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Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:25:42 am PDT
We should have some more photos from Denver soon; I’ve been keeping in touch with Agent Z via SMS on a jailbroken iPhone. Upcoming highlights: the Falun Gong protest, and Angry Joe Biden’s arrival.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:28:13am |
"The Boss, Bon Jovi headed for Obama's acceptance speech at Invesco Field"
[Link: www.rockymountainnews.com...]
When will the Democrates learn that associating with Entertainer types doesn't real influence ordinary Americans?
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:28:16am |
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experiencedtraveller Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:28:16am |
Great show! The zombie reports are an outstanding resource for traveling lizards.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:29:03am |
re: #3 Nevergiveup
"The Boss, Bon Jovi headed for Obama's acceptance speech at Invesco Field"
[Link: www.rockymountainnews.com...]
When will the Democrates learn that associating with Entertainer types doesn't real influence ordinary Americans?
I wonder if he'll play "Born in the U.S.A" which really is NOT a patriotic song.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:29:58am |
Is it true Ted Kennedy is gonna' follow WAB tonight?
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rasachema Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:30:10am |
has anyone heard of an animated cartoon series called Zombie College?
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:30:46am |
Hot pro-life mother of five Governor and lifetime NRA member.
/hey McCain, you listening, what's not to like?
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:31:09am |
I picture Lizards in Denver huddled around radios, listening for radio broadcasts.
There is fire at the travel agency.
Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor.
John has a long mustache.
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:31:28am |
The drive-by DNC media are not doing the job. The reports I hear on the radio are essentially: "there are 3 protectors and tons of police".
That's not what the photos in the previous thread portray.
agenda.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:32:31am |
re: #12 FrogMarch
The drive-by DNC media are not doing the job. The reports I hear on the radio are essentially: "there are 3 protectors and tons of police".
That's not what the photos in the previous thread portray.agenda.
Maybe they mean at the "official" protesting area.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:32:57am |
ZOM-BIE, ZOM-BIE, ZOM-BIE, ZOM-BIE...!
/doing the wave now
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:32:57am |
Upcoming highlights: the Falun Gong protest
Which will be respectful, polite, and law-abiding, guaranteed. Unlike the scum we saw earlier.
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jester6 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:33:10am |
re: #5 MandyManners
I call BS. That doe not sound like Biden at all.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:33:27am |
re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I picture Lizards in Denver huddled around radios, listening for radio broadcasts.
There is fire at the travel agency.
Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor.
John has a long mustache.
But But The invasion has already started?
"Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor."
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cblesz Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:33:41am |
re: #10 Killian Bundy
Hot pro-life mother of five Governor and lifetime NRA member.
/hey McCain, you listening, what's not to like?
let it go...I have already gotten slammed here for mentioning her several times.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:33:43am |
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baxtrice Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:34:05am |
re: #3 Nevergiveup
"The Boss, Bon Jovi headed for Obama's acceptance speech at Invesco Field"
[Link: www.rockymountainnews.com...]
When will the Democrates learn that associating with Entertainer types doesn't real influence ordinary Americans?
Dear DNC and other Dems, THE 80's ARE OVER!
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Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:34:16am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:34:35am |
and Angry Joe Biden’s arrival
Hey! His IQ is probably higher than yours, Charles! And don't make him remind you!
//
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:34:49am |
re: #8 MandyManners
Is it true Ted Kennedy is gonna' follow WAB tonight?
I think Teddy offered her a ride home.
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jester6 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:34:58am |
re: #10 Killian Bundy
Hot pro-life mother of five Governor and lifetime NRA member.
/hey McCain, you listening, what's not to like?
She does not look like your typical female Republican governor.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:37:37am |
re: #18 Nevergiveup
But But The invasion has already started?
"Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor."
The invasion of Denver is just a diversion. That is not where the main landings will take place, that will come at Pas-de-Calais, where it was always expected!
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:38:34am |
re: #19 cblesz
let it go...I have already gotten slammed here for mentioning her several times.
No way.
/she's the perfect VP pick up against Ol' Plugs
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JohnnyReb Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:39:02am |
re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I picture Lizards in Denver huddled around radios, listening for radio broadcasts.
There is fire at the travel agency.
Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor.
John has a long mustache.
The penguins are under the bed, repeat, UNDER the bed, they are not in the refrigerator.
You are not authorized to us a herring at this time.
St. Frances is scratching her toes.
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:39:12am |
What are the Falun Gong protesting?
China harvesting organs from members for sale?
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RedPepper Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:39:40am |
It has been nearly a year since we lost the Weekly World News, so we can’t check, but I would bet any amount of money that Bat Boy and P’Lod (Hillary’s old space alien boyfriend) are in Denver right now, partying like there’s no tomorrow! You don’t have to be an O-bot to be a Dem … smorgasboard socialists of all stripes are welcome! Just leave your wallet & credit cards with the concierge on your way in, and please don’t be late for the Two-Minute Hate …
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Wendya Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:40:00am |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:40:34am |
Are any of you other lizards having problems with LGF? Upon refresh I could not get in at first. Now I am in but it looks like a typewritten page. Hope this comment will work.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:41:19am |
re: #29 taxfreekiller
Sarah taxes oil, the price at the pump in Alaska is $ very high and lots of the price is tax.
/her approval rate is in the high 80s
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NoSubmission Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:41:30am |
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Thanos Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:42:13am |
re: #10 Killian Bundy
Hot pro-life mother of five Governor and lifetime NRA member.
/hey McCain, you listening, what's not to like?
Alaska's already in the "R" column, other favorite son/daughter states are not...
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:42:26am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:43:26am |
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filetandrelease Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:43:28am |
re: #19 cblesz
let it go...I have already gotten slammed here for mentioning her several times.
Which is too bad, because Mac wins in a lands side with her on the ticket.
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cblesz Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:44:09am |
re: #44 filetandrelease
Which is too bad, because Mac wins in a lands side with her on the ticket.
I agree and that is why I have been banging the drum over her...
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:44:40am |
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:45:11am |
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:45:21am |
re: #46 cblesz
I agree and that is why I have been banging the drum over her...
No one wants to know your pet name for that.
/
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:45:37am |
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:45:44am |
re: #21 baxtrice
Dear DNC and other Dems, THE 80's ARE OVER!
Considering most dems are stuck in the 30s (FDR's NEw Deal!) or the 60s/70s (Vietnam and Free Drugs Love), the 80s is progress.
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Cygnus Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:45:51am |
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:46:05am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:46:09am |
re: #47 MandyManners
It's Biden.
Of course, we have no way of ascertaining whether he's really drunk (as the poster claims), or just being goofy.
(Not that it really matters much... no law against getting drunk)
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filetandrelease Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:46:15am |
re: #46 cblesz
I agree and that is why I have been banging the drum over her...
Hillary supporters would go nutts. One heart beat away!
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:46:36am |
re: #38 NoSubmission
FURRIES! At least one guy in a bunny suit.
Plus at least on NObama sign, and a "Vote McCain: Save our Country" sign.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:46:47am |
Cant we get a TV show to cover this? Something like Colbert but with a right slant?
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:46:52am |
re: #40 Thanos
re: #10 Killian Bundy
Sarah Palin!
Hot pro-life mother of five Governor and lifetime NRA member.
/hey McCain, you listening, what's not to like?
Alaska's already in the "R" column, other favorite son/daughter states are not...
This is not a rhetorical question, I seriously don't know. Does that "pick a vp and carry their state" thing bear out over the course of these elections?
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:47:29am |
re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I picture Lizards in Denver huddled around radios, listening for radio broadcasts.
There is fire at the travel agency.
Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor.
John has a long mustache.
The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.
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lifeofthemind Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:47:44am |
It happened again. I write a nice post and as soon as I click submit there is a new post with over 50 comments already on it.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:47:47am |
re: #43 Occasional Reader
So he's a follower of General Chang. What's the big deal?
Klingon bastards killed my son, that's the big deal!
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:48:05am |
re: #56 Kosh's Shadow
But no Duck of Peace. It isn't a real Peace Protest until they bring out the Duck.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:48:28am |
re: #58 Spenser (with an S)
This is not a rhetorical question, I seriously don't know. Does that "pick a vp and carry their state" thing bear out over the course of these elections?
Nope generally not. There is one rule I know of.
1) Don't pick a VP canidate who was in the looney bin and will have to withdraw!
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baxtrice Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:49:17am |
re: #51 JamesTKirk
Considering most dems are stuck in the 30s (FDR's NEw Deal!) or the 60s/70s (Vietnam and Free
DrugsLove), the 80s is progress.
LOL, but The Boss and Bon Jovi? Puh-Leeze. If they were REALLY trying to get the youth vote, they'd hit for Green Day or something like that..Bon Jovi just smacks of..well..desperation. And Springsteen (disclosure: I have never liked that him!) is always trotted out for some political BS. You'd think he'd be smart enough not to get used by these idiots. Oh well. Crash and Burn.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:49:20am |
re: #54 Occasional Reader
Of course, we have no way of ascertaining whether he's really drunk (as the poster claims), or just being goofy.
(Not that it really matters much... no law against getting drunk)
But, to do it in front of a camera shows really poor judgment. And, to make fun of a huge retirement complex in Florida is insane.
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J.D. Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:49:52am |
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:49:54am |
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JammieWearingFool Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:50:06am |
re: #36 Pvt Bin Jammin
Are any of you other lizards having problems with LGF? Upon refresh I could not get in at first. Now I am in but it looks like a typewritten page. Hope this comment will work.
Could be the Instalanche to the George Obama video slowing things up.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:50:07am |
I wonder if any Iraqis of any stripe will protest Joe "Partition Iraq and Leave the Ensuing Genocide" Biden.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:50:48am |
re: #63 Iron Fist
But no Duck of Peace. It isn't a real Peace Protest until they bring out the Duck.
JUST SAY POOP!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:50:59am |
re: #45 taxfreekiller
Yeah, lots of traffic from PJ media and Miss Malkin for the DNC protests.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:51:17am |
re: #67 J.D.
Reminds me of the time I was at a city council meeting and in walked a guy in a scuba outfit.
And...?
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J.D. Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:51:25am |
re: #71 MandyManners
JUST SAY POOP!
And here I'd managed to forget that...
Shame on you, Mandy...for shame
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:51:44am |
re: #66 MandyManners
And, to make fun of a huge retirement complex in Florida is insane.
Is that what he's doing? I have no idea what the silly song is. It's a commercial jingle?
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:51:57am |
re: #70 karmic_inquisitor
I wonder if any Iraqis of any stripe will protest Joe "Partition Iraq and Leave the Ensuing Genocide" Biden.
Muqtada al Sadr?
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Son Of The Godfather Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:52:08am |
I think this is probably the single most important grassroots effort this decade:
http://www.thelopezfamilyonline.com/play.php?first =Charles&last=Johnson
PLEASE help us support this cause. heh
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:52:19am |
re: #67 J.D.
Reminds me of the time I was at a city council meeting and in walked a guy in a scuba outfit.
Was he with a rabbi and a priest?
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:52:19am |
re: #74 J.D.
And here I'd managed to forget that...
Shame on you, Mandy...for shame
I've been a bad, bad girl.
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J.D. Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:52:43am |
re: #73 MandyManners
And...?
He was essentially protesting against a woman from a nonprofit who was proposing to undertake a program, at her nonprofit's expense, to bring some folks out of the floodplain. Go figure.
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Charles Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:52:51am |
Big surge of traffic here ... we're slowing a bit but the servers are looking healthy so far.
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:52:55am |
re: #40 Thanos
Romney's not going to bring Massachusetts. Nor is he likely to bring Michigan. Those States are too blue. If he's not out, then I don't see why Palin should be. That said, I'd say McCain has already made up his mind. He's just not going to distract from the Democrats destroying themselves in Denver. Did I mention Puma?
Go PU-MA!
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:53:18am |
re: #76 Occasional Reader
Is that what he's doing? I have no idea what the silly song is. It's a commercial jingle?
Yes. The Villages.
[Link: www.thevillages.com...]
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J.D. Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:53:41am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:53:54am |
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J.D. Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:54:28am |
re: #84 MandyManners
Yes. The Villages.
[Link: www.thevillages.com...]
More stds per capita than anywhere else in the U.S., I do believe.
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Thanos Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:54:33am |
re: #56 Kosh's Shadow
FURRIES! At least one guy in a bunny suit.
Plus at least on NObama sign, and a "Vote McCain: Save our Country" sign.
There's a guy in orange turban way down the page toting a Nazi death rune on his back (lebensrune inverted.)
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Son Of The Godfather Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:55:13am |
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:55:37am |
re: #76 Occasional Reader
Is that what he's doing? I have no idea what the silly song is. It's a commercial jingle?
Also about The Villages....
A gynecologist at The Villages community near Orlando, Fla., said she treats more cases of herpes and the human papilloma virus in the retirement community than she did in the city of Miami.
SNIP
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:55:46am |
Just got this, courtesy a WaPo DNC convention "LiveWire" update:
Clinton Takes on New McCain Ads
DENVER, Colo. -- Hillary Clinton struck back today at John McCain's efforts to woo her supporters in new television ads.“I’m Hillary Clinton and I do not approve that message," Clinton said of the ads that suggest Obama passed over the New York senator because he was threatened by his primary rival. Clinton spoke at the New York Democratic Party’s delegation breakfast this morning at the Sheraton Hotel in downtown Denver.
Democrats open their national convention today with an ambitious agenda of selling the presidential candidacy of Sen. Barack Obama to a national audience and unifying a party still recovering from a bruising primary.
Yawn.
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:55:59am |
Fox News Alert! Madonna has put out a video praising the Obamahdi and vilifying McCain. Wow, a stringy, dried-up pop-star endorsing The One? He's a shoo-in with the youth vote now.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:56:06am |
re: #90 MandyManners
Also about The Villages....
A gynecologist at The Villages community near Orlando, Fla., said she treats more cases of herpes and the human papilloma virus in the retirement community than she did in the city of Miami.
SNIP
Good for them!
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turn Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:56:14am |
re: #82 Charles
Hey Charles. I’ve been meaning to ask you about a little problem I’m been having lately when I open LGF. The most recent links spinning icon thingy hourglasses and doesn’t load the links. Plus I can’t log on at the main page, that checking credentials thingy hourglasses too. I have to go to the bottom of the comment thread to log on then everything works fine. I’m using IE.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:56:21am |
re: #81 J.D.
He was essentially protesting against a woman from a nonprofit who was proposing to undertake a program, at her nonprofit's expense, to bring some folks out of the floodplain. Go figure.
He liked floodplains?!
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:56:55am |
re: #82 Charles
Big surge of traffic here ... we're slowing a bit but the servers are looking healthy so far.
Linking to the George Obama threads?
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jester6 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:56:56am |
re: #47 MandyManners
Do you here his nasally voice in there?
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:57:02am |
re: #87 J.D.
More stds per capita than anywhere else in the U.S., I do believe.
Beat me by a few seconds.
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J.D. Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:57:48am |
re: #96 MandyManners
He liked floodplains?!
He was too stoopid to figure out that's what he was doing.
He fell into the CAVEperson category:
Citizens
Against
Virtually
Everything
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:57:50am |
re: #69 JammieWearingFool
It's okay now but NY Nana was having problems last night as well.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:58:01am |
re: #93 Nevergiveup
Good for them!
What? That means they're not practicing safe sex, which could lead to rampant HIV.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:58:35am |
/and you just know none of these fruitcakes ha a hotel room
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:58:39am |
re: #90 MandyManners
A gynecologist at The Villages community near Orlando, Fla., said she treats more cases of herpes and the human papilloma virus in the retirement community than she did in the city of Miami.
That friggin' jingle runs every half-hour on tv in the morning while I'm getting ready. "America's Friendliest Hometown" Indeed!
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:58:49am |
Hello all!
Been having fun at the moonbats expense I see. Sorry I have missed so much of the fun.
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Typicalwhitey Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:58:53am |
Say I'm a single woman in Denver.
Do I want to hit these guys or these guys?
Decisions......decisions......LMAO
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wolfie Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:58:57am |
re: #38 NoSubmission
My particular favorites:
An extraordinarily clean and tidy young woman carrying a sign saying WAR MAKES A MESS.
The girly-man w/ a sign saying EITHER WAR IS OBSOLETE OR MEN ARE.
Hmmmmmmm.................
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:58:58am |
re: #95 J.D.
OK...so I didn't have the link handy...
I had no idea about it until a few minutes ago. It was just below the link to The Villages on my search page.
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:59:10am |
Anyone know if zombie will be attending the Republican convention as well?
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cblesz Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:59:10am |
Just as a reminder as the WHACKJOBS descend on Denver:
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:59:15am |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:59:21am |
Democrats to mock McCain's torture in Veitnam....
Convention alert (w/poll): Jangling keys could backfire on Dems
However, one of my coworkers, who frequents Democratic Underground, alerted me to an article in Salon that reveals an inconvenient reality for delegates planning to jangle keys at the convention.
....McCain has himself described having an adverse reaction to the sound of jangling keys, which reminds him of his Vietnam jailers.
....
At first glance, I tend to agree with Denise that, by going with the "jangling keys," we run the risk of being painted with the Traditional Media Megaphone as being insensitive to McCain's PTSD and, as is customary for right-wingers in general, as "not supporting the troops." All fodder for McCain's pet right-wing noise machine.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:59:27am |
re: #103 MandyManners
What? That means they're not practicing safe sex, which could lead to rampant HIV.
Maybe, but at least their having some. And I mean how long can you expect to live anyway?
/
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:59:43am |
re: #101 J.D.
He was too stoopid to figure out that's what he was doing.
He fell into the CAVEperson category:
Citizens
Against
Virtually
Everything
Kin to the NIMBY folks?
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J.D. Mon, Aug 25, 2008 11:59:48am |
re: #110 MandyManners
I had no idea about it until a few minutes ago. It was just below the link to The Villages on my search page.
My neighbor moved up there several months ago. I guess he knew...
;-)
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:00:06pm |
re: #90 MandyManners
Also about The Villages....
A gynecologist at The Villages community near Orlando, Fla., said she treats more cases of herpes and the human papilloma virus in the retirement community than she did in the city of Miami.
SNIP
The seniors are feeling frisky these days.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:00:15pm |
re: #83 Iron Fist
Romney's not going to bring Massachusetts. Nor is he likely to bring Michigan. Those States are too blue. If he's not out, then I don't see why Palin should be. That said, I'd say McCain has already made up his mind. He's just not going to distract from the Democrats destroying themselves in Denver. Did I mention Puma?
Go PU-MA!
PUMA! PUMA! Go Hillary (for 2008). [/am I too late?]
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J.D. Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:00:23pm |
re: #115 Nevergiveup
Maybe, but at least their having some. And I mean how long can you expect to live anyway?
/
I like an optimist.
No, wait...
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RememberSekhmet? Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:00:27pm |
re: #31 jcm
What are the Falun Gong protesting?
China harvesting organs from members for sale?
Wow, you mean, as in people who are actually facing repression, instead of playacting? What a concept!
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:00:36pm |
re: #104 Killian Bundy
/and you just know none of these fruitcakes ha a hotel room
Patiot Act? What's a "patiot"? A new kind of Furry?
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:01:00pm |
re: #106 Spenser (with an S)
That friggin' jingle runs every half-hour on tv in the morning while I'm getting ready. "America's Friendliest Hometown" Indeed!
It's a stalker commercial!
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:01:01pm |
re: #109 wolfie
My particular favorites:
An extraordinarily clean and tidy young woman carrying a sign saying WAR MAKES A MESS.
The girly-man w/ a sign saying EITHER WAR IS OBSOLETE OR MEN ARE.
Hmmmmmmm.................
I liked the one with the codepinko lady with tape over her mouth...if only they would all do that.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:01:03pm |
re: #76 Occasional Reader
Is that what he's doing? I have no idea what the silly song is. It's a commercial jingle?
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turn Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:01:22pm |
re: #108 Typicalwhitey
Say I'm a single woman in Denver.
Do I want to hit these guys or these guys?
Decisions......decisions......LMAO
Heh. You just need to wait for the end of the convention and see who is left standing. My bet is on the men in black.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:01:35pm |
re: #115 Nevergiveup
Maybe, but at least their having some. And I mean how long can you expect to live anyway?
/
Ummmm...okay.
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:01:38pm |
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:01:54pm |
re: #109 wolfie
My particular favorites:
An extraordinarily clean and tidy young woman carrying a sign saying WAR MAKES A MESS.
The girly-man w/ a sign saying EITHER WAR IS OBSOLETE OR MEN ARE.
Hmmmmmmm.................
Heh.
I loved the one saying 'support shenanigans' - good thing my dogs can't read, because I keep telling them 'no shenanigans!' when we go out in the park!
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:02:05pm |
re: #117 J.D.
My neighbor moved up there several months ago. I guess he knew...
;-)
Send him a crate of condoms for Christmas.
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filetandrelease Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:02:07pm |
re: #58 Spenser (with an S)
This is not a rhetorical question, I seriously don't know. Does that "pick a vp and carry their state" thing bear out over the course of these elections?
If Al Gore won TN he would have been POTUS. But he didn't.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:02:44pm |
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:03:07pm |
Health Care for profit is sick
a lone Hillary Supporter
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:03:11pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:03:20pm |
Cindy Sheehan Bugged in Denver
So I walked into my room and bigger than life, there was a man standing by my desk holding the room phone with a screwdriver in his hand!
I immediately said; "What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug on my phone?" He looked like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and stammered out: "N--no, we are having problems with the phone." I told him to get out of my room because my phone was fine and I called the front desk and the person at the front desk stammered something out about "problems" with some of the phones.
Heh. What a loon.
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:03:22pm |
re: #120 Golem Akbar
I'd love to see the roll call vote come down to a handful of superdelegates. Oh, the joy!
PUMA!
:-þ
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:03:34pm |
re: #128 turn
Heh. You just need to wait for the end of the convention and see who is left standing. My bet is on the men in black.
The guys in black have a stable job with good benefits....
The other guys have.....
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:03:35pm |
re: #135 FrogMarch
Health Care for profit is sick
a lone Hillary Supporter
Let's pay our doctors and nurses with lollipops.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:03:39pm |
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:04:16pm |
Heh. At least they haven't decided to throw their support behind Mercedes Benz. Or is that protest Mercedes Benz. You never can tell with all the patchouli.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:04:43pm |
re: #134 MandyManners
I reckon 60 *is* the new 40.
Then what does that make the 40's? I'm there and I now find myself looking forward to the 60's.
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:04:56pm |
re: #141 MandyManners
Looks like the post office.
Yeah you're right, it does. that's kind of out of the way.
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:05:09pm |
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:05:18pm |
re: #129 MandyManners
Hey, at least if you get the Gift that Keeps on Giving (Herpes, not Jimmy Carter), while you'll still have it for the rest of your life, the rest of your life won't be that long! That's the spirit!
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:05:18pm |
re: #135 FrogMarch
Health Care for profit is sick
a lone Hillary Supporter
Tell it to da' Man. Or make that Michelle Obama. She's profiting from health care quite well.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:05:37pm |
re: #133 filetandrelease
If Al Gore won TN he would have been POTUS. But he didn't.
Yeah, Delaware is a big state.
/not
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wolfie Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:05:43pm |
re: #126 Ford_Prefect
I liked the one with the codepinko lady with tape over her mouth...if only they would all do that.
God willing, it will start a trend!
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:05:52pm |
Did ya see the little group with the 'Nobama' sign?
For once, there was a group which looked happy and smiling - not like those grim and grimy moonbats.
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galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:06:08pm |
HMMMMM - Fox is doing a bio on Michelle Obama, who was an aide to Mayor Daley of Chicago. My, my, my . . .
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:06:18pm |
re: #143 Ford_Prefect
Then what does that make the 40's? I'm there and I now find myself looking forward to the 60's.
Beats me.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:06:24pm |
re: #133 filetandrelease
If Al Gore won TN he would have been POTUS. But he didn't.
Tennesseans knew him too well to vote for him.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:06:51pm |
re: #144 FrogMarch
Yeah you're right, it does. that's kind of out of the way.
It's usually quiet around there. It really was the afternoon of 9/11/01.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:06:53pm |
re: #150 wolfie
God willing, it will start a trend!
I'm willing to kick in a few dollars for the tape.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:07:28pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:08:01pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:08:19pm |
re: #147 Iron Fist
Hey, at least if you get the Gift that Keeps on Giving (Herpes, not Jimmy Carter), while you'll still have it for the rest of your life, the rest of your life won't be that long! That's the spirit!
Ummmmmmm...okay.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:09:15pm |
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Golem Akbar Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:09:24pm |
re: #136 Ford_Prefect
Brave woman.
She's one of the good guys. A cyclist.
Now, isn't Charles a cyclist? Coincidence?
I case my rest...
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turn Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:10:55pm |
re: #114 Killgore Trout
Democrats to mock McCain's torture in Veitnam....
Convention alert (w/poll): Jangling keys could backfire on Dems
I'm not surprised that the majority in the poll there see no problem with this, almost hopeful it will trigger a PTSD reaction in McCain. These people really are sick, and this will surely backfire on them just like the General Betrayus stunt did. Not only are the sick, they're really stupid too.
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RedPepper Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:11:04pm |
re: #151 yma o hyd
Did ya see the little group with the 'Nobama' sign?
For once, there was a group which looked happy and smiling - not like those grim and grimy moonbats.
Oh, no ! We can't have any of that ! What if The One sees them ?
Thin Resume, Thinner Skin !
Obama ’08 !
/
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:11:20pm |
re: #161 Golem Akbar
She's one of the good guys. A cyclist.
Now, isn't Charles a cyclist? Coincidence?
I case my rest...
What are you saying? Is that Charles in drag?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:11:23pm |
re: #130 FrogMarch
I hope she stays safe. I can easily see one of the hate-twisted "protesters" assaulting her.
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:12:13pm |
re: #158 MandyManners
Or, so those marketing to the YUPPIES want them to believe.
Indeed...I'm all for maturity and wisdom myself. Always hated the fact that I was born at the tail end of the boomer generation. *sigh*
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:12:28pm |
Shocka: Violent Leftist Thug Defends Thugery at World Peace Conclave (aka - the Olympics)
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:12:32pm |
re: #164 Ford_Prefect
What are you saying? Is that Charles in drag?
Man, Charles has some pretty sweet legs.
Wait. I didn't say that.
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sparrowlake Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:12:49pm |
re: #143 Ford_Prefect
Then what does that make the 40's? I'm there and I now find myself looking forward to the 60's.
The 60's were 40 years ago.
The 40's were 60 years ago.
I'm so confused.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:12:50pm |
re: #163 RedPepper
Oh, no ! We can't have any of that ! What if The One sees them ?
Thin Resume, Thinner Skin !
Obama ’08 !/
Did you see the picture of the Iraq veterans against the war? How many of those guys do you think have ever really been to Iraq?
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:13:11pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
OMG. They probably stammered because they were shocked at being screamed at by the Seahag when they were only trying to do their jobs. If President Hope-n-change is elected (God forbid), I hope his health care plan covers anti-psychotic meds for her.
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Bobibutu Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:13:27pm |
re: #103 MandyManners
What? That means they're not practicing safe sex, which could lead to rampant HIV.
Read an article last year about HIV rates increasing in nursing homes. Increased Viagra use coupled with it.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:13:41pm |
re: #167 karmic_inquisitor
Shocka: Violent Leftist Thug Defends Thugery at World Peace Conclave (aka - the Olympics)
Eject Cuba from the next Olympics. (Unless they've, ah, changed regime by then.)
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:13:42pm |
re: #168 Occasional Reader
Man, Charles has some pretty sweet legs.
Wait. I didn't say that.
That's what cycling will do for you.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:14:08pm |
Along with jangling keys to remind him of his captivity, effectively playing the roles of communist torturers themselves, why don't they also make fun of his teeth some more?
The tolerant, compassionate left.
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:14:23pm |
The Democrats have embarked on a highly visible effort to make their convention the "greenest" ever, focusing on everything from expanded recycling to more creative programs like encouraging Denver restaurants to offer "lean 'n' green" meals made with healthful, organic, and locally sourced ingredients. But not all of their environmentally friendly initiatives have gone as planned. Take the hotel card keys, for example. Instead of the traditional plastic cards, the Sheraton in downtown handed guests Visa-sponsored swipe cards "made from sustainably-harvested wood." The plan lasted all of a few hours. By Saturday night, enough guests had reported problems getting into their rooms with the wooden cards that the front desk clerks had abandoned them and switched back to the plastic cards. A clerk said they were now handing out one of each and suggested that the wooden one could kept as a souvenir.
I love it when a plan comes together!
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:14:36pm |
re: #162 turn
I'm not surprised that the majority in the poll there see no problem with this, almost hopeful it will trigger a PTSD reaction in McCain. These people really are sick, and this will surely backfire on them just like the General Betrayus stunt did. Not only are the sick, they're really stupid too.
Speaking of keys, the idiots wanted to go green, so had hotels create wooden keys (don't ask how that is more green than the plastic keys since wood has to come from trees that are raped from the earth, but I digress). Well, everything changed from Day 1. Oh wait. It didn't. The keys didn't work, and the hotels had to issue the plastic keys anyway. So, they not only had to use wooden keys that didn't work, but had to issue the plastic keys.
Epic fail.
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turn Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:14:37pm |
re: #139 jcm
The guys in black have a stable job with good benefits....
The other guys have.....
A room in their parent's basement adorned with Obama posters and a messy bed, complete with dirty Che tee shirts littering the floor.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:15:18pm |
re: #175 Silhouette
Along with jangling keys to remind him of his captivity
You're shitting me. They're really done that?
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:15:22pm |
/I'm pretty sure he'd start with the giant puppet heads
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Thanos Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:15:31pm |
Expect The Manchurian Candidate to be in heavy rotation on all movie channels now until November.
The Keys thing is just a fresh way to stick the idiot concept into the american political psyche once again.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:15:31pm |
re: #170 Ford_Prefect
Did you see the picture of the Iraq veterans against the war? How many of those guys do you think have ever really been to Iraq?
Even Scott Beauchump has been to Iraq. Moonbats get into everything nowadays, so it wouldn't be much of a surprise to find they are for real.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:15:43pm |
re: #164 Ford_Prefect
What are you saying? Is that Charles in drag?
I think it's a cult...
bwa ha ha...
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Cognito Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:15:55pm |
re: #165 Occasional Reader
I hope she stays safe. I can easily see one of the hate-twisted "protesters" assaulting her.
"Peace" --- WHACK --- "is" --- THUMP --- "the" --- PUNCH --- "answer! Do you hear me?!"
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Bobibutu Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:16:14pm |
re: #172 Bobibutu
Read an article last year about HIV rates increasing in nursing homes. Increased Viagra use coupled with it.
[Link: www.ajc.com...]
something more recent.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:17:09pm |
re: #176 jcm
All that matters is that they tried. Good feelings are more important that actions or results.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:17:19pm |
re: #176 jcm
I love it when a plan comes together!
There's going to be enough material from this convention to keep the Lizard nation laughing for weeks. heh
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Dianna Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:17:53pm |
re: #168 Occasional Reader
Man, Charles has some pretty sweet legs.
Wait. I didn't say that.
I would love to have legs like that...All the riding hasn't done it to me.
Um....oh, y'know, the more I try to work that sentence, the worse it looks.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:18:38pm |
re: #179 Occasional Reader
You're shitting me. They're really done that?
Not yet, but its a plan.
See Killgore's #114
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RememberSekhmet? Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:19:21pm |
re: #44 filetandrelease
Which is too bad, because Mac wins in a lands side with her on the ticket.
I'm not down on Palin at all, but what polls do you have that suggest this?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:19:38pm |
re: #177 lawhawk
Unintentional self-parody is such a wonderful thing.
If they were really serious about "going green", they'd have insisted all the attendee hotel rooms be stocked with only a dozen squares of toilet paper per person per day. Hell, and turn off the electricity, while you're at it.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:19:51pm |
re: #184 Cognito
"Peace" --- WHACK --- "is" --- THUMP --- "the" --- PUNCH --- "answer! Do you hear me?!"
There is a sign on the other thread that says "Riot for Peace." But I do think that one is intentional.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:20:00pm |
re: #180 Killian Bundy
/I'm pretty sure he'd start with the giant puppet heads
Some asshole on my drive home has that same sign in their yard.
Fucking morons.
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The Other Les Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:20:05pm |
re: #82 Charles
Big surge of traffic here ... we're slowing a bit but the servers are looking healthy so far.
Yes. But how are the hamsters?
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politicalinsomniac Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:20:12pm |
Cindy Sheehan Bugged in DenverHeh. What a loon.
Maybe Nancy Pelosi isn't so bad after all.
| 196 |
NoSubmission Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:20:21pm |
re: #111 Ringo the Gringo
Anyone know if zombie will be attending the Republican convention as well?
Send ME! I'll go!
:)
| 197 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:20:48pm |
re: #162 turn
I'm not surprised that the majority in the poll there see no problem with this, almost hopeful it will trigger a PTSD reaction in McCain. These people really are sick, and this will surely backfire on them just like the General Betrayus stunt did. Not only are the sick, they're really stupid too.
They can't help themselves.
| 198 |
CIA Reject Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:21:30pm |
re: #3 Nevergiveup
"The Boss, Bon Jovi headed for Obama's acceptance speech at Invesco Field"
[Link: www.rockymountainnews.com...]
When will the Democrates learn that associating with Entertainer types doesn't real influence ordinary Americans?
W.C. Fields said it best:
"It's hard to know where Hollywood ends and the DTs begin".
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:21:43pm |
re: #186 Silhouette
All that matters is that they tried. Good feelings are more important that actions or results.
Speaking of tried....
Rain washes out 'car free' day in Seattle
"A car passes by every once in a while, just people trying to get home. And they don't know how to get home," said resident Matt O'Connor."I think most people are scratching their heads. I've seen people move the signs and drive through anyway," said Hubbard.
With more police officers diverting traffic than actual people, the city decided to end the event two hours earlier.
O'Connor said the idea was good in theory, "but in practice, it needs a little bit of work."
Adding insult to injury, the cars owned by some residents in the neighborhood were towed because the city wanted to clear the streets.
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wolfie Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:22:08pm |
re: #119 jcm
The seniors are feeling frisky these days.
Maybe.....or maybe not.
There is no reason to suppose that they contracted the diseases recently.
An OB/GYN friend of mine has noted that the period between the widespread use of anti-biotics and the AIDS crisis was the heyday of unprotected sex. The folks born just before the baby boom and the earlier boomers were young and frisky during that period, and they are the people logging into retirement communities right now.
My friend maintains that almost all of the newly diagnosed disease in senior women dates back a long while.
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Dirk Diggler Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:23:41pm |
Silhouette,
Along with jangling keys to remind him of his captivity
Some people really deserve an ass beating.
| 202 |
sparrowlake Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:23:44pm |
re: #186 Silhouette
All that matters is that they tried. Good feelings are more important that actions or results.
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Cognito Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:23:53pm |
re: #179 Occasional Reader
You're shitting me. They're really done that?
No, no. I'll eat my hat if the delegates stand up and jangle keys at the convention.
Maybe some idiot in a mask will do it out on the street, and that's shameful enough. But it absolutely will not happen as described.
| 205 |
jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:24:55pm |
re: #200 wolfie
Maybe.....or maybe not.
There is no reason to suppose that they contracted the diseases recently.
An OB/GYN friend of mine has noted that the period between the widespread use of anti-biotics and the AIDS crisis was the heyday of unprotected sex. The folks born just before the baby boom and the earlier boomers were young and frisky during that period, and they are the people logging into retirement communities right now.
My friend maintains that almost all of the newly diagnosed disease in senior women dates back a long while.
That's the rational explain... I prefer
"The Villages... where every night is singles night!"
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:24:56pm |
re: #200 wolfie
Maybe.....or maybe not.
There is no reason to suppose that they contracted the diseases recently.
An OB/GYN friend of mine has noted that the period between the widespread use of anti-biotics and the AIDS crisis was the heyday of unprotected sex. The folks born just before the baby boom and the earlier boomers were young and frisky during that period, and they are the people logging into retirement communities right now.
My friend maintains that almost all of the newly diagnosed disease in senior women dates back a long while.
Yes, a lot of boomer women joined the infantry during the sexual revolution.
| 207 |
The Other Les Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:24:58pm |
re: #135 FrogMarch
Health Care for profit is sick
a lone Hillary Supporter
Well...Soviet medicine sure worked out well... didn't it?
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galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:25:15pm |
re: #200 wolfie
Maybe.....or maybe not.
There is no reason to suppose that they contracted the diseases recently.
An OB/GYN friend of mine has noted that the period between the widespread use of anti-biotics and the AIDS crisis was the heyday of unprotected sex. The folks born just before the baby boom and the earlier boomers were young and frisky during that period, and they are the people logging into retirement communities right now.
My friend maintains that almost all of the newly diagnosed disease in senior women dates back a long while.
Your friend is probably right on the money. Have you noticed the great increase in infertility over the last few decades? Much of the time female infertility is due to untreated gonorrhea (extremely hard to diagnose in women) ---------> fallopian scarring.
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callahan23 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:25:15pm |
re: #3 Nevergiveup
"The Boss, Bon Jovi headed for Obama's acceptance speech at Invesco Field" [Link: [Link: www.rockymountainnews.com...]...] When will the Democrates learn that associating with Entertainer types doesn't real influence ordinary Americans?
Alice Cooper rocks:
“If you’re listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you’re a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we’re morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal.”
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:25:23pm |
re: #181 Thanos
Expect The Manchurian Candidate to be in heavy rotation on all movie channels now until November.
The Keys thing is just a fresh way to stick the idiot concept into the american political psyche once again.
That movie reminds me more of Obama than McCain, especially if you think of George Soros in the Angela Lansbury role. I haven't seen the Denzel Washington version.
| 211 |
Sol Roth Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:25:45pm |
What the Hell has happened to us that we accept open displays of hateful, anti-American COMMUNISTS? Why aren't AMERICANS stomping the crap out of these smelly, disgusting slugs? Why aren't the police sticking these vermin in a cage and turning a hose (with some delousing agent) on them?
I can't take this. We have become WAY too permissive of sedition in America. This isn't "free speech."
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:25:50pm |
re: #177 lawhawk
re: #176 jcm
This is a metaphore for how all of Obama's plans for the United States will work if we are only short sighted wise enough to entrust him with the Presidency.
Nothing will work as planed, and it will be wasteful in the process. And that's if we are luckey. But what's the risk? Obama's so hopey changey, and what's the worst that could happen?
(We're so screwed if the Obamessiah is elected. So incredibly screwed)
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:26:39pm |
re: #207 The Other Les
Well...Soviet medicine sure worked out well... didn't it?
And getting your health care from the VA is no picnic, either.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:27:50pm |
Cool clouds and rain falling in the middle distance; San Gabriel Mountains. (Towercam)
A rest from all this politics, if you would like.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:28:08pm |
re: #198 CIA Reject
I just started reading a book about Reagan and his role in ending the cold war. It talks about his early days in the Screen Actors Guild and how he had to fight against a large communist contingent in Hollywood. It would seem to me like not much has changed in the world of celebrity. The thing none of them seem to understand is that if they ever got what they seem to want then none of them would have the things that have now, including their right to speak out against their government. Idiots!
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:28:13pm |
re: #209 callahan23
re: #3 Nevergiveup
Ever notice that the "Crazy" rockers turned out sane, while the "wholesome" rockers are batshit crazy?
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sparrowlake Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:28:46pm |
re: #188 Dianna
I would love to have legs like that...All the riding hasn't done it to me.
Um....oh, y'know, the more I try to work that sentence, the worse it looks.
The Rack/Starvation Combo Weekend Special is the answer.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:29:19pm |
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Just Another Four-letter Word Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:29:32pm |
re: #63 Iron Fist
But no Duck of Peace. It isn't a real Peace Protest until they bring out the Duck.
If Inflated Scrotum Guy is going to show there, then the Circus really IS in town!
JAFLW
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:29:41pm |
re: #215 Ojoe
Heh, I was just looking at that a few minutes ago,,,,trying to figure out if we are going to get rain here at the bottom of the hill. The sun is still shining for us.
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jester6 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:30:12pm |
re: #199 jcm
I think you found a perfect parable for modern liberalism. Symbolism over substance, good intentions, ineffectiveness, unintended consequences and all.
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:30:12pm |
re: #212 Iron Fist
re: #176 jcm
This is a metaphore for how all of Obama's plans for the United States will work if we are only
short sightedwise enough to entrust him with the Presidency.Nothing will work as planed, and it will be wasteful in the process. And that's if we are luckey. But what's the risk? Obama's so hopey changey, and what's the worst that could happen?
(We're so screwed if the Obamessiah is elected. So incredibly screwed)
Even with Obama I'm optimistic. We can and will dig out.
But, the hole he digs is gonna' make the Carter hole look like a pothole compared to the Grand Canyon. Eventually we'll get out. Not easily or maybe even in our lifetime, but we'll get out.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:30:28pm |
re: #215 Ojoe
Cool clouds and rain falling in the middle distance; San Gabriel Mountains. (Towercam)
A rest from all this politics, if you would like.
I always dig towercam pictures; thanks.
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filetandrelease Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:31:15pm |
re: #190 RememberSekhmet?
I'm not down on Palin at all, but what polls do you have that suggest this?
I never have been one much for polls. It is just my opinion.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:31:15pm |
re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Ever notice that the "Crazy" rockers turned out sane, while the "wholesome" rockers are batshit crazy?
Funny how that worked out.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:31:27pm |
re: #223 jcm
Even with Obama I'm optimistic. We can and will dig out.
But, the hole he digs is gonna' make the Carter hole look like a pothole compared to the Grand Canyon. Eventually we'll get out. Not easily or maybe even in our lifetime, but we'll get out.
But there might be millions less of us. That is what worries me!
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CIA Reject Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:31:42pm |
re: #216 Ford_Prefect
Yes, there was such freedom of artistic expression under communism. Dolts. The communist influence in the entertainment industry also is at least a partial explanation of why the media so hated Richard Nixon. He exposed a lot of the communist influence in the industry.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:32:07pm |
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gonecamping Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:33:15pm |
If pink is considered a 'feminine' color, why does the distinctly 'unfeminine' looking wacko group use Code Pink as an organizational name?
Perhaps it sounds cute when the MSM reports on them? Code Pink must be a bunch of fun loving girls out speaking their minds right?(snort, cough)
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CIA Reject Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:33:49pm |
YIKES! Lost track of the time, gotta run.
See yaz all later!
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:34:08pm |
re: #227 Nevergiveup
But there might be millions less of us. That is what worries me!
Eventually every leftist based system will collapse under it's own weight. That leaves the bitter clingy ones who know how make things work and not afraid of risk.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:34:54pm |
Wouldn't it be "Who would Jesus bomb," not "Whom"?
They're trying re: #228 CIA Reject
Yes, there was such freedom of artistic expression under communism. Dolts.
Much like the care of the environment under commie regimes. All the eco-nuts deride capitalism, but they should see the devastation behind the iron curtain.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:35:35pm |
re: #233 Silhouette
Oops, ignore the top of the last post. It was a thought left over from before.
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callahan23 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:35:36pm |
#217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Ever notice that the "Crazy" rockers turned out sane, while the "wholesome" rockers are batshit crazy?
Bob Dylan is progressive as progressive as can be and needless to say, batshit-crazy. Of course he was one of the first to speek out in favor of Obamessiah!
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galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:35:41pm |
re: #230 gonecamping
If pink is considered a 'feminine' color, why does the distinctly 'unfeminine' looking wacko group use Code Pink as an organizational name?
Perhaps it sounds cute when the MSM reports on them? Code Pink must be a bunch of fun loving girls out speaking their minds right?(snort, cough)
I find myself rather surprised that they seem to have missed the "Pink" reference to "Pinko" - a cold war era term for a communist (red) fellow traveler.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:35:50pm |
re: #229 Ojoe
Yes they do have their own particular weather but I'm thinking we might get a little shower later.
Do you, or did you, live near here?
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:36:01pm |
re: #233 Silhouette
Wouldn't it be "Who would Jesus bomb," not "Whom"?
They're trying
Much like the care of the environment under commie regimes. All the eco-nuts deride capitalism, but they should see the devastation behind the iron curtain.
Just look at the air quality in China.
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The Other Les Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:36:16pm |
re: #233 Silhouette
Wouldn't it be "Who would Jesus bomb," not "Whom"?
They're trying
Much like the care of the environment under commie regimes. All the eco-nuts deride capitalism, but they should see the devastation behind the iron curtain.
They'll just mentally blank it out.
Seriously, I've run into commies who've done that.
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kcladderman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:36:19pm |
re: #235 callahan23
#217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Bob Dylan is progressive as progressive as can be and needless to say, batshit-crazy. Of course he was one of the first to speek out in favor of Obamessiah!
How could anyone understand what he was saying?
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:36:27pm |
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Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:36:32pm |
re: #236 galloping granny
I find myself rather surprised that they seem to have missed the "Pink" reference to "Pinko" - a cold war era term for a communist (red) fellow traveler.
What makes you think they missed that?
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:36:50pm |
re: #209 callahan23
Alice Cooper rocks:“If you’re listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you’re a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we’re morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal.”
Probably right. Two of the biggest moonbats at work are or were in rock bands. (One years ago, played at CBGB; the other plays local bars but they're looking for a new drummer right now)
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:37:15pm |
re: #236 galloping granny
I find myself rather surprised that they seem to have missed the "Pink" reference to "Pinko" - a cold war era term for a communist (red) fellow traveler.
Who said they missed it? I would say they did it on purpose.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:37:22pm |
re: #238 Ford_Prefect
Just look at the air quality in China.
That's easy; you can see the air in China.
/cough cough
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:37:27pm |
re: #242 Nevergiveup
I agree. I thought it was quite intentional.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:37:49pm |
re: #235 callahan23
#217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Bob Dylan is progressive as progressive as can be and needless to say, batshit-crazy. Of course he was one of the first to speek out in favor of Obamessiah!
How could anyone tell?
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rawmuse Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:38:04pm |
re: #211 Sol Roth
What the Hell has happened to us that we accept open displays of hateful, anti-American COMMUNISTS? Why aren't AMERICANS stomping the crap out of these smelly, disgusting slugs? Why aren't the police sticking these vermin in a cage and turning a hose (with some delousing agent) on them?
I can't take this. We have become WAY too permissive of sedition in America. This isn't "free speech."
It is not legal to kill them, even when they need it.
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Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:38:10pm |
re: #3 Nevergiveup
"The Boss, Bon Jovi headed for Obama's acceptance speech at Invesco Field"
[Link: www.rockymountainnews.com...]
When will the Democrates learn that associating with Entertainer types doesn't real influence ordinary Americans?
Acceptance speech? Can we assume Sen Clinton has totally conceded at this point? Or have the normal convention rules and voting been done away with for his messiahship? Or is it merely the press continuing to propagandize their "Chosen One"?
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:38:41pm |
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:39:28pm |
re: #223 jcm
The big fear of an Obama Presidency is Iran. Israel destroyed, and Iran in charge of Saudi and Iraq (at least where the oil is in Iraq) in addition to the Persian Gulf and Iran'sown oil supply. A nuclear Iran could bring all of that about, and Obama promises to be weak enough to allow it.
A collapsed economy will bring that chicken home to roost, and a resurgent Soviet Union would just be icing on the cake, as it were. But, hey, we'd implement the Kyoto Protocol, so the world would love us, right?
It'll take a lot of digging to get out of the hole Obama will dig for us. But then, Obama would count it as a success if fewer people were getting rich. Especially if only the right people were getting rich, while the wrong people (read: the vast majority of us) were getting poorer. Anything to cut our carbon footprint.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:39:32pm |
re: #243 Kosh's Shadow
Probably right. Two of the biggest moonbats at work are or were in rock bands. (One years ago, played at CBGB; the other plays local bars but they're looking for a new drummer right now)
You work with the guys from Spinal Tap? Wow KS, I'm impressed.
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wolfie Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:39:32pm |
re: #208 galloping granny
Exactly. And some of these chronic, asymptomatic diseases in women weren't even considered a problem until the connection between STD's and infertility was made as the boomers aged. (I'm thinking especially of chlamydia, e.g.)
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gonecamping Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:40:09pm |
re: #236 galloping granny
I find myself rather surprised that they seem to have missed the "Pink" reference to "Pinko" - a cold war era term for a communist (red) fellow traveler.
You may have something there. Pinko is passe, now the term is merely Pink to indentify the new age Commies.
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filetandrelease Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:40:12pm |
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callahan23 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:40:48pm |
#243 Kosh's Shadow
Probably right. Two of the biggest moonbats at work are or were in rock bands. (One years ago, played at CBGB; the other plays local bars but they're looking for a new drummer right now)
Just interested, who are they?
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:40:55pm |
re: #236 galloping granny
I find myself rather surprised that they seem to have missed the "Pink" reference to "Pinko" - a cold war era term for a communist (red) fellow traveler.
I've always liked the expression "parlor pink." We should bring that one back, but I think a lot of people don't remember what a parlor is.
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galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:41:08pm |
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:42:10pm |
re: #211 Sol Roth
What the Hell has happened to us that we accept open displays of hateful, anti-American COMMUNISTS? Why aren't AMERICANS stomping the crap out of these smelly, disgusting slugs? Why aren't the police sticking these vermin in a cage and turning a hose (with some delousing agent) on them?
I can't take this. We have become WAY too permissive of sedition in America. This isn't "free speech."
I disagree. It is free speech as long as they don't become violent or incite violence. I couldn't disagree with their opinions more, but I would fight for their right to express those opinions, even if they wouldn't.
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jorline Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:42:20pm |
BHO will be the dark stain on the seat of the Democrats Tity Whities.
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:42:34pm |
re: #248 rawmuse
It is not legal to kill them, even when they need it.
That is most unfortunate. We should work on changing that law.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:43:26pm |
re: #259 Dianna
Just noticed your avatar Dianna.
So, is that Secret Squirrel or Mike "Nutcracker" Hammer Squirrel?
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:43:56pm |
re: #235 callahan23
#217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Bob Dylan is progressive as progressive as can be and needless to say, batshit-crazy. Of course he was one of the first to speek out in favor of Obamessiah!
Dylan songs and their meanings:
Desolation Row - what the US will look like with an Obama administration.
Blood on the Tracks - the tracks that take us to the re-education camps
Ballad of a Thin Man - about Obama; he's thin, isn't he?
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:44:32pm |
re: #252 CyanSnowHawk
You work with the guys from Spinal Tap? Wow KS, I'm impressed.
No, although one guy does seem to crank his headphones to 11.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:46:05pm |
re: #257 doppelganglander
I've always liked the expression "parlor pink." We should bring that one back, but I think a lot of people don't remember what a parlor is.
I think we need the term back. IMHO, a parlor is a sitting room kept nice for entertaining.
Decades ago, it was replaced with one sitting room for both guests and for the family use on a regular basis: the living room.
But with the rise of the family room, the rooms now still called the "living" rooms in most homes are not for everyday living, but are indeed really parlors - nice rooms for receiving guests.
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de La Valette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:46:10pm |
re: #108 Typicalwhitey
Its the little things that bother me. Someone should be in 07037's grill about having his nametags reversed.
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:46:23pm |
re: #165 Occasional Reader
I hope she stays safe. I can easily see one of the hate-twisted "protesters" assaulting her.
Me too.
Thanks goodness for police.
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gonecamping Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:46:24pm |
re: #211 Sol Roth
What the Hell has happened to us that we accept open displays of hateful, anti-American COMMUNISTS? Why aren't AMERICANS stomping the crap out of these smelly, disgusting slugs? Why aren't the police sticking these vermin in a cage and turning a hose (with some delousing agent) on them?
I can't take this. We have become WAY too permissive of sedition in America. This isn't "free speech."
I don't have the statistics in front of me, but I'd wager that it is the so called 'Peace Demonstrators/ anti war folks" who are violent at demonstrations 98% of the time. Yet they talk about tolerance?
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:46:40pm |
re: #251 Iron Fist
The big fear of an Obama Presidency is Iran. Israel destroyed, and Iran in charge of Saudi and Iraq (at least where the oil is in Iraq) in addition to the Persian Gulf and Iran'sown oil supply. A nuclear Iran could bring all of that about, and Obama promises to be weak enough to allow it.
A collapsed economy will bring that chicken home to roost, and a resurgent Soviet Union would just be icing on the cake, as it were. But, hey, we'd implement the Kyoto Protocol, so the world would love us, right?
It'll take a lot of digging to get out of the hole Obama will dig for us. But then, Obama would count it as a success if fewer people were getting rich. Especially if only the right people were getting rich, while the wrong people (read: the vast majority of us) were getting poorer. Anything to cut our carbon footprint.
You are absolutely right, on all counts.
I'm an incurable optimist (what can I say). Never give up, never give in, fight for right always.
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RememberSekhmet? Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:46:46pm |
re: #206 Son of the Black Dog
Yes, a lot of boomer women joined the infantry during the sexual revolution.
And if they never had kids, they didn't have every square centimeter of their innards gone over with a microscope and Q-tip, which could have caught any harder-to-detect STDs.
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Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:46:46pm |
re: #241 Killian Bundy
Just look at her resume. Seriously, what's not to like?
/and she doesn't have Romney's potential "religion problem" that, unfair as it is, will drive away certain voters
I would really admire to see her as the VP candidate! Her conservative viewpoints would offset the liberal viewpoints of Sen McCain. They should make a good team.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:47:31pm |
re: #256 callahan23
#243 Kosh's Shadow
Just interested, who are they?
If I gave the names, they might be able to figure out who I am. Although while one has seen LGF up on my computer (scrolled down), he still talks to me about politics like he expects me to vote for 0bama. The other doesn't talk politics that much.
They are located in Moonbattachusetts, however.
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Just Another Four-letter Word Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:47:33pm |
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calvin coolidge Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:48:14pm |
Does anyone know if all 57 states are going to be represented at the convention?
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:49:17pm |
re: #270 jcm
I am optomistic. I think McCain is going to beat this empty suit son of a bitch. I don't think it'll be a landslide, and the Democrats may still control both houses of congress, but McCain will be President. Unless he really, really screws it up.
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:49:21pm |
re: #176 jcm
I love it when a plan comes together!
So they chopped down some trees and somehow that's better?
Add to that the solar panels out at DIA that aren't hooked up to anything.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:50:09pm |
re: #266 Silhouette
I think we need the term back. IMHO, a parlor is a sitting room kept nice for entertaining.
Decades ago, it was replaced with one sitting room for both guests and for the family use on a regular basis: the living room.
But with the rise of the family room, the rooms now still called the "living" rooms in most homes are not for everyday living, but are indeed really parlors - nice rooms for receiving guests.
Maybe but as politics has intruded on who I consider friends, there are fewer and fewer "guests". But that is just me.
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Pyrocles Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:50:56pm |
I don't think they missed that referenced, I think they embraced it...
re: #236 galloping granny
I find myself rather surprised that they seem to have missed the "Pink" reference to "Pinko" - a cold war era term for a communist (red) fellow traveler.
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gonecamping Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:50:58pm |
re: #275 calvin coolidge
Does anyone know if all 57 states are going to be represented at the convention?
I do believe that Obama's home state, "The State of Confusion" will be late cause they were not sure where to turn off.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:51:07pm |
re: #276 Iron Fist
I am optomistic. I think McCain is going to beat this empty suit son of a bitch. I don't think it'll be a landslide, and the Democrats may still control both houses of congress, but McCain will be President. Unless he really, really screws it up.
As I mentioned earlier; purely anecdotal, but I've noticed that liberal acquaintances have been trotting out the "Obama can't win because this racist country won't elect him" line quite a lot in the last couple of weeks. I think they're inoculating themselves.
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Bobibutu Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:51:15pm |
re: #276 Iron Fist
I am optomistic. I think McCain is going to beat this empty suit son of a bitch. I don't think it'll be a landslide, and the Democrats may still control both houses of congress, but McCain will be President. Unless he really, really screws it up.
[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
Karl Rove is passing the torch and his weather machine onto Steve Schmidt.
McCain's campaign is now running like a well oiled machine. Thanks to Steve Schmidt.. also known as the Bullet.
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:51:51pm |
re: #276 Iron Fist
I am optomistic. I think McCain is going to beat this empty suit son of a bitch. I don't think it'll be a landslide, and the Democrats may still control both houses of congress, but McCain will be President. Unless he really, really screws it up.
I keep holding on to this opinion as well. The alternative is seriously too deeply frightening.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:52:40pm |
re: #280 gonecamping
I do believe that Obama's home state, "The State of Confusion" will be late cause they were not sure where to turn off.
Thats what happens when you keep turning left.
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callahan23 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:52:49pm |
re: #264 Kosh's Shadow - and
re: #273 Kosh's Shadow
Dylan songs and their meanings: Desolation Row - what the US will look like with an Obama administration. Blood on the Tracks - the tracks that take us to the re-education camps Ballad of a Thin Man - about Obama; he's thin, isn't he?
Just great! Superply analysed.
Moonbattachusetts
LOL
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:53:19pm |
re: #276 Iron Fist
I am optomistic. I think McCain is going to beat this empty suit son of a bitch. I don't think it'll be a landslide, and the Democrats may still control both houses of congress, but McCain will be President. Unless he really, really screws it up.
BHO gets a poll bump coming out of the convention, the bump goes away after the RNCC and their even up to election day. The Ayers, Resko, Alinsky etc... ads take a bite of BHO, BHO and bin Biden have critical gaffes. McCain wins by a larger margin than GWB (but not much).
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Wendya Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:53:23pm |
re: #38 NoSubmission
Gotta love the Healthcare for profit is sick! sign.
So, are doctors and nurses supposed to work for free?
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Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:54:15pm |
re: #287 Wendya
Gotta love the Healthcare for profit is sick! sign.
So, are doctors and nurses supposed to work for free?
Not if you expect to ever get better!
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NoSubmission Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:54:38pm |
re: #269 gonecamping
I don't have the statistics in front of me, but I'd wager that it is the so called 'Peace Demonstrators/ anti war folks" who are violent at demonstrations 98% of the time. Yet they talk about tolerance?
In my experience, that would be 100% of the time.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:54:45pm |
re: #287 Wendya
Gotta love the Healthcare for profit is sick! sign.
So, are doctors and nurses supposed to work for free?
Yeah. That will attract the best and the brightest.
/
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:56:29pm |
Can you just imagine a VP debate between Biden and Palin?
/Ol' Plugs would come across as evil incarnate
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Nancy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:57:38pm |
Whoever thought the Democrat Convention would be this much fun!
Ranks right up there with reality TV shows and pro=wrestling! Highly entertaining.
Although I read that the Recreate 68 are NOT happy and claim they are being treated like "political prisoners" because protests are confined to a specific fenced off area.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:57:40pm |
The hamsters must be groaning.
Coming in just now, the site loaded slow.
And I've still got to get into the earlier threads to see what was posted earlier today.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 25, 2008 12:57:55pm |
re: #237 Pvt Bin Jammin
I grew up within sight of Mt. Wilson, in the San Gabriel Valley.
Now I live in No. California but I have the Towercam page as my default browser opening window so I can keep tabs on my old stomping grounds.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:01:05pm |
re: #287 Wendya
Gotta love the Healthcare for profit is sick! sign.
They're thinking that someone shouldn't profit off of what you genuinely need.
It all ties in to the corresponding opposite belief that those making a profit are tricking people, selling them "junk they don't need."
It is how they can look at someone who forces an unpopular tax through in order to subsidize a local puppet theater that couldn't make it on its own in the free market and call that someone a "public servant" although they are clearly serving a project the public chose against.
Then they look at a man like Sam Walton who made billions and would never think to call him a public servant, although he served up exactly what the public wanted.
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filetandrelease Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:01:24pm |
re: #291 Killian Bundy
Can you just imagine a VP debate between Biden and Palin?
/Ol' Plugs would come across as evil incarnate
Hadn't even thought of that, but what a pleasant thought indeed.
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:02:30pm |
re: #281 Occasional Reader
I don't think race has anything to do with it. I think the right black man (or woman) could win this year, but I don't think Obama is the right one. His Messiah act may be good for firing up the moonbat base, but it is somewhere between creepy and repulsive to the rest of America. Again, this has nothing to do with his race. A white man playing the same schtick would get the same results.
Ronald Reagan didn't portray himself as a god incarnate, and he was the last President to really decisively win the Presidency. Obama's overplayed his hand, and now it's just a matter of McCain shoring up his base (what I meant about McCain fucking it up earlier), and being himself. He'll have to fight for it, but I think he got what it takes to win this election.
Obama doesn't. He's too inexperienced (even he agrees on this; why else did he pick Biden if not to shore up his weakness in experience?) to close the sale. With the media four-square in his court, pushing the meme that what we need is change, voters are still going to ask "Change how?"
Obama can't truthfully answer that question and win, and he can't not answer it at all and win. He's hoping to distract from it, but I don't think that'll work. And he's not a good enough liar to lie about it to the American people and convince enough of them to win.
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:03:08pm |
re: #287 Wendya
Gotta love the Healthcare for profit is sick! sign.
So, are doctors and nurses supposed to work for free?
NO HOPE IN CAPITALISM!
Yeah! Let's all emulate NorKo!
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:03:43pm |
Palin -- huntress, outdoorswoman, lifetime NRA member.
/Ol' Plugs -- people who own guns are scary
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:04:07pm |
re: #292 Nancy
Whoever thought the Democrat Convention would be this much fun!
Ranks right up there with reality TV shows and pro=wrestling! Highly entertaining.
Although I read that the Recreate 68 are NOT happy and claim they are being treated like "political prisoners" because protests are confined to a specific fenced off area.
I'm still waiting for Hill to challenge Barry to Thunderdome.
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galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:04:30pm |
re: #296 Silhouette
They're thinking that someone shouldn't profit off of what you genuinely need.
It all ties in to the corresponding opposite belief that those making a profit are tricking people, selling them "junk they don't need."
It is how they can look at someone who forces an unpopular tax through in order to subsidize a local puppet theater that couldn't make it on its own in the free market and call that someone a "public servant" although they are clearly serving a project the public chose against.
Then they look at a man like Sam Walton who made billions and would never think to call him a public servant, although he served up exactly what the public wanted.
By that rationale, farmers shouldn't make a profit either. If our farmers do not make a profit, then they cannot feed their families. Who, then, will bother to farm?
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unclassifiable Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:04:33pm |
re: #176 jcm
I can think of no better illustration of what an Obama administration will be like.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:06:19pm |
re: #302 galloping granny
By that rationale, farmers shouldn't make a profit either. If our farmers do not make a profit, then they cannot feed their families. Who, then, will bother to farm?
Exactly, but I believe they will start with the grocery stores.
We'll soon be hearing how evil it is that Big Grocery makes a profit off of something as necessary as food.
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Sol Roth Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:06:59pm |
re: #260 Ford_Prefect
I disagree. It is free speech as long as they don't become violent or incite violence. I couldn't disagree with their opinions more, but I would fight for their right to express those opinions, even if they wouldn't.
I equate Communists with mass murderers and history proves the equivalence. That public displays of affection for mass murderers may currently be considered "free speech" doesn't inspire pride in my nation's permissiveness. That an unknown sockpuppet is running on a Marxist platform to gain control of the most powerful military on Earth bothers me more than a little.
Your "fighting to defend their right" is stirring rhetoric. I will never share it in this case since I don't see being a Communist a civil right, nor as free speech. Just so you know, I don't see NAMBLA as having free speech rights either. For me there are limits.
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uncleFuzzy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:06:59pm |
Our elected idiots here in Illinois can't help themselves. It appears that retiring Senate President, Emil Jones (who wants to put his son in his seat, it's an Illinois thing), got a little racial during a discussion about Obama and Clinton. Was that Doubting Thomas or Uncle Tom?
Jones: 'Doubting Thomas not Uncle Tom'
Perfectly illustrating the role of "identity politics" in today's Democrat party is this quote from the President of the NOW Illinois Chapter, “Women in Illinois had that pressure, and it was particularly hard for African-American women who were placed in the untenable position of having to chose between their race and between their gender,” Grabenhofer said.
Here's a tip, Grabenhofer. Vote for the person who shares your ideas, not the one that looks most like you.
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:07:02pm |
re: #287 Wendya
Gotta love the Healthcare for profit is sick! sign.
If we don't have a government health service already, it's only because Hillary was such a bitch. Both sides were ready to pass something in 1993. She's delayed it 15 years so far. It will happen, y'know. Look how broken we are today, can't run an ER, because you have to take all comers, and most never pay. Just so you can buy premium coverage as well, we maintain some market forces. Yeah, it will cost more federal money, but (this is a standard donk argument) most of the money is already in the system, just badly spent. And much of the current system sucks, quality-wise, hospital-errors and such.
Sorry, this is much on my mind these days, some health and insurance and doctor issues, ... 0bambi and 0biden are probably the last ones on the planet to make constructive progress on it anyway. McCain now, ... please, don't shout!
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Cap'n DOC Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:07:12pm |
re: #298 Iron Fist
So... Help me here.
The same crap coming from someone with lighter skin would be seen for the crap it is? Is the color of his skin the bye into the next round? I'm really confused.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:07:52pm |
re: #302 galloping granny
By that rationale, farmers shouldn't make a profit either. If our farmers do not make a profit, then they cannot feed their families. Who, then, will bother to farm?
Ah, but then the Glorious State can set up wonderful farming collectives and send those who can serve the state no other way (lawyers, teachers, professors, etc) to work there.
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Dianna Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:07:57pm |
re: #263 CyanSnowHawk
It's Dapper Squirrel, possibly a lady squirrel, of a highly Marlene Dietricht-type.
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:07:57pm |
OT.......
Cheney visit to Georgia keeps pressure on Russia
CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) — President Bush is dispatching Vice President Dick Cheney to Georgia, the latest burst of political support for an ally reeling from war with Russia.The White House announced Cheney's trip Monday as the administration blasted Russia anew for failing to fully honor a cease-fire deal with Georgia, a former Soviet republic. The administration also chided Russian lawmakers for endorsing independence of Georgia's two breakaway regions, saying its Cold War foe has no authority to make that decision on its own.
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filetandrelease Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:08:20pm |
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:08:38pm |
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:09:22pm |
re: #286 jcm
That's how I see it shaping up. Remember, all John McCain has to do is win the same States George Bush won, and he's President. It'd be nice if he picked up some Blue States, but some of them he's never going to win. California, for example, and New York.
OTOH, Obama's already written off the entire South. Add the small Western States that Bush won, and Obama has to win about everything else to win. That is a daunting task. I don't think he can do it.
That's more than Hope. Obama should have been the Democrat's Reagan. Things aren't nearly as bad as they were coming out of the Carter Administration, but the Media has made it seem like things were awful. Perception is reality, to a lot of voters, and Obama will win all of those.
But that won't be enogh to put him over the top.
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Cap'n DOC Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:09:35pm |
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:09:42pm |
re: #263 CyanSnowHawk
Just noticed your avatar Dianna.
So, is that Secret Squirrel or Mike "Nutcracker" Hammer Squirrel?
The squirrel carries a violin case.... and it doesn't play violin, if you get my drift.
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Vergeltung Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:09:49pm |
re: #306 Sol Roth
I equate Communists with mass murderers and history proves the equivalence. That public displays of affection for mass murderers may currently be considered "free speech" doesn't inspire pride in my nation's permissiveness. That an unknown sockpuppet is running on a Marxist platform to gain control of the most powerful military on Earth bothers me more than a little.
Your "fighting to defend their right" is stirring rhetoric. I will never share it in this case since I don't see being a Communist a civil right, nor as free speech. Just so you know, I don't see NAMBLA as having free speech rights either. For me there are limits.
1,000 updings for that one.
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bosforus Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:10:15pm |
OT - Fun with numbers.
According to my calculations, Jamaica is the actual "winner" of the Olympics (among the top 20 medal winning countries) ...that is, they have the highest Population:Medals ratio. If Jamaica had the population of China, they would have won, statistically speaking, 5220 medals.
(1) Jamaica - 5220 medals
(2) Belarus - 2585 medals
(3) Hugnary - 1320 medals
(4) Netherlands - 1275 medals
(5) UK - 1015 medals
...
(16) USA - 480 medals
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:10:30pm |
re: #294 Ojoe
I'm within sight of it too. Thanks for always linking the towercam. I bookmarked it ages ago.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:11:33pm |
re: #114 Killgore Trout
Democrats to mock McCain's torture in Veitnam....
Convention alert (w/poll): Jangling keys could backfire on Dems
I like how basic human decency is something they "run the risk" of offending because of the "right wing war machine".
Never mind the politics, how about simply that it's an inhuman, disgusting, repugnant, asinine-beyond-belief, shitty thing to do?
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:12:15pm |
re: #276 Iron Fist
I am optomistic. I think McCain is going to beat this empty suit son of a bitch. I don't think it'll be a landslide, and the Democrats may still control both houses of congress, but McCain will be President. Unless he really, really screws it up.
Unfortunately, all it will take is one "senior moment" during one of the debates. Which the MSM will replay endless until the election, while BHO's apparent lack of knowledge of things like history and geography will be glossed over.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:14:18pm |
re: #317 jcm
The squirrel carries a violin case.... and it doesn't play violin, if you get my drift.
And it wears spats.
Very Twenties.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:14:44pm |
McCain/Pailin
/because we need to elect at least one real Republican
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:14:52pm |
re: #264 Kosh's Shadow
Dylan songs and their meanings:
Desolation Row - what the US will look like with an Obama administration.
Blood on the Tracks - the tracks that take us to the re-education camps
Ballad of a Thin Man - about Obama; he's thin, isn't he?
I thought any reference to Obama's physique was racist.
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wolfie Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:15:01pm |
re: #300 Killian Bundy
Palin -- huntress, outdoorswoman, lifetime NRA member.
/Ol' Plugs -- people who own guns are scary
So Biden is bragging about his role in gun control legislation?
I'm beginning to feel a lot better about McCain's chances in Virginia.
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:15:58pm |
Palestinian girl killed during ceremony honoring released prisoners
Balcony collapses on residents of West Bank village celebrating return of three men freed by Israel a gesture to Abbas; 11-year-old girl killed, at least 17 people injured
It's your fault.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:16:59pm |
re: #328 Ben Hur
Palestinian girl killed during ceremony honoring released prisoners
It's your fault.
/no, it's Bush's fault
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:17:19pm |
re: #304 buzzsawmonkey
"Parlor pink" has a number of interesting associations. "Pink," of course, suggests that one is oh-so-delicately tinged with red; "parlor" adds to the air of faux-gentility.
One should, however, also remember that a "parlor" is a house's public room where people gather to "parler," i.e., to talk. So a "parlor pink" also suggests someone who talks a good game but does not really have the courage of his or her own convictions.
Your analysis is excellent. You've explained exactly why I love that expression.
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The Other Les Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:18:02pm |
re: #321 Pawn of the Oppressor
I like how basic human decency is something they "run the risk" of offending because of the "right wing war machine".
Never mind the politics, how about simply that it's an inhuman, disgusting, repugnant, asinine-beyond-belief, shitty thing to do?
Basic human decency is not something you should expect from the enemies of Humanity.
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:18:06pm |
re: #302 galloping granny
By that rationale, farmers shouldn't make a profit either. If our farmers do not make a profit, then they cannot feed their families. Who, then, will bother to farm?
I know! We'll have nonprofit collective farms! That'll cure worldwide hunger.
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Guringo Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:18:27pm |
Why oh why do they allow the moonbats to cover their faces..?
Of course they love dressing up as Che-Guyava commandos, but entering a rally zone should not entail such a privilege as concealing one's identity anymore than wielding a club for crying out loud.
Aside from the hypocrisy of pretending the US is a tyranny where one must protest incognito and the fact that you'll never see the other side stoop to such pathetic displays, public safety alone should warrant such an ordinance and those posers that don't comply should be hauled to jail. As though Seattle never happened...
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:18:35pm |
Death caused by celebrating killers.
This is why we say death cult. At least our pop heros do relatively harmless things like sing or throw a ball. For that, critics of our society call us shallow. Better shallow than evil.
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David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:18:52pm |
re: #305 Silhouette
Exactly, but I believe they will start with the grocery stores.
We'll soon be hearing how evil it is that Big Grocery makes a profit off of something as necessary as food.
If you think the integrated oils' margins are shitty, take a look at grocery stores. Razor thin is the only way to describe them.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:19:21pm |
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:19:23pm |
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Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:19:28pm |
re: #332 Son of the Black Dog
I know! We'll have nonprofit collective farms! That'll cure worldwide hunger.
Worked in Zimbabwe.
/
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:19:28pm |
re: #328 Ben Hur
Palestinian girl killed during ceremony honoring released prisoners
It's your fault.
I have a simple plan to make sure this kind of thing never happens again.
Dont release anymore scum
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:19:58pm |
Uh oh, Stinky's getting "testy"
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WayDownSouthInBama Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:21:13pm |
If Democrats resort to jangling keys in Denver, can Republicans jangle empty suits at their convention?
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:21:14pm |
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The Other Les Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:21:15pm |
re: #337 David Simon
If you think the integrated oils' margins are shitty, take a look at grocery stores. Razor thin is the only way to describe them.
We lost a fairly decent local supermarket chain up here in the Twin Cities because the grocery worker's union got greedy and went on strike.
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:21:49pm |
re: #342 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Uh oh, Stinky's getting "testy"
Mentioning Stinky is getting "testy" will get you some of his lumber up side yo' head! ;-P
How's things pBMb?
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Eyes of Blue Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:21:54pm |
re: #104 Killian Bundy
/and you just know none of these fruitcakes ha a hotel room
Well, the R belongs to the Republican's man, can't have that.
Pass the bong dude.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:22:01pm |
re: #343 WayDownSouthInBama
If Democrats resort to jangling keys in Denver, can Republicans jangle empty suits at their convention?
How does one jangle an empty suit? It makes no noise.
Oh, I know! Fill the pockets with CHANGE.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:22:06pm |
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phoenixgirl Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:22:27pm |
re: #338 MandyManners
mandy, does your son's teacher have the address to send b's brother money?
i'd like to contribute but want to make sure it gets to him
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cblesz Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:22:43pm |
Yahoo news is a freaking joke...just like the rest of them. They write an article about Michelle introducing herself and Barry...at the end it states that the Republicans attacked her for a misspoken comment about not being proud of her country. Eff them and the rest of the MSM...dammit I have had freaking enough!
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The Other Les Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:23:13pm |
re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I have a simple plan to make sure this kind of thing never happens again.
Dont release anymore scum
Only in Islamic occupied Judea can a non-violent act lead to collateral damage.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:23:28pm |
re: #345 The Other Les
We lost a fairly decent local supermarket chain up here in the Twin Cities because the grocery worker's union got greedy and went on strike.
Go Union, collect unemployment.
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debutaunt Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:23:34pm |
re: #345 The Other Les
We lost a fairly decent local supermarket chain up here in the Twin Cities because the grocery worker's union got greedy and went on strike.
Hopefully they were sincere when they said they didn't mean for that to happen.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:23:55pm |
re: #337 David Simon
Logic and facts will mean nothing. Just a few photos of the CEO's house and profit reports juxtapositioned against photos of the hungry.
The thinnest margins I've heard of belong to pharmaceutical wholesalers. They have contracts at Cost Minus. They make up the loss and make a teeny profit on rebates.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:24:35pm |
re: #347 jcm
Mentioning Stinky is getting "testy" will get you some of his lumber up side yo' head! ;-P
How's things pBMb?
That's why I put it in "quotes". Quotes are a talisman to ward off retribu... OW!
... uh ... maybe not.
I'm fine. Off early today, but may have a long one tomorrow. How are your multiple crash projects going, people needing help?
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vagabond trader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:24:40pm |
re: #208 galloping granny
abortion and long term birth control pill use are also suspected culprits.
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:25:07pm |
Remember, having your wife kick off a political convention in front of 10s of thousands in person, and millions on TV, means she's off limits.
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Athos Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:25:38pm |
re: #345 The Other Les
Same thing has happened in other industries as well. Interesting how most lefties and the MSM ignore the pattern.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:25:39pm |
Exclusive: Advance text of Michelle Obama’s speech
Good evening, my fellow Barack Americans!
I am Michelle Obama. (Pause for adulation. Frown at insufficient applause. Wait for more.)
I am just an ordinary working mom from an ordinary town. A “civilian” innocent in the ways of politics. Just like you.
(Well, except for my hard Left thesis-writing skills. And my hard-core Chicago family political ties. And my high-powered, $317,000-a-year affirmative action job. And my role in organizing the Woods Fund panel that Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers and Barack appeared on together.)
Some have referred to me as Obama’s “bitter half.”
But, really, truly, I am so grateful to be here tonight.
(Well, except for all the burdensome sacrifices I have been forced to make throughout this campaign in pursuit of the White House and my victimization at the hands of those wife-beating racist Republicans.)
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caliredst8r Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:25:50pm |
re: #294 Ojoe
Now that I live in Charlotte, NC, I do the same thing. I miss California, but not as much as my wife and daughter do.
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formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:26:40pm |
re: #308 itellu3times
Our society has gone from actually reading a fair analysis from a respected journalist in a newspaper column from decades before, to bought and sold politicians who have usurped their oaths of office for the special interest.
As someone with close to 20 years now in medicine, I can say without any reservation whatsoever, cede more control of the health care system to government, and overall access will diminish.
I see it now.
It will be a disaster. The general public has NO idea what the average person in a Doctor's office spends their day doing just to get a patient treated trying to run through the red tape.
Nationalize the system, and will drive a wedge a mile wide between those who can afford better care, and those on the dole.
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Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:26:41pm |
re: #348 Eyes of Blue
Well, the R belongs to the Republican's man, can't have that.
Pass the bong dude.
Shoot. I thought a police state was what these clowns wanted? Oh, that's right! Their police state, not one they don't control.
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Vergeltung Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:26:48pm |
re: #358 vagabond trader
abortion and long term birth control pill use are also suspected culprits.
Dr. V (me) has always suspected the pill. a recent study also indicated that there was evidence that pill usuage actually scrwed up a female's ability to select a mate best for successful reproduction it was a real interesting read....
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bosforus Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:27:08pm |
re: #94 turn
Hey Charles. I’ve been meaning to ask you about a little problem I’m been having lately when I open LGF. The most recent links spinning icon thingy hourglasses and doesn’t load the links. Plus I can’t log on at the main page, that checking credentials thingy hourglasses too. I have to go to the bottom of the comment thread to log on then everything works fine. I’m using IE.
Similar problem for me. Firefox 3.0.1. I can never login to the main page, I get the never ending time swirl as well. I have to click on the comments link from the main page then login (though I login at the top of the page). Happens with Windows XP and Vista.
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debutaunt Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:27:10pm |
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:27:23pm |
Egypt intelligence chief meets with Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader
Ally in the War of Terror.
It's not like we don't know where they are.
Ridiculous.
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David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:27:34pm |
re: #345 The Other Les
We lost a fairly decent local supermarket chain up here in the Twin Cities because the grocery worker's union got greedy and went on strike.
For every dollar of revenue a grocery store generates, a couple pennies fall to the bottom line (if they're a successful grocery store). Those fucking idiots put themselves out of jobs. I guess they didn't learn from their UAW brothers' mistakes.
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debutaunt Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:27:43pm |
re: #362 caliredst8r
Now that I live in Charlotte, NC, I do the same thing. I miss California, but not as much as my wife and daughter do.
What do they miss?
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Fat Jolly Penguin Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:27:59pm |
re: #366 bosforus
Same thing happens to me. I have kind of a workaround: click on one of the flippy triangles and the page will reload. Suddenly, everything works.
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:28:04pm |
re: #354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Go Union, collect unemployment.
Yeah, that union thing's working out just peachy for the autoworkers.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:28:07pm |
re: #351 phoenixgirl
mandy, does your son's teacher have the address to send b's brother money?
i'd like to contribute but want to make sure it gets to him
That's not The Kid's teacher. It's a woman in Los Angeles.
Here is the link.
[Link: www.laweekly.com...]
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Vergeltung Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:28:22pm |
re: #363 formercorpsman
absolutely. and we have 2 close examples of that pending disaster to look at; Canada and Britain!
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:28:33pm |
re: #357 pre-Boomer Marine brat
That's why I put it in "quotes". Quotes are a talisman to ward off retribu... OW!
... uh ... maybe not.
I'm fine. Off early today, but may have a long one tomorrow. How are your multiple crash projects going, people needing help?
SOP, wait till it blows then fix it!
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galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:28:43pm |
re: #358 vagabond trader
abortion and long term birth control pill use are also suspected culprits.
Gonorrhea is not a suspected culprit. It is long documented as the biggest culprit. Known as "the clap", men usually know when they have it and in men it is easily diagnosed. Not the case with women at all - in fact, quite often missed.
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galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:29:52pm |
re: #363 formercorpsman
Our society has gone from actually reading a fair analysis from a respected journalist in a newspaper column from decades before, to bought and sold politicians who have usurped their oaths of office for the special interest.
As someone with close to 20 years now in medicine, I can say without any reservation whatsoever, cede more control of the health care system to government, and overall access will diminish.
I see it now.
It will be a disaster. The general public has NO idea what the average person in a Doctor's office spends their day doing just to get a patient treated trying to run through the red tape.
Nationalize the system, and will drive a wedge a mile wide between those who can afford better care, and those on the dole.
And most people will have acess only to the government system.
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:29:57pm |
UN: Sudanese forces attack Darfur refugee camp
Ribbons! We need more ribbons!
And T-shirts! Anything to get a whatever-list celeb some free publicity on the backs of massacred Black Africans!
JUST DON'T BOMB.
(shit, forgot)
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debutaunt Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:30:08pm |
re: #369 David Simon
For every dollar of revenue a grocery store generates, a couple pennies fall to the bottom line (if they're a successful grocery store). Those fucking idiots put themselves out of jobs. I guess they didn't learn from their UAW brothers' mistakes.
It sure makes me wonder what the union was actually trying to achieve.
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Guringo Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:30:11pm |
No one's noticed what was on the other side of the Muqtada banner, eh..? I sent this to Charles, but chances are he's too busy... check it out -cheers, -G
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Fat Jolly Penguin Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:31:52pm |
Hey, this from Michelle Malkin: she's an enemy of the people!
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debutaunt Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:31:58pm |
re: #374 caliredst8r
Palm trees and Disneyland...lol
My daughter misses carnitas, dungeness crab and really good sourdough bread.
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bosforus Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:32:25pm |
re: #371 Fat Jolly Penguin
Same thing happens to me. I have kind of a workaround: click on one of the flippy triangles and the page will reload. Suddenly, everything works.
Interesting. Maybe I'll try that next time.
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David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:32:31pm |
re: #356 Silhouette
Logic and facts will mean nothing. Just a few photos of the CEO's house and profit reports juxtapositioned against photos of the hungry.
The thinnest margins I've heard of belong to pharmaceutical wholesalers. They have contracts at Cost Minus. They make up the loss and make a teeny profit on rebates.
I'm not familiar with that line of business, but it doesn't surprise me. If you're a reseller, volume and adroit management are a necessity.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:32:40pm |
re: #373 MandyManners
That's not The Kid's teacher. It's a woman in Los Angeles.
Here is the link.
[Link: www.laweekly.com...]
Thanks very much for that, Mandy.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:32:50pm |
re: #364 Outrider
Shoot. I thought a police state was what these clowns wanted? Oh, that's right! Their police state, not one they don't control.
Indeed. It is hilarious to see those that distrust the government SO completely, are certain that it was involved in mass murder of our own citizens, citizens of Iraq, the torture of innocent olive farmers, and spying on us all, that these same people push for a totalitarian system like communism and for that government to be in charge of their health care.
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:34:00pm |
re: #371 Fat Jolly Penguin
Same thing happens to me. I have kind of a workaround: click on one of the flippy triangles and the page will reload. Suddenly, everything works.
Same workaround works for me.
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kuffar Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:34:09pm |
re: #390 Silhouette
So what else is new. Liberalism is psychotic derangement.
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vagabond trader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:34:20pm |
re: #365 Vergeltung
Yes, I read it, not convinced on that one, but interesting.As for fertility issues, I doubt the medical industrial complex will be doing an honest study anytime soon.
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Athos Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:35:04pm |
re: #363 formercorpsman
Excellent points. Despite the gloss by the MSM, the spin placed on it by the left leaning politicians that seek to expand government control and management of people's daily lives everywhere socialized / nationalized health care has been implemented has resulted in a far more limited and restricted system than available in the free market.
Health care is no different from any other economic market - or even societal condition. Markets and society thrive with limited regulation and controls based around the simple principles of freedom and liberty. Markets and societies that are heavily regulated, without basic freedoms and liberties, and lacking the flexibility that freedom and liberty provide are stagnant failures.
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caliredst8r Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:35:11pm |
re: #386 debutaunt
They also miss El Pollo Loco, Daphne's Greek Cafe, and Claim Jumpers.
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:35:12pm |
re: #381 Ben Hur
UN: Sudanese forces attack Darfur refugee camp
Ribbons! We need more ribbons!
And T-shirts! Anything to get a whatever-list celeb some free publicity on the backs of massacred Black Africans!
JUST DON'T BOMB.
(shit, forgot)
God forbid we use force to stop murder, rape and genocide.
/
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formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:36:14pm |
re: #369 David Simon
BINGO!
All the whining about jobs, "it's the economy stupid" & peoples retirement portfolios losing money is lost on these assholes.
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debutaunt Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:36:23pm |
re: #395 caliredst8r
They also miss El Pollo Loco, Daphne's Greek Cafe, and Claim Jumpers.
El Pollo Loco does have amazingly tasty chicken - yum!
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David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:36:37pm |
re: #382 debutaunt
It sure makes me wonder what the union was actually trying to achieve.
Union members pay them dues. They have to make it look like they're doing something in return.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:37:29pm |
re: #388 David Simon
I'm not familiar with that line of business, but it doesn't surprise me. If you're a reseller, volume and adroit management are a necessity.
Grocery stores and pharm. wholesalers are a lot alike. They neither make it, nor use it, but provide it all in one place.
Can you imagine the paperwork nightmare for the pharmacist if he/she had 150 invoices from each manufacturer? It would be equivalent to going grocery shopping and stopping at the Kraft store, then the Proctor and Gamble store, then Peppridge Farms, then Banquet frozen foods, etc.
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Pyrocles Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:37:32pm |
Grocery stores must really irritate these Leftist types. They're practically capitalist symbols of decadence, abundance, and plenty, literally overflowing with food, much of which will be thrown out and wasted when its shelf-life expires. Oh the humanity!
"So much wealth rubbed in the faces of the poor, as fat Amerikkkans stuff their faces at the expense of farmers in the third world!" /Lefty pessimist
re: #305 Silhouette
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:37:36pm |
re: #395 caliredst8r
They also miss El Pollo Loco, Daphne's Greek Cafe, and Claim Jumpers.
Claim Jumpers is over rated, but I would kill someone for a Golden Corral in San Diego.
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:37:42pm |
DENVER — Nobody's come as far as James Yee to be a delegate to this Democratic National Convention.
Five years ago, Yee, an Army chaplain of Muslim faith, was shackled and tossed into solitary confinement for 76 days because the U.S. government felt — wrongly — that he was a terrorist sympathizer and spy.Now the Olympia man is here, ready to cast his vote as part of the Washington state contingent for Barack Obama.
Here Yee.
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debutaunt Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:38:42pm |
re: #399 David Simon
Union members pay them dues. They have to make it look like they're doing something in return.
I suspect more than that - it is almost suicidal.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:39:16pm |
Here we go, Hillary people are pissed and bolting the Convention because they're not going to allow a proper roll call vote.
/Hey McCain, pick Palin, scoop these people up!
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:39:27pm |
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WrathofG-d Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:40:02pm |
Wow, more freed terrorists...wonder how this is going to turn out.
America supports terrorism.
best friend my a__
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sparrowlake Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:40:18pm |
re: #363 formercorpsman
As someone with close to 20 years now in medicine, I can say without any reservation whatsoever, cede more control of the health care system to government, and overall access will diminish.
Nationalize the system, and will drive a wedge a mile wide between those who can afford better care, and those on the dole.
Maybe the number of doctors should be doubled.
That would increase supply and lower the cost.
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Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:40:41pm |
re: #399 David Simon
Union members pay them dues. They have to make it look like they're doing something in return.
You mean like donating millions to the DNC and liberal causes?
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Dahveed Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:40:45pm |
re: #3 Nevergiveup
I read this and immediately sent money to the GOP. The fact is celebrities are influencing me. They influence me to work harder and donate more to the Republican Party.
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David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:40:55pm |
re: #401 Silhouette
Grocery stores and pharm. wholesalers are a lot alike. They neither make it, nor use it, but provide it all in one place.
Can you imagine the paperwork nightmare for the pharmacist if he/she had 150 invoices from each manufacturer? It would be equivalent to going grocery shopping and stopping at the Kraft store, then the Proctor and Gamble store, then Peppridge Farms, then Banquet frozen foods, etc.
Reminds one of that SNL skit about the Scotch Tape Store.
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Buck Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:40:59pm |
re: #119 jcm
The seniors are feeling frisky these days.
It is VIAGRA to blame!
"The future is paved with Wood" -- Bill Clinton
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:41:12pm |
re: #399 David Simon
Union members pay them dues. They have to make it look like they're doing something in return.
And while the union members lose their jobs, the union bosses, officials, and organizers don't. They just move on to another town and another bunch of suckers.
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Cygnus Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:41:21pm |
re: #177 lawhawk
Speaking of keys, the idiots wanted to go green, so had hotels create wooden keys (don't ask how that is more green than the plastic keys since wood has to come from trees that are raped from the earth, but I digress). Well, everything changed from Day 1. Oh wait. It didn't. The keys didn't work, and the hotels had to issue the plastic keys anyway. So, they not only had to use wooden keys that didn't work, but had to issue the plastic keys.
Epic fail.
Tree butchers!
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:41:50pm |
re: #414 David Simon
Reminds one of that SNL skit about the Scotch Tape Store.
/if it's not Scottish it's crap!
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:43:20pm |
re: #410 WrathofG-d
Wow, more freed terrorists...wonder how this is going to turn out.
America supports terrorism.
best friend my a__
See my #368.
Aren't we (and our allies) supposed to be killing these people?
Are you still in Israel?
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:44:06pm |
For the coal mines, they seem to go on strike every ten years, for about a year. Because the union tells them to. They tell me they love the union because it pay them a salary during that time.
Probably equaly to the amount they put in in dues, minus Union official salaries, of course.
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The Other Les Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:44:18pm |
re: #402 Pyrocles
Grocery stores must really irritate these Leftist types. They're practically capitalist symbols of decadence, abundance, and plenty, literally overflowing with food, much of which will be thrown out and wasted when its shelf-life expires. Oh the humanity!
"So much wealth rubbed in the faces of the poor, as fat Amerikkkans stuff their faces at the expense of farmers in the third world!" /Lefty pessimist
This is a little old but I'll post it anyway:
The Green Left Weekly whines about "The Nightmare of Food."
Who suffers most? “Poverty. Class. Income. Over and over, these emerge as the key determinants of obesity and weight-related disease,” Critser says. He is no socialist though, and Marx doesn’t get so much as a mention in the book (Critser actually has a swipe at what he calls the “self-proclaimed ‘progressive left’”). His final chapter, on combating the epidemic, is the weakest in the book, and doesn’t go far beyond advocating better education and stronger parental control over diet and exercise. Still, despite its limitations, Critser’s book could very usefully be read by all socialists and all parents: he does us a great service in painting a vivid picture of the lurid world of McDonald's, Pizza Hut, Coca Cola, and their partners in corporate crimes against human well-being.
If someone, in the time before the birth of Karl Marx, stood up on an old crate at a street corner in London, Paris, or Berlin, and tried to describe a world where food was plentiful and affordable to the working classes as "a nightmare" or in any other was as evil, he would dragged away to an insane asylum if he was lucky.
The Left, whenever it has gained unrestrained power as in Soviet Russia, Red China, North Korea, and Rouge Kampuchea, has enforced poverty and starvation and in some cases has seized or destroyed local food supplies as a means of killing off resisting populations.
Lefties...feh!
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David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:44:20pm |
re: #412 Outrider
You mean like donating millions to the DNC and liberal causes?
lol. Yep that they do. And now they have a candidate who proclaims that unions are a way to return America to its former greatness (or something like that; I paraphrase).
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WrathofG-d Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:44:31pm |
re: #419 Ben Hur
OY. Between your article and mine...I can only imagine where this is going.
So typical.
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Cygnus Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:44:49pm |
re: #199 jcm
No chalk drawings then. How sad.
It did rain like crazy yesterday!
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goddessoftheclassroom Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:46:15pm |
re: #424 Cygnus
No chalk drawings then. How sad.
It did rain like crazy yesterday!
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cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:46:18pm |
re: #420 Silhouette
For the coal mines, they seem to go on strike every ten years, for about a year. Because the union tells them to. They tell me they love the union because it pay them a salary during that time.
Probably equaly to the amount they put in in dues, minus Union official salaries, of course.
Just like the people who like to have more taxes withheld because then, they get a great big check from the IRS every year!
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David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:46:29pm |
re: #416 Son of the Black Dog
And while the union members lose their jobs, the union bosses, officials, and organizers don't. They just move on to another town and another bunch of suckers.
They're wearing out their welcome, but not nearly fast enough.
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Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:47:09pm |
re: #416 Son of the Black Dog
And while the union members lose their jobs, the union bosses, officials, and organizers don't. They just move on to another town and another bunch of suckers.
Ever wonder why union emloyees (secretaries, etc) aren't union? And why the unions hire day laborers from the streets to do the picketing? That was specifically the case here when they were picketing Publix for years because the employees refused to go union.
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littleO Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:47:12pm |
Why do Repups have problems clarifying their positions? The dihm's for a generation have lived off the "wealth envy" strategy. Now they have been able to make an issue off how many homes how many homes and condo's Cindy Mccain's conglomerant owns.
The answer is that the tax laws are written, not to protect the rich,but rather, to act as an agent to increase opportunities for all.
Whats the latest on russia vs georgia? Anything good?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:47:16pm |
re: #426 goddessoftheclassroom
ARF ARF ARF ARF
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:47:40pm |
Am I reading this right?
/they're going to trot out Carter tonight?
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:48:35pm |
re: #432 Killian Bundy
Am I reading this right?
/they're going to trot out Carter tonight?
The vaudeville formula is "Start with a joke, end with a song."
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:48:55pm |
re: #432 Killian Bundy
Am I reading this right?
/they're going to trot out Carter tonight?
Carter has the trots?
How fitting.
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Cygnus Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:48:58pm |
re: #220 Just Another Four-letter Word
If Inflated Scrotum Guy is going to show there, then the Circus really IS in town!
JAFLW
It might not be safe. Since Denver is a mile high and the air pressure is less than San Fran,...well,....
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Wendya Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:49:06pm |
re: #308 itellu3times
If we don't have a government health service already, it's only because Hillary was such a bitch. Both sides were ready to pass something in 1993.
I'm sure we'll get it eventually. There are far too many people who believe they are entitled to medical care on someone else's dime. For now, I'll stick with my high deductible catastrophic policy and my HSA. I have no desire to pay for people who don't give a shit about their own health.
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formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:49:11pm |
re: #380 galloping granny
To some degree, yes.
The scenario to unfold will be:
There is no way for the government nationalize health care without doing one of two things. That would be to cut reimbursement or raise taxes, or most likely, both.
First think about it this way. One of the largest financial sectors in our markets is health care. Start limiting reimbursement, it will have a negative effect on that sector of the economy. As well, health & human services is already the largest expenditure of the federal budget, whoever implements such bureaucracy realizes, being on the hook for that tax hike will not see anything close to a second term.
What you have left, is what has been happening all along. They will decrease the amount of money they reimburse now, to people actually delivering the damn service, and put the profit margin solely on their backs.
This will subsequently limit access, because it will not be worth the while of anyone working in this field to be motivated to give more care, let alone go to school for upwards of 15 years to become a specialist.
Sorry for long rant, I could go on for days.
Mark my words, it will be a disaster.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:49:25pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:49:33pm |
re: #402 Pyrocles
Grocery stores must really irritate these Leftist types. They're practically capitalist symbols of decadence, abundance, and plenty, literally overflowing with food, much of which will be thrown out and wasted when its shelf-life expires. Oh the humanity!
"So much wealth rubbed in the faces of the poor, as fat Amerikkkans stuff their faces at the expense of farmers in the third world!" /Lefty pessimist
Plus, leftists think they have a right to free stuff.
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WrathofG-d Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:49:49pm |
re: #433 Silhouette
This world is so upside down its no longer funny. Both sides are so corrupted and cruising without any sort of moral compass. Nothing really makes sense to me anymore
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:50:32pm |
re: #309 Cap'n DOC
The color of his skin gets him 90%+ of the Black vote, and that is huge in the Democratic Primaries. That's only about 10% of the vote, though, when it comes to the General Election. Likewise, a lot of white Democrats want to vote for a black man (or, presumably woman) out of white guilt. Again, though, these are a minority of Democratic voters. Combined, this is a sizable percentage of the 35% or so of the Population that will always vote Democrat. These are the people that vote in the Primaries, so in a sense being black is a huge leg up in the Primary. It was enough to beat Hillary Clinton in the Primaries, but only barely.
And Obama still hasn't closed the deal with those Hillary voters. Polls indicate that a sizable minority of them may indeed vote for John McCain rather than Barack Obama. This is really bad news for Obama.
After two terms of Republican rule, the Democrat base is very energized, very driven to win. I think that is why Obama's BS snowed so many of them for so long. They wanted to believe. Add that to the color of his skin and what that buys him with the Democrat base, and I think you can explain the Barack Obama campaign to date and why he's the nominee.
That's all politics within the Democratic base. That doesn't translate into strong numbers in the General Election. Barack Obama won slightly over 50% of 35% of the vote. He's got to reach out to the roughly 30% of the voters who actually determine the election, the swing vote (roughly 35% of the vote goes Republican no matter what, too. 35+35=70%, leaving about a 30% swing). Obama will get some of this, but probably not based on skin color. He's already won all the vote he can on skin color alone.
So in a sense it gave him a path to the Nomination, but I don't really believe that it will win him the Presidency. He's going to have to do that on the merits of his arguements. That doesn't look so rosy, at least right now.
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talon_262 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:50:39pm |
re: #434 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Carter has the trots?
How fitting.
Especially when he has so many fits of diarrhea of the mouth...
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:52:02pm |
re: #433 Silhouette
The vaudeville formula is "Start with a joke, end with a song."
So Tony Rezko's gonna deliver the last speech?
/sing like a canary
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galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:52:11pm |
re: #411 sparrowlake
Maybe the number of doctors should be doubled.
That would increase supply and lower the cost.
I had an interesting discussion with one of my daughters yesterday. The rather large corporation that she works for has so much work that nearly everyone is working 30 hours a week overtime. They can't easily expand the space that they operate from, so I asked her if they were considering starting a third shift. She told me they were not even considering that because by the time you added up the cost of extra supervisors, extra managers, extra security guards, and all of the insurance and benefits for a new third shift, they would lose money hand over fist. Cheaper to pay the employees they have to work 30 hours a week overtime.
What does that have to do with doubling the supply of doctors? Every doctor has to have a support staff - extra nurses, extra medical assistants, extra secretarial and billing staff. All those people require training and training in some fields - like nursing - is limited and not readily increased.
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formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:52:12pm |
re: #394 Athos
All I can say, and continue to say, is that it will be a massive problem.
The regular family with regular jobs, and regular benefits have no idea what it will do to them.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:52:29pm |
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Cygnus Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:52:32pm |
re: #290 Ford_Prefect
Yeah. That will attract the best and the brightest.
/
Isn't Dr. Kevorkian out of a job right now?
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:52:36pm |
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cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:52:50pm |
re: #437 formercorpsman
Yeah but how do you argue with people who talk about how "they've lived in Europe and the health care is great and everyone can get it for free..."
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:53:09pm |
re: #424 Cygnus
No chalk drawings then. How sad.
It did rain like crazy yesterday!
My favorite part is Mayor Nickels plan for winning votes.
Two residents cars parked in front of their own homes!
Pure genius!
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:53:12pm |
On national health care. My HR person (not a moonbat) said that we still had to supply private health care when we opened a London office, because the national health service is so bad we wouldn't get anyone to work for us. So England has a two-tier system. Lousy for the poor and those who can't get it from their employers, and good for everyone else.
We'll end up with the same here, but the good tier might be too expensive for anyone but the 5 million and up rich.
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The Other Les Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:53:13pm |
re: #437 formercorpsman
They don't care whether you (or your child) lives or dies as long as they get to rule over you.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:53:27pm |
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:53:49pm |
re: #442 Iron Fist
Likewise, a lot of white Democrats want to vote for a black man (or, presumably woman) out of white guilt. Again, though, these are a minority of Democratic voters.
I'm not so sure about that. In my informal polling, 100% of Obama supporters have mentioned his race in the first 1 or 2 reasons as why they are voting for him.
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:54:15pm |
re: #323 Son of the Black Dog
That's true. Or McCain could decide to pick Joe Lieberman as his VP and tell the base to piss off. McCain could still lose it, but I think it is his to lose. I didn't feel that way a couple of months ago.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:55:31pm |
Oh boy, here comes the taxes doublespeak.
/we're going to screw you like a lightbulb and you'll damn well enjoy socialism
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:55:36pm |
re: #456 Silhouette
I'm not so sure about that. In my informal polling, 100% of Obama supporters have mentioned his race in the first 1 or 2 reasons as why they are voting for him.
I refuse to vote for a 50% whitey! All those evil Imperialist Oppressor DNA just lying in wait.
/
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offendi Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:55:52pm |
re: #7 MandyManners
I wonder if he'll play "Born in the U.S.A" which really is NOT a patriotic song.
Jon is a New Jersey guy which means in my opinion the odors from refineries and toxic dumps along the Turnpike have affected his brain.
Plus, also in my opinion, the band's stuff has sucked since his big hair days. Obama is " Livin' On a Prayer". Heh, heh.
BTW, the only people that get excited over Bruce Springsteen are over 45, sorry to say.
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Cap'n DOC Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:56:39pm |
re: #442 Iron Fist
Okay. I think I understand the argument now. It might have been a lack of reading comprehension skills on my part that led me to believe there was some bias against him because of the skin color. His politics are so whacked out I'd not vote for him anyway, but I've always considered myself an independent w/o party affiliation. I choose based on the non-discriminatory merit system.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:56:39pm |
re: #460 offendi
Is there something wrong with people over 45?
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debutaunt Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:57:03pm |
re: #427 cliffster
Just like the people who like to have more taxes withheld because then, they get a great big check from the IRS every year!
I just makes no sense.
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formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:57:34pm |
re: #411 sparrowlake
I work in orthopaedics.
Funny thing, is that now, just being an orthopaedic surgeon is not enough.
Most sub-specialize.
4 years undergrad. 4 years medical school. (most waiting to pick up a residency will do 1-2 years internship) 5 years of orthopaedic residency. If then you want sports medicine or total joints, another 1-2 years in fellowship.
The average salary of an orthoapedic surgeon is half of what it was 20 years ago.
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galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:57:55pm |
re: #437 formercorpsman
To some degree, yes.
The scenario to unfold will be:
There is no way for the government nationalize health care without doing one of two things. That would be to cut reimbursement or raise taxes, or most likely, both.First think about it this way. One of the largest financial sectors in our markets is health care. Start limiting reimbursement, it will have a negative effect on that sector of the economy. As well, health & human services is already the largest expenditure of the federal budget, whoever implements such bureaucracy realizes, being on the hook for that tax hike will not see anything close to a second term.
What you have left, is what has been happening all along. They will decrease the amount of money they reimburse now, to people actually delivering the damn service, and put the profit margin solely on their backs.
This will subsequently limit access, because it will not be worth the while of anyone working in this field to be motivated to give more care, let alone go to school for upwards of 15 years to become a specialist.
Sorry for long rant, I could go on for days.
Mark my words, it will be a disaster.
I agree with you wholeheartedly and could go on for a few days myself. Already we are seeing large numbers of doctors leaving the profession because of malpractice insurance rates and horrendously slow reimbursements. Try getting an OB-GYN in some parts of the country.
We are also seeing physicians who no longer accept insurance at all. Cash - period.
Socialized medicine is nothing new. It is the norm in every country in Europe, Russia, China, Cuba, Canada. In every single case it is a disaster. Those who are wealthy get the easiest access at home and have the money to go wherever they must for treatment. And then there is everyone else. Folks that think that ER waits are lengthy here because of all the "uninsured" should take a long hard gander at wait times under socialized medicine.
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:58:05pm |
re: #463 cliffster
Is there something wrong with people over 45?
Duh, weren't you reading? They like Springsteen.
/;-)
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jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:58:12pm |
re: #450 cliffster
Yeah but how do you argue with people who talk about how "they've lived in Europe and the health care is great and everyone can get it for free..."
Involuntary euthanasia in Netherlands.
Worse, the Groningen hospital, after which the protocol is named, has already begun to administer the procedure, even without formal legal sanction. To date, Dutch prosecutors have refused to step in. Hey, if we can get rid of society's "deadwood," why let niceties of law or morality get in the way?
[snip]
In fact, the Groningen philosophy is one in which the patient's life becomes disposable when the quality of that life drops below a certain threshold, and when its maintenance becomes inconvenient to the patient's kin or the state.
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formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:58:21pm |
re: #450 cliffster
Trust me, get prostate cancer in Europe.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:58:43pm |
re: #450 cliffster
Yeah but how do you argue with people who talk about how "they've lived in Europe and the health care is great and everyone can get it for free..."
For England, see my 452. For France, they pay a huge tax rate; we'll never get that much passed here. Average tax rate in France; I believe this covers all taxes, is 48% for the average wage earner. Reference is here
So ask how much they pay in tax here (average 30%) and tell them how much more it will go up. Free? My ass.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:59:24pm |
Hey, asshole, you want to pay more taxes? The IRS accepts checks!
/damn I am sick of these people
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Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:59:31pm |
re: #468 jcm
and when its maintenance becomes inconvenient to the patient's kin or the state.
That is the most evil thing I've read all year.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 1:59:33pm |
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Cygnus Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:00:05pm |
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rawmuse Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:00:15pm |
re: #334 Guringo
Why oh why do they allow the moonbats to cover their faces..?
I like it when they cover their faces. It lets me know which ones will be violent.
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:01:12pm |
re: #440 WrathofG-d
This world is so upside down its no longer funny. Both sides are so corrupted and cruising without any sort of moral compass. Nothing really makes sense to me anymore
Have you considered a relationship with J..
Forget it.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:01:17pm |
re: #476 rawmuse
I like it when they cover their faces. It lets me know which ones will be violent.
The ones with their faces covered look like they're about to rob a train in an old Western. Too bad they're unarmed.
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offendi Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:01:48pm |
re: #442 Iron Fist
The reality is that the entrenched African-American political class won't kill themselves to generate votes for Obama. The election of Obama makes the argument we are post-racial and for the dismantling of the racial " grievance" machine that gives them their power. That is why Hillary Clinton was their candidate of choice.
They will work Obama for possible benefits if he is elected but will not push the pedal to the medal for him in the fall.
An old white man as President in 2009 really works for them, as well as Hillary in 2012.
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Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:02:05pm |
re: #456 Silhouette
That's part of my point. Obama voters are just barely a majority of Democratic voters. A nearly equal number of voters voted for Hillary Clinton, and a large percentage of them voted for her because she's a woman. Those are both subsets of the hardcore Democrat voters who actually vote in Primaries. I think in both cases they've just about maxed out on the people who will vote for them for demographic reasons.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:02:13pm |
Too bad, Teddy won't be speaking in person.
/although I hear the Oldsmobile will be prominently displayed during the tribute
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Wendya Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:02:27pm |
re: #453 The Other Les
They don't care whether you (or your child) lives or dies as long as they get to rule over you.
They despise the concept of the individual.
They hate people who use initiative and drive to make money.
They abhor the concept of personal responsibility.
People who succeed remind them of how completely inadequate and worthless they are so they must be destroyed.
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formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:02:28pm |
re: #466 galloping granny
The hospitals will shut the E.R. down.
I've seen it happen.
You can't expect your employees to work for nothing.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:02:32pm |
OH NOES!
Now the enviroweenies are going to have to come out against wind power.
Wind Turbines Give Bats the "Bends," Study Finds
Scientists aren't sure why, but bats are attracted to the turbines, which often stand 300 feet (90 meters) high and sport 200-foot (60-meter) blades.
The mammals' curiosity can result in lethal blows by the rotors, which spin at a rate of about 160 miles (260 kilometers) per hour.
But scientist Erin Baerwald and colleagues report that only about half of the bat corpses they found near Alberta, Canada, turbine bases showed any physical evidence of being hit by a blade.
A surprising 90 percent showed signs of internal hemorrhaging—evidence of a drop in air pressure near the blades that causes fatal damage to the bats' lungs.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:02:56pm |
Howard Dean is opening the DNC convention now.
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WrathofG-d Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:03:02pm |
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offendi Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:03:16pm |
re: #463 cliffster
Naw, just that the press portrays Bruce as having sway over the "yuts" of the country. They don't listen to Bruce's music by and large.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:03:30pm |
re: #471 Kosh's Shadow
Doesn't seem to faze them. The "we just flat out don't have the money to do that" argument is met with blank stares. I've also pointed out that the best and brightest come to the USA because they can actually get paid here; ask the question of why people come to the states if they need a new heart of a tumor removed. Answer: it's acceptable for the rich to be denied access to the extremely high quality of care they now get, in order for those without insurance to get good health care. Blarghh
| 491 |
jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:03:35pm |
re: #473 Silhouette
That is the most evil thing I've read all year.
Or Peter Singer (Princeton Medical Ethicist) advocating infanticide up to 2 years of the child is inconvenient or imperfect.
Gee, Grandma we really need the money for our vacation.....
*EVIL*
| 492 |
debutaunt Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:03:42pm |
re: #450 cliffster
Yeah but how do you argue with people who talk about how "they've lived in Europe and the health care is great and everyone can get it for free..."
Oooooooo - free lunch too! Why'd they leave?
| 493 |
sheepdog Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:03:56pm |
O.T. Watching Howard Dean open the Dem convention.....got my piuke bucket close by
| 494 |
WrathofG-d Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:04:13pm |
re: #477 Ben Hur
do, do, do, do, do, do, do, dooooo, do, do, do, do, do, do, doo, dooooooo x2 J...
/doobies
| 495 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:04:23pm |
re: #445 galloping granny
Heck were all having trouble finding both Nurses & Doc's
| 497 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:04:25pm |
re: #469 formercorpsman
Trust me, get prostate cancer in Europe.
Can you elaborate on that? I mean that in all seriousness.. I want all the talking points I can get.
| 498 |
Wendya Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:04:33pm |
re: #471 Kosh's Shadow
So ask how much they pay in tax here (average 30%) and tell them how much more it will go up. Free? My ass.
I imagine they'll try to swing it so the bottom half of the population pays minimal taxes....kind of like today....while the rest of us get screwed and then told to shut up.
| 499 |
Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:04:47pm |
re: #493 sheepdog
O.T. Watching Howard Dean open the Dem convention.....got my piuke bucket close by
BYAH!
| 500 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:04:48pm |
Oh look, it's Howard Dean!
/c'mon, give us a scream just for old time's sake
| 501 |
Iron Fist Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:05:04pm |
re: #462 Cap'n DOC
I think that if/when he loses a lot of people and talking heads will blame it on the color of his skin. I just don't think that'll be the reason he loses. There are, as you have noted, pleanty of reasons that have nothing to do with the color of his skin to vote against him.
| 503 |
Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:05:21pm |
re: #484 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm just glad the lightbulb wasn't invented recently. It would be banned immediately for its role in the destruction of innocent moths.
| 506 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:05:49pm |
Biden goes for BBQ in Denver.
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]
Are they going to let us know when these guys take a shit?
| 507 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:05:59pm |
Quiet now.
/they're reciting the Bonkey Creed
| 508 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:06:02pm |
re: #497 cliffster
re: #469 formercorpsman
Trust me, get prostate cancer in Europe.
Can you elaborate on that? I mean that in all seriousness.. I want all the talking points I can get.
It sounds like pretty lousy advice to me...
| 509 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:06:08pm |
re: #496 buzzsawmonkey
Mean feet, little feet.
Not so much over your head, as swirling around in my own.
Homer Simpson moment my friend.
| 510 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:06:19pm |
re: #491 jcm
Maybe Peter should just remove himself instead.
Yet I know he won't. )-:
| 511 |
jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:06:22pm |
re: #484 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
BAN KILLER WINDMILLS!
Debate on Calif. windmills turns toward bird safety
Conservationists suing to limit 'killer turbines'
By Bobby Caina Calvan, Globe Correspondent | February 22, 2004
ALTAMONT PASS, Calif. -- The first of thousands of giant windmills began sprouting atop this landscape two decades ago. The rolling hills and canyons seemed the ideal place for harnessing the breezes that sweep inland from San Francisco Bay.But mounting evidence shows otherwise, according to wildlife activists who say scores of golden eagles and hundreds of other raptors -- lured to the area by a bounty of prey -- are falling victim each year to the whirring blades of so-called killer turbines.
| 512 |
WrathofG-d Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:06:25pm |
re: #502 buzzsawmonkey
ha! no way. he will be running for President of "Balestine" soon. No vesties for him.
| 513 |
Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:06:37pm |
re: #487 WrathofG-d
Something to consider the next time you hear from a "post-Zionism", pro-"Palestinian" Jew.
Davis said he plans to follow the laws of Islam, but not devoutly.
Ah good, so he leaves himself open for beheading due to failure to follow Allah's will.
| 514 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:06:47pm |
re: #507 Killian Bundy
Quiet now.
/they're reciting the Bonkey Creed
"We believe in the Obama
the Maker of Heaven and Earth
of all that is seen and unseen..."
| 515 |
markie Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:06:56pm |
re: #10 Killian Bundy
Hot pro-life mother of five Governor and lifetime NRA member.
/hey McCain, you listening, what's not to like?
She'd absolutely hate the east coast...
| 516 |
David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:06:59pm |
One other point to make about health care: there is no crisis. If 47 million people in this country are uninsured, that means over a quarter of a billion people have health insurance. And taking a closer look at the uninsured, roughly a third are illegal aliens, and another third qualify for medicaid and are either too lazy or too stupid to fill out the paperwork. Some crisis.
| 519 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:07:13pm |
re: #498 Wendya
I imagine they'll try to swing it so the bottom half of the population pays minimal taxes....kind of like today....while the rest of us get screwed and then told to shut up.
Point out that they will get screwed, unless they're poor now. Who always gets socked? The poor have no money, the rich have tax shelters; the rest of us pay. And we'll pay more.
But then, most people aren't rational, or a lot of products wouldn't sell.
| 520 |
Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:07:29pm |
re: #507 Killian Bundy
Quiet now.
/they're reciting the Bonkey Creed
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me!
| 521 |
Just Another Four-letter Word Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:07:40pm |
re: #435 Cygnus
It might not be safe. Since Denver is a mile high and the air pressure is less than San Fran,...well,....
OY! Pass the Brain Bleach, please!
Bleeeeeeech!
JAFLW
| 522 |
Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:07:46pm |
re: #491 jcm
Gee, Grandma we really need the money for our vacation...
At least the tens of thousands of French that let their parents die of the heat because they trusted the State to take care of them while they themselves went on holiday didn't know that Grandma was going to die.
| 523 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:07:55pm |
| 524 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:08:00pm |
| 527 |
jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:08:21pm |
re: #507 Killian Bundy
Quiet now.
/they're reciting the Bonkey Creed
From each according to their ability; to each according to their need.
| 528 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:08:26pm |
| 529 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:08:30pm |
re: #508 Occasional Reader
It sounds like pretty lousy advice to me...
hahahahahahaha! ha! ha! ha! ha! haaa... aaahhhhh...... that was funny.
| 530 |
debutaunt Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:08:50pm |
re: #497 cliffster
Can you elaborate on that? I mean that in all seriousness.. I want all the talking points I can get.
There must be a reason (excessive taxation) they left all that nifty free medical care.
| 531 |
WrathofG-d Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:08:51pm |
re: #525 buzzsawmonkey
I wonder if some stayed behind at the airport to look for Charles.
| 532 |
Alouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:08:55pm |
re: #487 WrathofG-d
Something to consider the next time you hear from a "post-Zionism", pro-"Palestinian" Jew.
He's no longer "useful," now he's just an idiot.
| 533 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:09:03pm |
OMG, the Pledge of Allegiance!
/spray them with Holy Water!
| 535 |
sparrowlake Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:09:14pm |
re: #437 formercorpsman
What is the current average income of an orthopedic surgeon - around $400,000.00?
The supply has been artificially suppressed by graduating/admitting too few doctors, nurses and other paramedics. Increase the supply dramatically by importing qualified foreigners and doubling the number of medical/nursing/pharmacy schools. That will lower the price/cost of medical services substantially.
Of course this will mean much lower incomes for doctors and other health professionals.
What other rational solution is there?
| 536 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:09:20pm |
re: #511 jcm
JCM.. the funny part. Calif has such a power problem as it is.
| 537 |
littleO Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:09:30pm |
If you want to insure the defeat of national heath care, demand that all politicians and bureaurats have to have it!
| 538 |
Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:09:34pm |
re: #533 Killian Bundy
OMG, the Pledge of Allegiance!
/spray them with Holy Water!
OMFG! FASCISTS! IMPERIALISTS!
| 539 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:09:39pm |
re: #517 buzzsawmonkey
Your kidding ,Right?
Please, say your kidding?
| 541 |
WrathofG-d Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:10:13pm |
re: #538 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Does a pledge of allegence to the U.S. flag threaten Obama's world citizenship?
| 542 |
Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:10:17pm |
re: #533 Killian Bundy
OMG, the Pledge of Allegiance!
/spray them with Holy Water!
Did they say "Under God?"
| 543 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:10:21pm |
re: #535 sparrowlake
What other rational solution is there?
Tort reform = lower insurance costs for docs = savings passed on to you!
| 544 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:10:24pm |
re: #525 buzzsawmonkey
I wonder whether there will be a Moonbat Mile High Club for the protesters who get it on while in Denver.
Any single female moonbats who need a place to stay, email me. I'm at 6100 feet. Can get you much higher.
| 545 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:10:25pm |
re: #508 Occasional Reader
My point being, the protocols for treatment in Europe, and other places are much different than what we have here.
Most abroad are from a bureaucratic level.
Ours are from groups of specialists looking at the dating, and holding to their oath.
Free is great. Your kid has a tummy ache, free chewable tylenol, excellent.
Get really sick, and free is what you get. Free from getting any care.
From the onset of formal diagnosis, there are suggestions for initiating care in reflection of survivability percentages.
What might be 2 weeks here, can easily be 4 months if you are lucky over there.
That is huge when factoring in success.
| 546 |
Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:10:56pm |
re: #536 Dustoff-507
JCM.. the funny part. Calif has such a power problem as it is.
Nothing a few nuke plants and offshore drilling and refineries couldn't fix.
YOU HEAR ME BOXER, FEINSTEIN, AND PELOSI!
| 547 |
jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:11:22pm |
re: #536 Dustoff-507
JCM.. the funny part. Calif has such a power problem as it is.
Did you see Mayor Nickelbags first car free day was a bust?
Towed the cars of residents on the street, more traffic cops than participants.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
| 549 |
Golem Akbar Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:11:42pm |
re: #513 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Ah good, so he leaves himself open for beheading due to failure to follow Allah's will.
An honest self-hating Jew takes a logical step...just short of suicide (the ultimate act of self-hatred).
| 550 |
wrenchwench Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:11:47pm |
re: #528 Occasional Reader
Me, I'm in favor of MORE large, whirling blades scattered about our landscape. It'll keep us on our toes.
Thank you, Don Quixote.
| 552 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:12:02pm |
Okay, opening prayer, Pledge of Allegiance, and the National Anthem.
/well, now they can all stop pretending and get busy with the work of Satan
| 553 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:12:06pm |
| 555 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:12:13pm |
re: #545 formercorpsman
My point being
Yes, yes, I know, it's just that "get prostate cancer in Europe" sounded kind of funny as a piece of advice.
| 556 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:12:28pm |
re: #546 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Naaaa, they have ear plugs
| 557 |
Cygnus Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:12:37pm |
re: #514 Occasional Reader
"We believe in the Obama
the Maker of Heaven and Earth
of all that is seen and unseen..."
"Credo in unum Obama..."
/The 'traditional' liberal Catholic version
| 558 |
vagabond trader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:12:44pm |
This past weekend I tried to explain to my moonbat friend why I find it offensive for the government to mandate that our taxes be sent to corrupt foreign regimes in the name of curing global poverty. She counters with the tedious "Bush spent blah blah in Iraq that could have helped our own poor." Then she proceeds to brag that she sends HER OWN money to support some kids in Africa, completely forgetting about the poor kids here that she just mentioned.Unbelievable.
| 559 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:12:52pm |
re: #543 Occasional Reader
Tort reform = lower insurance costs for docs = savings passed on to you!
Yeah but then how is John Edwards going to be able to afford his hush money?
"Looks like ambulances aren't the only thing John Edwards is chasing"
- Coulter
| 560 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:12:55pm |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
Any single female moonbats who need a place to stay, email me. I'm at 6100 feet. Can get you much higher.
You SLUT!
LOL!
| 561 |
rawmuse Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:12:56pm |
re: #507 Killian Bundy
Quiet now.
/they're reciting the Bonkey Creed
"Dude, I am so WASTED!"
/where's your car, dude?
| 562 |
Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:13:10pm |
re: #555 Occasional Reader
Yes, yes, I know, it's just that "get prostate cancer in Europe" sounded kind of funny as a piece of advice.
I thought it was the EU's latest as campaign aimed at increasing US tourism.
| 563 |
jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:13:11pm |
re: #546 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Nothing a few nuke plants and offshore drilling and refineries couldn't fix.
YOU HEAR ME BOXER, FEINSTEIN, AND PELOSI!
Going back to CA forcing the utilities to sell generating plants so they utilities didn't have a source to consumer monopoly, worked really well didn't it, the next summer was the big crisis!
| 565 |
galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:13:49pm |
re: #495 Dustoff-507
Heck were all having trouble finding both Nurses & Doc's
That we are. Our doctors have so much red tape to wade through they are often hard put to actually practice medicine at all. And often what they are allowed to do for a patient depends not on the judgement of the doctor but the dictates of the insurance company.
Nursing is a bit of a different problem. The next time that you see a "nurse" wearing a name tag that give her the title "nursing staff" rather than RN, it is likely because the facility uses mostly people who have 6 weeks nurse's aide training - or even no medical training at all. It has become the norm in many facilities for there to be but one real nurse per shift on a given ward, mostly there to shuffle paperwork and take legal responsibility. Why pay a real nurse $25 - 30 an hour when you can pay "nursing staff" $10? Meanwhile, most of our schools of nursing have closed their doors. Nurse's training is very hard to come by in most states.
| 566 |
The Other Les Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:13:57pm |
I'm tired.
Taking a nap. (From the poor, of course.)
Bye.
| 568 |
Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:14:16pm |
re: #516 David Simon
Remember, the Progressives love crises, whether natural or maufactured. Without them, they can never get the public's attention and impose their will upon them. Thus, the Progressives will make a mountain out of flat ground.
| 569 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:14:23pm |
| 570 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:14:48pm |
re: #560 reloadingisnotahobby
You SLUT!
LOL!
I'm blushing. Thanks for the compliment!
Walter in Golden, Co.
| 571 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:14:53pm |
re: #559 cliffster
I always wondered who that little guy was that was chasing my rig. LOL
| 572 |
FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:15:06pm |
reports coming in... KOA saying the protesting was all but non-existent.
| 573 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:15:16pm |
re: #545 formercorpsman
That's what I'm looking for. Let's say, they discover 90% blockage in your heart and you need bypass surgery? How likely are you to get it? How long will it take? Or yeah, in the case of cancer where it's really important to get it asap...
| 574 |
Wendya Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:15:21pm |
re: #533 Killian Bundy
OMG, the Pledge of Allegiance!
/spray them with Holy Water!
I'm watching in on the DNCC website....and they're being very careful about actually showing the delegates.
Don't want to show them picking their noses when the kiddies are singing the National Anthem.
| 576 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:15:40pm |
re: #537 littleO
Yeah, see how much of an emergency Barbara Mikulski's ingrown toenails really are.
| 577 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:15:47pm |
re: #568 Honorary Yooper
Remember, the Progressives love crises, whether natural or maufactured. Without them, they can never get the public's attention and impose their will upon them. Thus, the Progressives will make a mountain out of flat ground.
"The worse, the better", as the Bolsheviks used to say.
| 578 |
Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:16:03pm |
re: #575 buzzsawmonkey
Well, European prostate cancer is much more sophisticated than the crass American kind.
Smaller too.
| 579 |
David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:16:29pm |
re: #519 Kosh's Shadow
The poor have no money, the rich have tax shelters; the rest of us pay.
The rich pay way more than anybody else.
| 581 |
sparrowlake Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:16:34pm |
re: #543 Occasional Reader
Tort reform = lower insurance costs for docs = savings passed on to you!
IMO that is screwing the victims to acheive a half-assed bandaid solution. It has been tried in many jurisdictions in the field of torts involving automobiles, and insurance premiums have not gone down much if at all while insurance company profits have soared.
| 582 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:16:48pm |
re: #575 buzzsawmonkey
Well, European prostate cancer is much more sophisticated than the crass American kind.
Do you know what they call a quarter-pound prostate tumor in Europe? A "Royale with Cheese". Because of the metric system.
| 583 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:16:51pm |
re: #565 galloping granny
Believe me I know..... Seen this for years and even for me as a medic. All my paper work is in triple. Then loaded to a computer.
| 585 |
Throbert McGee Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:17:08pm |
re: #90 MandyManners
Also about The Villages....
A gynecologist at The Villages community near Orlando, Fla., said she treats more cases of herpes and the human papilloma virus in the retirement community than she did in the city of Miami.
SNIP
Erm... not to throw cold water on the ssssexy "swingin' seniors" angle, but isn't it possible that some of these patients have had latent cases of herpes and/or HPV for decades, and they're simply becoming symptomatic because their immune systems have gotten a bit weaker with age?
| 586 |
vagabond trader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:17:34pm |
re: #565 galloping granny
Granny, another big problem is the fact that about twenty years ago the powers that be thought it would be a great idea to get rid of LPNs in the acute care setting. Also 3 year diploma nurses, trained onsite at teaching hospitals.Some of the finest nurses I ever worked with treated like garbage. That is when I left nursing.
| 587 |
FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:17:38pm |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
Any single female moonbats who need a place to stay, email me. I'm at 6100 feet. Can get you much higher.
Are you nuts?
I hope you are stocked up on various anti-biotics and anti-fungicides.
| 588 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:17:44pm |
re: #554 buzzsawmonkey
Well ...Areodinamics would be a problem !
Hold up a widow screen in a high wind and you'll get my point!
It's not solid,but it will knock you on your......Tukis?
The structure for the Wind turbine would have to be the size of a small highrise building per turbine!
| 589 |
wrenchwench Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:17:53pm |
| 590 |
nikis-knight Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:18:11pm |
re: #533 Killian Bundy
OMG, the Pledge of Allegiance!
/spray them with
HolyBottled Water!
Fixed it for you.
| 591 |
Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:18:24pm |
re: #585 Throbert McGee
Erm... not to throw cold water on the ssssexy "swingin' seniors" angle, but isn't it possible that some of these patients have had latent cases of herpes and/or HPV for decades, and they're simply becoming symptomatic because their immune systems have gotten a bit weaker with age?
We'll have none of you "facts" or "logic" here Mister!
/
| 592 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:18:26pm |
re: #535 sparrowlake
understand different regions command different salaries.
In PA, say about half of your quote.
I know some guys who are struggling.
Sounds stupid I know.
But seriously, for the same work as 10 years ago the reimbursements have gone down. Overhead is way up.
I know many who have uprooted and moved.
| 593 |
Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:18:49pm |
re: #572 FrogMarch
reports coming in... KOA saying the protesting was all but non-existent.
Kampgrounds of America?
| 594 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:19:02pm |
re: #584 rawmuse
Meanwhile, Cheney goes to Georgia.
There's a good Charlie Daniels joke in there somewhere..
| 596 |
vxbush Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:19:19pm |
re: #586 vagabond trader
Granny, another big problem is the fact that about twenty years ago the powers that be thought it would be a great idea to get rid of LPNs in the acute care setting. Also 3 year diploma nurses, trained onsite at teaching hospitals.Some of the finest nurses I ever worked with treated like garbage. That is when I left nursing.
We have a really good set of nursing programs in Peoria and Normal, IL. For now.
| 598 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:19:26pm |
re: #587 FrogMarch
Are you nuts?
I hope you are stocked up on various anti-biotics and anti-fungicides.
SARAN WRAP.
| 600 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:20:07pm |
re: #585 Throbert McGee
Why are you raining on our "hot senior-on-senior action!" parade?
| 602 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:20:42pm |
re: #595 buzzsawmonkey
Somebody upthread noted there was a feature covering Biden eating barbeque.
What happened to all that healthy food with no transfats that was going to be shoved down the conventioneers' throats? Once again, one law for the Inner Party and another for the ordinary Party members, just as in 1984.
I noted that. The DNC backed off of the healthy food thing because it was almost impossible for the caterers to comply with all the rules.
| 603 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:20:57pm |
Just flipped on the TV and there are some rabid yelling Hillary supporters holding up signs behind Chrissy Matthews.
It's hillarious!
Chuck Todd is blaming Hillary Clinton for the mess saying that she ceated the problem by continuing to run after it was impossible to get the nomination.
LOL LOL LOL
| 605 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:20:59pm |
| 606 |
littleO Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:21:04pm |
re 486 kilgore trout:
Smart to get dean out of the way when no one is watching!
| 607 |
FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:21:16pm |
re: #593 Silhouette
Kampgrounds of America?
oops -
Koa radio.
sounds like they are talking to stephanopolis
| 608 |
offendi Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:21:31pm |
I would think the Obama candidacy is all about George Soros' desire to taking a strong position in the Russian and Chinese markets.
You think Obama is going to cause an upturn here ?
| 609 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:21:41pm |
| 610 |
FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:21:47pm |
re: #603 loppyd
Just flipped on the TV and there are some rabid yelling Hillary supporters holding up signs behind Chrissy Matthews.
It's hillarious!
Chuck Todd is blaming Hillary Clinton for the mess saying that she ceated the problem by continuing to run after it was impossible to get the nomination.
LOL LOL LOL
Delicious!
| 611 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:21:57pm |
re: #602 Walter L. Newton
I noted that. The DNC backed off of the healthy food thing because it was almost impossible for the caterers to comply with all the rules.
Maybe they could recycle all those unusable wooden key cards into some form of edible mulch?
| 612 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:22:01pm |
| 614 |
Fat Jolly Penguin Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:22:20pm |
re: #603 loppyd
Just flipped on the TV and there are some rabid yelling Hillary supporters holding up signs behind Chrissy Matthews.
It's hillarious!
Chuck Todd is blaming Hillary Clinton for the mess saying that she ceated the problem by continuing to run after it was impossible to get the nomination.
LOL LOL LOL
Operation Chaos lives on...
| 615 |
David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:22:39pm |
re: #568 Honorary Yooper
Remember, the Progressives love crises, whether natural or maufactured. Without them, they can never get the public's attention and impose their will upon them. Thus, the Progressives will make a mountain out of flat ground.
Yes, and that's why removing people from the federal income tax rolls is a bad idea. It's easy for vote-whoring politicians to promise people more and more shit when the people they're pandering to know it isn't going to cost them anything.
| 616 |
FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:23:11pm |
| 618 |
Ben Hur Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:23:22pm |
re: #602 Walter L. Newton
I noted that. The DNC backed off of the healthy food thing because it was almost impossible for the caterers to comply with all the rules.
Meanlingless.
What's important that it was reported that they would do it.
That's all people will remember, so they don't have to do it.
BBL.
| 620 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:23:34pm |
re: #597 formercorpsman
Just look, it is out there.
Yes, but I am lazy and was hoping you would save me the trouble. :^)
Interestingly, when people talk about how much our system sucks, it is with regards to the biggies that come up - cancer, heart problems, knee replacements, etc. And how people who aren't insured don't get access to it. But then when they give an example of how great it is in Europe, they say "I went to the doctor and didn't have to fill out any forms or anything.. just went in and they didn't charge me anything" But this is apples and oranges and you would think anyone with half a brain would see that.
| 621 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:23:45pm |
Will Michelle Obama wear a giant Cheney puppet head?
/no, really, the crowd would go wild
| 622 |
vxbush Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:23:48pm |
re: #602 Walter L. Newton
I noted that. The DNC backed off of the healthy food thing because it was almost impossible for the caterers to comply with all the rules.
Always with the rules, these Democrats. And this is showing the world in microcosm what they do in office.
| 623 |
FrogMarch Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:23:59pm |
| 624 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:24:21pm |
re: #609 formercorpsman
Well I love one of Bill Clintons rules for all medical pro.
That really messed it up for my other FF & medics (no-talk on AIDS)
| 625 |
Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:24:49pm |
re: #602 Walter L. Newton
I noted that. The DNC backed off of the healthy food thing because it was almost impossible for the caterers to comply with all the rules.
But once again, they tried.
And what's really important is that they had healthy intentions, and that matters more than results.
Sure, those evil trans-fat eating Rethuglicans will tell you that "they knew all along it was impractical and that is why they didn't even TRY to have all health foods" (that and that Rethugilicans have a real knot in the panties about enforcing correct behavior, what's up with that anyway?) but we know they really secretly want their delegates to eat the fatty food because they're all in the pocket of Big Diet.
| 626 |
galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:25:20pm |
re: #586 vagabond trader
Granny, another big problem is the fact that about twenty years ago the powers that be thought it would be a great idea to get rid of LPNs in the acute care setting. Also 3 year diploma nurses, trained onsite at teaching hospitals.Some of the finest nurses I ever worked with treated like garbage. That is when I left nursing.
Yup - though that is not the case in every state. So now, instead of an LPN or diploma RN providing care, we have people parading around as "nursing staff" that have literally 6 weeks of "education" in the medical field.
| 627 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:25:51pm |
re: #601 buzzsawmonkey
Yupp ,There's a hole in most everything I say!
Ask my wife!
Really,covered turbines would kill more birds than uncovered!
They either make it thru.. or stuck in the "guard"dead.
Causing alot of drag...
I sound heartless ,I know!
LOL
| 628 |
sparrowlake Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:26:08pm |
re: #592 formercorpsman
But seriously, for the same work as 10 years ago the reimbursements have gone down. Overhead is way up.
I know many who have uprooted and moved.
They should move - that would decrease the supply and raise the incomes for those who remain, unless the fees are being kept artificially low in certain areas.
| 629 |
galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:26:12pm |
re: #603 loppyd
Just flipped on the TV and there are some rabid yelling Hillary supporters holding up signs behind Chrissy Matthews.
It's hillarious!
Chuck Todd is blaming Hillary Clinton for the mess saying that she ceated the problem by continuing to run after it was impossible to get the nomination.
LOL LOL LOL
What channel?
| 630 |
Athos Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:26:24pm |
re: #525 buzzsawmonkey
I wonder whether there will be a Moonbat Mile High Club for the protesters who get it on while in Denver.
You actually think that they are going to stop trying to 'eff the country in order to 'eff each other?
| 631 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:26:39pm |
re: #626 galloping granny
We don't have that problem in WA state. Just not enough Nurses. )-:
| 632 |
Wendya Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:26:41pm |
Anyone else think the stage at the convention looks like something out of Las Vegas in the 70's?
| 633 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:27:16pm |
re: #619 buzzsawmonkey
That's OK, Obama is continuing to run after it's impossible for him to be elected.
Because racist AmeriKKKa will never elect him!
/I'm tellin' ya, the liberals are already consoling themselves with this myth, it's delicious to watch
| 634 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:27:22pm |
re: #603 loppyd
Those same people who chastise her for staying in the race would have been chiding her for abandoning her supporters if she'd dropped out. Look at her, quitting after all those people made donations to her campaign! Ridiculous. Although, it is fun to watch her suffer at the hands of the very same people that have been coddling her all these years before 2008.
| 636 |
littleO Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:28:20pm |
re 557: cygnus
Now, thats just wrong!
You go say three Our Fathers and three Hail Marys!
| 637 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:28:22pm |
re: #630 Athos
You actually think that they are going to stop trying to 'eff the country in order to 'eff each other?
Plus, I think the entire human race's Weekly Sex Quota was probably used up in the Olympic Village the night before the games closed.
| 638 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:28:26pm |
I'm going to take a nap. I'm going to watch Sweeney Todd tonight. It's about politicians being chopped up and put into meat pies.
"Those down below above devourering those up above."
Walter in Golden, Co.
BBL
| 639 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:28:27pm |
re: #579 David Simon
The rich pay way more than anybody else.
I've seen all sorts of statistics, but never the one I really want to see.
I hear that the top n% families pay m% of the taxes, and it is much more than n%. What I don't hear is what percentage of the US income those families make.
If the top 10% make, say 30% of the income, but pay 20% of the taxes, they probably pay too little; if they pay 50% of the taxes, then they probably pay too much.
And both sides have statistics to make their point.
I'm beginning to think that the numbers aren't as outrageous as both sides say.
In any case, I will say that most of us do get socked, and will really get it with national health care. If for no other reason than we'll pay in our taxes, but we won't get raises to cover it, or to cover what we're actually getting now in company-paid insurance. We'll get the same pay, but with higher taxes (if the French model is at all correct, our burden would go from 30% to at least 40% and possibly 50%)
| 640 |
galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:28:42pm |
re: #624 Dustoff-507
Well I love one of Bill Clintons rules for all medical pro.
That really messed it up for my other FF & medics (no-talk on AIDS)
One of the things that PO's me the most about the AIDS regulations is that if you are diagnosed with any other STD, then your husband or wife will be informed, tested and treated. In the case of AIDS, the medical provider is specifically not allowed to tell your spouse.
| 641 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:28:43pm |
re: #620 cliffster
[Link: www.cato.org...]
[Link: www.cato.org...]
[Link: www.gmu.edu...]
[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]
| 642 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:29:09pm |
[Expletive deleted], this Convention isn't even a day old and it's already a total comical farce.
/they parody themselves, it's way too easy
| 643 |
Athos Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:29:13pm |
re: #633 Occasional Reader
/I'm tellin' ya, the liberals are already consoling themselves with this myth, it's delicious to watch
And the more they seethe, the angrier they get, the more radical and distant from the American mainstream and values they nominate. They just do not get it.
| 644 |
Bagua Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:29:23pm |
Could someone please tell me how to submit a link to the link-viewer or direct me to the faq if there is one.
Thanks
| 645 |
galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:29:29pm |
re: #632 Wendya
Anyone else think the stage at the convention looks like something out of Las Vegas in the 70's?
The eleven year old wanted to know where the Red, White and Blue was and why they were throwing a rock concert. I kid you not. She was in shock over it.
| 646 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:29:38pm |
I misquoted. It should be...
"Those down below devourering those up above."
| 647 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:29:41pm |
re: #624 Dustoff-507
Cover your ass.
As well, you want to examine the biggest way to ask the same question 5 different ways?
FMLA form.
| 648 |
WrathofG-d Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:29:48pm |
Has the next President of the United States......Joe Biden come out yet?
| 650 |
Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:30:16pm |
re: #648 WrathofG-d
Has the next President of the United States......Joe Biden come out yet?
Biden his time?
| 651 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:30:21pm |
re: #638 Walter L. Newton
Don't forget to put your offer on Craigslist.
| 652 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:30:49pm |
re: #598 Walter L. Newton
SARAN WRAP.
Why do I envision the scene in one of the Naked Gun movies with the body-size condoms?
| 653 |
vagabond trader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:30:51pm |
re: #626 galloping granny
Oh yes, worked with a few of those know alls. A disaster indeed.Whenever we have had the misfortune of being in the hospital as patients I always demand a private room and to be cared for by licensed personel.
| 654 |
Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:31:02pm |
re: #627 reloadingisnotahobby
Yupp ,There's a hole in most everything I say!
Ask my wife!
Really,covered turbines would kill more birds than uncovered!
They either make it thru.. or stuck in the "guard"dead.
Causing alot of drag...
I sound heartless ,I know!
LOL
Wouldn't covered turbines "steal the wind" so to speak rendering the turbines ineffective?
| 655 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:31:05pm |
| 656 |
Athos Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:31:24pm |
re: #635 buzzsawmonkey
Oh, well probably see a Denver version of the Folsom St. Fair - but even for the rest of the radicals......they're too busy seething and strutting to perform.
| 657 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:31:26pm |
re: #648 WrathofG-d
Has the next President of the United States......Joe Biden come out yet?
He'll be carried in on one hand, by Barack America.
| 658 |
callahan23 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:31:35pm |
re: #635 buzzsawmonkey
Come on now; half-clad demonstrators, hormones running amok from raging against the machine? They'll be rutting like spawning toads in the springtime as soon as the sun goes down.
That's exactly what will be happening. Seen it often enough. And it's not a nice sight at that, believe me! Yuck
| 659 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:31:44pm |
re: #651 formercorpsman
Don't forget to put your offer on Craigslist.
I actually saw offers of that nature on Craigslist (yea, I know, I troll Craigslist, the trailer park of opinions), both way. Women coming into town offering a hook up for accomadations and vice versus.
| 660 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:32:04pm |
re: #640 galloping granny
I can't even tell my fire fighters or medics even if I'm treating someone who has it... NUTS!
I 've had some who were covered in blood and so were we.
I really hate Clinton, by the way!
| 661 |
galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:32:05pm |
re: #631 Dustoff-507
We don't have that problem in WA state. Just not enough Nurses. )-:
I don't know Dustoff. You have some "physicians assistants" out there so poorly trained I wouldn't let them touch my dog. Worked with one a while back that couldn't tell dirty urine from a UTI, so she treated every single woman who walked in her door with the biggest antibiotic guns in the arsenal. Usually repeatedly.
| 662 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:32:09pm |
| 663 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:33:10pm |
re: #634 cliffster
Those same people who chastise her for staying in the race would have been chiding her for abandoning her supporters if she'd dropped out. Look at her, quitting after all those people made donations to her campaign! Ridiculous. Although, it is fun to watch her suffer at the hands of the very same people that have been coddling her all these years before 2008.
It is quite satisfying that's for sure.
| 664 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:33:19pm |
re: #654 Outrider
Wouldn't covered turbines "steal the wind" so to speak rendering the turbines ineffective?
You should put them underground, so they don't hurt any wildlife.
| 665 |
sparrowlake Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:33:27pm |
re: #635 buzzsawmonkey
Come on now; half-clad demonstrators, hormones running amok from raging against the machine? They'll be rutting like spawning toads in the springtime as soon as the sun goes down.
That would be riveting.
| 666 |
Son of the Black Dog Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:33:37pm |
re: #442 Iron Fist
Combined, this is a sizable percentage of the 35% or so of the Population that will always vote Democrat.
IMHO, a considerable number of those 35% are going to be precisely the people who won't vote for BHO solely because he is black. There's a large overlap between yellow dog democrats and bigots.
| 667 |
galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:33:41pm |
| 668 |
Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:33:50pm |
re: #639 Kosh's Shadow
I've seen all sorts of statistics, but never the one I really want to see.
I hear that the top n% families pay m% of the taxes, and it is much more than n%. What I don't hear is what percentage of the US income those families make.
If the top 10% make, say 30% of the income, but pay 20% of the taxes, they probably pay too little; if they pay 50% of the taxes, then they probably pay too much.
And both sides have statistics to make their point.
I'm beginning to think that the numbers aren't as outrageous as both sides say.In any case, I will say that most of us do get socked, and will really get it with national health care. If for no other reason than we'll pay in our taxes, but we won't get raises to cover it, or to cover what we're actually getting now in company-paid insurance. We'll get the same pay, but with higher taxes (if the French model is at all correct, our burden would go from 30% to at least 40% and possibly 50%)
I'm just curious when it became the governments responsibility to provide medical coverage for everyone.
| 669 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:34:03pm |
re: #664 cliffster
You should put them underground, so they don't hurt any wildlife.
Just like I did with my solar panels!
| 671 |
Athos Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:34:15pm |
| 672 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:34:40pm |
re: #665 sparrowlake
That would be riveting.
What a raw deal. Downtown Denver gets moonbat sluts and Golden get Al-Jazeera.
| 673 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:35:07pm |
| 674 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:35:17pm |
re: #654 Outrider
Ah... In short,yes!
Un ubstructed blades are with out a doubt the only effecient
method.
They could have researched migatory paterns a little better!
Oh, and also...let people that excersize they're second ammendment rights to eliminate the rodent/pests.
Believe me the hawks and the eagles will find all they need down the road!
| 675 |
jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:35:31pm |
re: #660 Dustoff-507
I can't even tell my fire fighters or medics even if I'm treating someone who has it... NUTS!
I 've had some who were covered in blood and so were we.
I really hate Clinton, by the way!
Did you catch that one last summer at Harborview? Criminal was brought in for treatment, due to manpower cops decided to leave him. Harborview released him and said it couldn't notify PD because of HIPA.
| 676 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:35:43pm |
re: #667 galloping granny
My television would explode if I subjected it to MSNBC.
Totally understand.
I like to watch them eat their own, though.
| 677 |
Dianna Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:35:47pm |
re: #668 Outrider
I'm just curious when it became the governments responsibility to provide medical coverage for everyone.
You are not alone on that point of curiousity. Of course, I've been wondering when charity became an entitlement for a long time.
| 678 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:36:07pm |
Wow, Megyn Kelly looks stunning in white.
/pretty bold color choice considering the crowd there
| 679 |
Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:36:29pm |
re: #664 cliffster
You should put them underground, so they don't hurt any wildlife.
What about snails, worms, lizards, etc... Especially lizards?
| 680 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:36:33pm |
re: #671 Athos
Stop, you're making Chris Matthews' leg tingle again......
He's close to orgasmic over the Teddy K appearance tonight...
| 681 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:36:39pm |
re: #669 Occasional Reader
When I was wroking at the National Renewable Energy Lab, I was sitting with some scientists at a company function.
I suggested that they invent "downspout generators" so every time it rains, we can generated a few watts of electricity.
They didn't find any humor in that.
| 682 |
galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:36:45pm |
re: #668 Outrider
I'm just curious when it became the governments responsibility to provide medical coverage for everyone.
I think you have to go back to the 70s when the government started managing how many hospital beds were available in any given community ----------> many hospital closures, including most of those run by churches. That is also about the same time that medical insurance became common and just a few years after Medicare was put in place in the 60s.
| 683 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:37:19pm |
re: #675 jcm
DO I ever........ Arrrrrrrrr I have many friends at Prov & Harborview.
| 684 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:37:31pm |
re: #628 sparrowlake
It is all about the decreasing reimbursement.
As well, it is the insurance companies also.
Think about it this way.
We do quite a bit of viscosupplementation knee injections. The product for inject is pretty expensive, but we have an increasing population of baby boomers with arthritis becoming a problem.
Let's say the material costs us $175.00 per syringe.
We might make $10.00 profit on the product, and another $35.00 - $50.00 on the actual service of the injection.
Factor in the carrying costs for each syringe of this stuff, and it adds up.
Now, do 100 per week, have the insurance company reject 20 of the claims for bogus reasons, pay your office staff to run around trying to rectify the rejections, and pretty soon, you have lost any profitability on the service.
I could go on, and on, and on.
| 685 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:37:45pm |
| 686 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:37:48pm |
| 688 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:39:21pm |
Speaking of MSNBC:
Is this old news? If so, I apologize for I have been in a cone of silence all afternoon....
Tom Brokaw:
"I think Keith has gone too far. I think Chris has gone too far," the veteran NBC newsman said at a forum sponsored by Harvard's Shorenstein press center. But Brokaw said that they are "commentators" and "not the only voices" on MSNBC and that viewers could sort it out.
| 689 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:39:50pm |
| 690 |
sparrowlake Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:39:50pm |
re: #672 Walter L. Newton
re: #665 sparrowlake
That would be riveting.
What a raw deal. Downtown Denver gets moonbat sluts and Golden get Al-Jazeera.
rivet.......rivet.......rivet
| 691 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:39:52pm |
re: #659 Walter L. Newton
Yeah, but you can get some really good deals on there.
I wrangled some drop ceiling grid for some ridiculous price.
Saved huge money.
| 692 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:39:54pm |
re: #684 formercorpsman
but we have an increasing population of baby boomers with arthritis becoming a problem.
==============================
Hey not me buddy! Now my back is another story... LOL
| 693 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:40:09pm |
re: #687 buzzsawmonkey
Every time it rains, it rains
Wattage from heaven
Don't you know each cloud contains
Wattage from heaven
You'll find illumination
All over town
But when the sun comes out
You'll cut to brown
etc.
You're either a master at lyrics or on some really good shit. I'm a writer, and I can spin a story out of nothing pretty quickly, but you are amazing with the song lyrics.
| 694 |
Dahveed Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:40:14pm |
Kudos to the ADL. They got this one right~
ADL Condemns Madonna's Use of Hitler in Concert Photo Montage
New York, NY, August 25, 2008 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today condemned as “inappropriate and offensive” the use by Madonna of an image of Hitler as part of a concert photo montage that also included photos of John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, and Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe.
The images were projected on a screen as Madonna launched her world tour with a live concert in Cardiff, Wales.
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor, issued the following statement:
Comparisons to Hitler have no place in a music concert, or in the presidential campaign.
Whatever Madonna’s political or personal views, it is outrageous to invoke Nazi imagery in the context of John McCain’s candidacy or to make a comment on American political leadership.
It is inappropriate and offensive to compare any current or former world leaders with the man ultimately responsible for the death of six million Jews and the suffering of countless others during the Holocaust. Doing so trivializes the history of the Holocaust and is an insult to the memories of the victims and their families.
| 695 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:41:31pm |
re: #694 Dahveed
That woman went off the deep end a LONG time ago!
| 696 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:41:45pm |
re: #688 loppyd
Speaking of MSNBC:
Is this old news? If so, I apologize for I have been in a cone of silence all afternoon....
Tom Brokaw:
It has been reported earlier today, and I am as sure that Olberman and Chris will take the criticism to heart and change as I am that The Yankees will catch the Rays?
| 697 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:42:07pm |
More from the "We Heart Ourselves Media Forum" yesterday:
CBS's Bob Schieffer defended the media's reluctance to cover John Edwards's extramarital affair, saying Edwards's candidacy was over and "I don't see that we have time to be fooling with this."
But ABC's George Stephanopoulos noted that "the level of the coverup here was kind of astonishing," and Brokaw expressed concern about this question: "What if it had been Mitt Romney? Would the press have gone after that story more aggressively?"
| 699 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:42:18pm |
re: #694 Dahveed
Doing so trivializes the history of the Holocaust and is an insult to the memories of the victims and their families.
Not to mention trivializing the sacrifices McCain made
| 700 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:42:25pm |
| 701 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:42:27pm |
re: #691 formercorpsman
Yeah, but you can get some really good deals on there.
I wrangled some drop ceiling grid for some ridiculous price.
Saved huge money.
Oh, I love Craigslist. But the opinion and personal sections are really trailer trash. I know, take it from an expert on dating Craigslist ladies.
And yes, you can find some really good deals on the items for sale sections. I furnished 3/4 of my apartment from Craigslist.
| 702 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:42:44pm |
re: #661 galloping granny
Actually, I agree, and I fall into that classification.
There is no substitute for actual on the job training under a good instructor.
Classroom time & clinic is not enough to be set free with that amount of responsibility.
| 703 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:42:46pm |
| 704 |
sparrowlake Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:42:59pm |
re: #684 formercorpsman
It is all about the decreasing reimbursement.
As well, it is the insurance companies also.
Think about it this way.
We do quite a bit of viscosupplementation knee injections. The product for inject is pretty expensive, but we have an increasing population of baby boomers with arthritis becoming a problem.
Let's say the material costs us $175.00 per syringe.
We might make $10.00 profit on the product, and another $35.00 - $50.00 on the actual service of the injection.
Factor in the carrying costs for each syringe of this stuff, and it adds up.
Now, do 100 per week, have the insurance company reject 20 of the claims for bogus reasons, pay your office staff to run around trying to rectify the rejections, and pretty soon, you have lost any profitability on the service.
I could go on, and on, and on.
Sounds like you've got a system that is about as bad or worse as the Canadian model, at least from the doctor's perspective.
| 705 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:43:14pm |
re: #694 Dahveed
I'll bet the McCain camp are happy as clams at high tide that Madonna did that. It'll feed right into their next "Celebrity" ad.
Keep self-destructing, loony left.
| 707 |
Dahveed Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:43:34pm |
re: #695 Dustoff-507
That woman went off the deep end a LONG time ago!
No doubt about that. She is particularly vile in this case since she wants to be considered relevant when she is nothing more than a bad entertainer.
| 708 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:44:31pm |
re: #706 formercorpsman
DUDE, that's just wrong in SO many ways. LOL
| 709 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:44:52pm |
re: #696 Nevergiveup
It has been reported earlier today, and I am as sure that Olberman and Chris will take the criticism to heart and change as I am that The Yankees will catch the Rays?
I watched Morning Joe today and it seemed to me that the panel was less in the tank than usual.
Perhaps NBC News President Steve Capus is tired of defending the goons over at MSNBC...
| 710 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:44:55pm |
re: #705 Occasional Reader
I'll bet the McCain camp are happy as clams at high tide that Madonna did that. It'll feed right into their next "Celebrity" ad.
Keep self-destructing, loony left.
I am sure, but how incredibly stupid is Madonna and her people? I mean, when will these jackasses ever learn?
| 711 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:44:57pm |
re: #704 sparrowlake
Not a doctor.
PA, solely orthopaedics in all of my time.
Pretty much do all the same stuff, minus as much liability, and I am the second set of hands in surgery, not the primary.
| 712 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:45:05pm |
re: #707 Dahveed
Bad entertianer?
Your too kind!
She's a HO!
A rich HO,but still a ho!
| 714 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:45:32pm |
Is it just me, or does anyone see Kennedy's appearance tonight a sort of "dead man walking" kind of stunt to get more attention?
| 715 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:45:52pm |
re: #709 loppyd
I watched Morning Joe today and it seemed to me that the panel was less in the tank than usual.
Perhaps NBC News President Steve Capus is tired of defending the goons over at MSNBC...
So does that mean you think the Yankees will catch the Sox and the Rays?
| 716 |
RememberSekhmet? Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:46:11pm |
re: #639 Kosh's Shadow
The problem is, when politicians try to "soak the rich," the difference between someone who makes $400,000 a year income from trust funds and $400,000 a year from a salary becomes very plain. In short, the first guy shifts his assets to avoid the new taxes. The second guy, who needs his money closer to hand, is left holding the bag at that bracket.
All the politicians' figuring for what they planned to with the new tax income was based on being able to get their hands on the incomes of people who, like my first example, could easily shift their money out of the way. The deficit has to be made up somewhere, so the tax burden gets redoubled on productive people like my second example. This discourages productive people from pursuing further economic productivity.
| 717 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:46:13pm |
re: #668 Outrider
I'm just curious when it became the governments responsibility to provide medical coverage for everyone.
I don't think it is - I think it will be a disaster. But we got sidetracked in discussing the tax burden on different groups.
| 718 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:46:35pm |
| 719 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:46:52pm |
| 720 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:47:00pm |
re: #714 Walter L. Newton
Is it just me, or does anyone see Kennedy's appearance tonight a sort of "dead man walking" kind of stunt to get more attention?
Yes
| 721 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:47:03pm |
re: #715 Nevergiveup
So does that mean you think the Yankees will catch the Sox and the Rays?
NEVAH!
| 722 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:47:07pm |
re: #701 Walter L. Newton
Paging Buzz.
There is a song somewhere in the Craigslist ladies.
Walter, I am crying from laughter with your post.
awesome.
| 723 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:47:27pm |
re: #714 Walter L. Newton
Is it just me, or does anyone see Kennedy's appearance tonight a sort of "dead man walking" kind of stunt to get more attention?
Gee, ya think? LOL
| 724 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:47:30pm |
| 726 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:48:39pm |
re: #714 Walter L. Newton
Is it just me, or does anyone see Kennedy's appearance tonight a sort of "dead man walking" kind of stunt to get more attention?
They are trying for that Reagan boost that the GOP got in 2004, but, er, um... he's not dead!
(Insert Monty Python reference here)
| 727 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:49:09pm |
Having grown up in MA, I've had Kennedy fatigue since I was able to form a coherent thought.
| 728 |
David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:49:11pm |
re: #639 Kosh's Shadow
I've seen all sorts of statistics, but never the one I really want to see.
I hear that the top n% families pay m% of the taxes, and it is much more than n%. What I don't hear is what percentage of the US income those families make.
If the top 10% make, say 30% of the income, but pay 20% of the taxes, they probably pay too little; if they pay 50% of the taxes, then they probably pay too much.
And both sides have statistics to make their point.
I'm beginning to think that the numbers aren't as outrageous as both sides say.In any case, I will say that most of us do get socked, and will really get it with national health care. If for no other reason than we'll pay in our taxes, but we won't get raises to cover it, or to cover what we're actually getting now in company-paid insurance. We'll get the same pay, but with higher taxes (if the French model is at all correct, our burden would go from 30% to at least 40% and possibly 50%)
Under our "progressive" tax structure, there are numerous tax brackets. A married couple filing a joint return pays 35% of every dollar of taxable income over roughly $300,000. So every single dollar of taxable income over that threshhold is being taxed at a higher rate than what a middle-class or poor person pays.
Tax shelters? Completely overblown. Most of them are a sham, and the people who are stupid enough to invest in them end up getting burned badly. There are tax-exempt bonds that are free from federal income tax (they're still part of your estate for federal estate tax purposes), but they generally pay a very low rate of interest.
By the way, I've never understood the notion that it's fair for a rich person to pay more tax. Why is that "fair"? In reality, a fairer tax would have the poor paying more as they are disproportionate users of government services.
| 729 |
maddogg Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:49:25pm |
Obama to Bob Bechtel: Now I know how McGovern felt.....
Bob Bechtel: Sir, McGovern was a pussy.......so I suppose so.
| 730 |
galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:49:31pm |
re: #719 Dustoff-507
Not a doctor.
Are you kidding, it's all we were ever called. (-:
I know more than a few "not a doctors" who know as much or more medicine than many an MD who has come off the assembly line in the last 20 or 25 years. Lots of those are little better trained than the barefoot doctors of China.
| 732 |
nikis-knight Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:49:58pm |
re: #554 buzzsawmonkey
No, I'm not kidding. If the blades of household fans are enclosed; if there is protective mesh on water turbines in order to prevent fish from being sliced and diced; if there are rudimentary safety features on other dangerous machinery, why are large whirling windmill blades not enclosed to prevent julienning migrating Canada geese?
I think they don't actually turn that fast, the problem is the air currents because they are so big? So a mesh wouldn't really help, I think.
| 733 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:50:02pm |
re: #717 Kosh's Shadow
I don't think it is - I think it will be a disaster. But we got sidetracked in discussing the tax burden on different groups.
It would be an unmitigated disaster. I have Tricare and they screwed up my daughters eligibility date. They knew they were wrong but trying to get the right person to fix it was ridiculous. So we waited the 2 months and since she is young and healthy we were fine. These people should be careful what they wish for!
| 734 |
Dustoff-507 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:50:04pm |
Time for me to also go. Have a great evening.
Try not to laugh when Teddy comes out for another one of his LONG and great speeches. (snort)
| 736 |
RememberSekhmet? Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:51:04pm |
re: #684 formercorpsman
My Boomer dad had knee surgery back in the day, when they believed removing all the fluid was a good thing. It's not just age that's the reason Boomers have bad knees.
| 737 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:51:22pm |
Buzz - There's something you can work off.re: #722 formercorpsman
Paging Buzz.
There is a song somewhere in the Craigslist ladies.
Walter, I am crying from laughter with your post.
awesome.
This time I mean it. Going to take a nap. I'll check in later on an open thread.
Maybe I'll dream of a Craigslist Lady.
Buzz - There's something you can work off.re: #722 formercorpsman
Paging Buzz.
There is a song somewhere in the Craigslist ladies.
Walter, I am crying from laughter with your post.
awesome.
| 738 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:51:23pm |
And it goes on....
Ohio Gov. Bashes Press for pro-Obama Bias
Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland is the latest supporter of Hillary Clinton to accuse the media of bias in its coverage of the Democratic nomination battle.
At a dinner with Washington Post reporters and editors, Strickland called the coverage "almost shocking at times" and unfair it the treatment of both candidate Clinton and her husband, the former president.
"Quite frankly, some of the people that I had most previously admired as commentators I have a remarkably different opinion toward right now," Strickland said.
| 739 |
solomonpanting Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:52:07pm |
re: #639 Kosh's Shadow
I've seen all sorts of statistics, but never the one I really want to see.
I hear that the top n% families pay m% of the taxes, and it is much more than n%. What I don't hear is what percentage of the US income those families make.
If the top 10% make, say 30% of the income, but pay 20% of the taxes, they probably pay too little; if they pay 50% of the taxes, then they probably pay too much.
And both sides have statistics to make their point.
I'm beginning to think that the numbers aren't as outrageous as both sides say.In any case, I will say that most of us do get socked, and will really get it with national health care. If for no other reason than we'll pay in our taxes, but we won't get raises to cover it, or to cover what we're actually getting now in company-paid insurance. We'll get the same pay, but with higher taxes (if the French model is at all correct, our burden would go from 30% to at least 40% and possibly 50%)
BREAKDOWN OF INCOME AND TAXES PAID BY CATEGORY
Income Category 2004Source: IRS
| 740 |
Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:52:18pm |
If the birds of prey that are getting killed by the turbines are being lured there by the "bounty of prey", are the turbines somehow to credit for the bounty of prey?
Bad for eagles, good for bunnies/field mice, etc.?
| 741 |
Wendya Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:52:45pm |
re: #707 Dahveed
No doubt about that. She is particularly vile in this case since she wants to be considered relevant when she is nothing more than a bad entertainer.
She's pretty much used up and it's not a pretty sight.
| 742 |
Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:53:11pm |
re: #738 loppyd
Welcome to the Republican party.
I wonder if they realize we weren't making it up all this time.
| 743 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:53:38pm |
re: #741 Wendya
She's pretty much used up and it's not a pretty sight.
The word hag comes to mind. And speaking of hags Dean is talking now.
| 744 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:53:48pm |
I sweat there is a McCain mole in the Obama camp:
New Obama ad: Why is McCain trying to distract us with that unrepentant terrorist I’m friends with?
Thanks for keeping that can of worms open.
| 745 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:54:16pm |
re: #735 buzzsawmonkey
Don't feel obligated Buzz, really just for effect.
Craigslist is the equivalent of an online flea market.
One of those things where is you need a 78 Monte Carlo, a free refrigerator, and some french pleasure, it is probably available within a 4 mile radius.
| 746 |
Canadian Guy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:54:33pm |
Anyone watching this freak show on MSNBC?
| 747 |
Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:54:41pm |
re: #726 cliffster
They are trying for that Reagan boost that the GOP got in 2004, but, er, um... he's not dead!
(Insert Monty Python reference here)
I'm feeling better! I think I'll go for a drive!
| 748 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:54:46pm |
SWEAR....not sweat.
And anyway, ladies don't sweat, they glisten. LOL
| 749 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:54:58pm |
| 750 |
David Simon Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:55:28pm |
re: #743 Nevergiveup
The word hag comes to mind. And speaking of hags Dean is talking now.
He's had a bit of "work" done. He blinks more than Pelosi now.
| 751 |
jcm Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:55:32pm |
re: #683 Dustoff-507
DO I ever........ Arrrrrrrrr I have many friends at Prov & Harborview.
Arrrr is right, I don't really blame anyone.... but the damn rules, the insane bureaucraps.
| 752 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:55:38pm |
If Meygan Kelly is wearing all white, does that mean she is a virgin?
| 753 |
Canadian Guy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:55:43pm |
Dems eating each other up and Chris Matthews is letting the blood spill.
| 754 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:55:58pm |
| 755 |
Wendya Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:56:08pm |
Oh gee... they're talking about the community organizers how how the left has revolutionized campaigning (yeah, right).
They opened an Obama office down the street from my office. I'm going to have to start wearing my Cheney/Rumsfeld 08 tshirt for when they come visit.
| 756 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:56:22pm |
Sarah Palin -- hot, staunchly pro-life mother of five
/Obama and Ol' Plugs -- dissapointed that partial birth abortion is now illegal
| 757 |
Dahveed Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:56:27pm |
re: #752 Nevergiveup
If Meygan Kelly is wearing all white, does that mean she is a virgin?
How does she look in all white?
| 758 |
wrenchwench Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:57:15pm |
I'll take this opportunity to tell a tale that would have been in poor taste a couple of months ago, and will be again:
Mr. w was in the parking lot of Albertson's, and passed a couple of old moonbats loading their groceries into their Outback. They had a bumpersticker that said, "Nobody Died When Bill Lied." These folks had already annoyed Mr. w, so he leaned closer, pointed to the sticker and said to Mrs. Moonbat, "Yes, but what about Teddy?" She said, "What about him?" Mr. w said, "Mary Jo died for your sins." Mrs. Moonbat turned white and gasped. Mr. Moonbat looked puzzled, she had to explain it to him as Mr. w walked away.
| 759 |
Eowyn2 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:57:15pm |
re: #741 Wendya
She's pretty much used up and it's not a pretty sight.
She keeps re-inventing herself as the same slut
| 760 |
galloping granny Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:57:17pm |
re: #742 Silhouette
Welcome to the Republican party.
I wonder if they realize we weren't making it up all this time.
I think the ones who are coming over knew in their hearts all along that we were correct in pointing out media bias. They just didn't want to believe it could or would happen to Hillary until they could ignore it no longer.
| 761 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:57:24pm |
| 762 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:57:48pm |
re: #742 Silhouette
Welcome to the Republican party.
I wonder if they realize we weren't making it up all this time.
And all this time poor Hillary thought it was the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that was out to get her and Bill.
| 764 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:58:05pm |
re: #752 Nevergiveup
If Meygan Kelly is wearing all white, does that mean she is a virgin?
In my world, that's exactly what it means.
| 766 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:58:48pm |
re: #764 cliffster
In my world, that's exactly what it means.
Or it could just mean she is a classy woman!
| 767 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 2:59:37pm |
744 and 738 were both via Hot Air....
Unlike the Chia Pet Biden, I like to give credit where credit is due.
| 768 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:00:18pm |
re: #763 Dahveed
Gotta' love them Fox News chicks!
I'd love to see what their annual Lip Gloss budget is.
| 769 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:00:37pm |
| 770 |
loppyd Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:01:05pm |
Should I have skipped that afternoon iced coffee or what? LOL
| 771 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:01:12pm |
re: #766 Nevergiveup
Or it could just mean she is a classy woman!
And not afraid to wade through the DNC crowd and risk stains.
/lot's of freaks in that arena
| 772 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:02:19pm |
re: #771 Killian Bundy
And not afraid to wade through the DNC crowd and risk stains.
/lot's of freaks in that arena
The per capita shower ratio surely sets record lows.
| 773 |
Silhouette Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:05:29pm |
Day 5 of "What Media Bias: yahoo mail"
Additional note: Yahoo mail has disabled the copy function. If I were as egotistical as Obama, I'd declare they were afraid of my five day investigative report.
McCain gets a slight mention two days in a row, as Yahoo/AP carry water for the "McCain's Houses" angle.
Democrats open 2008 national convention.
Clinton, Obama working out deal for roll call vote.
Michelle Obama out to show husband's personal side.
Obama says Clintons are fully on board.
Dems' attack theme: McCain's houses
THE EDGE: All about Hillary, her power, supporters.
| 774 |
Eowyn2 Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:08:09pm |
| 775 |
kcladderman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:10:13pm |
re: #738 loppyd
And it goes on....
Didn't seem to mind when they were Clinton gushers though did he?
| 776 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:13:39pm |
re: #712 reloadingisnotahobby
Bad entertianer?
Your too kind!
She's a HO!
A rich HO,but still a ho!
Damn it! please don't delete this comment charles..
Listen.. I'm not a big Madonna fan.
and i believe in being fair.. Listen my friend..
This woman started out as a dancer and became a world class singer and entertainer. She has the numbers..you don't. period
She is not a HO..and to call her that is like saying A-Rod is a ho because he was successful..he certainly ain't a saint but she is no Ho.. and nether is Madonna...Did she use sex like everyother entertainer to make millions a month? yes..Is it wrong? You ain't god and neither am i..but i don't hear anybody calling the sex pistols HO's so give her her due..She was an attactive girl singing ok songs in the 80's..she has never been accused of being a coke head or selling sex to man as a ho...She is one of a million girls a year that try to make it..and she did..
I don't like her morals..i don't like her politics...
I respect her as a person and never would call her a whore..
She is rich beyond imagination and i feel sorry for her life...But she has worked hard...She is no whore..( somebody better not say..she sure likes sex alot..yea..who doesn't?)
The convention is going to be fun...
i hope i don't get deleted..
| 777 |
RememberSekhmet? Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:15:27pm |
re: #765 buzzsawmonkey
The image of Obama trying to ride an old plug to the White House is priceless.
Throbert McGee, Mister Throbert McGee, please pick up the white courtesy phone....
| 778 |
vagabond trader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:20:37pm |
re: #776 HoosierHoops
Nah, she's a ho. A high grade ho if it makes you happy.
| 779 |
Guringo Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:20:40pm |
re: #478 Kosh's Shadow
The ones with their faces covered look like they're about to rob a train in an old Western. Too bad they're unarmed.
re: #476 rawmuse
I like it when they cover their faces. It lets me know which ones will be violent.
I'd love to get in their face and spoil their guerrilla carnival, but I also believe it's borderline irresponsible of the police to accommodate these seditious posers, and I bet they don't like having to, either.
-G
| 781 |
RememberSekhmet? Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:22:49pm |
| 782 |
vagabond trader Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:23:46pm |
Wow, the freak show doesn't commence until 10 pm eastern? Talk about cognitive dissonance, completely ignoring the fact that it's a work day for most bitter folk on the east coast and in the midwest.Typical elitist think.
| 783 |
Dahveed Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:26:06pm |
re: #782 vagabond trader
I don't think that it's all that unusual. We on the West Coast may want to watch also.
| 784 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:29:01pm |
re: #778 vagabond trader
Nah, she's a ho. A high grade ho if it makes you happy.
Nah she's married with children..
And it's silly to think of her as a whore..
whatever.. I refuse to ever be put in the position of defending Madonna..Some folks think she is over the top in selling sex in music,
lost like Brittany in the 80's.. Whatever...Let's address her career in terms that are fair to all parties..
She is not a whore...
| 785 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:34:46pm |
re: #776 HoosierHoops
Wow! sorry!
But her "show" if that's what you want to call'em!
Hanging on a cross?
References to Hitler?
Thousands and thousands of young girls idolizing her?
Yet you think since she came up through the ranks of dancers to become a "star"!
and is successful in the "entertainment" industry she deserves a
little respect?
My post stands!
No A Rod fan either!
Amoral...Both of 'em!
Next your gonna tell me Alec Baldwin need some respect?
Maybe "Ho "was inappropriate.....
But let's face it if it walks like a duck and quacks......
| 786 |
Coldpizza Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:37:24pm |
Dina mo hum where is this dina mo coming from just spent all day and haven't heard a hum from the Zombie one? :-)
| 789 |
Dahveed Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:39:54pm |
re: #784 HoosierHoops
I think that while Madonna wouldn't call herself a whore, she certainly used sex as a tool to promote herself. Of course there are many women who have done so. The difference is that she seems proud of that aspect of her life. If she uses sex to promote herself, she has to deal with the consequences of people disapproving of that lifestyle.
| 790 |
itellu3times Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:42:51pm |
re: #565 galloping granny
That we are. Our doctors have so much red tape to wade through they are often hard put to actually practice medicine at all. And often what they are allowed to do for a patient depends not on the judgement of the doctor but the dictates of the insurance company.
Nursing is a bit of a different problem. The next time that you see a "nurse" wearing a name tag that give her the title "nursing staff" rather than RN, it is likely because the facility uses mostly people who have 6 weeks nurse's aide training - or even no medical training at all. It has become the norm in many facilities for there to be but one real nurse per shift on a given ward, mostly there to shuffle paperwork and take legal responsibility. Why pay a real nurse $25 - 30 an hour when you can pay "nursing staff" $10? Meanwhile, most of our schools of nursing have closed their doors. Nurse's training is very hard to come by in most states.
Well OK, but how do we fix this?
| 791 |
itellu3times Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:46:16pm |
re: #639 Kosh's Shadow
I'm beginning to think that the numbers aren't as outrageous as both sides say.
In any case, I will say that most of us do get socked, and will really get it with national health care. If for no other reason than we'll pay in our taxes, but we won't get raises to cover it, or to cover what we're actually getting now in company-paid insurance. We'll get the same pay, but with higher taxes (if the French model is at all correct, our burden would go from 30% to at least 40% and possibly 50%)
But look, if you pay 30% now, say (for round numbers) $30k out of $100k, and then you (plus your employer) pay another $10k/year to insure a family of four, that's $40k, you're just splitting the revenue stream now.
| 792 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:49:27pm |
Maybe "Ho "was inappropriate.....
/that's all i'm saying..
I mean...i don't like the women but...
I've seen worse entertainers and never called them whores..
sh*t maybe..let's drop it..
//stupid madonna
| 793 |
itellu3times Mon, Aug 25, 2008 3:53:21pm |
re: #363 formercorpsman
As someone with close to 20 years now in medicine, I can say without any reservation whatsoever, cede more control of the health care system to government, and overall access will diminish.
...
It will be a disaster. The general public has NO idea what the average person in a Doctor's office spends their day doing just to get a patient treated trying to run through the red tape.Nationalize the system, and will drive a wedge a mile wide between those who can afford better care, and those on the dole.
You draw a dark picture, I understand why, but I'm more optimistic we could get it (closer to) right, something like the current medicare prescription plan, you get a voucher and then spend that, plus cash, for the care you want.
And perhaps I'm more negative than you about the quality of the current system, even if you are insured and can (and do) pay. I already see an immense difference between the quality of care the average guy gets on insurance, and the care the rich guys get for a couple of million out of pocket. And yes, the horror stories from the British system, especially, are rampant, and yes it sounds worse than even my jaundiced view of the current US system.
But also, I suggest, realistically, the politics of the thing will govern as much as the economics, and it is going to happen, so let's just find a way to make it work as best we can.
Well, nobody in the campaigns seems much worked up about this right now anyway, on either side. I'm not sure I could stomach what either candidate would say about it, off the teleprompter.
| 794 |
Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 4:14:21pm |
re: #728 David Simon
Under our "progressive" tax structure, there are numerous tax brackets. A married couple filing a joint return pays 35% of every dollar of taxable income over roughly $300,000. So every single dollar of taxable income over that threshhold is being taxed at a higher rate than what a middle-class or poor person pays.
Tax shelters? Completely overblown. Most of them are a sham, and the people who are stupid enough to invest in them end up getting burned badly. There are tax-exempt bonds that are free from federal income tax (they're still part of your estate for federal estate tax purposes), but they generally pay a very low rate of interest.
By the way, I've never understood the notion that it's fair for a rich person to pay more tax. Why is that "fair"? In reality, a fairer tax would have the poor paying more as they are disproportionate users of government services.
| 795 |
Outrider Mon, Aug 25, 2008 4:17:29pm |
re: #762 loppyd
And all this time poor Hillary thought it was the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that was out to get her and Bill.
Rove!
| 799 |
formercorpsman Mon, Aug 25, 2008 7:23:00pm |
re: #793 itellu3times
The discrepancy you describe plays throughout life in general.
However, allowing the government to find a fix for anything results in an instantaneous increase in cost.
I can agree, the current system can have flaws pointed out, but nothing will ever be perfect, as close as you can is the best to hope for.
I have studied this quite a bit, and I know what I am talking about, being I live this day in and day out.
The interesting part of your description as it relates to the service one gets for paying more, is how Canada addressed such perceived inequality for their own people.
They made it illegal for their own doctors to accept private payment for delivering care.
As you can imagine, once someone has decided to have their knee replaced, the idea of going on a waiting list is absurd. That list exist because of the care being rationed under a socialized system. That is the natural outcome every single time.
Needless to say, some Doctors took the chance, realizing their patients were going across the border for things such as I described, hence, the Canadian economy losing that revenue to the American, thus going against the law, opening their own hospitals, doing the service, and accepting the patients payment for service.
The government attempted to come down on the physician. But how do you square a law like this, when the government does not find it illegal for the citizens to purchase things like alcohol or tobacco? However, it is illegal to purchase your own health care?
Quote from one these physicians:
"We've taken the position that the law is illegal," Dr. Day, 59, says. "This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two to three years."
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