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Breaking: Palin's 17-Year Old Daughter Pregnant

Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:20:51 am PDT

Fox News just announced that Sarah Palin’s 17-year old unmarried daughter is pregnant... she plans to marry the father... developing...

UPDATE at 9/1/08 9:28:55 am:

The McCain campaign knew about it:

Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter’s pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.

This comes right after James Dobson and other Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

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1 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:21:33am

Well damn. Guess I'm not voting for McCain/Palin this fall.

/

2 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:22:35am

Is this some kind of joke?

3 Orangutan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:22:45am

Even her daughter is aggressive!

4 wiffersnapper  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:03am

She has more responsibility in her than a 40 year old pro-choice feminist

5 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:09am

Oh, in that case I vote for Obama.
NOT!

6 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:09am

There's nothing on FNC about it.

7 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:11am

I wonder if this confirms the Daily Kos story, makes a whole new one, or will meet somewhere in the middle?

8 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:12am

How dare she marry the father and not have an abortion!
/

9 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:12am

MSNBC has a full story on the developing situation with Bristol Palin, who will be marrying the father. The Palins want the media to respect their children's privacy.

10 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:14am

Now we get to see how "liberal" liberals really are.

11 HBob  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:24am

The balance of power in the free world hinges on the ability of one teenager to keep her legs crossed.

I think not.

12 6pat6  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:41am

Sounds like she is doing the responsible thing, much to the dismay of the Jackass Party - I'm sure they'd rather her zip out for an abortion, then shack up with her boyfriend.

13 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:42am

re: #9 lawhawk

MSNBC has a full story on the developing situation with Bristol Palin, who will be marrying the father. The Palins want the media to respect their children's privacy.

That only applies to liberals children.........

14 wiffersnapper  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:42am

So does this make Sarah a GILF?

15 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:23:53am

That baby will be born into a beautiful family. Lucky child.

16 Citizen Duck  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:24:02am

Well dang. I sure didn't see that one coming.

17 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:24:09am

re: #14 wiffersnapper

So does this make Sarah a GILF?

*whack*

18 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:24:21am

It'll help seal my vote if she keeps the kid.

19 dhimmipower  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:24:24am

If the father is Barack, I am heading for the bar! (ok I was anyway, but now this is for real)

20 BrianA  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:24:33am

re: #10 jcm

Now we get to see how "liberal" liberals really are.

How low will they go?

21 jorline  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:08am

Hey...shit happens. Has nothing to do with her ability to be the future VP.

22 jamihabs  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:13am

Will she be punished with a baby?

23 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:14am

Let's see how the Palins handle it - they obviously knew about it going into the Friday speech. As did Bristol. And they didn't look rocked or panicked.

Perspective is called for here. Theirs is a regular family with its ups and downs, and challenges life brings. How they respond in this will show their character and class, and their love and support for their daughter and grandchild.

And oh yeah - the nutroots will be crowing about this. But just with the debunked "Trig is Bristol's" crap, they will show their true colors. Black-heartedness.

24 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:16am

Any UK lizards in the house? Chanel 4 Dispatches is showing the sequel to Undercover Mosque tonight. It would be great if someone would record it for us.

25 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:16am

re: #18 laZardo

She intends to keep the child and marry the father. Expect the usual assortment of redneck jokes to come out of the woodwork, including the shotgun wedding variety.

26 Big Steve  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:27am

Up on KOS already and guess what, they think this 'hurts' their cause. Also quoting that McCain knew and this was forced out, by, non other than Kos.

27 6pat6  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:28am

They'll go plenty low, I'm quite certain. Any second now...

28 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:35am

This isn't any different from how Obama started out. Except for the marriage part. Let's see the hypocrisy on this one.

"It's horrible that Sarah Palin won't be devoting her time to planning the wedding."
'Cause that's what us good mother chicks should be doing you know.
/

29 itellu3times  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:25:37am

John Edwards?

30 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:26:24am

Oh, man. This is so not my business!

If they're getting married, fine. If they're not getting married, fine. Not my affair.

31 faraway  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:26:28am

FightThePalinSmears.com has links and updates.

32 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:26:36am

re: #25 lawhawk

That's good. Definitely counters the usual tale of what usually happens during teen pregnancy romances.

33 Dan Tanna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:26:40am

Oh brother....
I guess in this internet age we get to see every moment in someones private life.
Could you imagine if we had blogs and 24 hour news during the Kennedy years?

Im sure the hypocritical lib media will begin the savaging........

34 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:07am

Suprised Planned Parenthood isn't rushing there to give her an abortion, if true. Hey DNC, fuck you.

35 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:10am
36 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:16am

Watching the press and Kos scum go after a 17 year old girl is going to be horrible.

37 mojoazul  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:25am

So now it begins. I think it will be a tactical error for the donks to go after Ms. Palin. Perhaps people will realize what the difference in the parties really is. Or not.

38 The_Moose_Overlord  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:28am

I've just determined that at the current rate of propagation, the earth could become "Palinized" within 48 months...

39 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:30am

Punished with a baby.

40 cblesz  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:31am

Dear God. Can the media get off of this crap? Why don't we talk about Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, etc...gimme a freaking break.

41 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:27:41am

re: #10 jcm

Now we get to see how "liberal" liberals really are.

Obama doesn't want his daughters burdened with child. We know what his daughter would do.

42 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:04am

Well as a Southern Baptist, conservative, Southerner, I say...

Congratulations, Bristol, I know you'll make a fantastic mother. You have superb role models in your parents. God bless you, the father, and your child.

43 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:28am

Well now kos kids look like assholes with their conspiracy theories.

They just forced a young woman to have to be outed for being pregnant when it is no one elses business.

What assholes.

44 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:35am

re: #14 wiffersnapper

*whackwhackwhackwhackwhackwhack*

45 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:44am

re: #9 lawhawk

MSNBC has a full story on the developing situation with Bristol Palin, who will be marrying the father. The Palins want the media to respect their children's privacy.

That seems like an odd way to fulfill a request for privacy.

46 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:51am

Shocking news.... Girl gets pregnant, first time in Human history a girl has ever gotten pregnant.... Stop the presses, Sarah Palin must be a unfit mother... Unfit to be VPOTUS because her daughter got pregnant.... /s

47 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:28:55am

re: #39 Rancher

Yeah, we all know what the Messiah would do.

48 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:27am

Again the left's negative response will highlight their hypocrisy.

49 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:34am

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

Why is this a problem?

The left will spin this as evidence of conservative hypocrisy. "See the all American family!"

They are going to shoot themselves in the foot with this.

50 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:35am

re: #26 Big Steve

Up on KOS already and guess what, they think this 'hurts' their cause. Also quoting that McCain knew and this was forced out, by, non other than Kos.

Stupid. If McCain knew, and I'm pretty sure he did, there's nothing to the story. Bristol's getting married. Big whoop. A lot of young women blow it. It happens.

If anyone really is going to get up in arms about this, it's going to backfire.

51 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:37am

re: #44 MandyManners

*whackwhackwhackwhackwhackwhack*

Heh heh heh, yes, whack em good for even needing to ask.....

52 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:38am

re: #42 gop_patriot

Well as a Southern Baptist, conservative, Southerner, I say...

Congratulations, Bristol, I know you'll make a fantastic mother. You have superb role models in your parents. God bless you, the father, and your child.

I predict that Bristol Palin will have the world's largest baby shower.

53 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:29:50am

re: #43 Typicalwhitey

Well now kos kids look like assholes with their conspiracy theories.

Redundancy.

54 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:30:01am

re: #44 MandyManners

*whackwhackwhackwhackwhackwhack*

That's gonna' leave a mark.

55 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:30:02am

Sorry, is this somehow supposed to be a deal-killer? Because it's not.

56 StinkHammer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:02am

Umm -- forgive my crassness, here -- but so the fuck what if she's pregnant?

57 BrianA  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:04am

re: #43 Typicalwhitey

Well now kos kids look like assholes with their conspiracy theories.

They just forced a young woman to have to be outed for being pregnant when it is no one elses business.

What assholes.

The Alinskyites like Kos have no problem outing innocents. Ridicule is their main weapon.

58 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:05am

re: #53 MarkX

Redundancy.

kossholes.

59 kynna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:09am

McCain knew when he made the pick. Another plus for the man I used to hate.

I love their statement to the press. I love that her daughter is going to marry the father of her baby. I hate that she's pregnant and I wish she'd made smarter choices, but this baby is being born into a family of incredible love and honor.

The leftist twits heads will explode. That should be fun to see. First they make the scurrilous accusations and now watch them freak on the daughter further.

Lawsy I hope they get sued.

60 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:12am

Accidents make people happen.

61 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:13am

I'm sure the Alan Colmes Septic Tank Brigades will be cackling with glee with this one, saying it spotlights the hypocracy of the party that preaches 'Family Values'....

For the record, when was the last time anyone heard a GOP candidate run on the 'family values' platform?

62 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:21am

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

It's not. But I bet you Kos diarists begin posting hysterical nonsense before an hour has passed.

63 vagabond trader  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:21am

Not my business and certainly not that of the dems. My only concern is losing the conservatives.

64 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:37am

re: #58 jcm

Kos Kids Klub?

65 mojoazul  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:31:38am

re:#43 TW
I think you may have angered assholes everywhere.

66 eaglewingz08  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:06am

THIS IS MSNBC shills for Obamanation which probably ran the libel that Sarah's baby was actually her daughter's child that she hushed up. Now they just change the meme, after irrefutably being shown that Sarah was visibly preggers back in February 2008 and that the supposed photo showing a 'pregnant' Bristol was taken back in 2006 (which would be an uncommonly long pre-natal gestational period under any circumstances) to make it a current pregnancy. I doubt there is any truth to the story, and it is just part of the lib meme that conservatives and repubs are hypocrites and evil. Will wait for future updates on this from reputable (non DNC/Obama) sources.
If this story is false, as I believe it is, this would be twice that the media has libelled Bristol in three days. I would have her get a good lawyer and sue the bastards. She's not in the campaign and has not done anything to make herself newsworthy or a public figure. You go girl!

67 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:06am

re: #57 BrianA

The Alinskyites like Kos have no problem outing innocents. Ridicule is their main weapon.

Alinksy Rule #13:
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it (Alinsky 1972: 130).

68 Glaucon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:21am

Barack was also conceived by a teenage mother, except in that case the father was already married to another woman.

69 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:26am
70 StinkHammer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:34am

re: #39 Rancher

Punished with a baby.

Oh, that's a good one! :^)

/Wish I'd thought of it....

71 BrianA  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:32:37am

re: #53 MarkX

Redundancy.

That's an insult to assholes.

72 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:21am

Karl Rove conjured up Gustav as a diversionary tactic so that when the news leaked, we'd all be focused on New Orleans.

YOU MAGNFICENT BASTARD!

73 TheSpartan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:28am

Obama's mother was an unwed teenager.

If the DEMs jump all over this they will be eaten alive.

74 txcamper  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:29am

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

75 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:36am

re: #61 Fenway_Nation

I'm sure the Alan Colmes Septic Tank Brigades will be cackling with glee with this one, saying it spotlights the hypocracy of the party that preaches 'Family Values'....

For the record, when was the last time anyone heard a GOP candidate run on the 'family values' platform?

I'd say to Colmes and his fellow slimeballs, how is it not "family vaues"? You teach your kids but at some point they go out on their own. The values come in with her marrying the father and taking responsibility for her actions. Those show excellent values. Much better than running around dressed as a pink statue of liberty harassing the police.

76 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:36am

All this crap is going to backfire on them ...

Civilized Americans do not attack women and children. Verbally or otherwise.

77 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:45am

Like outing gay Republicans while professing to respect gay rights.

78 Reno911  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:48am

As the father of a young woman. I can tell you that all you can do as parent is guide therm and hope they make good decisions. This is an internal, private family issue and the reaction of the left will speak volumes.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Democrat.

79 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:33:49am

re: #56 StinkHammer

Umm -- forgive my crassness, here -- but so the fuck what if she's pregnant?

Careful with the puns, mister.

/jk

80 semper Gumbi  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:00am

re: #66 eaglewingz08

Um, according to Fox News, the McCain campaign has confirmed that the oldest daughter is, indeed pregnant.

81 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:21am

re: #63 vagabond trader

Not my business and certainly not that of the dems. My only concern is losing the conservatives.

Anyone with a lick of sense knows that while you can raise a child in the right way, a parent cannot be with a child 24/7.

82 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:22am

re: #45 galloping granny

It's odd only because they didn't want rumors to be circulated that might cause other troubles. The fever swamps have already been running rampant with all manner of rumor and innuendo, and they put out a brief statement to quell any further stories on point.

More here.

83 realwest  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:24am

CHARLES: " It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter."
It would be far more interesting, I think, to hear from Obama about this - you know the Obama who bitched and moaned about how neither his wife nor kids were to be used for campaign purposes?!

84 runrabbitrun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:35am

Already the theory is out that this is Bristol's second child by the dad....

If Sarah doesn't put out those evidential records of her pregnancy with Trig TODAY (amnio, sonogram, blood) I think this won't play out well.

85 Jake Sisko  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:45am

Not a big deal to me, but it's better for this to go public now, rather than the weekend before the election like Bush's DUI.

86 mich-again  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:54am

Curiouser and curiouser. I can't say this is a good thing for the campaign. A big distraction to say the least. And it will bring up the question of Is mom too busy with her career to stay involved enough with the kids. No male politician would get that kind of scrutiny but I have the sense that its different for female candidates. Not that its fair, but it is what it is.

87 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:54am

re: #74 txcamper

And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

You mean they weren't already?

88 BrianA  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:34:55am

re: #74 txcamper

It will be a lot easier if Grandma is the Veep.

89 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:09am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Celebrity families get a special exemption for mockery.

/hrrrrgh

90 jamihabs  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:09am

Palin should come forward, let the country know they will be welcoming this child into the world and that her daughter is not being “punished with a baby”!

91 StinkHammer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:24am

re: #75 livefreeor die

The values come in with her marrying the father and taking responsibility for her actions. Those show excellent values.

Excellent point. Personal responsibility being the lynchpin of a conservative political ethos.

92 kynna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:26am

Seems to me 'Family Values' starts with having the kid in the first place. The choice to have the baby is the foundation of the term.

If McCain loses conservatives over this, then those people aren't conservatives. And they need to look back at their own family trees.

I'll just say this. My grandma was exactly 15 years older than my mom. It happens. It's what you do after it happens that matters.

93 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Again--so what? She got pregnant, and she's marrying the father. That's a hell of a lot more "American family" than the Britney Spears saga, the spate of bastard children which seem to have replaced lapdogs as the pets of choice in Hollywood, or the pregnant children who leave their babies in the trash at the prom.

I agree with you.

Carville will spout on a talking head show, "Who are the republicans to talk about moraility?"

They will try to make it an issue. Most people will be turned off by attacks on the daughter.

94 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:31am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Again--so what? She got pregnant, and she's marrying the father. That's a hell of a lot more "American family" than the Britney Spears saga, the spate of bastard children which seem to have replaced lapdogs as the pets of choice in Hollywood, or the pregnant children who leave their babies in the trash at the prom.

You know, right through most of the 60s women in this country tended to marry young, often straight out of high school. Babies followed.

95 mean Gene  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:37am

The hypocrisy of the left will become even more apparent over this.
As said above, how dare she not have an abortion.
Or how dare she not go on the dole.
It is so pathetic.
Obama's entire constituency are people who've had abortions AND are on the dole, (and the paper pushers who enable them) but woe to the republican who takes the high road.

96 Old Hippie Vet  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:44am

BFD

The daughter isn't running of any office.


It's nice to know someone is having sex.

97 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:45am

And this matters.....how?

98 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:50am

re: #66 eaglewingz08

The campaign has announced that Bristol is about 5 months along.

Is it ironic that the announcement is on Labor Day?

99 little boomer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:35:58am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

Bingo.

100 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:05am
101 DistantThunder  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:10am

Why isn't this considered just another alternative lifestyle - married and pregnant?

102 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:18am

Oh, I hope the pregnancy is uneventful. If a miscarriage were to happen, I guarantee you that the left will claim she terminated the pregnancy.

103 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:26am

re: #63 vagabond trader

Not my business and certainly not that of the dems. My only concern is losing the conservatives.

Maybe its just me, but I think that times have truly changed and there just aren't that many of those around anymore, you know, the real stuffed shirt moralists.

I am a (fiscal) conservative and it will not matter one whit to me.

104 TheMatrix31  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:28am

An interestingly ironic twist, lol.

105 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:37am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

No one said this was going to be easy for her, and I haven't seen anyone extolling the wonders of teenage pregnancy. Her parents seem like good people who would support her getting her education. The "great news" is that her family didn't throw her out on her own or force her to do something she doesn't want to do. They love her and support her.

106 6pat6  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:38am

Geez, back in the day, 17 was a NORMAL marrying age for a young woman. Why do people think that, in this allegedly "enlightened" age (especially Libs) that a 17-year-old woman gets pregnant is somehow news? Regardless how famous her parents are! In the human race, seventeen is a normal age to begin. However, with our Lefty friends wanting to treat people as kids until they are at least 35, and the fact she plans to marry AND keep the baby, the Leftards are simply apoplectic about it!

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

107 Truck Monkey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:41am

This is Plugz' opportunity to use this against Sarah Palin much the same way the Silky Pony used the Cheney gay daughter against Dick Cheney...... probably to the same effect.

108 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:46am

Well, gee, the evangelicals wouldn't do something like hand the election over to the democrats over a trifle like this, right?

109 vapig  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:36:58am

re: #42 gop_patriot

Well as a Southern Baptist, conservative, Southerner, I say...

Congratulations, Bristol, I know you'll make a fantastic mother. You have superb role models in your parents. God bless you, the father, and your child.

Well said and Ditto!

110 GorgonBEgone  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:05am

The moral to the story?

Those without will cast stones at those with.

Another non event to be exploited for a few
greedy votes?

111 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:09am

re: #83 realwest

CHARLES: " It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter."
It would be far more interesting, I think, to hear from Obama about this - you know the Obama who bitched and moaned about how neither his wife nor kids were to be used for campaign purposes?!

He will see no problem, it is is NOT his wife or kid. Until he is calle dou ton it then its.. I had no idea that my (fill in the blank) had these thoughts then under the bus they go.

112 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:28am

re: #84 runrabbitrun

If Sarah doesn't put out those evidential records of her pregnancy with Trig TODAY (amnio, sonogram, blood) I think this won't play out well.

Much better to let the left spout their hate for awhile and then squash them.

113 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:44am

re: #25 lawhawk

She intends to keep the child and marry the father. Expect the usual assortment of redneck jokes to come out of the woodwork, including the shotgun wedding variety.

My shotgun wedding joke.

[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]

114 GregInSeattle  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:52am

Not good, but hopefully not too bad.

115 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:54am
116 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:37:55am

re: #93 jcm

They will try to make it an issue. Most people will be turned off by attacks on the daughter.

Agreed.

If the Dims go there it will backfire. Big time.

117 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:06am

re: #102 MandyManners

Oh, I hope the pregnancy is uneventful. If a miscarriage were to happen, I guarantee you that the left will claim she terminated the pregnancy.

Mandy, if she terminated the pregnancy she would be a hero with the Left.

118 semper Gumbi  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:09am

re: #90 jamihabs

See Lawhawk's link in post 82

119 realwest  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:11am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey
"re: #49 jcm

The left will spin this as evidence of conservative hypocrisy. "See the all American family!"

They are going to shoot themselves in the foot with this.

Again--so what? She got pregnant, and she's marrying the father. That's a hell of a lot more "American family" than the Britney Spears saga, the spate of bastard children which seem to have replaced lapdogs as the pets of choice in Hollywood, or the pregnant children who leave their babies in the trash at the prom."

What about the fact that Obama's mother was a teenager who was unwed when she gave birth?

120 SteveC  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:15am

re: #47 MarkX

Yeah, we all know what the Messiah would do.

And the Chosen One spoke, and He said "Verily, verily I say unto you, had this been my child, I would personally drive her to the nearest Planned Parenthood office, so that she could lay down this heavy burden. But because the young one is the offspring of Palin, one of the great unwashed, she has been cursed with a curse that even I, The Great One, cannot remove." And his minions spoke into their golden microphones and the Word was heard throughout the land.

121 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:21am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

Get over it. No it isn't "great news" but it also is not an utter tragedy either. Teenagers get pregnant. They have babies. Or abortions. Is it hard to be a young parent? Sure. But it is hard to be a first time parent at ANY age.

It all goes to personal responsibility. If you play, then sooner or later you will pay. Bristol and her young man decided to play. Now they are taking responsibility, which is exactly what good parents teach their children to do.

122 DistantThunder  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:30am

AS for the baby I say: Hurrah! One more conservative!

To liberals I say: Please continue to abort your babies! (This is intended for cognitive dissonance purposes only!)

123 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:31am

re: #40 cblesz

Dear God. Can the media get off of this crap? Why don't we talk about Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, etc...gimme a freaking break.

Heh. I think that's the whole point.

124 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:31am

re: #74 txcamper

You have a point. It's not going to be easy. However, this isn't brand-new to the Palin family, and I'm certain there has already been discussion and planning.

It really isn't any of our affair, but the press is going to make it our affair.

125 libertexian  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:36am

And this folks, is learning creationism in high school. The base should be electrified.

126 valkyrie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:39am

Bristol will have to grow up faster than I'm sure her family would have hoped but will do just fine with the support of a good family around her. She'll have a much richer life in the long run than others her age who will be tempted to extend their adolescence well into their 30s and possible 40s.

127 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:43am

re: #80 semper Gumbi

"If it's on Faux News, it must therefore not be true and thus makes her an example of an 'all-American' family!"

/moonbat logic off, grrrrnh

128 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:44am

re: #14 wiffersnapper

So does this make Sarah a GILF?

Smack!

129 RoughRider  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:38:57am

"Palin's daughter is apparently not a lesbian, unlike Dick Cheney's daughter.... who is a lesbian."

/J F'n K

130 kynna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:39:08am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

We are all concerned for Bristol and, if you read the comments of the past two days, you'll see that. Sure this is an 'oh shit' moment, but is it not a blessing that the girl is having the baby and marrying the father? Sure could be worse.

It's great news because there will be a baby at the end of it. A beautiful child brought forth into a loving family. I'm thrilled that it's not going to end in bloody pieces in a trash can. Does that make me callous? Nope. I see beyond the 'oh shit' to the wondrous possibilities. You should try it some time.

131 wong fei hung  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:39:13am

I feel disgusting.

This election is going to be a watershed event.

A lot more people who have been in the dark about politics will see the left-wing modus operandi for what it really is:

Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists.

F***ING HYPOCRITES.

-WFH

132 de La Valette  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:39:23am

re: #52 galloping granny

Cheney should host it at the Naval Observatory.

133 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:39:28am

I can smell the misogyny bubbling up from the left-wing fever swamp..
here is comes...

Kinda funny that this is reported right after the jackass Excitable Andy and KOS just made colossal fools of themselves.

134 jones  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:39:58am

Busy news weekend. I'm beginning to miss the Clinton days when nothing bad ever happened and I could watch soap operas all day.


/

135 Truck Monkey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:05am

re: #74 txcamper

Am I the only one here that's concerned for Bristol? She will be a young mother before she has the chance to finish her education. This will NOT be the happy time you people think. It is NOT easy to be a young parent, and with the extra media attention it will bring, she isn't going to be America's idol.
Grow up, people. This is an "oh shit" moment for the Palin family, not a "wow this is great news!" moment. And you can bet we're going to spend the next month listening to the MSM call the Palin family white trash.

I couldn't agree more. The only thing missing in this equation is the double wide trailer and the cars up on blocks in the front yard. The Palin family will be tested by this more than I think they realize. Prayers go out to all of them as I am sure this isn't "good" news for their family.

136 kansas  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:10am

The wife and I at 60 are raising our 16 year old grand daughter who arrived by similar circumstances. Greatest thing that ever happened to us. I donated to McCain/Palin using Pay Pal, and volunteered for yard signs and phone tree.

137 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:17am

re: #129 RoughRider

LOL.

You're a bad boy...

138 ShumBaayaMyLord  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:26am

Re #68 Glaucon

That is absolutely brilliant! Spot on and pithy into the bargain. I really hope that someone in the McCain/Palin campaign has that quip at the ready.

139 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:40am

Who's the daddy?

140 Vero  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:42am

lucky my girlfriend of 16, now my wife of 33 years didn't get "with child" back all those years ago. I sure as hell aint going to judge someone's ability to lead over what their daughter did.

Throw the first stone sort of thingy - I would bet the ranch that the ones on KKKKKos screaming abou this has had a dozen sex partners out of wedlock

141 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:40:58am

re: #84 runrabbitrun

Nonsense. She shouldn't dignify that vile story with any response.

142 wintercat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:03am

Will Obama call for people to leave Palin's family out of this as he has asked for his own to be exempt from scrutiny? I hope so.

Having a pregnant daughter is a heartbreak for many American families. Does that mean Palin is not eligible to take the #2 slot? Not in my view. Yes, the KOS folks and the Alan Combs of the world will attack her with even more furer than before. So what? This just shows that they don't walk the talk.

I am only interested in what Palin herself has done as a matter of public policy and so far, from what I have seen, she looks pretty good.

143 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:07am

re: #62 Dianna

It's not. But I bet you Kos diarists begin posting hysterical nonsense before an hour has passed.

What a load of trash they are.

144 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:20am

There are no perfect people and the sooner the democrats put this non issue behind them the better. Who are they to sling mud at anyone?

The fact that she's doing the honorable thing by not "getting rid" of her "mistake" speaks volumes about her own character and upbringing.

145 nikis-knight  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:23am
It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

Yes, but I don't think it will be scathing. Pretty much everyone, even every Christian, knows someone who has grown, or near so, children who make stupid decisions due to a weak moment, or knew someone who did at one point.

Having a weak moment, or a child who does, is quite different from spurning virtue altogether! The important thing is what happens after, of course. 17 is young to get married, but no reason why it can't work.


BTW, hamsters doing okay today? LGF seems slow to me.

146 christheprofessor  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:35am

Good thing Bristol's mother is part of the Republican ticket. Otherwise, she'd be looking at the undercarriage of a bus right about now...

147 StinkHammer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:41am

I must be naive, 'cause I'm really not seeing how this is supposed to be seen as a huge detriment among the voting populace. I mean, how does it negate Palin's personal qualifications to be veep?

But then, I do tend to think rationally about such things.

148 Charles  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:41:43am

(I could not possibly care less about this news, by the way.)

149 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:42:29am

re: #92 kynna

Yes if we were to look in all of our families I am sure everyone of us has a ancestor who gave birth less than nine months after their wedding. It is a fact of life always has been always will be young men and young women are attracted to each other. So this is going to happen, it is what you do after you discover you are pregnant that shows your true character

150 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:42:30am

re: #136 kansas

The wife and I at 60 are raising our 16 year old grand daughter who arrived by similar circumstances. Greatest thing that ever happened to us. I donated to McCain/Palin using Pay Pal, and volunteered for yard signs and phone tree.

Like I posted on another thread. This situation happens in many, many families (my included) in America.

If the Dims make this an issue, it will backfire.

Big time.

151 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:42:38am
152 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:42:49am

This won't deter the dems from making scurrilous attacks on the daughter. The dems demand forgiveness for their sins while they vilify conservatives for their sins. Disgusting. Give the Palins and their children some privacy on this issue.

153 GregInSeattle  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:08am

re: #148 Charles

Then why is posted on your very, very popular (and good) blog?

154 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:12am

This is a family matter. It has nothing to do with this election. Just as Chelsea was off limits, just as Jenna and Barbara were off limits (after the MSM had a can of whup ass dumped on it) so should this be off limits.

155 mean Gene  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:20am

The United States is one of only two ethnically (mostly) European countries (Ireland is the other) with a replacement population growth rate.
I say, ''Good for the McCain's with their large family and the Palin's with their large family."
Liberals and their push to make child bearing and rearing looked down on have been de-populating themselves out of a majority.
(Which is why they cheat. ACORNs instead of real voters.)

156 runrabbitrun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:37am

Just like the Invesco Obamapalooza, it will prove a losing issue for the Dems, who are usually ecstatic for any Donk politician who has stood behind abortion for raped ten year olds with no parental/legal notification, is happy to support San Fran values, and free love people who started sleeping with underage circus troupes (plus the elephants) at age 8.

And just like the Obamapalooza, the American people will have a three day memory span for this kind of info, then Joe Biden will stick his hoof in his mouth, and a new news cycle will begin.

157 ccrnyc  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:51am

hawt.

158 semper Gumbi  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:56am

re: #139 MandyManners

Who's the daddy?

The Palin family press release mentioned a boy named Levi.

159 jones  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:57am

Will KOS apologize for the incest smear?

No.

Will the media smear the Palins.

As if they weren't going to anyway.

I wish all involved best luck and I now move on to real issues..

160 Miss Trixie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:43:57am

So. Sweet Trig was born in April/May of this year and according to the kosholes Bristol is the mother. Here we are in September and she's pregnant again?

Either Bristol has extraordinary reproductive abilities or the kosholes need massaging with a clue by four.

*borrows Mandy's whacking paddle*

*whack*whack*whack*whack*whack*

Bloody idiots and it's really none of your business anyway.

Leeches, slugs and roaches the lot of ya.

161 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:06am

re: #147 StinkHammer

I must be naive, 'cause I'm really not seeing how this is supposed to be seen as a huge detriment among the voting populace. I mean, how does it negate Palin's personal qualifications to be veep?

But then, I do tend to think rationally about such things.

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

162 StinkHammer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:10am

re: #148 Charles

(I could not possibly care less about this news, by the way.)

You and me both.

Excuse me while I yawn.

163 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:11am
This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I have no doubts.

It is a known fact most folks of that political stripe advocate the family structure to be of the nuclear type.

From all outward appearances, their family appears to be the model of what a decent, all too human, American family should represent in 2008.

I don"t think the sewer gasses will be coming from the direction of Dobson, or anyone in that fold.

164 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #14 wiffersnapper

So does this make Sarah a GILF?

Ask the person next to you to slap you. Ugh.

165 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:19am

re: #121 galloping granny

Get over it. No it isn't "great news" but it also is not an utter tragedy either. .

I have two nieces from different sides of the family who have been "baby focused" since they were 4 years old. All they could talk about was having their own baby. This was way beyond just playing with dolls. Through their high school years, the parents watched them like hawks. Sure enough, right after high school, one 17, the other 18 got preggers and had their (first) babies. One got married, the other didn't want to then, nor does she now. They are in their mid-twenties now and each have 3 kids. Three bright, energetic, loving, caring kids. The one has a terrific marriage. They other a really successful home business (single mom AND entrepreneur).

Some girls/women are just baby focused. For them, babies are not "accidents" or "oopses," but long awaited blessings.

Not my choice, but it works for them!

166 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:21am

This past week has exposed many liberals for the misogynistic hypocrites they are.

167 kuffar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:43am

BRISTOL IS PREGNANT!

Congrats. This has no bearing on my vote. Infact it makes me wanna pull that lever even more. w00t!

Out of spite for "Punished with a Baby" Obama.

And to think, in elected national office, there is going to be a family and not a parental-offspring blood unit.

168 Flavia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:55am

The only remarks I've seen so far is that this is yet another failure of abstinence only education.

169 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:56am

re: #119 realwest

"re: #49 jcm

The left will spin this as evidence of conservative hypocrisy. "See the all American family!"

They are going to shoot themselves in the foot with this.

Again--so what? She got pregnant, and she's marrying the father. That's a hell of a lot more "American family" than the Britney Spears saga, the spate of bastard children which seem to have replaced lapdogs as the pets of choice in Hollywood, or the pregnant children who leave their babies in the trash at the prom."

What about the fact that Obama's mother was a teenager who was unwed when she gave birth?

I look far more at people handle misadventures in life. The left love the passage in Matthew about "he who is without sin cast the first stone." They never read a little farther along to "go and sin no more."

Call it "sin" from a Christian perspective, we recognize we are sinful by nature. We are to strive not to sin knowing we will fail. What's important is not the failure, but what we do afterward.

Take the religious view out of it. It's not as much the action that's problematic, it's the response to the consequence.

Conservatism takes responsibility. The Palin family is taking responsibility.

170 dahveed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:58am

This story has not one thing to do with how our executive branch will deal with national security, energy independence, fighting the war on terror, etc.

171 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:59am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Any UK lizards in the house? Chanel 4 Dispatches is showing the sequel to Undercover Mosque tonight. It would be great if someone would record it for us.

Not watching TV - but you might be able to watch it here after 24 hrs, thats tomorrow ...

172 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:44:59am

re: #161 MandyManners

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

I realized how stupid the logic is as I was writng that. But, there are people who believe that.

173 Alouette  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:05am

re: #130 kynna

We are all concerned for Bristol and, if you read the comments of the past two days, you'll see that. Sure this is an 'oh shit' moment, but is it not a blessing that the girl is having the baby and marrying the father? Sure could be worse.

It's great news because there will be a baby at the end of it. A beautiful child brought forth into a loving family. I'm thrilled that it's not going to end in bloody pieces in a trash can. Does that make me callous? Nope. I see beyond the 'oh shit' to the wondrous possibilities. You should try it some time.

Have some lemonade!

174 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:06am

re: #119 realwest

What about the fact that Obama's mother was a teenager who was unwed when she gave birth?

His Daddy was really committed though, marrying the mom while already married.

175 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:07am

re: #148 Charles

The media will flog this ad infinitum because of the salaciousness; the fever swamps will rake the muck; and life will go on.

At the end of the day, I hope that Bristol gives birth to a healthy baby and that she, her soon to be husband, and baby have as normal a life as one could expect from being in the limelight - warranted or unwarranted.

176 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:12am

re: #74 txcamper

I am concerned for her. But the thing is, it's a done deal. It's silly to waste time going "oh shit" when there's a baby on the way.

And I say this as someone who's been through what this young woman is going through when I was in my early 20s, and I was a single mother for 5 years. She's younger than I was, but I guarantee that I know what she's feeling and going through. Also, let's face it; it is a much different situation being young and pregnant these days, than it was 20 years ago, whether we like it or not.

177 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:15am

My oldest daughter is pregnant.

Her "fiance" with whom she was living dumped her two days after she told him.
We raised her right and her birth control failed.

I can understand what the Palins are going through and believe me it just makes them seem more real than ever.

And I am thrilled to be a soon to be grandma!

178 Charles  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:16am

re: #153 GregInSeattle

Then why is posted on your very, very popular (and good) blog?

Because it's news.

179 Luigi  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:28am

Is there any issue in public life that has nothing to do with sex?

180 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:29am

re: #155 mean Gene

The United States is one of only two ethnically (mostly) European countries (Ireland is the other) with a replacement population growth rate.
I say, ''Good for the McCain's with their large family and the Palin's with their large family."
Liberals and their push to make child bearing and rearing looked down on have been de-populating themselves out of a majority.
(Which is why they cheat. ACORNs instead of real voters.)

Are you implying that our country needs to stay majority white?

181 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:45:40am

re: #161 MandyManners

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

Barry's grandmom (the typical white one) had the same failure and things worked out pretty well for him

182 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:46:47am

My shotgun wedding joke (already posted elsewhere yesterday):

Here's an idea for a postmodern musical...Seven Fathers With Six Shotguns And A Kalashnikov!

Written by John Milius, directed by Francis Ford Coppola, with Robert Duvall as Colonel Gramps, R. Lee Ermey as Grampa Gunny.

"I love the smell of a wedding in the morning..."

183 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:46:55am

Sarah Palin is NOT a GILF!

She's a VPILF! There's even a website!
[Link: www.vpilf.com...]

184 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:46:55am

re: #167 kuffar

Infact it makes me wanna pull that lever even more. w00t!

I assume you mean in the voting booth. ;) /

185 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:02am

re: #125 libertexian

And this folks, is learning creationism in high school. The base should be electrified.

What?

186 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:17am

(Whew...the hamsters are working hard. took forever to get in) The only thing about this story that matters is how vicious the Kossacks and Madame Sullivan are going to be to that poor girl. In a good world Bristol and Levi would be allowed to privately go off and start the life they choose. In this one they will be besieged by the animals on the Left. bleh.

187 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:30am

re: #178 Charles

In which case, can we get a Gustav-makes-landfall thread?

/shout out to the Gulf Coast lizards

188 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:39am

re: #147 StinkHammer

I must be naive, 'cause I'm really not seeing how this is supposed to be seen as a huge detriment among the voting populace. I mean, how does it negate Palin's personal qualifications to be veep?

But then, I do tend to think rationally about such things.

The liberal, moonbat mind is hard the comprehend.

The thinking, I think, is that the 'Christian right' will shun Palin because she didn't raise her children morally correct.

(It's hard to try to understand the left's twisted thought processes)

189 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:41am
Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

I'm confused. Her water broke in Texas and sh flew to Alaska so her daughter, who was already in Alaska could give birth?
/still pondering last thread

190 GorgonBEgone  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:47am

re: #99 little boomer

You can eat the T*rd sandwich or toss it back in the face
of the media who exploit the garnish.

She made her bed earlier then most.
Why won't it work out?

Juno?

191 armytramp  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:55am

I am not seeing a problem for the campaign here.

I don't think Cheney's lesbian daughter was a big deal, either.

The only thing it points out to me is the hypocrisy of the Democratic party in trying to play this for advantage.

I knew this election would get ugly, but I had no idea how low people would go.

I've voted Democrat in the past, I voted for Clinton.

I doubt I will do so in future.

192 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:47:56am

I'm afraid this might be something of a momentum-buster. Too soon to be sure, though. The Dems ability to blow it can never be underestimated. But it doesn't help at all. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the evangelical influence (more like a strangle-hold) over the Republican party.

193 Rune  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:48:01am

> Palin's 17-Year Old Daughter Pregnant
Good for her. A bit young, but all children are a blessing - including those of a 18yo mother. And better a young mother than an old bitter woman cheated into postponing children past menopause. And she plans to marry the father. Also good.

194 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:48:24am

re: #172 MandyManners

I realized how stupid the logic is as I was writng that. But, there are people who believe that.


And I doubt that they will vote for McCain anyway.

195 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:48:26am

Meanwhile the Gustav news is better than expected.

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A weakened Hurricane Gustav slammed into the heart of Louisiana's fishing and oil industry Monday, avoiding a direct hit on flood-prone New Orleans and boosting hope that the city would avoid catastrophic flooding.

Wind-driven water was sloshing over the top of the Industrial Canal's floodwall, but city officials and the Army Corps of Engineers said they expected the levees, still only partially rebuilt after Hurricane Katrina, would hold. The canal broke during Hurricane Betsy and Hurricane Katrina, flooding St. Bernard Parish and the Lower 9th Ward.

Let's pray the trend continues.

196 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:48:46am

Incredible: Excitable Andy still is insisting that Palin prove she is the mother of Trig. Dumbass Andrew Sullivan can't so simple math.
Obviously - it is impossible for Bristol to have delivered in April and be five months pregnant now.

197 opnion  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:01am

OMG! Seventeen year old's are having sex! Who knew?
Why wasn't I informed?

198 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:13am

re: #175 lawhawk

The media will flog this ad infinitum because of the salaciousness; the fever swamps will rake the muck; and life will go on.

At the end of the day, I hope that Bristol gives birth to a healthy baby and that she, her soon to be husband, and baby have as normal a life as one could expect from being in the limelight - warranted or unwarranted.

All McCain camp has to do is play that sound bite of BHO and his "punished by a baby." Will make him look like a fool.

199 mean Gene  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:15am

re: #180 jordank

Nope, just pointing out that ethnic Europeans (who are mostly in Europe and LIBERAL) have been depopulating themselves out of existence for some time.
And noting the large families of the Republican ticket was just a perk.

200 de La Valette  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:16am

re: #67 jcm

That won't work on a fighter pilot - who is trained to act dynamically - no wonder McCain is in his OODA loop, BHO thinks this is an artillery duel.

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:28am

re: #130 kynna

We are all concerned for Bristol and, if you read the comments of the past two days, you'll see that. Sure this is an 'oh shit' moment, but is it not a blessing that the girl is having the baby and marrying the father? Sure could be worse.

It's great news because there will be a baby at the end of it. A beautiful child brought forth into a loving family. I'm thrilled that it's not going to end in bloody pieces in a trash can. Does that make me callous? Nope. I see beyond the 'oh shit' to the wondrous possibilities. You should try it some time.

That is the best way to describe this situation. Bravo!

202 runrabbitrun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:29am

re: #141 Dianna

Nonsense. She shouldn't dignify that vile story with any response.

You're right, I am just so outraged at the hypocrisy of the Dems and the unfairness of the smears.

To the press, the donks demanded 'hands off Amy Carter!', and 'hands off Chelsea Clinton! (as it should be absent criminality)', but then analyzing/videotaping every move made by the Bush twins, and now the same cruel scrutiny for the Palin children?

203 Truck Monkey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:31am

As an aside.... I can guess that maybe 80 to 85% of us could have, or maybe did end up in this very same situation. A percentage were smart, a percentage got lucky, and a percentage were "punished" with a baby. Not necessarily news in my book.

204 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:40am

re: #196 FrogMarch

Incredible: Excitable Andy still is insisting that Palin prove she is the mother of Trig. Dumbass Andrew Sullivan can't so simple math.
Obviously - it is impossible for Bristol to have delivered in April and be five months pregnant now.

Facts, schmacks! It's the seriousness of the charge that counts.
/

205 armytramp  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:42am

And by the way, good luck to Bristol with her child, and congratulations on the upcoming marriage.

206 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:49:49am

re: #170 dahveed

This story has not one thing to do with how our executive branch will deal with national security, energy independence, fighting the war on terror, etc.

We all know that, but the Democrats and their shills in the Media will be spending the next few days (weeks?) trying to convince us that it does.

207 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:50:20am

re: #181 calcajun

Barry's grandmom (the typical white one) had the same failure and things worked out pretty well for him

Yeah, and what thanks did she get?

The Messiah threw her under the bus.

208 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:50:35am

re: #198 Russkilitlover

All McCain camp has to do is play that sound bite of BHO and his "punished by a baby." Will make him look like a fool.

Not to mention the fact that Barry's mom got knocked up her freshman year in college. The story should not have legs.

209 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:50:36am

re: #204 jcm

Like facts had anything to do with Alan Colmes nonsensical ravings about Trig's Down's?

210 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:50:37am

Children are punishment /mistake - but stated nicely my THE ONE.

211 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:50:53am

re: #197 opnion

OMG! Seventeen year old's are having sex! Who knew?
Why wasn't I informed?

Well, none of us had any business knowing what her sex life was in the first place.

212 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:04am

re: #182 The Other Les

My shotgun wedding joke (already posted elsewhere yesterday):

Here's an idea for a postmodern musical...Seven Fathers With Six Shotguns And A Kalashnikov!

Written by John Milius, directed by Francis Ford Coppola, with Robert Duvall as Colonel Gramps, R. Lee Ermey as Grampa Gunny.

"I love the smell of a wedding in the morning..."

Guest starring Sacha Baron Cohen as the quirky foreigner.

/

213 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:08am

re: #169 jcm

I look far more at people handle misadventures in life. The left love the passage in Matthew about "he who is without sin cast the first stone." They never read a little farther along to "go and sin no more."

Call it "sin" from a Christian perspective, we recognize we are sinful by nature. We are to strive not to sin knowing we will fail. What's important is not the failure, but what we do afterward.

Take the religious view out of it. It's not as much the action that's problematic, it's the response to the consequence.

Conservatism takes responsibility. The Palin family is taking responsibility.

A thousand up-dings!

214 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:11am

I'm guessing the babydaddy's shoes have already been nailed to the floor. That's one family I wouldn't want to cross.

215 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:13am

re: #169 jcm

snip

Call it "sin" from a Christian perspective, we recognize we are sinful by nature. We are to strive not to sin knowing we will fail. What's important is not the failure, but what we do afterward.

snip

Amen. And these two young people will have to show great character indeed with the coming Libtard shitstorm.

216 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:28am

re: #195 jcm

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A weakened Hurricane Gustav slammed into the heart of Louisiana's fishing and oil industry Monday, avoiding a direct hit on flood-prone New Orleans and boosting hope that the city would avoid catastrophic flooding.

Shouldn't we thank Obama for boosting hope?

/yes we can!

217 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:43am

re: #200 de La Valette

That won't work on a fighter pilot - who is trained to act dynamically - no wonder McCain is in his OODA loop, BHO thinks this is an artillery duel.

McCain is so far inside Obama's loop, it's almost funny.

McCain is got commercials taking serious chunks of flesh, the Obama is side is going after the veeps daughter.

218 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:48am

re: #192 Salem

I'm afraid this might be something of a momentum-buster. Too soon to be sure, though. The Dems ability to blow it can never be underestimated. But it doesn't help at all. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the evangelical influence (more like a strangle-hold) over the Republican party.

I hope they remember Christ's admonition about throwing stones.

219 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:55am

The liberal press is looking for anything to drive Palin out of the race.
Give 'em hell, Sarah.

And they better put Secret Service on her husband before he does the honorable thing and punches one of these newstards out.

220 TXcamper  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:51:58am

Just saw the update that the campaign already knew about it and it was no biggie to McCain. That's a relief. A lesser candidate would have fed Palin to the wolves.

221 opnion  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:02am

re: #211 Perplexed

Well, none of us had any business knowing what her sex life was in the first place.

Exactly! Where is this relevant? I wish the kid the best.

222 kynna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:03am

I agree that it will be interesting to see how Barry responds to the attacks on Bristol Palin. She's not out there giving speeches like Michelle. She's only a part of the campaign in that she stands up for pics and holds the baby while mom's making a speech. She should be off limits.

223 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:06am

re: #183 DesertSage

Sarah Palin is NOT a GILF!

She's a VPILF! There's even a website!
[Link: www.vpilf.com...]

Thanks for the linky.

Bookmarked!

224 de La Valette  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:15am

The young groom to be had to go face the first dude ... I bet he can handle the media now.

225 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:21am

re: #197 opnion

OMG! Seventeen year old's are having sex! Who knew?
Why wasn't I informed?

It's the Republican VP candidates 17-year-old daughter, and that makes all the difference in the whirled.

226 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:52:33am

Tempest in a teapot.

As a mother of a pregnant daughter, I would be seriously pissed off if I had to address the issue of the left attacking my daughter.

And I think that most moms on here agree.

We can sympathize with Governor Palin. She just seems even more real.

After her speech at the RNC I believe this will be a non issue.

227 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:01am

re: #218 MandyManners

I hope they remember Christ's admonition about throwing stones.

Do they ever?

228 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:03am

re: #216 Fenway_Nation

Shouldn't we thank Obama for boosting hope?

/yes we can!

Obama's causing the sea levels to drop!
/we are the ones!

229 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:22am

re: #224 de La Valette

The young groom to be had to go face the first dude ... I bet he can handle the media now.

That would be a tough meeting, and not one I would want to do.

230 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:32am

re: #160 Miss Trixie

So. Sweet Trig was born in April/May of this year and according to the kosholes Bristol is the mother. Here we are in September and she's pregnant again?

Either Bristol has extraordinary reproductive abilities or the kosholes need massaging with a clue by four.

*borrows Mandy's whacking paddle*

*whack*whack*whack*whack*whack*

Bloody idiots and it's really none of your business anyway.

Leeches, slugs and roaches the lot of ya.

There are not enough Large Sicilian Gentlemen from New JerseyTM in the world to deal with the Kos-Kiddies.

231 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:36am

re: #193 Rune

> Palin's 17-Year Old Daughter Pregnant
Good for her. A bit young, but all children are a blessing - including those of a 18yo mother. And better a young mother than an old bitter woman cheated into postponing children past menopause. And she plans to marry the father. Also good.

My mother was (barely) 18 and pregnant with me when she married my father. They are still together 47 years later!

232 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:41am

I know the MSM will try to make this a huge thing: "You 'Family Values' people are hypocrites." How many people know people who have not done foolish or regretful things, made mistakes, and such? The question after the fact is what is being done now? Hopefully this girl has not been pressured into any course of action she is uncomfortable with, but after being given the facts, made an informed choice. I'm sure this will not be devastating to her future because she has a supportive family. It seems a non-issue to me.

Now if it were the president committing adultery in the Oval Office...nah, that wouldn't happen.

233 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:56am
"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.

Hmmmmm, a pattern.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

234 eaglewingz08  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:53:57am

If true, will Bristol name the kid Juno (from the film of same name) if a girl?

235 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:54:20am

re: #219 livefreeor die

The liberal press is looking for anything to drive Palin out of the race.
Give 'em hell, Sarah.

And they better put Secret Service on her husband before he does the honorable thing and punches one of these newstards out.

The secret service is desperately training agents to snowmobile, hunt etc... to be able to cover the Palin family.

236 Gang of One  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:54:38am

re: #14 wiffersnapper

So does this make Sarah a GILF?

**CLANG!**

/iron skillet in the face

237 Idle Drifter  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:54:48am

Teddy Roosevelt to Kos:

"It is not the critic (you know who you are) who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man (woman) stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man (woman) who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself (herself) for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he (she) fails, at least he (she) fails while daring greatly, so that his (her) place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

Edit and emphasis mine. I think it fits today's context quit nicely.

238 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:54:56am

Well, I'll hope for the best...

*sigh*

239 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:55:17am

re: #192 Salem

I'm afraid this might be something of a momentum-buster. Too soon to be sure, though. The Dems ability to blow it can never be underestimated. But it doesn't help at all. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the evangelical influence (more like a strangle-hold) over the Republican party.

You know, a lot of people are casting fearful glances at the "evangelical vote." But McCain's done a pretty good job of not pandering to them from day one. Besides - I know A LOT of Christian, evangelical folks with kids who get preggers, do drugs, drop out, etc. I sure hope we don't see hypocritical puritanism from any supposed "evangelical"!

240 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:55:28am

re: #234 eaglewingz08

If true, will Bristol name the kid Juno (from the film of same name) if a girl?


Maybe 'Juneau' after the Alaska capital.

/Isn't that a Palin family tradition?

241 Carolyn  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:55:45am

I am a Christian and it will not affect my vote in any way.
People make mistakes, at least she's not having an abortion.
Christians are not perfect, never thought we were.

242 jaunte  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:55:55am

Watching a bunch of Bill (just a blowjob) Clinton and John 'babydaddy' Edwards supporters huffing about a rival candidates' daughter having unmarried sex is a surreal inversion.

243 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:05am
244 fishbob  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:11am

re: #148 Charles

Thank you, Charles.....I really didn't think you did.

The story is totally pathetic and doesn't warrant discussion. The Dems are totally freaking out over Governor Palin. This lady is a fireball and they know it. The more they push, the more it will backfire on them. I can't wait to hear her speech soon!

245 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:13am

re: #234 eaglewingz08

If true, will Bristol name the kid Juno (from the film of same name) if a girl?

No, probably Juneau.

/I crack myself up

246 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:31am

re: #239 Russkilitlover

You know, a lot of people are casting fearful glances at the "evangelical vote." But McCain's done a pretty good job of not pandering to them from day one. Besides - I know A LOT of Christian, evangelical folks with kids who get preggers, do drugs, drop out, etc. I sure hope we don't see hypocritical puritanism from any supposed "evangelical"!

Good points. I hope you're right.

247 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:45am

I have question. How and where did Bristol do it? I mean, she had to be under some form of Trooper protection/watch. I really do not mean to make more of this than necessary, but the issue which might arise is whether the Palins used the Governor's office and resources to keep this quiet or to hide any possible misuse of the State's financial resources. The family morality issue is irrelevant; the issue that is bound to come up is some form of malfeasance allegation.

248 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:56am

re: #177 Typicalwhitey

My oldest daughter is pregnant.

Her "fiance" with whom she was living dumped her two days after she told him.
We raised her right and her birth control failed.

I can understand what the Palins are going through and believe me it just makes them seem more real than ever.

And I am thrilled to be a soon to be grandma!

Congratulations! My oldest daughter is 21 and very career-focused, so I suspect I'll be waiting a long time for grandchildren.

249 middlecon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:56:58am

Wow! this is a shocker...a very bold decision by Palin to go into this knowing she had a pregnant 17 year old and realizing what the attack dogs will say about abstinence education, abortion etc. If I was in a similar situation I probably would have politely declined to not have my daughter face it.

I think this will turn off a segment of the conservative voting population. Just my opinion.

I think McCain is a long shot anyway, but its alot closer than it should be.

250 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:02am

re: #214 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm guessing the babydaddy's shoes have already been nailed to the floor. That's one family I wouldn't want to cross.

Can you picture the poor kid walking in to tell your girlfriends mom and dad that you got their daughter pregnant, and they are both sitting in the den cleaning their guns.

251 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:08am
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.

Now that is a real man.

252 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:17am

re: #234 eaglewingz08

If true, will Bristol name the kid Juno (from the film of same name) if a girl?

Brought a smile to my face, even though not an LOL joke.

253 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:30am

You guys are missing the big picture.

Never once have the Palin family or Bristol herself said anything less then that this baby will be born, cared for and loved....which is a great thing!

Obama would consider this new human life a 'mistake' and worthy of being terminated.

254 Jimash  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:36am

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

Couldn't agree more.
The sight of people living it, makes them seethe and spit.

255 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:42am

re: #161 MandyManners

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

You can tell children all sorts of things. You can be the most spotless example who ever lived. Children, like adults, sometimes don't do the best or smartest things. How the daughter chooses to handle the situation will test the mettle of her character.

256 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:47am

re: #238 Salem

Well, I'll hope for the best...

*sigh*

Only radical fringe evangelicals will consider this a problem. The bulk of evangelicals (and I are one) won't. How the Palin's are handling it, keeping the baby getting married speaks more than the situation itself.

The number of fringe evangelicals will pale in comparison to main stream democrats who will be sickened by the attacks and not vote for Obama.

257 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:57:58am

re: #247 calcajun

I have question. How and where did Bristol do it? I mean, she had to be under some form of Trooper protection/watch. I really do not mean to make more of this than necessary, but the issue which might arise is whether the Palins used the Governor's office and resources to keep this quiet or to hide any possible misuse of the State's financial resources. The family morality issue is irrelevant; the issue that is bound to come up is some form of malfeasance allegation.

I believe she does not have a security detail as Governor. I'll check for the link.

258 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:58:22am

Obama is a smoker.

Obama refuses to release any of his medical records. What does Obama have to hide? Why won't Excitable Andy insist Obama release HIS medical records?

259 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:58:43am
260 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:58:46am

re: #92 kynna

My mother was an adopted baby. Thank God, that some respect life for what it is, a gift from God. Sounds like the Palins have accepted the responsibility & are going to take care of their gift (moonbats, read that as "problem", that is).

Take care!

261 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:59:22am

re: #217 jcm

McCain is so far inside Obama's loop, it's almost funny.

McCain is got commercials taking serious chunks of flesh, the Obama is side is going after the veeps daughter.

They can debate on issue because on the issues they are clearly wrong.


I just had a horrible thought, so go ahead and down tick me on it:

The Chicago Machine will now count the votes of the aborted.

262 Miss Trixie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:59:30am

The Other Les

There are not enough Large Sicilian Gentlemen from New JerseyTM in the world to deal with the Kos-Kiddies.

LOL!

*snort*

Gang of One

**CLANG!**

Thanks! Now I must clean off my monitor that's dripping with Fresca ...

263 Gang of One  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 9:59:39am

re: #61 Fenway_Nation

I'm sure the Alan Colmes Septic Tank Brigades will be cackling with glee with this one, saying it spotlights the hypocracy of the party that preaches 'Family Values'....

For the record, when was the last time anyone heard a GOP candidate run on the 'family values' platform?

Absolutely, Fen. This 'family values' meme sounds like something the LLL constructed after hearing conservative disagreement with their anti-life, pro-abortion, decadent lifestyle choices. What conservative in recent years, if ever, used the term 'family values'?

And isn't keeping a family whole and intact, regardless of when and how it came into being, valuable?

264 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:00:09am

re: #253 DesertSage

You guys are missing the big picture.

Never once have the Palin family or Bristol herself said anything less then that this baby will be born, cared for and loved....which is a great thing!

Obama would consider this new human life a 'mistake' and worthy of being terminated.

I have a feeling that won't be the media's take. And the media will drown out any attempt to sentimentalize this.

265 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:00:16am

the Spears sisters are not available for comment.

266 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:00:18am

re: #235 jcm

They will have memories that last a lifetime. Aurora Borealis, hunting, -50 temps, Polar bears, Moose. I wish them well.

267 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:00:57am

re: #253 DesertSage

You guys are missing the big picture.

Never once have the Palin family or Bristol herself said anything less then that this baby will be born, cared for and loved....which is a great thing!

Obama would consider this new human life a 'mistake' and worthy of being terminated.

No, I've known these facts. I think that the contrast between Palin attitude to life and Obama's will be a huge plus for her.

268 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:01:08am

re: #261 The Other Les

The Chicago Machine will now count the votes of the aborted.


*whack*
cleaning coffee off my keyboard and monitors.....

269 Cognito  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:01:59am
This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I don't think it will be particularly interesting.

Charles, I think you're making a classic agnostic mistake when it comes to the likes of James Dobson. He's got nothing against young mothers -- rather, I think he'll probably issue a statement of compassion, if anything.

Dobson, et al, feel that teenaged motherhood as a phenomenon isn't good for the country and its moral fiber, and just about anyone would agree. Who among us champions teen motherhood? But he has never, that I've seen, condemned any young woman as a person.

He's not Fred Phelps, a dribbling moron who hates people.

270 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:09am

I admit I had premarital sex with my wife. Guess I won't be getting that new job...

271 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:17am

re: #265 FrogMarch

the Spears sisters are not available for comment.

For the moment. Some photog will ask Britney about it before the day is out.

272 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:26am

Mrs. Palin can respond, if asked, as follows:

I will address this once and then I want the same privacy and respect shown to my children as are shown to Senators Obama and Biden.
I wish it were under different circumstances but my daughter and her fiance are taking responsibility for their child and their childs future.
And to tell you the truth....I am thrilled to be a soon to be grandmother! What a joy and a blessing this child will bring to our family!

273 MarkX  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:26am

re: #247 calcajun

She also waved off a security escort, driving herself to and from work every day from the Anchorage suburb of Wasilla, about 45 miles away.

Link.

274 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:31am

Last thought because I've got to run: If Bristol is 5 months along, that would mean the baby's due around January. I hope Sarah doesn't have to choose between being by her daughter's side as she gives birth and attending the Inaugural Ball. Let's hope for a late December/early January due date.

275 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:35am

re: #161 MandyManners

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

Yep, exactly.

However - have they thought that this means they're now also all forbidden to ahve sex out of wedlock, and/or when stil legally a juvenile?

Thing is, for moonbats sex is totally divorced from reproduction, from what is or should be the result, from love, from family life.
Thats why they have to attack it so ferociously whee they see it: it turns their world view upside down.

276 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:36am

re: #232 David IV of Georgia

Republicans: We're Human, we don't pretend to be godlike superior beings who demand unquestioned obedience.

277 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:02:37am

re: #257 MarkX

I believe she does not have a security detail as Governor. I'll check for the link.

Please do. Keep in mind the issue with Bill Clinton; it was not that he had sex--it was that he perjured himself and obstructed justice. The issue here is not the Bristol is pregnant, but the accusations that Mom and Dad improperly used state resources to keep it under wraps. That's what we need to be prepared for.

Frankly, it would have been better to reveal this last Friday in Dayton with the lucky man by Bristol's side and an engagement ring on her finger. Provided the lucky man is a high school classmate and not a married state trooper.

278 jill e  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:04am

"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," [Obama] said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

How much easier to simply abort the baby! Palin and her family have chosen the much more difficult route by following what they believe to be right. That's the sort of person I want a "heart beat away from the presidency."

279 JSK1121  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:08am

OT: Any of you want to get in great shape? Check this out. I've been doing it for 5 weeks and look WAY better than Obama with my shirt off.

[Link: hundredpushups.com...]

280 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:12am

re: #266 Perplexed

They will have memories that last a lifetime. Aurora Borealis, hunting, -50 temps, Polar bears, Moose. I wish them well.

From what little gets talked about, most agents loved going to Reagan's and GWB's ranch. They're be plenty of agents willing to do duty on a Alaska hunting trip.

281 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:21am

re: #246 Salem

Good points. I hope you're right.

I see a lot less hypocrital puritanism from evangelicals than I do from the left.

282 Cognito  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:27am

P.S.: How disgusting it will be, if the Democratic side uses this -- a very personal moment in the life of a 17-year-old girl -- to its own political ends.

283 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:36am

How long before they start claiming that Todd is the father?

/like they did with Bristol/Trig

284 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:37am

re: #161 MandyManners

Some will say that because Palin could not teach her daughter to not have sex before marriage, she is not fit to help lead a nation.

Yep, and as children/teens we always obeyed our parents. /s

There but for the grace of G_d go I.

285 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:49am

Picturing Sarah at the wedding, carrying a shotgun.

/kidding!

286 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:54am

re: #257 MarkX

I believe she does not have a security detail as Governor. I'll check for the link.

Palin has not used security for her or her family. She lives very modestly and drives her own car to and from as do all her family members.

287 Jake Sisko  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:03:55am

Forgot to add something to me earlier post...

"Congratulations Bristol & Levi!"

"and to the new grandparents!"

288 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:04:02am

Barry's mom had barry when she was what 18?

289 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:04:02am

re: #214 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm guessing the babydaddy's shoes have already been nailed to the floor. That's one family I wouldn't want to cross.

ROTFLMAO................Nailed to the floor, hell if the kid has one single functional brain cell in his head he did this to get her to marry him.... That's not a family you cross, its one you try like hell to become a member of.

290 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:04:09am

re: #272 Typicalwhitey

Mrs. Palin can respond, if asked, as follows:

I will address this once and then I want the same privacy and respect shown to my children as are shown to Senators Obama and Biden.
I wish it were under different circumstances but my daughter and her fiance are taking responsibility for their child and their childs future.
And to tell you the truth....I am thrilled to be a soon to be grandmother! What a joy and a blessing this child will bring to our family!

Exactly!
+1

291 laZardo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:05:38am

re: #258 FrogMarch

Obama is a smoker.

Back in my day that made you bad-ass cool.

292 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:05:39am
293 Carolyn  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:05:47am

I am so f'n sick of politics.
Go to New Orleans? Not go to New Orleans?
Have a shit fit about a pregnant teenager?
Use anything to destroy?
Bastards.

294 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:03am

re: #268 jcm

*whack*
cleaning coffee off my keyboard and monitors.....

Sorry.

295 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:03am

re: #282 Cognito

P.S.: How disgusting it will be, if the Democratic side uses this -- a very personal moment in the life of a 17-year-old girl -- to its own political ends.

YHGTBFK.

296 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:14am

re: #289 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO................Nailed to the floor, hell if the kid has one single functional brain cell in his head he did this to get her to marry him.... That's not a family you cross, its one you try like hell to become a member of.

Dorian
I must say your post almost made me cry, I don't know why.
What a beautiful thing to say!

297 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:26am

re: #235 jcm

The secret service is desperately training agents to snowmobile, hunt etc... to be able to cover the Palin family.

HaHaHaHA ... you'll love this ...
The ex worked one summer as chief cook in a church camp in the mountains. A black bear sow lived up-canyon. During the camping season, the manager would truck the kitchen scraps a mile up the dirt road and dump them. The bear knew, and would wait nearby. (object, to keep the bear out of the camp while kids were there)

Several of us rode up one evening on the food-dump errand. One was a neighbor of ours, whose son was working as kitchen help. This fellow was a SS agent, "on duty all the time", and carrying a snub-nose .357 in an ankle holster. We spotted the sow sitting in the gloom about 150 yards away up on the side of the canyon, waiting for us to leave.

I quipped to the fellow, if she comes down here, I'm getting behind you. He replied, quite seriously, that I would get run over.

298 Irving  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:33am

It is worth pointing out that Palin expressly advocates abstinence-only sex education programs - so yes, this story does indeed have some political relevance.

It'll be interesting to see if she modifies her views, seeing as abstinence only programs seem to have some notable failures.

299 ladycatnip  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:06:34am

#30 Dianna

Oh, man. This is so not my business!

If they're getting married, fine. If they're not getting married, fine. Not my affair.

Amen to that. The left needs to mind their own business, but it's so much easier to go after a 17 year old than go head-to-head with McCain/Palin.

300 jordank  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:07:33am

Charles: This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

301 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:07:35am
302 vapig  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:07:49am

re: #86 mich-again

Curiouser and curiouser. I can't say this is a good thing for the campaign. A big distraction to say the least. And it will bring up the question of Is mom too busy with her career to stay involved enough with the kids. No male politician would get that kind of scrutiny but I have the sense that its different for female candidates. Not that its fair, but it is what it is.

Actually, I think their attitude and actions since the discovery of their child's pregnancy speaks volumns about them as parents and human beings. They have wrapped their arms around her with love and support and are standing by her. Nothing is being said about this being a "mistake." Just that she is pregnant, will keep the baby and will marry the father.

Now - if we see a shotgun at that wedding........

//

303 LoFlyer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:07:55am

re: #249 middlecon

Wow! this is a shocker...a very bold decision by Palin to go into this knowing she had a pregnant 17 year old and realizing what the attack dogs will say about abstinence education, abortion etc. If I was in a similar situation I probably would have politely declined to not have my daughter face it.

I think this will turn off a segment of the conservative voting population. Just my opinion.

I think McCain is a long shot anyway, but its alot closer than it should be.

This is a non-issue to most Americans. Now if Govorner Palin had been screwing her financial comptroller on the desk, and lying to grand-juries about it, (Like the Mayor of Detroit) then we might have an issue. The Palins are handling this in a responsible manner, compared to the Clinton's and Edward's sex scandals, The Palin's are saints. This is not going to sit well with the American public. Democrats are hypocrites that do much worse than Miss Palin, and she is not running for office!
/frack the dems!

304 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:03am

re: #247 calcajun

I have question. How and where did Bristol do it? I mean, she had to be under some form of Trooper protection/watch. I really do not mean to make more of this than necessary, but the issue which might arise is whether the Palins used the Governor's office and resources to keep this quiet or to hide any possible misuse of the State's financial resources. The family morality issue is irrelevant; the issue that is bound to come up is some form of malfeasance allegation.

Premarital sex- Tougher in Alaska.

305 Dolce  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:09am

My daughter is 3 years old so chances are I won't be a grandmother for a while, but if she were pregnant at 17 I wouldn't see that as "punishment". I may prefer her to have the pregnancy experience when she is more able to enjoy it in all its aspects, but regardless of her marital status the child would be welcome. A child doesn't rule out higher education etc.

When I was younger and thought I had done the damage (it turned out I hadn't), my very upright and conservative parents were very positive about it - actually they were almost disappointed when no grandchild materialised.

I only hope Bristol doesn't marry because she feels she has to.

But all your sensible comments are so heart-warming - the perfect antidote to the current Democratic rants.

Sullivan has been odd for quite a while.

306 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:10am

re: #282 Cognito

P.S.: How disgusting it will be, if the Democratic side uses this -- a very personal moment in the life of a 17-year-old girl -- to its own political ends.

What do mean if?

307 Maximu§  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:13am

My wife got married to me while she was pregnant with our first son...so whats the big deal?

308 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:16am

re: #298 Irving

remember Nancy and her thoughts on stem cell research, or Cheney on gays.

309 jaunte  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:21am

re: #300 jordank

"allowed her child to do this"
That's a stretch.

310 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:24am

re: #288 pegcity

Barry's mom had barry when she was what 18?

Nevertheless, the couple married on February 2, 1961 in Maui, Hawaii.[6][1]

On August 4, 1961, at age 18, she gave birth to her first child whom she named Barack Hussein Obama II.

7 months..... not saying a thing.....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

311 jimc  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:38am
This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.


As an "evangelical" Christian, I can attest that the way they are handling this is only positive. Sure a young girl is pregnant out of wedlock but those without sin can cast the first stone, so I doubt anyone is in any danger of getting hit with a rock.

In fact, this situation only further proves the pro-life stance of the family, two pregnancies that the left would consider a "burden".

312 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:08:46am

re: #288 pegcity

Barry's mom had barry when she was what 18?

And if Obama is smart he'll bring that up to wish Bristol Palin all the best and dismiss the story. I hope he does that, it would be classy and show him as being able to relate to people who think differently from him.

313 cblesz  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:09:13am

This is such a non-story. We all know Barry would have driven one of his kids to the abortion clinic because he wouldn't want them to be burdened for a mistake.

Move on. Nothing to see here. This only brings up the "every family" Palin's again. The media is shooting themsleves in the foot.

314 lori lane  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:09:24am

re: #279 JSK1121


[Link: hundredpushups.com...]

ugh.

315 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:09:46am

The Liberals have no Idea they are speaking hypocrisy, Obama will come back and quote that maybe Palin's daughter may be "being punished with a baby." and is "bitter because of clinging to guns and religion." There are millions of teen mothers in America. My mother was one of them at the age of 17. My father was 18. It's more common than Liberals want to admit. The MSM plays off teen pregnancy like it's some kind of disease when young child birth is the world norm. Only elitists or the self absorbed scoff at pregnancy which is why countries in Europe have falling populations.

The MSM has tried to brain wash us into believing in overpopulation so that we are ashamed to breed. With the Liberals in charge, be sure that our birth rates will fall in line with the Rest of modern Europe.

316 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:09:49am
317 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:09:51am

My wife belongs to the same denomination as Palin. Let m assure you the kids have sex and get pregnant, my own niece, the ministers daughter, included. The difference is the decision afterwards. Not all can or chose to marry. But the babies are welcomed in the church and the support is there.

318 armytramp  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:00am

I would like to issue a challenge to all Americans:

Are you having or have you ever had premarital sex?

Vote for Palin.

319 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:08am

re: #300 jordank

Hang out with a lot of creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents do you?

320 Crimsonfisted  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:09am

A new baby in the White House! Who is up for a baby shower? Sounds like a party to me!

321 Mike McDaniel  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:11am

This is bad for the family. Very bad, as a couple under ~25 will suffer severe financial strains these days. But it is not as uncommon as one would wish.

On the other hand, they ARE getting married. Which is an unusual response, these days. The usual reaction is for the sperm donor to try to browbeat the girl into an abortion, then head for the hills when she refuses.

The Dems will try to use this as part of a "family values hypocrite" smear. I don't think it will work. There are too many other parents trying to cope with wayward daughters to make it stick. Especially since a shotgun wedding is a lot better than the handful of child support checks followed by abandonment that is the usual outcome.

322 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:12am

We can all hear the gears rattling and whirring in the left-wing slime machine.

323 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:24am
re: #227 Salem

re: #218 MandyManners

I hope they remember Christ's admonition about throwing stones.

Do they ever?

They just forget it goes both ways—it applies not just to other people.

324 wintercat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:27am

I believe this will be a hot issue for the liberal side for a few days and then they will have to let up. Liberals must know that crucifying Palin's 17 year old daughter so they can destroy Palin is just not going fly with any American who has a shred of decency in their bodies. Especially those parents who have teenage daughters. It is something many parents worry about when they have kids.

I hope that the campaign can keep this girl insulated from the ugliness that is sure to come and in fact is already coming from the Democrat camp.

I also think that people should refrain from putting this event up as a great thing. Clearly, it is not. The young woman and the young man in question have added a difficult dimension to their lives. But it is not our business in any way.

325 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:10:49am

re: #298 Irving

It is worth pointing out that Palin expressly advocates abstinence-only sex education programs - so yes, this story does indeed have some political relevance.

It'll be interesting to see if she modifies her views, seeing as abstinence only programs seem to have some notable failures.

Looking at teen pregnancy/unwed mother/abortion rates, it would seem that all "sex education" programs have had notable failures.

As we as a society continue to sexualize younger and younger girls, live throught the results of the "Me" generation having kids (includes myself, BTW, 1962), and frankly refuse to discuss "right" and "wrong" because we want the kids to "feel good about themselves", we will continue to have these problems, lectures, training, and education notwithstanding.

326 calcajun  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:09am

re: #302 vapig

Actually, I think their attitude and actions since the discovery of their child's pregnancy speaks volumns about them as parents and human beings. They have wrapped their arms around her with love and support and are standing by her. Nothing is being said about this being a "mistake." Just that she is pregnant, will keep the baby and will marry the father.

Now - if we see a shotgun at that wedding........

//

Could not agree more. But, the best attack the left could mount is that the Palins misused the resources of the Governor's office to hide the activity of their daughter. We also do not know who the dad is-whether he is a classmate or a married state trooper. The smart left will attack along these lines. Frankly, all of this should have been revealed on Friday to avoid the buzz-kill.

327 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:13am
328 soupy  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:23am

re: #192 Salem

I'm afraid this might be something of a momentum-buster. Too soon to be sure, though. The Dems ability to blow it can never be underestimated. But it doesn't help at all. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the evangelical influence (more like a strangle-hold) over the Republican party.


I belong to an evangelical congregation. I think that the most likely response will be disappointment that she became pregnant out of wedlock and approval that she is both not having an abortion, and marrying the father. Only a small number of fanatics will consider this a reason to oppose McCain/Palin and those are probably already opposed due to his moderate stance on many issues.

329 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:30am

re: #300 jordank

....the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents.

What the hell does 'creationism' have anything whatsoever to do with this situation?

What an idiot!

330 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:37am

re: #285 The Shadow Do

Picturing Sarah at the wedding, carrying a shotgun.

/kidding!

Varmint would draw Mrs Palin with a Kalashnikov on that one.

331 valkyrie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:42am

Right about now the Obama minions are researching how they should respond to this. I suggest they go check out the ratings history for Reba. From Wikipedia:

Reba set a new all-time viewership record for any program on the WB's Friday night (best-ever Friday in women 18-49).

This is what the American family looks like. We had a few unexpected blessings in my extended family. They are all grown up now and are the pride and joy of all of us.

332 esch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:11:48am

re: #282 Cognito

P.S.: How disgusting it will be, if the Democratic side uses this -- a very personal moment in the life of a 17-year-old girl -- to its own political ends.

If?

I will be shocked and amazed if the Obama campaign comes out on the side of grace and tact over this.

333 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:12:02am

As the father is supposed to be the head of the household in evangelical circles, and he is alleged to be a Democrat...

334 Cognito  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:12:18am

re: #295 Salem

YHGTBFK.

I give up -- what does that stand for?

335 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:12:22am
336 Anna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:12:44am

Here'is to Bristol and her White House baby shower. Slainte! May your child be blessed with charm, wit, and wisdom while bringing happiness to many people.

337 Vero  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:12:52am

The Palin family is doing the right thing - The act itself was a mistake, but the baby ( life) is never a mistake - My wife ( the ex-fence sitter since Palin became GOP VP nominee ) the die-hard Christian conservative just found out about it, and the first question she asked me was "is she keeping the baby?" That is all that matters to her - my guess is that that will be all that matters to all Christians/Conservatives who believe that life is not a mistake.

338 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:09am

Barry's dad was still maried to his first wife in Kenya when he married his mom, which made the marriage illegal.

These people are hypocrits of the highest order.

Shit happens, their getting married, this isn't Jamie Lynn spears.

If she was 6 months older would that have made a huge difference?

339 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:16am

re: #300 jordank

The hardcore religious zealots will do that. They always have. Religious zealots do not make up the majority of the Christian base in America. When they did reign it was very short as in during Prohibition. Most American Christians are moderates not zealots.

340 rwmofo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:30am

Teenagers having sex? I'm shocked.

341 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:31am

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

And if Obama is smart he'll bring that up to wish Bristol Palin all the best and dismiss the story. I hope he does that, it would be classy and show him as being able to relate to people who think differently from him.

You are correct. He should show some class...at this point, it would be cheap and effective.

342 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:31am

OT -- A new program teaching science to preschoolers on PBS:

A Young Scientist at Work to Inspire Kids’ Curiosity

343 jorline  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:44am

re: #334 Cognito

I give up -- what does that stand for?

You have got to be fing kidding

344 cblesz  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:53am

Oh, and may we have an update of the cash McCain has brought in?

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
Can we say $10 mill and counting...

345 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:13:59am

re: #334 Cognito

I give up -- what does that stand for?

I'm pretty good at deciphering personalized license plates, so I'll give it a go.....how about You Have Got To Be Fu@*&g Kidding?

346 middlecon  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:14:31am

Its funny some of the whackos are actually LET DOWN by this news...it disproves the previous faked pregnancy theory lol

Now for 99% of people who don't drudge through the muck of the internet its probably the first they have heard of any type of pregnancy controversy.

347 Gang of One  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:14:51am

re: #334 Cognito

I give up -- what does that stand for?


YHGTBFK
You have got to be fargin kidding ...

348 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:14:51am

re: #343 jorline

You have got to be fing kidding

Don't make fun of Cog...
/

349 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:14:53am

re: #300 jordank

I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

This fundamentalist doesn't care what she did. She did it and now faces the responsibility of raising a child. When my son came home and told us his girlfriend was pregnant I wasn't the least bit pleased. I also told him that it was a life sentence and that he would be taking care of that child for longer than he was alive. That sunk in.

As a former teenage boy, I can tell you that get in a quickie faster than you can say boo and that you can't watch your teens 24/7.

350 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:02am

re: #302 vapig


Now - if we see a shotgun at that wedding........

//

I'll assume that the Palin family, avid outdoors people and hunters that they are well documented to be, are planning on doing a little hunting after the ceremony.

351 perkypauly  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:10am

As Joe Welch said to McCarthy "Have you no decency"? This I now say to the media, leave the candidates children alone.

352 daddyo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:13am

If this young woman had secretly gotten an abortion, that would have been a conservatives are hypocrites scandal.

But she's having her baby, good for her, and it essentially renders this a non-story.

353 guiltfree  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:13am

From glee over another hurricane to glee over unwanted teenage pregnancy, you can always count on the Democrats for schadenfreude. The Democratic party is absolutely without grace.

I do admire the way that Sarah Palin is standing by her daughter publicly. The girl is probably very scared and humiliated. Hang in there, Bristol.

For their part, the Republicans' weakness seems to be a problem matching sexual behavior with sexual rhetoric. A goal of sexual abstinence is fine, except that so many apparently fall so short, and unwanted pregnancies are the consequence. That makes the pro-life stance practically problematic. Mr. McCain himself is flawed this respect, appearing in a film that celebrated obligation-free, worry-free sex, while not aggressively promoting contraception as part of his political platform. The outcome of such contradictory behavior can of course be unwanted pregnancy. The abstinence argument becomes weak when not taken seriously by both sexes.

354 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:21am

This is going to make Kos and the Dems in general look like the scum they are. And if the MSM doesn't leave it alone, it'll do the same thing for them.

The news is disappointing to me because this is all we're going to hear over the next few days. Endlessly, endlessly spun by both sides, and no one will be able to process anything else Palin has to say.

I do wonder though, about McCain. He must have more faith in the nation than I do. And I wonder if there were any other way to break this, but I guess not. In fact, this is the best possible way because it makes Kos and their MSM supporters look like the muckrakers they are.

355 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:23am

re: #158 semper Gumbi

The Palin family press release mentioned a boy named Levi.

My son-in-law's name is Levi ... his wifes name is Sarah.

If Bristol's Levi is anywhere near the quality person my son-in-law is, things will work out nicely.
and ... the odd coincidences do NOT end there.

356 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:40am

I wish I could wrap myself in comfy rationalizations. But I just can't bullshit myself like that. This is a palpable blow to McCain candidacy. Whether it's a fatal blow remains to be seen.

I have no reason to to be offended by 17-year-old pregnancies. But it's hardly an ideal. And the ideal is what Palin brought to this.

357 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:15:55am

re: #309 jaunte

"allowed her child to do this"
That's a stretch.

One helluva stretch.
Jordank's never raised a child through the teen years.

/betting the rent and grocery money on that

358 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:16:20am

re: #335 buzzsawmonkey

Palin's NRA membership will serve as the basis for a thousand "shotgun wedding" jokes, each doubtless more ghastly than the last.

FYI, among some of my Obamanoid friends, the mere fact that she unapologetically owns and uses guns places her beyond the civilized pale.

True dat.

I have had liberal "friends" who basically never had anything to say to me again after the subject came up.

And this is Texas.

359 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:16:21am

And a last thought:
we all saw the video of Sarah Palin's speech, and of her family behind her.
Did Bristol look unhappy, forced, stressed?
Or did she look like a girl, carrying and hugging Trig, just as if she was already 'learning' how it would be with her? Happy and warm?
You decide ...

360 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:16:35am

re: #269 Cognito

When the time comes for someone to take responsibility, that is the true judge of a person. Dobson knows that we all fall short. It's how we handle our responsibilities in life. Those who accept their responsibilities are those that have character.

361 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:16:44am

re: #356 Salem

I can't disagree with you more.

362 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:16:54am

re: #357 pre-Boomer Marine brat

One helluva stretch.
Jordank's never raised a child through the teen years.

/betting the rent and grocery money on that

Mine are getting locked up till they're 21!
/////

363 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:04am

re: #319 kcladderman

Hang out with a lot of creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents do you?

I believe that he is engaging in the Self Appointed Superior Being practice of Simply Assuming.

It's one of the ways one can tell that someone is a Self Appointed Superior Being.

364 ladycatnip  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:12am

#300 jordank

I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

I thoroughly disagree with you. This is the part people don't get about Christians. Grace and forgiveness abound to those who make mistakes. As far as gossip - it's expressly forbidden throughout scripture to indulge in that judgmental form of lifting oneself up while putting others down.

And for any who call themselves Christians that would indulge in this - check out the beam in your own eye before you pluck out the sliver in Palin & family.

365 Cognito  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:20am

re: #348 jcm

Don't make fun of Cog...
/

I'm an old man, apparently. Not great with sentences-as-acronyms.

Blame my lack of texting skills.

366 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:20am

If Palin's daughter becomes a prime target for the MSM, I think it is our duty to do what little we can to shield her and see that this becomes a non-issue. The daughter is not running for office and is going through a difficult time of her life. No matter how ridiculous or justified the attack, Palin is a legitimate target, she's an adult, she's a governor, she is the focus—leave the daughter alone.

367 jorline  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:38am

re: #348 jcm

Don't make fun of Cog...
/

LOL

368 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:42am

re: #348 jcm

Don't make fun of Cog...
/

Yup, it's not nice to pick on the mentally politically challenged... ;p

369 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:17:52am

Liberals have no freaking clue how many mothers and women will be able to identify with her because of this.

370 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:18:07am

they could have taken the liberal way out and secretly aborted the baby, would that have made people happier?

371 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:18:28am

re: #362 jcm

Mine are getting locked up till they're 21!
/////

Good luck with that.

/seriously ... mine's doin' great now, but WHEW!

372 Crimsonfisted  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:18:30am

This will not change my mind on her, or my vote for them.

373 jimc  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:18:35am

re: #300 jordank


I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.


You're a moron and "creationist-fundamentalist" squarely advertises your bias. The only thing that I was disappointed about with this story was how the moonbats would exploit it.

In fact, if anything this is a model family story in a time of difficult family situation and the Palin's handled it very admirably and boy wouldn't you know, I'm one of them there hickish backward uneducat'd anti-science creationist...again I say moron.

374 lostlakehiker  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:18:53am

"do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?"

Yes.

But seriously, "too busy"? If daughter is half as bright as Mom, there's no way Mom's gonna know. This sort of thing happened all the time before abortions took the place of quickly-scheduled weddings. It's not the perfect example of responsibility, but it's a far cry from gross irresponsibility. The child will, after all, be born into a family with man and wife.

375 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:19:06am

re: #371 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah, and I ignored the ////////

376 Jimash  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:19:28am

re: #302 vapig

Now - if we see a shotgun at that wedding........

//


They seem to have a sense of humor. Maybe they will ALL carry shotguns at the wedding !

377 angst  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:19:37am

re: #293 Carolyn

I am so f'n sick of politics.
Go to New Orleans? Not go to New Orleans?
Have a shit fit about a pregnant teenager?
Use anything to destroy?
Bastards.

No kidding.

Watch the press go beserk on this, then say "Gov. Palin has a family crisis and therefore cannot run the country."

Yeah, a crisis THEY created.

378 pegcity  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:20:27am

re: #374 lostlakehiker

i think nothing short of an iron chastity belt could solve teenagers from not having sex.

379 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:21:11am
380 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:21:33am

re: #371 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good luck with that.

/seriously ... mine's doin' great now, but WHEW!

LOL! I'll be asking for advice in a few years!

381 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:21:38am

re: #356 Salem

I wish I could wrap myself in comfy rationalizations. But I just can't bullshit myself like that. This is a palpable blow to McCain candidacy. Whether it's a fatal blow remains to be seen.

I have no reason to to be offended by 17-year-old pregnancies. But it's hardly an ideal. And the ideal is what Palin brought to this.

I disagree, what she brings is a good dose of middle America realism, achievement beyond expectations, and such. At least that is the source of my admiration, beyond the fact that she turns a nice ankle as it were.

382 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:21:39am

Hussein is about to say that Bristol is being "punished with a baby".

383 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:22:00am

re: #378 pegcity

i think nothing short of an iron chastity belt could solve teenagers from not having sex.

Nope, been tried, proved to be a failure. Nothing works, even the Muslim promise of killing the girl when found out doesnt stop it.

384 cthruu  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:22:31am

Obama: "If my daughters make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

Palin: "My daughter has been blessed with a baby and we will support her."

The statements speak for themselves.

385 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:22:48am

re: #174 Rancher

His Daddy was really committed though, marrying the mom while already married.

I'm getting a strong Morman hit off that story.

386 insanity police  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:04am

Not a big deal in this day and age.

But it's still a HUGE distraction, which is bad. I know some of you disagree.

387 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:24am

re: #300 jordank

Charles: This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

Right - so they'd rather have someone as POTUS who regards a baby as punishment, which needs, of course, to be aborted ...

Ridiculous!

388 jcm  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:29am

re: #384 cthruu

Obama: "If my daughters make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

Palin: "My daughter has been blessed with a baby and we will support her."

The statements speak for themselves.

That would be an ad!

389 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:33am

re: #384 cthruu

Obama: "If my daughters make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

Palin: "My daughter has been blessed with a baby and we will support her."

The statements speak for themselves.

Yup, and nothing could be more diametrical than their positions.

390 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:50am

re: #382 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

Hussein is about to say that Bristol is being "punished with a baby".

You know this is going to be an Campain ad by McCain/Palin.

"Barrack Obama says his daughter my be punished with a baby", "Sarah Palin does not think bringing up and starting a Family is Punishment"

391 Soccermom  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:54am

Why is this anyone's business? Have some concern for a 17-year old who isn't running for office, and has a right to her privacy.

I don't know how we can get rid of this gutter digging on the Internet. It gets worse and worse.

392 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:23:58am

Well hell this calls for a celebration...best wishes to Bristol, the new baby; along with, I'm sure, some very proud and excited Grandparents.

If the Obama camp what's to play 'pick-on the extended family game', they'd be wise to begin with their own lousy candidate - past, present and future.

393 Idle Drifter  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:24:15am

Clear evidence of a loving family is loving the child more than hating the sin. To which I appluade the Palins. After all we are only human.

394 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:24:48am

This is as mush of a non-issue as "Dick Cheney has a gay daughter". I remember John Edwards, of all people, tried to bring it up as "hypocricy".

395 pat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:25:14am

Last time I checked about 25% of brides were pregnant. That was a few years ago.

396 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:25:33am

re: #392 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Well hell this calls for a celebration...best wishes to Bristol, the new baby; along with, I'm sure, some very proud and excited Grandparents.

If the Obama camp what's to play 'pick-on the extended family game', they'd be wise to begin with their own lousy candidate - past, present and future.

My thoughts exactly....

397 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:25:42am

re: #388 jcm

That would be an ad!

JCM we think alike allot, that's a good thing.

398 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:26:07am

re: #192 Salem

I'm afraid this might be something of a momentum-buster. Too soon to be sure, though. The Dems ability to blow it can never be underestimated. But it doesn't help at all. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the evangelical influence (more like a strangle-hold) over the Republican party.

As far as I'm concerned, it will show us all the point on the circle where the left and right meet. I've never been able to prove exactly who those people were (with obvious exceptions, like KOS).
And McCain doesn't want the vote from either set.
+1, yet again, for McCain.
He started out as -3, he's now in positive territory.

399 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:26:33am

Best response to the pregnancy announcement is "How wonderful." And to the wedding? "My best wishes and congratulations to you and your families." Personally, I don't care if it happens during the campaign, or if the wedding is at One Observatory Circle. Though if it's at the latter, I hope I can throw rice. Nobody on this side of the aisle is riding on any great high horse, liberal straw man arguments to the contrary notwithstanding.

400 hooligan  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:26:56am

re: #300 jordank

I couldn't disagree more. I grew up and live as a member in Evangelical churches.
EVERY last one of those families has had someone in their extended family in this situation in one generation or another. Not to mention the love they have for their family members that happen to be gay. Most of these people don't march or judge, they know the way of the world and how its been for thousands of years. They deal, and they love. The few exceptions are seen by their peers as harsh and bitter.

I feel that God may use this to hold a big old mirror up to the uber-hypocritical liberals and I start that list off with Barack H. Obama.

401 alderson  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:27:06am

As a conservative evangelical I fail to understand why this will have any impact. I admit I don't hear much of what Dobson or other "far right" Christians say, but sharing much of their world-view I have a bit of an intuition on how they will react. They don't care, it will be endearing a tad, but otherwise it's a non-issue.

402 theheat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:27:37am

Is this the one that looked Rubenesque in the photo, where people were speculating Palin had birthed her daughter's son to cover-up the pregnancy? Well, I guess this puts that conspiracy theory to rest.

Sure, let's pretend abstinence is a realistic solution. Let's put our fingers in our ears and go lah-lah-lah-lah some more. G*d forbid anyone admits to having sex and actually uses contraception. Hell no, Fundies love babies - all babies - no matter how they were conceived, or what the outcome may be, even when a pregnancy could have been prevented.

Note to Fundies: preventing pregnancy prevents abortions. Part of that prevention plan is using contraceptives. It doesn't mean denying the facts of life, that sex - like sh*t - happens. It doesn't mean casual humping needs to lead to babies, particularly teen pregnancy.

I feel for the girl, I really do. It happens to the best of families. But this could have been prevented. Maybe if her mother spent as much time preaching contraception as preaching pro-life in every conceivable situation, her teenage daughter would have had better options. Something as simple as birth control pills probably would have prevented this.

Palin set my Fundie radar off from the get-go. This pretty much sealed the deal for me.

Nice going, McCain. Hope you're happy you just handed the Obama camp a ton of ammunition. Mom goes off to shoot caribou while daughter gets frisky... I can just imagine the jokes waiting in the wings.

Note to pro-lifer/abstinence believers: your vote counts just once. Now ask yourself, how many votes did this stunt lose?

403 dwigg  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:27:45am

re: #326 calcajun

Could not agree more. But, the best attack the left could mount is that the Palins misused the resources of the Governor's office to hide the activity of their daughter. We also do not know who the dad is-whether he is a classmate or a married state trooper. The smart left will attack along these lines. Frankly, all of this should have been revealed on Friday to avoid the buzz-kill.

Disagree. IMHO, this is solely the business of the daughter, her boyfriend, & the families. This is not the nations' business. Sure it was going to come out, but that does not make it any less than a private matter. I'll let the families choose how they handle this. So far, as much as we already know of their most private lives, they're handling things well. Couldn't ask for more & best wishes to them all! My nose will go elsewhere.

404 bingobill  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:28:12am

It's impressive that Palin took the VP nomination knowing that this would put her family in the crosshairs of the MSM crosshairs and she already knew this would come down the pike.
Gutsy.

405 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:28:45am

re: #388 jcm

That would be an ad!

Wait 24 hours.

406 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:28:45am

This is life as usual.

407 vapig  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:28:58am

re: #300 jordank

Charles: This comes right after James Dobson and other far-right Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter.

I will disagree with most people here and guess this will make them more cynical of Palin. I think this will make the religious right angry, because even though the girl kept the child and is now marrying, the fact remains that she had sex and is pregnant BEFORE she was married, and this is the key part that will shock the creationist-fundamentalist groups and parents. These folks will ask themselves "do I really want a woman in office who allowed her child to do this and was too busy with a career to notice it?" I have been to these types of churches, and I guarantee this Sunday it's gonna be the local gossip outside the chapel.

I'm an evangelical Christian and I feel you're talking a bunch of smack!

Personally, we don't judge nearly as much as some and we forgive more readily than others. I'm also getting tired of being told I won't vote for someone just because their daughter didn't follow the prefered order of things. She's doing the right thing now. Nuff said!

408 talon_262  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:00am

The thing that makes me sick about the left's response to this is not that they're gonna say that, by "letting" her daughter get pregnant, Gov. Palin is a "hypocrite", is somehow unfit to be VPOTUS, and that conservatives are gonna drop her like a hot potato because of it, but that they (along with the fellow travelers in the MSM and the nutroots) are gonna hammer Palin (and by extension, Bristol and the rest of the family) with this 24/7, hoping to put enough pressure on the family to get under Palin's skin enough to lessen her effectiveness.

As for me, Bristol Palin is old enough to have known better and I have no doubt, barring this indiscretion, that her folks raised her right, hence the plans to keep the baby and marry the father. Everyone makes mistakes at some point in their lives, some big and some small, but the measure of a person's character is what they do afterwards; in my opinion, this raises my estimation of Gov. Palin and her family, because it's pretty evident that they are making the best of the situation and doing it right.

409 Vikingstar  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:02am

I am an evangel---no, scratch that; I'm a ultra-right wing crazed Creationist "fundie", and after hearing this news, my reaction was that these people are people of substance and conviction who take responsibilty for their actions and do the right thing, like getting married and having the baby instead of treating it like it was disposable.
In other words...I like them more, and not less. I prefer people who have standards, and because we're all fallible sometimes don't live fully up to them, to people who have no standards (except the 'standard' of sneering at anyone who tries to live a consistantly good and moral life).

410 Rancher  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:17am

Someone had a link with the Obama logo used to spell Over. Can anyone help me find it?

411 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:28am

Protein Wisdom hits back hard at the goofy idiots on the left.

ouch. just keep scrolling.

[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

412 Sizzlack  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:28am

I'm a little late to the discussion...

But what is the deal with Kos treating this as like a Watergate level scandal. Her daughter is pregnant. Is this even really newsworthy? Why would this disqualify Palin? Why are the Kossacks screaming at each other that "this just keeps getting weirder"? What is weird, that giving birth is possible? And they keep saying "McCain knew...he knew". So what? He knew her daughter was pregnant? Doesn't that deserve a congratulations?

413 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:29:46am

re: #402 theheat

Your moral equivalency does not account for real life. Get off your high horse.

414 talon_262  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:30:08am

re: #402 theheat

Is this the one that looked Rubenesque in the photo, where people were speculating Palin had birthed her daughter's son to cover-up the pregnancy? Well, I guess this puts that conspiracy theory to rest.

Sure, let's pretend abstinence is a realistic solution. Let's put our fingers in our ears and go lah-lah-lah-lah some more. G*d forbid anyone admits to having sex and actually uses contraception. Hell no, Fundies love babies - all babies - no matter how they were conceived, or what the outcome may be, even when a pregnancy could have been prevented.

Note to Fundies: preventing pregnancy prevents abortions. Part of that prevention plan is using contraceptives. It doesn't mean denying the facts of life, that sex - like sh*t - happens. It doesn't mean casual humping needs to lead to babies, particularly teen pregnancy.

I feel for the girl, I really do. It happens to the best of families. But this could have been prevented. Maybe if her mother spent as much time preaching contraception as preaching pro-life in every conceivable situation, her teenage daughter would have had better options. Something as simple as birth control pills probably would have prevented this.

Palin set my Fundie radar off from the get-go. This pretty much sealed the deal for me.

Nice going, McCain. Hope you're happy you just handed the Obama camp a ton of ammunition. Mom goes off to shoot caribou while daughter gets frisky... I can just imagine the jokes waiting in the wings.

Note to pro-lifer/abstinence believers: your vote counts just once. Now ask yourself, how many votes did this stunt lose?

Man, you're a douche...

415 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:30:23am

re: #410 Rancher

Someone had a link with the Obama logo used to spell Over. Can anyone help me find it?

Over.

416 musicman  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:30:39am

Okay, here goes....

This is coming from a very conservative, Southern Baptist minister who believes in creation.....who just had a 20 year old son arrested for embezzlement.....charges were dropped after it made the paper......said son addressed the church yesterday morning....

You may have read in the paper that I was arrested for embezzlement, the charges were dropped and my record cleared after it was reported in the paper, Thank you.

The congregation applauded, and after church hugged my son and not another word has been said.

Bristol's pregnancy is a non-issue.

417 The Shadow Do  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:30:43am

re: #402 theheat

Nice going, McCain. Hope you're happy you just handed the Obama camp a ton of ammunition. Mom goes off to shoot caribou while daughter gets frisky... I can just imagine the jokes waiting in the wings.

Nice going heat. Hope you are able to overcome being a total maroon. Please hit us with some of your funny jokes. Waiting......

418 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:30:44am

Sorry if someone has already posted this:

A picture refutes a thousand nutcase conspiracies

419 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:31:26am
420 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:32:22am
421 lori lane  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:32:32am

re: #279 JSK1121


[Link: hundredpushups.com...]

Looks tough. Thx for the link. I just might try it! :)

422 HDrepub  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:32:37am

If I changed my mind and didn't vote for McCain on this account I would certainly be a hypocrite. My number two granddaughter was conceived before my youngest son and his wife's marriage, and I really didn't bat an eye over it. I told my wife this happens all the time and we would deal with it in our own way. They were a little older than Bristol Palin, actually old enough to know better as my daughter in law was in nursing school at the time LOL.

My son passed away however when she wasn't quite one year old, so he left me a legacy, and you should see her. A beautiful 13 year old blonde with the same blue eyes her father had, healthy, the star catcher on her school's girl softball team, with lots of friends. My son and daughter-in-law considered abortion, had an appointment but couldn't go through with it. I am certainly happy they didn't and am certainly thankful for her presence in my life.

423 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:32:39am

McCain, You magnificent Bastard!, This is a stroke of gut instinct and genius. Obama's campaign will burn their asses by attacking this issue.

424 hippieforlife  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:32:46am

re: #74 txcamper
I too am concerned for this young woman. Her family has known this for a few months and has at least had some private time to deal with how they choose.

I also think it is somewhat sad that Sarah Palin has to have a very private family moment smeared by media and lefty loons. She is no doubt thrilled to know she and her husband are going to be grandparents! My first grandson was conceived before his parents married and it did not change my love for him one little bit. He is the best gift I was ever given.

I am hoping that people will remain cool about this. Even Focus on the Family is not going to be totally judgemental. After all, people happen!

425 Optimizer  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:33:15am

re: #72 MandyManners

Karl Rove conjured up Gustav as a diversionary tactic so that when the news leaked, we'd all be focused on New Orleans.

YOU MAGNFICENT BASTARD!

Sorry, I have to disagree. I said it once before, I'll say it again. This was 100% McCain's call. So now it's:

McCAIN, YOU MAGNFICENT BASTARD!

Let's look at the strategic situation:
1) Most importantly, this country loves a soap opera. This adds to Palin's "rock star" status, and is one less reason for anybody to talk about Obama.
2) While one can debate whether this speaks ill of Palin's parenting skills, or whether her job has left her neglecting her family, the fact is she's running to be my Vice President, not to be my mother.
3) Situations like this are pretty commonplace these days (except, maybe, the "getting married" part). The whole idea that "McCain is out of touch" is totally busted! Palin is the only "regular person" that people can relate to, on either ticket.
4) Can Obama slam Palin for this, when his mother did the same thing (I hadn't heard that before, BTW)?

426 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:33:21am

re: #402 theheat

Note to pro-lifer/abstinence believers: your vote counts just once. Now ask yourself, how many votes did this stunt lose?

I seriously doubt it looses as much as one single vote. But what would I know, I just come from the same fundamentalist conservative Christian background as James Dobson. I believe in abstinence, but also believe in contraceptives. Go figure. I actually think Bristol is going to be just fine and a wonderful mother. Look who her family is...

427 Dianna  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:33:27am

re: #298 Irving

It is worth pointing out that Palin expressly advocates abstinence-only sex education programs - so yes, this story does indeed have some political relevance.

It'll be interesting to see if she modifies her views, seeing as abstinence only programs seem to have some notable failures.

And birth control doesn't? Honestly, it doesn't matter. Kids have sex, even when they know perfectly well they shouldn't. They get pregnant. It's what they decide to do afterwards that's the issue.

428 Salem  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:33:30am

My upright Christian 86-year-old war veteran dad sez he doesn't think this will be a big factor. So there's some small reassurance to me, however anecdotal.

429 jaunte  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:34:10am

It's interesting to note that part of this issue revolves around the idea of Palin 'controlling' her daughter. I haven't heard anyone yet say it's about Levi's parents 'controlling' him.

430 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 1, 2008 10:34:50am

re: #380 jcm

LOL! I'll be asking for advice in a few years!