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Zombie: Pro-Hillary March

Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:51:33 am PDT

(Cross-posted at Pajamas Media.)

On Tuesday, some Hillary Clinton die-hards held a march along the “designated parade route” from Denver’s Civic Center Park to the “free speech zone” at the Pepsi Center, where the convention is being held. Their goal: a last-ditch attempt to secure the nomination for Hillary.

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This is a sentiment the Democratic Party did not take seriously enough. I think we’ll be seeing a lot of “temporary McCainocrats” in November.

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Despite a scheduling snafu at the start (the march was sent off early, before many supporters showed up), the group — numbering somewhere between 500 and 750 by my very rough guess (though I’m admittedly bad at crowd estimates) proceeded down in the street in a wave of enthusiasm.

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Most people in the crowd believed that the nomination was stolen from Hillary by the bullying and intimidation of delegates and “super-delegates.”

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They co-opted the “selected, not elected” meme from the disputed Bush/Gore Florida showdown in 2000.

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Despite the surface enthusiasm and anger, there was a noticeable air of resignation, the certain knowedge that their cause was already a lost cause.

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18 million people is a lot of people to piss off.

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Whom will you ladies vote for in November: Obama or McCain? That is the question around which everything hinges.

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Meanwhile, back at the beginning of the parade route (to which I returned after following the march for a while), scattered groups of Hillary supporters who had shown up at the announced time (11:45) were seriously deflated and disappointed to learn that the city officials had for some reason sent off the Hillary contingent over 15 minutes early, leaving many of the would-be marchers stranded when they showed up too late. It was the only time I’ve seen one of the permitted marches be sent off early. Hmmmmm....

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1 red satellite  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:52:19am

that about sums it up.

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:52:36am

You go, girls! Just say Nobama!

3 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:53:58am

Once again, the Left eats its own.

4 WrathofG-d  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:54:13am

Was it predominantly women who were upset or even male/female mix?

Does Z even post anymore?

5 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:55:10am

The delicious odor of unity wafting through the air.

Along with rampant BO.

6 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:55:18am

What's interesting is these people seem, you know, normal.

7 WitchDoctor  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:55:23am

Interesting, so the all-inclusive democrats split upon gender racial lines, and republicans are the racist/sexist ones.

The mind reels.

8 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:55:25am

Hmm... "McCainocrat", not quite "Reagan Democrat", but I like it!

9 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:55:35am

Don't like the selected candidate? Tired of using Brand X and being screwed?
Then you're in luck! We have the candidate for you!
Vote for John McCain in 2008, and send Barack back to his sweet home Chicago.
:-)

/Not paid for by any candidate or group.

10 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:55:48am

They look alot more normal than the loonies. And if there is any hope for my people ( Jews ) that lady in the first pic may be an omen. She is wearing a Star of David. So I hope more of my misguided Jewish Liberal friends and family will also come over to McCain.

11 Athos  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:56:16am

re: #6 Sharmuta

What's interesting is these people seem, you know, normal.

It says a lot about where Obama is on the spectrum when Hillary gets the moderates.....

12 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:56:31am

Clearly these people are all racist, HOPE!-haters.

13 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:56:32am

A parade starting early - how efficient.

14 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:56:32am

re: #6 Sharmuta

What's interesting is these people seem, you know, normal.

I find most Hillary supporters to be that way. The nutkooks, DUmmies, and Kostards usually gravitate in Obama's orbit.

15 rasachema  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:56:40am

you go girl!

16 x-wing  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:56:52am

There is some sanity in that party after all.

17 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:57:03am

Maybe Clinton will pull a Samson and tear down Obama's paper-mache Greek pillars on his head. Bill will presumably already have provided the jawbone of the ass.

18 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:57:26am

In many respects, that mirrors what the Hillary campaign did. They marched off to Denver figuring they had things in hand; only to find they didn't. Obama won.

Now, they're left pondering what to do now that their dreams are crushed. And Obama is in no mood to be charitable and isn't making a case for party unity.

Still, most of these people will end up voting D. Why? Because they, like most Americans, are party line voters. In the end, they'll do what they nearly always do - and that's vote with their party.

I don't think we're going to see as many breakaway Democrats as others are suggesting. It's also too soon to tell, especially with Biden and Obama giving speeches over the next two days. We'll see if they can convince the disaffected.

The media will swear that they've accomplished that goal (as if there was doubt on this), but they too are engaging in wishful thinking.

19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:57:29am

re: #6 Sharmuta

What's interesting is these people seem, you know, normal.

In the "not screaming, bathe regularly and not hurling human waste" kind of way.

20 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:57:38am

I hope Mac pics a female VP. Can you say "Land slide!"

21 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:57:49am

Did zombie get detoured to Utah? All I see are older white Americans...LOL

22 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:57:54am

How far could the protesters walk if they all wore matching in pant suits?

23 Athos  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:58:23am

re: #17 Diamond Bullet

Bill will presumably already have provided the jawbone of the ass.

Isn't that DNC Chair Howard Dean?

24 nils2en  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:58:24am

This must be photoshop job b/c I have seen none of this on my TV! I thought it is UNITY, LOVE, and PROSPERITY there in Denver?

25 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:58:47am

Meanwhile, delegate votes are being cast. Unfortunately, it looks like the party is going to make sure that this doesn't become a full floor vote - and that the nomination will be done by acclimation.

In other words - so it was said, so shall it be done.

26 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:59:12am

I'm pretty sympathetic to these folks, even if I disagree with them on every issue (which I probably do). They wanted to vote for a grown-up, not Little Lord Barack.

27 x-wing  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:59:29am

This will not help Michelles' children at all.

28 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:59:31am

re: #11 Athos

It says a lot about where Obama is on the spectrum when Hillary gets the moderates.....

There was a spinoff yesterday that had 21% of Hill's supporters now going for McCain. That's a good chunk, and they might be able to convince a number of people to join them by November. We put up a moderate candidate- one that might not be so hard for them to support.

29 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:59:35am

re: #25 lawhawk

Meanwhile, delegate votes are being cast. Unfortunately, it looks like the party is going to make sure that this doesn't become a full floor vote - and that the nomination will be done by acclimation.

In other words - so it was said, so shall it be done.

Don't you just love democracy?

30 opnion  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:00:01am

This is a beautiful thing. Some of these PUMA people should be brought into The Twin Cities & wined & dined.

31 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:00:20am

re: #20 filetandrelease

I hope Mac pics a female VP. Can you say "Land slide!"

* * *

These voters want Hillary, not "any" female. Don't you get it? Choosing any female is not an automatic vote getter.

32 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:01:07am
33 pat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:01:07am

In fact it does appear Obama was selected, by the MSM if not the DNC, which Hillary controlled until Dean was put in.

34 red satellite  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:01:20am

McCain slew able Hillary votes. I'm just sayin'

35 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:01:21am

Hillary 2012!

/

36 x-wing  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:01:31am

re: #28 Sharmuta


Add to that the ones who'll just stay home, Barry got himself a big problem

37 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:01:38am

So tonight is about Security?

"US forces to transfer control of Anbar to Iraqis"

[Link: afp.google.com...]

But lets surrender anyway?

38 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:01:43am
39 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:01:47am

re: #25 lawhawk

Meanwhile, delegate votes are being cast. Unfortunately, it looks like the party is going to make sure that this doesn't become a full floor vote - and that the nomination will be done by acclimation.

In other words - so it was said, so shall it be done.

Good Lord! Could you imagine the demonizing the Republicans would receive if they tried to pull a stunt like this at their convention?

40 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:02:25am

Hillary voters for McCain!

best week evah!

41 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:02:31am

So, what have I missed this fine day?

42 Athos  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:02:42am

re: #25 lawhawk

Typical. Acceptance only occurs if you are part of the same groupspeak. If you aren't on the same page, then you are an enemy to be marginalized and silenced.

It's unfortunate that habit and rote will take over for 80 or 90% of those Hillary supporters when it comes to the ballot - and that they fail to realize that what's being done to them by the hard left hijacked party is what will be done to the entire country if they gain the power they believe is their entitlement. But if 10% of them vote to set Hillary up for a 2012 run - they will get their wish.

43 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:02:44am
44 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:02:55am

Typical angry white people.

45 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:03:02am

re: #36 x-wing

Add to that the ones who'll just stay home, Barry got himself a big problem

Yes- that didn't include the folks who won't vote. He's got a big problem, because I don't think the clinton's will do anything more after the convention to lift a finger to help obama.

46 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:03:10am

re: #31 alegrias

* * *

These voters want Hillary, not "any" female. Don't you get it? Choosing any female is not an automatic vote getter.

I disagree, many of these woman are voting for Hillary because she is a woman, and many of those will support a woman VP, especially because they are angry, and their new candidate is an idiot.

Yes, I get it.

47 pat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:03:40am

Do not think for a moment that those people will actually vote for McCain. This is a grievance ploy.

48 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:03:44am

re: #41 galloping granny

So, what have I missed this fine day?

Well I just started drinking!

49 Athos  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:03:47am

re: #39 Sharmuta

Comparisons to Florida in 2000 would fill the front pages and Network News leads for a week at least....

50 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:04:23am

re: #25 lawhawk

Meanwhile, delegate votes are being cast. Unfortunately, it looks like the party is going to make sure that this doesn't become a full floor vote - and that the nomination will be done by acclimation.

In other words - so it was said, so shall it be done.

Do they really think that the public will see this complete and total sham as "democracy" and "party unity" rather than vote rigging and railroad job?

51 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:04:36am

Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!

52 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:04:41am

Do these bitter people cling to guns and religion?

53 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:04:51am

re: #20 filetandrelease

I hope Mac pics a female VP. Can you say "Land slide!"

If he does, I hope it's Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson...

54 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:04:57am

re: #47 pat

Do not think for a moment that those people will actually vote for McCain. This is a grievance ploy.

I agree. Push comes to shove they will curl up next to what feels good.

55 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:05:07am

re: #47 pat

Do not think for a moment that those people will actually vote for McCain. This is a grievance ploy.


I know a whole bunch of democrats that voted for hillary that WILL NOT vote for the obama. They are voting for McCain.

56 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:05:17am

re: #47 pat

Do not think for a moment that those people will actually vote for McCain. This is a grievance ploy.

No- there are polls showing 21% of her supporters no going for McCain- it's a vengeance vote, and I welcome it. I think others will stay home.

57 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:05:25am

re: #45 Sharmuta

Yes- that didn't include the folks who won't vote. He's got a big problem, because I don't think the clinton's will do anything more after the convention to lift a finger to help obama.

I think that Hillary has done just enough to make sure the dems cannot point a finger at her when he loses so as to preserve her run for 2012.

58 Outrider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:05:42am

Another "stolen" election? Angry delegates and supporters. And yet, the majority will STILL vote for whomever the party tells them to because they are good little Democrats. DO NOT BREAK GROUPTHINK!

(or the party will pull a Lieberman on you)

59 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:05:46am

re: #56 Sharmuta

I mean now going for McCain.

60 WrathofG-d  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:06:08am

re: #18 lawhawk

61 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:06:15am

re: #52 neocon hippie

Do these bitter people cling to guns and religion?

Nah, they are Democrats after all.

62 irish rose  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:06:26am

Temporary or no... I'm heartened to see it.

It means that cooperation and common sense are finally making a long-overdue comeback in American politics.

63 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:06:37am

re: #45 Sharmuta

Yes- that didn't include the folks who won't vote. He's got a big problem, because I don't think the clinton's will do anything more after the convention to lift a finger to help obama.

nor should they, frankly. not in their best interests, and certainly not in the best interests of people who actually contribute to this society in one way or another...

64 Uncle Sticky  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:06:46am

"My Friends", Hillary drops a hint. I really do want McCain to win. Or at least I am going to get one last "dig" in.

Look at the 2 minute mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IifO41NZqpo

Text:

I am honored to be here tonight. A proud mother. A proud Democrat. A proud American. And a proud supporter of Barack Obama.

My friends, it is time to take back the country we love.

UNITY!

Wouldn't you like to be a PUMA too?

65 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:07:07am

re: #47 pat

Do not think for a moment that those people will actually vote for McCain. This is a grievance ploy.

any percentage of them (not just the ones at the convention, but across the country) that either votes for Mccain or sits it out is good news. Lets not forget how we got Bill Clintomn in the 1st place !

66 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:07:10am

re: #53 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If he does, I hope it's Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson...

Or Governor Palin(sp) of Alaska.

67 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:07:21am

It is so weird to see Dems marching without anyone naked, dressed as a furry animal, comparing Jews or Bush to Hitler, or with obvious communist symbols.

And they also look bathed, employed, and all their signs appear to be spelled correctly.

Not your typical zombie report.

68 mattm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:07:35am

Thank You Democrats, for spitting you party and helping the GOP in November.

69 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:07:57am

re: #30 opnion

This is a beautiful thing. Some of these PUMA people should be brought into The Twin Cities & wined & dined.

Need a driver? I could use the work.

70 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:08:08am

Where are the face masks? The Che shirts?

These are LLL?

;-)

71 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:08:32am

re: #67 Silhouette

It is so weird to see Dems marching without anyone naked, dressed as a furry animal, comparing Jews or Bush to Hitler, or with obvious communist symbols.

And they also look bathed, employed, and all their signs appear to be spelled correctly.

Not your typical zombie report.

I thinks it's a law or requirement that Zombie associate with normal or semi-normal people ever 36 hours?

72 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:08:34am

re: #59 Sharmuta

I mean now going for McCain.


LOL.. Yea..we knew that's what you meant.. I checked out some PUMA sites and there seems to be a deep seated grudge going on...
Who would have thought Clinton supporters would vote for McCain.
I love America..

73 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:08:38am

re: #35 Vergeltung

Hillary 2012!

/

I think that's her plan. She has her short-timer's calendar nailed to the wall with a big red circle around January 20, 2013 and she will sit back and watch BO go down in flames. Then she and Bill will roll in big time with a Stalinesque purge of the democrat party. Dean will be toast, and all the whole "progressive" wing had better watch their backs as well. After that she'll subject us all to the longest presidential campaign in recent memory - more than four full years!

/This analysis brought to you by Murphy's Last Law: "If it was bad, it will be back!".

74 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:08:46am
Meanwhile, back at the beginning of the parade route (to which I returned after following the march for a while), scattered groups of Hillary supporters who had shown up at the announced time (11:45) were seriously deflated and disappointed to learn that the city officials had for some reason sent off the Hillary contingent over 15 minutes early, leaving many of the would-be marchers stranded when they showed up too late. It was the only time I’ve seen one of the permitted marches be sent off early. Hmmmmm....

Conspiracy!

75 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:08:53am

Here's a picture of Obama's coronation set -
[Link: hotair.com...]

76 DVAPREZ  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:09:15am

If we get 10% of the Hillary gang, it's over!

77 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:09:28am
78 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:09:39am

Hell just dipped below the freezing mark...Hillary's being cheered on LGF.

79 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:09:40am

re: #5 JammieWearingFool

The delicious odor of unity wafting through the air.

Along with rampant BO.

And patchouli.

80 Outrider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:09:42am

re: #63 Vergeltung

nor should they, frankly. not in their best interests, and certainly not in the best interests of people who actually contribute to this society in one way or another...

Why should they? The media and the party already made their decision long ago and tossed both Clintons under the bus. They are far from my favorite people, but anyone that has done as much for the Democrat party as they have, for as long as they have, do not deserve the treatment they received.

81 Athos  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:09:46am

Fox News journalist James Rosen interviewed Ayers in 2004 while working on his book about Nixon AG John Mitchell. He released the transcripts here -

Ayers unrepetant for violance

Ayers practices moral equivilancy re 9/11 - US did / does equally bad things.....

"I think every American that I know was weeping over the next several weeks, and devastated and shocked. Was that an act of pure terror? It absolutely was. And there are many other acts of terror carried out by our government, even recently, that, that are comparable."

Typical pinhead.

82 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:09:50am

I have serious doubts that significant numbers of Hillary supporters will actually pull the lever for McCain. Their ideologies are nowhere near close.

83 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:10:29am

re: #46 filetandrelease

I disagree, many of these woman are voting for Hillary because she is a woman, and many of those will support a woman VP, especially because they are angry, and their new candidate is an idiot.

Yes, I get it.

* * *

I think your last phrase is on target--they prefer Hillary to an idiot.

84 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:10:31am

Here's the link I saw showing 21% of Hill's peeps going for McCain. Kiss the gender gap good-bye.

[Link: www.stoptheaclu.com...]

85 opnion  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:10:31am

re: #69 The Other Les

Need a driver? I could use the work.

Your in

86 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:10:56am

re: #82 Racer X

I have serious doubts that significant numbers of Hillary supporters will actually pull the lever for McCain. Their ideologies are nowhere near close.

Don't underestimate the desire for revenge.

87 Dahveed  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:11:04am

Operation Chaos.

88 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:11:04am

re: #78 jorline

Hell just dipped below the freezing mark...Hillary's being cheered on LGF.

Well, I would agree with her supporters, that she got screwed out of the nomination. The Dems are gonna ride the Obama train right over the cliff.

/yeeeeeeeaaaaarrrrggghhh!

89 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:11:11am

re: #44 Racer X

Typical angry white people.

clinging to their guns and religion...

90 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:11:26am

re: #53 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If he does, I hope it's Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson...

* * *
Boring. Can't stand up to Biden.

91 opnion  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:11:47am

re: #76 DVAPREZ

If we get 10% of the Hillary gang, it's over!

That would really tip it & 10% sounds reasonable.

92 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:11:52am

re: #86 Sharmuta

Don't underestimate the desire for revenge.

Hell hath no fury like a woman puma scorned.

93 StinkHammer  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:11:55am

I have serious doubts that any of these disgruntled Hillary-ites will actually cast a protest vote for McCain -- after all, they're Leftists first, feminists second. I mean, do they really suppose McCain will be more sympathetic to "feminist" issues than Obama? I'm not buying it . . .

94 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:11:58am

re: #78 jorline

Hell just dipped below the freezing mark...Hillary's being cheered on LGF.

I regret that I have only one upding for you sir..

95 Samita  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:12:06am

I've been wondering -

The Gov of Montana was all about...

"We can't drill our way out... "

So like - is he going to forgo the resource income of the oil that Montana will pump from the Bakken field?

96 Athos  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:12:11am

re: #80 Outrider

But they were not far enough to the left or militant enough for the hard left that hijacked the party......

97 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:12:23am

re: #56 Sharmuta

No- there are polls showing 21% of her supporters no going for McCain- it's a vengeance vote, and I welcome it. I think others will stay home.

* * *
They might write in Hillary's name and thereby void their ballot.

98 Alouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:12:27am

re: #53 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If he does, I hope it's Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson...

SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH! SARAH!

99 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:12:51am

re: #85 opnion

Your in

E-mail me.

Click on my name and look at the column on the right to find the address.

100 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:12:51am

Is this photo for real, or is it a photoshop?

101 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:12:55am

re: #84 Sharmuta

Here's the link I saw showing 21% of Hill's peeps going for McCain. Kiss the gender gap good-bye.

[Link: www.stoptheaclu.com...]

And I have heard figures as high as 27%

102 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:13:01am

re: #66 filetandrelease

Or Governor Palin(sp) of Alaska.

Palin simply doesn't have a resume that supports the idea that she is qualified to be first in succession. I have a very favorable opinion of her, but I cannot help but feel that she needs considerably more seasoning before being selected for such an important office.

103 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:13:04am
104 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:13:17am

re: #78 jorline

Hell just dipped below the freezing mark...Hillary's being cheered on LGF.

Well, as much as I don't care for the Clintons, something funny happened on my way to the election this year. The Chicago Democrats decided to get involved, and put up their own candidate. A candidate associated with crime, terror, and the far left fringe.

Hillary Clinton is mild by comparison.

105 x-wing  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:13:36am

Rush just played a sound byte of a black female delegate that will not vote for Obama ,because of the wat she feels Hillary was treated. UH-OH

106 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:13:41am

re: #73 CIA Reject

I think that's her plan. She has her short-timer's calendar nailed to the wall with a big red circle around January 20, 2013 and she will sit back and watch BO go down in flames. Then she and Bill will roll in big time with a Stalinesque purge of the democrat party. Dean will be toast, and all the whole "progressive" wing had better watch their backs as well. After that she'll subject us all to the longest presidential campaign in recent memory - more than four full years!

/This analysis brought to you by Murphy's Last Law: "If it was bad, it will be back!".

close but, no. :)

that's her fall back strategy. her primary strategy is for Osama to LOSE. and , then, she's the challenger in 2012. THAT is her strongest position at this time.

trust me, I know. :)

107 livefreeor die  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:13:44am

re: #6 Sharmuta

What's interesting is these people seem, you know, normal.

That was my first reaction too!

This must be the first Clinton event that ever started early.

108 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:13:47am

re: #90 alegrias

* * *
Boring. Can't stand up to Biden.

She gets a big yawn from me. If he were going to pick a senator from Texas, I'd rather it were Cornyn. But it'll never happen, because McCain hates Cornyn, in part for helping derail the shamnesty plan.

109 pat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:14:01am

I do think there will be some sitouts among the Dems, but there likely will be many among the GOP also. Wonder what the turnout will be?

BTW, had a devil of a time finding the Democratic Platform in HTML. It was all set up as PDF. Wonder if that was so no one could copy it. Some scary notions regarding nationalized healthcare and health care and food as constitutional rights.

110 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:14:07am

re: #95 Samita

I've been wondering -

The Gov of Montana was all about...

"We can't drill our way out... "

So like - is he going to forgo the resource income of the oil that Montana will pump from the Bakken field?

Why hell no!

111 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:14:08am

re: #78 jorline

Hell just dipped below the freezing mark...Hillary's being cheered on LGF.

Remember the car-b-ques, when we found ourselves rooting for the French?

112 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:14:12am

re: #86 Sharmuta

Don't underestimate the desire for revenge.

It just doesn't sit well with me. First off - if you support Hillary with that much zeal, would you really vote for McCain? No.

If you are a democrat and dislike Obama that much, would you really vote republican? No.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I believe it to be a ploy.

113 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:14:25am

re: #93 StinkHammer

I have serious doubts that any of these disgruntled Hillary-ites will actually cast a protest vote for McCain -- after all, they're Leftists first, feminists second. I mean, do they really suppose McCain will be more sympathetic to "feminist" issues than Obama? I'm not buying it . . .

I don't doubt it. I think they know that Hill only stands a chance in 2012 if obama is not elected.

114 Athos  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:14:33am

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

It'll throw Al Gore's warming projections off, for sure.

He's just planned 4 more speaking engagements that require long flights on a private jet to compensate.

115 opnion  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:14:40am

re: #97 alegrias

* * *
They might write in Hillary's name and thereby void their ballot.

PUMAs of the world unite!

116 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:15:08am

re: #90 alegrias

* * *
Boring. Can't stand up to Biden.

Agree...whoever McCain picks they have to be a formidable foe for Biden during the debates.

117 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:15:22am

re: #90 alegrias

* * *
Boring. Can't stand up to Biden.

She'll make Biden look like the bullying asshole he really is. Her easygoing soft sell approach will completely take Biden off his game.

118 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:15:35am

re: #94 HoosierHoops

I regret that I have only one upding for you sir..

Thanks, HH...how are you today?

119 pat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:16:08am

Yes, I think it clear that Hillary did attract the normals of the Democratic Party.

120 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:16:10am

re: #78 jorline

Hell just dipped below the freezing mark...Hillary's being cheered on LGF.

* * *
You have to admit at the end of her winning primary challenges, she was standing with regular folks, not the leftist wing of her party which dumped her.

121 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:16:17am

re: #112 Racer X

It just doesn't sit well with me. First off - if you support Hillary with that much zeal, would you really vote for McCain? No.

If you are a democrat and dislike Obama that much, would you really vote republican? No.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I believe it to be a ploy.

I think the answer is "yes" and "yes". She only stands a chance in 4 years if obama looses now.

122 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:16:26am

re: #93 StinkHammer

I have serious doubts that any of these disgruntled Hillary-ites will actually cast a protest vote for McCain -- after all, they're Leftists first, feminists second. I mean, do they really suppose McCain will be more sympathetic to "feminist" issues than Obama? I'm not buying it . . .

Actually, McCain probably is more sympathetic to real feminist issues that Obama ever thought of being. It does not really matter though. These votes are not about Obama. They are about the treatment of Hillary Clinton and her supporters by the democrat party bosses. Remember that more than a few of these folks you are seeing - like the gal in the ad - have actually been removed from their delegations for voicing a refusal to support Obama.

123 protestshooter  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:16:56am

That's what they get for getting permits!

124 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:17:10am

re: #82 Racer X

I have serious doubts that significant numbers of Hillary supporters will actually pull the lever for McCain. Their ideologies are nowhere near close.


It doesn't matter.

As I've posted on this earlier, Hilary got 50% (or more) of the Dem primary vote.

Given the dynamics of the election only 1-2% of the vote will be likely necessary to decide key swing states, and ultimately determine the course of the election.

So, if even 10% of likely Hilary voters ultimately decide to switch to McCain or even simply stay home instead of voting for Obama, that alone could be enough to tip the entire election to McCain. In fact, even smaller numbers of Hilary defectors *could* do it, assuming they were localized geographically in the right swing tates.

The question really is what percentage of McCain Democrats there will be fully three months from now, when it matters. Clearly, McCain won't get the same sort of landslide shift that Reagan did (a la "Reagan Democrats"), but he wouldn't need the same kind of landslide to simply win.

125 jill e  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:17:16am

"Don't go for second best baby! Put your love to the test!"

/the LAST time I shall ever quote Madonna

126 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:17:45am

re: #120 alegrias

* * *
You have to admit at the end of her winning primary challenges, she was standing with regular folks, not the leftist wing of her party which dumped her.

as strange as it is for me to be typing these very words, I find a newly found incrased respect for Hillary, and the way she has dealt with this since the start of this messiah shiite.

I can't believe I just wrote that. really.

127 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:17:50am

re: #108 Ward Cleaver

She gets a big yawn from me. If he were going to pick a senator from Texas, I'd rather it were Cornyn. But it'll never happen, because McCain hates Cornyn, in part for helping derail the shamnesty plan.

The original conjecture was if McCain picked a woman as his running mate. Cornyn is not part of that discussion.

128 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:17:56am

I wonder how many of those 18 million voters where Operation Chaos operatives. :D :D :D :D :D

129 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:17:59am

re: #58 Outrider

Another "stolen" election? Angry delegates and supporters. And yet, the majority will STILL vote for whomever the party tells them to because they are good little Democrats. DO NOT BREAK GROUPTHINK!

(or the party will pull a Lieberman on you)

I'm hoping they pull enough "Liebermans" to get the leftists in their own party, and the rational ones into a new party that can be a loyal opposition, instead of a destroy the country opposition

130 wright1  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:18:24am

I only hope that there are many more where she came from...

Of course her kind will not be welcome in the Roman Coliseum - her sight before Lord Obama is an obamination in his sight! She will be tossed to the Obama-thugs

131 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:18:33am

re: #104 Honorary Yooper

Well, as much as I don't care for the Clintons, something funny happened on my way to the election this year. The Chicago Democrats decided to get involved, and put up their own candidate. A candidate associated with crime, terror, and the far left fringe.

Hillary Clinton is mild by comparison.

What lizard would have thought a year ago they would be feeling sorry for Hillary...LOL

132 opnion  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:18:39am

re: #117 really grumpy big dog Johnson

She'll make Biden look like the bullying asshole he really is. Her easygoing soft sell approach will completely take Biden off his game.

Yeah, Kay Bailey Hutchinson has the likability thing cold.

133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:18:41am

re: #100 Kenneth

Is this photo for real, or is it a photoshop?

I would say shopped, the shadows of the chair and lamp do not seem to match the side of Barry's face being in shadow

134 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:18:45am

re: #106 Vergeltung

close but, no. :)

that's her fall back strategy. her primary strategy is for Osama to LOSE. and , then, she's the challenger in 2012. THAT is her strongest position at this time.

trust me, I know. :)

I thought that's what I said...

135 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:18:46am

re: #128 NomadOfNorad

I wonder how many of those 18 million voters where Operation Chaos operatives. :D :D :D :D :D


I was one.

136 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:18:55am

re: #121 Sharmuta

I think the answer is "yes" and "yes". She only stands a chance in 4 years if obama looses now.

Great point. They figure they "endured" 8 years of Bush, they can start now and have 4 years of money raising for hillary

137 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:19:10am

re: #121 Sharmuta

I think the answer is "yes" and "yes". She only stands a chance in 4 years if obama looses now.

Good point. It isn't about McCain as a surrogate for Clinton - it is about still holding out for a Hillary presidency. She's 60 now.

138 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:19:12am

re: #131 jorline

What lizard would have thought a year ago they would be feeling sorry for Hillary...LOL

ROFL!

139 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:19:30am

re: #82 Racer X

I have serious doubts that significant numbers of Hillary supporters will actually pull the lever for McCain. Their ideologies are nowhere near close.

I know a number of dyed-in-the-wool dems who say they will pull the lever for McCain. Don't know if they will do it, but they say they will.

140 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:19:32am

There are limits to party discipline. Most Hillary supporters probably will vote for Obama, but McCain only needs a small fraction to upset the apple cart.

Bill and Hillary have to pay Obama lip service, but once those lying lips are finished, they're outta there. ;-)

141 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:19:50am

Don't get me wrong - I welcome any former Hillary voters over to support McCain. The message should be about welcoming disenfranchised democrats over to the side of sanity - republicans.

142 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:20:01am

re: #84 Sharmuta

Here's the link I saw showing 21% of Hill's peeps going for McCain. Kiss the gender gap good-bye.

[Link: www.stoptheaclu.com...]

This may be true now, but resentment is going to be at a maximum right now during the convention and actual nomination. I think a lot of the disaffected will eventually switch back to Obama, and if he isn't a total idiot (and he isn't) Obama will commit maximal resources to try and ensure that they do.

But again, even if Obama were to ultimately win back 90% of the Hilary supporters, losing 5% of the electorate (ie 10% of Hilary's 50% of the Dem primary vote) all by itself would be a critical injury, possibly a devastating one.

143 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:20:05am

re: #102 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Palin simply doesn't have a resume that supports the idea that she is qualified to be first in succession. I have a very favorable opinion of her, but I cannot help but feel that she needs considerably more seasoning before being selected for such an important office.

I could not agree with you more really grumpy. Palin may be a very nice lady with the "correct" views but her resume is every bit as thin - perhaps thinner - than Obama's. She has no real expertise in anything, she brings nothing to the ticket - not even electoral college votes of any significance - and her "government" experience consists mostly of running a small town in Alaska.

Choosing Palin would infuriate Hillary, who still has designs on being the first female POTUS/VP and it would take McCain's biggest card - experience - and throw it to the four winds. Bad, bad move.

144 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:20:10am

re: #118 jorline

Thanks, HH...how are you today?


Doing great..Realwest is having his surgery right now..hope he does ok..
Going to Kenny Wayne Shepard Saturday night..other than that..same ole same ole..

145 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:20:48am

re: #134 CIA Reject

sorry brother man, maybe I read it too fast. I thought you implied she'd still come out that way after an osama win.

146 opnion  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:21:34am

re: #122 galloping granny

Actually, McCain probably is more sympathetic to real feminist issues that Obama ever thought of being. It does not really matter though. These votes are not about Obama. They are about the treatment of Hillary Clinton and her supporters by the democrat party bosses. Remember that more than a few of these folks you are seeing - like the gal in the ad - have actually been removed from their delegations for voicing a refusal to support Obama.

Once Soros engineered Howard Dean in as DNC Chairman, the party infrastructure has gone from left to radical.
If Obama loses there wii be a purge

147 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:21:41am

re: #65 sattv4u2

any percentage of them (not just the ones at the convention, but across the country) that either votes for Mccain or sits it out is good news. Lets not forget how we got Bill Clintomn in the 1st place !

Well, thanks to Perot, actually.

148 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:21:42am

re: #136 sattv4u2

re: #137 Silhouette

It's the larger chess match going on. Hill's no dummy. It's why she didn't run in 2004- she knew the odds of beating an incumbent President were poor, so she let Kerry go for it. Now she knows that if obama were to win, in 2012 it would be impossible to unseat an incumbent President from your own party.

She only stands a chance in 2012 if obama looses.

149 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:21:57am

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I would say shopped, the shadows of the chair and lamp do not seem to match the side of Barry's face being in shadow

The Big ZERO would have to be utterly clueless to actually pose for that photograph. But then given what we've seen today I wouldn't be surprised if a real version of that photo existed.

150 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:22:05am

Who here is thinking of pulling the lever for Obama just because they do not like McCain?

I thought so.

151 WrathofG-d  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:22:18am

ot:

I asked this on another thread but got no reply. Does anyone know about Panda Internet Security? Is it good?

152 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:22:29am

re: #146 opnion

Once Soros engineered Howard Dean in as DNC Chairman, the party infrastructure has gone from left to radical.
If Obama loses there wii be a purge

Sometimes I wonder if Soros is secretly on our side.

153 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:22:40am

re: #102 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Palin simply doesn't have a resume that supports the idea that she is qualified to be first in succession. I have a very favorable opinion of her, but I cannot help but feel that she needs considerably more seasoning before being selected for such an important office.

US Mail Service published Obama's resume on a new first class stamp.

Hers is certainly more impressive than the competition. And she is cute.

154 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:22:42am

re: #126 Vergeltung

as strange as it is for me to be typing these very words, I find a newly found incrased respect for Hillary, and the way she has dealt with this since the start of this messiah shiite.

I can't believe I just wrote that. really.

* * *
It's ok to acknowledge Hillary was formidable at the end, grinding it out in the primary arena despite lacking charisma & having no friends in the media anymore.

Hillary was up against a media created monster, and didn't give up.

155 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:22:49am

re: #150 Racer X

Who here is thinking of pulling the lever for Obama just because they do not like McCain?

I thought so.

that's differnt. totally.

156 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:22:54am

re: #120 alegrias

* * *
You have to admit at the end of her winning primary challenges, she was standing with regular folks, not the leftist wing of her party which dumped her.

I agree, BUT she's still a Clinton...better than Barry, but still a Clinton. Her mask would have come off eventually and the real Hillary would have re-emerged.

Did I mention she's still a Clinton?

157 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:22:54am

re: #127 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The original conjecture was if McCain picked a woman as his running mate. Cornyn is not part of that discussion.

Oh I know, I just prefer Cornyn over Kay Bailey when it comes to senators.

158 StinkHammer  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:23:02am

re: #122 galloping granny

These votes are not about Obama. They are about the treatment of Hillary Clinton and her supporters by the democrat party bosses. Remember that more than a few of these folks you are seeing - like the gal in the ad - have actually been removed from their delegations for voicing a refusal to support Obama.

True enough as far as it goes. Still, what's the practical point of voting out of "protest" in an anonymous voting procedure? Doesn't a "protest" vote have to be, like, KNOWN as a protest vote in order to curry any significance to the protest-ee? That is, it's not as though anyone can sort out the ballots, identify those cast to McCain by Hillary supporters, then use that tally as a cudgel against Obama & Co. Any reason for votes being cast as they are is a matter of speculation.

I agree with what Mary Matalin said to Glenn Beck last night about the disgruntled Hillary-ites: "They hate us (Republicans) more than they dislike each other." In the end they'll get some unity going.

159 Throbert McGee  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:23:07am

Note the fifth picture down -- dude with sunglasses at the left-hand side:

1) He's either gay or is a straight guy with a scholarly passion for the history of Gay Lib -- I can't think of any other reason why someone would want a T-shirt for NYC's Stonewall Inn. (Which would've been gutted, renovated, and renamed long ago if not for the mythologizing of the "Stonewall Riots" -- there's absolutely nothing interesting about the place otherwise.)

2) Sheesh, who approved the América con Hillary signs? For starters, couldn't they have come up with a Spanish phrasing that didn't use the word "con"? Second, the perception that Hispanic immigrants are unwilling to learn even the most elementary English (such as "Latinos say YES to Hillary") is currently one of the major image problems facing that community -- so a Spanish-only sign sends a terrible message.

160 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:23:24am

re: #150 Racer X

Who here is thinking of pulling the lever for Obama just because they do not like McCain?

I thought so.

I know of one. Not a Lizard, but I do know one republican who is doing this.

161 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:23:52am

Here is the problem for McCain. An embarrasement of riches. Palin, Romney, Lieberman, Powell, Giuliani, Thompson, Whitman, Cohen? Others I fear have to short a resume so that leaves out Jindal and Pawlenty from my short list, which is worth half of what you pay for it. My hope is that all ten of these are on the stage with McCain when he does announce his VP pick and that he clearly states "These are the people who will be running AMerica when I am President. Kitchen or formal cabinet you know the caliber of the people I listen to."

162 Halman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:24:00am

re: #100 Kenneth

Is this photo for real, or is it a photoshop?

photoshopped...the shadow on the painting comes from the left @ 10 oclock and is cut short on right side of painting..notice obamas shadows come from 5 oclock...obama is origional..the painting has been added...

163 opnion  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:24:01am

re: #152 Silhouette

Sometimes I wonder if Soros is secretly on our side.


Nice thought, but no.

164 Athos  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:24:03am

re: #146 opnion

Once Soros engineered Howard Dean in as DNC Chairman, the party infrastructure has gone from left to radical.
If Obama loses there wii be a purge


Yes, but those purged will not be the radicals. The ones to be purged will be those who are not true believers of liberal fascism.

165 x-wing  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:24:07am

re: #150 Racer X

Maybe not here at LGF bbut I've heard from a few personally.

166 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:24:27am

Beats me how any woman can support Hillary. She did more than enable a rapists, she attacked the women after he did. Yet electing her will somehow be great for women -- in what twisted universe? Better they both be prosecuted under RICO statute. That would make more sense. Okay, I feel better now.

167 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:24:30am

re: #100 Kenneth

Is this photo for real, or is it a photoshop?

You win the Internets!

168 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:24:31am

re: #150 Racer X

Who here is thinking of pulling the lever for Obama just because they do not like McCain?

I thought so.


When it comes down to not liking one thing, but absolutely loathing another, the choice is simple.

169 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:24:41am

re: #150 Racer X

Who here is thinking of pulling the lever for Obama just because they do not like McCain?

I thought so.

I wonder how many will not vote at all.

170 Outrider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:24:57am

re: #156 jorline

I agree, BUT she's still a Clinton...better than Barry, but still a Clinton. Her mask would have come off eventually and the real Hillary would have re-emerged.

Did I mention she's still a Clinton?

And still the same old Socialist. A dumped and betrayed Socialist, but a Socialist nonetheless.

171 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:25:34am

re: #142 looking closely

This may be true now, but resentment is going to be at a maximum right now during the convention and actual nomination. I think a lot of the disaffected will eventually switch back to Obama, and if he isn't a total idiot (and he isn't) Obama will commit maximal resources to try and ensure that they do.

But again, even if Obama were to ultimately win back 90% of the Hilary supporters, losing 5% of the electorate (ie 10% of Hilary's 50% of the Dem primary vote) all by itself would be a critical injury, possibly a devastating one.

Are you so sure he isn't a total idiot? I'm not.

You ever hear the saying "The best defense is a good offense"? Look who is playing offense here and who is "defending" himself every single day by "fighting the smears." He simply must answer every little thing in the manner of a kindergarten argument - "Are too! Am not!" and simply cannot ignore anything. Obama is not in charge and has not been in charge for well over a month. It isn't going to change any time soon.

172 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:25:35am

re: #160 Sharmuta

I know of one. Not a Lizard, but I do know one republican who is doing this.

I'd rather cut my own arm off with a rusty blade than push the button for Barry Obama.

173 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:25:44am

re: #145 Vergeltung

sorry brother man, maybe I read it too fast. I thought you implied she'd still come out that way after an osama win.

No worries, I think the only thing I introduced into the stream is that I think she will engineer a big-time purge of the democrat party after BO loses.

And, much to our annoyance, she will spend the next four years campaigning for president!

174 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:25:46am

re: #144 HoosierHoops

Doing great..Realwest is having his surgery right now..hope he does ok..
Going to Kenny Wayne Shepard Saturday night..other than that..same ole same ole..

See my #45 on the previous thread about realwest.

Glad you're doing well my friend.

175 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:26:33am

re: #78 jorline

Hell just dipped below the freezing mark...Hillary's being cheered on LGF.

The ski lifts open next week.

176 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:26:36am

re: #146 opnion

Once Soros engineered Howard Dean in as DNC Chairman, the party infrastructure has gone from left to radical.
If When Obama loses there wii be a purge

I become more convinced by the day that Obama is going to lose in a big way.

177 WrathofG-d  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:26:39am

re: #159 Throbert McGee

Note the fifth picture down -- dude with sunglasses at the left-hand side:

1) He's either gay or is a straight guy with a scholarly passion for the history of Gay Lib -- I can't think of any other reason why someone would want a T-shirt for NYC's Stonewall Inn. (Which would've been gutted, renovated, and renamed long ago if not for the mythologizing of the "Stonewall Riots" -- there's absolutely nothing interesting about the place otherwise.).

Similarly......not going to get into what he seems to be holding in his not placard holding hand.

178 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:26:50am

re: #170 Outrider

And still the same old Socialist. A dumped and betrayed Socialist, but a Socialist nonetheless.

Agree

179 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:27:18am

re: #162 Halman

photoshopped...the shadow on the painting comes from the left @ 10 oclock and is cut short on right side of painting..notice obamas shadows come from 5 oclock...obama is origional..the painting has been added...

My former landlady called it in the comments.

Kenneth: Can you send me an e-mail at my Yahoo address? I came up with a blank screen when I tried to e-mail you from here.

180 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:27:19am

re: #142 looking closely

This may be true now, but resentment is going to be at a maximum right now during the convention and actual nomination. I think a lot of the disaffected will eventually switch back to Obama, and if he isn't a total idiot (and he isn't) Obama will commit maximal resources to try and ensure that they do.

But again, even if Obama were to ultimately win back 90% of the Hilary supporters, losing 5% of the electorate (ie 10% of Hilary's 50% of the Dem primary vote) all by itself would be a critical injury, possibly a devastating one.

I have my doubts about how many will back barry in the end. Many may choose to stay home, so will stay committed to Hill and see she has a chance in 2012. I agree with your take- even a small percentage voting McCain and/or staying home could tip the scale in favor of a McCain win. Barry's got problems, and Hill is not going to help him solve them.

181 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:27:32am

PUMA!

PUMA!

PUMA!PUMA!PUMA!PUMA!

PUMA!

McCainicrat sounds so nice!

PUMA!

182 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:27:39am

re: #130 wright1

I only hope that there are many more where she came from...

Of course her kind will not be welcome in the Roman Coliseum - her sight before Lord Obama is an obamination in his sight! She will be tossed to the Obama-thugs

You didn't hear? The floor will contain lions. Delegates who don't toe the Obama line get thrown there.
Hmm - someone upthread said the Dem platform includes food as a constitutional right, so bread is covered. How about circuses?

183 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:28:01am

re: #150 Racer X

Who here is thinking of pulling the lever for Obama just because they do not like McCain?

I thought so.

Well, consider this...

McCain is usually considered a moderate, and Obama is a radical. Mrs. Clinton is more moderate than Obama, and can be considered to be between the two.

Now, you have some Republicans iffy about McCain because he is seen as too liberal. You have some Democrats iffy about Obama for the same reason, too liberal. The Dems who voted for Hillary this time are more conservative than the ones who voted for Obama. Now, since McCain does have crossover appeal, it is more likely that the more conservative Dems will choose him over Obama, where they would have otherwise voted for Hillary.

No Republican who views McCain as too liberal will vote for the uber-liberal Obama. They'd rather sit the election out instead.

184 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:28:42am

re: #170 Outrider

And still the same old Socialist. A dumped and betrayed Socialist, but a Socialist nonetheless.

I'm just glad that BHO and the DNC are stupid. Had Hillary been placed as the VP they would have been tough to beat.

Life's a box of chocolates...

185 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:28:51am

re: #114 Athos

He's just planned 4 more speaking engagements that require long flights on a private jet to compensate.

Good grief, even Puff Daddy P. Diddy Sean Combs is flying commercial. (Link potentially NSFW.)

186 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:30:04am

re: #182 Kosh's Shadow

We've already got circuses in the form of the effing mainstream media.

187 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:30:06am

re: #177 WrathofG-d

Similarly......not going to get into what he seems to be holding in his not placard holding hand.

Looks like a blue balloon. Throbert, I thought he looked strange wearing a Stonewall shirt, too. Unity, I guess.

188 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:30:16am

re: #161 lifeofthemind

Here is the problem for McCain. An embarrasement of riches. Palin, Romney, Lieberman, Powell, Giuliani, Thompson, Whitman, Cohen? Others I fear have to short a resume so that leaves out Jindal and Pawlenty from my short list, which is worth half of what you pay for it. My hope is that all ten of these are on the stage with McCain when he does announce his VP pick and that he clearly states "These are the people who will be running AMerica when I am President. Kitchen or formal cabinet you know the caliber of the people I listen to."

You might as well add Frank Keating to that list. You can certainly drop a few of the others, although I expect that all or nearly all of them will be at and speak at the convention.

189 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:30:28am

re: #182 Kosh's Shadow

You didn't hear? The floor will contain lions. Delegates who don't toe the Obama line get thrown there.
Hmm - someone upthread said the Dem platform includes food as a constitutional right, so bread is covered. How about circuses?

* * *
You are late to the show! We already had the "Lion" of the Senate, & Admiral of Chappaquidick, the first night, but nary a mention of the pregnant woman he threw under the car, Mary Jane Kopechne.

This whole convention has been a freak show, with circus in the streets.

Friends of Women, My Behind.

190 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:30:39am

re: #181 Iron Fist

PUMA!

PUMA!

PUMA!PUMA!PUMA!PUMA!

PUMA!

McCainicrat sounds so nice!

PUMA!

I think PUMA turned into Prune Juice judging from zombie's current pics...looks like an AARP rally.

191 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:31:10am

If there is anything to this Al-Mansour story from Texas, about the guy who wrote the reccomendation to get Obama into Harvard and if the Ayer's files haven't been scrubbed then we may see the Democrats getting fewer than 180 electoral votes. THe time for a full court press is arriving.

Meantime in the real world small problems such as Syria, Iran, Chavez and the Putin will not go on vacation.

192 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:31:23am

re: #158 StinkHammer

True enough as far as it goes. Still, what's the practical point of voting out of "protest" in an anonymous voting procedure? Doesn't a "protest" vote have to be, like, KNOWN as a protest vote in order to curry any significance to the protest-ee? That is, it's not as though anyone can sort out the ballots, identify those cast to McCain by Hillary supporters, then use that tally as a cudgel against Obama & Co. Any reason for votes being cast as they are is a matter of speculation.

I agree with what Mary Matalin said to Glenn Beck last night about the disgruntled Hillary-ites: "They hate us (Republicans) more than they dislike each other." In the end they'll get some unity going.

Their convention is more than half over. They are no more unified than they were coming in. There is no "bounce" from the VP pick and they aren't getting any from the convention either. I can guarantee you that the Coronation Set that Obama has planned for his big speech is going to go over with the American public like a lead balloon. Almost too late for party unity. . . .

193 barry the baptist  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:31:26am

Unified my ass!

Likely gets worse after 'Bushwack Bill' speaks at the Dem Nut Ball.

194 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:31:57am

My wife is a Hillary supporter. She isn't talking about voting for McCain but she is clearly disappointed and concerned about Obambi. I just keep gently dropping suggestions -- "Boy, McCain seems to be a much better choice now that Hillary is gone, wouldn't you say dear?" -- and hoping she sees the light.

195 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:32:05am

re: #151 WrathofG-d

ot:

I asked this on another thread but got no reply. Does anyone know about Panda Internet Security? Is it good?

Well.. didn't somebody tell you to uninstall Mcafee and try Panda security?
Mcafee is an excellent program..What are you having issues with? If it's more of a spyware problem go with Windows Defender..It's hard to believe Microsoft did such a good job with a spyware program.. and it's free! *fainting*

196 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:32:12am
197 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:32:38am

I love the:

Hillary elected, Obama selected poster

I might have to make one of those for myself just for kicks. It's morons like this who prove why the democrat party should not be allowed to run this country, any other for that matter.

198 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:32:42am

re: #190 jorline

I think PUMA turned into Prune Juice judging from zombie's current pics...looks like an AARP rally.

Heh! [Goes back up and looks at the pictures again] Yeah, now that you mention it...

199 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:33:03am

re: #191 lifeofthemind

If there is anything to this Al-Mansour story from Texas, about the guy who wrote the reccomendation to get Obama into Harvard and if the Ayer's files haven't been scrubbed then we may see the Democrats getting fewer than 180 electoral votes. THe time for a full court press is arriving.

Meantime in the real world small problems such as Syria, Iran, Chavez and the Putin will not go on vacation.


Ok, I missed this. What are you talking about?

200 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:33:05am

re: #183 Honorary Yooper

Thank you! That made perfect sense.

My point is that those who are truly going to vote for McCain, after vehemently supporting Hillary, are probably going to crossover to the republican side in the long term.

Once again the democrat party is leaving their constituents behind.

201 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:33:24am
202 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:33:31am

re: #190 jorline

I think PUMA turned into Prune Juice judging from zombie's current pics...looks like an AARP rally.

* * *
We have discussed on LGF that the AARP is a liberal organization, not your parents' "Association for the Advancement of Retired People".

Have you checked out AARP's magazine? It's leftist to the core, but makes money off yuppies' narcissism.

203 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:33:41am

re: #184 jorline

I'm just glad that BHO and the DNC are stupid. Had Hillary been placed as the VP they would have been tough to beat.

Life's a box of chocolates...

Hillary would never in a million years have played second fiddle to Barrak.

204 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:34:25am

re: #194 joncelli

My wife is a Hillary supporter. She isn't talking about voting for McCain but she is clearly disappointed and concerned about Obambi. I just keep gently dropping suggestions -- "Boy, McCain seems to be a much better choice now that Hillary is gone, wouldn't you say dear?" -- and hoping she sees the light.

Just curious, do you think if Mac picks a female VP it might help bring your wife around?

205 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:34:34am

re: #199 newsjunkie_ky

Ok, I missed this. What are you talking about?


Belmont Club has a thread on it.

206 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:34:52am

re: #181 Iron Fist

PUMA!

PUMA!

PUMA!PUMA!PUMA!PUMA!

PUMA!

McCainicrat sounds so nice!

PUMA!

You're rooting for the Pumas. Obama is apparently seeking the blessing of the goddess Nike while an All-Star liberal lineup quaffs chardonnay. It's so confusing.

207 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:34:56am

re: #188 really grumpy big dog Johnson

You might as well add Frank Keating to that list. You can certainly drop a few of the others, although I expect that all or nearly all of them will be at and speak at the convention.

How long before the Dems jump on the Keating Five thing, anyway? It was a long time ago, and McCain's involvement was minor ("poor judgment"), but who knows?

208 Athos  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:34:57am

The speech did not heal.....

"A lot of people came here just because they wanted to celebrate Hillary," said Elizabeth Fiechter, a New York City lawyer who helped organize the parade. "We get criticism because there's this idea that the election should move on and just leave her behind. We're not going down that quietly."

"It just makes me upset because Hillary would have been the perfect woman to do this job," said Katherine Vincent, from Colorado. "I'm a Democrat first, but it's just difficult to get over."

"I hate Obama so much that I'm going to devote as much time to McCain as I did to Hillary," said Adita Blanco, a Democrat from Edward, Okla., who has never voted for a Republican. "Obama has nothing. He has no experience. The Democratic Party doesn't care about us. You couldn't treat [Clinton] any worse."

Perhaps the best example of the persistent divide in the Democratic Party came after Clinton's speech Tuesday night. The lights went down in the Pepsi Center, and some influential Democrats left downtown for good. They planned to head for the airport and fly home, long before Obama accepts the nomination in a speech at Invesco Field on Thursday night.

Sounds like the floor patrol of the convention will be looking to spread people out to mask the early departures....

209 StinkHammer  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:34:58am

re: #166 HelloDare

Beats me how any woman can support Hillary. She did more than enable a rapists, she attacked the women after he did. Yet electing her will somehow be great for women -- in what twisted universe?

This goes to my point that in the end, these so-called disgruntled Hillary supporters won't actually go for McCain in the numbers many suspect (although there will be a few). Remember, these Hillary supporters are not in her camp simply because she's woman -- they support her because she's a LIBERAL woman. Republican women politicians don't count as actual "women" to these types -- similar to the way liberal blacks don't look upon conservative blacks as actually being black -- they're "Uncle Toms" (witness the treatment of Condi Rice). For them, political ideology trumps identity ideology. After all, if they were truly concerned about women AS women, they would have (among other examples):

A) Condemned Bill Clinton's womanizing dalliances (to put it lightly) as the harassment it was

B) Heralded G.W. Bush for liberating oppressed Iraqi women

Neither of those phenomena happened because their hatred for political conservatives/Republicans trumps their actual concern for women's issues.

210 WrathofG-d  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:35:06am

re: #187 Ward Cleaver

just a balloon huh? that is what they alllll say.....

(ok maybe that is just what it is)

211 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:35:17am

re: #198 NomadOfNorad

Heh! [Goes back up and looks at the pictures again] Yeah, now that you mention it...

LOL...white men in baseball caps, t-shirts, Bermuda shorts, white knee socks and tennis shoes.

212 wright1  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:35:49am

re: #188 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I am not a huge fan of him but if it is victory you want, Powell is your best bet. He also would be a coup but the chances of him joining are less than 1 % - I know he has his flaws but with the economy looming as the issue in this race, Romney is the guy and he knows how to campaign in this rarefied air.

Another tactic is to pick a Southerner since with Biden, the Dems have no traction there except where Obama scores high normally...It might sound kinda crazy bur Howard Ford is a pretty conservative Dem.

213 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:35:59am

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

Not that we can be complacent about it, but I like to think so.

Several people have noted that the "he won't get elected because the country is racist" theme is being drummed very hard, as if to build up a pre-emptive rationale for the loss that will avoid looking at the real reasons.

Exactly. And if you are following the Ayers debacle, he and his campaign are hysterical about trying to bury that. Nobody tries that hard unless there is something truly substantial to hide.

214 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:36:02am

re: #143 galloping granny

I could not agree with you more really grumpy. Palin may be a very nice lady with the "correct" views but her resume is every bit as thin - perhaps thinner - than Obama's. She has no real expertise in anything, she brings nothing to the ticket - not even electoral college votes of any significance - and her "government" experience consists mostly of running a small town in Alaska.

I agree with everything except the her resume being thinner than Obama's. She has executive experience, even if only for a couple of years, and IMO, that far outweighs any amount of purely legislative experience - which is the sum total of Obama's resume.

I generally believe anyone who doesn't have executive experience is really qualified to be President - and this includes McCain. However, McCain can claim executive leadership experience going back to his Navy days as a Squadron Commander.

215 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:36:38am

re: #203 galloping granny

Hillary would never in a million years have played second fiddle to Barrak.

I agree GG, but that was the DNC's best bet. Now she can wait for 2012.

216 RoughRider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:36:51am

I posted this in the Hillary 5 thread earlier today, but will repeat it here since this thread is more active now:

One possible roadblock to the Hillary 2012 coronation will be the 2010 census and the associated reapportionment of electoral votes.

Using 2006 estimates, the 10 states that gained the most population as a percentage of their 2000 population are NV, AZ, GA, UT, ID, FL, TX, CO, NC, and DE. Those states electoral vote totals in 2004 were 124-3 in favor of Bush with only Delaware at #10 going for Kerry.

The 10 states with the smallest (or negative) percentage population growth from 2000 to 2006 are LA, ND, WV, OH, PA, MA, MI, NY, DC, and RI which combined to go 88-37 in favor of Kerry. CA ranks 15th for percent growth. IL is 35th.

In short, Republican states will gain EV's. Democrat states will lose them.

217 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:37:33am

re: #202 alegrias

* * *
We have discussed on LGF that the AARP is a liberal organization, not your parents' "Association for the Advancement of Retired People".

Have you checked out AARP's magazine? It's leftist to the core, but makes money off yuppies' narcissism.

I'm old enough to receive their crap.

218 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:37:34am

AARPs commercials are memorable (a bunch of kids talking abut how adults have it better than kids now, in that they've got more time to play...) but I have no intention of ever signing up. Oddly, I'm a 40-something, and they've been sending me stuff in the mail asking if I want to join. WTF?!?

219 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:37:39am
220 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:37:41am

re: #17 Diamond Bullet

Maybe Clinton will pull a Samson and tear down Obama's paper-mache Greek pillars on his head. Bill will presumably already have provided the jawbone of the ass.

Thanks, I just chocked on my ginger ale....too funny!

221 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:37:41am

re: #143 galloping granny

I could not agree with you more really grumpy. Palin may be a very nice lady with the "correct" views but her resume is every bit as thin - perhaps thinner - than Obama's. She has no real expertise in anything, she brings nothing to the ticket - not even electoral college votes of any significance - and her "government" experience consists mostly of running a small town in Alaska.

Choosing Palin would infuriate Hillary, who still has designs on being the first female POTUS/VP and it would take McCain's biggest card - experience - and throw it to the four winds. Bad, bad move.

I tend to agree, mostly. The more I learn about Palin, the more I like. Still, with the "Drill here, drill now" meme gaining strength, I think she could do more good staying in Alaska and supporting the domestic drilling agenda there. Alaska will be a hot theater on the domestic oil front, and I'd rather have someone like her in charge there when things get serious.

222 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:37:41am

The PUMAs apparently revived that dreary Maya Angelou poem "Rise". Gah.

223 x-wing  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:37:58am

re: #199 newsjunkie_ky

Here he is

224 StinkHammer  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:37:58am

re: #192 galloping granny

Almost too late for party unity. . . .

Too late? The deadline for party unity is when the actual votes are cast in November.

225 Outrider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:38:03am

re: #193 barry the baptist

Unified my ass!

Likely gets worse after 'Bushwack Bill' speaks at the Dem Nut Ball.

I wonder what the impact would be if the DNC gave Pres Clinton the speach time they gave Pres Carter. A quick wave and escort off.

226 HBob  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:38:03am

The marchers look like they are well groomed, bathed and well behaved.

They'll probably vote for McCain.

227 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:38:15am

re: #207 Ward Cleaver

How long before the Dems jump on the Keating Five thing, anyway? It was a long time ago, and McCain's involvement was minor ("poor judgment"), but who knows?

His only association is having the same name. If the dems want to push it, it only makes them look foolish. Keating has pretty high qualifications, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was vetted. He's been in McCain's camp since day one, and they are very good friends.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

228 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:38:28am

re: #171 galloping granny

Are you so sure he isn't a total idiot? I'm not.


Yes, I'm sure Obama is not a total idiot.

More relevant, I'm also sure that the ones managing his campaign (although not the best available) aren't total idiots either. They know they need the votes of Hilary's supporters to win the election, though how many of them they will ultimately lose remains to be seen.

You ever hear the saying "The best defense is a good offense"? Look who is playing offense here and who is "defending" himself every single day by "fighting the smears."

I agree completely, but I think this is happening for reasons other than the intelligence of Obama's campaign. IMO, Obama is being successfully pounded hard by McCain for two reasons:

a. Obama just has so much dirt on him. He's been connected to a shockingly high number of crooks and America-haters, and bad political decisions, that he is a ripe target for attack ads. McCain's attacks are succeeding largely because they are true.

b. Obama is so green he doesn't have any sort of strong record to draw on, nor a well-defined political identity. Love him or hate him, you know Ted Kennedy has accomplished a lot in his political career, and you know where he stands on issues. Obama? A year ago most of the USA had literally never heard of Senator Obama.

Obama's campaign has worked extremely well to create an Obama "brand" (with its own logo and hand symbols, no less). But the brand is hollow since there is no political experience or history its tacked onto and Obama has been remarkably vague with his "hope and change" rhetoric. Lacking a well-established political identity its easy for McCain to create one for Obama, to Obama's detriment.

229 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:38:31am

re: #148 Sharmuta

Not necessarily true. If Obama's as big a disaster as Jimmy Carter, she can try to unseat him. It'd be an uphill slog, but she could try.

For the country, you know.

230 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:38:34am

re: #207 Ward Cleaver

How long before the Dems jump on the Keating Five thing, anyway? It was a long time ago, and McCain's involvement was minor ("poor judgment"), but who knows?

I think they tried a couple of weeks back, but the Fox special on McCain really pre-empted anything negative that they might say.

231 Cognito  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:38:56am

re: #47 pat

Do not think for a moment that those people will actually vote for McCain. This is a grievance ploy.

I agree. They'll say it right up until the moment they pull the lever.

/Lever? What is this the 18th Century?

232 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:39:00am

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, life is like a box of Chiclets. Whenever it loses flavor, blame the Chews.

Leave it up to you buzz...too funny...ding

233 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:39:11am

re: #151 WrathofG-d

ot:

I asked this on another thread but got no reply. Does anyone know about Panda Internet Security? Is it good?

I would think a wolverine would offer better security. Panda's are just cuddly and cute...

234 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:39:17am

re: #216 RoughRider

One possible roadblock to the Hillary 2012 coronation will be the 2010 census and the associated reapportionment of electoral votes.

Interesting, but the one definite roadblock to Hillary in 2012 is President obama. After last night- expect zero help from the clintons towards barry.

235 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:39:23am

re: #208 Athos

The speech did not heal.....

Sounds like the floor patrol of the convention will be looking to spread people out to mask the early departures....

Or bussing more people in to fill the gaps...

236 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:40:30am

re: #190 jorline

The don't have to be MILF, just anti-Obama voters. They do look a little long in the tooth, though. As long as they can totter into the voting booth and pull the McCain lever. That's what's important.

237 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:40:36am

re: #209 StinkHammer

Yes, that twisted universe.

238 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:40:39am

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, life is like a box of Chiclets. Whenever it loses flavor, blame the Chews.

You're definitely not Dentyne our faith in your punning skills.

239 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:40:46am

re: #229 Iron Fist

Not necessarily true. If Obama's as big a disaster as Jimmy Carter, she can try to unseat him. It'd be an uphill slog, but she could try.

For the country, you know.

That would still be extremely difficult. When has a candidate unseated the incumbent President to become the nominee?

240 Athos  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:40:46am

re: #229 Iron Fist

The problem is that in 1980, Teddy ran on that hope and failed. It's similar to the same reason why so many democrat Senators who had plenty of reasons to not like Bill Clinton stood lock, stock, and barrel behind him during impeachment.

241 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:41:14am

re: #214 Semper Gumbi

I agree with everything except the her resume being thinner than Obama's. She has executive experience, even if only for a couple of years, and IMO, that far outweighs any amount of purely legislative experience - which is the sum total of Obama's resume.

I generally believe anyone who doesn't have executive experience is really qualified to be President - and this includes McCain. However, McCain can claim executive leadership experience going back to his Navy days as a Squadron Commander.

"Executive" experience in a tiny little Alaska fishing village is a whole different ballgame than the kind of real executive experience that a woman like Meg ?(lousy with names, used to be CEO at eBay until not long ago) brings to the table.

242 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:42:00am

re: #240 Athos

The problem is that in 1980, Teddy ran on that hope and failed.

And if a kennedy can't do it, what makes Hill think she could do it to the obamessiah?

243 StinkHammer  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:42:05am

re: #231 Cognito

They'll say [they're McCAin supporters] right up until the moment they pull the lever.

My point exactly. ;^)

244 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:43:12am

I wonder how many of these Hillary protesters are 60s radicals that just got older rather than wiser...

245 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:43:20am

Gotta do stuff. Bye.

246 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:43:28am

re: #239 Sharmuta

That would still be extremely difficult. When has a candidate unseated the incumbent President to become the nominee?

Weren't Johnson and Carter single term dems who lost the party nomination?

247 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:44:43am

re: #238 Occasional Reader

You're definitely not Dentyne our faith in your punning skills.

Keep Trident, you'll get it.

248 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:44:55am

re: #246 filetandrelease

Weren't Johnson and Carter single term dems who lost the party nomination?

Johnson declined to seek a nomination for a second term. Carter got it, and lost.

249 Outrider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:45:20am

re: #243 StinkHammer

My point exactly. ;^)

That's the norm. Many people say they are for one candidate or the other, until they get in front of the screen (or behind the curtain) then they vote as THEY want, not as their friends or spouses push for. If Gore had as many votes as folks _saying_ they voted for him, he should have won by a landslide.

250 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:45:41am

re: #246 filetandrelease

Weren't Johnson and Carter single term dems who lost the party nomination?

No. Johnson didn't run again and Carter did win the nomination.

251 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:45:49am

re: #247 Racer X

Keep Trident, you'll get it.

I used to be a Glister gum guy until Quixtar stopped making it. :-|

252 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:45:57am

re: #246 filetandrelease

LBJ initially planned to run for a second term but withdrew as his first full term turned into a full-bore disaster. Carter ran for the second term and fended off a Kennedy run. Ford fended off a Reagan run. Only in LBJ's case did the opponent get the nomination.

253 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:45:58am
254 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:46:10am

[PSEUDOLUS]
Lovers divided
Get co-incided.
Something for everyone--

[HERO & PHILIA]
A comedy tonight!

[PSEUDOLUS]
Father and mother
Get one another.

[DOMINA]
Something for everyone--

[SENEX]
A tragedy tonight!

[MILES]
I get the twins, they get the best.

[ERRONIUS]
I get a family.

[HYSTERIUM]
I get a rest.

[SOLDIERS]
We get a few girls.

[LYCUS]
I get some new girls.

[PSEUDOLUS]
I get the thing I want to be:
Free!

[ALL]
Free! Free! Free! Free! Free!
Nothing for kings, nothing for crowns.
Bring on the lovers, liars and clowns!
What is the moral?
Must be a moral.
Here is the moral, wrong or right:

[PSEUDOLUS]
Morals tomorrow!

[ALL]
Comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy,
Comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy tonight!

255 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:46:11am

re: #229 Iron Fist

Not necessarily true. If Obama's as big a disaster as Jimmy Carter, she can try to unseat him. It'd be an uphill slog, but she could try.

For the country, you know.


But jimmah won his party's nomination even as bad as he was.

256 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:46:23am

re: #248 Occasional Reader

Thanks for clarifing.

257 x-wing  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:46:29am

re: #248 Occasional Reader

Yeah is was Humphrey whole stole it in 1968

258 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:46:51am

re: #214 Semper Gumbi

I agree with everything except the her resume being thinner than Obama's. She has executive experience, even if only for a couple of years, and IMO, that far outweighs any amount of purely legislative experience - which is the sum total of Obama's resume.

I generally believe anyone who doesn't have executive experience is really qualified to be President - and this includes McCain. However, McCain can claim executive leadership experience going back to his Navy days as a Squadron Commander.


What executive experience does Hilary have? Her failed healthcare initiative? Her commodity trading experience?

IMO, being first lady doesn't count (at all), and by that logic Laura Bush is equally qualified to be President as Hill Clinton.

As to the latter, I agree, McCain is actually thin on executive experience, and IMO that matters, but the little he has still vastly exceeds that of the other two. Quality there does trump quantity.

Also McCain has a tremendous amount of legislative experience with an actual record of getting things done in Congress (something that can't be said of either of the other two). That should count for something, I think.

259 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:47:06am

For all her faults, Hillary is not stupid- she will not run in 2012 if obama wins. Her only shot at 2012 is an obama loss.

260 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:47:28am

re: #236 Iron Fist

The don't have to be MILF, just anti-Obama voters. They do look a little long in the tooth, though. As long as they can totter into the voting booth and pull the McCain lever. That's what's important.

I hear you and agree Iron Fist.

Anyone tell you "you rule", Iron Fist...LOL...sorry, couldn't pass that one up.

261 StinkHammer  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:47:47am

re: #214 Semper Gumbi

I generally believe anyone who doesn't have executive experience is really qualified to be President - and this includes McCain.

Posted on an earlier thread --

Dave Barry funnin' on Obama/Hillary:

It's hard to blame Sen. Clinton for being bitter. Here she is, the smartest human ever, PLUS she spent all those years standing loyally behind Bill Clinton wearing uncomfortable pantyhose (I mean Hillary was, not Bill) (although there are rumors), PLUS she went to the trouble and expense of acquiring a legal residence in New York State so she could be a senator from there, PLUS she assembled a team of nuclear-physicist-grade genius political advisors, PLUS she spent years going around to every dirtbag community in America explaining in detail her 23-point policy solutions for every single problem facing the nation including soybean blight. And after all that, she loses the nomination to a guy who has roughly the same amount of executive governmental experience as Hannah Montana. Hillary is like: "Are you KIDDING me?''

262 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:48:08am

re: #259 Sharmuta

To think I'm rooting on the same side as Hillary Clinton. Is that fucked up, or what?

263 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:49:02am

re: #247 Racer X

Keep Trident, you'll get it.

I just keep a Carefree attitude about the whole thing.

264 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:49:02am

Hard to imagine Carter winning the party nomination for the second term. I just assumed the dem's couldn't be that blind, ..............

265 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:49:04am
266 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:49:10am

re: #262 Iron Fist

To think I'm rooting on the same side as Hillary Clinton. Is that fucked up, or what?

LMAO...see my #78...ditto

267 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:49:42am

re: #151 WrathofG-d

ot:

I asked this on another thread but got no reply. Does anyone know about Panda Internet Security? Is it good?

I got it - I like it - it does excellent online scans on demand (am running one right now!) - I can really recommend it.

268 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:49:48am

re: #262 Iron Fist

To think I'm rooting on the same side as Hillary Clinton. Is that fucked up, or what?

I hear ya! That's why they say politics makes for strange bedfellows.

269 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:49:58am
270 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:49:58am

re: #216 RoughRider

I'm not convinced that those figures are a reliable indicator of how the "growth" states will vote. Unfortunately I see a trend of moonbats "fleeing" traditional liberal sanctuaries (ie NY) after running them into the ground to more attractive areas (ie VA) where they promptly start setting up the conditions that they were running away from.

So which states are growing is not as big an indicator as is WHO is going there- IMHO.

271 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:51:08am

re: #253 buzzsawmonkey

The older-but-not-wiser radicals are doddering around the more wacky protests, I think.

Very true. Still, the agedness of the people in these pictures makes me wonder if they're not all 60s liberals who simply never let go of their 60s mindset...

272 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:51:27am

re: #269 buzzsawmonkey

It depends on whether she finds more truffles than you do.

Depends on whether IF meant "rooting" in the Australian sense of the word. If so... well, there are indeed rumors that Hillary "roots on the same side" as you, IF!

273 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:51:35am

re: #213 galloping granny

Exactly. And if you are following the Ayers debacle, he and his campaign are hysterical about trying to bury that. Nobody tries that hard unless there is something truly substantial to hide.

* * *
Ayers: Unapologetic bomber of our Pentagon and US Capitol, the seat of our fantastic democracy and our national defense.

Ayers: Photographed recently smiling while stepping on a US flag.

Ayers: Less than accurate accounting for educational grants from the Chicago Annenberg (Billions) Challenge... NOT commonly accepted standards of accounting, anyway, outside of the Southside of Crony Chicago.

274 x-wing  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:51:36am

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

My bad. Memory needs re-ajusted.

275 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:51:42am

re: #241 galloping granny

"Executive" experience in a tiny little Alaska fishing village is a whole different ballgame than the kind of real executive experience that a woman like Meg ?(lousy with names, used to be CEO at eBay until not long ago) brings to the table.


Tiny Alaska fishing village plus 2 years or so as State Governor. OTOH, I agree there are women out there with more experience than Governor Palin. Meg plus Carly Fiorna both come to mind.

My only disagreement with your original post was the statement that her resume was thinner than Obama's. Obama has never in his life successfully led anything, as far as I can tell.

276 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:52:32am

re: #204 filetandrelease

Maybe. She claims that it's not about voting for a female, but I don't think she'd be comfortable voting for two men if a female was on another viable ticket.

277 HBob  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:52:38am

re: #25 lawhawk

Meanwhile, delegate votes are being cast. Unfortunately, it looks like the party is going to make sure that this doesn't become a full floor vote - and that the nomination will be done by acclimation.

In other words - so it was said, so shall it be done.

The Republicans need to run with this. Republicans don't have "Super Delegates". Where's any sense of equality in having a delegate and also a "Super Delegate"? Stalinist garbage. Republicans run a clean, simple race without all the appeasing and conniving bullcrap that goes on behind closed doors at the Democratic Conventions.

278 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:53:13am

re: #246 filetandrelease

Weren't Johnson and Carter single term dems who lost the party nomination?

Carter got the party nomination, despite a strong Primary battle with Kennedy. If you are referring to LBJ, he chose not to run for re-election.

279 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:53:43am

re: #217 jorline

I'm old enough to receive their crap.

* * *
I will not accept their leftist crap! Just say no. They only want your money and to influence your vote for "free" healthcare.

280 The Dajjal  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:54:10am

So all the people who will only vote for a woman as president because she's a woman, had their day in the sun. Hooray for them..

Now they need to let all the people who will only vote for a black as president because he's black, have theirs.

281 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:54:17am

re: #275 Semper Gumbi

Tiny Alaska fishing village plus 2 years or so as State Governor. OTOH, I agree there are women out there with more experience than Governor Palin. Meg plus Carly Fiorna both come to mind.

My only disagreement with your original post was the statement that her resume was thinner than Obama's. Obama has never in his life successfully led anything, as far as I can tell.

Other than possibly Democrat lemmings off a political cliff.

282 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:54:26am

re: #273 alegrias

Ayers: Photographed recently smiling while stepping on a US flag.

Hey, Obama was only eight forty years old when that photo was taken! So it doesn't count!

283 wright1  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:54:49am

re: #280 The Dajjal

So very true.

284 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:54:50am

re: #218 NomadOfNorad

AARPs commercials are memorable (a bunch of kids talking abut how adults have it better than kids now, in that they've got more time to play...) but I have no intention of ever signing up. Oddly, I'm a 40-something, and they've been sending me stuff in the mail asking if I want to join. WTF?!?

* * *
They sell insurance products, they want your dollars.

285 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:54:57am

The 2000 elected was broadly called into question, and an attempt was made in 2004 to do so although it failed miserably. Now, Hillary folks are using the elected/selected crap. This seems to be the point in USA's history where the electoral process starts breaking down. Thanks, Al Gore.

286 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:55:13am

re: #218 NomadOfNorad

AARPs commercials are memorable (a bunch of kids talking abut how adults have it better than kids now, in that they've got more time to play...) but I have no intention of ever signing up. Oddly, I'm a 40-something, and they've been sending me stuff in the mail asking if I want to join. WTF?!?

I don't plan to join, either (I'll be eligible in a couple of years). My mom gets their magazine, and I'm amazed at how superficial the articles are.

287 nikis-knight  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:55:17am

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

Not that we can be complacent about it, but I like to think so.

Several people have noted that the "he won't get elected because the country is racist" theme is being drummed very hard, as if to build up a pre-emptive rationale for the loss that will avoid looking at the real reasons.

Yeah, and while annoying, I don't think those explanations will do anything. People know that they aren't racists, and Leftists already think everyone is anyway.

288 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:55:34am

re: #229 Iron Fist

Not necessarily true. If Obama's as big a disaster as Jimmy Carter, she can try to unseat him. It'd be an uphill slog, but she could try.

For the country, you know.

If President Obama turned out to be like President Carter, that would virtually assure a Republican landslide in the next election. You need a Carter to ensure a Reagan, so to speak.

I don't know if an incumbent has ever been unseated in a US Presidential challenge, but at best, it would be an extremely difficult fight, and personally in debt to the tune of several million dollars from this attempt, Hilary might not want to chance it.

A more realistic chance for Hilary would be if Obama were unable to complete his term in office (due to scandal, for example, or less likely, physical incapacitation), or simply didn't seek re-election due to massive unpopularity, knowing that he wouldn't win.

That would be a better opening for Hill, though again, the country would more likely choose a Republican then.

289 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:56:02am

re: #284 alegrias

* * *
They sell insurance products, they want your dollars.

Well, they're not getting one thin dime from me! :D :D ;D :D

290 Halman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:56:03am

Imagine if Hillary pulled a Lieberman...Goes Independent. Drinks are on me...

291 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:56:03am

re: #282 Occasional Reader

Hey, Obama was only eight forty years old when that photo was taken! So it doesn't count!

Emotionally, he's still eight.

292 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:57:20am

re: #290 Halman

Imagine if Hillary pulled a Lieberman...Goes Independent. Drinks are on me...

Third party? Hilarity ensues.

/hill-arity. get it?

293 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:57:37am

re: #258 looking closely

What executive experience does Hilary have? Her failed healthcare initiative? Her commodity trading experience?

IMO, being first lady doesn't count (at all), and by that logic Laura Bush is equally qualified to be President as Hill Clinton.

Couldn't agree more.

294 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:58:02am

re: #290 Halman

Imagine if Hillary pulled a Lieberman...Goes Independent. Drinks are on me...

Not gonna happen. She know that a) she couldn't win, and b) she'd be cast into the outer darkness by the Democratic Party.

Her hope is to run as a Dem in 2012. She needs McCain to win, then do a bad job.

295 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:58:31am

Conspiracy theory says that the march was set off early so the press couldn't get an accurate count.

296 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:58:33am

I can't really see Hilldog supporters voting McCain...

I can, however, imagine them as disillusioned and not voting at all.

...And there may be enough "sitting this one out" folks to get McCain elected.

297 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:58:56am

re: #294 Occasional Reader

He doesn't even have to do a bad job. MSNBC will see to it that everyone *thinks* he's done a bad job, no matter what happens.

298 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:59:06am

re: #264 filetandrelease

Hard to imagine Carter winning the party nomination for the second term. I just assumed the dem's couldn't be that blind, ..............


Carter's biggest internal opposition for his second term was Ted Kennedy. Chew on that for a moment.

As to the second bit, the Dems are about to nominate someone who has even LESS executive and military experience than Carter, so I'd argue, sure, they ARE that blind.

299 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:59:16am

re: #290 Halman

Imagine if Hillary pulled a Lieberman...Goes Independent. Drinks are on me...

Basil Hayden for me, please.

300 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 11:59:56am

re: #275 Semper Gumbi

Tiny Alaska fishing village plus 2 years or so as State Governor. OTOH, I agree there are women out there with more experience than Governor Palin. Meg plus Carly Fiorna both come to mind.

He is probably not interested in the job, but I think Mark Schweiker would be a good choice for McCain's VP.

301 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:00:21pm

re: #273 alegrias

* * *
Ayers: Unapologetic bomber of our Pentagon and US Capitol, the seat of our fantastic democracy and our national defense.

Ayers: Photographed recently smiling while stepping on a US flag.

Ayers: Less than accurate accounting for educational grants from the Chicago Annenberg (Billions) Challenge... NOT commonly accepted standards of accounting, anyway, outside of the Southside of Crony Chicago.

I think this one is going to blow sky high, probably next week. Michelle Malkin reports that UIC finally gave up the goodies and Stanley Kurtz is on the case today. For anyone who needs background on the shenanigans at the library, Kurtz writes about it at National Review Online.

302 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:00:24pm

re: #217 jorline

I'm old enough to receive their crap.

And I even get spam from the AARP. I also find their ads annoying.

303 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:00:38pm

re: #231 Cognito

I agree. They'll say it right up until the moment they pull the lever.

/Lever? What is this the 18th Century?

* * *
Every jurisdiction has its own voting equipment, some old, some new.

304 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:00:40pm
305 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:00:55pm

re: #288 looking closely

A more realistic chance ...or simply didn't seek re-election due to massive unpopularity, knowing that he wouldn't win.


Obama's ego wouldn't allow him not to run for re-election, no matter how unpopular he was. :)

306 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:00:56pm

re: #291 Ward Cleaver

Emotionally, he's still eight.

I'd say around four. A normal eight-year-old child's ego is much healthier than BHO's. The former knows that the world does not revolve around him, that people WILL pay attention to his transgressions no matter how much he trie to redirect them.

307 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:01:09pm

re: #290 Halman

Imagine if Hillary pulled a Lieberman...Goes Independent. Drinks are on me...

Hillary/Nadar '08

308 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:01:19pm

I don't think McCain needs any favors from the democrats to win. Reagan, Bush, and Bush all won because the midwest liked what they had to say. Repubs get in trouble when they start trying to fight the Democrats' battles. They need to push their own agenda and point out times when the dems are idiots, fertile grounds in the case of BO

309 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:01:23pm

re: #300 CIA Reject

Too obscure. Even in PA you'll get a blank look when you mention his name without the context of his succeeding Ridge.

310 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:01:31pm

re: #258 looking closely

What executive experience does Hilary have? Her failed healthcare initiative? Her commodity trading experience?

IMO, being first lady doesn't count (at all), and by that logic Laura Bush is equally qualified to be President as Hill Clinton.

As to the latter, I agree, McCain is actually thin on executive experience, and IMO that matters, but the little he has still vastly exceeds that of the other two. Quality there does trump quantity.

Also McCain has a tremendous amount of legislative experience with an actual record of getting things done in Congress (something that can't be said of either of the other two). That should count for something, I think.

Twenty+ years as a high ranking officer in the United States Navy hardly qualifies as "a little bit" of executive experience.

311 harrylook  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:03:04pm

McCainocrats, I am so mouthing "I love you" right now....

312 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:03:22pm

re: #300 CIA Reject

He is probably not interested in the job, but I think Mark Schweiker would be a good choice for McCain's VP.

Interesting dark horse. I'd not heard that name before.

313 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:03:36pm

re: #303 alegrias

* * *
Every jurisdiction has its own voting equipment, some old, some new.

We don't even use punchcards anymore, in Collin Co. (Texas). It's touchscreen voting with Smart Cards.

314 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:03:39pm

re: #285 cliffster

The 2000 elected was broadly called into question, and an attempt was made in 2004 to do so although it failed miserably. Now, Hillary folks are using the elected/selected crap. This seems to be the point in USA's history where the electoral process starts breaking down. Thanks, Al Gore.

Waiting for Al to explain why he didn't ask for a recount in Florida...

315 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:03:49pm

Things you learn surfing the web.
Romania has a Ministry of Culture and Cults.
Their military base in Iraq is named Camp Dracula.

316 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:03:55pm

re: #294 Occasional Reader

Not gonna happen. She know that a) she couldn't win, and b) she'd be cast into the outer darkness by the Democratic Party.

Her hope is to run as a Dem in 2012. She needs McCain to win, then do a bad job.

I agree. I think there will secret dealings with the McCain people to get Hill voters to either stay home or go for McCain. She's not going to lift a finger to help obama, but she will lift a finger to help herself in 4 years time.

317 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:04:13pm

re: #311 harrylook

McCainocrats, I am so mouthing "I love you" right now....

I'll leave the room.

/somebody throw a blanket over harry

318 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:05:01pm

re: #298 looking closely

Carter's biggest internal opposition for his second term was Ted Kennedy. Chew on that for a moment.

As to the second bit, the Dems are about to nominate someone who has even LESS executive and military experience than Carter, so I'd argue, sure, they ARE that blind.


And Chappaquidick(sp) is most likely the reason that Kennedy didn't succeed in unseating Carter.

319 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:05:06pm
320 Halman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:05:17pm

re: #307 Silhouette

Hillary/Nadar '08

Thats the Ticket...Perot all over again..Spoilers..Put the final nail in obama's coffin..

321 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:05:21pm

A little humor from Wiki

William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born 1944) is a United States professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, known for his work in school reform and community organizing.

I don't know what is funnier - that, although it mentions his terrorism later, it doesn't say that is what he is known for - or that it lists "community organizing" as his accomplishment.

322 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:06:00pm

re: #297 cliffster

He doesn't even have to do a bad job. MSNBC will see to it that everyone *thinks* he's done a bad job, no matter what happens.

I agree, but that didn't stop Bush from winning election twice.

McCain, also, I think is not likely to adopt the "turn the other cheek" response to criticism that Bush has.

323 Cognito  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:06:08pm

re: #311 harrylook

McCainocrats, I am so mouthing "I love you" right now....

I'm in the mirror, writing it backward on my eyelids, so when I blink my peepers they'll get the secret message... lurve...

324 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:06:15pm

re: #139 Creeping Eruption

I know a number of dyed-in-the-wool dems who say they will pull the lever for McCain. Don't know if they will do it, but they say they will.

I do too, and I think they're serious about it and unlikely to change their minds.

325 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:07:01pm

re: #309 joncelli

re: #312 Semper Gumbi

Interesting dark horse. I'd not heard that name before.

Everybody in America will remember him, and remember him fondly, as soon as you mention this.

326 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:07:13pm

re: #321 Silhouette

A little humor from Wiki


I don't know what is funnier - that, although it mentions his terrorism later, it doesn't say that is what he is known for - or that it lists "community organizing" as his accomplishment.

Well he helped organize Obama and with an ego that big he counts as a community of one. Does the Weather Underground count as a community?

327 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:07:33pm

re: #282 Occasional Reader

Hey, Obama was only eight forty years old when that photo was taken! So it doesn't count!

* * *
Wasn't that the dumbest logic used to excuse a crime! As if leftism has changed in 40 years!

As Simon & Garfunkel might have said,

Still terrorist after all these years!

328 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:07:56pm
329 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:08:38pm

re: #298 looking closely

As to the second bit, the Dems are about to nominate someone who has even LESS executive and military experience than Carter, so I'd argue, sure, they ARE that blind.

The blind leading the blind, scary. (Obama leading the Oba-masses)

330 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:09:01pm

re: #301 doppelganglander

I was over there reading about that as well.

It does not look good.

Question.

Obama gets the nomination. The shit starts hitting the fan with this stuff. It becomes blatantly obvious he stands no chance.

Does that party have any recourse to put Hillary in the spot after the convention?

331 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:09:03pm

re: #140 quickjustice

Bill and Hillary have to pay Obama lip service, but once those lying lips are finished, they're outta there. ;-)

Reposted from the earlier thread:

Apropos the Clintons, here's some entertainment:
[Link:

332 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:09:44pm

re: #324 Son of the Black Dog

I do too, and I think they're serious about it and unlikely to change their minds.

Me too. Most of my family have stated right along that under no circumstances would they vote for Obama. In fairness, virtually none of them would have voted for Hillary either, even though they are normally dems.

333 harrylook  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:10:16pm

re: #328 ploome hineni

what is 'community orginizer'?

Excellent question. From reading Dreams from My Father, as far as I can tell, it involves manipulating people by race-baiting and generally telling people what they want to hear. It also comprises guilting/bribing/threatening the government into writing checks to you.

334 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:10:16pm

re: #297 cliffster

He doesn't even have to do a bad job. MSNBC will see to it that everyone *thinks* he's done a bad job, no matter what happens.

That sort of shenanigans only works so far before it starts looking contrived and transparent. If you do nothing but bash the Right and talk glowingly about the Left, even when the guy on the Left hasn't done anything of merit, indefinately... after awhile it all just starts to look fake and insincere.

335 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:10:27pm
336 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:10:30pm

re: #285 cliffster

The 2000 elected was broadly called into question, and an attempt was made in 2004 to do so although it failed miserably. Now, Hillary folks are using the elected/selected crap. This seems to be the point in USA's history where the electoral process starts breaking down. Thanks, Al Gore.

* * *
McCain bears some responsibility for the close 2000 election.

Like HIllary, in 2000, McCain grudgingly "supported" the nominee of his party, grudgingly turned over his McCainiac delegates, and went out & campaigned for G.W. Bush.

But not whole-heartedly.

337 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:10:33pm

re: #285 cliffster

The 2000 elected was broadly called into question, and an attempt was made in 2004 to do so although it failed miserably. Now, Hillary folks are using the elected/selected crap. This seems to be the point in USA's history where the electoral process starts breaking down. Thanks, Al Gore.

Not sure if I'd blame alGore for the breakdown. What America desperately needs is a strong leader who can clearly define what they want to accomplish and how to do it.

Weak politicians cause confusion.

338 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:11:15pm

re: #306 MandyManners

I'd say around four. A normal eight-year-old child's ego is much healthier than BHO's. The former knows that the world does not revolve around him, that people WILL pay attention to his transgressions no matter how much he trie to redirect them.

And, an eight-year-old child probably won't pitch a hissy fit and try to get big daddy (the DoJ) to make you stop saying mean things about him.

339 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:11:27pm

Obama’s Friend, America’s Enemy
By the Editors

Have you ever been a friend or business associate of a terrorist? Not someone who, to your shock and horror, turned out secretly to have bombed government buildings. No, the question is whether you’ve ever befriended an unreconstructed radical whose past was well known to you when you entered his orbit and walked through doors he opened for you. Have you been chummy with an unapologetic terrorist who, years after you’d known and worked closely with him, was still telling the New York Times he regretted only failing to carry out more attacks — and that America still “makes me want to puke”?

Barack Obama has.

340 daddyo  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:11:37pm

re: #318 Semper Gumbi

And Chappaquidick(sp) is most likely the reason that Kennedy didn't succeed in unseating Carter.


A Blond in every Pond

/bumper sticker

341 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:11:37pm

re: #330 formercorpsman

I was over there reading about that as well.

It does not look good.

Question.

Obama gets the nomination. The shit starts hitting the fan with this stuff. It becomes blatantly obvious he stands no chance.

Does that party have any recourse to put Hillary in the spot after the convention?

Not that I know of.

BTW - here is John McCain's new ad of the day -
[Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

342 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:12:21pm

re: #305 Semper Gumbi

Obama's ego wouldn't allow him not to run for re-election, no matter how unpopular he was. :)


You're probably right about that.

But it wouldn't be totally unprecedented. LBJ had a huge ego too, but he was a Democrat who withdrew a bid for a second term when it became apparent to him that he likely wouldn't get it.

343 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:12:33pm

re: #319 ploome hineni

or what's left of the goodies

/check pants and socks

Already posted the Yes Minister all purpose response to a request for documents. "This contains all ... except for those lost... in the floods or ..when the MInistry of Defense was merged ... (etc.)" Results? Nada

344 maddogg  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:13:31pm

One thing Hillary can say about the Democratic election:


'I didn't get loved, but I did get screwed."

345 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:13:47pm

Is a Community Organizer a new name for a Disk Jockey?

346 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:13:57pm

Breaking: All McCain aides will follow President Clinton's lead and leave tonight after his speech.

347 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:14:43pm

re: #328 ploome hineni

what is 'community orginizer'?

seems to me the same people, with these forever orginizers, are the same population decade after decade

and these individuals seem to multiply

what do these orginizers do, actually?

find way to keep these people on welfare?

One of the things Obama supposedly did was to lobby to get an unemployment office established in an area of town where people had to travel a long distance to find one.

That sort of thing....

348 harrylook  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:14:55pm

granny (341), thanks for the link. Is it me or has McCain put together the best collection of attack ads in television history? Can't wait for the next one!

349 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:15:13pm
350 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:15:13pm

re: #313 Ward Cleaver

We don't even use punchcards anymore, in Collin Co. (Texas). It's touchscreen voting with Smart Cards.

My town still uses hand-counted paper ballots.

351 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:15:15pm
352 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:15:34pm
353 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:15:57pm
354 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:16:18pm
355 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:16:31pm

re: #341 galloping granny

TW - here is John McCain's new ad of the day -

You have to give Mac credit, Obama is just can't keep up. The pace is blistering.

356 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:16:33pm

re: #346 galloping grannyHuh?

357 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:16:56pm

re: #347 eschew_obfuscation

One of the things Obama supposedly did was to lobby to get an unemployment office established in an area of town where people had to travel a long distance to find one.

That sort of thing....

Eh? Where they had to travel a long distance to find an unemployment office? Or where they had to travel a long distance to find an unemployed person?

358 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:17:00pm

re: #352 ploome hineni

cool

How's the puppy?

359 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:17:11pm

re: #320 Halman

Thats the Ticket...Perot all over again..Spoilers..Put the final nail in obama's coffin..


* * *
Spoilers aren't all the same. Perot was a worthy spoiler--enough of a leader to rescue his own EDS employees kept hostage in Iran, when the sitting President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, would not.

Perot was a patriot & a leader, and 20% of those who voted for him agreed.

360 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:18:09pm

re: #176 galloping granny

I become more convinced by the day that Obama is going to lose in a big way.

From your mouth to God's ear!

361 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:18:12pm
362 Dianna  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:18:35pm

re: #353 ploome hineni

Ah, perhaps you can answer: What are McCain's aides doing at the Democrat convention? Why are they following Clinton's lead?

363 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:18:38pm

re: #357 NomadOfNorad

Eh? Where they had to travel a long distance to find an unemployment office? Or where they had to travel a long distance to find an unemployed person?

It was a bad section of south Chicago where there was a lot of unemployment. Apparently not a "Workforce Development" (or whatever it's called in Chicago) office nearby.

364 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:18:46pm

WTF is up with this?


Delegates to the Democratic National Convention are casting ballots for the party's presidential nominee at their hotels this morning.

The vote, negotiated by the campaigns for presumptive nominee Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, is expected to speed proceedings from the floor of the Pepsi Center tonight, when totals will be read from the floor as part of a roll call vote.

Are they hiding something?

365 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:18:46pm

re: #348 harrylook

granny (341), thanks for the link. Is it me or has McCain put together the best collection of attack ads in television history? Can't wait for the next one!

I do not see these as "attack" ads. An attack ad is when you go after some personal flaw or the guy's wife. Virtually all of these ads highlight obama's own words and statements or the words and statements of those associated with him. That is "fair game" - not an "attack." And certainly not a "smear."

366 filetandrelease  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:19:37pm

re: #348 harrylook

granny (341), thanks for the link. Is it me or has McCain put together the best collection of attack ads in television history? Can't wait for the next one!

I don't think it's you, Obama is getting hammered.

367 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:19:49pm

re: #361 ploome hineni

she is great, thanks for asking

lying on her little bed here, under my desk

not eating too much though, and she is my gordita

anyway...to the vet for a check up tomorrow


Cool!

If they gave her something like anti-inflammation meds, they might be suppressing her appetite.

368 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:20:19pm

re: #288 looking closely

If President Obama turned out to be like President Carter, that would virtually assure a Republican landslide in the next election. You need a Carter to ensure a Reagan, so to speak.

Appealing, but:
1. No Reagan in sight;
2. Obama would have to go a long way into the toilet to reach the same level of cowardice and dhimmitude that Carter has attained; and,
3. There may be no need for elections after 4 years of Obama.

BTW, as great as RWR was in getting the Iranian hostages released without even doing anything other than getting elected and defeating the Soviet Union without firing a shot, he didn't exactly have much staying power after the terror attack on the barracks in Lebanon, IIRC. On that weak and cowardly occasion at least, he and Obama might have something in common.

369 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:20:21pm

re: #346 galloping granny

granny, do you have a link?

Man, if there is any truth to this, old Bill is running huge interference.

370 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:20:43pm

The Greek Temple misses mark, a more appropriate model for Obama's stage.

371 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:20:52pm

re: #356 lifeofthemind

Huh?

Sorry - it was on Fox so no linkie yet. McCain has a pretty big contingent in Denver running the recruitment efforts for disaffected Hillary fans. One of them is Mitt Romney.

Bill Clinton is not staying for the final day of the convention. He will be leaving Denver immediately after his speech. McCain's campaign has announced that they will follow his lead and all McCain aides will leave Denver at the same time.

372 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:21:08pm
373 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:21:15pm

re: #359 alegrias

* * *
Spoilers aren't all the same. Perot was a worthy spoiler--enough of a leader to rescue his own EDS employees kept hostage in Iran, when the sitting President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, would not.

Perot was a patriot & a leader, and 20% of those who voted for him agreed.

He was (is) also an egomaniac, and if he were really such a patriot, he would have set aside his own vanity campaign to let the incumbent Republican (with whom he probably shared about 80%+ greater ideology) stay in office for the good of the country.

374 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:22:26pm
375 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:22:32pm

re: #369 formercorpsman

granny, do you have a link?

Man, if there is any truth to this, old Bill is running huge interference.

Nope, sorry. It was announced on Fox just before I posted it. Normally I transcribe things like that as I am listening to them.

376 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:12pm
377 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:14pm

re: #363 eschew_obfuscation

It was a bad section of south Chicago where there was a lot of unemployment. Apparently not a "Workforce Development" (or whatever it's called in Chicago) office nearby.

Oh. Thought maybe you were trying to say that Obama had created a manufactured job for a person in an area where that position wasn't needed. Ergo, create an office of unemployment in a place where there weren't many people around, unemployed or otherwise

So, what was the point you were trying to make? You've lost me on this... :-|

378 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:22pm

re: #319 ploome hineni

or what's left of the goodies

/check pants and socks

LOL! Sandy Burglar, is that you?

379 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:22pm

re: #370 jcm

The Greek Temple misses mark, a more appropriate model for Obama's stage.


On a hot day you can stop by to look at the cold cuts.

380 wright1  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:37pm

re: #348 harrylook

granny (341), thanks for the link. Is it me or has McCain put together the best collection of attack ads in television history? Can't wait for the next one!

I have to tell you though that the Ayers ad is the topper - just devastating... and that is why Obama is doing EVERYTHING to suppress it.

381 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:58pm

re: #310 galloping granny

Twenty+ years as a high ranking officer in the United States Navy hardly qualifies as "a little bit" of executive experience.

* * *
And McCain's married to a beer Executive since 1980.

382 harrylook  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:24:04pm

re: #365 galloping granny

I call them attack ads because they go after the opponent, as opposed to the other type of ad where the candidate tries to make you feel good about him/her (like Bubba's "Hope" ad in 1992, eg). I see nothing wrong with attack ads. Love 'em, in fact....

383 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:24:32pm

re: #380 wright1

I have to tell you though that the Ayers ad is the topper - just devastating... and that is why Obama is doing EVERYTHING to suppress it.

McCain did not do that one. A pac out of Texas did. Obama is having full blown hissy fits and birthing kittens over it.

384 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:24:36pm

re: #371 galloping granny

Thank you

385 maddogg  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:25:23pm

re: #364 Who Watches the Watchmen?

WTF is up with this?

Are they hiding something?

They are left wing Democrats. Hiding things is central to political survival.

386 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:25:41pm
387 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:25:49pm

re: #379 lifeofthemind

On a hot day you can stop by to look at the cold cuts.

Damnit, you just made me blow root beer out my nose!

388 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:26:05pm

re: #202 alegrias

We have discussed on LGF that the AARP is a liberal organization, not your parents' "Association for the Advancement of Retired People".

AARP has ALWAYS been a liberal lobbying organization.

389 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:26:06pm

re: #371 galloping granny

Sorry - it was on Fox so no linkie yet. McCain has a pretty big contingent in Denver running the recruitment efforts for disaffected Hillary fans. One of them is Mitt Romney.

Bill Clinton is not staying for the final day of the convention. He will be leaving Denver immediately after his speech. McCain's campaign has announced that they will follow his lead and all McCain aides will leave Denver at the same time.

OooOOOOooooh.... we were talking about something McCain had done! For some reason, I read it as something that Obama had done!

/me takes off his glasses and cleans them.

390 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:26:14pm

re: #337 Racer X

Not sure if I'd blame alGore for the breakdown. What America desperately needs is a strong leader who can clearly define what they want to accomplish and how to do it.

Weak politicians cause confusion.

Agreed. But the point is, it was a close election, but Bush did win. And Al Gore should not have dragged us through the spectacle that we went through. He should have bowed out for the sake of preserving the image of a reliable electoral process. It's just another sign that liberals are willing to trash the country and try to tear it apart at the seams to get their folks in.

391 Halman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:26:47pm

Like to see McCain go in for the kill on the Aires-Obama connection..Maybe the National Inquirer can take up the task..Like the Edwards thing, when all MSM had blocks on that story...Drive by Media is turning a blind eye on the Bill Aires issue...

392 wright1  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:26:48pm

re: #383 galloping granny

That is right - which is why everyone is more concerned with the audacity of the promulgation of the ad rather than the content.

If they are able to suppress the ad we are in bad shape as a nation.

393 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:26:56pm

re: #318 Semper Gumbi

And Chappaquidick(sp) is most likely the reason that Kennedy didn't succeed in unseating Carter.

* * *
So PBS funded movie maker goes & reminds us of Chappaquidick in Teddy's "appreciation" movie the other night.

Liberal blind spot for manslaughterer of pregnant Mary Joe Kopechne.

394 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:27:20pm

Is anyone else concerned that the big hurricane heading into the Gulf will draw all media attention from the Convention and McCains message. (Apologies if this has already discussed) Watching the Weather Channel now for an update but they aren't in a hurry to do a forecast!

395 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:27:59pm

re: #389 NomadOfNorad

Oh, wait. Crossed topics here. Hehe. Thought you were talking about the Obama and unemployment-office thing. Nevermind.

396 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:03pm

re: #390 cliffster

In the end, it all comes down to the perception of a reliable electoral process. Just like money - it works because people believe it works. We've had shenanigans going on since the birth of the nation. Democrats have had dead people voting since 1840. But we don't make an issue of it, because we have to maintain the perception. Because perception is all we have.

397 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:14pm

re: #368 sparrowlake

Appealing, but:
1. No Reagan in sight;
2. Obama would have to go a long way into the toilet to reach the same level of cowardice and dhimmitude that Carter has attained; and,
3. There may be no need for elections after 4 years of Obama.

BTW, as great as RWR was in getting the Iranian hostages released without even doing anything other than getting elected and defeating the Soviet Union without firing a shot, he didn't exactly have much staying power after the terror attack on the barracks in Lebanon, IIRC. On that weak and cowardly occasion at least, he and Obama might have something in common.

1. Obviously, you only get one Reagan per generation, but there are some pretty conservative senior Republicans out there who might rise to the occasion (eg Duncan Hunter).

2. No argument there, though Carter has had 30 post-presidency years to further tarnish his own reputation that way. But if its any cause for "hope" Obama's pronouncements on nuclear disarmament and unconditioned meetings with the world's worst tyrants have him on a pretty good start.

3. I'm not sure what you mean by this remark. If the Union survived Carter, it can survive Obama. The only question is how much would things to go s#$t in the four years that Obama has to mismanage the economy and encourage aggressive territorialism by Iran, Russia, China, etc with his weak foreign policy stance.

I hate to say this, but perhaps there will be no more Israeli elections after an Obama presidency. Israel is going to find a pre-emptive attack on Iran's nuclear sites exceptionally difficult without US acquiescence (if not support), and Obama probably won't give it. He certainly won't take American pre-emptive action to prevent an Iranian bomb, meaning that the Iranians well might get one during an Obama administration, at least permitting some possibility that they would actually use it.

398 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:17pm

re: #351 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, I note that "ayer" in Spanish means "yesterday."

And though Bill Ayers is all too much with us today, his political views really are the views of yesterday.

The surname Ayers, however, is English in origin, typically.

399 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:30pm

re: #386 ploome hineni

is it on you tube?

Here ploome. Scroll down to the bottom of the page. Send it around to everyone you know -
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

400 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:36pm

re: #394 snowcrash

Is anyone else concerned that the big hurricane heading into the
Gulf will draw all media attention from the Convention and McCains
message. (Apologies if this has already discussed) Watching the Weather
Channel now for an update but they aren't in a hurry to do a forecast!

I heard somewhere that Bobby Jindal will not be going to the convention & is staying behind in Louisiana in case a hurricane strikes.

401 harrylook  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:50pm

re: #386 ploome hineni

Yeah - go to youtube and type in "Obama Ayers ad".

402 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:29:17pm

re: #364 Who Watches the Watchmen?

WTF is up with this?

Are they hiding something?

Does a bear $hit in the woods?

403 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:29:44pm

re: #394 snowcrash

Is anyone else concerned that the big hurricane heading into the Gulf will draw all media attention from the Convention and McCains message. (Apologies if this has already discussed) Watching the Weather Channel now for an update but they aren't in a hurry to do a forecast!

Wouldn't put it past them... :D

404 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:30:27pm

re: #386 ploome hineni

is it on you tube?

Here is the (non-McCain) Obama-Ayers attack ad in question:

Know Enough

405 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:30:33pm

re: #376 ploome hineni

367 eschew_obfuscation

are you a vet or is it Abu boo hoo?

/I think someone here is

I'm not, but my bully just went through a similar surgery.....He's on Duramax (sp?) and Adequin (once/month shot). His appetite has been down since the surgery.

406 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:30:46pm

re: #375 galloping granny

Interesting nonetheless.

Choreography.

Gotta love it.

Dirty, dirty, dirty.

407 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:31:24pm

re: #394 snowcrash

Is anyone else concerned that the big hurricane heading into the Gulf will draw all media attention from the Convention and McCains message. (Apologies if this has already discussed) Watching the Weather Channel now for an update but they aren't in a hurry to do a forecast!

Surely most media will redirect as much attention as possible. On the other hand, the Pope could get shot while being caught in bed with the prime minister of England, and Chris Matthews would not interrupt his interview with that democratic state senator from Maine..

408 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:32:02pm

re: #391 Halman

Like to see McCain go in for the kill on the Aires-Obama connection..Maybe the National Inquirer can take up the task..Like the Edwards thing, when all MSM had blocks on that story...Drive by Media is turning a blind eye on the Bill Aires issue...

Better he should leave this to the rest of us to carry the water for.

re: #392 wright1

That is right - which is why everyone is more concerned with the audacity of the promulgation of the ad rather than the content.

If they are able to suppress the ad we are in bad shape as a nation.

Not going to happen. Fox is not playing the ad, but they are talking about it. And the Justice Department is not going to do anything.

BTW, you can download the ad here. Michelle is suggesting that everyone send the ad to everyone they know.
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

409 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:32:35pm

Any sign of the Goreacle in Denver?
Like maybe some large carbon footprints?

410 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:33:12pm

re: #394 snowcrash

Is anyone else concerned that the big hurricane heading into the Gulf will draw all media attention from the Convention and McCains message. (Apologies if this has already discussed) Watching the Weather Channel now for an update but they aren't in a hurry to do a forecast!

Rush was suggesting that that could easily happen and that the press would leave St. Paul and go to New Orleans to report on Bush and McCain's Katrina II during the convention.

411 Halman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:34:36pm

re: #408 galloping granny

Not going to happen. Fox is not playing the ad, but they are talking about it. And the Justice Department is not going to do anything.

BTW, you can download the ad here. Michelle is suggesting that everyone send the ad to everyone they know.
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Sounds good..Thank you......

412 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:36:43pm

re: #368 sparrowlake

Appealing, but:
1. No Reagan in sight;
2. Obama would have to go a long way into the toilet to reach the same level of cowardice and dhimmitude that Carter has attained; and,
3. There may be no need for elections after 4 years of Obama.

BTW, as great as RWR was in getting the Iranian hostages released without even doing anything other than getting elected and defeating the Soviet Union without firing a shot, he didn't exactly have much staying power after the terror attack on the barracks in Lebanon, IIRC. On that weak and cowardly occasion at least, he and Obama might have something in common.

* * *
Are you kidding--the Russians invaded BEFORE the election this year, after watching the lame Berlin World Tour. In Carter's administration, the Russians waited to invade until Carter was President & proven lame.

413 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:36:52pm

re: #397 looking closely

1. Obviously, you only get one Reagan per generation, but there are some pretty conservative senior Republicans out there who might rise to the occasion (eg Duncan Hunter).

2. No argument there, though Carter has had 30 post-presidency years to further tarnish his own reputation that way. But if its any cause for "hope" Obama's pronouncements on nuclear disarmament and unconditioned meetings with the world's worst tyrants have him on a pretty good start.

3. I'm not sure what you mean by this remark. If the Union survived Carter, it can survive Obama. The only question is how much would things to go s#$t in the four years that Obama has to mismanage the economy and encourage aggressive territorialism by Iran, Russia, China, etc with his weak foreign policy stance.

I hate to say this, but perhaps there will be no more Israeli elections after an Obama presidency. Israel is going to find a pre-emptive attack on Iran's nuclear sites exceptionally difficult without US acquiescence (if not support), and Obama probably won't give it. He certainly won't take American pre-emptive action to prevent an Iranian bomb, meaning that the Iranians well might get one during an Obama administration, at least permitting some possibility that they would actually use it.

I have high hopes for Dino Rossi out here in WA. He last in '04 in a very questionable election. He's got a real shot in WA this year, lot of people are still pissed about '04, the incumbent is incompetent. If Rossi can win, and get reelected in WA, and turn things around in blue WA. He's going to be in the first tier in '16.

414 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:38:29pm

Weather Channel predicting a possible Category 3 making landfall sometime on Monday between Ala and La. Hope people follow evacuation plans early if necessary.

415 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:38:55pm
416 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:40:20pm

re: #373 looking closely

He was (is) also an egomaniac, and if he were really such a patriot, he would have set aside his own vanity campaign to let the incumbent Republican (with whom he probably shared about 80%+ greater ideology) stay in office for the good of the country.

* * *
You have a point. However, George Bush the elder lost my vote too, after letting Saddam Hussein stand and wasting our troops' time in Iraq the first time. We should have finished the job in the interests of OUR country, not the UN's lame coalition objectives.

Bush senior did not appear interested enough nor energetic enough to win my vote.

417 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:41:51pm
418 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:43:16pm

Eighteen Million Cracks in Presidential Ceiling

Eighteen million cracks (in the ceiling) marching as one.

/the mind boggles

419 CodePirate  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:47:32pm

I guess it's all a matter of who you take pictures of...

Reporter Arrested Taking Pictures in Denver
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Now why would the Democratic Senators and VIP donors have a problem having pictures taken?

420 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:48:22pm

re: #397 looking closely

1. Obviously, you only get one Reagan per generation, but there are some pretty conservative senior Republicans out there who might rise to the occasion (eg Duncan Hunter).

2. No argument there, though Carter has had 30 post-presidency years to further tarnish his own reputation that way. But if its any cause for "hope" Obama's pronouncements on nuclear disarmament and unconditioned meetings with the world's worst tyrants have him on a pretty good start.

3. I'm not sure what you mean by this remark. If the Union survived Carter, it can survive Obama. The only question is how much would things to go s#$t in the four years that Obama has to mismanage the economy and encourage aggressive territorialism by Iran, Russia, China, etc with his weak foreign policy stance.

I hate to say this, but perhaps there will be no more Israeli elections after an Obama presidency. Israel is going to find a pre-emptive attack on Iran's nuclear sites exceptionally difficult without US acquiescence (if not support), and Obama probably won't give it. He certainly won't take American pre-emptive action to prevent an Iranian bomb, meaning that the Iranians well might get one during an Obama administration, at least permitting some possibility that they would actually use it.