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Obama Campaign Trying to Silence Discussion of William Ayers

Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 8:35:48 am PDT

The Obama campaign is asking supporters to bombard Chicago radio station WGN-AM with complaints, because they interviewed writer Stanley Kurtz about Obama’s many documented, factual connections to Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers: Obama campaign confronts WGN radio.

DENVER — Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign organized its supporters Wednesday night to confront Tribune-owned WGN-AM in Chicago for having a critic of the Illinois Democrat on its air.

“WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears,” Obama’s campaign wrote in an e-mail to supporters. “He’s currently scheduled to spend a solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies, distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois professor William Ayers.”

Kurtz, a conservative writer, recently wrote an article for the National Review that looked at Obama’s ties to Ayers, a former 1960s radical who later emerged as a school reform advocate in Chicago.

The magazine had been blocked in its initial attempts to obtain records from the University of Illinois at Chicago regarding a school reform initiative called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded. Obama critics were quick to suggest that political clout could be involved in seeking to protect Obama from embarrassment. The school later reversed its position and made the records available Tuesday.

On Wednesday evening, Obama’s campaign urged supporters to call the radio station to complain. “Tell WGN that by providing Kurtz with airtime, they are legitimizing baseless attacks from a smear-merchant and lowering the standards of political discourse,” the note said.

“It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves,” the note continued. “At the very least, they should offer sane, honest rebuttal to every one of Kurtz’s lies.”

Also see:
Confederate Yankee: Do Not Blaspheme, Non-Believers
A Blog For All: The Chicago Annenberg Challenge Story Wont Die

UPDATE at 8/28/08 8:53:08 am:

Obama’s Friend, America’s Enemy.

Have you ever been a friend or business associate of a terrorist? Not someone who, to your shock and horror, turned out secretly to have bombed government buildings. No, the question is whether you’ve ever befriended an unreconstructed radical whose past was well known to you when you entered his orbit and walked through doors he opened for you. Have you been chummy with an unapologetic terrorist who, years after you’d known and worked closely with him, was still telling the New York Times he regretted only failing to carry out more attacks — and that America still “makes me want to puke”?

Barack Obama has.

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1 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:36:54am

Free speech for me but none for thee.

2 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:37:06am

And if Obama gets elected, they'll write this into law.

3 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:37:21am

Obama is the Happy Fun Ball. You cannot taunt the happy fun ball. Do not play with the Happy Fun Ball.

Happy Fun Ball is not meant for anyone with an IQ over 60.

4 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:37:44am

Totalitarian bastards.

5 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:38:05am
“It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves,”


Unacceptable use of thier personal airwaves? That's a bit presumptive.

6 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:38:20am

This is the reason that the Ayers story will not die. Obama is taken to fighting this tooth and nail and instead of refuting the claims, is smearing those who are actually engaging in journalism and trying to find out the facts about the CAC.

7 Sizzlack  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:38:21am

well duh...if you speak ill of the Messiah they will burn you at the stake. He can do NO wrong don't you see!

8 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:38:22am
a slimy character assassin

They have never looked up the word "irony," have they?

9 SpartanWoman  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:38:24am

Crushing free speech= fairness doctrine. In an Obama presidency these guys would be hauled into court

10 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:38:40am

Self-righteousness carried to its extreme

11 Peacekeeper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:39:34am

FOUR LEGS GOOD! TWO LEGS BETTER!

12 eric  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:39:51am

Methinks the Messiah doth protest too much

13 Sizzlack  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:39:56am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Unacceptable use of thier personal airwaves? That's a bit presumptive.

Just another example of why they want the "fairness doctrine" so much. The term "fairness doctrine" literally makes my skin crawl. But hey so do Democrats so it makes sense they are for it.

14 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:40:09am

In the vein of this topic, a revisited idea:

Charles, I do hope that at some point today you might consider a post about the ABC reporter arrested for taking photos on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and their donors.

It's bigger than one reporter. It's indicative of a trend -- a threat -- emerging in the Obama mentality. Same goes for his attempt to use the DoJ to suppress the Ayers advertisment. Same goes for him tossing the New Yorker writer off the campaign trail, following the (ironically) unflattering cover. And so forth.

It's a big deal, I believe. Perhaps the biggest of the moment.

15 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:40:27am

re: #6 lawhawk

Yup, the more he complains the more attention he draws to the story. Exposing the Ayers relationship is one of the few things that really seems to bother him.

16 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:40:45am

“It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves,” the note continued. “At the very least, they should offer sane, honest rebuttal to every one of Kurtz’s lies.”

According to one article I read, the Obama campaign was invited to send someone on the show to offer a rebuttal, but they declined.

Because, you know, they couldn't rebutt the truth. All they can do is try to stop the signal.

17 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:40:53am

Why not just boycott?

18 Sizzlack  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:40:56am

re: #1 Sharmuta

Free speech for me but none for thee.

Fuhrer Obama?

19 Vergeltung  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:41:18am

come on guys, you know the facts don't matter. let's not rock the boat. on to the Obamacropolis!

20 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:41:35am

And the logical extension of this "fairness" doctrine stuff is mind control by some elite:

The Prescription:

Rx

For every thought in your head, think one opposite thought.

Might as well not have a brain at all.

I suppose that is what all elites want of their non-members.

Shudder.

21 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:41:58am

Quote from the article:
“WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears,” Obama’s campaign wrote in an e-mail to supporters. “He’s currently scheduled to spend a solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies, distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois professor William Ayers.”

That is just pure PRAVDA-speak, reminiscent of the darkest days of the Soviet Union.

It is beyond belief that modern American 'Democrats' actually use such language without the slightest idea how this illuminates their mindset.

Folks, ye're not in power yet - and hopefully never will be!

22 Peacekeeper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:42:09am

By their fruits ye shall know them.

23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:42:21am

I'm sure WGN would be more than willing to grant equal time to Obama to come on the air and explain why these are lies and smears.

Unless Obama has something to hide that it.

24 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:42:26am

re: #14 Cognito

In the vein of this topic, a revisited idea:

Charles, I do hope that at some point today you might consider a post about the ABC reporter arrested for taking photos on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and their donors.

It's bigger than one reporter. It's indicative of a trend -- a threat -- emerging in the Obama mentality. Same goes for his attempt to use the DoJ to suppress the Ayers advertisment. Same goes for him tossing the New Yorker writer off the campaign trail, following the (ironically) unflattering cover. And so forth.

It's a big deal, I believe. Perhaps the biggest of the moment.

Brown Palace OWNS that bit of sidewalk?

25 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:42:36am

You know you're over the target...

26 Phocid  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:00am

Summon the giant Amy Goodman puppet to put a stop to those terrorist lies!

27 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:01am

re: #14 Cognito


Have you figured out the reason for the arrest yet? I assume there was somebody there that the Dems didn't want caught on film. Any ideas?

28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:10am

re: #16 JamesTKirk

“It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves,” the note continued. “At the very least, they should offer sane, honest rebuttal to every one of Kurtz’s lies.”

According to one article I read, the Obama campaign was invited to send someone on the show to offer a rebuttal, but they declined.

Because, you know, they couldn't rebutt the truth. All they can do is try to stop the signal.

Except you can't stop the signal.

29 Sizzlack  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:10am

re: #20 Ojoe


For every thought in your head, think one opposite thought.

I thought it was 'For every thought in your head, stop thinking, and vote Obama in 2008!'.

30 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:16am

And once again Obama's inexperience in actually having to FIGHT to win election to office shows itself.
Now, about ten times as many folks are gonna listen to that broadcast.
And this mofo could wind up as POTUS.
Excuse me, I'm gonna go be sick.

31 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:31am

re: #22 Peacekeeper

By their fruits ye shall know them.


ye shall know them as fruits...Hoopster 3:15

32 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:40am

Good to see he is progressively assaulting free speech in the grand socialist tradition... if Obamassieh had a case for slander/libel he'd his handlers would file slander/libel lawsuits instead of trying to browbeat political opposition into silence by attacking the stations/networks to deny them airtime...

33 POTUS  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:41am

Their campaign sure is acting like they've got something to be concerned about. I'm interested in hearing what comes out of it in a few days.

34 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:51am
“He’s currently scheduled to spend a solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies, distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois professor William Ayers.”

You do realize that he is still defending and supporting Ayers.

35 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:54am

re: #14 Cognito

In the vein of this topic, a revisited idea:

Charles, I do hope that at some point today you might consider a post about the ABC reporter arrested for taking photos on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and their donors.

It's bigger than one reporter. It's indicative of a trend -- a threat -- emerging in the Obama mentality. Same goes for his attempt to use the DoJ to suppress the Ayers advertisment. Same goes for him tossing the New Yorker writer off the campaign trail, following the (ironically) unflattering cover. And so forth.

It's a big deal, I believe. Perhaps the biggest of the moment.

Video taken at the scene shows a man, wearing the uniform of a Boulder County sheriff, ordering Eslocker off the sidewalk in front of the hotel, to the side of the entrance.

The sheriff's officer is seen telling Eslocker the sidewalk is owned by the hotel. Later, he is seen pushing Eslocker off the sidewalk into oncoming traffic, forcing him to the other side of the street.

It was two hours later when Denver police arrived to place Eslocker under arrest, apparently based on a complaint from the Brown Palace Hotel, a central location for Democratic officials.

During the arrest, one of the officers can be heard saying to Eslocker, "You're lucky I didn't knock the f..k out of you."

36 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:43:55am

re: #14 Cognito

In the vein of this topic, a revisited idea:

Charles, I do hope that at some point today you might consider a post about the ABC reporter arrested for taking photos on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and their donors.

It's bigger than one reporter. It's indicative of a trend -- a threat -- emerging in the Obama mentality. Same goes for his attempt to use the DoJ to suppress the Ayers advertisment. Same goes for him tossing the New Yorker writer off the campaign trail, following the (ironically) unflattering cover. And so forth.

It's a big deal, I believe. Perhaps the biggest of the moment.

It's not only in Denver though. A videographer was accosted by police in Minneapolis as well and they engaged in search and seizure of video and computer equipment.

I don't think it's Obama mentality per se, but a hyperactive sensitivity on Homeland Security.

37 David Simon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:44:01am
“It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves,” the note continued. “At the very least, they should offer sane, honest rebuttal to every one of Kurtz’s lies.”

Will he accuse the University of Illinois of the same thing when it releases the CAC records?

38 alegrias  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:44:19am

Speaking of muzzling!

Last night democrats couldn't bring themselves to mention another terrorist, Osama bin Laden, who bombed the Pentagon.

Osama like William Ayers got a free pass for 8 years during Pres. Bill Clinton's presidency.

But don't mention it or you're being mean & divisive.

39 Peacekeeper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:44:23am

re: #31 HoosierHoops

works for me!

40 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:44:25am

Marxism as usual.

41 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:45:10am

"WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears"

Wow. This sounds like it was drafted in Pyongyang. Incredible.

42 Peacekeeper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:45:21am

FAIRNESS DOCTRINE!

43 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:45:21am

This is much bigger than just WGN. This is about the reporter that was arrested for taking pictures on a public sidewalk in Denver. This is about the attempts by the Obama campaign to intimidate the stations running an ad critical of him and their further attempts to file a criminal complaint with the Justice Department over that ad.

The tactics that the Obama campaign has resorted to regarding freedom of the press have descended to the strong arm tactics of the Nazis and Stalin. They have no place in America or in American politics.

44 Iron Fist  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:45:42am

re: #14 Cognito

It is certainly indicative as to what Obama feels is really free speech, and what they role of Government in policing it should be. It's rather totalitarian in practice.

45 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:45:49am

I believe we're seeing a frightening pattern emerge. Obama does not suppress information that is libelous, slanderous or even -- and this would itself be a violation of the First Amendment -- just plain wrong.

No.

He suppresses the blasphemous.

46 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:45:52am

re: #36 lawhawk

It's not only in Denver though. A videographer was accosted by police in Minneapolis as well and they engaged in search and seizure of video and computer equipment.

I don't think it's Obama mentality per se, but a hyperactive sensitivity on Homeland Security.

This was done at the behest of the hotel, and I guarantee you a DNC big-wig
was behind it.

47 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:46:14am

re: #14 Cognito

In the vein of this topic, a revisited idea:

Charles, I do hope that at some point today you might consider a post about the ABC reporter arrested for taking photos on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and their donors.

It's bigger than one reporter. It's indicative of a trend -- a threat -- emerging in the Obama mentality. Same goes for his attempt to use the DoJ to suppress the Ayers advertisment. Same goes for him tossing the New Yorker writer off the campaign trail, following the (ironically) unflattering cover. And so forth.

It's a big deal, I believe. Perhaps the biggest of the moment.

The cops will have to prove it was a private sidewalk.

48 laZardo  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:46:17am

Is anybody else thinking Tariq Ramadan about now?

49 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:46:31am

Dark doings at the Brown House.

50 alegrias  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:46:35am

re: #30 realwest

And once again Obama's inexperience in actually having to FIGHT to win election to office shows itself.
Now, about ten times as many folks are gonna listen to that broadcast.
And this mofo could wind up as POTUS.
Excuse me, I'm gonna go be sick.

* * *
Hello Realwest, nice to see you're up & about today!

Keep the faith, sir!

51 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:46:38am
52 Peacekeeper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:46:40am

re: #44 Iron Fist

It is certainly indicative as to what Obama feels is really free speech, and what they role of Government in policing it should be. It's rather totalitarian in practice.

YES!

53 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:47:02am

Ya know, for a guy who's pretending to barely know Ayers, Obama is sure putting up a fight over these allegations - all of the one's I've read are in fact true.
Ayers did express -LAST YEAR - that he wished they'd done more bombings.
Ayers THIS year hosted a fundraiser for Obama at Ayers' Chicago Mansion (and that is what it is: a Mansion) and raised $2.9 million buckos.
And of course Ayers did that "barely knowing" Obama.

54 maddogg  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:47:05am

Flack is intense........Bombs away!

55 daledog  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:47:39am

An easy solution: WGN can grant Ayers two hours of air-time with the same radio host (Jerry Agar, by the way). Let Ayers refute the smears with logic and facts. Hah!

56 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:47:40am

re: #37 David Simon

Will he accuse the University of Illinois of the same thing when it releases the CAC records?

They're already releasing them - right, Lawhawk?

57 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:47:43am

Spike Lee: "You can divide history. BB Before Barack. AB After Barack."

I hope Spike "Bush blew up the levees" Lee gets out of upper east side apartment more often and keeps making appearences for Baruch.

58 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:47:57am

re: #18 Sizzlack

Fuhrer Obama?

Barrak Hussein Uber Alles, uber alles en der weld. . . .
[Link: ingeb.org...]

59 Peacekeeper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:09am

Be ironic if the Obama campaign is the next thing Bill Ayers Blows up...

60 jester6  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:10am

re: #9 SpartanWoman

Crushing free speech= fairness doctrine. In an Obama presidency these guys would be hauled into court

I think they would try. But I don't know if SCOTUS would go along with it. Regulation of terrestrial broadcast TV and Radio was based on the idea that radio spectrum was limited. That is why they could never regulate cable or newsprint content because it has theoretically unlimited bandwidth. Satellite is broadcast is also considered unlimited bandwidth and content regulations are per se unconstitutional.

If they try to put the fairness doctrine back into play I think it is even money SCOTUS will come back and say given new technology, new media and the like that the "limited spectrum" argument is no longer strong enough to overcome constitutional restrictions on prior restraint.

The Fairness Doctrine might end up being used like DCs Gun Ban; a perfect setup for a SCOTUS spike.

61 laZardo  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:16am

re: #53 realwest

Real! Sent you a reply...

62 alegrias  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:23am

re: #41 Occasional Reader

"WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears"

Wow. This sounds like it was drafted in Pyongyang. Incredible.

* * *
This PYongyang treatment is also what they gave Sinclair Broadcasting for trying to show the Swiftboats' side of their story 4 years ago.

63 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:24am

re: #43 galloping granny

Think we'll see the Obamashirts trying to storm the RNC?

64 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:24am

re: #2 Ward Cleaver

And if Obama gets elected, they'll write this into law.

"The Fairness Doctrine" will be resurrected, new officers will be selected for the FCC, and don't be surprised at all if "hate speech" on web sites like this one will make it a target for a shut down, with lists of all the registered being turned over to LE.

The only reason I think this is because the Democrats themselves say that is what they will do.

65 daledog  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:31am

re: #48 laZardo

The parallels are striking.

66 David Simon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:41am

re: #56 Ward Cleaver

They're already releasing them - right, Lawhawk?

Have they given a date? I haven't read anything since this:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

67 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:44am

re: #14 Cognito

Obama and his cohorts are liberal fascists. Let's start calling them exactly what they are. Soviet Communists, Nazis, Italian Fascists, Peronistas, and Wilsonian Progressives all shut down unfavorable commentary in their day and age. The modern Progressives are ateempting to act in a similar fashion by getting the Ayres talk off the air, jailing reporters taking pictures on a public sidewalk, throwing the New Yorker folks under the bus, and attempting to reinstate the "fairness doctrine".

68 Outrider  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:48am

The liberals have been trying to shutdown "talk radio" for years now. This week is a classic example in the treatment of Fox (the only TV station to present the Republican perspective-sometimes)and their employees in Denver.

One flippen radio station (AM no less) in SOME cities out of the entire AM/FM spectrum in this country and the libs/Dems want it off the air. Of course, nothing is said about NPR which is as leftist as it gets. Paid for by our tax dollars.

Of course they are trying to censor the airwaves content. The Internet has got to driving them insane.

69 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:48:55am

Let's try to avoid Hitler/Obama comparisons.

70 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:49:06am

re: #22 Peacekeeper

By their fruits ye shall know them.

Homophobe!
/

71 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:49:12am

re: #60 jester6

I could spout opinions the fairness doctrine could never find the opposite of.

72 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:49:16am

Given what he's doing, this has GOT to be a critical issue in Obama's eyes. Since he knows what the truth of the matter is, I feel it's reasonable to assume he's guilty -- and possibly of more than's been publically surmised so far.

I can be persuaded otherwise by evidence to the contrary. Until then ....

/very deep shit for the Messiah

73 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:49:19am

Yesterday there was a great link from the Manhattan Institute of someone who was a target of one of Ayer's bombs.

74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:49:31am

MSNBC Meltdowns during DNC

Amid a spate of awkward on-air conflicts among MNSBC anchors at this week’s Democratic convention, some staff members say there are sharp internal disputes at the cable network over whether its opinion and personality-driven political coverage has crossed the line.

“The situation at our channel is about to blow up,” a high-ranking MSNBC journalist told Politico on Wednesday.

Two other MSNBC sources said some of the testy on-air exchanges between Keith Olbermann — whose quick-witted and often caustic commentary has fueled ratings growth — and other network personalities were a public glimpse of much more intense behind-the-scenes turmoil.
------
On “Morning Joe” the following day, a clearly agitated Scarborough went off on Shuster during a discussion of Iraq, which quickly devolved over several cringe-worthy minutes into personal attacks, such as Scarborough telling the world how his colleague missed the show three times by oversleeping. "Are you Rip Van Shuster?” Scarborough asked. “Have you been sleeping for the past couple of months?”

But Scarborough, a former Republican congressman from Florida, became enraged when Shuster made a reference to “your party.” Asked by Scarborough what his party was, Shuster said he was an “independent.”

"I feel so comforted by the fact that you're an independent,” Scarborough said, in a mocking tone. “I bet everybody at MSNBC has independent on their voting cards. Oh, we're down the middle now.” (Shuster left the set, but returned later to hug it out, "Entourage"-style.)

That night, Scarborough told NPR that he “get[s] frustrated by people who have an obvious partisan bias that don't proclaim that bias.”

75 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:49:42am

re: #47 Ward Cleaver

The cops will have to prove it was a private sidewalk.

Meanwhile, they prevented him from taking pictures of the bigwigs and lobbyists as they were leaving the hotel, didn't they? I would call that "Mission Accomplished."

76 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:50:00am

Don't leftists always tell us that dissent is the highest form of patriotism?

77 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:50:00am

I'm thinking of Sonny Corleone and the photographers at Connie's wedding...

smashing the camera's outside the corleone estate...

and barzini's guys when he's photographed..rip the camera out of the photogs hands and pull the film out...

the dems are looking alot like the old mafia..lol

78 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:50:01am

re: #69 Ben Hur

Let's try to avoid Hitler/Obama comparisons.

It's walking, talking and looking like a duck.

79 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:50:04am
On Wednesday evening, Obama’s campaign urged supporters to call the radio station to complain. “Tell WGN that by providing Kurtz with airtime, they are legitimizing baseless attacks from a smear-merchant and lowering the standards of political discourse,” the note said.

“It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves,” the note continued. “At the very least, they should offer sane, honest rebuttal to every one of Kurtz’s lies.”

Well, now, wouldn't it behoove the Obama Campaign to make it its job to offer the "sane and honest rebuttal" it is demanding of the radio station?

80 Peacekeeper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:50:04am

The action is in the REaction

81 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:50:20am

re: #59 Peacekeeper
LOL! Great one PK!

82 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:50:26am
83 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:50:57am

How utterly dumd are BO and his staff to go at this story with the biggest sledgehammer they can find?
If its all lies - why not let them be told and bask in the glory of refuting every single one of them?

The way they're doing it makes this look as if there is not just a smoking gun but a whole battery of smoking cannons in that story.
People hopefully will now really start digging - and it hopefully will come out in time for the elections ...

Idiots!

84 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:51:06am

re: #16 JamesTKirk

Perhaps he should file a suit for libel against them. Granted he is a more public personality than I am and libel is a bit harder under those circumstances, but its time for a little pushback against a campaign that is using public intimidation as part of its operation. That might pass for business as usual in Chicago, but not in the balance of America. It would make a nice McCain ad. "What's Obama trying to hide?" as a theme.

85 David Simon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:51:17am

They were supposed to be released Tuesday.

[Link: librarian.lishost.org...]

86 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:51:18am

re: #47 Ward Cleaver

The cops will have to prove it was a private sidewalk.

That's easy. Get a Plat of Survey of the hotel.

87 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:51:27am

re: #78 MandyManners

It's walking, talking and looking like a duck.

Just Poop!

88 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:51:28am

Ayers was a terrorist, not an "activist" or a "community organizer".

89 bosforus  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:51:51am

re: #3 lawhawk

Obama is the Happy Fun Ball. You cannot taunt the happy fun ball. Do not play with the Happy Fun Ball.

Happy Fun Ball is not meant for anyone with an IQ over 60.

Classic SNL.

90 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:51:53am

re: #53 realwest

Ya know, for a guy who's pretending to barely know Ayers, Obama is sure putting up a fight over these allegations - all of the one's I've read are in fact true.
Ayers did express -LAST YEAR - that he wished they'd done more bombings.
Ayers THIS year hosted a fundraiser for Obama at Ayers' Chicago Mansion (and that is what it is: a Mansion) and raised $2.9 million buckos.
And of course Ayers did that "barely knowing" Obama.

Ayers may "hardly know Obama" but his wife Bernadine Dohrn once worked at the same Chicago Sidley etc. law firm that Michelle Obama did, the firm where Obama first met his wife. Michelle surely knows Ayer's wife.

91 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:52:00am

realwest, you're back! Hope you're feeling better today.

On topic: I've been following this one at NRO since last week. This is hands down the most disturbing thing I've seen out of the Obama campaign. Combined with the attempted misuse of the DOJ, it's clear that the Obamahdi Army has no compunction about using totalitarian tactics to silence opposition. Whatever is in those files must be HUGE to provoke these kinds of strong-arm tactics.

92 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:52:03am

re: #83 yma o hyd

How utterly dumd are BO and his staff to go at this story with the biggest sledgehammer they can find?
If its all lies - why not let them be told and bask in the glory of refuting every single one of them?

The way they're doing it makes this look as if there is not just a smoking gun but a whole battery of smoking cannons in that story.
People hopefully will now really start digging - and it hopefully will come out in time for the elections ...

Idiots!

The thing is, they see no problem with their behavior. They think they're normal.

93 Vergeltung  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:52:15am

re: #69 Ben Hur

Let's try to avoid Hitler/Obama comparisons.

yes teacher.

94 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:52:45am

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

The quote that goes through my head every time I hear about the Obama campaign.

95 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:52:46am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I had no idea that "quick-witted" meant "completely insane".

American English usage evolves so quickly.

96 jester6  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:53:04am

re: #20 Ojoe

And the logical extension of this "fairness" doctrine stuff is mind control by some elite:

For every thought in your head, think one opposite thought.

Libs are good at this. How else can they keep so many contradictory ideas in their head.

US Out Of Iraq Now - Stop Genocide In Darfur Now
[this list goes on and on]

97 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:53:07am

BHO/Duck.

98 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:53:09am

re: #67 Honorary Yooper

Obama and his cohorts are liberal fascists. Let's start calling them exactly what they are. Soviet Communists, Nazis, Italian Fascists, Peronistas, and Wilsonian Progressives all shut down unfavorable commentary in their day and age. The modern Progressives are ateempting to act in a similar fashion by getting the Ayres talk off the air, jailing reporters taking pictures on a public sidewalk, throwing the New Yorker folks under the bus, and attempting to reinstate the "fairness doctrine".

This never works, in a democracy. It never, ever works. It only flames the interest.

Quickest way to best-seller status in America is to have your book banned.

99 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:53:15am

Preview of live under the Obama administration.

The FCC will become the Ministry of Truth.

100 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:53:42am

re: #82 buzzsawmonkey

Heart of Darkness, folks. Somebody on Team Obama is just itching to say, "Mistah Kurtz, he dead."

I originally thought of Apocalypse Now as a really demented remake of The Wizard of Oz.

101 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:53:48am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

MSNBC Meltdowns during DNC

Here's a link to the "Morning Joe" incident you mentioned:

And here's another funny one I posted earlier this morning:

In this one, Chris Matthews is talking about what an historic moment it is, that Barack Obama has become "the first African-American ever" to be nominated by a by a major political party in "just about any major country".

In how many countries in the world can African-Americans run for President?

102 alegrias  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:01am

re: #76 Fat Jolly Penguin

Don't leftists always tell us that dissent is the highest form of patriotism?

* * *
Sure, dissent is patriotic--ah, uh, er, for me--but not for thee.

103 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:06am

re: #76 Fat Jolly Penguin

Don't leftists always tell us that dissent is the highest form of patriotism?

As long as it's their dissent.

104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:06am

Aren't these the same people who say "change the channel" when any objection is made to the excessive sex & violence on TV?

105 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:18am

re: #97 MandyManners

BHO/Duck.

Is that pronounced so as to rhyme with geoduck?

106 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:34am

re: #45 Cognito

I believe we're seeing a frightening pattern emerge. Obama does not suppress information that is libelous, slanderous or even -- and this would itself be a violation of the First Amendment -- just plain wrong.

No.

He suppresses the blasphemous.


Next think you know, the Democrats will be seething and rioting over cartoons of Obama, like the New Yorker cover.

107 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:37am

re: #63 The Other Les

Think we'll see the Obamashirts trying to storm the RNC?

They are already threatening to do so. The DNC has a huge billboard up and bought up space on all of the buses.

When I think Obamashirts, though, I think about Barry & Michelle's repeated call for a "civilian security agency" as well trained and equipped as our military.

108 Peacekeeper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:46am

So, terrorists in GITMO should be freed while National Review contributors should be jailed... right?

No, not jailed, just silenced and forced to make a living digging ditches for sewer pipe.

109 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:50am

re: #56 Ward Cleaver

The CAC documents are already being released and Kurtz and others are starting to slog through them. National Review has his latest piece (don't have the link handy though).

110 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:51am

Here it is from the City Journal.

111 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:54am

re: #86 Honorary Yooper

That's easy. Get a Plat of Survey of the hotel.

Yep, that's a public record. It might even be online (TIFF or BMP file).

112 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:54:58am

re: #14 Cognito

In the vein of this topic, a revisited idea:

Charles, I do hope that at some point today you might consider a post about the ABC reporter arrested for taking photos on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and their donors.

It's bigger than one reporter. It's indicative of a trend -- a threat -- emerging in the Obama mentality. Same goes for his attempt to use the DoJ to suppress the Ayers advertisment. Same goes for him tossing the New Yorker writer off the campaign trail, following the (ironically) unflattering cover. And so forth.

It's a big deal, I believe. Perhaps the biggest of the moment.

The video of the moment of his arrest shows him clearly upon an expanse of sidewalk.

113 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:55:00am
114 SpartanWoman  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:55:04am

re: #104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Aren't these the same people who say "change the channel" when any objection is made to the excessive sex & violence on TV?

Great point. INdeed they are, but obviously not when the speech is against them

115 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:55:10am

re: #100 The Other Les

I originally thought of Apocalypse Now as a really demented remake of The Wizard of Oz.

The rest of the Oz series is pretty scary, but none of it is Heart of Darkness.

116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:55:19am

re: #101 reine.de.tout

It just like those 2 african-american youths from Morocco who were killed when they broke into an electrical station in France a few years back.

/

117 Outrider  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:55:31am

re: #101 reine.de.tout

Liberia?

118 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:55:32am

re: #109 lawhawk

The CAC documents are already being released and Kurtz and others are starting to slog through them. National Review has his latest piece (don't have the link handy though).

Are any of them being posted on the Web yet? Can they be?

119 laZardo  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:55:34am

re: #76 Fat Jolly Penguin

Dissent is fine.

Dissent against dissent, well, that's striking "too deep."

120 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:55:53am
121 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:56:02am

re: #100 The Other Les

I originally thought of Apocalypse Now as a really demented remake of The Wizard of Oz.

Zardoz is a demented remake of The Wizard of Oz, but I like where your head's at.

122 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:56:35am

re: #109 lawhawk

The CAC documents are already being released and Kurtz and others are starting to slog through them. National Review has his latest piece (don't have the link handy though).

Here is Kurtz's latest on NRO

123 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:57:04am

re: #76 Fat Jolly Penguin

Don't leftists always tell us that dissent is the highest form of patriotism?

Only when its them who are dissenting!

124 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:57:06am

re: #105 OldLineTexan

Is that pronounced so as to rhyme with geoduck?

The geoduck has more humility.

125 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:57:18am

I thought the Wizard of Oz was about the Russian Revoloution.

126 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:57:49am

re: #78 MandyManners

It's walking, talking and looking like a duck.

Hey, say "Totalitarian, etc" all you want.

He is not Der Fuhrer

127 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:57:52am

re: #83 yma o hyd

How utterly dumd are BO and his staff to go at this story with the biggest sledgehammer they can find?
If its all lies - why not let them be told and bask in the glory of refuting every single one of them?

The way they're doing it makes this look as if there is not just a smoking gun but a whole battery of smoking cannons in that story.
People hopefully will now really start digging - and it hopefully will come out in time for the elections ...

Idiots!

Truthfully, they are pretty dumb, at least about some things. One of those things is The One's insistence on responding to every teeny criticism full bore. He is off his game in a big way, running full bore in rapid response "fight the smears" mode. The kind of defense he's putting up is never a good strategy.

128 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:57:53am

re: #125 lifeofthemind

I thought the Wizard of Oz was about the Russian Revoloution.

I thought it was about populism.

129 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:58:00am

re: #13 Sizzlack

Just another example of why they want the "fairness doctrine" so much. The term "fairness doctrine" literally makes my skin crawl. But hey so do Democrats so it makes sense they are for it.

It works beautifully in Canada.

130 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:58:09am
Kurtz, a conservative writer, recently wrote an article for the National Review that looked at Obama’s ties to Ayers, a former 1960s radical who liked to bomb civilians and US soldiers and later emerged from hiding as a school reform advocate in Chicago.
131 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:58:17am

re: #126 Ben Hur

Hey, say "Totalitarian, etc" all you want.

He is not Der Fuhrer

He's a fascist.

132 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:58:29am

re: #100 The Other Les

I originally thought of Apocalypse Now as a really demented remake of The Wizard of Oz.

I read Heart of Darkness before I sawy Apocalypse now, and had not heard or read that the latter was based on the former. It hit me like a thunderbolt during the scene when tribesmen are shooting arrows at the boat, and we see figures running through the jungle with spears, just before one is thrown at the boat, killing the commander. The scene is exactly as described in the book... a real Shazam! moment.

I need to re-read that book. Thanks for the reminder, buzzsaw.

133 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:58:29am

re: #124 MandyManners

The geoduck has more humility.

I would just like to klnow if I should read BHO/duck as "booeyduck".

Because I would like to.

134 jester6  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:58:36am

re: #24 MandyManners

Brown Palace OWNS that bit of sidewalk?

Sidewalks often exist in a twilight zone of property law. Property owners pay taxes on the land and are required to pay for the upkeep, but they have no right to restrict access. Something about implied easments - its been a long time since law school.

To show you how weird it can get, here in Ohio some cities go as to require property owners to remove snow from the sidewalks to make them possible. And if the sidewalks are busted up the city can fix them and assess the property owner for the costs.

135 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:58:41am

re: #126 Ben Hur

Hey, say "Totalitarian, etc" all you want.

He is not Der Fuhrer

I'll stcik with calling Obama the reincarnation of President Wilson, thankyouverymuch.

136 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:59:09am

re: #125 lifeofthemind

I thought the Wizard of Oz was about the Russian Revoloution.

No. It was written well before the Russian Revolution.

137 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:59:16am

re: #131 MandyManners

He's a fascist.

Or, hes a communist.

138 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:59:21am

re: #131 MandyManners

He's a fascist.


I agree.

139 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:59:29am

re: #133 OldLineTexan

I would just like to klnow if I should read BHO/duck as "booeyduck".

Because I would like to.

Go for it

140 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:59:33am

re: #105 OldLineTexan

Is that pronounced so as to rhyme with geoduck?

Any excuse to post my favorite geoduck picture.

141 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:59:36am
“WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears,” Obama’s campaign wrote in an e-mail to supporters. “He’s currently scheduled to spend a solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies, distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois professor William Ayers.”


Sheesh! Where is the Hyperbole Police when you really need them?!

142 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:59:41am

re: #14 Cognito

Strange, I always thought that sidewalks were a public right away. The only caveat to this was when an organization owned all the property (roads, buildings,etc) that the side walk ran through, like a business park.

143 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:59:45am

re: #137 MandyManners

Or, hes a communist.


Yes.

144 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:59:48am
145 Peacekeeper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 8:59:48am

Tonight Obama will emerge from the temple, open the Ark of the Covenant and all his enemies will melt.

I am uncomfortable with this jewish ritual.

146 David Simon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:02am

re: #109 lawhawk

The CAC documents are already being released and Kurtz and others are starting to slog through them. National Review has his latest piece (don't have the link handy though).

He says he's being blocked (From Reine's link):

Unfortunately, I don’t yet have access to the documents. The Special Collections section of the Richard J. Daley Library agreed to let me read them, but just before I boarded my flight to Chicago, the top library officials mysteriously intervened to bar access. Circumstances strongly suggest the likelihood that Bill Ayers himself may have played a pivotal role in this denial. Ayers has long taught at UIC, where the Chicago Annenberg Challenge offices were housed, rent-free. Ayers likely arranged for the files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge to be housed in the UIC library, and may well have been consulted during my unsuccessful struggle to gain access to the documents. Let me, then, explain in greater detail what the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) records are, and how I have been blocked from seeing them.

147 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:07am

re: #105 OldLineTexan

Is that pronounced so as to rhyme with geoduck?

Isn't geoduck pronounced "GWEE-duck"?

/it's a clam

148 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:11am

re: #124 MandyManners

The geoduck has more humility.

And doesn't resemble a giant prick nearly as much as Barry does.

149 Outrider  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:23am

re: #107 galloping granny

They are already threatening to do so. The DNC has a huge billboard up and bought up space on all of the buses.

When I think Obamashirts, though, I think about Barry & Michelle's repeated call for a "civilian security agency" as well trained and equipped as our military.

At that point, it is merely meanness and a waste of money on the DNCs part. I doubt billboards and bus ads are going to convert delegates over to the dark side of the farce.

Stunts like this or mass demonstrations/riots just make the Dems look childish.

150 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:29am

re: #61 laZardo
Posted one back to ya.

151 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:41am

re: #134 jester6

Sidewalks often exist in a twilight zone of property law. Property owners pay taxes on the land and are required to pay for the upkeep, but they have no right to restrict access. Something about implied easments - its been a long time since law school.

To show you how weird it can get, here in Ohio some cities go as to require property owners to remove snow from the sidewalks to make them possible. And if the sidewalks are busted up the city can fix them and assess the property owner for the costs.

I don't see how a property owner can restrict access to the sidewalk.

152 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:44am

re: #120 Ben Hur

DNC Protests: Police slam CodePink protester to the ground

I saw a post by zombie saying "he/she/it" was very close by, had photos, and that (in context) the incident wasn't like the video portrayed it.

Anything else come out on that?

153 jorline  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:46am

Watch the First Amendment get thrown under the Obama bus.

This is just the beginning...and people are criticizing Putin?

154 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:50am
155 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:54am

45 years ago today Martin Luther King gave his "I have a dream speech." Today a black man accepts the nomination of a major party for president. A man who has lived the American Dream, from a single parent household to the threshold of the White House.

America is the Greatest Country, now or ever!

Now, we've got 70 days to make sure a radical Marxist doesn't sit in the Oval Office.

Morning Lizards!

156 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:00:54am

re: #131 MandyManners

He's a fascist.

When Obama says
I won't run on my race
We Heil! Heil!
Right in Obama's face
Not to love Obama is a great disgrace
So we Heil! Heil!
Right in Obama's face

157 de La Valette  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:01:17am

I think the real dirt behind the Ayers stuff is it gets us closer to finding out who sent Obama.

158 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:01:35am

re: #152 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I saw a post by zombie saying "he/she/it" was very close by, had photos, and that (in context) the incident wasn't like the video portrayed it.

Anything else come out on that?

I don't know.

I figure the loons can milk an injury better than any Italian/SOuth American soccer player - no contest.

159 kawfytawk  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:01:42am

re: #142 Bubblehead II

Strange, I always thought that sidewalks were a public right away. The only caveat to this was when an organization owned all the property (roads, buildings,etc) that the side walk ran through, like a business park.

Unless, of course, the sidewalk is front of the Marine Corps recruiting station

160 victor_yugo  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:01:44am

In Dr. King's speech 45 years ago, he said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

The Fascist Tool Barack Obama rejects that dream by attempting to use government censorship against those who are trying to do exactly that, with him. He and his supporters make accusations of racism, where there is none. He expects the color of his skin to be the basis upon which we judge him.

That alone speaks volumes about his character.

And he has the raw chutzpah to make the speech of his lifetime, on the anniversary of the speech of Dr. King's lifetime.

Words fail to express the loathing I feel right now.

161 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:01:52am

re: #128 MandyManners

I thought it was about populism.

Hollywood screenwriters were engaging in stupid conspiracy fantasies, joining secret cells, and giggling over the codes they could slip in to a movie. THe difference between their conduct then and in the post McCarthy era is that now they have come out of the closet and simply dare anyone to disagree. Now they get to fire people with diferent messages.

162 Tom Kratman  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:01:53am

Kick a liberal and set a Stalinist to screaming.

163 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:02:01am

re: #137 MandyManners

Or, hes a communist.

He is a communist. The difference, though, between a fascist ala Hitler and a communist ala Stalin is really just a matter of semantics.

164 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:02:38am

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

It antedates the Russian Revolution considerably.

First published in 1900.

165 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:02:50am

re: #142 Bubblehead II

Strange, I always thought that sidewalks were a public right away. The only caveat to this was when an organization owned all the property (roads, buildings,etc) that the side walk ran through, like a business park.

Don't fall for that line. He was in public space -- other citizens are plainly seen walking along the same sidewalk.

Only they weren't threatening the Democratic machine.

166 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:03:05am

re: #142 Bubblehead II

Strange, I always thought that sidewalks were a public right away. The only caveat to this was when an organization owned all the property (roads, buildings,etc) that the side walk ran through, like a business park.

It depends on where the property line is. Usually sidewalks are within the right-of-way of the street they are along, and thus are public (city/county/state) property. That's why a Plat of Survey is important in this case. It will show where the hotel property ends, and the public ROW begins.

167 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:03:05am

re: #100 The Other Les

I originally thought of Apocalypse Now as a really demented remake of The Wizard of Oz.

If I only had a Thumper,
I wouldn't be down in the dumpers
Sad and mopin' all the time

I'd be droppin' rounds on Charlie
I'd be makin' his life gnarly
with an M79...

168 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:03:08am

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

It antedates the Russian Revolution considerably.

The books do of course, I meant the movie.

169 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:03:28am

re: #150 realwest

Posted one back to ya.

RW! how you doing this morning? Everything go well?

And better yet are you on happy pills so we can have some fun at your expense?

170 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:03:47am

re: #155 jcm

45 years ago today Martin Luther King gave his "I have a dream speech." Today a black man accepts the nomination of a major party for president. A man who has lived the American Dream, from a single parent household to the threshold of the White House.

America is the Greatest Country, now or ever!

Now, we've got 70 days to make sure a radical Marxist doesn't sit in the Oval Office.

Morning Lizards!

I wanted to puke, watching the local news here (WFAA in Dallas) last night, with their fawning over the BHO nomination, followed by a story about MLK and Obama, with interviews of local black leaders. Like Obama was the second coming of Dr. King. As if.

171 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:03:50am

re: #141 CIA Reject

Sheesh! Where is the Hyperbole Police when you really need them?!

We've had Denver on the tube how many nights now? Their heads have all exploded.

172 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:04:16am

re: #158 Ben Hur

I don't know.

I figure the loons can milk an injury better than any Italian/SOuth American soccer player - no contest.

Apparently WAS a case of "milking". Do a "user:" search for zombie's recent posts. There were three of them on the same thread. I think last night, but could have been the night before.

173 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:04:17am

I hunger. BBL.

174 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:04:27am

re: #151 MandyManners

I don't see how a property owner can restrict access to the sidewalk.

He can not, legally, unless said sidewalk is actually on his property. And even then, it may be a public easement (quite common for utilities).

175 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:04:27am

re: #24 MandyManners

It is actually possible that they do. You get some rather odd stuff around. For the most part, however, the sidewalks, berms, curbs and roads are property of the municipality. You would have to consult the law of Denver and the property boundaries specifically of this location to make sure they were public. However, there is usually an implied easement when something is generally used and the use is not prohibited within a certain time period. It is likely that they reporter has a good case for false arrest and a lawsuit against the hotel if they wish to pursue that path.

But again, what are they hiding? You keep looking for a straight answer from the Obama folks and all you get are thugs worthy of the strikebreakers of the early 1900s. This guy is profoundly stupid. It is not the act that kills you its the cover up.

176 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:05:11am

re: #172 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Apparently WAS a case of "milking". Do a "user:" search for zombie's recent posts. There were three of them on the same thread. I think last night, but could have been the night before.

NHL quality embellishment.

177 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:05:30am

Everyone please read the link at my #110. Stories like this can derail the back door express.

178 Iron Fist  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:05:32am

re: #126 Ben Hur

He's more like Mussolini. They both have that cocked-head look going on.

179 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:05:40am

This is a thuggish tactic from the league leaders. Annenburg got started as a thug and his political descendants are no different.

180 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:06:02am

re: #147 Ward Cleaver

Isn't geoduck pronounced "GWEE-duck"?

/it's a clam

Yes, I am aware of that after watching Mike Rowe harvest them.

Before that, I had never heard of them at all.

Not many in Texas, apparently, and I have never been to that part of the country.

It always sounds like "gooeyduck" to me, but maybe my ears have an accent.

/

181 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:06:03am

As noted above, you've got the Obama campaign going after Kurtz, but here's the part that should really raise eyebrows.

Look at how they refer to Ayers:

“WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears,” Obama’s campaign wrote in an e-mail to supporters. “He’s currently scheduled to spend a solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies, distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois professor William Ayers.”

Ayers isn't just a professor at the University of Illinois.

He was a terrorist. Period. He's unrepentant about his terror past, and wishes that he had done more.

Ayers lies about his past, and the Obama campaign, instead of distancing itself from Ayers, is setting about trying to mainstream Ayers by referring to him in his current post, rather than note his bloody history.

182 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:06:05am
183 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:06:20am

re: #121 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Zardoz is a demented remake of The Wizard of Oz, but I like where your head's at.

Eh? It references WoO, but I don't think it's a remake.

Wild at Heart qualifies as a demented remake of WoO.

184 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:06:31am

re: #90 galloping granny
Actually Obama has know Ayers for a long time - they served on the same board of directors for years - the Annenberg papers will show that, if nothing else.
Like I said: Obama is TOTALLY inexperienced in having to really FIGHT to get elected and that particluar inexperience is being shown by this whole WGN affair.

185 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:06:52am
186 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:06:56am

re: #174 Honorary Yooper

He can not, legally, unless said sidewalk is actually on his property. And even then, it may be a public easement (quite common for utilities).

They just wanted to get rid of the guy - mission accomplished. He'll probably just get a "we apologize" letter from the city.

187 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:06:57am

re: #165 Cognito

Don't fall for that line. He was in public space -- other citizens are plainly seen walking along the same sidewalk.

Only they weren't threatening the Democratic machine.

Is it possible that he disobeyed a police order? I have seen that happen in public and end in an arrest.

188 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:07:09am

What frightens me, moreover, is that a huge segment of the population is not only not resisting the emergent Big Brother mentality, they're embracing it.

189 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:07:17am

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

I wanted to puke, watching the local news here (WFAA in Dallas) last night, with their fawning over the BHO nomination, followed by a story about MLK and Obama, with interviews of local black leaders. Like Obama was the second coming of Dr. King. As if.

BHO's presence on that stage in that position, puts the lie to almost everything he and his wife say.

I was soooo pissed last night with all the pandering to the troops, then the following speakers crap all over them saying we need to give up everything they've accomplished and pull out of Iraq.

190 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:07:26am

I am sooo confused!
Slick Willies speech last night...
What Demo .. party and 8 years was he talking about being
so WONDERFUL?
Nothing he said was accurate or remotely true!
Totally pegged my bullshit-o-meter !

191 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:07:29am

re: #155 jcm

45 years ago today Martin Luther King gave his "I have a dream speech." Today a black man accepts the nomination of a major party for president. A man who has lived the American Dream, from a single parent household to the threshold of the White House.

America is the Greatest Country, now or ever!

Now, we've got 70 days to make sure a radical Marxist doesn't sit in the Oval Office.

Morning Lizards!


Very well put.

192 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:07:31am

re: #185 taxfreekiller

Too late.

193 WriterMom  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:07:48am

OT: Most unfortunate headline of the day award goes to.....

"Foes United In Fury Over Gays".

LOLOLOLOL

194 runrabbitrun  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:08:01am

Morning lizards - (and sorry if this has been posted), but since the Republican talking points seem to lack polity substance, the authentic paper of record, The New York Post, does the job this A.M:

Credibility Gap: The Case Against the Clinton years

195 alegrias  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:08:31am

re: #153 jorline

Watch the First Amendment get thrown under the Obama bus.

This is just the beginning...and people are criticizing Putin?

* * *
Please note, Dems are NOT criticizing Putin.

John McCain and the administration are criticizing Putin. TOO MUCH, say the dems. Too BELLIGERENTLY, say the dems.

Dems save their best ammunition for fellow Americans--Blame Americans First! Remove their free speech.

196 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:08:44am

re: #181 lawhawk

As noted above, you've got the Obama campaign going after Kurtz, but here's the part that should really raise eyebrows.

Look at how they refer to Ayers:

Ayers isn't just a professor at the University of Illinois.

He was a terrorist. Period. He's unrepentant about his terror past, and wishes that he had done more.

Ayers lies about his past, and the Obama campaign, instead of distancing itself from Ayers, is setting about trying to mainstream Ayers by referring to him in his current post, rather than note his bloody history.

He is a co founder of the Weather Underground for heaven's sake! "A professor" my ass!

197 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:08:45am

re: #185 taxfreekiller

No photos of George Soros allowed .

Only because that breaks the cameras and voids the warranties.

198 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:08:51am
199 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:08:51am

OT

I had to step away, just got back. I want to thank all of you for the nice comments in the last thread about my Al-Jazeera versus Golden photo essay. I will post the link to the spin off links later in an open thread and you can save it to your favorites if you care too.

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

200 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:09:03am

re: #176 Ward Cleaver

NHL quality embellishment.

Didn't Broadway Joe do some of that -- at least on some of the occasions he got sacked? I forget.

201 jorline  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:09:10am

Did anyone else get this nice email from iReport?

Attention iReporters!

We've just added a sentence to the iReport.com terms of use to explain how licensing works for iReport material and want to be sure you know about it.

In short, the update makes it clear that when CNN licenses iReport material as stand-alone content outside of its programming to third parties unaffiliated with CNN, CNN will share the license fee with the iReport contributor.

We think this is good news for all of us -- it means that when people see iReport material that's so great they want to pay to use it, we can be sure that everyone benefits.

You can read the full terms at [Link: www.ireport.com...] look for a new sentence at the end of the first paragraph in Section 5, "Submissions." And as always, if you have questions or comments, you can reach us at contact@ireport.com or just leave a comment on this post.


Many thanks,
iReport.com staff


Seems they don't me using their links without "becoming a friend of iReport".

202 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:09:15am

re: #187 OldLineTexan

Is it possible that he disobeyed a police order? I have seen that happen in public and end in an arrest.

Check out the video. It's pretty clear he did obey a police order.

Correctly.

203 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:09:40am
204 David Simon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:09:45am

re: #183 Occasional Reader

Eh? It references WoO, but I don't think it's a remake.

Wild at Heart qualifies as a demented remake of WoO.

And everything else the David Lynch directed (save for Elephant Man) qualifies as demented.

205 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:09:54am

re: #178 Iron Fist

He's more like Mussolini. They both have that cocked-head look going on.

Plus, you have the pictures of BHO. BHO has been seen in many of Il Duce's poses, including the infamous one at the beach where BHO was shirtless. That was rather common for Il Duce.

206 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:10:07am

re: #180 OldLineTexan

Yes, I am aware of that after watching Mike Rowe harvest them.

Before that, I had never heard of them at all.

Not many in Texas, apparently, and I have never been to that part of the country.

It always sounds like "gooeyduck" to me, but maybe my ears have an accent.

/

I first read about them when I was a kid, thumbing through the World Book encyclopedias we had at home (a salesman convinced my dad to buy those - leather-bound, no less). They're big honkin' clams.

207 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:10:14am

re: #188 Cognito

What frightens me, moreover, is that a huge segment of the population is not only not resisting the emergent Big Brother mentality, they're embracing it.

Or else what, I wonder...

208 jorline  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:10:17am

re: #195 alegrias

* * *
Please note, Dems are NOT criticizing Putin.

John McCain and the administration are criticizing Putin. TOO MUCH, say the dems. Too BELLIGERENTLY, say the dems.

Dems save their best ammunition for fellow Americans--Blame Americans First! Remove their free speech.

agree

209 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:10:19am

re: #184 realwest

Actually Obama has know Ayers for a long time - they served on the same board of directors for years - the Annenberg papers will show that, if nothing else.
Like I said: Obama is TOTALLY inexperienced in having to really FIGHT to get elected and that particluar inexperience is being shown by this whole WGN affair.

And Barry's wife Michelle may have known Ayer's wife and fellow terrorist Bernadine Dohrn even longer - they worked together at the Chicago lawfirm where Michelle met Barry.

I suspect, though, that Barry's ties to Ayers actually go back to Uncle Frank Davis.

210 jester6  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:10:31am

re: #151 MandyManners

I don't see how a property owner can restrict access to the sidewalk.

It varies from place to place. The bottom line quite frankly is the law really does not matter. If the cop is right they will charge the guy. If the cop is wrong he will either say he made a reasonable mistake or charge the guy with something else.

I know this sounds very cynical, but in my experience cops decide what they want to do, then they find the facts or law that will let them do it.

211 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:10:42am

Hey! Obama.
Liberty Castings called!
They don't have enough bronze to cast the Statue you
ordered.....The head is totally out of proportion!
Sheesh!

212 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:10:49am

Tonight, Nightline will be broadcasting an interview with Obama made in 2004, with some surprising comments about Iraq:

Koppel asked, "But do you think that most the delegates on the floor really understand that President Kerry is not going to pursue a policy in Iraq that is essentially different from the one that George Bush is pursuing?"

"Oh, I think that they understand that," Obama said. "I think that they recognize that we cannot afford to simply cut and run in Iraq, and that we are in a difficult situation right now. And I think that what they are hoping for is somebody who is going to bring a thoughtfulness and a base of experience to decision-making in the White House, which John Kerry possesses, and I think that George Bush does not."

Koppel asked Obama, "Why can we not cut and run? When you freeze it that way, you determine the outcome. Why is it inappropriate to say, 'We’ll stay for another six months so that Iraq can take over their own affairs and their own defence and their own security, but in six months, we are pulling our troops out of there.'"

"Well, Ted, you have been there and I have not," said Obama. "I do not know whether or not we can accomplish that in six months. If we can, then I think John Kerry will bring our troops home. ...

"My assumption would be that if we could actually stabilize Iraq in such a way that you do not have warfare between the Sunnis the Shii’as and the Kurds, some semblance of law and order in that country, then I think that there is no doubt that the Kerry administration is going to be interested in bringing back the reservists and the National Guardsmen who are currently there, but --"

"If all of those things were true, Mr. Obama," Koppel interrupted, "I think it is also true that the Bush administration would bring the troops back."

"Absolutely," Obama said.

"Again, no difference between the two," Koppel said.

213 Iron Fist  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:10:50am

re: #177 lifeofthemind

That was very good. This question isn't going away for Obama and the Democrats. They are marked by who they choose to associate with.

214 de La Valette  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:11:00am

re: #175 Shr_Nfr

Why do this, its getting far more attention the picture of Pelosi leaving a hotel with a smile and short wave?

Nobody knows who those lobbyists are or who they represent and if they were even in the same room with Pelosi. She's a Congress critter, she's supposed to meet with lobbyists - its a convention thats what happens - and its their job to meet with her.

By arresting an accredited journalist (not a blogger in his PJs) on a public street they have made everyone in the media mad (except MSNBC), gave the Denver PD a black eye (which will be returned if someone steps out of line later - maybe a DUI), and now the owe ABC a big one. Next blogger that uncovers some good dirt - shop it to ABC.

215 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:11:14am

re: #157 de La Valette

I think the real dirt behind the Ayers stuff is it gets us closer to finding out who sent Obama.

Thats what I'm hoping for!

216 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:11:45am

re: #181 lawhawk


Ayers lies about his past, and the Obama campaign, instead of distancing itself from Ayers, is setting about trying to mainstream Ayers by referring to him in his current post, rather than note his bloody history.


Good point. I didn't catch that.

217 WriterMom  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:11:50am
218 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:11:55am

re: #195 alegrias

John McCain and the administration are criticizing Putin. TOO MUCH, say the dems. Too BELLIGERENTLY, say the dems.

John Kerry: "So who can we trust to keep America safe? When democracy rolled out of Russia [huh?], and the tanks rolled into Georgia, we saw John McCain respond immediately with the outdated thinking of the Cold War. Barack Obama responded like a statesman of the 21st century."

Meaning... what, John? He called for the Russians to denounce themselves at the UNSC?

219 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:11:59am

Has Dustoff popped in this morning?

We've got a couple mountain rescues one just wrapped up last night, another is on going. If Dustoff has popped in he might be out picking up nincompoops who can't read a weather forecast.

220 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:12:17am

re: #210 jester6

It varies from place to place. The bottom line quite frankly is the law really does not matter. If the cop is right they will charge the guy. If the cop is wrong he will either say he made a reasonable mistake or charge the guy with something else.

I know this sounds very cynical, but in my experience cops decide what they want to do, then they find the facts or law that will let them do it.

No. He cannot charge a journalist for standing where other citizens are freely allowed to stand.

221 jill e  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:12:20am

From Power Line:

During the April 16 debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, moderator George Stephanopoulos brought up “a gentleman named William Ayers,” who “was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings. He’s never apologized for that.” Stephanopoulos then asked Obama to explain his relationship with Ayers. Obama’s answer: “The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.” Obama was indeed only eight in early 1970. I was only nine then, the year Ayers’s Weathermen tried to murder me.

Here's all of it.

222 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:12:41am

re: #169 jcm I'm doing ok, thanks, but in a WHOLE LOT OF PAIN even with the "happy pills" - so g'head and make any jokes you want to at my expense, I'm keeping a list of names here! LOL! (ouch!).

223 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:12:54am

re: #195 alegrias

* * *
Please note, Dems are NOT criticizing Putin.

John McCain and the administration are criticizing Putin. TOO MUCH, say the dems. Too BELLIGERENTLY, say the dems.

Dems save their best ammunition for fellow Americans--Blame Americans First! Remove their free speech.

I just deleted a BDS case who said that I should have written a fictional execution of President Bush instead of Putin in the Prologue of my current fiction project.

224 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:13:10am

re: #215 yma o hyd

Thats what I'm hoping for!

It won't matter what anyone finds out about OB. Every Dem in Chicago will still vote for him.

225 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:13:12am

re: #120 Ben Hur

Was he properly decontaminated after the action?

226 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:13:15am

re: #188 Cognito

What frightens me, moreover, is that a huge segment of the population is not only not resisting the emergent Big Brother mentality, they're embracing it.

In the words of a certain "cowboy" President: Bring it on.

227 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:13:17am

re: #200 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Didn't Broadway Joe do some of that -- at least on some of the occasions he got sacked? I forget.

Remember how Buddy Ryan had one of his players fake an injury, because they were out of timeouts?

228 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:13:25am

re: #202 Cognito

Check out the video. It's pretty clear he did obey a police order.

Correctly.

Is this the reporter you linked to last night?

229 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:13:39am

re: #196 galloping granny

He is a co founder of the Weather Underground for heaven's sake! "A professor" my ass!

A wanna-be mass murderer.

230 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:14:07am
231 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:14:11am

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

Excellent job! Well done.

232 harrylook  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:14:13am

Why doesn't Zeus just smite the station with a lightning bolt?

233 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:14:23am

re: #69 Ben Hur

Let's try to avoid Hitler/Obama comparisons.

yes lets do. Obama is not Hitlerian. Obama is an empty suit floating along on the massive chicago political machine. Hitler had his own mind - twisted and evil as it was.

234 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:14:27am

re: #222 realwest

I'm doing ok, thanks, but in a WHOLE LOT OF PAIN even with the "happy pills" - so g'head and make any jokes you want to at my expense, I'm keeping a list of names here! LOL! (ouch!).

I'll wait till the pain subsides! Glad things went well.

235 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:14:27am

re: #228 jcm

Is this the reporter you linked to last night?

Yes.

236 samsgran1948  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:14:30am

re: #126 Ben Hur

Hey, say "Totalitarian, etc" all you want.

He is not Der Fuhrer

You're right, Ben: BHO is not Hitler; he doesn't have that extreme anti-Semitic bent -- that we know of. Much better to compare him to Lenin, Stalin and Mussolini.

Every one: If you haven't read Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism yet, put it at the top of your to-be-read pile. Combined with what's going on right now, it will give you nightmares.

237 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:15:00am

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Every Dem in Chicago, living or dead, will still vote for him.

Or unborn

238 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:15:06am

re: #232 harrylook

Why doesn't Zeus just smite the station with a lightning bolt?

Perhaps because he's too doubled-over from laughing so hard at the idiots he's watching.

239 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:15:54am

re: #218 Occasional Reader

John Kerry: "So who can we trust to keep America safe? When democracy rolled out of Russia [huh?], and the tanks rolled into Georgia, we saw John McCain respond immediately with the outdated thinking of the Cold War. Barack Obama responded like a statesman of the 21st century."

Meaning... what, John? He called for the Russians to denounce themselves at the UNSC?

Would Kerry call those Mexican Army incursions on our southern border "democracy rolling out of Mexico"?

240 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:16:04am

re: #228 jcm

Is this the reporter you linked to last night?

I don't know about last night but, here's the story Cognito linked to in this thread.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

241 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:16:07am
242 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:16:27am

re: #212 Kenneth

Tonight, Nightline will be broadcasting an interview with Obama made in 2004, with some surprising comments about Iraq:

Wow, I hope that does air tonight.

243 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:16:33am

re: #223 The Other Les

There was supposed to be a link there.

[Link: mopu.blogspot.com...]

244 maddogg  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:16:51am

re: #211 reloadingisnotahobby

Hey! Obama.
Liberty Castings called!
They don't have enough bronze to cast the Statue you
ordered.....The head is totally out of proportion!
Sheesh!

No problem, its hollow!

245 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:17:10am

re: #181 lawhawk

As noted above, you've got the Obama campaign going after Kurtz, but here's the part that should really raise eyebrows.

Look at how they refer to Ayers:

Ayers isn't just a professor at the University of Illinois.

He was a terrorist. Period. He's unrepentant about his terror past, and wishes that he had done more.

Ayers lies about his past, and the Obama campaign, instead of distancing itself from Ayers, is setting about trying to mainstream Ayers by referring to him in his current post, rather than note his bloody history.

And the campaign is also demanding that the radio station "find" and broadcast a rebuttal to Kurtz, which tells me the campaign is either unwilling or unable to issue the rebuttal themselves.

246 victor_yugo  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:17:17am

re: #192 lawhawk


Too late.

Thanks for that link. It came along just in time for me.

247 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:17:23am

re: #220 Cognito

No. He cannot charge a journalist for standing where other citizens are freely allowed to stand.

Normally in these situations, identifiable journalists are given wider latitude by LE. Unless the journo is impeding or obstructing, LE just ignores them.

Rush is talking about it now...

Everything I've read so far I'm with you... this one stinks.

248 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:17:32am

re: #241 buzzsawmonkey

Vote early and often

249 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:17:41am

re: #202 Cognito

OK.

250 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:18:07am

re: #233 Eowyn2

yes lets do. Obama is not Hitlerian. Obama is an empty suit floating along on the massive chicago political machine. Hitler had his own mind - twisted and evil as it was.

I have not seen anyone compare Obama directly to Hitler. I have compared Obama's festival this evening to Neurenberg and Nazi propaganda. I stand by that statement and will continue to make that comparison.

Unfortunately, neither Stalin nor Mussolini were the propagandists that Hitler was.

251 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:18:28am

Rush is discussing Kurtz right now. I swear this is going to blow sky high by Monday.

252 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:18:40am

I don't think there's a need to compare Obama to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin or any other of that stellar cast. He hasn't perpetrated the murder of millions, so the comparison weakens criticism rather than strengthens it.

He has given us plenty of material, all by himself. The things he has done beg for strenuous criticism.

253 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:18:43am

re: #220 Cognito

No. He cannot charge a journalist for standing where other citizens are freely allowed to stand.

Now there is an example where it's pretty clear that "this cop was way out of line."

254 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:19:07am

re: #227 Ward Cleaver

Remember how Buddy Ryan had one of his players fake an injury, because they were out of timeouts?

Didn't see that, but don't doubt it. (Followed the Cowboys, and Cowboys only, during the Landry years, then tuned out.)

255 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:19:11am

re: #241 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget "fictitious." Why should someone be prevented from voting simply because they have never existed?

Doesn't everyone have several addresses?

256 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:19:30am

re: #245 reine.de.tout

And the campaign is also demanding that the radio station "find" and broadcast a rebuttal to Kurtz, which tells me the campaign is either unwilling or unable to issue the rebuttal themselves.

"Just make the bad things go away! Or we'll stamp our feet and hold our breath until we turn blue!"

257 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:20:02am

re: #241 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget "fictitious." Why should someone be prevented from voting simply because they have never existed?

Good point. We should start reminding the Dems again this year that Reps vote on Nov 4th and the Dems on Nov 5th.

258 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:20:05am

re: #165 Cognito

Agreed, it was a publicly accessible sidewalk and that reporter had every right to be there. I was just pointing out that the only caveat to prohibiting access to a sidewalk occurs WITHIN a privately owned business park, not one that runs alongside a public road.

259 Halman  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:20:22am

re: #251 doppelganglander

Rush is discussing Kurtz right now. I swear this is going to blow sky high by Monday.

Thanks for the "heads up' have the radio on now...

260 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:20:42am

re: #252 Cognito

I don't think there's a need to compare Obama to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin or any other of that stellar cast. He hasn't perpetrated the murder of millions, so the comparison weakens criticism rather than strengthens it.

The unfortunate circumstance is that the other side feels compelled to do that.

261 Iron Fist  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:20:45am

I wish John McCain would announce that Sarah Palin is going to be his VP about 8:00 PM EST. It'd be fun to watch the media scramble.

262 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:20:49am

re: #211 reloadingisnotahobby

Hey! Obama.
Liberty Castings called!
They don't have enough bronze to cast the Statue you
ordered.....The head is totally out of proportion!
Sheesh!

"Oh yeah? Well, the Jerk Store called. They're running out of you!"

-Obama spokesman George Costanza

263 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:21:00am

re: #245 reine.de.tout

And the campaign is also demanding that the radio station "find" and broadcast a rebuttal to Kurtz, which tells me the campaign is either unwilling or unable to issue the rebuttal themselves.

That sounds suspiciously like "fairness doctrine" to me.

264 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:21:04am

re: #242 Ward Cleaver

It's obvious the "O" hadn't read the latest polls...
before making that statement!
the"O" = Zero, No coincident!

265 Zevy  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:21:49am

OT

Anybody else having trouble with that Ajax-powered "New Comments" button at the end of the comments? When I click it, it simply refreshes the whole page, while it's supposed to just bring up new comments below it. I'm on Mac Leopard, on Firefox 3.

266 laZardo  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:21:49am

re: #250 galloping granny

Even if you could make that comparison though, Goebbels ran the propaganda machines. Interestingly, for all the Nazi rhetoric about euthanasia, they had to tread carefully when it came to putting down the disabled because Goebbels had club foot.

267 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:21:54am

re: #252 Cognito

I don't think there's a need to compare Obama to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin or any other of that stellar cast. He hasn't perpetrated the murder of millions, so the comparison weakens criticism rather than strengthens it.

He has given us plenty of material, all by himself. The things he has done beg for strenuous criticism.

I look at all his mentor's, his mother, his father, Davis in Hawaii, his association with Alinsky groups and ACORN, his choice of pastor, his Chicago political association. His language is heavily couched but the phrases of radicalism creep in consistently.

It all points to radical leftist agenda. We can defeat Obama on his record, and lack of records.

268 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:21:58am

re: #255 galloping granny

Doesn't everyone have several addresses?

McCain does! He has lots of houses!

/sole DNC talking point

269 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:21:59am

re: #254 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Didn't see that, but don't doubt it. (Followed the Cowboys, and Cowboys only, during the Landry years, then tuned out.)

Wow, I didn't know that. Landry was a good guy, and a war hero. I used to be a big Cowboy fan; now they're just another team as far as I'm concerned. Steeler fan now.

270 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:22:10am

re: #166 Honorary Yooper

Exactly, if the sidewalk was in the legal right of way, the cops were out of line. IF (and that's a big if) it was within the Hotels property line, then that is a whole nother ball of wax.

271 jester6  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:22:23am

re: #220 Cognito

He can always charge him with resisting arrest. You cannot resist and arrest, even if it is unlawful. Or they can just charge him with disorderly conduct. He really is guilty of contempt of cop, but most places don't have that statue officially on the books.

In my neck of the woods it is standard policy to make sure every arrestee pleads guilty to something as away to protect the department, city, county etc. from unlawful arrest lawsuits.

It may work different in this case because of the video and ABCs ability to bring attention to the case. But if this was joe citizen the cop could repeat what you saw on the vid as often as he felt the urge.

272 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:22:24am

It's outrageous how the Republicans Democrats are trying to tie Obama to something that happened 40 45 years ago when Obama was 8 3 years old...

273 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:22:27am

re: #261 Iron Fist

I wish John McCain would announce that Sarah Palin is going to be his VP about 8:00 PM EST. It'd be fun to watch the media scramble.

No - that would be a huge mistake. That would take full attention away from McCain's VP pick. It would also look like McCain was feeling pressured to release the news early, rather than tomorrow as he has promised. BAD, bad move!

274 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:22:28am

re: #265 Zevy

OT

Anybody else having trouble with that Ajax-powered "New Comments" button at the end of the comments? When I click it, it simply refreshes the whole page, while it's supposed to just bring up new comments below it. I'm on Mac Leopard, on Firefox 3.

I've been having problems off and on.

275 de La Valette  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:22:43am

re: #258 Bubblehead II

How many journalists did China arrest during the Beijing Olympics.

276 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:23:19am

re: #272 Kenneth

It's outrageous how the Republicans Democrats are trying to tie Obama to something that happened 40 45 years ago when Obama was 8 3 years old...

Two years old, right?

277 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:23:31am

I'm shocked.

/blank face

278 cjstavern  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:23:33am

Wildly off topic but remember all the talk about a "recession" by the donks? Well, the second quarter grew at a robust 3.3%. Will the dems now stop lying?

279 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:23:46am

re: #265 Zevy

OT

Anybody else having trouble with that Ajax-powered "New Comments" button at the end of the comments? When I click it, it simply refreshes the whole page, while it's supposed to just bring up new comments below it. I'm on Mac Leopard, on Firefox 3.

If you were using WinXP and IE7 you wouldn't be having these problems.

/instigating ... *ducking fast* ... (-:

280 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:23:46am

re: #262 Occasional Reader

"Oh yeah? Well, the Jerk Store called. They're running out of you!"

-Obama spokesman George Costanza


Ouch!
That hurt my.......ego!
LOL

281 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:24:14am

re: #272 Kenneth

It's outrageous how the Republicans Democrats are trying to tie Obama to something that happened 40 45 years ago when Obama was 8 3 years old...

Ouch!

282 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:24:14am

Rush talking about Ayres now.

283 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:24:33am

re: #276 Ward Cleaver

Two years old, right?

Some idiot on AP radio news this AM said that Clinton "passed the torch" to the "post-Boomer" generation.

Newsflash: Like me, Obama is a Baby Boomer. End of the era, true, but still a Boomer.

284 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:24:34am

re: #266 laZardo

Even if you could make that comparison though, Goebbels ran the propaganda machines. Interestingly, for all the Nazi rhetoric about euthanasia, they had to tread carefully when it came to putting down the disabled because Goebbels had club foot.

They were very much "do as I say, not as I do" kind of folks.

The comparison of tonights performance art with Hitler's Nuremberg rally is fair. It has nothing to do with the individuals involved. And don't forget Reni. . . . .

285 victor_yugo  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:24:55am
286 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:25:10am

re: #255 galloping granny

Doesn't everyone have several addresses?

In the WA general election '04. Hundreds for registrations were to a mailbox office across from the county jail, hundreds more to non-existent address. WA law requires a primary place of residence be used for registration.

The (D) won on the third recount by 133 votes.

287 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:25:14am

re: #278 cjstavern

Wildly off topic but remember all the talk about a "recession" by the donks? Well, the second quarter grew at a robust 3.3%. Will the dems now stop lying?

Hey, don't confuse them with facts!

(as denver cops harrass, arrest cjstavern)

288 jester6  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:25:17am

re: #278 cjstavern

Wildly off topic but remember all the talk about a "recession" by the donks? Well, the second quarter grew at a robust 3.3%. Will the dems now stop lying?

It never stopped them before. Remember 1992 was the worst economy in 50 years.

289 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:25:21am
290 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:25:59am

re: #272 Kenneth
Excellent post and links my friend.

As I said above - Obama isn't just "inexperienced" in governiing, he's TOTALLY inexperienced in having to FIGHT to win an election. He shoulda let this whole WGN thing go - but now he's made it a "Must listen" to show - and about 10 times the number of listerners will listen than before Obama
made such a big deal out of it.

AND OBAMA CAN'T THROW AYERS UNDER THE BUS.

291 Iron Fist  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:26:12am

re: #273 galloping granny

I just think it'd be fun to interrupt the Obama Love Fest/Coronation. There are other ways to do it. I just don't know if I can handle all the mutual masturbation that's going to be on display tonight.

292 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:26:16am

Here's Something Positive.

[Link: www.somethingpositive.net...]

293 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:26:19am

re: #279 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If you were using WinXP and IE7 you wouldn't be having these problems.

/instigating ... *ducking fast* ... (-:

Do you know what XP stands for?

EXperience the Pain.

294 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:26:27am

re: #276 Ward Cleaver

Two years old, right?

This argument is funny to me. If we take this argument as legitimate then this would put the death nail into the "Reparations" debate because apparently anything that happened more than 1 year ago is beyond discussion, responsibility, or blame.

One could carry my argument into every other facet of the Democrat victimhood agenda and yet... they don't get it.

(Of course... how old was he when Ayers threw that campaign party for him?)

295 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:26:33am

re: #263 galloping granny

That sounds suspiciously like "fairness doctrine" to me.

Isn't it interesting and ironic that the need for the 'fairness doctrine' is needed because of the challenges with trying to shout down a journalist reporting on facts? Or that it is to eliminate free market conditions?

296 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:26:35am

re: #252 Cognito

I don't think there's a need to compare Obama to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin or any other of that stellar cast. He hasn't perpetrated the murder of millions, so the comparison weakens criticism rather than strengthens it.

He has given us plenty of material, all by himself. The things he has done beg for strenuous criticism.

I doubt Obama himself would create gulags, concentration camps, or even mass arrests of Republicans.
However, neither had Stalin or Hitler before they got power. The actions of the people around Obama in attempting to stifle reporting about Obama and his associates, though, is the start of the slope that leads to such actions later.
That is why some comparisons are justified now, to cut off the possibility of the far worse actions later.

297 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:26:39am

re: #278 cjstavern

Wildly off topic but remember all the talk about a "recession" by the donks? Well, the second quarter grew at a robust 3.3%. Will the dems now stop lying?

No.

298 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:26:47am

re: #293 jcm

Do you know what XP stands for?

EXperience the Pain.

LOL!

299 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:26:54am

re: #279 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm using Firefox 3 on Vista and I'm not having problems.

*ducks/runs with pBMb*

300 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:27:00am
301 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:27:00am

?
Walters report from Golden Co..
Was he implying that Coors was sponsoring Al J..
Or the protesters?
I need to now before I stock up for the Labor Day weekend!
Thank in advance!

302 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:27:29am

re: #283 OldLineTexan

Some idiot on AP radio news this AM said that Clinton "passed the torch" to the "post-Boomer" generation.

Newsflash: Like me, Obama is a Baby Boomer. End of the era, true, but still a Boomer.

But I think Obama is scrambling to avoid any links to the concept of "boomer".

303 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:27:46am

re: #300 buzzsawmonkey

Obama is arrogant.

He has given himself Ayers.

ooooooooooo!
*rimshot* for the Master!

304 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:28:08am

Rush is really nailing it.

305 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:28:08am

re: #302 Occasional Reader

But I think Obama is scrambling to avoid any links to the concept of "boomer".

That's a funny accent you have there. Canadian?

/

306 jcm  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:28:23am
307 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:28:27am

Funny how the DNC has built a nice fake replica of the Lincoln Memorial for Obama to give a speech in front of, attempting to link him to Martin Luther King (who was a Republican, by the way).

It would be more appropriate to build a replica of the bombed Pentagon so Obama can explain why he has remained friends with unrepentant terrorist William Ayers.

308 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:28:31am
309 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:29:02am

re: #306 jcm

MicroSoft beta tested a OS that never made it to market....

NT meant "No Telling", as in "No telling what happened to your files."

310 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:29:06am

Shocking, but not really...

After all we know Obama is a Marxist and Communist... This type of suppression of the free press was typical in the Soviet days... A time that Barack hopes he can change America to bring back...

311 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:29:16am

re: #220 Cognito

No. He cannot charge a journalist for standing where other citizens are freely allowed to stand.

Did you mean to say citizens when you said other citizens? What is the difference?

312 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:29:25am

re: #224 midwestgak

It won't matter what anyone finds out about OB. Every Dem in Chicago will still vote for him.

Heh - as long as its the dems in Chicago only ...

313 Macker  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:29:26am

re: #21 yma o hyd

Quote from the article:
“WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears,” Obama’s campaign wrote in an e-mail to supporters. “He’s currently scheduled to spend a solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies, distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois professor William Ayers.”

That is just pure PRAVDA-speak, reminiscent of the darkest days of the Soviet Union.

It is beyond belief that modern American 'Demo☭rats' actually use such language without the slightest idea how this illuminates their mindset.

Folks, ye're not in power yet - and hopefully never will be!

There, fixed that for ya!

314 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:29:38am

re: #286 jcm

Ultimately, 1450 votes were cast by felons and counted. I never saw the number of other fraudulent votes, but the numbers were also in the thousands in just King County. Despite clear proof of that number of invalid votes, the election officials decided that they still had to count the votes because they could not tell who those 1450 (and the other thousands) voted for.....and a new election following the rules would be disruptive and expensive.

315 de La Valette  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:30:03am

re: #308 buzzsawmonkey

and Biden's mobbed up lawyer buddy

316 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:30:06am

re: #286 jcm

In the WA general election '04. Hundreds for registrations were to a mailbox office across from the county jail, hundreds more to non-existent address. WA law requires a primary place of residence be used for registration.

The (D) won on the third recount by 133 votes.

I think that every voter should be required to prove residency.

317 maddogg  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:30:22am

By election day, none but the true believers and the "hopium" addicts will have any doubt regarding the content of Obama's character. You can judge a man by the company he keeps, and Obama keeps company with racists, crooks, communists, and terrorists.

318 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:30:26am

And I hope John McCain decides to roll out his Veep candidate at 11:15 pm EDT tonight... Right after the Messiah's sure to be long winded and short on detail beatification speech...

319 RoyalCanadian  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:30:43am

The iron fisted suppression of all criticism of the final and most revered (political) prophet is not going to do much to get the ROP stank offa B Hussein O.

320 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:30:52am

re: #275 de La Valette

How many journalists did China arrest disappear during the Beijing Olympics.

Good question. China?

*crickets*

321 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:31:14am

re: #236 samsgran1948

You're right, Ben: BHO is not Hitler; he doesn't have that extreme anti-Semitic bent -- that we know of. Much better to compare him to Lenin, Stalin and Mussolini.

Every one: If you haven't read Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism yet, put it at the top of your to-be-read pile. Combined with what's going on right now, it will give you nightmares.

I very strongly second that!
Best political book I've read in a long time.

322 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:31:29am

re: #316 galloping granny

I think that every voter should be required to prove residency.

The party that regularly cheats happens to be the party that is fighting all efforts to require ID's in order to vote.

323 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:31:33am

re: #316 galloping granny

I think that every voter should be required to prove residency.

Yeah, like a photo of yourself in front of your house and then another of you just hangin' with the cats in the living room.

I think that only property owners should be able to vote. And I'm a renter.

324 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:32:02am

re: #317 maddogg

By election day, none but the true believers and the "hopium" addicts will have any doubt regarding the content of Obama's character.


Can we get that in writing?

325 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:32:13am

re: #278 cjstavern

Will the dems now stop lying?

They would if they knew how.

326 de La Valette  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:32:21am

re: #320 Bubblehead II

It might be less then the DNC had the Denver police take care of.

327 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:32:24am
328 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:32:39am

re: #321 yma o hyd

I very strongly second that!
Best political book I've read in a long time.


Couldn't have come at a better time...

329 Dasher  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:32:51am

Obama's vision for America.. Maybe Michelle O said it earlier this week

"Making America What it Should Be"

I think there model for what America "should be" is Venezuela.

330 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:32:59am

re: #121 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Zardoz is a demented remake of The Wizard of Oz, but I like where your head's at.

Must I be subjected to multiple Zardoz references in the same day?

331 laZardo  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:33:01am

Gonna head to bed, eyelids collapsing. G'night all!

Oh, and re: #290 realwest, I replied again. Sorry I can't stay up too late...you can get in touch through e-mail if possible.

Cheers!

332 maddogg  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:33:02am

re: #324 scottishbuzzsaw

Can we get that in writing?

Yeah. See my # 317.

333 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:33:15am

I wish I knew how to add links!
A Wyo.. hunter had long made res... at Polosi's hotel...
Walked in to reg... w/two rifles and two hand guns in cases and was emediatly thrown in jail!
Made 10,000 bond and now has to hire a lawyer!
Missing his long awaited Elk hunt!
Poor Bastid!
Said he had no idea the bitch was in town!

334 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:33:32am

re: #322 Athos

The party that regularly cheats happens to be the party that is fighting all efforts to require ID's in order to vote.

ID's? Why do da dead need ID's ta vote? Da dead don't need no ID's ta vote. Dey just need to be on da rolls and cast a ballot for us. We don't need nobody nobody sent.

/Chicago Mob..er..Machine

//BTW, Rush is on a roll.

335 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:33:34am

re: #325 realwest

They would if they knew how.

Last night Clinton claimed:

1. More people are without Health insurance. [Lie]
2. More people are living in poverty. [lie]

His audience ate it up. Do they not now that a census was released last week? Jeesh.

336 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:33:43am

re: #330 JamesTKirk

Must I be subjected to multiple Zardoz references in the same day?

Only if they include links to pictures of Charlotte Rampling.

337 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:33:55am

re: #323 Noam Chumpski

Yeah, like a photo of yourself in front of your house and then another of you just hangin' with the cats in the living room.

I think that only property owners should be able to vote. And I'm a renter.

Only property owners have rights?

338 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:33:55am

re: #69 Ben Hur

Let's try to avoid Hitler/Obama comparisons.

Why? They fit, unlike the Bushitler unfounded dredge of the last 8 years...

339 joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:33:56am

re: #14 Cognito

In the vein of this topic, a revisited idea:

Charles, I do hope that at some point today you might consider a post about the ABC reporter arrested for taking photos on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and their donors.

It's bigger than one reporter. It's indicative of a trend -- a threat -- emerging in the Obama mentality. Same goes for his attempt to use the DoJ to suppress the Ayers advertisment. Same goes for him tossing the New Yorker writer off the campaign trail, following the (ironically) unflattering cover. And so forth.

It's a big deal, I believe. Perhaps the biggest of the moment.

Absolutely correct, on target C.

Is there any way to shame these telejournalists into doing their damn jobs? Obama oversaw the expenditure of $49 - $100 million dollars under the auspices of Professor of ReEducation Ayers.

Follow the Money. Bernstein? Andy Cooper? Bombastic Bil O'ReillY?

Not a chance. "All Hail HypnoToad."

340 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:34:01am

re: #295 Athos

Isn't it interesting and ironic that the need for the 'fairness doctrine' is needed because of the challenges with trying to shout down a journalist reporting on facts? Or that it is to eliminate free market conditions?

Both I think. My question, though, is just who exactly gets to decide what is "fair"? Do we have to clutter our airwaves with exactly equal time for every point of view? Does a documentary about pedophilia have to give equal time to NAMBLA to present their case as they will?

341 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:34:03am

re: #265 Zevy

OT

Anybody else having trouble with that Ajax-powered "New Comments" button at the end of the comments? When I click it, it simply refreshes the whole page, while it's supposed to just bring up new comments below it. I'm on Mac Leopard, on Firefox 3.

Your java virtual machine might need to be updated.

I suspect the reason this reporter was arrested because he was snapping pics of the DNC temporary whore house.

342 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:35:21am

re: #325 realwest

They would if they knew how.

Hiya Real - How are you doing?

Of course, you realize, to them, it's not lying, it's just the truth as they (want to) see it.

343 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:35:23am

re: #333 reloadingisnotahobby

I wish I knew how to add links!
A Wyo.. hunter had long made res... at Polosi's hotel...
Walked in to reg... w/two rifles and two hand guns in cases and was emediatly thrown in jail!
Made 10,000 bond and now has to hire a lawyer!
Missing his long awaited Elk hunt!
Poor Bastid!
Said he had no idea the bitch was in town!

Highlight the link in your bowser thingy. Come back here and hit V.

344 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:35:34am

re: #323 Noam Chumpski

Yeah, like a photo of yourself in front of your house and then another of you just hangin' with the cats in the living room.

I think that only property owners should be able to vote. And I'm a renter.

I don't. A good chunk of the country rents these days. And an awful lot of people that can't find their way out of a wet paper bag with a flashlight and a map own a whole lot of property.

345 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:36:01am

re: #333 reloadingisnotahobby

Use the paperclip icon above the text box (upper right). Copy the link into the popup, and click OK.

346 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:36:14am
347 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:36:27am

re: #334 Honorary Yooper

//BTW, Rush is on a roll.

He sure is.

348 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:36:31am

re: #308 buzzsawmonkey

Belmont Club has been researching into this Mansour character and it's looking very strange. There are 2 people named “Dr. Khalid al Mansour”, one is a well connected lawyer & investment banker, the other is a clownish self-styled radical Islamic preacher & author. Now it turns out they may in fact be the same person!

And now this:

A 1981 US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals case between a Union and OPEC. Guess who one of the lawyers for OPEC is? Dr. Khalid al Mansour.

Mansour also worked for Saudi Prince Talal (the one Rudy told to take a hike) managing his African investments.

349 alegrias  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:36:38am

re: #218 Occasional Reader

John Kerry: "So who can we trust to keep America safe? When democracy rolled out of Russia [huh?], and the tanks rolled into Georgia, we saw John McCain respond immediately with the outdated thinking of the Cold War. Barack Obama responded like a statesman of the 21st century."

Meaning... what, John? He called for the Russians to denounce themselves at the UNSC?

* * *

Talk about Kerry's outdated thinking.

Kerry's idea of responding to totalitarians is DOING LUNCH or DINNER with them at their pleasure.

Kerry met with Vietcong (torturers of John McCain and hundreds of US POWs) without preconditions, in Paris! in the 1960s!

Kerry met with Bashar Al Assad in Syria

Kerry met with all sorts of totalitarian creeps from the UN in New York restaurants.

350 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:36:53am

re: #304 The Other Les
What's he saying - can't get broadcast here!

351 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:37:06am

Oh. My. God. Rush just said that Saul Alinsky dedicated his book, "Rules for Radicals," to LUCIFER. Really. This man was Hillary Clinton's idol and influenced Obama. (Rush credits Sweetness and Light blog.)

352 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:37:15am

We have voter ID laws here in GA now (After several lawsuits and stalls). The arguments against it were ridiculously lame.

353 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:37:45am

re: #188 Cognito

What frightens me, moreover, is that a huge segment of the population is not only not resisting the emergent Big Brother mentality, they're embracing it.

I have spent a fair bit of time working in France and the Netherlands in the 90s.

Psychologically, people can get very comfortable very quickly with a huge government that makes many decisions for them supported by a n uncritical media.

In both countries, the media directed all of its skepticism at the "threat" posed by anyone associated with "the right wing".

The vocabulary used by journalists in describing "the right" aligned with what the Obama campaign is now using to describe Kurtz.

The masses get very comfortable with all of that, and get very comfortable with seeing themselves as having been brought to a more economically, physically secure plane where all they have to fear are their fellow citizens that aren't as morally advanced. That is what the Left offers. Then it collapses as the economic and physical security offered by the nanny state turn out to be a PR sham. And, sadly, the media seem to be the last to catch on.

354 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:38:10am

re: #156 JamesTKirk

When Obama says
I won't run on my race
We Heil! Heil!
Right in Obama's face
Not to love Obama is a great disgrace
So we Heil! Heil!
Right in Obama's face

Capt. -

Glad to know I'm not the only one who remembers Spike Jones.

-S-

355 runrabbitrun  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:38:13am

re: #251 doppelganglander

Rush is discussing Kurtz right now. I swear this is going to blow sky high by Monday.


Annenberg/Ayers is hugely important, but I wish that the Repubs would also spend some time on basic policy education talking points, listing the consequences of the fiscal policies of the Clinton years - no drill, the Dems demanding home loan programs for the economically challenged, comparing the true numbers of economic growth and unemployment numbers that led to the Repub congress after Clinton's first years.

Then, as the NYPost does above, recite the foreign policy disasters of the Clinton years leaving us with the bitter fruit of failing with Somalia, Rwanda, Khobar Towers, WTC I, and a greatly expanding global al-Queda.

I blame Rove for much of this - he seems to think that the public is too dumb to understand basic conservative policy, and the White House communications organization was reduced to relying on kindergarten simple bumper-sticker slogans too much of the time.

356 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:38:15am

re: #311 debutaunt

Did you mean to say citizens when you said other citizens? What is the difference?

I'm not sure I understand the question. My point is that journalists are citizens, and cannot be singled out for restrictions not applied to other citizens.

357 jester6  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:38:26am

re: #307 Kenneth

Funny how the DNC has built a nice fake replica of the Lincoln Memorial for Obama to give a speech in front of, attempting to link him to Martin Luther King (who was a Republican, by the way).

It is not just Obama who is showing his hubris. All the people who think a highly choreographed event like this will resonate with people in Fly Over Country might be in for a rude awakening. The people who are putting this show together not only do not understand average American's, they have contempt for them. I am beginning to suspect they are about to make a colossal blunder.

If his speech across like the Olympic Opening Ceremony or Superbowl Halftime Extravaganza he is toast. The half of the population who actually votes are going to have the BS meters pegged. He will not be able to recover.

And since Springsteen and Bon Jovi are set to perform it is looking more and more like Superbowl Halftime.

358 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:38:39am

re: #350 realwest

Here's a link to our Internet stream in Salt Lake.

359 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:38:41am

I wonder if the ABC reporter would've taped the people discussed in this article.

[Link: nymag.com...]

360 de La Valette  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:38:44am

re: #322 Athos

I wonder if there would be less vote fraud if we went to mailed in ballots that were mailed to your address of record.

The kicker would be that ACORN style voter fraud would also carry a Federal Mail Fraud tag. I hope some is looking into this as ACORN and ANSWER are pushing the ground game hard in States with early voting (there was an article on fivethrityeight.com yesterday about it). If they are committing fraud with those mailed in ballots at the same rate that they do with voter registrations.

Registering Donald Duck as a Democrat to score a few rocks of crack is usually a wrist slap from local election officials, mail fraud is 5 federal years for each instance.

361 joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:38:46am

re: #7 Sizzlack

well duh...if you speak ill of the Messiah they will burn you at the stake. He can do NO wrong don't you see!

/HypnoToad

362 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:38:53am

re: #351 doppelganglander

Oh. My. God. Rush just said that Saul Alinsky dedicated his book, "Rules for Radicals," to LUCIFER. Really. This man was Hillary Clinton's idol and influenced Obama. (Rush credits Sweetness and Light blog.)


What I find disturbing is that HC is now being portrayed as a moderate compared to BHO. It ain't so.

363 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:38:59am

Whooo -hoo. You know who else is "sponsoring" the Dems convention? The National Review - and the ad they are running here in New England nailed the Dems to the wall.

364 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:39:27am

re: #340 galloping granny

Of course, the left / Democrats will decide what is fair. And while NAMBLA is entitled to equal time in the example that you provide, conservatives are never entitled to equal time because they are seen as a threat to the left powerbase. We see that all the time, like when that fat pinhead troofer was screaming at and shouting down Michelle Malkin while claiming 1st Amendment rights.

(Don't these idiots realize that 1st Amendment protections do have limits?)

365 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:39:27am

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

The "it can't happen here" is a major cop-out. It did happen here. We just call it the second term of the Wilson Presidency. Restrictions on the press, turning in neighbors for anti-administration comments, restrictions on what can even be eaten or purchased. Jailing people for writing against the war (WWI). And, to top that off, Wilson had the wonderful idea of a multinational, unelected organization: The League of Nations.

It only ended with the election of Warren G. Harding, and later with the repeal of the 18th Amendment.

366 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:39:32am

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

As is so typical with the average American and their attention span of a smushed gnat, the "it can't happen here" meme is so wrong because it has happened here, and more than once. Look to Wilson and FDR for very overt looks at American censorship. Obama will only be carrying on a grand American tradition.

367 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:39:39am
368 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:39:51am

re: #351 doppelganglander

Oh. My. God. Rush just said that Saul Alinsky dedicated his book, "Rules for Radicals," to LUCIFER. Really. This man was Hillary Clinton's idol and influenced Obama. (Rush credits Sweetness and Light blog.)

What?

369 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:40:25am

re: #326 de La Valette

Somehow I doubt that. Anybody have a reasonable count of how many Journalists have been arrested for covering the O's campaign?

370 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:40:43am

re: #349 alegrias

Kerry met with all sorts of totalitarian creeps from the UN in New York restaurants.

And speaking of the futility of appeasement, and subject of anniversaries, we're approaching the 69th anniversary of the date when "democracy rolled out of" Nazi Germany and into Poland.

371 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:41:16am

re: #337 MandyManners

Only property owners have rights?

I don't recall writing anything of the sort.

Voting isn't an individual right; never was. You won't find it in the Constitution. Its up to the State Legislations. And not being allowed to vote doesn't mean that you are not afforded Rights.

372 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:41:36am

re: #351 doppelganglander

Oh. My. God. Rush just said that Saul Alinsky dedicated his book, "Rules for Radicals," to LUCIFER. Really. This man was Hillary Clinton's idol and influenced Obama. (Rush credits Sweetness and Light blog.)

BHO and Alinsky.

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

373 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:42:04am
374 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:42:09am

re: #342 Athos Hello my friend - I'm in a LOT of PAIN right now, but it'll be better in another couple of weeks!
How are you doing?
And is it just me or is Obama doing everything WRONG that a politican could possibly do to win any public office, much less POTUS?!

375 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:42:10am

re: #357 jester6

It is not just Obama who is showing his hubris. All the people who think a highly choreographed event like this will resonate with people in Fly Over Country might be in for a rude awakening. The people who are putting this show together not only do not understand average American's, they have contempt for them. I am beginning to suspect they are about to make a colossal blunder.

If his speech across like the Olympic Opening Ceremony or Superbowl Halftime Extravaganza he is toast. The half of the population who actually votes are going to have the BS meters pegged. He will not be able to recover.

And since Springsteen and Bon Jovi are set to perform it is looking more and more like Superbowl Halftime.

Remember that some of Barry's biggest supporters are Hollywood types and that the people who designed this set also designed Brittany Spear's set for her last (failed) concert tour.

376 Macker  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:42:26am

re: #367 buzzsawmonkey

Well, "Lucifer" does mean "Bringer of Light." In other words, Lucifer is an agent of enlightenment. A light worker, if you will.

Yep, he certainly was....

377 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:42:30am

re: #365 Honorary Yooper

The "it can't happen here" is a major cop-out. It did happen here. We just call it the second term of the Wilson Presidency. Restrictions on the press, turning in neighbors for anti-administration comments, restrictions on what can even be eaten or purchased. Jailing people for writing against the war (WWI). And, to top that off, Wilson had the wonderful idea of a multinational, unelected organization: The League of Nations.

It only ended with the election of Warren G. Harding, and later with the repeal of the 18th Amendment.

Actually the Third Term of Wilson.

378 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:42:32am

re: #362 scottishbuzzsaw

What I find disturbing is that HC is now being portrayed as a moderate compared to BHO. It ain't so.

That's what's scary about BHO and his cohorts.

379 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:42:33am

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

This fundamentally is no different from the same 10 or 15% who defended John Kerry regardless of the proof that he never spent Christmas in Cambodia or any of the other factual assertions made against him. It is immaterial to the fanactics what the facts are - they will mobilize and work to demonize the deliverer of those facts as opposed to providing a factual rebuttal.

When there is no rebuttal, kill the messenger.

380 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:43:21am

re: #373 buzzsawmonkey

She is Fatah to Obama's Hamas?


Absolutely!

381 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:43:32am

re: #347 Athos
WHAT the heck is Rush saying - can't get the broadcast here!

382 Joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:43:47am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Yup, the more he complains the more attention he draws to the story. Exposing the Ayers relationship is one of the few things that really seems to bother him.

Heh.

Esau's bargain, Barry. Don't believe your own clips, dude--you're a pol and that is all.

383 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:43:50am

re: #379 Athos

The truth is what they say it is.

384 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:44:10am

re: #364 Athos

Of course, the left / Democrats will decide what is fair. And while NAMBLA is entitled to equal time in the example that you provide, conservatives are never entitled to equal time because they are seen as a threat to the left powerbase. We see that all the time, like when that fat pinhead troofer was screaming at and shouting down Michelle Malkin while claiming 1st Amendment rights.

(Don't these idiots realize that 1st Amendment protections do have limits?)

No, they don't. They also do not realize that any freedom that is applied only to yourself and those who share your point of view is not freedom at all.

385 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:44:23am

re: #367 buzzsawmonkey

Well, "Lucifer" does mean "Bringer of Light." In other words, Lucifer is an agent of enlightenment. A light worker, if you will.

I must repeat: The Lightworker is not the Prince of Darkness, he is really the Duke of Dimness.

386 Muadib  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:44:33am

Damned Marxists, all of them. They'll cheat to win. When loosing, they'll start a fight. The truth is out there, and it must stay hidden!

387 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:44:36am

Cognito -

Regarding the ABC producer arrest yesterday ...

DId you see the story about some Democratic delegates being thrown out of the same hotel for having "disturbed" John F'n Kerry (who is an idiot) by asking him to have a picture taken with them?

Seems that the hotel (which is hosting the elite of the Democrats) is under orders to tolerate little in the way of proles interfering with the elite.

[Link: newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...]

388 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:44:39am

re: #285 victor_yugo

Good find.

389 soccerdad  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:44:56am

re: #59 Peacekeeper

Be ironic if the Obama campaign is the next thing Bill Ayers Blows up...

Ayers under the bus in 5...4...3...2....

390 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:45:03am

re: #356 Cognito

My point is that journalists are citizens, and cannot be singled out for restrictions not applied to other citizens.

Absolutely. And the inverse also is true, they cannot be singled out for exceptions not applied to other citizens.

391 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:45:14am

re: #352 Noam Chumpski

We have voter ID laws here in GA now (After several lawsuits and stalls). The arguments against it were ridiculously lame.


Around these parts they always use the..It will be a hardship on the poor,as if proving who you are is a financial burden.

392 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:45:14am

re: #368 MandyManners

What?

Saul Alinsky dedicated his book, "Rules for Radicals," to LUCIFER.

I heard Rush read it on the air.

393 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:45:26am

re: #377 The Other Les

Actually the Third Term of Wilson.

Huh? Wilson only had two terms: 1913-1917 and 1917-1921. FDR had four terms (one uncompleted): 1933-1937, 1937-1941, 1941-1945, and 1945-1949(uncomplete - 1945).

394 Iron Fist  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:45:35am

re: #367 buzzsawmonkey

Obama isn't the anti-Christ. He's the Devil Himself!

:-P

395 maddogg  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:45:41am

Hillary and Obama, the trouble started way back.....

396 Bobblehead  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:46:01am

Rush just talked about this. He's mad as hell. Really worked up today.

397 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:46:04am

re: #185 taxfreekiller

No photos of George Soros allowed .

Methinks you nailed it.

398 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:46:20am

re: #355 runrabbitrun

I blame Rove for much of this - he seems to think that the public is too dumb to understand basic conservative policy, and the White House communications organization was reduced to relying on kindergarten simple bumper-sticker slogans too much of the time.

Rove isn't working for the McCain campaign. I dislike simplistic slogans as much as the next person, but if you're trying to get the attention of the Mushy Middle, who are in the middle largely because they don't want to think too hard, bumper stickers are the way to go. You actually need a multi-pronged approach -- serious policy papers for the wonks, sophisticated but straightforward information for the intelligent and interested non-professional, simple but information-packed materials to target the average busy person, and simplistic slogans for the barely sentient.

399 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:46:23am

re: #376 Macker

Yep, he certainly was....

Bad link. You hotlinked just the graphic and the website is unhappy with you. They were politer about it than I used to be.

400 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:46:47am

re: #390 Athos

Absolutely. And the inverse also is true, they cannot be singled out for exceptions not applied to other citizens.

Yes!

401 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:46:55am

Here's the program that Obama doesn't want you to hear.....
Extension 720 Unabridged - 720 WGN - 8-27-08

Milt talks with Stanley Kurtz,a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and a contributor to National Review, about what he's found in the newly opened Annenberg Challenge archives at the UIC Library.

The Obama campaign was invited to participate in the program and declined.

402 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:47:04am

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. And if you keep things covered up...infection.

403 Cognito  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:47:15am

re: #390 Athos

Exactly so.

404 lifeofthemind  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:47:50am

Looking at the Real Clear maps. If McCain gets Colorado or Michigan or Pennsylvania moved to his column it is done. He is in a very good position for the end of the Democratic convention and before the Republican convention. This is doable people.

405 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:47:55am
406 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:48:21am

re: #375 galloping granny

Remember that some of Barry's biggest supporters are Hollywood types and that the people who designed this set also designed Brittany Spear's set for her last (failed) concert tour.

Both sets for B-HO's.
/did I say that?

407 Macker  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:48:26am

re: #399 galloping granny

Bad link. You hotlinked just the graphic and the website is unhappy with you. They were politer about it than I used to be.

Hmph. I can see it....bummer. Here, try this one!

408 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:48:32am

re: #396 Bobblehead

Rush just talked about this. He's mad as hell. Really worked up today.

This is a BIG deal for everyone in the news business, everyone who blogs, everyone on the radio - and even us. If Obama and his horde are allowed to get away with this unchallenged, freedom of the press and freedom of speech will disappear in a heartbeat.

409 Macker  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:48:53am

re: #405 taxfreekiller

NO, he's the frakkin' dynamite?

410 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:49:24am

re: #405 taxfreekiller
And if Obama tries to throw Billy Boy Ayers under the Bus, Ayer's will blow the bus UP!

411 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:49:52am

re: #353 karmic_inquisitor

Prime exmple for this: the U.K. under NuLabour ....

412 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:50:03am

re: #357 jester6

I'm looking forward to the aftermath of this Debacle in Denver. Most Americans were left unimpressed with Obama's Berlin Ballyhoo, specifically the egotism of it all. His response is to build an even greater monument to his ego. Obama is just not getting it. He has to reach out to the undecided to win this election. Shamelessly pandering to his adoring base will backfire.

If Obama thinks he's going to connect with the "regular guy" by featuring a rich rock star like Springsteen who has made a career by posing as a regular guy, he has mistaken for style over substance. Again.

413 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:50:11am

re: #410 realwest

And if Obama tries to throw Billy Boy Ayers under the Bus, Ayer's will blow the bus UP!

He may blow it up even if not thrown under.

414 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:50:28am

re: #408 galloping granny

This is a BIG deal for everyone in the news business, everyone who blogs, everyone on the radio - and even us. If Obama and his horde are allowed to get away with this unchallenged, freedom of the press and freedom of speech will disappear in a heartbeat.

Do you think it's the sort of thing that could actually turn the fawning press against The One? Or at least, make them criticize him?

415 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:50:33am

re: #393 Honorary Yooper

Huh? Wilson only had two terms: 1913-1917 and 1917-1921. FDR had four terms (one uncompleted): 1933-1937, 1937-1941, 1941-1945, and 1945-1949(uncomplete - 1945).

I was saying that Obama will be the Third Term of Wilson.

I should have been more clear on that. Sorry.

416 realwest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:50:50am

Well all y'all it's been grand but I gotta go and do some icing or something cause even after all the pain meds I've taken I'm still hurting - and it's getting worse.
So I'm gonna go for now - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

417 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:51:28am

re: #391 kcladderman

Around these parts they always use the..It will be a hardship on the poor,as if proving who you are is a financial burden.

Yes. Having to do anything for myself is an incomoprehensible burden. ;)

We provide Voter Cards for free and the Government will come pick your lazy butt up and take you to the poll on election day. Not to mention that you can't cash a check, board a plane, or open a bank account without a license... The Georgia Legislature is working really hard lately to step back into the reality of personal responsibility and freedom.

418 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:51:38am

re: #360 de La Valette

I understand that we already have adequate laws on the books regarding mail fraud that can be applied to balloting by mail. Perhaps that is the way to go. But, there is also no reason why we cannot place similar laws on voting as it takes place now and enforce them strictly. But there is no will to really enforce the rules. Until that will appears, we will continue to deal with the fraud that we are dealing with today.

One party does not want stricter rules and tighter enforcement. They would lose a benefit if those things happened. Therefore they will contest it in every way it matters.

This is a fundamental problem. Until it gets address, we have to follow the guidance from Hugh Hewitt's book - "If it's not close, they can't cheat".

419 Joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:51:46am

It may have been Solzenitsen who described totalitarian mind control:
"It was as if they wanted to take this lie and force it deep into your soul."

What is most frightening is how adept, how adroit and facile the lie machine has become. Alinsky said that true success in revolutionary action is seen when ends outweigh means, and when the cadres act without instructions, doing and thinking instinctively as the Party dicta would wish.

420 alegrias  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:51:47am

re: #322 Athos

The party that regularly cheats happens to be the party that is fighting all efforts to require ID's in order to vote.

* * *
And sanctuary cities mean never having to say who you are or where you're from...how free for thee but not for me, who pays for it!

421 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:51:48am
422 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:51:54am

re: #416 realwest

Well all y'all it's been grand but I gotta go and do some icing or something cause even after all the pain meds I've taken I'm still hurting - and it's getting worse.
So I'm gonna go for now - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

Take good care and hope you feel better soon.

423 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:51:59am

re: #414 doppelganglander

Do you think it's the sort of thing that could actually turn the fawning press against The One? Or at least, make them criticize him?

I don't. Obama's only trying to shut down speech that disagrees with him. The MSM will be protected by something like this.

424 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:52:18am

re: #416 realwest

Feel better Real!

425 de La Valette  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:52:20am

re: #369 Bubblehead II

I had not heard of any mainstream guys getting arrested in Beijing during the Olympics.

426 Bobblehead  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:52:30am

OMG I've never heard Rush so angry! He's on Biden's bullshit now!

427 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:52:40am

re: #398 doppelganglander

Rove isn't working for the McCain campaign. I dislike simplistic slogans as much as the next person, but if you're trying to get the attention of the Mushy Middle, who are in the middle largely because they don't want to think too hard, bumper stickers are the way to go. You actually need a multi-pronged approach -- serious policy papers for the wonks, sophisticated but straightforward information for the intelligent and interested non-professional, simple but information-packed materials to target the average busy person, and simplistic slogans for the barely sentient.

You cannot read bumber stickers while you're driving down the road, unless you live in California and spend hours on line in a traffic jam. We do 85 on the highway here.

RE Rove - he is not a net nerd. He may know what works in "old media" but I wouldn't call his the be all/end all of answers. Whoever is doing McCain's ads is doing one heck of a bangup job, both with the ads themselves and with getting them positioned.

428 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:53:10am

re: #426 Bobblehead

OMG I've never heard Rush so angry! He's on Biden's bullshit now!

I was just about to post the same thing. I've been listening since 1990 and I've never heard him like this.

429 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:53:25am

re: #426 Bobblehead

OMG I've never heard Rush so angry! He's on Biden's bullshit now!

I was just gonna say that. He hasn't been this worked up in a long time.

I love it.

430 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:53:58am

re: #419 Joan

It may have been Solzenitsen who described totalitarian mind control:
"It was as if they wanted to take this lie and force it deep into your soul."


Indeed. *shudder*

431 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:53:59am

re: #387 karmic_inquisitor

Cognito -

Regarding the ABC producer arrest yesterday ...

DId you see the story about some Democratic delegates being thrown out of the same hotel for having "disturbed" John F'n Kerry (who is an idiot) by asking him to have a picture taken with them?

Seems that the hotel (which is hosting the elite of the Democrats) is under orders to tolerate little in the way of proles interfering with the elite.

[Link: newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...]

Wanting to have a picture with John Effin' Kerry probably should register as suspicious behavior.

/

432 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:54:09am

re: #412 Kenneth

I'm looking forward to the aftermath of this Debacle in Denver. Most Americans were left unimpressed with Obama's Berlin Ballyhoo, specifically the egotism of it all. His response is to build an even greater monument to his ego. Obama is just not getting it. He has to reach out to the undecided to win this election. Shamelessly pandering to his adoring base will backfire.

If Obama thinks he's going to connect with the "regular guy" by featuring a rich rock star like Springsteen who has made a career by posing as a regular guy, he has mistaken for style over substance. Again.

I think this convention bump will be a speed bump to his campaign, a negative bounce in the polls.
I'm hoping 0bama keeps this up; I'm really hoping that Massachusetts goes for McCain, even of only a little over 50%. Boston, Cambridge, etc. are hopeless, but where I live there are signs supporting the troops, and a somewhat more middle of the road outlook.

433 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:54:10am

re: #410 realwest

And if Obama tries to throw Billy Boy Ayers under the Bus, Ayer's will blow the bus UP!

Obama can't throw Ayers under the bus without joining him. That is why the fuss, tantrum and outrage.

434 Muadib  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:54:29am

If Obama isn't a low down dirty Marxist, he's nothing.

435 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:54:37am

re: #414 doppelganglander

The press is supposed to REPORT, not praise or criticize. Praise and criticism belong on the OpEd page.

436 Macker  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:55:15am

re: #421 taxfreekiller

You mean he's going to do something with the tailpipe?

/EWWWWWW!

437 Joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:55:15am

re: #33 POTUS

Their campaign sure is acting like they've got something to be concerned about. I'm interested in hearing what comes out of it in a few days.

Blackout.

Media
Blackout
Immanent

438 Irene NYC  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:55:20am

re: #356 Cognito

I'm not sure I understand the question. My point is that journalists are citizens, and cannot be singled out for restrictions not applied to other citizens.

Well, I think journalists are first amongst equals (as citizens) and should be accorded additional leeway by the police while doing their job. Looking over the First Amendment they are not only protected by freedom of speech, but in this case, freedom of the press and peaceful assembly also.

439 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:55:22am

I couldn't finish Biden's speech last night. It was just too painful to be in his world. If I believed that American was as bad as he described it I would kill myself. I wonder how they manage to get out of bed at all.

...must be the money...

440 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:55:24am

A couple of congresscritters are on Fox talking about the Dems taking the entire Senate and House. They figure they will take it all on Obama's coattails.

441 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:55:33am

re: #434 Muadib

If Obama isn't a low down dirty Marxist, he's nothing.

Damn, one Messiah criticizing the other. ;)

442 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:55:45am
443 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:56:07am

re: #431 OldLineTexan

Wanting to have a picture with John Effin' Kerry probably should register as suspicious behavior.

/


He wouldn't take a picture because they did not have penis straws.

444 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:56:16am

re: #436 Macker

You mean he's going to do something with the tailpipe?

/EWWWWWW!

You ever hear the one about the Aggie terrorist?

He decided to blow up a bus, but burned his lips on the tailpipe.

445 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:56:26am

re: #429 Fat Jolly Penguin

I was just gonna say that. He hasn't been this worked up in a long time.


I love it.


He is on fire - first the Saul Alinsky monologue, now the Biden nonsense.

446 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:56:51am

VDH hits one out of the park today -

Farewell NATO

In the last two decades, the safety of a rich Western Europe also spawned a new continental creed of secularism, socialism and anti-Americanism that embraced the untruth that the United Nations kept the peace while the United States endangered it. But if a disarmed continent counted on continued expensive American protection, then it was suicidal to mock its protector.

If NATO dissolves, Europe will at least receive a much-needed reality check. It might even re-learn to invest in its own defense. European relations with America would be more grounded in reality, and the United States could still forge individual ties with countries that wished to be true partners, not loud caricatures of allies.

447 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:56:59am
448 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:57:14am

re: #374 realwest

I hope that the pain passes and you see / feel improvement quickly. Good to have you back.


As for the campaign that Obama is running, he has had at least 4 real bad weeks even with large elements of the MSM covering him. This was their election to lose and thanks to the hard left that hijacked that party, they are doing the best to lose - starting with picking the wrong candidate.

Perhaps that will be the first historical report about the election of 2008 - both parties apparently picked the 'wrong' candidate and we take another step towards mediocrity by having to choose from the lessor of two evils.

449 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:57:14am

re: #427 galloping granny

You cannot read bumber stickers while you're driving down the road, unless you live in California and spend hours on line in a traffic jam. We do 85 on the highway here.

RE Rove - he is not a net nerd. He may know what works in "old media" but I wouldn't call his the be all/end all of answers. Whoever is doing McCain's ads is doing one heck of a bangup job, both with the ads themselves and with getting them positioned.

I thought we were talking about bumper sticker-style slogans, short and pithy. You're certainly right about how hard they are to read.

Yes, I am loving McCain's recent ads, too. They're short (about 30 seconds) and make the point in few words. I think they tend to support my point that short, punchy sound bites are an important part of a larger communications strategy.

450 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:57:57am
451 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:58:45am

Newspapers and journalists should have to use footnotes on everything that they write.

I know of no other profession in America that isn't required to use footnotes when writing "unbiased" reports.

That's why journalism is not really a profession at all.

452 alegrias  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:58:51am

re: #335 Noam Chumpski

Last night Clinton claimed:

1. More people are without Health insurance. [Lie]
2. More people are living in poverty. [lie]

His audience ate it up. Do they not now that a census was released last week? Jeesh.

* * *
Facts don't matter. We're in the Great Depression and it's the Worst of Times--though Al Qaeda hasn't pulled off another attack against our country here in 7.5 years, unlike in Clinton's terms.

We're winning in Iraq. (But can't say our troops achieve "victory" or are "winning" because that's baaaaaad)

453 Sevoguy  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:59:43am

BILL AYERS MAKES ME WANT TO PUKE.

The Obamanation of Dissolation makes me want to puke.

Joe Biden makes me want to puke.

Hillary and the Hillary Tax make me want to puke.

Hillary's disbarred lawyer husband make me want to puke.

454 Muadib  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:59:49am

re: #441 OldLineTexan

Damn, one Messiah criticizing the other. ;)

Freemen live!

455 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:59:49am

re: #435 Cap'n DOC

The press is supposed to REPORT, not praise or criticize. Praise and criticism belong on the OpEd page.

Someone should tell them that. I guess a better way of phrasing what I meant was "report information that casts a negative light on Obama."

456 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:00:02am

re: #381 realwest

A lot to summarize - but basically discussing how the effort to organize and defame Kurtz as opposed to addressing the facts is right out of Saul Alinsky's book - and Obama's history / education of being educated in Alinsky's activism school.

(I'm listening to him streaming on WABC Radio NYC 770AM)

457 Bobblehead  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:00:14am

Wake up conservative pouters! If you sit this one out your freedom to pout will be gone.

458 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:00:17am

re: #452 alegrias

* * *
Facts don't matter. We're in the Great Depression and it's the Worst of Times--though Al Qaeda hasn't pulled off another attack against our country here in 7.5 years, unlike in Clinton's terms.

We're winning in Iraq. (But can't say our troops achieve "victory" or are "winning" because that's baaaaaad)

It's an alternate reality. And it's freaky.

459 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:00:29am

OT:

Can't concentrate at work today. All I hear is the low rumble of thousands upon thousands of Harleys that have swamped Milwaukee for the 105th Aniv. I am looking at about 100 parked across the street. This place is teaming with them. HArley Davidson 105th Aniversary

460 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:01:50am
461 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:02:07am

re: #460 buzzsawmonkey

LOL

462 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:02:29am

re: #401 Killgore Trout

Thank you for this link!

463 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:02:56am

re: #85 David Simon

They were supposed to be released Tuesday.

[Link: librarian.lishost.org...]

Does Sandy Burglar have an appointment for viewing stuffing the collection?

464 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:03:04am
465 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:04:21am

re: #463 DaddyG

Does Sandy Burglar have an appointment for viewing stuffing the collection?

He's allowed to see it, but he has to be barefoot.

466 de La Valette  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:06:21am

re: #418 Athos

The problem is voting rules are developed and applied locally. Mail fraud is good because it is a Federal law.

Given the amount of fraud and the lack of control the Obama campaign is investing in managing these ACORN guys I am sure somebody is getting cute with mail in ballots.

467 Wilderstad  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:06:36am

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

Thanks for your reporting on the event.

468 right_on_target  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:07:20am

re: #69 Ben Hur

Let's try to avoid Hitler/Obama comparisons.

But it's hard, ain't it?

469 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:07:37am

re: #452 alegrias

* * *
Facts don't matter.

That is clearly the case.

We're in the Great Depression and it's the Worst of Times--though Al Qaeda hasn't pulled off another attack against our country here in 7.5 years, unlike in Clinton's terms.

2 Quarter 2008 GDP grew 3.3% percent - more than was expected. Unemployment is 5.7% - almost all of Europe would kill to have 5.7% unemployment.

We're winning in Iraq. (But can't say our troops achieve "victory" or are "winning" because that's baaaaaad)

Of course, any victory is the result of the Sunni Arabs in Iraq changing sides and not the involvment of the Coalition elements. Furthermore, it was also assisted by the political improvements and ability of the Iraqi National Assembly to get things done.....which differs it from the latest Congress. (An el cubo wouldn't get that last point...it's one of those facts they ignore.)

470 perkypauly  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:08:35am

OBAMA's`GESTAPO

This is the first step to destroy us:
"During a speech on July 2 at Colorado Springs a presidential candidate speaks of setting up an armed organization outside either the US military or the state militias.

The speech is 26 minutes 44 seconds. The relevant passage occurs at 16:40.

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set... We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."


This has the potential to be a private army. This type of organization,(GESTAPO) created the concentraion camps and all the horrors that the Nazis brought to the world

471 de La Valette  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:09:05am

re: #447 buzzsawmonkey

with a voice over by the little girl the tried to kill

472 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:10:17am

re: #466 de La Valette

The problem is voting rules are developed and applied locally. Mail fraud is good because it is a Federal law.

Given the amount of fraud and the lack of control the Obama campaign is investing in managing these ACORN guys I am sure somebody is getting cute with mail in ballots.

Not only are they likely getting cute with the mail-in / absentee ballots, but they have also developed precident with excluding counting a number of absentee ballots from those who generally vote in greater numbers for Republican's - members of the Armed Forces.

I agree with the federal law - but elections are, in this country, ultimately a local thing. That's where the fix has to be made. But there is, where I am in LA County, no will whatsoever to enforce the laws on the books.

473 runrabbitrun  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:11:59am

re: #398 doppelganglander

Rove isn't working for the McCain campaign. I dislike simplistic slogans as much as the next person, but if you're trying to get the attention of the Mushy Middle, who are in the middle largely because they don't want to think too hard, bumper stickers are the way to go. You actually need a multi-pronged approach -- serious policy papers for the wonks, sophisticated but straightforward information for the intelligent and interested non-professional, simple but information-packed materials to target the average busy person, and simplistic slogans for the barely sentient.

Sorry I didn't make my point straight - I know that Rove is not working for Mac. I meant that I blame much of the hideous Republican brand p.r. of the last 8 years on the lack of a serious communications strategy that in fact failed at the very multi-pronged approach you so well lay out! I want the Mac campaign to take exactly that comprehensive kind of program - they're beginning to catch up now, imo.

474 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:13:03am

re: #470 perkypauly

OBAMA's`GESTAPO

This is the first step to destroy us:
"During a speech on July 2 at Colorado Springs a presidential candidate speaks of setting up an armed organization outside either the US military or the state militias.

The speech is 26 minutes 44 seconds. The relevant passage occurs at 16:40.

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set... We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."


This has the potential to be a private army. This type of organization,(GESTAPO) created the concentraion camps and all the horrors that the Nazis brought to the world

This has always reminded me of the Hitler Youth...

475 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:14:13am

re: #473 runrabbitrun

Sorry I didn't make my point straight - I know that Rove is not working for Mac. I meant that I blame much of the hideous Republican brand p.r. of the last 8 years on the lack of a serious communications strategy that in fact failed at the very multi-pronged approach you so well lay out! I want the Mac campaign to take exactly that comprehensive kind of program - they're beginning to catch up now, imo.

I would agree with you. The Bus Presidency has been almost completely unable to articulate its objectives and achievements. As well as defend itself well.

476 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:14:34am

I wrote "Bus".... hehe...

477 Joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:15:10am

re: #64 rawmuse

"The Fairness Doctrine" will be resurrected, new officers will be selected for the FCC, and don't be surprised at all if "hate speech" on web sites like this one will make it a target for a shut down, with lists of all the registered being turned over to LE.

The only reason I think this is because the Democrats themselves say that is what they will do.

Yeah, okay let them compile their enemies list (like Nixon 70's); blacklist and witch-hunt (like McCarthy 40's); censor (like the Catholic League of Decency 40's and 50's). Gee. All these Progressives, so full of hate and fear and violence and thuggery--they really are becoming what they profess to despise.

478 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:18:19am
re: #64 rawmuse

"The Fairness Doctrine" will be resurrected, new officers will be selected for the FCC, and don't be surprised at all if "hate speech" on web sites like this one will make it a target for a shut down, with lists of all the registered being turned over to LE.

The only reason I think this is because the Democrats themselves say that is what they will do.

Would they have to have a public hearing first (meaning; could the Reps push for a public hearing)?

If so, I would pay actual money to see Rush, Ingram, Medved, Hewitt, Boortz, et al testify and debate against it on C-SPAN.

479 nikis-knight  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:18:27am

re: #9 SpartanWoman

Crushing free speech= fairness doctrine. In an Obama presidency these guys would be hauled into court

There will be no courts involved, not at first. Just commissions, followed by revoking licenses, then being taken to court for broadcasting without a liscence.

480 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:19:49am

re: #110 lifeofthemind

Everyone here should read this!

481 Athos  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:22:40am

re: #478 Noam Chumpski

Why have hearings and testimony? Everyone knows that only conservative talk radio succeeds therefore all that is needed is to return to the rules prior to 1988. Hearings and testimony is only needed when the Democrat congresscritters want to embarass a Republican administration or to demonstrate how evil oil executives are.

482 Joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:27:23am

re: #77 Spider Mensch

I'm thinking of Sonny Corleone and the photographers at Connie's wedding...

smashing the camera's outside the corleone estate...

and barzini's guys when he's photographed..rip the camera out of the photogs hands and pull the film out...

the dems are looking alot like the old mafia..lol

Thugs. Greedy. Corrupt. An American Nomenkultura.

483 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:27:50am

re: #224 midwestgak

It won't matter what anyone finds out about OB. Every Dem in Chicago will still vote for him.

The dead ones will vote twice.

484 runrabbitrun  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:32:41am

re: #475 Noam Chumpski

I would agree with you. The Bus Presidency has been almost completely unable to articulate its objectives and achievements. As well as defend itself well.

You got that right, with an emphasis on a refusal to defend itself well.

485 Joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:33:05am

re: #459 Creeping Eruption

OT:

Can't concentrate at work today. All I hear is the low rumble of thousands upon thousands of Harleys that have swamped Milwaukee for the 105th Aniv. I am looking at about 100 parked across the street. This place is teaming with them. HArley Davidson 105th Aniversary

Drove through Milwaulkee just 48 hours ago--I wondered why so many Harley's out and about. Well, the good news is, it's a U.S. Company. It's good to see guys out doing guy things--and of course kudos to adventurous women who are into Harleys.

486 Joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:35:49am

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

That photo of Obama on the stairs, bathed in light, in the attitude of a Renaissance saint, really creeps me out.

"Blessed are the Cheesemakers."

487 right_on_target  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:45:59am

re: #252 Cognito

I don't think there's a need to compare Obama to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin or any other of that stellar cast. He hasn't perpetrated the murder of millions, so the comparison weakens criticism rather than strengthens it.

He has given us plenty of material, all by himself. The things he has done beg for strenuous criticism.

Yes, Obama, if elected, will be remembered in a class all by himself. And that memory will not be a good one.

488 Joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:48:25am

Buzzsawmonkey #346
"More, the "it can't happen here" delusion is thick and strong. People don't like to think badly of other people; "Surely you're exaggerating. It won't come to that. It can't happen here." This delusion is widespread and dangerous, because it blinds its holders to any assessment of danger."

It can happen here in great part because of the "Re-Education Reforms" that have stolen from at least two generations of youngsters any sense of history, logical debate, geography, patriotism. It's all leftist "social studies" and blatant socialist indoctrination in government schools. To me it is a miracle that we can field so fine a military, with courageous, patriotic and very bright warriors.

We may have the government we deserve for our sloth and cowardice--but we have a far, far more excellent core of honor and valor than we dared dream of deserving this far down the path of oblivion.

489 talking stick  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:48:26am

Obama’s Greek Revival stage has been compared to the Parthenon in some reviews.

However, the shocking truth is a closer similarity to the, Zeppelintribüne, created by Nazi architect, Albert Speer, for The Third Reich. This was where Hitler would give long winded speeches to the subservient masses at the Nuremburg Parade Grounds.

Thematically, this heroic style of architectural propaganda is more befitting the politically pompous ‘cult of personality’ of a third world strongman than of a democratic republic’s more egalitarian posturing. Yet, this doesn’t seem out context with other ‘brown shirt’ manifestations of Obama’s ‘hero’ stylistics. All Obama needs now is a latter day Leni Riefenstahl to complete the bigger than life buffoonery.

……dream on, Michael Moore

490 alegrias  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:50:28am

re: #484 runrabbitrun

You got that right, with an emphasis on a refusal to defend itself well.

* * *
Scooter Libby tried to defend himself but State Department insiders like Colin Powell & Richard Armitage held back THEY were the guilty party, "outing" Valerie Pflame.

How about the FACT this administration put COUNTRY first, winning the war overseas & keeping us safe at home?

These folks took a brutal beating and kept doing their duty, while everyone took shots at them 24-7-365.

Where were their defenders, keeping their back? They are humans too.

491 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:51:38am

A Chicago labor union activist of liberal persuasion has a fascinating blog about the relationship between the Ayers family (both Bill and his liberal father, Tom) and Obama here: [Link: globallabor.blogspot.com...]

They were allies in seeking Ayers's proposed "reform" in the Chicago public school system, meaning transition of public schools into socialist training camps.

Apparently, both Bill and Tom Ayers helped jump-start Obama's career.

492 alegrias  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 10:53:17am

re: #491 quickjustice

* *
nice--repost this on other threads please.

493 nikis-knight  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 11:00:08am

re: #241 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget "fictitious." Why should someone be prevented from voting simply because they have never existed?

Big reality is ripping us off!

494 Joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 11:02:09am

re: #451 Noam Chumpski

Newspapers and journalists should have to use footnotes on everything that they write.

I know of no other profession in America that isn't required to use footnotes when writing "unbiased" reports.

That's why journalism is not really a profession at all.

Noam, of course our current journalists are part of a profession, the oldest profession. And for chump-change at that.

495 Joan  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 11:05:45am

re: #252 Cognito

Okay. Can we compare him to Evita? heh.
Your point is well taken though

496 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 11:20:20am

re: #485 Joan

Drove through Milwaulkee just 48 hours ago--I wondered why so many Harley's out and about. Well, the good news is, it's a U.S. Company. It's good to see guys out doing guy things--and of course kudos to adventurous women who are into Harleys.

Lots and lots of Women Harley riders here - year round. Great company. Occassionally try to get a job with them.

497 Arbalest  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 11:38:12am

The excessive reaction by the Obama campaign to criticism of Ayres is disturbing. Why such an intense reaction?

Obama has known Wright for more years, likely has had more contact with him, and was in a clear pastor-and-his-flock relationship, with Obama being a member of the flock. Obama states that he consulted Wright about running for President, and prayed with him, yet when the truth about Wright’s racist, anti-American church came to light, Obama seemingly abandoned him.

So why is Ayres different? How is a man who once planted bombs in America, and apparently tried to kill Americans, less offensive to the American public than an anti-American racist preacher (who retired to a gated, 93% white, community)?

There seems to be major concern on the part of the Obama campaign about the contents of the UIC papers; why? What will they reveal?

They appear to be from a time when Obama served with Ayres on the board of the CAC, dispensing money. Obama was Chairman, and from currently available reports, CAC essentially failed. Obama failed at this particular multi-year executive position.

Obama seems quite the orator when he has a teleprompter, but can’t really answer questions off-the-cuff. The policies he’s revealed, to date, are simplistic, jingoistic, warmed-over 60’s radical policies of failure.

Who made the recommendations as to which groups to fund? How many of these groups are organs or closely affiliated with certain members of Chicago / Cook County / Illinois state politics? Where did the money go?

Who really ran the CAC? Perhaps the papers will tell us. I’m betting on Ayres, with Obama as a figurehead.

Bonus question: Did ACORN or ANSWER, or the entities that would later become A. and A., receive substantial funding during these years? There already seems to be an $800,000 link from Obama.

What are the chances that the papers show one or more controlling links; Obama took, and still takes, guidance from Ayres, either as a mentor / creditor, or as a conduit from others?

Perhaps the papers show that Obama can’t break the (Chicago-style) links.

Perhaps there are links, and really ugly, embarassing and possibly questionably legal, ones, to Tom Ayres and other "respectable" Chicago politicians.

Who, in the rest of America, would vote for this sort of candidate?

498 vagabond trader  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 11:44:13am

Nothing cuts deeper than the unvarnished truth. As the librals are so fond of repeating, "Truth to Power"

Is there any way we can express our support of Stanley Kurtz? Will there be any blowback against the station who aired the interview?

499 Jinx  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 12:11:26pm

re: #9 SpartanWoman

Crushing free speech= fairness doctrine. In an Obama presidency these guys would be hauled into court

He's already trying to do that. I posted a related article on this a couple days ago. His attack lawyers are already trying to silence ads via lawsuits.

500 Just Another Four-letter Word  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 12:45:58pm

re: #187 OldLineTexan

Is it possible that he disobeyed a police order? I have seen that happen in public and end in an arrest.

It has to be a legal order, the officer has to have just (probable) cause for the order. You can tell an officer that his order is illegal, but be aware of the consequencenses for "disobeying" it.

Afterwards (unfortunately!) you can take the officer or PD to court and get the batsnot fined out of them. Hey, it works for the radicals...

JAFLW

501 baxtrice  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 1:14:31pm

So, who was talking about cronyism last night..hmm..Barack and the dems might want to rethink that line of strategy before attacking others on it.

502 Just Another Four-letter Word  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 1:23:53pm

re: #311 debutaunt

Did you mean to say citizens when you said other citizens? What is the difference?

WHAT difference? If the photographer is a Citizen of the United States, the point is moot. Period. He be a citizen, camera or no...

JAFLW

503 Just Another Four-letter Word  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 1:40:01pm

re: #360 de La Valette

I wonder if there would be less vote fraud if we went to mailed in ballots that were mailed to your address of record.

The kicker would be that ACORN style voter fraud would also carry a Federal Mail Fraud tag. I hope some is looking into this as ACORN and ANSWER are pushing the ground game hard in States with early voting (there was an article on fivethrityeight.com yesterday about it). If they are committing fraud with those mailed in ballots at the same rate that they do with voter registrations.

Registering Donald Duck as a Democrat to score a few rocks of crack is usually a wrist slap from local election officials, mail fraud is 5 federal years for each instance.

We've got vote-by-mail-only here in the Evergreen State, and it looks like the frauds continue. Registration is the problem, not the methodology...

JAFLW

504 Perplexed  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 2:16:41pm

For someone who appears to want extensive change in the US Obambi looks as if he were just another wanna-be dictator with visions of absolute power dancing before his eyes.

I hope that he gets his comeuppance when election night totals come rolling in.

505 Perplexed  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 2:19:54pm

re: #495 Joan

Il Duce. Look at some of the overly smug poses Mussolini did before being dragged around from pillar to post by an enraged Italian mob.

506 dak  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 2:51:46pm

Let me tell you a story. Someone wrote in a blog somewhere that "it's amazing how light the baggage is from violent radicalism to liberalism (he meant left wing politics)" or something to that effect.

What is the effect of having politicians in government that were closely associated with terrorists?

In the 1970, there was a group in Quebec called the FLQ. Your typical left-wing crackpots, they wanted to seccede Quebec from Canada by violent means. They planted bombs, killed people, etc. The Prime Minister, the VERY Liberal (and anti-american, WW2 draft-dodger) Pierre-Elliot Trudeau responded by invoquing the War Measures act to clamp down on these punks. Army troops were deployed, the RCMP burned a few barns, etc. Typical Left reaction when push comes to shove- acting like facists. A left Wing contests of political will where the end justifies the means.

OK so what? Well a bunch of these guys and people associated with them back then are still kicking around. Where? Where else, Canadian politics, education system, media, etc. Pretty much the same story as in the US.

One of my teacher in CEGEP was actually proud (in the eighties) to show us a tape of an interview with one of those homegrown terrorists, where he's sitting right by him at the table. I guess those are impressive credentials for a philosophy teacher (and union rep), in a region well-know for its separatist bend (This was the CEGEP in Chicoutimi, in the Saguenay). Shows you the media were whore too back then.

Did I tell you we have a political party at the federal level whose purpose is to break up the country? You all had a look at the CBC, where Trudeau is still revered (his son was cast as - get this - an army officer in a CBC documentary bout WW1... The son of a draft dodger) endlessly broadcasting anti-american pap.

So do we take to task those now respectable citizens for having been in the orbit of terrorists back then? Supporting an ideology aiming to destroy our country?

Well of course not. They wear suits, conduct politics, and are tenured.

507 dak  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 2:54:36pm

Il Deuce was idolized by the left in the thirties.

508 Bosch Fawstin  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 3:05:10pm

In Islam, 'slandering' someone is merely to expose something that the Muslim doesn't want to be known, regardless of truth of the matter. Obama's acting like a Muslim.
Maybe he ain't acting. Born to a Muslim father, raised by a Muslim stepfather, listed as a Muslim in school in Indonesia, and became a Christian at 27, but Obama claims to 'Never' have been a Muslim.

509 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 3:33:21pm

Charles WTF is this soft core "True" "Summercusp" "Come On, ask me anything" ad in the right sidebar?

Reference

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

3:32 PM PDT

NOT IN CHARACTER FOR LGF AT ALL

get rid of it please

510 Ban Draoi  Thu, Aug 28, 2008 9:18:44pm

re: #110 lifeofthemind

The McCain campaign should get in touch with this guy and have him tell his story at their canvention.

It would not be a bad idea to have other victims of the terrorist left to come forward and tell their stories as well; if Americans could see how ordinary people were targeted by the left it would tear away the mask of "peace and love" that the left has hidden behind all these years.


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