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New McCain Ad: 'Tiny'

Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:17:35 pm PDT

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1 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:18:39pm

That one's going to leave a mark.

2 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:19:18pm

Tiny. Heh.

3 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:19:25pm

Yes gets the Jewish vote and makes clear Obama wants to keep people ignorant and focused on trivialities.

4 harrylook  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:19:32pm

I just asked on the previous thread, is it me or has McCain put together the best collection of attack ads in televsion history? Granted, Barry had to do his part by giving him so much ammunition....

Can't wait for the next McCain ad. Should be out, like, what - immediately after Barry's speech?

5 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:19:47pm

Ouch! Leave Barack Obama alone!

6 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:20:05pm

How tall is Ahmanutjob anyway?

7 Dianna  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:20:38pm

Oh, very good!

8 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:21:11pm

re: #6 Cap'n DOC

How tall is Ahmanutjob anyway?

I think he makes Kucinich look big.

9 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:21:23pm

This is the stuff nobody thought McCain would do. And he's doing it even before the official nomination. Putting Obama's face up there with the word "Tiny" isn't exactly a stroke of genius, it's an obvious choice, but nobody thought McCain would do it.

10 Dianna  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:21:28pm

re: #4 harrylook

A few hours, anyway. There's likely to be so much ammunition, one has to pick and choose.

11 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:21:49pm

Wonder what voter he's going after on that one? Very effective.

12 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:22:17pm

They left out the embassy crisis, but perhaps it's for the better- the obama camp can't complain they're using the former hostages that way.

13 rightwinger3  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:22:52pm

I'm rightwinger3 and I approve of this message!

14 Peacekeeper  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:11pm

Aren't they still complaining about the last one?

15 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:19pm

"Tiny."

Everybody knows that this is a thinly veiled attack on Obama's manhood. Just another disgusting attack by the racists conservatives. /

16 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:20pm

re: #6 Cap'n DOC

How tall is Ahmanutjob anyway?

He was running around with Smeagol the last time I saw him.

17 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:38pm

Dangerously unprepared to be President.
ouch

18 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:48pm

How is Barry going to accuse McCain of "playing the race card" on that one?

19 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:23:59pm

Dang. I'll have to watch it later.

Does 'tiny' refer to Obama's preparedness for office or to his notion of Iran being a 'tiny' threat?

20 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:24:07pm
21 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:24:11pm

re: #11 Creeping Eruption

Wonder what voter he's going after on that one? Very effective.


I dont think it is the MI muslims.
could be the Menonites.

22 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:24:19pm

re: #16 Eowyn2

I'm getting a very clear visual here - I mean ear...

23 concernedUCIstudent  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:24:23pm

From an email just sent to me:

Suddenly a keen sense of morality ...

John Edwards has been banned from making a speech at the democratic convention for having an affair and lying about it.

Instead Bill Clinton will be speaking in his place.

24 pablito  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:24:45pm

The McCain folks are hitting them out of the park with these commercials.

25 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:25:08pm

re: #18 sngnsgt

How is Barry going to accuse McCain of "playing the race card" on that one?

See #15.

26 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:25:22pm

re: #19 NoSubmission

Dang. I'll have to watch it later.

Does 'tiny' refer to Obama's preparedness for office or to his notion of Iran being a 'tiny' threat?

Both.

I'm so glad the McCain campaign has stepped up to the plate. We are all doubting whether he would do so not too many weeks back.

27 FreakyBoy  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:25:52pm

re: #18 sngnsgt

How is Barry going to accuse McCain of "playing the race card" on that one?

"Tiny" mocks his white half?

28 cblesz  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:25:59pm

Oh, the response ad will complain that McCain is going negative, attacking Obamassiah. They have such thin freaking skin. Since the media won't investigate him or tell people he has ZERO experience, McCain has to...

29 pegcity  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:26:12pm

re: #2 Cap'n DOC

Tiny. Heh.

yeah its only what 3 times the size of Iraq?

30 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:26:18pm

I don't know who started doing McCain's ads after the shakeup a while back, but he/she is doing one heck of a job. And has Obama spitting mad. Keep it up folks.

31 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:26:22pm

re: #16 Eowyn2

And both are seeking out Precious.

32 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:27:23pm

Smack!

(And the word "Tiny" gets applied to the Obamamessiah too -- that's a neat bit of subliminal advertising.)

33 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:27:27pm

Iran is the 18th largest nation in landmass, and has 70,000,000. How is that tiny?

34 cblesz  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:27:42pm

Apparently, the Chosen One will be talking about his "tax-cuts for the middle class" in his speech. Dear God, I hope McCain's camo has a nice informative commercial and response that flat out says he is lying...

35 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:27:43pm

I'm loving these 30 second zingers. Hit 'em hard, hit 'em fast. People won't wait for a 5 minute video to load, so these are escellent to share with your friends.

36 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:27:43pm

re: #25 HelloDare

See #15.

You knew that was coming...

37 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:27:49pm

Did he mention Iran-sponsored Hezbollah murdering our Marines in Beirut?

38 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:27:54pm

re: #24 pablito

The McCain folks are hitting them out of the park with these commercials.

And its working.

Gallup: McCain 44% / Obama 45%
You would think Obama would already be receiving the "big bump" from the convention.

39 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:18pm
40 tastes like chicken  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:34pm

ZOMBIE ALERT!

Zombie, look to the skies and please get some shots of the plane towing the Osama bin Laden banner...from what I could see, there is a picture of bin Laden with the top line of text reading "Osama says" but I can't make out the bottom line since it's backward from my vantage point, and it's flapping too much for me to make out. I assume it says something about voting for Barry Zero, but I'm not sure...

41 Dream  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:37pm

Maybe this is a new McCain strategy...keep Obama so busy refuting these attack ads that he doesn't have time to make any attack ads of his own against McCain. Either way glad to see the gloves are really off now.

42 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:40pm

re: #33 MandyManners

I thought that was the point.

43 pestolover  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:51pm

Iran is the eighteenth largest country in the world both in population and area. Considering that there are 195 countries in the world, that puts Iran in the top 10% in both categories. Not among the very largest, but hardly tiny.

44 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:28:58pm

re: #6 Cap'n DOC

How tall is Ahmanutjob anyway?


Never ever work for a man that is under 5' 4". Trust me on this.

45 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:29:09pm

re: #38 Racer X

And its working.

Gallup: McCain 44% / Obama 45%
You would think Obama would already be receiving the "big bump" from the convention.

Maybe that's just it, people ARE thinking...

46 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:29:11pm

re: #35 doppelganglander

PIMF: "excellent"

47 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:29:11pm

re: #33 MandyManners

Its all a matter of perception. I mean. Doesnt the US have lots more people?

48 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:29:11pm

re: #40 tastes like chicken

ZOMBIE ALERT!

Zombie, look to the skies and please get some shots of the plane towing the Osama bin Laden banner...from what I could see, there is a picture of bin Laden with the top line of text reading "Osama says" but I can't make out the bottom line since it's backward from my vantage point, and it's flapping too much for me to make out. I assume it says something about voting for Barry Zero, but I'm not sure...

osama? a plane? wtf?

49 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:29:19pm

How many of these ads will get placement in general rotation before the election. Sending them to the Net is one thing, preaching to the converted is one thing - pushing this into mass markets is another.

It does, however, provide McCain's people with an opportunity to gauge reaction and see which ones do best - and use those in wide mass market tv buys.

50 cblesz  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:29:42pm

re: #41 Dream

Maybe this is a new McCain strategy...keep Obama so busy refuting these attack ads that he doesn't have time to make any attack ads of his own against McCain. Either way glad to see the gloves are really off now.


They ARE NOT attack ads. They are informative.

51 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:29:58pm

I figured out why Obama is going to speak in front of that faux temple.
He's going to mimic Samson and symbolically pull down the pillars of the Bush/McCain Temple of Doom.

52 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:30:02pm

Folks, it nothing to worry about. Obama will speak, Achmenijad will listen and comply just like Putin did when Obama spoke to him.

Relax our security couldn't be in better hands.

Obama speaks,
so it will be done!

No more nasty military to get into ugly wars, no more trade disputes, it's all peace and justice every where on Obama's Word!


/// just to make sure.

53 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:30:06pm

While I totally agree with the danger Iran poses, I think this is counter productive.A lot of fence sitters fear that McCain is going to do a premptive attack on Iran and this will only serve to convince them.If it's aimed at the Jewish vote, a waste.

54 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:30:36pm

I think this ad is worth about 50 electoral votes all by itself.

55 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:30:36pm

Anyone know if the MSM outlets are not letting McCain run his ads?

56 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:30:48pm

re: #37 NoSubmission

Not to mention Iranian Special Group commandos in Iraq supplying advanced IEDs to al Qaeda.

57 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:30:50pm

Obama's lawyers will be trying to prevent this one too from being broadcast.

/they won't, but we can always have the audacity to hope they will

58 jester6  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:30:55pm

I like the ad and am more comfortable with McCain then I was a few months ago. But he is still a pretty weak candidate. The entire Republican field was weak. This should be a cake walk for the Dems.

If the Democrats cannot nominate someone who can be elected president in this environment - low Bush poll numbers, war weariness, the MSM in the tank for the Dem, the economy - the Democratic party as we know it is finished.

Clinton was the only two term elected Democrat since FDR.
Clinton had Perot's help when he sucked up 18 million (1992) and 8 million (1996) votes.

This is and was the Democrat's election to loose. Obama just might be the man to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

59 Peacekeeper  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:31:01pm

BIG TINY IS RIPPING US OFF!

60 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:31:03pm

re: #41 Dream

Attack "ads or facts"?

61 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:31:03pm

re: #50 cblesz

In this day and age, informative ads are attack ads. And vice versa.

Anything that casts the other guy in a bad light, no matter how accurate, truthful, verifiable, and libel/slander proof, is going to assumed an attack ad because of tone.

62 guy_philly  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:31:27pm

Awesome ad ... it works for me ... should be effective!

63 RoyalCanadian  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:31:32pm

All of the groups that hate America love Obama and want him to be the next POTUS. What does that say?

From "up here" I would much prefer Mr. McCain sitting across the table from Putin. Obama is manifestly not in the same league as Putin and McCain. With Russia feeling safe enough to raise its very ugly head, please sit McCain at the table.

I hope the Republicans keep these hard hitting informative ads coming.

64 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:32:00pm

Are there really people out there waiting for ads to make up their minds for them?

65 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:32:22pm

re: #55 NoSubmission

Anyone know if the MSM outlets are not letting McCain run his ads?

The MSM have already assured everyone that Obama is hip and knows about texting while McCain uses a quill pen and wears a powdered wig.

66 cblesz  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:32:34pm

re: #61 lawhawk

In this day and age, informative ads are attack ads. And vice versa.

Anything that casts the other guy in a bad light, no matter how accurate, truthful, verifiable, and libel/slander proof, is going to assumed an attack ad because of tone.

Is this Katie Couric? Brian Williams? Or are you keith Olberman? Give me a break. it is not an attack ad. The MSM and Obama camps may say so, but it certainly is not. it is informative AND factual.

67 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:32:42pm

re: #64 NoSubmission

Who can say, but if they drive the Obama batty, it's all good.

68 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:32:44pm

re: #55 NoSubmission

Anyone know if the MSM outlets are not letting McCain run his ads?

The Ayers ad ran here in Texas

69 JustMyView  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:32:59pm

FYI, here's the quote the words in the ad were taken from.

Obama explained, “Strong countries and strong Presidents talk to their adversaries. That’s what Kennedy did with Khrushchev. That’s what Reagan did with Gorbachev. That’s what Nixon did with Mao. I mean, think about it: Iran, Cuba, Venezuela — these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying, ‘We’re going to wipe you off the planet.’ And ultimately, that direct engagement led to a series of measures that helped prevent nuclear war and over time allowed the kind of opening that brought down the Berlin Wall.”

70 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:33:08pm

re: #18 sngnsgt

How is Barry going to accuse McCain of "playing the race card" on that one?

Unfortunately, that's an easy one.

"McCain is playing on America's fears of brown people."

71 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:33:16pm

re: #64 NoSubmission

Are there really people out there waiting for ads to make up their minds for them?

This is the USA. Unfortunately, the answer to your question is, yes.

72 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:33:26pm

re: #64 NoSubmission

Are there really people out there waiting for ads to make up their minds for them?

Yes. Two of my close friends are undecided and leaning toward McCain.

73 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:33:48pm

re: #68 kawfytawk

I heard that Fox has rejected the Ayers ad.

74 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:33:56pm

re: #40 tastes like chicken

ZOMBIE ALERT!

Zombie, look to the skies and please get some shots of the plane towing the Osama bin Laden banner...from what I could see, there is a picture of bin Laden with the top line of text reading "Osama says" but I can't make out the bottom line since it's backward from my vantage point, and it's flapping too much for me to make out. I assume it says something about voting for Barry Zero, but I'm not sure...

WHAT?

75 harrylook  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:34:05pm

Al Qaeda was just a "tiny" group of smelly cavedwellers of 9/11. And they only sent a "tiny" group here to murder us. Someone should tell Barry size doesn't matter anymore....

76 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:34:11pm

re: #65 lifeofthemind

The MSM have already assured everyone that Obama is hip and knows about texting while McCain uses a quill pen and wears a powdered wig.


I'd upding you if i had my updinger turned on.

LOLLLL

77 tastes like chicken  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:34:24pm

re: #48 NoSubmission

I'm serious...there's a plane flying around Denver towing a banner with a photo of OBL. The plane has made a couple of passes over the city, but he's usually heading north when I need him to head south so I can read the text. I was able to read the top line, but not the rest of it...

78 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:34:47pm

re: #55 NoSubmission

Anyone know if the MSM outlets are not letting McCain run his ads?

Fox won't run the Ayers ad.

79 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:34:48pm

re: #57 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Obama's lawyers will be trying to prevent this one too from being broadcast.

/they won't, but we can always have the audacity to hope they will

Let them try. What do you suppose attorneys bill for that sort of work?

80 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:34:51pm

re: #73 vagabond trader

I heard that Fox has rejected the Ayers ad.

Not sure if I saw it on fox or on NBC during olympics...but was surprised to see it none the less

81 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:34:55pm

re: #37 NoSubmission

Did he mention Iran-sponsored Hezbollah murdering our Marines in Beirut?

Nope. And that is just fine. The kiddies who support Obama probably don't remember it in the first place and consider it ancient history if they do.

82 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:35:18pm

Someone needs to tell Senator Obama that Iran is not only not tiny, its actually quote a large country with over 65 million people.

That makes Iran bigger population-wise than France, Italy, or England (each of which have about 60 million), or South Korea (about 50 million).

83 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:35:19pm

obama came out the other day with an Iran policy:

Obama would step up pressure on Iran over nukes

"My job as president would be to try to make sure we are tightening the screws diplomatically on Iran, that we mobilize the world community to go after Iran's nuclear program in a serious way. ... We have to do it before Israel feels its back is against the wall."

Because no one's ever thought of doing that before!

84 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:35:23pm

By putting out these ads, day after day, on different topics, the McCain campaign has gotten well inside Obama's OODA Loop. It takes one to two days for Obama's campaign to respond, by which time the next ad is out, coming at him from yet another angle. This is how McCain has taken the initiative away from Obama even during the Democratic coronation convention.

The fighter pilot is beating the community organizer.

85 TIM C  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:35:28pm

The McCain campaign has been tremendous about hitting on Obama this week, I certainly hope that they are not distracted by the GOP convention and respond as effectively next week and are able to continue to do that until November.

86 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:35:56pm
87 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:36:01pm

re: #77 tastes like chicken

I'm serious...there's a plane flying around Denver towing a banner with a photo of OBL. The plane has made a couple of passes over the city, but he's usually heading north when I need him to head south so I can read the text. I was able to read the top line, but not the rest of it...

Denver lizards to the rooftops!

88 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:36:01pm

re: #45 sngnsgt

Rasmussan has it McCain 45%, Obama %44...

89 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:36:09pm

re: #73 vagabond trader

I heard that Fox has rejected the Ayers ad.

Yes, they did do that, though they said that it had nothing to do with Obama's demands. It really doesn't matter I think, since they spend quite some bit of time talking about the Ayers issue and not in a good way.

90 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:36:23pm

re: #78 MandyManners

Fox won't run the Ayers ad.

Because the Obamahdi Army threatened to pull their press credentials. The Sopranos would be proud.

91 maddogg  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:36:59pm

I'm maddogg, and I approve that message too:)

92 silversmith  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:37:01pm

Dangerously unprepared!

If four years of McCain will be the same as four years of Bush,, then

four years of Obama will be like.... (insert a punchline) !

some of my best
1. 4 years of Hell
2. 4 years of Howdy Doody except Howdy Doody was just a puppet and had Buffalo Bob.
3.4 years of Jimmy Carter.

Make up your own slogan, it is fun.

93 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:37:10pm

re: #76 NoSubmission

I'd upding you if i had my updinger turned on.

LOLLLL

That sounds inviting.

94 offendi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:37:16pm

re: #23 concernedUCIstudent

From an email just sent to me:

Obviously you don't understand democratic sophistication. You simply cannot have extra-marital sex if your wife has cancer and if you (allegedly) make the willing woman pregnant.

Otherwise, what's the problem? Having the right politics trumps having illicit sex. Only untight republicans worry about "morality".

95 jester6  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:37:19pm

re: #38 Racer X

And its working.

Gallup: McCain 44% / Obama 45%
You would think Obama would already be receiving the "big bump" from the convention.

Are you sure those polls were taken after the convention started? Even if they were, Monday was a poor performance by the Dems.

Before we measure the bounce - or lack thereof - we need to take a poll 24 or 48 hours after BO's speech. You need at least 24 hours to let the MSM polish it up and repackage it. Then 24 hours to collect the data.

I don't think we will have a good read on the bounce until the Sunday morning shows.

96 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:37:24pm

Nightmare alert! the 3 am phone call to potus obama.."mr president, Tel Aviv has just been hit by a nuclear weapon sent by iran at 9am local Tel Aviv time...what do we do Sir?"
obama: errr,uhhh,errr...hmmm I will call the UN after I pee, and err, ummmm, yea...george clooney made syrianna, better call him. errr, uhhhh, errr..is oprah up by chance? hmm better not bother her...err uhhhh, let me see if scarlett johannson is on yahoo chat...I'll get right back to you..."

/this Nightmare is brought to you by the people voting for obama...

97 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:37:25pm

re: #83 Sharmuta

obama came out the other day with an Iran policy:

Obama would step up pressure on Iran over nukes

Because no one's ever thought of doing that before!

What the F(** does the nincompoop think the Bush administration has been doing about Iran for the last eight years? Or has he not paid attention to the number of times this has been to the Security Council, etc. and so on?

98 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:37:26pm

re: #90 doppelganglander

Because the Obamahdi Army threatened to pull their press credentials. The Sopranos would be proud.

Was that the reason?! Fox hasn't been shy talking about the ad nor interviewing Stanley Kurtz.

99 Kawabunga  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:37:31pm

I think that the Obama camp is going to think that the McCain campaign is impugning Barack's manhood by putting the word "tiny" next to a photo of him. I can just see Bob Herbert's next column. Not to say that Bob doesn't have his own "shortcomings".

/sarc

100 Dianna  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:37:40pm

re: #14 Peacekeeper

Yes, that's right.

It doesn't make them look nimble and competent, does it?

101 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:37:44pm

re: #88 Kenneth

Racists! /do I?

102 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:38:02pm

re: #78 MandyManners

Fox won't run the Ayers ad.


The Ayers ad isn't from the McCain campaign.

103 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:38:15pm

re: #94 offendi

Obviously you don't understand democratic sophistication. You simply cannot have extra-marital sex if your wife has cancer and if you (allegedly) make the willing woman pregnant.

Otherwise, what's the problem? Having the right politics trumps having illicit sex. Only untight republicans worry about "morality".

I'd be tempted to respond with a hearty "FUCK YOU" but the moonbat might take that as an invitation.

104 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:38:20pm

re: #92 silversmith

Dangerously unprepared!

If four years of McCain will be the same as four years of Bush,, then

four years of Obama will be like.... (insert a punchline) !

some of my best
1. 4 years of Hell
2. 4 years of Howdy Doody except Howdy Doody was just a puppet and had Buffalo Bob.
3.4 years of Jimmy Carter.

Make up your own slogan, it is fun.

Obama; making 4 years of Carter look good.

105 RoyalCanadian  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:38:39pm

MCain will bury Barry!

106 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:38:40pm

re: #90 doppelganglander

Because the Obamahdi Army threatened to pull their press credentials. The Sopranos would be proud.

Seriously? Where does that info come from?

107 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:38:43pm

re: #86 taxfreekiller

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the Weather Underground types at least had contact with the KGB, bearing in mind that the KGB pretty much supplied and directed groups like the Baader-Meinhoff gang and the Red Brigades. I'm not sure why the FBI would back off of keeping an eye on them, though.

108 maddogg  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:38:43pm

McCain is landing enough jabs to keep the loonys off balance. Now when to land that hard right uppercut that spells lights out?

109 Florida Lady  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:39:17pm

Looks like Crist won't be on the McCain ticket:

[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

110 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:39:20pm

re: #102 lifeofthemind

The Ayers ad isn't from the McCain campaign.

I know it's from the Texas GOP. What's Fox's excuse?

111 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:39:28pm

re: #102 lifeofthemind

The Ayers ad isn't from the McCain campaign.

Correct, but they have and will run plenty of other ads not created by either campaign.

112 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:40:00pm

re: #95 jester6


I don't think we will have a good read on the bounce until the Sunday morning shows.


Honestly, I don't think the "bounce" is all that relevant anyway.

The most important poll is the election itself. The rest are mostly smoke, shifting here and there with varying margins of error.

At this point in the last two cycles, both Kerry and Gore were ahead of Bush.

113 maddogg  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:40:01pm

Looks like Barry's bump was a pothole.

114 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:40:03pm

re: #89 galloping granny

Hmm, Fox isn't nearly as critical as some want to believe. Did you catch the puff piece bio of the Obama? Not a mention of Ayers,among other key details. Murdock is an ardent supporter, btw.

115 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:40:06pm

re: #69 JustMyView

If he thinks an evil but sane country like the Soviet Union is a greater threat than an insane regime unmoved by concepts like Mutally Assured Destruction, then Obama is a bigger idiot with less understanding of the world than I thought.

And what happened in Reykjavik? The short answer is nothing was agreed to. And knowing that is vital to understanding it.

When asked by Russia to "talk about" our SDI, Reagan said, "Nope, not even going to discuss it. Not on the table."

116 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:40:13pm

re: #58 jester6

Perot was 92. There was no serious 3rd party 1996 runner

117 silversmith  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:40:20pm

re: #104 jcm

See, it is easy and fun

118 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:40:28pm

re: #111 cliffster

Correct, but they have and will run plenty of other ads not created by either campaign.

I deeply believe that this one hits very close to the bone. And, it paves the way for an ad featuring Ayers standing on the American flag.

119 MJ  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:40:37pm

It is simply wrong of McCain to refer to Obama's thinking of Iranian nuclear capability as threat to Israel.

Doesn't he know that the Obama people don't look upon this as a threat but as an opportunity to rid the Mid-East of that Western Colonial State?

120 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:40:51pm

re: #95 jester6

There is typically a 8-10% post convention "bounce". The McCain camp is putting it as high as 16%. Be ready for it, and don't panic.

Keep the informative ads coming Johnny!

121 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:41:17pm

re: #83 Sharmuta

We have to do it before Israel feels its back is against the wall

Meaning what exactly? The Israelis get to call for permission when the Iranian missiles are over Jordan?

122 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:41:32pm

Back to drudgery. It's not below my pay-grade.

123 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:41:32pm

re: #118 MandyManners

I deeply believe that this one hits very close to the bone. And, it paves the way for an ad featuring Ayers standing on the American flag.

Maybe they refused, just to build a little hype. And they'll finally agree to run it, oh, one week before the elections

124 Arbalest  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:41:33pm

I’d like to see the following McCain ads:

1. McCain’s condemnation of the Russian invasion of Georgia vs. Obama’s moral equivocation of the Russian tour of Georgia.

We’ve seen what Obama does at 3:00AM, and it isn’t what real leaders do.


2. Obama’s house and gift of land from Rezko, and the many projects, rehabilitation by Rezko / public funding arranged by Ill. State Senator Obama, that are uninhabitable / bankrupt.

Where did the $42million+ go?


3. The list of grantees, successes (if any) and cost (well, it was a $50million fund) of the CAC, as led by Obama .

Fiscal responsibility & mature leadership and decisions, or a puppet “played” by a 70’s radical (Ayres)?


4. More details about the Obama / (Ayres, Wright, Pfleger, ... ) links

Selected commonality: They all hate the American Middle Class.


5. More of Hillary mentioning that “Obama has a speech from 2002”

How about an expose of Michael Moore and Cuban Universal Health Care? Maybe not; this might scare away the PUMAs.

125 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:41:33pm

re: #114 vagabond trader

Hmm, Fox isn't nearly as critical as some want to believe. Did you catch the puff piece bio of the Obama? Not a mention of Ayers,among other key details. Murdock is an ardent supporter, btw.

Of Obama? No he isn't.

126 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:41:54pm
127 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:41:59pm

re: #97 galloping granny

I don't think pledging to meet with them without precondition is how I define "stepping up pressure". And Joe "let's give Iran $200 million" Biden will be any help in this either.

128 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:42:02pm

re: #107 joncelli

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the Weather Underground types at least had contact with the KGB, bearing in mind that the KGB pretty much supplied and directed groups like the Baader-Meinhoff gang and the Red Brigades. I'm not sure why the FBI would back off of keeping an eye on them, though.

Weather Underground, Students for a Democratic Society and the International Solidarity Movement were all well known communist front groups during the 60s. SDS and ISM are back on most college campuses today.

129 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:42:09pm

re: #108 maddogg

McCain is landing enough jabs to keep the loonys off balance. Now when to land that hard right uppercut that spells lights out?


This fight, necessarily, is going to go to round ten, then go to the scorecards. So its too early for that uppercut (assuming it exists).

Until then, McCain is doing well scoring points with jabs.

130 offendi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:42:15pm

The key to winning a boxing match is body shots. Making the opponent too tired from repeated pummeling of the midsection to allow them to keep their hands up, so that the KO comes.

While "Zeus" Obama is going to be in his leftist temple, McCain is obviously doing the right thing.

BTW on #94 I meant " uptight" republicans.

131 silversmith  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:42:18pm

That is the bad thing about campaign slogans...they can get turned around. The old two edged sword thang.

132 Wendya  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:42:30pm

How long before Pat Buchanan comes out and denounces this ad?

133 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:42:39pm

re: #84 Kenneth

Kenneth, a most excellent observation.

134 Outrider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:42:45pm

re: #34 cblesz

Apparently, the Chosen One will be talking about his "tax-cuts for the middle class" in his speech. Dear God, I hope McCain's camo has a nice informative commercial and response that flat out says he is lying...

Based on his "Blueprint for Change" and the policies Sen Obama wants instituted, how is this to be accomplished? The upper tiers can only absorb so large a tax increase, before they are tapped out. The lower income and retirees making under 50k won't have to pay taxes (according to his Blueprint for change). Middle class tax cuts are addressed twice, but he doesn't define middle class. But, we proposes massive increased spending. This guy is going to have to make Mandrake the Magician look like a rookie.

135 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:43:01pm

re: #98 MandyManners

Was that the reason?! Fox hasn't been shy talking about the ad nor interviewing Stanley Kurtz.

I wish I could offer you a source for that but I'm blanking. I know I read it at one of the reputable blogs -- it had to be Michelle Malkin, Hot Air or NRO because those are the ones I read most. As for Fox's coverage, I guess they think it's easier and less heavy-handed to intimidate Fox over running the actual ad, compared to trying to influence their news coverage. It's pretty thuggish anyway you look at it, IMHO.

136 Halman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:43:02pm

Had me with the Flag of Israel..

137 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:43:08pm

re: #122 MandyManners

Me too, posting in between stirring the sauce and boiling the water.

138 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:43:33pm

re: #110 MandyManners

I know it's from the Texas GOP. What's Fox's excuse?

actually it is a texas millionaires group... AIP (?) can't remember the group...but apparently Obama's team has requested they be punished for the ad....sent letters to Justice dept.

139 Wm T Sherman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:44:00pm

Re: Question about Dr. A's height.

Revealed by alternative view at photo opportunity gathering:

[Link: www.hyscience.com...]

140 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:44:02pm

re: #114 vagabond trader

Hmm, Fox isn't nearly as critical as some want to believe. Did you catch the puff piece bio of the Obama? Not a mention of Ayers,among other key details. Murdock is an ardent supporter, btw.

Yes, I did catch that. And some of their announcers are very clearly pro Obama. Shep Smith, the idiot that is the sports dude on Fox & Friends . . .

I find the number of wealthy businessmen who support Obama almost astounding. He has clearly announced that he will nationalize the oil companies. Don't they realize that once we go down that road, they will be next?

141 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:44:19pm

"Tiny?" Bob Herbert was right - you're all a bunch of phallus-obsessed racists!
/

142 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:44:49pm

re: #127 Kenneth

I don't think pledging to meet with them without precondition is how I define "stepping up pressure". And Joe "let's give Iran $200 million" Biden will be any help in this either.

I quite agree.

143 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:44:59pm

re: #130 offendi

The key to winning a boxing match is body shots. Making the opponent too tired from repeated pummeling of the midsection to allow them to keep their hands up, so that the KO comes.

While "Zeus" Obama is going to be in his leftist temple, McCain is obviously doing the right thing.

BTW on #94 I meant " uptight" republicans.

Excellent point. Ribcage here, solar plexus there, eventually you can't fend them off anymore.

As for #94 thanks for clarifying I was confused, that would apply more to the liberals protesting in Denver right now.

144 francisco d'anconia  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:45:17pm

The Ayers add ran in Ohio too. The Ohio republican party also had a great add running during Hillary's speech last night using her words to bash Obama, different from the McCain one or was it the texas republican party one. I cant remember, but it was different and actually ran in the first commercial break after her speech.

145 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:45:26pm

re: #90 doppelganglander

Because the Obamahdi Army threatened to pull their press credentials. The Sopranos would be proud.

Welcome to the Chicago Way.

146 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:45:38pm

re: #138 kawfytawk

actually it is a texas millionaires group... AIP (?) can't remember the group...but apparently Obama's team has requested they be punished for the ad....sent letters to Justice dept.

Two days in a row. Here -
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

147 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:45:51pm

re: #4 harrylook

I just asked on the previous thread, is it me or has McCain put together the best collection of attack ads in televsion history? Granted, Barry had to do his part by giving him so much ammunition....

Can't wait for the next McCain ad. Should be out, like, what - immediately after Barry's speech?

* * *
They're not attacks, they're the TRUTH!

148 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:46:02pm

"Dangerously unprepared...". I like that. These people are geniuses.

149 Cognito  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:46:21pm

A well-done ad and visually gorgeous. Really lush and well-lit, somehow, even with found footage.

I do wish they had hit the nuclear aspect a little harder. The narrator took on a slightly sarcastic tone when he said "to generate power," but I'm not sure it's enough to catch the attention of busy people as they walk past the television, much potato chips, etc.

150 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:46:54pm

Soooo... aren't the Dems supposed to be having some kind of faked roll call count of the votes? You know, the kind corrupt politicians love - now look for the sake of party unity we're only going to count for awhile then our guy wins like it or not...

151 Miss Molly  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:46:57pm

I liked that political ad from McCain. It only repeats what "The Obama" has been saying so how can the Dems complain. If the Dems don't like the ad they need to complain to their master.

152 harrylook  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:47:19pm

re: #147 alegrias

* * *
They're not attacks, they're the TRUTH!

I don't see why you can't attack with the truth. If there is some more PC term that I should be using to describe an ad that goes after the opponent, I will gladly use it....

153 Lively  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:47:19pm

I bet the Temple speech will make for a nice You Tube.

154 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:47:19pm

Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

155 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:47:36pm

Ahhhh! Class!

Pelosi To McCain Hecklers: "Can We Drill Your Brain?"

House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D- SC) and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) introduced a proposal for energy independence. As one of the speakers addressed increasing green energy development and implementation, a group of John McCain supporters began shouting, "drill here, drill now," which prompted a response from Pelosi. "You want to drill right here? Can we drill your brain?" asked Pelosi. Democratic enthusiasts responded with loud cheers.
156 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:47:37pm

re: #147 alegrias

* * *
They're not attacks, they're the TRUTH!

You're forgetting - anything other than outright fawning over The One™ is an attack ad.

157 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:47:56pm

re: #150 anotherindyfilmguy

All they need is a smoke-filled room (well, if they had any cigars...)

158 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:48:22pm

yeah it was AIP that made the ayers ad....Michelle Malkin talks about all the hubbub and call for prosecution Here

159 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:48:23pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

Please, this is a family website!

160 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:48:37pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

lifeofthemind knows Sasquatch?

161 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:48:45pm

re: #143 cliffster

Excellent point. Ribcage here, solar plexus there, eventually you can't fend them off anymore.

As for #94 thanks for clarifying I was confused, that would apply more to the liberals protesting in Denver right now.

Obama isn't fending them off at all. From the get go a month or so ago, he opened his "fight the smears" website and he has done absolutely nothing except attempt to counteract every last little criticism, statement or ad since. He is so completely off his game and off track that I will be very surprised if he manages to get it back. He is incapable of letting anything go.

Funny thing is, McCain told him exactly how to handle the criticisms before he started him. "Learn to laugh." Obama took that as criticism too and it has been all down hill from there.

162 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:48:52pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

Not even going to ask what that is code for.

163 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:48:53pm

re: #157 joncelli

All they need is a smoke-filled room (well, if they had any cigars...)

They shouldn't have gotten rid of Slick.

164 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:49:09pm

re: #162 Racer X

Not even going to ask what that is code for.

ROFL

165 Edouard  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:49:10pm
166 jorline  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:49:34pm

Great ad...Omama is in the middle of HIS convention and he's not seeing a bump in the polls...keep kicking McCain.

167 offendi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:49:50pm

re: #103 MandyManners

I'd be tempted to respond with a hearty "FUCK YOU" but the moonbat might take that as an invitation.

Don't worry, democrats are given to understand republicans don't have sex. It's like an amoeba thing when they reproduce, or something.

To allow Bill, the oral sex recipient, to speak, but not John Edwards, a popular dem with a strong following because he did the full deed, is hypocritical. They are just afraid women voters will charge Edward's bad behavior to Obama, i.e. allowing him to speak is somehow Obama giving approval. Contradicts their total disdain for morality.

168 Lively  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:49:52pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

I want to make sure this is the most responded to post.

169 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:50:08pm

re: #165 Edouard

BTW, Capt Ed has his piece up at Hotair about the DNC shifting away from a televised floor roll call vote, to delegates voting in their hotels, free from from the prying of cameras.

This has "potential PR disaster" written all over it.

"Count every vote!" LOL

who's gonna be the counter?

170 runrabbitrun  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:50:15pm

The newer Ayers meme that I wish the GOP would push more strongly is: Why did William Ayers, 60's radical, bombsetting terrorist and America-hater see so much potential in Barack Obama for achieving his far leftist goals?

Why did Ayers set so much store in Obama?

171 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:50:33pm

Can't get too excited just yet. Won't be long until B Hussein starts running his own ads. And he has $100 million, and doesn't have stations refusing to run his ads. Oh, and truth is not a requirement, so he will say whatever he wants to about McCain.

172 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:50:39pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

The spotlight now turns upon lifeofthemind.

173 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:51:17pm

re: #140 galloping granny

I find the number of wealthy businessmen who
support Obama almost astounding. He has clearly announced that he will
nationalize the oil companies. Don't they realize that once we go down
that road, they will be next?

Misplaced guilt probably has a lot do do with it. And while no businessman would support out & out nationalization, i.e., the Feds run the show lock, stock & barrel, a "lite" nationalization would be great. They'd be the only game in town, could never be fired, and they'd just have to deal with more regulation & commisar-type figures on the Board of Directors.

174 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:51:25pm

re: #125 Nevergiveup

Sure sounds like it here.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

175 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:51:31pm

re: #133 formercorpsman

Credit were credit is due:
Boyd vs Alinsky

176 Racer X  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:51:36pm

re: #168 Lively

I want to make sure this is the most responded to post.

I say everyone ding up post #154 and put it in the top ten.

177 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:51:36pm

re: #172 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The spotlight now turns upon lifeofthemind.

But he didn't know hairy friend when he was eight.

178 wright1  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:51:38pm

Who is it that joined McCain's Campaign - Steve Smith? Whoever it is has ramped up the campaign and it is clicking on all cylinders - there is a lot of material out there just ready for ignition - all Barry has on the other hand is: McCain is Bush, wah, wah, wah

179 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:51:41pm

re: #165 Edouard

BTW, Capt Ed has his piece up at Hotair about the DNC shifting away from a televised floor roll call vote, to delegates voting in their hotels, free from from the prying of cameras.

This has "potential PR disaster" written all over it.

"Count every vote!" LOL

How fast can we say "rigged election" - Selected, not Elected! This will only make Hillary supporters even more sure that their gal is being railroaded.

180 MJ  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:51:48pm

Actually, they could do another ad in tandem with this one:

If Obama was really concerned about Iran obtaining nuclear weapons, then why did he pick Senator Biden? His record speaks for itself:

Biden Votes Wrong on Iran:

* November 2007, Kyl-Lieberman Resolution, 76-22: Like Obama, Biden was one of the few senators to oppose the bipartisan 2007 Kyl-Lieberman Amendment labeling the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. Democratic senators supporting the bipartisan resolution: Sen. Clinton (D-NY), Sen. Reid (D-NV), Sen. Durbin (D-IL), and Sen. Levin (D-MI).
* June 2004, Letter Urging the President to Highlight Iran's Nuclear Program at the G-8 Summit, 66 Signers: Biden did not sign this important letter which had 66 co-signers.
* May 1998, Iran Missile Proliferation Sanctions Act, 90-4: In 1998, Biden was one of only four senators to vote against the Iran Missile Proliferation Sanctions Act, a bill that punished foreign companies or other entities that sent Iran sensitive missile technology or expertise.

181 Grok the Fullness  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:52:13pm

Good ad. They should have put the clip of the crowd of Iranonazis yelling "Death to America" in unison before an approving Khameini though, instead of the banner.

I love my red meat...bloody! ;p

182 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:52:23pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

If thats him in your av- then its a very very nice hairy friend :-))

183 jester6  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:52:32pm

re: #112 looking closely

Honestly, I don't think the "bounce" is all that relevant anyway.

The most important poll is the election itself. The rest are mostly smoke, shifting here and there with varying margins of error.

At this point in the last two cycles, both Kerry and Gore were ahead of Bush.

Agreed. It's just something political/news junkies like us watch. Kinda like ERA in baseball.

I am interested to see if either candidate has a "ceiling" of support. Pollsters on both sides have claimed it exists. I wanna see if they are right.

184 maddogg  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:52:43pm

re: #155 jcm


Ahhhh! Class!

Pelosi To McCain Hecklers: "Can We Drill Your Brain?"

House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D- SC) and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) introduced a proposal for energy independence. As one of the speakers addressed increasing green energy development and implementation, a group of John McCain supporters began shouting, "drill here, drill now," which prompted a response from Pelosi. "You want to drill right here? Can we drill your brain?" asked Pelosi. Democratic enthusiasts responded with loud cheers.

If we ever have a shit shortage we can drain Pelosi's brain.

185 Outrider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:52:46pm

re: #165 Edouard

BTW, Capt Ed has his piece up at Hotair about the DNC shifting away from a televised floor roll call vote, to delegates voting in their hotels, free from from the prying of cameras.

This has "potential PR disaster" written all over it.

"Count every vote!" LOL

It was my understanding the rules could not be changed once the convention started. Or have they taken the anarchists totally to heart and are going to toss out all rules of protocol just going with what feels good?

186 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:52:49pm

re: #176 Racer X

I say everyone ding up post #154 and put it in the top ten.

Rotating banner, rotating banner!

187 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:53:00pm

re: #171 cliffster

Good point. Expect an ad barrage either during or immediately after the Republican convention. (And the MSM will pitch in as well, of course.)

188 Edouard  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:53:06pm

re: #169 kawfytawk

Why, Jimmuh of course. Doesn't he already certify all Thugocracy elections worldwide?

189 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:53:08pm
190 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:53:33pm

re: #171 cliffster

Can't get too excited just yet. Won't be long until B Hussein starts running his own ads. And he has $100 million, and doesn't have stations refusing to run his ads. Oh, and truth is not a requirement, so he will say whatever he wants to about McCain.

He has been running ads right along. Last month he spent more on just one ad than John McCain spent on his entire campaign. You've noticed the polls, right?

During the primaries he outspent Hillary 10:1 - and she still took most of the popular vote.

191 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:53:35pm

It's nice to see that the Republicans finally have some ad people who get it. It took us long enough, but finally, we have an ad team that's not afraid to pull the right punches. Let's hope they don't stop.

192 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:53:35pm
193 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:53:47pm

re: #184 maddogg

If we ever have a shit shortage we can drain Pelosi's brain.

mmm, a contained infinite vacuum does have intriguing possibilities.

194 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:54:31pm
195 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:54:38pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

I hope it isn't connected to my 'upding' comment...

196 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:54:48pm
197 I heart the USA  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:54:50pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

I hope you mean furry. Otherwise - Eeeeew!

198 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:55:01pm

re: #140 galloping granny

Yes, I did catch that. And some of their announcers are very clearly pro Obama. Shep Smith, the idiot that is the sports dude on Fox & Friends . . .

I find the number of wealthy businessmen who support Obama almost astounding. He has clearly announced that he will nationalize the oil companies. Don't they realize that once we go down that road, they will be next?

Obama is also going to *substantially* increase their personal income taxes, and NOT lower the corporate income tax (which is currently the highest marginal national corporate income tax in the world, with the single exception of Japan).

199 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:55:12pm

re: #188 Edouard

Why, Jimmuh of course. Doesn't he already certify all Thugocracy elections worldwide?

ah you would be correct....pass the peanuts, this is gonna be fun

200 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:55:17pm

re: #174 vagabond trader

Sure sounds like it here.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

We went thru this months ago. He runs a huge multi national company with alot of stock holders ( including me ). He and most CEO's of major corporations donate to both parties. Covering all bases. he said some thing nice about Obama. Big deal. Ever paper he owns will endorse McCain, that is a guarantee. And Fox is the only voice we have on TV even if they disappoint us sometimes. Gotta keep things in perspective now.

201 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:56:02pm

re: #174 vagabond trader

Sure sounds like it here.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Hah - he thinks BO is Tony Blair MarkII, and hopes to repeat his 'success' in selling this TB-Copy to the USA, thats all ...

202 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:56:09pm

The USS Obama has taken damage and is listing badly from the previous battle....repair crews are trying to patch up the holes blasted in the hull by McCain airstrikes and radar detects another heavily loaded strike-force coming in low and fast.

BOOM, POW, KA_BOOM...the USS Obama has been hit again and again! Crew members are at each others throats blaming one another as their ship slips under the waters and disappears forever from the sight of Man.

The arrogant USS Obama crew floats in oil soaked waters wondering what went wrong and who will save them.....just than the first of many large sharks show up to investigate all that noise and splashing.

The End.

203 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:56:24pm

According to the CIA World Factbook, Iran has over 65 million people, compulsory military service starting at age 19 (you can "volunteer" once you hit 15, though, which is nice), and has an extra 750,000+ men reach military service age every year. It also has over 1.36 million square kilometers of land. Multiple world war starting Germany? 349,000.

Plus there's the whole mullahocracy-nuclear program-apocalyptic-desires thing, and its designation as an official State Sponsor of Terrorism.

Given the obviousness of the multitude of mortal threats Iran poses to the world, I can only assume Obama considers it a "tiny" threat only to his plans to snow an entire generation of gullible Democrats.

204 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:57:05pm

re: #189 ploome hineni

this is the political version of American Idol

he is the candidate whose vision is most alluring and unrealistic

a fantasy eveyone can love

I've said it before that Obama is the Sanjaya of American politics - handsome, exotic-looking but non-threatening, & advanced very far on nothing else.

205 marge45b  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:57:05pm

Hannity says' insider told him that Lieberman told McCain campaign not to pick him for VP.

206 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:57:14pm

Hmmm... thinking about Obama's defense about Ayers, "trying to connect me to something that happened when I was 8 years old"...

Suppose you tried that line on your wife if she caught you with a younger woman and you assert, "...but I was 8 years old when she was born!"

How well do you think that would fly?

207 nikis-knight  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:57:30pm

re: #155 jcm

Ahhhh! Class!


House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D- SC) and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) introduced a proposal for energy independence. As one of the speakers addressed increasing green energy development and implementation, a group of John McCain supporters began shouting, "drill here, drill now," which prompted a response from Pelosi. "You want to drill right here? Can we drill your brain?" asked Pelosi. Democratic enthusiasts responded with loud cheers.


Pelosi To McCain Hecklers: "Can We Drill Your Brain?"

Nancy Pelosi correctly identifies the resource Democratic politicians are in critical shortage of.

208 jester6  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:57:44pm

re: #147 alegrias

* * *
They're not attacks, they're the TRUTH!

They can be both. Kind of like political Judo.

209 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:57:47pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

Perot was 92. There was no serious 3rd party 1996 runner

In '96, the economy was running strongly and Clinton's policies had not yet destroyed the strong foundations laid down by 12 years of Reagan/Bush.

210 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:57:56pm

re: #176 Racer X

I say everyone ding up post #154 and put it in the top ten.

Done :-)))

211 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:58:22pm

re: #190 galloping granny

He has been running ads right along. Last month he spent more on just one ad than John McCain spent on his entire campaign. You've noticed the polls, right?

During the primaries he outspent Hillary 10:1 - and she still took most of the popular vote.

Also, McCain has been so effective because there is just so much dirt on Obama, from questionable terrorist associates (Ayers), to politically corrupt ones (Rezko), to repeated political stupidity (like calling Iran a small harmless country), etc.

McCain has a track record that goes back 30 years. No matter what Obama tries, he won't be able to define McCain.

Conversely, Obama was literally unknown to 90% of America a year ago. So its easy for McCain to help fill in the wide gaps for the electorate.

212 harrylook  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:58:27pm

re: #194 ploome hineni

It's Ahmadinejad and Morales touching each other in a weird way. Unfortunately, I needed to shrink it so much that no one can see it....

213 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:58:45pm

re: #190 galloping granny

He has been running ads right along. Last month he spent more on just one ad than John McCain spent on his entire campaign. You've noticed the polls, right?

During the primaries he outspent Hillary 10:1 - and she still took most of the popular vote.

Ok, I'm determined to feel uneasy. The other thing to worry about is the sheer magnitude of his ground force. What does he have, 140 full time employees, all going around areas that are, er, heavily demographic'd for BO, passing out voter registrations. And those same will be there to give rides on election days. That's the reason Hillary lost, and it's what really worries me. The ops that campaign has are quite effective.

214 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:58:56pm

re: #198 looking closely

Two words: Tax Shelters.

It's something these folks have, and we do not. Hence, we get soaked, and they don't. Just ask Warren Buffet. *spit*

215 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:58:57pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind


Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

Tell him to shave his own back!

216 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:59:34pm

re: #205 marge45b

Good for him. I hope McCain wasn't even tempted.

217 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:59:38pm

re: #206 Kenneth

Hmmm... thinking about Obama's defense about Ayers, "trying to connect me to something that happened when I was 8 years old"...

Suppose you tried that line on your wife if she caught you with a younger woman and you assert, "...but I was 8 years old when she was born!"

How well do you think that would fly?

I saw that rebuttal on tv last night I think....the narrator sounded so very whiny

218 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 12:59:40pm

re: #205 marge45b

Hannity says' insider told him that Lieberman told McCain campaign not to pick him for VP.

Lieberman is much, much too valuable as cabinet material to foist off on playing lady in waiting and gavel banging.

219 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:00:03pm

re: #208 jester6

They can be both. Kind of like political Judo.

The best kind, a truthful ad puts the target in the position of responding, that looks defensive, and that doesn't look good.

220 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:00:15pm

re: #120 Racer X

There is typically a 8-10% post convention "bounce". The McCain camp is putting it as high as 16%. Be ready for it, and don't panic.

Keep the informative ads coming Johnny!

What happens when it doesn't materialize? There is usually a bounce to be had from announcing the VP as well, but that hasn't materialized.

221 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:00:45pm

re: #218 galloping granny

Lieberman is much, much too valuable as cabinet material to foist off on playing lady in waiting and gavel banging.

He is also smart enough to know as the VP choice he is a liability to McCain.

222 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:01:15pm

re: #140 galloping granny

Yes, I did catch that. And some of their announcers are very clearly pro Obama. Shep Smith, the idiot that is the sports dude on Fox & Friends . . .

I find the number of wealthy businessmen who support Obama almost astounding. He has clearly announced that he will nationalize the oil companies. Don't they realize that once we go down that road, they will be next?

* * *
Like some wealthy Cubans who welcomed Fidel Castro's CHANGE campaign, they always figured Fidel would only take someone else's stuff, not theirs.

Chavez, Fidel's follower, has now "nationalized" dairies, petroleum, banks, etc. No end of community organizing in sight!

223 runrabbitrun  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:01:26pm

re: #140 galloping granny


I find the number of wealthy businessmen who support Obama almost astounding. He has clearly announced that he will nationalize the oil companies. Don't they realize that once we go down that road, they will be next?

I heard a Fox discussion on the paradox of Wall St support for Obama - the conclusion was that the major $$$$ donors were the wealthy who have made the bulk of their money already - so they are not concerned about taxes on income, they can afford to be bleeding hearts.

The people that O's taxes will kill are the creators and investors in business ideas, who rely on their income to create wealth. A painter came to our house the other day and was shocked that I was for McCain.

"You're Main Street, not Wall Street", he informed me.

I told him that the only reason that I could afford to pay him to do my work was because a Wall Street investor paid my IT husband to design some new business apps for a project that the Wall Streeter was developing. The painter turned to his brushes and buckets, while the crickets chirped....

224 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:01:46pm

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

Two words: Tax Shelters.

It's something these folks have, and we do not. Hence, we get soaked, and they don't. Just ask Warren Buffet. *spit*

Exactly. The poor don't make enough to be taxed, the rich can hire the best tax attorneys & accountants to make sure they don't have to pay. So who gets the brunt of tax hikes?

225 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:02:00pm

re: #213 cliffster

Hopefully the GOP has kept around the people that Karl Rove got to execute their get-out-the-vote effort. That's the key: identify your voters, inform them of what's going on, and get them to the polls even if you have to crawl over broken glass. It put Bush over the top twice.

226 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:02:12pm

re: #203 Diamond Bullet

750,000+ men reach military service age each year.

Excuse me!
It seems to me that it would be more effecient and less time consuming if we began the bombing...oh...say...RIGHT NOW!
Just a thought!

227 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:02:26pm

re: #213 cliffster

Ok, I'm determined to feel uneasy. The other thing to worry about is the sheer magnitude of his ground force. What does he have, 140 full time employees, all going around areas that are, er, heavily demographic'd for BO, passing out voter registrations. And those same will be there to give rides on election days. That's the reason Hillary lost, and it's what really worries me. The ops that campaign has are quite effective.

The last count that I heard of Obama's staff was ~2000, each and every one paid more than any other campaign staff in history. Note also his 301 foreign affairs advisers. Bigger is NOT better.

Hillary did not lose because of voter registrations or rides to the polls. Hillary lost because of the caucuses. And note that she did not lose by much. In other times and places, the nominee would be picked on the convention floor by the delegates in a race this close.

228 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:02:52pm

I have been trying to find the source to back up what I said on Obama threatening to have Fox's credentials pulled if they aired the Ayers ad. So far I've been unsuccessful. Therefore I retract my statement at #90 until and unless I can prove it. Apologies to all concerned.

229 stanleymberg  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:02:58pm

I'm late to this conversation....but I want get back to the original discussion for a moment, and try to focus on the task at hand. John McCain's attack ads like this are brilliant and extremely effective, and, as someone who hasn't always been impressed with how his campaign has been run, I'm incredibly encouraged by how SMARTLY these are being done.

This one, in particular, gave me chills.

McCain musn't overplay his hand on any of this - easy does it. But keep 'em coming too. If he keeps making ads this biting, this real, this scary (and people SHOULD be scared - no, not fearmongering, but NECESSARY fear in the face of real dangers like Iran), he will be taking the oath of office for POTUS in January.

230 rp1138  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:03:29pm

re: #84 Kenneth

By putting out these ads, day after day, on different topics, the McCain campaign has gotten well inside Obama's OODA Loop. It takes one to two days for Obama's campaign to respond, by which time the next ad is out, coming at him from yet another angle. This is how McCain has taken the initiative away from Obama even during the Democratic coronation convention.

The fighter pilot is beating the community organizer.

That's a brilliant observation. It does look as if McCain has gotten inside Obama's decision loop.

231 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:03:33pm

re: #200 Nevergiveup

Oh, sure, ok, thanks.

232 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:04:34pm

re: #203 Diamond Bullet

Indeed, in terms of pure military size (ie number of soldiers), Iran has the 8th largest armed force in the world, beat only by China, the USA, Russia, North and South Korea, India and Pakistan.

Its 25th largest in terms of absolute military expenditure, which is quite a bit smaller, though not negligible.

Not "tiny", I don't think.

233 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:04:49pm

re: #223 runrabbitrun

It a waste of your time and breath to try and convert those who are committed to idiocy. But, thanks for trying.

234 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:05:02pm

re: #178 wright1

Who is it that joined McCain's Campaign - Steve Smith? Whoever it is has ramped up the campaign and it is clicking on all cylinders - there is a lot of material out there just ready for ignition - all Barry has on the other hand is: McCain is Bush, wah, wah, wah

* * *
Steve Schmidt.

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:05:11pm
236 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:05:47pm

I haven't been watching the DNC convention. Have you guys seen a lot of MCain ads during the broadcasts?

237 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:06:28pm

re: #230 rp1138

That's a brilliant observation. It does look as if McCain has gotten inside Obama's decision loop.

McCain has blasted Obama's decision loop to kingdom come. Obama is not making decisions. He is just reacting.

238 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:06:34pm

re: #228 doppelganglander

It was not their credentials, it was their FCC license, which, if BHO gets elected, he (or his appointee) could do.

239 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:06:47pm

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

If the Democrats had run a convention instead of a coronation, Hillary would be the nominee.

This is not a convention. This is a show for the rubes.

Exactly!

240 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:06:55pm

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

Hillary has to take some of the blame. She and her campaign didn't understand how gaming the Dem caucus system would make Obambi a threat until it was too late.

241 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:07:12pm

re: #227 galloping granny

The last count that I heard of Obama's staff was ~2000, each and every one paid more than any other campaign staff in history. Note also his 301 foreign affairs advisers. Bigger is NOT better.

Hillary did not lose because of voter registrations or rides to the polls. Hillary lost because of the caucuses. And note that she did not lose by much. In other times and places, the nominee would be picked on the convention floor by the delegates in a race this close.

Well I agree with you about the caucuses. But it was the effort on the ground that gave him that edge. Well, that and the fact that the delegates from the caucuses was so heavily weighted against Hillary's demographic. Hillary won Texas by a landslide popular vote, but they were even (or BO might have even edged her) in delegates because the counties in the cities got so many more delegates. BO won big in Houston, Dallas, and Austin, and that's all it really took.

Once again, Hillary has been feeling the pain the GOP has felt for decades.

242 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:07:20pm

"I cannot wait to watch Barack Obama sign into law a health care plan that covers every single American" -- HRC last night.

Patients Kept In Dark Over Cancer

A quarter of the myeloma specialists questioned admitted hiding the facts about treatments that may be difficult to obtain on the NHS, said Myeloma UK.

The main reason given by doctors was to avoid distressing or confusing patients.

[snip]

The doctors candidly revealed how they struggled with NHS bureaucracy and cost-cutting to obtain the best treatments for their patients.

One in four said they avoided telling patients about licensed drugs still awaiting approval from NHS watchdog the National Institution for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice).

Primary Care Trusts are generally reluctant to pay for new drugs that have not yet been given the Nice green light.

Welcome to Hope and Change.

243 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:07:26pm

I'd like to see McCain announce his VP Friday....so the MSM will focus on that vs Obama's greek pillar speech

244 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:07:37pm

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

Two words: Tax Shelters.

It's something these folks have, and we do not. Hence, we get soaked, and they don't. Just ask Warren Buffet. *spit*


Warren Buffet's major "shelter" is that he simply never sells anything, therefore never realizing any capital gains.

AFAIK, you can sock away money in trusts and such, but ordinary income essentially can't be sheltered anymore.

I'd like to know what tax shelters these rich folks actually employ, and (assuming there are any), why they are under the delusion that Obama won't close them down.

245 runrabbitrun  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:07:39pm

re: #229 stanleymberg


McCain musn't overplay his hand on any of this - easy does it. But keep 'em coming too. If he keeps making ads this biting, this real, this scary (and people SHOULD be scared - no, not fearmongering, but NECESSARY fear in the face of real dangers like Iran), he will be taking the oath of office for POTUS in January.

I'd also like to see an attack focus on the conundrum that the Obama campaign claims that their candidate is 'new' and 'untainted by the old politics', yet comes directly from the innards of the one of oldest, most corrupt political machines in the country.

246 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:07:49pm

re: #223 runrabbitrun
Don't lose hope. I overheard two parts countermen talking last week. One was grumbling about fuel prices and the urgency for passing a windfall profits tax. The other guy looked at him and asked "What about Microsoft?"
I wanted to shake the guy's hand.

247 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:07:50pm

re: #236 Ward Cleaver

I haven't been watching the DNC convention. Have you guys seen a lot of MCain ads during the broadcasts?

Oh yes. A huge chunk of the ads running on Fox. Plus of course not an hour goes by that they are not talking about one ad or another- and showing the ad in question as part of the story.

248 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:08:15pm

re: #230 rp1138

Thanks, but it wasn't my observation. Richard Fernandez gets credit as does a blog called Classical Values.

249 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:08:48pm

re: #243 kawfytawk

Drudge says McCain will roll out his running mate over the weekend. And hopefully won't resort to smoke signals or messaging or whatever to announce it.

250 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:08:56pm

re: #236 Ward Cleaver

I haven't been watching the DNC convention. Have you guys seen a lot of MCain ads during the broadcasts?

I've seen ads on Fox, but not on the others. But I switch back and forth a lot; could just be coincidence.

251 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:09:29pm

re: #64 NoSubmission

Are there really people out there waiting for ads to make up their minds for them?

Those who are "decided" are shaking out pretty evenly 45% each.
It is the undecided 10% that will determine this election.

252 wright1  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:09:40pm

re: #234 alegrias

Yep - thanks

253 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:09:46pm

Radio report.... HRC releases delegates.....

254 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:09:50pm

re: #250 cliffster

I've seen ads on Fox, but not on the others. But I switch back and forth a lot; could just be coincidence.

Only moonbats or prisoners watch MSNBC so why waste the money?

255 offendi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:09:52pm

The reality of this thing is now very clear.
The wheels have come off of Obama's political tricycle.
How so? Well, the Clinton crowd has decided there is no downside to dissing and dismissing the boy Messiah due to his dismal polling. Obama should be up 12-18% over McCain at this point, he is struggling to stay minimally ahead.
The Clintons have their surrogates dismissing the key note speaker and the convention as a whole.Many are leaving before Obama's speech. Rest assured during the election they will sit on their hands with the happy wish Obama's national political future will be DOA.
"Country Joe" Biden will not appeal to the "bitter" clingers to religion, guns, etc. Catholics will not respond to the long time effete Senator and apply Nancy Pelosi's gibberish on abortion against the ticket.

Once again democrats are involved in a political orgy of self-inflicted failure. I would say one thing to the McCain camp: Attack, attack, attack, and don't give up. Nice-ness is for political losers.

256 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:10:02pm

re: #65 lifeofthemind

The MSM have already assured everyone that Obama is hip and knows about texting while McCain uses a quill pen and wears a powdered wig.

Using a quill pen is tough. the ink blots and it all gets Charlie Browned. I have to respect anyone who can use a quill pen.

257 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:10:29pm

laundry is calling...bbl....oh by the way, looks like Gustav might be heading to the Big Easy...hope they got those buses ready...its not like there hasn't been ample warning

258 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:10:42pm

re: #202 Maximu§

The USS Obama has taken damage and is listing badly from the previous battle....repair crews are trying to patch up the holes blasted in the hull by McCain airstrikes and radar detects another heavily loaded strike-force coming in low and fast.

BOOM, POW, KA_BOOM...the USS Obama has been hit again and again! Crew members are at each others throats blaming one another as their ship slips under the waters and disappears forever from the sight of Man.

The arrogant USS Obama crew floats in oil soaked waters wondering what went wrong and who will save them.....just than the first of many large sharks show up to investigate all that noise and splashing.

The End.

Of course, the SS Obamitanic went to sea with big targets painted on it right over all the holes in the hull patched over with aluminum foil. And the steel that came from the holes was sitting right there for the taking, to be used in making ammo.
The collision with the giant iceberg ego didn't help, either.
The ads are working, and I want McCain to keep it up, but Obama has been a dinghy pretending to be a cruise ship.

259 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:10:56pm

re: #249 joncelli

Drudge says McCain will roll out his running mate over the weekend. And hopefully won't resort to smoke signals or messaging or whatever to announce it.

He announced some days back that he would announce his VP choice on Friday, the day after the end of the Dems convention. So, I suspect that on Friday we will learn who that VP is. McCain is smart enough to keep his word on this, especially in light of the disaster the Obama camp produced.

260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:11:11pm

re: #249 joncelli

Drudge says McCain will roll out his running mate over the weekend. And hopefully won't resort to smoke signals or messaging or whatever to announce it.

Announce it 1 hour before Barry's speach to unsettle him and dilute the DNC's message (Did they get around to getting a message this year?)

261 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:11:27pm

re: #179 galloping granny

How fast can we say "rigged election" - Selected, not Elected! This will only make Hillary supporters even more sure that their gal is being railroaded.

Hillary wants those names so she can file them away for future reference. She's a vindictive bitch, just like always.

She's like the Terminator. She will not stop, ever, until she's at the pointy top of the org chart.

262 solomonpanting  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:11:28pm

A country is manufacturing terror, nukes, and threatens another country.
Obama's respone:

"I came, I saw, Iran"

263 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:11:35pm

re: #232 looking closely

Indeed, in terms of pure military size (ie number of soldiers), Iran has the 8th largest armed force in the world, beat only by China, the USA, Russia, North and South Korea, India and Pakistan.

Its 25th largest in terms of absolute military expenditure, which is quite a bit smaller, though not negligible.

Not "tiny", I don't think.

All true!
But to compare " military spending" ours to theirs is not apples to apples.
We develope,manufacture and stock THE best.
They treat they're military very poorly(not that the U.S. are saints).
Just not fair comparison!
The only oddity is they have willing suicide atackers lining up!

264 stanleymberg  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:11:38pm

I agree with some of the other sentiments here about momentum....McCain has Obama on the ropes right now. He really does. The Obama campaign is clearly reeling. The poll numbers aren't heading their way, the attacks are starting to stick, and people are starting to see through the veneer of "the chosen One".

No overconfidence now.....this has always been and will continue to be an uphill battle for McCain. The dynamics this year are NOT in his favor. But, the tide is also clearly turning - some days it seems like it's turning a lot, other days not much, other days like it's maybe even turning back.

But it's not. Obama's bubble is irreparably burst. He is no longer the Untouchable One. But he could still win. McCain will only win if he can appeal to the vast Center, the moderates and indepedents who (like it or not, diehard conservatives on this board) are the ones who decide every American presidential election in the end. So there you go, my opinion, for what it's worth, not too damn much, I tell ya.

265 jcm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:11:40pm

re: #256 Eowyn2

Using a quill pen is tough. the ink blots and it all gets Charlie Browned. I have to respect anyone who can use a quill pen.

Shelby Foote wrote with a dip pen. About 500 words a day.
I love his writing.

266 jester6  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:11:46pm

re: #213 cliffster

I have heard about great ground machines before. Those are the same ground machines that get record number of young people to register every election but they never turn out to vote.

In an urban environment where you need to get every vote from the projects or nursing homes or homeless shelters this makes a difference. There is no Republican running and the Democrat with the best ground machine wins. But in a national environment where a Democrat is pitted against a Republican, the Democrat needs the ground machine just to break even.

Folks in blue counties don't need to a ground machine - they have cars to get them to work and vote. The folks in the red counties need someone else to get them to the polls - or help them flee a broken levy - because they are too dependent on others.

267 kawfytawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:11:47pm

re: #249 joncelli

Drudge says McCain will roll out his running mate over the weekend. And hopefully won't resort to smoke signals or messaging or whatever to announce it.

Good...but Friday would be even better....let the air out of Obama's post convention balloon

268 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:12:04pm

re: #224 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Exactly. The poor don't make enough to be taxed, the rich can hire the best tax attorneys & accountants to make sure they don't have to pay. So who gets the brunt of tax hikes?

* * *
The poor do so get taxed--at the pump all the time, when inflation rises, when our country can't get enough energy and supplies due to restrictive policies of democrats!

But you're right the middle class pays either way.

269 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:13:26pm

re: #227 galloping granny

The last count that I heard of Obama's staff was ~2000, each and every one paid more than any other campaign staff in history. Note also his 301 foreign affairs advisers. Bigger is NOT better.

Hillary did not lose because of voter registrations or rides to the polls. Hillary lost because of the caucuses. And note that she did not lose by much. In other times and places, the nominee would be picked on the convention floor by the delegates in a race this close.


Agreed.

Also note that despite the voter registrations and so forth, Hill still took the popular Dem primary vote.

Obama won for a number of reasons, including (as you say) gaming the (stupid) Dem primary caucus system, but also eroding the Clinton "base" with identity politics.

Hill's campaign, on the other hand, apparently spent money like a drunken sailor, alienated the Dem brass, and didn't take Obama seriously until it was too late.

270 Dream  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:13:26pm

re: #50 cblesz

They ARE NOT attack ads. They are informative.

I'm aware of that. I know this isn't just mud being thrown around. I'm just saying that with McCain going on the offensive constantly may just offset Obama when he tries to come back and refute these allegations while he throws more and more people under the "Not the I knew" bus.

271 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:13:30pm

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Announce it 1 hour before Barry's speach to unsettle him and dilute the DNC's message (Did they get around to getting a message this year?)

No, because then you get accused of being petty and trying to upstage the event, like Alex Rodriguez

272 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:14:16pm

re: #225 joncelli

Hopefully the GOP has kept around the people that Karl Rove got to execute their get-out-the-vote effort. That's the key: identify your voters, inform them of what's going on, and get them to the polls even if you have to crawl over broken glass. It put Bush over the top twice.

* * *
Please do your part & invite folks to go on a voting date! The more, the merrier.

273 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:14:31pm

re: #259 galloping granny

Okay, here's part of the story from Politico:

The GOP nominee-in-waiting will move to immediately change the campaign conversation from Barack Obama’s football stadium acceptance speech Thursday to the new Republican ticket, to be revealed at a noontime Friday rally in a Dayton, Ohio, basketball arena. McCain and his running mate will then travel by bus to Pennsylvania, where they’ll hold an outdoor event at a minor league baseball stadium in Washington County, just southwest of Pittsburgh. On Sunday, the duo will head to suburban St. Louis for another event to be held at a minor league baseball stadium, this one in O’Fallon, Mo.
274 Outrider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:14:40pm

Why wouldn't big business love BO?
He wants an 80% reduction of carbon emissions by 2050.
He is going to provide funding to the automakers to retool their factories.
He is going to double the fuel economy standards within 18 years.
He is going to prosecute insurance "monopolies"
He is going to guarantee the minimum wage rises EVERY year.
He will support unions.
He will ban the permanent replacement of striking workers.
He will require paid sick leave.
He will tax windfall profits
He will toughen the rules on animal feeding operations (farmers)
He will strengthen anti-monopoly laws
He will require paid medical leaves for women

Shoot. Why wouldn't any business approve any of these promises?

275 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:14:55pm

re: #237 galloping granny

McCain has blasted Obama's decision loop to kingdom come. Obama is not making decisions. He is just reacting.

"Reacting" is a very good word to describe Obama's behavior. He never acts, only reacts. And his reactions lately have been all of a defensive, compensating nature. A "reactive" personality is a key trait of the Narcissist, constantly on guard for threats and dangers to his self-perception. A narcissist doesn't communicate, he fends. He doesn't "open up", he lures you in. He does not share his dreams, he tries to convince you his dream is really yours.

"We are the change we have been waiting for."

276 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:15:02pm

re: #255 offendi

The reality of this thing is now very clear.
The wheels have come off of Obama's political tricycle.
How so? Well, the Clinton crowd has decided there is no downside to dissing and dismissing the boy Messiah due to his dismal polling. Obama should be up 12-18% over McCain at this point, he is struggling to stay minimally ahead.
The Clintons have their surrogates dismissing the key note speaker and the convention as a whole.Many are leaving before Obama's speech. Rest assured during the election they will sit on their hands with the happy wish Obama's national political future will be DOA.
"Country Joe" Biden will not appeal to the "bitter" clingers to religion, guns, etc. Catholics will not respond to the long time effete Senator and apply Nancy Pelosi's gibberish on abortion against the ticket.

Once again democrats are involved in a political orgy of self-inflicted failure. I would say one thing to the McCain camp: Attack, attack, attack, and don't give up. Nice-ness is for political losers.

Actually, he is struggling to maintain a statistical tie. He is not ahead and has not been in a couple of weeks. The margin of error on these polls runs 3-4%, so anything within that indicates dead heat.

Pelosi and Old Joe managed to put Catholic democrats in one hell of a position - go against the party or go against the church. The Church has not been shy in chastising either of them. And they were foolish enough to remove the word "rare" from the abortion plank, along with the "escape" clause that allowed people to disagree with that part of the party platform as a matter of conscience.

277 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:17:11pm

re: #271 cliffster

No, because then you get accused of being petty and trying to upstage the event, like Alex Rodriguez

Sure would be a shame if it got "leaked" around that time though.

278 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:17:11pm

The Obama had better HOPE his big speech surpasses the Gettysburg Address Deux. An entire Greek amphitheater full of screaming, fainting and leg tingling. Nothing less will do.

279 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:17:17pm

re: #49 lawhawk

How many of these ads will get placement in general rotation before the election. Sending them to the Net is one thing, preaching to the converted is one thing - pushing this into mass markets is another.

It does, however, provide McCain's people with an opportunity to gauge reaction and see which ones do best - and use those in wide mass market tv buys.

McCain ran a lot of ads during the Olympics in this battleground state.

280 jester6  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:17:55pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

Perot was 92. There was no serious 3rd party 1996 runner

I know they have been wrong in the past but Wiki has Perot with 8 million votes. Nader the spoiler of 2000 had about 2 million IIRC.

281 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:18:01pm

re: #244 looking closely

Warren Buffet's major "shelter" is that he simply never sells anything, therefore never realizing any capital gains.

AFAIK, you can sock away money in trusts and such, but ordinary income essentially can't be sheltered anymore.

I'd like to know what tax shelters these rich folks actually employ, and (assuming there are any), why they are under the delusion that Obama won't close them down.

* * *
McCain's wife Cindy would know how to shelter income & keep wealth in your family! And, she's always been proud of her country, that made her high school graduate father a multimillionaire selling beer.

282 cygnus  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:18:30pm

re: #8 lifeofthemind

I think he makes Kucinich look big.

"Tiny" isn't referring to his height.

283 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:18:46pm

For all the great ads that address real issues and problems with Obama, I don't think anything says it as well as:

Hope is not a plan.

Of course, the simplicity of it probably won't reach the deluded millions who would just fret their eyebrows and wonder in a child-like voice, "What's wrong with hope?"

284 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:19:33pm

re: #263 reloadingisnotahobby

All true!
But to compare " military spending" ours to theirs is not apples to apples.
We develope,manufacture and stock THE best.
They treat they're military very poorly(not that the U.S. are saints).
Just not fair comparison!
The only oddity is they have willing suicide atackers lining up!


USA vs Iran isn't even close. We win in terms of quantity and especially quality.

But at no point would the full might of the US Armed force ever be brought to bear against Iran or any other single target (not that it would need to). The USA acts as the world's police, and our troops are spread out globally.

As to suicide attack, that might have limited application, but in general its a poor tactic. Wars aren't won with self-destroying armies.

285 mfarmer1  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:20:01pm

These ads are brilliant, not only in substance but in sheer numbers. So many different angles, some with humor, some hard hitting, all with great timing and far too many for the Obama camp to pick out one and focus a rebuttal.

The one with the Hillary supporter whispering that it's ok to vote for McCain was the best in my opinion.

I wonder if Mccain hired those Jack in the Box commercial gurus for his ads?

286 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:20:48pm
287 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:21:04pm

Tiny, bellicose, anti-American, fanatically jihadist, and located at the choke point known as the Straits of Hormuz, whence a huge amount of the oil produced in the Persian Gulf destined for Europe and Japan passes.

I guess Obama's too young to remember the Islamic Revolution, the seizure of our diplomats as hostages by the current theocratic government (an act of war about which Democrat President Jimmy Carter did nothing, or at least nothing effective), and Carter's defense of his failure to support the Shah with "human rights".

288 cygnus  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:22:05pm

re: #59 Peacekeeper

BIG TINY IS RIPPING US OFF!

Big Tiny? Is that like jumbo shrimp?

289 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:22:54pm

re: #251 rawmuse

Those who are "decided" are shaking out pretty evenly 45% each.
It is the undecided 10% that will determine this election.

It always does.
Except in, um, Chicago.

290 Pyrocles  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:23:23pm

"Well, yeah. All Republicans can do is attack and smear; we all know they can't govern! They ignore the issues! These Rovian "swift-boat" smears are all they have!" - standard Obama campaign response to these ads, emphasized on NPR every morning.

Obama is such a rich target for these ads...and someone's gotta get the truth out about this guy; the media won't do it.

291 cygnus  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:23:27pm

re: #76 NoSubmission

I'd upding you if i had my updinger turned on.

LOLLLL

There's medication you can take for that, you know.

292 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:23:36pm

re: #243 kawfytawk

I'd like to see McCain announce his VP Friday....so the MSM will focus on that vs Obama's greek pillar speech

I'm pretty sure that's McCain's plan.

293 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:23:42pm

re: #23 concernedUCIstudent

From an email just sent to me:

John Edwards has been banned from making a speech at the democratic convention for having an affair and lying about it.

Instead Bill Clinton will be speaking in his place.

______________________________________________

That's a niagara of irony.

.

294 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:23:53pm

re: #283 Silhouette

For all the great ads that address real issues and problems with Obama, I don't think anything says it as well as:

Hope is not a plan.

Of course, the simplicity of it probably won't reach the deluded millions who would just fret their eyebrows and wonder in a child-like voice, "What's wrong with hope?"

Here is Obama's entire campaign in a nutshell -

295 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:24:05pm
296 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:24:07pm

re: #238 rawmuse

It was not their credentials, it was their FCC license, which, if BHO gets elected, he (or his appointee) could do.

Seriously? That's much worse. This time I'll have to ask you for a supporting link.

I think I may have gotten this confused with what Obie really did, which was to harass a number of stations airing the ad. Most of them are owned by Sinclair Broadcasting. It's covered pretty thoroughly by Michelle Malkin. She also has the full text of the letter AIP's attorney sent to DOJ. It's a masterpiece.

Here's a link to a list of her posts that are tagged Bill Ayers.

297 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:24:09pm

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Announce it 1 hour before Barry's speach to unsettle him and dilute the DNC's message (Did they get around to getting a message this year?)

yes, it is "I dont look like George Bush"

298 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:24:24pm

re: #65 lifeofthemind

The MSM have already assured everyone that Obama is hip and knows about texting while McCain uses a quill pen and wears a powdered wig.

The Sunday political cartoon in our local fishwrap was picked up from the Lexington, KY paper. It showed McCain using a telegraph key to send a text message. Considering that tapping in code was how prisoners in the Hanoi Hilton communicated from cell-to-cell, I thought it was in extremely bad taste and a really cheap shot. But apparently no one else feels that way - no letters to the editor so far.

299 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:25:36pm
300 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:25:46pm

re: #287 quickjustice

Tiny, bellicose, anti-American, fanatically jihadist, and located at the choke point known as the Straits of Hormuz, whence a huge amount of the oil produced in the Persian Gulf destined for Europe and Japan passes.

I guess Obama's too young to remember the Islamic Revolution, the seizure of our diplomats as hostages by the current theocratic government (an act of war about which Democrat President Jimmy Carter did nothing, or at least nothing effective), and Carter's defense of his failure to support the Shah with "human rights".

I was in high school at the time, as was Barry. Believe me, I remember.

301 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:25:49pm

re: #121 lifeofthemind

re: #83 Sharmuta


We have to do it before Israel feels its back is against the wall

Meaning what exactly? The Israelis get to call for permission when the Iranian missiles are over Jordan?

Hey Obamasshole, Israel has had its back against the wall since 1948.

302 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:26:10pm

Before Jimmy Carter took office, Iran was our Gigantic FRIEND in a bad neighborhood.

Jimmy Carter blinked during the mullah okkupayshun or Iran, and by golly, Houston, we have an Iran problem.

We have a supersized nuclear mullah problem.

303 DaddyO  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:26:26pm

Yeah, great ad, but I wanna see more MSNBC fratricide.

304 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:26:36pm

re: #285 mfarmer1

These ads are brilliant, not only in substance but in sheer numbers. So many different angles, some with humor, some hard hitting, all with great timing and far too many for the Obama camp to pick out one and focus a rebuttal.

The one with the Hillary supporter whispering that it's ok to vote for McCain was the best in my opinion.


Agreed. McCain is hitting hard here.

Further, there is so much dirt on Obama, these attack ads can continue for some time to come.

Note the not-too-subtle fishing for Clinton votes, including the ad with footage of Hillary bashing Obama but praising McCain.

Again, if McCain can lure away only a few percent of Democrat Hillary supporters, that by itself could be enough to tip the election for him.

305 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:26:43pm

re: #238 rawmuse

It was not their credentials, it was their FCC license, which, if BHO gets elected, he (or his appointee) could do.

Wow.....you wanna see what a real 'Peoples Revolution' looks like, try that!

Fox viewers around the country would be in open revolt.

306 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:26:44pm

re: #78 MandyManners

Fox won't run the Ayers ad.

They did, however, show it as a news item.

307 wright1  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:27:07pm

re: #293 Dad O' Blondes

Or a viagra of irony

308 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:27:38pm

re: #304 looking closely

Agreed. McCain is hitting hard here.

Further, there is so much dirt on Obama, these attack ads can continue for some time to come.

Note the not-too-subtle fishing for Clinton votes, including the ad with footage of Hillary bashing Obama but praising McCain.

Again, if McCain can lure away only a few percent of Democrat Hillary supporters, that by itself could be enough to tip the election for him.

I suspect that he can roll out a new ad a day every day from now to the election without beginning to run out of ammunition.

And don't underestimate the power of the internet.

309 joncelli  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:27:48pm

re: #243 kawfytawk

I don't want to give the wrong impression; McCain will announce his pick on Friday, then they'll tour together over the weekend.

310 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:28:22pm

re: #306 Son of the Black Dog

They did, however, show it as a news item.

Several times. About every one of their talking heads has discussed this.

311 runrabbitrun  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:29:16pm

re: #233 rawmuse

It a waste of your time and breath to try and convert those who are committed to idiocy. But, thanks for trying.

True, it's most important to get the committed base to the polls, according to my local GOP offices, but we CAN try to lure the undecideds !

(oh, how I wish I spend more time here during these next few roller-coaster weeks.... The grandpa rabbit says - you used to run to me to vent during a major political event, now you run to Charles and LGF.... heh, he's jealous ;-) )

312 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:29:43pm

re: #287 quickjustice


I guess Obama's too young to remember the Islamic Revolution, the seizure of our diplomats as hostages by the current theocratic government (an act of war about which Democrat President Jimmy Carter did nothing, or at least nothing effective), and Carter's defense of his failure to support the Shah with "human rights".


Obama was 18 years old in 1979.

But even if he was dreaming of chicks, cars, and Led Zeppelin tickets in '79, one would hope he'd have learned at least a LITTLE bit about Iran since then, especially given that he's a US Senator, and is running for POTUS.

313 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:30:27pm

re: #312 looking closely

Obama was 18 years old in 1979.

But even if he was dreaming of chicks, cars, and Led Zeppelin tickets in '79, one would hope he'd have learned at least a LITTLE bit about Iran since then, especially given that he's a US Senator, and is running for POTUS.

No, he'd rather talk to Amadmanonjihad unprepared.

314 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:31:04pm

Friday is McCain's birthday.
It's also the third anniversary of the Katrina Hurricane.

Fortunately for all citizens concerned, this time Republican Bobby Jindal the Governor of Louisiana will ACT, not cower looking for political cover.

315 jill e  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:31:35pm

Wimps and people pleasers—just not good Presidential material

316 DaddyO  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:32:39pm

re: #312 looking closely

one would hope he'd have learned at least a LITTLE bit about Iran since then...


When I cleaned out the garaged earlier this year, I found a long lost FU*K IRAN button. I'm gonna mail it to Obama.

317 jester6  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:33:01pm

re: #284 looking closely

As to suicide attack, that might have limited application, but in general its a poor tactic. Wars aren't won with self-destroying armies.

Depends on how you define victory. The leader of Iran would probably consider nuking Tel Aviv and getting population of Tehran a one way ticket to heaven in the retaliation would be a victory in his eyes.

And I dare say even the nastiest kill-em-all-let-god-sort-em-out-Islamaphobes amongst us would consider that a catastrophic failure if the West let it go that far. In effect we would lose.

318 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:34:59pm

I'm pretty sure Obama said Iran was tiny compared to the geographical size of Russia. I'm not an Obama supporter and even I can see how suspicious this advertisement is.

319 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:35:02pm

re: #317 jester6

For Ahmadinejad, Mutually Assured Destruction is not a deterrent, it's an inducement.

320 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:35:19pm

re: #316 DaddyO

When I cleaned out the garaged earlier this year, I found a long lost FU*K IRAN button. I'm gonna mail it to Obama.

That would go well with Homer Simpson's "Ayatollah Aysaholah" T-shirt.

321 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:35:53pm

All this talk about how old someone was when this or that happens overlooks a couple of points.

The world did not begin with any one person's birth.

And will not end with any one person's death.

History is not a chain with many links. If one link is broken it does not break the chain of history.

History is a thick rope of many threads. The breaking on any one thread matters little to history.

322 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:36:04pm

re: #317 jester6

Depends on how you define victory. The leader of Iran would probably consider nuking Tel Aviv and getting population of Tehran a one way ticket to heaven in the retaliation would be a victory in his eyes.

And I dare say even the nastiest kill-em-all-let-god-sort-em-out-Islamaph obes amongst us would consider that a catastrophic failure if the West let it go that far. In effect we would lose.

The fallout would be almost as bad as the event.

323 WrathofG-d  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:36:25pm

What I have never understood, and I hope someone can clear it up for me, is why when discussing Iran people (in this case the McCain Campaign) only points out that Iran "wants to destroy Israel", when in reality all "Death to Israel" threats are followed up or preceded with "Death to America" and threats to destroy the "Great Satan".

Defense against Iran is not about Israel, its about America.

324 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:36:33pm

re: #308 galloping granny

I suspect that he can roll out a new ad a day every day from now to the election without beginning to run out of ammunition.

I wouldn't go that far . . .there are only so many angles of attack, though I'd bet cash money his team already has several more pretty good attack ads "in the can" ready to go.

Like any election, most of it is about motivating the base. If all the likely Republican voters come out and vote, McCain wins. If the Dem voters vote, Obama wins.

McCain needs to ensure that the Repub voters are motivated to show up, and try and grab whatever he can from the "undecideds". In this cycle, he's got an extra shot at sucking away some disenchanted Hillary Democrats, though how successful he will be at that remains to be seen.

325 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:36:35pm

The Obama=TLP. Typical libral person who can dish it out but cannot take it.Fragile wittle ego I'd say.

326 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:37:03pm

This video from Glenn Beck is the funniest thing yet done in this campaign, especially for "fans" of the late, unlamented Soviet Union:

O' Hail the Messiah Lord Obama

Btw, the Third Reich was tiny compared to the Soviet Union (smaller than Iran, in fact). Maybe that's why Stalin was so confident about negotiating with them in 1939-41. We know how well that worked out.

327 cygnus  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:37:10pm

re: #157 joncelli

All they need is a smoke-filled room (well, if they had any cigars...)

Insert Clinton joke here.

328 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:37:17pm
329 toonman  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:37:23pm

My friend made a commercial about Obama's experience,
Barack Obama Has No Experience. He added some new stuff to the end, so we had to reload it. We are trying to get some views and ratings, so please pass it along to everyone you know.

Thanks Lizards!

330 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:38:04pm

re: #323 WrathofG-d

What I have never understood, and I hope someone can clear it up for me, is why when discussing Iran people (in this case the McCain Campaign) only points out that Iran "wants to destroy Israel", when in reality all "Death to Israel" threats are followed up or preceded with "Death to America" and threats to destroy the "Great Satan".

Defense against Iran is not about Israel, its about America.

Israel is closer, they could lob a nuke there right now if they had it. Also, they've been saying that for 50 years so it reminds people of how long the people there have been nuts.

331 jester6  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:38:08pm

re: #306 Son of the Black Dog

They did, however, show it as a news item.

And that is even better for McCain. He got air time and did not have to pay for it.

332 cygnus  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:38:10pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Excuse me folks a hairy friend has needs.

Your Chia pet needs a trim?

333 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:38:23pm

re: #318 Ms. Missive

No, Obama was referring to the size of the respective militaries of the USSR and Iran. On that point he was technically correct. But he missed the point of the real threat: the USSR was not going to launch a nuclear war they could not win, while Ahmadinejad and his allies in the Mahdi cult have a motivation to start Armageddon. They believe the Mahdi will appear and win the war for them.

334 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:39:16pm

re: #317 jester6

If we let it get so far as Iran setting off even one nuclear bomb in the West it will, indeed, be a tremendous failure. We should pre-empt a long time before it comes to that.

335 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:39:43pm

re: #327 cygnus

Insert Clinton joke here.

I think its against the law to mention cigar, Clinton and insert in the same post.

336 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:39:54pm

re: #327 cygnus

Insert Clinton joke here.

Insert "insert" joke here

337 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:40:06pm

re: #318 Ms. Missive

I'm pretty sure Obama said Iran was tiny compared to the geographical size of Russia. I'm not an Obama supporter and even I can see how suspicious this advertisement is.

* * *
Minimizing the threat of a country that kills Americans with its IEDs is stupid no matter how you parse it.

Minimizing the threat of a country that threatens Israel and the US every day, in public parades and from its top leaders, is stupid.

Minimizing the threat of a country that lies about its nuclear activities to the EU, the UN and the whole world, is stupid.

338 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:40:58pm

re: #58 jester6

This is and was the Democrat's election to loose. Obama just might be the man to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

No, it's the Democrat's election to lose.

I am truly dumbfounded by just how often I see the word "lose" misspelled as "loose".

339 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:41:13pm

Back in again ...
... so, have we any breaking news about lifeofthemind's hairy friend?

/helluva lot more interesting than the DNC right now

340 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:41:22pm

re: #335 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think its against the law to mention cigar, Clinton and insert in the same post.

Careful Kragar, your going to land us all in a re-education camp.

341 Outrider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:41:23pm

re: #312 looking closely

Obama was 18 years old in 1979.

But even if he was dreaming of chicks, cars, and Led Zeppelin tickets in '79, one would hope he'd have learned at least a LITTLE bit about Iran since then, especially given that he's a US Senator, and is running for POTUS.

I remember I was in the 4th Inf Div at that time and it was our turn in the barrel as the Ready Division. I remember the events leading up to the embassy invasion and seizure and the thoughts of the soldiers at the time. I remember the micromanagement by the Boys in Blue Jeans in the White House of the Desert One team and the subsequent results of said micromanagement. The entire episode was an embarrassment and produced a lot of anger in the ranks.

I am hoping we never see this crap again......or another Carter crisis-the Church Commission and the subsequent intelligence failures resulting from those decisions.

342 SFGoth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:41:24pm

Better be a targeted ad. Methinks a lot of Middle America doesn't want to be spending our money and risking our boys' lives to protect Joooz in a foreign country.

343 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:41:48pm

re: #337 alegrias

* * *
Minimizing the threat of a country that kills Americans with its IEDs is stupid no matter how you parse it.

Minimizing the threat of a country that threatens Israel and the US every day, in public parades and from its top leaders, is stupid.

Minimizing the threat of a country that lies about its nuclear activities to the EU, the UN and the whole world, is stupid.

But there was no "minimizing" of a threat. It was simply a matter of numbers... mathematics...

344 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:41:49pm

re: #318 Ms. Missive

I'm pretty sure Obama said Iran was tiny compared to the geographical size of Russia. I'm not an Obama supporter and even I can see how suspicious this advertisement is.

A rogue Islamofascist state like Iran with nukes would be a much greater threat than the former Soviet Union, for the simple reason that Iran is run by a death cult whereas the Russkies are at least rational enough to be deterred by the prospect of MAD.
Obama is therefore just plain wrong.

345 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:41:54pm

re: #336 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Insert "insert" joke here

*rimshot*
GIVE THAT MAN A CIGAR!

346 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:42:04pm

re: #318 Ms. Missive

I'm pretty sure Obama said Iran was tiny compared to the geographical size of Russia. I'm not an Obama supporter and even I can see how suspicious this advertisement is.

19 Men killed over 3000 people inside an hour. Size doesn't matter. Intent and will does.

347 WrathofG-d  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:42:20pm

re: #330 cliffster

Fine but "vote to save Israel" only appeals to X amount of people where "vote to save your own American ass" appeals to everyone.

I don't want the U.S. voting on behalf of Israel. This isn't about Israel. This is about the United States. The election is about America!

348 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:42:42pm

re: #317 jester6

Depends on how you define victory. The leader of Iran would probably consider nuking Tel Aviv and getting population of Tehran a one way ticket to heaven in the retaliation would be a victory in his eyes.

And I dare say even the nastiest kill-em-all-let-god-sort-em-out-Islamaph obes amongst us would consider that a catastrophic failure if the West let it go that far. In effect we would lose.


The tactical context was conventional armies and soldiers, not nukes.

To get to Israel, Iranian "human wave" suicide attacks would have to cross all the way across Iraq (ie right through battle-hardened American forces stationed there), THEN across Syria (or less likely, Jordan). Even assuming this could happen, the Iranian suicide attackers would then be sitting ducks for Israeli air power.

In terms of nukes, sure Iran could make the calculation that it could destroy Israel with only one or two nukes, and that the massive Iranian casualties incurred by a potential Israeli second strike retaliation would be acceptable. But that's a different sort of metric, and not really a "suicide attack" in the conventional sense.

349 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:42:55pm

re: #340 Maximu§

Careful Kragar, your going to land us all in a re-education camp.

If thats all it took, I was headed there long, long ago.

350 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:43:31pm

So what happened, did McCain and his staff drink a few Monster Energy Drinks before Saddleback? It seems like McCain finally woke up then, and has been kicking his ass every since. (hopefully he hasn't kicked too soon!)

351 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:44:30pm

re: #346 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Iran has only been screaming "Death to America" since I was a child. Sooner or later they are going to try to make good on their threat. If they haven't already tried.

352 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:44:32pm

re: #350 cliffster

So what happened, did McCain and his staff drink a few Monster Energy Drinks before Saddleback? It seems like McCain finally woke up then, and has been kicking his ass every since. (hopefully he hasn't kicked too soon!)

Maybe Bob Dole loaned him some of the little blue pills.

353 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:44:56pm

re: #335 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think its against the law to mention cigar, Clinton and insert in the same post.

How many cigars come in a box?

354 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:45:09pm

re: #344 sparrowlake

A rogue Islamofascist state like Iran with nukes would be a much greater threat than the former Soviet Union, for the simple reason that Iran is run by a death cult whereas the Russkies are at least rational enough to be deterred by the prospect of MAD.
Obama is therefore just plain wrong.

You are correct that the Iranian threat is greater than the Soviet threat. But we're talking about semantics here. It's like saying a golf ball is tinier than a pillow. That's true. But when you throw them at someone's face, the golf ball will hurt more. Just because I called a golf ball 'tiny' doesn't mean I don't think it'll hurt when it gets slammed into my face.

355 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:45:27pm

re: #347 WrathofG-d

Fine but "vote to save Israel" only appeals to X amount of people where "vote to save your own American ass" appeals to everyone.

I don't want the U.S. voting on behalf of Israel. This isn't about Israel. This is about the United States. The election is about America!

If you notice the subject matter of the different videos, you will note that many of them are aimed at a particular demographic - say, disaffected Hillary supporters. This one is aimed at those for whom the continued existence of Israel and Ahamabadman's threat to obliterate that small nation are of paramount importance.

356 Cognito  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:45:37pm

re: #318 Ms. Missive

I'm pretty sure Obama said Iran was tiny compared to the geographical size of Russia. I'm not an Obama supporter and even I can see how suspicious this advertisement is.

You know, I went back and read the original material, and you're right.

This will be a highly effective advertisement for McCain. Effective, for sure. But I'm not so sure about honest.

357 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:45:44pm

re: #327 cygnus

Insert Clinton joke here.

On November 29, 1984, Rosenberg and a co-conspirator, Timothy Blunk, were finally apprehended in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. At the time, they were actively planning an unspeakable bombing campaign that would have put at risk the lives of countless innocent people. They also possessed twelve assorted guns (including an Uzi 9 mm. semi-automatic rifle and an Ithaca twelve-gauge shotgun with its barrel sawed off), nearly 200 sticks of dynamite, more than 100 sticks of DuPont Trovex (a high explosive), a wide array of blasting agents and caps, batteries, and switches for explosive devices. Arrayed in disguises and offering multiple false identities to arresting officers, the pair also maintained hundreds of false identification documents, including FBI and DEA badges.

When she was sentenced to 58 years' imprisonment in 1985, the only remorse Rosenberg expressed was over the fact that she and Blunk had allowed themselves to be captured rather than fighting it out with the police. Bernadine Dohrn was jailed for contempt when she refused to testify against Rosenberg. Not to worry, though. On his last day in office, the last Democrat president, Bill Clinton, pardoned Rosenberg — commuting her 58-year sentence to time-served.

The punch line to a very bad joke.

358 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:45:45pm

re: #344 sparrowlake

A rogue Islamofascist state like Iran with nukes would be a much greater threat than the former Soviet Union, for the simple reason that Iran is run by a death cult whereas the Russkies are at least rational enough to be deterred by the prospect of MAD.
Obama is therefore just plain wrong.

Absolutely correct.
If Obama doesn't know anything about the Twelvers by now, he's ... [censored].

359 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:45:46pm

re: #352 shiplord kirel

Must be, 'cause it looks like McCain grew a pair of balls!

360 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:45:48pm

But but but, McLame has like 15 houses and can't remember anything. muwahahahahahahahaha!

361 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:45:50pm

re: #343 Ms. Missive

But there was no "minimizing" of a threat. It was simply a matter of numbers... mathematics...

* * *
Ok, have it your way.

Minimizing the threat of a country that recruits women as suicide martyrs in burqas to use against us, is stupid.

Minimizing the threat of Iran, which supports terrorists in Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Jordan, Israel, is stupid.

362 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:45:55pm

re: #353 sparrowlake

How many cigars come in a box?

Did you mean that to sound as dirty as it does?

363 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:45:56pm

re: #320 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That would go well with Homer Simpson's "Ayatollah Aysaholah" T-shirt.

I knew someone during the hostage crisis act of war who wanted to market Ayatollah Khomeni toilet paper. I thought it was a great idea.

364 mich-again  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:46:12pm

re: #342 SFGoth

Better be a targeted ad. Methinks a lot of Middle America doesn't want to be spending our money and risking our boys' lives to protect Joooz in a foreign country.

There is likely more support for Israel in the Bible Belt than there is on both left coasts.

365 runrabbitrun  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:46:15pm

re: #321 razorbacker

All this talk about how old someone was when this or that happens overlooks a couple of points.

The world did not begin with any one person's birth.

And will not end with any one person's death.

Everytime I hear the Obama ad arguing that Barry was only 8 years old during the Ayers atrocities, I wonder if Barry would also claim that he would never dream that Groucho Marx was famous as a comedian - after all, his most significant body of work came way before Barry was even born.

366 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:46:19pm

re: #350 cliffster

So what happened, did McCain and his staff drink a few Monster Energy Drinks before Saddleback? It seems like McCain finally woke up then, and has been kicking his ass every since. (hopefully he hasn't kicked too soon!)

I think McCain's campaign was simply waiting for the appropriate timing.

You want slow and steady erosion of Obama's support over time, not a blitzkrieg attack giving him time to recover.

367 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:46:24pm

re: #350 cliffster

So what happened, did McCain and his staff drink a few Monster Energy Drinks before Saddleback? It seems like McCain finally woke up then, and has been kicking his ass every since. (hopefully he hasn't kicked too soon!)

It looks like he has timed it well. Kicked it off several weeks before the convention, added to it as needed to tamp down the potential poll bounces at the VP announcement and the Convention (how effect that has been is TBD). I am not questioning this timing.

368 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:46:52pm

re: #353 sparrowlake

How many cigars come in a box?

Well that depends on the box and how drunk it is...

(is Mandy going to whack me for this?)

369 Cognito  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:46:53pm

re: #356 Cognito

As a post-script: I'm not saying I'm cool with what Obama did say about the size of the Soviet Union as opposed to Iran, etc., simply that he didn't say it in the manner that the advertisement indicates.

370 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:47:31pm

re: #351 Iron Fist

Iran has only been screaming "Death to America" since I was a child. Sooner or later they are going to try to make good on their threat. If they haven't already tried.

* * *
Iran kills our troops using Iranian-made IEDs.

371 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:47:42pm

re: #356 Cognito

You know, I went back and read the original material, and you're right.

This will be a highly effective advertisement for McCain. Effective, for sure. But I'm not so sure about honest.

No one ever said that politicians were honest! lol. They don't get to those high ranking positions by being clean-cut.

372 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:47:45pm

re: #353 sparrowlake

How many cigars come in a box?

ah ... er ... uh ...

/no, I better not ...
*tiptoeing away*

373 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:47:58pm

re: #367 CyanSnowHawk

It looks like he has timed it well. Kicked it off several weeks before the convention, added to it as needed to tamp down the potential poll bounces at the VP announcement and the Convention (how effect that has been is TBD). I am not questioning this timing.

Hey, I'm not questioning the timing. Just weird that he was so absolutely silent before that.

374 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:48:06pm

re: #369 Cognito

The Obama's gaffes are never the gaffes he recalls.

375 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:48:10pm

re: #363 Kosh's Shadow

You can buy the shirt here!

376 WrathofG-d  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:48:40pm

re: #365 runrabbitrun

I wasn't alive when Slavery or institutionalized racism exists. Well, glad we put those issues to rest, no need to discuss racism in America anymore.

377 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:48:41pm

re: #318 Ms. Missive

re: #356 Cognito

Geographically Obama is correct. Iran IS tiny as compared to the old Soviet Union (which is what he was comparing it too) I wonder if he were running for President in 1940 he would have stated Japan was "a TINY country".

378 opnion  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:48:43pm

re: #356 Cognito

You know, I went back and read the original material, and you're right.

This will be a highly effective advertisement for McCain. Effective, for sure. But I'm not so sure about honest.

It seems like a distinction without meaning. The issue really was nukes & Obama dismissed Iran as not a crdible threat.
Then when he got flak, he walked it back.

379 ladycatnip  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:48:56pm

OT but not really.

ABC reporter arrested for taking picture of senators and big donars on the sidewalk outside the hotel where a "private meeting" was taking place. What are the dems afraid of here?

No wonder Obama and his ilk love Castro, Chavez, and the Little Man from Iran. This abuse of power by the dems will come back to haunt them in November.

380 Dustoff-507  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:49:07pm

re: #343 Ms. Missive

Yes they are a big threat. Russia is giving Iran all the nuke help they need.

Do you think Putin would not love to see a nuke from Iran go off here.
We would lose Americans, the price of oil would hit the roof and Putin would not only get richer, but much stronger.

It's a win-win for him.

381 jester6  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:49:46pm

re: #334 Iron Fist

If we let it get so far as Iran setting off even one nuclear bomb in the West it will, indeed, be a tremendous failure. We should pre-empt a long time before it comes to that.

I agree. But keep in mind pre-emption is not an event, it's a posture. We have to keep up the posture until the clock runs out - and that happens when the petro-dollars stop flowing or theocrats are turned out of office in Iran.

382 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:49:48pm

re: #369 Cognito

As a post-script: I'm not saying I'm cool with what Obama did say about the size of the Soviet Union as opposed to Iran, etc., simply that he didn't say it in the manner that the advertisement indicates.

indeed.

383 mailmars  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:49:49pm

Great ads but if McCain picks Romney as VP it will be all for naught. He will just give Obama-Biden then same ammunition and will prove once again that the Republican party does just as well with feeding victory to the jaws of defeat. If he does not pick a strong female or a candidate with some serious wow, we will lose.. period end of story, roll the credits.


Mark

384 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:49:52pm
385 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:49:59pm

re: #370 alegrias

Good point. They also backed Hizb'allah in 1983. We've owed them for a long time. All the way back to Jimmy Carter and the 444 Days of Shame.

386 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:50:27pm

re: #369 Cognito

As a post-script: I'm not saying I'm cool with what Obama did say about the size of the Soviet Union as opposed to Iran, etc., simply that he didn't say it in the manner that the advertisement indicates.

I do remember that comment being played repeatedly on TV when it was made however. It was cut down to little more than the blurb that is used in the ad more than once.

387 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:51:03pm

re: #343 Ms. Missive

Obama went on to say that if Iran tried anything, they would lose in a confrontation with the US. And that's the whole problem with his perception: the fact is the mullahs are killing Americans right now and have been for several years! Obama the Democrats deny it and have actively worked to bind the hands of the current president in trying to respond to Iran's attacks.

To wag his finger and say he's going to "get tough" with Iran, while simultaneously pledging to meet with them with no preconditions is a recipe for disaster.

388 mich-again  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:51:08pm

By supplying terrorists with training and weapons Iran has been waging war against the US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan for the last 5 years. But true to their Persian DNA, they are too big of pussies to actually declare war on the USA and prefer to act like bystanders. There isn't a drop of courage or honor in them.

389 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:51:30pm

re: #379 ladycatnip

OT but not really.

ABC reporter arrested for taking picture of senators and big donars on the sidewalk outside the hotel where a "private meeting" was taking place. What are the dems afraid of here?

No wonder Obama and his ilk love Castro, Chavez, and the Little Man from Iran. This abuse of power by the dems will come back to haunt them in November.

Since WHEN is this illegal? Even in Denver?

390 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:51:30pm

re: #373 cliffster

Hey, I'm not questioning the timing. Just weird that he was so absolutely silent before that.

That was kind of weird, but this whole campaign has been that way. Wasn't it about this time last year that the candidates were announcing their intentions to run?

391 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:51:53pm

Joos.

Otherwise:

Gas prices are too motherfucking high. As you know, I do own my own jet and I have been having flying back and forth to LA pursuing my acting career. Now, if I'm flying back and forth, like, twice in a month that's like $200,000 or $250,000 round trip. FUCK that. I'm back on American Airlines right now. Ok? Your boy Diddy right now is on American Airlines. Look. I want to give a shout out to all my Saudi Arabian brothers and sisters and all my brothers and sisters from all the countries that have oil, if you could all please send me some oil for my jet I would truly appreciate it. But right now, can you believe it, I am actually flying commercial. That's how high gas prices are ok, so I feel you. Look, I'm at the gate right now. This is proof that gas prices are too high, we need to do something about it, so tell whoever the next president is that we need to bring gas back down."

P Diddy.

392 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:52:04pm

re: #379 ladycatnip

OT but not really.

ABC reporter arrested for taking picture of senators and big donars on the sidewalk outside the hotel where a "private meeting" was taking place. What are the dems afraid of here?

No wonder Obama and his ilk love Castro, Chavez, and the Little Man from Iran. This abuse of power by the dems will come back to haunt them in November.

Not trusting ABC, I wanna see how this plays out. That said, it looks like deep doo doo for someone.

393 cygnus  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:52:34pm

re: #233 rawmuse

It a waste of your time and breath to try and convert those who are committed to idiocy. But, thanks for trying.

Like cleaning out the Augean Stables with a toothbrush.

394 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:52:37pm

re: #385 Iron Fist

Good point. They also backed Hizb'allah in 1983. We've owed them for a long time. All the way back to Jimmy Carter and the 444 Days of Shame.

* * *
Mathematically speaking for Ms. Missive, "tiny" Iran has been killing Americans and misbehaving for almost 30 years, thanks to democrats who wouldn't stand up to terrorists.

(And the French who sheltered the Ayatollah Khomeini).

395 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:52:39pm

re: #387 Kenneth

Obama went on to say that if Iran tried anything, they would lose in a confrontation with the US. And that's the whole problem with his perception: the fact is the mullahs are killing Americans right now and have been for several years! Obama the Democrats deny it and have actively worked to bind the hands of the current president in trying to respond to Iran's attacks.

To wag his finger and say he's going to "get tough" with Iran, while simultaneously pledging to meet with them with no preconditions is a recipe for disaster.

My point was that the advertisement is blatantly misleading. No more. No less.

396 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:53:24pm

Are the threads in the rope of history intertwined? Well, you tell me...

The lovely Ms. Dohrn, Mrs. Bill Ayers, is not just the hostess of Barack Obama's first fundraiser, but an enthusiastic fan of the way Charles Mason's cult murdered a woman who was almost nine months pregnant. Dorhn is suspected of multiple terrorist acts, including building and planting the bomb that detonated at San Francisco's Park Police Station, killing one police officer and blinding another.

Bill Ayers admits directly being involved in attacks on New York City Police Headquarters, the Capitol building, and the Pentagon.

Fellow Weathermen had 100 sticks of dynamite and boxes of roofing nails they were making into pipe bombs to massacre revelers at an non-commissioned officers dance at Fort Dix. Ayer's girlfriend at the time, Diana Oughton, was building one of the nail-filled bombs when it went off in her hands. Instead of unsuspecting soldiers and their innocent dates, these terrorists killed only themselves, that time.

Dohrn worked at the law firm of Sidley Austin thanks to Ayers family connections with the firm. Other famous lawyers at Sidley Austin you might know include summer associate Barack Obama and Michelle Robinson, later Michelle Obama.

397 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:53:31pm

re: #388 mich-again

Hey, let's not say anything about the character of the Persian people - they're almost as sick of the Mad mullahs as we are.

398 Cognito  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:53:37pm

re: #379 ladycatnip

OT but not really.

ABC reporter arrested for taking picture of senators and big donars on the sidewalk outside the hotel where a "private meeting" was taking place. What are the dems afraid of here?

No wonder Obama and his ilk love Castro, Chavez, and the Little Man from Iran. This abuse of power by the dems will come back to haunt them in November.

Holy CRAP.

This is becoming a real trend. A frightening trend.

Obama's not out to destroy the Second Amendment. He's out to destroy the FIRST.

399 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:53:56pm

re: #360 vagabond trader

But but but, McLame has like 15 houses and can't remember anything. muwahahahahahahahaha!

That's just what I hear from moonbats at work.

400 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:54:13pm
401 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:54:19pm

re: #394 alegrias

* * *
Mathematically speaking for Ms. Missive, "tiny" Iran has been killing Americans and misbehaving for almost 30 years, thanks to democrats who wouldn't stand up to terrorists.

(And the French who sheltered the Ayatollah Khomeini).

I totally agree with you. 100%.

But does any care anymore with the way words get twisted to the point of being totally off their original intention?

402 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:54:37pm

re: #396 razorbacker

Didn't know that tidbit. The old six degrees of seperation thingy. Thanks.

403 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:55:03pm

Fox News says The One's plane is about to arrive in Denver. I'm surprised he needed a plane.

404 Celtic Templar  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:55:16pm

Did one with "Above is Paygrade" come out yet? If not, show an infant, voice over, "When does life begin?" This question was above obama's paygrade ... Hit the audience with extremist abortionist positions that Obama has voted for and say something like, John McCain for the rights of women and newborns. yadayadayad ... approved by ...

405 opnion  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:55:39pm

re: #386 galloping granny

I do remember that comment being played repeatedly on TV when it was madeowever. It was cut down to little more than the blurb that is used in the ad more than once.

I just don't see the McCain ad as dishonest. It is like all that crap about taking Reverend Wright out of context. The totality of his sermons are atually worse.
McCain says I don't care if we are in Iraq for 100 years , as long as we are not taking casualties. Obama & the other Dems make it sound like he wants to stay at war for 100 years.
Bottom line ,Obama dismissed Iran as a threat.

406 Cognito  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:55:58pm

The ABC reporter arrested may be the biggest, most symbolic news of the day, from the Convention.

(No, it's not really just about ABC.)

A thread, Charles?

407 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:56:24pm

re: #396 razorbacker

Forgot to say where it came from...

"I don't regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times' profile. "I feel we didn't do enough." In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint, Mich., whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World revolutionaries conquer and destroy it. Taking charge of the podium, dressed in high-heeled boots and a leather miniskirt -- her signature uniform -- Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast." Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson, whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight " (the pregnant actress Sharon Tate had been stabbed in her womb with a fork), Dohrn shouted: "Dig it. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach! Wild! "

The Confederate Yankee.

408 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:56:26pm

re: #398 Cognito

Holy CRAP.

This is becoming a real trend. A frightening trend.

Obama's not out to destroy the Second Amendment. He's out to destroy the FIRST.

I'm hoping somebody else was around taking the same pics with a cell phone.

409 WrathofG-d  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:57:21pm

re: #400 taxfreekiller

I agree. It is disgusting. I saw Chris Mathews (I believe) making jokes with that "politically incorrect" guy making Anti-Mormon jokes as if it was acceptable.

Disgusting.

410 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:57:31pm

re: #399 Kosh's Shadow

I know. Got into a minor argument with a friend who insists that WE are inciting Iran and all the other jihadis. I told her,good, keeps them on their toes and in our sites. She was not amused and actually burst into tears. Sent her son to school in Canada just in case there's a draft. Unreal.

411 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:57:35pm
412 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:57:39pm

re: #406 Cognito

The ABC reporter arrested may be the biggest, most symbolic news of the day, from the Convention.

(No, it's not really just about ABC.)

A thread, Charles?

I second the "new thread".

413 Cognito  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:58:44pm

re: #411 taxfreekiller

ABC is not the news, ABC lies 24/7 has for 40 years, they are the evil within.

arrest them all, throw the keys away

re: #411 taxfreekiller

ABC is not the news, ABC lies 24/7 has for 40 years, they are the evil within.

arrest them all, throw the keys away

You've got to shift off that burr under your saddle, taxfreekiller. It's not just about ABC.

414 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:59:03pm

re: #395 Ms. Missive

My point was that the advertisement is blatantly misleading. No more. No less.

I don't think you have made your case.

415 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:59:08pm

re: #300 doppelganglander

I was in high school at the time, as was Barry. Believe me, I remember.

Yeah, but you probably weren't stoned out of your gourd most of the time.

416 opnion  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:59:44pm

re: #389 galloping granny

Since WHEN is this illegal? Even in Denver?

It is not. The law is vague on some things , but not something like this. You have no expectation of privacy in a public venue.
What is more public than a sidewalk?
These really are police state tactics.
Bet ya the outrage would be much greater in St. Paul.

417 ladycatnip  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:59:46pm

#392 pre-boomer Marine brat

Not trusting ABC, I wanna see how this plays out. That said, it looks like deep doo doo for someone.

It'll play out in one of two ways - either the msm will get their heads out of their behinds, or they'll continue to go blindly along with the totalitarian tactics of the left.

418 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 1:59:46pm
419 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:00:08pm

re: #356 Cognito

You know, I went back and read the original material, and you're right.
This will be a highly effective advertisement for McCain. Effective, for sure. But I'm not so sure about honest.

Obam said:
"Iran, Cuba, Venezuela — these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us."

This demonstrates BO's ignorance of the existential threat posed by a nuclear death-worshipping rogue state like Iran will soon be unless they are stopped. So WTF are you carping about?

420 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:00:20pm

re: #295 buzzsawmonkey

He's in his forties. That means he was in his mid-teens during the hostage crisis, being mentored by a communist, child-molesting poet.

He has no clue.

The Big ZERO is roughly the same age as I am. And I remember the Fall of Saigon and the Boat People.

Of course I was paying attention.

421 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:00:27pm

re: #387 Kenneth

Obama went on to say that if Iran tried anything, they would lose in a confrontation with the US. And that's the whole problem with his perception: the fact is the mullahs are killing Americans right now and have been for several years!


Indeed Obama doesn't seem to understand the nature of asymmetrical warfare in general.

OF COURSE "Death to America" Iran isn't going to go toe-to-toe against the USA in so-called "conventional warfare"; they'd be creamed.

So instead Iran sponsors attacks on soft targets globally via their wholly-owned subsidiary Hizb'Allah, and attacks against American soldiers within Iraq.

The point is, the latter are every bit acts of war against the USA as opening fire on American ships at sea would be.

Or taking British soldiers hostage.

422 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:00:32pm

From the ABC News link:

Video taken at the scene shows a man, wearing the uniform of a Boulder County sheriff, ordering Eslocker off the sidewalk in front of the hotel, to the side of the entrance.

The sheriff's officer is seen telling Eslocker the sidewalk is owned by the hotel. Later he is seen pushing Eslocker off the sidewalk into oncoming traffic, forcing him to the other side of the street.

About 15 minutes later, on-duty Denver police arrived and placed Eslocker under arrest after Eslocker asked why he was being ordered away from the front of the hotel. Dozens of pedestrians can be seen walking by the hotel, located in the heart of downtown Denver.

Eslocker and his ABC News colleagues are spending the week investigating the role of corporate lobbyists and wealthy donors at the convention for a series of Money Trail reports on ABC World News with Charles Gibson.

The hotel owns the sidewalk? Puh-leeze.

423 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:00:45pm
424 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:00:50pm

re: #414 wrenchwench

I don't think you have made your case.

Here's the complete quote and I rest my case:

"Strong countries and strong Presidents talk to their adversaries. That's what Kennedy did with Khrushchev. That's what Reagan did with Gorbachev. That's what Nixon did with Mao. I mean, think about it: Iran, Cuba, Venezuela -- these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying, 'We're going to wipe you off the planet.' And ultimately, that direct engagement led to a series of measures that helped prevent nuclear war and over time allowed the kind of opening that brought down the Berlin Wall."

425 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:01:25pm

re: #362 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Did you mean that to sound as dirty as it does?

Whut?

426 ladycatnip  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:01:30pm

#403 doppleganglander

Fox News says The One's plane is about to arrive in Denver. I'm surprised he needed a plane.

Belly laugh of the day. *and still laughing*

427 cliffster  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:02:18pm

re: #398 Cognito

Holy CRAP.

This is becoming a real trend. A frightening trend.

Obama's not out to destroy the Second Amendment. He's out to destroy the FIRST.

Well, the more you whittle away at the second ammendment, the easier it is to whack the first.

428 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:02:21pm

Time to say goodnight & have a pleasant tomorrow.

429 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:02:23pm

re: #415 Son of the Black Dog

Yeah, but you probably weren't stoned out of your gourd most of the time.

I think I'd better not answer that question. ;) But my family did subscribe to four newspapers as well as Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News and World Report. That was back when those publications contained actual facts, of course.

430 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:03:24pm
431 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:03:54pm
432 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:04:52pm

re: #356 Cognito

"Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us,” Obama said.

So the threat of a nuclear Iran is not serious?

433 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:05:28pm

re: #401 Ms. Missive

I totally agree with you. 100%.

But does any[one] care anymore with the way words get twisted to the point of being totally off their original intention?


The McCain ad was a reductionist soundbite, sure, but it wasn't taken out of context.

Obama dismissed Iran as a insignificant threat, using the word "tiny". The McCain ad called him on it.

I don't see how Obama's words were "twisted". Here are his whole remarks in context, as well as McCain's response at that time (in context):

Obama: "Iran, Cuba, Venezuela? These countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose any serious threat to us,"

McCain: "Obviously, Iran isn't a superpower, doesn't possess the military power the Soviet Union had. But that does not mean, by any stretch of the imagination that the threat posed by Iran is insignificant. On the contrary, right now Iran provides some of the deadliest explosive devices used in Iraq to kill our soldiers.

434 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:05:46pm

re: #424 Ms. Missive

Here's the complete quote and I rest my case:

"Strong countries and strong Presidents talk to their adversaries. That's what Kennedy did with Khrushchev. That's what Reagan did with Gorbachev. That's what Nixon did with Mao. I mean, think about it: Iran, Cuba, Venezuela -- these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying, 'We're going to wipe you off the planet.' And ultimately, that direct engagement led to a series of measures that helped prevent nuclear war and over time allowed the kind of opening that brought down the Berlin Wall."

There is a problem with that though. Kennedy did NOT sit down and have a nice chat with Krushchev. Regan did not negotiate with Gorbachev - he said "Mr. Gorbachev, take down this wall!" from the West German side of the wall. In neither case was there direct engagement.

435 Maine's Michael  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:06:20pm

Obama is going to get pummeled so badly in the months ahead, it will be another 200 years before a liberal politician with no experience, no track record, and nasty, nasty friends ascends to head the Democratic Party again.

I almost feel sorry for him, but then I remember what an arrogant piece of shit he is, while his half brother whiles away his life in a mud hut.

436 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:06:32pm

re: #432 Killgore Trout

So the threat of a nuclear Iran is not serious?

or of them materially supplying a regime whose existence is "Push Israel into the sea"

437 alegrias  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:06:38pm

re: #401 Ms. Missive

I totally agree with you. 100%.

But does any care anymore with the way words get twisted to the point of being totally off their original intention?

* * *
Words? Just words?

I get his original drift--"I will meet Ahmedinejad with NO PRECONDITIONS."

Word!

438 cygnus  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:06:49pm

re: #375 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You can buy the shirt here!

There was another one that said 'Put a Hola in the Ayatollah'.

439 SouthAmericanWay  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:08:07pm

re: #15 HelloDare

"Tiny."

Everybody knows that this is a thinly veiled attack on Obama's manhood. Just another disgusting attack by the racists conservatives. /

What is Bob Herbert going to say!?!?!?

440 cygnus  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:08:26pm

re: #403 doppelganglander

Fox News says The One's plane is about to arrive in Denver. I'm surprised he needed a plane.

He left his broom at home.

441 Adina in Judea  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:08:48pm

Oh goodness - please take a look at what someone just sent me.

It's Barry's new national anthem (or it should be):

O Hail Obama

442 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:09:38pm

Nice.

443 cygnus  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:10:02pm

re: #426 ladycatnip

#403 doppleganglander

Belly laugh of the day. *and still laughing*

I was just wondering if they have a red carpet big enough to cover the entire runway.

444 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:10:08pm

re: #424 Ms. Missive

He forgot to mention that the meeting Kennedy had with Khruschev in Vienna signaled to the Soviets a weakness by the POTUS which resulted in the Cuban Missle Crisis. We came very close to the brink then and fortunately cool heads on both sides prevailed. Not likely to end that way with religious fanatics ruling Iran.

445 runrabbitrun  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:11:34pm

re: #416 opnion

It is not. The law is vague on some things , but not something like this. You have no expectation of privacy in a public venue.
What is more public than a sidewalk?
These really are police state tactics.

This is the kind of action I'm most concerned about in an Obama administration.... a new police state taking away your constitutional rights, and the courts made far more powerful so that such top-down enforcement can succeed. All attempts by the leftists to make it more and more impossible to fight back.

446 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:11:35pm

re: #440 cygnus

He left his broom at home.

Yet He swept them off their feet.

447 annar  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:13:07pm

re: #179 galloping granny

How fast can we say "rigged election" - Selected, not Elected! This will only make Hillary supporters even more sure that their gal is being railroaded.

What's the problem? These Hillary supporters all support the big labor 'no secret ballot' union recognition proposal which is just about as fair.

448 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:13:26pm

Iran is a tiny threat, insignificant.

But ABC reporters taking pictures on a public sidewalk, not THAT'S a danger.

Arrest them!

/

449 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:13:41pm

re: #424 Ms. Missive

Here's the complete quote and I rest my case:

"Strong countries and strong Presidents talk to their adversaries. That's what Kennedy did with Khrushchev. That's what Reagan did with Gorbachev. That's what Nixon did with Mao. I mean, think about it: Iran, Cuba, Venezuela -- these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying, 'We're going to wipe you off the planet.' And ultimately, that direct engagement led to a series of measures that helped prevent nuclear war and over time allowed the kind of opening that brought down the Berlin Wall."


The full quote doesn't exonerate Obama, it further indicts him.

Obama didn't seem to realize that the Kennedy-Krushchev meeting was an utter fiasco that didn't prevent a nuclear war, but nearly started one.

Of course Iran doesn't pose the same sort of threat to the USA that the former Soviet Union did, but who the heck ever said it did?

In this post 9-11 era, Obama not grasping the significance of nuclear weapons falling into in the hands of rogue states is damning, and IMO absolutely fair game for criticism by McCain, not to mention arming Iraqi resistance and likely DIRECTLY killing American soldiers.

450 ladycatnip  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:14:10pm

#441 Adina in Judea

Loved it!

451 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:15:04pm

re: #449 looking closely

The full quote doesn't exonerate Obama, it further indicts him.

Obama didn't seem to realize that the Kennedy-Krushchev meeting was an utter fiasco that didn't prevent a nuclear war, but nearly started one.

Of course Iran doesn't pose the same sort of threat to the USA that the former Soviet Union did, but who the heck ever said it did?

In this post 9-11 era, Obama not grasping the significance of nuclear weapons falling into in the hands of rogue states is damning, and IMO absolutely fair game for criticism by McCain, not to mention arming Iraqi resistance and likely DIRECTLY killing American soldiers.

You got it, Pontiac!

452 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:15:23pm

re: #434 galloping granny

There is a problem with that though. Kennedy did NOT sit down and have a nice chat with Krushchev. Regan did not negotiate with Gorbachev - he said "Mr. Gorbachev, take down this wall!" from the West German side of the wall. In neither case was there direct engagement.

They had a chat, though it wasn't particularly "nice":


"I never met a man like this," Kennedy subsequently commented to Time's Hugh Sidey. "[I] talked about how a nuclear exchange would kill 70 million people in ten minutes, and he just looked at me as if to say 'So what?'" In The Fifty-Year Wound, Cold War historian Derek Leebaert drily observes of Khrushchev in Vienna, "Having worked for Stalin had its uses."

Kennedy sought a brief final session with Khrushchev to clear the air regarding Berlin. In that final meeting at the Soviet embassy, however, Khrushchev bluntly told Kennedy, "It is up to the U.S. to decide whether there will be war or peace." Kennedy responded, "Then, Mr. Chairman, there will be war. It will be a cold winter." On this unhappy note the two leaders' only face-to-face meeting came to an end.

Immediately following the final session on June 4 Kennedy sat for a previously scheduled interview with New York Times columnist James Reston at the American embassy. Kennedy was reeling from his meetings with Khrushchev, famously describing the meetings as the "roughest thing in my life." Reston reported that Kennedy said just enough for Reston to conclude that Khrushchev "had studied the events of the Bay of Pigs" and that he had "decided that he was dealing with an inexperienced young leader who could be intimidated and blackmailed." Kennedy said to Reston that Khrushchev had "just beat [the] hell out of me" and that he had presented Kennedy with a terrible problem: "If he thinks I'm inexperienced and have no
guts, until we remove those ideas we won't get anywhere with him. So we have to act."

453 MAV  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:15:41pm

Meet my hairy friend, see my AV

454 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:16:38pm

re: #398 Cognito

Holy CRAP.

This is becoming a real trend. A frightening trend.

Obama's not out to destroy the Second Amendment. He's out to destroy the FIRST.

They are refusing to comply with the terms under which the Federal Government was established.

Time to take the ball and go home.

455 Twilight  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:16:57pm

re: #15 HelloDarere: #15 HelloDare

"Tiny."

Everybody knows that this is a thinly veiled attack on Obama's manhood. Just another disgusting attack by the racists conservatives. /

Why do you think it's veiled?
Or an attack?

McCain is just stating a fact - Obama has no b@lls to deal with real threats. And since he ain't gonna grow a pair before the election he's... you know the rest.

456 Britt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:17:05pm

Funny, the comment "wants to destroy Israel" is based off of the incorrect translation that Hannity keeps spewing "He wants to WIPE ISRAEL OFF OF THE MAP" when in fact, he never said that.

457 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:17:34pm

re: #447 annar

What's the problem? These Hillary supporters all support the big labor 'no secret ballot' union recognition proposal which is just about as fair.

I am not so sure that they do. In fact, I think there are probably more than a few "democrats" who do not realize that their party has been hijacked in a huge way.

458 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:18:22pm

re: #424 Ms. Missive
JustMyView posted that at #69. It doesn't make your case either. It isn't all about the word "tiny." The next sentence, "They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us" is also excerpted in McCain's ad, and it is relevant to the point of Obama being dangerously unprepared to be president. Adding the phrase "the way the Soviet Union posed a threat" does not mitigate Obama's minimizing of the threat of Iran.

459 Outrider  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:20:30pm

re: #389 galloping granny

Since WHEN is this illegal? Even in Denver?



The sheriff's officer is seen telling Eslocker the sidewalk is owned by the hotel. Later he is seen pushing Eslocker off the sidewalk into oncoming traffic, forcing him to the other side of the street.


Really? There is no public right of way?

460 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:20:33pm

re: #440 cygnus

He left his broom at home.

Now, now, now, we must not insult our Wiccan sisters by comparing them to The Big ZERO.

461 looking closely  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:21:00pm

re: #456 Britt

Funny, the comment "wants to destroy Israel" is based off of the incorrect translation that Hannity keeps spewing "He wants to WIPE ISRAEL OFF OF THE MAP" when in fact, he never said that.

Wrong. The Iranians have said exactly that, and a series of substantially similar things over the years:

[Link: www.slate.com...]

462 Maine's Michael  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:22:16pm

Iran threatening to destroy Israel and Obama calls it a 'tiny threat'?

Perfect.

Obama's our man!

/98% of the Left

463 Adina in Judea  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:22:53pm

re: #456 Britt

Funny, the comment "wants to destroy Israel" is based off of the incorrect translation that Hannity keeps spewing "He wants to WIPE ISRAEL OFF OF THE MAP" when in fact, he never said that.

He says on a regular basis that Israel is about to die. This is no mistranslation. He often goes on to explain what should happen after Israel's death.

464 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:25:29pm

re: #406 Cognito

The ABC reporter arrested may be the biggest, most symbolic news of the day, from the Convention.

(No, it's not really just about ABC.)

A thread, Charles?

The reporter was "investigating the role of lobbyists and top donors at the convention".


Asa Eslocker Was Investigating the Role of Lobbyists and Top Donors at the Convention
DENVER--Police in Denver arrested an ABC News producer today as he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and VIP donors leaving a private meeting at the Brown Palace Hotel.
465 yochanan  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:26:04pm

re: #345 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*rimshot*
GIVE THAT MAN A CIGAR!

aromaic?

466 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:26:38pm

re: #456 Britt

Funny, the comment "wants to destroy Israel" is based off of the incorrect translation that Hannity keeps spewing "He wants to WIPE ISRAEL OFF OF THE MAP" when in fact, he never said that.

the "wants to destroy Israel" comes from 'push Israel into the sea" stated by Fatah, Hamas and Hizbola, all backed bt Iran

467 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:29:25pm

re: #341 Outrider

Jimmy Carter botched it, big time. And that's his legacy.

468 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:32:01pm

re: #453 MAV

Meet my hairy friend, see my AV

What's her name?

/naive

469 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:32:08pm

re: #456 Britt

Funny, the comment "wants to destroy Israel" is based off of the incorrect translation that Hannity keeps spewing "He wants to WIPE ISRAEL OFF OF THE MAP" when in fact, he never said that.

That is not an incorrect translation and he has said it many more than one time.

470 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:35:30pm

re: #465 yochanan

aromaic?

Of course.
And it's been stored in a ... humidor.

471 politicalinsomniac  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:36:23pm

tiny country + nukes + oil = dangerous country

472 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:36:52pm
473 LEGION  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:40:08pm

Hold me closer Tiny Dancer.

474 LEGION  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:40:42pm

Obama bin Biden- seamstress for the band.

475 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:43:01pm

re: #472 buzzsawmonkey

Whenever one humidor closes, another humidor opens.

LOL!
So it did seem back then.

476 The Termlimator  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:47:25pm

Give 'em hell John!

477 code red 21  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:49:38pm

Tiny country........tiny brain on BO's part

478 wiffersnapper  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:50:25pm

Great ad again.
Tiny: Like the approval ratings of congress.

479 JustMyView  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:57:06pm

re: #398 Cognito

Holy CRAP.

This is becoming a real trend. A frightening trend.

Obama's not out to destroy the Second Amendment. He's out to destroy the FIRST.

Is there any evidence that Obama or his campaign had anything to do w/ this arrest? The news story seemed to say that it was the hotel that called the cops.

480 mattm  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 3:12:10pm

Ouch.

481 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 3:20:41pm

re: #456 Britt

Funny, the comment "wants to destroy Israel" is based off of the incorrect translation that Hannity keeps spewing "He wants to WIPE ISRAEL OFF OF THE MAP" when in fact, he never said that.

How long has registration been open, anyway? You watching, Stinky?

482 vagabond trader  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 3:34:59pm

McCain needs to keep hammering at the Obama, every single day, more than once, plenty of material.The Obamian head will splode. Dude cannot take any kind of heat,nope.

483 UberInfidel67  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 3:45:53pm

Please join the Obama family and the Biden family at an event in Beaver, PA, where they will talk about their vision for bringing America together and creating the kind of change we can believe in.


An Evening on the Road to Change
with the Obamas and the Bidens

Irvine Park
3rd Street and Insurance Street
Beaver, PA

Friday, August 29th
Gates Open: 6:00 p.m.
Program Begins: 7:30 p.m.

THIS IS HAPPENING TWO TOWNS AWAY FROM ME. I FEEL SICK. I MAY GO AND CHECK IT OUT THOUGH. WILL POST PICTURES IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED.

484 barry the baptist  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 3:52:20pm

Yowsah!

Terrorism? Is there such a thing? Golly! I had no idea!

485 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 3:53:02pm

This BHO joker in power, will likely get people killed via naievete.

486 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 3:54:32pm

re: #483 UberInfidel67

"creating the kind of change we can believe in."

What a pissy, small and non-specific enterprise.

487 BarackObama  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 3:55:40pm

Go, Johnny, Go!

488 pegcity  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 4:18:55pm

re: #456 Britt

Funny, the comment "wants to destroy Israel" is based off of the incorrect translation that Hannity keeps spewing "He wants to WIPE ISRAEL OFF OF THE MAP" when in fact, he never said that.

when did Juan Cole join LGF?

489 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 4:36:12pm

re: #481 wrenchwench

Where is Killgore? He could go dumpster diving at Kos, to see if 'Britt' posts there.

Killgore is a hero! He doesn't even wear a hazmat suit when he looks for the trolls. ;)

490 jcobble  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 5:15:09pm

McCain is using military tactics on the intelligence level, these ads are "inside Obama team's decision cycle," to fast for the enemy to respond.

491 Norwood Matt  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 6:01:09pm

re: #490 jcobble

Nice reference to Boyd's OODA loop.

I was pondering something similar:

"If your enemey is choleric, irritate him."

Sun Tzu

492 ugetwhatuputout  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 6:52:45pm

My favorite is still Amadinnerjacket.

493 Biff  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 7:32:44pm

re: #18 sngnsgt

How is Barry going to accuse McCain of "playing the race card" on that one?

Oh, I don't know, isn't arab a race, kinda?

494 ZardozZ  Wed, Aug 27, 2008 10:21:48pm

re: #484 barry the baptist

Yowsah!

Terrorism? Is there such a thing? Golly! I had no idea!

Silly haven't you heard? George Bush created terrorism to scare us into voting for him! 9/11 didn't happen. Just like no one from the U.S. really landed on the moon. The government is out to enslave us.... but hey, put a democrat in the White House and the world will be saved while you watch the government control, taxes and regulations grow. An oxymoron for sure of this highest order. But the democrat lemmings are too stupid to figure this contradiction out. They want their first black President, even if he has less understanding of world politics than daffy duck. In fact they would have voted for Daffy duck based on the color of his feathers.

495 lurking faith  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 11:55:05am

re: #424 Ms. Missive

What the ad points out is the complete idiocy (and potential danger) of equating the level of threat posed by a country with its size relative to us. The complete quote as you post it demonstrates quite clearly that Sen. Obama does NOT understand that a country smaller than us CAN pose a very serious threat.

It also shows that he does not understand what forced the USSR to permit many of its satellite states to regain freedom. (He thinks it was the dialogue! ROTFLMAO)

496 lurking faith  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 11:58:06am

re: #455 Twilight

Methinks you missed the sarc tag (/) on the post you replied to.

497 lurking faith  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 12:12:20pm

re: #479 JustMyView

Is there any evidence that Obama or his campaign had anything to do w/ this arrest? The news story seemed to say that it was the hotel that called the cops.

Here's another quote from the news story:

It was two hours later when Denver police arrived to place Eslocker under arrest, apparently based on a complaint from the Brown Palace Hotel, a central location for Democratic officials.

Hotels serve their customers. If their Dem bigwigs want the journalists cleared off the sidewalk, the hotel will try to get it done. It is not very likely that the hotel would have called the police had its customers (i.e., Democrat officials) not raised a stink and demanded it.

498 Britt  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 3:08:26pm

Look, no need to call names, I am only pointing out this due to the fact that Hannity is discrediting himself with a false translation. No defense of Iran here.....just a person who cares about accuracy in reporting.

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".


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