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Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:00:00 pm PDT

Youth is easily deceived because it is quick to hope.

Aristotle

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1 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:00:26pm

Biden is an idiot!

2 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:01:00pm

"Youth is easily deceived because it is quick to hope."

Obama campaign manager

3 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:01:51pm

He's a self absorbed ninny who brings nothing, and I mean nothing to the ticket.

4 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:02:15pm

Biden...

Bwahahahahaha!

5 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:02:35pm

re: #1 DesertSage

Biden is an idiot!

A long-winded one. The worst kind.

6 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:02:43pm

Noam?

7 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:02:49pm

re: #1 DesertSage

Biden is an idiot!

What does that say about the people who elected him to public office?

8 kahall  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:03:36pm

Oh yeah? What about some CHANGE to go along with that HOPE Mr smarty pants Aristotle...whoever that is.

9 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:03:46pm

It's almost like the democrats forgot how to elect a president.

Gore?

Kerry?

An untested junior senator?

Sure. He's a shoe-in.

10 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:03:50pm

Can I post if I ain't clean and articulate?

11 mbruce  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:04:03pm

re: #7 The Other Les

What does that say about the people who elected him to public office?

This ticket will still get lots and lots of votes. frightening

12 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:04:03pm

Sage?

13 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:04:12pm

Is Youth also quick to change?

14 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:04:12pm

Obama/Biden '08
?
?
?

Hahahahahaha.....

Now that's funny!

15 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:04:39pm

re: #3 MrPaulRevere

He's a self absorbed ninny who brings nothing, and I mean nothing to the ticket.

The Donks have once again nominated people who present as their primary qualification for public office the fact that they are unfit for public office.

16 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:05:06pm

Noam, how's the squirrel?

17 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:05:22pm

Biden is an idiotic gaffe machine, but so is Obama. I'm thinking Obama picked Biden because he wanted a VP that made him look good by comparison. He may have succeeded.

18 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:05:24pm

It took all this time to find a plagiarizer with hair plugs?

19 Intrepid  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:05:25pm

What a gift to John McCain! Mr Gaffe Himself!

Joe's statements will come back to bite Obama in the butt.

Hee!

20 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:05:30pm

Apparently, to draw in the votes, Obama/Biden will hold their own version of this risque New Zealand parade!

21 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:06:02pm

Biden is a caricature of a leftist: A narcissist who is intoxicated with his own sanctimony. I suspect uber red diaper baby David Axelrod REALLY picked him.

22 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:06:03pm

Regarding Biden, most of Kos's posts are between luke-warm and ballistic.

23 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:06:08pm

re: #16 DesertSage

Haven't heard any reports back, yet. He was a scrappy, little guy for not having opened his eyes, yet. I think he'll pull through.

24 SpartanWoman  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:06:26pm

re: #22 hermeneutics

Regarding Biden, most of Kos's posts are between luke-warm and ballistic.

Cool!

25 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:06:36pm

Let the gaffing commence.

26 Rev. Churchmouse  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:07:07pm

But..but..but.... he has foreign policy experience.

and he was for the surge before Obama was against it!

27 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:07:23pm

Biden on Hillary:

“Are they going to turn to Hillary Clinton?” Biden asked, lowering his voice to a hush to explain why Mrs. Clinton won’t win the election.

“Everyone in the world knows her,” he said. “Her husband has used every single legitimate tool in his behalf to lock people in, shut people down. Legitimate. And she can’t break out of 30 percent for a choice for Democrats? Where do you want to be? Do you want to be in a place where 100 percent of the Democrats know you? They’ve looked at you for the last three years. And four out of 10 is the max you can get?”

[Link: 2008central.net...]

Obama picked the one person that will fire up the Hillary supporters. Gonna be fun to watch.

28 Abu Maven  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:07:34pm

Since Biden never served in the military, but voted for the Iraq war, does that make him a "chicken hawk"?

29 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:08:13pm

re: #9 Noam Sayin'

It's almost like the democrats forgot how to elect a president.

Gore?

Kerry?

An untested junior senator?

Sure. He's a shoe-in.

The arrogance of the Democrat is that s/he assumes that their beliefs are the gold standard of human thinking and behavior. Therefore, anybody who does not Believe must be a delusional idiot, or evil.

"Everybody should be like us" - actual quote from a classmate of mine at a Massachusetts state college, September of 2004 ("Us" and "Everybody" meaning, MA and the rest of the country, respectively).

It never occurs to them that they might be, like... Wrong. Or even fallible.

30 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:08:22pm

Smiling Faces

/Undisputed Truth

31 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:08:53pm

re: #17 Neo Con since 9-11

Biden is an idiotic gaffe machine, but so is Obama. I'm thinking Obama picked Biden because he wanted a VP that made him look good by comparison. He may have succeeded.

I seriously doubt that he really is that smart.

The questions to ask are who is really pulling the strings, and who really benefits from this?

32 winston06  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:08:57pm

re: #1 DesertSage

Biden is an idiot!

Slow Joe Biden is silly

33 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:09:20pm

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

Hillary as VP could have given them the election.

34 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:09:59pm

re: #31 The Other Les

I seriously doubt that he really is that smart.

The questions to ask are who is really pulling the strings, and who really benefits from this?

Hillary?

35 hazzyday  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:10:01pm

Will anyone be able to shut Biden up once he starts talking?

36 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:10:22pm

Well, Biden has accepted.

I don't get the timing, but whatever.

37 SpartanWoman  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:10:28pm

re: #35 hazzyday

Will anyone be able to shut Biden up once he starts talking?

Michelle Obama

38 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:10:53pm

This is a great quote from Kos.

Wasn't this supposed to be a secret until tomorrow? This is like waking up and catching Mom place the presents under the Christmas tree. Now a bunch of people who signed on believing that they would know before the media might feel as if they had been cheated into giving the campaign their email addresses and phone numbers.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

39 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:07pm

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

Brilliant analysis, I'd give that a thousand dings if I could.

40 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:17pm

re: #37 SpartanWoman

Michelle Obama

Wonder if she's proud tonight?

41 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:32pm

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

Nice one. Favorited that.

On that note, Charles, if you're tuning in. I tried to click on the resulting green heart, and it won't take me to the 'manage my favorites' screen, so I could add a tag. This was once a feature, was it not?

Anyone?

42 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:36pm

re: #34 DesertSage

Hillary?

This would set her up for the "I told you so" campaign of 2012.

That, or the space aliens will invade the Earth, and the world will end.

43 SpartanWoman  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:39pm

re: #36 Cognito

Well, Biden has accepted.

I don't get the timing, but whatever.

I wonder how far down the list he was. With Barry sinking being his running mate might not seem like such a great idea.

44 garycooper  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:43pm

Cancel my subscription to the resurrection!

45 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:11:50pm

Joe Biden?

You've got to be kidding me.

Isn't he a washed up hack?

46 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:12:06pm

Obama bin Biden!

47 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:12:40pm

re: #45 zombie

That is what's being reported. My thought? 24 hour rule.

48 Boxy_brown  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:12:41pm

Should have gone for Neil Kinnock and cut out the middle man.

49 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:12:52pm

re: #17 Neo Con since 9-11

Biden is an idiotic gaffe machine, but so is Obama. I'm thinking Obama picked Biden because he wanted a VP that made him look good by comparison. He may have succeeded.

In politics, we call that the "Quayle Strategy."

50 papa_giorgio  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:12:56pm

.

Shakespeare:

“ …right and wrong
(Between whose endless jar justice resides)
Should lose their names, and so should justice too.
Then everything includes itself in power,
And appetite, and universal wolf,
So doubly seconded with will and power,
Must make perforce an universal prey,
And last eat up himself.”

.

51 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:13:00pm

I love the smell of hubris in the morning. Gaffe-o-matic. Maybe they can be called 'Ears and Plugs'? Obama/Biden, we'll be quoting you without attribution.....

Is it possible that the choice of Biden is to head off any shenanigans the Clintons might try to pull? I feel like dancing as if I were Gollum after he bit Frodos finger off and had the ring back in his possession....

52 TheMatrix31  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:13:44pm

re: #46 carbon footprint

Obama bin Biden!

I put that as the status for my Facebook page. Let's see if I get any feedback.

53 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:13:49pm

re: #31 The Other Les

I seriously doubt that he really is that smart.

The questions to ask are who is really pulling the strings, and who really benefits from this?

Bayh would have been a perfect choice, actually, from the POV of the Obama machine. Moderate, consistent, uncommitted to the left/right split, is not a f-cking idiot when it comes to things like Iraq, looks relatively young (so you could play the "youth" angle to go along with Obamessiah being ze Germans' much-adored "bleck Che-Iff-Kay"), has the image of a classic blue collar for-the-working-man kind of dem, and on paper he's as Republican as McPain is Democrat.

I think Soros Puppetmasters LLC dropped the ball with this one, if Biden really is the choice.

Hint: Pick somebody with internally consistent beliefs next time. See you fuckers in 2012!

54 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:14:27pm

I would love to have heard the thinking that went into this decision.

55 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:14:40pm

re: #36 Cognito

Well, Biden has accepted.

I don't get the timing, but whatever.

Timing? Its the choice that confuses. How easy will it be to discuss plagiarism and gaffes with these two? Obama runs without a record and Biden is easily scrutinized and torn apart.

56 Boxy_brown  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:01pm

Biden thinks Obama is "clean" mainly because he doesn't work in a 7/11.

57 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:02pm

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

The arrogance of the Democrat is that s/he assumes that their beliefs are the gold standard of human thinking and behavior. Therefore, anybody who does not Believe must be a delusional idiot, or evil.

"Everybody should be like us" - actual quote from a classmate of mine at a Massachusetts state college, September of 2004 ("Us" and "Everybody" meaning, MA and the rest of the country, respectively).

It never occurs to them that they might be, like... Wrong. Or even fallible.

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
- William F. Buckley Jr.

58 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:12pm

re: #52 TheMatrix31

I stole it from Ace of Spades. It is the best I have seen so far.
Though Smugs/Plugs '08 is good as well. Not sure who did that one.

59 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:15pm

re: #45 zombie

Joe Biden?

You've got to be kidding me.

Isn't he a washed up hack?

They've never let anything like a fact of reality get in the way of their parade.

60 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:18pm

re: #45 zombie

Joe Biden?

You've got to be kidding me.

Isn't he a washed up hack?

Obama being the lost, fatherless narcissist he is, perhaps he only looks for himself, wherever he goes.

/zen

61 kahall  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:15:20pm

I see Obama had to go all the way to the bottom of the barrel.

62 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:16:07pm

2 Senators on a ticket! McCain MUST pick a governor now.

63 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:16:11pm

re: #55 coquimbojoe

Timing? Its the choice that confuses. How easy will it be to discuss plagiarism and gaffes with these two? Obama runs without a record and Biden is easily scrutinized and torn apart.

All that is assumed -- but I'm really puzzed by the timing... 2 a.m. EST?

That's when you announce your impending indictment for white slavery. Not your VP pick.

64 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:16:19pm

McCain just clinched with B.O's pick.

65 kahall  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:16:43pm

Someone round up the Clarence Thomas hearing records. STAT!

66 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:16:51pm

re: #57 DesertSage

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
- William F. Buckley Jr.

Damn that Buckley and his smartination. He done said what I did say with less o' them thar words. Sheeit.

67 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:01pm

re: #45 zombie

Joe Biden?

You've got to be kidding me.

Isn't he a washed up hack?

It balances the new hackiness of Obama nicely....

68 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:04pm

re: #53 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm not convinced he's the choice, to be honest. Maybe they're raising one last trial balloon?

If it is Biden -- great! I've been poking around Kos and clearly Kos's posters are angry. Obama may lose the adoration and worship of his most deluded/committed followers.

A net-plus for McCain. And McCain has the opportunity to choose wisely knowing that Obama has already played this card.

69 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:06pm

re: #46 carbon footprint

Obama bin Biden!

Instant classic! I suspect you will go down in history for that one.

70 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:12pm

Oh, shit. My bookmarks didn't transfer over to my new computer.

I'd implore someone for assistance, but it's late. If anyone knows how to bring those over give me a shout out tomorrow or Sunday.

71 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:34pm

If only the National Enquirer had held off on the Edwards story. If Obama had picked him, Edwards would have gone down as one of the biggest chumps in history. But then, Hillary may have stepped in once the affair was disclosed.

72 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:17:46pm

re: #62 carbon footprint

2 Senators on a ticket! McCain MUST pick a governor now.



Sarah Palin!

73 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:18:01pm

re: #69 zombie

Instant classic! I suspect you will go down in history for that one.

I stole it Zombie! From Ace of Spades in the comments.

74 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:18:47pm

re: #68 hermeneutics

If it is Biden -- great! I've been poking around Kos and clearly Kos's posters are angry. Obama may lose the adoration and worship of his most deluded/committed followers.

Is it really so hard to lose the support of people who don't even understand what they want anyway?

Revolution Eats Itself, always. The problem is that Revolution has become a hip lifestyle and there's too many of them now.

I can't wait for the Republicans to invent SkyNet, so I can send a T-800 back in time to kill Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

75 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:19:02pm

re: #72 DesertSage


Sarah Palin!

Absolutely. A governor and a female to attract the PUMA vote.

76 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:19:21pm

re: #63 Cognito

All that is assumed -- but I'm really puzzed by the timing... 2 a.m. EST?

That's when you announce your impending indictment for white slavery. Not your VP pick.

I agree, I think they didn't want to be accused of trying to upstage the Olympics. Not only in this case, but If Obama made up his mind earlier, why not just come out with it? Everybodies' panties have been bunching all week. I hope McCodger handles it better.

77 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:19:30pm

re: #56 Boxy_brown

Biden thinks Obama is "clean" mainly because he doesn't work in a 7/11.

Well, there goes the Indian-American vote.

Chip, chip, chip, one chip at a time, until the boulder cracks.

78 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:19:53pm

re: #72 DesertSage


Sarah Palin!

Grr...

79 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:01pm

re: #75 carbon footprint

Shouldn't the M in PUMA be an H?

80 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:15pm

Clean and Jerk, '08

81 nigella  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:20pm

Are any of you as sick as I am hearing about McCain not knowing how many houses he owns? What on God's green earth does that have to do with being President of the United States?

82 rightwinger3  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:36pm

re: #38 hermeneutics

This is a great quote from Kos.

Wasn't this supposed to be a secret until tomorrow? This is like waking up and catching Mom place the presents under the Christmas tree. Now a bunch of people who signed on believing that they would know before the media might feel as if they had been cheated into giving the campaign their email addresses and phone numbers.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Excellent.

Thx 4 ur info, biden iz ur vp!

83 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:43pm

re: #74 Pawn of the Oppressor

Is it really so hard to lose the support of people who don't even understand what they want anyway?

Revolution Eats Itself, always. The problem is that Revolution has become a hip lifestyle and there's too many of them now.

I can't wait for the Republicans to invent SkyNet, so I can send a T-800 back in time to kill Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

Blockade the centers of revolution and let the cannibals eat each other.

/

84 kahall  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:48pm

re: #80 Cognito

Clean and Jerk, '08

LOL!

85 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:50pm

re: #72 DesertSage


Sarah Palin!

I don't know, something about her is kinda fishy....

/

86 Edouard  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:20:53pm

Republican ad-makers have got to be licking their chops right now.

87 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:20pm

re: #31 The Other Les

I seriously doubt that he really is that smart.

The questions to ask are who is really pulling the strings, and who really benefits from this?

I don't know who else would want Biden on the ticket. Hilary can't stand Biden. Soros has only contributed $1,000 (chump change for Soros) to Biden and that was back in 2001. This seems like zombie called it "The Quayle Strategy".

88 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:21pm

re: #80 Cognito

Dammit, dude. You know I dislilke you, but I had to ding you up for that one.

89 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:23pm

re: #73 carbon footprint

I stole it Zombie! From Ace of Spades in the comments.

Well, you're a first-class thief! You know good material.

90 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:35pm

re: #81 nigella

Are any of you as sick as I am hearing about McCain not knowing how many houses he owns? What on God's green earth does that have to do with being President of the United States?

It doesn't. I think the Obama campaign is spinning its wheels, frantically trying to find some way to restore his Messiah status.

91 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:38pm

re: #80 Cognito

Clean and Jerk, '08

I think that is the best thing you ever written. Very funny!

92 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:21:41pm

re: #88 Noam Sayin'

Well, hey, it's the Olympics.

93 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:22:16pm

re: #74 Pawn of the Oppressor

Some revolutions eat non-revolutionaries before they eat themselves.

94 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:22:28pm

It's the Clean Team.

95 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:22:37pm

re: #75 carbon footprint

Absolutely. A governor and a female to attract the PUMA vote.

His first priority with Palin would be to get her on TV somewhere alone, by herself, up against somebody from Obama's camp, to defuse the accusation that she's window dressing. Hell, have her debate Obie himself, one on one... Imagine the Obamessiah being shredded by McPain's pretty little VP? Ouch.

96 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:22:44pm

re: #77 zombie

Well, there goes the Indian-American vote.

Chip, chip, chip, one chip at a time, until the boulder cracks.

From The Campaign Spot:

One last thought before bed: Imagine McCain picking Gov. Bobby Jindal. First line at the debate, "Senator, before we begin our debate, let me clarify for you that I don't work at a 7-11."

97 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:00pm

re: #74 Pawn of the Oppressor

I can't wait for the Republicans to invent SkyNet, so I can send a T-800 back in time to kill Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

I just woke up the nieghbor's cat laughing at that one.

98 Irene NYC  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:04pm

re: #68 hermeneutics

It's front page New York Times. That's as official as it gets.

99 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:27pm
100 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:44pm

I'll say it again, Ears and Plugs '08.

/ Not really sure it warranted a second go around, but I like it.

101 Edouard  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:46pm

re: #63 Cognito

All that is assumed -- but I'm really puzzed by the timing... 2 a.m. EST?

That's when you announce your impending indictment for white slavery. Not your VP pick.

The timing was clearly a flub. Middle of the night VP announcement, half of America gone to bed and not watching their text messages anymore, some newspapers won't have it in the morning. It was a flub but Obama's camp will probably never explain it.

102 Abu Maven  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:23:52pm

re: #65 kahall

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

103 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:00pm

Ears and Mouth.

104 Canadian Guy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:22pm

re: #98 Irene NYC

It's front page New York Times. That's as official as it gets.

I won't believe it until I get my text message. Barak told me I'd be the very first to know. Still waiting ....

105 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:27pm

re: #80 Cognito

Clean and Jerk, '08

Not bad. Worked in an Olympics theme there, too.

106 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:34pm

re: #95 Pawn of the Oppressor

His first priority with Palin would be to get her on TV somewhere alone, by herself, up against somebody from Obama's camp, to defuse the accusation that she's window dressing. Hell, have her debate Obie himself, one on one... Imagine the Obamessiah being shredded by McPain's pretty little VP? Ouch.

True. Also, can you imagine a debate between she and Biden? Biden, with his demeanor, would end up looking like the tool that he is to everyone!

107 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:47pm

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

It never occurs to them that they might be, like... Wrong. Or even fallible.


A well-known remark of Oliver Cromwell, the leader of the Parliamentary New Model Army in England's 17th century Civil War, comes from a letter he wrote to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland in 1650:

"I beseech you in the bowels of Christ think it possible you may be mistaken."

Democrats:
Arrogant in their wastefulness, indecision and determination to be weak.

108 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:24:51pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

That is what's being reported. My thought? 24 hour rule.

Luddite? The cat's been out of the back for about two hours.

/come sunrise, or whenever they manage to wake up, there's going to be millions of unhappy LLL campers who gave up their contact information and credit card number for the promised first text notification

109 Irene NYC  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:25:15pm

re: #77 zombie

Only the richest "minority" in the country.
;)

110 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:25:44pm

re: #106 carbon footprint

Palin debating Biden. I'd pay to see that.

111 Boxy_brown  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:25:46pm

re: #80 Cognito

Outstanding!

112 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:25:49pm

Barack and Joe Biden Time

113 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:26:01pm

Doll-Hair? Or Joe Bosley?

The left loves idiot names for their opposition. So, we might as well join the fray. Shall we from here on out call Biden "Joe Bosley"? after the Bosley Medical Group (they put hair on balding men's domes). Or shall we simply refer to him as "Doll-Hair". I, for one, prefer Doll-Hair. And am willing to start a movement.

114 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:26:05pm

re: #101 Edouard

The timing was clearly a flub. Middle of the night VP announcement, half of America gone to bed and not watching their text messages anymore, some newspapers won't have it in the morning. It was a flub but Obama's camp will probably never explain it.

It's worse than that, really. NO papers will have it tomorrow. EVERYONE has gone to bed.

Totally mysterious. If they do explain it, there will probably be some slick and plausible-sounding reason, I'm sure.

115 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:26:36pm

On the plus side for Obama: Now he's got Delaware's 3 electoral vote locked up!

116 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:26:53pm

re: #108 Killian Bundy

Luddite? The cat's been out of the back for about two hours.

/come sunrise, or whenever they manage to wake up, there's going to be millions of unhappy LLL campers who gave up their contact information and credit card number for the promised first text notification

Obama texts them from Sinai

"no cmdmts now, just got back from vacation. hawaii was awsum! vote 4 obama lol"

117 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:26:59pm

re: #101 Edouard

The timing was clearly a flub. Middle of the night VP announcement, half of America gone to bed and not watching their text messages anymore, some newspapers won't have it in the morning. It was a flub but Obama's camp will probably never explain it.

I'm almost starting to believe that BHO got a bunch of rejections and had to scramble to his "B" list. Biden might be taking one for the team.

118 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:18pm

This is going to get fun!

119 Killer Tomato  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:19pm

The more I think about it, the more I think his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.... choices turned him down and it was Biden by default.

Be that as it may, as I said on the other thread -
Mr. McCain was certainly not my first choice, but tomorrow I'll be at the local campaign office volunteering my time - the first time I've ever done so for a candidate for anything.
I've worked full-time since I was 17 and I've saved so that one day I could retire - not so it could be taken from me and redistributed.
I spent 5 years in uniform defending this country against Communism and I'm sure as hell not going to vote one into the Oval Office, or sit on my ass and watch it happen.

120 nigella  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:23pm

Zombie, I bet Obama was really sweating over those three votes!

121 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:32pm

#80 Clean and Jerk is pretty tight too. :)

122 rightwinger3  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:42pm

re: #80 Cognito

Clean and Jerk, '08

Cog, you better trademark this shit and start printing bumper stickers now otherwise it's all for naught.

123 dhimmishelter  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:42pm

Biden, what a gift. The loquacious senator will be the gift that keeps on giving.

Hewitt, Medved, Laura, Rush, et. al., will have so much tape to run on the musings from this self-absorbed boor that additional narrative on his contradictory rants and ravings will not be necessary.

Barry is even less the empty suit for "change" than I could have ever imagined. Thanks to the "the one" for making such a conventional, losing, choice.

Lloyd Bentsen was a much a better choice for Dukakis, pity he was not available for the messiah. McGovern settled for Sargent Shriver, minus the Kennedyesque attraction. Still did not work. Won't work now. So much for the change we all have been waiting for.

Behold his mighty hand!

Thanks Barry. Best to you and My Belle. Cannot wait to see you lose in November. Biden has inspired me to work harder than ever to keep you and your baby-face in the greatest deliberative body. At least there your radical tendencies are mitigated by 49 others. With any luck you will drop into insignificance, where you belong.

Change? I don't think so.

124 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:27:44pm

re: #100 coquimbojoe

I'll say it again, Ears and Plugs '08.

/ Not really sure it warranted a second go around, but I like it.

Maybe simply Ear-Plugs would be more concise and memorable.

125 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:16pm

re: #60 Pawn of the Oppressor

Obama being the lost, fatherless narcissist he is, perhaps he only looks for himself, wherever he goes.

/zen

That's it! He just chose a father-figure for VP!

126 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:23pm

A good friend of mine, who happens to be very liberal, told me that Democrats always find a way to lose.
Now I know what he's talking about.

127 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:33pm

re: #115 zombie

On the plus side for Obama: Now he's got Delaware's 3 electoral vote locked up!

Plus the hair plug vote.

128 El matamoros  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:46pm

Bhawhawhaw! This is so great, Even the political elites of CNN are trying to figure out "what he brings" to the ticket! well............he is white and he is so clean and well spoken! ROFL!

But seriously, Hes a northerner, hes a libby, hes' NOT a woman OR the Hildebeast, He hates guns, Hes a total D.C. insider who served on the senate for almost 40 frakin years! Even the state he is from is soooo small that is only has 3 electoral votes. He came in FORTH during the primaries, behind even Edwards. He's NOT EVEN FROM A SWING VOTE REGION like the Rust belt or Ohio. its official, Obama is the biggest dope on the planet.
Who gives his advice? OPRAH?

129 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:52pm

Ol' Plugs speaks.

/from the gaping maw hisself

130 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:55pm

re: #114 Cognito

It's worse than that, really. NO papers will have it tomorrow. EVERYONE has gone to bed.

Totally mysterious. If they do explain it, there will probably be some slick and plausible-sounding reason, I'm sure.

I bet they blame some one for jumping the gun. Obama has a habit of blaming others for mistakes and taking no responsibility (OK that goes for most all politicians).

131 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:28:56pm

re: #81 nigella

Are any of you as sick as I am hearing about McCain not knowing how many houses he owns? What on God's green earth does that have to do with being President of the United States?


Please see my #807 on the Veep-1 thread.

132 Killer Tomato  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:29:38pm

re: #128 El matamoros

Who gives his advice? OPRAH?


Clooney

133 arizona9  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:30:06pm

. Maybe they can be called 'Ears and Plugs'? Obama/Biden

Lol. Or Jugs and Plugs?

134 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:30:43pm

How can Obama make such a stupendous gaffe, a foolish maneuver, as nominating a Washington Insider, someone who is part of the problem, as his Veep on a party platform of Change...

That alone gives us a frigging 500 pound bomb to drop on the campaign.

I smell fakery...

135 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:30:46pm

re: #115 zombie

On the plus side for Obama: Now he's got Delaware's 3 electoral vote locked up!

Realwest laid a classy snark to that effect on the last thread as he was signing off.

136 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:30:49pm

re: #130 coquimbojoe

I bet they blame some one for jumping the gun. Obama has a habit of blaming others for mistakes and taking no responsibility (OK that goes for most all politicians).

Sounds likely. An AP story crossed the wire a little bit ago that quoted an anonymous Democratic staffer. But even still -- who cares? It's nothing, until Obama stands on the courthouse steps and speaketh the name.

If that's the reasoning, it's a major miscalculation, in my estimation.

137 Wendya  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:31:22pm

So it's Biden, huh?

Do they ever get tired of losing?

138 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:31:56pm

re: #134 kuffar

How can Obama make such a stupendous gaffe, a foolish maneuver, as nominating a Washington Insider, someone who is part of the problem, as his Veep on a party platform of Change...

That alone gives us a frigging 500 pound bomb to drop on the campaign.

I smell fakery...

His whole history is one of bad choices. He is just following the logical path he set for himself.

139 Irene NYC  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:32:21pm

I still don't get it. They had Caroline Kennedy heading up the VP search committee.

But I'm certainly not complaining.
;)

140 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:33:08pm

Biden on Obama:

Q: But when you were asked, "Is he ready?" you said, "I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."

BIDEN: I think I stand by the statement.

141 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:33:08pm

re: #137 Wendya

Apparently not.

They should've listened to Billary...

142 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:33:19pm

Here's another one: Smug and Plugs

143 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:33:46pm

re: #137 Wendya

So it's Biden, huh?

Do they ever get tired of losing?

The Messiah will not lose! It will be stolen from His Holy Benevolent Gob of Graciousness. Expect all hell to break loose when he does.

144 Cognito  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:13pm

re: #122 rightwinger3

Cog, you better trademark this shit and start printing bumper stickers now otherwise it's all for naught.

I'll retire on the royalties. I'll name my next child "Comment 80."

145 swamprat  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:13pm

Biden is a feint. Nobody is that stupid. He is trying to get McCain to show his cards. I doubt McCain will fall for the bluff. Both sides have some big surprise to reveal at the last minute. That is why they are keeping their running mates a secret until the last hour. I cannot remember when vice-presidential running mates have been kept secret until the last possible moment. If you believe Obama is just now picking a mate, or that McCain has yet to decide; I have a fine selection of bridges to sell you. They are top-choice investments, and are all in good condition. ...Start your own toll bridge! Sell advertising on side-rails! Collect the entire set!

146 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:29pm

re: #143 coquimbojoe

The Messiah will not lose! It will be stolen from His Holy Benevolent Gob of Graciousness. Expect all hell to break loose when he does.

Literally...

147 Inquisitive  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:33pm

re: #100 coquimbojoe

I'll say it again, Ears and Plugs '08.

/ Not really sure it warranted a second go around, but I like it.


Oh it diffently warrants a second go round....I heart tagged it......Love It

148 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:43pm

Joe Biden is like Bud Abbott and Lou Costello in one body.

149 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:50pm

Here's a comment Biden once made about Obama.(spin off link this thread):

"… in order to look tough, he's undermined his ability to be tough, were he president. Because if you're going to go into Pakistan -- which is already our policy by the way, if there's actionable intelligence -- you need actionable intelligence from moderates within Pakistan working with you. Now if you're already going to say I'm going to disregard whatever the country thinks and going to invade, the likelihood you're getting the cooperation you need evaporates. It's a well intended notion he has, but it's a very naïve way of figuring out how you're going to conduct foreign policy."

Biden calls Obama's foreign policy "naive"! Sweet how this Internet thingy works!

150 planetbrian  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:34:54pm

re: #21 MrPaulRevere

I'm thinking McCain will pick either Romney or Pallin for VP. What do you think? If he picked Pallin I think it would a brilliant pick?

151 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:35:03pm

Heaven help us if the Democrats ever get their rear in gear and get behind a real candidate... If they ever get a real candidate.

152 NY Nana  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:35:13pm

re: #114 Cognito

It's worse than that, really. NO papers will have it tomorrow. EVERYONE has gone to bed.

Totally mysterious. If they do explain it, there will probably be some slick and plausible-sounding reason, I'm sure.

Uh, al-NY Times has it online already.


G'nite, all. Sweet dreams.

153 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:35:42pm

re: #126 DesertSage

A good friend of mine, who happens to be very liberal, told me that Democrats always find a way to lose.
Now I know what he's talking about.

One of my LLL friends has been quietly skeptical of the DNC's choice for quite a while, now.

Came a long way from having a Keith Ellison sign in the front yard.

-2 years.

154 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:36:19pm

re: #136 Cognito

Sounds likely. An AP story crossed the wire a little bit ago that quoted an anonymous Democratic staffer. But even still -- who cares? It's nothing, until Obama stands on the courthouse steps and speaketh the name.

If that's the reasoning, it's a major miscalculation, in my estimation.

If they now switch VPs on us at this stage, it will looks even more desperate, bizarre, and blundering. It will seem like they floated Biden as a trial balloon, and when the nutroots imploded with fury, Obama decided to pull the ol' switcheroo. No matter how he would spin it, that's how it would be perceived.

Hence, I think they've got to stick with Biden now. Sorta like Marisa Tomei and the Best Supporting Actress Oscar.

155 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:36:20pm

It's bad enough that Hillary has been upstaged by Obama, now she's been upstaged by Joe Biden!

There's only so much that the woman can take.
There will be fireworks at the convention...for sure!

156 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:36:25pm

re: #150 planetbrian

Just can Palin stand against Biden in a debate... She seems untested in that regard.

157 rightwinger3  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:37:02pm

re: #144 Cognito

I'll retire on the royalties. I'll name my next child "Comment 80."

I'd go for "Comment 80 on the Overnight Open Thread". A little long but that's just me.

158 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:37:43pm

re: #155 DesertSage

Please, please, please....

159 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:38:02pm

re: #148 HelloDare

Joe Biden is like Bud Abbott and Lou Costello in one body.

Actually, Bill Richardson is Lou Costello.

That might be why he grew the goatee.

160 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:38:48pm

re: #140 solomonpanting

Biden on Obama:

Oh, that's fantastic. I can envison the McCain ad already:

"Even Obama's own Vice President thinks Obama is not ready for the job..."

161 Westward Ho  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:39:54pm

Who is Stinky Beaumont?

162 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:39:58pm

re: #159 Noam Sayin'

Actually, Bill Richardson is Lou Costello.

That might be why he grew the goatee.

I thought it was to obscure the incoherent stuff erupting from his mouth.

163 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:40:11pm

re: #148 HelloDare

Joe Biden is like Bud Abbott and Lou Costello in one body.

This thread is on a roll!

164 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:40:47pm

re: #161 Westward Ho

Who is Stinky Beaumont?

Some smelly guy who lives in Texas?

165 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:13pm

So I hit up YouTube and did a straight search for "Joe Biden".

The guy apparently has a habit of dropping vehement criticism and then wandering off on tangents, spewing off-target slogans disguised as policy, in a manner that makes you want to punch his lights out.

The similarity of attitude and delivery between Biden and Reverend Wright is interesting.

166 kuffar  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:32pm

re: #160 zombie

Nice of the Democrats to give us their Ads isn't it...

167 TheMatrix31  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:34pm

You guys are saying Palin would mop up with Biden, so is she considered an awesome speaker/debater or what? I've read about her stances and who she is, which has made me fall in love with the potential of her being picked, but to be honest I've never seen her in a debate or anything.

168 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:37pm

re: #163 zombie

This thread is on a roll!


Because lizards can cut the mustard.

169 Edouard  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:42pm

One big problem for Obama with this pick is that Biden is another one with no executive management experience to speak of. He's been a senator for the large majority of his adult life. So that makes a filled-out ticket of two total non-executives running for our Chief Executive office.

Senators are talkers. They are the Advise and Consent branch and so their job is to talk, not to manage or to delegate on anywhere near a presidential scale. I don't trust senators to be the best quick, pragmatic executive responders to crises or complex, large-scale urgent issues that presidents must sometimes deal with. I must say that for these reasons, because he is a senator, I am still not all that happy with McCain as the top-of-the-ticket Republican.

My main hope now is that McCain picks a governor and not another senator.

170 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:41:55pm

re: #136 Cognito

Sounds likely. An AP story crossed the wire a little bit ago that quoted an anonymous Democratic staffer. But even still -- who cares? It's nothing, until Obama stands on the courthouse steps and speaketh the name.

If that's the reasoning, it's a major miscalculation, in my estimation.

It may be a miscalculation but it could be in Obama's favor if he spins it as "playing the media."

171 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:42:13pm

B.O. knew he was going to lose, so he's throw Biden under the bus in Nov. by blaming him for the loss.

172 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:42:20pm

re: #161 Westward Ho

Who is Stinky Beaumont?

Charles' janitorial alter-ego. He cleans up the place, when it needs cleanin'.

173 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:42:33pm

re: #161 Westward Ho

Who is Stinky Beaumont?

Been here since before registration and you've know idea who Stinky is?

BTW, you wouldn't happened to managed and booked gigs at a certain bar in Grand Forks, ND, would ya?

174 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:43:14pm

Let me try again:

B.O. knew he was going to lose, so he's going to throw Biden under the bus in November, blaming him for the loss.

175 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:43:23pm

How long before the press gets to ask Ol' Plugs questions, preferebly at a 711?

/he doesn't seem to have a campaign staff besides his sister, the Obama self absorbed juggernaut will quickly sedate Biden before they roll him out

176 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:44:08pm

re: #169 Edouard

The one thing McCain has going for him is that he's one of the few Senators who is not a lawyer. I think that's one of the reasons the difference between him and The One was so stark at Saddleback last weekend.

Remember, the Senate is nicknamed "The World's Greatest Deliberative Body" or something like that. Or just another phrase for a whole lotta hot air!

177 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:44:35pm

re: #155 DesertSage

It's bad enough that Hillary has been upstaged by Obama, now she's been upstaged by Joe Biden!

There's only so much that the woman can take.
There will be fireworks at the convention...for sure!

Upstaged by the man who only got 2% of the vote in Iowa no less.

178 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:45:55pm

Has B.O. ever thrown himself under the bus?

179 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:46:00pm

It just doesn't make any sense.

Even Bayh would have made sense. But Joe Biden?

180 elrushbuni  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:46:17pm

That quote from Aristotle is SO appropriate

181 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:46:45pm
182 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:47:10pm

re: #174 Bosch Fawstin

Let me try again:

B.O. knew he was going to lose, so he's going to throw Biden under the bus in November, blaming him for the loss.

Having the humility to admit failure is a trait Obama seems not to possess. Recall when Obama said, "It looks like I'm going to win this thing ..." Other, better quotes exist.

My hunch is that Obama is listening to his advisors who, like him, lack that instinctual understanding of the American psyche (whatever that is.)

183 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:47:22pm

B.O. picking Biden's not the B.O. I know, this man wants to lose and lose big.

184 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:47:43pm

re: #165 Pawn of the Oppressor

So I hit up YouTube and did a straight search for "Joe Biden".

The guy apparently has a habit of dropping vehement criticism and then wandering off on tangents, spewing off-target slogans disguised as policy, in a manner that makes you want to punch his lights out.

The similarity of attitude and delivery between Biden and Reverend Wright is interesting.

/and he's not only fully Bonkey vetted, but irrevocably picked, kind of like Obama himself!

185 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:48:05pm

re: #167 TheMatrix31

You guys are saying Palin would mop up with Biden, so is she considered an awesome speaker/debater or what? I've read about her stances and who she is, which has made me fall in love with the potential of her being picked, but to be honest I've never seen her in a debate or anything.

Palin on Kudlow
Palin on Baarns
Palin thanks the troops

186 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:48:16pm

re: #182 hermeneutics

Having the humility to admit failure is a trait Obama seems not to possess. Recall when Obama said, "It looks like I'm going to win this thing ..." Other, better quotes exist.

My hunch is that Obama is listening to his advisors who, like him, lack that instinctual understanding of the American psyche (whatever that is.)

The word is that even his handlers are sick of his narcissism and call him "ObaME" behind his back.

187 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:48:17pm

re: #108 Killian Bundy

Luddite? The cat's been out of the back for about two hours.

I don't understand how a "wait and see" expression makes me a Luddite in your eyes, but whatever. I think you just like calling me names without actually knowing what they really mean.

I know that Fox/CNN/AP/Yahoo/et al are reporting this tonight, but until I hear a confirmation from the Obama campaign, I will still wait to see...

188 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:48:40pm

re: #186 carbon footprint

The word is that even his handlers are sick of his narcissism and call him "ObaME" behind his back.

Really! That's classic.

189 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:48:56pm

re: #169 Edouard

My main hope now is that McCain picks a governor and not another senator.

Here's hopin'.

190 Bosch Fawstin  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:49:16pm

Biden's quite possibly the biggest blowhard in Washinton, this is a gift for McCain, now he better seriously pick a running that truly clinches it. But being McCain......

191 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:49:24pm

re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth

Agreed. I'll wait before I get too happy.

192 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:49:53pm

In case anyone cares, olympic cycling is tomorrow!

193 saltmarsh  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:50:16pm

So obama picks the typical white guy.
Personally I think he just wanted someone to play Robin to his Batman.

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

duntta duntta
duntta duntta

duntta duntta

dunttaaaa

194 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:50:27pm

re: #188 hermeneutics

Yes, I just read that tonight. I am not sure about it's authenticity, but it is fun to think it is true!

195 Killer Tomato  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:50:38pm

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if this isn’t actually some brilliantly crafted strategy. As long as the Democrats keep losing in close elections, they keep their base energized and in an uproar. They keep the campaign contributions coming in. If they take the House, Senate and White House, they have to start delivering on all the ‘stuff’ they promised. They can’t possibly be so stupid as not to realize the disastrous ramifications their policies would have on the economy, society, the entire freakin planet… So they run the vapid rock star, tick off the Hillary supporters and name Biden to VP, lose the election, rake in the bucks, and still maintain enough power to continue the slow slide towards socialism.
OK, that’s too diabolical even for them. I must need sleep.

196 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:50:38pm

re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth

I agree in many ways. The immediate question that comes to most of our minds is 'how can he be so stupid?'. But, as long as this is the word on the street, I am gonna dive into the deepend of this pool and have fun with it!

197 pat  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:51:15pm

How interesting to learn that Biden hates McCain. Bob "Michelle Said 'Whitey' " Beckel. I am sure McCain finds it interesting also.

198 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:51:16pm

re: #178 Bosch Fawstin

Has B.O. ever thrown himself under the bus?

He's run over his tongue a few times.

199 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:51:59pm

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

This thread on Kos is from a few hours ago:

Tomorrow morning
by kos
Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 08:57:49 PM PDT

This has been the best veep rollout EVER. But alas, all good things must come to an end.

According to a campaign official, the plan is to send out the text message a few hours before Obama's 12pm CT event in Springfield.

Most everyone in the national press corps think that it's Joe Biden. But no one knows, and no one is willing to pull the trigger.

I can confirm reporting by NBC News that Gov. Tim Kaine's associates are saying that Obama did not choose him, although I don't have any first hand accounts.

Sources close to Biden and Bayh have been in lockdown mode.

And is there a better example than this that old media is getting left out in the cold?

Wolf Blitzer on the Situation Room begging viewers to stay tuned so CNN can bring them coverage of a text message.


Brilliant! We've got a lot of campaign a head of us, but this has been the Obama campaign's finest operation thus far.

Kos will be on a rampage tomorrow! Heads will roll!

200 Edouard  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:51:59pm

Biden has wanted to become president and failed to gain any traction in that direction for as long as I can remember. In that regard, as a perennial presidential hopeful loser, he's not too far from Pat Paulsen territory, as far as I'm concerned.

201 Abu Al-Poopypants  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:52:07pm

re: #133 arizona9

. Maybe they can be called 'Ears and Plugs'? Obama/Biden

Lol. Or Jugs and Plugs?

I was going to say Jughead and Plughead, but you beat me.

202 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:52:43pm

re: #191 hermeneutics

Agreed. I'll wait before I get too happy.

It's on every news outlet in the world right now. If it's not true, the Obama camp would have said something by now.
If they wait until tomorrow to deny that it's Biden, they will look even more incompetent then they already are. I tend to believe it's true.

203 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:52:47pm

re: #178 Bosch Fawstin

Has B.O. ever thrown himself under the bus?

He'd better start practicing.

"I am not the Obama that I remember."

204 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:53:37pm

re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth

I know that Fox/CNN/AP/Yahoo/et al are reporting this tonight, but until I hear a confirmation from the Obama campaign, I will still wait to see...

And that make you a Luddite.

/it's been confirmed by a myriad of major sources for at least three hours now, hopefully you're not in charge of anything that operates in real time

205 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:54:02pm

re: #202 DesertSage

It's on every news outlet in the world right now. If it's not true, the Obama camp would have said something by now.
If they wait until tomorrow to deny that it's Biden, they will look even more incompetent then they already are. I tend to believe it's true.

Again, Obama can play this to his advantage if he appears to have fooled the MSM. So I'll wait 'til the mornin'. Not too long.

206 dhimmishelter  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:54:02pm

The word is that even his handlers are sick of his narcissism and call him "ObaME" behind his back.

Are you sure this is done behind his back? I believe this is mandatory behavior and speech for the followers of the chosen One, he who was sent by Providence to redeem us. If you did not emphasize the Oba"me" as part of his manifest destiny, then you would be sent to a re-education camp.

Or to his magical 0-5 mandatory pre-school program for re-education.

207 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:54:12pm

Since Biden voted FOR the Iraq war, we can expect The One to start saying something like "I have consistently said that, had I been in the Senate at the time, I'm sure I would have voted alongside my good friend, Plugs Biden."

208 Moe Katz  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:54:43pm

"Under the bus": official cliche of the 2008 campaign.

209 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:55:04pm

re: #145 swamprat

re: #191 hermeneutics

re: #196 coquimbojoe

Hmmm.... I guess that makes us all Luddites.
/Killian's Theme

210 Boxy_brown  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:55:32pm

re: #161 Westward Ho

Who is Stinky Beaumont?

The fellow who feeds the server squirrels.

211 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:55:46pm

re: #178 Bosch Fawstin

Has B.O. ever thrown himself under the bus?

Would that make him a suicide 'Bamar?

212 SummerSong  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:55:46pm

I hadn't realized, until just now, how much I resent the Dems attempt to brand the word, "hope".

They cannot have it. Hope must always survive.

213 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:56:02pm

re: #200 Edouard

Biden has wanted to become president and failed to gain any traction in that direction for as long as I can remember. In that regard, as a perennial presidential hopeful loser, he's not too far from Pat Paulsen territory, as far as I'm concerned.

Excellent comparison!

214 TnTx13  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:56:09pm

re: #206 dhimmishelter

I wonder - does one kneel or bow in the presence of The One? Will there be an altar call at Invesco Field?

215 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:56:33pm

If it is Biden, I can't imagine how Hillary supporters will react. Next week should be fun to watch.

216 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:57:35pm

re: #204 Killian Bundy

And that make you a Luddite.

You keep using that word...

217 zombie  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:58:22pm

re: #215 hermeneutics

If it is Biden, I can't imagine how Hillary supporters will react. Next week should be fun to watch.

The pro-Hillary protest march outside the convention suddenly takes on more significance.

218 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:58:47pm

The MSM seems to be sourcing AP and CNN and not getting independent confirmation.

219 Boxy_brown  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:59:13pm

The fellow who feeds the server squirrels hamsters... (Same rat different tail.)

220 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:59:14pm

re: #115 zombie

Like I said, he brings nothing to the ticket. This is a big middle finger to the south. They have reverted to Kerry's strategy of writing off the south.

221 tokyobk  Fri, Aug 22, 2008 11:59:40pm

These things are so easy to spin, however.

We all fought a good campaign and said hard things about each other. Now its time to come together... Biden brings experience so we will know how to implement change...blah...yadda

Even Bush I made up the term "Voodoo Economics" to describe Reagan's economics.

222 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:00:05am

re: #205 hermeneutics

IF this isn't true,just think how p!$$*d the MSM is going to be at Obama for pulling a Bigfoot on them and not telling them it's a fake! Nope,I'd say it's a keeper.

By the way,stupid Biden stuff is a dime a dozen. I 'm outta here with this one.:

"John doesn't have a record in the Senate. John's only passed four bills. They're all about post offices. I mean, literally," Biden said. He added, "most freshman senators don't get much done. Don't get much passed. Barack Obama hasn't passed any. There's not a major bill I know with Hillary's name on it."

223 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:00:27am

re: #205 hermeneutics

Again, Obama can play this to his advantage if he appears to have fooled the MSM. So I'll wait 'til the mornin'. Not too long.

Obama wants to fool the MSM, think about what your saying?

CNN, NBC and the New York Times are all reporting that they have confirmed Biden's selection. ABC News has reported Secret Service agents have been dispatched to Biden's home. And the New York Times is reporting "a consensus within the party" that Biden has been selected.

/jump on board for the big Biden trashing or look foolish for waiting

224 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:02:06am

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

225 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:02:34am

re: #224 zombie

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

Wonderful!

Now, didn't Biden say some racially nasty stuff in the past?

226 swamprat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:02:36am

re: #213 zombie

Excellent comparison!


To me, Lieberman had the franchise on that one.

227 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:02:55am

re: #216 Slumbering Behemoth

You keep using that word...

And?

/you use the word Creationist, right?

228 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:02:58am

re: #220 MrPaulRevere

Like I said, he brings nothing to the ticket. This is a big middle finger to the south. They have reverted to Kerry's strategy of writing off the south.

I suspect they really believe the "youth" vote will overtake everyone else and they can afford to piss off the South and the 2nd amendment crowd.

229 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:01am

An unbelievably beautiful night here in Minneapolis; cool air drifting through the porch windows, bringing with it the aroma of a neighbor's dying firepit. Traffic on the nearby highways dwindles as the occasional jake-braking semi accepts the calmer pace, Harleys making their homeward-bound presence known. Crickets chime in for last call on their nighly gang-bang in the cracks of the unwatered lawns. It's 2:00 am. A tired man casts a shadow slightly larger than his dog; sniffing for the latest news on the block. Prostitutes, hearing an imaginary whistle blow, talk of breakfast, drain plastic bottles of cheap rum, and wait for a taxi. Business winds up early tonight, signaling an early winter.

G'night, folks

230 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:05am

re: #150 planetbrian

Pallin is an acceptable, albeit mediocre choice. I'm a big Mitt fan myself.

231 methuseleh  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:17am

Oh, man, this is gonna be rich.

Gaffetastic... Gaffe-out-loud funny... A gaffe a minute... A real gaffe riot... I mean, they've both got the gift of gaffe... They can get together and have a real gaffe-fest... They'll gaffe their asses off... They'll have the first, and last, gaffes (and all the ones in between)...

232 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:24am

re: #224 zombie

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

Well, that takes ALL the tingle out of the morning text messages - the KosKids must be having heart attacks about now.

233 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:31am

re: #222 WayDownSouthInBama

pulling a Bigfoot on them

Haha

Obama/Frozen Gorilla Costume

234 lifeofthemind  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:03:51am

re: #213 zombie

Excellent comparison!

He really does resemble William Jennings Bryan. Lieberman, Romney and Jindal can tag team this vacuous bigoted gas bag.

Be careful going into Kos, you may not be used to seeing that kind of depravity.

235 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:04:04am

For those of you who are doubting that it is Biden, THIS should convince you otherwise.

236 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:04:35am

re: #185 Neo Con since 9-11

Palin on Kudlow
Palin on Baarns
Palin thanks the troops

Thanks! I'll check these out in a bit.

237 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:04:40am

re: #224 zombie

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

GMTA

238 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:04:52am

re: #206 dhimmishelter

I wonder - does one kneel or bow in the presence of The One? Will there be an altar call at Invesco Field?

There a few protocols to remember. (hat tip to Gladiator starring
Russel Crow)
1. Face the emperor with eyes downcast.
2. With rousing cheer, proclaim his divine holiness and rule over the unwashed
3. And...Do not turn your back on him!

Far from an altar call. I suspect that that those not following these divine directives will be the participants in the next battle with the Siberian Tigers and the warrior from Gaul.

I appreciate your sentiment and insight. You are on target. Just think of the divine "O" as Commodus and all will fall into place. "they will love me...", I will love them as my children..." etc.

Works well. Thanks for the thoughts. Dhimmi

239 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:05:26am

The lefties on 5-38 believe that Biden appeals to oldsters and will put Florida in play.

Ridiculous. Florida is quite red.

240 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:05:32am

re: #224 zombie

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

Thanks.

I was getting sick of all this doubting Thomasing going on here. Everyone -- CNN, AP, ABC, Fox and NBC -- independently confirmed this with "Democrats." CNN was the first to confirm. ABC had the original break in the story reporting that the Secret Service had been dispatched to Biden's home -- that was enough for me. That was four hours ago. Still no text message. And the Kos folks are pissed about not getting the text message.

241 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:05:48am

I've never paid any attention to Biden. What's his stance on Israel?

242 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:06:41am

re: #231 methuseleh

Oh, man, this is gonna be rich.

Gaffetastic... Gaffe-out-loud funny... A gaffe a minute... A real gaffe riot... I mean, they've both got the gift of gaffe... They can get together and have a real gaffe-fest... They'll gaffe their asses off... They'll have the first, and last, gaffes (and all the ones in between)...

That would be the Gaffa and the Omegaffe, right?

243 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:06:56am

I distinctly remember Biden making the claim that other than him, the only other candidate in the running qualified for the position is John McCain...

244 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:06:56am

re: #241 funky chicken

I've never paid any attention to Biden. What's his stance on Israel?

I think it is wide.
Are you THE funky chicken at HA as well?

245 lifeofthemind  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:07:05am

re: #241 funky chicken

I've never paid any attention to Biden. What's his stance on Israel?


Rabidly pro arab, a Jimmy Carter wing Democrat

246 LeePro  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:07:14am

re: #167 TheMatrix31

You guys are saying Palin would mop up with Biden, so is she considered an awesome speaker/debater or what? I've read about her stances and who she is, which has made me fall in love with the potential of her being picked, but to be honest I've never seen her in a debate or anything.

Hint:
Intelligence Quotient

247 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:08:08am

re: #243 kuffar

I distinctly remember Biden making the claim that other than him, the only other candidate in the running qualified for the position is John McCain...

OH man, if the McCampaign can find that it will make a GREAT ad.

248 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:08:20am

re: #240 Canadian Guy

Thanks.

I was getting sick of all this doubting Thomasing going on here. Everyone -- CNN, AP, ABC, Fox and NBC -- independently confirmed this with "Democrats." CNN was the first to confirm. ABC had the original break in the story reporting that the Secret Service had been dispatched to Biden's home -- that was enough for me. That was four hours ago. Still no text message. And the Kos folks are pissed about not getting the text message.

Yeah, reported here in Japan about a half hour ago as official.

Its funny seeing their subtitle which should now read

"Change we can believe in, plus Joe Biden"

249 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:08:44am

re: #247 carbon footprint

I just love it when the Democrats write our campaign ads for us.

250 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:09:03am

re: #228 Wendya

I suspect they really believe the "youth" vote will overtake everyone else and they can afford to piss off the South and the 2nd amendment crowd.

It's the same old shit from 2K4 - this campaign is being run by young, stupid kids.

Trey Parker & Matt Stone, secular Prophets of Our Times, nailed it once again: "The worst kind of hippie - the college student hippie!"

I had this professor, and he really opened my mind, man, to see things the way they really are... Yeah...

251 Edouard  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:09:29am

re: #230 MrPaulRevere

Pallin is an acceptable, albeit mediocre choice. I'm a big Mitt fan myself.

She ain't mediocre -- she does have skillz & charisma -- but it might be too soon to pick her in 08. Besides, she has a great opportunity to urge America to begin ANWR drilling if she remains in her seat in Alaska's statehouse, and continues to attract publicity there. She might be derailed from that very worthy focus as McCain's VP choice when so many other tasks would suddenly fill her plate. I look forward to her prime time convention speech.

252 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:09:43am

So over on The One's web site, everyone is invited to send Joe a welcome note!

Lucky Joe! I wonder if he is thinking about backing out...

253 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:09:48am

Biden fulfills just one criteria that I can see. He doesn't outshine Barack. Hard to see how Biden gives Barack cred on foreign policy and the military since Joe criticized Obama so strongly in those areas. Doesn't make any sense to me. Neither does announcing it on the weekend. But what do I know. I never went to Harvard.

254 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:11am

re: #233 tokyobk

Someone better than me at Photoshop needs to make up a poster asking "Which one is the fake"? A (photo of Obama),B (photo of Biden), C (photo of bigfoot costume in freezer),D (ALL OF THE ABOVE.)

255 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:22am

re: #224 zombie

For the remaining doubters, it's absolutely official:

BarackObama.com has confirmed it.

Now, that looks likes the horse's mouth.

256 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:25am

re: #228 Wendya

Good analysis....whenever someone talks of the 'youth vote', I tell them to ask former President McGovern about the youth vote.

257 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:49am

re: #230 MrPaulRevere

Pallin is an acceptable, albeit mediocre choice. I'm a big Mitt fan myself.

She's more than mediocre. She's got the highest approval rating of any governor in America at 90%, she's in favor of drilling in ANWAR, she's effectively fought corruption, she's got executive experience which no one else in the race has, and she brings in the female vote. That's not a mediocre choice that's the best choice McCain could make.

258 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:52am

re: #252 TnTx13

So over on The One's web site, everyone is invited to send Joe a welcome note!

Lucky Joe! I wonder if he is thinking about backing out...

Thinking of backing out? No way! He will eat this sh*t up. For him, this gives his mundane life relevance for a few months.

259 CapitalistTool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:10:54am

re: #195 Killer Tomato

They can’t possibly be so stupid as not to realize the disastrous ramifications their policies would have on the economy, society, the entire freakin planet…

You're joking, right?

260 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:11:35am

re: #244 carbon footprint

Yep, that's me.

Or, um, nope. That's gotta be somebody else, er, yeah.

I didn't do it! :-)

261 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:11:41am

re: #252 TnTx13

So over on The One's web site, everyone is invited to send Joe a welcome note!

Lucky Joe! I wonder if he is thinking about backing out...

"Joe,

Give us Socialism and free stuff or we'll rip out your heart and show it to the mob, before drinking the blood of everyone you love,

Signed,

The mob"

262 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:12:28am

re: #260 funky chicken

Lol, great! I want tell a soul.

263 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:12:36am

re: #227 Killian Bundy

Have I called you a creationist?

264 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:12:52am

Here's the directions for the welcome note:

Welcome the Next Vice President

Barack has chosen Joe Biden to be his running mate.

Take a minute to share a personal note welcoming Joe to our movement for change.

I'm thinking something like "Hi Joe, I've got a dollar left after Barack has taxed me into oblivion. Can I have four quarters for it, please?"

265 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:12:55am

re: #262 carbon footprint

Lol, great! I want tell a soul.

PIMF Won't...duh

266 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:13:12am

re: #251 Edouard

She ain't mediocre -- she does have skillz & charisma -- but it might be too soon to pick her in 08. Besides, she has a great opportunity to urge America to begin ANWR drilling if she remains in her seat in Alaska's statehouse, and continues to attract publicity there. She might be derailed from that very worthy focus as McCain's VP choice when so many other tasks would suddenly fill her plate. I look forward to her prime time convention speech.

Yeah, let her stay in AK for a while longer. She just had a baby too, and I would not have agreed to a heavy travel and work schedule, and evening debates when my kids were babies. Sleep deprivation can make you look foolish sometimes.

267 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:13:34am

re: #261 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Joe,

Give us Socialism and free stuff or we'll rip out your heart and show it to the mob, before drinking the blood of everyone you love,

Signed,

The mob"

Oooh - I like that a lot better than mine!

268 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:13:40am

So, let me get this straight:

During the primaries, Joe Biden attracted a grand total of 2% of the Democrats, and probably 0% of the Republicans;

He represents a state with the fewest possible electoral votes (3), so he adds essentially nothing to the electoral college map;

He's a boring old white guy who insults ethnic minorities;

He's a tedious, washed up party hack who's been trying to run for president since the Mesozoic era and has never gotten the slightest traction;

He's insulted Obama's experience and capabilities on national TV;

...what am I leaving out?

Could it get any better than this?

269 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:14:16am

re: #251 Edouard

I look forward to her speech as well. I confess I haven't done my homework on her, and shall to defer to you on this.

270 solomonpanting  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:14:20am

re: #241 funky chicken

I've never paid any attention to Biden. What's his stance on Israel?

Here's some quotes.

271 rightwinger3  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:14:59am

re: #268 zombie

So, let me get this straight:

During the primaries, Joe Biden attracted a grand total of 2% of the Democrats, and probably 0% of the Republicans;

He represents a state with the fewest possible electoral votes (3), so he adds essentially nothing to the electoral college map;

He's a boring old white guy who insults ethnic minorities;

He's a tedious, washed up party hack who's been trying to run for president since the Mesozoic era and has never gotten the slightest traction;

He's insulted Obama's experience and capabilities on national TV;

...what am I leaving out?

Could it get any better than this?

But...but, he's been vetted!

272 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:03am

re: #268 zombie

You are leaving out that he does not have a semblance of control over his big mouth and rattles off racial slurs?

273 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:12am

re: #268 zombie

A fair enough basis for my early skepticism, is it not?

274 nigella  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:26am

Don't forget Zombie he's only 6 years younger than that old senile guy running for the Republicans.

275 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:29am

re: #245 lifeofthemind

Rabidly pro arab, a Jimmy Carter wing Democrat

wow. Well, Barry wasn't gonna pick somebody pro-Israel, I guess.

Speaking of sleep deprivation, I'm off to bed. g'night!

276 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:44am

Interesting comment on the left blogosphere's veep preference:

KOS, himself, was pushing for Kathleen Sebelius. He deliberately left the likes of Clark, Biden and Schweitzer of the website's VP polls. The buzz (not really) around there a week was that Tom Daschle would be Obama's pick. The actual DailyKos community was for Clark, as were the majority of liberal blogs.

DailyKos - Kathleen Sebelius
Crooks and Liars - Wesley Clark
AmericaBlog - ABB
OneGoodMove - Dennis Kucinich/John Edwards
TalkLeft - Hillary Clinton
Huffington Post - ABHRC

[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]

277 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:15:54am

Now that the Secret Service knows

Now that CNN knows

Now that every network knows

Now that it's been put on the Website

Obama has finally texted the people who were supposed to be the first ones to know.

278 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:10am

re: #275 funky chicken

Good night Funky Chicken!

279 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:16am

re: #265 carbon footprint

:-) hey, it's blog comments, not a term paper

g'night

280 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:17am

re: #263 Slumbering Behemoth

Have I called you a creationist?

That's not what I asked.

/are you a Sharmuta sock?

281 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:18am

re: #268 zombie

The Obama campaign dicks around with its constituents by dropping Biden or saying 'We so fooled you! Biden really isn't the Veep!" They do that and they are toast. Gives Hillary ammunition (unless she is named Veep) and she has a greater chance of taking the Nomination which means a lot of anti-Clintonista Democrats stay home...

282 Price_of_Peace  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:19am

re: #28 Abu Maven

Just Chicken!

283 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:34am

Dear Joe,

I have a hardhre: #268 zombie

So, let me get this straight:

During the primaries, Joe Biden attracted a grand total of 2% of the Democrats, and probably 0% of the Republicans;

He represents a state with the fewest possible electoral votes (3), so he adds essentially nothing to the electoral college map;

He's a boring old white guy who insults ethnic minorities;

He's a tedious, washed up party hack who's been trying to run for president since the Mesozoic era and has never gotten the slightest traction;

He's insulted Obama's experience and capabilities on national TV;

...what am I leaving out?

Could it get any better than this?

He is Catholic (right?) and though also had some wealthy and connected relatives, had a solidly working class background. He is a token.

284 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:16:59am

(from zombie #268)
So, let me get this straight:

During the primaries, Joe Biden attracted a grand total of 2% of the Democrats, and probably 0% of the Republicans;

He represents a state with the fewest possible electoral votes (3), so he adds essentially nothing to the electoral college map;

He's a boring old white guy who insults ethnic minorities;

He's a tedious, washed up party hack who's been trying to run for president since the Mesozoic era and has never gotten the slightest traction;

He's insulted Obama's experience and capabilities on national TV;

...what am I leaving out?
From dhimmi:
Actually, nothing. You hit this out of the park.

Nothing to add. Well done. Debate points for Mitt I hope.

285 MeatPopsicle  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:17:04am

Yup... It's definitely official... Joe Biden

http://donate.barackobama.com/page/smartproxy/www. barackobama.com/images/vp/splash_slp_biden.jpg

*note i linked the picture and NOT the actual donation page... thank you very much!

286 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:17:09am

When the text message finally arrives, this is what it will say:

"Sorry! Barack has thrown the Netroots under the bus. Thank you: come again."

287 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:17:51am
Huffington Post - ABHRC


Anyone But Hillary Rodham Clinton?

288 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:17:55am

re: #277 Canadian Guy

Now that the Secret Service knows

Now that CNN knows

Now that every network knows

Now that it's been put on the Website

Now that my Mother-inLaw who speaks no English knows

Obama has finally texted the people who were supposed to be the first ones to know.

289 swamprat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:17:56am

I think Carl Rove is breaking out the good cognac.

290 pegcity  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:18:01am

the democrats are just like palis never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

I swear unless Mcain picks Satan as his running mate this seems to be a lock

291 Bosch Fawstin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:18:52am

re: #203 zombie

He'd better start practicing.

"I am not the Obama that I remember."

Hahahaha

292 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:18:59am

re: #286 zombie

Message will say "Turn your T.V. on MSNBC".

293 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:04am

re: #268 zombie

...what am I leaving out?

He's a bloviating plagiarizer?

294 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:24am

re: #268 zombie

So, let me get this straight:

During the primaries, Joe Biden attracted a grand total of 2% of the Democrats, and probably 0% of the Republicans;

He represents a state with the fewest possible electoral votes (3), so he adds essentially nothing to the electoral college map;

He's a boring old white guy who insults ethnic minorities;

He's a tedious, washed up party hack who's been trying to run for president since the Mesozoic era and has never gotten the slightest traction;

He's insulted Obama's experience and capabilities on national TV;

...what am I leaving out?

Could it get any better than this?

The only thing that makes sense to me is that the following really is true about Obama & Co.:

1. Obama's political outlook really is a blend of Jimmy Carter and The Nation of Islam.
2. They actually believe their own "McCain is Bush's third term" hype.
3. They are planning on making Iran and Republican "war-mongering" an issue in the debates, with themselves cast as money-saving, hope-bringing saviours.
4. They figure Biden's hard-hitting Bush Hate will be a sop to the Angry Left after having to move to the center for marketability.

It's a very Rolling Stone Magazine kind of choice.

295 lifeofthemind  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:25am

Goodnight ladies

296 Bosch Fawstin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:31am

re: #201 Abu Al-Poopypants


Abu Al-Pooppants, hahahaha

297 swamprat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:38am

Hillary is now getting one of those 3am calls we've been seeing in the ads.

298 MeatPopsicle  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:42am

I wonder when we'll get an EDIT button... i screwed the pooch on the picture link. Sorry!

http://donate.barackobama.com/page/smartproxy/www. barackobama.com/images/vp/splash_slp_biden.jpg


...i guess i coulda used the preview button too

0.o

299 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:19:59am

The Text Message says:

Dear Friend,

Please confirm the following personal information.

For an update on the VP pick, please tune in to your local station for full details.

Thank you.

300 funky chicken  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:20:09am

re: #270 solomonpanting

"Because of our lack of a prevention strategy, we're left with no option here, in my view, but to support Israel in what is a totally legitimate self-defense effort." (Washington, July 16, 2006)

"The outcome [of the Palestinian elections] reflects Palestinian anger and frustration at the Palestinian Authority and Fatah for their corruption, mismanagement, and failure to provide law and order." (January 2006)

"Israel cannot be expected to negotiate with a party that calls for its destruction, engages in terrorism and maintains an armed militia. Hamas must choose: bullets or ballots." (January 2006)

Hmmmm. Joe sounds better than Condi? sad

OK, good night for real.

301 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:20:59am

re: #292 WayDownSouthInBama

Message:

O Hai LOL
Still your BBF?
Srsly, I

302 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:21:42am

re: #268 zombie

Yeah.

/wait for the millions of LLLs who gave up their contact information and credit card number for the promise of getting the first notification by text and will wke up feeling literally raped

303 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:22:32am

Obama, putting the 'O' in overpromise.

304 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:22:54am

This really happened, right. I'm not dreaming. I didn't fall asleep at the keyboard. Obama picked Joe Biden.

305 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:23:20am

re: #88 Noam Sayin'

Dammit, dude. You know I dislilke you, but I had to ding you up for that one.

makes you think he's the VP choice..... (dinged him too. %-)

/white smoke

306 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:23:38am

re: #255 Slumbering Behemoth

Now, that looks likes the horse's mouth.

Yea, but you had to lift up the tail to see it.

307 Bosch Fawstin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:23:59am

re: #296 Bosch Fawstin

Abu Al-Pooppants, hahahaha

[p]oops, Abu Al-PoopYpants, that is.

308 carbon footprint  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:24:04am

Damn, what happened?

Should have been:

Message:

O Hai LOL
Still your BBF?
Srsly, I heart Joe Biden n
u will 2!
LULZ
Don't 4get 2 donate
LOL!

309 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:24:28am

re: #304 HelloDare

This really happened, right. I'm not dreaming. I didn't fall asleep at the keyboard. Obama picked Joe Biden.

Either that or Barry's teleprompter screwed up again and he started winging it.

310 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:24:35am

Obama/Biden '08: The Democratic "dream team" that couldn't pour piss out of a boot if it had instructions printed on the heel...

;-P

311 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:24:44am

re: #304 HelloDare

This really happened, right. I'm not dreaming. I didn't fall asleep at the keyboard. Obama picked Joe Biden.

It did.

312 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:25:47am

Here's the text message

B.O. HERE. FORGOT 2 TELL U I PICKED BIDEN. LOL. PUT ON UR TV.

313 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:26:08am

McCain wakes up in the morning. His aide rushes in and says "Sir, Obama just tapped Biden."

McCain: "Are they that stupid."

And Dick Morris on Fox, direct from the Golden Horse's mouth, Obama screwed the pooch.

314 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:26:25am

re: #309 WayDownSouthInBama

I almost believe it.

315 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:02am

In case there was any doubt...

It's really, really, really, really, really official now.

316 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:21am

And people laughed when I said he would pick the Archbishop of Canterbury.
This is even dumber.

317 pegcity  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:25am

So um is Hilary gonna pull a coup.

I mean who the hell is Biden?

Im sorry im Canadian so i have no idea who this guy is.

318 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:25am

re: #289 swamprat

I think Carl Rove is breaking out the good cognac.

Can't wait to see ol' Karl's take on this one!

319 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:45am

re: #310 talon_262

Obama/Biden '08: The Democratic "dream team" that couldn't pour piss out of a boot if it had instructions printed on the heel...

;-P

I thought he was not going to announce until 10 this morning? What happened?

320 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:27:51am

re: #302 Killian Bundy

Yeah.

/wait for the millions of LLLs who gave up their contact information and credit card number for the promise of getting the first notification by text and will wke up feeling literally raped

Someone needs to float a rumor that a laptop containing all those credit card numbers was lost in an airport by an Obama staffer. And that is has fallen into the hands of either Russian hacker identity fraudsters, or, even better, Republican dirty tricksters.

"Paranoid runs deep...into your life it will creep..."

321 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:28:30am

re: #320 zombie

Evil...

322 Intrepid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:28:31am

Kerri Walsh and Misty May-Treanor could beat Obama/Biden. At least the gals have great abs and can spike the ball like there is no tomorrow!

323 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:28:34am

I'm looking for everything I can find on Biden's policies and I can't make any sense of him at all. He reads like a schizophrenic. Hardass warhawk one minute, touch-feely "feel the Arab's pain" the next... Voted for Iraq but doesn't like the surge... Screw the corporations on one hand, give them a break on the other... What the hell?

At least you could pin down Edwards as a sleazeball ambulance-chaser. I think Biden may just be insane.

324 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:28:48am

I know it's Wiki, but .... even they got it now

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

325 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:29:05am

re: #283 tokyobk

Dear Joe,

I have a hardh

He is Catholic (right?) and though also had some wealthy and connected relatives, had a solidly working class background. He is a token.

And, he's not a threat to Obama in 2012 should he actually win this year. Biden is the old white guy who will shut up and do as he's told.

326 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:29:19am

re: #322 Intrepid

Kerri Walsh and Misty May-Treanor could beat Obama/Biden. At least the gals have great abs and can spike the ball like there is no tomorrow!

AND they love President Bush!

327 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:29:48am

To think, McCain was actually going to start campaigning on weekends.

328 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:29:50am

re: #320 zombie

Fallen into the hands of Karl Rove. Their lives will be monitored.

329 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:30:00am

Within 24 hours, a fund raising appeal will go out to all those disingenuously harvested e-mail addresses.

/anyone want to take the bet?

330 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:04am

These idiots really do believe that they are smarter than us mere mortals.

There's no other possible explanation for their utter foolishness.

331 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:05am

re: #329 Killian Bundy

Within 24 hours, a fund raising appeal will go out to all those disingenuously harvested e-mail addresses.

/anyone want to take the bet?

It now looks like a scam to build a database for other reasons like $$$ and getting out the vote on election day.

332 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:13am

re: #319 galloping granny

I thought he was not going to announce until 10 this morning? What happened?

The final decision leaked to the press about an hour or two ago and has recently been confirmed by the campaign itself on BarackObama.com a little bit ago.

333 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:28am

re: #317 pegcity

So um is Hilary gonna pull a coup.

I mean who the hell is Biden?

Im sorry im Canadian so i have no idea who this guy is.

Hell, I'm an American and I can't really tell him apart from that buffoonish newscaster on the Mary Tyler Moore Show.

334 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:28am

re: #317 pegcity

Im sorry im Canadian so i have no idea who this guy is.

Biden is the single greatest source of global warming in the United States. Grab a dictionary and look under "Socialist Blowhard". His picture should be there providing the flashpan went off.

335 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:33am

re: #323 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm looking for everything I can find on Biden's policies and I can't make any sense of him at all. He reads like a schizophrenic. Hardass warhawk one minute, touch-feely "feel the Arab's pain" the next... Voted for Iraq but doesn't like the surge... Screw the corporations on one hand, give them a break on the other... What the hell?

At least you could pin down Edwards as a sleazeball ambulance-chaser. I think Biden may just be insane.

I think you might call Joe Biden a "company man." One of those career types who parrots whatever the boss' position is at the minute.

336 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:31:38am

Lurking at Kos (carefully) - they are starting to receive their text messages ...

337 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:32:17am

re: #331 Canadian Guy

It now looks like a scam to build a database for other reasons like $$$ and getting out the vote on election day.

DING DING DING...We have a winnah!

338 Intrepid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:32:19am

re: #326 TnTx13

AND they love President Bush!

And they unabashedly showed their love for their country while overseas! And they put their hands over their hearts and even sang the national anthem when it was played after they received their medals!

May-Treanor/Walsh '08!

339 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:32:41am

re: #336 TnTx13

Lurking at Kos (carefully) - they are starting to receive their text messages ...

CNN reported the text messages were sent out about 15 mins ago after Zombie posted the link to B.O.'s site that had the announcement.

340 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:33:01am

re: #337 talon_262

DING DING DING...We have a winnah!

If it worked it would have been historic.

341 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:33:26am

re: #332 talon_262

The final decision leaked to the press about an hour or two ago and has recently been confirmed by the campaign itself on BarackObama.com a little bit ago.

That is really cheesy -

342 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:33:36am

re: #329 Killian Bundy

Within 24 hours, a fund raising appeal will go out to all those disingenuously harvested e-mail addresses.

/anyone want to take the bet?

I'm sure the Obama system administer already has his finger hovering over the "send" button.

343 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:33:46am

re: #339 Canadian Guy

CNN reported the text messages were sent out about 15 mins ago after Zombie posted the link to B.O.'s site that had the announcement.

Don't have the intestinal fortitude to turn to CNN :)

344 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:34:12am

re: #339 Canadian Guy

CNN reported the text messages were sent out about 15 mins ago after Zombie posted the link to B.O.'s site that had the announcement.

Way to go Zombie, mentioned on CNN!

;*)

345 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:34:19am

re: #333 zombie

Hell, I'm an American and I can't really tell him apart from that buffoonish newscaster on the Mary Tyler Moore Show.

Joe Biden, on his best day, could never hold a candle to Ted Baxter...

346 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:34:42am

re: #329 Killian Bundy

Within 24 hours, a fund raising appeal will go out to all those disingenuously harvested e-mail addresses.

/anyone want to take the bet?

re: #331 Canadian Guy

It now looks like a scam to build a database for other reasons like $$$ and getting out the vote on election day.

I think you both are 100% accurate.

347 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:34:59am

re: #339 Canadian Guy

CNN reported the text messages were sent out about 15 mins ago after Zombie posted the link to B.O.'s site that had the announcement.

It is kind of funny that those of us that kept our phone numbers to ourselves knew before the text message went out. LOL.

348 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:35:20am

re: #331 Canadian Guy

It now looks like a scam to build a database for other reasons like $$$ and getting out the vote on election day.

You're a little slow.

/must be from Canada

349 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:35:48am

from Pawn of the oppressor: #268

The only thing that makes sense to me is that the following really is true about Obama & Co.:

1. Obama's political outlook really is a blend of Jimmy Carter and The Nation of Islam.
2. They actually believe their own "McCain is Bush's third term" hype.
3. They are planning on making Iran and Republican "war-mongering" an issue in the debates, with themselves cast as money-saving, hope-bringing saviours.
4. They figure Biden's hard-hitting Bush Hate will be a sop to the Angry Left after having to move to the center for marketability.

It's a very Rolling Stone Magazine kind of choice.
From dhimmi:
Makes very good sense. Good insight and trenchant analysis. Much better than Jann Wenner and his fellow no-nothings from Rolling STONED.
Be careful though, you may be consumed by the Red Sea if you dare cross without the inexorable power of his mighty hand!
Of course, you could always acknowledge how you have always been wrong. Mary Katherine tells us all what to do ( please excuse the advert at the start)
[Link: townhall.com...]

350 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:36:11am

re: #331 Canadian Guy

Are they strapped for cash. I think the McCain camp might regret running on public funds. But Principle counts.

351 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:36:18am

re: #347 galloping granny

It is kind of funny that those of us that kept our phone numbers to ourselves knew before the text message went out. LOL.

I thought accroding to the libs, we're supposed to be Luddites?

/guess who knew you better that you knew yourselves, lefties?

352 LeePro  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:37:00am

re: #306 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Yea, but you had to lift up the tail to see it.

ROTFLMAO!

Good to see you, aboo! Been a while.

353 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:37:20am

So much for that Kansas City Action News station with their Evan Bayh bumper sticker scoop.

354 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:37:23am

re: #351 talon_262

PIMF...I meant, "according".

;-)

355 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:37:37am

Hannity just quoted Biden - "The presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." From several months back, Biden was referring to Obama.

356 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:38:04am

re: #280 Killian Bundy

No, that's not what you asked. So far tonight you have called me an atheist and a Luddite, despite my never having expressed such ideologies. I think you just like picking certain buzz-words out of the ether and applying them to me for no discernible reason.

My response to both of your posts in that regard was "You keep using that word...", as I do not think those words mean what you think they mean when you are applying them to me.

Your response to that:

And?

/you use the word Creationist, right?

Which, in light of you calling me an atheist and a Luddite, I asked if I've ever called you a creationist. Not hard to follow.

/are you a Sharmuta sock?

You are certainly off your nut. I am no sockpuppet, and I don't do sockpuppets. I am The Behemoth, I have always been The Behemoth, I will always be The Behemoth. If you think I am lying, email Charles and ask him.

But please, by all means, don't let that stop you from calling me names and making an ass of yourself. You are, at the very least, amusing in that regard.

/look in the mirror

357 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:39:02am
"I am not running for vice president," [Biden] said in a Fox interview. "I would not accept it if anyone offered it to me. The fact of the matter is I'd rather stay as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee than be vice president."

We live in a time where words do not matter.

A politician can say anything he wants and the opposite later.

And get away with it.

358 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:39:06am

re: #355 galloping granny

Hannity just quoted Biden - "The presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." From several months back, Biden was referring to Obama.

You just know that Rush, Hannity, Beck, and company are gonna have a field day with this come Monday.

359 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:39:08am

OK, the only thing I can figure so far is that Biden's Main Idea is that the United States should never spend money on anything that offends anybody, ever. He seems to be in love with passive, committee-driven measures to deal with any kind of problem.

In short, he's a big fan of Cowardice as national strategy. Now I agree with him on principle that flag-waving war-mongering is deeply repulsive to the human spirit, but at the same time, we have this natural obligation to try and stop good people being killed by bad people. The only time he seems to advocate force for that, is when there apparently won't be any direct consequences for U.S. citizens (read: registered voters).

He voted for blowing up Iraq, until we started taking casualties. He wants to go into Sudan, because we care so much. We stand with Israel, et cetera, but being mean to Iran is bad, BAD, unless we do it through the U.N. with methods proven to have failed elsewhere... And so on...

How I hate these people... Fucking polticians. What if they had an election and nobody came?

360 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:40:09am

We should start a Draft Hillary Independent campaign...

Maybe a bit to underhanded.

361 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:40:15am

re: #349 dhimmishelter

If you want to quote someone's comment, simply click the "quote" link above it, and the computer does all the work for you!

362 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:04am

re: #359 Pawn of the Oppressor

OK, the only thing I can figure so far is that Biden's Main Idea is that the United States should never spend money on anything that offends anybody, ever. He seems to be in love with passive, committee-driven measures to deal with any kind of problem.

In short, he's a big fan of Cowardice as national strategy. Now I agree with him on principle that flag-waving war-mongering is deeply repulsive to the human spirit, but at the same time, we have this natural obligation to try and stop good people being killed by bad people. The only time he seems to advocate force for that, is when there apparently won't be any direct consequences for U.S. citizens (read: registered voters).

He voted for blowing up Iraq, until we started taking casualties. He wants to go into Sudan, because we care so much. We stand with Israel, et cetera, but being mean to Iran is bad, BAD, unless we do it through the U.N. with methods proven to have failed elsewhere... And so on...

How I hate these people... Fucking polticians. What if they had an election and nobody came?

Solid and right on...

363 Bat Boy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:12am

re: #356 Slumbering Behemoth

Sock puppet? Did anyone say 'sock puppet'?

364 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:19am

re: #350 kuffar

Are they strapped for cash. I think the McCain camp might regret running on public funds. But Principle counts.

One really striking thing about the polls is that Obama outspent Hillary 10:1 and still lost the last 6 or 8 states. Last month, Obama spent more on just one ad than McCain spent on his entire campaign - and despite the huge financial disparity his numbers are still sinking and he can't seem to break out of the statistical tie. He just can't bring it - money or no.

365 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:23am

It's going to be a tag team gaffe machine.

366 swamprat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:30am

Rinnngggg!
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367 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:41:30am

age & treachery will beat youth and skill every time.

/history

368 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:43:04am

re: #308 carbon footprint

Damn, what happened?

Should have been:

Message:

O Hai LOL
Still your BBF?
Srsly, I heart Joe Biden n
u will 2!
LULZ
Don't 4get 2 donate
LOL!

maybe BFF?

/i don't txt.... so OMGWTFBBQ! %-)

369 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:43:50am

re: #336 TnTx13

Lurking at Kos (carefully) - they are starting to receive their text messages ...

I've been lurking at the DUmp. People are all excited because they're getting their text messages....even though they know Biden is the VP pick.

You couldn't invent that kind of stupid even if you tried.

370 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:44:06am

re: #364 galloping granny

And just wait till the Debates.

371 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:44:08am

re: #358 talon_262

You just know that Rush, Hannity, Beck, and company are gonna have a field day with this come Monday.

I would hope that somebody would already have an ad with this quote going up on youtube.

372 LeePro  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:45:54am

re: #364 galloping granny

One really striking thing about the polls is that Obama outspent Hillary 10:1 and still lost the last 6 or 8 states. Last month, Obama spent more on just one ad than McCain spent on his entire campaign - and despite the huge financial disparity his numbers are still sinking and he can't seem to break out of the statistical tie. He just can't bring it - money or no.

Now that's HOPE!

373 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:45:56am
Youth is easily deceived because it is quick to hope.

Aristotle

Its contrapositive is true as well:

Age is easily deceived because it is quick to condemn.

me

374 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:46:03am

re: #369 Wendya

I've been lurking at the DUmp. People are all excited because they're getting their text messages....even though they know Biden is the VP pick.

You couldn't invent that kind of stupid even if you tried.

Boy, ain't that the truth! And lurking at those sites is sort of like visiting a very strange zoo ;)

375 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:46:16am

They should let Obama pick two VP's. Go ahead Barack, pick another one.

376 So?  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:46:22am

Hey eh Joe
Where you goin' with that Barack in your hand....

377 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:46:52am

re: #356 Slumbering Behemoth

Are you not an atheist? I'm a Christian who believes in evolution.

/just trying to keep score

378 talon_262  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:46:58am

Obama/Biden '08: Democrats, if you donated to our campaign, there could have been better things you could have done with your money (like use it for toilet paper)...

379 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:47:00am

re: #357 tokyobk

Biden has also said this:

"I'd make a great president. I 'd make a great Secretary of State. I'd make a great vice president."


I see a battle of the ego's brewing....

380 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:47:01am

re: #364 galloping granny

One really striking thing about the polls is that Obama outspent Hillary 10:1 and still lost the last 6 or 8 states. Last month, Obama spent more on just one ad than McCain spent on his entire campaign - and despite the huge financial disparity his numbers are still sinking and he can't seem to break out of the statistical tie. He just can't bring it - money or no.

can't bring what you ain't got....... that's Obanal's problem:
ya gotta run what ya brung, and he ain't brought shit.

he's a lead sled.

/drive the highways, race at Lions!

381 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:48:03am

re: #369 Wendya

I've been lurking at the DUmp. People are all excited because they're getting their text messages....even though they know Biden is the VP pick.

You couldn't invent that kind of stupid even if you tried.

you've never had a brand new 2LT.....

(yes, they can. %-)

382 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:48:33am

re: #379 WayDownSouthInBama

Biden would make a good *all-of-those*.

Of Outer Slobovia.

383 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:49:49am

McPain better flesh out and polish up his Iran policy right now because that's where they're going to try to hit him. He absolutely needs to formulate a big-picture strategy, one that doesn't stink of Bush or Condi. Biden's only consistency has been to howl about Bush, Iraq, and Iran.

384 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:51:43am

re: #383 Pawn of the Oppressor

McPain better flesh out and polish up his Iran policy right now because that's where they're going to try to hit him. He absolutely needs to formulate a big-picture strategy, one that doesn't stink of Bush or Condi. Biden's only consistency has been to howl about Bush, Iraq, and Iran.

All hands on deck.

/you're going to vote for McPain, right?

385 rightwinger3  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:52:01am

re: #381 redc1c4

you've never had a brand new 2LT.....

(yes, they can. %-)

To be fair, I can see Pvt's in their too...(at least right up to the point where Gunny whacks 'em)

386 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:52:23am

Damn, I just read a Kos thread for the first time in over a year.

Sad. Very, very sad. Uninsightful, wish-facts trump reality, goody-two-shoes cheerleaders, complete absence of any sense of humor -- and what they imagine is humor only causes wincing to everyone else, etc. They're like a gaggle of 13-year-old girls, except socialist.

387 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:53:06am

re: #372 LeePro

Now that's HOPE!

That is exactly what I wrote to a friend earlier. And I do not think Joe Biden is going to help matters at all.

388 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:53:18am

re: #376 So?

Hey eh Joe
Where you goin' with that Barack in your hand....

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

389 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:53:37am

Because of the trenchant and succinct analyses and comments by zombie and pawn of the oppressor I feel like I am in a mind-meld.

I have nothing to add that would elucidate or illuminate their comments

For once, I am speechless. Thank you Zombie and Pawn.

And thank you, to the Chosen One for selecting Slow Joe. Be sure to listen to Hugh Hewitt on Monday. Lots of good audio from his couch potato years (redundant) in the Senate
It will be great fun.

dhimmi

390 rightwinger3  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:53:43am

re: #386 zombie

Damn, I just read a Kos thread for the first time in over a year.

Sad. Very, very sad. Uninsightful, wish-facts trump reality, goody-two-shoes cheerleaders, complete absence of any sense of humor -- and what they imagine is humor only causes wincing to everyone else, etc. They're like a gaggle of 13-year-old girls, except socialist.

Zombie, don't forget that they will play a very important role in getting McCain elected this year.

391 shiplord kirel  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:53:48am

A question for GOP insiders:

How did Karl Rove persuade Obama to pick Biden?

The beady-eyed poltroon is heaven's gift to the GOP.

From praising Obama as "clean," to trying to establish regular guy credentials by boasting that he represents a former slave state, Biden has a long history of putting his foot in his mouth in a big way.

392 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:54:07am

Joe not only hurts because he is Biden, but because he isn't Hillary.

393 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:54:09am

Oh, and the format is borderline unreadable.

Actually, you can drop the "borderline."

394 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:54:23am

re: #384 Killian Bundy

All hands on deck.

/you're going to vote for McPain, right?

He's the first Republican I've ever really loathed, but my father did not spend most of his life on the front lines of the Cold War to see a fucking Marxist elected President.

395 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:54:53am

re: #383 Pawn of the Oppressor

McCain can always come back with the fact that Obama sponsored a bill in '07 that if passed would have mandated that all troops would be out of Iraq by March 31st '08. With the way the war is going now, it's hard to defend that position.

396 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:55:10am

re: #381 redc1c4

you've never had a brand new 2LT.....

(yes, they can. %-)

ROFLMAO.

397 Intrepid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:55:25am

What I don't understand is this - if Barack Obama's camp is excited about his VP pick, why did they wait until late Friday night announce it? It's as if they want it to be a non-issue!

Great endorsement for your VP pick there, Barack!

398 American Soldier  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:55:56am

re: #386 zombie

Damn, I just read a Kos thread for the first time in over a year.

Sad. Very, very sad. Uninsightful, wish-facts trump reality, goody-two-shoes cheerleaders, complete absence of any sense of humor -- and what they imagine is humor only causes wincing to everyone else, etc. They're like a gaggle of 13-year-old girls, except socialist.

That's as concise a summation of Dummocrats as I've ever seen. Good phrase, z.
I'm getting to the point where I can't stand the company of Dummocrats. It makes campaigning difficult.

399 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:55:57am

re: #389 dhimmishelter

Little-known fact: zombies have mind-reading capabilities. I hear your thoughts before you even think them.

400 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:56:01am
401 Wendya  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:56:02am

re: #381 redc1c4

you've never had a brand new 2LT.....

(yes, they can. %-)


Well, I did smack down an Ensign once.

402 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:57:56am

re: #393 zombie

Oh, and the format is borderline unreadable.

Actually, you can drop the "borderline."

That site drives me nuts. The design doesn't make any sense. I can't navigate over there. This is one of the few sites that is user friendly. At least to this user.

403 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:58:43am

re: #393 zombie

Oh, and the format is borderline unreadable.

Actually, you can drop the "borderline."

+1. And did you notice how many of them got their little text messages during the mystical 3 AM hour? The "news" must have waked up quite a few little Obamites - bet there are a lot of angry, sleepy minions out there...

404 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 12:59:42am

I gotta go, but I have to say there's feeling of hopey-changy-plugginess now in the air! Its gamey and fabulous!

Obama/Biden - Jackassery on parade! Asshattery on display! Crepluence oozing here and anon! Hubris, thy name is Obama bin Biden! Gaffes are the new black! Hair plugs are now a symbol of power, instead of fading youth and perhaps, manliness. Under the bus is the best place to ride! Arrogance will out! George Hussain Obama can now expect help for the US taxpayer! Glory to Jugs and Plugs '08!

With that, and the end of a live version of Scarlett Begonias, I gotta go.

405 Intrepid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:00:27am

The right-wing 527 folks are probably all schnackered from an over-abundance of champaign. So much material to work with!

406 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:00:40am

re: #403 TnTx13

It is also our 3 AM wake-up call. To prevent him from getting to office.

407 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:00:54am

re: #367 redc1c4

age & treachery will beat youth and skill every time.

/history

Good evening, red !

So I guess that means McCain should pick a VP nominee who is the embodiment of "treachery."

Do you have anyone in particular in mind ?

408 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:01:16am

re: #404 coquimbojoe

ROFLMAO!

409 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:01:30am

re: #400 TheMatrix31

Biden: Presidency Not The Place For On-The-Job Training

Joe will tutor Barack. He will be his Obi-Wan Bidenobi.

410 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:01:55am

re: #359 Pawn of the Oppressor

(snipage occurs)
How I hate these people... Fucking polticians. What if they had an election and nobody came?

then the a$$holes would win.

hold your nose in November & vote early and often.... %-)

411 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:03:06am

re: #385 rightwinger3

To be fair, I can see Pvt's in their too...(at least right up to the point where Gunny whacks 'em)

and some NCO's i had too...... %-)

/career E-4

412 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:03:41am

re: #410 redc1c4

And we must remember - The One hails from Illinois, where the dead also vote...

413 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:03:52am

re: #394 Pawn of the Oppressor

He's the first Republican I've ever really loathed, but my father did not spend most of his life on the front lines of the Cold War to see a fucking Marxist elected President.

Excellent. Just don't queer it with Lieberman, uncle on Romney, make Ol 'Plugs look like a total ass in the debates

/I know little about Palin, but Ol' plugs would have trouble against a woman, middle aged hottie, Alaskan Governor with five children

414 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:04:30am

re: #377 Killian Bundy

Are you not an atheist?

I've never said here on LGF, one way nor the other, what my religious leanings are.

How about this: Why have you felt compelled to call me an atheist through the course of more than a few threads despite my never having declared myself an atheist/theist? Or a Luddite in this thread?

Is there some particular bone you have to pick with me? A grudge that you can only express by attempting to characterize me as you have? Why do you feel the need to label me as such? Have I ever called you a creationist?

I'm a Christian who believes in evolution.

Say it once more, with feeling.

/You like to throw about labels without care or reference, so I'm sure you'll understand why I take your declarations with a certain amount of salt.

415 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:04:39am

re: #407 Temujin

Good evening, red !

So I guess that means McCain should pick a VP nominee who is the embodiment of "treachery."

Do you have anyone in particular in mind ?

i'm not busy, and i used to repo cars in South Central LA......

/as long as i can take the Fifth on personal questions and my background, i'm golden. %-)

416 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:05:13am

re: #391 shiplord kirel

A question for GOP insiders:

How did Karl Rove persuade Obama to pick Biden?

The beady-eyed poltroon is heaven's gift to the GOP.

From praising Obama as "clean," to trying to establish regular guy credentials by boasting that he represents a former slave state, Biden has a long history of putting his foot in his mouth in a big way.

Here's what I think -

Obama has been tanking in a very big way. See my note up above about the amount of money he is pumping into the campaign. And he sticks his foot in his mouth in a huge way almost daily. See the China is better remark of yesterday. I suspect that even the party big wigs that back Obama are starting to see that he might very well lose this thing.

So, if you're a young guy with hopes for the national political stage like Bayh or Kaine, it might very well be that when asked, you turn the guy down. VP choices of the losing candidates usually go nowhere. Dead enders. It might very well be that this decision - supposedly made while he was in Hawai'i a couple of weeks ago - has taken so long because people have been turning him down.

BTW, a high powered PA attorney filed a constitutional challenge to Obama's eligibility day before yesterday. I would not be the least bit surprised to see her walk out of the convention by the end of the week with the POTUS nod.

417 dhimmishelter  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:05:28am

I work on a college campus and I sense that Biden will motivate the youth vote to rock the vote for Obama-Biden.

No, not really. Sort of like spilling carpet tacks in front of the new sidewall tires.

Bad move for the the chosen One., good news for me.

Thank you divine messiah. May you enjoy your life in HIDE park a little bit longer before you torment us again in four years.

Best to all, My best motivation to work for John McCain and Mitt (I hope).
dhimmi

418 LeePro  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:07:13am

re: #404 coquimbojoe

I gotta go, but I have to say there's feeling of hopey-changy-plugginess now in the air! Its gamey and fabulous!

Obama/Biden - Jackassery on parade! Asshattery on display! Crepluence oozing here and anon! Hubris, thy name is Obama bin Biden! Gaffes are the new black! Hair plugs are now a symbol of power, instead of fading youth and perhaps, manliness. Under the bus is the best place to ride! Arrogance will out! George Hussain Obama can now expect help for the US taxpayer! Glory to Jugs and Plugs '08!

With that, and the end of a live version of Scarlett Begonias, I gotta go.

♥ and ⤴DING! ! !

"hopey-changy-plugginess" indeed! ROFLMAO!

419 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:09:14am

re: #417 dhimmishelter

I agree - I'm feeling much more motivated, and if McCain picks Mitt, that'll seal the deal for me!

420 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:09:42am
In 2007, [Biden] described Mr Obama as "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy".

Wait wait wait, it's just sinking in: It was Biden who said that? Biden?

I thought that "gaffe" spelled the immediate and absolute end of his political career. I thought he was laughed off the national stage.

That Joe Biden, of all conceivable people, is Obama's pick?

After pondering it for a minute in silence, I now think picking Biden is the greatest political blunder of the century, so far.

421 neocon hippie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:10:15am

It really is bizarre, isn't it? The whole way this was handled is just so inept.

I really think that he was turned down by Bayh and maybe others who did not want to deep-six their national political aspirations by jumping onto a sinking ship. If you're a relatively young and sane guy like Bayh, it's better to position yourself as a moderate and savior of the party after Hopey McChange's trainwreck. But Biden's an old guy, and this would be like his one last chance to get into the White House. Unlike the other possibilities, he has nothing to lose at this point.

Of course, as has been described above, he adds nothing to the ticket.

All McCain has to do now is nominate a governor: Romney, Pawlenty, or less likely, Palin.

422 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:10:49am

re: #420 zombie

That's one of the reasons that this is such a GREAT choice!

423 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:10:53am

re: #417 dhimmishelter

I work on a college campus and I sense that Biden will motivate the youth vote to rock the vote for Obama-Biden.

No, not really. Sort of like spilling carpet tacks in front of the new sidewall tires.

Bad move for the the chosen One., good news for me.

Thank you divine messiah. May you enjoy your life in HIDE park a little bit longer before you torment us again in four years.

Best to all, My best motivation to work for John McCain and Mitt (I hope).
dhimmi

Greta Van Sustren is on the tube right now - rerun from last night. Talking to Susan Estridge. They are both saying that women are going to be absolutely furious and that they are already getting huge amounts of email from Hillary supporters foaming at the mouth. Heh :)

424 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:11:24am

re: #414 Slumbering Behemoth

I've never said here on LGF, one way nor the other, what my religious leanings are

Well then, I apologize. Are you a Christian?

/Salmantis has come out as a Pagan and that's cool, I called him an atheist and I stand corrected

425 Picayune  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:11:29am

Late to this post, I am asking has any posted yet- that ole Joe WDC POL Biben is: Alxelrod picked, Michelle, Pel/Reed/Howerid Scream approved, and Obama tauted, as the newest acquisition to help them all now rearrange the chairs on the top deck of the USSR Obama Titanic?

They're a Ship of Fools on a kool-aid laden tanker already listing from the ice berg pop that the Polls now revel. (Gergan on 8/21/08- Veep selection needs to give a good bounce/energy - i.e., I translate, the Main man BHO is to weak to pull it off on his own - this is political blood in the water folks)

Did Biden know that Cal Delegation leader US Sen. Fienstein (or is it Boxer, things moving so fast now) is sitting this DNC Convention out (sprained/broken ankle?) who is a close HRC supporter. What does she know about the yet unknown, but perhaps planned for events at the DNC/Denver BASH that makes her duck for cover before the party even starts?

Plausible deniability and all, you know. Something tells me BHO & Co may be deep in dodo in the hall next week, Kazoos and all, while shit is literally hitting fan outside (on the DPD), complements of "Recreate'68, and Green Party Candidate, Cyn McKinny, et al. Best of Luck, Dems.

If so, j'regret! But still, I am LMAO in anticipation! This dire and dark scenario could not happen to a better bunch of leftist twits!

426 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:12:33am

re: #320 zombie

Someone needs to float a rumor that a laptop containing all those credit card numbers was lost in an airport by an Obama staffer. And that is has fallen into the hands of either Russian hacker identity fraudsters, or, even better, Republican dirty tricksters.

"Paranoid runs deep...into your life it will creep..."

LOL! I love your devious mind, Zombie.

427 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:13:20am

re: #420 zombie

Wait wait wait, it's just sinking in: It was Biden who said that? Biden?

I thought that "gaffe" spelled the immediate and absolute end of his political career. I thought he was laughed off the national stage.

That Joe Biden, of all conceivable people, is Obama's pick?

After pondering it for a minute in silence, I now think picking Biden is the greatest political blunder of the century, so far.

Yup. THAT Joe Biden. And that is about the least of the nasty things he has said about Obama. I cannot begin to imagine these two working together peacefully. Obama really impresses me as the sort who doesn't listen well in the first place and holds a grudge for all eternity. I don't exactly see him lending an ear to Joe's foreign policy experience either.

428 Temujin  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:13:26am

re: #391 shiplord kirel

A question for GOP insiders:

How did Karl Rove persuade Obama to pick Biden?

The beady-eyed poltroon is heaven's gift to the GOP.

From praising Obama as "clean," to trying to establish regular guy credentials by boasting that he represents a former slave state, Biden has a long history of putting his foot in his mouth in a big way.

Biden should meditate on the following quote daily :

“A closed mouth gathers no feet.” — Unknown

429 TnTx13  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:14:34am

re: #426 Alberta Oil Peon

I wonder if it's possible to sabotage a teleprompter from long distance. Can't you see The One in the middle of his sermon on the mount, when all of a sudden the teleprompter goes dark? One can only HOPE!

430 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:15:08am

re: #424 Killian Bundy

Well then, I apologize. Are you a Christian?

/Salmantis has come out as a Pagan and that's cool, I called him an atheist and I stand corrected

Isn't that pretty out of line Killian?

431 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:15:48am

re: #423 galloping granny

Please see my post #27. You getting the popcorn ready for the big circus next week? Better double the recipe after tonight. It's going to be a bigger show than I first thought.

432 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:15:59am

re: #425 Picayune

I smell David Axelrod all over this....re: #21 MrPaulRevere

433 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:16:47am

re: #431 WayDownSouthInBama

Please see my post #27. You getting the popcorn ready for the big circus next week? Better double the recipe after tonight. It's going to be a bigger show than I first thought.

I have a long list of wonderful popcorn recipes that I will be posting on Sunday afternoon :) Shall I throw in some dip recipes?

434 zombie  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 1:16:53am