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Of Democrats and Co-Conspirators

Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:47:40 pm PDT

As we noted earlier this month, the Democratic Party invited a representative from the radical Islamic front group ISNA to participate in an “interfaith service” at the opening of the convention; here’s the Investigative Project’s take on this disgraceful event that went completely unnoticed by mainstream media: Of Democrats and Co-Conspirators.

On Sunday, Ingrid Mattson, the President of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), participated in a “public interfaith service of Christians, Jews, Muslims and Buddhists” at the opening of this week’s Democratic National Convention. While there is nothing wrong with a “public interfaith service” in and of itself, the invited guests and speakers can raise legitimate questions about the motives and mindset of the organizers. Mattson’s presence does just that.

Reporting on Mattson’s appearance, the website for the Arab satellite network Al-Jazeera stated:

Dr Ingrid Mattson, director of the MacDonald Centre for the study of Islam and Christian-Muslim relations in the US state of Connecticut, told the crowd it “saddened” her that “so much out there is being done because of my religion”, but took pains to stress both the work of the US Muslim community with local officials to combat extremism and the support she had from leaders of other faiths.
Aside from reaching out to a handful of naïve Jews and Christians for “interfaith” dialogue, constantly whining about “Islamophobia” and claiming that the U.S. government’s “war against terror” is, in fact, a “war against Islam,” one wonders just what ISNA has done to “combat extremism.”

Mattson’s organization, ISNA, is currently an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest Hamas-fundraising case in U.S. history, against the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF). In petitioning the federal district court in Dallas to remove itself unindicted co-conspirator status, ISNA’s attorneys conceded substantial financial ties to top-Hamas operatives, claiming merely that such documentary evidence dated back to the late ’80s and early ’90s, before Hamas was officially designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. government.

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1 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:49:10pm

Big surprise the MSM ignores it

2 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:49:36pm

The Dems are all about diversity ...

3 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:49:38pm
4 rasachema  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:49:41pm

nice.

5 shibumi  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:50:39pm

Instead of using the vague word "extremism," it would be useful if these apologists/ shills used the word "violence." It would make their lies seem much more plausible to the general public.

/oh wait, there's no violence in Islam, only Islamophobic Americans.

6 rasachema  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:50:47pm

by the way, Big Mac leads in Gallup poll.

7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:51:51pm

DNC, giving Mos Eisley and the UN a run for their money in the wretched hive of scum and villainy department.

8 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:52:05pm

re: #6 rasachema

by the way, Big Mac leads in Gallup poll.

The post-Biden surge sag.

9 gymgal  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:52:11pm

Nothing worse than a convert is there? She should go and spend 10 years living in a Muslim country, then report back. See how she likes having no freedom.....as a woman.

Unbelievable that she was invited, and allowed to speak.

10 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:52:33pm

If those that make the claim that Islam, is indeed the RoPTM do not step up and moderate their rather over enthusiastic brethren, then it may well indeed become a war on Islam.

I wonder if they know this?

11 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:53:02pm

Can our lawyer Lizards explain what an "unindicted co-conspirator" is? I'm confused.

12 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:53:08pm

Democrats would be better off voting for the Norwegian Party.

13 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:53:43pm

Of course the dems would have ISNA come along- they're accustomed to hanging with crooks and thugs as it is.

14 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:54:33pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


What about the UN?

15 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:55:09pm

Mattson’s organization, ISNA, is currently an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest Hamas-fundraising case in U.S. history, against the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF). In petitioning the federal district court in Dallas to remove itself unindicted co-conspirator status, ISNA’s attorneys conceded substantial financial ties to top-Hamas operatives, claiming merely that such documentary evidence dated back to the late ’80s and early ’90s, before Hamas was officially designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. government.

DOH! Of course!

If the U.S. government had just declared Hamas a terrorist organization sooner, they wouldn't have given Hamas a dime....

Now I understand....

/s

16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:55:29pm

re: #14 Fenway_Nation

What about the UN?

I said the UN

17 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:55:53pm

re: #14 Fenway_Nation

What about the UN?

That comment triggered the synapse which brought back the quote from a movie I dearly love... "What about the Twinkee?"

18 arromdee  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:56:05pm

Something that I keep wondering whenever something like this comes up: just what exactly is an unindicted co-conspirator? Where exactly is "unindicted" on the spectrum from "no suspicion" to "probable cause" to "evidence that could convict"? Are suspects usually unindicted because they've found innocent, or do guilty people often remain unindicted because of bureaucracy? Do those who are unindicted eventually get indicted, and if so, can we deduce anything from their failure to be so?

19 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:56:08pm

Is it Islamophobic to fear a surprise attack from countries whose leadership routinely chants "death to America?"

20 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:56:26pm

Good grief! Can the democrats just do one thing that is in the best interest of America for a change?

21 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:56:39pm

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

I'd like to know which Christians and which Jews were dumb enough to buy into this.

The ones dumb enough to be Democrats.

22 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:56:53pm

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

No need, just pull up the list of the usual suspects from both groups. I doubt that the name list has changed that much over the past 8 years.

23 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:57:17pm

And yet they can't make time for the Archbishop of Denver, Cardinal Chaput? Very telling.

24 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:57:23pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Damn....that's what happens when one is too hasty.

How about the Organization of Islamic States?

25 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:57:31pm

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

I'd like to know which Christians and which Jews were dumb enough to buy into this.

There's a bunch who buy into the COEXIST mantra.

26 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:58:15pm

What is an unindicted co-conspirator? How is that different from an unindicted conspirator, or an indicted co-conspirator? I find the legalese incomprehensible.

27 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:59:06pm

Here's the Wiki on Unindicted Co-conspirator

28 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:59:25pm

re: #20 scottishbuzzsaw

Good grief! Can the democrats just do one thing that is in the best interest of America for a change?

They keep nominating the All-Winner's Squad of Gore, Kerry, Messiah, thereby keeping themselves out of the White House.

29 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 1:59:57pm

re: #20 scottishbuzzsaw

Good grief! Can the democrats just do one thing that is in the best interest of America for a change?

That's just it- their idea of what's best for America has been tried elsewhere and failed. But that doesn't stop them from wanting to try it here, because in true progressive fashion, they think man & country can be "perfected".

30 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:00:17pm

We're all just monkeys pushing pedals.
While reverse reality paranoid schizophrenia sweeps the land, the great lie of Islam slips in through the back door while the democrats hold the door.
All in the name of diversity,self-loathing and ignorance.

31 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:00:18pm

re: #2 RedPepper

The Dems are all about diversity ...

Yeah, some want to behead us, while others want to blow us up. Diversity!

32 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:01:22pm

re: #25 jcm

There's a bunch who buy into the COEXIST mantra.

I'll bet you could pick up those bumper stickers there.

33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:01:26pm

re: #24 Fenway_Nation

Damn....that's what happens when one is too hasty.

How about the Organization of Islamic States?

Everyone knows the OIC is full of shit. The others have pretenses of being something their not.

34 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:01:29pm
claiming that the U.S. government’s “war against terror” is, in fact, a “war against Islam,”

If only . . .

35 CapeCoddah  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:01:30pm

Good afternoon everyone.
I found this quote from a lawyer describing "unindictedco- conspirator.

" The prosecutor is saying in essence in court--and they haven't said it yet by the way--but they apparently will--that we believe this man was part of the criminal conspiracy, along with the people who are on trial. We haven't indicted him but the relevance of that for the purposes of the trial is that lets them get in more evidence about the unindicted co-conspirator's or the alleged unindicted co-conspirator's out-of-court statements than they otherwise could. It's a way around the hearsay rule."

36 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:01:42pm

re: #11 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Beer, from what I understand, it is a designation that does not bring a penalty, but assigns a degree of guilt for which cannot be contested in a court of law.

From what I remember reading, it seemed like a pretty genius way to designate these entities without allowing them wiggle room in our courts.

37 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:01:43pm

re: #31 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, some want to behead us, while others want to blow us up. Diversity!

I've often wondered why no one asks the question "What is inherently good about 'Diversity'?"

38 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:02:46pm

Time to go. See y'all tomorrow.

39 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:03:13pm

re: #30 FrogMarch

We're all just monkeys pushing pedals.
While reverse reality paranoid schizophrenia sweeps the land, the great lie of Islam slips in through the back door while the democrats hold the door.
All in the name of diversity,self-loathing and ignorance.

The short version: Gramscian Whores of the Caliphate.

40 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:03:32pm

Hey buzzsawmonkey, have you seen this?

You may want to print it out and show it to your relatives . . .

41 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:03:43pm

re: #31 Ward Cleaver

Maybe while she's in town, the Dems can get Ingrid Mattson to give them some Master Classes in Advanced al-Taqiyya .

/Not that they really need any help in that area ...

42 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:05:26pm

re: #37 eschew_obfuscation

Diversity can be good or bad depending on the context.

Diversity in regards to things like food, art, and music is a good thing. These things are subjective, in that there is no "best" or "worst", just different tastes.
Diversity is not good when dealing with things that are objective, like morality. In that case, there is a right and wrong, and diversity gives airtime to the wrong, which is a bad thing.

Of course, this is just my take on it. I could be wrong.

43 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:05:29pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

That's just it- their idea of what's best for America has been tried elsewhere and failed. But that doesn't stop them from wanting to try it here, because in true progressive fashion, they think man & country can be "perfected".

I know, Shar, I know. I just can't understand the idiocy and their knee-jerk anti-everything-to-do-with-America cant. I love the saying "Whatever's wrong with America can be fixed by what's right with America." For them there is nothing right.

44 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:05:48pm

Incredible stuff on Biden's threat to cut off aid to Israel.

He later proposed, immediately after 911, givng Iran a gift of 200 million.

WTF is this guy smoking?

45 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:05:57pm

re: #39 MandyManners

The short version: Gramscian Whores of the Caliphate.

Indeed.

46 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:06:02pm

Can their status be changed from unindicted to indicted during the re-trial?

47 looking closely  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:06:59pm

re: #11 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Can our lawyer Lizards explain what an "unindicted co-conspirator" is? I'm confused.

Simply put, its exactly like what it sounds.

It someone who is named in an indictment as a conspirator, but not actually formally charged with a crime in the indictment.

This can happen for a variety of reasons, eg: cooperation by the individual in question, lack of evidence to secure a conviction, etc.

And it is a sort of slippery ground, because innocent or guilty, the individual named as such really can't "clear" themselves from the charge.

48 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:07:24pm

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

I'd like to know which Christians and which Jews were dumb enough to buy into this.

Here's the poster child.....

"I am both Muslim and Christian"

Shortly after noon on Fridays, the Rev. Ann Holmes Redding ties on a black headscarf, preparing to pray with her Muslim group on First Hill.

On Sunday mornings, Redding puts on the white collar of an Episcopal priest.

49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:07:29pm

re: #39 MandyManners

The short version: Gramscian Whores of the Caliphate.

Fits in well with the ACCURSED MOUNTEBANK!

50 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:07:51pm

Catholic Bishops Slap the Dems

“As an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time,” Pelosi told NBC’s Tom Brokaw, who had asked her when life begins. “And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And St. Augustine said at three months. We don’t know.”

When Brokaw pointed out that the Catholic church “feels very strongly” that life begins at conception, Pelosi said: “I understand. And this is like maybe 50 years or something like that. So again, over the history of the church, this is an issue of controversy.”

In an interview with FOX News on Tuesday, Archbishop Donald Wuerl said people need to reflect more before they start talking about church doctrine. He also issued a statement calling Pelosi’s explanation of the church’s abortion stance “incorrect.”

“The current teaching of the Catholic Church on human life and abortion is the same teaching as it was 2,000 years ago,” Wuerl noted. “From the beginning, the Catholic Church has respected the dignity of all human life from the moment of conception to natural death.”

Wuerl cited a passage from the church’s catechism that condemns abortion as “gravely contrary to moral law.”

“Since the first century the church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion,” the catechism states. “This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable.”

“That debate in our church has not morphed, but changed over a thousand years,” Biden said. “It always is viewed by the church as something that is wrong, but there’s been gradations of whether it was wrong. You know, from venial or mortal sin, as we Catholics say, and versions of it.”

But Biden added that since Pope Pius IX’s reign (1846-1878), “it’s been pretty clear that’s been automatic — moment of conception.”

Over the weekend, Biden’s pro-choice views raised the ire of Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput.

“I presume that his integrity will lead him to refrain from presenting himself for communion, if he supports a false ‘right’ to abortion,” Chaput told The Associated Press.

As for Pelosi, Chaput called her “a gifted public servant of strong convictions and many professional skills. Regrettably, knowledge of Catholic history and teaching does not seem to be one of them.”

Chaput added that abortion “is always gravely evil, and so are the evasions employed to justify it.”

Heh!

51 Alouette  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:08:23pm
52 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:08:53pm

Palestinian imprisons mentally ill children for 20 years

Something tells me this won't get the coverage that the Austrian did.

53 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:08:54pm

re: #45 FrogMarch

Indeed.

Yours is more eloquent.

54 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:09:14pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fits in well with the ACCURSED MOUNTEBANK!

Bacon-eating knave.

55 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:09:16pm

re: #48 jcm

Being the DIL of an Episcopal bishop, I am not in the least surprised.

56 looking closely  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:09:47pm

re: #46 Ben Hur

Can their status be changed from unindicted to indicted during the re-trial?

If you've never been charged, you can't be tried, and therefore can't have a re-trial.

But I believe in principle individuals named as conspirators but not indicted can still later be indicted (eg if more evidence emerges, etc).

57 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:10:19pm

re: #42 paradox42

The diversity-mongers would rush to assert that there is no “objective morality”.

Nor “objective” anything else, I would be willing to bet ...

58 opnion  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:10:26pm

The Dems think that if they just show openess & acceptance that all in Islam will be calm.
It is kind of lack Barry charging that Putin invaded Georgia, because the U.S set a bad example in Iraq. It is always our fault

59 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:10:40pm

re: #43 scottishbuzzsaw

I know, Shar, I know. I just can't understand the idiocy and their knee-jerk anti-everything-to-do-with-America cant. I love the saying "Whatever's wrong with America can be fixed by what's right with America." For them there is nothing right.

In order for fascists progressives to take power, the system must be broken in order for the solution to be necessary. Therefore, everything to the American fascists progressives they see working in America has to be demonized as broken, wrong, or ineffective.

60 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:10:43pm

re: #52 Ben Hur

When asked about the nature of their illness, he had this to say:

"I asked them if they hate the Jews and they said no."

What a twisted society.

61 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:11:05pm

re: #42 paradox42

Diversity can be good or bad depending on the context.

Diversity in regards to things like food, art, and music is a good thing. These things are subjective, in that there is no "best" or "worst", just different tastes.
Diversity is not good when dealing with things that are objective, like morality. In that case, there is a right and wrong, and diversity gives airtime to the wrong, which is a bad thing.

Of course, this is just my take on it. I could be wrong.

I don't disagree with your definition.

That's not the one in common use, however. In common use, it is my sense that there is the assumption that ALL diversity is inherently good.

62 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:11:29pm

re: #44 Maine's Michael

WOW there is really so much more in the small quote then you lead on. I have been told the Begin was the last real leader of Israel...but this quote proves it (if true).

My favorite quote, and something Olmert should read every night before he goes to bed (if he isn't going to do Shem'a he might as well read something)

When the senator raised his voice and banged twice on the table with
his fist, Begin commented to him: “This desk is designed for writing,
not for fists. Don’t threaten us with slashing aid. Do you think
that because the US lends us money it is entitled to impose on us what
we must do? We are grateful for the assistance we have received, but
we are not to be threatened. I am a proud Jew. Three thousand years
of culture are behind me, and you will not frighten me with threats.
Take note: we do not want a single soldier of yours to die for us.”

63 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:12:03pm

re: #51 Alouette

I'd like to take some of my co-religionists out to the woodshed for a good slap session - or a cheek pinch from hell.

64 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:12:30pm
65 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:13:26pm

re: #56 looking closely

If you've never been charged, you can't be tried, and therefore can't have a re-trial.

But I believe in principle individuals named as conspirators but not indicted can still later be indicted (eg if more evidence emerges, etc).


I meant during the Holy Land Foundation trial.

66 jorline  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:13:41pm

re: #44 Maine's Michael

Incredible stuff on Biden's threat to cut off aid to Israel.

He later proposed, immediately after 911, givng Iran a gift of 200 million.

WTF is this guy smoking?

Nice find...I would like to see an original achieved manuscript sent to the GOP. Was there a link with this comment?

67 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:14:21pm

re: #19 experiencedtraveller

Is it Islamophobic to fear a surprise attack from countries whose leadership routinely chants "death to America?"


yes, and racist too.

68 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:14:30pm

re: #61 eschew_obfuscation

I don't disagree with your definition.

That's not the one in common use, however. In common use, it is my sense that there is the assumption that ALL diversity is inherently good.

Yes - that is precisely what they want you to think.

69 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:14:43pm

re: #65 Ben Hur

I meant during the Holy Land Foundation trial.

You mean the one that Skeletor Colmes still believed ended with not guilty verdicts across the board?

70 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:14:49pm

re: #61 eschew_obfuscation

The left likes to change the meaning of words to suit its needs. Diversity is a perfect example of this. Take a word that has a specific meaning, attach moral value to the word, and denounce as evil anyone who questions.

71 looking closely  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:15:06pm

re: #61 eschew_obfuscation

I don't disagree with your definition.

That's not the one in common use, however. In common use, it is my sense that there is the assumption that ALL diversity is inherently good.

With the inverse correlate to that being that all "discrimination" is bad.

When in fact, the word "discrimination" simply means the perception of difference.

The politically correct implication here being that there can be no possible differences between any groups of people, and that discerning any, is ipso facto wrong.

72 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:15:19pm

re: #59 Sharmuta

In order for fascists progressives to take power, the system must be broken in order for the solution to be necessary. Therefore, everything to the American fascists progressives they see working in America has to be demonized as broken, wrong, or ineffective.


It really is that simple, isn't it? I was trying too hard...

73 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:15:40pm

re: #60 paradox42

When asked about the nature of their illness, he had this to say:

"I asked them if they hate the Jews and they said no."

What a twisted society.

And Israel is supposed to make peace with them!
STFU, Condi, asking for more concessions from Israel but nothing from the terrorists.
Keep going this way, and you will do more than tarnish Bush's legacy.

74 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:15:45pm

re: #62 WrathofG-d

He is the closest we came to having a real leader.

The American Jewish hierarchy didn't like him. Found his accent and yiddishisms embarrassing.

At the end of the day, he gave the Sinai, with all its space and riches, to egypt, without at at a minimum forcing them to take Gaza back with it, and so, here we sit, with the albatross of gaza around our necks . . .

75 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:15:49pm
76 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:15:51pm

re: #69 loppyd

How on earth does Skeletor find work?

77 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:15:58pm

re: #48 jcm

she's already Christian and Muslim, I see no reason why she cant be Jewish and Hindu as well. the Budhists may balk though.

78 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:16:08pm
79 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:16:51pm

Obama is going to waste his time in Montana while his numbers continue to drop. There is something to be said for running against such an arrogant bastard.

80 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:17:14pm

re: #76 Fenway_Nation

How on earth does Skeletor find work?

Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe has has some serious dirt on the execs at Fox..... LOL

Big series starting tonight.

81 opnion  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:17:15pm

re: #71 looking closely

With the inverse correlate to that being that all "discrimination" is bad.

When in fact, the word "discrimination" simply means the perception of difference.

The politically correct implication here being that there can be no possible differences between any groups of people, and that discerning any, is ipso facto wrong.


Celebrate diversity, but if you notice any differences you are a bigot!

82 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:17:20pm

Israel to Show Dead Sea Scrolls on the Internet

Zionist Plot

/Columbia School of Archeology.

83 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:17:31pm
84 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:17:42pm

re: #74 Maine's Michael

Fair enough....but him you cannot blame for taking a risk for peace. He didn't have all the other failed attempts behind him to know the difference.

His quote is wonderful though...really.....something WE could all use a little bit of. Yiddishisms or not.

85 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:17:57pm

New Gallup - McCain 46, Obama 44
McCain leads in Florida, tied in Ohio

86 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:17:59pm
87 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:17:59pm

re: #77 Eowyn2

she's already Christian and Muslim, I see no reason why she cant be Jewish and Hindu as well. the Budhists may balk though.

Did you hear about the cannibal who ate a Jesuit for breakfast, a Baptist for lunch, and a Mormon missionary for dinner?

The next morning he had an ecumenical movement.

*ducks*

88 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:18:25pm

re: #62 WrathofG-d

When the senator raised his voice and banged twice on the table with
his fist, Begin commented to him: “This desk is designed for writing,
not for fists. Don’t threaten us with slashing aid. Do you think
that because the US lends us money it is entitled to impose on us what
we must do? We are grateful for the assistance we have received, but
we are not to be threatened. I am a proud Jew. Three thousand years
of culture are behind me, and you will not frighten me with threats.
Take note: we do not want a single soldier of yours to die for us.”

That's an elegant way to say "Fuck you!"

89 Canadian Guy  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:18:38pm

I'm watching MSNBC right now and a large group of 9/11 trusthers are trying to shout down Chris Matthews. Who to pull for?

90 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:19:12pm

Mob-loan figure speaks at convention for agent of Hope and Change

Barack Obama told the Ways and Means chair that he had no room for a few words from Rangel, but instead allowed his friend and fundraiser speak on Obama’s behalf. Unfortunately, this highlights another embarrassing connection to crime and corruption in Obama’s past, as Giannoulias figured in a series of loans he personally approved to an organized crime figure in Chicago:

I know I know, this is just how things work in Chicago politics.

And the Michael Vick thing was cultural.

I get it.

91 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:19:16pm

re: #80 loppyd

Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe has has some serious dirt on the execs at Fox..... LOL

Big series starting tonight.

Relax. Even if we ( Yankees ) sweep, were still deep in the hole. And we ain't so good or lucky this year to sweep. It's the curse of the A-Rod.
We ain't never winning again till he is gone.

92 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:19:23pm

re: #83 buzzsawmonkey

In the meantime, in one of today's spinoff links is the news that Condi is pressuring Olmert (not that he needs much pressure) to re-divide Jerusalem.

Condi is the worst thing to happen to American foreign policy since Carter's day

93 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:19:29pm

re: #83 buzzsawmonkey

It will happen.

I say we divide Washington D.C. with the British too.

And while we are at it....Saudi Arabia should split Medina with Jews as it was once a majority Jewish city....and maybe we can split Georgia with Russia...

94 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:19:42pm
95 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:19:43pm

re: #80 loppyd

Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe has has some serious dirt on the execs at Fox..... LOL

Big series starting tonight.

Final appearence in The House That Ruth Built Epstein Demolished?

Bigger series this weekend versus the Southside Sox....

96 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:19:47pm

re: #70 paradox42

The left likes to change the meaning of words to suit its needs. Diversity is a perfect example of this. Take a word that has a specific meaning, attach moral value to the word, and denounce as evil anyone who questions.

Good point.

And I believe the primary reason the left likes Diversity by the broader definition, is that they can claim that any behavior or value is morally equivalent to any other......that the behavior/value cannot be judged 'bad' ....only 'different' and should therefore be accepted as equal.

Diversity + Moral Equivalence = Rules for thee, but not me.

97 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:19:55pm

re: #88 MandyManners

That's an elegant way to say "Fuck you!"

Did you see my posts to you about the WAB last night?

I was shut out of LGF shortly thereafter....

98 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:19:56pm

re: #76 Fenway_Nation

How on earth does Skeletor find work?

Apart form his annoying knee jerk defense of any criticism of The One, he is extremely funny, occasionally, in his end of show quips with Hannity.

He is 5 times smarter than Hannity, and doesn't truly believe most of what he says in defense of Obama - in my opinion.


He has a role to play on the show, is all, I believe.

99 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:20:10pm

re: #89 Canadian Guy

I'm watching MSNBC right now and a large group of 9/11 trusthers are trying to shout down Chris Matthews. Who to pull for?

I'm watching it, too. Buncha' fucking morons.

100 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:20:34pm

re: #82 Ben Hur

Israel to Show Dead Sea Scrolls on the Internet

Zionist Plot

/Columbia School of Archeology.

Is that gonna be in cliff note form or transliteration?

101 Canadian Guy  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:20:54pm

re: #99 MandyManners

I'm watching it, too. Buncha' fucking morons.

They're so unhinged it deserves it's own thread.

102 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:21:10pm

re: #89 Canadian Guy

I'm watching MSNBC right now and a large group of 9/11 trusthers are trying to shout down Chris Matthews. Who to pull for?

A freak lightning strike?

103 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:21:31pm

re: #88 MandyManners


Yes. But so much more than that. It says that the "Ghetto Jew" of old is dead and that the world is going to HAVE to deal with a self respecting Jew who stands on his own two feet with his head held high, not dispite, but BECAUSE he is a Jew. It was the Zionist dream personified....an equal at the table.

Embarrassingly, Olmert, Rabin, Bibi, etc., have turned the clock back and grovels.

104 Canadian Guy  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:21:50pm

re: #102 Nevergiveup

A freak lightning strike?

Or a tornado.

105 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:21:57pm

re: #95 Fenway_Nation

Final appearence in The House That Ruth Built Epstein Demolished?

Bigger series this weekend versus the Southside Sox....

My guess is that the Sox will take two of the three....

106 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:21:59pm

re: #103 WrathofG-d

Yes. But so much more than that. It says that the "Ghetto Jew" of old is dead and that the world is going to HAVE to deal with a self respecting Jew who stands on his own two feet with his head held high, not dispite, but BECAUSE he is a Jew. It was the Zionist dream personified....an equal at the table.

Embarrassingly, Olmert, Rabin, Bibi, etc., have turned the clock back and grovels.

Bibi?

107 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:22:00pm

re: #89 Canadian Guy

I'm watching MSNBC right now and a large group of 9/11 trusthers are trying to shout down Chris Matthews. Who to pull for?

I've been watching Fox - the Dems are going absolutely bonkers over reports that they are going to have their Hillary vote at breakfast or that she will cut off the vote after New York or some such. Gloria Alred is a Hill delegate. She asked for permission to speak, first to her California delegation and then to just Hill supporters and was refused, so she is walking around the convention floor wearing a gag and a sign.

Schism.
/Get out the popcorn boys and girls!

108 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:22:01pm
109 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:22:05pm

re: #97 loppyd

Did you see my posts to you about the WAB last night?

I was shut out of LGF shortly thereafter....

I musta' missed it!

110 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:22:35pm

re: #83 buzzsawmonkey

In the meantime, in one of today's spinoff links is the news that Condi is pressuring Olmert (not that he needs much pressure) to re-divide Jerusalem.

I would hope that we never have an affirmative action SecState again.

Of course, first we have to dodge the MSM's attempt to give us an affirmative action President.

111 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:22:48pm

re: #91 Nevergiveup

Relax. Even if we ( Yankees ) sweep, were still deep in the hole. And we ain't so good or lucky this year to sweep. It's the curse of the A-Rod.
We ain't never winning again till he is gone.

My favorite A-Rod post season stat:

Lower batting average than Dike K.

LOL

112 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:22:55pm

re: #101 Canadian Guy

They're so unhinged it deserves it's own thread.

I wonder if Zombie has a video camera there.

113 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:23:07pm

ooops! Not dike....DICE.

LOLOLOL

114 offendi  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:23:15pm

The Democratic convention is a matter of re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

However the people on LGF need to make it so. Conservative commentators and bloggers in New York and LA need to run with this story. As well as those in other areas of the country with a significant Jewish population.

Obama is not getting much traction if any from this thing. The more time people invest the more likely it is that this inexperienced and un-qualified candidate ends up in the dust bin of Presidential history.

It is up to you people to disseminate the truths, personally, through e-mail, and postings on numerous sites.

115 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:23:19pm

re: #106 Ben Hur

he is better than most these days...but he is NO Zionist pioneer. Could you really see him telling a U.S. Senator, or President to take his money and shove it?

I couldn't.

116 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:23:40pm

re: #92 galloping granny

Condi is the worst thing to happen to American foreign policy since Carter's day

You notice how no one is saying Bush is a great friend of Israel any more?
Condi needs to go.
I need to write a letter to Bush telling him so.
But I think if Bush stops this faux-peace process, the Saudis will jack the oil prices up again.

117 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:23:42pm
But this point should be made clear: one month before ISNA's president participated at an "interfaith" service to kick off the Democratic National Convention, her organization's website contained the line: "The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them." That has been on ISNA's website for years. That is all you need to know about ISNA's "interfaith" bona fides. If only the organizers of the Democratic National Convention cared about such sentiments.

It's not that the dems don't care- it's that they're oblivious.

118 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:23:43pm

re: #91 Nevergiveup

It's the curse of the A-Rod.
We ain't never winning again till he is gone.

Which is why I was thrilled to hear you guys re-signed him after that petulant, narcissistic announcement of Free agency during game 4 of the World Series last year.

/Tom Hicks might've been happier

119 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:23:49pm

re: #105 loppyd

My guess is that the Sox will take two of the three....

My guess is that win or lose, the Sox will win all three.

120 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:23:51pm

re: #109 MandyManners

I musta' missed it!

I linked to Michelle Malkin's mock WAB speech. Very funny - I bet it's still up there.

121 Canadian Guy  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:24:14pm

These Troofers have been screaming at the top of their lungs for 25 minutes.

"9/11 was an inside job"

122 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:24:22pm

re: #103 WrathofG-d

Yes. But so much more than that. It says that the "Ghetto Jew" of old is dead and that the world is going to HAVE to deal with a self respecting Jew who stands on his own two feet with his head held high, not dispite, but BECAUSE he is a Jew. It was the Zionist dream personified....an equal at the table.

Embarrassingly, Olmert, Rabin, Bibi, etc., have turned the clock back and grovels.

Admittedly, I'm not versed in Israeli politics but, I've never seen Netanyahu as a groveller. Is Ehud Barak?

123 Know Your Enemy  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:24:26pm

re: #54 MandyManners

Bacon-eating knave.

My ears are burning.

124 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:24:40pm

re: #113 loppyd

ooops! Not dike....DICE.

LOLOLOL

Well I figured you meant Dice k or it was a mispelled reference to a Jew?
/

125 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:24:46pm

re: #103 WrathofG-d

It's strange that the Jews with the "ghetto" mentality are those who've never lived in the ghetto. And the Jews without the mentality are the ones who did.

126 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:25:10pm

re: #67 Eowyn2

yes, and racist too.

Honored to be in good company!

127 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:25:17pm

re: #116 Kosh's Shadow

You notice how no one is saying Bush is a great friend of Israel any more?
Condi needs to go.
I need to write a letter to Bush telling him so.
But I think if Bush stops this faux-peace process, the Saudis will jack the oil prices up again.

I have said right along here - repeatedly - since the end of the most recent Lebanon-Israel war that Bush has become simply a mouthpiece. It is Condi who is calling the shots here.

128 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:25:24pm

re: #107 galloping granny

I've been watching Fox - the Dems are going absolutely bonkers over reports that they are going to have their Hillary vote at breakfast or that she will cut off the vote after New York or some such. Gloria Alred is a Hill delegate. She asked for permission to speak, first to her California delegation and then to just Hill supporters and was refused, so she is walking around the convention floor wearing a gag and a sign.

Schism.
/Get out the popcorn boys and girls!

Alred with a gag? NEVERRRRRRRRRR.

129 opnion  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:25:25pm

re: #98 Maine's Michael

Apart form his annoying knee jerk defense of any criticism of The One, he is extremely funny, occasionally, in his end of show quips with Hannity.

He is 5 times smarter than Hannity, and doesn't truly believe most of what he says in defense of Obama - in my opinion.


He has a role to play on the show, is all, I believe.

You should hear his radio program he is as mean as a snake & twice as nasty

130 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:25:53pm

re: #53 MandyManners

Yours is more eloquent.

I don't know about that - but thank you.

I feel like punching the wall after watching this:
Michelle Malkin threatened and harassed by paranoid thug Alex Jones.
He makes my blood boil.

131 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:25:59pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Is modern Hebrew close enough to ancient Hebrew that "normal" people could read scrolls?

132 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:25:59pm

re: #121 Canadian Guy

These Troofers have been screaming at the top of their lungs for 25 minutes.

"9/11 was an inside job"

I think I agree with them.....

The planes went into the buildings, and they collapsed from the inside.

133 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:26:13pm

Dick Morris - Clintons are hogging the spotlight. . . .

134 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:26:33pm

re: #120 loppyd

I linked to Michelle Malkin's mock WAB speech. Very funny - I bet it's still up there.

I'll go look.

135 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:26:35pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Is modern Hebrew close enough to ancient Hebrew that "normal" people could read scrolls?

What is your definition of Normal?

136 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:26:51pm

re: #128 MandyManners

Alred with a gag? NEVERRRRRRRRRR.

Seriously. Unbelievable.

137 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:27:05pm

re: #122 MandyManners

Barak of today? Yes probably. Bibi, although better than most these days has what one would call a "more refined" Zionist personality. Ie: Zionism light. He talks the talk, but doesn't really walk the walk. He talks tough to get elected. As I see it, same with Ehud these days.

They are all self interested, corrupt politicians. To me, the only people I could see saying the same thing Begin said to a U.S. Senator today are either Lieberman and Marzel.

138 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:27:06pm

re: #123 Know Your Enemy

My ears are burning.

Well, as long as it isn't your bacon.

139 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:27:13pm

re: #133 galloping granny

Dick Morris - Clintons are hogging the spotlight. . . .

And did he expect anything different?

It's a three ring circus, folks, and that's just inside the Pepsi Center. Then there's the freakshows and sideshows that Zombie covers outside.

140 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:27:15pm

re: #135 Nevergiveup

What is your definition of Normal?

Anyone without a first name of Abby.....

141 Canadian Guy  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:27:17pm

re: #133 galloping granny

Dick Morris - Clintons are hogging the spotlight. . . .

Excellent insight.

142 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:27:41pm

re: #124 Nevergiveup

Well I figured you meant Dice k or it was a mispelled reference to a Jew?
/

Oy. Nevah - your people are my sisters and brothas. :~)

Even if you're a Yankees fan.

143 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:28:24pm

ROFLMAO!

Hannity man on the street in Denver.


Marijuana smoker need reparations!
144 Know Your Enemy  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:28:34pm

re: #138 MandyManners

Well, as long as it isn't your bacon.

Never!

/plenty to go 'round

145 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:28:43pm

re: #135 Nevergiveup

I'm just wondering if the average modern Hebrew speaker could read them of if you have to be an expert is some ancient form of Hebrew.

146 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:28:46pm

re: #125 paradox42

It's strange that the Jews with the "ghetto" mentality are those who've never lived in the ghetto. And the Jews without the mentality are the ones who did.

Those that were there know why we say "Never Again" and thus live it. Those that weren't know only of "Never Again" as a charge for reformist "Tikkun Olam".

147 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:29:06pm

re: #140 jcm

Anyone without a first name of Abby.....

Abby someone?

148 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:29:48pm

re: #85 galloping granny

New Gallup - McCain 46, Obama 44
McCain leads in Florida, tied in Ohio

THIS POLL WAS TAKEN AFTER BIDEN WAS ANOUNCED SO JOEY GOT A NEGATIVE BOUNCE COOL

149 Canadian Guy  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:29:49pm

Is their anything these Troofers don't ruin?

150 rain of lead  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:30:12pm

re: #90 Ben Hur

Mob-loan figure speaks at convention for agent of Hope and Change


I know I know, this is just how things work in Chicago politics.

And the Michael Vick thing was cultural.

I get it.

I was about to link to this, read the story, Holy Shit! batman
the stench from these guys is worse than those hippies zombie was hanging out with last night.

151 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:30:21pm

re: #142 loppyd

Oy. Nevah - your people are my sisters and brothas. :~)

Even if you're a Yankees fan.

Were all gonna need alot of humor to get thru this convention sane or in my case semi-sane.

152 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:30:51pm

re: #128 MandyManners

Alred with a gag? NEVERRRRRRRRRR.

I'd rather she wore a bag.

153 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:31:06pm

Romney: I own less houses than John Kerry. LOL

Among other things, Romney, looking thin and tan, said Obama made a serious tactical error when he made fun of McCain not immediately listing the number of homes he and his wife own.
"It was wrong, offensive. John McCain is a true-blooded hero. All Americans see this as the politics of envy, and it will not be successful in the final analysis," said Romney.

All Obama did in that political flare-up was point to his own housing record — "Obama got a special deal from a convicted felon" — who helped the Obamas buy a lot next to their new house.

"Every effort to portray John McCain as someone who doesn't connect with the American people will fall extraordinarily short; just as the efforts to say he is a continuation of George Bush.

"The American people recognize that is total baloney. They know that John McCain was a maverick in the Senate" who voted against Bush's wishes "on major" issues of the day.

Asked how many homes Romney owns (he is worth hundreds of millions of dollars) Romney said: "Four, one less than John Kerry," the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee. One of Romney's homes, by the way, is in Deer Valley, Utah.

154 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:31:18pm

re: #130 FrogMarch

I don't know about that - but thank you.

I feel like punching the wall after watching this:
Michelle Malkin threatened and harassed by paranoid thug Alex Jones.
He makes my blood boil.

I skipped to 4:30. He's an animal. Michelle Malkin has more class than I.I'd have been tempted to smack him in his gob.

155 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:31:48pm

re: #115 WrathofG-d

he is better than most these days...but he is NO Zionist pioneer. Could you really see him telling a U.S. Senator, or President to take his money and shove it?

I couldn't.

Clinton called him an obstacle to peace (and lied about him) because he wanted the Palis to impliment ONE thing from Oslo before he made a move.

156 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:31:56pm

re: #136 galloping granny

Seriously. Unbelievable.

Doesn't it smear her lipstick?!

157 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:32:01pm

re: #150 rain of lead

I was about to link to this, read the story, Holy Shit! batman
the stench from these guys is worse than those hippies zombie was hanging out with last night.

In Chicago, The Outfit answers to the city government.

158 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:32:26pm

re: #154 MandyManners

I skipped to 4:30. He's an animal. Michelle Malkin has more class than I.I'd have been tempted to smack him in his gob.

You would have yielded to temptation, yes?

159 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:32:32pm

re: #137 WrathofG-d

Marzel? Who's he?

160 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:32:39pm

re: #151 Nevergiveup

Were all gonna need alot of humor to get thru this convention sane or in my case semi-sane.

sanity is overrated....

161 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:32:48pm

Just confirms that Democrats can't be trusted with the defense of this natio0n.

162 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:33:07pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Is modern Hebrew close enough to ancient Hebrew that "normal" people could read scrolls?

The Dead Sea Scrolls are written in Arabic.

/

163 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:33:15pm

re: #133 galloping granny

Dick Morris - Clintons are hogging the spotlight. . . .

Like Susan Estrich said: "The Clintons always suck all the air out of the room."
(or something close to that)

164 opnion  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:33:21pm

re: #105 loppyd

My guess is that the Sox will take two of the three....

They're both Sox. Two good teams, but I have the White Sox two out of three. we'll see

165 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:33:39pm

re: #146 WrathofG-d

Unfortunately, there's nothing quite like a direct dose of antisemitism to cure one of that coexist bullshit.

The liberal Jews I know have never been called the k word, never had swatstikas carved into their bedposts, never been called "oven stuffer", and never been threatened with death for being Jewish. They don't believe it exists, or they cope via self-hatred.

166 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:33:40pm

re: #162 Ben Hur

The Dead Sea Scrolls are written in Arabic.

/

Arabic or Aramaic? I thought Aramaic?

167 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:33:42pm

re: #122 MandyManners

Admittedly, I'm not versed in Israeli politics but, I've never seen Netanyahu as a groveller. Is Ehud Barak?

BIBI would make a great minister of defence or f.p. not sure about as prime minister he failed at that in the past. but anyone would be an improvement over the 'apres sharon' kedima

168 Alouette  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:33:53pm

re: #106 Ben Hur

Bibi?

Bibi gave away Hebron.

169 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:34:00pm

re: #156 MandyManners

Doesn't it smear her lipstick?!

I think she is seriously pissed.

170 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:34:07pm

re: #152 Ward Cleaver

I'd rather she wore a bag.

She's not bad looking.

171 rain of lead  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:34:24pm

re: #157 Honorary Yooper

yeah, it's one thing to happen in Chicago but to see this played out on a national stage.... :0

172 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:34:32pm

re: #150 rain of lead

I was about to link to this, read the story, Holy Shit! batman
the stench from these guys is worse than those hippies zombie was hanging out with last night.

Oh, BTW, did I mention that this Giannoulias is our Illinois State Treasurer? He is indeed.

Crooks in charge of the money. What can possibly go wrong?

173 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:34:32pm

re: #168 Alouette

Bibi gave away Hebron.

Not all of it.

174 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:34:57pm

re: #76 Fenway_Nation

How on earth does Skeletor find work?

stellar personality disorder.

175 offendi  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:35:11pm

re: #103 WrathofG-d

Savlanut, or "patience" my friend.

There are many Israelis that take the words of Hatikvah, The Israeli National Anthem,

" lihyot am hofshi, b'aretzenu, aretz zion, yerushalayim" - to be a free people in our country, the land of zion and jerusalem" much more seriously than Ehud Olmert, the freier.

176 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:35:23pm

re: #171 rain of lead

yeah, it's one thing to happen in Chicago but to see this played out on a national stage.... :0

It might finally expose to the nation the bullshit that goes on here.

177 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:35:30pm

re: #158 scottishbuzzsaw

You would have yielded to temptation, yes?

Not with all those cameras!

178 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:35:36pm

re: #168 Alouette

Hebron is an interesting case. Only in Israel could the descendants of people who lived in a place for 3000 STRAIGHT YEARS be called settlers, while the SOB's who stole the land in the first place are called indigenous.

179 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:35:47pm

re: #167 yochanan

BIBI would make a great minister of defence or f.p. not sure about as prime minister he failed at that in the past. but anyone would be an improvement over the 'apres sharon' kedima

He failed because CLINTON was in office.

The Israelis had an insane love affair with Bill Clinton.

They still think that he told them the truth even though he so easily lied to his own people.

180 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:35:55pm

(Via Hot Air)

Bill Clinton - he's for Obama. No, really he is.

Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again Tuesday.
The former president, speaking in Denver, posed a hypothetical question in which he seemed to suggest that that the Democratic Party was making a mistake in choosing Obama as its presidential nominee.
He said: “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause: “This has nothing to do with what’s going on now.”

181 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:36:14pm

re: #158 scottishbuzzsaw

You would have yielded to temptation, yes?

I might be tempted to find out where he's saying and pull the flaming-bag-of-poop trick on him.

182 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:36:16pm

re: #155 Ben Hur

So you see him in the same vain as Begin, or Ben-Gurion etc? I really don't know too much about Bibi per se except that when he was in charge in many ways he followed the same failed "land for peace" nonsense.

183 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:36:31pm

re: #130 FrogMarch

I don't know about that - but thank you.

I feel like punching the wall after watching this:
Michelle Malkin threatened and harassed by paranoid thug Alex Jones.
He makes my blood boil.

Time for some blood pressure meds...

Jones is obviously a self-appointed superior being who blanked out the fact that in a truly civilized society one simply does not incite violence violence against women, let alone a really petite lady who might hit 90 pounds while soaking wet. No matter how much one may politically disagree with them.

Obviously in the "revolutionary" era such niceties are no longer relevant to such self-appointed heroes. Nor is it practical for proper gentlemen to stand up and pound such vermin as Jones into a bloody pulp. After all such assholes now have attorneys on speed-dial. And proper gentlemen who stand up for woman and decency in general would be subject to action in criminal and civil courts.

184 Hoosierhoops  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:36:41pm

re: #113 loppyd

ooops! Not dike....DICE.

LOLOLOL


That was funny Loppyd..
Are you sure you are not having deep seated issues?
/ i have to add this because some lizards today seem a little testy and lack any sense of humor today..
It's a joke friend

185 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:36:52pm

re: #181 MandyManners

I might be tempted to find out where he's saying and pull the flaming-bag-of-poop trick on him.

Okay, that works too!

186 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:37:01pm

re: #180 loppyd

Clinton, Inc. has nothing up it's sleeve, nothing at all.....

187 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:37:38pm

Papyrus studies. Awesome stuff.

188 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:37:42pm

re: #167 yochanan

BIBI would make a great minister of defence or f.p. not sure about as prime minister he failed at that in the past. but anyone would be an improvement over the 'apres sharon' kedima

Heck, I'd be better than Olmert and I'm not even Jewish.

189 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:37:59pm

re: #165 paradox42

That is exactly right. (the first part). Anti-Semitism to them is conceptual and only comes from a German with a shaved head, or bucket hat.

But that is their hippy, moronic, reform parent's fault...they taught them to be good Liberals...but not good people or Jews.

190 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:38:10pm

re: #166 Nevergiveup

Aramaic and biblical Hebrew.

Of course, if you ask Dubya's and Condi's 'good friend and man of peace' Abu Mazen, he will tell you they were written by palestinians.

191 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:38:22pm

re: #169 galloping granny

I think she is seriously pissed.

The Democrats are restricting freedom of speech?

192 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:38:58pm

re: #186 jcm

Clinton, Inc. has nothing up it's sleeve, nothing at all.....

Are you channeling the man behind the curtain in Wizard of Oz?

193 Alouette  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:39:01pm

re: #188 MandyManners

Heck, I'd be better than Olmert and I'm not even Jewish.

Mandy you are a much better Jew than Olmert!

194 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:39:27pm

re: #178 paradox42

Hebron is an interesting case. Only in Israel could the descendants of people who lived in a place for 3000 STRAIGHT YEARS be called settlers, while the SOB's who stole the land in the first place are called indigenous.

When the rights of Jews are involved, Bizzaro Logic Rules apply.

195 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:39:38pm

re: #186 jcm

Clinton, Inc. has nothing up it's sleeve, nothing at all.....

Did they work out a deal on the roll call yet?

196 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:39:55pm

re: #163 FrogMarch

Like Susan Estrich said: "The Clintons always suck all the air out of the room."
(or something close to that)

Oh, so Monica was only trying to catch her breath then.

197 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:40:11pm

re: #182 WrathofG-d

So you see him in the same vain as Begin, or Ben-Gurion etc? I really don't know too much about Bibi per se except that when he was in charge in many ways he followed the same failed "land for peace" nonsense.

No one is in the same league as Begin.

I gather you've read Revolution?

198 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:40:15pm

re: #193 Alouette

Mandy you are a much better Jew than Olmert!

Mandy, your probably also a much better Jew than Herod. But he sure was a good builder!

199 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:40:15pm

re: #180 loppyd

(Via Hot Air)

Bill Clinton - he's for Obama. No, really he is.

LOL! Never in my life could I imagine saying this but, GO BILL!

200 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:40:16pm

re: #166 Nevergiveup

aramic and hebrew NOT ARABIC

201 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:40:40pm

re: #184 Hoosierhoops

That was funny Loppyd..
Are you sure you are not having deep seated issues?
/ i have to add this because some lizards today seem a little testy and lack any sense of humor today..
It's a joke friend

I wasn't even a lesbian for a day in college. LOL

202 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:40:45pm

re: #189 WrathofG-d

That is exactly right. (the first part). Anti-Semitism to them is conceptual and only comes from a German with a shaved head, or bucket hat.

But that is their hippy, moronic, reform parent's fault...they taught them to be good Liberals...but not good people or Jews.

That's not quite fair. My mom is quite liberal and reform but she made very clear to me that antisemitism is real. It was she who set me straight on Israel during the 06 war and initiated my break with moonbatism.

Not all Liberals hate Israel, and not all Liberals are bad parents.

203 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:40:58pm

re: #191 MandyManners

The Democrats are restricting freedom of speech?

Honey- they're trying to bypass a floor vote.

204 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:41:13pm

re: #200 yochanan

aramic and hebrew NOT ARABIC

I didn't say it was in Arabic.

205 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:41:47pm

re: #182 WrathofG-d

So you see him in the same vain as Begin, or Ben-Gurion etc? I really don't know too much about Bibi per se except that when he was in charge in many ways he followed the same failed "land for peace" nonsense.

They all fold up under pressure.

Israel needs the cover of the American veto in the UN Security Council, and needs assurance of resupply in the event of war, as well as a pipeline for spare parts.

It sucks, but there it is.

206 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:41:55pm

re: #166 Nevergiveup

Arabic or Aramaic? I thought Aramaic?

I was kidding.

Just a comment on the history replacement jihad of the left and the Palis.

207 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:42:07pm

re: #175 offendi

Savlanut, or "patience" my friend.

There are many Israelis that take the words of Hatikvah, The Israeli National Anthem,

" lihyot am hofshi, b'aretzenu, aretz zion, yerushalayim" - to be a free people in our country, the land of zion and jerusalem" much more seriously than Ehud Olmert, the freier.

MY SON FOR SURE
he is currently in NAHAL CHARADI

208 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:42:17pm

re: #199 MandyManners

LOL! Never in my life could I imagine saying this but, GO BILL!

I know - welcome to Bizzaro world.

209 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:42:23pm

re: #191 MandyManners

The Democrats are restricting freedom of speech?

Quite apparently so. Been a big fuss all afternoon. Hillary's supporters were demanding that the roll call go all the way through instead of stopping after a few states. Next plan - let them vote at breakfast and then stage a fake vote for the cameras. That didn't settle well, so option #3 was to have a closed ballot. Hillary's supporters are pretty close to rioting in the streets over it and Hillary's staff is now saying that Obama's camp is going to do whatever they are going to do and that it is not Hillary's job to unite the party, that that is Obama's job.

/Cat fight!

210 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:42:30pm

The Clintons are about as welcome as a turd in the ole punchbowl. Or whatever it is the oh so health conscious libral drinks these days.

211 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:42:32pm

re: #198 Nevergiveup

Mandy, your probably also a much better Jew than Herod. But he sure was a good builder!

Herod was a half Jew, and criminally insane to boot.

212 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:42:36pm

re: #193 Alouette

Mandy you are a much better Jew than Olmert!

All I know is a bit of Yiddish.

Oh, "kalb". Does it mean sonofabitch.

213 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:43:01pm

Saw on CNN that the RNC has a wall of video clips on their site - all dems bashing Obama in the primaries, then the next page is all dems praising McCain.

Gotta love the techno geek age!

214 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:43:02pm

re: #207 yochanan


KOL ha-KOVODE!

215 jcm  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:43:38pm

re: #195 loppyd

Did they work out a deal on the roll call yet?

Last I heard was the breakfast deal, don't think that's going to fly.

216 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:43:44pm

re: #203 Sharmuta

Honey- they're trying to bypass a floor vote.

Riot soon?

217 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:44:16pm

re: #191 MandyManners

The Democrats are restricting freedom of speech?

Not only that, other Democrats are beginning to notice.

218 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:44:19pm

re: #187 experiencedtraveller

Too bad the British Museum collection isn't online. They have some really great ancient pornography on display.

219 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:44:27pm

re: #208 loppyd

I know - welcome to Bizzaro world.

Just call me Alice.

220 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:44:42pm

re: #215 jcm

Last I heard was the breakfast deal, don't think that's going to fly.

If cameras are rolling the McCain folks will have an ad in the can within an hour.

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

221 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:45:10pm

re: #204 Nevergiveup

I didn't say it was in Arabic.

BEN HUR said arabic i was responding to the beginning of the thread.

arabs did not come into the land of israel till at least 800 c.e. the dead sea scrolls are 1,000 years older

222 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:45:11pm

re: #209 galloping granny

Quite apparently so. Been a big fuss all afternoon. Hillary's supporters were demanding that the roll call go all the way through instead of stopping after a few states. Next plan - let them vote at breakfast and then stage a fake vote for the cameras. That didn't settle well, so option #3 was to have a closed ballot. Hillary's supporters are pretty close to rioting in the streets over it and Hillary's staff is now saying that Obama's camp is going to do whatever they are going to do and that it is not Hillary's job to unite the party, that that is Obama's job.

/Cat fight!

I'm glad I've missed all that this afternoon.

223 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:45:16pm

re: #219 MandyManners

Just call me Alice.

That's cool. Just don't sing that creepy song. LOL

224 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:45:21pm

re: #205 Maine's Michael

If the UNSC were to pass a resolution on Israel, who would enforce it?

225 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:45:28pm

re: #202 paradox42


My comment was not meant to be an insult to anyone specific, and especially not your mother. For what you say she sounds marvelous, and luckily taught you some things right. ;)

It was more a jab at the Reform, and Liberal movments. There are wonderful people in all disgusting institutions and movements.

Email me at WrathofG-d@hotmail.com. I want to send you a link to read something. (Please)

226 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:45:57pm

Chelsea is going to be the Sarah Jessica Parker, Rumor Willis, of politics.

The MSM is going to RAM her down our throats as some attractive political heir of the future.

227 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:45:59pm

re: #217 CyanSnowHawk

Not only that, other Democrats are beginning to notice.

I bet Sen. McCain's snickering.

228 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:46:05pm

re: #219 MandyManners

Just call me Alice.

Alice Manners. Nope, not the same ring to it...

229 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:46:06pm

re: #196 CyanSnowHawk

Oh, so Monica was only trying to catch her breath then.

*ba-bump bump* *ting*

230 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:46:07pm

re: #197 Ben Hur

Revolution? About Begin? nope haven't read it but when I looked for it on Amazon, I got this. This isn't what you meant is is?

231 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:46:25pm

re: #216 MandyManners

Riot soon?

They are already parading in the streets with banners and signs.

232 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:46:36pm

re: #209 galloping granny

they could easly have a NEGATIVE BOUNCE evil grin hehehe

233 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:46:49pm

re: #231 galloping granny

They are already parading in the streets with banners and signs.

Sweet.

234 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:47:01pm

OK Lady's. What kind of jacket is it that Meygan Kelly is wearing. It looks kinda like the one Jackie wore in Dallas. And it matches her hair color. It appears she is dressed to the nines for this convention.

235 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:47:20pm

So long as it takes votes from the Obama and delivers them to McCain, it is all good.

236 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:47:57pm

re: #222 MandyManners

I'm glad I've missed all that this afternoon.

Background noise while I wade through book orders and arrivals for the school year that starts next week.

237 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:48:06pm

re: #226 Ben Hur

Chelsea is going to be the Sarah Jessica Parker, Rumor Willis, of politics.

The MSM is going to RAM her down our throats as some attractive political heir of the future.

It's amazing what makeup and good lighting will do....

The barometer genes are not looking good for Chelsea.

SJP has a scrawny one.

238 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:04pm

re: #183 The Other Les

There are certain people who just deserve to get there ass [deleted].
Alex Jones justed passed Michael Moore on my list.

It's all fantasy - because what you say is true. We can't go around and kick butt like we used to. It's not proper.

239 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:12pm

re: #223 loppyd

That's cool. Just don't sing that creepy song. LOL

What song?

240 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:17pm

justed = just

241 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:26pm

re: #232 yochanan

they could easly have a NEGATIVE BOUNCE evil grin hehehe

Already have had a negative bounce from Joe Biden :) And now the talking heads are talking it up in a big way that McCain will announce early to try to steal Barrak's convention thunder.

Of course he won't - and the time they spend talking about it is already stealing Obama's convention thunder. HEHEH

242 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:29pm

Aye-Aye
Awwwww.

243 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:32pm

re: #230 WrathofG-d

Revolution? About Begin? nope haven't read it but when I looked for it on Amazon, I got this. This isn't what you meant is is?

Sorry, meant The Revolt.

244 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:41pm

re: #239 MandyManners

What song?

Nice try.... :)

245 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:42pm

re: #233 loppyd

Sweet.

P.U.M.A.

246 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:45pm

re: #216 MandyManners

Riot soon?

Another one?

247 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:48pm

re: #180 loppyd

(Via Hot Air)

Bill Clinton - he's for Obama. No, really he is.

GET OUT!

248 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:49:52pm

re: #228 scottishbuzzsaw

Alice Manners. Nope, not the same ring to it...

Alice Acid.

249 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:50:05pm

Alert - Pelosi started a fire storm with the Catholic church over abortion and is being taken to task by the church over it. OOOPS

250 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:50:08pm

re: #205 Maine's Michael

They all fold up under pressure.

Israel needs the cover of the American veto in the UN Security Council, and needs assurance of resupply in the event of war, as well as a pipeline for spare parts.

It sucks, but there it is.

Unfortunately, the way Condi is making Israel give away land in return for terrorism, there will be a major war, IF Israel elects some real leaders, otherwise, the UN will just let the Jews get killed until they all leave.
What happens afterwards?
I'll leave out any end times pronouncements.
But it doesn't have to be like that.

McCain could be much better, especially if he replaces the UN with a league of democracies. It won't be great, because many democracies are anti-Israel, but eliminating the worst of the anti-Semites will help a lot.

251 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:50:10pm

re: #225 WrathofG-d

I'm not insulted.

Actually, my mom left our "reformed and enlightened" temple because the people there were shallow phonies.

She's an old school liberal, like most of my family, not one of these crypto-Stalinists who've hijacked the term liberal.

252 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:50:28pm

re: #245 yochanan

P.U.M.A.

Run, PUMA, ruuuuuuuuuuun!

253 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:50:36pm

re: #231 galloping granny

They are already parading in the streets with banners and signs.

I wish some channel had nothing but live footage from the streets.

254 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:51:00pm

re: #247 FrogMarch

GET OUT!

It gets more delicious with each pasisng hour I tells ya!

255 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:51:03pm

re: #248 MandyManners

Alice Acid.

Aunty-Acid Alice?

256 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:51:08pm
257 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:51:12pm

re: #236 galloping granny

Background noise while I wade through book orders and arrivals for the school year that starts next week.

I'm working on a legal memo. Oh, joy.

258 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:51:20pm

re: #249 galloping granny

Alert - Pelosi started a fire storm with the Catholic church over abortion and is being taken to task by the church over it. OOOPS

So we already knew Pelosi was a lousy person and a lousy American. Now we know she is a lousy Catholic!

259 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:51:23pm
260 JSK1121  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:51:24pm

re: #247 FrogMarch

GET OUT!

Thank you, Elaine Benes.

261 loppyd  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:51:45pm

re: #257 MandyManners

I'm working on a legal memo. Oh, joy.

My condolences.

262 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:51:53pm

re: #224 paradox42

If the UNSC were to pass a resolution on Israel, who would enforce it?

Plenty. Until the shooting started, and then there would be big complaints. Look at how UNIFL is doing in Lebanon - the UN even admits now that weapons smuggling has been going on and they did nothing about it.
The UN is worse than useless.

263 Mike in Georgia  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:51:56pm

re: #238 FrogMarch

I never really worried about proper things and I bet my
lawyers are better than his.

264 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:52:10pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

Aye-Aye
Awwwww.

Looks like a cat that chases parked cars.

265 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:52:14pm

re: #250 Kosh's Shadow

Dividing Jerusalem will never pass a referendum.

Finally the Palis and the minions in the press will scream, Israelis don't want peace.

And "The Israelis never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" will be the mantra as if it's new.

266 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:52:19pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Too bad the British Museum collection isn't online. They have some really great ancient pornography on display.

I think thats called Mature pornography ;)

267 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:52:32pm

re: #244 loppyd

Nice try.... :)

I'm sneaky.

268 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:52:32pm

re: #243 Ben Hur

Nope haven't read that either (yet). Its on the list now.

269 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:52:37pm

re: #239 MandyManners

What song?

Whoa! The flashbacks!

270 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:52:42pm

re: #254 loppyd

It gets more delicious with each pasisng hour I tells ya!

Fun. The Clinton/Pelosi tug of war. Good times.

271 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:52:46pm

Alice Etiquette?

272 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:52:55pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Another one?

Maybe they'll all coalesce into one big blow-out.

273 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:53:24pm

re: #268 WrathofG-d

Nope haven't read that either (yet). Its on the list now.


Wrath.

Go get it now.

Really.

Put down whatever other thing you are reading and get it immediately.

274 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:53:30pm

re: #234 Nevergiveup

It appears to be a modified classic Chanel style. Cannot tell if it's a knockoff or the real deal.

275 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:53:30pm

re: #227 MandyManners

I bet Sen. McCain's snickering.

I'm surprised he is not laughing hysterically. How he can keep a straight face with the DNC becoming the Keystone Cops is beyond me.

276 Cognito  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:53:33pm

re: #221 yochanan

BEN HUR said arabic i was responding to the beginning of the thread.

arabs did not come into the land of israel till at least 800 c.e. the dead sea scrolls are 1,000 years older

Huh?

Didn't the "Ishmaelites" interact with Israelites going way back to the way back?

/common ancestor, you know.

277 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:53:36pm

re: #272 MandyManners

Maybe they'll all coalesce into one big blow-out.

Like globular clusters?

278 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:54:00pm

re: #265 Ben Hur

Technically, even seriously speaking about dividing Jerusalem is illegal, but that doesn't stop Olmert and Al-Qadema from discussing it, and offereing it.

it will be divided.

279 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:54:01pm

re: #265 Ben Hur

Dividing Jerusalem will never pass a referendum.

Finally the Palis and the minions in the press will scream, Israelis don't want peace.

And "The Israelis never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" will be the mantra as if it's new.

Where it is the Palis who don't. No one is calling Abbas an obstacle because he wants ALL prisoners released.

280 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:54:15pm

re: #224 paradox42

If the UNSC were to pass a resolution on Israel, who would enforce it?

The UNSC could mandate sanctions on Israel.

The nations of the world would happily comply.

They have been itching to do so under cover of a UN blessing, and it is only the US veto that has stood in the way, many, many times.

The best some Euro countries and canada could do in the past was to abstain.

281 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:54:31pm

re: #264 MandyManners

Who says G-d has no sense of humor!
That's ugly!

282 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:54:32pm

re: #243 Ben Hur

Sorry, meant The Revolt.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
THESE WERE M. BEGIN'S BOYS.
strong jews not the defeatist kademnicks

283 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:54:32pm

re: #262 Kosh's Shadow

I see the UN as completely toothless. The last thing those gutless weasels want is to be in the sights of an army that can do damage to them. I think Israel would survive and the UN would come out looking even more pathetic if such a thing is possible.

284 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:54:44pm

bbiab

285 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:54:52pm

re: #238 FrogMarch

I can say this. I have huge respect, and had quite a bit for Michele prior to what I just watched, but she has to be under no illusions that she has become some sort of negative icon for these assholes.

Doing what she did, seriously put her own well-being in jeopardy.

It is a dilemma. If you are her husband, do you encourage her to do this? They do have small children. I also realize, she is her own woman, has taken a stand, and is doing what she believes in, and this is to be commended.

All I can say, if that was my wife, myself and Alex would have an impromptu meeting in the future.

286 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:54:56pm

re: #249 galloping granny

Alert - Pelosi started a fire storm with the Catholic church over abortion and is being taken to task by the church over it. OOOPS

Also being taken to task by Catholic House Republicans

And it's about time - many Catholic politicians have gotten a "pass" for way too long by the Church and fellow Catholics for their rewriting of Catholicism to fit their political needs.

287 opnion  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:55:06pm

re: #183 The Other Les

Time for some blood pressure meds...

Jones is obviously a self-appointed superior being who blanked out the fact that in a truly civilized society one simply does not incite violence violence against women, let alone a really petite lady who might hit 90 pounds while soaking wet. No matter how much one may politically disagree with them.

Obviously in the "revolutionary" era such niceties are no longer relevant to such self-appointed heroes. Nor is it practical for proper gentlemen to stand up and pound such vermin as Jones into a bloody pulp. After all such assholes now have attorneys on speed-dial. And proper gentlemen who stand up for woman and decency in general would be subject to action in criminal and civil courts.


The truly mentally/ emotionally disturbred gravitate to causes that grant them moral & ethical certitude.
A normal man, particularly with the girth of that guy would not threaten any woman, musch less one as small as Michelle Malkin.
The founding fathers for people like he & his cohorts are Stalin & Hitler.

288 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:55:08pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Leuven database of ancient books.

289 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:55:22pm

re: #278 WrathofG-d

Technically, even seriously speaking about dividing Jerusalem is illegal, but that doesn't stop Olmert and Al-Qadema from discussing it, and offereing it.

it will be divided.


If it's divided, they'll try to sell it as something else.

Abu Dis will become "Al QUds".

If they touch the Old City or the Temple Mount, I may consider never going back.

290 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:56:18pm

re: #282 yochanan

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
THESE WERE M. BEGIN'S BOYS.
strong jews not the defeatist kademnicks

The greatest leader.

When I first went to Israel in 1980, he was on my plane.

In the front of course.

291 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:56:54pm

re: #283 paradox42

I see the UN as completely toothless. The last thing those gutless weasels want is to be in the sights of an army that can do damage to them. I think Israel would survive and the UN would come out looking even more pathetic if such a thing is possible.

Not true. A UNSC resolution without the cover of a US veto could cause serious economic dislocation for Israel.

Oh and by the way on FOX now the head of the " Vets for Freedom" . A very impressive guy

292 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:57:52pm

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] how do i get this as my avatar?

293 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:57:54pm

re: #280 Maine's Michael

The UNSC could mandate sanctions on Israel.

The nations of the world would happily comply.

They have been itching to do so under cover of a UN blessing, and it is only the US veto that has stood in the way, many, many times.

The best some Euro countries and canada could do in the past was to abstain.

Most if not all UN resolutions against Israel are NON-BINDING.

It's important to point that out when some moral equivicating jack-ass speaks about UN resolutions against Iraq.

294 Cognito  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:57:59pm

re: #289 Ben Hur

If it's divided, they'll try to sell it as something else.

Abu Dis will become "Al QUds".

If they touch the Old City or the Temple Mount, I may consider never going back.

I was turned away from the Temple Mount for arriving on a Friday.

Didn't sit well.

295 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:58:40pm

re: #294 Cognito

I was turned away from the Temple Mount for arriving on a Friday.

Didn't sit well.

With who?

296 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:58:52pm

re: #249 galloping granny

This is one of the dumbest people in congress and the choices are limitless. First she doesn't realize that natural gas is a fossil fuel and now Nan is a deep thinker on the topic of theology.

297 Cognito  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:59:11pm

re: #295 Ben Hur

With who?

With me! (Being turned away from even seeing it, that is.)

298 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:59:30pm

re: #297 Cognito

With me! (Being turned away from even seeing it, that is.)

Who turned you away?

299 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:59:47pm

t-bone pickpocket is trying to get gov't gelt.

300 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 2:59:56pm

re: #296 vagabond trader

This is one of the dumbest people in congress and the choices are limitless. First she doesn't realize that natural gas is a fossil fuel and now Nan is a deep thinker on the topic of theology.

The left likes Natural Gas because "Natural" rings in their ears like "Natural Yogurt" or some other bs.

301 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:00:11pm

re: #291 Nevergiveup

I think its a moot point anyway. Leftie moonbats and far right Buchanites not counted, the majority of Americans do not want to sell out the one Mideast country that doesn't have daily "death to America" rallies for the sake of the many countries that do.

302 Cognito  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:00:29pm

re: #298 Nevergiveup

Who turned you away?

Some dudes. It's closed to non-Muslims on their holy day.


/Tell me I didn't get taken.

303 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:00:32pm

re: #297 Cognito

With me! (Being turned away from even seeing it, that is.)

They must of thought your were Jewish.

Or maybe it was time for Friday prayers.

Shoes are lethal.

304 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:01:09pm

re: #301 paradox42

I think its a moot point anyway. Leftie moonbats and far right Buchanites not counted, the majority of Americans do not want to sell out the one Mideast country that doesn't have daily "death to America" rallies for the sake of the many countries that do.

Maybe, but if Obama gets....... well i can't say it but you get the point, let the sell out begin.

305 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:01:25pm

re: #70 paradox42

The left likes to change the meaning of words to suit its needs. Diversity is a perfect example of this. Take a word that has a specific meaning, attach moral value to the word, and denounce as evil anyone who questions.

paradox42, it took me a while to find it, but I think the following quote is pertinent here ...

“Language matters. Which is precisely why it is being destroyed.” ~ BabbaZee

306 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:01:27pm

Or they smelled the MSM all over you.

HAHAHAHAH!

Just kidding.

307 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:01:47pm

BAN THE MSM LOVER!

HAHAHAHAH!

308 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:01:52pm

re: #289 Ben Hur

If they "touch" The Temple Mount, I sugguest every Jew consider going...

309 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:02:12pm

re: #300 Ben Hur

Or it could be that they are simply natural born nitwits. Yeah, that's the ticket.

310 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:02:29pm

when i lived in Jerusalem I did not believe jews should walk were the 'holy of holies' was so if a Yid shouldn't walk there ,the goats loverboy shouldn't even be in jerusalem.

311 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:02:33pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

I think she allowed an opening that would have otherwise been something on the back-burner.

Think about it this way.

What does she do now? Her remarks are being addressed directly. No talking heads. No pundits. No right - left witty banter on the evening cable shows.

Church hierarchy have taken the bull by the horns with what she said.

She has 2 options.

Dispute their retort, or run away and ignore the controversy she started.

There is no way she will come out of this for the better.

312 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:02:55pm

re: #292 yochanan

Wrath is marrying into an Etzel family. Wrath is very happy. Too bad the old guy is not around to tell me the stories however. Wrath is not happy about this.

313 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:03:09pm

re: #308 WrathofG-d

If they "touch" The Temple Mount, I sugguest every Jew consider going...

If the Palestinian Flag flys over the Temple Mount (which for all you novice lurkers, is not the Al-Aqsa Mosque) I may never go back to Israel (or at least Jerusalem).

314 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:03:55pm

re: #312 WrathofG-d

Wrath is marrying into an Etzel family. Wrath is very happy. Too bad the old guy is not around to tell me the stories however. Wrath is not happy about this.


Stop speaking in third person and go out and get that book.

315 kcladderman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:03:56pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

Also being taken to task by Catholic House Republicans

And it's about time - many Catholic politicians have gotten a "pass" for way too long by the Church and fellow Catholics for their rewriting of Catholicism to fit their political needs.

When the Archbishop said he would deny Gov. Sibelius communion for her stand on abortion you should have heard the uproar about separation of church and state. As if being a politician somehow excluded you from following the teachings of your religion and allowed you to disregard church rules.

316 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:04:30pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

Also being taken to task by Catholic House Republicans

And it's about time - many Catholic politicians have gotten a "pass" for way too long by the Church and fellow Catholics for their rewriting of Catholicism to fit their political needs.

Ask yourself who benefits from a dustup that makes it look like the Catholic Church is calling the shots, or at least exerting ideological pressure, on American politicians. I won't call this a calculated ploy by Wormtongue Pelosi, but I won't say it isn't either.

317 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:04:42pm

re: #293 Ben Hur

Security Council resolutions are entirely different from General Assembly ones, thank God.

A trade mebargo on ISrael, which the UNSC can mandate, would be crippling, and, if extended, fatal.

SO would the USA's refusal to resupply munitions in the event of war.

Recall that even the Lebanon War of 2006 required an ongoing US resupply of munitions and spare parts.

It sucks, but that is the reality.

Israel cannot go it alone against 300 million arabs, and certainly not against the collective malevolent will of the world.

It depends on sanity and morality in the White House.

318 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:04:44pm

re: #312 WrathofG-d

Wrath is marrying into an Etzel family. Wrath is very happy. Too bad the old guy is not around to tell me the stories however. Wrath is not happy about this.

rak kack etzel
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

319 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:05:10pm

OT, but while it's fresh in my mind. Could anyone tell me if a woman who has converted to Judaism ever be considered for Israeli citizenship? She is not Orthodox.

320 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:05:17pm
321 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:05:54pm

re: #319 vagabond trader

gender doesn't matter on this it might matter who did the conversion.

322 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:06:11pm

re: #317 Maine's Michael


I think they can.

But that's me.

323 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:06:51pm

re: #313 Ben Hur

{I had a response, then erased it}

If a PLO flag flys on the Temple Mount, its Hanukkah time me thinks.

324 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:06:52pm

re: #320 buzzsawmonkey

Interesting, thanks.

325 Cognito  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:07:06pm

re: #321 yochanan

gender doesn't matter on this it might matter who did the conversion.

I imagine service in the IDF would go a long way.

326 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:07:19pm

re: #319 vagabond trader

OT, but while it's fresh in my mind. Could anyone tell me if a woman who has converted to Judaism ever be considered for Israeli citizenship? She is not Orthodox.


Only Orthodox conversions are recognized in Israel.

327 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:07:21pm

re: #319 vagabond trader

a gentile can become a israeli citizen it just takes longer. more like american citizenship process.

328 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:07:27pm

re: #317 Maine's Michael

"It depends on sanity and morality in the White House." And Israels unstated threat of Nuclear Annihilation not to go down alone!

329 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:07:38pm
330 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:07:52pm

re: #319 vagabond trader

OT, but while it's fresh in my mind. Could anyone tell me if a woman who has converted to Judaism ever be considered for Israeli citizenship? She is not Orthodox.

Were did she convert?

331 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:08:30pm

re: #325 Cognito

I imagine service in the IDF would go a long way.

No has nothing to do with it

332 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:08:32pm

re: #321 yochanan

She insists that because she was not converted as Orthodox and has no intention of becoming Orthodox, she is eligible to become an Israeli citizen.Her husband and kids are Jews.

333 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:08:50pm

re: #326 Ben Hur

Only Orthodox conversions are recognized in Israel.

That doesn't mean that she has to be Orthodox in practice, BTW.

334 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:09:21pm

re: #317 Maine's Michael

Its strange. If Jews were truly the powerful, malevolent, and evil force we're supposed to be, who would dare cross us?

Besides, Israel could glass the entire middle east in a heartbeat.

335 opnion  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:09:28pm

re: #315 kcladderman

When the Archbishop said he would deny Gov. Sibelius communion for her stand on abortion you should have heard the uproar about separation of church and state. As if being a politician somehow excluded you from following the teachings of your religion and allowed you to disregard church rules.


I really do think that religion should stay out of politics.
They take a oath to the Constitution.
but that as I see it is not the issue here. Pelosi deliberately misrepresented Church teaching. A third gade Catholioc school kid knows better.
But ya know , she has got to see this as an absolute right, the party candidate doesn't see that fully born infants have any rights if the intent was abortion

336 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:09:46pm

re: #326 Ben Hur

religion in israel is too connected to politics. and the conversion thing is in deep dudu because of israeli politics because it effects a relitively few people the different parties offen go to the max over it.

337 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:10:03pm

re: #332 vagabond trader

She insists that because she was not converted as Orthodox and has no intention of becoming Orthodox, she is eligible to become an Israeli citizen.Her husband and kids are Jews.

She can probably get Permanent Resident Status because of her husband.

Israel recognized marriages performed outside of Israel.

338 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:10:12pm

re: #334 paradox42

You're trying to bring logic to an emotional illogical Anti-Semitism? You'll only drive yourself crazy with that.

btw: I wrote you back.

339 Cognito  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:11:07pm

re: #331 Nevergiveup

No has nothing to do with it

Don't tell me how to make my own rampant and totally unsubstantiated speculation!

I'll have to report this to the Yarn Spinners Guild.

340 Pshawalaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:11:07pm

re: #313 Ben Hur

If the Palestinian Flag flys over the Temple Mount (which for all you novice lurkers, is not the Al-Aqsa Mosque) I may never go back to Israel (or at least Jerusalem).

But, that mosque does sit on the Temple Mount, no?

341 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:11:24pm

re: #332 vagabond trader

if she did not convert by the ortho method how are her kids jewish?
what her husband is does not matter.
israel allows mixed couples in if they are from places were jews are being oppressed.

342 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:12:24pm

re: #337 Ben Hur

She can probably get Permanent Resident Status because of her husband.

Israel recognized marriages performed outside of Israel.

Israel, or more precisely the religious authorities, recognize some non-Orthodox conversion that are done Outside of Israel for the purpose of marriage and citizenship.

343 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:14:46pm

re: #335 opnion

Denying communion has nothing to do with separation of Church and State.

Furthermore, too many of these politicians are just as guilty when they invoke their religious affiliation while campaigning.

The Church, or any other religious entity is allowed to have a position on issues that involve the public, the law, and the Church itself.

344 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:15:16pm

re: #334 paradox42

Its strange. If Jews were truly the powerful, malevolent, and evil force we're supposed to be, who would dare cross us?

Besides, Israel could glass the entire middle east in a heartbeat.

The threat of nuclear weapons is one that Israel has never used, at least publically, against the West.

I hope there never comes a day when a desperate Israel threatens a malevolent West with damage by nuclear force, against western targets or the western oil supply. There is no doubt in my mind that if such a day comes, it will have been the result of malevolent, genocidal hatred directed at Israel

At what point does Israel say "Stop! Enough!" ?

345 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:15:51pm

this is a RABBI question not a LIZARD QUESTION. offen very complex right now there is a political storm in israel over the whole conversion question MI YIHUDI is a major issue and one that the different political factions offen fight tooth and nail as it only effects a few people so right now there is no will for compermise

346 godfrey  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:16:38pm

re: #130 FrogMarch

I'm sure every lizard worth the name will agree it would be an honor to get between Alex Jones and Michelle Malkin.

Pig, liar, and thug.

347 kuffar  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:16:44pm

Church should be kept out of politics, certainly, yes. But Spirituality? Our government was founded on Spirituality and one singular spiritual truth in particular that All men are created equal by their Creator and endowed with certain inalienable rights...

348 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:16:48pm

re: #337 Ben Hur

Thank you. Meant to say ineligible.

One more question, if you don't mind. What about an American who does not follow the Jewish faith, but was born to a Jewish mother and father? Would this person be able to obtain Israeli citizenship?

349 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:17:11pm

re: #348 vagabond trader

Thank you. Meant to say ineligible.

One more question, if you don't mind. What about an American who does not follow the Jewish faith, but was born to a Jewish mother and father? Would this person be able to obtain Israeli citizenship?

yes

350 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:17:33pm

re: #336 yochanan

religion in israel is too connected to politics. and the conversion thing is in deep dudu because of israeli politics because it effects a relitively few people the different parties offen go to the max over it.


And on the other side we have people/pols that want to allow anyone immigrant citizenship, as if there were 140 million Joos in the world, and not 14 million.

I am secular and beleive that only Orthodox conversions should be recognized.

The Reform movement (from Germany) and the COnservative movement (US) should stop trying to impose it's will on Israel.

Those movements were founded to make it possible for a Jew to preserve their identity outside of a Jewish country or community.

In other words, I was brought up conservative because the Beit Knesset was too far away to walk to. They service USED TO be entirely in Hebrew, and mainly still is. Now women are wearing Kippas and Tallit, and I absolutely am against those movements in Israel.

I'm not against those movements setting up their own Synagogues in Israel, but don't start demanding that Kotel be mixed.

Don't start demanding that their quickie conversions be accepted in Israel.

I have no problem with an orthodox or strict adherence to Jewish Law to preserve the Jewish character of Israel. That includes marraige.

And they try to sell them to Israelis, in the same way the left in Israel tries to sell Western Liberalism -as American, and therefore "Modern" and "Progressive."

Could go on but must go home.

BBL

351 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:17:41pm

re: #348 vagabond trader

YES!

352 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:18:29pm

re: #340 Pshawalaw

But, that mosque does sit on the Temple Mount, no?

No. Way to the right.

353 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:18:53pm

re: #348 vagabond trader

Thank you. Meant to say ineligible.

One more question, if you don't mind. What about an American who does not follow the Jewish faith, but was born to a Jewish mother and father? Would this person be able to obtain Israeli citizenship?

Yes.

354 paradox42  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:20:24pm

re: #344 Maine's Michael

Has Israel has ever threatened anyone with nuclear attack?

355 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:20:28pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

Also being taken to task by Catholic House Republicans

And it's about time - many Catholic politicians have gotten a "pass" for way too long by the Church and fellow Catholics for their rewriting of Catholicism to fit their political needs.

Catholicism is definately not changing. I never did understand how people like Kennedy and Pelosi can claim to be practicing Catholics.

356 Cognito  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:20:36pm

re: #352 Ben Hur

No. Way to the right.

Really? I thought the 'rock' under the Dome of the Rock was the same rock on which the Temple Mount resides.

No?

357 kcladderman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:20:43pm

re: #335 opnion
I do not believe the church was over stepping here. It was her personnel belief that abortion should be allowed that the Archbishop was referring too. Not because she was a politician but because she is a Catholic. I have responded to several emergencies at abortion clinics and done what needed to be done. I carried out my oath to protect the property and lives of the citizens of Kansas City, and I will respond again without hesitation. I can do all of this without changing my personal beliefs about abortion. As Gov. Sibelius can govern a state where abortions are legal without being pro abortion. She has every right to be pro abortion but being a pollution does not exclude her from following Church Doctrine if she wants to also be a Catholic.

358 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:21:27pm

Obama-Ayers on Fox right now!

359 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:21:42pm

re: #356 Cognito

Really? I thought the 'rock' under the Dome of the Rock was the same rock on which the Temple Mount resides.

No?

Yes.

But that is not the Al Aqsa Mosque.

The Al Aqsa Mosque is the building furthest to the right when you are facing the Western Wall.

360 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:22:19pm

re: #356 Cognito

Really? I thought the 'rock' under the Dome of the Rock was the same rock on which the Temple Mount resides.

No?

The Al Aqsa Mosque doesn't have a golden dome.

361 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:23:06pm

re: #352 Ben Hur

Well, wait. That should be "yes" for all intents and purposes. You're getting too technical here. Its on the Mount.

362 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:23:09pm

BBL

363 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:23:31pm

Charles, have you read this today?

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

364 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:23:57pm

re: #361 WrathofG-d

Well, wait. That should be "yes" for all intents and purposes. You're getting too technical here. Its on the Mount.


Is it up there, yes, is it the Temple Mount, no.

Sorry.

365 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:24:25pm

re: #346 godfrey

I'm sure every lizard worth the name will agree it would be an honor to get between Alex Jones and Michelle Malkin.

Pig, liar, and thug.

Of course I wouldn't mind if Mr. Jones was introduced to a few large Sicilian Gentlemen with from New Jersey.

366 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:24:34pm
367 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:24:47pm

re: #354 paradox42

Not verbally, as far as I know.

During the Yom Kippur war, in the early days, when things did not look good, I read that the missile silo doors were opened.

Whether this was to pressure the USA (which was monitoring with satellites) into resupply, which Kissinger/Nixon were holding back, or because they actually thought the end was near, I do not know.

I do know that Moshe Dayan was reported to have told Golda Meir 'this may be the end of the THrid Temple (modern Israel)', or words to that effect.

She had the dignity to resign after that near disaster. Unlike Olmert.

368 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:25:34pm

re: #316 CyanSnowHawk

Ask yourself who benefits from a dustup that makes it look like the Catholic Church is calling the shots, or at least exerting ideological pressure, on American politicians. I won't call this a calculated ploy by Wormtongue Pelosi, but I won't say it isn't either.


she can quit the church.
we dont want her anyway

369 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:26:41pm

re: #351 yochanan

Thanks again.

370 Alouette  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:26:56pm

re: #207 yochanan

MY SON FOR SURE
he is currently in NAHAL CHARADI

My son was in Nahal Chareidi from 2004-2005. His tour ended just before the "Disengagement." Then he protested at Gush Katif and Amona, was arrested, and his aliyah was denied. He went to court to have his conviction overturned and his aliyah rights reinstated, but it just dragged on and on and on.

He is returning to the U.S. this month.

371 LeePro  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:28:13pm

re: #357 kcladderman

"It was her personnel belief..."   ...?

"...but being a pollution does not exclude her..."   ...?

Are you being facetious?

372 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:28:35pm

re: #316 CyanSnowHawk

Ask yourself who benefits from a dustup that makes it look like the Catholic Church is calling the shots, or at least exerting ideological pressure, on American politicians. I won't call this a calculated ploy by Wormtongue Pelosi, but I won't say it isn't either.

Pelosi made a rather lengthy and erroneous statement of Catholic doctrine as part of her position as an elected politician. The Catholic Church has an obligation to tell her that she is both incorrect and out of line.

373 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:28:39pm

re: #370 Alouette

They will allow Aliyah to Peace Now members and ISM jerks....but deny it to Old-School Zionists. This is where the state is. Disgusting.

Cheridi and serves? This is exactly who the country should be made up of.

374 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:28:46pm

re: #357 kcladderman
LIBERAL DEMS want it both ways to be pro abortion and say they are Cat. seems to me they can't have it both ways pick one and stick to it.

375 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:29:11pm

re: #343 formercorpsman

Denying communion has nothing to do with separation of Church and State.

Furthermore, too many of these politicians are just as guilty when they invoke their religious affiliation while campaigning.

The Church, or any other religious entity is allowed to have a position on issues that involve the public, the law, and the Church itself.

And also, the morals and ethics of any politician (and actually, any person) will inform their ideology, regardless of how they come by whatever moral/ethical code they adhere to (through religion or through other means)

Any high-profile person of any faith has influence and their words are taken seriously - they have an obligation to not mislead their audience, which will include susceptible people who might then act on the misinformation they hear.

376 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:30:53pm

re: #375 reine.de.tout

Secularism is religion.

377 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:31:14pm

re: #355 Eowyn2

Catholicism is definately not changing. I never did understand how people like Kennedy and Pelosi can claim to be practicing Catholics.

Easy, I guess, when you rewrite Church doctrine to suit your own political needs.

378 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:31:36pm

re: #349 Nevergiveup

Thank you. So I gather it is decided on an individual basis of sorts.Heh.

379 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:32:18pm

re: #378 vagabond trader

No it is decided upon Halacha./Jewish law.

380 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:32:20pm

re: #376 WrathofG-d

It certainly is to some, no doubt.

Secularism is good for civics in general, but as a measure for one's soul, it comes up a little short.

381 kcladderman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:32:28pm

re: #371 LeePro
Must have been a Freudian slip

382 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:33:25pm

re: #375 reine.de.tout

It is funny.

In one breath, they are chastising the church for their lack of modernity in these issues.

In the next, well.....

383 yochanan  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:33:28pm

some parts of israeli gov't is still run like the old socialist labor gov'ts of old. sadly the gov't is more powerful in people's personal lives than the american gov't.

and the group that controls immagration funding is sept from being a citizen

384 godfrey  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:33:42pm

re: #377 reine.de.tout

Pelosi doesn't even know that natural gas is a fossil fuel. To regard her as a reliable communicator of Catholic dogma (much less doctrine, or social teaching) is, to put it frankly, laughable.

385 Pshawalaw  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:34:07pm

Thanks for all of the clarification on the temples/dome/rock/Temple Mount/etc., I see that there is much I need to learn on that geography; such reminders that I don't know it all I consider a blessing.

And, I am reminded of one of my favorite sayings. I'll paraphrase Josh Billings who said; 'it ain't that people don't know, but that they know so much that ain't so'.

386 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:35:23pm

re: #377 reine.de.tout

Easy, I guess, when you rewrite Church doctrine to suit your own political needs.

And the church, for its own reasons, does not call you out on it...

387 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:35:27pm

re: #368 Eowyn2

she can quit the church.
we dont want her anyway

It would be better for her to stay in the flock, she might rethink some of her liberal tendencies. (A longshot I know, but you really can teach old dogs new tricks every now and then)

I left after years of questioning just what I believed and not being particularly happy with my answers.

388 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:35:30pm

re: #380 formercorpsman

I was thinking about this yesterday. I have realized that today we no longer set laws per our morality, but instead set morality to our laws.

This is flipped from the way things used to work. Our laws don't represent society, but instead society has come to represent our laws. I would imagine this is a Liberal caused issue, as it give the state power over the soul (so to say) as well as the body.

Tell anyone not to do something and you are assured to hear "why its not illegal". Thus, even if immoral, people are more than happy to do anything as long as it is legal. (littering for example)

389 LeePro  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:36:54pm

re: #381 kcladderman

Must have been a Freudian slip

x2
LOL!

390 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:36:58pm

re: #386 experiencedtraveller

And the church, for its own reasons, does not call you out on it...

YES, exactly.

I think the Church likes having members who are high-profile politicians.

But in this case, Pelosi went too far. She got called on it, but in the end, it's all just going to go away.

391 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:39:49pm

re: #388 WrathofG-d


Exactly the way I see it as well.

Don't get me wrong, eliminating certain laws was a moral thing to do.

But to comprehend somehow, by allowing groups such as NAMBLA to actually have a say because free speech is constitutionally protected, is just preparing society to falter in the aftermath.

392 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:40:14pm

re: #387 CyanSnowHawk

It would be better for her to stay in the flock, she might rethink some of her liberal tendencies. (A longshot I know, but you really can teach old dogs new tricks every now and then)

I left after years of questioning just what I believed and not being particularly happy with my answers.

It is a struggle. I've been back and forth all my life. Sometimes ya gotta back away for awhile and think about things.

393 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:41:50pm

re: #372 galloping granny

Pelosi made a rather lengthy and erroneous statement of Catholic doctrine as part of her position as an elected politician. The Catholic Church has an obligation to tell her that she is both incorrect and out of line.

But did she do this with a purpose in mind? My implication being that she will, or at least thinks she will, hurt the Republicans more by starting a very public kerfuffle with Rome over church doctrine and what the church expects of Catholic politicians, a couple months prior to a rather important election that could strengthen the Democrats grip on Congress.

394 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:43:30pm

re: #388 WrathofG-d

I was thinking about this yesterday. I have realized that today we no longer set laws per our morality, but instead set morality to our laws.

This is flipped from the way things used to work. Our laws don't represent society, but instead society has come to represent our laws. I would imagine this is a Liberal caused issue, as it give the state power over the soul (so to say) as well as the body.

Tell anyone not to do something and you are assured to hear "why its not illegal". Thus, even if immoral, people are more than happy to do anything as long as it is legal. (littering for example)

I think you are correct. O'Reilly is fond of pointing out that the laws of this country are based in Judeo-Christian values and philosophy - NOT RELIGION, but the values and morals promoted, which covered morality and ethics as well as what was legally sanctioned or prohibited.

Now, as you say, people feel free to engage in something unethical or immoral, as long as it isn't illegal.

395 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:43:47pm

re: #391 formercorpsman

The Founding Fathers didn't contemplate the moral confusion we would have today. The morality they possessed was taken for granted. I just couldn't see them arguing over the exact minute that a baby became a baby, or which killers should be allowed to write books etc.

396 Hoosierhoops  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:44:36pm

re: #376 WrathofG-d

Secularism is religion.

Hey wrath...glad you enjoyed your vacation...
I thought secularism was the opposite of religion...I've always thought that..

397 J.S.  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:44:50pm

re: #44 Maine's Michael

Somewhere on the Internet there's an entire list of the things this Goofus (that's Biden) has uttered...much of it incredible...he's been wrong on on virtually every foreign policy decision -- he's an "off the wall" blowhard (reminds me of Ron Paul) (even back in 1991 with Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, Biden was opposed to any U.S. or multilateral intervention -- yeah, he wanted to "talk" -- ditto for his current stance with respect to the Prez of Iran and Iran's acquiring nukes...Biden wants to "talk." If the United States were not facing such perilous times, Biden would be a pathetic joke...under current conditions, he's a definite danger...)

398 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:45:38pm

re: #394 reine.de.tout


....which is most frieghtening as people work harder and harder to make everything legal. But worse than that is making things illegal, and thus putting more power into the hands of the Government.

399 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:45:46pm

re: #395 WrathofG-d

Indeed.

They contemplated the rhetorical health of this nation in such moves.

400 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:45:49pm

re: #393 CyanSnowHawk

But did she do this with a purpose in mind? My implication being that she will, or at least thinks she will, hurt the Republicans more by starting a very public kerfuffle with Rome over church doctrine and what the church expects of Catholic politicians, a couple months prior to a rather important election that could strengthen the Democrats grip on Congress.

Whoa! If she would reject her religion for the purpose of hurting the Republicans in this election, then she has placed her personal political power above all else! Even though it's Pelosi we're talking about here, I have a huge problem thinking she would stoop that low.

401 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:48:19pm

re: #396 Hoosierhoops

Not the way it works today. As I see it, religion is nothing more than living by a certain set of rules and morals. Same is for secularism. When it comes to the most contentous political/religous issues it simply comes down to two different opinions...but this "no relgion in politics" campaign allows one group to completely outlaw the other opinion by simply pointing out that the opinion is held or rooted in an organized religion.

The Church/State was against a certain Church having too much power (namly the Church of England)...not against religous belief itself. The new America simply didn't want the competition.

402 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:50:06pm

re: #393 CyanSnowHawk

But did she do this with a purpose in mind? My implication being that she will, or at least thinks she will, hurt the Republicans more by starting a very public kerfuffle with Rome over church doctrine and what the church expects of Catholic politicians, a couple months prior to a rather important election that could strengthen the Democrats grip on Congress.

Certainly. She gave an interview speaking as the Speaker of the House of Representatives on Sunday morning on a television show that is seen internationally stating a completely erroneous view of the Catholic church regarding abortion.

I don't think she will hurt the Republicans at all over this matter.

403 LeePro  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:50:34pm

re: #400 reine.de.tout

Whoa! If she would reject her religion for the purpose of hurting the Republicans in this election, then she has placed her personal political power above all else! Even though it's Pelosi we're talking about here, I have a huge problem thinking she would stoop that low.

It is my opinion that she IS that low... she doesn't have to stoop.

404 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:52:16pm

This is soooo delicious. The Clintons must be ready to puke given all the crow they are required to eat for their DNC closeups.Imagine the egomaniacs railing at each other because a pair of black upstarts have stolen what they feel is rightfully Clinton turf. Talk about your typical bitter whitey's. Muwahahahahahahahahahahaha!

405 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:53:08pm

re: #393 CyanSnowHawk


I don't know if I can give her any credit for actually thinking through a plan such as that.

Her recent departure from congress with $4.00 gasoline, and her need to sell a book seems to contradict any real political prowess on her part.

Moreover, if you look at some of Lawhawk's previous posts, he alludes to some of the things that have been swirling in my head as well.

The Democrats should be riding a rail to the White House in this election. They are doing anything but. In the attempts to come off as in control of world situations, they come off as the jaded drunken valedictorian wanna-be at the Senior Class kegger.

By locking horns with the Vatican over an issue like this, she has not a leg to stand on, and will only serve to have her assertions corrected in the end.

406 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:54:26pm

re: #400 reine.de.tout

Whoa! If she would reject her religion for the purpose of hurting the Republicans in this election, then she has placed her personal political power above all else! Even though it's Pelosi we're talking about here, I have a huge problem thinking she would stoop that low.

I wouldn't call it rejecting her religion in it's entirety, but more like picking and choosing the elements of her belief as though it were a buffet line, then exploiting that to her advantage.

It is a rare Catholic indeed who is in lockstep with Rome, although many manage to keep pretty close. Like for instance, all those girls I knew in the Catholic High School my Sisters went to that were using birth control.

407 Hoosierhoops  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:54:42pm

re: #401 WrathofG-d

Not the way it works today. As I see it, religion is nothing more than living by a certain set of rules and morals. Same is for secularism. .


Really? mmmm.. I've never looked at it that way..

408 warlock  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:56:07pm

Only the worst kind of mental disorder would lead a woman to voluntarily follow the rantings of a homicidal lunatic, don a headscarf, and proudly show the world that her society considers her a second class citizen.

409 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:56:29pm

re: #404 vagabond trader

This is soooo delicious. The Clintons must be ready to puke given all the crow they are required to eat for their DNC closeups.Imagine the egomaniacs railing at each other because a pair of black upstarts have stolen what they feel is rightfully Clinton turf. Talk about your typical bitter whitey's. Muwahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Did you see the clip where Jimmy Carter actually called Obama a "black boy"? I about fell over.

410 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:57:35pm

re: #406 CyanSnowHawk

I wouldn't call it rejecting her religion in it's entirety, but more like picking and choosing the elements of her belief as though it were a buffet line, then exploiting that to her advantage.

It is a rare Catholic indeed who is in lockstep with Rome, although many manage to keep pretty close. Like for instance, all those girls I knew in the Catholic High School my Sisters went to that were using birth control.

You are correct, it is a rare Catholic who is in complete lockstep with Rome (part of the struggle I think we all go through). Abortion, though, is a real biggie. And Pelosi is a high-profile person, with influence.

411 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:58:58pm

re: #409 galloping granny

Yes, and isn't it a lovely irony that ALL the racially charged comments and attitudes are coming from the left, rather than the ubiquitous "they" the Obama warned the voters of.

412 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:59:10pm

re: #407 Hoosierhoops

Ok, where did I go wrong?

You either get your morals from G-d himself, or what you believe to be G-d, or from some other source (such as a secluar god; such as the self)

413 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 4:01:26pm

re: #402 galloping granny

Certainly. She gave an interview speaking as the Speaker of the House of Representatives on Sunday morning on a television show that is seen internationally stating a completely erroneous view of the Catholic church regarding abortion.

I don't think she will hurt the Republicans at all over this matter.

I think it might. Maybe enough to get some people that are on the fence from voting for a Catholic Republican. My assumption being that more Republicans than Democrats are Catholic.

Or I may be reading too much into this and following the path of conspiracy theorists into a confusing miasma of paranoid delusions.

I think I will back off of my original assertion and put the whole thing down political idiocy on Pelosi's part.

414 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 4:02:56pm

re: #413 CyanSnowHawk

I think it might. Maybe enough to get some people that are on the fence from voting for a Catholic Republican. My assumption being that more Republicans than Democrats are Catholic.

Or I may be reading too much into this and following the path of conspiracy theorists into a confusing miasma of paranoid delusions.

I think I will back off of my original assertion and put the whole thing down political idiocy on Pelosi's part.

It will prevent a whole lot more Catholic Democrats from voting for a pro-infanticide Democrat.

415 Hoosierhoops  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 4:04:22pm

re: #412 WrathofG-d

Ok, where did I go wrong?

You either get your morals from G-d himself, or what you believe to be G-d, or from some other source (such as a secluar god; such as the self)

ohhh! I see what you are saying..I didn't think there was a secular god..just a lack of one..
I never considered self to be considered god...just selfish...
Sorry if i'm alittle disjointed..It's just that listening to Donna Brazile on CNN makes me laugh so much...She should go into comedy..
BTW..Watch was the favorite place you visited on vacation and what did you do there?

416 J.S.  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 4:05:10pm

re: #364 Ben Hur

Wait a second...the "Temple Mount" as understood by archaeologists, etc. consists of 35 acres (a huge building project/refurbishing, etc., was undertaken by Herod the Great in the 1st century). Herod built a retaining wall around the Temple Mount (the mount itself is a raised platform). "King Herod the Great had an immense stone wall built around the hill to retain the rubble used to level off the crest and create the massive plaza. At its center stood Herod's rebuilt Second Temple, a splendid edifice that gained international fame as one of the architectural wonders of its day..." (from "Fodor's Israel"). The mosque was built on the Temple Mount (in the corner)...and the Muslims (up above) can throw rocks down below on Jews at the western wall whenever the Imams arouse them...

417 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 4:06:47pm

re: #415 Hoosierhoops

Speak to a leftist and you will quickly see that it is indeed self-worship. The "I" is 'holy'! How THEY feel something should be is the most important.

As to my trip...the favorite was proabably Mt. of Olives. The view is fantastic, and it was the first time I had been in that part of Jerusalem. Although....nothing beats walking through the Old City of Jerusalem at night......truly magical!

418 J'accuzzi  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 4:14:55pm

ingrid mattson is a Canadian wackademic. Who would have guessed?

I don't recall exactly, but I think she lost her Christian faith as a teen but found allah while doing research at the largest Roman Catholic cathedral in saudi.


419 Hoosierhoops  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 4:15:49pm

re: #417 WrathofG-d

Speak to a leftist and you will quickly see that it is indeed self-worship. The "I" is 'holy'! How THEY feel something should be is the most important.

As to my trip...the favorite was proabably Mt. of Olives. The view is fantastic, and it was the first time I had been in that part of Jerusalem. Although....nothing beats walking through the Old City of Jerusalem at night......truly magical!

That is so cool..I would love to visit the mt. of olives..To actually walk the streets that have so much history...
I've been married to a jewish girl for many years..we have 5 kids..
When i suggest we visit her family in the old country she always books tickets to NYC.
:)

420 J.S.  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 4:16:59pm

Here's a map of the Temple Mount...

421 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 4:29:19pm

re: #419 Hoosierhoops

There is nothing that compares to walking through Jerusalem. Period! I suggest doing so however, when you can limit the tourists, and really get a sense of its power.

Amazing people, amazing history, amazing Country, amazing city.

422 Hoosierhoops  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 4:32:45pm

re: #421 WrathofG-d

There is nothing that compares to walking through Jerusalem. Period! I suggest doing so however, when you can limit the tourists, and really get a sense of its power.

Amazing people, amazing history, amazing Country, amazing city.

and you are an amazing person..thanks for the reply..
See ya upthread sometime...
The Hoopster

423 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 26, 2008 5:13:18pm
one wonders just what ISNA has done to “combat extremism.”

One need wonder only in the most rhetorical sense.
This group (along with CAIR) is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land funding case, and is also a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The only extremism they are truly interested in combatting is the kind of positive extremism exhibited by those pitifully few righteous Muslims who dare to unconditionally condemn and denounce Islamofascism and who dare to call for a major overhaul of Quranic interpretation and Islam itself.


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