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Feminist Makes Excuses for Misogyny

Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:36:10 am PDT

One of the most bizarre manifestations of leftist cognitive dissonance occurs when hardcore feminists like Naomi Wolf abandon all their principles and twist themselves into philosophical knots, in order to make excuses for one of the most misogynistic belief systems on Earth: Behind the veil lives a thriving Muslim sexuality.

Ideological battles are often waged with women’s bodies as their emblems, and Western Islamophobia is no exception. When France banned headscarves in schools, it used the hijab as a proxy for Western values in general, including the appropriate status of women. When Americans were being prepared for the invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban were demonised for denying cosmetics and hair colour to women; when the Taliban were overthrown, Western writers often noted that women had taken off their scarves.

But are we in the West radically misinterpreting Muslim sexual mores, particularly the meaning to many Muslim women of being veiled or wearing the chador? And are we blind to our own markers of the oppression and control of women?

The West interprets veiling as repression of women and suppression of their sexuality. But when I travelled in Muslim countries and was invited to join a discussion in women-only settings within Muslim homes, I learned that Muslim attitudes toward women’s appearance and sexuality are not rooted in repression, but in a strong sense of public versus private, of what is due to God and what is due to one’s husband. It is not that Islam suppresses sexuality, but that it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home.

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1 jones  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:37:39am

Muslim Mysogyny. Hell, they won't stand up fpr Sarah Palin and liberal Mysogyny

2 rwmofo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:38:21am

Oh, OK. Now I understand.

/

3 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:38:52am
of what is due to God and what is due to one’s husband.

When has a feminist ever been concerned about "what is due to one's husband" in the West?

4 jones  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:39:01am

*for*

Bad mother
Fake mother
Bikini
topless
poor prenatal health. Sounds like the Iranians could take lessons from the DNC.

5 calcajun[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:39:02am
6 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:40:04am

Well that explains it all!
I am going shopping today!

NOT

7 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:40:07am

But are we in the West radically misinterpreting Muslim sexual mores

/like forced marriage and female genital mutilation?

8 Lawrence Schmerel  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:40:13am

Armed and Violent Pacifists, Trained and Organized Anarchists, and now . . .

Misogynistic Feminists.

Yet another innovation of modern liberalism.

9 jcm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:40:25am

Go marry a Taliban Naomi, and report back in a couple years.

brain dead [deleted]

10 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:40:39am

FGM, honor killings, arranged marriages...

Does this twit have anything to say about those practices?

11 jaunte  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:41:08am

It's hard to imagine Naomi Wolf finding a group within our western society to praise for their "strong sense of public versus private" sexuality. I think she would automatically assume they were repressed, in that case.

12 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:41:24am
The West interprets veiling as repression of women and suppression of their sexuality. But when I travelled in Muslim countries and was invited to join a discussion in women-only settings within Muslim homes, I learned that Muslim attitudes toward women’s appearance and sexuality are not rooted in repression, but in a strong sense of public versus private, of what is due to God and what is due to one’s husband. It is not that Islam suppresses sexuality, but that it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home.

Oh, for pete's sake! Let anyone try to make a case that in our society, the "appropriate channelling" of sexuality is "toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that securies a home", and see how they would howl!

13 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:41:58am

Bow down to Moloch, Naomi, bow down to your new masters!

14 jaunte  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:42:11am

re: #12 reine.de.tout

Great minds ding alike!

15 nikis-knight  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:42:42am
Feminist Makes Excuses for Misogyny

And here I thought that this was going to be about anti-Palin smears. No doubt those excuses are coming.

Ideological battles are often waged with women’s bodies life & liberty as their emblems goals, and Western Islamophobia is no exception.


Fixed it for her.

16 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:42:47am

re: #11 jaunte

It's hard to imagine Naomi Wolf finding a group within our western society to praise for their "strong sense of public versus private" sexuality. I think she would automatically assume they were repressed, in that case.

I wonder what she might think of the Amish, who still practice bundling.

17 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:43:00am
18 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:43:14am
It is not that Islam suppresses sexuality, but that it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home.

Hypocrites. This was exactly what they were railing against, wasn't it?

19 calcajun  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:43:31am

Another thing--does she not get that in Muslim societies, the men will really and literally make her their bitch? She is chattel, not an equal-- a goal to which feminists like her have been striving for years.

20 medaura18586  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:43:41am

Naomi Watts sucks. She has no principle behind anything she stands for. She uses her leftist sophistry to just rationalize her innermost beliefs, which are primarily emotional and irrational.

She'll concoct a 'feminist' theory for eating a piece of shit if it means deploring Western values and the perpetuation of inter-factional (including but not limited to Marxist) strife.

21 Syrah  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:43:53am

So the new Feminist-think Party-line is that "a truly liberated woman is one who accepts that she is nothing more than a vessel for male appetites?"

Wow.

"You have come a long way baby" takes on a whole new meaning.

22 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:07am

"of what is due to God and what is due to one’s husband."

This confuses me now:
1) I thought the liberals didn't give a damn about G-D
2) And how dare they use the word "Husband"! What about lesbians?

23 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:08am

Let me get this straight.

The dumbass defends how Muslim woman are treated?

And here I thought she was going to defend how Palin was being treated!

24 medaura18586  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:14am

Errrr... Sorry, my mistake, I meant Naomi Wolf...

same things I guess...

25 nikis-knight  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:45:05am

Next weeks' article: Why polygamy is every modern girl's best friend!

26 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:45:22am

re: #19 calcajun

Another thing--does she not get that in Muslim societies, the men will really and literally make her their bitch? She is chattel, not an equal-- a goal to which feminists like her have been striving for years.

excellent point!

27 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:45:41am
28 jaunte  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:45:43am

re: #16 galloping granny

In her case, it's "situational principles." She's being transgressive, and bucking her perception of the popular taste, just like Pacifica radio suddenly finding the needed to play a lot of arab music after 9/11.

29 cliffster  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:45:51am

Wow, penetrating analysis. I wonder where villages stoning women to death for being seen "inappropriately" with a man falls into that? Or a man throwing acid on a woman's face when she rejects him; is that a deep-rooted sense of privacy and inner sexuality?

30 Defector01  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:45:59am

So if I beat teh ever loving crap out of my wife and kept her subjugated to the point of her being a third class citizen (forget second class) then could I use this exact same claim? Oh damn I'm sorry I'm a white guy, not a muslim. Unless I'm a liberal, I'm just evil.

Proof positive that its all about their political ideology and has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's freedom!

31 calcajun  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:46:13am

re: #20 medaura18586

Naomi Watts sucks.

Ms. Watts is a cute little Australian actress and a pretty good one too. Naomi Wolff is an ardent feminist activist. I think you made a little typo there.

32 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:46:27am

I thought feminism was supposed to be about a woman's right to self determination. Muslim women don;t have the right in islamic nations to decide for themselves if they veil or not. If it was fully their choice, I could accept it, but it's not- it's forced on them, and this so-called feminist goes and makes excuses for them. I'm totally disgusted.

33 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:47:14am

She probably used her left hand (sans paper) to wipe after dropping that load...

34 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:47:20am

Having no spines, liberals can twist themselves into any knots they wish to.

35 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:00am
36 Defector01  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:14am

re: #34 Pullus Iulius

having no guts and reproductive organs also helps, those hurt if you twist too much

37 lawhawk  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:15am

I'm sure all those women who got stoned to death for showing a wee bit of skin appreciated the Islamist treatment. Or the women murdered by the Taliban for being out and about.

Or the Islamist religious police who routinely harass women who are straying from the home.

Misogyny goes on in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan - places where the Islamists are deeply rooted. They're making inroads in places like Gaza, Egypt and elsewhere around the world, and we're supposed to be accommodating of a view that treats women as nothing more than chattel and second class citizens who are neither to be seen nor heard.

Gotcha.

38 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:36am

medaura 18586,

Naomi Watts sucks. She has no principle behind anything she stands for. She uses her leftist sophistry to just rationalize her innermost beliefs, which are primarily emotional and irrational.

She'll concoct a 'feminist' theory for eating a piece of shit if it means deploring Western values and the perpetuation of inter-factional (including but not limited to Marxist) strife.

Yeah and she like totally ruined that King Kong movie too.

39 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:47am

Leftists feminists are now cool with channelling female sexuality toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home? So- they'll be endorsing McCain/Palin now, right?

40 nikis-knight  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:59am

re: #32 Sharmuta

I thought feminism was supposed to be about a woman's right to self determination. Muslim women don;t have the right in islamic nations to decide for themselves if they veil or not. If it was fully their choice, I could accept it, but it's not- it's forced on them, and this so-called feminist goes and makes excuses for them. I'm totally disgusted.

It's hard to say what their free choice means at this point, there is so much brainwashing-level of indoctrination going on over there.
But I'd love Aya Hirsi Ali to have a nice debate with this so-called feminist.
(The left loves using so-called to belittle conservative groups, when their titles are truely Orwellian)

41 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:02am

Uh, who the hell is Naomi Wolf ?

42 BlueCanuck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:05am

Well I guess we shouldn't have expected anything else coming out of their mouths that would support the women in strong patriarchal society.

*spit*

43 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:18am

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ISLAM.

American left-wing feminists understand the nuance of culture and the superiority of a religion that hates modern western values women.

44 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:27am

Now back to curent events:

Do You Know Why I Know that Sarah Palin was the Perfect Pick for VP?
—Russ from Winterset

Lindsey Graham disagreed with putting her on the ticket. I was just watching Bob Schieffer with CBS News reporting live from St. Paul, and he did a piece with David Brooks from the NYT where they listed all the negatives about the Palin selection.

They actually referenced Lindsey Graham's displeasure as a negative? Hello? Are these guys fucking paying attention anymore? Jeebus, citing Lindsey Graham as a barometer of what the Conservative Base of the Republican Party thinks is sort of like citing Saddam Hussein as an expert in land warfare tactics.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

45 Syrah  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:32am

re: #30 Defector01

So if I beat teh ever loving crap out of my wife and kept her subjugated to the point of her being a third class citizen (forget second class) then could I use this exact same claim? Oh damn I'm sorry I'm a white guy, not a muslim. Unless I'm a liberal, I'm just evil.

Proof positive that its all about their political ideology and has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's freedom!

Being white is no barrier. Islam is more than happy to let you treat your wife and your daughters like chattel slaves.

46 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:53am

re: #40 nikis-knight

I'd pay to see Ayaan take on this woman in a debate.

47 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:50:05am

re: #39 Sharmuta

Leftists feminists are now cool with channelling female sexuality toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home? So- they'll be endorsing McCain/Palin now, right?

(holding breath awaiting that endorsement - NOT)

48 cliffster  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:50:05am

re: #27 MandyManners

Thanks for links. You have those within reach at all times, don't you?

49 Defector01  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:50:07am

re: #45 Syrah

Yeah but I'm Jewish too so yeah, probably should've added that. Good point.

50 Ronnie Schreiber  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:51:51am

Naomi Wolf is a liberal, secular Jewish woman. I doubt she'd extend the same level of respect to the gender roles and modest clothing of Orthodox Jewish women as she does to Muslims.

51 BlueCanuck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:51:52am

Later folks my relief is here and it's time for me to go. Check in when I get my hands on the brain bleach at home. Stay scaly, and keep fighting.

52 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:52:04am

Fascist America in 10 Easy Steps

by Naomi Wolf

Paralleled here. Thanks, zombie!

53 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:52:31am
54 jcm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:52:33am

re: #32 Sharmuta

I thought feminism was supposed to be about a woman's right to self determination. Muslim women don;t have the right in islamic nations to decide for themselves if they veil or not. If it was fully their choice, I could accept it, but it's not- it's forced on them, and this so-called feminist goes and makes excuses for them. I'm totally disgusted.

Feminism was never about self determination (liberty) it was always about imposing state control over society. The state top down determining the rules on how women were to be treated. That's why Naomi finds common cause with the Islamic regime.

55 Defector01  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:06am

re: #50 Ronnie Schreiber

The more liberal in that community (Jewish) the more willing you are to twist yourself to see no evil. The more sane members of the community don't buy this crap having seen Muslim treatment of women with their own eyes.

56 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:08am

Slightly off topic, but interesting. I got one of the books we'll be using for Holocaust studies this year in the mail yesterday. I was looking through it a few minutes ago and came upon a picture of a nighttime rally in Berlin that took place at the Brandenburg Gate about 1939.

Remember when Obama wanted to speak that the Brandenberg Gate and the Germans would not let him?

And remember how his campaign said that the set design could not be changed because it had been decided even before The One's World Tour?

I think you'll recognize this - [Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

57 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:09am

nikis-knight,

Next weeks' article: Why polygamy is every modern girl's best friend!

Two weeks out: "Why Clitorectomies Are No Different Than Brazillian Waxes".

58 yma o hyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:21am
59 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:40am

re: #41 realwest

Uh, who the hell is Naomi Wolf ?

An idiot who, among other things, consulted Al Gore in his campaign. One piece of advice she gave him was to wear brown suits 'cause they're not threatening.

60 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:45am

What's the proper term for a female Wolf?

61 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:03am

re: #41 realwest

Uh, who the hell is Naomi Wolf ?

A woman who would probably be stoned to death in Saudi or Iran for dressing like this.

62 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:15am

re: #48 cliffster

Thanks for links. You have those within reach at all times, don't you?

I need to get cracking on finishing my blog.

63 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:46am

re: #61 victor_yugo

A woman who would probably be stoned to death in Saudi or Iran for dressing like this.

She's a pretty woman.

64 cliffster  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:48am

re: #56 galloping granny

What are you talking about? His set was modelled after the lincoln memorial and the oval office. He said so.

65 jcm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:49am

re: #59 MandyManners

An idiot who, among other things, consulted Al Gore in his campaign. One piece of advice she gave him was to wear brown suits 'cause they're not threatening.

How could he be the Alpha male and non-threatening at the same time?

66 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:49am

re: #54 jcm

Feminism was never about self determination (liberty) it was always about imposing state control over society. The state top down determining the rules on how women were to be treated. That's why Naomi finds common cause with the Islamic regime.

I agree, but I must protest at the same time. For some women feminism is very much about a woman's right to self determination and it is because we see feminism in this light that we don't pitch our lot with the marxist variety of "feminists".

67 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:55am

re: #60 christheprofessor

What's the proper term for a female Wolf?

Bitch?

68 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:01am

re: #60 christheprofessor

What's the proper term for a female Wolf?

A bitch.

69 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:16am

re: #63 MandyManners

She's a pretty woman.

She is not my type.

70 Syrah  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:17am

re: #58 yma o hyd

She is a dhimmi ...

Worse than a Dhimmi. She would/is trying sell dhimmic submission as a good thing.

71 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:19am

re: #65 jcm

How could he be the Alpha male and non-threatening at the same time?

Maybe in her mind.

72 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:20am

re: #63 MandyManners

She's a pretty woman.

Until she opens her mouth.

73 wiffersnapper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:32am

Watch the Left as they race for the bottom! How low can they go!

74 nikis-knight  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:49am

re: #57 Dirk Diggler

nikis-knight,


Two weeks out: "Why Clitorectomies Are No Different Than Brazillian Waxes".

No different? Hardly, waxing is done to please men, while clitorectimies honor an ancient culture, connecting a woman with the generations of women before them... or some such crap.

75 jaunte  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:50am

re: #59 MandyManners

I didn't realize before how profitable that was for her:
"This weekend, Time reported that Al Gore's campaign has been paying Wolf, a feminist author, $15,000 a month (recently reduced to $5,000) to transform Gore from a weak "beta" male into a strong "alpha" male."
[Link: www.slate.com...]

76 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:15am

re: #67 MandyManners

re: #68 galloping granny

That's what I thought...

77 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:22am

re: #62 MandyManners

I need to get cracking on finishing my blog.

Some of us are really looking forward to it, Sweetie.

78 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:27am

re: #64 cliffster

What are you talking about? His set was modelled after the lincoln memorial and the oval office. He said so.

Note those two little wings off to each side on the Brandenburg Gate and Obama's Coronation Stage that we never could quite reconcile with any building or monument in Washington.

79 yma o hyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:38am

re: #39 Sharmuta

Leftists feminists are now cool with channelling female sexuality toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home? So- they'll be endorsing McCain/Palin now, right?

Only if they're wearing a burqa and live in islamic countries - after al, its always 'do as I say, not as I do ...' with the LLL.

So forget John & Sarah - they don't count, according to Naomi wolf's worldview ...

80 dhg4  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:39am

re: #3 mich-again

When has a feminist ever been concerned about "what is due to one's husband" in the West?

Exactly. A woman talking about voluntary modesty in her dress in our society would be condemned by the Naomi Wolfs of our world for being intimidated by the patriarchy.

The Muslim women don't maintain their modesty voluntarily, but at the fear of dishonoring their families and the resulting violence that such a breach is likely to entail.

81 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:53am

re: #73 wiffersnapper

Watch the Left as they race for the bottom! How low can they go!

To hell.

82 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:57:23am

re: #63 MandyManners
She's not pretty to men who see more than the physical attributes of a woman. Indeed, even at the physical level, she's nothing special.

83 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:57:53am

re: #75 jaunte

I didn't realize before how profitable that was for her:
"This weekend, Time reported that Al Gore's campaign has been paying Wolf, a feminist author, $15,000 a month (recently reduced to $5,000) to transform Gore from a weak "beta" male into a strong "alpha" male."
[Link: www.slate.com...]

Isn't working. Gore had best ask for a refund.

84 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:03am

re: #73 wiffersnapper

Watch the Left as they race for the bottom! How low can they go!

Well the lowest points on earth:
1) land--the dead sea 420 meters below sea level
2) Maina's Trench- deep pacific-11,040 meters below sea level

Take your pick?

85 jcm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:08am

re: #66 Sharmuta

I agree, but I must protest at the same time. For some women feminism is very much about a woman's right to self determination and it is because we see feminism in this light that we don't pitch our lot with the marxist variety of "feminists".

Agreed, we could Rush's term "feminazi" for what I defined above. I was speaking about what organized feminism became. Too many movement have been hijacked by "reds."

86 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:14am

They hate the Society of Consent.

Because of their hatred of the principle of Consent they look for any excuse to reject the inherent moral standards of a rational society where consent is the basis of human relationships. They look for any excuse to justify compulsion in any situation.

Why?

Because their lives depend on it.

Because as parasites on a rational and productive society power over the productive population is essential to their survival and well being.

I cannot emphasize this point enough: POWER IS LIFE!

They persistently denounce reason because no consistently rational individual will consent to being carrying the burden of a willful parasite.

They persistently cook up excuses for acts of brutal subjugation because without such behavior they would simply wither away and die.

Of course I wouldn't mind if they did.
_

87 calcajun  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:19am

re: #30 Defector01

So if I beat teh ever loving crap out of my wife and kept her subjugated to the point of her being a third class citizen (forget second class) then could I use this exact same claim? Oh damn I'm sorry I'm a white guy, not a muslim. Unless I'm a liberal, I'm just evil.

Or just a redneck. A typical white redneck. (sarc off)

I read recently that Islam was making inroads in, of all places, Texas and other parts of the deep South. I thing it was a hoax, but part of me can see how it could happen, as evidence by this possible reply by a "Bubba";

"I can keep hunting if I convert and become a Muslim? Well, OK, then. And I gotta go to church on Friday instead of Sunday? Sounds fine- get ta see all the football games on Sunday. But I gotta give up bacon an booze? No-not as long as I do it at home and in private. Fine. But I gotta give up sex? No. But you tellin me the wife has gotta wear this burkha thing, right? Well, shit son--that means I get to save more than $500 a month on what she pays down at Bertha's Beauty Boutique. And I get to hit her if she talks back to me? Hell, I do that now. Wait, you mean it will be legal? No shit. Hell, son where do I sign."

88 cliffster  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:28am

re: #78 galloping granny

Note those two little wings off to each side on the Brandenburg Gate and Obama's Coronation Stage that we never could quite reconcile with any building or monument in Washington.

That's a great catch, GG. I can just see the Obama regime huddled around the table once they were rejected by the germans, trying to figure out how to spice up and cook the crow they were going to have to eat.

89 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:41am

re: #76 christheprofessor

re: #68 galloping granny

That's what I thought...

Great minds do think alike Chris.

90 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:20am
91 shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:22am
It is not that Islam suppresses sexuality

Right. Not Islam. Islamists

92 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:32am

One day she's advising ManBearPig to wear earthtones, the next she's wearing a burqa.

Really advancing the feminist cause there, Naomi.

93 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:36am

re: #82 realwest

She's not pretty to men who see more than the physical attributes of a woman. Indeed, even at the physical level, she's nothing special.

I dunno, she could be Daphne Zuniga's sister.

94 saberry0530  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:37am

re: #84 Nevergiveup

Dont' you mean marianas trench ?

95 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:41am

Women like naomi do true feminists such an utter disservice it makes me ill. Yeah- real cool, naomi- make excuses for forced marriages, genital mutilation, rape and inequality. You make me sick, you hypocritical bitch.

96 jaunte  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:57am

re: #83 galloping granny

She may be the one responsible for his makeover into the High Priest of Gaia role.

97 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:59am

after the next al kada / islmo fascist attack what % of leftist moonbats (including radical leftist feminist) will convert to islam?

i would say it will be a high %

98 Syrah  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:00:04am

re: #73 wiffersnapper

Watch the Left as they race for the bottom! How low can they go!

How far can they drag us?

99 cliffster  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:00:31am

bbl, I'm going to go play some math games with my daughter and try to make her feel strong and independent.

100 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:00:35am

re: #73 wiffersnapper

Watch the Left as they race for the bottom! How low can they go!

/well, as of last night, they're floating the rumor that Palin's child Trig is really her daughter's kid and the product of incest

101 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:00:38am

I was going to say that NW could kiss my ass, but the mental origami she must have gone through to support muslim suppression of women allows her to kiss her own ass...

102 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:01:20am

re: #94 saberry0530

Dont' you mean marianas trench ?

I am already getting drunk in preparation for my mother coming over to stay with my senile mother in law who lives with us, so you are probably right.

103 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:01:53am

re: #88 cliffster

That's a great catch, GG. I can just see the Obama regime huddled around the table once they were rejected by the germans, trying to figure out how to spice up and cook the crow they were going to have to eat.

This one is quite like the one in the book that caught my eye - you can only see the wing on the right [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

104 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:01:58am

re: #89 galloping granny

Great minds do think alike Chris.

So true...

105 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:02:24am
106 wright1  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:02:33am

The concept of having appropriate modesty in public is a valid view and can be a virtuous goal. However, that is not what is going on here. There are legions of materials chronicling that in the Islamic world, the woman does not truly make the choice to live modestly. It is foisted upon her through indoctrination and the threat of, if not the actual act of violence visited upon her. Sharia Law is not a construct of choice. It is implemented by men in large part and frankly, women have little to say lest they lose their hand, sexual organ, or in many cases - their head.

107 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:02:33am

re: #96 jaunte

She may be the one responsible for his makeover into the High Priest of Gaia role.

I would buy that. She missed the alpha male mark though.

108 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:02:39am

re: #85 jcm

Agreed, we could Rush's term "feminazi" for what I defined above. I was speaking about what organized feminism became. Too many movement have been hijacked by "reds."

It's the difference between Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin.

109 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:02:42am

re: #56 galloping granny

He could not let the imagery go, a true demagogue.

Don't know how old the kids are. "Night," by Elie Wiesel is a powerful 120 page novella in which he recounts his deportation and survival as a teenager in the camps.

110 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:03:30am

re: #102 Nevergiveup

I am already getting drunk in preparation for my mother coming over to stay with my senile mother in law who lives with us, so you are probably right.

Do you get to leave? My mother and my MIL would have killed each other, senile or no.

111 nikis-knight  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:04am

re: #91 shug

Right. Not Islam. Islamists

No, I'm pretty sure even mainstream Islam represses sexuality, perhaps not violently so, but certainly more than other religions.

112 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:20am

Does anyone else here remember when Janice Dean the weather girl ( er I mean person ) on Fox used to be with that ass Imus?

113 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:25am

re: #75 jaunte

I didn't realize before how profitable that was for her:
"This weekend, Time reported that Al Gore's campaign has been paying Wolf, a feminist author, $15,000 a month (recently reduced to $5,000) to transform Gore from a weak "beta" male into a strong "alpha" male."
[Link: www.slate.com...]


That's hilarious. How about - she's a fraud. It amazes me what passes for intellect on the left. Naomi Wolf. She needs to get herself a Clitorectomy.
Maybe that will calm her inner shadow slut. added bonus - prove her solidarity with her Islamic sisters.

114 shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:39am

re: #111 nikis-knight

Islamists are the mainstream.

115 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:40am

re: #63 MandyManners

She's a pretty woman.

She would be a lot more interesting if she wasn't a [deleted] idiot.

116 jaunte  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:42am

re: #107 galloping granny

I said it badly before. What I mean is, after trying her advice, he may have decided he just couldn't hack the warrior/alpha male role, and decided on the priest/spiritual leader option as a better fit for his personality.

117 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:48am

My c/p power is pooped. bbiab

118 nikis-knight  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:05:18am

re: #114 shug

Islamists are the mainstream.

Do they depart enough from Mohammed's sacred example to merit a new term, then?

119 hooligan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:05:26am

I once had a co-worker who married a man from Kuwait. We were fascinated by the stories she told after her first visit to his native land.

She explained that most public places were divided into defacto "family" sections and sections for single males, and that this was to protect young women. We laughed, because we knew that most young women did not need or desire "protection" from young men---quite the opposite. What we did not understand at that time, and from her telling of story, was that this was the law.

She understood----she never went back and a year later had divorced this man because as she told us she would never bring children into such a situation. Naomi Wolf is a fool.

120 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:05:26am

re: #109 vagabond trader

He could not let the imagery go, a true demagogue.

Don't know how old the kids are. "Night," by Elie Wiesel is a powerful 120 page novella in which he recounts his deportation and survival as a teenager in the camps.

I heard him speak once - awesome dude.

121 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:05:36am
it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home

Theoretically, and only theoretically.

It also tolerates pre-Islamic customs, ranging from relatively-innocuous veiling to barbaric honor killings.

Islam's historical focus upon being both a religion and a government has forced it to compromise its original spiritual characteristics. What's left, especially in Arabic Islam, is a cut-and-paste bastardization -- a "religion" which does not deepen the spirituality of the faithful, but which only focuses upon politicized expediencies.

If you want an indication of what Islam could have become, look at the Sufi and the Baha'i. Look into Rabia al-Adawiyya, one of the earliest Sufi saints. Read her poetry.

As a great oversimplication, and IMHO, Islam as a whole is in very deep shit. A few, like Ibn Warraq, understand that.

122 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:05:51am

re: #53 MandyManners
Hey Mandy - repectfully, you ought to put a warning out there for that last one "www.faithfreedom.org...]"
Fairly gruesome photos.

123 jcm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:05:58am

re: #108 Sharmuta

It's the difference between Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin.

LOL! I can't wait till the Palin / Biden debate!

124 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:06:15am

re: #120 christheprofessor

Quite.

125 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:06:24am

And who can overlook the fact that Muslim men zip about in short sleeve shirts and light colored pants while Muslim women are punished into wearing BLACK chadors and burqas n 120 degree weather?

Don't tell me that black is not chosen to INCREASE the suffering, humiliation and degradation of the women.

126 Mordecai  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:06:28am

re: #3 mich-again

When has a feminist ever been concerned about "what is due to one's husband" in the West?

Never. Just making excuses for their Muslim cronies. If any Christian woman did the same, we would be able to hear their complaints and attacks across the Atlantic.

127 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:06:48am

re: #109 vagabond trader

He could not let the imagery go, a true demagogue.

Don't know how old the kids are. "Night," by Elie Wiesel is a powerful 120 page novella in which he recounts his deportation and survival as a teenager in the camps.

11-12 age. I've read Night many years ago when it was first published. It is very powerful, but I think also pretty horrific for an introduction to the Holocaust. We're doing Hana's Suitcase, Diary of Anne Frank, the DK Holocaust book that comes with the survivor testimony on disc & Exodus. Oh and I also have a book specifically about Auschwitz. I think that is enough depth for 6th graders.

128 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:07:23am
It is not that Islam suppresses sexuality, but that it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home.

OK, so this justifies wife beatings, "honor" killings, female genitalia mutilation, murder of female offspring, home imprisonment, a female can not associate with AMY male outside of the family, living in a 120-degree desert environment and having their women dress from head-to-toe in solid black tarps...yup. Good ol' Mo-style "family values".

Sure, why not! Who are WE, as Western society, to tell others who is civilized and who is not, right?
/////(last sentence only)

129 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:07:40am

re: #100 Killian Bundy

/well, as of last night, they're floating the rumor that Palin's child Trig is really her daughter's kid and the product of incest

And on Alan Colmes blog, he has counted the months between the Palins' marriage and the birth of their first son.

130 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:07:46am

re: #110 galloping granny

Do you get to leave? My mother and my MIL would have killed each other, senile or no.

My MIL has Alzheimer's and is deaf. My mom is insensitive, not all there either and a liberal. It's almost a perfect fit. My mom talks and doesn't understand that my MIL can't hear. It really should be on SNL. But I will be OK thanks to my friends Johnny Walker and Chivas.

131 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:07:53am

re: #120 christheprofessor

I heard him speak once - awesome dude.

I've heard him, too. Powerful speaker.

132 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:08:13am

re: #116 jaunte

I said it badly before. What I mean is, after trying her advice, he may have decided he just couldn't hack the warrior/alpha male role, and decided on the priest/spiritual leader option as a better fit for his personality.

Oh, I see what you mean.

133 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:08:19am

I guess hating America and loving her enemies trumps demanding equality for women around the world. The feminist left has sold out the very people they should be striving to help. Disgusting.

134 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:08:34am

re: #127 galloping granny

Good choices.Night is more suitable for older kids.

135 jaunte  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:08:39am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

What a jerk.

136 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:08:46am

re: #119 hooligan

A fool is one thing, but a useful idiot is dangerous.

137 yma o hyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:08:50am

Basically, its the same old rich-white-bored-female of a certain age thing which 'alls in love' with the unfathomable 'Orient'.
Its what made English ladies tramp around Arabia, its what amde hordes of females all voer the world swoon at the thought of a shekh carrying them off to his tent (Valentino, I think, was the name of that film star) - and it shows the ugliness of an insincere 'I'm no racist'- attitude.
Insincere because they regard only the exotic outside of a culture, from their superior point o view.
All they show is that they are superficial know-nothigns.

138 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:09:00am

re: #125 DistantThunder

And who can overlook the fact that Muslim men zip about in short sleeve shirts and light colored pants while Muslim women are punished into wearing BLACK chadors and burqas n 120 degree weather?

Don't tell me that black is not chosen to INCREASE the suffering, humiliation and degradation of the women.

Black hides the curves, you see...

139 Tigger2005  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:09:17am

re: #20 medaura18586

Naomi Watts sucks. She has no principle behind anything she stands for. She uses her leftist sophistry to just rationalize her innermost beliefs, which are primarily emotional and irrational.

She'll concoct a 'feminist' theory for eating a piece of shit if it means deploring Western values and the perpetuation of inter-factional (including but not limited to Marxist) strife.

I think you mean Naomi Wolf lol ... Naomi Watts is the Australian actress.

140 saberry0530  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:09:30am

re: #102 Nevergiveup
KNow what you mean, had the MIL stay with us for over 3 weeks after neck surgery. THANK GOD for distilled spirits! (and ear plugs)

141 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:09:49am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

And on Alan Colmes blog, he has counted the months between the Palins' marriage and the birth of their first son.

Yes, we were talking about that on the DT earlier. Among other things. You should have seen the page we chased off Alan Colme's site. Let me quite Mandy:

First babies can come at any time. After that, babies take nine months.

142 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:09:56am

re: #100 Killian Bundy

Oh, Lord, are you kidding me? This is further proof that the Lefties are in no way fit to lead the most powerful nation on Earth! What a bunch of low-life bastards!

143 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:09:56am

re: #106 wright1

The concept of having appropriate modesty in public is a valid view and can be a virtuous goal. However, that is not what is going on here. There are legions of materials chronicling that in the Islamic world, the woman does not truly make the choice to live modestly. It is foisted upon her through indoctrination and the threat of, if not the actual act of violence visited upon her. Sharia Law is not a construct of choice. It is implemented by men in large part and frankly, women have little to say lest they lose their hand, sexual organ, or in many cases - their head.

Research in Egypt shows that it is the covered women that are actually subjected to the most physical and sexual harassment on the streets of Cairo. The men can easily identify who is the least powerful and the most degredated by who is most covered - and that is who they target.

Shocking concept for liberals: signs of weakness attract aggressors.

144 Edward Halper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:09:56am
But Westerners should recognise that when a woman in France or Britain chooses a veil, it is not necessarily a sign of her repression. And, more importantly, when you choose your own miniskirt and halter top - in a Western culture in which women are not so free to age, to be respected as mothers, workers or spiritual beings, and to disregard Madison Avenue - it's worth thinking in a more nuanced way about what female freedom really means.

Good point. The problem is the delusion that Muslim women have a choice. Wolf thinks that if she interviews a few women by themselves she is going to get the real story. But they keep tabs on each other in ways that westerners can hardly imagine. A word against Islam (or perceived to be so) will bring immediate violent consequences. This is a constant problem with the western media in a society that is basically tribal. Anyone who speaks to the media will be tracked down. They do not have the social anonymity that western individualism brings.

145 Spiritualized  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:09:58am
"This weekend, Time reported that Al Gore's campaign has been paying Wolf, a feminist author, $15,000 a month (recently reduced to $5,000) to transform Gore from a weak "beta" male into a strong "alpha" male."

When is she going to start?

146 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:10:01am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

And on Alan Colmes blog, he has counted the months between the Palins' marriage and the birth of their first son.

And what's his conclusion regarding the number of angels who can dance upon the head of that pin?

/rhetorical question, don't tell me, I know already

147 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:10:42am

Well I can only speak for myself. I am ashamed that Naomi Wolf is Jewish. Thank G-D both my daughters seem to have alot more sense!

148 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:10:49am

re: #138 christheprofessor

Black hides the curves, you see...

And the blood from the beatings.

149 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:10:59am

re: #130 Nevergiveup

My MIL has Alzheimer's and is deaf. My mom is insensitive, not all there either and a liberal. It's almost a perfect fit. My mom talks and doesn't understand that my MIL can't hear. It really should be on SNL. But I will be OK thanks to my friends Johnny Walker and Chivas.

I hope you laid in a very large supply. And perhaps earplugs?

150 jemima  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:11:03am

Years ago I read The Beauty Myth and I had some respect for Naomi Wolff.
Then I read an article where she interviewed a childhood friend who had become an orthodox Jew. The sexual tension in the house crackled, Naomi thought. That this woman covered her beautiful hair was a major issue.

She must feel, I thought, so hot.

No, Naomi, she feels observant and closer to G-d.

[Link: nymag.com...]

151 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:11:16am

Naomi is an attractive woman who plays up her looks to the hilt, which makes it all the more amusing when she writes claptrap like this.

Or this, from the introduction, "The Beauty Myth":

"Beauty" is a currency system like the gold standard. Like any economy, it is determined by politics, and it the modern age in the West it is the last, best belief system that keeps male dominance intact. In assigning value to women in a vertical hierarchy according to a culturally imposed physical standard, it is an expression of power relations in which women must unnaturally compete for resources that men have appropriated for themselves."

152 jcm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:11:37am

re: #141 galloping granny

Yes, we were talking about that on the DT earlier. Among other things. You should have seen the page we chased off Alan Colme's site. Let me quite Mandy:

First babies can come at any time. After that, babies take nine months.

Let's assume it's true......
THEY GOT MARRIED AND TOOK RESPONSIBILITY!

Not yelling at you granny, at skeletor.

153 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:11:42am

re: #127 galloping granny

11-12 age. I've read Night many years ago when it was first published. It is very powerful, but I think also pretty horrific for an introduction to the Holocaust. We're doing Hana's Suitcase, Diary of Anne Frank, the DK Holocaust book that comes with the survivor testimony on disc & Exodus. Oh and I also have a book specifically about Auschwitz. I think that is enough depth for 6th graders.

I just read Night this year. The author is our friend's cousin. It is too brutal and horrific for 6th graders. The worst is when all the starving people are fighting each other for food in the cattle car. Horrific stuff.

154 calcajun  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:11:47am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

And on Alan Colmes blog, he has counted the months between the Palins' marriage and the birth of their first son.

No prize for guessing who the real bastard is here.

155 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:12:05am

re: #141 galloping granny

Yes, we were talking about that on the DT earlier. Among other things. You should have seen the page we chased off Alan Colme's site. Let me quite quote Mandy:

First babies can come at any time. After that, babies take nine months.

Why is it I never notice typos until after I have posted, no matter how much I preview?

156 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:12:49am

re: #152 jcm

Let's assume it's true......
THEY GOT MARRIED AND TOOK RESPONSIBILITY!

Not yelling at you granny, at skeletor.

I agree with you jcm. And they have been taking responsibility every day for 20 years - Friday was their anniversary as well as John McCain's birthday.

157 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:12:58am

re: #141 galloping granny

Yes, we were talking about that on the DT earlier. Among other things. You should have seen the page we chased off Alan Colme's site. Let me quite Mandy:

First babies can come at any time. After that, babies take nine months.

I was a 7 month-er.

158 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:13:11am

re: #142 6pat6

Oh, Lord, are you kidding me?

trig palin incest

/nope, not kidding

159 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:13:12am

re: #147 Nevergiveup

I'm ashamed a lot of Jews are dems. Fie on them supporting a bigot who attended a racist antisemitic church for almost 20 years.No excuse, none.

160 Mordecai  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:13:13am

re: #10 mich-again

FGM, honor killings, arranged marriages...

Does this twit have anything to say about those practices?

re: #22 Nevergiveup

"of what is due to God and what is due to one’s husband."

This confuses me now:
1) I thought the liberals didn't give a damn about G-D


Only if it suits their agenda.


2) And how dare they use the word "Husband"! What about lesbians?


Lesbians? In most Muslim countries they deny having homosexuals and/or condem it as a Western vice or affliction. That's why they hang them when they discover one.

161 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:13:16am

re: #148 victor_yugo

And the black eyes and bruises. Even a cast from broken bones...wait, a cast would mean that medical care was sought. Never mind.

162 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:13:17am

re: #122 realwest

Hey Mandy - repectfully, you ought to put a warning out there for that last one "www.faithfreedom.org...]"
Fairly gruesome photos.

What's gruesome? No blood, no guts.

163 wright1  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:13:37am

re: #133 Sharmuta

I guess hating America and loving her enemies trumps demanding equality for women around the world. The feminist left has sold out the very people they should be striving to help. Disgusting.

Yes the irony is rich...any trespass on a woman's right to equal rights raises bloody hell in this country but over there - well, we just don't understand them. It is much more complex don't you know? They choose their servitude. That makes it ok. Dhimmitude or dim wit - you choose.

164 Lynn B.  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:13:53am

re: #144 Edward Halper

Good point. The problem is the delusion that Muslim women have a choice. Wolf thinks that if she interviews a few women by themselves she is going to get the real story. But they keep tabs on each other in ways that westerners can hardly imagine. A word against Islam (or perceived to be so) will bring immediate violent consequences. This is a constant problem with the western media in a society that is basically tribal. Anyone who speaks to the media will be tracked down. They do not have the social anonymity that western individualism brings.

They're also brainwashed from birth and in some countries their access to alternative points of view is extremely limited.

Naomi Wolf is a tool ... in all the worst ways. The only thing worse than reading her drivel is listening to it.

165 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:14:01am

re: #148 victor_yugo

And the blood from the beatings.

Sad but true.

166 yma o hyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:14:07am

re: #133 Sharmuta

I guess hating America and loving her enemies trumps demanding equality for women around the world. The feminist left has sold out the very people they should be striving to help. Disgusting.

Their deafening silence to the fate of the women in Afghanistan when the Taliban took over is their greatest shame.
That was another eye-opener for me ... something I shall never forgive them.

167 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:14:10am

re: #125 DistantThunder

And who can overlook the fact that Muslim men zip about in short sleeve shirts and light colored pants while Muslim women are punished into wearing BLACK chadors and burqas n 120 degree weather?

Don't tell me that black is not chosen to INCREASE the suffering, humiliation and degradation of the women.

Also, black is a formal color, and there's no fun in Islam!

168 unclassifiable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:14:15am

re: #101 christheprofessor

I was going to say that NW could kiss my ass, but the mental origami she must have gone through to support muslim suppression of women allows her to kiss her own ass...

I'm vaguely familiar with that phenomenon.

Howdy ctp!

169 steveoh  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:14:19am

Two perfectly fine words. When put together, demented.
Moral Relativism

170 jcm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:14:31am

re: #156 galloping granny

I agree with you jcm. And they have been taking responsibility every day for 20 years - Friday was their anniversary as well as John McCain's birthday.

IIRC I read a study while back on the wedding dates and first birth dates in some of the early colonies. The number of early first babies was rather high.

171 Shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:14:46am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

And on Alan Colmes blog, he has counted the months between the Palins' marriage and the birth of their first son.

Keep it up Liberals. Keep it up. Keep showing the Great Uninformed moderate undecideds the true face of the left.

and at last count I count 240 Months ( and four more children ) since they tied the knot

172 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:15:00am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

And on Alan Colmes blog, he has counted the months between the Palins' marriage and the birth of their first son.

Colmes - What an asshole!

173 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:15:02am

re: #154 calcajun

No prize for guessing who the real bastard is here.

Heh...

174 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:15:18am

Once and for all:

Naomi Watts didn't write this!

Jet Girl fought too hard for freedom to give in to this kind of thinking.

175 jcm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:15:21am

re: #158 Killian Bundy

trig palin incest

/nope, not kidding

Projection me thinks.....

176 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:15:26am

re: #166 yma o hyd

Yma, good Towton link last week. Are you white rose or red? lol.

177 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:15:39am

re: #159 vagabond trader

I'm ashamed a lot of Jews are dems. Fie on them supporting a bigot who attended a racist antisemitic church for almost 20 years.No excuse, none.

I couldn't agree with you more. The ONLY time I ever hold my toungue now a days is for my kids sake. Other than that, I am letting anyone who supports Obama and can't even tell me one thing he has ever done, what an ass they are!

178 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:15:49am

re: #168 unclassifiable

I'm vaguely familiar with that phenomenon.

Howdy ctp!

Howdy. How's my favorite unique human lima bean doing today?

179 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:15:52am

re: #153 DistantThunder

I just read Night this year. The author is our friend's cousin. It is too brutal and horrific for 6th graders. The worst is when all the starving people are fighting each other for food in the cattle car. Horrific stuff.

That was my view of it too. I was kind of surprised when Goddess told me last spring that her school district teaches Night in 8th or 9th grade.

180 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:16:00am

re: #158 Killian Bundy

trig palin incest

/nope, not kidding

This is specially designed to rattle Sarah Palin - they know that no one will actually believe it - but why not torment her with it is the thinking of the Chicago Machine.

The Chicago Machine is after Sarah! She'll fight back.

181 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:16:04am

re: #129 reine.de.tout
As I said on the Dead Thread, he still looks like the kid who had his lunch money stolen from his skinny little butt everyday in school. And I mean college AND high school.
He is a vile, disgusting man. Not for "counting the months" (which would only be relevent IMO if they didn't get married) but he also put up a slur about how Sarah's child with Down's Syndrome maybe was born with Down's because she waited to travel home to give birth after her water broke. That last bit has been erased from his page, but it WAS there I saw it and it told me everything I ever needed or want to know about that son of a bitch.

182 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:16:08am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

And on Alan Colmes blog, he has counted the months between the Palins' marriage and the birth of their first son.

Let's assume that was true.
(a) How does that invalidate any of Palin's outlooks,
(b) Why was it a negative thing to then marry (and stay that way for 20 years)

Does Sarah Palin need to be pure as the driven snow?

If true, and it gets 'outed', my guess about Sarah Palin is that she'd say 'yes, but the real reason we eloped was financial. Didn't know I was pregnant at the time. Wouldn't have mattered. I still love him'.

183 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:16:12am

re: #167 MandyManners


Also, black is a formal color, and there's no fun in Islam!

And no love, beauty, freedom, knowledge, honor, common sense...

184 jcm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:16:25am

re: #172 FrogMarch

Colmes - What an asshole!

Let's count Colmes' brain cells!
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Give me a minute still looking!

185 esch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:16:30am

re: #152 jcm

THEY GOT MARRIED AND TOOK RESPONSIBILITY!

Alan's going for the typical lib "Republican hypocrisy" gambit. Sometimes it works. In this case, however I don't think most reasonable people will give a whit.

186 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:16:31am

re: #166 yma o hyd

Their deafening silence to the fate of the women in Afghanistan when the Taliban took over is their greatest shame.
That was another eye-opener for me ... something I shall never forgive them.

They are hypocrites through and through, and it just goes to show that women hate women too.

187 nikis-knight  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:16:32am

re: #160 Mordecai

Lesbians? In most Muslim countries they deny having homosexuals and/or condem it as a Western vice or affliction. That's why they hang them when they discover one.

Although being one of three wives to an abusive jerk while kept isolated from all other males would probably drive a lot of women to consider it. If not for the jealousy that things such as which wife is favored and who gave the better (ie, male) children to the man might not be conductive to warm feelings among wives, I'd guess.

188 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:16:50am

re: #179 galloping granny

That was my view of it too. I was kind of surprised when Goddess told me last spring that her school district teaches Night in 8th or 9th grade.

I read Escape in the 7th grade, but not for school.

189 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:17:14am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

And on Alan Colmes blog, he has counted the months between the Palins' marriage and the birth of their first son.

Liberal asshole Alan would have preferred that she had an abortion and that they never married. That's the pure and approved liberal way to live.
FUCK HIM.

190 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:17:15am

re: #170 jcm

IIRC I read a study while back on the wedding dates and first birth dates in some of the early colonies. The number of early first babies was rather high.

It was a tradition to actually get pregnant then married to determine fecundity during most of the middle ages - I learned this from my mentor, the sex therapist. Yes, i am still studying with her.

191 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:17:16am

re: #155 galloping granny

Why is it I never notice typos until after I have posted, no matter how much I preview?

LOL! Because you see what you expect to see, not what's really there.
Most people have a hard time proofing their own typing.

192 Shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:17:48am

Crusty crowd in here today.

I like it

193 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:17:56am

re: #157 DistantThunder

I was a 7 month-er.

My daughter was a 5 month-er.

194 unclassifiable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:18:14am

re: #178 christheprofessor

Enjoying a rare Sunday in my house. Been traveling a lot. And politics just got interestinger. All in all not bad for this human lima bean.

195 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:18:43am

re: #158 Killian Bundy

trig palin incest

/nope, not kidding

I did at least take care of the one at Yahoo Answers.

196 jaunte  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:18:45am

re: #185 esch

Colmes doesn't see his own hypocrisy in deploring an imagined behavior in a Republican that he would regard as inconsequential in a Democrat.

197 Darwin Akbar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:18:56am

As she sips her latter and ponders the question of whether the hijab or the halter top oppresses women the most, five Pakistani women are buried alive for "honor":

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

A few months ago, Wolf was on the Medved show defending her book about how Bushitler was turning the U.S. into Nazi Germany. When the host asked her to explain how this theory stood up in view of the Democrat takeover of both the House and the Senate, her reply was "It's just part of the plan!"

There is also a video of her at some bookstore appearance in the "Hot Air" archive where she also endorsed Trutherism.

My point is that she is just as nutty as any other Truther moonbat, albeit with better book sales.

198 calcajun  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:19:18am

re: #158 Killian Bundy

trig palin incest

/nope, not kidding

When I read this I am reminded of Robin Williams' line from "Good Morning, Vietnam" to a mean-spirited, up-tight J.T. Walsh:
You are in more dire need of a blow---b than any white man in history.

That idiot really need to get out more--and needs a girlfriend.

199 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:19:29am

re: #143 DistantThunder

Research in Egypt shows that it is the covered women that are actually subjected to the most physical and sexual harassment on the streets of Cairo. The men can easily identify who is the least powerful and the most degredated by who is most covered - and that is who they target.

Shocking concept for liberals: signs of weakness attract aggressors.

Did I post this link yet?

[Link: lawhawk.blogspot.com...]

200 Mordecai  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:19:35am

re: #64 cliffster

I'm not so sure. Galloping Granny makes an interesting, and sacary, point. It will be interesting to contrast the stage Obamessiah used with the one in which McCain will give his speech this week.

201 rightymouse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:19:54am
I learned that Muslim attitudes toward women’s appearance and sexuality are not rooted in repression, but in a strong sense of public versus private, of what is due to God and what is due to one’s husband. It is not that Islam suppresses sexuality, but that it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home.

lol! Since when do feminists like Naomi give a flying rat's patootey about anything that sustains family life?

And I hardly think that being forced to look like an eggplant achieves much of anything except..well...looking like an eggplant.

202 Shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:19:58am

re: #196 jaunte

Colmes doesn't see his own hypocrisy in deploring an imagined behavior in a Republican that he would regard as inconsequential in a Democrat.

He's upset that they married and that she didn't go on WIC and become an overweight democrat.

203 Billy Hank  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:19:58am

Naomi Wolf in full frontal prostration celebrates her imagined houri-hood. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

204 esch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:07am

Our 7 year old was a 4 month-er.

My at the time 14 year old stepdaughter spilled the beans AT THE WEDDING. Boy did that cause a buzz!

205 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:18am

re: #146 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And what's his conclusion regarding the number of angels who can dance upon the head of that pin?

/rhetorical question, don't tell me, I know already

How many?

206 mahatma coat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:20am

"it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home."

do you mean like in the west before the "me generation "turned it into a no holds barred free for all?

207 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:21am

re: #159 vagabond trader

I'm ashamed a lot of Jews are dems. Fie on them supporting a bigot who attended a racist antisemitic church for almost 20 years.No excuse, none.

Many of my fellow Catholics are dems, too. I think it has to do with "social justice" issues; they have forgotten (or don't see) that it is much better to lead a person to self-sufficiency, than to provide all.

208 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:25am

The more I hear from liberals, the more I think they should be glad that breathing involves involuntary muscle action, as they don't have the intellectual CPU power to even breath if they had to think about it.

209 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:31am

re: #184 jcm

Let's count Colmes' brain cells!
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Give me a minute still looking!

I've never really cared about Colmes - a minor annoyance - but this really pisses me off. He's now ranked with the worst the left has to offer. Colmes is a KOS, a MooreOn, a Rather.

210 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:45am

re: #177 Nevergiveup

You have more fortitude than I do. Really got into it with my Jewish friend last week. She was for Hil, bad enough, now supports the Obama. I pointed out the antisemitic aspect and in fine liberal fashion she countered that Jews are just as bad in Temple. Unbelievable from a highly educated woman, so afflicted with BDS she sent her oldest to school in Canada in case there was a draft.

211 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:48am

re: #174 victor_yugo

Once and for all:

Naomi Watts didn't write this!

Jet Girl fought too hard for freedom to give in to this kind of thinking.

Not buying it. Oprah has clawed her way to the top tooth and nail - and she's drunk the Koolaid. What makes you think Naomi is different?

212 yma o hyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:58am

re: #176 vagabond trader

Yma, good Towton link last week. Are you white rose or red? lol.

Glad you liked it - hereabouts (in Wales) we're neither, we hate the English and their Norman castles. Bloody occupiers and usurpators!


:-))

213 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:59am

re: #187 nikis-knight

Although being one of three wives to an abusive jerk while kept isolated from all other males would probably drive a lot of women to consider it. If not for the jealousy that things such as which wife is favored and who gave the better (ie, male) children to the man might not be conductive to warm feelings among wives, I'd guess.

What's the point of being a lesbian if your genitals have been mutilated - then it's just like kissing your sister.

Only the intervention of the west could have broken the back of this monstrous, clitoris-flaying, soul-murdering Islamism.

214 calcajun  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:20:59am

re: #180 DistantThunder

This is specially designed to rattle Sarah Palin - they know that no one will actually believe it - but why not torment her with it is the thinking of the Chicago Machine.

The Chicago Machine is after Sarah! She'll fight back.

Like there are lots of holes in the desert, there are lots of places people can get "lost" in Alaska. I'm sure the Barracuda will fend off these remarks.

215 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:21:04am

I thought leftist feminists were pro-choice, but muslim women have no choice yet leftist feminists make excuses for this. Deplorable. Hypocritical. I can't think of any other decent words to use except [deleted].

216 jaunte  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:21:05am

re: #202 Shug

Let's see: Mooseburger vs. government cheese...

217 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:21:16am

re: #191 reine.de.tout

LOL! Because you see what you expect to see, not what's really there.
Most people have a hard time proofing their own typing.

Read the sentences backwards.

218 Tigger2005  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:21:25am

re: #174 victor_yugo

Once and for all:

Naomi Watts didn't write this!

Jet Girl fought too hard for freedom to give in to this kind of thinking.

Well, there go my thought processes for today, thank you very much.

Did you know she's very good friends with fellow Aussie Nicole Kidman?

Now my brain has ceased functioning entirely.

219 lawhawk  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:21:31am

And to underscore the point that Islamists are misogynists and no one should take Wolf seriously, a Pakistani legislator is defending honor killing. Why is he defending it?

Because it's what they've always done:

A Pakistani lawmaker defended a decision by southwestern tribesmen to bury five women alive because they wanted to choose their own husbands, telling stunned members of Parliament this week to spare him their outrage.

"These are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them," Israr Ullah Zehri, who represents Baluchistan province, said Saturday. "Only those who indulge in immoral acts should be afraid."

Evil. Pure evil.

But he's okay with it because it's tradition.

220 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:21:41am

re: #84 Nevergiveup

damn metric system!

221 jemima  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:21:41am

Has Alan counted how many woman Billy Jeff porked when in office? Or JFK for that matter?

222 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:21:49am

re: #194 unclassifiable

Enjoying a rare Sunday in my house. Been traveling a lot. And politics just got interestinger. All in all not bad for this human lima bean.

That's good to hear. I'll be glad when November 5th rolls around, but I have to say this last week has been a pleasure watching the Dems stumble through their convention and then having McCain bitch-slap them on Friday...

223 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:22:01am

re: #215 Sharmuta

I thought leftist feminists were pro-choice, but muslim women have no choice yet leftist feminists make excuses for this. Deplorable. Hypocritical. I can't think of any other decent words to use except [deleted].

Liberals: Cognitive contortionists.

224 richiep  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:22:01am

For a woman to wear the head scarf, burka, hijab, or chador as a sign of their Muslim faith is not an issue. Being forced to wear them because of fear of stoning, burning, or getting their throats slit is an issue.

A very poor example of a man to inflict that kind of punishment over a piece of cloth. The world is moving forward with or without the Muslims. It is their choice to join or remain locked in a thirteenth century mindset.

225 ozzelfinch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:22:08am

Idiot... you just haven't lived until you've witnessed the freedom and privacy of a 12 year old girl punched repeatedly in the face by her father because you handed her a box of cookies for her little siblings. I am sure that she will freely 'choose' to express her sexuality any way she wants given the warm supportive environment she is raised in.

Anyone who thinks they can just show up in the middle east and talk in a group setting and receive objective open information/opinion's from the middle easterners has no clue about that society. We have no real idea in the West about what it really means to live with 'big brother' watching all the time from everywhere.

226 lawhawk  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:22:38am

re: #219 lawhawk

link.

227 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:22:39am

re: #200 Mordecai

I'm not so sure. Galloping Granny makes an interesting, and sacary, point. It will be interesting to contrast the stage Obamessiah used with the one in which McCain will give his speech this week.

I like Zen Minimalism.

228 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:23:07am

re: #205 MandyManners

How many?

Heh ... my point was in the labeling his obsessive, even assinine, nitpicking -- angels on the head of a pin.

229 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:23:12am

re: #224 richiep

For a woman to wear the head scarf, burka, hijab, or chador as a sign of their Muslim faith is not an issue. Being forced to wear them because of fear of stoning, burning, or getting their throats slit is an issue.

A very poor example of a man to inflict that kind of punishment over a piece of cloth. The world is moving forward with or without the Muslims. It is their choice to join or remain locked in a thirteenth century mindset.

what he richiep said. ding.

230 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:23:15am

re: #211 galloping granny

Not buying it. Oprah has clawed her way to the top tooth and nail - and she's drunk the Koolaid. What makes you think Naomi is different?

No no no, Tank Girl's best friend.

231 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:23:22am

re: #212 yma o hyd

lol, kind of got that impression visiting Wales years ago.

232 Llanite  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:23:22am

I'm afraid I don't follow feminist liberation theology very closely, so when I saw the idiotic attitude espoused by Naomi Wolf I did a little reading on Wikipedia for a 10,000ft view of her work. What I found was that she was against pornography and against abortion - surprising!

Reading a little further, I understand her philosophy now - Wolf is perceptive enough to diagnose the symptoms of a disease, but appears intellectually unable to look deeper for a root cause. This is why she can (as other readers have pointed out) support the talking points of a muslim woman's interest in private/family-oriented sexuality but completely miss the fact that they are making the best of a situation that is forced on them (forced with frequent violence, murder, and mutilation I might add) by the most misogynistic faith on the earth today.

I find this inability to do root-cause analysis fairly common among 'intellectual' liberals - the talking points surrounding the latest attacks on Palin are part and parcel to this odd intellectual short-fall.

233 nines09  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:23:31am

Never does it cease to amaze and anger me. This is absolute and total elitist self righteous bile that flows non stop from these truly morally bankrupt idiots. One who can leave the oven will not cry over being the meal. Understanding my ass.

234 yma o hyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:23:33am

re: #191 reine.de.tout

LOL! Because you see what you expect to see, not what's really there.
Most people have a hard time proofing their own typing.

That is sooo true!

235 daddyo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:23:41am

re: #207 reine.de.tout

...it is much better to lead a person to self-sufficiency, than to provide all.


Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for the rest of his life

Give a man a match and he'll stay warm for a day
Light a man on fire and he'll stay warm for the rest of his life

236 Shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:23:51am

Is Colmes just auditioning for his own show on MSNBC?

He'll need to kick his bile up a notch

237 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:24:06am

re: #224 richiep

It is their choice to join or remain locked in a thirteenth century mindset.

Try Sixth Century. The Thirteenth Century is far too enlightened for the islamics.

238 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:24:14am

Fighting DV among Muslims in America.

[Link: www.soundvision.com...]

bbl

239 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:24:16am

re: #204 esch

Our 7 year old was a 4 month-er.

My at the time 14 year old stepdaughter spilled the beans AT THE WEDDING. Boy did that cause a buzz!

One of my sisters finally got around to getting married when her son was old enough to be ring bearer. It was kind of cute.

240 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:24:16am

re: #182 jwb7605

Let's assume that was true.
(a) How does that invalidate any of Palin's outlooks,
(b) Why was it a negative thing to then marry (and stay that way for 20 years)

Does Sarah Palin need to be pure as the driven snow?

If true, and it gets 'outed', my guess about Sarah Palin is that she'd say 'yes, but the real reason we eloped was financial. Didn't know I was pregnant at the time. Wouldn't have mattered. I still love him'.

Fact is, at this point, it just simply doesn't matter. Like you said, they have been married for 20 years. And they have another 4 children that they have (and are) raising. And it does not in any way invalidate any of Palin's outlooks.

241 jcm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:24:44am

re: #223 DistantThunder

Liberals: Cognitive contortionists.


They are Klein Bottles.

It's closed and non-orientable, so a symbol on its surface can be slid around on it and reappear backwards at the same place.You can't do this trick on a sphere, doughnut, or pet ferret -- they're orientable.
242 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:24:47am
It is not that Islam suppresses sexuality, but that it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home.

Naomi Wolf -- I know you are reading this. And I have this to say to you:

How can you live with yourself? You are not a stupid woman. You MUST know that you are betraying not only your priniciples but are also betraying half a billion Muslim women around the world, whose only hope for liberation comes from the social mores of the liberated West. Your disgusting and deeply dishonest excuse-making for Islamic attitudes toward women has totally destroyed a lifetime's worth of work on your part. Prior to this, even if people disagreed with you, it could be said that you were at least consistent. But now you have become nothing but the rankest hypocrite, someone who will spew any absurdity as long as (in your imagination) it confronts the Western White Patriarchy.

Naomi, weren't the Puritans merely expressing an "appropriate channelling" of women's sexuality? And yet, you spent your entire adult life fighting against what the Puritans practiced and believed. And yet when Muslims do the EXACT SAME THING, you defend it. This reveals that all along you goal has not been to defend women, but rather to overthrow Western civilization. Your ruse has been exposed for all to see. Your usefulness as a propagandist for the revolution is over.

Shame, shame on you Naomi Wolf.

243 calcajun  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:24:58am

The problem here, too, is that Ms. Wolff probably does not even realize that she is an unwitting propagandist. She's no different than all the morons that gave glowing reviews of Nazi Germany and how well things worked there--and that all the Jews they met seemed perfectly happy.

Sigh

244 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:25:03am

re: #196 jaunte

Colmes doesn't see his own hypocrisy in deploring an imagined behavior in a Republican that he would regard as inconsequential in a Democrat.

Let him keep talking. Other than the liberal looney left, the more he opens that rat hole of his that passes for a mouth, the more support there will be for Sarah.

245 LC LaWedgie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:25:07am

You'd a thunk the left's romance with the Sheik of Araby would've died about 1949, at the latest 1984... I guess there's just too many old National Geographics laying around.

246 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:25:15am

re: #207 reine.de.tout

Many of my fellow Catholics are dems, too. I think it has to do with "social justice" issues; they have forgotten (or don't see) that it is much better to lead a person to self-sufficiency, than to provide all.

Build a man a fire, warm him for a day. Set a man on fire, warm him for the rest of his life...

247 unclassifiable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:25:41am

re: #208 christheprofessor

They would have to form a committee to investigate this "breathing thing's" contribution to carbon dioxide levels.

/socialism is for people who have nothing to lose and want to lose other people's stuff

248 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:26:10am

you goal = your goal

249 Shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:26:18am

re: #242 zombie

That is so well stated. That needs it's own flippy triangle on the left margin

250 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:26:28am

re: #221 jemima

Has Alan counted how many woman Billy Jeff porked when in office? Or JFK for that matter?

I am still pretty pissed that Billy would have at it with an intern on the historic desk in the Oval Office.

251 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:26:34am

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta go mush some lunch!
I hope you all have a great day, that all of our friends get out of Gustav's way and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

252 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:26:56am

re: #242 zombie

Up-ding!
Precisely.

253 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:26:59am

re: #248 zombie

you goal = your goal

Are you home or in Minneapolis?

254 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:27:01am

re: #219 lawhawk

And to underscore the point that Islamists are misogynists and no one should take Wolf seriously, a Pakistani legislator is defending honor killing. Why is he defending it?

Because it's what they've always done:


Evil. Pure evil.

But he's okay with it because it's tradition.

Some MP's and others are fighting back.

[Link: www.thepeninsulaqatar.com...]

bbl fer shure

255 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:27:08am

re: #242 zombie

Her drivel never roped me in.

256 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:27:42am

I'd like to treat Naomi Wolf like a traditional muslim wife for a month then see what kind of tune she sings. What a clueless, brain dead, moral equivelance asshat she is.

257 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:27:45am

You know, in some way this disruption of the convention might be the best thing that has happened to the Republican party in a long time. Neither Bush nor Cheney will be attending the convention and I cannot help but think that this might be very, very good for McCain-Palin.

258 Daisy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:27:47am

Naomi Wolfe? Isn't she the one Al Gore employed to give him man lessons?

Mz. Wolfe, self-proclaimed beauty, ought to pay attention to Gov. Palin in order to get some lessons in womanliness, a subject she's clearly confused about. Sarah Palin looks the way she looks because she's married to a man like her husband - a man who doesn't need man lessons. Muslims who hate women enough to 'disappear' woman ought to pay attention ( for the same reasons as Mz. Wolfe) to Mr. & Mrs. Palin.

259 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:27:52am

re: #250 galloping granny

I am still pretty pissed that Billy would have at it with an intern on the historic desk in the Oval Office.

Especially a rather unattractive one. I mean one must have standards!

260 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:27:58am

re: #219 lawhawk

And to underscore the point that Islamists are misogynists and no one should take Wolf seriously, a Pakistani legislator is defending honor killing. Why is he defending it?

Because it's what they've always done:

Evil. Pure evil.

But he's okay with it because it's tradition.

Without a "Savior" in Islam, Allah is the ultimate ferocious retaliatory authority. He simply adds up all the good deeds and the bad deeds and gets a box score. A bad deed is tolerating "evil" in those around you - so entire villages seek out these scapegoats to ward off the wrath of Allah.

The look at the girls and think: It's either you or me, babe - and I'm not taking the fall for your mistakes.

Christianity says - Everyone will be judge for their own behavior and it will be based on context, prior understanding of God's commandments, and repentance. Sins are remembered no more by God, if we repent, due to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ who took our sins upon him.

It is an enormous burden removed that I don't have to judge anyone else because that will be done by God - and we will not be held collectively responsible for the sins of others.

261 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:28:05am

re: #253 Nevergiveup

Are you home or in Minneapolis?

Home.

262 jemima  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:28:09am

#250

They delight in using the rules against us while feeling free to break them with impunity.

263 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:28:56am

re: #261 zombie

Home.

Are you headed to the RNC?

264 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:29:08am

re: #211 galloping granny

Not buying it. Oprah has clawed her way to the top tooth and nail - and she's drunk the Koolaid. What makes you think Naomi is different?

Naomi Wolf wrote it, not Naomi Watts.

265 LC LaWedgie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:29:56am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Maybe she's a reformed liberal.

266 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:30:06am

re: #259 Nevergiveup

Although there is a rather amusing footnote. It has been reported that one of their encounters kept Yasir Arafat cooling his heels in the waiting room. lol!

267 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:30:26am

re: #263 Nevergiveup

Are you headed to the RNC?

Nope.

268 Tigger2005  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:30:29am

Way OT...but I can't resist the urge to brag...

I was at a town fair Friday night and the Marines had a booth up with a chinup bar. I watched three guys who were probably 16-18 struggle to do even one chinup. And these were pretty healthy looking kids, not overweight, looked like they probably played sports.

I jumped up to the bar and did 11 chinups, easily.

I'm 42!

269 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:30:29am

re: #247 unclassifiable

They would have to form a committee to investigate this "breathing thing's" contribution to carbon dioxide levels.

/socialism is for people who have nothing to lose and want to lose other people's stuff

Mucho true, I'm afraid...

270 Darwin Akbar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:31:10am

This is an excerpt from an e-mail that I sent to a friend, a liberal woman and staunch Hill fan, who has strongly asserted that media sexism was in large part responsible for Hill's defeat. I told her that if she thought the treatment of Hill was sexist, as Al Jolson would say, "you ain't heard nothin' yet!":

In fact, true to form, NOW's press release attacks her for not being in favor of "women's own self interests" (i.e., abortion), and gives us this as one of their reasons:

"Palin also had to withdraw her appointment of a top public safety commissioner who had been reprimanded for sexual harassment, although Palin had been warned about his background through letters by the sexual harassment complainant."

First, given that Sarah Palin is a woman too, as are many pro-lifers, since when do only liberal women know what's in "a woman's self interest."

Second, regarding this "sexual harassment" issue, here's a question for NOW: What Senator and former Presidential candidate and favorite of NOW was - and is - MARRIED to a serial philander who (1) engaged in a tawdry affair with a woman prior to his election to national office and went on 60 Minutes with his little woman to lie about it to the country and save his candidacy (both of whom later admitted it had indeed happened); (2) engaged in a lengthy affair with a young subordinate in the White House for years, repeatedly lied about it to the country and his cabinet, perjured himself under oath about it and was impeached and disbarred for perjury and obstruction of justice; (3) engaged in sexual harassment of a state employee, tried to obstruct justice when she sued but wound up paying her a huge sum of money to settle the case; (4) while President, had to give a blood test to the FBI so his DNA could be matched with a semen-stained dress; (5) had a long-time assistant who has been quoted as confirming that Arkansas state troopers had helped solicit women for him and who revealed that in 1987 she had personally tried to dissuade him from running for President by presenting him with a list of his purported lovers; (6) had been credibly accused of groping a woman named Kathleen Willey in the Oval Office; (7) had been credibly accused of raping a woman named Juanita Broaddrick while governor ("Better put some ice on that"); and (8) is the only know former President whose lawyers kept a form affidavit on file that read: I _______(insert your name here)_____ attest that I did not have sex with William Jefferson Clinton."

271 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:31:11am

re: #266 vagabond trader

Although there is a rather amusing footnote. It has been reported that one of their encounters kept Yasir Arafat cooling his heels in the waiting room. lol!

I heard that. The only thing I could think, was how does one get it up with that image waiting outside?

272 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:31:30am

re: #260 DistantThunder

Without a "Savior" in Islam, Allah is the ultimate ferocious retaliatory authority. He simply adds up all the good deeds and the bad deeds and gets a box score. A bad deed is tolerating "evil" in those around you - so entire villages seek out these scapegoats to ward off the wrath of Allah.

The look at the girls and think: It's either you or me, babe - and I'm not taking the fall for your mistakes.

Christianity says - Everyone will be judge for their own behavior and it will be based on context, prior understanding of God's commandments, and repentance. Sins are remembered no more by God, if we repent, due to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ who took our sins upon him.

It is an enormous burden removed that I don't have to judge anyone else because that will be done by God - and we will not be held collectively responsible for the sins of others.

Which does not in the least mean that you should not use every ounce of the good judgement G_d gave you and instead simply accept everything as equally "good" or moral.

273 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:31:55am

What kills me is the number of Western women who get sweet-talked into a relationship by muslim men, then get married and talked into (or forced) to go back to the ME with their new husbands. Suddenly, the relationship turns hostile and the woman's rights are stripped away. He confiscates her passport. He beats her into submission and locks her away in her new home, never to be heard from again. And God help her if she has any kids with the man! And if she attempts to leave? We've all heard the TRUE stories of these women.

Yet, islam holds women in the "highest esteem". Sure. Right.

274 moonbatattack  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:32:04am
the Taliban were demonised

Once again, the morally reprobate post-modern narrative of evil being victimized by good. Is this a joke?

275 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:32:19am

re: #232 Llanite

I'm afraid I don't follow feminist liberation theology very closely, so when I saw the idiotic attitude espoused by Naomi Wolf I did a little reading on Wikipedia for a 10,000ft view of her work. What I found was that she was against pornography and against abortion - surprising!

Reading a little further, I understand her philosophy now - Wolf is perceptive enough to diagnose the symptoms of a disease, but appears intellectually unable to look deeper for a root cause. This is why she can (as other readers have pointed out) support the talking points of a muslim woman's interest in private/family-oriented sexuality but completely miss the fact that they are making the best of a situation that is forced on them (forced with frequent violence, murder, and mutilation I might add) by the most misogynistic faith on the earth today.

I find this inability to do root-cause analysis fairly common among 'intellectual' liberals - the talking points surrounding the latest attacks on Palin are part and parcel to this odd intellectual short-fall.

I'd call that domesticated terrorism.

276 So?  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:32:23am

Spend a year with your muslim cohorts, then come back and report Ms. Wolf.

I love how these celeb writers/journalists/entertainers: Babaw Walters/Dianne Sawyer/Naomi Wolf go and spend 3-4 hours with a few muslim women and come back with their so-called enlightened "insight".

277 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:32:30am

re: #268 Tigger2005

Way OT...but I can't resist the urge to brag...

I was at a town fair Friday night and the Marines had a booth up with a chinup bar. I watched three guys who were probably 16-18 struggle to do even one chinup. And these were pretty healthy looking kids, not overweight, looked like they probably played sports.

I jumped up to the bar and did 11 chinups, easily.

I'm 42!

Yeah, but the bar was only 4' off the ground! ;)

278 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:32:55am

re: #259 Nevergiveup

The term is "easy" or "loose".

279 Tigger2005  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:33:18am

re: #277 christheprofessor

Yeah, but the bar was only 4' off the ground! ;)

Ah, but I am three feet tall! ;)

280 Daisy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:33:31am

re: #268 Tigger2005

Way OT...but I can't resist the urge to brag...

I was at a town fair Friday night and the Marines had a booth up with a chinup bar. I watched three guys who were probably 16-18 struggle to do even one chinup. And these were pretty healthy looking kids, not overweight, looked like they probably played sports.

I jumped up to the bar and did 11 chinups, easily.

I'm 42!

Wow! What's your secret?!

281 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:33:36am

re: #268 Tigger2005

Way OT...but I can't resist the urge to brag...

I was at a town fair Friday night and the Marines had a booth up with a chinup bar. I watched three guys who were probably 16-18 struggle to do even one chinup. And these were pretty healthy looking kids, not overweight, looked like they probably played sports.

I jumped up to the bar and did 11 chinups, easily.

I'm 42!

Wow! Even in high school, I could barely do one (in order to pass the "Presidential Fitness Test" or whatever it was called -- Arnold S. used to promote it). I had (and have) weak arms.

11 chinups is astounding!

282 just another four-letter word  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:34:14am

re: #148 victor_yugo

re: #138 christheprofessor

Black hides the curves, you see...

And the blood from the beatings.

And the bomb belts.

And let's not forget the getaway Burquas'...

JAFLW

283 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:34:21am

re: #271 Nevergiveup

Bill always struck me as a pretty warped guy, prolly turned him on. Yecccchhhh! Brain bleach, where'd I put it?

284 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:34:37am

re: #242 zombie

Excellent post!

Your disgusting and deeply dishonest excuse-making for Islamic attitudes toward women has totally destroyed a lifetime's worth of work on your part.

285 Nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:34:43am

re: #278 6pat6

The term is "easy" or "loose".

Your President of the USA. You can have most ANY women in the world, and that is what you pick? And you wonder why he picked Madeline Albright as Sec of State?

286 steveoh  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:34:55am

re: #232 Llanite

As I said earlier. Moral Relativism. It the excuse leftist feminists use to march side by side with Hezbollah. It is taught in all of our Ivy League Universities and in most colleges in the USA. It is the gravest threat to our society. The best defenser is a good offense, which is why sites like Memri and others are so important.

Now how to get the left to see the root cause as Islam itself?

287 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:35:19am

Naomi Wolf Yapper

288 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #279 Tigger2005

Ah, but I am three feet tall! ;)

Ha! I'm 4'18" myself...

289 So?  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:35:32am

re: #273 6pat6

What kills me is the number of Western women who get sweet-talked into a relationship by muslim men, then get married and talked into (or forced) to go back to the ME with their new husbands. Suddenly, the relationship turns hostile and the woman's rights are stripped away. He confiscates her passport. He beats her into submission and locks her away in her new home, never to be heard from again. And God help her if she has any kids with the man! And if she attempts to leave? We've all heard the TRUE stories of these women.

Yet, islam holds women in the "highest esteem". Sure. Right.

Hey, they don't even have to go back, many a (Muslim-Westerner) relationship here in the West has turned ugly once the woman becomes a bride.

290 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:35:43am

re: #285 Nevergiveup

Liberal women tend to be butt-ugly. Not much beauty in LibLand, either, much like Mo-Land.

291 CofactorMatrix  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:36:14am

It works like this: Muslims represent a "victim" group, a quaint community of ignorant peasants who would be perfect clients for the condescension of the liberal crowd. So, when judging such "inferiors" (who must, in public discourse, be accorded their "rights" and appropriate "inclusive" verbiage in a shallow attempt to hide the underlying disdain), the standards by which we judge the evil "western culture" are suspended. Otherwise, the contradiction would have to be addressed explicitly, which, of course, would mean admitting the hypocrisy.

292 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:36:18am

re: #289 So?

True.

293 steveoh  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:36:31am

sorry typo. Best defense.

294 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:36:32am

re: #276 So?

Reminds me of the ubiquitous neighbor tsk tsking when the serial killer next door is captured. He was such a nice polite guy.

295 shoeless  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:36:42am

Maybe Ms. Wolf should take a moment to really look at how the women of Islam are free:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Sick...

296 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:36:45am

Chin ups ain't shit. It is pull ups that test your ability to lift your own weight. Chin ups use your biceps, pull ups use your triceps, back side of arm. I can only do five of those damn things. Chin ups, about 15 and I'm 49! Drives the 15 year old nuts. He'll beat me this year though.

297 Tigger2005  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:37:05am

re: #280 Daisy

Wow! What's your secret?!

Started with losing weight...I had gotten up to 230 lbs and am down to 185 now. I run and work out with weights. Have a chinup bar at home and have been doing wide angle pullups for the back & lats and narrow grip chins for the biceps. I wear ankle weights a lot when doing chinups. About time to add some more weight...

298 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:37:08am

re: #285 Nevergiveup

Your President of the USA. You can have most ANY women in the world, and that is what you pick? And you wonder why he picked Madeline Albright as Sec of State?

Yeah, I never could figure that one out, either. After sex, she smoked a ham...

299 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:37:09am

re: #281 zombie

Wow! Even in high school, I could barely do one (in order to pass the "Presidential Fitness Test" or whatever it was called -- Arnold S. used to promote it). I had (and have) weak arms.

11 chinups is astounding!

Its a girl thing. Like having up and down the same position while doing a "pushup". Due to differences in shoulder structure.

300 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:37:55am

re: #298 christheprofessor

LOL!

301 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:38:13am

re: #272 galloping granny

Which does not in the least mean that you should not use every ounce of the good judgement G_d gave you and instead simply accept everything as equally "good" or moral.

I can judge behavior has healthy or unhealthy - I can judge a person as toxic or not - But I don't have to DO anything about it.

I don't have to go after that person and seek justice - unless that is my job as a civil servant seeking justice for a crime. Or as politician seeking reform. Or as a mother protecting my child. My scope of required action regarding individuals is narrowed to my own scope of personal responsibility.

302 mean Gene  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:38:33am

Which Middle Eastern country has a parliament getting a serious report about whether females EVER need to leave their houses?
It was either Kuwait or Yemen or another one in the news.
Gee, I wonder if she could have even had her conversations with all those females IF they had needed to get to another place instead of her going to their place?
She had a card forced on her and didn't even question it.

303 debutaunt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:38:46am

re: #78 galloping granny

Note those two little wings off to each side on the Brandenburg Gate and Obama's Coronation Stage that we never could quite reconcile with any building or monument in Washington.

Damn! What a swell homage to Hitler.

304 Daisy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:38:59am

re: #297 Tigger2005

Congratulations! That's a real - and inspiring - achievement.

305 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:39:06am

re: #291 CofactorMatrix

It works like this: Muslims represent a "victim" group, a quaint community of ignorant peasants who would be perfect clients for the condescension of the liberal crowd. So, when judging such "inferiors" (who must, in public discourse, be accorded their "rights" and appropriate "inclusive" verbiage in a shallow attempt to hide the underlying disdain), the standards by which we judge the evil "western culture" are suspended. Otherwise, the contradiction would have to be addressed explicitly, which, of course, would mean admitting the hypocrisy.

Excellent! Perfectly put.

306 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:39:08am
the Taliban were demonised

Translation: "I shall help the enemy of mine enemy, whomever that might be, to ascend into heaven."

307 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:39:18am

re: #300 6pat6

LOL!

Her favorite snack cracker is Wheat Thicks...

308 lostlakehiker  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:39:59am

re: #111 nikis-knight

No, I'm pretty sure even mainstream Islam represses sexuality, perhaps not violently so, but certainly more than other religions.

Let's not be so fast to snigger about sexuality in the Islamic world. Marriage and family are, after all, compatible with a robustly happy sex life.

There's a Piet Hein poem roughly to the effect that those who take their earnestness in earnest, and their fun as merely fun, understand neither one. Sex is both fun and earnest. The birthrate in the Islamic world is evidence that something is working on the earnest side.

One reason otherwise moderate Muslims are so suspicious of the West is that they think we want them to adopt all our vices. They worry that if they accept any part of our ways that they'll somehow be stuck with gay marriage, not-that-soft porn all over billboards, and abortion mills thick as Starbucks. They fear that our Madison Avenue means of persuasion will overpower their culture and history, and pretty soon, they see violence against the west as simple self defense. This line of thinking is sadly mistaken, but bad thinking comes naturally even to reasonably bright people, when the skids are greased just so.

309 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:40:14am

re: #298 christheprofessor

Yeah, I never could figure that one out, either. After sex, she smoked a ham...

Look at Helen Thomas - or don't.

310 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:40:57am

re: #56 galloping granny

The set looked like a cross between the Brandenburg Gate, the Parthenon, and the White House.

Hey, B-HO --- "Lincoln Memorial", my ass! In your wildest dreams!

311 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:41:17am

re: #303 debutaunt

Damn! What a swell homage to Hitler.

HItler the uber-fascist - the pieces are all coming together.

312 christheprofessor  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:41:34am

re: #309 DistantThunder

Look at Helen Thomas - or don't.

I always thought the 72 virgins are comprised of Helen Thomases and male Trekkies...

313 Tigger2005  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:41:44am

re: #299 galloping granny

Its a girl thing. Like having up and down the same position while doing a "pushup". Due to differences in shoulder structure.

Don't say that to "Vasquez" from Aliens...

"Hey Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken for a man?"

"No. Have you?"

314 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:41:50am

re: #310 6pat6

Not going to get his s-mug carved into Mt Rushmore either.

315 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:41:52am

re: #309 DistantThunder

She LOOKS like a smoked ham! The essence of Liberal beauty! Wow, what an oxymoron!

316 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:42:10am

re: #268 Tigger2005

Way OT...but I can't resist the urge to brag...

I was at a town fair Friday night and the Marines had a booth up with a chinup bar. I watched three guys who were probably 16-18 struggle to do even one chinup. And these were pretty healthy looking kids, not overweight, looked like they probably played sports.

I jumped up to the bar and did 11 chinups, easily.

I'm 42!

Anymore, I'd have to have a "chin up" bar -- one I could put my chin up to.

317 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:42:11am

re: #310 6pat6

The set looked like a cross between the Brandenburg Gate, the Parthenon, and the White House.

Hey, B-HO --- "Lincoln Memorial", my ass! In your wildest dreams!

I think it is almost entirely Brandenburg Gate.

318 blangwort  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:42:45am

So Ms. Wolf focused on the traditional dress. Gee. And it's not so oppressive after all. Wow. What about daily life?

I wonder if she tried to get in a car and drive? Did she try to live as a single woman? Did she try to purchase a house? What was the working world like for her?

Could it be that the clothing covered more than just here eyes and ears?

319 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:43:13am

re: #312 christheprofessor

I always thought the 72 virgins are comprised of Helen Thomases and male Trekkies...

Nope. Just a younger, 72-year-old Helen Thomas.

320 Naso Tang  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:43:23am

Somehow I find it difficult to believe that a "famous" western writer who, as an unknown woman would not have been allowed to travel unaccompanied by a man to many Muslim countries, actually met with many "average" Muslim women. There is no doubt that the rich and educated may often enjoy their protected cocoon, and since Muslim men are so sexually frustrated most of their lives, it can be quite an unpleasant experience for any woman to show even their face in some parts of Islam because of the resultant stares and worse from the average man in the street.

So, the answer to the question depends on the circumstances referenced. Many Muslim women will indeed see making themselves as invisible as possible as a blessing and not a hardship, because they have no alternative choices.

The better question would be to ask non Muslim women why they do not avail themselves of the same protections, since they do have the right to do so.

321 nikis-knight  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:43:34am

re: #308 lostlakehiker

Let's not be so fast to snigger about sexuality in the Islamic world. Marriage and family are, after all, compatible with a robustly happy sex life.

Sure, I agree. But Muslim culture is as extreme as the libertine of Western cities, just in the opposite direction.

It isn't terrible for a woman to be in the same room as an unrelated man, just like it isn't terrible for two people to marry as virgins.

322 lostlakehiker  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:43:51am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

And on Alan Colmes blog, he has counted the months between the Palins' marriage and the birth of their first son.

And his point would be what? That she should have had an abortion? That even Christians can get carried away by hormones? Colmes is a twit.

323 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:44:13am

re: #308 lostlakehiker

Let's not be so fast to snigger about sexuality in the Islamic world. Marriage and family are, after all, compatible with a robustly happy sex life.

There's a Piet Hein poem roughly to the effect that those who take their earnestness in earnest, and their fun as merely fun, understand neither one. Sex is both fun and earnest. The birthrate in the Islamic world is evidence that something is working on the earnest side.

One reason otherwise moderate Muslims are so suspicious of the West is that they think we want them to adopt all our vices. They worry that if they accept any part of our ways that they'll somehow be stuck with gay marriage, not-that-soft porn all over billboards, and abortion mills thick as Starbucks. They fear that our Madison Avenue means of persuasion will overpower their culture and history, and pretty soon, they see violence against the west as simple self defense. This line of thinking is sadly mistaken, but bad thinking comes naturally even to reasonably bright people, when the skids are greased just so.

They have 10 kids because the women have no control over saying yes or no. They are completely controlled - do not assume that it is love - or working. The plumbing is obviously working, but that does not a sophisticated loving relationship make - especially if one person has a much higher social status (men) that then other (women.)

324 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:44:41am

Hup hup, no convention for Bush. Proof positive that he's somehow responsible for the coming hurricane.

sarc/

325 Tigger2005  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:45:27am

re: #316 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Anymore, I'd have to have a "chin up" bar -- one I could put my chin up to.

As you get older, lifting weights is THE thing to do. I don't think this is emphasized enough. Walking is fine and all, but a lot of people as they get older just let their muscles go. Lifting weights also helps keep your tendons and bones strong.

326 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:45:51am

re: #319 6pat6

I always thought the 72 virgins are comprised of Helen Thomases and male Trekkies...

Nope. Just a younger, 72-year-old Helen Thomas.

Ahhh, "72 and a Virgin" = Helen Thomas

327 WayDownSouthInBama  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:46:20am
It is not that Islam suppresses sexuality, but that it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home.

So that's why those teenage girls were shot,thrown in a ditch,and buried alive the other day? Damn,I could have sworn it was because they oppress women and treat them worse than animals. Silly me. Imagine my surprise to lean from this moron that it was due to Islams high regard for the institutions of marriage and family.

328 nikis-knight  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:46:46am

re: #322 lostlakehiker

That only perfect people should ever advocate any morality, so any republican who ever sinned is discredited, even if they have mostly exemplarly lives and perfectly reasonable views.

Or, really, that Obama should win the election, and that stupid conservatives will vote for him if the VP they otherwise love once sinned.

329 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:47:01am

Now Pres. Bush won't be at the convention for a legitimate reason and the Libs were hoping to tie him directly to McCain during the convention.

Rove, you magnificent, B@stard.

330 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:48:09am

re: #327 WayDownSouthInBama

So that's why those teenage girls were shot,thrown in a ditch,and buried alive the other day? Damn,I could have sworn it was because they oppress women and treat them worse than animals. Silly me. Imagine my surprise to lean from this moron that it was due to Islams high regard for the institutions of marriage and family.

It's channeling alright but without legitimate choice - Therefore it is not moral. Islam is all about force of the moral good - and therefore - barbarity ensues.

331 6pat6  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:48:45am

re: #317 galloping granny

I think it is almost entirely Brandenburg Gate.

I see the Parthenon there, more than anything else.

332 piglet-u93  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:49:11am

Naomi Wolf does not believe what she is saying. It is merely a tactic encouraging the demise of Western civilzation. The destruction of the west (USA) would fulfill her lifelong dream.

333 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:50:24am

re: #331 6pat6

I see the Parthenon there, more than anything else.

The two are somewhat similar, but really only in the sense of the pillared arcade. If you look at a picture of the Parthenon, the piece that tops the pillars is triangular.

334 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:54:28am

honor killings ...

naomi wolf ...

your thoughts?

335 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:56:15am
Anymore, I'd have to have a "chin up" bar -- one I could put my chin up to.

re: #325 Tigger2005

As you get older, lifting weights is THE thing to do. I don't think this is emphasized enough. Walking is fine and all, but a lot of people as they get older just let their muscles go. Lifting weights also helps keep your tendons and bones strong.

I get up and down from the chair in front of the computer. Surely THAT must count for something!

/desperate

336 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:57:54am

re: #334 _RememberTonyC

honor killings ...

naomi wolf ...

your thoughts?

/lead us not into temptation

337 MadJadBad  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:58:32am

I would like to hear her opinion about the treatment of women in that "Yearning for Zion Ranch" FLDS cult in Texas who all wear late 1800's style dresses and 1940's hairdos. I doubt it would be positive.

338 godfrey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:01:00am

Thus leftist wishful thinking trumps its supposed principles. Again.

339 huckfunn  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:01:27am

Ah, yes... the religion of bondage and pedophilia finally explained... by a feminist no less. EGAD!

340 paradox42  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:03:08am

If Naomi Wolf is so enamored of the treatment of Muslim women, perhaps she should move to an Islamic country. I'll chip in for the plane tickets, provided they're one-way.

341 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:04:51am

re: #322 lostlakehiker

And his point would be what? That she should have had an abortion? That even Christians can get carried away by hormones? Colmes is a twit.

I think some leftists think that right-leaning religious folks think that sex is the biggest sin in the world.

It isn't.

342 wintercat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:20:31am

"What they do (Islamic women) is not our problem. That is their culture and it is really none of our business. We can't do anything about it."

This is the comment a very intelligent, well educated, upper middle class, socially active feminist woman (Democrat) acquaintance of mine made during a discussion we were having on the subject of the middle east's (mis)treatment of women. She is not alone in her thinking. There are a lot of other women who have the same opinion. I am not one of them.

343 mean Gene  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:21:55am

Some time ago I read that a medical web site for ''women's problems'' was getting huge numbers of hits from private computers in Saudi Arabia.
Turns out there are tone of women there who have no access to medical care (unless hubby approves it) so they look for their symptoms on line in hopes of slf treatments.
Their biggest problem?
Prolapsed uterus.
That's from having too many children, too close together in time and lack of prenatal care.
There's no real cure at home.
The man would have to take her to a doctor.
Instead the man just gets a younger wife.
......
Feminists comments?
(Crickets.)

344 formercorpsman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:32:22am

Late to the party.

You have got to love it.

I actually have a woman who works in our office, the epitome of a liberal feminist, who spouted this same line some weeks ago.

She just happened to see some documentary on Islam via PBS, they were interviewing women in Iran. These woman touted being covered actually set them free. Free to go throughout life unrecognized, hence, free from the potential onslaught of their male counterparts.

At times I draw myself back from thinking that a significant portion of our population has divorced itself from reality in favor the moral equivalent of purple sneakers, and a ride on Hale-Bopp.

Then they come out with this tripe, and I start my mental pendulum swings back in the original direction.

F'n morons.

345 formercorpsman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:35:01am

re: #325 Tigger2005

Folks, Tigger is absolutely correct.

Especially you older fair skinned white chicks.

Your skeleton stays strong by maintaining a persistent load.

Lifting weights loads your skeleton, enhancing an already natural process.

Excellent advice.

346 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:42:21am

I can't believe anyone takes this imbecilic twit (Wolf) seriously. Camille Paglia's (no conservative, she) dissections of Wolf's sputterings are always viciously spot-on and funny.

347 BingoBunny  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:43:15am

towards marriage, towards family, giving god and husband their due..

excuse me what have they been fighting to destroy in the west all these years.. exactly these things..

348 Kulhwch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:49:25am

So the Women's Movement (how apt a word, all of a sudden) is getting ready to just roll over and take it*?

And why not?  That's what women have been doing for millenia ...

*Dhimmitude.

}:)     [Strolling briskly -- not running -- towards closest exit.]

349 eclectic infidel  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:56:37am

re: #242 zombie

Well-said Zombie.

It's obvious that Ms Wolfe has never read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book titled Infidel.

350 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:03:58am

" ...toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home."

That reads like a laundry list of things that Western feminists sought to destroy in the West.

351 Right Brain  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:17:25am

Misogynists are men who hate women as much as they hate each other.

HL Mencken

352 norar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:17:38am
I learned that Muslim attitudes toward women’s appearance and sexuality are not rooted in repression, but in a strong sense of public versus private, of what is due to God and what is due to one’s husband.

Oh, now I understand the honor killings, they support this "strong sense of public versus private, of what is due to God and what is due to one’s husband", you see.

OTOH, I can understand these ageing feminist oracles, after all talking is the only way they can do a living with. Since they don't have a real issue to talk about, they go into all kind of idioticies that they can attract attention with. Stirring controversy is one of the ways to do so, and probably the most effective one.

353 exredtory  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:22:54am

So she's making the case for such organizations as Focus on the Family, as well the renegade LDS sects, the Amish, the Hutterites, Orthodox Jews or any other conservative religious sects, Christian or otherwise, that teach modesty in dress and chasitity as virtues then?

354 JeanE  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:24:18am

Ms. Wolf could have talked with women right her in the US who are Orthodox Jews, or Mennonite, or just modest Christians and learned that many women find the limits set by their faith to free them from bondage to the world and empower them to lead fulfilling, meaningful lives. Of course, she would likely dismiss them as religious wackos.

In the US, women are free to adhere to the dictates of their conscience without fear of punishment from the state. Women who want to cover their hair, or wear long skirts, or not go out without their husbands are free to do so. Women who want to let their hair down, wear blue jeans and manange a construction site can do so without fear of being arrested or attacked for violating religious codes.

Ms. Wolf fails to realize that women's rights are simply human rights.

355 medaura18586  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:34:55am

re: #75 jaunte

I didn't realize before how profitable that was for her:
"This weekend, Time reported that Al Gore's campaign has been paying Wolf, a feminist author, $15,000 a month (recently reduced to $5,000) to transform Gore from a weak "beta" male into a strong "alpha" male."
[Link: www.slate.com...]

What a ripoff!

The only time Gore ever sounded like anything remotely resembling an alpha male was when he was railing against Sadam Hussein and chewing out Republicans for not doing enough to overthrow him! (that video is precious)

When Wolf was done with him, he was pussier than ever. Gamma male...Gamma human being.

356 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:39:51am

Frankly, I have never seen as large a concentration of meaningless buzzwords strung together in my life. This is the only thing about that statement that impresses me except for the fact that the author obviously was never owned by a Islamic man.

357 sandbox  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:47:22am
358 Omni  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:52:51am

The warping of the mind that Leftist thinking causes is more powerful than any of the lesser co-pathologies such as radical feminism and will always dominate them in the end.

359 Mordecai  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:53:59am

re: #187 nikis-knight

Although being one of three wives to an abusive jerk while kept isolated from all other males would probably drive a lot of women to consider it. If not for the jealousy that things such as which wife is favored and who gave the better (ie, male) children to the man might not be conductive to warm feelings among wives, I'd guess.

Good point. Really good point, indeed.

360 LEGION  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 11:55:12am

I say sell her for a diseased goat and be done with her.

361 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:07:45pm
362 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:08:08pm
363 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:10:12pm
364 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:10:45pm
365 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:16:38pm

re: #364 ploome hineni

No. it is not...

It is not that Islam suppresses sexuality, but that it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home. causes a woman to stack upon her tits two mounds of plastic explosive, walk into a crowd of fellow human beings, and then blow them all to a painful death. LONG LIVE THE POWER OF FEMINISIM !

fixed it.

& I call a "masculinist" curse down on Naomi Wolf

366 smith288  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:30:17pm

Palin is the TRUE definition of a feminist. She has the guts, determination, grace and beauty that all women should try to emulate.

I would encourage y'all to support this barracuda.

367 norar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:31:00pm

re: #361 ploome hineni

In 2006, the Sunday Herald carried an interview in which Wolf claimed to have taken on the spirit of a 13-year-old boy and saw Jesus Christ.[2]

O well, that might explain it. Since then she have taken a spirit of 6 year old girl and saw Mohammed.

368 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:34:54pm
369 leereyno  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:47:11pm

People often make the mistake that the left has a core value system. It does not. Its goal is the destruction of Western Civilization, and America in particular. It will latch on to anything it thinks can be used as a weapon or tool to achieve that goal.

When they profess a belief in something, you can be sure that it has some perceived subversive or destructive value to them.

So don't be surprised when leftists who are self-professed feminists throw the liberty and rights of women under the bus and support a culture and ideology based upon the oppression of the fairer sex, if that culture and ideology are opposed to the West. They'll do that just as quickly as a leftist who claimed that America was a racist country would support slavery in the Muslim world, and regularly do.

Murder, slavery, oppression. None of these things matter to the left. The only thing they care about is destroying everything that the rest of us hold dear.

370 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:50:25pm

re: #369 leereyno

No core values = nihilist = Satan walks right in.

You can tell by the results, and by who they hang out with.

371 boocat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 12:52:57pm

I suppose it's part of the Muslim Sexual Mystique to outlaw women's suffrage,
freedom of movement, and opportunity to drive.

It's funny, because I clearly recall how Kate Millet (author of Sexual Politics) recognized the oppression of women in Iran and fought for their liberation. I believe members of her own family got her committed to a loony bin for her trouble.

I wouldn't want to spend my life shuffling around in that heat in a black body bag.

Naomi Wolf should grow up.

372 the_flying_pig  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 1:02:28pm

I hope you lizardoids pay special attention to the organization that Naomi Wolfe co-founded: the American Freedom Campaign. The name is really a misnomer in itself, as you can look up what organizations supports and donate to the AFC.

Eech! American and Freedom doesn't mean anything in that Wolfe's psuedo-organization.

373 ex cathedra  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 1:14:19pm

This is disgusting. She makes me sick.

374 ex cathedra  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 1:15:27pm

And don't muslim men have a "strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling"? Why don't they cover themselves, ha?

375 WetCoast  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 1:21:23pm

She makes Miss South Carolina look like a Rhodes scholar.

376 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 1:23:59pm

Only a highly educated person could hold such incredibly stupid beliefs.

377 landline  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 1:44:12pm

re: #369 leereyno

Indeed. However, I think we need to differentiate between stone cold ideologues like Wolf and center leftists like Anderson Cooper who simply want Democrats to win elections. I would go further and state that even Bill & Hillary do not have the depth of antipathy for the West like Obama/ Noam Chomsky types do.

378 Scion9  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 2:25:51pm

re: #119 hooligan

She explained that most public places were divided into defacto "family" sections and sections for single males, and that this was to protect young women. We laughed, because we knew that most young women did not need or desire "protection" from young men---quite the opposite.

This is actually the understanding put forth in the Qur'an, if not the one that appears on the surface in modern Islamic societies. That women are the ones incapable of controlling themselves, and that they are inherently temptresses.

Men are not supposed to be the ones protecting their virginity, or even keeping themselves under control, so there is no need to protect women from them. It is the vile temptresses that must be sequestered from the men, not vice versa.

This was mostly the case even in Christian Europe and the West in general until the Sexual Revolution. Women are/were in control of when sex happens, and men merely put themselves into the pool of available partners. Women are 'guilty' of and suffer social stigma from promiscuity, and for the most part men do not; which to some extent is still true today.

However, we don't have any dogma here stating that to prevent the occasional slut, we should make women wear black tents, lock them indoors and have them escorted by their fathers and brothers at all times. We actually expect a level or responsibility on part of men, and give women the respect to assume they can control themselves as well, where Islamic culture does neither.

If you study the history and culture of the Middle East you will see this whole 'modesty' paradigm outside of Islam as well. It has been a very long held view in that region of the world that appearing 'naked' before someone shames them (and not just the person guilty of immodesty).

It is in the Bible (Jesus advocating giving greedy lenders the clothes off of your back really has a different meaning when you delve into the regional culture), but not so rigidly encoded to have the weight of law that it does in Sharia. It is probably the source of Western modesty and sexual mores, since they certainly didn't come from either pagan Europe or classical Greek and Roman culture.

379 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 2:43:41pm

re: #43 FrogMarch

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ISLAM.

American left-wing feminists understand the nuance of culture and the superiority of a religion that hates modern western values women.

"Frog" -

Another stomach turner for sure. Makes you wish for a return of Lord Napier.
This is as bad as suttee. It is a practice that should be pounded into rubble and the rubble into sand.

-S-

380 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:16:59pm

re: #158 Killian Bundy

trig palin incest

/nope, not kidding

"K-B" -

Watched the the "hike" tape closely. Gov. Palin was wearing a boxy jacket (hides one's figure) and looked noticeably fuller in her face then now. Absent any other evidence - she's the mommy.

-S-

381 Moe Katz  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:27:26pm

re: #14 jaunte

Great minds ding alike!

That post hit a grand slam. Félicitations, Reine-de-tout!

382 Moe Katz  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:38:16pm

re: #111 nikis-knight

No, I'm pretty sure even mainstream Islam represses sexuality, perhaps not violently so, but certainly more than other religions.

Female sexuality, you mean ...

383 mermaid  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:58:58pm

This is an "old song" that I have heard many times in my years living overseas. It is true that Islamic women feel safe wearing the chador but it is safe from being berated, beaten or raped. If anyone thinks this dress is by choice....I think they need their head examined. When a woman wears the chador she looses her identity and individuality, she becomes invisible.

384 Da Coyote  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:55pm

This is a prime example of a person who could never, ever, pass a real university course requiring actual thought. The prime questions to raise are, "Does anyone actually give her money to write?", and "Does anybody with a measurable IQ actually read her output?" and my personal question, "Does anybody give a .....?"

385 nyc redneck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:57:17pm

naomi wolf hates women. she must be a psychopath to give such a devious disingenuous voice to the suffering of women under the tyranny of islam.

wolf uses this suffering as fodder for her linguistic bantering and inanity. just to have a unique angle on a situation. she is convoluted and ridiculous.

it's only abt. her and her hyper phony intellectual interpretation of a perverse culture that common sense tells you is terrible for women.

386 WriterMom  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:37:40pm

What a stupid bitch.

387 WriterMom  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:38:34pm

re: #385 nyc redneck

The 'unholy alliance' between radical Islam and the left.

388 nyc redneck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:08:06pm

re: #386 WriterMom

What a stupid bitch.

that truly sums it up.

389 Wilderstad  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:12:28pm

Naomi seems to forget a time when women were blamed for rape depending on what they were or were not wearing. The West is mostly ( although stupid judges exist) past that and recognizes that rape is an act of violence and is assault.
In Islam you'll need four witnesses to your rape and if you were flashing any skin at all, well it's all YOUR fault, you adulteress YOU.

Sure you want to go back to that Naomi Wolf?

390 ladycatnip  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:27pm
It is not that Islam suppresses sexuality, but that it embodies a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channelling - toward marriage, the bonds that sustain family life, and the attachment that secures a home.

This is a boatload of bs.

Since when do feminists embrace an appropriate channeling of sex? They have been the loudest detractors of the abstinence program initiated by Christians, which, of course, is all about an appropriate channeling of sex! The Christian version of abstaining until marriage is repressive; the muslim version is transcendent, lofty, pure, holy, and a closet turn-on for feminists.

*cue soundtrack of Lawrence of Arabia*

391 pittboy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:17:48pm

I just read a little blurb in the paper that five young women in Pakistan were opposed to their forced marriages. The ROP leaders had them shot. The article said they were still alive when buried. This is what she defends?

392 Moe Katz  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:27:04pm

re: #219 lawhawk

And to underscore the point that Islamists are misogynists and no one should take Wolf seriously, a Pakistani legislator is defending honor killing. Why is he defending it?

Because it's what they've always done:


Evil. Pure evil.

But he's okay with it because it's tradition.

I'm picturing a demoniacal transmogrification of Zero Mostel in Fiddler on the Roof---"Tradition!"

393 american jewess in jerusalem  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:38:17pm

If she finds sexual morality and family values appealing, perhaps she should explore her own Jewish heritage. We do it without the gang rape and body bags.

What an ignorant twerp.

394 profitsbeard  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:54:36pm

Pandering to the uber-Patriarchy's lies about women.

Loathesome.

395 Freedom Fan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 10:36:46pm

This article makes crystal that naiomi wolf cares nothing about the well-being of any woman besides herself. All she cares about is bringing down Western civilization and its unrivalled free enterprise system.

Wolf is just another Marxist peddling a different scam. Others use global warming as an excuse to undermine private industry.

Leftist will even embrace oppressive theological tyrants as long as they are the enemies of Western culture.

396 Clioman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 5:52:43am

Naomi, this one is easy. Buy a burkha. Wear it everytime you go outdoors. But be true to what it means. Don't say another word in public.

397 nines09  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 6:26:39am

I guess she neglected to ask what would happen if a woman chose to not wear the "proper" clothing, or tried to avoid a forced marriage, ventured in public alone, or asked to vote, or drive a car, or attempt to do what Naomi takes for granted. Twit. She gets it alright. Blind, she felt the tail of the elephant and declared it to be as a rope.

398 freedomnut  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 6:00:25pm

"...due to one's husband"? "Family life"? A "home"?

I thought those were bad things! Now I'm confused!

It would be sweet irony to see this woman forced into "the freedom to wear a veil" herself. (I saw a picture of her, and a veil--nay, a burlap sack--would be an improvement for her appearance.)

399 reallygone  Tue, Sep 2, 2008 7:01:12am

I think you may be too harsh on Ms. Wolf.

After all, she characterized jim Jeffords and the break-off Latter Day Saints group (and their conservative heritage, old-fashioned clothes, and traditional values) in exactly the same manner!

Didn't she?


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