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Birth Certificate Troofers Bite the Dust

Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:04:10 pm PDT

Well, this puts the eggs in the fridge and shuts off the light.

Can we please knock off the “birth certificate” troof stories now?

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document’s authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is “fake.”

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

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1 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:04:58pm

It was a lame rumor to begin with.

2 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:05:51pm

I mean, c'mon, would he even bother trying to run for President if wasn't born in the US? It would have to come our eventually. It was a ridiculous assertion on the face of it.

3 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:06:04pm

our = out

4 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:06:25pm

Obama is still a post turtle.

5 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:06:26pm
6 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:06:42pm

This should have been put to bed long ago. Incessantly harping on this (non) issue is NOT HELPFUL!

7 rabidfox  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:06:46pm

Obama is responsible for a lot of the rumor mongering with his stone-walling. But you're right, Zombie, it was a lame rumor.

8 Athos  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:06:58pm

Can we finally kill this bloody rumor so we can concentrate on the factual challenges with this candidate? There's plenty of those to use as fodder.

9 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:07:00pm
10 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:07:10pm

But wait! I've got a document right here that says Obama is inside that freezer with Bigfoot! The freezer is now stored in a madrassa in Pakistan!

11 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:07:42pm

keep moving folks...nothing to look at here

12 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:07:53pm

Just like the other variety of troofers, I think we'll still see people in total denial about this, and that's sad since it's a better tactic to go after the man's positions than anything.

13 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:08:04pm

re: #9 buzzsawmonkey

A post-modern post turtle!

The post modern, post racial post turtle

14 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:08:23pm

Annenberg Documents. Annenberg Documents. Annenberg Documents. Annenberg Documents. Annenberg Documents. Annenberg Documents.

15 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:08:28pm

Just you wait for the DNA tests, you doubters and cynics. You'll be eating your words!

Obama isn't half black -- he's HALF BIGFOOT!

16 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:08:42pm

There are richer pickin's than this chicken, that is for sure.

17 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:08:53pm
18 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:21:13pm

Man, I must have passed out!

19 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:21:53pm

That was like the Great New York Blackout of 1966. I was trapped in an elevator between threads!

20 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:21:58pm

Hello?

21 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:22:21pm

re: #9 buzzsawmonkey

A post-modern post turtle!

McCain, who doesn't use the Internet, is a pre-modem post turtle!

22 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:22:26pm

Good. This was always a stupid rumor.

23 jemima  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:22:59pm

Where were you when the lights went out?

24 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:23:01pm

Danger Will Robinson...Danger

Hampsters 3, 4 and 5 have suffered left rear blowouts.

25 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:23:34pm

I heard a rumor that this rumor was nothing more than a rumor.

Rumer Godden told it to a roomer at the boarding house.

26 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:23:43pm

re: #4 JCM

Obama is still a post turtle.

Aye, laddie, but he's OUR post-turtle.

27 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:24:27pm

re: #22 Lizard by the Bay

Good. This was always a stupid rumor.

Too good to be true.

28 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:24:57pm

re: #10 zombie

But wait! I've got a document right here that says Obama is inside that freezer with Bigfoot! The freezer is now stored in a madrassa in Pakistan!

Is there a pile of money in that freezer, too?

29 opnion  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:25:10pm

They are not stupid enough to put out a false birth certficate.
This in no way diminishes the Immaculate Conception event.
So there.

30 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:25:24pm

Charles, do have thread worms copying information again?

31 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:25:49pm

re: #5 buzzsawmonkey

Despite the fact that this is an Annenberg site, and Annenberg money is also related to the archive of the Obama/Ayers dealings, it is well past time that this non-issue was laid to rest.

California
tumbles into the sea
That'll be the day I go back
to Annenberg

/cue bari sax

32 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:26:10pm

re: #27 MandyManners

I t was too simple- you would think the DNC would vet potential candidates enough to not bother putting up someone who is not Constitutionally viable.

We might not like their politics, but they're not that stupid.

33 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:26:22pm

Well, so much for that flash in the pan. Can the world please get a little less paranoid?

and OT, has anyone heard of the movie called An American Carol, which is premiering on Oct. 3? I just heard about it today and went to the website to check it out.

We should all go...You Zucker fans in particular, and eve if you aren't just to stick it to liberal Hollywood.

Besides, the movie makes fun of Michael Moore.

Check it: [Link: www.americancarol.com...]

34 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:26:27pm

About time this was put to bed. The man may be an egomaniac, but he isn't a stupid egomaniac. BTW did LGF just have an short outage. Couldn't connect for about 5 min.

35 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:26:52pm

re: #32 Sharmuta

I t was too simple- you would think the DNC would vet potential candidates enough to not bother putting up someone who is not Constitutionally viable.

We might not like their politics, but they're not that stupid.

Nor is Soros.

36 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:26:59pm

re: #25 zombie

I heard a rumor that this rumor was nothing more than a rumor.

Rumer Godden told it to a roomer at the boarding house.


What about Rumer Willis?

37 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:28:26pm

re: #17 buzzsawmonkey

The pillar-to-post post modern, post racial post turtle.

Who will, G*d willing, soon be a political Post Toastie.

38 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:28:31pm

A much better rumor, and much more likely to be true, is the one that Obama did not register for the Selective Service in 1980 when required to as an 18-year-old by Carter's Selective Service Act. Many hipster dudes Obama's age did not register.

Clinton, I believe, granted retroactive amnesty to the semi-draft-dodgers, but even so it would really make Obama look like an America-hating coward -- particularly in comparison to McCain and his service.

I've looked into it: the only person who can release his Selective Service info is Obama himself -- no one else. And he will not even address the issue. So it will likely never be answered.

39 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:28:53pm

Not a rumor: Obama Says China's Infrastructure Is Better Than U.S.

“Think about the amount of money China has spent on infrastructure -- their ports, their train system, their airports are all vastly superior to us now, which means if you’re a corporation deciding where to do business, you’re starting to think Beijing looks like a pretty good option Why aren't we doing the same thing”?

40 tradewind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:29:20pm

Day- um.
All the Republican hopes and dreams dashed.
/sarc alert/
Can we please never hear about this again?
(unless, of course, you wanna talk about it, Charles....)
:)
It's more fun to watch the Whiner dig a hole with that house thing.

41 kuffar  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:29:37pm

factcheck.org is in on the conspiracy!

/obamatroofer

42 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:29:47pm

re: #38 zombie

A much better rumor, and much more likely to be true, is the one that Obama did not register for the Selective Service in 1980 when required to as an 18-year-old by Carter's Selective Service Act. Many hipster dudes Obama's age did not register.

Clinton, I believe, granted retroactive amnesty to the semi-draft-dodgers, but even so it would really make Obama look like an America-hating coward -- particularly in comparison to McCain and his service.

I've looked into it: the only person who can release his Selective Service info is Obama himself -- no one else. And he will not even address the issue. So it will likely never be answered.

If he committed a crime, why should he be the only one who can release that information?

43 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:31:11pm

re: #38 zombie

A much better rumor, and much more likely to be true, is the one that Obama did not register for the Selective Service in 1980 when required to as an 18-year-old by Carter's Selective Service Act. Many hipster dudes Obama's age did not register.

I registered that year; I remember going to the Almeda-Genoa post office and filling out the card. I didn't think much of it (but I was 18, LOL).

44 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:31:37pm

re: #42 MandyManners

If he committed a crime, why should he be the only one who can release that information?

Because very few of those people who didn't register were ever prosecuted -- a tiny number of in-your-face activists. Millions of men Obama's age did not registger, and were never prosecuted, then Clinton gave them all amnesty. Whether that now counts as a crime, I'll let the lawyers decide.

45 Zombie_Killian  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:32:09pm

Lots of disappointed troofers today.

46 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:32:13pm

What the Hell was that?

47 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:32:24pm

re: #43 OldLineTexan

I registered that year; I remember going to the Almeda-Genoa post office and filling out the card. I didn't think much of it (but I was 18, LOL).

Did you know guys your age who didn't register?

48 tradewind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:32:32pm

re: #39 HelloDare

Uh, yeah. And they've got that pollution thing whipped, too.
We should be sooo jealous.
He forgot to add that their industrial safety standards far surpass ours. For some reason, we don't even let our childrens' toys contain tons of lead...... could we be anymore backward?

49 opnion  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:33:03pm

Well this clinches it, the guy was born in Hawaii.
It is now clear that he is directly descended from Kamehameha the Great, Kunta kente, Shaka Zulu, Saladin & Charlemagne

50 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:33:41pm

re: #39 HelloDare

Not a rumor: Obama Says China's Infrastructure Is Better Than U.S.

“Think about the amount of money China has spent on infrastructure -- their ports, their train system, their airports are all vastly superior to us now, which means if you’re a corporation deciding where to do business, you’re starting to think Beijing looks like a pretty good option Why aren't we doing the same thing”?

Yeah. There's noting like a good, lung clearing jog in the morning in Bejing!

51 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:34:01pm

re: #44 zombie

Because very few of those people who didn't register were ever prosecuted -- a tiny number of in-your-face activists. Millions of men Obama's age did not registger, and were never prosecuted, then Clinton gave them all amnesty. Whether that now counts as a crime, I'll let the lawyers decide.

Shouldn't people who run for office be held to a higher standard?

52 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:34:12pm

re: #39 HelloDare

Ummmm barry, have you stopped and thought about this? We can't do what the Chinese have done because the environmental nut jobs will not let us. And by the way, they are generally democrats.

53 NogenDavid  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:34:30pm

So the birth certificate....is the father listed as Joseph or the Supreme Being? Or did Obama fudge that too?

54 opnion  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:34:33pm

re: #51 MandyManners

Shouldn't people who run for office be held to a higher standard?


Yes

55 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:34:41pm

I think hunting for an elusive smoking gun is a fool's game- the man has given us enough with his positions, associations and inexperience to make enough of a startling contrast to McCain. Looking for a smoking gun that might not even exist while we have real, tangible differences to pounce on just seems to me to be wasted time.

56 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:35:03pm

re: #48 tradewind

Uh, yeah. And they've got that pollution thing whipped, too.
We should be sooo jealous.
He forgot to add that their industrial safety standards far surpass ours...

Yeah, ask any Chinese coal miner- that is if you can find one LIVING...

57 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:35:07pm

re: #55 Sharmuta

I think hunting for an elusive smoking gun is a fool's game- the man has given us enough with his positions, associations and inexperience to make enough of a startling contrast to McCain. Looking for a smoking gun that might not even exist while we have real, tangible differences to pounce on just seems to me to be wasted time.

Dinged you up, there.

58 winston06  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:35:26pm

Vote McCain 2008

59 Reno911  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:35:32pm

re: #38 zombie

Seems to me that would be a simple FOI request to the Selective Service System.

60 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:35:37pm

re: #57 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Thanks, PP.

61 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:35:42pm

re: #47 zombie

Did you know guys your age who didn't register?

One of my brothers, who was at Occidental College when Obama was, had to register for the draft to get financial aid. I don't know whether Obama got any financial aid....

62 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:35:49pm

Oh, I hope this makes it stop. . .like the announcement about why that OTHER building fell on 9-11. . .think it will?

Me neither!

63 Zombie_Killian  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:36:08pm

re: #39 HelloDare

A village called Potemkin

64 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:36:41pm

re: #61 wrenchwench

One of my brothers, who was at Occidental College when Obama was, had to register for the draft to get financial aid. I don't know whether Obama got any financial aid....


My sons had to register. . .on the FAAFSA form you have to get registered to process the claim for aid. . .

65 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:36:52pm

re: #58 winston06

Vote McCain 2008

Also, see this film.

www.americancarol.com


No, I don't work for them, but I am still giggling over the preview!

66 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:36:59pm

re: #47 zombie

Did you know guys your age who didn't register?

None that I can recall, but I am also pretty sure I don't remember hearing about anyone getting arrested or prosecuted. I didn't get a draft card, a mailed confirmation, a number, NOTHING.

Aslo, south side Houston/Pasadena Texas was not a proto-moonbat war protester kind of place back in the day.

When did they do away with it? It seems like it didn't last long.

67 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:37:13pm

re: #63 Zombie_Killian

A village called Potemkin


Oh, YES, totally!

68 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:37:13pm

re: #59 Reno911

Seems to me that would be a simple FOI request to the Selective Service System.

Nope. For some reason I think this Selective Service info is off-limits to that.

69 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:37:39pm

re: #47 zombie

Hell, I didn't register for the draft. I ENLISTED. April 21st 1980

70 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:37:48pm

/But I still say the World Trade Center was bombed.

Two planes loaded with fuel could never have weakened all that steel.

150 years of steel manufacturing/melting/bending proves that.
-
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-

-
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I also know who kidnapped the Lindberg baby.

71 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:37:54pm

re: #65 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Also, see this film.

www.americancarol.com


No, I don't work for them, but I am still giggling over the preview!


I am so waiting for this. . .bet it will rock!

72 vapig  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:38:10pm

We don't need a strawman like this birth certificate fiasco. Obama himself is a strawman - an empty suit. Every time Obama opens his mouth he shoots himself in the foot.

All we need to do is let him keep talking.

73 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:38:16pm

Personally, I think that if you don't want to register for selective service, then you don't deserve a student loan that's guaranteed by the government (ie:the taxpayer)!

74 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:39:03pm

re: #66 OldLineTexan

When did they do away with it? It seems like it didn't last long.

I don't know. It may possibly still be in place!

75 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:39:15pm

re: #71 DisturbedEma

I am so waiting for this. . .bet it will rock!


I'm going on opening night! I'm taking my dad, who loves Zucker's work as much as I do.

76 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:39:30pm

re: #69 Bubblehead II

Hell, I didn't register for the draft. I ENLISTED. April 21st 1980

I'd vote for you over Obama.

77 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:39:43pm

re: #44 zombie

Because very few of those people who didn't register were ever prosecuted -- a tiny number of in-your-face activists. Millions of men Obama's age did not registger, and were never prosecuted, then Clinton gave them all amnesty. Whether that now counts as a crime, I'll let the lawyers decide.

Lots and lots and lots of people did not register - so many, in fact, that several years ago, employers were required to check the registration status of draft-age applicants before hiring them; and if it was discovered they weren't registered, registration became a pre-requisite to hiring.

Not one of the men we were hiring were registered.

78 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:39:49pm

re: #76 zombie

I'd vote for you over Obama.


Me too!

79 stuiec  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:40:34pm

re: #38 zombie

A much better rumor, and much more likely to be true, is the one that Obama did not register for the Selective Service in 1980 when required to as an 18-year-old by Carter's Selective Service Act. Many hipster dudes Obama's age did not register.

Clinton, I believe, granted retroactive amnesty to the semi-draft-dodgers, but even so it would really make Obama look like an America-hating coward -- particularly in comparison to McCain and his service.

I've looked into it: the only person who can release his Selective Service info is Obama himself -- no one else. And he will not even address the issue. So it will likely never be answered.

I am 48. I didn't register for the Selective Service -- because there was a "notch" in the registration requirement. I was too young for the old draft and too old for the reinstated Selective Service registration.

Anyone know if Obama's birthday puts him in the same "notch"?

80 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:40:37pm

re: #78 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Me too!

Me 3. . .

81 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:40:37pm

re: #74 zombie

I don't know. It may possibly still be in place!

Dangit, the zombie is always right!

82 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:41:26pm

re: #77 reine.de.tout

Not one of the men we were hiring were registered.

Were any of them named "Barry," by chance?

83 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:41:43pm

re: #74 zombie

I don't know. It may possibly still be in place!

The forms are still at the post office.

84 Cicero05  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:41:51pm
FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.

Until I see a carbon-14 analysis, I ain't buyin' it.

85 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:42:29pm

re: #79 stuiec

I am 48. I didn't register for the Selective Service -- because there was a "notch" in the registration requirement. I was too young for the old draft and too old for the reinstated Selective Service registration.

Anyone know if Obama's birthday puts him in the same "notch"?

No, he's not in the notch. I looked into it. He was required to register.

(This was part of my stalled Obama Rumor page.)

86 ErnieG  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:42:31pm

I'm glad that this canard is put to rest. One of the rules of rhetoric is never to mix bad arguments with good arguments. This was a bad argument. Lord knows, there are plenty of good arguments, and they are having an effect.

87 freetoken  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:42:36pm

Charles, don't you know that the Annenberg funded FactCheck organization is just another lefty organization?

Quoting from that esteemed journal, the Canada Free Press:

[...]the folks at “Fact Check” pretend not to know. Perhaps they didn’t take the time to examine the facts. This project includes personnel formerly with CNN, Time magazine, and public broadcasting. But a more serious examination of their backgrounds reveals that some of the staffers have had affiliations with liberal causes, personalities, and candidates such as Common Cause, Bill Moyers, the AFL-CIO, and Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark.

Is there a left-wing bent here that has tainted their research

?


/snark.....

88 kansas  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:42:38pm

What I want to know is why Obama can admit to drinking, doing weed, and blow and no one raises an eyebrow.....George Bush however, has been trashed for accusations of less.

89 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:42:43pm

re: #79 stuiec

I am 48. I didn't register for the Selective Service -- because there was a "notch" in the registration requirement. I was too young for the old draft and too old for the reinstated Selective Service registration.

Anyone know if Obama's birthday puts him in the same "notch"?

My above-mentioned brother is also 48. No notch for him.

90 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:42:44pm

re: #79 stuiec

I am 48. I didn't register for the Selective Service -- because there was a "notch" in the registration requirement. I was too young for the old draft and too old for the reinstated Selective Service registration.

Anyone know if Obama's birthday puts him in the same "notch"?

See chart in link on #81. Males born AFTER Dec. 31, 1959 have to register with a number of exceptions. "Messiah" and "Lightworker" were not listed.

91 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:42:52pm

Coming soon. Inspection of the treaties drawn up with the now state of Hawaii, examined at the National Archives, show that the document is missing all of the required signatures. Hawaii is not part of the United States.

92 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:43:23pm
93 Reno911  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:43:32pm

re: #68 zombie

I doubt it. Here are the nine exemptions for FOIA information:

Freedom of Information Act Exemptions

The Freedom of Information Act entitles the following exemptions on documents being requested by the public:

Those documents properly classified as secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy;

Related solely to internal personnel rules and practices;

Specifically exempted by other statutes;

A trade secret or privileged or confidential commercial or financial information obtained from a person;

A privileged inter-agency or intra-agency memorandum or letter;

A personnel, medical, or similar file the release of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;

Compiled for law enforcement purposes, the release of which could reasonably be expected to interfere with law enforcement proceedings, would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication,

could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy,

could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source,

would disclose techniques, procedures, or guidelines for investigations or prosecutions, or

could reasonably be expected to endanger an individual's life or physical safety;

Contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports about financial institutions that the SEC regulates or supervises; or

And those documents containing exempt information about gas or oil wells.

Matter of fact; Looking the SSS website, I think you file a FOIA request electronically.

If SSS refused the FOIA request, take it to court.

94 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:43:38pm

re: #74 zombie

I don't know. It may possibly still be in place!



Who Must Register

95 Cicero05  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:43:42pm

Now can we start a rumor that Obama is an ex-felon?

96 stuiec  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:44:52pm
Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false.

Not that it matters anymore, but some years ago, a lot of county recorders' offices went to digital reproduction of birth certificates. The official copy they give you is laser-printed on the "official" paper and given a seal. The idea that lack of an original signature or raised seal "proved" that a birth certificate was falsified was always a silly notion.

Indeed, I am kind of surprised that the county recorder kept the actual document instead of only a microfilm or digitized copy. I imagine it was deep in the offsite vault.

97 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:45:06pm

re: #79 stuiec

I am 48. I didn't register for the Selective Service -- because there was a "notch" in the registration requirement. I was too young for the old draft and too old for the reinstated Selective Service registration.

Anyone know if Obama's birthday puts him in the same "notch"?

You must have been born in the second half of 1959 -- right? That was the notch

Obama is a 1961 baby.

98 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:45:39pm

re: #79 stuiec

I am 48. I didn't register for the Selective Service -- because there was a "notch" in the registration requirement. I was too young for the old draft and too old for the reinstated Selective Service registration.

Anyone know if Obama's birthday puts him in the same "notch"?

Were you born before Dec 31 1959?

99 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:46:09pm

re: #95 Cicero05

Now can we start a rumor that Obama is an ex-felon?

Screw rumors. There are plenty of facts with which to hang him.

100 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:46:15pm

re: #92 ploome hineni

check yer mail

Got it, thank you!

101 stuiec  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:47:24pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout


Who Must Register

Illegal aliens have to register for Selective Service?!?

102 stuiec  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:47:48pm

re: #98 reine.de.tout

Were you born before Dec 31 1959?

December 3, 1959.

103 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:47:58pm

re: #101 stuiec

Illegal aliens have to register for Selective Service?!?

Yes, isn't that a hoot?

104 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:48:21pm

re: #102 stuiec

December 3, 1959.

Well, there ya go. Cut-off was Dec 31 1959.

105 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:48:42pm

Ha! SFGATE pulled the story about the Ayers ad. Down the memory hole.

106 ElectricPhase  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:48:58pm

Let me suggest another (more plausible) tinfoil hat theory. What if the Obama campaign released a poor quality and obviously tampered with scan of the birth certificate as a honey trap? Now, with his numbers looking not so hot, they allow access to the real thing. That leaves those who questioned the scan with egg on their faces, and may undercut the legitimacy of the Ayers controversy in some people's minds. If they really did it....well, it would be almost clever.

107 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:49:00pm

re: #103 reine.de.tout

Yes, isn't that a hoot?

I'm sure there's a 100 per cent rate of compliance.

108 freedombilly  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:49:13pm

Aren't there enough real angles that we can hammer this guy from that we don't have to make anything up?

109 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:49:20pm

re: #88 kansas

What I want to know is why Obama can admit to drinking, doing weed, and blow and no one raises an eyebrow.....George Bush however, has been trashed for accusations of less.

Because if the left didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

110 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:49:51pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

Because if the left didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

LOL!

111 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:49:54pm

re: #107 MandyManners

I'm sure there's a 100 per cent rate of compliance.

Well, of course!

Just like there is 100% compliance with legal requirements to be here to begin with, natch.

112 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:50:53pm

re: #88 kansas

What I want to know is why Obama can admit to drinking, doing weed, and blow and no one raises an eyebrow.....George Bush however, has been trashed for accusations of less.

Because Obama is a Democrat.

Now if he happened to be a black Republican, he'd be trashed for those behaviors by the same people who look the other way because he's a Democrat.

113 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:51:04pm

re: #107 MandyManners

I'm sure there's a 100 per cent rate of compliance.

I saw a man who danced with his wife.

114 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:51:14pm

I do think that women should be able to register as well. If there were an emergency that necessitated the activation of the draft, women could serve in many capacities besides combat.

115 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:53:34pm

HaHaHa! take a second and work with me..
Look..when the birth cert story came out months ago..I only laughed..
My birth cert has been messed up for so long it's not funny..well it is..but..
I was born outside of firebaugh, ca. on a ranch with no doctor present.
Then i was adapted around 2 and things happened and the paperwork really got screwed up..The state of California could never really keep up...and i have so many addendum's to my B/C it's not funny..
so the whole story about obama leaves me laughing..you think thats hard to interpret?
hahaha
Hi Lizards

116 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:54:10pm

I just got the new Michael Moore book "Mike's Election Guide 2008." In it, he lists the top ten things Obama must do in his first week in office. #1 is: Reinstate the draft!

You may be scratching your head: hunh? Why would he suggest that? In Mikey's own words: Because doing so would cause riots in the streets and make people demand an end to the Iraq War!

/high-quality strategist, that Michael Moore is, yessirree.

117 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:54:42pm

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

I do think that women should be able to register as well. If there were an emergency that necessitated the activation of the draft, women could serve in many capacities besides combat.

That would make sense if the new Selective Service registration was about mobilizing human assets to address a national emergency.

It wasn't.

It was about Jimmy Carter trying to look "tough" on national security after allowing Iran to perpetrate an unanswered act of war against the United States.

He wanted to look tough, but not THAT tough...

118 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:55:14pm

re: #76 zombie

re: #78 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #80 DisturbedEma

Thanks, I think. But it probably wouldn't be a good idea to put me in charge,

because if I was in charge, the Russians in Georgia would not be there now and it's highly likely there would be mushroom clouds over numerous cities.

/Not known to be overly cool headed when seriously provoked

119 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:56:00pm

re: #116 zombie

You may be scratching your head: hunh? Why would he suggest that? In Mikey's own words: Because doing so would cause riots in the streets and make people demand an end to the Iraq War!


Yeah, that idiotic idea has been around for a while.

120 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:56:01pm

re: #115 HoosierHoops


My birth cert has been messed up for so long it's not funny..well it is..but..
I was born outside of firebaugh, ca. on a ranch with no doctor present.
...etc.

I don't have a birth certificate. Seriously. Never seen it. My mom probably lost it on the way home from the morgue cemetery hospital.

121 McJenny50  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:56:36pm

Seems odd that the factcheck.org site is part of Annenberg. Does this mean anything?

122 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:57:01pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that idiotic idea has been around for a while.

Mike's other 9 demands on Obama are equally bizarre and moronic, or unfeasible.

123 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:57:11pm

Re. Obama Selective Service

I can't recall where but it has been verified --not by an Obama supporter but elsewhere --that he DID register for the selective service. Whereever I saw it --provided the actual registration number.

that info is available. Again, a silly "smoking gun" because as someone else said above --no one is going to be stupid enough to run for president HIDING any technicality that would disqualify them.

As a number have said, enough real issues to question his qualifications without chasing windmills.

124 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:57:52pm

re: #122 zombie

Mike's other 9 demands on Obama are equally bizarre and moronic, or unfeasible.

For example: #3 is: (I am not making this up)...

Ban corn syrup!

125 freetoken  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:58:19pm

re: #121 McJenny50

Did you read my entry #87 above?

126 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:58:22pm

re: #117 CIA Reject

That would make sense if the new Selective Service registration was about mobilizing human assets to address a national emergency.

It wasn't.

It was about Jimmy Carter trying to look "tough" on national security after allowing Iran to perpetrate an unanswered act of war against the United States.

He wanted to look tough, but not THAT tough...

Silly me!

127 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:58:33pm

re: #120 zombie

I don't have a birth certificate. Seriously. Never seen it. My mom probably lost it on the way home from the morgue cemetery hospital.

LOL!

128 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:58:48pm

re: #123 Nancy

Re. Obama Selective Service

I can't recall where but it has been verified --not by an Obama supporter but elsewhere --that he DID register for the selective service. Whereever I saw it --provided the actual registration number.

Without a link or some proof of that, I remain skeptical.

129 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:58:50pm

re: #121 McJenny50

Seems odd that the factcheck.org site is part of Annenberg. Does this mean anything?

What?

130 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:59:06pm

re: #122 zombie

Mikey Moore was largely responsible for my "conversion". Progressives just aren't in touch with anything related with reality.

131 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:59:19pm

Crap.

We're peaking too soon man!

All this bad news on Obama will surely enable Hillary to steal the nomination.

Pace yourselves.

132 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:59:41pm

Selective service information is available on line to those born 1960 and afterward. To those born before 1960, it is on microfiche, and you have to write for it.
I know, I had to do this, recently.

133 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 5:59:43pm

re: #124 zombie

Ban corn syrup!


Because it makes people fat?

134 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:00:18pm

re: #120 zombie

I don't have a birth certificate. Seriously. Never seen it. My mom probably lost it on the way home from the morgue cemetery hospital.

But, as a Zombie, you do have a death certificate, right?

135 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:00:20pm

re: #101 stuiec

Apparently. I wonder who thought that one up?

136 stuiec  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:01:01pm

re: #97 zombie

You must have been born in the second half of 1959 -- right? That was the notch

Obama is a 1961 baby.

Seems like pursuing this line of inquiry runs into a Catch-22. You can't get reliable evidence of his not registering without his acquiescence. It seems to me that it would be counterproductive to make the accusation if he could then pull out his signed Selective Service registration form with a flourish and bash you for "Right-wing rumormongering."

On the other hand, someone who speaks of his "service" when speaking of his regular employment might be exposed as even more of a hypocrite if it were proven that he failed to register for Selective Service. It's a very tempting target, but so tempting that it might easily be a trap.

I guess that it's possible to ask him the question all wide-eyed and innocent-like, as if it were a perfunctory matter of checking off another item from the list -- "Of course, you registered for the Selective Service in 1979, right?"

137 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:01:23pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Mikey Moore was largely responsible for my "conversion". Progressives just aren't in touch with anything related with reality.

I respectably disagree. They are real in touch with mad-hippie sex.

138 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:01:28pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

But, as a Zombie, you do have a death certificate, right?

Yup! I keep it framed on the wall of my crypt.

139 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:01:41pm

re: #126 goddessoftheclassroom

Silly me!

Silly nothing- you're NORMAL.

It's the people inside the Beltway, where this "logic" actually makes "sense", who are silly!

140 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:02:39pm

re: #124 zombie

As crazy as this may sound, I could get behind this. High fructose corn syrup is positively ubiquitous in our food. It's in practically everything and it's really not that good for you--unless you limit to only pecan pies. It's more fattening than sugar. Even the "healthy" whole wheat breads have this crap.

/
It's even in ice cream! Ice cream! Children's ice cream, Mandrake.
/

It really is doing a number on our precious bodily fluids.

141 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:02:43pm

re: #131 Racer X

I would love to see Hill steal the nom. I'd LMAO if it happened.

142 Sunlight  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:03:12pm

Slightly OT:

A month ago, around the time of his Israel visit, Senator Barack Obama was voicing confidence that American Jews would turn out for him eventually. While polls showed that he enjoyed around 65 percent support among American Jews, well ahead of McCain but much less than previous Democratic presidential candidates, Obama told the most popular Israeli daily that he expected better results at the ballot boxes in November. "In my opinion, the Jews will come around by Election Day," he told Yediot Achronot.

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

"THE JEWS"? Did I read it right that Obama said that? He doesn't realize that every Jew takes a different position? And/or that he's already got an unhealthy percentage of Jew saying they'll vote for him no matter what? What does it mean when someone refers to "THE JEWS"? Unbelievable!

143 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:03:33pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Not really. I've pretty much only dated hippie chicks and they have a lot of hangups about sex because of the whole "male domination" thing. Hippie sex isn't as good as some might think.

144 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:03:34pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Because it makes people fat?

Yes. Also, because it's all the fault of Richard Nixon and Earl Butz in the '70s giving subsidies to corn farmers. Their secret agenda: Make people (such as Michael Moore) fat!

145 McJenny50  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:03:52pm

re: #125 freetoken

Did you read my entry #87 above?

Yeah. I guess I like a good conspiracy. Been reading about this on TexasDarlin (a pro-Hill site) and they have done a job making it all sound plausible.

146 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:04:01pm

re: #144 zombie

Heh.

147 stuiec  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:04:04pm

re: #135 Bubblehead II

Apparently. I wonder who thought that one up?

Does the felony of illegal immigration disqualify one from military service?

148 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:04:52pm

re: #120 zombie

I don't have a birth certificate. Seriously. Never seen it. My mom probably lost it on the way home from the morgue cemetery hospital.


hey ya zombie...
Are you being for real? you have never seen your B/C?

149 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:04:58pm

re: #141 Sharmuta

I would love to see Hill steal the nom. I'd LMAO if it happened.

As much as I could use a good LMAO I hope this doesn't happen because I think BO will be easier to beat.

150 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:05:28pm

re: #144 zombie

Yes. Also, because it's all the fault of Richard Nixon and Earl Butz in the '70s giving subsidies to corn farmers. Their secret agenda: Make people (such as Michael Moore) fat!

I feel that there is a special place in hell for Mr. Butz. He has to watch Swan Lake performed by 300 lb ballerinas for eternity.

151 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:05:37pm

re: #141 Sharmuta

I would love to see Hill steal the nom. I'd LMAO if it happened.

I guarantee Hillary will steal the nomination!

152 cybermonk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:06:04pm

looks like this suit in federal court will go nowhere,

suit filed in federal court challenging obamas' citizenship

it bases most of its claims on the alledged false birth certificate, which has since been proven to be authentic.
too little too late I guess

153 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:06:30pm

re: #140 calcajun

As crazy as this may sound, I could get behind this. High fructose corn syrup is positively ubiquitous in our food. It's in practically everything and it's really not that good for you--unless you limit to only pecan pies. It's more fattening than sugar. Even the "healthy" whole wheat breads have this crap.

/
It's even in ice cream! Ice cream! Children's ice cream, Mandrake.
/

It really is doing a number on our precious bodily fluids.

I live in a different world. I almost never consume high fructose corn syrup. Been reading labels for 15 years. It's easily avoided.

I agree that corn syrup is bad for you. I disagree with the notion of the government legislating what we can or can't eat!

154 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:06:56pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Not really. I've pretty much only dated hippie chicks and they have a lot of hangups about sex because of the whole "male domination" thing. Hippie sex isn't as good as some might think.

And there's the whole "not bathing" thing. Have you tried offering them some handcuffs to put them at ease?

155 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:07:01pm

re: #150 calcajun

I feel that there is a special place in hell for Mr. Butz. He has to watch Swan Lake performed by 300 lb ballerinas for eternity.

SAw, it might not be THAT bad...

156 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:07:05pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Not really. I've pretty much only dated hippie chicks and they have a lot of hangups about sex because of the whole "male domination" thing. Hippie sex isn't as good as some might think.

Well, I'll admit that they are not really good for a long term relationship. They seem to start running scared after a while. Maybe it's that "male domination" thing. They start to like how they are being treated, and something deep down inside says "he's a male, back off, back off."

At least that's what I have run into. But the first few months are hot.

157 tradewind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:07:30pm

re: #141 Sharmuta

I'm getting worried that she's his gritted-teeth choice for Veepette.
I hope not..... the Dems are on a nice paranoid downhill slide, no use introducing 17 million Pumas back into the fray.

158 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:07:32pm

re: #154 calcajun

And there's the whole "not bathing" thing. Have you tried offering them some handcuffs to put them at ease?

lol

159 neocon hippie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:07:49pm

I was born in 1959 so did not have to register for selective service. However, I had plenty of friends in my blue state world born 1960-62. Not only did none of them register AFAIK but I can't recall ever hearing about the requirement.

160 tradewind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:09:28pm

re: #149 CIA Reject

I think she's easy to beat as president.....but as vice pres, she may make his ticket really strong.
I'd rather see her on top than number two.
Well, not great word choice, but you know what I mean.........

161 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:09:51pm

re: #14 JCM

Annenberg Documents. Annenberg Documents. Annenberg Documents. Annenberg Documents. Annenberg Documents. Annenberg Documents.

JCM -

SANDY BURGLAR, SANDY BURGLAR, SANDY BURGLAR, SANDY BURGLAR.
Where "TF" is he when we need him?

-S-

162 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:09:54pm

re: #147 stuiec

Looks like a catch 22 situation to me. Your a felon for being here illegally in the the first place and can be charged with a felony crime for failing to register for the draft. What's a guy to do? heh.

163 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:09:58pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

hey ya zombie...
Are you being for real? you have never seen your B/C?

Seriously. For real. No birth certificate.

I also have never seen or owned a Social Security card, or ever gotten any communication from the government regarding Social Security.

I just copy it once a year from last year's 1040 form to the new one. Aside from that, I've never had any use for it. I have no memory of how I ever found out what my number was in the first place.

164 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:10:09pm

re: #153 zombie

I live in a different world. I almost never consume high fructose corn syrup. Been reading labels for 15 years. It's easily avoided.

I agree that corn syrup is bad for you. I disagree with the notion of the government legislating what we can or can't eat!

If I ran the world..all sugar and fructose corn sugar would be against the law..But thats just me..
/oh i wish i was the king

165 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:10:22pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Because it makes people fat?

Whatever will Michael do?

166 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:10:28pm

Now they are saying there was no powder foound in the envelope delivered to McCains office in Denver.

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

167 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:10:34pm

Speaking of micheal moore and veeps:

Michael Moore’s Dream Ticket: Obama-Kennedy

With campaign observers in a frenzy awaiting the impending results of the 2008 vice presidential sweepstakes, filmmaker Michael Moore has stepped up with a provocative plea to an advisor to Barack Obama: “Caroline, Pull a Cheney!”

Indeed- how better to combat the charge of "lacking experience" than to add to your ticket a person who's never stood for office ever? That's just brilliant, mikey.

168 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:10:43pm

re: #153 zombie

I live in a different world. I almost never consume high fructose corn syrup. Been reading labels for 15 years. It's easily avoided.

I agree that corn syrup is bad for you. I disagree with the notion of the government legislating what we can or can't eat!

We avoid it like the plague. Haven't bought a jar of ready-made pasta sauce for twenty years and make our own bread --otherwise we have buy the stuff that could be used as OSB if it goes stale.

I'm not for the government tell us what to eat. I want the government to end useless subsidies that are ultimately detrimental to the economy in terms of artificially propping up corn growers (no worries now that ethanol is here) and rising health care due to a national OD on HFCS.

169 pimp_conservative  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:11:48pm

Let's be honest. Anyone with Senator Obama's influence, donors, and supporters could easily forge an official document. Heck, most high school kids with a photoshop, a laser printer, and a basic counterfeiting skills could probably do it. The fact that it took the campaign as long as it did to release the document is actually quite telling, not that it really matters as Obama is going to lose bigger than anyone currently thinks.

170 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:11:51pm

re: #163 zombie

zombie -

In "the day" I lived "under the radar" - you are in a "League of Your Own!"

-S-

171 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:12:06pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Not really. I've pretty much only dated hippie chicks and they have a lot of hangups about sex because of the whole "male domination" thing. Hippie sex isn't as good as some might think.


Well, that and the armpit hair.

172 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:12:39pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

lol

Well, I was going to say have offered to let them dominate you, but that would have only sent this thread careening OT into some "interesting" territory.

173 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:12:53pm

Nice to see folks are discussing craziness. I spent part of today in Berkeley so I'm kind of ready for it. Speaking of which, if anybody wants to see the Berkeley USMC office with no code pink people (they got bored) or a tree sit update (complete with dumpster muffin - on the ground, she left the trees) they're up [Link: www.protestshooter.com...]

174 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:13:16pm

re: #167 Sharmuta

Speaking of micheal moore and veeps:

Michael Moore’s Dream Ticket: Obama-Kennedy


Indeed- how better to combat the charge of "lacking experience" than to add to your ticket a person who's never stood for office ever? That's just brilliant, mikey.


Mikey needs to lay off the high fructose corn syrup. And the bong water.

175 jaunte  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:13:25pm

re: #168 calcajun

If we stopped paying the subsidy to corn growers and the subsidy to U.S. sugar growers, we would find corn syrup more expensive than sugar to sweeten food with, and the soft drinks would start tasting a lot better.

176 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:13:41pm

re: #170 Dr. Shalit

zombie -

In "the day" I lived "under the radar" - you are in a "League of Your Own!"

I'm waayyyyyy under the radar. I'm even under the sonar!

Aside from my passport, I have no ID of any kind.

177 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:14:25pm

re: #173 protestshooter

Nice to see folks are discussing craziness. I spent part of today in Berkeley so I'm kind of ready for it. Speaking of which, if anybody wants to see the Berkeley USMC office with no code pink people (they got bored) or a tree sit update (complete with dumpster muffin - on the ground, she left the trees) they're up [Link: www.protestshooter.com...]

Did you see them cutting down the tree branches yesterday? I missed it.

178 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:14:36pm

re: #163 zombie

Seriously. For real. No birth certificate.

I also have never seen or owned a Social Security card, or ever gotten any communication from the government regarding Social Security.

I just copy it once a year from last year's 1040 form to the new one. Aside from that, I've never had any use for it. I have no memory of how I ever found out what my number was in the first place.

Mine's taped in my baby scrapbook (SS card, not birth certificate). But I haven't seen it in years - it's quite possible at some point I got the number wrong and have used the same wrong number ever since.

179 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:14:38pm

re: #172 calcajun

Well, I was going to say have offered to let them dominate you, but that would have only sent this thread careening OT into some "interesting" territory.

Always worked for me!

180 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:14:59pm

re: #175 jaunte

If we stopped paying the subsidy to corn growers and the subsidy to U.S. sugar growers, we would find corn syrup more expensive than sugar to sweeten food with, and the soft drinks would start tasting a lot better.

I'll ask you the same question I ask my kids when they pour a glass of OJ or milk to quench their thirst--"What the hell's wrong with water?"

181 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:15:24pm

re: #176 zombie

I'm waayyyyyy under the radar. I'm even under the sonar!

Aside from my passport, I have no ID of any kind.


I've often fantasized about chucking this life and getting a new identity. I have friends who could do that for me, but I have kids so that idea is shot.

Until I retire at least.

182 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:15:37pm

The only way, I guess, this can actually be put to rest is to find the application filed for the birth. Was it by the hospital? What were the procedures of filing when he was born?

I have a friend who was born in Kentucky and her birth certificate was done by the doctor who delivered her. Ohio won't recognize it now. She has to get one from the state of Kentucky.

When my son was born, the hospital totally screwed up in more ways than one. We had to go before a judge to get things (including the spelling of his middle name) straightened out. Because of that, I can only get copies of his birth cert. from the state, not the county in which he was born.

183 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:15:40pm

re: #177 zombie

Did you see them cutting down the tree branches yesterday? I missed it.

They were running some chainsaws but it wasn't very extensive.

184 neocon hippie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:16:42pm

How about the school registration document in Indonesia for Barry Soetoro on this page:

[Link: douglasvgibbs.wordpress.com...]

Is this legit?

185 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:17:00pm

re: #183 protestshooter

They were running some chainsaws but it wasn't very extensive.


Personally, I think it would be fun just to taunt the tree huggers with the chain saws. Wear a "TX Chainsaw Massacre" mask and rev the saw with an attitude.

186 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:17:01pm

Here --his selective service registration number. Certainly anyone could look that number up and confirm it.
August 12, 2008
OBAMA'S DRAFT REGISTRATION: A Pajamas Media investigation puts to rest another rumor claiming Obama is ineligible for the presidency. [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

See Page 2

After contacting the Selective Service System for an answer several times since late June, Pajamas Media obtained official confirmation from the Selective Service System via email that Barack Obama did indeed register for the Selective Service as required by law, and is eligible to run for the presidency.

Mr. Owens,

Barack Hussein Obama registered at a post office in Hawaii. The effective registration date was September 4, 1980.

His registration number is 61-1125539-1.

Daniel Amon
Public Affairs Specialist
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

187 jaunte  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:17:18pm

re: #180 calcajun

Nothing wrong with water, but soft drinks are where the corn syrup gets used..

188 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:18:18pm

re: #178 protestshooter

Mine's taped in my baby scrapbook (SS card, not birth certificate). But I haven't seen it in years - it's quite possible at some point I got the number wrong and have used the same wrong number ever since.

That's what I expect happened to me as well. The Feds take my 1040 money once a year, but aside from that they have nothing whatsoever to do with me! They probably are thinking, "What kind of cockamamie Social Security number is this? It doesn't exist! But hey, if this fool wants to send us money every April 15, we aren't complaining."

189 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:18:27pm

re: #180 calcajun

I'll ask you the same question I ask my kids when they pour a glass of OJ or milk to quench their thirst--"What the hell's wrong with water?"

I usually have water, but I like it real cold, so I keep a lot of ice around. Other than that, I might have a soft drink a month or so unless I'm eating at a restaurant, which isn't often

190 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:18:31pm

re: #187 jaunte

My point. We don't drink soft drinks because of it. My older ones can if they want to use their own money, but we do not keep them in the house--the drinks, that is.

191 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:18:37pm

re: #185 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Personally, I think it would be fun just to taunt the tree huggers with the chain saws. Wear a "TX Chainsaw Massacre" mask and rev the saw with an attitude.

Actually I've seen some of the workers purposfully start a chainsaw and rev it a few times just to freak people out and have them run over. Then they turn it off and smile. After the pee/poo thing the workers really, really dislike the protesters. It was reported in the media that they were throwing it at the cops, which is true, but most of it actually hit the tree trimmer guys.

192 jaunte  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:19:05pm

re: #190 calcajun

I'm a tap water or red wine drinker, pretty much.

193 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:19:16pm

re: #183 protestshooter

They were running some chainsaws but it wasn't very extensive.

After all the screaming and hollering, Dumpster just came down willingly? All that for nothing.

194 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:19:31pm

re: #191 protestshooter

Actually I've seen some of the workers purposfully start a chainsaw and rev it a few times just to freak people out and have them run over. Then they turn it off and smile. After the pee/poo thing the workers really, really dislike the protesters. It was reported in the media that they were throwing it at the cops, which is true, but most of it actually hit the tree trimmer guys.

Those people are just gross...ewww.

195 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:19:56pm

re: #188 zombie

I really wish they'd add at least a checksum digit or something similar - you could still fraud it if you wanted but it would be a lot harder to just make something up on the spot and it would catch errors.

196 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:20:00pm

re: #186 Nancy

Here --his selective service registration number. Certainly anyone could look that number up and confirm it.
August 12, 2008
OBAMA'S DRAFT REGISTRATION: A Pajamas Media investigation puts to rest another rumor claiming Obama is ineligible for the presidency. [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

See Page 2

After contacting the Selective Service System for an answer several times since late June, Pajamas Media obtained official confirmation from the Selective Service System via email that Barack Obama did indeed register for the Selective Service as required by law, and is eligible to run for the presidency.

Mr. Owens,

Barack Hussein Obama registered at a post office in Hawaii. The effective registration date was September 4, 1980.

His registration number is 61-1125539-1.

Daniel Amon
Public Affairs Specialist
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

Ooooh, thanks, let me look at that.

197 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:20:11pm

re: #169 pimp_conservative

Get real. This is a troofer conspiracy theory and nothing more.

BTW, your stats

pimp_conservative

Registered since: Aug 29, 2007 at 6:45 pm
No. of comments posted: 49
No. of links posted: 2

198 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:20:11pm

re: #193 zombie

After all the screaming and hollering, Dumpster just came down willingly? All that for nothing.


She might have run out of pot, or granola. Maybe a birkenstock strap popped?

199 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:20:19pm

Sex and the city - Beijing

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

200 Reno911  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:20:27pm

re: #163 zombie

Were your parents Berkeley hippies? That would explain a lot.

201 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:20:29pm

I hope this birth certificate flap is over. I think it was something to take time away from the real problems with Obama: his love for internationalism and the UN; lack of patriotism, lack of experience, socialist ideas, advisers from the Carter administration, etc.

202 Colonel Panik  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:20:43pm

re: #131 Racer X

Crap.

We're peaking too soon man!

All this bad news on Obama will surely enable Hillary to steal the nomination.

Pace yourselves.

If Hill D. Beast steals the nomination there may be riots in the streets.
Even if there aren't, the anger over it may cause many hope'n'CHEngers to stay home on election day.

Either way we win.

203 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:21:05pm

re: #193 zombie

After all the screaming and hollering, Dumpster just came down willingly? All that for nothing.

Oh, she had some kind of dehydration/exhaustion issue. She's been down for a while. Turned out she had two open warrants for theft - she'd just been hiding out in the tree sit. They let her out of Santa Rita finally and she's usually on the ground with the ground supporters soaking up the attention.

204 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:21:40pm

re: #192 jaunte

Same here--with Scotch/Whisky and some Vodka every now and then (no Russian stuff now).

The irony is that I know people who have had healthy diets and kept fit who died in their early 70's and others who drink and smoke and keep plugging along into their 90's.

205 offendi  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:21:44pm

I would think Obama was well within his rights to not produce his birth certificate under Sharia law. Our future system (not).

As for a Obama-Kennedy ticket, I say no. A global warming is a terrible thing to waste to democrats. I see an Obama-Gore ticket, with much sighing and eye-rolling during the VP debate by Mr. Big Carbon Footprint.

206 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:23:24pm

re: #124 zombie

For example: #3 is: (I am not making this up)...

Ban corn syrup!

LOL...makes fat babies, zom?

207 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:23:26pm

re: #186 Nancy

Well, I guess we'll have to trust Pajamas on this one. The article is a little short on "proof" -- who was that emailer, was it legit, was he telling the truth? etc. -- but if they say so, there's not much more we can do.

208 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:23:51pm

re: #160 tradewind

I think she's easy to beat as president.....but as vice pres, she may make his ticket really strong.
I'd rather see her on top than number two.
Well, not great word choice, but you know what I mean.........

True, but I would rather not have to deal with her, or more specifically her "machine" at all. I don't think BO will put her on the ticket for fear of being "Vince Foster'ed".

209 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:24:08pm

Charles -

Essentially agreed on the Birth Certificate. NOW - Whaddabout the Indonesian School Records? Shows "Barry" as an Indonesian National - Religion - Islam. I know well why it happened - It Was Easier - It Was Indonesia - Islam was the majority religion, in a Patriarchal Society. My PROB-LEM is that Sen. Obama refuses to own up to it. If he did - I would have MORE respect for him - after all he was a MINOR CHILD at the time.

-S-

210 jaunte  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:24:18pm

re: #204 calcajun

Seems to be mostly genetics; my dad's parents didn't do exercise other than toe-touching and hoisting a couple of drinks every night over cards, and they lived to 90's and 102.

211 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:24:36pm

More signs of a nomination stealing?

Clinton to have own floor whips at Dem convention

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's delegates will have their own organizers on the floor of the Democratic National Convention, an unusual move at a convention that is being billed as unified.

These whips, however, will not encourage delegates to vote for Clinton over the presumptive nominee, Barack Obama, Strand said. They also weren't instructed to intervene if Clinton delegates start an anti-Obama protest, she said.

Interesting.

212 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:24:44pm

Moonbat video of Dumpster Muffin leaving the tree and getting arrested:

Youtube Video

213 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:25:21pm

re: #206 jorline

LOL...makes fat babies, zom?

Got your answer in #124...thanks

214 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:25:25pm

re: #200 Reno911

Were your parents Berkeley hippies? That would explain a lot.

My parents were Haitian zombies. I was the only person ever to survive being born dead to dead parents!

215 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:25:29pm

re: #210 jaunte

Sounds like my in-laws. The old man was on the roof adjusting the TV antenna (he liked it better than cable) at 95.

216 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:25:51pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

More signs of a nomination stealing?

Clinton to have own floor whips at Dem convention

Interesting.

Please don't use "Clinton" and "whips" in the same sentence.
Brain bleach!
(I know you didn't write it)

217 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:25:56pm

re: #201 Kosh's Shadow

I hope this birth certificate flap is over. I think it was something to take time away from the real problems with Obama: his love for internationalism and the UN; lack of patriotism, lack of experience, socialist ideas, advisers from the Carter administration, etc.

Agreed. There's so much more about him to be concerned about. I am deeply concerned about his naive elitist socialistic ideology. That can't help but spill over into his decision-making. And as another poster pointed out - if he's made poor judgements in his personal relationships with people, what does that say about his ability to make decisions as President?

Not much.

218 offendi  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:26:18pm

re: #176 zombie

In the future all democratic candidates will have no past, documented, history. Only way they will be able to get elected.

219 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:26:42pm

re: #214 zombie

Hey. Don't knock dead parents. It's an election year-that means in November, the dead will rise and vote--probably for BHO.

220 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:27:14pm

re: #196 zombie

Your welcome.....
I knew I had seen it recently --

Most of these rumors began with the HIllary campaign.

221 calcajun  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:27:40pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

More signs of a nomination stealing?

Clinton to have own floor whips at Dem convention

Interesting.

What about chains and fetters?

222 Colonel Panik  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:27:40pm

re: #171 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Well, that and the armpit hair.

And the leg hair. And the B.O. (and I don't mean Obama.) And the patchouli. And the clove cigarette smoke (gag...)...and the spilled bongwater on the carpet.

223 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:28:59pm

re: #173 protestshooter

The woman in the pic captioned, "Basically people were just killing time" has a strong resemblance to a person I know who would be right at home with that crowd (she's a UC Berkeley Law grad, and an environmental lawyer.) Nice woman, but like so many other Bay Area idealists, a naive and gullible cause-junkie.

224 Colonel Panik  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:29:01pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

More signs of a nomination stealing?

Clinton to have own floor whips at Dem convention

Interesting.

They will be known as "Hildie's Beasts".

225 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:29:11pm
226 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:30:07pm

re: #221 calcajun

The link for that's on another thread, I believe.

227 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:30:09pm

re: #223 mikalm

The woman in the pic captioned, "Basically people were just killing time" has a strong resemblance to a person I know who would be right at home with that crowd (she's a UC Berkeley Law grad, and an environmental lawyer.) Nice woman, but like so many other Bay Area idealists, a naive and gullible cause-junkie.

I think that's Marcella Sadlowski but I'm not positive.

228 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:30:20pm

re: #188 zombie

thats so bizzare, as for me, uncle sam has asked me every couple of years to prove who i am, that i'm married to same man i've been married to for 15 years, send copies of birth and marriage several times. i don't get it.

229 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:31:42pm

re: #207 zombie

I agree they were short on actual evidence and it would have been too vague if there had not been an actual registration number.

230 jaunte  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:31:44pm

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

I just don't like paying taxes to subsidize both cane sugar and corn syrup.

231 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:32:21pm

re: #215 calcajun

"cal" -

G-d Bless Your DAD for being wiling to get "on the roof" to adjust the antenna. Comes 2/19/2009, His TV will be OB-SO-LETE. Please - get your Dad to apply for the $40.00 card so he can have TV on 2/20/2009 - HE DESERVES IT, 'CAUSE HE EARNED IT!

-S-

232 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:32:35pm
233 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:33:43pm

re: #227 protestshooter

I think that's Marcella Sadlowski but I'm not positive.

You know the players in that little drama-queen production far better than I do, so you're probably right. Too, my acquaintance the lawyer is a bit too New-Agey to spend much time with a bunch of rage-addicted Berkeley crusties.

234 jaunte  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:34:40pm

re: #232 buzzsawmonkey

Well, it is easier to blame corn syrup than computers, tv and willpower for lack of exercise/fat/health problems.

235 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:35:27pm

Dumpster Muffin? Anything like a Muffin-top?

236 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:35:52pm

re: #204 calcajun

Same here--with Scotch/Whisky and some Vodka every now and then (no Russian stuff now).

The irony is that I know people who have had healthy diets and kept fit who died in their early 70's and others who drink and smoke and keep plugging along into their 90's.

I always think of George Burns, who drank three Martinis and smoked four cigars every day of his adult life until he died at age 101, saying through a cloud of cigar smoke: "...my doctor said I have to give up smoking and drinking- he's dead now."

The secret to longevity is a healthy spirit- laughter helps too...

237 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:36:01pm

You can eat whatever the hell you want as long as you metabolize it. Anyone check out what Michael Phelps eats? His caloric intake per day is about 8 times that of my own.

238 Tigger2005  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:36:02pm

He's a U.S. citizen, but he's not an American.

239 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:36:53pm

re: #212 protestshooter

Moonbat video of Dumpster Muffin leaving the tree and getting arrested: [Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thanks for that.

What a drama queen. She spends six months in the trees, and then the police are accused of torturing her by "denying her medical attention" for about 30 additional seconds while they search her for weapons. The entire thing is a pitiable sham.

240 Colonel Panik  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:37:02pm

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

The lowdown on High Fructose Corn Syrup controversies on wiki.

Seems like the jury may be out on the health effects but I think it doesn't taste as good as real sugar.

I like going to the truck stops on the rez, where you can get Mexican bottled Coca Cola that tastes like Coke did when I was a kid because they use real cane sugar. Still comes in the old green tinted glass bottles too.

241 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:37:10pm

re: #228 willowone

thats so bizzare, as for me, uncle sam has asked me every( couple of years) to prove who i am, that i'm married to same man i've been married to for 15 years, send copies of birth and marriage several times. i don't get it.

sorry that is every few years.

242 WhiteRasta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:37:27pm

He may be a US Citizen, but he lives on another planet.

243 Colonel Panik  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:38:12pm

re: #242 WhiteRasta

He may be a US Citizen, but he lives on another planet.

Are you talking about Obama or Kucinich?

244 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:39:06pm

Here is something that will have a bigger impact on your life -

Karmic's Berry Tart (modification from an Alsatian recipe) -

For a 10 inch tart ...

Crust:
1 1/2 Tablespoon Sour Cream
1 1/2 Tablespoon Rum
1 Stick unsalted butter
1 Cup flour
1/4 Sugar

Combine crust ingredients in a mixer at a low speed. Add some finely grated lemon rind (just the out most, colored layer) for zest if you like.

Wrap the resulting dough ball in saran wrap and put it in the fridge for an hour or so - it will make it easier to roll out.

Filling:

2 Cups of berries. I generally use raspberries and blueberries, but use blackberries, Logan berries or whatever you like in any combination.

3/4 cup sugar
1 Tablespoon sour cream
Splash of Rum (yes - I like Rum. That and the sour cream are the ingredients that are standard in Alsace.)

Be careful mixing the filling - you want to avoid breaking the skins of the berries, but it isn't a big deal if you do. It tastes the same, but you get presentation points for whole berries (the lower berries in the pan will break from the baking). Don't over mix.

Roll out the dough on a lightly floured board to about a 12 inch diameter circle (10 inches plus 1 inch depth on each side). Roll it wider if you are unsure and cut off the excess when you get it in the tart pan. If you blow it re roll. Just be aware that as you work the dough it will warm up and get stickier. If it becomes unworkable, put it back in the fridge and try again later.

When you have the crust in the tart pan, simply pour in the filling and cook it - 375 for 30-40 minutes. A lightly golden crust is what you are looking for - at least that is how folks like it in the Karmic Lair.

Serve cool or cold.

245 Reno911  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:39:12pm

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

I would imagine the hate has something to do with human blood sugar levels.

Corn syrup is a complex sugar and therefore more difficult to "process" by the body. That probably leads to higher than normal blood sugar levels and the attendant complications.

/Not a doctor. So i probably got this all wrong.

246 jaunte  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:39:13pm

re: #237 rawmuse

I'll bet he's taking in a relatively huge amount of corn syrup, too. So it probably doesn't hurt anything if you burn it off.

247 Carridine  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:39:24pm

re: #236 CIA Reject

Second your observation about living a laughter-inducing and high-quality life, CIA... if WORRYING and ANGST and hand-wringing and ANGER could guarantee never passing to the next world, I STILL wouldn't indulge...

Imagine, being angry and worried and upset, here, FOREVER!

/Pass... "God LOVES laughter!" :D

248 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:39:32pm

re: #233 mikalm

Yeah, you have to be a special kind of person to really be hanging out during the work week when nothing is really happening there. I only made it because I could swing by on my way to someplace else.

249 WhiteRasta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:39:35pm

re: #243 Colonel Panik

Yes!

250 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:40:11pm

Born free, the result of hippie sex, no birth certificate required,
Until the Man said he needed an SSN before he could be hired.

/counterculture epitaph

251 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:40:23pm

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

OK, I have to say that I don't get the hate on for corn syrup. Sucrose--i.e., cane sugar--is a more complex sugar than fructose (which, after all, comes to us in fruit), and fructose is therefore more easily digested (i.e., broken down for use) by the body.

So what's the problem with corn syrup, aside from the fact that Coke tastes better when it has cane sugar--and that it gets put in too many things? Neither of these objections, I hasten to point out, has anything to do with corn syrup per se.

I agree. Corn syrup is bascially just a cheap sweetener. If they used something else, food would simply cost a little more. What's the alternative: Ban sweetness? Have all food be tasteless and bland? What about natural sweetness? Ban fruit? Ban anything with fructose?

I await the Federal Food Police arresting us for eating a grape.

252 MacGregor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:40:28pm

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

Sex and the city - Beijing

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Olympic sex - oh wowie. Too bad you need an olympic athlete pass to get into the village! Wait, this thread is giving me an idea...

253 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:40:29pm

re: #239 zombie

Thanks for that.

What a drama queen. She spends six months in the trees, and then the police are accused of torturing her by "denying her medical attention" for about 30 additional seconds while they search her for weapons. The entire thing is a pitiable sham.

It's a total joke. My favorite is when they scream to make it sound like they're being tortured or something and to get the supporters all worked up, but then their own video shows there's absolutely nothing going on except them standing there screaming.

254 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:41:05pm

re: #228 willowone

thats so bizzare, as for me, uncle sam has asked me every couple of years to prove who i am, that i'm married to same man i've been married to for 15 years, send copies of birth and marriage several times. i don't get it.

You're kidding. Why? What is their justification?

255 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:41:11pm

OT, but since this thread has stalled, is there any Vicksburg Lizards out there tonight? I ask as I will be going there on Sept 7th for three weeks and would like some info on the area.

256 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:41:33pm

re: #239 zombie

And don't forget the outstanding-warrants angle. Although a true cynic might say that was part of her motivation in her six-month sit: to "hide in plain sight," under a pseudonym, literally out of the reach of the law, with activism as a cover.

257 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:42:05pm

re: #247 Carridine

Second your observation about living a laughter-inducing and high-quality life, CIA... if WORRYING and ANGST and hand-wringing and ANGER could guarantee never passing to the next world, I STILL wouldn't indulge...

Imagine, being angry and worried and upset, here, FOREVER!

/Pass... "God LOVES laughter!" :D

AMEN Carridine, AMEN!

I haven't seen you here much lately, I hope all is well with you and yours.

258 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:42:11pm
259 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:42:32pm

re: #240 Colonel Panik

That's why folks will also stock up on kosher for passover Coke because it's made with sugar, not corn syrup. That's what I do (not close enough to Mexico here in the NYC metro area to hop over the border and get the the genuine stuff year round).

260 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:42:34pm

re: #209 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

Essentially agreed on the Birth Certificate. NOW - Whaddabout the Indonesian School Records? Shows "Barry" as an Indonesian National - Religion - Islam. I know well why it happened - It Was Easier - It Was Indonesia - Islam was the majority religion, in a Patriarchal Society. My PROB-LEM is that Sen. Obama refuses to own up to it. If he did - I would have MORE respect for him - after all he was a MINOR CHILD at the time.

-S-

But, wasn't it a Catholic school?

261 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:42:51pm

re: #253 protestshooter

It's a total joke. My favorite is when they scream to make it sound like they're being tortured or something and to get the supporters all worked up, but then their own video shows there's absolutely nothing going on except them standing there screaming.

I used to do that...when I was two years old.

262 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:42:57pm

re: #252 MacGregor

Olympic sex - oh wowie. Too bad you need an olympic athlete pass to get into the village! Wait, this thread is giving me an idea...

Too bad you need to train for a hundred years and get a hard-body like those folks.

263 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:42:58pm

no idea, they just always need verification, maybe because i kept my previous married name because of children?

264 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:43:25pm

re: #116 zombie

I just got the new Michael Moore book "Mike's Election Guide 2008." In it, he lists the top ten things Obama must do in his first week in office. #1 is: Reinstate the draft!

You may be scratching your head: hunh? Why would he suggest that? In Mikey's own words: Because doing so would cause riots in the streets and make people demand an end to the Iraq War!

/high-quality strategist, that Michael Moore is, yessirree.

Charlie Rangel, D-NY, beat him to that punch by MONTHS if not YEARS.

I'm all for it...I'm 45...married...five kids...starting to have aches and pains and old guy "issues"...draft me?...feed me?...I get to do violent things in interesting places? I'm IN, and I want Mikey and Charlie in MY unit.

265 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:43:57pm

re: #256 mikalm

And don't forget the outstanding-warrants angle. Although a true cynic might say that was part of her motivation in her six-month sit: to "hide in plain sight," under a pseudonym, literally out of the reach of the law, with activism as a cover.

Oh, but the trees changed her. Really. For sure. Honest. The part where the police couldn't touch her and people brought her food was just a coincidence. And the fact that she claimed to have a medical condition and be taken to a friendly hospital, (where she could run) and got upset when they brought her to another hospital and kept her until they checked for outstanding warrants is just a coincidence too.

(anybody who wants to verify this stuff - the daily cal's had the best coverage [Link: www.dailycal.org...] )

266 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:44:00pm

re: #256 mikalm

And don't forget the outstanding-warrants angle. Although a true cynic might say that was part of her motivation in her six-month sit: to "hide in plain sight," under a pseudonym, literally out of the reach of the law, with activism as a cover.

I think you hit the nail on the head. That's my theory too.

267 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:44:10pm

re: #252 MacGregor

Olympic sex - oh wowie...

Wasn't that a Monty Python sketch?

268 Carridine  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:44:29pm

re: #251 zombie

I await the Federal Food Police arresting us for eating a grape

. Then awaiting extradition to the Thought Police for ENJOYING the sensuous, mouthy deliciousness of that grape!

269 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:45:10pm

re: #209 Dr. Shalit

Exactly............I spent some time in Indonesia. It was convenience and culture and even though bending the truth on his parents part --certainly nothing he is responsible for.

Under Indonesian law, the child is declared the nationality of the father. It was probably just "assumed" that he was his stepfather's natural son.

270 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:45:38pm

re: #267 CIA Reject

Olympic sex - oh wowie... Wasn't that a Monty Python sketch?

No, that sketch was "Limping sex."

271 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:45:58pm

I purchase all my sugar sweetened soft drinks at The Soda Pop Stop in Los Angeles. Excellent selection of beers too.

272 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:46:02pm

re: #251 zombie

I agree. Corn syrup is bascially just a cheap sweetener. If they used something else, food would simply cost a little more. What's the alternative: Ban sweetness? Have all food be tasteless and bland? What about natural sweetness? Ban fruit? Ban anything with fructose?

I await the Federal Food Police arresting us for eating a grape.


Under the dictatorship of the proletariat, we will all enjoy perfectly healthful food distributed in a most equitable manner, comrade!

/Like it is done in North Korea

273 MacGregor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:46:31pm

re: #262 Walter L. Newton

... a hard-body like those folks.

Gah! There goes my plan!

274 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:46:36pm

re: #268 Carridine

. Then awaiting extradition to the Thought Police for ENJOYING the sensuous, mouthy deliciousness of that grape!

The Sensation Police will sentence us to 18 months in Camp Pain for having experienced too much pleasure!

275 Reno911  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:46:37pm

re: #258 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, but your body prefers Glucose. The simplest sugar of them all.

/father of a type I diabetic.

276 stevieray  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:46:50pm

re: #270 Walter L. Newton

No, that sketch was "Limping sex."

Limpet sex... starring Don Knotts.

277 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:47:12pm
278 MacGregor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:47:40pm

re: #267 CIA Reject

Wasn't that a Monty Python sketch?

SNL Chris Walken as Continental man?

Wowie wow!

279 protestshooter  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:47:41pm

Here's a local paper's discussion of the warrants if anybody's really curious: [Link: www.berkeleydailyplanet.com...]

It's really funny and worth reading.

I'm off to dinner! Have fun everybody!

280 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:47:52pm
281 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:47:57pm

re: #277 buzzsawmonkey

What's really sad is that you don't get to see the athletes competing in the sex event, and no medals are awarded for it.

I'm debating whether or not I should post a picture.

Votes? Yes or no?

282 Carridine  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:48:06pm

re: #274 zombie

Camp PAIN?

/I'm off to teach a class, Zomboid One... hmmm.... what was that about 'Camp Pain'? :D

bbiaw

283 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:48:14pm

re: #276 stevieray

Limpet sex... starring Don Knotts.

I thought of that too, but I considered that the reference was too obscure. There is a lot of us very sick Lizards out there.

284 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:48:16pm

re: #267 CIA Reject

Wasn't that a Monty Python sketch?

No, but they did Olympic Hide and Seek

285 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:48:23pm
286 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:48:29pm

Hello, everyone get the word on the last thread? Across the street from Obama is a synagogue, with a minaret, it was a 1920s thing. The NOI mosque is at 47th and Woodlawn.

287 indythinker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:48:31pm

I'm not a birth certificate troofer. I have called again and again for the Obama campaign to allow respected media people access to the document. Now they have. Now there is actually reason to believe we won't have a constitutional crisis on the easily resolved issue of where he was born if Obama wins.

This issue is over.

Next issue!

288 Colonel Panik  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:48:58pm

re: #249 WhiteRasta

Yes!

If Obama is elected, Kucinich will be appointed as our ambassador to Zeta Reticuli.

289 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:49:15pm

re: #281 zombie

I'm debating whether or not I should post a picture.

Votes? Yes or no?

Yes (oh come on, do you really have to ask). Talk about a loaded poll.

290 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:49:54pm

re: #271 Racer X

I purchase all my sugar sweetened soft drinks at The Soda Pop Stop in Los Angeles. Excellent selection of beers too.

It was good until I got to this:

Note to California Residents:

Proposition 65 Warning: Some Painted Labels and/or Products Sold on this Website May Contain Cadmium and/or Lead Which Is Known to the State of California to Cause Cancer, Birth Defects and Other Reproductive Harm.

291 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:50:06pm

So, Obama's taunting us with who might be his VP selection (as per Drudge headline).

Here's a hint.

Whoever it is will have more experience for the office of the President than Obama does.

Of course, that's not saying much since pretty much anyone off the street will have more experience than Obama, but still.

292 MacGregor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:50:26pm

re: #277 buzzsawmonkey

What's really sad is that you don't get to see the athletes competing in the sex event, and no medals are awarded for it.

I'm sure the chicoms will get a good show on closed circuit!

293 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:50:32pm

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

I thought of that too, but I considered that the reference was too obscure. There is a lot of us very sick Lizards out there.

I got it...as a kid, one of my favorite movies, and they often showed it at the local theater cheap matinee (couple old movies and some cartoons).

294 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:51:00pm

re: #288 Colonel Panik

If Obama is elected, Kucinich will be appointed as our ambassador to Zeta Reticuli.

Do the aliens there want to serve Man? If so, we should include Michael Moore.

295 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:51:04pm

re: #171 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

That's a problem too.

296 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:51:16pm

re: #290 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Yeah we are a bit crazy here in California. I inhale more lead each day than I could get in soft drinks.

/overkill

297 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:51:21pm

re: #293 OldLineTexan

I got it...as a kid, one of my favorite movies, and they often showed it at the local theater cheap matinee (couple old movies and some cartoons).

No.. no... no... I was not suggesting it was my favorite movie... no way... don't even go there :)

298 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:51:32pm

re: #285 buzzsawmonkey

When in doubt, put it out!

You asked for it!

I present:

The Sex Olympics!

(Authentic 1974 photo from the Netherlands.)

Semi-NSFW, but not really.

I have a photo for literally every occasion.

299 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:05pm

re: #266 zombie

You've no doubt heard of the Rainbow Gatherings? I was once told by a "Rainbow" that both the national and the regional ones are often used as cover by wanted criminals, who hide under colorful pseudonyms, eat for free, and fall in with mobile clans in the subculture so they can keep moving. It also helps that the Rainbows are pacifists who silently tolerate theft, and use nothing stronger than ineffectual shunning tactics against known miscreants in their ranks.

300 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:20pm

re: #297 Walter L. Newton

ROTFL, OK, Walter, no prob!

301 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:26pm

re: #298 zombie

Who came in first?

302 stevieray  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:52:36pm

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

I thought of that too, but I considered that the reference was too obscure. There is a lot of us very sick Lizards out there.

A few months ago, a thread in here degenerated into an Incredible Mr. Limpet snarkfest. I think half of the lizards own a bootleg copy of that classic. Weird folks indeed!

303 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:53:08pm

Two reasons that Obama didn't just wave the real birth certificate at the press when first asked:
1. Intended to create a red herring to distract from real scandals and to discredit critical bloggers.
2. He is so disorganized and incompetent that his campaign did not know how to respond.
3. They are so arrogant they do not feel a need to respond.

OK there are three three things that people fear about the Spanish Inquisition...

304 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:53:40pm

re: #260 razorbacker

Yes, he attended both --an Islamic school and a Catholic school. I don't recall which was first.

Again, the public school system in Indonesia even today isn't exactly high quality. It is NOT uncommon for non-Catholics who can afford tuition to send their children to the Catholic schools there.

Indonesia also requires declaring a religion --on all official documents or registration forms. And they only recognize 5 religions!

305 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:54:19pm

re: #299 mikalm

You've no doubt heard of the Rainbow Gatherings? I was once told by a "Rainbow" that both the national and the regional ones are often used as cover by wanted criminals, who hide under colorful pseudonyms, eat for free, and fall in with mobile clans in the subculture so they can keep moving. It also helps that the Rainbows are pacifists who silently tolerate theft, and use nothing stronger than ineffectual shunning tactics against known miscreants in their ranks.

Innnteresting. I'd heard of them, but never knew they were a cover for criminals on the lam! Though, actually, I've always assumed that such people have inevitably broken some law or another, so they're probably all on the lam.

306 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:54:29pm

re: #276 stevieray

The Incredible Mr. Limpet

307 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:54:32pm

OT

These two are a couple of dumb shits.

"I just wanted to put out some good news," Dyer told Joanna Massee of WGCL-TV. "People are upset with the war and stuff — what's so bad about Bigfoot? Nobody got hurt."

"It got into something much bigger than it was supposed to be," Whitton told Winne. "It started off as just some YouTube videos and a Web site. ... We're all about having fun."

A little joke that got out of hand...yes we did extort 50K...but...you know it was a joke.

308 zombie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:54:48pm

re: #301 Racer X

Who came in first?

309 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:55:31pm

Ok, I promised myself to watch National Treasure Two last night, and I didn't. So, the sun has gone down (or the mountains got higher) and I am going to get a snack at Walgreens and then watch the movie.

My be back after the flick.

310 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:56:10pm

re: #247 Carridine

Second your observation about living a laughter-inducing and high-quality life, CIA... if WORRYING and ANGST and hand-wringing and ANGER could guarantee never passing to the next world, I STILL wouldn't indulge...

Imagine, being angry and worried and upset, here, FOREVER!

/Pass... "God LOVES laughter!" :D

"Carridine" -

I certainly CAN IMAGINE being "P.O.'d" - 24/7/365 or 366. Like the Late Great RONALDUS MAXIMUS - I Used to be a "Progressive Democrat." 'Nuff said.

-S-

311 Reno911  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:57:07pm

OT

This freaking TS Fay has been spinning directly over me all day. Starting to piss me off.

Get thee behind me, Fay!

312 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:57:10pm

re: #309 Walter L. Newton

Don't bother. The script was written for 16 years olds, and it was so bad, it may have even been written by them...

313 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:57:55pm

re: #312 rawmuse

Don't bother. The script was written for 16 years olds, and it was so bad, it may have even been written by them...

Bad, that made bad look good.

314 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:58:18pm

re: #251 zombie

I agree. Corn syrup is bascially just a cheap sweetener. If they used something else, food would simply cost a little more. What's the alternative: Ban sweetness? Have all food be tasteless and bland? What about natural sweetness? Ban fruit? Ban anything with fructose?

I await the Federal Food Police arresting us for eating a grape.

Don't give them any ideas!

315 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:58:31pm

re: #308 zombie
You in the movies?

316 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:59:10pm
317 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:59:42pm

re: #307 jorline

I suspected this had to do with too much alcohol and "wouldn't it be funny if..."

And considering the group that paid them, I say, "let them keep the money." Caveat emptor.

318 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 6:59:59pm

re: #288 Colonel Panik

If Obama is elected, Kucinich will be appointed as our ambassador to Zeta Reticuli.

"C-P" -

Send Kucinich - As Ambassador - TO ZIMBABWE. Like "DOH!"

-s-

319 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:00:16pm

We have been using a sweetener called Stevia lately. We got it at Trader Joe's. No sugar, no calories. Seems to be pretty good. It is an herbal extract, I think. I made a beverage of lime juice, green tea, and Stevia last night. Very enjoyable, over ice.

320 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:00:16pm

re: #209 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

Essentially agreed on the Birth Certificate. NOW - Whaddabout the Indonesian School Records? Shows "Barry" as an Indonesian National - Religion - Islam. I know well why it happened - It Was Easier - It Was Indonesia - Islam was the majority religion, in a Patriarchal Society. My PROB-LEM is that Sen. Obama refuses to own up to it. If he did - I would have MORE respect for him - after all he was a MINOR CHILD at the time.

-S-

From Ace of Spades. Maybe he's joking.

AP Photo Caption] 19 months ago: This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam.(AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)

321 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:00:22pm

Burn Notice is on!

322 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:00:35pm

re: #284 Kosh's Shadow

No, but they did Olympic Hide and Seek

LOL! Now I remember that! And there's also the Public Service announcement on How Not To Be Seen.

323 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:00:59pm

re: #316 buzzsawmonkey

Not a surprise. The demimonde of gay bars/discos was always a haven for drug dealers, whores and thieves. It's no surprise that criminals would find other subcultures where they could hide out.

For that matter, it is more or less the plot of the Mick Jagger/James Fox film Performance.

Smarter criminals just cut to the chase and go directly into government, sometimes as police.

324 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:12pm

re: #312 rawmuse

It had one redeeming feature: it didn't take itself seriously.

OK, two. I like Nicholas Cage.

325 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:20pm
326 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:25pm

Correction: it is 6 now not 5 ........

I believe Confucianism was one concession made to the Chinese Indonesians in the last decade.

The government, however, officially only recognises six religions, namely Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism.

327 WhiteRasta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:01:45pm

re: #307 jorline

A fool and his money.........I find it hard to believe anyone with an IQ over 10 could be so easily conned.

The dolt deserves to be scammed.

No sympathy here.

328 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:02:40pm

re: #317 Dianna

I suspected this had to do with too much alcohol and "wouldn't it be funny if..."

And considering the group that paid them, I say, "let them keep the money." Caveat emptor.

LMAO...I agree, if your stupid enough to pay the money.

329 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:03:14pm

re: #319 rawmuse

I don't eat Fructose corn syrup, refined sugar or sweetener substitutes. Try to give them up for a week and then eat a tangerine. It's fantastic!

330 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:03:38pm

re: #326 Nancy

Correction: it is 6 now not 5 ........

I believe Confucianism was one concession made to the Chinese Indonesians in the last decade.

The government, however, officially only recognises six religions, namely Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism.


Interesting that they do not recognize Judaism as being the religion of people of the book,. Denying it exists is heresy in Islam I thought.

331 MacGregor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:03:47pm

Christopher Walken - The Continental

332 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:03:59pm

Who owns the record for most number of Time magazine covers in ONE year?


one guess

333 WhiteRasta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:04:24pm

re: #328 jorline

When allah sends you a fool, take his money and go on your way, praising allah. For allah is great.

334 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:04:58pm

re: #332 Racer X

Who owns the record for most number of Time magazine covers in ONE year?

one guess


FDR?

335 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:05:35pm

re: #332 Racer X

Who owns the record for most number of Time magazine covers in ONE year?


one guess

Algore?

336 WhiteRasta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:05:51pm

re: #334 lifeofthemind

Richard Nixon?

337 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:05:56pm

re: #326 Nancy

Correction: it is 6 now not 5 ........

I believe Confucianism was one concession made to the Chinese Indonesians in the last decade.

The government, however, officially only recognises six religions, namely Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism.

IIR the ChiCom government does not allow the "official" Chinese Catholic Church to affirm the authority of the Pope.

Making it, strictly speaking, not really "Catholic" at all...

338 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:05pm

Aren't there plagiarism issues if a blog were to simply post the same material (verbatim) on a very similar URL?
/Just askin'

339 Sol Roth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:23pm

re: #332 Racer X

Who owns the record for most number of Time magazine covers in ONE year?


one guess

Osama Bin Laden, Beelzebub, Bucocky Obama, The Larch

Oh wait a minute, you said just one.

340 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:06:29pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

yes

341 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:07:03pm

re: #340 lawhawk

That's what I thought too.

342 HDrepub  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:07:07pm

re: #332 Racer X

Who owns the record for most number of Time magazine covers in ONE year?


one guess


Barak Hussein Obama

343 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:08:08pm

re: #325 buzzsawmonkey

OK, I want to know more about:

The triathalon;

The freestyle;

The sprint;

High- and low- muff diving;

The pole vault;

oh, I can't go on.

And the scores are in...

Lane #4....technical merit scores are...

6.5 7.0 7.0 6.5 9.0 8.0 7.5

344 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:08:19pm

re: #330 lifeofthemind

Maybe there were never enough Jews to really make it worth recognizing them as an "official" group (and consequently, another potential block of supporters).

Contrast this with post-USSR Russia, which officially recognizes five religions: Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, "Russian Protestantism" (the indigenous Baptists), Judaism, and Islam.

345 WhiteRasta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:08:30pm

re: #342 HDrepub

Well, color me stunned!

Feather me down with a knock!

346 neocon hippie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:39pm

I went to a concert at the Greek Theatre on Saturday night, thus wandered passed the tree-sitter support encampment. The area around the trees has been fenced in so the support camp has been moved across the street. Real fringey down-and-out energy, real dirty looking folks, people crashed on the front lawns of the buildings, bulletin boards covered with announcements. Kind of a whiter, younger, superficially hipper version of Market Street.

I took a picture of the GORE WON license plate on Protest Shooter's page back on 5/24/04 somewhere in Oak-Berk. Hadn't seen it since.

347 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:39pm

Omigawd. Astoundingly stupid moonbat story of the day, from Michelle Malkin: anti-Rove telephone service!

When you pay your mobile phone bill each month, you probably don’t give a lot of thought to where your money goes. But given what’s going on in Washington these days, maybe you should.

Congress has finally started the process of holding Karl Rove — a.k.a. “Bush’s Brain” — accountable for his blatant (and possibly illegal) politicization of the Justice Department. All we can say to that is, it’s about time. (1)

But you probably weren’t aware that your mobile phone company may be among those that helped fund Rove’s rise to power, or advance his dream of a “permanent Republican majority.” Are you comfortable supporting that kind of company?

She says it's for real.

348 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:41pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

I'm not a lawyer, but it would seem to me that the answer to that would definitely be yes.

Why?

349 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:44pm

re: #314 Dianna

Don't give them any ideas!


hey Diana!
You can get any level of sweetness with 0 calories in our modern world.
I know.. I'm the only guy here that believes that sugar and all forms of it..( high fracture ) of it hurts people..so be it.
I know people can eat whatever they want..but sugar and all forms are bad..
Stupid Hoopster isn't very smart....I love you lizards..time for bed.

350 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:44pm

re: #332 Racer X

Who owns the record for most number of Time magazine covers in ONE year?


one guess

Obama...seven in 2008

351 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:46pm

Dinner time. I might bbiaw. If not, I will try to get on tomorrow on the dead thread. That reminds me. What ever happened to the Early Morning Open?

352 Daybrother  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:09:48pm

It's clear that the future President Obama used the secret DIA time machine in NW DC to send this high quality forgery back to fool the populace. Next thing you know, he'll stop on the way back and choose Bayh instead of Hillary to avoid that whole investigation of Bill in 2010 that brought down his government after the India-Pakistan nuclear exchange.

353 geata  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:10:51pm

The NYT will accept an op-ed from Gorbachec, but not from McCain. Go figure.

354 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:11:03pm

re: #348 Dianna

There's a stalker site plagiarizing LGF.

355 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:11:18pm

re: #346 neocon hippie

I heard a recording of the sweet whine of the chainsaws this morning!

356 WhiteRasta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:11:21pm

re: #353 geata

And you are surprised?

357 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:11:55pm

re: #320 razorbacker

The bottom section I am sure is true.

His mother and stepfather were "lying" to avoid the paperwork, red tape and additional costs. It does not mean he actually was a citizen or for that matter even Muslim only that his stepfather SAID he was.

358 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:12:09pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

There's a stalker site plagiarizing LGF.

And nic jacking people too.

359 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:12:25pm

re: #337 CIA Reject

IIR the ChiCom government does not allow the "official" Chinese Catholic Church to affirm the authority of the Pope.

Making it, strictly speaking, not really "Catholic" at all...

Actually, "Catholic" doesn't necessarily mean Papal. The Eastern Orthodox refer to themselves as the true "Holy Apostolic Catholic Church," and there's a faction within Anglicanism that sees itself as the third branch of the One Church, along with Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Too, there are the "Old Catholic" churches of Europe and elsewhere, which split with the Vatican over the Papal pronunciations of 1870-71, yet still maintain apostolic succession, the Mass, and other "Catholic" usages.

/comparative-religion trivia mode off

360 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:12:34pm

re: #351 Bubblehead II

Charles went to bed without posting one?

361 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:12:52pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

There's a stalker site plagiarizing LGF.

Ayup.

362 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:13:09pm

re: #358 Sharmuta

And nic jacking people too.

And, lying.

363 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:13:14pm
364 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:13:29pm

re: #362 MandyManners

All around pathetic.

365 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:13:41pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Oh, dear. Not another one!

Well, I assume you've reported it to Charles.

366 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:14:42pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

There's a stalker site plagiarizing LGF.

I've seen it.

367 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:14:59pm

re: #362 MandyManners

Nic-jacking? Oooh!

Am I represented, or have they ignored me? I know you were, of course, but was it funny?

368 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:15:00pm

Meanwhile, I research the important questions. Is it called pop or coke? It depends.

Ya wanna stay out of the border counties. Bad juju. Man could get hurt asking for the wrong soft drink.

369 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:15:16pm

re: #358 Sharmuta

And nic jacking people too.

I've seen that too.

370 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:15:21pm

re: #365 Dianna

Yeah, he knows.


re: #358 Sharmuta

It's pretty obvious he's just talking to himself in the comments.

371 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:15:37pm

re: #350 jorline

So, we're about 32 weeks into the year, and he's got 8 covers? 25% of the covers for the year so far have Obama on them?

Nice.

372 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:15:54pm

re: #358 Sharmuta

And nic jacking people too.

but do they have cool avatars and a top ten list?

373 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:16:21pm

This year so far coolest for at least 5 years: WMO

I just want to say congratulations to everyone! Without your heroic efforts in reducing greenhouse gas emissions we would all be melted or drowned by now. Thanks to you, the polar bears are making a dramatic recovery!

Fantastic job everyone!

Go Green!

374 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:16:47pm

re: #330 lifeofthemind

Apparently, Indonesia doesn't go by the "book" --

There were once Jews in Indonesia though. Iraqi Jews. As far as I know --there are about a dozen left in Surabaya. They are left alone --too small a number to bother with but they do have a Synagogue. OK, a building they call one!

375 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:17:10pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

It's pathetic.

376 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:17:33pm
377 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:17:43pm

re: #363 buzzsawmonkey

"Plagiarism" is not actionable.

Copyright infringement is actionable.

Is naming your blog the same as this with a "2" tacked on infringement?

378 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:17:43pm

re: #367 Dianna

Nic-jacking? Oooh!

Am I represented, or have they ignored me? I know you were, of course, but was it funny?


Hey, is this why I couldnt log in yesterday and had to re-set my password?

379 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:18:06pm

re: #362 MandyManners

And, lying.

I bet none of them are saying "piss up a rope" with your zest Mandy.
Some things just can't be duplicated.

;)

380 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:18:43pm

re: #359 mikalm

Actually, "Catholic" doesn't necessarily mean Papal. The Eastern Orthodox refer to themselves as the true "Holy Apostolic Catholic Church," and there's a faction within Anglicanism that sees itself as the third branch of the One Church, along with Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Too, there are the "Old Catholic" churches of Europe and elsewhere, which split with the Vatican over the Papal pronunciations of 1870-71, yet still maintain apostolic succession, the Mass, and other "Catholic" usages.

/comparative-religion trivia mode off

True enough, but once again IIR, the Catholic church in China was established by Maryknoll missionaries who were and still are are Roman Catholics. What I meant by my original post was that the ChiComs have subverted that church from it's original foundations.

I did not mean to start a discussion on the various sects of Catholicism.

But thanks for pointing out the facts of the matter.

381 geata  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:18:58pm

re: #356 WhiteRasta

And you are surprised?

No, but I'm just sayin'

382 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:19:07pm

re: #375 Sharmuta

Stalking - especially on a blog or across blogs - is pretty pathetic, yes. Actually creating a stalker blog...I think that enters the realm of obsessive compulsive disorder, and should be treated with compassion and a referral to a mental health professional.

383 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:19:23pm
384 WhiteRasta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:19:27pm

re: #373 Racer X

I posted this earlier, but I'll do it again. Just for fun.

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Mother Giiaa does have a sense of humor.

Global warming torch relay canceled, due to cold weather......

385 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:19:34pm

re: #372 jorline

but do they have cool avatars and a top ten list?

Jorline, Hi, how are you doing tonight? Feeling OK?

check your e-mail when you get a chance.

386 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:19:35pm

re: #372 jorline

Thre's no top ten list, but it's pretty clear they have mental issues.

387 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:20:05pm

re: #375 Sharmuta

It's pathetic.

yes indeedy.

388 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:20:09pm

re: #378 A Kiwi Infidel

No clue. Probably not. Technical hiccups and hamster rebellions explain a lot.

389 faraway  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:20:55pm

Now, Lord Obama, tell me about that other vacation you took. Not the one in Hawaii, but the one for 3 weeks in Pakistan before you went to Columbia Univ.

The one where you stopped calling yourself Barry afterwards.

The where you started fasting aftewards.

The one you didn't mention in either of the 2 complete books about yourself.

390 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:21:09pm

re: #375 Sharmuta

It's pathetic.

Who is the loser behind it?

391 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:21:15pm

re: #383 buzzsawmonkey

Just don't tell Ann Rice.

Grrrr.

392 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:21:28pm

re: #380 CIA Reject

OIC.

Then again, "national Churches" formed out of politically-subverted Roman jurisdictions is at least as old as Henry VIII....

393 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:21:28pm

re: #385 reine.de.tout

Jorline, Hi, how are you doing tonight? Feeling OK?

check your e-mail when you get a chance.

I'm well reine...thanks...always good to see you.

/checking mail now

394 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:21:54pm
395 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:21:57pm

re: #379 jorline

I bet none of them are saying "piss up a rope" with your zest Mandy.
Some things just can't be duplicated.

;)


Or dishing out the odd "whack". Sorry, Mandy, I just love it.

396 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:22:14pm

A stalker site? with nic jacking?
/picturing Bizarro world with my evil twin Skippy deadofthedumb.

397 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:22:14pm

Wikki says this and it concurs with what I am aware of:
There were about a dozen in Surabaya so the remainder are in Jakarta.

There are small unrecognized Jewish communities in Jakarta and Surabaya. An early Jewish settlement in the archipelago was through the Dutch Jews who came along for the spice trade. In the 1850s, about 20 Jewish families of Dutch and German origins lived in Jakarta (then Batavia). Some lived in Semarang and Surabaya. Several Baghdadi Jews also settled in the island. Prior to 1945, there were about 2,000 Dutch Jews in Indonesia. In 1957, it was reported around 450 Jews remained, mainly Ashkenazim in Jakarta and Sephardim in Surabaya. The community has decreased to 50 in 1963. In 1997, there were only 20 Jews, some of them in Jakarta and a few Baghdadi families in Surabaya.

Jews in Surabaya maintain a synagogue, the only synagogue in Indonesia. They have little contact with Jews outside the country. There is no service given in the synagogue.

398 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:22:49pm

re: #384 WhiteRasta

LMAO!

399 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:23:06pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

I don't eat Fructose corn syrup, refined sugar or sweetener substitutes. Try to give them up for a week and then eat a tangerine. It's fantastic!

I am a sandal wearing health food nut, myself. I was not always that way, but had a "come to Jesus" moment about 3 years ago. Most of us middle age guys have one of those sooner or later, methinks.

400 neocon hippie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:23:14pm

re: #371 lawhawk

Closer to 20% if I may be picky, but still...

401 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:23:16pm

re: #360 Dianna

Haven't had one for quite a while now.

402 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:23:28pm

re: #373 Racer X

This year so far coolest for at least 5 years: WMO

I just want to say congratulations to everyone! Without your heroic efforts in reducing greenhouse gas emissions we would all be melted or drowned by now. Thanks to you, the polar bears are making a dramatic recovery!

Fantastic job everyone!

Go Green!

I like the way that Reuters hastens to add:

The whole year will almost certainly be cooler than recent years, although temperatures remain above the historical average.

Above WHICH historical average? From the Ice Age? The Medieval Warm Period? The Little Ice Age? When?

403 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:23:55pm

Golly, all this talk about high fructose corn syrup, I'm getting a serious craving for some ice cream, and there is no ice cream in the house!

404 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:24:06pm

re: #392 mikalm

OIC.

Then again, "national Churches" formed out of politically-subverted Roman jurisdictions is at least as old as Henry VIII....

Another "Great Leap Forward" for our Chinese friends! :-)

405 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:24:15pm

re: #366 reine.de.tout

Who and where?

406 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:24:45pm

re: #394 buzzsawmonkey

She titled a book Taltos. Steve Brust has been writing a character named Vlad Taltos for at least the last fifteen years; ten years prior to her book.

One can't help but note that, now that she's famous, she ignores the people who started the buzz for Interview, and (it seems to me, anyway) goes out of her way to treat science fiction readers and writers with contempt.

407 jmorris42  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:24:59pm

Oh well, I always figured he was actually born in the US, too much other supporting evidence. But the way (acting like people with something to hide) they were dealing with it left me hoping we would at least get some sort of unexected payoff.

Hope we get into the Ayers records before November, those promise to have some useful stuff. But it ain't happening anymore than getting the college paper that is being sat on until after the election.

In a perfect world though this race would end at the first debate as McCain leveled the big one on him. "Kid, everyone else who has run for President can claim an accomplishment or two. Can you?"

408 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:25:10pm

re: #405 Bubblehead II

Who and where?

I would rather not say. It's very nasty and mean-spirited, and whoever is involved seems to be seriously mentally off-balance.

409 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:25:11pm

re: #399 rawmuse

I'm not a health food nut but I've come to appreciate food more. Real food. It's very different.

410 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:25:11pm

re: #397 Nancy

Again, way too small for the State to spend political capital recognizing them as an "official" religion...especially in a Muslim-majority nation.

411 maddogg  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:25:51pm

Crap. It seems everyone that gets banned here turns out to be some sort of pathetic nut case.

If I get banned, I hope to avoid morphing into some pathetic shadow of a real person, with nothing better to do but to set up some pathetic counterfit version of LGF for like minded losers to lodge like a piece of nose crud flicked out of a window.

412 faraway  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:26:02pm

Charles,

You need to go through your site tonight and add tm to every instance of the term littlegreenfootballs (use the ampersand trade semicolon)

This will effectively trademark your domain name and your business name. You do not not have to register anything, just do this.

Trust me. Do it now.

413 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:26:07pm

re: #408 reine.de.tout

We've excited him enough by even mentioning him.

414 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:26:25pm

re: #392 mikalm

OIC.

Then again, "national Churches" formed out of politically-subverted Roman jurisdictions is at least as old as Henry VIII....


Older really, there was enough of a tradition of strong monarchies controlling national churches in England and France that Henry could tell himself at first that he wasn't intending to break tradition.

415 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:26:38pm
416 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:26:42pm

re: #377 MandyManners

I'm no lawyer but I would think so.

417 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:27:06pm

re: #406 Dianna

She titled a book Taltos. Steve Brust has been writing a character named Vlad Taltos for at least the last fifteen years; ten years prior to her book.

One can't help but note that, now that she's famous, she ignores the people who started the buzz for Interview, and (it seems to me, anyway) goes out of her way to treat science fiction readers and writers with contempt.

She's supposed to be kind of a... well, freak, correct?

418 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:27:36pm

re: #411 maddogg

Agreed. I have tried to appeal for people who have been banned on a few occasions and have always been proven wrong.

419 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:27:44pm

re: #411 maddogg

for like minded losers to lodge like a piece of nose crud flicked out of a window.

Are those the "Little Green Footballs" we've heard so much about?

Seriously, that is one disturbing metaphor. I may swipe it for my own prose.

420 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:27:47pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

We've excited him enough by even mentioning him.

Indeed.

421 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:28:30pm

re: #415 buzzsawmonkey

I knew her - slightly - when I was at SF State. Her unfortunate husband was head of the Creative Writing department back then, and she was writing soft porn and not selling much of that. She wasn't nice then, and she has not improved - in any aspect that I'm aware of - with age.

422 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:28:59pm

re: #414 lifeofthemind

Older really, there was enough of a tradition of strong monarchies controlling national churches in England and France that Henry could tell himself at first that he wasn't intending to break tradition.

True. And of course by that point, the Eastern Church had been out of the Roman orbit for several centuries, so there was a precedent with that, as well.

423 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:29:02pm

re: #411 maddogg

Crap. It seems everyone that gets banned here turns out to be some sort of pathetic nut case.

If I get banned, I hope to avoid morphing into some pathetic shadow of a real person, with nothing better to do but to set up some pathetic counterfit version of LGF for like minded losers to lodge like a piece of nose crud flicked out of a window.

I regret that I have but one ding to give.

424 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:29:02pm

re: #417 Occasional Reader

In which phase of her career?

425 WhiteRasta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:29:13pm

re: #412 faraway

Are you giving out free legal advice?

If so, what can I do about my inbred neighbor who screams abuse at my wife and daughter when I'm out of town?

(Just kidding. I know what to do......)

426 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:29:20pm

re: #412 farawayIf it that important mail Charles so he doesn't miss it.

427 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:29:22pm

re: #411 maddogg

Crap. It seems everyone that gets banned here turns out to be some sort of pathetic nut case.

If I get banned, I hope to avoid morphing into some pathetic shadow of a real person, with nothing better to do but to set up some pathetic counterfit version of LGF for like minded losers to lodge like a piece of nose crud flicked out of a window.

Excellently and eloquently put, sir, or ma'am, as the case may be.

428 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:29:30pm

re: #422 mikalm

1054

429 rorschach  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:29:41pm

OT...Did you all hear the rumor that the authenticity of obama's birth certificate may be in question?

Really.

I'm not kidding.


guys?

430 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:30:11pm
431 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:31:18pm

OK, but would it kill them to put a hi-res picture of the whole thing face-on, on their site.

432 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:31:41pm

re: #424 Dianna

In which phase of her career?

Uh, dunno. Now, from what I hear.

433 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:31:45pm

re: #386 Sharmuta

Thre's no top ten list, but it's pretty clear they have mental issues.

This your mind on drugs...this is your mind being an LFG poser.

434 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:32:18pm

re: #430 buzzsawmonkey

Check your mail, please.

435 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:32:35pm

re: #428 formercorpsman

Yup. The "English Reformation" happened nearly half a millennium later.

436 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:33:01pm

re: #422 mikalm

True. And of course by that point, the Eastern Church had been out of the Roman orbit for several centuries, so there was a precedent with that, as well.


The Church of England is on its most solid ground theologically and historically when it emphasizes communion and links with the Eastern Conciliar Churches. Rome broke with the greater church when it shifted from Councils to Monarchical government.

437 faraway  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:33:18pm

re: #425 WhiteRasta

Are you giving out free legal advice?

If so, what can I do about my inbred neighbor who screams abuse at my wife and daughter when I'm out of town?

(Just kidding. I know what to do......)

I can only help you after you commit a crime:)

438 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:33:25pm

re: #344 mikalm

That's exactly it. There were never enough of them for the government to bother to recognize them.

However, if any of their descendants have married. which I am sure they have --in order to marry one HAS to declare a religion and it can ONLY be one recognized by the government. Which means there are actually MORE of them but they have to declare one of the recognized religions.

There is no such thing in Indonesia as just a civil marriage. Also there is no such thing as a MIXED religious marriage. Both bride and groom have to declare the SAME religion!

439 WhiteRasta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:34:25pm

re: #433 jorline

This is spiders on drugs.....Hilarius, check it out for a good laugh.

Youtube Video

440 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:34:45pm

re: #408 reine.de.tout

Ok, but as another Lizard asked and I as well, am curious, am I being being misrepresented on this site?

441 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:35:02pm

well i don't think i found what you guys have, but wow! there is a actual lgf watch! weird!

442 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:35:45pm

re: #440 Bubblehead II

Ok, but as another Lizard asked and I as well, am curious, am I being being misrepresented on this site?

No.

443 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:35:50pm

re: #440 Bubblehead II

So far I've seen myself and Killgore nic jacked.

444 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:36:19pm

re: #441 willowone

Round here we call that stalker blog #1.

445 Nancy  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:36:39pm

re: #410 mikalm

Indeed...........and since they cannot marry in Indonesia as Jews --soon there will be NONE left.

446 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:36:40pm
447 faraway  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:36:58pm

I'm not impressed with factcheck.org.

I just searched for "dan rather national guard memo hoax" and they returned "no results found".

Must be a liberal spin zone.

448 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:36:59pm

re: #443 Sharmuta

So far I've seen myself and Killgore nic jacked.

And, Charles.

449 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:37:16pm

re: #443 Sharmuta

So far I've seen myself and Killgore nic jacked.


What do you mean, I'm not worthy of being parodied? Now I am pissed. This means WAR!

450 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:37:25pm

re: #448 MandyManners

Yes- sorry.

451 oh_dude  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:37:30pm

First, it turns out that the Bigfoot body is a fake and now this.

Thanx for ruining my weekend dude.

452 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:37:37pm

re: #446 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks. My, it's like a funhouse mirror without the fun, isn't it?

Malicious as all get-out.

453 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:38:08pm

re: #451 oh_dude

There is always Wrestling...

454 mikalm  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:38:31pm

re: #436 lifeofthemind

These guys would agree.

455 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:38:36pm

re: #444 Sharmuta

sorry to say i really don't get the point of it. seems like way too much effort, what is to be gained from this.

456 faraway  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:39:02pm

Can I play myself in both roles? Good faraway and evil faraway. I'm going for an Oscar.

457 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:39:02pm

re: #443 Sharmuta

Sorry, just got in from vacation.

Without invoking names, is this referencing idiots who sell certain undergarments with a green football, and a gathering of former posters at another seaboard locale?

If I seem out of it, I am. Sorry.

458 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:39:11pm

re: #455 willowone

sorry to say i really don't get the point of it. seems like way too much effort, what is to be gained from this.

Mean people don't need logic.

459 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:39:23pm

How dare anyone say anything nice about President Bush!

State Run Media must wash clean!

460 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:39:45pm

re: #439 WhiteRasta

This is spiders on drugs.....Hilarius, check it out for a good laugh.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

LMAO...crack spiders a bad ass.

461 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:39:46pm

re: #442 reine.de.tout

re: #443 Sharmuta

Damn. Am I that boring?

462 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:39:50pm

re: #458 MandyManners
i hope if i were to ever be nic-jacked they'll make me wittier.

463 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:40:18pm
464 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:40:42pm

re: #455 willowone

It's not understandable unless you have some whacked out obsessive disorder.

re: #457 formercorpsman

No- it's another site. I think we're up to about half a dozen stalker sites now.

465 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:40:47pm

re: #462 willowone

i hope if i were to ever be nic-jacked they'll make me wittier.

LOL!

466 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:40:47pm

re: #449 lifeofthemind

What do you mean, I'm not worthy of being parodied? Now I am pissed. This means WAR!

If it makes you feel any better I think you're worthy of being parodied. :-)

467 Cognito  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:41:16pm

What the bleep is everybody talking about?

Let's talk about how Vlad Putin is aiming to take over the world.

468 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:41:40pm

re: #463 buzzsawmonkey
uhm hmm, younger and sexier TALLER. and of course at minumum a Phd.

469 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:42:02pm

Ok so I looked at the thing, Charles should either Ignore it or make them pay. Who is/was trajan75?

470 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:42:10pm

re: #442 reine.de.tout

No.

got it...thanks

471 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:42:31pm

re: #432 Occasional Reader

I've ignored her firmly for years. I liked Interview, but I've thought everything since was just dreadful.

Then the Taltos business blew up, and I wouldn't read her on a bet. If she's decided to indulge her every embarrassing whim, it's nothing to me.

472 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:42:39pm

re: #464 Sharmuta

I had no idea.

Seriously.

Well, I am glad I got some vacation finally in. It would be hard to think they are actually earning any revenue from their sites, moreover, I would venture to say my tax dollars might provide sustenance.

473 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:42:40pm

re: #467 Cognito

i was hoping he is sleeping, so i can too.

474 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:43:21pm

re: #441 willowone

Yeah, that one's been around for a while. They've pretty much given up and I don't really check there anymore. They put up one or two posts a week and they aren't very interesting.

475 monkey den  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:43:29pm

Yeah, it's probably not true but this green card I made is still very funny

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r369/bhusseinob ama/obama_gcard.jpg

476 Robert L  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:43:42pm

I'm presently reading Corsi's book. I don't recall that he made a big issue of Obama's birth Certificate or where Obama was born. (I could have missed it) But he does make an issue of and repeats that, in Indonesia, Barry Soetto, aka, Barry Obama's school documents, list his religion as, "Islam". Does the Birth Certificate that "Factcheck" viewed in Hawaii have a caption for "Religion"?

477 faraway  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:43:47pm

Seems like we are in a weird Star Trek episode where they had several alternate universes going on.

478 Cognito  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:43:54pm

re: #473 willowone

i was hoping he is sleeping, so i can too.

He does not sleep, comrade. He prepares.

479 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:44:08pm

In effect the site would be a zombie site, instead of a mirror site?

undead sock puppets...

480 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:44:15pm

re: #474 Killgore Trout

They were never interesting.

481 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:44:18pm

re: #478 Cognito

Cog, throw in.

482 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:44:42pm

re: #467 Cognito

What the bleep is everybody talking about?

Let's talk about how Vlad Putin is aiming to take over the world.


Putin's secret plots exposed.

483 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:44:54pm

re: #441 willowone

They've been around forever; they're almost old friends. Psychotic old friends, but you know what I mean.

484 Cognito  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:45:30pm

re: #481 formercorpsman

Cog, throw in.

All right, here we go: Does anyone here think Russia is gearing up -- albeit in slow motion -- to invade Poland in a few years, if not sooner?

485 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:45:40pm

re: #480 Sharmuta

They were never interesting.

But at least they used to be active. They aren't even trying anymore.

486 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:46:10pm

I just saw my first Phelps commercial. It's an AT&T commercial.

487 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:46:43pm

re: #467 Cognito

What the bleep is everybody talking about?

Let's talk about how Vlad Putin is aiming to take over the world.

Now that you mention it, old Vlad does kinda look like The Brain.

488 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:46:49pm

re: #484 Cognito

No. I don't think they could pull it off. They may have aspirations but they are currently way too weak.

489 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:47:08pm

re: #485 Killgore Trout

Stalking can be draining.

490 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:47:11pm

re: #478 Cognito

He does not sleep, comrade. He prepares.

i know this, still i'm trying to keep my trepidation to a minumum, and the wine isn't helping much.

491 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:47:13pm

re: #484 Cognito

All right, here we go: Does anyone here think Russia is gearing up -- albeit in slow motion -- to invade Poland in a few years, if not sooner?

I think, probably not. Stakes would be too high even for Vlad.

492 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:47:43pm

The site location was quite adroitly hinted at above...

493 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:47:54pm

re: #474 Killgore Trout
strange pastime indeed.

494 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:48:00pm

re: #476 Robert L

I'm presently reading Corsi's book. I don't recall that he made a big issue of Obama's birth Certificate or where Obama was born. (I could have missed it) But he does make an issue of and repeats that, in Indonesia, Barry Soetto, aka, Barry Obama's school documents, list his religion as, "Islam". Does the Birth Certificate that "Factcheck" viewed in Hawaii have a caption for "Religion"?

On a birth certificate in America?

495 Charles  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:48:12pm

That stalker blog used an apparently real name and address for their domain registration, by the way. Phone number too.

496 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:48:13pm
497 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:48:17pm

re: #467 Cognito

We've already settled that he's going to. We've even argued over his timing and methods until we've hashed out a rough outline; hell, we've done everything but written the dialogue.

Besides, I've been told to shut up, so I can't play anymore.

That leaves silly chatter. Think of it as a water park ride, or something.

498 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:49:05pm

re: #484 Cognito

it certainly seems as if they are testing the water.

499 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:49:21pm

re: #484 Cognito

All right, here we go: Does anyone here think Russia is gearing up -- albeit in slow motion -- to invade Poland in a few years, if not sooner?

Yes but mostly Poland is a feint to focus and distract us to look North and make us soothe panicky Europeans while Putin peels off first the Crimea and then the Eastern Don basin of the Ukraine.

500 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:49:29pm

re: #484 Cognito

No.

They realize it is game over.

Their population is diluting at such a fast rate, China has left them in the dust, and the backlash has been pretty damn strong from the Euorweenies who usually cower at the sight of Russian tanks rolling.

Actually, the game was over when we shot the missile out in the northwestern orbit from one of our boats.

Like I said last week, the Democrats don't think the technology has been proven, but the Russians & Chinese certainly have an issue with it.

501 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:49:30pm

re: #484 Cognito

All right, here we go: Does anyone here think Russia is gearing up -- albeit in slow motion -- to invade Poland in a few years, if not sooner?

I think the readiness level in all of Russia's neighbors should be sky-high already now, and their level of preparation should increase dramatically over the next few years. Remember how tiny Georgia really is.

Economic warfare, now, especially energy, that's another matter.

502 pegcity  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:49:30pm

smart move on there part.

let the loons quack for a bit

503 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:49:38pm

re: #492 slokat

The site location was quite adroitly hinted at above...

Yep.

504 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:49:55pm

re: #476 Robert L

This is the United States. Of course not.

505 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:50:04pm

re: #487 CIA Reject

Now that you mention it, old Vlad does kinda look like The Brain.


You owe me a coke.

506 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:51:07pm

re: #499 lifeofthemind

Yes but mostly Poland is a feint to focus and distract us to look North and make us soothe panicky Europeans while Putin peels off first the Crimea and then the Eastern Don basin of the Ukraine.

Huh? Poland would be a taller order than Ukraine. It's better armed, and a NATO member.

507 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:51:13pm

re: #495 Charles

That stalker blog used an apparently real name and address for their domain registration, by the way. Phone number too.


Does that prove they are more stupid and childish than criminal?

508 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:51:23pm

re: #484 Cognito

Long-range bombardment, not an invasion, and he won't use nukes.

Then he'll just sit back and watch Europe dither.

509 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:51:25pm

re: #496 buzzsawmonkey

...and they wrote the very worst posts.
They put the browsers and keyboards together
They are stalkers, and they write the posts.

They write the posts that make the whole Web yawn
They write both day and night and into the dawn
But take a look at them and you ask, "Why?"
They write the posts, they write the posts.

--with apologies to Barry Manilow

SCREW BARRY! He's not even an American! He was born in Kenya...what?...Barry MANILOW...oh....nevermind

510 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:51:37pm

re: #501 itellu3times

You nailed it.

Russia recognizes they are a declining military power.

They are still thugs.

They only need enough muscle to protect their aims for energy futures.

511 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:51:44pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

It's pretty obvious he's just talking to himself in the comments.

IIRC, he did the same thing here.

512 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:51:48pm

re: #484 Cognito

All right, here we go: Does anyone here think Russia is gearing up -- albeit in slow motion -- to invade Poland in a few years, if not sooner?

Unless there is some way in which it will financially benefit the ex-KGB cabal that currently holds power I don't see it happening.

513 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:52:04pm

re: #461 Bubblehead II

re: #443 Sharmuta

Damn. Am I that boring?

LOL! I am too, apparently, and THANK GOODNESS FOR IT!

You know, I leave comments at a few other places, mostly Michelle Malkin and HotAir, occasionally Gateway Pundit, and I always use the same nic, and people here who post here and also at those places are able to recognize me.

A person who comments at various places on the interent under the same nic all the time will have a reputation and character based on what they write and post under their nic. For someone to take a nic that is known to readers of a blog and use it on another blog to post shit, is similar to spreading untrue gossip about a person that negatively affects their reputation. Doing that is an indication of a complete and total lack of ethics and moral values.

514 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:52:44pm

re: #496 buzzsawmonkey

I used to think I wrote good song parodies.

I bow to my master.

515 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:52:59pm

re: #511 NY Nana

IIRC, he did the same thing here.

*snicker*

516 Cognito  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:53:25pm

re: #501 itellu3times

I think the readiness level in all of Russia's neighbors should be sky-high already now, and their level of preparation should increase dramatically over the next few years...

I think their only chance for survival -- outside outright protection from America and Europe (!) -- is some sort of confederacy of former Soviet states. If any are attacked, all respond. Maybe NATO is the place for them to do that, but I sorta suspect not, as their interests are highly specific in this regard.

And frankly I'm not sure it would work anyway. I fear Russia could whip 'em all, in whatever combination.

517 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:54:01pm

Dusk falls on the San Gabriel Mountains with a beauty that transcends all politics.

Towercam, you know you need it.

518 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:54:28pm

Take it easy, out.

519 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:54:42pm

re: #505 lifeofthemind

You owe me a coke.

Can I double down by suggesting that Pinky looks (and sounds) a lot like BO?

:-)

520 Cognito  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:54:44pm

re: #508 Dianna

Long-range bombardment, not an invasion, and he won't use nukes.

Then he'll just sit back and watch Europe dither.

And forget the notion that we should eschew real conversation in favor of bloggy pablum. That's crazy. I'd rather watch TV.

521 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:54:55pm

So, I was thinking about how the news shook out today regarding McCain and his housing question, followed by Obama and the Democrats response.

I can come to only one conclusion.

The Obama campaign fell into a trap of epic proportions because it not only brings up the questions of Tony Rezko, but also a guy by the name of Bill Ayers who happened to try and blow up one of the nation's prime pieces of real estate - the Capitol building. And the Pentagon. And the State Department building.

Obama's people really wanted to go there? It's a trap, and they fell for it. That's telling in and of itself.

522 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:55:54pm

re: #506 Occasional Reader

Huh? Poland would be a taller order than Ukraine. It's better armed, and a NATO member.

Agreed so Poland is a longer term goal for moving on only after the Ukraine has been reabsorbed. Expect continued threats though to paralyze Nato so we don't stop Putin's interim moves. No idea how Vlad intends to run his new empire without people. He has shown no answer to the demographic problem except a back to the land movement.

523 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:56:04pm

Pensioners now outnumber children for first time in British history

Thank goodness Britian has a burgeoning Muslim population.

524 sparrowlake  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:56:07pm

re: #55 Sharmuta

I think hunting for an elusive smoking gun is a fool's game- the man has given us enough with his positions, associations and inexperience to make enough of a startling contrast to McCain. Looking for a smoking gun that might not even exist while we have real, tangible differences to pounce on just seems to me to be wasted time.

It's like buying a lottery ticket. The chances of winning are infinitely small, but the payoff is huge. That is the attraction.

525 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:56:31pm
526 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:56:49pm

re: #495 Charles

That stalker blog used an apparently real name and address for their domain registration, by the way. Phone number too.

/Stupid is as stupid does.

Hat tip: Forrest Gump ;)

527 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:56:55pm

re: #521 lawhawk

Obama's people really wanted to go there? It's a trap, and they fell for it. That's telling in and of itself.

You rang?

528 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:57:36pm

re: #521 lawhawk

Indeed, indeed, indeed.

I swear there has been at 3 -4 instances over the last couple of months where he has eaten, a double shit sandwich every friggin time he opens his mouth attempting to sound the part in response to some big issues in the news, etc.

Ok, now I'm out.

529 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:57:48pm

re: #519 CIA Reject

Can I double down by suggesting that Pinky looks (and sounds) a lot like BO?

:-)


Pinky is a good soul

530 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:57:49pm

re: #527 Occasional Reader

Can you say trap? I knew you could.

531 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:57:58pm

re: #525 buzzsawmonkey

Ghotta Gho Ghang.

Ghoodnight.

Ghonna Ghive up the Gost?

532 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:58:21pm

re: #492 slokat

Well call me slow, but I seemed to have missed the hint. Though a Yahoo search did turn up this site/page.

http://www.erichufschmid.net/Ron-Paul-Nazi-trick.h tml

Some weird shit here.

However, don't judge a person by only a few of his articles. First of all, for all we know, it was Johnson's Jewish friends who arranged for the Reuters photo to be edited, and his Jewish friends may have set Dan Rather up with false information.

For more evidence that LittleGreenFootballs (LGF) are Zionists, look at who they promote, and who promotes them. For example, in 2005, the Jerusalem Post voted LGF as the number 1 blog in two categories:

• Best Israel Advocacy Blog
• Best Overall 'mega' Blog
Their awards for 2005 are here and for 2006 here.

Hell, they even go after LGF Watch.

Be suspicious of the people who expose LittleGreenFootballs

It should be obvious that LGF is a Zionist operation, but that doesn't mean you can trust people who expose the lies of LGF. Here is a website that claims to be "Keeping an eye on those rabid racists at Little Green Footballs":
lgfwatch.blogspot.com

One clue that this group is also a Zionist operation is that they don't expose LGF as Zionists. Instead, they deflect attention away from Zionism by referring to LGF as racists. The other clue is to look along the right side of their page for the category "LGF Watch Supports" and notice that they support such deceptive sites as:

/Welcome to the Twilightzone

533 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:59:31pm

re: #525 buzzsawmonkey

Ghotta Gho Ghang.

Ghoodnight.

/Ghevalt!

Sweet dreams.

534 code red 21  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:59:39pm

re: #49 opnion

Well this clinches it, the guy was born in Hawaii.
It is now clear that he is directly descended from Kamehameha the Great, Kunta kente, Shaka Zulu, Saladin & Charlemagne

I thought his dad was King Comoniwanttolaya... or something like that.

535 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 7:59:42pm

re: #532 Bubblehead II

First of all, for all we know, it was Johnson's Jewish friends who arranged for the Reuters photo to be edited, and his Jewish friends may have set Dan Rather up with false information.

LMAO!

536 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:00:05pm

re: #532 Bubblehead II

Does your brain hurt after thinking that way?

537 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:01:27pm

re: #515 MandyManners

*snicker*

*snicker* *snicker*!

538 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:02:13pm

re: #526 NY Nana

/Stupid is as stupid does.

Hat tip: Forrest Gump ;)

Cracks me up that one of them went on a characteristic rave against me in which he called me that "c" word. At least he didn't use "skank".

539 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:02:21pm

re: #536 MandyManners

Does your brain hurt after thinking that way?

I think she forgot to block quote...

540 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:02:32pm

re: #537 NY Nana

*snicker* *snicker*!

I think I have a pill for that.

541 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:02:35pm

re: #515 MandyManners

*snicker*

re: #537 NY Nana

*snicker* *snicker*!

Now I'm craving candy bars. Thanks, Ladies.

542 cliffster  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:02:49pm

re: #495 Charles

That stalker blog used an apparently real name and address for their domain registration, by the way. Phone number too.

A lot of free time spent doing.. what?

543 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:02:59pm

re: #520 Cognito

I will cheerfully participate in either blather or substantive discussion. But I don't insist on either.

544 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:03:21pm

re: #511 NY Nana

Yes, I think he did.

545 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:03:26pm

re: #543 Dianna

I will cheerfully participate in either blather or substantive discussion. But I don't insist on either.

What about substantive blather?

546 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:03:31pm

re: #532 Bubblehead II

part of your nic is part of the clue...

547 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:03:54pm

re: #539 slokat

Moonbats use pretzel logic.

548 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:04:10pm

haha sheesh, well i should be much better at hiding my horns in the drawer. where's my check re: #532 Bubblehead II

549 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:04:41pm

re: #517 Ojoe

Nice.

550 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:05:01pm

re: #532 Bubblehead II

Well, I was going to post something in response, albeit I have already threatened twice now to go to bed, but I took the bait.

Oh boy.

Are the Zionist responsible for the cereal boxes having settled once they reach the shelf in the grocery store?

551 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:05:04pm

Mmmmm.... pretzels....

552 The Shadow Do  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:05:07pm

re: #516 Cognito

I think their only chance for survival -- outside outright protection from America and Europe (!) -- is some sort of confederacy of former Soviet states. If any are attacked, all respond. Maybe NATO is the place for them to do that, but I sorta suspect not, as their interests are highly specific in this regard.

And frankly I'm not sure it would work anyway. I fear Russia could whip 'em all, in whatever combination.

True enough. A confederation with a defense treaty with the USA however, would be another matter as you say. I wonder if we are not taking steps in that direction. I would hope so as not much less will slow Russian aggression against new europe. Start with a treaty with Ukraine and go from there? I will credit Rice with a seeming knowledge of where this is going though the expiring administration stalls any real action. No doubt this is part of Putin's calculus.

553 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:05:29pm

re: #489 Sharmuta

Stalking can be draining.

Tell me about it.

;-)

554 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:05:32pm

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Yes, I think he did.

A real GAZE-fest, he was.

555 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:05:49pm

re: #553 Racer X

LOL!

556 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:05:59pm

We'll meet again

557 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:06:18pm

re: #517 Ojoe

It's a nice one in Coos Bay tonight too.

558 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:06:58pm

re: #529 lifeofthemind

Pinky is a good soul

True that, I owe him an apology...

559 willowone  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:07:14pm

nite.

560 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:07:17pm

re: #532 Bubblehead II

You're entering a world that will either make you laugh so hard you're in danger of getting sick, or disgust you so badly that you spew.

561 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:07:29pm

re: #550 formercorpsman

Well, I was going to post something in response, albeit I have already threatened twice now to go to bed, but I took the bait.

Oh boy.

Are the Zionist responsible for the cereal boxes having settled once they reach the shelf in the grocery store?


No the zionists sneak into stores and shake the boxes so innocent gentile shoppers think they are more full than they really are.

562 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:08:02pm

I CAN'T TAKE THE SUSPENSE! I HAVE TO SEE IT!

What is this stalker blog that everyone's talking about? Someone send me an email.

563 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:08:59pm

re: #545 Occasional Reader

Oh, with all good will!

564 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:09:00pm

re: #561 lifeofthemind

Snowglobes!

I knew it!

565 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:09:20pm

re: #562 Slumbering Behemoth

I will- give me a minute.

566 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:10:06pm

re: #521 lawhawk

So, I was thinking about how the news shook out today regarding McCain and his housing question, followed by Obama and the Democrats response.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that John McCain doesn't own any houses. I'll bet his wife does, she's rich.

567 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:10:47pm

More pluses please: P&T Bullshit Sensitivity Training

568 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:10:52pm

Obama supporters tend to disregard the popular vote and focus on the electoral votes, as they should. The latest battleground state polls, from RealClearPolitics:

............................Obama ...............McCain ...........Spread
............................Ohio 44.7.... ........45.7 McCain ....+1.0
............................Michigan 46.0 .......42.8 Obama ....+3.2
............................Minnesota 47.5 .....43.0 Obama ....+4.5
............................Colorado 45.3 .......45.8 McCain ....+0.5
............................Virginia 45.7 .........46.3 McCain ....+0.6
............................Florida 44.8 ..........47.4 McCain ....+2.6

It's nervous time for a certain some ONE.

569 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:10:58pm

re: #565 Sharmuta

Take your time. *mwah* thanks.

570 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:11:28pm

Election year so is that site really a "Stalking Horse"?

571 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:11:43pm

re: #557 Killgore Trout

It's a nice one in Coos Bay tonight too.

Thanks! The sun is setting there at this very instant.

572 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:12:10pm

re: #536 MandyManners

>
Only after trying to bend it around to see where these nut jobs are coming from. Though a few brews does help ease the pain.

573 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:12:29pm

re: #566 razorbacker

That is, in fact, the correct answer.

He doesn't own any homes. Cindy or trusts own them. It's an ethics thing following the Keating scandal mess.

Besides, why would the Democrats want to bring attention to housing matters?

Their 2004 candidate for president, John Kerry, was the owner of quite a few homes - most in the name of his wife Teresa. Are they saying that Kerry is out of touch? Curious. Very curious.

574 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:12:48pm

re: #538 MandyManners

Cracks me up that one of them went on a characteristic rave against me in which he called me that "c" word. At least he didn't use "skank".

Only more proof what a lying POS he is, and that you really got him angry by ignoring him so wisely when he stalked you.

575 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:13:11pm

re: #571 Ojoe

Those waters are infested with Salmon, crab and clams too. Deliciousness has never been more beautiful.

576 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:13:46pm

re: #566 razorbacker

Essentially correct. Mrs. McCain owns properties she bought for her daughter, and for an aunt, and a couple other family members. I doubt McCain knows too much about that.

577 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:14:15pm

re: #550 formercorpsman


Are the Zionist responsible for the cereal boxes having settled once they reach the shelf in the grocery store?

Now see, right there you exposed your ignorance. There is no such thing as "cereal settling". What you're seeing is the result of Big Cardboard, which requires all containers used in the US to be 24% larger than necessary.

I've got charts and graphs.

578 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:14:24pm

re: #574 NY Nana

Only more proof what a lying POS he is, and that you really got him angry by ignoring him so wisely when he stalked you.

Ayup.

579 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:14:45pm

Oi'm out. G'night.

580 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:14:52pm

re: #573 lawhawk

These are the same idiots who carelessly throw Kerry's name in for the VP slot, not realizing they a busy throwing a turd in their own way to walk on.

Good lord, you would think a half serious college freshman could foresee something like that, let alone professionals getting paid enormous amounts of money.

581 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:14:56pm

re: #536 MandyManners

Does your brain hurt after thinking that way?

I think Bubblehead was quoting something she found; those weren't her words.

582 The Shadow Do  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:15:46pm

re: #568 solomonpanting

Obama supporters tend to disregard the popular vote and focus on the electoral votes, as they should. The latest battleground state polls, from RealClearPolitics:

............................Obama ...............McCain ...........Spread
............................Ohio 44.7.... ........45.7 McCain ....+1.0
............................Michigan 46.0 .......42.8 Obama ....+3.2
............................Minnesota 47.5 .....43.0 Obama ....+4.5
............................Colorado 45.3 .......45.8 McCain ....+0.5
............................Virginia 45.7 .........46.3 McCain ....+0.6
............................Florida 44.8 ..........47.4 McCain ....+2.6

It's nervous time for a certain some ONE.

Interesting. Especially since I think there is nowhere to go but down from Obama's early emotional highs. Bummer, huh.

583 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:15:46pm

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Already did! Thanos is a mensch.

584 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:16:24pm

Hey y'all - not quite so late to the party as I usually am, but this is a loooong thread!
What have I missed?

585 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:17:11pm

re: #546 slokat

Thanks.

586 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:17:39pm

re: #570 slokat

No, I think we're just "evil." When we're not sycophants.

587 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:18:03pm

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Shameless whore!

+1

588 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:18:34pm

re: #583 NY Nana

3 stages of "Change".
/heh

589 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:18:54pm

re: #573 lawhawk

To say nothing of the issue of how the Obama's acquired their home, a subject I am certain they don't want raised.

590 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:18:55pm

re: #577 razorbacker

No doubt, charts and graphs backed by Big Jewish Cardboard.

I was not born yesterday you know.

Therefore, they anticipated the blow back from the cereal issue, thus having to predicate the issue with another, and another, and another, ....

591 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:19:22pm

re: #587 Slumbering Behemoth

If it was my link I'd be a whore. In this case I'm just a slut.

592 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:19:44pm

re: #562 Slumbering Behemoth

Tried to, but when I clicked your nic, it sent me to a you tube site. Sorry.

593 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:19:56pm

re: #39 HelloDare

Not a rumor: Obama Says China's Infrastructure Is Better Than U.S.

“Think about the amount of money China has spent on infrastructure -- their ports, their train system, their airports are all vastly superior to us now, which means if you’re a corporation deciding where to do business, you’re starting to think Beijing looks like a pretty good option Why aren't we doing the same thing”?

Their showpieces are better than what we have on a case-by-case basis. What Bambi doesn't care to mention is that they all cost shitloads of money and were designed by Westerners.

594 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:20:12pm

re: #578 MandyManners

Oh, dear.

Do you know, I've never acquired a stalker? I've always thought it was because I was too dull.

595 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:21:51pm

re: #591 Killgore Trout

You're only cocktail waitress slutty, so I don't mind.

596 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:21:55pm

re: #593 Pawn of the Oppressor

Their showpieces are better than what we have on a case-by-case basis. What Bambi doesn't care to mention is that they all cost shitloads of money and were designed by Westerners.

Moreover, they're Made in China.

597 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:21:55pm

re: #591 Killgore Trout

Oh, you're right, it's not your link.

Shameless slut!

+1

598 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:22:10pm

Goodnight.

599 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:22:28pm

No one say anything to me for a minute - our router is misbehaving!

600 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:23:00pm

re: #584 realwest

Hey y'all - not quite so late to the party as I usually am, but this is a loooong thread!
What have I missed?

Good to see you RW.

You missed
sex
posers
snickers
more sex
politics
and last but not least...pissing up a rope

Good to see you my friend.

601 Mich-again  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:23:53pm

The BMX race at the Olympics was very cool. Don't miss it.

602 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:24:12pm

re: #544 Killgore Trout

And Charles got them all. There is not one post left...thankfully. LGF was his own personal pity party and place to lie, lie and lie, in addition to making up the most outrageous stories. He abused any right to post here.

Seriously, IMHO, he needs to be in therapy. I honestly fear that he will really go spare, in real life, and do something he will regret for the rest of his life.

603 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:24:54pm

re: #586 Dianna

No, I think we're just "evil." When we're not sycophants.

I know, was just trying to link it to the original topic...

604 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:25:07pm

re: #592 Bubblehead II

Oh, that's right. Thanks for trying, though.

605 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:25:27pm

re: #597 Slumbering Behemoth

Guilty!

606 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:25:59pm

re: #600 jorline
Hello my friend! Sex? On an LGF thread?
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you! LOL!

How are you doing tonight?

607 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:26:21pm

re: #604 Slumbering Behemoth

et 2 Behemoth?

608 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:26:23pm

re: #594 Dianna

Oh, dear.

Do you know, I've never acquired a stalker? I've always thought it was because I was too dull.

It's no fun when one makes threats about shooting up their family.

609 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:26:54pm

re: #606 realwest

Hello my friend! Sex? On an LGF thread?
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you! LOL!

How are you doing tonight?

I'm well, thanks. Did you get all of those chores done?

610 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:27:10pm

re: #606 realwest

he forgot stalkers... and kidnapped nics

611 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:27:39pm

re: #573 lawhawk

re: #576 Dianna

As far as owning material things. While I know exactly how many houses I own (none, though I pay taxes on one and make regular payments on it, too) I really couldn't tell you, off the top of my head, how many of a lot of things I own.

I've no idea how many pairs of shoes I own. Or where they all are. I could find and count them, but why? Same with knives, various tools, even guns (is there still a rifle in the 4 wheeler scabbard?). They're on the property somewhere, probably where I last used them. I could find them if I had to.

I even technically own cars that I don't have anymore. I still have the title and pink slips, but the cars are long gone to the crusher.

I know that I have 3 working computers, but can't tell you off-hand how many more are in the shop.

So I'd either be lying, guessing, or have to say I don't know. Guess that disqualifies me for POTUS.

612 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:27:49pm

re: #608 MandyManners
Someone threatend to shoot up your family?! (sorry, I'm a tad late getting here tonight - if y'all covered this before, please just give me the comment number(s)?

613 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:27:58pm

re: #607 slokat

et 2 Behemoth?

¿Que?

614 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:28:19pm

re: #588 Killgore Trout

No, no, no! A thousand times no! The word 'angechay' freaks me out!

615 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:28:24pm

re: #581 reine.de.tout

Ummmm... I'm a guy.... Bubblehead is a slang term for a submariner.

616 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:28:50pm

re: #610 slokat

he forgot stalkers... and kidnapped nics

I included them in the posers, but your description sounds better.

617 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:28:54pm

re: #613 Slumbering Behemoth

¿Que?

no, Clue

618 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:28:54pm

re: #609 jorline Well, as usual, I got done those that HAD to be done - the ones I wanted to get done................well, tomorrow's another day! LOL!
How's the eye and the headache's been for you today?

619 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:28:55pm

re: #612 realwest

Someone threatend to shoot up your family?! (sorry, I'm a tad late getting here tonight - if y'all covered this before, please just give me the comment number(s)?

Hey, RW!

Those comments are all gone.....

620 neocon hippie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:28:58pm

re: #582 The Shadow Do

Hopey McChange has most certainly lost the mojo he had back in the winter-early spring, and at this stage of the game there's no way of getting it back. You can't put the genie back into the bottle.

621 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:29:57pm

re: #612 realwest

Someone threatend to shoot up your family?! (sorry, I'm a tad late getting here tonight - if y'all covered this before, please just give me the comment number(s)?

No. His own. Let's not say his name.

622 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:30:27pm

re: #608 MandyManners

Sorry I could only plus you once.

623 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:30:52pm

re: #615 Bubblehead II

Sorry - I pictured a striking blond, that was secure enough in her own abilities, to make fun of the fact that she usually wasn't taken seriously.

624 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:30:58pm

re: #619 JCM

Hey, RW!

Those comments are all gone.....

That's the only time ever here, isn't it? Complete oblitration.

625 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:31:29pm

re: #610 slokat stalkers?
I mean I got a rough idea from Mandy's post at #608, but ya mean there's been more than one?

And wth is it with "kidnapped pics"?!

626 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:31:36pm

re: #617 slokat

no, Clue

No clue. As in, I got none.

et 2 Behemoth?

Went right over my head. Me too what?

627 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:32:03pm

re: #622 NY Nana

Sorry I could only plus you once.

I wonder what he'll post about me tomorrow. Nothing, I hope. But, I don't care. He redefines irrelevancy.

628 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:32:04pm

re: #618 realwest

Well, as usual, I got done those that HAD to be done - the ones I wanted to get done................well, tomorrow's another day! LOL!
How's the eye and the headache's been for you today?

Much better...no Advil today which makes me a happy camper.

629 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:32:16pm

Since I don't see a customary dead thread yet, I thought that maybe I'd post this off-topic news item of interest which really has me wondering...
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

The divorced mother of two young children had recently moved into her parents' home. Her former husband, who was an illegal immigrant from Honduras but whose whereabouts are now unknown, was "gone" according to the mother of the children.

She had talked about marrying a man she had met over the internet from Kuwait, and was to have flown to that country on Tuesday with her kids to meet him for the first time, but things fell through for unknown reasons.

The next day her two children, a five year old daughter and two year old son, were found dead on the floorboards of a car in her parents' driveway of causes not yet determined.

I bring this up because there is an alarming recurring theme of young divorced mothers being wooed by men from the middle east and pursuaded to either go to the country of the man, or allow her children to go to a country in the middle east alone.

I worry that this is a long-term islamist tactic to infiltrate our established social and governmental systems from the inside, and because it seems to often include what I would term attempts to brainwash the children into acceptance of islam.

Anyone else see this trend? It's even occurred within my own extended family.

630 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:32:17pm

re: #624 MandyManners

That's the only time ever here, isn't it? Complete oblitration.

Yep, 21k comments gone in 30 seconds.

Stinky has a humongous stick.

Do not upset Stinky.

631 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:32:37pm

re: #591 Killgore Trout

If it was my link I'd be a whore. In this case I'm just a slut.

Hey!

632 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:32:53pm

re: #608 MandyManners

/Are you really a potty mouthed ex-communists?

//yeah, I found it. So that's where he ended up.

633 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:32:56pm

re: #594 Dianna

I have had 2....not very pleasant.

634 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:33:05pm

re: #603 slokat

Apologies.

Good heavens, though, I've been reading the latest "stalker" site.

I just don't understand. If ever I disagree enough to leave, I'll just leave. It's not a badge of honor to get banned!

I left Ace's site when nothing I said seemed to get anyone to laugh any more; I felt I wasn't sophomoric enough or something. I still read Ace every day, but I don't post there. I read other blogs pretty regularly, but I don't post much. Were I to be "banned" anywhere, I wouldn't regard it as good to bad-mouth people. It's just bad taste, and would make me look childish.

635 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:33:52pm

re: #626 Slumbering Behemoth

trying to point the way to the stalking site, since can't email...

636 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:33:59pm

Lizards, remember to return those library books now.

Wisconsin woman, 20, arrested for two overdue library volumes

637 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:34:12pm

re: #619 JCM Ah well then I reckon I know who it was then.
Hey, didja all have to cover my back today, too?!

638 Cartman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:34:23pm

For pete's sake, what stalker (former) Lizard is being discussed here? I tried to go back thru the breadcrumb trail of posts in this thread, but to no avail so far. Is it a "he who shall not be named" kind of thing, or what?

639 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:34:27pm

re: #608 MandyManners

I have a simple response to that. "I am not a soft target."

640 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:35:22pm

re: #621 MandyManners
OK, we don't need to. Sure glad it was you and the kiddo he threatened.

641 Cognito  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:35:32pm

Beach volleyball: awesome.

I need to get me a beach.

Go USA.

642 slokat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:36:05pm

re: #636 JCM

Lizards, remember to return those library books now.

Wisconsin woman, 20, arrested for two overdue library volumes

I saw that and wondered if it was a set up publicity thing for the library & her book store?

643 swamprat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:36:09pm

If a stalker-site bloviates where no one is reading, does it still make a whine?

644 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:36:15pm

re: #623 slokat

Hmmmmm. Does that mean I need to get more "manly" in my posts? :-)

645 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:36:19pm

Paranoia, the destroyer.

646 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:36:41pm

re: #584 realwest

Good evening, realwest! Nice to see you here. How’s your mouth treating you?

At some point, I have an off-the-wall question that I’d like to ask you, if you don’t mind.

647 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:36:58pm

re: #637 realwest

Ah well then I reckon I know who it was then.
Hey, didja all have to cover my back today, too?!

Today was pretty calm, Charles even had a thread on the bit A (abortion) and was reasonably civil. A number of lizards bowed out before emotions got the best of them. Don't blame them it's loaded, or Charles or his normal frowning on the subject.

648 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:37:21pm

re: #627 MandyManners

I wonder what he'll post about me tomorrow. Nothing, I hope. But, I don't care. He redefines irrelevancy.

He might not wait that long. But he must feel so impotent because he can't go after you here, and that hate blog has so few readers.

Please, please, please...any lizards who know what we are talking about, do not give the alleged blog any more attention. Let them wither away from inattention..and what ever you do, do not give the name or URL..I am not joking, as they have hijacked a number of nics, and use them. They are demented, to be kind.

649 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:37:29pm

re: #628 jorline Ah, so glad to hear that! That bodes well for you and the doctor on this coming Monday, I'll bet!

650 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:38:01pm

re: #629 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I've never run across it, but even once it's pretty disturbing.

651 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:38:05pm

re: #642 slokat

I saw that and wondered if it was a set up publicity thing for the library & her book store?

Seems a tad extreme, you'd think LE would have better things to do. If the library really wants to screw with people just send 'em to collections.

652 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:38:46pm

re: #630 JCM

Yep, 21k comments gone in 30 seconds.

Stinky has a humongous stick.

Do not upset Stinky.

And, he's fast with that stick.

653 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:38:58pm

re: #633 NY Nana

Somehow, I doubt I'd even notice. I can be remarkably oblivious.

654 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:39:03pm

re: #627 MandyManners

I wonder what he'll post about me tomorrow. Nothing, I hope. But, I don't care. He redefines irrelevancy.

Our "friend" has his own blog now?

655 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:39:09pm

re: #634 Dianna

A site that I'm really going to miss, come November, is The Other Side of Kim.

I don't comment there much, but I enjoy reading it.

And I still miss Acidman.

656 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:40:13pm

re: #632 Bubblehead II

/Are you really a potty mouthed ex-communists?

//yeah, I found it. So that's where he ended up.

His shtick is humiliation of women with whom he does not agree. Remember all the female politicians he called "whores" or "skanks" or the like?

And, yes, I was once a member of the CPUSA.

657 jorline  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:40:31pm

re: #649 realwest

Ah, so glad to hear that! That bodes well for you and the doctor on this coming Monday, I'll bet!

The appointment is Thursday and yes...my fingers a crossed.

Hey...if they have to do anything to my eyes on Thursday I'll make you this deal.
You be my eyes and I'll be your mouth toward the later part of next week...LOL

658 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:40:40pm

re: #629 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Since I don't see a customary dead thread yet, I thought that maybe I'd post this off-topic news item of interest which really has me wondering...
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

The divorced mother of two young children had recently moved into her parents' home. Her former husband, who was an illegal immigrant from Honduras but whose whereabouts are now unknown, was "gone" according to the mother of the children.

She had talked about marrying a man she had met over the internet from Kuwait, and was to have flown to that country on Tuesday with her kids to meet him for the first time, but things fell through for unknown reasons.

The next day her two children, a five year old daughter and two year old son, were found dead on the floorboards of a car in her parents' driveway of causes not yet determined.

I bring this up because there is an alarming recurring theme of young divorced mothers being wooed by men from the middle east and persuaded to either go to the country of the man, or allow her children to go to a country in the middle east alone.

I worry that this is a long-term islamist tactic to infiltrate our established social and governmental systems from the inside, and because it seems to often include what I would term attempts to brainwash the children into acceptance of islam.

Anyone else see this trend? It's even occurred within my own extended family.

I see the trend, but I think it has more to do with providing feedstock for their suicide bomb guidance system factories (AKA "madrasas")

659 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:41:22pm

re: #639 Dianna

I have a simple response to that. "I am not a soft target."

Neither am I.

660 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:42:03pm

re: #638 Cartman

For pete's sake, what stalker (former) Lizard is being discussed here? I tried to go back thru the breadcrumb trail of posts in this thread, but to no avail so far. Is it a "he who shall not be named" kind of thing, or what?

Think of synonyms for "vicious country".

661 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:42:20pm

re: #516 Cognito

I think their only chance for survival -- outside outright protection from America and Europe (!) -- is some sort of confederacy of former Soviet states. If any are attacked, all respond. Maybe NATO is the place for them to do that, but I sorta suspect not, as their interests are highly specific in this regard.

And frankly I'm not sure it would work anyway. I fear Russia could whip 'em all, in whatever combination.

Not without nukes, but then, can't forget the damned nukes.

I think the advantage these days is all to the defense, as long as they're armed with modern weapons and play it asymetric.

OTOH, the best defense being a good offense, plans should be made to attack Russia and take Moscow - but then Russia would be on the defense, and good old father winter has protected them before, even without modern weapons.

Land war in Asia, not for the squeamish.*

*So Moscow is still Europe? Whatever.

662 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:42:32pm

re: #640 realwest

So am I.

663 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:42:53pm

re: #656 MandyManners

I have a friend who was a member of Socialist Action. I even attended her wedding.

Don't worry about it.

664 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:43:33pm

re: #656 MandyManners

His shtick is humiliation of women with whom he does not agree. Remember all the female politicians he called "whores" or "skanks" or the like?

And, yes, I was once a member of the CPUSA.

Yep. And to think that I offered to buy him lunch when he made it up my way. As for being a member of the CPUSA, hell I was once a member of the Libertarian party. We all make mistakes, but we learn and move on.

665 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:43:51pm

re: #645 Racer X

Paranoia, the destroyer.

I useta' post a link to Ozzy's "Crazy Train" when he'd start his ranting and throwing a thread off-track.

666 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:43:57pm

re: #634 Dianna Hi Dianna - how are you doing this evening? Btw, when you get a chance please check your e-mail!

667 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:44:05pm

re: #659 MandyManners

Good!

If you ever really, really need backup, just yell.

668 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:44:46pm

re: #648 NY Nana

He might not wait that long. But he must feel so impotent because he can't go after you here, and that hate blog has so few readers.

Please, please, please...any lizards who know what we are talking about, do not give the alleged blog any more attention. Let them wither away from inattention..and what ever you do, do not give the name or URL..I am not joking, as they have hijacked a number of nics, and use them. They are demented, to be kind.

Word.

669 Cartman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:44:58pm

re: #660 MandyManners

Oh, I see. I seem to have missed that particular meltdown.

670 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:45:07pm

re: #656 MandyManners

And, yes, I was once a member of the CPUSA.

You went to Cal Poly USA too? What year?

/

671 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:45:15pm

re: #654 JCM

Our "friend" has his own blog now?

Yep.

672 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:45:18pm

Hayseed Dixie: Walk This Way

673 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:45:53pm

re: #663 Dianna

I have a friend who was a member of Socialist Action. I even attended her wedding.

Don't worry about it.

Oh, I don't. Childish things and all that.

674 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:45:53pm

re: #635 slokat

I am pretty decent at the obvious, rational stuff, but when it comes to hints, clues, subtle signals sent by interested women, I am as dense as they come. Nevertheless, I thank you for your efforts. I have been given the info for the site.

Ugh. That site is a pile of fail made of sad, stupid, and impotence.

There's more to life than this.

675 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:45:59pm

re: #638 Cartman Please check your e-mail, too!

676 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:46:29pm

re: #659 MandyManners

Neither am I.

I have two nieces and a nephew (by marriage only) who are currently being "properly schooled" in Cairo. They just recently arrived there for their proper indoctrination period.

677 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:46:34pm

re: #664 Bubblehead II

Yep. And to think that I offered to buy him lunch when he made it up my way. As for being a member of the CPUSA, hell I was once a member of the Libertarian party. We all make mistakes, but we learn and move on.

Unless you're William Ayers.

678 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:46:48pm

re: #671 MandyManners

Yep.

*sigh*

679 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:46:55pm

re: #665 MandyManners

I useta' post a link to Ozzy's "Crazy Train" when he'd start his ranting and throwing a thread off-track.

I remember. You can be very subtle, then *whack*.

680 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:47:01pm

re: #667 Dianna

Good!

If you ever really, really need backup, just yell.

Thanks!

681 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:47:06pm

re: #660 MandyManners

Think of synonyms for "vicious country".

That rules out post colonial France and Belgium.

682 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:47:43pm

re: #646 Temujin Uh, tooth only hurts when I chew on it or grind my teeth - it'll hurt a LOT MORE after it's been pulled, but only for about 10 days or so then NO MORE PAIN!
What's the off the wall question?

683 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:47:45pm

re: #669 Cartman

Oh, I see. I seem to have missed that particular meltdown.

I did for a few hours. He came back under a sock-puppet.

684 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:47:57pm

re: #677 MandyManners

*Snicker*

Or BHO

685 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:48:03pm

re: #670 karmic_inquisitor

You went to Cal Poly USA too? What year?

/

It was in Seattle.

686 Windhorse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:48:09pm

calling it a "blog" is about as generous as you can get....

687 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:48:51pm

re: #682 realwest

Uh, tooth only hurts when I chew on it or grind my teeth - it'll hurt a LOT MORE after it's been pulled, but only for about 10 days or so then NO MORE PAIN!

Got Tequila?

688 Windhorse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:49:06pm

"glob" might be more appropriate.....

689 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:49:12pm

re: #676 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I have two nieces and a nephew (by marriage only) who are currently being "properly schooled" in Cairo. They just recently arrived there for their proper indoctrination period.

?

690 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:49:36pm

re: #679 Racer X

I remember. You can be very subtle, then *whack*.

I never whacked him.

691 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:49:51pm

Oh, shit. Ignore that one.

692 Mich-again  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:49:51pm

ZZ Top Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers

I likes me some Top.

693 razorbacker  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:50:00pm

re: #672 Racer X

My daughter loved that song, until I was listening to HD's version, where you can hear the lyrics.

She said, "I didn't know that song was dirty."

694 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:50:02pm

re: #660 MandyManners

Fuck...

695 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:50:13pm

re: #657 jorline NEXT Thursday? LOL - ok, I can't promise to be your eyes until probably Friday, but after that ya got a deal!

696 Cartman  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:50:24pm

re: #675 realwest

Checked and replied to.

697 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:50:41pm

re: #681 karmic_inquisitor

That rules out post colonial France and Belgium.

Maybe that's changing under Sarkozy.

698 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:50:44pm

re: #685 MandyManners

It was in Seattle.

I was stationed at Ft. Lewis for a while in the mid 80s.

Were we enemies then?

699 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:51:33pm

re: #682 realwest

What's the off the wall question?

I’m trying to learn more about the symbolism of being unshod - and particularly, how that symbolism interacts with issues that involve religion and death ; execution, in particular. I’ve already done a good deal of searching using both Google and dogpile, but thus far, I am not finding exactly what I am looking for. I’ll be happy to describe the sort of info that I have found, but before I do so, does any of this stir up any associations in your mind?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts you can offer me . . .

700 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:52:03pm

re: #694 Slumbering Behemoth

Yep. That's he.

701 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:52:08pm

re: #689 MandyManners

?

That was actually meant in response to the previous poster, CIA Reject. I apologize for clicking on the wrong quote link, Mandy.

My mind is in other places right now.

702 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:52:13pm

re: #681 karmic_inquisitor

Try thinking about the name of a certain radio talk show host who tried to sue cair

703 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:52:57pm

re: #698 karmic_inquisitor

I was stationed at Ft. Lewis for a while in the mid 80s.

Were we enemies then?

I hung out at Point Defiance a lot. What was the name of that bar? The Goldfish or something?

704 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:53:07pm

re: #687 karmic_inquisitor No, I'm an alcoholic so don't drink and don't keep anything alcoholic in the house.

705 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:54:09pm

re: #666 realwest

Replied, rw.

I'm doing all right. Just sitting here, because my Male is locked in battle with a server.

706 maddogg  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:54:11pm

re: #690 MandyManners

I never whacked him.


Like a bullet, you just can't call those back.....:)

707 Racer X  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:54:42pm

Before everyone jumps to the new thread - check this out.

Funny.

708 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:55:05pm

re: #653 Dianna

Somehow, I doubt I'd even notice. I can be remarkably oblivious.

Dang, are you lucky!

709 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:55:07pm

re: #676 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Oh, no!

710 Syrah  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:55:53pm

Hmm.

A global delete.

A most ignominious end.

711 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:56:28pm

re: #699 Temujin

the symbolism of being unshod - and particularly, how that symbolism interacts with issues that involve religion and death ; execution, in particular.

Uh, what?! I'm not sure I know if there's any symbolism between being barefoot and religion, death and execution (except, iirc, they would take off your shoes when they used the electric chair)!

712 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:56:50pm

re: #698 karmic_inquisitor

I was stationed at Ft. Lewis for a while in the mid 80s.

Were we enemies then?

My MIL is in Steilacoom. We can here the artillery when ever they're got an exercise on.

713 JCM  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 8:58:30pm

re: #707 Racer X

Before everyone jumps to the new thread - check this out.

Funny.

OMG! ROFLMAO!

714 Palandine  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:00:07pm

I've never, never understood the proliferation of blogs that are utterly free of content except for hatred of LGF. That kind of hate will eat you up.

I would venture to guess that LGF has more "stalker" blogs than any other on the interwebs.

/and they're all creepy.

715 swamprat  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:00:53pm

re: #654 JCM

Our "friend" has his own blog now?


Someone just needs to get a little help. Not throwing stones here. Just kind and well meant advice. Stalker-person, if you are reading this; relax. Take a breath. You started a blog. Now make a real one.

716 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:02:13pm

re: #700 MandyManners

Obviously, I have missed much. How very sad lame.

717 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:02:19pm

re: #707 Racer X

Before everyone jumps to the new thread - check this out.

Funny.

I hope she threw his pillow out of the bedroom.

718 Archimedes  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:02:58pm

re: #672 Racer X

Hayseed Dixie: Walk This Way

Sacrilege! And I thought the Run DMC version was bad. :D

Redemption:

Youtube Video

719 WindHorse  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:03:12pm

I'll never forget old what's his name.....

720 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:03:22pm

re: #716 Slumbering Behemoth

Obviously, I have missed much. How very sad lame.

Gotta' lash out somehow.

721 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:04:56pm

re: #711 realwest

Yes - well, that was sorta the first part of my question, whether you could specifically recall any associations that you had ever come across that involved making someone unshod as a preparation prior to executing him. Not ringing any bells, I gather . . .

722 realwest  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:05:24pm

re: #705 Dianna
Received and replied to you - I'm glad you're doing well, sorry that your Male is fighting with a server, though!

723 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:08:14pm

re: #668 MandyManners

I just went dumpster diving, and so far nothing. It seems to be dead as a doornail.

May it quickly go to the 'Dreaded Land of Dead Blogs™'.

724 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:08:27pm

re: #705 Dianna

I'm doing all right. Just sitting here, because my Male is locked in battle with a server.

It's so hard to find good help these days.

(Or is this some sort of S&M thing?)

725 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:14:48pm

re: #707 Racer X

Before everyone jumps to the new thread - check this out.

Funny.

Guns are not to be taken lightly. Sometimes a harmless object lesson is needed to drive that fact home.

I learned my lesson seeing my buddy get smacked by his dad at the rifle range. My first outing/introduction to firearms, cut short (harshly) by an angry father. Firearms are not toys.

726 wolfie  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:15:08pm

re: #699 Temujin

Random thoughts.

In the Roman world going barefoot was the mark of a slave.

For the (Descalced) Carmelites, it was a sign of humility and holy poverty.

Check out ancient art and also very early Christian art where footwear (and footprints) symbolize a voyage, especially the voyage beyond the grave. (Even the lowest slave wore at least sandals on a long trip.)

I don't suppose that helps much. I'd look at art history sites/books, if you haven't already.

727 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:18:45pm

re: #724 Occasional Reader

Sweetie, don't tempt me. I'm irate. I have come to regard the major company his company contracts with as 'active-stupid.'

This is a bad, bad thing.

728 Dianna  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:20:20pm

re: #726 wolfie

The Russians used to bury a person in their boots, "for they had a long journey to go."

The Gypsies say, "Bury me standing." Usually, a Gypsy/Rom is buried shod.

729 LaMano  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:42:22pm

Word has it that it was a virgin birth, too.

730 tradewind  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:44:35pm

re: #620 neocon hippie

geniie...bottle...
Just another Republican attack, a snarky-sneaky way to insinuate that Obama's a Muslim.
And no veiled references to flying carpets or allusions involving Camel cigarettes, either.....

731 Temujin  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:48:27pm

wolfie, Dianna: Thank you both for your responses to my question. I appreciate it.

732 Athos  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 9:57:54pm

John Hinderaker of Powerline clearly explains much about Obama including his numerous gaffes and knocks against his country.....

But one of the many problems with being a leftist is that it leads you to say lots of stupid things. Today, the Obama gaffe machine went into overdrive. By November, I suspect that most voters will have heard enough to know that Barack Obama is unqualified to be a middle-manager in a well-run company, let alone President of the United States.

733 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 10:07:53pm
734 eyore  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 10:25:25pm

Did anyone notice that FactCheck.org is the "Annenberg Fact Check"?

Not that I want to wear a tin-foil hat, but I will remind my fellow lizards that Annenberg is the organization that links Obama with William Ayers.

735 pimp_conservative  Thu, Aug 21, 2008 10:52:35pm

re: #197 Bubblehead II

Get real. This is a troofer conspiracy theory and nothing more.

BTW, your stats

Wow. When did LGF get comment tracking crazies like that? That's embarrassing.

736 L E Funt  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 2:30:49am

re: #9 buzzsawmonkey

A post-modern post turtle!

A nuanced post turtle, even!

737 Jimmah  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 2:55:57am

re: #674 Slumbering Behemoth

This guy seems to be counting on building a life out of getting banned from here. Could the next person to be banned maybe cut the drama down to, say, a full scale west end musical production or something?

738 iowavette  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 10:27:19am

It's a crying shame he's a native, and you all know it. As for all the behemoth stuff, speak English, dammit.

740 calvinista  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:27:38am

Charles, thanks for the Chick-ism.

741 Dotcoman  Sun, Aug 24, 2008 11:04:20am

re: #739 ent

It may not be over yet:

Philip J. Berg, Esq. Files Federal Lawsuit Requesting Obama Be Removed as a Candidate as he does not meet the Qualifications for President

Man, I was just logging in to post that. A friend of mine ran across it yesterday.

He's got an interesting point about Barrack's sister being born out of the US and his mom bringing her back to Hawaii and having her birth registered there.

I was wondering if this birth cert for Obambi could be the same deal?


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