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 RetweetDaily Kos: Sarah Palin, 'Dominionist Stalking Horse'

Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:59:15 pm PDT

Of course, the Kos Kids are first out of the gate with a massive smear attack on Sarah Palin: Daily Kos: Sarah Palin: Dominionist Stalking Horse.

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1 Sizzlack  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:00:24pm

Boy the Kidz are angry and deranged today... just another day is Kosville.

2 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:01:26pm

Bitterly clinging to their lies and distortions. Typical lefties.

3 Cognito  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:01:48pm

I hear she lures children to her gingerbread cottage, fattens them up, and then gobbles 'em down.

You didn't think "mooseburger" was made of moose, did you?

4 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:02:10pm
5 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:02:10pm

neopentecostal dominionists

AAAHHHGGGRRRHHH

*runs screaming into the night*

6 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:02:23pm

Sometimes you can measure the effectiveness of a candidate by how loud the oppositions squawks.

7 jorline  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:02:33pm

The moonbats are seething...Obama had a 12 hour bump...that's it!

8 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:02:33pm

What? Really, what the hell does that mean? Paranoia on display. Asshattery at its finest!

9 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:03:01pm

WTF is a Dominionist? I read some of the link and still didn't get it.

10 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:03:18pm

re: #4 ploome hineni

what does that mean?

I don't know either, but its spooky!

11 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:03:39pm
Palin, who was elected Governor in 2007, is Alaska’s youngest governor and the first female governor of the state. She just recently gave birth to her fifth child, Trig. Palin spoke of the faith challenge she faced when learning that Trig would be a Downs Syndrome child. However, she and her husband, Todd, believe that every child is a gift of God, deserving of life, and that God was asking them to accept His will for their lives. The Alaska District Council believes that the State of Alaska is blessed to have a woman of faith and courage as Governor.

Them's some rather damning facts.

//

12 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:03:58pm

"Dominionist"?

lol

That's what they come up with? "Dominionist"?

What are the Kos Kids? Powerlessness-ists? Anarchists? Milquetoast-ists?

lol

To have "dominion" means to "exercise responsible control over." It's like "stewardship."

Not "rape pillage plunder and exploit."

That's for Islamists.

13 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:04:02pm

re: #4 ploome hineni

what does that mean?

If you have to ask, you're the enemy.

/Leftist intellectual

14 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:04:04pm

Ain't it neat to see "progressive" "liberals" bash a woman/minority into the ground, step on them and grind away with their heels? What an altruistic party.

(What F*cking hyprocrites and reactionaries!)

15 jetprop  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:04:10pm

re: #6 rawmuse

Exactly

16 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:04:25pm

re: #9 Semper Gumbi

WTF is a Dominionist? I read some of the link and still didn't get it.

Dominionism

17 Kitty  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:05:06pm

It sounds like she goes to an Assembly of God church. Contrary to popular believe they do not swing on the chandeliers.

18 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:05:27pm

Now pastors concern them? Id-jits.

19 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:05:28pm

What does the word dominionist mean?

20 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:05:30pm

Let them attack. It's not as if she belongs to a church whose leader calls upon the Lord God to damn America.

21 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:05:43pm

They're referring to Genesis. "Have dominion over the beasts and fishes," etc. As if that is ever taken to mean "the Ruination of Creation is legitimized by God."

This is just another Lie of the Left.

22 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:05:55pm

Gee, that didn't take long.

Although it's hardly surprising when you consider that the Palin selection casts into stark contrast the difference between the two tickets. McCain with an established (and now reinforced) reputation as a “maverick” has chosen a former governor of Alaska, Americas last frontier, while BO has chosen a consummate Washington insider. You can’t get any clearer a divide between the ticket of self-sufficiency, and the ticket of the “nanny state”.

I'm sure the very concept of independence and self-sufficiency scares the living snot out of the average Kossack

23 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:06:10pm

What's creepy? Obama's pastor of 20 some years.
oh wait - he gets a free pass because Obama is a Democrat.

24 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:06:17pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

Thanks. reading that, IMO, it appears that Dominionism is lefty made-up bullshit.

25 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:06:29pm

re: #4 ploome hineni

what does that mean?

Basically they think she's a bible thumper who will install a theocracy.

26 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:06:39pm

re: #9 Semper Gumbi

WTF is a Dominionist? I read some of the link and still didn't get it.

Somebody from Virginia?

Hey, nobody said geography was their strong suit...

27 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:06:58pm

re: #14 Russkilitlover

Ain't it neat to see "progressive" "liberals" bash a woman/minority into the ground, step on them and grind away with their heels? What an altruistic party.

(What F*cking hyprocrites and reactionaries!)

They're just getting started. The next two days are going to be interesting over in HuffDUKosistan.

I wouldn't call it a waste of time for any strong-stomached types to hang out over there this weekend and pick things out for a "Mysoginy of the Daily Kos" series.

28 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:06:59pm

I'd be willing to bet that she does not have to disown her pastor, for political expediency.

29 Charles  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:07:06pm

Dominionism is real enough, but the evidence given in this Kos Kid's post that Palin follows that line is slim to nonexistent. I looked into some of it, and found several distortions, including the same 'creationist' distortion I posted about earlier.

30 simpleman  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:07:53pm

Whoa... hold on. I know a dominionist stalking horse, and Sarah Palin is no dominionist stalking horse.

31 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:07:54pm

re: #6 rawmuse

Sometimes you can measure the effectiveness of a candidate by how loud the oppositions squawks.

Anton Chekhov (my personal hero) once remarked that he knew he was being true because he was being attacked by both the right and the left. (This was after the publication of his stories based on his trips through Siberian prison camps). Prior to that he published "Peasants." Probably the most human-ly told story in existence.

32 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:00pm

Via Hot Air..check this one out. I know it's been said many times and many ways but those people are sick, sick, sick.

33 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:01pm

re: #29 Charles

Yes, the evidence is negligible, but that doesn't matter. What matters is whether this "narrative" or "metaphor" for Palin will stick.

34 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:04pm

re: #25 jcm

Basically they think she's a bible thumper who will install a theocracy.

Fast out of the gates with that one, I see. I put money on "redneck" next.

35 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:05pm

re: #26 CIA Reject

Somebody from Virginia?

Hey, nobody said geography was their strong suit...

Oh man, Upding for that one! And I live in Virginia.

36 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:10pm

re: #24 Semper Gumbi

No- it's not made-up BS, but has a lot to do with Rushdoony.

37 kuffar  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:13pm

I am not a christian and I am a dominionist.

38 LEGION  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:14pm

Look at the lefty piggies squeal! Wool over some eyes will be pulled off the way they are treating her- McCain/Palin in a LANDSLIDE!LANDSLIDE

39 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:25pm

So grown-up, those Koskids.

40 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:32pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

If that's the only thing they have on Gov. Palin, I don't think we have to worry much: they seem to accuse every religious conservative of that to some degree. They even cited the creationism smear Charles noted in the last thread.

41 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:34pm

re: #20 MandyManners

Let them attack. It's not as if she belongs to a church whose leader calls upon the Lord God to damn America.

Spot, SPOT, SPOT on MM!

42 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:51pm

And we all know are favorite neo-leftist, Andrew Sullivan, declares anyone on the right who even remotely has a connection to anything remotely Christian is a "Chrstianist" - while anyone extolling the virtues of whacked out Marxist-Christianity gets a pass of his slur.

43 Mister Ghost  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:08:54pm

It's the Dominion from Star Trek: Deep Space 9. The Kos Kids believe Sarah Palin is a Changeling and may be trying infiltrate her way to the highest echelons of our government.

44 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:09:09pm

re: #29 Charles

Dominionism is real enough, but the evidence given in this Kos Kid's post that Palin follows that line is slim to nonexistent. I looked into some of it, and found several distortions, including the same 'creationist' distortion I posted about earlier.

Thanks for looking into it. Would have been a deal breaker for me.

45 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:09:15pm

re: #25 jcm

Basically they think she's a bible thumper who will install a theocracy.

While they put up a nihilist with a comb-over...

46 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:09:30pm
47 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:09:36pm

re: #43 Mister Ghost

It's the Dominion from Star Trek: Deep Space 9. The Kos Kids believe Sarah Palin is a Changeling and may be trying infiltrate her way to the highest echelons of our government.

LOL

48 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:10:03pm

re: #29 Charles

Dominionism is real enough, but the evidence given in this Kos Kid's post that Palin follows that line is slim to nonexistent. I looked into some of it, and found several distortions, including the same 'creationist' distortion I posted about earlier.

I'm from Alaska, much of my family lives there still, if there are dominionists up there they sure do hide it well, I've never seen one.

49 mich-again  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:10:15pm

Obama's base can't possibly follow that complicated trail of bread crumbs.

Dude needs to simplify it to 5 words or less.

50 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:10:17pm

Basically if you are a left-wing democrat - your religion is off limits.

If you are a conservative Republican - your religion is suspect and to be mocked, ridiculed and shat upon.

51 Drained Brain  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:10:18pm

They also posted this gem for awhile before they removed it.

Staying classy...

52 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:10:19pm
53 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:11:26pm

re: #34 Pawn of the Oppressor

Fast out of the gates with that one, I see. I put money on "redneck" next.

It's already out there...

54 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:11:29pm

re: #25 jcm

Basically they think she's a bible thumper who will install a theocracy.

And we would have had the same thing with Romney. So let's get behind this ticket, as the alternative is...horrifying.

55 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:11:49pm

re: #32 Bobblehead

At least, according to the Poll, a plurality of kossocks think that the story should be killed because it is a private matter.

56 HBob  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:11:56pm

Better than being a demonic, horse's ass.

57 Geepers  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:12:03pm

dogemperor says:

Here's hoping this article starts shining a little bit of light on the subject--the last thing we need a literal heartbeat away from the Presidency is a ninja dominionist.

LOL. He's got 52 links in that post.

58 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:12:03pm

"stealth dominionist" is koskidzspeak for Manchurian Candidate

59 LEGION  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:12:22pm

PALIN = PALADIN HAVE GUN WILL TRAVEL! THIS IS A BRILLIANT CHESS MOVE ON THE PART OF JOHNNY- SHE IS A GUN FOR HIRE TO SLAY THE EVIL OBAMA!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The knight symbol is in reference to his name—possibly a nickname or working name—and his occupation as a champion-for-hire (see paladin). The theme song of the series refers to him as "a knight without armor." In addition, Paladin drew a parallel between his methods and the chess piece's movement: "It's a chess piece, the most versatile on the board. It can move in eight different directions, over obstacles, and it's always unexpected."

60 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:12:28pm

re: #51 Drained Brain

They also posted this gem for awhile before they removed it.

Staying classy...

Oh, vile swine. That's lower than whale shit.

In the good ol' days, it'd be pistols at dawn.

61 SouthAmericanWay  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:12:38pm

They are mad as hell, because, as Erick in RedState wrote:

"Sarah Palin Runs A State. Barack Obama Runs His Mouth."

62 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:12:45pm

re: #51 Drained Brain

They also posted this gem for awhile before they removed it.

Staying classy...

Oh how much do the moonbats suck? Let me kount the ways.

63 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:12:48pm

re: #12 godfrey

"Dominionist"?

lol

That's what they come up with? "Dominionist"?

What are the Kos Kids? Powerlessness-ists? Anarchists? Milquetoast-ists?

lol

To have "dominion" means to "exercise responsible control over." It's like "stewardship."

Not "rape pillage plunder and exploit."

That's for Islamists.

And Communists too.

64 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:12:57pm

Blindsided I tell you, blindsided! Those idiots don't know what to do. Best just to laugh at their paranoid ravings.

65 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:13:03pm

re: #60 MandyManners

Fencing foils. Those were the days.

66 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:13:04pm

The kos kids are just bitter because Palin is cuter than Markos Moulitsas Zúniga

67 Drained Brain  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:13:10pm

re: #60 MandyManners

Oh, vile swine. That's lower than whale shit.

In the good ol' days, it'd be pistols at dawn.

Them's my sentiments too!

68 Pshawalaw  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:13:16pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

Dominionism

So, then Al Gore is also a Dominionist.

69 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:13:30pm

re: #35 Semper Gumbi

Oh man, Upding for that one! And I live in Virginia.

Thanks! Sometimes I think that the left gets all of its material from the "Guaranteed Effective All-Occasion Non-Slanderous Political Smear Speech"

70 mich-again  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:13:38pm

I wonder if that guy ever wrote about Obama's old church TUCC and Reverend Wright. I bet if he did it would be chock full of racism of lowered expectations.

71 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:13:39pm

I think in this kosling's mind, all you have to do to be a Dominionist is go to church once a week.

72 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:14:07pm

re: #54 Russkilitlover

And we would have had the same thing with Romney. So let's get behind this ticket, as the alternative is...horrifying.

They'd trot that out about anyone with a more fundamental Christian belief.

73 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:14:25pm

re: #19 Maximu§

What does the word dominionist mean?

Someone who won't drink Marxist Kool-Aid.

74 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:14:40pm

"Dominionist"? Does that mean she's into leather?
/

Sheesh. Do those morons not realize that with every slam they make against her, they undermine any other female candidate, including Her Thighness.

75 WrathofG-d  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:14:51pm

Funny how these sort of things "dominionism" etc., are considered the natural wrong while enforced specific beliefs of secularism are taught to be considered right.

76 arizona9  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:15:21pm

To watch how fast and how far the left will attack her as a woman will be fascinating. Completely predictable but fascinating. Already, I heard an attack on her bashing her over how could she be a good mother while being VP. The hypocrisy wer're about to witness will be unlike anything we've ever seen. Unprecedented

77 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:15:27pm

Republican Party = dominionist.

Get used to it, you trolls. Your party platform is emptier than a Mojave lake in June.

78 Pshawalaw  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:15:30pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

Dominionism

I should have included this quote to give my comment context.

Christians typically interpret this verse as meaning that God gave humankind responsibility over the Earth

So, then AlGore is also a dominionist.

79 LEGION  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:16:37pm

Have Gun – Will Travel

Richard Boone as Paladin
Genre Western
Created by Sam Rolfe
Herb Meadow
Starring Richard Boone
Theme music composer Johnny Western
Richard Boone
Sam Rolfe (closing theme)
Opening theme composed by Bernard Herrmann
Ending theme "Ballad of Paladin"
Country of origin United States
Language(s) English
No. of seasons 6
No. of episodes 225

80 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:17:22pm

re: #60 MandyManners

Oh, vile swine. That's lower than whale shit.

In the good ol' days, it'd be pistols at dawn.

Where I come from, the brothers, uncles and male cousins wold not wait until dawn. The only thing left at dawn would be the smoldering ruins of the house where the mountebank who said this once lived.

81 mamashawna  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:17:23pm

I'm sitting here watching Rush's web cam broadcast from earlier today, and just LOVING THIS! Woo hoo!

82 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:17:33pm

I need to change my avatar. I'm not feeling so panicky anymore. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking the campaign season might just be highly entertaining.

83 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:17:35pm

Gotta' go sling some hash. bbl

84 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:17:45pm

re: #78 Pshawalaw

So, then AlGore is also a dominionist.

As with most scriptural precepts it has a flip side. The flip side to be given dominion is stewardship of what God has given.

85 kuffar  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:17:46pm

If she was a Chrisitian fundie, why didn't she tow the Conservative Christian Fundie line with respect to LGBT rights...

86 HBob  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:18:05pm

Some ass hat probably "earned" a master's degree by making up the word dominionism.

One ass hat's life's work is another man's sniglet.

87 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:18:09pm

re: #68 Pshawalaw

So, then Al Gore is also a Dominionist.

And the Gand Mufti Warmist

88 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:18:13pm

so decided to watch the MSM nightly news...picked NBC, clearly the most Obamaphile of the stations. I timed it, with a stopwatch McCain/Palin - 11minutes, Obama in the round speech - 3 minutes, Hurricane Gustuv - 3 minutes, Katrina remembrances - 6 minutes...I would say, total scoreboard to McCain for driving the news cycle. Rove you magnificent bastard.

89 Drained Brain  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:18:15pm

re: #79 LEGION

Have Gun – Will Travel

Richard Boone as Paladin
Genre Western
Created by Sam Rolfe
Herb Meadow
Starring Richard Boone
Theme music composer Johnny Western
Richard Boone
Sam Rolfe (closing theme)
Opening theme composed by Bernard Herrmann
Ending theme "Ballad of Paladin"
Country of origin United States
Language(s) English
No. of seasons 6
No. of episodes 225


Brings back memories...

90 WrathofG-d  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:18:28pm

Let's abolish weekends as they are a violation of church & state.

91 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:18:58pm

re: #74 calcajun

"Dominionist"? Does that mean she's into leather?

You're thinking Dominatrix. Most Kos Kiddies are into that.

And maybe some of us here too?
:')

92 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:19:04pm

re: #14 Russkilitlover

Ain't it neat to see "progressive" "liberals" bash a woman/minority into the ground, step on them and grind away with their heels? What an altruistic party.

(What F*cking hyprocrites and reactionaries!)

Yes, only they get to decide what a progressive woman should be. You see a woman who has made it on her own is not as progressive as one who let her husband treat her like dirt and humiliate her and she quietly put up with it because he promised her a Senate seat.

If the Republicans ever attacked a woman the way Palin has been attacked today, the press would be having mass fits. But see, only liberal women are important. Sexist hypocrites.

/rant off

93 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:19:51pm

re: #64 Bobblehead

Blindsided I tell you, blindsided! Those idiots don't know what to do. Best just to laugh at their paranoid ravings.

They really weren't blindsided. There has been very strong advocacy of picking Palin for the VP spot here on LGF for several months now. So it really wasn't a surprise.

94 hillbilly geek  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:19:57pm

As Gustav is reminding us, there's a bit of a gap between claiming Dominion, and actually being able to exercise it.
From a technical/theological standpoint, it's also instructive to observe that the Lord gave dominion to an unfallen Adam and Eve, with their innocence intact.
The more extreme fringes of this philosophy do advocate "Christian sharia", if you will. The. more. extreme. fringes.

95 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:20:15pm

One of the newer smears is that, well, they only met once.

Oh, and did we mention her hubby and son aren't even registered Republicans? How perfectly damning!

/this is just from Politico's homepage, I'm not even searching yet!

96 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:20:19pm

From dogemperor's post (emphasis mine):

"...suffice it to say that another notable church he's had close connections with is the very church I am a walkaway from--hence how I know some of this up close and personal."

That wording rings alarm bells in my mind. I immediately want to know motive.

'Tis a generalization, but seriously disaffected church members are the last people to trust for a factual opinion.

97 Olderthandirt  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:20:35pm

OMG, she'd use legal authority to shut down web sites hostile to her opinions, she'd raise civilian groups to march and support her causes, she'd accuse everyone not supporting her of being sexist, she'd promise the moon, sun, and stars to all residents, legal or illegal, to gain their support. OMG, that's exactly what Obamamessiah is doing. OMG!

./wakey wakey time!

98 Pshawalaw  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:21:03pm

Kos Kids aside; I liked what I heard from her. Maybe it is just that I am a man, but she was impressive.

Nice speech too.

99 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:21:26pm

re: #81 mamashawna

I'm sitting here watching Rush's web cam broadcast from earlier today, and just LOVING THIS! Woo hoo!

I've watched the announcement twice. What a well spoken, attractive woman. Nice family too. When I read the news at the office today I almost started doing a little happy dance but restrained myself so as not to cause bad feelings with my Obama loving colleagues.

100 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:21:33pm

If it were possible to have Palin's credentials and have a (D) after her name, she'd be the Second Coming of Obama.

101 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:21:38pm
Palin's faked "pregnancy"? Covering for teen daughter?

This crap was on there earlier

102 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:21:57pm

re: #76 arizona9

To watch how fast and how far the left will attack her as a woman will be fascinating. Completely predictable but fascinating. Already, I heard an attack on her bashing her over how could she be a good mother while being VP. The hypocrisy wer're about to witness will be unlike anything we've ever seen. Unprecedented

They are barbarians. They believe in attacking the weak or those that they perceive to be weak. It's the SOP for Marxists.

103 ergo sum  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:22:23pm

Now the Koswads are claiming that Trig is a coverup for the teenage daughter and not Sarah's baby. Dear God, those people are deranged!

104 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:22:43pm

re: #91 DesertSage

Don't make me gag. I think we should exercise some restraint here and mask our feelings. No harsh language--just "safe" words.

105 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:22:44pm

re: #43 Mister Ghost

It's the Dominion from Star Trek: Deep Space 9. The Kos Kids believe Sarah Palin is a Changeling and may be trying infiltrate her way to the highest echelons of our government.

The only changeling on Earth is our agent, Zombie.

106 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:22:54pm

re: #32 Bobblehead

Via Hot Air..check this one out. I know it's been said many times and many ways but those people are sick, sick, sick.

I saw that earlier. It made my stomach turn. These people are awful. But the level of pure venom they are spewing makes me think they are very, very scared.

107 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:23:01pm

I smell desperation.

108 arizona9  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:23:04pm

re: #101 Typicalwhitey

This crap was on there earlier

Oh my god. They went lower faster than I could have ever imagined. And I love it. Means they are scared.

109 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:23:05pm

re: #102 The Other Les

They are barbarians. They believe in attacking the weak or those that they perceive to be weak. It's the SOP for Marxists.

And hyenas...

110 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:23:10pm

re: #89 Drained Brain

Brings back memories...

Geez, I loved Have Gun-Will Travel when I was a kid. Great actor that Richard Boone.

111 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:23:17pm

"I heard an attack on her bashing her over how could she be a good mother while being VP."

Of course, Dems are the very first ones to ship their own kids off to "day care" to have their children raised by perfect strangers.

112 LemonJoose  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:23:41pm

That thing reads exactly like prototypical tinfoil-hat troofer conspiracy theory. I'm surprised they didn't find a way to link her to secret human-sacrifice and cannibalism rituals, or something.

113 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:23:57pm

re: #101 Typicalwhitey

This crap was on there earlier

Missed that. Wow. The Onion might go out of business. No need for them with the moonbat left.

114 yochanan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:24:20pm

re: #78 Pshawalaw

And God blessed [ Adam and Eve ] and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." --Genesis 1:28

as a Jew I have no problem with this at all.

115 dwigg  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:24:25pm

Gov. Palin supposedly has a 80-90% approval rating in Alaska. Do the moon bats hate the cold that much, not to live there? Must be a conservative paradise.

116 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:24:47pm

Dominionists? Aren't those the aliens who live on the other side of the wormhole in Star Trek: Deep Space 9?

/sarc

Laters lizards I'm off to the D-Backs game.

117 SnakeSpit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:24:50pm

re: #67 Drained Brain

Them's my sentiments too!

If a rattlesnake was to fart, it'd blow dirt in their eyes.

118 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:24:58pm

re: #103 ergo sum

And this is also possibly libelous--even if she is a public figure. Kos is publishing materials he quite possibly has no valid reason to believe to be true. (Can't remember the Times v. Sullivan test for public personages)

119 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:25:15pm

re: #111 rawmuse

"I heard an attack on her bashing her over how could she be a good mother while being VP."

Of course, Dems are the very first ones to ship their own kids off to "day care" to have their children raised by perfect strangers.

And, how often have you ever seen a man bashed over how could he be a good Dad while being VP?

120 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:25:20pm

re: #111 rawmuse

"I heard an attack on her bashing her over how could she be a good mother while being VP."

Of course, Dems are the very first ones to ship their own kids off to "day care" to have their children raised by perfect strangers.

So, are Dems saying the only good mother is one who is barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen?

121 kuffar  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:25:24pm

re: #112 LemonJoose

She is a Christian Doesn't everyone know that Christians are into cannabalism and suicide bombing?

/Rosie Fat Broad O'Donnel

122 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:25:36pm

re: #107 FrogMarch

I smell desperation.

Oh, go change your pants.

123 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:25:42pm

The Dominionists wanted Eric Cantor btw, this from a dominionist site:

I would have liked to have seen our own Eric Cantor as the choice. I believed, and still believe that Eric Cantor would be an excellent VP and bring many conservatives on board (like myself) the McCain campaign. I still have a lot of issues with McCain.

124 mamashawna  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:26:03pm

re: #99 Bobblehead

I work at home, had a customer show up just as the announcement was starting, and made him come into the house and watch! Had another customer show up that I had to deal with, so missed the end of her speech. Oh well, can see it anytime on youtube, and just might do that later. Got a convenient link?

125 hooligan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:26:13pm

I'm still howling over "neopenecostal"!

Some of the best local amateur musicians in our area play at the charismatic churches. I love to visit them--when I play hooky from my pretty tame bible church. Most of these churches are multicultural, friendly and not at all scary.

What is scary is a Kos diary trying to analyze Joels Army, Third Wave, and Dominion teachings. What a hoot!

126 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:26:58pm

re: #32 Bobblehead

Via Hot Air..check this one out. I know it's been said many times and many ways but those people are sick, sick, sick.

Some Kos-Tard really and truly needs an introduction to a couple of Large Sicilian Gentlemen from New Jersey. Out in a swamp somewhere...

127 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:27:01pm

re: #111 rawmuse

"I heard an attack on her bashing her over how could she be a good mother while being VP."

How sexist! Isn't her husband going to spend more time with their children? Besides, she probably has more responsibilities as Governor than VP.

128 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:27:57pm

re: #125 hooligan

I'm still howling over "neopenecostal"!

Some of the best local amateur musicians in our area play at the charismatic churches. I love to visit them--when I play hooky from my pretty tame bible church. Most of these churches are multicultural, friendly and not at all scary.

What is scary is a Kos diary trying to analyze Joels Army, Third Wave, and Dominion teachings. What a hoot!

"neopenecostal"--by strict definition, would that be a Messianic Jew? /

Who comes up with these terms?

129 Pshawalaw  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:28:05pm

re: #114 yochanan

Agreed, no problem if she is a dominionist, sounds like it is our job. Just couldn't keep from pointing out that they are indicting her for the very thing Al Gore is claiming to do.

130 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:28:21pm

re: #90 WrathofG-d

Let's abolish weekends as they are a violation of church & state.

Don't give the Muslims any freakin' ideas! M'kay?

131 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:28:24pm

Evening guys! Probably what they are really upset about is McCain's inspired choice, and shifting into "Maverick" mode. I love McCain's refusal to approve ear-marks and his ability to stand on his two feet, and buck the system. I don't always agree with his views, but I applaud his choice for VP. McCain's choice for VP: Inspiring! Obama's choice: boring. This highlights the vast difference in thinking of the candidates. Obama claims he is for change, but is vague about the idea and then selects Biden who is not the sharpest knife on the block when it comes to intelligence or actually getting something done. Whilst Palin has a solid record of reform and conservative values as Mayor and Governor. Plus, she is female and fairly attractive! Great move by McCain! I am excited and all my lib friends at work think I am severely misguided!

132 daddyo  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:28:25pm

re: #17 Kitty

It sounds like she goes to an Assembly of God church. Contrary to popular believe they do not swing on the chandeliers.


What's wrong with swinging on the chandeliers ?

133 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:28:26pm
134 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:28:46pm

re: #128 calcajun

"neopenecostal"--by strict definition, would that be a Messianic Jew? /

Who comes up with these terms?

When you spend enough hours in Mom's basement, you probably start reading the dictionary, looking for cool words to show off to your Kos friends.

135 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:28:47pm
136 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:29:09pm

re: #92 livefreeor die

Yes, only they get to decide what a progressive woman should be. You see a woman who has made it on her own is not as progressive as one who let her husband treat her like dirt and humiliate her and she quietly put up with it because he promised her a Senate seat.

If the Republicans ever attacked a woman the way Palin has been attacked today, the press would be having mass fits. But see, only liberal women are important. Sexist hypocrites.

/rant off

WORD!

137 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:29:17pm

re: #132 daddyo

What's wrong with swinging on the chandeliers ?

Have to install chandeliers first...

138 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:29:26pm

re: #124 mamashawna

I work at home, had a customer show up just as the announcement was starting, and made him come into the house and watch! Had another customer show up that I had to deal with, so missed the end of her speech. Oh well, can see it anytime on youtube, and just might do that later. Got a convenient link?

Here you go

139 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:29:42pm

re: #96 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWHA!

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

(I don't doubt that Gov. Palin has a dog, but I'd bet she has a cat, too!)

140 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:29:46pm

If Obama's campaign or the DNC tries attacking Palin based upon gender or motherhood role, it will likely lead to even more PUMAs and their sympathizers voting for McCain.

/c'mon Democrats! Get stupid!

141 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:30:12pm

Does anyone remember James Gaius Watt?

bbl

142 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:30:14pm

re: #128 calcajun

"neopenecostal"--by strict definition, would that be a Messianic Jew? /

Who comes up with these terms?

I used to think it was some committee that met in the basement of some building in the Kremlin. But some of this stuff is too whacked out even for the Soviets.

143 Sol Roth  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:30:28pm

Didn't Seinfeld have an episode about "master of your dominion" as a euphemism for masturbation?

Kosmunists, masturbation, kosmunists, masturbation, kosmunists, masturbation. Yep, pretty much go gland-in-hand.

144 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:30:41pm

re: #139 goddessoftheclassroom

MWHA!

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

(I don't doubt that Gov. Palin has a dog, but I'd bet she has a cat, too!)

We know Gov. Palin has lost the PETA vote...
She's bagged a moose.

145 calvin coolidge  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:30:58pm

Kos is still angry that we were smart enough to buy Alaska from their motherland.

146 Atweber  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:31:20pm

I'm on my way to Sitka in the morning--it will be very interesting to see the local reaction to this whole rigamarole.

147 mamashawna  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:31:32pm

re: #138 Bobblehead

Thank you! My hubby was on site today, and missed it. Cant' wait to show him the whole thing! I AM SO STOKED! Where's the FNDT? I gots my beers lined up baby!

148 Geepers  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:31:37pm

pre-Boomer Marine brat (#140),

If Obama's campaign or the DNC tries attacking Palin based upon gender or motherhood role, it will likely lead to even more PUMAs and their sympathizers voting for McCain.

/c'mon Democrats! Get more stupid!

Fixed that for ya. ;-)

149 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:31:44pm

re: #144 jcm

We know Gov. Palin has lost the PETA vote...
She's bagged a moose.


Next stop, she can bag a Bidenus plugum.

150 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:32:14pm

re: #119 reine.de.tout

And, how often have you ever seen a man bashed over how could he be a good Dad while being VP?

Sista! (fist bump) Ain't it the truth!

151 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:32:21pm

re: #140 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Never, ever underestimate the stupidity of the left when they are in full howling madness. They are going to to collectively step on their cranks while wearing golf shoes. Mwahahaha!

152 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:32:23pm

re: #144 jcm

We know Gov. Palin has lost the PETA vote...
She's bagged a moose.

Maybe we should nickname her the "terminator" She has actually killed something. while the governor of California only dreams about it...

153 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:32:33pm

re: #143 Sol Roth

Didn't Seinfeld have an episode about "master of your dominion" as a euphemism for masturbation?

That was "Domain" Sol, Domain!

154 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:32:35pm

re: #134 livefreeor die

When you spend enough hours in Mom's basement, you probably start reading the dictionary, looking for cool words to show off to your Kos friends.

Here's one that they can sink their teeth into: PODOPHAGE.

As in why does their mouth taste really yucky right now?

155 hillbilly geek  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:32:40pm

“And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.” Isaiah 6:9, 10, KJV.

156 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:32:51pm

re: #29 Charles

Dominionism is real enough, but the evidence given in this Kos Kid's post that Palin follows that line is slim to nonexistent. I looked into some of it, and found several distortions, including the same 'creationist' distortion I posted about earlier.

Charles -

Would you agree that this is - "Horse Hockey" - Col. Sherman Potter, 1952?

-S-

157 JSK1121  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:32:57pm

re: #93 The Other Les

They really weren't blindsided. There has been very strong advocacy of picking Palin for the VP spot here on LGF for several months now. So it really wasn't a surprise.

And LGF has what effect on the Veepstakes?

158 hooligan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:33:01pm

re: #128 calcajun

"Messianic Jew" oh, stop it, I am dying here! LOL

159 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:33:08pm

re: #151 pingjockey

Never, ever underestimate the stupidity of the left when they are in full howling madness.

You were too verbose.

160 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:33:11pm

re: #149 livefreeor die

Next stop, she can bag a Bidenus plugum.

That's just not fair, easier than fish in barrel.

I can see the debate already, he goes into full froth, she smiles...

161 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:33:12pm

re: #144 jcm

We know Gov. Palin has lost the PETA vote...
She's bagged a moose.

I know her husband's a big fell, but I wouldn't go that far.

Oh, you mean with those antler thingys. Never mind.

Have you seen the Youtube video of her squeezing off a few rounds with her hair up and wearing earrings? June Cleaver she ain't.

162 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:33:46pm

re: #149 livefreeor die

Next stop, she can bag a Bidenus plugum plagarum.

fixed if for you

163 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:33:48pm

re: #159 Fat Jolly Penguin
Thank you. But I was on a roll!

164 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:33:57pm

re: #143 Sol Roth

Didn't Seinfeld have an episode about "master of your dominion" as a euphemism for masturbation?

Kosmunists, masturbation, kosmunists, masturbation, kosmunists, masturbation. Yep, pretty much go gland-in-hand.

Yes. But just try to catch them with the evidence in hand.

165 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:34:41pm

I STILL don't get it. These guys need to chill a bit and get out of the basement.

Oh wait, the sun might burn them.. /snark snark

166 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:34:44pm

re: #158 hooligan

I am SO glad someone got that. Thanks.

167 Shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:34:54pm

re: #6 rawmuse

Sometimes you can measure the effectiveness of a candidate by how loud the oppositions squawks.

except that kos kids are perpetual squawkers...like infants with diaper rash

168 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:35:01pm

re: #144 jcm

We know Gov. Palin has lost the PETA vote...
She's bagged a moose.

Mind you Moose bites can be nasti...

169 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:35:18pm

They are calling her a "token", saying she is covering for her daughter with the baby, calling her husband the "shadow governor", the only quotes kos uses are from msnbc, mocking her down syndrome son, and many diaries saying that their diehard republican brother/mother/father/sister etc have announced that they will not vote for Senator McCain now because of her.

LMAO

170 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:35:19pm

re: #157 JSK1121

And LGF has what effect on the Veepstakes?

I don't know, but Charles and LGF did a pretty good job in 2004 of outing the forged CBS 60 minutes document. LGF helped turn the tide, and that's historical fact.

171 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:35:24pm

re: #145 calvin coolidge

Kos is still angry that we were smart enough to buy Alaska from their motherland.

Damn that imperialist expansionist William Seward, damn him to hell. /

172 daddyo  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:35:34pm

Go Sarah !
[Link: img217.imageshack.us...]

173 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:35:43pm

re: #139 goddessoftheclassroom

MWHA!

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

(I don't doubt that Gov. Palin has a dog, but I'd bet she has a cat, too!)

OH! My SIDES are HURTING!
MWAH!

174 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:35:44pm

re: #168 The Other Les

Mind you Moose bites can be nasti...

Okay--Let's just jump straight to the llamas, shall we.

175 Sol Roth  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:35:59pm

re: #153 DesertSage

That was "Domain" Sol, Domain!

Oops.

176 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:36:33pm

re: #149 livefreeor die

Next stop, she can bag a Bidenus plugum plagarum blowhardus.

fixed improved(?) if for you

:-)

177 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:36:46pm

re: #139 goddessoftheclassroom

Pardon the tardiness of my reply, above. I was e-mailing the link to two friends!

178 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:37:02pm

OT: Uncle Ted (Ted Nugent) on Glen Beck. I heart "The NUGE"!

179 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:37:03pm

It will be interesting to see how much money McCain collected right after the announcement.

180 AuldTrafford  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:37:08pm

Oh - Assembly of God. Whew. When they said she was Dominionist, I thought maybe she was a secret Canuck or something.

181 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:37:21pm

re: #168 The Other Les

Mind you Moose bites can be nasti...

A moose bit my sister once...

182 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:37:29pm

re: #169 Typicalwhitey

They are calling her a "token", saying she is covering for her daughter with the baby, calling her husband the "shadow governor", the only quotes kos uses are from msnbc, mocking her down syndrome son, and many diaries saying that their diehard republican brother/mother/father/sister etc have announced that they will not vote for Senator McCain now because of her.

LMAO

Kos speak translation: Every woman would abort a child with Down's Syndrome, no woman could be an effective governor on her own, making fun of babies with disabilities is cool, republicans talk to us and we know that the sky did not just fall on us.

183 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:37:45pm

The nice thing about all the posting here on creationism is that the average lizard knows a great deal more about this subject than the average kostard, we are well prepared to counter false charges and distractions.

Now that the slates are set, we best be set for a fresh influx of mobies btw.

Also note that the Dominionists will be supporting this choice simply because she is conservative and Christian, it's a get on the bus or get left behind moment, they will be taking a seat. Let's not let that distract us.

184 JSK1121  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:38:07pm

re: #180 AuldTrafford

Oh - Assembly of God. Whew. When they said she was Dominionist, I thought maybe she was a secret Canuck or something.

Oh no! The Manchurian/Ottowan Candidate?!

185 shifty  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:38:24pm

Those guys are so bitter than neither candidate picked Markos to be the first female VP.

186 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:38:45pm

re: #180 AuldTrafford

Hey--her state is bordered by two hostile countries (don't trust Canadians-never have, never will). Don't tell me she doesn't know anything about foreign policy.

187 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:38:56pm

re: #71 Sharmuta

I think in this kosling's mind, all you have to do to be a Dominionist is go to church once a week.

Shit, that makes me one then. LOL!

/Wonder what holy water does to a Kos Kid?

188 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:39:00pm

re: #157 JSK1121

And LGF has what effect on the Veepstakes?

Good question.

We know the Kos-tards and Huff-puffers are monitoring.

Why shouldn't someone from the McCain camp be reading in too?

And its not like this is a secret society where we don't repeat what we say to folks on the outside. Word is going to get out.

189 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:39:00pm

According to her bio on Wiki (I can't get on her official bio page--heavy traffic, I guess), today is her 20th wedding anniversary.

Her kids' names are Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig. Based only on this, I would have guessed she was was leftie--just goes to show the danger of judging before being informed.

190 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:39:23pm

Wow... their heads are exploding already. I figured that would happen the day after the election when they rolled out of bed at noon to find out McCain won.

They aren't going to wait that long before losing it.

/Every day like Christmas, every meal a banquet, every formation a parade, God I love this country!

191 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:39:52pm

re: #181 CIA Reject

A moose bit my sister once...

No. Jump the to end--enough with the moose bites already. Bring on the llamas.

192 Geepers  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:40:13pm

Thanos (#183),

Now that the slates are set, we best be set for a fresh influx of mobies btw.

Possible sighting on the last thread: bitterhop.

193 AuldTrafford  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:40:20pm

re: #186 calcajun

Hey--her state is bordered by two hostile countries (don't trust Canadians-never have, never will). Don't tell me she doesn't know anything about foreign policy.

Exactly right: Canada and Santa Claus.

194 Outrider  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:40:31pm

Reading the collective rants of the Koslings is always amusing and enlightening. Equally amusing are their attempts to sound, oh so literate and grownup. And failing at both.

195 womball  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:40:34pm

Hahaha, right on time. Always reliable for entertainment the kossacks.

196 rightymouse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:40:36pm

The KosKiddies have their panties in a wad because Palin is a smart, successful woman, with real convictions and principles. Not some caricature in a pant-suit.

197 LeePro  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:40:53pm

re: #159 Fat Jolly Penguin

You were too verbose.

Damn. You're GOO_O_O_O_O_OOD! ! !

And you're such a young 'un! ! !

;D

198 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:41:15pm

re: #189 goddessoftheclassroom

According to her bio on Wiki (I can't get on her official bio page--heavy traffic, I guess), today is her 20th wedding anniversary.

Her kids' names are Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig. Based only on this, I would have guessed she was was leftie--just goes to show the danger of judging before being informed.

Her kids are all named for towns and villages in Alaska.

199 Outrider  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:41:32pm

re: #185 shifty

Those guys are so bitter than neither candidate picked Markos to be the first female VP.

Zing...Pow...that's gonna leave a mark.

200 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:41:35pm

re: #183 Thanos

The nice thing about all the posting here on creationism is that the average lizard knows a great deal more about this subject than the average kostard, we are well prepared to counter false charges and distractions.

Now that the slates are set, we best be set for a fresh influx of mobies btw.

Also note that the Dominionists will be supporting this choice simply because she is conservative and Christian, it's a get on the bus or get left behind moment, they will be taking a seat. Let's not let that distract us.

Wisdom.
Keep it coming.
Some of us (moi) aren't accustomed to the current debate.

201 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:41:43pm

re: #184 JSK1121

Oh no! The Manchurian/Ottowan Candidate?!

I think what Kos is so upset is that it is an inspired choice, compared to Obama's less than inspired choice. McCain is going into the convention swinging with a really good choice, and the Democrats are left in the backseat. Obama recieved no popularity "bump" coming out of the convention, McCain will!

202 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:42:11pm

BTW, if I didn't say it yet today, fuck you, Markos, you and your little Kossacks too.

203 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:42:31pm

re: #202 Honorary Yooper

BTW, if I didn't say it yet today, fuck you, Markos, you and your little Kossacks too.

Second.

204 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:42:43pm

re: #198 Thanos

Her kids are all named for towns and villages in Alaska.

Now that is cool. Thank you for explaining! Not that her name choices were any of my business...

205 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:42:47pm

re: #191 calcajun

No. Jump the to end--enough with the moose bites already. Bring on the llamas.

How many Ilamas?

206 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:43:44pm

re: #190 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Wow... their heads are exploding already.

I am imagining the KOS kids making that sound a dog makes when it is has been shot in the ass with a pellet gun...just don't know how to write that sound...someone help me out.

207 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:43:55pm

People will be swarming to campaign events just to see Sarah Palin.

Absolutely brilliant strategy by Rove McCain!

208 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:43:58pm

I tried to read that Kos post but it's just too damn convoluted for a Friday at closing time.

If they're trying to say that she belongs to a religion that has some beliefs that seem strange to outsiders, well big deal, every religion seems strange to outsiders.

If this is the best they got then they've got nothing.

209 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:43:59pm

re: #203 livefreeor die

Second.

Third.

210 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:44:06pm

re: #205 The Other Les

How many Ilamas?

Since you brought up llamas, someone should tell the Koz Kids to "save the drama for your llama"

: )

211 LeePro  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:44:10pm

re: #186 calcajun

Hey--her state is bordered by two hostile countries (don't trust Canadians-never have, never will). Don't tell me she doesn't know anything about foreign policy.

Watch it there, bud! Many of our loyal Lizards are canucks! ! !

212 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:44:13pm

re: #189 goddessoftheclassroom

According to her bio on Wiki (I can't get on her official bio page--heavy traffic, I guess), today is her 20th wedding anniversary.

Her kids' names are Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig. Based only on this, I would have guessed she was was leftie--just goes to show the danger of judging before being informed.

Watch out for Piper. I see big things for her, right around 2036 or 2040...

213 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:44:13pm

re: #201 loflyer

I think what Kos is so upset is that it is an inspired choice, compared to Obama's less than inspired choice. McCain is going into the convention swinging with a really good choice, and the Democrats are left in the backseat. Obama recieved no popularity "bump" coming out of the convention, McCain will!

I'm looking forward to a joyous Republican Convention.

214 Outrider  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:44:22pm

re: #187 Honorary Yooper

Shit, that makes me one then. LOL!

/Wonder what holy water does to a Kos Kid?

"Ohhh nooo, I'm melting..."

215 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:44:33pm

re: #201 loflyer

I think what Kos is so upset is that it is an inspired choice, compared to Obama's less than inspired choice. McCain is going into the convention swinging with a really good choice, and the Democrats are left in the backseat. Obama recieved no popularity "bump" coming out of the convention, McCain will!

McCain certainly ain't playing to lose, in every sense of the word! Today, I went from voting against a Ayers fellow-traveler to voting FOR an American ticket!
I am certain I am not alone.

216 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:44:33pm

re: #193 AuldTrafford

Exactly right: Canada and Santa Claus.

Uh, I was thinking a little more west than north--or more north and then sharply south. Try Russia

217 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:44:45pm

jcm, have we had a moose-pun-run yet today? I've had to be out of the room a good bit.

218 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:44:59pm

re: #206 Big Steve

I am imagining the KOS kids making that sound a dog makes when it is has been shot in the ass with a pellet gun...just don't know how to write that sound...someone help me out.

Yiii-yelp !

yit... yit... yit

(YMMV)

219 rightymouse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:45:04pm

This has probably been noted before, but I expect that McCain's poll bump will make Obama's look like a hiccup.

If Palin doesn't help energize our base, I'm not sure who could. Every Rep I've spoken to today is totally pumped.

220 GeeWiz  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:45:07pm

I've spent over 2.5 hours here doing nothing more than up-dnging the posters here. SP is McCain's pick and she has brought excitement to the right and done nothing more than raise the ire of the left. I am reminded of the quote, "when you are over the target, you recieve the most flak"!

Good on ya John!

GO SARAH!

221 callahan23  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:45:09pm

re: #202 Honorary Yooper

BTW, if I didn't say it yet today, fuck you, Markos, you and your little Kossacks too.

Affirmative!

222 Meatsss  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:45:24pm

What happened to applying no religious test to a candidate for national office?

223 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:45:26pm
neopentecostal dominionists

Should I google that term or did they just make it up?

224 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:45:52pm

Heh, been trying to establish dominion over my cat and he just gives me that go to hell glare.

225 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:46:04pm

re: #205 The Other Les

How many Ilamas?

to be precise:

EARL J. LLAMA
MIKE Q. LLAMA III
SY LLAMA
MERLE Z. LLAMA IX
40 SPECIALLY TRAINED
ECUADORIAN MOUNTAIN LLAMAS
6 VENEZUELAN RED LLAMAS
142 MEXICAN WHOOPING LLAMAS
14 NORTH CHILEAN GUANACOS
(CLOSELY RELATED TO THE LLAMA)
REG LLAMA OF BRIXTON
76000 BATTERY LLAMAS
FROM "LLAMA-FRESH" FARMS LTD. NEAR PARAGUAY

226 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:46:14pm

re: #220 GeeWiz

I've spent over 2.5 hours here doing nothing more than up-dnging the posters here. SP is McCain's pick and she has brought excitement to the right and done nothing more than raise the ire of the left. I am reminded of the quote, "when you are over the target, you recieve the most flak"!

Good on ya John!

GO SARAH!

And you drop the bombs. Mission accomplished.

227 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:46:37pm

re: #187 Honorary Yooper

Wonder what holy water does to a Kos Kid?

It has about the same effect as a strong, intelligent conservative woman has.

228 AuldTrafford  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:46:54pm

re: #216 calcajun

Uh, I was thinking a little more west than north--or more north and then sharply south. Try Russia

Oh, that one. Aren't they on our side? Part of NATO, I thought. Anybody that will go to war with Georgia is OK with me; hate Atlanta, especially at rush hour.

229 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:46:57pm

re: #224 vagabond trader

Heh, been trying to establish dominion over my cat and he just gives me that go to hell glare.

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

230 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:46:59pm

re: #222 Meatsss

What happened to applying no religious test to a candidate for national office?

What, you mean the one that if they weigh the same as a duck...

231 Shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:47:00pm

Joe Biden adds nothing. He is a nothing candidate. His vote totals in the democrat primary were so low , using the margin of error he actually had less than zero % of the vote totals.

Palin appeals to real americans. Lots of working mothers out there, and they do vote.
They will not vote for Biden and Hussein Obama.

232 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:47:23pm

Somewhere, the Obameister and his staff are huddled together wetting their pants.

233 arizona9  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:47:34pm

Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

CNN's John Roberts-

234 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:47:35pm

You are welcome Goddess, I'm just happy she didn't name them after some of the more obscure villages up there like some do. What kid wants to be named Anatuvak or Hoonah?

235 Geepers  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:47:42pm

Taqyia2Me (#215),

McCain certainly ain't playing to lose, in every sense of the word! Today, I went from voting against a Ayers fellow-traveler to voting FOR an American ticket!
I am certain I am not alone.

And you are right.

236 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:47:52pm

re: #225 calcajun

You are dallying with the llama.
Go Tibet without your supper!

/no offense intended

237 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:47:55pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Should I google that term or did they just make it up?

Sticking in in yahoo and the first hit I got was something on Dubya.

238 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:48:02pm

re: #232 livefreeor die

Somewhere, the Obameister and his staff are huddled together wetting their pants.

Big huge fuck-up on their part not putting Hillary! on the ticket.

239 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:48:26pm

re: #233 arizona9

Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

CNN's John Roberts-

Ladies, we still have a long way to go.

240 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:48:28pm

re: #222 Meatsss

The Obama opened the "religion" issue with that hideous church he dragged his family to.

241 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:48:30pm

The real problem most Kos Kids have with Palin is that she believes in a Living God and living babies. The opposite view of most Kos Kids. Worship of God instead of man,raising of babies instead of killing them through abortion. Yep,I see why the Kos Kids are upset.

242 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:48:31pm

re: #227 Sharmuta

It has about the same effect as a strong, intelligent conservative woman has.

LOL!

243 womball  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:48:32pm

re: #227 Sharmuta

It has about the same effect as a strong, intelligent conservative woman has.

Where are the JEwish ones? Most I know are very liberal.

244 Shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:48:48pm

re: #233 arizona9

Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

CNN's John Roberts-


Unbelieveable.

245 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:48:53pm

re: #231 Shug

Joe Biden adds nothing. He is a nothing candidate. His vote totals in the democrat primary were so low , using the margin of error he actually had less than zero % of the vote totals.

Palin appeals to real americans. Lots of working mothers out there, and they do vote.
They will not vote for Biden and Hussein Obama.

Actually he pulls in the cash from the Credit card lobbies and insurance outfits.

246 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:48:55pm

re: #238 Taqyia2Me

Big huge fuck-up on their part not putting Hillary! on the ticket.

Well, they'll pay dearly for it. Hell, with an Obama loss, expect a major purge within their ranks.

247 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:48:58pm

re: #229 goddessoftheclassroom

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

248 nikis-knight  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:49:09pm

re: #233 arizona9

Stupid on so many levels. Perhaps the child's father can tend to him? I think they can get by on just her salary as VP... Anyway, I'm sure Vice pres requires not so much more time than governor.

249 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:49:09pm

re: #233 arizona9

Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

CNN's John Roberts-

Desperation. It's a terrible thing!

250 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:49:12pm

re: #227 Sharmuta

It has about the same effect as a strong, intelligent conservative woman has.

You know, that's how some of the Kos Kids want Mistress Spanksalot to act when they go in for a session. They like it, but won't admit it.

;)

251 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:49:22pm

Well the KOS kids are speculating that she had her daughter's baby and the hardcore feminists are saying that she really isn't a woman...for crying out loud, what is she packing down there?

252 Outrider  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:49:37pm

re: #233 arizona9

Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

CNN's John Roberts-

As working Mothers heads explode all over the world over the sheer stupidity of such a remark.

Hey Roberts, how about all them working Mothers on CNN staff. They shooting daggers your way yet?

253 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:49:39pm

WTF is Joel's Army? Is any of this stuff real or ar they just making stuff up?

254 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:49:48pm

Would it be too catty of me to point out that like the Obamas, Gov. Palin got through college on her looks?

255 Perry  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:49:57pm

If McCain / Palin win in '08, what would that do for Hillary's chances in '12?

256 Geepers  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:49:57pm

livefreeor die (#232),

Somewhere, the Obameister and his staff are huddled together wetting their pants.

True.

257 jwb7605  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:50:06pm

re: #218 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yiii-yelp !

yit... yit... yit

(YMMV)


That's a KOS dog.
Mine does the "Yiii-yelp", then follows is up with a
snrrr ... snrrr ... garhagh garhagh SNAP.

Recommended: be backed up five feet before the SNAP.

120 lbs ... see avatar.

258 arizona9  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:50:09pm

re: #238 Taqyia2Me

Big huge fuck-up on their part not putting Hillary! on the ticket.

And somewhere Hillary is cackling with glee!

259 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:50:10pm

re: #233 arizona9

Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

CNN's John Roberts-

ah...its called a husband.

260 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:50:20pm

re: #232 livefreeor die

Somewhere, the Obameister and his staff are huddled together wetting their pants.

I thought they were in Epcot--not San Francisco.

261 GeeWiz  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:50:29pm

re: #139 goddessoftheclassroom

PRICELESS!

262 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:50:32pm

re: #237 Sharmuta

I googled Joel's Army and got some hits but I still have no idea what it is.

263 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:50:35pm

re: #213 Bobblehead

I'm looking forward to a joyous Republican Convention.

As long as Gustav doesn't slam into New Orleans. Because if it does, you guys aren't gonna have much of a convention.

At least we can safely say there won't be one death in Louisiana this time around eh? ;)

264 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:50:41pm

re: #251 Big Steve

Well the KOS kids are speculating that she had her daughter's baby and the hardcore feminists are saying that she really isn't a woman...for crying out loud, what is she packing down there?

More stones than they ever knew existed!

265 iceman1960  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:50:44pm

The people on the left are losing it over Palin. I'm scanning the channels and the folks at MSNBC are falling apart. Chrissy Mathews is starting to slobber and stutter like he's getting some sort of nervous tick.

266 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:50:57pm

They've already slammed her stint as the mayor of a small town, now her religious beliefs, what about the guns, or did I miss that?


You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustration

~The One~NObama

267 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:51:02pm

re: #254 goddessoftheclassroom

Would it be too catty of me to point out that like the Obamas, Gov. Palin got through college on her looks?

yes...but if you have pictures of her in college I would be glad to evaluate.

268 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:51:03pm

re: #251 Big Steve

Fear of the vagina, it's a terrible affliction, no effective treatment.

269 conservativeChick  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:51:10pm

Ahh. Their so cute when they are paranoid. They make Stan so proud!

/and God shakes his head in shame

270 nikis-knight  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:51:39pm

re: #246 Honorary Yooper

Well, they'll pay dearly for it. Hell, with an Obama loss, expect a major purge within their ranks.

Or maybe a schism... Or just a huge defecation (or is that defection? Nah.) of the Kos nutroot types to the Greenies...

271 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:51:42pm

re: #255 Perry

If McCain / Palin win in '08, what would that do for Hillary's chances in '12?

It doesn't matter, she'll be in prison for trying to kill Obama.

272 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:51:49pm

re: #268 vagabond trader

Fear of the vagina, it's a terrible affliction, no effective treatment.

What do you call "marriage"?

273 iceman1960  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:04pm

You can tell Palin was a good pick just by the reaction of the left.

274 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:05pm

re: #239 livefreeor die

Ladies, we still have a long way to go.

And thanks John for putting down all women who work and tend to disabled children. Very progressive of you. A**hole

275 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:13pm

re: #257 jwb7605

120 pounds of dog ... or hair?

276 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:14pm

re: #213 Bobblehead

I'm looking forward to a joyous Republican Convention.

I am going to handle it the same as the Democrat convention hanging out here, and talking the convention with everyone. I have really enjoyed the last week on LGF! I salute Charles and Zombie on their coverage of the convention. It was really great, guys!

277 Sol Roth  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:14pm

re: #233 arizona9

Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

CNN's John Roberts-

They paint this picture because default-Marxists can't conceive of an extended, nuclear family helping her. Marxism must destroy the nuclear family in order to shift allegiance to the State.

278 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:31pm

re: #191 calcajun

No. Jump the to end--enough with the moose bites already. Bring on the llamas.

And RALPH THE WONDER LLAMA!

279 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:45pm

re: #271 DesertSage

It doesn't matter, she'll be in prison for trying to kill Obama.

I thought she was taking a walk in Fort Marcy park with Joe Biden next week. Obama's campaign manager just set it up.

280 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:47pm

re: #265 iceman1960

The people on the left are losing it over Palin. I'm scanning the channels and the folks at MSNBC are falling apart. Chrissy Mathews is starting to slobber and stutter like he's getting some sort of nervous tick.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!
Cry Chrissy Cry! Go ahead and cry you little crybaby! Cry!

281 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:51pm

re: #255 Perry

If McCain / Palin win in '08, what would that do for Hillary's chances in '12?

Well, if she goes up against an incument McCain, it's and uphill battle. If she goes up against Palin, Hillary'll get her ass handed to her.

No matter what, the Obamessiah is up shit crick without a paddle.

282 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:55pm

re: #268 vagabond trader

Fear of the vagina, it's a terrible affliction, no effective treatment.

each man for himself I guess...

283 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:57pm

re: #271 DesertSage

It doesn't matter, she'll be in prison for trying to kill Obama.

She'll be in the Happy Home with trees and flowers and chirping birds...

284 arizona9  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:53:04pm

re: #252 Outrider

As working Mothers heads explode all over the world over the sheer stupidity of such a remark.

Hey Roberts, how about all them working Mothers on CNN staff. They shooting daggers your way yet?

Seriously, this Roberts comment should be made quickly into a campaign ad. It is so revolting on so many levels and highlights the scumbag press and the hypocrisy of many on the left so completely. It will really piss off the die hard Hillary PUMAs, perhaps to a level that will negate their reservations about Palins prolife stance.

285 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:53:29pm

More Kos brilliance: No, Senator McCain, I Am Not An Idiot


You think I'm stupid.

You think I'm going to fall for it.

You think that because I loved Hillary Clinton, gave money to Hillary Clinton, stood in the freezing rain for two hours to see her speak, put a sticker on my car, wore my pin around town, and supported Hillary Clinton to the very end, that I will vote for you.

You think I will forget every single one of my personal and political values just because there's a vagina on your pro-war, anti-woman, anti-science ticket.

You, Senator McCain, are wrong.

I'd love to see a woman in the White House. I would have loved to see a woman on Obama's ticket.

But not this woman.

Not a woman who thinks decisions about my body should be made by hateful old men in Washington.

Not a woman who thinks science is a myth.

Not a woman who thinks the Republican party has anything to offer besides more war, higher taxes, oil dependency, and hate.

I am not falling for it, Senator McCain.

Because what you do not understand is that my support for Hillary was not about anatomy. It was about values. Hillary Clinton articulated and represented my dreams.

You do not. Not even with a vagina on your pathetic ticket.

This changes nothing.

No way. No how. No McCain.

286 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:53:33pm

re: #267 Big Steve

yes...but if you have pictures of her in college I would be glad to evaluate.

Here you go--she came in second in the Miss Alaska pageant, in which she competed for the scholarship:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

287 callahan23  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:53:43pm

re: 258 arizona9

And somewhere Hillary is cackling with glee!

LOL

288 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:53:44pm

re: #215 Taqyia2Me

McCain certainly ain't playing to lose, in every sense of the word! Today, I went from voting against a Ayers fellow-traveler to voting FOR an American ticket!
I am certain I am not alone.

I feel the same! Right on!
/As we used to say in the early 70's

289 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:54:00pm

Part of a diary over there:

He said he was actually scared what someone like her could do being so sooo in experienced. It really struck me. I hadn't really had time to think about it but he was so immediately turned off by this pick that he told me that he would not vote for McCain, and later that day, he signed up for the first time in his life to volunteer for the Obama Campaign. So in closing, I would like to thank the McCain campaign for picking such a horrible candidate that it actually convinced my father to do something to stop you and Palin from destroying my country. To wrap up this diary, I will leave you with, possibly the best part of my dads rant. When he found out where she was from he yelled "Alaska! Thats hardly even America!"

Dumbass dad raised a dumbass kid lol

290 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:54:08pm

re: #282 Big Steve

each man for himself I guess...

Eww. Well, at least we don't have penis envy. Well, not anymore...for a while.

291 iceman1960  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:54:20pm

re: #285 Ringo the Gringo

These people are falling over the edge

292 jwb7605  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:54:51pm

re: #275 pre-Boomer Marine brat

120 pounds of dog ... or hair?

depends on the month ;-)
(She !) looks more like 135 in the winter.

293 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:54:52pm

re: #284 arizona9

Seriously, this Roberts comment should be made quickly into a campaign ad. It is so revolting on so many levels and highlights the scumbag press and the hypocrisy of many on the left so completely. It will really piss off the die hard Hillary PUMAs, perhaps to a level that will negate their reservations about Palins prolife stance.

I agree. Today has shown just how sexist the liberal left is. Just let those clips of Roberts and his ilk do the talking and demand that Obama come out against them.

294 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:54:52pm

re: #257 jwb7605

That's a KOS dog.
Mine does the "Yiii-yelp", then follows is up with a
snrrr ... snrrr ... garhagh garhagh SNAP.

Recommended: be backed up five feet before the SNAP.

120 lbs ... see avatar.

I've got a new border collie... cross her and you'll wake up one morning hogtied to the beg, naked, covered in whip cream and your car keys flushed down the toilet.

And the dog using the computer to place credit card orders and calling 911 so the helpful fire department can send some of their finest over to crack up laughing at your situation.

295 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:55:38pm

re: #258 arizona9

And somewhere Hillary is cackling with glee!

I don't think so. I think she's going---"IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME!" I cannot imagine she is remotely happy about this.

296 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:55:46pm

Speaking of "dogs", it appears that the Obama family may be acquiring a poodle.

297 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:55:59pm

re: #286 goddessoftheclassroom

Here you go--she came in second in the Miss Alaska pageant, in which she competed for the scholarship:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

my new screensaver...I'd offer you a toke in gratitude but I know you wouldn't take it ;)

298 Geepers  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:56:03pm
Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

CNN's John Roberts-

Hey pre-Boomer Marine brat, you ask for it:

/c'mon Democrats! Get stupid!

You got it.

299 armywife  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:56:04pm

re: #222 Meatsss

That was then, you know when they thought that had this thing in the bag. Its all changed now.

300 nikis-knight  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:56:32pm

re: #296 vagabond trader

Speaking of "dogs", it appears that the Obama family may be acquiring a poodle.

Surely that isn't to ingratiate them to common Americans? Gah, I can't stand fru-fru dogs.

301 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:56:40pm

re: #285 Ringo the Gringo

More Kos brilliance: No, Senator McCain, I Am Not An Idiot

You think I'm stupid.
You think I'm going to fall for it.

You think that because I loved Hillary Clinton, gave money to Hillary Clinton, stood in the freezing rain for two hours to see her speak, put a sticker on my car, wore my pin around town, and supported Hillary Clinton to the very end, that I will vote for you.

You think I will forget every single one of my personal and political values just because there's a vagina on your pro-war, anti-woman, anti-science ticket.

You, Senator McCain, are wrong.

I'd love to see a woman in the White House. I would have loved to see a woman on Obama's ticket.

But not this woman.

Not a woman who thinks decisions about my body should be made by hateful old men in Washington.

Not a woman who thinks science is a myth.

Not a woman who thinks the Republican party has anything to offer besides more war, higher taxes, oil dependency, and hate.

I am not falling for it, Senator McCain.

Because what you do not understand is that my support for Hillary was not about anatomy. It was about values. Hillary Clinton articulated and represented my dreams.

You do not. Not even with a vagina on your pathetic ticket.

This changes nothing.

No way. No how. No McCain.

No, the Kooky Kos Kid is an idiot. This is less about Hillary than it is about the Republican base. Any Hillary defections from the Dems though are gravy, and always welcome. For them, it's a return to sanity from the insanity of the Kossacks and the Obamessiah.

302 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:56:44pm

re: #286 goddessoftheclassroom

Here you go--she came in second in the Miss Alaska pageant, in which she competed for the scholarship:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

A WHOLE lot better looking than some stupid cat.

*running like hell*

303 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:56:47pm

re: #296 vagabond trader

Speaking of "dogs", it appears that the Obama family may be acquiring a poodle.

With hair plugs?

304 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:56:49pm

re: #283 The Other Les

She'll be in the Happy Home with trees and flowers and chirping birds...

...and basket weavers who sit and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're coming to take her away! Ha! Ha!

305 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:56:51pm

They're picking on her baby?

You stay classy Daily Kos.

306 Shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:56:55pm

re: #284 arizona9

and then play the al gore Extra chromosome Crowd comments
Back in 1994, Al Gore called Oliver North "the colonel of untruth" and said Mr. North was counting on political contributions from "the extra-chromosome right wing."
(Sources: White House Special Briefing, 10/28/94; Washington Times, September 4, 1997)

307 iceman1960  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:57:12pm

re: #299 armywife

That was then, you know when they thought that had this thing in the bag. Its all changed now.

They were hoping for change

308 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:57:23pm

re: #296 vagabond trader

Speaking of "dogs", it appears that the Obama family may be acquiring a poodle.

I thought the did, called it "Plugs."

309 Gearhead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:57:40pm

Does that mean she's from Virginia, or that she owns a lot of leather?

(I'll take it as a good sign that thay have to reach for word like that to criticize her.)

310 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:57:44pm

re: #292 jwb7605

depends on the month ;-)
(She !) looks more like 135 in the winter.

I can imagine!

311 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:57:50pm

re: #296 vagabond trader

Speaking of "dogs", it appears that the Obama family may be acquiring a poodle.

Them's good eatin'.

A poodle? Cripes. Talk about a fru-fru dog. Shit- get Lab or a Retriever--a real dog.

312 rightymouse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:57:51pm

re: #285 Ringo the Gringo

Angry Mouse could be my deranged moonbat sister. Sure sounds like her.

313 jwb7605  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:58:02pm

re: #303 DesertSage

With hair plugs?

DING.

314 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:58:14pm

re: #295 calcajun

I don't think so. I think she's going---"IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME!" I cannot imagine she is remotely happy about this.

Now sign in hotels: IN CASE OF KEITH MOON HILLARY CLINTON BREAK GLASS.

315 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:58:17pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

I googled Joel's Army and got some hits but I still have no idea what it is.

Reconstructionism, Kostards believe Hagee's church has been taken over. It started with a pamphlet back in 1991 by jewel someone, basically it's dominionism with a new name.

316 AuldTrafford  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:58:30pm
Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

CNN's John Roberts.

Like many Lefties - they should read the Constitution. If they did, they would know what the Vice-President does: ...

317 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:58:38pm

re: #302 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A WHOLE lot better looking than some stupid cat.

*running like hell*

There is no such thing as a "stupid" cat. On the other hand, to call a canine a "stupid" dog is redundant...

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

318 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:58:53pm

re: #293 livefreeor die

One can only imagine the vile racist comments being spewed by Obama and Hillary fans.Hypocrisy is a virtue in Demoncrat circles.

319 callahan23  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:59:15pm

re: #296 vagabond trader

Speaking of "dogs", it appears that the Obama family may be acquiring a poodle.

Isn't poodle a French breed? What a very bad idea.

320 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:59:48pm

re: #285 Ringo the Gringo

Ahh, a 1%er. LOL

321 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:00:21pm

re: #319 callahan23

re: #296 vagabond trader

Isn't poodle a French breed? What a very bad idea.

Sounds right for that candidate and his "foreign policy" views.
Poodles are also very iffy with kids. Some are great, some are downright nasty.

322 Gearhead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:00:48pm

re: #296 vagabond trader

Speaking of "dogs", it appears that the Obama family may be acquiring a poodle.

I figured Kerry was a shoo-in for his cabinet. Surprised they announced it so early.

323 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:01:05pm

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

There is no such thing as a "stupid" cat. On the other hand, to call a canine a "stupid" dog is redundant...

I have a stupid cat. He cries when you turn on a ceiling fan. I have had smart cats before but this one is pretty dumb. However he is great looking so he is Paris Hiltoning his way through life.

324 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:01:12pm

re: #321 livefreeor die

Sounds right for that candidate and his "foreign policy" views.
Poodles are also very iffy with kids. Some are great, some are downright nasty.

Most poddles and other small dogs (like Pomeranians) I've had the misfortune to encounter tend to be mean. Compensation for their size?

325 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:01:17pm

re: #115 dwigg

Alaska does not have an abundance of moonbats. To that, I can attest.
It does have some.

326 GeeWiz  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:01:25pm

re: #226 really grumpy big dog Johnson

And he did! Sarah Palin is the "BOMB" the left cannot defend against without de-fusing their attack machine. Kinda sucks to be an "O" supporter right now. LOL.

327 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:01:42pm

re: #316 AuldTrafford

CNN's John Roberts.

Like many Lefties - they should read the Constitution. If they did, they would know what the Vice-President does: ...

As usual, no thought about a man in such a position. Shows the brain development has not quite caught up with reality.

328 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:01:55pm

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

There is no such thing as a "stupid" cat. On the other hand, to call a canine a "stupid" dog is redundant...

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

oh yeah?

329 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:01:57pm

re: #321 livefreeor die

Supposedly the fur is safe for one of his allergy prone daughters. Personally I think the guy hates animals and this is a pathetic attempt to appear ,gulp, like a typical family.

330 LeePro  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:02:08pm

re: #259 Big Steve

ah...its called a husband.

...and other older children. It's called F A M I L Y ! ! !

331 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:02:10pm
In July 2007, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) traveled to a U.S. military base in Kuwait to visit Alaska National Guard soldiers who provide logistical support for our operations in Iraq. On her return trip, she stopped to visit wounded troops at Landsduhl Regional Medical Center in Germany.


Military pictures too

332 hazzyday  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:02:12pm

re: #233 arizona9

Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

CNN's John Roberts-

Some people... Someone should kick him in the ass.

333 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:02:12pm

re: #323 Big Steve

I have a stupid cat. He cries when you turn on a ceiling fan. I have had smart cats before but this one is pretty dumb. However he is great looking so he is Paris Hiltoning his way through life.

ROTFL! I really am!

334 Metal Man  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:02:14pm

re: #316 AuldTrafford

CNN's John Roberts.

Like many Lefties - they should read the Constitution. If they did, they would know what the Vice-President does: ...

The other part is she has a large family and a husband. Do the lefties not see how bad they look when the put this out in the context of a June Cleaver time set.

335 armywife  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:02:20pm

re: #319 callahan23

re: #296 vagabond trader


Isn't poodle a French breed? What a very bad idea.

There are also German Poodles. If that helps.

336 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:02:26pm

re: #324 Honorary Yooper

Most poddles and other small dogs (like Pomeranians) I've had the misfortune to encounter tend to be mean. Compensation for their size?

Kind of like that cabinet member of Clinton's-Robert Reich or something.

337 callahan23  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:03:04pm

re: #321 livefreeor die

Wasn't that closeness to la French culture John Kerry's undoing?

338 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:03:07pm

re: #303 DesertSage

With hair plugs?

Oh that's a good one!

339 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:03:53pm

re: #301 Honorary Yooper

No, the Kooky Kos Kid is an idiot. This is less about Hillary than it is about the Republican base. Any Hillary defections from the Dems though are gravy, and always welcome. For them, it's a return to sanity from the insanity of the Kossacks and the Obamessiah.

Heyas Yoop!

That post captured it in a nutshell. I don't know what you guys have been reading, but this woman is NOT a choice that any Democrat would be happy with. Whatever she is or is not, she is a staunch religious conservative and that is not going to win over any Hillary supporters and quite frankly, any of the fence sitters.

As if there were any Dems to win over. The Dem convention brought them all home. Well any that would make a voting difference anyway.

You are right that it isn't about Hillary. When it comes down to it, and the PUMAs lick their wounds, they will vote Democrat because that is what they are after all.

You guys have some serious problems come Nov. It'll be an Obama landslide.

340 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:04:01pm

re: #328 pre-Boomer Marine brat

oh yeah?

Simultaneously...

341 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:04:08pm

re: #316 AuldTrafford

CNN's John Roberts.

Like many Lefties - they should read the Constitution. If they did, they would know what the Vice-President does: ...

Like they really fracken' care about the child. The MSM is desperate, McCain pulled an inspired choice and the Democratic convention looks like it was Hollywood scripted while the Republicans look on the move. They are really scared. Expect lots of lies, mistakes and opportunities for LGF and the Pajama media to kick some factual ass in this campaign. I am energized about McCain's choice!

342 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:04:24pm

Wasn't Tony Blair referred to as Bushitler's poodle? lmao!

343 hillbilly geek  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:04:27pm
neo pentecostal dominionist
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top kick on google

344 Red Cloud  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:04:41pm

re: #285 Ringo the Gringo

Wow. That is singuarly pathetic. I love all of these psychos claiming to speak for an entire group of people, be they women in general or Hillary supporters specifically.

345 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:04:48pm
"neopentecostal dominionists"
"ninja dominionist"

Huh?

346 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:04:49pm

re: #311 calcajun

Them's good eatin'.

A poodle? Cripes. Talk about a fru-fru dog. Shit- get Lab or a Retriever--a real dog.

Actually, if it is a standard poodle, it's probably smarter than a lab or retriever. Standard poodles were bred as water rescue dogs, if I remember correctly, and are very intelligent.

Now, if it's a toy poodle - yeah, foo foo dog.

347 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:05:22pm

re: #333 goddessoftheclassroom

ROTFL! I really am!

I had a cat like that, too. So beautiful, so lazy. He looked like the Fancy Feast cat--his name was Posh, we we loved him. When he died (age 17) even considered having him (joking, people) stuffed with lentils by a taxidermist. That way we wouldn't miss him. We'd just toss him onto the back of the sofa and we wouldn't know that he had changed a bit!

348 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:05:51pm

re: #346 Semper Gumbi

True, the big ones are very clever and loyal, unlike your avg Demo.

349 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:05:59pm

re: #294 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I've got a new border collie... cross her and you'll wake up one morning hogtied to the beg, naked, covered in whip cream and your car keys flushed down the toilet.

And the dog using the computer to place credit card orders and calling 911 so the helpful fire department can send some of their finest over to crack up laughing at your situation.

I've got an Aussie here

350 LeePro  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:06:05pm

re: #283 The Other Les

She'll be in the Happy Home with trees and flowers and chirping birds...

Heh!

351 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:06:06pm

Troll alert.

352 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:06:15pm

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

There is no such thing as a "stupid" cat. On the other hand, to call a canine a "stupid" dog is redundant...

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

OK, as owner of the smartest dog on the planet, I have to take exception to that. We left my my big old Akita alone in the house some years back. He had--poor guy--a bout of the runs and rather than break his house training, tried to get outside through the kitchen and living room windows--all of which were locked. He went upstairs and knocked out a screen in my daughter's room, went out on the roof and did his business. Unfortunately for him, he disturbed a wasp nest when he punched out the screen, so he was stranded on the roof until we came home. The neighbors thought I was nutty already, but to have 100 lbs of Akita perched on the roof, looking down on the passer-bys like a demented mountain goat cemented that opinion for good.

The old boy is 13 and can still open the back gate and take himself for walks. If he had opposable thumbs, he cold probably drive the car.

353 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:06:17pm

re: #347 katemaclaren

I had a cat like that, too. So beautiful, so lazy. He looked like the Fancy Feast cat--his name was Posh, we we loved him. When he died (age 17) even considered having him (joking, people) stuffed with lentils by a taxidermist. That way we wouldn't miss him. We'd just toss him onto the back of the sofa and we wouldn't know that he had changed a bit!

I am so giggling...

354 armywife  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:06:18pm

re: #336 livefreeor die

Enough picking on little dogs! I have two of the greatest Chihuahua's EVER. They are not yippy, they are not mean, the love everyone and think everyone loves them. They were raised by my German Shepherd and are a bit confused about what they are, maybe that is the difference.

Back to the topic - I bet Michelle is LIVID Ms. Palin stole Barry O's thunder!

355 Perry  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:06:19pm

re: #340 goddessoftheclassroom

Have to take both cats in the morning. The little one is fiesty and hard to get into her box. The big one-- we've decided we'll have to butter her to squish her into her box.

356 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:06:35pm

re: #331 Typicalwhitey

On her return trip, she stopped to visit wounded troops at Landsduhl Regional Medical Center in Germany.

Military pictures too

Obama has too much character to stoop to a PR stunt like THAT.

/s

357 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:06:54pm

re: #339 marjoriemoon

I do not agree. It is, after all, Republicans who can be counted on to reliably vote when it looks like the other side is going to rush the polls.

358 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:07:08pm

re: #295 calcajun

I don't think so. I think she's going---"IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME!" I cannot imagine she is remotely happy about this.

I'm certain Hillary is PISSED! Her entire strategy has been built around the assumption that McCain will be a 1 term president and she will get to run against some "typical white guy" like Romney or Pawlenty in 2012 and win that election the same way she beat another TWG, Rick Lazio< in 2000.

Now the environment has changed SIGNIFICANTLY

359 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:07:37pm

re: #352 calcajun

{calcajun}
I'm just pulling pre-Boomer Marine brat's tail!

360 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:07:41pm

re: #351 livefreeor die

Troll alert.

Huh? Where?

361 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:07:42pm

re: #351 livefreeor die

Troll alert.

Marge has been looking for some attention for some time. Caught his/her act a couple threads back.

362 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:07:44pm

re: #296 vagabond trader

Speaking of "dogs", it appears that the Obama family may be acquiring a poodle.

What kind of sauce?

363 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:07:48pm

re: #351 livefreeor die

Troll alert.

Yeppper. I second that.

364 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:07:49pm

re: #354 armywife

Enough picking on little dogs! I have two of the greatest Chihuahua's EVER. They are not yippy, they are not mean, the love everyone and think everyone loves them. They were raised by my German Shepherd and are a bit confused about what they are, maybe that is the difference.

Back to the topic - I bet Michelle is LIVID Ms. Palin stole Barry O's thunder!

I have a Shih Tzu-I'm not picking on little dogs. I'm relating what we were told by poodle breeders when we were looking for a small dog.

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:07:50pm

re: #340 goddessoftheclassroom

Simultaneously...

LOL!

366 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:07:56pm

re: #333 goddessoftheclassroom

BTW...been meaning to ask you being a teacher and all, have you ever heard of "subject-independent teaching skills". They were presenting something on this at the School Board meeting last week, in the area of elementary math classes. I acted all sage being a board member but didn't have a clue what it meant.

367 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:08:00pm

re: #351 livefreeor die

Troll alert.

I second that motion.

368 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:08:03pm

re: #335 armywife

There are also German Poodles. If that helps.

Yeah but they rip the shit out of the French Poodles every few years and start bossing all the other neighborhood dogs around.

369 Perry  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:08:39pm

re: #362 itellu3times

What kind of sauce?


They're a family of four; they can probably eat a whole one.

370 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:08:40pm

Oh. Never mind.

371 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:08:53pm

At least we know what the "progressive narrative" will be: the Christian Right is trying to take over via stealth candidates.

372 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:09:07pm

re: #325 rawmuse

Alaska does not have an abundance of moonbats. To that, I can attest.
It does have some.

The state actually attracts more than its fair share of moonbats, but they usually don't make it to a second winter before they skedaddle.
I remember all the "hill freaks" who came up during the seventies and built a cabin to get back to nature. Nature explained reality to them in the form of continual below zero weather and darkness, and they generally left pretty quickly.

373 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:09:08pm

re: #323 Big Steve

I have a stupid cat. He cries when you turn on a ceiling fan. I have had smart cats before but this one is pretty dumb. However he is great looking so he is Paris Hiltoning his way through life.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA

374 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:09:22pm

re: #354 armywife

Just saying that to my husband. Betcha she's doing a Shrillary on the Obama with that twisted yap of hers.

375 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:09:34pm

re: #359 goddessoftheclassroom

I know, but I have to share that story. Akitas are a great breed.

376 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:09:35pm

re: #351 livefreeor die

Troll alert.

Yeah, you can tell by the smell. Nothing to see here folks, hove along.

Thanos,

Is that your Aussie?

377 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:10:38pm

re: #339 marjoriemoon

Heyas Yoop!

That post captured it in a nutshell. I don't know what you guys have been reading, but this woman is NOT a choice that any Democrat would be happy with. Whatever she is or is not, she is a staunch religious conservative and that is not going to win over any Hillary supporters and quite frankly, any of the fence sitters.

As if there were any Dems to win over. The Dem convention brought them all home. Well any that would make a voting difference anyway.

You are right that it isn't about Hillary. When it comes down to it, and the PUMAs lick their wounds, they will vote Democrat because that is what they are after all.

You guys have some serious problems come Nov. It'll be an Obama landslide.

You must be smoking something I ain't! Good luck with your fantasy. This was an inspired by McCain!

378 rightymouse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:10:40pm

All I can say in response to John Robert's ignorant comment about Palin is this:

Married women with special needs children go to work every day in this country. Many work long hours to help support their families. You obviously underestimate a woman's capacity to work and care for hearth and home too, let alone her ability to do so despite having a child with special needs. Also, she is married. She's not a single parent, so aren't you also underestimating her husband's role as a parent?

Stick to what you know best. Although I'm not sure what that is exactly.

379 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:10:54pm

re: #339 marjoriemoon

Heyas Yoop!

That post captured it in a nutshell. I don't know what you guys have been reading, but this woman is NOT a choice that any Democrat would be happy with. Whatever she is or is not, she is a staunch religious conservative and that is not going to win over any Hillary supporters and quite frankly, any of the fence sitters.

Disagree. IMO, this pick may well bring in the Independent fence sitters, especially if the farleft continues to react the way they are now.

380 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:10:59pm

re: #362 itellu3times

I think they may not get a French poodle. That would be perceived as elitist, no?
We can't have THAT, now can we?

381 Archimedes  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:11:01pm

re: #257 jwb7605

That's a KOS dog.
Mine does the "Yiii-yelp", then follows is up with a
snrrr ... snrrr ... garhagh garhagh SNAP.

Recommended: be backed up five feet before the SNAP.

120 lbs ... see avatar.

Sheep dog?

382 GeeWiz  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:11:15pm

re: #351 livefreeor die

Please enlighten me as to the target of your "troll alert" post!

383 Ezekiel2517  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:11:36pm

Weak sauce..they are KOSting on fumes.

384 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:11:36pm

339

385 Cartman  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:11:42pm

re: #339 marjoriemoon


You guys have some serious problems come Nov. It'll be an Obama landslide.

Thank you for your brilliant *cough* analysis *cough* of the political landscape, as you fantasize envision it.

386 jwb7605  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:11:47pm

re: #321 livefreeor die


re: #319 callahan23

re: #296 vagabond trader

Isn't poodle a French breed? What a very bad idea.


Sounds right for that candidate and his "foreign policy" views.
Poodles are also very iffy with kids. Some are great, some are downright nasty.


I really hate to do this, but no: they were originally German (pudle, means "water", or "puddle" dog). The French royal ladies got involved, and downsized the original (standard) model.

I had one when I was in high school: absolute finest dog I ever had.
Was descended from a winner of Wimbledon.
I got her for free because she had brown eyes, and couldn't be shown.
So I trained her to hunt pheasants, ducks, geese, quail, and squirrels.
I shot a pheasant once, and just winged it. The dog took off after the winged bird, and disappeared. Two hours later, she shows back up with a live wounded pheasant in her mouth.

68 lbs, I kept her in the "puppy" clip. Nothing fancy.
Pupsodent was her name. Kids of the family that owned the bitch named her that from a variation of the commercial "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent". Changed the "e" to a "u" and it stuck.

387 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:11:53pm

re: #372 Thanos

I have never lived there, but I have visited many times, even in the winter. Of course, my observation must be tempered with the fact that I live in San Francisco, where lunacy is normal.

388 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:12:01pm

re: #376 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

yes it is, Kasey

389 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:12:05pm

re: #368 calcajun

Yeah but they rip the shit out of the French Poodles every few years and start bossing all the other neighborhood dogs around.

You guys are KILLING me tonight! That is so funny!

390 cliffster  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:12:15pm

Wow, response times back to normal again. Did we get bigger, stronger hamsters? Or did the post-convention post-palin-announcement frenzy just die down and load is manageable.

391 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:12:41pm

re: #385 Cartman

Thank you for your brilliant *cough* analysis *cough* of the political landscape, as you fantasize envision it.

Cartman, glad you fixed that!

392 Piglet-U93  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:12:45pm

re: #225 calcajun

... and they have not worked since the filming of the "Holy Grail".

393 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:13:00pm

re: #387 rawmuse

I have never lived there, but I have visited many times, even in the winter. Of course, my observation must be tempered with the fact that I live in San Francisco, where lunacy is normal.

The state draws people with big dreams, and with that you do get some moonbats. Most of 'em can't hack it.

394 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:13:08pm

re: #390 cliffster

Wow, response times back to normal again. Did we get bigger, stronger hamsters? Or did the post-convention post-palin-announcement frenzy just die down and load is manageable.

Viva Viagra!

395 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:13:14pm

re: #372 Thanos

The state actually attracts more than its fair share of moonbats, but they usually don't make it to a second winter before they skedaddle.
I remember all the "hill freaks" who came up during the seventies and built a cabin to get back to nature. Nature explained reality to them in the form of continual below zero weather and darkness, and they generally left pretty quickly.

There was that guy who starved to death in a abandoned school bus.

The the bear guy who became a bear entree.

Moonbats don't fair well in the real world.

396 Geepers  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:13:18pm

marjoriemoon (#339),

Presidential elections aren't won by Democrats or Republicans crossing sides, but by the middle leaning.

Palin appeals to all those "fly-over" hicks the Left patronizes.

397 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:13:19pm

Obama landslide, the guy whose ascent from Mt Obama has been upstaged by a typical bitter white woman with a gun and bible. muwahahahahahahahahahaha!

398 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:13:32pm

re: #380 katemaclaren

I think they may not get a French poodle. That would be perceived as elitist, no? We can't have THAT, now can we?

He should get a Freedom Poodle.

399 hillbilly geek  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:13:42pm

re: #366 Big Steve

BTW...been meaning to ask you being a teacher and all, have you ever heard of "subject-independent teaching skills". They were presenting something on this at the School Board meeting last week, in the area of elementary math classes. I acted all sage being a board member but didn't have a clue what it meant.

re: #366 Big Steve

Not a teacher, but it sounds like leftese for "common sense" t' me

400 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:13:53pm

re: #366 Big Steve

BTW...been meaning to ask you being a teacher and all, have you ever heard of "subject-independent teaching skills". They were presenting something on this at the School Board meeting last week, in the area of elementary math classes. I acted all sage being a board member but didn't have a clue what it meant.

No, I haven't, but I'm an English teacher. Here's a book review you may find helpful: [Link: amte.sdsu.edu...]

I think the premise makes a lot of sense: elementary ed majors may not know the best way to teach the understanding of the concepts of math, even though they know how to do the math.

I make the same argument about teaching grammar because English ed majors (and English majors, for that matter) are not taught how to teach grammar any more.

401 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:14:01pm

re: #390 cliffster

Wow, response times back to normal again. Did we get bigger, stronger hamsters? Or did the post-convention post-palin-announcement frenzy just die down and load is manageable.

Just less than 3,000 online at the moment. (Check "Statistics" on left sidebar). It was up around 5,000 this morning.

402 TMF  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:14:07pm

Its all strategy

Knowing full well that Palin will bring potentially millions of moderate and right leaning women to the GOP ticket (who may have been leaning toward obama in this poisonous for the GOP environment), the left has only one option

Demonize her as a far right extremist nut job.

Its all in the Goebbels playbook. Chapter 8, I believe.

403 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:14:13pm

KT: here's the Southern Poverty Law Center on one aspect of Joel's Army:

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

404 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:14:21pm

re: #397 vagabond trader

oops, descent, Freudian slip.

405 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:14:27pm

re: #392 Piglet-U93

... and they have not worked since the filming of the "Holy Grail".

Of course not, dammit. They retired on the residuals.

406 jwb7605  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:14:48pm

re: #381 Archimedes

Old English (actually northern Kansas, but ...)

407 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:14:51pm

You know Michelle is so furious that McCain and Palin are getting all the attention now.

408 callahan23  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:15:14pm

re: #386 jwb7605

Sorry I stand corrected on this issue.
Thanks

409 hillbilly geek  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:15:18pm

re: #393 Thanos

The state draws people with big dreams, and with that you do get some moonbats. Most of 'em can't hack it.

Called survival of the fittest. Nature, red in tooth and claw.

410 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:15:25pm

re: #398 itellu3times

He should get a Freedom Poodle.

Over here, we call them pit bulls.

411 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:15:55pm

re: #386 jwb7605

Well, I GET the "puddle" bit--I've owned puppies! However, I thought dog in German was hund-or something like that.

412 LeePro  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:16:00pm

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

There is no such thing as a "stupid" cat. On the other hand, to call a canine a "stupid" dog is redundant...

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

Buckwheat: "Take that back!" (scroll down for more adorable, SMART dog!)

413 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:16:03pm

re: #407 Typicalwhitey

You know Michelle is so furious that McCain and Palin are getting all the attention now.

That jaw of hers must be really tight right about now.

414 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:16:21pm

re: #395 jcm

There was that guy who starved to death in a abandoned school bus.

The the bear guy who became a bear entree.

Moonbats don't fair well in the real world.

Yes a few do meet there fates that way... I personally knew two.

One guy was going to climb Mt Mckinley in January because none had done that before, he hiked out of Tommy's elbow room at closing time one morning to trek there and then climb. He was found a couple years later, or his bones were anyway, he didn't even make it to Nenana.

415 Daryl Herbert  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:16:29pm

I love this line from the rant:

Palin's links to "Feminists" For Life, a deceptive anti-abortion group

Golly, those pro-lifers are so deceptive. They confuse women by calling themselves "feminists," but they are secretly pro-life.

Deception at its worst! How could any woman possibly know that a group deceptively calling itself "feminists for life" is actually pro-life?

416 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:17:13pm

From the rawmuse reading circle:
Here is a book about the ladies who mined the Yukon Gold Rush miners.
It is non-fiction, written by a lady in Fairbanks.
I found it to be a ripping good read. Funny in places, tragic in others.

417 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:17:34pm

re: #400 goddessoftheclassroom

so if I read that post, which I did quickly I might add, it is the theory that just knowing how to teach something, anything, trumps actually knowing the subject, at least at the primary school level?

418 cliffster  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:17:47pm

re: #407 Typicalwhitey

You know Michelle is so furious that McCain and Palin are getting all the attention now.

Poor Michelle - as it turns out, nobody cares about her after all.

419 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:18:01pm

Russia's invasion of Georgia three weeks ago didn't help the democrats one bit. Obama has proved he is not up to the task. McCain would not hesitate to drop a carrier BG into the Black-sea and slug it out with Russians over the issue. We all know who would win. You just have to have the gonads to do it. Obama doesn't have what it takes, and a fracken' closet communist to boot!

420 armywife  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:18:17pm

re: #413 Bobblehead

I am imagining the stomping around screaming that the press isn't paying attention to the ONE and demanding someone do something, file a lawsuit or threaten kneecaps. SOMETHING.

421 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:18:19pm

I have to go for the evening.
{goddess}
MWAH!

422 cliffster  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:18:40pm

Dominionist, eh? So do we really want to bring up the ominous church association topic again?

423 swamprat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:18:53pm

re: #289 Typicalwhitey
I am not buying it. Not a word. I think the little drone made up every word out of whole cloth, or his Dad suffers from misogyny, and would react the same way to any female candidate, from any party. It sounds like he is posting for effect.

424 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:19:04pm

re: #402 TMF

Its all strategy

Knowing full well that Palin will bring potentially millions of moderate and right leaning women to the GOP ticket (who may have been leaning toward obama in this poisonous for the GOP environment), the left has only one option

Demonize her as a far right extremist nut job.

Its all in the Goebbels playbook. Chapter 8, I believe.



Or Alinsky:

Alinsky on means and ends
3) In war, the end justifies almost any means
8) The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory
9) Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical
Tactics for radicals
5) Ridicule is man's most potent weapon
13) Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it

425 HDrepub  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:19:16pm

re: #206 Big Steve

I am imagining the KOS kids making that sound a dog makes when it is has been shot in the ass with a pellet gun...just don't know how to write that sound...someone help me out.

Sounds like you have been there, done that!
It sounds sort of like ark a ark ark ark ark.

426 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:19:27pm

Wonder if Governor Palin worries about paying for the kids piano lessons and the price of arugula.

427 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:19:35pm

Gotta run lizards. It's been a good day. Later and have a safe weekend.

428 least  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:19:42pm

Contrast Palin's CHOICE to deliver a full-term BABY -- even when she knew it had Down's Syndrome -- with Obamessiah's view that, if a woman CHOOSES to abort her BABY, she has a right to a dead child -- this is not a misstatement of his leftist-enhanced view, it is a fact.

Palin's world-view, that every life is a gift from God and must be deserving of life, prompted that CHOICE.

I predict that the attacks upon Palin, the church she goes to, the denomination the church is part of and anyone who believes in Jesus Christ are just beginning and will rapidly ratchet up in intensity.
Speaking as a Christian, I don't enjoy the uninformed spewing and raging of The KKos Kultists and their ilk (masochists might enjoy that sort of thing, normal folks don't), I know where the attacks are coming from.

429 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:19:48pm

re: #417 Big Steve

so if I read that post, which I did quickly I might add, it is the theory that just knowing how to teach something, anything, trumps actually knowing the subject, at least at the primary school level?

Yep.

Conversely, being brilliant at something doesn't necessarily mean a person can teach it.

430 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:20:14pm

re: #423 swamprat

I am not buying it. Not a word. I think the little drone made up every word out of whole cloth, or his Dad suffers from misogyny, and would react the same way to any female candidate, from any party. It sounds like he is posting for effect.

to balance, my wife, who had decided two weeks ago to vote Obama, has swung back to McCain today.

431 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:20:17pm

re: #416 rawmuse

From the rawmuse reading circle:
Here is a book about the ladies who mined the Yukon Gold Rush miners.
It is non-fiction, written by a lady in Fairbanks.
I found it to be a ripping good read. Funny in places, tragic in others.

Past three days in WA 2 rescues and 1 recovery. And WA is mild...

432 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:20:44pm

re: #427 calcajun

Gotta run lizards. It's been a good day. Later and have a safe weekend.

Later Dude. It's been a fun night!

433 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:21:30pm

Powerline is luke-warm so far about Palin, they need to read LGF!

Let me repeat something I heard on Rush today, berating some moonbat caller who wanted Rush to denounce Palin's inexperience the way he denounced 0bama's inexperience. Rush said something like:

But she can surround herself with experts and appointees who agree with her worldview and we'd have a great government, while if 0bama did that, we'd have a disaster.

Most intelligent thing I've heard out of Rush in a while, actually, I mean, that's really good.

434 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:22:10pm

Obama's Bill Burton says about Palin:

“Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush’s failed economic policies — that’s not the change we need, it’s just more of the same.”

Talking points - tired, boring, empty talking points.

435 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:22:28pm

re: #413 Bobblehead

That jaw of hers must be really tight right about now.

Her eyebrows arched into her hairline, too.

436 GeeWiz  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:22:34pm

re: #384 livefreeor die

Sorry, post #339 by marjoriemoon is not a troll but a dis-agreement of opinions. If one has a proclivity to condemn opposition as a troll, then free speech is in danger of being extinguished. JMHO!

437 livefreeor die  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:22:53pm

Gotta go too. I have to catch up on paperwork I let slide following the fun with LGF this week.
Of course, from what John Roberts at CNN said, I shouldn't worry-we little women aren't supposed to work after we have another baby so I'll have to scuttle my job after the newest member of our family comes along.
/

438 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:23:24pm

re: #429 goddessoftheclassroom

Yep.

Conversely, being brilliant at something doesn't necessarily mean a person can teach it.

so true but having both skills at teaching and knowing the subject is what really makes the grade. Also BTW we are having somewhat of a poaching war on teachers down in the Houston area and teacher salaries are really going up. Giving our board fits but to be honest, it is nice to see supply and demand economics giving teachers a hand.

439 jwb7605  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:23:45pm

re: #419 loflyer

Russia's invasion of Georgia three weeks ago didn't help the democrats one bit. Obama has proved he is not up to the task. McCain would not hesitate to drop a carrier BG into the Black-sea and slug it out with Russians over the issue. We all know who would win. You just have to have the gonads to do it. Obama doesn't have what it takes, and a fracken' closet communist to boot!

I (in my cloud 9 euphoria this morning), called my daughter-in-law, and asked her if she'd heard the pick. She hadn't, and didn't know anything about Palin.

Odd part is this girl (who lives in Camp Pendleton while my son is on deployment) indicated that the 'big fear' of McCain is that he might be too trigger happy, and we (meaning the USMC and Army) are already overdeployed.

This, coming from a Marine Wife, who's father is a Coast Guard Chief.

Something to ponder.

440 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:23:48pm

re: #437 livefreeor die

Gotta go too. I have to catch up on paperwork I let slide following the fun with LGF this week.
Of course, from what John Roberts at CNN said, I shouldn't worry-we little women aren't supposed to work after we have another baby so I'll have to scuttle my job after the newest member of our family comes along.
/

{livefreeor die}

441 katemaclaren  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:24:14pm

re: #422 cliffster

Dominionist, eh? So do we really want to bring up the ominous church association topic again?

I'm rubbing my hands together in anticipation...bring it onnn!

442 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:24:15pm

re: #418 cliffster

Poor Michelle - as it turns out, nobody cares about her after all.

And after she fixed her hair and toned down her speech...she CHANGED and HOPED that no one would notice.

443 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:24:42pm

re: #426 vagabond trader

Wonder if Governor Palin worries about paying for the kids piano lessons and the price of arugula.

No. In an article someone linked to earlier, they worry about getting the kids to soccer, basketball, and hockey.

444 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:24:58pm

re: #434 FrogMarch

You know, I love that she was mayor of a small town like mine. We have controlled spending, balanced budget, and our taxes have stayed pretty much the same for the 12 years we have lived here.None of the experienced DC insiders can boast those stats.

445 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:25:24pm

Another diary:

Worst. VP. Pick. Ever (and how to destroy her)

446 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:25:39pm

re: #438 Big Steve

so true but having both skills at teaching and knowing the subject is what really makes the grade. Also BTW we are having somewhat of a poaching war on teachers down in the Houston area and teacher salaries are really going up. Giving our board fits but to be honest, it is nice to see supply and demand economics giving teachers a hand.

Oh, absolutely! My annoyance is with those who thing at "anyone" can teach if he or she knows the subject.

OTOH, I believe that secondary teachers do need to be experts in their subject and should have, at the least, an undergraduate major in their subject area.

447 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:25:48pm

re: #21 godfrey

They're referring to Genesis. "Have dominion over the beasts and fishes," etc. As if that is ever taken to mean "the Ruination of Creation is legitimized by God."

Not far off the mark as an opinion of the "voluntary human extinction movement".

448 Shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:26:32pm

re: #445 Typicalwhitey

Another diary:

if she's the worst pick ever, why do they need to destroy her ?

449 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:26:54pm

re: #448 Shug

if she's the worst pick ever, why do they need to destroy her ?

no fair...logic

450 razorbacker  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:27:18pm

As the Confederate Yankee observed...

Dick Cheney hunts small birds with a 28 gauge shotgun. Sarah Palin hunts moose. If she shots a lawyer in the face, he'll stay down.I am not advocating the shooting of lawyers in the face. It'd ruin the mount, anyway.

451 RubyTuesday  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:27:30pm

re: #400 goddessoftheclassroom Goddess, I am so in your corner. I would love to be able to teach grammar, usage, and writing. Teachers these days, not to mention many other professionals who should know how, cannot even USE proper English, much less teach it to others.

452 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:27:48pm

re: #355 Perry

Have to take both cats in the morning. The little one is fiesty and hard to get into her box. The big one-- we've decided we'll have to butter her to squish her into her box.

See if you can get your vet to show you what I call "the kitty stretch". Grab 'em by the scruff of the neck, and with the other hand grab their 2 back legs and if you do it right, the cat literally can not move.
(4 cats, we have to use the kitty stretch regularly).

453 Archimedes  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:28:02pm

re: #331 Typicalwhitey

Military pictures too

I'll bet they loved that visit.

454 tokyobk  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:28:40pm

Well I guess it was a good pick. Nobody is out reserving websites to put up Biden speeches to prove he is a bore.

I just hope she comes out swinging and with grace and intelligence takes a good fight to Biden in the debates.

If she can prove knowledgeable on the issues and also shoe biden as pompous dullard phony working class panderer to average Americans, it will not only be a McCain win but there will be both excitement and coattails.

455 jcm  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:29:27pm

Gotta run also.

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win.
Leonid Brezhnev

456 armywife  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:29:36pm

re: #439 jwb7605

Interesting. As an Army wife (shocker, I know), the one thing I WAS ok about with McCain is his empathy and support for the military. McCain's knowledge of the military would seem an asset in determining whether to put boots on the ground. If my husband was called upon again to deploy, I would be sad and I miss him terribly when he is gone, but that is his job.

457 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:29:51pm

re: #446 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, absolutely! My annoyance is with those who thing at "anyone" can teach if he or she knows the subject.

OTOH, I believe that secondary teachers do need to be experts in their subject and should have, at the least, an undergraduate major in their subject area.

That is so untrue. I could know everything there is to know about a subject, but I cannot teach. I cannot do it. A friend once told me that my method of "teaching" is to go through it once, real fast, and then when somebody asks a question, do a heavy sigh and a "Well, WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?".

Nope. Not everyone can teach, to be a good teacher takes a very special gift.

458 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:29:53pm

re: #227 Sharmuta

It has about the same effect as a strong, intelligent conservative woman has.

Sharmuta -

Kinda, sorta, like KRYPTONITE?

-S-

459 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:29:55pm

re: #454 tokyobk

Well I guess it was a good pick. Nobody is out reserving websites to put up Biden speeches to prove he is a bore.

I just hope she comes out swinging and with grace and intelligence takes a good fight to Biden in the debates.

If she can prove knowledgeable on the issues and also shoe biden as pompous dullard phony working class panderer to average Americans, it will not only be a McCain win but there will be both excitement and coattails.

My first impression of her is that she is more intelligent than Biden, Obama - or McCain, for that matter.

460 StinkHammer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:29:55pm

re: #289 Typicalwhitey

When he found out where she was from he yelled "Alaska! Thats hardly even America!"

Anyplace that isn't Manhattan, Boston or Hollywood doesn't qualify as America to these twits.

461 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:30:11pm

re: #357 katemaclaren

I do not agree. It is, after all, Republicans who can be counted on to reliably vote when it looks like the other side is going to rush the polls.

Here is my take on it (early take, i'm still chewing). McCain and/or the RNC decided to go for the most conservative person they can find to shore up their religious base. They are saying it's under the guise to win over the Hillary dems or independents because of why? Because she's a woman? When it comes down to it, black, red, white, woman, man, it's going to be the politics that will win the day. This woman will definitely bring over any religious conservatives that McCain frightened away with his bipartisan politics and that's what the RNC wants. Because if something happens to him, they'll have the religious right in the White House. Well that's what is hoped for. But the country won't go for it.

You also have to remember that a lot of these polls are based on "likely voters". That would be folks that voted in the last election, 2004. Obama has energized 1000s of disenfranchised voters or folks that simply have not voted (good, bad, but that's how it is after all) and they can't be counted in those polls so I believe those polls are highly inaccurate.

462 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:30:21pm

re: #395 jcm

There was that guy who starved to death in a abandoned school bus.

Moonbats don't fair well in the real world.

Going out into the woods without a map and compass? I don't even drive around town with out a map. Geez...

463 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:30:35pm

Anyone heard from Realwest ? Wondering how he's doing today.

464 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:31:24pm

(yawning) It's been a very exhausting but wonderful first week of school. I'm toddling off to sleep. Take care, dear Lizards.

And if anyone reading this is a friend or relative of Gov. Palin, please tell her from me: YOU GO, GIRL!

465 AnotherRightWingConspirator  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:32:00pm

The libs reaction to the Palin pick reminds me of the way the fembots' heads exploded when Austin Powers demonstrated his mojo.

466 nyc redneck  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:32:18pm

well i love that she is a former beauty pageant winner, happily married w/ 5 children. she is conservative. she hunts, fishes, and loves her country.
she has more real experience than he does.
obama is whining because he is threatened by this woman.
he is a weakling compared to her.
he knows it. and he knows we know it.

467 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:32:19pm

re: #450 razorbacker

As the Confederate Yankee observed...

Dick Cheney hunts small birds with a 28 gauge shotgun. Sarah Palin hunts moose. If she shots a lawyer in the face, he'll stay down.I am not advocating the shooting of lawyers in the face. It'd ruin the mount, anyway.

I admire your spirit!

468 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:32:42pm

John McCain needs to remind everyone that Obama wants to take this country in the wrong direction.

The Saul Alinsky direction.

469 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:32:47pm

re: #454 tokyobk

I just hope she comes out swinging and with grace and intelligence


Grace and intelligence? Brilliant my friend,just simply brilliant! They'll never know what hit them.

470 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:32:48pm

re: #460 StinkHammer

When he found out where she was from he yelled "Alaska! Thats hardly even America!"

Anyplace that isn't Manhattan, Boston or Hollywood doesn't qualify as America to these twits.

How did Alaska do in the Olympics?

/stolen joke from Leno, actually "Mo Rocca" who was interviewing a guy from Guam

471 nyc redneck  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:33:59pm

re: #407 Typicalwhitey

You know Michelle is so furious that McCain and Palin are getting all the attention now.

she is scowling so much she is frightening her own children.

472 jwb7605  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:34:29pm

re: #456 armywife

Interesting. As an Army wife (shocker, I know), the one thing I WAS ok about with McCain is his empathy and support for the military. McCain's knowledge of the military would seem an asset in determining whether to put boots on the ground. If my husband was called upon again to deploy, I would be sad and I miss him terribly when he is gone, but that is his job.

Shocker, in THIS forum? Hardly. You have my sympathy for what you get to deal with.

My daughter-in-law was NOT saying "don't send them" by any stretch of imagination. She was worried about numerical issues, and I got the impression it was more along the Rumsfeld theory of engagement mindset.

473 kcladderman  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:35:18pm

re: #463 Bobblehead

Anyone heard from Realwest ? Wondering how he's doing today.

He stopped by this morning. Said he was in a lot of pain and would not be on for a few days.

474 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:35:25pm

Well if the Goddess has signed off, that's it for me also...

475 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:35:33pm

Y'all will get a kick out of this: I just got off the phone with my mom and she's furious over the Palin pick and swears she's going to vote for Obama. I think she'll eventually cool down but ya never know.

476 neocon hippie  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:35:46pm

OT:

LGF is still acting very strangely on Firefox 2 (XP). "Show top rated links" is still greyed out, and the ding up/down/view dingers functions have turned into links to the homepage. And the filters on the full-page Link Viewer don't work either.

477 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:35:57pm

re: #466 nyc redneck

well i love that she is a former beauty pageant winner, happily married w/ 5 children. she is conservative. she hunts, fishes, and loves her country.
she has more real experience than he does.
obama is whining because he is threatened by this woman.
he is a weakling compared to her.
he knows it. and he knows we know it.

Y'know, if we're all lucky and McCain serves four good years, Palin could be an outstanding VP ... and presidential candidate as early as 2012.

If she had to step in tomorrow as Potus, yeah, that might be dicey, but you realize, the cabinet and advisors and SCOTUS and joint chiefs and 7,000,000 federal bureaucrats still show up the next day, too.

478 hooligan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:36:06pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout
Joel's Army
It's a theological term of interest to a small number of Christians---has to do with certain scriptural interpretations. Pretty obscure and not on the radar for most Evangelicals.

Now "Joe's Army", I think meets on weekends down on the deer lease...just kidding!

479 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:36:08pm

re: #461 marjoriemoon

But the country won't go for it


Really now? Explain two terms for Bush then.

480 Cartman  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:36:19pm

Oh, oh. I think there's a dominionist at my front door.

481 StinkHammer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:37:05pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout

Y'all will get a kick out of this: I just got off the phone with my mom and she's furious over the Palin pick and swears she's going to vote for Obama.

What's her problem?

482 faraway  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:37:21pm

Michael Moore just said on MSNBC that Gustav is "proof that there is a God in Heaven"

483 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:37:21pm

re: #379 Semper Gumbi

Disagree. IMO, this pick may well bring in the Independent fence sitters, especially if the farleft continues to react the way they are now.

The far left doesn't represent the majority of the Democrats. They do make for good giggles with their antics, but every day, working class Dems do not hang their hats on a bunch of 20something wearing Che t-shirts.

I'm not completely comfortable with Obama. I was, I AM a Hillary dem (really more of a Leiberman dem), but he is our pick. Just as McCain is yours and the majority of you weren't so happy with that either. I do think the country needs a new direction, although I toyed with a McCain vote myself, but I'm afraid I'll be sticking with my party.

484 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:37:24pm

re: #480 Cartman

Oh, oh. I think there's a dominionist at my front door.

With a purple heart on?

485 CapeCoddah  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:37:28pm

Good evening everyone. I see Kos is displaying it's usual level of class today, not surprised. What a great pick for VP. I think McCain won the election outright today, and with a term or two training, Governor Palin may make an excellent presidential hopeful.
On a lighter note, a friend sent me this commercial clip today, funny, and in no way related to politics.
I wonder if we could get Obama to make a speech by this lake should he go campaigning in Scotland.

486 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:37:36pm

Somewhat OT: VDH's take on the selection of Governor Palin.

VDH post at NRO

487 Perry  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:37:50pm

re: #452 reine.de.tout

See if you can get your vet to show you what I call "the kitty stretch". Grab 'em by the scruff of the neck, and with the other hand grab their 2 back legs and if you do it right, the cat literally can not move.
(4 cats, we have to use the kitty stretch regularly).


Oh, I can get them installed ok. The problem is the kids want to help. 50# kid hoisting an 18# protesting kitty--she can really spread out! I never should have mentioned to them that the vet trip was near. They've been so good about care & grooming lately. The cats actually wait for them now. It's been sweet to see.

488 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:37:52pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout

Y'all will get a kick out of this: I just got off the phone with my mom and she's furious over the Palin pick and swears she's going to vote for Obama. I think she'll eventually cool down but ya never know.

Is your mom a democrat anyway?

489 tokyobk  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:37:53pm

re: #469 WayDownSouthInBama

Grace and intelligence? Brilliant my friend,just simply brilliant! They'll never know what hit them.

And, as everyone is saying; with authentic connection to real voting Americans.

Obama's law school classmates considered him the guy for whom regular work, such as researching case law, was beneath is destiny.

He has always been running for office so its not that he is out of touch because he is some secret Muslim, he is just never lived a real life because he has been runnning for president since he could walk.

490 ArmyWife  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:37:53pm

re: #472 jwb7605


Ok - I am sorry I misunderstood. I have discussed the over deployed theory, and to that I say "there is more than one way to skin a cat" (sorry, goddess). Supporting another nation in times of need doesn't always consist of our forces - we can ship weapons and teach THEM how to use them, for example. I have many, many more ideas along these lines.

Maybe I should send in my application for Sec. Def. Is there a link on the McCain website? ;)

491 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:38:41pm

re: #482 faraway

Michael Moore just said on MSNBC that Gustav is "proof that there is a God in Heaven"

I'm pissed the democrats didn't make him the keynote speaker at the DNC convention.

492 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:38:51pm

Oh yea, I have a difference of opinion and haven't insulted anyone, but I'm a troll.

Open your mind and get a life.

493 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:38:55pm

Folks, sorry, I have reloaded/refreshed 3 times now, but I still can't get the new comments button to work, only thing to do is to post a comment where I have nothing, absolutely nothing at all to say.

494 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:39:01pm

re: #482 faraway

Michael Moore just said on MSNBC that Gustav is "proof that there is a God in Heaven"

Funny,,, I look at him and WONDER if there's a God !

495 AnotherRightWingConspirator  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:39:20pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout

I feel your pain. My parents stopped talking to me a couple of days ago after I sent them the link of the McCain ad where Biden trashed Barry's experience and the Hildebeast praised it.

496 StinkHammer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:39:31pm

re: #483 marjoriemoon

I do think the country needs a new direction.

This is a platitude. It tells me nothing about what you believe in.

497 jharada  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:39:33pm

ahhh, I see they are going to try and Revrend Wright, Palin.

I see what they did there.

498 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:39:55pm

re: #471 nyc redneck

she is scowling so much she is frightening her own children.

I can see her stomping down the hallway with that strange manly way of walking that she has.

499 gennyk  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:40:04pm

"Obama landslide, the guy whose ascent from Mt Obama has been upstaged by a typical bitter white woman with a gun and bible. muwahahahahahahahahahaha!"

I love that McCain picked Sara Palin and I don't even like McCain. In one felled swoop, he rained on Obama's parade.

Take a visit over at the PUMA website and read what they have to say. They are so mad that the DMC screwed up by not putting Hillary on the ticket that they are writing checks for McCain and working for his campaign.

I have no doubt that Sara Palin can take on all comers handily, and now this ticket will be a winner. I'm trying my hardest to ignore the comments by the neanderthals that are saying she should be a good girl and stay home with the kids, especially her poor little newborn. The 'barefoot and pregnant' crowd is coming out of the woodwork and just illustrates again what Hillary was up against in her own party. It is time that women break the glass and I think Palin's the lady to do it. You GO girl!

500 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:40:04pm

re: #487 Perry

Oh, I can get them installed ok. The problem is the kids want to help. 50# kid hoisting an 18# protesting kitty--she can really spread out! I never should have mentioned to them that the vet trip was near. They've been so good about care & grooming lately. The cats actually wait for them now. It's been sweet to see.

LOLOLOL! Yes, cats can really spread out, it's an amazing thing to see!

501 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:40:16pm

re: #478 hooligan

It's a theological term of interest to a small number of Christians---has to do with certain scriptural interpretations. Pretty obscure and not on the radar for most Evangelicals.


Thanks. So she belongs to a goofy church. I'm an atheist so everybody belongs to a goofy church from where I'm sitting. Doesn't bother me unless they start turning up Jerimiah Wright type sermons.

502 Defogger  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:40:24pm

I am very pleased with this pick, and not at all surprised by the howls of protest from the left.
However, I do want to see how Palin does in a debate w/ Biden before I start placing any bets about Nov.
OTOH, she made pretty quick work of the corrupt, cynical establishment types in Alaska's government.
I'm not saying, of course, that Biden is a corrupt, cynical establishment type!

Oh wait . . .

503 Cartman  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:40:37pm

re: #482 faraway

Michael Moore just said on MSNBC that Gustav is "proof that there is a God in Heaven"

Moore wouldn't know about God if He smacked him upside his fat head, which He apparently already did, at birth.

504 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:40:54pm

re: #488 FrogMarch

Nope, she's a life long Republican. I don't think she's ever voted Dem in her life.

505 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:40:54pm

re: #494 sattv4u2

Funny,,, I look at him and WONDER if there's a God !

He makes me believe in de-evolution.

506 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:40:57pm

re: #461 marjoriemoon

Here is my take on it (early take, i'm still chewing). McCain and/or the RNC decided to go for the most conservative person they can find to shore up their religious base. They are saying it's under the guise to win over the Hillary dems or independents because of why? Because she's a woman? When it comes down to it, black, red, white, woman, man, it's going to be the politics that will win the day. This woman will definitely bring over any religious conservatives that McCain frightened away with his bipartisan politics and that's what the RNC wants. Because if something happens to him, they'll have the religious right in the White House. Well that's what is hoped for. But the country won't go for it.

You also have to remember that a lot of these polls are based on "likely voters". That would be folks that voted in the last election, 2004. Obama has energized 1000s of disenfranchised voters or folks that simply have not voted (good, bad, but that's how it is after all) and they can't be counted in those polls so I believe those polls are highly inaccurate.

Yeah right, Most working Americans are unavailable for polls during working hours, when all the polls take place. As America has a really great unemployment rate (even with 10 million illegal immigrants sucking up jobs). That leaves only the five percent unemployed or off-job or on vacation to answer the poll. These polls are not truly Representative and as you truly believe in them you will be truly shocked in the November elections. I sympathize with your emotions, but you are out of touch with reality. I suggest a drug rehab program to assist in your entry into reality
/best of luck!

507 GeeWiz  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:41:38pm

Based on her positions, Sarah Palin is a solid choice for John McCain and I am excited about the GOP's chances come NOV.

508 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:41:39pm

re: #501 Killgore Trout

Thanks. So she belongs to a goofy church. I'm an atheist so everybody belongs to a goofy church from where I'm sitting. Doesn't bother me unless they start turning up Jerimiah Wright type sermons.

Or, get upset over stolen crackers.

509 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:41:39pm

re: #495 AnotherRightWingConspirator

Heh. I think my mom is bluffing.

510 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:42:03pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

Nope, she's a life long Republican. I don't think she's ever voted Dem in her life.

So did she tell you her problem with Palin?

511 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:42:05pm

re: #476 neocon hippie

OT:

LGF is still acting very strangely on Firefox 2 (XP). "Show top rated links" is still greyed out, and the ding up/down/view dingers functions have turned into links to the homepage. And the filters on the full-page Link Viewer don't work either.

Neo -

U/G to FF3, from what I know, works OK on XP/SP2 per my confrere stil on XP.

-S-

512 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:42:07pm

re: #492 marjoriemoon

Oh yea, I have a difference of opinion and haven't insulted anyone, but I'm a troll.

Open your mind and get a life.

We were hoping the same from you...

513 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:42:13pm

I have known quite a few Christian "Dominionists". Some want America to return to some "Christian Nation" golden age, some think they are trying to free the majority of Americans from the unwanted and oppressive dominance of a godless liberal elitist class, some just want to have a voice, some want an out and out theocracy run by the likes of Falwell, Robertson, Hinn, and Tilton. How far they take their views and how controlling they wish to be varies greatly. Most are fairly normal people who think liberalism has been given or has taken far too much of our culture over and as Christians, they first assume Christianity is the answer.

514 shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:42:15pm

re: #482 faraway

Michael Moore just said on MSNBC that Gustav is "proof that there is a God in Heaven"

God must hate haitians

515 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:42:27pm

re: #486 Semper Gumbi

VDH post at NRO

He sez:

After the Victory Column, and a Greek temple, what can one expect from Obama during the Republican convention–Mt. Rushmore?

Good question. More body surfing, if he's smart. Take Biden along.

516 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:42:56pm

re: #508 reine.de.tout

Maybe I should steal their neopentocostal dominionist crackers to test them.

517 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:43:17pm

re: #509 Killgore Trout

Heh. I think my mom is bluffing.

You better call her back just to make sure. We're a little curious and disturbed.

518 shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:43:34pm

re: #482 faraway

Michael Moore just said on MSNBC that Gustav is "proof that there is a God in Heaven"

When there are dead bodies washing up on shore, and people are left homeless next week, I hope people play this clip over and over and over

519 AnotherRightWingConspirator  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:43:39pm

re: #509 Killgore Trout

Good luck with yours, but not mine. She's got that ancient Sicilian thing going on.

520 faraway  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:43:53pm

Michael Moore is now saying that GOP is stupid to think that women will vote for her just because she's a woman.

Is he also saying blacks are stupid also when they vote 95% for Lord Obama?

521 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:43:57pm

re: #510 FrogMarch

Lack of experience and McCain's age was the big problem. She's also under the impression that Palin is a right wing wacko of some sort.

522 StinkHammer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:44:17pm

O'Reilly just showed a graphic from MSNBC News: "How many houses does Palin add to the Republican ticket?"

Not an opinion show, not a commentary show, but Breaking News from MSNBC

Fucking outrageous.

523 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:44:20pm

re: #492 marjoriemoon

What's the matter, things getting a bit too pathological over at Kos?

524 RubyTuesday  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:44:21pm

re: #457 reine.de.tout
Word!
Teaching is a calling. Many just do it, those who are called are the ones who are remembered later in life. Being a soldier is the same, I believe. And I am grateful for both. Even though I am a conservative, no way would I have attempted to home school my kids. Instead, I prayed for the teachers they had.

525 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:44:24pm

re: #483 marjoriemoon

Okay. To each, his or her own. Everyone should make their voting decisions based on their own morals, values, and beliefs.

526 shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:44:29pm

re: #520 faraway

Is he also saying blacks are stupid also when they vote 95% for Lord Obama?


It goes without saying in democrat circles.

527 swamprat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:44:31pm

The dems attempts to scuttle Gov. Palin could very possibly enrage every working mother, every former working mother, every future working mother, every mother, father, boyfriend, girlfriend,husband, uncle, aunt, nephew, niece, counselor, boss, employee, pastor, and child of any and all working mothers to the point of absolutely ensuring the total victory of the Republican nominees. Way to go, dems in general and the fine kommentants at the Daily Kos! Go on guys; Attack the lady for keeping a Downs' Syndrome child... Please...Go on...please...We could use the votes. And America needs to see you guys for what you are...Go ahead, I have absolutely no doubt, that the leopard will reveal its spots.

528 Biff  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:44:41pm

Suprising number of Palin supporters on the PUMA site.

529 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:45:05pm

Michelle says she can't get Mr. Obama to pick up his socks. Mr. Palin does the cooking, pays the bills, and takes care of the kids.

530 callahan23  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:45:06pm

#500 reine.de.tout

LOLOLOL! Yes, cats can really spread out, it's an amazing thing to see!

From my avatar you can that I'm the proud owner of a maine-coon and they really can spread out!

531 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:45:07pm

The Lyin' King from the Comedy Channel via Hot Air. LMAO The circle of life.

532 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:45:14pm

re: #396 Geepers

marjoriemoon (#339),

Presidential elections aren't won by Democrats or Republicans crossing sides, but by the middle leaning.

Palin appeals to all those "fly-over" hicks the Left patronizes.

I'm not sure I understand your last sentence, but you're right about the other. But this election is very different with many more undecided than ever before. If they were DECIDED, they would have picked one or the other. I can't see those in the middle feeling comfy with McCain's choice.

533 ArmyWife  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:45:16pm

Maybe I should get ArmyHusband to call his lunatic left mother and see what her thoughts are, what with being a bra buring feminist and all. As she is a dem politician, I am a bit curious about her stance. She loves me.

534 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:45:33pm

re: #482 faraway

Michael Moore just said on MSNBC that Gustav is "proof that there is a God in Heaven"

Do you mean to tell me that he hasn't moved to Cuba/Russia/China/Canada yet? He's so full of himself and hating on republicans, you'd think he have MOVED by now.

535 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:46:07pm

re: #483 marjoriemoon

Can you tell me why you feel Obama will be able to change the direction of this country?
What has he accomplished since he has been in the Senate?

Why has his subcommittee, which oversees Afghanistan not held one meeting to fact find re: Afghanistan?

Why would you be comfortable voting for someone who would associate with a self admitted domestic terrorist?

Why would you be comfortable electing as President someone whose close friend and pastor said things such as "G.d damn America", the "US of KKK" and "Americans chickens are coming home to roost" when referencing 9/11?

Can you name ONE instance, just ONE where Obama worked with Republicans and Democrats on a bill in the Senate.
Just one would do.

Thank you.

536 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:46:24pm

Hot Air headlines...
Vatican warns of growing "Christianophobia"

"Christianophobia" is a growing problem around the world and it must be fought with the same determination as anti-Semitism or Islamophobia, the Vatican said on Friday.

Not everybody can be a victim at the same time. It doesn't work that way.

537 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:46:38pm

re: #169 Typicalwhitey

They are calling her a "token", saying she is covering for her daughter with the baby, calling her husband the "shadow governor", the only quotes kos uses are from msnbc, mocking her down syndrome son, and many diaries saying that their diehard republican brother/mother/father/sister etc have announced that they will not vote for Senator McCain now because of her.

LMAO

If they weren't so predictable, the political internet would be only half as much fun.

Dear lefties,

If you want "progress", how about some progress in your bullshit? I shouldn't be able to call your shots a week ahead of time.

Yours in Christ with nacho cheese,

- A guy who won't vote Democrat until Democrats stop being nasty assholes.

538 ciaospirit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:46:40pm

Striking contrast:

At Obama's event, they chanted "O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma".

At McCain's event, they chanted "USA, USA, USA".

539 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:46:56pm

I have been out all day and this is the first chance to look online at the reception of Palin.

But overheard an exchange at lunch that sums up some first impressions:

Obama Supporter: "Well she is no Joe Biden."

McCain Supporter: "And Biden is no MILF."

/Complete body slam.

540 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:47:08pm

re: #520 faraway

Michael Moore is now saying that GOP is stupid to think that women will vote for her just because she's a woman.

Is he also saying blacks are stupid also when they vote 95% for Lord Obama?

Racist? Sexist? Racist? Sexist? Racist? Sexist?

Why does politics have to be so confusing?

541 esch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:47:13pm

So I got a call from my mom this morning (old-school hippie/feminist). Lately she's been leaning more and more right, though.

First words out of her mouth: "We're screwed". I'm ashamed to say I laughed in her ear.

I've been hearing for MY ENTIRE LIFE about how screwed women have been historically. Now I get to turn the tables. I'll have her voting for McCain/Palin by Nov.

542 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:47:27pm

re: #522 StinkHammer

O'Reilly just showed a graphic from MSNBC News: "How many houses does Palin add to the Republican ticket?"

Not an opinion show, not a commentary show, but Breaking News from MSNBC

Fucking outrageous.

The mask hasn't slipped - it's on the floor smashed into tiny bits.
MS-DNC

543 Archimedes  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:48:00pm

re: #490 ArmyWife

Ok - I am sorry I misunderstood. I have discussed the over deployed theory, and to that I say "there is more than one way to skin a cat" (sorry, goddess). Supporting another nation in times of need doesn't always consist of our forces - we can ship weapons and teach THEM how to use them, for example. I have many, many more ideas along these lines.

Maybe I should send in my application for Sec. Def. Is there a link on the McCain website? ;)

I wonder if it'll be Rudy Guiliani

544 shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:48:04pm

Just went to several websites.

Front page stories on Foxnews and CNN are Palin

MSNBC NBC news and ABC news : no mention of palin.
KATRINA II

ABS news is the worst

Top Headlines
Top Story: Katrina Part II? Gustav Heads for Gulf Coast as Hurricane
PHOTOS: Remembering Hurricane Katrina
Palin Could Be Deposed in State Probe
Obama Begins Battleground State Tour
Planes Nearly Collide Over the Caribbean
Mom of Missing Fla. Girl Won't Return to Jail
Keg Photo Leads to College Prez Resignation
Obama, Phelps: Single-Mom Sons Succeed
Hiyo! Ed McMahon's Home for Sale ...Again

545 cliffster  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:48:51pm

Shhh... wait! I think I hear Sarah Palin in my backyard, waiting to sneak in through my kids' windows and convert them to christianity while I watch the news! Going to get my shotgun, brb!

546 tackle  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:49:00pm
re: #239 livefreeor die

Ladies, we still have a long way to go.

And thanks John for putting down all women who work and tend to disabled children. Very progressive of you. A**hole

As I mother to a child with special needs, I'll chime in. Let's see, how DO I do it? I work my ASS off, John. That's how. And so does my husband.

547 So?  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:49:04pm

Creationism and Kos kids aside, if something were to happen to McCain, would Palin be fit to be Commander in Chief?

548 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:49:12pm

re: #536 Killgore Trout


Not everybody can be a victim at the same time. It doesn't work that way.

You must not be a registered Democrat.

549 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:49:24pm

re: #541 esch

So I got a call from my mom this morning (old-school hippie/feminist). Lately she's been leaning more and more right, though.

First words out of her mouth: "We're screwed". I'm ashamed to say I laughed in her ear.

I've been hearing for MY ENTIRE LIFE about how screwed women have been historically. Now I get to turn the tables. I'll have her voting for McCain/Palin by Nov.

Did she say "We're screwed" - as in - Obama is screwed or McCain is screwed?

550 Biff  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:49:37pm

Has it been discussed that Palin represents the only state that shares a border with Russia? It seems to me that just the day to day issues coming before the Governor of Illinois regarding the Russian border, whether from ICE, the Coast Guard, USAF, DofCommerce, wherever, far outweigh the minimal experience of Obama's absentee adventure in the US Senate.

551 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:49:37pm

re: #513 David IV of Georgia

"Dave IV" -

Christianity is generally a good answer for many people. By heritage I am a Jew. By choice, I am Haredi - albeit with occasional dietary cheats. Going back to "the day" - my conception of Christianity is "SAME UNION, DIFFERENT LOCAL."

-S-

552 Outrider  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:49:37pm

re: #456 armywife

Interesting. As an Army wife (shocker, I know), the one thing I WAS ok about with McCain is his empathy and support for the military. McCain's knowledge of the military would seem an asset in determining whether to put boots on the ground. If my husband was called upon again to deploy, I would be sad and I miss him terribly when he is gone, but that is his job.

It's a valid subject. But we do live in dangerous times. Not using the military when they are needed because of warm and fuzzy feelings won't make the issues go away.

You got a tough job. Good luck-

553 faraway  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:49:37pm

Everything the Dems say about Palin is a trap for them.

- experience (more than Obama)
- abortion (Downs child)
- foreign policy (son in Army)
- change (she actually changed something)

Dems have been flailing about all day trying to overcome these traps without success.

554 StinkHammer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:49:44pm

re: #532 marjoriemoon

I can't see those in the middle feeling comfy with McCain's choice.

Why would you think that?

555 Perry  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:49:46pm

re: #530 callahan23

Gorgeous cat!

556 shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:50:18pm

re: #547 So?

is anybody qualified to be president?

The only person really qualified to be president is Dick Cheney, and all the former Presidents ( except Carter )

557 Biff  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:50:33pm

re: #550 Biff

PIMF Governor of Alaska (Sheeez, sorry)

558 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:50:34pm

re: #541 esch

So I got a call from my mom this morning (old-school hippie/feminist). Lately she's been leaning more and more right, though.

First words out of her mouth: "We're screwed". I'm ashamed to say I laughed in her ear.

I've been hearing for MY ENTIRE LIFE about how screwed women have been historically. Now I get to turn the tables. I'll have her voting for McCain/Palin by Nov.

ROFLMAO! Dear heavens that is funny beyond all belief.

559 nyc redneck  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:50:46pm

re: #477 itellu3times

Y'know, if we're all lucky and McCain serves four good years, Palin could be an outstanding VP ... and presidential candidate as early as 2012.

If she had to step in tomorrow as Potus, yeah, that might be dicey, but you realize, the cabinet and advisors and SCOTUS and joint chiefs and 7,000,000 federal bureaucrats still show up the next day, too.

isn't it amazing how the left is willing to elect such an america hating dork as obama.
he brings nothing to the office but his platitudes and bogus rhetoric.
no experience at all.

most americans would much rather have a woman like sarah palin covering their backs than a pencil neck coward like b.o.

560 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:50:53pm

re: #538 ciaospirit

Striking contrast:

At Obama's event, they chanted "O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma".

At McCain's event, they chanted "USA, USA, USA".

"ciao" -

In your own way - YOU GOT THE PROGRAM.

-S-

561 So?  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:50:56pm

re: #556 shug

is anybody qualified to be president?

The only person really qualified to be president is Dick Cheney, and all the former Presidents ( except Carter )

that wasn't my question...

562 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:51:00pm

re: #529 wrenchwench

Michelle says she can't get Mr. Obama to pick up his socks. Mr. Palin does the cooking, pays the bills, and takes care of the kids.

Heck,I would too! Don't argue with women who are unafraid to touch off a .338 Winchester Mag!

563 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:51:05pm

re: #521 Killgore Trout

aha. Hmmm - must be that crazy church she goes to. ;-)

564 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:51:09pm

re: #496 StinkHammer

This is a platitude. It tells me nothing about what you believe in.

These things are the differences between Dem and Rep domestic policies. The economy, civil rights, social rights, taxes, education, etc. For these things I support the Dems. For foreign policy, I swung a hard right, but honestly, I've been very dissullioned by Bush's foreign policy. He did some smart things, I support the war in Iraq, but I don't like what he's done with Israel (my major foreign policy concern) and though an Obama presidency does worry me greatly where that is concerned, I think he'll do at least as good a job as Bush. Why? Because the Congress, Dem or Rep who always votes in favor of Israel (90% of the time), won't let him do otherwise.

565 shug  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:51:20pm

re: #561 So?

I think she is as qualified as anybody who is being considered for the job

566 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:51:21pm

re: #547 So?

Creationism and Kos kids aside, if something were to happen to McCain, would Palin be fit to be Commander in Chief?

See my:

re: #433 itellu3times

567 Perry  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:51:28pm

re: #529 wrenchwench

Michelle says she can't get Mr. Obama to pick up his socks. Mr. Palin does the cooking, pays the bills, and takes care of the kids.


Mr. Palin sounds like a good husband and father. I hear they call him "First Dude" in Alaska.

568 faraway  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:51:37pm

re: #547 So?

Creationism and Kos kids aside, if something were to happen to McCain, would Palin be fit to be Commander in Chief?

Let's first ask this about the top pick, Obama, before we start worrying about the #2 pick.

569 Piglet-U93  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:51:40pm

re: #486 Semper Gumbi

Somewhat OT: VDH's take on the selection of Governor Palin.

VDH post at NRO

VDH kudos to McCain and nails Obama to the wall.

570 So?  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:51:45pm

If you think women will vote for Palin, cause she's a woman, you're wrong.

571 NTropy  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:51:52pm

Knowing she's part of the AG couldn't be more pleasing to me.

572 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:01pm

re: #547 So?

Creationism and Kos kids aside, if something were to happen to McCain, would Palin be fit to be Commander in Chief?

She would be more fit to be Commander in Chief than Obama would on his finest day.

573 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:09pm
574 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:16pm

re: #547 So?

Would Palin be fit to be CinC?

Not the right question.

Would she be fitter to be CinC than Obama?

Definitely yes.

575 rhymeswithright  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:16pm

Is it just me, or does it look like the KOSsacks are attempting to establish a religious test for public office?

576 StinkHammer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:17pm

re: #542 FrogMarch

The mask hasn't slipped - it's on the floor smashed into tiny bits. MS-DNC

I'm not an O'Reilly fan in the least, but he was absolutely LIVID over the MSNBC graphic -- so, good on him.

577 razorbacker  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:24pm
578 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:29pm

re: #547 So?

Creationism and Kos kids aside, if something were to happen to McCain, would Palin be fit to be Commander in Chief?

As Lindsey Graham pinted out, Palin stands out as someone who has done the conservative thing rather than make speeches and then go weak once handed the keys.

Give her a few weeks and you will want her on the top of the ticket.

She is the future of the party.

579 rightymouse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:37pm

Palin is apparently a hit at the Clinton forum.

Very interesting.

580 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:39pm

re: #561 So?

that wasn't my question...

So? -

Good Point - DARTH VADER '08.

-S-

581 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:49pm

re: #538 ciaospirit

Striking contrast:

At Obama's event, they chanted "O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma".

At McCain's event, they chanted "USA, USA, USA".

At Nuremberg Rallies they Hailed Hitler.

Socialism as usual.

582 loflyer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:52:55pm

re: #532 marjoriemoon

I'm not sure I understand your last sentence, but you're right about the other. But this election is very different with many more undecided than ever before. If they were DECIDED, they would have picked one or the other. I can't see those in the middle feeling comfy with McCain's choice.

Really? I am a conservative libertarian and feel totally comfortable with McCain's choice. Face it, the Democrats and MSM are in total disarray and the MSM is slowly self-destructing with their democrat propaganda that even a child can recognize with the issue, they just don't realize it yet. The MSM is literally driving a stake into their heart over this campaign. The American MSM will be destroyed if they continue there present course.

583 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:53:03pm

re: #436 GeeWiz

Sorry, post #339 by marjoriemoon is not a troll but a dis-agreement of opinions. If one has a proclivity to condemn opposition as a troll, then free speech is in danger of being extinguished. JMHO!

Thank you :)

584 NTropy  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:53:14pm

re: #570 So?

If you think women will vote for Palin, cause she's a woman, you're wrong.

Are you the spokesperson for femininity or just those you know personally?

585 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:53:16pm

re: #547 So?

Creationism and Kos kids aside, if something were to happen to McCain, would Palin be fit to be Commander in Chief?

I had this discussion with a co-worker. I believe that she and McCain are fully prepared for this and they know what can happen. She is going to be Prepared for it.

586 TMF  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:53:32pm

If you think blacks will vote for Obama b/c hes black- your wrong.

Oh wait- 98% of blacks voted for Obama.

Never mind

587 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:53:39pm

One other thing - Palin actually has more executive experience than Obama.

An indisputable fact.

588 Defogger  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:53:52pm

re: #532 marjoriemoon

I can't see those in the middle feeling comfy with McCain's choice.


You are wrong. The majority of Americans ARE conservative, and they like straight talk. Not all, but most in the middle will swing McCain's way. The evidence is already beginning to build.

589 Biff  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:53:57pm

re: #566 itellu3times

I think Palin is one sharp cookie. She'd be the first Trumanesque President since Harry. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen; and the buck stops here.

590 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:54:46pm

re: #583 marjoriemoon

Marge is a reasonable person, as I hope we all can be.

591 So?  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:54:53pm

re: #568 faraway

Let's first ask this about the top pick, Obama, before we start worrying about the #2 pick.

Obama ran against a number of Democrats to win the nomination. Why? How? Beats me. But she was just hand-picked for some agenda. Whatever, don't you think Romney would have been a better pick?

592 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:54:55pm

re: #543 Archimedes

I wonder if it'll be Rudy Guiliani

I think Rudy will get the nod for Attorney General.

I'm not so sure about who he'd put up for SecDef. Maybe Joe Lieberman?

593 TMF  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:54:58pm

I actually do think women will vote for Palin b/c she is a woman. AND because shes not a living-with-her-head-up-her-ass, bitter, resentful closet America hater like Michelle Obama

594 StinkHammer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:55:13pm

re: #564 marjoriemoon

I don't like what he's done with Israel (my major foreign policy concern) and though an Obama presidency does worry me greatly where that is concerned, I think he'll do at least as good a job as Bush. Why? Because the Congress, Dem or Rep who always votes in favor of Israel (90% of the time), won't let him do otherwise.

What's your problem with Israel?

595 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:55:16pm

re: #547 So?

Creationism and Kos kids aside, if something were to happen to McCain, would Palin be fit to be Commander in Chief?

Everyone is assuming McCain is going to drop dead any minute now.
Yes - if she is fit to be Governor she is fit to lead a nation.
What experience does a first time senator have?

596 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:55:27pm

re: #586 TMF

If you think blacks will vote for Obama b/c hes black- your wrong.

Oh wait- 98% of blacks voted for Obama.

Never mind

No, 98% of blacks who voted in the Dem primaries voted for Obama. There are quite some few Republican and Independent blacks who did not vote in the Dem primaries.

597 So?  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:55:37pm

re: #572 galloping granny

She would be more fit to be Commander in Chief than Obama would on his finest day.

Yeah, by what standards, being a mayor or shooting moose?

598 faraway  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:55:39pm

So?, you are just as stupid as the other Dems that have so easily walked into the "experience" trap. She wins the argument compared to Obama and makes Obama look bad.

599 callahan23  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:55:58pm

re: #555 Perry

re: #530 callahan23
Gorgeous cat!

Thanks!

600 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:56:08pm

re: #482 faraway

Michael Moore just said on MSNBC that Gustav is "proof that there is a God in Heaven"

I wish somebody would hang that miserable fat son of a bitch from a yardarm.

/Michael Moore, get off my planet.

601 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:56:19pm

re: #479 WayDownSouthInBama

Really now? Explain two terms for Bush then.

The first was stolen. The second we had Kerry.

602 nyc redneck  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:56:31pm

re: #498 Typicalwhitey

I can see her stomping down the hallway with that strange manly way of walking that she has.

that frowning distorted face of hers is really is scary. you can see and feel the rage and anger she has. how do you just turn that off?
i can't imagine a peaceful moment in that household.

603 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:56:34pm

re: #597 So?

Has Obama been a mayor or ever shot a rifle?

604 hooligan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:56:38pm

re: #501 Killgore Trout

You will NEVER hear "God damn America" in any Penecostal church. ESPECIALLY from the pulpit.

605 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:56:41pm

re: #522 StinkHammer

Weak, the Dems have nothing.

606 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:56:57pm

re: #532 marjoriemoon

I'm not sure I understand your last sentence, but you're right about the other. But this election is very different with many more undecided than ever before. If they were DECIDED, they would have picked one or the other. I can't see those in the middle feeling comfy with McCain's choice.

I think you are wrong. Her bio screams "the American dream", and IMO, this will appeal greatly to the middle.

607 cliffster  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:57:01pm

re: #570 So?

If you think women will vote for Palin, cause she's a woman, you're wrong.

That's a good point. If she was just any woman off the street, people probably wouldn't vote for her.

However, she isn't just some woman off the street. She has held several executive positions. She has led Alaskan government oversight committees for Oil/Gas production. And, she is the current governor of the largest state in the union, and one that gets a lot of focus because of the current focus on energy.

Because she was the winner of a beauty pageant, I feel ok saying, "Not just another pretty face".

608 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:57:01pm

I think if folks simply take the "woman" thingh of the table and look at Palin as a politician and what she has actually done in Alaska, she walks the walk.

Give me another Republican governor who went against her Senate delegation and returned Federal money because it was pork (bridge toi nowhere).

Forget the whole woman angle - she is the real deal. A real conservative.

She is the American Maggie Thatcher.

609 faraway  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:57:22pm

re: #596 galloping granny

No, 98% of blacks who voted in the Dem primaries voted for Obama. There are quite some few Republican and Independent blacks who did not vote in the Dem primaries.

We are up to 7 or 8 now. Keep counting...

610 ArmyWife  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:57:30pm

re: #552 Outrider

Thank you. But I don't consider it a burden. I am incredibly lucky - I've said it before, but I'll repeat - after being married 18 years, I am still so in love with my husband. He is an incredible Daddy, he is a hopeless romantic (don't tell him I told you), he even saved kittens from a burning trailer. True story. We have defied odds; he was 18 and I was 19 when we got married. He says its because he is never home, so in reality we have only lived together 5 years. I say its because he wears a uniform. ;)

611 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:57:32pm

re: #573 taxfreekiller

Obama world class "O" hole.

tfk, most times I can't understand what you write, but this one is out of the park. I hope you don't mind if I steal it.

612 So?  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:57:44pm

re: #598 faraway

So?, you are just as stupid as the other Dems that have so easily walked into the "experience" trap. She wins the argument compared to Obama and makes Obama look bad.

Funny, all you heard from Republicans was Obama's lack of experience for the past 6 months, now you are defending it? What a f***king joke. The whole election is a joke. I'm outta here!

613 NTropy  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:57:44pm

re: #601 marjoriemoon

The first was stolen. The second we had Kerry.

Did you forget to close your /sarcasm tag?

614 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:57:55pm

re: #591 So?

Obama ran against a number of Democrats to win the nomination. Why? How? Beats me. But she was just hand-picked for some agenda. Whatever, don't you think Romney would have been a better pick?

Biden didn't run against anyone to win the nomination as Obama's VP. He was hand picked to fit Obama's agenda.

As a matter of fact, no I do not think Romney wouldn't be better. I think he would be far worse.

615 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:57:56pm

She has more hours logged in an executive position than Obama and Biden combined.

616 Archimedes  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:58:22pm

re: #531 Bobblehead

The Lyin' King from the Comedy Channel via Hot Air. LMAO The circle of life.

Very Funny ... :D

617 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:58:34pm

The old Bush stole the election line. Oh yeah, It's a troll.

618 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:58:55pm

re: #602 nyc redneck

that frowning distorted face of hers is really is scary. you can see and feel the rage and anger she has. how do you just turn that off?
i can't imagine a peaceful moment in that household.

I can't imagine The Big ZERO cooking a decent cheeseburger.

(Never rush a cheeseburger.)

619 tokyobk  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:59:05pm

Dear McCain HQ;

Please, please make an ad using only people from towns with populations < 9,000.

A simple ad with the town name and population number in the lower left.

Americans of all sizes and colors;

"My name is John Doe, I live in North Bubbelawassee, I love my country and I am voting for John McCain."

620 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:59:12pm

re: #612 So?

The election isn't a joke, So. Do we have ideal choices? Far from it. Are we responsible for electing the best we can? Yes, and we will.

621 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:59:21pm

re: #597 So?

Yeah, by what standards, being a mayor or shooting moose?

Why don't you tell me just what accomplishments of any kind that you find Obama to have that qualify him to be POTUS on any day.

622 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:59:23pm

re: #601 marjoriemoon

The first was stolen. The second we had Kerry.

Wait, stolen? Okay, now it's time for troll spray.

623 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:59:45pm

re: #601 marjoriemoon

The first was stolen. The second we had Kerry.

The first was NOT stolen. If anyone tried to steal it, it was Algore, who specifically tried to have absentee ballots from overseas service men and women not counted.

624 Bobblehead  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:59:50pm

re: #616 Archimedes

Very Funny ... :D

My favorite line.."Every time he speaks an angel has an orgasm"

625 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 5:59:59pm

re: #602 nyc redneck

that frowning distorted face of hers is really is scary. you can see and feel the rage and anger she has. how do you just turn that off?
i can't imagine a peaceful moment in that household.

For real entertainment, try covering the lower half of her face with your hand when she's on the tube.

Watch the eyes. Look at them. Look for happiness. Look for joy. You won't find any.

She's as dead inside as Hillary, if not worse. "Just plain mean", in her own words (Freudian projection is a default characteristic on her side of the aisle).

626 razorbacker  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:00:11pm

Frank J. remembers Obama's speech, and gets reaction to it.

Anyway, it was an important speech that everyone should be talking about for about five or six minutes until McCain's running mate pick dominates the news cycle. Of course, I didn't watch it; I was busy playing Pokemon on my DS. There's these berry trees in the game that could die if I don't water them once a day, and we Republicans are all about responsibility. Still, I rounded up the reactions of other people to Obama's speech for your convenience:

REACTIONS TO OBAMA'S SPEECH

Nancy Pelosi: "It drilled my brains!"

Harry Reid:"I wish I got applauded after speaking."

Tom Daschle: "Do you think he'll hire me? Target is working me like a slave-driver."

Joe Biden: "This was Obama at his most articulate. The speech was completely devoid of the ghetto slang we would expect from his kind."

John McCain: "I've heard more coherent things out of gooks I've strangled. They also were less negative about me."

Robert Byrd: "Holy crap, we just nominated a (censored)!"

Joe Lieberman: "They wouldn't let me in the building."

Keith Olbermann: "I had to change my pants twice during it."

William Ayers: "To know my good friend Obama may go in the White House almost makes me not want to blow it up."

Jeremiah Wright: "Bet the crackers ate that up."

Kos: "Blig awagga gerrrblah!"

Michael Moore: "After it, I was speechless and obese."

Chris Matthews: "The doctors found out that the tingle up my leg is nerve damage."

Hillary Clinton: "Enjoy your moment in the spotlight, wee child, but never think this is over."

Fred Thompson: "I've crapped better speeches."

Barack Obama: "It was the greatest speech ever given. It was like God Himself was speaking through me and then I realized: I'm God."

Paris Hilton: "It lacked substance."

627 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:00:23pm

re: #612 So?

Funny, all you heard from Republicans was Obama's lack of experience for the past 6 months, now you are defending it? What a f***king joke. The whole election is a joke. I'm outta here!

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Maybe they have room for you up in Canada. Or some such.

628 callahan23  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:00:28pm

re: #594 StinkHammer

re: #564 marjoriemoon
I don't like what he's done with Israel (my major foreign policy concern) and though an Obama presidency does worry me greatly where that is concerned, I think he'll do at least as good a job as Bush. Why? Because the Congress, Dem or Rep who always votes in favor of Israel (90% of the time), won't let him do otherwise.

What's your problem with Israel?

Yes, what's your friggin' problem with Izrael?

629 cliffster  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:00:34pm

re: #612 So?

Funny, all you heard from Republicans was Obama's lack of experience for the past 6 months, now you are defending it? What a f***king joke. The whole election is a joke. I'm outta here!

I haven't really been around here long enough to say this, but I'll say it anyways - don't let the door hit you in the...

630 Biff  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:00:40pm

Furthermore, what is really going to blow the Dems away is the fact that Sarah and Todd are WAY COOLER than Barack and Michelle. Not even close on any level. Sarah is an American Super Mom/Woman/Girl. She is the model. They are the model. And she gets things done. Something Barack has never shown an ability for except to promote himself.

Can't wait for the next set of polls.

631 womball  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:00:50pm

re: #415 Daryl Herbert

I love this line from the rant:

Palin's links to "Feminists" For Life, a deceptive anti-abortion group

Golly, those pro-lifers are so deceptive. They confuse women by calling themselves "feminists," but they are secretly pro-life.

Deception at its worst! How could any woman possibly know that a group deceptively calling itself "feminists for life" is actually pro-life?

Whoa nice Avatar! Have you played the remake of Final Fantasy 4?

632 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:01:09pm

I don't think Gustav will be "Katrina II" because first, I think the mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana have now figured out that certain conditions have to be met and some protocols must be followed to get federal aid—such as asking in a timely manner.

Second, I think that the federal government has realized that much of Louisiana is populated by "special" people and may just preemptively offer aid this time without bothering with protocols and conditions.

Thirdly, the actual failings in providing necessary aid and security after Katrina, once the federal government was asked for help, should have been resolved.

———————& #8212;——————&# 8212;———

Have there been any secret jet flights into the storm? Our government has the power to influence a storm with the might of 200 atomic bombs with a few tiny jets, doesn't it?

———————& #8212;——————&# 8212;———

If you live below sea level or just near the sea, why do you feel that I need to listen to you whine about storms and flooding? I've seen motor boats cruising through my yard; I've spent days pumping, mopping, bailing out my house, digging ditches and building levees. So?

633 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:01:25pm

re: #482 faraway

Michael Moore just said on MSNBC that Gustav is "proof that there is a God in Heaven"

Notice - Michael Moore is on MSNBC. (MS-DNC)

634 StinkHammer  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:01:56pm

re: #601 marjoriemoon

The first [election] was stolen...

I was willing to engage you rationally until you trotted out that tired old trope.

/Gotta run now anyway.

635 faraway  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:02:15pm

overdose-->

636 Archimedes  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:02:27pm

re: #586 TMF

If you think blacks will vote for Obama b/c hes black- your wrong.

Oh wait- 98% of blacks voted for Obama.

Never mind

Maybe we should paint Obama white and McCain black. :D

637 Wilderstad  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:02:27pm

re: #627 galloping granny

Shh. Granny.we don't need him either. Anarctica is much better , wink, nudge.

638 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:03:20pm

Have to chuckle over the ageism stirred up by the Dems. McCain is well known to be energetic and healthy, cancer free, looks great, his mother is 96 and lucid. The Obama is a heavy smoker and having been an oncology nurse,I can assure you that 47 is not too young to develop a serious illness caused by tobacco. In fact I'd be very surprised if he didn't exhibit symptoms of emphysema.His mother died of cancer at a relatively young age. Why won't he release his medical records?

639 Piglet-U93  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:04:03pm

re: #556 shug

is anybody qualified to be president?

The only person really qualified to be president is Dick Cheney, and all the former Presidents ( except Carter )

ROTFLMAO

640 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:04:28pm

re: #601 marjoriemoon

Dinged down for the "stolen" statement. The second, regarding Kerry, I wholeheartedly agree.

641 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:04:34pm

re: #639 Piglet-U93

You're right about Cheney. In a sane world, he'd be an obvious choice.

642 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:04:59pm

re: #601 marjoriemoon
That lie was shot out of the water a LONG time ago.:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.

The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news media companies, including CNN.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

643 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:05:18pm

re: #619 tokyobk

Great idea, they can start with my little town.

644 nyc redneck  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:05:54pm

re: #638 vagabond trader

Have to chuckle over the ageism stirred up by the Dems. McCain is well known to be energetic and healthy, cancer free, looks great, his mother is 96 and lucid. The Obama is a heavy smoker and having been an oncology nurse,I can assure you that 47 is not too young to develop a serious illness caused by tobacco. In fact I'd be very surprised if he didn't exhibit symptoms of emphysema.His mother died of cancer at a relatively young age. Why won't he release his medical records?

excellent point (s).

645 tokyobk  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:06:44pm

re: #643 vagabond trader

Great idea, they can start with my little town.


The dig from the Obama campaign was just so stupid and out of touch, "let them eat cake" out of touch.

Actually, the Obama's are starting to remind me of transplanted royalty where they speak a different language than their "subjects."

646 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:07:31pm

re: #601 marjoriemoon

The first was stolen. The second we had Kerry.

Oh hell - not this again.
The first election was almost stolen by a media who called Florida for Gore before the polls closed on the pan-handle.
The election was almost stolen by Gore when the Florida supreme court said - "sure Gore, just cherry pick the votes form the counties you want."
The Supreme court of the US had to correct that: Either count every county or stop with the bogus multi-recount with hanging chads - it's compromising the system.

anyway - after all was said and done -everything was re-counted and Bush actually increased his lead. A close election is not a stolen election. Unless you are a koolaide drinker.

647 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:08:36pm

re: #535 Typicalwhitey

Can you tell me why you feel Obama will be able to change the direction of this country?
What has he accomplished since he has been in the Senate?

Why has his subcommittee, which oversees Afghanistan not held one meeting to fact find re: Afghanistan?

Why would you be comfortable voting for someone who would associate with a self admitted domestic terrorist?

Why would you be comfortable electing as President someone whose close friend and pastor said things such as "G.d damn America", the "US of KKK" and "Americans chickens are coming home to roost" when referencing 9/11?

Can you name ONE instance, just ONE where Obama worked with Republicans and Democrats on a bill in the Senate.
Just one would do.

Thank you.

Like I say, I'm a Hillary dem and not proud of my party's pic, but I'm more unhappy with the Repubs pic. And I feel it's important to vote.

To me Obama is like JFK. Now don't have a hemorhage... what I mean by that, JFK really wasn't such a great president policy-wise, but his greatest triumphs was in uniting the country at a time when we were torn into shreds. I know that statement makes you all very unhappy and you think I'm crazed to say it, but I see it happening. If Obama can pick a good cabinet, we may have a chance. And whether you all agree or not, the country is suffering now economically.

Then again, he may be another Carter... (God forbid) I can't say, but it's what I see.

648 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:08:52pm
649 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:09:31pm

re: #644 nyc redneck

Thanks Red. Glad others noted that the black "Jackie Kennedy" has a very angry demeanor. I thought she looked like a lemon was stuffed in her mug while Hil and Bill spoke.Most definitely the power behind the throne.

650 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:10:16pm

re: #554 StinkHammer

Why would you think that?

Too far right, or so it would seem.

651 Piglet-U93  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:11:01pm

re: #602 nyc redneck

that frowning distorted face of hers is really is scary. you can see and feel the rage and anger she has. how do you just turn that off?
i can't imagine a peaceful moment in that household.

Makes you wonder who is the boss in the family?

Maybe Barack is getting a Michelle lecture (treatment) for the entire week end?

652 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:11:15pm

re: #612 So?

Funny, all you heard from Republicans was Obama's lack of experience for the past 6 months, now you are defending it? What a f***king joke. The whole election is a joke. I'm outta here!

Dude. Apparently, you don't get that there is a world of difference between experience at the top of the ticket and at the bottom. And besides, she has a lot more executive experience than Obama has. I have no doubt that, if unexpectedly thrust into the Presidency, she would surround herself with top notch advisers. I cannot say the same about Senator Obama.

653 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:11:45pm

re: #551 Dr. Shalit

"Dave IV" -

Christianity is generally a good answer for many people. By heritage I am a Jew. By choice, I am Haredi - albeit with occasional dietary cheats. Going back to "the day" - my conception of Christianity is "SAME UNION, DIFFERENT LOCAL."

-S-

If it makes you feel better, I broke the fast today and had chicken and vodka. There are Christians that often feel the need to pray the facetious prayer, "Jesus, save me from your followers." Some "Christians" are idiots—dangerous idiots. If you are unable to tell us apart, it would be wise to be wary.

654 hippieforlife  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:11:50pm

re: #92 livefreeor die

Your point is right on!

655 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:12:06pm

re: #645 tokyobk

The dig from the Obama campaign was just so stupid and out of touch, "let them eat cake" out of touch.

Actually, the Obama's are starting to remind me of transplanted royalty where they speak a different language than their "subjects."

They also have repeatedly exhibted a marked tendency to shoot from the hip with both barrels before they take 30 seconds to even consider what they are doing. Obama clearly does not make good decisions. That is why he has to change his mind about so many of them.

Frankly, The One has become a dangerous laughing stock.

656 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:12:09pm
657 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:12:47pm
658 Biff  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:12:58pm

re: #614 galloping granny

I think Biden was picked as a counter to Mitt. They both had their strengths, they both appealed to similarly sized demographics. It was planned to be a wash, with Biden maybe scoring some points in the debate.

They never saw Palin coming. If Biden attacks her, she will come right back at him. He is screwed. If it is perceived that she wins a debate (which is quite possible), Biden and Obama will be doubly and tripley screwed. Even have the gals at PUMA seem to like her.

This is now such a mismatch. Obama picks a run-stuffing defensive linemen, and McCain comes at him with a triple threat rookie of the year. Palin has it all over Obama, who was supposed to be the star of the election. Biden will be ineffective and simply ignored, and McCain and Palin will pick off Obama all day long. This could be a route.

659 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:13:22pm

re: #647 marjoriemoon

Big Oil
Saul Alinsky must win!
We need a change in Washington


there - I saved you some time with your party's bullshit talking points.
If Obama wins - many many folks who work for a living ,provide jobs etc will be packing up and leaving. I know I'm taking my money off the table.
Obama says he wont tax the shit out of everyone - but that's a lie.

660 esch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:13:43pm

re: #549 FrogMarch

She's a Dem.

I just talked to her a few minutes ago and started the conversion. She's still fuming.

661 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:14:22pm

re: #647 marjoriemoon

Marj, I love ya, you're calling it like you see it. The way I see it, the economy grew 3.3% last quarter. We're not in recession. The Eurozone is tipping into recession, and the dollar is strengthening. Palin has more executive hours logged than Obama and Biden combined. She has been a very effective executive, a reformer, in a tough state. McCain isn't going to ram through some hard-right agenda -- he's a cross-the-aisle guy, and you know it. Palin will be respected, and she'll gain even more executive experience. This is really good for America. Obama is not "uniting" America. He is providing it a sham, a celebrity mirage, and he will definitely smuggle through a very hard-left agenda. That's where he's from. I want to see more successful young black executives rise in our executive branch. We've seen more of them in GOP cabinets than Dem ones.

McCain and Palin will be good. Keep thinking it over.

662 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:14:28pm

re: #601 marjoriemoon

The first was stolen. The second we had Kerry.

Stolen? Uh, you have no grasp of the points of law that went into that election as well as the attempts to subvert the law by the Gore campaign. Gore lost every count and every trial. There was no theft--only the big lie that people like you keep echoing despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Get over it. It's done and in 4 months you won't have George Bush to blame for all the world's ills anymore.

663 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:14:59pm

re: #647 marjoriemoon

Yes, the most ethical Dems are so concerned with our "suffering" they adjourned Congress and hightailed it home without allowing discussion of the major cause of the "suffering." BTW, it was Kennedy and the other Demo-hawks of the 60s who dragged us into Vietnam.Bet you're also proud of that inconvenient truth, eh?

664 razorbacker  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:15:07pm

re: #647 marjoriemoon

To me Obama is like JFK. Now don't have a hemorhage... what I mean by that, JFK really wasn't such a great president policy-wise, but his greatest triumphs was in uniting the country at a time when we were torn into shreds. I know that statement makes you all very unhappy and you think I'm crazed to say it,

I'm not going to call you crazy. I'll just point out that you evidently weren't around during JFK's time. The country was not 'torn into shreds'. Although JFK actually did benefit from a stolen election. See Chigaco and the Daley Machine.

I think you've mistaken JFK's time with LBJ and years since.

665 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:15:10pm

re: #647 marjoriemoon

Like I say, I'm a Hillary dem and not proud of my party's pic, but I'm more unhappy with the Repubs pic. And I feel it's important to vote.

To me Obama is like JFK. Now don't have a hemorhage... what I mean by that, JFK really wasn't such a great president policy-wise, but his greatest triumphs was in uniting the country at a time when we were torn into shreds. I know that statement makes you all very unhappy and you think I'm crazed to say it, but I see it happening. If Obama can pick a good cabinet, we may have a chance. And whether you all agree or not, the country is suffering now economically.

Then again, he may be another Carter... (God forbid) I can't say, but it's what I see.

Just a question, if you are a Hillary dem, why are you MORE unhappy with the Republicans pick? McCain is, well the most liberal Repub out at the moment and the conservative base had a very hard time warming up to him. Why does it make you unhappy about our pick if you are a democrat?

666 Thanos  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:16:15pm

re: #652 Semper Gumbi

Dude. Apparently, you don't get that there is a world of difference between experience at the top of the ticket and at the bottom. And besides, she has a lot more executive experience than Obama has. I have no doubt that, if unexpectedly thrust into the Presidency, she would surround herself with top notch advisers. I cannot say the same about Senator Obama.

I don't even worry about the advisors. Alaskans are generally better educated, more competent, and more capable than the average citizen. They have to be due to the environment, the boom and bust cycle of the economy up there, and the paucity of professionals and and experts in the state. Everyone has to be expert in multiple things just to get by. They are all jacks of many trades.

667 zimriel  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:16:30pm

re: #91 DesertSage

You're thinking Dominatrix. Most Kos Kiddies are into that.

And maybe some of us here too?
:')

Hey, if you gotta go BDSM, you could do worse...

668 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:16:40pm

re: #582 loflyer

Really? I am a conservative libertarian and feel totally comfortable with McCain's choice. Face it, the Democrats and MSM are in total disarray and the MSM is slowly self-destructing with their democrat propaganda that even a child can recognize with the issue, they just don't realize it yet. The MSM is literally driving a stake into their heart over this campaign. The American MSM will be destroyed if they continue there present course.

Libertarians are pretty far right so I can understand your happiness.

My party has become a bunch of wimps which distresses me to no end. Maybe why I hang out here rather than KOS, but at my heart, I'm still a Democrat.

669 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:17:03pm

re: #660 esch

She's a Dem.

I just talked to her a few minutes ago and started the conversion. She's still fuming.

So she feels like the dems are screwed. Lets hope so!

My first impression of Palin was the same. The Dems are screwed. I think that is why we are seeing this over-the-top dropping of the mask at all the major news outlets. The DNC media is collectively pissed and they want to lash out at her. How dare she steal Obama's holy progressive right to the throne of their carefully crafted kingdom.

670 callahan23  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:17:04pm

re: #661 godfrey

I agree one hundred percent!

671 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:17:43pm

re: #590 rawmuse

Marge is a reasonable person, as I hope we all can be.

I can feel the love! ((muse))

672 mailmars  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:18:43pm

re: #547 So?

Creationism and Kos kids aside, if something were to happen to McCain, would Palin be fit to be Commander in Chief?

And the number 1 spot on the Dem ticket is ready? Are you guys sure you want to dwell on that point?

673 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:21:00pm

re: #647 marjoriemoon

Like I say, I'm a Hillary dem and not proud of my party's pic, but I'm more unhappy with the Repubs pic. And I feel it's important to vote.

To me Obama is like JFK. Now don't have a hemorhage... what I mean by that, JFK really wasn't such a great president policy-wise, but his greatest triumphs was in uniting the country at a time when we were torn into shreds. I know that statement makes you all very unhappy and you think I'm crazed to say it, but I see it happening. If Obama can pick a good cabinet, we may have a chance. And whether you all agree or not, the country is suffering now economically.

Then again, he may be another Carter... (God forbid) I can't say, but it's what I see.

You've been drinking the koolaid Marjoriemoon. JFK did NOT unite our country when it was torn to shreds. I lived through that era. Martin Luther King gave his "I Have A Dream" speech on August 28, 1963. John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 - not quite three months later. The Civil Rights Amendment of 1964 was signed on July 2 of 1964 by Lyndon Baines Johnson. And that was when the real problems started. JFK handled none of those problems.

Obama is not qualified by any stretch of the imagination to be the President of the United States of America, not on even the most superficial basis.

674 Cartman  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:21:02pm

Talk of stolen elections does not constitute trolldom? Or at least a healthy dose of moonbattery? Oh, I forgot...this is the kinder, gentler LGF. Sheesh.

675 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:21:31pm

re: #671 marjoriemoon

I can feel the love! ((muse))

Except you really stepped in it about the 2000 stolen election. It is a fiction that you must jettison, dear.
/Don;t make me put on the kilt, dammit...

676 Wendya  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:21:52pm

re: #32 Bobblehead

Via Hot Air..check this one out. I know it's been said many times and many ways but those people are sick, sick, sick.

Classy bastards, aren't they?

677 hooligan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:21:53pm

re: #647 marjoriemoon

I don't see any evidence, pre-election, of Obama uniting the country.
And I don't see any indication that he is the man that JFK was---flawed, but a striver and a leader.

The election of 1960 was incredibly close. JFK was successful post-election but Camelot has always been a complicated political story.

678 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:22:22pm

re: #674 Cartman

Just don't refer to the Obama as the... er, uh, um, never mind.

679 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:23:47pm

re: #594 StinkHammer

What's your problem with Israel?

None, I'm a Zionist. 3rd generation in fact!

There's a big list on my Bush disappontments with Israel. Probably at the top is money to the Palis. But as it seems that the "2 state solution" is the only solution available, I guess we have to go with that. In reality, they already have a state, 2 freakin states in fact! The problem is that the Palis cannot acknowledge it because if they accept it, they can't keep killing Jews and their hope to run us into the sea is gone.

The don't pick the cabinet until after someone is elected yes? I think the Sec of State for both parties would be an important thing to know in this regard.

680 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:24:34pm

re: #508 reine.de.tout

re: #501 Killgore Trout

Thanks. So she belongs to a goofy church. I'm an atheist so everybody belongs to a goofy church from where I'm sitting. Doesn't bother me unless they start turning up Jerimiah Wright type sermons.

Or, get upset over stolen crackers.

People not liking my response to Killgore. Guess I should have explained I'm one who got upset over the stolen cracker.

681 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:25:41pm

re: #612 So?

Funny, all you heard from Republicans was Obama's lack of experience for the past 6 months, now you are defending it? What a f***king joke. The whole election is a joke. I'm outta here!

Yes you are a joke. A pathetic one. Let me spell this out in small words so you might understand.

Obama wants to be President. The vast majority of his experience has been feeding at the public trough. His few "accomplishments" have been massive failures. If you think Obie is a better choice than even Palin, then I commend your crack supplier on the quality of his product.

Palin would be VP-NOT president. She has much more actual leadership experience. She has run her own companies in addition to her elected positions. Even though she will only be VP, she is still more qualified than Obie especially since she's far more in touch with the average American than the spoiled elitest Obie who's never had a real job.

Basically you're just mad because you know how this hurts the dem chances at winning the White House. The GOP did something your allegedly pro minority party did not. Stings eh?

682 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:25:51pm

re: #606 Semper Gumbi

I think you are wrong. Her bio screams "the American dream", and IMO, this will appeal greatly to the middle.

Could be! We will see! I mentioned in the other thread, I may have to eat a lot of crow over my statements, but that's where I am presently.

683 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:25:55pm

re: #679 marjoriemoon

None, I'm a Zionist. 3rd generation in fact!

There's a big list on my Bush disappontments with Israel. Probably at the top is money to the Palis. But as it seems that the "2 state solution" is the only solution available, I guess we have to go with that. In reality, they already have a state, 2 freakin states in fact! The problem is that the Palis cannot acknowledge it because if they accept it, they can't keep killing Jews and their hope to run us into the sea is gone.

The don't pick the cabinet until after someone is elected yes? I think the Sec of State for both parties would be an important thing to know in this regard.

Are you insane? and you call yourself a Hillary Democrat. No other president in recent history has supported the Palis more the Bill Clinton. (not counting Carter) No-one glad-handed Arafat more than Bill Clinton - you know - Hillary's husband.

684 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:26:10pm

re: #679 marjoriemoon

Good question about likely Secs of State. Would Lieberman be good there? I'd like to see Bolton run around State with a blowtorch, just to clean it up, but then we'd need someone longer-term in there. Lugar?

685 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:27:18pm

re: #613 NTropy

Did you forget to close your /sarcasm tag?

LOL no. I know that's a big contention with ya'll... the stolen thing. It is what it is and I've long gotten over it.

686 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:28:16pm

re: #679 marjoriemoon

How do you reconcile the Obama sitting in a church for nearly two decades listening to a preacher who referred to Israel as "that dirty word?" A preacher who reveres the Jew hating racist Louis Farrakhan.

687 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:29:45pm

re: #623 rawmuse

The first was NOT stolen. If anyone tried to steal it, it was Algore, who specifically tried to have absentee ballots from overseas service men and women not counted.

It's not a topic worth rehashing. I'm a Florida voter. I'm used to my vote not being counted. I vote anyway.

688 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:30:12pm

I don't suppose I should be all that surprised about religious bigotry from the kossies. What surprises me is that my membership in the FCA back in high school evidently makes me a dominionist, too. I guess I've just been awaiting my orders all these years.

689 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:30:21pm

So let's play Pick the Cabinets, then.

690 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:31:12pm

re: #687 marjoriemoon

It's not a topic worth rehashing. I'm a Florida voter. I'm used to my vote not being counted. I vote anyway.

The plastic blue cube goes in the square hole, not the round one. That's why your vote didn't count.
///

691 NTropy  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:35:45pm

re: #685 marjoriemoon

Well, I'll let it drop since you've taken it in the shorts from a number of others. I guess if it comforts you then you should continue clinging to the illusion. The fact that you're hanging out here and not with the Kossacks tells me there's something going on besides fever dreams.

692 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:36:16pm

re: #691 NTropy

Well, I'll let it drop since you've taken it in the shorts from a number of others. I guess if it comforts you then you should continue clinging to the illusion. The fact that you're hanging out here and not with the Kossacks tells me there's something going on besides fever dreams.

Political jungle fever?
///

693 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:38:00pm

re: #661 godfrey

Marj, I love ya, you're calling it like you see it. The way I see it, the economy grew 3.3% last quarter. We're not in recession. The Eurozone is tipping into recession, and the dollar is strengthening. Palin has more executive hours logged than Obama and Biden combined. She has been a very effective executive, a reformer, in a tough state. McCain isn't going to ram through some hard-right agenda -- he's a cross-the-aisle guy, and you know it. Palin will be respected, and she'll gain even more executive experience. This is really good for America. Obama is not "uniting" America. He is providing it a sham, a celebrity mirage, and he will definitely smuggle through a very hard-left agenda. That's where he's from. I want to see more successful young black executives rise in our executive branch. We've seen more of them in GOP cabinets than Dem ones.

McCain and Palin will be good. Keep thinking it over.

Thanks Godfrey. It's hard to talk to you guys about domestic policies because we're so polarized and I usually avoid it here because I don't like being attacked.

I don't know if we're technically in a recession, but I know too many people are hurting and that is a reality. At the base, I think Dems have better domestic policies and we can argue them until the cows come home. I also don't think Obama is hard left. Kucinch is hard left. I would have preferred Hillary.

694 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:38:03pm

re: #671 marjoriemoon

I can feel the love! ((muse))

You know marjoriemoon, there are a lot of people here who were once "democrats." I would conservatively guess an easy 1/3.

This is not about whether you are a dem or an independent or a republican. This is about how you feel about our nation.

I listened to Obama last night - and many other times. He, a black man that has benefited greatly from affirmative action, a many who has had the best education money can buy, who lives in a home worth nearly $2 million, does not like this country. We are mean, we are stingy, we have done nothing good. There is nothing he is proud of. His words are an endless litany of all the "bad" things that are wrong with our nation.

I haven't had Obama's benefits and I don't have his luxuries. I have literally sweat blood to raise my children, to educate myself, to keep a roof over our heads. I've done without insurance, food and sometimes even underwear. If anyone has a right to feel angry and bitter and complain about how bad things are, that would be me. But that is NOT my America.

I am proud of my country, I am proud that each of my four daughters has had better opportunities than I have had, I have the same hope for my country that my ancestors had in 1620 when they first set foot on these shores. I am blessed. My family is blessed.

I've always liked John McCain. He is a hero and he loves this country with every ounce of his being. John is honorable. Most importantly, he can be trusted to guard our nation's future.

Sarah Palin loves our country too. I don't agree with her about everything, but her love for our nation comes shining through. She is honest. Sarah Palin can be trusted.

Barrak Obama has proven over and over that his word his nothing. He is a liar. He does not choose good advisers now or make good choices now. What makes you think that he will improve after the job interview?

695 NTropy  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:39:15pm

re: #692 Hard Right

Nahh - Marjorie seems nice, just mistaken. Why be antagonistic? In the six years I've been commenting here I've seen way WAY worse than Marjoriemoon.

696 Spirit93  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:41:43pm

re: #461 marjoriemoon

Here is my take on it (early take, i'm still chewing). McCain and/or the RNC decided to go for the most conservative person they can find to shore up their religious base. They are saying it's under the guise to win over the Hillary dems or independents because of why? Because she's a woman? When it comes down to it, black, red, white, woman, man, it's going to be the politics that will win the day. This woman will definitely bring over any religious conservatives that McCain frightened away with his bipartisan politics and that's what the RNC wants. Because if something happens to him, they'll have the religious right in the White House. Well that's what is hoped for. But the country won't go for it.

You also have to remember that a lot of these polls are based on "likely voters". That would be folks that voted in the last election, 2004. Obama has energized 1000s of disenfranchised voters or folks that simply have not voted (good, bad, but that's how it is after all) and they can't be counted in those polls so I believe those polls are highly inaccurate.

As ABC News put it (I'm paraphrasing):

"Now, no matter who wins, this will be a historic elections because it means either an African American or a women elected to the executive office of the US"

McCain just stole Obama's thunder.

697 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:43:01pm

re: #695 NTropy

Nahh - Marjorie seems nice, just mistaken. Why be antagonistic? In the six years I've been commenting here I've seen way WAY worse than Marjoriemoon.

A little teasing of the moonbat, really. Sorry, but saying the election was stolen tells me she's not just mistaken.
However, I wouldn't call her a troll either.
BTW, the more / I type, the less serious I am.

698 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:43:14pm

re: #665 baxtrice

Just a question, if you are a Hillary dem, why are you MORE unhappy with the Republicans pick? McCain is, well the most liberal Repub out at the moment and the conservative base had a very hard time warming up to him. Why does it make you unhappy about our pick if you are a democrat?

I don't see what's so liberal about McCain. My mom's been an Arizona resident some 20 years and nothing I've ever heard about him makes me think he's a liberal. He has voted bipartisan and quite honestly, I'm happy about that. But you really can't call him a liberal anymore than you can call Hillary a conservative, and she votes bipartisan too.

But then again, I'm a Clinton lover (Oh I see you all cringing at your terminals). Bill was our Reagan after all :)

699 NTropy  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:46:09pm

re: #698 marjoriemoon

Bill was our Reagan after all :)

ACK! Blasphemy! Bill got lucky with a totally unforeseen explosion of the internet. He was a miserable failure on foreign policy. Comparing Clinton to Reagan is like comparing poop to platinum.

700 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:47:06pm

re: #673 galloping granny

You've been drinking the koolaid Marjoriemoon. JFK did NOT unite our country when it was torn to shreds. I lived through that era. Martin Luther King gave his "I Have A Dream" speech on August 28, 1963. John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 - not quite three months later. The Civil Rights Amendment of 1964 was signed on July 2 of 1964 by Lyndon Baines Johnson. And that was when the real problems started. JFK handled none of those problems.

Obama is not qualified by any stretch of the imagination to be the President of the United States of America, not on even the most superficial basis.

Well yes, that's true. I was born in 62. I guess what I meant is that Obama has that same unifying feeling during the same time in the 60's of great civil unrest and inequality (what I meant by torn to shreds). Real or not, it's how Obama is perceived by a WHOLE lot of people who are going to vote.

701 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:47:36pm

re: #698 marjoriemoon

I don't see what's so liberal about McCain. My mom's been an Arizona resident some 20 years and nothing I've ever heard about him makes me think he's a liberal. He has voted bipartisan and quite honestly, I'm happy about that. But you really can't call him a liberal anymore than you can call Hillary a conservative, and she votes bipartisan too.

But then again, I'm a Clinton lover (Oh I see you all cringing at your terminals). Bill was our Reagan after all :)

Bill was not a Reagan. In 50 years what the history books will record about Bill Clinton is that he was one of two presidents who were impeached.

What makes John McCain a "liberal" - and he is not really - is that John makes decisions based on what he believes, on the ethics that he was raised with, on his sense of honor - even if that means that he goes against every single person in his own party.

702 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:48:37pm

re: #693 marjoriemoon


I don't know if we're technically in a recession, but I know too many people are hurting and that is a reality. At the base, I think Dems have better domestic policies ...

Marjoriemoon, since your not answering my question, I just want to impart some wisdom on you::

In the midst of the Clinton Years and the "greatest economical policies EVAH" as referenced by our Media and by the Democrats, my family struggled. STRUGGLED. We went hungry, we barely had money to pay our bills, everything was handed down through the family and my parents worked several jobs. This all started because my father lost his job and my mother had to go back to work (she was a stay at home mother). They both worked 80 hours a week to pay for everything and never complained. I and my sister were latchkey children. My father tried to get unemployment and we were told that he MADE TOO MUCH MONEY (we barely scraped by).

The moral of the story is: People fall on hard times no matter what.

We made it and finally climbed out of the debt we were in, and we did it without government help.

703 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:48:40pm

re: #675 rawmuse

Except you really stepped in it about the 2000 stolen election. It is a fiction that you must jettison, dear.
/Don;t make me put on the kilt, dammit...

hehehe... I must be a masochist for typing that. It's ok, I still love ya. (and YES I want a kilt pic!)

704 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:48:47pm

re: #698 marjoriemoon

I don't see what's so liberal about McCain. My mom's been an Arizona resident some 20 years and nothing I've ever heard about him makes me think he's a liberal. He has voted bipartisan and quite honestly, I'm happy about that. But you really can't call him a liberal anymore than you can call Hillary a conservative, and she votes bipartisan too.

But then again, I'm a Clinton lover (Oh I see you all cringing at your terminals). Bill was our Reagan after all :)

If Bill was your Reagan, then the dem McCain is not quite a liberal, but has some rather liberal positions on critical issues. Now, a liberal saying they don't think McCain is a liberal is like Olberman calling Ted Kennedy a centrist.

705 docremulac  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:50:06pm

That's it? She goes to church?

George Soros should audit his hit men every once in a while.

706 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:51:29pm

re: #700 marjoriemoon

Well yes, that's true. I was born in 62. I guess what I meant is that Obama has that same unifying feeling during the same time in the 60's of great civil unrest and inequality (what I meant by torn to shreds). Real or not, it's how Obama is perceived by a WHOLE lot of people who are going to vote.

A WHOLE lot of people who are going to vote perceive Barrak Hussein Obama as the worst thing that has happened to race relations in this country in more than 50 years. He has single-handedly undone every last thing that people of my generation of both colors died to achieve. He is not a unifier, he is a divider. He is a man who has every bit as many drops of white blood as he does black that dares to call the white grandmother who raised him a "typical white person." Barrack Obama is a racist. He will never get my vote and he will never be my president.

707 Sylvester_T_Cat  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:51:34pm

re: #597 So?

Yeah, by what standards, being a mayor or shooting moose?

Four successful years as mayor -- "successful" being, kept her campaign promises to lower taxes and get more use out of existing finances. Two successful years as governor, "successful" being, balancing the state budget, helping corrupt politicians read the 'Exit' sign, negotiating and signing the Gas Pipeline contract (probably going to be the largest ever construction contract in North America, btw), "supporting the troops" in deed as well as word, etc... The lady walks her talk.

As opposed to, say, Obama, who had a tiny bit of Annenberg Foundation experience, during which he and his buddy Bill Ayers spent something like 105 million on "educational improvement" projects that had absolutely zero effect on anything measurable for Chicago kids.

/Tough choice, eh? ;-)

708 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:51:48pm

re: #698 marjoriemoon

I don't see what's so liberal about McCain. My mom's been an Arizona resident some 20 years and nothing I've ever heard about him makes me think he's a liberal. He has voted bipartisan and quite honestly, I'm happy about that. But you really can't call him a liberal anymore than you can call Hillary a conservative, and she votes bipartisan too.

But then again, I'm a Clinton lover (Oh I see you all cringing at your terminals). Bill was our Reagan after all :)

The Maverick: supported Cap & Trade.
- sort of buys into Global Warming/Climate Change.
- soft on illegal immigration.. and much much more!

If I go on, I may upset the others. Read up my friend. Knowledge is power. Educated thyself instead of just listening to the tired old mainstream media. It will knock your socks off!

709 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:52:36pm

re: #683 FrogMarch

Are you insane? and you call yourself a Hillary Democrat. No other president in recent history has supported the Palis more the Bill Clinton. (not counting Carter) No-one glad-handed Arafat more than Bill Clinton - you know - Hillary's husband.

For the record, Israel was Clinton's huge failing. Fortunately, his grave mistake didn't really do her any harm and ironically, it was Arafat who saved the Jews. If he hadn't walked out of those meetings, we'd be in big shit now (if Israel would be there at all).

710 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:52:42pm

re: #704 Hard Right

If Bill was your Reagan your party has NO standards. McCain is not quite a liberal, but has some rather liberal positions on critical issues. Now, a liberal saying they don't think McCain is a liberal is like Olberman calling Ted Kennedy a centrist.

Fixed. BTW, 26 years as an Arizonan.

711 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:53:37pm

re: #574 godfrey

Would Palin be fit to be CinC?

Not the right question.

Would she be fitter to be CinC than Obama?

Definitely yes.

godfrey -

Gov. Palin IS the CinC of the Alaska National Guard - AND her son ships off to Iraq on 9/1/2008. Bet that "Mooseburger Sarah" knows a thing or three about the Military.

-S-

712 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:53:59pm

re: #684 godfrey

Good question about likely Secs of State. Would Lieberman be good there? I'd like to see Bolton run around State with a blowtorch, just to clean it up, but then we'd need someone longer-term in there. Lugar?

Leiberman, hmmm... I would be happy with that. I'm not a Bolton fan. I know you guys are. Lugar I don't know...

713 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:56:14pm

re: #711 Dr. Shalit

Dr. S, thanks for that. You're right.

714 sheepdog  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:57:17pm

Gov.poulin's got god to help her through , Kos kids have hate and lots of It...good luck with that hate thing Markos and crew...Godless Idiots !

715 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 6:58:48pm

re: #705 docremulac

According to the Protocols of Soros, belief in spiritual things is a thoughtcrime. Belief in BO's illusory peaceable kingdom, however? Another thing entirely, my friend.

716 NTropy  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:00:54pm

re: #693 marjoriemoon

I don't know if we're technically in a recession, but I know too many people are hurting and that is a reality. At the base, I think Dems have better domestic policies and we can argue them until the cows come home. I also don't think Obama is hard left. Kucinch is hard left. I would have preferred Hillary.

Dems have better domestic policies? I know it's not liked but we still have overseas military responsibilities. I know there has been a timetable bandied about by both the Bush administration and the Iraqis of sometime in 2011 for withdrawal of our troops. Obama wants it to be sooner. We still have responsibilities in Afghanistan. Combine that inheritance with the massive - MASSIVE - increase in governmental handouts proposed by Obama and I can't imagine how you can say the Dems have better domestic policies. Drastically increased taxes and disincentives for investment do not make for better domestic policy.

Obama is indeed hard left. The Washington Post has him as the #1 most liberal in 2006. Joe Biden was #3. As for Kucinich, well he's just plain Mad.

717 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:00:55pm

re: #686 vagabond trader

How do you reconcile the Obama sitting in a church for nearly two decades listening to a preacher who referred to Israel as "that dirty word?" A preacher who reveres the Jew hating racist Louis Farrakhan.

It's why he makes me uncomfortable, to say the least. Over the top pissed to say the most! But we don't elect Kings. We have a Congress and I can't see them putting Israel in harm's way, be it a Dem or Rep majority.

You know Nixon was an anti-Semite and there has been no greater friend to Israel since... putting our country or Israel's concerns above your own personal agenda is what we need as a President. So it's hard to say how much of Wright's influence will effect him. Like I say, it is troubling.

718 kansas  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:01:05pm

Rove you magnificent bastard!

719 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:01:25pm

re: #647 marjoriemoon

what I mean by that, JFK really wasn't such a great president policy-wise, but his greatest triumphs was in uniting the country at a time when we were torn into shreds. I know that statement makes you all very unhappy and you think I'm crazed to say it, but I see it happening. If Obama can pick a good cabinet, we may have a chance. And whether you all agree or not, the country is suffering now economically.

Then again, he may be another Carter... (God forbid) I can't say, but it's what I see.

I won't call you any names as others have done. I challenge your historical references as there is no indication that the country was in shreds in 1960 as opposed to 1970 after LBJ's great society.
Yes, JFK was a great speaker. He was very eloquent. But had he lived, I do not know if he would have been re-elected.

I agree with you on the point regarding Obama and his cabinet, but he, as POTUS sets the agenda. He can be a hands-off manager like Bush (bad) or a micro-manager like Carter and Clinton (also bad). The question for both Obama and McCain is whether they will listen to other wise counsel-as well as the better angels of their nature.

I disagree with you assessment regarding our current economy. It is in a downturn, to be sure, but I remember 1973, 1979, 1991 and 1999. I grew up with stories from my Dad and Grandpa from the 1930--and we are no where near that. The question is what do we NEED to do. Keep in mind that there are some historians who now think that FDR deepened the Depression with his policies. Wisdom and restraint are needed.

720 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:01:53pm

re: #713 godfrey

Dr. S, thanks for that. You're right.

Godfrey -

Let's go one more round - This is the Political version of "My Fair Lady" - in which Prof. McCain ('iggins) has found an EXTREMELY TALENTED Ms. Dolittle (Palin). The Net Result might well be the American "Lady Thatcher."
'Nuff said?

-S-

721 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:02:29pm

re: #689 godfrey

So let's play Pick the Cabinets, then.

I'll go with Leiberman! But Obama won't pick him. Maybe McCain.

I'm thinking Bill may get a spot, but I don't know where. Al Gore is going into some environmental spot I would think.

722 kansas  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:03:00pm
re: #693 marjoriemoon

I don't know if we're technically in a recession, but I know too many people are hurting and that is a reality. At the base, I think Dems have better domestic policies and we can argue them until the cows come home. I also don't think Obama is hard left. Kucinch is hard left. I would have preferred Hillary.

Obviously with all the dough the dems spent on fireworks and parking jet airplanes we are not even close to a recession. Give me a break.

723 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:03:15pm

re: #709 marjoriemoon

Can't answer the "Jewish questions" I posed. You're no Zionist,and pushing fifty is waaay too old to be such a silly twit.

724 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:04:58pm

re: #721 marjoriemoon

Al Gore is going into some environmental spot I would think.

Isn't there an active volcano on Hawaii? Can't we put him there? It might make the gods happy.

725 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:05:04pm

re: #717 marjoriemoon

Obfuscating bullshit. You support an anti semite, get it?

726 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:05:16pm

re: #691 NTropy

Well, I'll let it drop since you've taken it in the shorts from a number of others. I guess if it comforts you then you should continue clinging to the illusion. The fact that you're hanging out here and not with the Kossacks tells me there's something going on besides fever dreams.

I'm glad to have impressed you :) Don't get me wrong. I'm not jumping for joy over here. The beginning of this argument was about the Palin pick and from what I observe, she's not going to win over the fence sitters in the least. And not the Dems. I thought Romney would have been better for ya'll.

727 Purple Prose  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:06:17pm

If they felt now threat, they'd be complacent and sitting on their butts, at least for a news cycle. The vociferous response is a sign of their own insecurity. They know that despite all the "historical indicators" and their own belief that this is a historical progressive moment, their agenda and their candidate are in trouble. They are insecure. Instead of a blowout victory, and the inevitable Hegelian or Marxian march of history toward another progressive dysutopia, they see a very close election. In that, they are at least behaving rationally. And so the immediate rabid dog attacks.

728 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:06:18pm

re: #708 baxtrice

Oh and marjorie, thanks for answering my question, I see that you are being deluged with them and are trying very hard to get to all of them. My biggest vice is my lack of patience.

729 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:06:33pm

re: #726 marjoriemoon

I'm glad to have impressed you :) Don't get me wrong. I'm not jumping for joy over here. The beginning of this argument was about the Palin pick and from what I observe, she's not going to win over the fence sitters in the least. And not the Dems. I thought Romney would have been better for ya'll.

Marjorie, you shouldn't be all that encouraged. Some of us remember you from past visits. Maybe you should go peddle your tales over at KOS.

730 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:07:29pm

re: #721 marjoriemoon

I'll go with Leiberman! But Obama won't pick him. Maybe McCain.

I'm thinking Bill may get a spot, but I don't know where. Al Gore is going into some environmental spot I would think.

"ma.moon" -

As I voted for him in 2000, I believe I am allowed to have an opinion of the former Vice-President. or what it is worth (shades of Buffalo Springfield) - I believe former VP Gore has gone over to the "Dark Side."
Discussion?

-S-

731 kansas  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:07:45pm

re: #726 marjoriemoon

I'm glad to have impressed you :) Don't get me wrong. I'm not jumping for joy over here. The beginning of this argument was about the Palin pick and from what I observe, she's not going to win over the fence sitters in the least. And not the Dems. I thought Romney would have been better for ya'll.


Romney would have been better for you all. Me thinks thats why the gnashing of teeth from the left, but thanks for the hints anyway. Karl Rove is grinning ear to ear every time Mr. No Experience Messiah challenges Palin's experience. This is really too funny.

732 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:07:47pm

re: #718 kansas

Rove you magnificent bastard!

I wanna give that +10 updings!

LOL

733 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:07:47pm

re: #729 galloping granny

Why are some kissing up to the troll? It's undignified.

734 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:08:00pm

re: #720 Dr. Shalit

Yep. 'Nuff said. I'd welcome it.

Of course, I welcomed Rice, and now I'm not at all happy with the new way she talks. She walked out on me.

Palin is very capable. What I like is her grit, and it's not fake. Those first security briefings are going to feel like blows to the stomach. I'm sure she can handle it.

Obama won't -- he'll be like the kid in the foxhole who freezes.

735 jwb7605  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:08:44pm

re: #603 godfrey

Has Obama been a mayor or ever shot a rifle?

Do you suppose drive-bys would count?

736 kansas  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:09:19pm

re: #735 jwb7605

Do you suppose drive-bys would count?


No, you have to aim for it to count.

737 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:09:28pm

re: #726 marjoriemoon

I'm glad to have impressed you :) Don't get me wrong. I'm not jumping for joy over here. The beginning of this argument was about the Palin pick and from what I observe, she's not going to win over the fence sitters in the least. And not the Dems. I thought Romney would have been better for ya'll.

You're missing the point of why she was picked. Today, Jim Dobson said he would vote for McCain. She is there to shore up the base first. She is pro life, pro gun and fiscally conservative. Thats is reason #1 why she was picked. She is also there to appeal to the PUMAs, especially in PA and OH where Hillary beat BHO by double-digits.

Romney would NOT have shore up the base. Many of the evangelicals had serious qualms about a Mormon and he did not resonate with the real fiscal conservatives.

738 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:09:30pm

re: #733 vagabond trader

Why are some kissing up to the troll? It's undignified.

Not kissing up, just being civilized. Something that has been sorely lacking for too long in our society.

739 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:10:16pm

Marjoriemoon isn't a troll. Marj, I think the more the fence-sitters see Sarah Palin, the more they'll be convinced she's the stuff.

740 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:10:17pm

re: #733 vagabond trader

Why are some kissing up to the troll? It's undignified.

We musn't ever let it be said that Lizards are unwelcoming or impolite. :)

741 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:11:04pm

re: #738 baxtrice

Not kissing up, just being civilized. Something that has been sorely lacking for too long in our society.

Here here. What is taking place is a civilized discussion and an exchange of ideas. This is a chance and a place for both sides to learn from one another.

742 Emery Calame  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:11:10pm

Does this mean she works for a race of hiveminded xenophobic shapeshifters who rule the Gamma Quadrant of the Milkyway galaxy?

Does Avery Brooks know about this?

Why would the prophets of Bajor let her come through the wormhole?

743 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:11:49pm

re: #731 kansas

Romney would have been better for you all. Me thinks thats why the gnashing of teeth from the left, but thanks for the hints anyway. Karl Rove is grinning ear to ear every time Mr. No Experience Messiah challenges Palin's experience. This is really too funny.

KS -

For ALL US'UNS ALL. Thankfully, MITT appears to be a team player, and a graceful one at that.

-S

744 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:11:55pm

Sarah "Barracuda" Palin -- VP

745 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:12:02pm
re: #603 godfrey

Has Obama been a mayor or ever shot a rifle?

No, but he has ridden a bike with a flat tire!

746 kansas  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:12:07pm

re: #738 baxtrice

Not kissing up, just being civilized. Something that has been sorely lacking for too long in our society.

Politics ain't beanbag, and civilized gets you beat in the elections, but you are welcome to be nice.

747 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:13:06pm

re: #742 Emery Calame


Resistance is futile. But it can be fun and make the experience more...I'm sharing too much again, aren't I?

748 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:13:53pm

re: #743 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

-S- a/k/a - A ROMNEY 2008 RAMBLER.

749 kansas  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:14:15pm

re: #743 Dr. Shalit

KS -

For ALL US'UNS ALL. Thankfully, MITT appears to be a team player, and a graceful one at that.

-S


I agree that Mitt is a team player and graceful. I like him. He would be great President, IMO. I just don't think at this time the MSM would allow him to be elected. I saw the coverage he got in the primary. I could be wrong.

750 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:14:51pm

re: #743 Dr. Shalit

KS -

For ALL US'UNS ALL. Thankfully, MITT appears to be a team player, and a graceful one at that.

-S

Both Romney and Pawlenty were playing along with Mac, helping to deflect suspicion about Mac's VP pick until the last minute. Mitt went to the airport with a suitcase. Pawlenty cancelled all his appearances. And for some hours early this morning there were two different web pages up - one announcing Romney as the VP pick and the other announcing Pawlenty.

Mitt is going to make a fantastic Secretary of Commerce.

751 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:14:54pm

re: #746 kansas

Politics ain't beanbag, and civilized gets you beat in the elections, but you are welcome to be nice.


And that is why we are so damned divided on foreign policy. We have to educate the other side--not annihilate them.

752 knockominihan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:15:07pm

re: #696 Spirit93

As ABC News put it (I'm paraphrasing):

"Now, no matter who wins, this will be a historic elections because it means either an African American or a women elected to the executive office of the US"

McCain just stole Obama's thunder.

A day after the Dem convention and the show is Palin, Palin, Palin.
I sampled the late breakin news page at Dem Underground and headlines about Palin outnumber headlines about Biden and/or Obama 2:1.

753 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:15:24pm

re: #746 kansas

Politics ain't beanbag, and civilized gets you beat in the elections, but you are welcome to be nice.

There's a time for civility and a time for war. This is not a time beating her over the head. We may disagree with her, but she might come around. It's worth a shot, wouldn't you agree, if it gets McCain another vote and keeps the socialism/marxism at bay?

754 kansas  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:16:39pm

re: #751 calcajun

And that is why we are so damned divided on foreign policy. We have to educate the other side--not annihilate them.


Well, good luck with educating the other side. Let me know how the troofers do with the actual truth.

755 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:17:26pm

re: #750 galloping granny

Mitt is going to make a fantastic Secretary of Commerce.

I think we have a winner.

756 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:17:36pm

re: #735 jwb7605

re: #738 baxtrice

re: #740 galloping granny

Please,being a Jew and Zionist I have no patience for house Jews.Shame upon any Jew who supports the Obama. No one but Charles is going to tell me how I may express my disdain, and I do not appreciate being lectured to about imaginary breaches in etiquette.

757 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:17:52pm

re: #694 galloping granny

Hey granny. It's getting late and I'm getting sleepy to address everything you said. There's been no proof whatsoever that either Barack or Michelle benefited from affirmative action. If you have proof that they have, please post. I'd like to see it.

Folks here think he's a shmuck who has sailed along on his "blackness" and I find that so incredibly offensive, that I've refrained from going there for the last few weeks. A Harvard/Columbian grad and a constitutional lawyer to boot. I've worked in law firms for almost 30 years and I've met just one constitutional lawyer. You have to be quite brilliant for such a study. Compare to McCain who came in, what 894 out of a class of 899 or some such? To me smarts matter.

Supporting Hillary, I didn't pay much attention to Obama's speeches until quite recently and as I have, I've seen a different message than you. I loved the Dem Convention even tho much of it was pie in the sky and I rolled my eyes quite a bit. But overall, it energized me. I'm still a Dem, did I mention? :)

I could be dead wrong... but I think Obama is going to run with it.

758 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:18:02pm

re: #752 knockominihan

A day after the Dem convention and the show is Palin, Palin, Palin.
I sampled the late breakin news page at Dem Underground and headlines about Palin outnumber headlines about Biden and/or Obama 2:1.

The show as been McCain's VP since very early this morning - about 8 east coast time. Someone posted some hours back that Palin and any possible configuration were the top searches on Google. As a matter of fact, McCain's campaign, VP and Palin made up about half of the top 100 searches.

/did somebody give a speech last night?

759 kansas  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:19:01pm

re: #753 baxtrice

There's a time for civility and a time for war. This is not a time beating her over the head. We may disagree with her, but she might come around. It's worth a shot, wouldn't you agree, if it gets McCain another vote and keeps the socialism/marxism at bay?


Well, I hope I'm not beating her over the head, but I'm not sure Democrats come here to be educated.

760 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:19:07pm

re: #745 reine.de.tout

No, but he has ridden a bike with a flat tire!

Queenie -

About as good as staying in a Holiday Inn, last night. By the way, I have SHOT everything from a .22 to a 50 "caliber" machine gun. I prefer the 30.06 hunting rifle.

-S-

761 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:19:38pm

re: #756 vagabond trader

re: #738 baxtrice

re: #740 galloping granny

Please,being a Jew and Zionist I have no patience for house Jews.Shame upon any Jew who supports the Obama. No one but Charles is going to tell me how I may express my disdain, and I do not appreciate being lectured to about imaginary breaches in etiquette.

Vagabond, I think that you have misread me and possibly all of us. I was not accusing you of anything. I accepted your question at face value and told you exactly why I have not been trying to grind Marjoriemoon into the dust.

762 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:19:54pm

re: #695 NTropy

Nahh - Marjorie seems nice, just mistaken. Why be antagonistic? In the six years I've been commenting here I've seen way WAY worse than Marjoriemoon.

LOL Political jungle fever... Yaaa baby!

763 johnnyreb  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:19:57pm

What the heck does this mean exactly? Sounds alot like someone trying to sound intelligent but not making sense:

"There are quite a number of extremely troubling links between Sarah Palin and neopentecostal dominionists--enough that, in truth, she may be ultimately as much of a "dream candidate" for the dominionist movement as Mike Huckabee was. Even worse, she's running in a manner that has been frighteningly successful for dominionist groups since the early 80's--specifically, as a "stealth candidate"."

764 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:21:07pm

re: #696 Spirit93

As ABC News put it (I'm paraphrasing):

"Now, no matter who wins, this will be a historic elections because it means either an African American or a women elected to the executive office of the US"

McCain just stole Obama's thunder.

Ya know, I didn't think about it, but that's a fact! But you guys were just jealous we were getting all the attention ;) That's the ticket!

765 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:21:13pm

re: #750 galloping granny

GG -

Sec. Treasury or Commerce. That is all.

-S-

766 godfrey  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:21:15pm

POTUS Cabinet list, for ref:

State
Treasury
Defense
Attorney General
Interior
Agriculture
Commerce
Labor
HHS
HUD
Transportation
Energy
Education
Veterans
Homeland Security

VP
Chief of Staff
EPA
OMB
Drugs
Trade Rep

Fed
Social Security
National Intelligence

767 gunjam  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:21:28pm

re: #29 Charles

Dominionism is real enough, but the evidence given in this Kos Kid's post that Palin follows that line is slim to nonexistent. I looked into some of it, and found several distortions, including the same 'creationist' distortion I posted about earlier.

It sounds to me as though one could simply substitute the term "evangelical protestant" for "dominionist" as described in the wikipedia article to which you linked.

As an evangelical protestant, I can tell you that this is a distortion and a smear, and it is obviously so intended (as used by the "Dark Christian" types, anyway).

Frankly, we evangelicals pray for our leaders (even non-Christian ones), and we tend to vote for candidates who (at least promise to) support socially conservative, economically conservative, and politically conservative agendas.

We yearn to see God-fearing folks in office. Most of us, however, are alive to the fact that being a Christian does not automatically mean that an individual will necessarily be a better mayor, senator, what have you. While most of us -- in this post 9/11 world -- would likely not go quite as far as Martin Luther (the German Reformer) when he said, "Better a wise Turk (i.e., Muslim) than a foolish Christian [for king]," most of us probably would say "Better a wise Jew/Mormon/Roman Catholic than a foolish Christian." (Point of fact: I am glad Huckabee is not the Republican nominee, though I hardly hate the man.)

The folks at Dark Christian are aggressively pagan and anti-Christian. They apparently deny or resent the Christian heritage and roots that have been part and parcel of the American historical tradition: Ever seen the painting of George Washington praying on bended knee in the snow during the Revolutionary War (Note: no prayer rug or bowing to Mecca)? That would doubtless be seen by the Dark Christian types as dangerous "dominionist" propaganda: Probably why we don't see that painting as much as we used to.

I will admit that there are better and worse members of the wide-ranging grouping of evangelicals and charismatics. I for one cannot stomach the pseudo-healer Benny Hinns or the Evangelical "Light" Joel Osteens. However, I highly doubt that these folks -- who are, in truth, theological lightweights -- pose any real threat to the future of the American political landscape.

The left is very good at assigning "phobic" type labels to those who oppose them: "Homophobic," "Xenophobic," etc.

Whether or not such terms are appropriate or not, I do think that it is appropriate to describe the "Dark Christian" types as "christophobic" (the term is hardly original with me).

The Assemblies of God are, as a rule, far removed theologically from the Reformed Presbyterian circles that produced Rushdoony and his Theonomist school of thought. One is Arminian, the other Calvinist. The one is Dispensational, the other A-, or Post-Millennial. One believes that God will restore the Jews/Israel to prominence. The other believes that the Church has replaced Israel. But the folks in both groups do believe in the LORD Jesus Christ and look forward to his soon return.

The true theonomists (a small minority within Evangelicalism) would seek to codify the 631 commands of the Pentateuch as the law of the land. Most AoG types would not.

I am neither a Presbyterian nor an AoG type, but have known fine folks from both groups.

768 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:21:44pm
769 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:21:45pm

re: #751 calcajun

And that is why we are so damned divided on foreign policy. We have to educate the other side--not annihilate them.

No. We are divided because that "other side" is out of touch with reality. They live in a fantasy world and most of them are inacapable of facing reality.
Recall that the dems have deliberately tried to make us lose the war on terror, tried to cause a recession with blatant lies, and have crippled our oil industry. All of that was done just so they could get into power and further push America towards socialism.
When someone is trying to destroy you, you don't try to educate them. You fight back. You DO annihilate them.

770 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:23:08pm

re: #761 galloping granny

I repeat, I am a Jew and any Jew who drinks the Obama koolaid is not going to get petted by me.Goodnite,enjoy the enlightening discussion.

771 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:23:12pm

re: #759 kansas

Well, I hope I'm not beating her over the head, but I'm not sure Democrats come here to be educated.

No, most of them come here to mock us and try to start fights and incite flame wars. I understand your line of thought and I initially branded her a troll as well, but after reading a few posts of hers, it seemed that she could be reasoned with. OR I could be just too nice. (Which I have many times in my life)

We must always be vigilant, evil lurks and will not be stopped whether we want to believe it or not.

772 kansas  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:23:17pm

Excellent. Kansas out.

773 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:23:22pm

re: #754 kansas

Well, good luck with educating the other side. Let me know how the troofers do with the actual truth.

Ad hominen attacks aren't the answer. Keep countering their stupidity with the real truth. Don't let the "big lie" fester.

774 jwb7605  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:23:46pm

re: #750 galloping granny

Both Romney and Pawlenty were playing along with Mac, helping to deflect suspicion about Mac's VP pick until the last minute. Mitt went to the airport with a suitcase. Pawlenty cancelled all his appearances. And for some hours early this morning there were two different web pages up - one announcing Romney as the VP pick and the other announcing Pawlenty.

Mitt is going to make a fantastic Secretary of Commerce.

Rove is, for sure, a magnificent bastard.

775 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:23:50pm

re: #756 vagabond trader

re: #738 baxtrice

re: #740 galloping granny

Please,being a Jew and Zionist I have no patience for house Jews.Shame upon any Jew who supports the Obama. No one but Charles is going to tell me how I may express my disdain, and I do not appreciate being lectured to about imaginary breaches in etiquette.

I'm sorry, is this sarcasm, or have we offended you?

776 mfarmer1  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:24:41pm

I've never heard of the "Dominionist" movement, except the Star Trek version already mentioned here several times.

If the Daily Kos types really think they're going to scare the nation into thinking this woman wants to install a Biblical government (translation: Christian "Shari'a" law) they will soon find themselves grasping for another take on Governor Palin.

This atheist is 100% behind this pick.

777 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:24:58pm

re: #762 marjoriemoon

"mm" -

When YOU grow up - in a year or two or three - You'll be happy as can be -
WHEN YOU GROW UP!

-S-

778 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:25:06pm

re: #770 vagabond trader

I repeat, I am a Jew and any Jew who drinks the Obama koolaid is not going to get petted by me.Goodnite,enjoy the enlightening discussion.

I most certainly do not drink the Obama kool-aid and was just trying to be civilized. Nothing more.

779 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:25:47pm

re: #699 NTropy

ACK! Blasphemy! Bill got lucky with a totally unforeseen explosion of the internet. He was a miserable failure on foreign policy. Comparing Clinton to Reagan is like comparing poop to platinum.

Did ya watch the convention? He could have stood there for 3 days being cheered and that's from both sides, the Obama and Hillary side, and that's even after the traitors threw him under the bus over this election. In reality, we love him like you love Reagan.

I met him in 2004. Well I shook his hand at a convention. The man is magnetic.

And yes, I agree his foreign policy wasn't good.

780 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:27:22pm

re: #769 Hard Right

Some-not all. Many are old hard line Dems in the mold of Scoop Jackson et al. I have little patience for the post 72 Dems and they need to be run out of the party. There is a new wave that came in in 2006 who are more centrist and for who politics end at the water's edge --as it should. Those are the ones with whom we can reason. The socialists from 72 on are the ones that need to be destroyed. You look at it like a war. I look at it like removing a cancer on the body politic.

781 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:28:27pm

re: #773 calcajun

Ad hominen attacks aren't the answer. Keep countering their stupidity with the real truth. Don't let the "big lie" fester.

They don't care about the truth. Their entire belief system is based on denial of reality and the construction of a fantasy world that makes them feel good about themselves/alleviates their fears.
If you want to try and "save" them, feel free. Don't think tell us to try with someone who thinks the 2000 election was stolen and that bill klinton was their version of Reagan.

782 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:28:38pm
783 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:28:42pm

re: #778 baxtrice

Wasn't referring to you, but to the Obamaton who claims to be a Zionist.The one who has roped you into its "reasonable" rubbish heap. I will never be civil to the enemy within,never.

784 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:29:14pm

re: #757 marjoriemoon

Hey granny. It's getting late and I'm getting sleepy to address everything you said. There's been no proof whatsoever that either Barack or Michelle benefited from affirmative action. If you have proof that they have, please post. I'd like to see it.

Michelle Obama has readily admitted that she benefited from affirmative action in that she was admitted to an Ivy League school based on her brother's status as an athelete (what Ivy's call a "legacy") rather than her own academic record. She did very poorly on her SATs.

Further, virtually all blacks and American Indians admitted to any of the Ivies during the 70s and early 80s were there almost solely because of affirmative action. The history is easy enough to find if you are interested.

Folks here think he's a shmuck who has sailed along on his "blackness" and I find that so incredibly offensive, that I've refrained from going there for the last few weeks. A Harvard/Columbian grad and a constitutional lawyer to boot. I've worked in law firms for almost 30 years and I've met just one constitutional lawyer. You have to be quite brilliant for such a study. Compare to McCain who came in, what 894 out of a class of 899 or some such? To me smarts matter.

Harvard does not impress me in the least. Obama has never practiced constitutional law, nor does he hold any special accreditation in constitutional law. He is not certified to argue in front of the Supremes and has in reality spent little time in actual practice of law. He has a track record of publications that equals just exactly ZERO. And that includes cases he has argued that have made the law books.

If you are so hot and heavy on smarts, do remember that the very hardest school of higher education to get into in the country, one of if not the most exclusive in the world, is the United States Naval Academy. Far and away more exclusive than Harvard. Nobody who gets out the door of the Naval Academy is even remotely close to "not smart." Most of them fully qualify as brilliant - especially those to whom we intrust multimillion dollar aircraft.

Supporting Hillary, I didn't pay much attention to Obama's speeches until quite recently and as I have, I've seen a different message than you. I loved the Dem Convention even tho much of it was pie in the sky and I rolled my eyes quite a bit. But overall, it energized me. I'm still a Dem, did I mention? :)

I could be dead wrong... but I think Obama is going to run with it.

There is a huge difference between show & substance. Obama is nothing but smoke and mirrors, a stuffed suit that believes his own hype.

785 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:29:33pm

re: #702 baxtrice

Marjoriemoon, since your not answering my question, I just want to impart some wisdom on you::

In the midst of the Clinton Years and the "greatest economical policies EVAH" as referenced by our Media and by the Democrats, my family struggled. STRUGGLED. We went hungry, we barely had money to pay our bills, everything was handed down through the family and my parents worked several jobs. This all started because my father lost his job and my mother had to go back to work (she was a stay at home mother). They both worked 80 hours a week to pay for everything and never complained. I and my sister were latchkey children. My father tried to get unemployment and we were told that he MADE TOO MUCH MONEY (we barely scraped by).

The moral of the story is: People fall on hard times no matter what.

We made it and finally climbed out of the debt we were in, and we did it without government help.

Many more people suffered (and still suffer) under trickle-down economics.

From 1993-2000, 22.2 million new jobs were created, the most jobs ever created under a single administration. An average of 248,000 jobs per month, compared to 52,000/month under Bush I and 167,000/month under Reagan.

In 1992, the Federal budget deficit was $290 billion, the largest deficit in our history. In 2000, there was a surplus of approximately $230 billion.

The unemployment and inflation rate fell to the lowest in 30 years.

We had the highest home ownership in the country's history.

Not too shabby.

786 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:30:10pm

re: #780 calcajun

Some-not all. Many are old hard line Dems in the mold of Scoop Jackson et al. I have little patience for the post 72 Dems and they need to be run out of the party. There is a new wave that came in in 2006 who are more centrist and for who politics end at the water's edge --as it should. Those are the ones with whom we can reason. The socialists from 72 on are the ones that need to be destroyed. You look at it like a war. I look at it like removing a cancer on the body politic.

Wish I'd seen this before my last post. I agree with you. +1

787 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:30:30pm

re: #783 vagabond trader

Wasn't referring to you, but to the Obamaton who claims to be a Zionist.The one who has roped you into its "reasonable" rubbish heap. I will never be civil to the enemy within,never.

Ahh, now I understand.

788 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:30:36pm

re: #765 Dr. Shalit

GG -

Sec. Treasury or Commerce. That is all.

-S-

Rommey is a rain maker. He would be sorely wasted counting beans at Treasury.

789 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:31:12pm

re: #781 Hard Right

I agree. The means is to keep slapping them in the face with the truth. Answer the charges when they are made. They use the "big lie". We keep refuting it. It's the same for Holocaust deniers--keep hitting them with the incontrovertible forensic evidence.

790 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:31:29pm

re: #779 marjoriemoon

Did ya watch the convention? He could have stood there for 3 days being cheered and that's from both sides, the Obama and Hillary side, and that's even after the traitors threw him under the bus over this election. In reality, we love him like you love Reagan.

I met him in 2004. Well I shook his hand at a convention. The man is magnetic.

And yes, I agree his foreign policy wasn't good.

"mm" -

PUH - LEEZE -

Met Jimmy Carter in 1976 - Defended Him to JIMMY BRESLIN on inauguration day, 1977 in a DC Cafeteria. Bottom Line - I WAS WRONG, JIMMY BRESLIN was right. I accept being wrong. Will you?

-S-

791 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:32:46pm

re: #786 Hard Right

Thanks, pal. As long as we keep talking, the answer is always in sight.

792 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:32:54pm

re: #785 marjoriemoon

Many more people suffered (and still suffer) under trickle-down economics.

From 1993-2000, 22.2 million new jobs were created, the most jobs ever created under a single administration. An average of 248,000 jobs per month, compared to 52,000/month under Bush I and 167,000/month under Reagan.

In 1992, the Federal budget deficit was $290 billion, the largest deficit in our history. In 2000, there was a surplus of approximately $230 billion.

The unemployment and inflation rate fell to the lowest in 30 years.

We had the highest home ownership in the country's history.

Not too shabby.

Aaaa Swing and a Miss! I think you missed my point.

793 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:33:02pm

re: #788 galloping granny

"gg" -

In his time - REMEMBER MELLON.

-S-

794 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:34:53pm

re: #785 marjoriemoon

Many more people suffered (and still suffer) under trickle-down economics.

From 1993-2000, 22.2 million new jobs were created, the most jobs ever created under a single administration. An average of 248,000 jobs per month, compared to 52,000/month under Bush I and 167,000/month under Reagan.

In 1992, the Federal budget deficit was $290 billion, the largest deficit in our history. In 2000, there was a surplus of approximately $230 billion.

The unemployment and inflation rate fell to the lowest in 30 years.

We had the highest home ownership in the country's history.

Not too shabby.

1) klinton had nothing to do with the successful economy. The internet boom did.

2) The surplus was thanks to the Republican controlled congress--in spite of klinton's efforts to stop them.

3) The unemployment rate under Bush has been as good or better than under klinton.

4) The mortgage crisis can be laid directly at the feet of the dems and their interference in the free market.

5) When klinton left office he handed Bush an economy in recession

6) klinton is responsible for 9/11

Yeah, some legacy. (roll eyes) Yup, you're just another moonbat.

795 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:35:59pm
796 wkett  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:36:25pm

Creationism and Kos kids aside, if something were to happen to McCain, would Palin be fit to be Commander in Chief?

With 2 times the experience of Odumma your point is we need to elect Mcain

797 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:36:42pm

re: #708 baxtrice

The Maverick: supported Cap & Trade.
- sort of buys into Global Warming/Climate Change.
- soft on illegal immigration.. and much much more!

If I go on, I may upset the others. Read up my friend. Knowledge is power. Educated thyself instead of just listening to the tired old mainstream media. It will knock your socks off!

hehe You REALLY don't want my opinion on global warming and illegal immigration. Did I mention I'm a Dem? :) I'd like a stronger position on global warming but I think I agree with him on immigration, from what I recall.

I don't talk about these things here because it seems rather pointless. I'm not going to convince anyone. I came here originally oh so many years ago because Charles loves Israel and I went from despising Republicans to understanding your lot and realizing most of you (there are some far flung folks) are just like us. We want the same things in life, just have different ideas on how to get them.

798 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:37:18pm

re: #779 marjoriemoon

Did ya watch the convention? He could have stood there for 3 days being cheered and that's from both sides, the Obama and Hillary side, and that's even after the traitors threw him under the bus over this election. In reality, we love him like you love Reagan.

I met him in 2004. Well I shook his hand at a convention. The man is magnetic.

And yes, I agree his foreign policy wasn't good.

Obama's foreign policy is nonexistent because he has no understanding of history and no experience in foreign affairs or diplomacy.


Obama's economic plan is a disaster because he has no understanding of business or economics.

Obama's judgment is lousy because he has no firm principles or moral foundation to stand on.

Magnetism, narcissism and the ability to get people to cheer for you are not qualifications for the single most responsible job in the world.

799 LeonidasOfSparta  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:37:54pm

re: #428 least

you are spot-on. But their blast of hate and animosity is devoid of any truth-- they will find themselves hoisted upon their own petard.

I was going to add to your statement: contrast the difference between Palin choosing life for her child and Obama's statement about his daughters' rights to choose abortion by saying "should they be punished with a baby?"

800 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:38:34pm

re: #796 wkett

Creationism and Kos kids aside, if something were to happen to McCain, would Palin be fit to be Commander in Chief?

With 2 times the experience of Odumma your point is we need to elect Mcain

I'd vote for her for president too. Just think, if McCain does two terms or retires after one, she would be the most likely presidential candidate on deck.

801 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:38:52pm
802 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:38:59pm

re: #785 marjoriemoon

"mm" -

Two words to you that will be like "KRYPTONITE" - ELIAN GONZALEZ! When that child was seized - and returned to CUBA the election of 2000 was lost. All 'y'all just might say that GWB got his JOB through "GRANMA.CU"

-S-

803 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:40:13pm

re: #779 marjoriemoon

In reality, we love him like you love Reagan.

IThe man is magnetic.

And yes, I agree his foreign policy wasn't good.

Yes, but Reagan had executive experience by 1980.

Here's my biggest beef with Obama. McCain is not a party hack. Neither is Palin. Obama graduated from law school and moved to a locale where he could insinuate himself into the local political structure. He has never gone against the party or taken a position contrary to that held by his constituents. He has never spoken his own mind- he has towed the party line. McCain is like Churchill in that he has bucked the party --though he has not crossed over like WSC. Obama has been party loyalty incarnate--is that a real indicia of "Change" or business as usual?

804 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:41:21pm

Well ladies and gentlemen. I am off to bed. I've got class tomorrow. (evil saturday class!)

Be Good!

805 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:42:17pm

re: #802 Dr. Shalit

"mm" -

Two words to you that will be like "KRYPTONITE" - ELIAN GONZALEZ! When that child was seized - and returned to CUBA the election of 2000 was lost. All 'y'all just might say that GWB got his JOB through "GRANMA.CU"

-S-

Waco. And a few other places.

806 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:42:53pm

re: #803 calcajun

Yes, but Reagan had executive experience by 1980.

Here's my biggest beef with Obama. McCain is not a party hack. Neither is Palin. Obama graduated from law school and moved to a locale where he could insinuate himself into the local political structure. He has never gone against the party or taken a position contrary to that held by his constituents. He has never spoken his own mind- he has towed the party line. McCain is like Churchill in that he has bucked the party --though he has not crossed over like WSC. Obama has been party loyalty incarnate--is that a real indicia of "Change" or business as usual?

He has also never held a real job. All he has known is the insulated world of public service and those who are as detatched from reality as he is.

807 LeonidasOfSparta  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:44:46pm

re: #798 galloping granny

YES GG you are so right. Remember the old bromide, "he who stands for nothing is liable to fall for everything."

Well, B Nero Obama, stands only for himself and his own ego. He is driven by a desire for power, not a desire to act on principle-- indeed he has no sense of what is principled, what is true, what is right. His multi-culti mindset is all about moral equivalence and moral relativity.

Sorry, but that's no basis from which to make ONE vital decision. I frankly cannot imagine how he makes decisions on a daily basis...and it appears that the decisions he makes about friends and allies is as frightful as his overall lack of understanding.

He's someone who covers their eyes from the light of the sun and tries to convince everyone else that it's night.

808 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:45:31pm

re: #806 Hard Right

Can you say "arugula"?

809 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:46:20pm

re: #716 NTropy

Dems have better domestic policies? I know it's not liked but we still have overseas military responsibilities. I know there has been a timetable bandied about by both the Bush administration and the Iraqis of sometime in 2011 for withdrawal of our troops. Obama wants it to be sooner. We still have responsibilities in Afghanistan. Combine that inheritance with the massive - MASSIVE - increase in governmental handouts proposed by Obama and I can't imagine how you can say the Dems have better domestic policies. Drastically increased taxes and disincentives for investment do not make for better domestic policy.

Obama is indeed hard left. The Washington Post has him as the #1 most liberal in 2006. Joe Biden was #3. As for Kucinich, well he's just plain Mad.

Taxes, welfare, this is why I'm a Dem. Love me or hate me.

The rich would pay more under Obama's tax plan, and the poor and middle-class would pay less. Under McCain, the rich would pay much less than they do now, the poor and middle-class would pay a bit less, and the federal deficit would grow.

As to social programs, did I mention I'm a Dem? Welfare reform enacted by Clinton during the last days of his administration was the way to go and it worked. A 2 year weaning program that gave folks a learned skill, put them back in the workforce and gave tax breaks to company's who hired them. All nixed by Bush during his first 4 years. Pity that.

810 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:46:22pm

One last thing and I am off to bed: Sarah Palin Demotivator

LOL

811 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:46:24pm

re: #803 calcajun

Yes, but Reagan had executive experience by 1980.

Here's my biggest beef with Obama. McCain is not a party hack. Neither is Palin. Obama graduated from law school and moved to a locale where he could insinuate himself into the local political structure. He has never gone against the party or taken a position contrary to that held by his constituents. He has never spoken his own mind- he has towed the party line. McCain is like Churchill in that he has bucked the party --though he has not crossed over like WSC. Obama has been party loyalty incarnate--is that a real indicia of "Change" or business as usual?

My biggest beef with Obama is that when you go through his voting record there are entire categories of issues on which he has never once cast a vote. In the Illinois legislature he had 130 or so NOVOTEs - which means that he either cast no vote at all or re voted "present." In his few short years as a Senator he has racked up at least that many in the US Senate while we have been paying him to conduct our nation's business. By contrast, my ultra liberal, openly socialist Senator from Vermont Bernie Sanders, who has been in the Senate for many years, has just exactly ONE NOVOTE.

812 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:47:02pm

re: #808 calcajun

Can you say "arugula"?

SNOBama!
I barely knew what it was until his defining "arugula" moment.

813 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:48:05pm

re: #805 galloping granny

"gg' -

Actually, at the time, I went along with Waco as i got to know an FBI agent assigned there. Koresh was NO ANGEL - AND - the reaction might just have been too massive.

-S-

814 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:50:07pm

re: #810 baxtrice

One last thing and I am off to bed: Sarah Palin Demotivator

LOL

"Bax" -

Whaddabout - "YES,I DID!"

-S-

815 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:50:10pm

re: #723 vagabond trader

Can't answer the "Jewish questions" I posed. You're no Zionist,and pushing fifty is waaay too old to be such a silly twit.

Umm which questions did this old silly non-zionist twit miss?

816 Freedom Fan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:50:52pm

There are quite a number of extremely troubling links between Sarah Palin and neopentecostal dominionists...
-dogemperor, braindamaged KOS conspiracy goofball

Ooooh that sounds terrible! Um ... what the hell are you talking about?

Is it really the Christians who are secretly behind all the terrorist mayhem to take over the world? Was Dubya behind 9/11 and Katrina? Did Diebold steal the election?

What a michael mooreon.

817 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:50:56pm

re: #809 marjoriemoon

Taxes, welfare, this is why I'm a Dem. Love me or hate me.

The rich would pay more under Obama's tax plan, and the poor and middle-class would pay less. Under McCain, the rich would pay much less than they do now, the poor and middle-class would pay a bit less, and the federal deficit would grow.

As to social programs, did I mention I'm a Dem? Welfare reform enacted by Clinton during the last days of his administration was the way to go and it worked. A 2 year weaning program that gave folks a learned skill, put them back in the workforce and gave tax breaks to company's who hired them. All nixed by Bush during his first 4 years. Pity that.

Maybe YOU had better go take a basic economics class. By the time your social security goes up and your use/sales/luxury taxes go up and your gas/utility taxes go up - and they all will, because the money to put all Obama's grandiose plans in place require lots and lots of $$$ - and your health insurance skyrockets due to a single payer system you won't need to worry about your "taxes" going up.

818 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:51:23pm

re: #811 galloping granny

My biggest beef with Obama is that when you go through his voting record there are entire categories of issues on which he has never once cast a vote. In the Illinois legislature he had 130 or so NOVOTEs - which means that he either cast no vote at all or re voted "present." In his few short years as a Senator he has racked up at least that many in the US Senate while we have been paying him to conduct our nation's business. By contrast, my ultra liberal, openly socialist Senator from Vermont Bernie Sanders, who has been in the Senate for many years, has just exactly ONE NOVOTE.

Which is why I have said on several occasions that the Dems have nominated Chance the Gardener from "Being There".

AS for you senator, the words of Churchill come to mind: "You sat you have enemies? Good. It means you stood for something."

819 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:51:52pm

re: #728 baxtrice

Oh and marjorie, thanks for answering my question, I see that you are being deluged with them and are trying very hard to get to all of them. My biggest vice is my lack of patience.

I'm trying girl! (I'm assuming girl hehe)

820 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:53:33pm

re: #730 Dr. Shalit

"ma.moon" -

As I voted for him in 2000, I believe I am allowed to have an opinion of the former Vice-President. or what it is worth (shades of Buffalo Springfield) - I believe former VP Gore has gone over to the "Dark Side."
Discussion?

-S-

Would that be... SATAN?

821 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:53:43pm

re: #809 marjoriemoon

Taxes, welfare, this is why I'm a Dem. Love me or hate me.

The rich would pay more under Obama's tax plan, and the poor and middle-class would pay less. Under McCain, the rich would pay much less than they do now, the poor and middle-class would pay a bit less, and the federal deficit would grow.

As to social programs, did I mention I'm a Dem? Welfare reform enacted by Clinton during the last days of his administration was the way to go and it worked. A 2 year weaning program that gave folks a learned skill, put them back in the workforce and gave tax breaks to company's who hired them. All nixed by Bush during his first 4 years. Pity that.

"mm" -

Being JEWISH - I never believed in SANTA CLAUS or THE EASTER BUNNY.
WHY DO YOU?

-S-

822 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:54:37pm

re: #810 baxtrice

One last thing and I am off to bed: Sarah Palin Demotivator

LOL

More! More!

823 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:58:50pm

re: #737 calcajun

You're missing the point of why she was picked. Today, Jim Dobson said he would vote for McCain. She is there to shore up the base first. She is pro life, pro gun and fiscally conservative. Thats is reason #1 why she was picked. She is also there to appeal to the PUMAs, especially in PA and OH where Hillary beat BHO by double-digits.

Romney would NOT have shore up the base. Many of the evangelicals had serious qualms about a Mormon and he did not resonate with the real fiscal conservatives.

Well, I just assumed Romney for what I heard you guys talking about, but I understand the Mormon issue.

I'm telling you that I can't possibly see how this woman would woo over the PUMAs. Other than they're idiots to begin with. Sore losers and traitors are better words. I was never a PUMA and was appalled at their behaviour. I do understand they were hurt and there was a lot to be hurt over. I also think the Dem convention did an excellent job of reminding them what their party is about and why I can't see them voting for McCain with his pick.

824 Freedom Fan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 7:59:56pm

The rich would pay more under Obama's tax plan, and the poor and middle-class would pay less. Under McCain, the rich would pay much less than they do now, the poor and middle-class would pay a bit less, and the federal deficit would grow.

As to social programs, did I mention I'm a Dem? Welfare reform enacted by Clinton during the last days of his administration was the way to go and it worked.
-marjoriemoon

Actually "rich" productive folks would find their taxes raised to subsidize, in the form of earned income credits, transfer payments to the "poor" who pay little or no taxes. This is massive socialism without the facade of money first passing through the hands of government bureaucrats. If you enjoy the way European countries like Sweden have stagnated their economies, you will luv Obama.

The welfare reform signed by Clinton was drafted by Newt Gingrich and his Contract For America renegades who brought adult supervison to D.C. for the first time in 40 years. Clinton was forced to sign after vetoing virtually identical measures ... twice.

825 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:00:29pm

re: #739 godfrey

Marjoriemoon isn't a troll. Marj, I think the more the fence-sitters see Sarah Palin, the more they'll be convinced she's the stuff.

It's still early. I could be dead wrong, but as a lifelong Dem, I don't think so.

If I am, you're my first stop for Crow Dinner.

826 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:01:12pm

re: #809 marjoriemoon

"mm" -

Like, Welfare Reformre: #820 marjoriemoon

"mm"

NO - Al Gore in 2000 seemed to be an Alpha Politician that "got it." In fact - if all y'all look back at 2000, GWB ws the "Isolationist." Like - DUH!

-S-

827 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:02:27pm

re: #741 calcajun

Here here. What is taking place is a civilized discussion and an exchange of ideas. This is a chance and a place for both sides to learn from one another.

I don't know if I'm the best representative of the Left, just of me :) I know there are a lot of ex-Dems here and some still hangers on like me, but I do GREATLY appreciate those of you who have made it a little easier for me to express myself rather than attack.

828 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:03:31pm

re: #823 marjoriemoon

I understand your disbelief. But the polls are showing that double digit numbers of HRC supporters would go over to McCain in lieu of BHO. I have got to believe that Palin was selected to seal the deal with them, especially in the states the GOP needs and needs to flip.

Remember, Presidential politics is a game of states and counties, not voter groups. If there is a chance that the GOP can keep OH as it did in 04 and PA, it will take it.

829 Freedom Fan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:06:38pm

I met him in 2004. Well I shook his hand at a convention. The man is magnetic.
-marjoriemoon

Well I hope you used protection ... surgical gloves, I mean. ;-)

Magnetic. Kinda like a black hole from which no truth ever escapes. I can easily see why he would be irresistable to the dhimmicrat base.

830 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:06:42pm

re: #753 baxtrice

There's a time for civility and a time for war. This is not a time beating her over the head. We may disagree with her, but she might come around. It's worth a shot, wouldn't you agree, if it gets McCain another vote and keeps the socialism/marxism at bay?

LOL You're kind, thank you (even if you did call me a tree-hugging, commie, pinko!)

831 jpkoch  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:08:14pm

re: #809 marjoriemoon

The GOP lead Congress wrote Welfare Reform, not Clinton. It took 6 years for Clinton to get around to it.

The rich already pay 65% of all taxes, The bottom 30% pay no income tax (thanks to Bush's 2003 tax cut). BTW, the Bush 2003 tax cuts are set to expire in 1 year. The middle class will see where the Dems stand once their taxes sky rocket and the AMT kicks in.

832 calcajun  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:09:40pm

re: #827 marjoriemoon

833 Freedom Fan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:11:13pm

...would appear to be a complete cypher.
-dogemperor, Marxist stalking horse

Interesting. Sounds like a perfect description of the Obamanation.

834 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:12:17pm

re: #761 galloping granny

Vagabond, I think that you have misread me and possibly all of us. I was not accusing you of anything. I accepted your question at face value and told you exactly why I have not been trying to grind Marjoriemoon into the dust.

Well I appreciate that, but your comment at #729 was rather dusty.

835 Freedom Fan  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:14:01pm

So Marjorie, are you terrified of Sarah Palin and her stealthy neopentecostal dominionist buddies?

/moonbat quiz

836 marjoriemoon  Fri, Aug 29, 2008 8:17:47pm

re: #771 baxtrice

No, most of them come here to mock us and try to start fights and incite flame wars. I understand your line of thought and I initially branded her a troll as well, but after reading a few posts of hers, it seemed that she could be reasoned with. OR I could be just too nice. (Which I have many times in my life)

We must always be vigilant, evil lurks and will not be stopped whether we want to believe it or not.

If you search my name under the advanced search thing, you'll see my comments about Israel, or talk to a few of the lounge goers (my friends rawmuse and godfrey are two), they'll te