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Totten: The Truth About Russia in Georgia

Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:01:56 am PDT

Here’s another great piece from Michael Totten, in which he gets to the bottom of The Truth About Russia in Georgia.

TBILISI, GEORGIA – Virtually everyone believes Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili foolishly provoked a Russian invasion on August 7, 2008, when he sent troops into the breakaway district of South Ossetia. “The warfare began Aug. 7 when Georgia launched a barrage targeting South Ossetia,” the Associated Press reported over the weekend in typical fashion.

Virtually everyone is wrong. Georgia didn’t start it on August 7, nor on any other date. The South Ossetian militia started it on August 6 when its fighters fired on Georgian peacekeepers and Georgian villages with weapons banned by the agreement hammered out between the two sides in 1994. At the same time, the Russian military sent its invasion force bearing down on Georgia from the north side of the Caucasus Mountains on the Russian side of the border through the Roki tunnel and into Georgia. This happened before Saakashvili sent additional troops to South Ossetia and allegedly started the war.

Regional expert, German native, and former European Commission official Patrick Worms was recently hired by the Georgian government as a media advisor, and he explained to me exactly what happened when I met him in downtown Tbilisi. You should always be careful with the version of events told by someone on government payroll even when the government is friendly as democratic as Georgia’s. I was lucky, though, that another regional expert, author and academic Thomas Goltz, was present during Worms’ briefing to me and signed off on it as completely accurate aside from one tiny quibble.

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1 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:03:53am

Lies. They're all damned lies. Pravda says that Georgia instigated, and anything other than what Pravda says is misrepresenting the truth and must be purged from the record. / [do i really?]

2 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:05:11am
Virtually everyone is wrong. Georgia didn't start it on August 7, nor on any other date. The South Ossetian militia started it on August 6 when its fighters fired on Georgian peacekeepers and Georgian villages with weapons banned by the agreement hammered out between the two sides in 1994. At the same time, the Russian military sent its invasion force bearing down on Georgia from the north side of the Caucasus Mountains on the Russian side of the border through the Roki tunnel and into Georgia. This happened before Saakashvili sent additional troops to South Ossetia and allegedly started the war.


Absolutely...and the rest is an excellent history. Well done.

3 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:07:14am

Are you implying that Russia instigated the whole thing? How dare you! The facts don't matter! Any good commie reporter knows that.

4 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:07:20am

re: #1 lawhawk

Pravda says that Georgia instigated

Exactly! Good thing that Mother Russia just happened to have several mechanized brigades gassed up, armed and ready, right on the border. Pure coincidence, comrades!

5 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:07:47am

The AP is wrong.

Sad. But not surprising.

6 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:08:18am

As usual LGF was ahead of the curve in recognizing the the TRUTH of the matter.

7 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:08:41am

Totten rocks. Time to hit his tip jar again.

8 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:09:01am

A lot of very good information there. Thanks for posting it.

9 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:09:52am

It was clearly a Russian set up job. Media echoed Russian propaganda that 2000 Ossetians had been killed by the Georgians. Yet, the doctor in charge of the hospital said the figure was more like 40 & it was not clear at all that they were killed by the Georgians.

10 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:10:17am

What does totten mean?

11 bill-tb  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:11:17am

Bloggers for the truth ... It's the future.

12 Westward Ho  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:13:19am
13 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:14:02am

If you don't believe the Russians, why, you must be insane, with dangerous beliefs - but we must first ensure by law that both viewpoints are heard out and given serious consideration (before we silence those 'crazies').

/worldwide moonbat/leftist convergence

14 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:14:17am
You also need to know one thing: you may be wondering what these areas live off, especially in Ossetia, there's no industry there. Georgia is poor, but Ossetia is poorer. It's basically a smuggler's paradise. There was a sting operation that netted three kilograms of highly enriched uranium. There are fake hundred dollar bills to the tune of at least 50 million dollars that have been printed.

Highly enriched uranium? Not good...

15 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:14:58am

re: #10 midwestgak

What does totten mean?

He means the media lied.
Russian inspired, and if they followed history, Russian controlled provocateurs started the fracas.

Georgia was mugged and raped.

16 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:15:33am
17 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:19:35am

Georgia, Georgia,
The whole day through
A totalitarian's wrong
and has Georgia on his mind

I'm say Georgia
Georgia
A song of you
Comes a murderous gang
Marching through the pines

Men in arms reach out thee
Other men attack viciously
Still in hopeful dreams I see
Safe democracy back for you

I said Georgia,
Ooh Georgia, no peace I find
A totalitarian's wrong
and has Georgia on his mind

Men in arms reach out to thee
Other men attack viciously
Still in hopeful dreams I see
Safe democracy back for you

Georgia,
Georgia,
No peace, no peace I find
A totalitarian's wrong
and has Georgia on his mind

A totalitarian's wrong
and has Georgia on his mind

(apologies to Ray Charles)

18 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:20:23am

Listening to radio.... Obama foreign policy advisor.

We need change BHO has the knowledge and wisdom for foreign policy. Iraq and Afghanistan are failed policies.

What planet do these people live on?

19 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:20:26am

Meanwhile in Denver ...


[eyes closed, hands over ears]
"We can't hear you! We can't hear you! LaLaLaLaLaLaLa! We can't hear you!"
20 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:20:40am

Independent reporters + the net + blogs = completely new era in the spread of news.

Up there with the invention of moveable type IMHO.

21 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:22:06am

re: #18 jcm

Listening to radio.... Obama foreign policy advisor.

We need change BHO has the knowledge and wisdom for foreign policy. Iraq and Afghanistan are failed policies.

What planet do these people live on?

And Obama wants to engage Iran with more diplomacy.
I say it there has been enough talk; time for a big stick.

22 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:22:07am

re: #18 jcm

Listening to radio.... Obama foreign policy advisor.

We need change BHO has the knowledge and wisdom for foreign policy. Iraq and Afghanistan are failed policies.

What planet do these people live on?

Ooooooh. Knowledge and wisdom? Wow!

/Democrats keepin' it smug and vague.

23 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:22:42am

re: #18 jcm

Not the planet where failed foreign policies starting with Carter led to 9-11.

24 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:22:54am

Bush is sending Dick Cheney to Georgia too. Serious sh*t follows where ever Big Dick goes.

25 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:22:56am

It took six months for them to organize the invasion force, it was no reaction to recent events, whatever they were.

26 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:24:09am
“Yes,” he said. “Absolutely. We've been trying to tell the world about this for months. If you go back and look at the archives you'll see plenty of calls from the Georgian government saying they're really worried. Even some Russian commentators agree that this is exactly what happened. Don't forget, they sent in a lot of irregulars, Chechens, Cossacks, Ossetians, Ingush – basically thugs. Not normal Chechens or Ingush – thugs. Thugs out for a holiday. Many Western camera crews were robbed at gunpoint ten meters from Russian tanks while Russian commanders just stood there smoking their cigarettes while the irregulars...that happened to a Turkish TV crew. They're lucky to still be alive. Some of the Georgians were picked up by the irregulars. If they happened to be female, they got raped. If they happened to be male, they got shot immediately, sometimes tortured. Injured people we have in hospitals who managed to get out have had arms chopped off, eyes gouged out, and their tongues ripped out.”
27 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:24:13am

re: #24 Kenneth

Bush is sending Dick Cheney to Georgia too. Serious sh*t follows where ever Big Dick goes.

Not really, he's been traveling to Saudi Arabia for the last couple of years, to absolutely no avail - not for us, anyway.

28 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:25:22am

re: #26 scottishbuzzsaw

That's worse than panties on the head

29 TimK  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:25:38am

So the whole deal was set up. Fancy that. The Russians were/are lying.
I am sure that President Obama will be able to sort it all out.

30 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:25:41am

This just proves what my gut has been telling me-but I ignored. It was an invasion using the false claim of it's "people being killed".
I've had run ins with some Ronulans and commie loving euros at an AK-47 site.
It's sickening the way they excuse what the russians did and believe everything they claim.

31 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:26:19am

re: #29 TimK

BHO will be able to see the exact truth instantaneously

/DNC

32 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:26:27am

re: #24 Kenneth

Bush is sending Dick Cheney to Georgia too. Serious sh*t follows where ever Big Dick goes.

Here comes the Dick! (sorry, I couldn't resist.)

33 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:26:27am

"Russian rules of engagement, so to speak, go down harder than communism. And the Soviet era habits of disinformation are alive and well."

How effective a government can be when it really, really wants to win.

Sadly, in the U.S., where fortunate citizens have been born with the recognized right to hire their own government, around 50% of them don't seem to care if we lose.

34 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:29:56am

Michael Totten is a national treasure.

35 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:31:37am

re: #28 Ojoe

That's worse than panties on the head

Not if the U.S. did the deed. For the left, it's the instigator, not the incident, that matters when deciding whether an action deserves international censure.

36 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:31:47am

re: #30 Hard Right

I recently came across a post on a decent "How can Muslims help counter terrorists in their ranks?" thread recently that - in bold letters - stated that "Israel is the primary agitator of terrorists in the region."

/clue bat with extra nails applied with force.

37 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:31:50am

re: #4 Occasional Reader Not to mention that Russian Naval Squadron just happening to be in the area.

38 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:32:33am
39 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:33:17am

Somehow this is still America's fault. Barry said the Russians were just following our example.

40 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:33:28am

NYT: NYC needs to dream big - emulate China.

The comments are actually quite enlightening. They actually slam the author for trying to even make the connection between a totalitarian regime that simply takes what it wants from the people, uses essentially slave labor, and couldn't care less about the environment to build shiny new buildings that catch the reporter's eye.

41 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:33:48am

The Georgian "invasion" of S. Ossetia is in the same category as the Polish "invasion" of Germany in August 1939.

P.S. We seem to have swamped Mr. Totten's server.

42 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:34:32am

re: #34 realwest

I loved his pieces on Ramadi (you won't find pictures like that on Reuters) and Israelis in Kosovo. The latter interestingly countering the myth of Saudis secretly trying to influence things...

43 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:34:38am

re: #37 realwest

Not to mention that Russian Naval Squadron just happening to be in the area.



South Ossetian militia started it....

Any bets on that militia unit being Spetsnaz?

44 Solomon2  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:35:45am

Charles forgot to mention that Michael Totten is mostly supported through the readers of his blog. So don't forget to send him a donation, people! It's less of a waste of time (and thus money) than watching the MSM.

45 Cygnus  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:36:10am

re: #10 midwestgak

What does totten mean?

In German, 'toten' means 'to die'. Interesting.

46 Cygnus  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:37:09am

re: #45 Cygnus

In German, 'toten' means 'to die'. Interesting.

Whoops - I took that literally. I'm not awake yet. Yawn!

47 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:38:26am

re: #39 Kragar (proud to be kafir) Ah, yeah, except that Barry forgot we went into Iraq under a U.N. Mandate. Russia went into Geogia with Putin's mandate. Too bad Obama, who supposedly LOVES the U.N. keeps forgetting that fact.

48 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:38:53am

Read the whole thing. Very well done.

49 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:39:31am

re: #47 realwest

Ah, yeah, except that Barry forgot we went into Iraq under a U.N. Mandate.

We went into Iraq with a UN mandate?!

/seriously, we did?

50 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:40:27am

re: #42 laZardo Yup, as I said, Michael Totten is indeed a national treasure.
Too bad he has to work - literally - on charity.
Think what he could do if, say, FOX news was bankrolling him?

51 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:42:12am
52 Westward Ho  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:42:15am

How the hell did I not hear of Totten before?

/LGF irregulars curse

53 alegrias  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:42:38am

re: #49 laZardo

We went into Iraq with a UN mandate?!

/seriously, we did?

* * *
18 UN resolutions? A "coalition" of countries that went in with us? All those meetings on the eve of the invasion in the Azores, with Tony Blair, Manuel Barroso, Jose Maria Aznar and President Bush demanding Saddam Hussein leave now or else?

Bet you also didn't know it was US President Bill Clinton who made regime change of Iraq official US policy! Believe it or not.

54 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:43:03am

Here's an idea of how important and newsworthy Totten's report was. Michael Yon satphoned Instapundit to tell him to read it while Yon was in Afghanistan.

55 toadbelly  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:44:04am

Standard practice for the Russians since the old Soviet days. Foment dissent amongst a small pro-commie dissident group, supply them with weapons, money, propaganda, attack the civilian population, terrorized, brutalize and if lucky entice the prevailing government to react violently.
Then send in the troops and aid under the guise of "peace-keeping".

They did this, along with the Chinese, in Korea, in Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan, now South Ossetia.

56 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:44:34am

re: #50 realwest

Yup, as I said, Michael Totten is indeed a national treasure.
Too bad he has to work - literally - on charity.
Think what he could do if, say, FOX news was bankrolling him?

Working with private funding keeps Totten editorially independent and beholden to no-one. I think he prefers it that way...

57 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:44:49am

re: #50 realwest

Totten would not do the same things at all, nor would he be nearly as believeable if he were on the Fox News payroll.


Towercam, but a little late for the best lighting. (The San Gabriel Mountains in the morning)

58 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:46:17am

re: #53 alegrias

Actually, I thought the coalition was independent of the UN.

I think you missed the sarc tag on the Bill Clinton part, too. The plan to finish what we started in Kuwait was drafted in 1992, but I doubt Bill Clinton wanted Saddam "out."

59 yma o hyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:46:47am

Has anybody read any of these books by Thomas Goltz, the one who is described by Totten as knowing more of that whole region than anybody else?

60 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:47:34am

re: #57 Ojoe

Totten would not do the same things at all, nor would he be nearly as believeable if he were on the Fox News payroll.


Not only do gmta, but skeptical ones as well :)

61 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:47:44am

Yeah, hey all y'all - I'm not in anything like good financial shape (SSDI doesn't exactly pay a lot) but Mom and I just made a donation to Totten through PayPay and I would ask all of you to please donate ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN. $10, $20, $50 or more - anything.
History will learn about us through the MSM and.........Michael Totten - please, PLEASE

62 liam76  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:48:05am

Actually it started when Russia shot down Georgian aircraft in Georgian airspace a few months ago.

63 alegrias  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:48:39am

I think Fox News' Steve Harrigan did good coverage of the Russian illegal okkupayshun, lying about their many fake "retreats", murder, looting, and maiming of civilians, and stealing US humvees.

Fox News coverage is believeable--they covered the UN Oil for Food scandal like bloodhounds on the beat and hounded those scoundrels.

Only the cockroaches don't like Fox News' cameras on their case.

64 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:49:36am

You mean the AP and N.Y. Times were wrong in reporting that the crazy President of Georgia started it all? And that they're parroting Russian propaganda instead? Who woulda thunk it? ;-)

Seriously, when two major "news" organizations are this badly misled by Russian propaganda, the only question remaining is, "Are they stupid, gullible, lazy, or deliberate stooges for the Russians?"

I hope it's some combination of the first three. If it's the last, the N.Y. Times has become traitor to this nation.

65 lifeofthemind  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:49:42am

OT
Lizards, Day by Day needs help.

66 alegrias  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:49:55am

re: #58 laZardo

Actually, I thought the coalition was independent of the UN.

I think you missed the sarc tag on the Bill Clinton part, too. The plan to finish what we started in Kuwait was drafted in 1992, but I doubt Bill Clinton wanted Saddam "out."

* * *
President Clinton, like so many others bloviating on the national stage, was FOR removing Saddam Hussein, before President Bush actually did it.

67 granitebill  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:49:58am

Very OT:
Charles, could you please remove the ad (the vertical banner) on the home page of the trollop madonna?
Yes, i am being petty, but the thought of advertising her crap here irks me to no end.

-thanks, granite

68 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:50:47am

re: #52 Westward Ho

/LGF irregulars curse

Add more fiber to your diet.

69 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:51:40am

re: #66 alegrias

President Clinton, like so many others bloviating on the national stage, was FOR talking about removing Saddam Hussein

Fixed.

70 Karagush  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:52:15am

re: #64 quickjustice

You mean the AP and N.Y. Times were wrong in reporting that the crazy President of Georgia started it all? And that they're parroting Russian propaganda instead? Who woulda thunk it? ;-)

Seriously, when two major "news" organizations are this badly misled by Russian propaganda, the only question remaining is, "Are they stupid, gullible, lazy, or deliberate stooges for the Russians?"

I hope it's some combination of the first three. If it's the last, the N.Y. Times has become traitor to this nation.

They allready are. Outing classified programs proves that. They provide cover and propaganda, and give intel to our enemies. Thats the very definition of a traitor.

71 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:53:27am

re: #66 alegrias

re: #69 Occasional Reader

18 UN resolutions calling for Saddam's removal sounds like quite a stretch from the UN as well. Calling for more visibility in the inspections programs, I can believe.

72 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:53:39am

re: #67 granitebill

Very OT:
Charles, could you please remove the ad (the vertical banner) on the home page of the trollop madonna?
Yes, i am being petty, but the thought of advertising her crap here irks me to no end.

-thanks, granite

Ads are pushed by doubleclick, I see Pajamas Media Ads and NBC Olympics. What ad gets pushed to your screen depends on a lot of factors. Charles gets paid when someone clicks on that ad. He doesn't control the ads that get pushed.

73 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:53:41am

re: #67 granitebill

Very OT:
Charles, could you please remove the ad (the vertical banner) on the home page of the trollop madonna?
Yes, i am being petty, but the thought of advertising her crap here irks me to no end.

-thanks, granite

Especially since her "performance" in Israel with slides linking Bush and Hitler.
She is moonbat extreme.

74 alegrias  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:55:06am

re: #69 Occasional Reader

Fixed.

* * *
Si Se Puede...talk about removing murderous genociders.

Say did you see Mugabe got heckled during his opening speech of Zimbabwe's parliament? Bwahaha. Pray for those brave hecklers' lives and families.

Zimbabwe the gulag should be under the media spotlight more. MSM are cobardes.

75 alegrias  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:56:13am

re: #71 laZardo

re: #69 Occasional Reader

18 UN resolutions calling for Saddam's removal sounds like quite a stretch from the UN as well. Calling for more visibility in the inspections programs, I can believe.

* * *
Picky picky picky.

18 strongly worded letters, howze that for you. Not on anyone's radar, was it.

76 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:56:42am

re: #58 laZardo

The argument is that the pre-existing 18 UN resolutions, and Saddam's ongoing violations of the ceasefire agreement of the UN authorized Gulf War provided all the authorization the Coalition required to go to war. While the Bush admin was not able to get a further UN resolution, such a resolution was not necessary.

77 semper gumbi  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:56:54am

re: #58 laZardo

Iraq Liberation Act 1998

Here is the wikipedia page on ther Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 which specifically called for regime change - signed by President Clinton.

78 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:56:55am

re: #64 quickjustice

You mean the AP and N.Y. Times were wrong in reporting that the crazy President of Georgia started it all? And that they're parroting Russian propaganda instead? Who woulda thunk it? ;-)

Seriously, when two major "news" organizations are this badly misled by Russian propaganda, the only question remaining is, "Are they stupid, gullible, lazy, or deliberate stooges for the Russians?"

I hope it's some combination of the first three. If it's the last, the N.Y. Times has become traitor to this nation.

When the NYT has on several occasions reported on secret ongoing counter terrorism operations, thereby ruining the intel take from those ops? When the NYT still displays and counts it's Pullet Surprise for cover up the Ukrainian genocide?

I'd go with traitorous shitbirds myself.

79 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:56:59am

re: #68 Occasional Reader

Add more fiber to your diet.


And please donate something, anything at all to Michael Totten (on his website, PayPal or send check). Seriously y'all our history is gonna be written based upon, for the most part, what the MSM and some blogs (like LGF) have said - and we need Michael Totten to add to that history base to try to get it right.

80 alegrias  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:57:13am

re: #73 Kosh's Shadow

Especially since her "performance" in Israel with slides linking Bush and Hitler.
She is moonbat extreme.


* * *
And Madonna owns many houses.

82 yma o hyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:57:24am

re: #67 granitebill

Very OT:
Charles, could you please remove the ad (the vertical banner) on the home page of the trollop madonna?
Yes, i am being petty, but the thought of advertising her crap here irks me to no end.

-thanks, granite

I second that, most forcefully, for the reason that she put up disgraceful images comparing McCain to Hitler and Mugabe, at her concert here in Cardiff on Saturday, Aug 23rd.

Read this report - and spit!

83 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:57:47am

re: #71 laZardo

re: #69 Occasional Reader

18 UN resolutions calling for Saddam's removal sounds like quite a stretch from the UN as well. Calling for more visibility in the inspections programs, I can believe.

The UN Resolutions were to enforce the 1991 ceasefire agreement, which meant full compliance or the war would be back on. That's what a ceasefire agreement means. You fail to adhere to the terms, and the reason for resumption of fighting exists.

The Iraqis repeatedly failed to adhere to the obligations, and all those UN SCRs reiterated that Iraq failed to adhere to the obligations.

85 alegrias  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:59:14am

re: #77 semper gumbi

Iraq Liberation Act 1998

Here is the wikipedia page on ther Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 which specifically called for regime change - signed by President Clinton.

* * *
Thank you kind lizard!

People for some reason have amnesia as to what President Bill Clinton did during much of his eight years.

Maybe the former President will remind us tonight when he talks about Security during the Clinton years, or the future, or whatever he bloviates about.

86 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 8:59:45am

re: #71 laZardo

The Gulf War ceasefire agreement committed Saddam to co-operating with the inspections, disarmament, return of POW's etc. He reneged on all the points, and Iraqi forces frequently fired upon US & UK planes in the no-fly zones. Meaning, Iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.

87 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:00:00am
88 Iron Fist  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:00:06am

re: #67 granitebill

Look at it this way: that trollop is funding your perusing of LGF. I doubt seriously that she'd approve. laugh at her, as it were!

Heh™

90 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:00:10am

re: #54 lawhawk
WOW, lawhawk, that's impressive - both you're post and the facts thereof. Yon is another of those "independent journalists" who actually write what is true, not what their editors will accept.
Thank you for posting that.

91 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:00:34am

re: #81 WrathofG-d

Terrorists complain that Israeli jails are too tough for them because, inter alia, they use handcuffs.

In Israel, shouldn't it be "inter aliyah"?

/

92 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:00:43am

Hmmmm. Michael's gettin' so many hits his pipe is overloaded...

93 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:00:54am

re: #84 WrathofG-d

Pigs fly....and the piggy bank recognize "palestinians"

Well, you wouldn't want Fayyd to be embarrassed now would you?

94 alegrias  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:01:08am

re: #86 Kenneth

The Gulf War ceasefire agreement committed Saddam to co-operating with the inspections, disarmament, return of POW's etc. He reneged on all the points, and Iraqi forces frequently fired upon US & UK planes in the no-fly zones. Meaning, Iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.

* * *
And Russia helped Saddam scam money through the Oil For Food program, until we busted up that profitable mafia operation--with great reporting by Eric Hunt of Fox News Cable.

95 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:01:40am

ot:

Pigs are really flying today: U.N. acknowledges that Syria and Lebanon are Supplying Hiz'b'allah.

/wow, that putting someone else in charge of the security of the Jewish state was a great idea Olmert.

96 Westward Ho  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:01:52am

re: #79 realwest

Point noted sah!, loads of Totten archives to pour through. I feel that Iam going to get the best history lesson on OIF.

97 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:02:00am

re: #67 granitebill

Very OT:
Charles, could you please remove the ad (the vertical banner) on the home page of the trollop madonna?
Yes, i am being petty, but the thought of advertising her crap here irks me to no end.

-thanks, granite

I use Firefox with AdBlock Plus.

98 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:02:17am

re: #95 WrathofG-d

How was your vacation?

99 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:02:18am

re: #56 runrabbitrun
and
re: #57 Ojoe

You are each quite correct - so please see my #61.

100 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:02:28am

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Very funny, well done.

101 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:02:43am

re: #83 lawhawk

re: #76 Kenneth

I get what you mean...but wouldn't the termination of the ceasefire STILL require UN Approval?

102 Salamantis  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:03:05am

re: #90 realwest

WOW, lawhawk, that's impressive - both you're post and the facts thereof. Yon is another of those "independent journalists" who actually write what is true, not what their editors will accept.
Thank you for posting that.

Michael J. Totten, Glenn Reynolds and Charles Johnson are the three bloggers I most respect. I would expect them to co-operate on getting important stories out there, and suspect that they are friends.

103 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:03:11am

re: #85 alegrias

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Those who forgot that Clinton had a problem with Iraq should check the cnn webpage.

104 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:03:36am

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Marvelous. I am ready to go back. It was truly amazing. Loved every moment of it (excluding the French)

105 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:03:36am

re: #94 alegrias

the French were very much into the scam, too.

106 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:04:35am

re: #101 laZardo

re: #76 Kenneth

I get what you mean...but wouldn't the termination of the ceasefire STILL require UN Approval?

No. Not unless you are like John Kerry and would seek a permission slip from the UN.

107 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:04:40am

re: #104 WrathofG-d

Marvelous. I am ready to go back. It was truly amazing. Loved every moment of it (excluding the French)

Where did you wind up going?

108 alegrias  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:05:53am

re: #103 debutaunt

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Those who forgot that Clinton had a problem with Iraq should check the cnn webpage.

* * *
Great find. Pres. Clinton's final ultimatum to Saddam Hussein!

(Of course three days later he was impeached)
(Once again, the MSM had other priorities, as did the US public.)

109 rthakidn  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:06:01am

MSM on the wrong side of truth in a situation. There's a first. The One should have let us know this was coming.

110 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:06:07am

re: #101 laZardo

The 18 UN resolutions kept repeating to Iraq: comply or face serious consequences. I think serious means serious, not just another toothless resolution.

111 granitebill  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:06:12am

re: #88 Iron Fist

Look at it this way: that trollop is funding your perusing of LGF. I doubt seriously that she'd approve. laugh at her, as it were!

Heh™

nice twist... but the taste of 'selling out' is still there...
(I know what you're saying, though)

-granite

112 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:06:59am

Hmmmm....pro-Russian on the downding button?

113 Pyrocles  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:07:06am

NPR said that this morning: Georgia instigated the whole mess. In between their fawning coverage of the Democrat Convention of course.

re: #1 lawhawk

Lies. They're all damned lies. Pravda says that Georgia instigated, and anything other than what Pravda says is misrepresenting the truth and must be purged from the record. / [do i really?]

114 Salamantis  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:07:57am

re: #105 Kenneth

the French were very much into the scam, too.

In fact, Saddam drained the Tigris-Euphrates delta, committing ecocide and destroying the historical environment of the Marsh Arab culture there, just so French oil giant TotalElFina would have an easier time drilling in the place.

Much of the ecological damage done to the area has been repaired, bu the US, since Saddam was ejected.

115 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:08:07am

re: #92 Cap'n DOC Well that's a shame cause then folks can't use his paypal account.
But HEY if you can't reach Tottens blog site, here's his snail mail addy for donations:

Michael Totten
P.O. Box 312
Portland, OR 97207-0312

Thank you all who donate. This guy truly deserves it.

116 yma o hyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:08:16am

Here are some comments on Russia's 'recognition' of Abkhazia and South Ossetia:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Amazingly, the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, is most forceful, certainly more so than the 'spokesperson' of the British Foreign Office.
Note that neither the British Foreign secretary, nor the Prime Minister, nor any other government minsiter found it necessary to comment ... birds of a feather, or what!

117 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:08:17am

re: #68 Occasional Reader

Q: Why did the Romans eat Roman Meal Bread?

A: They wanted the world's first regular army.

118 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:09:00am

re: #94 alegrias

* * *
And Russia helped Saddam scam money through the Oil For Food program, until we busted up that profitable mafia operation--with great reporting by Eric Hunt of Fox News Cable.

Cursed Faux News, always trying to bring down the UN's authority!

/

119 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:09:15am

re: #103 debutaunt

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Those who forgot that Clinton had a problem with Iraq should check the cnn webpage.


And lest our screaming freak leftists forget, before his operations against Saddam, Clinton went to the UN, tried to "build a coalition" AND EVERY ONE APPROACHED (Saudi Arabia, and the rest of Papa Bush's coaliton) SAID, "NO" and he did it anyway.

I would say that's a few countries short of Bush Jr's "unilateralism."

120 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:09:53am
121 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:10:18am

re: #86 Kenneth

And it took us a decade to actually react...

122 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:10:46am

re: #114 Salamantis

The true meaning of "No War For Oil" is very ironic, isn't it?

123 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:10:57am

re: #107 Occasional Reader

Where didn't I go!?

Off the top of my head I can think of:

Zicron Yackov, Herziliyah, Raan'anna, Jerusalem, Haifa, Rosh Pina, Yafo, Tel-Aviv, Netanya, Acco, Safed, Tiberias, Bat She'an, The Kinneret, Ceasararea, and most places in between.

124 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:11:15am

re: #99 realwest

and
re: #57 Ojoe

You are each quite correct - so please see my #61.

not only had I read your excellent post - I'd updinged it so others would read it too :)

125 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:11:44am

re: #121 laZardo

Well, we had to get rid of Clinton first.

126 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:12:23am

re: #115 realwest

Well that's a shame cause then folks can't use his paypal account.
But HEY if you can't reach Tottens blog site, here's his snail mail addy for donations:

Michael Totten
P.O. Box 312
Portland, OR 97207-0312

Thank you all who donate. This guy truly deserves it.

I PayPal'd him another ten bucks.

127 Catttt  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:12:25am

Thank God for Michael Totten. He is invaluable in doing the reporting that the MSM doesn't bother with any more.

Keep in mind that he accepts donations (he has a paypal link). You also can subscribe if you want to. All that travel costs money.

128 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:12:49am

re: #123 WrathofG-d

Where didn't I go!?

Off the top of my head I can think of:

Zicron Yackov, Herziliyah, Raan'anna, Jerusalem, Haifa, Rosh Pina, Yafo, Tel-Aviv, Netanya, Acco, Safed, Tiberias, Bat She'an, The Kinneret, Ceasararea, and most places in between.

You were a veritable one-man okupayshun!

129 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:13:08am

re: #102 Salamantis
No argument from me, but I have to say that Totten (and Yon) have been doing the hard field work for truth as well.
I don't hardly ever go to other blogs (than LGF) unless there's a link in here somewhere and I do and have in fact donated frequently to Charles. I just think a little bit of dough to Totten would help him in his work - which Charles reports upon.
We really can't have too many intelligent folks laboring with integrity in the fields of freedom.

130 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:13:11am

re: #112 scottishbuzzsaw

Hmmmm....pro-Russian on the downding button?

"cannyman" doesn't like Michael Totten, apparently.

131 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:13:46am

re: #119 Ben Hur

Iraq tried to get into Saudi Arabia via Kuwait. No surprise why they'd want Saddam's head on a stick.

132 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:14:08am

re: #130 wrenchwench

"cannyman" doesn't like Michael Totten, apparently.

Indeed...

133 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:14:17am

re: #123 WrathofG-d

Where didn't I go!?

Off the top of my head I can think of:

Occupied Zicron Yackov, Occupied Herziliyah, Occupied Raan'anna, Occupied Jerusalem, Occupied Haifa, Occupied Rosh Pina, Occupied Yafo, Occupied Tel-Aviv, Occupied Netanya, Occupied Acco, Occupied Safed, Occupied Tiberias, Occupied Bat She'an, The Occupied Kinneret, Occupied Ceasararea, and most Occupied places in between.

134 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:14:45am

re: #128 Occasional Reader

Most amazing part about it all is that I still didn't see everything I wanted to.

From a politics point of view I was amazed by how many Arab/Muslims there were all over the Country and how integrated (for lack of better word) that they were. They were everywhere, and obvious.

135 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:15:12am

re: #113 Pyrocles What do you expect from NPR - they wouldn't know the truth if it hit 'em in the face.
NPR is sorta OUR BBC - only we don't have to pay fees to keep it going.

136 Northpaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:15:19am

I read this whole thing this morning. Amazing how much this very commonsensical report differs from the media's narrative. It's almost like they enjoy getting the story wrong in every possible way.

137 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:16:19am

re: #133 Ben Hur

I hope that next year I will be able to go to Liberated Hevron, Liberated Niilin, etc.

I would really like to get out to Judea/Samaria.

138 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:16:40am

re: #131 laZardo

Iraq tried to get into Saudi Arabia via Kuwait. No surprise why they'd want Saddam's head on a stick.

But they still turned down Clinton when he asked for their support before bombing them.

Otherwise:

Barry’s Original Nose

I'm not to sure about this.

139 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:16:47am

Nazis plan to assassinate Obama....
Plot to Kill Obama: Shoot From High Vantage Point

Subsequently authorities went to the Cherry Creek Hotel in Glendale to contact an associate of Gartrell's. But that man, identified as Shawn Robert Adolph, 33, who was wanted on numerous warrants, jumped out of a sixth floor hotel window. Law enforcement sources say Adolph broke an ankle in the fall and was captured moments later. Sources say he had a handcuff ring and was wearing a swastika, and is thought to have ties to white supremacist organizations.

140 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:16:58am

re: #124 runrabbitrun
Thank you kindly!

141 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:17:13am

Watching the Jones vs. Malkin fight on Screw Loose Change. A couple articles above states that an R68 leader even stepped in to defend...Malkin!?

/flying pig moment...

142 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:18:24am

re: #130 wrenchwench

"cannyman" doesn't like Michael Totten, apparently.

I don't usually check my dings, falls in the don't care category....

Went and check, cannyman ding down just about every one of mine....

Hey, cannyman I'm calling you out!

Get you yellow stripped red ass out her and put up or shut up!

143 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:18:26am

re: #141 laZardo

I was so furious after watching that last night.

144 runrabbitrun  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:19:02am

re: #127 Catttt

Thank God for Michael Totten. He is invaluable in doing the reporting that the MSM doesn't bother with any more.

Keep in mind that he accepts donations (he has a paypal link). You also can subscribe if you want to. All that travel costs money.

What a crime that the anarchist moonbats who travel the world to protest and wreak havoc, and the jihadists who get funding to support their wives and children while they carry out murder have so many billionaire haters to endow them lavishly, while Totten has to work so hard for fewer, smaller donations.

145 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:19:03am

re: #141 laZardo

Watching the Jones vs. Malkin fight on Screw Loose Change. A couple articles above states that an R68 leader even stepped in to defend...Malkin!?

/flying pig moment...

Somebody forgot to leave the conscience at home.

146 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:19:18am

re: #130 wrenchwench

"cannyman" doesn't like Michael Totten, apparently.

Who can take Putin's lies
Sprinkle them in dew
Add spin from FSB
and a miracle or two?

The cannyman can
(The cannyman can)
The cannyman can
'cause his Russian agitprop
makes the bear seem good

147 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:19:36am

re: #110 Kenneth

The 18 UN resolutions kept repeating to Iraq: comply or face serious consequences. I think serious means serious, not just another toothless resolution.

All the resolutions were made and authorized under Article VII - the use of force. Not Article V, which are non-military solutions.

In other words, the serious consequences talked about were not resolutions or sanctions (already in doubt because of OFF), but military force to demand compliance.

148 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:19:55am

Obama from a home in Kansas City: I'm 'here in St. Louis'

I wonder how CNN's McCain Gaffe Watch is going?

149 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:20:04am

re: #138 Ben Hur

Ah. I must've skimmed too fast. Sorry.

150 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:20:06am

re: #114 Salamantis
I knew all of that, but quite candidly forgot about it (information overload, senior moment, whatever).
Thank you for reminding us of those facts.

151 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:20:25am

re: #142 jcm

He dinged me too.

152 cliffster  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:20:38am

re: #135 realwest

What do you expect from NPR - they wouldn't know the truth if it hit 'em in the face.
NPR is sorta OUR BBC - only we don't have to pay fees to keep it going.

Oh we pay them.. every April 15th

153 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:20:47am

re: #138 Ben Hur

But they still turned down Clinton when he asked for their support before bombing them.

Otherwise:

Barry’s Original Nose

I'm not to sure about this.

Tking age into account, I don't see any appreciable difference. Sounds like another birth certificate wild goose chase.

154 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:20:54am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

He dinged me too.

Just about everyone who agreed with Totten...

155 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:21:23am

Obama seeks to silence ad tying him to 60s radical

DENVER (AP) - Barack Obama is striking back fiercely and swiftly to stamp out an ad that links him to a 1960s radical, eager to demonstrate a far more aggressive response to attacks than John Kerry did when faced with the 2004 "Swift Boat" campaign.

Obama not only aired a response ad to the spot linking him to William Ayers, but he sought to block stations the commercial by warning station managers and asking the Justice Department to intervene. The campaign also planned to compel advertisers to pressure stations that continue to air the anti-Obama commercial.

SILENCE MORTAL!

156 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:22:11am

re: #155 Ben Hur

Obama seeks to silence ad tying him to 60s radical


SILENCE MORTAL!

And the article is a total whitewash defense for Obama.

157 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:22:13am

re: #155 Ben Hur

Obama seeks to silence ad tying him to 60s radical


SILENCE MORTAL!

I told you he was a Gou'auld.

158 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:22:21am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

He dinged me too.

Busy little dinger! Maybe his mama put a keylogger on his computer, he's restricted to mouse clicks so mama don't find out.

159 Pyrocles  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:22:29am

Shawn Robert Adolph. Fitting name... No offense to rational "Adolphs" out there :)

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Nazis plan to assassinate Obama....
Plot to Kill Obama: Shoot From High Vantage Point

160 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:22:48am

re: #148 Ben Hur

Obama from a home in Kansas City: I'm 'here in St. Louis'

I wonder how CNN's McCain Gaffe Watch is going?

Yeah, I heard that on the way in this morning. I'm starting to lose track of all Obama's gaffes because he makes so many of them.

161 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:22:52am

re: #153 Ward Cleaver

Tking age into account, I don't see any appreciable difference. Sounds like another birth certificate wild goose chase.

I agree.

Now Hillary's crazy botox change....that's something.

162 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:23:00am

re: #158 jcm

Busy little dinger! Maybe his mama put a keylogger on his computer, he's restricted to mouse clicks so mama don't find out.

I think you scared him off..

163 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:23:33am

re: #155 Ben Hur

Obama seeks to silence ad tying him to 60s radical

SILENCE MORTAL!

Somebody should print some Obama/Ayers '08 bumper stickers.

164 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:23:37am

re: #144 runrabbitrun
I agree and would point out that Charles is sorta in the same situation - you get more news, more accurate news and more intelligent discussion of the news here at LGF, thanks to Charles, than anywhere else.
So while I AM pushing folks to help out Michael Totten, I'd also like to remind folks to hit Charles Tip Jar - under "Tools/Info" on upper left sidebar.

165 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:24:40am

re: #162 scottishbuzzsaw

I think you scared him off..

He's got 22 comments, and skimming through them, they don't look that bad.

166 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:24:46am

re: #155 Ben Hur

Obama seeks to silence ad tying him to 60s radical


SILENCE MORTAL!

The Obamamessiah even has an ad out "denouncing" the ad connecting him to Ayres. I have denouncing in quotes because the Gaffable One never actually addresses the points of the ad.

167 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:24:47am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

Not Goa'uld. Obama's minions are Priors. Hallowed are the Ori.

168 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:26:00am

re: #167 lawhawk

Not Goa'uld. Obama's minions are Priors. Hallowed are the Ori.

Yeah, that fits even better regarding the Chosen Gaffetastic One. :-)

169 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:26:32am

re: #167 lawhawk

Not Goa'uld. Obama's minions are Priors. Hallowed are the Ori.

I kind of dropped SG1 after they kept teleporting over all those sharks.

170 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:26:44am

re: #165 Ward Cleaver

Many do not realize that their dings are not private, and quit dinging when they find out.

171 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:27:17am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Nazis plan to assassinate Obama....
Plot to Kill Obama: Shoot From High Vantage Point

I suppose that it would be cynical of me to wonder how much the Obama campaign paid these idiots?

172 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:27:19am

re: #162 scottishbuzzsaw

I think you scared him off..

Lil 'ole me? I'm a nice lizard, perish the thought he'd run into one the tough lizards.

173 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:27:28am

re: #166 Honorary Yooper

The Obamamessiah even has an ad out "denouncing" the ad connecting him to Ayres.

Which is some pretty inept propaganda, if you ask me. Why would he possibly want to draw MORE attention to the connection?!

174 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:27:58am

The McCain campaign should produce its own "Obama loves Ayers" ad.

175 laZardo  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:28:04am

Moving upthread. This is gonna be some great late-night viewing...

176 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:28:25am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Nazis plan to assassinate Obama....
Plot to Kill Obama: Shoot From High Vantage Point

Based on the photos, the plot apparently involved Vanilla Ice, and Gollum.

177 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:29:21am

re: #173 Occasional Reader

Which is some pretty inept propaganda, if you ask me. Why would he possibly want to draw MORE attention to the connection?!

Because Obama is Gaffetastic?

178 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:30:11am

re: #147 lawhawk

That's a useful detail to know. Thank you.

179 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:30:30am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Nazis plan to assassinate Obama....
Plot to Kill Obama: Shoot From High Vantage Point

Dorks, like Secret Service and DPD don't have every vantage point mapped and covered. And have the vehicle carrying the VIP pull inside when possible.

180 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:33:44am

re: #176 Occasional Reader

Based on the photos, the plot apparently involved Vanilla Ice, and Gollum.

... sighted at 750 yards." How many rounds have they fired at that range?

One of the rifles is listed as stolen from Kansas. My guess meth heads and thieves aren't known for spending range time.

Assclowns. Meth head assclowns.

181 realwest  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:34:19am

re: #155 Ben Hur
Hey Ben - Mom tells me that O'Reilly said something about the Obama campaign pushing the TV portion of the MSM not to air the ad and "indicated" that not only did Obama's campaign threaten to tell their sponsors, but also threatened to yank Fox's credentials at the Dem Convention.
Now I don't like O'Reilly and never watch him anymore, but my Mom is a reliable source and I suspect it's true.
So, in the interests of fairness, I'm linking to a thread Charles put up days ago, which has the ad which has Obama so wound up. It's at:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

182 right_on_target  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:35:18am

re: #46 Cygnus


re: #45 Cygnus
In German, 'toten' means 'to die'. Interesting.

Whoops - I took that literally. I'm not awake yet. Yawn!

die "Toten" means the dead [people].
töten means kill.
Totten might be another spelling in another German dialect -- maybe translated as "Zombie" ! ! ! ! ! !

183 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:37:08am

re: #169 Occasional Reader

I think they actually incorporated sharks into the production company credits.

184 Salamantis  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:37:47am

Wouldn't it be kewl if Zombie were Mrs. Totten?

185 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:44:53am

re: #160 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, I heard that on the way in this morning. I'm starting to lose track of all Obama's gaffes because he makes so many of them.

Of course, the moonbats won't stop ragging on McCain because he didn't remember how many houses he had.

186 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:52:57am

re: #184 Salamantis

Wouldn't it be kewl if Zombie were Mrs. Totten?

Of course, that would depend heavily on zombie's chromosomal arrangements.

(Personally, I think zombie's a she, but I have nothing to back that up)

187 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:53:35am

re: #186 Occasional Reader

(Personally, I think zombie's a she

... although I also entertain the possibility that zombie is really a them.

188 Salamantis  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 9:59:45am

Anyone who has read Michael writing about his wife knows that she's a social liberal, and that there are many Zombie posts she simply would not have made. I was making a joke - but realized that while it might toss people off Zombie's track, it could cause his wife grief for things she had nothing to do with, from those unfamiliar with his wife's political leanings and willing to jump to conclusions from a single post by me on this site. Hence this followup post.

189 Salamantis  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 10:03:50am

From Instapundit:

UPDATE: By a curious coincidence, Totten's site appears to be under cyber-attack. He emails that they're working on it, and I'll make sure it gets a new link when it's fixed. He adds: "I do suspect this is a Russian cyber attack. The hate mail I received from the piece I published at City Journal was absolutely unbelievable, more vicious than anything I have ever received when writing about any topic whatsoever. And that piece was very very mild compared to this one."

190 talking stick  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 10:11:02am

There is an interesting object lesson to the slippery slope of Left wing cant and the denial[suppression] of historical fact in Caroline Glick's Opinion article on Israel's security crises in today's Jerusalem Post.

191 just another four-letter word  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 10:32:59am

re: #24 Kenneth

Bush is sending Dick Cheney to Georgia too. Serious sh*t follows where ever Big Dick goes.

"Speak softly and send out the Big Dick"!

JAFLW

192 deester  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 10:50:56am

Just a quick note -- I'm in Russia and tried to read the article and the Torren site is blocked. I logged in remotely to a computer in another country and am able to access the site. Think Russia is blocking it?

193 deester  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 10:52:24am

sorry, meant to say "totten", not torren

194 TMF  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 10:53:22am

Not just the far left line-

Eleanor Clift (mainstream, dem, Bush hater) and Pat Buchanan (paleo-con, Bush hater) BOTH accepted the Russian version of the story on this weeks McLaughlin Group

Strange bedfellows

195 medaura18586  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 11:06:35am

re: #184 Salamantis

Wouldn't it be kewl if Zombie were Mrs. Totten?

I think Mrs. Johnson would be more credible... :)

Though if Zombie is a she (as I always think of her), she'd probably be one of those ladies who keeps her maiden name.

/wild speculation mode off

196 Wendya  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 11:33:45am

re: #13 runrabbitrun

/worldwide moonbat/leftist convergence

And quite a few people on the right side of the political spectrum.

197 Wendya  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 11:35:17am

re: #18 jcm

Listening to radio.... Obama foreign policy advisor.

We need change BHO has the knowledge and wisdom for foreign policy. Iraq and Afghanistan are failed policies.

What planet do these people live on?

Based on their policies, I'd have to say Uranus.

198 Wendya  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 11:42:07am

re: #105 Kenneth

the French were very much into the scam, too.

Russia, France and Germany.

199 KingKenrod  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 11:46:44am

No one has mentioned the failure of our intelligence services and State Dept. in this.

We have a Secretary of State and former NSA who is an expert on Soviet Russia.

Considering Condoleeza Rice's pedigree, how on earth did the administration allow this to happen?

200 JHW  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 12:08:04pm

Excellent report. Where are the parrots that were justifying Putin's actions here on LGF a few days ago? There is a wealth of information available on smuggling, especially of radioactive materials, in South Ossetia going back quite a while. The so-called government of South Ossetia reminds me of a "family" straight out of "The Godfather".
2006-7 S. Ossetia Focus of Uranium Smuggling

A Smuggler's Story

When the War Ends, Start to Worry
2007 Enriched Uranium Smuggling

South Ossetia , Chekist State

Uranium on the Loose

The "leader" of South Ossetia

201 godfrey  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:04:17pm

That's good reading. Nice work by Totten, as usual.

202 Wondering Aloud  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 7:39:42pm

I don't know what to think, I believe this account in general but the elephant in the room is why are there Osetian rebels in the first place?
Are you two little regions actually predominantly Russian ethnically? Were they made part of Georgia in an arbitrary internal decision within the old Soviet Union? do the people of Osetia have Russian passports instead of Georgian? Are they treated as less than citizens in Georgia?

I don't know what I believe but I know what some educated and informed Russians think from first hand discussions with them, they think the answer to all of those questions is yes. Maybe they are wrong but Putin is going to have the support of the Russian people on this one. Although to me it sounds like Hitler justifying stealing the Sudetenland they absolutely don't see it that way.

203 mph  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:33:42am

re: #1 lawhawk

Lies. They're all damned lies. Pravda says that Georgia instigated, and anything other than what Pravda says is misrepresenting the truth and must be purged from the record. / [do i really?]

Pravda also said this (and much more) about Condi Rice:

The constant arrogance and hypocrisy of this failed female makes it that much more apparent that here is a person way out of her depth. Instead of regarding sensitive issues from a balanced viewpoint as she is supposed to do, this incompetent loud-mouthed, bad-mannered, bullshit-mongering bimbo takes one side, ignores the other and then speaks down from a holier-than-thou platform as if she were on a lecture dias.

This is not a classroom, Condoleezza Rice, and you are not a diplomat. You are a liar, a cheap, shallow, failed, wannabe actress on the diplomatic stage. This is the real world and out here, you have to be prepared to face up to your responsibilities.

[Link: english.pravda.ru...]


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