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Zombie: Anatomy of a Video - Democratic Convention 2008

Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 3:39:20 pm PDT

(Cross-posted at Pajamas Media.)

How the media and left-wing blogs combined to create a police scandal out of thin air

The real story behind the Alicia Forrest/Carlo Garcia arrests.

On Tuesday, August 27, during the Democratic National Convention in Denver, I witnessed an incident that seemed at the time to be rather minor, but which over the subsequent days turned into a major scandal — primarily due to a video posted online by the Rocky Mountain News. This carefully edited video shows Officer Stewart of the Denver Police knocking Alicia Forrest of Code Pink to the ground during a protest, and then, after an edit, Forrest getting arrested by other officers. This video has created a firestorm among left-wing blogs, and also engendered many follow-up stories in the Denver Post, the Rocky Mountain News, Westword, and other mainstream Denver media outlets.

However, I personally witnessed the entire incident, from the beginning to the end, and can say without reservation that the Rocky Mountain News video is intentionally deceptive, and crafted to make the protester (Alicia Forrest) appear to be a victim of needless police brutality. I have photographic and video proof, shown below, that Alicia Forrest “asked for it” in the sense that she disobeyed police commands to stay back and also taunted the police; and that she was not seriously injured by Officer Stewart; and that the Rocky Mountain News in particular committed an act of media malfeasance by purposely posting on their site a deceptive video that left out all the context surrounding the incident. Furthermore, many blogs jumped on the story and trumpeted it as evidence of police misbehavior, when in fact there was no misbehavior at all.

The report below has 25 photos and four short videos, but bear with me and read all the way through to the end in order to see the full story. The full incident lasted many minutes and is a little complicated, but can easily be followed photo-by-photo in the report below.

Let’s start things off with the one-minute-long Rocky Mountain News video that is the focus of the scandal (originally posted as part of this article). Watch it now. What are your impressions? Doesn’t it seem like that innocent little girl was first beaten and then arrested by the police for no reason? Shocking, isn’t it?

But that’s not the entirety of what happened. Keep reading to see the full story that the Rocky Mountain News (and other media outlets) didn’t want you to see.

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The story began when a group of extreme anti-gay Christian preachers showed up in Civic Center Park to reproach the mostly left-wing crowd gathering for an unrelated parade and protest march.

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They immediately drew a large circle of detractors and media.

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Dozens of people were yelling at and getting into arguments with the Christians. These two men mockingly simulated gay sexual acts to taunt the preachers.

But it wasn’t all fun and games and mockery. As the minutes passed, the atmosphere began getting more and more confrontational, as revealed in this video showing a radcial group chanting “Racist, sexist, anti-gay, Christian fascists go away!”

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Eventually, the police felt they needed to intervene in order to prevent a possible outbreak of violence. Mounted police moved in and told everyone to step back and stop pressing in around the preachers.

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The police then tried to set up a defensive perimeter.

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I originally moved a bit away, as instructed, and so missed exactly what happened next, but according to the Denver Post, “Carlo Garcia, a leader of protest group Recreate 68, had asked police to escort the [anti-gay Christian] pastor out of the park. Instead, police said Garcia posed a threat and arrested him.” I saw that the Recreate 68 guy (later identified as Carlo Garcia) had been confrontational and threatened to remove the Christians himself, because he didn’t like what they were saying; the police replied that everyone was entitled to free speech, no matter what their point of view; when Garcia wouldn’t back down, they arrested him. The Las Vegas Sun published this photo of Garcia menacingly grabbing or wielding a pole.

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Here’s a photo taken of him being arrested, moments afterward.

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OK, everything up until now has been simply a precursor, setting the stage for the controversy that was to follow. As Garcia was being led away, a very large group of protesters, members of the media and just plain hangers-on followed the arresting officers, swarming around and demanding that they “let him go.” Many photographers (myself included) scrambled to record the action, and it was here that I first encountered the Code Pink member whom I later learned was called Alicia Forrest. You can see her in the foreground of this picture, wearing pink clothes and a pink crown. Notice how, of all the photographers, she was standing closest to the mounted officers.

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In fact, in every picture I took, Forrest was always the one person closest to the action and most aggressively challenging the police. Despite the fact that the police very loudly and forcefully ordered everyone to “GET BACK!”, Forrest would not get back.

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Here you can see Carlo Garcia being escorted by the police, and Alicia Forrest once again testing the limits of acceptable behavior by crowding in as close as she could get. Furthermore, despite having a camera, she was obviously not a journalist, because she was wearing a “protest outfit” (Code Pink-style clothes) and was among the people yelling at the officers “Let him go!” and “Police brutality!”

This video shows the second part of the convoy/chase, in which police transported Garcia from the middle of Civic Center Park over to Bannock Street. Pay close attention to how the police officers repeatedly command everyone to “GET BACK!” and “Back AWAY from these people — NOW!” and even despite all that, Alicia Forrest is still visible fleetingly at two different points in the video being very close to the arresting officers. Now, as you can see, she wasn’t the only person venturing too close, as several other photographers would on occasion either purposely or accidentally find themselves at the front of the crowd. Even I got shoved forward several times, and thought myself in danger of being shoved back by the police. And to be perfectly frank, if a police officer had pushed me backwards during one of those moments where, through crowd dynamics or inattention, I found myself at the front of the pursuing crowd, then I would not have been surprised, nor would I have accused the police of brutality. Because the police felt they were in a very precarious situation, and the crowd was not obeying their commands.

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But Alicia Forrest (seen here at the lower left) was nearly always the most aggressive one of us. In this picture, even after being directly commanded many times to step back, she’s right in the face of an officer (Stewart, in fact, the one who moments later would knock her backwards), taking a picture of Carlo Garcia and yelling at the police to let him go free.

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The chase came to a brief halt as the police had to wait for the arrival of a vehicle to transport Garcia to be booked. In Old West style, the mounted police circled their horses around him and the arresting officers, in an attempt to keep the hostile crowd at bay.

This video shows the police horses walking in a circle.

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Garcia was screaming to the crowd that he was innocent. The police presence had by this time increased significantly.

Now we’re almost getting to the crucial part.

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The police vehicle arrived and Garcia was brought over to it. He was none too happy with the situation.

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They bundled him on to the vehicle...

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...as the swelling crowd swirled around and pressed forward.

The three photos below were taken by someone standing right near me during the melee. After both Garcia and Forrest had been later taken away, and I had seen that this photographer had captured a crucial moment, I approached him and offered to share photos with him, and we exchanged email addresses. The following day I sent him some of my photos, and he sent me these three, which I had requested. (The other photographer wishes to remain anonymous.)

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Here we see Alicia Forrest standing face-to-face with Officer Stewart, who had just told her (for the millionth time) to move away, and who puts up his baton to create a defensive wall, and to give her (this time) a gentle shove back.

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But Forrest simply would not obey him (nor any of the other officers). Instead of backing up, she actually leaned forward, and started taunting Officer Stewart even more aggressively. As seen in the photo above, he had just finished trying to push her backwards, using his baton, which Forrest didn’t like, so she dared him to “Fuckin’ do it again!” At that point, Officer Stewart simply lost his patience with this annoying gadfly who obviously felt her pink clothes rendered her immune to criticism or to police enforcement. It was moments after this photo was taken that the scene depicted in the Rocky Mountain News video took place.

Here’s the contextless video again. You can hear Forrest saying “Fuckin’ do it again!”, and then Stewart taking her up on her offer and saying “Back it up, bitch!” as he clonks her on the forehead or on the sunglasses, causing her to fall backwards. The “crack” you hear is not the sound of his baton on her skull, but rather that of her pink plastic bullhorn hitting the pavement and all its batteries falling out.

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At that point other photographers rushed over to document the scene. Officer Stewart can be seen maintaining his stance.

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Now we’re back to my photos. You can see the dropped bullhorn and its batteries scattered on the ground, as Forrest clutched her head.

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An instant later, another protester kneeled down to attend to her.

Now, pay close attention to the next three photos.

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He asked her if she was OK, and she started to get up.

It was at this point that all the other photographers either stopped taking pictures and videos, or more likely, stopped showing the world their imagery, because it didn’t convey the narrative that they wanted to tell (i.e. of Forrest as victim and the police as brutes).

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Because just seconds later, Forrest got up...

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..and walked away under her own power, apparently uninjured.

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Some time later, journalists had gathered around her and she was starting to spin what undoubtedly was going to be a lopsided version of what had happened, and it was then that the police finally detained her for interfering with another arrest (as shown in the second half of the Rocky Mountain News video and in this photo, taken from this site).



Now that you’ve seen the whole story, look at the original video again. You can see that the Rocky Mountain News, or at least “George Kochaniec,” the videographer named at the beginning, purposely cut off the film at the exact moment before Alicia Forrest got up off the ground and walked away, perfectly healthy. The only possible explanation is that the RMN didn’t want the public to see that part, since it didn’t convey the proper impression. And Kochaniec says he didn’t witness the earlier part of the melee, so one supposes he didn’t have a full record of Forrest’s misbehavior. Hence, the resulting video and article in the Rocky Mountain News lacked the necessary context.

I wasn’t sure this entire incident was even such a big deal, until I saw that it was getting traction all over the Internet. The YouTube video, as of this writing, already has 269,000 views; many blogs, such as this one, this one, and this one, among hundreds of others, portrayed Forrest as a wholly innocent victim, and Officer Stewart as a maniacal bully. (Only the Marco Chacon blog and the weekly paper Westword seemed to grasp that the RMN video must have left out all the context.)

(On the off-chance that the video ever gets taken down off of YouTube, you can also watch it here on LiveLeak.)

There were several mainstream media articles about this incident, too many to summarize here. Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! even had a short television report about the incident, naturally taking the anti-police position.

Officer Stewart is now reportedly under investigation, and the story continues to grow day by day. And yet everyone is working with only a small percentage of the necessary information, and they’re basing their actions and conclusions on the inherently deceptive Rocky Mountain News video, which served its intended purpose of discrediting the police.

After viewing the full story, what’s your opinion? Do you think Officer Stewart should be investigated or suspended? Do you think the Rocky Mountain News committed journalistic malfeasance? Either way, email the URL of this essay to the Rocky Mountain News, or the Denver Police “Independent Monitor”, or the Denver Post, or blog about it yourself.

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1 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:41:51pm

Woo-hoo!

2 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:43:05pm

Actually, I apologize to everyone for this report: it's admittedly on a pretty trivial incident, that no one outside of moonbat-land even cares about any more -- but I just couldn't sit on the exposé-worthy evidence and let another leftist lie go unchallenged.

3 vxbush  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:47:19pm

Absolutely, Zom. You put it down properly for all to see. Good job!

4 acwgusa  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:48:05pm

Code Pink and its MSM Lapdogs lie to make the police look bad? Shocking, I tell you! Shocking!

/Do I really need the sarc tag?

5 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:48:26pm

It's hilarious that Amy Goodman, whom I mocked as being the symbolic representation of "Truth" in the giant puppet parade that was being set up while this incident went down, was caught repeating a bald-faced lie about the incident itself! The puppet was within sight of the arrest.

Oh, the irony!

6 TheSpartan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:49:37pm

I see she plays soccer.

7 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:50:25pm

Oh boy, one of the local lawyer listserves I subscribe to just exploded about the preemptive RNC police raids yesterday. Oh the LLL hand wringing over the brutal Gestapo tactics of the evil police violating the poor, peaceful protesters civil rights!

So I just asked them about the buckets of urine that were confiscated. This ought to be fun.

/hey assholes, care to guess what they planned to use all that urine for?

8 Sgt.Slappy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:50:48pm

Gonzo journalism!

9 ebed_melech  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:51:04pm

Some important news from the UK on teachings in the women's cricle of a mosque set up originally to support community cohesion.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

10 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:52:35pm

re: #4 acwgusa

Code Pink and its MSM Lapdogs lie to make the police look bad? Shocking, I tell you! Shocking!

True, but in this instance it's very nice to have irrefutable documentary evidence of their deception.

I think that George Kochaniec is actually in one of photos, shown still videotaping her even after his tape ends in the posted video, proving that he chopped off the part showing she wasn't hurt. But I didn't point it out because I didn't walk to be seen as "stalking" him, whoever he is. For all I know, his editor did the video editing.

11 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:53:42pm

So are you saying that the left adapts the tactics of Hamas Agitprop Theater™, or are you saying that Hamas adapts the tactics of the leftists? I mean don't we see this exact hysteria after every Israeli action? Manufactured and exagerated wounds and injuries?

12 Price_of_Peace  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:54:28pm

I think you show clearly that the police showed controlled restraint under the circumstances. Good job showing the "rest of the story."

13 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:55:21pm
14 Sgt.Slappy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:55:21pm

Kermit journalism!

15 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:55:29pm

Zombie, with my dying breath, you would have my utmost respect.

This is as big as the Dan Rather memo, IMHO.

16 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:56:28pm

re: #5 zombie

We spent a lot of time debating what really happened in that clip. Thanks for setting the record straight.

17 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:58:00pm

And, as if had to say so, this is journalistic malfeasance of the highest order.
I have said often that news coverage is so damned bad that you could invert it 180 degrees and come out more accurate than the way the MSM reports it.

18 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:58:18pm

Excellent work. Thank you Zombie!

19 Northpaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:58:57pm

Thanks Zombie, your work does not go unappreciated!

20 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 3:58:59pm

Crowd control is about restraint. Defined as "restraining the aggressive types from doing any harm with the minimum level of necessary force."

Officer Stewart passed the test, IMHO. Forrest failed hers, miserably. (Not that I'm surprised.)

Anymore than I'm surprised at the MSM's attempt to spin this into another Rodney King incident. It will be interesting to see, in the coming days, if any of them have the intellectual honesty to admit that they tried to make a mountain out of a molehill.

As always, Well Done, Zombie.

cheers

eon

21 Former SSG  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:00:39pm

Zombie, you're terrific. Each little slanted bit of news needs to be dissected, every time, or the LLLs get away with their distortions. RMN is way out of line, and, if I was a cop I may have done the same thing.

22 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:00:40pm

...the footage may be edited, but the story is essentially true

23 ebed_melech  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:01:43pm

Looks interesting, Zombie, and cudos for your courage.
Sorry to not be on theme, but this is another story that should be read. Dutch SS convinced enough the US/Israel soon to strike to pull out of high level ops, ? by unmanned planes. I doubt it personally, but Iran may not.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

24 shibumi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:02:35pm

The Left absolutely amazes me at times- they do all they can to provoke and even harass the police (as in this case) but, when things get really out of hand, they are the first ones screaming for police protection. Hypocrites one and all.

All of which means I come down on the side of the officer in this case, and congratulate him on his utter restraint.

25 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:02:42pm

Great report, Zombie! Wish we could send it directly to Officer Stewart.

26 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:03:11pm

re: #15 rawmuse

This is as big as the Dan Rather memo, IMHO.

No way -- this is utterly trivial in comparison. No presidential election will hang in the balance. This is just yet another nail-in-the-coffin debunking of a very minor but very obvious MSM/leftist lie.

The title "Anatomy of a Video," in case anyone didn't get it, is a riff on my famous Anatomy of a Photograph essay, which is very similar to this.

27 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:03:19pm
28 angst  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:03:41pm

What an excellent bit of detective work. I hope you will send a link to this story to the Rocky Mountain News, the Denver Post and the Police Department.

What Stewart did was perfectly reasonable. Forrest acted just like a B-ball player who wants her opponent to get called on charging.

Not only that, if they hadn't kept the crowd back, the horses could have done a lot worse.

29 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:03:54pm

Zombs -- would you risk blowing your clandestine cover and testify on behalf of Office Stewart if necessary?

30 lifeofthemind  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:03:55pm

Good job zombie, Justice is a Lady who smiles when the innocent are exhonerated and the who does not exhult when the guilty are punished.

31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:04:05pm
32 paradox42  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:05:02pm

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

We'll take the Spruce Moose. C'mon hop in.

33 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:05:36pm
34 Justacanuck  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:07:04pm

Excellent work Agent Zombie!

Well done.

35 Sgt.Slappy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:07:06pm

Based on the young lady's schoolyard-ish "overacting" with being given a shove by the officer... I wonder if the police could start the old recess routine "I'm going to swing my arms around and walk over there, and if you get hit, it's not my fault." Protests just might be fun again. Pow! Whack! Biff! Zowie!

36 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:07:55pm
[T]he Rocky Mountain News in particular committed an act of media malfeasance by purposely posting on their site a deceptive video that left out all the context surrounding the incident.

And the Rocky is actually the more conservative of the two Denver papers, if you can believe that.

37 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:08:21pm

re: #22 spidly

...the footage may be edited, but the story is essentially true

The "story" is being spun that the Code Pinker was the victim of an unwarranted assault by a police officer. That, in fact, was not true. She totally was asking for it -- had been asking for it for 15 minutes straight -- and his "blow" to her didn't really injure her at all -- it looked and sounded much worse than it was.

Check out this first comment on the Alex Jones site about the policeman:

Well……. got his face? ID him. FInd out where he lives………hehehehe Make it public so he is ostrasized even by his neighbors.

Oh, and the ‘commander’ who grabbed her by the arm and took her off while being interviewed by the press? ID Him to. Same thing. We can plaster thier names all over the internet as Abusive Men…….. Women Beaters and Abusers. Get a public restrianing order on them……they cant be within 1,000 ft of any female for a year.

That is how the left is treating this.

38 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:08:35pm

re: #26 zombie

No presidential election will hang in the balance. .

Oh, really? Every little bit helps.

39 Karridine  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:09:34pm

Kudos, Zomboid One!

Wish I'd been there, but you did just fine! :D

40 paradox42  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:09:56pm

Seriously, I don't think I could be a cop. I don't do well with people shouting in my face and I wouldn't have been nearly as nice as Officer Stewart was. No way should he get in trouble for this.

41 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:09:56pm

re: #25 Pvt Bin Jammin

Great report, Zombie! Wish we could send it directly to Officer Stewart.

Good idea. Someone, please send it to the Denver police. Link at the end of the report. Say it is to be forwarded to Officer Stewart.

42 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:11pm

re: #35 Sgt.Slappy

Based on the young lady's schoolyard-ish "overacting" with being given a shove by the officer... I wonder if the police could start the old recess routine "I'm going to swing my arms around and walk over there, and if you get hit, it's not my fault." Protests just might be fun again. Pow! Whack! Biff! Zowie!

And don't forget the Bat dance with that!

43 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:14pm

No investigation, no censure, no nothing. Officer Stewart did his job exactly as I would expect all police to. There's a point at which taunting police becomes incitement in scenes like this, and that was clearly what the CP'er was trying to do. She just expected the pink to protect her or something.

44 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:15pm

re: #35 Sgt.Slappy

she's been watching too much NBA

45 Edward Halper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:28pm

Thanks, Zombie. Good work.

And it all started when they attempted to limit the free speech of the preachers. How can these people imagine that they are championing human rights?

46 Idle Drifter  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:36pm

In today's context the truth is often at the bottom of the sea of misinformation.

47 Jimmy the Notable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:10:57pm

Thanks for this, zombie. I'm so sick of seeing anti-police story after anti-police story completely devoid of context and just seeking to demonize the police as stormtroopers hyped up on testosterone, adrenaline and steroids.

Its great to FINALLY see the other side of the story. Unfortunately, there are remarkably too few "journalists" out there like you who are willing to report on the truth of an even, rather than a spin. I think you, without a doubt, have the most exposure of anyone with as much integrity.

48 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:11:09pm

re: #28 angst

What an excellent bit of detective work. I hope you will send a link to this story to the Rocky Mountain News, the Denver Post and the Police Department.

It's up to you to send it. The links are all provided at the end of the report.

49 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:11:53pm

re: #20 eon

Crowd control is about restraint. Defined as "restraining the aggressive types from doing any harm with the minimum level of necessary force."

Officer Stewart passed the test, IMHO. Forrest failed hers, miserably. (Not that I'm surprised.)

Anymore than I'm surprised at the MSM's attempt to spin this into another Rodney King incident. It will be interesting to see, in the coming days, if any of them have the intellectual honesty to admit that they tried to make a mountain out of a molehill.

As always, Well Done, Zombie.

cheers

eon

I don't know how the officer could have done anything differently. If the cops had allowed the crowd to get the upper hand, everyone there would have been in danger of being harmed in the chaos and panic that would have ensued.

Cops have a thankless job.

50 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:12:16pm

re: #41 zombie

I'll be happy to do it.

51 Jimmy the Notable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:12:25pm

Also, her taunt of "Do it again" was certainly so that she was hoping he would touch her so she could flop around like a fish and make a scene.

52 little blessing  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:12:43pm

re: #36 StinkHammer

I can't believe the Rocky is behind this. I always preferred it to the Post. Something must have changed since I left home.

53 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:12:45pm

re: #29 StinkHammer

Zombs -- would you risk blowing your clandestine cover and testify on behalf of Office Stewart if necessary?

Good question. I really don't think it will come to that, though. No way the Denver Police are going to actually punish him for driving her back. After all, five minutes later they arrested her for interfering with police business.

54 Jimmy the Notable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:06pm

re: #41 zombie

Good idea. Someone, please send it to the Denver police. Link at the end of the report. Say it is to be forwarded to Officer Stewart.

I'm going to send it and I hope a hundred more people do, too.

55 SummerSong  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:13pm

re: #2 zombie

The truth isn't trivial.

Thank you for this report.

56 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:15pm

re: #45 Edward Halper

Thanks, Zombie. Good work.

And it all started when they attempted to limit the free speech of the preachers. How can these people imagine that they are championing human rights?

they ruined a perfectly good opportunity to leave the preachers to be stupid and tie them to the GOP... but that would mean they would not have been the center of attention

57 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:34pm

When you consider that the news media are about 99 percent in the bag for Obama, I think that every effort should be made to expose them as the lying and treasonous sacks that they are.

58 cardiacmont  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:36pm

In terms of being important or not, it's very important. Not necessarily important in terms of presidential elections, but important in showing that our police are not a bunch of bungling means spirited "Bushilter" types.

When law and order is broken to the point that regular Americans can no longer trust the police to be just, evenhanded, and fair then this country will have reached the point from which there is no returning.

This is VERY imporant.

59 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:13:48pm

re: #44 spidly

she's been watching too much NBA

She thinks she's a trash-talking small forward?

/wouldn't surprise me, actually


cheers

eon

60 Jimmy the Notable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:15:05pm

I got to this page:
http://www.denvergov.org/Police/PoliceDepartmentHo mePage/ContactUs/tabid/392276/Default.aspx

And there's a link on the side for "Police Complaints and Commendations." I think that that might be the appropriate place to send it.

61 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:15:42pm

re: #51 Jimmy the Notable

Also, her taunt of "Do it again" was certainly so that she was hoping he would touch her so she could flop around like a fish and make a scene.

Bingo.

62 kafir  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:15:42pm

holy feces batman!

What ... do leftards everywhere think they are above the law?

Must be. Otherwise they wouldn't act like they were part of the nomenklatur of soviet times.

Hey leftards, please, leave. Now. Stop trying to take away our rights to speak freely. Leave for countries that agree with your policy. Like any communist or proundly socialist klepto-thugocracy.

You have the right to be a schmuck, but you cannot deny me my right to point out that you are a schmuck.

63 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:16:33pm

re: #41 zombie

Good idea. Someone, please send it to the Denver police. Link at the end of the report. Say it is to be forwarded to Officer Stewart.

Is it the Denver Police Independent Monitor Link?

64 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:16:36pm
65 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:17:07pm

re: #63 Pvt Bin Jammin

Is it the Denver Police Independent Monitor Link?

yes.

66 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:17:25pm

re: #60 Jimmy the Notable

Thanks. I'm on the site already.

67 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:17:25pm

The important thing here isn't really the code pink action or distortion, that's to be accepted. The important thing is the malfeasance of the media covering the event, and their willingness to assist Code Pink in blowing this out of proportion. It didn't bite and gain traction, but they tried as hard as they could.

68 yesandno  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:17:56pm

Hell of a job, Zombie...

And thank goodness you stayed safe after all that went on around you, to you....a picture is worth a thousand words only if gets out to the public.

Kudos for the telling of truth and a job well done..

69 outsidephilly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:18:06pm

re: #41 zombie

Good idea. Someone, please send it to the Denver police. Link at the end of the report. Say it is to be forwarded to Officer Stewart.

Thank you Zombie for taking the time to piece all of this together. My son is a police officer; the news media can either make or break the careers of these public servants . . . .

70 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:18:15pm

/pimf "accepted==expected" sorry on the phone here.

71 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:18:22pm

re: #59 eon

sure pops up after the photo op like she's been given 2 free throws.

72 rain of lead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:18:23pm

Hmmmm.... just went to denver pd website did not see a way to contact
maybe I missed it
anyone else want to give it a shot?

73 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:18:55pm

re: #52 little blessing

I can't believe the Rocky is behind this. I always preferred it to the Post. Something must have changed since I left home.

Well, the Rocky's conservatism is confined to its Editorial pages. News-wise, they're just as leftward-leaning as the Post.

They are, after all, owned by the same company.

74 Gozer The Carpathian  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:19:11pm

Once again it is up to Zombie and the Pajama's Media team to scoop the media. While it's not an "earthshaking" story it is yet another story that shows the spin in news media today.

75 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:19:49pm

re: #67 Thanos

The important thing here isn't really the code pink action or distortion, that's to be accepted. The important thing is the malfeasance of the media covering the event, and their willingness to assist Code Pink in blowing this out of proportion. It didn't bite and gain traction, but they tried as hard as they could.

Yes, that is exactly my point.

I saw Code Pink all over Denver, endlessly trying idiotic antics, always trying to rile up the police (as seen in my EMILY's List report). But this was the only incident that got any traction, solely because a media outlet promoted it. Without the Rocky Mountain News's boost, that would have never risen from random obscurity.

76 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:21:00pm

The truth always hurts for a moonbat. Can't believe they are still carrying this on, but the have habits of displaying this sort of behavior, like the trufers, Paulians, etc.

77 doppelganglander  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:21:24pm

Citizen photojournalism at its finest. Thanks, zombie.

78 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:21:25pm

re: #72 rain of lead

Hmmmm.... just went to denver pd website did not see a way to contact
maybe I missed it
anyone else want to give it a shot?

Look at the end of my report. I have the info there.

This is the email address of the Denver Police "Office of the Independent Monitor," i.e. the internal affairs department:

oim@denvergov.org

79 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:22:01pm

I'm very happy that Zombie and others like him are out there, when the media window is narrowed to one funnel lies become the accepted truth. Examples:

Al Dura
The Ambulance
The smoke
The missiles

Look how long it took to get the truth out about Al Dura, that's why it's important to put the countering facts out always Zombie, so don't downplay this please -- you did great.

80 rain of lead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:22:07pm

wow got quiet all of a sudden
guess everyone's filling out reports.
wonder if we'll crash their server?

81 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:23:10pm

i hope you sent the photo's to the police. wonder why she wasn't arrested to begin with.

82 Jimmy the Notable  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:23:35pm

I filed the report and threatened never to visit Denver if Officer Stewart is subject to any disciplinary action.

83 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:23:56pm

re: #62 kafir

holy feces batman!

What ... do leftards everywhere think they are above the law?

Must be. Otherwise they wouldn't act like they were part of the nomenklatur of soviet times.

Hey leftards, please, leave. Now. Stop trying to take away our rights to speak freely. Leave for countries that agree with your policy. Like any communist or proundly socialist klepto-thugocracy.

You have the right to be a schmuck, but you cannot deny me my right to point out that you are a schmuck.

It reminds me of a couple of quotes from waaayy back when.


The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously.

You have the right to free speech. You do not have the right to make others listen to you. Nor do you have the right to prevent them from telling you when you've said something stupid.

-Hubert Humphrey, IIRC

/one of the few post-WW II era liberals I still retain any respect for, along with Harry Truman and Ike

cheers

eon

84 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:24:04pm

Isn't what she is doing called "incitement"?
I would think so.

85 rain of lead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:24:39pm

re: #82 Jimmy the Notable

I filed the report and threatened never to visit Denver if Officer Stewart is subject to any disciplinary action.

be nice,be polite we are not like the moonbats

86 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:24:58pm
87 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:25:12pm

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

Mr. Burns: Let's go back to the nuclear plant.

Smithers: What about the jars of urine, sir?

Mr. Burns: Oh, we'll hang on to those.

I just got a reply. According to someone par phrasing the protesters' lawyer, it was just buckets of "gray water" and if it was urine, they didn't have a working toilet in the house, see?

/he did admit that the police also found homemade "stop sticks" which, as I posted earlier, are turning up on Metro freeways

88 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:25:38pm

The woman obviously suffered brain trauma -- before she joined Code Pink.

89 cardiacmont  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:27:21pm

Speaking of anarchists and riots and political conventions. I just saw this: Authorities seize weapons, equipment and urine in pre-RNC raids; 5 arrested

Authorities staged raids Friday night and Saturday on several locations where Republican National Convention demonstrators and protesters have been meeting, seizing a dizzying array of items, including a machete, a hatchet, throwing knives, axes, bolt cutters, equipment used in rappelling – and three 5-gallon buckets of urine.

The Ramsey County sheriff’s office reported Saturday afternoon that search warrants were executed Saturday morning at three Minneapolis homes: 2301 23rd Ave. S. (described by protesters as the “Minneapolis Food Not Bombs house”), 3500 Harriet Ave. and 3240 17th Ave. S.


Food not bombs? Quite a diet they have.

90 Perry  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:28:24pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey
Powerful post.

91 Cognito  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:28:38pm

(As a preface: I hope everybody takes this post in the dialectical spirit in which I offer it. This is an interesting case, and I've not made up my mind yet, so I look forward to smarter people than me weighing in.)

Great report Zombie, and remarkably serendipitous.

After viewing the full story, what’s your opinion? Do you think Officer Stewart should be investigated or suspended? Do you think the Rocky Mountain News committed journalistic malfeasance?

Should there be an investigation?
- I do think the officer -- or at least the incident -- should be investigated, because the results of the examination will be edifying, either way. Clearly I'm not alone in that -- the City of Denver feels likewise.

Should he be suspended?
- Only a fool would answer that before the investigation. The more answerable question, I suppose, is whether he may have used excessive force. He pretty clearly gives her a good solid smack with the baton, which I think leaps several rungs up the vaunted "escalation of force" police follow on the street.

The scale puts forth several criteria:

Is the officer in imminent danger? I think that, despite this woman's obvious idiocy and lack of the commonest sense, it's hard to argue that she offered any real physical threat to the officer. She held no weapon, and even her wit was clearly not cutting sharp.

Is the officer injured or exhausted? There's been no word of injury, and again, it's tough to argue that this guy is exhausted. Maybe in the sense that he had worked a long day, but not in the sense the scale intends.

Was there a sudden assault? The woman was obviously gettin' up in his face, but the "sudden assault" question deals with thrown punches, the appearance of a weapon, and so forth.

Bearing all that in mind, I think the officer wasn't acting with control, ratcheting up the scale of force that even junior police understand. I think he was acting in anger, which speaks to a lack of control. That's evidenced by his own words: "Back it up, bitch."

Now none of that really means anything. I don't know the fullness of the circumstances, even with Zombie's fine report. Was the officer indeed injured or exhausted? Was there some other trigger -- a suspected weapon, for instance -- that we've not heard about? I'll have to trust the City of Denver to do a more thorough, wiser job than I can do from a distance.

Do you think the Rocky Mountain News committed journalistic malfeasance?

Certainly not. Or at least, not yet. Malfeasance would mean the Rocky cut down the video to make it appear as something other than truth -- did they do that? Or did the video come to them as is?

The bar the Rocky must meet is not so high as we might wish: A perfectly tidy scenario, viewed from multiple angles and preemptively investigated by the city. But rather the bar is necessarily low: Hey, something happened. Here it is.

If it turns out the Rocky did edit the video with an eye toward deceit, then yes, it's an absolute malfeasance.

Group hug.

92 sngnsgt  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:28:58pm

And the Academy Award goes to...

93 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:29:32pm

I must again urge the use of the Pepperball TAC-700

94 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:29:58pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Masterful response to a comment that would have otherwise slipped through the cracks!

95 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:30:01pm

OT

Iran rattling the nuclear saber

Iran Commander Warns Attack Would Spark World War

Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:01 PM

Article Font Size

One of Iran's top military commanders warns any attack against Iran would start a new world war.

Iranian state media reported the comments by Brigadier General Masoud Jazayeri Saturday.

General Jazayeri says unrestrained greed of the United States and Zionism are pushing the world to "the edge of a precipice."

He warned, in the case of an attack, "fake and artificial regimes" would be the first to be eliminated.

Iran and the United States have been at odds over Iran's nuclear program. Iran says its atomic program is for peaceful purposes but the U.S. and its allies accuse Iran of working to develop a nuclear weapon.

Israel has said a nuclear-armed Iran could threaten its existence. The Israeli air force carried out a large-scale exercise in June that was interpreted by many as a rehearsal for a possible attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

The United Nations has also sanctioned Iran three times because of its failure to comply with Security Council orders to halt uranium enrichment.

Highly enriched uranium can be used to make nuclear weapons.

Deputy Foreign Minister Ali Reza Sheik Attar told Iranian state media Friday the country now has 4,000 working nuclear centrifuges. He also said another 3,000 centrifuges will soon be installed at Iran's main nuclear site in Natanz.

The centrifuges could significantly boost Iran's ability to produce enriched uranium.

LINK

96 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:31:10pm

Good job. I hope Denver PD internal affairs (or whoever is investigating this) sees this report. It's clear the Code Pinko wanted an incident and was doing all she could to provoke one. She got what she asked for, and shouldn't be rewarded for it.

97 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:32:02pm

re: #53 zombie

Good question. I really don't think it will come to that, though. No way the Denver Police are going to actually punish him for driving her back. After all, five minutes later they arrested her for interfering with police business.

He will at least get a scolding for addressing her as "bitch." Even if she did deserve it.

I'll forward it.

98 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:32:23pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

John Doone said:

"Don't ask for your rights. Take them. And don't let anyone give them to ye."

99 swamprat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:07pm

Ok, Alicia Forrester took a pretty good hit. That being said, the tactic is very simple; law enforcement is harassed in such a way as to be seen, or (even better) to act, as an oppressive entity. This is done to make the general population dislike their own government. Along with this, the police are dehumanized by constantly referring to them with alienating nomenclature. The icing on the cake is to act, dress, and speak differently than the "power holders". ...What I have just described is the 60's hippie movement. Americans generally do not refer to blocks of people as "pigs"......but the Chinese do. The hippie movement died when the draft ended and the commies started killing their own citizens by the millions. The strategy of overthrow however is still being attempted. The protocols are well understood by the deep left. Those abetting these actions are hoping for crumbs to fall from the trough, or have their own agendas......like selling papers, or getting re-elected. Many of these people know exactly what they are doing.

100 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:15pm

re: #37 zombie

And that is downright scary.

101 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:15pm
102 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:32pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Good post. I've always been suspicious of the term "human rights" -- it implies some codified listing (such as the Bill of Rights) of entitlements which apply to all humans in all countries on the planet. In reality it is a vague, nebulous, idealistic concept to which lefties like to appeal in order to assert their self-identified alignment with superior morality.

103 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:44pm

re: #91 Cognito

Malfeasance would mean the Rocky cut down the video to make it appear as something other than truth -- did they do that? Or did the video come to them as is?

I think they did indeed crop down the video. George kept filming - - he just later lopped off the inconvenient part.

104 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:33:54pm

I just sent the link to the Denver PD, to be forwarded to Officer Stewart and also thanked the PD for a job well done.

105 outsidephilly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:34:19pm

I just called Denver's non-emergency number, 720-913-2000. I referred LGF's website to the dispatcher for follow-up by Denver's police chief regarding this incident recorded by Zombie.

106 seekeroftruth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:34:21pm
...Rocky Mountain News in particular committed an act of media malfeasance by purposely posting on their site a deceptive video that left out all the context surrounding the incident. Furthermore, many blogs jumped on the story and trumpeted it as evidence of police misbehavior, when in fact there was no misbehavior at all.

Thank you Zombie for setting the record straight. I am sick and tired of watching the media promote a tiny piece of a larger video to sway public opinion in one direction. We had a member of the media doing the exact same thing on this blog on this particular story as well. Thank for your report and for setting the record straight. It really is an act of media malfeasance.

107 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:34:38pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Excellently put. You have my respect. And my very first upding.

cheers

eon

108 Cognito  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:34:43pm

re: #103 zombie

I think they did indeed crop down the video. George kept filming - - he just later lopped off the inconvenient part.

I'm not entirely clear who he is -- does he work for the Rocky, or was he a stander-arounder?

109 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:35:03pm

re: #98 Ojoe

or Robert Burns said that

110 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:36:08pm

in soviet union you don't have human rights HUMAN RIGHTS HAS YOU.

111 Cognito  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:36:41pm

Got to run out for a moment. Look forward to further discussion in a bit.

112 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:36:42pm

re: #108 Cognito

I'm not entirely clear who he is -- does he work for the Rocky, or was he a stander-arounder?

I think he works for the RMN.

113 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:36:51pm

re: #91 Cognito

A well-thought-out post. I won't be blitzing you.

114 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:36:55pm

re: #97 Dianna

He will at least get a scolding for addressing her as "bitch." Even if she did deserve it.

I'll forward it.

he must explain that he actually said 'bee-atch' which is a term of endearment. He would have called her 'ho' if he knew her better.

115 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:37:11pm

I would remind the readers that Alicia Forrester is behaving in precisely the provocative manner that Code Pink (and other groups) instructs its people to act. They hold classes on how to do it, how to feign injury, how to insult the police,
in short, how to manufacture an incident of police brutality.

This is no big secret, people

116 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:37:39pm

re: #2 zombie

Actually, I apologize to everyone for this report: it's admittedly on a pretty trivial incident, that no one outside of moonbat-land even cares about any more -- but I just couldn't sit on the exposé-worthy evidence and let another leftist lie go unchallenged.

I beg to differ Z...It's far from trivial. Your great work exposes the massive amount of "little lies" the MSM perpetrates every day.

117 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:37:57pm

re: #115 rawmuse

I would remind the readers that Alicia Forrester is behaving in precisely the provocative manner that Code Pink (and other groups) instructs its people to act. They hold classes on how to do it, how to feign injury, how to insult the police,
in short, how to manufacture an incident of police brutality.

This is no big secret, people

I know. I'll been to a Code Pink training class. You hit the nail right on the head.

118 shlomzie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:38:22pm

While I agree with the criticism of the press, who deliberately conveyed a false impression, I would not be so quick to exonerate Officer Stewart.
The guy was taunted -- she wanted him to react, and he fell for it.
True, I would have done the same, but I'm not a police officer. Presumably, these guys are trained a lot in the exercise of self-restraint, and what they faced here was not so unusual in their line of work. I don't think most of the officers there would have acted as Stewart did -- calling her a bitch and hitting her needlessly in response to her taunting. But this guy was either less experienced or had a short fuse, and I bet he got told off by his superiors because of it.
High school teachers have to stay calm in similar situations. If they cannot, they get reprimanded. And if it happens too often, they should find a different job.

119 winston06  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:38:27pm

great reporting

120 Paul  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:39:07pm

The Left always needs a martyr, if necessary, they'll manufacture one.
Sometime with the connivance of the MSM.

Thank God for zombie and a few other brave souls who are not intimidated by the lies, threats and outright thuggery of the Left.

Zombie, stay safe and stay anonymous.

121 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:39:16pm

re: #117 zombie

And I have been to Police classes on how to counter them.

122 daddyo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:39:46pm

On Dec-31-1984 near Times Square a NY cop "gently" jabbed me in the ribs 'cause I ignored his request to "move along". I'm grateful I wasn't arrested.

123 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:40:00pm

Zombie,

How on earth do you keep putting together these superb reports? Many thanks for this latest one.

(BTW, did you get the email I sent you yesterday?)

124 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:40:14pm

"back it up, bee-atch" would sound very friendly in some circles.

maybe he'll get scolded for sexual harassment.

125 seekeroftruth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:40:17pm

re: #115 rawmuse

I would remind the readers that Alicia Forrester is behaving in precisely the provocative manner that Code Pink (and other groups) instructs its people to act. They hold classes on how to do it, how to feign injury, how to insult the police,
in short, how to manufacture an incident of police brutality.

This is no big secret, people

Many people do not know that Code Pink instructs their people how to act. They only see the small little news clip over and over again. The MSM does not fairly report the actions of Code Pink and others. They leave that part out.

126 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:41:09pm

I saw that the Recreate 68 guy (later identified as Carlo Garcia) had been confrontational and threatened to remove the Christians himself, because he didn’t like what they were saying

Showing once again that it is the Left who threaten violence and act upon it. Liberal Facism is alive!

127 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:41:32pm

re: #118 shlomzie

While I agree with the criticism of the press, who deliberately conveyed a false impression, I would not be so quick to exonerate Officer Stewart.
The guy was taunted -- she wanted him to react, and he fell for it.
True, I would have done the same, but I'm not a police officer. Presumably, these guys are trained a lot in the exercise of self-restraint, and what they faced here was not so unusual in their line of work. I don't think most of the officers there would have acted as Stewart did -- calling her a bitch and hitting her needlessly in response to her taunting. But this guy was either less experienced or had a short fuse, and I bet he got told off by his superiors because of it.
High school teachers have to stay calm in similar situations. If they cannot, they get reprimanded. And if it happens too often, they should find a different job.

I strongly disagree. The Officer reacted with great restraint in a chaotic, dangerous, threatening situation.

128 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:42:17pm

It's getting to the point where we cannot trust the mainstream media. Any of it.

Great work Zombie.

129 AmeriDan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:42:20pm

Great job Zombie.

I don't know about you folks but it warms my heart to see the last part. She deserved to be jerked away- and into the police line- at her moment of glory in front of a reporter to tell of her "abuse".

The look on her face is priceless.

Again, good job Zombie.

130 little blessing  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:42:21pm

re: #122 daddyo

Did you goad him? Did you continue to provoke him? Was the situation investigated?

Just Curious.

131 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:42:26pm

re: #89 cardiacmont

Not "Food Not Bombs"! Agh! I really don't like them.

They used to be the group in the world I hated worst - they nearly got my innocent head cracked back in the late '80's. I'd gone to Union Square to see what they were up to, bringing a can of food. They got everyone riled up, then their leadership made a quiet getaway. While a bunch of excitable liberals were trying to annoy the police into hurting us (and it was purely because they were over-excited - some people act like they're suffering a contact high in a crowd, these were not hard-core socialists or anything like it), and I was stuck, wedged in, I saw the "leaders" hot-footing it away, and started yelling about it. Channel 2 news actually turned their cameras on them, and showed it on the nightly news.

Those people have gone. But the group remains.

They feed the "homeless" on vegetarian fare. The homeless then proceed to get the runs. There are alleys South of Market that are utterly disgusting after "Food Not Bombs" has shown their compassion.

132 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:43:05pm

Simple. When a police officer tells you to move, you move.

133 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:44:03pm

re: #116 ted

I beg to differ Z...It's far from trivial. Your great work exposes the massive amount of "little lies" the MSM perpetrates every day.

The Big Lie technique is really unnecessary; a large number of little lies are just as effective, and harder to refute.

Unfortunately, the militant cacotopians of the left figured this out a long time ago.

/cacotopia- dystopia resulting from an attempt to create a utopia by force or fiat

/utopia- from the Greek; actually means "no place"

cheers

eon

134 Irish Rose  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:44:19pm

Zombie, this is an awesome expose.
I hope that you've turned this evidence over to the Denver PD.

Are you getting any emails about this from the rabid left yet?

135 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:44:40pm

My father was on the other side of this argument. He's been the cop with the stick. So clearly my loyalty lies there.

Those hippies are there because they care about whatever subject is being debated, to the point of being crazed fanatics, but they care. The police are there because it is their job. They have wives, husbands, and children and don't want to die or end up in the hospital over whatever subject they're fighting over.

136 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:44:44pm

re: #127 ted

I strongly disagree. The Officer reacted with great restraint in a chaotic, dangerous, threatening situation.

I'm with you.

137 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:45:09pm

re: #108 Cognito

I don't think zombie can answer that. Perhaps you ought to forward those as questions for the Rocky Mountain News?

138 USA  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:45:29pm
139 Kulhwch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:45:40pm

Excellent work, Zombie.  And great sleuthing, too.

}:)     [You don't happen to be a mild-mannered reporter at a small metropolitan paper, do you?]

140 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:46:14pm

re: #126 solomonpanting

I saw that the Recreate 68 guy (later identified as Carlo Garcia) had been confrontational and threatened to remove the Christians himself, because he didn’t like what they were saying

Showing once again that it is the Left who threaten violence and act upon it. Liberal Facism is alive!

Actually, the violence part is pure Fascism (as part of a militaristic credo) -- Liberal Fascism is the kind which seeks to impose totalitarianism via non-violent actions (think food Nazis banning transfats in NY). Hence, the moustachioed smiley face on Goldberg's Liberal Fascism tome.

/Not to be too pedantic about it....

141 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:46:48pm

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

Warning !
NSFW And Kiddies!
Strong Language!

142 Siscoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:46:48pm

Sorry - can't feel sorry for this idiot or any of the other moonbats who got arrested. Kudos to that officer - had it been me, I probably wouldn't have been able hold out for much longer.

143 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:46:49pm

They point about this lying media behavior, is this.

We've caught them lying, more than once.

So, the credibility of their entire product is, at the very least, suspect.

In this world, there are the people you can trust, and then,

there is everyone else.

144 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:47:04pm

re: #135 Silhouette

My father was on the other side of this argument. He's been the cop with the stick. So clearly my loyalty lies there.

Those hippies are there because they care about whatever subject is being debated, to the point of being crazed fanatics, but they care. The police are there because it is their job. They have wives, husbands, and children and don't want to die or end up in the hospital over whatever subject they're fighting over.

The cops have a thankless job. They cannot allow things to get out of hand - that poses a danger to everyone. To have taken being taunted for many minutes shows, to me, that this cop has received appropriate training, and when he thought he needed to take action, he did. I'm with you on this.

145 Irish Rose  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:47:30pm

Can I use the "c" word here?

No?

Pity.

146 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:47:58pm

re: #133 eon

True.

147 daddyo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:48:16pm

re: #130 little blessing

Did you goad him? Did you continue to provoke him? Was the situation investigated?

Just Curious.


I didn't provoke or goad the cop. And I wasn't creating a scene, although I was drunk. If I'd listened to him in the first place I wouldn't have been hit.
And it wasn't bad. Better to start the new year with some bruises, than a mugshot.

148 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:48:21pm

re: #141 ted

Yeah, I love that skit -- cracks me up.

149 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:48:28pm

re: #136 reine.de.tout

I'm with you.

Thx.

150 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:48:51pm

re: #148 StinkHammer

Yeah, I love that skit -- cracks me up.

Great stuff.

151 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:48:57pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

The cops have a thankless job. They cannot allow things to get out of hand - that poses a danger to everyone. To have taken being taunted for many minutes shows, to me, that this cop has received appropriate training, and when he thought he needed to take action, he did. I'm with you on this.

It takes a certain amount of aggression to keep drum circles from forming. once that happens, it's all over

152 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:49:07pm

re: #141 ted

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

Warning !
NSFW And Kiddies!
Strong Language!

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thank you!

I've been trying to link that, but my cut-and-paste won't work.

153 europhobe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:50:31pm

Cognito: You stated the other night "she was definitely injured". On what basis did you say that and what have you to say now? Other than I'm sorry.

154 Colonel Panik  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:51:11pm

re: #131 Dianna


They feed the "homeless" on vegetarian fare. The homeless then proceed to get the runs. There are alleys South of Market that are utterly disgusting after "Food Not Bombs" has shown their compassion.

You mean they are not giving the "homeless" their minimum daily requirement of fiber?

155 swamprat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:51:15pm

re: #117 zombie

I know. I'll been to a Code Pink training class. You hit the nail right on the head.

Was it this one? ....loads slow

156 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:51:48pm

re: #131 Dianna

Yes, they're like the punk/crusty version of the Diggers -- moonbat-Left agitators hiding behind ostensible (and totally unregulated) "community service." Unlike legitimate charitable groups, they never tie their relief efforts to personal improvement, job training, etc. of the affected groups. Why sober up, find God, and/or try to get work or housing? --it's The Man's* fault that you're on the streets, so Fight the Power, Comrade!

*The Man -- leftist-speak that means, "any White person with a job other than barista, bike messenger, or 'sex worker'."

157 Thanos  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:51:51pm

Stewart wasn't over the top. Considering her alone in isolation from the crowd might seem to be the objective thing to do, but it's not. The police must also gage whether her actions and constant movement past the limits and her constant "in your face" challenging was encouraging the crowd to do the same. I seriously doubt that Stewart actually pushed her hard enough to fall down without some feigning on her part. It was only slightly more forceful than the previous push.

158 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:52:16pm

re: #145 Irish Rose

Can I use the "c" word here?

No?

Pity.

No, because her being a jerk is not connected to accidents of birth. She'd be a jerk with XX or XY.

159 noshariaincanada  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:52:32pm

zombie you're doing great work, and I really hope it gets recognized beyond this den of lizards.

160 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:53:47pm

re: #152 Silhouette

Thank you!

I've been trying to link that, but my cut-and-paste won't work.

NP !

161 little blessing  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:53:55pm

re: #127 ted

I'm with you, Ted. If you look at the pictures you can see that the other police officers have not intervened. They barely spare her a glance. Now if there was really a case of inappropriate behaviour don't you think some of the other officers would have got involved?

The only fault I can find with Officer Stewart is his name calling. Whilst it may be true, police need to act with respect even whilst enforcing the law.

re: #147 daddyo

Just as I thought. The only reason this is going to be pursued is because of the media attention and the lefty lunatics.

162 Colonel Panik  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:54:00pm

re: #151 spidly

It takes a certain amount of aggression to keep drum circles from forming. once that happens, it's all over

G_dD_mn Hippies!

If you don't get rid of your Giggling Stoners and your Drum Circle hippies, they will attract something much worse. The College Know-It-All hippies.

163 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:55:09pm

re: #156 mikalm

Yes, they're like the punk/crusty version of the Diggers .

Wow, a Diggers reference -- I haven't heard that term for years. Nice one.

164 Irish Rose  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:55:21pm

re: #141 ted

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

Warning !
NSFW And Kiddies!
Strong Language!

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Now that's funny ;).

165 daddyo  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:57:35pm

re: #147 daddyo

The only reason this is going to be pursued is because of the media attention and the lefty lunatics.


Well at least we can thank goodness for Zombie

166 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:57:47pm

re: #154 Colonel Panik

They only feed the homeless (and the only reason I'm not enclosing that in scare quotes is because there's no point to irony) about once a month. The homeless usually subsist on...how shall I put this?...a less than balanced diet. Even if they eat at St. Anthony or St. Vincent de Paul or one of the other shelters, they don't seem to do it often.

The sad thing is, FNB have a bunch of rather sweet, clueless people who just want to help others working with them. It drives me slightly mad. They ask, constantly, "But what's wrong with feeding people?"

167 paradox42  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:58:46pm

re: #162 Colonel Panik

I know how to deal with hippies.

Slayer!

168 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:58:55pm

re: #156 mikalm

I know. Oh, I know!

My detestation of FNB cannot be plumbed by normal means.

169 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:59:12pm

'Scuse me if you've already seen this, I haven't had time to read all the threads today:

Sarah Palin's brain is three times the size of Joe Biden's. It's science.([Link: www.palinfacts.com)...]

Sarah Palin used to wrestle kodiak bears in Alaskan bare knuckles fight clubs.

Sarah Palin once bagged a caribou by staring it down until it died.

Sarah Palin turned down a job as skipper of a Deadliest Catch boat because it wasn't challenging enough

Sarah Palin fishes salmon by convincing them it's in their interest to jump into the boat.

Sarah Palin once guided Santa's sleigh through an Alaskan blizzard with the light from her smile.

Chuck Norris wishes he was Sarah Palin trapped in a man's body.

Sarah Palin paid her way through school by hunting for yeti pelts with a slingshot.

Sarah Palin knows the location of DB Cooper's body because she threw him from the plane.

The Northern Lights are really just the reflection from Sarah Palin's eys.

The raw energy of Sarah Palin melts the Alaskan ice roads every spring.

We don't know who would win in a Chuck Norris - Sarah Palin cage match because they've never inventea cage that can hold Sarah Palin.

Alaska is the 49th state solely because they knew even before she was born that Sarah Palin would never finish last.

Global Warming doesn't kill polar bears. Sarah Palin does - usually with her bare hands.

Three of Sarah Palin's five kids came out sideways - she never flinched.

Sarah Palin's hotness is the largest single contributor to melting polar ice caps.

It's not raining in DC. Those are God's tears of joy that McCain picked Sarah Palin.

We don't know who would win in a Chuck Norris - Sarah Palin cage match bcause they've never invented a cage that can hold Sarah Palin

170 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:59:36pm
171 ted  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:59:37pm

The Real Deal.

Don't mess with Russian Police

172 Cognito  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:59:46pm

re: #153 europhobe

Cognito: You stated the other night "she was definitely injured". On what basis did you say that and what have you to say now? Other than I'm sorry.

No, I don't believe I did say that, because I knew she later spoke with reporters on the scene.

Posting on the fly, with apologies.

173 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 4:59:56pm

re: #158 Silhouette

Yes but they are different kinds of jerks. If a man stands up to another man he does so becuase he thinks he can beat him. She took on the cop because it was beyond her comprehension the he would beat her. There's a gender difference there. She thought her feminine status meant the cops would dare touch her.

174 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:04:20pm

re: #163 StinkHammer

Wow, a Diggers reference -- I haven't heard that term for years. Nice one.

They're considered quite the cultural heroes around SF, despite (or more likely, because of) the fact that it was largely them, along with the infinitely loathsome Jerry Rubin, who first injected the largely apolitical Hippie culture here with moonbattery. To cite the South Park reference above, they were the Know It All College Hippies who arrived in the wake of the first two subspecii, and permanently poisoned the scene with the ideology and tactics we're still seeing in places like Denver.

175 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:04:32pm

I e-mailed this LGF link to all everyone mentioned at the bottom.

I encourage everyone else to do so! power in numbers.

176 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:04:59pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I believe you have a valid point, there. But the hippie men also taunt the police, because they know the police have to use restraint and say "sir" and "ma'am", so they too know, to an extent, that they can get away with it.

And like Forrest, they know if they don't 'get away with it', if the police push back, they can claim victimhood.

It frankly reminds me, on a non-lethal scale, of the jihadists surrounding themselves with children or other innocents. They are counting on the fact that their enemies have more decency than they do, and holding their fire. And if not, if the kids are killed, bonus to them!

177 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:04:59pm

Fuck her and the rest of them. The police gave them a legal order to get back and stay back. They didn't. What happened? Tough shit you spoiled little bitch. I have no patience with assholes on the extreme left or right. Pepper spray for the lot.

178 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:05:26pm

re: #162 Colonel Panik

G_dD_mn Hippies!

If you don't get rid of your Giggling Stoners and your Drum Circle hippies, they will attract something much worse. The College Know-It-All hippies.

Stan's speech - die hippie die
Cartman Pacifies hippies-die hippie die

179 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:06:38pm

re: #169 garycooper

LOL ! :)

180 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:07:13pm

re: #162 Colonel Panik

G_dD_mn Hippies!

If you don't get rid of your Giggling Stoners and your Drum Circle hippies, they will attract something much worse. The College Know-It-All hippies.

College Know-It-All hippies

181 Winslow  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:07:16pm

Secret Agent Z!
Secret Agent Z!
You show us all the news that
MSM won't let us see.

182 zombie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:07:22pm

re: #123 mikalm

Zombie,

How on earth do you keep putting together these superb reports? Many thanks for this latest one.

(BTW, did you get the email I sent you yesterday?)

I did, but too busy to do anything more, reportage-wise, for a while.

183 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:08:58pm

I just got back from my walk.

I went down the Main Post Office where I have my P.O. Box. On the way down I noticed Several things.

The redhead who walked into the local Obamatology Org would have been hot were it not for the perpetual Marxist scowl on her face.

That there was a serious party at a well known piano bar on a major street (all of which I'm not going to name at present for obvious reasons) and that a nice lady was bringing out ice water to the State Troopers on guard duty.

I passed a Paulbot with her toy Ron Paul blimp under her arm on Nicollet island.

Minneapolis police on bikes wave back when you wave at them.

And I'm going to boycott Uncle Hugo's Science Fiction Bookstore from now on.

I picked up the latest issue of the bookstore's newsletter at my P.O. box. after announcing that they were having a sale on used books someone inserted this charming paragraph:

We hope you can get here the first weekend, before the RNC begins, but who knows about the period while the RNC is in town. We suggest that you stop thinking of the RNC as the Republican National Convention and instead think of it as the Republican National Circus, with one team of clowns performing inside the convention center and a different team of clowns performing on the streets outside the convention center.

They have a right to their own opinion, regardless of how utterly distorted it is. They do not have a right to my custom.

I've been doing business with them for three decades. Never again will I step into that store.

I would suggest a long term metaphysical destination for them but I have no reason to believe in the existence of Hell.

184 littleguitar  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:09:00pm

Thank you Zombie (and Charles) for this report. It documents events similar to what I've seen myself, which is precisely why I don't subscribe to my local paper anymore (or the prevailing local blue-state political culture).

185 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:10:02pm

re: #174 mikalm

They're considered quite the cultural heroes around SF, despite (or more likely, because of) the fact that it was largely them, along with the infinitely loathsome Jerry Rubin, who first injected the largely apolitical Hippie culture here with moonbattery.

I was an enormous fan of Richard Brautigan's books for many years (and still am to a large degree), and if I recall correctly he participated in the S.F. Diggers scene and wrote about it. Though, in Brautigan's case he was most likely in it for the Hippie chicks. Also, since he was a bit of a gun nut (the way he eventually took his life), I don't think he was ever totally on board with the pacifistic notions of the Hippies (even though he was sympathetic to their communal ideals).

186 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:10:51pm

Excellent job, zombie!

Buncha filthy spoiled brats is right, tfk.

Spit!

187 Whale Watcher  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:11:20pm
Do you think Officer Stewart should be investigated or suspended?

I think he should be promoted.

188 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:11:56pm

Last weeks headlines: Obama, Obama, Obama.

This weeks headlines: Gustav, Gustav, Gustav.

What media bias?

189 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:11:56pm

Not even close to the old days. Pffftt .Lil pvzzies.

Beautiful well trained horses.

190 mikalm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:12:55pm

re: #182 zombie

Understood.

Look out for a second, and more personal, email coming from me in the next hour or so. (Nothing serious -- it's just that once again, I've spotted two people in reports of yours who I know personally, and want to give you the low-down on them.)

191 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:13:18pm

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

Mr. Burns: Let's go back to the nuclear plant.

Smithers: What about the jars of urine, sir?

Mr. Burns: Oh, we'll hang on to those.

I think there are instructions for using urine in the IMPROVISED MUNITIONS HANDBOOK.

(Have to go to gun show to buy one, bwaahahahahahaha!)

192 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:13:20pm

re: #189 vagabond trader

Not even close to the old days. Pffftt .Lil pvzzies.

Beautiful well trained horses.

Made me angry to see that the horses had to have eye protectors on because these human pieces of dirt aren't even beyond hurting innocent animals.

193 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:13:54pm

re: #183 The Other Les

Commie bookstores are as common as fleas in SF. I have learned to either go in to them only for the purpose of opposition research, or not at all. There is a new one on Mission St. I walked past it last week. Big pictures of Mao, Stalin and even Trotsky. It looked like it had abut 6 books in it. A noxious little place.

194 Omni  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:14:01pm

It really is telling when an insignificant thing like this becomes the most publicized protest "incident" of the convention.

This is what a disproportional response really is. Geez, Americans are spoiled.

195 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:14:50pm

[Link: drybonesblog.blogspot.com...]

ANOTHER REASON FOR JOHN MCCAIN

196 the_flying_pig  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:15:07pm

re: #37 zombie

Then it is up to us lizardoids, Charles Johnson and the right stop the left from doing that any further, zombie!

197 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:15:39pm

Rove on FNC now. He must be pleased about the uproar the Palin pick has caused.

198 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:16:20pm
199 Midwestprof  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:16:39pm

Zombie--Great job, as always!

You probably have answered this previously, but can we expect to see your reports from St. Paul?

200 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:17:19pm

re: #193 rawmuse

Commie bookstores are as common as fleas in SF. I have learned to either go in to them only for the purpose of opposition research, or not at all.

I wouldn't be able to enter any of them without bursting into laughter. I mean, the very concept of a commercial enterprise selling books advocating the dispersal of private enterprise is ironic high comedy. Plus, the cliche factor alone is worth a chortle.

201 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:17:55pm

FNC just ran that sound bite with the donk saying God must be on our side. The asshole is spinning it as joke on Jerry Falwells Post 9-11 comments. Right.

202 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:18:02pm

Great job Zombie. You shred!

203 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:18:53pm
204 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:19:02pm

re: #201 pingjockey

FNC just ran that sound bite with the donk saying God must be on our side. The asshole is spinning it as joke on Jerry Falwells Post 9-11 comments. Right.

Fox News ran it? Great. I was thinking no one would touch it.

205 rawmuse  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:19:34pm

re: #200 StinkHammer

They would say that they are "In it but not OF it" (commerce).

206 seekeroftruth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:19:41pm

re: #201 pingjockey

FNC just ran that sound bite with the donk saying God must be on our side. The asshole is spinning it as joke on Jerry Falwells Post 9-11 comments. Right.

I just saw that too. What a jerk!

207 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:19:48pm

re: #193 rawmuse

Commie bookstores are as common as fleas in SF. I have learned to either go in to them only for the purpose of opposition research, or not at all. There is a new one on Mission St. I walked past it last week. Big pictures of Mao, Stalin and even Trotsky. It looked like it had abut 6 books in it. A noxious little place.

Uncle Hugo's was just a plain old Science Fiction bookstore.

Now that I shop on Amazon it's essentially irrelevant now.

208 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:20:11pm

re: #204 reine.de.tout

Just now. Brit Hume is on from the RNC convention.

209 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:20:24pm

re: #91 Cognito

Just curious. What is the magic number of warnings police officers give until someone is deemed to have interfered with an officer in his/her line of duty?

210 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:21:23pm

re: #209 solomonpanting
Hmmm. We were told on the ship to give one warning then shoot!

211 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:21:31pm

re: #205 rawmuse

They would say that they are "In it but not OF it" (commerce).

And they would be, frankly, full of shit.

:^)

212 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:21:35pm

I was in a hippie book store just an hour or so ago. Little goth girl regaling her circle of friends with the wish that she could post a big NoBama sticker right next to her No To McCain sticker.

She's not happy with either choice, it seems. Me neither!

I'm guessing that our reasons, however, are polar opposites.

213 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:21:46pm

re: #200 StinkHammer

I wouldn't be able to enter any of them without bursting into laughter. I mean, the very concept of a commercial enterprise selling books advocating the dispersal of private enterprise is ironic high comedy. Plus, the cliche factor alone is worth a chortle.

There was one local Rec bookstore that kept changing locations.

Maybe they had a problem with paying the rent?

214 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:22:02pm

re: #198 reine.de.tout

These people need to read the whole article. Every time.

They won't, of course. But they should.

215 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:22:04pm

re: #197 pingjockey

Rove on FNC now. He must be pleased about the uproar the Palin pick has caused.

Sarah Palin is the real reformer that the Obamessiah pretends to be. Just as comparisons between John McCain and Joe the Bigmouth Biden don't make the latter look very "statesmanlike".

When the voters start comparing their track records (as they will), it will most likely be Game Over for Obama/Biden, and the DNC knows it.

I wonder at what point the Democrats will realize that their "philosophy of power" died a long time ago, and has long since started to smell?

cheers

eon

216 Alouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:22:05pm

re: #97 Dianna

He will at least get a scolding for addressing her as "bitch." Even if she did deserve it.

I'll forward it.

He had an allergic reaction to a bee sting, bee itch.

217 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:22:44pm

Ατοπια Atopia = No place.

Ευ τοπια Eutopia = Good place.

Κακο τοπια Cacotopia = Bad Place

Utopia, as it is spelled, does really mean anything in Greek. No doubt it has entered Greek by foreign sources by now. This is all reverse translation like the Japanese saying, "Let's beer." or "Let's Coke™." for "Let's go have a beer." etc.

218 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:23:10pm

re: #201 pingjockey

FNC just ran that sound bite with the donk saying God must be on our side. The asshole is spinning it as joke on Jerry Falwells Post 9-11 comments. Right.

I said "Just give them a few hours to figure out the spin, and not only are they not at fault, but it is the right's fault."

But I'm hardly clairvoyant. They do that every time.

219 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:23:19pm

re: #91 Cognito
It's not a matter of the officer being in danger in this case. He was there to control the situation which was already chaotic. When a cop says 'back up'.. you back the fk up. Period.

220 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:24:02pm

[Link: www.jpost.com...]
NOT SURE OF THE POINT OF THIS.

221 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:24:16pm

re: #210 pingjockey

Hmmm. We were told on the ship to give one warning then shoot!

Thank you.

222 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:24:25pm

re: #217 David IV of Georgia

Ατοπια Atopia = No place.

Ευ τοπια Eutopia = Good place.

Κακο τοπια Cacotopia = Bad Place.

Tapioca = Good Pudding.

223 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:25:25pm

re: #219 NoSubmission

It's not a matter of the officer being in danger in this case. He was there to control the situation which was already chaotic. When a cop says 'back up'.. you back the fk up. Period.

when he says back it up bitch you immediately start grinding

224 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:25:33pm

re: #215 eon

One word. 'Authenticity.' Palin embodies it. Obama doesn't know the meaning of it.

225 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:26:18pm

Even without the full context in thee RMN version I laughed my ass off.

"Fuckin' do it again...WHAM!

Never gets old.

226 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:26:46pm

OT - Mayor Nagin, quoting Saddam Hussein.

"Gustav is the Mother of All Storm."

227 Arbalest  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:26:54pm

To return,for a bit, to one of the earliest items on this thread, the media outlets that distribute this video clip and push the "innocence" of Forrest (and Code pink in general) are vulnerable:

1. Send e-mails to their advertisers, telling them what the Media is doing.

A few wealthy real-estate developers recently helped adjust Berkeley's arttitude towards the Marines.

2. TV and Radio stations have to have their licenses periodically renewed.

How do/did they present this incident?

Send them an e-mail as soon as the clip airs, and the incident is broadcast. The video shown is deliberately incomplete and this is (as of now) public knowledge.

Perhaps they showed the entire event, perhaps they commented on the missing footage, perhaps the later issues an acceptable correction (time, duration, commentary, etc.). but perhaps they let the Code Pink view prevail.

This might be an item to mention to the FCC during the license review process ...

Future incidents of this sort might become quite rare.

228 Sol Roth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:27:22pm

re: #37 zombie

That is how the left is treating this.

1 Alex Jones is treading on thin, Section 8, ice.

2. This is possibly the best story you've done so far. It exposes deliberate manipulation by the Media in order to frame a police official. Perhaps even to extort the Denver Police Department.

The Officer should file suit against the Rocky Mountain News.

229 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:27:40pm

re: #220 yochanan

[Link: www.jpost.com...]
NOT SURE OF THE POINT OF THIS.

think it means the speculation is true that there will be strikes after the US election and before the new President takes office?

230 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:28:01pm

re: #226 Silhouette

OT - Mayor Nagin, quoting Saddam Hussein.

"Gustav is the Mother of All Storm."

that seems to be Nagin's favorite line. I believe he said it about Katrina, too.

Nagin needs to expand his vocabulary.

231 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:30:47pm

re: #229 spidly

I think it is to put pressue on the west, if they had set a date to attack the last thing they would have done is to put it in the jerusalem post this may be pressue to make the west do something so israel doesn't have to attack iran

232 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:31:28pm

re: #225 kevinmumaw

Even without the full context in thee RMN version I laughed my ass off.

"Fuckin' do it again...WHAM!

Never gets old.

As someone who was struck in the face at West Point with an anti-war sign by an A.N.S.W.E.R. organizer, this makes me laugh too.

233 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:31:33pm

re: #222 Silhouette

Tapioca = Good Pudding.

Tapiopia= Place of good pudding

234 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:31:44pm

re: #231 yochanan

I think it is to put pressue on the west, if they had set a date to attack the last thing they would have done is to put it in the jerusalem post this may be pressue to make the west do something so israel doesn't have to attack iran

good luck with that

235 pingjockey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:31:54pm

re: #231 yochanan
Yep. Very possible. If IAF does attack, the date won't be in the newspaper!

236 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:32:36pm

The real villain here isn't, of course, the officer. But neither is it the Code Pink wacko, although she was in the wrong.

However, her sin is tiny compared to the biggest villain, the people that purposefully presented this edited video tape of only half the story to the world.


A half-truth is a total lie. And the Rocky Mountain News lied.

237 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:33:02pm
238 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:33:09pm

re: #235 pingjockey

the iranians will be the first to know sort of like the syrians being the first to know they lost a north korean nuke plant

239 seekeroftruth  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:33:16pm

re: #236 Silhouette

The real villain here isn't, of course, the officer. But neither is it the Code Pink wacko, although she was in the wrong.

However, her sin is tiny compared to the biggest villain, the people that purposefully presented this edited video tape of only half the story to the world.


A half-truth is a total lie. And the Rocky Mountain News lied.

Exactly.

240 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:34:12pm

It's incidents like these that make you wish the RNC would hold a convention in Chicago soon. Let Code Pinko try that crap with the Chicago PD. I doubt she would be out of the hospital yet. And that Carlos chick would be 6 feet under for even thinking about swinging her sign. And the Tribune would back up the police.

241 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:34:30pm

My Joke Of The Day, which has not garnered any major laffs amongst my immediate family: "Gustav Wind"

Maybe it's the delivery...

242 europhobe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:34:35pm

Anybody see Obama today? He had this terrified look on his face like - oh shit, I might win this thing.

243 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:35:28pm

re: #232 NoSubmission

As someone who was struck in the face at West Point with an anti-war sign by an A.N.S.W.E.R. organizer, this makes me laugh too.

Did you go to West Point? What year?

244 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:36:59pm

"Too soon?"

245 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:37:31pm

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Why would any electorate vote for someone whose very name embodies broken promises?

Ray Nagin = Reneging

Ray Nagin on competence

Ray Nagin on rebuilding

Ray Nagin on leadership

The electorate voted for him a second time because his name was intentionally misspelled on the ballot:

Ray Again

246 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:37:50pm

re: #242 europhobe

Anybody see Obama today? He had this terrified look on his face like - oh shit, I might win this thing.

He can relax, imho.

247 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:37:55pm

re: #141 ted

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

Warning !
NSFW And Kiddies!
Strong Language!

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

You ever watch those true police/dumb criminal shows and wonder how many people who ended up with a felony arrest might have got just a warning?

My father had a coworker come in late to work one morning angrily muttering curses. Finally someone was able to get him to open up about why he was so mad. It seems that he was going a little fast to work and got pulled over. He handled the situation by cursing the policeman. Then once he got his ticket, he burned a little rubber as he left. Well, police have these things called radio and there was another policeman a bit up the road. He got pulled over again. Then a third time. And a fourth. He got four tickets on his way to work. He should have watched this video.

248 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:38:05pm

re: #212 Silhouette

I was in a hippie book store just an hour or so ago. Little goth girl regaling her circle of friends with the wish that she could post a big NoBama sticker right next to her No To McCain sticker.

She's not happy with either choice, it seems. Me neither!

I'm guessing that our reasons, however, are polar opposites.

What's stopping her? Did she say?

249 Perry  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:38:14pm

re: #236 Silhouette

The real villain here isn't, of course, the officer. But neither is it the Code Pink wacko, although she was in the wrong.

However, her sin is tiny compared to the biggest villain, the people that purposefully presented this edited video tape of only half the story to the world.


A half-truth is a total lie. And the Rocky Mountain News lied.

But isn't that what she hoped for? She instigated and they confabulated. I'm holding her at least as guilty as the press who edited their work to make her story more sympathetic. I am argumentative today. :-)

250 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:38:36pm

re: #243 kevinmumaw
Oh. No. I didn't attend West Point. I covered an anti-war protest there last year. I was shooting pictures and this A.N.S.W.E.R. dweeb assaulted me and then --shock!-- lied about it when I brought the state troopers over.

251 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:39:26pm

re: #230 reine.de.tout

that seems to be Nagin's favorite line. I believe he said it about Katrina, too.

Nagin needs to expand his vocabulary.

New Orleans needs better choices in their next mayoral election. Nagin is essentially repeating his Katrina act, i.e. telling everyone to do what they're already doing, and getting ready to blame FEMA, etc., for whatever goes wrong due to the city's (i.e., his own) lack of foresight.

And why shouldn't he? After all, it worked well enough last time around that he kept his job when LA governor Kathleen "Tabula Rasa" Blanco lost hers- mainly due to his non-performance in his job.

I've heard of the Peter Principle ("People are promoted to their level of incompetence") but Nagin is possibly the most egregious example of it since Ohio's own George Armstrong Custer. (The difference being that Custer only got to screw up royally once.)

cheers

eon

252 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:39:50pm

Fox News: RNC Convention postponed due to Gustov.

253 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:40:38pm

re: #235 pingjockey

Yep. Very possible. If IAF does attack, the date won't be in the newspaper!

...communications go down all over the mideast as they did some months back...

heard a lot of speculation that too many sorties are needed for Israel to do this without the US, so it has not and will not happen until Bush is free to act in the period between election and inauguration.

254 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:40:48pm

re: #242 europhobe

Anybody see Obama today? He had this terrified look on his face like - oh shit, I might win this thing.

haha...I tell ya, if he does, he better fix the universe quick, because if he doesn't, he's going to hear about it every hour of every day for at least the next 4 years. The day after inauguration...got Osama yet? No? Why not? Is every child healthy yet? Is everybody in college? Are the global temperatures decreasing yet? Repeat 365 times per year. In a way, I hope he does win so he can be blamed for absolutely everything that is not perfect in the world, whether it is his responsibility or not. And I mean everything. If it rains during the Indianapolis 500, Obama's fault. He'll look like he's 75 when it's over.

255 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:41:38pm

re: #2 zombie

Actually, I apologize to everyone for this report: it's admittedly on a pretty trivial incident, that no one outside of moonbat-land even cares about any more -- but I just couldn't sit on the exposé-worthy evidence and let another leftist lie go unchallenged.

And, from the post:

email the URL of this essay to the Rocky Mountain News, or the Denver Police “Independent Monitor”, or the Denver Post,

The latter has been done, to the RMN along with a letter, and cc'd to the other two plus the GM of a major Denver TV station whom I've corresponded with in the past.

Good Job, zombie!

256 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:42:03pm

While this is all very interesting - and not very surprising - what, exactly, are you doing about it other than posting it here? You excoriate others to spread links to it far and wide; how about contacting the police yourself and sending them the report first hand? How about contacting the Denver media directly with it? Or some of the national mew outlets? It would carry a lot more weight with the author attached to it than it will as just another blog story.

If you think this is bad, wait 'til the RNC gets off the ground. If this is how the media and the moonbats behave at the Democratic Convention, imagine what they're going to be like in Minneapolis.

257 Macker  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:42:32pm

re: #110 yochanan

in soviet union Putin's Russia you don't have human rights HUMAN RIGHTS HAS YOU.

There, fixed that for ya!

258 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:43:01pm

re: #248 Semper Gumbi

What's stopping her? Did she say?

I was afraid to engage her conversation. The illogic may have killed me, and I was, after all, in a book store to ADD to my knowledge, not erase it. ;-)

Maybe she has no idea how to acquire a bumper sticker on her own. Anti-McCain stickers are perhaps handed out like water in all the places she hangs out. But the self-reliance necessary to search out anti-Obama items may be beyond her.

On the other hand, maybe she and all her friends are hard-core pro-American "South Park" republicans, and I misjudged them solely on their appearance.

259 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:44:04pm

re: #249 Perry

I am argumentative today. :-)

Nope, it's a good point.

Aren't the Palis as guilty over Pallywood as the AP and Reuters apologists that carry water for them?

260 vagabond trader  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:44:06pm

Two things that really drive the left nuts are gun toting Jews and a gun toting woman.

261 Macker  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:44:06pm

re: #240 kevinmumaw

Not as long as Richard M. Daley and his goons run the People's Socialist City-State of Chicago!

262 rain of lead  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:45:11pm

here's the link
ex-dem chairman apologizes
"it was just a joke"
read the whole thing :0

263 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:45:59pm

For anyone who doesn't want to wade through all the comments, the vast majority of which were disgusted by his post, here's a great one not to miss:

"Of course, Alan, had she gone to a medical provider who crushed the baby’s head with forceps and vacuumed out the fragments and remaining tissue, she’d be a progressive exercising her reproductive choice, right?

And if during such procedure, the fetus were to emerge live born, Barak Obama would support the right of the physicians to let it die on the table.

But you want to talk about her prenatal care in conformance with the advice of her personal physician.

Just stunning, Alan. Stay classy."

Couldn't have said it better myself. J

Posted by: jeweytunes

264 gop_patriot  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:46:10pm

re: #252 StinkHammer

Thanks for the alert! I don't have FoxNews Channel on my Dish, and couldn't find it on FoxNews. com at first, but it's up on the website now:

McCain Suspends Most GOP Convention Programming

ST. PAUL — The Republican National Convention has suspended all but the most necessary activities to constitute a convention Monday and then will adjourn until further notice, John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, announced Sunday.

265 bikeguy65  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:46:42pm

re: #183 The Other Les

You should tell them that. Don't buy Kenneth Cole Stuff either.

266 Perry  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:46:46pm

re: #259 Silhouette

Nope, it's a good point.

Aren't the Palis as guilty over Pallywood as the AP and Reuters apologists that carry water for them?


No! I want to argue.
/more so.

267 Piglet-U93  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:04pm

re: #169 garycooper

Move over Chuck Norris

268 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:19pm

re: #207 The Other Les

Yeah. I hate it when people inject politics....especially hostile politics.... into non-political things.

A local cafe we go to put up an Obama sign in the window. (Not terribly big.) I think that's stupid business-wise, but I can ignore it. But when they put a No More McSame poster w/ an ugly picture of McCain on it, that was it for us.
The first one says "We're for Obama." (Okay. So you're a fool, but you still make a killer veggie sub.)
The second says, "I'm against anyone who's for McCain" (Okay. Adios.)

I've heard that they took the anti-McCain poster down a week or so after they put it up. But since I'm not welcome there, I won't go back to see if it's true.

269 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:32pm

Zombie,

I just sent the link to your essay to Denver Post, Denver Police Independent Monitor, and Peter Boyles (local radio talk show host).

For what it's worth, I made the effort and now it's up to them to digest your essay and take it into account for investigative purposes. I despise people attempting smears at officers doing their duties. Saying that, if an officer is in the wrong I'm one of the first to demand discipline.

My brother-in-law had a bad accident in a patrol car three days before his retirement party and about a week before last Christmas. He served 34 years.

It was touch and go for a while and he's in pretty good shape now considering how bad the accident was. He smashed his head against the computer between the seats and is still having memory problems but he is told it will come back with time.

So you can see why I have an affinity for police officers. 'Nuff said.

270 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:32pm

re: #256 SixDegrees

While this is all very interesting - and not very surprising - what, exactly, are you doing about it other than posting it here? You excoriate others to spread links to it far and wide; how about contacting the police yourself and sending them the report first hand?

Did you read the thread?

First of all, collecting this information and putting it in proper order is certainly "doing something." People complained that blogs didn't generate news but merely commented on it, and now, here is a true investigative report, and you poo-poo it too?

And several posters have commented that they have forwarded this on to the contacts. Imagine how many did so without mentioning it here, too.

271 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:55pm

re: #257 Macker

SSDD

272 mattm  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:47:55pm

IMHO she was trying to get arrested so she cod get her 15 minutes. Normal people would never sand that close to mounted police in that situation.

273 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:48:17pm

re: #250 NoSubmission

Ah, cool. Nice pictures. I like the guy riding in the convertible with the mask on. People like that want you to believe they are making some kind of brave artistic statement, when in reality they are cowards who don't want to be identified. Same thing with violent peace activists. They claim to be all peace-like and opposed to violence, in reality they are deep seated cowards who are afraid to put on a uniform and carry a rifle if it implies any kind of potential harm. It's a nice cover that I don't think even many of them believe.

274 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:48:30pm

The police officer was certainly provoked but he probably should not have cross-checked her in the face to move her back. Instead, he should have pushed her back in the chest area. Other than that the officer IMO did nothing wrong at all.
The reporting was completely misleading and biased, and I hope there is a complaint to the applicable press council or other regulatory body.
This officer is fortunate that Zombie was there to provide a record of the context for his defence.
As usual, great job Zombie!

275 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:48:38pm

Makes you wonder what these people are trying to prove by being buffoons. I mean, court jesters are a thing of the past.

276 Banner  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:48:42pm

I remember reading about this gal in your initial report before it took off on the web. I even made a comment about that fact, that you had seen this and said she was faking.

I'm happy to see you actually took the time to expose this liar. The officer in this case is innocent, there is a lot of proof here to show that. And he deserves to have that proof shown so he isn't railroaded by a fake.

277 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:48:54pm

re: #241 garycooper

It's NOT funny! How do I know?
Mr. Wolf laughed.
(That's usually not a good sign, gc ! )

278 Macker  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:49:09pm

re: #272 mattm

IMHO she was trying to get arrested so she cod get her 15 minutes. Normal people would never sand that close to mounted police in that situation.

My goodness, if she wanted her 15 minutes, she could have just gotten laid!

279 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:50:20pm

re: #265 bikeguy65

You should tell them that. Don't buy Kenneth Cole Stuff either.

I will.

280 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:50:32pm

re: #264 gop_patriot

FRANKLY i think this will work out fine sort of the political verison of a company give out charity.
and it will sept MCCAIN/PALIN even more from bush. i mean does gov'r Palin look anything like VPOTUS CHENEY? i suspect if she wanted to 'bag a lier' he would stay bagged.

281 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:50:51pm

re: #266 Perry

No! I want to argue.
/more so.

Fine.

Dungeons and Dragons was a waste of time, and nothing compared to the wonder of reading Star Wars books.

And on another topic, clearly the Orange Route is the best choice.

282 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:50:52pm

re: #262 rain of lead

a link from your link - Indicted Hometown Senator Poses Problem for Sarah Palin

Indeed, Palin helped push through key ethics reform in Alaska. And it is clear she now opposes one of Steven’s pet projects, the so-called Bridge to Nowhere (though past statements show she supported it initially). And it is even clear that Palin is not afraid to fight entrenched Republican interests in Alaska. What is less clear is whether Palin will take a definitive stand for or against Stevens before November.
283 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:51:50pm

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Why would any electorate vote for someone whose very name embodies broken promises?

Ray Nagin = Reneging

Ray Nagin on competence

Ray Nagin on rebuilding

Ray Nagin on leadership

Nagin also is a world-class nag.
Ray Naggin'

284 Luigi  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:51:52pm
Sarah Palin’s enemies are automatically added to the Endangered Species List
Sarah Palin will pry your Klondike bar from your cold dead fingers.
Sarah Palin’s finishing move in the VP debate will be pulling Biden’s still beating heart from his chest & taking a bite.

[Link: www.palinfacts.com...]

285 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:51:55pm

re: #252 StinkHammer

Fox News: RNC Convention postponed due to Gustov.

Good. That is probably the right thing to do. BTW, say what you want about Jindal, that dude is ALL OVER this hurricane. I was half-napping earlier and listening to Fox and he came on a spoke non-stop about exactly where everything is, what everyone is doing, and what they will do if the hurricane takes route X, Y, or Z. He spoke non-stop for what seemed like an hour, at an extremely high rate of speed and rattled off at least 75 different statistics. I'd say Louisiana is in good hands this time around.

286 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:52:12pm

re: #254 kevinmumaw

It would take the MSM to do that.
Not a chance.
They'll cover his patoot.

They won't hold him to account because they'd have to hold themselves to account, too.
Leftism means never having to say you're sorry.

287 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:52:13pm

OT: The rumor about Sarah Palin's son being her daughter's is starting to break through the Kos containment shield. (Scroll to the update.)

288 gunjam  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:53:02pm

Zombie, brilliant job of recreating and explaining -- in a blow-by-blow manner -- a very confusing situation.

How often has such a balanced view been lacking in a left-wing media smear-job?

I hope that the Denver P.D. pays attention to your work -- not only for Officer Stewart's sake , but also -- for the the truth's sake.

289 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:53:06pm

re: #282 spidly

a link from your link - Indicted Hometown Senator Poses Problem for Sarah Palin

GOV'R PALIN got to be gov'r because she faught the crooks in the good'o boy network. this just shows that the media guy is in tank for obama

290 Phsstpok  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:53:20pm

Officer Stewart should be disciplined for using the word "bitch." He should be suspended for a week, with pay, and sent somewhere, at city DNC expense, to contemplate his bad conduct.

Someplace like.... DisneyWorld?

291 Perry  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:54:27pm

re: #281 Silhouette

Fine.

Dungeons and Dragons was a waste of time, and nothing compared to the wonder of reading Star Wars books.

And on another topic, clearly the Orange Route is the best choice.


D&D was the best thing that EVAR happened, anywhere! You must write fan fiction. :-P

Orange Route? I am so turning you in to your alumni association.

292 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:54:38pm

re: #284 Luigi

wonder if she even likes fava beans.

293 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:54:43pm

re: #37 zombie

That is how the left is treating this.

Ironic, since Alex Jones was the one who abused Michelle Malkin at that same convention.

294 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:55:53pm

re: #261 Macker

Not as long as Richard M. Daley and his goons run the People's Socialist City-State of Chicago!

Yeah, Chicago on the whole sucks, but the PD are blue collar types with no patience for vegans from Berkeley. The batons would come out fast. There would be a high level of violence. Especially from the Polish ones. These are the sons and daughters of the 1968 Chicago PD.

295 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:56:34pm

re: #241 garycooper

My Joke Of The Day, which has not garnered any major laffs amongst my immediate family: "Gustav Wind"

Maybe it's the delivery...

Clever little turn of phrase. I've always wondered who the guy was that created the jokes we all repeat, and now I've found him!

296 BBev  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:57:18pm

For those that tried to help me with my lap top comp problems you can say good by to this old but faithful beauty for tomorrow there will be a new one to replace her. She has stayed by my side for 7 years but today is her end. She will now be relegated to financials and spread sheets and never to be on line again. At this point that I am even posting is beyond me.

297 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:57:29pm

Real police brutality?

Deputy says Russian police kill Web site owner

The owner of an independent Web site critical of authorities was shot and killed Sunday by police in a volatile province in southern Russia, his colleague said.

Police arrested Ingushetiya.ru owner Magomed Yevloyev on Sunday, taking him off a plane that had just landed in Ingushetia province near Chechnya, said the site's deputy editor, Ruslan Khautiyev.

Police whisked Yevloyev away in a car and later dumped him on the road with a gunshot wound in the head, Khautiyev said. He said Yevloyev died in a hospital shortly afterward.

298 eon  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:57:37pm

re: #273 kevinmumaw

Ah, cool. Nice pictures. I like the guy riding in the convertible with the mask on. People like that want you to believe they are making some kind of brave artistic statement, when in reality they are cowards who don't want to be identified. Same thing with violent peace activists. They claim to be all peace-like and opposed to violence, in reality they are deep seated cowards who are afraid to put on a uniform and carry a rifle if it implies any kind of potential harm. It's a nice cover that I don't think even many of them believe.




A "pacifist male" is a contradiction in terms. Most self-described "pacifists" are not pacific; they simply assume false colors. When the wind changes, they hoist the Jolly Roger.

"Excerpts from the Notebooks of Lazarus Long",
in Time Enough For Love by Robert Heinlein

cheers

eon

299 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:58:06pm

re: #278 Macker

My goodness, if she wanted her 15 minutes, she could have just gotten laid!

5 times.

/I'm not letting out any man-secrets am I?

300 wolfie  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:58:28pm

re: #296 BBev

Should we send flowers?
When is the service?

301 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:58:48pm

re: #294 kevinmumaw
the politics are a problem a one party state will do that, but compared to a lot of big cities chicago sort of works. compare chicago to n.o. or detriot. daley isn't anti bus. and generally he does not play the class war card.

302 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 5:59:20pm

re: #286 wolfie

It would take the MSM to do that.
Not a chance.
They'll cover his patoot.

They won't hold him to account because they'd have to hold themselves to account, too.
Leftism means never having to say you're sorry.

I don't listen to Rush, but I understand he is quite influential. And nobody watches ABC, NBC, CBS, or MESS-NBC anyway.

303 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:00:29pm

re: #285 kevinmumaw

Good. That is probably the right thing to do. BTW, say what you want about Jindal, that dude is ALL OVER this hurricane. I was half-napping earlier and listening to Fox and he came on a spoke non-stop about exactly where everything is, what everyone is doing, and what they will do if the hurricane takes route X, Y, or Z. He spoke non-stop for what seemed like an hour, at an extremely high rate of speed and rattled off at least 75 different statistics. I'd say Louisiana is in good hands this time around.

Did he tell Nagin to stay the F**k out of the way?

304 BigDog  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:00:43pm

I'd like to buy Officer Stewart a beer!

305 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:00:56pm

re: #302 kevinmumaw

I don't listen to Rush, but I understand he is quite influential. And nobody watches ABC, NBC, CBS, or MESS-NBC anyway.

Nawww.... he's not influential..... he only has the President call his show and congratulate him on 20 years on air.....

306 gunjam  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:01:29pm

Am I the only one who believes that the Denver P.D. likely saved the anti-homosexual preachers -- at the very least -- a beating? And -- at the worst -- a gruesome death at the hands of the leftist crowd?

And, again, does anyone else see the clear likelihood that both Carlo Garcia and Alicia Forrest are leftist saboteurs and provocateurs planted to create just this kind of havoc -- planned havoc that the leftist media is apparently willing to swallow hook, line, and sinker?

307 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:01:41pm

re: #290 Phsstpok

Officer Stewart should be disciplined for using the word "bitch." He should be suspended for a week, with pay, and sent somewhere, at city DNC expense, to contemplate his bad conduct.

Someplace like.... DisneyWorld?

Don't forget to send his family too, to remind him of why he has to be courteous to all people, even when they get in his face.

308 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:01:45pm

re: #296 BBev

For those that tried to help me with my lap top comp problems you can say good by to this old but faithful beauty for tomorrow there will be a new one to replace her. She has stayed by my side for 7 years but today is her end. She will now be relegated to financials and spread sheets and never to be on line again. At this point that I am even posting is beyond me.

7 years in PC time is like 120 human years.
Your old girl deserves to retire and you deserve a new PC.
And I bet the new one will not cost any more than the old one did.

309 kevinmumaw  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:01:48pm

Family Guy is on. I'll be back.

310 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:02:05pm

re: #304 BigDog

I'd like to buy Officer Stewart a beer!

I'll look him up and buy him a case!

311 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:02:41pm

re: #307 CyanSnowHawk

Don't forget to send his family too, to remind him of why he has to be courteous to all people, even when they get in his face.

they all get summit plummit spankings

312 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:03:00pm

re: #265 bikeguy65

You should tell them that. Don't buy Kenneth Cole Stuff either.

I just did.

I do not care to be mortally insulted. And I certainly do not care to be equated with the Enemies of Human Kind.

You have a right to your own opinion, regardless of how utterly distorted it is.

You do not have a right to my business.

I would be happy to suggest a long term metaphysical destination for you but I have no reason to believe in the existence of Hell.

Leslie Bates
[mailing address redacted]

313 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:03:10pm

re: #306 gunjam

Am I the only one who believes that the Denver P.D. likely saved the anti-homosexual preachers -- at the very least -- a beating? And -- at the worst -- a gruesome death at the hands of the leftist crowd?

And, again, does anyone else see the clear likelihood that both Carlo Garcia and Alicia Forrest are leftist saboteurs and provocateurs planted to create just this kind of havoc -- planned havoc that the leftist media is apparently willing to swallow hook, line, and sinker?

I have to agree....

314 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:03:28pm

re: #306 gunjam

Am I the only one who believes that the Denver P.D. likely saved the anti-homosexual preachers -- at the very least -- a beating? And -- at the worst -- a gruesome death at the hands of the leftist crowd?

I noticed that the leftists completely missed the irony that they were calling the other group "fascists" while they, the leftists, were actively trying to prevent the other's free speech.

315 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:04:29pm

re: #314 Silhouette

I noticed that the leftists completely missed the irony that they were calling the other group "fascists" while they, the leftists, were actively trying to prevent the other's free speech.

Irony isn't their best suit.....

316 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:04:55pm
317 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:05:27pm

re: #315 Gumby

Irony isn't their best suit.....

That's what happens to people who constantly rewrite reality.

318 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:07:03pm

re: #317 The Other Les

That's what happens to people who constantly rewrite reality.

From what I've seen and experienced, they have no concept of reality.... or refuse to entertain the idea there is a reality outside their tiny little vacuous heads....

319 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:07:39pm

waiting to see if skelator is on H & C

320 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:07:58pm

Nagin just called it the Storm of the Century.

Why not The Storm of the Millennium? Either way, it only has 8 years of competition.

321 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:08:55pm

A chaotic scene is ensuing and two actors stroll onto the set.

One is there to keep the peace, the other to disrupt it.

Officer Stewart, under intense stress and scrutiny made the best choice he could to get the message across to the Code Pink Protester. And then Alicia turned around and used the officers moment of weakness to exploit her message.

An investigation should take place, but not a smear campaign against a good officer that was trying to do his duty.

Rocky Mountain News should be ashamed of themselves for promoting this drivel.

And for the lefties going crazy over this, consider the situation: you have the freedom to protest and freedom to speech, but you also must be ready to face the consequences of these freedom's.

Just my two cents.

322 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:09:20pm

re: #320 Silhouette

Nagin just called it the Storm of the Century.

Why not The Storm of the Millennium? Either way, it only has 8 years of competition.

How about the worst storm in the last thousand years? /sarc

323 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:09:31pm

re: #256 SixDegrees

While this is all very interesting - and not very surprising - what, exactly, are you doing about it other than posting it here? You excoriate* others to spread links to it far and wide; how about contacting the police yourself and sending them the report first hand? How about contacting the Denver media directly with it? Or some of the national mew outlets? It would carry a lot more weight with the author attached to it than it will as just another blog story.

If you think this is bad, wait 'til the RNC gets off the ground. If this is how the media and the moonbats behave at the Democratic Convention, imagine what they're going to be like in Minneapolis.

Ummmmm...how does zombie *berate others to do anything?

324 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:09:43pm

re: #319 yochanan

they aren't on live on sundays, right?

325 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:10:10pm

The gulf coast is ready, and guess what? There will still be massive damage, flooding, power outages, etc. Because it is still a big flipping storm. And there is only so much human effort can do.

Quotes from FoxNews:
"If you didn't get out, that's your problem...If you're stupid enough to stay behind, we're not going to help you..."

326 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:10:37pm

re: #319 yochanan

waiting to see if skelator is on H & C

Why? Do you think he'll be Palin' out?
;)

327 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:11:05pm

re: #324 spidly

THEY ARE TONITE

328 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:11:15pm
329 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:12pm

Oh yeah.....!

From CNN/Opinion Research Center:


Obama 49, McCain 48
Gov. Palin’s approval: 38%, with 21% unfavorable and 41% never heard of her or have no opinion.

First poll with both tickets complete.

Conducted Aug. 29-31; Error margin: 3 points.

[Link: thepage.time.com...]

330 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:18pm

re: #320 Silhouette

Nagin just called it the Storm of the Century.

Why not The Storm of the Millennium? Either way, it only has 8 years of competition.

Nagin is an utter joke, as he has often demonstrated.

Seeing him on TV makes me ill.

331 William  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:33pm

Code Pinko: owned.

332 StinkHammer  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:40pm

Ouch! Shep Smith just called out Ray "Bus Master" Nagin on FOX: "He certainly has his own conscience to deal with for things that happened back in the day...."

(Not-so-subtle reporter-ese for "Nagin fucked up.")

333 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:47pm

re: #326 solomonpanting

Why? Do you think he'll be Palin' out?
;)

He's on.

334 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:12:49pm

re: #256 SixDegrees

Those are rather thin scales you have.

Registered since: Aug 29, 2008 at 6:14 pm

No. of comments posted: 5
No. of links posted: 0

335 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:13:30pm

re: #321 baxtrice


And for the lefties going crazy over this, consider the situation: you have the freedom to protest and freedom to speech, but you also must be ready to face the consequences of these freedom's.

Just my two cents.

I watched an old episode of American Justice last night concerning the Rodney King incident and all the kerfuffle that entailed. Later on there was another riot for some reason or other and the police backed off enforcing law and order. People were screaming that the police didn't do enough to quell the violence and mayhem. Go figure! Damned if you do and damned if you don't!

336 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:13:33pm

Officer Stewart could come on and give Colmes a sharp blow to the chest and say "take it back, bitch"

337 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:14:37pm

re: #332 StinkHammer

Ouch! Shep Smith just called out Ray "Bus Master" Nagin on FOX: "He certainly has his own conscience to deal with for things that happened back in the day...."

(Not-so-subtle reporter-ese for "Nagin fucked up.")

Yep - and also said "of course there were no buses used for evacuations with Katrina" in reference to the massive evacuation efforts this go 'round.

Nice zing, Drac Boy!

338 cronopio  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:15:11pm

What's the problem with this people, don't they have jobs or something?

All this professional protesters should be sent for a year abroad (choice: Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea) and see how they like it.

339 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:15:49pm

re: #336 spidly

Officer Stewart could come on and give Colmes a sharp blow to the chest and say "take it back, bitch"

ROTFLMFAO!

340 garycooper  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:16:07pm

re: #277 wolfie

It's NOT funny! How do I know?
Mr. Wolf laughed.
(That's usually not a good sign, gc ! )

Well, at least I'm not the only one. ;)

NOT FUNNY! JUST TRAGIC!

341 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:16:39pm

re: #333 loppyd

He's on.

It would be stupid of me to pelt my own television screen with eggs and rotten tomatoes, wouldn't it?

342 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:16:42pm

re: #335 Gumby

I watched an old episode of American Justice last night concerning the Rodney King incident and all the kerfuffle that entailed. Later on there was another riot for some reason or other and the police backed off enforcing law and order. People were screaming that the police didn't do enough to quell the violence and mayhem. Go figure! Damned if you do and damned if you don't!

The new slogan of our times.

:)

343 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:17:05pm

re: #334 MandyManners

Those are rather thin scales you have.

Registered since: Aug 29, 2008 at 6:14 pm

No. of comments posted: 5
No. of links posted: 0

Mandy,
In all fairness, it may be something of an idealist. If so, nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Maybe we should wait and see. Hmmm.

344 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:17:15pm

re: #338 cronopio

What's the problem with this people, don't they have jobs or something?

All this professional protesters should be sent for a year abroad (choice: Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea) and see how they like it.

What, no car swarm duty in Gaza? WTF kind of cheap world protest tour are you sellin' here, mac?

/////

345 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:17:31pm

re: #341 MandyManners

It would be stupid of me to pelt my own television screen with eggs and rotten tomatoes, wouldn't it?

Yeah, your TV isn't to blame for him being a total asshole.

346 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:17:40pm

It worked for Rodney King. Might work again.

/s

347 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:17:46pm

re: #341 MandyManners

It would be stupid of me to pelt my own television screen with eggs and rotten tomatoes, wouldn't it?


Nawww Mandy.... go for it! Get 'er done!1 It'll relieve some stress.....

348 Outrider  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:18:10pm

OT but needing assistance.

Did anyone get a screenshot of the Palin entry at Wikipedia a few days ago? I went back to get the information on charges filed against her brother-in-laws (open beer container while in a police car, tazoring his son, numerous traffic violations, etc) that he had ADMITTED to when fighting his suspension.

Problem is; the entire Wiki article has been re-written and in a decidedly biased manner. This information is no longer present. No surprise there.

349 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:18:27pm

This is hilarious. Palin is interviewed during a summer league baseball game. The interviewer cuts in to give play-by-play guy. It was linked upstairs by ratherdashing

350 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:18:40pm

re: #342 baxtrice

The new slogan of our times.

:)

Unfortunately, True Dat!

351 Dianna  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:19:09pm

re: #341 MandyManners

It would be stupid of me to pelt my own television screen with eggs and rotten tomatoes, wouldn't it?

Well, the clean-up would be tiresome. And the smell would linger no matter what you did.

So, yeah, it wouldn't be your very best move.

352 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:19:22pm

re: #341 MandyManners

It would be stupid of me to pelt my own television screen with eggs and rotten tomatoes, wouldn't it?

How 'bout doin' a Calvin (your avatar) ?

353 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:19:27pm

They go through all the trouble of evacuating a record number of people after warning them how serious the storm's gong to be.

/and then Shep shows up to ride it out in New Orleans, what an awesome role model

354 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:20:31pm

re: #351 Dianna

Well, the clean-up would be tiresome. And the smell would linger no matter what you did.

So, yeah, it wouldn't be your very best move.

I have solved this problem. I keep a basket of Sonic "tot" toys nearby to chuck at the TV. Re-usable and non-marring. ;)

355 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:21:00pm

re: #336 spidly

Officer Stewart could come on and give Colmes a sharp blow to the chest and say "take it back, bitch"

I'd pay $50 bucks to see that - but in Colmes' case, please make it a whack to the mouth.

356 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:21:24pm

re: #353 Killian Bundy

They go through all the trouble of evacuating a record number of people after warning them how serious the storm's gong to be.

/and then Shep shows up to ride it out in New Orleans, what an awesome role model

Shhhh...he's trying to meet Asian reporter Tricia Takanawa...

/

357 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:22:03pm

re: #353 Killian Bundy

They go through all the trouble of evacuating a record number of people after warning them how serious the storm's gong to be.

/and then Shep shows up to ride it out in New Orleans, what an awesome role model

Yeppers... gotta get that story..... /channeling Gerry Rivers...

358 loppyd  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:23:02pm

Why doesn't Skeletor go to MSNBC where he belongs?

He could take Chrissy Matthews' place being Olbermann's bitch.

359 Silhouette  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:23:02pm

Today's quote from Obama, who AP helpfully says "deals gently" with Palin

"We're going to make sure that equal pay for equal work is a reality in this country," Obama said at an economic forum in Toledo, Ohio, a battleground state this fall. Alluding to Palin without saying her name, he told about 200 people sitting on a sun-drenched office rooftop that she "seems like a very engaging person, nice person. But I've got to say, she's opposed, like John McCain is, to equal pay for equal work. That doesn't make much sense to me."

Too bad for Obama that words don't equal actions

On average, women working in Obama's Senate office were paid at least $6,000 below the average man working for the Illinois senator.
The average pay for all 36 male employees on Obama's staff was $55,962; and the average pay for all 31 female employees was $48,729.
the average pay for the 30 women on McCain's staff was $59,104.51. The 16 non-intern males in McCain's office, by comparison, were paid an average of $56,628.83.
360 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:23:55pm

re: #348 Outrider

OT but needing assistance.

Did anyone get a screenshot of the Palin entry at Wikipedia a few days ago? I went back to get the information on charges filed against her brother-in-laws (open beer container while in a police car, tazoring his son, numerous traffic violations, etc) that he had ADMITTED to when fighting his suspension.

Problem is; the entire Wiki article has been re-written and in a decidedly biased manner. This information is no longer present. No surprise there.

No screenshot here and I'm sorry I can't stick around this evening to help you check this out but here is a website that can help you figure out who is rewriting the wiki entries:

[Link: wikiscanner.virgil.gr...]

361 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:24:36pm

re: #338 cronopio

What's the problem with this people, don't they have jobs or something?

All this professional protesters should be sent for a year abroad (choice: Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea) and see how they like it.

They would be treated like foreign dignitaries in these places and would not feel the pain of the general pop... best to send them to Sudan, some nice Taliban infested region or some other sharia paradise that frowns on pink tutus,

well, maybe north korea as I'm pretty sure they can't afford to feed foreign dignitaries

362 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:24:38pm

Actually, I'd be asking my stupid self if it were worth risking life and limb to be in a 'ghost town' with nothing but 120 mph winds and sideways rain..... nothing to see here..... but that's just me....

363 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:24:57pm

OT Damn Gustav is freakin' huge!

I may get down-dinged for this, but I think that the hurricane hitting during the RNC is a good thing. Because instead of the week long selfish "me me me" lovefest that the democrats had, the republicans in contrast will go in, get business done and go back to work.

It might be Win-Win for us. If it's done correctly.

*crosses fingers*

364 akak  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:25:21pm

re: #353 Killian Bundy

They go through all the trouble of evacuating a record number of people after warning them how serious the storm's gong to be.

/and then Shep shows up to ride it out in New Orleans, what an awesome role model

Shep in a cesspool, heh.

365 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:25:22pm

re: #358 loppyd

Why doesn't Skeletor go to MSNBC where he belongs?

He could take Chrissy Matthews' place being Olbermann's bitch.

I'm not sure there's enough blood in him to allow a leg tingle...what would MSNoBodySees be without leg tingles?

366 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:25:58pm

re: #362 Gumby

Actually, I'd be asking my stupid self if it were worth risking life and limb to be in a 'ghost town' with nothing but 120 mph winds and sideways rain..... nothing to see here..... but that's just me....

There is all the interesting crap flying through the air at your head.

367 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:27:31pm

re: #362 Gumby

Actually, I'd be asking my stupid self if it were worth risking life and limb to be in a 'ghost town' with nothing but 120 mph winds and sideways rain..... nothing to see here..... but that's just me....

I alsways get a laugh out of watching Anderson Cooper doing the sideways two-step.

368 yochanan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:27:50pm

In the end obama did not get a bounce

wonder what the PALIN bounce will be?

369 OldLineTexan  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:28:50pm

re: #368 yochanan

In the end obama did not get a bounce

wonder what the PALIN bounce will be?

Please, no sexist remarks.

/

370 Big Steve  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:28:54pm

offering 6:4 odds that Alicia Forrest is wearing a neck brace these days.

371 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:29:21pm

re: #367 sparrowlake

alsways = always
PIMF

372 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:29:30pm

re: #368 yochanan

wonder what the PALIN bounce will be?


Watch your language, buster, this here be a family show.

373 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:29:51pm

re: #370 Big Steve

offering 6:4 odds that Alicia Forrest is wearing a neck brace these days.

And I'm betting the rent money that she doesn't NEED to be wearing it.

374 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:29:59pm

re: #366 OldLineTexan

There is all the interesting crap flying through the air at your head.

trailers. there is a warning that the trailers that abound are rated for something stupid like 35mph wind and will be moving about the city

375 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:30:14pm

I'm tired.

Bye.

376 Big Steve  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:30:42pm

re: #373 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I'm betting the rent money that she doesn't NEED to be wearing it.

of course she doesn't need it except to win her lawsuit.

377 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:31:10pm

re: #370 Big Steve

offering 6:4 odds that Alicia Forrest is wearing a neck brace these days.

And 60:40 is probably her contingency fee deal with the lawyer.

378 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:31:16pm

re: #376 Big Steve

of course she doesn't need it except to win her lawsuit.

She DOES need a new suit.

379 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:31:31pm
380 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:32:13pm

re: #366 OldLineTexan

There is all the interesting crap flying through the air at your head.

That's crap I could definitely do without! I've seen pictures (years ago) of straw being strck through telephone poles after a tornado.... don't want anything to do with that!

When I was a kid, (6yrs old) I was in an orphanage in Dallas, there was a hurricane, maybe tornado, or remnant of one, that came all the way to Dallas. EVERYTHING outside was a dirty dark green (sky, ect) wind was blowing to beat hell and we were all lined up in the hallway away from windows. There were reinforced glass panes on the door and I could see out and it scared me shitless. Definitely put the fear of God into me!

381 Archimedes  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:33:25pm

re: #375 The Other Les

I'm tired.

Bye.

I think you should hang in here for a while. Just being tired isn't enough to cause you to leave.

382 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:33:37pm

Up-thread, zombie said he/she/it has been to a Code Pink training class. That must have been a VERY interesting experience.

383 Outrider  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:33:50pm

re: #360 Pvt Bin Jammin

No screenshot here and I'm sorry I can't stick around this evening to help you check this out but here is a website that can help you figure out who is rewriting the wiki entries:

[Link: wikiscanner.virgil.gr...]

Thanks. This was helpful. I had already gone through the discussion and edit boards but can still find no reference to what I know I saw.

There is a good reason Wiki is not a reliable source.

Guess I have to go back to using various search engines for this question.

Thanks again.

384 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:33:55pm

re: #370 Big Steve

offering 6:4 odds that Alicia Forrest is wearing a neck brace these days.

John Edwards will help her out.... considering all his public appearances with Liz have been cancelled....

385 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:34:16pm

re: #379 buzzsawmonkey

Is Palin getting support from the Foundation Garment Foundation?

Of corset

386 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:34:35pm
387 bikeguy65  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:34:49pm

re: #312 The Other Les

Nice!

388 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:35:30pm
389 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:35:44pm

Code Pinkers are nothing but oozing boils on the ass of society. They annoy the ell out of you and are so damn tough to get rid of.

390 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:36:00pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?

He just had to check in wid choo!1

391 sparrowlake  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:36:26pm

re: #379 buzzsawmonkey

Is Palin getting support from the Foundation Garment Foundation?

That is an uplifting comment.

392 BBev  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:37:13pm

re: #308 sparrowlake

7 years in PC time is like 120 human years.
Your old girl deserves to retire and you deserve a new PC.
And I bet the new one will not cost any more than the old one did.

I agree but her days are not done just not going to travel the globe, She will be put to rest her in her home and will live out her days in a nice green pasture.
My desktop is a real powerhouse. On this computer I have interviews of old, of Charles and so many old pik's form LGF some are of the days of long lost of LGF unless you know where to find them.

393 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:37:20pm

Note to moonbats. Ignore direct commands from police officers at your own risk. They are not afraid to use force when words don't work.

394 Gumby  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:37:45pm

re: #391 sparrowlake

That is an uplifting comment.

FGF.... taking care of women one droop at a time....

(ducking and diving)

395 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:38:08pm

re: #391 sparrowlake

That is an uplifting comment.

I'm sure buzzsaw will be grateful for your support

396 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:38:22pm
397 spidly  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:40:22pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?

that looks like more than doobage impairment.

398 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:40:27pm

Went through a Hurricane once where the wind gauge closest to my home, about half a mile away, broke at 130mph. The one at 3,000 feet, about 15 miles away, broke at 227. Not a single wind station in the entire county, including the Navy and the air National Guard survived.Not one. Now that was a bad storm.

399 mich-again  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:40:41pm

The litany of trumped up accusations against Sarah Palin in all the usual moonbat publications are starting to sound like Chuck Norris jokes.

400 baxtrice  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:41:13pm

re: #386 Noam Sayin'

How can you tell with P. Diddy has smoked too much weed?

Don't you love how he's telling John McCain what to do? Like John McCain has no right to make his own decisions?

Fascism, baby. It's coming.

401 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:41:36pm

re: #383 Outrider

Hope someone got a screen shot.

BBL, lizards

402 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:42:24pm

re: #348 Outrider

OT but needing assistance.

Did anyone get a screenshot of the Palin entry at Wikipedia a few days ago? I went back to get the information on charges filed against her brother-in-laws (open beer container while in a police car, tazoring his son, numerous traffic violations, etc) that he had ADMITTED to when fighting his suspension.

Problem is; the entire Wiki article has been re-written and in a decidedly biased manner. This information is no longer present. No surprise there.

You can head into the page history and compare it to an older version. Click the bubble on the left for the newest revision, and click the bubble on the right for the one you're looking for. Then just hit the Compare button and you're off.

I'd do it for you and just send you to the comparison page, but I'm not sure how long ago the page you're looking for was there. You would probably know best. ;)

403 mojoe  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:42:32pm

I think every one is missing the point about why the police were so insistent about getting the crowd to back off.
The mob was creating a dangerous situation. The possibility of spooking the Police horses could cause serious injury to a police officer or a civilian in the crowd.


Man dies after being struck by Police horse

404 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:42:37pm
405 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:42:53pm

re: #379 buzzsawmonkey

Is Palin getting support from the Foundation Garment Foundation?

It will provide a solid Anchorage.

406 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:02pm

re: #388 buzzsawmonkey

I'm betting one of those corsets with whalebone stays, too, what with her being in Alaska and all.

Whalebone stays are such a waist.

407 pat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:09pm

re: #399 mich-again

The litany of trumped up accusations against Sarah Palin in all the usual moonbat publications are starting to sound like Chuck Norris jokes.

I here after her water broke she piloted plane from Texas to Alaska, the walked from the airport to a cave in her home town to have the cub.

408 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:15pm

re: #396 buzzsawmonkey

"You really think we gonna let you win this election?"

Stick it, Sean.

"Let" us win, eh? How's he gonna live up to that?

409 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:35pm
410 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:43:49pm

re: #357 Gumby

Yeppers... gotta get that story..... /channeling Gerry Rivers...

No need to channel him, he's in New Orleans with Shep.

/why should people evacuate if they're going to let these dildos stay and ride it out?

411 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:44:18pm

re: #402 Fat Jolly Penguin

Crap. I screwed up. Click the right bubble for the most recent revision, and the left bubble for the older one.

*facepalm*

412 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Aug 31, 2008 6:44:21pm