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Associated Press: Biden 'Talks Too Much'

Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:52:36 am PDT

Bitter disappointment just drips from Associated Press writer Ron Fournier’s piece: Analysis: Biden pick shows lack of confidence.

DENVER - The candidate of change went with the status quo.

In picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate, Barack Obama sought to shore up his weakness — inexperience in office and on foreign policy — rather than underscore his strength as a new-generation candidate defying political conventions.

He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate — the ultimate insider — rather than a candidate from outside Washington ...

So the question is whether Biden’s depth counters Obama’s inexperience — or highlights it?

After all, Biden is anything but a change agent, having been in office longer than half of all Americans have been alive. Longer than McCain.

And he talks too much.

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1 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:53:35am

I think the Biden pick shows the obama people have no idea what they're doing.

2 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:53:42am

He likes the sound of his voice.

3 kawabunga  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:54:05am

People in the McCain campaign must be ecstatic.

4 lefty201  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:54:26am

he's obviously smarter than Obama

5 runrabbitrun  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:54:32am

Good thing for the Dems black is 'in' for fall.

6 6pat6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:54:33am

Biden is probably there to baby-sit B-HO. Just thinking...

So much for "change" - a 35-year Senate vet. Never had a real job in his life, I'll bet.

7 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:55:00am

He covered up his only bright spot with Rogaine.

8 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:55:12am

You talk to much!

9 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:55:40am

But in picking Biden the Big ZERO has locked up the Arrogant Douche Bag vote.

[Okay Les, they've got the picture...]

10 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:56:14am
Associated Press: Biden 'Talks Too Much'

Run DNC DMC!

11 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:56:25am

Now watch for the MSM to turn on Obama because they don't want to be taken down when he goes down.

12 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:56:54am

re: #2 BignJames

He likes the sound of his voice.

[Les likes the sound of his own voice too, but he doesn't drone on and on all day like that Bin Biden fellow.]

13 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:00am

re: #6 6pat6

Biden is probably there to baby-sit B-HO. Just thinking...

So much for "change" - a 35-year Senate vet. Never had a real job in his life, I'll bet.

He's been in the Senate since he was 30.

14 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:09am

Biden is....
Old
White
Racist
Establishment
Insider

Other than that what exactly does he bring to the ticket?

15 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:13am

Behold, a campaign not only in disarray, but in complete meltdown. Popcorn, anyone?

16 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:21am

Not even the ap can hide that obama's running scared from the "lack of experience" charge. I think it's pretty obvious that no one is impressed with this pick.

17 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:21am

re: #10 Occasional Reader

Run DNC DMC!

Amazing coincidence. Was playing one of the music channels on cable and that song was just on.

18 runrabbitrun  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:21am

re: #5 runrabbitrun

Good thing for the Dems black is 'in' for fall.

I mean in fashion attire, of course...

19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:49am

re: #9 The Other Les

But in picking Biden the Big ZERO has locked up the Arrogant Douche Bag vote.

[Okay Les, they've got the picture...]

Also, they have secured the Delaware vote, but lost the Hindu vote.

20 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:52am

Out of curiousity, is there a reason why McCain isn't considering Condi Rice as a veep contender?

21 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:59am

re: #17 JammieWearingFool

Hi Jammie!

Howie's column tomorrow is going to be one for the ages....

22 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:11am

Of course, now my boy is walking around saying 'you never shut up'...

23 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:16am

So don't let him talk.
They chose him for his 'gravitas'.
Just have him stand in the back with his white hair plugs looking grave.
(hey whitey - get to the back of the bus lest you get thrown under it)
That wasn't racist - I was referring to his hair.
So nyah.

24 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:19am

re: #14 jcm

Biden is....
Old
White
Racist
Establishment
Insider

Other than that what exactly does he bring to the ticket?

Gravitas, I'm sure.

/really ...

25 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:20am

re: #14 jcm

Biden is....
Old
White
Racist
Establishment
Insider

Other than that what exactly does he bring to the ticket?

Now say that again, with a "slight Indian accent".

26 jorline  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:33am

Quick question...How many feet can Biden fit into his mouth at one time?

27 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:48am

Senator you have stated publicly that Mr. Obama is not ready for on the job training - is that your position?

B- Well that is before my I.Q was lent to the ticket - you do know how smart I am don't you!?!

28 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:58am

re: #21 loppyd

Hi Jammie!

Howie's column tomorrow is going to be one for the ages....

Send me the link in case I forget, or post it in the spinoffs.

29 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:59:14am

re: #14 jcm

Biden is....
Old
White
Racist
Establishment
Insider

Other than that what exactly does he bring to the ticket?

He knows the guy who owns that mount. He can get a discount rental for the next sermon.

30 SpartanWoman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:59:22am

re: #20 hermeneutics

Out of curiousity, is there a reason why McCain isn't considering Condi Rice as a veep contender?

Um, because he's too smart to drag himself down with her on the ticket?

31 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:59:44am

re: #23 Killer Tomato

GMTA! only 3 seconds apart!

32 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:59:58am

Has Obama had his last MSMBJ?

33 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:00:01am

re: #28 JammieWearingFool

Send me the link in case I forget, or post it in the spinoffs.

Will do!

34 akak  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:00:11am

re: #6 6pat6

Biden is probably there to baby-sit B-HO. Just thinking...

So much for "change" - a 35-year Senate vet. Never had a real job in his life, I'll bet.

Continuity of Government that Cheney knows well.

35 trailortrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:09am

re: #1 Sharmuta

I think the Biden pick shows the obama people have no idea what they're doing.

yep

36 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:11am

I suspect the Architect's hand in all of this.

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

37 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:31am

SourceWatch:

Biden claimed that Sen. Hillary Clinton's plan in Iraq would cause "nothing but disaster," that he doesn't "recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic," and that he doesn't think John Edwards "knows what the heck he is talking about" in an interview with The New York Observer. [6]

Will look for the full NY Observer interview.

38 SpartanWoman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:41am

re: #32 maddogg

Has Obama had his last MSMBJ?

Nope! And Biden just unzipped for them too....countdown to fawning praise.

39 gunjam  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:50am

One anecdotal observation: My elderly mother, who tends to vote Dem, likes BOTH McCain and Biden. I am guessing that this choice may have won her vote for Obama. (Just a guess, as I have not yet spoken to her.)

40 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:56am

I went through the fever swamps and the reaction from the Kos Kidz is hilarious.

Little Kos went to bed last night so smugly pompous how Baracky's text message was going to bypass CNN and the old media, only to have CNN break the story and the text message go out hours later.

He's oddly silent now.

41 FightingBack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:02:08am

Fox Breaking News: Biden entered a vehicle and the vehicle drove way. Aerial shots.

42 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:02:22am

And he talks too much.

Typical trial lawyer.

43 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:02:34am

Is it just me or does the fact that we have three Senators running for Prez smack of Ancient Rome? Mount Olympus?

BTW, all Biden needs is some gold chains and he's megasmarmy a door-to-door insurance/time-share salesman.

Bring on THE GAFFES!

44 jorline  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:02:34am

Joe Biden...Did you hear this joke? Two Indians enter a 7-11....

45 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:04am

You know Biden wasn't Obama's first choice. The only question is whether he was 2nd or 3rd choice?

46 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:18am

Smirky and Smarmy - I wish I could take credit but Michelle Malkin beat me to it...

47 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:18am

re: #31 Gang of One

GMTA! only 3 seconds apart!

LOL
So do fools!

48 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:20am

re: #25 Occasional Reader

Now say that again, with a "slight Indian accent".

APU! APU-Bin-Biden!

49 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:24am

re: #40 JammieWearingFool

Jammie,

This is what Kos said about Biden last year

50 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:26am

Senator Biden, are you going to pay for that Slurpee?

51 gunjam  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:38am

re: #36 Gang of One

Love your nick.

52 cactusjack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:49am

The only thing they had against McCain was his age. with this pick, it's now off the table. Biden is only 6 years younger than McCain.

53 6pat6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:53am

re: #34 akak

And JFK with LBJ. It does have precedent beyond what we have now.

54 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:04:08am

re: #50 Gang of One

Senator Biden, are you going to pay for that Slurpee?

Thank you, steal again.

55 runrabbitrun  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:04:46am

re: #13 loppyd

He's been in the Senate since he was 30.

And since Biden is only 6 years younger than McCain, there goes the age charge, else how could Barry think Joe could take over responsibly if necessary in Obama's (heaven forbid) second term?

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:04:50am

re: #44 jorline

Joe Biden...Did you hear this joke? Two Indians enter a 7-11....

Biden needs to seek some forgiveness for that one.

57 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:04:54am

re: #44 jorline


I said coffee - coffee I said! - by the way what is that on your forehead

58 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:04:57am

re: #51 gunjam

Thank you!

59 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:27am

re: #49 loppyd

Jammie,

This is what Kos said about Biden last year

I have it in my roundup.

Kos must be tied up this morning. It's hasn't gone down the memory hole yet.

60 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:30am

re: #20 hermeneutics

Out of curiousity, is there a reason why McCain isn't considering Condi Rice as a veep contender?

* * *
Sec. Rice is a Bush family loyalist and has not held elected office, plus her foreign policy accomplishments, especially in carrying on the charade known as the Middle East Peace process, probably piss off McCain.

McCain doesn't want to be a broker between islamofascists & Israel.

McCain is a strong unapologetic defender of Israel and Democracy.

61 collegeguy85  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:33am

The change he is aiming for is the change towards greater corruption (lobbyists), socialism and disarmament. He is advocating change and Biden is consistent with those principles. The chosen release time of 3 am is to set the claim that he is ready to make key decisions in the middle of the night.
The principal dangers for the Democrats I for-see are the lack of executive experience on either part of the ticket, the video of Biden saying Obama hasn't enough experience and the fact that there isn't a consistent message of "anti-DC establishmentarianism." (my word).

62 FightingBack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:34am

re: #49 loppyd

Jammie,

This is what Kos said about Biden last year

They grind exceeding small.

63 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:36am

re: #41 FightingBack

Fox Breaking News: Biden entered a vehicle and the vehicle drove way. Aerial shots.

White Ford Bronco! Low-speed chase!

64 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:38am

re: #32 maddogg

Has Obama had his last MSMBJ?

What's an MSMBJ?

65 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:49am

re: #43 Sol Roth

Is it just me or does the fact that we have three Senators running for Prez smack of Ancient Rome? Mount Olympus?

BTW, all Biden needs is some gold chains and he's megasmarmy a door-to-door insurance/time-share salesman.

Bring on THE GAFFES!

I mean't running for Executive Branch. Too many super gas bags from Mount Olympus is the idea.

66 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:57am

re: #40 JammieWearingFool

I went through the fever swamps and the reaction from the Kos Kidz is hilarious.

Little Kos went to bed last night so smugly pompous how Baracky's text message was going to bypass CNN and the old media, only to have CNN break the story and the text message go out hours later.

He's oddly silent now.

Let's send 'em a box of razors:)

67 SpartanWoman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:11am

re: #64 MandyManners

What's an MSMBJ?

main stream media blow job

68 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:22am

re: #45 Kenneth

You know Biden wasn't Obama's first choice. The only question is whether he was 2nd or 3rd choice?

Fifth! (fnord)

69 cactusjack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:23am

re: #49 loppyd

oh yeah, I forgot Biden said Obama was "clean". haha. this is great.

70 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:35am

re: #64 MandyManners

Main Stream Media BJ

71 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:36am

re: #61 collegeguy85

The chosen release time of 3 am is to set the claim that he is ready to make key decisions in the middle of the night.

If that's what they were thinking, then they really are idiots.

72 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:44am

With Congress polling the lowest approval ratings ever, why have both parties gone for Senators? Counter-intuitive, if you ask me.

All the more reason McCain needs to pick a governor for VP.

73 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:45am

re: #64 MandyManners

What's an MSMBJ?

/can't believe you couldn't figure that out

74 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:07:02am

re: #63 Occasional Reader

Obnoxious media, wasting helicopter fuel to no useful purpose.

75 NogenDavid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:07:15am

According to scripture, Biden will betray Obama with three gaffes before the cock crows.

Then again, maybe Obama made a good choice. He chose a Veep who is on record as being against Obama, and so can attract the anti-Obama vote to the ticket.

76 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:07:19am

re: #67 SpartanWoman

Oh. Thank you!

77 tankdemon  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:07:24am

re: #45 Kenneth

Who was the first choice? BTW, is there any democrat who is more qualifiedf to become president than Biden? I think Bill Richardson, but other than that, I don't think there is a Dem in the country who could sit in the oval office seem to belong there.

78 trailortrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:07:42am

they could have chosen "greg from accounting" and not gotten as much grief as this choice will bring.

79 jpkoch  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:08:17am

re: #1 Sharmuta

I think the Biden pick shows the obama people have no idea what they're doing.


Which is strange, since it was only a month ago the Talking Heads were so enthralled with Obama's staff. An hour didn't pass without some pundit extolling the power of Team Hope.

80 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:08:22am

re: #78 trailortrash

they could have chosen "greg from accounting" and not gotten as much grief as this choice will bring.

heh!

81 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:08:27am

re: #64 MandyManners

What's an MSMBJ?


MSM-BJ

82 BigFatLion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:08:27am

Okay, here's a crazy, and probably wrong, thought. Maybe he picked Biden to try and reassure the Super Delegates that there will be some leadership on the ticket. That might also explain why it ended up with Biden (I suspect the others turned him down). He's a hairs breath away from losing the nomination to Hillary and is trying to do ANYTHING to hold onto the lead.

83 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:08:37am

re: #78 trailortrash

they could have chosen "greg from accounting" and not gotten as much grief as this choice will bring.

Or Bob from Accountemps...
(I think it's a local commercial)

84 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:20am

re: #44 jorline

Joe Biden...Did you hear this joke? Two Indians enter a 7-11....

* * *
More evidence of democrat hypocrisy.

Macaca ring any bells? One word sunk George Allen the once-upon-a-time Republican presidential wannabee, ex governor of Virginia, who called someone a macaca. Now in the political graveyard, waiting to be rehabilitated.

Whereas, Joe Biden says a whole nasty paragraph about Indian Americans and lives another day.

85 trailortrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:21am

lol

86 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:22am

re: #72 Kenneth

With Congress polling the lowest approval ratings ever, why have both parties gone for Senators? Counter-intuitive, if you ask me.

All the more reason McCain needs to pick a governor for VP.

From all accounts it's Romney or Pawlenty, so there you go.

Romney definitely beats out Biden by a (head of) hair.

87 rb4269  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:24am

re: #63 Occasional Reader

O-Joe !

88 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:45am

If you tie Biden's hands he can't talk.

89 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:50am

Mandy's #64 will go down in history

*duck*
/teasing

90 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:52am

Biden's wife died in a tragic accident, right? Has he ever remarried? I would assume he is not married for this reason...

Michelle OBAMA was very much involved in this decision. I am sure she loves this pick becuase if Biden is not married, she does not have to pretend to "get along" with another wife and the spotlight would never be taken away from her.

91 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:53am

re: #54 loppyd

loppyd, where abouts are you in the Northeast? Cape Cod here. And yes, I plan on reading Howie's column tomorrow!

92 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:10:04am

re: #75 NogenDavid

According to scripture, Biden will betray Obama with three gaffes before the cock crows.

Is Bill Clinton scheduled to speak at the convention?

93 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:10:07am

re: #82 BigFatLion

Okay, here's a crazy, and probably wrong, thought. Maybe he picked Biden to try and reassure the Super Delegates that there will be some leadership on the ticket. That might also explain why it ended up with Biden (I suspect the others turned him down). He's a hairs breath away from losing the nomination to Hillary and is trying to do ANYTHING to hold onto the lead.

The official spin.

Mr. Obama’s selection ended a two-month search that was conducted almost entirely in secret. It reflected a critical strategic choice by Mr. Obama: To go with a running mate who could reassure voters about gaps in his résumé, rather than to pick someone who could deliver a state or reinforce Mr. Obama’s message of change.

Mr. Biden is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and is familiar with foreign leaders and diplomats around the world. Although he initially voted to authorize the war in Iraq — Mr. Obama opposed it from the start — Mr. Biden became a persistent critic of President George W. Bush’s policies in Iraq.

94 tommygum  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:10:18am

BJ=fellatio

95 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:10:37am

re: #78 trailortrash

Or, Alfred E. Neuman

96 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:10:38am

re: #14 jcm

Biden McCain is....
Old
White
Racist
Establishment
Insider

Great job Barry. Now you can only bag on Johnny Mac for his support for the Iraq war - and we've just about got that won.

97 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:00am

re: #90 cblesz

He remarried a decade later and has a daughter by his second wife.

98 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:07am

re: #92 Kenneth

Is Bill Clinton scheduled to speak at the convention?

The better question is...is Monica?

99 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:40am

re: #86 JammieWearingFool

From all accounts it's Romney or Pawlenty, so there you go.

Romney definitely beats out Biden by a (head of) hair.

Please, please, please pick governor Sarah Palin. It would be the smartest pick for McCain...oh, then I guess he won't do it.

100 jill e  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:45am

The power of prayer...I've been praying it would be Biden! WooHoo! Better change the spark plugs on the old gaffe 'o meter!

101 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:45am

This makes for a weird "experience" comparison between Obama and his Veep.

Biden has tons more "experience," but would you want it?

102 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:48am

re: #91 Jetpilot1101

loppyd, where abouts are you in the Northeast? Cape Cod here. And yes, I plan on reading Howie's column tomorrow!

North Shore, baby!

103 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:56am

re: #94 tommygum

BJ=fellatio


BJ= Billy Jeff

104 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:12:52am

re: #97 hermeneutics

He remarried a decade later and has a daughter by his second wife.

Thanks...oh well there goes my theory. I still cannot stand Mrs Obama.

105 trailortrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:06am

got a call from the VA div of the mccain campaign this morning and they asked if i wanted some signs for my yard, i asked "how much?" lol.
i figured it was a sales pitch because they must have gotten my number from my donation, but i was wrong, they are free, so i said send them on :)

106 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:19am

re: #99 cblesz

Please, please, please pick governor Sarah Palin. It would be the smartest pick for McCain...oh, then I guess he won't do it.

What's your reasoning behind 'smartest pick'?
Not being smarmy here, I'm just curious.

107 macintush  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:23am

This ticket is proves the factualnessednessism of evolootion - Obama + Biden = Darwin Award Winners!

108 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:24am

re: #101 Syrah

Experience, like wisdom & judgment, is not transferable.

109 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:34am

McCain's pick isn't going to be Palin, Alaska will be in the "R" column without needing a favorite daughter draw. Look elsewhere.

110 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:37am

re: #90 cblesz

Biden's wife died in a tragic accident, right? Has he ever remarried? I would assume he is not married for this reason...

Michelle OBAMA was very much involved in this decision. I am sure she loves this pick becuase if Biden is not married, she does not have to pretend to "get along" with another wife and the spotlight would never be taken away from her.

He remarried in 1977.

The question was rooted in Biden's occasional gaffes. He had apologized earlier for describing Obama as "articulate" and "clean" in one unguarded episode that was taken by some to have a racial overtone. And he'd had to defend his remark that "you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent."

Biden confronted tragedy five weeks after his first election. In 1972, his first wife, Neilia, and 13-month-old daughter, Naomi, were killed when a tractor-trailer broad-sided her station wagon as she drove home with a family Christmas tree. His sons Beau and Hunt were badly hurt.

He was sworn in from the hospital bedside of one his sons and still won't work on Dec. 18, the date of the accident.

In 1977, Biden married Jill Tracy Jacobs. They have a daughter, Ashley. Both of his sons are lawyers, and the elder son, Beau, was elected state attorney general of Delaware in November.

Biden himself had a close brush with death in February 1988, when he was hospitalized for two brain aneurysms. It was seven months before he could return to the Senate.

Hmm, I wonder what the left will have to say about a running mate that had two brain aneurysms?

111 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:56am

re: #86 JammieWearingFool

From all accounts it's Romney or Pawlenty, so there you go.

Romney definitely beats out Biden by a (head of) hair.

* * *
Romney can run rings around this guy and others, in the sunny regular American guy disposition, easy conversational thoughtful answers, polite and pleasant yet steely principled department.

UNAPOLOGETICALLY loving America, warts & all. What dem is on record as unabashedly, America Love it or Leave it?

112 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:04am

re: #96 Racer X

Great job Barry. Now you can only bag on Johnny Mac for his support for the Iraq war - and we've just about got that won.

Great point!

Biden as far as I can has only worked for 1 year outside elected offices.

113 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:21am

re: #107 macintush

This ticket is proves the factualnessednessism of evolootion - Obama + Biden = Darwin Award Winners!

Must be, 'cause I sure don't see any intelligent design in this choice!

114 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:24am

re: #98 Jetpilot1101

The better question is...is Monica?

She'll be under the podium.

115 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:31am

re: #90 cblesz

Biden's wife died in a tragic accident, right? Has he ever remarried? I would assume he is not married for this reason...

Michelle OBAMA was very much involved in this decision. I am sure she loves this pick becuase if Biden is not married, she does not have to pretend to "get along" with another wife and the spotlight would never be taken away from her.

Ooooohhhh - I like that!

(Makes eminent sense to me!)

116 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:38am

re: #106 Killer Tomato

What's your reasoning behind 'smartest pick'?
Not being smarmy here, I'm just curious.


Look her up. She is a strong, strong conservative...oh and did I say she was a woman? And, she is not bad on the eyes. He would get a large woman vote with the pick also.

117 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:44am

Who did Hillary pick as VP?

Not kidding. She is going to steal the nomination.

118 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:45am

re: #26 jorline

Quick question...How many feet can Biden fit into his mouth at one time?

Just one, but then he promptly swallows it up to his thigh.

119 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:50am

re: #109 Thanos

Who do you think he's going to pick? I still think Lieberman is a nice choice. Could Massachusetts be a swing state?

120 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:15:02am

The best part of all of this is watching MSM cozy up to this creep...listening to Doperman embrace warmly a guy like Biden hammers home just one more time how intellectually dishonest the kooks are as he and his ilk throw a guy like McCain under the bus seemingly ignoring the stench of this foolish selection.

121 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:15:20am

re: #99 cblesz

Please, please, please pick governor Sarah Palin. It would be the smartest pick for McCain...oh, then I guess he won't do it.

* * *
Your rah rah Palin campaign is tiresome.

122 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:15:58am

re: #108 Kenneth

Experience, like wisdom & judgment, is not transferable.

But that's not stopping some at the ap from trying:

Analysis: Is Obama ready for world's toughest job?

Americans picking a president usually turn to people who have run states or armies. The biggest thing Barack Obama has ever run is his own presidential campaign.

But the heart of Obama's sales pitch isn't what he's done. It's who he is.

He wants to be seen as someone who can empathize with people's problems, use his obvious brainpower to come up with solutions and then motivate everyone to work together. Any lack of experience he makes up for with sound judgment, according to this argument.

Exhibit A is Obama's early opposition to invading Iraq. He warned in 2002 that it would be a long, costly diversion from the war against al-Qaida in Afghanistan.

Exhibit B is his personal story. Black father and white mother, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii, a scholar who also spent years helping the poor in Chicago neighborhoods — Obama is a walking billboard for bridging divides.

Those who know Obama best express confidence he can handle the Oval Office. They describe him as calm under pressure, someone who studies all angles, gathers advice from the best people, then makes a decision.

123 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:15am

re: #117 Racer X

Who did Hillary pick as VP?

Not kidding. She is going to steal the nomination.

Angela Lansbury. She's setting up a surprise for the convention.

124 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:19am

re: #102 loppyd

North Shore, baby!

Awesome! Can't wait for Laura, Rush, Howie, Hannity and the rest of the gang on Monday. It's going to be a day for the ages.

125 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:20am

re: #121 alegrias

* * *
Your rah rah Palin campaign is tiresome.

Your lack of intellect is tiresome. Who do you suggest he pick?

126 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:27am

re: #116 cblesz

Oh I know exactly who she is and what she's about. I just wondered why you thought she was who you'd want a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
I think she has a bright future. But I don't think she's ready now.

127 jelo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:33am

re: #32 maddogg

no....mika on msnbc will do him til november!

128 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:35am

re: #97 hermeneutics

He remarried a decade later and has a daughter by his second wife.

Aww - I soo liked that theory!


(Hiya, Hermeneutics!)

129 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:17:05am

re: #110 JammieWearingFool

Hmm, I wonder what the left will have to say about a running mate that had two brain aneurysms?

Hope that he has a long and happy life after losing this race and his next senate race.

130 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:17:36am

Isn't Biden a Super Delegate? Does he still get to cast a vote for the nominee if he is a SD?

131 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:18:30am

re: #130 Sharmuta

Isn't Biden a Super Delegate? Does he still get to cast a vote for the nominee if he is a SD?

It is the Dems, so yeah.

132 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:18:37am

re: #126 Killer Tomato

Oh I know exactly who she is and what she's about. I just wondered why you thought she was who you'd want a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
I think she has a bright future. But I don't think she's ready now.


Romney, Pawlenty are two on the short list. How are THEY "ready" and someone like Palin is not. She is the governor of Alaska, very conservative and drilling, oil is a big issue. She is very much for drilling here and specifically is Alaska.

133 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:18:45am

OT -

It looks like some of us Lizards have been targetted in Il.

Illinois Woman Who Stabbed Lizards Sentenced.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

134 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:18:47am

re: #130 Sharmuta


He is smarmy but is he actually a walking sexual disease? lol

135 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:18:49am

re: #123 JammieWearingFool

Angela Lansbury. She's setting up a surprise for the convention.

I sure hope she doesn't jump out of a cake.

136 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:19:39am

re: #108 Kenneth

Experience, like wisdom & judgment, is not transferable.

Nor are they synonymous.


I mean, . . .

What moron in the Obama camp thought that Biden had any "judgment" that would be an asset to their campaign?

So I must ask . . .

Is Neil Kinnock advising the obama campaign?

137 phillygirl  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:19:47am

I just love Obama's pick. Two elitist ego-maniacs running on the same ticket. It's a gift for McCain. Wonderful news!

138 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:19:48am

re: #123 JammieWearingFool


I think Angela is English......maybe Roseanne Barr?

139 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:19:55am

Maybe Obama is trying to wrap up the creationist vote since his fossil of a pick is roughly 6000 years old and has been in the senate almost as long.

140 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:05am

re: #66 maddogg

Let's send 'em a box of razors:)

Rippy the Razor says it's down the block, not across the street.

141 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:07am

re: #125 cblesz

Your lack of intellect is tiresome. Who do you suggest he pick?

* * *
I'm on record supporting Romney as someone ready to be president from day one.

Palin's a little young in my opinion, and not really a peer to McCain. I'm not interested in choosing a VP based on a fresh face or a gender.

142 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:18am

re: #122 Sharmuta

Again they peddle the bs that Obama was always against the war. From April 2004 to April 2005, Obama supported the war, in particular, he voted to fund private security contractors. This period coincided to within days, the period of time during which Obama's friends Tony Rezko & Nadhim Auchi were involved in a major hydro-electric dam project in Iraq, which, coincidentally, required private security teams.

143 akak  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:23am

re: #126 Killer Tomato

Oh I know exactly who she is and what she's about. I just wondered why you thought she was who you'd want a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
I think she has a bright future. But I don't think she's ready now.

Ability to govern, smart, soften's McCains ticket, draws away from Bush/McCain. Hell anythings better than Lindsay Graham.

144 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:27am

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

OT -

It looks like some of us Lizards have been targetted in Il.

Illinois Woman Who Stabbed Lizards Sentenced.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Ethel died? Fred lives on. Filthy herpeticidal wackjob.

145 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:35am

Biden's gaffes will not hurt BO.

McCain and Biden have very similar off the cuff speaking styles. They come across very similar to how GWB came across before 7 years of media filter telling us how stupid he was.

Biden's "gaffes" will be no more damaging during the campaign then GWBs were or McCain's are. With so much attention paid to what is said during the campaign - and so much air time to fill - it is hard take a simple a mis-statement out of context to make someone look like a fool.

It's after the election that the MSM was able to portray all the recent republican presidents, and some vice presidents, as fools because they would use a sound bite and not much time would be dedicated to understanding the context.

A great example would be Trent Lott's crucifixion for paying a complement to Strom Thurmund at a birthday party a few years ago.

BO's problem is going to be all the past statements made by Biden. Those are going to be run and run again to fill the air between now and election day.

146 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:35am

re: #128 yma o hyd

Aww - I soo liked that theory!


(Hiya, Hermeneutics!)

Isn't is amazing that two people who correspond, though a continent apart, can talk online in real time? ... my (admiring) greetings to you!

147 jamgarr  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:21:08am

re: #135 Racer X

I sure hope she doesn't jump out of a cake.

If you're looking for a cake-jumper you can't go wrong with Erica Elaniac (?sp.)

148 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:21:25am

re: #123 JammieWearingFool

Angela Lansbury. She's setting up a surprise for the convention.

Who's gonna' get killed so that Jessica can solve the mystery?

149 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:22:41am

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

OT -

It looks like some of us Lizards have been targetted in Il.

Illinois Woman Who Stabbed Lizards Sentenced.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hopefully the anger management class was taught by a Komodo Dragon.

150 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:03am

Okay, so isn't Biden up for election as a senator in DE? Will he give up his senate seat or run for both senate and veep concurrently?

And what happens to his seat in the unlikely event that Obama wins? Is someone else appointed by the governor or the party? For the duration of his term (six years)?

151 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:19am

Sup Lizards? Gorgeous day, thought I'd say howdy to my new friends before mowing the lawn.

152 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:37am

With 350 million people in the USA...the Democrats have put up someone with no real experience, a deranged wife who hates America despite all the riches she’s gained from living here, a 20 year member of a Black racist church led by Rev. Wright (who just happened to have married them and baptised their children).

Now Barack Hussein Obama selects someone who’s been in the US Senate since 1972 and twice failed for the White House because he was a proven cheat. Either Obama is a Republican plant or the Democrats have a deathwish.

153 BingoBunny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:41am

I think Biden is a great choice.. he's probably the most sane candidate Obama could come up with.. which isn't saying much when you look over the democrats. But at least it's a opening to America that people can hope the change will be less then Obama prophesied.

/bow down infidel.. our Messiah is passing out manna

154 tankdemon  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:43am

re: #135 Racer X

I think he is refering to Lawrence Harvey with the gun. Haven't you seen the real Manchurian Candidate?

155 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:47am

re: #141 alegrias


I like Romney as well. But, he is also young and unproven. In addition, all of you who claim he is a strong conservative simply have not followed the guys career. Anyone hear about Romney care in Mass? Very poor healthcare program.

Point is, he has as much experience as any of the names on the short list.

156 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:24:20am

re: #150 hermeneutics

Okay, so isn't Biden up for election as a senator in DE? Will he give up his senate seat or run for both senate and veep concurrently?

And what happens to his seat in the unlikely event that Obama wins? Is someone else appointed by the governor or the party? For the duration of his term (six years)?

Biden can run concurrently. If he wins, he has to vacate his seat and I assume the governor of DE gets to appoint a new senator until there is an election.

157 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:24:41am

re: #151 cliffster

Sup Lizards? Gorgeous day, thought I'd say howdy to my new friends before mowing the lawn.


It is a great day! Couldn't have asked for a bigger gift from Barry. Good morning and have a good day...

158 SpartanWoman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:24:44am

re: #155 cblesz

Romney is 60...sixty is young?

159 tankdemon  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:24:59am

re: #152 Maximu§

I like your avatar. Allons

160 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:25:18am

Both Fox and MSNBC coverage: "Biden walking down his driveway.. he's now getting into his car. It's being reported that Obama has finished working out..."

161 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:25:21am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Not even the ap can hide that obama's running scared from the "lack of experience" charge. I think it's pretty obvious that no one is impressed with this pick prick.

Fixed it for ya.

162 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:25:39am

re: #158 SpartanWoman

Romney is 60...sixty is young?


Young in the political world.

163 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:25:49am

Is obambi crazy?

Biden has been in washington longer than McCain has!
How is that change?

What a total dumbass getting pwned by CNN too.

He only did the text thing to get the unlisted cell phone numbers of his followers lol

164 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:25:55am

re: #152 Maximu§

Biden is a cheat?

165 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:00am

re: #158 SpartanWoman

Romney is 60...sixty is young?

Compared to some, yes.

/be careful, young 'un

166 TomH999  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:21am

Biden is a windbag who adds nothing to the ticket! This looks like a major stumble for BHO. Thank God!

167 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:26am

re: #142 Kenneth

The other thing I found funny about that article:

Obama can remind voters of some concrete achievements, in Illinois and Washington.

Really? Name one.

168 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:34am

re: #165 pre-Boomer Marine brat

good one...

169 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:40am

re: #158 SpartanWoman

Romney is 60...sixty is young?

Sixty is the new forty!

170 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:42am

re: #160 cliffster

Both Fox and MSNBC coverage: "Biden walking down his driveway.. he's now getting into his car. It's being reported that Obama has finished working out..."

What's next? Reporting on their bowel movements?

171 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:11am

re: #170 MandyManners

What's next? Reporting on their bowel movements?

On a slow news day, yes.

172 pleaseandthankyou  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:11am

Joe Biden is the single biggest blowhard in Washington. Someone should hook his mouth up to a power generator and tap into the constant flapping of his lips, which would create a new renewable energy source. This was Barack Obama's first important decision as would-be President and he showed extremely poor judgement.

173 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:12am

re: #166 TomH999


He adds plenty of material for John McCain's camp...priceless!

174 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:25am

re: #124 Jetpilot1101

Awesome! Can't wait for Laura, Rush, Howie, Hannity and the rest of the gang on Monday. It's going to be a day for the ages.

Me too!

It's a gorgeous day here....hope you have the same brilliant blue sky on the Cape.

175 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:28am

re: #170 MandyManners

What's next? Reporting on their bowel movements?

You missed that part of the broadcast?

176 apb1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:35am

re: #171 Jetpilot1101

Eh - wonder how Iraq's going?

177 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:48am

re: #170 MandyManners

What's next? Reporting on their bowel movements?

Good God, don't give them any ideas.

178 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:55am

re: #44 jorline

Please enlighten me on the Biden/Indian connection. I'm media challenged. I do know that Obama has courted the Native American vote in this state, and I'd certainly like a few arrows I could shoot at the in-laws to prove his worthlessness.

179 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:01am

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

OT -

It looks like some of us Lizards have been targetted in Il.

Illinois Woman Who Stabbed Lizards Sentenced.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Heck, her ex is lucky, he could have ended up with a Lorena Bobbitt snip.

180 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:13am

re: #160 cliffster

Both Fox and MSNBC coverage: "Biden walking down his driveway.. he's now getting into his car. It's being reported that Obama has finished working out..."

red-hot breaking news from the Fourth Estate, guardians of the Republic, protectors of the Common People, ....

181 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:22am

re: #164 MandyManners

Biden is a cheat?

Plagerizer. Multiple offenses.

182 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:26am

This is really very, very disturbing for me. I actually agree with the AP!
Must need more coffee or something!

183 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:33am

re: #174 loppyd

Me too!

It's a gorgeous day here....hope you have the same brilliant blue sky on the Cape.

We certainly do. I have to work tomorrow but I've been outside all morning and plan on being outside most of the afternoon.

184 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:35am

re: #150 hermeneutics

It varies from state to state, but in most states if he wins both seats the governor will appoint someone to fill the Senate seat temporarily. Then they may need to have a special election at some point. Delaware is a very safe Democrat state.

185 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:37am

...and since it is so beautiful out, the BF and I are off to scout wedding locations.

See you all later!

186 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:52am

Rush had already created a list of quotes from Biden on Friday...Monday is going to be beautiful. I simply wish the MSM would call this pick what it is...a mistake. If Barry had picked one of the "Indians" from seven eleven, they would all be saying it was a great pick.

187 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:01am

re: #132 cblesz

Romney, Pawlenty are two on the short list. How are THEY "ready" and someone like Palin is not. She is the governor of Alaska, very conservative and drilling, oil is a big issue. She is very much for drilling here and specifically is Alaska.

Romney could potentially deliver Michigan and even put Massachusetts in play. Pawlenty could deliver Minnesota.

McCain already has Alaska locked up.

Palin has plenty of time down the road. We've got an election to win here, not a beauty pageant.

188 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:12am

re: #183 Jetpilot1101

We certainly do. I have to work tomorrow but I've been outside all morning and plan on being outside most of the afternoon.

Enjoy!

Lets recap the Howie show Tues pm.

189 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:14am

re: #164 MandyManners

Biden is a cheat?

google BIDEN PLAGERIZE. he admitted doing it in school. During one of his Pres bids he plagerized word for word a speech by British Labor Party leader Neal Kinnock

190 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:15am

”I’ve had a great relationship (with Indian Americans). In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking,”

Biden

191 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:20am

re: #152 Maximu§

Either Obama is a Republican plant or the Democrats have a deathwish.


They are so committed to a blatantly false ideology that it has almost totally inverted their worldview and the way they mentally process information. Thus truths are treated as falsehoods ("Faux News", anyone?) and bad ideas are treated as good ideas.

It's time to call the nice men from the happy home.

192 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:27am

re: #155 cblesz

The choice for McCain just became easier. There is a black hole in the Dem ticket on Economic experience. Romney is the guy. Plus while some have said Romney appears too slick, Biden's smarminess factor makes Romney seem pleasing.

Romney is also very capable of raising $$

193 tankdemon  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:37am

re: #170 MandyManners

They will be broadcasting the acceptance speeches. Same thing, right?

194 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:49am

re: #121 alegrias

* * *
Your rah rah Palin campaign is tiresome.

As is anyone pushing for an northeastern RINO.

195 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:30:02am

Howdy real.

I'm having extra caffeine myself this morning. I keep thinking this is all a dream and that I'm going to wake up - poof! - and Biden will disappear.
;)

196 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:30:22am

re: #188 loppyd

Enjoy!

Lets recap the Howie show Tues pm.

You got it!

197 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:30:49am

re: #178 Cap'n DOC

Please enlighten me on the Biden/Indian connection. I'm media challenged. I do know that Obama has courted the Native American vote in this state, and I'd certainly like a few arrows I could shoot at the in-laws to prove his worthlessness.

Biden made some crack about (mocked) all 7-11 employees being from India.

198 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:31:06am

Coverage from Golden, Co.

I woke up. Went to the bathroom. Brewed a pot of peppermint leaves. Took 6 medications. Went to the bathroom. Petted my parrot. Played my Japanese slot machine for 5 minutes. Went to the bathroom. Drank some tea. Massaged my intestine back throught my hernia. Got two calls from 800 nunbers. Went to the bathroom.

Hey, I'm as pissing good as Obama and Biden on any Sat. morning.

199 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:31:09am

re: #182 realwest

You left the other thread before I could answer your last question

OK, just for entertainment value, I've indicated Romney's political problems with some folks over his being a Mormon; Jinhal is for teaching ID in public schools as part of Science courses.
They all have their faults, but ANY of 'em are MUCH better than Biden.

agreed , and this goes back to a thread from yesterday. You state that I've indicated Romney's political problems with some folks over his being a Mormon

Sad that in this day and age that matters. I recall the flap over Kennedy being Catholic. That was almost 50 years ago! With all the Presidents/ Vice Pres's we've had, Religion has NEVER played a part in them doing a good or poor job, IMHO

200 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:31:27am

re: #145 jester6

Biden's gaffes will not hurt BO.

McCain and Biden have very similar off the cuff speaking styles.
...
Biden's "gaffes" will be no more damaging during the campaign then GWBs were or McCain's are. ...

It depends what the gaffes say about the person. In Biden's case it's that he's an arrogant, condescending, borderline racist elitist. He's an out of touch Washington insider.

201 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:31:43am

Lizards from Michigan ... Does Romney (or his father) really have that great a reputation in MI? Can he really pull Michigan into the Republican column?

202 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:31:57am

re: #187 JammieWearingFool

Romney could potentially deliver Michigan and even put Massachusetts in play. Pawlenty could deliver Minnesota.

McCain already has Alaska locked up.

Palin has plenty of time down the road. We've got an election to win here, not a beauty pageant.


Please. Massachsetts? NO freaking chance. I know it is not a beauty pageant. However, a majority of the voting public view it that way. If we are going to choose the running mate for political purposes (put a state in play), then why not pick a young woman who has the same amount of experience as Romney and Pawlenty? She may not bring a state into play, but she surely adds plenty of the disgruntled Hillary vote simply because she is a woman.

203 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:32:06am

re: #132 cblesz

Romney, Pawlenty are two on the short list. How are THEY "ready" and someone like Palin is not. She is the governor of Alaska, very conservative and drilling, oil is a big issue. She is very much for drilling here and specifically is Alaska.

OK.
But, other than the oil drilling issue, what do you find her qualifications to be?
Yes, she's conservative.
And yes, Alaska is big - real estate wise. Not exactly massively populated though. I used to live there.
Please don't tell me you want her on the ticket just because she's female.

204 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:33:31am

Irene NYC

Plagerizer. Multiple offenses.

Thats what I read also...In 1965 Biden plagiarized while writing a paper as a student at the Syracuse University Law School in a legal methods course which he failed because of that copied paper.

205 apb1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:33:31am

re: #199 sattv4u2

How much of religion really matters, vs. how much the former-gatekeepers SAY it matters? It matters to THEM, in their minds, because it disturbs them...

206 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:33:45am

re: #198 Walter L. Newton

Coverage from Golden, Co.

I woke up. Went to the bathroom. Brewed a pot of peppermint leaves. Took 6 medications. Went to the bathroom. Petted my parrot. Played my Japanese slot machine for 5 minutes. Went to the bathroom. Drank some tea. Massaged my intestine back throught my hernia. Got two calls from 800 nunbers. Went to the bathroom.

Hey, I'm as pissing good as Obama and Biden on any Sat. morning.

I had a half-pound cheeseburger (with Havarti cheese) and fried potatoes for breakfast.

207 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:34:19am

re: #202 cblesz

she surely adds plenty of the disgruntled Hillary vote simply because she is a woman


OK. That's what I thought.

208 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:34:27am

re: #203 Killer Tomato

OK.
But, other than the oil drilling issue, what do you find her qualifications to be?
Yes, she's conservative.
And yes, Alaska is big - real estate wise. Not exactly massively populated though. I used to live there.
Please don't tell me you want her on the ticket just because she's female.

She is a Good Looking female. Makes a difference.

209 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:34:32am

I think the Obama campaign is toast.

On to other concerns...

210 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:34:37am

re: #203 Killer Tomato

OK.
But, other than the oil drilling issue, what do you find her qualifications to be?
Yes, she's conservative.
And yes, Alaska is big - real estate wise. Not exactly massively populated though. I used to live there.
Please don't tell me you want her on the ticket just because she's female.

She is the most conservative between herself, Romney and Pawlenty, period. Romney is going to be accused of flip flopping on abortion and creating a healthcare mess in Massachusetts. Palin being a woman is a bonus.

211 jorline  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:03am

re: #57 wright1

I said coffee - coffee I said! - by the way what is that on your forehead

Archie Bunker Biden...Archhiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

212 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:22am

re: #206 The Other Les

I had a half-pound cheeseburger (with Havarti cheese) and fried potatoes for breakfast.

Thanks TOL, I just decided what I'm having for breakfast.

213 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:28am

re: #189 sattv4u2

google BIDEN PLAGERIZE. he admitted doing it in school. During one of his Pres bids he plagerized word for word a speech by British Labor Party leader Neal Kinnock

Down to "I'm the first one in my family to go to college and my wife is the first one in her family" and "my ancestors were coal miners back in Wales Pennsylvania."

214 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:30am

Obama/Kinnock Biden 08

Yeah. . . .Thats the ticket.

215 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:35am

re: #159 tankdemon

I like your avatar. Allons

Allons forever. That was the one unit I was really proud to serve in.

216 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:46am

re: #205 apb1

How much of religion really matters, vs. how much the former-gatekeepers SAY it matters? It matters to THEM, in their minds, because it disturbs them...

I'll worry about "them" the day they screach about Harry Reid being a Mormon (funny how to them the religious beleifs of "their" people are inconsequential, but a conservatives are)

217 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:53am

Here it is. Biden's slur against Indians (with a camera in his face). Yeah, funny. Imagine if a republican had said this.

218 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:55am

re: #209 Wm T Sherman

I think the Obama campaign is toast.

On to other concerns...

Not quite toast but in sore need of life support. I don't think he'll get much of a bounce out of this decision and quite honestly, I don't think he gets much of a bounce after the convention.

219 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:24am

What an odd couple Obama and Biden make.

Sort of like Paris Hilton and Ernest Borgine.

Hilarity ensues.

220 akak  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:34am

re: #187 JammieWearingFool

Romney could potentially deliver Michigan and even put Massachusetts in play. Pawlenty could deliver Minnesota.

McCain already has Alaska locked up.

Palin has plenty of time down the road. We've got an election to win here, not a beauty pageant.


Yeah picking a VP who could deliver 1 state is much better.

221 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:41am

re: #213 Jim in Virginia

hehehehe ,, you've got it,, Biden not only stole Kinnicks WORDS ,, he stole his ANCESTORS !

222 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:44am

re: #187 JammieWearingFool

Romney could potentially deliver Michigan and even put Massachusetts in play. Pawlenty could deliver Minnesota.

McCain already has Alaska locked up.

Palin has plenty of time down the road. We've got an election to win here, not a beauty pageant.

Bullsh**. As I said on the previous thread, Palin is the ideal candidate. Savvy on energy issues and from an oil rich state that isn't Texas. A hunter and fisherwoman and NRA life member she appeals to us outdoorsy gun clinging types. A woman who has managed to combine family and career who will appeal to the PUMAS. It's not just about wrapping up the votes of a particular state. Palin has appeal all over flyover country and maybe in the coastal states as well. McCain needs to think outside the box here. Polenta as I like to call him is as bland as the taste of my nickname for him and Mitt Headroom is same old same old as well. Palin can appeal to a lot of different constituencies.

223 jorline  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:50am

re: #211 jorline

Archie Bunker Biden...Archhiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Guys like US, we had it made.
Those were the days..........

Everyone....sing along.

224 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:51am

re: #169 hermeneutics

Sixty is the new forty!

As someone who is over 60, I can say with complete confidence - BULLSHIT!

225 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:56am

re: #206 The Other Les

I had a half-pound cheeseburger (with Havarti cheese) and fried potatoes for breakfast.

Oh, you're mean. I've been on a diet for two years. I don't think I've had ANY beef in that time, and cheese (which I could shoot into my veins) only crosses my lips occasionally.

Can't we all just get along. Meany.

226 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #197 rwmofo

Oh. Indian Indians - not Native Americans.

Thanks.

227 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:37:37am

re: #210 cblesz


She does look like she has potential but this is really where you need someone who has been tested - Romney is tough and energetic and he does not say the wrong thing on the trail - he stays on message. Is he perfect? No. But he can be scrappy and believe me, Biden will hit below the belt.

228 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:37:54am

re: #201 hermeneutics

Lizards from Michigan ... Does Romney (or his father) really have that great a reputation in MI? Can he really pull Michigan into the Republican column?

* * *
Romney won the Michigan republican primary this year, so that might be an indicator. McCain won it in 2000 against Bush.

229 FightingBack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:37:59am

re: #217 rwmofo

Here it is. Biden's slur against Indians (with a camera in his face). Yeah, funny. Imagine if a republican had said this.

Macaca

230 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:02am

The problem is that Obama didn't get here because of his national campaigning, it's the ground operations. If HRC had caucused 1/10 as well as Obama, she would be picking her Veep right now. And it would probably be Obama.

231 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:07am

re: #226 Cap'n DOC

Oh. Indian Indians - not Native Americans.

Thanks.

India Indians, not Indian Indians !

232 godfrey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:08am

Presidents whose last names have more than two syllables:

Washington
Jefferson
Madison
Van Buren D
Harrison
Buchanan D
McKinley
Roosevelt D
Eisenhower
Kennedy D

I always bet on one or two syllable names. Stronger. The exceptions are rare.

233 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:12am

re: #224 realwest

As someone who is over 60, I can say with complete confidence - BULLSHIT!

Laughing here. As someone who is in her mid-forties, I can only hope my sixties are as great as my forties.

234 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:38am

I really think Biden is a going to go down as a good choice for BO. This choice is not going to affect dedicated Democratic or Republican voters.

You need to look at this choice through the eyes of those non-ideologue swing voters who want someone "to just shoot straight". They liked GWB against Gore, still voted for GWB against Kerry, and may have voted for McCain for similar reasons. Now they have a reason to consider the Democratic ticket because there VP is not as "nuanced" as Gore, Kerry or BO.

235 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:47am

re: #199 sattv4u2 I agree completely with your sentiments (although I confess to having some reservations about a Muslim POTUS!).

236 Swede  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:39:22am

Obama bin Biden.

237 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:39:49am

re: #219 The Shadow Do

What an odd couple Obama and Biden make.

Sort of like Paris Hilton and Ernest Borgine.

Hilarity ensues.

Not really. Ernest Borgnine has class. And he served in the Navy from 1935 to 1945.

238 CynicalConservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:40:02am

Where's JustMyView? Was looking forward to some head scratching...

239 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:04am

re: #238 CynicalConservative

Where's JustMyView? Was looking forward to some head scratching...

He will defend it with enthusiasm.

True believers never falter.

240 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:08am

re: #222 Colonel Panik

Bullsh**. As I said on the previous thread, Palin is the ideal candidate. Savvy on energy issues and from an oil rich state that isn't Texas. A hunter and fisherwoman and NRA life member she appeals to us outdoorsy gun clinging types. A woman who has managed to combine family and career who will appeal to the PUMAS. It's not just about wrapping up the votes of a particular state. Palin has appeal all over flyover country and maybe in the coastal states as well. McCain needs to think outside the box here. Polenta as I like to call him is as bland as the taste of my nickname for him and Mitt Headroom is same old same old as well. Palin can appeal to a lot of different constituencies.


Thank you. Well said.

241 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:14am

re: #238 CynicalConservative

Where's JustMyView? Was looking forward to some head scratching...

He's under his desk in the fetal position, whimpering.

242 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:16am

re: #237 The Other Les

Not really. Ernest Borgnine has class. And he served in the Navy from 1935 to 1945.

In my eyes, he lost all class credentials when he started publicizing his love for chokin' his chicken.

243 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:31am

"change agent". Love how the MSM have picked up on the Gramscian code words.

244 kcladderman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:34am

re: #237 The Other Les

Not really. Ernest Borgnine has class. And he served in the Navy from 1935 to 1945.

I know I loved that show.
////

245 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:40am

re: #242 maddogg

In my eyes, he lost all class credentials when he started publicizing his love for chokin' his chicken.

Huh?

246 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:45am

re: #241 MandyManners

He's under his desk in the fetal position, whimpering.

Cognito is trying to console him

247 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:57am

re: #242 maddogg

In my eyes, he lost all class credentials when he started publicizing his love for chokin' his chicken.

Hadn't heard about that.

248 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:12am

re: #227 wright1

She does look like she has potential but this is really where you need someone who has been tested - Romney is tough and energetic and he does not say the wrong thing on the trail - he stays on message. Is he perfect? No. But he can be scrappy and believe me, Biden will hit below the belt.


He will have to be very careful with her simply because she is a woman. Hey, may not be right but it is true.

249 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:14am

re: #217 rwmofo

Here it is. Biden's slur against Indians (with a camera in his face). Yeah, funny. Imagine if a republican had said this.

* * *
As I noted elsewhere, ONE Republican said ONE word, "Macaca," to an Indian American opposition researcher Democrat following his campaign around with a camera, and that Republican is toast.

George Allen, anyone, and his macaca moment, trumps his executive experience as Virginia's hugely successful governor and 2 term senator.

Democrats are so hypocritical.

250 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:22am

re: #187 JammieWearingFool

Romney could potentially deliver Michigan and even put Massachusetts in play. Pawlenty could deliver Minnesota.
McCain already has Alaska locked up.
Palin has plenty of time down the road. We've got an election to win here, not a beauty pageant.

Romney and Pawlenty are both way too slick. Romney is OK because he has strong economic credentials. Pawlenty is a weasel, with his condescending "Sam's Club Republican" schtick.

McCain now has the opportunity to put together a ticket that's more forward-looking and "fresh" than the stale/bitter Obama/Biden ticket.

Palin would not be about Alaska, but about 'drill here, drill now'. She'll help win over the PUMA Hillary supporters and may help win in other north-western states.

My favorite is Paul Ryan - young, strong economic credentials, could deliver toss-up state Wisconsin.

251 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:26am

re: #234 jester6

You need to look at this choice through the eyes of those non-ideologue swing voters who want someone "to just shoot straight".

Um, even someone who said Obama was black, articulate fresh and clean" or who made the racist crack about Indians (from India?)?
I think picking Biden was an extremely poor choice for the Dems.

252 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:28am

Someone has already mentioned this, but Apu almost bought it with two brain aneurysms. Dementia anyone?

253 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:33am

re: #246 sattv4u2

Cognito is trying to console him

*snicker*

254 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:08am

re: #202 cblesz

Please. Massachsetts? NO freaking chance. I know it is not a beauty pageant. However, a majority of the voting public view it that way. If we are going to choose the running mate for political purposes (put a state in play), then why not pick a young woman who has the same amount of experience as Romney and Pawlenty? She may not bring a state into play, but she surely adds plenty of the disgruntled Hillary vote simply because she is a woman.

Follow the poll numbers. What was a 23-point edge for Bambi in Massachusetts is down to nine points. Romney was a popular governor there.

When I was up there a few weeks ago, all the Hillary lovers were telling me they're voting for McCain.

I think your hard-on for Palin is clouding your better judgment.

255 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:13am

re: #244 kcladderman

I know I loved that show.
////

Youtube Video

256 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:14am

re: #245 MandyManners

Huh?

he made a comment on one of the morning shows. he said something about still pounding his ,, umm,,,, welll, even at 91 years old

257 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:29am

Thanks Barack! You buried the Clintons and now your digging the hole for yourself.

Good play! What were we lizards worried about?

258 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:50am

re: #239 Syrah

He will defend it with enthusiasm.

True believers never falter.


Boy you ain't a kidding!
The koskids are giving Biden the love over there.
Even though he voted for the war, said obambi wasn't qualified to be pres and the mccain was.

The spinning over there is making me queasy.

259 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:55am

re: #256 sattv4u2

I knew I shouldn't have asked.

260 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:06am

re: #248 cblesz

He will have to be very careful with her simply because she is a woman. Hey, may not be right but it is true.

Biden will make a complete a** of himself in any debate against Sarah Palin and the women voters will nail him for it.

As that Cajun chef used to say "Ah gar-on-tee it!"

261 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:27am

re: #259 MandyManners

I knew I shouldn't have asked.

I wish you hadn't !

262 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:34am

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

263 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:38am

re: #258 Typicalwhitey

Boy you ain't a kidding!
The koskids are giving Biden the love over there.
Even though he voted for the war, said obambi wasn't qualified to be pres and the mccain was.

The spinning over there is making me queasy.

They must have clothes-pins super-glued on their noses.

264 FightingBack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:45am

The brain aneurysms trump McCain's melanoma.
Did they handpick this candidate for us, or what?

265 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:49am

re: #234 jester6

I really think Biden is a going to go down as a good choice for BO. This choice is not going to affect dedicated Democratic or Republican voters.

You need to look at this choice through the eyes of those non-ideologue swing voters who want someone "to just shoot straight". They liked GWB against Gore, still voted for GWB against Kerry, and may have voted for McCain for similar reasons. Now they have a reason to consider the Democratic ticket because there VP is not as "nuanced" as Gore, Kerry or BO.

Right, the Dems are going after the gullible idiot vote.

266 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #237 The Other Les

Not really. Ernest Borgnine has class. And he served in the Navy from 1935 to 1945.

Not a dig at Ernest. Just an odd visual fraught with no meaning.

267 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:53am

re: #256 sattv4u2

he made a comment on one of the morning shows. he said something about still pounding his ,, umm,,,, welll, even at 91 years old

dammit, sattv, now that image in right there in my retinas, following me around.

268 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:45:06am

re: #260 Colonel Panik

Biden will make a complete a** of himself in any debate against Sarah Palin and the women voters will nail him for it.

As that Cajun chef used to say "Ah gar-on-tee it!"

Mccain won't pick Palin (I'm not saying he shouldn't,,, i'm saying he won't)

269 runrabbitrun  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:45:07am

re: #199 sattv4u2


agreed , and this goes back to a thread from yesterday. You state that I've indicated Romney's political problems with some folks over his being a Mormon

Sad that in this day and age that matters. I recall the flap over Kennedy being Catholic. That was almost 50 years ago! With all the Presidents/ Vice Pres's we've had, Religion has NEVER played a part in them doing a good or poor job, IMHO

There's a fraction of (mostly) Evangelical voters who will find Romney's Mormonism unacceptable enough for them to stay home, but their numbers will be far smaller than we saw in the primaries, with the spoiler Huckabee out of the picture. I think those Romney warning flags have been mostly raised by MSM Dem pundits afraid of a ticket lightyears more powerful than their own.

270 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:45:29am

re: #262 rwmofo

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

I bet she rode better !

271 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:45:37am

What is this?

272 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:04am

re: #262 rwmofo

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

You matured early.

273 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:06am

Mandy, here you go..

274 opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:11am

The theme of the Democrats campaign will not be the war. It will be Class Warfare.

McCain can not pick Romney.

Two super rich guys will be a Democrat dream target.

Florida was going to McCain. Maybe not so fast.

Biden has a reputation of being very pro Israel. He may mitigate the unease of Florida Jews toward Obama.

Biden will be an attack dog. McCain needs one too.

One man fills in all sorts of needs for McCain.

275 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:26am

re: #246 sattv4u2
ROTFLMAO! Good one!

276 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:32am

re: #270 sattv4u2

*whack*

277 William  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:36am

Great Joe Biden video:

"You CANNOT go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent ... I'm not joking."

Youtube Video

278 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:11am

Gotta go mow the lousey lawn....:[

Can one of you rich republicans send your hired help over to my house? The maids and butlers are on vacation and my landscaper is on a union strike.

279 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:15am

re: #262 rwmofo

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

When I was 10 I went around rubbing vases hoping she would pop out of one.

280 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:26am

OK - that's the 3rd time this morning that my phone rang and when the machine picked up, the caller hung up.
Maybe I should change the message on the machine?
"I'm Killer Tomato, and I approved this message."
Too short?

281 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:28am

re: #274 opinionated

Who is that one man?

282 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:39am

re: #273 maddogg

Mandy, here you go..

Well, they seemed to have a great time on the set.

283 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:39am

re: #276 MandyManners

The coveted *Whack*!

284 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:43am

re: #274 opinionated
Who is that one man?

285 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:46am

re: #146 hermeneutics

Isn't is amazing that two people who correspond, though a continent apart, can talk online in real time? ... my (admiring) greetings to you!

Yes - its brilliant!
Even if - as just now - some real life in the form of a visitor 'intrudes' ...
They're gone now ...


(Same quality greetings back to you!)

286 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:01am

re: #254 JammieWearingFool

Follow the poll numbers. What was a 23-point edge for Bambi in Massachusetts is down to nine points. Romney was a popular governor there.

When I was up there a few weeks ago, all the Hillary lovers were telling me they're voting for McCain.

I think your hard-on for Palin is clouding your better judgment.

and he is losing by double digits with men....

Now I'm really gone.

Later!

287 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:02am

re: #276 MandyManners

*whack*

WHAAA !?!?!?!?!?

288 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:12am

re: #278 Maximu§

Gotta go mow the lousey lawn....:[

Can one of you rich republicans send your hired help over to my house? The maids and butlers are on vacation and my landscaper is on a union strike.

Go down the the corner by the local home depot and say Trabajo! Trabajo!

289 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:16am

re: #278 Maximu§

Gotta go mow the lousey lawn....:[

Can one of you rich republicans send your hired help over to my house? The maids and butlers are on vacation and my landscaper is on a union strike.

Roseanne Barr has Gerald, her groundskeeper.

290 jill e  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:25am

Happiness is a thing called Joe [from Power Line]

Barack Obama's selection of Joe Biden as his running mate is underwhelming for many reasons, but it affords an opportunity to review a few of the moments that might have provided all the embarrassment a normal man would have needed to escape from public life. Michael Crowley profiled Senator Biden for the New Republic in October 2001, opening with a memorable scene:

It's a bright early October morning on Capitol Hill. Joe Biden is bounding up the steps of the Russell Senate Office Building, wearing his trademark grin. As he makes for the door, he is met by a group of airline pilots and flight attendants looking vaguely heroic in their navy-blue uniforms and wing-shaped pins. A blandly handsome man in a pilot's cap steps forward and asks Biden to help pass emergency benefits for laid-off airline workers. Biden nods as the men and women cluster around him with fawning smiles. Then he speaks. "I hope you will support my work on Amtrak as much as I have supported you," he begins. (Biden rides Amtrak to work every day and is obsessed with the railroad.) "If not, I will screw you badly."

A dozen faces fall in unison as Biden lectures on. "You've not been good to me. You're also damn selfish. You better listen to me..." It goes on like this for a couple of minutes. Strangely, Biden keeps grinning--even fraternally slapping the stunned man's shoulder a couple of times. When we finally head into the building, Biden's communications director, Norm Kurz, turns to me. "What you just witnessed is classic Senator Biden."

Crowley also pointed out one of Biden's characteristic verbal tics, emphasizing the disparity between his jocular tone and his serious intent:
In an odd verbal tic, he routinely interrupts himself to offer the assurance that he's "not being facetious." He opened his May 17 tax cut speech by saying: "I find this the single most fascinating debate I have been involved in in 28 years. I sincerely do. It is not a joke. I am not being facetious." Or when the anti-terrorism bill came up on CNN's "Crossfire" last month: "In full disclosure, I wrote that bill. I'm not being facetious." When "Crossfire" host Bill Press offered Biden the avuncular assurance that "it's really a great bill," Biden pressed on: "No. No. I'm not being facetious. I'm not being facetious when I say that."

San Diego Union-Tribune blogger Chris Reed recalls Biden's 1988 response in Claremont, New Hampshire to a question about his law school record from a man identified only as ''Frank.'' Biden looked at his questioner and said: ''I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do.''

Biden of course couldn't leave it at that. He is not known for his concision or care with the facts. He added that he ''went to law school on a full academic scholarship -- the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship.'' He also said that he ''ended up in the top half'' of his class and won a prize in an international moot court competition. Biden still wasn't done. In college, Biden said, he was ''the outstanding student in the political science department'' and ''graduated with three degrees from college.''

Reed then turns to Biden's subsequent statement on this exchange. At Syracuse College of Law, Biden graduated 76th in a class of 85. He acknowledged: ''I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inacurate.'' Just a slip of memory.

As for receiving three degrees, Biden conceded: ''I graduated from the University of Delaware with a double major in history and political science. My reference to degrees at the Claremont event was intended to refer to these majors -- I said 'three' and should have said 'two.''' His arithmetic was off.

[Read the whole thing at Power Line...]

291 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:38am

re: #279 Colonel Panik

When I was 10 I went around rubbing vases hoping she would pop out of one.

mustrefrainmustrefrainmustrefrain

292 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:39am

re: #279 Colonel Panik

When I was 10 I went around rubbing vases hoping she would pop out of one.

I used to rub sumfin else thinking of her !

293 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:53am

re: #254 JammieWearingFool

Follow the poll numbers. What was a 23-point edge for Bambi in Massachusetts is down to nine points. Romney was a popular governor there.

When I was up there a few weeks ago, all the Hillary lovers were telling me they're voting for McCain.

I think your hard-on for Palin is clouding your better judgment.

* * *
Why Hillary/dem/greenGaia Earth & birthcontrol worshipping supporters would relate to, much less support an Alaskan Drill Here, Drill Now conservative gun toting female with five kids who's a hottie as is Palin, is wishful thinking in my opinion.

Though I wish they would.

294 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:49:06am

re: #291 MandyManners

mustrefrainmustrefrainmustrefrain

I didn't !

295 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:49:25am

re: #279 Colonel Panik

When I was 10 I went around rubbing vases hoping she would pop out of one.

Nope, not going to go thier, I'll pass this on to Earnst.

296 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:49:42am

re: #262 rwmofo

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

Heck, when I was about five I was thinking three-way with her and Catwoman.

297 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:00am

re: #288 Colonel Panik

Go down the the corner by the local home depot and say Trabajo! Trabajo!


LOL, and watch as they stampede towards my Limo...er, pick-up truck.

298 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:11am

Barbara Eden ...shwing!

299 Sizzlack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:12am

Sometimes a look at the front page of the Daily Kos is better than putting on the Comedy Channel. Every single diary on the front page is about Joe Biden, and the Kossacks are falling all over themselves to heap as much praise on him as possible, and spin his selection as damaging to McCain in every way possible. Ahhh to be a moonbat.

300 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:38am

re: #273 maddogg

Mandy, here you go..

I love that. Masturbating keeps you young!

301 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:42am

re: #260 Colonel Panik

Biden will make a complete a** of himself in any debate against Sarah Palin and the women voters will nail him for it.

As that Cajun chef used to say "Ah gar-on-tee it!"

Yes, you don't want another glib talking suit like Pawlenty or Romney going up against Biden. McCain should get some contrast, a straight talking outdoorsy woman like Sarah Palin or a sincere young guy like Paul Ryan who would demolish Biden on economic issues. Anyway, get a Washington outsider!

302 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:49am

re: #292 sattv4u2

I used to rub sumfin else thinking of her !

Ya know, I posted a "sly" reply to this, going in your direction, but You, you had to take it to the max. LOL.

303 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:56am

re: #290 jill e

Talk about being tone-deaf!

304 Cognito  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:58am

re: #246 sattv4u2

Cognito is trying to console him

Yeah. I'm a huge Joe Biden fan, so I would understand....

(Where do you get this trash?)

305 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:51:00am

re: #291 MandyManners

mustrefrainmustrefrainmustrefrain

Don't hold back.. just do it! rubbing vases, rubbing vases, rubbing vases...

306 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:51:31am

re: #299 Sizzlack

Sometimes a look at the front page of the Daily Kos is better than putting on the Comedy Channel. Every single diary on the front page is about Joe Biden, and the Kossacks are falling all over themselves to heap as much praise on him as possible, and spin his selection as damaging to McCain in every way possible. Ahhh to be a moonbat.

Their one great talent is self delusion.

307 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:51:57am

re: #280 Killer Tomato
Hey KT - we've had some calls that stop just before the answering machine get's 'em. When we dial
*69 to get the number of who it was that called, we get a recorded message saying words to the effect that "the last number that called you is not known"
have you been getting any calls like that?

308 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:03am

re: #258 Typicalwhitey

Boy you ain't a kidding!
The koskids are giving Biden the love over there.
Even though he voted for the war, said obambi wasn't qualified to be pres and the mccain was.

The spinning over there is making me queasy.

All of the unpleasant truths will be swept away and remade anew.

For them, reality is only made up of those things that they think will help them.

309 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:07am

re: #152 Maximu§

With 350 million people in the USA...the Democrats have put up someone with no real experience, a deranged wife who hates America despite all the riches she’s gained from living here, a 20 year member of a Black racist church led by Rev. Wright (who just happened to have married them and baptised their children).

Now Barack Hussein Obama selects someone who’s been in the US Senate since 1972 and twice failed for the White House because he was a proven cheat. Either Obama is a Republican plant or the Democrats have a deathwish.

LOL, that' it.
obama is a republican plant.

310 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:09am

re: #299 Sizzlack

Sometimes a look at the front page of the Daily Kos is better than putting on the Comedy Channel. Every single diary on the front page is about Joe Biden, and the Kossacks are falling all over themselves to heap as much praise on him as possible, and spin his selection as damaging to McCain in every way possible. Ahhh to be a moonbat.


Ol' biden is an attack dog don't cha know!
koskids are the biggest friggin hypocrites!

Wonder how ol' kos himself is going to react to this news.

311 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:41am

*shaking head*

312 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:42am

re: #300 FrogMarch

I love that. Masturbating keeps you young!

I don't have a link right now, but I read a study that backs you up. It was more geared to having intercourse, but it all works the same. It's good for your health if you are over 50.

313 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:51am

re: #251 realwest

Those are two great examples to make my point.

He was paying Obama a compliment... if Biden had said that about a white guy it would not have been a big deal. Those middle-of-the-roaders not offended by that comment. Further the MSM reaction to the comment probably earned Biden some sympathy from swing voters.

Same thing about the Indian so-called-Slur. Biden was talking about how his state is very immigrant friendly. And so what if he made a crack about Indians owning all the 7-11s, gas stations and convenience stores. Not only does that statement match the swing-voters real life experience, but it certainly is not offensive to note that a certain immigrant groups use these small businesses as the first step on the ladder up to the middle class.

Make those two statements (in context) to a non-ideologue swing voter and they will not find them offensive. It matches their perceptions of the real world. Not only does it not hurt Biden, it gives him credibility when he talks about something that particular voter does not understand... because they feel Biden "gets it".

It's the same reason McCain can get away with gaffes that would kill a pre-processed politician like Obama or Romney.

314 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #309 nyc redneck

LOL, that' it.
obama is a republican plant.


SOMEHOW.....rove is running his campaign!

315 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:53:33am

re: #304 Cognito

Yeah. I'm a huge Joe Biden fan, so I would understand....

(Where do you get this trash?)

my comment was about you consoling JMV ,, not praising BIDEN ,, BTW ,, here's a Gift Certificate. Invest it ina sense of HUMOR!

316 humpty dumpty was pushed  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:53:50am

It seems Obama has chosen yet another badly flawed father figure to guide his rudderless, inner core. The crazy preacher...now Biden, the egomaniacal party hack/motormouth. Gawd, I almost feel sorry him - 47 years old and still latching on to these nutcases for guidance.

317 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:54:17am

re: #278 Maximu§

Gotta go mow the lousey lawn....:[

Can one of you rich republicans send your hired help over to my house? The maids and butlers are on vacation and my landscaper is on a union strike.

* * *
Silly rabbit, rich republicans own CONDOs which don't require you to mow them personally.

318 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:54:29am

mmmm, coffee and pizza. Go together like Ozzie and Harriet

319 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:54:47am

Sucks to be Hillary.

320 akak  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:55:11am

re: #235 realwest

I agree completely with your sentiments (although I confess to having some reservations about a Muslim POTUS!).

A Muslim POTUS? creepy phrase like hanging chad

If a [bigoted word] takes the office USA won't be the name for very long.

Islami al Amreeka

/nightmares

321 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:55:33am

re: #319 kuffar

Sucks to be Hillary.

She has a 4 year calender, already crossing off the days !@

322 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:55:34am

When Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate, John McCain was still a POW in Hanoi.

McCain spent more time as a POW than Obama has a US Senator.

323 pat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:55:40am

"Mr Biden, how many hair plugs do you have?"
"I'ii get back to you on that."

324 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:56:19am

re: #296 JammieWearingFool

Heck, when I was about five I was thinking three-way with her and Catwoman.

Some of these responses make me laugh...however, some...ummm.

As a very immature 51 year-old, I'd bet she still looks hot today - for someone over....NO! Don't say it!

325 Cognito  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:56:21am

re: #315 sattv4u2

my comment was about you consoling JMV ,, not praising BIDEN ,, BTW ,, here's a Gift Certificate. Invest it ina sense of HUMOR!

Yes, I got the bit about JMV. But the source of the jokey problem was obviously Biden's addition to the ticket.

I just get a little weary of this junk because it's untrue, but if people read it enough they start to believe it.

326 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:56:37am

re: #323 pat

"Mr Biden, how many hair plugs do you have?"
"I'ii get back to you on that."

Have you looked at him? Apparently he is no member of the Hair Club for Men...

327 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:56:47am

re: #281 cblesz

Who is that one man?

Who comes to mind?

Experienced and very successful executive.

Respected for both domestic and security reasons.

Helps win Florida not only because Jews adore him.

Can be even more vicious then Biden as an attack dog.

The VP debate could be exciting enough to charge for viewing.

The Democrats will find not a single video of him ever ridiculing McCain. On the contrary.

So much more.

Who fits that bill?

328 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:56:52am

re: #307 realwest

Hey KT - we've had some calls that stop just before the answering machine get's 'em. When we dial
*69 to get the number of who it was that called, we get a recorded message saying words to the effect that "the last number that called you is not known"
have you been getting any calls like that?

yip

329 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:57:09am

re: #321 sattv4u2

She has a 4 year calender, already crossing off the days !@

Even if Obama wins, she'll probably still run in 2012 primaries

330 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:57:36am

Getting hair plugs is more honest than touching your hair up with fake silver to appear mature.

331 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:57:48am

re: #327 Opinionated

Who comes to mind?

Experienced and very successful executive.

Respected for both domestic and security reasons.

Helps win Florida not only because Jews adore him.

Can be even more vicious then Biden as an attack dog.

The VP debate could be exciting enough to charge for viewing.

The Democrats will find not a single video of him ever ridiculing McCain. On the contrary.

So much more.

Who fits that bill?

This isn't a freaking game show...just tell us. I am assuming you are referring to Lieberman...BAD, BAD choice if that is it.

332 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:57:51am

re: #316 humpty dumpty was pushed

It seems Obama has chosen yet another badly flawed father figure to guide his rudderless, inner core. The crazy preacher...now Biden, the egomaniacal party hack/motormouth. Gawd, I almost feel sorry him - 47 years old and still latching on to these nutcases for guidance.

BINGO! A thousand updings for that insight! Something about Obama that is fatally attracted to angry old lefty men...

333 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:04am

re: #265 Peter Verkooijen
re: #265 Peter Verkooijen

Right, the Dems are going after the gullible idiot vote.

I wouldn't consider the swing voters who voted for GWB gullible. As a matter of fact, I would consider them much more thoughtful then most voters on either side who vote straight ticket. These people actually think about who they are going to vote for. There are not a lot of them out there but it only takes 2% or 3% points to win an election.

The election is really about appealing to that %5 or %10 who might switch parties. Most of the people who claim they are undecided just haven't checked who is in what party yet - they vote ticket/ideology anyway.

334 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:06am

re: #322 Kenneth

re: #323 pat

If the number of houses Mccain has comes up in the debates, McCain should look Obama square in the eyes and say
" I have one house for every year I spent in the Hanoi Hilton. I have as many rooms in each house as the number of teeth of mine the Vietnamese captors broke. I have as many bathrooms in each house as the number of my bones they broke! "

335 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:37am

re: #330 MandyManners

Getting hair plugs is more honest than touching your hair up with fake silver to appear mature.

I know!  Has anyone noticed that about Obama...he got the just for men "touch of grey" going...

336 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:40am

re: #296 JammieWearingFool When you were FIVE?!
Uh, Jammie, you know you're my friend, but I mean come on.........FIVE?
Shoot I was four, myself!
/

337 kevinmumaw  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:41am

OT: Obama to amend report on $800,000 in spending

I started following the links...This could be huge. Looks like Obama is complicit in setting up an illegal left-wing slush fund, and is actually still doing it. Michelle Malkin has a lot on this, but admittedly I did not pay much attention until today. Change my ass.

338 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:57am

Can just see the Political Cartoon - Two Cannons, Named Obama and Biden, rolling on the deck of the "Man 'o War" Democratic Party. Oh, and Charles - saw the "Roundy Corners" yesterday using FF and wondered if I had a browser problem. Went back in with IE and corners were square. Was a thing that made me go "Hmmmm..." - so thanks for 'fessing up.

-S-

339 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:57am

re: #325 Cognito

Yes, I got the bit about JMV. But the source of the jokey problem was obviously Biden's addition to the ticket.

I just get a little weary of this junk because it's untrue, but if people read it enough they start to believe it.

fair enough,, so I'll start this campaign for you

LIZARDS ,,, COGNITO IS NOT A BIDEN FAN!

there

340 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:11am

re: #330 MandyManners

Getting hair plugs is more honest than touching your hair up with fake silver to appear mature.

People do that? Guys only, I'd guess.

341 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:22am

re: #334 sattv4u2

B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T!

342 pat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:26am

re: #290 jill e

Wow. Is this man crazy?

343 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:26am

re: #329 cliffster

Even if Obama wins, she'll probably still run in 2012 primaries

absolutely

344 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:27am

Lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.

Biden..... 13.04

Obama..... 7.67


McCain? 82.16


The (D)s are running are left.

345 Egfrow  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:36am

Talk about Cronyism! Delaware is a very very small state and full of Cronies and Biden has brushed shoulders with them all. There is allot of dirt to dig up here.

346 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:30am

re: #344 jcm

Lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.

Biden..... 13.04

Obama..... 7.67


McCain? 82.16


The (D)s are running are left.

HARD LEFT


PIMF

347 Zombie_Killian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:39am

Quick! How many houses does Biden have!?

348 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:43am

re: #299 Sizzlack
Huh, I thought early on in the Primaries the Koskidz were dissing him like crazy?!
Have they had a change of heart? Have they not read the AP story at the top that Charles so kindly provided?

349 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:44am

re: #344 jcm

Lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.

Biden..... 13.04

Obama..... 7.67


McCain? 82.16


The (D)s are running are left.

I didn't think that Obama would rate so high.

350 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:45am

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Who do you think he's going to pick? I still think Lieberman is a nice choice. Could Massachusetts be a swing state?

Sorry for the delay here KT, Kasey jumped on my chest and smothered me to let me know it was time for a walk.
While I can pick who's probably the next P of Pakistan, politics in the US is much more complex. I refuse to speculate.

351 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:54am

I want to come back to this idea that the 3am announcement somehow shows obama as being ready for a 3am phone call-

Trying to display this with a VP pick is weak at best and idiotic otherwise. He's had weeks to make this decision, and the press was buzzing well before 3am. If that was really what the obama camp was thinking- they must think the electorate is pretty stupid. Announcing your veep at 3am on a Saturday morning just shows no ability to grasp and manipulate timing. Friday afternoon would have been best- he really screwed manipulating the news cycle, and I think it shows incompetence. Worst Veep announcement ever.

352 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:02am

re: #337 kevinmumaw

OT: Obama to amend report on $800,000 in spending

I started following the links...This could be huge. Looks like Obama is complicit in setting up an illegal left-wing slush fund, and is actually still doing it. Michelle Malkin has a lot on this, but admittedly I did not pay much attention until today. Change my ass.

Didn't he do some legal work for ACORN?

353 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:07am

re: #336 realwest

When you were FIVE?!
Uh, Jammie, you know you're my friend, but I mean come on.........FIVE?
Shoot I was four, myself!
/

I matured early.

354 silversmith  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:16am

maybe Mr Biden can comment about this:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I wonder what he would say?

355 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:16am

re: #322 Kenneth

When Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate, John McCain was still a POW in Hanoi.

McCain spent more time as a POW than Obama has a US Senator.

* * *
When John McCain was stuck in POW camp in Hanoi in 1972, Joe Biden probably voted AGAINST Nixon's mining of Haiphong Harbor and bombing of Hanoi = the SURGE which got our POWs released in 1973.

Biden was running his mouth in the Senate while McCain was still cursing out VietCong torturers from his bamboo cage.

356 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:22am

re: #347 Zombie_Killian

Quick! How many houses does Biden have!?

Counting his doll house?

357 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:24am

re: #316 humpty dumpty was pushed

It seems Obama has chosen yet another badly flawed father figure to guide his rudderless, inner core. The crazy preacher...now Biden, the egomaniacal party hack/motormouth. Gawd, I almost feel sorry him - 47 years old and still latching on to these nutcases for guidance.

He never got over his father abandoning him.
And if he gets elected, the entire country will have to pay for that.

358 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:26am

re: #349 rwmofo

I didn't think that Obama would rate so high.

Eighth points for voting Present.

359 Lawrior  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:30am

re: #334 sattv4u2

re: #323 pat

If the number of houses Mccain has comes up in the debates, McCain should look Obama square in the eyes and say
" I have one house for every year I spent in the Hanoi Hilton. I have as many rooms in each house as the number of teeth of mine the Vietnamese captors broke. I have as many bathrooms in each house as the number of my bones they broke! "

Bravo.

360 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:40am

Veeping here. Females only.

1. What do you think of Olympia Snowe -- the liberal Republican senator from a low-electoral-vote state (Maine).

2. Meg Whitman.

3. Hutchinson (but she's from TX).

4. Carly Fiorina (no legislative experience.)

5. And yes, Palin.

Are there others?

361 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #351 Sharmuta

He announced it at 3:00 a.m.?

362 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:02:14am

re: #331 cblesz

This isn't a freaking game show...just tell us. I am assuming you are referring to Lieberman...BAD, BAD choice if that is it.

Not even Close

Giuliani.

363 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:02:20am

re: #323 pat

"Mr Biden, how many hair plugs do you have?"
"I'ii get back to you on that."

* * *
Catty but bet Biden has spent more on dental work than McCain has.

364 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:02:43am

re: #334 sattv4u2

re: #323 pat

If the number of houses Mccain has comes up in the debates, McCain should look Obama square in the eyes and say
" I have one house for every year I spent in the Hanoi Hilton. I have as many rooms in each house as the number of teeth of mine the Vietnamese captors broke. I have as many bathrooms in each house as the number of my bones they broke! "

"I have an elder aunt who lives in one. Where does your brother live?"

365 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:02:51am

re: #227 wright1

She does look like she has potential but this is really where you need someone who has been tested - Romney is tough and energetic and he does not say the wrong thing on the trail - he stays on message. Is he perfect? No. But he can be scrappy and believe me, Biden will hit below the belt.

Biden hitting be,ow the belt against a woman - well, wouldn't that be hugely damaging in the eyes of all those independents who still have some chivalry left in them?

And, correct me if I'm wrong, don't goverrnors also get elected? Thus Palin would have some experience, wouldn't she ..

366 rightymouse  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:02:58am

re: #332 Kenneth

BINGO! A thousand updings for that insight! Something about Obama that is fatally attracted to angry old lefty men...

Sort of like his own biological father?

367 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:16am

re: #361 MandyManners

Yes.

368 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:36am

re: #362 Opinionated


How does Guliani wion Florida? he got killed in the primary. I like Guliani, but do not think he is the best choice.

369 apb1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:42am

re: #363 alegrias

ER - don't think Biden had his teeth smashed out under torture ...he's just vain.

370 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:46am

re: #322 Kenneth
Yet another GREAT POST!
Thanks!

371 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:46am

re: #361 MandyManners

He announced it at 3:00 a.m.?

Yes. he had to wait fro Michelle to go to sleep. She wanted him to pick Bernardine Dohrn

372 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:49am

re: #333 jester6

re: #265 Peter Verkooijen
I wouldn't consider the swing voters who voted for GWB gullible. As a matter of fact, I would consider them much more thoughtful then most voters on either side who vote straight ticket. ... Most of the people who claim they are undecided just haven't checked who is in what party yet - they vote ticket/ideology anyway.

Yes, of course elections are won in the middle. I meant that you are a gullible idiot if you believe Biden is a moderate straight shooter.

373 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:51am

re: #364 jcm

"I have an elder aunt who lives in one. Where does your brother live?"

Zing.

374 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:03am

re: #330 MandyManners

Getting hair plugs is more honest than touching your hair up with fake silver to appear mature.

* * *
How so? One is surgery and implanting foreign objects in one's skull!

375 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:04am

re: #367 Sharmuta

Yes.

Why?!

376 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:16am

re: #343 sattv4u2
re: #329 cliffster

If Obama wins I doubt he will run in 4 years. Even if he does he will have serious competition in the primary. Think LBJ and Carter.

377 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:32am

re: #351 Sharmuta

I want to come back to this idea that the 3am announcement somehow shows obama as being ready for a 3am phone call-

Trying to display this with a VP pick is weak at best and idiotic otherwise. He's had weeks to make this decision, and the press was buzzing well before 3am. If that was really what the obama camp was thinking- they must think the electorate is pretty stupid. Announcing your veep at 3am on a Saturday morning just shows no ability to grasp and manipulate timing. Friday afternoon would have been best- he really screwed manipulating the news cycle, and I think it shows incompetence. Worst Veep announcement ever.

It makes me wonder what was in the trashpile Friday afternoon that this is designed to gloss over. I don't think the O is that dumb, this is designed to distract from something. I was tied up and didn't get a chance to dig through the Friday night trashdump of press releases and court announcements, anybody else get the chance?

378 silversmith  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:37am

Where does his brother live? I am asking cause I don't know.

379 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:39am

Hats off to Obama for picking a young vibrant guy. Biden is only 65.

380 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:02am

re: #368 cblesz

How does Guliani wion Florida? he got killed in the primary. I like Guliani, but do not think he is the best choice.

He doesn't have to win Florida - McCain does. And he did it once this year already.

381 jelo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:03am

checkout msnbc...got mathews and gouberman giving hummers to the duo....they love it!

382 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:26am

re: #375 MandyManners

Well- it was speculated up thread that it was to demonstrate barry could make a decision should he get a 3am phone call. I think that if that's what the obama people were thinking that it's just stupid.

383 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:30am

re: #368 cblesz

How does Guliani wion Florida? he got killed in the primary. I like Guliani, but do not think he is the best choice.

Guiliani + McCain wins Florida.

384 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:44am

re: #374 alegrias

* * *
How so? One is surgery and implanting foreign objects in one's skull!

To me, it's more up-front to want to appear younger than wanting to appear older.

385 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:47am

re: #328 Killer Tomato
Well, you're sure no Joe Biden when it comes to answers! LOL!
Aside from Yip, do you know what kind of telephone call could elicit that sorta response? Cell phones leave a number, don't they?!

386 Zombie_Killian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:52am

re: #381 jelo

Any tingling reported?

387 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:57am

re: #334 sattv4u2

re: #323 pat

If the number of houses Mccain has comes up in the debates, McCain should look Obama square in the eyes and say
" I have one house for every year I spent in the Hanoi Hilton. I have as many rooms in each house as the number of teeth of mine the Vietnamese captors broke. I have as many bathrooms in each house as the number of my bones they broke! "

* * *
McCain should just have said, Ask My Wife, She Bought them all.

388 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:58am

re: #378 silversmith

Where does his brother live? I am asking cause I don't know.

In a shack in Kenya.

389 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:00am

re: #380 cliffster

He doesn't have to win Florida - McCain does. And he did it once this year already.


When? I thought he got smoked in Florida? I understand Guliani doesn't have to win Fla...but it was suggested that he helps McCain win it...

390 trailortrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:07am

re: #378 silversmith

Where does his brother live? I am asking cause I don't know.

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

391 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:11am

It would also put NY potentially in play.

392 pat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:19am

According to Michel Medved, and most you may know this, McCain was stumped because the question was worded how many houses do you and Cindy own. It turns out that McCain owns no houses. All 7 properties are in Cindy's name and McCain has never asked that he be put on title nor has he paid much attention to Cindy's money. In fact he may not even know her net worth. That is why he was confused. The fact that he once asked to be put on title does say a lot about his character as well as how solid his marriage is.

393 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:24am

re: #383 Thanos

Guiliani + McCain wins Florida.

Florida is ours anyway. Obama doesn't have a chance of winning this state. I'm worried about Virginia, not Florida.

394 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:29am

re: #318 cliffster

mmmm, coffee and pizza. Go together like Ozzie and Harriet

coffee and a cheeseburger is hard to beat too.

395 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:34am

re: #360 hermeneutics

Veeping here. Females only.
1. What do you think of Olympia Snowe -- the liberal Republican senator from a low-electoral-vote state (Maine).
2. Meg Whitman.
3. Hutchinson (but she's from TX).
4. Carly Fiorina (no legislative experience.)
5. And yes, Palin.

Are there others?

Carly Fiorina was a miserable failure at HP. Wasn't Whitman on her way out at eBay as well?

396 cyclown  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:34am

Mega Disasters on the Hitler channel. When can we expect the subject to be the 2008 Democrat presidential and vice-presidential nomination? Aaron Burr is rolling over in his grave.

397 silversmith  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:44am

re: #388 MandyManners

TY

398 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:48am

re: #382 Sharmuta

Well- it was speculated up thread that it was to demonstrate barry could make a decision should he get a 3am phone call. I think that if that's what the obama people were thinking that it's just stupid.

It's beyond stupid. It goes into the realm of insanity.

399 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:51am

re: #375 MandyManners

Why?!

Mandy,

Because Obama is
a. a dumbass
b. incompetent
c. afraid that his vp choice will piss off the nutroots
d. let it go on so long that cnn beat him to the punch.

and
E. the "text" thing was a ruse to get all those unlisted cell phone numbers!

400 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:11am

re: #330 MandyManners
Hi Mandy! Would real silver be any better?
/ducks to avoid *whack*

401 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:20am

re: #290 jill e

Oh, man1


Crowley's TNR profile concludes with a striking example of Biden's foreign policy sophistication. In the wake of 9/11, in a meeting with his staff, Biden experienced an epiphany:

Biden launches into a stream-of-consciousness monologue about what his [Senate Foreign Relations] committee should be doing, before he finally admits the obvious: "I'm groping here." Then he hits on an idea: America needs to show the Arab world that we're not bent on its destruction. "Seems to me this would be a good time to send, no strings attached, a check for $200 million to Iran," Biden declares. He surveys the table with raised eyebrows, a How do ya like that? look on his face.

402 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:32am

re: #368 cblesz

How does Guliani wion Florida? he got killed in the primary. I like Guliani, but do not think he is the best choice.

Primary was for Republicans only. Even there, by Florida a vote for Giuliani was a vote against McCain.

Giuliani's legion of fans in Florida are Democrats. Retired from his neck of the woods.

With Biden, they will be more comfortable voting the usual Democrat ticket. Only Giuliani helps change that equation.

403 pat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:38am

re: #339 sattv4u2

Oh we got the sense of that. check out top comments. Cog is updinged for the fist time. lol

404 Lawrior  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:49am

re: #329 cliffster

Even if Obama wins, she'll probably still run in 2012 primaries

Does anyone think that she will let that happen? Given the video of a drunken Biden dancing posted earlier, why should we think that the Clintons will do anything other than sabotage this run? Who on the Right would have access to video like that?

405 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:59am

re: #382 Sharmuta

Well- it was speculated up thread that it was to demonstrate barry could make a decision should he get a 3am phone call. I think that if that's what the obama people were thinking that it's just stupid.

Carl Cameron said some PUMA types told him they thought it was a veiled shot at Hillary.

The reality is, the Secret Service showing up at Biden's house tipped off the media that it was Biden by 11 p.m. last night and Obama was looking stupid withholding the text message after every single network had independently confirmed it was Biden.

406 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:05am

re: #395 Peter Verkooijen

Carly Fiorina was a miserable failure at HP. Wasn't Whitman on her way out at eBay as well?

I'm not sure about Whitman's tenure at eBay, but wouldn't it be fun to put a female corporate exec on the ticket?

Change?

407 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:19am

re: #385 realwest

Well, you're sure no Joe Biden when it comes to answers! LOL!
Aside from Yip, do you know what kind of telephone call could elicit that sorta response? Cell phones leave a number, don't they?!

I'm guessing polls, political organizations, groups looking for donations... geeze - I dunno, maybe my credit card payment is late.
;-)

408 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:28am

re: #372 Peter Verkooijen


I wouldn't call Biden moderate, but neither was GWB in 2000. There are a lot of people out there who want someone to tell them the truth - even if they do not agree with it.

GWB went built a case for war that largely was not true (at least according to the hard left) and should have lost in a landslide in 2004. But swing voters still believed him when he said that based on what he knew at the time he made the correct decision. They forgave him because they thought he was a straight shooter - even when he was wrong.

409 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:44am

re: #399 Typicalwhitey

Mandy,

Because Obama is
a. a dumbass
b. incompetent
c. afraid that his vp choice will piss off the nutroots
d. let it go on so long that cnn beat him to the punch.

and
E. the "text" thing was a ruse to get all those unlisted cell phone numbers!

It makes no sense.

410 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:57am

re: #392 pat

actually, it's in a pre-nup agreement (insisted on by her family at the time ) that his name is on nothing

411 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:57am

Obama could have picked Spongebob Squarepants and Chrissy Matthews and Olberdouch would have mountains of praise.

412 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:09:21am

re: #400 realwest

Hi Mandy! Would real silver be any better?
/ducks to avoid *whack*

Of course it'd be better. It'd be for real, and not some ploy to appear more mature, to have gravitas.

413 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:09:29am

re: #383 Thanos

Guiliani + McCain wins Florida.

McCain's already winning in FL. He needs MI- Romney did well there.

414 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:12am

re: #401 BignJames

Oh, man1


Crowley's TNR profile concludes with a striking example of Biden's foreign policy sophistication. In the wake of 9/11, in a meeting with his staff, Biden experienced an epiphany:

Biden launches into a stream-of-consciousness monologue about what his [Senate Foreign Relations] committee should be doing, before he finally admits the obvious: "I'm groping here." Then he hits on an idea: America needs to show the Arab world that we're not bent on its destruction. "Seems to me this would be a good time to send, no strings attached, a check for $200 million to Iran," Biden declares. He surveys the table with raised eyebrows, a How do ya like that? look on his face.

He was just leading by example.

415 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:14am

re: #389 cblesz

When? I thought he got smoked in Florida? I understand Guliani doesn't have to win Fla...but it was suggested that he helps McCain win it...

McCain got smoked in Florida? Or did I dangle a participal? Dammit, sorry, hate when I do that.

416 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:14am

re: #347 Zombie_Killian
ELEVEN!

417 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:30am

I'm still saying there's something in the trash heap we missed, big things on Friday night are to disguise trash dumps.

418 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:41am

re: #391 Thanos

It would also put NY potentially in play.

hope so.
i'd like my vote to count.

419 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:46am

re: #369 apb1

ER - don't think Biden had his teeth smashed out under torture ...he's just vain.

* * *
That's my point. McCain's wife could have McCain's teeth goldplated, if McCain were vain.

Instead, McCain wears decent shoes to cushion his broken bones, and democrats whine about McCain's loafers.

Democrats loved it when OJ Simpson wore Bruno Magli italian shoes!

420 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:55am

re: #378 silversmith

Where does his brother live? I am asking cause I don't know.

Scroll down for pictures.

421 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:57am

re: #388 MandyManners

In a shack in Kenya.

Then he'd better watch out for the mngwa!

422 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:58am

re: #409 MandyManners

It makes no sense.


You have just defined obambis judgement lol!

423 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:11:29am

re: #404 Lawrior

Does anyone think that she will let that happen? Given the video of a drunken Biden dancing posted earlier, why should we think that the Clintons will do anything other than sabotage this run? Who on the Right would have access to video like that?

Isn't he making fun of a Florida retirement community, The Villages?

424 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:11:32am

Real Clear Politics Map

With Toss Up States

425 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:11:40am

re: #404 Lawrior

Does anyone think that she will let that happen? Given the video of a drunken Biden dancing posted earlier, why should we think that the Clintons will do anything other than sabotage this run? Who on the Right would have access to video like that?

That video is insane.

And what's that song? Isn't that a commercial jingle or is it an original hit from before my time?

426 eaglewingz08  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:11:45am

The buck stops with Biden. Catchy phrase. If Biden was soooo good why did none of the nut roots vote for him during the dem primaries?
Hmmm. Why is it that he had negative numbers in the primaries and doesn't bring a single delegate to the convention unlike Hillary and Edwards?
Obama violated the first rule of VPs, first do no harm. Biden is a slick smarmy egotistical deceptive candidate who makes Edwards look like a paragon of virtue. I thank Karl Rove for putting the Vulcan mind meld on Caroline Kennedy and the Barack team to choose that doofus. He has tons of material out there that will make for exceptional republican commercials.
Dems are whistling past the graveyard now...

427 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:11am

re: #404 Lawrior

Does anyone think that she will let that happen? Given the video of a drunken Biden dancing posted earlier, why should we think that the Clintons will do anything other than sabotage this run? Who on the Right would have access to video like that?

Could this mocking of retired Floridians be used against him?

428 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:16am

Quick question for lizards who text on their cells.

If you receive a text message, do you have to pay?

429 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:36am

re: #415 cliffster

No, I thought Guliani campaigned there and only there and got drilled...he came in third, right? How does he help with Florida, which incidentally is already in McCain's column.

430 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:42am

re: #404 Lawrior

Does anyone think that she will let that happen? Given the video of a drunken Biden dancing posted earlier, why should we think that the Clintons will do anything other than sabotage this run? Who on the Right would have access to video like that?

I actually give Biden a pass for this. He got drunk and started singing and dancing. He was caught on camera having fun while inebriated.

It's the stuff he does when there's no whiskey around that's a problem.

431 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:45am

re: #426 eaglewingz08

Biden is a slick smarmy egotistical deceptive candidate who makes Edwards look like a paragon of virtue.

ROFLMAO! +1

432 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:49am

Hey all! It's humid in my part of the world.

When hubby told me of Obama's Choice (how do I add that little tm tag), my first instinct was to log-on here. Alas, I had chores to finish.

So what is the consensus?

AND how are you-all doin'?

433 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:52am

Biden used to be on the Imus radio program in DE. I betcha someone, somewhere has some fun tape.

434 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:13:19am

re: #423 MandyManners

Isn't he making fun of a Florida retirement community, The Villages?

It's a restuarant chain. That is it's theme song.

435 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:13:21am