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Breaking: Palin's 17-Year Old Daughter Pregnant

Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:20:51 am PDT

Fox News just announced that Sarah Palin’s 17-year old unmarried daughter is pregnant... she plans to marry the father... developing...

UPDATE at 9/1/08 9:28:55 am:

The McCain campaign knew about it:

Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter’s pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.

This comes right after James Dobson and other Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

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1 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:21:33am

Well damn. Guess I'm not voting for McCain/Palin this fall.

/

2 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:22:35am

Is this some kind of joke?

3 Orangutan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:22:45am

Even her daughter is aggressive!

4 wiffersnapper  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:03am

She has more responsibility in her than a 40 year old pro-choice feminist

5 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:09am

Oh, in that case I vote for Obama.
NOT!

6 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:09am

There's nothing on FNC about it.

7 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:11am

I wonder if this confirms the Daily Kos story, makes a whole new one, or will meet somewhere in the middle?

8 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:12am

How dare she marry the father and not have an abortion!
/

9 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:12am

MSNBC has a full story on the developing situation with Bristol Palin, who will be marrying the father. The Palins want the media to respect their children's privacy.

10 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:14am

Now we get to see how "liberal" liberals really are.

11 HBob  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:24am

The balance of power in the free world hinges on the ability of one teenager to keep her legs crossed.

I think not.

12 6pat6  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:41am

Sounds like she is doing the responsible thing, much to the dismay of the Jackass Party - I'm sure they'd rather her zip out for an abortion, then shack up with her boyfriend.

13 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:42am

re: #9 lawhawk

MSNBC has a full story on the developing situation with Bristol Palin, who will be marrying the father. The Palins want the media to respect their children's privacy.

That only applies to liberals children.........

14 wiffersnapper  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:42am

So does this make Sarah a GILF?

15 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:53am

That baby will be born into a beautiful family. Lucky child.

16 Citizen Duck  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:24:02am

Well dang. I sure didn't see that one coming.

17 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:24:09am

re: #14 wiffersnapper

So does this make Sarah a GILF?

*whack*

18 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:24:21am

It'll help seal my vote if she keeps the kid.

19 dhimmipower  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:24:24am

If the father is Barack, I am heading for the bar! (ok I was anyway, but now this is for real)

20 BrianA  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:24:33am

re: #10 jcm

Now we get to see how "liberal" liberals really are.

How low will they go?

21 jorline  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:08am

Hey...shit happens. Has nothing to do with her ability to be the future VP.

22 jamihabs  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:13am

Will she be punished with a baby?

23 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:14am

Let's see how the Palins handle it - they obviously knew about it going into the Friday speech. As did Bristol. And they didn't look rocked or panicked.

Perspective is called for here. Theirs is a regular family with its ups and downs, and challenges life brings. How they respond in this will show their character and class, and their love and support for their daughter and grandchild.

And oh yeah - the nutroots will be crowing about this. But just with the debunked "Trig is Bristol's" crap, they will show their true colors. Black-heartedness.

24 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:16am

Any UK lizards in the house? Chanel 4 Dispatches is showing the sequel to Undercover Mosque tonight. It would be great if someone would record it for us.

25 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:16am

re: #18 laZardo

She intends to keep the child and marry the father. Expect the usual assortment of redneck jokes to come out of the woodwork, including the shotgun wedding variety.

26 Big Steve  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:27am

Up on KOS already and guess what, they think this 'hurts' their cause. Also quoting that McCain knew and this was forced out, by, non other than Kos.

27 6pat6  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:28am

They'll go plenty low, I'm quite certain. Any second now...

28 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:35am

This isn't any different from how Obama started out. Except for the marriage part. Let's see the hypocrisy on this one.

"It's horrible that Sarah Palin won't be devoting her time to planning the wedding."
'Cause that's what us good mother chicks should be doing you know.
/

29 itellu3times  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:37am

John Edwards?

30 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:26:24am

Oh, man. This is so not my business!

If they're getting married, fine. If they're not getting married, fine. Not my affair.

31 faraway  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:26:28am

FightThePalinSmears.com has links and updates.

32 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:26:36am

re: #25 lawhawk

That's good. Definitely counters the usual tale of what usually happens during teen pregnancy romances.

33 Dan Tanna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:26:40am

Oh brother....
I guess in this internet age we get to see every moment in someones private life.
Could you imagine if we had blogs and 24 hour news during the Kennedy years?

Im sure the hypocritical lib media will begin the savaging........

34 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:07am

Suprised Planned Parenthood isn't rushing there to give her an abortion, if true. Hey DNC, fuck you.

35 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:10am
36 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:16am

Watching the press and Kos scum go after a 17 year old girl is going to be horrible.

37 mojoazul  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:25am

So now it begins. I think it will be a tactical error for the donks to go after Ms. Palin. Perhaps people will realize what the difference in the parties really is. Or not.

38 The_Moose_Overlord  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:28am

I've just determined that at the current rate of propagation, the earth could become "Palinized" within 48 months...

39 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:30am

Punished with a baby.

40 cblesz  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:31am

Dear God. Can the media get off of this crap? Why don't we talk about Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, etc...gimme a freaking break.

41 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:41am

re: #10 jcm

Now we get to see how "liberal" liberals really are.

Obama doesn't want his daughters burdened with child. We know what his daughter would do.

42 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:04am

Well as a Southern Baptist, conservative, Southerner, I say...

Congratulations, Bristol, I know you'll make a fantastic mother. You have superb role models in your parents. God bless you, the father, and your child.

43 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:28am

Well now kos kids look like assholes with their conspiracy theories.

They just forced a young woman to have to be outed for being pregnant when it is no one elses business.

What assholes.

44 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:35am

re: #14 wiffersnapper

*whackwhackwhackwhackwhackwhack*

45 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:44am

re: #9 lawhawk

MSNBC has a full story on the developing situation with Bristol Palin, who will be marrying the father. The Palins want the media to respect their children's privacy.

That seems like an odd way to fulfill a request for privacy.

46 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:51am

Shocking news.... Girl gets pregnant, first time in Human history a girl has ever gotten pregnant.... Stop the presses, Sarah Palin must be a unfit mother... Unfit to be VPOTUS because her daughter got pregnant.... /s

47 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:55am

re: #39 Rancher

Yeah, we all know what the Messiah would do.

48 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:27am

Again the left's negative response will highlight their hypocrisy.

49 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:34am

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

Why is this a problem?

The left will spin this as evidence of conservative hypocrisy. "See the all American family!"

They are going to shoot themselves in the foot with this.

50 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:35am

re: #26 Big Steve

Up on KOS already and guess what, they think this 'hurts' their cause. Also quoting that McCain knew and this was forced out, by, non other than Kos.

Stupid. If McCain knew, and I'm pretty sure he did, there's nothing to the story. Bristol's getting married. Big whoop. A lot of young women blow it. It happens.

If anyone really is going to get up in arms about this, it's going to backfire.

51 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:37am

re: #44 MandyManners

*whackwhackwhackwhackwhackwhack*

Heh heh heh, yes, whack em good for even needing to ask.....

52 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:38am

re: #42 gop_patriot

Well as a Southern Baptist, conservative, Southerner, I say...

Congratulations, Bristol, I know you'll make a fantastic mother. You have superb role models in your parents. God bless you, the father, and your child.

I predict that Bristol Palin will have the world's largest baby shower.

53 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:50am

re: #43 Typicalwhitey

Well now kos kids look like assholes with their conspiracy theories.

Redundancy.

54 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:30:01am

re: #44 MandyManners

*whackwhackwhackwhackwhackwhack*

That's gonna' leave a mark.

55 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:30:02am

Sorry, is this somehow supposed to be a deal-killer? Because it's not.

56 StinkHammer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:02am

Umm -- forgive my crassness, here -- but so the fuck what if she's pregnant?

57 BrianA  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:04am

re: #43 Typicalwhitey

Well now kos kids look like assholes with their conspiracy theories.

They just forced a young woman to have to be outed for being pregnant when it is no one elses business.

What assholes.

The Alinskyites like Kos have no problem outing innocents. Ridicule is their main weapon.

58 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:05am

re: #53 MarkX

Redundancy.

kossholes.

59 kynna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:09am

McCain knew when he made the pick. Another plus for the man I used to hate.

I love their statement to the press. I love that her daughter is going to marry the father of her baby. I hate that she's pregnant and I wish she'd made smarter choices, but this baby is being born into a family of incredible love and honor.

The leftist twits heads will explode. That should be fun to see. First they make the scurrilous accusations and now watch them freak on the daughter further.

Lawsy I hope they get sued.

60 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:12am

Accidents make people happen.

61 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:13am

I'm sure the Alan Colmes Septic Tank Brigades will be cackling with glee with this one, saying it spotlights the hypocracy of the party that preaches 'Family Values'....

For the record, when was the last time anyone heard a GOP candidate run on the 'family values' platform?

62 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:21am

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

It's not. But I bet you Kos diarists begin posting hysterical nonsense before an hour has passed.

63 vagabond trader  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:21am

Not my business and certainly not that of the dems. My only concern is losing the conservatives.

64 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:37am

re: #58 jcm

Kos Kids Klub?

65 mojoazul  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:38am

re:#43 TW
I think you may have angered assholes everywhere.

66 eaglewingz08  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:06am

THIS IS MSNBC shills for Obamanation which probably ran the libel that Sarah's baby was actually her daughter's child that she hushed up. Now they just change the meme, after irrefutably being shown that Sarah was visibly preggers back in February 2008 and that the supposed photo showing a 'pregnant' Bristol was taken back in 2006 (which would be an uncommonly long pre-natal gestational period under any circumstances) to make it a current pregnancy. I doubt there is any truth to the story, and it is just part of the lib meme that conservatives and repubs are hypocrites and evil. Will wait for future updates on this from reputable (non DNC/Obama) sources.
If this story is false, as I believe it is, this would be twice that the media has libelled Bristol in three days. I would have her get a good lawyer and sue the bastards. She's not in the campaign and has not done anything to make herself newsworthy or a public figure. You go girl!

67 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:06am

re: #57 BrianA

The Alinskyites like Kos have no problem outing innocents. Ridicule is their main weapon.

Alinksy Rule #13:
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it (Alinsky 1972: 130).

68 Glaucon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:21am

Barack was also conceived by a teenage mother, except in that case the father was already married to another woman.

69 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:26am
70 StinkHammer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:34am

re: #39 Rancher

Punished with a baby.

Oh, that's a good one! :^)

/Wish I'd thought of it....

71 BrianA  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:37am

re: #53 MarkX

Redundancy.

That's an insult to assholes.

72 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:21am

Karl Rove conjured up Gustav as a diversionary tactic so that when the news leaked, we'd all be focused on New Orleans.

YOU MAGNFICENT BASTARD!

73 TheSpartan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:28am

Obama's mother was an unwed teenager.

If the DEMs jump all over this they will be eaten alive.

74 txcamper  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:29am

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

75 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:36am

re: #61 Fenway_Nation

I'm sure the Alan Colmes Septic Tank Brigades will be cackling with glee with this one, saying it spotlights the hypocracy of the party that preaches 'Family Values'....

For the record, when was the last time anyone heard a GOP candidate run on the 'family values' platform?

I'd say to Colmes and his fellow slimeballs, how is it not "family vaues"? You teach your kids but at some point they go out on their own. The values come in with her marrying the father and taking responsibility for her actions. Those show excellent values. Much better than running around dressed as a pink statue of liberty harassing the police.

76 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:36am

All this crap is going to backfire on them ...

Civilized Americans do not attack women and children. Verbally or otherwise.

77 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:45am

Like outing gay Republicans while professing to respect gay rights.

78 Reno911  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:48am

As the father of a young woman. I can tell you that all you can do as parent is guide therm and hope they make good decisions. This is an internal, private family issue and the reaction of the left will speak volumes.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Democrat.

79 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:49am

re: #56 StinkHammer

Umm -- forgive my crassness, here -- but so the fuck what if she's pregnant?

Careful with the puns, mister.

/jk

80 semper Gumbi  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:00am

re: #66 eaglewingz08

Um, according to Fox News, the McCain campaign has confirmed that the oldest daughter is, indeed pregnant.

81 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:21am

re: #63 vagabond trader

Not my business and certainly not that of the dems. My only concern is losing the conservatives.

Anyone with a lick of sense knows that while you can raise a child in the right way, a parent cannot be with a child 24/7.

82 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:22am

re: #45 galloping granny

It's odd only because they didn't want rumors to be circulated that might cause other troubles. The fever swamps have already been running rampant with all manner of rumor and innuendo, and they put out a brief statement to quell any further stories on point.

More here.

83 realwest  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:24am

CHARLES: " It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter."
It would be far more interesting, I think, to hear from Obama about this - you know the Obama who bitched and moaned about how neither his wife nor kids were to be used for campaign purposes?!

84 runrabbitrun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:35am

Already the theory is out that this is Bristol's second child by the dad....

If Sarah doesn't put out those evidential records of her pregnancy with Trig TODAY (amnio, sonogram, blood) I think this won't play out well.

85 Jake Sisko  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:45am

Not a big deal to me, but it's better for this to go public now, rather than the weekend before the election like Bush's DUI.

86 mich-again  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:54am

Curiouser and curiouser. I can't say this is a good thing for the campaign. A big distraction to say the least. And it will bring up the question of Is mom too busy with her career to stay involved enough with the kids. No male politician would get that kind of scrutiny but I have the sense that its different for female candidates. Not that its fair, but it is what it is.

87 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:54am

re: #74 txcamper

And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

You mean they weren't already?

88 BrianA  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:55am

re: #74 txcamper

It will be a lot easier if Grandma is the Veep.

89 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:09am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Celebrity families get a special exemption for mockery.

/hrrrrgh

90 jamihabs  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:09am

Palin should come forward, let the country know they will be welcoming this child into the world and that her daughter is not being “punished with a baby”!

91 StinkHammer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:24am

re: #75 livefreeor die

The values come in with her marrying the father and taking responsibility for her actions. Those show excellent values.

Excellent point. Personal responsibility being the lynchpin of a conservative political ethos.

92 kynna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:26am

Seems to me 'Family Values' starts with having the kid in the first place. The choice to have the baby is the foundation of the term.

If McCain loses conservatives over this, then those people aren't conservatives. And they need to look back at their own family trees.

I'll just say this. My grandma was exactly 15 years older than my mom. It happens. It's what you do after it happens that matters.

93 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Again--so what? She got pregnant, and she's marrying the father. That's a hell of a lot more "American family" than the Britney Spears saga, the spate of bastard children which seem to have replaced lapdogs as the pets of choice in Hollywood, or the pregnant children who leave their babies in the trash at the prom.

I agree with you.

Carville will spout on a talking head show, "Who are the republicans to talk about moraility?"

They will try to make it an issue. Most people will be turned off by attacks on the daughter.

94 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:31am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Again--so what? She got pregnant, and she's marrying the father. That's a hell of a lot more "American family" than the Britney Spears saga, the spate of bastard children which seem to have replaced lapdogs as the pets of choice in Hollywood, or the pregnant children who leave their babies in the trash at the prom.

You know, right through most of the 60s women in this country tended to marry young, often straight out of high school. Babies followed.

95 mean Gene  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:37am

The hypocrisy of the left will become even more apparent over this.
As said above, how dare she not have an abortion.
Or how dare she not go on the dole.
It is so pathetic.
Obama's entire constituency are people who've had abortions AND are on the dole, (and the paper pushers who enable them) but woe to the republican who takes the high road.

96 Old Hippie Vet  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:44am

BFD

The daughter isn't running of any office.


It's nice to know someone is having sex.

97 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:45am

And this matters.....how?

98 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:50am

re: #66 eaglewingz08

The campaign has announced that Bristol is about 5 months along.

Is it ironic that the announcement is on Labor Day?

99 little boomer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:58am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

Bingo.

100 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:05am
101 DistantThunder  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:10am

Why isn't this considered just another alternative lifestyle - married and pregnant?

102 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:18am

Oh, I hope the pregnancy is uneventful. If a miscarriage were to happen, I guarantee you that the left will claim she terminated the pregnancy.

103 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:26am

re: #63 vagabond trader

Not my business and certainly not that of the dems. My only concern is losing the conservatives.

Maybe its just me, but I think that times have truly changed and there just aren't that many of those around anymore, you know, the real stuffed shirt moralists.

I am a (fiscal) conservative and it will not matter one whit to me.

104 TheMatrix31  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:28am

An interestingly ironic twist, lol.

105 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:37am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

No one said this was going to be easy for her, and I haven't seen anyone extolling the wonders of teenage pregnancy. Her parents seem like good people who would support her getting her education. The "great news" is that her family didn't throw her out on her own or force her to do something she doesn't want to do. They love her and support her.

106 6pat6  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:38am

Geez, back in the day, 17 was a NORMAL marrying age for a young woman. Why do people think that, in this allegedly "enlightened" age (especially Libs) that a 17-year-old woman gets pregnant is somehow news? Regardless how famous her parents are! In the human race, seventeen is a normal age to begin. However, with our Lefty friends wanting to treat people as kids until they are at least 35, and the fact she plans to marry AND keep the baby, the Leftards are simply apoplectic about it!

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

107 Truck Monkey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:41am

This is Plugz' opportunity to use this against Sarah Palin much the same way the Silky Pony used the Cheney gay daughter against Dick Cheney...... probably to the same effect.

108 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:46am

Well, gee, the evangelicals wouldn't do something like hand the election over to the democrats over a trifle like this, right?

109 vapig  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:58am

re: #42 gop_patriot

Well as a Southern Baptist, conservative, Southerner, I say...

Congratulations, Bristol, I know you'll make a fantastic mother. You have superb role models in your parents. God bless you, the father, and your child.

Well said and Ditto!

110 GorgonBEgone  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:05am

The moral to the story?

Those without will cast stones at those with.

Another non event to be exploited for a few
greedy votes?

111 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:09am

re: #83 realwest

CHARLES: " It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter."
It would be far more interesting, I think, to hear from Obama about this - you know the Obama who bitched and moaned about how neither his wife nor kids were to be used for campaign purposes?!

He will see no problem, it is is NOT his wife or kid. Until he is calle dou ton it then its.. I had no idea that my (fill in the blank) had these thoughts then under the bus they go.

112 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:28am

re: #84 runrabbitrun

If Sarah doesn't put out those evidential records of her pregnancy with Trig TODAY (amnio, sonogram, blood) I think this won't play out well.

Much better to let the left spout their hate for awhile and then squash them.

113 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:44am

re: #25 lawhawk

She intends to keep the child and marry the father. Expect the usual assortment of redneck jokes to come out of the woodwork, including the shotgun wedding variety.

My shotgun wedding joke.

[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]

114 GregInSeattle  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:52am

Not good, but hopefully not too bad.

115 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:54am
116 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:55am

re: #93 jcm

They will try to make it an issue. Most people will be turned off by attacks on the daughter.

Agreed.

If the Dims go there it will backfire. Big time.

117 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:06am

re: #102 MandyManners

Oh, I hope the pregnancy is uneventful. If a miscarriage were to happen, I guarantee you that the left will claim she terminated the pregnancy.

Mandy, if she terminated the pregnancy she would be a hero with the Left.

118 semper Gumbi  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:09am

re: #90 jamihabs

See Lawhawk's link in post 82

119 realwest  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:11am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey
"re: #49 jcm

The left will spin this as evidence of conservative hypocrisy. "See the all American family!"

They are going to shoot themselves in the foot with this.

Again--so what? She got pregnant, and she's marrying the father. That's a hell of a lot more "American family" than the Britney Spears saga, the spate of bastard children which seem to have replaced lapdogs as the pets of choice in Hollywood, or the pregnant children who leave their babies in the trash at the prom."

What about the fact that Obama's mother was a teenager who was unwed when she gave birth?

120 SteveC  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:15am

re: #47 MarkX

Yeah, we all know what the Messiah would do.

And the Chosen One spoke, and He said "Verily, verily I say unto you, had this been my child, I would personally drive her to the nearest Planned Parenthood office, so that she could lay down this heavy burden. But because the young one is the offspring of Palin, one of the great unwashed, she has been cursed with a curse that even I, The Great One, cannot remove." And his minions spoke into their golden microphones and the Word was heard throughout the land.

121 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:21am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

Get over it. No it isn't "great news" but it also is not an utter tragedy either. Teenagers get pregnant. They have babies. Or abortions. Is it hard to be a young parent? Sure. But it is hard to be a first time parent at ANY age.

It all goes to personal responsibility. If you play, then sooner or later you will pay. Bristol and her young man decided to play. Now they are taking responsibility, which is exactly what good parents teach their children to do.

122 DistantThunder  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:30am

AS for the baby I say: Hurrah! One more conservative!

To liberals I say: Please continue to abort your babies! (This is intended for cognitive dissonance purposes only!)

123 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:31am

re: #40 cblesz

Dear God. Can the media get off of this crap? Why don't we talk about Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, etc...gimme a freaking break.

Heh. I think that's the whole point.

124 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:31am

re: #74 txcamper

You have a point. It's not going to be easy. However, this isn't brand-new to the Palin family, and I'm certain there has already been discussion and planning.

It really isn't any of our affair, but the press is going to make it our affair.

125 libertexian  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:36am

And this folks, is learning creationism in high school. The base should be electrified.

126 valkyrie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:39am

Bristol will have to grow up faster than I'm sure her family would have hoped but will do just fine with the support of a good family around her. She'll have a much richer life in the long run than others her age who will be tempted to extend their adolescence well into their 30s and possible 40s.

127 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:43am

re: #80 semper Gumbi

"If it's on Faux News, it must therefore not be true and thus makes her an example of an 'all-American' family!"

/moonbat logic off, grrrrnh

128 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:44am

re: #14 wiffersnapper

So does this make Sarah a GILF?

Smack!

129 RoughRider  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:57am

"Palin's daughter is apparently not a lesbian, unlike Dick Cheney's daughter.... who is a lesbian."

/J F'n K

130 kynna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:39:08am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

We are all concerned for Bristol and, if you read the comments of the past two days, you'll see that. Sure this is an 'oh shit' moment, but is it not a blessing that the girl is having the baby and marrying the father? Sure could be worse.

It's great news because there will be a baby at the end of it. A beautiful child brought forth into a loving family. I'm thrilled that it's not going to end in bloody pieces in a trash can. Does that make me callous? Nope. I see beyond the 'oh shit' to the wondrous possibilities. You should try it some time.

131 wong fei hung  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:39:13am

I feel disgusting.

This election is going to be a watershed event.

A lot more people who have been in the dark about politics will see the left-wing modus operandi for what it really is:

Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists.

F***ING HYPOCRITES.

-WFH

132 de La Valette  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:39:23am

re: #52 galloping granny

Cheney should host it at the Naval Observatory.

133 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:39:28am

I can smell the misogyny bubbling up from the left-wing fever swamp..
here is comes...

Kinda funny that this is reported right after the jackass Excitable Andy and KOS just made colossal fools of themselves.

134 jones  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:39:58am

Busy news weekend. I'm beginning to miss the Clinton days when nothing bad ever happened and I could watch soap operas all day.


/

135 Truck Monkey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:05am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

I couldn't agree more. The only thing missing in this equation is the double wide trailer and the cars up on blocks in the front yard. The Palin family will be tested by this more than I think they realize. Prayers go out to all of them as I am sure this isn't "good" news for their family.

136 kansas  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:10am

The wife and I at 60 are raising our 16 year old grand daughter who arrived by similar circumstances. Greatest thing that ever happened to us. I donated to McCain/Palin using Pay Pal, and volunteered for yard signs and phone tree.

137 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:17am

re: #129 RoughRider

LOL.

You're a bad boy...

138 ShumBaayaMyLord  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:26am

Re #68 Glaucon

That is absolutely brilliant! Spot on and pithy into the bargain. I really hope that someone in the McCain/Palin campaign has that quip at the ready.

139 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:40am

Who's the daddy?

140 Vero  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:42am

lucky my girlfriend of 16, now my wife of 33 years didn't get "with child" back all those years ago. I sure as hell aint going to judge someone's ability to lead over what their daughter did.

Throw the first stone sort of thingy - I would bet the ranch that the ones on KKKKKos screaming abou this has had a dozen sex partners out of wedlock

141 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:58am

re: #84 runrabbitrun

Nonsense. She shouldn't dignify that vile story with any response.

142 wintercat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:03am

Will Obama call for people to leave Palin's family out of this as he has asked for his own to be exempt from scrutiny? I hope so.

Having a pregnant daughter is a heartbreak for many American families. Does that mean Palin is not eligible to take the #2 slot? Not in my view. Yes, the KOS folks and the Alan Combs of the world will attack her with even more furer than before. So what? This just shows that they don't walk the talk.

I am only interested in what Palin herself has done as a matter of public policy and so far, from what I have seen, she looks pretty good.

143 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:07am

re: #62 Dianna

It's not. But I bet you Kos diarists begin posting hysterical nonsense before an hour has passed.

What a load of trash they are.

144 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:20am

There are no perfect people and the sooner the democrats put this non issue behind them the better. Who are they to sling mud at anyone?

The fact that she's doing the honorable thing by not "getting rid" of her "mistake" speaks volumes about her own character and upbringing.

145 nikis-knight  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:23am
It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

Yes, but I don't think it will be scathing. Pretty much everyone, even every Christian, knows someone who has grown, or near so, children who make stupid decisions due to a weak moment, or knew someone who did at one point.

Having a weak moment, or a child who does, is quite different from spurning virtue altogether! The important thing is what happens after, of course. 17 is young to get married, but no reason why it can't work.


BTW, hamsters doing okay today? LGF seems slow to me.

146 christheprofessor  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:35am

Good thing Bristol's mother is part of the Republican ticket. Otherwise, she'd be looking at the undercarriage of a bus right about now...

147 StinkHammer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:41am

I must be naive, 'cause I'm really not seeing how this is supposed to be seen as a huge detriment among the voting populace. I mean, how does it negate Palin's personal qualifications to be veep?

But then, I do tend to think rationally about such things.

148 Charles  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:43am

(I could not possibly care less about this news, by the way.)

149 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:42:29am

re: #92 kynna

Yes if we were to look in all of our families I am sure everyone of us has a ancestor who gave birth less than nine months after their wedding. It is a fact of life always has been always will be young men and young women are attracted to each other. So this is going to happen, it is what you do after you discover you are pregnant that shows your true character

150 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:42:30am

re: #136 kansas

The wife and I at 60 are raising our 16 year old grand daughter who arrived by similar circumstances. Greatest thing that ever happened to us. I donated to McCain/Palin using Pay Pal, and volunteered for yard signs and phone tree.

Like I posted on another thread. This situation happens in many, many families (my included) in America.

If the Dims make this an issue, it will backfire.

Big time.

151 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:42:38am
152 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:42:49am

This won't deter the dems from making scurrilous attacks on the daughter. The dems demand forgiveness for their sins while they vilify conservatives for their sins. Disgusting. Give the Palins and their children some privacy on this issue.

153 GregInSeattle  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:08am

re: #148 Charles

Then why is posted on your very, very popular (and good) blog?

154 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:12am

This is a family matter. It has nothing to do with this election. Just as Chelsea was off limits, just as Jenna and Barbara were off limits (after the MSM had a can of whup ass dumped on it) so should this be off limits.

155 mean Gene  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:20am

The United States is one of only two ethnically (mostly) European countries (Ireland is the other) with a replacement population growth rate.
I say, ''Good for the McCain's with their large family and the Palin's with their large family."
Liberals and their push to make child bearing and rearing looked down on have been de-populating themselves out of a majority.
(Which is why they cheat. ACORNs instead of real voters.)

156 runrabbitrun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:37am

Just like the Invesco Obamapalooza, it will prove a losing issue for the Dems, who are usually ecstatic for any Donk politician who has stood behind abortion for raped ten year olds with no parental/legal notification, is happy to support San Fran values, and free love people who started sleeping with underage circus troupes (plus the elephants) at age 8.

And just like the Obamapalooza, the American people will have a three day memory span for this kind of info, then Joe Biden will stick his hoof in his mouth, and a new news cycle will begin.

157 ccrnyc  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:51am

hawt.

158 semper Gumbi  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:56am

re: #139 MandyManners

Who's the daddy?

The Palin family press release mentioned a boy named Levi.

159 jones  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:57am

Will KOS apologize for the incest smear?

No.

Will the media smear the Palins.

As if they weren't going to anyway.

I wish all involved best luck and I now move on to real issues..

160 Miss Trixie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:57am

So. Sweet Trig was born in April/May of this year and according to the kosholes Bristol is the mother. Here we are in September and she's pregnant again?

Either Bristol has extraordinary reproductive abilities or the kosholes need massaging with a clue by four.

*borrows Mandy's whacking paddle*

*whack*whack*whack*whack*whack*

Bloody idiots and it's really none of your business anyway.

Leeches, slugs and roaches the lot of ya.

161 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:06am

re: #147 StinkHammer

I must be naive, 'cause I'm really not seeing how this is supposed to be seen as a huge detriment among the voting populace. I mean, how does it negate Palin's personal qualifications to be veep?

But then, I do tend to think rationally about such things.

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

162 StinkHammer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:10am

re: #148 Charles

(I could not possibly care less about this news, by the way.)

You and me both.

Excuse me while I yawn.

163 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:11am
This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I have no doubts.

It is a known fact most folks of that political stripe advocate the family structure to be of the nuclear type.

From all outward appearances, their family appears to be the model of what a decent, all too human, American family should represent in 2008.

I don"t think the sewer gasses will be coming from the direction of Dobson, or anyone in that fold.

164 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #14 wiffersnapper

So does this make Sarah a GILF?

Ask the person next to you to slap you. Ugh.

165 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:19am

re: #121 galloping granny

Get over it. No it isn't "great news" but it also is not an utter tragedy either. .

I have two nieces from different sides of the family who have been "baby focused" since they were 4 years old. All they could talk about was having their own baby. This was way beyond just playing with dolls. Through their high school years, the parents watched them like hawks. Sure enough, right after high school, one 17, the other 18 got preggers and had their (first) babies. One got married, the other didn't want to then, nor does she now. They are in their mid-twenties now and each have 3 kids. Three bright, energetic, loving, caring kids. The one has a terrific marriage. They other a really successful home business (single mom AND entrepreneur).

Some girls/women are just baby focused. For them, babies are not "accidents" or "oopses," but long awaited blessings.

Not my choice, but it works for them!

166 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:21am

This past week has exposed many liberals for the misogynistic hypocrites they are.

167 kuffar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:43am

BRISTOL IS PREGNANT!

Congrats. This has no bearing on my vote. Infact it makes me wanna pull that lever even more. w00t!

Out of spite for "Punished with a Baby" Obama.

And to think, in elected national office, there is going to be a family and not a parental-offspring blood unit.

168 Flavia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:55am

The only remarks I've seen so far is that this is yet another failure of abstinence only education.

169 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:56am

re: #119 realwest

"re: #49 jcm

The left will spin this as evidence of conservative hypocrisy. "See the all American family!"

They are going to shoot themselves in the foot with this.

Again--so what? She got pregnant, and she's marrying the father. That's a hell of a lot more "American family" than the Britney Spears saga, the spate of bastard children which seem to have replaced lapdogs as the pets of choice in Hollywood, or the pregnant children who leave their babies in the trash at the prom."

What about the fact that Obama's mother was a teenager who was unwed when she gave birth?

I look far more at people handle misadventures in life. The left love the passage in Matthew about "he who is without sin cast the first stone." They never read a little farther along to "go and sin no more."

Call it "sin" from a Christian perspective, we recognize we are sinful by nature. We are to strive not to sin knowing we will fail. What's important is not the failure, but what we do afterward.

Take the religious view out of it. It's not as much the action that's problematic, it's the response to the consequence.

Conservatism takes responsibility. The Palin family is taking responsibility.

170 dahveed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:58am

This story has not one thing to do with how our executive branch will deal with national security, energy independence, fighting the war on terror, etc.

171 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:59am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Any UK lizards in the house? Chanel 4 Dispatches is showing the sequel to Undercover Mosque tonight. It would be great if someone would record it for us.

Not watching TV - but you might be able to watch it here after 24 hrs, thats tomorrow ...

172 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:59am

re: #161 MandyManners

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

I realized how stupid the logic is as I was writng that. But, there are people who believe that.

173 Alouette  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:05am

re: #130 kynna

We are all concerned for Bristol and, if you read the comments of the past two days, you'll see that. Sure this is an 'oh shit' moment, but is it not a blessing that the girl is having the baby and marrying the father? Sure could be worse.

It's great news because there will be a baby at the end of it. A beautiful child brought forth into a loving family. I'm thrilled that it's not going to end in bloody pieces in a trash can. Does that make me callous? Nope. I see beyond the 'oh shit' to the wondrous possibilities. You should try it some time.

Have some lemonade!

174 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:06am

re: #119 realwest

What about the fact that Obama's mother was a teenager who was unwed when she gave birth?

His Daddy was really committed though, marrying the mom while already married.

175 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:07am

re: #148 Charles

The media will flog this ad infinitum because of the salaciousness; the fever swamps will rake the muck; and life will go on.

At the end of the day, I hope that Bristol gives birth to a healthy baby and that she, her soon to be husband, and baby have as normal a life as one could expect from being in the limelight - warranted or unwarranted.

176 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:12am

re: #74 txcamper

I am concerned for her. But the thing is, it's a done deal. It's silly to waste time going "oh shit" when there's a baby on the way.

And I say this as someone who's been through what this young woman is going through when I was in my early 20s, and I was a single mother for 5 years. She's younger than I was, but I guarantee that I know what she's feeling and going through. Also, let's face it; it is a much different situation being young and pregnant these days, than it was 20 years ago, whether we like it or not.

177 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:15am

My oldest daughter is pregnant.

Her "fiance" with whom she was living dumped her two days after she told him.
We raised her right and her birth control failed.

I can understand what the Palins are going through and believe me it just makes them seem more real than ever.

And I am thrilled to be a soon to be grandma!

178 Charles  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:16am

re: #153 GregInSeattle

Then why is posted on your very, very popular (and good) blog?

Because it's news.

179 Luigi  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:28am

Is there any issue in public life that has nothing to do with sex?

180 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:29am

re: #155 mean Gene

The United States is one of only two ethnically (mostly) European countries (Ireland is the other) with a replacement population growth rate.
I say, ''Good for the McCain's with their large family and the Palin's with their large family."
Liberals and their push to make child bearing and rearing looked down on have been de-populating themselves out of a majority.
(Which is why they cheat. ACORNs instead of real voters.)

Are you implying that our country needs to stay majority white?

181 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:40am

re: #161 MandyManners

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

Barry's grandmom (the typical white one) had the same failure and things worked out pretty well for him

182 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:46:47am

My shotgun wedding joke (already posted elsewhere yesterday):

Here's an idea for a postmodern musical...Seven Fathers With Six Shotguns And A Kalashnikov!

Written by John Milius, directed by Francis Ford Coppola, with Robert Duvall as Colonel Gramps, R. Lee Ermey as Grampa Gunny.

"I love the smell of a wedding in the morning..."

183 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:46:55am

Sarah Palin is NOT a GILF!

She's a VPILF! There's even a website!
[Link: www.vpilf.com...]

184 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:46:55am

re: #167 kuffar

Infact it makes me wanna pull that lever even more. w00t!

I assume you mean in the voting booth. ;) /

185 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:02am

re: #125 libertexian

And this folks, is learning creationism in high school. The base should be electrified.

What?

186 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:17am

(Whew...the hamsters are working hard. took forever to get in) The only thing about this story that matters is how vicious the Kossacks and Madame Sullivan are going to be to that poor girl. In a good world Bristol and Levi would be allowed to privately go off and start the life they choose. In this one they will be besieged by the animals on the Left. bleh.

187 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:30am

re: #178 Charles

In which case, can we get a Gustav-makes-landfall thread?

/shout out to the Gulf Coast lizards

188 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:39am

re: #147 StinkHammer

I must be naive, 'cause I'm really not seeing how this is supposed to be seen as a huge detriment among the voting populace. I mean, how does it negate Palin's personal qualifications to be veep?

But then, I do tend to think rationally about such things.

The liberal, moonbat mind is hard the comprehend.

The thinking, I think, is that the 'Christian right' will shun Palin because she didn't raise her children morally correct.

(It's hard to try to understand the left's twisted thought processes)

189 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:41am
Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

I'm confused. Her water broke in Texas and sh flew to Alaska so her daughter, who was already in Alaska could give birth?
/still pondering last thread

190 GorgonBEgone  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:47am

re: #99 little boomer

You can eat the T*rd sandwich or toss it back in the face
of the media who exploit the garnish.

She made her bed earlier then most.
Why won't it work out?

Juno?

191 armytramp  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:55am

I am not seeing a problem for the campaign here.

I don't think Cheney's lesbian daughter was a big deal, either.

The only thing it points out to me is the hypocrisy of the Democratic party in trying to play this for advantage.

I knew this election would get ugly, but I had no idea how low people would go.

I've voted Democrat in the past, I voted for Clinton.

I doubt I will do so in future.

192 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:56am

I'm afraid this might be something of a momentum-buster. Too soon to be sure, though. The Dems ability to blow it can never be underestimated. But it doesn't help at all. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the evangelical influence (more like a strangle-hold) over the Republican party.

193 Rune  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:48:01am

> Palin's 17-Year Old Daughter Pregnant
Good for her. A bit young, but all children are a blessing - including those of a 18yo mother. And better a young mother than an old bitter woman cheated into postponing children past menopause. And she plans to marry the father. Also good.

194 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:48:24am

re: #172 MandyManners

I realized how stupid the logic is as I was writng that. But, there are people who believe that.


And I doubt that they will vote for McCain anyway.

195 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:48:26am

Meanwhile the Gustav news is better than expected.

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A weakened Hurricane Gustav slammed into the heart of Louisiana's fishing and oil industry Monday, avoiding a direct hit on flood-prone New Orleans and boosting hope that the city would avoid catastrophic flooding.

Wind-driven water was sloshing over the top of the Industrial Canal's floodwall, but city officials and the Army Corps of Engineers said they expected the levees, still only partially rebuilt after Hurricane Katrina, would hold. The canal broke during Hurricane Betsy and Hurricane Katrina, flooding St. Bernard Parish and the Lower 9th Ward.

Let's pray the trend continues.

196 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:48:46am

Incredible: Excitable Andy still is insisting that Palin prove she is the mother of Trig. Dumbass Andrew Sullivan can't so simple math.
Obviously - it is impossible for Bristol to have delivered in April and be five months pregnant now.

197 opnion  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:01am

OMG! Seventeen year old's are having sex! Who knew?
Why wasn't I informed?

198 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:13am

re: #175 lawhawk

The media will flog this ad infinitum because of the salaciousness; the fever swamps will rake the muck; and life will go on.

At the end of the day, I hope that Bristol gives birth to a healthy baby and that she, her soon to be husband, and baby have as normal a life as one could expect from being in the limelight - warranted or unwarranted.

All McCain camp has to do is play that sound bite of BHO and his "punished by a baby." Will make him look like a fool.

199 mean Gene  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:15am

re: #180 jordank

Nope, just pointing out that ethnic Europeans (who are mostly in Europe and LIBERAL) have been depopulating themselves out of existence for some time.
And noting the large families of the Republican ticket was just a perk.

200 de La Valette  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:16am

re: #67 jcm

That won't work on a fighter pilot - who is trained to act dynamically - no wonder McCain is in his OODA loop, BHO thinks this is an artillery duel.

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:28am

re: #130 kynna

We are all concerned for Bristol and, if you read the comments of the past two days, you'll see that. Sure this is an 'oh shit' moment, but is it not a blessing that the girl is having the baby and marrying the father? Sure could be worse.

It's great news because there will be a baby at the end of it. A beautiful child brought forth into a loving family. I'm thrilled that it's not going to end in bloody pieces in a trash can. Does that make me callous? Nope. I see beyond the 'oh shit' to the wondrous possibilities. You should try it some time.

That is the best way to describe this situation. Bravo!

202 runrabbitrun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:29am

re: #141 Dianna

Nonsense. She shouldn't dignify that vile story with any response.

You're right, I am just so outraged at the hypocrisy of the Dems and the unfairness of the smears.

To the press, the donks demanded 'hands off Amy Carter!', and 'hands off Chelsea Clinton! (as it should be absent criminality)', but then analyzing/videotaping every move made by the Bush twins, and now the same cruel scrutiny for the Palin children?

203 Truck Monkey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:31am

As an aside.... I can guess that maybe 80 to 85% of us could have, or maybe did end up in this very same situation. A percentage were smart, a percentage got lucky, and a percentage were "punished" with a baby. Not necessarily news in my book.

204 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:40am

re: #196 FrogMarch

Incredible: Excitable Andy still is insisting that Palin prove she is the mother of Trig. Dumbass Andrew Sullivan can't so simple math.
Obviously - it is impossible for Bristol to have delivered in April and be five months pregnant now.

Facts, schmacks! It's the seriousness of the charge that counts.
/

205 armytramp  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:42am

And by the way, good luck to Bristol with her child, and congratulations on the upcoming marriage.

206 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:49am

re: #170 dahveed

This story has not one thing to do with how our executive branch will deal with national security, energy independence, fighting the war on terror, etc.

We all know that, but the Democrats and their shills in the Media will be spending the next few days (weeks?) trying to convince us that it does.

207 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:50:20am

re: #181 calcajun

Barry's grandmom (the typical white one) had the same failure and things worked out pretty well for him

Yeah, and what thanks did she get?

The Messiah threw her under the bus.

208 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:50:35am

re: #198 Russkilitlover

All McCain camp has to do is play that sound bite of BHO and his "punished by a baby." Will make him look like a fool.

Not to mention the fact that Barry's mom got knocked up her freshman year in college. The story should not have legs.

209 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:50:36am

re: #204 jcm

Like facts had anything to do with Alan Colmes nonsensical ravings about Trig's Down's?

210 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:50:37am

Children are punishment /mistake - but stated nicely my THE ONE.

211 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:50:53am

re: #197 opnion

OMG! Seventeen year old's are having sex! Who knew?
Why wasn't I informed?

Well, none of us had any business knowing what her sex life was in the first place.

212 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:04am

re: #182 The Other Les

My shotgun wedding joke (already posted elsewhere yesterday):

Here's an idea for a postmodern musical...Seven Fathers With Six Shotguns And A Kalashnikov!

Written by John Milius, directed by Francis Ford Coppola, with Robert Duvall as Colonel Gramps, R. Lee Ermey as Grampa Gunny.

"I love the smell of a wedding in the morning..."

Guest starring Sacha Baron Cohen as the quirky foreigner.

/

213 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:08am

re: #169 jcm

I look far more at people handle misadventures in life. The left love the passage in Matthew about "he who is without sin cast the first stone." They never read a little farther along to "go and sin no more."

Call it "sin" from a Christian perspective, we recognize we are sinful by nature. We are to strive not to sin knowing we will fail. What's important is not the failure, but what we do afterward.

Take the religious view out of it. It's not as much the action that's problematic, it's the response to the consequence.

Conservatism takes responsibility. The Palin family is taking responsibility.

A thousand up-dings!

214 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:11am

I'm guessing the babydaddy's shoes have already been nailed to the floor. That's one family I wouldn't want to cross.

215 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:13am

re: #169 jcm

snip

Call it "sin" from a Christian perspective, we recognize we are sinful by nature. We are to strive not to sin knowing we will fail. What's important is not the failure, but what we do afterward.

snip

Amen. And these two young people will have to show great character indeed with the coming Libtard shitstorm.

216 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:28am

re: #195 jcm

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A weakened Hurricane Gustav slammed into the heart of Louisiana's fishing and oil industry Monday, avoiding a direct hit on flood-prone New Orleans and boosting hope that the city would avoid catastrophic flooding.

Shouldn't we thank Obama for boosting hope?

/yes we can!

217 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:43am

re: #200 de La Valette

That won't work on a fighter pilot - who is trained to act dynamically - no wonder McCain is in his OODA loop, BHO thinks this is an artillery duel.

McCain is so far inside Obama's loop, it's almost funny.

McCain is got commercials taking serious chunks of flesh, the Obama is side is going after the veeps daughter.

218 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:48am

re: #192 Salem

I'm afraid this might be something of a momentum-buster. Too soon to be sure, though. The Dems ability to blow it can never be underestimated. But it doesn't help at all. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the evangelical influence (more like a strangle-hold) over the Republican party.

I hope they remember Christ's admonition about throwing stones.

219 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:55am

The liberal press is looking for anything to drive Palin out of the race.
Give 'em hell, Sarah.

And they better put Secret Service on her husband before he does the honorable thing and punches one of these newstards out.

220 TXcamper  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:58am

Just saw the update that the campaign already knew about it and it was no biggie to McCain. That's a relief. A lesser candidate would have fed Palin to the wolves.

221 opnion  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:02am

re: #211 Perplexed

Well, none of us had any business knowing what her sex life was in the first place.

Exactly! Where is this relevant? I wish the kid the best.

222 kynna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:03am

I agree that it will be interesting to see how Barry responds to the attacks on Bristol Palin. She's not out there giving speeches like Michelle. She's only a part of the campaign in that she stands up for pics and holds the baby while mom's making a speech. She should be off limits.

223 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:06am

re: #183 DesertSage

Sarah Palin is NOT a GILF!

She's a VPILF! There's even a website!
[Link: www.vpilf.com...]

Thanks for the linky.

Bookmarked!

224 de La Valette  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:15am

The young groom to be had to go face the first dude ... I bet he can handle the media now.

225 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:21am

re: #197 opnion

OMG! Seventeen year old's are having sex! Who knew?
Why wasn't I informed?

It's the Republican VP candidates 17-year-old daughter, and that makes all the difference in the whirled.

226 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:33am

Tempest in a teapot.

As a mother of a pregnant daughter, I would be seriously pissed off if I had to address the issue of the left attacking my daughter.

And I think that most moms on here agree.

We can sympathize with Governor Palin. She just seems even more real.

After her speech at the RNC I believe this will be a non issue.

227 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:01am

re: #218 MandyManners

I hope they remember Christ's admonition about throwing stones.

Do they ever?

228 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:03am

re: #216 Fenway_Nation

Shouldn't we thank Obama for boosting hope?

/yes we can!

Obama's causing the sea levels to drop!
/we are the ones!

229 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:22am

re: #224 de La Valette

The young groom to be had to go face the first dude ... I bet he can handle the media now.

That would be a tough meeting, and not one I would want to do.

230 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:32am

re: #160 Miss Trixie

So. Sweet Trig was born in April/May of this year and according to the kosholes Bristol is the mother. Here we are in September and she's pregnant again?

Either Bristol has extraordinary reproductive abilities or the kosholes need massaging with a clue by four.

*borrows Mandy's whacking paddle*

*whack*whack*whack*whack*whack*

Bloody idiots and it's really none of your business anyway.

Leeches, slugs and roaches the lot of ya.

There are not enough Large Sicilian Gentlemen from New JerseyTM in the world to deal with the Kos-Kiddies.

231 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:36am

re: #193 Rune

> Palin's 17-Year Old Daughter Pregnant
Good for her. A bit young, but all children are a blessing - including those of a 18yo mother. And better a young mother than an old bitter woman cheated into postponing children past menopause. And she plans to marry the father. Also good.

My mother was (barely) 18 and pregnant with me when she married my father. They are still together 47 years later!

232 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:41am

I know the MSM will try to make this a huge thing: "You 'Family Values' people are hypocrites." How many people know people who have not done foolish or regretful things, made mistakes, and such? The question after the fact is what is being done now? Hopefully this girl has not been pressured into any course of action she is uncomfortable with, but after being given the facts, made an informed choice. I'm sure this will not be devastating to her future because she has a supportive family. It seems a non-issue to me.

Now if it were the president committing adultery in the Oval Office...nah, that wouldn't happen.

233 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:56am
"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.

Hmmmmm, a pattern.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

234 eaglewingz08  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:57am

If true, will Bristol name the kid Juno (from the film of same name) if a girl?

235 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:54:20am

re: #219 livefreeor die

The liberal press is looking for anything to drive Palin out of the race.
Give 'em hell, Sarah.

And they better put Secret Service on her husband before he does the honorable thing and punches one of these newstards out.

The secret service is desperately training agents to snowmobile, hunt etc... to be able to cover the Palin family.

236 Gang of One  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:54:38am

re: #14 wiffersnapper

So does this make Sarah a GILF?

**CLANG!**

/iron skillet in the face

237 Idle Drifter  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:54:48am

Teddy Roosevelt to Kos:

"It is not the critic (you know who you are) who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man (woman) stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man (woman) who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself (herself) for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he (she) fails, at least he (she) fails while daring greatly, so that his (her) place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

Edit and emphasis mine. I think it fits today's context quit nicely.

238 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:54:56am

Well, I'll hope for the best...

*sigh*

239 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:55:17am

re: #192 Salem

I'm afraid this might be something of a momentum-buster. Too soon to be sure, though. The Dems ability to blow it can never be underestimated. But it doesn't help at all. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the evangelical influence (more like a strangle-hold) over the Republican party.

You know, a lot of people are casting fearful glances at the "evangelical vote." But McCain's done a pretty good job of not pandering to them from day one. Besides - I know A LOT of Christian, evangelical folks with kids who get preggers, do drugs, drop out, etc. I sure hope we don't see hypocritical puritanism from any supposed "evangelical"!

240 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:55:28am

re: #234 eaglewingz08

If true, will Bristol name the kid Juno (from the film of same name) if a girl?


Maybe 'Juneau' after the Alaska capital.

/Isn't that a Palin family tradition?

241 Carolyn  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:55:45am

I am a Christian and it will not affect my vote in any way.
People make mistakes, at least she's not having an abortion.
Christians are not perfect, never thought we were.

242 jaunte  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:55:55am

Watching a bunch of Bill (just a blowjob) Clinton and John 'babydaddy' Edwards supporters huffing about a rival candidates' daughter having unmarried sex is a surreal inversion.

243 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:05am
244 fishbob  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:11am

re: #148 Charles

Thank you, Charles.....I really didn't think you did.

The story is totally pathetic and doesn't warrant discussion. The Dems are totally freaking out over Governor Palin. This lady is a fireball and they know it. The more they push, the more it will backfire on them. I can't wait to hear her speech soon!

245 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:13am

re: #234 eaglewingz08

If true, will Bristol name the kid Juno (from the film of same name) if a girl?

No, probably Juneau.

/I crack myself up

246 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:31am

re: #239 Russkilitlover

You know, a lot of people are casting fearful glances at the "evangelical vote." But McCain's done a pretty good job of not pandering to them from day one. Besides - I know A LOT of Christian, evangelical folks with kids who get preggers, do drugs, drop out, etc. I sure hope we don't see hypocritical puritanism from any supposed "evangelical"!

Good points. I hope you're right.

247 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:45am

I have question. How and where did Bristol do it? I mean, she had to be under some form of Trooper protection/watch. I really do not mean to make more of this than necessary, but the issue which might arise is whether the Palins used the Governor's office and resources to keep this quiet or to hide any possible misuse of the State's financial resources. The family morality issue is irrelevant; the issue that is bound to come up is some form of malfeasance allegation.

248 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:56am

re: #177 Typicalwhitey

My oldest daughter is pregnant.

Her "fiance" with whom she was living dumped her two days after she told him.
We raised her right and her birth control failed.

I can understand what the Palins are going through and believe me it just makes them seem more real than ever.

And I am thrilled to be a soon to be grandma!

Congratulations! My oldest daughter is 21 and very career-focused, so I suspect I'll be waiting a long time for grandchildren.

249 middlecon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:58am

Wow! this is a shocker...a very bold decision by Palin to go into this knowing she had a pregnant 17 year old and realizing what the attack dogs will say about abstinence education, abortion etc. If I was in a similar situation I probably would have politely declined to not have my daughter face it.

I think this will turn off a segment of the conservative voting population. Just my opinion.

I think McCain is a long shot anyway, but its alot closer than it should be.

250 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:02am

re: #214 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm guessing the babydaddy's shoes have already been nailed to the floor. That's one family I wouldn't want to cross.

Can you picture the poor kid walking in to tell your girlfriends mom and dad that you got their daughter pregnant, and they are both sitting in the den cleaning their guns.

251 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:08am
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.

Now that is a real man.

252 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:17am

re: #234 eaglewingz08

If true, will Bristol name the kid Juno (from the film of same name) if a girl?

Brought a smile to my face, even though not an LOL joke.

253 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:30am

You guys are missing the big picture.

Never once have the Palin family or Bristol herself said anything less then that this baby will be born, cared for and loved....which is a great thing!

Obama would consider this new human life a 'mistake' and worthy of being terminated.

254 Jimash  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:36am

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

Couldn't agree more.
The sight of people living it, makes them seethe and spit.

255 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:42am

re: #161 MandyManners

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

You can tell children all sorts of things. You can be the most spotless example who ever lived. Children, like adults, sometimes don't do the best or smartest things. How the daughter chooses to handle the situation will test the mettle of her character.

256 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:47am

re: #238 Salem

Well, I'll hope for the best...

*sigh*

Only radical fringe evangelicals will consider this a problem. The bulk of evangelicals (and I are one) won't. How the Palin's are handling it, keeping the baby getting married speaks more than the situation itself.

The number of fringe evangelicals will pale in comparison to main stream democrats who will be sickened by the attacks and not vote for Obama.

257 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:58am

re: #247 calcajun

I have question. How and where did Bristol do it? I mean, she had to be under some form of Trooper protection/watch. I really do not mean to make more of this than necessary, but the issue which might arise is whether the Palins used the Governor's office and resources to keep this quiet or to hide any possible misuse of the State's financial resources. The family morality issue is irrelevant; the issue that is bound to come up is some form of malfeasance allegation.

I believe she does not have a security detail as Governor. I'll check for the link.

258 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:58:22am

Obama is a smoker.

Obama refuses to release any of his medical records. What does Obama have to hide? Why won't Excitable Andy insist Obama release HIS medical records?

259 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:58:43am
260 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:58:46am

re: #92 kynna

My mother was an adopted baby. Thank God, that some respect life for what it is, a gift from God. Sounds like the Palins have accepted the responsibility & are going to take care of their gift (moonbats, read that as "problem", that is).

Take care!

261 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:59:22am

re: #217 jcm

McCain is so far inside Obama's loop, it's almost funny.

McCain is got commercials taking serious chunks of flesh, the Obama is side is going after the veeps daughter.

They can debate on issue because on the issues they are clearly wrong.


I just had a horrible thought, so go ahead and down tick me on it:

The Chicago Machine will now count the votes of the aborted.

262 Miss Trixie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:59:30am

The Other Les

There are not enough Large Sicilian Gentlemen from New JerseyTM in the world to deal with the Kos-Kiddies.

LOL!

*snort*

Gang of One

**CLANG!**

Thanks! Now I must clean off my monitor that's dripping with Fresca ...

263 Gang of One  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:59:39am

re: #61 Fenway_Nation

I'm sure the Alan Colmes Septic Tank Brigades will be cackling with glee with this one, saying it spotlights the hypocracy of the party that preaches 'Family Values'....

For the record, when was the last time anyone heard a GOP candidate run on the 'family values' platform?

Absolutely, Fen. This 'family values' meme sounds like something the LLL constructed after hearing conservative disagreement with their anti-life, pro-abortion, decadent lifestyle choices. What conservative in recent years, if ever, used the term 'family values'?

And isn't keeping a family whole and intact, regardless of when and how it came into being, valuable?

264 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:00:09am

re: #253 DesertSage

You guys are missing the big picture.

Never once have the Palin family or Bristol herself said anything less then that this baby will be born, cared for and loved....which is a great thing!

Obama would consider this new human life a 'mistake' and worthy of being terminated.

I have a feeling that won't be the media's take. And the media will drown out any attempt to sentimentalize this.

265 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:00:16am

the Spears sisters are not available for comment.

266 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:00:18am

re: #235 jcm

They will have memories that last a lifetime. Aurora Borealis, hunting, -50 temps, Polar bears, Moose. I wish them well.

267 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:00:57am

re: #253 DesertSage

You guys are missing the big picture.

Never once have the Palin family or Bristol herself said anything less then that this baby will be born, cared for and loved....which is a great thing!

Obama would consider this new human life a 'mistake' and worthy of being terminated.

No, I've known these facts. I think that the contrast between Palin attitude to life and Obama's will be a huge plus for her.

268 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:01:08am

re: #261 The Other Les

The Chicago Machine will now count the votes of the aborted.


*whack*
cleaning coffee off my keyboard and monitors.....

269 Cognito  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:01:59am
This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I don't think it will be particularly interesting.

Charles, I think you're making a classic agnostic mistake when it comes to the likes of James Dobson. He's got nothing against young mothers -- rather, I think he'll probably issue a statement of compassion, if anything.

Dobson, et al, feel that teenaged motherhood as a phenomenon isn't good for the country and its moral fiber, and just about anyone would agree. Who among us champions teen motherhood? But he has never, that I've seen, condemned any young woman as a person.

He's not Fred Phelps, a dribbling moron who hates people.

270 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:09am

I admit I had premarital sex with my wife. Guess I won't be getting that new job...

271 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:17am

re: #265 FrogMarch

the Spears sisters are not available for comment.

For the moment. Some photog will ask Britney about it before the day is out.

272 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:26am

Mrs. Palin can respond, if asked, as follows:

I will address this once and then I want the same privacy and respect shown to my children as are shown to Senators Obama and Biden.
I wish it were under different circumstances but my daughter and her fiance are taking responsibility for their child and their childs future.
And to tell you the truth....I am thrilled to be a soon to be grandmother! What a joy and a blessing this child will bring to our family!

273 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:26am

re: #247 calcajun

She also waved off a security escort, driving herself to and from work every day from the Anchorage suburb of Wasilla, about 45 miles away.

Link.

274 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:31am

Last thought because I've got to run: If Bristol is 5 months along, that would mean the baby's due around January. I hope Sarah doesn't have to choose between being by her daughter's side as she gives birth and attending the Inaugural Ball. Let's hope for a late December/early January due date.

275 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:35am

re: #161 MandyManners

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

Yep, exactly.

However - have they thought that this means they're now also all forbidden to ahve sex out of wedlock, and/or when stil legally a juvenile?

Thing is, for moonbats sex is totally divorced from reproduction, from what is or should be the result, from love, from family life.
Thats why they have to attack it so ferociously whee they see it: it turns their world view upside down.

276 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:36am

re: #232 David IV of Georgia

Republicans: We're Human, we don't pretend to be godlike superior beings who demand unquestioned obedience.

277 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:37am

re: #257 MarkX

I believe she does not have a security detail as Governor. I'll check for the link.

Please do. Keep in mind the issue with Bill Clinton; it was not that he had sex--it was that he perjured himself and obstructed justice. The issue here is not the Bristol is pregnant, but the accusations that Mom and Dad improperly used state resources to keep it under wraps. That's what we need to be prepared for.

Frankly, it would have been better to reveal this last Friday in Dayton with the lucky man by Bristol's side and an engagement ring on her finger. Provided the lucky man is a high school classmate and not a married state trooper.

278 jill e  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:04am

"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," [Obama] said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

How much easier to simply abort the baby! Palin and her family have chosen the much more difficult route by following what they believe to be right. That's the sort of person I want a "heart beat away from the presidency."

279 JSK1121  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:08am

OT: Any of you want to get in great shape? Check this out. I've been doing it for 5 weeks and look WAY better than Obama with my shirt off.

[Link: hundredpushups.com...]

280 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:12am

re: #266 Perplexed

They will have memories that last a lifetime. Aurora Borealis, hunting, -50 temps, Polar bears, Moose. I wish them well.

From what little gets talked about, most agents loved going to Reagan's and GWB's ranch. They're be plenty of agents willing to do duty on a Alaska hunting trip.

281 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:21am

re: #246 Salem

Good points. I hope you're right.

I see a lot less hypocrital puritanism from evangelicals than I do from the left.

282 Cognito  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:27am

P.S.: How disgusting it will be, if the Democratic side uses this -- a very personal moment in the life of a 17-year-old girl -- to its own political ends.

283 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:36am

How long before they start claiming that Todd is the father?

/like they did with Bristol/Trig

284 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:37am

re: #161 MandyManners

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

Yep, and as children/teens we always obeyed our parents. /s

There but for the grace of G_d go I.

285 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:49am

Picturing Sarah at the wedding, carrying a shotgun.

/kidding!

286 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:54am

re: #257 MarkX

I believe she does not have a security detail as Governor. I'll check for the link.

Palin has not used security for her or her family. She lives very modestly and drives her own car to and from as do all her family members.

287 Jake Sisko  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:55am

Forgot to add something to me earlier post...

"Congratulations Bristol & Levi!"

"and to the new grandparents!"

288 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:04:02am

Barry's mom had barry when she was what 18?

289 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:04:02am

re: #214 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm guessing the babydaddy's shoes have already been nailed to the floor. That's one family I wouldn't want to cross.

ROTFLMAO................Nailed to the floor, hell if the kid has one single functional brain cell in his head he did this to get her to marry him.... That's not a family you cross, its one you try like hell to become a member of.

290 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:04:09am

re: #272 Typicalwhitey

Mrs. Palin can respond, if asked, as follows:

I will address this once and then I want the same privacy and respect shown to my children as are shown to Senators Obama and Biden.
I wish it were under different circumstances but my daughter and her fiance are taking responsibility for their child and their childs future.
And to tell you the truth....I am thrilled to be a soon to be grandmother! What a joy and a blessing this child will bring to our family!

Exactly!
+1

291 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:05:38am

re: #258 FrogMarch

Obama is a smoker.

Back in my day that made you bad-ass cool.

292 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:05:39am
293 Carolyn  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:05:47am

I am so f'n sick of politics.
Go to New Orleans? Not go to New Orleans?
Have a shit fit about a pregnant teenager?
Use anything to destroy?
Bastards.

294 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:03am

re: #268 jcm

*whack*
cleaning coffee off my keyboard and monitors.....

Sorry.

295 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:03am

re: #282 Cognito

P.S.: How disgusting it will be, if the Democratic side uses this -- a very personal moment in the life of a 17-year-old girl -- to its own political ends.

YHGTBFK.

296 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:14am

re: #289 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO................Nailed to the floor, hell if the kid has one single functional brain cell in his head he did this to get her to marry him.... That's not a family you cross, its one you try like hell to become a member of.

Dorian
I must say your post almost made me cry, I don't know why.
What a beautiful thing to say!

297 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:26am

re: #235 jcm

The secret service is desperately training agents to snowmobile, hunt etc... to be able to cover the Palin family.

HaHaHaHA ... you'll love this ...
The ex worked one summer as chief cook in a church camp in the mountains. A black bear sow lived up-canyon. During the camping season, the manager would truck the kitchen scraps a mile up the dirt road and dump them. The bear knew, and would wait nearby. (object, to keep the bear out of the camp while kids were there)

Several of us rode up one evening on the food-dump errand. One was a neighbor of ours, whose son was working as kitchen help. This fellow was a SS agent, "on duty all the time", and carrying a snub-nose .357 in an ankle holster. We spotted the sow sitting in the gloom about 150 yards away up on the side of the canyon, waiting for us to leave.

I quipped to the fellow, if she comes down here, I'm getting behind you. He replied, quite seriously, that I would get run over.

298 Irving  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:33am

It is worth pointing out that Palin expressly advocates abstinence-only sex education programs - so yes, this story does indeed have some political relevance.

It'll be interesting to see if she modifies her views, seeing as abstinence only programs seem to have some notable failures.

299 ladycatnip  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:34am

#30 Dianna

Oh, man. This is so not my business!

If they're getting married, fine. If they're not getting married, fine. Not my affair.

Amen to that. The left needs to mind their own business, but it's so much easier to go after a 17 year old than go head-to-head with McCain/Palin.

300 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:07:33am

Charles: This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

301 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:07:35am
302 vapig  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:07:49am

re: #86 mich-again

Curiouser and curiouser. I can't say this is a good thing for the campaign. A big distraction to say the least. And it will bring up the question of Is mom too busy with her career to stay involved enough with the kids. No male politician would get that kind of scrutiny but I have the sense that its different for female candidates. Not that its fair, but it is what it is.

Actually, I think their attitude and actions since the discovery of their child's pregnancy speaks volumns about them as parents and human beings. They have wrapped their arms around her with love and support and are standing by her. Nothing is being said about this being a "mistake." Just that she is pregnant, will keep the baby and will marry the father.

Now - if we see a shotgun at that wedding........

//

303 LoFlyer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:07:55am

re: #249 middlecon

Wow! this is a shocker...a very bold decision by Palin to go into this knowing she had a pregnant 17 year old and realizing what the attack dogs will say about abstinence education, abortion etc. If I was in a similar situation I probably would have politely declined to not have my daughter face it.

I think this will turn off a segment of the conservative voting population. Just my opinion.

I think McCain is a long shot anyway, but its alot closer than it should be.

This is a non-issue to most Americans. Now if Govorner Palin had been screwing her financial comptroller on the desk, and lying to grand-juries about it, (Like the Mayor of Detroit) then we might have an issue. The Palins are handling this in a responsible manner, compared to the Clinton's and Edward's sex scandals, The Palin's are saints. This is not going to sit well with the American public. Democrats are hypocrites that do much worse than Miss Palin, and she is not running for office!
/frack the dems!

304 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:03am

re: #247 calcajun

I have question. How and where did Bristol do it? I mean, she had to be under some form of Trooper protection/watch. I really do not mean to make more of this than necessary, but the issue which might arise is whether the Palins used the Governor's office and resources to keep this quiet or to hide any possible misuse of the State's financial resources. The family morality issue is irrelevant; the issue that is bound to come up is some form of malfeasance allegation.

Premarital sex- Tougher in Alaska.

305 Dolce  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:09am

My daughter is 3 years old so chances are I won't be a grandmother for a while, but if she were pregnant at 17 I wouldn't see that as "punishment". I may prefer her to have the pregnancy experience when she is more able to enjoy it in all its aspects, but regardless of her marital status the child would be welcome. A child doesn't rule out higher education etc.

When I was younger and thought I had done the damage (it turned out I hadn't), my very upright and conservative parents were very positive about it - actually they were almost disappointed when no grandchild materialised.

I only hope Bristol doesn't marry because she feels she has to.

But all your sensible comments are so heart-warming - the perfect antidote to the current Democratic rants.

Sullivan has been odd for quite a while.

306 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:10am

re: #282 Cognito

P.S.: How disgusting it will be, if the Democratic side uses this -- a very personal moment in the life of a 17-year-old girl -- to its own political ends.

What do mean if?

307 Maximu§  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:13am

My wife got married to me while she was pregnant with our first son...so whats the big deal?

308 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:16am

re: #298 Irving

remember Nancy and her thoughts on stem cell research, or Cheney on gays.

309 jaunte  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:21am

re: #300 jordank

"allowed her child to do this"
That's a stretch.

310 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:24am

re: #288 pegcity

Barry's mom had barry when she was what 18?

Nevertheless, the couple married on February 2, 1961 in Maui, Hawaii.[6][1]

On August 4, 1961, at age 18, she gave birth to her first child whom she named Barack Hussein Obama II.

7 months..... not saying a thing.....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

311 jimc  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:38am
This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.


As an "evangelical" Christian, I can attest that the way they are handling this is only positive. Sure a young girl is pregnant out of wedlock but those without sin can cast the first stone, so I doubt anyone is in any danger of getting hit with a rock.

In fact, this situation only further proves the pro-life stance of the family, two pregnancies that the left would consider a "burden".

312 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:46am

re: #288 pegcity

Barry's mom had barry when she was what 18?

And if Obama is smart he'll bring that up to wish Bristol Palin all the best and dismiss the story. I hope he does that, it would be classy and show him as being able to relate to people who think differently from him.

313 cblesz  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:09:13am

This is such a non-story. We all know Barry would have driven one of his kids to the abortion clinic because he wouldn't want them to be burdened for a mistake.

Move on. Nothing to see here. This only brings up the "every family" Palin's again. The media is shooting themsleves in the foot.

314 lori lane  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:09:24am

re: #279 JSK1121


[Link: hundredpushups.com...]

ugh.

315 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:09:46am

The Liberals have no Idea they are speaking hypocrisy, Obama will come back and quote that maybe Palin's daughter may be "being punished with a baby." and is "bitter because of clinging to guns and religion." There are millions of teen mothers in America. My mother was one of them at the age of 17. My father was 18. It's more common than Liberals want to admit. The MSM plays off teen pregnancy like it's some kind of disease when young child birth is the world norm. Only elitists or the self absorbed scoff at pregnancy which is why countries in Europe have falling populations.

The MSM has tried to brain wash us into believing in overpopulation so that we are ashamed to breed. With the Liberals in charge, be sure that our birth rates will fall in line with the Rest of modern Europe.

316 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:09:49am
317 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:09:51am

My wife belongs to the same denomination as Palin. Let m assure you the kids have sex and get pregnant, my own niece, the ministers daughter, included. The difference is the decision afterwards. Not all can or chose to marry. But the babies are welcomed in the church and the support is there.

318 armytramp  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:00am

I would like to issue a challenge to all Americans:

Are you having or have you ever had premarital sex?

Vote for Palin.

319 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:08am

re: #300 jordank

Hang out with a lot of creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents do you?

320 Crimsonfisted  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:09am

A new baby in the White House! Who is up for a baby shower? Sounds like a party to me!

321 Mike McDaniel  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:11am

This is bad for the family. Very bad, as a couple under ~25 will suffer severe financial strains these days. But it is not as uncommon as one would wish.

On the other hand, they ARE getting married. Which is an unusual response, these days. The usual reaction is for the sperm donor to try to browbeat the girl into an abortion, then head for the hills when she refuses.

The Dems will try to use this as part of a "family values hypocrite" smear. I don't think it will work. There are too many other parents trying to cope with wayward daughters to make it stick. Especially since a shotgun wedding is a lot better than the handful of child support checks followed by abandonment that is the usual outcome.

322 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:12am

We can all hear the gears rattling and whirring in the left-wing slime machine.

323 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:24am
re: #227 Salem

re: #218 MandyManners

I hope they remember Christ's admonition about throwing stones.

Do they ever?

They just forget it goes both ways—it applies not just to other people.

324 wintercat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:27am

I believe this will be a hot issue for the liberal side for a few days and then they will have to let up. Liberals must know that crucifying Palin's 17 year old daughter so they can destroy Palin is just not going fly with any American who has a shred of decency in their bodies. Especially those parents who have teenage daughters. It is something many parents worry about when they have kids.

I hope that the campaign can keep this girl insulated from the ugliness that is sure to come and in fact is already coming from the Democrat camp.

I also think that people should refrain from putting this event up as a great thing. Clearly, it is not. The young woman and the young man in question have added a difficult dimension to their lives. But it is not our business in any way.

325 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:49am

re: #298 Irving

It is worth pointing out that Palin expressly advocates abstinence-only sex education programs - so yes, this story does indeed have some political relevance.

It'll be interesting to see if she modifies her views, seeing as abstinence only programs seem to have some notable failures.

Looking at teen pregnancy/unwed mother/abortion rates, it would seem that all "sex education" programs have had notable failures.

As we as a society continue to sexualize younger and younger girls, live throught the results of the "Me" generation having kids (includes myself, BTW, 1962), and frankly refuse to discuss "right" and "wrong" because we want the kids to "feel good about themselves", we will continue to have these problems, lectures, training, and education notwithstanding.

326 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:09am

re: #302 vapig

Actually, I think their attitude and actions since the discovery of their child's pregnancy speaks volumns about them as parents and human beings. They have wrapped their arms around her with love and support and are standing by her. Nothing is being said about this being a "mistake." Just that she is pregnant, will keep the baby and will marry the father.

Now - if we see a shotgun at that wedding........

//

Could not agree more. But, the best attack the left could mount is that the Palins misused the resources of the Governor's office to hide the activity of their daughter. We also do not know who the dad is-whether he is a classmate or a married state trooper. The smart left will attack along these lines. Frankly, all of this should have been revealed on Friday to avoid the buzz-kill.

327 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:13am
328 soupy  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:23am

re: #192 Salem

I'm afraid this might be something of a momentum-buster. Too soon to be sure, though. The Dems ability to blow it can never be underestimated. But it doesn't help at all. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the evangelical influence (more like a strangle-hold) over the Republican party.


I belong to an evangelical congregation. I think that the most likely response will be disappointment that she became pregnant out of wedlock and approval that she is both not having an abortion, and marrying the father. Only a small number of fanatics will consider this a reason to oppose McCain/Palin and those are probably already opposed due to his moderate stance on many issues.

329 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:30am

re: #300 jordank

....the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents.

What the hell does 'creationism' have anything whatsoever to do with this situation?

What an idiot!

330 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:37am

re: #285 The Shadow Do

Picturing Sarah at the wedding, carrying a shotgun.

/kidding!

Varmint would draw Mrs Palin with a Kalashnikov on that one.

331 valkyrie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:42am

Right about now the Obama minions are researching how they should respond to this. I suggest they go check out the ratings history for Reba. From Wikipedia:

Reba set a new all-time viewership record for any program on the WB's Friday night (best-ever Friday in women 18-49).

This is what the American family looks like. We had a few unexpected blessings in my extended family. They are all grown up now and are the pride and joy of all of us.

332 esch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:48am

re: #282 Cognito

P.S.: How disgusting it will be, if the Democratic side uses this -- a very personal moment in the life of a 17-year-old girl -- to its own political ends.

If?

I will be shocked and amazed if the Obama campaign comes out on the side of grace and tact over this.

333 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:12:02am

As the father is supposed to be the head of the household in evangelical circles, and he is alleged to be a Democrat...

334 Cognito  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:12:18am

re: #295 Salem

YHGTBFK.

I give up -- what does that stand for?

335 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:12:22am
336 Anna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:12:44am

Here'is to Bristol and her White House baby shower. Slainte! May your child be blessed with charm, wit, and wisdom while bringing happiness to many people.

337 Vero  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:12:52am

The Palin family is doing the right thing - The act itself was a mistake, but the baby ( life) is never a mistake - My wife ( the ex-fence sitter since Palin became GOP VP nominee ) the die-hard Christian conservative just found out about it, and the first question she asked me was "is she keeping the baby?" That is all that matters to her - my guess is that that will be all that matters to all Christians/Conservatives who believe that life is not a mistake.

338 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:09am

Barry's dad was still maried to his first wife in Kenya when he married his mom, which made the marriage illegal.

These people are hypocrits of the highest order.

Shit happens, their getting married, this isn't Jamie Lynn spears.

If she was 6 months older would that have made a huge difference?

339 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:16am

re: #300 jordank

The hardcore religious zealots will do that. They always have. Religious zealots do not make up the majority of the Christian base in America. When they did reign it was very short as in during Prohibition. Most American Christians are moderates not zealots.

340 rwmofo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:30am

Teenagers having sex? I'm shocked.

341 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:31am

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

And if Obama is smart he'll bring that up to wish Bristol Palin all the best and dismiss the story. I hope he does that, it would be classy and show him as being able to relate to people who think differently from him.

You are correct. He should show some class...at this point, it would be cheap and effective.

342 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:31am

OT -- A new program teaching science to preschoolers on PBS:

A Young Scientist at Work to Inspire Kids’ Curiosity

343 jorline  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:44am

re: #334 Cognito

I give up -- what does that stand for?

You have got to be fing kidding

344 cblesz  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:53am

Oh, and may we have an update of the cash McCain has brought in?

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
Can we say $10 mill and counting...

345 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:59am

re: #334 Cognito

I give up -- what does that stand for?

I'm pretty good at deciphering personalized license plates, so I'll give it a go.....how about You Have Got To Be Fu@*&g Kidding?

346 middlecon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:14:31am

Its funny some of the whackos are actually LET DOWN by this news...it disproves the previous faked pregnancy theory lol

Now for 99% of people who don't drudge through the muck of the internet its probably the first they have heard of any type of pregnancy controversy.

347 Gang of One  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:14:51am

re: #334 Cognito

I give up -- what does that stand for?


YHGTBFK
You have got to be fargin kidding ...

348 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:14:51am

re: #343 jorline

You have got to be fing kidding

Don't make fun of Cog...
/

349 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:14:53am

re: #300 jordank

I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

This fundamentalist doesn't care what she did. She did it and now faces the responsibility of raising a child. When my son came home and told us his girlfriend was pregnant I wasn't the least bit pleased. I also told him that it was a life sentence and that he would be taking care of that child for longer than he was alive. That sunk in.

As a former teenage boy, I can tell you that get in a quickie faster than you can say boo and that you can't watch your teens 24/7.

350 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:02am

re: #302 vapig


Now - if we see a shotgun at that wedding........

//

I'll assume that the Palin family, avid outdoors people and hunters that they are well documented to be, are planning on doing a little hunting after the ceremony.

351 perkypauly  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:10am

As Joe Welch said to McCarthy "Have you no decency"? This I now say to the media, leave the candidates children alone.

352 daddyo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:13am

If this young woman had secretly gotten an abortion, that would have been a conservatives are hypocrites scandal.

But she's having her baby, good for her, and it essentially renders this a non-story.

353 guiltfree  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:13am

From glee over another hurricane to glee over unwanted teenage pregnancy, you can always count on the Democrats for schadenfreude. The Democratic party is absolutely without grace.

I do admire the way that Sarah Palin is standing by her daughter publicly. The girl is probably very scared and humiliated. Hang in there, Bristol.

For their part, the Republicans' weakness seems to be a problem matching sexual behavior with sexual rhetoric. A goal of sexual abstinence is fine, except that so many apparently fall so short, and unwanted pregnancies are the consequence. That makes the pro-life stance practically problematic. Mr. McCain himself is flawed this respect, appearing in a film that celebrated obligation-free, worry-free sex, while not aggressively promoting contraception as part of his political platform. The outcome of such contradictory behavior can of course be unwanted pregnancy. The abstinence argument becomes weak when not taken seriously by both sexes.

354 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:21am

This is going to make Kos and the Dems in general look like the scum they are. And if the MSM doesn't leave it alone, it'll do the same thing for them.

The news is disappointing to me because this is all we're going to hear over the next few days. Endlessly, endlessly spun by both sides, and no one will be able to process anything else Palin has to say.

I do wonder though, about McCain. He must have more faith in the nation than I do. And I wonder if there were any other way to break this, but I guess not. In fact, this is the best possible way because it makes Kos and their MSM supporters look like the muckrakers they are.

355 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:23am

re: #158 semper Gumbi

The Palin family press release mentioned a boy named Levi.

My son-in-law's name is Levi ... his wifes name is Sarah.

If Bristol's Levi is anywhere near the quality person my son-in-law is, things will work out nicely.
and ... the odd coincidences do NOT end there.

356 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:40am

I wish I could wrap myself in comfy rationalizations. But I just can't bullshit myself like that. This is a palpable blow to McCain candidacy. Whether it's a fatal blow remains to be seen.

I have no reason to to be offended by 17-year-old pregnancies. But it's hardly an ideal. And the ideal is what Palin brought to this.

357 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:55am

re: #309 jaunte

"allowed her child to do this"
That's a stretch.

One helluva stretch.
Jordank's never raised a child through the teen years.

/betting the rent and grocery money on that

358 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:16:20am

re: #335 buzzsawmonkey

Palin's NRA membership will serve as the basis for a thousand "shotgun wedding" jokes, each doubtless more ghastly than the last.

FYI, among some of my Obamanoid friends, the mere fact that she unapologetically owns and uses guns places her beyond the civilized pale.

True dat.

I have had liberal "friends" who basically never had anything to say to me again after the subject came up.

And this is Texas.

359 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:16:21am

And a last thought:
we all saw the video of Sarah Palin's speech, and of her family behind her.
Did Bristol look unhappy, forced, stressed?
Or did she look like a girl, carrying and hugging Trig, just as if she was already 'learning' how it would be with her? Happy and warm?
You decide ...

360 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:16:35am

re: #269 Cognito

When the time comes for someone to take responsibility, that is the true judge of a person. Dobson knows that we all fall short. It's how we handle our responsibilities in life. Those who accept their responsibilities are those that have character.

361 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:16:44am

re: #356 Salem

I can't disagree with you more.

362 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:16:54am

re: #357 pre-Boomer Marine brat

One helluva stretch.
Jordank's never raised a child through the teen years.

/betting the rent and grocery money on that

Mine are getting locked up till they're 21!
/////

363 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:04am

re: #319 kcladderman

Hang out with a lot of creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents do you?

I believe that he is engaging in the Self Appointed Superior Being practice of Simply Assuming.

It's one of the ways one can tell that someone is a Self Appointed Superior Being.

364 ladycatnip  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:12am

#300 jordank

I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

I thoroughly disagree with you. This is the part people don't get about Christians. Grace and forgiveness abound to those who make mistakes. As far as gossip - it's expressly forbidden throughout scripture to indulge in that judgmental form of lifting oneself up while putting others down.

And for any who call themselves Christians that would indulge in this - check out the beam in your own eye before you pluck out the sliver in Palin & family.

365 Cognito  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:20am

re: #348 jcm

Don't make fun of Cog...
/

I'm an old man, apparently. Not great with sentences-as-acronyms.

Blame my lack of texting skills.

366 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:20am

If Palin's daughter becomes a prime target for the MSM, I think it is our duty to do what little we can to shield her and see that this becomes a non-issue. The daughter is not running for office and is going through a difficult time of her life. No matter how ridiculous or justified the attack, Palin is a legitimate target, she's an adult, she's a governor, she is the focus—leave the daughter alone.

367 jorline  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:38am

re: #348 jcm

Don't make fun of Cog...
/

LOL

368 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:42am

re: #348 jcm

Don't make fun of Cog...
/

Yup, it's not nice to pick on the mentally politically challenged... ;p

369 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:52am

Liberals have no freaking clue how many mothers and women will be able to identify with her because of this.

370 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:18:07am

they could have taken the liberal way out and secretly aborted the baby, would that have made people happier?

371 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:18:28am

re: #362 jcm

Mine are getting locked up till they're 21!
/////

Good luck with that.

/seriously ... mine's doin' great now, but WHEW!

372 Crimsonfisted  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:18:30am

This will not change my mind on her, or my vote for them.

373 jimc  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:18:35am

re: #300 jordank


I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.


You're a moron and "creationist-fundamentalist" squarely advertises your bias. The only thing that I was disappointed about with this story was how the moonbats would exploit it.

In fact, if anything this is a model family story in a time of difficult family situation and the Palin's handled it very admirably and boy wouldn't you know, I'm one of them there hickish backward uneducat'd anti-science creationist...again I say moron.

374 lostlakehiker  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:18:53am

"do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?"

Yes.

But seriously, "too busy"? If daughter is half as bright as Mom, there's no way Mom's gonna know. This sort of thing happened all the time before abortions took the place of quickly-scheduled weddings. It's not the perfect example of responsibility, but it's a far cry from gross irresponsibility. The child will, after all, be born into a family with man and wife.

375 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:19:06am

re: #371 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah, and I ignored the ////////

376 Jimash  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:19:28am

re: #302 vapig

Now - if we see a shotgun at that wedding........

//


They seem to have a sense of humor. Maybe they will ALL carry shotguns at the wedding !

377 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:19:37am

re: #293 Carolyn

I am so f'n sick of politics.
Go to New Orleans? Not go to New Orleans?
Have a shit fit about a pregnant teenager?
Use anything to destroy?
Bastards.

No kidding.

Watch the press go beserk on this, then say "Gov. Palin has a family crisis and therefore cannot run the country."

Yeah, a crisis THEY created.

378 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:20:27am

re: #374 lostlakehiker

i think nothing short of an iron chastity belt could solve teenagers from not having sex.

379 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:21:11am
380 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:21:33am

re: #371 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good luck with that.

/seriously ... mine's doin' great now, but WHEW!

LOL! I'll be asking for advice in a few years!

381 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:21:38am

re: #356 Salem

I wish I could wrap myself in comfy rationalizations. But I just can't bullshit myself like that. This is a palpable blow to McCain candidacy. Whether it's a fatal blow remains to be seen.

I have no reason to to be offended by 17-year-old pregnancies. But it's hardly an ideal. And the ideal is what Palin brought to this.

I disagree, what she brings is a good dose of middle America realism, achievement beyond expectations, and such. At least that is the source of my admiration, beyond the fact that she turns a nice ankle as it were.

382 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:21:39am

Hussein is about to say that Bristol is being "punished with a baby".

383 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:22:00am

re: #378 pegcity

i think nothing short of an iron chastity belt could solve teenagers from not having sex.

Nope, been tried, proved to be a failure. Nothing works, even the Muslim promise of killing the girl when found out doesnt stop it.

384 cthruu  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:22:31am

Obama: "If my daughters make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

Palin: "My daughter has been blessed with a baby and we will support her."

The statements speak for themselves.

385 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:22:48am

re: #174 Rancher

His Daddy was really committed though, marrying the mom while already married.

I'm getting a strong Morman hit off that story.

386 insanity police  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:04am

Not a big deal in this day and age.

But it's still a HUGE distraction, which is bad. I know some of you disagree.

387 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:24am

re: #300 jordank

Charles: This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

Right - so they'd rather have someone as POTUS who regards a baby as punishment, which needs, of course, to be aborted ...

Ridiculous!

388 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:29am

re: #384 cthruu

Obama: "If my daughters make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

Palin: "My daughter has been blessed with a baby and we will support her."

The statements speak for themselves.

That would be an ad!

389 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:33am

re: #384 cthruu

Obama: "If my daughters make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

Palin: "My daughter has been blessed with a baby and we will support her."

The statements speak for themselves.

Yup, and nothing could be more diametrical than their positions.

390 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:50am

re: #382 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

Hussein is about to say that Bristol is being "punished with a baby".

You know this is going to be an Campain ad by McCain/Palin.

"Barrack Obama says his daughter my be punished with a baby", "Sarah Palin does not think bringing up and starting a Family is Punishment"

391 Soccermom  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:54am

Why is this anyone's business? Have some concern for a 17-year old who isn't running for office, and has a right to her privacy.

I don't know how we can get rid of this gutter digging on the Internet. It gets worse and worse.

392 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:58am

Well hell this calls for a celebration...best wishes to Bristol, the new baby; along with, I'm sure, some very proud and excited Grandparents.

If the Obama camp what's to play 'pick-on the extended family game', they'd be wise to begin with their own lousy candidate - past, present and future.

393 Idle Drifter  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:24:15am

Clear evidence of a loving family is loving the child more than hating the sin. To which I appluade the Palins. After all we are only human.

394 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:24:48am

This is as mush of a non-issue as "Dick Cheney has a gay daughter". I remember John Edwards, of all people, tried to bring it up as "hypocricy".

395 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:25:14am

Last time I checked about 25% of brides were pregnant. That was a few years ago.

396 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:25:33am

re: #392 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Well hell this calls for a celebration...best wishes to Bristol, the new baby; along with, I'm sure, some very proud and excited Grandparents.

If the Obama camp what's to play 'pick-on the extended family game', they'd be wise to begin with their own lousy candidate - past, present and future.

My thoughts exactly....

397 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:25:42am

re: #388 jcm

That would be an ad!

JCM we think alike allot, that's a good thing.

398 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:26:07am

re: #192 Salem

I'm afraid this might be something of a momentum-buster. Too soon to be sure, though. The Dems ability to blow it can never be underestimated. But it doesn't help at all. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the evangelical influence (more like a strangle-hold) over the Republican party.

As far as I'm concerned, it will show us all the point on the circle where the left and right meet. I've never been able to prove exactly who those people were (with obvious exceptions, like KOS).
And McCain doesn't want the vote from either set.
+1, yet again, for McCain.
He started out as -3, he's now in positive territory.

399 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:26:33am

Best response to the pregnancy announcement is "How wonderful." And to the wedding? "My best wishes and congratulations to you and your families." Personally, I don't care if it happens during the campaign, or if the wedding is at One Observatory Circle. Though if it's at the latter, I hope I can throw rice. Nobody on this side of the aisle is riding on any great high horse, liberal straw man arguments to the contrary notwithstanding.

400 hooligan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:26:56am

re: #300 jordank

I couldn't disagree more. I grew up and live as a member in Evangelical churches.
EVERY last one of those families has had someone in their extended family in this situation in one generation or another. Not to mention the love they have for their family members that happen to be gay. Most of these people don't march or judge, they know the way of the world and how its been for thousands of years. They deal, and they love. The few exceptions are seen by their peers as harsh and bitter.

I feel that God may use this to hold a big old mirror up to the uber-hypocritical liberals and I start that list off with Barack H. Obama.

401 alderson  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:27:06am

As a conservative evangelical I fail to understand why this will have any impact. I admit I don't hear much of what Dobson or other "far right" Christians say, but sharing much of their world-view I have a bit of an intuition on how they will react. They don't care, it will be endearing a tad, but otherwise it's a non-issue.

402 theheat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:27:37am

Is this the one that looked Rubenesque in the photo, where people were speculating Palin had birthed her daughter's son to cover-up the pregnancy? Well, I guess this puts that conspiracy theory to rest.

Sure, let's pretend abstinence is a realistic solution. Let's put our fingers in our ears and go lah-lah-lah-lah some more. G*d forbid anyone admits to having sex and actually uses contraception. Hell no, Fundies love babies - all babies - no matter how they were conceived, or what the outcome may be, even when a pregnancy could have been prevented.

Note to Fundies: preventing pregnancy prevents abortions. Part of that prevention plan is using contraceptives. It doesn't mean denying the facts of life, that sex - like sh*t - happens. It doesn't mean casual humping needs to lead to babies, particularly teen pregnancy.

I feel for the girl, I really do. It happens to the best of families. But this could have been prevented. Maybe if her mother spent as much time preaching contraception as preaching pro-life in every conceivable situation, her teenage daughter would have had better options. Something as simple as birth control pills probably would have prevented this.

Palin set my Fundie radar off from the get-go. This pretty much sealed the deal for me.

Nice going, McCain. Hope you're happy you just handed the Obama camp a ton of ammunition. Mom goes off to shoot caribou while daughter gets frisky... I can just imagine the jokes waiting in the wings.

Note to pro-lifer/abstinence believers: your vote counts just once. Now ask yourself, how many votes did this stunt lose?

403 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:27:45am

re: #326 calcajun

Could not agree more. But, the best attack the left could mount is that the Palins misused the resources of the Governor's office to hide the activity of their daughter. We also do not know who the dad is-whether he is a classmate or a married state trooper. The smart left will attack along these lines. Frankly, all of this should have been revealed on Friday to avoid the buzz-kill.

Disagree. IMHO, this is solely the business of the daughter, her boyfriend, & the families. This is not the nations' business. Sure it was going to come out, but that does not make it any less than a private matter. I'll let the families choose how they handle this. So far, as much as we already know of their most private lives, they're handling things well. Couldn't ask for more & best wishes to them all! My nose will go elsewhere.

404 bingobill  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:28:12am

It's impressive that Palin took the VP nomination knowing that this would put her family in the crosshairs of the MSM crosshairs and she already knew this would come down the pike.
Gutsy.

405 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:28:45am

re: #388 jcm

That would be an ad!

Wait 24 hours.

406 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:28:45am

This is life as usual.

407 vapig  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:28:58am

re: #300 jordank

Charles: This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

I'm an evangelical Christian and I feel you're talking a bunch of smack!

Personally, we don't judge nearly as much as some and we forgive more readily than others. I'm also getting tired of being told I won't vote for someone just because their daughter didn't follow the prefered order of things. She's doing the right thing now. Nuff said!

408 talon_262  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:00am

The thing that makes me sick about the left's response to this is not that they're gonna say that, by "letting" her daughter get pregnant, Gov. Palin is a "hypocrite", is somehow unfit to be VPOTUS, and that conservatives are gonna drop her like a hot potato because of it, but that they (along with the fellow travelers in the MSM and the nutroots) are gonna hammer Palin (and by extension, Bristol and the rest of the family) with this 24/7, hoping to put enough pressure on the family to get under Palin's skin enough to lessen her effectiveness.

As for me, Bristol Palin is old enough to have known better and I have no doubt, barring this indiscretion, that her folks raised her right, hence the plans to keep the baby and marry the father. Everyone makes mistakes at some point in their lives, some big and some small, but the measure of a person's character is what they do afterwards; in my opinion, this raises my estimation of Gov. Palin and her family, because it's pretty evident that they are making the best of the situation and doing it right.

409 Vikingstar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:02am

I am an evangel---no, scratch that; I'm a ultra-right wing crazed Creationist "fundie", and after hearing this news, my reaction was that these people are people of substance and conviction who take responsibilty for their actions and do the right thing, like getting married and having the baby instead of treating it like it was disposable.
In other words...I like them more, and not less. I prefer people who have standards, and because we're all fallible sometimes don't live fully up to them, to people who have no standards (except the 'standard' of sneering at anyone who tries to live a consistantly good and moral life).

410 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:17am

Someone had a link with the Obama logo used to spell Over. Can anyone help me find it?

411 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:28am

Protein Wisdom hits back hard at the goofy idiots on the left.

ouch. just keep scrolling.

[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

412 Sizzlack  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:28am

I'm a little late to the discussion...

But what is the deal with Kos treating this as like a Watergate level scandal. Her daughter is pregnant. Is this even really newsworthy? Why would this disqualify Palin? Why are the Kossacks screaming at each other that "this just keeps getting weirder"? What is weird, that giving birth is possible? And they keep saying "McCain knew...he knew". So what? He knew her daughter was pregnant? Doesn't that deserve a congratulations?

413 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:46am

re: #402 theheat

Your moral equivalency does not account for real life. Get off your high horse.

414 talon_262  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:30:08am

re: #402 theheat

Is this the one that looked Rubenesque in the photo, where people were speculating Palin had birthed her daughter's son to cover-up the pregnancy? Well, I guess this puts that conspiracy theory to rest.

Sure, let's pretend abstinence is a realistic solution. Let's put our fingers in our ears and go lah-lah-lah-lah some more. G*d forbid anyone admits to having sex and actually uses contraception. Hell no, Fundies love babies - all babies - no matter how they were conceived, or what the outcome may be, even when a pregnancy could have been prevented.

Note to Fundies: preventing pregnancy prevents abortions. Part of that prevention plan is using contraceptives. It doesn't mean denying the facts of life, that sex - like sh*t - happens. It doesn't mean casual humping needs to lead to babies, particularly teen pregnancy.

I feel for the girl, I really do. It happens to the best of families. But this could have been prevented. Maybe if her mother spent as much time preaching contraception as preaching pro-life in every conceivable situation, her teenage daughter would have had better options. Something as simple as birth control pills probably would have prevented this.

Palin set my Fundie radar off from the get-go. This pretty much sealed the deal for me.

Nice going, McCain. Hope you're happy you just handed the Obama camp a ton of ammunition. Mom goes off to shoot caribou while daughter gets frisky... I can just imagine the jokes waiting in the wings.

Note to pro-lifer/abstinence believers: your vote counts just once. Now ask yourself, how many votes did this stunt lose?

Man, you're a douche...

415 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:30:23am

re: #410 Rancher

Someone had a link with the Obama logo used to spell Over. Can anyone help me find it?

Over.

416 musicman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:30:39am

Okay, here goes....

This is coming from a very conservative, Southern Baptist minister who believes in creation.....who just had a 20 year old son arrested for embezzlement.....charges were dropped after it made the paper......said son addressed the church yesterday morning....

You may have read in the paper that I was arrested for embezzlement, the charges were dropped and my record cleared after it was reported in the paper, Thank you.

The congregation applauded, and after church hugged my son and not another word has been said.

Bristol's pregnancy is a non-issue.

417 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:30:43am

re: #402 theheat

Nice going, McCain. Hope you're happy you just handed the Obama camp a ton of ammunition. Mom goes off to shoot caribou while daughter gets frisky... I can just imagine the jokes waiting in the wings.

Nice going heat. Hope you are able to overcome being a total maroon. Please hit us with some of your funny jokes. Waiting......

418 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:30:44am

Sorry if someone has already posted this:

A picture refutes a thousand nutcase conspiracies

419 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:31:26am
420 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:32:22am
421 lori lane  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:32:32am

re: #279 JSK1121


[Link: hundredpushups.com...]

Looks tough. Thx for the link. I just might try it! :)

422 HDrepub  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:32:37am

If I changed my mind and didn't vote for McCain on this account I would certainly be a hypocrite. My number two granddaughter was conceived before my youngest son and his wife's marriage, and I really didn't bat an eye over it. I told my wife this happens all the time and we would deal with it in our own way. They were a little older than Bristol Palin, actually old enough to know better as my daughter in law was in nursing school at the time LOL.

My son passed away however when she wasn't quite one year old, so he left me a legacy, and you should see her. A beautiful 13 year old blonde with the same blue eyes her father had, healthy, the star catcher on her school's girl softball team, with lots of friends. My son and daughter-in-law considered abortion, had an appointment but couldn't go through with it. I am certainly happy they didn't and am certainly thankful for her presence in my life.

423 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:32:39am

McCain, You magnificent Bastard!, This is a stroke of gut instinct and genius. Obama's campaign will burn their asses by attacking this issue.

424 hippieforlife  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:32:46am

re: #74 txcamper
I too am concerned for this young woman. Her family has known this for a few months and has at least had some private time to deal with how they choose.

I also think it is somewhat sad that Sarah Palin has to have a very private family moment smeared by media and lefty loons. She is no doubt thrilled to know she and her husband are going to be grandparents! My first grandson was conceived before his parents married and it did not change my love for him one little bit. He is the best gift I was ever given.

I am hoping that people will remain cool about this. Even Focus on the Family is not going to be totally judgemental. After all, people happen!

425 Optimizer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:33:15am

re: #72 MandyManners

Karl Rove conjured up Gustav as a diversionary tactic so that when the news leaked, we'd all be focused on New Orleans.

YOU MAGNFICENT BASTARD!

Sorry, I have to disagree. I said it once before, I'll say it again. This was 100% McCain's call. So now it's:

McCAIN, YOU MAGNFICENT BASTARD!

Let's look at the strategic situation:
1) Most importantly, this country loves a soap opera. This adds to Palin's "rock star" status, and is one less reason for anybody to talk about Obama.
2) While one can debate whether this speaks ill of Palin's parenting skills, or whether her job has left her neglecting her family, the fact is she's running to be my Vice President, not to be my mother.
3) Situations like this are pretty commonplace these days (except, maybe, the "getting married" part). The whole idea that "McCain is out of touch" is totally busted! Palin is the only "regular person" that people can relate to, on either ticket.
4) Can Obama slam Palin for this, when his mother did the same thing (I hadn't heard that before, BTW)?

426 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:33:21am

re: #402 theheat

Note to pro-lifer/abstinence believers: your vote counts just once. Now ask yourself, how many votes did this stunt lose?

I seriously doubt it looses as much as one single vote. But what would I know, I just come from the same fundamentalist conservative Christian background as James Dobson. I believe in abstinence, but also believe in contraceptives. Go figure. I actually think Bristol is going to be just fine and a wonderful mother. Look who her family is...

427 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:33:27am

re: #298 Irving

It is worth pointing out that Palin expressly advocates abstinence-only sex education programs - so yes, this story does indeed have some political relevance.

It'll be interesting to see if she modifies her views, seeing as abstinence only programs seem to have some notable failures.

And birth control doesn't? Honestly, it doesn't matter. Kids have sex, even when they know perfectly well they shouldn't. They get pregnant. It's what they decide to do afterwards that's the issue.

428 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:33:30am

My upright Christian 86-year-old war veteran dad sez he doesn't think this will be a big factor. So there's some small reassurance to me, however anecdotal.

429 jaunte  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:34:10am

It's interesting to note that part of this issue revolves around the idea of Palin 'controlling' her daughter. I haven't heard anyone yet say it's about Levi's parents 'controlling' him.

430 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:34:50am

re: #380 jcm

LOL! I'll be asking for advice in a few years!

The 17 Year Bunghole Rule for raising children states: "When a child's born, put it in a barrel, remove the bung and feed it through the bunghole. When the child reaches age 17, drive in the bung."

*running like hell from the mother lizards in the room*

431 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:34:58am

re: #384 cthruu

Obama: "If my daughters make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

Palin: "My daughter has been blessed with a baby and we will support her."

The statements speak for themselves.

I don't want them punished with a baby?
I know a few people that can have your child adopted by a loving family in a day or two or refer you to those who can where you live: [Link: www.livalt.org...]

432 TheQuay  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:35:05am

Sorry, I have to vent. I don't know how many hours old this story is but I am already sick of reading the Dems bash Palin on this. Saying if she had been a good mother and stayed home and raised her kids this wouldn't have happened. I have even seen them stoop as low as to say Sarah's youngest baby, Trig, is really her daughter's baby.
These idiots are dispicable, and that's putting it mildly, if I said what I really wanted to about Dems my computer screen and keyboard would engulf in flames in seconds.

McCain/Palin "08"

433 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:35:15am

Hahaha,

So the Kos freaks did actually spot a baby bump. Who would have thunk what it actually was though... makes them look like idiots. So much for Sarah going to great lengths to cover up her daughter's pregnancy...

I do find it outrageous that the girl is pregnant though. Not that it reflects in any meaningful way on her mother, but come on! She was sexually active at 16? Well wait, I guess it does reflect poorly on her mother, with the silly statements about how she wouldn't want pot to be legalized because of the bad influence on her children... give me a break.

So that's a little annoying. Not that it has anything to do with her VP credentials.

434 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:35:26am

re: #428 Salem

My upright Christian 86-year-old war veteran dad sez he doesn't think this will be a big factor. So there's some small reassurance to me, however anecdotal.

You want more reassurances. Do you know anyone close to you who has a pregnant teen daughter or someone who gave birth young. You will find out you may be surrounded by them.

435 de La Valette  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:35:42am

Since we are headed this way, I though I would post some references:

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

[Link: www.halfsigma.com...]

436 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:36:06am

re: #402 theheat

I feel for the girl, I really do. It happens to the best of families. But this could have been prevented. Maybe if her mother spent as much time preaching contraception as preaching pro-life in every conceivable situation, her teenage daughter would have had better options. Something as simple as birth control pills probably would have prevented this.

You fucking leftards pretend to know what is best? Maybe she wanted a baby? Some young wowen really are excited about having babies. Just becasue you are a baby-hating progressive asshole, doesn't mean you understand how this family feels about anything.


Oh - and she doesn't need your pity, asshole.
Go abort yourself.

437 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:36:49am

re: #402 theheat

Evangelicals are not against contraception. They are against sex education classes that are less biologic and more polemic.They are against premarital sex, but are not idiots. As you correctly point out, the babies are more than welcomed in the church. Baptized with support for both the married and unmarried. There are more than a few married teens that disappear from the church after marriage, then miraculously show up when the ;baby' is old enough for Sunday school. The mainline Protestant churches in America are below replacement by far. The big Evangelical churches are well over replacement.

438 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:37:03am

re: #356 Salem

I wish I could wrap myself in comfy rationalizations. But I just can't bullshit myself like that. This is a palpable blow to McCain candidacy. Whether it's a fatal blow remains to be seen.

I have no reason to to be offended by 17-year-old pregnancies. But it's hardly an ideal. And the ideal is what Palin brought to this.

I have to say, it really shouldn't matter. This should be a private issue for the family, but it isn't. Palin's candidacy is heavily reliant on image simply because no one knows anything else about her. In time, I think people will get over it. But I really can't disagree with you, as much as I would like to.

And I'm really, really glad that this didn't spill a couple of days before the election.

439 wolfie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:37:33am

re: #234 eaglewingz08

If true, will Bristol name the kid Juno (from the film of same name) if a girl?

No, no, no! JUNEAU !

440 GGMac  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:37:52am

re: #63 vagabond trader

Not my business and certainly not that of the dems. My only concern is losing the conservatives.

Conservatives, or anyone else who gets their panties in a bunch over this will be the ones who love to wallow in self-righteous "purity"; the ones who very likely were just plain lucky if they weren't pregnant on their wedding day. How many of them can look in a mirror and say with HONESTY that they - male or female - were virgins when they married?

Reality check: the only reason the 100 years' ago statistic of 4 out of 10 brides being pregnant doesn't apply today is the pill.

As for those at KKKos, the Huffers - all the rest of the holier-than-thou nutroots - they need to recall how they've put hishusseinness' also 17-year old mother on some kind of mother earth nobility pedestal. Why is Stanley Ann treated with awe? Because she fostered the Marxist cause - and the child she produced does also.

I suppose the libtards will be holding out hope for Palin's daughter - that she will become one of them, and will follow the precepts of their leader Omamassiah - you know - decide just AFTER her baby's birth to terminate.

How dare they even mention this young woman's name!

/rant off

441 Tom Kratman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:38:00am

re: #50 Dianna

Stupid. If McCain knew, and I'm pretty sure he did, there's nothing to the story. Bristol's getting married. Big whoop. A lot of young women blow it. It happens.

If anyone really is going to get up in arms about this, it's going to backfire.

Ahem, ahem...you do realize the double entendre there, right, Dianna?

;)

Ya know, I'm not sure there's ever really been a (no pun intended) hard and fast rule against premarital sex. The real rule was against irresponsible premarital sex, without committment and with a great probability of sticking society or family with the cost of raising a baby. But, near as I can tell, once the committment to marriage was made, even privately, people tended to avert their eyes from whatever young couples did, having been young themselves once.

442 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:38:08am

re: #425 Optimizer

Sorry, I have to disagree. I said it once before, I'll say it again. This was 100% McCain's call. So now it's:

McCAIN, YOU MAGNFICENT BASTARD!

Let's look at the strategic situation:
1) Most importantly, this country loves a soap opera. This adds to Palin's "rock star" status, and is one less reason for anybody to talk about Obama.
2) While one can debate whether this speaks ill of Palin's parenting skills, or whether her job has left her neglecting her family, the fact is she's running to be my Vice President, not to be my mother.
3) Situations like this are pretty commonplace these days (except, maybe, the "getting marricreationist-fundamentalist groups and parentsed" part). The whole idea that "McCain is out of touch" is totally busted! Palin is the only "regular person" that people can relate to, on either ticket.
4) Can Obama slam Palin for this, when his mother did the same thing (I hadn't heard that before, BTW)?


Yea but now the heat AND creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents are not going to vote for him!
/////////

443 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:38:10am

re: #415 FrogMarch

Much thanks. That and Palin's picture with the rifle is all I need for my next blog post.

444 Lynn B.  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:38:25am

re: #326 calcajun

Enough already.

Where are you getting this "married state trooper nonsense and why do you keep harping on it?

445 de La Valette  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:38:42am

re: #425 Optimizer

Also, how many more news cycles does this steal from Obama. He needed to hit hard on LABOR day - no where to be found.

With hurricane fizziling out - the McCain decision seems wise, he got the best of both scenarios. He will own the new cycles thru the weekend.

After which the story may well be McCain leads - how did that happen?

446 DCMacHead  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:38:51am

McCain's got the goods on Obama if he picked Palin with a skeleton like this in her closet. I'm looking forward to learning what devastating tidbit McCain's about to unleash on Obama.

447 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:38:57am

The big difference is that Palin and her family are not Elitist coke whore feminists who think a baby will ruin your career and your life by staying unhappy, lonely, and distraught about never finding Mr Right while making sure she has all her birth control devices in her purse when going clubbing.

448 insanity police  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:39:10am

re: #433 medaura18586

Hahaha,

So the Kos freaks did actually spot a baby bump. Who would have thunk what it actually was though... makes them look like idiots. So much for Sarah going to great lengths to cover up her daughter's pregnancy...

I do find it outrageous that the girl is pregnant though. Not that it reflects in any meaningful way on her mother, but come on! She was sexually active at 16? Well wait, I guess it does reflect poorly on her mother, with the silly statements about how she wouldn't want pot to be legalized because of the bad influence on her children... give me a break.

So that's a little annoying. Not that it has anything to do with her VP credentials.

16 is the age of consent where I live. It's not like anyone broke the law. I read somewhere that the average age people have sex these days is 16 years old. So its not a big deal in that respect.

Also, Alaska is COLD, and there's not much to do. I'm wouldn't be surprised if people have more sex there than in other places.

449 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:39:25am

I bet Hillary would pay to get Chelsea pregnant.
/bad pat

450 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:39:27am

re: #378 pegcity

i think nothing short of an iron chastity belt could solve teenagers from not having sex.

Well - or a quick conversion to islam, the Burqa, honour killings ....

All this just shows that the Palins are a throgoughly normal family. Things happen, they are dealt with in the most admirable way and not hidden and denied.
This bodes well for the ticket - I think it'll be a boost for the John & Sarah campaing.

451 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:39:32am

from Protein wisdom:

That the Palin family — by dint of ugly rumor mongering from “progressive activists” and a compliant left-leaning press that was cynically situating itself to pretend that these rumors “needed investigating” — was all but compelled to release information about their teenage daughter, is precisely the kind of thing that drives real civil libertarians and privacy advocates crazy, especially because the information has nothing whatever to do with Governor Palin’s candidacy, but instead invades the privacy (and quite possibly effects the “choice”) of a minor.


452 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:39:46am

re: #402 theheat

My God, but you're an asshole.

453 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:39:55am

re: #436 FrogMarch

You fucking leftards pretend to know what is best? Maybe she wanted a baby? Some young wowen really are excited about having babies. Just becasue you are a baby-hating progressive asshole, doesn't mean you understand how this family feels about anything.


Oh - and she doesn't need your pity, asshole.
Go abort yourself.

Dude.......Seriously.......

Calm Down

Your not gonna win any arguments with just 4-letter words

If people try that with me, I just ignore them completely, and that makes them rant and rave even more, and shows that I am winning the argument even though I am not saying a single word

454 middlecon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:39:57am

re: #433 medaura18586


No the picture with the supposed 'baby bump' was from 2006.

I didn't see any closeups of the 17 yo daughter at the press conference but she certainly doesn't look pregnant yet that I could tell.

455 vapig  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:40:12am

re: #360 dwigg

When the time comes for someone to take responsibility, that is the true judge of a person. Dobson knows that we all fall short. It's how we handle our responsibilities in life. Those who accept their responsibilities are those that have character.

Thank you! That was very well put and I can't think of a way of saying it better.

456 valkyrie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:40:34am

re: #439 wolfie

No, no, no! JUNEAU !

I have a friend in Alaska who named his kids Bristol and Bering. He was a commercial fisherman.

457 loveguru  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:40:41am

isn't it wrong to blame the parents for children's mistake ? every one bears load of his/her own 'Karma'

458 jacksontn  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:40:47am

Why not just face this head on? When they introduce the family at the convention have the daughter and her fiancee come on the stage with the family. I believe the slamming of the Palins and their daughter in particular will backfire on Obama. I wish Sarah would say in an interview something about the comment Obama made about being punished with a baby.

459 talon_262  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:41:00am

re: #412 Sizzlack

I'm a little late to the discussion...

But what is the deal with Kos treating this as like a Watergate level scandal. Her daughter is pregnant. Is this even really newsworthy? Why would this disqualify Palin? Why are the Kossacks screaming at each other that "this just keeps getting weirder"? What is weird, that giving birth is possible? And they keep saying "McCain knew...he knew". So what? He knew her daughter was pregnant? Doesn't that deserve a congratulations?

This is the left's wannabe version of Rathergate, in that they think, just because Palin's daughter got pregnant, that conservatives are gonna have buyer's remorse and drop McCain/Palin like a rock. I have news for them...it's not gonna work, because too many people are gonna identify with the Palins' situation and how they're taking care of it.

If the left flogs this issue to death, they'll expose how cold and calculating they really are to those who are still blind to it, all in the name of political power.

460 Tom Kratman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:41:06am

re: #378 pegcity

i think nothing short of an iron chastity belt could solve teenagers from not having sex.

If you mean something 100% perfect, no. But a sufficiently hard and harsh society can make it so obviously a bad idea that comparatively fewer girls will engage in it. We, alternatively, make it far too easy and consequenceless.

461 wiffersnapper  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:41:08am

*passes out frying pans*

462 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:41:12am

Well we are heading off to a BBQ..Have a nice holiday lizards..
and Jordank..remember what i said..if you get banned before 7pm tonight i lose the bet..after 7pm the crown and coke is on me..express yourself!

463 richiep  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:41:25am

Does not make a difference to me. My daughter never married and has two challenged children. The first child she did not know was going to be challenged. The second child she did and never considered abortion. We differ on our views on many issues but we still love each other and our children/grandchildren.

I'm still a Conservative and it does not alter my decision to vote for McCain/Palin after Palin was selected for VP.

464 jas  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:41:33am

As I stated on the other thread, after watching and investigating the Palins for the past few days, Bristol Palin's child could not have picked a better loving family to be born into. Again, Sarah Palin and her family do not just talk the talk with regard to the abortion issue, she walks the walk. The point of conservative values is not that people don't make mistakes...just that we accept responsibility for our mistakes and work to overcome them. Again, there will be no mention of her daughter being "stuck with a mistake" from Sarah Palin or her husband.

465 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:41:53am

re: #356 Salem

I wish I could wrap myself in comfy rationalizations. But I just can't bullshit myself like that. This is a palpable blow to McCain candidacy. Whether it's a fatal blow remains to be seen.

I have no reason to to be offended by 17-year-old pregnancies. But it's hardly an ideal. And the ideal is what Palin brought to this.


You know, I just can't agree with you. It is pretty hard to determine the exact teenage pregnancy rate do to various reporting schemes, but some estimates range as high as one out of every 4 teenage girls.

Most families face a teenage pregnancy. We all have warts. What matters is not whether or not you are perfect, whether or not you have to face some problems in your life. What matters is what you do with the hand you are dealt.

Sarah Palin and her family are a welcome change from the old holier than thou, politics as usual, do as I say but not as I do crowd. Nobody can claim that Sarah Palin is out of touch with the lives of "most Americans" because governor or not, she lives the life of most Americans. Most Americans are going to look at them and say "These folks are just like me."

Somebody on another thread put it well yesterday. When you're sitting miles from nowhere on a deserted road in a car that won't start, who do you want to come driving down the road towards you? Sarah Palin? Or Barrak Obama. I know women like Sarah (of course I am one.) She would stop the car, rip a bobby pin out of her updo and fix your car with chewing gum and gaffer's tape. Obama would have trouble trying to decide whether or not to stop.

466 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:41:59am

re: #453 jordank

Dude.......Seriously.......

Calm Down

Your not gonna win any arguments with just 4-letter words

If people try that with me, I just ignore them completely, and that makes them rant and rave even more, and shows that I am winning the argument even though I am not saying a single word

No it doesn't

467 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:42:16am

re: #443 Rancher

Much thanks. That and Palin's picture with the rifle is all I need for my next blog post.

No prob. :-)

468 insanity police  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:42:21am

re: #450 yma o hyd

Well - or a quick conversion to islam, the Burqa, honour killings ....

All this just shows that the Palins are a throgoughly normal family. Things happen, they are dealt with in the most admirable way and not hidden and denied.
This bodes well for the ticket - I think it'll be a boost for the John & Sarah campaing.

Aisha was six, wasn't she?

469 So?  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:42:24am

Gonna be a lot of kids running around the White House. They'll have to build a new wing.

I have no problem with her daughter's pregnancy, but I think the religious right won't be as accommodating.

470 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:42:43am

Meh, at least someone is getting some action.
/

Of note, it's not "The Palins" who are stepping up to the responsibility of parenthood, it's Bristol and Levi. Best of luck to both of them, may their child (and their marriage) be happy and healthy.

471 neverquit  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:43:05am

In the twisted mind of the radical leftists, only economically challenged families are allowed to have family issues. And only the poor deserve any understanding and support for their challenges.

After all, it's all due to the rich families like the Palins, and their failed social and economic norms which cause all of the challenges for the poor in the USA.

How dare this young woman decide to get married and keep the baby.

Doesn't she know she will destroy her mother's political ambitions?

She should have had an abortion.

With her family money, she could have had it done confidentially, months ago.

What a selfish child.

/satire

472 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:43:08am

When did wanting to raise a family become a Sin?

473 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:43:20am
474 canadianconservative  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:43:41am

re: #103 rawmuse

Maybe its just me, but I think that times have truly changed and there just aren't that many of those around anymore, you know, the real stuffed shirt moralists.

I am a (fiscal) conservative and it will not matter one whit to me.

I am a fiscal and social conservative, and I don't believe in sex before marriage, however, like the Palins, if this sort of thing happened in my family, my daughter could expect nothing less than our immediate forgiveness, and our unqualified support, moral and financial.

palin clears up sleazy Internet Rumours at daily Kos...

Palin Vs Obama: A side by side comparison

475 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:44:06am

re: #326 calcajun

The boy's name is Levi.

Bristol was not under trooper watch/protection.

Get a grip.

476 Biff  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:44:26am

Here's a new thought on the Palin VP candidacy that I haven't seen yet, think of Sarah Palin as President of the US Senate. That thought must be driving Nancy Pelosi up a wall. Who's the queen bee now? If there is any chance to ride heard on a Dem Congress it could be Sarah Palin sitting in the big seat at the head of the Senate every day, every session. The Dems might keep Harry Reid in there just to chastise and "tutor" her, but I think Sarah can get the fullest possible leverage from this position. Even if Hillary gets promoted to Majority Leader, she'll still have to address Sarah as Madam President every day.

477 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:45:06am

re: #436 FrogMarch

You fucking leftards pretend to know what is best? Maybe she wanted a baby? Some young wowen really are excited about having babies. Just becasue you are a baby-hating progressive asshole, doesn't mean you understand how this family feels about anything.

There's a lot of truth in this. I tend to think these things aren't accidents, for the most part, because kids aren't stupid. I read a study the other day about teens and romantic relationships. Those from a two-parent conservative families tend to imitate their parents and form serious bonds right away.

Remember, too, that Sarah and Todd were high school sweethearts. And that their daughter will be getting married, too. So yes, this might not have been a mistake at all, just bad timing.

478 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:45:21am

re: #434 Egfrow

You want more reassurances. Do you know anyone close to you who has a pregnant teen daughter or someone who gave birth young. You will find out you may be surrounded by them.

Nope, everyone I know seems to have one over on Palin.

479 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:45:28am

re: #462 HoosierHoops

Keep dreaming, and stay at that BBQ as long as you like, it's not like anyone is gonna miss you

480 Sizzlack  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:45:29am

Wow I didn't know Obama said that he would teach his daughters values and morals but if they screwed up he didn't want them "punished with a baby". Thats quite a statement there Barry.

481 Lynn B.  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:45:32am

re: #433 medaura18586

Hahaha,

So the Kos freaks did actually spot a baby bump. Who would have thunk what it actually was though... makes them look like idiots. So much for Sarah going to great lengths to cover up her daughter's pregnancy...

Those photos were from February or March. Baby bump? I don't think so.

482 Crimsonfisted  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:45:40am

I am predicting Sarah Palin will be receiving many baby gifts for the new baby on the campaign trail.

483 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:45:58am

This is not a good parallel, but it is to my mind.

Asked how Christian Conservatives will react to this (private) story? Following the mass shooting of Amish children at their school. The Amish community poured out their love & compassion to the family of the shooter. Christians hopefully will remember to always reach out & support others in need. It's very easy to forget that churches are packed full of sinners. That's the way it was supposed to be.

484 DCMacHead  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:46:01am

re: #425 Optimizer

McCain has to have a devastating ace up his sleeve if he picked someone with this type of skeleton in her closet. I'm looking forward to learning what devastating bombshell is going to drop on the Democratic campaign. I know it's verbotten to discuss on this blog, but I think McCain has a piece of paper in his possession which will cause problems for Obama under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

485 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:46:02am

re: #472 Egfrow

When did wanting to raise a family become a Sin?

When the liberals decided that human being were a plague upon the earth that needed to be wiped out....

486 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:46:10am

re: #453 jordank

Dude.......Seriously.......

Calm Down

Your not gonna win any arguments with just 4-letter words

If people try that with me, I just ignore them completely, and that makes them rant and rave even more, and shows that I am winning the argument even though I am not saying a single word

I've got potty mouth. Deal with it.

but I will fix it just for you.

You self-loathing progressives pretend to know what is best? Maybe she wants a baby! Some young women really are excited about having babies. Just becasue you are a baby-hating progressive, doesn't mean you understand how this family feels about anything.


Oh - and she doesn't need your pity.
Go abort fuck screw piss up a rope yourself.

487 cfomahm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:46:13am

If this was Obama's daughter, he has said he wouldn't want her "punished" with a baby. I assume that means he would be in favor of her having an abortion. So who do I want leading this country? A man who cares so little about his own grandchild? How can I believe that such a man really gives a damn about me and my family?

488 Tom Kratman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:46:17am

re: #356 Salem

I wish I could wrap myself in comfy rationalizations. But I just can't bullshit myself like that. This is a palpable blow to McCain candidacy. Whether it's a fatal blow remains to be seen.

I have no reason to to be offended by 17-year-old pregnancies. But it's hardly an ideal. And the ideal is what Palin brought to this.

Nonsense. If anything, this cements Palin in the uncommitted voters mind as, "just like us" while at the same time costing the left a few votes for their very nasty trooferesque attacks.

489 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:46:22am

re: #402 theheat

Note to theheat: The most accurate birth control in existence has a 99% effectiveness rate. In layman's terms, that means that if you use birthcontrol with absolute precision, one out of every 100 women will get pregnant anyway.

490 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:46:42am

Back in the stone age, you had to be 21 in most states in order to vote. In Alaska, voting age was 19. The Alaskans I knew always said "We grow up faster."

491 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:47:35am

re: #470 Slumbering Behemoth

Meh, at least someone is getting some action.
/

Of note, it's not "The Palins" who are stepping up to the responsibility of parenthood, it's Bristol and Levi. Best of luck to both of them, may their child (and their marriage) be happy and healthy.

And may their first child be a masculine child...

/kidding

492 Biff  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:48:09am

Do we get to find out if Chelsea Clinton or Ashley Biden or Michelle Obama have ever had an abortion? No? Then STFU MSM and Dems.

493 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:48:28am

re: #444 Lynn B.

I haven't said a word for a while. There's nothing to say until further news comes out. I doubt that the McCain campaign would have made such a mistake in vetting Governor Palin if there was any more to this than what we know. Likewise, I do not think governor Palin, if she is as ethical as we have been told, would have accepted the VP spot on the ticket if she knew there was this potentially disastrous skeleton in her closet.

My concern is not the morality, but the type of intelligent attack the left will ultimately make. I think the McCain campaign should have brought this out on Friday--that the young man should have been there on stage with his intended, instead of this reveal this morning. This is just so much grist for the leftist mill and McCain & Palin would have been wiser to deny them this ammunition. The fact that it is being revealed this morning makes me concerned that there is more to the story. I hope and pray there isn't.

494 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:48:30am

re: #482 Crimsonfisted

I am predicting Sarah Palin will be receiving many baby gifts for the new baby on the campaign trail.

Wait, is Sarah pregnant too?
/s

495 Wishbone  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:48:32am

re: #460 Tom Kratman

You should be thankful that you haven't got the European general attitude toward unmarried pregnancies. Not so much consequenceless as a right of passage, or a means to an end in a lot of cases. Kids having kids; I'm old fashioned in that I had my first child at 34.

What a mess we're in.

496 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:48:33am

re: #472 Egfrow

When did wanting to raise a family become a Sin?

re: #485 doriangrey

When the liberals decided that human being were a plague upon the earth that needed to be wiped out....

the libs are even making bad movies about that now.

497 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:48:39am

re: #486 FrogMarch

Well I guess that's, uh, something of an improvement.........

498 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:48:43am

re: #484 DCMacHead

McCain has to have a devastating ace up his sleeve if he picked someone with this type of skeleton in her closet. I'm looking forward to learning what devastating bombshell is going to drop on the Democratic campaign. I know it's verbotten to discuss on this blog, but I think McCain has a piece of paper in his possession which will cause problems for Obama under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

This was one of the devastating bombshells.
He probably thought it would take more than two days, though, before the truly ugly websites got cranked up to have to "admit" things.

I don't think McCain needs any papers.

499 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:48:57am

re: #478 Salem

Not sure where you are from but I find it abundantly where I live and everywhere I have traveled in America. I can however attempt to reassure you that your little microcosm point of view is not prevalent. Unless you live in a Liberal City such as NewYork, San Francisco, or Chicago, and even there if you venture outside the city limits you will find it again.

500 Crimsonfisted  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:49:13am

re: #494 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait, is Sarah pregnant too?
/s


I meant for the new grandkid - well wishing and all.

501 GGMac  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:49:40am

re: #356 Salem

I wish I could wrap myself in comfy rationalizations. But I just can't bullshit myself like that. This is a palpable blow to McCain candidacy. Whether it's a fatal blow remains to be seen.

I have no reason to to be offended by 17-year-old pregnancies. But it's hardly an ideal. And the ideal is what Palin brought to this.

You seem to have the candidates mixed up - it's Obama who's basically claimed messiahship - not Palin.

502 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:49:47am

So she's expecting?

To Life !

& when I got married, our first son was 5 months along.

It's all good.

503 Optimizer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:49:49am

re: #92 kynna

... If McCain loses conservatives over this, then those people aren't conservatives. And they need to look back at their own family trees.

I'll just say this. My grandma was exactly 15 years older than my mom. It happens. It's what you do after it happens that matters.

My mother is a hard-core far-Right Christian Conservative. Had five kids, herself, and the oldest got into the same situation as Bristol. I cannot imagine this would be a deal-breaker for her.

Mostly, her types only care about two things: Abortion and Christianity. They'll make excuses for anything else.

504 Basho  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:49:56am

A teenager pregnant before getting married? All true Christians should be outraged!

If only Mary and Joseph were here to witness this!

505 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:50:08am

re: #433 medaura18586

I think you missed the information that the 'bump' the kos scum alluded to was on a photo taken in 2006.
As she is not in her fifth month - you surely can do the maths for yourself.

506 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:50:15am

re: #484 DCMacHead

McCain has to have a devastating ace up his sleeve if he picked someone with this type of skeleton in her closet. I'm looking forward to learning what devastating bombshell is going to drop on the Democratic campaign. I know it's verbotten to discuss on this blog, but I think McCain has a piece of paper in his possession which will cause problems for Obama under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

What skeleton? As a conservative Christian I only see this as a blessing for the Palin family. Us conservative Christian have this thing about actually cherishing life. We celebrate it even when our 17 year old daughters get pregnant before getting married. We may not be uber pleased that she isnt married or is only 17, but make no mistake about it, the new life she is bringing into the world thrills us no end...

507 Osama Bin Asshat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:50:36am

....one more person to vote Repub in 18 years!

508 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:50:57am

re: #501 GGMac

You seem to have the candidates mixed up - it's Obama who's basically claimed messiahship - not Palin.

messiahships are awarded, not claimed.

509 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:51:05am

re: #485 doriangrey

When the liberals decided that human being were a plague upon the earth that needed to be wiped out....

A bigger insult to the Creator I cannot imagine.

510 insanity police  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:51:05am

What ticks me off a little is that "broken-water-gate" (coined by buzzsawmonkey) will dominate the headlines and questions to the candidate at a time when I want to know Palin's take on specific issues. She is still relatively unknown, and I want to know how she feels about specific foreign policy issues, domestic policy, and how she envisions her role as V.P.

Also, it is a toss up right now, in my opinion, as to whether she has benefited or burdened McCain's campaign more at this point. In the last couple days we find out about her daughter, that she supported Pat Buchannan, and she is hurting the inexperience argument McCain was able to effectively use against Obama.

I'm voting for McCain, but I am second guessing the logic of picking Palin at this point.

511 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #402 theheat

What color is the sky in your world you sanctimonious blowhard?

512 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:51:28am

re: #469 So?

Gonna be a lot of kids running around the White House. They'll have to build a new wing.

I have no problem with her daughter's pregnancy, but I think the religious right won't be as accommodating.

I think the religious right will be quite accomodating. You don't really think that teen pregnancy is unheard of among the religious right do you? And then there is that whole Jesus schtick - "He who is without sin cast the first stone."

513 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:51:55am

re: #475 Dianna

Oh, I have a grip, rest assured. I'm just scratching my head as to why the pin wasn't pulled on this "grenade" on Friday instead of today. Unless, of course, the McCain camp meant to stir the left into a complete feeding frenzy.

514 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:52:54am

re: #513 calcajun

Oh, I have a grip, rest assured. I'm just scratching my head as to why the pin wasn't pulled on this "grenade" on Friday instead of today. Unless, of course, the McCain camp meant to stir the left into a complete feeding frenzy.

There may be some truth to your statement.

515 So?  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:53:05am

Let's be honest here, if it weren't for the pregnancy would they be getting married? Especially at 17?

516 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:53:28am

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

517 Mordecai  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:53:45am

Congratulations to Bristol Palin and his future husband. In these days in which children are seen as a liability, instead of being seen as the blessing they are, showing this kind of responsability (having the baby and marrying), is quite refreshing. They are in my prayers.

Anyway, I couldn't care less. This wouldn't change my vote. This only speaks volumes about the character and courage of John McCain. What a brave man he is. I hope he is elected. I can trust this man as the leader of the US and of the Free World.

If the Dems use this as a weapon, it can only backfire.

518 So?  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:54:08am

re: #512 galloping granny

I think the religious right will be quite accomodating. You don't really think that teen pregnancy is unheard of among the religious right do you? And then there is that whole Jesus schtick - "He who is without sin cast the first stone."

Guess we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

519 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:54:21am

re: #504 Basho

A teenager pregnant before getting married? All true Christians should be outraged!

If only Mary and Joseph were here to witness this!

Please let that be the Republican Party response!

Best. Comeback. Ever.

520 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:54:37am

re: #513 calcajun

Oh, I have a grip, rest assured. I'm just scratching my head as to why the pin wasn't pulled on this "grenade" on Friday instead of today. Unless, of course, the McCain camp meant to stir the left into a complete feeding frenzy.

If anybody else tells you to "get a clue" or "get a grip", tell them to f*** off.
I suspect the last sentence is fairly close.

ROVE: take a memo from McCain, the master.

521 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:54:45am

re: #515 So?

Let's be honest here, if it weren't for the pregnancy would they be getting married? Especially at 17?

And this is relevant why?

522 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:54:45am

re: #493 calcajun

My concern is not the morality, but the type of intelligent attack the left will ultimately make. I think the McCain campaign should have brought this out on Friday--that the young man should have been there on stage with his intended, instead of this reveal this morning. This is just so much grist for the leftist mill and McCain & Palin would have been wiser to deny them this ammunition. The fact that it is being revealed this morning makes me concerned that there is more to the story. I hope and pray there isn't.

Friday was Sarah's day. Her first impression on the political world.

I admire McCaine for making the appointment knowing this.

I admire Sarah for not making one of her kids the center piece of the introduction.

The timing is what it is. She will be speaking in a couple of days and this will be old news.

523 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:54:49am

re: #515 So?

Let's be honest here, if it weren't for the pregnancy would they be getting married? Especially at 17?

I buy my crystal ball at the same store where you get yours.

524 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:54:52am

Uh, just thought of this, but what is the age of consent in Alaska?

525 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:54:59am

re: #512 galloping granny

I think the religious right will be quite accomodating. You don't really think that teen pregnancy is unheard of among the religious right do you? And then there is that whole Jesus schtick - "He who is without sin cast the first stone."

Absolutely. These people opining this have never met an Evangelical obviously. My wife is one. The only issue will b to encourage baptism.

526 jaunte  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:55:29am

re: #516 jordank

Are you suggesting the response would be different if the story was about one of Biden's daughters? I think not.

527 jas  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:55:50am
I do find it outrageous that the girl is pregnant though. Not that it reflects in any meaningful way on her mother, but come on! She was sexually active at 16? Well wait, I guess it does reflect poorly on her mother, with the silly statements about how she wouldn't want pot to be legalized because of the bad influence on her children... give me a break.

Wow...nice job on your part. There were plenty things my parents warned about, that I went ahead and did anyway as a teenager. That neither made them bad parents or ruined my upbringing. There was nothing hypocritical in that statement. As a parent, you offer your kids support and education and hope for the best. Some lessons aren't necessarily learned the moment they leave the parents mouth.

528 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:55:53am

re: #484 DCMacHead

What skeleton? She will have the baby. It is abortions that make skeletons.

This is all a plus.

529 Mordecai  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:56:21am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

No. But if you do it, at least accept the consecuences of your acts and sin no more. It would be worse to sin (fornicate), and commit a bigger sin (abort the baby) to try to clean your previous sin.

530 Optimizer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:56:24am

re: #102 MandyManners

Oh, I hope the pregnancy is uneventful. If a miscarriage were to happen, I guarantee you that the left will claim she terminated the pregnancy.

Shame on you. You don't want to see her miscarry because of some insane moonbats? I expected better in here.

531 talon_262  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:56:32am

re: #510 insanity police

What ticks me off a little is that "broken-water-gate" (coined by buzzsawmonkey) will dominate the headlines and questions to the candidate at a time when I want to know Palin's take on specific issues. She is still relatively unknown, and I want to know how she feels about specific foreign policy issues, domestic policy, and how she envisions her role as V.P.

Also, it is a toss up right now, in my opinion, as to whether she has benefited or burdened McCain's campaign more at this point. In the last couple days we find out about her daughter, that she supported Pat Buchannan, and she is hurting the inexperience argument McCain was able to effectively use against Obama.

I'm voting for McCain, but I am second guessing the logic of picking Palin at this point.

This isn't a time to be weak in the knees...either you're in or you're out, because, frankly, Palin brought the most to the table to fill McCain's gaps, in my opinion.

To those like you who going wobbly on McCain/Palin: what's it gonna be?

532 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:56:35am

re: #63 vagabond trader

Not my business and certainly not that of the dems. My only concern is losing the conservatives.

Because this stuff NEVER happens to conservatives.

533 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:57:10am

re: #518 So?

Guess we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

Let me guess, you havent been paying any attention to how the Conservative Christians right here at LGF are reacting? Or perhaps you think we somehow are not representative of our fellow Conservative Christians?

534 kynna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:57:17am

re: #402 theheat

LOL. Gimme a break. What a tool you are. I wish the girl had used birth control, but unless Sarah Palin had been there at that moment to shove the condom on the boy's tallywacker and failed to do so there's no blame to be put on her shoulders.

The girl is 17. She may have wanted to get pregnant. A lot of times these conceptions are not "accidents".

Duh.

535 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:57:32am

re: #515 So?

Let's be honest here, if it weren't for the pregnancy would they be getting married? Especially at 17?

They might. And they would most certainly be likely to live together either way.

536 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:57:35am

re: #476 Biff

Nice one!
Hadn't thought of that - yummmeee!

537 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:57:55am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

That is right. Virginity is over rated. This is not adultery.

538 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:58:12am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

I love the smell of a self-righteous ignorant person in the early afternoon.

539 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:58:35am

re: #522 The Shadow Do

Friday was Sarah's day. Her first impression on the political world.

I admire McCaine for making the appointment knowing this.

I admire Sarah for not making one of her kids the center piece of the introduction.

The timing is what it is. She will be speaking in a couple of days and this will be old news.

Agree totally. But, there would have been a more gracious way to deal with this. The young couple should have been on stage at Dayton -with Bristol with a ring on her finger. Gov. Palin could have made a short introduction of her daughter and future son-in-law, and that could have been the end of it. McCain and Palin simply took a different course. Only time will tell which would have been the better plan of action.

540 talon_262  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:59:11am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

I smell the distinct, pungent odor of troll...

541 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:59:15am

re: #491 The Shadow Do

Bummer, that clip ain't on YouTube.

542 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:59:23am

re: #538 OldLineTexan

LOL

543 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:00:04am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

Taking fornication lightly? What in your ever so infinite wisdom do you propose we do with the couple? Drag them out into the public square and stone them to death? Since you seem to take on the mantle of sinless then why don't you throw the first stone? Your animosity towards Christians shows and I, quite frankly grow tired of the un-Churched mocking us for our beliefs. If there is no G_d then I will have been no worse for following the Christians. If there is a G_d and that the Christians were right, then you will be much worse for not following.

544 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:00:16am

re: #538 OldLineTexan

Yes. what a smell.

...

And the two young 'uns, I bet they're in love.

Life ! the biggest gift.

545 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:00:18am

re: #515 So?

Let's be honest here, if it weren't for the pregnancy would they be getting married? Especially at 17?

who cares, their doing the right thing.

Why are you being such a Moby

546 jaunte  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:00:40am

re: #538 OldLineTexan

That whole 'forgiveness' angle may have escaped him.

547 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:00:41am

re: #538 OldLineTexan

Have you even read the Bible?

548 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:00:50am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

I am a Christian and I take it very seriously. I am an ardent practitioner with my wife of 20 years and one day, I hope to get it right.

549 insanity police  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:00:59am

re: #531 talon_262

This isn't a time to be weak in the knees...either you're in or you're out, because, frankly, Palin brought the most to the table to fill McCain's gaps, in my opinion.

To those like you who going wobbly on McCain/Palin: what's it gonna be?

Most people vote for President, not VP. That's the reality. I'm not going wobbly on McCain, but he's not a self-proclaimed Messiah, so I can question his V.P. choice. The job of the VP candidate while campaigning is not to screw up, or to mess with the candidate. There's been problems already with her, and that's legitimate to point out.

550 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:01:09am

re: #448 insanity police

I'm not questioning the legality of it. No law was broken. But I do find it highly indecent. I don't know where you are getting this stat that the average age of first sexual encounter is but if it were actually 16, then this must be a nation of sluts! Does there mean there is a 13 year old sexually active girl for every 19 year old virgin?

Something like this makes me realize how improbably socially conservative I am. I'm not religious, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage for all intents and purposes, but I am outraged by a 16 year old sexually active girl. I was such an innocent little girl at that age. Then again I do come from a very conservative culture (by American standards) to which I do not consciously subscribe, but which I must have absorbed by osmosis.

16 year olds having sex is just trashy in my eyes. Whether Bristol gets married or not, her child will be raised by her family for all intents and purposes. And yes, it does highlight the hypocrisy of socially conservative families who tout such credentials but can't even instill them in their own children.

That being said, and I realize it sounds harsh, my view of Palin's suitability as VP is not affected. She's not running for mother of the year, and she will have no power to legistlate her social values which I find her not being good at. The VP slot is a merely executive position. Her daughter's pregnancy or the events that led to it are completely irrelevant.

551 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:01:29am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

And it seems you are angered that those so called "Christians" here on this board are not screaming for Bristol's head on a pike. You obviously dont know anything much about us Christians.

552 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:01:33am

re: #538 OldLineTexan

I love the smell of a self-righteous ignorant person troll in the early afternoon.

Fixed that for you.

553 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:02:00am

re: #547 jordank

I believe it says love your neighbor

554 Aylios  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:02:03am

At first I was a bit shocked by this, in fact I was a LOT shocked, but then it occurred to me that maybe people need this example to bring them back down to earth. Maybe we need to change our perspective on this.

One of the reasons that western societies are in demographic decline is precisely due to the stigma attached to having kids before you're ... what? 30 ...40? and then there's more stigma attached if you have more than 2 kids. Other societies and within our own society, the muslim sub-culture, have no such reservations, which is why we are being demographically displaced by them, especially here in Europe.

We all run around convinced that we need to 'live our lives' before having kids. Kinda weird when you think about it, isn't it? As if your life is no longer 'livable' after you've had a kid, whereas in fact it's the opposite, the only time I feel that my life is really worth living is when my kids are around. Looking back, I regret not having had kids sooner.

555 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:02:07am

re: #515 So?

Let's be honest here, if it weren't for the pregnancy would they be getting married? Especially at 17?

I think all this did was move the date up a little. After all, her parents were highschool sweethearts.

556 Mordecai  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:02:23am

re: #534 kynna

The girl is 17. She may have wanted to get pregnant. A lot of times these conceptions are not "accidents".

True. I remember news from... earlier this summer?, in which a group of teens from the same High School had made a pact to get pregnant at almost the same time and raise the kids together. I only wish I could remember where I read it...

557 musicman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:02:40am

re: #516 jordank

On the contrary. Fornication is a sin, so is murder, so it theft, etc. I like what my pastor says about those who sin..."The ground is level at the cross." we are all sinners and sin is forgivable. But according to Obama sin is punishable and not forgivable if it involves his daughters and an un-wanted pregnancy.

558 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:02:46am

re: #481 Lynn B.

Those photos were from February or March. Baby bump? I don't think so.

Well she is 5 months pregnant... hmmm... yeah I guess you're right. That wasn't even a baby bump. Still a weird coincidence that they went after the daughter and she turned out to be pregnant.

559 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:02:59am

re: #525 pat

Absolutely. These people opining this have never met an Evangelical obviously. My wife is one. The only issue will b to encourage baptism.

Some denominations do not baptize infants.

560 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:03:37am

re: #548 calcajun

Ha! Practice makes perfect. Keep at it!

561 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:03:45am

Because Christians try to live by moral and standards - they are somehow not allowed any moral slip-ups.

I thought Barry was a Christian?

562 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:03:50am
563 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:07am

re: #551 doriangrey

And it seems you are angered that those so called "Christians" here on this board are not screaming for Bristol's head on a pike. You obviously dont know anything much about us Christians.

unstrike "anything", and strike "us".
I happen to be a so-called Baha'i.
Refer to the Jewish line "same union, different local".

564 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:11am

re: #539 calcajun

Agree totally. But, there would have been a more gracious way to deal with this. The young couple should have been on stage at Dayton -with Bristol with a ring on her finger. Gov. Palin could have made a short introduction of her daughter and future son-in-law, and that could have been the end of it. McCain and Palin simply took a different course. Only time will tell which would have been the better plan of action.

On the other hand, not bringing in the fiance at the get go gave Obama's Dirty Tricks R Us goons to go full-bore postal first.

565 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:12am

Most Christians know how difficult it is to live up to the standards we hold. We are not surprised when someone fails to live up to our standards. Personally, I don't even know if her daughter considers herself a Christian, so why would I expect her to live up to my standards in the first place? I have a log stuck in my eye and I need to worry about the speck in hers?

My understanding of the canons (rules) of my church (I'm not R. Catholic) is that the remedy for fornication is 5 years excommunication. There is another canon that says that a bishop can reduce the time of excommunication even down to nothing if the person takes responsibility for their decisions.

Only a few dense or new and inexperienced Christians would have a problem with this. Then there are those cold, hateful, severe and grim people who call themselves Christians but seem to have forgotten most of what Christ said who will also have problems with this. Among Christians, these people are a small minority.

566 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:12am

re: #559 galloping granny

Sarah Barracuda was baptized Catholic

567 EZ G  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:15am

As one of those "crazy evangelicals" I say NON ISSUE. This happens.

How it is dealt with is what is important and obviously it is being dealt with in the best possible way. Governor Palin has clearly raised her children well in that they respect life and accept responsibility. If anything this further endears her and her family.

As a side note, I have been seriously disappointed at the disparaging tone towards christians on this site. From all the extreme anti creationist posts to this one. IMO take it down a notch or three.

568 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:29am

Am I the only one noticing that as of recently the whole media discussion has been on the VP's and it seems Obama and McCain have been totally invisible?

569 So?  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:31am

re: #521 doriangrey

And this is relevant why?

Why is this relevant?

/Mazel Tov. All 17 year olds should get pregnant and get married, the world would be a much better place.

570 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:36am

re: #547 jordank

Have you even read the Bible?

Why, yes, yes I have. Especially the New Testament, and the teachings of that odd Jewish carpenter.

Thank you for asking; what a lovely young person you are.

Now I'll ask you a question: If you have read the Bible, did you understand any of it?

571 BackwardsBoy  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:47am

Have faith! This won't harm a thing. The child will be raised with a lot of love. This situation will be handled with grace and wit by conservatives and seething and hypocrisy by the libs. After all, the best part of the Palin family is that they are "real world people". I personally wish them all the best!

572 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:51am

re: #561 FrogMarch

only liberals are allowed slip ups, then the media will play defense for them and anyone who questions them is a Neo Con

573 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:04:54am

re: #476 Biff

(Evil Grin)

574 Shay4l  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:05:15am

I predict the ones that scream the loudest against her are the ones whose biological parents never wed.

575 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:05:35am

re: #564 galloping granny

On the other hand, not bringing in the fiance at the get go gave Obama's Dirty Tricks R Us goons to go full-bore postal first.

True. I mentioned earlier that this may have been a plan to start a feeding frenzy--and it's worked.

576 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:05:36am

re: #74 txcamper

Except, a large part of the voting base, you know the gun toting bible clinging people in fly over will empathize with the Palin's. It sucks for the family, but they are an American family. Of course Obama was born out of wedlock to a teenage mother ... choices are made and there are consequences. The important part, how do they handle the consequences? Abortion for the punishment, ala Obama's speech about his daughters? Or own up, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and get to work.

Too many people I know have been in the same situation ... Bristol, may G-d bless you and your child. And everyone who as a problem with her, check your own glass house for cracks.

Celtic Templar

577 vapig  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:05:53am

re: #458 jacksontn

Why not just face this head on? When they introduce the family at the convention have the daughter and her fiancee come on the stage with the family. I believe the slamming of the Palins and their daughter in particular will backfire on Obama. I wish Sarah would say in an interview something about the comment Obama made about being punished with a baby.

THAT would be a nice hit!

578 Lynn B.  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:06:33am

re: #479 jordank

Speak for yourself, [deleted].

579 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:06:43am

re: #539 calcajun

Agree totally. But, there would have been a more gracious way to deal with this. The young couple should have been on stage at Dayton -with Bristol with a ring on her finger. Gov. Palin could have made a short introduction of her daughter and future son-in-law, and that could have been the end of it. McCain and Palin simply took a different course. Only time will tell which would have been the better plan of action.

I agree, this would have been nice.

580 Maximu§  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:06:46am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

Thats quite an ignorant statement.

581 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:06:53am

re: #561 FrogMarch

Because Christians try to live by moral and standards - they are somehow not allowed any moral slip-ups.

I thought Barry was a Christian?

ROTFL.

582 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:07:05am

There is no need for forgiveness. Th girl did commit a sin. And under any circumstances the intent to marry absolves her of all ecclesiastical transgression. That is right, the intent. The boy could die tomorrow and she would be considered as a widow. In Germany for instance, the early Catholic and Lutheran churches allowed sex by the mere announcement of an engagement.

583 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:07:20am

BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY! [NOW UPDATED WITH EVEN MORE DASTARDLY HYPOCRISYNESS!]

Time to keep a running list of Sarah Palin’s sins — lovingly gathered, mostly in crazed speculative form, by members of the Church of Diversity and Otherness Coddling, and reprinted here, with my gloss, for your delectation.

1) Alan Colmes: Poor prenatal care (waiting too long after her water broke to get to a hospital) on Palin’s part created a Downs baby. Reached for comment, Science suggested Colmes shut his ignorant yap — and for Chrissakes, get a tan.

2) Andrew Sullivan, et al: “Concern” that Palin taking time away from the young defective she should have shitcanned with a metal rod and some clinical suction (call it “compassionate eugenics“!) could cause even more harm to the useless little drain on society that should never have been born in the first place (call it “the nurturer’s addendum for those greedy hick breeders who refused to take the high road and just snuff the damaged goods in utero”). A child needs a stay-at-home-mother! — if that child happens to be the child of a Republican breeder! Or haven’t you people been paying attention to the nuances of establishment feminist theory?*

3) Also via Sullivan: Two of the Palin’s children, Piper and Willow, share names with characters from shows that deal with “witchcraft” (”Charmed,” I believe?) — though they were born and named before the show first aired. This is suggestive to Sullivan — the last of the true conservatives (well, if you don’t count Glenn Greenwald(s) and John Cole) — that the Palins are into Satanic occultism. Either that, or they like Piper Laurie (Carrie’s Mom! Fast Eddie’s gimp gal pal!) or small aircraft. In which case, just sick.

As for Willow — a city in Alaska, a Val Kilmer dwarf movie, a tree? Please. This has Old Scratch worship written all over it.
(h/t TomB)

4) From Aravosis — evidently frustrated in not yet being able to find pics of Palin’s husband getting busy with his boatmates (project name: “GAY PORN COCK OF ATLANTIC COD HARVESTING”) — news that the Palin’s son was born eight months after the elopement of the still married parents. Suggesting that Sarah and the first dude of AK may have gotten busy in the backseat of a pickup to some INXS — resulting in the necessity for a shotgun wedding that has lasted many many years –

584 metal man  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:07:22am

This shows a difference in the McCain campaign and Obamas.
McCain invited onto his bus someone that had what some would call baggage. Obama has all passengers with any possible baggage thrown under the bus including his own Grandmother.

585 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:07:32am

more...

5) — But at what cost? Whose children are whose, really? Can we tell? I mean, do they even have blood tests in Alaska? If I recall my “Northern Exposure,” those folks were living almost like blubber boiling Inuit igloo people — until a New Yorker showed up to save them all from their backward-ass selves.

Thus far, I’ve heard speculation, via Daily Kos, that two of Sarah’s children are actually her grandchildren, and that in one case, incest was involved. Which, maybe these folks should get together with Alan Colmes to try to explain the phantom water breaking of a non-pregnant woman.

And if that fails, bring in Sullivan. Because as he’ll tell you, the Devil would have no problem orchestrating that kind of misdirection.

6) Palin, according to the “feminists” at Feministe and Pandagon, is an “anti-feminist” and “anti-woman” — appealing as she does to women who feel inferior, and who don’t adequately mistrust the patriarchy. Her deeds are unimportant. That she has made her own way on her own gifts and hard work suggests that she has adopted the mindset of a man. Because as everyone knows, we can never truly have “equality” or a “strong female role model” until we have a number of laws that give women special dispensation — laws that are embraced and championed by women of white privilege, not callously ignored by moose dressing hicks with beehives and stretched uteri, married to men who, like, fish unironically.

Real feminists back Bill Clinton and John Edwards — whose love for this country is so strong that sometimes they feel as though they have to stick their cocks into all of it.

586 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:07:48am

re: #577 vapig

That O punished with a baby remark disqualifies him from having any power in this world at all IMHO.

587 HDrepub  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:07:51am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

I'm not a Christian bud. They don't allow me in a church house, for fear the roof will fall in.

588 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:08:22am

7) Palin’s good looks (which really aren’t good at all: she’s got ghastly hair, and the windburned color of a high plains strumpet) suggest she was chosen for the ticket, according to some CNN pool reporters, because she’s giving McCain regular hummers. How else to explain it? I mean, Eleanor Clift and her fellow reporters literally laughed at the choice. Is McCain serious? This woman has virtually no experience! Unlike Obama — who, though he doesn’t have experience, cannot be held responsible for such a gaping hole in his resume. Institutional racism, you see. Experience is relative. It’s a black thing, you wouldn’t understand. Says Whitey.

8) The Politico reports, “Presidential scholars say [Sarah Palin] appears to be the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era.”

…Well, other than Obama, it goes without saying. But just who are these “presidential scholars”?:

UPDATE: After reading this article, the McCain campaign issued the following statement: “The authors quote four scholars attacking Gov. Palin’s fitness for the office of vice president. Among them, David Kennedy is a maxed-out Obama donor, Joel Goldstein is also an Obama donor, and Doris Kearns Goodwin has donated exclusively to Democrats this cycle. Finally, Matthew Dallek is a former speech writer for Dick Gephardt. This is not a story about scholars questioning Gov. Palin’s credentials so much as partisan Democrats who would find a reason to disqualify or discount any nominee put forward by Sen. McCain.”

Post-partisanship, people. Take a big whiff of the hope and change!

9) Maureen Dowd, aging beauty whose Manhattanite sensibilities and upper-crust connections mark her as, like, so totally different from Palin (Modo would never dress a moose, naturally — unless it arrived at one of her parties wearing something completely inappropriate), that she’s going to spend the next few months making sure she you know it:

“The P.T.A. is great preparation for dealing with the K.G.B.,” President Palin murmurs to Todd, as they kiss in the final scene while she changes Trig’s diaper. “Now that Georgia’s safe, how ’bout I cook you up some caribou hot dogs and moose stew for dinner, babe?”

My goodness! This hick comedy is golden!

Forced? Why, how dare you! Likely to alienate a great swath of voters? Well, perhaps. But that’s assuming they can read. I mean, it’s not like she’s writing this in Reader’s Digest, TV Guide or, you know, the Bible.

Really. Like that New Yorker cover, this is not really meant for certain people. Sniff.

589 kynna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:08:28am

re: #556 Mordecai

True. I remember news from... earlier this summer?, in which a group of teens from the same High School had made a pact to get pregnant at almost the same time and raise the kids together. I only wish I could remember where I read it...

Especially when they're hit with the 'blissful unwed mother' pics of all the blond teen stars as they go through the check out. It's a real uphill battle moms have to climb these days to keep their teenaged daughters thinking realistically.

I have added the Palin family to my daily prayers and I hope everyone else who prays does as well. They'll need it.

PS: Everyone who can should upding #1. I think he's the victim of some peeps who didn't notice the sarc tag. ;D

590 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:08:29am

re: #547 jordank

Have you even read the Bible?

That was over the line.

591 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:08:33am

0) Palin? Positively Cheneyesque. Probably actually uses Heinz 57 on her mooseburgers. The trailer trash queen of all that is evil and unholy…

11) If you’re going to RAPE THE SEAS, you need government approval. EARTH KILLER!

12) Josh Marshall asks, simply, “Eagleton”? The idea? That Palin is a head fake, a way to win the election (which of course the Republicans can’t win, given the unseriousness of the pick, and how a horrified and insulted electorate will recoil from such calculated frippery — but you know, just in case), at which point Palin, having propelled McCain into the White House, will step down, allowing the guy with the magic underwear to be named in her place. Evidently, this accomplishes…uh, I’m not really sure. “Fucking over the people who voted for you for no reason that anyone can think of,” maybe? (h/t Robin Mac and Pablo)

13) McCain has suspended the RNC convention because Palin is unprepared. Meaning, I guess, that she simply doesn’t have the proper shoes! And that will not do!

— Or else, the suggestion is that’s she’s not ready quite for primetime — something that none of her appearances since the announcement of her selection seems thus far to corroborate. So it’s gotta be the shoe problem.

Blessedly, a potentially deadly hurricane has come along to give the GOP time to find themselves a fast-working Henry Higgins. And maybe bring in Stacey and Clinton to convince Gov Palin to trade in her pelts for something with better lines, and with subtle-but-interesting patterns that say, “Yes, I’m a conservative woman, but no, I won’t, on my way to scrubbing the chum off the trawler deck, gut you with a Bowie knife for doubting creationism.”

Which, I guess, would put them in rather famous company when it comes to thanking God for another pointed natural disaster coming along just when it was most needed… (thanks to Victor)

14) Uh oh. Looks like Palin might have just lost the BK crowd…

15) More Sullivan, who is now checking birth records. So far, he can’t find the proper documentation. Which means, of course, that TRIG’S MOTHER WAS A JACKAL!

666!1!eleventy!

592 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:08:34am

re: #540 talon_262

yeah, me too; Troll, or maybe Moby.

I doubt the religious right (whatever that means) is going to be very upset about this. The left is going to go ballistic, but they'd have done that in any case.

If this is the worst scandal that can be dug up on Palin, I'd say she's doing pretty well.

593 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:08:38am
594 jas  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:09:09am

Focus On The Family

Apparently, Dobson has issued some kind of statement. KJL at the Corner had this quote.

"In the 32-year history of Focus on the Family, we have offered > prayer, counseling and resource assistance to tens of thousands of > parents and children in the same situation the Palins find themselves > in. We have always encouraged the parents to love and support their > children and always advised the girls to see their pregnancies > through, even though there will of course be challenges along the way. > That is what the Palins are doing and they should be commended for > once again not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family > values, but in living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances. > > "Being a Christian does not mean you're perfect. Nor does it mean that > your children are perfect. But it does mean that there is forgiveness > and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord. I've > been the beneficiary of that forgiveness and restoration in my own > life countless times, as I'm sure the Palins have." > > "The media is already trying to spin this as evidence that Gov. Palin > is a 'hypocrite,' but all it really means is that she and her family are human. > They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans."

595 baxtrice  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:09:15am

Congrats to the family, but in all seriousness, please wake me when they decide to start pushing the Real issues and not this crap.

596 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:09:28am

re: #568 jordank

Am I the only one noticing that as of recently the whole media discussion has been on the VP's and it seems Obama and McCain have been totally invisible?

This is entirely due to the irrational fear from the left over the Palin appointment. Very telling.

597 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:09:37am

re: #583 FrogMarch

BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY! [NOW UPDATED WITH EVEN MORE DASTARDLY HYPOCRISYNESS!]

Time to keep a running list of Sarah Palin’s sins — lovingly gathered, mostly in crazed speculative form, by members of the Church of Diversity and Otherness Coddling, and reprinted here, with my gloss, for your delectation.


As for Willow — a city in Alaska, a Val Kilmer dwarf movie, a tree? Please. This has Old Scratch worship written all over it.
(h/t TomB)


Little known Sarah Palin fact: Willow, technically, is also the capitol of Alaska.
I am not kidding.

598 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:09:48am

re: #585 FrogMarch

5) — But at what cost? Whose children are whose, really?

All children belong to God. The Left does not get this.

599 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:10:04am

8) The Politico reports, “Presidential scholars say [Sarah Palin] appears to be the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era.”

…Well, other than Obama, it goes without saying. But just who are these “presidential scholars”?:

UPDATE: After reading this article, the McCain campaign issued the following statement: “The authors quote four scholars attacking Gov. Palin’s fitness for the office of vice president. Among them, David Kennedy is a maxed-out Obama donor, Joel Goldstein is also an Obama donor, and Doris Kearns Goodwin has donated exclusively to Democrats this cycle. Finally, Matthew Dallek is a former speech writer for Dick Gephardt. This is not a story about scholars questioning Gov. Palin’s credentials so much as partisan Democrats who would find a reason to disqualify or discount any nominee put forward by Sen. McCain.”

Post-partisanship, people. Take a big whiff of the hope and change!

DNC MEDIA = PURE BULLSHIT

600 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:10:05am

re: #587 HDrepub

I'm not a Christian bud. They don't allow me in a church house, for fear the roof will fall in.

The Church roof was reinforced for people like us. You have nothing to fear.

601 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:10:37am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

No actually, you must have not gotten the update that came out oh, about 33 A.D... It read stoning out (no more). Forgiveness of sins, IN.

602 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:10:39am

re: #587 HDrepub

I'm not a Christian bud. They don't allow me in a church house, for fear the roof will fall in.

Oh my.... You are gravitationally challenged?

603 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:11:01am

re: #441 Tom Kratman

True.

The fact is, people have always had irresponsible sex outside of marriage. It's not going to change.

604 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:11:05am

Sheesh, with all this talk of Palin and her family in the media in the last 3 days, you would think right now McCain would be reconsidering endorsing Britney Spears, since she would have less controversy! lol

605 Colonel Panik  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:11:13am

re: #410 Rancher

Someone had a link with the Obama logo used to spell Over. Can anyone help me find it?

Here ya go Hoss.

606 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:11:19am

re: #595 baxtrice

Congrats to the family, but in all seriousness, please wake me when they decide to start pushing the Real issues and not this crap.

I'm sorely tempted to shut down the computer and TV and turn it on again when both hurricanes are over.

607 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:11:20am

re: #559 galloping granny

Some denominations do not baptize infants.

True enough, and Th Assemblies are such. But Palin goes to a different Church in Juneau that I am not familiar with, And Levi.....(from Hebrew for 'priest',lol).

608 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:11:26am

re: #593 buzzsawmonkey

What a field day for "the heat";
In his mouth he inserts both feet
Hoping the McCain ticket's gonna be
Derailed by this new Palin pregnancy
It's time we stopped--hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goin' down

--Caribou Springfield

I nominate buzzsawmonkey as poet laureate of Labor Day, 2008.

609 talon_262  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:11:33am

re: #577 vapig

re: #458 jacksontn

Why not just face this head on? When they introduce the family at the convention have the daughter and her fiancee come on the stage with the family. I believe the slamming of the Palins and their daughter in particular will backfire on Obama. I wish Sarah would say in an interview something about the comment Obama made about being punished with a baby.

THAT would be a nice hit!

While that would be nice to hear politically, it would be extremely crass for Palin to use her daughter/pending grandbaby as a political tool. I believe Palin has too much class and integrity for the campaign to stoop to the Dems' level like that...

610 clevebrownie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:11:42am

How is this an issue when the far more obvious things like BHO being mentored by slime like Saul Alinsky get no time and are actually germane?

611 vapig  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:12:05am
re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

Right - let's burn the harlot at the stake!

/ass

612 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:12:06am
613 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:12:06am

re: #516 jordank

Not at all--I think most of us take to heart the admonition of Jesus who taught repeatedly that He alone is the perfect judge since all of us are flawed and will make mistakes. He had very harsh words for people who judged and condemned others when they were guilty of the same or even worse sins.

If it makes you better believing that we are hypocrites, go right ahead. I think you will find that your condescending sneering demeanor will win you no friends.

614 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:12:13am

Been insanely busy this weekend, but I don't see any controversy.

The Palin's walk the walk.

No I am wondering what the accepting, inclusive and moral left is going to do other than bid her congratulations and moral support.

615 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:12:18am

Also, do recall the Kerry gaffe vis-a-vis Cheyney's homosexual daughter ... Kerry lost a bunch in the polls. Normal people despise the I'm better than you tact in politics. Obama would do best by being gracious, "sympathetic", and lay off any heat. As a McCain guy, I would respect him for it, but I don't expect it.

616 humpty dumpty was pushed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:13:03am

Okay, I see the relevance here. This disqualifies Palin because if her 17 yr old got pregnant it proves...um...it means, ah...uh...her daughter has something in common with 70 percent of young mothers in certain communities? Yeah...and so Palin and the parents of all the teen mothers should be barred from elected office because...uh...never mind. So how is this relevant to her candidacy?

617 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:13:26am

re: #587 HDrepub

I'm not a Christian bud. They don't allow me in a church house, for fear the roof will fall in.

You're welcome under our roof any time. I helped build it, it's solid.

618 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:13:49am

re: #615 Celtic Templar

Also, do recall the Kerry gaffe vis-a-vis Cheyney's homosexual daughter ... Kerry lost a bunch in the polls. Normal people despise the I'm better than you tact in politics. Obama would do best by being gracious, "sympathetic", and lay off any heat. As a McCain guy, I would respect him for it, but I don't expect it.

Obama would do well to pretend it didn't even happen.
While he concentrates on calling off all the dogs he has no connection to.

619 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:14:12am
620 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:14:34am

re: #609 talon_262

While that would be nice to hear politically, it would be extremely crass for Palin to use her daughter/pending grandbaby as a political tool. I believe Palin has too much class and integrity for the campaign to stoop to the Dems' level like that...

I agree. Bristol need only make mention of being blessed with a baby, and the pundits will take care of the rest.

621 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:14:47am

re: #613 twincitiesgirl

Not at all--I think most of us take to heart the admonition of Jesus who taught repeatedly that He alone is the perfect judge since all of us are flawed and will make mistakes. He had very harsh words for people who judged and condemned others when they were guilty of the same or even worse sins.

If it makes you better believing that we are hypocrites, go right ahead. I think you will find that your condescending sneering demeanor will win you no friends.

Isn't there a double standard in that?

Would you be in favor of abortion remaining legalized? Who are social conservatives then, to judge women who want to have abortions? Let Jesus judge them perfectly in the afterlife instead of trying to legislate your morality on Earth.

...not many would agree though, would you?

622 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:14:51am

re: #592 TalkinKamel

yeah, me too; Troll, or maybe Moby.

I doubt the religious right (whatever that means) is going to be very upset about this. The left is going to go ballistic, but they'd have done that in any case.

If this is the worst scandal that can be dug up on Palin, I'd say she's doing pretty well.

Sure puts paid to the crap they have been spewing about Bristol, doesn't it?

623 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:14:52am

re: #613 twincitiesgirl

re: #516 jordank

If it makes you feel better believing that we are hypocrites, go right ahead. I think you will find that your condescending sneering demeanor will win you no friends.

624 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:15:20am

Been listening to the Lefty KTLK 1150 in LA and this they can't get enough of this story. Most of the callers think that this is the daughter's second pregnancy and that Palin is actually the grandmother of the down syndrome child.

And, of course, every caller see this as proof that Sarah Palin is the world biggest hypocrite because she claims to have Christian values and yet he family is less than perfect.

A intense hatred for Sarah Palin is evident in the voices of each caller.

625 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:15:20am

re: #594 jas

What a dastardly thing to say. Burn him at the stake. Proggie style.
Now - fellow LGers - we must track down Bristol and kill her so that the proggies will be happy.
I mean - the proggies don't even flinch when Islamic males kill their daughters for lesser offenses.

626 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:15:45am

re: #617 jcm

Imagine how many people have gone into Chartres. It's still standing.


A strong roof

627 jamie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:16:11am

re: #436 FrogMarch

You fucking leftards pretend to know what is best? Maybe she wanted a baby? Some young wowen really are excited about having babies. Just becasue you are a baby-hating progressive asshole, doesn't mean you understand how this family feels about anything.

Oh - and she doesn't need your pity, asshole.
Go abort yourself.

Well, if the original poster was looking for a mouth-frothing response designed to make the person replying look foolish, you certainly gave them what they were looking for. Mazel tov.

628 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:16:16am

re: #594 jas


They will rally around her.
Continue the attack and I believe conservatives will only circle the wagons.
I have her back for one!

629 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:16:23am

re: #603 Dianna

True.

The fact is, people have always had irresponsible sex outside of marriage. It's not going to change.

Two loving parents who decide to take life-long responsibility for the product of their sexual encounter is in no way "irresponsible sex" - with or without the benefit of marriage.

630 Bobblehead  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:16:45am

Hot Air is already reporting that that evangelicals are rallying to Palin..

Update: And as if right on cue to prove my last point, here’s David Brody of CBN explaining why this won’t hurt Palin with the base.

I’m sure lots of people will take their shots at the pro-life Christian woman but hold on a moment. If you think Evangelicals are going to ditch her for this, you’re totally misreading the situation. As a matter of fact, they are ready to fire back at any potential critics…

Look, this development will actually be positive for the most part with Evangelicals. First they hear that Sarah Palin chooses the life option even though she had a Downs Syndrome baby and once again the family (and Bristol) has chosen the life option in this recent case. That’s a double “ca-ching”. Let’s call this the Evangelical daily double. If anything, this whole situation will probably make more people around the country relate to her and her family. It makes them more real. Will there by some turned off by the whole pre-marital sex thing? Of course but this type of story doesn’t sink her at all with Evangelicals.

631 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:16:54am

re: #594 jas

Focus On The Family

Apparently, Dobson has issued some kind of statement. KJL at the Corner had this quote.

Oh dang.... Seems like being from the same conservative christian background as Dobson does mean I know exactly what to expect from him and my fellow Christians after all.... Who would have thunk that they would react almost exactly the way I did... Simply boggles the mind...

632 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:16:58am

re: #618 jwb7605

Obama, in my opinion, has much worst things in his dossier; Reverend Wright and Billy Ayers, to mention two.

633 vapig  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:17:04am

re: #587 HDrepub

I'm not a Christian bud. They don't allow me in a church house, for fear the roof will fall in.

We'd welcome you in our Church. Pastor brings the roof down every week - so no biggy!

634 HDrepub  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:17:21am

re: #602 doriangrey

Oh my.... You are gravitationally challenged?

No I'm sixty yrs old, 5'9" and weigh 173lbs.

635 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:17:28am

re: #619 ploome hineni


Actually, as a strategist, you can play that the liberal causes, the celebrity influence like Paris and Brittany, the decline of morality, the lack of respect for sex, the commercialization of "deviant" sexual behavior, blah blah blah. Palin could subtley introduce the morality card. I think she has more class than that, but by proxy?

Just my brain being twisted ;)

636 I Need A Bigger Gun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:17:36am

What ever happened to keeping the children of the candidates (and yes, she's still a child) out of the firing line? I guess that only pertains to the children of Democratic candidates.

637 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:18:05am

re: #624 Ringo the Gringo

Been listening to the Lefty KTLK 1150 in LA and this they can't get enough of this story. Most of the callers think that this is the daughter's second pregnancy and that Palin is actually the grandmother of the down syndrome child.

And, of course, every caller see this as proof that Sarah Palin is the world biggest hypocrite because she claims to have Christian values and yet he family is less than perfect.

A intense hatred for Sarah Palin is evident in the voices of each caller.

I smell blood in the water. And it is not Sarah Palin's.

638 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:18:18am

re: #599 FrogMarch

Besides this being a hack job, I can think of a young and inexperienced VP nominee named Teddy Roosevelt who would make a welcome comparison.

Anyway, none of these scholars bothered to check that Obama has never held a 9 to 5 job for longer than 2 years, had a terrible credit record prior to his ascension to the Senate, and that Palin's 1 year as a governor is 1 year of executive experience that Obama doesn't have (except for the foundation that he chaired for Bill Ayers, which managed to squander $150 million in a few short years to improve public schools in Chicago. The schools were worse afterward).

639 HBob  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:19:47am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

It's because we Christians realize that people are going to make mistakes. Remember, we're big on that whole "forgiveness" thing. The folks on this board trying to make this a big deal are behaving like a Hollywood caricature of a Christian and are really out of touch.

640 Clio  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:19:47am

It seems odd that the announcement of the pending nuptials did not come until she is five months pregnant. A shot-gun marriage usually comes quicker than that. Has some very recent event precipitated the overdue betrothal?

641 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:19:57am

re: #637 galloping granny

A certain number of people in this country are seriously off track. It is vert dismaying to me to see it.

BBL

642 Basho  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:19:59am

re: #595 baxtrice

Congrats to the family, but in all seriousness, please wake me when they decide to start pushing the Real issues and not this crap.

Real issues? You act like we're deciding who will be the leader of the free world or something.

643 CactusJack  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:20:02am

This story will fade in one or two days. I felt shock for about a minute and then was like...so?

644 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:20:14am

re: #635 Celtic Templar

Actually, as a strategist, you can play that the liberal causes, the celebrity influence like Paris and Brittany, the decline of morality, the lack of respect for sex, the commercialization of "deviant" sexual behavior, blah blah blah. Palin could subtley introduce the morality card. I think she has more class than that, but by proxy?

Just my brain being twisted ;)

What makes you assume that the morality guantlet hasn't already been flung? As I've said before - only an utter fool would play poker with John McCain. I don't doubt for a half second that he knew all along and accurately predicted just exactly how the nutroots would react to Sarah Palin.

645 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:20:28am

re: #550 medaura18586

Current USAmerican sexual culture is messed up, I agree.

However, my grandmother was married at age 15...it was quite common in that day, and it was very common in her imported Catholic Eastern European culture. As were births shortly after weddings. ;)

Historically, treating girls as children until they are 18 is very recent, and unlikely to actually be a firmly-entrenched part of any Western culture, hence the teen pregnancies, etc.

Please note I am not encouraging sexual activity for teens. It's a hard road to take, and loaded with risks for mother and baby.

I have four daughters; the oldest is married with a fine husband. She was five months pregnant when they were married, and I was not pleased at all. However, we raised her as best we could and she has to make her own decisions and choices. Our grandson is a Down's baby just like Trig and he is highly valued by the entire family. I could not imagine an abortion.

My eighteen year-old is sexually active (again, I strongly disapprove), and she like her sister has been given The Talk as well as access to birth control pills (which her sister did not use).

Honestly, some folks here need to spend eighteen years bringing up a child and then come back with their hard and fast positions and "slut" labels.

646 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:20:58am

re: #481 Lynn B.

From 2006. Not this year.

647 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:21:27am

re: #629 galloping granny

Two loving parents who decide to take life-long responsibility for the product of their sexual encounter is in no way "irresponsible sex" - with or without the benefit of marriage.

Yeah because marriage between 17 year olds are really stable and responsible. As if they would have gotten married had she not got pregnant!

In Nebraska where I was an exchange student, there were plenty of these sophomore/junior girls with babies and hubbies. Their "marriages" were jokes between irresponsible children.

There was also great pressure for them to get married due to the mother's political campaign. I find the labored marriage almost as irresponsible as the pregnancy. The best option for her would have been to give the child up for adoption. But because her mother's political fame, that option is sadly not practically available to her. Everyone would know who the biological mother was and the adoptive parents could not take over the baby in privacy.

648 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:21:42am
Many on the left will believe, quite mistakenly, that such an announcement is likely to weaken Palin’s support among “the hard-right conservative base”. But in fact, it will do no such thing — first, because the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue; and second, because those energized over the choice of Palin include many disaffected libertarians and classical liberals who were, until the announcement of the Governor’s candidacy, set to either sit the election out, or else cast a protest vote for Bob Barr.

That the Palin family — by dint of ugly rumor mongering from “progressive activists” and a compliant left-leaning press that was cynically situating itself to pretend that these rumors “needed investigating” — was all but compelled to release information about their teenage daughter, is precisely the kind of thing that drives real civil libertarians and privacy advocates crazy, especially because the information has nothing whatever to do with Governor Palin’s candidacy, but instead invades the privacy (and quite possibly effects the “choice”) of a minor.

This kind of savage smear campaign by leftists and so-called “feminists” — a campaign that forced a young woman to make public a very private matter in order to stop vicious rumors about the Palin family — suggests that, when it comes to “privacy concerns” (NSA data mining for terrorists = bad; demanding the release of a Governor’s medical records = good; parental notification for abortions performed on women under a certain age = bad; insisting that the world be privy to the private sexual and family concerns of the seventeen-year-old daughter of a conservative = good), “progressives” care about such things only insofar as it protects their political interests and advances their political agenda.

649 Tom Kratman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:22:04am

re: #495 Wishbone

You should be thankful that you haven't got the European general attitude toward unmarried pregnancies. Not so much consequenceless as a right of passage, or a means to an end in a lot of cases. Kids having kids; I'm old fashioned in that I had my first child at 34.

What a mess we're in.

Oh, we've got that, too. And yes, we're (Western Civilization's) in a mess.

650 Basho  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:22:10am

re: #623 twincitiesgirl

re: #516 jordank

If it makes you feel better believing that we are hypocrites, go right ahead. I think you will find that your condescending sneering demeanor will win you no friends.

Amen to that.

651 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:22:11am

"Alas, from a left/feminist perspective, looks like Bristol is gonna be “punished with a baby.” And a husband. And a tight-knit family that supports her. Poor dear."

--Jeff G.

652 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:22:16am

re: #644 galloping granny

I'm a spectator not a player ;) If this is the tactic, it is smart. The party of real change and reform versus the party of hopey changey stuff.

I ain't playing cards with Senator McCain and I'm glad he's on my side.

653 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:23:04am

re: #634 HDrepub

No I'm sixty yrs old, 5'9" and weigh 173lbs.

Then why would the roof fall in? Perfect people dont need church's, churches are for us SINNERS. Since God is in the business of saving humanity it's extremely unlikely any lightning bolts would hit the place, besides why would he risk injuring one of his just to get you when all he has to do is out wait you...

654 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:23:11am

re: #590 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That was over the line.

It was directed at me, and I found it funny as all get-out.

655 bcgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:23:12am

this is a good statement for me

re: #594 jas

Focus On The Family

Apparently, Dobson has issued some kind of statement. KJL at the Corner had this quote.

656 CactusJack  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:23:19am

Actually, I think this will help McCain because it humanizes Palin and her family. It might even soften her in the eyes of the left.

657 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:23:21am

re: #647 medaura18586

Yeah because marriage between 17 year olds are really stable and responsible. As if they would have gotten married had she not got pregnant!

In Nebraska where I was an exchange student, there were plenty of these sophomore/junior girls with babies and hubbies. Their "marriages" were jokes between irresponsible children.

There was also great pressure for them to get married due to the mother's political campaign. I find the labored marriage almost as irresponsible as the pregnancy. The best option for her would have been to give the child up for adoption. But because her mother's political fame, that option is sadly not practically available to her. Everyone would know who the biological mother was and the adoptive parents could not take over the baby in privacy.

658 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:23:23am
659 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:24:13am

re: #647 medaura18586

The best option for her would have been to give the child up for adoption

.

Wow.
So glad you know better what is best for this family.
How smug you are.
Disgusting

660 Theologian  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:24:22am

As a conservative Christian, I ask: "And this affects Sarah's ability to be VP how?"

Bristol made her own choices that are not Sarah's fault.

McCain/Palin '08

661 Tom Kratman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:24:28am

re: #647 medaura18586

Yeah because marriage between 17 year olds are really stable and responsible. As if they would have gotten married had she not got pregnant!

In Nebraska where I was an exchange student, there were plenty of these sophomore/junior girls with babies and hubbies. Their "marriages" were jokes between irresponsible children.

There was also great pressure for them to get married due to the mother's political campaign. I find the labored marriage almost as irresponsible as the pregnancy. The best option for her would have been to give the child up for adoption. But because her mother's political fame, that option is sadly not practically available to her. Everyone would know who the biological mother was and the adoptive parents could not take over the baby in privacy.

You think it's never happened? My wife was 17, not pregnant, and we've been married for 30 years.

662 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:24:40am

I suspect Ms Palinfirst learned of Bristols pregnancy when McCain came calling. Hence the timing. Kids tend to delay such announcements. Particularly knowing that first pregnancies have a higher chance of miscarriage.

663 Optimizer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:24:42am

re: #174 Rancher

His Daddy was really committed though, marrying the mom while already married.

Technically, doesn't that make Barack illegitimate? (aka, a "bastard"?)

664 capitalist piglet  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:24:42am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

I'm concerned about Bristol, but not because of her pregnancy (seriously, how common is this? My own mother had a baby at 16, and got married at that age...she did okay in life; who doesn't have an anecdote about a pregnancy before marriage somewhere in their circle of friends and family?) - because of liberals, and the media, and the spit-storm that has been raining down on her and her family since her mother was selected to run with McCain. It's despicable.

If the Left doesn't lay off of her - and does anybody think they will? - they are making a BIG mistake.

665 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:25:07am

re: #604 jordank

troll

666 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:25:08am

re: #645 OldLineTexan

Amen from a father of two daughters. Lots of judgments being passed by those who only think they are in the know.

667 baxtrice  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:25:32am

re: #606 angst

I'm sorely tempted to shut down the computer and TV and turn it on again when both hurricanes are over.

I've had that feeling since the primaries. X ~ }

(man this thread is moving, I can't keep up!)

668 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:26:06am

re: #651 FrogMarch

"Alas, from a left/feminist perspective, looks like Bristol is gonna be “punished with a baby.” And a husband. And a tight-knit family that supports her. Poor dear."

--Jeff G.

I wish I could be punished like that.....

669 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:26:07am
670 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:26:17am

re: #646 Dianna

From 2006. Not this year.

Some "uncertainty" about that, apparently. The camera was manufactured in 2006. If the camera was never set up properly, or the battery had been removed for 'an extended period of time', the date would have shown up as the default (manufactured) date.

Having said that, I think the photo was captioned by somebody in the Alaska government.
Having said that, somebody pointed out that the captioner made a simple error.
I got snippets of the above from some link posted near the top of this mess.

I do know that the manufacture date issue is correct.
If you can get the "unaltered original" (good luck on that), you can use several programs that will show what the EXIF information contains.

671 talon_262  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:26:20am

re: #647 medaura18586

There was also great pressure for them to get married due to the mother's political campaign. I find the labored marriage almost as irresponsible as the pregnancy. The best option for her would have been to give the child up for adoption. But because her mother's political fame, that option is sadly not practically available to her. Everyone would know who the biological mother was and the adoptive parents could not take over the baby in privacy.

Who died and made you G-d?

672 Lynn B.  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:26:23am

re: #558 medaura18586

Well she is 5 months pregnant... hmmm... yeah I guess you're right. That wasn't even a baby bump. Still a weird coincidence that they went after the daughter and she turned out to be pregnant.

I have a feeling this is going to turn out not to be a coincidence. Someone wanted this story to get out and forced the issue.

The Palins released the statement to quash rumours circulating on liberal blogs and websites that Sarah Palin had faked a pregnancy and pretended to have given birth in May to her fifth child, a son named Trig who has Down's syndrome.

The rumour was that Trig was Bristol Palin's child and that Mrs Palin was the grandmother.

673 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:26:40am
674 Maximu§  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:26:44am

re: #621 medaura18586

Isn't there a double standard in that?

Would you be in favor of abortion remaining legalized? Who are social conservatives then, to judge women who want to have abortions? Let Jesus judge them perfectly in the afterlife instead of trying to legislate your morality on Earth.

...not many would agree though, would you?

As usual, you made a Fool outta yourself medaura?

Only a few people in here would try and drag a thread into an anti-abortion flame war and your one of them.

675 Tom Kratman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:26:45am

re: #663 Optimizer

Technically, doesn't that make Barack illegitimate? (aka, a "bastard"?)

No, actually.

676 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:26:49am

re: #640 Clio

It seems odd that the announcement of the pending nuptials did not come until she is five months pregnant. A shot-gun marriage usually comes quicker than that. Has some very recent event precipitated the overdue betrothal?

She may simply not have realised she was pregnant until she was rhree months along - this is her first pregnancy, don't forget, and she's a teenager still.
I'm sure the family did know pretty soon after that - in fact, if, as it says somewhere above, McCain knew about this before he made his annoucement, it must already have been 'sorted' for the family.
Obviously, announcing it at the time McCain introduced Sarah Palin as his Veep would have been utter stupidity, and I think they would have liked to have had a few more weeks to keep it private. Only, in view of the horrendous slurs and abuse heaped on both Sarah and Bristol Palin, coming out with it now was the best way.

677 baxtrice  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:27:11am

re: #642 Basho

Real issues? You act like we're deciding who will be the leader of the free world or something.

We're not? Oh wait, is this American Idol : President edition, isn't it?

:)

678 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:27:11am

re: #665 twincitiesgirl

Hey! Fox is reporting a miniriot in your area.

679 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:27:15am

re: #636 I Need A Bigger Gun

What ever happened to keeping the children of the candidates (and yes, she's still a child) out of the firing line? I guess that only pertains to the children of Democratic candidates.

Being a Self Appointed Superior Being means never having to follow the rules of ordinary decent civilized life.

680 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:27:31am

re: #515 So?

Let's be honest here, if it weren't for the pregnancy would they be getting married? Especially at 17?

No clue, and none of my business.

681 Outrider  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:27:32am

re: #489 galloping granny

Note to theheat: The most accurate birth control in existence has a 99% effectiveness rate. In layman's terms, that means that if you use birthcontrol with absolute precision, one out of every 100 women will get pregnant anyway.

The only 100% birth control is abstinence. My wife (to be) was on birth control when our first daughter was conceived. We were probably that 1%. But, we have been married for 33 years now and that daughter has two daughters of her own.

This is such a non-issue. The liberals will rant-this is what they do. Doing so will put them in a hypocritical position that is really indefensible.

682 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:27:59am

re: #647 medaura18586

Yeah because marriage between 17 year olds are really stable and responsible. As if they would have gotten married had she not got pregnant!

In Nebraska where I was an exchange student, there were plenty of these sophomore/junior girls with babies and hubbies. Their "marriages" were jokes between irresponsible children.

There was also great pressure for them to get married due to the mother's political campaign. I find the labored marriage almost as irresponsible as the pregnancy. The best option for her would have been to give the child up for adoption. But because her mother's political fame, that option is sadly not practically available to her. Everyone would know who the biological mother was and the adoptive parents could not take over the baby in privacy.

You know, the highlighted part there makes me a little suspicious, because I'm thinking you weren't an exchange student from say, Kansas.

So what the heck do you really know about these marriages? Do you even know if they were pregnant before or after they were married? And if before, were they shotgun marriages or just early ones?

See, if they were poor women from the barrio or ghetto, we'd all be asked to understand it from their cultural/social viewpoint. But, if they're white and conservative then they're just dumb hicks. And the exact same language will be used against Bristol Palin, mark my words.

683 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:28:17am

re: #660 Theologian

As a conservative Christian, I ask: "And this affects Sarah's ability to be VP how?"

Bristol made her own choices that are not Sarah's fault.

McCain/Palin '08

Quite making sense will you! ;-)

Bristol gets pregnant, it invalidates the entire conservative movement! Now that makes much more sense!
/

684 Lynn B.  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:28:35am

re: #646 Dianna

From 2006. Not this year.

Oh. Thanks, Dianna. Still, same result.

685 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:28:56am

re: #669 ploome hineni

she is a fucking parasite

left her shithole country to better herself

and all she does is criticize

/repulsive psycho

Ah. Thank you. I suspected as much.

686 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:29:19am

Sometimes I really like Ann Althouse - smart cookie


Oh, that looks like a meme. Sarah Palin must stay home with her special needs baby. Sarah Palin must stay home with her about-to-be-married, pregnant daughter. Ladies: Put your career on hold until everything in you're family stops happening. I know, MM is a man and he's saying he'd stay home too, but would he? Would a man forgo his career to be there for a family member who is experiencing an important life transition?

Remember when John Edwards decided to go on with his campaign after his wife got a diagnosis of inoperable cancer? Now, I think Elizabeth Edwards was probably excited about the campaign and wanted to go on with it. In that light, why are you assuming that Bristol Palin isn't excited about her mother's campaign? Unlike Elizabeth Edwards, Bristol is not facing her last days. She's just starting out -- all caught up in life. Presumably, she's intense and positive about her pro-life beliefs, her love for the baby's father, her impending wedding, and the new baby on the way.

I imagine her eager to run around with the campaign, spreading the pro-life message to young people. Why should you think she would prefer to mope around the house, feeling ashamed, absorbing maternal comforting? On the campaign trail, she will be a loved and praised pro-life heroine, and she -- and her mother -- are likely to convert others to the pro-life side, with their glamorous and very positive image. Pro-choicers beware.

687 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:29:19am

re: #647 medaura18586

I find the labored marriage almost as irresponsible as the pregnancy. The best option for her would have been to give the child up for adoption.

Well now, you certainly seem to know all about the Palin family. Perhaps you should have interceded. You know, provide some incite and guidance to these poor kids. After all, you know best, no?

688 HDrepub  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:29:32am

re: #648 FrogMarch

The caricature of the religious right, etc. is exactly that from my observations. I've lived six decades, and did learn a little on the way here. I used to be a member of a strict Protestant church, and I can assure you many of them vote Democratic for economic reasons instead of morality. Abortion, homosexuality, and premarital sex are all sins but still they vote money over morality. It's the Democrat way of putting everyone in some kind of group, thus they think all religious people vote Republican. The same goes for the so called "rednecks". Most of the real rednecks I have known are Democrat voters, every time an election rolls around.

689 jas  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:29:41am

re: #625 FrogMarch

Forgiveness is only reserved for criminals on the left. When normal human beings who don't ascribe to their leftist polices commit sins, they are considered hypocrites.

BTW, as an aside note, nice job by Fowler and his apology...doesn't take actual responsibility for the quote, and then blames some right-wing nutjob.

690 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:29:46am

re: #624 Ringo the Gringo

A intense hatred for Sarah Palin is evident in the voices of each caller.


Barbarians always hate those who refuse to submit to their will.

I can go on and on about this.

691 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:30:06am

A rare pic of medaura, from her innocent childhood days. . . [Link: home.att.net...]

692 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:30:21am

re: #647 medaura18586

Yeah because marriage between 17 year olds are really stable and responsible. As if they would have gotten married had she not got pregnant!

Believe it or not, in rural America young people do really get married right straight out of high school. Not uncommon in the least.

In Nebraska where I was an exchange student, there were plenty of these sophomore/junior girls with babies and hubbies. Their "marriages" were jokes between irresponsible children.

That is really pretty judgmental of you. Would you consider any of the multitude of marriages that take place in the much more conservative muslim world between men and "women" as young as 8 years old less of a "joke" and somehow more "responsible?"

There was also great pressure for them to get married due to the mother's political campaign. I find the labored marriage almost as irresponsible as the pregnancy. The best option for her would have been to give the child up for adoption. But because her mother's political fame, that option is sadly not practically available to her. Everyone would know who the biological mother was and the adoptive parents could not take over the baby in privacy.

Perhaps you should refrain from commenting on Americans and American society until you understand us a little better. While it may be common in parts of the world for parents to control their children's marital and sexual lives, this would be so far out of the norm as to be ludicrous anywhere in America. The young lady made her own decision.

As to your suggestion that the child should be put up for adoption, that is presumptuous beyond all belief. Perhaps you would be happier in returning to whatever society produced your medieva viewpoint.

693 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:30:30am

re: #645 OldLineTexan

And let us please not forget the constant din of sexual licentiousness which one can find in all the media, and especially in magazines aimed at teenage girls.
It was much easier to be sexualy abstinent, if you wish, as teenager when nobody really had a clue (except talk) and there wer no images of people 'doing it' everywhere the eye can see. And no, I don't mean pr0n ...

694 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:31:00am

re: #681 Outrider

The only 100% birth control is abstinence. My wife (to be) was on birth control when our first daughter was conceived. We were probably that 1%. But, we have been married for 33 years now and that daughter has two daughters of her own.

This is such a non-issue. The liberals will rant-this is what they do. Doing so will put them in a hypocritical position that is really indefensible.

We tried a simultaneous combination of "cream" and a condom.
Result of that is now a Staff Sergeant in the U.S.M.C.
Which only makes sense ....

695 kuffar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:31:15am

re: #592 TalkinKamel

If there is a scandal, it is wholly a manufactured scandal. To them, pregnancy and family is a burden. They think Sarah Palin should goose-stepped her daughter to a clinic and had a life butchered, Obama volunteers to do the procedure.

This family represents what they resent. And what America really trully needs at this point. A re-evaluation of political platforms, long held manufactured notions about America.

696 Maximu§  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:31:18am

re: #647 medaura18586

Yeah because marriage between 17 year olds are really stable and responsible. As if they would have gotten married had she not got pregnant!

In Nebraska where I was an exchange student, there were plenty of these sophomore/junior girls with babies and hubbies. Their "marriages" were jokes between irresponsible children.

There was also great pressure for them to get married due to the mother's political campaign. I find the labored marriage almost as irresponsible as the pregnancy. The best option for her would have been to give the child up for adoption. But because her mother's political fame, that option is sadly not practically available to her. Everyone would know who the biological mother was and the adoptive parents could not take over the baby in privacy.

You were an exchange student?

Looks like we got the short end of that exchange.

697 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:31:18am

This will be old news by wednesday.

698 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:31:22am

I'm assuming because of her parents that Bristol also considers herself Catholic. If so this matter is first between her and God, then the young man, then her and his parents, and then of her priest and bishop. What was decided and who decided it and when is their concern.

As for the person who said he "fornicates" with his wife—unless you follow some form of Augustinian theology, that statement doesn't make any sense. It is not the position of the Church Fathers before Augustine.

Fornication is a serious sin. So is theft and fraud and assault and many others. People, including Christians, sin. After the sin—no one's figured out how to reverse time and undo sin—the question is how the sinner handles the fallout. Taking responsibility is a very good response.

699 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:31:34am

re: #674 Maximu§

Yeah, "medaura", whoever, whatever, he/she/it is, wants a flame war. Ignore it.

700 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:31:55am

If adoption were the consideration the only likely parents would be Mr and Mrs Palin. This is not the 1940s.

701 Outrider  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:32:27am

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

It is done. It is, by now, a fact. It has to be dealt with and they are doing that. What would be the point of getting outraged? Forgive what needs to be forgiven and move on.

Or would you prefer the daughter to be stoned for the heinous act of getting pregnant? Let he who is without sin...etc...

702 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:32:58am

Look.

Bidens wife and daughter were killed in a car wreck.
He still took office while his two sons were still in the hospital.

So if there is a problem in the family, only the WOMAN should put her career on hold?

No.

703 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:33:01am
704 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:33:15am

re: #658 ploome hineni

girl married at 15, but they also did not have a very long lifespan

Things changed, I admit.

My great-grandmother, from the old country, died at 94 from second-degree burns over most of her body. Having given birth to fourteen children that lived to adulthood, she suffered from dementia and started a wood fire in a gas stove.

My grandmother lived to be 94 as well, but only three children. However, she too suffered from dementia near the end.

I am hoping to have gotten some, but not all, of those genes, LOL.

705 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:33:32am

re: #696 Maximu§

You were an exchange student?

Looks like we got the short end of that exchange.

medaura sounds like an excellent justification for ending the exchange program...

706 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:33:38am

re: #654 OldLineTexan

It was directed at me, and I found it funny as all get-out.

Your response got my respect! (and cackles of glee!)
Still, I'd down-ding the shallow young person again.
That is not proper behavior in a lizard room.

707 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:33:46am

Only 2 generations ago the vast majority of people were married right after high school.

708 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:33:50am

re: #663 Optimizer

Technically, doesn't that make Barack illegitimate? (aka, a "bastard"?)

Yes, it certainly does. And daddy a bigamist under the laws of every state in the nation.

709 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:33:52am

re: #698 David IV of Georgia

I'm assuming because of her parents that Bristol also considers herself Catholic. If so this matter is first between her and God, then the young man, then her and his parents, and then of her priest and bishop. What was decided and who decided it and when is their concern.

As for the person who said he "fornicates" with his wife—unless you follow some form of Augustinian theology, that statement doesn't make any sense. It is not the position of the Church Fathers before Augustine.

Fornication is a serious sin. So is theft and fraud and assault and many others. People, including Christians, sin. After the sin—no one's figured out how to reverse time and undo sin—the question is how the sinner handles the fallout. Taking responsibility is a very good response.

Sarah Palin considers herself a "Bible Believing Christian".
That was in response to a question in an interview.

She apparently attends non-denominational churches both in Juneau and her home town. Different non-denominational churches.

710 conservativeChick  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:34:03am

As a Christian, I think is was a bit irresponsible for her to get pregnant, but as a Christian again, I congratulate her for taking responsibility for her decision and marry the father of the child and have the child as well to have the father in her child's life, unlike most liberal adults that have abortions hoping not take responsibility for their actions. The child will be born to a loving family with a mom and dad and a loving grandpa and (sexy) grandma. Congrats for her for making a responsible decision.

711 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:34:24am
712 jaunte  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:34:25am

A a reader of Mark Steyn, I'm wholly in favor of Americans creating more Americans.

713 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:34:36am

re: #631 doriangrey

Oh dang.... Seems like being from the same conservative Christian background as Dobson does mean I know exactly what to expect from him and my fellow Christians after all.... Who would have thunk that they would react almost exactly the way I did... Simply boggles the mind...

Oh, the beauty of Christianity. It's all in the book. Thank God. Not having to calculate our position for public reaction per BHO @ Saddleback Debate.

714 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:34:57am

re: #627 jamie

whatever. I cleaned up the post further down. Sometimes I froth at the mouth. Sometimes girls get pregnant. Deal with it.

715 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:35:19am

And here's another rare photo of medaura, in her homeland. (She's the one with the green hair). Now we know where she hails from. . . [Link: bluebuddies.com...]

716 MARedneck  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:35:30am

#591 FrogMarch

Thank you for your listing. Andrew Sullivan does not have trouble with his math, I think. The problem is a misunderstanding about biology that originates in his preferences. For Bristol to have conceived immediately after expelling is no contradiction to him. I would prefer not to go into detail. Best wishes.

717 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:35:56am

re: #693 yma o hyd

And let us please not forget the constant din of sexual licentiousness which one can find in all the media, and especially in magazines aimed at teenage girls.
It was much easier to be sexualy abstinent, if you wish, as teenager when nobody really had a clue (except talk) and there wer no images of people 'doing it' everywhere the eye can see. And no, I don't mean pr0n ...

I quite agree, and mentioned it earlier. We (the culture) make our children's lives more difficult, and have created our own problems (although there is a bit of biology in there, too).

718 bcgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:36:45am

could it be that the girl just recently(now that she might not be able to hide it ) told her mom and dad about this and that she and the father had decieded to keep the child and get married,, "cue the and there is nothin youcan do about it cuz we love each other"

re: #640 Clio

It seems odd that the announcement of the pending nuptials did not come until she is five months pregnant. A shot-gun marriage usually comes quicker than that. Has some very recent event precipitated the overdue betrothal?

719 wiffersnapper  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:36:50am

re: #4 wiffersnapper

Sweet my first top 10 comment! Thanks Lizards.

Ignore the bottom 10 comment I posted just a bit later :/

720 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:36:58am

State-Level Statistics
• In 2000, teenage birthrates were highest in Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Arkansas and New Mexico. The states with the lowest teenage Birthrates were New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, North Dakota and Maine.

• Teenage abortion rates were highest in the District of Columbia, New Jersey, New York, Maryland, Nevada and California.

• Fifty percent or more of teenage pregnancies end in abortion in New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and the District of Columbia.

• By contrast, teenagers in Utah, Kentucky, South Dakota and North Dakota had the lowest abortion rates. These states also had fewer than 17% of teenage pregnancies end in abortion: South Dakota, Utah and Kentucky.

• Nevada had the highest teenage pregnancy rate (113 per 1,000), while North Dakota had the lowest rate (42 per 1,000).

• Among states with available data, Arkansas had the highest pregnancy rate among non-Hispanic white teenagers (77 per 1,000). Pregnancy rates among this group were also high in other Southern states: Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Kentucky and South Carolina (71–73 per 1,000). Meanwhile, North Dakota had the lowest rate among non-
Hispanic white teenagers (33 per 1,000).

• Among black teenagers aged 15–19, pregnancy rates were highest in New Jersey (209 per 1,000) and in Wisconsin, Delaware, Pennsylvania and Oregon (161–177 per 1,000). They
were lowest in Utah, New Mexico, West Virginia, Rhode Island and Colorado (71–114 per 1,000).

• Georgia, Arizona, Tennessee, Colorado and Delaware had the highest pregnancy rates among Hispanic women aged 15–19 (154–169 per 1,000). In contrast, pregnancy rates among Hispanic teenagers were lowest in Mississippi, Missouri, South Dakota and Ohio (71–115 per 1,000).
....

721 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:37:20am

re: #692 galloping granny

Believe it or not, in rural America young people do really get married right straight out of high school. Not uncommon in the least.

Or in their senior year. For a while I was dating a gal from one of those areas. She was very dissatisfied with our relationship because all of her high school friends were married and had children. She was 19.

722 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:37:33am

re: #713 dwigg

Oh, the beauty of Christianity. It's all in the book. Thank God. Not having to calculate our position for public reaction per BHO @ Saddleback Debate.

Funny how the haters of Christianity have that exact same book to read from but can't seem to ever correctly anticipate how Christians will react to, well, pretty much anything.

723 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:37:40am

re: #645 OldLineTexan

I hear you.

To some extent your children's life trends reflect your parenting, but ultimately they make their own decisions which are theirs to take responsibility for.

Very early marriages were indeed the norm back in the day, but life expectancy was shorter, and women didn't have much beside motherhood to look for in life.

I think that given the overall amazing opportunities for personal and professional achievement that women have at their disposal today, most girls who gamble it all in early sexual encounters/promiscuity suffer from low self-esteem issues.

Perhaps they only feel valued when "loved" by their partner, and don't much care who he is.

I have a weird life story, as I am the youngest in my family since my great grandmother to get married, at age 21. To the average person that might sound irresponsible too. But I hadn't even been kissed until the age of 19, and not because I was a social hermit or unattractive. I simply had too much respect for myself and my future to even be attracted to most boys who came and went. I had high standards, and when I met my future husband, I immediately knew he was the one.

Now I am not self-righteously pretending to set the standard or anything like that. Not every girl can or should be a 'nun' like me. But if teenage girls were taught to have more respect for themselves, to expect nothing short of extraordinary from their first love or first partner, if they valued themselves enough to not sleep with the first idiot who paid any remote attention to them, they'd be better off.

Teen pregnancies affect socially conservative families the most because they are supposed to put paramount value to such family issues... which is why I think this doesn't make Sarah Palin look good. But it's not the end of the world either.

724 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:37:41am
725 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:37:45am

re: #712 jaunte

A a reader of Mark Steyn, I'm wholly in favor of Americans creating more Americans.

heh .. this makes you a lowercase-c "creationist"

726 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:37:46am

re: #716 MARedneck

#591 FrogMarch

Thank you for your listing. Andrew Sullivan does not have trouble with his math, I think. The problem is a misunderstanding about biology that originates in his preferences. For Bristol to have conceived immediately after expelling is no contradiction to him. I would prefer not to go into detail. Best wishes.

I'm not sure the female body is ready to generate eggs so soon after giving birth. Andrew Sullivan is a gay man who knows nothing about females. Other than he clearly hates them.

727 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:38:02am

Whoops! Band link! Havin' trouble with mah Kamel Kamera there! Hope this works! [Link: alesrarus.funkydung.com...]

728 Anna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:38:36am

Fox News is reporting that Sen. Obama is putting Brisol Palin's pregnancy off limits. And if any of his staff try to use the story, they will be fired.

Thank you Sen. Obama.

729 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:38:36am

re: #707 pat

Only 2 generations ago the vast majority of people were married right after high school.

My mother was nineteen when married and twenty-one when I was born, with a stillbirth in-between.

My parents are a statistical oddity, and will have been married fifty years by this time next year.

730 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:38:41am

Fox: story broken because of internet rumors. Obama says off limits and did not start rumors. Announcer does not seem to understand that the 'rumors' concerned Sarah giving birth to Trig.

731 Racer X  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:39:45am

re: #647 medaura18586

The best option for her would have been to give the child up for adoption.


Congratulations.

This comment is now in the finals for the stupidest comment of the thread. Will notify you if you win.

732 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:39:47am

re: #728 Anna

Fox News is reporting that Sen. Obama is putting Brisol Palin's pregnancy off limits. And if any of his staff try to use the story, they will be fired.

Thank you Sen. Obama.

darn. First one he's caught on to yet.
hope it wasn't my earlier post.

733 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:40:10am

re: #689 jas

Forgiveness is only reserved for criminals on the left. When normal human beings who don't ascribe to their leftist polices commit sins, they are considered hypocrites.

BTW, as an aside note, nice job by Fowler and his apology...doesn't take actual responsibility for the quote, and then blames some right-wing nutjob.

Standard left-wit operating procedure. Notice also that the DNC media ignored the whole thing.

734 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:41:04am

re: #723 medaura18586

I hear you.

.

No I don't think you do at all....

735 alderson  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:41:09am

re: #631 doriangrey

Oh dang.... Seems like being from the same conservative christian background as Dobson does mean I know exactly what to expect from him and my fellow Christians after all.... Who would have thunk that they would react almost exactly the way I did... Simply boggles the mind...

Now I hope the slanderous evangelical caricature in the mind of sane observers will adjust just a little.

736 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:41:14am

re: #661 Tom Kratman

You think it's never happened? My wife was 17, not pregnant, and we've been married for 30 years.

The key is that she wasn't pregnant. You got married out of your own free will, and made a commitment unbiased by a baby's upcoming.

The 17 year olds I am talking about are trapped into marriage because of the baby. They would have not gotten married had the girl not gotten pregnant.

Wanna bet that Bristol wouldn't have married her baby's father at this age had she not got pregnant?

I am not prejudicing against early marriages. I myself got married at 21, which was just a few months ago, and today 21 is like 15 was in your day.

737 MAredneck  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:41:52am

#726 FrogMarch

You got my drift.

738 conservativeChick  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:42:05am

Its funny how the MSM works.

Given the chance to publicly embarrass and humiliate a Republican candidate's 17 year old daughter, cover the story until the election.

If it's to cover a scandal that has a love child thats the child of a former Democratic candidate for president, keep your mouth shut and leave that to the National Enquirer. Since nobody believes a gossip magazine like the Enquirer anyway.

739 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:42:13am

re: #735 alderson

Now I hope the slanderous evangelical caricature in the mind of sane observers will adjust just a little.

ROTFLMAO...............Never ever going to happen.....

740 rp1138  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:42:24am

Fox News is reporting that Obama has officially commented on this story, saying that it's a family matter, that he considers it to be off limits, and that if he finds anyone in his campaign involved with this story that they will be fired.

I'm glad to see he's being classy about it. If only his more extreme followers could follow suit.

741 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:42:30am

And here's medaura and some friends during her "nun" period: [Link: www.funnyhub.com...]

742 wolfie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:42:34am

re: #591 FrogMarch

Nice job, Frog!

743 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:42:45am

FrogMarch

Maybe she wanted a baby?

I could see that it might be more than a bit intimidating to be the daughter of "Sarah Barracuda" and the world's best snowmachine driver, and look for a much more conventional and quieter apolitical life.
However, this will be broadcast as hypocrisy, poor parenting and lack of control by both the left and right radical fringe.


jas - a great statement.

744 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:44:04am

re: #707 pat

Only 2 generations ago the vast majority of people were married right after high school.

MY generation married mostly straight out of high school. In the South even younger than that. My ex was a good Catholic boy. He graduated from a Catholic high school in the 60s. On graduation day all but two of the female members of his class were pregnant.

When the military sent us to Germany, I was the "old" wife by a very long shot - at 19. Most of the young wives I had the responsibility to drag to the coast if the Russians came rolling through the Fulda Gap were 15 or 16 years old.

745 Shay4l  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:44:06am

re: #278 jill e

"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," [Obama] said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

How much easier to simply abort the baby! Palin and her family have chosen the much more difficult route by following what they believe to be right. That's the sort of person I want a "heart beat away from the presidency."

Now, McCain knew about this baby beforehand. I wonder if contrasting Bristol having the baby and getting married to Zerobama's "punished with a baby" quote is all a part of the Palin Trap McCain set up for the lefties to fall into.

746 Outrider  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:44:55am

re: #723 medaura18586

I hear you.

To some extent your children's life trends reflect your parenting, but ultimately they make their own decisions which are theirs to take responsibility for.

Very early marriages were indeed the norm back in the day, but life expectancy was shorter, and women didn't have much beside motherhood to look for in life.

I think that given the overall amazing opportunities for personal and professional achievement that women have at their disposal today, most girls who gamble it all in early sexual encounters/promiscuity suffer from low self-esteem issues.

Perhaps they only feel valued when "loved" by their partner, and don't much care who he is.

I have a weird life story, as I am the youngest in my family since my great grandmother to get married, at age 21. To the average person that might sound irresponsible too. But I hadn't even been kissed until the age of 19, and not because I was a social hermit or unattractive. I simply had too much respect for myself and my future to even be attracted to most boys who came and went. I had high standards, and when I met my future husband, I immediately knew he was the one.

Now I am not self-righteously pretending to set the standard or anything like that. Not every girl can or should be a 'nun' like me. But if teenage girls were taught to have more respect for themselves, to expect nothing short of extraordinary from their first love or first partner, if they valued themselves enough to not sleep with the first idiot who paid any remote attention to them, they'd be better off.

Teen pregnancies affect socially conservative families the most because they are supposed to put paramount value to such family issues... which is why I think this doesn't make Sarah Palin look good. But it's not the end of the world either.

Good on you for your chaste life. You do a great job of second guessing how their social life should have gone. But it didn't.

The proper role now is to move on and deal with it. In this case, and in most families, that means forgiveness, love, and acceptance. Sorry if you can not do this.

But, as I said earlier; we always have the option of doing what the Moslems do and just stone her, whip the husband and use them as an object lesson.

747 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:46:26am

re: #723 medaura18586

Teen pregnancies affect socially conservative families the most because they are supposed to put paramount value to such family issues... which is why I think this doesn't make Sarah Palin look good. But it's not the end of the world either.

Despite what every conservative Christian is telling you, you still fail to see the light.
Evangelicals are not country club Christians concerned about appearances. Whether the child is kept by Bristol or adopted by her parents, it is considered a treasure. A joy. Bristol is not an outcast to her family or church. The anger and stupidity lectures have passed. They will now concentrate on teaching her to be a good mother and meet the boys family to discuss such issues.

748 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:46:53am

So how long until what's-his-face on youtube puts out a video called "LEAVE BRISTOL ALONE!"

749 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:46:54am

re: #647 medaura18586

It must be pure torture to be so clairvoyant!

750 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:47:31am

re: #742 wolfie

Nice job, Frog!

I forgot to give credit to Protein Wisdom.

That's all PW!

751 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:48:08am

re: #735 alderson

Now I hope the slanderous evangelical caricature in the mind of sane observers will adjust just a little.

Why? I just love saying....BOOO!

752 wolfie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:48:17am

re: #625 FrogMarch

What a dastardly thing to say. Burn him at the stake. Proggie style.
Now - fellow LGers - we must track down Bristol and kill her so that the proggies will be happy.
I mean - the proggies don't even flinch when Islamic males kill their daughters for lesser offenses.

This is too true...... and an extraordinary thing.
What the hell is wrong w/ these people?

753 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:48:40am

re: #723 medaura18586

Nonetheless, you are pretty self-righteous.

754 Outrider  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:49:03am

re: #736 medaura18586

The key is that she wasn't pregnant. You got married out of your own free will, and made a commitment unbiased by a baby's upcoming.

The 17 year olds I am talking about are trapped into marriage because of the baby. They would have not gotten married had the girl not gotten pregnant.

Wanna bet that Bristol wouldn't have married her baby's father at this age had she not got pregnant?

I am not prejudicing against early marriages. I myself got married at 21, which was just a few months ago, and today 21 is like 15 was in your day.

Why wouldn't they have gotten married anyway? My wife and I got married under the same circumstances 33 years ago. We just had our first child a little earlier than planned is all.

Are you that unhappy in your marriage?

755 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:49:55am

I think it's time for some Madonna

756 wolfie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:50:03am

re: #698 David IV of Georgia

It is NOT the position of Augustine or the Church after Augustine either.

757 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:50:12am

re: #629 galloping granny

Not what I was replying to, or saying.

758 conservativeChick  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:50:32am

Comparison between Palin and Obama:

Sarah Palin: "Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support."

Barack Obama: "Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," he said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."

759 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:51:30am

re: #743 LC LaWedgie

FrogMarch

I could see that it might be more than a bit intimidating to be the daughter of "Sarah Barracuda" and the world's best snowmachine driver, and look for a much more conventional and quieter apolitical life.
However, this will be broadcast as hypocrisy, poor parenting and lack of control by both the left and right radical fringe.


jas - a great statement.

No matter how much they broadcast and spin it that way, most young women either find themselves pregnant or have a "scare" at least once during their teen years and most parents either face this same challenge or have friends and family that do. Nobody is going to chalk this up to poor parenting. This is a real "there but for the grace of God" issue for far too many people.

760 spidly  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:51:45am

Can't decide if this merits a "DOH!"

leaning towards this being a positive if dealt with candidly, esp if the the donks overstep as they are apt

761 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:52:01am

My parents were married when they turned 19. They have six college & post-graduate degrees between them. They just celebrated their 49th wedding anniversary. My mother's younger sister and her husband were married at the same ceremony. She was an English teacher 'til she retired and he taught at a university back when professors weren't activists. They are still married. They have a son who was a US Army Major and now is a consultant. Their daughter married a fireman.

All marriages are difficult and have problems. If both parties have the character and commitment, age is not much of an issue.

762 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:52:52am

re: #640 Clio

Graduation?

763 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:53:44am

re: #747 pat

Despite what every conservative Christian is telling you, you still fail to see the light.
Evangelicals are not country club Christians concerned about appearances. Whether the child is kept by Bristol or adopted by her parents, it is considered a treasure. A joy. Bristol is not an outcast to her family or church. The anger and stupidity lectures have passed. They will now concentrate on teaching her to be a good mother and meet the boys family to discuss such issues.

Yes. And we must remember that by some lights Christ himself was one of those babies that arrived on time while the rest take nine months.

764 Perry  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:54:00am

I hope the Palins are able to filter what their children are seeing these hectic days. All the crap being written about them... I'm sure the parents will be strong but hits like this to a child can last a long time if the littlest girl, for instance, were to get wind of something noxious.
/worry wort

765 Macker  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:54:57am

re: #758 conservativeChick

Comparison between Palin and Obama:

Sarah Palin: "Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support."

Barack Obama: "Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," he said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."

Notice, no 'buts' in Palin's statement. And of course, whenever you see a 'but' that means "Ignore everything which came before that word."

766 Osama Bin Asshat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:55:18am

...punished with a baby? oh what a screwed up world this is.

767 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:55:39am

Age 17 seems so young for a girl to get married. How long has she known the father? Have they had an exclusive relationship, and if so for how long? Is this the girl's choice or is it being imposed on her by her parents? Why is marrying the father necessarily the right thing? Who is the father and how old is he? Can the father support the girl and the baby?

Soap opera politics. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHH!

768 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:55:49am

re: #760 spidly

Can't decide if this merits a "DOH!"

leaning towards this being a positive if dealt with candidly, esp if the the donks overstep as they are apt

It is certainly the way to bet.

769 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:56:06am

re: #682 angst

You know, the highlighted part there makes me a little suspicious, because I'm thinking you weren't an exchange student from say, Kansas.

So what the heck do you really know about these marriages? Do you even know if they were pregnant before or after they were married? And if before, were they shotgun marriages or just early ones?

See, if they were poor women from the barrio or ghetto, we'd all be asked to understand it from their cultural/social viewpoint. But, if they're white and conservative then they're just dumb hicks. And the exact same language will be used against Bristol Palin, mark my words.

Huh! I did know them, the marriages happened after the pregnancies. The "husbands" were often abusive (3 out of 5 that I knew of) and each spouse would often run away for months, leaving their parents to take care of their children.

Why the hypersensitivity? Who said that non-white ghetto teen pregnancies ought to be given a free pass? Teen pregnancies are a main factor in keeping those 'ghetto' communities plagued, as entire generations of children grow up to single teenage mothers unable to take care of and properly raise their babies. If the father stayed around, that would certainly help ceteris paribus. Even better yet, if they gave their children up for adoption to stable families, that would help even more. If they used contraceptives to prevent the pregnancies, that would be even better yet. If they actually abstained from early sex that would be ideal.

What's so controversial about that?

770 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:56:19am

re: #757 Dianna

Not what I was replying to, or saying.

I should have highlighted what I was responding to in order to clarify it for you. Specifically your terminology "irresponsible sex."

771 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:56:30am

re: #663 Optimizer

Technically, doesn't that make Barack illegitimate? (aka, a "bastard"?)

If the marriage wasn't legit then that's right. Anyone know the law on second wifes and/or bigomy?

772 GGMac  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:56:32am

re: #300 jordank

Charles: This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

So...registered 3 days ago. Let me guess - your assignment from hishusseinness' troll headquarters was to get registered at LGF as soon as possible after McCain announced his VP choice.

As transparent as troll entrails can possibly be.

W-e-l-c-o-m-e...........you will be quite the entertainment for the minions of this room.

773 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:56:34am
774 Outrider  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:57:22am

re: #759 galloping granny

...However, this will be broadcast as hypocrisy, poor parenting and lack of control by both the left and right radical fringe...


Frankly, I'm tired of the radical, fundamentalist right. They rear their head at every election (and have cost us at least one presidential election) and make their threats if they are not pandered to.

Let's call their bluff and see if we, as a party, can not get along without them. If they want to vote for BO? Fine, but I doubt they will. Sit out the election? Fine, we may find we won't miss their votes either.

But, this constant pandering to a minority within the party has got to go.

775 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:57:39am

re: #661 Tom Kratman

You think it's never happened? My wife was 17, not pregnant, and we've been married for 30 years.

I'd give you 20 up-dings for that, if I could.

And congratulations!

776 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:57:43am

re: #767 sparrowlake

Age 17 seems so young for a girl to get married. How long has she known the father? Have they had an exclusive relationship, and if so for how long? Is this the girl's choice or is it being imposed on her by her parents? Why is marrying the father necessarily the right thing? Who is the father and how old is he? Can the father support the girl and the baby?

Soap opera politics. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHH!

Those are all really inappropriate questions for anyone other than the Palins and the young man's family to pose, publicly or otherwise. It is, quite frankly, none of your business or mine. Any of that.

777 vagabond trader  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:58:16am

Let's get this RNC on the road already and get down to the issues that affect all of us.

778 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 11:59:35am
779 kuffar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:00:01pm

Jeez.

How big is the McCain and Palin family combined?

That is going to be a full White House. Under solid leadership and Sarah isn't a hard right conservative. She is among the new breed like Jindal, Pawlenty, Romney et al.

780 Pepperpot  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:00:13pm

My momma always told me - people make mistakes, it is easy to get carried away when you are in a romantic situation. Since teenagers brain centers are not developed enough to have good judgment, and birth control often fails (the urge for procreation is the highest biological imperative), we need to bring back the C word to our society - Chaperons!

It is hard to live chastely in an oversexed world when you are constantly bombarded with images to get you all hot and bothered. Our culture is a big contributor to the abounding immorality in the nation.

This lady has guts. She has a big target on her and the left is going to drag every piece of dirty laundry she and her family has for the whole world to see.
If she is tough enough to stand the onslaught of every piece of filth the left throws at her, she will certainly be tough enough to handle foreign policy.

781 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:00:29pm

re: #670 jwb7605

It was published in the paper in 2006, as I recall.

782 alderson  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:00:55pm

re: #739 doriangrey

Hope ... sane ... little. I qualified, I qualified!

783 ornery elephant  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:01:02pm

The Left has made Sarah Palin the target, they've painted a HUGE bullseye on her...hope she has the armor to withstand it. Here's all of the headlines ALL on the front page of HuffPo:

1. Palin Says 17-Year-Old Daughter Is Pregnant

2. GOP Pollster's Focus Group Sees Palin As 'A Gimmick'

3. Palin Trooper Scandal Thrust Into Spotlight

4. Palin: I'd Oppose Abortion Even If My Own Daughter Was Raped

5. Some Conservatives Air Concerns Over Palin

6. Alaska National Guard General: Palin And I Play No Role In National Defense Activities Even When They Involve The Guard

7. Was Palin Ever Vetted? McCain Camp Didn't Search Hometown Paper

784 missykrissy  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:01:05pm

Can I start a rumor?

Actually, ALL of the children (including Trig and this future grandchild) were born from her HUSBAND - who is an alien crash landed on the Alaskan tundra as per RKO movies.

OH - and the dogs are his children too. (They don't all come out human when you are an alien morphic creature, you know. )

And the dead polar bears? Those are the members of the alien crew that didn't make it. He keeps them around so that once back on Betelguse Sigma 24 they can be regrown and once again plot to take over the earth.

(Hey - think I can get the KOS kids to swallow this one? Just asking!)

785 christheprofessor  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:01:25pm

re: #765 Macker

Notice, no 'buts' in Palin's statement. And of course, whenever you see a 'but' that means "Ignore everything which came before that word."

I heard Dennis Miller make an interesting comment on his radio show about Obama and the speech he was likely to make last Thursday -- said that whenever Obama makes a positive comment about the US, he always follows it up with the but as you note. He said that conservatives tend to live quiet lives of practicality before the buts but liberals tend to live after the buts and in the end make butts of us all...

786 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:01:51pm

re: #756 wolfie

It is NOT the position of Augustine or the Church after Augustine either.

It is attributed to Augustine by some, whether he actually thought that or not, based on his thoughts concerning "Original Sin".

787 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #776 galloping granny

Those are all really inappropriate questions for anyone other than the Palins and the young man's family to pose, publicly or otherwise. It is, quite frankly, none of your business or mine. Any of that.

ROTFLMAO.... Sorry granny, I'm pretty sure that was meant as sarcasm.... I'm pretty sure sparrowlake was channeling the LLL and just failed to include the sarc tag...

788 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:02:06pm

re: #774 Outrider
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..However, this will be broadcast as hypocrisy, poor parenting and lack of control by both the left and right radical fringe...

Frankly, I'm tired of the radical, fundamentalist right. They rear their head at every election (and have cost us at least one presidential election) and make their threats if they are not pandered to.

Let's call their bluff and see if we, as a party, can not get along without them. If they want to vote for BO? Fine, but I doubt they will. Sit out the election? Fine, we may find we won't miss their votes either.

But, this constant pandering to a minority within the party has got to go.

I don't know where you got the quote from - what I wrote in #759 is

No matter how much they broadcast and spin it that way, most young women either find themselves pregnant or have a "scare" at least once during their teen years and most parents either face this same challenge or have friends and family that do. Nobody is going to chalk this up to poor parenting. This is a real "there but for the grace of God" issue for far too many people.

I don't think we are going to see big problems from the ultra-conservative religous right. And what is the left going to say? That she should abort? That will win them lots of votes.

789 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:03:34pm

re: #779 kuffar

Jeez.

How big is the McCain and Palin family combined?

That is going to be a full White House. Under solid leadership and Sarah isn't a hard right conservative. She is among the new breed like Jindal, Pawlenty, Romney et al.

The Vice President does not live in the White House. There is a separate residence, quite spacious. And as a married woman with a husband and a baby, Bristol would more naturally remain in her marital home in Alaska rather than reside in DC at a any rate.

790 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:03:58pm

re: #681 Outrider

The only 100% birth control is abstinence. My wife (to be) was on birth control when our first daughter was conceived. We were probably that 1%. But, we have been married for 33 years now and that daughter has two daughters of her own.

This is such a non-issue. The liberals will rant-this is what they do. Doing so will put them in a hypocritical position that is really indefensible.

Amen to that. I am one of the .7% of women who got pregnant on the pill. I was just lucky that it happened while I was married.

There but for the grace of God go I.

791 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:03:59pm
792 WetCoast  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:04:10pm

For all those on the left who see Bristol Palin's pregnancy as proof of Sarah Palin's lack of judgment, parenting skills, etc., (or for that matter, John McCain's lack of judgment in choosing her as her VP) it seems to me the only candidate running in this race that claims to be perfect is none other than their own sainted 'when the oceans stop rising' BHO.

793 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:04:16pm

re: #781 Dianna

It was published in the paper in 2006, as I recall.

How did Rove get the paper to change the date?
/sarc

794 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:04:26pm

re: #787 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... Sorry granny, I'm pretty sure that was meant as sarcasm.... I'm pretty sure sparrowlake was channeling the LLL and just failed to include the sarc tag...

Gave me a chance to make the point :)

795 faraway  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:04:35pm

re: #774 Outrider

radical, fundamentalist right

pffft.

796 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:04:37pm

re: #785 christheprofessor

Miller's a genius.

797 Perry  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:05:29pm
This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

K-Lo on Nat'l Review has it. I can't find it on Focus on the Family's site---very cluttery page.

"In the 32-year history of Focus on the Family, we have offered > prayer, counseling and resource assistance to tens of thousands of > parents and children in the same situation the Palins find themselves > in. We have always encouraged the parents to love and support their > children and always advised the girls to see their pregnancies > through, even though there will of course be challenges along the way. > That is what the Palins are doing and they should be commended for > once again not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family > values, but in living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances. > > "Being a Christian does not mean you're perfect. Nor does it mean that > your children are perfect. But it does mean that there is forgiveness > and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord. I've > been the beneficiary of that forgiveness and restoration in my own > life countless times, as I'm sure the Palins have." > > "The media is already trying to spin this as evidence that Gov. Palin > is a 'hypocrite,' but all it really means is that she and her family are human. > They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans."

798 Kulhwch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:05:46pm

re: #516 jordank

It seems a lot of so called "Christians" here on this board are taking Fornication so.......... lightly

Hey, it's what makes the world go around.  And it's not just the "so called 'Christians'" either, though it's always nice to see a 'so called Christian' get so judgmental against other 'so called Christians' -- Holy Holy War, Batman!

My faith not only takes it lightly, it makes it a sacrament.  Go figure. <shrug>  Trust me, it's not worth getting your knickers in such a twist.  As I seem to recall, there was some debate over the parentage of your saviour as well.

}:)     [Holy Mithra Clone, Batman!]

799 arf  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:05:53pm

The Palin family is going to support her. She's going to marry the father.

I can't see any way this story grows legs.

Same as Cheney's lesbian daughter having a baby. You preach a certain ideal, doesn't mean you always reach it.

John Adams had a kid or two who didn't quite measure up to parent's expectations.

800 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:05:55pm

re: #789 galloping granny

The Vice President does not live in the White House. There is a separate residence, quite spacious. And as a married woman with a husband and a baby, Bristol would more naturally remain in her marital home in Alaska rather than reside in DC at a any rate.

Hurmpf..... Quit being a kill joy.... I like the notion of a White House with lot's of kids and grand kids crawling around the Oval office... (JFK and Jr anyone?)

801 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:05:56pm

re: #791 buzzsawmonkey

They might; the baby will be born into a conservative family, so to many on the left it qualifies as demon spawn.

Perhaps - but that sure will clarify the pro-abortion rather than pro-choice position and lose them a tremendous number of votes among the millions of people who believe that "choice" implies a freedom to choose between options, rather than simply the requirement to abort.

802 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:06:25pm

re: #776 galloping granny

Those are all really inappropriate questions for anyone other than the Palins and the young man's family to pose, publicly or otherwise. It is, quite frankly, none of your business or mine. Any of that.

You're right, it is none of my business. So why did they announce it?
But like it or not, they put it out there as a political announcement, and now it is an issue.
My questions stem from my empathy and from reflecting on the logical questions that would be on my mind if that were my daughter.

803 Dave the.....  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:06:27pm

When I was in college Republicans, we always used small rooms for our meetings and events. That way it always looks packed. When I have been to business events in large convention centers, the staff puts up curtains around the space we are using so you don't have 150 people sitting in the middle of a room that can seat 5,000. What's my point?

The anti-Republican protest in St Paul today has the entire area in from of the Minnesota state capital. They brought in toilets, tents, etc. Then they planned a massive march down to the Excel Center. They kept suing the city because they said those 50,000 need to street right alongside the center. They said with 50,000, this could be the largest protest ever in Minnesota. How many came?

Police put the initial number of marchers at about 2,000 as the formal trek from the Capitol began this afternoon. Police initially estimated the crowd at 10,000, but revised it sharply downward an hour later.

"There's far too few people here," said Lennie Major, a teacher from Mounds View. "We should have 10 times this many. This will only be a blip."

[Link: www.startribune.com...]


Now I wish I had attended the counter protest.

804 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:06:59pm

Thank God this is happening to the Palin's in America and not some Islam controlled country. The young girl has the backing of a caring family to help her in her life's journey. If this had happened in an Islamic nation,she could have been shot,thrown in a ditch,and buried alive like happened just recently to some other teenagers. I love America! Of course,given the headlines in the Leftosphere already,she may think she is an Islamic controlled nation from seeing the hate and stupidity they are spewing.

805 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:07:23pm

re: #759 galloping granny

Nobody is going to chalk this up to poor parenting.

There's more like this at Kos:


And she accepted the VP nomination...
knowing she was a failure as a mother by the very standards she would impose on others.
806 wolfie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:07:58pm

re: #769 medaura18586

Why the hypersensitivity? Who said that non-white ghetto teen pregnancies ought to be given a free pass? Teen pregnancies are a main factor in keeping those 'ghetto' communities plagued, as entire generations of children grow up to single teenage mothers unable to take care of and properly raise their babies. If the father stayed around, that would certainly help ceteris paribus. Even better yet, if they gave their children up for adoption to stable families, that would help even more. If they used contraceptives to prevent the pregnancies, that would be even better yet. If they actually abstained from early sex that would be ideal.

What's so controversial about that?

I've gotta admit that paragraph sounds like common sense to me.

807 Outrider  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:08:03pm

re: #788 galloping granny

I don't know where you got the quote from - what I wrote in #759 is

Granny. I am so sorry. The actual quote came from:

re: #743 LC LaWedgie
FrogMarch
I could see that it might be more than a bit intimidating to be the daughter of "Sarah Barracuda" and the world's best snowmachine driver, and look for a much more conventional and quieter apolitical life.
However, this will be broadcast as hypocrisy, poor parenting and lack of control by both the left and right radical fringe.


Which you were responding to. I tried to get clever and shortcut the "quote" function and blew it. Sorry again-mea culpa

808 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:08:08pm

re: #778 ploome hineni

Jewish law does not call a child of unwed parents a 'mumser'..

a Jewish betrothal is more difficult to break than it is to get a divorce

a 'mumser' or bastard, is the child of two people who would not be permitted to marry under Jewish law

My church still has betrothals. It's same as being married, but without "privileges" or being recognized by the state.

809 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:08:14pm
810 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:08:26pm

As a Southern, Evangelical, White, Male, Gun Owner I checked my media rules guide and this means that I speak for every single Southern, Evangelical, White, Male, Gun Owner alive (and dead) because we are unable to think differently from one another ...and as a GROUP I am hear to announce:

We don't give a damn. If Sarah's in, we're in.

*UPDATE* News Flash!

This just in from my Southern, White, Evangelical, Female, Gun Owner Girlfriend:

We also don't give a damn.

Thank you. You can go about your regular business as usual.

811 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:08:27pm

re: #804 WayDownSouthInBama

Thank God this is happening to the Palin's in America and not some Islam controlled country. The young girl has the backing of a caring family to help her in her life's journey. If this had happened in an Islamic nation,she could have been shot,thrown in a ditch,and buried alive like happened just recently to some other teenagers. I love America! Of course,given the headlines in the Leftosphere already,she may think she is an Islamic controlled nation from seeing the hate and stupidity they are spewing.

To that I and a very LOUD A-men...

812 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:08:38pm

re: #774 Outrider

Frankly, I'm tired of the radical, fundamentalist right. They rear their head at every election (and have cost us at least one presidential election) and make their threats if they are not pandered to.

Let's call their bluff and see if we, as a party, can not get along without them. If they want to vote for BO? Fine, but I doubt they will. Sit out the election? Fine, we may find we won't miss their votes either.

But, this constant pandering to a minority within the party has got to go.

Amen, brother!

813 Optimizer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:09:09pm

re: #274 doppelganglander

Last thought because I've got to run: If Bristol is 5 months along, that would mean the baby's due around January. I hope Sarah doesn't have to choose between being by her daughter's side as she gives birth and attending the Inaugural Ball. Let's hope for a late December/early January due date.

Even if Bristol hit the 5 month mark TODAY, 9 months takes you up to 01JAN. Chances are, it will be before that. Not much chance of a conflict with an inauguration, which is in late January. She'd have to go about 10 months for that!

814 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:09:14pm

re: #789 galloping granny

The Vice President does not live in the White House. There is a separate residence, quite spacious. And as a married woman with a husband and a baby, Bristol would more naturally remain in her marital home in Alaska rather than reside in DC at a any rate.

The house on the southeast corner of 34th Street and Massachusetts Avenue in Washington DC is where the vice president of the United States would live. Located on the grounds of the United States Naval Observatory, the house was built in 1893 for the Superintendent of the Observatory.
More importantly, does it have a baby pool? If not, start digging.

815 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:10:27pm

re: #802 sparrowlake

You're right, it is none of my business. So why did they announce it?
But like it or not, they put it out there as a political announcement, and now it is an issue.
My questions stem from my empathy and from reflecting on the logical questions that would be on my mind if that were my daughter.

They announced it specifically because of a site on the internet using Bristol's name, which claimed that Trig was in fact Bristol's child - and implied worse. I reported that site to the McCain campaign when I discovered it yesterday.

816 christheprofessor  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:11:04pm

re: #796 Rancher

Miller's a genius.

Yes, he is. His use of language is like William F. Buckley on comedy steroids...

817 Racer X  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:12:40pm

re: #804 WayDownSouthInBama

If this had happened in an Islamic nation,she could have been shot,thrown in a ditch,and buried alive like happened just recently to some other teenagers.


Those who were shot and buried alive merely expressed a desire to choose their own husbands. For this they were killed.

Had they actually had out of wedlock sex, their whole family would have been killed and their village burned to the ground.

818 musicman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:12:41pm

A Time reporter knew all about it except the boy friends name. In Wasilla, Pregnancy Was No Secret

819 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 12:13:08pm

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