It's Palin
Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:55:21 am PDT
John McCain’s vice presidential pick: Alaska governor Sarah Palin.
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Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:55:21 am PDT
John McCain’s vice presidential pick: Alaska governor Sarah Palin.
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Lively Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:56:21am |
I feel like I'm at Macy's with all these new threads.
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txcamper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:57:32am |
A bold choice. About as much foreign policy experience as Obama, and more executive experience than the other three candidates combined.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:57:40am |
I went ballistic when I heard Carl Cameron on Fox when he referred to her as a "girl".
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Lively Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:57:55am |
At least people are talking.
People could have been saying, Ugh...not him.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:58:05am |
How does the head Lizard feel about this?
/seriously
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:58:22am |
A solid choice. It pumps the base; attacks Democrat weaknesses, and the best thing the Democrats can claim is that she's not experienced enough, which only brings more attention to the fact that Obama has even less - and no achievements to his name.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:58:24am |
I can't wait to fluster my feminist friends by bragging I get to vote for a woman!
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phoenixgirl Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:58:57am |
now when i vote for mccain, i won't have to bring my vomit bucket
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txcamper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:59:08am |
re: #11 MandyManners
I went ballistic when I heard Carl Cameron on Fox when he referred to her as a "girl".
And he kept getting her name wrong. I wonder why his producers weren't screaming,"It's SARAH not SUSAN" into his ear.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:59:17am |
Did Rove just refer to a potential scandal as a "nothing burger"?
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Lively Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:59:32am |
I thought it was going to be Liberman there for a minute.
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princetrumpet Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:59:46am |
Pro-life/2nd amendment/borders/war on terror/security...
Goodbye Osama bin Biden.
I am so effing stoked I can't stand it.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:59:54am |
Her nickname when she played High School Basketball-Guard- was "Baracuda". When she entered politics she got the nickname back! Apparently she is a tough old gal! Good for her. Bring the Democrates on!
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gopninja Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:59:55am |
also currently under investigation. wtf is going on here?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:00:05am |
re: #21 txcamper
And he kept getting her name wrong. I wonder why his producers weren't screaming,"It's SARAH not SUSAN" into his ear.
I wanted to whack him with my clue-by-four.
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Vergeltung Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:00:05am |
re: #16 lawhawk
A solid choice. It pumps the base; attacks Democrat weaknesses, and the best thing the Democrats can claim is that she's not experienced enough, which only brings more attention to the fact that Obama has even less - and no achievements to his name.
exacamatacily. brilliant pick, IMO.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:00:07am |
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ljmw Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:00:19am |
I wanted Romney but I am equally enthusiastic about Sarah. This really ramps up the excitement level. I'm just sorry that I'm going to be away from the media for the weekend. I'll have to play catchup when I get back.
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boatguyjim Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:00:26am |
Clinton supporters will come over to the light in truck-loads now
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Shug Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:00:28am |
I can't wait for the Democrats to argue that she lacks the qualifications to be president since she only has two years experience Running a state.
at that point McCain says, she has at least the same qualifications, and both are qualified to be vice President
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Deafdog Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:00:32am |
This is a borderline shocker. She's got all of the tools and an interesting story, but tossing her into a national campaign without national experience comes with a high, high risk factory.
Question - Does this mean Mac can be persuaded to drill in ANWAR?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:00:43am |
re: #28 rw in san diego
What's the potential scandal?
Something about the state troopers and her sister being married to someone.
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Typicalwhitey Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:00:51am |
Sheesh
Again from the previous previous thread lol
Front paged on kos by kos:
Let's be honest: John McCain clearly wanted Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman, but he was afraid to buck his party's choice ideologues. So then they looked at Mittens, but having a baker's dozen homes wasn't looking so hot. So he figured that with Pawlenty, he might make a play for Minnesota, but that got shot down over the last week as it become increasingly obvious that Biden would wipe the floor with him in their debate.Throw in Obama's ground-shifting speech last night, and it was clear that McCain had to throw a hail mary to just remain in the game, much less be competitive.
So we get Sarah Palin, who has a fairly compelling personal story and is an attractive woman, but has scant political experience, zero name recognition outside of political junky circles, faces an ethical investigation by her own legislature, and will now be forced to run a grueling national campaign despite having an infant child at home.
Those are the marks of desperation, and really, given his precarious electoral position, John McCain had no choice
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Alberta Oil Peon Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:01:08am |
Good choice on McCain's part. Gives his ticket a nice blend of youth and experience, and Palin's honesty and conservative credentials are above reproach.
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phoenixgirl Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:01:24am |
re: #27 gopninja
she will be cleared once the facts are brought forward
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Big Steve Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:01:25am |
I like I like.......3....2....1 Obama supporters are calling her too inexperienced.....that is the something calling the something something!
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twincitiesgirl Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:01:27am |
Typically McCain--a maverick pick for a guy who likes to surprise people--
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:01:42am |
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Shug Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:01:43am |
Ferraro--First woman nominated to be VP
Palin--First woman nominated who actually has a chance to be VP
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freedombilly Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:01:45am |
This should have the Dems scrambling at least.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:01:48am |
re: #33 boatguyjim
Clinton supporters will come over to the light in truck-loads now
For sure? They're mostly pro-choice.
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Ol Yaler Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:01:54am |
This gives the Republican ticket a chance to rebrand itself as a reform ticket and put deficit spending, earmarks and corruption behind it. The dynamics of this race have changed at the presidential level and may have changed at the congressional level as well.
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joecitizen Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:02:02am |
ballsy choice (so to speak)...if your a poker player,the senator just went 'all in' with a 7-2 off-suit...now if he only appoints John Bolton as sec.state we'll be cruisin'...
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bosforus Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:02:05am |
Palin. Yes! She and Romney were always at the top of my short list.
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razorbacker Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:02:10am |
Eggggssssseeeeelllllent.
I love the smell of moonbat heads exploding in the morning.
It smells like victory.
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HypnoToad Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:02:11am |
Great!
After what happened to Hillary at the Dem convention, this immunizes half of the Rep ticket from most attacks or the Dems lose a lot of female support. It might also torpedo Hillary's political future depending on her conduct during this campaign. If she shows anger at being cut out of the first presedential ticket with a woman on it, shes done.
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SpartanWoman Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:02:11am |
My first choice was Romney, but Palin will do nicely. Every time the media mentions lack of experience it will only underscore the disaster that is Obama..lol. And GOPers can point to the experience at the top of the tiicket where it matters most!
Hooray, it is not Huckabee!
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grahamski Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:02:13am |
While I understand why she was picked, I think it will backfire....
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Zippy_Slug Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:02:17am |
re: #11 MandyManners
I went ballistic when I heard Carl Cameron on Fox when he referred to her as a "girl".
Did anyone else notice in an interview with Jimmah Carter calling Barry Hussein a "black boy"... Was on Rush (yesterday?).. Rush was considering doing the same to see if there would be an outrage at him.. heh
Great choice for McCain.. I would have picked her right after FRED!
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Fat Jolly Penguin Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:02:36am |
re: #17 Sharmuta
I can't wait to fluster my feminist friends by bragging I get to vote for a woman!
I'm just imagining my moonbat sister's reaction. She was a Hillary gal for the sole reason that Hillary was, well, female.
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:02:51am |
It's amazing how - even with her fairly thin resume - she is more qualified, in terms of experience, than the Dem presidential candidate!
Also, let's note the timing on this. ("Barack who"?...)
You gotta love her!
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Vergeltung Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:02:53am |
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:03:05am |
August 29, 2008
Dem Platform is for Whiners
By Robert Robb...
The soul of the Democratic philosophy is summed up in this passage from the platform: "For decades, Americans have been told to act for ourselves, by ourselves, on our own. Democrats reject this recipe for division and failure."
...
This is just incredible. This should be spread far and wide. This is a rejection of the very foundations of this country.
If this is a recipe for "division and failure," why has America been one of the most stable and economically successful countries on Earth for decades?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:03:24am |
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:04:07am |
I'm really afraid McCain just lost.
Hillary lovers... come on over!
Hillary lovers will never support Palin.
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joncelli Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:04:13am |
re: #44 Charles
It's a valid concern, and a drawback; but as long as she doesn't try to force creationism into policy -- i.e., maintains separation between church and state -- not a deal killer.
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:04:14am |
I love this choice! I'm thrilled!
Finally a reason to get excited about this ticket
Charles,
I'm not happy about her being a creationist either but frankly that's a small price to pay
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amphibian Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:04:14am |
Does anyone know anything about the woman? I have come to have a very good opinion of Sen. McCain's character lately, and think that there may be some good judgment there as well, so his choosing Gov. Palin as a running mate speaks in her favor. But what about concrete information?
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Lively Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:04:19am |
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Pyrocles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:04:26am |
Well, she has the freedom to believe what she wants...As long as she doesn't push it on the rest of us.
re: #44 Charles
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
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Yishai Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:04:28am |
Watch the McCain announcement LIVE:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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Iron Fist Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:04:33am |
re: #23 Lively
That would have been a disaster. McCain would have lost the Presidency with that pick. This is a brilliant pick. It defuses Obama's "historicness", and mollifies the base. That latter is critical. As I've said before, the art of winning the Presidential election is to hold your base, and appeal to moderates. McCain does the "appeal to moderates" thing quite well, too well, in fact to hold the base by himself. Palin will hold the base, and appeal to those who wanted to vote for Hillary! because of her second X chromosome.
Well done. I didn't think McCain would do this. I am pleasantly surprised.
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michaelhop Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:04:43am |
Don't know much about her, but from what I'm quickly reading, what an incredible pick.
To all those PUMA's - COME ON DOWN to McCain/Palin.
Sorry HRC, you should have been a Republican.....all that work setting yourself up for 2012 down the drain.....
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:04:45am |
re: #38 Typicalwhitey
Translation: Oh we are in so much trouble! :-D
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SpartanWoman Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:04am |
re: #44 Charles
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
As much as I am NOT a creationist, the origins of the species and life on earth is a non-issue for me. Evolution does not fill my tank, win wars or keep my taxes down.
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:05am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. I'm not thrilled.
Sarah Palin is a creationist.
Say it ain't so!
Well, we've had a lot of Creationist presidents, and it didn't kill us.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:07am |
re: #44 Charles
Well, that's a bummer.
However, the rest of it looks good. Maybe she won't bring up creationism.
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Shug Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:12am |
re: #63 arizona9
I'm really afraid McCain just lost.
Hillary lovers... come on over!
Hillary lovers will never support Palin.
You don't need all of them.
But you might get enough of them to make the difference in a close race.
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Zippy_Slug Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:16am |
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Junior Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:27am |
Give me a break people. Who cares if she is a creationist. We're talking about being VP and helping to take on Islamic-fascism. If the fact that she is a creationist will make you be disappointed, then all you are doing is showing your religious zeal for evolution and nothing more. Tell me, is that religion that important to you?
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maddogg Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:28am |
This news has got the women in my plant dancing a jig. I also noticed that Palin is pulling 70 % positive vote at the TMZ on line poll. I don't know much about Palin but so far it seems the McCain campaign has knocked it for a long one.
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HoosierHoops Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:28am |
re: #33 boatguyjim
Clinton supporters will come over to the light in truck-loads now
I checked out some PUMA sites..They seem to really like the pick..
/welcome Clinton supporters!
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rabidsquirrel Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:35am |
re: #37 MandyManners
Something about the state troopers and her sister being married to someone.
I think her ex brother in law was a State Trooper, and there are allegations that she got him fired.
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Sizzlack Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:45am |
I don't know much about her but she is certainly easier on the eyes than Joe Biden.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:49am |
Is it good? 'Hope' that sucks out all the Hilary votes from BHO.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:58am |
re: #48 MandyManners
For sure? They're mostly pro-choice.
Yes, I am not convinced that women are going to just knee-jerk vote for a ticket based solely on a female presence.
That would be sexist.
Of course, I am kind of happy to be able to call ALL Dhimmi voters sexists this season. Makes up for me being so racist and all by refusing to vote for a Marxist empty suit and a windbag.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:05:59am |
Charles, I'm not crazy about the creationist angle either...it turned me off Bobby Jindal quite a bit. But I don't think it will get anywhere. McCain is not a creationist, and frankly I think this is an issue Presidents and veeps would rather stay away from.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:06am |
re: #77 Optimizer
Say it ain't so!
Well, we've had a lot of Creationist presidents, and it didn't kill us.
It ain't so.
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Vergeltung Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:06am |
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:11am |
Whatever thunder obama had last night is gone. Utterly gone.
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rawmuse Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:13am |
As for her creationist beliefs (if true), we can not allow the good become the victim of the perfect. In American politics, the only truism is that no one gets every single thing that they want.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:17am |
re: #1 Lively
I feel like I'm at Macy's with all these new threads.
As in they take a long time to load, and the hamsters aren't providing the service we want?
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phoenixgirl Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:21am |
as my late father, may the perpetual light shine upon him, would say,"I'M SO HAPPY I'M DANCING!"
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:36am |
re: #44 Charles
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:
"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.
/not a threat
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Yishai Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:45am |
btw, This is a very shrewd and genius move by McCain. Smells like a Rove move.
If the Dems try to cut her down by her lack of experience....
Too young? Same silence...
And McCain was getting flak for being to Centrist on many issues. Palin shores up his right constituency.
Awesome move.
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Cain Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:52am |
An amazing pick. I did not think McCain had the wisdom to make such an obviously fantastic choice. Finally, a conservative in this race that can energize this base. They'll be getting money now from me and the wife. Obama's goose is officially cooked in my estimation. So refreshing to wake up to news like this after months of fighting off slight feelings of nausea when looking at the choices available. McCain/Palin... all the way now. And you want a good look at the first female President of the US? Take a good long look at Sarah and smile big.
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snowcrash Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:57am |
I don't care if she is a creationist. I am sure many of her positions are different from mine.
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TN_Vol Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:06:58am |
Good pick.
She is attractive, conservative, a sports fan, a reasonable environmentalist who favors drilling in Alaska, pro 2nd amendment and a hunter. I think she can show that environmentalism and additional energy production are not mutually exclusive.
I like it.
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Big Steve Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:07:05am |
Her husband is a oil field operator.....what a refreshing change from lawyers on lawyers.....a real blue collar guy and in the oil bidness....
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txcamper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:07:11am |
Foxnews is gushing.
CNN is towing the Obama line. A commenter on the Corner said that the MSM will turn Palin into the new Kathleen Harris. CNN is getting a head start.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:07:25am |
re: #44 Charles
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.
Bummer.
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Iron Fist Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:07:26am |
re: #36 Charles
So are a large percentage of the GOP base. Probably a majority, if you really get them to think about it. It is not an issue that is on most people's front burner.
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unclassifiable Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:07:32am |
re: #36 Charles
Accepting that I think the critical point is whether she believes that she can use the state to impose those views on it's citizens.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:07:57am |
Maybe they can get Ferraro's endorsement?
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madmama Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:08:01am |
From this mother in regards to another (Palin)!
I personally think it's GREAT!
It will revitalize the Republican party...put a much needed new face on it.
It's going to take away media coverage from Obama...take the steam out of his sails.
We will be able to learn about Palin in the next months....again, great for the media angle!
It will attract that 'older women' category to the voting booths....with votes for Palin.
And from what I see, once people get to know Palin, they will vote wholeheartedly for McCain...instead of holding their noses!
And in 2012.....what about Palin for President!
All along we thought Hillary would be the first woman president......today this pick changes everything!
And along with Palin as President.....let's put Allen West in as VP......first black VP in history! ....then on to President! The first conservative, black Republican for President! Take that Obama! Slam dunk!
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:08:08am |
re: #103 txcamper
Oh please CNN go after her like that - prove you're so in the tank for Obama that you'll rip a woman to shreds like that.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:08:15am |
re: #76 SpartanWoman
As much as I am NOT a creationist, the origins of the species and life on earth is a non-issue for me. Evolution does not fill my tank, win wars or keep my taxes down.
Well, technically it COULD, since we won't stay an economically powerful or scientifically advanced nation forever with a population that doesn't understand basic science.
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:08:21am |
re: #46 Shug
Ferraro--First woman nominated to be VP
Palin--First woman nominated who actually has a chance to be VP
Hmmm... I despise "identity politics", but reality is reality. Let's count now. How many biracial people in America? Now...how many women? Dems were never good at math!
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Cygnus Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:08:48am |
Great pick! You go, girl!
I had no idea that 'creationist' was the new litmus test. For crying out loud, get over it!
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unclassifiable Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:08:53am |
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boatguyjim Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:08:54am |
re: #48 MandyManners
Yes they are But they
1. Want the O man to lose so Clinton can run in 4 years
2. If they have to vote Republican, it's easier now that they are voting for a woman on the ticket
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joncelli Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:09:11am |
re: #96 Killian Bundy
Okay, that's a relief. She recognizes the separation of church and state and maintains it. I don't think we need to be worried unless it comes up again.
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crown_of_feathers Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:09:20am |
Love it...love it...LOVE IT!
This will deflate, a bit, the preposterously inflated Obama balloon.
I have become so, so, so, sick of hearing the name, and seeing the face, of Obama, that any other new name sounds good to me.
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:09:22am |
Her position on creationism is at least not as extreme as Bobby Jindal's, and there's no evidence she believes in exorcism, so she has that going for her.
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
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wccawa Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:09:33am |
This will make the swimwear competition at the VP debate VERY interesting.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:09:40am |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
Bummer.
WHAT?
Did you miss the "not", or am I stoned?
If I'm stoned, why am I not having more fun?
/
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:09:44am |
said that the MSM will turn Palin into the new Kathleen Harris
That's EXACTLY what they will do. They're already doing it. They're already discussing the fact she's under investigation.
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:09:56am |
Are people on this cite SERIOUSLY opposing Sarah Palin for the SOLE REASON that she's a creationist? Is this turning into the LGF litmus test?
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vbspurs Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:09:58am |
Wow! 1 hour to get on LGF! Drudge was down until a moment ago too. WHAT A DAY.
Those of you who are interested in hearing Governor Palin, can catch her on Craig Ferguson here.
For this Brit, she has a wonderfully pleasant, Middle America kind of accent. A bit like Hillary, but more genuine. I love everything about her, ever since I posted about her, 4 months back. HUGS TO ALL!
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Pullus Iulius Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:17am |
re: #63 arizona9
I'm really afraid McCain just lost.
Hillary lovers... come on over!
Hillary lovers will never support Palin.
I guess I am married to the exception to your rule.
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Jinx Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:17am |
This would explain why they're adding the so-called global warming/greenhouse gas plank to the republican stance.
It'll help against the lie that McCain is just another big oil person as she's fought against the big oil while going for energy independence.
I'm not really surprised. I was hoping for Mitt, but McCain wants to lure from the democrat party. Maverick indeed.
The question is now, will the republican party hold together now that the presumptive leader of the republican party isn't interested in thoroughly courting the conservative side?
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Peter Verkooijen Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:18am |
Excellent inspired choice! So glad he didn't pick a safe slick suit like Pawlenty or Romney. This works on so many levels; women, younger than Obama, ANWR, working families, son in Iraq, Washington outsider, etc.
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Piglet-U93 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:18am |
re: #20 gopninja
awful pick. She is a CREATIONIST.
Hey, I am a creationist/evolutionist
There is no contradictions with creationism and evolution except for the purpose-built versus the accidental aspects concerning why life as we know it happens to be at all. I am no accident.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:23am |
Obama campaign is saying that Palin who will Be a heart beat away from the presidency has NO experience. Hum now who is it that is actually running for President that has NO, Absolutely NO, foreign policy experience. Now who is that?
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:23am |
re: #121 wccawa
oh dear G-d I don't wanna see Biden in a frakking swimsuit!
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:25am |
Note to Palin: Ixnay on the frosted lipstick.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:35am |
jeez, when are McCain & Palin going to come out already?
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ljmw Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:43am |
re: #84 rabidsquirrel
Her aids persuaded the powers that be to fire him because he was beating her sister. Gonna be hard to spin that into a negative.
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David Baker Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:43am |
Come November, weeping Oprah better get her false eyelashes surgically attached.
Meanwhile, Sarah has been cleaning up Alaska, such as strongly opposing Ted Steven's Bridge To Nowhere. She's a genuine reformer with no patience for the political cesspool.
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BrianA Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:43am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. I'm not thrilled.
Sarah Palin is a creationist.
I don't see anything wrong with someone who has a religious conviction. This is a bogus litmus test.
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:49am |
YES, yes & yes.... she is everything McCain isn't.
I feel like dancing. (-:
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SpartanWoman Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:52am |
re: #111 Tigger2005
Well, technically it COULD, since we won't stay an economically powerful or scientifically advanced nation forever with a population that doesn't understand basic science.
Rubbish. The origin of life is an esoteric debate at best and has squat to do with oil exploration or taxation. A big non-issue, far below the economy, energy, war and peace, fairness doctrine, health care.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:52am |
re: #107 unclassifiable
Accepting that I think the critical point is whether she believes that she can use the state to impose those views on it's citizens.
She said she would not
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:57am |
re: #120 Charles
Her position on creationism is at least not as extreme as Bobby Jindal's, and there's no evidence she believes in exorcism, so she has that going for her.
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
But she has actual executive experience, whereas obama has none. They can't attack her for it, it reflects on obama.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:10:59am |
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:11:16am |
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
That's how I see it. They just tossed on of their best arguments off the table.
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:11:26am |
re: #113 Cygnus
Great pick! You go, girl!
I had no idea that 'creationist' was the new litmus test. For crying out loud, get over it!
You'd better get used to it, because I'm not going to "get over it."
And this is not a litmus test for me. But it is a problem, and a serious one.
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joncelli Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:11:30am |
re: #120 Charles
Respectfully, I think executive experience trumps legislative experience in most people's minds. There are too many senators in this race as it is.
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Cygnus Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:11:36am |
re: #121 wccawa
This will make the swimwear competition at the VP debate VERY interesting.
Bikini vs. Speedos? Better stock up on eye bleach.
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:11:40am |
re: #88 OldLineTexan
Yes, I am not convinced that women are going to just knee-jerk vote for a ticket based solely on a female presence.
That would be sexist.
Of course, I am kind of happy to be able to call ALL Dhimmi voters sexists this season. Makes up for me being so racist and all by refusing to vote for a Marxist empty suit and a windbag.
I heard a woman say she was going to vote for Hillary in the primary because she was a woman. It's sexist, and not very bright, but remember that half the voters are of below-average intelligence (by definition).
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Big Steve Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:12:04am |
re: #120 Charles
Her position on creationism is at least not as extreme as Bobby Jindal's, and there's no evidence she believes in exorcism, so she has that going for her.
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
IMHO being a governer, with real operational authority greatly trumps senate experience. I would put it at 3:1 so her three years as governer equals nine years as a senator.
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tradewind Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:12:14am |
Shut UP!
Hanging up my prediction shoes.
She's great, but Karl is not happy, so I am not sure.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:12:19am |
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Atweber Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:12:27am |
Brilliant choice --I didn't think Mc Cain had it in him.
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cblesz Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:12:32am |
re: #130 Nevergiveup
Obama campaign is saying that Palin who will Be a heart beat away from the presidency has NO experience. Hum now who is it that is actually running for President that has NO, Absolutely NO, foreign policy experience. Now who is that?
Hey! The Democrat is running is a former community organizer! In the Saul Alinsky case nonetheless.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:12:36am |
re: #124 Defector01
Are people on this cite SERIOUSLY opposing Sarah Palin for the SOLE REASON that she's a creationist? Is this turning into the LGF litmus test?
I'm not. I like the pick. She evidently does not believe in using the State to force this view into science classrooms.
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rawmuse Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:12:42am |
re: #84 rabidsquirrel
I think her ex brother in law was a State Trooper, and there are allegations that she got him fired.
I also hear the BIL was beating his sister, which is why Palin came after him.
I got no symp for physical abusers.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:12:44am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. I'm not thrilled.
Sarah Palin is a creationist.
I can forgive it as long as it it not pushed on us. I rather like the fact she strove to clean up her own city's government, and then the Alaska state government.
Ditto for my own Lt. Governor, Pat Quinn. He's a Dem, a liberal, but I like him because he strives to clean up Illinois government inspite of Blagojevich, Ryan, and Daley.
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Zippy_Slug Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:12:45am |
re: #120 Charles
At least she has executive experience.. where Barry Hussein has never run anything in his life..
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:12:46am |
re: #124 Defector01
Are people on this cite SERIOUSLY opposing Sarah Palin for the SOLE REASON that she's a creationist? Is this turning into the LGF litmus test?
No, it just doesn't freaking help. That issue alone could fill hours upon hours of cable tv. I'm worried about the ol' VP motto...do no harm.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:13:02am |
Her enemies, and they really hate her guts, in both parties are the business as usual, corruptocrats and we work for government so you can't fire us crowd. They will desperately try to smear her because she threatens the root of the tree for hacks in either party. A standadard get along to go along politician, like Biden or Ridge (one for either party) may have disagreements but they are not seen as dangerous. McCain/Palin threatens real change, expect torrents of slime to be thrown at them.
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macbrooks Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:13:09am |
I'm stoked. What an incredible election year!
mac :]
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:13:15am |
re: #143 arizona9
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
That's how I see it. They just tossed on of their best arguments off the table.
No. She has at least as much experience as Obama. Probably MORE. She actually has 2 years of executive experience. If Obama wants to have this argument and he is running for President. Bring it on!
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:13:16am |
Just heard a middle aged gal talking to two other middle aged gals in my liberal liberal area; 'Did you hear who McCain picked, Sarah Palin, Governer of aAlaska, she's 44... has kids... knows nothing...It's a Dan Quale Moment.'
Feh.
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SpartanWoman Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:13:17am |
re: #120 Charles
Her position on creationism is at least not as extreme as Bobby Jindal's, and there's no evidence she believes in exorcism, so she has that going for her.
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
And every time the obots mention this it will highlight the inexperienced TOP of the dem ticket...lol
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Dizzy26 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:13:27am |
This beautiful choice is going to frost the turban off Osama Bin Obama Ladin,
I mean, being a female and all.
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:13:36am |
re: #152 Killian Bundy
/how do you figure that?
She's been a governor for less than half the time Obama's been a senator, for starters.
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wccawa Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:13:50am |
re: #120 Charles
Disagree, Charles. The more the issue of "inexperience" is brought up in regards to SP, the more that particular light is amplified directly onto BHO.
At least that's the way I see it. But it's early in the game.
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hilchar Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:13:51am |
She is accused of trying to get a state trooper fired. He was her brother in law and abusive. He tasered their child.
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cblesz Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:13:55am |
re: #148 Optimizer
I heard a woman say she was going to vote for Hillary in the primary because she was a woman. It's sexist, and not very bright, but remember that half the voters are of below-average intelligence (by definition).
Yup, let's see if those women who were voting for Hillary simply for a woman will vote for Palin?
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Spiny Norman Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:08am |
Reposted form the DT:
On the negative side, McCain just threw away his best argument: that the Obamarama lacks leadership experience. They have absolutely no room to complain now. Besides, many are going to see this as deliberately pandering to disgruntled Hillary supporters, and the Media talking heads will play that up for all it's worth.
I agree with Krauthammer: this is a very risky move.
And by the way, I am NOT a "pro-gun control metrocon".
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snowcrash Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:09am |
Obama handed McCain a long list of points for rebuttal in his speech last night. If the "experience issue" is off the table so be it, there are plenty of other issues.
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Syrah Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:09am |
That giant sucking sound you here is the wind being taken out of the Obamasiah's campaign.
Convention. Someone had a convention, . . . gave a speech about what?
It's Sarah Palin!
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:09am |
She has 5 years of executive experience- that's more than obama or biden can say.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:10am |
I think it's good because the left with trash her - which will backfire.
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BigJohn Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:17am |
The creationist thing is Minute in the big picture of things.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:18am |
re: #145 Charles
You'd better get used to it, because I'm not going to "get over it."
And this is not a litmus test for me. But it is a problem, and a serious one.
How much influence can a VP have over the national debate?
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MijaCat Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:25am |
Excellent! Great pick!
Very happy to see McCain on the offensive, rather than just attack, he's going for some substance, and Palin is red meat for the base.
McCain I can't love. He's too far to the center.
McCain/Palin I can get behind.
Besides, think what this does for Clinton 2012 ... (big evil grin)
Mew
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rabidsquirrel Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:30am |
re: #135 ljmw
Her aids persuaded the powers that be to fire him because he was beating her sister. Gonna be hard to spin that into a negative.
And yet, the Democratic propoganda machine will give it the 'ol college try.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:31am |
Could have been infinitely worse.
/could have been Huckabee
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:38am |
re: #145 Charles
You'd better get used to it, because I'm not going to "get over it."
And this is not a litmus test for me. But it is a problem, and a serious one.
She made a comment off hand that she sees no problem with it being discussed and she is NOT in favor of any state mandate to teach it in public schools. Then she said she believed in G-D. That is not so out of line.
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:14:51am |
re: #159 arizona9
this is about the ONLY bad thing about her, i don't care about that especially as a VP. We've been rotating between horror and hope between Joe Lieberman/Tom Ridge and Mitt Romney, and this is the bloody complaint? She believes in creationism? Look I don't back that stuff at all but what she brings on one side of the scale and creationism is on the other, then it so doesn't matter.
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captkirk35 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:09am |
re: #55 grahamski
I don't think so. Her "negative" is experience, but every time the Obama campaign mentions it, 'Pot calling kettle black' will come to mind.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:14am |
re: #166 Charles
She's been a governor for less than half the time Obama's been a senator, for starters.
And he has done what as Senator?
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Czarny_Smok Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:19am |
Almost went into withdrawal this morning trying to log in, finally made it!
Awesome! What a choice! McCain is a sly old fox, what a way to stand the media on its collective heads, and just before a 3 day weekend. This is really gonna PO the Obama crowd, and any attacks on Sarah are going to have interesting repercussions with the Womens vote. OK, I'm finally getting excited now, and may even drag out the checkbook again. Kudos to McCain's advisor's, they done good!
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itellu3times Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:36am |
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Spider Mensch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:36am |
To all those who are over reacting to the creationist "label" already given to VP nominee Palin...if you are looking for the perfect conservative choice, good luck, there is no perfect choice. She is a great pick imo.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:38am |
re: #120 Charles
Her position on creationism is at least not as extreme as Bobby Jindal's, and there's no evidence she believes in exorcism, so she has that going for her.
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
Obama has a lot less experience than she does. Obama has never won re-election to an office. Palin has, as council member, then as mayor. Mayor counts as a lot more executive experience in my book than "community organizer". She's also a governor right now, not a Senator.
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txcamper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:42am |
re: #166 Charles
She's been a governor for less than half the time Obama's been a senator, for starters.
And how much of Obama's experience in the Senate counts? He has zero accomplishment. I expect the Republicans to highlight the fact going into September.
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Alberta Oil Peon Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:54am |
re: #62 Nevergiveup
No big deal
In this case, I agree. Reading the link, it appears to me that she isn't any kind of hard-core Discovery Institute style creationist. Sounds more like she was playing politics, trying to be all things to all people.
/not that that ever happens
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:55am |
re: #168 hilchar
She is accused of trying to get a state trooper fired. He was her brother in law and abusive. He tasered their child.
/and buried the child in her neighbors backyard, on th QT
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cblesz Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:55am |
People...may I remind you...this is the VICE PRESIDENT. Holy crap.
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David Baker Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:15:57am |
Sarah Palin has more "executive experience" than Obama AND Biden put together.
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:00am |
re: #36 Charles
She is entitled to her opinion as are we all; if she respects other's opinions in this area, fine with me.
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filetandrelease Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:03am |
So she is a creationist, hardly a deal breaker. And besides she is cute. And a decent shot with a rifle.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:06am |
re: #184 Nevergiveup
And he has done what as Senator?
Yes, we could actually look at accomplishments versus time in pay grade.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:09am |
re: #141 Sharmuta
But she has actual executive experience, whereas obama has none. They can't attack her for it, it reflects on obama.
But they have already "attacked" - Obama campaign issued a statement that made mention, in a negative way, of her lack of experience.
I cannot get over how Obama and his campaign keep making issues of things for other people that are SIMILAR ISSUES for him. Doesn't he know when to keep his mouth shut?
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Fat Jolly Penguin Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:26am |
re: #175 FrogMarch
I think it's good because the left with trash her - which will backfire.
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:30am |
re: #166 Charles
She's been in office longer still then Obama's 135 days 'present' in the senate. She has alot more experience in formulating policy, she's a reformer and she has legislative history. She's MORE experienced then Obama and she's the VP which means we assume she'll be sitting and learning from McCain's one term before taking the office.
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Joyce Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:40am |
As a woman born in Alaska with a son in the military, I tickled pink!
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seekeroftruth Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:41am |
Palin earned each of her jobs, unlike Hillary, who used her husband's connections to get hers.
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:43am |
re: #166 Charles
She's been a governor for less than half the time Obama's been a senator, for starters.
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True Charles, yet Gov's get a more stuff done than any Senator.
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yochanan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:46am |
I AM GRINNING FROM EAR TO EAR THIS TOTALLY SHOT TO HELL THE DONKS ISSUE OF MCCAIN AS BUSH3
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christheprofessor Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:16:53am |
I love this. The Dems are already trying to say she's inexperienced...
She's run a town.
She' run a city.
Obama, who runs a Senate committee or subcommittee, can't even figure out how to get it to meet...
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:01am |
She's been a governor for less than half the time Obama's been a senator, for starters.
Well, apparently, the city she was mayor of is the size of a 7/11. Christ, I'm really terrified. I could have lived with Hillary as president. i would have gritted my teeth and endured it. I can't endure Obama.
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unclassifiable Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:04am |
re: #44 Charles
OK That's a lot of political fence-sitting there.
Still does not leave me with a lot of ingformation about under what particulars would those views be allowed or disallowed. Theology discussion? Philosophy discussion?
I hope the people who support McCain or at least are against Obama/Biden will vette her further on this.
Admittedly I support McCain's move as a political maneuver.
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Cygnus Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:11am |
They're coming out on stage right now. Woo-hoo!
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phoenixgirl Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:14am |
i hate mccain, but today i send him money!
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filetandrelease Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:20am |
re: #99 Cain
An amazing pick. I did not think McCain had the wisdom to make such an obviously fantastic choice. Finally, a conservative in this race that can energize this base. They'll be getting money now from me and the wife. Obama's goose is officially cooked in my estimation. So refreshing to wake up to news like this after months of fighting off slight feelings of nausea when looking at the choices available. McCain/Palin... all the way now. And you want a good look at the first female President of the US? Take a good long look at Sarah and smile big.
Bingo!
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:25am |
re: #120 Charles
Her position on creationism is at least not as extreme as Bobby Jindal's, and there's no evidence she believes in exorcism, so she has that going for her.
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
Less at the federal level, but she's been a governor about as long as he's been a senator, and that's at least a chief executive position. She has far more executive experience than Obama (which, admittedly, isn't saying much), overall.
And remember, she's not the presidential candidate. It's an important distinction (although, admittedly, it probably shouldn't be).
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I_Invented_Al_Gore Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:31am |
Someone elsewhere reported that one of the CNN types asked whether Palin can really put in the time & energy on this campaign, because of her baby with Down Syndrome, and those kids take a lot of time...
Response from other commenter: McCain campaign is probably wondering if you'd ask the same question if Palin was male.
I thought we were a little farther down the trail about women. The prejudice about disabilities doesn't surprise me as much. I wonder if anyone in network news KNOWS anyone with Down Syndrome.
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callahan23 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:35am |
On one issue she's got more experience than any of the other candidates, she at least governed a state.
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vbspurs Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:42am |
With respect to those who are denigrating her executive experience, IMHO Sarah Palin has more than Obama.
Being a Mayor of a city, plus a city council woman, not to mention Governor of the largest State in the Union (and a key State in the future of American politics, giving the possible drilling in ANWR), that trumps "State Senator" and "activist".
Whatever the eff that activist word means...
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rawmuse Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:45am |
In place of actual experience the ENERGY issue will now be in the fore, once again, where it belongs. ENERGY! people. It is THE salient issue of this election cycle.
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galloping granny Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:17:55am |
re: #120 Charles
Her position on creationism is at least not as extreme as Bobby Jindal's, and there's no evidence she believes in exorcism, so she has that going for her.
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
Not entirely Charles. She does have far more in depth knowledge of energy issues than either Obama or Biden does. She got a natural gas pipeline built to pump from Prudhomme down into Canada that will go operational shortly. We'll be using that gas down here. She is a military mother and also the statutory head of the Alaska National Guard.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:18:10am |
re: #139 SpartanWoman
Rubbish. The origin of life is an esoteric debate at best and has squat to do with oil exploration or taxation. A big non-issue, far below the economy, energy, war and peace, fairness doctrine, health care.
Evolution isn't really about the origin of life, but never mind.
I didn't make myself clear. The I.D./evolution debate is not confined to "the origin of life." I.D. proponents actually change the definition of science as it has stood for 300 years or more, in order to call their "theory" science. If I.D. were taught in science classrooms, this would accelerate the decline in basic understanding of scientific principles that is already rampant in this country.
That said, I'm excited about the Palin pick. I think she has a Reagan attitude. I have little doubt Reagan was a creationist. But he wasn't the type to try to force religion into science classrooms.
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CIA Reject Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:18:13am |
This pick casts into stark contrast the difference between the two tickets. McCain with an established (and now reinforced) reputation as a “maverick” has chosen a former governor of Alaska, Americas last frontier, while BO has chosen a consummate Washington insider. You can’t get any clearer a divide between the ticket of self-sufficiency, and the ticket of the “nanny state”.
What a country!
/Good Morning Everybody!
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:18:21am |
re: #201 reine.de.tout
But they have already "attacked" - Obama campaign issued a statement that made mention, in a negative way, of her lack of experience.
I cannot get over how Obama and his campaign keep making issues of things for other people that are SIMILAR ISSUES for him. Doesn't he know when to keep his mouth shut?
Let him attack her for it- it reflects on him. If he's too stupid to realize that, I say we let him continue.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:18:25am |
This is the first time I have EVER heard any enthusiasm at a McCain rally. Now that is IMPORTANT!
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Rancher Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:18:59am |
Great call lizards. I like it on many levels, mostly any critics that will complain about her lack of experience fall into a neat trap. For those who say she needs to stay at home with the new baby, well as VP she will have allot more time for that than she did as Governor of Alaska. Hillary has to spitting level 10 venom out her eyes, she will be twice as mad at Obama now. Rush likes it.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:19:13am |
I'm concerned that the "lack of experience" thing blunts one of McCain's best offensive weapons in this campaign. McCain says "Obama lacks experience"; Obama says "your VP lacks experience"; there's mutual assured destruction, of sorts. And that works in Obama's favor, since he's more than happy to let the "experience" question fade out from the race.
And the creationism thing ain't exactly making me happy either.
On the plus side, she seems soundly conservative, and apparently has done a good job as governor.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:19:25am |
re: #222 galloping granny
Not entirely Charles. She does have far more in depth knowledge of energy issues than either Obama or Biden does. She got a natural gas pipeline built to pump from Prudhomme down into Canada that will go operational shortly. We'll be using that gas down here. She is a military mother and also the statutory head of the Alaska National Guard.
Granny- sounds like you are jumping on board!
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itellu3times Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:19:32am |
So, Duncan Hunter's sex change operation, just took too much time?
/this interdweeb thing sure is slow this morning
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gemchick Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:19:40am |
One word: Fabulous!
Shows McCain is actually listening to conservatives. Yeah, Maverick.
Oh, she's a creationist? Seriously, is that the best you've got? The other side's got infanticide. I think we're in a good place.
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Pyrocles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:19:44am |
If Palin becomes the new VP, It's Charles' job to keep her honest, and keep her Creationism out of government.
If Obama becomes the new President, it's Charles' job to...well, he's got LOTS of work to do!
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:19:44am |
re: #166 Charles
She's been a governor for less than half the time Obama's been a senator, for starters.
/compare what they've accomplished in their respective terms of office, not much of a contest
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runrabbitrun Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:19:47am |
Sarah Palin is the new fresh face of the authentic meaning of pro-choice. Her personal experience brought to light the meaning of a woman's right to her own choice; now bring on States' rights to choose.
'Feminist' Dem stepped all over their more-qualified-than-Obama female candidate for both POTUS and VP, and that's a great talking point too.
(not to mention what all this means to feminism's old face: hillary =) )
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Urban Scorpion Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:19:53am |
re: #120 Charles
Eh...
Obama has no executive and low legislative experience while running for a near-purely executive position.
Palin has no legislative and low executive experience while running to be part of an executive position with legislative overtones.
My money's on Sarah Palin for applicable experience.
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kefirah Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:19:57am |
re: #167 wccawa
i think a lot of it depends on how the GOP spins it. yes, WE all think that this highlights obamessiah's inexperience, but how will undecided and moderate viewers see it?
mccain campaign still has to hit it, and spin it, HARD. or else the point is lost.
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Jinx Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:20:18am |
re: #175 FrogMarch
I think it's good because the left with trash her - which will backfire.
You're under the misconception that the left is intellectually honest.
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ROPMA Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:20:39am |
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:20:41am |
LISTEN to this ovation McCain's getting
Palin has done wonders already, I can't ever remember such fire in a McCain crowd!
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WitchDoctor Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:20:50am |
This is friggin awesome, that's all I have to say right now except GO HERE [Link: www.johnmccain.com...] GIVE MONEY.
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phoenixgirl Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:20:54am |
mccain is so f'n happy! i've never seen this side!
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:20:58am |
re: #184 Nevergiveup
And he has done what as Senator?
Vote present, vote against the Illinois Born Alive Act, vote present again, campaign for President.
That sums it up.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:21:03am |
How does she handle the tried to fire her brother in law smear?
Look right in the camera and say, "When a law enforcement officer loses his control and uses a weapon on a child during a personal domestic dispute then he loses his job. Full Stop!"
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:21:07am |
re: #246 Defector01
LISTEN to this ovation McCain's getting
Palin has done wonders already, I can't ever remember such fire in a McCain crowd!
Bingo
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:21:08am |
re: #166 Charles
She's been a governor for less than half the time Obama's been a senator, for starters.
Yeah but one could argue that her short time as governor is much more important than a no-show senator.
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Zevy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:21:20am |
Charles she has more governing, executive, experience than the 3 other combined!
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Atweber Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:21:21am |
Despite Charles' silly war on religion I believe her faith is one of her stronger attributes, also she's a baskeball player--pretty cool! This choice likely gained millions of women voters.
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Kenneth Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:21:26am |
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Yishai Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:21:34am |
He's out and talking...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:21:52am |
re: #254 lifeofthemind
How does she handle the tried to fire her brother in law smear?
Look right in the camera and say, "When a law enforcement officer loses his control and uses a weapon on a child during a personal domestic dispute then he loses his job. Full Stop!"
Yep. Answer the question once, and make it brutally honest.
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Jinx Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:26am |
Did McCain pick her because she looks like the President from Battlestar Gallactica?
:D
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itellu3times Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:27am |
Palin can debate Obama, and McCain can debate Biden.
This is gonna be one hellacious campaign.
The game is afoot.
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mean Gene Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:30am |
Hubby is a Native American Eskimo!
Gotta love that!
Also she walked off of a job in AL government (oil related) because the gov was a butt.
Then she ran against him and won in a landslide.
Ha ha ha.
It is going to be great to have my ''feminist'' neighbors not voting for a woman while I do.
AND....what's this?
Do some here have a ''litmus test" about creation as to who they will vote for?
Are you really going to stay home over something that will have no impact on her years in office?
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:32am |
This election is going to come down to energy policy- in that Palin should put us over the top.
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dentate Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:33am |
This is someone who unseated an incumbent in the primary. If she has to face Joe Biden in debates, she will have all the advantages of being a daring pick with an interesting background, not upstaged by Biden or anyone else in family background, yet at the same time will clearly not be intimidated by someone like Biden. And given Biden's record of foot-in-mouth disease, I am hoping the comparison will make the McCain/Palin ticket look that much better.
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txcamper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:34am |
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wccawa Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:36am |
re: #226 Nevergiveup
You got THAT right. This is the most intense McCain rally I've seen since, well...
The Spanish-American War?
Folks, welcome the foil to Obamania. I give you Pailinmania!
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devil in baggy pants Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:37am |
McCain needs a teleprompter, not notes
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runrabbitrun Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:53am |
WHAT Inesco Obamapalooza?
....oh, that one............
lol
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Syrah Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:55am |
re: #242 kefirah
i think a lot of it depends on how the GOP spins it. yes, WE all think that this highlights obamessiah's inexperience, but how will undecided and moderate viewers see it?
mccain campaign still has to hit it, and spin it, HARD. or else the point is lost.
It will depend largely on how Sarah Palin spins it.
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:22:57am |
re: #239 runrabbitrun
Yes and how many pro choice people ask the child in the womb for its choice?
There is the meaning of choice
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:23:10am |
re: #231 Occasional Reader
And the creationism thing ain't exactly making me happy either.
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Long as there is NO record of her pushing it while in office I don't really care.
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de La Valette Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:23:16am |
1. No ones talking about Obama's speech anymore
2. Does this put the wet side of Washington and Oregon into play?
3. Poor Joe Biden, he has to attack her and look like a cad
4. She may take a few magazine covers from Obama
5. What will be important is how Ferraro and HRC come on this? Its a perfect chance to bury a dagger in Obama's back.
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Han_Solo Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:23:16am |
I was fully prepared to vote Libertarian this year.
But I think we might have got the 2000 McCain back, and I am prepared to go full bore for the guy if he is the gutsy veteran he used to be.
This pick is awesome, awesome, awesome. I think she would be a fantastic pick for president in 2012 too!
The problem with the Republicans is its been the party of 'Whos next in line' for FAR TOO LONG.
Our country needs more inexperienced people to lead. Because these days experience is a code word for 'i have been a life long politician and have not a clue what the real world is like'.
A person with little experience to me is the next best thing to term limits.
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Spiny Norman Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:23:20am |
re: #168 hilchar
She is accused of trying to get a state trooper fired. He was her brother in law and abusive. He tasered their child.
Because of the Palin connection, the Kos Kidz are sure to argue that the kid probably deserved it...
No, I am not kidding.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:23:26am |
Shhhh... McCain is giving a speech. Everyone shhh!
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devil in baggy pants Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:23:33am |
She is his "partner"...
making the strong maverick play for Palin's character.
HELL YEAH!
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vbspurs Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:23:36am |
The reception for John McCain was DEEP and HEARTFELT.
For once in my life, my own feelings for him are the warmest. GO JOHN AND SARAH!
(Oops, is that too Biblical?)
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Salem Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:23:54am |
Well, Obomba is not a Creationist but I still won't be voting for him.
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yochanan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:24:00am |
SHE got ellected to be gov'r of alaska because she faught the crooks up there which is a big problem in alaska.
GREAT CHOICE I LOVE IT
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filetandrelease Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:24:13am |
No pick would make all lizards happy. But the amount of enthusiasm for Palin here is encouraging. That should translate well for the rest of the country.
Is Palin passes the Lizard test, look out country, here she comes.
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unclassifiable Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:24:14am |
I think McCain can take Obama in a debate on positions alone aside and apart from a discussion of experience.
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lopinslow Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:24:31am |
Actuallly she has more executive experience then all of them!
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Peter Verkooijen Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:24:36am |
re: #120 Charles
Her position on creationism is at least not as extreme as Bobby Jindal's, and there's no evidence she believes in exorcism, so she has that going for her.
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
As he should! The McCain campaign (and Republicans in general) needs to stop using the "not ready to lead" line. It doesn't work! "Not ready to lead" implies that some day, perhaps in 4 years, he could be ready. It also doesn't work with young people, who empathize with Obama being told he doesn't have enough experience. The lack of experience is what makes Obama a change agent to them.
Anyway, Palin still has more experience than Obama and is the only one of the four candidates with any executive experience.
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RememberSekhmet? Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:24:40am |
I'd have been happier with Guiliani or Romney, but I suppose Palin is OK. I think she needs some seasoning, just like Jindal does. Hope she's all the social cons have been hyping her to be and not another Quayle.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:24:44am |
BHO and Biden can only talk about education. Palin came from a family dedicated to it.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:24:54am |
re: #253 Honorary Yooper
Vote present, vote against the Illinois Born Alive Act, vote present again, campaign for President.
That sums it up.
Nope. He did all that in theState Senate. In the US Senate Obama has done less.
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txcamper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:24:59am |
re: #275 de La Valette
5. What will be important is how Ferraro and HRC come on this? Its a perfect chance to bury a dagger in Obama's back.
Foxnews already interviewed Ferraro about it. She seemed more supportive than I expected.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:25:00am |
Damn the broadcast quality from Fox is horrid.
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:25:05am |
Someone with "executive experience" someone who "reaches across the aisle"
Hope Change!
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:25:10am |
Whoops, little slip by McCain there...didn't he call Palin who puts "power over principle"? Think that was supposed to be the other way around, lol
I'm sure the Koskidz will call it a Freudian slip...
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chukardog Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:25:24am |
GREAT CHOICE!
I dont even believe in god, but im appalled at folks that look down their noses at those who believe.
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phoenixgirl Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:25:24am |
SARAH! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:25:27am |
re: #293 MandyManners
BHO and Biden can only talk about education. Palin came from a family dedicated to it.
The more I hear the more I like!
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Cartman Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:25:31am |
Well, if nothing else, I think this will infuse some energy into JM's campaign.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:25:35am |
I would not want to be Joe Biden today. Why? because he will be in the position of having to publicly battle a female (and mother of 5) when many females feel he "stole" the VP gig from another female (Hillary).
Good luck with that one, dude
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:25:50am |
re: #259 Atweber
Despite Charles' silly war on religion I believe her faith is one of her stronger attributes, also she's a baskeball player--pretty cool! This choice likely gained millions of women voters.
What a stupid comment. I have no "silly war on religion," as you would know if you had paid attention to a single thing I've posted on the subject of creationism.
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Cygnus Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:05am |
"First a mayor, and now a governor".
And now the future Vice President!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:07am |
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Occasional Reader Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:22am |
re: #257 buzzsawmonkey
I disagree on the "lack of experience" thing. She has executive experience, which neither of the Democrats do--and she's not heading the ticket.
The Democrats have inexperience heading the ticket.
I agree that she has (arguably) more experience than Obama, relevant toward being Chief Executive. But she is still relatively inexperienced, compared to most political "household names". Yes, Obama will be vulnerable for bringing this up first, but that's not the point. "Lack of experience" is a KEY part of McCain's offense message. Anything that blunts that is, at the very least, risky.
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phoenixgirl Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:23am |
re: #299 chukardog
GREAT CHOICE!
I dont even believe in god, but im appalled at folks that look down their noses at those who believe.
{chukardog} God loves you!
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galloping granny Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:23am |
re: #233 Nevergiveup
Granny- sounds like you are jumping on board!
Not entirely Nevergiveup. But I believe in John McCain as you know, I always try to be fair and I am willing to listen. I don't think that everything is negative about Sarah Palin - and quite obviously the Obama camp is scared to death of her. They had the single most negative statement I think I've ever heard in this kind of situation out within minutes of the newsies confirming it was Palin.
Just contrast Mac's congratulatory message of last night with the outrageous attack on Palin before she has ever been formally announced. Those Dems running Obama's campaign have no manners at all, no common decency. The statement they released today is just a forerunner of the way that they will present our nation to the world if we give them half a chance. I don't intend to give them a chance if there is anything that I can do to prevent it.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:28am |
In a week we celebrate women's suffrage, a devoted wife and mother of five.
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dentate Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:35am |
re: #112 Optimizer
Hmmm... I despise "identity politics", but reality is reality. Let's count now. How many biracial people in America? Now...how many women? Dems were never good at math!
Her husband is a Yupik Eskimo, so her kids are biracial.
I like that...Yupik..."You pick..."
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:43am |
She was a business person in the private sector, a mayor, and now governor.
Obama - a no-show senator.
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mean Gene Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:43am |
Can you imagine Biden at his attack dog best losing points in a debate with her?
I sure can.
He admits that when he gets flustered he just starts making stuff up.
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unclassifiable Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:47am |
One more thing. You can get experience just sitting on your ass voting present month after month.
You get leadership by getting off of your ass.
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Spiny Norman Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:50am |
re: #265 mean Gene
Hubby is a Native American Eskimo!
Gotta love that!
Also she walked off of a job in AL government (oil related) because the gov was a butt.
Then she ran against him and won in a landslide.
Ha ha ha.
It is going to be great to have my ''feminist'' neighbors not voting for a woman while I do.
AND....what's this?
Do some here have a ''litmus test" about creation as to who they will vote for?
Are you really going to stay home over something that will have no impact on her years in office?
Some here have a litmus test about abortion and would definitely stay home if McCain had chosen a pro-choice VP.
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snowcrash Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:54am |
Media will be forced to pay attention to the Repub Convention. Palin is interesting!
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devil in baggy pants Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:59am |
grit integrity good sense... great points, John
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looking closely Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:26:59am |
I'm disappointed by this.
McCain said his first test for VP was someone instantly ready to assume the Presidency.
Great test, and I like Palin (despite her being a creationist), but she doesn't meet that basic criteria.
I'll still vote McCain, because I think the alternative is far worse, but this doesn't increase my excitement, it dulls it.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:15am |
re: #310 galloping granny
Not entirely Nevergiveup. But I believe in John McCain as you know, I always try to be fair and I am willing to listen. I don't think that everything is negative about Sarah Palin - and quite obviously the Obama camp is scared to death of her. They had the single most negative statement I think I've ever heard in this kind of situation out within minutes of the newsies confirming it was Palin.
Just contrast Mac's congratulatory message of last night with the outrageous attack on Palin before she has ever been formally announced. Those Dems running Obama's campaign have no manners at all, no common decency. The statement they released today is just a forerunner of the way that they will present our nation to the world if we give them half a chance. I don't intend to give them a chance if there is anything that I can do to prevent it.
I caught you defending her a bit. Come on now- admit it!
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:17am |
I hear someone up there doing a North African women's chant (or an Indian war whoop)
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gopninja Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:18am |
Lol I guess I am the only one here thoroughly disgusted with this campaign and now its just completely blown my mind. I've heard of putting lipstick on a pig, but this is a whole new level of metaphor.
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CIA Reject Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:19am |
re: #235 gemchick
One word: Fabulous!
Shows McCain is actually listening to conservatives. Yeah, Maverick.
Oh, she's a creationist? Seriously, is that the best you've got? The other side's got infanticide. I think we're in a good place.
I'll take misinformed over malicious any day!
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rawmuse Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:19am |
This is a great pick. John M. just threw the anniversary of women's suffrage in to the speech.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:22am |
re: #263 Jinx
Did McCain pick her because she looks like the President from Battlestar Gallactica?
:D
Her first act as VP; close down Gitmo... by having the terrorist detainees thrown out of airlocks.
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Bill Dalasio Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:24am |
re: #166 Charles
She's been a governor for less than half the time Obama's been a senator, for starters.
While true, she isn't heading up the ticket. To my mind, whoever get's in the VP slot is likely to have perhaps the closest to relevant experience anyone can have. The key decision-maker, however, is the President. And topping of the Democratic ticket is a guy who just doesn't measure up.
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Salem Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:33am |
re: #299 chukardog
GREAT CHOICE!
I dont even believe in god, but im appalled at folks that look down their noses at those who believe.
Are you appalled at people who understand that dinosaurs and humans didn't coexist?
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txcamper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:35am |
"A mother of five."
Other outlets are treating this fact as a detriment.
"How can she dedicate herself to the office of VP and still be a mother to a Downs baby?" Ugh.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:37am |
re: #64 joncelli
It's a valid concern, and a drawback; but as long as she doesn't try to force creationism into policy -- i.e., maintains separation between church and state -- not a deal killer.
It is just possible that as VP, any creationist views will have less influence as regards national issues, than the influence these views could have coming from the Governor of a state.
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dmjung Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:41am |
I'd vote for her any day. For the first time in a long time, I'm somewhat happy with the GOP.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:44am |
re: #259 Atweber
Despite Charles' silly war on religion I believe her faith is one of her stronger attributes, also she's a baskeball player--pretty cool! This choice likely gained millions of women voters.
WTF? Charles has a war against religion?!
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Ben Hur Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:44am |
"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same," said Bill Burton, Obama Campaign Spokesman.
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Hanoch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:50am |
re: #120 Charles
I agree with you on the experience issue. It seems Obama's lack of experience would be a big factor for independent voters. Now it will be harder for McCain to push that point. On the other hand, there seem to be a number of pluses, e.g., a solid conservative credentials, a woman, a Washington "outsider", etc.
Not sure what the creationist issue is for you--most (probably all) religious people believe the universe has a creator. If you mean she has issues with evolution, I don't see why that matters.
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Colonel Panik Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:27:56am |
re: #171 Spiny Norman
I agree with Krauthammer: this is a very risky move.
And by the way, I am NOT a "pro-gun control metrocon".
To those who say Palin is a risky choice I would remind you of the motto of Britain's Special Air Service:
WHO DARES, WINS
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:28:05am |
Oh, she's a creationist? Seriously, is that the best you've got? The other side's got infanticide. I think we're in a good place
Yes, but nobody will ever know that. You think PBA issue will ever make it to the MSM? No way. But her being a creationist will.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:28:11am |
After hearing McCain's choice speech, I'm all revved up.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:28:19am |
re: #259 Atweber
Despite Charles' silly war on religion I believe her faith is one of her stronger attributes, also she's a baskeball player--pretty cool! This choice likely gained millions of women voters.
Charles is not conducting a "silly war on religion." He's fighting against a stealth attempt to undermine the Constitution by teaching a disguised religious belief as science in public schools.
Please get it straight.
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protestshooter Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:28:21am |
I dont think it's fair to call her a creationist. She has vaguely creationist leanings but doesn't appear to be particularly interested in the issue either way and it's not going to be a focus for her. Given all of her other merits, and the fact that none of the other VP candidates are without flaw, I've thought for a long time that she makes a lot of sense.
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runrabbitrun Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:28:23am |
re: #281 vbspurs
The reception for John McCain was DEEP and HEARTFELT.
Best meme I heard last night was that John McCain has something to offer this country that all the Hollywood money in the world and special FX can not buy: experience.
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Archimedes Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:28:24am |
McCain isn't focusing on individualism and freedom. He's focusing on "the common good".
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Shug Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:28:24am |
Don't forget Palin used to be the Mayor of wasilla alaska.
A community organizer!
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Rancher Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:28:40am |
I love the fact that everyone will be comparing our VP's qualifications to the Dem's Presidential candidate!
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rawmuse Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:28:51am |
re: #333 Ben Hur
Yeah, Bill Burton is much happier with a "community organizer" with daddy issues...
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galloping granny Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:29:12am |
re: #246 Defector01
LISTEN to this ovation McCain's getting
Palin has done wonders already, I can't ever remember such fire in a McCain crowd!
Listen to the enthusiasm. Obama did not get close to this when he announced Biden. And there were so few people there the newsies didn't even show the "crowd."
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:29:23am |
re: #275 de La Valette
1. No ones talking about Obama's speech anymore
2. Does this put the wet side of Washington and Oregon into play?
3. Poor Joe Biden, he has to attack her and look like a cad
4. She may take a few magazine covers from Obama
5. What will be important is how Ferraro and HRC come on this? Its a perfect chance to bury a dagger in Obama's back.
All good points. I want to believe. Really.
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DistantThunder Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:29:34am |
Palin is married to an Eskimo
She has tackled big projects - and taken on lots of corrupt people.
She's a fighter.
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mean Gene Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:29:51am |
re: #316 Spiny Norman
Spiny, the whole concept of litmus tests is self defeating.
It really has got to stop.
All politics is compromise.
Nobody will perfectly fit someone else's bill.
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joecitizen Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:29:54am |
any Lizards not in tears right about now? the baby did it to me..
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Eowyn2 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:30:17am |
re: #11 MandyManners
I went ballistic when I heard Carl Cameron on Fox when he referred to her as a "girl".
Jimmy carter called Obama a 'black boy" so being called a girl is ligit.
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phoenixgirl Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:30:17am |
i thought her husband would look a bit more eskimoey
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Francisco D'Anconia Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:30:17am |
Is it just me or does Sarah Palin look a lot like a slightly older Tina Fey, glasses and all? awesome.
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yochanan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:30:18am |
THIS DUG A HOLE 6 FEET DEEP AND BURIED THE WHOLE BUSH 3 MEME
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:30:34am |
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rawmuse Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:30:43am |
Mother of five is no negative, especially in a state almost as big as Alaska with a population equal to San Francisco.
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liberalforisrael Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:30:58am |
She seems like a good choice, and by making the daring choice of a woman, McCain not only has targeted Hillary voters, but has stolen hussein's thunder the morning after his big coronation. I wonder how that egomaniac is handling the fact that he is not the sole focus of attention today? Go McCain!
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Ben Hur Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:00am |
I fully expect sexism from the left.
Just like I fully expected bigotry if Mitt was selected.
Watch just how much hypocrisy will be unveiled.
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:02am |
re: #319 looking closely
I'm not.. hate to say this, but were going to have to fight fire with fire. Obama is their race person to vote for (dems) So by picking her, that just blew the race thing OUT the window!
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SagamoreGal Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:08am |
"As much as I am NOT a creationist, the origins of the species and life on earth is a non-issue for me. Evolution does not fill my tank, win wars or keep my taxes down."
Double Ditto.
Besides, with sons' names like Track and Trig, you know the lady's got some major-league balls on her (or are these names more normal up in Alaska?)
Drill baby, Drill!
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looking closely Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:14am |
Creationist is irrelevant.
Has Palin ever been on the side of putting Creationist dogma in our science classrooms? If the answer is "no", then this issue is closed for me.
If she has, I have a real problem with that, *BUT* its still a question of which TICKET I like better, not whether I agree with all (or even most) of the positions of the candidates.
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Iron Fist Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:14am |
re: #217 I_Invented_Al_Gore
Leftists think she should have aborted the child with Downs Syndrome. I'm wondering if anyone will be crass enough to say that to her face.
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:23am |
Evangelicals are rejoicing
He already had them.
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vbspurs Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:29am |
Her voice quavered when she said, "I promise nothing less". Beautiful.
Man, I am in tears.
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rawmuse Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:35am |
re: #357 MandyManners
God bless you, dear, if I was there I'd give you a big ol' rawmuse hug!
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anotherindyfilmguy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:43am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. I'm not thrilled.
Sarah Palin is a creationist.
But... but... she's our creationist... no one's perfect... although she is a hottie as well... (and probably has more executive experience than both on the Dem ticket) McCain&MILF vs emptyshirtmessiah&oldblowhard...
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jcm Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:54am |
re: #138 Dustoff-507
YES, yes & yes.... she is everything McCain isn't.
I feel like dancing. (-:
Dustoff,
You get involved in the Three Fingers rescue?
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snowcrash Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:31:55am |
Getting the phone calls and emails from my friends (45ish yo females) who are just hearing about Palin and are tickled. This is historic too.
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Cygnus Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:32:00am |
I'm listening to the speech on KVI. I think there's a bit of a delay.
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:32:01am |
It will demand the best I have to give and I promise nothing less....
SP
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Jinx Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:32:04am |
re: #265 mean Gene
Hubby is a Native American Eskimo!
Gotta love that!
Also she walked off of a job inALAK government (oil related) because the gov was a butt.
Then she ran against him and won in a landslide.
Ha ha ha.
It is going to be great to have my ''feminist'' neighbors not voting for a woman while I do.
AND....what's this?
Do some here have a ''litmus test" about creation as to who they will vote for?
Are you really going to stay home over something that will have no impact on her years in office?
Alaska, not Alabama.
I'm doing more research about her, and I think I might be able to come around to her. But, she has several scandals revolving around her which gives the dems and the left ammunition already. But, then again, if you're in politics and don't have a scandal somewhere, then you're hiding something.
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Colonel Panik Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:32:16am |
re: #361 phoenixgirl
i thought her husband would look a bit more eskimoey
Lot of intermarriage up there since the days of the Russian fur traders.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:32:21am |
obama's speech was typical unattainable - un-affordable liberal pap.
This is exciting!
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Eowyn2 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:32:24am |
re: #342 protestshooter
I dont think it's fair to call her a creationist. She has vaguely creationist leanings but doesn't appear to be particularly interested in the issue either way and it's not going to be a focus for her. Given all of her other merits, and the fact that none of the other VP candidates are without flaw, I've thought for a long time that she makes a lot of sense.
Its becoming the norm that people who believe in the biblical teachings of creation are "creationists" and therefore want to see all science thrown by the wayside. Except for Ks and a few other minute places, this isnt even an issue.
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:32:34am |
Wo, a pointless observation here but her husband is freaking hot. So, she's got that;)
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:32:39am |
re: #362 Francisco D'Anconia
She's got that hot librarian look :-D
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:32:58am |
re: #366 rawmuse
but not nearly as annoying as SF's population :-p
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galloping granny Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:33:09am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:33:15am |
Good gravy. She's impressive as all get out.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:33:37am |
Her son enlisted.
She's hot.
We've got marvel comics universe here, ladies and chicks.
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mean Gene Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:33:38am |
I love her flag pin.
What's that smaller pin?
It sort of looks like the flag of Israel, but it could be something else.
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Yishai Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:33:40am |
Oldest kid is in the Army and will be in Iraq.
Husband member of US Steel Worker's union.
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rawmuse Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:33:56am |
re: #394 Sharmuta
Her husband is a union member- OUCH!
Sometimes you got no choice. Trust me on that one.
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:34:03am |
and deployed to Iraq soon? wow, take that michael moore
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Syrah Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:34:19am |
I am OK with this.
I think puts the Obama Campaign on the defensive.
Biden's bloviations will only Make Sarah look better by contrast.
One test. (Not at all scientific.)
Which candidates make you most comfortable? Which ones do you find yourself referring to by their first name instead of their last?
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Biff Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:34:27am |
She is the anti-Obama. Last night is now the shortest news cycle in the history of Presidential politics.
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CalipHater Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:34:41am |
Hottest vice president ever! Should have a profound effect on the coveted cougar vote
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KimZigfeld Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:34:59am |
HOORAY! HE DID IT! EXACTLY RIGHT!
Republicans gave us the first female supreme court justice, the first female national security adviser, and now they will give us the first female vice president, and maybe even president!
The only one of the four candidates with elected executive experience, Palin is FAR more qualified to be the first woman president than Obama to be the first black.
McCain shows just how sharp and serious he is, and has earned the respect and support of every Republican and every female voter.
Now is the time, girls. The power is right there for you, if you want to take it! By voting Palin 08, you can transform the American political landscape forever.
Enough carping, you conservatives. Time to knuckle down and end this Obama nightmare. McCain is truly The One!
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:35:01am |
re: #304 Charles
What a stupid comment. I have no "silly war on religion," as you would know if you had paid attention to a single thing I've posted on the subject of creationism.
And pretty creepy, too.
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Archimedes Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:35:05am |
I love the genuine pro-Americanism of the crowd.
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jcm Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:35:31am |
Real cheers for the Army, not the half stuff at the DNCC.
Both on the (R) ticket will have kids who put it on the line in Iraq.
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:35:38am |
Baby born in april
the greatest opportunities come unexpectedly
working with our hands GOOD
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:35:40am |
The family looks a lot like the families whose kids attend The Kid's school. I know this woman.
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rw in san diego Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:35:42am |
I know I'm biased, but this is so much more what I expect from an American political than the Biden announcement. Real Americans.
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anotherindyfilmguy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:35:46am |
Prediction:
No nonsense/no guff taking Alaskan wipes walls with both Biden and Obamassieh in debates/electioneering... McCain brings bucket brigade to clean up the blood afterwards...
Just have a feeling there's a bunch of people in the Obamassiahs camp wetting themselves as they watch this...
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:35:48am |
God, this is brilliant. A working mom, with a union husband.
And she's on OUR ticket. I'm so proud to be a Republican woman today.
Mandy- pass the tissues.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:35:56am |
She just admitted that she's not a political social climber.
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Defector01 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:36:12am |
I'm loving her speech, if that isn't just down home American soccer mom and american dream, I don't know what is
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Iron Fist Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:36:12am |
re: #316 Spiny Norman
It's not just some here. It is the Republican base. If you can't hold your base (and get it to turn out), you can't win the Presidency. Palin is an excellent choice for the base. Those clingy people Obama dispises so much.
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looking closely Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:36:13am |
re: #370 Dustoff-507
I'm not.. hate to say this, but were going to have to fight fire with fire. Obama is their race person to vote for (dems) So by picking her, that just blew the race thing OUT the window!
Again, this hasn't cost McCain my vote.
Strategically, (ie in terms of winning the election), Palin may be a good choice. . .she may not. I see the rationale behind the choice, but its definitely a gamble and its effectiveness remains to be seen.
I'm just saying that not only is Palin not the best choice in terms of credentials (though she could be worse, I guess), she's doesn't even meet McCain's own stated criteria for a pick.
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snowcrash Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:36:21am |
She has a lovely common touch. Obama must be cringing or crying?
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devil in baggy pants Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:36:36am |
SHE IS THE AMERICAN DREAM!
Coming through the ranks starting with the fricking PTA...
brilliant pick!
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:36:36am |
She's taken on the GOB!
I think I'm in love.
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DistantThunder Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:36:52am |
Liberal balls are shriveling all over the US.
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vbspurs Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:20am |
re: #405 Yishai
Oldest kid is in the Army and will be in Iraq.
Husband member of US Steel Worker's union.
This election is OVER. What a pick.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:22am |
Governor of a state almost as big as the tiny state of Iran.
Ironically symbolic.
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Mike in Boulder Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:24am |
Sara Palin/Tina Fey, separated at birth?
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Blastforth Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:27am |
I hope I'm wrong in thinking this is a terrible pick.
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:31am |
re: #375 looking closely
I'm sure if she had... the LA times would have it cover to cover.
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Dizzy26 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:32am |
WOW.......Just try to match this Obamamyass!
What credentials, what qualifications what class, what a choice.
A tax cutting, oil drilling, hip shooting hottie!
Way to go Johnny Mc. !
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RedinLa Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:37am |
OK, I was listening to some guy from Politico on one of the local LA radio stations. Sorry, I didn't get the name as I was too busy screaming at the illegal alien construction workers blocking the intersection. Anyway, to paraphrase he said that Palin had less experience than Obama. I'm stunned as I didn't realize Obama had ANY political experience. Also, do some research before you get on the air. You may be surprised.
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Alberta Oil Peon Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:41am |
re: #231 Occasional Reader
I'm concerned that the "lack of experience" thing blunts one of McCain's best offensive weapons in this campaign. McCain says "Obama lacks experience"; Obama says "your VP lacks experience"; there's mutual assured destruction, of sorts. And that works in Obama's favor, since he's more than happy to let the "experience" question fade out from the race.
And the creationism thing ain't exactly making me happy either.
On the plus side, she seems soundly conservative, and apparently has done a good job as governor.
You have to remember, the job of VP is about as close to an official do-nothing job as exists. Several former VPs have said as much. Experience is not really a requirement, certainly not to the extent that it is for the job of President. And Sarah Palin does have actual executive experience in two levels of government. Obama has been a senator whose major accomplishments appear to be comprised of voting "present" and cashing his pay check.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:46am |
With five kids, dealing with the GOB in Alaska, Palin is gonna' give Biden a run for his money.
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snowcrash Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:58am |
re: #426 Sharmuta
Sharm pass them this way too. I am so proud. Can't wait to tell my daughter.
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bikeguy65 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:37:58am |
I was SO looking forward to the debate between Joe Biden's hair and Romney's hair. Romney was going to kill him! I would have been happy with Romney but there was the Mormon issue. I am in MA so I am very familiar with him and have met him personally. I think Palin is an excellent choice and certainly makes the ticket MUCH more attractive. I hopes she kicks some ass out there! I don't think the Messiah has a snowball's chance in hell, now. I didn't think he had a chance before though either. I tell all the Obama supporters when he loses, it won't be because he is black as they will say, it will be because he is RED! It will also take the sails out of the Obamaship this week.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:00am |
I like the way she speaks. Articulate and authentic-sounding at the same time, no mean feat. She has a middle-America sounding accent, which the Lib elite will mock; so much the worse for them.
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:05am |
God, she's good. Impressed. Did I mention her husband is hot?
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:07am |
I'm not going to complain about this pick. I'm not going to analyze it to death. I'm going to support it enthusiastically and wholeheartedly. Really, people, what is the alternative? No candidate is perfect, no P/VP ticket is perfect. But Obama absolutely must not become POTUS. No way, no how.
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anotherindyfilmguy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:13am |
Bumper sticker should be:
John and Sarah: 2008/2012
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:18am |
re: #431 looking closely
OK, then. Give me someone else.
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ElKafir Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:20am |
John McCain, you old fox!.... With this choice you re-energized the conservatives, the tens of millions of NRA members, the frustrated Hillary supporters and got yourself into the White House.
Congratulations, you couldn't have made a better choice.
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runrabbitrun Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:22am |
re: #433 snowcrash
She has a lovely common touch. Obama must be cringing or crying?
while Obama is just common.
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jcm Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:26am |
She sounds like a good natural public speaker....
Doesn't sound like she's reading.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:29am |
serve for the right reasons!
*rimshot*
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:30am |
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mean Gene Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:35am |
re: #412 Biff
She is the anti-Obama. Last night is now the shortest news cycle in the history of Presidential politics.
He he he.
I think you're right.
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christheprofessor Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:39am |
re: #437 DistantThunder
Liberal balls are shriveling all over the US.
With the exception of Scrotum Guy, whose are probably exploding...
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:43am |
I did not get into governmnet to do the safe and easy thing.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:45am |
re: #357 MandyManners
Why am i bawling like a baby?
I'm verklempt too.
It's kind of shocking to see a Republican make a good choice.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:38:54am |
Will Bon Jovi perform?
/need to get my money's worth
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GOPninja Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:39:09am |
great, the left is already eviscerating us:
Palin: "[A]s for that V.P. talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that V.P .slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question."
wtfwtfwtfwtfwtf
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:39:16am |
re: #426 Sharmuta
God, this is brilliant. A working mom, with a union husband.
And she's on OUR ticket. I'm so proud to be a Republican woman today.
Mandy- pass the tissues.
I've run out.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:39:26am |
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Salem Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:39:28am |
Strategically, this was a better choice than Romney, whose religion is always going to be an issue. She is such a better choice than Lieberman that it's not even funny.
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devil in baggy pants Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:39:41am |
Oh my God... I think I'm in love.
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tradewind Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:39:53am |
re: #150 Big Steve
I agree.. she has a lot more experience than Obama's hundred plus days in the Senate, with his record of no executive experience.
It's a hail mary, but sometimes they work. She may have real cross party appeal.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:40:00am |
re: #447 Alberta Oil Peon
You have to remember, the job of VP is about as close to an official do-nothing job as exists.
As I mentioned previously, I cling (bitterly?) to the quaint idea that the VP needs to be ready to be President at - literally - any moment.
I'm not saying Palin isn't. But it's an issue.
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Blackacre Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:40:04am |
Obviously cannot post a screenshot, but look now, this says it all. The front page of the WaPo has a banner headline saying "McCain Chooses Palin as Running Mate," complete with picture and related articles, and then one-third the way down the page, in much smaller print, it says "Obama Accepts Nomination."
Hey, Barry, how do spell outflanked?
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looking closely Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:40:10am |
re: #443 Dustoff-507
I'm sure if she had [endorsed creationism in the classroom]... the LA times would have it cover to cover.
The attack brigade against her hasn't even started yet.
I predict she will quickly become the most maligned VP candidate in recent history. (Which isn't necessarily a spoiler, by the way).
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:40:11am |
re: #468 FrogMarch
I'm verklempt too.
It's kind of shocking to see a Republican make a good choice.
Cheney was an excellent choice! So was GHWB.
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Archimedes Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:40:17am |
Argh "serve the common good". There is no such thing! Listen, the purpose of government is to uphold our inalienable rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. Freedom is the reason for government.
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The Shadow Do Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:40:27am |
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RubyTuesday Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:40:45am |
Totally excited she is a Creationist.
We Christians will be thrilled.
Pro-life. Good move, John!
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Spider Mensch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:40:47am |
re: #431 looking closely
Again, this hasn't cost McCain my vote.
Strategically, (ie in terms of winning the election), Palin may be a good choice. . .she may not. I see the rationale behind the choice, but its definitely a gamble and its effectiveness remains to be seen.
I'm just saying that not only is Palin not the best choice in terms of credentials (though she could be worse, I guess), she's doesn't even meet McCain's own stated criteria for a pick.
just out of curiousity, who would your choice for McCain have been? there's no right or wrong answer obviously..
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:40:48am |
Palin says McCain has always - "Served his county - not just his party"
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yochanan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:40:52am |
re: #420 Rancher
Why isn't ______'s kids fighting this war?
Hers is.
HERS AND HIS ARE both john and sarah's sons are in the military
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:41:24am |
John got himself a little pitbull. I can't wait to see her rip biden in the debates.
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wccawa Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:41:27am |
Everything is SO right about this.
Obama put a pitch right over the plate when he dumped on HRC.
McCain just sent it 500 feet into the center field stands.
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christheprofessor Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:41:27am |
I bet, much like the female lizards, Obama is crying his eyes out right now...
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:41:39am |
re: #484 looking closely
Have you seen the LA times today
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:41:55am |
re: #484 looking closely
The attack brigade against her hasn't even started yet.
I predict she will quickly become the most maligned VP candidate in recent history.
That's a pretty safe prediction.
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RedinLa Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:41:58am |
Oh, also, I just called Joe Biden "Barack Obama's Dick Cheney" to several crazy liberal co-workers. I'd let you know what they said but they are presently on the ceiling sprouting gibberish and hyperventilating.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:42:01am |
Does anybody else think she just might upstage McCain at every point in the campaign?
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runrabbitrun Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:42:12am |
re: #460 jcm
She sounds like a good natural public speaker....
Doesn't sound like she's reading.
I think she only could use a coach for the tendency of her high voice 'swallowing' the end of key sentences, but that's an empty dilemma; will be easily fixed.
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Wilderstad Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:42:21am |
Strategic pick on McCain's part. That the woman has experience in the private sector, the public sector and has a family to care for show's she's motivated, a problem solver and tough.
Booyah!
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:42:24am |
She just brought in being the commander of Alaska's National Guard.
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:42:34am |
re: #488 RubyTuesday
Totally excited she is a Creationist.
We Christians will be thrilled.
Pro-life. Good move, John!
Only Christians who believe in creationism are thrilled by this. And that is the minority.
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FlakMusic Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:42:37am |
Another potentially interesting angle: who is better to debate drilling (particularly in ANWR) than Palin? Could be a sign that McCain (correctly) sees this as a hot button issue with voters, and has chosen someone who can pound on the issue (and Biden) effectively.
This pick will also attract Hillary voters for whom abortion rights aren't their sole issue.
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jamgarr Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:42:39am |
Debate Prediction:
Biden will Palin comparison
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Cygnus Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:42:43am |
re: #466 christheprofessor
With the exception of Scrotum Guy, whose are probably exploding...
LOLOLOLOLOL!
Clean up on Aisle 69!
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Dahveed Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:42:56am |
re: #497 christheprofessor
I bet, much like the female lizards, Obama is crying his eyes out right now...
Rush was just saying that if Hillary was depressed when Obama accepted the nomination, think how Hillary feels right now.
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conservativegirl Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:42:57am |
This is great, it shakes things up. This is the kind of woman I can get along with, or skate with and vote to win. I don't think she is afraid of anyone and will do McCain good.
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rawmuse Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:43:01am |
re: #480 Occasional Reader
As I mentioned previously, I cling (bitterly?) to the quaint idea that the VP needs to be ready to be President at - literally - any moment.
I'm not saying Palin isn't. But it's an issue.
Especially when the POTUS is as, er, mature as Johnny Mac.
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CIA Reject Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:43:10am |
OH OH! I think we have a problem here people!
She says "nucular" just like GWB :-)
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Land Shark Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:43:15am |
What an excellent choice. My enthusiasm for John McCain just shot up to the stratosphere. A strong anti-abortion woman, who even after knowing her new son would have Down's syndrome would not abort. How's that for standing by your convictions?
I love it!
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Archimedes Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:43:25am |
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:43:26am |
re: #265 mean Gene
Hubby is a Native American Eskimo!
Gotta love that!
Also she walked off of a job in AL government (oil related) because the gov was a butt.
Then she ran against him and won in a landslide.
Ha ha ha.
It is going to be great to have my ''feminist'' neighbors not voting for a woman while I do.
AND....what's this?
Do some here have a ''litmus test" about creation as to who they will vote for?
Are you really going to stay home over something that will have no impact on her years in office?
All good, but POI: Alaska is "AK"; Alabama is "AL". (Arkansas is "AR", Arizona is "AZ", BTW). Pretty soon EVERYBODY will know the difference, and know who Sarah Palin is.
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Kenneth Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:43:38am |
re: #172 snowcrash
Obama handed McCain a long list of points for rebuttal in his speech last night. If the "experience issue" is off the table so be it, there are plenty of other issues.
Sorry to burst your Obama Bubble, but the "experience issue" is NOT off the table. Obama has no experience to qualify him for the job, and what little record he has is to the far left of the political spectrum. He has poor judgment, a weak & vain character and anti-American morals.
McCain & Palin have the edge on Obama & Biden on all the important points.
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The Shadow Do Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:44:19am |
Woa! Kudos to Feraro and Hillory! Good move.
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:44:20am |
Thank you McCain. You just gave me a reason to vote FOR you as opposed to only voting AGAINST Obama.
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GregInSeattle Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:44:50am |
She's giving a great speech in Ohio. Down to earth and smart! It is AWESOME That she has a son in the Army AND she leads and has visited the Alaskan National Guard in Iraq.
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bikeguy65 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:44:53am |
re: #483 pre-Boomer Marine brat
She has notes, but she isn't reading much I think.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:44:56am |
Hopefully The Republican party will continue to be the big tent party - despite the different political and religious views of it's constituents.
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devil in baggy pants Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:44:58am |
Shatter the glass ceiling...
way to bring in the Hillary reference!
Brilliant.
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ashan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:02am |
I'm pleased with McCain's choice. She's speaking right now, and she's comes off as simply great. She's right to the point, patriotic, devoted, strong - the complete opposite of Obama and his adoring horde of anti-American Demoncrats. Great speech. This is a great Bring Back America moment.
As an American and an Israeli, I am curious to know about her views on Israel, if she has one.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:07am |
re: #486 Archimedes
Argh "serve the common good". There is no such thing! Listen, the purpose of government is to uphold our inalienable rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. Freedom is the reason for government.
Yeah, wasn't crazy about that comment.
But dangit, I can't analyze it to death!
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Occasional Reader Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:14am |
So it's to be:
War Hero/Barracuda Hottie
vs.
Vacuous Rock Star/Blowhard
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Inquisitive Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:17am |
re: #81 Junior
Give me a break people. Who cares if she is a creationist. We're talking about being VP and helping to take on Islamic-fascism. If the fact that she is a creationist will make you be disappointed, then all you are doing is showing your religious zeal for evolution and nothing more. Tell me, is that religion that important to you?
Well, lets see....go back to some of the past threads and see what several of the posters on the evolution threads had to say about anyone who believed in creation, see how they put other posters down who believed in creation, and questioned their intelligence. And as far as taking on the Islamic-facism....their were several who said creationist are "in bed" with Islam. And the "religious zeal" is just what some of the evolutionist used put down the creationist who would not change their mind.....AND remember it cannot be said "religious zeal for evolution", because evolution is science and proven fact, not a "believe" like creation. Go back and read all these past threads and see how strongly some posters are against not only the idea of creation, but creationist themselves........... and then say who cares.
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tradewind Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:17am |
Whoah, she just stuck it to the Dems who scorned the HRC heads and twisted the Obama knife....
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looking closely Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:23am |
re: #457 Dustoff-507
OK, then. Give me someone else.
I'm not really in a position to give you anyone, am I?
IMO there are better names out there, and we've heard them all already but repeating them doesn't add anything here. The die is cast.
I do respect the audacity of this move, and yes, I do think there is a good chance it will help McCain (rather than hinder him). . .but it remains to be seen.
And even though I don't like Palin in this role, I *do* love the delicious irony of her potentially becoming VP and screwing up Hillary's 2012 run for POTUS!
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:25am |
re: #517 CIA Reject
OH OH! I think we have a problem here people!
She says "nucular" just like GWB :-)
So do I, come to think about it. LOL!
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rw in san diego Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:25am |
What a speaker. Any odds on how she'll take apart Biden in the debates?
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abu jimbola Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:26am |
Spartanwoman
"Rubbish. The origin of life is an esoteric debate at best and has squat to do with oil exploration or taxation. A big non-issue, far below the economy, energy, war and peace, fairness doctrine, health care."
Actually if what you meant was evolution and all it implies (like DNA and geologic time), then the science behind this has everything to do with oil exploration. The whole basis for the world-wide oil and gas industry is geo-science; including stratigraphy and palaeontology all of which are based on billions of years of a changing earth and changing evolving life forms on the earth. Oil companies do not randomly poke holes in the earth..they use the scientific principals that depend on a world-view of which an old earth and evolution are key components.
Further, progress in health care and medicine depends on the scientific method, of which an understanding of the fundamental principals of the cell are critical including genes, and DNA, the key elements in mutations and evolution.
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cliffster Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:26am |
She has no teleprompter. She's got a few notes on the podium but besides that she's just talking to the crowd.
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jamgarr Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:31am |
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devil in baggy pants Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:31am |
HA!
SHE JUST STOLE HOPE AND CHANGE!
ahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa
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Biff Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:37am |
Great timing, great speacker. This woman really has it! And she looks great standing next to McCain.
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Power Armored Lizardoid Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:40am |
What the heck is bad about her being a Creationist?
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The Shadow Do Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:43am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:45:50am |
I cannot imagine Romney or anyone else speaking this passionately and this articulately.
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Cygnus Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:46:04am |
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:46:08am |
re: #295 txcamper
Foxnews already interviewed Ferraro about it. She seemed more supportive than I expected.
Who cares what Ferraro says? I sure don't. Half the voters probably don't even remember her.
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Cartman Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:46:20am |
I agree with others here - if you fear an Obama presidency like I'm positive most of us do, you'd damn well better jump on board with this ticket. I'm gonna take the ball and run with it, myself.
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leftover54 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:46:29am |
I feel like I'm watching/listening to the first female President of the USA. No doubt a purely emotional reaction but this lady is impressing the hell out of me (even though she sounds like the Sheriff in ...what was the name of that damn movie ? Mid Western Shefiff, pregnant, solving a local murder...damn memory - or lack thereof !).
This woman is the American Dream, the "real deal" as oppossed to Shillery, Pelosi etc etc.
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willowone Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:46:32am |
TY Mrs, Palin. I'm proud of your endeavor, may we win.! with honesty respect for All Americans.
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:46:40am |
re: #533 devil in baggy pants
Is that cool or what... Bet you Hillary is throwing dishes everywhere.
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tradewind Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:47:01am |
re: #508 Charles
It won't be such an issue in the campaign, I bet.... she doesn't seem like one to push social issues on others against their will..,,,and not only that, if the Obamacans start attacking her on that, they open up a whole religious can of Jeremiah worms.......
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Grok the Fullness Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:47:04am |
Charles, i love you and your blog, but please give it a rest.
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anotherindyfilmguy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:47:05am |
Watching her speak this afternoon is the most interesting and positive thing I've seen in a long time in this election. Period. The creationism aspect will have as much impact as JFK being Catholic ultimately did. No one's perfect for everyone but she's as close to it as the last few endless seeming years of this election cycle has gotten...
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Salem Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:47:08am |
If she helps Obomba not to be the next president, that's the important thing to me right now. She's a good speaker, like Reagan. She's going to benefit McCain's chances significantly. McCain just may have secured the election picking her, creationist or not.
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snowcrash Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:47:26am |
Home run. I want to shake her hand if she comes to Dallas.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:47:32am |
Still think she can't tear Ol' Plugs limb from limb?
/think hard, there'll be a test later
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CIA Reject Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:48:02am |
Creationist as in the universe HAS a Creator, or Creationist as in "young earther"?
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Spiny Norman Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:48:11am |
re: #358 mean Gene
Spiny, the whole concept of litmus tests is self defeating.
It really has got to stop.
All politics is compromise.
Nobody will perfectly fit someone else's bill.
Oh I agree. Take a good look at the California GOP and see what "litmus tests" get you.
BTW, Ahhhnold doesn't count.
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:48:23am |
re: #542 looking closely
I understand. Granted she doesn't have that much time in office.
BUT, this has just blown Obama and the dem party clean out of the water.
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Salem Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:48:46am |
re: #544 rw in san diego
What a speaker. Any odds on how she'll take apart Biden in the debates?
Biden is such an unappealing figure that he might just have to call in sick on the debate days.
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runrabbitrun Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:48:55am |
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ElKafir Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:49:05am |
re: #328 Salem
Are you appalled at people who understand that dinosaurs and humans didn't coexist?
I for one, am appalled by people who believe we humans know everything.
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claire Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:49:17am |
I've never heard her before- She's excellent!
Goose bumps!
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:49:34am |
re: #538 Inquisitive
Well, lets see....go back to some of the past threads and see what several of the posters on the evolution threads had to say about anyone who believed in creation, see how they put other posters down who believed in creation, and questioned their intelligence. And as far as taking on the Islamic-facism....their were several who said creationist are "in bed" with Islam. And the "religious zeal" is just what some of the evolutionist used put down the creationist who would not change their mind.....AND remember it cannot be said "religious zeal for evolution", because evolution is science and proven fact, not a "believe" like creation. Go back and read all these past threads and see how strongly some posters are against not only the idea of creation, but creationist themselves........... and then say who cares.
Also make sure to notice the numerous dishonest statements and gratuitous insults from creationists, many of whom see nothing wrong with lying to advance their cause.
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Cygnus Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:49:48am |
re: #570 CIA Reject
Creationist as in the universe HAS a Creator, or Creationist as in "young earther"?
Great question! I am SICK of "creationist" being equated with "young earth".
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ashan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:50:11am |
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:50:37am |
re: #525 Occasional Reader
Dang, she says "nukyular"...
Yep, that was a real groaner. But if they try to nail her for it..remember JFK did that too.
ALL YOUR PUMAS ARE BELONG TO US
No they don't. Many will never support a strident prolifer like Palin. But, as someone pointed out above..we just need a few.
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looking closely Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:51:01am |
re: #489 Spider Mensch
just out of curiousity, who would your choice for McCain have been? there's no right or wrong answer obviously..
Per credentials, and personality, I like Romney.
I liked him for POTUS, I like him for VP.
As the conventional wisdom went, I think he could help with several swing states (MI, etc).
If President McCain keeled over of a heart attack in 6 months, I'd want Romney in that office, not Palin.
*BUT* there is a different metric here, which is who is going to help McCain win office. From a tactical standpoint, this sucks the air out of the Obama campaign.
Obama thought he was the "fresh new" candidate? POOF! GONE!
And this *is* a blitzkrieg campaign. We have 2.5 months until the election, and the clock is ticking. So I see this choice, and I respect it as a political decision, even if I don't like Palin for the job.
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bikeguy65 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:51:11am |
re: #508 Charles
Charles,
This is a non issue for most of the voters. It certainly won't hurt with the base but I can't think of a time where it was ever an issue.
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:51:16am |
re: #535 Tigger2005
Yeah, wasn't crazy about that comment.
But dangit, I can't analyze it to death!
Ditto, but the preamble to the Constitution does include "...[in order to] promote the general welfare...", so we can cut her some slack on that one. Note that it wasn't a "greater good" reference. Feel better?
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FlakMusic Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:51:26am |
re: #484 looking closely
I predict she will quickly become the most maligned VP candidate in recent history. (Which isn't necessarily a spoiler, by the way).
Yes. The MSM has demonstrated many, many times, that they're liberals first. They will do their utmost to characterize this pick as cynical and meaningless. The only good woman is a LIBERAL woman. Clarence Thomas is black, and they gave him the "high tech lynching" because he wasn't a liberal black man.
If, however, Palin can hold her own and impress people under fire, this could backfire, big time, and further reveal the agenda driven hypocrisy of the MSM.
Woah, hey...my leg is tingling...
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leftover54 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:51:33am |
Quick ! Someone go out and check the price on a gaoline pump ! If this doesn't start that futures market on a downward spiral nothing will - and they aren't even in office yet ! If this does happen and gas drops even
.50 cents a gallon by November...
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Iron Fist Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:51:40am |
re: #452 bikeguy65
I've been feeling like this race was McCain's to lose for some weeks now. This was an excellent pick. I was worried we'd get Lieberman or Ridge.
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Cygnus Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:51:54am |
re: #581 ashan
Liberals have balls?
Little tiny ones. They're going from microscopic to nanoscopic right now.
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Kenneth Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:51:59am |
I just read an idiotic essay up at Daily Kos.
Worse Than Quayle
Because Sarah Palin is the most unqualified VP nominee in modern history, with the possible exception of Admiral Stockdale.
She's worse than Quayle.
Do you notice the great big elephant in his mental living room? Both Quayle (2 terms in Congress, 1 1/2 terms in Senate) and Palin have more experience than Obama.
Oh, and the comments are typically appalling.
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christheprofessor Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:52:01am |
re: #513 Dahveed
Rush was just saying that if Hillary was depressed when Obama accepted the nomination, think how Hillary feels right now.
Actually, I think it makes her happy. I think she believes it'll helps to defeat Obama and give her (Hillary) a shot in '12...
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:52:23am |
Fine, she's a creationist, like a lot of us.
/I seriously doubt she believes that the Earth is 6000 years old and man walked with dinosaurs
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RubyTuesday Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:52:28am |
One of these days, after the Last Day, Jesus will explain to us that the argument of Evolution vs Creation was all wasted time - that it all worked together. And He'll explain how.
We should focus on issues WE can explain.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:52:53am |
re: #20 gopninja
awful pick. She is a CREATIONIST.
Really?
In the two years of her gubernatorial career has she actually tried to get creationist agenda in the schools.
or are you going on the idea that because she has the guts to state that she personally believes in God creating the world she is a creationist?
I am not being facetious but I would like to know either way
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:53:28am |
Just think about this folks. If McCain makes it. Hillary 2012 just went out the window.
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:54:41am |
It certainly won't hurt with the base but I can't think of a time where it was ever an issue.
They'll make it one. Trust. And, the base isn't the worry, it's the moderates.
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CalipHater Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:54:43am |
My word, give it a rest with the creationism, who gives a sh--? If anyone listened to Obama's speech he wants to convert this place into a socialist utopia so certainly preventing that and prevailing in Iraq and the war on Terror are more important than someone's religious believes.
The idiots on Huffpo are going nuts, saying its an insult to women and talking about her inexperience. The irony is so thick its unbelievable as if she had a (D) next to her name such criticisms would be bigoted sexist remarks
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Kenneth Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:54:45am |
re: #544 rw in san diego
What a speaker. Any odds on how she'll take apart Biden in the debates?
Biden is skilled debater, even if he's an idiot on facts & issues. My guess is he'll come across as condescending and patronizing, until Palin lands a few good ones. After that Biden will lose his cool and say something very stupid & sexist. I can't wait!
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looking closely Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:55:08am |
re: #588 Iron Fist
I've been feeling like this race was McCain's to lose for some weeks now. This was an excellent pick. I was worried we'd get Lieberman or Ridge.
Despite the buzzings, I don't believe Lieberman was ever really in serious contention (though Ridge likely was).
But I do have to say, the old white man and the young woman definitely beat the young man and the old man!
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GregInSeattle Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:55:15am |
leftover54 8/29/08 9:46:29 am
I think you're thinking of Fargo
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Alberta Oil Peon Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:56:01am |
re: #394 Sharmuta
Her husband is a union member- OUCH!
The production side of the oil industry, like pipelines and refineries, has long been heavily unionized (at least that is the case here in Canada), but generally speaking, labor relations in that sector are very good. Not a high level of left-wing activism in those unions, like you see amongst teachers, or nurses, or public servants.
The exploration and drilling side of the industry seems to be impervious to unionization.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:56:01am |
Decent speech, but I would really like to hear a Repubican candidate say something like "If you want fewer laws and regulations and lower taxes to enable you to achieve everything you can as an individual, then vote Republican! If you want secure borders and America's enemies on the run and American energy independence, then vote Republican! If you want strong businesses that create jobs for Americans, then vote Republican!"
I'm not crazy about the "better America" thing. There's nothing about America ITSELF that needs improvement. Its the government and a large segment of the population that needs to get back to what America is supposed to be about ...individuality, self-sufficiency, achievement.
But I SAID I would not analyze this to death!
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Dizzy26 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:56:02am |
Today, for the first time in my adult life, I am proud to be an American VOTER!
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Kenneth Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:56:05am |
re: #596 Dustoff-507
Just think about this folks. If McCain makes it. Hillary 2012 just went out the window.
That's the icing!
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hippieforlife Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:56:07am |
re: #322 gopninja
You are free to vote for whoever you want.
However, it is not very lizard like to refer to the choice as
"putting lipstick on a pig". That is just disgusting.
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arizona9 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:56:24am |
Here's a good sign-Andrea Mitchell sounds like she's going to kill herself.
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ElKafir Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:56:29am |
I have a feeling, somewhere somehow, Hillary is snickering!
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Ringo the Gringo Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:56:32am |
I like her but I'm still a bit worried...
I hope she's up for this. She clearly a charming and tough woman, but can she play hardball in the debates without making a fatal gaff?
I hope so.
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:56:45am |
re: #308 Occasional Reader
I agree that she has (arguably) more experience than Obama, relevant toward being Chief Executive. But she is still relatively inexperienced, compared to most political "household names". Yes, Obama will be vulnerable for bringing this up first, but that's not the point. "Lack of experience" is a KEY part of McCain's offense message. Anything that blunts that is, at the very least, risky.
It goes like this:
McCain: "You have practically no applicable experience."
Obama: "Yeah, but your running mate doesn't have much either."
Um... Who wins that one?
BTW, your nick seems like quite the misnomer of late. Not that that's bad. :)
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:56:46am |
re: #594 garycooper
She's a creationist?
Ugh.
I'm a "creationist", because I believe God created the Universe and its contents. I alsio happen to believe that religion has no place in schools outside of religious study classes, I have no issue with evolution, I am not a young earther, and I hold two degrees in engineering (i.e., hard sciences).
Please quit tarring me with that big brush of gnorance you're holding there.
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FlakMusic Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:57:36am |
re: #596 Dustoff-507
Just think about this folks. If McCain makes it. Hillary 2012 just went out the window.
Don't believe that for a moment.
Even if McCain is elected, it'll be a 4-years of acrimonious confrontation with Democrat controlled House and Senate.
Hillary will have plenty of opportunity to position herself for '12.
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Biff Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:58:29am |
The Dem politicos almost never say what they mean, but what they are all thinking today is "Oh F***" !
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hillbilly geek Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:58:31am |
Y'all'd kick if you were being hung with anew rope. "She's a creationist?" is the worst you can come up with?
.... at a lost to come up with a non-scatalogical expression of disgust.
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:58:36am |
re: #607 hippieforlife
putting lipstick on a pig". That is just disgusting.
-----------------------------------------------
Have you seen Hillary without lipstick. LOL
Ok I'm sorry
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armytramp Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:58:48am |
Wasn't excited before, and now I am deliriously happy. Felt tears spring to my eyes during speech; very surprised by that.
She's a winner.
Thanks John McCain.
BTW, Michelle Malkin's got a spot on her site about MSM types saying hideously sexist things about her over live news feed.
Liberals! Always so woman friendly!
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Deafdog Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:58:51am |
re: #86 Sizzlack
I don't know much about her but she is certainly easier on the eyes than Joe Biden.
Very politely said, but every guy is thinking the same thing. Even the state of the Union addresses might be fun to watch if we could get rid of Plastic Nancy.
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chukardog Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:58:57am |
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
Wrong, check her resume. She has far more experience, both executive experience and experience in the real world actually holding down a job.
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Liechtentrager Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:58:58am |
The video of her shooting an M-16 made a shiver go up my leg.
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looking closely Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:59:01am |
re: #599 Kenneth
Biden is skilled debater, even if he's an idiot on facts & issues. My guess is he'll come across as condescending and patronizing, until Palin lands a few good ones. After that Biden will lose his cool and say something very stupid & sexist. I can't wait!
Its hard to predict a specific dynamic, but Palin is actually quite calm and rational, and I think she can hold her own in a debate. When speaking, Biden usually comes off as a condescending prick.
I'm not worried about this.
If there is a downside to this, its going to be the revved up personal attacks against Palin.
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de La Valette Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:59:15am |
re: #543 Honorary Yooper
Every public figure should practice pronouncing nuclear energy as atomic energy.
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Biff Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:59:49am |
Bill Clinton will make a public statement as soon as the tent pole goes down.
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landline Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:59:52am |
This is the moment when the Obamaites were finally stopped. This is the moment when an effete, inexperienced, empty suit begans to go down in flames with all his Bolshevik supporters...
I'm genuinely excited and hopefully for the first time in this campaign.
Go Sarah!
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Grok the Fullness Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:00:19am |
The fact that "creationists" are vehemently opposed to the theory of evolution doesn't bother me in the least. I believe both versions contain truths concerning the nature of our place in the universe.
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hillbilly geek Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:00:21am |
re: #620 Liechtentrager
The video of her shooting an M-16 made a shiver go up my leg.
Don't you mean tingle? Heh.
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aviator Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:00:27am |
re: #437 DistantThunder
Liberal balls are shriveling all over the US.
Isn't that an oxymoron - like jumbo shrimp?
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bluejudad Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:00:47am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. I'm not thrilled.
Sarah Palin is a creationist.
Charles... I love ya, but this is a good time to say what I've been thinking for the last couple of months. We've got bigger battles to fight than Creationists! I think you have lost your focus lately. Incredible pick.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:00:55am |
re: #524 Kenneth
Sorry to burst your Obama Bubble, but the "experience issue" is NOT off the table. Obama has no experience to qualify him for the job, and what little record he has is to the far left of the political spectrum. He has poor judgment, a weak & vain character and anti-American morals.
McCain & Palin have the edge on Obama & Biden on all the important points.
Experience
Obama - none
McCain - yes
#2 spot not quite as important as #1 - she is in learning postition.
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reggie Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:00:57am |
O. M. G.
Not one single Hillary supporter will vote for this woman, or any Republican woman.
I can't even picture her as POTUS.
Who wrote her speech? This year's Honor Society second place finalist?
O. M. G.
McCain's got a traitor among his top advisors, or there's some bigger reason why the right wants to lose.
Maybe he thinks this will get Nobama to laugh himself to death.
O. M. G.
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:01:08am |
re: #613 FlakMusic
Don't bet on it... 2 years of them (dems) then guess what. Election time again
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:01:33am |
re: #312 dentate
Her husband is a Yupik Eskimo, so her kids are biracial.
I like that...Yupik..."You pick..."
Well, I got Big Mac's got all the bases covered! No slave hertitage, though.
What's that? The Dem ticket doesn't have that either? Sorry! "Freudian slip!"... ;)
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Ringo the Gringo Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:01:50am |
As for the "creationist" thing; so long as she has not activily tried to advocate for the teaching of literal (Biblical) creationism in the science classroom in public schools, I don't think it will be much of a problem...even if I don't like it.
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RubyTuesday Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:02:09am |
Creationism is the new communism? What backwards thinking is that? ug. As I said, we have issues that are screaming for conservative attention. The Republican umbrella is huge - stop the bickering over something no human has an answer for!
Team McCain/Palin!
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:02:25am |
re: #612 OldLineTexan
I'm a "creationist", because I believe God created the Universe and its contents. I alsio happen to believe that religion has no place in schools outside of religious study classes, I have no issue with evolution, I am not a young earther, and I hold two degrees in engineering (i.e., hard sciences).
Please quit tarring me with that big brush of gnorance you're holding there.
"Creationist" has a very specific meaning. It's not the same thing as believing in God.
The only one "tarring" you is yourself.
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:03:01am |
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Power Armored Lizardoid Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:03:15am |
Also make sure to notice the numerous dishonest statements and gratuitous insults from creationists, many of whom see nothing wrong with lying to advance their cause.
Bah! Come on Charles! Yeah, just like in any group of people, there are gonna be some jerks...and that applies to people who believe that God created the Earth (and everything else). I have never been rude to any of my fellow lizards here at LGF...nor have I ever lied on here to further ANY of my causes or beliefs. (Heh, I believe God'll get me if I lie...even if it's for a 'good' cause.)
But trying desperately to equate me and other Christians like me to Islamo-Douchebags just because I have a belief that there's a Creator is just beyond the pale. And if you really think that people who believe in Creation (in all it's many versions) are in the minority...I don't think you could be more wrong...
Oh, and Palin rocks!
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chukardog Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:03:38am |
You'd better get used to it, because I'm not going to "get over it."And this is not a litmus test for me. But it is a problem, and a serious one.
Dude, every great president we have ever had was a "creationist". Bush is a creationist, Reagan was creationist, ALL the founding fathers were creationists. They were all Christians and all believed god was responsible for creating the heaven and the earth. I don't buy it, but the fact that they did makes me admire them not hold them in contempt.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:03:42am |
re: #636 Charles
"Creationist" has a very specific meaning. It's not the same thing as believing in God.
The only one "tarring" you is yourself.
No, there's others that have done it here.
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:05:04am |
A lot of over-reaction here to my statement that I'm disappointed to find out that Palin's a creationist.
It's not a deal-breaker, because she doesn't appear to be the fanatical kind who will try to push it into schools. But I am disappointed to find out that another Republican politician takes the side of pseudo-science.
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hillbilly geek Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:05:32am |
Charlesre: #636 Charles
"Creationist" has a very specific meaning. It's not the same thing as believing in God.
The only one "tarring" you is yourself.
Then, with all respect, Creationist has become the new n*****r, at least on this site.
re: #635 RubyTuesday
Creationism is the new communism? What backwards thinking is that? ug. As I said, we have issues that are screaming for conservative attention. The Republican umbrella is huge - stop the bickering over something no human has an answer for!
Team McCain/Palin!
Sorry, Ruby: didn't put a /sarc tag
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jefiner Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:05:49am |
I'm stoked. No more politics as usual!
And I suspect that the creationist side will be submarined by the GOP spin doctors.
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:06:07am |
re: #638 Power Armored Lizardoid
Bah! Come on Charles! Yeah, just like in any group of people, there are gonna be some jerks...and that applies to people who believe that God created the Earth (and everything else). I have never been rude to any of my fellow lizards here at LGF...nor have I ever lied on here to further ANY of my causes or beliefs. (Heh, I believe God'll get me if I lie...even if it's for a 'good' cause.)
But trying desperately to equate me and other Christians like me to Islamo-Douchebags just because I have a belief that there's a Creator is just beyond the pale. And if you really think that people who believe in Creation (in all it's many versions) are in the minority...I don't think you could be more wrong...
Oh, and Palin rocks!
NO ONE equated you to militant Islamists. You've completely missed the point of everything I posted, and you're blatantly distorting it in a very ugly way.
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de La Valette Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:06:28am |
re: #556 Optimizer
The PUMAs care - she and HRC set a tone for them.
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Ezekiel2517 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:06:32am |
Awesome choice. McCain could not have delivered better. She has a real, solid track record, has fought corruption and is a true conservative.
Sarah Palin on the McCain ticket will energize the GOP. She is the kind of candidate who can attract voters who never considered voting Republican before, Hillary voters and Soccer Moms.
So what if she is a creationist. 80% sustained approval ratings.
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tradewind Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:07:50am |
re: #633 Optimizer
And she's got the son in the military... union husband ..... She's got the right attitude on energy..........
I think I am getting excited about this pick.
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leftover54 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:07:53am |
Watching/listening to the Dems for even a few minutes over the past couple of nights brought out anger and even rage in me - spontaneously !
Listening to McCain's introduction of Palin, listening to Palin speak, introduce her family etc., had tears welling up in my eyes - spontaneously !
What a difference a day makes !
And being one that has been less than enthused on the McCain nomination - well, his stock just went way up in my book !
Politics aside - really, just listening to her accomplishments and her pride in her family had me an emotional bowl of jello. Thats not easy to do - it was just so nice to have a truly fun few moments. Proud of my country and the type of people its capable of producing - just made my afternoon. Thanks John & Sarah, I needed that !
:-)
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de La Valette Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:07:55am |
re: #637 Dustoff-507
You think they live in the same house.
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tradewind Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:08:51am |
Wow.... she is a basketball star!
Bring it on, Barry!
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Dustoff-507 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:08:54am |
BBL folks.
This thread is heading the wrong direction.
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hillbilly geek Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:09:22am |
...I still love you all, lizards! (That's *agape*, by the way) I just am getting tired.
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Optimizer Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:10:18am |
re: #333 Ben Hur
"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same," said Bill Burton, Obama Campaign Spokesman.
Now how would Obama like it if McCain's camp called him a "former drug user with zero foriegn policy experience"?
And since when does 3% GDP growth imply "failed economic policy"?
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hillbilly geek Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:10:30am |
re: #651 Dustoff-507
BBL folks.
This thread is heading the wrong direction.
I agree. All I'm gonna say on this topic. Lets move one and celebrate her politics, etc.
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Ringo the Gringo Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:12:53am |
Any relation to Michael Palin?
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Power Armored Lizardoid Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:15:35am |
Charles, I may have misunderestimated you, (heh, couldn't resist the GW term) but I was not trying to distort anything. Maybe there should be an official LGF definition of what a Creationist is...Because from what I can tell, the term has been thrown around LGF with same disdain, nay, disgust that I have when I utter the word Communist...
As long as LGF hasn't gone Anti-Christian (I can get that from most of the LameStream Media thanks) I'm cool.
And back to the discussion, I am very much looking forward to some McCain/Palin whupass at the debates...heh heh heh
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leftover54 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:17:45am |
And I'd be happy, personally, if the topic joined that
"other topic" that we do not speak of, up on the top shelf of that dark closet at the end of the hall (in a non descriptive, unlabeled box).
I'm certainly not a big roller 'round here but thats my .02 cents.
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Jeff S. Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:18:17am |
I've been voting in presidential elections since 1980, and the bottom of the ticket has never been a factor in my decision. I've never voted for a Democrat (in any election, at any level, which is no small feat in NYC), and I certainly don't intend to start now.
McCain is still a putrid candidate for the GOP, his choice for Veep mitigates nothing, but the prospect of a Democrat in the White House - much less Obama - compels me to vote for him.
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Dales Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:20:50am |
Charles,
"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
If this is what it takes to be considered a creationist, then I guess I am one. If a kid asks a question, the teacher should answer it or discuss it, rather than saying "oh, we can't talk about that in this class."
Most science teachers would be more than able to handle discussing it. I trust teachers.
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Grok the Fullness Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:22:10am |
charles....this is for you bro
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slokat Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:25:01am |
1. Todd Palin's mother is 1/4 Yu'pik Eskimo so bi-racial is not quite the correct term.
2. Some articles about the brother-in-law & the firing of Monegan, and denial of pressure over Wooten's conduct
There's a there, there - but it remains to be seen if this becomes a negative...
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Dales Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:29:20am |
Regarding my last comment- if that is what it takes to be considered a creationist, then I am both an evolutionist, since I believe in evolution, and a creationist, because I don't think there should be a prohibition of discussions in classrooms, as long as it isn't part of the curriculum.
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:33:51am |
re: #665 Dales
Regarding my last comment- if that is what it takes to be considered a creationist, then I am both an evolutionist, since I believe in evolution, and a creationist, because I don't think there should be a prohibition of discussions in classrooms, as long as it isn't part of the curriculum.
There are no prohibitions of discussion in science classrooms, and no one is proposing that there be any prohibitions. The problem for me, and for many who are opposed to creationism as a political ideology, is exactly the opposite: activist creationists (some of whom have been posting here at LGF) would like to prohibit the teaching of evolutionary biology, and replace it with "intelligent design."
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planetbrian Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:42:40am |
I told people about two months ago that it was going to be Palin.
It's a great pick. Congrats to her and conservatives.
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Salem Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:43:49am |
re: #575 ElKafir
I for one, am appalled by people who believe we humans know everything.
If you believe that dinosaurs and humans coexisted then you are a clown and your opinion is worthless.
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BrianA Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:44:03am |
re: #667 Charles
There are no prohibitions of discussion in science classrooms, and no one is proposing that there be any prohibitions. The problem for me, and for many who are opposed to creationism as a political ideology, is exactly the opposite: activist creationists (some of whom have been posting here at LGF) would like to prohibit the teaching of evolutionary biology, and replace it with "intelligent design."
Doesn't sound like a description of Palin as far as I've heard. This issue is a non-starter for this VP pick.
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Cap'n DOC Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:45:34am |
re: #578 Charles
Charles,
That's the sort of statement that drives me nuts. I have a Creator - one that I have turned to as an anchor when I desperately needed one. However, I won't condemn others because they don't believe as I do. They have 'free will', just as I do. I don't fall on the side of creation exclusively to throw away all kinds of evidence to support evolution, but I believe what I believe out of faith. Were that there were others who believed in Creation who wouldn't be so exclusionary in their beliefs. We'd all be better off.
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garycooper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:54:06am |
re: #609 ElKafir
I have a feeling, somewhere somehow, Hillary is snickering!
It's more of a "cackle," or "cry of the Shrieking Harridan," but yeah...she's tickled. :)
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:54:40am |
re: #670 BrianA
Doesn't sound like a description of Palin as far as I've heard. This issue is a non-starter for this VP pick.
That's what I posted in #641:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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garycooper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:56:14am |
re: #612 OldLineTexan
You're calling me ignorant? I guess you don't know the common-usage of the term, "creationist." That's okay, though, it's going to be in all the papers...
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neocon hippie Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:59:24am |
Count me as having very mixed feelings.
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garycooper Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:59:44am |
re: #639 chukardog
Dude, every great president we have ever had was a "creationist". Bush is a creationist, Reagan was creationist, ALL the founding fathers were creationists. They were all Christians and all believed god was responsible for creating the heaven and the earth. I don't buy it, but the fact that they did makes me admire them not hold them in contempt.
You're way off base, about the Founders. Better check the facts, about their religious beliefs.
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gunjam Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:06:13am |
re: #578 Charles
Also make sure to notice the numerous dishonest statements and gratuitous insults from creationists, many of whom see nothing wrong with lying to advance their cause
Ok, to be fair, we creationists -- myself especially -- are not perfect, but I don't think most of us resort to lying as a favorite tactic to debate evolutionists. Sometimes, in the heat of the debate, we may say things that are ill-thought-out, exaggerations, or even factually incorrect, but... LYING (as in DELIBERATE untruths)? Not so much as you might wish, Charles -- at least in my view.
Some of the ridiculous statements made by evolutionists on this blog, while probably not (deliberate) lies, are far from credible, in my view.
When it comes to insults -- gratuitous or otherwise, on these lgf creation/evolution threads, it seems to me that both sides have been pretty adept at hurling them... including even you, at times, Charles, .... and .... yes, me, also.
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gunjam Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:09:34am |
re: #641 Charles
A lot of over-reaction here to my statement that I'm disappointed to find out that Palin's a creationist.
It's not a deal-breaker, because she doesn't appear to be the fanatical kind who will try to push it into schools. But I am disappointed to find out that another Republican politician takes the side of pseudo-science
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an honest, well-measured, and tempered statement by someone whom I regard very highly and with whom I usually agree (except, of course, on the issue of creation v. evolution).
By the way: I don't mind voting for McCain, even though he is an evolutionist.
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HBob Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:12:04am |
re: #120 Charles
Her position on creationism is at least not as extreme as Bobby Jindal's, and there's no evidence she believes in exorcism, so she has that going for her.
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
According to the Obama web site?!
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gunjam Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:12:29am |
re: #602 hillbilly geek
Creationism is the new communism.
Wow. Are you feeling okay?
Note that it is evolution that is devotedly taught in schools in countries ruled by Communist regimes.
Thus your metaphor is not apt.... in the least.
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:16:22am |
re: #677 gunjam
Ok, to be fair, we creationists -- myself especially -- are not perfect, but I don't think most of us resort to lying as a favorite tactic to debate evolutionists. Sometimes, in the heat of the debate, we may say things that are ill-thought-out, exaggerations, or even factually incorrect, but... LYING (as in DELIBERATE untruths)? Not so much as you might wish, Charles -- at least in my view.
Yes, there has been quite a bit of lying from creationists in these threads. And I'm far from the only one who has noticed it.
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Colonel Panik Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:21:45am |
re: #669 Salem
If you believe that dinosaurs and humans coexisted then you are a clown and your opinion is worthless.
One can believe in an intelligence behind the creation of the universe without believing that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
That's "young earth" creationism which I think is jut whacky.
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madisonsfriend Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:26:15am |
Creationists are not the same as people who believe in evolution and also believe in God. Don't try to pull that nonsense. A belief in creationism makes me question someone's intellect- a lot. No one is going to be made to believe anything because of a candidate's/office holder's religious beliefs or most other beliefs Bush can think the Saudis are our friends- anyone here not know that is not true? Of cuorse, that belief is causing us a lot mroe trouble than Palin think the earth was created 5760 years ago. .
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GGMac Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:29:36am |
re: #166 Charles
She's been a governor for less than half the time Obama's been a senator, for starters.
Yes, but isn't it the case that she's actually been at work every day - doing the job she was elected to do - as opposed to hishusseinness who, with State & Federal senate combined has been at work what - maybe 35 minutes?
/only slightly sarcastic.
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Caliphornian Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:30:50am |
OK.. Palin's resume, from what I've been able to glean from online reports:
Commercial fisherwoman
Truck driver
Sportscaster
City Council, Wasilla,AK
Mayor, Wasilla, AL
Member AK state Oil and Gas Commission (resigned in protest against corruption, sued other members and got fines against them)
Ran for Governor against Don Young in primary and beat him (Young is AK favorite politician)
Beat former Anchorage Mayor Knowles for Governor
Governor for 2 years.
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Big Al Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:31:42am |
Can someone tell me why you are all so gung-ho about this pick? Aren't any of you concerned that a person with very little executive or foreign policy experience is a heartbeat away from the presidency? I can reconcile with McCain as a pick but who the heck is she? Governor of Alaska? I'm very concerned about this pick. I think Obama and Biden are going to tear her apart.
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Salem Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:32:40am |
re: #682 Colonel Panik
One can believe in an intelligence behind the creation of the universe without believing that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
That's "young earth" creationism which I think is jut whacky.
That doesn't follow from my response to the other guy, but okay for you. He clearly was implying that because we understand as a fact that man and dinosaurs didn't coexist that means we think we know everything.
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Salem Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:36:38am |
re: #684 madisonsfriend
Creationists are not the same as people who believe in evolution and also believe in God. Don't try to pull that nonsense. A belief in creationism makes me question someone's intellect- a lot. No one is going to be made to believe anything because of a candidate's/office holder's religious beliefs or most other beliefs Bush can think the Saudis are our friends- anyone here not know that is not true? Of cuorse, that belief is causing us a lot mroe trouble than Palin think the earth was created 5760 years ago. .
I hope this question is asked at the debates and I hope Palin is forced to answer whether she is a young-earther or not. And if that costs McCain the election then I guess he made a mistake picking her.
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hazzyday Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:51:18am |
re: #90 Nevergiveup
It ain't so.
The majority of the world's population are creationists. Just not yec'rs. The key discriminating point being if one believes in evolution as described by science or not. The problem in the broad discussion is that critics of evolution conflate yec'ism with creationism much as people conflate Darwinism with current evolutionary theory. In the blogs we learn to discriminate. Anything outside the blog world needs to account for the fact that the person saying "creationism" probably is applying a broad concept to something we consider narrowly.
The definitions of creationism and evolution need to be better refined.
I see Palin here dancing around the point a bit. I would need to know what church she goes to. Even then parishoners don't always buy everything the pastor says. See BHO.
I wonder how she will be vetted. Crossing my fingers. And how well she will stand up to the national scrutiny. THank God BHO we can critique BHO.
In my years of church attendance. Creationism was never discussed in any form. The time space continuum of Genesis was left to the parishoners imagination.
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HBob Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:52:13am |
re: #687 Big Al
Can someone tell me why you are all so gung-ho about this pick? Aren't any of you concerned that a person with very little executive or foreign policy experience is a heartbeat away from the presidency? I can reconcile with McCain as a pick but who the heck is she? Governor of Alaska? I'm very concerned about this pick. I think Obama and Biden are going to tear her apart.
Don't confuse being a senator with having executive experience. When you bring up executive experience it highlights how much more she has than any other person on either ticket.
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Land Shark Fri, Aug 29, 2008 11:52:20am |
Already the MSM is harping on her inexperience. Well, bring it on! She accomplished more in her two years as Governor than NObama has in his time as a state and US Senator. And she doesn't have to suppress efforts to look into her background like NObama has tried to do on his association with that despicable anti-American terrorist Ayers.
Plus, she solidifies the GOP base with her strong conservatism, anti-abortion stand and those Hillary Clinton supporters who were thinking about voting for McCain instead of NObama must really be seriously thinking about it now. Her oldest son is the Army. I tell you, folks, this was a great move by McCain.
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Jaydee Fri, Aug 29, 2008 12:04:06pm |
At last! Things are beginning to look brighter.
Hillary voters are looking happy at this choice.
Go Girl Go!
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hazzyday Fri, Aug 29, 2008 12:15:24pm |
One of the tough issues I think is that if you were to ask all the people in religions if they were "creationists". They would mostly all say "YES". If you were to ask the same people if they were "yec'rs", the resulting "YES" count would be smaller.
The term ID has the same problem. We come into a common arguement without accepting the same axioms or context.
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jaydee Fri, Aug 29, 2008 12:15:39pm |
Land Shark
I tell you, folks, this was a great move by McCain.
Yup! I think so too.
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NY Nana Fri, Aug 29, 2008 12:33:20pm |
re: #584 bikeguy65
This is a non issue for most of the voters. It certainly won't hurt with the base but I can't think of a time where it was ever an issue.
It is a big issue to many; those who have children in state-funded public schools all over our country, and in my case, 2 of my grandchildren, ages 6 and 8, who attend public schools..
IMHO, ID, etc., have no place in any public school, at any time.
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theheat Fri, Aug 29, 2008 12:42:07pm |
Kee-rist, another Fundie pick. I can get behind the NRA, I can get behind the freshness of a woman with experience, I can get behind fiscal conservatism and foreign policy, but the creationist, anti-gay, anti-choice Fundie pandering is tiresome.
Don't GOP nominees understand the religious right is going to pull the lever for anything with an R beside it, anyway? They have no other choice, so why keep pandering to their agenda? I honestly don't believe McCain subscribes to half the Fundie horseshit, anyway, so it pisses me off GOP nominees spend so much time wringing their hands over their religious concerns. I'm just fucking sick to death of it, not to mention it isn't going to woo many Dems over.
In a race that's currently running 50/50, I feel it's a stupid choice. We have a war hero fossil with some good ideas paired side-by-side with a female Fundie, running against a hoping/changing/progressive America-hating apologist empty suit with charisma and his blabbermouth pseudo-socialist plagiarist sidekick. To a great number of people disenchanted with old school GOP, and the Bush administration in particular, this brings nothing but a different set of chromosomes to the table. BFD.
JFC, give me another beer. This sucks. Goddamn, this sucks.
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Salem Fri, Aug 29, 2008 12:45:50pm |
re: #698 theheat
Okay, so who do you think he should have picked?
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Charles Fri, Aug 29, 2008 12:59:05pm |
The facts so far on Sarah Palin and creationism:
Apparently Palin originally stated that she supported the teaching of creationism in public schools:
The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.
But then, probably after taking some heat for that statement, she softened her stance considerably:
In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:
"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.
Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.
"I won't have religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism," Palin said.
Source: [Link: scienceblogs.com...]
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Sorge Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:00:48pm |
From Charles:
"Ugh. I'm not thrilled.
Sarah Palin is a creationist."
How exactly did rejecting creationism become the sine qua non for an acceptable Republican politician?
There are many ways of being wrong, and creationism is not the worst of them. Not by a long shot.
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I Need A Bigger Gun Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:03:27pm |
I always thought (and still, to this day, think) the pick of Geraldine Ferraro by Walter Mondale was a publicity stunt by a desperate campaign. This, however, is not a publicity stunt. And McCain's campaign is not desperate. Sarah might overtake Michael and become my favorite Palin.
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SummerSong Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:04:31pm |
re: #82 maddogg
That poll on TMZ is not if you approve of this VP pick, it is a
"would you do her" poll. And in that, she doesn't have positive 70%.
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theheat Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:05:13pm |
re: #700 NY Nana
Gag me with a Ginsu. I'm on my third beer. To me, this is utterly repugnant, not to mention it was totally unnecessary. He HAD the GOP vote, no matter, but he had to go and be a complete Fundie sellout, just like every other GOP. Just how the hell was this going to appeal to the PUMAs and steal votes from Obama?
I'm already getting the Fundie emails in my inbox, and they're banging their cages like baboons. Finally, someone to help them fight the War on Christmas, and the hope of yet more Jesus in the classroom.
Screw it. I'll down a six pack by nightfall.
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Land Shark Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:08:28pm |
re: #698 theheat
I disagree with you. Most conservatives I've heard from are really happy with the choice. Solidifying the GOP behind him was one of McCain's biggest problems before this pick, now it seems he has. Rush Limbaugh is very happy. I hear the evangelicals are very happy. I checked the Hillary Supporters for McCain website and they're very happy.
Quite frankly, I have not seen enthusiasm for McCain anywhere near as high as I'm starting to see now. There are potential pitfalls for sure, but I'm starting to sense an energy in the McCain campaign I haven't sensed before. It's still gonna be a tough election, no question about it, but I like our chances of preventing a Dumbama presidency better now.
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NY Nana Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:09:12pm |
Please see it all:
McCain Speech Tied to Intelligent Design Group Draws Fire
Friday at noon in Seattle, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., will speak at a luncheon event being co-presented by the Discovery Institute -- the controversial organization that promotes intelligent design theory and combats Darwinism.
McCain is beng hammered by a liberal group for associating with the Discovery Institute, although the luncheon is being formally hosted by the CityClub of Seattle and the Seattle World Affairs Council, with the Discovery Institute is one of nine organizations "co-presenting" the event.
"Despite its self-proclaimed position as an unbiased think tank, the Discovery Institute has played a central role in the religious right's national campaign to undermine science education," Campaign to Defend the Constitution co-director Clark Stevens wrote to McCain Thursday. "Under the guise of 'teaching the controversy' the Institute has strived to discredit the theory of evolution -- a theory that has withstood decades of critical analysis from the scientific community -- and replace it with a religiously motivated pseudo-science with no scientific standing."
McCain's campaign pooh-poohs the controversy.
"He's addressing the Seattle World Affairs Council and CityClub of Seattle and there are a number of co-presenters as well, of which the Discovery Institute is one," says McCain exploratory committee spokesman Brian Jones.
Jones says he has seen the senator's speech and it "will focus on issues relating to foreign affairs, specifically about the Pacific Rim."
The Campaign to Defend the Constitution's Timi Gerson says the subject of McCain's speech doesn't matter, and is not the issue.
"It's outrageous for a nationally respected political leader of his stature -- who is furthermore a member of the Senate Committee charged with overseeing science -- to do anything co-sponsored by a group with an explicit anti-science agenda that is trying to push theology in the classroom," Gerson said.
Murky Policy From McCain
Critics say that McCain's position on teaching intelligent design in schools is not easy to decipher.
In 2005, he told the Arizona Star, "I think that there has to be all points of view presented. But they've got to be thoroughly presented. So to say that you can only teach one line of thinking & or one belief on how people and the world was created I think there's nothing wrong with teaching different schools of thought."
When asked if intelligent design should be taught in science class, McCain said, "There's enough scientists that believe it does. I'm not a scientist. This is something that I think all points of view should be presented."
But in Aspen in 2006, McCain said of intelligent design, "Should it be taught as a science class? Probably not."
McCain's view on how the world was created, however, is pretty straight-forward. At that same Aspen event, McCain said "I happen to believe in evolution" though he said he "respect[s] those who think the world was created in seven days."
In his most recent book "Character Is Destiny," McCain (and co-author Mark Salter) wrote a glowing chapter on Charles Darwin and argued that evolution and religion are not mutually exclusive.
"Darwin helped explain nature's laws," McCain and Salter wrote. "He did not speculate, in his published theories at least, on the origin of life. The only undeniable challenge the theory of evolution poses to Christian beliefs is its obvious contradiction of the idea that God created the world as it is in less than a week.
"But our faith is certainly not so weak that it can be shaken to learn that a biblical metaphor is not literal history," they added. "Nature does not threaten our faith. [...]
*Sigh*
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NY Nana Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:22:50pm |
re: #706 theheat
I can understand how you feel...and hope your B/P will not go up when you read my #708. I feel like I am between a rock and a hard place. This is bound to be used against McCain and Palin, and not just by Demonrats.
I will vote for McCain, as the alternative is unthinkable, but it will be the most difficult vote of my life. I had no idea about this until today, not a clue.
I have to wonder just how completely vetted Palin was by McCain's people, but he damned well should have done research on his own, and realized that the ID bomb would be dropped on him, especially since Palin is also an ID believer.
I have had very little to say on the ID threads, as they were so contentious, and insulting to Charles.
I posted usually on the public schools' involvement, but usually waited until the thread was way off-topic, and then joined in.
So help me, I feel like I have been punched in the stomach.
Someone ought to make clothespins for the election, to put on our noses....they would sell like hotcakes.
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theheat Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:23:05pm |
re: #707 Land Shark
My point is whther or not the GOPs were happy with his choice, they would have voted Republican, anyway. (Face it, Rush and the evangelicals would have pulled the R lever if Charles Manson ran on the R ticket. They would have complained, but they'd still do it.) Their vote was already in the bag. So, by reaching even farther right, McCain probably just kissed those on the fence goodbye.
There's plenty of time before the election for Obama's camp to paint the McCain/Palin ticket as old school Fundie, and McCain just gave him the ammunition he needs. That's what I have a problem with. Never mind Obama sucks, sucks hard and sucks often; the guy is practically bulletproof as far as the media is concerned. McCain has not had that advantage, and I believe he just gave up some ground with this decision.
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jamsler Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:43:30pm |
re: #698 theheat
Your post has all the class and refinment I expect to see in the average KOS post.
Makes you appear to be a huge asshole.
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dartmouth Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:45:13pm |
re: #120 Charles
But McCain has just taken the issue of "experience" out of play. She has even less experience than Obama.
Executive experience is what metters, and Obama has none. Any airbag in a suit can vote yes/no (or in Obama's case, "present") in the Senate. Not everyone has demonstrated the ability to actually run a state, and end up with an 80+% approval rating to boot!
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theheat Fri, Aug 29, 2008 1:56:58pm |
re: #711 jamsler
I very well may be an asshole. (Okay, I probably am.) But I'm not the one who may have just lost the election to a dangerous anti-American idiot because of completely unnecessary religious pandering. I think that would make someone else an even bigger asshole, an asshole that screwed the pooch for all of us.
What, should thanks be in order?
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hillbilly geek Fri, Aug 29, 2008 2:11:42pm |
re: #713 theheat
What you see as a bug may be a feature, if there are enough of us fundies out there. Of course, vicey-versy, but...
(stops to read the crude post again) nope, you sir, suffer from cranio-rectal impaction at least potty mouth.
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beholden Fri, Aug 29, 2008 2:12:45pm |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. I'm not thrilled.
Sarah Palin is a creationist.
I'm with you on most things Charles, but this anti-creationism thing has me baffled. How, exactly does her being a creationist affect you? Is she going to force you to become religious against your will somehow?
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Dales Fri, Aug 29, 2008 2:15:59pm |
The problem for me, and for many who are opposed to creationism as a political ideology, is exactly the opposite: activist creationists (some of whom have been posting here at LGF) would like to prohibit the teaching of evolutionary biology, and replace it with "intelligent design."
Charles, thanks for responding, and I see you added a new thread on this as well.
I can't argue with your stance.
But I think it is clear that Palin isn't like that. Obviously, when she said "teach both" she wasn't saying to prohibit teaching evolutionary biology, and I get the impression from that article that it was more along the lines of "teach everything, what's the big deal?" Which to my ears would mean teaching that one is science and the other is a religious theory and not science.
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hillbilly geek Fri, Aug 29, 2008 2:16:44pm |
The difference between science and the fuzzy subjects is that science requires reasoning while those other subjects merely require scholarship.
Robert A. Heinlein
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hillbilly geek Fri, Aug 29, 2008 2:19:21pm |
When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives.
Robert A. Heinlein
believe it or not, I do agree with this.
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jamsler Fri, Aug 29, 2008 2:31:53pm |
re: #713 theheat
What one person sees as pandering to the religious right, another may see as moral conviction. The republican base is composed mainly of the latter. So throwing the term "fundie" around can be construed in a very negative way. Inasmuch as I believe that an Obama presidency would mean disaster, Conservatives are pretty much stuck with McCain no matter who he chooses as running mate. So it makes sense that he'd pick a running mate that keeps the religious right in his camp. She'll do that quite handily. She also has the potential to sway many ex Hillary supporters. I think she is a very good choice for McCain, from a winning the election standpoint. And truth be told, I'm an asshole too.
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SnakeSpit Fri, Aug 29, 2008 2:40:23pm |
I'm certain that at least half of the lizard army are creationists. Probably more. There are at least three religions represented on LGF.
They are:
Evolutionists
Atheists
Creationists
Can't we get past that in our discussions about the candidates for President and Vice-President?
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Dr. Shalit Fri, Aug 29, 2008 3:13:01pm |
Everyone -
Was busy, sorry not to be near the top of this thread. As you all know, my candidate was Mitt Romney. Were I Mitt Romney, and have won the Republican Nomination, I would have picked Gov. Palin. In short, the "Doctor" is pleased - very pleased in fact :)
-S-
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TheQuay Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:53:29pm |
I am thrilled about McCains pick, it's Obama's worst nightmare come true.
McCain/Palin "08"
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AReadyRepub Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:18:28pm |
Sarah Palin! Woo Hoooooooooooo! Talk about stealing a page out of the libtards playbook. She is what we need to win. What a combo! Couldn't be happier, can't wait to vote, can't wait to win.
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AReadyRepub Fri, Aug 29, 2008 9:20:49pm |
re: #19 phoenixgirl
Awe, give Mac a break. He is a good guy. This is supposed to be a party building a big tent. Do we all have to be parrots like the Dems?
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xb80 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:16:40pm |
Cindy and Sarah sure beat the arrogant moron and the other moron. I guess I'll stay on the planet a little longer.
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leftover54 Fri, Aug 29, 2008 10:25:54pm |
re: #601 GregInSeattle
Yes, thank you ! And the comment wasn't meant to be a "put down". I just lived among enough NY hipper than tho types over the years to know her accent has already
"inspired" a half dozen comedy sketches before she even finished her speech. In a way the fictional character in "Fargo" shared similar traits - smart, tough, confident, level headed and she was pregnant through out the movie (should an expectant mother really be working in a high risk/danger job as Co. Sheriff ?).
I always wondered if the writers/producers expected the audience to find her hysterically typical red neck or admirable tough as nails feminine ideal hero type - should we root for her or laugh at her ? Know what I mean ?
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Mordecai Sat, Aug 30, 2008 2:21:24am |
I think it is a good choice. It is not aimed at getting the vote of the supporters of Hillary Clinton. It is a choice that tries to get again the vote of all those republican voters that could have stayed at home on election day. This way he can get that vote back and balances things. This election is going to be very contended.
Go, Sarah!
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alteredbeat Sat, Aug 30, 2008 9:49:27am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. I'm not thrilled.
Sarah Palin is a creationist.
Pretty much sums up what this blog as come to and why I only come here about once a month instead of what used to be several times a day.
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Land Shark Sat, Aug 30, 2008 10:23:30am |
re: #710 theheat
No question. But with a solidified conservative base now showing more enthusiasm, and given someone to vote for instead of against, the narrative of the Democrats and MSM is less relevant. Her story and her good points are very appealing outside of the conservative base. I'm not concerned with the inexperience issue because this woman is a far more experienced administrator/executive than Obama by a long shot.
I think because of LGF's contentious (and necessary) discussions on creationism vs. evolution and the what I believe to be wrongheaded concept of shoving creationism/ID into science education where it doesn't belong, the accusation of being a fundie is a big deal here. But compared to Obama's quesationable past associations, Palin is an open book, I really don't think it will stick with negative effect.
With the solidified conservative base behind him, McCain doesn't need as many Hillary supporters to vote for him, nor does he need them as badly. Yet this move also will do nothing but help his appeal there. Already, even before picking Sarah Palin something like 30% of Hiilary's supporters were going to vote for McCain or considering it. I'll bet that number is growing now, if the reports from Hillary blogs is any indication. And I believe any large scale support from this block will sway a substantial number of independents and the like to support the GOP ticket.
The Democrat/MSM narrative will not carry as much weight as usual. If the GOP has any brains, they will have Palin appear in campaign events of their congressional candidates and continue generating the enthusiasm she's generated with the conservative base. The more people look into her, the more good stuff they will find. Good for us, bad for Dem.
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