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Zombie: Anatomy of a Video - Democratic Convention 2008

Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 3:39:20 pm PDT

(Cross-posted at Pajamas Media.)

How the media and left-wing blogs combined to create a police scandal out of thin air

The real story behind the Alicia Forrest/Carlo Garcia arrests.

On Tuesday, August 27, during the Democratic National Convention in Denver, I witnessed an incident that seemed at the time to be rather minor, but which over the subsequent days turned into a major scandal — primarily due to a video posted online by the Rocky Mountain News. This carefully edited video shows Officer Stewart of the Denver Police knocking Alicia Forrest of Code Pink to the ground during a protest, and then, after an edit, Forrest getting arrested by other officers. This video has created a firestorm among left-wing blogs, and also engendered many follow-up stories in the Denver Post, the Rocky Mountain News, Westword, and other mainstream Denver media outlets.

However, I personally witnessed the entire incident, from the beginning to the end, and can say without reservation that the Rocky Mountain News video is intentionally deceptive, and crafted to make the protester (Alicia Forrest) appear to be a victim of needless police brutality. I have photographic and video proof, shown below, that Alicia Forrest “asked for it” in the sense that she disobeyed police commands to stay back and also taunted the police; and that she was not seriously injured by Officer Stewart; and that the Rocky Mountain News in particular committed an act of media malfeasance by purposely posting on their site a deceptive video that left out all the context surrounding the incident. Furthermore, many blogs jumped on the story and trumpeted it as evidence of police misbehavior, when in fact there was no misbehavior at all.

The report below has 25 photos and four short videos, but bear with me and read all the way through to the end in order to see the full story. The full incident lasted many minutes and is a little complicated, but can easily be followed photo-by-photo in the report below.

Let’s start things off with the one-minute-long Rocky Mountain News video that is the focus of the scandal (originally posted as part of this article). Watch it now. What are your impressions? Doesn’t it seem like that innocent little girl was first beaten and then arrested by the police for no reason? Shocking, isn’t it?

But that’s not the entirety of what happened. Keep reading to see the full story that the Rocky Mountain News (and other media outlets) didn’t want you to see.

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The story began when a group of extreme anti-gay Christian preachers showed up in Civic Center Park to reproach the mostly left-wing crowd gathering for an unrelated parade and protest march.

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They immediately drew a large circle of detractors and media.

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Dozens of people were yelling at and getting into arguments with the Christians. These two men mockingly simulated gay sexual acts to taunt the preachers.

But it wasn’t all fun and games and mockery. As the minutes passed, the atmosphere began getting more and more confrontational, as revealed in this video showing a radcial group chanting “Racist, sexist, anti-gay, Christian fascists go away!”

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Eventually, the police felt they needed to intervene in order to prevent a possible outbreak of violence. Mounted police moved in and told everyone to step back and stop pressing in around the preachers.

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The police then tried to set up a defensive perimeter.

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I originally moved a bit away, as instructed, and so missed exactly what happened next, but according to the Denver Post, “Carlo Garcia, a leader of protest group Recreate 68, had asked police to escort the [anti-gay Christian] pastor out of the park. Instead, police said Garcia posed a threat and arrested him.” I saw that the Recreate 68 guy (later identified as Carlo Garcia) had been confrontational and threatened to remove the Christians himself, because he didn’t like what they were saying; the police replied that everyone was entitled to free speech, no matter what their point of view; when Garcia wouldn’t back down, they arrested him. The Las Vegas Sun published this photo of Garcia menacingly grabbing or wielding a pole.

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Here’s a photo taken of him being arrested, moments afterward.

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OK, everything up until now has been simply a precursor, setting the stage for the controversy that was to follow. As Garcia was being led away, a very large group of protesters, members of the media and just plain hangers-on followed the arresting officers, swarming around and demanding that they “let him go.” Many photographers (myself included) scrambled to record the action, and it was here that I first encountered the Code Pink member whom I later learned was called Alicia Forrest. You can see her in the foreground of this picture, wearing pink clothes and a pink crown. Notice how, of all the photographers, she was standing closest to the mounted officers.

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In fact, in every picture I took, Forrest was always the one person closest to the action and most aggressively challenging the police. Despite the fact that the police very loudly and forcefully ordered everyone to “GET BACK!”, Forrest would not get back.

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Here you can see Carlo Garcia being escorted by the police, and Alicia Forrest once again testing the limits of acceptable behavior by crowding in as close as she could get. Furthermore, despite having a camera, she was obviously not a journalist, because she was wearing a “protest outfit” (Code Pink-style clothes) and was among the people yelling at the officers “Let him go!” and “Police brutality!”

This video shows the second part of the convoy/chase, in which police transported Garcia from the middle of Civic Center Park over to Bannock Street. Pay close attention to how the police officers repeatedly command everyone to “GET BACK!” and “Back AWAY from these people — NOW!” and even despite all that, Alicia Forrest is still visible fleetingly at two different points in the video being very close to the arresting officers. Now, as you can see, she wasn’t the only person venturing too close, as several other photographers would on occasion either purposely or accidentally find themselves at the front of the crowd. Even I got shoved forward several times, and thought myself in danger of being shoved back by the police. And to be perfectly frank, if a police officer had pushed me backwards during one of those moments where, through crowd dynamics or inattention, I found myself at the front of the pursuing crowd, then I would not have been surprised, nor would I have accused the police of brutality. Because the police felt they were in a very precarious situation, and the crowd was not obeying their commands.

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But Alicia Forrest (seen here at the lower left) was nearly always the most aggressive one of us. In this picture, even after being directly commanded many times to step back, she’s right in the face of an officer (Stewart, in fact, the one who moments later would knock her backwards), taking a picture of Carlo Garcia and yelling at the police to let him go free.

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The chase came to a brief halt as the police had to wait for the arrival of a vehicle to transport Garcia to be booked. In Old West style, the mounted police circled their horses around him and the arresting officers, in an attempt to keep the hostile crowd at bay.

This video shows the police horses walking in a circle.

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Garcia was screaming to the crowd that he was innocent. The police presence had by this time increased significantly.

Now we’re almost getting to the crucial part.

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The police vehicle arrived and Garcia was brought over to it. He was none too happy with the situation.

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They bundled him on to the vehicle...

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...as the swelling crowd swirled around and pressed forward.

The three photos below were taken by someone standing right near me during the melee. After both Garcia and Forrest had been later taken away, and I had seen that this photographer had captured a crucial moment, I approached him and offered to share photos with him, and we exchanged email addresses. The following day I sent him some of my photos, and he sent me these three, which I had requested. (The other photographer wishes to remain anonymous.)

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Here we see Alicia Forrest standing face-to-face with Officer Stewart, who had just told her (for the millionth time) to move away, and who puts up his baton to create a defensive wall, and to give her (this time) a gentle shove back.

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But Forrest simply would not obey him (nor any of the other officers). Instead of backing up, she actually leaned forward, and started taunting Officer Stewart even more aggressively. As seen in the photo above, he had just finished trying to push her backwards, using his baton, which Forrest didn’t like, so she dared him to “Fuckin’ do it again!” At that point, Officer Stewart simply lost his patience with this annoying gadfly who obviously felt her pink clothes rendered her immune to criticism or to police enforcement. It was moments after this photo was taken that the scene depicted in the Rocky Mountain News video took place.

Here’s the contextless video again. You can hear Forrest saying “Fuckin’ do it again!”, and then Stewart taking her up on her offer and saying “Back it up, bitch!” as he clonks her on the forehead or on the sunglasses, causing her to fall backwards. The “crack” you hear is not the sound of his baton on her skull, but rather that of her pink plastic bullhorn hitting the pavement and all its batteries falling out.

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At that point other photographers rushed over to document the scene. Officer Stewart can be seen maintaining his stance.

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Now we’re back to my photos. You can see the dropped bullhorn and its batteries scattered on the ground, as Forrest clutched her head.

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An instant later, another protester kneeled down to attend to her.

Now, pay close attention to the next three photos.

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He asked her if she was OK, and she started to get up.

It was at this point that all the other photographers either stopped taking pictures and videos, or more likely, stopped showing the world their imagery, because it didn’t convey the narrative that they wanted to tell (i.e. of Forrest as victim and the police as brutes).

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Because just seconds later, Forrest got up...

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..and walked away under her own power, apparently uninjured.

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Some time later, journalists had gathered around her and she was starting to spin what undoubtedly was going to be a lopsided version of what had happened, and it was then that the police finally detained her for interfering with another arrest (as shown in the second half of the Rocky Mountain News video and in this photo, taken from this site).



Now that you’ve seen the whole story, look at the original video again. You can see that the Rocky Mountain News, or at least “George Kochaniec,” the videographer named at the beginning, purposely cut off the film at the exact moment before Alicia Forrest got up off the ground and walked away, perfectly healthy. The only possible explanation is that the RMN didn’t want the public to see that part, since it didn’t convey the proper impression. And Kochaniec says he didn’t witness the earlier part of the melee, so one supposes he didn’t have a full record of Forrest’s misbehavior. Hence, the resulting video and article in the Rocky Mountain News lacked the necessary context.

I wasn’t sure this entire incident was even such a big deal, until I saw that it was getting traction all over the Internet. The YouTube video, as of this writing, already has 269,000 views; many blogs, such as this one, this one, and this one, among hundreds of others, portrayed Forrest as a wholly innocent victim, and Officer Stewart as a maniacal bully. (Only the Marco Chacon blog and the weekly paper Westword seemed to grasp that the RMN video must have left out all the context.)

(On the off-chance that the video ever gets taken down off of YouTube, you can also watch it here on LiveLeak.)

There were several mainstream media articles about this incident, too many to summarize here. Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! even had a short television report about the incident, naturally taking the anti-police position.

Officer Stewart is now reportedly under investigation, and the story continues to grow day by day. And yet everyone is working with only a small percentage of the necessary information, and they’re basing their actions and conclusions on the inherently deceptive Rocky Mountain News video, which served its intended purpose of discrediting the police.

After viewing the full story, what’s your opinion? Do you think Officer Stewart should be investigated or suspended? Do you think the Rocky Mountain News committed journalistic malfeasance? Either way, email the URL of this essay to the Rocky Mountain News, or the Denver Police “Independent Monitor”, or the Denver Post, or blog about it yourself.

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1 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:41:51pm

Woo-hoo!

2 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:43:05pm

Actually, I apologize to everyone for this report: it's admittedly on a pretty trivial incident, that no one outside of moonbat-land even cares about any more -- but I just couldn't sit on the exposé-worthy evidence and let another leftist lie go unchallenged.

3 vxbush  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:47:19pm

Absolutely, Zom. You put it down properly for all to see. Good job!

4 acwgusa  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:48:05pm

Code Pink and its MSM Lapdogs lie to make the police look bad? Shocking, I tell you! Shocking!

/Do I really need the sarc tag?

5 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:48:26pm

It's hilarious that Amy Goodman, whom I mocked as being the symbolic representation of "Truth" in the giant puppet parade that was being set up while this incident went down, was caught repeating a bald-faced lie about the incident itself! The puppet was within sight of the arrest.

Oh, the irony!

6 TheSpartan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:49:37pm

I see she plays soccer.

7 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:50:25pm

Oh boy, one of the local lawyer listserves I subscribe to just exploded about the preemptive RNC police raids yesterday. Oh the LLL hand wringing over the brutal Gestapo tactics of the evil police violating the poor, peaceful protesters civil rights!

So I just asked them about the buckets of urine that were confiscated. This ought to be fun.

/hey assholes, care to guess what they planned to use all that urine for?

8 Sgt.Slappy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:50:48pm

Gonzo journalism!

9 ebed_melech  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:51:04pm

Some important news from the UK on teachings in the women's cricle of a mosque set up originally to support community cohesion.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

10 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:52:35pm

re: #4 acwgusa

Code Pink and its MSM Lapdogs lie to make the police look bad? Shocking, I tell you! Shocking!

True, but in this instance it's very nice to have irrefutable documentary evidence of their deception.

I think that George Kochaniec is actually in one of photos, shown still videotaping her even after his tape ends in the posted video, proving that he chopped off the part showing she wasn't hurt. But I didn't point it out because I didn't walk to be seen as "stalking" him, whoever he is. For all I know, his editor did the video editing.

11 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:53:42pm

So are you saying that the left adapts the tactics of Hamas Agitprop Theater™, or are you saying that Hamas adapts the tactics of the leftists? I mean don't we see this exact hysteria after every Israeli action? Manufactured and exagerated wounds and injuries?

12 Price_of_Peace  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:54:28pm

I think you show clearly that the police showed controlled restraint under the circumstances. Good job showing the "rest of the story."

13 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:55:21pm
14 Sgt.Slappy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:55:21pm

Kermit journalism!

15 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:55:29pm

Zombie, with my dying breath, you would have my utmost respect.

This is as big as the Dan Rather memo, IMHO.

16 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:56:28pm

re: #5 zombie

We spent a lot of time debating what really happened in that clip. Thanks for setting the record straight.

17 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:58:00pm

And, as if had to say so, this is journalistic malfeasance of the highest order.
I have said often that news coverage is so damned bad that you could invert it 180 degrees and come out more accurate than the way the MSM reports it.

18 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:58:18pm

Excellent work. Thank you Zombie!

19 Northpaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:58:57pm

Thanks Zombie, your work does not go unappreciated!

20 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:58:59pm

Crowd control is about restraint. Defined as "restraining the aggressive types from doing any harm with the minimum level of necessary force."

Officer Stewart passed the test, IMHO. Forrest failed hers, miserably. (Not that I'm surprised.)

Anymore than I'm surprised at the MSM's attempt to spin this into another Rodney King incident. It will be interesting to see, in the coming days, if any of them have the intellectual honesty to admit that they tried to make a mountain out of a molehill.

As always, Well Done, Zombie.

cheers

eon

21 Former SSG  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:00:39pm

Zombie, you're terrific. Each little slanted bit of news needs to be dissected, every time, or the LLLs get away with their distortions. RMN is way out of line, and, if I was a cop I may have done the same thing.

22 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:00:40pm

...the footage may be edited, but the story is essentially true

23 ebed_melech  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:01:43pm

Looks interesting, Zombie, and cudos for your courage.
Sorry to not be on theme, but this is another story that should be read. Dutch SS convinced enough the US/Israel soon to strike to pull out of high level ops, ? by unmanned planes. I doubt it personally, but Iran may not.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

24 shibumi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:02:35pm

The Left absolutely amazes me at times- they do all they can to provoke and even harass the police (as in this case) but, when things get really out of hand, they are the first ones screaming for police protection. Hypocrites one and all.

All of which means I come down on the side of the officer in this case, and congratulate him on his utter restraint.

25 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:02:42pm

Great report, Zombie! Wish we could send it directly to Officer Stewart.

26 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:03:11pm

re: #15 rawmuse

This is as big as the Dan Rather memo, IMHO.

No way -- this is utterly trivial in comparison. No presidential election will hang in the balance. This is just yet another nail-in-the-coffin debunking of a very minor but very obvious MSM/leftist lie.

The title "Anatomy of a Video," in case anyone didn't get it, is a riff on my famous Anatomy of a Photograph essay, which is very similar to this.

27 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:03:19pm
28 angst  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:03:41pm

What an excellent bit of detective work. I hope you will send a link to this story to the Rocky Mountain News, the Denver Post and the Police Department.

What Stewart did was perfectly reasonable. Forrest acted just like a B-ball player who wants her opponent to get called on charging.

Not only that, if they hadn't kept the crowd back, the horses could have done a lot worse.

29 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:03:54pm

Zombs -- would you risk blowing your clandestine cover and testify on behalf of Office Stewart if necessary?

30 lifeofthemind  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:03:55pm

Good job zombie, Justice is a Lady who smiles when the innocent are exhonerated and the who does not exhult when the guilty are punished.

31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:04:05pm
32 paradox42  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:05:02pm

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

We'll take the Spruce Moose. C'mon hop in.

33 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:05:36pm
34 Justacanuck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:07:04pm

Excellent work Agent Zombie!

Well done.

35 Sgt.Slappy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:07:06pm

Based on the young lady's schoolyard-ish "overacting" with being given a shove by the officer... I wonder if the police could start the old recess routine "I'm going to swing my arms around and walk over there, and if you get hit, it's not my fault." Protests just might be fun again. Pow! Whack! Biff! Zowie!

36 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:07:55pm
[T]he Rocky Mountain News in particular committed an act of media malfeasance by purposely posting on their site a deceptive video that left out all the context surrounding the incident.

And the Rocky is actually the more conservative of the two Denver papers, if you can believe that.

37 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:08:21pm

re: #22 spidly

...the footage may be edited, but the story is essentially true

The "story" is being spun that the Code Pinker was the victim of an unwarranted assault by a police officer. That, in fact, was not true. She totally was asking for it -- had been asking for it for 15 minutes straight -- and his "blow" to her didn't really injure her at all -- it looked and sounded much worse than it was.

Check out this first comment on the Alex Jones site about the policeman:

Well……. got his face? ID him. FInd out where he lives………hehehehe Make it public so he is ostrasized even by his neighbors.

Oh, and the ‘commander’ who grabbed her by the arm and took her off while being interviewed by the press? ID Him to. Same thing. We can plaster thier names all over the internet as Abusive Men…….. Women Beaters and Abusers. Get a public restrianing order on them……they cant be within 1,000 ft of any female for a year.

That is how the left is treating this.

38 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:08:35pm

re: #26 zombie

No presidential election will hang in the balance. .

Oh, really? Every little bit helps.

39 Karridine  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:09:34pm

Kudos, Zomboid One!

Wish I'd been there, but you did just fine! :D

40 paradox42  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:09:56pm

Seriously, I don't think I could be a cop. I don't do well with people shouting in my face and I wouldn't have been nearly as nice as Officer Stewart was. No way should he get in trouble for this.

41 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:09:56pm

re: #25 Pvt Bin Jammin

Great report, Zombie! Wish we could send it directly to Officer Stewart.

Good idea. Someone, please send it to the Denver police. Link at the end of the report. Say it is to be forwarded to Officer Stewart.

42 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:11pm

re: #35 Sgt.Slappy

Based on the young lady's schoolyard-ish "overacting" with being given a shove by the officer... I wonder if the police could start the old recess routine "I'm going to swing my arms around and walk over there, and if you get hit, it's not my fault." Protests just might be fun again. Pow! Whack! Biff! Zowie!

And don't forget the Bat dance with that!

43 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:14pm

No investigation, no censure, no nothing. Officer Stewart did his job exactly as I would expect all police to. There's a point at which taunting police becomes incitement in scenes like this, and that was clearly what the CP'er was trying to do. She just expected the pink to protect her or something.

44 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:15pm

re: #35 Sgt.Slappy

she's been watching too much NBA

45 Edward Halper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:28pm

Thanks, Zombie. Good work.

And it all started when they attempted to limit the free speech of the preachers. How can these people imagine that they are championing human rights?

46 Idle Drifter  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:36pm

In today's context the truth is often at the bottom of the sea of misinformation.

47 Jimmy the Notable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:57pm

Thanks for this, zombie. I'm so sick of seeing anti-police story after anti-police story completely devoid of context and just seeking to demonize the police as stormtroopers hyped up on testosterone, adrenaline and steroids.

Its great to FINALLY see the other side of the story. Unfortunately, there are remarkably too few "journalists" out there like you who are willing to report on the truth of an even, rather than a spin. I think you, without a doubt, have the most exposure of anyone with as much integrity.

48 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:11:09pm

re: #28 angst

What an excellent bit of detective work. I hope you will send a link to this story to the Rocky Mountain News, the Denver Post and the Police Department.

It's up to you to send it. The links are all provided at the end of the report.

49 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:11:53pm

re: #20 eon

Crowd control is about restraint. Defined as "restraining the aggressive types from doing any harm with the minimum level of necessary force."

Officer Stewart passed the test, IMHO. Forrest failed hers, miserably. (Not that I'm surprised.)

Anymore than I'm surprised at the MSM's attempt to spin this into another Rodney King incident. It will be interesting to see, in the coming days, if any of them have the intellectual honesty to admit that they tried to make a mountain out of a molehill.

As always, Well Done, Zombie.

cheers

eon

I don't know how the officer could have done anything differently. If the cops had allowed the crowd to get the upper hand, everyone there would have been in danger of being harmed in the chaos and panic that would have ensued.

Cops have a thankless job.

50 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:12:16pm

re: #41 zombie

I'll be happy to do it.

51 Jimmy the Notable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:12:25pm

Also, her taunt of "Do it again" was certainly so that she was hoping he would touch her so she could flop around like a fish and make a scene.

52 little blessing  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:12:43pm

re: #36 StinkHammer

I can't believe the Rocky is behind this. I always preferred it to the Post. Something must have changed since I left home.

53 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:12:45pm

re: #29 StinkHammer

Zombs -- would you risk blowing your clandestine cover and testify on behalf of Office Stewart if necessary?

Good question. I really don't think it will come to that, though. No way the Denver Police are going to actually punish him for driving her back. After all, five minutes later they arrested her for interfering with police business.

54 Jimmy the Notable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:06pm

re: #41 zombie

Good idea. Someone, please send it to the Denver police. Link at the end of the report. Say it is to be forwarded to Officer Stewart.

I'm going to send it and I hope a hundred more people do, too.

55 SummerSong  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:13pm

re: #2 zombie

The truth isn't trivial.

Thank you for this report.

56 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:15pm

re: #45 Edward Halper

Thanks, Zombie. Good work.

And it all started when they attempted to limit the free speech of the preachers. How can these people imagine that they are championing human rights?

they ruined a perfectly good opportunity to leave the preachers to be stupid and tie them to the GOP... but that would mean they would not have been the center of attention

57 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:34pm

When you consider that the news media are about 99 percent in the bag for Obama, I think that every effort should be made to expose them as the lying and treasonous sacks that they are.

58 cardiacmont  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:36pm

In terms of being important or not, it's very important. Not necessarily important in terms of presidential elections, but important in showing that our police are not a bunch of bungling means spirited "Bushilter" types.

When law and order is broken to the point that regular Americans can no longer trust the police to be just, evenhanded, and fair then this country will have reached the point from which there is no returning.

This is VERY imporant.

59 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:48pm

re: #44 spidly

she's been watching too much NBA

She thinks she's a trash-talking small forward?

/wouldn't surprise me, actually


cheers

eon

60 Jimmy the Notable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:15:05pm

I got to this page:
http://www.denvergov.org/Police/PoliceDepartmentHo mePage/ContactUs/tabid/392276/Default.aspx

And there's a link on the side for "Police Complaints and Commendations." I think that that might be the appropriate place to send it.

61 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:15:42pm

re: #51 Jimmy the Notable

Also, her taunt of "Do it again" was certainly so that she was hoping he would touch her so she could flop around like a fish and make a scene.

Bingo.

62 kafir  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:15:42pm

holy feces batman!

What ... do leftards everywhere think they are above the law?

Must be. Otherwise they wouldn't act like they were part of the nomenklatur of soviet times.

Hey leftards, please, leave. Now. Stop trying to take away our rights to speak freely. Leave for countries that agree with your policy. Like any communist or proundly socialist klepto-thugocracy.

You have the right to be a schmuck, but you cannot deny me my right to point out that you are a schmuck.

63 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:16:33pm

re: #41 zombie

Good idea. Someone, please send it to the Denver police. Link at the end of the report. Say it is to be forwarded to Officer Stewart.

Is it the Denver Police Independent Monitor Link?

64 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:16:36pm
65 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:17:07pm

re: #63 Pvt Bin Jammin

Is it the Denver Police Independent Monitor Link?

yes.

66 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:17:25pm

re: #60 Jimmy the Notable

Thanks. I'm on the site already.

67 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:17:25pm

The important thing here isn't really the code pink action or distortion, that's to be accepted. The important thing is the malfeasance of the media covering the event, and their willingness to assist Code Pink in blowing this out of proportion. It didn't bite and gain traction, but they tried as hard as they could.

68 yesandno  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:17:56pm

Hell of a job, Zombie...

And thank goodness you stayed safe after all that went on around you, to you....a picture is worth a thousand words only if gets out to the public.

Kudos for the telling of truth and a job well done..

69 outsidephilly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:18:06pm

re: #41 zombie

Good idea. Someone, please send it to the Denver police. Link at the end of the report. Say it is to be forwarded to Officer Stewart.

Thank you Zombie for taking the time to piece all of this together. My son is a police officer; the news media can either make or break the careers of these public servants . . . .

70 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:18:15pm

/pimf "accepted==expected" sorry on the phone here.

71 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:18:22pm

re: #59 eon

sure pops up after the photo op like she's been given 2 free throws.

72 rain of lead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:18:23pm

Hmmmm.... just went to denver pd website did not see a way to contact
maybe I missed it
anyone else want to give it a shot?

73 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:18:55pm

re: #52 little blessing

I can't believe the Rocky is behind this. I always preferred it to the Post. Something must have changed since I left home.

Well, the Rocky's conservatism is confined to its Editorial pages. News-wise, they're just as leftward-leaning as the Post.

They are, after all, owned by the same company.

74 Gozer The Carpathian  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:19:11pm

Once again it is up to Zombie and the Pajama's Media team to scoop the media. While it's not an "earthshaking" story it is yet another story that shows the spin in news media today.

75 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:19:49pm

re: #67 Thanos

The important thing here isn't really the code pink action or distortion, that's to be accepted. The important thing is the malfeasance of the media covering the event, and their willingness to assist Code Pink in blowing this out of proportion. It didn't bite and gain traction, but they tried as hard as they could.

Yes, that is exactly my point.

I saw Code Pink all over Denver, endlessly trying idiotic antics, always trying to rile up the police (as seen in my EMILY's List report). But this was the only incident that got any traction, solely because a media outlet promoted it. Without the Rocky Mountain News's boost, that would have never risen from random obscurity.

76 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:21:00pm

The truth always hurts for a moonbat. Can't believe they are still carrying this on, but the have habits of displaying this sort of behavior, like the trufers, Paulians, etc.

77 doppelganglander  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:21:24pm

Citizen photojournalism at its finest. Thanks, zombie.

78 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:21:25pm

re: #72 rain of lead

Hmmmm.... just went to denver pd website did not see a way to contact
maybe I missed it
anyone else want to give it a shot?

Look at the end of my report. I have the info there.

This is the email address of the Denver Police "Office of the Independent Monitor," i.e. the internal affairs department:

oim@denvergov.org

79 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:22:01pm

I'm very happy that Zombie and others like him are out there, when the media window is narrowed to one funnel lies become the accepted truth. Examples:

Al Dura
The Ambulance
The smoke
The missiles

Look how long it took to get the truth out about Al Dura, that's why it's important to put the countering facts out always Zombie, so don't downplay this please -- you did great.

80 rain of lead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:22:07pm

wow got quiet all of a sudden
guess everyone's filling out reports.
wonder if we'll crash their server?

81 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:23:10pm

i hope you sent the photo's to the police. wonder why she wasn't arrested to begin with.

82 Jimmy the Notable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:23:35pm

I filed the report and threatened never to visit Denver if Officer Stewart is subject to any disciplinary action.

83 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:23:56pm

re: #62 kafir

holy feces batman!

What ... do leftards everywhere think they are above the law?

Must be. Otherwise they wouldn't act like they were part of the nomenklatur of soviet times.

Hey leftards, please, leave. Now. Stop trying to take away our rights to speak freely. Leave for countries that agree with your policy. Like any communist or proundly socialist klepto-thugocracy.

You have the right to be a schmuck, but you cannot deny me my right to point out that you are a schmuck.

It reminds me of a couple of quotes from waaayy back when.


The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously.

You have the right to free speech. You do not have the right to make others listen to you. Nor do you have the right to prevent them from telling you when you've said something stupid.

-Hubert Humphrey, IIRC

/one of the few post-WW II era liberals I still retain any respect for, along with Harry Truman and Ike

cheers

eon

84 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:24:04pm

Isn't what she is doing called "incitement"?
I would think so.

85 rain of lead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:24:39pm

re: #82 Jimmy the Notable

I filed the report and threatened never to visit Denver if Officer Stewart is subject to any disciplinary action.

be nice,be polite we are not like the moonbats

86 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:24:58pm
87 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:25:12pm

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

Mr. Burns: Let's go back to the nuclear plant.

Smithers: What about the jars of urine, sir?

Mr. Burns: Oh, we'll hang on to those.

I just got a reply. According to someone par phrasing the protesters' lawyer, it was just buckets of "gray water" and if it was urine, they didn't have a working toilet in the house, see?

/he did admit that the police also found homemade "stop sticks" which, as I posted earlier, are turning up on Metro freeways

88 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:25:38pm

The woman obviously suffered brain trauma -- before she joined Code Pink.

89 cardiacmont  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:27:21pm

Speaking of anarchists and riots and political conventions. I just saw this: Authorities seize weapons, equipment and urine in pre-RNC raids; 5 arrested

Authorities staged raids Friday night and Saturday on several locations where Republican National Convention demonstrators and protesters have been meeting, seizing a dizzying array of items, including a machete, a hatchet, throwing knives, axes, bolt cutters, equipment used in rappelling – and three 5-gallon buckets of urine.

The Ramsey County sheriff’s office reported Saturday afternoon that search warrants were executed Saturday morning at three Minneapolis homes: 2301 23rd Ave. S. (described by protesters as the “Minneapolis Food Not Bombs house”), 3500 Harriet Ave. and 3240 17th Ave. S.


Food not bombs? Quite a diet they have.

90 Perry  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:28:24pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey
Powerful post.

91 Cognito  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:28:38pm

(As a preface: I hope everybody takes this post in the dialectical spirit in which I offer it. This is an interesting case, and I've not made up my mind yet, so I look forward to smarter people than me weighing in.)

Great report Zombie, and remarkably serendipitous.

After viewing the full story, what’s your opinion? Do you think Officer Stewart should be investigated or suspended? Do you think the Rocky Mountain News committed journalistic malfeasance?

Should there be an investigation?
- I do think the officer -- or at least the incident -- should be investigated, because the results of the examination will be edifying, either way. Clearly I'm not alone in that -- the City of Denver feels likewise.

Should he be suspended?
- Only a fool would answer that before the investigation. The more answerable question, I suppose, is whether he may have used excessive force. He pretty clearly gives her a good solid smack with the baton, which I think leaps several rungs up the vaunted "escalation of force" police follow on the street.

The scale puts forth several criteria:

Is the officer in imminent danger? I think that, despite this woman's obvious idiocy and lack of the commonest sense, it's hard to argue that she offered any real physical threat to the officer. She held no weapon, and even her wit was clearly not cutting sharp.

Is the officer injured or exhausted? There's been no word of injury, and again, it's tough to argue that this guy is exhausted. Maybe in the sense that he had worked a long day, but not in the sense the scale intends.

Was there a sudden assault? The woman was obviously gettin' up in his face, but the "sudden assault" question deals with thrown punches, the appearance of a weapon, and so forth.

Bearing all that in mind, I think the officer wasn't acting with control, ratcheting up the scale of force that even junior police understand. I think he was acting in anger, which speaks to a lack of control. That's evidenced by his own words: "Back it up, bitch."

Now none of that really means anything. I don't know the fullness of the circumstances, even with Zombie's fine report. Was the officer indeed injured or exhausted? Was there some other trigger -- a suspected weapon, for instance -- that we've not heard about? I'll have to trust the City of Denver to do a more thorough, wiser job than I can do from a distance.

Do you think the Rocky Mountain News committed journalistic malfeasance?

Certainly not. Or at least, not yet. Malfeasance would mean the Rocky cut down the video to make it appear as something other than truth -- did they do that? Or did the video come to them as is?

The bar the Rocky must meet is not so high as we might wish: A perfectly tidy scenario, viewed from multiple angles and preemptively investigated by the city. But rather the bar is necessarily low: Hey, something happened. Here it is.

If it turns out the Rocky did edit the video with an eye toward deceit, then yes, it's an absolute malfeasance.

Group hug.

92 sngnsgt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:28:58pm

And the Academy Award goes to...

93 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:29:32pm

I must again urge the use of the Pepperball TAC-700

94 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:29:58pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Masterful response to a comment that would have otherwise slipped through the cracks!

95 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:30:01pm

OT

Iran rattling the nuclear saber

Iran Commander Warns Attack Would Spark World War

Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:01 PM

Article Font Size

One of Iran's top military commanders warns any attack against Iran would start a new world war.

Iranian state media reported the comments by Brigadier General Masoud Jazayeri Saturday.

General Jazayeri says unrestrained greed of the United States and Zionism are pushing the world to "the edge of a precipice."

He warned, in the case of an attack, "fake and artificial regimes" would be the first to be eliminated.

Iran and the United States have been at odds over Iran's nuclear program. Iran says its atomic program is for peaceful purposes but the U.S. and its allies accuse Iran of working to develop a nuclear weapon.

Israel has said a nuclear-armed Iran could threaten its existence. The Israeli air force carried out a large-scale exercise in June that was interpreted by many as a rehearsal for a possible attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

The United Nations has also sanctioned Iran three times because of its failure to comply with Security Council orders to halt uranium enrichment.

Highly enriched uranium can be used to make nuclear weapons.

Deputy Foreign Minister Ali Reza Sheik Attar told Iranian state media Friday the country now has 4,000 working nuclear centrifuges. He also said another 3,000 centrifuges will soon be installed at Iran's main nuclear site in Natanz.

The centrifuges could significantly boost Iran's ability to produce enriched uranium.

LINK

96 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:31:10pm

Good job. I hope Denver PD internal affairs (or whoever is investigating this) sees this report. It's clear the Code Pinko wanted an incident and was doing all she could to provoke one. She got what she asked for, and shouldn't be rewarded for it.

97 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:32:02pm

re: #53 zombie

Good question. I really don't think it will come to that, though. No way the Denver Police are going to actually punish him for driving her back. After all, five minutes later they arrested her for interfering with police business.

He will at least get a scolding for addressing her as "bitch." Even if she did deserve it.

I'll forward it.

98 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:32:23pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

John Doone said:

"Don't ask for your rights. Take them. And don't let anyone give them to ye."

99 swamprat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:07pm

Ok, Alicia Forrester took a pretty good hit. That being said, the tactic is very simple; law enforcement is harassed in such a way as to be seen, or (even better) to act, as an oppressive entity. This is done to make the general population dislike their own government. Along with this, the police are dehumanized by constantly referring to them with alienating nomenclature. The icing on the cake is to act, dress, and speak differently than the "power holders". ...What I have just described is the 60's hippie movement. Americans generally do not refer to blocks of people as "pigs"......but the Chinese do. The hippie movement died when the draft ended and the commies started killing their own citizens by the millions. The strategy of overthrow however is still being attempted. The protocols are well understood by the deep left. Those abetting these actions are hoping for crumbs to fall from the trough, or have their own agendas......like selling papers, or getting re-elected. Many of these people know exactly what they are doing.

100 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:15pm

re: #37 zombie

And that is downright scary.

101 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:15pm
102 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:32pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Good post. I've always been suspicious of the term "human rights" -- it implies some codified listing (such as the Bill of Rights) of entitlements which apply to all humans in all countries on the planet. In reality it is a vague, nebulous, idealistic concept to which lefties like to appeal in order to assert their self-identified alignment with superior morality.

103 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:44pm

re: #91 Cognito

Malfeasance would mean the Rocky cut down the video to make it appear as something other than truth -- did they do that? Or did the video come to them as is?

I think they did indeed crop down the video. George kept filming - - he just later lopped off the inconvenient part.

104 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:54pm

I just sent the link to the Denver PD, to be forwarded to Officer Stewart and also thanked the PD for a job well done.

105 outsidephilly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:34:19pm

I just called Denver's non-emergency number, 720-913-2000. I referred LGF's website to the dispatcher for follow-up by Denver's police chief regarding this incident recorded by Zombie.

106 seekeroftruth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:34:21pm
...Rocky Mountain News in particular committed an act of media malfeasance by purposely posting on their site a deceptive video that left out all the context surrounding the incident. Furthermore, many blogs jumped on the story and trumpeted it as evidence of police misbehavior, when in fact there was no misbehavior at all.

Thank you Zombie for setting the record straight. I am sick and tired of watching the media promote a tiny piece of a larger video to sway public opinion in one direction. We had a member of the media doing the exact same thing on this blog on this particular story as well. Thank for your report and for setting the record straight. It really is an act of media malfeasance.

107 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:34:38pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Excellently put. You have my respect. And my very first upding.

cheers

eon

108 Cognito  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:34:43pm

re: #103 zombie

I think they did indeed crop down the video. George kept filming - - he just later lopped off the inconvenient part.

I'm not entirely clear who he is -- does he work for the Rocky, or was he a stander-arounder?

109 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:35:03pm

re: #98 Ojoe

or Robert Burns said that

110 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:36:08pm

in soviet union you don't have human rights HUMAN RIGHTS HAS YOU.

111 Cognito  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:36:41pm

Got to run out for a moment. Look forward to further discussion in a bit.

112 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:36:42pm

re: #108 Cognito

I'm not entirely clear who he is -- does he work for the Rocky, or was he a stander-arounder?

I think he works for the RMN.

113 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:36:51pm

re: #91 Cognito

A well-thought-out post. I won't be blitzing you.

114 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:36:55pm

re: #97 Dianna

He will at least get a scolding for addressing her as "bitch." Even if she did deserve it.

I'll forward it.

he must explain that he actually said 'bee-atch' which is a term of endearment. He would have called her 'ho' if he knew her better.

115 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:37:11pm

I would remind the readers that Alicia Forrester is behaving in precisely the provocative manner that Code Pink (and other groups) instructs its people to act. They hold classes on how to do it, how to feign injury, how to insult the police,
in short, how to manufacture an incident of police brutality.

This is no big secret, people

116 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:37:39pm

re: #2 zombie

Actually, I apologize to everyone for this report: it's admittedly on a pretty trivial incident, that no one outside of moonbat-land even cares about any more -- but I just couldn't sit on the exposé-worthy evidence and let another leftist lie go unchallenged.

I beg to differ Z...It's far from trivial. Your great work exposes the massive amount of "little lies" the MSM perpetrates every day.

117 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:37:57pm

re: #115 rawmuse

I would remind the readers that Alicia Forrester is behaving in precisely the provocative manner that Code Pink (and other groups) instructs its people to act. They hold classes on how to do it, how to feign injury, how to insult the police,
in short, how to manufacture an incident of police brutality.

This is no big secret, people

I know. I'll been to a Code Pink training class. You hit the nail right on the head.

118 shlomzie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:38:22pm

While I agree with the criticism of the press, who deliberately conveyed a false impression, I would not be so quick to exonerate Officer Stewart.
The guy was taunted -- she wanted him to react, and he fell for it.
True, I would have done the same, but I'm not a police officer. Presumably, these guys are trained a lot in the exercise of self-restraint, and what they faced here was not so unusual in their line of work. I don't think most of the officers there would have acted as Stewart did -- calling her a bitch and hitting her needlessly in response to her taunting. But this guy was either less experienced or had a short fuse, and I bet he got told off by his superiors because of it.
High school teachers have to stay calm in similar situations. If they cannot, they get reprimanded. And if it happens too often, they should find a different job.

119 winston06  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:38:27pm

great reporting

120 Paul  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:39:07pm

The Left always needs a martyr, if necessary, they'll manufacture one.
Sometime with the connivance of the MSM.

Thank God for zombie and a few other brave souls who are not intimidated by the lies, threats and outright thuggery of the Left.

Zombie, stay safe and stay anonymous.

121 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:39:16pm

re: #117 zombie

And I have been to Police classes on how to counter them.

122 daddyo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:39:46pm

On Dec-31-1984 near Times Square a NY cop "gently" jabbed me in the ribs 'cause I ignored his request to "move along". I'm grateful I wasn't arrested.

123 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:40:00pm

Zombie,

How on earth do you keep putting together these superb reports? Many thanks for this latest one.

(BTW, did you get the email I sent you yesterday?)

124 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:40:14pm

"back it up, bee-atch" would sound very friendly in some circles.

maybe he'll get scolded for sexual harassment.

125 seekeroftruth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:40:17pm

re: #115 rawmuse

I would remind the readers that Alicia Forrester is behaving in precisely the provocative manner that Code Pink (and other groups) instructs its people to act. They hold classes on how to do it, how to feign injury, how to insult the police,
in short, how to manufacture an incident of police brutality.

This is no big secret, people

Many people do not know that Code Pink instructs their people how to act. They only see the small little news clip over and over again. The MSM does not fairly report the actions of Code Pink and others. They leave that part out.

126 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:41:09pm

I saw that the Recreate 68 guy (later identified as Carlo Garcia) had been confrontational and threatened to remove the Christians himself, because he didn’t like what they were saying

Showing once again that it is the Left who threaten violence and act upon it. Liberal Facism is alive!

127 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:41:32pm

re: #118 shlomzie

While I agree with the criticism of the press, who deliberately conveyed a false impression, I would not be so quick to exonerate Officer Stewart.
The guy was taunted -- she wanted him to react, and he fell for it.
True, I would have done the same, but I'm not a police officer. Presumably, these guys are trained a lot in the exercise of self-restraint, and what they faced here was not so unusual in their line of work. I don't think most of the officers there would have acted as Stewart did -- calling her a bitch and hitting her needlessly in response to her taunting. But this guy was either less experienced or had a short fuse, and I bet he got told off by his superiors because of it.
High school teachers have to stay calm in similar situations. If they cannot, they get reprimanded. And if it happens too often, they should find a different job.

I strongly disagree. The Officer reacted with great restraint in a chaotic, dangerous, threatening situation.

128 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:42:17pm

It's getting to the point where we cannot trust the mainstream media. Any of it.

Great work Zombie.

129 AmeriDan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:42:20pm

Great job Zombie.

I don't know about you folks but it warms my heart to see the last part. She deserved to be jerked away- and into the police line- at her moment of glory in front of a reporter to tell of her "abuse".

The look on her face is priceless.

Again, good job Zombie.

130 little blessing  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:42:21pm

re: #122 daddyo

Did you goad him? Did you continue to provoke him? Was the situation investigated?

Just Curious.

131 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:42:26pm

re: #89 cardiacmont

Not "Food Not Bombs"! Agh! I really don't like them.

They used to be the group in the world I hated worst - they nearly got my innocent head cracked back in the late '80's. I'd gone to Union Square to see what they were up to, bringing a can of food. They got everyone riled up, then their leadership made a quiet getaway. While a bunch of excitable liberals were trying to annoy the police into hurting us (and it was purely because they were over-excited - some people act like they're suffering a contact high in a crowd, these were not hard-core socialists or anything like it), and I was stuck, wedged in, I saw the "leaders" hot-footing it away, and started yelling about it. Channel 2 news actually turned their cameras on them, and showed it on the nightly news.

Those people have gone. But the group remains.

They feed the "homeless" on vegetarian fare. The homeless then proceed to get the runs. There are alleys South of Market that are utterly disgusting after "Food Not Bombs" has shown their compassion.

132 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:43:05pm

Simple. When a police officer tells you to move, you move.

133 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:44:03pm

re: #116 ted

I beg to differ Z...It's far from trivial. Your great work exposes the massive amount of "little lies" the MSM perpetrates every day.

The Big Lie technique is really unnecessary; a large number of little lies are just as effective, and harder to refute.

Unfortunately, the militant cacotopians of the left figured this out a long time ago.

/cacotopia- dystopia resulting from an attempt to create a utopia by force or fiat

/utopia- from the Greek; actually means "no place"

cheers

eon

134 Irish Rose  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:44:19pm

Zombie, this is an awesome expose.
I hope that you've turned this evidence over to the Denver PD.

Are you getting any emails about this from the rabid left yet?

135 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:44:40pm

My father was on the other side of this argument. He's been the cop with the stick. So clearly my loyalty lies there.

Those hippies are there because they care about whatever subject is being debated, to the point of being crazed fanatics, but they care. The police are there because it is their job. They have wives, husbands, and children and don't want to die or end up in the hospital over whatever subject they're fighting over.

136 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:44:44pm

re: #127 ted

I strongly disagree. The Officer reacted with great restraint in a chaotic, dangerous, threatening situation.

I'm with you.

137 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:45:09pm

re: #108 Cognito

I don't think zombie can answer that. Perhaps you ought to forward those as questions for the Rocky Mountain News?

138 USA  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:45:29pm
139 Kulhwch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:45:40pm

Excellent work, Zombie.  And great sleuthing, too.

}:)     [You don't happen to be a mild-mannered reporter at a small metropolitan paper, do you?]

140 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:46:14pm

re: #126 solomonpanting

I saw that the Recreate 68 guy (later identified as Carlo Garcia) had been confrontational and threatened to remove the Christians himself, because he didn’t like what they were saying

Showing once again that it is the Left who threaten violence and act upon it. Liberal Facism is alive!

Actually, the violence part is pure Fascism (as part of a militaristic credo) -- Liberal Fascism is the kind which seeks to impose totalitarianism via non-violent actions (think food Nazis banning transfats in NY). Hence, the moustachioed smiley face on Goldberg's Liberal Fascism tome.

/Not to be too pedantic about it....

141 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:46:48pm

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

Warning !
NSFW And Kiddies!
Strong Language!

142 Siscoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:46:48pm

Sorry - can't feel sorry for this idiot or any of the other moonbats who got arrested. Kudos to that officer - had it been me, I probably wouldn't have been able hold out for much longer.

143 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:46:49pm

They point about this lying media behavior, is this.

We've caught them lying, more than once.

So, the credibility of their entire product is, at the very least, suspect.

In this world, there are the people you can trust, and then,

there is everyone else.

144 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:47:04pm

re: #135 Silhouette

My father was on the other side of this argument. He's been the cop with the stick. So clearly my loyalty lies there.

Those hippies are there because they care about whatever subject is being debated, to the point of being crazed fanatics, but they care. The police are there because it is their job. They have wives, husbands, and children and don't want to die or end up in the hospital over whatever subject they're fighting over.

The cops have a thankless job. They cannot allow things to get out of hand - that poses a danger to everyone. To have taken being taunted for many minutes shows, to me, that this cop has received appropriate training, and when he thought he needed to take action, he did. I'm with you on this.

145 Irish Rose  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:47:30pm

Can I use the "c" word here?

No?

Pity.

146 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:47:58pm

re: #133 eon

True.

147 daddyo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:48:16pm

re: #130 little blessing

Did you goad him? Did you continue to provoke him? Was the situation investigated?

Just Curious.


I didn't provoke or goad the cop. And I wasn't creating a scene, although I was drunk. If I'd listened to him in the first place I wouldn't have been hit.
And it wasn't bad. Better to start the new year with some bruises, than a mugshot.

148 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:48:21pm

re: #141 ted

Yeah, I love that skit -- cracks me up.

149 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:48:28pm

re: #136 reine.de.tout

I'm with you.

Thx.

150 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:48:51pm

re: #148 StinkHammer

Yeah, I love that skit -- cracks me up.

Great stuff.

151 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:48:57pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

The cops have a thankless job. They cannot allow things to get out of hand - that poses a danger to everyone. To have taken being taunted for many minutes shows, to me, that this cop has received appropriate training, and when he thought he needed to take action, he did. I'm with you on this.

It takes a certain amount of aggression to keep drum circles from forming. once that happens, it's all over

152 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:49:07pm

re: #141 ted

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

Warning !
NSFW And Kiddies!
Strong Language!

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thank you!

I've been trying to link that, but my cut-and-paste won't work.

153 europhobe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:50:31pm

Cognito: You stated the other night "she was definitely injured". On what basis did you say that and what have you to say now? Other than I'm sorry.

154 Colonel Panik  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:51:11pm

re: #131 Dianna


They feed the "homeless" on vegetarian fare. The homeless then proceed to get the runs. There are alleys South of Market that are utterly disgusting after "Food Not Bombs" has shown their compassion.

You mean they are not giving the "homeless" their minimum daily requirement of fiber?

155 swamprat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:51:15pm

re: #117 zombie

I know. I'll been to a Code Pink training class. You hit the nail right on the head.

Was it this one? ....loads slow

156 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:51:48pm

re: #131 Dianna

Yes, they're like the punk/crusty version of the Diggers -- moonbat-Left agitators hiding behind ostensible (and totally unregulated) "community service." Unlike legitimate charitable groups, they never tie their relief efforts to personal improvement, job training, etc. of the affected groups. Why sober up, find God, and/or try to get work or housing? --it's The Man's* fault that you're on the streets, so Fight the Power, Comrade!

*The Man -- leftist-speak that means, "any White person with a job other than barista, bike messenger, or 'sex worker'."

157 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:51:51pm

Stewart wasn't over the top. Considering her alone in isolation from the crowd might seem to be the objective thing to do, but it's not. The police must also gage whether her actions and constant movement past the limits and her constant "in your face" challenging was encouraging the crowd to do the same. I seriously doubt that Stewart actually pushed her hard enough to fall down without some feigning on her part. It was only slightly more forceful than the previous push.

158 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:52:16pm

re: #145 Irish Rose

Can I use the "c" word here?

No?

Pity.

No, because her being a jerk is not connected to accidents of birth. She'd be a jerk with XX or XY.

159 noshariaincanada  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:52:32pm

zombie you're doing great work, and I really hope it gets recognized beyond this den of lizards.

160 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:53:47pm

re: #152 Silhouette

Thank you!

I've been trying to link that, but my cut-and-paste won't work.

NP !

161 little blessing  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:53:55pm

re: #127 ted

I'm with you, Ted. If you look at the pictures you can see that the other police officers have not intervened. They barely spare her a glance. Now if there was really a case of inappropriate behaviour don't you think some of the other officers would have got involved?

The only fault I can find with Officer Stewart is his name calling. Whilst it may be true, police need to act with respect even whilst enforcing the law.

re: #147 daddyo

Just as I thought. The only reason this is going to be pursued is because of the media attention and the lefty lunatics.

162 Colonel Panik  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:54:00pm

re: #151 spidly

It takes a certain amount of aggression to keep drum circles from forming. once that happens, it's all over

G_dD_mn Hippies!

If you don't get rid of your Giggling Stoners and your Drum Circle hippies, they will attract something much worse. The College Know-It-All hippies.

163 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:55:09pm

re: #156 mikalm

Yes, they're like the punk/crusty version of the Diggers .

Wow, a Diggers reference -- I haven't heard that term for years. Nice one.

164 Irish Rose  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:55:21pm

re: #141 ted

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

Warning !
NSFW And Kiddies!
Strong Language!

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Now that's funny ;).

165 daddyo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:57:35pm

re: #147 daddyo

The only reason this is going to be pursued is because of the media attention and the lefty lunatics.


Well at least we can thank goodness for Zombie

166 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:57:47pm

re: #154 Colonel Panik

They only feed the homeless (and the only reason I'm not enclosing that in scare quotes is because there's no point to irony) about once a month. The homeless usually subsist on...how shall I put this?...a less than balanced diet. Even if they eat at St. Anthony or St. Vincent de Paul or one of the other shelters, they don't seem to do it often.

The sad thing is, FNB have a bunch of rather sweet, clueless people who just want to help others working with them. It drives me slightly mad. They ask, constantly, "But what's wrong with feeding people?"

167 paradox42  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:58:46pm

re: #162 Colonel Panik

I know how to deal with hippies.

Slayer!

168 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:58:55pm

re: #156 mikalm

I know. Oh, I know!

My detestation of FNB cannot be plumbed by normal means.

169 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:59:12pm

'Scuse me if you've already seen this, I haven't had time to read all the threads today:

Sarah Palin's brain is three times the size of Joe Biden's. It's science.([Link: www.palinfacts.com)...]

Sarah Palin used to wrestle kodiak bears in Alaskan bare knuckles fight clubs.

Sarah Palin once bagged a caribou by staring it down until it died.

Sarah Palin turned down a job as skipper of a Deadliest Catch boat because it wasn't challenging enough

Sarah Palin fishes salmon by convincing them it's in their interest to jump into the boat.

Sarah Palin once guided Santa's sleigh through an Alaskan blizzard with the light from her smile.

Chuck Norris wishes he was Sarah Palin trapped in a man's body.

Sarah Palin paid her way through school by hunting for yeti pelts with a slingshot.

Sarah Palin knows the location of DB Cooper's body because she threw him from the plane.

The Northern Lights are really just the reflection from Sarah Palin's eys.

The raw energy of Sarah Palin melts the Alaskan ice roads every spring.

We don't know who would win in a Chuck Norris - Sarah Palin cage match because they've never inventea cage that can hold Sarah Palin.

Alaska is the 49th state solely because they knew even before she was born that Sarah Palin would never finish last.

Global Warming doesn't kill polar bears. Sarah Palin does - usually with her bare hands.

Three of Sarah Palin's five kids came out sideways - she never flinched.

Sarah Palin's hotness is the largest single contributor to melting polar ice caps.

It's not raining in DC. Those are God's tears of joy that McCain picked Sarah Palin.

We don't know who would win in a Chuck Norris - Sarah Palin cage match bcause they've never invented a cage that can hold Sarah Palin

170 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:59:36pm
171 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:59:37pm

The Real Deal.

Don't mess with Russian Police

172 Cognito  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:59:46pm

re: #153 europhobe

Cognito: You stated the other night "she was definitely injured". On what basis did you say that and what have you to say now? Other than I'm sorry.

No, I don't believe I did say that, because I knew she later spoke with reporters on the scene.

Posting on the fly, with apologies.

173 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:59:56pm

re: #158 Silhouette

Yes but they are different kinds of jerks. If a man stands up to another man he does so becuase he thinks he can beat him. She took on the cop because it was beyond her comprehension the he would beat her. There's a gender difference there. She thought her feminine status meant the cops would dare touch her.

174 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:04:20pm

re: #163 StinkHammer

Wow, a Diggers reference -- I haven't heard that term for years. Nice one.

They're considered quite the cultural heroes around SF, despite (or more likely, because of) the fact that it was largely them, along with the infinitely loathsome Jerry Rubin, who first injected the largely apolitical Hippie culture here with moonbattery. To cite the South Park reference above, they were the Know It All College Hippies who arrived in the wake of the first two subspecii, and permanently poisoned the scene with the ideology and tactics we're still seeing in places like Denver.

175 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:04:32pm

I e-mailed this LGF link to all everyone mentioned at the bottom.

I encourage everyone else to do so! power in numbers.

176 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:04:59pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I believe you have a valid point, there. But the hippie men also taunt the police, because they know the police have to use restraint and say "sir" and "ma'am", so they too know, to an extent, that they can get away with it.

And like Forrest, they know if they don't 'get away with it', if the police push back, they can claim victimhood.

It frankly reminds me, on a non-lethal scale, of the jihadists surrounding themselves with children or other innocents. They are counting on the fact that their enemies have more decency than they do, and holding their fire. And if not, if the kids are killed, bonus to them!

177 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:04:59pm

Fuck her and the rest of them. The police gave them a legal order to get back and stay back. They didn't. What happened? Tough shit you spoiled little bitch. I have no patience with assholes on the extreme left or right. Pepper spray for the lot.

178 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:05:26pm

re: #162 Colonel Panik

G_dD_mn Hippies!

If you don't get rid of your Giggling Stoners and your Drum Circle hippies, they will attract something much worse. The College Know-It-All hippies.

Stan's speech - die hippie die
Cartman Pacifies hippies-die hippie die

179 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:06:38pm

re: #169 garycooper

LOL ! :)

180 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:07:13pm

re: #162 Colonel Panik

G_dD_mn Hippies!

If you don't get rid of your Giggling Stoners and your Drum Circle hippies, they will attract something much worse. The College Know-It-All hippies.

College Know-It-All hippies

181 Winslow  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:07:16pm

Secret Agent Z!
Secret Agent Z!
You show us all the news that
MSM won't let us see.

182 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:07:22pm

re: #123 mikalm

Zombie,

How on earth do you keep putting together these superb reports? Many thanks for this latest one.

(BTW, did you get the email I sent you yesterday?)

I did, but too busy to do anything more, reportage-wise, for a while.

183 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:08:58pm

I just got back from my walk.

I went down the Main Post Office where I have my P.O. Box. On the way down I noticed Several things.

The redhead who walked into the local Obamatology Org would have been hot were it not for the perpetual Marxist scowl on her face.

That there was a serious party at a well known piano bar on a major street (all of which I'm not going to name at present for obvious reasons) and that a nice lady was bringing out ice water to the State Troopers on guard duty.

I passed a Paulbot with her toy Ron Paul blimp under her arm on Nicollet island.

Minneapolis police on bikes wave back when you wave at them.

And I'm going to boycott Uncle Hugo's Science Fiction Bookstore from now on.

I picked up the latest issue of the bookstore's newsletter at my P.O. box. after announcing that they were having a sale on used books someone inserted this charming paragraph:

We hope you can get here the first weekend, before the RNC begins, but who knows about the period while the RNC is in town. We suggest that you stop thinking of the RNC as the Republican National Convention and instead think of it as the Republican National Circus, with one team of clowns performing inside the convention center and a different team of clowns performing on the streets outside the convention center.

They have a right to their own opinion, regardless of how utterly distorted it is. They do not have a right to my custom.

I've been doing business with them for three decades. Never again will I step into that store.

I would suggest a long term metaphysical destination for them but I have no reason to believe in the existence of Hell.

184 littleguitar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:09:00pm

Thank you Zombie (and Charles) for this report. It documents events similar to what I've seen myself, which is precisely why I don't subscribe to my local paper anymore (or the prevailing local blue-state political culture).

185 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:10:02pm

re: #174 mikalm

They're considered quite the cultural heroes around SF, despite (or more likely, because of) the fact that it was largely them, along with the infinitely loathsome Jerry Rubin, who first injected the largely apolitical Hippie culture here with moonbattery.

I was an enormous fan of Richard Brautigan's books for many years (and still am to a large degree), and if I recall correctly he participated in the S.F. Diggers scene and wrote about it. Though, in Brautigan's case he was most likely in it for the Hippie chicks. Also, since he was a bit of a gun nut (the way he eventually took his life), I don't think he was ever totally on board with the pacifistic notions of the Hippies (even though he was sympathetic to their communal ideals).

186 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:10:51pm

Excellent job, zombie!

Buncha filthy spoiled brats is right, tfk.

Spit!

187 Whale Watcher  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:11:20pm
Do you think Officer Stewart should be investigated or suspended?

I think he should be promoted.

188 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:11:56pm

Last weeks headlines: Obama, Obama, Obama.

This weeks headlines: Gustav, Gustav, Gustav.

What media bias?

189 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:11:56pm

Not even close to the old days. Pffftt .Lil pvzzies.

Beautiful well trained horses.

190 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:12:55pm

re: #182 zombie

Understood.

Look out for a second, and more personal, email coming from me in the next hour or so. (Nothing serious -- it's just that once again, I've spotted two people in reports of yours who I know personally, and want to give you the low-down on them.)

191 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:13:18pm

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

Mr. Burns: Let's go back to the nuclear plant.

Smithers: What about the jars of urine, sir?

Mr. Burns: Oh, we'll hang on to those.

I think there are instructions for using urine in the IMPROVISED MUNITIONS HANDBOOK.

(Have to go to gun show to buy one, bwaahahahahahaha!)

192 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:13:20pm

re: #189 vagabond trader

Not even close to the old days. Pffftt .Lil pvzzies.

Beautiful well trained horses.

Made me angry to see that the horses had to have eye protectors on because these human pieces of dirt aren't even beyond hurting innocent animals.

193 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:13:54pm

re: #183 The Other Les

Commie bookstores are as common as fleas in SF. I have learned to either go in to them only for the purpose of opposition research, or not at all. There is a new one on Mission St. I walked past it last week. Big pictures of Mao, Stalin and even Trotsky. It looked like it had abut 6 books in it. A noxious little place.

194 Omni  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:14:01pm

It really is telling when an insignificant thing like this becomes the most publicized protest "incident" of the convention.

This is what a disproportional response really is. Geez, Americans are spoiled.

195 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:14:50pm

[Link: drybonesblog.blogspot.com...]

ANOTHER REASON FOR JOHN MCCAIN

196 the_flying_pig  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:15:07pm

re: #37 zombie

Then it is up to us lizardoids, Charles Johnson and the right stop the left from doing that any further, zombie!

197 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:15:39pm

Rove on FNC now. He must be pleased about the uproar the Palin pick has caused.

198 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:16:20pm
199 Midwestprof  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:16:39pm

Zombie--Great job, as always!

You probably have answered this previously, but can we expect to see your reports from St. Paul?

200 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:17:19pm

re: #193 rawmuse

Commie bookstores are as common as fleas in SF. I have learned to either go in to them only for the purpose of opposition research, or not at all.

I wouldn't be able to enter any of them without bursting into laughter. I mean, the very concept of a commercial enterprise selling books advocating the dispersal of private enterprise is ironic high comedy. Plus, the cliche factor alone is worth a chortle.

201 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:17:55pm

FNC just ran that sound bite with the donk saying God must be on our side. The asshole is spinning it as joke on Jerry Falwells Post 9-11 comments. Right.

202 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:18:02pm

Great job Zombie. You shred!

203 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:18:53pm
204 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:19:02pm

re: #201 pingjockey

FNC just ran that sound bite with the donk saying God must be on our side. The asshole is spinning it as joke on Jerry Falwells Post 9-11 comments. Right.

Fox News ran it? Great. I was thinking no one would touch it.

205 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:19:34pm

re: #200 StinkHammer

They would say that they are "In it but not OF it" (commerce).

206 seekeroftruth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:19:41pm

re: #201 pingjockey

FNC just ran that sound bite with the donk saying God must be on our side. The asshole is spinning it as joke on Jerry Falwells Post 9-11 comments. Right.

I just saw that too. What a jerk!

207 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:19:48pm

re: #193 rawmuse

Commie bookstores are as common as fleas in SF. I have learned to either go in to them only for the purpose of opposition research, or not at all. There is a new one on Mission St. I walked past it last week. Big pictures of Mao, Stalin and even Trotsky. It looked like it had abut 6 books in it. A noxious little place.

Uncle Hugo's was just a plain old Science Fiction bookstore.

Now that I shop on Amazon it's essentially irrelevant now.

208 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:20:11pm

re: #204 reine.de.tout

Just now. Brit Hume is on from the RNC convention.

209 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:20:24pm

re: #91 Cognito

Just curious. What is the magic number of warnings police officers give until someone is deemed to have interfered with an officer in his/her line of duty?

210 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:21:23pm

re: #209 solomonpanting
Hmmm. We were told on the ship to give one warning then shoot!

211 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:21:31pm

re: #205 rawmuse

They would say that they are "In it but not OF it" (commerce).

And they would be, frankly, full of shit.

:^)

212 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:21:35pm

I was in a hippie book store just an hour or so ago. Little goth girl regaling her circle of friends with the wish that she could post a big NoBama sticker right next to her No To McCain sticker.

She's not happy with either choice, it seems. Me neither!

I'm guessing that our reasons, however, are polar opposites.

213 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:21:46pm

re: #200 StinkHammer

I wouldn't be able to enter any of them without bursting into laughter. I mean, the very concept of a commercial enterprise selling books advocating the dispersal of private enterprise is ironic high comedy. Plus, the cliche factor alone is worth a chortle.

There was one local Rec bookstore that kept changing locations.

Maybe they had a problem with paying the rent?

214 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:22:02pm

re: #198 reine.de.tout

These people need to read the whole article. Every time.

They won't, of course. But they should.

215 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:22:04pm

re: #197 pingjockey

Rove on FNC now. He must be pleased about the uproar the Palin pick has caused.

Sarah Palin is the real reformer that the Obamessiah pretends to be. Just as comparisons between John McCain and Joe the Bigmouth Biden don't make the latter look very "statesmanlike".

When the voters start comparing their track records (as they will), it will most likely be Game Over for Obama/Biden, and the DNC knows it.

I wonder at what point the Democrats will realize that their "philosophy of power" died a long time ago, and has long since started to smell?

cheers

eon

216 Alouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:22:05pm

re: #97 Dianna

He will at least get a scolding for addressing her as "bitch." Even if she did deserve it.

I'll forward it.

He had an allergic reaction to a bee sting, bee itch.

217 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:22:44pm

Ατοπια Atopia = No place.

Ευ τοπια Eutopia = Good place.

Κακο τοπια Cacotopia = Bad Place

Utopia, as it is spelled, does really mean anything in Greek. No doubt it has entered Greek by foreign sources by now. This is all reverse translation like the Japanese saying, "Let's beer." or "Let's Coke™." for "Let's go have a beer." etc.

218 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:23:10pm

re: #201 pingjockey

FNC just ran that sound bite with the donk saying God must be on our side. The asshole is spinning it as joke on Jerry Falwells Post 9-11 comments. Right.

I said "Just give them a few hours to figure out the spin, and not only are they not at fault, but it is the right's fault."

But I'm hardly clairvoyant. They do that every time.

219 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:23:19pm

re: #91 Cognito
It's not a matter of the officer being in danger in this case. He was there to control the situation which was already chaotic. When a cop says 'back up'.. you back the fk up. Period.

220 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:24:02pm

[Link: www.jpost.com...]
NOT SURE OF THE POINT OF THIS.

221 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:24:16pm

re: #210 pingjockey

Hmmm. We were told on the ship to give one warning then shoot!

Thank you.

222 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:24:25pm

re: #217 David IV of Georgia

Ατοπια Atopia = No place.

Ευ τοπια Eutopia = Good place.

Κακο τοπια Cacotopia = Bad Place.

Tapioca = Good Pudding.

223 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:25:25pm

re: #219 NoSubmission

It's not a matter of the officer being in danger in this case. He was there to control the situation which was already chaotic. When a cop says 'back up'.. you back the fk up. Period.

when he says back it up bitch you immediately start grinding

224 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:25:33pm

re: #215 eon

One word. 'Authenticity.' Palin embodies it. Obama doesn't know the meaning of it.

225 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:26:18pm

Even without the full context in thee RMN version I laughed my ass off.

"Fuckin' do it again...WHAM!

Never gets old.

226 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:26:46pm

OT - Mayor Nagin, quoting Saddam Hussein.

"Gustav is the Mother of All Storm."

227 Arbalest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:26:54pm

To return,for a bit, to one of the earliest items on this thread, the media outlets that distribute this video clip and push the "innocence" of Forrest (and Code pink in general) are vulnerable:

1. Send e-mails to their advertisers, telling them what the Media is doing.

A few wealthy real-estate developers recently helped adjust Berkeley's arttitude towards the Marines.

2. TV and Radio stations have to have their licenses periodically renewed.

How do/did they present this incident?

Send them an e-mail as soon as the clip airs, and the incident is broadcast. The video shown is deliberately incomplete and this is (as of now) public knowledge.

Perhaps they showed the entire event, perhaps they commented on the missing footage, perhaps the later issues an acceptable correction (time, duration, commentary, etc.). but perhaps they let the Code Pink view prevail.

This might be an item to mention to the FCC during the license review process ...

Future incidents of this sort might become quite rare.

228 Sol Roth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:27:22pm

re: #37 zombie

That is how the left is treating this.

1 Alex Jones is treading on thin, Section 8, ice.

2. This is possibly the best story you've done so far. It exposes deliberate manipulation by the Media in order to frame a police official. Perhaps even to extort the Denver Police Department.

The Officer should file suit against the Rocky Mountain News.

229 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:27:40pm

re: #220 yochanan

[Link: www.jpost.com...]
NOT SURE OF THE POINT OF THIS.

think it means the speculation is true that there will be strikes after the US election and before the new President takes office?

230 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:28:01pm

re: #226 Silhouette

OT - Mayor Nagin, quoting Saddam Hussein.

"Gustav is the Mother of All Storm."

that seems to be Nagin's favorite line. I believe he said it about Katrina, too.

Nagin needs to expand his vocabulary.

231 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:30:47pm

re: #229 spidly

I think it is to put pressue on the west, if they had set a date to attack the last thing they would have done is to put it in the jerusalem post this may be pressue to make the west do something so israel doesn't have to attack iran

232 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:31:28pm

re: #225 kevinmumaw

Even without the full context in thee RMN version I laughed my ass off.

"Fuckin' do it again...WHAM!

Never gets old.

As someone who was struck in the face at West Point with an anti-war sign by an A.N.S.W.E.R. organizer, this makes me laugh too.

233 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:31:33pm

re: #222 Silhouette

Tapioca = Good Pudding.

Tapiopia= Place of good pudding

234 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:31:44pm

re: #231 yochanan

I think it is to put pressue on the west, if they had set a date to attack the last thing they would have done is to put it in the jerusalem post this may be pressue to make the west do something so israel doesn't have to attack iran

good luck with that

235 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:31:54pm

re: #231 yochanan
Yep. Very possible. If IAF does attack, the date won't be in the newspaper!

236 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:32:36pm

The real villain here isn't, of course, the officer. But neither is it the Code Pink wacko, although she was in the wrong.

However, her sin is tiny compared to the biggest villain, the people that purposefully presented this edited video tape of only half the story to the world.


A half-truth is a total lie. And the Rocky Mountain News lied.

237 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:33:02pm
238 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:33:09pm

re: #235 pingjockey

the iranians will be the first to know sort of like the syrians being the first to know they lost a north korean nuke plant

239 seekeroftruth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:33:16pm

re: #236 Silhouette

The real villain here isn't, of course, the officer. But neither is it the Code Pink wacko, although she was in the wrong.

However, her sin is tiny compared to the biggest villain, the people that purposefully presented this edited video tape of only half the story to the world.


A half-truth is a total lie. And the Rocky Mountain News lied.

Exactly.

240 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:34:12pm

It's incidents like these that make you wish the RNC would hold a convention in Chicago soon. Let Code Pinko try that crap with the Chicago PD. I doubt she would be out of the hospital yet. And that Carlos chick would be 6 feet under for even thinking about swinging her sign. And the Tribune would back up the police.

241 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:34:30pm

My Joke Of The Day, which has not garnered any major laffs amongst my immediate family: "Gustav Wind"

Maybe it's the delivery...

242 europhobe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:34:35pm

Anybody see Obama today? He had this terrified look on his face like - oh shit, I might win this thing.

243 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:35:28pm

re: #232 NoSubmission

As someone who was struck in the face at West Point with an anti-war sign by an A.N.S.W.E.R. organizer, this makes me laugh too.

Did you go to West Point? What year?

244 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:36:59pm

"Too soon?"

245 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:37:31pm

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Why would any electorate vote for someone whose very name embodies broken promises?

Ray Nagin = Reneging

Ray Nagin on competence

Ray Nagin on rebuilding

Ray Nagin on leadership

The electorate voted for him a second time because his name was intentionally misspelled on the ballot:

Ray Again

246 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:37:50pm

re: #242 europhobe

Anybody see Obama today? He had this terrified look on his face like - oh shit, I might win this thing.

He can relax, imho.

247 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:37:55pm

re: #141 ted

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

Warning !
NSFW And Kiddies!
Strong Language!

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

You ever watch those true police/dumb criminal shows and wonder how many people who ended up with a felony arrest might have got just a warning?

My father had a coworker come in late to work one morning angrily muttering curses. Finally someone was able to get him to open up about why he was so mad. It seems that he was going a little fast to work and got pulled over. He handled the situation by cursing the policeman. Then once he got his ticket, he burned a little rubber as he left. Well, police have these things called radio and there was another policeman a bit up the road. He got pulled over again. Then a third time. And a fourth. He got four tickets on his way to work. He should have watched this video.

248 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:38:05pm

re: #212 Silhouette

I was in a hippie book store just an hour or so ago. Little goth girl regaling her circle of friends with the wish that she could post a big NoBama sticker right next to her No To McCain sticker.

She's not happy with either choice, it seems. Me neither!

I'm guessing that our reasons, however, are polar opposites.

What's stopping her? Did she say?

249 Perry  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:38:14pm

re: #236 Silhouette

The real villain here isn't, of course, the officer. But neither is it the Code Pink wacko, although she was in the wrong.

However, her sin is tiny compared to the biggest villain, the people that purposefully presented this edited video tape of only half the story to the world.


A half-truth is a total lie. And the Rocky Mountain News lied.

But isn't that what she hoped for? She instigated and they confabulated. I'm holding her at least as guilty as the press who edited their work to make her story more sympathetic. I am argumentative today. :-)

250 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:38:36pm

re: #243 kevinmumaw
Oh. No. I didn't attend West Point. I covered an anti-war protest there last year. I was shooting pictures and this A.N.S.W.E.R. dweeb assaulted me and then --shock!-- lied about it when I brought the state troopers over.

251 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:39:26pm

re: #230 reine.de.tout

that seems to be Nagin's favorite line. I believe he said it about Katrina, too.

Nagin needs to expand his vocabulary.

New Orleans needs better choices in their next mayoral election. Nagin is essentially repeating his Katrina act, i.e. telling everyone to do what they're already doing, and getting ready to blame FEMA, etc., for whatever goes wrong due to the city's (i.e., his own) lack of foresight.

And why shouldn't he? After all, it worked well enough last time around that he kept his job when LA governor Kathleen "Tabula Rasa" Blanco lost hers- mainly due to his non-performance in his job.

I've heard of the Peter Principle ("People are promoted to their level of incompetence") but Nagin is possibly the most egregious example of it since Ohio's own George Armstrong Custer. (The difference being that Custer only got to screw up royally once.)

cheers

eon

252 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:39:50pm

Fox News: RNC Convention postponed due to Gustov.

253 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:40:38pm

re: #235 pingjockey

Yep. Very possible. If IAF does attack, the date won't be in the newspaper!

...communications go down all over the mideast as they did some months back...

heard a lot of speculation that too many sorties are needed for Israel to do this without the US, so it has not and will not happen until Bush is free to act in the period between election and inauguration.

254 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:40:48pm

re: #242 europhobe

Anybody see Obama today? He had this terrified look on his face like - oh shit, I might win this thing.

haha...I tell ya, if he does, he better fix the universe quick, because if he doesn't, he's going to hear about it every hour of every day for at least the next 4 years. The day after inauguration...got Osama yet? No? Why not? Is every child healthy yet? Is everybody in college? Are the global temperatures decreasing yet? Repeat 365 times per year. In a way, I hope he does win so he can be blamed for absolutely everything that is not perfect in the world, whether it is his responsibility or not. And I mean everything. If it rains during the Indianapolis 500, Obama's fault. He'll look like he's 75 when it's over.

255 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:41:38pm

re: #2 zombie

Actually, I apologize to everyone for this report: it's admittedly on a pretty trivial incident, that no one outside of moonbat-land even cares about any more -- but I just couldn't sit on the exposé-worthy evidence and let another leftist lie go unchallenged.

And, from the post:

email the URL of this essay to the Rocky Mountain News, or the Denver Police “Independent Monitor”, or the Denver Post,

The latter has been done, to the RMN along with a letter, and cc'd to the other two plus the GM of a major Denver TV station whom I've corresponded with in the past.

Good Job, zombie!

256 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:42:03pm

While this is all very interesting - and not very surprising - what, exactly, are you doing about it other than posting it here? You excoriate others to spread links to it far and wide; how about contacting the police yourself and sending them the report first hand? How about contacting the Denver media directly with it? Or some of the national mew outlets? It would carry a lot more weight with the author attached to it than it will as just another blog story.

If you think this is bad, wait 'til the RNC gets off the ground. If this is how the media and the moonbats behave at the Democratic Convention, imagine what they're going to be like in Minneapolis.

257 Macker  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:42:32pm

re: #110 yochanan

in soviet union Putin's Russia you don't have human rights HUMAN RIGHTS HAS YOU.

There, fixed that for ya!

258 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:43:01pm

re: #248 Semper Gumbi

What's stopping her? Did she say?

I was afraid to engage her conversation. The illogic may have killed me, and I was, after all, in a book store to ADD to my knowledge, not erase it. ;-)

Maybe she has no idea how to acquire a bumper sticker on her own. Anti-McCain stickers are perhaps handed out like water in all the places she hangs out. But the self-reliance necessary to search out anti-Obama items may be beyond her.

On the other hand, maybe she and all her friends are hard-core pro-American "South Park" republicans, and I misjudged them solely on their appearance.

259 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:44:04pm

re: #249 Perry

I am argumentative today. :-)

Nope, it's a good point.

Aren't the Palis as guilty over Pallywood as the AP and Reuters apologists that carry water for them?

260 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:44:06pm

Two things that really drive the left nuts are gun toting Jews and a gun toting woman.

261 Macker  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:44:06pm

re: #240 kevinmumaw

Not as long as Richard M. Daley and his goons run the People's Socialist City-State of Chicago!

262 rain of lead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:45:11pm

here's the link
ex-dem chairman apologizes
"it was just a joke"
read the whole thing :0

263 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:45:59pm

For anyone who doesn't want to wade through all the comments, the vast majority of which were disgusted by his post, here's a great one not to miss:

"Of course, Alan, had she gone to a medical provider who crushed the baby’s head with forceps and vacuumed out the fragments and remaining tissue, she’d be a progressive exercising her reproductive choice, right?

And if during such procedure, the fetus were to emerge live born, Barak Obama would support the right of the physicians to let it die on the table.

But you want to talk about her prenatal care in conformance with the advice of her personal physician.

Just stunning, Alan. Stay classy."

Couldn't have said it better myself. J

Posted by: jeweytunes

264 gop_patriot  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:46:10pm

re: #252 StinkHammer

Thanks for the alert! I don't have FoxNews Channel on my Dish, and couldn't find it on FoxNews. com at first, but it's up on the website now:

McCain Suspends Most GOP Convention Programming

ST. PAUL — The Republican National Convention has suspended all but the most necessary activities to constitute a convention Monday and then will adjourn until further notice, John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, announced Sunday.

265 bikeguy65  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:46:42pm

re: #183 The Other Les

You should tell them that. Don't buy Kenneth Cole Stuff either.

266 Perry  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:46:46pm

re: #259 Silhouette

Nope, it's a good point.

Aren't the Palis as guilty over Pallywood as the AP and Reuters apologists that carry water for them?


No! I want to argue.
/more so.

267 Piglet-U93  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:04pm

re: #169 garycooper

Move over Chuck Norris

268 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:19pm

re: #207 The Other Les

Yeah. I hate it when people inject politics....especially hostile politics.... into non-political things.

A local cafe we go to put up an Obama sign in the window. (Not terribly big.) I think that's stupid business-wise, but I can ignore it. But when they put a No More McSame poster w/ an ugly picture of McCain on it, that was it for us.
The first one says "We're for Obama." (Okay. So you're a fool, but you still make a killer veggie sub.)
The second says, "I'm against anyone who's for McCain" (Okay. Adios.)

I've heard that they took the anti-McCain poster down a week or so after they put it up. But since I'm not welcome there, I won't go back to see if it's true.

269 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:32pm

Zombie,

I just sent the link to your essay to Denver Post, Denver Police Independent Monitor, and Peter Boyles (local radio talk show host).

For what it's worth, I made the effort and now it's up to them to digest your essay and take it into account for investigative purposes. I despise people attempting smears at officers doing their duties. Saying that, if an officer is in the wrong I'm one of the first to demand discipline.

My brother-in-law had a bad accident in a patrol car three days before his retirement party and about a week before last Christmas. He served 34 years.

It was touch and go for a while and he's in pretty good shape now considering how bad the accident was. He smashed his head against the computer between the seats and is still having memory problems but he is told it will come back with time.

So you can see why I have an affinity for police officers. 'Nuff said.

270 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:32pm

re: #256 SixDegrees

While this is all very interesting - and not very surprising - what, exactly, are you doing about it other than posting it here? You excoriate others to spread links to it far and wide; how about contacting the police yourself and sending them the report first hand?

Did you read the thread?

First of all, collecting this information and putting it in proper order is certainly "doing something." People complained that blogs didn't generate news but merely commented on it, and now, here is a true investigative report, and you poo-poo it too?

And several posters have commented that they have forwarded this on to the contacts. Imagine how many did so without mentioning it here, too.

271 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:55pm

re: #257 Macker

SSDD

272 mattm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:55pm

IMHO she was trying to get arrested so she cod get her 15 minutes. Normal people would never sand that close to mounted police in that situation.

273 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:48:17pm

re: #250 NoSubmission

Ah, cool. Nice pictures. I like the guy riding in the convertible with the mask on. People like that want you to believe they are making some kind of brave artistic statement, when in reality they are cowards who don't want to be identified. Same thing with violent peace activists. They claim to be all peace-like and opposed to violence, in reality they are deep seated cowards who are afraid to put on a uniform and carry a rifle if it implies any kind of potential harm. It's a nice cover that I don't think even many of them believe.

274 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:48:30pm

The police officer was certainly provoked but he probably should not have cross-checked her in the face to move her back. Instead, he should have pushed her back in the chest area. Other than that the officer IMO did nothing wrong at all.
The reporting was completely misleading and biased, and I hope there is a complaint to the applicable press council or other regulatory body.
This officer is fortunate that Zombie was there to provide a record of the context for his defence.
As usual, great job Zombie!

275 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:48:38pm

Makes you wonder what these people are trying to prove by being buffoons. I mean, court jesters are a thing of the past.

276 Banner  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:48:42pm

I remember reading about this gal in your initial report before it took off on the web. I even made a comment about that fact, that you had seen this and said she was faking.

I'm happy to see you actually took the time to expose this liar. The officer in this case is innocent, there is a lot of proof here to show that. And he deserves to have that proof shown so he isn't railroaded by a fake.

277 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:48:54pm

re: #241 garycooper

It's NOT funny! How do I know?
Mr. Wolf laughed.
(That's usually not a good sign, gc ! )

278 Macker  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:49:09pm

re: #272 mattm

IMHO she was trying to get arrested so she cod get her 15 minutes. Normal people would never sand that close to mounted police in that situation.

My goodness, if she wanted her 15 minutes, she could have just gotten laid!

279 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:50:20pm

re: #265 bikeguy65

You should tell them that. Don't buy Kenneth Cole Stuff either.

I will.

280 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:50:32pm

re: #264 gop_patriot

FRANKLY i think this will work out fine sort of the political verison of a company give out charity.
and it will sept MCCAIN/PALIN even more from bush. i mean does gov'r Palin look anything like VPOTUS CHENEY? i suspect if she wanted to 'bag a lier' he would stay bagged.

281 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:50:51pm

re: #266 Perry

No! I want to argue.
/more so.

Fine.

Dungeons and Dragons was a waste of time, and nothing compared to the wonder of reading Star Wars books.

And on another topic, clearly the Orange Route is the best choice.

282 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:50:52pm

re: #262 rain of lead

a link from your link - Indicted Hometown Senator Poses Problem for Sarah Palin

Indeed, Palin helped push through key ethics reform in Alaska. And it is clear she now opposes one of Steven’s pet projects, the so-called Bridge to Nowhere (though past statements show she supported it initially). And it is even clear that Palin is not afraid to fight entrenched Republican interests in Alaska. What is less clear is whether Palin will take a definitive stand for or against Stevens before November.
283 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:51:50pm

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Why would any electorate vote for someone whose very name embodies broken promises?

Ray Nagin = Reneging

Ray Nagin on competence

Ray Nagin on rebuilding

Ray Nagin on leadership

Nagin also is a world-class nag.
Ray Naggin'

284 Luigi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:51:52pm
Sarah Palin’s enemies are automatically added to the Endangered Species List
Sarah Palin will pry your Klondike bar from your cold dead fingers.
Sarah Palin’s finishing move in the VP debate will be pulling Biden’s still beating heart from his chest & taking a bite.

[Link: www.palinfacts.com...]

285 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:51:55pm

re: #252 StinkHammer

Fox News: RNC Convention postponed due to Gustov.

Good. That is probably the right thing to do. BTW, say what you want about Jindal, that dude is ALL OVER this hurricane. I was half-napping earlier and listening to Fox and he came on a spoke non-stop about exactly where everything is, what everyone is doing, and what they will do if the hurricane takes route X, Y, or Z. He spoke non-stop for what seemed like an hour, at an extremely high rate of speed and rattled off at least 75 different statistics. I'd say Louisiana is in good hands this time around.

286 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:52:12pm

re: #254 kevinmumaw

It would take the MSM to do that.
Not a chance.
They'll cover his patoot.

They won't hold him to account because they'd have to hold themselves to account, too.
Leftism means never having to say you're sorry.

287 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:52:13pm

OT: The rumor about Sarah Palin's son being her daughter's is starting to break through the Kos containment shield. (Scroll to the update.)

288 gunjam  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:53:02pm

Zombie, brilliant job of recreating and explaining -- in a blow-by-blow manner -- a very confusing situation.

How often has such a balanced view been lacking in a left-wing media smear-job?

I hope that the Denver P.D. pays attention to your work -- not only for Officer Stewart's sake , but also -- for the the truth's sake.

289 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:53:06pm

re: #282 spidly

a link from your link - Indicted Hometown Senator Poses Problem for Sarah Palin

GOV'R PALIN got to be gov'r because she faught the crooks in the good'o boy network. this just shows that the media guy is in tank for obama

290 Phsstpok  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:53:20pm

Officer Stewart should be disciplined for using the word "bitch." He should be suspended for a week, with pay, and sent somewhere, at city DNC expense, to contemplate his bad conduct.

Someplace like.... DisneyWorld?

291 Perry  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:54:27pm

re: #281 Silhouette

Fine.

Dungeons and Dragons was a waste of time, and nothing compared to the wonder of reading Star Wars books.

And on another topic, clearly the Orange Route is the best choice.


D&D was the best thing that EVAR happened, anywhere! You must write fan fiction. :-P

Orange Route? I am so turning you in to your alumni association.

292 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:54:38pm

re: #284 Luigi

wonder if she even likes fava beans.

293 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:54:43pm

re: #37 zombie

That is how the left is treating this.

Ironic, since Alex Jones was the one who abused Michelle Malkin at that same convention.

294 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:55:53pm

re: #261 Macker

Not as long as Richard M. Daley and his goons run the People's Socialist City-State of Chicago!

Yeah, Chicago on the whole sucks, but the PD are blue collar types with no patience for vegans from Berkeley. The batons would come out fast. There would be a high level of violence. Especially from the Polish ones. These are the sons and daughters of the 1968 Chicago PD.

295 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:56:34pm

re: #241 garycooper

My Joke Of The Day, which has not garnered any major laffs amongst my immediate family: "Gustav Wind"

Maybe it's the delivery...

Clever little turn of phrase. I've always wondered who the guy was that created the jokes we all repeat, and now I've found him!

296 BBev  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:57:18pm

For those that tried to help me with my lap top comp problems you can say good by to this old but faithful beauty for tomorrow there will be a new one to replace her. She has stayed by my side for 7 years but today is her end. She will now be relegated to financials and spread sheets and never to be on line again. At this point that I am even posting is beyond me.

297 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:57:29pm

Real police brutality?

Deputy says Russian police kill Web site owner

The owner of an independent Web site critical of authorities was shot and killed Sunday by police in a volatile province in southern Russia, his colleague said.

Police arrested Ingushetiya.ru owner Magomed Yevloyev on Sunday, taking him off a plane that had just landed in Ingushetia province near Chechnya, said the site's deputy editor, Ruslan Khautiyev.

Police whisked Yevloyev away in a car and later dumped him on the road with a gunshot wound in the head, Khautiyev said. He said Yevloyev died in a hospital shortly afterward.

298 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:57:37pm

re: #273 kevinmumaw

Ah, cool. Nice pictures. I like the guy riding in the convertible with the mask on. People like that want you to believe they are making some kind of brave artistic statement, when in reality they are cowards who don't want to be identified. Same thing with violent peace activists. They claim to be all peace-like and opposed to violence, in reality they are deep seated cowards who are afraid to put on a uniform and carry a rifle if it implies any kind of potential harm. It's a nice cover that I don't think even many of them believe.




A "pacifist male" is a contradiction in terms. Most self-described "pacifists" are not pacific; they simply assume false colors. When the wind changes, they hoist the Jolly Roger.

"Excerpts from the Notebooks of Lazarus Long",
in Time Enough For Love by Robert Heinlein

cheers

eon

299 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:58:06pm

re: #278 Macker

My goodness, if she wanted her 15 minutes, she could have just gotten laid!

5 times.

/I'm not letting out any man-secrets am I?

300 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:58:28pm

re: #296 BBev

Should we send flowers?
When is the service?

301 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:58:48pm

re: #294 kevinmumaw
the politics are a problem a one party state will do that, but compared to a lot of big cities chicago sort of works. compare chicago to n.o. or detriot. daley isn't anti bus. and generally he does not play the class war card.

302 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:59:20pm

re: #286 wolfie

It would take the MSM to do that.
Not a chance.
They'll cover his patoot.

They won't hold him to account because they'd have to hold themselves to account, too.
Leftism means never having to say you're sorry.

I don't listen to Rush, but I understand he is quite influential. And nobody watches ABC, NBC, CBS, or MESS-NBC anyway.

303 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:00:29pm

re: #285 kevinmumaw

Good. That is probably the right thing to do. BTW, say what you want about Jindal, that dude is ALL OVER this hurricane. I was half-napping earlier and listening to Fox and he came on a spoke non-stop about exactly where everything is, what everyone is doing, and what they will do if the hurricane takes route X, Y, or Z. He spoke non-stop for what seemed like an hour, at an extremely high rate of speed and rattled off at least 75 different statistics. I'd say Louisiana is in good hands this time around.

Did he tell Nagin to stay the F**k out of the way?

304 BigDog  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:00:43pm

I'd like to buy Officer Stewart a beer!

305 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:00:56pm

re: #302 kevinmumaw

I don't listen to Rush, but I understand he is quite influential. And nobody watches ABC, NBC, CBS, or MESS-NBC anyway.

Nawww.... he's not influential..... he only has the President call his show and congratulate him on 20 years on air.....

306 gunjam  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:01:29pm

Am I the only one who believes that the Denver P.D. likely saved the anti-homosexual preachers -- at the very least -- a beating? And -- at the worst -- a gruesome death at the hands of the leftist crowd?

And, again, does anyone else see the clear likelihood that both Carlo Garcia and Alicia Forrest are leftist saboteurs and provocateurs planted to create just this kind of havoc -- planned havoc that the leftist media is apparently willing to swallow hook, line, and sinker?

307 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:01:41pm

re: #290 Phsstpok

Officer Stewart should be disciplined for using the word "bitch." He should be suspended for a week, with pay, and sent somewhere, at city DNC expense, to contemplate his bad conduct.

Someplace like.... DisneyWorld?

Don't forget to send his family too, to remind him of why he has to be courteous to all people, even when they get in his face.

308 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:01:45pm

re: #296 BBev

For those that tried to help me with my lap top comp problems you can say good by to this old but faithful beauty for tomorrow there will be a new one to replace her. She has stayed by my side for 7 years but today is her end. She will now be relegated to financials and spread sheets and never to be on line again. At this point that I am even posting is beyond me.

7 years in PC time is like 120 human years.
Your old girl deserves to retire and you deserve a new PC.
And I bet the new one will not cost any more than the old one did.

309 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:01:48pm

Family Guy is on. I'll be back.

310 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:02:05pm

re: #304 BigDog

I'd like to buy Officer Stewart a beer!

I'll look him up and buy him a case!

311 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:02:41pm

re: #307 CyanSnowHawk

Don't forget to send his family too, to remind him of why he has to be courteous to all people, even when they get in his face.

they all get summit plummit spankings

312 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:03:00pm

re: #265 bikeguy65

You should tell them that. Don't buy Kenneth Cole Stuff either.

I just did.

I do not care to be mortally insulted. And I certainly do not care to be equated with the Enemies of Human Kind.

You have a right to your own opinion, regardless of how utterly distorted it is.

You do not have a right to my business.

I would be happy to suggest a long term metaphysical destination for you but I have no reason to believe in the existence of Hell.

Leslie Bates
[mailing address redacted]

313 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:03:10pm

re: #306 gunjam

Am I the only one who believes that the Denver P.D. likely saved the anti-homosexual preachers -- at the very least -- a beating? And -- at the worst -- a gruesome death at the hands of the leftist crowd?

And, again, does anyone else see the clear likelihood that both Carlo Garcia and Alicia Forrest are leftist saboteurs and provocateurs planted to create just this kind of havoc -- planned havoc that the leftist media is apparently willing to swallow hook, line, and sinker?

I have to agree....

314 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:03:28pm

re: #306 gunjam

Am I the only one who believes that the Denver P.D. likely saved the anti-homosexual preachers -- at the very least -- a beating? And -- at the worst -- a gruesome death at the hands of the leftist crowd?

I noticed that the leftists completely missed the irony that they were calling the other group "fascists" while they, the leftists, were actively trying to prevent the other's free speech.

315 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:04:29pm

re: #314 Silhouette

I noticed that the leftists completely missed the irony that they were calling the other group "fascists" while they, the leftists, were actively trying to prevent the other's free speech.

Irony isn't their best suit.....

316 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:04:55pm
317 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:05:27pm

re: #315 Gumby

Irony isn't their best suit.....

That's what happens to people who constantly rewrite reality.

318 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:07:03pm

re: #317 The Other Les

That's what happens to people who constantly rewrite reality.

From what I've seen and experienced, they have no concept of reality.... or refuse to entertain the idea there is a reality outside their tiny little vacuous heads....

319 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:07:39pm

waiting to see if skelator is on H & C

320 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:07:58pm

Nagin just called it the Storm of the Century.

Why not The Storm of the Millennium? Either way, it only has 8 years of competition.

321 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:08:55pm

A chaotic scene is ensuing and two actors stroll onto the set.

One is there to keep the peace, the other to disrupt it.

Officer Stewart, under intense stress and scrutiny made the best choice he could to get the message across to the Code Pink Protester. And then Alicia turned around and used the officers moment of weakness to exploit her message.

An investigation should take place, but not a smear campaign against a good officer that was trying to do his duty.

Rocky Mountain News should be ashamed of themselves for promoting this drivel.

And for the lefties going crazy over this, consider the situation: you have the freedom to protest and freedom to speech, but you also must be ready to face the consequences of these freedom's.

Just my two cents.

322 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:09:20pm

re: #320 Silhouette

Nagin just called it the Storm of the Century.

Why not The Storm of the Millennium? Either way, it only has 8 years of competition.

How about the worst storm in the last thousand years? /sarc

323 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:09:31pm

re: #256 SixDegrees

While this is all very interesting - and not very surprising - what, exactly, are you doing about it other than posting it here? You excoriate* others to spread links to it far and wide; how about contacting the police yourself and sending them the report first hand? How about contacting the Denver media directly with it? Or some of the national mew outlets? It would carry a lot more weight with the author attached to it than it will as just another blog story.

If you think this is bad, wait 'til the RNC gets off the ground. If this is how the media and the moonbats behave at the Democratic Convention, imagine what they're going to be like in Minneapolis.

Ummmmm...how does zombie *berate others to do anything?

324 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:09:43pm

re: #319 yochanan

they aren't on live on sundays, right?

325 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:10:10pm

The gulf coast is ready, and guess what? There will still be massive damage, flooding, power outages, etc. Because it is still a big flipping storm. And there is only so much human effort can do.

Quotes from FoxNews:
"If you didn't get out, that's your problem...If you're stupid enough to stay behind, we're not going to help you..."

326 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:10:37pm

re: #319 yochanan

waiting to see if skelator is on H & C

Why? Do you think he'll be Palin' out?
;)

327 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:11:05pm

re: #324 spidly

THEY ARE TONITE

328 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:11:15pm
329 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:12pm

Oh yeah.....!

From CNN/Opinion Research Center:


Obama 49, McCain 48
Gov. Palin’s approval: 38%, with 21% unfavorable and 41% never heard of her or have no opinion.

First poll with both tickets complete.

Conducted Aug. 29-31; Error margin: 3 points.

[Link: thepage.time.com...]

330 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:18pm

re: #320 Silhouette

Nagin just called it the Storm of the Century.

Why not The Storm of the Millennium? Either way, it only has 8 years of competition.

Nagin is an utter joke, as he has often demonstrated.

Seeing him on TV makes me ill.

331 William  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:33pm

Code Pinko: owned.

332 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:40pm

Ouch! Shep Smith just called out Ray "Bus Master" Nagin on FOX: "He certainly has his own conscience to deal with for things that happened back in the day...."

(Not-so-subtle reporter-ese for "Nagin fucked up.")

333 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:47pm

re: #326 solomonpanting

Why? Do you think he'll be Palin' out?
;)

He's on.

334 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:49pm

re: #256 SixDegrees

Those are rather thin scales you have.

Registered since: Aug 29, 2008 at 6:14 pm

No. of comments posted: 5
No. of links posted: 0

335 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:13:30pm

re: #321 baxtrice


And for the lefties going crazy over this, consider the situation: you have the freedom to protest and freedom to speech, but you also must be ready to face the consequences of these freedom's.

Just my two cents.

I watched an old episode of American Justice last night concerning the Rodney King incident and all the kerfuffle that entailed. Later on there was another riot for some reason or other and the police backed off enforcing law and order. People were screaming that the police didn't do enough to quell the violence and mayhem. Go figure! Damned if you do and damned if you don't!

336 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:13:33pm

Officer Stewart could come on and give Colmes a sharp blow to the chest and say "take it back, bitch"

337 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:14:37pm

re: #332 StinkHammer

Ouch! Shep Smith just called out Ray "Bus Master" Nagin on FOX: "He certainly has his own conscience to deal with for things that happened back in the day...."

(Not-so-subtle reporter-ese for "Nagin fucked up.")

Yep - and also said "of course there were no buses used for evacuations with Katrina" in reference to the massive evacuation efforts this go 'round.

Nice zing, Drac Boy!

338 cronopio  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:15:11pm

What's the problem with this people, don't they have jobs or something?

All this professional protesters should be sent for a year abroad (choice: Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea) and see how they like it.

339 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:15:49pm

re: #336 spidly

Officer Stewart could come on and give Colmes a sharp blow to the chest and say "take it back, bitch"

ROTFLMFAO!

340 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:16:07pm

re: #277 wolfie

It's NOT funny! How do I know?
Mr. Wolf laughed.
(That's usually not a good sign, gc ! )

Well, at least I'm not the only one. ;)

NOT FUNNY! JUST TRAGIC!

341 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:16:39pm

re: #333 loppyd

He's on.

It would be stupid of me to pelt my own television screen with eggs and rotten tomatoes, wouldn't it?

342 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:16:42pm

re: #335 Gumby

I watched an old episode of American Justice last night concerning the Rodney King incident and all the kerfuffle that entailed. Later on there was another riot for some reason or other and the police backed off enforcing law and order. People were screaming that the police didn't do enough to quell the violence and mayhem. Go figure! Damned if you do and damned if you don't!

The new slogan of our times.

:)

343 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:17:05pm

re: #334 MandyManners

Those are rather thin scales you have.

Registered since: Aug 29, 2008 at 6:14 pm

No. of comments posted: 5
No. of links posted: 0

Mandy,
In all fairness, it may be something of an idealist. If so, nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Maybe we should wait and see. Hmmm.

344 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:17:15pm

re: #338 cronopio

What's the problem with this people, don't they have jobs or something?

All this professional protesters should be sent for a year abroad (choice: Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea) and see how they like it.

What, no car swarm duty in Gaza? WTF kind of cheap world protest tour are you sellin' here, mac?

/////

345 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:17:31pm

re: #341 MandyManners

It would be stupid of me to pelt my own television screen with eggs and rotten tomatoes, wouldn't it?

Yeah, your TV isn't to blame for him being a total asshole.

346 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:17:40pm

It worked for Rodney King. Might work again.

/s

347 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:17:46pm

re: #341 MandyManners

It would be stupid of me to pelt my own television screen with eggs and rotten tomatoes, wouldn't it?


Nawww Mandy.... go for it! Get 'er done!1 It'll relieve some stress.....

348 Outrider  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:18:10pm

OT but needing assistance.

Did anyone get a screenshot of the Palin entry at Wikipedia a few days ago? I went back to get the information on charges filed against her brother-in-laws (open beer container while in a police car, tazoring his son, numerous traffic violations, etc) that he had ADMITTED to when fighting his suspension.

Problem is; the entire Wiki article has been re-written and in a decidedly biased manner. This information is no longer present. No surprise there.

349 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:18:27pm

This is hilarious. Palin is interviewed during a summer league baseball game. The interviewer cuts in to give play-by-play guy. It was linked upstairs by ratherdashing

350 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:18:40pm

re: #342 baxtrice

The new slogan of our times.

:)

Unfortunately, True Dat!

351 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:19:09pm

re: #341 MandyManners

It would be stupid of me to pelt my own television screen with eggs and rotten tomatoes, wouldn't it?

Well, the clean-up would be tiresome. And the smell would linger no matter what you did.

So, yeah, it wouldn't be your very best move.

352 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:19:22pm

re: #341 MandyManners

It would be stupid of me to pelt my own television screen with eggs and rotten tomatoes, wouldn't it?

How 'bout doin' a Calvin (your avatar) ?

353 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:19:27pm

They go through all the trouble of evacuating a record number of people after warning them how serious the storm's gong to be.

/and then Shep shows up to ride it out in New Orleans, what an awesome role model

354 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:20:31pm

re: #351 Dianna

Well, the clean-up would be tiresome. And the smell would linger no matter what you did.

So, yeah, it wouldn't be your very best move.

I have solved this problem. I keep a basket of Sonic "tot" toys nearby to chuck at the TV. Re-usable and non-marring. ;)

355 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:21:00pm

re: #336 spidly

Officer Stewart could come on and give Colmes a sharp blow to the chest and say "take it back, bitch"

I'd pay $50 bucks to see that - but in Colmes' case, please make it a whack to the mouth.

356 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:21:24pm

re: #353 Killian Bundy

They go through all the trouble of evacuating a record number of people after warning them how serious the storm's gong to be.

/and then Shep shows up to ride it out in New Orleans, what an awesome role model

Shhhh...he's trying to meet Asian reporter Tricia Takanawa...

/

357 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:22:03pm

re: #353 Killian Bundy

They go through all the trouble of evacuating a record number of people after warning them how serious the storm's gong to be.

/and then Shep shows up to ride it out in New Orleans, what an awesome role model

Yeppers... gotta get that story..... /channeling Gerry Rivers...

358 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:23:02pm

Why doesn't Skeletor go to MSNBC where he belongs?

He could take Chrissy Matthews' place being Olbermann's bitch.

359 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:23:02pm

Today's quote from Obama, who AP helpfully says "deals gently" with Palin

"We're going to make sure that equal pay for equal work is a reality in this country," Obama said at an economic forum in Toledo, Ohio, a battleground state this fall. Alluding to Palin without saying her name, he told about 200 people sitting on a sun-drenched office rooftop that she "seems like a very engaging person, nice person. But I've got to say, she's opposed, like John McCain is, to equal pay for equal work. That doesn't make much sense to me."

Too bad for Obama that words don't equal actions

On average, women working in Obama's Senate office were paid at least $6,000 below the average man working for the Illinois senator.
The average pay for all 36 male employees on Obama's staff was $55,962; and the average pay for all 31 female employees was $48,729.
the average pay for the 30 women on McCain's staff was $59,104.51. The 16 non-intern males in McCain's office, by comparison, were paid an average of $56,628.83.
360 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:23:55pm

re: #348 Outrider

OT but needing assistance.

Did anyone get a screenshot of the Palin entry at Wikipedia a few days ago? I went back to get the information on charges filed against her brother-in-laws (open beer container while in a police car, tazoring his son, numerous traffic violations, etc) that he had ADMITTED to when fighting his suspension.

Problem is; the entire Wiki article has been re-written and in a decidedly biased manner. This information is no longer present. No surprise there.

No screenshot here and I'm sorry I can't stick around this evening to help you check this out but here is a website that can help you figure out who is rewriting the wiki entries:

[Link: wikiscanner.virgil.gr...]

361 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:24:36pm

re: #338 cronopio

What's the problem with this people, don't they have jobs or something?

All this professional protesters should be sent for a year abroad (choice: Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea) and see how they like it.

They would be treated like foreign dignitaries in these places and would not feel the pain of the general pop... best to send them to Sudan, some nice Taliban infested region or some other sharia paradise that frowns on pink tutus,

well, maybe north korea as I'm pretty sure they can't afford to feed foreign dignitaries

362 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:24:38pm

Actually, I'd be asking my stupid self if it were worth risking life and limb to be in a 'ghost town' with nothing but 120 mph winds and sideways rain..... nothing to see here..... but that's just me....

363 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:24:57pm

OT Damn Gustav is freakin' huge!

I may get down-dinged for this, but I think that the hurricane hitting during the RNC is a good thing. Because instead of the week long selfish "me me me" lovefest that the democrats had, the republicans in contrast will go in, get business done and go back to work.

It might be Win-Win for us. If it's done correctly.

*crosses fingers*

364 akak  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:25:21pm

re: #353 Killian Bundy

They go through all the trouble of evacuating a record number of people after warning them how serious the storm's gong to be.

/and then Shep shows up to ride it out in New Orleans, what an awesome role model

Shep in a cesspool, heh.

365 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:25:22pm

re: #358 loppyd

Why doesn't Skeletor go to MSNBC where he belongs?

He could take Chrissy Matthews' place being Olbermann's bitch.

I'm not sure there's enough blood in him to allow a leg tingle...what would MSNoBodySees be without leg tingles?

366 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:25:58pm

re: #362 Gumby

Actually, I'd be asking my stupid self if it were worth risking life and limb to be in a 'ghost town' with nothing but 120 mph winds and sideways rain..... nothing to see here..... but that's just me....

There is all the interesting crap flying through the air at your head.

367 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:27:31pm

re: #362 Gumby

Actually, I'd be asking my stupid self if it were worth risking life and limb to be in a 'ghost town' with nothing but 120 mph winds and sideways rain..... nothing to see here..... but that's just me....

I alsways get a laugh out of watching Anderson Cooper doing the sideways two-step.

368 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:27:50pm

In the end obama did not get a bounce

wonder what the PALIN bounce will be?

369 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:28:50pm

re: #368 yochanan

In the end obama did not get a bounce

wonder what the PALIN bounce will be?

Please, no sexist remarks.

/

370 Big Steve  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:28:54pm

offering 6:4 odds that Alicia Forrest is wearing a neck brace these days.

371 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:29:21pm

re: #367 sparrowlake

alsways = always
PIMF

372 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:29:30pm

re: #368 yochanan

wonder what the PALIN bounce will be?


Watch your language, buster, this here be a family show.

373 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:29:51pm

re: #370 Big Steve

offering 6:4 odds that Alicia Forrest is wearing a neck brace these days.

And I'm betting the rent money that she doesn't NEED to be wearing it.

374 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:29:59pm

re: #366 OldLineTexan

There is all the interesting crap flying through the air at your head.

trailers. there is a warning that the trailers that abound are rated for something stupid like 35mph wind and will be moving about the city

375 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:30:14pm

I'm tired.

Bye.

376 Big Steve  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:30:42pm

re: #373 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I'm betting the rent money that she doesn't NEED to be wearing it.

of course she doesn't need it except to win her lawsuit.

377 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:31:10pm

re: #370 Big Steve

offering 6:4 odds that Alicia Forrest is wearing a neck brace these days.

And 60:40 is probably her contingency fee deal with the lawyer.

378 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:31:16pm

re: #376 Big Steve

of course she doesn't need it except to win her lawsuit.

She DOES need a new suit.

379 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:31:31pm
380 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:32:13pm

re: #366 OldLineTexan

There is all the interesting crap flying through the air at your head.

That's crap I could definitely do without! I've seen pictures (years ago) of straw being strck through telephone poles after a tornado.... don't want anything to do with that!

When I was a kid, (6yrs old) I was in an orphanage in Dallas, there was a hurricane, maybe tornado, or remnant of one, that came all the way to Dallas. EVERYTHING outside was a dirty dark green (sky, ect) wind was blowing to beat hell and we were all lined up in the hallway away from windows. There were reinforced glass panes on the door and I could see out and it scared me shitless. Definitely put the fear of God into me!

381 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:33:25pm

re: #375 The Other Les

I'm tired.

Bye.

I think you should hang in here for a while. Just being tired isn't enough to cause you to leave.

382 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:33:37pm

Up-thread, zombie said he/she/it has been to a Code Pink training class. That must have been a VERY interesting experience.

383 Outrider  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:33:50pm

re: #360 Pvt Bin Jammin

No screenshot here and I'm sorry I can't stick around this evening to help you check this out but here is a website that can help you figure out who is rewriting the wiki entries:

[Link: wikiscanner.virgil.gr...]

Thanks. This was helpful. I had already gone through the discussion and edit boards but can still find no reference to what I know I saw.

There is a good reason Wiki is not a reliable source.

Guess I have to go back to using various search engines for this question.

Thanks again.

384 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:33:55pm

re: #370 Big Steve

offering 6:4 odds that Alicia Forrest is wearing a neck brace these days.

John Edwards will help her out.... considering all his public appearances with Liz have been cancelled....

385 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:34:16pm

re: #379 buzzsawmonkey

Is Palin getting support from the Foundation Garment Foundation?

Of corset

386 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:34:35pm
387 bikeguy65  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:34:49pm

re: #312 The Other Les

Nice!

388 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:35:30pm
389 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:35:44pm

Code Pinkers are nothing but oozing boils on the ass of society. They annoy the ell out of you and are so damn tough to get rid of.

390 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:36:00pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?

He just had to check in wid choo!1

391 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:36:26pm

re: #379 buzzsawmonkey

Is Palin getting support from the Foundation Garment Foundation?

That is an uplifting comment.

392 BBev  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:37:13pm

re: #308 sparrowlake

7 years in PC time is like 120 human years.
Your old girl deserves to retire and you deserve a new PC.
And I bet the new one will not cost any more than the old one did.

I agree but her days are not done just not going to travel the globe, She will be put to rest her in her home and will live out her days in a nice green pasture.
My desktop is a real powerhouse. On this computer I have interviews of old, of Charles and so many old pik's form LGF some are of the days of long lost of LGF unless you know where to find them.

393 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:37:20pm

Note to moonbats. Ignore direct commands from police officers at your own risk. They are not afraid to use force when words don't work.

394 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:37:45pm

re: #391 sparrowlake

That is an uplifting comment.

FGF.... taking care of women one droop at a time....

(ducking and diving)

395 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:38:08pm

re: #391 sparrowlake

That is an uplifting comment.

I'm sure buzzsaw will be grateful for your support

396 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:38:22pm
397 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:40:22pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?

that looks like more than doobage impairment.

398 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:40:27pm

Went through a Hurricane once where the wind gauge closest to my home, about half a mile away, broke at 130mph. The one at 3,000 feet, about 15 miles away, broke at 227. Not a single wind station in the entire county, including the Navy and the air National Guard survived.Not one. Now that was a bad storm.

399 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:40:41pm

The litany of trumped up accusations against Sarah Palin in all the usual moonbat publications are starting to sound like Chuck Norris jokes.

400 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:41:13pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?

Don't you love how he's telling John McCain what to do? Like John McCain has no right to make his own decisions?

Fascism, baby. It's coming.

401 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:41:36pm

re: #383 Outrider

Hope someone got a screen shot.

BBL, lizards

402 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:42:24pm

re: #348 Outrider

OT but needing assistance.

Did anyone get a screenshot of the Palin entry at Wikipedia a few days ago? I went back to get the information on charges filed against her brother-in-laws (open beer container while in a police car, tazoring his son, numerous traffic violations, etc) that he had ADMITTED to when fighting his suspension.

Problem is; the entire Wiki article has been re-written and in a decidedly biased manner. This information is no longer present. No surprise there.

You can head into the page history and compare it to an older version. Click the bubble on the left for the newest revision, and click the bubble on the right for the one you're looking for. Then just hit the Compare button and you're off.

I'd do it for you and just send you to the comparison page, but I'm not sure how long ago the page you're looking for was there. You would probably know best. ;)

403 mojoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:42:32pm

I think every one is missing the point about why the police were so insistent about getting the crowd to back off.
The mob was creating a dangerous situation. The possibility of spooking the Police horses could cause serious injury to a police officer or a civilian in the crowd.


Man dies after being struck by Police horse

404 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:42:37pm
405 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:42:53pm

re: #379 buzzsawmonkey

Is Palin getting support from the Foundation Garment Foundation?

It will provide a solid Anchorage.

406 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:02pm

re: #388 buzzsawmonkey

I'm betting one of those corsets with whalebone stays, too, what with her being in Alaska and all.

Whalebone stays are such a waist.

407 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:09pm

re: #399 mich-again

The litany of trumped up accusations against Sarah Palin in all the usual moonbat publications are starting to sound like Chuck Norris jokes.

I here after her water broke she piloted plane from Texas to Alaska, the walked from the airport to a cave in her home town to have the cub.

408 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:15pm

re: #396 buzzsawmonkey

"You really think we gonna let you win this election?"

Stick it, Sean.

"Let" us win, eh? How's he gonna live up to that?

409 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:35pm
410 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:49pm

re: #357 Gumby

Yeppers... gotta get that story..... /channeling Gerry Rivers...

No need to channel him, he's in New Orleans with Shep.

/why should people evacuate if they're going to let these dildos stay and ride it out?

411 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:44:18pm

re: #402 Fat Jolly Penguin

Crap. I screwed up. Click the right bubble for the most recent revision, and the left bubble for the older one.

*facepalm*

412 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:44:21pm

re: #409 buzzsawmonkey

Gotta go, folks. Keep it clean, and articulate.

*salute*

413 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:45:26pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Whoa..good post buzzsaw

414 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:45:47pm

RMN clearly set this up to be as sympathetic to Ms. Forrest as possible. But it is the DPD that justly deserves the blame. This is the second incident I have seen where DPD was involved in a physical confrontation that did not immediately result in an arrest. At the Brown Palace a police officer shoved an ABC producer into the street. Several minutes later other officers arrived to arrest the man. As soon as Stewart felt he had to use force to prevent Forrest from interfering in an arrest the defensive perimeter should have shifted to take her _right then_. Since there weren't other physical confrontations occurring at that time that should have happened.

When you determine that you have to use physical force you must also have determined that the resulting action will result in an arrest. An arrest right then. The odd baton blow to the head to discourage miscreants ended when Officer Murphy, the 1940's beat cop, retired.

415 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:46:04pm

re: #365 OldLineTexan

I'm not sure there's enough blood in him to allow a leg tingle...what would MSNoBodySees be without leg tingles?

Or massive egos.

416 barry the baptist  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:46:37pm

Zom GREAT job this past week. You deserve a medal or a beer..or both.

No shock there to read/see that the MSM delivered a biased viewpoint. I think it's safe to say that it's expected that these dirtbags would deliberately skew the news.

417 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:46:44pm

re: #407 pat

I here after her water broke she piloted plane from Texas to Alaska, the walked from the airport to a cave in her home town to have the cub.

I read that she was just about to shoot a gray wolf feeding her pups until a polar bear floating by on block of ice caught her eye.

418 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:46:44pm

re: #404 buzzsawmonkey

He's "the future." He says so.

May he be wrong, wrong, wrong.

Let us not forget that Sean "P.Diddy" Combs built his career on a concert in which people were killed because he'd overbooked it.

You know, the complete irony here is that he doesn't understand what he's promoting. He probably doesn't understand that what he just said is counterproductive to our democracy.

For just once, I wish they'd stop and think their words through. Enjoy your freedoms now, Sean. They could be gone tomorrow if you don't educate yourself or your listeners.

419 bikeguy65  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:47:00pm

re: #382 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Up-thread, zombie said he/she/it has been to a Code Pink training class. That must have been a VERY interesting experience.

Do they let boys into those classes?

420 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:48:22pm

re: #419 bikeguy65

Do they let boys into those classes?

Do they let whatevers in?

421 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:48:45pm

Thank you, Zombie. I knew there had to be more to the story than the short viral video making the rounds.

BTW, the MSP IMC makes for interesting reading in a twisted way.

422 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:48:47pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?

/he doesn't much like women or white people, does he?

423 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:48:50pm

Sarah Palin lost the Aleutian Islands to Russia betting on a youth hockey game.

424 mikeymom  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:49:52pm

so far on h and c--hannity hasnt said one word to skeletor about his blog comments. wonder if he will call him on it?

425 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:50:08pm

re: #418 baxtrice

You know, the complete irony here is that he doesn't understand what he's promoting. He probably doesn't understand that what he just said is counterproductive to our democracy.

For just once, I wish they'd stop and think their words through. Enjoy your freedoms now, Sean. They could be gone tomorrow if you don't educate yourself or your listeners.

he'd have to put down the oxycontin first.re: #423 mich-again

Sarah Palin lost the Aleutian Islands to Russia betting on a youth hockey game.

AND she bet on the russians

426 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:50:55pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?

Oy vey. I didn't make it past the first minute of that incoherent spew.

427 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:52:22pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?

What? Was he standing on a merry go round?

428 Mel Lono  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:53:15pm

Not OT. Just redirect. Can anybody tell me who is Obama's 'circle of advisors' or the team that he has in place to lead the country? Great leaders surround themselves with people who can propose options, suggest tactics and fill in the blanks. Mr. Wright and Rezco are not sufficient answers.

429 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:53:23pm

Make room at the curb for P Diddy.

430 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:53:26pm

re: #425 spidly

AND she bet on the russians

I heard she was actually born in Russia, and can't produce her birth certificate because it would reveal that she isn't actually a citizen.

431 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:54:27pm

re: #427 mich-again

What? Was he standing on a merry go round?

Just watching that made me dizzy.

432 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:54:37pm

re: #423 mich-again

Sarah Palin lost the Aleutian Islands to Russia betting on a youth hockey game.

There will be a rematch. And the smart money is on?...........

433 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:54:41pm

re: #428 Mel Lono

Not OT. Just redirect. Can anybody tell me who is Obama's 'circle of advisors' or the team that he has in place to lead the country? Great leaders surround themselves with people who can propose options, suggest tactics and fill in the blanks. Mr. Wright and Rezco are not sufficient answers.

Look here

434 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:54:55pm

re: #430 OldLineTexan

I heard she was actually born in Russia, and can't produce her birth certificate because it would reveal that she isn't actually a citizen.

I heard she had Putin's love child.

435 Alouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:55:19pm

re: #434 loppyd

I heard she had Putin's love child.

Putin had Sarah Palin's love child.

436 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:55:21pm

re: #425 spidly

AND she bet on the russians

That will cost the GOP the Inuit vote.

437 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:55:39pm

re: #430 OldLineTexan

I heard she was actually born in Russia, and can't produce her birth certificate because it would reveal that she isn't actually a citizen.

I heard that she convinced Putin to invade Georgia to make Obama look band and McCain look good.

/moonbat

438 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:55:55pm

re: #430 OldLineTexan

I heard she was actually born in Russia, and can't produce her birth certificate because it would reveal that she isn't actually a citizen.

Trig is not only the daughter's child but Putin is the father

439 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:56:08pm

re: #437 baxtrice

PIMF band=bad

440 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:56:47pm

re: #435 Alouette

Putin had Sarah Palin's love child.

That explains his bad attitude AND the look on his face

441 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:57:05pm

re: #435 Alouette

Putin had Sarah Palin's love child.

Her husband was really the one who poisoned that KGB dude in London.

442 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:57:09pm

re: #418 baxtrice

What an ignorant, inarticulate buffoon. Behold the Cell-Block-ization of America (c), where public discourse largely consists of vague threats and trash-talking by overgrown adolescents with room-temperature IQs and vocabularies.

443 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:57:13pm

Anarchist groups near gulf mobalize to provide Hurricane Aid

Once again, avoiding the guns of cops and mercenaries, anarchist aid workers are organizing in New Orleans to help those left behind by the government. Food Not Bombs, Common Grounds and various Anarchist EMT affinity groups are digging in for the storm to help those most afflicted. See [Link: neworleans.indymedia.org...] and [Link: news.infoshop.org...] for details.

Those in Twin Cities still going ahead with plans to stage massive civil disobedience on the 1st.

444 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:57:35pm

I hear Sarah Palin called a hit on Solzhenitsyn because he was nearing completion of " A Gulag Alaskapelago"

445 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:58:10pm

P. Diddy is an rabid Obama supporter, what a shock.

/I know it makes me want to vote for Obama if P. Diddy's on board

446 Outrider  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:58:58pm

Great. Finally found the information on Palins Brother-in-law on the July 27th copy of the Anchorage Daily News This is what drives this entire "issue":

"...Troopers eventually investigated 13 issues and found four in which Wooten violated policy or broke the law or both:

• Wooten used a Taser on his stepson.

• He illegally shot a moose.

• He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion.

• He told others his father-in-law would "eat a f'ing lead bullet" if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce.

Beyond the investigation sparked by the family, trooper commanders saw cause to discipline or give written instructions to correct Wooten seven times since he joined the force, according to Grimes' letter to Wooten.

Those incidents included: a reprimand in January 2004 for negligent damage to a state vehicle; a January 2005 instruction after being accused of speeding, unsafe lane changes, following too closely and not using turn signals in his state vehicle; a June 2005 instruction regarding personal cell phone calls; an October 2005 suspension from work after getting a speeding ticket; and a November 2005 memo "to clarify duty hours, tardiness and personal business during duty time."

"Mike is not without a blemish," the union's Cyr said...."

447 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:59:28pm

re: #443 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Anarchist groups near gulf mobalize to provide Hurricane Aid

Anarchists
are
organizing...

the irony is strong in this one!

448 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:59:29pm

re: #112 zombie

I think he works for the RMN.

He does. I provided a link to his contact page when you popped in the other night.

449 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:59:50pm

re: #438 spidly

Trig is not only the daughter's child but Putin is the father

Few people know that Putin fathered her as well. Kerry said she is "Cheneyesque". Little does he know that she is really Putinesqe. Be afraid may liberal friends, be afraid.

450 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:00:08pm

re: #443 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Anarchist groups near gulf mobalize to provide Hurricane Aid

I hope they remember the red plastic cups for bailing out their rowboats when they forget to put the drain plugs in.

451 Outrider  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:00:11pm

re: #402 Fat Jolly Penguin

You can head into the page history and compare it to an older version. Click the bubble on the left for the newest revision, and click the bubble on the right for the one you're looking for. Then just hit the Compare button and you're off.

I'd do it for you and just send you to the comparison page, but I'm not sure how long ago the page you're looking for was there. You would probably know best. ;)

Dang. Didn't think of that. Sheesh. Thanks for your help! ;-)>

452 Mel Lono  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:00:21pm

re: #433 Neo Con since 9-11

That last link sent my CP into tail spin. Getting dizzy. WTF/

453 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:00:52pm

re: #407 pat

I here after her water broke she piloted plane from Texas to Alaska, the walked from the airport to a cave in her home town to have the cub.

That's exactly what they are. I've found 3 sites, one of them "pro-Palin", the other 2 (twitter) ... one is mixed, the third anti.

My 2 personal favorites:
"Sarah Palin actually didn't fly to Ohio. She ran there as part of her morning exercise"

... and for programmers/math geeks:

"Sarah Palin can successfully divide by zero".

454 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:00:58pm

re: #444 mich-again

I hear Sarah Palin called a hit on Solzhenitsyn because he was nearing completion of " A Gulag Alaskapelago"


He was near but couldn't get his Berings Straight.

455 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:01:08pm

re: #445 Killian Bundy

P. Diddy is an rabid Obama supporter, what a shock.

/I know it makes me want to vote for Obama if P. Diddy's on board

esp since P. Diddy bases his support on reason and not race

456 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:01:27pm

re: #442 mikalm

What an ignorant, inarticulate buffoon. Behold the Cell-Block-ization of America (c), where public discourse largely consists of vague threats and trash-talking by overgrown adolescents with room-temperature IQs and vocabularies.

The curse of the "You-Tube-ization" of the web. Bring to light all opinions that reside on the web and you bring out the fringe elements as well. But our society has plummeted so far that "The Fringe" are considered heroes.

*sigh*

457 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:01:59pm

re: #449 The Shadow Do

Few people know that Putin fathered her as well. Kerry said she is "Cheneyesque". Little does he know that she is really Putinesqe. Be afraid may liberal friends, be afraid.

Liberals are afriad of puttanesca?

/

Weenies, all of them. Utter, abject weenies. Skinless freakin' franks of the absolute lowest possible meat content, unworthy of a grill or a bun.

458 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:03:07pm

re: #450 mich-again

I hope they remember the red plastic cups for bailing out their rowboats when they forget to put the drain plugs in.

Damn you, I just finished letting them know that the drain plugs must be removed for proper rule-free operation of a rowboat.

/

459 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:03:32pm

'night Lizard Nation....

Prayers for those on the Gulf Coast.

460 Alouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:03:39pm

re: #441 loppyd

Her husband was really the one who poisoned that KGB dude in London.

We should not be posting this stuff, moonbats read this blog and they will think it's really true!

461 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:03:41pm
462 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:04:57pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?


P. Diddy is bug'n out.

That's what it looks like to me.

No blacks in Alaska? My former mailman worked in Alaska and he's black. I said to him one day "It's cold" (it was), and he responded "No, this is not cold. Fairbanks is cold."

463 BBev  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:05:01pm

re: #441 loppyd

Her husband was really the one who poisoned that KGB dude in London.

Her husband looks like a regular guy and thats cool with me, A hard working everyday joe.

464 Alouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:05:33pm

Tiny font in posting panel is making my brain bleed.

465 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:05:42pm

re: #458 OldLineTexan

Damn you, I just finished letting them know that the drain plugs must be removed for proper rule-free operation of a rowboat.

/

Well as long as you leave out two drain plugs so the water coming in through one hole can drain out through the other.

466 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:05:59pm

re: #461 Typicalwhitey

CNN Poll: Obama 49, McCain 48

CNN? CNN?

then it IS true ... Sarah Palin CAN successfully divide by zero!

moonbats: take note!

467 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:06:26pm

re: #465 mich-again

Well as long as you leave out two drain plugs so the water coming in through one hole can drain out through the other.

NOW you're thinking!

468 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:07:38pm

re: #457 OldLineTexan

Liberals are afriad of puttanesca?

/

Weenies, all of them. Utter, abject weenies. Skinless freakin' franks of the absolute lowest possible meat content, unworthy of a grill or a bun.

Fear the yawning maw of the Putinesque Palin North Slope gulags my lefty friends. The purge be upon you.

/

469 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:08:21pm

will Sean Penn get a seaworthy skiff for Gustav? will he not try to load his entire entourage in it?

470 Rancher  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:08:37pm

re: #428 Mel Lono

Obama advisors like Zbigniew Brzezinski, Robert Mally, and Samantha Power (now gone), have an anti-Isreal attitude.

471 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:08:43pm

re: #466 jwb7605

CNN? CNN?

then it IS true ... Sarah Palin CAN successfully divide by zero!

moonbats: take note!

What's really interesting is that this is with 41% of the respondents "not knowing anything/never heard of her" about Governor Palin. It will be interesting to see how this changes as the public gets to know her.

472 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:09:10pm

re: #456 baxtrice

The thing is, Diddy isn't "fringe" at all. He's a hugely influential and fabulously wealthy figure.

You'd think that someone with his alleged business genius and ostensible access to education and information would be able to patch together a coherent sentence in English. But as the anarchist writer Bob Black* put it, "If you're so rich, why aren't you smart?"

*Trivia: Years before the UofCO brouhaha, Black exposed Ward Churchill's fraudulent scholarship, phony "Indian" identity, and racism in an essay called "Up Sand Creek Without a Paddle."

473 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:10:20pm

re: #469 spidly

will Sean Penn get a seaworthy skiff for Gustav? will he not try to load his entire entourage in it?

I here he still has this one. But he fixed it by installing a solar powered bilge pump.

474 Rancher  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:10:26pm

re: #444 mich-again

Is that the book McCain plagerized?

475 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:10:44pm

re: #471 Semper Gumbi

What's really interesting is that this is with 41% of the respondents "not knowing anything/never heard of her" about Governor Palin. It will be interesting to see how this changes as the public gets to know her.

YES!
She will, in fact, demonstrate that 2+2=5, for extremely large values of 2!

476 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:12:17pm

Sarah Palin can prove that 0.99999...= 1.

477 Outrider  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:14:10pm

re: #471 Semper Gumbi

What's really interesting is that this is with 41% of the respondents "not knowing anything/never heard of her" about Governor Palin. It will be interesting to see how this changes as the public gets to know her.

What is interesting is it is a CNN poll with their viewers.

478 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:14:23pm

re: #476 mich-again

Sarah Palin can prove that 0.99999...= 1.

Please don't confuse the moonbats with non-integer values.
This is an instructional forum.
/

479 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:15:18pm

Kossacks say that Karl Rove set them up with the Palin baby scam _and_ that Rove fed Dan Rather the altered documents to ruin Rather.

The Illuminati freaks (Alex Jones for one)have close competition in the race for Mayor of Crazytown.

480 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:15:25pm

re: #471 Semper Gumbi

What's really interesting is that this is with 41% of the respondents "not knowing anything/never heard of her" about Governor Palin. It will be interesting to see how this changes as the public gets to know her.

that is really interesting. The poll reflects Obama/Biden vs. McCain/unknown woman.

Obama has peaked. His numbers are at saturation. He has no where to go from here but down. Look for a good ship Obama total melt down over the next 30-60 days as he scrambles to reinvent his nebulus attractiveness. I suspect he will come off as either goofy or mean - perhaps both.

481 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:15:43pm

re: #471 Semper Gumbi

What's really interesting is that this is with 41% of the respondents "not knowing anything/never heard of her" about Governor Palin. It will be interesting to see how this changes as the public gets to know her.

how much of that 41% will swallow the Bristol Putin love child type of crap?

oh, here's the proof on Digg (big shock there)

482 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:16:03pm

Putin-Palin Productions proposes presumptive project promising popular proposals primarily pushing positive points.

483 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:16:12pm

re: #472 mikalm

Being a successful entertainer doesn't make you smart. Just look at Madonna, Kid Rock, and Pamela Anderson.

It just means you can sing, shake your ass and take off clothes on cue. And get paid for it.

These entertainers, are getting paid and getting exposure for Image. Not brains.

Thus we have P. Diddy making wild claims that even he doesn't understand.

484 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:17:36pm

I have seen so many Obamaheads wearing T shirts with giant pictures of Obama's face on them. Like the whole T shirt is a face.

Not even Che gets a head that big on his brand of moonbat T shirts.

485 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:17:43pm

re: #413 HoosierHoops

Whoa..good post buzzsaw

It was, wasn't it? I "hearted" it to my faves.

How ya doin', HH?

486 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:18:02pm

re: #447 OldLineTexan

Pity anyone they "help." If they're anything like their counterparts out here, that is.

487 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:19:40pm

re: #484 Mich-again

I have seen so many Obamaheads wearing T shirts with giant pictures of Obama's face on them. Like the whole T shirt is a face.

Not even Che gets a head that big on his brand of moonbat T shirts.

Che gets a few dings for being a mass murderer and thus is only a lefty demigod

488 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:19:45pm

re: #481 spidly

how much of that 41% will swallow the Bristol Putin love child type of crap?

oh, here's the proof on Digg (big shock there)

I'd guess probably very few. I'm thinking that most of the 41% are smart independents who will see through the smear. The one's who will beleive that crap are already accounted for in the disapproval per centage.

489 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:19:57pm

re: #481 spidly

how much of that 41% will swallow the Bristol Putin love child type of crap?

oh, here's the proof on Digg (big shock there)

and, here's a reply:
The original photo came with the caption "Sarah Palin at home with her family in Wasilla, Alaska in 2006" and can be viewed here .....

http://www.adn.com/photos/v-gallery/story/509850.h ...

That would be some gestation period, idiots.

490 Arbalest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:19:57pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?

P.Diddy: "Talking to the Doritos"

491 LesLein  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:21:42pm

Sarah Palin is responsible for Hurricane Gustav:

Hurricane Gustav is the fault of John McCain's VP pick Sarah Palin.

Extremist conservatives like Sarah Palin have ignored environmental warnings about coastal erosion, climate change and the importance of mangroves and have tried to stop the progress that would halt unnatural hurricane events like this.


[Link: www.facebook.com...]

492 vxbush  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:22:31pm

re: #476 mich-again

Sarah Palin can prove that 0.99999...= 1.

I can do that without politics. :D

493 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:23:06pm

re: #255 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The latter has been done, to the RMN along with a letter, and cc'd to the other two plus the GM of a major Denver TV station whom I've corresponded with in the past.

Good Job, zombie!

Wow! Hope that has some effect. Thanks!

494 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:23:33pm
495 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:23:39pm

re: #343 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mandy,
In all fairness, it may be something of an idealist. If so, nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Maybe we should wait and see. Hmmm.

Well, the way It ripped into Zombie really pissed me off. S/He is one of the hardest working forces when It comes to documenting the insanity of moonbats, and for It to take Zombie to task in one of Its first posts just didn't sit well with me.

496 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:24:34pm

Looks like we got ourselves a live one.

497 kuffar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:24:57pm

re: #489 jwb7605

Wow.

Okay, now how does it backfire on them.

498 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:25:00pm

Gah. Gotta' go again.

499 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:25:03pm

re: #491 LesLein

Sarah Palin is responsible for Hurricane Gustav:

Hurricane Gustav is the fault of John McCain's VP pick Sarah Palin.

Extremist conservatives like Sarah Palin have ignored environmental warnings about coastal erosion, climate change and the importance of mangroves and have tried to stop the progress that would halt unnatural hurricane events like this.


[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Gustav is of course a completely natural "hurricane event".

It's science.

500 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:25:16pm

re: #491 LesLein

Sarah Palin is responsible for Hurricane Gustav:

Hurricane Gustav is the fault of John McCain's VP pick Sarah Palin.

Extremist conservatives like Sarah Palin have ignored environmental warnings about coastal erosion, climate change and the importance of mangroves and have tried to stop the progress that would halt unnatural hurricane events like this.


[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Is that a joke?

501 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:25:22pm

re: #492 vxbush

I can do that without politics. :D

Don Adams, of Get Smart fame: "Missed it by that much" (holding thumb/forefinger apart)

I loved that series.

502 Catttt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:26:48pm

Excellent photojournalism, as usual, Zombie. Thanks for the careful, logical progression on the entire incident.

I had seen the much-circulated clip, heard the woman say “Fuckin’ do it again!" to the officer, and thought "oh, well there is more to this for sure." Now we have........the rest of the story.

I have done many foolish things in my life, but it has never even crossed my mind in any way to taunt a riot policeman - or any policeman, actually. But then, I don't think I'm a frickin' pink fairy princess, either.

503 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:26:52pm

re: #500 baxtrice

Is that a joke?

Likely not.

504 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:27:03pm

re: #485 reine.de.tout

It was, wasn't it? I "hearted" it to my faves.

How ya doin', HH?

I'm doing great reine...watching the race..sortof.. Was swimming most of the day..Working on the tan...got a new laptop the other day..between my 16 year old and my wife..I've used it once..you may not believe this reine..i'm blogging on my old Dell...Whats up with that? :)

505 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:27:20pm

re: #269 Gumby

Zombie,

I just sent the link to your essay to Denver Post, Denver Police Independent Monitor, and Peter Boyles (local radio talk show host).

Thanks as well!

506 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:28:09pm

I see. Palin is governor of La., also. Cool.

507 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:28:33pm

re: #256 SixDegrees

While this is all very interesting - and not very surprising - what, exactly, are you doing about it other than posting it here? You excoriate others to spread links to it far and wide; how about contacting the police yourself and sending them the report first hand? How about contacting the Denver media directly with it? Or some of the national mew outlets? It would carry a lot more weight with the author attached to it than it will as just another blog story.

I apologize for not doing enough to please you. Next time I will try harder.

508 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:28:56pm

re: #492 vxbush

I would now like to see you find the ascii code to write .9-bar
re: #489 jwb7605

and, here's a reply:
The original photo came with the caption "Sarah Palin at home with her family in Wasilla, Alaska in 2006" and can be viewed here .....

http://www.adn.com/photos/v-gallery/stor y/509850.h ...

That would be some gestation period, idiots.

I get 404 for your link

509 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:29:08pm

She's the Hammer on the Anchorage Beach Volleyball Team.

510 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:29:14pm

re: #497 kuffar

Wow.

Okay, now how does it backfire on them.

Yet another comment (on Digg, from the link, commenter "LukeLucas"):

this is embarrassing for those of us who support Obama and will have to stand around the water cooler on Monday morning listening to the McCain supporters we know trash the left as conspiracy nut jobs. of course we'll be able to play it off as just that: its a bunch conspiracist nut jobs shooting off at the mouth without any pretense or logic, but the stink of this will remain.

jesus. just stop this ***** already.

Some of them see the downside.

511 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:29:45pm

re: #506 pat

I see. Palin is governor of La., also. Cool.

Bobby Jindal is the love child of Sarah Palin and Vlad Putin.

512 kuffar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:29:51pm

re: #508 spidly

Add a tml to the end of the address. Got cut off.

513 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:29:59pm
514 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:30:13pm

#483 baxtrice

Actually, I think Madonna is a shrewd self-promoter, as well as a deft creator and manipulator of her own public image. A dumb person wouldn't have gotten as monstrously big as she is, or successfully kept herself in the public eye for three decades.

As for Diddy-Dipsh!t: if you read the Wikipedia entry, you'd see that he's not just an "entertainer" -- he's made his real money through production, and various entrepreneurial gigs. Although I suppose if you're catering to millions of ignorant wannabe-gangsta adolescents, and have to be wired in to their cretinous sensibilities to succeed, anything above dull-normal intelligence might actually be a handicap.

Every day, it seems that Mike Judge's Idiocracy was less of a dark comedy, and more of a documentary.

515 looking closely  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:30:28pm

Zombie, you've done it again.

516 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:30:48pm

Very well done Zombie. I love the way it puts the whole story into context so you can see how the news film was "selectively lifted" for effect.

I've always been a fan of your work, but this one is particularly special (but then its hard to beat photos of moonbats in a tree requesting peenut butter!)

517 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:31:02pm
518 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:31:27pm

re: #511 OldLineTexan

Bobby Jindal is the love child of Sarah Palin and Vlad Putin.

and Eva Braun's grandniece.

519 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:31:38pm

re: #517 ploome hineni

I call icing on that one.

520 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:31:52pm

re: #503 Noam Sayin'

Likely not.

Do they not see that their antics are pedantic and like spoiled children?

521 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:32:09pm
522 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:32:46pm

re: #518 pat

and Eva Braun's grandniece.

OMG, he's a she?

/

523 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:32:46pm
524 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:33:10pm

re: #507 zombie

Regarding an earlier comment in a discussion you had with Cognito, George Kochaniec does work for the RMN. I provided this link the other night when you checked in looking for info on that video the other night.

525 LesLein  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:33:24pm

Regarding #491 (my post), I think Facebook is serious. I hope no one here thinks I believe it.

526 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:33:31pm

re: #521 ploome hineni

Bobby Jindal is someone's niece?

We are satirizing the wild Palin talk. You know, the Colmes and Company stuff.

527 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:33:50pm

re: #503 Noam Sayin'

Likely not.

It's gotta be.

/no one's that dumb

528 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:33:56pm

Don't tell me you're goin' for a Hat Trick.

529 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:34:35pm
530 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:34:37pm

re: #508 spidly

I would now like to see you find the ascii code to write .9-bar
re: #489 jwb7605

I get 404 for your link

hmmmm.... I just cut and pasted from the comment, and it worked fine for me.

Here's a cut-and paste from the clicked link:
http://www.adn.com/photos/v-gallery/story/509850.h tml?/1521/gallery/509852-a509987-t3.html

Looks more realistic without the ellipses, doesn't it? :-)

531 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:35:05pm

can't tell that this Palin Photo is from the 80's

looks like she should be Hunter's sidekick

532 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:35:13pm
533 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:36:13pm

You know, before Bush, there were no hurricanes at the height of hurricane season.

/in fact, there wasn't any weather at all

534 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:36:53pm

re: #527 Killian Bundy

It's gotta be.

/no one's that dumb

We've been surprised here before.

535 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:36:58pm

re: #507 zombie

I apologize for not doing enough to please you. Next time I will try harder.

I just read that too. I've also been reading the responses. I think that someone has begun to stir the lizard wrath.

Thank you for all your hard work Zombie.

536 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:37:28pm

From the desk of Karl Rove
***********************************
McCain you magnificent bastard!
***********************************
Regards,
Karl

537 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:37:50pm

re: #532 ploome hineni

Grew up in Northern MT in the Fifties. We got CJLH TV out of Lethbridge, Alberta. Hockey and Curling. And they didn't play either of them with helmets back then.

538 nyc redneck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:38:19pm

what a week.
and i missed most of it.
i do love the new vp pick.
just heard the hurricane is only a cat 3. (ha, eat it dems)
and this code pink hag is lucky she could walk away. (great work zombie)
what else is going on? as i sit here covered w/ saw dust.

539 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:38:44pm

re: #525 LesLein

Regarding #491 (my post), I think Facebook is serious. I hope no one here thinks I believe it.

Had me going for a bit there. That's why we encourage sarc tags.

540 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:39:40pm

re: #524 Noam Sayin'

Regarding an earlier comment in a discussion you had with Cognito, George Kochaniec does work for the RMN. I provided this link the other night when you checked in looking for info on that video the other night.

Thanks! I'm sure he'll hear about this eventually.

541 vxbush  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:39:54pm

re: #508 spidly

I would now like to see you find the ascii code to write .9-bar

.9‾

542 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:39:57pm

re: #533 Killian Bundy

You know, before Bush, there were no hurricanes at the height of hurricane season.

/in fact, there wasn't any weather at all

Yes, none of these hurricanes ever happened.

543 vxbush  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:40:18pm

Whoops. Sorry. Doing more research, spidly. I think it's possible, but not easy.

544 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:40:21pm
545 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:40:32pm

re: #428 Mel Lono

Not OT. Just redirect. Can anybody tell me who is Obama's 'circle of advisors' or the team that he has in place to lead the country? Great leaders surround themselves with people who can propose options, suggest tactics and fill in the blanks. Mr. Wright and Rezco are not sufficient answers.

Here's a lengthy article about Obama's campaign organization. It's not about policy advisors, but it provides a lot of information about how he chooses people and how he works with them. Recommend reading the whole thing.

546 BlueCanuck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:40:36pm

re: #446 Outrider

here's a site you may want to check out too. It's called the Internet Wayback Machine. :)

547 Catttt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:40:47pm

re: #256 SixDegrees

I located your theme song.

Mr. Big Stuff
Who do you think you are?

548 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:40:55pm

re: #533 Killian Bundy

You know, before Bush, there were no hurricanes at the height of hurricane season.

/in fact, there wasn't any weather at all

Remember the Great Galveston Hurricane?

...

...

Me neither.

Guess it never happened.

549 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:41:58pm
550 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:42:42pm

re: #514 mikalm

I did not mean to take away from the entertainers talents, but when it comes to common sense, alas, they fall flat. Madonna constantly is using current events to advance her image and relativity. She picks her side and bashes hard on the other, without considering what her actions actually do. Her most recent offense

To her, this is "image" crafting (stagecraft), but to her millions of fans that look to her for guidance (Ugh, which if you have to get your guidance from a pop star or a movie star, than you need help, but that's just my opinion.) she's implanting reckless thoughts and half truths in people's heads.

And yes, Idiocracy seems very close.

551 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:43:04pm

she began torturing animals at a young age.

Palin demonstrates how she killed JFK

552 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:43:30pm
553 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:43:36pm

Whie clinto was Prsident I went thru a hurricane where the winds hit 227 before the meterbroke. i blame Gore.

554 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:44:28pm

And the reason that there are three centuries' worth of treasure-laden Spanish galleons at the bottom of the Caribbean is that...well, the Spanish just weren't very good at building boats.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

555 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:44:30pm
556 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:44:32pm

re: #543 vxbush

Whoops. Sorry. Doing more research, spidly. I think it's possible, but not easy.

vxbush..You being our cool girl geek on the blog..i was thinking..you should change your nic to vmbush..only a true geek will understand the vm..
:)

557 Shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:45:10pm

re: #2 zombie

Actually, I apologize to everyone for this report: it's admittedly on a pretty trivial incident, that no one outside of moonbat-land even cares about any more -- but I just couldn't sit on the exposé-worthy evidence and let another leftist lie go unchallenged.


Zombie,
nice work.

I hope this report leads the officer to be cleared of any serious wrongdoing.
He lost his cool, which under the circumstances I probably would have done too.
I hope nothing happens to him, except maybe his commander tells him to work on his temper when dealing with vile UnAmerican scumbags wearing pink crowns

558 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:45:13pm
559 LesLein  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:45:27pm

#359 --

When Obama talks "equal pay for equal worth" I think he's promoting a program proposed in the 1980s called "comparable worth." Under comparable worth the government determines what the pay should be in order to equalize male-dominated and female-dominated occupations. For example, if female-dominated secretarial work requires more education than male-dominated truck driving, the government can require more pay for secretaries and/or less pay for truck drivers.

Someone called it the dumbest idea since Looney Tunes. Thomas Sowell said this was unfair, since Looney Tunes produced some classic cartoons.

560 sidtara  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:45:56pm

re: #2 zombie

Please don't apologize. Lots of people still care about the truth. This reminds me of the fraudulent staged "journalism" that went on in Beirut and Qana 2 a couple of years ago. Besides, if the cops are actually charged with brutality, this will help them prove their innocence. Not a small thing, IMO.

561 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:45:59pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

They are championing "human rights." Do not fall into the leftist trap of believing that "human rights" are in any way related to personal liberty. They are the antithesis of personal liberty.

In this country we have personal liberty, which is protected by civil rights that are enforced by equal protection under the law. We may fall short of equal protection sometimes, but that is the ideal--and that ideal, and the striving to live up to it, is what makes us, and keeps us, the most free society in the world.

"Human rights" are a vague term which is used mostly by the UN--which should give you a tip right there as to their value. People talk about the lack of "human rights" in this society or that--but what it comes down to is that these societies which "lack human rights" are societies where personal liberty is not respected, where there are no civil rights, and certainly no equal protection under law, to safeguard it.

If you start looking at "human rights" claims, you will be struck first by how vague any definition of "human rights" is--it usually is a Humpty Dumpty usage, meaning whatever the user of the term chooses it to mean--and you will be struck further by how "human rights" are usually considered something which are expected to be granted by the government, and which are also spoken of as "rights" which are doled out to groups variously identified. In other words, "human rights" are government-granted group rights, which is precisely the opposite of individual liberty protected by even-handed government action.

"Human rights" first made their domestic appearance after the Civil Rights Movement had achieved its civil rights goals. The movement, then in the process of being co-opted by Marxists, black separatists, and other race hustlers, began looking for additional things to agitate for. The special privileges and affirmative action set-asides came to be as the movement started looking for "human rights" grievances to be met, rather than civil rights protections to be equalized.

The gay rights movement, which could not claim civil rights grievances, early on got into using "human rights" language in a big way. In doing this, it was piggybacking on the similarity of the sound of "human rights" to "civil rights," and on the fact that the civil rights movement itself was moving into human rights rather than civil rights agitation.

So, yes--the leftist protesters at the Denver convention were very much demonstrating for "human rights"--for group rights for favored groups only, granted by government fiat and enforced as special interests. They were demonstrating against the civil rights which are the foundation and glory of this country.

Do not confuse these two.

I hereby nominate buzzsawmonkey as Anti-Idiotarian of the Year.

562 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:46:32pm

Remember me feature not working for me. dump my cookie?

563 Shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:46:35pm

Zombie, did you go through the original RMN video carefully to make sure that your image isn't in it ?
Look again. frame by frame to make sure.

564 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:47:17pm

re: #559 LesLein

#359 --

When Obama talks "equal pay for equal worth" I think he's promoting a program proposed in the 1980s called "comparable worth." Under comparable worth the government determines what the pay should be in order to equalize male-dominated and female-dominated occupations. For example, if female-dominated secretarial work requires more education than male-dominated truck driving, the government can require more pay for secretaries and/or less pay for truck drivers.

Someone called it the dumbest idea since Looney Tunes. Thomas Sowell said this was unfair, since Looney Tunes produced some classic cartoons.

I call it communism. At least that's where all roads like that lead.

565 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:47:27pm

re: #561 MandyManners

I hereby nominate buzzsawmonkey as Anti-Idiotarian of the Year.

I second the motion

566 kuffar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:47:34pm

Human rights are enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

567 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:47:36pm
568 nyc redneck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:48:17pm

re: #549 ploome hineni

how did he choose Ayers and the Rev Wright?

did Obama use the same judgement to chooose them?

anti-american bums like this have a way of finding each other.
all scum seeking to over throw our system and push us as far left as they can.

569 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:48:26pm

re: #565 HoosierHoops

I second the motion

I would third, but the election isn't over, and I've got this feeling we're going to need more instructional effort like that.

570 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:48:30pm

re: #561 MandyManners

I hereby nominate buzzsawmonkey as Anti-Idiotarian of the Year.

That's two nominations so far (that I remember) -- the other being zombie.

571 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:48:42pm

re: #491 LesLein

Sarah Palin is responsible for Hurricane Gustav:

Hurricane Gustav is the fault of John McCain's VP pick Sarah Palin.

Extremist conservatives like Sarah Palin have ignored environmental warnings about coastal erosion, climate change and the importance of mangroves and have tried to stop the progress that would halt unnatural hurricane events like this.


[Link: www.facebook.com...]

I LOVE IT!

572 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:49:00pm

re: #545 JustMyView

Here's a lengthy article about Obama's campaign organization. It's not about policy advisors, but it provides a lot of information about how he chooses people and how he works with them. Recommend reading the whole thing.

There's enough fellatio in that article for a porn movie.

Obama began this campaign with a clarity of purpose and a transformative vision for American politics.

Sheesh.

573 BlueCanuck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:49:16pm

re: #565 HoosierHoops

Any Nays?

The ayes have have, I call for a motion that this meeting be adjourned!

574 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:49:29pm
575 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:49:32pm

re: #554 zombie

Just wanted to say that I have greatly enjoyed your work this last week Zombie. Thank you and I am very glad that you are home and safe.

--Also--

Zombie you magnificent undead!
(to hijack a common phrase!)

576 Edward Halper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:49:40pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey:

So, yes--the leftist protesters at the Denver convention were very much demonstrating for "human rights"--for group rights for favored groups only, granted by government fiat and enforced as special interests. They were demonstrating against the civil rights which are the foundation and glory of this country.

Do not confuse these two.

However much it may sometimes be perverted, "human rights" has a legitimate role to play in political discourse: Jefferson used it in the Declaration of Independence to criticize the rights that the British government extended to colonists. It does not mean "group rights for favored groups only." It's the inalienable rights we are endowed with by our creator. We in the US are in the fortunate position of not often having to appeal to human rights, but people in most countries in the world have few "civil rights" they can appeal to.

My concern in #45 was the way that this group latched on to a slogan to advocate the opposite. In other words, under the banner of "human rights," they tried to repress the rights of people they don't like.

577 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:50:01pm

re: #572 OldLineTexan

It's from Rolling Stone. What did you expect?

578 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:50:43pm
579 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:51:15pm

re: #549 ploome hineni

how did he choose Ayers and the Rev Wright?

did Obama use the same judgement to chooose them?


Something tells me Michelle had a BIG say in picking Wright and Ayers

580 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:51:36pm

re: #494 ploome hineni

Buzz is consistantly brilliant

/except when he disagrees with me

He is indeed. He has way of getting to the absolute core of an issue, and then he can 'splain it so clearly.

You . . . well, Ploomie, ya know you're just funny (smart, too, but you really crack me up!)

581 superdawg  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:51:41pm

Thanks Zombie, for your service to Truth, Justice, and the American Way!

Crowd control cops are taught to NOT mess around.

And THOSE were damn impressive crowd control and instigator arrest tactics by Denver PD. Professionalism all around.

582 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:52:07pm

re: #493 zombie

Wow! Hope that has some effect. Thanks!

Back in much later.

I've forwarded the email to you.

583 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:52:24pm

re: #577 Fat Jolly Penguin

It's from Rolling Stone. What did you expect?

Ugh, as all Rush (the band) fans know. Rolling Stone has ZERO credibility.

/bitter Rush (the band) fan

584 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:52:36pm

re: #567 ploome hineni

ok

I need to buy a revolver

any recommendations?

I officially don't own the genuine (long barrel) .45 Magnum "Dirty Harry" revolver.
Once I was allegedly shooting at a concrete block, missed by about an inch, and cracked the concrete block.

(Sarah Palin, of course, would have just thrown the bullet and totally shattered it)

Anyway, the first part is true, if you can stand the recoil.

My son-in-law allegedly owns a Glock 11mm. That's a nice one, too.
If it doesn't have at least a "four" in the first digit, it ain't big enough.

585 kuffar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:52:36pm

I really hope all these Trigtwoofers get served papers and charged with Slander and Libel when these claims are proven false.

Markos et al deserve to be in prison getting his rectum stretched by the entire prison population.

586 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:53:07pm

re: #567 ploome hineni

ok

I need to buy a revolver

any recommendations?

/Smith & Wesson

587 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:53:09pm
588 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:53:17pm

re: #567 ploome hineni

ok

I need to buy a revolver

any recommendations?

Revolver for what purpose?

Self-protection, hunting, etc.?

589 BlueCanuck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:53:29pm

Crap time to head out again. BBIAW follks.

590 Cartman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:53:31pm

Nice work. I sure hope this closes the door on any thoughts of disciplinary action being taken with regards to this officer's conduct. Also, I think it's obvious that Alicia Forrest is in dire need of professional help. Well, come to think of it, most moon bats are, but this young lady needs to be pushed to the front of that queue. No pun intended.

591 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:53:53pm

re: #578 ploome hineni

how does anyone get as fekking stupid and essentially dishonest as view from her ass?

Practice.

592 Shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:53:58pm
593 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:54:01pm

re: #585 kuffar

I really hope all these Trigtwoofers get served papers and charged with Slander and Libel when these claims are proven false.

Markos et al deserve to be in prison getting his rectum stretched by the entire prison population.

I thought prison was supposed to be UNpleasant for the inmate. Markos would LIKE that !

594 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:54:03pm
595 vxbush  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:54:05pm

re: #556 HoosierHoops

vxbush..You being our cool girl geek on the blog..i was thinking..you should change your nic to vmbush..only a true geek will understand the vm..
:)


Heh. Yeah. Okay, in Wikipedia, they've set up a style as follows (spaces added between characters to show raw HTML code):

0. < span style="text-decoration: overline;" > 1< / span >

But Charles doesn't allow the span command anymore.

596 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:54:35pm

re: #569 jwb7605

I would third, but the election isn't over, and I've got this feeling we're going to need more instructional effort like that.

I won't fourth it, but I'll give buzzsaw a fifth.

597 nyc redneck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:54:44pm

re: #578 ploome hineni

how does anyone get as fekking stupid and essentially dishonest as view from her ass?

commie w/ hopes of a top tier level of power.
or simple idiot.

598 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:54:50pm
599 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:55:19pm
600 runrabbitrun  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:55:31pm

re: #479 Quilly Mammoth

Kossacks say that Karl Rove set them up with the Palin baby scam _and_ that Rove fed Dan Rather the altered documents to ruin Rather.

Don't you just know that Alaska's most prominent first family, desperate to hide their daughter's pregnancy from the prying public, went right ahead and took glossy family photos with Bristol in tight tops and dresses (and posed her right in the front of the pics, where the 'bump' would be displayed best)? Then they examined the photos and thought, great! Let's keep this quiet, we'll only put it on a statewide website!

Ah, that I could be 3 years old again, and a soopersmartt koskids kontributor.....

601 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:55:58pm

You know what the new problem is?
18 million people voted for Hillary..and she isn't half the woman Sarah is..Talk about being upstaged a couple days after the greatest speech you ever gave..
Poor Hillary..This is a woman most Americans would feel comfortable with as a POTUS.
From the heartland..I am stunned...
What a brilliant choice....

602 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:56:40pm

re: #552 ploome hineni

yeah

as soon as I finish hitting my head against the wall

Aw, don't hit your head. Do thisYour text to link... instead.

603 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:57:06pm

Gov'r Palin has done more to help the energy problem in America than the whole democrat party. some how i doubt the msm will talk about this but the canadian National post finds it to be important
[Link: www.financialpost.com...]

604 kuffar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:58:05pm

It is obvious Markos et al are mentally ill. Can we have them committed?

605 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:58:05pm
606 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:58:20pm

re: #585 kuffar

They have frontpaged the video of Palin giving her acceptance speach and have manipulated it to look as if Senator McCain is "checking out her ass".

I kid you not.

607 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:58:49pm
608 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:58:52pm

re: #602 reine.de.tout

Crap. Trouble with the format buttons

Try this, Ploome, instead of hitting your head.

609 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:59:00pm

re: #604 kuffar

It is obvious Markos et al are mentally ill. Can we have them committed?

we could. But then we'd be responsible for paying for their treatments

610 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:59:21pm
611 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:59:29pm

re: #580 reine.de.tout

OT: Talked with my daughter today. One of her cousins (ex's niece) & husband buttoned up their house in Mandeville and made it to family in far-eastern Mississippi late yesterday. Whew!

612 Catttt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 7:59:45pm

#550 baxtrice

I think Madonna is very egocentric. I also think she is terribly jealous of Brad and Angelina.

Recent Brad press:

Brad Pitt saves boy from drowning
(a kid almost fell in a canal - Brad grabbed his arm and hauled him away from the danger)

Angelina Jolie just one paragraph out of about two full pages on Wiki:


Jolie has received wide recognition for her humanitarian work. In 2003, she was the first recipient of the newly created Citizen of the World Award by the United Nations Correspondents Association, and in 2005, she was awarded the Global Humanitarian Award by the UNA-USA.[51] Cambodia's King Norodom Sihamoni awarded Jolie Cambodian citizenship for her conservation work in the country on August 12, 2005; she has pledged $5 million to set up a wildlife sanctuary in the north-western province of Battambang and owns property there.[52] In 2007, Jolie became a member of the Council on Foreign Relations,[53] and she received the Freedom Award by the International Rescue Committee.[54]

Recent stories about Madonna:

Her husband threw her a very expensive birthday party in an exclusive London club.

She has an entourage of 250 traveling with her on tour.

She's a walking, singing, dancing prima-Madonna.

613 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:00:00pm

There are lots of two bit little blogs running with the Alicia Forrest victim of police brutality lie. A dime a dozen. Here's one.

614 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:00:27pm

re: #545 JustMyView

Here's a lengthy article about Obama's campaign organization. It's not about policy advisors, but it provides a lot of information about how he chooses people and how he works with them. Recommend reading the whole thing.

That reminds me of the puff "large and in charge" articles we were treated to when Slick Willie was president.

Funny how these dems all are decisive executives in their press coverage, yet Republicans are always goose-stepping morons who can't tie their own shoes.

615 jwb7605  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:00:46pm

re: #603 yochanan

Gov'r Palin has done more to help the energy problem in America than the whole democrat party. some how i doubt the msm will talk about this but the canadian National post finds it to be important
[Link: www.financialpost.com...]

Your entire post needs to get on Drudge somehow.
I stand beside what I said about not voting early for "antiidiotarian", or however it's spelled.

GREAT link.

616 kuffar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:01:02pm

re: #609 sattv4u2

I got no problem paying for their anti-psychotic and anti-depressent drugs and electro shock therapy and lobotomies so long as they aren't around a computer with internet access.

617 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:01:41pm

re: #611 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OT: Talked with my daughter today. One of her cousins (ex's niece) & husband buttoned up their house in Mandeville and made it to family in far-eastern Mississippi late yesterday. Whew!

Glad to hear it! Looked to me today, looking at I-10, they managed to get the evacuation done without creating a border-to-border traffic jam, which is what has happened the last few times.

618 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:02:12pm

re: #550 baxtrice

Re Madonna's latest lapse into moonbattery:

I merely stated that I thought she was shrewd. I never said that she had common sense, or simple decency, or an understanding of concepts like "responsibility" or "unintended consequences" -- all elements that I consider necessary components of that ultimately indefinable quality we call "intelligence." It might be that because she has a (limited) ability to express herself at a post-grade-school level, she's even lower than someone like Diddy who, from the evidence of that YouTube clip, seems to have none at all, and therefore can be excused for his astonishing ignorance and irresponsibility.

619 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:02:19pm

Gov'r Palin is a major player in the energy issues and she got elected fighting cruption something we in chicago could use.

620 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:02:37pm

re: #616 kuffar

I got no problem paying for their anti-psychotic and anti-depressent drugs and electro shock therapy and lobotomies so long as they aren't around a computer with internet access people.


I like mine better

621 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:02:55pm

re: #561 MandyManners

I hereby nominate buzzsawmonkey as Anti-Idiotarian of the Year.

Second

622 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:03:07pm

re: #598 ploome hineni

protection

:)

To carry, keep in a car, or keep in your business?

Carry: I like the five-shot .357 Magnum snubbies from Taurus or S&W, although I am still mad at S&W for not repudiating the HUD deal AFAIK.

Car: Same snubby, although you can go with a bigger frame and longer barrel, i.e. a full-size .357 like a Ruger GP100.

Business: A full-sized .357 or a .45 Colt double action.

Brands:
Ruger is usually economical, American-made, and has betrayed American gun owners less than Smith.
Smith is/was the best revolver made.
Taurus is a fine product, but is Brazilian-made. They have done a lot of technical improvements that Smith ignored for years.
Colt is nice, but overpriced.

623 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:03:13pm

Did anyone else notice that at appox. 8 seconds into the 3rd video that woman appeared to make contact with the police horse? Notice how the horse reels. I could be wrong, just sayin'........

624 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:03:17pm
625 Cartman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:03:22pm

re: #567 ploome hineni

ok

I need to buy a revolver

any recommendations?

Might I suggest the Smith & Wesson Model 60. Stainless steel, .357 mag. or .38 spl. +P. Much more manageable recoil than the 6xx airweight snubbies. The 3" barrel is my preference. A great revolver, IMO.

626 Alouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:04:32pm

re: #548 zombie

Remember the Great Galveston Hurricane?

...

...

Me neither.

Guess it never happened.

There was no internets then.

627 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:04:40pm

Code Pink's response to the "attack" on their peace loving Alicia. I can't make this stuff up.

DENVER - CODEPINK member Alicia Forrest, 24, arrested yesterday on her way to a rally here during the Democratic convention, was released from Denver City Jail at 9 p.m. Tuesday. While tired from the ordeal, she’s optimistic for further CODEPINK actions and progress for the rest of the week.

“I was standing up for my free speech rights, showing support for a fellow activist,” Forrest said. “If anything, this showed me how powerful standing up for your beliefs can be, and how necessary it is for the truth to get out even in the face of resistance.”...

CODEPINK co-founder Jodie Evans called watching the video footage distressing.

“Here we are CODEPINK activists, here to deliver the message of peace, and how ironic that we would witness the exact violence we oppose,” Evans said. “How is it that a Denver cop would be afraid of a peace activist with a pink crown on her head? What have we become?”

628 DaMav  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:05:16pm

Astoundingly this video and the incident was extensively debated on DU, and the action of the police were well defended by at least two posters there, one of whom apparently had law enforcement experience. He argued carefully and repeatedly that the officer was exactly correct and used minimum force necessary to remain order.

A few of the points here were raised and slightly different conclusions were reached, at least by the police defenders. It is not clear that the officer called her a bitch at all -- that word may have been picked up from someone else off camera. The other is that the officer pushed her back with both hands on the stick, which is per protocol. He knocked the wind out of her briefly, which is commensurate with the recommended use of force for this situation. He did not, therefore, 'swing' the stick at her, which might be considered excessive.

I know it is a little hard to believe this all came from Democratic Underground but it did. I usually go there to pull moonbattery posts but there are a few that have some sense. Why they hang there is not clear to me. Of course they had moonbats circling around insisting that the cop was a fascist and that the pinkie was beaten within an inch of her life and blah blah blah

Zombie your coverage of these events is always deeply appreciated. I'm so glad you made it through all this.

629 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:05:28pm
630 Alouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:06:10pm

re: #598 ploome hineni

protection

:)

Not that I am a gun owner or anything, but if you want a gun for protection you should get a shotgun and not be afraid to use it if you have to.

631 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:06:18pm

re: #617 reine.de.tout

Glad to hear it! Looked to me today, looking at I-10, they managed to get the evacuation done without creating a border-to-border traffic jam, which is what has happened the last few times.

My kid said they (Mandeville cousin & husband, in car and truck) managed to get off of I-10 in Mississippi in the nick to time to avoid a "parking lot" situation. Don't know how far across Mississippi it was, but might have been on the far side of the state.

632 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:06:48pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

They are championing "human rights." Do not fall into the leftist trap of believing that "human rights" are in any way related to personal liberty. They are the antithesis of personal liberty.

In this country we have personal liberty, which is protected by civil rights that are enforced by equal protection under the law. We may fall short of equal protection sometimes, but that is the ideal--and that ideal, and the striving to live up to it, is what makes us, and keeps us, the most free society in the world.

"Human rights" are a vague term which is used mostly by the UN--which should give you a tip right there as to their value. People talk about the lack of "human rights" in this society or that--but what it comes down to is that these societies which "lack human rights" are societies where personal liberty is not respected, where there are no civil rights, and certainly no equal protection under law, to safeguard it.

If you start looking at "human rights" claims, you will be struck first by how vague any definition of "human rights" is--it usually is a Humpty Dumpty usage, meaning whatever the user of the term chooses it to mean--and you will be struck further by how "human rights" are usually considered something which are expected to be granted by the government, and which are also spoken of as "rights" which are doled out to groups variously identified. In other words, "human rights" are government-granted group rights, which is precisely the opposite of individual liberty protected by even-handed government action.

"Human rights" first made their domestic appearance after the Civil Rights Movement had achieved its civil rights goals. The movement, then in the process of being co-opted by Marxists, black separatists, and other race hustlers, began looking for additional things to agitate for. The special privileges and affirmative action set-asides came to be as the movement started looking for "human rights" grievances to be met, rather than civil rights protections to be equalized.

The gay rights movement, which could not claim civil rights grievances, early on got into using "human rights" language in a big way. In doing this, it was piggybacking on the similarity of the sound of "human rights" to "civil rights," and on the fact that the civil rights movement itself was moving into human rights rather than civil rights agitation.

So, yes--the leftist protesters at the Denver convention were very much demonstrating for "human rights"--for group rights for favored groups only, granted by government fiat and enforced as special interests. They were demonstrating against the civil rights which are the foundation and glory of this country.

Do not confuse these two.

Just discovered this post!

You are correct. John Locke is the father of rights, and the inspiration to the founding fathers. He sets out rights in his Second Treatise on Civil Government, which should be required reading for every American. Each man has the right to his life, his liberty, the fruits of his labors and the pursuit of his happiness. Governments are instituted among men to uphold these rights. Individual rights place a sphere of protection around the individual.

This is why I always emphasize the importance of individual rights, because upholding them is the essence of proper government. It's the guiding principle for liberty and the bulwark against tyranny. A man's life is his and his alone, and nobody, including the state, has the right to it.

The idea of “human rights’, or "collective" rights, has no basis in logic. It's an arbitrary designation and an attack on actual rights. It is an attempt to take away our liberties for the sake of some group or groups and is a road to tyranny.

633 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:06:53pm
634 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:07:01pm
635 UberInfidel67  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:07:02pm

Someone should have curb-stomped the dumbass broad.

(if this is deleted, I will understand...I am just venting)

636 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:07:19pm

re: #598 ploome hineni

Wish I could help you, but I'm an autoloader guy.

I've often thought the "Son of Sam Special" -- the .44 Special Charter Arms Bulldog revolver -- might be a good wheelgun for self-defense. Anybody have any experience with it?

637 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:07:27pm

re: #623 MrPaulRevere

Did anyone else notice that at appox. 8 seconds into the 3rd video that woman appeared to make contact with the police horse? Notice how the horse reels. I could be wrong, just sayin'........

Good to see ya paul..
Has this turned into a Madonna thread bashing? I really like her British accent
so leave her alone..
*ducking*

638 Catttt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:07:29pm

Madonna - entourage of 250

Gov. Palin - drives reporter and herself to appearance at the state fair in her son's Toyota Camry with a cracked windshield. Track held the keys over her head until she promised to top up the tank on the way home.

Compare - contrast, just for fun.

639 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:07:54pm

re: #627 Mich-again

What have we become?”

How much time ya got?

640 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:08:04pm

This one says Alicia is talking with her attorney about filing charges.

A bit bruised, but fine. She has been out and about. She is talking with her attorney about filing charges. She’s surprised about the incident, since the police had been relatively friendly to her up until that point.”

So her lawyer is going to file charges against the police officer? Apparently she doesn't watch Law and Order. Thats not quite how it works.

641 JeremyR  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:08:17pm

When I took riot control training back in the 70's, one move they taught was to release the club with your right hand, and allow it to swing like a pendulum in your left. Lean closer to the agitator, then grasp the club above your left hand with the right and drive it down forcefully into the arch of their foot or their toes. People loose ALL interest in protest when they have a big toe the size of Rhode Island.

642 Catttt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:08:25pm

re: #626 Alouette

There was no internets then.

I remember it. I feel old as dirt. I must have read about it in one of them thar books. :D

643 sngnsgt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:08:31pm
644 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:09:20pm

re: #618 mikalm

common sense,
simple decency
understanding of concepts like "responsibility" or "unintended consequences" -- all elements that I consider necessary components of that ultimately indefinable quality we call "intelligence."

Wonder if our (American) High School students could pass these qualifications?

Ahh, okay, I thought you were a fan and I was trying so very hard not to offend. Now that I completely understand what you are saying, I do agree. Except for "can be excused" line. If you are going to put yourself out there in the spotlight and call yourself "a pop idol" for some to look up too, then there should be some sort of standards to hold these people to. If you want to be "taken seriously" then you need to be responsible with the ideas you peddle.

But then again, that is my two cents.

645 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:09:43pm
646 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:10:30pm

re: #638 Catttt

Madonna - entourage of 250

Gov. Palin - drives reporter and herself to appearance at the state fair in her son's Toyota Camry with a cracked windshield. Track held the keys over her head until she promised to top up the tank on the way home.

Compare - contrast, just for fun.

Hi Cattt. That's a wonderful story. Do you have a link so I can share?

647 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:11:34pm

re: #630 Alouette

Not that I am a gun owner or anything, but if you want a gun for protection you should get a shotgun and not be afraid to use it if you have to.

I guarantee you that ploome knows all about shotguns.

648 yesandno  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:12:35pm

OT

Palin on CNBC right now being interviewed. Don't know if it is current or old, but she just mentioned that: By the way, Biden voted against the pipeline years ago.

She calls Biden and Obama naive about drilling.......

649 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:12:38pm

re: #639 solomonpanting

What have we become?”

I almost put that line up there with "Can we all get along?"

650 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:12:39pm

re: #645 ploome hineni

is the 45 Colt double action. a revolver?

Ruger offers the Redhawk in 45 Colt now

The Redhawk has been around for a while. Not a small pistol, it was originally designed for the 44 Magnum. Should handle a 45 Colt comfortably.

I do not have a Redhawk; I have the Super Blackhawk in 44 Mag. I love stainless revolvers.

651 Shug  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:14:05pm

re: #638 Catttt

Madonna - entourage of 250

Gov. Palin - drives reporter and herself to appearance at the state fair in her son's Toyota Camry with a cracked windshield. Track held the keys over her head until she promised to top up the tank on the way home.

Compare - contrast, just for fun.

Hopefully she's about to get herself a considerably larger entourage

652 Cartman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:14:08pm

re: #629 ploome hineni

thanks, that just the suggestion I need

I have one, Ploome. It's a great little gun, with appropriate stopping power. The .38 special +P round is very "shootable" out of the Model 60, with not much recoil. The .357 out of the same gun requires a little more practice in terms of taming it. The only drawback is that the gun is a little pricey. And finally, Cartman's disclaimer - there is no substitute for professional firearms instruction - and practice. :)

653 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:15:15pm

re: #651 Shug

Gov. Palin - drives reporter and herself to appearance at the state fair in her son's Toyota Camry with a cracked windshield.


My 16 YO has a new car. But then, I'm more of an elitist.

654 Cartman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:15:31pm

re: #645 ploome hineni

is the 45 Colt double action. a revolver?

It's a single action, Ploome.

655 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:16:17pm

re: #648 yesandno

OT

Palin on CNBC right now being interviewed. Don't know if it is current or old, but she just mentioned that: By the way, Biden voted against the pipeline years ago.

She calls Biden and Obama naive about drilling.......


She has made Biden look like a fool..Can't wait for the debate..he is toast!

656 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:16:24pm

re: #612 Catttt

Madonna has proved time and time again, to be nothing more than an image whore/attention whore. She will literally do or say anything for media/press coverage. And this is what most liberal women will tout as a symbol of "feminism".

blech.

657 kuffar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:16:40pm

I carry a Sig Sauer P239 in .357 Sig. I like it. Not a lot of gimicks with it, not even a safety.

The round is fairly stout, basically a .40 caliber case necked down to accept .357 caliber bullets. Terminal balistics like a .357 Magnum.

I did my research on it. Several state and local law enforcement use the caliber as does the United States Secret Service. The USSS is s farily big endorsement of a caliber IMO. Which is why I bought it.

658 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:17:37pm

re: #614 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That reminds me of the puff "large and in charge" articles we were treated to when Slick Willie was president.

Funny how these dems all are decisive executives in their press coverage, yet Republicans are always goose-stepping morons who can't tie their own shoes.

You don't have to like Obama tg be impressed with what he has accomplished. From a very modest base, he build an organization that raised hundreds of millions of dollars, recruited thousands of volunteers from all over the country, and beat one of the best-known and best-financed politicians in the country--a sitting senator and former first lady. A moderately curious person would be interested in figuring out how he did it--if only to figure out how to beat him.

659 Alouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:17:50pm

re: #655 HoosierHoops

She has made Biden look like a fool..Can't wait for the debate..he is toast!

I can't wait for the moment when she opens his chest with her bare hands and rips out his beating heart.

660 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:18:27pm

re: #654 Cartman

It's a single action, Ploome.

[Link: ruger.com...]

661 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:18:33pm

re: #650 OldLineTexan

Ruger offers the Redhawk in 45 Colt now

The Redhawk has been around for a while. Not a small pistol, it was originally designed for the 44 Magnum. Should handle a 45 Colt comfortably.

I do not have a Redhawk; I have the Super Blackhawk in 44 Mag. I love stainless revolvers.

I have that gun in blue steel. Love it. Too bad the old .44 round is just as expensive as the magnum.

662 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:18:36pm

re: #657 kuffar

It's customary to provide a link when discussing guns or girls.

663 Racer X  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:18:39pm

If I had a time machine, I'd like to...

664 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:18:54pm

*repeats to herself* I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll...

665 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:19:23pm

re: #658 JustMyView

You don't have to like Obama tg be impressed with what he has accomplished. From a very modest base, he build an organization that raised hundreds of millions of dollars, recruited thousands of volunteers from all over the country, and beat one of the best-known and best-financed politicians in the country--a sitting senator and former first lady. A moderately curious person would be interested in figuring out how he did it--if only to figure out how to beat him.

George Soros and the Chicago Political Machine.

666 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:19:35pm

re: #644 baxtrice

Re "can be excused": Maybe I wasn't clear enough.

To put it differently, I believe that Diddy isn't nearly as morally culpable for his nonsensical rantings, since I don't think the guy is bright or sober enough to understand his own words in that pathetic clip.

Miss Material Girl, on the other hand, knows exactly what's she's doing with her constant, pretentious "artistic" calumny against America, Christianity, etc. She's kept her career going largely on creating and manipulating controversy, and should be held accountable for whatever results her self-serving outrages provoke.

No fan here, not by any means. But I can at least recognize (grossly misused) cleverness when I see it.

667 Cartman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:20:20pm

I will be interested to see if the links forwarded to the Denver PD and the news organizations exposing the truth in this incident are acknowledged.

668 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:20:34pm

re: #650 OldLineTexan
Stainless steel?! Sissy! :) Mine is just plain ol' blued with rubber recoil grips. The boys wanted to know why the blueing is worn off the end of the barrel! Many trips in and out of the holster. I just love that revolver.

669 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:20:35pm

Hey all y'all - sorry I'm late to this party - sorta surprised that there hasn't been a new thread but hope
that means that Charles is getting some well deserved
R&R!
What have I missed?!

670 Racer X  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:20:56pm

re: #658 JustMyView

he build an organization that raised hundreds of millions of dollars, recruited thousands of volunteers from all over the country, and beat one of the best-known and best-financed politicians in the country--a sitting senator and former first lady.


Wow! That is impressive!

But does not mean diddly-squat.

That is the weakest resume I have ever seen.

671 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:21:17pm

re: #658 JustMyView

You don't have to like Obama tg be impressed with what he has accomplished. From a very modest base, he build an organization that raised hundreds of millions of dollars, recruited thousands of volunteers from all over the country, and beat one of the best-known and best-financed politicians in the country--a sitting senator and former first lady. A moderately curious person would be interested in figuring out how he did it--if only to figure out how to beat him.

Well, shouldn't a presidential candidate have accomplished something more than building an organization and raising lots of money?

672 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:21:22pm

re: #668 pingjockey

Stainless steel?! Sissy! :) Mine is just plain ol' blued with rubber recoil grips. The boys wanted to know why the blueing is worn off the end of the barrel! Many trips in and out of the holster. I just love that revolver.

The blood comes off so easily, I can't help but love it.

673 JeremyR  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:21:24pm

re: #622 OldLineTexan

To carry, keep in a car, or keep in your business?

Carry: I like the five-shot .357 Magnum snubbies from Taurus or S&W, although I am still mad at S&W for not repudiating the HUD deal AFAIK.

Car: Same snubby, although you can go with a bigger frame and longer barrel, i.e. a full-size .357 like a Ruger GP100.

Business: A full-sized .357 or a .45 Colt double action.

Brands:
Ruger is usually economical, American-made, and has betrayed American gun owners less than Smith.
Smith is/was the best revolver made.
Taurus is a fine product, but is Brazilian-made. They have done a lot of technical improvements that Smith ignored for years.
Colt is nice, but overpriced.

For me, Carry is a 1911 Charles Daley Officers model, or rarely a H&R 632.
Vehicle is a Bushmaster carbon 15 pistol. If something bad hapopens on the road, its gonna be very bad.
Business would be either the bushmaster, or more likely a full size 1911 or my Taurus 45/410. It just plain looks nasty.
For home, its the 45 again or the 32.
My small collection includes a variety of calibers from the venerable 44mag to a host of .22s.

674 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:21:29pm

re: #446 Outrider

Wow. Impressive guy. On his 5th marriage at the ripe age of 35. Obviously a very gentle soul. I would have had him killed.

/sarc

675 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:21:32pm

re: #665 OldLineTexan

George Soros and the Chicago Political Machine.


That's the easy answer, but 2,000,000 people have contributed to his campaign. I kind of doubt that George Soros or Richard Daley had much direct influence on the 85,000 who came to Invesco Field the other night.


tre: #665 OldLineTexan

George Soros and the Chicago Political Machine.

676 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:21:46pm

re: #659 Alouette

I can't wait for the moment when she opens his chest with her bare hands and rips out his beating heart.

I mean really..this was a genius pick by mccain.. I am stunned and so impressed...unf*cking believeable..pure genius...Let the experience debate begin!
/welcome to the home field barry

677 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:22:31pm

Whoops? I screwed up that last post.

678 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:22:51pm

re: #673 JeremyR

Most excellent, but there was a "revolver" restriction in the original request.

679 Alouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:23:03pm

re: #677 JustMyView

Whoops? I screwed up that last post.

You screw up every post.

680 kuffar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:23:16pm

re: #662 Noam Sayin'

.357 Sig

681 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:23:30pm
682 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:24:07pm

When Palin debates Biden and eats his lunch the libs will pee and moan about how society won't permit a man to be "mean" to a woman and that's why Biden is at a disadvantage in the debates.

683 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:24:16pm

re: #672 OldLineTexan
Mwahaha! Got my .44 mag by accident. Guy on the ship had bought it, ran 5 rounds through it, said it banged to damn much. Got a brand new Blackhawk, 44 rounds, holster, cleaning kit for 100 bucks. I stole it.

684 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:24:25pm

re: #681 MandyManners

It is FOOTBALL TIME IN TENNESSEE!

As a huge Peyton fan..thank you!

685 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:24:34pm

re: #671 reine.de.tout

Well, shouldn't a presidential candidate have accomplished something more than building an organization and raising lots of money?


You mean like Jerry Lewis and the MD Telethon?

686 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:25:29pm

re: #677 JustMyView

Whoops? I screwed up that last post.

Nah, I got it. You miss my point. Barry did not start with a modest base. Barry is a creation.

And 85,000 idjits, thrill-seekers, curious, and empty-headed followers are easy to come by, if you get enough hype generated (think leg tingles).

687 Cartman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:25:43pm

re: #660 OldLineTexan

My bad. I didn't realize the Ruger was being discussed. The traditional .45 Colt (cowboy action) is indeed a single action revolver.

688 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:26:10pm

re: #658 JustMyView

A moderately curious person would be interested in figuring out how he did it

A moderately observant person could see he is a demagogue.

689 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:26:18pm

re: #685 solomonpanting

You mean like Jerry Lewis and the MD Telethon?

LOL! well, exactly!

I think Obama was selected, trained, groomed and promoted by Soros (or people on his behalf) and the Chicago Political Machine, as Old Line Texan indicated.

690 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:26:33pm

re: #666 mikalm

Re "can be excused": Maybe I wasn't clear enough.

To put it differently, I believe that Diddy isn't nearly as morally culpable for his nonsensical rantings, since I don't think the guy is bright or sober enough to understand his own words in that pathetic clip.

Miss Material Girl, on the other hand, knows exactly what's she's doing with her constant, pretentious "artistic" calumny against America, Christianity, etc. She's kept her career going largely on creating and manipulating controversy, and should be held accountable for whatever results her self-serving outrages provoke.

No fan here, not by any means. But I can at least recognize (grossly misused) cleverness when I see it.

You really don't like Diddy, do you? *winks* LOL
(Don't worry, I'm not a fan either.)

691 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:26:57pm

good grief! It's 10:26 here, and my "morning paper" was just delivered!

bbl

692 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:27:18pm

re: #686 OldLineTexan
Exactly. Barry is a creation of a machine. If he was a white male or even white female he would have never got this far. No damn experience at running ANYTHING!

693 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:27:25pm

Diddy's new moniker.

P Didiot.

694 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:27:25pm

re: #687 Cartman

My bad. I didn't realize the Ruger was being discussed. The traditional .45 Colt (cowboy action) is indeed a single action revolver.

Yes, I looked at a Beretta the other day. What I would give for a bigger allowance...

695 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:27:38pm

re: #658 JustMyView

You don't have to like Obama tg be impressed with what he has accomplished. From a very modest base, he build an organization that raised hundreds of millions of dollars, recruited thousands of volunteers from all over the country, and beat one of the best-known and best-financed politicians in the country--a sitting senator and former first lady. A moderately curious person would be interested in figuring out how he did it--if only to figure out how to beat him.

Only someone completely dishonest or utterly clueless wouldn't realize the importance of the Chicago machine backing him. You've managed to disregard that, in addition to disregarding the flat out fishy fund-raising activities. Or should I get into schools giving extra credit to students who "volunteer" at his offices.

Anyone else like to jump in and add to this?

696 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:27:40pm

re: #680 kuffar

A video, even. Well done, sir.

697 laZardo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:27:41pm

I suspect that by the time the truth about this story is made known, the original story will have become old news and "established canon."

698 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:27:46pm

re:

699 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:28:24pm

re: #688 Mich-again

A moderately observant person DOORKNOB could see he is a demagogue.

700 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:29:07pm

RealWest is in da house! how are you doing buddy? In pain tonight?
1. McCain is a friggin genius
2. I've been bitching that i bought a new laptop and my wife has let me use it ONCE..
3. Watching Nascar on TV..
That about covers it..
oh and so far Mandy hasn't told anyone to piss up a rope..so i think we're good..
{Mandy}

701 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:29:08pm
702 JSK1121  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:29:10pm

Man, this is OT, but they're doing a helluva job with this evacuation, aren't they?

703 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:29:11pm

re: #658 JustMyView

You don't have to like Obama tg be impressed with what he has accomplished. From a very modest base, he build an organization that raised hundreds of millions of dollars, recruited thousands of volunteers from all over the country, and beat one of the best-known and best-financed politicians in the country--a sitting senator and former first lady. A moderately curious person would be interested in figuring out how he did it--if only to figure out how to beat him.

What say you to all the voter fraud accusations that have piled up against Obama's campaign in the primary?

(dammit, I fed the troll)

704 nightintheruts  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:29:13pm

re: #449 The Shadow Do

Few people know that Putin fathered her as well. Kerry said she is "Cheneyesque". Little does he know that she is really Putinesqe. Be afraid may liberal friends, be afraid.


would that be like Pasta Putinesqe?

705 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:29:28pm

re: #689 reine.de.tout

LOL! well, exactly!

I think Obama was selected, trained, groomed and promoted by Soros (or people on his behalf) and the Chicago Political Machine, as Old Line Texan indicated.

/and P. Diddy's a big supporter

706 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:29:53pm

re: #671 reine.de.tout

Well, shouldn't a presidential candidate have accomplished something more than building an organization and raising lots of money?

He is working to create an opportunity to govern, and he has specified in considerable detail what he would try to do if elected. More experience would be good, but there are plenty of people in Congress and elsewhere who have long records. Energy, imagination, passion, the ability to motivate poeple, and sheer intelligence are harder to find. YMMV

707 Racer X  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:29:57pm

Hi guys!

You may not know me but I am a community organizer. Don't ask me what it was I organized, or how that organizing actually turned out.

I have never held a position with a public, or private, organization that required me to be held accountable for my actions. I have never implemented policies that resulted in significant cost savings or improved efficiencies.

I, um, am, um, a wonderful speaker, and able to convince millions of people to send me tons of money! Aint that great!

Vote for me please?

708 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:30:02pm

Just took a look at the 11:00 PM EST update from the National Hurricane Center. While Gustav will come ashore as a major hurricane, it won't be the "Mother of all Storms" that Ray Nagin and the MSM are hoping for. It looks like tops winds won't be more than 110-115 MPH and won't extend that far out form the center of the hurricane. While their will be major damage, I don't think that it will have the devastation that Katrina showed. As well, the pre-emptive actions taken by Governor Jindal will also mitigate the potential loss of life.

All of that said, my prayers go out to all that are in the path of this major hurricane.

/Former AF trained weather forecaster

709 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:30:03pm

Biggest whiney, self-absorbed douchebag?

Olbermann 46%
Matthews 30%
Scarborough 18%
Shuster 6%

710 Cartman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:30:13pm

re: #658 JustMyView

You don't have to like Obama tg be impressed with what he has accomplished. From a very modest base, he build an organization that raised hundreds of millions of dollars, recruited thousands of volunteers from all over the country, and beat one of the best-known and best-financed politicians in the country--a sitting senator and former first lady. A moderately curious person would be interested in figuring out how he did it--if only to figure out how to beat him.

So did Sun Myung Moon.

711 stevieray  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:30:16pm
712 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:30:16pm

re: #700 HoosierHoops
I think I beat her to it earlier. Some one linked to an article by some asshat named Spengler, who said we need to be nice to the Rooshans.

713 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:30:25pm

re: #704 nightintheruts

would that be like Pasta Putinesqe?

I already riffed that, total crickets.

714 laZardo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:30:45pm

re: #669 realwest

Nothing much, it seems...

715 yesandno  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:30:57pm

CAPITALISM....SHE LOVES IT!

This isn't some ignorant woman...Palin is the real thing.

716 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:31:03pm

re: #692 pingjockey

If he was a white male or even white female he would have never got this far.

But that's irrelevant. He is here. And he has a cult following. I don't think its big enough to win the general election and in fact the stronger it gets, the more the resistance to it will grow. The question is, how will the Obamaheads who own those giant Obama face T shirts deal with an Obama loss. The CT's and stories of alleged fraud and voter disenfranchisement will run rampant.

717 nightintheruts  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:31:33pm

re: #701 MandyManners


yeah, but where's the link to Vandy?

718 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:31:45pm

re: #643 sngnsgt

Drudge is linking it also

719 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:31:59pm

re: #702 JSK1121
That is cause Jindal threw out executive orders like the states Chief Executive is supposed to. Instead of sitting around with his thumb up his ass like Blanco and Nagin did!

720 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:32:13pm

re: #706 JustMyView

He is working to create an opportunity to govern, and he has specified in considerable detail what he would try to do if elected. More experience would be good, but there are plenty of people in Congress and elsewhere who have long records. Energy, imagination, passion, the ability to motivate poeple, and sheer intelligence are harder to find. YMMV

Hey! Obama has two of those! Let's vote for him!

/or, maybe not

721 laZardo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:32:29pm

re: #716 Mich-again

There'll probably be riots too after they start preaching that their messiah got Rodney King'd. Most of them would probably be like "eh" and go back home when they get tired on the first day though.

/Martin Luther King would be ashamed.

722 nightintheruts  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:32:29pm

re: #713 OldLineTexan

I already riffed that, total crickets.


damn, tough room!

723 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:32:31pm

re: #381 Archimedes

I think you should hang in here for a while. Just being tired isn't enough to cause you to leave.

I'm back now.

724 lostlakehiker  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:32:53pm

re: #127 ted

I strongly disagree. The Officer reacted with great restraint in a chaotic, dangerous, threatening situation.

Sorry, but whacking her isn't "great restraint". Since it wasn't a whack that dealt out any injury more serious than a minor bruise, it's no biggie, but neither is the officer any sort of shining example to all. He'd have done better to just push her back again.

725 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:33:00pm

re: #700 HoosierHoops
Hey hiya Hoops! Well my pain has subsided - with the help of some of my little "friends" but the last stitch fell out today, which means, I think, that I am getting better!
How are you doing tonight?

726 yesandno  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:33:20pm

re: #695 Mars Needs Neocons

Only someone completely dishonest or utterly clueless wouldn't realize the importance of the Chicago machine backing him. You've managed to disregard that, in addition to disregarding the flat out fishy fund-raising activities. Or should I get into schools giving extra credit to students who "volunteer" at his offices.

Anyone else like to jump in and add to this?


Without the endorsement of Ophra, he would be nothing.

727 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:34:08pm

re: #706 JustMyView

Barry will definetly have trouble finding his intelligence.

728 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:34:11pm

re: #702 JSK1121

Man, this is OT, but they're doing a helluva job with this evacuation, aren't they?

I wonder about all the folks who are bound to run out of gas on the highway in those traffic jams. Or the ones without the cash to live in a hotel hundreds of miles from home. I'm not sure mass evacuation is the best plan for an incident like this. I'm thinking local shelters would be more reasonable than trying to evacuate a major city.

729 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:35:18pm

re: #716 Mich-again
That is true. Them donks have been practicing it themselves during the primaries.

730 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:35:43pm
731 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:35:44pm

re: #728 Mich-again

I wonder about all the folks who are bound to run out of gas on the highway in those traffic jams. Or the ones without the cash to live in a hotel hundreds of miles from home. I'm not sure mass evacuation is the best plan for an incident like this. I'm thinking local shelters would be more reasonable than trying to evacuate a major city.

Except local shelters were shown to have problems as well during Katrina. See Louisiana Superdome for evidence.

732 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:36:16pm

Every nutbag in America not too stoned to find the polling place is voting for Obama.

/people with real jobs who can see utter bull[expletive deleted] for what it is are voting for McCain

733 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:36:49pm

re: #708 Semper Gumbi
Hi Semper Gumbi!
"it won't be the "Mother of all Storms" that Ray Nagin and the MSM are hoping for." (sorrry, for some reason the quote button feature isn't working for me).
Why would Ray Nagin hope for the Mother of all Storms?!

734 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:37:27pm
735 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:37:27pm

re: #726 yesandno

Without the endorsement of Ophra Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers, he would be nothing.

736 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:37:39pm

re: #695 Mars Needs Neocons

Only someone completely dishonest or utterly clueless wouldn't realize the importance of the Chicago machine backing him. You've managed to disregard that, in addition to disregarding the flat out fishy fund-raising activities. Or should I get into schools giving extra credit to students who "volunteer" at his offices.

Anyone else like to jump in and add to this?

How much power do you think the Chicago machine has in South Carolina, where Obama won by something like 25 points? In North Carolina, where he won by something like 17 points? Wisconsin? Iowa?

Certainly there were people in Illinois who supported him early in his career and who support him now, but they do not have the reach to bring him to national attention.

Hey, Sara Palin's mom is thinking about voting for him!

737 JeremyR  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:37:57pm

re: #678 OldLineTexan

Most excellent, but there was a "revolver" restriction in the original request.

Crap, missed that, I came late to the thread. the 632 is a revolver. under powered as all get out, ya best be accurate. Its one my wife can still handle.
Years back, my vehicle and all round gun was a Colt Trooper mkV. It had a hair trigger in SA mode, so more then one person shot at satellites.
In 1986 I added a S&W 29 to the resume. both are blued.
I like Dirty Harry and his advise, I kept it loaded with 44spcl. all the knockdown power of the .357 and the recoil of a 38.
I don't mind the 44 mag rounds, but in situations where control is essential, and fast shots a must, having a round that did not take me much off target was a bonus. I replaced the grips with Pachmars right after I got it.
Now, though, if I was restricted to a wheel gun, it would be the Taurus. The look makes scum shit them selves, a three inch cylinder and three inch barrel.

738 Freedom Fan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:38:14pm

I would sooner trust an alien abduction story from Star magazine than anything from Paul A. Anthony, Rocky Mountain News.

Nice editing work, Pauly ... mikey moore would be proud.

Gee I wonder why the readership of the MSM is falling like a stone?

739 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:38:29pm
740 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:39:32pm

re: #675 JustMyView

You are a fool.

We have described a number of times how the gatherings for him are arranged and pre-planned. We have detailed large numbers of cases where outright fraud was involved in his fund raising.

There is also the fact that he has the press almost entirely in worship mode.

Yet you still continue to believe that he did this himself.

Once again.

You are a fool.

741 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:39:33pm

re: #739 ploome hineni

Obama made some speeches

shoved some people under the bus

There's a New Orleans evacuation cartoon in there somewhere...

742 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:40:43pm

Obama is popular in Europe, including Ireland.

Hopefully, he will be ever-so-available on Nov. 5.

743 JeremyR  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:40:50pm

re: #683 pingjockey

Mwahaha! Got my .44 mag by accident. Guy on the ship had bought it, ran 5 rounds through it, said it banged to damn much. Got a brand new Blackhawk, 44 rounds, holster, cleaning kit for 100 bucks. I stole it.

I was in the service with a guy who hada 629 S&W with a 4 inch barrel. The recoil was amazing. After he had fired twelve, I handed him my 999 H&R, then tried not to fall down laughing.

744 JSK1121  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:40:57pm

I heard former Gov. Blanco speaking earlier on the tube. She was making all kinds of lame excuses as to why Katrina was so bad. I think she said nobody did anything because it got 'polticized.'

Excuses, excuses...

745 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:40:59pm

re: #706 JustMyView

Energy, imagination, passion, the ability to motivate poeple, and sheer intelligence are harder to find. YMMV

Curious. This is what drives you? No need to answer since I think you have just described the whole impetus behind his drive to power.

Curious.

746 laZardo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:41:12pm

re: #733 realwest

After the humiliation of Katrina, I doubt he would be actively hoping for it. Using the term, maybe, seeing as how given the still-weakened state of the levees, it would help garner a lot (perhaps excessive) amounts of attention.

747 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:41:27pm

re: #733 realwest

Hi Semper Gumbi!
"it won't be the "Mother of all Storms" that Ray Nagin and the MSM are hoping for." (sorrry, for some reason the quote button feature isn't working for me).
Why would Ray Nagin hope for the Mother of all Storms?!

I don't know. Perhaps hoping to make the Administration look bad. Apparently he was quoted as calling Gustav the "mother of all storms" earlier today. At that time, the NHC was still calling for strengthening to at least cat 4, perhaps that was what he was talking about. OTOH, he's probably just an idiot.

748 JCM  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:41:44pm

Evening lizards!

zombie, great job as usual!

A surprisingly balanced report in Seattle Media.

Concealed pistol permits up 43 percent in Wash

749 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:41:50pm

re: #736 JustMyView

How much power do you think the Chicago machine has in South Carolina, where Obama won by something like 25 points? In North Carolina, where he won by something like 17 points? Wisconsin? Iowa

As much as it had back in 1960! Same machine, same power brokers. Hoepfully, not the same result.

750 HoosierHoops  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:42:07pm

re: #725 realwest

Hey hiya Hoops! Well my pain has subsided - with the help of some of my little "friends" but the last stitch fell out today, which means, I think, that I am getting better!
How are you doing tonight?

Well that is great news..I'm so glad you are feeling better..
This morning before i went swimming i posted to you about what to do when you have tummy pains from taking pain killers..
12 hours i'll repeat..buy some buttermilk at the store..drink that gross sh*t..
A nurse turned me onto to that when i was on pain pills with a bad injury..
You could be on friggin anything including morphine and your tummy is going..bring it on..no problem..
Trust me..that stuff is gross to drink..make me proud and suck it up..
oh..it's girls night out..i'll be here for awhile...

751 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:42:41pm

re: #721 laZardo

With the modern polling what it is, the key battleground States will be well know going into November 4th and look for all sorts of shenanigans in those key States. I'm thinking Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania.

752 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:42:54pm
753 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:43:09pm
754 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:43:15pm

re: #736 JustMyView

Hey, Sara Palin's mom is thinking about voting for him!


Whoops! Meant to say mother-in-law.

755 nyc redneck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:01pm

the obamas spends a lot of time time expounding on what is wrong w/ america.
i never knew this country was such a cess pool.
i never knew i was so unhappy and so destitute.

lol, i reject these bullshitters.

756 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:06pm

re: #698 kevinmumaw

ArcXIX, I'm calling you a weirdo. And a really impressive one. The sooner you come forward with this admission of weirdness to the public, the better.

Seriously, ArcXIX is the kind of guy that wears Federal Boob Inspector T-shirts at the beach and expects the ladies to come-a-callin'. And his mother stopped complaining that her 46 year old son still hasn't made her a grandmother.

One of the more obvious issues in the lefty DU/Kos world is the fact that Ms Palin's daughter is hot. So like Jenna Bush, she attracts a certain amount of unwaned speculation by basement boys.

757 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:11pm

re: #754 JustMyView

Whoops! Meant to say mother-in-law.

Link?

758 Colonel Panik  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:17pm

re: #726 yesandno

Without the endorsement of Ophra, he would be nothing.

Okra Windfree and Barack Arugula.

759 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:17pm

re: #723 The Other Les

I'm back now.

Awesome. I'm getting sleepy, though.

760 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:18pm

re: #753 ploome hineni

JustMyView apparantly is unaware that it was the same Chicago Machine that in large part got Kennedy elected in 1960

761 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:33pm

You know, when it was announced that Obamajebus was picking Biden, most of the Dextrosphere just snickered and made comments about his very obvious hair transplants and his calling Obama "clean and articulate."

McCain picks Palin, and HOO BOY! you better not need tinfoil for barbecuing this weekend, because there's been a run on the stores! And it's only supposed to get nastier from here on out.

762 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:53pm

re: #739 ploome hineni

Obama made some speeches

shoved some people under the bus

I'll take notes so that I know the road to success too!

763 JCM  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:44:54pm

re: #760 sattv4u2

JustMyView apparantly is unaware that it was the same Chicago Machine that in large part got Kennedy elected in 1960

I see dead voters!

764 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:45:16pm

Hey y'all - is LGF acting a little weirod for anyone else?

765 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:45:43pm

re: #734 ploome hineni

the orginization was in place before Obama. They were waiting for the ONE to elevate

Yes, exactly. They have been watching, and they chose, trained, promoted and supported him

766 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:45:46pm

re: #749 sattv4u2

How much power do you think the Chicago machine has in South Carolina, where Obama won by something like 25 points? In North Carolina, where he won by something like 17 points? Wisconsin? Iowa

As much as it had back in 1960! Same machine, same power brokers. Hoepfully, not the same result.

In fact, I don't think the Daley machine does have as much power as it did in 1960, but, in any case, it was Chicago and Cook County that Daley is believed to have influenced in 1960, not the other states that Obama won.

767 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:45:52pm
768 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:46:00pm

re: #760 sattv4u2

JustMyView apparantly is unaware that it was the same Chicago Machine that in large part got Kennedy elected in 1960

And let's not forget, Nixon put his country first and didn't contest the election, unlike Al Bore.

769 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:46:06pm

I mean, specifically in posting comments and in using
the new comments button?

770 ggt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:46:27pm

Good Evening Lizards! It's been humid and allergic, but not terribly hot, in the Very Far Western Parts of Chicagoland today.

ZOMBIE you simply rock!

I have to say I was also impressed with the horses. I always wonder why a 1000+ animal would put up with all that, and I'm thankful they do.

What are we talking about and How is everyone?

771 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:47:15pm
772 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:47:23pm

re: #766 JustMyView

In fact, I don't think the Daley machine does have as much power as it did in 1960, but, in any case, it was Chicago and Cook County that Daley is believed to have influenced in 1960, not the other states that Obama won.

I suggest you do some research in regards to the election of 1960 and Daleys influence, NOT just in Chicago/ Cook

773 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:47:50pm
774 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:47:58pm

re: #732 Killian Bundy

Every nutbag in America not too stoned to find the polling place is voting for Obama.

/people with real jobs who can see utter bull[expletive deleted] for what it is are voting for McCain

I would change that to "supporting", history has shown they have a hard time remembering to vote.

775 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:00pm

re: #708 Semper Gumbi

Just took a look at the 11:00 PM EST update from the National Hurricane Center. While Gustav will come ashore as a major hurricane, it won't be the "Mother of all Storms" that Ray Nagin and the MSM are hoping for. It looks like tops winds won't be more than 110-115 MPH and won't extend that far out form the center of the hurricane. While their will be major damage, I don't think that it will have the devastation that Katrina showed. As well, the pre-emptive actions taken by Governor Jindal will also mitigate the potential loss of life.

All of that said, my prayers go out to all that are in the path of this major hurricane.

/Former AF trained weather forecaster

My hubby just said to me that it doesn't appear this thing is going to be as bad as they originally predicted, and THANK GOODNESS for it.

776 JCM  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:09pm

re: #769 realwest

I mean, specifically in posting comments and in using
the new comments button?

I'm not noticing anything than my lack of powers of observation, I type a comment then...... WTF are my link buttons?

777 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:12pm

re: #567 ploome hineni

ok

I need to buy a revolver

any recommendations?

carry or home defense?

Ruger GP100 .357 for home
Ruger SP101 .357 bobbed hammer for carry

of course there are many other fine choices

778 Colonel Panik  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:21pm

re: #773 ploome hineni

and what does that prove?

if my Aunt had a dick she would be my uncle

Not in San Francisco.

779 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:27pm
780 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:35pm

re: #750 HoosierHoops
I'd druther throw up than drink buttermilk!
But thank you for your concern! LOL!

781 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:44pm

re: #769 realwest

It's fine for me but Charles put in some new equipment for the comment box today so you'd probably want to refresh.

782 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:48:59pm

re: #736 JustMyView

How much power do you think the Chicago machine has in South Carolina, where Obama won by something like 25 points? In North Carolina, where he won by something like 17 points? Wisconsin? Iowa?

Certainly there were people in Illinois who supported him early in his career and who support him now, but they do not have the reach to bring him to national attention.

Hey, Sara Palin's mom is thinking about voting for him!

They have as much power as their money gives them. Do you really believe he's self-made. If so then I have a great deal on some seafront property here in MT.

783 JeremyR  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:17pm

re: #736 JustMyView

How much power do you think the Chicago machine has in South Carolina, where Obama won by something like 25 points? In North Carolina, where he won by something like 17 points? Wisconsin? Iowa?

Certainly there were people in Illinois who supported him early in his career and who support him now, but they do not have the reach to bring him to national attention.

Hey, Sara Palin's mom is thinking about voting for him!

You have no clue about the Illinois machine. Its not that their tentacles reach to Florida, its thgat they can convince people to vote for him. They can pollish a turd like no one else can. Look at his record in the illinois legislature, its zip, nadda. The guy is an empty suit. The powers that be have made him their post turtle.

784 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:17pm
785 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:21pm

re: #761 RememberSekhmet?

You know, when it was announced that Obamajebus was picking Biden, most of the Dextrosphere just snickered and made comments about his very obvious hair transplants and his calling Obama "clean and articulate."

McCain picks Palin, and HOO BOY! you better not need tinfoil for barbecuing this weekend, because there's been a run on the stores! And it's only supposed to get nastier from here on out.

I would say that is a fair observation. But comparing hair transplants and a VP Elect's criticism of his new boss is a bit different than implying Palin purposely endangered her baby and caused it to have Down Syndrome. The silly criticisms of the right seem a bit tame, don't they?

786 JCM  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:28pm

The Georgia conflict has memos flying at NASA.

The fighting between Russia and Georgia has put a strain on plans to rely on Russian boosters until the Shuttle's replacement flies in 2015. Yet extending the Shuttle's life is no sure thing. According to a former NASA program manager, "We started shutting down the shuttle four years ago.
787 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:49:54pm

re: #782 Mars Needs Neocons

If so then I have a great deal on some seafront property here in MT.

After this hurricane ,, you might !

788 Alouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:50:17pm

re: #769 realwest

I mean, specifically in posting comments and in using
the new comments button?

The fonts in the comment box were really teeny, but I dumped cache and they're OK now.

789 Colonel Panik  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:50:47pm

re: #786 JCM

The Georgia conflict has memos flying at NASA.

NASA better get their butts in gear.


Memo to John McCain. Get "Buzz" Aldrin to come out of retirement and appoint him director of NASA.

790 JSK1121  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:50:47pm

re: #787 sattv4u2

If so then I have a great deal on some seafront property here in MT.

After this hurricane ,, you might !

Too soon!

791 JCM  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:50:48pm

re: #777 spidly

carry or home defense?

Ruger GP100 .357 for home
Ruger SP101 .357 bobbed hammer for carry

of course there are many other fine choices

Ruger makes fine wheel guns, S&W is also a quality America made revolver.

792 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:51:33pm

re: #771 JustMyView

JMV: Thanks!

793 Colonel Panik  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:51:43pm

re: #788 Alouette

The fonts in the comment box were really teeny, but I dumped cache and they're OK now.

It always feels better to toss your cookies.

794 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:51:57pm

re: #792 Semper Gumbi

JMV: Thanks!

You're very welcome.

795 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:52:29pm

re: #781 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hey PBJ! Hope you're well tonight!
I didn't refresh, I re-booted, same problems so I switched from Maxthon to IE 6 Browser and at least I can now post comments and get new comments.

796 lifeofthemind  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:52:56pm

In the news. More threats from Russia. Cubans brave and confident that Fearless Leader will help them. Particularly hard it was the Isle of Youth. That is the former Isle of Pines made famous as Che's private Gulag and murder resort.

797 ggt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:01pm

re: #748 JCM

Excellent link --hope you put it in the spin-offs for future reference.

Thanks!

798 laZardo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:09pm

re: #751 Mich-again

Watch for "Republican election theft" in those states then. (;

799 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:23pm

re: #771 JustMyView

From your link..

"She's an excellent social conservative, fiscal conservative and political conservative," said Tom Baird, 68, a Vietnam veteran who sat with his Gideon Bible opened to 1Corinthians. "If she can energize the conservative base, it won't matter if she gets the women's vote."

What do you think of that statement. I think he has a good point. But I assume when he refers to the "women's vote" he means the liberal women's vote, seeing as conservative women are part of the conservative base.

800 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:24pm

re: #787 sattv4u2

If so then I have a great deal on some seafront property here in MT.

After this hurricane ,, you might !

lol

801 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:53:24pm
802 jaunte  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:00pm

Zombie, I'm late to the thread, but wanted to add my thanks for your report which adds needed context to that segment of tape. I admit it had me going for the excessive force story when I first saw it. I'm glad you were able to get those additional shots of Alicia Forrest getting up with no signs of injury a moment after the action on tape. I hope the complete report gets wide play.

803 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:15pm

re: #783 JeremyR

Its not that their tentacles reach to Florida,

They actually do (and did as far back as 1960) It wasn't just Chicago and Cook County that Richard Daley the Sr delivered for Jack Kennedy. He had an organization that stretched from Florida to California

804 JCM  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:32pm

re: #797 ggt

Excellent link --hope you put it in the spin-offs for future reference.

Thanks!

Before the surge in permits, 1 in 25 Washingtonians have a CPL.

805 Beller0ph1  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:54:43pm

re: #501 jwb7605

My wife just got me season 1 while I'm in Cedar Rapids helping my company with the flood relief. I loved the episodes that I saw on syndication.

806 Bobibutu  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:12pm

re: #1 zombie

Woo-hoo!

Woo Hoo indeed Zom. Not so trivial.

807 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:34pm

re: #798 laZardo

Watch for "Republican election theft" in those states then. (;

Most definitely. And busloads of voters who didn't make it to the polls because someone shot out the tires.

808 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:55:49pm

re: #801 ploome hineni

re: #545 JustMyView

you said

maybe you can explain

how did he/Obama choose Ayers and the Rev Wright?

did Obama use the same judgement to chooose them?

It's really strange Ploome. It responds to most people, but somehow your posts are invisible to it.

How about it JMV can you pull your head out of Obambi's ass long enough to engage Ploome in convo?

809 Cartman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:19pm

"I'm not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she's a woman and a conservative. Well, she's a better speaker than McCain," Faye Palin said with a laugh. "People will say she hasn't been on the national scene long enough. But I believe she's a quick study."

- Quote from Faye Palin, Sarah's mother-in-law

Gee, thanks a lot, Mom.

/not

810 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:19pm

My pet peeve: Lizards who waste my surfing time posting a quote from a comment they like that has ALREADY been re-quoted numerous times. Reply works just fine. Think about it.

811 JCM  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:22pm

re: #795 realwest

RW,
How ya' doing today, any relief yet?

812 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:42pm

re: #808 Mars Needs Neocons

Psst, JMV's reading the talking points, give 'em a second.

LOL

813 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:48pm

re: #658 JustMyView

You don't have to like Obama tg be impressed with what he has accomplished. From a very modest base, he build an organization that raised hundreds of millions of dollars, recruited thousands of volunteers from all over the country, and beat one of the best-known and best-financed politicians in the country--a sitting senator and former first lady. A moderately curious person would be interested in figuring out how he did it--if only to figure out how to beat him.

Do the Monica on George Soros.

814 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:54pm

re: #785 pat

I would say that is a fair observation. But comparing hair transplants and a VP Elect's criticism of his new boss is a bit different than implying Palin purposely endangered her baby and caused it to have Down Syndrome. The silly criticisms of the right seem a bit tame, don't they?

Exactly my point.

815 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:57pm

re: #807 Mich-again

Most definitely. And busloads of voters who didn't make it to the polls because someone shot out the tires.

Obama's bus don't need no stinkin' tires. It can slide to the polls on the bodies underneath.

816 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:56:57pm

re: #799 Mich-again

From your link..

What do you think of that statement. I think he has a good point. But I assume when he refers to the "women's vote" he means the liberal women's vote, seeing as conservative women are part of the conservative base.

I think the speaker is accurate. That is, what he is characterizing as women's vote would be liberal women, perhaps women who supported HRC, and I'd doubt that they would be especially attracted to Palin, but social conservatives have made it clear that they find her very attractive. It'll take a couple of weeks, I imagine, for things to shake out so that pollsters can develop a reasonably reliable picture of who "her" voters are.

817 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:57:03pm

re: #809 Cartman

"I'm not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she's a woman and a conservative. Well, she's a better speaker than McCain," Faye Palin said with a laugh. "People will say she hasn't been on the national scene long enough. But I believe she's a quick study."

- Quote from Faye Palin, Sarah's mother-in-law

Gee, thanks a lot, Mom.

/not

Every family has 'em.

818 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:57:46pm

re: #812 baxtrice

Psst, JMV's reading the talking points, give 'em a second.

LOL

Actually I haven't seen any proof that JMV can comprehend written material at all, so she must have Talking points on tape TM

819 laZardo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:57:55pm

re: #764 realwest

/pokes?

820 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:57:57pm

re: #809 Cartman
Hey Cartman! How are ya tonight?

821 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:11pm

re: #795 realwest

I'm doing just fine, thanks. Sure hope you are feeling better by now.

822 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:38pm

re: #803 sattv4u2

Its not that their tentacles reach to Florida,

They actually do (and did as far back as 1960) It wasn't just Chicago and Cook County that Richard Daley the Sr delivered for Jack Kennedy. He had an organization that stretched from Florida to California

Really?! Do you have some documentation of that claim? It's fairly remarkable. I don't live in Chicao now, but I lived there when Daley, Sr. was still in office, and I never heard anyone suggest that he was able to influence elections outside the state. That'd have been damn impressive.

823 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:41pm

re: #675 JustMyView

But somebody had to prime the pump or get the ball rolling.

824 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:47pm

re: #810 MrPaulRevere

My pet peeve: Lizards who waste my surfing time posting a quote from a comment they like that has ALREADY been re-quoted numerous times. Reply works just fine. Think about it.

I happen to like wasting your surfing time. Get to work!

/

825 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:58:50pm

re: #809 Cartman

Gee, thanks a lot, Mom.

/not

Technically, Mother in Law. All those jokes about Mother in Laws... They are true.

826 ggt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:07pm

re: #809 Cartman

so mummy didn't like that her baby boy married his high school sweetheart?

827 Wendya  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:23pm

re: #545 JustMyView

Here's a lengthy article about Obama's campaign organization.

Rolling Stone magazine?

You're seriously linking to the same outfit that airbrushed Al Gore's crotch to make him appeal to liberals?

Did I miss the sarcasm tag?

828 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 8:59:28pm

re: #814 RememberSekhmet?

I thought so. just checking.

829 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:00:40pm

re: #822 JustMyView

Really?! Do you have some documentation of that claim? It's fairly remarkable. I don't live in Chicao now, but I lived there when Daley, Sr. was still in office, and I never heard anyone suggest that he was able to influence elections outside the state. That'd have been damn impressive.

Hey, not Sr., but who showed up in FLA in 2000 on the Algore team? Why?

830 Cartman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:00:41pm

re: #810 MrPaulRevere

My pet peeve: Lizards who waste my surfing time posting a quote from a comment they like that has ALREADY been re-quoted numerous times. Reply works just fine. Think about it.

My pet peeve: Lizards who waste my surfing time posting a quote from a comment they like that has ALREADY been re-quoted numerous times. Reply works just fine. Think about it.
My pet peeve: Lizards who waste my surfing time posting a quote from a comment they like that has ALREADY been re-quoted numerous times. Reply works just fine. Think about it.

...

831 JCM  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:00:43pm

re: #826 ggt

so mummy didn't like that her baby boy married his high school sweetheart?

If you listened to Alan Colomes the wedding was of the shot gun sort.

832 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:00:44pm

re: #818 Mars Needs Neocons

Actually I haven't seen any proof that JMV can comprehend written material at all, so she must have Talking points on tape TM

"Talking Points for Dummies"
Coming soon to a bookstore near you!

"Talking Points Sparknotes"
For when you just don't have time to read the book AND refill the bong!

Bwahahahaha! (I crackz myself up)

833 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:00:45pm

re: #819 laZardo
Pokes?!? I don't understand that!

834 SpartanWoman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:01:06pm

re: #771 JustMyView

Here it is.

Sarah Palin's mother-in-law uncertain about how she'll vote

10:1 she's pretty certain and is planning out what she will wear to the inaugural balls in DC

835 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:01:13pm

re: #816 JustMyView

I updinged you because I agree that it will take a couple of weeks for the polls to shake out regarding Governor Palin.

836 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:01:17pm

re: #826 ggt

I was just going to say that.

837 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:01:39pm

re: #816 JustMyView

and I'd doubt that they would be especially attracted to Palin,

Wrong again, JMV. I doubt it will make the MSM but I just took in a taped satellite feed from St. Louis for a client. Palin and McCain were in front of a very large enthusiastic crowd ,, Lots of Mccain Palin signs ,,, just as many Hillary signs in the crowd

838 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:01:58pm

re: #816 JustMyView

It'll take a couple of weeks, I imagine, for things to shake out so that pollsters can develop a reasonably reliable picture of who "her" voters are.

I think that if dumbass libs like Alan Colmes keep attacking her with stupid bullshit, it will indeed bring more Hillary supporters to McCain's side. As for a spat with her Mother in Law, what married person can't identify with that? That story doesn't hurt her one bit.

839 JCM  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:02:02pm

re: #829 OldLineTexan

Hey, not Sr., but who showed up in FLA in 2000 on the Algore team? Why?

When Al Bore announced Daley was heading up the recount team, I bust a gut laughing. My wife asked what was so funny, I had to give her a brief history of Chicago politics.

840 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:02:06pm

re: #830 Cartman

...

I think you had better respect Cartman's authori-tie.

841 realwest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:02:19pm

re: #811 JCM Hey there JCM! Well a little relief - last stitch fell out so it's no longer irritating my gums, but the socket and bone above it are still pretty sore, but yeah, I am feeling better!
How are you doing tonight?

842 Cartman  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:02:59pm

re: #820 realwest

Hiya, R-Dubs! Doin' great - another 100+ mile ride on the Harley again today. It was picture-perfect weather. Don't get no better than that. ;)

Glad your pain is under control, my friend!

843 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:03:04pm

re: #834 SpartanWoman

10:1 she's pretty certain and is planning out what she will wear to the inaugural balls in DC

I'm guessing you are correct. LOL

844 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:03:26pm

re: #831 JCM

If you listened to Alan Colomes the wedding was of the shot gun sort.

Obama would've helped her to not be punished with a baby like that.

845 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:03:29pm

re: #832 baxtrice

"Talking Points for Dummies"
Coming soon to a bookstore near you!

"Talking Points Sparknotes"
For when you just don't have time to read the book AND refill the bong!

Bwahahahaha! (I crackz myself up)

Crap, the bong caught the notes on fire.

/

846 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:03:47pm

re: #829 OldLineTexan

Hey, not Sr., but who showed up in FLA in 2000 on the Algore team? Why?

Because Bill Daley was a campaign advisor. All presidential campaigns have advisors from all over the country. By the time Daley "showed up" in Florida, the voting was over. All that was left was to fight over the counting. And if your argument that the national reach of the Daley organization were so powerful, Gore would have won!

847 laZardo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:05pm

re: #833 realwest

Just making sure you're there so I can say "Hi!" to you. LOL. (;

848 JustMyView  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:10pm

re: #835 Semper Gumbi

I updinged you because I agree that it will take a couple of weeks for the polls to shake out regarding Governor Palin.

Thanks for that!

849 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:22pm

re: #827 Wendya

Rolling Stone magazine?

You're seriously linking to the same outfit that airbrushed Al Gore's crotch to make him appeal to liberals?

Did I miss the sarcasm tag?

I seem to remember reading a Rolling Stone article earlier this year..to incite class warfare..Oh yeah, here it is LINK

Egad, I hate Rolling Stone.

850 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 9:04:37pm

re: #839 JCM

When Al Bore announced Daley was heading up the recount team, I bust a gut laughing. My wife asked what was so funny, I had to give her a brief history of Chicago politics.