haven't lost a single sock.

SEE?! It's the washer, man.

All I see are a couple of Big Laundry insiders working together. You can't fool me!

/s

96 Confuzed  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:10:17pm

If 9/11 were a conspiracy, then which of the following is true?
a. George Bush planned 9/11 when he was still governor of Texas.
b. Bill Clinton planned 9/11 when he was president of US.

In Afghanistan on January 18, 2000 (when Clinton was still President and
one year before Bush became President), a videotaped last will and testament was made by by Mohammed Atta (WTC pilot) and Ziad Jarrah (Flight 93 PA crash) pilot.
NBC video here.

Bill Clinton passed on Sudan's two offers to arrest Bin Laden in 1996.
Hear Bill Clinton explain why he refused here.

Bin Laden admitted ordering and planning 9/11.
If 9/11 were a conspiracy, why wouldn't UBL ruin the president by saying he (UBL) had nothing to do with 9/11?

97 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:11:26pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

Yes, but it's the dryer--not the washer!

98 kuffar  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:14:28pm

McCain did it...

I still say it was Ayers and Obama, with Reverend Wrong and George Soros involved somewhere.

99 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:18:35pm

re: #97 calcajun

The washer wants you to think it's the dryer.

100 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:20:40pm

Skipped over the thread on the amorphous gas bag so if there is anything new about the Obama campaign please let me know.

101 profitsbeard  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:21:08pm

Building 7 is actually being hidden in Perth Amboy, disguised as a very large arborvitae thanks to top secret NSA cloaking technology.

All to hide the fact that it was full of embarrasing FBI files on library card usage by progressives in Seattle.

And that the roof was composed of unrecycled plastic grocery bags.

The Troof is on the roof!

102 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:22:00pm

re: #97 calcajun

Don't worry, friend, once my documentary is finished everyone will see the troof. Once they see my experiment with an Easy Bake Oven spinning on a Lazy Susan (to simulate a dryer, of course!), there will be no denying the conspiracy.

/s

103 NR Pax  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:23:49pm

And now, queue Truthers asserting that NIST is in the pocket of someone behind the conspiracy in 3...2...

(Obviously, it will be the same group that paid off Popular Mechanics since they were in on the plot as well)

104 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:26:08pm

re: #99 Sharmuta

Them front loaders are tricky that way.

105 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:26:48pm

Two weeks before 9-11 I went as part of the Red Cross to the OEM situation room on the 23rd floor if I recall at 7 World Trade for a Hurricane briefing and to get the dog and pony show brief on what a great facility it was. Also they had a nice salad bar. Your humble servant was the one who raised his hand and said "Nice facility, but is it safe?" The unhappy host grabbed the microphone to assure everyone that the outside walls on this floor were armored against any attack. I commented, "Good, what about the floor below us?" At that point the discussion ended.

106 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:27:30pm

re: #99 Sharmuta

Nice try, corporate stooge, but we're on to your shenanigans.

BIG LAUNDRY IS SELLING US OUT!
MISSING SOCKS IS AN INSIDE JOB!

/s

107 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:29:29pm

re: #104 calcajun

Seriously now- I do think it's the washer. With a dryer, where is there for a sock to go? But the washer? There is the agitator and space to suck away socks. Just sayin'.

108 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:30:26pm

re: #105 lifeofthemind

Remember-safety is an illusion. It is a state of mind. Agoraphobics would not feel safe even if they were locked in one. And the blithering Bangladeshi idiot that got eaten by the crocs to whom he was praying felt, I'm sure, perfectly safe down there in the pool--with the five crocodiles--right up until the teeth hit his flesh.

109 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:30:47pm

re: #42 MandyManners

He needs to shut up and sing.

That would be called humming?

;)

110 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:30:48pm

re: #106 Slumbering Behemoth

MISSING SOCKS IS AN INSIDE JOB!

Indeed........... inside the washer! ;p

111 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:31:40pm

re: #107 Sharmuta

Two words: lint vent. Check your neighbor's yard-yer socks might have been blown over there.

112 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:33:51pm

re: #106 Slumbering Behemoth

Nice try, corporate stooge, but we're on to your shenanigans.

BIG LAUNDRY IS SELLING US OUT!
MISSING SOCKS IS AN INSIDE JOB!

/s

I just found a single sock in a computer knapsack I use for travel that I haven't used in two years. I hectored my wife for weeks about that missing sock. Now I am feeling slightly guilty. Lady Lizards....do I own up or not?

113 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:35:16pm

Socks go in together - they come out of the dryer with at least one of each pair missing.

Aliens steal them. Why? They are used as extraterrestrial condoms. Duh.

114 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:38:29pm

re: #111 calcajun

I have never seen random socks in anyone's yard hanging around a dryer vent but I do know the washing machine has a vortex. Or it's aliens needing condoms.

115 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:41:47pm

re: #113 rightymouse

They are used as extraterrestrial condoms. Duh.

Argyle condoms? kinky. Which reminds me of an old joke

The Scotsman who worked at the adult store had to see the dentist, so he had his friend Bob cover for him while he was gone. "Everything has the price clearly marked on it," he told his friend. After explaining how to work the cash register, he departed, vowing to return in an hour.

An hour later, he returns and asks Bob how things went.

"I did $140 in sales," said Bob.

"Wow," replies Angus. "What did you sell?"

"A lady came in and asked for a dildo," explained Bob. "She looked behind the counter and asked to see the big black one. So I sold it to her for the price marked -- $20."

"Great," says Angus.

"Another lady came in and she also asked for a dildo," continued Bob. "She looked behind the counter and asked to see the big pink one. So I sold it to her for the price marked -- $20."

"Great," says Angus.

"Then another lady came in for a dildo," said Bob. "She looked behind the counter and asked to see the big tartan one."

"We don't have any tartan dildos," remarked Angus, somewhat confused.

"I know," Bob replied. "But I got $100 for your Thermos."

116 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:43:08pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

Bah! Enough of your "smoke and mirrors" misinformation. When the troof comes out, your lies will be exposed.

re: #112 Big Steve

I just found a single sock in a computer knapsack I use for travel that I haven't used in two years. I hectored my wife for weeks about that missing sock. Now I am feeling slightly guilty. Lady Lizards....do I own up or not?

Wait, what?!?! MY GOD MAN, YOU'RE IN DANGER! Get rid of that sock before it starts singing in Scottish Falsetto, or you'll be doomed, doomed I tells ya.

That sock WAS missing, and now has been returned from the clandestine base in Scotland to begin the evil work that it was trained to carry out. Don't let it get to you!

/and don't listen to that Sharmuta person, she's a shill for Big Laundry
//

117 Paul  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:47:03pm

Scientists and engineers, what do they know? Nothing, but the DUmmies know the troof.

118 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:47:22pm

re: #113 rightymouse

Hey, I'm working this corner! One conspiracy theory at a time, please.

/s

119 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:47:27pm

re: #115 calcajun

Argyle socks? Very, very kinky. I know mine always disappear.

120 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:51:41pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey, I'm working this corner! One conspiracy theory at a time, please.

/s


Sorry.

After raising five kids, lack of matching socks once they go in the washing machine and dryer is speciality of mine.

I can attest to years of utter and complete befuddlement.

So, really, aliens are the only answer.

121 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 3:53:10pm

re: #114 Sharmuta

I have never seen random socks in anyone's yard hanging around a dryer vent but I do know the washing machine has a vortex. Or it's aliens needing condoms.


Would the washing machine vortex suck the socks into the septic tank? Please say no, because I really don't want to go there and check.

122 wiffersnapper  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:01:05pm

Took the government 3 years to come out with this statement when it took debunking911.com 1 year to say it. Good ol' fashioned government speed.

How dare you post the truth! There's only troof.

123 trulyyours  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:02:20pm

The concept of a "controlled explosion" sounds a little too much like intelligent design.

124 kuffar  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:14:57pm

re: #123 trulyyours

Conspiracy:

Discovery Institute and 9/11 Troofers working in concert to destroy our faith in Government.

125 DocDublU  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:16:36pm

call rosie o'donnell..she's the difinitive expert on all this.

126 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:16:37pm

re: #8 code red 21

Just remember everybody steel can't melt...just ask Rosie O.
/

Cool! Does steel just grow in different shapes?

127 kuffar  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:19:04pm

Steel doesn't melt? Next time the boss asks me to cut a beam I'll tell him that.

128 Kulhwch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:25:32pm

re: #25 MandyManners

Willie Nelson?

Yeah, it's sad ...

}:)     [Well, guess the years and pot have caught up with him ... ]

129 Perplexed  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:28:52pm

Ah, yes. The washing machine/dryer missing socks argument.

The washing machine alignment is critical to making socks vanish. Anything off of true North by more than .01 degrees weakens the space time area in the socks. Rotate the socks counter clockwise while heating said socks and the socks fall into a space time vortex created in part to the weakening of the space time area by the washer.

130 Hard Right  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:37:54pm

re: #96 Confuzed

If 9/11 were a conspiracy, then which of the following is true?
a. George Bush planned 9/11 when he was still governor of Texas.
b. Bill Clinton planned 9/11 when he was president of US.

In Afghanistan on January 18, 2000 (when Clinton was still President and
one year before Bush became President), a videotaped last will and testament was made by by Mohammed Atta (WTC pilot) and Ziad Jarrah (Flight 93 PA crash) pilot.
NBC video here.

Bill Clinton passed on Sudan's two offers to arrest Bin Laden in 1996.
Hear Bill Clinton explain why he refused here.

Bin Laden admitted ordering and planning 9/11.
If 9/11 were a conspiracy, why wouldn't UBL ruin the president by saying he (UBL) had nothing to do with 9/11?

The terrorists were just actors-there is no OBL!
Bush is controlled by the Trilateral Commission, Bergers, and Rockafellers. They planned it. Bush helped carry it out.
/
I've heard some twoofers actually say the above.

131 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:38:18pm

Doesn't change the fact that George Bush is hiding in every moonbat's mommy's basement closet.

132 steveoh  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:40:43pm

Rosie O'Donnell just dove into a gallon of Ben and Jerry's. Oh the tragedy!

133 reddragon  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:43:33pm

We all know that "global warming" was the cause, so this is nothing but another government cover up- right...someone call algore

134 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:46:16pm

The Truth... eeeek!

Tom Martino had Alex Jones on his radio show today. Tom Martino is supposed to be this upstanding consumer advocate. Now I think he's a slime ball.

Boycott Tom Martino.

135 grahamski  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:46:30pm

Let that be a lesson to youz kids, fire is dangerous!....even highly sophisticated focus groups have come to that conclusion!...Fire

136 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:49:58pm

The reason it was the first time this has happened (fire causing the failure) is because of assumptions made about skyscraper fires.

It was assumed when the WTC-7 was built that a fire in that building would have mundane causes, like a cigarette in the wrong trashcan, or some bad wiring. The building would be more or less fully occupied, and the fire department would have the personnel and easy access to put that fire out.

The attacks on WTC 1 and WTC 2 caused WTC 7 to be evacuated (hence nobody to spot the fires). The debris field and generally dealing with WTC 1 and 2 kept the fire department too busy and obstructed to deal with putting out the fires in WTC 7 until it was too late.

137 LEGION  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:57:01pm

Hey Rosie toesie O'Donnell- S T F U! I also remember that around the time she came out with her fire don't melt steel shite that a gasoline tanker truck exploded on a STEEL bridge in California- (Bay Bridge I-80) and the fire MELTED the steel. Dyslexic retards should just shut up!
[Link: northshorejournal.org...]

138 cybermonk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 4:58:44pm

re: #29 Random63

as a former steel pourer for US Steel, I can tell you steel boils like soup at 3,000 degrees, at about 1800 degrees it begins to lose its shape and is prone to drooping or losing its shape and not able to support what it previously could.

during breakouts from the open hearth, molten steel would seriously distort the steel supports of the rear of the oven. the higher above 1800 degrees you get the worse the weakening becomes

139 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:02:13pm

May the victims of the attacks on September 11, 2001 rest in eternal peace.

140 kansas  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:02:41pm

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

There once was a fellow named Rufe
Committed to Nine One One Troof
His belief he retired
When he learned of the fires--
He'd not thought of debris on the roof.

Any troofers you know from Nantucket?

141 ErnieG  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:07:04pm

re: #74 willowone

and than someone steals the lint and sticks it into our navels! sneaky bastids

Of course! It's an important job, directed at the highest level. Haven't you heard of the Chief of Navel Operations?

142 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:25:22pm

re: #132 steveoh

How high was the platform off of which she dove?

I so did not need that image.

143 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:37:58pm

re: #129 Perplexed

Ah, yes. The washing machine/dryer missing socks argument.

The washing machine alignment is critical to making socks vanish. Anything off of true North by more than .01 degrees weakens the space time area in the socks. Rotate the socks counter clockwise while heating said socks and the socks fall into a space time vortex created in part to the weakening of the space time area by the washer.

Ok. I can buy that one.

144 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:40:18pm

Is Rosie O'Donnell speaking at the DNC convention? She should.

145 Perf  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:49:05pm

re: #132 steveoh

Rosie O'Donnell just dove into a gallon of Ben and Jerry's. Oh the tragedy!

And the kinetic energy instantly vaporized it.

146 yochanan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:08:51pm

i was always clear the terrorism in the twin attacks on wtc 1 & 2 caused the fires in wtc 7 and that the for mentioned fires cause it to fall just did not know how that happened. the broken water pipes preventing the sprinkler system to work was the cause. i get it.

147 justacanuck  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:16:56pm

What the hell you talking about Willis? Of course these asshat so-called "scientists" are in on the coverup! Why only an utter moron who doubt the existence of a massive coverup to hide What Really Happened on 9/11.

I mean, c'mon now - we're only up to, what -- 145,643 Neocons/military industrial complex/ Rovians KNOWN to be in on the conspiracy? Just add these scientists liars to the pile...

Ho hum. Nothing to see here.

;-)

148 mattm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:32:57pm

Water can't put out fire.

Fire Sprinklers don't need CITY water.

/troofer out

149 baxtrice  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:11:34pm

In honor of this announcement, I advocate a new national holiday; "Punch a 9/11 Troofer" Day. Find a Troofer and Punch them in the face.

I feel better already, how about you? :)

150 hopperandadropper  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:33:56pm

This is good to see, but I've been dealing with my stepson's Troofer tendencies for well over a year. It's hard to have a rational conversation with him about it. I hate this crap.

Steel DOES NOT HAVE TO MELT to have a structural failure. It's why sword makers heat steel to reshape it. Red hot steel is malleable and does not have the structural strength of cold steel, but it's nowhere near melting. A jet fuel fire can sure as hell make steel red hot, can't it? With beacoup tons of weight on a red-hot steel beam, that beam is going to bend because the strain is not symmetrical. Once it starts to bend, the mass making it bend starts to move and then you have a truckload of momentum continuing and likely increasing the strain. Other red-hot beams start to bend, the whole thing starts to move faster, and more kinetic energy is applied to the structure. I'm assuming the chicken wire thing was some kind of Troofer demonstration- did anybody test the tensile strength of the chicken wire after it was exposed to the fire? Anyone that's ever thrown a piece of tin into a campfire knows what happens.

The analogy to the intelligent design morons is a good one. I want the ID folks to explain to me, scientifically, why every organism on the planet has DNA or RNA as its genetic material and why everything higher than bacteria has the same exact genetic code (meaning a sequence of three nucleotides = one particular amino acid). Why do all cells use the same machinery to make proteins, secrete them, break them down when they're no longer needed, etc.? Hint: It's cheating to say Jesus did it.

Just needed to vent a little bit- better now.

151 miguelj  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 12:40:39am

Let's see now.....the Bush government is clever and ruthless enough to destroy the WTC (and successfully frame innocent Arabs for it!)....yet somehow not shrewd or unprincipled enough to have dummied up some fake WMDs after the fall of Saddam's Iraq? No, umm, wait.....

152 Land Shark  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 7:30:43am

One of my friends is an engineer who works for a company that demolishes buildings. He's participated in a number of demolitions and he laughs uncontrollably at any suggestion the World Trade Center had been wired for implosion before the attack.

He says even under ideal conditions, where the building has been stripped down to it's steel and concrete skeleton, it still takes weeks and sometimes months to wire things up properly. He says wiring up the World Trade Center in secret, doing it in a way that would prevent the workers there from noticing, would have had to have started from the moment the buildings opened back in the 70s. He believes it's simply impossible.

Also, we both believe a conspiracy of that magnitude would have required thousands of people in both the US and NYC governments to be in on the plot. By now, someone should have talked given the enormity of the crime and the incentive to be a great hero by exposing it. The fact that no one has come forth in such a position alleging a plot speaks volumes.

Of course, 9-11 troofer buffoons aren't troubled by such things as "facts"...

153 arf  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 9:40:30am

I seem to recall the collapse of the WTC was a Richter-2 earthquake on seismometers. Two-point-three, something like that.

So effectively two Richter-two-plus earthquakes, a few minutes apart, where the epicenter is just a stone's throw away from the neighboring building.

Plus the fires and all that.

154 arf  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 9:43:06am

>Steel DOES NOT HAVE TO MELT to have a structural failure.

Which is why the commanders told soldiers not to heat food in their helmets back in the days of steel pot helmets. Same with using the bayonet as a food skewer.

Ruined the temper needed to be effective in their respective functions.

Of course, we're preaching to the choir.

155 Lawrior  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 7:11:53pm

Well of course the fire had something to do with collapse of WT7. After the operatives of Bush/Cheney/Pentaverate triggered the explosives in the WT7, there was lots of fire.

/Troof makes my brain hurt.


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