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Associated Press: Biden 'Talks Too Much'

Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:52:36 am PDT

Bitter disappointment just drips from Associated Press writer Ron Fournier’s piece: Analysis: Biden pick shows lack of confidence.

DENVER - The candidate of change went with the status quo.

In picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate, Barack Obama sought to shore up his weakness — inexperience in office and on foreign policy — rather than underscore his strength as a new-generation candidate defying political conventions.

He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate — the ultimate insider — rather than a candidate from outside Washington ...

So the question is whether Biden’s depth counters Obama’s inexperience — or highlights it?

After all, Biden is anything but a change agent, having been in office longer than half of all Americans have been alive. Longer than McCain.

And he talks too much.

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1 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:53:35am

I think the Biden pick shows the obama people have no idea what they're doing.

2 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:53:42am

He likes the sound of his voice.

3 kawabunga  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:54:05am

People in the McCain campaign must be ecstatic.

4 lefty201  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:54:26am

he's obviously smarter than Obama

5 runrabbitrun  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:54:32am

Good thing for the Dems black is 'in' for fall.

6 6pat6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:54:33am

Biden is probably there to baby-sit B-HO. Just thinking...

So much for "change" - a 35-year Senate vet. Never had a real job in his life, I'll bet.

7 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:55:00am

He covered up his only bright spot with Rogaine.

8 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:55:12am

You talk to much!

9 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:55:40am

But in picking Biden the Big ZERO has locked up the Arrogant Douche Bag vote.

[Okay Les, they've got the picture...]

10 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:56:14am
Associated Press: Biden 'Talks Too Much'

Run DNC DMC!

11 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:56:25am

Now watch for the MSM to turn on Obama because they don't want to be taken down when he goes down.

12 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:56:54am

re: #2 BignJames

He likes the sound of his voice.

[Les likes the sound of his own voice too, but he doesn't drone on and on all day like that Bin Biden fellow.]

13 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:00am

re: #6 6pat6

Biden is probably there to baby-sit B-HO. Just thinking...

So much for "change" - a 35-year Senate vet. Never had a real job in his life, I'll bet.

He's been in the Senate since he was 30.

14 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:09am

Biden is....
Old
White
Racist
Establishment
Insider

Other than that what exactly does he bring to the ticket?

15 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:13am

Behold, a campaign not only in disarray, but in complete meltdown. Popcorn, anyone?

16 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:21am

Not even the ap can hide that obama's running scared from the "lack of experience" charge. I think it's pretty obvious that no one is impressed with this pick.

17 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:21am

re: #10 Occasional Reader

Run DNC DMC!

Amazing coincidence. Was playing one of the music channels on cable and that song was just on.

18 runrabbitrun  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:21am

re: #5 runrabbitrun

Good thing for the Dems black is 'in' for fall.

I mean in fashion attire, of course...

19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:49am

re: #9 The Other Les

But in picking Biden the Big ZERO has locked up the Arrogant Douche Bag vote.

[Okay Les, they've got the picture...]

Also, they have secured the Delaware vote, but lost the Hindu vote.

20 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:52am

Out of curiousity, is there a reason why McCain isn't considering Condi Rice as a veep contender?

21 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:57:59am

re: #17 JammieWearingFool

Hi Jammie!

Howie's column tomorrow is going to be one for the ages....

22 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:11am

Of course, now my boy is walking around saying 'you never shut up'...

23 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:16am

So don't let him talk.
They chose him for his 'gravitas'.
Just have him stand in the back with his white hair plugs looking grave.
(hey whitey - get to the back of the bus lest you get thrown under it)
That wasn't racist - I was referring to his hair.
So nyah.

24 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:19am

re: #14 jcm

Biden is....
Old
White
Racist
Establishment
Insider

Other than that what exactly does he bring to the ticket?

Gravitas, I'm sure.

/really ...

25 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:20am

re: #14 jcm

Biden is....
Old
White
Racist
Establishment
Insider

Other than that what exactly does he bring to the ticket?

Now say that again, with a "slight Indian accent".

26 jorline  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:33am

Quick question...How many feet can Biden fit into his mouth at one time?

27 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:48am

Senator you have stated publicly that Mr. Obama is not ready for on the job training - is that your position?

B- Well that is before my I.Q was lent to the ticket - you do know how smart I am don't you!?!

28 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:58:58am

re: #21 loppyd

Hi Jammie!

Howie's column tomorrow is going to be one for the ages....

Send me the link in case I forget, or post it in the spinoffs.

29 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:59:14am

re: #14 jcm

Biden is....
Old
White
Racist
Establishment
Insider

Other than that what exactly does he bring to the ticket?

He knows the guy who owns that mount. He can get a discount rental for the next sermon.

30 SpartanWoman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:59:22am

re: #20 hermeneutics

Out of curiousity, is there a reason why McCain isn't considering Condi Rice as a veep contender?

Um, because he's too smart to drag himself down with her on the ticket?

31 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:59:44am

re: #23 Killer Tomato

GMTA! only 3 seconds apart!

32 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 8:59:58am

Has Obama had his last MSMBJ?

33 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:00:01am

re: #28 JammieWearingFool

Send me the link in case I forget, or post it in the spinoffs.

Will do!

34 akak  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:00:11am

re: #6 6pat6

Biden is probably there to baby-sit B-HO. Just thinking...

So much for "change" - a 35-year Senate vet. Never had a real job in his life, I'll bet.

Continuity of Government that Cheney knows well.

35 trailortrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:09am

re: #1 Sharmuta

I think the Biden pick shows the obama people have no idea what they're doing.

yep

36 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:11am

I suspect the Architect's hand in all of this.

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

37 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:31am

SourceWatch:

Biden claimed that Sen. Hillary Clinton's plan in Iraq would cause "nothing but disaster," that he doesn't "recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic," and that he doesn't think John Edwards "knows what the heck he is talking about" in an interview with The New York Observer. [6]

Will look for the full NY Observer interview.

38 SpartanWoman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:41am

re: #32 maddogg

Has Obama had his last MSMBJ?

Nope! And Biden just unzipped for them too....countdown to fawning praise.

39 gunjam  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:50am

One anecdotal observation: My elderly mother, who tends to vote Dem, likes BOTH McCain and Biden. I am guessing that this choice may have won her vote for Obama. (Just a guess, as I have not yet spoken to her.)

40 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:01:56am

I went through the fever swamps and the reaction from the Kos Kidz is hilarious.

Little Kos went to bed last night so smugly pompous how Baracky's text message was going to bypass CNN and the old media, only to have CNN break the story and the text message go out hours later.

He's oddly silent now.

41 FightingBack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:02:08am

Fox Breaking News: Biden entered a vehicle and the vehicle drove way. Aerial shots.

42 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:02:22am

And he talks too much.

Typical trial lawyer.

43 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:02:34am

Is it just me or does the fact that we have three Senators running for Prez smack of Ancient Rome? Mount Olympus?

BTW, all Biden needs is some gold chains and he's megasmarmy a door-to-door insurance/time-share salesman.

Bring on THE GAFFES!

44 jorline  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:02:34am

Joe Biden...Did you hear this joke? Two Indians enter a 7-11....

45 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:04am

You know Biden wasn't Obama's first choice. The only question is whether he was 2nd or 3rd choice?

46 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:18am

Smirky and Smarmy - I wish I could take credit but Michelle Malkin beat me to it...

47 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:18am

re: #31 Gang of One

GMTA! only 3 seconds apart!

LOL
So do fools!

48 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:20am

re: #25 Occasional Reader

Now say that again, with a "slight Indian accent".

APU! APU-Bin-Biden!

49 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:24am

re: #40 JammieWearingFool

Jammie,

This is what Kos said about Biden last year

50 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:26am

Senator Biden, are you going to pay for that Slurpee?

51 gunjam  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:38am

re: #36 Gang of One

Love your nick.

52 cactusjack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:49am

The only thing they had against McCain was his age. with this pick, it's now off the table. Biden is only 6 years younger than McCain.

53 6pat6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:03:53am

re: #34 akak

And JFK with LBJ. It does have precedent beyond what we have now.

54 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:04:08am

re: #50 Gang of One

Senator Biden, are you going to pay for that Slurpee?

Thank you, steal again.

55 runrabbitrun  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:04:46am

re: #13 loppyd

He's been in the Senate since he was 30.

And since Biden is only 6 years younger than McCain, there goes the age charge, else how could Barry think Joe could take over responsibly if necessary in Obama's (heaven forbid) second term?

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:04:50am

re: #44 jorline

Joe Biden...Did you hear this joke? Two Indians enter a 7-11....

Biden needs to seek some forgiveness for that one.

57 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:04:54am

re: #44 jorline


I said coffee - coffee I said! - by the way what is that on your forehead

58 Gang of One  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:04:57am

re: #51 gunjam

Thank you!

59 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:27am

re: #49 loppyd

Jammie,

This is what Kos said about Biden last year

I have it in my roundup.

Kos must be tied up this morning. It's hasn't gone down the memory hole yet.

60 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:30am

re: #20 hermeneutics

Out of curiousity, is there a reason why McCain isn't considering Condi Rice as a veep contender?

* * *
Sec. Rice is a Bush family loyalist and has not held elected office, plus her foreign policy accomplishments, especially in carrying on the charade known as the Middle East Peace process, probably piss off McCain.

McCain doesn't want to be a broker between islamofascists & Israel.

McCain is a strong unapologetic defender of Israel and Democracy.

61 collegeguy85  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:33am

The change he is aiming for is the change towards greater corruption (lobbyists), socialism and disarmament. He is advocating change and Biden is consistent with those principles. The chosen release time of 3 am is to set the claim that he is ready to make key decisions in the middle of the night.
The principal dangers for the Democrats I for-see are the lack of executive experience on either part of the ticket, the video of Biden saying Obama hasn't enough experience and the fact that there isn't a consistent message of "anti-DC establishmentarianism." (my word).

62 FightingBack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:34am

re: #49 loppyd

Jammie,

This is what Kos said about Biden last year

They grind exceeding small.

63 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:36am

re: #41 FightingBack

Fox Breaking News: Biden entered a vehicle and the vehicle drove way. Aerial shots.

White Ford Bronco! Low-speed chase!

64 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:38am

re: #32 maddogg

Has Obama had his last MSMBJ?

What's an MSMBJ?

65 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:49am

re: #43 Sol Roth

Is it just me or does the fact that we have three Senators running for Prez smack of Ancient Rome? Mount Olympus?

BTW, all Biden needs is some gold chains and he's megasmarmy a door-to-door insurance/time-share salesman.

Bring on THE GAFFES!

I mean't running for Executive Branch. Too many super gas bags from Mount Olympus is the idea.

66 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:05:57am

re: #40 JammieWearingFool

I went through the fever swamps and the reaction from the Kos Kidz is hilarious.

Little Kos went to bed last night so smugly pompous how Baracky's text message was going to bypass CNN and the old media, only to have CNN break the story and the text message go out hours later.

He's oddly silent now.

Let's send 'em a box of razors:)

67 SpartanWoman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:11am

re: #64 MandyManners

What's an MSMBJ?

main stream media blow job

68 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:22am

re: #45 Kenneth

You know Biden wasn't Obama's first choice. The only question is whether he was 2nd or 3rd choice?

Fifth! (fnord)

69 cactusjack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:23am

re: #49 loppyd

oh yeah, I forgot Biden said Obama was "clean". haha. this is great.

70 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:35am

re: #64 MandyManners

Main Stream Media BJ

71 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:36am

re: #61 collegeguy85

The chosen release time of 3 am is to set the claim that he is ready to make key decisions in the middle of the night.

If that's what they were thinking, then they really are idiots.

72 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:44am

With Congress polling the lowest approval ratings ever, why have both parties gone for Senators? Counter-intuitive, if you ask me.

All the more reason McCain needs to pick a governor for VP.

73 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:06:45am

re: #64 MandyManners

What's an MSMBJ?

/can't believe you couldn't figure that out

74 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:07:02am

re: #63 Occasional Reader

Obnoxious media, wasting helicopter fuel to no useful purpose.

75 NogenDavid  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:07:15am

According to scripture, Biden will betray Obama with three gaffes before the cock crows.

Then again, maybe Obama made a good choice. He chose a Veep who is on record as being against Obama, and so can attract the anti-Obama vote to the ticket.

76 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:07:19am

re: #67 SpartanWoman

Oh. Thank you!

77 tankdemon  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:07:24am

re: #45 Kenneth

Who was the first choice? BTW, is there any democrat who is more qualifiedf to become president than Biden? I think Bill Richardson, but other than that, I don't think there is a Dem in the country who could sit in the oval office seem to belong there.

78 trailortrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:07:42am

they could have chosen "greg from accounting" and not gotten as much grief as this choice will bring.

79 jpkoch  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:08:17am

re: #1 Sharmuta

I think the Biden pick shows the obama people have no idea what they're doing.


Which is strange, since it was only a month ago the Talking Heads were so enthralled with Obama's staff. An hour didn't pass without some pundit extolling the power of Team Hope.

80 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:08:22am

re: #78 trailortrash

they could have chosen "greg from accounting" and not gotten as much grief as this choice will bring.

heh!

81 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:08:27am

re: #64 MandyManners

What's an MSMBJ?


MSM-BJ

82 BigFatLion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:08:27am

Okay, here's a crazy, and probably wrong, thought. Maybe he picked Biden to try and reassure the Super Delegates that there will be some leadership on the ticket. That might also explain why it ended up with Biden (I suspect the others turned him down). He's a hairs breath away from losing the nomination to Hillary and is trying to do ANYTHING to hold onto the lead.

83 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:08:37am

re: #78 trailortrash

they could have chosen "greg from accounting" and not gotten as much grief as this choice will bring.

Or Bob from Accountemps...
(I think it's a local commercial)

84 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:20am

re: #44 jorline

Joe Biden...Did you hear this joke? Two Indians enter a 7-11....

* * *
More evidence of democrat hypocrisy.

Macaca ring any bells? One word sunk George Allen the once-upon-a-time Republican presidential wannabee, ex governor of Virginia, who called someone a macaca. Now in the political graveyard, waiting to be rehabilitated.

Whereas, Joe Biden says a whole nasty paragraph about Indian Americans and lives another day.

85 trailortrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:21am

lol

86 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:22am

re: #72 Kenneth

With Congress polling the lowest approval ratings ever, why have both parties gone for Senators? Counter-intuitive, if you ask me.

All the more reason McCain needs to pick a governor for VP.

From all accounts it's Romney or Pawlenty, so there you go.

Romney definitely beats out Biden by a (head of) hair.

87 rb4269  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:24am

re: #63 Occasional Reader

O-Joe !

88 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:45am

If you tie Biden's hands he can't talk.

89 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:50am

Mandy's #64 will go down in history

*duck*
/teasing

90 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:52am

Biden's wife died in a tragic accident, right? Has he ever remarried? I would assume he is not married for this reason...

Michelle OBAMA was very much involved in this decision. I am sure she loves this pick becuase if Biden is not married, she does not have to pretend to "get along" with another wife and the spotlight would never be taken away from her.

91 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:09:53am

re: #54 loppyd

loppyd, where abouts are you in the Northeast? Cape Cod here. And yes, I plan on reading Howie's column tomorrow!

92 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:10:04am

re: #75 NogenDavid

According to scripture, Biden will betray Obama with three gaffes before the cock crows.

Is Bill Clinton scheduled to speak at the convention?

93 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:10:07am

re: #82 BigFatLion

Okay, here's a crazy, and probably wrong, thought. Maybe he picked Biden to try and reassure the Super Delegates that there will be some leadership on the ticket. That might also explain why it ended up with Biden (I suspect the others turned him down). He's a hairs breath away from losing the nomination to Hillary and is trying to do ANYTHING to hold onto the lead.

The official spin.

Mr. Obama’s selection ended a two-month search that was conducted almost entirely in secret. It reflected a critical strategic choice by Mr. Obama: To go with a running mate who could reassure voters about gaps in his résumé, rather than to pick someone who could deliver a state or reinforce Mr. Obama’s message of change.

Mr. Biden is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and is familiar with foreign leaders and diplomats around the world. Although he initially voted to authorize the war in Iraq — Mr. Obama opposed it from the start — Mr. Biden became a persistent critic of President George W. Bush’s policies in Iraq.

94 tommygum  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:10:18am

BJ=fellatio

95 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:10:37am

re: #78 trailortrash

Or, Alfred E. Neuman

96 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:10:38am

re: #14 jcm

Biden McCain is....
Old
White
Racist
Establishment
Insider

Great job Barry. Now you can only bag on Johnny Mac for his support for the Iraq war - and we've just about got that won.

97 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:00am

re: #90 cblesz

He remarried a decade later and has a daughter by his second wife.

98 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:07am

re: #92 Kenneth

Is Bill Clinton scheduled to speak at the convention?

The better question is...is Monica?

99 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:40am

re: #86 JammieWearingFool

From all accounts it's Romney or Pawlenty, so there you go.

Romney definitely beats out Biden by a (head of) hair.

Please, please, please pick governor Sarah Palin. It would be the smartest pick for McCain...oh, then I guess he won't do it.

100 jill e  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:45am

The power of prayer...I've been praying it would be Biden! WooHoo! Better change the spark plugs on the old gaffe 'o meter!

101 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:45am

This makes for a weird "experience" comparison between Obama and his Veep.

Biden has tons more "experience," but would you want it?

102 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:48am

re: #91 Jetpilot1101

loppyd, where abouts are you in the Northeast? Cape Cod here. And yes, I plan on reading Howie's column tomorrow!

North Shore, baby!

103 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:11:56am

re: #94 tommygum

BJ=fellatio


BJ= Billy Jeff

104 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:12:52am

re: #97 hermeneutics

He remarried a decade later and has a daughter by his second wife.

Thanks...oh well there goes my theory. I still cannot stand Mrs Obama.

105 trailortrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:06am

got a call from the VA div of the mccain campaign this morning and they asked if i wanted some signs for my yard, i asked "how much?" lol.
i figured it was a sales pitch because they must have gotten my number from my donation, but i was wrong, they are free, so i said send them on :)

106 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:19am

re: #99 cblesz

Please, please, please pick governor Sarah Palin. It would be the smartest pick for McCain...oh, then I guess he won't do it.

What's your reasoning behind 'smartest pick'?
Not being smarmy here, I'm just curious.

107 macintush  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:23am

This ticket is proves the factualnessednessism of evolootion - Obama + Biden = Darwin Award Winners!

108 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:24am

re: #101 Syrah

Experience, like wisdom & judgment, is not transferable.

109 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:34am

McCain's pick isn't going to be Palin, Alaska will be in the "R" column without needing a favorite daughter draw. Look elsewhere.

110 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:37am

re: #90 cblesz

Biden's wife died in a tragic accident, right? Has he ever remarried? I would assume he is not married for this reason...

Michelle OBAMA was very much involved in this decision. I am sure she loves this pick becuase if Biden is not married, she does not have to pretend to "get along" with another wife and the spotlight would never be taken away from her.

He remarried in 1977.

The question was rooted in Biden's occasional gaffes. He had apologized earlier for describing Obama as "articulate" and "clean" in one unguarded episode that was taken by some to have a racial overtone. And he'd had to defend his remark that "you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent."

Biden confronted tragedy five weeks after his first election. In 1972, his first wife, Neilia, and 13-month-old daughter, Naomi, were killed when a tractor-trailer broad-sided her station wagon as she drove home with a family Christmas tree. His sons Beau and Hunt were badly hurt.

He was sworn in from the hospital bedside of one his sons and still won't work on Dec. 18, the date of the accident.

In 1977, Biden married Jill Tracy Jacobs. They have a daughter, Ashley. Both of his sons are lawyers, and the elder son, Beau, was elected state attorney general of Delaware in November.

Biden himself had a close brush with death in February 1988, when he was hospitalized for two brain aneurysms. It was seven months before he could return to the Senate.

Hmm, I wonder what the left will have to say about a running mate that had two brain aneurysms?

111 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:13:56am

re: #86 JammieWearingFool

From all accounts it's Romney or Pawlenty, so there you go.

Romney definitely beats out Biden by a (head of) hair.

* * *
Romney can run rings around this guy and others, in the sunny regular American guy disposition, easy conversational thoughtful answers, polite and pleasant yet steely principled department.

UNAPOLOGETICALLY loving America, warts & all. What dem is on record as unabashedly, America Love it or Leave it?

112 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:04am

re: #96 Racer X

Great job Barry. Now you can only bag on Johnny Mac for his support for the Iraq war - and we've just about got that won.

Great point!

Biden as far as I can has only worked for 1 year outside elected offices.

113 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:21am

re: #107 macintush

This ticket is proves the factualnessednessism of evolootion - Obama + Biden = Darwin Award Winners!

Must be, 'cause I sure don't see any intelligent design in this choice!

114 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:24am

re: #98 Jetpilot1101

The better question is...is Monica?

She'll be under the podium.

115 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:31am

re: #90 cblesz

Biden's wife died in a tragic accident, right? Has he ever remarried? I would assume he is not married for this reason...

Michelle OBAMA was very much involved in this decision. I am sure she loves this pick becuase if Biden is not married, she does not have to pretend to "get along" with another wife and the spotlight would never be taken away from her.

Ooooohhhh - I like that!

(Makes eminent sense to me!)

116 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:38am

re: #106 Killer Tomato

What's your reasoning behind 'smartest pick'?
Not being smarmy here, I'm just curious.


Look her up. She is a strong, strong conservative...oh and did I say she was a woman? And, she is not bad on the eyes. He would get a large woman vote with the pick also.

117 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:44am

Who did Hillary pick as VP?

Not kidding. She is going to steal the nomination.

118 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:45am

re: #26 jorline

Quick question...How many feet can Biden fit into his mouth at one time?

Just one, but then he promptly swallows it up to his thigh.

119 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:14:50am

re: #109 Thanos

Who do you think he's going to pick? I still think Lieberman is a nice choice. Could Massachusetts be a swing state?

120 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:15:02am

The best part of all of this is watching MSM cozy up to this creep...listening to Doperman embrace warmly a guy like Biden hammers home just one more time how intellectually dishonest the kooks are as he and his ilk throw a guy like McCain under the bus seemingly ignoring the stench of this foolish selection.

121 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:15:20am

re: #99 cblesz

Please, please, please pick governor Sarah Palin. It would be the smartest pick for McCain...oh, then I guess he won't do it.

* * *
Your rah rah Palin campaign is tiresome.

122 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:15:58am

re: #108 Kenneth

Experience, like wisdom & judgment, is not transferable.

But that's not stopping some at the ap from trying:

Analysis: Is Obama ready for world's toughest job?

Americans picking a president usually turn to people who have run states or armies. The biggest thing Barack Obama has ever run is his own presidential campaign.

But the heart of Obama's sales pitch isn't what he's done. It's who he is.

He wants to be seen as someone who can empathize with people's problems, use his obvious brainpower to come up with solutions and then motivate everyone to work together. Any lack of experience he makes up for with sound judgment, according to this argument.

Exhibit A is Obama's early opposition to invading Iraq. He warned in 2002 that it would be a long, costly diversion from the war against al-Qaida in Afghanistan.

Exhibit B is his personal story. Black father and white mother, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii, a scholar who also spent years helping the poor in Chicago neighborhoods — Obama is a walking billboard for bridging divides.

Those who know Obama best express confidence he can handle the Oval Office. They describe him as calm under pressure, someone who studies all angles, gathers advice from the best people, then makes a decision.

123 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:15am

re: #117 Racer X

Who did Hillary pick as VP?

Not kidding. She is going to steal the nomination.

Angela Lansbury. She's setting up a surprise for the convention.

124 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:19am

re: #102 loppyd

North Shore, baby!

Awesome! Can't wait for Laura, Rush, Howie, Hannity and the rest of the gang on Monday. It's going to be a day for the ages.

125 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:20am

re: #121 alegrias

* * *
Your rah rah Palin campaign is tiresome.

Your lack of intellect is tiresome. Who do you suggest he pick?

126 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:27am

re: #116 cblesz

Oh I know exactly who she is and what she's about. I just wondered why you thought she was who you'd want a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
I think she has a bright future. But I don't think she's ready now.

127 jelo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:33am

re: #32 maddogg

no....mika on msnbc will do him til november!

128 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:16:35am

re: #97 hermeneutics

He remarried a decade later and has a daughter by his second wife.

Aww - I soo liked that theory!


(Hiya, Hermeneutics!)

129 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:17:05am

re: #110 JammieWearingFool

Hmm, I wonder what the left will have to say about a running mate that had two brain aneurysms?

Hope that he has a long and happy life after losing this race and his next senate race.

130 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:17:36am

Isn't Biden a Super Delegate? Does he still get to cast a vote for the nominee if he is a SD?

131 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:18:30am

re: #130 Sharmuta

Isn't Biden a Super Delegate? Does he still get to cast a vote for the nominee if he is a SD?

It is the Dems, so yeah.

132 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:18:37am

re: #126 Killer Tomato

Oh I know exactly who she is and what she's about. I just wondered why you thought she was who you'd want a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
I think she has a bright future. But I don't think she's ready now.


Romney, Pawlenty are two on the short list. How are THEY "ready" and someone like Palin is not. She is the governor of Alaska, very conservative and drilling, oil is a big issue. She is very much for drilling here and specifically is Alaska.

133 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:18:45am

OT -

It looks like some of us Lizards have been targetted in Il.

Illinois Woman Who Stabbed Lizards Sentenced.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

134 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:18:47am

re: #130 Sharmuta


He is smarmy but is he actually a walking sexual disease? lol

135 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:18:49am

re: #123 JammieWearingFool

Angela Lansbury. She's setting up a surprise for the convention.

I sure hope she doesn't jump out of a cake.

136 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:19:39am

re: #108 Kenneth

Experience, like wisdom & judgment, is not transferable.

Nor are they synonymous.


I mean, . . .

What moron in the Obama camp thought that Biden had any "judgment" that would be an asset to their campaign?

So I must ask . . .

Is Neil Kinnock advising the obama campaign?

137 phillygirl  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:19:47am

I just love Obama's pick. Two elitist ego-maniacs running on the same ticket. It's a gift for McCain. Wonderful news!

138 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:19:48am

re: #123 JammieWearingFool


I think Angela is English......maybe Roseanne Barr?

139 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:19:55am

Maybe Obama is trying to wrap up the creationist vote since his fossil of a pick is roughly 6000 years old and has been in the senate almost as long.

140 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:05am

re: #66 maddogg

Let's send 'em a box of razors:)

Rippy the Razor says it's down the block, not across the street.

141 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:07am

re: #125 cblesz

Your lack of intellect is tiresome. Who do you suggest he pick?

* * *
I'm on record supporting Romney as someone ready to be president from day one.

Palin's a little young in my opinion, and not really a peer to McCain. I'm not interested in choosing a VP based on a fresh face or a gender.

142 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:18am

re: #122 Sharmuta

Again they peddle the bs that Obama was always against the war. From April 2004 to April 2005, Obama supported the war, in particular, he voted to fund private security contractors. This period coincided to within days, the period of time during which Obama's friends Tony Rezko & Nadhim Auchi were involved in a major hydro-electric dam project in Iraq, which, coincidentally, required private security teams.

143 akak  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:23am

re: #126 Killer Tomato

Oh I know exactly who she is and what she's about. I just wondered why you thought she was who you'd want a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
I think she has a bright future. But I don't think she's ready now.

Ability to govern, smart, soften's McCains ticket, draws away from Bush/McCain. Hell anythings better than Lindsay Graham.

144 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:27am

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

OT -

It looks like some of us Lizards have been targetted in Il.

Illinois Woman Who Stabbed Lizards Sentenced.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Ethel died? Fred lives on. Filthy herpeticidal wackjob.

145 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:35am

Biden's gaffes will not hurt BO.

McCain and Biden have very similar off the cuff speaking styles. They come across very similar to how GWB came across before 7 years of media filter telling us how stupid he was.

Biden's "gaffes" will be no more damaging during the campaign then GWBs were or McCain's are. With so much attention paid to what is said during the campaign - and so much air time to fill - it is hard take a simple a mis-statement out of context to make someone look like a fool.

It's after the election that the MSM was able to portray all the recent republican presidents, and some vice presidents, as fools because they would use a sound bite and not much time would be dedicated to understanding the context.

A great example would be Trent Lott's crucifixion for paying a complement to Strom Thurmund at a birthday party a few years ago.

BO's problem is going to be all the past statements made by Biden. Those are going to be run and run again to fill the air between now and election day.

146 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:20:35am

re: #128 yma o hyd

Aww - I soo liked that theory!


(Hiya, Hermeneutics!)

Isn't is amazing that two people who correspond, though a continent apart, can talk online in real time? ... my (admiring) greetings to you!

147 jamgarr  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:21:08am

re: #135 Racer X

I sure hope she doesn't jump out of a cake.

If you're looking for a cake-jumper you can't go wrong with Erica Elaniac (?sp.)

148 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:21:25am

re: #123 JammieWearingFool

Angela Lansbury. She's setting up a surprise for the convention.

Who's gonna' get killed so that Jessica can solve the mystery?

149 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:22:41am

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

OT -

It looks like some of us Lizards have been targetted in Il.

Illinois Woman Who Stabbed Lizards Sentenced.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hopefully the anger management class was taught by a Komodo Dragon.

150 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:03am

Okay, so isn't Biden up for election as a senator in DE? Will he give up his senate seat or run for both senate and veep concurrently?

And what happens to his seat in the unlikely event that Obama wins? Is someone else appointed by the governor or the party? For the duration of his term (six years)?

151 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:19am

Sup Lizards? Gorgeous day, thought I'd say howdy to my new friends before mowing the lawn.

152 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:37am

With 350 million people in the USA...the Democrats have put up someone with no real experience, a deranged wife who hates America despite all the riches she’s gained from living here, a 20 year member of a Black racist church led by Rev. Wright (who just happened to have married them and baptised their children).

Now Barack Hussein Obama selects someone who’s been in the US Senate since 1972 and twice failed for the White House because he was a proven cheat. Either Obama is a Republican plant or the Democrats have a deathwish.

153 BingoBunny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:41am

I think Biden is a great choice.. he's probably the most sane candidate Obama could come up with.. which isn't saying much when you look over the democrats. But at least it's a opening to America that people can hope the change will be less then Obama prophesied.

/bow down infidel.. our Messiah is passing out manna

154 tankdemon  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:43am

re: #135 Racer X

I think he is refering to Lawrence Harvey with the gun. Haven't you seen the real Manchurian Candidate?

155 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:23:47am

re: #141 alegrias


I like Romney as well. But, he is also young and unproven. In addition, all of you who claim he is a strong conservative simply have not followed the guys career. Anyone hear about Romney care in Mass? Very poor healthcare program.

Point is, he has as much experience as any of the names on the short list.

156 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:24:20am

re: #150 hermeneutics

Okay, so isn't Biden up for election as a senator in DE? Will he give up his senate seat or run for both senate and veep concurrently?

And what happens to his seat in the unlikely event that Obama wins? Is someone else appointed by the governor or the party? For the duration of his term (six years)?

Biden can run concurrently. If he wins, he has to vacate his seat and I assume the governor of DE gets to appoint a new senator until there is an election.

157 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:24:41am

re: #151 cliffster

Sup Lizards? Gorgeous day, thought I'd say howdy to my new friends before mowing the lawn.


It is a great day! Couldn't have asked for a bigger gift from Barry. Good morning and have a good day...

158 SpartanWoman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:24:44am

re: #155 cblesz

Romney is 60...sixty is young?

159 tankdemon  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:24:59am

re: #152 Maximu§

I like your avatar. Allons

160 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:25:18am

Both Fox and MSNBC coverage: "Biden walking down his driveway.. he's now getting into his car. It's being reported that Obama has finished working out..."

161 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:25:21am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Not even the ap can hide that obama's running scared from the "lack of experience" charge. I think it's pretty obvious that no one is impressed with this pick prick.

Fixed it for ya.

162 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:25:39am

re: #158 SpartanWoman

Romney is 60...sixty is young?


Young in the political world.

163 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:25:49am

Is obambi crazy?

Biden has been in washington longer than McCain has!
How is that change?

What a total dumbass getting pwned by CNN too.

He only did the text thing to get the unlisted cell phone numbers of his followers lol

164 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:25:55am

re: #152 Maximu§

Biden is a cheat?

165 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:00am

re: #158 SpartanWoman

Romney is 60...sixty is young?

Compared to some, yes.

/be careful, young 'un

166 TomH999  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:21am

Biden is a windbag who adds nothing to the ticket! This looks like a major stumble for BHO. Thank God!

167 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:26am

re: #142 Kenneth

The other thing I found funny about that article:

Obama can remind voters of some concrete achievements, in Illinois and Washington.

Really? Name one.

168 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:34am

re: #165 pre-Boomer Marine brat

good one...

169 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:40am

re: #158 SpartanWoman

Romney is 60...sixty is young?

Sixty is the new forty!

170 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:26:42am

re: #160 cliffster

Both Fox and MSNBC coverage: "Biden walking down his driveway.. he's now getting into his car. It's being reported that Obama has finished working out..."

What's next? Reporting on their bowel movements?

171 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:11am

re: #170 MandyManners

What's next? Reporting on their bowel movements?

On a slow news day, yes.

172 pleaseandthankyou  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:11am

Joe Biden is the single biggest blowhard in Washington. Someone should hook his mouth up to a power generator and tap into the constant flapping of his lips, which would create a new renewable energy source. This was Barack Obama's first important decision as would-be President and he showed extremely poor judgement.

173 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:12am

re: #166 TomH999


He adds plenty of material for John McCain's camp...priceless!

174 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:25am

re: #124 Jetpilot1101

Awesome! Can't wait for Laura, Rush, Howie, Hannity and the rest of the gang on Monday. It's going to be a day for the ages.

Me too!

It's a gorgeous day here....hope you have the same brilliant blue sky on the Cape.

175 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:28am

re: #170 MandyManners

What's next? Reporting on their bowel movements?

You missed that part of the broadcast?

176 apb1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:35am

re: #171 Jetpilot1101

Eh - wonder how Iraq's going?

177 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:48am

re: #170 MandyManners

What's next? Reporting on their bowel movements?

Good God, don't give them any ideas.

178 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:27:55am

re: #44 jorline

Please enlighten me on the Biden/Indian connection. I'm media challenged. I do know that Obama has courted the Native American vote in this state, and I'd certainly like a few arrows I could shoot at the in-laws to prove his worthlessness.

179 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:01am

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

OT -

It looks like some of us Lizards have been targetted in Il.

Illinois Woman Who Stabbed Lizards Sentenced.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Heck, her ex is lucky, he could have ended up with a Lorena Bobbitt snip.

180 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:13am

re: #160 cliffster

Both Fox and MSNBC coverage: "Biden walking down his driveway.. he's now getting into his car. It's being reported that Obama has finished working out..."

red-hot breaking news from the Fourth Estate, guardians of the Republic, protectors of the Common People, ....

181 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:22am

re: #164 MandyManners

Biden is a cheat?

Plagerizer. Multiple offenses.

182 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:26am

This is really very, very disturbing for me. I actually agree with the AP!
Must need more coffee or something!

183 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:33am

re: #174 loppyd

Me too!

It's a gorgeous day here....hope you have the same brilliant blue sky on the Cape.

We certainly do. I have to work tomorrow but I've been outside all morning and plan on being outside most of the afternoon.

184 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:35am

re: #150 hermeneutics

It varies from state to state, but in most states if he wins both seats the governor will appoint someone to fill the Senate seat temporarily. Then they may need to have a special election at some point. Delaware is a very safe Democrat state.

185 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:37am

...and since it is so beautiful out, the BF and I are off to scout wedding locations.

See you all later!

186 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:28:52am

Rush had already created a list of quotes from Biden on Friday...Monday is going to be beautiful. I simply wish the MSM would call this pick what it is...a mistake. If Barry had picked one of the "Indians" from seven eleven, they would all be saying it was a great pick.

187 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:01am

re: #132 cblesz

Romney, Pawlenty are two on the short list. How are THEY "ready" and someone like Palin is not. She is the governor of Alaska, very conservative and drilling, oil is a big issue. She is very much for drilling here and specifically is Alaska.

Romney could potentially deliver Michigan and even put Massachusetts in play. Pawlenty could deliver Minnesota.

McCain already has Alaska locked up.

Palin has plenty of time down the road. We've got an election to win here, not a beauty pageant.

188 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:12am

re: #183 Jetpilot1101

We certainly do. I have to work tomorrow but I've been outside all morning and plan on being outside most of the afternoon.

Enjoy!

Lets recap the Howie show Tues pm.

189 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:14am

re: #164 MandyManners

Biden is a cheat?

google BIDEN PLAGERIZE. he admitted doing it in school. During one of his Pres bids he plagerized word for word a speech by British Labor Party leader Neal Kinnock

190 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:15am

”I’ve had a great relationship (with Indian Americans). In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking,”

Biden

191 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:20am

re: #152 Maximu§

Either Obama is a Republican plant or the Democrats have a deathwish.


They are so committed to a blatantly false ideology that it has almost totally inverted their worldview and the way they mentally process information. Thus truths are treated as falsehoods ("Faux News", anyone?) and bad ideas are treated as good ideas.

It's time to call the nice men from the happy home.

192 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:27am

re: #155 cblesz

The choice for McCain just became easier. There is a black hole in the Dem ticket on Economic experience. Romney is the guy. Plus while some have said Romney appears too slick, Biden's smarminess factor makes Romney seem pleasing.

Romney is also very capable of raising $$

193 tankdemon  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:37am

re: #170 MandyManners

They will be broadcasting the acceptance speeches. Same thing, right?

194 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:29:49am

re: #121 alegrias

* * *
Your rah rah Palin campaign is tiresome.

As is anyone pushing for an northeastern RINO.

195 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:30:02am

Howdy real.

I'm having extra caffeine myself this morning. I keep thinking this is all a dream and that I'm going to wake up - poof! - and Biden will disappear.
;)

196 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:30:22am

re: #188 loppyd

Enjoy!

Lets recap the Howie show Tues pm.

You got it!

197 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:30:49am

re: #178 Cap'n DOC

Please enlighten me on the Biden/Indian connection. I'm media challenged. I do know that Obama has courted the Native American vote in this state, and I'd certainly like a few arrows I could shoot at the in-laws to prove his worthlessness.

Biden made some crack about (mocked) all 7-11 employees being from India.

198 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:31:06am

Coverage from Golden, Co.

I woke up. Went to the bathroom. Brewed a pot of peppermint leaves. Took 6 medications. Went to the bathroom. Petted my parrot. Played my Japanese slot machine for 5 minutes. Went to the bathroom. Drank some tea. Massaged my intestine back throught my hernia. Got two calls from 800 nunbers. Went to the bathroom.

Hey, I'm as pissing good as Obama and Biden on any Sat. morning.

199 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:31:09am

re: #182 realwest

You left the other thread before I could answer your last question

OK, just for entertainment value, I've indicated Romney's political problems with some folks over his being a Mormon; Jinhal is for teaching ID in public schools as part of Science courses.
They all have their faults, but ANY of 'em are MUCH better than Biden.

agreed , and this goes back to a thread from yesterday. You state that I've indicated Romney's political problems with some folks over his being a Mormon

Sad that in this day and age that matters. I recall the flap over Kennedy being Catholic. That was almost 50 years ago! With all the Presidents/ Vice Pres's we've had, Religion has NEVER played a part in them doing a good or poor job, IMHO

200 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:31:27am

re: #145 jester6

Biden's gaffes will not hurt BO.

McCain and Biden have very similar off the cuff speaking styles.
...
Biden's "gaffes" will be no more damaging during the campaign then GWBs were or McCain's are. ...

It depends what the gaffes say about the person. In Biden's case it's that he's an arrogant, condescending, borderline racist elitist. He's an out of touch Washington insider.

201 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:31:43am

Lizards from Michigan ... Does Romney (or his father) really have that great a reputation in MI? Can he really pull Michigan into the Republican column?

202 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:31:57am

re: #187 JammieWearingFool

Romney could potentially deliver Michigan and even put Massachusetts in play. Pawlenty could deliver Minnesota.

McCain already has Alaska locked up.

Palin has plenty of time down the road. We've got an election to win here, not a beauty pageant.


Please. Massachsetts? NO freaking chance. I know it is not a beauty pageant. However, a majority of the voting public view it that way. If we are going to choose the running mate for political purposes (put a state in play), then why not pick a young woman who has the same amount of experience as Romney and Pawlenty? She may not bring a state into play, but she surely adds plenty of the disgruntled Hillary vote simply because she is a woman.

203 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:32:06am

re: #132 cblesz

Romney, Pawlenty are two on the short list. How are THEY "ready" and someone like Palin is not. She is the governor of Alaska, very conservative and drilling, oil is a big issue. She is very much for drilling here and specifically is Alaska.

OK.
But, other than the oil drilling issue, what do you find her qualifications to be?
Yes, she's conservative.
And yes, Alaska is big - real estate wise. Not exactly massively populated though. I used to live there.
Please don't tell me you want her on the ticket just because she's female.

204 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:33:31am

Irene NYC

Plagerizer. Multiple offenses.

Thats what I read also...In 1965 Biden plagiarized while writing a paper as a student at the Syracuse University Law School in a legal methods course which he failed because of that copied paper.

205 apb1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:33:31am

re: #199 sattv4u2

How much of religion really matters, vs. how much the former-gatekeepers SAY it matters? It matters to THEM, in their minds, because it disturbs them...

206 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:33:45am

re: #198 Walter L. Newton

Coverage from Golden, Co.

I woke up. Went to the bathroom. Brewed a pot of peppermint leaves. Took 6 medications. Went to the bathroom. Petted my parrot. Played my Japanese slot machine for 5 minutes. Went to the bathroom. Drank some tea. Massaged my intestine back throught my hernia. Got two calls from 800 nunbers. Went to the bathroom.

Hey, I'm as pissing good as Obama and Biden on any Sat. morning.

I had a half-pound cheeseburger (with Havarti cheese) and fried potatoes for breakfast.

207 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:34:19am

re: #202 cblesz

she surely adds plenty of the disgruntled Hillary vote simply because she is a woman


OK. That's what I thought.

208 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:34:27am

re: #203 Killer Tomato

OK.
But, other than the oil drilling issue, what do you find her qualifications to be?
Yes, she's conservative.
And yes, Alaska is big - real estate wise. Not exactly massively populated though. I used to live there.
Please don't tell me you want her on the ticket just because she's female.

She is a Good Looking female. Makes a difference.

209 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:34:32am

I think the Obama campaign is toast.

On to other concerns...

210 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:34:37am

re: #203 Killer Tomato

OK.
But, other than the oil drilling issue, what do you find her qualifications to be?
Yes, she's conservative.
And yes, Alaska is big - real estate wise. Not exactly massively populated though. I used to live there.
Please don't tell me you want her on the ticket just because she's female.

She is the most conservative between herself, Romney and Pawlenty, period. Romney is going to be accused of flip flopping on abortion and creating a healthcare mess in Massachusetts. Palin being a woman is a bonus.

211 jorline  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:03am

re: #57 wright1

I said coffee - coffee I said! - by the way what is that on your forehead

Archie Bunker Biden...Archhiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

212 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:22am

re: #206 The Other Les

I had a half-pound cheeseburger (with Havarti cheese) and fried potatoes for breakfast.

Thanks TOL, I just decided what I'm having for breakfast.

213 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:28am

re: #189 sattv4u2

google BIDEN PLAGERIZE. he admitted doing it in school. During one of his Pres bids he plagerized word for word a speech by British Labor Party leader Neal Kinnock

Down to "I'm the first one in my family to go to college and my wife is the first one in her family" and "my ancestors were coal miners back in Wales Pennsylvania."

214 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:30am

Obama/Kinnock Biden 08

Yeah. . . .Thats the ticket.

215 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:35am

re: #159 tankdemon

I like your avatar. Allons

Allons forever. That was the one unit I was really proud to serve in.

216 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:46am

re: #205 apb1

How much of religion really matters, vs. how much the former-gatekeepers SAY it matters? It matters to THEM, in their minds, because it disturbs them...

I'll worry about "them" the day they screach about Harry Reid being a Mormon (funny how to them the religious beleifs of "their" people are inconsequential, but a conservatives are)

217 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:53am

Here it is. Biden's slur against Indians (with a camera in his face). Yeah, funny. Imagine if a republican had said this.

218 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:35:55am

re: #209 Wm T Sherman

I think the Obama campaign is toast.

On to other concerns...

Not quite toast but in sore need of life support. I don't think he'll get much of a bounce out of this decision and quite honestly, I don't think he gets much of a bounce after the convention.

219 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:24am

What an odd couple Obama and Biden make.

Sort of like Paris Hilton and Ernest Borgine.

Hilarity ensues.

220 akak  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:34am

re: #187 JammieWearingFool

Romney could potentially deliver Michigan and even put Massachusetts in play. Pawlenty could deliver Minnesota.

McCain already has Alaska locked up.

Palin has plenty of time down the road. We've got an election to win here, not a beauty pageant.


Yeah picking a VP who could deliver 1 state is much better.

221 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:41am

re: #213 Jim in Virginia

hehehehe ,, you've got it,, Biden not only stole Kinnicks WORDS ,, he stole his ANCESTORS !

222 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:44am

re: #187 JammieWearingFool

Romney could potentially deliver Michigan and even put Massachusetts in play. Pawlenty could deliver Minnesota.

McCain already has Alaska locked up.

Palin has plenty of time down the road. We've got an election to win here, not a beauty pageant.

Bullsh**. As I said on the previous thread, Palin is the ideal candidate. Savvy on energy issues and from an oil rich state that isn't Texas. A hunter and fisherwoman and NRA life member she appeals to us outdoorsy gun clinging types. A woman who has managed to combine family and career who will appeal to the PUMAS. It's not just about wrapping up the votes of a particular state. Palin has appeal all over flyover country and maybe in the coastal states as well. McCain needs to think outside the box here. Polenta as I like to call him is as bland as the taste of my nickname for him and Mitt Headroom is same old same old as well. Palin can appeal to a lot of different constituencies.

223 jorline  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:50am

re: #211 jorline

Archie Bunker Biden...Archhiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Guys like US, we had it made.
Those were the days..........

Everyone....sing along.

224 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:51am

re: #169 hermeneutics

Sixty is the new forty!

As someone who is over 60, I can say with complete confidence - BULLSHIT!

225 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:36:56am

re: #206 The Other Les

I had a half-pound cheeseburger (with Havarti cheese) and fried potatoes for breakfast.

Oh, you're mean. I've been on a diet for two years. I don't think I've had ANY beef in that time, and cheese (which I could shoot into my veins) only crosses my lips occasionally.

Can't we all just get along. Meany.

226 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #197 rwmofo

Oh. Indian Indians - not Native Americans.

Thanks.

227 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:37:37am

re: #210 cblesz


She does look like she has potential but this is really where you need someone who has been tested - Romney is tough and energetic and he does not say the wrong thing on the trail - he stays on message. Is he perfect? No. But he can be scrappy and believe me, Biden will hit below the belt.

228 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:37:54am

re: #201 hermeneutics

Lizards from Michigan ... Does Romney (or his father) really have that great a reputation in MI? Can he really pull Michigan into the Republican column?

* * *
Romney won the Michigan republican primary this year, so that might be an indicator. McCain won it in 2000 against Bush.

229 FightingBack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:37:59am

re: #217 rwmofo

Here it is. Biden's slur against Indians (with a camera in his face). Yeah, funny. Imagine if a republican had said this.

Macaca

230 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:02am

The problem is that Obama didn't get here because of his national campaigning, it's the ground operations. If HRC had caucused 1/10 as well as Obama, she would be picking her Veep right now. And it would probably be Obama.

231 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:07am

re: #226 Cap'n DOC

Oh. Indian Indians - not Native Americans.

Thanks.

India Indians, not Indian Indians !

232 godfrey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:08am

Presidents whose last names have more than two syllables:

Washington
Jefferson
Madison
Van Buren D
Harrison
Buchanan D
McKinley
Roosevelt D
Eisenhower
Kennedy D

I always bet on one or two syllable names. Stronger. The exceptions are rare.

233 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:12am

re: #224 realwest

As someone who is over 60, I can say with complete confidence - BULLSHIT!

Laughing here. As someone who is in her mid-forties, I can only hope my sixties are as great as my forties.

234 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:38am

I really think Biden is a going to go down as a good choice for BO. This choice is not going to affect dedicated Democratic or Republican voters.

You need to look at this choice through the eyes of those non-ideologue swing voters who want someone "to just shoot straight". They liked GWB against Gore, still voted for GWB against Kerry, and may have voted for McCain for similar reasons. Now they have a reason to consider the Democratic ticket because there VP is not as "nuanced" as Gore, Kerry or BO.

235 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:38:47am

re: #199 sattv4u2 I agree completely with your sentiments (although I confess to having some reservations about a Muslim POTUS!).

236 Swede  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:39:22am

Obama bin Biden.

237 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:39:49am

re: #219 The Shadow Do

What an odd couple Obama and Biden make.

Sort of like Paris Hilton and Ernest Borgine.

Hilarity ensues.

Not really. Ernest Borgnine has class. And he served in the Navy from 1935 to 1945.

238 CynicalConservative  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:40:02am

Where's JustMyView? Was looking forward to some head scratching...

239 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:04am

re: #238 CynicalConservative

Where's JustMyView? Was looking forward to some head scratching...

He will defend it with enthusiasm.

True believers never falter.

240 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:08am

re: #222 Colonel Panik

Bullsh**. As I said on the previous thread, Palin is the ideal candidate. Savvy on energy issues and from an oil rich state that isn't Texas. A hunter and fisherwoman and NRA life member she appeals to us outdoorsy gun clinging types. A woman who has managed to combine family and career who will appeal to the PUMAS. It's not just about wrapping up the votes of a particular state. Palin has appeal all over flyover country and maybe in the coastal states as well. McCain needs to think outside the box here. Polenta as I like to call him is as bland as the taste of my nickname for him and Mitt Headroom is same old same old as well. Palin can appeal to a lot of different constituencies.


Thank you. Well said.

241 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:14am

re: #238 CynicalConservative

Where's JustMyView? Was looking forward to some head scratching...

He's under his desk in the fetal position, whimpering.

242 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:16am

re: #237 The Other Les

Not really. Ernest Borgnine has class. And he served in the Navy from 1935 to 1945.

In my eyes, he lost all class credentials when he started publicizing his love for chokin' his chicken.

243 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:31am

"change agent". Love how the MSM have picked up on the Gramscian code words.

244 kcladderman  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:34am

re: #237 The Other Les

Not really. Ernest Borgnine has class. And he served in the Navy from 1935 to 1945.

I know I loved that show.
////

245 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:40am

re: #242 maddogg

In my eyes, he lost all class credentials when he started publicizing his love for chokin' his chicken.

Huh?

246 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:45am

re: #241 MandyManners

He's under his desk in the fetal position, whimpering.

Cognito is trying to console him

247 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:41:57am

re: #242 maddogg

In my eyes, he lost all class credentials when he started publicizing his love for chokin' his chicken.

Hadn't heard about that.

248 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:12am

re: #227 wright1

She does look like she has potential but this is really where you need someone who has been tested - Romney is tough and energetic and he does not say the wrong thing on the trail - he stays on message. Is he perfect? No. But he can be scrappy and believe me, Biden will hit below the belt.


He will have to be very careful with her simply because she is a woman. Hey, may not be right but it is true.

249 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:14am

re: #217 rwmofo

Here it is. Biden's slur against Indians (with a camera in his face). Yeah, funny. Imagine if a republican had said this.

* * *
As I noted elsewhere, ONE Republican said ONE word, "Macaca," to an Indian American opposition researcher Democrat following his campaign around with a camera, and that Republican is toast.

George Allen, anyone, and his macaca moment, trumps his executive experience as Virginia's hugely successful governor and 2 term senator.

Democrats are so hypocritical.

250 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:22am

re: #187 JammieWearingFool

Romney could potentially deliver Michigan and even put Massachusetts in play. Pawlenty could deliver Minnesota.
McCain already has Alaska locked up.
Palin has plenty of time down the road. We've got an election to win here, not a beauty pageant.

Romney and Pawlenty are both way too slick. Romney is OK because he has strong economic credentials. Pawlenty is a weasel, with his condescending "Sam's Club Republican" schtick.

McCain now has the opportunity to put together a ticket that's more forward-looking and "fresh" than the stale/bitter Obama/Biden ticket.

Palin would not be about Alaska, but about 'drill here, drill now'. She'll help win over the PUMA Hillary supporters and may help win in other north-western states.

My favorite is Paul Ryan - young, strong economic credentials, could deliver toss-up state Wisconsin.

251 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:26am

re: #234 jester6

You need to look at this choice through the eyes of those non-ideologue swing voters who want someone "to just shoot straight".

Um, even someone who said Obama was black, articulate fresh and clean" or who made the racist crack about Indians (from India?)?
I think picking Biden was an extremely poor choice for the Dems.

252 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:28am

Someone has already mentioned this, but Apu almost bought it with two brain aneurysms. Dementia anyone?

253 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:42:33am

re: #246 sattv4u2

Cognito is trying to console him

*snicker*

254 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:08am

re: #202 cblesz

Please. Massachsetts? NO freaking chance. I know it is not a beauty pageant. However, a majority of the voting public view it that way. If we are going to choose the running mate for political purposes (put a state in play), then why not pick a young woman who has the same amount of experience as Romney and Pawlenty? She may not bring a state into play, but she surely adds plenty of the disgruntled Hillary vote simply because she is a woman.

Follow the poll numbers. What was a 23-point edge for Bambi in Massachusetts is down to nine points. Romney was a popular governor there.

When I was up there a few weeks ago, all the Hillary lovers were telling me they're voting for McCain.

I think your hard-on for Palin is clouding your better judgment.

255 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:13am

re: #244 kcladderman

I know I loved that show.
////

Youtube Video

256 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:14am

re: #245 MandyManners

Huh?

he made a comment on one of the morning shows. he said something about still pounding his ,, umm,,,, welll, even at 91 years old

257 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:29am

Thanks Barack! You buried the Clintons and now your digging the hole for yourself.

Good play! What were we lizards worried about?

258 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:50am

re: #239 Syrah

He will defend it with enthusiasm.

True believers never falter.


Boy you ain't a kidding!
The koskids are giving Biden the love over there.
Even though he voted for the war, said obambi wasn't qualified to be pres and the mccain was.

The spinning over there is making me queasy.

259 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:43:55am

re: #256 sattv4u2

I knew I shouldn't have asked.

260 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:06am

re: #248 cblesz

He will have to be very careful with her simply because she is a woman. Hey, may not be right but it is true.

Biden will make a complete a** of himself in any debate against Sarah Palin and the women voters will nail him for it.

As that Cajun chef used to say "Ah gar-on-tee it!"

261 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:27am

re: #259 MandyManners

I knew I shouldn't have asked.

I wish you hadn't !

262 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:34am

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

263 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:38am

re: #258 Typicalwhitey

Boy you ain't a kidding!
The koskids are giving Biden the love over there.
Even though he voted for the war, said obambi wasn't qualified to be pres and the mccain was.

The spinning over there is making me queasy.

They must have clothes-pins super-glued on their noses.

264 FightingBack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:45am

The brain aneurysms trump McCain's melanoma.
Did they handpick this candidate for us, or what?

265 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:49am

re: #234 jester6

I really think Biden is a going to go down as a good choice for BO. This choice is not going to affect dedicated Democratic or Republican voters.

You need to look at this choice through the eyes of those non-ideologue swing voters who want someone "to just shoot straight". They liked GWB against Gore, still voted for GWB against Kerry, and may have voted for McCain for similar reasons. Now they have a reason to consider the Democratic ticket because there VP is not as "nuanced" as Gore, Kerry or BO.

Right, the Dems are going after the gullible idiot vote.

266 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #237 The Other Les

Not really. Ernest Borgnine has class. And he served in the Navy from 1935 to 1945.

Not a dig at Ernest. Just an odd visual fraught with no meaning.

267 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:44:53am

re: #256 sattv4u2

he made a comment on one of the morning shows. he said something about still pounding his ,, umm,,,, welll, even at 91 years old

dammit, sattv, now that image in right there in my retinas, following me around.

268 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:45:06am

re: #260 Colonel Panik

Biden will make a complete a** of himself in any debate against Sarah Palin and the women voters will nail him for it.

As that Cajun chef used to say "Ah gar-on-tee it!"

Mccain won't pick Palin (I'm not saying he shouldn't,,, i'm saying he won't)

269 runrabbitrun  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:45:07am

re: #199 sattv4u2


agreed , and this goes back to a thread from yesterday. You state that I've indicated Romney's political problems with some folks over his being a Mormon

Sad that in this day and age that matters. I recall the flap over Kennedy being Catholic. That was almost 50 years ago! With all the Presidents/ Vice Pres's we've had, Religion has NEVER played a part in them doing a good or poor job, IMHO

There's a fraction of (mostly) Evangelical voters who will find Romney's Mormonism unacceptable enough for them to stay home, but their numbers will be far smaller than we saw in the primaries, with the spoiler Huckabee out of the picture. I think those Romney warning flags have been mostly raised by MSM Dem pundits afraid of a ticket lightyears more powerful than their own.

270 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:45:29am

re: #262 rwmofo

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

I bet she rode better !

271 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:45:37am

What is this?

272 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:04am

re: #262 rwmofo

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

You matured early.

273 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:06am

Mandy, here you go..

274 opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:11am

The theme of the Democrats campaign will not be the war. It will be Class Warfare.

McCain can not pick Romney.

Two super rich guys will be a Democrat dream target.

Florida was going to McCain. Maybe not so fast.

Biden has a reputation of being very pro Israel. He may mitigate the unease of Florida Jews toward Obama.

Biden will be an attack dog. McCain needs one too.

One man fills in all sorts of needs for McCain.

275 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:26am

re: #246 sattv4u2
ROTFLMAO! Good one!

276 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:32am

re: #270 sattv4u2

*whack*

277 William  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:46:36am

Great Joe Biden video:

"You CANNOT go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent ... I'm not joking."

Youtube Video

278 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:11am

Gotta go mow the lousey lawn....:[

Can one of you rich republicans send your hired help over to my house? The maids and butlers are on vacation and my landscaper is on a union strike.

279 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:15am

re: #262 rwmofo

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

When I was 10 I went around rubbing vases hoping she would pop out of one.

280 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:26am

OK - that's the 3rd time this morning that my phone rang and when the machine picked up, the caller hung up.
Maybe I should change the message on the machine?
"I'm Killer Tomato, and I approved this message."
Too short?

281 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:28am

re: #274 opinionated

Who is that one man?

282 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:39am

re: #273 maddogg

Mandy, here you go..

Well, they seemed to have a great time on the set.

283 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:39am

re: #276 MandyManners

The coveted *Whack*!

284 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:43am

re: #274 opinionated
Who is that one man?

285 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:47:46am

re: #146 hermeneutics

Isn't is amazing that two people who correspond, though a continent apart, can talk online in real time? ... my (admiring) greetings to you!

Yes - its brilliant!
Even if - as just now - some real life in the form of a visitor 'intrudes' ...
They're gone now ...


(Same quality greetings back to you!)

286 loppyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:01am

re: #254 JammieWearingFool

Follow the poll numbers. What was a 23-point edge for Bambi in Massachusetts is down to nine points. Romney was a popular governor there.

When I was up there a few weeks ago, all the Hillary lovers were telling me they're voting for McCain.

I think your hard-on for Palin is clouding your better judgment.

and he is losing by double digits with men....

Now I'm really gone.

Later!

287 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:02am

re: #276 MandyManners

*whack*

WHAAA !?!?!?!?!?

288 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:12am

re: #278 Maximu§

Gotta go mow the lousey lawn....:[

Can one of you rich republicans send your hired help over to my house? The maids and butlers are on vacation and my landscaper is on a union strike.

Go down the the corner by the local home depot and say Trabajo! Trabajo!

289 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:16am

re: #278 Maximu§

Gotta go mow the lousey lawn....:[

Can one of you rich republicans send your hired help over to my house? The maids and butlers are on vacation and my landscaper is on a union strike.

Roseanne Barr has Gerald, her groundskeeper.

290 jill e  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:25am

Happiness is a thing called Joe [from Power Line]

Barack Obama's selection of Joe Biden as his running mate is underwhelming for many reasons, but it affords an opportunity to review a few of the moments that might have provided all the embarrassment a normal man would have needed to escape from public life. Michael Crowley profiled Senator Biden for the New Republic in October 2001, opening with a memorable scene:

It's a bright early October morning on Capitol Hill. Joe Biden is bounding up the steps of the Russell Senate Office Building, wearing his trademark grin. As he makes for the door, he is met by a group of airline pilots and flight attendants looking vaguely heroic in their navy-blue uniforms and wing-shaped pins. A blandly handsome man in a pilot's cap steps forward and asks Biden to help pass emergency benefits for laid-off airline workers. Biden nods as the men and women cluster around him with fawning smiles. Then he speaks. "I hope you will support my work on Amtrak as much as I have supported you," he begins. (Biden rides Amtrak to work every day and is obsessed with the railroad.) "If not, I will screw you badly."

A dozen faces fall in unison as Biden lectures on. "You've not been good to me. You're also damn selfish. You better listen to me..." It goes on like this for a couple of minutes. Strangely, Biden keeps grinning--even fraternally slapping the stunned man's shoulder a couple of times. When we finally head into the building, Biden's communications director, Norm Kurz, turns to me. "What you just witnessed is classic Senator Biden."

Crowley also pointed out one of Biden's characteristic verbal tics, emphasizing the disparity between his jocular tone and his serious intent:
In an odd verbal tic, he routinely interrupts himself to offer the assurance that he's "not being facetious." He opened his May 17 tax cut speech by saying: "I find this the single most fascinating debate I have been involved in in 28 years. I sincerely do. It is not a joke. I am not being facetious." Or when the anti-terrorism bill came up on CNN's "Crossfire" last month: "In full disclosure, I wrote that bill. I'm not being facetious." When "Crossfire" host Bill Press offered Biden the avuncular assurance that "it's really a great bill," Biden pressed on: "No. No. I'm not being facetious. I'm not being facetious when I say that."

San Diego Union-Tribune blogger Chris Reed recalls Biden's 1988 response in Claremont, New Hampshire to a question about his law school record from a man identified only as ''Frank.'' Biden looked at his questioner and said: ''I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do.''

Biden of course couldn't leave it at that. He is not known for his concision or care with the facts. He added that he ''went to law school on a full academic scholarship -- the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship.'' He also said that he ''ended up in the top half'' of his class and won a prize in an international moot court competition. Biden still wasn't done. In college, Biden said, he was ''the outstanding student in the political science department'' and ''graduated with three degrees from college.''

Reed then turns to Biden's subsequent statement on this exchange. At Syracuse College of Law, Biden graduated 76th in a class of 85. He acknowledged: ''I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inacurate.'' Just a slip of memory.

As for receiving three degrees, Biden conceded: ''I graduated from the University of Delaware with a double major in history and political science. My reference to degrees at the Claremont event was intended to refer to these majors -- I said 'three' and should have said 'two.''' His arithmetic was off.

[Read the whole thing at Power Line...]

291 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:38am

re: #279 Colonel Panik

When I was 10 I went around rubbing vases hoping she would pop out of one.

mustrefrainmustrefrainmustrefrain

292 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:39am

re: #279 Colonel Panik

When I was 10 I went around rubbing vases hoping she would pop out of one.

I used to rub sumfin else thinking of her !

293 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:48:53am

re: #254 JammieWearingFool

Follow the poll numbers. What was a 23-point edge for Bambi in Massachusetts is down to nine points. Romney was a popular governor there.

When I was up there a few weeks ago, all the Hillary lovers were telling me they're voting for McCain.

I think your hard-on for Palin is clouding your better judgment.

* * *
Why Hillary/dem/greenGaia Earth & birthcontrol worshipping supporters would relate to, much less support an Alaskan Drill Here, Drill Now conservative gun toting female with five kids who's a hottie as is Palin, is wishful thinking in my opinion.

Though I wish they would.

294 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:49:06am

re: #291 MandyManners

mustrefrainmustrefrainmustrefrain

I didn't !

295 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:49:25am

re: #279 Colonel Panik

When I was 10 I went around rubbing vases hoping she would pop out of one.

Nope, not going to go thier, I'll pass this on to Earnst.

296 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:49:42am

re: #262 rwmofo

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

Heck, when I was about five I was thinking three-way with her and Catwoman.

297 Maximu§  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:00am

re: #288 Colonel Panik

Go down the the corner by the local home depot and say Trabajo! Trabajo!


LOL, and watch as they stampede towards my Limo...er, pick-up truck.

298 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:11am

Barbara Eden ...shwing!

299 Sizzlack  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:12am

Sometimes a look at the front page of the Daily Kos is better than putting on the Comedy Channel. Every single diary on the front page is about Joe Biden, and the Kossacks are falling all over themselves to heap as much praise on him as possible, and spin his selection as damaging to McCain in every way possible. Ahhh to be a moonbat.

300 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:38am

re: #273 maddogg

Mandy, here you go..

I love that. Masturbating keeps you young!

301 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:42am

re: #260 Colonel Panik

Biden will make a complete a** of himself in any debate against Sarah Palin and the women voters will nail him for it.

As that Cajun chef used to say "Ah gar-on-tee it!"

Yes, you don't want another glib talking suit like Pawlenty or Romney going up against Biden. McCain should get some contrast, a straight talking outdoorsy woman like Sarah Palin or a sincere young guy like Paul Ryan who would demolish Biden on economic issues. Anyway, get a Washington outsider!

302 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:49am

re: #292 sattv4u2

I used to rub sumfin else thinking of her !

Ya know, I posted a "sly" reply to this, going in your direction, but You, you had to take it to the max. LOL.

303 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:56am

re: #290 jill e

Talk about being tone-deaf!

304 Cognito  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:50:58am

re: #246 sattv4u2

Cognito is trying to console him

Yeah. I'm a huge Joe Biden fan, so I would understand....

(Where do you get this trash?)

305 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:51:00am

re: #291 MandyManners

mustrefrainmustrefrainmustrefrain

Don't hold back.. just do it! rubbing vases, rubbing vases, rubbing vases...

306 maddogg  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:51:31am

re: #299 Sizzlack

Sometimes a look at the front page of the Daily Kos is better than putting on the Comedy Channel. Every single diary on the front page is about Joe Biden, and the Kossacks are falling all over themselves to heap as much praise on him as possible, and spin his selection as damaging to McCain in every way possible. Ahhh to be a moonbat.

Their one great talent is self delusion.

307 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:51:57am

re: #280 Killer Tomato
Hey KT - we've had some calls that stop just before the answering machine get's 'em. When we dial
*69 to get the number of who it was that called, we get a recorded message saying words to the effect that "the last number that called you is not known"
have you been getting any calls like that?

308 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:03am

re: #258 Typicalwhitey

Boy you ain't a kidding!
The koskids are giving Biden the love over there.
Even though he voted for the war, said obambi wasn't qualified to be pres and the mccain was.

The spinning over there is making me queasy.

All of the unpleasant truths will be swept away and remade anew.

For them, reality is only made up of those things that they think will help them.

309 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:07am

re: #152 Maximu§

With 350 million people in the USA...the Democrats have put up someone with no real experience, a deranged wife who hates America despite all the riches she’s gained from living here, a 20 year member of a Black racist church led by Rev. Wright (who just happened to have married them and baptised their children).

Now Barack Hussein Obama selects someone who’s been in the US Senate since 1972 and twice failed for the White House because he was a proven cheat. Either Obama is a Republican plant or the Democrats have a deathwish.

LOL, that' it.
obama is a republican plant.

310 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:09am

re: #299 Sizzlack

Sometimes a look at the front page of the Daily Kos is better than putting on the Comedy Channel. Every single diary on the front page is about Joe Biden, and the Kossacks are falling all over themselves to heap as much praise on him as possible, and spin his selection as damaging to McCain in every way possible. Ahhh to be a moonbat.


Ol' biden is an attack dog don't cha know!
koskids are the biggest friggin hypocrites!

Wonder how ol' kos himself is going to react to this news.

311 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:41am

*shaking head*

312 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:42am

re: #300 FrogMarch

I love that. Masturbating keeps you young!

I don't have a link right now, but I read a study that backs you up. It was more geared to having intercourse, but it all works the same. It's good for your health if you are over 50.

313 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:52:51am

re: #251 realwest

Those are two great examples to make my point.

He was paying Obama a compliment... if Biden had said that about a white guy it would not have been a big deal. Those middle-of-the-roaders not offended by that comment. Further the MSM reaction to the comment probably earned Biden some sympathy from swing voters.

Same thing about the Indian so-called-Slur. Biden was talking about how his state is very immigrant friendly. And so what if he made a crack about Indians owning all the 7-11s, gas stations and convenience stores. Not only does that statement match the swing-voters real life experience, but it certainly is not offensive to note that a certain immigrant groups use these small businesses as the first step on the ladder up to the middle class.

Make those two statements (in context) to a non-ideologue swing voter and they will not find them offensive. It matches their perceptions of the real world. Not only does it not hurt Biden, it gives him credibility when he talks about something that particular voter does not understand... because they feel Biden "gets it".

It's the same reason McCain can get away with gaffes that would kill a pre-processed politician like Obama or Romney.

314 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #309 nyc redneck

LOL, that' it.
obama is a republican plant.


SOMEHOW.....rove is running his campaign!

315 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:53:33am

re: #304 Cognito

Yeah. I'm a huge Joe Biden fan, so I would understand....

(Where do you get this trash?)

my comment was about you consoling JMV ,, not praising BIDEN ,, BTW ,, here's a Gift Certificate. Invest it ina sense of HUMOR!

316 humpty dumpty was pushed  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:53:50am

It seems Obama has chosen yet another badly flawed father figure to guide his rudderless, inner core. The crazy preacher...now Biden, the egomaniacal party hack/motormouth. Gawd, I almost feel sorry him - 47 years old and still latching on to these nutcases for guidance.

317 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:54:17am

re: #278 Maximu§

Gotta go mow the lousey lawn....:[

Can one of you rich republicans send your hired help over to my house? The maids and butlers are on vacation and my landscaper is on a union strike.

* * *
Silly rabbit, rich republicans own CONDOs which don't require you to mow them personally.

318 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:54:29am

mmmm, coffee and pizza. Go together like Ozzie and Harriet

319 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:54:47am

Sucks to be Hillary.

320 akak  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:55:11am

re: #235 realwest

I agree completely with your sentiments (although I confess to having some reservations about a Muslim POTUS!).

A Muslim POTUS? creepy phrase like hanging chad

If a [bigoted word] takes the office USA won't be the name for very long.

Islami al Amreeka

/nightmares

321 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:55:33am

re: #319 kuffar

Sucks to be Hillary.

She has a 4 year calender, already crossing off the days !@

322 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:55:34am

When Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate, John McCain was still a POW in Hanoi.

McCain spent more time as a POW than Obama has a US Senator.

323 pat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:55:40am

"Mr Biden, how many hair plugs do you have?"
"I'ii get back to you on that."

324 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:56:19am

re: #296 JammieWearingFool

Heck, when I was about five I was thinking three-way with her and Catwoman.

Some of these responses make me laugh...however, some...ummm.

As a very immature 51 year-old, I'd bet she still looks hot today - for someone over....NO! Don't say it!

325 Cognito  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:56:21am

re: #315 sattv4u2

my comment was about you consoling JMV ,, not praising BIDEN ,, BTW ,, here's a Gift Certificate. Invest it ina sense of HUMOR!

Yes, I got the bit about JMV. But the source of the jokey problem was obviously Biden's addition to the ticket.

I just get a little weary of this junk because it's untrue, but if people read it enough they start to believe it.

326 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:56:37am

re: #323 pat

"Mr Biden, how many hair plugs do you have?"
"I'ii get back to you on that."

Have you looked at him? Apparently he is no member of the Hair Club for Men...

327 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:56:47am

re: #281 cblesz

Who is that one man?

Who comes to mind?

Experienced and very successful executive.

Respected for both domestic and security reasons.

Helps win Florida not only because Jews adore him.

Can be even more vicious then Biden as an attack dog.

The VP debate could be exciting enough to charge for viewing.

The Democrats will find not a single video of him ever ridiculing McCain. On the contrary.

So much more.

Who fits that bill?

328 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:56:52am

re: #307 realwest

Hey KT - we've had some calls that stop just before the answering machine get's 'em. When we dial
*69 to get the number of who it was that called, we get a recorded message saying words to the effect that "the last number that called you is not known"
have you been getting any calls like that?

yip

329 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:57:09am

re: #321 sattv4u2

She has a 4 year calender, already crossing off the days !@

Even if Obama wins, she'll probably still run in 2012 primaries

330 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:57:36am

Getting hair plugs is more honest than touching your hair up with fake silver to appear mature.

331 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:57:48am

re: #327 Opinionated

Who comes to mind?

Experienced and very successful executive.

Respected for both domestic and security reasons.

Helps win Florida not only because Jews adore him.

Can be even more vicious then Biden as an attack dog.

The VP debate could be exciting enough to charge for viewing.

The Democrats will find not a single video of him ever ridiculing McCain. On the contrary.

So much more.

Who fits that bill?

This isn't a freaking game show...just tell us. I am assuming you are referring to Lieberman...BAD, BAD choice if that is it.

332 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:57:51am

re: #316 humpty dumpty was pushed

It seems Obama has chosen yet another badly flawed father figure to guide his rudderless, inner core. The crazy preacher...now Biden, the egomaniacal party hack/motormouth. Gawd, I almost feel sorry him - 47 years old and still latching on to these nutcases for guidance.

BINGO! A thousand updings for that insight! Something about Obama that is fatally attracted to angry old lefty men...

333 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:04am

re: #265 Peter Verkooijen
re: #265 Peter Verkooijen

Right, the Dems are going after the gullible idiot vote.

I wouldn't consider the swing voters who voted for GWB gullible. As a matter of fact, I would consider them much more thoughtful then most voters on either side who vote straight ticket. These people actually think about who they are going to vote for. There are not a lot of them out there but it only takes 2% or 3% points to win an election.

The election is really about appealing to that %5 or %10 who might switch parties. Most of the people who claim they are undecided just haven't checked who is in what party yet - they vote ticket/ideology anyway.

334 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:06am

re: #322 Kenneth

re: #323 pat

If the number of houses Mccain has comes up in the debates, McCain should look Obama square in the eyes and say
" I have one house for every year I spent in the Hanoi Hilton. I have as many rooms in each house as the number of teeth of mine the Vietnamese captors broke. I have as many bathrooms in each house as the number of my bones they broke! "

335 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:37am

re: #330 MandyManners

Getting hair plugs is more honest than touching your hair up with fake silver to appear mature.

I know!  Has anyone noticed that about Obama...he got the just for men "touch of grey" going...

336 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:40am

re: #296 JammieWearingFool When you were FIVE?!
Uh, Jammie, you know you're my friend, but I mean come on.........FIVE?
Shoot I was four, myself!
/

337 kevinmumaw  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:41am

OT: Obama to amend report on $800,000 in spending

I started following the links...This could be huge. Looks like Obama is complicit in setting up an illegal left-wing slush fund, and is actually still doing it. Michelle Malkin has a lot on this, but admittedly I did not pay much attention until today. Change my ass.

338 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:57am

Can just see the Political Cartoon - Two Cannons, Named Obama and Biden, rolling on the deck of the "Man 'o War" Democratic Party. Oh, and Charles - saw the "Roundy Corners" yesterday using FF and wondered if I had a browser problem. Went back in with IE and corners were square. Was a thing that made me go "Hmmmm..." - so thanks for 'fessing up.

-S-

339 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:58:57am

re: #325 Cognito

Yes, I got the bit about JMV. But the source of the jokey problem was obviously Biden's addition to the ticket.

I just get a little weary of this junk because it's untrue, but if people read it enough they start to believe it.

fair enough,, so I'll start this campaign for you

LIZARDS ,,, COGNITO IS NOT A BIDEN FAN!

there

340 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:11am

re: #330 MandyManners

Getting hair plugs is more honest than touching your hair up with fake silver to appear mature.

People do that? Guys only, I'd guess.

341 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:22am

re: #334 sattv4u2

B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T!

342 pat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:26am

re: #290 jill e

Wow. Is this man crazy?

343 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:26am

re: #329 cliffster

Even if Obama wins, she'll probably still run in 2012 primaries

absolutely

344 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:27am

Lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.

Biden..... 13.04

Obama..... 7.67


McCain? 82.16


The (D)s are running are left.

345 Egfrow  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 9:59:36am

Talk about Cronyism! Delaware is a very very small state and full of Cronies and Biden has brushed shoulders with them all. There is allot of dirt to dig up here.

346 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:30am

re: #344 jcm

Lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.

Biden..... 13.04

Obama..... 7.67


McCain? 82.16


The (D)s are running are left.

HARD LEFT


PIMF

347 Zombie_Killian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:39am

Quick! How many houses does Biden have!?

348 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:43am

re: #299 Sizzlack
Huh, I thought early on in the Primaries the Koskidz were dissing him like crazy?!
Have they had a change of heart? Have they not read the AP story at the top that Charles so kindly provided?

349 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:44am

re: #344 jcm

Lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.

Biden..... 13.04

Obama..... 7.67


McCain? 82.16


The (D)s are running are left.

I didn't think that Obama would rate so high.

350 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:45am

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Who do you think he's going to pick? I still think Lieberman is a nice choice. Could Massachusetts be a swing state?

Sorry for the delay here KT, Kasey jumped on my chest and smothered me to let me know it was time for a walk.
While I can pick who's probably the next P of Pakistan, politics in the US is much more complex. I refuse to speculate.

351 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:00:54am

I want to come back to this idea that the 3am announcement somehow shows obama as being ready for a 3am phone call-

Trying to display this with a VP pick is weak at best and idiotic otherwise. He's had weeks to make this decision, and the press was buzzing well before 3am. If that was really what the obama camp was thinking- they must think the electorate is pretty stupid. Announcing your veep at 3am on a Saturday morning just shows no ability to grasp and manipulate timing. Friday afternoon would have been best- he really screwed manipulating the news cycle, and I think it shows incompetence. Worst Veep announcement ever.

352 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:02am

re: #337 kevinmumaw

OT: Obama to amend report on $800,000 in spending

I started following the links...This could be huge. Looks like Obama is complicit in setting up an illegal left-wing slush fund, and is actually still doing it. Michelle Malkin has a lot on this, but admittedly I did not pay much attention until today. Change my ass.

Didn't he do some legal work for ACORN?

353 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:07am

re: #336 realwest

When you were FIVE?!
Uh, Jammie, you know you're my friend, but I mean come on.........FIVE?
Shoot I was four, myself!
/

I matured early.

354 silversmith  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:16am

maybe Mr Biden can comment about this:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I wonder what he would say?

355 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:16am

re: #322 Kenneth

When Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate, John McCain was still a POW in Hanoi.

McCain spent more time as a POW than Obama has a US Senator.

* * *
When John McCain was stuck in POW camp in Hanoi in 1972, Joe Biden probably voted AGAINST Nixon's mining of Haiphong Harbor and bombing of Hanoi = the SURGE which got our POWs released in 1973.

Biden was running his mouth in the Senate while McCain was still cursing out VietCong torturers from his bamboo cage.

356 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:22am

re: #347 Zombie_Killian

Quick! How many houses does Biden have!?

Counting his doll house?

357 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:24am

re: #316 humpty dumpty was pushed

It seems Obama has chosen yet another badly flawed father figure to guide his rudderless, inner core. The crazy preacher...now Biden, the egomaniacal party hack/motormouth. Gawd, I almost feel sorry him - 47 years old and still latching on to these nutcases for guidance.

He never got over his father abandoning him.
And if he gets elected, the entire country will have to pay for that.

358 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:26am

re: #349 rwmofo

I didn't think that Obama would rate so high.

Eighth points for voting Present.

359 Lawrior  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:30am

re: #334 sattv4u2

re: #323 pat

If the number of houses Mccain has comes up in the debates, McCain should look Obama square in the eyes and say
" I have one house for every year I spent in the Hanoi Hilton. I have as many rooms in each house as the number of teeth of mine the Vietnamese captors broke. I have as many bathrooms in each house as the number of my bones they broke! "

Bravo.

360 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:40am

Veeping here. Females only.

1. What do you think of Olympia Snowe -- the liberal Republican senator from a low-electoral-vote state (Maine).

2. Meg Whitman.

3. Hutchinson (but she's from TX).

4. Carly Fiorina (no legislative experience.)

5. And yes, Palin.

Are there others?

361 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #351 Sharmuta

He announced it at 3:00 a.m.?

362 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:02:14am

re: #331 cblesz

This isn't a freaking game show...just tell us. I am assuming you are referring to Lieberman...BAD, BAD choice if that is it.

Not even Close

Giuliani.

363 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:02:20am

re: #323 pat

"Mr Biden, how many hair plugs do you have?"
"I'ii get back to you on that."

* * *
Catty but bet Biden has spent more on dental work than McCain has.

364 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:02:43am

re: #334 sattv4u2

re: #323 pat

If the number of houses Mccain has comes up in the debates, McCain should look Obama square in the eyes and say
" I have one house for every year I spent in the Hanoi Hilton. I have as many rooms in each house as the number of teeth of mine the Vietnamese captors broke. I have as many bathrooms in each house as the number of my bones they broke! "

"I have an elder aunt who lives in one. Where does your brother live?"

365 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:02:51am

re: #227 wright1

She does look like she has potential but this is really where you need someone who has been tested - Romney is tough and energetic and he does not say the wrong thing on the trail - he stays on message. Is he perfect? No. But he can be scrappy and believe me, Biden will hit below the belt.

Biden hitting be,ow the belt against a woman - well, wouldn't that be hugely damaging in the eyes of all those independents who still have some chivalry left in them?

And, correct me if I'm wrong, don't goverrnors also get elected? Thus Palin would have some experience, wouldn't she ..

366 rightymouse  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:02:58am

re: #332 Kenneth

BINGO! A thousand updings for that insight! Something about Obama that is fatally attracted to angry old lefty men...

Sort of like his own biological father?

367 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:16am

re: #361 MandyManners

Yes.

368 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:36am

re: #362 Opinionated


How does Guliani wion Florida? he got killed in the primary. I like Guliani, but do not think he is the best choice.

369 apb1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:42am

re: #363 alegrias

ER - don't think Biden had his teeth smashed out under torture ...he's just vain.

370 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:46am

re: #322 Kenneth
Yet another GREAT POST!
Thanks!

371 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:46am

re: #361 MandyManners

He announced it at 3:00 a.m.?

Yes. he had to wait fro Michelle to go to sleep. She wanted him to pick Bernardine Dohrn

372 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:49am

re: #333 jester6

re: #265 Peter Verkooijen
I wouldn't consider the swing voters who voted for GWB gullible. As a matter of fact, I would consider them much more thoughtful then most voters on either side who vote straight ticket. ... Most of the people who claim they are undecided just haven't checked who is in what party yet - they vote ticket/ideology anyway.

Yes, of course elections are won in the middle. I meant that you are a gullible idiot if you believe Biden is a moderate straight shooter.

373 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:03:51am

re: #364 jcm

"I have an elder aunt who lives in one. Where does your brother live?"

Zing.

374 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:03am

re: #330 MandyManners

Getting hair plugs is more honest than touching your hair up with fake silver to appear mature.

* * *
How so? One is surgery and implanting foreign objects in one's skull!

375 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:04am

re: #367 Sharmuta

Yes.

Why?!

376 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:16am

re: #343 sattv4u2
re: #329 cliffster

If Obama wins I doubt he will run in 4 years. Even if he does he will have serious competition in the primary. Think LBJ and Carter.

377 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:32am

re: #351 Sharmuta

I want to come back to this idea that the 3am announcement somehow shows obama as being ready for a 3am phone call-

Trying to display this with a VP pick is weak at best and idiotic otherwise. He's had weeks to make this decision, and the press was buzzing well before 3am. If that was really what the obama camp was thinking- they must think the electorate is pretty stupid. Announcing your veep at 3am on a Saturday morning just shows no ability to grasp and manipulate timing. Friday afternoon would have been best- he really screwed manipulating the news cycle, and I think it shows incompetence. Worst Veep announcement ever.

It makes me wonder what was in the trashpile Friday afternoon that this is designed to gloss over. I don't think the O is that dumb, this is designed to distract from something. I was tied up and didn't get a chance to dig through the Friday night trashdump of press releases and court announcements, anybody else get the chance?

378 silversmith  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:37am

Where does his brother live? I am asking cause I don't know.

379 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:04:39am

Hats off to Obama for picking a young vibrant guy. Biden is only 65.

380 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:02am

re: #368 cblesz

How does Guliani wion Florida? he got killed in the primary. I like Guliani, but do not think he is the best choice.

He doesn't have to win Florida - McCain does. And he did it once this year already.

381 jelo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:03am

checkout msnbc...got mathews and gouberman giving hummers to the duo....they love it!

382 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:26am

re: #375 MandyManners

Well- it was speculated up thread that it was to demonstrate barry could make a decision should he get a 3am phone call. I think that if that's what the obama people were thinking that it's just stupid.

383 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:30am

re: #368 cblesz

How does Guliani wion Florida? he got killed in the primary. I like Guliani, but do not think he is the best choice.

Guiliani + McCain wins Florida.

384 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:44am

re: #374 alegrias

* * *
How so? One is surgery and implanting foreign objects in one's skull!

To me, it's more up-front to want to appear younger than wanting to appear older.

385 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:47am

re: #328 Killer Tomato
Well, you're sure no Joe Biden when it comes to answers! LOL!
Aside from Yip, do you know what kind of telephone call could elicit that sorta response? Cell phones leave a number, don't they?!

386 Zombie_Killian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:52am

re: #381 jelo

Any tingling reported?

387 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:57am

re: #334 sattv4u2

re: #323 pat

If the number of houses Mccain has comes up in the debates, McCain should look Obama square in the eyes and say
" I have one house for every year I spent in the Hanoi Hilton. I have as many rooms in each house as the number of teeth of mine the Vietnamese captors broke. I have as many bathrooms in each house as the number of my bones they broke! "

* * *
McCain should just have said, Ask My Wife, She Bought them all.

388 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:05:58am

re: #378 silversmith

Where does his brother live? I am asking cause I don't know.

In a shack in Kenya.

389 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:00am

re: #380 cliffster

He doesn't have to win Florida - McCain does. And he did it once this year already.


When? I thought he got smoked in Florida? I understand Guliani doesn't have to win Fla...but it was suggested that he helps McCain win it...

390 trailortrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:07am

re: #378 silversmith

Where does his brother live? I am asking cause I don't know.

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

391 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:11am

It would also put NY potentially in play.

392 pat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:19am

According to Michel Medved, and most you may know this, McCain was stumped because the question was worded how many houses do you and Cindy own. It turns out that McCain owns no houses. All 7 properties are in Cindy's name and McCain has never asked that he be put on title nor has he paid much attention to Cindy's money. In fact he may not even know her net worth. That is why he was confused. The fact that he once asked to be put on title does say a lot about his character as well as how solid his marriage is.

393 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:24am

re: #383 Thanos

Guiliani + McCain wins Florida.

Florida is ours anyway. Obama doesn't have a chance of winning this state. I'm worried about Virginia, not Florida.

394 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:29am

re: #318 cliffster

mmmm, coffee and pizza. Go together like Ozzie and Harriet

coffee and a cheeseburger is hard to beat too.

395 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:34am

re: #360 hermeneutics

Veeping here. Females only.
1. What do you think of Olympia Snowe -- the liberal Republican senator from a low-electoral-vote state (Maine).
2. Meg Whitman.
3. Hutchinson (but she's from TX).
4. Carly Fiorina (no legislative experience.)
5. And yes, Palin.

Are there others?

Carly Fiorina was a miserable failure at HP. Wasn't Whitman on her way out at eBay as well?

396 cyclown  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:34am

Mega Disasters on the Hitler channel. When can we expect the subject to be the 2008 Democrat presidential and vice-presidential nomination? Aaron Burr is rolling over in his grave.

397 silversmith  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:44am

re: #388 MandyManners

TY

398 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:48am

re: #382 Sharmuta

Well- it was speculated up thread that it was to demonstrate barry could make a decision should he get a 3am phone call. I think that if that's what the obama people were thinking that it's just stupid.

It's beyond stupid. It goes into the realm of insanity.

399 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:06:51am

re: #375 MandyManners

Why?!

Mandy,

Because Obama is
a. a dumbass
b. incompetent
c. afraid that his vp choice will piss off the nutroots
d. let it go on so long that cnn beat him to the punch.

and
E. the "text" thing was a ruse to get all those unlisted cell phone numbers!

400 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:11am

re: #330 MandyManners
Hi Mandy! Would real silver be any better?
/ducks to avoid *whack*

401 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:20am

re: #290 jill e

Oh, man1


Crowley's TNR profile concludes with a striking example of Biden's foreign policy sophistication. In the wake of 9/11, in a meeting with his staff, Biden experienced an epiphany:

Biden launches into a stream-of-consciousness monologue about what his [Senate Foreign Relations] committee should be doing, before he finally admits the obvious: "I'm groping here." Then he hits on an idea: America needs to show the Arab world that we're not bent on its destruction. "Seems to me this would be a good time to send, no strings attached, a check for $200 million to Iran," Biden declares. He surveys the table with raised eyebrows, a How do ya like that? look on his face.

402 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:32am

re: #368 cblesz

How does Guliani wion Florida? he got killed in the primary. I like Guliani, but do not think he is the best choice.

Primary was for Republicans only. Even there, by Florida a vote for Giuliani was a vote against McCain.

Giuliani's legion of fans in Florida are Democrats. Retired from his neck of the woods.

With Biden, they will be more comfortable voting the usual Democrat ticket. Only Giuliani helps change that equation.

403 pat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:38am

re: #339 sattv4u2

Oh we got the sense of that. check out top comments. Cog is updinged for the fist time. lol

404 Lawrior  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:49am

re: #329 cliffster

Even if Obama wins, she'll probably still run in 2012 primaries

Does anyone think that she will let that happen? Given the video of a drunken Biden dancing posted earlier, why should we think that the Clintons will do anything other than sabotage this run? Who on the Right would have access to video like that?

405 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:07:59am

re: #382 Sharmuta

Well- it was speculated up thread that it was to demonstrate barry could make a decision should he get a 3am phone call. I think that if that's what the obama people were thinking that it's just stupid.

Carl Cameron said some PUMA types told him they thought it was a veiled shot at Hillary.

The reality is, the Secret Service showing up at Biden's house tipped off the media that it was Biden by 11 p.m. last night and Obama was looking stupid withholding the text message after every single network had independently confirmed it was Biden.

406 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:05am

re: #395 Peter Verkooijen

Carly Fiorina was a miserable failure at HP. Wasn't Whitman on her way out at eBay as well?

I'm not sure about Whitman's tenure at eBay, but wouldn't it be fun to put a female corporate exec on the ticket?

Change?

407 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:19am

re: #385 realwest

Well, you're sure no Joe Biden when it comes to answers! LOL!
Aside from Yip, do you know what kind of telephone call could elicit that sorta response? Cell phones leave a number, don't they?!

I'm guessing polls, political organizations, groups looking for donations... geeze - I dunno, maybe my credit card payment is late.
;-)

408 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:28am

re: #372 Peter Verkooijen


I wouldn't call Biden moderate, but neither was GWB in 2000. There are a lot of people out there who want someone to tell them the truth - even if they do not agree with it.

GWB went built a case for war that largely was not true (at least according to the hard left) and should have lost in a landslide in 2004. But swing voters still believed him when he said that based on what he knew at the time he made the correct decision. They forgave him because they thought he was a straight shooter - even when he was wrong.

409 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:44am

re: #399 Typicalwhitey

Mandy,

Because Obama is
a. a dumbass
b. incompetent
c. afraid that his vp choice will piss off the nutroots
d. let it go on so long that cnn beat him to the punch.

and
E. the "text" thing was a ruse to get all those unlisted cell phone numbers!

It makes no sense.

410 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:57am

re: #392 pat

actually, it's in a pre-nup agreement (insisted on by her family at the time ) that his name is on nothing

411 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:08:57am

Obama could have picked Spongebob Squarepants and Chrissy Matthews and Olberdouch would have mountains of praise.

412 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:09:21am

re: #400 realwest

Hi Mandy! Would real silver be any better?
/ducks to avoid *whack*

Of course it'd be better. It'd be for real, and not some ploy to appear more mature, to have gravitas.

413 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:09:29am

re: #383 Thanos

Guiliani + McCain wins Florida.

McCain's already winning in FL. He needs MI- Romney did well there.

414 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:12am

re: #401 BignJames

Oh, man1


Crowley's TNR profile concludes with a striking example of Biden's foreign policy sophistication. In the wake of 9/11, in a meeting with his staff, Biden experienced an epiphany:

Biden launches into a stream-of-consciousness monologue about what his [Senate Foreign Relations] committee should be doing, before he finally admits the obvious: "I'm groping here." Then he hits on an idea: America needs to show the Arab world that we're not bent on its destruction. "Seems to me this would be a good time to send, no strings attached, a check for $200 million to Iran," Biden declares. He surveys the table with raised eyebrows, a How do ya like that? look on his face.

He was just leading by example.

415 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:14am

re: #389 cblesz

When? I thought he got smoked in Florida? I understand Guliani doesn't have to win Fla...but it was suggested that he helps McCain win it...

McCain got smoked in Florida? Or did I dangle a participal? Dammit, sorry, hate when I do that.

416 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:14am

re: #347 Zombie_Killian
ELEVEN!

417 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:30am

I'm still saying there's something in the trash heap we missed, big things on Friday night are to disguise trash dumps.

418 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:41am

re: #391 Thanos

It would also put NY potentially in play.

hope so.
i'd like my vote to count.

419 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:46am

re: #369 apb1

ER - don't think Biden had his teeth smashed out under torture ...he's just vain.

* * *
That's my point. McCain's wife could have McCain's teeth goldplated, if McCain were vain.

Instead, McCain wears decent shoes to cushion his broken bones, and democrats whine about McCain's loafers.

Democrats loved it when OJ Simpson wore Bruno Magli italian shoes!

420 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:55am

re: #378 silversmith

Where does his brother live? I am asking cause I don't know.

Scroll down for pictures.

421 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:57am

re: #388 MandyManners

In a shack in Kenya.

Then he'd better watch out for the mngwa!

422 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:10:58am

re: #409 MandyManners

It makes no sense.


You have just defined obambis judgement lol!

423 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:11:29am

re: #404 Lawrior

Does anyone think that she will let that happen? Given the video of a drunken Biden dancing posted earlier, why should we think that the Clintons will do anything other than sabotage this run? Who on the Right would have access to video like that?

Isn't he making fun of a Florida retirement community, The Villages?

424 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:11:32am

Real Clear Politics Map

With Toss Up States

425 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:11:40am

re: #404 Lawrior

Does anyone think that she will let that happen? Given the video of a drunken Biden dancing posted earlier, why should we think that the Clintons will do anything other than sabotage this run? Who on the Right would have access to video like that?

That video is insane.

And what's that song? Isn't that a commercial jingle or is it an original hit from before my time?

426 eaglewingz08  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:11:45am

The buck stops with Biden. Catchy phrase. If Biden was soooo good why did none of the nut roots vote for him during the dem primaries?
Hmmm. Why is it that he had negative numbers in the primaries and doesn't bring a single delegate to the convention unlike Hillary and Edwards?
Obama violated the first rule of VPs, first do no harm. Biden is a slick smarmy egotistical deceptive candidate who makes Edwards look like a paragon of virtue. I thank Karl Rove for putting the Vulcan mind meld on Caroline Kennedy and the Barack team to choose that doofus. He has tons of material out there that will make for exceptional republican commercials.
Dems are whistling past the graveyard now...

427 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:11am

re: #404 Lawrior

Does anyone think that she will let that happen? Given the video of a drunken Biden dancing posted earlier, why should we think that the Clintons will do anything other than sabotage this run? Who on the Right would have access to video like that?

Could this mocking of retired Floridians be used against him?

428 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:16am

Quick question for lizards who text on their cells.

If you receive a text message, do you have to pay?

429 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:36am

re: #415 cliffster

No, I thought Guliani campaigned there and only there and got drilled...he came in third, right? How does he help with Florida, which incidentally is already in McCain's column.

430 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:42am

re: #404 Lawrior

Does anyone think that she will let that happen? Given the video of a drunken Biden dancing posted earlier, why should we think that the Clintons will do anything other than sabotage this run? Who on the Right would have access to video like that?

I actually give Biden a pass for this. He got drunk and started singing and dancing. He was caught on camera having fun while inebriated.

It's the stuff he does when there's no whiskey around that's a problem.

431 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:45am

re: #426 eaglewingz08

Biden is a slick smarmy egotistical deceptive candidate who makes Edwards look like a paragon of virtue.

ROFLMAO! +1

432 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:49am

Hey all! It's humid in my part of the world.

When hubby told me of Obama's Choice (how do I add that little tm tag), my first instinct was to log-on here. Alas, I had chores to finish.

So what is the consensus?

AND how are you-all doin'?

433 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:12:52am

Biden used to be on the Imus radio program in DE. I betcha someone, somewhere has some fun tape.

434 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:13:19am

re: #423 MandyManners

Isn't he making fun of a Florida retirement community, The Villages?

It's a restuarant chain. That is it's theme song.

435 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:13:21am

re: #425 Canadian Guy

That video is insane.

And what's that song? Isn't that a commercial jingle or is it an original hit from before my time?

See my No. 423.

436 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:13:37am

re: #426 eaglewingz08

I am just stunned that nobody has reported on the Caroline Kennedy aspect of this.

437 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:13:41am

re: #360 hermeneutics

Veeping here. Females only.

1. What do you think of Olympia Snowe -- the liberal Republican senator from a low-electoral-vote state (Maine).

2. Meg Whitman.

3. Hutchinson (but she's from TX).

4. Carly Fiorina (no legislative experience.)

5. And yes, Palin.

Are there others?

"herm" -

Elizabeth Dole, (R), NC comes to mind immediately.

-S-

438 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:13:51am

re: #408 jester6

I wouldn't call Biden moderate, but neither was GWB in 2000. There are a lot of people out there who want someone to tell them the truth - even if they do not agree with it.

GWB went built a case for war that largely was not true (at least according to the hard left) and should have lost in a landslide in 2004. But swing voters still believed him when he said that based on what he knew at the time he made the correct decision. They forgave him because they thought he was a straight shooter - even when he was wrong.

I don't see the GWB-Biden connection at all. Biden is not a straight shooter. If you believe he is, you are a gullible idiot. I just hope and pray Americans are smarter than that.

439 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:13:55am

re: #362 Opinionated
Yeah,
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy!

440 pat  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:13:59am

re: #410 sattv4u2

actually, it's in a pre-nup agreement (insisted on by her family at the time ) that his name is on nothing

I suspected there was a prenup, but nothing prevents McCain from being on the Arizona family home. Very few of these properties were inherited (1 I think). I think he just doesn't care. I mean Ms Ketchup has a prenup also. Kerry is on title to 4 homes.

441 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:14:03am

re: #428 Irene NYC

Quick question for lizards who text on their cells.

If you receive a text message, do you have to pay?

Depends on your plan. But that's a very funny point.. look at Obama out there, lining the pockets of Big Telco with the normal people's hard-earned money!

442 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:14:05am

re: #430 rwmofo

I actually give Biden a pass for this. He got drunk and started singing and dancing. He was caught on camera having fun while inebriated.

It's the stuff he does when there's no whiskey around that's a problem.


I agree...normal behavior. It is the sober activities that I have a problem with also.

443 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:14:09am

re: #423 MandyManners

Isn't he making fun of a Florida retirement community, The Villages?

Sounds like it. I've seen the commercial.

444 apb1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:14:29am

re: #419 alegrias

Agreed - I want to see faults that I can identify with, not the fraud of being completely artificial.

445 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:14:37am

re: #413 Sharmuta

McCain's already winning in FL. He needs MI- Romney did well there.

McCain can't pick Romney. Not if he learned the mistake of the "house gaffe".

The Democrats will successfully portray them as the super rich living on a planet different then the voters. Not understanding common concerns.

446 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:14:44am

re: #434 Walter L. Newton

It's a restuarant chain. That is it's theme song.

No. It's The Villages. Part of it's commercial is that song. Catcht the line about it being America's friendliest home town.

447 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:14:54am

re: #443 rwmofo

Sounds like it. I've seen the commercial.

See my 434.

It's a restuarant chain. That is it's theme song.

448 Lawrior  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:14:56am

re: #427 MandyManners

Could this mocking of retired Floridians be used against him?

Why not? I have no doubt that Unity/Hope/Change will spare no expense when digging for dirt on McCain/VP.

449 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:15:05am

re: #441 cliffster

Depends on your plan. But that's a very funny point.. look at Obama out there, lining the pockets of Big Telco with the normal people's hard-earned money!

IMO the whole "text" thing was a ruse to get all those unlisted cell phone numbers!

450 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:15:28am

re: #430 rwmofo

I actually give Biden a pass for this. He got drunk and started singing and dancing. He was caught on camera having fun while inebriated.

It's the stuff he does when there's no whiskey around that's a problem.

I tend agree with you but remember the grief the left gave GWB over his previous drinking, and the last minute DWI story.

I say F'em this is war for the the future of the country.

All's fair.

451 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:15:39am

re: #424 Sharmuta

Real Clear Politics Map

With Toss Up States

The Rovian meister of distric by district politics had a WSJ article last week that pulled it down to four Key states, CO, MN, OH, and I can't remember the fourth.

452 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:15:40am

re: #446 MandyManners

No. It's The Villages. Part of it's commercial is that song. Catcht the line about it being America's friendliest home town.

Yea, you're right, I was think of Village Inn. Nevermind.

453 Zombie_Killian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:15:50am

re: #441 cliffster

Big telco is ripping us off!

454 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:16:19am

re: #334 sattv4u2

Send it to the McCain campaign.
Really!

455 jelo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:16:19am

re: #386 Zombie_Killian

More than tingling...they got stiffies for sure. But seriously, they "wood" have the same reaction for any other choice.

456 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:16:36am

Front page of Abcnews.com


Big Credentials, Big Mouth: Biden Pick Not Without Risk

HAHAHAHAHAHHA!

457 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:16:39am

re: #428 Irene NYC

Depends on your package. If you don't have a package and no txt's are included in your plan and you received an unsolicited, or spam txt, call your provider and make sure they won't charge you for it.

458 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:16:40am

re: #379 rwmofo

Hats off to Obama for picking a young vibrant guy. Biden is only 65.

Young and vibrant, as compared to the former Soviet Politburo.

459 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:16:45am

re: #447 Walter L. Newton

See my 434.

It's a restuarant chain. That is it's theme song.

A restaurant calls itself America's friendliest hometown?

460 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:17:10am

re: #437 Dr. Shalit

"herm" -

Elizabeth Dole, (R), NC comes to mind immediately.

-S-

Karen Hughes if we're looking for women who know there stuff.

461 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:17:12am

re: #449 Typicalwhitey

IMO the whole "text" thing was a ruse to get all those unlisted cell phone numbers!


Yes, we know that, and that part was brilliant. What I'm wondering is whether the whole TM thing might backfire if all those bright young things who gave out their telnos get TM-ed one too many times by Obama's campaign.

462 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:17:13am

Biden is making fun of retired Floridians!

463 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:17:15am

re: #434 Walter L. Newton

It's a restuarant chain. That is it's theme song.

No. It's a retirement community and that's it's commercial jingle. It was bugging me so I Googled.

[Link: www.thevillages.com...]

464 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:17:23am

re: #459 MandyManners

A restaurant calls itself America's friendliest hometown?

I corrected myself already. "Yea, you're right, I was think of Village Inn. Nevermind."

465 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:17:30am

re: #440 pat

I suspected there was a prenup, but nothing prevents McCain from being on the Arizona family home. Very few of these properties were inherited (1 I think). I think he just doesn't care. I mean Ms Ketchup has a prenup also. Kerry is on title to 4 homes.

* * *
Cindy McCain sold their Phoenix home that had been her parents house where she grew up, now that the kids are out of the house, to buy a condo in Phoenix instead.

467 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:17:48am

re: #432 ggt

Hey all! It's humid in my part of the world.

When hubby told me of Obama's Choice (how do I add that little tm tag), my first instinct was to log-on here. Alas, I had chores to finish.

So what is the consensus?

AND how are you-all doin'?

Hi GGT!

The consensus is that Biden is a great pick ... from McCain's POV. McCain already has an ad out against Biden in which he uses Biden's own words (of which there are many). Biden adds some gravitas to Obama's ticket but also detracts from Obama's theme of "change." Biden has a long, long verbal trail which McCain will use effectively in ads. In debates, Biden is nasty and persistent.

The choice of Biden is a gift to the Repubicans and the Republic.

468 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:17:58am

re: #464 Walter L. Newton

I corrected myself already. "Yea, you're right, I was think of Village Inn. Nevermind."

I thought it was a village people rendition......

469 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:18:10am

re: #360 hermeneutics

Veeping here. Females only.

1. What do you think of Olympia Snowe -- the liberal Republican senator from a low-electoral-vote state (Maine).

2. Meg Whitman.

3. Hutchinson (but she's from TX).

4. Carly Fiorina (no legislative experience.)

5. And yes, Palin.

Are there others?

Lynn Cheney. Not that I think she would want it, But she could do the job.

470 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:18:12am

Should someone who's had two anyeurisms (sp?) be drinking?

471 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:18:18am

re: #445 Opinionated

They're going to do that anyways- and all we have to do is hold up a mirror.

472 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:18:19am

re: #334 sattv4u2

re: #323 pat

If the number of houses Mccain has comes up in the debates, McCain should look Obama square in the eyes and say
" I have one house for every year I spent in the Hanoi Hilton. I have as many rooms in each house as the number of teeth of mine the Vietnamese captors broke. I have as many bathrooms in each house as the number of my bones they broke! "

I really wouldn't.

You don't get to marry a rich woman as a reward for being a POW.

473 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:18:32am

re: #462 MandyManners

Biden is making fun of retired Floridians!

he makes fun of a lot of people.
you'd think a guy that age would know better.

474 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:18:33am

re: #449 Typicalwhitey

IMO the whole "text" thing was a ruse to get all those unlisted cell phone numbers!

"TW" -

Which is exactly why anyone with two functioning neurons - AND - not in love with Sen. Obama - did NOT sign up.

-S-

475 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:18:38am

re: #469 Syrah

Lynn Cheney. Not that I think she would want it, But she could do the job.

She'd be very good.

476 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:18:44am

re: #464 Walter L. Newton

I corrected myself already. "Yea, you're right, I was think of Village Inn. Nevermind."

Gotcha'. I've been busy googling.

477 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:18:50am

re: #437 Dr. Shalit

"herm" -

Elizabeth Dole, (R), NC comes to mind immediately.

-S-

Good one! But she's from a relatively safe state and is associated with a losing presidential candidate. Isn't she sorta old, too?

478 Zombie_Killian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:19:10am

re: #469 Syrah

Lynn Cheney. Not that I think she would want it, But she could do the job.

Did you know her daughter is a lesbian?

479 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:19:30am

re: #447 Walter L. Newton

See my 434.

It's a restuarant chain. That is it's theme song.

The fight is on!

Go here.

Seriously. I've seen the commercial, which is what Biden was singing.

480 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:19:58am

re: #451 Thanos

The solid blue in Illinois makes me want to wretch. It's the state of Illinois, not the state of Chicago.

481 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:19:59am

re: #476 MandyManners

Gotcha'. I've been busy googling.

Are we back on the Borgnine topic now?

482 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:08am

Lynn Cheney for VP?

Now that's an inspired choice! The nutroots' heads would instantaneously explode.
;)

483 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:25am

re: #476 MandyManners

Gotcha'. I've been busy googling.

Ernest Borgnine Hobbies?

484 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:28am

re: #477 hermeneutics

Good one! But she's from a relatively safe state and is associated with a losing presidential candidate. Isn't she sorta old, too?

If we want someone to eviscerate Biden in the debate........

Ann Coulter.

485 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:31am

re: #478 Zombie_Killian

Did you know her daughter is a lesbian?

Yes.

But I wouldn't be voting for the daughter.

486 Canadian Guy  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:36am

So Biden's idea of fun is drinking and singing commercial jingles?

WTF?

(I don't think it's a shot at retired people, it's just a catchy jingle)

487 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:40am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Are we back on the Borgnine topic now?

GMTA

488 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:43am

re: #437 Dr. Shalit

"herm" -

Elizabeth Dole, (R), NC comes to mind immediately.

-S-

And Lynne Cheney

489 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:45am

re: #465 alegrias

* * *
Cindy McCain sold their Phoenix home that had been her parents house where she grew up, now that the kids are out of the house, to buy a condo in Phoenix instead.

Yes, she sold her house on Central ... but they use their Sedona house now. I didn't know about the condo.

490 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:49am

Please, no spouses of previous old candidates!

491 jaunte  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:52am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Today's new code word:
"the Borgnine topic"

492 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:55am

re: #480 ggt

The solid blue in Illinois makes me want to wretch. It's the state of Illinois, not the state of Chicago.

that's the sad part. south of champagne it's a red state.

493 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:56am

re: #479 rwmofo

The fight is on!

Go here.

Seriously. I've seen the commercial, which is what Biden was singing.

Mandy and I don't fight. I like to think we are a bit like-minded.

494 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:20:56am

re: #445 Opinionated

McCain can't pick Romney. Not if he learned the mistake of the "house gaffe".

The Democrats will successfully portray them as the super rich living on a planet different then the voters. Not understanding common concerns.

* * *
John Kerry and Ted Kennedy are super rich living on a planet different than the voters. Democrats duped their union followers to support these rich rip off artistes for the presidency.

Rich Democrats don't want YOU to become rich off your own talents by keeping your wealth in your family or in your name.

Give me a break.

495 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:21:13am

re: #491 jaunte

Today's new code word:
"the Borgnine topic"

DRINK!

496 sojerofgod  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:21:30am

Gosh! (yawn) I'm so (yawn) excited about (yawn) Biden's vp nod (yawn) that I can(yawn) barely (yawn) contain my (yawn) excitement!(yawn)

Or in the immortal words of Lilly Marlene (Blazing Saddles) Oh! how ordinary... (yawn)

497 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:21:57am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Are we back on the Borgnine topic now?

re: #483 sattv4u2

Ernest Borgnine Hobbies?

DMTA.

498 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:21:58am

Kos is having a bad day.

So now Biden is Obama's pick, and he's clearly not a reinforcing one. If Obama's core message is "change" and "judgment" based on his prescience on the Iraq War vote, well then, Biden is the exact opposite of those things. And the media has reacted accordingly.

McCain's mole at the Associated Press, Ron Fournier, is gleefully at it as well.

499 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:05am

Pawlenty is the safe boring choice.

Biden may chew and spit him up during the debates and on the attack trail.

There is no qualified woman. Unfortunately.

500 jaunte  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:07am

re: #494 alegrias

Over at kos they're still trying to make something of the multiple McCain houses. As if no Democrat ever married a ketchup heiress.

501 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:11am

re: #467 hermeneutics

Thanks! The more this plays-out, I'm beginning to think the puppetters have set Obama up big time. For what? Perhaps to give Hillary a chance in 2012, I don't know.

502 Zombie_Killian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:18am

re: #485 Syrah

Yes.

But I wouldn't be voting for the daughter.


You see, I didn't know that until 2004 when John Kerry (who served in Vietnam) pointed it out.

503 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:26am

re: #469 Syrah

Lynn Cheney. Not that I think she would want it, But she could do the job.

Ohhhh, that would make humanities professors weep. Gosh, I'd love to see Lynne get picked. She's articulate. Conservative. And a Cheney!

Too funny.

504 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:28am

re: #423 MandyManners
I though he was a paid spokesperson for The Villages - maybe he got loaded one night and did that little drunken dance - in front of a video camera, no less.
Very VERY questionable personal and political judgment.

505 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:40am

re: #491 jaunte

Today's new code word:
"the Borgnine topic"

Mabye Mathews on MSMBC will cover it?

506 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:40am

re: #460 jcm

Karen Hughes if we're looking for women who know there stuff.

* * *
Karen Hughes went all wobbly wanting the Wahhabists to like us, really like us.

BZZZZZT. No cigar.

507 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:46am

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

Mandy and I don't fight. I like to think we are a bit like-minded.

Yep.

508 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:49am

re: #472 Opinionated

I really wouldn't.

You don't get to marry a rich woman as a reward for being a POW.

True.

If the subject of houses comes up, if I were McCain, I would simply say, so since my wife and her family have been very successful, in fact have lived the American dream, that somehow makes me unqualified to be the President?
The opportunities of this great country, of which I have benefitted, is one of the reasons I am running for POTUS.

Make obambi answer that question!

509 sojerofgod  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:56am

re: #487 sattv4u2


What about Borgnine?
He's my hero, because at 102 he gives me hope that a fat slob european like me might live to be 100!

510 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:22:57am

re: #492 nyc redneck

that's the sad part. south of champagne it's a red state.

Thats like Massachusetts. Outside of Route 128 it's mostly rural/ conservative (with the exception of Amherst, a college lefty town). But the great majority of people live/ work inside of 128

511 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:01am

re: #494 alegrias

* * *
John Kerry and Ted Kennedy are super rich living on a planet different than the voters. Democrats duped their union followers to support these rich rip off artistes for the presidency.

Rich Democrats don't want YOU to become rich off your own talents by keeping your wealth in your family or in your name.

Give me a break.

Exactly. The "rich, elitist" meme will only work on the left. The undecideds will see the hypocrisy.

512 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:14am

re: #478 Zombie_Killian

Did you know her daughter is a lesbian?

Who cares.

513 Kenneth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:14am

re: #330 MandyManners

Getting hair plugs is more honest than touching your hair up with fake silver to appear mature.

I was thinking of shaving my pate and growing a come-over to make myself more irresistible to the ladies..

514 pegcity  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:17am

re: #504 realwest

but its the middle of the day, who gets that drunk in the afternoon

515 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:18am

re: #502 Zombie_Killian

You see, I didn't know that until 2004 when John Kerry (who served in Vietnam) pointed it out.

John Kerry served in Vietnam? Get out!

516 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:28am

re: #496 sojerofgod

owdinawy

517 debutaunt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:31am

re: #241 MandyManners

He's under his desk in the fetal position, whimpering.

With his justmybinky?

518 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:36am

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

Mandy and I don't fight. I like to think we are a bit like-minded.

OK, then let's drink.

519 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:39am

re: #478 Zombie_Killian

so?

520 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:42am

re: #504 realwest

I though he was a paid spokesperson for The Villages - maybe he got loaded one night and did that little drunken dance - in front of a video camera, no less.
Very VERY questionable personal and political judgment.

He's a spokesman for it?

521 silversmith  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:52am

re: #480 ggt

I am from Illinois and most of my friends fear Obama. I have a coffee shop and my customers are heavily Obama and call McCain a Bush clone. The local newpaper never mentions McCain and runs lots of gushy stuff about Obama. Most of the blacks I meet are strong Obama supporters, and I see a lot of folks in Obama T shirts.

522 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:23:56am

re: #491 jaunte

Today's new code word:
"the Borgnine topic"

Given that Borgnine starred in McHale's Navy we should call it "loading the torpedo" or "grabbing the PT boat tiller".

523 Quintus_Arius  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:24:03am

re: #77 tankdemon

Who was the first choice? BTW, is there any democrat who is more qualifiedf to become president than Biden? I think Bill Richardson, but other than that, I don't think there is a Dem in the country who could sit in the oval office seem to belong there.

Evan Bayh comes to mind.

524 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:24:07am

re: #502 Zombie_Killian

You see, I didn't know that until 2004 when John Kerry (who served in Vietnam) pointed it out.

The Dems have a way of making that stuff an issue in campaigns. They are hypocritical at heart.

525 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:24:11am

re: #494 alegrias

* * *
John Kerry and Ted Kennedy are super rich living on a planet different than the voters.

Did they win?

Every election is geared for a particular moment in history.

At this moment, the Republicans can't run two guys each having a net worth well over $xxxM

526 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:24:39am

re: #515 Killer Tomato

John Kerry served in Vietnam? Get out!

God ,, I hope he didn't get injured !

527 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:24:39am

re: #507 MandyManners

Yep.

Thanks for agreeing. I was sweating it for a moment!

528 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:24:39am

re: #499 Opinionated

Pawlenty is the safe boring choice.

Polenta. Bland bland bland.

529 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:24:48am

re: #512 hermeneutics

Who cares.

jon cary did.
that pos

530 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:24:53am

re: #484 jcm

If we want someone to eviscerate Biden in the debate........

Ann Coulter.

jcm -

Ann Coulter would not only eviscerate Sen. Biden - she would likely consume his entrails as well.

-S-

531 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:25:01am

re: #513 Kenneth

re: #330 MandyManners


I was thinking of shaving my pate and growing a come-over to make myself more irresistible to the ladies..

Don't do it. Trust me.

532 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:25:23am

re: #515 Killer Tomato

John Kerry served in Vietnam? Get out!

Tomato-don't take this the wrong way, but have you been asleep for the past 5 years?

533 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:25:25am

re: #514 pegcity

but its the middle of the day, who gets that drunk in the afternoon

In colllege, maybe.

534 rwmofo  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:25:32am

re: #500 jaunte

Over at kos they're still trying to make something of the multiple McCain houses. As if no Democrat ever married a ketchup heiress.

If my next wife is wealthy, hot, 20 years younger and owns a beer distributorship, don't expect me to apologize.

535 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:25:38am

re: #503 hermeneutics

Ohhhh, that would make humanities professors weep. Gosh, I'd love to see Lynne get picked. She's articulate. Conservative. And a Cheney!

Too funny.

She is not a shadow of her husband. She has had a career in her own right.

. . . and it would make the troofers head's explode.

536 jaunte  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:25:44am

re: #522 Colonel Panik

All this mixing of I Dream of Jeannie, Ernest Borgnine, and Joe Biden is not going to be healthy later for our subconscious minds...

537 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:25:45am

re: #517 debutaunt

With his justmybinky?

LOL!

538 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:25:45am

re: #424 Sharmuta Don't know when that map was made, but Obama has stopped all advertising in North Carolina and Georgia and some other Red States that RealClearPolitics shows as leaning to Obama.
I think that map is inaccurate, but that's just my guess based on what Obama has said and done in the last week or so (or actually NOT said or done!).
Wonder what it would look like with Biden on Obama's ticket?

539 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:25:48am

re: #526 sattv4u2

You're somewhere in this neck of the woods? Or from somewhere around here?

540 Dustyvet  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:25:58am

re: #480 ggt

The solid blue in Illinois makes me want to wretch. It's the state of Illinois, not the state of Chicago.


Illinois the most corrupt State in the union...Should God ever decide to give the United States an enema...The nozzle will be inserted in Chicago or Cook County.

541 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:26:41am

re: #534 rwmofo

If my next wife is wealthy, hot, 20 years younger and owns a beer distributorship, don't expect me to apologize.

If mine is ,, don;'t expect to EVER see me here again ! (I hate tying from a lounge chair on a private Tahitian beach)

542 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:26:48am

Sarah Palin is not a bad VP choice for McCain but if estrogen is the main qualification, there are other candidates:
Rep Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.)
Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (Tx)
Rep Ileana Ros Lehtinen (Fl)
Senators Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins (Maine RINOs; ick! )
Senator Elizabeth Dole (NC)
Rep Mary Bono (CA; Sonny’s widow)
Rep Marilyn Musgrave (Co)
Rep Judy Biggert (Il; Barry’s back yard)
Rep Candice Miller (Mich)

Any of them have more government experience than Obama .
McCain could go with Condi.
Or he could make a bold bipartisan choice and pick A Demcorat who is much closer to the Republicans on foreign policy than she is to most Democrats...…

Wait for it…..

Hillary.

Both parties would split; conservative Republicans would run Tancredo or Huckabee on a third party. McCain-Clinton would win in an electoral college landslide with Barry coming in third.

I’m not advocating it; but it is already a very strange year.

543 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:26:48am

re: #532 cblesz

Tomato-don't take this the wrong way, but have you been asleep for the past 5 years?

Sorry cblesz - didn't add the sarc tag.

544 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:26:50am

re: #514 pegcity

but its the middle of the day, who gets that drunk in the afternoon

. . .um . . .well I . . .

nevermind.

545 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:26:50am

re: #515 Killer Tomato

John Kerry served in Vietnam? Get out!

Yeah but he got sent home early because he developed an allergy to rice and nuoc mam.

546 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:26:56am

re: #489 hermeneutics

Yes, she sold her house on Central ... but they use their Sedona house now. I didn't know about the condo.

* * *

WashPost practically printed each address out yesterday, and featured the fancy entry foyer with a picture of McCain walking down the hall in their style section.

Anyone ever seen the inside of the Kennedy Compound(s) in Florida and Hyannis, except the young women who escaped with their clothes?

547 hermeneutics  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:26:58am

gtg ... enjoy the chat.

548 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:27:01am

re: #525 Opinionated

Oh, balderdash! Romney would shore up the conservative base, bring executive experience to the ticket, as well as fiscal ability.

549 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:27:29am

re: #539 Killer Tomato

You're somewhere in this neck of the woods? Or from somewhere around here?

define "this neck of the woods" and I'll answer you

550 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:27:41am

re: #543 Killer Tomato

Sorry cblesz - didn't add the sarc tag.

I know...I just realized after I clicked post...my bad.

551 silversmith  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:27:50am

re: #492 nyc redneck

re: #540 Dustyvet

It wouldn't hurt to insert the nozzle in Madison County down south too.

552 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:27:56am

re: #530 Dr. Shalit

jcm -

Ann Coulter would not only eviscerate Sen. Biden - she would likely consume his entrails as well.

-S-


And then burp loudly and look for Keith Olberman.

553 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:28:06am

re: #549 sattv4u2

NH

554 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:28:17am

From Reuters...

"Biden's 2008 presidential bid fell flat but he was a forceful and aggressive debater, firing off some of the toughest criticisms of Republican President George W. Bush."

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

He was also firing off some of the toughest criticisms of Obama. Duh.

555 sojerofgod  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:28:20am

re: #522 Colonel Panik
Actually the Borg started in 1951 playing character parts in movies and TV dramas.
Been a star a long, long time.

556 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:28:52am

re: #515 Killer Tomato

John Kerry served in Vietnam? Get out!

Sort of. For about three months. Most of which he spent writing Purple Heart Commendations for himself - one because he got a splinter.

557 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:28:59am

re: #538 realwest

Don't know when that map was made, but Obama has stopped all advertising in North Carolina and Georgia and some other Red States that RealClearPolitics shows as leaning to Obama.
I think that map is inaccurate, but that's just my guess based on what Obama has said and done in the last week or so (or actually NOT said or done!).
Wonder what it would look like with Biden on Obama's ticket?

We'll find out in a few weeks. Obviously- the polling data will change in the next few days- obama might get a bounce- or not. There is usually convention bounces. The polling will be telling after a few debates.

I think the veep debate will be interesting now- will voters be turned off if Biden can't shut up?

558 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:29:21am

re: #528 Colonel Panik

Polenta. Bland bland bland.

For me there is only one obvious choice.

Otherwise they are all bland and subject to a process of elimination.

Pawlenty is not my choice but I can see where he is left sitting when the music stops.

559 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:29:30am

re: #500 jaunte

Over at kos they're still trying to make something of the multiple McCain houses. As if no Democrat ever married a ketchup heiress.

* * *
Good one! And how about them democrat Rockefellers who practically "own" West Virginia?

560 Lawrior  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:29:35am

re: #494 alegrias

* * *
John Kerry and Ted Kennedy are super rich living on a planet different than the voters. Democrats duped their union followers to support these rich rip off artistes for the presidency.

Well, the Senate is a millionaires' club. Hell, it's hard to find a poor (national) politician.

561 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:29:37am

re: #553 Killer Tomato

NH

Yeah ,, I was born and raised in Mass (Everett, right next to Boston) Lived around the Boston area for 45 years. I had a ski house in the White Mountains (Whitefield) for years. Moved to Atlanta 10 years ago

562 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:29:43am

re: #521 silversmith

Out in the Very Far Western burbs, I don't see that so much. I think everyone who chooses to live out here is more conservative or moderate conservative. There are a lot of people that moved from the city or close to the city because they didn't want "city" problems for their families I see few Obama bumper stickers, that is about it.

I hear mostly that he doesn't have the experience.

I'm more worried about our House seat that is up in November --Hastert's.

563 snowcrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:30:06am

(Probably already said up thread) All Biden brings is the ability to counter punch, something Obama has not been able to do without looking like a whiny baby. Will Biden appeal to the blue collar Dem's, in places like W.Va, that Hillary had sewn up? Now back to my furious up thread comment reading!

564 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:30:09am

re: #556 galloping granny

Sort of. For about three months. Most of which he spent writing Purple Heart Commendations for himself - one because he got a splinter.

Give him a break! It was a hard ship doing all that writing, he had to stand due to rice in his butt.

565 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:30:14am

re: #423 MandyManners
Is that real?
Wow.
How presidential.

566 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:30:46am

re: #557 Sharmuta

will voters be turned off if Biden can't shut up?


Heck no. I'll leave my TV on. The continual droning might help me fall asleep at night.
Kinda like white noise.
(racist!)

567 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:30:57am

re: #551 silversmith

re: #540 Dustyvet

It wouldn't hurt to insert the nozzle in Madison County down south too.

east saint louis.
we could start there.

568 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:31:35am

Well, in the spirit of causing more chaos for this election, since I live in a heavily student-populated area, I've decided that when I go in to vote I am going to be really stupid and stall and ask questions and hold up the line (which won't be that hard cuz the poll workers here are pretty thick) and just WASTE TIME so that all those pretty young thangs in line behind me rethink their dedication to voting AND I'm going to harass anybody speaking on a cell phone within hearing distance cuz they might just be ELECTIONEERING.

Makes me smile just thinking about it.
;)

569 pianobuff  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:32:06am

So it's on, eh.... Barry and Hairy.

570 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:32:08am

re: #566 Killer Tomato

Heck no. I'll leave my TV on. The continual droning might help me fall asleep at night.
Kinda like white noise.
(racist!)

LOL, KT. I just mean- if he keeps yammering on, and shows he won't be stopped by a polite moderator- it could be a turn off to the all important undecideds. We shall see.

571 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:32:09am

Dear Senator McCain, whoever you choose let it not be a RINO.

RINOS SHOULD BE FED TO THE MNGWA!

572 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:32:13am

re: #560 Lawrior

Well, the Senate is a millionaires' club. Hell, it's hard to find a poor (national) politician.

How many who work for a living can take off a year to run for national office, let alone raise funds etc...

In many ways it's a closed system, you've to to start off early working in campaigns etc... to build a network.

573 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:32:18am

Hey how about a "just words" commercial using bidens words as opposed to obambi saying just words?

Biden: he is not qualified enough
O: just words?
Biden: I would be honored to run with or against McCain
O: just words?

Etc.

574 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:32:26am

re: #548 Sharmuta

Oh, balderdash! Romney would shore up the conservative base, bring executive experience to the ticket, as well as fiscal ability.

If Obama/Biden isn't enough to shore up the Conservative "base". Too bad for the hypocrite supersensitive uncompromising Conservative "base".

575 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:32:36am

re: #557 Sharmuta

We'll find out in a few weeks. Obviously- the polling data will change in the next few days- obama might get a bounce- or not. There is usually convention bounces. The polling will be telling after a few debates.

I think the veep debate will be interesting now- will voters be turned off if Biden can't shut up?

I think the question is more will the Biden choice turn voters on in the first place. He fell so abominably flat early on I can't see a whole lot of support for him when people ask themselves that "What if?" question. And it doesn't take much observation of Obama to realize that he is so arrogant and cocksure of himself that the very idea that old Joe will steer foreign policy with all his experience is ludicrous.

576 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:32:37am

re: #561 sattv4u2

Huh!
Grew up in Medfid. Left when I joined the service.
Live in SoNH now with a cottage on Winnipesaukee.
Best friends live in Atlanta.
Small world!

577 Sol Roth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:32:41am

re: #540 Dustyvet

Illinois the most corrupt State in the union...Should God ever decide to give the United States an enema...The nozzle will be inserted in Chicago or Cook County.

You want to make Marin County jealous?

578 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:33:00am

re: #477 hermeneutics
Sorta old? Haven't you heard that the new 60's are the old 40's ?!? LOL!
Actually, Dole is one of my two (both Republican Senators) and she is NOT a great campaigner and would get slaughtered by Biden in Debates. But I think she'd do well as a Vice-President.

579 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:33:09am

re: #466 Sharmuta

McCain leading in Ohio
obama slipping in PA
McCain kicking ass in MO
obama leading by the margin of error in MI

McCain should hire Romney to go door to door in Michigan for the next two months. That's it. Nothing else. Just deliver Michigan.

580 right_on_target  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:33:10am

re: #181 Irene NYC


Biden is a cheat?

Plagerizer. Multiple offenses.

Kids call that "cut and paste". Everybody does it now, they say.
So that is no biggie to them.

/ It's a shame that our intellectual assets and contributions are ripped off by people who see nothing wrong in claiming them as their own.

581 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:33:11am

re: #573 Typicalwhitey

Hey how about a "just words" commercial using bidens words as opposed to obambi saying just words?

Biden: he is not qualified enough
O: just words?
Biden: I would be honored to run with or against McCain
O: just words?

Etc.


Perfect...send the suggestion to the RNC and McCain camps...still....laughing...

582 Dianna  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:33:23am

I didn't see this last night, since I went to bed. I didn't see any of this until I got finished with minor house stuff.

Good heavens, but could the Dems have picked more of a loser ticket? This makes Kerry/Edwards look good!

583 cliffster  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:33:24am

re: #573 Typicalwhitey

Brilliant.

584 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:33:35am

re: #565 Jim in Virginia

Bookmarked.

Youtube Video

585 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:33:39am

re: #542 Jim in Virginia

I really like Susan Collins. I saw here give a "look" to Hillary on C-SPAN one time that was absolutely classic. I like her for many other reasons, but that is what comes to mind when I hear her name.

586 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:34:20am

re: #521 silversmith

I am from Illinois and most of my friends fear Obama. I have a coffee shop and my customers are heavily Obama and call McCain a Bush clone. The local newpaper never mentions McCain and runs lots of gushy stuff about Obama. Most of the blacks I meet are strong Obama supporters, and I see a lot of folks in Obama T shirts.

* * *
You could sell cookies with Obama's presidential seal on it and get rich off stupid people.

Cindy McCain makes money off every Budweiser beer sold, why not you!

587 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:34:41am

re: #579 The Shadow Do

I find the PA poll interesting- obama is still leading, but the numbers are dwindling. Hope he has to spend a lot of money there just to win a state that should have been his. Actually- I hope he has to spend a lot of money everywhere to win states that should have safely been in his column!

588 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:34:50am

re: #570 Sharmuta

LOL, KT. I just mean- if he keeps yammering on, and shows he won't be stopped by a polite moderator- it could be a turn off to the all important undecideds. We shall see.

Could very well be. Certainly will annoy the podkids - but they probably wouldn't be watching debates anyway.

589 silversmith  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:35:11am

re: #567 nyc redneck

Just a pimple on the Madison County political landscape. Never go there alone though and I pity the fool who's car breaks down in East St. Louis.

590 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:35:34am

re: #576 Killer Tomato

Huh!
Grew up in Medfid. Left when I joined the service.
Live in SoNH now with a cottage on Winnipesaukee.
Best friends live in Atlanta.
Small world!

tell them I'll wave at them while we're stuck on the parking lot they call Highway 285

591 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:35:43am

re: #525 Opinionated

Did they win?

Every election is geared for a particular moment in history.

At this moment, the Republicans can't run two guys each having a net worth well over $xxxM

* * *
Ok, let's find a poor person for the ticket. That'll surely do the trick. NOT.

592 jaunte  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:36:21am

Biden a senator since 1972.
Someone with a print-run of "McSame" bumper stickers cluttering their garage has got to be really pissed today.

593 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:36:21am

hmmmm The 22nd Amendment applies to President not Veep!


McCain / Cheney '08!

594 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:37:16am

re: #593 jcm

hmmmm The 22nd Amendment applies to President not Veep!


McCain / Cheney '08!

But Cheney is a rich guy too- it just won't do.

/

595 debutaunt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:37:36am

re: #582 Dianna

I didn't see this last night, since I went to bed. I didn't see any of this until I got finished with minor house stuff.

Good heavens, but could the Dems have picked more of a loser ticket? This makes Kerry/Edwards look good!

Air head and hair plug.

596 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:37:53am

Mary Matalin would make the Moonbats howl.

597 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:38:20am

re: #594 Sharmuta

No, his Lesbian daughter... Or his wife...

598 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:38:40am

re: #593 jcm

hmmmm The 22nd Amendment applies to President not Veep!


McCain / Cheney '08!

Troofer head's would explode.

599 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:38:58am

re: #582 Dianna

I didn't see this last night, since I went to bed. I didn't see any of this until I got finished with minor house stuff.

Good heavens, but could the Dems have picked more of a loser ticket? This makes Kerry/Edwards Mondale/ Ferraro look good!

600 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:39:19am

re: #438 Peter Verkooijen

I think Biden's style and GWB's style are very similar. I have been watching Biden since the Clarence Thomas hearings.

I don't like a lot of his positions. I definitely consider him a partisan. I think he has a tendency to verbalize his stream of consciousness. I also think he comes from a small state that allows less polished candidates make it into the Senate.

And I think I have seen or heard him agree with all those statements.

GWB would admit he does not always speak well. That he came from a privileged up bringing. That he is a bible thumper. Yet a lot of non-religious middle class folk voted for him anyway because he tends to call it like he sees it.

That is very appealing to many wing voters.

601 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:39:44am

re: #596 Quilly Mammoth

Mary Matalin would make the Moonbats howl.

She's married to Gollum!

602 Optimizer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:40:19am

Oh, no! Now all the minorities can vote for the BHO ticket, without having to worry about being called racist!

/sarc

603 silversmith  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:40:20am

re: #586 alegrias

Mostly I just want to sell my coffee, but the last thing on the planet I would do is make money off something I am personally against. Went to jail against Viet Nam. Money is a non issue for me. Truth, personal responsibility, morality, common sense, and a clear vision of the future are my grail.

Thanks for the advice

604 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:40:32am

re: #579 The Shadow Do

McCain should hire Romney to go door to door in Michigan for the next two months. That's it. Nothing else. Just deliver Michigan.

* * *
Romney's a great McCain surrogate on the national media, which is more effective than door to door grassroots stuff.

605 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:40:49am

re: #601 Colonel Panik

She's married to Gollum!

It would make for messy State Dinners.

606 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:41:01am

re: #591 alegrias

* * *
Ok, let's find a poor person for the ticket. That'll surely do the trick. NOT.

Get a young guy who hasn't been in Congress long enough to line his pockets.

607 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:41:06am

re: #575 galloping granny

Biden is not supposed to attract the people who voted in the Democratic primary. He is supposed to attract swing voters.

608 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:41:06am

Numerous ideas for McCain ads between now and November

Take a gander at that link.
You will not believe how many gaffes, anti obama and pro McCain that Biden has made.

How could obambi have been so stupid as to pick him?

609 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:41:16am

re: #600 jester6

I think Biden's style and GWB's style are very similar.

They couldn't be more polar opposite. Do you think GWB would harrass a nominated Supreme Court Justice as Biden does? Do you think GWB would make blatant racist "off the cuff" remarks as Biden does?

610 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:41:20am

re: #601 Colonel Panik

She's married to Gollum!

Kind of takes out the Dems best attack dog...doesn't it?

611 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:41:21am

Does anyone happen to know if Joe Biden can run for two offices on the same ballot? Because he is also up for re-election for his Senate seat.

612 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:41:48am

re: #595 debutaunt

Air head and hair plug.

A gamillion UPDINGS!

613 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:41:53am

re: #585 ggt

I really like Susan Collins. I saw here give a "look" to Hillary on C-SPAN one time that was absolutely classic. I like her for many other reasons, but that is what comes to mind when I hear her name.

* * *
She lisps. It's hard to listen to.

614 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:42:05am

re: #478 Zombie_Killian

Did you know her daughter is a lesbian?

Your point being?

615 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:42:19am

My favorite headline of the day -

VP! OMG! CN U BLV ITZ BIDEN? BIDEN!

Second place:

omg, biden is the vp cand, lolz ...

616 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:42:25am

re: #605 Syrah

I thought Dennis Kuchinich was Gollum.

617 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:42:28am

I can dream of the McCain's choice, but to win I really hope he chooses Leiberman. There is no conservative candidate this election --I want a team that will support our troops FULLY. period. The Winning Team and the Dream Team is not the same thing in politics.

McCain needs to prove he is still a maverick. Choosing Leiberman would do that.

I still am a Condi fan. Her education in the Cold War and Russian politics, which was tauted as out-dated certainly seems useful in light of recent events. I don't think she would add to the ticket, but I sure hope she stays in the game at some level when McCain is in the oval office.

618 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:42:41am

re: #582 Dianna

I didn't see this last night, since I went to bed. I didn't see any of this until I got finished with minor house stuff.

Good heavens, but could the Dems have picked more of a loser ticket? This makes Kerry/Edwards look good!

Remember the way kerry & Edwards were always hugging?
It was an arguement against same sex running mates

619 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:42:52am

re: #605 Syrah

It would make for messy State Dinners.

Fissssssssssssssssssssssssh.

620 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:43:02am

re: #598 Syrah

Troofer head's would explode.

Imagine if it was Dick Cheney.

621 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:43:10am

re: #611 galloping granny

I think he has to choose.

622 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:43:27am

re: #597 kuffar
Ah. John McCain and Mary Cheney. Diversity!
Heads would explode on both the left and right.

623 Truck Monkey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:43:38am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA

This pick is absolutelty FABULOUS! I could just about wet my pants this is SOOOOOOOOOO very good! Smugs and Plugs 08! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

624 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:44:03am

re: #604 alegrias

* * *
Romney's a great McCain surrogate on the national media, which is more effective than door to door grassroots stuff.

The national media can seek him out - ensconced in Detroit.

625 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:44:37am

re: #598 Syrah

Troofer head's would explode.

Wouldn't they!

626 Silhouette  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:44:44am

re: #586 alegrias

* * *
You could sell cookies with Obama's presidential seal on it and get rich off stupid people.

Cindy McCain makes money off every Budweiser beer sold, why not you!

Are you saying stupid people drink beer?

;-)

627 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:45:18am

McCain should REALLY blow everyones mind

Pick a DEMOCRAT who is OLDER than Mccain

Zell Miller for VP !

628 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:45:45am

re: #591 alegrias

* * *
Ok, let's find a poor person for the ticket. That'll surely do the trick. NOT.

Give me a break.

Maybe you aren't paying attention.

For weeks now, even before the "houses" and "$5M is rich" "gaffes" the Democrat attack has been that McCain is out of touch. Doesn't understand the common citizen and their troubles.

The Democrat attack will be that issue. Not the war as Biden voted for it and supported it.

Two, not rich, when we are talking of hundreds of millions of dollars, we are not talking "rich", it way above rich.

When we will have two super rich Republicans running, it is a huge huge target for the Democrat. One that will be hit hard and hurt.

And in bad economic times for everyone else, it hits could be fatal.

629 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:46:00am

re: #623 Truck Monkey

Smugs and Plugs 08!

UPPITY DINGITY !

630 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:46:06am

re: #627 sattv4u2

ok, I like Zell too!

631 debutaunt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:47:07am

re: #612 MandyManners

A gamillion UPDINGS!

I'm blushing!

632 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:47:23am

re: #628 Opinionated

Give me a break.

Maybe you aren't paying attention.

For weeks now, even before the "houses" and "$5M is rich" "gaffes" the Democrat attack has been that McCain is out of touch. Doesn't understand the common citizen and their troubles.

The Democrat attack will be that issue. Not the war as Biden voted for it and supported it.

Two, not rich, when we are talking of hundreds of millions of dollars, we are not talking "rich", it way above rich.

When we will have two super rich Republicans running, it is a huge huge target for the Democrat. One that will be hit hard and hurt.

And in bad economic times for everyone else, it hits could be fatal.

I think the Dems are delusional if they think they can play McCain as too rich to care about America. Bring it on dopes.

633 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:47:38am

re: #614 realwest

Your point being?

Edwards and Kerry both brought that up in the 2004 debates. Cheney looked like he would punch Silky Pony.

634 Silhouette  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:47:47am

re: #594 Sharmuta

But Cheney is a rich guy too- it just won't do.

/

Amazing at the people who consider someone being rich as suspect. They're not sure exactly what is wrong with being rich, but they are certain it is something.

Only unsuccessful people for president! /sarc

635 cblesz  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:48:23am

re: #611 galloping granny

Does anyone happen to know if Joe Biden can run for two offices on the same ballot? Because he is also up for re-election for his Senate seat.

Yes...Lieberman did it.

636 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:48:51am

re: #622 Jim in Virginia

Ah. John McCain and Mary Cheney. Diversity!
Heads would explode on both the left and right.

Mary Cheney - good idea!

Resume - public relations type stuff: worked for a baseball team and a beer company (ok, and AOL - so two out of three)
Her life partner was a park ranger (American and outdoorsy)
She is a mother.

Better than Biden. But then, I would have been better than Biden. My cat...never mind.

637 ROP?LOL  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:49:45am

re: #262 rwmofo

Wow. "I Dream of Jeannie" is 74 today. When I was 10 I wanted her more than a new bike.

Saw her song and dance act a few years ago; painful to watch. But then got to go back stage for a meet-n-greet. The sweetest women you could meet. She is, and always will be Jeannie.

638 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:49:58am

re: #626 Silhouette

Are you saying stupid people drink beer?

;-)

* * *
No dear Silhouette.

But little old catsup & beer sales DID buy a lot of houses for Theresa Heinz & Cindy Hensley McCain.

639 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:49:59am

re: #636 Catttt

My cat...never mind.

Catttt has a cat !?!?! Who woulda thunk !

640 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:50:06am

re: #600 jester6

I think Biden's style and GWB's style are very similar. I have been watching Biden since the Clarence Thomas hearings.

I don't like a lot of his positions. I definitely consider him a partisan. I think he has a tendency to verbalize his stream of consciousness. I also think he comes from a small state that allows less polished candidates make it into the Senate.

And I think I have seen or heard him agree with all those statements.

GWB would admit he does not always speak well. That he came from a privileged up bringing. That he is a bible thumper. Yet a lot of non-religious middle class folk voted for him anyway because he tends to call it like he sees it.

That is very appealing to many wing voters.

The Dems seem to believe they need to pick a borderline-racist old Southern white guy as VP to convince those racist working class Americans to vote for Obama. For you I guess it's working. I hope and expect Americans in general aren't that dumb.

641 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:50:10am

re: #628 Opinionated

When we will have two super rich Republicans running, it is a huge huge target for the Democrat. One that will be hit hard and hurt.

Again, I say balderdash. The dems have always played the class warfare card and it doesn't work- Bush/Cheney won two terms. Two rich guys out of touch? Look at the dem ticket. I think you give them too much credit that this "rich elitist" canard works.

642 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:50:17am

re: #636 Catttt

I would have been better than Biden. My cat...never mind.

CATTT'S CAT FOR VEEP!

643 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:50:48am

re: #632 The Shadow Do

I think the Dems are delusional if they think they can play McCain as too rich to care about America. Bring it on dopes.

Right. McCain alone. You're absolutely right.

Add a VP nominee who's worth north of $500M, and the argument gets more notice.

That's my point.

644 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:50:52am

re: #568 Irene NYC
Hey Irene! GO FOR IT! I love that idea! I actually reported my polling place in NYC cause they had Kerry/Edwards stickers on the door to the foyer of the polling place!
Cops showed up, ate a donut or two each from the poll workers and left. Stickers still up.
Give 'em HELL!

645 Zombie_Killian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:50:56am

re: #636 Catttt


The hairballs your cat hacks up probably would've been a better choice than.....ah never mind.

Meanwhile, Olberman and Matthews would be all a-tingle over Obamabi's selection of the hairball.

646 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:50:57am

re: #634 Silhouette

Amazing at the people who consider someone being rich as suspect. They're not sure exactly what is wrong with being rich, but they are certain it is something.

Only unsuccessful people for president! /sarc


I think that the Demas are right, rich guys should not get elected.
Both candidates are wealthy, so the Dems should stay home to protest.

647 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:51:29am

Seattle's lefty blog weighs in.

9. proud leftist spews:
8
We need to win. Another four years of Republican rule, and the likelihood is that Canada could invade us and conquer. Obama needs to win. He made a pragmatic choice. Joe Biden’s a good guy. Vamonos, mis amigos.

08/23/2008 AT 12:57 AM

60. Marvin Stamn spews:
Obama’s new campaign slogan.

Change, except for the veep that’s been in politics longer than mcsame.


I’m guessing after the polls drop because of this veep pick that obama will clarify his position and throw biden under the bus.

I wonder how all those hillary supporters feel knowing that hillary wasn’t even considered for the job.


What a terrible way to kick off the DNCC convention.

648 debutaunt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:52:33am

re: #647 jcm

PUMA, baby.

649 Truck Monkey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:52:36am

Hope and Dope '08!

Any more?

650 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:53:05am

re: #649 Truck Monkey

Hope and Dope '08!

Any more?

Dope and Dope 08

651 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:53:08am

re: #615 Catttt

My favorite headline of the day -

VP! OMG! CN U BLV ITZ BIDEN? BIDEN!

LOLCAT Pundit?

652 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:53:17am

re: #641 Sharmuta

Again, I say balderdash. The dems have always played the class warfare card and it doesn't work- Bush/Cheney won two terms. Two rich guys out of touch? Look at the dem ticket. I think you give them too much credit that this "rich elitist" canard works.

* * *
As McCain used to say at fundraisers held in private homes, "I want every American to own a house such as this." (Or something to the effect that Republicans WANT you to be successful.)

653 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:53:26am

re: #640 Peter Verkooijen

The Dems seem to believe they need to pick a borderline-racist old Southern white guy as VP to convince those racist working class Americans to vote for Obama. For you I guess it's working. I hope and expect Americans in general aren't that dumb.

Delaware is NOT in the South.

654 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:53:37am

re: #609 sattv4u2

Biden is definitely partisan. If Bush were in the Senate I think he would take swipes at sitting judges. Maybe with less vitrol. But that really does not matter because I am talking about the perception of swing voters and they do not care about that stuff (unless he starts doing it during the campaign)

And as for the Indian comment or the "clean" comment I don't find them racist at all.

To me, if you can make the same true statement about a different person without any racial overtones it should not considered racist. If Obama were a Pole or Swede and Biden made the same comment no one would have considered the comment racist. If the Indian comment were directed at some eastern european ethnic group - like the ones who own the c-stores and gas stations in an area where I live - no one would have raised an eye brow. To take these statements as racist statements you have to want to be looking for racism.

If Biden is really an insensitive racist then so was Trent Lott when he said nice things about Strom Thurmond.

This small group of swing voters who actually pay attention to the details of the election do understand the difference between someone making a racists statement - and someone trying to make a statement seem racist.

If Biden lays off the hyperbole he will be an asset to Obama. Even if he makes a few gaffes.

655 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:53:39am

re: #582 Dianna

This makes Kerry/Edwards look good!

Hey Dianna - I agree with your post, but really, let's not get carried away here! LOL!

656 Optimizer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:53:52am

I want Sarah!

Wait - that didn't come out right...

Palin, for McCain's VP!

Steal away all the ticked-off Hillaryites, now that she's been completely snubbed.

[OK, maybe she's too inexperienced at this point, but it was a nice thought.]

657 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:53:56am

Amercan Olympic Womens BasketBall getting their gold Medals and ALL of them, hands over hearts, singing the National Anthem

You Go Girls

658 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:54:01am

re: #643 Opinionated

Right. McCain alone. You're absolutely right.

Add a VP nominee who's worth north of $500M, and the argument gets more notice.

That's my point.

Nope. Class warfare is a given with the Dems. Only fools and those who do not pay taxes buy into it. Elections are won at the margin with the answer to the question, "who can do the job".

659 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:54:16am

re: #642 Jim in Virginia

CATTT'S CAT FOR VEEP!

He likes to go outside.
He gets plenty of rest.
He likes dogs, to a point.
He is a peacemaker, most of the time, except when he starts fights.
He has caught, killed, and eaten mice.
He has interfaced with chipmunks (e.g., brought them into the house).
He is not afraid to speak his mind.
He is Siamese, so there is your diversity.

660 Florida Lady  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:54:54am

How about Dumb-n-Dumber '08

Tossup as to who would be dumber . . .

661 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:55:07am

re: #659 Catttt

He likes to go outside.
He gets plenty of rest.
He likes dogs, to a point.
He is a peacemaker, most of the time, except when he starts fights.
He has caught, killed, and eaten mice.
He has interfaced with chipmunks (e.g., brought them into the house).
He is not afraid to speak his mind.
He is Siamese, so there is your diversity.

Got my vote.

662 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:55:10am

re: #659 Catttt

He likes to go outside.
He gets plenty of rest.
He likes dogs, to a point.
He is a peacemaker, most of the time, except when he starts fights.
He has caught, killed, and eaten mice.
He has interfaced with chipmunks (e.g., brought them into the house).
He is not afraid to speak his mind.
He is Siamese, so there is your diversity.

More experience than BHO.

663 Zombie_Killian  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:55:20am

re: #659 Catttt


He is Siamese, so there is your diversity.

I demand to see a birth certificate!

664 ggt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:55:33am

gotta go, have a great day all!

665 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:55:36am

re: #644 realwest

Hey Irene! GO FOR IT! I love that idea! I actually reported my polling place in NYC cause they had Kerry/Edwards stickers on the door to the foyer of the polling place!
Cops showed up, ate a donut or two each from the poll workers and left. Stickers still up.
Give 'em HELL!

Make sure next time you take a little camera with you and snap a picture.

666 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:55:40am

re: #653 MandyManners

Delaware is NOT in the South.

It was a slave state apparently.

667 outsidephilly  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:56:00am

Obama's gonna spend most of his time 'clarifying' Biden's past comments . . .

668 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:56:01am

re: #653 MandyManners

Delaware is NOT in the South.


Well hell NO!

669 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:56:15am

re: #666 Peter Verkooijen

It was a slave state apparently.

So who's gonna' be the boss?

670 Truck Monkey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:57:03am

re: #653 MandyManners

Delaware is NOT in the South.

O contraire. Maryland is considered the south too as the Mason Dixon line seperates it from Pennsylvania. Delaware is south of that line too. This is still way too funny for me. I am trying to wrap my head around this pick. Maybe I took one too many hits at football practice this morning. I wonder how far down the list old slow Joe was?

671 kuffar[deleted]  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:57:06am
672 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:57:14am

re: #669 jcm

So who's gonna' be the boss?

HAHAHAHAHAH!
Coffee just shot out of my nose!

673 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:57:24am

re: #654 jester6

And as for the Indian comment or the "clean" comment I don't find them racist at all.

Not racist? They play to STEREOTYPES, the WORST kind of racisim there is !

If Biden is really an insensitive racist then so was Trent Lott when he said nice things about Strom Thurmond.

Lott stated (to an old old man to make him feel good on his day) that this country would have been served well if Thurmond was a President. He didn't malign or stereotype an ENTIRE RACE or NATION of people!

674 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:58:08am

Lines, shmines.

675 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:58:34am

re: #640 Peter Verkooijen

I don't think Biden is a racist. Neither were Trent Lott or George Allen.

Was it far that Lott and Allen got knocked out for what they said. No. But it was during the primary with less air time spent on the issue so the MSM could spin the comments. If they are going to dissect his comments they are going to do it with more air time, more context. They cannot just paint him as a racist and move onto the next story.

676 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:58:51am

re: #670 Truck Monkey

O contraire. Maryland is considered the south too as the Mason Dixon line seperates it from Pennsylvania. Delaware is south of that line too. This is still way too funny for me. I am trying to wrap my head around this pick. Maybe I took one too many hits at football practice this morning. I wonder how far down the list old slow Joe was?


I wondered about that too. but narcissism runs broad and deep in the Dem party, could any of them stand to turn down the offer?

677 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:58:53am

re: #671 kuffar

Slave/Cracker '08

That shit stinks. Not funny.

678 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:59:11am

re: #603 silversmith
You went to jail for Vietnam (I mean against the war)? Didn't you get your pardon from Jimmy the Dhimmi?
If so, I'm one of the people you should thank for that. Right after Jimmy granted Amnesty for those who fled to Canada and Sweden, me and hundreds of Vietnam Vets wrote to him and called the WH to say "Hey, how about pardons for those guys who went to Jail for their beliefs, instead of just running away?".
Less than a week later, Jimmy did in fact grant pardons to all who went to Federal Pens to protest the war!

679 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:59:32am

re: #654 jester6

Clean & articulate? Do ya think that they might be euphemisms for non ghetto & non Ebonics?

680 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:59:36am

Oh, fuck facts. I don't consider it Southern so it's not to me. So, there.

681 debutaunt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:59:43am

re: #659 Catttt

He likes to go outside.
He gets plenty of rest.
He likes dogs, to a point.
He is a peacemaker, most of the time, except when he starts fights.
He has caught, killed, and eaten mice.
He has interfaced with chipmunks (e.g., brought them into the house).
He is not afraid to speak his mind.
He is Siamese, so there is your diversity.

PETM will be your downfall.

682 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:59:50am

Knock knock.
Who's there?
Joe.
Joe who?
Jobama.re: #663 Zombie_Killian

I demand to see a birth certificate!

That can be done. He is, after all, Siamese. :D His full name is longer than mine.

683 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 10:59:52am

re: #666 Peter Verkooijen

It was a slave state apparently.

Delaware did not secede and was therefore not a part of the Confederate States of America.

Although there were some Delawareans who joined the Army of Northern Virginia.

684 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:00:11am

re: #670 Truck Monkey

YOu may consider Maryland a Southern state...Southerners do not, neither Delaware or Kentucky.

685 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:00:19am

A Biden gaffe to remember!

686 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:00:29am

Has anyone suggested Clean and Jerk 08?

687 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:00:48am

re: #652 alegrias

* * *
As McCain used to say at fundraisers held in private homes, "I want every American to own a house such as this." (Or something to the effect that Republicans WANT you to be successful.)

I don't think the class warfare cards plays past anyone who isn't already a dem/lefty. And I actually think it comes off as petty. So what if Mitt has money? I think it shows he's a good fiscally minded guy who could help on fiscal matters in a McCain administration.

688 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:00:54am

re: #617 ggt

I can dream of the McCain's choice, but to win I really hope he chooses Leiberman. There is no conservative candidate this election --I want a team that will support our troops FULLY. period. The Winning Team and the Dream Team is not the same thing in politics.

McCain needs to prove he is still a maverick. Choosing Leiberman would do that.

I still am a Condi fan. Her education in the Cold War and Russian politics, which was tauted as out-dated certainly seems useful in light of recent events. I don't think she would add to the ticket, but I sure hope she stays in the game at some level when McCain is in the oval office.

Lieberman would be strong on protecting out troop - yes, but You have McCain already for that. Picking Lieberman, he would lose sectors of the base and that would be a big mistake. Rice would make a good cabinet member but not a VP - her ties to the Bush Admin. would cause those suffering from BDS to perpetually link Bush to McCain. You also have to remember the economy will not be on a sure footing before the election. There has to be someone with a resume that includes knowledge of the business world, hence, Mitt.

689 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:01:01am

re: #680 MandyManners

Oh, fuck facts. I don't consider it Southern so it's not to me. So, there.

MANDY FOR (fill in the blank)

690 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:01:35am

re: #659 Catttt But he probably does not meet the constitutional age requirement.

691 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:01:47am

re: #686 Catttt

Has anyone suggested Clean and Jerk 08?

Beautiful.

692 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:01:48am

re: #684 BignJames

YOu may consider Maryland a Southern state...Southerners do not, neither Delaware or Kentucky.

That is correct neither Maryland or Delaware joined the Confederacy.

693 jaunte  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:02:14am

re: #685 kuffar

You can really see the wheels turning as Sharpton does some calculating in that clip.

694 rightymouse  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:02:33am

re: #647 jcm

"Canada could invade and conquer us"?

That poster must have been smoking bad weed. Good grief.

695 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:02:39am

re: #692 Colonel Panik

Neither did Kentucky.

696 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:02:56am
It was a slave state apparently.


Oh for heaven's sake they all were at one point. So what?
Let's stay on topic here, people! How is any of this helpful to Michelle's kids?
/

697 RememberSekhmet?  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:03:03am

That's not silence you hear from the right, Dems. It's laughter.

698 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:03:09am

re: #617 ggt Hi ggt!
Hope you're well today!
But I have to disagree about Joe - first of all, although elected an "Independent" he still caucuses with the Senate Dems. And he'd have to switch party loyalties and would be seen (as would McCain)as nothing more than a political opportunist - didn't get VP when he ran with Gore, so now he tries it as a Republican.
Won't work.

699 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:03:11am

re: #693 jaunte

You can really see the wheels turning as Sharpton does some calculating in that clip.

CHA-CHING ,,, I now OWN Biden !

700 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:03:17am

re: #673 sattv4u2

And as for the Indian comment or the "clean" comment I don't find them racist at all.
Not racist? They play to STEREOTYPES, the WORST kind of racisim there is !
If Biden is really an insensitive racist then so was Trent Lott when he said nice things about Strom Thurmond.
Lott stated (to an old old man to make him feel good on his day) that this country would have been served well if Thurmond was a President. He didn't malign or stereotype an ENTIRE RACE or NATION of people!

Both were kinda racist. Lott was pandering in a despicable good ol' boys way. The common element in Biden's comments is condescension. It's elitism with a hint of racism.

701 Dream  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:03:21am

re: #1 Sharmuta

I think the Biden pick shows the obama people have no idea what they're doing.

The irony in this is thick enough to cut with a knife since it was supposedly the McCain camp that was supposed to be this out of whack. I honestly keep pinching myself because this is just way too good to be true. Yet only McCain can screw this up....ugg...

702 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:03:36am

re: #684 BignJames

YOu may consider Maryland a Southern state...Southerners do not, neither Delaware or Kentucky.

Baltimore is the northernmost city of the south and the southernmost city of the north.

703 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:03:40am

For those of you that are not up on your Civil Wah Hist'ry.

Seceding States

704 RememberSekhmet?  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:03:56am

So, do you think Obama's pick of Biden is going to affect who McCain ends up going with?

705 rightymouse  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:04:12am

re: #671 kuffar

Totally uncalled for.

706 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:04:31am

re: #690 Jim in Virginia

But he probably does not meet the constitutional age requirement.

Cat years.

707 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:04:33am

re: #691 The Shadow Do

Beautiful.

Leave out the and - Clean Jerk 08

708 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:04:37am

re: #702 Catttt

I barely consider Virginia southern.

709 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:04:50am

re: #694 rightymouse

"Canada could invade and conquer us"?

That poster must have been smoking bad weed. Good grief.

Last weekend was the big Pot Hempfest.

710 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:05:04am

re: #689 sattv4u2

MANDY FOR (fill in the blank)

John McCain & MandyManners 08
When you need to tell the world to Fuck off, who else are you gonna call.

711 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:05:15am

re: #691 The Shadow Do

Beautiful.

Yeah - someone did last night. Forget who.

712 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:05:23am

re: #704 RememberSekhmet?

So, do you think Obama's pick of Biden is going to affect who McCain ends up going with?

No. McCain will do as he pleases. As always.

713 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:05:26am

re: #696 Killer Tomato

Oh for heaven's sake they all were at one point. So what?
Let's stay on topic here, people! How is any of this helpful to Michelle's kids?
/

Exactly. And not all of the slaves were black.

714 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:05:55am

re: #683 Colonel Panik

Delaware did not secede and was therefore not a part of the Confederate States of America.

Although there were some Delawareans who joined the Army of Northern Virginia.

Beat me to it.

715 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:06:04am

re: #654 jester6


And as for the Indian comment or the "clean" comment I don't find them racist at all.


Indian-Americans are the richest minority group in the US - bar none. If you think they got rich just by running Dunkin' Donuts or 7-11's you need to get out more. (In fact, a lot of those people at DD and 7-11 are Pakistani - which I'm sure will go down just swell with your average Indian-American.)

Biden is a fool - which just also happens to rhyme with tool for a good reason.

716 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:06:07am

re: #700 Peter Verkooijen

Both were kinda racist. Lott was pandering in a despicable good ol' boys way. The common element in Biden's comments is condescension. It's elitism with a hint of racism.

There was nothing racist in Lott thanking an INDIVIDUAL old man for service to his country
There was OVERT racisim and stereotyping in BOTH (and more) of Bidens comments

You can't be "kinda racist"
"I'm only racist on Mondays after lunch and Saturdays before dinner. At all other times I'm not"

FEH !

717 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:06:20am

re: #705 rightymouse

Please. You got an incapable, unqualified person for office and someone very qualified and very intelligent behind him. Tell me, who is the boss and who is the underling.

718 rightymouse  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:06:25am

re: #709 jcm

Last weekend was the big Pot Hempfest.

Loaded with pesticide, no doubt.

719 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:06:59am

re: #689 sattv4u2

MANDY FOR (fill in the blank)

New Cabinet post.
Secretary of *Whack*.

720 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:07:05am

re: #710 Syrah

John McCain & MandyManners 08
When you need to tell the world to Fuck off, who else are you gonna call.

LOL!

721 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:07:05am

re: #710 Syrah

John McCain & MandyManners 08
When you need to tell the world to Fuck off, who else are you gonna call.

heheheh

Mandy " Hey ,, DinnerJacket ,, go piss up a rope !"

722 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:07:24am

re: #719 Killer Tomato

New Cabinet post.
Secretary of *Whack*.

UPITY DING

723 Optimizer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:07:46am

re: #653 MandyManners

Delaware is NOT in the South.

True. Delaware is technically east of the Mason-Dixon line. I vaguely recall visiting the start point of that line many years ago, when I was visiting Maryland's "eastern shore".

Maryland is south of the M-D line, though, but couldn't join the South for obvious reasons. In all fairness, DE might have had similar sentiments, line or no line.

724 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:07:54am

re: #708 BignJames

I barely consider Virginia southern.

That's because Northern VA has been invaded by too many goldanged Yankee carpetbaggers workin' for the Feddle Gubermint in DC.

You need to go the the Shenandoah or Southern Tidewater region.
Virginia is still the South don't kid yourself.

725 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:08:22am

bbiab

726 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:08:32am

re: #721 sattv4u2

heheheh

Mandy " Hey ,, DinnerJacket ,, go piss up a rope !"

I would really love to hear an American politician say that to short shit.

727 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:08:53am

re: #653 MandyManners
Yes, but it was (according to Joe Biden in a video clip out here somewhere) a border state and strongly supported slavery.
Go figure - but it was Biden who said it and an LGFer who posted the link on YouTube to it.

728 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:09:11am

re: #641 Sharmuta

Again, I say balderdash. The dems have always played the class warfare card and it doesn't work- Bush/Cheney won two terms. Two rich guys out of touch? Look at the dem ticket. I think you give them too much credit that this "rich elitist" canard works.

Timing is everything

It works when the economy cooperates.

In 1992, it worked.

When people are losing homes, and when many of the rest watch their home equity value declining, resentment can be nourished.

The Democrats are expert at class resentment.

Here is the point. There is no purpose being served by giving the Democrats more ammunition on that subject.

Where they feel they already have an opening with McCain, adding Romney, with all his pluses, gives them unlimited ammunition.

729 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:09:37am

re: #717 kuffar

Please. You got an incapable, unqualified person for office and someone very qualified and very intelligent behind him. Tell me, who is the boss and who is the underling.

Asshole. Both those terms ARE racist. If you want to indicate their intelligence, and how they stack up against each other, use your own intelligence and stop sounding like trailer trash.

730 Syrah  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:09:46am

Off to the Rodeo.

Back in 12.

731 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:09:54am

re: #707 galloping granny

Leave out the and - Clean Jerk 08

Just say no to the ZEROES.

732 Optimizer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:10:43am

re: #670 Truck Monkey

O contraire. Maryland is considered the south too as the Mason Dixon line seperates it from Pennsylvania. Delaware is south of that line too. This is still way too funny for me. I am trying to wrap my head around this pick. Maybe I took one too many hits at football practice this morning. I wonder how far down the list old slow Joe was?

[emphasis mine]

EAST! The Mason-Dixon line is "L" shaped, running up the western border of Delaware, and then westward along the PA/MD border.

733 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:10:47am

re: #727 realwest
Ah, see #666 above!

734 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:10:49am

re: #724 Colonel Panik

Lived in Tidewater region for 7 years...anything north of Richmond is under occupation.

735 rightymouse  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:11:11am

re: #717 kuffar

Please. You got an incapable, unqualified person for office and someone very qualified and very intelligent behind him. Tell me, who is the boss and who is the underling.


Please. I'm not playing this game with you.

736 Perry  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:11:44am

re: #707 galloping granny

Leave out the and - Clean Jerk 08

The ampersand ties it to the weightlifting event, another good irony, so it's needed.

737 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:12:16am

Ot

Pat Bucanhan - Civil War America's Fault.

738 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:12:20am

re: #717 kuffar

Please. You got an incapable, unqualified person for office and someone very qualified and very intelligent behind him. Tell me, who is the boss and who is the underling.

You used two hot-button words that are hot-button for a reason.

Slavery is not funny, clever, or decent. EVER. Calling someone such is low-minded. You used the word in a racist vein. The other word you used is also racist.

739 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:12:36am

re: #673 sattv4u2

I am not sure about which comment you are talking about. As far as the Indian comment. It may be a sterotype, but it is true. C-stores and gas stations are the first rung on the economic latter for immigrants from India and Pakistan. Just like Chinese immigrants tend to open restaurants.

Long hours, lots of cash, low cost of entry. It's the first step towards the American dream. He could just have easily said you cannot talk to a cop in NYC a hundred years ago without an Irish accent.

The clean articulate comment was not racist at all. He was simply stating facts and the news has borne him out.

Obama's race helped him pull away support Hillary and Bill Clinton had built the political aspirations on - mainly the black vote. It also is clearly getting him a couple of points from the white guilt vote.

His lack of track record, or cleanliness, make him pretty hard to attack. His opponents are forced to attack the people around him - like Wright and Ayers.

And his good looks and speaking still are a definite plus in a media based national campaign.

The only way you can make those statements racist is if you are a partisan looking to score points. Swing voters are going to look at those statements, consider them poorly worded, but accept them as good willed because they are accurate.

740 snowcrash  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:12:41am

re: #729 Walter L. Newton
I'm with you on this one Walt. Kuffars choice of words are purposfully offensive and not necessary to get the point across.

741 tradewind  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:13:12am

Bwahahahahahahah:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

742 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:13:25am

re: #723 Optimizer

True. Delaware is technically east of the Mason-Dixon line. I vaguely recall visiting the start point of that line many years ago, when I was visiting Maryland's "eastern shore".

Maryland is south of the M-D line, though, but couldn't join the South for obvious reasons. In all fairness, DE might have had similar sentiments, line or no line.

The Mason Dixon line was a result of the compromise of 1850-umpety-ump.
It was not the border of the Confederacy.

Some Marylanders and Delawareans joined the Union Army, some the Confederate.

And although this may surprise some lizards the Attorney General of the Confederate States of America was a Joooo!

743 Perry  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:13:36am

re: #736 Perry

The ampersand ties it to the weightlifting event, another good irony, so it's needed.


or plain ol 'and'

744 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:13:43am

re: #729 Walter L. Newton

Okay, I will apologize for the terms I used, but not what I was trying to convey.

Puppet/Puppet Master 08?

745 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:13:45am

re: #724 Colonel PanikRichmond bumper sticker: "South of the James- by invitation only."

Delaware and Marylamd were not in the confederacy but parts of both are still quite southern.
Residents of the largest city in Kentucky pronounce it either "Lou- ah-vull" or "Loo- ee-ville". The former is southern, the latter yankee.

746 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:14:02am

re: #728 Opinionated

Timing is everything

It works when the economy cooperates.

In 1992, it worked.

When people are losing homes, and when many of the rest watch their home equity value declining, resentment can be nourished.

The Democrats are expert at class resentment.

Here is the point. There is no purpose being served by giving the Democrats more ammunition on that subject.

Where they feel they already have an opening with McCain, adding Romney, with all his pluses, gives them unlimited ammunition.

All of this is true, but I have to tell you, I don't think people who are in financial trouble right now are really going to see Obama's plans for national socialism as a solution to the problems. I don't think you will find many homeowners in Obama's no taxes category. And the Democrats have not exactly done anything to bail out individuals in this housing mess.

747 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:14:22am

The Newsies are now getting all excited . The time is coming close for Barry to announce his VP choice at the Old State Capital in Springfield, IL.
The Eiffel Tower and the Acropolis must be booked today.

748 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:14:40am

Obama's first pick was Hillary. Then she started getting all bitchy and demanding. Out.

Second choice was John Edwards. Ha! Out.

Third choice Biden. Cannot wait until he sticks his foot in his mouth big time.

749 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:14:51am

re: #744 kuffar

Okay, I will apologize for the terms I used, but not what I was trying to convey.

Puppet/Puppet Master 08?

Noted.

750 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:15:19am

re: #687 Sharmuta

I don't think the class warfare cards plays past anyone who isn't already a dem/lefty. And I actually think it comes off as petty. So what if Mitt has money? I think it shows he's a good fiscally minded guy who could help on fiscal matters in a McCain administration.

* * *
Only democrats would think it great to have as their
Veep Vetter someone like Jim Johnson--who made millions NOT by his own genius, nor by marrying rich, but at Fannie Mae--a government subsidized outfit now supposedly in bankruptcy & needing a trillion dollar tax bailout.

Meanwhile democrats such as presidential candidate Sen Dodd and Sen. Conrad get sweetheart deals from Countrywide Mortgage, another failed outfit asking for federal bailouts--to buy their million dollar homes, and are NOT considered corrupt.

751 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:15:27am

re: #728 Opinionated

Then who better to put up as our ticket then a guy who wants to drill here now and a fiscal conservative?

752 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:15:31am

re: #747 opnion

The Newsies are now getting all excited . The time is coming close for Barry to announce his VP choice at the Old State Capital in Springfield, IL.
The Eiffel Tower and the Acropolis must be booked today.

LOL

753 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:15:46am

re: #748 Racer X

Obama's first pick was Hillary. Then she started getting all bitchy and demanding. Out.

Second choice was John Edwards. Ha! Out.

Third choice Biden. Cannot wait until he sticks his foot in his mouth big time.

Hillary was not his first choice.

754 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:15:56am

re: #744 kuffar

Okay, I will apologize for the terms I used, but not what I was trying to convey.

Puppet/Puppet Master 08?


An insult to Robert Heinlein.
/sarc

755 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:16:02am

re: #713 galloping granny And not all the slave owners were white, either.

756 Killer Tomato  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:16:31am

re: #742 Colonel Panik

And from the 'for whatever it's worth' department, so was General Longstreet's Chief of Commissary.

757 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:17:02am

What does this do to HRC's chances to get the nomination?

758 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:17:06am

re: #755 realwest

And not all the slave owners were white, either.

Very true. There were in fact both black and American Indian slave owners.

759 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:17:08am

McCain needs a money guy- that is his weakness. Romney brings the fiscal package to the ticket.

760 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:17:48am

In other moonbat news.....

Peace protest boats arrive in Gaza
Israel had said it would stop mission, which it described as a 'provocation'

Two boats being sailed by international peace activists on a mission to defy the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip and deliver humanitarian aid reached their destination today.

Hundreds of Palestinians gathered to greet the group of 46 activists, who undertook the two-day journey despite Israel saying it would stop the mission, which it described as a "provocation".

Earlier today, Israel said it would permit the boats to dock in Gaza after determining that they were carrying humanitarian equipment.

Those on board accused officials of sabotaging their communications equipment.

One of the boats is named "Liberty," ironic on so many levels.

761 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:18:20am

re: #682 Catttt

Oops. I didn't mean to post the knock knock joke. It needs work.

762 The Shadow Do  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:18:37am

re: #739 jester6

I am not sure about which comment you are talking about. As far as the Indian comment. It may be a sterotype, but it is true. C-stores and gas stations are the first rung on the economic latter for immigrants from India and Pakistan. Just like Chinese immigrants tend to open restaurants.

Long hours, lots of cash, low cost of entry. It's the first step towards the American dream. He could just have easily said you cannot talk to a cop in NYC a hundred years ago without an Irish accent.

The clean articulate comment was not racist at all. He was simply stating facts and the news has borne him out.

Obama's race helped him pull away support Hillary and Bill Clinton had built the political aspirations on - mainly the black vote. It also is clearly getting him a couple of points from the white guilt vote.

His lack of track record, or cleanliness, make him pretty hard to attack. His opponents are forced to attack the people around him - like Wright and Ayers.

And his good looks and speaking still are a definite plus in a media based national campaign.

The only way you can make those statements racist is if you are a partisan looking to score points. Swing voters are going to look at those statements, consider them poorly worded, but accept them as good willed because they are accurate.

That's some of the dumbest shit I have heard here yet.

763 Optimizer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:18:39am

re: #666 Peter Verkooijen

It was a slave state apparently.

Big deal. New York was a "slave state", too. Slavery in New York was outlawed in the early 1800s. I wonder when it was outlawed in DE? If it was before the Civil War there, too, then we can all act shocked about a politician giving us a false impression.

Either way, it's still pretty outrageous to brag about your state having had slavery.

764 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:18:41am

re: #755 realwest

And not all the slave owners were white, either.

Lots of Native Americans.

765 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:18:51am

re: #757 MandyManners

What does this do to HRC's chances to get the nomination?

Getting to be less likely. I still have $10 riding on her to steal the nomination next week.

766 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:18:58am

re: #757 MandyManners
Improves them. Still a long shot.
Just my two cents, what do you think?

767 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:19:01am

re: #739 jester6

I don't have enough words to show my disdain for your thought process. To include He could just have easily said you cannot talk to a cop in NYC a hundred years ago without an Irish accent. just underscores your allowance of the mans overtly racial and stereotypical words. I'm Italian, I must be in the Mafia. One of my best friends is Polish, he must be dumb. I once dated a Spanish woman, her family must be lawn mowers


once again , FEH to you

768 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:19:11am

re: #727 realwest

Yes, but it was (according to Joe Biden in a video clip out here somewhere) a border state and strongly supported slavery.
Go figure - but it was Biden who said it and an LGFer who posted the link on YouTube to it.

I don't see the point of this discussion over whether Delaware was or wasn't. My point was that the Dems apparently believe Biden can help them win "the working class white racist vote" - and jester6 apparently agrees.

769 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:19:34am

re: #734 BignJames

Lived in Tidewater region for 7 years...anything north of Richmond is under occupation.

LOL!

CARY, NC = Colony Area of Relocated Yankees.

770 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:19:44am

re: #724 Colonel Panik

That's because Northern VA has been invaded by too many goldanged Yankee carpetbaggers workin' for the Feddle Gubermint in DC.

You need to go the the Shenandoah or Southern Tidewater region.
Virginia is still the South don't kid yourself.

* * *
The Shenandoah is full of salvadoran gangstas who don't speak English and disembowel pregnant female salvadorans...

Not your granny's Shenandoah anymore. Si Se Puede en Shenandoah Salvadoreno.

771 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:19:52am

re: #763 Optimizer


Good point.

772 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:19:53am

re: #757 MandyManners

THAT is what people should keep an eye on. The stage is set for a junta. The (HRC & WJC) simply will not be able to contain themselves sucking all of the oxygen out of the room for 3 nights in a row

773 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:20:22am

re: #748 Racer X

Obama's first pick was Hillary. Then she started getting all bitchy and demanding. Out.

Second choice was John Edwards. Ha! Out.

Third choice Biden. Cannot wait until he sticks his foot in his mouth big time.

theres no indication that his "first choice was Hillary". His people never asked for Hillarys medical nor financial records

774 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:21:05am

re: #746 galloping granny

All of this is true, but I have to tell you, I don't think people who are in financial trouble right now are really going to see Obama's plans for national socialism as a solution to the problems. I don't think you will find many homeowners in Obama's no taxes category. And the Democrats have not exactly done anything to bail out individuals in this housing mess.

That's not the question we are debating. Although I can argue that when suffering economically is exactly when people wonder if there is a better way.

We are arguing just whether McCain should place an extra unneeded burden on himself with the issue of his running mate being super rich.

Is Romney so compelling a choice that he makes it worth giving the Democrats the attack? I think, not even close.

775 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:21:16am

re: #679 opnion

re: #679 opnion

Clean & articulate? Do ya think that they might be euphemisms for non ghetto & non Ebonics?

Only if you want them to be. Without even thinking about it I can make these two comparisons.

Obama is definely more articulate then GWB. And I would say much cleaner then Ted Kennedy.

776 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:21:58am

re: #764 opnion

Lots of Native Americans.

I think taxfreekiller owes reparations to Obama.

Pay up, tfk.

777 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:22:05am

re: #753 galloping granny

Hillary was not his first choice.

Hillary wasn't even on the list. PUMA is still very much alive and well!

778 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:22:05am

theres no indication that his "first choice was Hillary". His people never asked for Hillarys medical nor financial records

That is because she never would have given them...

779 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:22:28am

re: #765 Racer X

Getting to be less likely. I still have $10 riding on her to steal the nomination next week.

re: #766 Jim in Virginia

Improves them. Still a long shot.
Just my two cents, what do you think?

Biden *might* appeal to the middle-of-the-road democrats but, I still think BHO is tough to swallow.

780 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:22:32am

Looking at the overnight thread, I see Cognito DID post Clean and Jerk 08 on it. Great minds think alike, yes?

I think it is too clever for a bumpersticker - people will have no clue what it means, but I like it anyway.

781 avspatti  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:22:32am

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

No beef? No cheese? FOR TWO YEARS? Inconceivable. ;)

782 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:22:33am

re: #773 sattv4u2

theres no indication that his "first choice was Hillary". His people never asked for Hillarys medical nor financial records

I think as soon as it became apparent that Obama was beating Hillary he had notions of a dream ticket. Then things got nasty between them and it was quashed.

783 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:23:00am

re: #768 Peter Verkooijen

I don't see the point of this discussion over whether Delaware was or wasn't. My point was that the Dems apparently believe Biden can help them win "the working class white racist vote" - and jester6 apparently agrees.

Race has nothing to do with it. Southern and Western gun owners see Biden as exactly what he is, a pro-gun control elitist Mid Atlantic/NorthEastern Liberal.

If Obama thinks Biden is going to get him the white working class vote he must have picked up some really strong pakalolo on that Hawaiian vacation.

784 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:23:12am

re: #767 sattv4u2

I don't have enough words to show my disdain for your thought process. To include He could just have easily said you cannot talk to a cop in NYC a hundred years ago without an Irish accent. just underscores your allowance of the mans overtly racial and stereotypical words. I'm Italian, I must be in the Mafia. One of my best friends is Polish, he must be dumb. I once dated a Spanish woman, her family must be lawn mowers


once again , FEH to you

* * *
SATTVU2, Spanish people from Spain now hire Colombians and Ukrainians and Russians to do menial work.

No one in Spain mows their own lawn.

Get your Spanish speaking countries straight!

785 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:23:30am

re: #772 wright1

THAT is what people should keep an eye on. The stage is set for a junta. The (HRC & WJC) simply will not be able to contain themselves sucking all of the oxygen out of the room for 3 nights in a row

We've been ignoring one of the biggest narcissists of all time: Bill Clinton. I wonder where HRC ranks on that scale.

786 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:23:45am

re: #775 jester6

Obama is definely more articulate then GWB

yeah ,, right

Obama is definely more articulate then GWB

787 rightymouse  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:23:56am

re: #775 jester6

Obama is definely more articulate then GWB.

Uh..uh..uh..uh...don't think so.

788 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:24:23am

re: #739 jester6

The clean articulate comment was not racist at all. He was simply stating facts and the news has borne him out.


Rrrriiiight. And if Biden had added, "... and as far as we know, he doesn't smoke crack", why, that wouldn't have been racist either, right? Just plain factual. Yessir.

789 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:24:27am

re: #775 jester6

Obama is definely more articulate then GWB

yeah ,,, right ,,

Youtube Video

790 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:24:58am

re: #775 jester6

re: #679 opnion


Only if you want them to be. Without even thinking about it I can make these two comparisons.

Obama is definely more articulate then GWB. And I would say much cleaner then Ted Kennedy.

BULLSHIT. BHO is articulate only with the telepromter is on.

791 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:25:29am

re: #785 MandyManners

I'd have to give her a close second but only by a nose (a bulbous one at that)

792 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:25:32am

Oh c'mon. Obama is a clean nice looking black man. There. I said it. No other qualifications are needed.

He can easily be the leader of the free world.

/Not

793 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:25:33am

re: #774 Opinionated

I think you overestimate the ability of the "super rich" canard to work. Veeps barely make an impact on people's decision- the best they can do is bring in some electoral votes. I really don't think it will make an impact. This campaign is going to come down to energy and foreign policy and it's going to be on the Prez nominees, not the veeps, to make the case they're better for American than the other guy.

794 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:25:38am

re: #784 alegrias

Oh, come on, all you people are "Spanish"...

///

[I'm speaking with my "slight Indian accent"]

795 realwest  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:25:47am

Well y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta go mush some lunch.
Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

796 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:25:57am

re: #786 sattv4u2

Obama is definely more articulate then GWB

yeah ,, right

Obama is definely more articulate then GWB

Oh, come on now, Dubya is most articulatable. He knows all about strategery.

ObamUh, not so much.

797 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:26:20am

re: #778 wright1

theres no indication that his "first choice was Hillary". His people never asked for Hillarys medical nor financial records

That is because she never would have given them...

Takes a Grand Jury subpoena to get them- and even then.....

798 Opinionated  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:26:31am

Let me make something clear. I have nothing against Romney.

He was never my first choice but I'm Ok with him as McCain's VP.

I'm Ok with pretty much anyone as McCain's VP.

With one exception. Rice.

I am terrified of a President Obama. I pray McCain wins.

All my comments are my opinion of what would work best. And the issues involved. They are obviously subjective but I do my best to try to see all sides.

799 tradewind  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:26:36am

re: #785 MandyManners

My fave thought on #42...can't remember who said it...

Bill Clinton : the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral...


...and to that I add, ' the nominee at every convention'.

800 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:26:39am

re: #774 Opinionated

That's not the question we are debating. Although I can argue that when suffering economically is exactly when people wonder if there is a better way.

We are arguing just whether McCain should place an extra unneeded burden on himself with the issue of his running mate being super rich.

Is Romney so compelling a choice that he makes it worth giving the Democrats the attack? I think, not even close.

* * *
When the economy is suffering, the BETTER WAY is to cut taxes.

Republicans believe in cutting taxes & cutting spending, except on defense in times of war.

Both Romney & McCain believe these republican principles can help Americans help themselves become better off. Both are credible examples of putting country first, and sound financial management.

801 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:26:49am

re: #784 alegrias

* * *
SATTVU2, Spanish people from Spain now hire Colombians and Ukrainians and Russians to do menial work.

No one in Spain mows their own lawn.

Get your Spanish speaking countries straight!

I didn't say she came from SPAIN. I should have said Spanish Speaking (or Latino) (she was from Columbia, btw)

802 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:26:56am

re: #781 avspatti

No beef? No cheese? FOR TWO YEARS? Inconceivable. ;)

And I guess going from 343 pounds to 183 pounds is inconceivable. And I did admit that I do hace some cheese on occasion, mainly if I eat out. I won't keep cheese in the apartment. No dairy in my fridge. I can't stay away from it if I have it at home.

803 Optimizer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:27:00am

re: #673 sattv4u2

And as for the Indian comment or the "clean" comment I don't find them racist at all.

Not racist? They play to STEREOTYPES, the WORST kind of racisim there is !

If Biden is really an insensitive racist then so was Trent Lott when he said nice things about Strom Thurmond.

Lott stated (to an old old man to make him feel good on his day) that this country would have been served well if Thurrmond was a President. He didn't malign or stereotype an ENTIRE RACE or NATION of people!

I don't see how "stereotyping" an ethnic group as typically owning and running successful small businesses is some kind of racial slur. He could have added ("or go to the doctor").

804 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:27:21am

re: #775 jester6

re: #679 opnion


Only if you want them to be. Without even thinking about it I can make these two comparisons.

Obama is definely more articulate then GWB. And I would say much cleaner then Ted Kennedy.


I do not believe that Biden is a racist, but he would not have used that terminology about a White candidate., It would have been a given.
he seemed to find it fantastic that Obama does not look ghetto or speak Ebonics.
It's not a matter of what I want them to be.

805 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:28:03am

re: #791 wright1

I'd have to give her a close second but only by a nose (a bulbous one at that)

I wonder if BHO chose Biden in order to placate the party.

806 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:28:14am

re: #803 Optimizer

He could have added ("or go to the doctor").

could have ,, but didn't !@

807 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:28:19am

re: #795 realwest

Well y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta go mush some lunch.
Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

And I'm headed for a short nap before I head off to work at the theatre. Sold out tonight. Gonna be busy.

808 BellaBello  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:28:31am

Obama bin Biden 08!

809 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:28:31am

Seriously, Biden can't talk without gesticulating. Tie his hands, he's speechless. It's the same affliction that Ron Paul has, but not in the deranged scarecrow manner.

810 jcm  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:28:41am

re: #790 MandyManners

BULLSHIT. BHO is articulate only with the telepromter is on.

Obama know what he WANTS to say, but he can't because it will all sound like Waters socializing the oil industry. He's got to filter everything he thinks for consumption. Hence the tongue tripping.

GWB may not be eloquent, but his off the cuff is honest.

811 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:28:45am

re: #799 tradewind

My fave thought on #42...can't remember who said it...

...and to that I add, ' the nominee at every convention'.

Don't hookers hang out at conventions?

812 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:28:49am

re: #801 sattv4u2

I didn't say she came from SPAIN. I should have said Spanish Speaking (or Latino) (she was from Columbia, btw)

COLOMBIA!

813 rightymouse  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:29:24am

re: #793 Sharmuta

I think you overestimate the ability of the "super rich" canard to work. Veeps barely make an impact on people's decision- the best they can do is bring in some electoral votes. I really don't think it will make an impact. This campaign is going to come down to energy and foreign policy and it's going to be on the Prez nominees, not the veeps, to make the case they're better for American than the other guy.


I must confess that it was amusing watching Cheney smack Edwards around in the 2004 debate.

And how many of us are praying that McCain makes a good choice for VP? I know I am.

814 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:29:43am

re: #767 sattv4u2

I don't have enough words to show my disdain for your thought process. To include He could just have easily said you cannot talk to a cop in NYC a hundred years ago without an Irish accent. just underscores your allowance of the mans overtly racial and stereotypical words. I'm Italian, I must be in the Mafia. One of my best friends is Polish, he must be dumb. I once dated a Spanish woman, her family must be lawn mowers


once again , FEH to you

Remember we are talking about swing voters here.

If you are not worried about being sensitive you learn pretty quickly as you move through life that their is a kernel of truth to most stereotypes. And recognizing them and using them in your though process is no more racist then a direct mailing a certain zip code because the people who live their tend to buy the stuff you sell.

Where I live 80% or more of the Mexican immigrants (not Spanish) are landscapers. The folks the dominate the concrete business are Italian. The people who own c-stores are from India or Pakistan. I am no more racist in making those statements then I am at predicting 90% or more of the black vote will go for Obama this year.

815 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:29:49am

re: #811 MandyManners

Don't hookers hang out at conventions?

I'll find out for you next week.

816 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:29:50am

re: #774 Opinionated

That's not the question we are debating. Although I can argue that when suffering economically is exactly when people wonder if there is a better way.

We are arguing just whether McCain should place an extra unneeded burden on himself with the issue of his running mate being super rich.

Is Romney so compelling a choice that he makes it worth giving the Democrats the attack? I think, not even close.

I would not choose Romney at all, specifically because of the insurance mess in Massachusetts - now headed down the path to bankruptcy at a pretty fair clip over it. Not to mention other negatives that Romney drags along with him.

817 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:29:59am

re: #769 Colonel Panik

LOL!

CARY, NC = Colony Area of Relocated Yankees.

I lived in Charlotte for a while when I worked for EDS. I vote southern city for Charlotte.

When I started working there, I was warned by a co-worker not to say anything whatsoever about Opie. Really.

818 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:29:59am

re: #794 Occasional Reader

Oh, come on, all you people are "Spanish"...

///

[I'm speaking with my "slight Indian accent"]

* * *
Porque no te callas, Indio de la India? (As opposed to NorteAmericano Indio de las Americas)

819 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:30:22am

re: #810 jcm

Obama know what he WANTS to say, but he can't because it will all sound like Waters socializing the oil industry. He's got to filter everything he thinks for consumption. Hence the tongue tripping.

GWB may not be eloquent, but his off the cuff is honest.

Eggzackly.

820 Iron Fist  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:30:32am

I haven't read all the comments, so I'm sorry if this has already been said, but Biden as a choice shows that Obama is going to go with John Kerry's winning strategy with the South: fuck 'em. He neither wants nor needs our electoral votes.

Good luck with that.

821 Thanos  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:30:32am

re: #805 MandyManners

I wonder if BHO chose Biden in order to placate the party.

That's very close to the mark, just like the Republicans, the Dems have a "you have to wait your turn in line" bench in the Senate. Barack jumped line.

If the Republicans were smart they would also lead with a good Governor as P, and the "wait in line" Senator as VP.

822 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:30:33am

re: #803 Optimizer

Here's what Biden said ,, YOU tell me if he meant to add "or doctor" .

Youtube Video

823 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:30:35am

re: #790 MandyManners

BULLSHIT. BHO is articulate only with the telepromter is on.

Correct, but would Biden have referred to a white candidate as clean & articulate? Nope

824 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:30:35am

Bad move on Obama's part. Where's the Hope? Where's the Change?

Hope they don't notice that he Changed his mind.

825 BignJames  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:30:35am

re: #811 MandyManners

I don't think Bill's the payin' kind of customer.

826 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:30:45am

re: #818 alegrias

* * *
Porque no te callas, Indio de la India? (As opposed to NorteAmericano Indio de las Americas)

Yo soy cholo y orgulloso!

827 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:31:02am

re: #815 Walter L. Newton

I'll find out for you next week.

You're going down into the city?

828 Optimizer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:31:37am

re: #677 Walter L. Newton

That shit stinks. Not funny.

It also misses the point that none of Obama's ancestors were slaves (at least not in this country). He's biracial, not black, and his heritage and personal experience has little to do with the overwhelming majority of African-Americans.

829 wright1  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:31:39am

When you hear Hillary's statement about the qualifications of Mr. Hairplug, you know there is not a sincere note in any of it. If you wanted to be a conspiracy theorist, she probably had a hand in picking Biden to either steal it on the floor or let it crash and burn in the general.

830 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:31:56am

re: #818 alegrias

* * *
Porque no te callas, Indio de la India? (As opposed to NorteAmericano Indio de las Americas)

Even more confusingly, a lot of Spanish speakers will simply use hindu to mean Indian from India. Of course, not all Hindus are from India, and not all Indians are Hindus.

831 Catttt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:32:16am

re: #825 BignJames

I don't think Bill's the payin' kind of customer.

He gets by on charm. God knows it's not the quality of his equipment.

832 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:32:27am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

COLOMBIA!

* * *
Always with the "O"! N "O"bama!

833 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:32:28am

re: #827 MandyManners

You're going down into the city?

Well, I have the surgery consult on Monday, and then on Tuesday I go see my GP. Two days in a row, smack downtown, both early morning, hope to get back out and to Golden before the Dems wake up (which is what, 3 - 4 pm, it's dark in those basements).

834 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:32:29am

biab

835 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:32:34am

re: #798 Opinionated

Let me make something clear. I have nothing against Romney.

He was never my first choice but I'm Ok with him as McCain's VP.

I'm Ok with pretty much anyone as McCain's VP.

With one exception. Rice.

I am terrified of a President Obama. I pray McCain wins.

All my comments are my opinion of what would work best. And the issues involved. They are obviously subjective but I do my best to try to see all sides.

I have to agree with you. I am sorely afraid that if John McCain chose Condi Rice as a running mate, I would find myself either staying home or voting for Ralph Nader. I do not trust Rice, I do not like Rice and I think she has been absolutely devastating for Israel.

836 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:32:44am

re: #810 jcm

Obama know what he WANTS to say, but he can't because it will all sound like Waters socializing the oil industry. He's got to filter everything he thinks for consumption. Hence the tongue tripping.

GWB may not be eloquent, but his off the cuff is honest.

If Obama spoke honestly on the stump, based on his past words & actions it would be all over for him

837 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:33:54am

re: #828 Optimizer

It also misses the point that none of Obama's ancestors were slaves (at least not in this country). He's biracial, not black, and his heritage and personal experience has little to do with the overwhelming majority of African-Americans.

Point well taken. But I think I said it just as well "That shit stinks." Has a more down home feel to it, gets to the point, and I wasn't sure if he would understand a longer explanation.

838 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:34:18am

BBIAB

839 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:34:29am

re: #790 MandyManners

BULLSHIT. BHO is articulate only with the telepromter is on.

I would agree. That is why he does not want to debate McCain. He does not have a lot of substance to back him up. But that does not mean he is not articulate.

840 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:34:53am

re: #834 MandyManners

biab

Boy,
I
Am
Bored
?

841 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:35:15am

re: #839 jester6

I would agree. That is why he does not want to debate McCain. He does not have a lot of substance to back him up. But that does not mean he is not articulate.

And clean.

842 razorbacker  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:35:46am

If someone's not working on a little remake of this, then someone's missing a pretty good thing.

*I mean, really, Biden. HeeHee heehee hee!. The mind wobbles.*

843 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:35:57am

re: #813 rightymouse

I must confess that it was amusing watching Cheney smack Edwards around in the 2004 debate.

And how many of us are praying that McCain makes a good choice for VP? I know I am.

Still- the choice of VP has a minimal impact- people vote for or against the Presidential nominee- not the veep.

844 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:36:29am

re: #839 jester6

He does not have a lot of substance to back him up.


Agreed.

845 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:36:44am

re: #816 galloping granny

I would not choose Romney at all, specifically because of the insurance mess in Massachusetts - now headed down the path to bankruptcy at a pretty fair clip over it. Not to mention other negatives that Romney drags along with him.

* * *
Romney as a smart businessman would say "Well, we tried universal insurance in Massachusetts and it didn't work during my brief tenure or that of my democrat successor, so we're going to try other ways to cut medical expenses so every American can get affordable medical care."

Romney would not keep trying something that didn't work or LOST money all the time. He is not a stuck on stupid idealogue.

Sorry Granny but Romney is a viable candidate in my opinion.

846 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:37:10am

re: #820 Iron Fist

I haven't read all the comments, so I'm sorry if this has already been said, but Biden as a choice shows that Obama is going to go with John Kerry's winning strategy with the South: fuck 'em. He neither wants nor needs our electoral votes.

Good luck with that.

Nobody's said that yet. What's more- it's being reported obama is yanking ads in Southern states.

847 Racer X  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:38:13am

re: #843 Sharmuta

Still- the choice of VP has a minimal impact- people vote for or against the Presidential nominee- not the veep.

Exactly!

Whose phone is going to ring at 3am? Biden's? I think not. Will Barry have to make a second phone call on every decision? Probably.

848 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:38:26am

Biden did say that in Delaware, you can't go to a 7/11 without an Indian accent.
I am really glad that in this state I can get a slurpie without using an Indian accent

849 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:38:42am

re: #835 galloping granny
I'm pulling for Bolton myself. Can you picture the Dems if that happened?

850 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:39:02am

re: #820 Iron Fist

I haven't read all the comments, so I'm sorry if this has already been said, but Biden as a choice shows that Obama is going to go with John Kerry's winning strategy with the South: fuck 'em. He neither wants nor needs our electoral votes.

Good luck with that.

Are you saying us southern men don't need him 'round, anyhow?

851 Iron Fist  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:39:03am

re: #783 Colonel Panik

Exactly. Biden on Gun Control. More is better, and an "F" rating from the NRA.

McCain should take the Second Amendment battle to Obama/Biden. He'll bring out the bitter, clingy vote that is still kinda wary on him because of his immigration position.

852 stevieray  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:39:12am

re: #775 jester6

Obama is definely more articulate then than GWB.

853 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:39:21am

re: #830 Occasional Reader

Even more confusingly, a lot of Spanish speakers will simply use hindu to mean Indian from India. Of course, not all Hindus are from India, and not all Indians are Hindus.

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Speaking of which, India's troubled region of Jammu-Kashmir is about to explode--thousands Hindu and jihadist folks looking to rumble.

I Miss Musharraf.

I Miss Rumsfeld.

854 kuffar  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:39:25am

The political schizophrenia and political cognitive dissonance on the Democratic Presidential campaign is going to be fun to watch when it is unveiled.

855 Optimizer  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:40:08am

re: #683 Colonel Panik

Delaware did not secede and was therefore not a part of the Confederate States of America.

Although there were some Delawareans who joined the Army of Northern Virginia.

Interesting facts, but apparently there's a distinction to be made between "Confederate State", "Slave State", and "Southern State". The first two terms have fairly well-defined definitions, although you need to specifiy whether you mean "at the time of the Civil War" for the latter. What a "Southern State" is, is a matter of opinion.

Note how Biden uses the term "Slave State" to make it sound like it's a Southern State, when it suits his purposes. I wonder how many long-time Delaware natives consider themselves "Southerners".

856 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:40:11am

re: #847 Racer X

Exactly!

Whose phone is going to ring at 3am?

Obama's much more sophisticated. It'll be a text message at 3 am. Or perhaps, a Tweet from Twitter. He is so hip!

857 Clio  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:40:14am

The following question is based on a vague recollection that may or may not be correct. Perhaps some Lizard can confirm or dis-confirm it --

Was Biden the senator who once, many years back, made a speech that turned out to be plagiarized from a speech previously made by a British Member of Parliament?

?

858 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:40:27am

re: #839 jester6

I would agree. That is why he does not want to debate McCain. He does not have a lot of substance to back him up. But that does not mean he is not articulate.

You agree he's only articulate when he has a teleprompter, but that does not mean he is not articulate !?!?!?!?!?!

show your work !

859 alegrias  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:40:44am

re: #835 galloping granny

I have to agree with you. I am sorely afraid that if John McCain chose Condi Rice as a running mate, I would find myself either staying home or voting for Ralph Nader. I do not trust Rice, I do not like Rice and I think she has been absolutely devastating for Israel.

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McCain would not pick anyone wobbly on Israel, our lone democratic ally in the Middle East. No way, no how.

860 rightymouse  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:40:48am

re: #843 Sharmuta

Still- the choice of VP has a minimal impact- people vote for or against the Presidential nominee- not the veep.

For whatever reason - maybe because Cheney has been the most effective VP, or maybe because McCain wasn't the THE ideal candidate - a package deal this year seems to be more important. Could just be me, though.

861 opnion  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:40:58am

re: #845 alegrias

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Romney as a smart businessman would say "Well, we tried universal insurance in Massachusetts and it didn't work during my brief tenure or that of my democrat successor, so we're going to try other ways to cut medical expenses so every American can get affordable medical care."

Romney would not keep trying something that didn't work or LOST money all the time. He is not a stuck on stupid idealogue.

Sorry Granny but Romney is a viable candidate in my opinion.


You got it. He tried something , that did not work
He did great for the Salt Lake Olympics and is a savy business man.
Add to it , that a lot of Conservatives would consider it as McCain making nice. Mitts a good call

862 jester6  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:41:32am

re: #804 opnion

I do not believe that Biden is a racist, but he would not have used that terminology about a White candidate., It would have been a given.
he seemed to find it fantastic that Obama does not look ghetto or speak Ebonics.
It's not a matter of what I want them to be.

I don't think he was playing the race card. Substance aside he is more charming, good looking and articulate then any candidate in the race. He makes Edwards look like a stuttering Earnest Borgnine by comparison.

As far as clean goes, he does not have much of a track record to attack so he is by definition clean. So far the Republicans have only been able to attack him through his associates - Ayers, Wright and Rezco(sp?)

I say again the statements were true and unless you want to see him as being racist you will not find those statements racist.

863 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:41:51am

re: #395 Peter Verkooijen

Carly Fiorina was a miserable failure at HP. Wasn't Whitman on her way out at eBay as well?

Fiorina's time at HP was perhaps not a total failure, it's arguable, but as a campaign aide for McCain she *has* been a total failure.

Whitman leaving eBay would be simply because she had nowhere left to put more money, and had the sense to move along, she made it what it is, including profitable.

864 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:42:01am

re: #845 alegrias

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Romney as a smart businessman would say "Well, we tried universal insurance in Massachusetts and it didn't work during my brief tenure or that of my democrat successor, so we're going to try other ways to cut medical expenses so every American can get affordable medical care."

Romney would not keep trying something that didn't work or LOST money all the time. He is not a stuck on stupid idealogue.

Sorry Granny but Romney is a viable candidate in my opinion.

You may be correct as to what he would say. None the less, he gets the blame all by himself for the insurance mess in Massachusetts in the minds of most folks in New England.

865 debutaunt  Sat, Aug 23, 2008 11:42:05am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

COLOMBIA!

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