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Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:00:00 pm PDT

Youth is easily deceived because it is quick to hope.

Aristotle

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1 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:00:26pm

Biden is an idiot!

2 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:01:00pm

"Youth is easily deceived because it is quick to hope."

Obama campaign manager

3 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:01:51pm

He's a self absorbed ninny who brings nothing, and I mean nothing to the ticket.

4 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:02:15pm

Biden...

Bwahahahahaha!

5 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:02:35pm

re: #1 DesertSage

Biden is an idiot!

A long-winded one. The worst kind.

6 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:02:43pm

Noam?

7 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:02:49pm

re: #1 DesertSage

Biden is an idiot!

What does that say about the people who elected him to public office?

8 kahall  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:03:36pm

Oh yeah? What about some CHANGE to go along with that HOPE Mr smarty pants Aristotle...whoever that is.

9 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:03:46pm

It's almost like the democrats forgot how to elect a president.

Gore?

Kerry?

An untested junior senator?

Sure. He's a shoe-in.

10 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:03:50pm

Can I post if I ain't clean and articulate?

11 mbruce  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:04:03pm

re: #7 The Other Les

What does that say about the people who elected him to public office?

This ticket will still get lots and lots of votes. frightening

12 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:04:03pm

Sage?

13 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:04:12pm

Is Youth also quick to change?

14 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:04:12pm

Obama/Biden '08
?
?
?

Hahahahahaha.....

Now that's funny!

15 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:04:39pm

re: #3 MrPaulRevere

He's a self absorbed ninny who brings nothing, and I mean nothing to the ticket.

The Donks have once again nominated people who present as their primary qualification for public office the fact that they are unfit for public office.

16 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:05:06pm

Noam, how's the squirrel?

17 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:05:22pm

Biden is an idiotic gaffe machine, but so is Obama. I'm thinking Obama picked Biden because he wanted a VP that made him look good by comparison. He may have succeeded.

18 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:05:24pm

It took all this time to find a plagiarizer with hair plugs?

19 Intrepid  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:05:25pm

What a gift to John McCain! Mr Gaffe Himself!

Joe's statements will come back to bite Obama in the butt.

Hee!

20 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:05:30pm

Apparently, to draw in the votes, Obama/Biden will hold their own version of this risque New Zealand parade!

21 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:06:02pm

Biden is a caricature of a leftist: A narcissist who is intoxicated with his own sanctimony. I suspect uber red diaper baby David Axelrod REALLY picked him.

22 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:06:03pm

Regarding Biden, most of Kos's posts are between luke-warm and ballistic.

23 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:06:08pm

re: #16 DesertSage

Haven't heard any reports back, yet. He was a scrappy, little guy for not having opened his eyes, yet. I think he'll pull through.

24 SpartanWoman  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:06:26pm

re: #22 hermeneutics

Regarding Biden, most of Kos's posts are between luke-warm and ballistic.

Cool!

25 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:06:36pm

Let the gaffing commence.

26 Rev. Churchmouse  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:07:07pm

But..but..but.... he has foreign policy experience.

and he was for the surge before Obama was against it!

27 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:07:23pm

Biden on Hillary:

“Are they going to turn to Hillary Clinton?” Biden asked, lowering his voice to a hush to explain why Mrs. Clinton won’t win the election.

“Everyone in the world knows her,” he said. “Her husband has used every single legitimate tool in his behalf to lock people in, shut people down. Legitimate. And she can’t break out of 30 percent for a choice for Democrats? Where do you want to be? Do you want to be in a place where 100 percent of the Democrats know you? They’ve looked at you for the last three years. And four out of 10 is the max you can get?”

[Link: 2008central.net...]

Obama picked the one person that will fire up the Hillary supporters. Gonna be fun to watch.

28 Abu Maven  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:07:34pm

Since Biden never served in the military, but voted for the Iraq war, does that make him a "chicken hawk"?

29 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:08:13pm

re: #9 Noam Sayin'

It's almost like the democrats forgot how to elect a president.

Gore?

Kerry?

An untested junior senator?

Sure. He's a shoe-in.

The arrogance of the Democrat is that s/he assumes that their beliefs are the gold standard of human thinking and behavior. Therefore, anybody who does not Believe must be a delusional idiot, or evil.

"Everybody should be like us" - actual quote from a classmate of mine at a Massachusetts state college, September of 2004 ("Us" and "Everybody" meaning, MA and the rest of the country, respectively).

It never occurs to them that they might be, like... Wrong. Or even fallible.

30 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:08:22pm

Smiling Faces

/Undisputed Truth

31 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:08:53pm

re: #17 Neo Con since 9-11

Biden is an idiotic gaffe machine, but so is Obama. I'm thinking Obama picked Biden because he wanted a VP that made him look good by comparison. He may have succeeded.

I seriously doubt that he really is that smart.

The questions to ask are who is really pulling the strings, and who really benefits from this?

32 winston06  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:08:57pm

re: #1 DesertSage

Biden is an idiot!

Slow Joe Biden is silly

33 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:09:20pm

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

Hillary as VP could have given them the election.

34 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:09:59pm

re: #31 The Other Les

I seriously doubt that he really is that smart.

The questions to ask are who is really pulling the strings, and who really benefits from this?

Hillary?

35 hazzyday  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:10:01pm

Will anyone be able to shut Biden up once he starts talking?

36 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:10:22pm

Well, Biden has accepted.

I don't get the timing, but whatever.

37 SpartanWoman  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:10:28pm

re: #35 hazzyday

Will anyone be able to shut Biden up once he starts talking?

Michelle Obama

38 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:10:53pm

This is a great quote from Kos.

Wasn't this supposed to be a secret until tomorrow? This is like waking up and catching Mom place the presents under the Christmas tree. Now a bunch of people who signed on believing that they would know before the media might feel as if they had been cheated into giving the campaign their email addresses and phone numbers.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

39 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:07pm

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

Brilliant analysis, I'd give that a thousand dings if I could.

40 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:17pm

re: #37 SpartanWoman

Michelle Obama

Wonder if she's proud tonight?

41 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:32pm

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

Nice one. Favorited that.

On that note, Charles, if you're tuning in. I tried to click on the resulting green heart, and it won't take me to the 'manage my favorites' screen, so I could add a tag. This was once a feature, was it not?

Anyone?

42 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:36pm

re: #34 DesertSage

Hillary?

This would set her up for the "I told you so" campaign of 2012.

That, or the space aliens will invade the Earth, and the world will end.

43 SpartanWoman  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:39pm

re: #36 Cognito

Well, Biden has accepted.

I don't get the timing, but whatever.

I wonder how far down the list he was. With Barry sinking being his running mate might not seem like such a great idea.

44 garycooper  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:43pm

Cancel my subscription to the resurrection!

45 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:50pm

Joe Biden?

You've got to be kidding me.

Isn't he a washed up hack?

46 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:12:06pm

Obama bin Biden!

47 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:12:40pm

re: #45 zombie

That is what's being reported. My thought? 24 hour rule.

48 Boxy_brown  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:12:41pm

Should have gone for Neil Kinnock and cut out the middle man.

49 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:12:52pm

re: #17 Neo Con since 9-11

Biden is an idiotic gaffe machine, but so is Obama. I'm thinking Obama picked Biden because he wanted a VP that made him look good by comparison. He may have succeeded.

In politics, we call that the "Quayle Strategy."

50 papa_giorgio  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:12:56pm

.

Shakespeare:

“ …right and wrong
(Between whose endless jar justice resides)
Should lose their names, and so should justice too.
Then everything includes itself in power,
And appetite, and universal wolf,
So doubly seconded with will and power,
Must make perforce an universal prey,
And last eat up himself.”

.

51 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:13:00pm

I love the smell of hubris in the morning. Gaffe-o-matic. Maybe they can be called 'Ears and Plugs'? Obama/Biden, we'll be quoting you without attribution.....

Is it possible that the choice of Biden is to head off any shenanigans the Clintons might try to pull? I feel like dancing as if I were Gollum after he bit Frodos finger off and had the ring back in his possession....

52 TheMatrix31  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:13:44pm

re: #46 carbon footprint

Obama bin Biden!

I put that as the status for my Facebook page. Let's see if I get any feedback.

53 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:13:49pm

re: #31 The Other Les

I seriously doubt that he really is that smart.

The questions to ask are who is really pulling the strings, and who really benefits from this?

Bayh would have been a perfect choice, actually, from the POV of the Obama machine. Moderate, consistent, uncommitted to the left/right split, is not a f-cking idiot when it comes to things like Iraq, looks relatively young (so you could play the "youth" angle to go along with Obamessiah being ze Germans' much-adored "bleck Che-Iff-Kay"), has the image of a classic blue collar for-the-working-man kind of dem, and on paper he's as Republican as McPain is Democrat.

I think Soros Puppetmasters LLC dropped the ball with this one, if Biden really is the choice.

Hint: Pick somebody with internally consistent beliefs next time. See you fuckers in 2012!

54 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:14:27pm

I would love to have heard the thinking that went into this decision.

55 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:14:40pm

re: #36 Cognito

Well, Biden has accepted.

I don't get the timing, but whatever.

Timing? Its the choice that confuses. How easy will it be to discuss plagiarism and gaffes with these two? Obama runs without a record and Biden is easily scrutinized and torn apart.

56 Boxy_brown  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:01pm

Biden thinks Obama is "clean" mainly because he doesn't work in a 7/11.

57 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:02pm

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

The arrogance of the Democrat is that s/he assumes that their beliefs are the gold standard of human thinking and behavior. Therefore, anybody who does not Believe must be a delusional idiot, or evil.

"Everybody should be like us" - actual quote from a classmate of mine at a Massachusetts state college, September of 2004 ("Us" and "Everybody" meaning, MA and the rest of the country, respectively).

It never occurs to them that they might be, like... Wrong. Or even fallible.

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
- William F. Buckley Jr.

58 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:12pm

re: #52 TheMatrix31

I stole it from Ace of Spades. It is the best I have seen so far.
Though Smugs/Plugs '08 is good as well. Not sure who did that one.

59 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:15pm

re: #45 zombie

Joe Biden?

You've got to be kidding me.

Isn't he a washed up hack?

They've never let anything like a fact of reality get in the way of their parade.

60 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:18pm

re: #45 zombie

Joe Biden?

You've got to be kidding me.

Isn't he a washed up hack?

Obama being the lost, fatherless narcissist he is, perhaps he only looks for himself, wherever he goes.

/zen

61 kahall  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:20pm

I see Obama had to go all the way to the bottom of the barrel.

62 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:16:07pm

2 Senators on a ticket! McCain MUST pick a governor now.

63 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:16:11pm

re: #55 coquimbojoe

Timing? Its the choice that confuses. How easy will it be to discuss plagiarism and gaffes with these two? Obama runs without a record and Biden is easily scrutinized and torn apart.

All that is assumed -- but I'm really puzzed by the timing... 2 a.m. EST?

That's when you announce your impending indictment for white slavery. Not your VP pick.

64 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:16:19pm

McCain just clinched with B.O's pick.

65 kahall  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:16:43pm

Someone round up the Clarence Thomas hearing records. STAT!

66 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:16:51pm

re: #57 DesertSage

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
- William F. Buckley Jr.

Damn that Buckley and his smartination. He done said what I did say with less o' them thar words. Sheeit.

67 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:01pm

re: #45 zombie

Joe Biden?

You've got to be kidding me.

Isn't he a washed up hack?

It balances the new hackiness of Obama nicely....

68 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:04pm

re: #53 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm not convinced he's the choice, to be honest. Maybe they're raising one last trial balloon?

If it is Biden -- great! I've been poking around Kos and clearly Kos's posters are angry. Obama may lose the adoration and worship of his most deluded/committed followers.

A net-plus for McCain. And McCain has the opportunity to choose wisely knowing that Obama has already played this card.

69 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:06pm

re: #46 carbon footprint

Obama bin Biden!

Instant classic! I suspect you will go down in history for that one.

70 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:12pm

Oh, shit. My bookmarks didn't transfer over to my new computer.

I'd implore someone for assistance, but it's late. If anyone knows how to bring those over give me a shout out tomorrow or Sunday.

71 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:34pm

If only the National Enquirer had held off on the Edwards story. If Obama had picked him, Edwards would have gone down as one of the biggest chumps in history. But then, Hillary may have stepped in once the affair was disclosed.

72 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:46pm

re: #62 carbon footprint

2 Senators on a ticket! McCain MUST pick a governor now.



Sarah Palin!

73 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:18:01pm

re: #69 zombie

Instant classic! I suspect you will go down in history for that one.

I stole it Zombie! From Ace of Spades in the comments.

74 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:18:47pm

re: #68 hermeneutics

If it is Biden -- great! I've been poking around Kos and clearly Kos's posters are angry. Obama may lose the adoration and worship of his most deluded/committed followers.

Is it really so hard to lose the support of people who don't even understand what they want anyway?

Revolution Eats Itself, always. The problem is that Revolution has become a hip lifestyle and there's too many of them now.

I can't wait for the Republicans to invent SkyNet, so I can send a T-800 back in time to kill Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

75 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:19:02pm

re: #72 DesertSage


Sarah Palin!

Absolutely. A governor and a female to attract the PUMA vote.

76 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:19:21pm

re: #63 Cognito

All that is assumed -- but I'm really puzzed by the timing... 2 a.m. EST?

That's when you announce your impending indictment for white slavery. Not your VP pick.

I agree, I think they didn't want to be accused of trying to upstage the Olympics. Not only in this case, but If Obama made up his mind earlier, why not just come out with it? Everybodies' panties have been bunching all week. I hope McCodger handles it better.

77 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:19:30pm

re: #56 Boxy_brown

Biden thinks Obama is "clean" mainly because he doesn't work in a 7/11.

Well, there goes the Indian-American vote.

Chip, chip, chip, one chip at a time, until the boulder cracks.

78 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:19:53pm

re: #72 DesertSage


Sarah Palin!

Grr...

79 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:01pm

re: #75 carbon footprint

Shouldn't the M in PUMA be an H?

80 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:15pm

Clean and Jerk, '08

81 nigella  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:20pm

Are any of you as sick as I am hearing about McCain not knowing how many houses he owns? What on God's green earth does that have to do with being President of the United States?

82 rightwinger3  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:36pm

re: #38 hermeneutics

This is a great quote from Kos.

Wasn't this supposed to be a secret until tomorrow? This is like waking up and catching Mom place the presents under the Christmas tree. Now a bunch of people who signed on believing that they would know before the media might feel as if they had been cheated into giving the campaign their email addresses and phone numbers.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Excellent.

Thx 4 ur info, biden iz ur vp!

83 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:43pm

re: #74 Pawn of the Oppressor

Is it really so hard to lose the support of people who don't even understand what they want anyway?

Revolution Eats Itself, always. The problem is that Revolution has become a hip lifestyle and there's too many of them now.

I can't wait for the Republicans to invent SkyNet, so I can send a T-800 back in time to kill Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

Blockade the centers of revolution and let the cannibals eat each other.

/

84 kahall  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:48pm

re: #80 Cognito

Clean and Jerk, '08

LOL!

85 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:50pm

re: #72 DesertSage


Sarah Palin!

I don't know, something about her is kinda fishy....

/

86 Edouard  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:53pm

Republican ad-makers have got to be licking their chops right now.

87 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:20pm

re: #31 The Other Les

I seriously doubt that he really is that smart.

The questions to ask are who is really pulling the strings, and who really benefits from this?

I don't know who else would want Biden on the ticket. Hilary can't stand Biden. Soros has only contributed $1,000 (chump change for Soros) to Biden and that was back in 2001. This seems like zombie called it "The Quayle Strategy".

88 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:21pm

re: #80 Cognito

Dammit, dude. You know I dislilke you, but I had to ding you up for that one.

89 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:23pm

re: #73 carbon footprint

I stole it Zombie! From Ace of Spades in the comments.

Well, you're a first-class thief! You know good material.

90 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:35pm

re: #81 nigella

Are any of you as sick as I am hearing about McCain not knowing how many houses he owns? What on God's green earth does that have to do with being President of the United States?

It doesn't. I think the Obama campaign is spinning its wheels, frantically trying to find some way to restore his Messiah status.

91 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:38pm

re: #80 Cognito

Clean and Jerk, '08

I think that is the best thing you ever written. Very funny!

92 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:41pm

re: #88 Noam Sayin'

Well, hey, it's the Olympics.

93 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:22:16pm

re: #74 Pawn of the Oppressor

Some revolutions eat non-revolutionaries before they eat themselves.

94 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:22:28pm

It's the Clean Team.

95 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:22:37pm

re: #75 carbon footprint

Absolutely. A governor and a female to attract the PUMA vote.

His first priority with Palin would be to get her on TV somewhere alone, by herself, up against somebody from Obama's camp, to defuse the accusation that she's window dressing. Hell, have her debate Obie himself, one on one... Imagine the Obamessiah being shredded by McPain's pretty little VP? Ouch.

96 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:22:44pm

re: #77 zombie

Well, there goes the Indian-American vote.

Chip, chip, chip, one chip at a time, until the boulder cracks.

From The Campaign Spot:

One last thought before bed: Imagine McCain picking Gov. Bobby Jindal. First line at the debate, "Senator, before we begin our debate, let me clarify for you that I don't work at a 7-11."

97 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:00pm

re: #74 Pawn of the Oppressor

I can't wait for the Republicans to invent SkyNet, so I can send a T-800 back in time to kill Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

I just woke up the nieghbor's cat laughing at that one.

98 Irene NYC  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:04pm

re: #68 hermeneutics

It's front page New York Times. That's as official as it gets.

99 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:27pm
100 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:44pm

I'll say it again, Ears and Plugs '08.

/ Not really sure it warranted a second go around, but I like it.

101 Edouard  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:46pm

re: #63 Cognito

All that is assumed -- but I'm really puzzed by the timing... 2 a.m. EST?

That's when you announce your impending indictment for white slavery. Not your VP pick.

The timing was clearly a flub. Middle of the night VP announcement, half of America gone to bed and not watching their text messages anymore, some newspapers won't have it in the morning. It was a flub but Obama's camp will probably never explain it.

102 Abu Maven  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:52pm

re: #65 kahall

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

103 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:00pm

Ears and Mouth.

104 Canadian Guy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:22pm

re: #98 Irene NYC

It's front page New York Times. That's as official as it gets.

I won't believe it until I get my text message. Barak told me I'd be the very first to know. Still waiting ....

105 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:27pm

re: #80 Cognito

Clean and Jerk, '08

Not bad. Worked in an Olympics theme there, too.

106 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:34pm

re: #95 Pawn of the Oppressor

His first priority with Palin would be to get her on TV somewhere alone, by herself, up against somebody from Obama's camp, to defuse the accusation that she's window dressing. Hell, have her debate Obie himself, one on one... Imagine the Obamessiah being shredded by McPain's pretty little VP? Ouch.

True. Also, can you imagine a debate between she and Biden? Biden, with his demeanor, would end up looking like the tool that he is to everyone!

107 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:47pm

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

It never occurs to them that they might be, like... Wrong. Or even fallible.


A well-known remark of Oliver Cromwell, the leader of the Parliamentary New Model Army in England's 17th century Civil War, comes from a letter he wrote to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland in 1650:

"I beseech you in the bowels of Christ think it possible you may be mistaken."

Democrats:
Arrogant in their wastefulness, indecision and determination to be weak.

108 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:51pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

That is what's being reported. My thought? 24 hour rule.

Luddite? The cat's been out of the back for about two hours.

/come sunrise, or whenever they manage to wake up, there's going to be millions of unhappy LLL campers who gave up their contact information and credit card number for the promised first text notification

109 Irene NYC  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:25:15pm

re: #77 zombie

Only the richest "minority" in the country.
;)

110 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:25:44pm

re: #106 carbon footprint

Palin debating Biden. I'd pay to see that.

111 Boxy_brown  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:25:46pm

re: #80 Cognito

Outstanding!

112 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:25:49pm

Barack and Joe Biden Time

113 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:26:01pm

Doll-Hair? Or Joe Bosley?

The left loves idiot names for their opposition. So, we might as well join the fray. Shall we from here on out call Biden "Joe Bosley"? after the Bosley Medical Group (they put hair on balding men's domes). Or shall we simply refer to him as "Doll-Hair". I, for one, prefer Doll-Hair. And am willing to start a movement.

114 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:26:05pm

re: #101 Edouard

The timing was clearly a flub. Middle of the night VP announcement, half of America gone to bed and not watching their text messages anymore, some newspapers won't have it in the morning. It was a flub but Obama's camp will probably never explain it.

It's worse than that, really. NO papers will have it tomorrow. EVERYONE has gone to bed.

Totally mysterious. If they do explain it, there will probably be some slick and plausible-sounding reason, I'm sure.

115 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:26:36pm

On the plus side for Obama: Now he's got Delaware's 3 electoral vote locked up!

116 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:26:53pm

re: #108 Killian Bundy

Luddite? The cat's been out of the back for about two hours.

/come sunrise, or whenever they manage to wake up, there's going to be millions of unhappy LLL campers who gave up their contact information and credit card number for the promised first text notification

Obama texts them from Sinai

"no cmdmts now, just got back from vacation. hawaii was awsum! vote 4 obama lol"

117 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:26:59pm

re: #101 Edouard

The timing was clearly a flub. Middle of the night VP announcement, half of America gone to bed and not watching their text messages anymore, some newspapers won't have it in the morning. It was a flub but Obama's camp will probably never explain it.

I'm almost starting to believe that BHO got a bunch of rejections and had to scramble to his "B" list. Biden might be taking one for the team.

118 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:18pm

This is going to get fun!

119 Killer Tomato  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:19pm

The more I think about it, the more I think his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.... choices turned him down and it was Biden by default.

Be that as it may, as I said on the other thread -
Mr. McCain was certainly not my first choice, but tomorrow I'll be at the local campaign office volunteering my time - the first time I've ever done so for a candidate for anything.
I've worked full-time since I was 17 and I've saved so that one day I could retire - not so it could be taken from me and redistributed.
I spent 5 years in uniform defending this country against Communism and I'm sure as hell not going to vote one into the Oval Office, or sit on my ass and watch it happen.

120 nigella  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:23pm

Zombie, I bet Obama was really sweating over those three votes!

121 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:32pm

#80 Clean and Jerk is pretty tight too. :)

122 rightwinger3  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:42pm

re: #80 Cognito

Clean and Jerk, '08

Cog, you better trademark this shit and start printing bumper stickers now otherwise it's all for naught.

123 dhimmishelter  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:42pm

Biden, what a gift. The loquacious senator will be the gift that keeps on giving.

Hewitt, Medved, Laura, Rush, et. al., will have so much tape to run on the musings from this self-absorbed boor that additional narrative on his contradictory rants and ravings will not be necessary.

Barry is even less the empty suit for "change" than I could have ever imagined. Thanks to the "the one" for making such a conventional, losing, choice.

Lloyd Bentsen was a much a better choice for Dukakis, pity he was not available for the messiah. McGovern settled for Sargent Shriver, minus the Kennedyesque attraction. Still did not work. Won't work now. So much for the change we all have been waiting for.

Behold his mighty hand!

Thanks Barry. Best to you and My Belle. Cannot wait to see you lose in November. Biden has inspired me to work harder than ever to keep you and your baby-face in the greatest deliberative body. At least there your radical tendencies are mitigated by 49 others. With any luck you will drop into insignificance, where you belong.

Change? I don't think so.

124 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:44pm

re: #100 coquimbojoe

I'll say it again, Ears and Plugs '08.

/ Not really sure it warranted a second go around, but I like it.

Maybe simply Ear-Plugs would be more concise and memorable.

125 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:16pm

re: #60 Pawn of the Oppressor

Obama being the lost, fatherless narcissist he is, perhaps he only looks for himself, wherever he goes.

/zen

That's it! He just chose a father-figure for VP!

126 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:23pm

A good friend of mine, who happens to be very liberal, told me that Democrats always find a way to lose.
Now I know what he's talking about.

127 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:33pm

re: #115 zombie

On the plus side for Obama: Now he's got Delaware's 3 electoral vote locked up!

Plus the hair plug vote.

128 El matamoros  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:46pm

Bhawhawhaw! This is so great, Even the political elites of CNN are trying to figure out "what he brings" to the ticket! well............he is white and he is so clean and well spoken! ROFL!

But seriously, Hes a northerner, hes a libby, hes' NOT a woman OR the Hildebeast, He hates guns, Hes a total D.C. insider who served on the senate for almost 40 frakin years! Even the state he is from is soooo small that is only has 3 electoral votes. He came in FORTH during the primaries, behind even Edwards. He's NOT EVEN FROM A SWING VOTE REGION like the Rust belt or Ohio. its official, Obama is the biggest dope on the planet.
Who gives his advice? OPRAH?

129 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:52pm

Ol' Plugs speaks.

/from the gaping maw hisself

130 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:55pm

re: #114 Cognito

It's worse than that, really. NO papers will have it tomorrow. EVERYONE has gone to bed.

Totally mysterious. If they do explain it, there will probably be some slick and plausible-sounding reason, I'm sure.

I bet they blame some one for jumping the gun. Obama has a habit of blaming others for mistakes and taking no responsibility (OK that goes for most all politicians).

131 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:56pm

re: #81 nigella

Are any of you as sick as I am hearing about McCain not knowing how many houses he owns? What on God's green earth does that have to do with being President of the United States?


Please see my #807 on the Veep-1 thread.

132 Killer Tomato  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:29:38pm

re: #128 El matamoros

Who gives his advice? OPRAH?


Clooney

133 arizona9  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:30:06pm

. Maybe they can be called 'Ears and Plugs'? Obama/Biden

Lol. Or Jugs and Plugs?

134 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:30:43pm

How can Obama make such a stupendous gaffe, a foolish maneuver, as nominating a Washington Insider, someone who is part of the problem, as his Veep on a party platform of Change...

That alone gives us a frigging 500 pound bomb to drop on the campaign.

I smell fakery...

135 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:30:46pm

re: #115 zombie

On the plus side for Obama: Now he's got Delaware's 3 electoral vote locked up!

Realwest laid a classy snark to that effect on the last thread as he was signing off.

136 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:30:49pm

re: #130 coquimbojoe

I bet they blame some one for jumping the gun. Obama has a habit of blaming others for mistakes and taking no responsibility (OK that goes for most all politicians).

Sounds likely. An AP story crossed the wire a little bit ago that quoted an anonymous Democratic staffer. But even still -- who cares? It's nothing, until Obama stands on the courthouse steps and speaketh the name.

If that's the reasoning, it's a major miscalculation, in my estimation.

137 Wendya  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:31:22pm

So it's Biden, huh?

Do they ever get tired of losing?

138 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:31:56pm

re: #134 kuffar

How can Obama make such a stupendous gaffe, a foolish maneuver, as nominating a Washington Insider, someone who is part of the problem, as his Veep on a party platform of Change...

That alone gives us a frigging 500 pound bomb to drop on the campaign.

I smell fakery...

His whole history is one of bad choices. He is just following the logical path he set for himself.

139 Irene NYC  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:32:21pm

I still don't get it. They had Caroline Kennedy heading up the VP search committee.

But I'm certainly not complaining.
;)

140 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:33:08pm

Biden on Obama:

Q: But when you were asked, "Is he ready?" you said, "I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."

BIDEN: I think I stand by the statement.

141 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:33:08pm

re: #137 Wendya

Apparently not.

They should've listened to Billary...

142 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:33:19pm

Here's another one: Smug and Plugs

143 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:33:46pm

re: #137 Wendya

So it's Biden, huh?

Do they ever get tired of losing?

The Messiah will not lose! It will be stolen from His Holy Benevolent Gob of Graciousness. Expect all hell to break loose when he does.

144 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:13pm

re: #122 rightwinger3

Cog, you better trademark this shit and start printing bumper stickers now otherwise it's all for naught.

I'll retire on the royalties. I'll name my next child "Comment 80."

145 swamprat  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:13pm

Biden is a feint. Nobody is that stupid. He is trying to get McCain to show his cards. I doubt McCain will fall for the bluff. Both sides have some big surprise to reveal at the last minute. That is why they are keeping their running mates a secret until the last hour. I cannot remember when vice-presidential running mates have been kept secret until the last possible moment. If you believe Obama is just now picking a mate, or that McCain has yet to decide; I have a fine selection of bridges to sell you. They are top-choice investments, and are all in good condition. ...Start your own toll bridge! Sell advertising on side-rails! Collect the entire set!

146 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:29pm

re: #143 coquimbojoe

The Messiah will not lose! It will be stolen from His Holy Benevolent Gob of Graciousness. Expect all hell to break loose when he does.

Literally...

147 Inquisitive  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:33pm

re: #100 coquimbojoe

I'll say it again, Ears and Plugs '08.

/ Not really sure it warranted a second go around, but I like it.


Oh it diffently warrants a second go round....I heart tagged it......Love It

148 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:43pm

Joe Biden is like Bud Abbott and Lou Costello in one body.

149 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:50pm

Here's a comment Biden once made about Obama.(spin off link this thread):

"… in order to look tough, he's undermined his ability to be tough, were he president. Because if you're going to go into Pakistan -- which is already our policy by the way, if there's actionable intelligence -- you need actionable intelligence from moderates within Pakistan working with you. Now if you're already going to say I'm going to disregard whatever the country thinks and going to invade, the likelihood you're getting the cooperation you need evaporates. It's a well intended notion he has, but it's a very naïve way of figuring out how you're going to conduct foreign policy."

Biden calls Obama's foreign policy "naive"! Sweet how this Internet thingy works!

150 planetbrian  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:54pm

re: #21 MrPaulRevere

I'm thinking McCain will pick either Romney or Pallin for VP. What do you think? If he picked Pallin I think it would a brilliant pick?

151 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:35:03pm

Heaven help us if the Democrats ever get their rear in gear and get behind a real candidate... If they ever get a real candidate.

152 NY Nana  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:35:13pm

re: #114 Cognito

It's worse than that, really. NO papers will have it tomorrow. EVERYONE has gone to bed.

Totally mysterious. If they do explain it, there will probably be some slick and plausible-sounding reason, I'm sure.

Uh, al-NY Times has it online already.


G'nite, all. Sweet dreams.

153 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:35:42pm

re: #126 DesertSage

A good friend of mine, who happens to be very liberal, told me that Democrats always find a way to lose.
Now I know what he's talking about.

One of my LLL friends has been quietly skeptical of the DNC's choice for quite a while, now.

Came a long way from having a Keith Ellison sign in the front yard.

-2 years.

154 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:36:19pm

re: #136 Cognito

Sounds likely. An AP story crossed the wire a little bit ago that quoted an anonymous Democratic staffer. But even still -- who cares? It's nothing, until Obama stands on the courthouse steps and speaketh the name.

If that's the reasoning, it's a major miscalculation, in my estimation.

If they now switch VPs on us at this stage, it will looks even more desperate, bizarre, and blundering. It will seem like they floated Biden as a trial balloon, and when the nutroots imploded with fury, Obama decided to pull the ol' switcheroo. No matter how he would spin it, that's how it would be perceived.

Hence, I think they've got to stick with Biden now. Sorta like Marisa Tomei and the Best Supporting Actress Oscar.

155 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:36:20pm

It's bad enough that Hillary has been upstaged by Obama, now she's been upstaged by Joe Biden!

There's only so much that the woman can take.
There will be fireworks at the convention...for sure!

156 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:36:25pm

re: #150 planetbrian

Just can Palin stand against Biden in a debate... She seems untested in that regard.

157 rightwinger3  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:37:02pm

re: #144 Cognito

I'll retire on the royalties. I'll name my next child "Comment 80."

I'd go for "Comment 80 on the Overnight Open Thread". A little long but that's just me.

158 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:37:43pm

re: #155 DesertSage

Please, please, please....

159 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:38:02pm

re: #148 HelloDare

Joe Biden is like Bud Abbott and Lou Costello in one body.

Actually, Bill Richardson is Lou Costello.

That might be why he grew the goatee.

160 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:38:48pm

re: #140 solomonpanting

Biden on Obama:

Oh, that's fantastic. I can envison the McCain ad already:

"Even Obama's own Vice President thinks Obama is not ready for the job..."

161 Westward Ho  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:39:54pm

Who is Stinky Beaumont?

162 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:39:58pm

re: #159 Noam Sayin'

Actually, Bill Richardson is Lou Costello.

That might be why he grew the goatee.

I thought it was to obscure the incoherent stuff erupting from his mouth.

163 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:40:11pm

re: #148 HelloDare

Joe Biden is like Bud Abbott and Lou Costello in one body.

This thread is on a roll!

164 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:40:47pm

re: #161 Westward Ho

Who is Stinky Beaumont?

Some smelly guy who lives in Texas?

165 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:13pm

So I hit up YouTube and did a straight search for "Joe Biden".

The guy apparently has a habit of dropping vehement criticism and then wandering off on tangents, spewing off-target slogans disguised as policy, in a manner that makes you want to punch his lights out.

The similarity of attitude and delivery between Biden and Reverend Wright is interesting.

166 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:32pm

re: #160 zombie

Nice of the Democrats to give us their Ads isn't it...

167 TheMatrix31  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:34pm

You guys are saying Palin would mop up with Biden, so is she considered an awesome speaker/debater or what? I've read about her stances and who she is, which has made me fall in love with the potential of her being picked, but to be honest I've never seen her in a debate or anything.

168 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:37pm

re: #163 zombie

This thread is on a roll!


Because lizards can cut the mustard.

169 Edouard  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:42pm

One big problem for Obama with this pick is that Biden is another one with no executive management experience to speak of. He's been a senator for the large majority of his adult life. So that makes a filled-out ticket of two total non-executives running for our Chief Executive office.

Senators are talkers. They are the Advise and Consent branch and so their job is to talk, not to manage or to delegate on anywhere near a presidential scale. I don't trust senators to be the best quick, pragmatic executive responders to crises or complex, large-scale urgent issues that presidents must sometimes deal with. I must say that for these reasons, because he is a senator, I am still not all that happy with McCain as the top-of-the-ticket Republican.

My main hope now is that McCain picks a governor and not another senator.

170 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:55pm

re: #136 Cognito

Sounds likely. An AP story crossed the wire a little bit ago that quoted an anonymous Democratic staffer. But even still -- who cares? It's nothing, until Obama stands on the courthouse steps and speaketh the name.

If that's the reasoning, it's a major miscalculation, in my estimation.

It may be a miscalculation but it could be in Obama's favor if he spins it as "playing the media."

171 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:42:13pm

B.O. knew he was going to lose, so he's throw Biden under the bus in Nov. by blaming him for the loss.

172 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:42:20pm

re: #161 Westward Ho

Who is Stinky Beaumont?

Charles' janitorial alter-ego. He cleans up the place, when it needs cleanin'.

173 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:42:33pm

re: #161 Westward Ho

Who is Stinky Beaumont?

Been here since before registration and you've know idea who Stinky is?

BTW, you wouldn't happened to managed and booked gigs at a certain bar in Grand Forks, ND, would ya?

174 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:43:14pm

Let me try again:

B.O. knew he was going to lose, so he's going to throw Biden under the bus in November, blaming him for the loss.

175 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:43:23pm

How long before the press gets to ask Ol' Plugs questions, preferebly at a 711?

/he doesn't seem to have a campaign staff besides his sister, the Obama self absorbed juggernaut will quickly sedate Biden before they roll him out

176 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:44:08pm

re: #169 Edouard

The one thing McCain has going for him is that he's one of the few Senators who is not a lawyer. I think that's one of the reasons the difference between him and The One was so stark at Saddleback last weekend.

Remember, the Senate is nicknamed "The World's Greatest Deliberative Body" or something like that. Or just another phrase for a whole lotta hot air!

177 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:44:35pm

re: #155 DesertSage

It's bad enough that Hillary has been upstaged by Obama, now she's been upstaged by Joe Biden!

There's only so much that the woman can take.
There will be fireworks at the convention...for sure!

Upstaged by the man who only got 2% of the vote in Iowa no less.

178 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:45:55pm

Has B.O. ever thrown himself under the bus?

179 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:46:00pm

It just doesn't make any sense.

Even Bayh would have made sense. But Joe Biden?

180 elrushbuni  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:46:17pm

That quote from Aristotle is SO appropriate

181 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:46:45pm
182 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:47:10pm

re: #174 Bosch Fawstin

Let me try again:

B.O. knew he was going to lose, so he's going to throw Biden under the bus in November, blaming him for the loss.

Having the humility to admit failure is a trait Obama seems not to possess. Recall when Obama said, "It looks like I'm going to win this thing ..." Other, better quotes exist.

My hunch is that Obama is listening to his advisors who, like him, lack that instinctual understanding of the American psyche (whatever that is.)

183 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:47:22pm

B.O. picking Biden's not the B.O. I know, this man wants to lose and lose big.

184 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:47:43pm

re: #165 Pawn of the Oppressor

So I hit up YouTube and did a straight search for "Joe Biden".

The guy apparently has a habit of dropping vehement criticism and then wandering off on tangents, spewing off-target slogans disguised as policy, in a manner that makes you want to punch his lights out.

The similarity of attitude and delivery between Biden and Reverend Wright is interesting.

/and he's not only fully Bonkey vetted, but irrevocably picked, kind of like Obama himself!

185 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:48:05pm

re: #167 TheMatrix31

You guys are saying Palin would mop up with Biden, so is she considered an awesome speaker/debater or what? I've read about her stances and who she is, which has made me fall in love with the potential of her being picked, but to be honest I've never seen her in a debate or anything.

Palin on Kudlow
Palin on Baarns
Palin thanks the troops

186 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:48:16pm

re: #182 hermeneutics

Having the humility to admit failure is a trait Obama seems not to possess. Recall when Obama said, "It looks like I'm going to win this thing ..." Other, better quotes exist.

My hunch is that Obama is listening to his advisors who, like him, lack that instinctual understanding of the American psyche (whatever that is.)

The word is that even his handlers are sick of his narcissism and call him "ObaME" behind his back.

187 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:48:17pm

re: #108 Killian Bundy

Luddite? The cat's been out of the back for about two hours.

I don't understand how a "wait and see" expression makes me a Luddite in your eyes, but whatever. I think you just like calling me names without actually knowing what they really mean.

I know that Fox/CNN/AP/Yahoo/et al are reporting this tonight, but until I hear a confirmation from the Obama campaign, I will still wait to see...

188 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:48:40pm

re: #186 carbon footprint

The word is that even his handlers are sick of his narcissism and call him "ObaME" behind his back.

Really! That's classic.

189 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:48:56pm

re: #169 Edouard

My main hope now is that McCain picks a governor and not another senator.

Here's hopin'.

190 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:49:16pm

Biden's quite possibly the biggest blowhard in Washinton, this is a gift for McCain, now he better seriously pick a running that truly clinches it. But being McCain......

191 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:49:24pm

re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth

Agreed. I'll wait before I get too happy.

192 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:49:53pm

In case anyone cares, olympic cycling is tomorrow!

193 saltmarsh  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:50:16pm

So obama picks the typical white guy.
Personally I think he just wanted someone to play Robin to his Batman.

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

duntta duntta
duntta duntta

duntta duntta

dunttaaaa

194 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:50:27pm

re: #188 hermeneutics

Yes, I just read that tonight. I am not sure about it's authenticity, but it is fun to think it is true!

195 Killer Tomato  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:50:38pm

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if this isn’t actually some brilliantly crafted strategy. As long as the Democrats keep losing in close elections, they keep their base energized and in an uproar. They keep the campaign contributions coming in. If they take the House, Senate and White House, they have to start delivering on all the ‘stuff’ they promised. They can’t possibly be so stupid as not to realize the disastrous ramifications their policies would have on the economy, society, the entire freakin planet… So they run the vapid rock star, tick off the Hillary supporters and name Biden to VP, lose the election, rake in the bucks, and still maintain enough power to continue the slow slide towards socialism.
OK, that’s too diabolical even for them. I must need sleep.

196 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:50:38pm

re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth

I agree in many ways. The immediate question that comes to most of our minds is 'how can he be so stupid?'. But, as long as this is the word on the street, I am gonna dive into the deepend of this pool and have fun with it!

197 pat  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:51:15pm

How interesting to learn that Biden hates McCain. Bob "Michelle Said 'Whitey' " Beckel. I am sure McCain finds it interesting also.

198 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:51:16pm

re: #178 Bosch Fawstin

Has B.O. ever thrown himself under the bus?

He's run over his tongue a few times.

199 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:51:59pm

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

This thread on Kos is from a few hours ago:

Tomorrow morning
by kos
Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 08:57:49 PM PDT

This has been the best veep rollout EVER. But alas, all good things must come to an end.

According to a campaign official, the plan is to send out the text message a few hours before Obama's 12pm CT event in Springfield.

Most everyone in the national press corps think that it's Joe Biden. But no one knows, and no one is willing to pull the trigger.

I can confirm reporting by NBC News that Gov. Tim Kaine's associates are saying that Obama did not choose him, although I don't have any first hand accounts.

Sources close to Biden and Bayh have been in lockdown mode.

And is there a better example than this that old media is getting left out in the cold?

Wolf Blitzer on the Situation Room begging viewers to stay tuned so CNN can bring them coverage of a text message.


Brilliant! We've got a lot of campaign a head of us, but this has been the Obama campaign's finest operation thus far.

Kos will be on a rampage tomorrow! Heads will roll!

200 Edouard  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:51:59pm

Biden has wanted to become president and failed to gain any traction in that direction for as long as I can remember. In that regard, as a perennial presidential hopeful loser, he's not too far from Pat Paulsen territory, as far as I'm concerned.

201 Abu Al-Poopypants  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:52:07pm

re: #133 arizona9

. Maybe they can be called 'Ears and Plugs'? Obama/Biden

Lol. Or Jugs and Plugs?

I was going to say Jughead and Plughead, but you beat me.

202 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:52:43pm

re: #191 hermeneutics

Agreed. I'll wait before I get too happy.

It's on every news outlet in the world right now. If it's not true, the Obama camp would have said something by now.
If they wait until tomorrow to deny that it's Biden, they will look even more incompetent then they already are. I tend to believe it's true.

203 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:52:47pm

re: #178 Bosch Fawstin

Has B.O. ever thrown himself under the bus?

He'd better start practicing.

"I am not the Obama that I remember."

204 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:53:37pm

re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth

I know that Fox/CNN/AP/Yahoo/et al are reporting this tonight, but until I hear a confirmation from the Obama campaign, I will still wait to see...

And that make you a Luddite.

/it's been confirmed by a myriad of major sources for at least three hours now, hopefully you're not in charge of anything that operates in real time

205 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:54:02pm

re: #202 DesertSage

It's on every news outlet in the world right now. If it's not true, the Obama camp would have said something by now.
If they wait until tomorrow to deny that it's Biden, they will look even more incompetent then they already are. I tend to believe it's true.

Again, Obama can play this to his advantage if he appears to have fooled the MSM. So I'll wait 'til the mornin'. Not too long.

206 dhimmishelter  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:54:02pm

The word is that even his handlers are sick of his narcissism and call him "ObaME" behind his back.

Are you sure this is done behind his back? I believe this is mandatory behavior and speech for the followers of the chosen One, he who was sent by Providence to redeem us. If you did not emphasize the Oba"me" as part of his manifest destiny, then you would be sent to a re-education camp.

Or to his magical 0-5 mandatory pre-school program for re-education.

207 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:54:12pm

Since Biden voted FOR the Iraq war, we can expect The One to start saying something like "I have consistently said that, had I been in the Senate at the time, I'm sure I would have voted alongside my good friend, Plugs Biden."

208 Moe Katz  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:54:43pm

"Under the bus": official cliche of the 2008 campaign.

209 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:55:04pm

re: #145 swamprat

re: #191 hermeneutics

re: #196 coquimbojoe

Hmmm.... I guess that makes us all Luddites.
/Killian's Theme

210 Boxy_brown  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:55:32pm

re: #161 Westward Ho

Who is Stinky Beaumont?

The fellow who feeds the server squirrels.

211 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:55:46pm

re: #178 Bosch Fawstin

Has B.O. ever thrown himself under the bus?

Would that make him a suicide 'Bamar?

212 SummerSong  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:55:46pm

I hadn't realized, until just now, how much I resent the Dems attempt to brand the word, "hope".

They cannot have it. Hope must always survive.

213 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:56:02pm

re: #200 Edouard

Biden has wanted to become president and failed to gain any traction in that direction for as long as I can remember. In that regard, as a perennial presidential hopeful loser, he's not too far from Pat Paulsen territory, as far as I'm concerned.

Excellent comparison!

214 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:56:09pm

re: #206 dhimmishelter

I wonder - does one kneel or bow in the presence of The One? Will there be an altar call at Invesco Field?

215 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:56:33pm

If it is Biden, I can't imagine how Hillary supporters will react. Next week should be fun to watch.

216 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:57:35pm

re: #204 Killian Bundy

And that make you a Luddite.

You keep using that word...

217 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:58:22pm

re: #215 hermeneutics

If it is Biden, I can't imagine how Hillary supporters will react. Next week should be fun to watch.

The pro-Hillary protest march outside the convention suddenly takes on more significance.

218 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:58:47pm

The MSM seems to be sourcing AP and CNN and not getting independent confirmation.

219 Boxy_brown  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:59:13pm

The fellow who feeds the server squirrels hamsters... (Same rat different tail.)

220 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:59:14pm

re: #115 zombie

Like I said, he brings nothing to the ticket. This is a big middle finger to the south. They have reverted to Kerry's strategy of writing off the south.

221 tokyobk  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:59:40pm

These things are so easy to spin, however.

We all fought a good campaign and said hard things about each other. Now its time to come together... Biden brings experience so we will know how to implement change...blah...yadda

Even Bush I made up the term "Voodoo Economics" to describe Reagan's economics.

222 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:00:05am

re: #205 hermeneutics

IF this isn't true,just think how p!$$*d the MSM is going to be at Obama for pulling a Bigfoot on them and not telling them it's a fake! Nope,I'd say it's a keeper.

By the way,stupid Biden stuff is a dime a dozen. I 'm outta here with this one.:

"John doesn't have a record in the Senate. John's only passed four bills. They're all about post offices. I mean, literally," Biden said. He added, "most freshman senators don't get much done. Don't get much passed. Barack Obama hasn't passed any. There's not a major bill I know with Hillary's name on it."

223 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:00:27am

re: #205 hermeneutics

Again, Obama can play this to his advantage if he appears to have fooled the MSM. So I'll wait 'til the mornin'. Not too long.

Obama wants to fool the MSM, think about what your saying?

CNN, NBC and the New York Times are all reporting that they have confirmed Biden's selection. ABC News has reported Secret Service agents have been dispatched to Biden's home. And the New York Times is reporting "a consensus within the party" that Biden has been selected.

/jump on board for the big Biden trashing or look foolish for waiting

224 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:02:06am

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

225 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:02:34am

re: #224 zombie

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

Wonderful!

Now, didn't Biden say some racially nasty stuff in the past?

226 swamprat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:02:36am

re: #213 zombie

Excellent comparison!


To me, Lieberman had the franchise on that one.

227 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:02:55am

re: #216 Slumbering Behemoth

You keep using that word...

And?

/you use the word Creationist, right?

228 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:02:58am

re: #220 MrPaulRevere

Like I said, he brings nothing to the ticket. This is a big middle finger to the south. They have reverted to Kerry's strategy of writing off the south.

I suspect they really believe the "youth" vote will overtake everyone else and they can afford to piss off the South and the 2nd amendment crowd.

229 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:01am

An unbelievably beautiful night here in Minneapolis; cool air drifting through the porch windows, bringing with it the aroma of a neighbor's dying firepit. Traffic on the nearby highways dwindles as the occasional jake-braking semi accepts the calmer pace, Harleys making their homeward-bound presence known. Crickets chime in for last call on their nighly gang-bang in the cracks of the unwatered lawns. It's 2:00 am. A tired man casts a shadow slightly larger than his dog; sniffing for the latest news on the block. Prostitutes, hearing an imaginary whistle blow, talk of breakfast, drain plastic bottles of cheap rum, and wait for a taxi. Business winds up early tonight, signaling an early winter.

G'night, folks

230 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:05am

re: #150 planetbrian

Pallin is an acceptable, albeit mediocre choice. I'm a big Mitt fan myself.

231 methuseleh  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:17am

Oh, man, this is gonna be rich.

Gaffetastic... Gaffe-out-loud funny... A gaffe a minute... A real gaffe riot... I mean, they've both got the gift of gaffe... They can get together and have a real gaffe-fest... They'll gaffe their asses off... They'll have the first, and last, gaffes (and all the ones in between)...

232 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:24am

re: #224 zombie

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

Well, that takes ALL the tingle out of the morning text messages - the KosKids must be having heart attacks about now.

233 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:31am

re: #222 WayDownSouthInBama

pulling a Bigfoot on them

Haha

Obama/Frozen Gorilla Costume

234 lifeofthemind  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:51am

re: #213 zombie

Excellent comparison!

He really does resemble William Jennings Bryan. Lieberman, Romney and Jindal can tag team this vacuous bigoted gas bag.

Be careful going into Kos, you may not be used to seeing that kind of depravity.

235 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:04:04am

For those of you who are doubting that it is Biden, THIS should convince you otherwise.

236 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:04:35am

re: #185 Neo Con since 9-11

Palin on Kudlow
Palin on Baarns
Palin thanks the troops

Thanks! I'll check these out in a bit.

237 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:04:40am

re: #224 zombie

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

GMTA

238 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:04:52am

re: #206 dhimmishelter

I wonder - does one kneel or bow in the presence of The One? Will there be an altar call at Invesco Field?

There a few protocols to remember. (hat tip to Gladiator starring
Russel Crow)
1. Face the emperor with eyes downcast.
2. With rousing cheer, proclaim his divine holiness and rule over the unwashed
3. And...Do not turn your back on him!

Far from an altar call. I suspect that that those not following these divine directives will be the participants in the next battle with the Siberian Tigers and the warrior from Gaul.

I appreciate your sentiment and insight. You are on target. Just think of the divine "O" as Commodus and all will fall into place. "they will love me...", I will love them as my children..." etc.

Works well. Thanks for the thoughts. Dhimmi

239 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:05:26am

The lefties on 5-38 believe that Biden appeals to oldsters and will put Florida in play.

Ridiculous. Florida is quite red.

240 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:05:32am

re: #224 zombie

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

Thanks.

I was getting sick of all this doubting Thomasing going on here. Everyone -- CNN, AP, ABC, Fox and NBC -- independently confirmed this with "Democrats." CNN was the first to confirm. ABC had the original break in the story reporting that the Secret Service had been dispatched to Biden's home -- that was enough for me. That was four hours ago. Still no text message. And the Kos folks are pissed about not getting the text message.

241 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:05:48am

I've never paid any attention to Biden. What's his stance on Israel?

242 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:06:41am

re: #231 methuseleh

Oh, man, this is gonna be rich.

Gaffetastic... Gaffe-out-loud funny... A gaffe a minute... A real gaffe riot... I mean, they've both got the gift of gaffe... They can get together and have a real gaffe-fest... They'll gaffe their asses off... They'll have the first, and last, gaffes (and all the ones in between)...

That would be the Gaffa and the Omegaffe, right?

243 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:06:56am

I distinctly remember Biden making the claim that other than him, the only other candidate in the running qualified for the position is John McCain...

244 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:06:56am

re: #241 funky chicken

I've never paid any attention to Biden. What's his stance on Israel?

I think it is wide.
Are you THE funky chicken at HA as well?

245 lifeofthemind  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:07:05am

re: #241 funky chicken

I've never paid any attention to Biden. What's his stance on Israel?


Rabidly pro arab, a Jimmy Carter wing Democrat

246 LeePro  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:07:14am

re: #167 TheMatrix31

You guys are saying Palin would mop up with Biden, so is she considered an awesome speaker/debater or what? I've read about her stances and who she is, which has made me fall in love with the potential of her being picked, but to be honest I've never seen her in a debate or anything.

Hint:
Intelligence Quotient

247 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:08:08am

re: #243 kuffar

I distinctly remember Biden making the claim that other than him, the only other candidate in the running qualified for the position is John McCain...

OH man, if the McCampaign can find that it will make a GREAT ad.

248 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:08:20am

re: #240 Canadian Guy

Thanks.

I was getting sick of all this doubting Thomasing going on here. Everyone -- CNN, AP, ABC, Fox and NBC -- independently confirmed this with "Democrats." CNN was the first to confirm. ABC had the original break in the story reporting that the Secret Service had been dispatched to Biden's home -- that was enough for me. That was four hours ago. Still no text message. And the Kos folks are pissed about not getting the text message.

Yeah, reported here in Japan about a half hour ago as official.

Its funny seeing their subtitle which should now read

"Change we can believe in, plus Joe Biden"

249 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:08:44am

re: #247 carbon footprint

I just love it when the Democrats write our campaign ads for us.

250 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:09:03am

re: #228 Wendya

I suspect they really believe the "youth" vote will overtake everyone else and they can afford to piss off the South and the 2nd amendment crowd.

It's the same old shit from 2K4 - this campaign is being run by young, stupid kids.

Trey Parker & Matt Stone, secular Prophets of Our Times, nailed it once again: "The worst kind of hippie - the college student hippie!"

I had this professor, and he really opened my mind, man, to see things the way they really are... Yeah...

251 Edouard  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:09:29am

re: #230 MrPaulRevere

Pallin is an acceptable, albeit mediocre choice. I'm a big Mitt fan myself.

She ain't mediocre -- she does have skillz & charisma -- but it might be too soon to pick her in 08. Besides, she has a great opportunity to urge America to begin ANWR drilling if she remains in her seat in Alaska's statehouse, and continues to attract publicity there. She might be derailed from that very worthy focus as McCain's VP choice when so many other tasks would suddenly fill her plate. I look forward to her prime time convention speech.

252 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:09:43am

So over on The One's web site, everyone is invited to send Joe a welcome note!

Lucky Joe! I wonder if he is thinking about backing out...

253 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:09:48am

Biden fulfills just one criteria that I can see. He doesn't outshine Barack. Hard to see how Biden gives Barack cred on foreign policy and the military since Joe criticized Obama so strongly in those areas. Doesn't make any sense to me. Neither does announcing it on the weekend. But what do I know. I never went to Harvard.

254 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:11am

re: #233 tokyobk

Someone better than me at Photoshop needs to make up a poster asking "Which one is the fake"? A (photo of Obama),B (photo of Biden), C (photo of bigfoot costume in freezer),D (ALL OF THE ABOVE.)

255 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:22am

re: #224 zombie

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

Now, that looks likes the horse's mouth.

256 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:25am

re: #228 Wendya

Good analysis....whenever someone talks of the 'youth vote', I tell them to ask former President McGovern about the youth vote.

257 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:49am

re: #230 MrPaulRevere

Pallin is an acceptable, albeit mediocre choice. I'm a big Mitt fan myself.

She's more than mediocre. She's got the highest approval rating of any governor in America at 90%, she's in favor of drilling in ANWAR, she's effectively fought corruption, she's got executive experience which no one else in the race has, and she brings in the female vote. That's not a mediocre choice that's the best choice McCain could make.

258 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:52am

re: #252 TnTx13

So over on The One's web site, everyone is invited to send Joe a welcome note!

Lucky Joe! I wonder if he is thinking about backing out...

Thinking of backing out? No way! He will eat this sh*t up. For him, this gives his mundane life relevance for a few months.

259 CapitalistTool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:54am

re: #195 Killer Tomato

They can’t possibly be so stupid as not to realize the disastrous ramifications their policies would have on the economy, society, the entire freakin planet…

You're joking, right?

260 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:11:35am

re: #244 carbon footprint

Yep, that's me.

Or, um, nope. That's gotta be somebody else, er, yeah.

I didn't do it! :-)

261 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:11:41am

re: #252 TnTx13

So over on The One's web site, everyone is invited to send Joe a welcome note!

Lucky Joe! I wonder if he is thinking about backing out...

"Joe,

Give us Socialism and free stuff or we'll rip out your heart and show it to the mob, before drinking the blood of everyone you love,

Signed,

The mob"

262 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:12:28am

re: #260 funky chicken

Lol, great! I want tell a soul.

263 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:12:36am

re: #227 Killian Bundy

Have I called you a creationist?

264 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:12:52am

Here's the directions for the welcome note:

Welcome the Next Vice President

Barack has chosen Joe Biden to be his running mate.

Take a minute to share a personal note welcoming Joe to our movement for change.

I'm thinking something like "Hi Joe, I've got a dollar left after Barack has taxed me into oblivion. Can I have four quarters for it, please?"

265 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:12:55am

re: #262 carbon footprint

Lol, great! I want tell a soul.

PIMF Won't...duh

266 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:13:12am

re: #251 Edouard

She ain't mediocre -- she does have skillz & charisma -- but it might be too soon to pick her in 08. Besides, she has a great opportunity to urge America to begin ANWR drilling if she remains in her seat in Alaska's statehouse, and continues to attract publicity there. She might be derailed from that very worthy focus as McCain's VP choice when so many other tasks would suddenly fill her plate. I look forward to her prime time convention speech.

Yeah, let her stay in AK for a while longer. She just had a baby too, and I would not have agreed to a heavy travel and work schedule, and evening debates when my kids were babies. Sleep deprivation can make you look foolish sometimes.

267 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:13:34am

re: #261 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Joe,

Give us Socialism and free stuff or we'll rip out your heart and show it to the mob, before drinking the blood of everyone you love,

Signed,

The mob"

Oooh - I like that a lot better than mine!

268 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:13:40am

So, let me get this straight:

During the primaries, Joe Biden attracted a grand total of 2% of the Democrats, and probably 0% of the Republicans;

He represents a state with the fewest possible electoral votes (3), so he adds essentially nothing to the electoral college map;

He's a boring old white guy who insults ethnic minorities;

He's a tedious, washed up party hack who's been trying to run for president since the Mesozoic era and has never gotten the slightest traction;

He's insulted Obama's experience and capabilities on national TV;

...what am I leaving out?

Could it get any better than this?

269 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:14:16am

re: #251 Edouard

I look forward to her speech as well. I confess I haven't done my homework on her, and shall to defer to you on this.

270 solomonpanting  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:14:20am

re: #241 funky chicken

I've never paid any attention to Biden. What's his stance on Israel?

Here's some quotes.

271 rightwinger3  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:14:59am

re: #268 zombie

So, let me get this straight:

During the primaries, Joe Biden attracted a grand total of 2% of the Democrats, and probably 0% of the Republicans;

He represents a state with the fewest possible electoral votes (3), so he adds essentially nothing to the electoral college map;

He's a boring old white guy who insults ethnic minorities;

He's a tedious, washed up party hack who's been trying to run for president since the Mesozoic era and has never gotten the slightest traction;

He's insulted Obama's experience and capabilities on national TV;

...what am I leaving out?

Could it get any better than this?

But...but, he's been vetted!

272 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:03am

re: #268 zombie

You are leaving out that he does not have a semblance of control over his big mouth and rattles off racial slurs?

273 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:12am

re: #268 zombie

A fair enough basis for my early skepticism, is it not?

274 nigella  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:26am

Don't forget Zombie he's only 6 years younger than that old senile guy running for the Republicans.

275 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:29am

re: #245 lifeofthemind

Rabidly pro arab, a Jimmy Carter wing Democrat

wow. Well, Barry wasn't gonna pick somebody pro-Israel, I guess.

Speaking of sleep deprivation, I'm off to bed. g'night!

276 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:44am

Interesting comment on the left blogosphere's veep preference:

KOS, himself, was pushing for Kathleen Sebelius. He deliberately left the likes of Clark, Biden and Schweitzer of the website's VP polls. The buzz (not really) around there a week was that Tom Daschle would be Obama's pick. The actual DailyKos community was for Clark, as were the majority of liberal blogs.

DailyKos - Kathleen Sebelius
Crooks and Liars - Wesley Clark
AmericaBlog - ABB
OneGoodMove - Dennis Kucinich/John Edwards
TalkLeft - Hillary Clinton
Huffington Post - ABHRC

[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]

277 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:54am

Now that the Secret Service knows

Now that CNN knows

Now that every network knows

Now that it's been put on the Website

Obama has finally texted the people who were supposed to be the first ones to know.

278 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:10am

re: #275 funky chicken

Good night Funky Chicken!

279 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:16am

re: #265 carbon footprint

:-) hey, it's blog comments, not a term paper

g'night

280 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:17am

re: #263 Slumbering Behemoth

Have I called you a creationist?

That's not what I asked.

/are you a Sharmuta sock?

281 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:18am

re: #268 zombie

The Obama campaign dicks around with its constituents by dropping Biden or saying 'We so fooled you! Biden really isn't the Veep!" They do that and they are toast. Gives Hillary ammunition (unless she is named Veep) and she has a greater chance of taking the Nomination which means a lot of anti-Clintonista Democrats stay home...

282 Price_of_Peace  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:19am

re: #28 Abu Maven

Just Chicken!

283 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:34am

Dear Joe,

I have a hardhre: #268 zombie

So, let me get this straight:

During the primaries, Joe Biden attracted a grand total of 2% of the Democrats, and probably 0% of the Republicans;

He represents a state with the fewest possible electoral votes (3), so he adds essentially nothing to the electoral college map;

He's a boring old white guy who insults ethnic minorities;

He's a tedious, washed up party hack who's been trying to run for president since the Mesozoic era and has never gotten the slightest traction;

He's insulted Obama's experience and capabilities on national TV;

...what am I leaving out?

Could it get any better than this?

He is Catholic (right?) and though also had some wealthy and connected relatives, had a solidly working class background. He is a token.

284 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:59am

(from zombie #268)
So, let me get this straight:

During the primaries, Joe Biden attracted a grand total of 2% of the Democrats, and probably 0% of the Republicans;

He represents a state with the fewest possible electoral votes (3), so he adds essentially nothing to the electoral college map;

He's a boring old white guy who insults ethnic minorities;

He's a tedious, washed up party hack who's been trying to run for president since the Mesozoic era and has never gotten the slightest traction;

He's insulted Obama's experience and capabilities on national TV;

...what am I leaving out?
From dhimmi:
Actually, nothing. You hit this out of the park.

Nothing to add. Well done. Debate points for Mitt I hope.

285 MeatPopsicle  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:17:04am

Yup... It's definitely official... Joe Biden

http://donate.barackobama.com/page/smartproxy/www. barackobama.com/images/vp/splash_slp_biden.jpg

*note i linked the picture and NOT the actual donation page... thank you very much!

286 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:17:09am

When the text message finally arrives, this is what it will say:

"Sorry! Barack has thrown the Netroots under the bus. Thank you: come again."

287 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:17:51am
Huffington Post - ABHRC


Anyone But Hillary Rodham Clinton?

288 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:17:55am

re: #277 Canadian Guy

Now that the Secret Service knows

Now that CNN knows

Now that every network knows

Now that it's been put on the Website

Now that my Mother-inLaw who speaks no English knows

Obama has finally texted the people who were supposed to be the first ones to know.

289 swamprat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:17:56am

I think Carl Rove is breaking out the good cognac.

290 pegcity  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:18:01am

the democrats are just like palis never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

I swear unless Mcain picks Satan as his running mate this seems to be a lock

291 Bosch Fawstin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:18:52am

re: #203 zombie

He'd better start practicing.

"I am not the Obama that I remember."

Hahahaha

292 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:18:59am

re: #286 zombie

Message will say "Turn your T.V. on MSNBC".

293 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:04am

re: #268 zombie

...what am I leaving out?

He's a bloviating plagiarizer?

294 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:24am

re: #268 zombie

So, let me get this straight:

During the primaries, Joe Biden attracted a grand total of 2% of the Democrats, and probably 0% of the Republicans;

He represents a state with the fewest possible electoral votes (3), so he adds essentially nothing to the electoral college map;

He's a boring old white guy who insults ethnic minorities;

He's a tedious, washed up party hack who's been trying to run for president since the Mesozoic era and has never gotten the slightest traction;

He's insulted Obama's experience and capabilities on national TV;

...what am I leaving out?

Could it get any better than this?

The only thing that makes sense to me is that the following really is true about Obama & Co.:

1. Obama's political outlook really is a blend of Jimmy Carter and The Nation of Islam.
2. They actually believe their own "McCain is Bush's third term" hype.
3. They are planning on making Iran and Republican "war-mongering" an issue in the debates, with themselves cast as money-saving, hope-bringing saviours.
4. They figure Biden's hard-hitting Bush Hate will be a sop to the Angry Left after having to move to the center for marketability.

It's a very Rolling Stone Magazine kind of choice.

295 lifeofthemind  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:25am

Goodnight ladies

296 Bosch Fawstin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:31am

re: #201 Abu Al-Poopypants


Abu Al-Pooppants, hahahaha

297 swamprat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:38am

Hillary is now getting one of those 3am calls we've been seeing in the ads.

298 MeatPopsicle  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:42am

I wonder when we'll get an EDIT button... i screwed the pooch on the picture link. Sorry!

http://donate.barackobama.com/page/smartproxy/www. barackobama.com/images/vp/splash_slp_biden.jpg


...i guess i coulda used the preview button too

0.o

299 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:59am

The Text Message says:

Dear Friend,

Please confirm the following personal information.

For an update on the VP pick, please tune in to your local station for full details.

Thank you.

300 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:20:09am

re: #270 solomonpanting

"Because of our lack of a prevention strategy, we're left with no option here, in my view, but to support Israel in what is a totally legitimate self-defense effort." (Washington, July 16, 2006)

"The outcome [of the Palestinian elections] reflects Palestinian anger and frustration at the Palestinian Authority and Fatah for their corruption, mismanagement, and failure to provide law and order." (January 2006)

"Israel cannot be expected to negotiate with a party that calls for its destruction, engages in terrorism and maintains an armed militia. Hamas must choose: bullets or ballots." (January 2006)

Hmmmm. Joe sounds better than Condi? sad

OK, good night for real.

301 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:20:59am

re: #292 WayDownSouthInBama

Message:

O Hai LOL
Still your BBF?
Srsly, I

302 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:21:42am

re: #268 zombie

Yeah.

/wait for the millions of LLLs who gave up their contact information and credit card number for the promise of getting the first notification by text and will wke up feeling literally raped

303 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:22:32am

Obama, putting the 'O' in overpromise.

304 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:22:54am

This really happened, right. I'm not dreaming. I didn't fall asleep at the keyboard. Obama picked Joe Biden.

305 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:23:20am

re: #88 Noam Sayin'

Dammit, dude. You know I dislilke you, but I had to ding you up for that one.

makes you think he's the VP choice..... (dinged him too. %-)

/white smoke

306 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:23:38am

re: #255 Slumbering Behemoth

Now, that looks likes the horse's mouth.

Yea, but you had to lift up the tail to see it.

307 Bosch Fawstin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:23:59am

re: #296 Bosch Fawstin

Abu Al-Pooppants, hahahaha

[p]oops, Abu Al-PoopYpants, that is.

308 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:24:04am

Damn, what happened?

Should have been:

Message:

O Hai LOL
Still your BBF?
Srsly, I heart Joe Biden n
u will 2!
LULZ
Don't 4get 2 donate
LOL!

309 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:24:28am

re: #304 HelloDare

This really happened, right. I'm not dreaming. I didn't fall asleep at the keyboard. Obama picked Joe Biden.

Either that or Barry's teleprompter screwed up again and he started winging it.

310 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:24:35am

Obama/Biden '08: The Democratic "dream team" that couldn't pour piss out of a boot if it had instructions printed on the heel...

;-P

311 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:24:44am

re: #304 HelloDare

This really happened, right. I'm not dreaming. I didn't fall asleep at the keyboard. Obama picked Joe Biden.

It did.

312 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:25:47am

Here's the text message

B.O. HERE. FORGOT 2 TELL U I PICKED BIDEN. LOL. PUT ON UR TV.

313 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:26:08am

McCain wakes up in the morning. His aide rushes in and says "Sir, Obama just tapped Biden."

McCain: "Are they that stupid."

And Dick Morris on Fox, direct from the Golden Horse's mouth, Obama screwed the pooch.

314 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:26:25am

re: #309 WayDownSouthInBama

I almost believe it.

315 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:02am

In case there was any doubt...

It's really, really, really, really, really official now.

316 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:21am

And people laughed when I said he would pick the Archbishop of Canterbury.
This is even dumber.

317 pegcity  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:25am

So um is Hilary gonna pull a coup.

I mean who the hell is Biden?

Im sorry im Canadian so i have no idea who this guy is.

318 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:25am

re: #289 swamprat

I think Carl Rove is breaking out the good cognac.

Can't wait to see ol' Karl's take on this one!

319 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:45am

re: #310 talon_262

Obama/Biden '08: The Democratic "dream team" that couldn't pour piss out of a boot if it had instructions printed on the heel...

;-P

I thought he was not going to announce until 10 this morning? What happened?

320 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:51am

re: #302 Killian Bundy

Yeah.

/wait for the millions of LLLs who gave up their contact information and credit card number for the promise of getting the first notification by text and will wke up feeling literally raped

Someone needs to float a rumor that a laptop containing all those credit card numbers was lost in an airport by an Obama staffer. And that is has fallen into the hands of either Russian hacker identity fraudsters, or, even better, Republican dirty tricksters.

"Paranoid runs deep...into your life it will creep..."

321 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:28:30am

re: #320 zombie

Evil...

322 Intrepid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:28:31am

Kerri Walsh and Misty May-Treanor could beat Obama/Biden. At least the gals have great abs and can spike the ball like there is no tomorrow!

323 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:28:34am

I'm looking for everything I can find on Biden's policies and I can't make any sense of him at all. He reads like a schizophrenic. Hardass warhawk one minute, touch-feely "feel the Arab's pain" the next... Voted for Iraq but doesn't like the surge... Screw the corporations on one hand, give them a break on the other... What the hell?

At least you could pin down Edwards as a sleazeball ambulance-chaser. I think Biden may just be insane.

324 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:28:48am

I know it's Wiki, but .... even they got it now

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

325 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:29:05am

re: #283 tokyobk

Dear Joe,

I have a hardh

He is Catholic (right?) and though also had some wealthy and connected relatives, had a solidly working class background. He is a token.

And, he's not a threat to Obama in 2012 should he actually win this year. Biden is the old white guy who will shut up and do as he's told.

326 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:29:19am

re: #322 Intrepid

Kerri Walsh and Misty May-Treanor could beat Obama/Biden. At least the gals have great abs and can spike the ball like there is no tomorrow!

AND they love President Bush!

327 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:29:48am

To think, McCain was actually going to start campaigning on weekends.

328 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:29:50am

re: #320 zombie

Fallen into the hands of Karl Rove. Their lives will be monitored.

329 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:30:00am

Within 24 hours, a fund raising appeal will go out to all those disingenuously harvested e-mail addresses.

/anyone want to take the bet?

330 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:04am

These idiots really do believe that they are smarter than us mere mortals.

There's no other possible explanation for their utter foolishness.

331 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:05am

re: #329 Killian Bundy

Within 24 hours, a fund raising appeal will go out to all those disingenuously harvested e-mail addresses.

/anyone want to take the bet?

It now looks like a scam to build a database for other reasons like $$$ and getting out the vote on election day.

332 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:13am

re: #319 galloping granny

I thought he was not going to announce until 10 this morning? What happened?

The final decision leaked to the press about an hour or two ago and has recently been confirmed by the campaign itself on BarackObama.com a little bit ago.

333 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:28am

re: #317 pegcity

So um is Hilary gonna pull a coup.

I mean who the hell is Biden?

Im sorry im Canadian so i have no idea who this guy is.

Hell, I'm an American and I can't really tell him apart from that buffoonish newscaster on the Mary Tyler Moore Show.

334 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:28am

re: #317 pegcity

Im sorry im Canadian so i have no idea who this guy is.

Biden is the single greatest source of global warming in the United States. Grab a dictionary and look under "Socialist Blowhard". His picture should be there providing the flashpan went off.

335 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:33am

re: #323 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm looking for everything I can find on Biden's policies and I can't make any sense of him at all. He reads like a schizophrenic. Hardass warhawk one minute, touch-feely "feel the Arab's pain" the next... Voted for Iraq but doesn't like the surge... Screw the corporations on one hand, give them a break on the other... What the hell?

At least you could pin down Edwards as a sleazeball ambulance-chaser. I think Biden may just be insane.

I think you might call Joe Biden a "company man." One of those career types who parrots whatever the boss' position is at the minute.

336 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:38am

Lurking at Kos (carefully) - they are starting to receive their text messages ...

337 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:32:17am

re: #331 Canadian Guy

It now looks like a scam to build a database for other reasons like $$$ and getting out the vote on election day.

DING DING DING...We have a winnah!

338 Intrepid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:32:19am

re: #326 TnTx13

AND they love President Bush!

And they unabashedly showed their love for their country while overseas! And they put their hands over their hearts and even sang the national anthem when it was played after they received their medals!

May-Treanor/Walsh '08!

339 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:32:41am

re: #336 TnTx13

Lurking at Kos (carefully) - they are starting to receive their text messages ...

CNN reported the text messages were sent out about 15 mins ago after Zombie posted the link to B.O.'s site that had the announcement.

340 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:33:01am

re: #337 talon_262

DING DING DING...We have a winnah!

If it worked it would have been historic.

341 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:33:26am

re: #332 talon_262

The final decision leaked to the press about an hour or two ago and has recently been confirmed by the campaign itself on BarackObama.com a little bit ago.

That is really cheesy -

342 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:33:36am

re: #329 Killian Bundy

Within 24 hours, a fund raising appeal will go out to all those disingenuously harvested e-mail addresses.

/anyone want to take the bet?

I'm sure the Obama system administer already has his finger hovering over the "send" button.

343 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:33:46am

re: #339 Canadian Guy

CNN reported the text messages were sent out about 15 mins ago after Zombie posted the link to B.O.'s site that had the announcement.

Don't have the intestinal fortitude to turn to CNN :)

344 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:34:12am

re: #339 Canadian Guy

CNN reported the text messages were sent out about 15 mins ago after Zombie posted the link to B.O.'s site that had the announcement.

Way to go Zombie, mentioned on CNN!

;*)

345 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:34:19am

re: #333 zombie

Hell, I'm an American and I can't really tell him apart from that buffoonish newscaster on the Mary Tyler Moore Show.

Joe Biden, on his best day, could never hold a candle to Ted Baxter...

346 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:34:42am

re: #329 Killian Bundy

Within 24 hours, a fund raising appeal will go out to all those disingenuously harvested e-mail addresses.

/anyone want to take the bet?

re: #331 Canadian Guy

It now looks like a scam to build a database for other reasons like $$$ and getting out the vote on election day.

I think you both are 100% accurate.

347 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:34:59am

re: #339 Canadian Guy

CNN reported the text messages were sent out about 15 mins ago after Zombie posted the link to B.O.'s site that had the announcement.

It is kind of funny that those of us that kept our phone numbers to ourselves knew before the text message went out. LOL.

348 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:35:20am

re: #331 Canadian Guy

It now looks like a scam to build a database for other reasons like $$$ and getting out the vote on election day.

You're a little slow.

/must be from Canada

349 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:35:48am

from Pawn of the oppressor: #268

The only thing that makes sense to me is that the following really is true about Obama & Co.:

1. Obama's political outlook really is a blend of Jimmy Carter and The Nation of Islam.
2. They actually believe their own "McCain is Bush's third term" hype.
3. They are planning on making Iran and Republican "war-mongering" an issue in the debates, with themselves cast as money-saving, hope-bringing saviours.
4. They figure Biden's hard-hitting Bush Hate will be a sop to the Angry Left after having to move to the center for marketability.

It's a very Rolling Stone Magazine kind of choice.
From dhimmi:
Makes very good sense. Good insight and trenchant analysis. Much better than Jann Wenner and his fellow no-nothings from Rolling STONED.
Be careful though, you may be consumed by the Red Sea if you dare cross without the inexorable power of his mighty hand!
Of course, you could always acknowledge how you have always been wrong. Mary Katherine tells us all what to do ( please excuse the advert at the start)
[Link: townhall.com...]

350 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:36:11am

re: #331 Canadian Guy

Are they strapped for cash. I think the McCain camp might regret running on public funds. But Principle counts.

351 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:36:18am

re: #347 galloping granny

It is kind of funny that those of us that kept our phone numbers to ourselves knew before the text message went out. LOL.

I thought accroding to the libs, we're supposed to be Luddites?

/guess who knew you better that you knew yourselves, lefties?

352 LeePro  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:37:00am

re: #306 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Yea, but you had to lift up the tail to see it.

ROTFLMAO!

Good to see you, aboo! Been a while.

353 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:37:20am

So much for that Kansas City Action News station with their Evan Bayh bumper sticker scoop.

354 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:37:23am

re: #351 talon_262

PIMF...I meant, "according".

;-)

355 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:37:37am

Hannity just quoted Biden - "The presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." From several months back, Biden was referring to Obama.

356 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:38:04am

re: #280 Killian Bundy

No, that's not what you asked. So far tonight you have called me an atheist and a Luddite, despite my never having expressed such ideologies. I think you just like picking certain buzz-words out of the ether and applying them to me for no discernible reason.

My response to both of your posts in that regard was "You keep using that word...", as I do not think those words mean what you think they mean when you are applying them to me.

Your response to that:

And?

/you use the word Creationist, right?

Which, in light of you calling me an atheist and a Luddite, I asked if I've ever called you a creationist. Not hard to follow.

/are you a Sharmuta sock?

You are certainly off your nut. I am no sockpuppet, and I don't do sockpuppets. I am The Behemoth, I have always been The Behemoth, I will always be The Behemoth. If you think I am lying, email Charles and ask him.

But please, by all means, don't let that stop you from calling me names and making an ass of yourself. You are, at the very least, amusing in that regard.

/look in the mirror

357 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:39:02am
"I am not running for vice president," [Biden] said in a Fox interview. "I would not accept it if anyone offered it to me. The fact of the matter is I'd rather stay as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee than be vice president."

We live in a time where words do not matter.

A politician can say anything he wants and the opposite later.

And get away with it.

358 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:39:06am

re: #355 galloping granny

Hannity just quoted Biden - "The presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." From several months back, Biden was referring to Obama.

You just know that Rush, Hannity, Beck, and company are gonna have a field day with this come Monday.

359 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:39:08am

OK, the only thing I can figure so far is that Biden's Main Idea is that the United States should never spend money on anything that offends anybody, ever. He seems to be in love with passive, committee-driven measures to deal with any kind of problem.

In short, he's a big fan of Cowardice as national strategy. Now I agree with him on principle that flag-waving war-mongering is deeply repulsive to the human spirit, but at the same time, we have this natural obligation to try and stop good people being killed by bad people. The only time he seems to advocate force for that, is when there apparently won't be any direct consequences for U.S. citizens (read: registered voters).

He voted for blowing up Iraq, until we started taking casualties. He wants to go into Sudan, because we care so much. We stand with Israel, et cetera, but being mean to Iran is bad, BAD, unless we do it through the U.N. with methods proven to have failed elsewhere... And so on...

How I hate these people... Fucking polticians. What if they had an election and nobody came?

360 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:40:09am

We should start a Draft Hillary Independent campaign...

Maybe a bit to underhanded.

361 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:40:15am

re: #349 dhimmishelter

If you want to quote someone's comment, simply click the "quote" link above it, and the computer does all the work for you!

362 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:04am

re: #359 Pawn of the Oppressor

OK, the only thing I can figure so far is that Biden's Main Idea is that the United States should never spend money on anything that offends anybody, ever. He seems to be in love with passive, committee-driven measures to deal with any kind of problem.

In short, he's a big fan of Cowardice as national strategy. Now I agree with him on principle that flag-waving war-mongering is deeply repulsive to the human spirit, but at the same time, we have this natural obligation to try and stop good people being killed by bad people. The only time he seems to advocate force for that, is when there apparently won't be any direct consequences for U.S. citizens (read: registered voters).

He voted for blowing up Iraq, until we started taking casualties. He wants to go into Sudan, because we care so much. We stand with Israel, et cetera, but being mean to Iran is bad, BAD, unless we do it through the U.N. with methods proven to have failed elsewhere... And so on...

How I hate these people... Fucking polticians. What if they had an election and nobody came?

Solid and right on...

363 Bat Boy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:12am

re: #356 Slumbering Behemoth

Sock puppet? Did anyone say 'sock puppet'?

364 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:19am

re: #350 kuffar

Are they strapped for cash. I think the McCain camp might regret running on public funds. But Principle counts.

One really striking thing about the polls is that Obama outspent Hillary 10:1 and still lost the last 6 or 8 states. Last month, Obama spent more on just one ad than McCain spent on his entire campaign - and despite the huge financial disparity his numbers are still sinking and he can't seem to break out of the statistical tie. He just can't bring it - money or no.

365 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:23am

It's going to be a tag team gaffe machine.

366 swamprat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:30am

Rinnngggg!
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367 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:30am

age & treachery will beat youth and skill every time.

/history

368 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:43:04am

re: #308 carbon footprint

Damn, what happened?

Should have been:

Message:

O Hai LOL
Still your BBF?
Srsly, I heart Joe Biden n
u will 2!
LULZ
Don't 4get 2 donate
LOL!

maybe BFF?

/i don't txt.... so OMGWTFBBQ! %-)

369 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:43:50am

re: #336 TnTx13

Lurking at Kos (carefully) - they are starting to receive their text messages ...

I've been lurking at the DUmp. People are all excited because they're getting their text messages....even though they know Biden is the VP pick.

You couldn't invent that kind of stupid even if you tried.

370 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:44:06am

re: #364 galloping granny

And just wait till the Debates.

371 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:44:08am

re: #358 talon_262

You just know that Rush, Hannity, Beck, and company are gonna have a field day with this come Monday.

I would hope that somebody would already have an ad with this quote going up on youtube.

372 LeePro  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:45:54am

re: #364 galloping granny

One really striking thing about the polls is that Obama outspent Hillary 10:1 and still lost the last 6 or 8 states. Last month, Obama spent more on just one ad than McCain spent on his entire campaign - and despite the huge financial disparity his numbers are still sinking and he can't seem to break out of the statistical tie. He just can't bring it - money or no.

Now that's HOPE!

373 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:45:56am
Youth is easily deceived because it is quick to hope.

Aristotle

Its contrapositive is true as well:

Age is easily deceived because it is quick to condemn.

me

374 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:46:03am

re: #369 Wendya

I've been lurking at the DUmp. People are all excited because they're getting their text messages....even though they know Biden is the VP pick.

You couldn't invent that kind of stupid even if you tried.

Boy, ain't that the truth! And lurking at those sites is sort of like visiting a very strange zoo ;)

375 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:46:16am

They should let Obama pick two VP's. Go ahead Barack, pick another one.

376 So?  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:46:22am

Hey eh Joe
Where you goin' with that Barack in your hand....

377 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:46:52am

re: #356 Slumbering Behemoth

Are you not an atheist? I'm a Christian who believes in evolution.

/just trying to keep score

378 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:46:58am

Obama/Biden '08: Democrats, if you donated to our campaign, there could have been better things you could have done with your money (like use it for toilet paper)...

379 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:47:00am

re: #357 tokyobk

Biden has also said this:

"I'd make a great president. I 'd make a great Secretary of State. I'd make a great vice president."


I see a battle of the ego's brewing....

380 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:47:01am

re: #364 galloping granny

One really striking thing about the polls is that Obama outspent Hillary 10:1 and still lost the last 6 or 8 states. Last month, Obama spent more on just one ad than McCain spent on his entire campaign - and despite the huge financial disparity his numbers are still sinking and he can't seem to break out of the statistical tie. He just can't bring it - money or no.

can't bring what you ain't got....... that's Obanal's problem:
ya gotta run what ya brung, and he ain't brought shit.

he's a lead sled.

/drive the highways, race at Lions!

381 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:48:03am

re: #369 Wendya

I've been lurking at the DUmp. People are all excited because they're getting their text messages....even though they know Biden is the VP pick.

You couldn't invent that kind of stupid even if you tried.

you've never had a brand new 2LT.....

(yes, they can. %-)

382 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:48:33am

re: #379 WayDownSouthInBama

Biden would make a good *all-of-those*.

Of Outer Slobovia.

383 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:49:49am

McPain better flesh out and polish up his Iran policy right now because that's where they're going to try to hit him. He absolutely needs to formulate a big-picture strategy, one that doesn't stink of Bush or Condi. Biden's only consistency has been to howl about Bush, Iraq, and Iran.

384 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:51:43am

re: #383 Pawn of the Oppressor

McPain better flesh out and polish up his Iran policy right now because that's where they're going to try to hit him. He absolutely needs to formulate a big-picture strategy, one that doesn't stink of Bush or Condi. Biden's only consistency has been to howl about Bush, Iraq, and Iran.

All hands on deck.

/you're going to vote for McPain, right?

385 rightwinger3  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:52:01am

re: #381 redc1c4

you've never had a brand new 2LT.....

(yes, they can. %-)

To be fair, I can see Pvt's in their too...(at least right up to the point where Gunny whacks 'em)

386 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:52:23am

Damn, I just read a Kos thread for the first time in over a year.

Sad. Very, very sad. Uninsightful, wish-facts trump reality, goody-two-shoes cheerleaders, complete absence of any sense of humor -- and what they imagine is humor only causes wincing to everyone else, etc. They're like a gaggle of 13-year-old girls, except socialist.

387 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:53:06am

re: #372 LeePro

Now that's HOPE!

That is exactly what I wrote to a friend earlier. And I do not think Joe Biden is going to help matters at all.

388 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:53:18am

re: #376 So?

Hey eh Joe
Where you goin' with that Barack in your hand....

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

389 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:53:37am

Because of the trenchant and succinct analyses and comments by zombie and pawn of the oppressor I feel like I am in a mind-meld.

I have nothing to add that would elucidate or illuminate their comments

For once, I am speechless. Thank you Zombie and Pawn.

And thank you, to the Chosen One for selecting Slow Joe. Be sure to listen to Hugh Hewitt on Monday. Lots of good audio from his couch potato years (redundant) in the Senate
It will be great fun.

dhimmi

390 rightwinger3  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:53:43am

re: #386 zombie

Damn, I just read a Kos thread for the first time in over a year.

Sad. Very, very sad. Uninsightful, wish-facts trump reality, goody-two-shoes cheerleaders, complete absence of any sense of humor -- and what they imagine is humor only causes wincing to everyone else, etc. They're like a gaggle of 13-year-old girls, except socialist.

Zombie, don't forget that they will play a very important role in getting McCain elected this year.

391 shiplord kirel  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:53:48am

A question for GOP insiders:

How did Karl Rove persuade Obama to pick Biden?

The beady-eyed poltroon is heaven's gift to the GOP.

From praising Obama as "clean," to trying to establish regular guy credentials by boasting that he represents a former slave state, Biden has a long history of putting his foot in his mouth in a big way.

392 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:54:07am

Joe not only hurts because he is Biden, but because he isn't Hillary.

393 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:54:09am

Oh, and the format is borderline unreadable.

Actually, you can drop the "borderline."

394 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:54:23am

re: #384 Killian Bundy

All hands on deck.

/you're going to vote for McPain, right?

He's the first Republican I've ever really loathed, but my father did not spend most of his life on the front lines of the Cold War to see a fucking Marxist elected President.

395 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:54:53am

re: #383 Pawn of the Oppressor

McCain can always come back with the fact that Obama sponsored a bill in '07 that if passed would have mandated that all troops would be out of Iraq by March 31st '08. With the way the war is going now, it's hard to defend that position.

396 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:55:10am

re: #381 redc1c4

you've never had a brand new 2LT.....

(yes, they can. %-)

ROFLMAO.

397 Intrepid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:55:25am

What I don't understand is this - if Barack Obama's camp is excited about his VP pick, why did they wait until late Friday night announce it? It's as if they want it to be a non-issue!

Great endorsement for your VP pick there, Barack!

398 American Soldier  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:55:56am

re: #386 zombie

Damn, I just read a Kos thread for the first time in over a year.

Sad. Very, very sad. Uninsightful, wish-facts trump reality, goody-two-shoes cheerleaders, complete absence of any sense of humor -- and what they imagine is humor only causes wincing to everyone else, etc. They're like a gaggle of 13-year-old girls, except socialist.

That's as concise a summation of Dummocrats as I've ever seen. Good phrase, z.
I'm getting to the point where I can't stand the company of Dummocrats. It makes campaigning difficult.

399 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:55:57am

re: #389 dhimmishelter

Little-known fact: zombies have mind-reading capabilities. I hear your thoughts before you even think them.

400 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:56:01am
401 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:56:02am

re: #381 redc1c4

you've never had a brand new 2LT.....

(yes, they can. %-)


Well, I did smack down an Ensign once.

402 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:57:56am

re: #393 zombie

Oh, and the format is borderline unreadable.

Actually, you can drop the "borderline."

That site drives me nuts. The design doesn't make any sense. I can't navigate over there. This is one of the few sites that is user friendly. At least to this user.

403 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:58:43am

re: #393 zombie

Oh, and the format is borderline unreadable.

Actually, you can drop the "borderline."

+1. And did you notice how many of them got their little text messages during the mystical 3 AM hour? The "news" must have waked up quite a few little Obamites - bet there are a lot of angry, sleepy minions out there...

404 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:59:42am

I gotta go, but I have to say there's feeling of hopey-changy-plugginess now in the air! Its gamey and fabulous!

Obama/Biden - Jackassery on parade! Asshattery on display! Crepluence oozing here and anon! Hubris, thy name is Obama bin Biden! Gaffes are the new black! Hair plugs are now a symbol of power, instead of fading youth and perhaps, manliness. Under the bus is the best place to ride! Arrogance will out! George Hussain Obama can now expect help for the US taxpayer! Glory to Jugs and Plugs '08!

With that, and the end of a live version of Scarlett Begonias, I gotta go.

405 Intrepid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:00:27am

The right-wing 527 folks are probably all schnackered from an over-abundance of champaign. So much material to work with!

406 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:00:40am

re: #403 TnTx13

It is also our 3 AM wake-up call. To prevent him from getting to office.

407 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:00:54am

re: #367 redc1c4

age & treachery will beat youth and skill every time.

/history

Good evening, red !

So I guess that means McCain should pick a VP nominee who is the embodiment of "treachery."

Do you have anyone in particular in mind ?

408 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:01:16am

re: #404 coquimbojoe

ROFLMAO!

409 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:01:30am

re: #400 TheMatrix31

Biden: Presidency Not The Place For On-The-Job Training

Joe will tutor Barack. He will be his Obi-Wan Bidenobi.

410 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:01:55am

re: #359 Pawn of the Oppressor

(snipage occurs)
How I hate these people... Fucking polticians. What if they had an election and nobody came?

then the a$$holes would win.

hold your nose in November & vote early and often.... %-)

411 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:03:06am

re: #385 rightwinger3

To be fair, I can see Pvt's in their too...(at least right up to the point where Gunny whacks 'em)

and some NCO's i had too...... %-)

/career E-4

412 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:03:41am

re: #410 redc1c4

And we must remember - The One hails from Illinois, where the dead also vote...

413 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:03:52am

re: #394 Pawn of the Oppressor

He's the first Republican I've ever really loathed, but my father did not spend most of his life on the front lines of the Cold War to see a fucking Marxist elected President.

Excellent. Just don't queer it with Lieberman, uncle on Romney, make Ol 'Plugs look like a total ass in the debates

/I know little about Palin, but Ol' plugs would have trouble against a woman, middle aged hottie, Alaskan Governor with five children

414 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:04:30am

re: #377 Killian Bundy

Are you not an atheist?

I've never said here on LGF, one way nor the other, what my religious leanings are.

How about this: Why have you felt compelled to call me an atheist through the course of more than a few threads despite my never having declared myself an atheist/theist? Or a Luddite in this thread?

Is there some particular bone you have to pick with me? A grudge that you can only express by attempting to characterize me as you have? Why do you feel the need to label me as such? Have I ever called you a creationist?

I'm a Christian who believes in evolution.

Say it once more, with feeling.

/You like to throw about labels without care or reference, so I'm sure you'll understand why I take your declarations with a certain amount of salt.

415 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:04:39am

re: #407 Temujin

Good evening, red !

So I guess that means McCain should pick a VP nominee who is the embodiment of "treachery."

Do you have anyone in particular in mind ?

i'm not busy, and i used to repo cars in South Central LA......

/as long as i can take the Fifth on personal questions and my background, i'm golden. %-)

416 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:05:13am

re: #391 shiplord kirel

A question for GOP insiders:

How did Karl Rove persuade Obama to pick Biden?

The beady-eyed poltroon is heaven's gift to the GOP.

From praising Obama as "clean," to trying to establish regular guy credentials by boasting that he represents a former slave state, Biden has a long history of putting his foot in his mouth in a big way.

Here's what I think -

Obama has been tanking in a very big way. See my note up above about the amount of money he is pumping into the campaign. And he sticks his foot in his mouth in a huge way almost daily. See the China is better remark of yesterday. I suspect that even the party big wigs that back Obama are starting to see that he might very well lose this thing.

So, if you're a young guy with hopes for the national political stage like Bayh or Kaine, it might very well be that when asked, you turn the guy down. VP choices of the losing candidates usually go nowhere. Dead enders. It might very well be that this decision - supposedly made while he was in Hawai'i a couple of weeks ago - has taken so long because people have been turning him down.

BTW, a high powered PA attorney filed a constitutional challenge to Obama's eligibility day before yesterday. I would not be the least bit surprised to see her walk out of the convention by the end of the week with the POTUS nod.

417 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:05:28am

I work on a college campus and I sense that Biden will motivate the youth vote to rock the vote for Obama-Biden.

No, not really. Sort of like spilling carpet tacks in front of the new sidewall tires.

Bad move for the the chosen One., good news for me.

Thank you divine messiah. May you enjoy your life in HIDE park a little bit longer before you torment us again in four years.

Best to all, My best motivation to work for John McCain and Mitt (I hope).
dhimmi

418 LeePro  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:07:13am

re: #404 coquimbojoe

I gotta go, but I have to say there's feeling of hopey-changy-plugginess now in the air! Its gamey and fabulous!

Obama/Biden - Jackassery on parade! Asshattery on display! Crepluence oozing here and anon! Hubris, thy name is Obama bin Biden! Gaffes are the new black! Hair plugs are now a symbol of power, instead of fading youth and perhaps, manliness. Under the bus is the best place to ride! Arrogance will out! George Hussain Obama can now expect help for the US taxpayer! Glory to Jugs and Plugs '08!

With that, and the end of a live version of Scarlett Begonias, I gotta go.

♥ and ⤴DING! ! !

"hopey-changy-plugginess" indeed! ROFLMAO!

419 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:09:14am

re: #417 dhimmishelter

I agree - I'm feeling much more motivated, and if McCain picks Mitt, that'll seal the deal for me!

420 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:09:42am
In 2007, [Biden] described Mr Obama as "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy".

Wait wait wait, it's just sinking in: It was Biden who said that? Biden?

I thought that "gaffe" spelled the immediate and absolute end of his political career. I thought he was laughed off the national stage.

That Joe Biden, of all conceivable people, is Obama's pick?

After pondering it for a minute in silence, I now think picking Biden is the greatest political blunder of the century, so far.

421 neocon hippie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:10:15am

It really is bizarre, isn't it? The whole way this was handled is just so inept.

I really think that he was turned down by Bayh and maybe others who did not want to deep-six their national political aspirations by jumping onto a sinking ship. If you're a relatively young and sane guy like Bayh, it's better to position yourself as a moderate and savior of the party after Hopey McChange's trainwreck. But Biden's an old guy, and this would be like his one last chance to get into the White House. Unlike the other possibilities, he has nothing to lose at this point.

Of course, as has been described above, he adds nothing to the ticket.

All McCain has to do now is nominate a governor: Romney, Pawlenty, or less likely, Palin.

422 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:10:49am

re: #420 zombie

That's one of the reasons that this is such a GREAT choice!

423 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:10:53am

re: #417 dhimmishelter

I work on a college campus and I sense that Biden will motivate the youth vote to rock the vote for Obama-Biden.

No, not really. Sort of like spilling carpet tacks in front of the new sidewall tires.

Bad move for the the chosen One., good news for me.

Thank you divine messiah. May you enjoy your life in HIDE park a little bit longer before you torment us again in four years.

Best to all, My best motivation to work for John McCain and Mitt (I hope).
dhimmi

Greta Van Sustren is on the tube right now - rerun from last night. Talking to Susan Estridge. They are both saying that women are going to be absolutely furious and that they are already getting huge amounts of email from Hillary supporters foaming at the mouth. Heh :)

424 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:11:24am

re: #414 Slumbering Behemoth

I've never said here on LGF, one way nor the other, what my religious leanings are

Well then, I apologize. Are you a Christian?

/Salmantis has come out as a Pagan and that's cool, I called him an atheist and I stand corrected

425 Picayune  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:11:29am

Late to this post, I am asking has any posted yet- that ole Joe WDC POL Biben is: Alxelrod picked, Michelle, Pel/Reed/Howerid Scream approved, and Obama tauted, as the newest acquisition to help them all now rearrange the chairs on the top deck of the USSR Obama Titanic?

They're a Ship of Fools on a kool-aid laden tanker already listing from the ice berg pop that the Polls now revel. (Gergan on 8/21/08- Veep selection needs to give a good bounce/energy - i.e., I translate, the Main man BHO is to weak to pull it off on his own - this is political blood in the water folks)

Did Biden know that Cal Delegation leader US Sen. Fienstein (or is it Boxer, things moving so fast now) is sitting this DNC Convention out (sprained/broken ankle?) who is a close HRC supporter. What does she know about the yet unknown, but perhaps planned for events at the DNC/Denver BASH that makes her duck for cover before the party even starts?

Plausible deniability and all, you know. Something tells me BHO & Co may be deep in dodo in the hall next week, Kazoos and all, while shit is literally hitting fan outside (on the DPD), complements of "Recreate'68, and Green Party Candidate, Cyn McKinny, et al. Best of Luck, Dems.

If so, j'regret! But still, I am LMAO in anticipation! This dire and dark scenario could not happen to a better bunch of leftist twits!

426 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:12:33am

re: #320 zombie

Someone needs to float a rumor that a laptop containing all those credit card numbers was lost in an airport by an Obama staffer. And that is has fallen into the hands of either Russian hacker identity fraudsters, or, even better, Republican dirty tricksters.

"Paranoid runs deep...into your life it will creep..."

LOL! I love your devious mind, Zombie.

427 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:13:20am

re: #420 zombie

Wait wait wait, it's just sinking in: It was Biden who said that? Biden?

I thought that "gaffe" spelled the immediate and absolute end of his political career. I thought he was laughed off the national stage.

That Joe Biden, of all conceivable people, is Obama's pick?

After pondering it for a minute in silence, I now think picking Biden is the greatest political blunder of the century, so far.

Yup. THAT Joe Biden. And that is about the least of the nasty things he has said about Obama. I cannot begin to imagine these two working together peacefully. Obama really impresses me as the sort who doesn't listen well in the first place and holds a grudge for all eternity. I don't exactly see him lending an ear to Joe's foreign policy experience either.

428 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:13:26am

re: #391 shiplord kirel

A question for GOP insiders:

How did Karl Rove persuade Obama to pick Biden?

The beady-eyed poltroon is heaven's gift to the GOP.

From praising Obama as "clean," to trying to establish regular guy credentials by boasting that he represents a former slave state, Biden has a long history of putting his foot in his mouth in a big way.

Biden should meditate on the following quote daily :

“A closed mouth gathers no feet.” — Unknown

429 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:14:34am

re: #426 Alberta Oil Peon

I wonder if it's possible to sabotage a teleprompter from long distance. Can't you see The One in the middle of his sermon on the mount, when all of a sudden the teleprompter goes dark? One can only HOPE!

430 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:15:08am

re: #424 Killian Bundy

Well then, I apologize. Are you a Christian?

/Salmantis has come out as a Pagan and that's cool, I called him an atheist and I stand corrected

Isn't that pretty out of line Killian?

431 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:15:48am

re: #423 galloping granny

Please see my post #27. You getting the popcorn ready for the big circus next week? Better double the recipe after tonight. It's going to be a bigger show than I first thought.

432 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:15:59am

re: #425 Picayune

I smell David Axelrod all over this....re: #21 MrPaulRevere

433 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:16:47am

re: #431 WayDownSouthInBama

Please see my post #27. You getting the popcorn ready for the big circus next week? Better double the recipe after tonight. It's going to be a bigger show than I first thought.

I have a long list of wonderful popcorn recipes that I will be posting on Sunday afternoon :) Shall I throw in some dip recipes?

434 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:16:53am

re: #431 WayDownSouthInBama

Please see my post #27. You getting the popcorn ready for the big circus next week? Better double the recipe after tonight. It's going to be a bigger show than I first thought.

MUCH bigger. It's going to be insane.

435 neocon hippie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:18:17am

What happened to the youth and newness and "vigah". Couldn't wacky Baracky find a single up-and-comer in the Democratic party to join him on his excellent adventure? Biden is 19 years older, while LBJ was only 9 years older than JFK.

436 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:19:51am

You have to be kidding me?

Look at the all the votes Hillary could have brought Obama.
LOGIC-

Quick! Tell me who the Vice President was 8 years ago? -See, no one remembers.

Joe Biden, 65 year old 6th term Senator is about
as much CHANGE as I have in my shirt pockets.
DUMB-

Get used to the term "Now introducing the President of the United States, John McCain!"

ROF

437 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:21:22am

re: #430 galloping granny

Isn't that pretty out of line Killian?

Slumbering Behemoth wades into ID/Creation threads.

/it's a yes or no question, or just none of your business, I'd think the answer would be obvious, but I'll drop it since it makes some uncomfortable

438 Edouard  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:21:24am

Can't wait to listen on Monday...

Joe Biden = Golf ball on tee
Rush Limbaugh = Ultra-long-distance driver

Fore!

439 Outrider  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:21:28am

Just came back in and seen the massive self inflicted wound BO has given himself! Excellent!

So; the Hillary folks are even more pissed off and now he has torqued off all the folks that paid for the privilege of being "the first to know" via text messaging -and- this news is released at 0 dark thirty on a Friday night/Saturday morning after the newspapers have already come out and most folks are in bed.

This guy is running a worse campaign than the little AV nerd boys that try to run for class president against the most popular kids in school.

This is going to be one AWESOME week coming up!

440 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:22:00am

re: #435 neocon hippie

If Barak had really wanted to choose someone closer to his own vision of the Democratic party, he would have picked Dennis Kucinich . . .

441 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:23:20am

re: #424 Killian Bundy

Well then, I apologize. Are you a Christian?

/Salmantis has come out as a Pagan and that's cool, I called him an atheist and I stand corrected

Gracious enough, I suppose, but why do you feel compelled to call anyone an atheist? Do you see it as an easy foil with which to demonize others? I don't get it. I don't get why you called me a Luddite, either.

442 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:23:46am

re: #391 shiplord kirel

A question for GOP insiders:

How did Karl Rove persuade Obama to pick Biden?

The beady-eyed poltroon is heaven's gift to the GOP.

From praising Obama as "clean," to trying to establish regular guy credentials by boasting that he represents a former slave state, Biden has a long history of putting his foot in his mouth in a big way.

Biden should meditate on the following quote daily :

“A closed mouth gathers no feet.” — Unknown
Dear Shiplord Kriel:

Thank you for the useful quote. Lucky for me, both of these self-absorbed boors (Chosen ONE and Slo-Joe) do not follow the time tested axiom:

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt?"

I can't wait to bury these two in the ash-heap of history. One or two Saddleback debates should remove all doubts about the Empty Suit and his Delaware fellow traveler. --dhimmi
With thanks to Granny as well.

443 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:24:18am

re: #436 ibmkeyboard

You have to be kidding me?

Look at the all the votes Hillary could have brought Obama.
LOGIC-

Quick! Tell me who the Vice President was 8 years ago? -See, no one remembers.

Joe Biden, 65 year old 6th term Senator is about
as much CHANGE as I have in my shirt pockets.
DUMB-

Get used to the term "Now introducing the President of the United States, John McCain!"

ROF

You know, I've heard the "Hillary at least deserves the VP" slot so many times - ever since she "surrendered" and I have to tell you, that is about the last thing I can imagine Hillary acquiescing to. And frankly, for Obama to even suggest such a thing to her would be just grinding her face in it - "I stole your run for the Presidency, but now I need you to win, so I'm going to relegate you to the also-ran seat and destroy any hope you have for a further career."

Accepting the VP for Hillary would have meant one of two things - she would be pretty darned old when she got her turn 8 years down the road or her political career would be in absolute tatters from the fall out over the mess he caused.

444 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:25:10am

re: #434 zombie

MUCH bigger. It's going to be insane.

It doesn't have much of a choice BUT to be insane now. I've been looking up some Biden statements and this is going to be some rich material! If you haven't already,take a look at the quote by Biden in the spin off link I posted in this thread. Biden's run his mouth so much that stupid stuff from him is everywhere! Biden has to be one of the worst possible picks Obama could have made right behind Wright,Ayers,Rezko,and maybe Charles Manson. Toss up on Manson.

445 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:27:39am

Y'know, I want to revisit the "Obama bin Biden" quip.

Obama already had a problem with the fact that his name was one letter away from Osama. Like it or not, the two got a little confused in people's minds.

And now, after a six-month "branding campaign" trying to get people to remember the name "Obama" as being distinct from "Osama," he had to go and make things a million times worse by picking as his VP someone whose name is very very similar to "Laden."

I mean, linguistically, it was the worst choice imagineable.

"Who are you voting for?"

"Obama/Joe Biden."

"What? You're voting for Osama bin Laden?"

"No, I said 'Obama/Joe Biden.'"

"Oh, I thought you said Osama bin Laden."

Keep in mind that Osama bin Laden still ranks as the nation's #1 bogeyman. You don't want to be associated with him in any way.

446 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:28:17am

re: #441 Slumbering Behemoth

I called you a luddite because you were lagging, refusing to accept reality three hours after Captian Obvious called Biden.

/would you prefer another description?

447 Price_of_Peace  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:28:49am

Just heard the Dem Talking Heads referring to Biden bringing "Gravitas" back to the party. That phrase didn't stand up the last time they used it. Why try again?

448 docremulac  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:29:35am

Bad choice for Obama. Biden brings no voters to the ticket. He should have picked that gal and given the Hillary feminists some acknowledgment. Biden's also blown one presidential campaign already. His own. They may be thinking having an old white dude on the ticket will make it more palatable to the American voter who they think of as a bunch of foaming at the mouth racists.

If McCain grabs Romney he's in. This crap about voters not wanting a Mormon was a fabrication of corrupt liberal controlled polls and media generated b.s.

Then flip the ticket and have McCain be the VP and I'd actually be happy to vote the ticket.

449 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:29:59am

re: #437 Killian Bundy

Slumbering Behemoth

wades

into ID/Creation threads.

You flatter me unduly. I create barely a ripple on any thread, including those. Better minds than mine have laid bare the fallacies and political agendas of the "Intelligent DesignTM movement, and have done so more prolifically, and with much better documentation, than I.

450 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:30:09am

re: #442 dhimmishelter

Really: try the "quote" button above the comment you're citing. Works like a charm! And makes things easier for us to read!

451 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:31:52am

re: #445 zombie

Y'know, I want to revisit the "Obama bin Biden" quip.

Obama already had a problem with the fact that his name was one letter away from Osama. Like it or not, the two got a little confused in people's minds.

And now, after a six-month "branding campaign" trying to get people to remember the name "Obama" as being distinct from "Osama," he had to go and make things a million times worse by picking as his VP someone whose name is very very similar to "Laden."

I mean, linguistically, it was the worst choice imagineable.

"Who are you voting for?"

"Obama/Joe Biden."

"What? You're voting for Osama bin Laden?"

"No, I said 'Obama/Joe Biden.'"

"Oh, I thought you said Osama bin Laden."

Keep in mind that Osama bin Laden still ranks as the nation's #1 bogeyman. You don't want to be associated with him in any way.

That had not even dawned on me. And I am just deaf enough to hear it that way myself. (I drive the kids nuts with "What?")

BTW, seen this -
[Link: hotair.com...]

452 shiplord kirel  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:32:36am

Biden guarantees a McCain victory, GOP propagandists will feast on his gamy buttocks (and beady eyes, plugged hair, berserk mouth, etc.)
Obama could not have done more damage to his campaign if he had been caught buggering an American eagle in the middle of the Washington mall.

453 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:33:29am

Just got in- how much of a sure thing is it that Joe Biden will be Obama's VP choice? Did any lizards get the promised Text message from the Obama campaign?

454 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:34:13am

re: #452 shiplord kirel

Biden guarantees a McCain victory, GOP propagandists will feast on his gamy buttocks (and beady eyes, plugged hair, berserk mouth, etc.)
Obama could not have done more damage to his campaign if he had been caught buggering an American eagle in the middle of the Washington mall.

You forget the 30 years of mis-speaks, scandal, failed presidential bids, plagiarism. . . .

Kind of like shooting king salmon in a barrel.

455 Picayune  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:34:15am

re: #432 MrPaulRevere

Oh, I think so, having been a PR Pol consultant (king maker, ha) many years past. Ride Revere Ride! Sound the warning far and wide! One if by land, two if be sea, and bonefires everywhere if the entire MSM is in the shilling tank, by air! Sing it son, sing it!

456 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:34:42am

Obama bin bitten.

457 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:34:51am

re: #453 Fenway_Nation

Just got in- how much of a sure thing is it that Joe Biden will be Obama's VP choice? Did any lizards get the promised Text message from the Obama campaign?

It is on his website and a couple of folks posted above that people were starting to get their text messages.

458 Outrider  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:35:00am

re: #453 Fenway_Nation

Just got in- how much of a sure thing is it that Joe Biden will be Obama's VP choice? Did any lizards get the promised Text message from the Obama campaign?


No text message, but it is on BOs official website.

459 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:35:11am

re: #449 Slumbering Behemoth

You flatter me unduly. I create barely a ripple on any thread, including those. Better minds than mine have laid bare the fallacies and political agendas of the "Intelligent DesignTM movement, and have done so more prolifically, and with much better documentation, than I.

Okay, fair enough, data point.

/rubber meets the road

460 Edouard  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:35:19am

re: #447 Price_of_Peace

Just heard the Dem Talking Heads referring to Biden bringing "Gravitas" back to the party. That phrase didn't stand up the last time they used it. Why try again?

Well, if "gravitas" is the logical product of being a world-class blowhard, then I'd say those talking heads are right on the money.

461 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:35:36am

re: #420 zombie

Wait wait wait, it's just sinking in: It was Biden who said that? Biden?

I thought that "gaffe" spelled the immediate and absolute end of his political career. I thought he was laughed off the national stage.

That Joe Biden, of all conceivable people, is Obama's pick?

After pondering it for a minute in silence, I now think picking Biden is the greatest political blunder of the century, so far.

but then again, we're only 8 years into it.....

/give them time. %-)

462 shiplord kirel  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:35:58am

re: #454 galloping granny

You forget the 30 years of mis-speaks, scandal, failed presidential bids, plagiarism. . . .

Kind of like shooting king salmon in a barrel.

I didn't forget. There is just not enough space in this brief format to list all the gourmet goodies Biden brings to the GOP table.

463 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:36:00am

re: #452 shiplord kirel

Biden guarantees a McCain victory, GOP propagandists will feast on his gamy buttocks (and beady eyes, plugged hair, berserk mouth, etc.)
Obama could not have done more damage to his campaign if he had been caught buggering an American eagle in the middle of the Washington mall.

is that legal?

ho.

464 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:36:01am

re: #447 Price_of_Peace

Just heard the Dem Talking Heads referring to Biden bringing "Gravitas" back to the party. That phrase didn't stand up the last time they used it. Why try again?

Gravity? Is that what you're supposed to think of when you think of Biden?

When I think of "Biden" and "gravity" together, here's what comes to my mind : Joe Biden has reached the Age of Heavy Metals.

Silver in his hair. Gold in his teeth.

Lead in his ass.

465 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:36:12am

re: #445 zombie

I agree. They better start calling themselves Clean & Jerk as soon as possible.

466 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:36:40am

re: #448 docremulac

Biden's also blown one presidential campaign already.


Actually he's blown two presidential campaigns. He screwed up his campaign in 1988 by plagarizing a British PM and then again in 2007 by claiming Barack was the first clean articulate African American

467 Outrider  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:36:53am

Wonder why some get text message but others not? My daughters phone isn't getting it and she was in for it.

468 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:37:35am

re: #460 Edouard

Well, if "gravitas" is the logical product of being a world-class blowhard, then I'd say those talking heads are right on the money.

They needed "gravitas" from Joe Biden, because Obama's dye job did not work. Fox is going to rerun Saddle Back tonight at 8. Watch carefully and you will notice that while most people relax on vacation, Obama went gray literally overnight.

469 shiplord kirel  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:37:36am

re: #463 ibmkeyboard

is that legal?

ho.

Only in Berkeley.

470 Picayune  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:37:44am

re: #438 Edouard

Look out left, it's a giant Duck Hooka'coming!

471 Outrider  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:38:05am

re: #463 ibmkeyboard

re: #452 shiplord kirel

Biden guarantees a McCain victory, GOP propagandists will feast on his gamy buttocks (and beady eyes, plugged hair, berserk mouth, etc.)
Obama could not have done more damage to his campaign if he had been caught buggering an American eagle in the middle of the Washington mall.

is that legal?

ho.


Is it even possible?

472 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:38:15am

re: #464 Temujin

Gravity? Is that what you're supposed to think of when you think of Biden?

When I think of "Biden" and "gravity" together, here's what comes to my mind : Joe Biden has reached the Age of Heavy Metals.

Silver in his hair. Gold in his teeth.

Lead in his ass.

LOL

473 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:38:19am

re: #425 Picayune

Dude: they have meds that will help you.... srsly.

474 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:38:56am

Dear Zombie,

Okay will do. I am still trying to navigate these advances in technology. Here, let's try:
re: #450 zombie

Did that work? I appreciate your forbearance. I have been in the PRC teaching for the past year, and Internet access was severely limited
I left just before the games. And the minders never taught me about how to use reply quotes. Although the Chosen One has championed the superior infrastructure of the chi-coms, I found it hard to keep up with the privileged communications ability of the running dogs.
I will get better. I don't think you can. Keep it up. best, dhimmi

475 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:39:12am

If I were a betting man (which I sort of was after my last trip to the racetrack) I was going to say that Obama would've selected someone with some experience as well as tepid, bland and boring so as not to steal the spotlight from him. I wasnt thinking of Biden by name, but he fits that description to a 'T'.

/Also, I was only betting on ponies to finish 'show', not 1st or 2nd.

476 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:39:49am

re: #430 galloping granny

Isn't that pretty out of line Killian?

hasn't stopped him recently.....

477 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:40:04am

re: #465 HelloDare

I agree. They better start calling themselves Clean & Jerk as soon as possible.

we on a roll,

ha.

478 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:40:22am

re: #467 Outrider

Wonder why some get text message but others not? My daughters phone isn't getting it and she was in for it.

Maybe she didn't give enough money. Maybe they do not know how to do a broadcast text message and are doing them one at a time. Maybe they started in and somebody told them to stop.

Doesn't look good for Obama. Breaks my heart.

479 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:41:00am

re: #433 galloping granny

I have a long list of wonderful popcorn recipes that I will be posting on Sunday afternoon :) Shall I throw in some dip recipes?

gonna be hard to beat the Democrat one.... %-)

480 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:41:15am

re: #471 Outrider

Is it even possible?

Larry Flint claims his first time was with a chicken so I'd guess physically it is possible.

481 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:42:14am

re: #474 dhimmishelter

Dear Zombie,

Okay will do. I am still trying to navigate these advances in technology. Here, let's try:


Did that work? I appreciate your forbearance. I have been in the PRC teaching for the past year, and Internet access was severely limited
I left just before the games. And the minders never taught me about how to use reply quotes. Although the Chosen One has championed the superior infrastructure of the chi-coms, I found it hard to keep up with the privileged communications ability of the running dogs.
I will get better. I don't think you can. Keep it up. best, dhimmi

I saw the PRC and was wondering if you could do a report on just how much better the Chinese infrastructure is than our own. I'm sure we would all be very interested.

482 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:42:29am

re: #480 Neo Con since 9-11

Larry Flint claims his first time was with a chicken so I'd guess physically it is possible.

this is turning into a needle thread.

483 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:43:08am

re: #480 Neo Con since 9-11

Larry Flint claims his first time was with a chicken so I'd guess physically it is possible.

Chickens don't got talons.

484 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:43:13am

re: #479 redc1c4

gonna be hard to beat the Democrat one.... %-)

Which democrat dip? Squeaky or the snail?

485 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:43:15am

re: #474 dhimmishelter

Actually what I meant was that I cannot top your quotes, not that you could not do better than my feeble (as yet ) internet skills.

My apologies for my poor use of words.

dhimmi

486 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:43:30am

Next Democrat Bumper Sticker :

Obama/Biden/Fubar '08
Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk

487 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:43:40am

re: #480 Neo Con since 9-11
Speaking of Flint, didn't he claim to have some major dirt on a big politician? That was a long time ago, too.

488 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:44:28am

re: #446 Killian Bundy

I called you a luddite because you were lagging, refusing to accept reality three hours after Captian Obvious called Biden.

I refused nothing, and only expressed an amount of doubt. That is not Luddism, that is skepticism.

It would seem you have your finger more tightly pressed upon the pulse of the MSM, and have been reading their stories well ahead of me at the time of my expressed skepticism.

I did not deny reality, but I may very well be lagging behind the MSM reporting on this subject. Wouldn't be the first time.

/would you prefer another description?

In this instance? Laggard would be a much better description than Luddite.

489 Westward Ho  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:46:03am

re: #173 Noam Sayin'

Been here since before registration and you've know idea who Stinky is?

LGF was blocked in Dubai all these years only recently for reasons unknown has the ban been lifted.

490 Outrider  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:46:44am

re: #478 galloping granny

Maybe she didn't give enough money. Maybe they do not know how to do a broadcast text message and are doing them one at a time. Maybe they started in and somebody told them to stop.

Doesn't look good for Obama. Breaks my heart.


So a case of not enough CHANGE on her part and too much HOPE on Obamas tech crew?

I'm betting BO was already asleep and someone porked the puppy on this one. One or two more for the unemployed rolls tomorrow.

491 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:47:07am

re: #486 WayDownSouthInBama

Obama/Biden. They are like the Three Stooges minus Curly. Barack is Moe.

492 LeePro  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:47:13am

re: #456 ibmkeyboard

Obama bin bSHitten.


Bedtime!

  ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {Beloved Lizards}!

493 shiplord kirel  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:47:23am

re: #471 Outrider

Is it even possible?

Not sure, but Zombie has pictures of someone who would know.

494 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:48:42am

re: #467 Outrider

Wonder why some get text message but others not? My daughters phone isn't getting it and she was in for it.

---------

It's 3 o'clock in the morning.

You're expecting an important text-message from the President of the United States.

But -- it never shows up.

[Photo of Obama scowling quizzically at a cell phone.]

Obama: If he can't properly send a text message, can we expect him to stop WWIII?

--------

Really, these McCain ads write themselves.

495 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:49:13am

re: #490 Outrider

So a case of not enough CHANGE on her part and too much HOPE on Obamas tech crew?

I'm betting BO was already asleep and someone porked the puppy on this one. One or two more for the unemployed rolls tomorrow.

They are getting so they have one heck of a graveyard under that bus.

496 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:50:34am

PETA Wants To Buy SeaWorld And Free Shamu

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to buy a SeaWorld park, possibly the one in San Diego, free the animals inside and replace them with virtual reality exhibits, it was reported today.

Officials with the animal rights group say they have an anonymous donor willing to shell out big money to purchase at least one of SeaWorld's three parks, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

/you know, because zoo animal thrive in the wild, just like the animals PETA rescues from shelters

497 Outrider  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:50:37am

re: #493 shiplord kirel

Is it even possible?

Not sure, but Zombie has pictures of someone who would know.


I am quite sure Zombie has photos of someone actually engaged in the deed.

498 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:50:54am

re: #494 zombie

After midnight, Obama will have all his calls forwarded to Biden.

499 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:51:16am

re: #494 zombie

But . . . but . . . Barry promised us he was ready for those 3 a.m. phone calls!

500 Outrider  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:51:54am

re: #495 galloping granny

They are getting so they have one heck of a graveyard under that bus.


One hell of a monster bus is all I got to say about it. ;-)>

501 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:52:16am

re: #496 Killian Bundy

PETA Wants To Buy SeaWorld And Free Shamu

/you know, because zoo animal thrive in the wild, just like the animals PETA rescues from shelters

Shamu probably suffers from agoraphobia.

502 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:52:32am

re: #492 LeePro

Bedtime!

  ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {Beloved Lizards} and red!


/fixed again %-)

503 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:52:52am

re: #476 redc1c4

hasn't stopped him recently.....

/still going to invade Russia?

504 shiplord kirel  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:53:33am

Maybe this is Obama's idea of winning over what he imagines to be the embittered, Bible-clinging, gun-nut elements who run fly-over country:
"Well, this here Biden fellah' says Obama is clean and smart for a black guy; and Biden come from a slave state, even if they wasn't in the Confederacy; so Ima guessin' he's ok."

505 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:53:37am

hey! look at all this fruitcup i found!

what to do?

/white smoke

506 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:53:58am

G'nite, Lizards. See y'all tomorrow.

507 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:54:05am

re: #500 Outrider

How do you throw the whole Democratic party under a bus?

508 Outrider  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:54:07am

re: #496 Killian Bundy

PETA Wants To Buy SeaWorld And Free Shamu

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to buy a SeaWorld park, possibly the one in San Diego, free the animals inside and replace them with virtual reality exhibits, it was reported today.

Officials with the animal rights group say they have an anonymous donor willing to shell out big money to purchase at least one of SeaWorld's three parks, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

/you know, because zoo animal thrive in the wild, just like the animals PETA rescues from shelters


I can imagine half the critters promptly consuming the other half immediately upon release.

509 LeePro  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:54:49am

re: #502 redc1c4

/fixed again %-)

{ { {redc1c4} } }

;D

510 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:54:57am

re: #503 Killian Bundy

/still going to invade Russia?

are you still going to deliberately misrepresent what i said?

(of course you are: it's what you do best. %-)

511 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:55:08am

re: #488 Slumbering Behemoth

In this instance? Laggard would be a much better description than Luddite.

/laggard then

512 Outrider  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:55:10am

re: #507 HelloDare

re: #500 Outrider

How do you throw the whole Democratic party under a bus?


With joy in my heart and a shit eating grin on my face?

513 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:55:44am

re: #507 HelloDare

How do you throw the whole Democratic party under a bus?

carefully, so you get them all?

/just guessing %-)

514 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:56:33am

re: #485 dhimmishelter

Actually what I meant was that I cannot top your quotes, not that you could not do better than my feeble (as yet ) internet skills.

My apologies for my poor use of words.

dhimmi

No problem. Just trying to give techinical pointers.

Click the word "quote" above this comment, and watch what happens.

515 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:56:57am

re: #509 LeePro

{ { {redc1c4} } }

;D

/mopp5 decon procedures

(besides, i'd ruin you for normal men. %-)

516 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:57:00am

re: #505 redc1c4

hey! look at all this fruitcup i found!

what to do?

/white smoke


Is it leftover from yesterday?

517 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:57:18am

re: #507 HelloDare

How do you throw the whole Democratic party under a bus?

With gusto!

518 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:57:33am

re: #514 zombie

No problem. Just trying to give techinical pointers.

Click the word "quote" above this comment, and watch what happens.

not much.....

can i get a beer? %-)

519 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:57:50am

re: #482 ibmkeyboard
re: #483 Temujin
re: #487 HelloDare
I did not mean to turn this into a bestiality thread. I'm no expert on Flint's activities or what he knows about major political figures. I simply know that particular disgusting bit of trivia becauses I live only 60 miles from Flint's home base and I some times read their alternative paper.

520 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:58:52am

re: #512 Outrider

and

re: #513 redc1c4

ROFLMAO - and nitey-nite, all!

521 arizona9  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:58:56am

"hopey-changy-plugginess" indeed! ROFLMAO!

Lol. My idea on the other thread was an ad featuring a montage of Biden's ever changing hairline with 'Change We Can Belive In' scrolling along the bottom. Hey, what about that plagiarism thing way back when....wasn't that Biden?

Jugs & Plugs O8!

522 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:59:35am

re: #516 galloping granny

Is it leftover from yesterday?

leftover fruitcup is deposited in the lounge still every morning, and converted into fuel for that day's LNDT. it's our way of fighting Gorebull Warming in a meaningful way.

/cheers!

523 shiplord kirel  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:00:03am

"Obama-Biden"

That whirring sound from Bonham Texas is my great uncle Sam Rayburn turning over in his grave.

524 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:00:19am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

525 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:00:51am

re: #505 redc1c4

hey! look at all this fruitcup i found!

what to do?

/white smoke

red . . . what have you done with to littleoldlady ?

526 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:00:53am

re: #510 redc1c4

are you still going to deliberately misrepresent what i said?

(of course you are: it's what you do best. %-)

/okay, are you prepared to force the remaining, noncomplying Russian checkpoints in Georgian territory proper (by ceasefire agreement the Russians get about ten)?

527 Panhandler  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:01:05am

Here Little old Lady, I brought this nice and warm from the oven for the Never On saturday Diet folks.
MMMMMM - Rhubarbre: #524 littleoldlady

Here Little old Lady, I brought this nice and warm from the oven for the Never On saturday Diet folks.
MMMMMM - RhubarbHere Little old Lady, I brought this nice and warm from the oven for the Never On saturday Diet folks.
MMMMMM - Rhubarb

528 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:01:45am

re: #519 Neo Con since 9-11

re: #483 Temujin
re: #487 HelloDare
I did not mean to turn this into a bestiality thread. I'm no expert on Flint's activities or what he knows about major political figures. I simply know that particular disgusting bit of trivia becauses I live only 60 miles from Flint's home base and I some times read their alternative paper.

i saw him a year or so ago at the Hotel California. we were there for a professional dinner, and as we were leaving, he and his assistants were headed into the polo lounge....... i don't care how much money you have: being stuck in a wheel chair has to suck.

529 Panhandler  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:02:00am

re: #527 Panhandler

Did I mention that I really, really like rhubarb?

530 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:02:33am

re: #524 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

There you are, LoL !

For a moment, red had me worried . . .

531 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:02:55am

The arrival of fruitcup is an indicator the hour is late.

Adieu -- and don't let that blasted Irishman O'Biden steal this election!

532 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:03:01am

re: #524 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

I knew somebody tried to foist off either leftover or counterfeit fruit cup! How're you this morning littleoldlady?

533 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:03:15am

re: #525 Temujin

red . . . what have you done with to littleoldlady ?

a gentleman never tells.

i'm no gentleman, but still..................... %-)

/white smoke

534 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:03:40am

Did you know that Obama voted against armored humvees for the troops?

535 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:03:51am

re: #529 Panhandler

Did I mention that I really, really like rhubarb?

with strawberries.

yummmmmm!

/and lard crust. %-)

536 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:04:31am

re: #534 galloping granny

Did you know that Obama voted against armored humvees for the troops?

you sure it wasn't just "present", because he thought that meant they'd be a gift?

/

537 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:04:59am

re: #529 Panhandler

Did I mention that I really, really like rhubarb?

Me too. Best thing in the world.

538 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:05:50am

re: #536 redc1c4

you sure it wasn't just "present", because he thought that meant they'd be a gift?

/

That is what somebody (Dick Morris I think) just said on Hannity. Apparently it is a Biden quote.

539 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:07:09am

Temujin! :-)

granny! :-)

I almost slept through fruitcup! :-/

re: #527 Panhandler

Panhandler! :-)

Hmmm...my aunt Julie (z"l) used to make that.

/about the only thing that she made that was any good. ;-)

How come things are tripling here?

540 Outrider  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:07:48am

re: #535 redc1c4

with strawberries.

yummmmmm!

/and lard crust. %-)

Is there really any other way to make a crust?

541 restitutor orbis  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:07:54am

So Biden is it, huh?
Isn't this the same guy who said he would unilaterally go into Darfur? Great so now instead of invading a sovereign country and policing a civil war for neocon warmongers to fatten the pockets of oil companies,(as is citd by Obama, Biden, and ilk) this idiot will have us invading a sovereign country and policing a civil war for hollywood liberals to assuage their feelings of white western guilt.

Sounds great! Lets get this tool into office!

542 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:08:33am

'Night, zombie! :-)

shiplord! :-)

red! :-)

Neo Con! :-)

Killian! :-)

543 freetoken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:08:39am

re: #524 littleoldlady

Big crowd for this morning's buffet.... glad you brought extra bagels!


Did you send your congratulatory fruit basket to Sen. Biden yet?

544 Panhandler  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:08:45am

re: #535 redc1c4

with strawberries.

yummmmmm!

/and lard crust. %-)

Yesseree red, sets you up for those trying moments.

545 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:08:47am

LoL, did you know that neither Delaware nor Arizona have an Official State Fruit ?

Illinois, OTOH, has the Goldrush apple . . .

/These politcos have clearly fallen down on the job!

546 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:09:12am

Just a thought...is it possible that Obama has become so arrogant that he picked Biden just as a snub at Hillary? Could this be Obama's way of saying to Hillary "who needs you"? Is it possible the the Cult of the Golden Child believes they can fly solo without the Hillary voters?

I know. I should've been in bed hours ago but this forum is such a great place it's hard to leave. But I must. Have a great weekend everybody!

547 Red Cloud  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:09:29am

Joe Biden - the announcement so exciting, they HAD to wait until extremely late on a Friday night to make it!

548 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:09:47am

re: #526 Killian Bundy

/okay, are you prepared to force the remaining, noncomplying Russian checkpoints in Georgian territory proper (by ceasefire agreement the Russians get about ten)?

changing the debate and/or moving the goalposts is as disingenuous as your other tactics for discussions. until you are willing to either address the points made by others accurately, stick to yours with 3rd party proof, or admit your errors when proven wrong by neutral evidence, i fail to see any purpose in exchanging comments with you, since it violates the first law of singing.

/HAND, TFP.

549 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:10:40am

freetoken! :-)

Oh, NICE! :-)

re: #545 Temujin

Delaware is right around the corner from me.

/and I know some people there who would qualify as fruits...

550 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:11:06am

re: #546 WayDownSouthInBama

Just a thought...is it possible that Obama has become so arrogant that he picked Biden just as a snub at Hillary? Could this be Obama's way of saying to Hillary "who needs you"? Is it possible the the Cult of the Golden Child believes they can fly solo without the Hillary voters?

I know. I should've been in bed hours ago but this forum is such a great place it's hard to leave. But I must. Have a great weekend everybody!

Nope. Choosing Hillary would have been a huge slap in the face to her. I think he chose Biden because nobody else would take it. Political suicide. Except maybe for old Joe, who has been in the Senate forever.

551 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:11:13am

re: #540 Outrider

Is there really any other way to make a crust?

not in America......

/*REAL AMERICA* anyway..... %-)

552 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:11:14am

re: #528 redc1c4

i saw him a year or so ago at the Hotel California. we were there for a professional dinner, and as we were leaving, he and his assistants were headed into the polo lounge....... i don't care how much money you have: being stuck in a wheel chair has to suck.

Hate to say it but if there's one wheelchair bound person who I don't feel sorry for is an exploiter of young women.

553 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:12:03am

re: #549 littleoldlady

freetoken! :-)

Oh, NICE! :-)

Delaware is right around the corner from me.

/and I know some people there who would qualify as fruits...not that there's anything wrong with that.

/fixed that for ya! %-)

554 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:13:07am

re: #550 galloping granny

I got a big kick out of reading that "Hillary wasn't even vetted", granny. I mean, why bother vetting ANY of Obama's VP choices since he himself (or should that be He Himself?) was never vetted.

/obviously.

555 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:13:24am

re: #549 littleoldlady

Delaware does have the Peach blossom as the official state flower, though!

Go figure . . .

556 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:13:48am

re: #553 redc1c4

Depends on the kind of fruit, I guess... ;-)

557 Panhandler  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:14:21am

re: #541 restitutor orbis
While we're at it, don't forget the feint into Myrnamar

558 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:14:24am

re: #555 Temujin

Delaware does have the Peach blossom as the official state flower, though!

Go figure . . .

does it bloom in August?

/white smoke

559 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:14:37am

The real tragedy will be the way the DeMSM will spin Biden into some kind of Hero of Soviet Labor over the next few days, in time for the Central Commitee meeting in Colorado. They'll cook up something over the weekend and when they get back in the office on Monday we'll have the party line. "Gravitas" is a start, then we'll be hearing about "experience" and "hard-hitting criticism" and so on. Photos will be staged, new vocabulary will be invented, and orders for whitewash will be placed by the palette-load. An obnoxious, beltway-insider, jelly-legged failure with a big mouth will be turned into a street-fighting rough rider who fights for the common man, or whatever shit the backroom types think will work best for The Mighty O.

In Soviet Denver, media reports you!

Gravitas... Oi vey

560 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:16:02am

re: #557 Panhandler

While we're at it, don't forget the feint into Myrnamar

Does the permission of one petty dictator outweigh the obligation to save about a million lives.

Go into Burma with the aid that the Americans have in the fleet just off the coast, and the aircarft they have in Thailnd. Just do it, or this will be viewed like the lack of response in New Orleans after Katrina. There are bodies rotting in the streets. SEND THE TROUPS IN for God's sake!

/not sure we have any TROUPS to send....... %-)

561 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:16:26am

re: #352 LeePro

Busy, busy, busy...good to see you.

562 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:17:25am

re: #554 littleoldlady

I got a big kick out of reading that "Hillary wasn't even vetted", granny. I mean, why bother vetting ANY of Obama's VP choices since he himself (or should that be He Himself?) was never vetted.

/obviously.

I have to agree with you there. Waiting with bated breath to see if the attorney in PA gets the injuction. That would throw a huge monkey wrench into the works.

563 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:18:39am

re: #561 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Busy, busy, busy...good to see you.

and yet, she's gone.....

564 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:19:21am

The official State Fruit of Texas is the Texas Red Grapefruit.

I think I'll send John McCain an email urging him to pick someone from Texas as his V.P nominee.

565 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:19:33am

Oh my goodness Dick Morris is trying to foist Hutchinson onto McCain because we "need a woman." Don't we have a single conservative woman somewhere in government other than her?

566 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:19:50am

How are those 'Recreate 68' preperations coming along, I wonder?

567 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:20:06am

re: #555 Temujin

That's weird.

What I know about Delaware:

1. It's where Pennsylvanians go to shop when we don't want to pay sales tax. (Also cheaper liquor.)

2. Winterthur is beautiful.

3. It's a nice state (small!) to drive through on the way to Florida.

568 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:20:17am

re: #566 Fenway_Nation

How are those 'Recreate 68' preperations coming along, I wonder?

They call up the Colorado National Guard yet?

569 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:20:43am

re: #548 redc1c4

changing the debate and/or moving the goalposts is as disingenuous as your other tactics for discussions. until you are willing to either address the points made by others accurately, stick to yours with 3rd party proof, or admit your errors when proven wrong by neutral evidence, i fail to see any purpose in exchanging comments with you, since it violates the first law of singing.

/HAND, TFP.

So, what do you want to talk about?

/I'm convinced Russia has withdrawn as far as they're going to for now and it's not that far from the U.N. negotiated cease fire

570 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:20:54am

re: #562 galloping granny

I have to agree with you there. Waiting with bated breath to see if the attorney in PA gets the injuction. That would throw a huge monkey wrench into the works.

i'd have to say that the injunction filing is Troofer BS......

there are so many things to hammer Dumbass on, why is anyone looking in the fringes, when all the meat is right there?

571 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:21:21am

re: #565 galloping granny

Oh my goodness Dick Morris is trying to foist Hutchinson onto McCain because we "need a woman." Don't we have a single conservative woman somewhere in government other than her?

Yes we do, Governor Palin. I've been screaming it for the past week.

572 Picayune  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:21:34am

re: #473 redc1c4

No meds tonight, Dude, just Yellow Tail Merlot.

Now go fact ck: Recreate68.com web site, Denver FD finds house of piss; kazoos for BHO if Hill is dissed by Obamatrons, Cal Sen. is no show, Gergan @ RCPolitics.com, etc.. It's al there. Just connecting the possible dots here.

I remember DEM '68 in CHI, it was ugly to the max. Recreate68 says it will do it all over again, force it's way into the hall, throw human feces, etc., but it may just be bluster. My son will film whatever happens.

I don't wish it on DEMS in Denver this year, but given the infective of some of the whacked out left this year on blogs (BDS is tame), their penchant for near suicide-by-cops routines, GITMO Mile Hign on the Platte rant, well, it is possible.

My grandmother, a conservative, was a state party chair to the DEM convention decades ago, and I hope they can now pull it off with more than a modicum of decorum - but these days, one never knows. For her sake, I hope they act appropriately.

It would not only make the Dems look horrid (who in their right mind would turn over the reigns to this country to a party that is in open riot), but it would hurt the image of the USA and democracy worldwide.

So, no, I don't advocate a "dire and dark scenario" for the Dems in Denver, yet when the disgruntled, dissed Hill fans meet the Obama "we are the ones who we have been waiting for" swill crowd - anything can and may happen, with a willing MSM looking for ratings, filming all. Who knows.

If BHO wins - send me the Meds! My Doc wife won't, but we will all need'um big time then! Hello Socialism, good bye Founding Fathers/Constitution! That clear it up?

573 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:21:50am

re: #565 galloping granny

Palin, but obviously they didn't pick her.

/she's scheduled for a speech at the convention.

Fenway! :-)

aboo! :-)

574 Panhandler  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:22:10am

re: #560 redc1c4
Did you notice the top of the page? That set of photos is about as official as you can get. "Cellphones? We don need no stinkin cell phones!"

575 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:22:28am

re: #571 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes we do, Governor Palin. I've been screaming it for the past week.

Has she been properly vetted? Y'know....like Obama was?

/Tougher in Alaska

576 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:23:30am

re: #563 redc1c4

Yea...just noticed the posting times...how does that saying go, time flys when your in a world of sheet? ...or something like that.

Morning red, Lol, granny, Fenway...all.

577 Panhandler  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:24:19am

re: #567 littleoldlady

That's weird.

What I know about Delaware:

1. It's where Pennsylvanians go to shop when we don't want to pay sales tax. (Also cheaper liquor.)

2. Winterthur is beautiful.

3. It's a nice state (small!) to drive through on the way to Florida.

It hs NO indigenous TV stations

578 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:24:58am

re: #569 Killian Bundy

So, what do you want to talk about?

/I'm convinced Russia has withdrawn as far as they're going to for now and it's not that far from the U.N. negotiated cease fire

my suggestions for counteractions against the russian acts are available to you through research. they address the issues you claim exist. reread them and then get back to me with specific instances where you can demonstrate the need for clarification or where events have overtaken the reality of the time when they were posted.

579 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:26:12am

re: #575 Fenway_Nation

Has she been properly vetted? Y'know....like Obama was?

/Tougher in Alaska

She's been vetted by 90% of Alaskans

580 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:27:29am

re: #573 littleoldlady

re: #576 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Morning!

By the way, I had an epiphany.....I think for the 2012 Olympics in London, I think I'll make it a point to be anywhere but London for the Games. I always thought it would be fairly interesting to watch a big international competition like the Olympics from a 'neutral' third country to see what events the local populace are following, etc.

581 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:27:44am

re: #567 littleoldlady

LoL - I sorta recall a song from my childhood :

What did Della ware boys / She wore a new jersey
something-or-other, something-or-other / and so did tenna see . . .

Ring any bells?

582 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:28:33am

re: #578 redc1c4

my suggestions for counteractions against the russian acts are available to you through research. they address the issues you claim exist. reread them and then get back to me with specific instances where you can demonstrate the need for clarification or where events have overtaken the reality of the time when they were posted.

Right.

/but they are moot now, no?

583 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:28:36am

re: #570 redc1c4

i'd have to say that the injunction filing is Troofer BS......

there are so many things to hammer Dumbass on, why is anyone looking in the fringes, when all the meat is right there?

I checked. There was indeed a filing. The guy who filed it is a Democrat - former deputy attorney general of PA. I know that Charles feels that the birth certificate issue is moot. However, I had a child overseas during about that same period and I am well aware of the laws that were in place at the time - and they STILL apply. When they changed the laws, there was no grandfather clause. I believe that Obama is at best a dual citizen - not a "natural born." Remember that one of his parents was not ever a US citizen, no matter where he was born. The birth certificate is not the paramount issue.

At any rate, the suit cannot just be ignored without a hearing.

584 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:30:28am

re: #572 Picayune

No meds tonight, Dude, just Yellow Tail Merlot.

(mercy snipage occurs)

/blockquote>

Dude! with all the good, yet inexpensive wine out there, why are you drinking that shit? don't you have a Trader Joe's near you?

/and Merlot? OMGWTFBBQ!

buy some Zinfandel, you'll feel much better.

585 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:31:40am

re: #572 Picayune

No meds tonight, Dude, just Yellow Tail Merlot.

Now go fact ck: Recreate68.com web site, Denver FD finds house of piss; kazoos for BHO if Hill is dissed by Obamatrons, Cal Sen. is no show, Gergan @ RCPolitics.com, etc.. It's al there. Just connecting the possible dots here.

I remember DEM '68 in CHI, it was ugly to the max. Recreate68 says it will do it all over again, force it's way into the hall, throw human feces, etc., but it may just be bluster. My son will film whatever happens.

I don't wish it on DEMS in Denver this year, but given the infective of some of the whacked out left this year on blogs (BDS is tame), their penchant for near suicide-by-cops routines, GITMO Mile Hign on the Platte rant, well, it is possible.

My grandmother, a conservative, was a state party chair to the DEM convention decades ago, and I hope they can now pull it off with more than a modicum of decorum - but these days, one never knows. For her sake, I hope they act appropriately.

It would not only make the Dems look horrid (who in their right mind would turn over the reigns to this country to a party that is in open riot), but it would hurt the image of the USA and democracy worldwide.

So, no, I don't advocate a "dire and dark scenario" for the Dems in Denver, yet when the disgruntled, dissed Hill fans meet the Obama "we are the ones who we have been waiting for" swill crowd - anything can and may happen, with a willing MSM looking for ratings, filming all. Who knows.

If BHO wins - send me the Meds! My Doc wife won't, but we will all need'um big time then! Hello Socialism, good bye Founding Fathers/Constitution! That clear it up?

I've got to tell you Picayune, I think if they really do pull the recreate 68 crap, they just might end the democratic party. In 69 riots were the norm. Not so today.

586 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:34:19am

re: #576 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Yea...just noticed the posting times...how does that saying go, time flys when your in a world of sheet? ...or something like that.

Morning red, Lol, granny, Fenway...all.

re: #579 Neo Con since 9-11

She's been vetted by 90% of Alaskans

You neglect to mention that Alaska has about the same population as Vermont.

587 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:34:56am

re: #581 Temujin

We musta been children at a different time. ;-)

Good grief! He IS a troofer!

588 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:35:27am

re: #583 galloping granny

I checked. There was indeed a filing. The guy who filed it is a Democrat - former deputy attorney general of PA. I know that Charles feels that the birth certificate issue is moot. However, I had a child overseas during about that same period and I am well aware of the laws that were in place at the time - and they STILL apply. When they changed the laws, there was no grandfather clause. I believe that Obama is at best a dual citizen - not a "natural born." Remember that one of his parents was not ever a US citizen, no matter where he was born. The birth certificate is not the paramount issue.

At any rate, the suit cannot just be ignored without a hearing.

ummmm..... his DOB is 1961, IIRC, and Hawaii became a state in 1959.

i'm not seeing an issue here, unless it's more fundamental than where/when, and no one has raised that, AFAIK.

589 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:35:37am

re: #586 galloping granny

You neglect to mention that Alaska has about the same population as Vermont.

Wait...wasn't Howard Dean he donks Messiah in 2004?

YAAAAAARGH!

590 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:36:12am

re: #587 littleoldlady

We musta been children at a different time. ;-)

Good grief! He IS a troofer!

Yup, that he is. :)

591 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:39:18am

re: #587 littleoldlady

It was a song by Perry Como. Titled Delaware. It's out there, you can Google it.

Music certainly has changed since then.

Change is good . . .

592 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:40:21am

So it's Biden, huh?

Like the CERN folks might have said in their video in the last thread, you gotta balance out the charm quarks, or else the universe will explode.

Good morning, LGF.

593 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:40:46am
It was a song by Perry Como

Is he still alive?
/was he ever? ;-)

594 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:41:56am

re: #588 redc1c4

ummmm..... his DOB is 1961, IIRC, and Hawaii became a state in 1959.

i'm not seeing an issue here, unless it's more fundamental than where/when, and no one has raised that, AFAIK.

Much more fundamental

At the time that Obama was born the rules went like this - you could not be a citizen of two countries at once. Children of two American parents were entitled to citizenship. If they were born in the US or in a US territory (John McCain) then there were full American citizens by birth and could hold the presidency.

If they were born to two US citizens overseas but not in a US territory - say Germany, like mine - then they were "naturalized by birth." Those people are not eligible for POTUS because they are naturalized citizens - complete with naturalization papers.

If a child was born to a couple where one parent was not a US citizen, then that child was a "dual citizen." Today dual citizens tend to hold passports from both countries. (That's why we had to go rescue all those "citizens" from Lebanon.) By law when Obama was born you could not be a dual citizen past the age of 18. Dual citizens do not qualify as "natural born."

595 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:41:56am

re: #593 littleoldlady

After inflicting that song on us, mebbe not . . .

596 Panhandler  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:42:40am

Well, well, will miracles never cease:
Annenberg Papers to be released
After having been thououghly vetted by Mayor Daley of course.

597 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:44:11am

re: #594 galloping granny

Much more fundamental

At the time that Obama was born the rules went like this - you could not be a citizen of two countries at once. Children of two American parents were entitled to citizenship. If they were born in the US or in a US territory (John McCain) then there were full American citizens by birth and could hold the presidency.

If they were born to two US citizens overseas but not in a US territory - say Germany, like mine - then they were "naturalized by birth."* Those people are not eligible for POTUS because they are naturalized citizens - complete with naturalization papers.

If a child was born to a couple where one parent was not a US citizen, then that child was a "dual citizen." Today dual citizens tend to hold passports from both countries. (That's why we had to go rescue all those "citizens" from Lebanon.) By law when Obama was born you could not be a dual citizen past the age of 18. Dual citizens do not qualify as "natural born."



*Note -
this applies only if the child was born in a US facility overseas. Had my child been born in a German hospital rather than a military hospital she would have been a dual citizen.

598 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:45:26am

re: #596 Panhandler

Well, well, will miracles never cease:
Annenberg Papers to be released
After having been thououghly vetted by Mayor Daley of course.

By sheer luck, the library that holds the papers had already produced a catalog and made copies available to researchers. Daley can't go removing things now. That would really make the poo hit the fan.

599 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:46:26am

Sean Hannity is having a orgasm.

/kepp your powder dry, if it isn't spoiled by flying sperm already

600 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:46:34am

re: #586 galloping granny

re: #579 Neo Con since 9-11

She's been vetted by 90% of Alaskans

You neglect to mention that Alaska has about the same population as Vermont.


Alaska is going for McCain no matter who his Veep pick is. If she can help win Alaska is irrelevant. Sarah Palin is a solid conservative who can bring in the majority of the female vote. Most women I know are pissed about the Democrats treatment of Hillary. If Palin brings in XX demographic this years election will make the 1980 election seem like a Democratic landslide

601 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:48:26am

re: #566 Fenway_Nation

How are those 'Recreate 68' preperations coming along, I wonder?

The Biden selection gives them new hope; that is, the "betrayal" gives them a new excuse to riot. They might even be right.

602 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:49:02am

Take this!

/because I care

603 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:49:41am

re: #594 galloping granny

i stand corrected.

/research

604 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:49:45am

re: #600 Neo Con since 9-11

Alaska is going for McCain no matter who his Veep pick is. If she can help win Alaska is irrelevant. Sarah Palin is a solid conservative who can bring in the majority of the female vote. Most women I know are pissed about the Democrats treatment of Hillary. If Palin brings in XX demographic this years election will make the 1980 election seem like a Democratic landslide

That is true. Even independent and Republican women who cannot stand Hillary (like all the women in my family) are truly pissed about the way she has been robbed. I would have loved to see her lose fair and square on the merits.

605 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:51:08am

I think I'll go back to bed for a bit.

606 Panhandler  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:51:34am

National Enquirer has found the reason for the delay in text notification of those Obama subscribers.
Operator Error

607 Red Cloud  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:52:22am

re: #571 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes we do, Governor Palin. I've been screaming it for the past week.

Now, more than ever. Palin FTW. Watch those undecided Hillary-ites who supported her solely for what's between her legs flock to McCain.

Hey, if Baracko wants to play that identity politics game, why not beat him at his own game?

608 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:54:09am

re: #604 galloping granny

Even my most moonbatish aunts and sisters are pissed at Obama. Chosing Sarah Palin brings them all over to the McCain side. Hence a ten point win.

609 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:59:39am

Last Train to Clarksville

/what would have happened if they would have been allowed to be real musicians?

610 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 2:59:45am

I agree with all of you pro-Palinites.

/now...somebody go tell the McCain campaign - PLEASE?

611 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:04:38am

re: #608 Neo Con since 9-11

Even my most moonbatish aunts and sisters are pissed at Obama. Chosing Sarah Palin brings them all over to the McCain side. Hence a ten point win.

/and Romney does what?

612 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:05:38am

re: #137 Wendya

So it's Biden, huh?

My thoughts exactly. And announced at 2:00 AM Eastern?

*chortling*

(Image of text message courtesy of the Puffington Host.)

613 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:07:36am

re: #593 littleoldlady

Is he still alive?
/was he ever? ;-)

as opposed to Bobby Sherman?

614 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:08:03am

re: #611 Killian Bundy

/and Romney does what?

Romney delivers the tiny minority of mormons in America who would have likely voted Republican anyway.

615 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:09:00am

My apologize, Mormon not mormon

616 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:09:11am

re: #612 Dar ul Harb

My thoughts exactly. And announced at 2:00 AM Eastern?

*chortling*

(Image of text message courtesy of the Puffington Host.)

they got a really good deal on air time that way......

/

617 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:09:30am

re: #613 redc1c4

I feel the sudden urge to run out and buy bubblegum...

618 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:10:54am

re: #610 littleoldlady

I agree with all of you pro-Palinites.

/now...somebody go tell the McCain campaign - PLEASE?

re: #614 Neo Con since 9-11

Romney delivers the tiny minority of mormons in America who would have likely voted Republican anyway.

/as opposed to Lieberman?

619 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:13:00am

re: #447 Price_of_Peace

Just heard the Dem Talking Heads referring to Biden bringing "Gravitas" back to the party. That phrase didn't stand up the last time they used it. Why try again?

Shortly after it became official, there was a thread opened at DU claiming that was going to be the talking point for tomorrow.

They're pretty fast at getting the word out to the nutroots.

620 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:16:54am

re: #618 Killian Bundy


re: #614 Neo Con since 9-11
Romney delivers the tiny minority of mormons in America who would have likely voted Republican anyway.

/

as opposed to Lieberman?


Romney delivers the tiny minority of mormons in America who would have likely voted Republican anyway.
I've never said McCain/Lieberman as my choice. I've spent the last week saying McCain/Palin is the best choice

621 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:16:58am

Good day, ALL!™

622 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:20:57am

re: #617 littleoldlady

I feel the sudden urge to run out and buy bubblegum...

back when we were young and had a future......

/and TV shows were upbeat too! %-)

623 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:21:48am

I am a Democrat who would love to see a black president in my lifetime who would vote for McCain/Palin.

McCain could look into the cameras in a debate and say:

Both tickets have on them one senior legislator with foreign policy knowlegde and one bright, energetic, up-and-comer who represents the greatness of America's fairness and diversity.

Now, which side do you honestly thing has the right person on the right half of the ticket?

624 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:23:23am

re: #620 Neo Con since 9-11

Romney delivers the tiny minority of mormons in America who would have likely voted Republican anyway.
I've never said McCain/Lieberman as my choice. I've spent the last week saying McCain/Palin is the best choice

so "Thompson/Someone else with a clue" never occurred to you?

/just curious. %-)

625 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:26:07am

re: #624 redc1c4

so "Thompson/Someone else with a clue" never occurred to you?

/just curious. %-)

I would have been very happy with Thompson. Not my first choice but I would have been enthusiastic about him.

626 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:26:47am

re: #623 tokyobk

I am a Democrat who would love to see a black president in my lifetime who would vote for McCain/Palin.

McCain could look into the cameras in a debate and say:

Both tickets have on them one senior legislator with foreign policy knowlegde and one bright, energetic, up-and-comer who represents the greatness of America's fairness and diversity.

Now, which side do you honestly thing has the right person on the right half of the ticket?

i voted for a black man in 2000..... what were you waiting for?

/unimpressed

627 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:29:34am

re: #612 Dar ul Harb

Yeah but 2 AM eastern is, like, 7 AM in Europe & Barry is so big in Germany,
AUCHTUNG !

Barry is gonna ZERSCHLAGEN der Opprsition, Nein?

628 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:32:41am

Snore, snore snore

Snore some more

629 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:33:46am

re: #626 redc1c4

i voted for a black man in 2000..... what were you waiting for?

/unimpressed

Was and still am a democrat. Too young to have voted for Shirley Chisholm or Jesse Jackson or Reverend "Kentucky Fried Cruelty" Sharpton in primaries. So, have not have had my chance but I hope I do with the right guy or gal someday.

630 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:37:26am

re: #629 tokyobk

Check out the history of the Democratic Party during and before the Civil War & see if you don't change to Independent. I went Democratic (in college, and naive) then Green (but they were idiots) and now Independent.

631 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:42:24am

re: #629 tokyobk

Just curious how do you feel about Allen Keyes or JC Watts?

632 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:42:27am

re: #630 Ojoe

Check out the history of the Democratic Party during and before the Civil War & see if you don't change to Independent. I went Democratic (in college, and naive) then Green (but they were idiots) and now Independent.

I hear you. Of course, my black family were all Republicans until 1980. I have had that argument here and don't want to have it again now, but Reagan was the Great Communicator except to one group; black Republicans, whom he never addressed directly, and whom he lost as he took in working class whites from the Democrats.

633 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:43:04am

re: #631 Neo Con since 9-11

Just curious how do you feel about Allen Keyes or JC Watts?

I think Keyes is a nut and I loke JC Watts very much.

634 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:44:49am

re: #629 tokyobk

Was and still am a democrat. Too young to have voted for Shirley Chisholm or Jesse Jackson or Reverend "Kentucky Fried Cruelty" Sharpton in primaries. So, have not have had my chance but I hope I do with the right guy or gal someday.

let me rephrase that for the cheap seats:

"i voted for a black man to be President of the United States in 2000. who did you vote for?"

also, and more telling, why do you vote "party" rather than "actions"?
claiming a 'party' means nothing. "actions" can't be denied. to quote those brave gentleman from the UK: "Deeds, not words."

try standing for something, regardless, just once.

635 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:45:07am

Obama Biden

anagrams out to

"An Idea Bomb"

636 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:46:27am

re: #634 redc1c4

let me rephrase that for the cheap seats:

"i voted for a black man to be President of the United States in 2000. who did you vote for?"

also, and more telling, why do you vote "party" rather than "actions"?
claiming a 'party' means nothing. "actions" can't be denied. to quote those brave gentleman from the UK: "Deeds, not words."

try standing for something, regardless, just once.

I voted for Al Gore.

I will probably cross lines and vote for McCain this time.

637 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:46:38am

re: #541 restitutor orbis

So Biden is it, huh?

Seems to be a lot of that going around.

638 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:49:08am

re: #633 tokyobk

Thank you, I normally find your comments here very informative especially when dealing with Barack and race

639 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:50:08am

re: #632 tokyobk

The working class whites pushed out the black Republicans? Or Reagan did?
This I did not know.

640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:52:04am

Good overnight open thread quote:

"You cannot go to a Seven Eleven or Dunkin' Doughnuts unless you have an Indian accident."

This'll be a very interesting election.

641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:54:11am

re: #633 tokyobk

Was there any truth to the rumor that JC Watts was going to support Barack?

642 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:54:24am

BBL, snore more.

643 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 3:59:22am

re: #638 Neo Con since 9-11

Thank you, I normally find your comments here very informative especially when dealing with Barack and race

Thanks.

redc1c4, I have this crazy idea that one day it will be safe to be liberal again. And Democrat.

Hope not to bore you but there is this hat store in New Haven, Delmonicos. Its left over from the days when Jews and Italians made livings from dressing WASP's like George Bush. Once I went in their to get a hat and I said very naively to the man behind the counter, "I sure am glad hats are back." As if he had already said it 1,000 times he said to me without looking up, "the hats are not back, they never went away the people are back."

I consider myself liberal (with a big 'L') and democrat, but I think 90% of people in my party and who would call themself liberal are moonbatty nuts of the first order. But that may change and I don't see any reason to leave my party. I can still vote in general elections as I wish.

.

644 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:04:42am

re: #639 Ojoe

The working class whites pushed out the black Republicans? Or Reagan did?
This I did not know.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian (yours is my favorite nic in all Lizardom)
Not sure. Don't think he could. But I understand the racial appeal of Obama. I have confessed to suffering a mild but not debilitating case.

Reagan attacked the great society on economic grounds, fair enough. Many blaks felt he was also after Civil Rights too. Right or wrong, he never addressed this. This was how my great uncle percieved it having been an organizer of the black vote on behalf of the Illinois Republican party his whole life (he was born before WWI). The first time in his life he did not vote Republican was 1980.

645 Obama/Olbermann 08  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:06:32am

So the Blackberry about vibrates off the nightstand here in the convention hotel in Denver after I'd already dozed off watching CNN, and it says Barack has picked Biden to be V.P.

I'm thinking, shit, this has got to be a bad dream, so I roll over, turn off the TV, and go back to bed. Then in the blurry afterimage of the screen inside my eyelids, I think I see the name BIDEN in the crawl at the bottom of the screen.

Oh, that JOE BIDEN. The name that just exudes Change. And its like midnight here. This is what we've been waiting for?

Keith was robbed. I mean, how unhip can you get? Joe "I am the first Biden in my family ever to be nominated for V.P."? "Clean and articulate" Joe?

I'm pissed. I couldn't go back to sleep. So here I am, and you're already laughing about it.

Barack already was having some problems, and now he's celebrating his impending victory with the old exploding cigar.

646 NogenDavid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:06:50am

Biden?

Maybe the codger beats the dodger after all.

At the risk of enormous abuse, I must say I rather admire Biden. Intelligent, experienced, and contrary to at least one posting here, a friend of Israel who understands the Iranian threat.

But don't see how it helps Obama to reinforce his candidacy as a 24 hour talk station, especially since his logorrheic running mate has proven he can't win votes at the national level and has had plenty of damaging things to say about Obama's inexperience.

Voters might in the end see this as Worthy versus Wordy.

Tough choice for McCain, though, Romney v Palin.
The latter weakens his argument that Obama is not ready for the presidency. But Palin would help to build the McCain brand as bold and innovative, rather than Bush third term, plus appeals to those interested in identity politics.

647 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:11:22am

re: #646 NogenDavid

blockquote>

Palin as VP makes the case that talent needs nurturing. It says, yes we Republicans believe in change and that America provides the most opportunity for the most kinds of people, but we will not put symbols over substance at the risk of our place in the world and our situation at home.

648 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:12:48am

Good morning, Lizards.

649 mensamann  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:14:34am

My wife just told me that it is the " O and Joe Show"! She is sooo funny!

650 Obama/Olbermann 08  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:15:22am

It's all about the "O," all right ...as in O NO!

651 WrathofG-d  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:16:30am

Joe Biden is just a typical white guy!

652 guzziguy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:18:04am

The O-B ticket?.......pregnant pause......

Obama / Biden

An empty suit supported by a suitcase full of stolen ideas, speeches, and inflated academic records. That's the ticket.

653 Obama/Olbermann 08  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:18:16am

Word to Jobama.

654 Panhandler  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:18:53am

re: #648 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.


Good morning Goddess, one of yours?

655 Obama/Olbermann 08  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:19:13am

re: #651 WrathofG-d

Joe Biden is just a typical token white guy!

Fixed that for you.

656 Obama/Olbermann 08  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:21:16am

"Did you hear the news from Denver? They just captured Obama and Biden!"

657 WrathofG-d  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:23:01am

Truth is, I know nothing about Joe Biden. I'm sure that will be quickly chnaged once LGF wakes up.

658 Obama/Olbermann 08  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:23:50am

We're just doomed.

659 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:24:40am

re: #654 Panhandler

Good morning Goddess, one of yours?

OMG, I'm printing that and posting it in my classroom!

I'm SO excited to start Monday. This morning Staples has special Teacher Appreciation goodies, starting at 9 AM.

660 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:25:25am

re: #657 WrathofG-d

Truth is, I know nothing about Joe Biden. I'm sure that will be quickly chnaged once LGF wakes up.

Just look upthread. It's all been covered by the overnight shift.

661 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:27:18am

Good Morning!

So Barry picked the Chia Pet, huh?

As Flounder said in Animal House "Oh boy, this is great!"


Joseph Biden's Plagiarism

662 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:29:27am

Does anyone know the law in Delaware with regards to running for Senate while at the same time running for VP? I think Biden is up for re-election this year.

663 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:30:06am

re: #661 loppyd

Good Morning!

So Barry picked the Chia Pet, huh?

As Flounder said in Animal House "Oh boy, this is great!"


Joseph Biden's Plagiarism

HAHAHAHAHAHAH (wheeze, graB side) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!

664 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:31:13am

re: #661 loppyd I'm looking for a video of Biden's plagiarism. The Dukakis ad is sure to get posted soon if it isn't already up somewhere.
So, Barry, so much for change?

665 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:31:19am

re: #658 Obama/Olbermann 08

We're just doomed.

Yes ...yes you are. And the fact that Biden was the only one who would sign on, and that the announcement was made in the middle of the night says y'all know that too.

Clean and Jerk '08!

666 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:34:00am

re: #664 Jim in Virginia

I'm looking for a video of Biden's plagiarism. The Dukakis ad is sure to get posted soon if it isn't already up somewhere.
So, Barry, so much for change?


Saw a bumper sticker the other day:

NOBAMA
KEEP THE CHANGE

Love it!

667 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:34:33am

The good news is, at least Team Obama figured out they need someone they can claim has serious foreign policy experience.
The better news is that Democrat feminists are now seriously PO'd at Barry.

668 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:37:46am

re: #663 goddessoftheclassroom

HAHAHAHAHAHAH (wheeze, graB side) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!

I need someone with PhotoShop to help me out with this....

Can't you picture it?

But which Chia Pet would he be?

669 guzziguy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:37:57am

Do you think Biden can stay away from plagiarism this time or will bHo have to give a that's not the Joe I know talk?

670 jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:38:12am

Good morning lizards! Excellent news this morning, Obama gaffs again w/ Biden VP pick!

671 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:39:53am

re: #669 guzziguy

Do you think Biden can stay away from plagiarism this time or will bHo have to give a that's not the Joe I know talk?

Ooooh that would be nice, having to through his VP nod under the bus, AFTER Denver.

/*evil maniacal laugh*

672 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:40:41am

re: #667 Jim in Virginia

The good news is, at least Team Obama figured out they need someone they can claim has serious foreign policy experience.
The better news is that Democrat feminists are now seriously PO'd at Barry.

In picking Biden, Barry is conceding his lack of experience. I just heard that McCain already has an ad out highlighting Biden's own statements re. Barry's lack of experience.

673 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:40:41am

re: #671 BlueCanuck

GAAAH, still waking up through == throw.

/at least it was spelled right.

674 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:40:55am

re: #668 loppyd

But which Chia Pet would he be?

Sadly, I don't see Chia Comb-over.

675 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:45:28am

BIDEN URGED KERRY TO PICK McCAIN AS VP IN '04

(it's up on Kos, but I'm only linking to their MSNBC link)

McCain urged to join Kerry ticket
Biden says a joint ticket would help heal ‘vicious rift’ dividing U.S.

“I’m sticking with McCain,” Biden said.

“I think John McCain would be a great candidate for vice president,” Biden, from Delaware, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” where the two senators appeared together to take questions on Iraq and other subjects.

“Do I think it’s going to happen? No,” he said. “But I think it is a reflection of the desire of this country and the desire of people in both parties to want to see this God-awful, vicious rift that exists in the nation healed, and John and John could go a long way to heal in that rift.”

676 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:45:34am

So, who else got the 3am text message announcing Obama picked Biden?

Stand up... you know who you are.... you're more capable of picking up the phone and handling a foreign policy matter than Obama.

And his running mate.

Joe Biden.

Joe Biden?!

Mark Levin calls him the dumbest man in the Senate. For good reason. He thinks of himself as an intellectual, but he can't get out of his own way. He tries to sound all lawyerly during judicial confirmations, but was taken to school by John Roberts who put him in his place.

Joe Biden?!

The same guy who thought Obama was inexperienced.
The same guy who thought that Obama was clean and articulate.

Yes, that's quite the winning ticket you have there Obama.

This was a fiasco from the start - mismanaged the rollout and operational control over the release. Instead, you bury it in the middle of the night.

677 canadianconservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:45:46am

On the choice of Biden...

Rush Limbaugh got his wish and he'll have a field day. The fact that HRC was not even vetted was the ultimate insult to the PUMAs and with his already precarious problem with women (most of whom like real men, and not metrosexuals), where he only has a 2% lead, when normally Dems lead with women by double digits, Obambi is toast.

As for the GOP, the Veep selection I am far more interested in, I would be very happy with Romney, but if McCain goes with THIS person as running mate, I believe we will see a national landslide for the GOP.

678 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:46:56am

re: #672 loppyd

In picking Biden, Barry is conceding his lack of experience. I just heard that McCain already has an ad out highlighting Biden's own statements re. Barry's lack of experience.

good. I was hoping they had one ready to go.

679 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:48:16am

male Lizards beware!

from a Kos Kid:

Did I say I wouldn't vote for the bastards? (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:fnb
No, I didn't, because I will in fact vote for them.

But the enthusiasm just ain't there. Not unless I get to kick some Republicans in the balls on the way to the polls.

680 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:49:07am

re: #678 galloping granny

How could they not. That one was in the can months ago. Any opposition researcher worth it would bank all those kinds of statements and have them ready.

You can throw that in with the clean and articulate - who is naive and inexperienced.

Who said it? Joe Biden.

Those ads practically write themselves.

681 Macker  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:53:56am

re: #661 loppyd

Good Morning!

So Barry picked the Shit Shit Shit Chia Pet, huh?

As Flounder said in Animal House "Oh boy, this is great!"


Joseph Biden's Plagiarism

There, fixed that for ya! And Good Morning Lizards! Baron Kinnock, MBNA, and Countrywide are waking up happy campers this morning eh.

682 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:55:07am

re: #676 lawhawk

. . . This was a fiasco from the start - mismanaged the rollout and operational control over the release. Instead, you bury it in the middle of the night.

Enjoyed your analysis. Ed Morrissey at HotAir had a similar take: Maybe Nobody Wanted the Gig?

My favorite part of the HotAir piece:

As a campaign strategy, it resembled late-night advertising for dating services. It hardly lent any dignity to the Obama campaign, and made this critical decision into a cheap marketing strategy.

683 Macker  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:55:25am

re: #668 loppyd

I need someone with PhotoShop to help me out with this....

Can't you picture it?

But which Chia Pet would he be?

Color it brown and you've got it: Shit Shit Shit Chia!

684 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:55:45am

re: #680 lawhawk

How could they not. That one was in the can months ago. Any opposition researcher worth it would bank all those kinds of statements and have them ready.

You can throw that in with the clean and articulate - who is naive and inexperienced.

Who said it? Joe Biden.

Those ads practically write themselves.

Yes, Joe said that. Fox just played that one. Biden went on to say that the presidency was not the place that you wanted someone who needed on the job training.

I've got to tell you, I wish I knew how to make videos, LOL.

685 Macker  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:57:32am

re: #684 galloping granny

Yeah. I'd like to pair Monkey vs. Robot with Battlestar Galactica.

686 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:58:01am

Biden also failed a class for plagiarism.

Despite his mediocre academic performance — Biden flunked two other courses [in addition to the course in which he originally was given an F for plagiarism, but was allowed to retake, upon which he received a B,] and graduated 76th out of the 85 students — he vehemently insisted that "I am a good lawyer," challenging doubters to watch his leadership of the Bork hearings.

687 Truck Monkey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:58:28am

It sure is funny watching the lamestream media try to put lipstick on the Obamessiahs pig. Senator Hairplug is the only guy the Obamessiah could pick who can outgaffe him. I am starting to smell a landslide. Barry is toast. The Obamessiahs fall will be Dukakisian.

688 Geepers  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:58:36am

lawhawk (#676),

Morning lawhawk.

Your comments are spot on all the way around.

This was a fiasco from the start - mismanaged the rollout and operational control over the release. Instead, you bury it in the middle of the night.

And on a Friday no less. This wasn't a "roll out" it was a dribble out.

689 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:58:43am

re: #680 lawhawk

The clip of Joe making the comment about OJT in front of Obama at a debate is here -

Might also be where that chin in the air, ugly look pic came from - Obama is in it too. Sure would make one heck of an ad.

690 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 4:59:38am

Biden has been in the Senate longer than McCain - since Biden was 29. How exactly is Obama doing the hope and change from the way things are usually done in DC by going with the consummate insider?

He didn't go with the governors on the supposed short list like Seilibus or Richardson - and Richardson at least has real foreign policy experience (agree or disagree, he at least has it). And he snubbed Hillary. To go with Biden.

McCain will have a field day with this.

691 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:00:19am

re: #689 galloping granny

I already posted it in the spinoffs and added it to my post. :)

692 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:01:10am

re: #686 loppyd

Biden also failed a class for plagiarism.

So you are saying that Joe Biden has proven himself to be a dishonest liar without honor repeatedly? And that his word is not one worth even the paper it is written on?

693 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:01:37am

re: #691 lawhawk

I already posted it in the spinoffs and added it to my post. :)

Cool :)

694 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:02:02am

I still think that Barry had made a 99.9% decision on his pick prior to those polls coming out earlier this week - and it wasn't Biden.

3:00 a.m. on a Friday night/Sat morning is when people leave town or drop really, really bad news. Not make a major announcment that you're proud of.

695 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:02:07am

I was really hoping he'd pick Kucinich.

696 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:03:00am

re: #688 Geepers

I had mentioned that yesterday - the fact that Obama was looking at a Friday roll out falls into the Friday night news dump category.

It remains undeniably true that whoever Obama would have picked, unless they were more obscure and unknown than Obama, would have had more experience than Obama and would raise questions as to why that person wasn't at the head of the ticket.

Well, we have one reason why Biden isn't at the top of the ticket. No one wanted him to be President.

697 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:04:09am

re: #689 galloping granny

"...I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience."
--Ronald Reagan, October 28, 1984

So what if John McCain decides to re-use that line... who's going to complain?

Biden?

698 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:05:56am

re: #690 lawhawk

Biden has been in the Senate longer than McCain - since Biden was 29. How exactly is Obama doing the hope and change from the way things are usually done in DC by going with the consummate insider?

He didn't go with the governors on the supposed short list like Seilibus or Richardson - and Richardson at least has real foreign policy experience (agree or disagree, he at least has it). And he snubbed Hillary. To go with Biden.

McCain will have a field day with this.

I wrote yesterday here - long before any of the pundits like Ed Morrisey who are now saying this - that I think this took so long and was so messed up because he had people turn him down. Think about it - if you were an up and coming young pol, wanting to move onto the national stage, would you want to be Obama's VP candidate? I sure wouldn't. He outspent Hillary 10:1 and still lost the last 6 or 8 states, some of them states he would have to carry to win the White House. Last month he spent more on just one ad that John McCain spent on his entire campaign - and is on a downhill slide. Statistically tied and can't seem to do anything about it.

They just showed McCain's ad on Fox. I'll see if it is in my inbox.

699 canadianconservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:06:30am

re: #687 Truck Monkey

The Obamessiahs fall will be Dukakisian.

Dukasian? I would hope it would more Mondalian or McGovernesque.....

The best way for McCain to ensure that would be to pick of the PUMAs and pickSarah Barracuda as his running mate!

700 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:06:36am

Just saw the new McCain ad - Biden in his own words.

Good stuff.

If McCain picks Romney the Barry camp will do the same thing....

701 Geepers  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:06:55am

Truck Monkey (#687),

I am starting to smell a landslide.

Yes. And as that starts to become apparent watch for these two colossal egos to begin to collide. Couple that with the MSM trying to cover for their boys and it should be good fun.

702 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:07:16am

re: #687 Truck Monkey

McCain has to run a competent campaign and hit hard on the issues - you can't let up because that hope and change madness will get nearly 50% of the vote all on its own.

Obama will do anything to try and link McCain to Bush and call him racist.

Everything under the sun will be attacked. This is no walk in the park, and while I think landslide would be a possible outcome, Obama has more important things to worry about - securing the nomination at the Convention.

This may give Hillary the opening she needs. She can get up when it's her time to speak to declare not that she's backing Obama, but that she agrees with Biden - Obama is inexperienced and she makes her case to the Supers to take the nomination from Obama - chaos.

Obama's people have to do everything imaginable to keep that from happening...

703 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:07:44am

The McCain Biden ad is right on the front page here - [Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

704 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:08:44am

Imagining the debate now...

"My friends, I hope age will not be an issue in this campaign. And, as the great Ronald Reagan once said, I'm not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience."

705 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:09:22am

re: #703 galloping granny

Thanks, granny.

706 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:10:25am

re: #700 loppyd

I don't think he'll pick Romney....or Huckabee.

707 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:11:28am

Sweet. Obama really doesn't want to win, nice.

708 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:11:29am

re: #706 BignJames

I don't think he'll pick Romney....or Huckabee.

If he wants to win he won't pick Huckabee.

709 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:12:12am

re: #703 galloping granny

Now, that's called getting inside the opponent's decision loop.

Having the ad ready even before most people have woken up to hear the news...

710 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:12:44am

re: #702 lawhawk

McCain has to run a competent campaign and hit hard on the issues - you can't let up because that hope and change madness will get nearly 50% of the vote all on its own.

Obama will do anything to try and link McCain to Bush and call him racist.

Everything under the sun will be attacked. This is no walk in the park, and while I think landslide would be a possible outcome, Obama has more important things to worry about - securing the nomination at the Convention.

This may give Hillary the opening she needs. She can get up when it's her time to speak to declare not that she's backing Obama, but that she agrees with Biden - Obama is inexperienced and she makes her case to the Supers to take the nomination from Obama - chaos.

Obama's people have to do everything imaginable to keep that from happening...

Obama has a couple of problems that are going to help lose this for him. He is completely incapable of laughing at much of anything - especially himself. And he is even more incapable of letting stuff roll off his back. He simply must "fight the smears" and has no ability to distinguish between noise and a true attack. Thus, he drops everything to "defend" himself against every little rumour and as a result looks like a petulant, whiney baby having a tantrum. Not at all what you want in a President.

And he is giving us a prime example of just how he would handle things as president.

711 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:14:27am

re: #703 galloping granny

The McCain Biden ad is right on the front page here - [Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

Wow! That is one great ad!

712 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:14:44am

re: #706 BignJames

I don't think he'll pick Romney....or Huckabee.

I'm beginning to think Alaska governor Sarah Palin would be a brilliant choice. McCain will lose an opportunity by going with a more conventional choice, now that Obama's Change is tied to Biden.

713 Geepers  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:15:16am

galloping granny (#703),

The McCain Biden ad is right on the front page here - [Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

And dontcha just love Biden's response: "I think that I stand by the statement."

Joe Biden: "Decisive leadership."

714 canadianconservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:15:22am

First choice: Sarah Palin

Second Choice: Willard mitt Romney


Third choice: Rick Santorum or Sam Brownback

I would be really pleased with any of the above.

I may be a canadian, but some of us realize hat when the US sneezes Canada catches a cold.
Trouble is, electing Obambi would be a case of the US contracting full-blown AIDS!

715 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:16:05am

re: #700 loppyd

Just saw the new McCain ad - Biden in his own words.

Good stuff.

If McCain picks Romney the Barry camp will do the same thing....

I don't think he is going to pick Romney. I'm sure he is considering more than Romney, Liebermann and the governor of AK, just don't really have a clue who else might be on the list as all the attention surround the VP other than those three has been going to Obama's potential picks.

716 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:17:05am

re: #714 canadianconservative

Nope, not that at all. More like a full blown case of the bubonic plague.

717 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:17:50am

re: #712 Dar ul Harb

I'm beginning to think Alaska governor Sarah Palin would be a brilliant choice. McCain will lose an opportunity by going with a more conventional choice, now that Obama's Change is tied to Biden.

Maybe - but then again maybe not. One thing he needs to do is to bring in large numbers of Hillary supporters. Putting some other woman in a place that Hillary supporters have been viewing as Hillary's rightful place would not be a good way to do that.

718 canadianconservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:18:36am

re: #716 BlueCanuck

Nope, not that at all. More like a full blown case of the bubonic plague.


Or Necrotizing Fasciitis, aka flesh eating disease!

The fascist will Necrotize us!

719 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:18:59am

I realize I am getting older.

I actually remember Biden running for President, and subsequently having to drop out.

Actually working in Delaware that day.

720 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:19:39am

re: #712 Dar ul Harb

I'm beginning to think Alaska governor Sarah Palin would be a brilliant choice. McCain will lose an opportunity by going with a more conventional choice, now that Obama's Change is tied to Biden.

I am leaning her way as well. McCain brings her on board, every shrieking disaffected Hillary supporter will swing (R) out of sheer animus. The move for Biden to be Vice Savior is one of the dumbest political moves I have ever seen.

721 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:19:57am

re: #712 Dar ul Harb

I'm beginning to think Alaska governor Sarah Palin would be a brilliant choice. McCain will lose an opportunity by going with a more conventional choice, now that Obama's Change is tied to Biden.

I agree, but would she want the job with her family responsibilities? Would it be worth it to her to give up the governorship?

722 canadianconservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:21:24am

re: #719 formercorpsman

I realize I am getting older.

I actually remember Biden running for President, and subsequently having to drop out.

Actually working in Delaware that day.


I wa in college, and my Polisci-teacher was devastated... It was the Kinnock plagiarism....

Neil Kinnock for those who don't remember was the death rattle of the Scagill/Loony Left of british Labour, before some measure of sanity took hold with Tony Blair. I like Blair, but not labour

723 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:22:10am

I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out how it is that Biden is supposed to represent "change" . . .

724 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:22:13am

I was just reading a spin-off link from above.

In the comments section after the article, there quite a few self-described "Democrats" posting.

One defined the Hillary supporters as "she-wolves" which is perfect.

I think we are about to get our money's worth this campaign.

Grumpy, I think you just might be right about Denver.

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy....

725 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:22:20am

I can't wait till the left calls Obama's Biden pick a Karl Rove trick.

726 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:23:23am

re: #723 StinkHammer

Probably along the lines of screw loose change.

/ok not my best, may need alcohol or sleep.

727 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:23:47am

Biden in 2007 re. The Surge:


"This is a cycle of self-sustaining sectarian violence that 20,000, 30,000, 50,000, 100,000 Americans will not be able to stop."

"Our objective is to leave Iraq relatively stable within its own borders...."

"What does the president and my friend from Arizona keep insisting on?
What can never be. A central government that is a democracy that is going to be fair to the rest of its citizens. It is not possible. Mark my words."

Someone send this to the McCain camp!

728 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:24:29am

Obama / Biden '08?

Rove, you magnificent . . . well, you know.

729 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:25:16am

Alaska's a large state territorially, but small in terms of population, or electorally. But Gov. Palin can certainly talk with authority about the big energy issue in the campaign, and she's got more executive experience than any of the other all-Senate candidates on either end of both tickets. Plus she's got the identity politics factor, and is a conservative, and yet for the G.O.P., picking her would be a strong signal of Change.

The only thing she wouldn't bring is a big electoral vote state, but I think the choice would more than make up for that with the appeal to some of those women who are disaffected Hillary voters or otherwise identity politics driven.

730 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:25:17am

re: #720 Oh no...Sand People!

I am leaning her way as well. McCain brings her on board, every shrieking disaffected Hillary supporter will swing (R) out of sheer animus. The move for Biden to be Vice Savior is one of the dumbest political moves I have ever seen.

I think you are very wrong about that. Hillary's supporters were devastated when the Dems shoved her out of the way and put Obama in her place. They are even more upset that he did not even vet her for VP. They have been counting on Hillary becoming the first woman president.

If John puts the female governor of AK in as VP, then she will get to be the first female VP and will have a huge, maybe insurmountable, leg up 4 or 8 years down the road for a POTUS run of her own.

I think they would view this as yet one more "betrayal" of Hillary. Might even be enough to make them vote dem instead of McCain.

731 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:25:29am

re: #722 canadianconservative

I was doing electric, and was coming back from lunch with boss.

We were pulling up to the job site in his van, he stopped, I thought there was something wrong, he turned up the radio, and he was mad as well.

He was saying something to the effect of "No Joe. I was going to vote for you."

Just interesting it is all making a full circle.

732 Dasher  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:25:55am

Biden is a loose cannon. Should be plenty of Cannon Fodder on him. He is a 'stupid quote machine'. Let the games begin!

733 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:25:59am

From Jonah Goldberg over at NRO:

Yes, Biden could conceivably be effective as an attack dog. But Biden is such a gasbag he makes the Hindenburg look like a sack of rocks.

734 Macker  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:27:18am

re: #732 Dasher

Biden is a loose cannon. Should be plenty of Cannon Fodder on him. He is a 'stupid quote machine'. Let the games begin!

The Demo☭rats' version of Dan Quayle?

735 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:27:49am

Via Hot Air:

AP: Biden choice demonstrates lack of confidence

In picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate, Barack Obama sought to shore up his weakness — inexperience in office and on foreign policy — rather than underscore his strength as a new-generation candidate defying political conventions.

He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate — the ultimate insider — rather than a candidate from outside Washington, such as Govs. Tim Kaine of Virginia or Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas; or from outside his party, such as Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska; or from outside the mostly white male club of vice presidential candidates. Hillary Rodham Clinton didn’t even make his short list.

The picks say something profound about Obama: For all his self-confidence, the 47-year-old Illinois senator worried that he couldn’t beat Republican John McCain without help from a seasoned politician willing to attack. The Biden pick is the next logistical step in an Obama campaign that has become more negative — a strategic decision that may be necessary but threatens to run counter to his image.

736 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:27:57am

re: #727 loppyd

Biden also called for breaking Iraq up into sectarian regions - a recipe for civil war.

Going back to Biden's greatest hits, who can forget this one on Indian-Americans.

737 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:28:20am

Mme. Iulius is a member of the MSM and was going to vote for Barry as her default setting, but said that if he chose Biden, she wouldn't be voting at all. She's had to cover Biden for 20 years and knows what she's talking about. I just woke her up and gave her the good news. Won't affect the electoral vote in my state, but take from it what you will.

738 steve  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:29:27am

Obama/Biden

almost like OBGYN

739 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:29:55am

Of course, she's not going to appeal to the abortion-on-demand hard core feminist Hillary supporters, but if a woman's comfortable with McCain on that issue, Gov. Palin is even easier to like for other reasons.

740 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:30:42am

re: #737 Pullus Iulius

Mme. Iulius is a member of the MSM and was going to vote for Barry as her default setting, but said that if he chose Biden, she wouldn't be voting at all. She's had to cover Biden for 20 years and knows what she's talking about. I just woke her up and gave her the good news. Won't affect the electoral vote in my state, but take from it what you will.

I hope that you can lead her to see that not voting at all is really just a vote for Obama anyway.

741 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:31:46am

re: #729 Dar ul Harb

I agree. At least, Palin wouldn't have to campaign much in Alaska. She would have great appeal to women & younger people.

742 USA  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:32:29am
743 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:32:53am

re: #717 galloping granny

Maybe - but then again maybe not. One thing he needs to do is to bring in large numbers of Hillary supporters. Putting some other woman in a place that Hillary supporters have been viewing as Hillary's rightful place would not be a good way to do that.

What's McCain to do, then?
Pick Hillary as V.P. for the Republican ticket?

744 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:33:05am

re: #740 galloping granny

“A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step.”
-Lao Tzu

745 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:33:11am

re: #734 Macker

Biden is much, much more arrogant than Quayle ever was.

Quayle was out of place in his surroundings. Not a bad guy at all, but not really aggressive either.

Biden is the jerk at the bar, getting one too many in him, buying drinks for all so you know he "can" buy drinks for everyone, and then thinking this allows him to put his arm around your wife because he is such a good guy.

Very arrogant.

746 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:33:54am

re: #739 Dar ul Harb

Of course, she's not going to appeal to the abortion-on-demand hard core feminist Hillary supporters, but if a woman's comfortable with McCain on that issue, Gov. Palin is even easier to like for other reasons.

You misunderstand me. It does not matter what her position is on anything at all, nor does it matter what the disaffected Hillary supporters believe. The idea is to get as many votes as possible for John McCain instead of Obama. Those disaffected Hillary supporters are important and there are a whole lot of them.

They are mad as hell because their girl's shot at the presidency was stolen out from under her nose. So mad they are going to create a fuss at the convention, so mad that they have started an organization to support John McCain.

If John McCain then hands that shot at the first female presidency in our history to someone who is not Hillary, that will not be helpful. And might be disastrous.

747 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:34:41am

re: #743 Dar ul Harb

What's McCain to do, then?
Pick Hillary as V.P. for the Republican ticket?

Of course not. I'm sure there are other people available.

748 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:35:28am

Some people are speculating that Biden wasn't Obama's first choice. One or two others turned him down when they saw his campaign drifting. They didn't want to shoot their bolt for this dolt.

It must make Joe feel special!

749 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:36:55am

HAHA - Obama's spokesperson is on Fox right now crowing about how well they handled the VP roll out. ROFLMAO.

750 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:38:11am

re: #746 galloping granny

O.K., I understand your point. The critical calculus is, would a Palin pick energize enough PUMA Hillary supporters to actually go vote for Obama that it would change the outcome, or will they just stay home?

My guess is, they're bitter enough to let Obama lose big, to punish the party and the nominee.

751 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:39:21am
752 USA  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:39:29am

re: #748 Kenneth

Some people are speculating that Biden wasn't Obama's first choice. One or two others turned him down when they saw his campaign drifting. They didn't want to shoot their bolt for this dolt.

It must make Joe feel special!

Some people are speculating that Biden wasn't Obama's first choice. One or two others turned him down when they saw his campaign drifting. They didn't want to shoot their bolt for this dolt.

It must make Joe feel special!

I think you are right. Explains the delay in the announcement which was supposed to be mid-week, and Biden's mid-week turn from offering the press coffee and donuts outside his house, to chewing them out for disturbing his lawn.

753 canadianconservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:39:38am

re: #730 galloping granny

I think you are very wrong about that. Hillary's supporters were devastated when the Dems shoved her out of the way and put Obama in her place. They are even more upset that he did not even vet her for VP. They have been counting on Hillary becoming the first woman president.

If John puts the female governor of AK in as VP, then she will get to be the first female VP and will have a huge, maybe insurmountable, leg up 4 or 8 years down the road for a POTUS run of her own.

I think they would view this as yet one more "betrayal" of Hillary. Might even be enough to make them vote dem instead of McCain.

How can the GOP betray HRC? I would also say that for most women they just wanted to see the glass ceiling shattered, and if Sarah can do it, why not?
The Dems (read superdelegates) rejected HRC, and they are the party establishment. Howard Dean rules the roost there now, not Terry McAuliffe, and the extreme left of my acquaintance hate Hillary and bill, seeing them as , would you believe?- DINO's?

HRC has had her kick at the can, and though she may want to return in 2012, the odds are not in her favour of getting the nomination. Moreover, I believe this campaign may have really hurt the Clintons in terms of their relationship with black Democrats, which, in that party is a key constituency without which it is difficult to get nominated.
That party will be divided for a long time to come.
What will they see in Sarah? A mother of five, with one son in the military- in other words one of them.
They will see an attractive woman who has actually achieved something, and has administrative experience, which even the Sen from NY can't claim. They will see a woman who made it on her own, rather than riding her philandering husband's coattails.
And at the risk of sounding sexist, which this comment is not meant to be, she is easy on the eyes, and may even attract lot of working class democratic males in key states, who can't relate to Granola crunching-latte sucking manicured metrosexual Barack (did i mention Hussein?) Obama.
I think Sarah is a net plus, who will put every state in the union, including Illinois and Hawaii into play.
McCain is known to be unorthodox, choosing Sarah can prove that.

754 Josephine  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:40:54am

Good morning, folks.

A few weeks ago, Goddess of the Classroom added me to the prayer list. I would like to say a big thank you to her and any lizards who have felt moved to pray for me. Please keep it up!

I have noticed an improvement in my energy level and attitude; this has helped tremendously in tackling the huge "spring cleaning" I need to do. Not only that, but my positive attitude while doing all of this work has inspired my hubby and he, too, is doing a huge clean-up.

A big thank you to the lizard who told me about the National Geographic magazines on disc: we are going to buy the set and get rid of three decades of bound copies. This will clear up some space!

Thanks again!

755 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:41:16am

re: #749 galloping granny

Putting lipstick on a pig. That's the only way to describe it.

I stand by my statement. This is the most bizarre rollout of a nominee I've ever seen.

It's not like the VP selections that take place at a convention -where you've got back room deals. Obama was fully in charge of the process, and they got boxed in by the whole text message nonsense. Mrs. Lawhawk thinks it was because they got flummoxed by the technology.

I think they panicked. They saw that CNN was already running with it, and decided hours later - after 3am to go with the text message rollout.

On a Friday nite/Sat. Morning.

That bodes poorly for how they'll handle everything else going forward. It was clumsy and if this is how they handle the VP nomination, how will they handle every other issue that crosses Obama's desk?

756 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:42:02am

I agree that Choosing Gov. Palin will likely lose McCain some votes among Hillary supporters for the reasons you cite, but I believe it will split their vote, making the overall effect a wash, relative to them, or possibly a net positive, bring over some of those who were identity politics driven, rather than personality or ideologically driven to vote Hillary.

757 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:42:19am

re: #750 Dar ul Harb

O.K., I understand your point. The critical calculus is, would a Palin pick energize enough PUMA Hillary supporters to actually go vote for Obama that it would change the outcome, or will they just stay home?

My guess is, they're bitter enough to let Obama lose big, to punish the party and the nominee.

Staying home is not helpful to McCain. It lowers the number of people voting, but it does not change the numbers of hard core voters on either side. What we need to do is drag them over to VOTE, not encourage them to stay at home out of bitterness.

758 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:42:59am

re: #749 galloping granny

It sure looked like a debacle to me. Now maybe the text message part worked just the way they wanted: all those college kids out for a night of clubbing, or metrosexuals having a soy latte after the cinema (Pedro Almodóvar retrospective!).. and suddenly they all get the thrilling test message from Obamessiah! The night clubs & cafes of America must have been all atwitter.

But I don't think it played that way in the heartland.

759 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:43:52am

re: #752 USA

That was pretty good.

No doubt, donuts with an Indian accent.

760 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:43:56am

re: #746 galloping granny

If John McCain then hands that shot at the first female presidency in our history to someone who is not Hillary, that will not be helpful. And might be disastrous.

Unfortunately, I find your point to be valid only if one believes those disgruntled Hillary supporters' allegiance to feminism (i.e., the notion of the first female veep) trumps their allegiance to liberalism. Considering those very types keep their mouths conspicuously shut on things such as

1) Speaking up on behalf of the women "abused" by Bill Clinton

2) Supporting a war (Iraq) which results in the freeing of oppressed women

I find it hard to believe that they would trade their leftist political values in for feminist social ones by voting for a Palin (or whomever female Republican) out of feminist solidarity. Judging from their demonstrable behavior, they're lefties first, not feminists first. I find it unlikely that most Hillary supporters would vote Republican out of spite.

761 Macker  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:44:57am

re: #759 formercorpsman

That was pretty good.

No doubt, donuts with an Indian accent.

Nominate that for a rotating Lizard Lounge Title!

762 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:45:54am

I'm assuming that the same women that would be upset with McCain picking Gov. Palin are the same women who would never vote for a pro-life candidate for ideological left-feminist reasons, and thus those votes aren't Sen. McCain's to lose anyway. He never had them.

763 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:46:01am

Great move by Barry's boys, by the way. Set up that whole instant message drama queenery, evidently intending to make the big announcement on a Saturday for pete's sake. Then, even losing the handle on that, and having the big reveal dribble out on a Friday night, and missing deadline for all the east coast papers by a mile. Even John Edwards handled things better. I hope the stadium coronation goes off that well.

764 Jed 1899  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:46:13am

I've been pushin for Palin before Palin was cool.
McCain is a shoe-in w/her on the tickey.

765 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:46:19am

re: #736 lawhawk

Biden also called for breaking Iraq up into sectarian regions - a recipe for civil war.

Going back to Biden's greatest hits, who can forget this one on Indian-Americans.

Three regions right?

That clip is going to get some major play!

766 LeonidasOfSparta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:47:16am

[Link: exurbanleague.com...]
very funny website and the pic they chose and the name they gave the Hussein-Biden team. lmao.

If you haven't visited this site, have a look around, it's hilarious.

767 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:47:20am

re: #764 Jed 1899

McCain is a shoe-in w/her on the tickey.

Please explain.

768 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:47:48am

re: #755 lawhawk

I agree 100% and have said much of the same.

769 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:48:49am

re: #758 Kenneth

It sure looked like a debacle to me. Now maybe the text message part worked just the way they wanted: all those college kids out for a night of clubbing, or metrosexuals having a soy latte after the cinema (Pedro Almodóvar retrospective!).. and suddenly they all get the thrilling test message from Obamessiah! The night clubs & cafes of America must have been all atwitter.

But I don't think it played that way in the heartland.

Here in New England the bars close by 1 everywhere and by 3 the college kiddies are so drunk they can't walk, to say nothing of read a text message. I don't think it played well with that set either - at least not in New England.

770 Jed 1899  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:49:30am

re: #767 StinkHammer

Palin is an avid hunter/fisherwoman.Gun owners can swing any vote.

771 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:50:34am

re: #770 Jed 1899

Ah, I see. I thought perhaps you meant because of her womanhood status.

772 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:50:45am

re: #765 loppyd

I'm telling you, combine that with Hillary's Indian comments, and so many more of the gaffs out there, it just proves the whole "Mackacka" (I don't know if that is a correct spelling) thing was manufactured outrage.

Some folks in my family are democrats, actually think of themselves as cultured, and are ignorant to the point they have no clue of their ignorance.

773 canadianconservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:51:51am

What do you new Englanders think of a McCain/Romney ticket's chances to help pick off New hampshire, maine, Connectucut and even Taxachusetts?

I seem to recall that HRC cleaned Hussein's clock in the Bay State despite the K(ennedy)K(erry) Klan's endorsements!

774 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:52:21am
775 ArmyWife  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:53:39am

Biden, huh? I think I would have waiting until 3am to annouce that, too.

Do you think they did that to ensure all conservative talkshows would be over? Hoping that Monday its old news? Hoping again (they do that a lot at Camp Obama) the impact will be lessoned as there is just so much Biden material out there to rip this to shreads? Am I giving too much credit here and it was just because some 19 year old said "hey cool! It'll go out by text!" and they other 3000 followers nodded their heads?

776 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:53:58am

If the election is, apparently, all about appeal to moderate swing voters, Obama has just admitted his inexperience and undercut his image as an agent of change by picking Biden.

If McCain picks a more conventional V.P. choice, he's missing an opportunity here to bring some excitement into the G.O.P. side of the contest.

777 ArmyWife  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:54:06am

They = the. Need to finish my cup of coffee before I type.

778 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:56:02am

re: #775 ArmyWife

Biden, huh? I think I would have waiting until 3am to annouce that, too.

Do you think they did that to ensure all conservative talkshows would be over? Hoping that Monday its old news? Hoping again (they do that a lot at Camp Obama) the impact will be lessoned as there is just so much Biden material out there to rip this to shreads? Am I giving too much credit here and it was just because some 19 year old said "hey cool! It'll go out by text!" and they other 3000 followers nodded their heads?

I don't think they are capable of that depth of thought.

779 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:56:09am

Anyone ventured into Koslistan to peep the Kossites opinion of their ticket? I haven't got the fumigation capabilities to survive a look-see for myself.

On second thought, since I don't really care what the Kossites think about anything....

780 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:56:40am

re: #775 ArmyWife

Wawa baby.

3/4 high test, 1/4 french vanilla.

vroom, vroom.

You might be on to something.

3000 heads nodding brought me back to the dumb-ass MTV question about the boxers or briefs.

781 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:56:59am

re: #772 formercorpsman

Some folks in my family are democrats, actually think of themselves as cultured, and are ignorant to the point they have no clue of their ignorance.

Do you even bother?

782 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:58:08am
783 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 5:58:11am

re: #769 galloping granny

Well, maybe the test message stunt still worked swell in San Francisco? Around midnight, the leather bars are just getting into the swing of things.

Barry belly-flopped this one.

784 BBev  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:00:09am

I don’t get it of all people Obama could have chosen why Biden. I hope McCain makes a better choice.

785 LeonidasOfSparta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:00:37am

re: #769 galloping granny

I'm going to go one step further and say that the few who got the text message, read it, and figured out who Joe Biden IS, must have thought "WTF? an old wrinkled white guy? hope and change?"

The real fun starts this morning, headache or no, when all of Bidens moronic gaffes and devious shinnanagins bring the firestorm of ads from McCain's camp, and the house of cards comes toppling down.

786 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:01:10am

re: #783 Kenneth

Well, maybe the test message stunt still worked swell in San Francisco? Around midnight, the leather bars are just getting into the swing of things.

Barry belly-flopped this one.

LOL

The Silky Pony cheating interview aired at 11:00 p.m. on a Friday night. Barry's VP pick was announced a few hours later on a Friday night.

787 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:01:33am

re: #781 loppyd

Every once in a while, I will debate them into a corner, but I know it is futile.

I find it is too difficult to help people from pulling their head out of their ass if they refuse to stop grabbing their thighs.

788 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:01:57am

IMHO, Obama picked the dumbest choice he possibly could for his VP. No state, no extra votes, not even someone who would pacifiy the PUMAs. Nope, just a zero like himself.

789 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:02:13am

re: #784 BBev

Why Biden.

Because he's used to losing on a national level?

790 ArmyWife  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:02:18am

re: #780 formercorpsman
Sadly, there is no WaWa near me. Even if there was one, no one (and I mean no one) is ready to see me in my current state. Plus Army Husband had the nerve to leave the house this morning at some ungodly hour with our children in tow to attend the last day of their hunter safety course (the children, AH is an avid hunter). I was forced to get my own coffee. Your suggestion sounds so much better than what I am drinking. Its been a brutal start to this day.

791 Fredlike  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:03:05am

Well Biden is certainly a safe choice. Of course my official Obama announcement email got sent to the Junk folder. Biden is a great bore and solidly liberal. One of the few guests on the old Imus show I would automatically switch channels away from, the other was Begalla (sp?). From this point on I would advise Republicans to just ignore Biden he is a non entity in a national race.

I would like to see the Republicans pick the Alaska Governor but I'm not sure she has enough experience at this point. Romney I do not like but I would probably still end up voting for McCain if he is the VP. Huckabee would help McCain in the south a lot but I do not expect the pick to be him.

792 laZardo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:03:20am

Youth is easily deceived because it is quick to hope.

And that's why I learned to stop hoping. It came with growing up.

Gyuuuuuuud evening, everyone!

793 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:03:32am

There are vastly more women who are not ideologically left-feminist who would be energized by the opportunity to vote for the first female Vice-President of the United States (who actually has a chance of winning, unlike Mondale-Ferraro against the hugely popular President Reagan for re-election in 1984). Plus, as Gov. Palin has executive experience, unlike Ms. Ferraro, she's arguably more qualified to succeed to the Presidency.

794 right_on_target  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:04:02am

Read this on the OBummer site.

"Senator McCain thinks anyone making less than $5 million is just middle class"
THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE.

795 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:04:55am

sorry if this is a repeat, but it is so God Awful I have to share....

new song/video of Messiah via Hot Air:

Video: B-list celebrities sing hymn to A-list celebrity

796 BBev  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:05:13am

re: #789 Wendya

Because he's used to losing on a national level?

I can’t wait for the convention it is going to be fun to see. I wish it started last night would have made for a good Friday night drinking thread

797 yesandno  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:05:16am

Before long, they'll be hidin' Biden....

Can't wait for it all to start..............

You are going to get something akin to Father Pfleger's outspoken rants and Biden's off the cuff borrowed thoughts of others all rolled up in the Veep................

We can call it Pflegerism in honor of them both!

798 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:05:18am

re: #783 Kenneth

Well, maybe the test message stunt still worked swell in San Francisco? Around midnight, the leather bars are just getting into the swing of things.

Barry belly-flopped this one.

Which one doesn't he belly flop? He may be a US Senator, but he has never run a real campaign. His style right along has been to get the opponent thrown off the ticket so that he is running unopposed. I'm fairly sure that is one of the reasons that he & his staff have been so transparent in their belief that he already IS the president.

799 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:05:41am

re: #790 ArmyWife

I am getting ready to go get mine.

I think I'll find my cleanest dirty shirt.

800 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:06:58am

Well good morning all y'all - from a gorgeous (66 degrees going up to 87 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

801 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:07:02am

re: #787 formercorpsman

Every once in a while, I will debate them into a corner, but I know it is futile.

I find it is too difficult to help people from pulling their head out of their ass if they refuse to stop grabbing their thighs.

I hear you.

Since they are relatives you can't be mean and just laugh in their faces.

802 brainwizard73  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:07:19am

With the reference to MTV...how does the assembled mass think that the Biden pick will play with the narcissistic celebs that provide the knee pad treatment for the junior senator from Illinois?

Will Scarlett Johannson be giving Uncle Joe a lap dance?

803 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:07:21am

re: #788 Honorary Yooper

IMHO, Obama picked the dumbest choice he possibly could for his VP. No state, no extra votes, not even someone who would pacifiy the PUMAs. Nope, just a zero like himself.

He was looking only at his very obvious complete inability to handle foreign affairs, hoping old Joe would carry the day with his. Unfortunately, the VP has a very clearly designed role. President of Foreign Policy is not part of that.

804 Jed 1899  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:08:45am

My Dad (RIP Pop) would say:
Hope in one hand,shit in the other.See which gets full first.

805 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:08:46am

re: #795 loppyd

First time I saw that, I thought it was a parody! OMG, it is so lame. Obama must think this is a high school popularity contest. The boy with the coolest friends wins!

806 BBev  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:09:29am

re: #800 realwest

Good mornin Real I'm doing fine and life is good here.

807 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:09:38am

re: #804 Jed 1899

My Dad (RIP Pop) would say:
Hope in one hand,shit in the other.See which gets full first.

My dad says exactly the same thing, except with "piss" LOL.

808 bp sf  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:09:49am

Wawa: Yesterday's Coffee, Today! Blecch!

(no fee atm's ok, though)

809 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:10:01am

re: #795 loppyd

sorry if this is a repeat, but it is so God Awful I have to share....

new song/video of Messiah via Hot Air:

Video: B-list celebrities sing hymn to A-list celebrity

Good God. George Costanza is in the video. And Barry Manilow. And of course Whoppie Goldberg and Margaret Cho.

AAAAAAHHHHH LOL LOL

810 brainwizard73  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:10:04am

re: #788 Honorary Yooper

IMHO, Obama picked the dumbest choice he possibly could for his VP. No state, no extra votes, not even someone who would pacifiy the PUMAs. Nope, just a zero like himself.

Your opinion makes sense, but absent a good "John the Baptist" candidate to go along with our secular Jesus, what other alternatives made more sense?

At least Biden will be somewhat entertaining. Quick, someone give him a copy of Bartlett's Quotations with the names taken out...

811 Fredlike  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:10:06am

re: #794 right_on_target

Read this on the OBummer site.

"Senator McCain thinks anyone making less than $5 million is just middle class"
THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE.

Yes, McCain said anyone over 5 million was rich not that under was middle class. Defining rich is always hard, my current standard is the Millionaire standard. In the old days a Millionaire was someone with $1,000,000 in net assets, Now days it is probably someone with over a million a year in income.

812 bp sf  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:10:45am

Biden likes Wawa, no Indian accent needed.

813 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:11:12am

re: #803 galloping granny Good morning galloping granny! What's worse is that Joe Biden's foreign policy "ideas" are almost as looney-tune as Obama's! Seriously, as much as I dislike Wealey Clark, HE woulda been a better choice than Biden!

Oh and BTW, they just had Biden on Fox about 15 minutes ago and he was saying so many really nice things about................John McCain (!) that the airhead at Fox actually asked him "Does Senator Obama know you feel so friendly towards Sen. McCain, cuase it sounds like you're running as McCain's VP!" ROTFLMAO!

814 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:11:21am

re: #795 loppyd

Oh, the whole folding hands in prayer, holding the arms out.

The bloom is off their rose.

Campaigning for 2 years has finally taken its toll.

815 laZardo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:11:37am

re: #800 realwest

Just waiting to be turned into strange matter by the LHC. It'd be so trippy being all midnight blue and quasi-gooey, though I wouldn't want to leave residue on my keyboard. q:

816 katemaclaren  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:11:46am

I personally think that choosing Biden means 'Bama has NO CONFIDENCE--or at least his handlers have no confidence. So much for change. He's now running scared.

817 Fredlike  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:12:08am

Was Biden the one in the Senator-Waitress-Senator sandwich with Kennedy?

818 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:12:18am

re: #806 BBev
Hey there my friend, I'm so glad to hear that! We're doing pretty well down here ourselves this morning!

819 Karridine  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:12:22am

re: #798 galloping granny

You mean, "Hillary's out of the running, Obamessiah, THEREFORE there are none who dare oppose you. You're basically unopposed, McCain got nuffink on YOU, Massah-Daddy!"

/something like that, Granny?

820 livefreeor die  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:13:05am

re: #4 Noam Sayin'

Biden...

Bwahahahahaha!

In the one of the many immortal quotes from Animal House, "Thank you, God!"

821 brainwizard73  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:13:29am

re: #795 loppyd

sorry if this is a repeat, but it is so God Awful I have to share....

new song/video of Messiah via Hot Air:

Video: B-list celebrities sing hymn to A-list celebrity

Oh boy.

Question: Does Joe Biden "help turn off the dark"?

822 BBev  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:13:50am

re: #818 realwest

Hey there my friend, I'm so glad to hear that! We're doing pretty well down here ourselves this morning!

I LOVE my new job the people are fantastic and this time I don’t have to do everything all by myself.

823 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:13:52am

re: #817 Fredlike

Chris Dodd.

824 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:14:03am

"Biden know for candor, expertise"


That's what it says on Yahoo's front page.
/No pro-Democrat bias there.

825 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:14:18am

re: #815 laZardo
Good morning laZardo! Uh, what's LHC?!

826 laZardo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:14:30am

re: #821 brainwizard73

Oh boy.

Question: Does Joe Biden "help turn off the dark"?

RACSIT!111111oneoneonetwo

827 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:14:40am

re: #813 realwest

Good morning galloping granny! What's worse is that Joe Biden's foreign policy "ideas" are almost as looney-tune as Obama's! Seriously, as much as I dislike Wealey Clark, HE woulda been a better choice than Biden!

Oh and BTW, they just had Biden on Fox about 15 minutes ago and he was saying so many really nice things about................John McCain (!) that the airhead at Fox actually asked him "Does Senator Obama know you feel so friendly towards Sen. McCain, cuase it sounds like you're running as McCain's VP!" ROTFLMAO!

Morning realwest. Go take a peek at this one - [Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

828 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:14:47am

re: #802 brainwizard73

That crowd thought Russia was invading our Georgian coast, nor did they care.

I would venture to say, they think of the VP slot in a similar manner as getting the biggie fries for free when going through the drive-thru.

829 laZardo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:15:31am

re: #825 realwest

It's the topic of the previous thread. q:

830 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:15:36am

re: #800 realwest

Hey, real! Good morning to you too. A funny thing happened in the night: the grapes in my garden a finally ripe, so the raccoons were out feasting on them all night. I was startled awake by an awful screeching sound... (no, it wasn't Hilary reacting to the VP nod)... the grape vices were trained along the garage roof and raccoons had torn the eves trough right off. I get to go out & fix that this morning.

Then I go pick up my daughter "M" when she returns from summer camp. She spent the last 7 weeks at a wilderness camp up north & I can't wait to see her!

831 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:15:53am

re: #824 FrogMarch

"Biden know for candor, expertise"


That's what it says on Yahoo's front page.
/No pro-Democrat bias there.

He sure is known for "candor." Got to be Indian American to walk into 7-11. . . . . . his state was a slave state. . . . . .

832 canadianconservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:16:43am

I've made my Case for Sarah Palin, and said that I'd be happy with Romney as well

However, the New Englanders went silent when I asked them whether they thought putting Romney on the ticket would help the GOP win in ME, MA, CT, NH.

I think he'd pull in alot of women voters nationally. I also think he'd solidify things for the GOP ticket in Michigan, OH, and PA, and seal the deal in CO, NE and possibly help pick off OR.

833 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:16:54am

re: #817 Fredlike

Was Biden the one in the Senator-Waitress-Senator sandwich with Kennedy?

No, that was Dodd.

834 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:16:59am

re: #800 realwest

Good morning to you, sir. The sun is up, the morning is cool, and our opponents continue to confound themselves. A beautiful day outside and in.

835 Beach Lover  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:17:11am

Obama really messed this one up, which says alot more about the state of his campaign than even we had hoped. I also agree that this must have been his 2nd or 3rd choice or else why the timing?

As far as McCain's pick....I like Palin, the more I see and read about her. It would give a surprise lift to the ticket, and she has so many appealing qualities. a little light on experience, but then compared to Obama, she could be at the top of the ticket! If it's Romney, I'm OK with that, too, but boy, how can anyone say that the GOP is not the party of future if we had not only the first black woman at a high cabinet level, but the first VP! And she makes Hilary look washed up.

836 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:17:16am

re: #809 loppyd Hey there {loppyd}! How are you this morning good looking?

837 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:17:20am

re: #805 Kenneth

First time I saw that, I thought it was a parody! OMG, it is so lame. Obama must think this is a high school popularity contest. The boy with the coolest friends wins!

I think I just threw up in my mouth.

"This is the church you can't see." ?

Not to mention the song sucks from a musical standpoint.

and OMG Pam Anderson?

GAH!

838 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:17:31am

re: #808 bp sf

After drinking the Navy's coffee, wawa is the cat's eye.

Plus, at a about a buck and a quarter, I can live with blecch.

839 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:18:07am

re: #811 Fredlike

I like the global standard: if you're living in the West, you're rich. be grateful and stop your griping.

840 formercorpsman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:18:08am

re: #809 loppyd

Cho?

He has to win now.

841 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:18:20am

re: #836 realwest

Hey there {loppyd}! How are you this morning good looking?

{realwest}

Good Morning, handsome!

I'm great - having some coffee, chatting with friends. The sun is out.
Life is good.

How's by you?

842 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:18:21am

OK, I need some lizard advice. Our towm is have a "sustainable communities" workshop in two weeks. Who funds these groups? Why does this sounds like a George Soros event? [Link: cfsci.canin.com...] Should this be something our town should participate in?

843 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:18:34am

re: #832 canadianconservative

I've made my Case for Sarah Palin, and said that I'd be happy with Romney as well

However, the New Englanders went silent when I asked them whether they thought putting Romney on the ticket would help the GOP win in ME, MA, CT, NH.

I think he'd pull in alot of women voters nationally. I also think he'd solidify things for the GOP ticket in Michigan, OH, and PA, and seal the deal in CO, NE and possibly help pick off OR.

Lots of New Englanders don't like Romney, feel that he made an even bigger mess out of Taxachusetts. He certainly would not help McCain in New England and might actually hurt him.

Somebody mentioned Rick Santorum. What do we know about him?

844 Karridine  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:18:43am

re: #824 FrogMarch

"Biden know for candor, expertise"

... when COMPARED to most other Democrats, Frog!

/perspective, Dewd, perspective...

845 laZardo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:19:11am

re: #805 Kenneth

First time I saw that, I thought it was a parody! OMG, it is so lame. Obama must think this is a high school popularity contest. The boy with the coolest friends wins!

That somehow explains the mentality of his supporters. When it comes right down to it, they act just like the dominating cliques from high school.

/that's why I'm scared, because these dominating cliques usually turn out the best in life...

846 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:19:13am

re: #822 BBev
Hey that's great! Nothing like having a job that you look forward to going to in the morning!

847 brainwizard73  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:19:32am

re: #813 realwest

Real:

Isn't Biden the guy that wanted to partition Iraq into three zones?

Given the Iraqi leadership's (alleged) love for Obama, will Barack be welcome in Baghdad in the future?

848 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:20:19am

re: #842 Crimsonfisted

OK, I need some lizard advice. Our towm is have a "sustainable communities" workshop in two weeks. Who funds these groups? Why does this sounds like a George Soros event? [Link: cfsci.canin.com...] Should this be something our town should participate in?

Wow. some typos!
Our town is to have

849 brainwizard73  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:20:31am

re: #826 laZardo

RACSIT!111111oneoneonetwo

I had no idea I was so sick...time for introspection.

[gazes at navel]

850 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:20:42am

re: #847 brainwizard73

yes, he did recommend that.

851 Gharqad  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:21:30am

re: #802 brainwizard73


Will Scarlett Johannson be giving Uncle Joe a lap dance?

If she does, I'll be more than a little envious!

852 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:21:40am

re: #821 brainwizard73

Oh boy.

Question: Does Joe Biden "help turn off the dark"?

When he gets to the top of the mountain will he remember me?

853 canadianconservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 6:21:58am