Well, bless his heart!

her daughter is keeping the baby and getting married, doing the right thing is never easy

Wow. I can actually respect Dobson on this one.
Damn those Palins!

Overall, this really just demonstrates the Palin family's commitment to pro-life principles yet again. We'll see how much of a difference this makes.

Exactly in accordance with Evangelical Biblical doctrine, Just as I predicted.

OK but it ain't gonna sell on the left.

I expected nothing less from Dr. Dobson nor The Palins.

Well one Obama "hope" just flew out the window.

at least he gets it right.

I posted this on the previous thread. see Capt. Ed's take on this at Hot Air. Not very long and well worth the time

re: #6 itellu3times

OK but it ain't gonna sell on the left.

Fuck the left.

bbiab

Generally, I would not care what Dobson thinks, but he is right here.

OT Very early Gustav update. STILL HAVE POWER. Winds now at 50 , gusting to 65 MPH. You can feel the pressure of the winds on the walls of the house now. Major rain band getting ready to hit house in about 5 minutes

“The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a ‘hypocrite,’

The media shouldn't be analyzing anyone's behavior. Perhaps a good look in the mirror before anyone in the media calls someone a hypocrite.

Of course they're going to call them hypocrites. It's the only sin the Left recognizes.

Unless they commit it, of course. Then it's the right-wing smear machine going into overdrive.

re: #10 Bobblehead

I posted this on the previous thread. see Capt. Ed's take on this at Hot Air. Not very long and well worth the time

Yes, I remember the post on the kids college graduations.

Hopefully this will put an end to all the trolls posting about the hypocrisy of Christians on this board.

re: #11 MandyManners

Fuck the left.

OK but use protection or you'll have to marry them.

Wow ... what a busy holiday.

Heads are exploding everywhere.

re: #15 Dahveed

The media shouldn't be analyzing anyone's behavior. Perhaps a good look in the mirror before anyone in the media calls someone a hypocrite.

They can't see themselves in a mirror. Know what I mean?

re: #19 itellu3times

OK but use protection or you'll have to marry them.

EEK!

A common belief is that clergy are up tight and naive.

Does anyone really think Dobson doesn't know pregnant teens? There is a reason we need religion, we screw up.

Try shocking a priest in confessional. Good luck.

re: #14 saberry0530

OT Very early Gustav update. STILL HAVE POWER. Winds now at 50 , gusting to 65 MPH. You can feel the pressure of the winds on the walls of the house now. Major rain band getting ready to hit house in about 5 minutes

Hunker down!

re: #19 itellu3times

OK but use protection or you'll have to marry them.

Punished with a leftist baby.

re: #15 Dahveed

The media shouldn't be analyzing anyone's behavior. Perhaps a good look in the mirror before anyone in the media calls someone a hypocrite.

Ah, but that is the test...if there is no reflection in the mirror...then....

Christianity the real religion of peace not the fake one. Dobson's response is what I expected and hoped for.

re: #25 Rancher

Punished with a leftist baby.

Oh no!

Proof that the Palins not only talk the talk, but they walk the walk. What can liberals say about them that won't turn around to bite them in the ass?

Most non-Christian believe unmarried sex is a sin. It is not. Adultery is a sin. And ecclesiastical laws are satisfied by the intent to marry.

re: #25 Rancher

Punished with a leftist baby.

Babies are not born leftist. It is all due to parental & educational abuse.
Very sad.

re: #30 pat

Most non-Christian believe unmarried sex is a sin. It is not. Adultery is a sin. And ecclesiastical laws are satisfied by the intent to marry.

I tried that in high school. Never flew.

Later guys, I have some chores to do....

I am not a Christian, but I am always happy to meet real ones.

Well done.

Quite the difference between Obama's statement about being punished with a baby.

Why should it matter politically that Sarah Palin's daughter got pregnant out of wedlock when it hasn't mattered that Barak Obama's mother did?

re: #31 opnion

Babies are not born leftist. It is all due to parental & educational abuse.
Very sad.

LOL. Never thought of it that way.

Yes, being raised leftist is child abuse.

#37 Salamentia

Double standards...

There are only two things you need to know about this "event."

1. The left is very scared of Palin.

2. This family matter will have no effect on voters in November.

Behold the man with the elastic mind...

Alan Colme's credo... when you are in a hole, keep on digging.

Well, the Evangelicals are still with McCain and the base is still shored up.

re: #30 pat

Most non-Christian believe unmarried sex is a sin. It is not. Adultery is a sin. And ecclesiastical laws are satisfied by the intent to marry.

Fornication isn't a sin?

From the Alinsky rule book:

"Make the enemy live up to his/her own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

They'll try to make the Palin's out as hypocrites, but in fact they are putting Alinsky's rule to shame.

Also from the Alinsky rules:

"One of the criteria for picking the target is the target's vulnerability...."

Even if it is a seventeen year old girl. Pathetic.

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder. I notice the same fatuous, slackjawed look on so many leftists that I begin to wonder if there is some element in the genetic code that predisposes those who carry it to embrace that philosophy.

Great point!. I will be applying for a Federal grant to study the issue.
I need to determine if Leftism is genetic or taught.
My control group will of course be in Maui, & I will require research assistants.

re: #11 MandyManners

Fuck the left.

My sentiments exactly. And I would not have been as nice as you!

re: #38 markx

LOL. Never thought of it that way.

Yes, being raised leftist is child abuse.

indeed

The issue at hand is one given much attention in Evangelical Seminaries. The response should be pretty uniform for all Protestant .

re: #31 opnion

Babies are not born leftist.

Actually they are. They need to have someone else meet all their needs and if they don't get them all met they cry like hell. Also they are mostly emotionally driven, no logic at all. However as Churchill noted, most of us outgrow liberalism.

I missed Obama's comment on this - Did he recommend a partial birth abortion, or just keeping the option open?

re: #6 itellu3times

OK but it ain't gonna sell on the left.

Would anything?

re: #49 Rancher

Actually they are. They need to have someone else meet all their needs and if they don't get them all met they cry like hell. Also they are mostly emotionally driven, no logic at all. However as Churchill noted, most of us outgrow liberalism.

Only alittle, very little, over half of us it seems.

re: #43 MandyManners

Fornication isn't a sin?

It depends on what the meaning of is, is.

re: #6 itellu3times

OK but it ain't gonna sell on the left.

And how many of them were voting with us exactly?

re: #43 MandyManners

I guess some Christians thought that too, I did. Too late, I'm married.

re: #43 MandyManners

Fornication isn't a sin?

The sin is adultery.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Note that church cannons or laws make fornication punishable. But not God.

re: #11 MandyManners

Fuck the left.

Good, Lord, Mandy--No. They don't bathe and you'd only help them to breed. Let's show 'em how natural selection really works.

re: #18 twincitiesgirl

Hopefully this will put an end to all the trolls posting about the hypocrisy of Christians on this board.

Suggest you not waste any hope on that.

re: #49 Rancher

Actually they are. They need to have someone else meet all their needs and if they don't get them all met they cry like hell. Also they are mostly emotionally driven, no logic at all. However as Churchill noted, most of us outgrow liberalism.

Ah, so you are saying that the maturation process produces Conservatives.
Then it would follow that adult Liberals never grew up! I thought so.

re: #36 jaxgtr

Quite the difference between Obama's statement about being punished with a baby.

Like his mother was. Too bad too.

This is just the beginning, folks. It's only been 3 days since McCain's pick. It's going to be a long, ugly 60 days until the election.

Remember Clarence Thomas' "lynching"? (BTW, I highly recommend My Grandfather's Son) The left will not stand for a conservative woman as a VP either. She (and her family) is in for some rough times.

re: #43 MandyManners

Fornication isn't a sin?

Nope. Only outside of marriage. And yes, something that feels so good can be so very bad.

re: #55 Nevergiveup

OK but it ain't gonna sell on the left.

And how many of them were voting with us exactly?

Well, we'd like some.

All I really meant is that the left will rant about it anyway.

The ranting may actually hurt them, chase some undecideds towards McCain/Palin. But, rant they must.

re: #49 Rancher

Actually they are. They need to have someone else meet all their needs and if they don't get them all met they cry like hell. Also they are mostly emotionally driven, no logic at all. However as Churchill noted, most of us outgrow liberalism.

AMEN!

re: #60 opnion

Ah, so you are saying that the maturation process produces Conservatives.
Then it would follow that adult Liberals never grew up! I thought so.

Follow your instincts.

re: #60 opnion

Ah, so you are saying that the maturation process produces Conservatives.
Then it would follow that adult Liberals never grew up! I thought so.

Intellectually they never grow up!

re: #36 jaxgtr

Quite the difference between Obama's statement about being punished with a baby.

The shame is that he might believe that because that is what he was told and taught as a child.

re: #57 pat

The sin is adultery.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Note that church cannons or laws make fornication punishable. But not God.

The BIBLE says it's a sin. I don't follow Catholic stuff.

re: #67 Nevergiveup

Intellectually they never grow up!

Never, they just substitute society for their parents to blame.

Thirty million abortions in thirty years have resulted in thirty million illegal aliens.

One more American child being born into a family that will love and support it is not a bad thing.

re: #63 calcajun

Nope. Only outside of marriage. And yes, something that feels so good can be so very bad.

Tell me where the Bible approves sex before marriage.

re: #64 itellu3times

Well, we'd like some.

All I really meant is that the left will rant about it anyway.

The ranting may actually hurt them, chase some undecideds towards McCain/Palin. But, rant they must.

This is very dangerous for them to rant about. All sorts or people- liberals and conservatives- have come across this or similar situations in their lives. They are on dangerous ground.

re: #43 MandyManners

Fornication isn't a sin?

While I don't entirely agree with pat, fornication when mentioned in Bible is usually associated with repeated sexual activity outside marriage.

Even then the key is repentance and a return to fidelity.

In understanding the Bible marriage is a key to unlocking many things. God instituted marriage before the fall. It's the only think with that status. Marriage represents on earth visibly the relationship between Christians and God. Israel did well when the abided by the covenant, and not well when it was unfaithful to God.

While I believe any sex outside a marriage is a sin, it is different when the couple decides to get married, vs. either party messing around consistently.

re: #51 PETN Sandwich

I missed Obama's comment on this - Did he recommend a partial birth abortion, or just keeping the option open?

Here's what he said:

Jake Tapper: Governor Palin and her husband issued a statement today saying that their 17 year old daughter Bristol who is unmarried is 5 months pregnant. Do you have a comment?

BO: I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits, and people's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.

Obama's handlers have put out a strong memo on the possible exploitation of this. Good. This will not, however, stop a lot of innuendo over the next couple of months designed to chip away at her personae. Count on it.

They will try to paint her as a vacuous, hypocritical power seeker for which her poor family has paid dearly. Poor hubbie, poor daughter, etc etc.

Time Magazine, of all publications, actually has an excellent article on the issue (!): [Link: www.time.com...]

re: #72 MandyManners

It does not. I said outside marriage--meaning either during or before.

re: #71 rorschach

Thirty million abortions in thirty years have resulted in thirty million illegal aliens.

One more American child being born into a family that will love and support it is not a bad thing.

What does abortion have to do with illegal immigration?

Regarding the pregnancy of Sarah's Palin daughter, I found the following thing (the kind of thing that the leftist media don't talk about).

Taken from the Anchorage Daily News (August 6th, 2006):

"Palin said last month that no woman should have to choose between her career, education and her child. She is pro-contraception and said she's a member of a pro-woman but anti-abortion group called Feminists for Life."

[Link: www.adn.com...]

Well, that's encouraging, I guess. I wasn't sure what he'd say. I live in Dobson-town and I don't think much of him or Focus on Your Own the Family.

re: #36 jaxgtr

Quite the difference between Obama's statement about being punished with a baby.

True. Babies are never a punishment. They are a blessing. You can make mistakes, but being able to do the right thing to ammend your wrongs is what counts.

And it is sad that in some media liberals attack the Palins on this issue. It can only backfire on them

Oh, and by the way, Obama's mother was also pregnant of him by age 17. Was she also punished with a baby? I don't think so. But he seems to think that. He should clarify this.

The right says we tried, we failed, and we're sorry..

Meanwhile, the left calls that hypocrisy and apparently uses it as an excuse not to bother trying itself.

re: #72 MandyManners

Tell me where the Bible approves sex before marriage.

Well King David did have sex with Bathsheba outside of marriage, but as I remember from Hebrew school, G-D took a dim view of his actions. Otherwise it would have been David's Temple and Solomons!

This makes the governor's family closer to America. There are few families in the US who have not been faced with out of wedlock pregnancy at some time in their extended family tree. The proof is in how it is handled. Is life and family valued, or is convenience the watchword?

re: #71 rorschach

Thirty million abortions in thirty years have resulted in thirty million illegal aliens.

One more American child being born into a family that will love and support it is not a bad thing.

how does an ABORTED infant become an ILLEGAL alien?

re: #70 opnion

Never, they just substitute society for their parents to blame.

Exactly. This also explains Europe's animosity towards us. We are their protectors and it rankles like any teenager who likes to believe they need nobody, especially the stupid parents.

bbiab

re: #75 JustMyView

Obama's statement is just posturing. He himself has already thrown his own typical white grandmother under the bus so clearly he doesn't really believe what he is saying.

Gotta admit, the Palin family seems to walk the walk when it comes to pro-life...

re: #75 JustMyView

BHO is saying the right thing. I he has any control, he'll tell Kos and Arianna to monitor their sites and remove any such bull from their blogs. In other words, he has to do a little more than say it. Otherwise, we have the argument that he tacitly condones these attacks from these quarters.

oh no, theological debate. lets get intelligent design in here somewhere.

I know, lets do something less divisive like.........
.45 ACP sucks!

re: #51 PETN Sandwich

I missed Obama's comment on this - Did he recommend a partial birth abortion, or just keeping the option open?

He said he would study the "problem".

IMHO

Obama is probably happy his mother did not feel she was being punished with a baby out of wedlock. If not, then he's really retroactively suicidal which would be consistent with his strong support for terminating the life of the defenseless.

Sarah Palin had my full support before, and she has it just as much now. Period.

#80 MandyManners

re: #71 rorschach

Thirty million abortions in thirty years have resulted in thirty million illegal aliens.

One more American child being born into a family that will love and support it is not a bad thing.

What does abortion have to do with illegal immigration?

A serious lack of manpower is always the final justification for importing hordes of foreign workers. That's manpower that should not only be here already, but be having families of their own.

But they're not here. They're dead.

I'm just saying, one more live American baby is a good thing.

as an avowed, unabashed and unashamed atheist I have to say
KUDOS to Dobson
and the Palin's

and to all the posters who even say this is what some folks need religion for, fine

being able to deal with life crises is what being human is all about
no matter the sex, race, religion, etc.

if only the left could have some sane examples as Dobson, Palin, and LGF posters

The left would rather Bristol be forced to wear a scarlet 'A' on her chest, as that would support their nasty caricature of conservatives and Christians.

Seriously though, at 17, isn't she's too young to get married? How many marriages last today, when the woman is 17 and forced to marry? I know, how many marriages these days last any ways? LOL

re: #87 sattv4u2

Symmetry. For every one we have aborted, one comes in illegally. At least that's the surmise I came away with.

"That is what the Palins are doing, and they should be commended once again for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances." Where I come from, this is what we call 'walking the walk'.

My wife and I are raising our grandson. We would not have it any other way. We know some of what the Palins are going through. Let them live this in private. We offer no words of condemnation and every word of encouragement to the Palins and Bristol. A new life is entering the word and the family should encourage one another, and those with a critical word should butt out. It is none of their business. Sarah Palin still has my vote. The Democrats would do well to leave this alone, because this is not a problem that only Republican families face.

re: #72 MandyManners

Tell me where the Bible approves sex before marriage.

Something about temple whores? And doing your slave? Even while married?

/pretty Biblically ignorant.

#41 pianobuff

Behold the man with the elastic mind...

Alan Colme's credo... when you are in a hole, keep on digging.

The announcement of this pregnancy is being positioned as a way to knock down rumors that Bristol is the mother of Sarah Palin’s four-month-old child. It is being claimed that the McCain campaign knew about this before the VP announcement.

Colmes is digging himself all the way to hell.

re: #92 calcajun

BHO is saying the right thing. I he has any control, he'll tell Kos and Arianna to monitor their sites and remove any such bull from their blogs. In other words, he has to do a little more than say it. Otherwise, we have the argument that he tacitly condones these attacks from these quarters.

BHO will be perfectly happy letting Kos do the dirty work while appearing to keep his hands clean.

re: #93 spidly

.45 ACP sucks!

You get no argument from me about that.

re: #97 rorschach

I'm just saying, one more live American baby is a good thing.

Isn't the nationality going to be in question after Palin's junior hocky betting losses?

We fall down, we get up
We fall down, we get up
We fall down, we get up
And the saints are just the sinners
Who fall down, and get up!

Donnie McClurkin

re: #93 spidly

oh no, theological debate. lets get intelligent design in here somewhere.

I know, lets do something less divisive like.........
.45 ACP sucks!

Take that!
/ ;-)

re: #98 Adrenalyn

as an avowed, unabashed and unashamed atheist I have to say
KUDOS to Dobson
and the Palin's

and to all the posters who even say this is what some folks need religion for, fine

being able to deal with life crises is what being human is all about
no matter the sex, race, religion, etc.

if only the left could have some sane examples as Dobson, Palin, and LGF posters

As an evangelical Christian, I agree with you. Atheists and Christian can agree when the discussion is sane and cordial.

re: #106 BrianA

I tend to agree. It's nothing new - attacks by proxy.

Stop Global Warming Now!

Or all the Reese's will melt!

?LMAO just saw this commercial.

Bet on it that Palin will mention this somehow during her acceptance speech and the left will not like the loving reaction she gets from the delegates.

Three days into her being the running mate and I've never witnessed such a vicious assault on a candidate. When she shrugs it off, it'll further enrage the left.

They're going to hand her the keys to the VP residence in DC acting like this. Hopefully they set up a nice nursery for her grandchild.

re: #110 jcm

Take that!
/ ;-)

dude successfully killed a bunch of dirt a few meters in front of the target.

re: #80 MandyManners

Everything! We wiped out our people- have no one to do jobs- then they let this flood of slave workers in to do the work on the sly. They bring their culture and language and wipe out ours. We are destroying ourselves!

re: #75 JustMyView

re: #92 calcajun

CAL,, he's saying the right thing, but imbedded in that statement is another "above my pay scale" moment
he states, and I quote "how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn't be the topic of our politics"
Part of that statement IS correct (how FAMILY deals with issues,," put saying that the larger issue of teenage pregnancy isn't is incorrect. If there is no family structure, who pays for the mothers and childs care? GOV'T. So it IS a political issue

re: #115 spidly

dude successfully killed a bunch of dirt a few meters in front of the target.

LOL!
I'm a .40 guy myself.

OT: Sheppard and Geraldo want more death and destruction; they are pretty transparent in their desire for more human suffering.

re: #101 calcajun

Symmetry. For every one we have aborted, one comes in illegally. At least that's the surmise I came away with.

so if America had 30 million MORE people that were born here because they were not aborted we'd have 30 million LESS illegals !?!?!?!

HUH !?!?!WHA !?!?!?! New Math always got me !

re: #37 Salamantis

Apologies for the accidental downding. iPhone finger again.

re: #100 Mister Ghost

Seriously though, at 17, isn't she's too young to get married? How many marriages last today, when the woman is 17 and forced to marry? I know, how many marriages these days last any ways? LOL

How do you know she is being forced to marry?

#108 spidly

re: #97 rorschach

I'm just saying, one more live American baby is a good thing.

Isn't the nationality going to be in question after Palin's junior hocky betting losses?

Please explain. Hockey betting losses?

Dobson is still a homophobic @hole and I don't care what he says about anything.

Just a small comic aside. I am sure that when Bristol found out she was pregnant and the Palin family meet with the family of the father and they all decided to have the baby and wed, The boy's family felt -well OK so she is Governor and all so there will be some publicity.We can deal with local Alaska publicity. I mean it's not like we will have to answer to the whole world? Talk about a slight change of circumstances!

re: #114 JammieWearingFool

They're going to hand her the keys to the VP residence in DC acting like this. Hopefully they set up a nice nursery for her grandchild.

Yes, and the GOP can bring on the issue of opening daycare centers for kids in workplaces. Opening one in the White House would show how important is that employers help their employees to meet their responsabilities towards their families.

re: #119 jetpilot1101

OT: Sheppard and Geraldo want more death and destruction; they are pretty transparent in their desire for more human suffering.

Sounds like a Don Hendley song.

re: #111 jetpilot1101

indeed !

off to ride the hills

have a good Holiday !

I saw this on another thread. It's exactly as I would have expected. Good for him.

One silver lining is that the announcement of Palin has brought out some of the worst of the worst in the Obamanauts and they may have been so disgusting that they make Palin untouchable. In which case they'll have to talk about her policies, which are those of a reformer and an extremely popular governor.

They didn't want to go there. But now they're going to have to because every time they hit low it's going to reflect on The One.

Blessings on the new baby. He/she sure knows how to make an entrance!

re: #93 spidly

oh no, theological debate. lets get intelligent design in here somewhere.

I know, lets do something less divisive like.........
.45 ACP sucks!

Only if you're on the receiving end.

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Dobson is still a homophobic @hole and I don't care what he says about anything.

I don't think he is homophobic, just against homosexuality because it is a sin according to the Christian faith. I suspect Dobson loves the sinners but hates the sin.

re: #120 sattv4u2

so if America had 30 million MORE people that were born here because they were not aborted we'd have 30 million LESS illegals !?!?!?!

HUH !?!?!WHA !?!?!?! New Math always got me !

Something like that. I think the main implication here is that when a country stops breeding (see most of Western Europe) it needs to import labor that it could otherwise produce itself.

Got it now?

re: #114 JammieWearingFool

Bet on it that Palin will mention this somehow during her acceptance speech and the left will not like the loving reaction she gets from the delegates.

If we have a convention.

Three days into her being the running mate and I've never witnessed such a vicious assault on a candidate. When she shrugs it off, it'll further enrage the left.

They are running their Presidential candidtate against our Vice Presidential candidate. You have to love this.

They're going to hand her the keys to the VP residence in DC acting like this. Hopefully they set up a nice nursery for her grandchild.

It's a done deal, poor Hillary.

re: #119 jetpilot1101

Shep does not-he's from the South and it broke his heart three years ago--it showed.

Gerardo, OTOH, is an old-time activist. True, he was genuinely pissed three years ago -as was I. But, his running around the Industrial Canal--running up to the top of the levee to see the whitecaps to get the footage for dramatic effect, is like the ninnies I've mentioned over the past few days--the ones who stand out in the storm, lean into the wind and show how powerful the storm is. He's in the class of people I want to see get hit by a flying stop sign.

re: #119 jetpilot1101

OT: Sheppard and Geraldo want more death and destruction; they are pretty transparent in their desire for more human suffering.

Dude, where's my dead bodies floating in the water!

I though Jerry Rivers was going to have a heart attack this morning when he saw a guy in the water. Turns out he had a vest on and apparently was lassoing a propane tank.

He was stunned the guy knew how to swim.

re: #123 rorschach

Please explain. Hockey betting losses?

couple few threads back. spinning conspiracy theories about Palin. one was that she lost the Aleutians betting on Junior Hockey

re: #6 itellu3times

OK but it ain't gonna sell on the left.

[Delete] the Left. And the Unicorn they rode in on too.

re: #120 sattv4u2

You need to check out your numbers- [Link: www.numbersusa.com...] Watch the videos- illegals are wiping out our natural resources, culture, way of life, ect.
Also see, [Link: www.projo.com...]

re: #137 The Other Les

I wouldn't [delete] the left with Saul Alinsky's unicorn.

re: #127 BrianA

Sounds like a Don Hendley song.

When it's all said and done with
We haven't told you a thing
Cause we all know that Crap IS King
Give us Dirty Laundry

re: #132 jsk1121

Something like that. I think the main implication here is that when a country stops breeding (see most of Western Europe) it needs to import labor that it could otherwise produce itself.

Got it now?

I ALWAYS "got it". Doesn't mean it's not a stupid comment. We have more than enough people to do the jobs. Always have. What the illegals have done is keep the rate you pay unskilled labor down thereby keeping costs of some goods down.

I'm no McCain fan but I have to say I may have underestimated his character in that he knew about this and chose her anyway. As a woman, I'm very impressed.

OT

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As a nonbeliever, it is nice to have Dobson on my side. Thank you Reverend!

As long as her parents help her, teach her, and support her...why shouldn't young Bristol do all right? New mothers in our society suffer horribly from isolation. Everybody expects you to do it on your own, to be strong enough somehow alone. This is not realistic and frankly it's not natural. Extended families are (IMO) the norm for human society, and babies really are ideally raised by *many* loving people when possible, and not merely the loving parents. Grannies and aunties used to perform a very real service in the extended family. Most families don't have them today.

I have a lot of problems with "modern socialization", beginning with the idea that it is appropriate and good to segregate children by age for 12 years of their life, AND to keep them away from their families for most of every day for most of their growing-up years. When those children run into adult-level problems....Who will help them? Not their schoolmates. Their schoolmates are no older or wiser. Who will guide them? Will they even turn to their parents, or have they been conditioned for over a decade by their peers to believe that parents are embarrassing and restrictive?

It looks to me like young Bristol feels safe turning to her family, and that says a hell of a lot to me. They are also going to support her, and that says even more to me. I applaud her, and them.

re: #136 spidly

couple few threads back. spinning conspiracy theories about Palin. one was that she lost the Aleutians betting on Junior Hockey

She should have listened to her woman's Inuition.

re: #74 jcm

licentious behavior is condemned by Jesus. But i was talking in the context of the present case

re: #134 calcajun

If it did break his heart, he needs to temper his reporting. Based on what I am hearing he sure sounds like he wants more mayhem. I hope it's just the emotion of the moment and I'm misreading his tone.

Geraldo just wants TV and he's not getting the death he planned on.

re: #137 The Other Les

[Delete] the Left. And the Unicorn they rode in on too.

I think unicorns are out of favor with the left with its huge phallus and all

re: #11 MandyManners

Fuck the left.

Not in my most desperate moments would I debase myself to that level. Ick.. Fucking the Left...Plus, they smell bad, don't bathe, and can't hold an intelligent conversation!

re: #148 jetpilot1101

The way he acts, looks like he's planning on his own.

"What kind of mother raises a daughter that gets pregnant at 17 outside of wedlock?"

"The kind of mother that raised Barack Obama?"

Commenter Jane at Just One Minute... Hat tip: Larwyn

re: #144 Red Wolverine

As a nonbeliever, it is nice to have Dobson on my side. Thank you Reverend!

Just a clarification.... he's not a reverend.

While Louisiana is dropping sandbags to prevent flooding from hurricane Gustav, protesters at the RNC are dropping sandbags on buses from overpasses.

Dobson's comment is about as classy and Christian a statement as I've seen.

In honour of Palin's son Trig, we over at Ace's have devised new ways to deliver spittle-flecked exclamations -

zomg!1cos2pi
axomg!1(sin^2 x+cos^2 x)
w teh ph!1(Exp(i*pi))

re: #152 directorblue

Commenter Jane at Just One Minute... Hat tip: Larwyn

You should have said - a typical white mother.

Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

You can only commit fornication before marriage. It was permissible to "divorce" or end an engagement due to fornication. A great example of this is when Joseph considered leaving Mary, it was because they were engaged and he assumed she had had sex before they were married.

re: #23 jones

A common belief is that clergy are up tight and naive.

Does anyone really think Dobson doesn't know pregnant teens? There is a reason we need religion, we screw up.

Try shocking a priest in confessional. Good luck.

[Link: www.classicallypositive.net...]

re: #144 Red Wolverine

OOPS I wrote that, not Red. I'm using his computer. He is a believer....lol.

re: #148 jetpilot1101

Geraldo just wants TV and he's not getting the death he planned on.

speaking of huge phalli

Not to go off topic, but the RNC looks to be much classier that the DNC....the stage is simple and not set above the crowds like some altar.

It looks much more intimate.

re: #41 pianobuff

I'm one of those nasty people who wrote to Fox news about Colmes blog post. Nice to see him squirming.

re: #138 LEGION

you really have to pay more attention to who posted what, and who responded to that. MY comment was a question as to #71's claim that if America did NOT abort 30 million, there would be 30 million less illegals. By YOUR post, those same "natural resources" would have been used by the 30 million LEGALS. As far as "wiping out our culture", I don't recall my Grandparents coming from Ireland, Italy and Sicily "wiping out our culture". (as well as the Gremans, Poles, Spanish ,, etc etc ) They ENHANCED it

re: #154 kingkenrod

While Louisiana is dropping sandbags to prevent flooding from hurricane Gustav, protesters at the RNC are dropping sandbags on buses from overpasses.

Oh dear. That's is so dangerous. Criminals!

oops, forgot the minus sign in w teh ph!1(-Exp(i*pi))

PIMF!1 lim x->0 sinx/x

re: #153 markx

Just a clarification.... he's not a reverend.

Yeah, I realize that, and I wrote it. Not red. I was using his computer. Sorry to Red.

re: #161 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

'cause not many of us are left. /

How's things this day. Looks like you managed to keep power on.

OT: Moonbats getting violent in St. Paul.

Good for Dobson. And I see no hypocrisy from Sarah Palin. But even if I did, remember that hypocrisy itself is only deemed an unforgivable sin , in fact the only unforgivable sin, by the moral relativists of the left. They who, with no particular belief in right or wrong, can only satisfy their lust to censure by condemning the mathematical differences between what people say and what they do. And thus making no personal judgments on standards of behavior, but only on the fact that peoples' words and actions are not always the same. Which is the human condition.

re: #126 Mordecai

Yes, and the GOP can bring on the issue of opening daycare centers for kids in workplaces. Opening one in the White House would show how important is that employers help their employees to meet their responsabilities towards their families.

How is the GOP getting involved in an employee's family life any different from what is happening to Palin right now? It's the parents' responsibility, not the employers, and the GOP (and everybody else) should stay the hell out of it.

re: #168 BrianA

OT: Moonbats getting violent in St. Paul.

link?

re: #168 BrianA

OT: Moonbats getting violent in St. Paul.

But they had the peace duck with them!

re: #155 zimriel

Please to decode your post for those of us from Rio Linda.

re: #171 spidly

link?

Turn on Fox, they just had a report about how the Anarchists are stirring up trouble. The good news is, they expected 50,000 and got a fraction of that. They must have spent al their allowance money and couldn't afford to bus ticket to St. Paul.

What kind of insanity drives those people to drop sandbags from overpasses.

Stupid question, I know.

re: #171 spidly

Shep reporting on FOX.

re: #167 calcajun

'cause not many of us are left. /

How's things this day. Looks like you managed to keep power on.

Well, I'm in Houston and have been since 98...we do have a housefull, however. My kids are having a blast playing with their 2nd cousins!

Their parents and I (all my 1st cousins) are having a ball reminiscing and cooking, eating and drinking.

James Dobson: "I Cannot And I Will Not" Vote McCain

He's an ass.

re: #172 jcm

But they had the peace duck with them!

Just poop!

re: #168 BrianA

OT: Moonbats getting violent in St. Paul.

I hope no one gets hurt.

(On our side)

It's not just the Palins - it's also the McCains. As I recall, when Cindy decided to bring Bridget home, she didn't even BOTHER to discuss it w/John. It was a done deal as far as she was concerned and John first learned of it when he picked them up at the airport. And he embraced that baby too.

re: #93 spidly

oh no, theological debate. lets get intelligent design in here somewhere.

I know, lets do something less divisive like.........
.45 ACP sucks!

No it doesn't.

I actually found them easier to fire than the 9mm caliber weapons.

re: #175 Bobblehead

Must be related to the delusion that chanting "What do we want! When do we want it!" repetitively is going to change anything.

re: #152 directorblue

Commenter Jane at Just One Minute... Hat tip: Larwyn

My favorite:

Teen pregnancy (among girls) is not infrequently a form of rebellion, with causes that are often only dimly understood, if at all.

Dude, it's caused by teenagers fucking.

re: #170 christheprofessor

Who needs daycare? Just take your kid to work.

re: #178 Killgore Trout

James Dobson: "I Cannot And I Will Not" Vote McCain

He's an ass.

He never should have used the term "will not" in that statement. He does look like a fool as he no plans on voting for McCain with his new VP pick.

me and dr dobson don't agree on a lot of things (oh, man if he saw my pronz collection lol) but getting hitched =GOOD-TASTIC

Wow, Jimmy Dobson is occassionally right!  Good on him for this instance.

}:)     ["Two Mommies is One Too Many."]

re: #75 JustMyView

Very high road and noble. Meanwhile his msm lackies and bloggers are picking up the slack. The Obama also knows better than to touch this hot potato given the 70% out of wedlock birthrate in the black community.Most often without the benefit of a cohesive, supportive family in the picture. Nice try.

Evangelicals have sex before they get married, sometimes.

Whoda thunkit?

re: #185 Rancher

Who needs daycare? Just take your kid to work.

Good training Trig Palin '52!

re: #175 Bobblehead

Irresponsible fuckheads that have absolutely ZERO regard for anyone but themselves, nor do they have respect for property. They align themselves with the Leftards - they need to whine and seethe as much as possible. Meanwhile, the Republicans continue to demonstrate to Americans precisely WHO is the adults that are able to lead, no matter what; and who are the whiny, shitty, spoiled little rat bastards.

Dobson changing his mind? I'll take that vote.

How many thousands (millions?) of others are doing likewise? I'll take those votes.

re: #185 Rancher

Who needs daycare? Just take your kid to work.

Heh.

unfortunately I have soaps polluting the TV's. yippee.

re: #177 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

That's the way today should be. Listen to me. I'm in the office working.

Ya'll having crawfish, BBQ or just burgers n' dogs?

Sarah Palin and her family are practicing what they preach. Well said by Dr. Dobson. A stark contrast is being drawn between the two campaigns. One sees this occurrence as a blessing, the other as a "punishment".

re: #11 MandyManners

Fuck the left.

I think I'll pass, thanks.

re: #184 MandyManners

Dude, it's caused by teenagers fucking.

To the point! Something 'ol PC Lefty does not grasp. Nuances, and all that!

OT: Oil dropped to $111 a barrel. I guess the economy isn't as bad as the dems wanted us to believe it was after their endless parade of human debris last week.

re: #194 christheprofessor

Heh.

Nice picture.

I had a child out of wedlock in my 30's...this after choosing an abortion at 18.

I still feel grief and guilt over the decision I made as a young girl.

As the mother of two girls, one in puberty and one approaching puberty, I am very open with them about their bodies, sex and the potential result of sex.

I cannot control what they do in the heat of the moment, when they are not under my roof...but I would never encourage them to make the same painful mistake I made if one of them were to become pregnant.

I admire the Palin family. I wish that I could have gone to my mother when I was 18 and frightened, maybe my path would have been different.

re: #154 kingkenrod

While Louisiana is dropping sandbags to prevent flooding from hurricane Gustav, protesters at the RNC are dropping sandbags on buses from overpasses.

Frakking Brownshirts...

re: #186 jetpilot1101

He never should have used the term "will not" in that statement. He does look like a fool as he no plans on voting for McCain with his new VP pick.

That's not what he said on Friday. He's on board for McCain now.

I don'y see how having the fact of her daughter being pregnant makes Sara Palin a hypocrite.

The hypocrite would be any "progressive", who would try to use this against Palin. And they will be hypocrite on 2 count: first, the obvious one, because they believe in abortion and have no clue about the situation Palin is in; second, they do not believe that mothers have right of decision in such situation and leave it to social workers to solve this "problem", so for them blaming the mother is not only hypocritical, but also backfiring. If they believe its mother's responsibility they should fight against right for the underage girls to get help from the social services secretly from the family.

This is way off topic, but did anyone notice that when Sarah came out on the stage Friday, they were playing Van Halens 'Right Now', her young son Trigs name is Trig (something) VAN PALIN? And when they left the stage, they were playing the same song again. Wonder if Sarah and Todd are Van Halen fans? Could be...just wondering...

And I agree, that this whole Bristol/Baby thing just makes me admire her more. I finally have a reason to vote FOR McCain, and not against BO. Tho, after the saddleback deal, I was impressed enough to actually start thinking favorably about him.

re: #194 christheprofessor

Is that a recent picture of the Pup?

Take your kid to work, indeed.

[Link: commons.wikimedia.org...]

Here's a pic of the first team doing just that. Why couldn't the back-up?

re: #196 calcajun

That's the way today should be. Listen to me. I'm in the office working.

Ya'll having crawfish, BBQ or just burgers n' dogs?

BBQ and a catfish fry...they emptied their freezers before coming here. Ain't nothin as great a fresh caught fish.

I'm in heaven!

What's wrong with Young Love?

re: #206 mamashawna

This is way off topic, but did anyone notice that when Sarah came out on the stage Friday, they were playing Van Halens 'Right Now', her young son Trigs name is Trig (something) VAN PALIN? And when they left the stage, they were playing the same song again. Wonder if Sarah and Todd are Van Halen fans? Could be...just wondering...

And I agree, that this whole Bristol/Baby thing just makes me admire her more. I finally have a reason to vote FOR McCain, and not against BO. Tho, after the saddleback deal, I was impressed enough to actually start thinking favorably about him.

Saddleback impressed me too....I was rather dreading voting for him prior to that.

re: #209 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I am so jealous. We can't get crawfish out here--not decent ones anyway.

Enjoy.

re: #184 MandyManners

I've seen and known allot of these girls and they want a baby. Especially if their friends have had one. I suspect this is a strong biological urge that once society said you don't need a Daddy became very attractive to young girls.

After watching my fourteenth straight episode of That 70's Show today, I realized something: Daily Kos is the Kelso of the internet.

re: #210 2SoonOld2LateSmart

What's wrong with Young Love?

it turns into old animosity

[Link: www.crainium.net...]

re: #207 Bobblehead

Is that a recent picture of the Pup?

Yes, took that a couple of weeks ago as she took a break from swimming. If you look closely, you can see that she is sitting on a park bench...

re: #205 norar

I don'y see how having the fact of her daughter being pregnant makes Sara Palin a hypocrite.

The hypocrite would be any "progressive", who would try to use this against Palin. And they will be hypocrite on 2 count: first, the obvious one, because they believe in abortion and have no clue about the situation Palin is in; second, they do not believe that mothers have right of decision in such situation and leave it to social workers to solve this "problem", so for them blaming the mother is not only hypocritical, but also backfiring. If they believe its mother's responsibility they should fight against right for the underage girls to get help from the social services secretly from the family.

"Progressives" love to point the finger at the shortcomings of conservatives to validate their pathetic positions and behavior.

re: #204 calcajun

That's not what he said on Friday. He's on board for McCain now.

PIMF - I meant he NOW plans on voting for McCain.

re: #200 jetpilot1101

OT: Oil dropped to $111 a barrel. I guess the economy isn't as bad as the dems wanted us to believe it was after their endless parade of human debris last week.

won't work. The left will counter "Well when Clinton was in charge it was $60 a barrell"

Hard to spin how this is helpful to the McCain camp.

If the left thinks that Bristol being pregnant will deter the right from voting for her mother (and that old guy) they really are farther out of touch than I thought. The conservative movement is based on allowing people to make their own choices. Unfortunately, this results in human beings making the occasional bad choice, or, not-so-great-choice. The pregnancy is unfortunate, but the family seems to be handling it well. More importantly, they have the opportunity to make more choices as to how this will turn out for the innocent baby. Conservatism always has taken the possibility of human fallibility into account. Rather than dictate how people should live their lives, like modern day progressivism does, conservatism say 'OK, balls in your court, make more choices' and it hopes for the best.

I feel bad for her and her parents, this may be a very tough time for them, but not having sat at their table and discussed this, I don't know. All I know is this ads to the she-is-one-of-us feeling I get from Sarah Palin. I bet this doesn't hurt McCain/Palin at all.

re: #214 kevinmumaw

After watching my fourteenth straight episode of That 70's Show today, I realized something: Daily Kos is the Kelso of the internet.

you on some sort of punishment?

re: #218 jetpilot1101

Thanks. I thought he had done another 180.

Dobson said it very well, indeed, didn't he?

re: #214 kevinmumaw

After watching my fourteenth straight episode of That 70's Show

Dude, if you're into pain, I know some people who know a lady... /(major sarc)

I could only watch several episodes of "That 70s SHow" before I realized my IQ was lowering...

re: #219 sattv4u2

won't work. The left will counter "Well when Clinton was in charge it was $60 a barrell"

remember, we're in a recession too even though growth was 3.3% in the 2nd quarter. they will reject the world's reality and substitute their own.

re: #215 sattv4u2

it turns into old animosity

[Link: www.crainium.net...]

Almost there, brother.

The preacher man said something about "until death do you part" and "for better or worse".

/married 42 years, more better than worse, not dead yet.

How 'bout that liberal tolerance eh?

re: #227 spidly

remember, we're in a recession too even though growth was 3.3% in the 2nd quarter. they will reject the world's reality and substitute their own.

It's a recession if it feels like it....

re: #227 spidly

remember, we're in a recession too even though growth was 3.3% in the 2nd quarter. they will reject the world's reality and substitute their own.

not to mention 6+ years of UNDER 6% unemployment (when every economist has said through the years that 5% is considered "full employemnet" because you'll always have people that either don't/ can't work or are in transition)

re: #206 mamashawna

This is way off topic, but did anyone notice that when Sarah came out on the stage Friday, they were playing Van Halens 'Right Now',

Thx for posting this! I had no idea which song that was, and I thought it very fitting & exciting for the atmosphere! :)

I'm all alone today, so I'm making a meal of all my favorites... babyback ribs, fresh green beans, corn on the cob, homemade baked beans with plenty of onions, bacon and brown surgar, and sliced beefstake tomatos with basil, fresh mozerella and a homemade vinaigrette.

Homemade ice cream with fresh raspberries, for dessert :).

re: #40 Meremortal

I think that is incorrect. It will BRING votes to the McCain Palin ticket. People know they aren't seeing do as I say not as I do.

re: #73 Nevergiveup

This is very dangerous for them to rant about. All sorts or people- liberals and conservatives- have come across this or similar situations in their lives. They are on dangerous ground.

Like Obama his own self!

re: #233 Irish Rose

I'm all alone today, so I'm making a meal of all my favorites... babyback ribs, fresh green beans, corn on the cob, homemade baked beans with plenty of onions, bacon and brown surgar, and sliced beefstake tomatos with basil, fresh mozerella and a homemade vinaigrette.

Homemade ice cream with fresh raspberries, for dessert :).

you won't be all alone for long. i'll bring my own fork !

re: #222 sattv4u2

Nah, I kinda like the show. Plus, I did some walking through Raven Rock yesterday and twisted a knee, so the couch is my friend today.

re: #231 sattv4u2

"frictional unemployment" if I rememnber correctly

re: #238 spidly

"frictional unemployment" if I rememnber correctly

Give that man a Kewpie Doll

re: #230 EIDE_Interface

It's a recession if it feels like it....

it's a recession if you repeat it enough... somewhere between Dorothy and Goebbels.

There's no place like recession, there's no place like recession

re: #239 sattv4u2

Give that man a Kewpie Doll

for my spelling of remember? I deserve an A because I tried

re: #241 spidly

for my spelling of remember? I deserve an A because I tried

lukked korekt tew me

re: #240 spidly

it's a recession if you repeat it enough... somewhere between Dorothy and Goebbels.

There's no place like recession, there's no place like recession

Well people feel like they're worse off even if they haven't lose their jobs. Mostly their own fault for getting so leveraged in debts(credit, auto loans, subprime/IO mortgages, etc...) But what politician has the cojones to tell the American people that they are the cause of their own misery?

re: #243 EIDE_Interface

Well people feel like they're worse off even if they haven't lose their jobs. Mostly their own fault for getting so leveraged in debts(credit, auto loans, subprime/IO mortgages, etc...) But what politician has the cojones to tell the American people that they are the cause of their own misery?

re: #243 EIDE_Interface

Well people feel like they're worse off even if they haven't lose their jobs. Mostly their own fault for getting so leveraged in debts(credit, auto loans, subprime/IO mortgages, etc...) But what politician has the cojones to tell the American people that they are the cause of their own misery?

Phil Gramm

re: #245 sattv4u2

Phil Gramm

Yeah and he cost himself any chance at a cabinet position with that reckless statement...

re: #246 EIDE_Interface

Yeah and he cost himself any chance at a cabinet position with that reckless statement...

Won;t stop Mccain from putting him the cabinet. it WILL stop Gramm fro making public appearances before the election

re: #87 sattv4u2

how does an ABORTED infant become an ILLEGAL alien?

Quit being childish. Every child murdered in the womb is one who will not be a productive member of our society. Those vacancies in our societial web are telling. Every child born contributes to the national labor pool and the wealth of our nation. They enable us to eventually retire and as they mature fill our shoes. When there is no one to take that place, it creates a gap into which the illegals can step. Our nation continues to grow. As we develop wealth, we create jobs. When there is no one to fill those jobs, or at least willing, those of lesser morals will use it as an excuse to allow some one of dubious origions to take the slot.

re: #247 sattv4u2

Won;t stop Mccain from putting him the cabinet. it WILL stop Gramm fro making public appearances before the election

It's a shame that you can't tell the truth to the people in a democracy. Bread and circuses...

re: #248 JeremyR

SUGGESTION,,,,never start a debate with an ad hominum (Quit being childish.) It'll get you ignored REAL fast

2nd, continue down thread and read my #141 and 163

re: #220 EIDE_Interface

Hard to spin how this is helpful hurtful to the McCain camp.

Fixed

And here I was thinking that Dobson would be recommending a big, Red "A" be worn... go figure.

/sarcasm... (as if it's necessary to write it)

Superb statement.

The way the Palins are handling this makes me like Gov. Palin even more.

I have a bit of a personal stake in this, you see. My birth mother was unmarried and 17 years old.

re: #253 Catttt

Superb statement.

The way the Palins are handling this makes me like Gov. Palin even more.

I have a bit of a personal stake in this, you see. My birth mother was unmarried and 17 years old.

And we Evangelicals didn't stone her to death? How'd she get out of that one?

/overt sarc now...

re: #57 pat

The sin is adultery.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Note that church cannons or laws make fornication punishable. But not God.

Fornicators and adulterers God will judge. The Epistle to the Hebrews 13: 4

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, [...] will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. The First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians 6: 9-11 (He goes on in the next verses to explain how such people can inherit the kingdom of God.)

re: #255 David IV of Georgia

Fornicators and adulterers God will judge. The Epistle to the Hebrews 13: 4

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, [...] will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. The First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians 6: 9-11 (He goes on in the next verses to explain how such people can inherit the kingdom of God.)

Her boyfriend was married? Please elaborate on this new information that you have?

re: #255 David IV of Georgia

That's ok. If I were offered a spot in Christian heaven I'd have to turn it down as a matter of principle anyways. I don't patronize businesses that discriminate on the basis of religion or sexual orientation and I would patronize an eternal heaven that commits the same crime.

re: #256 Noam Chumpski

Ignore my post... I was reading too fast.

re: #257 Killgore Trout

That's ok. If I were offered a spot in Christian heaven I'd have to turn it down as a matter of principle anyways. I don't patronize businesses that discriminate on the basis of religion or sexual orientation and I would patronize an eternal heaven that commits the same crime.

The New Testament Christian God is a lot more thoughtful and forgiving than some of these posters would have you believe.

Just heard on CNN ... They showed a picture of Bristol holding Trig and said, she was hiding a secret. Good grief, these people make me sick.

re: #259 Noam Chumpski

The New Testament Christian God is a lot more thoughtful and forgiving than some of these posters would have you believe.

true (although I sorta yearn for an Old Testament SMITING every now and then)

re: #259 Noam Chumpski

Possibly. If Ghandi, Buddha and Twain are hell in then I'll be proud to join them.

re: #261 sattv4u2

How IS the weather in Berkeley today? Any chance of locusts moving in?

Maybe a plague of boils?

Damn. Miss the smiting too.

re: #36 jaxgtr

I really hope someone in the media points that out. LOUDLY.