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Palin Has Not Pushed Creationism as Governor

Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:06:09 am PDT

One of the smears being circulated against Sarah Palin is that she is in favor of teaching creationism in public school science classes, but as I pointed out last week this simply isn’t true. Apparently, she has a rather confused attitude toward evolution (an attitude she shares with about 50% of the US population), but when asked explicitly whether she would support teaching the pseudo-science of “intelligent design,” her answer was “No.” And today even the Associated Press has to admit that Palin has not pushed creationism as governor.

And by the way, John McCain is also on the right side of this issue.

Palin said during her 2006 gubernatorial campaign that if she were elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum, or look for creationism advocates when she appointed board members.

At a GOP presidential debate in May 2007 in Simi Valley, Calif., McCain said he believed in evolution. “But,” he added, “I also believe, when I hike the Grand Canyon and see it at sunset, that the hand of God is there also.”

Palin’s children attend public schools and Palin has made no push to have creationism taught in them.

Neither have Palin’s socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska’s chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.

“She has basically ignored social issues, period,” said Gregg Erickson, an economist and columnist for the Alaska Budget Report.

UPDATE at 9/3/08 9:17:07 am:

On the other hand, another rising GOP star (who has signed a bill in Louisiana designed to sneak creationism into classrooms) has a much more problematic attitude: Questions for Bobby Jindal - The Convert.

Did you always want to be in politics? It was not something I anticipated doing. I always thought I’d go to medical school. I got accepted into medical school and did not end up going.

Where were you accepted? At Harvard.

Wow. Why would someone with so much knowledge of biology sign a bill allowing the biblical story of Creation to be taught in science class? I don’t think that schools should be run by bureaucrats. I think these decisions need to be made by local school boards. In terms of teaching my own kids at home, I do believe there is a Creator. Catholicism doesn’t teach authoritatively on evolution or the origins of life, but we do believe that God is our Creator.

There’s an interesting point here. The proponents of the Louisiana “academic freedom” stealth creationist bill have loudly insisted that it has nothing to do with the teaching of creationism—but when asked a direct question, Jindal doesn’t even deny it.

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1 Lively  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:07:06am

When will the madness end?

2 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:08:38am
At a GOP presidential debate in May 2007 in Simi Valley, Calif., McCain said he believed in evolution. “But,” he added, “I also believe, when I hike the Grand Canyon and see it at sunset, that the hand of God is there also.

I still fail to see any sort of reconciliation between these two beliefs, but I am at least glad that neither Palin nor McCain will push for teaching "ID-ism" in schools.

3 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:08:38am

re: #1 Lively

When will the madness end?

Never, when there are liberals involved.

4 joncelli  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:08:48am

It's throw-up-the-mud-and-see-what-sticks time. Has there been a media feeding frenzy like this in recent memory?

5 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:08:48am
...even the Associated Press has to admit that Palin has not pushed creationism as governor.

Bet they choked while doing it, too.

6 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:09:15am

re: #1 Lively

When will the madness end?

Nove 5 2008--maybe?

7 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:09:31am
Palin Has Not Pushed Creationism As Governor

Well, that's too bad, because it's the government's job to ensure that all schoolchildren know the correct religious truth.

KIDDING!

8 pbird  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:09:56am

This is the most fun I've had following politics ever...

Also, didn't Pres. Bush look great last night? He is still a happy man and will go back to Texas and be a happy guy with a life.

9 zombie  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:10:25am

OT:

I just got this following comment on my still-popular video from February showing Marine veterans arguing with a "hot-headed" liberal. I'm posting it here to show the deep deep racism that can be found on the left -- mind-boggling, in fact.

Neither I nor LGF endorses the sentiments of the following cited comment: it is only quoted here as a revolting example of left-wing racism. In the video, a light-skinned African-American veteran argues with a white liberal:

Look at the Halfrican Bush supporter, flashing gang signs at red head, jealous that Red has hair and his balding ass buzz cut gives him McSkin Cancer, but he is will to be camoflauged by his covert bandana, that blends in so well with the city streets? haha, Typical B2 supporter. Trained to kill, fresh from ghetto, plenty of war time pay to spend on cheap whores and crack once he gets back to his Hood. Good thing we all pay to train the Hood terrorists of the future....

My God, these moonbats are disgusting.

10 Vergeltung  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:10:37am

glad there's no issue here.

11 Vergeltung  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:11:18am

re: #8 pbird

This is the most fun I've had following politics ever...

Also, didn't Pres. Bush look great last night? He is still a happy man and will go back to Texas and be a happy guy with a life.

he's got a lovely, feminine, sexy, loving wife. what's not to like? :)

12 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:11:28am

re: #8 pbird

I agree - I disagree with the man on a couple of issues, but I am 1 of the 3 that still approve.

13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:11:31am

re: #7 Occasional Reader

Well, that's too bad, because it's the government's job to ensure that all schoolchildren know the correct religious truth.

KIDDING!

In case Mandy isn't around;

WHACK!

14 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:11:33am

re: #6 Nevergiveup

Nove 5 2008--maybe?

You mean the day the Repubicans steal the election?

/get ready for it, that meme is all warmed up and in the starting blocks

15 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:11:46am

"a confusion that she shares with about %50 of the US population"

You know, I have to credit Charles with even getting me to ponder this issue, because until I started reading the threads and various posts, I really did not give a darn about any of it, and I had no idea that ID was being used as a wedge issue in public education. Our lives are so full of a million other things.

16 Maximu§  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:12:12am

The good news keeps pouring in, this is a good week for us.

17 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:12:12am

re: #7 Occasional Reader

Well, that's too bad, because it's the government's job to ensure that all schoolchildren know the correct religious truth.

KIDDING!

That one needed the 'KIDDING' in this room.

Teach faith in church/synagogue/mosque, teach science in school. Easy as that. If the two don't reconcile in your mind, deal with it at home.

18 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:12:23am

I think that a lot of people have a confused attitude towards evolution and creationism because it brings up questions of faith, religion and science and how to reconcile them. Still, it is good to see that she realizes that the question of creationism - a religious concept at its heart - has no place in the science classroom.

19 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:12:37am
Neither have Palin’s socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska’s chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.

Alaska is still kind of a "Wild West" type of place, so this doesn't surprise me.

20 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:12:50am

As the great Lao Stinky said...

Belief in God does not preclude evolution, and
Evolution does not preclde belief in God.

They are compatible.

21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:12:50am

OT

Pakistan PM Yousuf Gillani escapes assassination attempt

Yousuf Raza Gillani, the Pakistani Prime Minister, escaped an apparent assassination attempt today when shots were fired at his motorcade as it headed towards Islamabad airport to pick him up.

A spokesman for Mr Gillani, who heads the country's new coalition government, had said that he was in his armoured car at the time of the attack and two bullets had hit the windows of the vehicle, but it later emerged that the attack in the garrison town of Rawalpindi was premature.

"The Prime Minister and his staff were not in the car," said Kamal Shah, the Interior Secretary. "The Prime Minister had not yet landed from Lahore when the incident took place. The motorcade was on its way to the airport to receive him."

22 Eowyn2  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:12:52am

re: #2 laZardo

I still fail to see any sort of reconciliation between these two beliefs, but I am at least glad that neither Palin nor McCain will push for teaching "ID-ism" in schools.


you need to be in the mountains during a thunderstorm.

23 zombie  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:12:59am

The #1 reason that the left is attacking Palin furiously is that they have basically nothing to attack McCain on.

What a foolish, foolish strategy.

24 Alouette  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:13:00am

Thanks, Charles.

25 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:13:02am

re: #14 Occasional Reader

Nice. I hope it is true. I can live with the MSM and the libs calling me a thief. Better than being stolen from ;)

26 Vergeltung  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:13:25am

re: #15 rawmuse

"a confusion that she shares with about %50 of the US population"

You know, I have to credit Charles with even getting me to ponder this issue, because until I started reading the threads and various posts, I really did not give a darn about any of it, and I had no idea that ID was being used as a wedge issue in public education. Our lives are so full of a million other things.

indeed. I see it as a non-issue, except when some islamists start using whatever leeway they get from it to push some agenda-driven crap in the schools.

27 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:13:26am
28 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:14:19am

re: #7 Occasional Reader

Well, that's too bad, because it's the government's job to ensure that all schoolchildren know the correct religious truth.

KIDDING!

The liberals aren't kidding, in that the "religious truth" is diversity and global warming.

29 Bobblehead  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:14:19am

Rush is speaking eloquently about the sexist attacks on Sarah.

30 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:14:34am

re: #19 Ward Cleaver

Alaska is still kind of a "Wild West" type of place, so this doesn't surprise me.

Yes, people are not trying to micro manage every minute of your day, every thing you buy, everything you put in your mouth. In fact, they leave you the hell alone, to figure it out for yourself.
Imagine that.

31 Vergeltung  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:14:35am

re: #23 zombie

The #1 reason that the left is attacking Palin furiously is that they have basically nothing to attack McCain on.
What a foolish, foolish strategy.

I think they are very scared, and in full panic mode! this rocks! :)

32 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:14:53am

re: #23 zombie

The #1 reason that the left is attacking Palin furiously is that they have basically nothing to attack McCain on.

What a foolish, foolish strategy.

The left is scared shitless.

33 Eowyn2  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:14:55am

re: #23 zombie

The #1 reason that the left is attacking Palin furiously is that they have basically nothing to attack McCain on.

What a foolish, foolish strategy.

they have nothing substancial to attack Palin on either.

34 Padre  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:15:03am

What is the big deal with teaching, "Class, some people view the creation of the world as being the work of God, and believe such and such....?"

Why is presenting more than one side of the issue so bad? It is not religious indoctrination.

IT IS NOT INDOCTRINATION!

Are some afraid that evolution will NOT be taught? Am I missing the big point?

35 jcm  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:15:32am

But will she advocate teaching the Turtle Stack? Now that is the litmus test!
/

36 Vergeltung  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:15:41am

re: #30 rawmuse

Yes, people are not trying to micro manage every minute of your day, every thing you buy, everything you put in your mouth. In fact, they leave you the hell alone, to figure it out for yourself.
Imagine that.

that's the way America used to be, in a time long long gone.....

37 Land Shark  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:15:42am

It's good to see both McCain and Palin, while creationists like me, have followed a sensible course allowing science classrooms to remain free of theology. If we want our nation to continue to be leader in science, this is essential.

I'm so happy with the reaction to the nomination of this woman from both the conservatives and liberals. The conservatives are energized and enthusiastic. The liberals are having a fit and showing their true colors. Are you paying attention, Hillary supporters?

Go, Sarah, go!

38 Eowyn2  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:15:53am

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

I think Doris Day might like that.

39 Irene NYC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:15:55am

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

That was brill!

40 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:16:00am
Neither have Palin's socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska's chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.

How revolutionary!

When is this neo-concept going to reach us in the lower 48?

41 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:16:09am

It's not creationism, but I think this can be posted under "pushing beliefs"......

[Link: www.time.com...]

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

Hey Palin, ever hear of the 1st amendment in this thing called the bill of rights?

42 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:16:13am

After some of the "improvements" made, I seem to be getting the following goofiness:

When attempting to post (after logging in, which is no longer "automatic", which is fine), I get "you need to be logged in" error message.

Above happens when (Log Out) is displayed above comment box, and "reply" "quote" links are visible.

Anybody else getting this behavior?
Charles hasn't "warned" me about anything, so I don't think that's an issue.

FireFox 3.0.1, lotsa "Tools" installed.
Java Plug-in 1.6.0_07
Using JRE version 1.6.0_07 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM
(which is also an "issue", but different, probably unrelated ones)

43 zombie  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:16:44am

People, people, people:

The federal government, and especially the executive branch, DO NOT IN ANY WAY determine the content of school curriculum. That job is primarily a state-by-state issue, and in some areas a local school board issue.

Palin could believe we're all re-animated Raggedy Ann dolls, for all I care. Her personal beliefs will have zero effect on science teaching in this country, even if she succeeds to the presidency.

44 likesbrusselssprouts  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:16:48am

Does anyone know what time Sarah Palin is to speak tonight at RNC?

45 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:16:59am

re: #23 zombie

The #1 reason that the left is attacking Palin furiously is that they have basically nothing to attack McCain on.

Frank J. at IMAO had a similar thought:

Have you heard Obama's new argument about how he has more experience than Palin (yes, he's running against Palin now because McCain's too hard)? He's run a presidential campaign. That gives him the experience to be president.

46 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:17:24am

re: #9 zombie

Snickering at the "I Can't Afford An Actual Sign" guy in the background of the second part of the video.

47 Vergeltung  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:17:38am

re: #42 jwb7605

I am experiencing new difficulties with staying logged in as well. kinda funky.

48 simpleman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:17:42am

Oh thank God! I was so worried about her stance on this issue, but now I know it's OK to vote for McCain. Thanks Charles!

49 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:17:43am

re: #33 Eowyn2

they have nothing substancial to attack Palin on either.

Gee, she's a former union member, and her husband is a member of the United Steelworkers, which probably counts for something with rank-and-file union members, even if McCain/Palin doesn't get union endorsements. She's also fought pork, even from Republicans, so the Dems are running scared.

50 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:17:53am

re: #12 Celtic Templar

I agree - I disagree with the man on a couple of issues, but I am 1 of the 3 that still approve.

I think it is more than 1 in 3. If you catch me a bad day, as when The President or Condi say something nice about our good friends the Palestinians, I might say in fit of a long lost adolescent anger that I disapprove of him. But as the sun sets and I have had a cocktail to settle myself down, I know he loves this country of ours and I stand forthright behind him. My Country and my President- Right or Wrong!

51 vagabond trader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:18:11am

re: #41 jordank

Whoa! You forgot to mention the state sanctioned book burnings.

sarc/

52 doppelganglander  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:18:15am

This week has been just the most repulsive display of vicious, elitist attempted character assassination I have ever seen. I cannot wait to watch Sarah's acceptance of the nomination tonight. She needs to hit the right note between gracious and tough as nails. I have no doubt she will perform magnificently.

53 jcm  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:18:22am

re: #34 Padre

What is the big deal with teaching, "Class, some people view the creation of the world as being the work of God, and believe such and such....?"

Why is presenting more than one side of the issue so bad? It is not religious indoctrination.

IT IS NOT INDOCTRINATION!

Are some afraid that evolution will NOT be taught? Am I missing the big point?

The "Teaching of Creation" in class opposed by the majority around here equates faith in God and the creation story with science. That is the issue.

The creation story if in public schools at all belongs in comparative religions not in a science class.

54 Russkilitlover  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:18:22am

re: #34 Padre

What is the big deal with teaching, "Class, some people view the creation of the world as being the work of God, and believe such and such....?"

Why is presenting more than one side of the issue so bad? It is not religious indoctrination.

IT IS NOT INDOCTRINATION!

Are some afraid that evolution will NOT be taught? Am I missing the big point?

Yes. You are missing the point. Faith is not science and does not belong in a science classroom. Period.

55 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:18:42am

re: #11 Vergeltung

he's got a lovely, feminine, sexy, loving wife. what's not to like? :)

What's up with all the supermarket checkout magazines that claim he's resumed drinking and he and Laura were divorcing soon?

You can usually see that in body language, but I did not get a whiff of it last night, from either GWB or Laura.

Of course, I never noticed it with Bill/Hillary either
/sarc

56 harrylook  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:18:53am

Yeah, but she's still a bad mom....

/MSM

57 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:18:54am

re: #9 zombie

OT:

I just got this following comment on my still-popular video from February showing Marine veterans arguing with a "hot-headed" liberal. I'm posting it here to show the deep deep racism that can be found on the left -- mind-boggling, in fact.

Neither I nor LGF endorses the sentiments of the following cited comment: it is only quoted here as a revolting example of left-wing racism. In the video, a light-skinned African-American veteran argues with a white liberal:

My God, these moonbats are disgusting.


Disgusting is a far too polite expression for that vomit-inducing slime spewed forth by this denizen of the nether levels of hate-producing moonbattery.

58 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:19:05am

re: #34 Padre

It is religious indoctrination, but that should be the point. I want my children to learn about Creationism, ID, Evolution, Big Bang, whatever else and to listen to all points of view. I came to the conclusion that Evolution is true, but G-d created Evolution.

My real problem is that I'm being robbed to pay for a public school system that is broken. If I want my children to learn it, I'll teach them or I should have money to pay for someone to pay for it. If you think it is junk science, then teach your children and send them to a school that teaches them.

I don't believe in the doctrine - recognizing it as a weak attempt to put G-d back in the class room. I do feel what McCain stated about the grand canyon.

59 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:19:20am

re: #9 zombie

OT:

I just got this following comment on my still-popular video from February showing Marine veterans arguing with a "hot-headed" liberal. I'm posting it here to show the deep deep racism that can be found on the left -- mind-boggling, in fact.

(...) In the video, a light-skinned African-American veteran argues with a white liberal:

My God, these moonbats are disgusting.

I've never understood why liberals think their "correct" political views give them license to spew such bigotry. As if a Black, Hispanic or Asian conservative is a "race traitor" and fair game for whatever filth they can dream up. They are no different from the Nazi freaks at Stormfront.

60 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:19:27am

re: #55 jwb7605

What's up with all the supermarket checkout magazines that claim he's resumed drinking and he and Laura were divorcing soon?

Um... those magazines are trash?

61 kynna  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:19:41am

When they have no argument they lie. It's that the lie becomes their 'truth' that is really scary. It's like playing whack-a-mole.

My mom has a friend who truly believed Obama had been the governor of Illinois and Sarah Palin has only been the mayor of a small town. If my mom hadn't informed her otherwise, she would never have known the truth. Now somebody fed her that line of bull. I'm sure she doesn't go on the 'net and I doubt she spends a lot of time with news/cable news. Somebody out and out lied to her (probably in a fund-raising phone call) and off she goes.

It's despicable and shouldn't be surprising, but sometimes it just gets so overwhelming.

62 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:19:43am

re: #6 Nevergiveup

Nove 5 2008--maybe?

That is the day that MDS onset becomes serious. Maybe we could have a telethon to help find a cure.

63 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:20:04am

re: #52 doppelganglander

If this week has done anything, it has taught me that, when I thought the press corps could go no lower, I was wrong. There was a lot more low that they were holding back.

64 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:20:07am

re: #22 Eowyn2

I am not anxious to win a Darwin Award, if that's what you were hinting at.

65 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:20:32am

Steve Schmidt:

Rush is saying now that the MSM is requesting DNA TESTS to prove that Trig is Sarahs son.

I kid you not!

66 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:20:49am

re: #62 CyanSnowHawk

That is the day that MDS onset becomes serious. Maybe we could have a telethon to help find a cure.

Fuck em. Let them buy their own drugs, at least we know their good at that!

67 nikis-knight  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:20:59am

I'm more concerned with a candidates grasp of foreign policy, economics, history, Islam, etc., etc., than what she knows or believes about evolution. It may be a hot button topic here, but in an elected official it's probably issue no 101 for me, right or wrong.

68 Irene NYC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:21:02am

re: #23 zombie

The #1 reason that the left is attacking Palin furiously is that they have basically nothing to attack McCain on.

What a foolish, foolish strategy.

I think it's much more than that. Palin is their arch enemy personified. If she is successful, she literally could rewrite American politics and challenge the leftwing stronghold on the msm, in universities, etc.

They literally see this as a fight for their survival, which is why they are attacking so viciously, and have decided to bet the house.

I hope they lose.

69 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:21:02am

re: #47 Vergeltung

I am experiencing new difficulties with staying logged in as well. kinda funky.

Seems related to length of time finishing a post. Like when I switch to a tab to retrieve a link, things like that.

Ajax timer issue?

70 jcm  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:21:19am

re: #64 laZardo

I am not anxious to win a Darwin Award, if that's what you were hinting at.

You'd pass up eternal fame and glory?
/ ;-P

71 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:21:32am

re: #60 Occasional Reader

Um... those magazines are trash?

Aside from the ever-venerable Weekly World News, they are not fit for toilet paper.

/I want my Bat Boy stories back! :-)

72 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:21:45am

re: #61 kynna

My mom has a friend who truly believed Obama had been the governor of Illinois and Sarah Palin has only been the mayor of a small town. If my mom hadn't informed her otherwise, she would never have known the truth.

Sadly, most people are uniformed.

73 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:21:46am

re: #30 rawmuse

Yes, people are not trying to micro manage every minute of your day, every thing you buy, everything you put in your mouth. In fact, they leave you the hell alone, to figure it out for yourself.
Imagine that.

Gawd - why can't we import that attitude back to the UK ....!

74 doppelganglander  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:21:53am

Rush is saying that Steve Schmidt of the McCain campaign says the MSM is calling him demanding a paternity test of little Trig. Un-fucking-believable.

75 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:21:54am

Some of the things the protesters in St Paul were planning:

Kidnap delegates
Take bags of marbles, then dump them under mounted police to make the horses fall.
Attack buses on the highways
Attack hotels were delegates are staying

And remember, Mpls and St Paul Democrats were supporting and aiding these people.

www.Twincities.com

WWW.startribune.com

76 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:21:55am

re: #63 rawmuse

If this week has done anything, it has taught me that, when I thought the press corps could go no lower, I was wrong. There was a lot more low that they were holding back.

"Breaking News: Could Bigfoot be the father of Bristol's baby? We report on the internet rumors that we do not necessarily endorse, but that you can't really disprove, either, can you? At least, not right at this moment, with the materials you have in front of you."

77 Vergeltung  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:22:03am

oh, I forgot to mention, I had a dream about Sarah Barracuda last night. I did, seriously. it was an informal political gathering for supporters and stuff. she was very personable and we really connected. I started the crowd in a big rowdy applause, thanking her for "doing so much for us"

I woke up feeling all wierd and stuff, like I really met her. it was cool!

78 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:22:11am

re: #60 Occasional Reader

Um... those magazines are trash?

Yeah, they got lucky with Edwards, though.
And you can read them for free waiting in line.
So, does the space alien still support and advise Bush?

79 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:22:18am

re: #54 Russkilitlover

Yes. You are missing the point. Faith is not science and does not belong in a science classroom. Period.

I'm not opposed to ID being brought up in the classroom, if for no other reason to critique/shoot holes in it.

80 vagabond trader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:22:21am

re: #71 Honorary Yooper

I really miss the old Midnite. I ripped her heart out and stomped on it was a classic.

81 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:22:39am

re: #65 Typicalwhitey

I say let them have the test results. I'd love to see what happens when they get the proof that she really is his mother.

82 Lively  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:22:56am

re: #23 zombie

The #1 reason that the left is attacking Palin furiously is that they have basically nothing to attack McCain on.

What a foolish, foolish strategy.

Speaking of foolish strategy....I like the conversation Obama had re:Palin's executive experience (the VP Nominee!).

It went something like this: I have more! NO, I have more! I have more than her!

I'm thinking, lol, Democrats. Keep it up.

83 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:23:04am

re: #75 Dave the.....

Some of the things the protesters in St Paul were planning:

Kidnap delegates
Take bags of marbles, then dump them under mounted police to make the horses fall.
Attack buses on the highways
Attack hotels were delegates are staying

And remember, Mpls and St Paul Democrats were supporting and aiding these people.

www.Twincities.com

WWW.startribune.com

MFers.

84 Bobblehead  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:23:12am

Rush said that McCain's media guy has been contacted by so-called A-list reporters are demanding paternity tests on Sarah's baby.

85 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:23:15am

re: #81 laZardo

I say let them have the test results. I'd love to see what happens when they get the proof that she really is his mother.


Look this will piss of every woman in AMerica!
This is insane!

86 opnion  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:23:18am

It would not shock me if Olberman, or some other member of the deranged Left, breaks the story that Palin is a Voodoo Priestess.

87 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:23:39am

re: #74 doppelganglander

Rush is saying that Steve Schmidt of the McCain campaign says the MSM is calling him demanding a paternity test of little Trig. Un-fucking-believable.

WTH?

88 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:23:43am

re: #74 doppelganglander

Rush is saying that Steve Schmidt of the McCain campaign says the MSM is calling him demanding a paternity test of little Trig. Un-fucking-believable.

Does the name John Edwards ring a bell?

89 zombie  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:23:43am

re: #41 jordank

It's not creationism, but I think this can be posted under "pushing beliefs"......

[Link: www.time.com...]

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

Hey Palin, ever hear of the 1st amendment in this thing called the bill of rights?

Local communities "ban" books from their public libraries that offend local sensibilites all the time.

At my local branch of the PUBLIC library there are 500 books praising the Black Panthers and Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam. And not ONE that criticises them. Why? Because those are the books the library staff ordered. Because that's the view they want the locals to have (or that they think they already have). There exists countless other books pointing out the bad side of those subjects that could have been ordered, but weren't, so they were essentially "banned" by the library. And no one complains.

Happens in every library in the country. You have to decide which books to order, and which to not order, which to keep, and which to discard.

90 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:23:44am

re: #84 Bobblehead

Rush said that McCain's media guy has been contacted by so-called A-list reporters are demanding paternity tests on Sarah's baby.

I hope the media guy TELLS EVERYONE WHO THEY ARE>

91 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:23:54am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Pakistan PM Yousuf Gillani escapes assassination attempt

Premature assassination?

92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:24:05am

re: #75 Dave the.....

Some of the things the protesters in St Paul were planning:

Kidnap delegates
Take bags of marbles, then dump them under mounted police to make the horses fall.
Attack buses on the highways
Attack hotels were delegates are staying

And remember, Mpls and St Paul Democrats were supporting and aiding these people.

www.Twincities.com

WWW.startribune.com

They have attacked buses. They've been dropping 20+ lbs bags of concrete from highway overpasses on them.

93 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:24:09am

re: #2 laZardo

I still fail to see any sort of reconciliation between these two beliefs, but I am at least glad that neither Palin nor McCain will push for teaching "ID-ism" in schools.

If you were a microbiologist you would.

As far as Bobby Jindal goes, maybe he just signed legislation that the people of the very strongly Catholic state of Louisiana want passed, as is his duty.

94 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:24:21am

re: #43 zombie

People, people, people:

The federal government, and especially the executive branch, DO NOT IN ANY WAY determine the content of school curriculum. That job is primarily a state-by-state issue, and in some areas a local school board issue.

Palin could believe we're all re-animated Raggedy Ann dolls, for all I care. Her personal beliefs will have zero effect on science teaching in this country, even if she succeeds to the presidency.

Seems that not many people on the left know that - or, if they know, care to mention it ...

95 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:24:23am

re: #65 Typicalwhitey

Then she should just do it and get it over with, that way she can say "See? I am the mother!" Otherwise if they keep ignoring the requests it will make her look guilty and/or look like she is hiding something.

96 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:24:34am

re: #68 Irene NYC

I think it's much more than that. Palin is their arch enemy personified. If she is successful, she literally could rewrite American politics and challenge the leftwing stronghold on the msm, in universities, etc.

All that may be true, but I also see a much simpler factor at work: they recognized how the Palin pick had energized the Republican base (and many undecided hangers-on) and knew she had to be destroyed as quickly as possible. Rough-and-tumble politics.

97 jcm  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:24:40am

re: #81 laZardo

I say let them have the test results. I'd love to see what happens when they get the proof that she really is his mother.

A Emily Litella moment.

98 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:24:43am

re: #90 Typicalwhitey

I hope the media guy TELLS EVERYONE WHO THEY ARE>

Disclose a source? How un-NYT that would be.

99 opnion  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:24:51am

re: #76 Occasional Reader

"Breaking News: Could Bigfoot be the father of Bristol's baby? We report on the internet rumors that we do not necessarily endorse, but that you can't really disprove, either, can you? At least, not right at this moment, with the materials you have in front of you."


No, no ,no! The whole family ar pod people.

100 doppelganglander  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:25:02am

re: #87 Ward Cleaver

Apparently, they now take their marching orders from Kos and Andrew Sullivan.

101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:25:06am

re: #88 Nevergiveup

Does the name John Edwards ring a bell?

If Palin said John Edwards was the father, the MSM would never have looked into it.

102 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:25:10am

re: #81 laZardo

I say let them have the test results. I'd love to see what happens when they get the proof that she really is his mother.

They'll scream cover up. They've got their story, and no facts will dissuade them from it. Campaign troofers.

103 jcm  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:25:46am

re: #84 Bobblehead

Rush said that McCain's media guy has been contacted by so-called A-list reporters are demanding paternity tests on Sarah's baby.

I demand a DNA test on Chelesa to prove Janet Reno is not her father.

104 vagabond trader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:25:48am

re: #81 laZardo

Nah, let the barking moonbats howl on until they collapse. I certainly wish the Gov would come out tonite, make mention of the fact that she is for country and family first, then rip into Obiden.

105 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:25:48am

re: #102 Ward Cleaver

They'll scream cover up. They've got their story, and no facts will dissuade them from it. Campaign troofers.

Point made.

106 Lively  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:00am

re: #81 laZardo

I say let them have the test results. I'd love to see what happens when they get the proof that she really is his mother.

Aren't there hospital records, doctors/nurses etc. who were at the delivery?

107 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:08am

re: #95 jordank

Then she should just do it and get it over with, that way she can say "See? I am the mother!" Otherwise if they keep ignoring the requests it will make her look guilty and/or look like she is hiding something.


WHAT?
She should do it as soon as OBAMA does it!
GUILTY?
OF WHAT?

108 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:11am

re: #34 Padre

Am I missing the big point?

Yes Padre, you're missing the point.

109 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:13am

re: #81 laZardo

I say let them have the test results. I'd love to see what happens when they get the proof that she really is his mother.

No.

Screw that.

That would simply be allowing those weasels the satisfaction of destroying one more shred of privacy for this girl. And it would ramp up the whole "supermarket tabloid" bullshit story they're throwing out as a smokescreen. McCain and Palin should tell them to go fuck themselves. Pardon my language.

110 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:25am

re: #23 zombie

The #1 reason that the left is attacking Palin furiously is that they have basically nothing to attack McCain on.

What a foolish, foolish strategy.

It's the best way I can think of to piss off the independents and push them toward McCain. I'm actually surprised by their visceral reaction: they must really be afraid of Palin.

111 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:27am

When you stick a hog, he squeals. Right now, the left are squealing about Palin.

112 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:31am

re: #23 zombie

Not true. You can attack McCain over McCain Feingold, his stance on immigration, etc., but the problem is that Obama doesn't have a problem with those positions - the GOP base does.

You could attack McCain on his position regarding Iraq and Afghanistan, but it reveals just how thin Obama's resume and experience are.

113 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:43am

re: #61 kynna

When they have no argument they lie. It's that the lie becomes their 'truth' that is really scary. It's like playing whack-a-mole.

My mom has a friend who truly believed Obama had been the governor of Illinois and Sarah Palin has only been the mayor of a small town. If my mom hadn't informed her otherwise, she would never have known the truth. Now somebody fed her that line of bull. I'm sure she doesn't go on the 'net and I doubt she spends a lot of time with news/cable news. Somebody out and out lied to her (probably in a fund-raising phone call) and off she goes.

It's despicable and shouldn't be surprising, but sometimes it just gets so overwhelming.

I am so tempted to take a screen shot of Governor Sarah Palin's official government web page, print it up as posters and go paste them all over town. Or have it printed as postcards and mail them to everyone I know. Or take her official picture over the the US Postal service website and have it turned into stamps.

Sheesh!

114 Bobblehead  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:49am

re: #90 Typicalwhitey

I hope the media guy TELLS EVERYONE WHO THEY ARE>

I've decided that I will drop another couple of dollars into McCain's campaign every time I read or hear this horrible stuff.

115 nikis-knight  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:52am

re: #41 jordank

Hey Palin, ever hear of the 1st amendment in this thing called the bill of rights?

How does that apply to schools? Banning books aside, students in class do NOT have free speech, they need to shut up and listen, and speak respectfully, not say any old thing they feel like.

116 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:58am

re: #53 jcm

The "Teaching of Creation" in class opposed by the majority around here equates faith in God and the creation story with science. That is the issue.

The creation story if in public schools at all belongs in comparative religions not in a science class.

My concern is not so much that creationism is mentioned in school, its that a teacher religious biases will creep in. I am sure there are many who don't want me teaching creationism as put forth by my faith, and I know that I don't want my children being subjected to the faiths of others in the classroom. That my only beef with it. I will teach the faith at home.

117 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:26:58am

re: #106 Lively

Aren't there hospital records, doctors/nurses etc. who were at the delivery?

Yes.
It sickens me to know that even that was necessary.

118 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:15am

re: #84 Bobblehead

Rush said that McCain's media guy has been contacted by so-called A-list reporters are demanding paternity tests on Sarah's baby.

So much for the A-list.

Anyway, the A-list doesn't talk to Rush, do they?

119 Lively  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:21am

They taught creationism and evolution in the public school I went. Many moons ago.

120 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:25am

re: #41 jordank

Not quite banning, but nice try. IMHO banning means stopping the production of a book, not censoring it from a library. The FCC bans language deemed offensive on the radio airwaves. Is it illegal to censor public library content? Did she lead a campaign to destroy books and punish publishing houses?

Stop the Drama.

121 ConservativeAtheist  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:26am

re: #34 Padre

What is the big deal with teaching, "Class, some people view the creation of the world as being the work of God, and believe such and such....?"
blockquote>

Padre, if you want to do that in a Comparative Religion class, I'm all for it. It simply has no place in the Science class.

Let me ask you this. If you want something other than natural selection discussed in the Science class, which religion's creation myth would you prefer? Christian, Mayan, Classical Grecian, ...?

122 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:31am

re: #109 Occasional Reader

No.

Screw that.

That would simply be allowing those weasels the satisfaction of destroying one more shred of privacy for this girl. And it would ramp up the whole "supermarket tabloid" bullshit story they're throwing out as a smokescreen. McCain and Palin should tell them to go fuck themselves. Pardon my language.

No I will not pardon your language. That is exactly the langauge that is needed.

123 jcm  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:34am

re: #110 Spiny Norman

It's the best way I can think of to piss off the independents and push them toward McCain. I'm actually surprised by their visceral reaction: they must really be afraid of Palin.

What they see is the WH house in (R) hands for 16 years, and constructionist replacing the entire court.

Full blown melt down panic.

124 FreeIowa  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:36am

OT: Somebody bothered to read Google's EULA for Chrome. Google's new world order begins today :)
Google Chrome EULA Claims Ownership of Everything You Create Using Chrome, From Blog Posts to Emails

125 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:39am

re: #91 CyanSnowHawk

Premature assassination?

More of a case of assassination interuptus....

126 Eowyn2  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:45am

re: #41 jordank

It's not creationism, but I think this can be posted under "pushing beliefs"......

[Link: www.time.com...]

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

Hey Palin, ever hear of the 1st amendment in this thing called the bill of rights?


Libraries aren't the quaint book borrowing places they used to be. Libraries are more on the line of Blockbuster but with more books. There's the media section, the book section, the on-line section, the wifi section. There are some books that should be restricted by age. There should be access deniability to some web sites.
Did you get a list of the supposed books that Palin wanted to ban? Asking how to go about banning books (knowledge is needful) is not the same as actually banning the books.

I think it shows a definate action to the people. She had constituents who were trying to get a certain book(s) taken off the shelves of the Public Library. As such she asked for the methodology to go about it. If the Librarian would not give her the information, the librarian is not doing her job.

Tempest in a Tea Cup. The Librarian wont even speak to the press about it.

127 DeafDog  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:47am

re: #95 jordank

Then she should just do it and get it over with, that way she can say "See? I am the mother!" Otherwise if they keep ignoring the requests it will make her look guilty and/or look like she is hiding something.

....and then demand a paternity test on the Obama girls.

128 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:51am

re: #89 zombie

Having the mayor threaten to fire you if you don't ban some book because some fundamentalist complained about a book showing witches isn't exactly my idea of a free society. Sounds more like a story I would expect to hear in Saudi Arabia.

129 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:27:51am

re: #109 Occasional Reader

No.

Screw that.

That would simply be allowing those weasels the satisfaction of destroying one more shred of privacy for this girl. And it would ramp up the whole "supermarket tabloid" bullshit story they're throwing out as a smokescreen. McCain and Palin should tell them to go fuck themselves. Pardon my language.

This is about Sarah and Trig, of course, not Bristol. Still, telling them to GTFO would only reinforce their suspicions...although then it'd be a case of "damned if you did, damned if you didn't."

130 WitchDoctor  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:28:02am

It would be nice if we could publish the list of what the bad creationists believe versus what the good creationists believe. Creationism in general is being blended into idiot territory without realizing what people really believe.

I , for one, and a Catholic creationist. I believe He created the Heaven and Earth. I believe He created the physical laws by which everything depends. If that includes evolution, so be it. However, I still think there is room for discussion on evolution at least to the extent of what we don't know. Obviously the body of evidence leans that way, so it needs to be taught, but argument is the best way to ferret out the details. And no, I don't think stating the earth was created in October 4005 BC (or whatever Lightfoot determined) is a real argument :)

I only wrote this because it just seems calling someone a creationist is like calling Ted Kennedy and Zel Miller liberals. That's a pretty wide gap.

131 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:28:33am

re: #119 Lively

They taught creationism and evolution in the public school I went. Many moons ago.

And dead dinosaurs piled up underground was how oil was possible.

That was a lot of dinosaurs, at current consumption levels.

132 doppelganglander  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:28:33am

re: #95 jordank

Then she should just do it and get it over with, that way she can say "See? I am the mother!" Otherwise if they keep ignoring the requests it will make her look guilty and/or look like she is hiding something.

Which is exactly what the MSM is trying to do. It's about time decent people stood up and said enough, and I think Sarah is the one to do it.

133 vagabond trader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:28:33am

re: #95 jordank

Bullshit. She owes them nothing of the sort. What's the matter, your guy afraid to dialogue on the real issues? That's rhetorical, we know the answer.

134 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:28:45am

re: #123 jcm

What they see is the WH house in (R) hands for 16 years, and constructionist replacing the entire court.

Full blown melt down panic.

16 years? Why such a pessimist? If McCain gets 8, maybe Palin could get 8 more...

135 Eowyn2  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:28:53am

re: #43 zombie

People, people, people:

The federal government, and especially the executive branch, DO NOT IN ANY WAY determine the content of school curriculum. That job is primarily a state-by-state issue, and in some areas a local school board issue.

Palin could believe we're all re-animated Raggedy Ann dolls, for all I care. Her personal beliefs will have zero effect on science teaching in this country, even if she succeeds to the presidency.


Nturally that would make me rethink voting for her.

136 A.W.  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:28:57am

Okay, there is one weird thing there. She is talking about catholicism, but my understandign was she was not catholic. i remember hearing very specifically she will help with catholics, because even though she was not catholic she is anti-abortion, etc. Am i wrong, was my source wrong, or what?

137 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:29:03am

re: #81 laZardo

No. Demand that Barack and Michelle Obama, Joe Biden and his bride, and every Democrat Member of Congress submit to paternity tests for all their children, legitimate and illegitimate.

And when we have all those results in, we'll consider their request. ;-)

138 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:29:22am

Still prefer Jindal to Blanco.

139 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:29:35am

re: #43 zombie

DOn't give US magazine any ideas ;)

140 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:30:19am

re: #136 A.W.

Palin's anti-abortion stance will help with catholic voters.

141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:30:29am

re: #110 Spiny Norman

It's the best way I can think of to piss off the independents and push them toward McCain. I'm actually surprised by their visceral reaction: they must really be afraid of Palin.

What I find amusing is everything they can think of to attack Palin with, you can hit Obama with even harder.

142 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:30:39am

re: #130 WitchDoctor

My stance is that evolution directly contradicts and disproves scriptural stories of creation and thus undermines the faith upon which these stories provide part of the foundation.

That does NOT however mean that the known history of the universe automatically disproves the existence of a "Supreme Being." Still, I will neither accept or reject said Being's existence until the jury returns...and that probably won't be in my lifetime.

143 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:31:02am

re: #136 A.W.

IIRC, Palin was raised Catholic, but later changed to Assembly of G-d. So what?

144 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:31:31am

re: #134 coquimbojoe

16 years? Why such a pessimist? If McCain gets 8, maybe Palin could get 8 more...

If McCain gets 4 and retires honorably, and Palin took over for only another 4, the election after that would promise to actually stick to the issues.

145 jcm  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:31:40am

re: #116 coquimbojoe

My concern is not so much that creationism is mentioned in school, its that a teacher religious biases will creep in. I am sure there are many who don't want me teaching creationism as put forth by my faith, and I know that I don't want my children being subjected to the faiths of others in the classroom. That my only beef with it. I will teach the faith at home.

That's why I say IF and a comparative religions class (which rarely happen k-12). I can see representatives of religions that are in a school district have an hour presentation.

But other than that religion is too dicey a subject for public schools. My other worry is that a faith based schools would give short shrift to science. Science that's needed to survive in a modern world.

146 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:31:41am

re: #126 Eowyn2

Libraries aren't the quaint book borrowing places they used to be. Libraries are more on the line of Blockbuster but with more books.

They also tend to be Leftist in orientation, on the whole.

147 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:31:49am

I am slightly comforted by the fact that whoever wins the election in November the media is screwed either way.

If Obama wins, it won't take the American people long to figure out that they've been sold a pig in a poke by their friends at MSNBC, et al.

If McCain wins the election it will prove that the media does not have the power it thought it had, or would have liked to have, to influence the public.

/invest in LGF! :-)

148 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:31:52am

re: #129 laZardo

This is about Sarah and Trig, of course, not Bristol. Still, telling them to GTFO would only reinforce their suspicions...although then it'd be a case of "damned if you did, damned if you didn't."

Yes, you're right, about Sarah and Trig. Still, my "tell them to go fuck themselves" point stands. Hey, how about we demand paternity tests for Obama's kids, too? I mean, why the hell not, right? And what else... oh I dunno, we should demand DNA tests to prove definitively that Michelle is not a transsexual... and for that matter, neither is Obama... hmm, anything else? That's the way this works, right? We get to make up insane rumors, and then the candidates are required to jump through the hoops we stipulate, in order to disprove them?

149 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:31:54am

re: #142 laZardo

That does NOT however mean that the known history of the universe automatically disproves the existence of a "Supreme Being." Still, I will neither accept or reject said Being's existence until the jury returns...and that probably won't be in my lifetime.

the good news is that you will have a definitive answer at the end of your lifetime. One thing you can look forward to.

150 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:31:55am

re: #9 zombie

OT:

I just got this following comment on my still-popular video from February showing Marine veterans arguing with a "hot-headed" liberal. I'm posting it here to show the deep deep racism that can be found on the left -- mind-boggling, in fact.

Neither I nor LGF endorses the sentiments of the following cited comment: it is only quoted here as a revolting example of left-wing racism. In the video, a light-skinned African-American veteran argues with a white liberal:

My God, these moonbats are disgusting.

Progressive. The future of this nation. *shudder*

152 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:32:03am

re: #136 A.W.

Okay, there is one weird thing there. She is talking about catholicism, but my understandign was she was not catholic. i remember hearing very specifically she will help with catholics, because even though she was not catholic she is anti-abortion, etc. Am i wrong, was my source wrong, or what?

No shes not Catholic, I don't know why so many people are saying she is, she belongs to some assemblies of God type of church.

153 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:32:06am

re: #65 Typicalwhitey

Steve Schmidt:

Rush is saying now that the MSM is requesting DNA TESTS to prove that Trig is Sarahs son.

I kid you not!

This came out in the loons blogs a couple of days ago. The MSM can piss up a rope. They have no right to see the DNA tests that were performed on her youngest son and whether or not Sarah Palin is the biological mother is completely inconsequential to the election.re: #81 laZardo

I say let them have the test results. I'd love to see what happens when they get the proof that she really is his mother.

In a pig's eye! Not until every single man in the friggin Congress turn over DNA results for every child that he is alleged to have fathered. Not until Obama turns over his entire medical records and DNA results for his own two daughters.

DNA results of a candidates children have no bearing on politics.

154 Irene NYC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:32:18am

re: #96 StinkHammer

All that may be true, but I also see a much simpler factor at work: they recognized how the Palin pick had energized the Republican base (and many undecided hangers-on) and knew she had to be destroyed as quickly as possible. Rough-and-tumble politics.

I don't agree. The msm is throwing whatever credibility it has left out the window forever. They know they are ruined if she wins. Palin will have exposed them as being nothing but partisan hacks who can not be trusted anymore.

Our founding fathers wrote a bill of rights granting freedom of the press to help the citizenry run government. Most people instinctively know that the more serious news organizations are supposed to inform them about the important issues of the day. We all know that the NYT, LAT, etc. have been lying for years now. Well, the rest of American is getting to see firsthand what they've been up to and unless Obama wins and continues to cover for them, this is their death knell.

At least, that's how I see it.
;)

155 Bobblehead  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:32:37am

re: #137 quickjustice

No. Demand that Barack and Michelle Obama, Joe Biden and his bride, and every Democrat Member of Congress submit to paternity tests for all their children, legitimate and illegitimate.

And when we have all those results in, we'll consider their request. ;-)

The media creeps are not going to let go of the meme that Gov. Palin is not the child's mother.

156 Lively  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:32:56am

re: #149 Peacekeeper

the good news is that you will have a definitive answer at the end of your lifetime. One thing you can look forward to.

lol

157 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:33:05am

re: #153 galloping granny

In a pig's eye! Not until every single man in the friggin Congress turn over DNA results for every child that he is alleged to have fathered. Not until Obama turns over his entire medical records and DNA results for his own two daughters.

DNA results of a candidates children have no bearing on politics.

Before we get to Trig's paternity "question", I want the MSM to get these answers (reposting my list):

When did Obama stop snorting cocaine?

Has he snorted cocaine in his home when his daughters were present?

Has he had his drug dealer over to his home when THE CHILDREN were there?

Did they snort cocaine together with William Ayers?

Has Obama stopped associating with terrorists?

Is he planning to bomb Pakistan because Pakistan supported the U.S. mission to remove the Taliban?

Is that his idea of payback for insulting Muslims?

158 runrabbitrun  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:33:21am

re: #78 jwb7605

Yeah, they got lucky with Edwards, though.
And you can read them for free waiting in line.
So, does the space alien still support and advise Bush?

AFAIR, this was the best tabloid line I ever read at a checkout line, courtesy of the late lamented Weekly World News ::removes hat for the tragic loss of Bat Boy::

'Hillary Clinton dating Space Alien (with photo of the happy couple)! Bill is SHOCKED! "I Thought She Was a Lesbian", he says"

159 jaunte  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:33:22am

That Time mag piece on Palin is a hatchet job.
"...according to some [rivals] who were involved in that fight, Palin was a highly polarizing political figure..."

According to some readers, Nathan Thornburgh is not a journalist, but a partisan hack grasping at poorly documented straws.

160 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:33:32am

re: #95 jordank

I won't dignify your post by actually quoting it. But since the lefties are into equality, then Barack Obama and Joe Biden should have to do a paternity test and put them into the mix.

There is just no end to the depths of depravity the left is panting to go to.

How does it feel to be their waterboy/watergirl?

161 Outrider  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:33:39am

re: #4 joncelli

It's throw-up-the-mud-and-see-what-sticks time. Has there been a media feeding frenzy like this in recent memory?

President Nixon in the early 70s?

163 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:34:11am

re: #154 Irene NYC

I think both of you are correct.

164 vagabond trader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:34:22am

re: #160 Intrepid

Nice avatar.

165 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:34:32am

re: #148 Occasional Reader

We get to make up insane rumors, and then the candidates are required to jump through the hoops we stipulate, in order to disprove them?

Apparently...

166 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:34:38am

re: #116 coquimbojoe

My concern is not so much that creationism is mentioned in school, its that a teacher religious biases will creep in. I am sure there are many who don't want me teaching creationism as put forth by my faith, and I know that I don't want my children being subjected to the faiths of others in the classroom. That my only beef with it. I will teach the faith at home.

Well you know, I would really rather that English teachers not teach English, because their personal biases, religious and otherwise, definitely do creep in to the literature they teach and the way in which they teach it. Exactly the same can be said for social studies, history and environmentalism. Oh, and BTW - evolution.

If you cannot deal with that and want your children to see only your own views, then homeschool them and use a curriculum specific to your own beliefs.

167 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:34:49am
Catholicism doesn’t teach authoritatively on evolution or the origins of life, but we do believe that God is our Creator.

There's something wrong with that?

168 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:35:02am

re: #149 Peacekeeper

the good news is that you will have a definitive answer at the end of your lifetime. One thing you can look forward to.

Why do both atheists and non-athiests consider suicide a "last resort"?

A: Healthy doubt. Cuts both ways.

169 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:35:19am
That Time mag piece on Palin is a hatchet job.
"...according to some [rivals] who were involved in that fight, Palin was a highly polarizing political figure..."

Well, yet she was. That's because she went into the good old boys corrupt offices and cleaned them up.

Elliott Ness was a polarizing figure.

170 alegrias  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:35:23am

re: #68 Irene NYC

I think it's much more than that. Palin is their arch enemy personified. If she is successful, she literally could rewrite American politics and challenge the leftwing stronghold on the msm, in universities, etc.

They literally see this as a fight for their survival, which is why they are attacking so viciously, and have decided to bet the house.

I hope they lose.

* * *

In less than a week, democrats have become the Taliban, wanting to put a burqa on Sarah Palin AND her daughter.

Democrats have exposed themselves as Victorian hypocrites willing to stone a woman who dared to be different or to THINK differently.

Sarah Palin didn't marry or inherit her way into politics unlike democrats' favorite women politicians.

171 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:35:26am

re: #128 jordank

Yes, and since the librarian lady who supposedly made the remark cannot be found for confirmation, you libs will just eat this up with a spoon and call for more!

Keep on that road, jordank, and the loss in November for ya'll will be by double digits.

172 doppelganglander  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:35:31am

re: #128 jordank

Having the mayor threaten to fire you if you don't ban some book because some fundamentalist complained about a book showing witches isn't exactly my idea of a free society. Sounds more like a story I would expect to hear in Saudi Arabia.

There's a massive difference between a mayor inquiring about the process to ban a book and actually banning a book. Based on your post, it seems a citizen, or several citizens, made a complaint. It's the mayor's duty to investigate the complaint and find out whether she can do anything about it. Citizens challenge books in the public and school libraries all the time. Most often they lose. For example, in Gwinnett County, Georgia last year, a mom complained about the Harry Potter books. After multiple hearings -- i.e., due process -- her request was denied.

As for the validity of your link, it only goes to the main page of Time, not an article. Your quote, wherever it's from, points out they couldn't verify the incident as the librarian was unavailable. News reports of the time may have claimed Palin tried to fire the librarian, but I'll bet the librarian was the source of that accusation.

173 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:35:51am

re: #154 Irene NYC

The msm is throwing whatever credibility it has left out the window forever. They know they are ruined if she wins.

Interesting, but I don't see how Palin's winning the VP spot will ruin the major media.

174 nikis-knight  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:22am

re: #142 laZardo

My stance is that evolution directly contradicts and disproves scriptural stories of creation and thus undermines the faith upon which these stories provide part of the foundation.

And I'm just glad that you aren't in a position to teach those religious views in a public school.

175 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:29am

re: #148 Occasional Reader

I think any time anyone again brings up anything to do with Sarah's kids, the standard answer should simply be "Fuck You". And when they look startled and reply -say again- we reply "Fuck You". Even those morons should finally get the point. So remember it's not just so no, it's just say "Fuck You".

176 zombie  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:29am

re: #128 jordank

Having the mayor threaten to fire you if you don't ban some book because some fundamentalist complained about a book showing witches isn't exactly my idea of a free society. Sounds more like a story I would expect to hear in Saudi Arabia.

Where is the evidence to back up either of the highlighted words? The article said she wanted some books with offensive language removed from children's access.

I know a great deal about how the far-far-left has taken over the library unions and how they use this power in an attempt to indoctrinate children. The take great delight in ordering books that promote leftist doctrine, and they also love ordering "racy" books to push the envelope.

If a local community doesn't want their teens or pre-teens reading books that contain swear words, they have the absolute right to request to have such books removed from the shelves of the public library. They are, after all, paying for that library. Some non-elected librarian does not have dictatorial rights to determine the reading habits of an entire community.

The voters of the city, through their elected representative (the mayor), can say what they do and do not want in their own library. This happens (usually invisibly) in every city in the country.

It has long been assumed that librarians were neutral, beneficent, and in concord with the sentiment of the local community, but that isn't always the case.

177 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:30am

re: #95 jordank

You are disgusting.

178 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:32am

Rush is good. BTW does Rush know Sally Quinn has a genetically damaged child? Why is she daring to do anything out of the house?

179 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:42am

re: #112 lawhawk

Not true. You can attack McCain over McCain Feingold, his stance on immigration, etc., but the problem is that Obama doesn't have a problem with those positions - the GOP base does.

Criticising McCain on those issues would never even occur to the Media drones, either, because they are also in complete agreement with him.

180 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:45am
181 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:45am

re: #148 Occasional Reader

Point. But I don't think we should sink to their level. I think Sarah should give certified results as proof then declare the matter finished throughout the campaign, and if the rumormongers want to scream cover-up, well, the "campaign twoofers" will be the ones looking ridiculous afterwards.

182 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:46am

re: #152 jordank

No shes not Catholic, I don't know why so many people are saying she is, she belongs to some assemblies of God type of church.

Actually, she IS Catholic according to Catholic doctrine. She was born Catholic. Whatever church she happens to attend these days. Three of them BTW - one at home, one in Juneau and a third in Anchorage.

183 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:48am

re: #167 Cap'n DOC

Catholic High School in Philadelphia teaches evolution theory and not creationism. Theology classes teach Genesis, though and there are many open discussions that challenge both Genesis and evolution.

184 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:36:52am

re: #164 vagabond trader

Nice avatar.

Great ship!

185 DeafDog  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #137 quickjustice

No. Demand that Barack and Michelle Obama, Joe Biden and his bride, and every Democrat Member of Congress submit to paternity tests for all their children, legitimate and illegitimate.

And when we have all those results in, we'll consider their request. ;-)

And let's clear up those "Chelsea Clinton was sired by Webb Hubbell" rumors while we are at it!

186 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:37:43am

re: #173 StinkHammer

Interesting, but I don't see how Palin's winning the VP spot will ruin the major media.

See littleoldlady's #147.

187 vapig  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:38:04am

re: #109 Occasional Reader

No.

Screw that.

That would simply be allowing those weasels the satisfaction of destroying one more shred of privacy for this girl. And it would ramp up the whole "supermarket tabloid" bullshit story they're throwing out as a smokescreen. McCain and Palin should tell them to go fuck themselves. Pardon my language.

I concur. I'm tired of these people believing that anything private is their right to air and view.

188 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:38:05am

re: #4 joncelli

It's throw-up-the-mud-and-see-what-sticks time. Has there been a media feeding frenzy like this in recent memory?

Nope. And the GOP should be loving every minute of it, if they're smart. The whole nation's attention is now focused on Palin's upcoming speech this evening, with BOTH sides perched on the edge of their seats waiting to see what she has to say.

Meanwhile, the middle - which is what the election is all about, folks - is utterly disgusted by the Left's ongoing, juvenile temper tantrum. The GOP may or may not benefit from all the attention, but there is no doubt at all that the Democrats are losing because of it.

Whoever decided to pick Palin is a genius.

189 vagabond trader  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:38:07am

re: #184 Intrepid

Is she back in NYC?

190 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:38:39am

re: #149 Peacekeeper

To be honest, I don't think it'd really matter either way. I definitely know the body will die and rot, and unless I achieve historical prominence, I'll eventually be completely forgotten.

191 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:38:49am

re: #185 DeafDog

And let's clear up those "Chelsea Clinton was sired by Webb Hubbell" rumors while we are at it!

You mean it wasn't Vince Foster?

192 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:38:50am

re: #189 vagabond trader

Is she back in NYC?

no

193 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:38:56am

re: #161 Outrider

President Nixon in the early 70s?

Close, but even the Nixon frenzy was not this bad.

194 looking closely  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:39:14am

I didn't know Jindal was accepted to Harvard Med.

If Jindal wants to invoke Creationism in the setting of the Catholic church, he should at least know that the Pope says that a belief in evolution is A-OK.

195 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:39:18am

re: #123 jcm

What they see is the WH house in (R) hands for 16 years, and constructionist replacing the entire court.

Full blown melt down panic.

Perhaps the Democrats have suddenly realized the huge strategic blunder they have made. They have gambled everything on this inexperienced speech reader. If they had gone with Clinton/Obama '08, they would have won the White House in a land side, followed by Clinton/Obama '12, & then Obama/Whoever '16 & Obama/Whoever '12. Instead, they could be looking at being shut out for at least the next 12 years.

196 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:39:22am

re: #125 coquimbojoe

More of a case of assassination interuptus....

They shot at the motorcade before the motorcade had picked up the Prime Minister. I'd call that premature. I wonder if their "Joy of Assassination" record came with "Big Jim Slade", in case that happened?

197 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:39:30am

re: #181 laZardo

Point. But I don't think we should sink to their level. I think Sarah should give certified results as proof then declare the matter finished throughout the campaign, and if the rumormongers want to scream cover-up, well, the "campaign twoofers" will be the ones looking ridiculous afterwards.

Are you fucking kidding me?
WHAT OTHER CANDIDATE has had to PROVE that their child is their own?
Looking ridiculous?

The only one looking that way are the morons asking for this "proof"
Fuck off to ANYONE who thinks that the only female candidate should have to PROVE her child is hers.

198 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:39:34am

re: #183 Celtic Templar

My point exactly.

199 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:39:38am
200 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:39:39am

re: #188 SixDegrees

Whoever decided to pick Palin is a genius.

That'd be one John McCain.

201 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:39:39am

re: #166 galloping granny

Well you know, I would really rather that English teachers not teach English, because their personal biases, religious and otherwise, definitely do creep in to the literature they teach and the way in which they teach it.

English literature is not based on the scientific method. Interpretation is the name of its game. Your example is silly.

202 Padre  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:39:41am

jcm, russki, celtic, cyan, atheist,

Thanks, I get it. Keep it out of the science class. Present it later for older minds (8th grade +) in comparative religion or comparitive science module in science or some other course.

We don't need Judeo-Christian beliefs pushed unnecessarily, but I just don't want to see to teacher who says "kids, not everyone believes that science answers the entire issue of the beginning of the universe. Some believe the world was create by [God, god, Zod, whatever]" sent to re-education camp or jail or fired.

*lightbulbs*

203 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:40:03am

re: #155 Bobblehead

The media creeps are not going to let go of the meme that Gov. Palin is not the child's mother.

Nope. Simply state that the father is John Edwards. All of 'em. The media couldn't get out of the way fast enough when Edwards was involved in an affair and had a love-child, but now with a GOP woman, we're seeing the smear merchants getting in their licks.

204 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:40:12am

re: #197 Typicalwhitey

Right...sorry for stoking these flames then.

205 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:40:15am

re: #197 Typicalwhitey

See my #175

206 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:40:22am

My religion holds that God did, in fact, create us in His image, with absolutely no contradiction to the Bible. Jesus was, in fact, the Son of God.
When pressed on the issue of evolution, a "spokesman" said that what we physically looked like that far back in time wasn't the issue. The issue was that we were created in God's image.

And, God looks like what again?

207 Outrider  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:41:21am

re: #116 coquimbojoe

My concern is not so much that creationism is mentioned in school, its that a teacher religious biases will creep in. I am sure there are many who don't want me teaching creationism as put forth by my faith, and I know that I don't want my children being subjected to the faiths of others in the classroom. That my only beef with it. I will teach the faith at home.

Subject teachers to a "litmus test" before they are hired?
/

208 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:41:22am

re: #84 Bobblehead

Rush said that McCain's media guy has been contacted by so-called A-list reporters are demanding paternity tests on Sarah's baby.


Excuse me: (Language).

Those M.F. Sons-a-bitches.

And those words fail too.

209 DeafDog  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:41:30am

re: #191 Honorary Yooper

You mean it wasn't Vince Foster?

Which is why we need the test. Was it vince or Webb?

:-)

210 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:41:30am

Palin now also has to deal with her own pastor problems like re: #182 galloping granny

Actually, she IS Catholic according to Catholic doctrine. She was born Catholic. Whatever church she happens to attend these days. Three of them BTW - one at home, one in Juneau and a third in Anchorage.

No shes not. According to Catholic doctrine you are no longer a Catholic if you reject the church, which Palin has. And Palin herself has not even said she was baptized Catholic (unless someone has a link that shows otherwise)

211 maddogg  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:41:42am

re: #206 jwb7605

My religion holds that God did, in fact, create us in His image, with absolutely no contradiction to the Bible. Jesus was, in fact, the Son of God.
When pressed on the issue of evolution, a "spokesman" said that what we physically looked like that far back in time wasn't the issue. The issue was that we were created in God's image.

And, God looks like what again?

Charlton Heston.

212 looking closely  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:41:51am

re: #95 jordank

Then she should just do it and get it over with, that way she can say "See? I am the mother!" Otherwise if they keep ignoring the requests it will make her look guilty and/or look like she is hiding something.

Wrong.

She should let the MSM embarrass themselves asking for this ridiculous "proof" as long as they feel the need. This has no bearing on her candidacy.

If she yield here, what's next? Weekly drug tests? Open all her medical records for the last twenty years? All the rest of her families records too?

213 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:41:52am

re: #189 vagabond trader

Is she back in NYC?

Dunno - haven't checked lately. I'm still not sure whether or not she's a moving museum or a one port museum.

214 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:42:03am

re: #206 jwb7605

My religion holds that God did, in fact, create us in His image, with absolutely no contradiction to the Bible. Jesus was, in fact, the Son of God.
When pressed on the issue of evolution, a "spokesman" said that what we physically looked like that far back in time wasn't the issue. The issue was that we were created in God's image.

And, God looks like what again?

Um, well, He did present Himself as a pillar of fire to the Jews in Exodus, as well as a burning bush.

:-)

215 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:42:05am

re: #186 Fat Jolly Penguin

See littleoldlady's #147.

The major media did everything within its power to destroy the GW Bush campaigns as well. He was elected and the major media did not crumble.

216 Outrider  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:42:25am

re: #193 galloping granny

Close, but even the Nixon frenzy was not this bad.

But, it went on for much longer than this one will. I seem to recall it was pretty bad, even attempting to ruin his daughters wedding.

217 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:42:37am

re: #211 maddogg

Charlton Heston.

what are you trying for, a NOMINATION?

:-)

218 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:42:38am

re: #175 Nevergiveup

I think any time anyone again brings up anything to do with Sarah's kids, the standard answer should simply be "Fuck You". And when they look startled and reply -say again- we reply "Fuck You". Even those morons should finally get the point. So remember it's not just so no, it's just say "Fuck You".

I was discussing this with a coworker this morning. I think, as part of her speech this evening, Palin ought to spend some time introducing the nation to the party the GOP is running against, by reading quotes gleaned from the Democratic Underground and Daily Kos over the last few days. No comments, just, "Here are the thoughts of our opponents on my nomination."

I don't want to overhype expectations, but I think Palin's speech tonight will be well worth watching.

219 vapig  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:42:58am

re: #155 Bobblehead

The media creeps are not going to let go of the meme that Gov. Palin is not the child's mother.

They know he's her's. It's just their way of harassing her, throwing their power around and keeping her name in the news in a negative way.

220 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:42:59am

re: #210 jordank

Palin was born Catholic, but her family switched to an evangelical church when she was 8 years old. She considers herself a post-denominational Christian today.

221 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:43:09am

re: #206 jwb7605

Me?

222 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:43:28am

re: #136 A.W.

Okay, there is one weird thing there. She is talking about catholicism, but my understandign was she was not catholic. i remember hearing very specifically she will help with catholics, because even though she was not catholic she is anti-abortion, etc. Am i wrong, was my source wrong, or what?

Anti-abortion is part of Catholicism, so it will likely give her more support from Catholics.

223 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:43:35am

re: #204 laZardo

Sorry to rant but I don't think you understand how this is affecting women out here.

What an absolute INSULT to have to prove a child is yours.

Goes to the Islamic and others of those mindset of having to show the "bloody sheets' to PROVE you were a virgin.

GAHHHHHHH

224 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:43:36am

re: #206 jwb7605

Like, You?

225 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:43:37am

re: #176 zombie

Where is the evidence to back up either of the highlighted words? The article said she wanted some books with offensive language removed from children's access.

I know a great deal about how the far-far-left has taken over the library unions and how they use this power in an attempt to indoctrinate children. The take great delight in ordering books that promote leftist doctrine, and they also love ordering "racy" books to push the envelope.

If a local community doesn't want their teens or pre-teens reading books that contain swear words, they have the absolute right to request to have such books removed from the shelves of the public library. They are, after all, paying for that library. Some non-elected librarian does not have dictatorial rights to determine the reading habits of an entire community.

The voters of the city, through their elected representative (the mayor), can say what they do and do not want in their own library. This happens (usually invisibly) in every city in the country.

It has long been assumed that librarians were neutral, beneficent, and in concord with the sentiment of the local community, but that isn't always the case.

I couldn't agree more. As a homeschool teacher I buy about 200 books a year suitable for kids from 8-15 or 16. We have such an extensive library that the kiddo and her friends don't even bother with the local library. I spends hundreds of hours a year choosing and reviewing books for this age group. And even so, I still have a small shelf of books that are completely inappropriate for classroom use - or even at all. I won't burn them, but I don't use them either.

226 Bobblehead  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:43:40am

Rush just called a moby caller a provocative ass. Go Rush!

227 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:44:00am

re: #220 Kenneth

All good people are seamlessly connected at the deepest level.

228 Bobblehead  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:44:30am

What a day!

229 alegrias  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:44:33am

re: #113 galloping granny

I am so tempted to take a screen shot of Governor Sarah Palin's official government web page, print it up as posters and go paste them all over town. Or have it printed as postcards and mail them to everyone I know. Or take her official picture over the the US Postal service website and have it turned into stamps.

Sheesh!

* * *
Did Sarah Palin have an official seal as Governor of Alaska?

If so, Sarah Palin didn't have to make up a fake seal for herself--how much cooler than the Chicago Machine apparachik's fake seal!

230 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:44:42am

re: #215 StinkHammer

The major media did everything within its power to destroy the GW Bush campaigns as well. He was elected and the major media did not crumble.

I think the coverage of this election cycle is truly unique, and not just the Presidential part. What Hillary went through during the primaries was also unprecedented.

231 DeafDog  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:44:42am

re: #218 SixDegrees

I was discussing this with a coworker this morning. I think, as part of her speech this evening, Palin ought to spend some time introducing the nation to the party the GOP is running against, by reading quotes gleaned from the Democratic Underground and Daily Kos over the last few days. No comments, just, "Here are the thoughts of our opponents on my nomination."

I don't want to overhype expectations, but I think Palin's speech tonight will be well worth watching.

I would argue that is a bad idea. That just feeds the monster. Better to focus on her record and her expertize on Energy issues.

232 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:44:46am

re: #210 jordank

Hey man thanks - you help to sharpen my sword ;)

So you are going to question the woman's religiosity? Too bad she's not a black theologian and damning America?

Man, re-arm because that was a dud.

233 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:45:03am

re: #224 Cap'n DOC

Like, You?

I merely prove that He has a sense of humor.

234 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:45:04am

"I will vote for Sarah Palin because she has guts. We’ve never met, but I suspect I know something about her life, and so do a great many other women. I know what it means to have a son with Down syndrome. I know what it means to talk a good line about religious faith and then be asked to prove it. I know what it means to have a daughter pregnant and unmarried."

A Vote for Sarah Palin
By Suann Therese Maier
Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 7:51 AM

[Link: www.firstthings.com...]

Well worth the read

235 the lizard  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:45:07am

re: #183 Celtic Templar

Catholic High School in Philadelphia teaches evolution theory and not creationism. Theology classes teach Genesis, though and there are many open discussions that challenge both Genesis and evolution.

i went to catholic high school and this is exactly how it was taught there. in addition to required religious/theology classes, i took a comparative politics and learned about the major world religions plus athiesm and compared philosophies. i wish everyone could get that kind of broad knowledge in public schools.

236 looking closely  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:45:23am

re: #206 jwb7605


When pressed on the issue of evolution, a "spokesman" said that what we physically looked like that far back in time wasn't the issue. The issue was that we were created in God's image.

And, God looks like what again?

Its actually extremely simple.

If man was created in the image of God, then God looks like man. In other words, according to the most straightforward interpretation of Judeo-Christian theology, there is an anthropomorphic diety.

In Genesis 3:8, it states clearly that Adam and Eve heard the sound of God walking in the Garden, and then hid themselves.

How could he walk in the Garden if he didn't have feet and legs?

237 nikis-knight  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:45:34am

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

Um, well, He did present Himself as a pillar of fire to the Jews in Exodus, as well as a burning bush.

:-)

Yes. But biblically, image doesn't mean appearance, more of a representative. I also heard it said that the verse can be translated as "to be his image" which would actually support evolution in a wide reading.

238 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:45:57am

re: #226 Bobblehead

Rush just called a moby caller a provocative ass. Go Rush!

...and cut him a new hole to boot!

239 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:46:13am

re: #223 Typicalwhitey

Wish I could +ding+ you more than once!

/boiling blood...

240 Alouette  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:46:25am

re: #81 laZardo

I say let them have the test results. I'd love to see what happens when they get the proof that she really is his mother.

Here is a homework assignment for you (and any other lizards who may be interested)

Go to your local Blockbuster and rent the 2000 film The Contender, to see what Hollywood thinks if a LIBERAL woman VP candidate were treated like the media treats Sarah Palin.

241 jcm  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:46:27am

re: #202 Padre

jcm, russki, celtic, cyan, atheist,

Thanks, I get it. Keep it out of the science class. Present it later for older minds (8th grade +) in comparative religion or comparitive science module in science or some other course.

We don't need Judeo-Christian beliefs pushed unnecessarily, but I just don't want to see to teacher who says "kids, not everyone believes that science answers the entire issue of the beginning of the universe. Some believe the world was create by [God, god, Zod, whatever]" sent to re-education camp or jail or fired.

*lightbulbs*

The secondary issue is forcing the issue, especially in public schools, is rife with unintended consequences. The main being if, my beliefs (Evangelical Christian) get made part of the curriculum, everyone will demand equal time and rightly so. Now will have a already crowded schedule, adding courses for every religion or faith system imaginable.

Rather than deal with that, I'll teach faith at home.

242 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:46:36am
Catholicism doesn’t teach authoritatively on evolution or the origins of life, but we do believe that God is our Creator.


Wrong: The Vatican's View of Evolution: The Story of Two Popes

Evolution, a doctrine that Pius XII only acknowledged as an unfortunate possibility, John Paul accepts forty-six years later “as an effectively proven fact.”

243 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:46:38am

re: #210 jordank

You are sadly but surely misinformed about Catholicism.

244 Charles  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:46:57am

An interesting point about that interview with Jindal linked above: the proponents of the La. "academic freedom" stealth creationist bill have loudly insisted that it has nothing to do with the teaching of creationism -- but Jindal doesn't even deny it. He accepts that statement of the interviewer as a fact.

245 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:47:11am

re: #190 laZardo

To be honest, I don't think it'd really matter either way. I definitely know the body will die and rot, and unless I achieve historical prominence, I'll eventually be completely forgotten.

An atheist has that to look forward to, yes. On the other hand, for example, I believe that God, The Father gathers his children to Him because he loves and cherishes us.

246 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:47:32am

re: #211 maddogg

Charlton Heston.

I thought it was Morgan Freeman?

247 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:47:33am

re: #212 looking closely

Wrong.

She should let the MSM embarrass themselves asking for this ridiculous "proof" as long as they feel the need. This has no bearing on her candidacy.

Completely agree. The media is trying to get away with asking, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" The best response is to ignore them, and let their behavior work to your advantage.

248 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:47:33am

re: #201 StinkHammer

English literature is not based on the scientific method. Interpretation is the name of its game. Your example is silly.

Forbidding all discussion of a topic because it is not "part of the scientific" method is "silly" - and in fact, not a true part of the scientific method, which stipulates that you must consider all possibilities. (And I should know that, because I AM a scientist.)

Furthermore, if you will turn on your brain cells and actually read what I wrote, you might notice that I was applying to a specific part of the post, the one where the poster said he did not want the teacher's religious views sneaking into science class.

I stand by my comment. The teacher's religious or not point of view and all of their individual biases sneaks into every subject in every school.

249 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:47:47am

re: #213 Intrepid

Dunno - haven't checked lately. I'm still not sure whether or not she's a moving museum or a one port museum.

Looks like she's still in New York.

250 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:48:04am

re: #239 littleoldlady

Wish I could +ding+ you more than once!

/boiling blood...

I have never in my life been so upset about the treatment of another woman.
And you and I are not the only ones!
This will create a backlash of epic proportions after her speech tonight ,I believe that with all my heart.

251 maddogg  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:48:16am

re: #246 CyanSnowHawk

I thought it was Morgan Freeman?

He'll do...

252 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:48:27am

re: #241 jcm

Where it belongs.

253 Irene NYC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:48:30am

re: #173 StinkHammer

Interesting, but I don't see how Palin's winning the VP spot will ruin the major media.

The msm is already in big trouble. The NYT, etc. are watching their revenues goes down, down, down while the left cable and network news are holding on by a thread, Americans have new platforms coming down the pipeline, and younger Americans don't even watch serious news programs or read newspapers anymore.

As they're constituted now, a push and a shove and they're history.
;)

254 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:48:40am

re: #235 the lizard

No, we're forced to pay for socialist re-education and Catholic high school here. I feel like I sin when I see how much in public school taxes we pay. It's like paying to indoctrinate children with liberal non-sense. I know the curriculum, it is multicultural, anti-majority brainwashing - and I feel guilty and angry that it happens.

255 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:48:42am

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

Um, well, He did present Himself as a pillar of fire to the Jews in Exodus, as well as a burning bush.

:-)

NO THIRD TERM FOR BUSH!

256 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:48:51am

re: #240 Alouette

Here is a homework assignment for you (and any other lizards who may be interested)

Go to your local Blockbuster and rent the 2000 film The Contender, to see what Hollywood thinks if a LIBERAL woman VP candidate were treated like the media treats Sarah Palin.

This was discussed on a previous thread somewhere. Wasn't there some minor controversy about Gary Oldman (who played the nasty Republican heavy) being disappointed about the way conservatives/Republicans were portrayed in that film? Don't have time to research it now . . .

257 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:49:03am

re: #249 Fat Jolly Penguin

Looks like she's still in New York.

The " Intrepid" is being renovated in a ship yard outside of Philadelphia and will return to NY when work is complete.

258 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:49:12am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

The Current Pope's view:

Pope Benedict has referred to the debate between creationists and supporters of evolutionary theory as an "absurdity":

"They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other," the pope said. "This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such."
On the other hand, there are certain questions that evolutionary theory can never answer: "Above all it does not answer the great philosophical question, 'Where does everything come from?'" Christians, thus, can learn truth from science, but scientists must learn to accept the limits of their own work. No scientific investigation can ever prove that God does not exist, or that He did not create the world, or even that man is only the sum of his physical parts.

LINK

259 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:49:21am

re: #236 looking closely

Its actually extremely simple.

If man was created in the image of God, then God looks like man. In other words, according to the most straightforward interpretation of Judeo-Christian theology, there is an anthropomorphic diety.

In Genesis 3:8, it states clearly that Adam and Eve heard the sound of God walking in the Garden, and then hid themselves.

How could he walk in the Garden if he didn't have feet and legs?

I get a different take on the word "image". Mine is more spiritual than physical.

And with apologies, I'm going to sign off now, because another tenant of my Faith is that "it would be better not to have religion than to have religions that are at war constantly".

260 wolfie  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:49:25am

re: #136 A.W.

Okay, there is one weird thing there. She is talking about catholicism, but my understandign was she was not catholic. i remember hearing very specifically she will help with catholics, because even though she was not catholic she is anti-abortion, etc. Am i wrong, was my source wrong, or what?

She was baptized a Catholic, so I assume her parents were Catholic. She now attends Protestant churches of different denominations...(depends on where she is.) In Wasilla she attended an Assemblies of God church, I believe.

261 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:49:51am

re: #245 Peacekeeper

And paraphrasing what you've said, you'll know if your goodness will be rewarded at the end of your life.

As it were.

262 alegrias  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:49:53am

re: #178 lifeofthemind

Rush is good. BTW does Rush know Sally Quinn has a genetically damaged child? Why is she daring to do anything out of the house?

* * *
Sally Quinn and her husband Ben Bradlee are proud they helped topple Richard Nixon.

263 runrabbitrun  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:50:17am

re: #159 jaunte

That Time mag piece on Palin is a hatchet job.
"...according to some [rivals] who were involved in that fight, Palin was a highly polarizing political figure..."

According to some readers, Nathan Thornburgh is not a journalist, but a partisan hack grasping at poorly documented straws.

Anytime you take on an entrenched network of powerful hacks, cronies, and thieves, you knowingly paint a target on your back, which requires exactly the same kind of emotional, intellectual, and often physical courage as one needs to earn a medal in a shooting war. Sarah Palin has that kind of guts beyond measure, while the Donks haven't the grits to even say who they are.

264 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:50:24am

re: #257 Nevergiveup

The " Intrepid" is being renovated in a ship yard outside of Philadelphia and will return to NY when work is complete.

Oh! I guess that's why the page I linked says "Intrepid Museum Complex Re-Opening November 8, 2008." Duh.

265 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:50:36am

re: #231 DeafDog

I would argue that is a bad idea. That just feeds the monster. Better to focus on her record and her expertize on Energy issues.

Probably so. It was just one of those nice fantasy moments. I agree that sticking to accomplishments is probably the best strategy; the response to the media circus from large majorities is overwhelmingly negative from what I've seen and heard, and the disgust is by no means limited to Republicans. So that's a problem that's taking care of itself.

266 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:50:39am

re: #223 Typicalwhitey

Sorry to rant but I don't think you understand how this is affecting women out here.

What an absolute INSULT to have to prove a child is yours.

Goes to the Islamic and others of those mindset of having to show the "bloody sheets' to PROVE you were a virgin.

GAHHHHHHH

And not just women. Every parent in the land. Since when does ANY American under ANY circumstance other than disputed custody (and even then only in a court of law, the proceedings of which are closed to the public) EVER have to prove the parentage of their child by DNA.

If Sarah Palin is made to do this then this will become the de facto "law" for every woman in the country.

The MSM has absolutely NO right - by LAW - to DNA test results for Sarah Palin's children. EVER.

267 Maximu§  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:50:41am

re: #254 Celtic Templar

and I feel guilty and angry that it happens.

Us Catholics are always feeling guilty, perhaps for good reason!

268 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:51:11am

re: #246 CyanSnowHawk

re: #211 maddogg
Charlton Heston.

I thought it was Morgan Freeman?

Then again, I always thought it was George Burns...

269 right_on_target  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:51:31am

Read Angry Journalist #6502:
on [Link: angryjournalist.com...] is one of the few of the MSM that seems to get it.

270 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:51:45am

re: #262 alegrias

Sally Quinn and her husband Ben Bradlee are proud they helped topple Richard Nixon.

Wow, what a feat, considering that Nixon hurt himself much more than anyone hurt him. If Nixon weren't so damn paranoid, and just been more forthright with people, he would've finished his second term.

271 the lizard  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:51:48am

re: #254 Celtic Templar

My parents felt the same way when they made the choice to give me a real education than allow me to wallow in the hole that is the Denver Public School system.

272 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:51:58am

re: #249 Fat Jolly Penguin

I think she's there pretty much permanently. I know a pilot (still alive, AMOF) who's had his picture taken in the ready room standing in front of a picture of him and his squadron. I've seen his charred flight log, which was burned in the Kamikaze attack that almost disabled the ship. Quite a story.

273 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:52:08am

re: #261 laZardo

I already know. But that's a story I'm not prepared to present here. I doubt it would mean much to people if I did.

274 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:52:38am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

I'm surprised that didn't shake up the Church as much as a revelation like that would...

/no pun intended

275 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:52:50am

re: #262 alegrias

* * *
Sally Quinn and her husband Ben Bradlee are proud they helped topple Richard Nixon.

Well somebody should break the news to those 2 old farts that Nixon is dead and that war is over. We are in a new war now. It's called the war on terror. And they should either get in line and help or get out of the way.

276 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:52:55am

I expect Sarah Palin will answer her critics directly and honestly in her speech tonight. Unfortunately, not many Americans will hear it because most of the media won't be covering it. What little coverage it will get will involve selected outtakes, misquotes and spin-doctoring.

This election is too important to allow the American public the chance to learn what's really at stake.

277 maddogg  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:52:58am

OT
The election is all about leadership. I wouldn't ask Obama for directions to the men's room. I would follow McCain into desperate battle. I guess there is the difference for me.

278 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:53:04am

re: #255 Peacekeeper

Zing, and upding. LOL.

279 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:53:09am

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

Um, well, He did present Himself as a pillar of fire to the Jews in Exodus, as well as a burning bush.

:-)

Oh No! Tell me he doesn't look like Carrot Top!

280 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:53:10am

re: #71 Honorary Yooper

Aside from the ever-venerable Weekly World News, they are not fit for toilet paper.

/I want my Bat Boy stories back! :-)

I really liked the piece about the "Alien Slave Camp in South Carolina!" complete with photos. I know it's true because they had photos..

281 Irene NYC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:53:21am

re: #201 StinkHammer

re: #166 galloping granny

Well you know, I would really rather that English teachers not teach English, because their personal biases, religious and otherwise, definitely do creep in to the literature they teach and the way in which they teach it.

English literature is not based on the scientific method. Interpretation is the name of its game. Your example is silly.

Stinkhammer, I think you're off base here. Interpretation is not the name of the game in English these days. It's post-modern, or post-post-modernism. And both of those are ideologies.

282 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:53:25am

re: #268 Spiny Norman

re: #246 CyanSnowHawk

re: #211 maddogg
Charlton Heston.


I thought it was Morgan Freeman?


Then again, I always thought it was George Burns...

Oh, God.

283 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:53:31am

re: #267 Maximu§

It is for good reason, we have an example of a perfect life in our beliefs and we are surrounded by imperfection, some evil, some ignorant. I can only forgive and speak my mind (and vote).

284 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:53:48am

Media meme:

If she had have just said no to the offer of VP then she wouldn't have exposed her daughter to this.

=
She must like being beaten, otherwise she would leave.

American woman will flock to her mark my words.

285 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:53:50am

re: #258 Ojoe

Christians, thus, can learn truth from science, but scientists must learn to accept the limits of their own work. No scientific investigation can ever prove that God does not exist, or that He did not create the world, or even that man is only the sum of his physical parts.


This is where I part company with Benedict. The idea that scientists are working to disprove god is simply not true. There are evangelical atheists like Dawkins but he's not a working scientist. The average working scientist is simply trying to figure things out, not advance an ideological agenda.

286 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:54:33am

Rush is slapping down Mark Shields, I heard that and thought the same things Rush is saying.

287 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:54:57am

re: #257 Nevergiveup

The " Intrepid" is being renovated in a ship yard outside of Philadelphia and will return to NY when work is complete.

Wrong.

She's berthed at Staten Island, where you can see her from the SI Railway or even the Brooklyn waterfront. She's going to be returning to her pier in Manhattan in time for Veterans Day. October 2 is her scheduled return to Pier 86, with a grand reopening for Veterans Day.

288 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:55:27am

re: #266 galloping granny

Well said!

The Four Stages of Conservative Female Abuse

The final stage of CFA is dehumanization. Conservative women aren't real women according to the liberal feminist establishment's definition.

289 alegrias  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:55:35am

re: #187 vapig

I concur. I'm tired of these people believing that anything private is their right to air and view.

* * *
Just don't air THEIR private laundry, like John Edwards' other, not so secret family's campaign-financed details.

290 Maximu§  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:55:35am

re: #283 Celtic Templar

It is for good reason, we have an example of a perfect life in our beliefs and we are surrounded by imperfection, some evil, some ignorant. I can only forgive and speak my mind (and vote).

Amen to that. Don't get me wrong, I was not belittling your post.

291 wolfie  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:55:43am

re: #176 zombie

Well said.
Thank you!

292 J.S.  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:55:52am

I've had to stop watching CNN -- whether it's Campbell Brown or that other one Soledad (?) (she's hosting some morning political program and it's non-stop "Bash the RNC" time). Like we don't know that CNN is being funded by the Democrats? They are deranged. Utterly disgusting. Especially when they outright tell themselves and viewers that they're "objective." Yeah, define that term, please. Anyway, I'm going back to radio (Internet, etc.)...

293 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:56:00am

re: #244 Charles

An interesting point about that interview with Jindal linked above: the proponents of the La. "academic freedom" stealth creationist bill have loudly insisted that it has nothing to do with the teaching of creationism -- but Jindal doesn't even deny it. In fact, he accepts that statement of the interviewer as a fact.

Charles, I have stated this before and I will again. I have just exactly two criteria on which I will always vote against the proponent - infanticide and assisted suicide of the elderly & infirm in lieu of medical care. Everything else is negotiable.

Bobby Jindal is one of the brightest stars to entire the political arena in decades. I strongly feel that he has a real shot down the road to be the first minority POTUS.

Creationism v. darwinism is not something I'm willing to throw him overboard over. Now if he was advocating infanticide like Obama does . . . .

294 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:56:06am

re: #258 Ojoe

...or even that man is only the sum of his physical parts.

Man is, only we're still trying to figure out the addends and multiplicands to that sum.

/veeeeery complex sum...

295 Killer Tomato  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:56:21am

Call me crazy, but I'm starting to think the reason they're attacking her children (rather than her) is in the hope that at some point she'd get emotional or tear up and then they could replay that clip over and over and over... using it to show that she was 'weak' or too 'emotional' for the job, etc., etc.

296 looking closely  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:56:32am

re: #259 jwb7605

I get a different take on the word "image". Mine is more spiritual than physical.

And with apologies, I'm going to sign off now, because another tenant [tenet] of my Faith is that "it would be better not to have religion than to have religions that are at war constantly".

I make no claims as the appearance of God, or on what is the "right" Judeo-Christian belief there.

All I'm saying is that the most straightforward interpretation of what's written in the Old Testament is that man physically resembles God (and vice versa).

With the obvious caveat that some people believe the Old Testament is literally true, and some don't, its up to you to decide what the "correct" belief is, or what you want to believe.

297 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:56:39am

re: #287 lawhawk

Wrong.

She's berthed at Staten Island, where you can see her from the SI Railway or even the Brooklyn waterfront. She's going to be returning to her pier in Manhattan in time for Veterans Day. October 2 is her scheduled return to Pier 86, with a grand reopening for Veterans Day.

I stand corrected. Personally, I try to stay out of Manhattan.

298 maddogg  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:57:27am

re: #295 Killer Tomato

Call me crazy, but I'm starting to think the reason they're attacking her children (rather than her) is in the hope that at some point she'd get emotional or tear up and then they could replay that clip over and over and over... using it to show that she was 'weak' or too 'emotional' for the job, etc., etc.

They might have a long wait, Palin isn't Hillary.

299 alegrias  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:57:29am

re: #223 Typicalwhitey

Sorry to rant but I don't think you understand how this is affecting women out here.

What an absolute INSULT to have to prove a child is yours.

Goes to the Islamic and others of those mindset of having to show the "bloody sheets' to PROVE you were a virgin.

GAHHHHHHH

* * *
Like I said above, democrats are now the Taliban anti-women party. They won't be happy until non-democrat women are wearing burqas.

Note how little democrats care that women are forced to wear burqas.

300 Perplexed  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:57:36am

re: #295 Killer Tomato

Call me crazy, but I'm starting to think the reason they're attacking her children (rather than her) is in the hope that at some point she'd get emotional or tear up and then they could replay that clip over and over and over... using it to show that she was 'weak' or too 'emotional' for the job, etc., etc.

Bad move on the part of anyone who attempts that.

301 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:57:51am

I hope every man in this country with a daughter understands that if this is allowed to continue...
then if their daughter wants to become a conservative running for office she will be treated the same.

I have to hand it to Todd Palin.
My husband would already be in handcuffs for assault.

302 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:57:54am

re: #290 Maximu§

Didn't think you were - no worries.

303 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:58:36am

re: #295 Killer Tomato

Call me crazy, but I'm starting to think the reason they're attacking her children (rather than her) is in the hope that at some point she'd get emotional or tear up and then they could replay that clip over and over and over... using it to show that she was 'weak' or too 'emotional' for the job, etc., etc.

Huh, good insight ... wow, could the MSM be that simple minded?

304 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:58:45am

Compulsory fasting for all

Later this month it's Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year. It's one of the holiest days of the Jewish calendar, so I'd be obliged, please, if you'd all stay at home, turn off the TV and refrain from your usual activities. Ten days after that it's Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, when Jews fast and spend the day in synagogue. So I've also asked my Times colleagues not to work then. And I will be mightily offended if I learn afterwards that any of them have been eating.

You might not think I am being serious. But if I was Head of Democratic Services at Tower Hamlets Council in East London, I would be. Last week John Williams e-mailed each of the borough's 51 councillors with a similar instruction.

For the duration of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, they are, he told them - every one of them, Muslim, Catholic, Jew or atheist - to behave during council meetings as strict Muslims. They are not to eat or drink; they are to break for Muslim prayers; they are to do as they are ordered by the Muslim religion.

305 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:58:50am

re: #301 Typicalwhitey

I hope every man in this country with a daughter understands that if this is allowed to continue...
then if their daughter wants to become a conservative running for office she will be treated the same.

I have to hand it to Todd Palin.
My husband would already be in handcuffs for assault.

I think your husband and I would get along. Cell mates maybe?

306 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:58:51am

re: #248 galloping granny

Forbidding all discussion of a topic because it is not "part of the scientific" method is "silly" - and in fact, not a true part of the scientific method, which stipulates that you must consider all possibilities. (And I should know that, because I AM a scientist.)

Furthermore, if you will turn on your brain cells and actually read what I wrote, you might notice that I was applying to a specific part of the post, the one where the poster said he did not want the teacher's religious views sneaking into science class.

I stand by my comment. The teacher's religious or not point of view and all of their individual biases sneaks into every subject in every school.

My brain cells ARE turned on, thank you -- apparently they just aren't as worthy of note as your mighty Scientist ones.

Now if you'll turn on YOUR (obviously mightier than mine) brain cells and actually read MY (above post) you'll see that I in no way advocated that "all discussion" of any topic that is "not part of the scientific method" should be dismissed. You were subtly equating the teaching of English literature with the teaching of evolutionary theory. The two are not compatible examples because Literature DEPENDS upon personal interpretation (biases); the basic scientific method which bolsters evolutionary theory does not (although interpretations of the findings of that method may indeed vary.)

So spare me the condescending, smarter-than-thou preaching based on your supposedly superior scientific credentials.

307 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:59:01am

re: #17 coquimbojoe

Easy as that. If the two don't reconcile in your mind, deal with it at home.

Science examines how He pulled it off. Theology examines why and for whom. Mix the two & you get nonsense.

308 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 9:59:11am

1 AM and I'm heading to bed. Apologies to Typicalwhitey for pissing her off...and g'night to all.

309 laZardo  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:00:29am

re: #295 Killer Tomato

Possible, but then there are those movie-esque moments when the crowd realizes what just happened and sympathizes with the victim.

/can't remember which movies, but it can happen.

//hrrrrgh, g'night

310 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:00:36am

re: #293 galloping granny


Bobby Jindal is one of the brightest stars to entire the political arena in decades. I strongly feel that he has a real shot down the road to be the first minority POTUS.

For better or worse, support for teaching Creationism in public schools is a total deal killer. There's nothing like radiating ignorance to kill your chances at national office. And rightly so.

We're fighting a war right now against forces who want to institutionalize their religion in all aspects of life. Putting one of their bedfellows in charge of the country is not a good message to send, nor a place where I want the country to go. I see no difference at all between the Taliban and the IDers; they both want exactly the same thing.

311 J.S.  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:00:52am

re: #276 Kenneth

I've noticed that there's another lie being spread by Dems (?), the Uninformed...and this has to do with a mis-quote (or a quote taken out of context and then spun by the Obamatons, KKKos-ers, etc.) and that has to do with Sarah Palin expressing pride (about her daughter). The guttersnipes spin this as suggesting that Palin is "proud" that her daughter's pregnant... In actuality, Sarah Palin expressed her pride that her daughter has chosen to keep the child -- not abort the baby. That's why the mother is proud of her daughter's choice...which is wholly different from the guttersnipe smear that somehow Palin is proud of her daughter's premarital sex...Again, the mother is proud that her daughter has not chosen to abort the unborn child.

312 Alouette  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:01:01am

re: #128 jordank

Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little
Cheep cheep cheep, talk a lot, pick a little more
Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep

Professor, her kind of woman doesn't belong on any committee.
Of course, I shouldn't tell you this but she advocates dirty books.

Dirty books!

Chaucer!
Rabelais!
Balzac!

313 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:01:01am

re: #304 Ben Hur

Compulsory fasting for all

2 words; fuck that.

314 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:01:22am

The Palins arriving in Minneapolis. Bristol and Levi hand in hand. Good for them!

316 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:01:43am

re: #314 Nevergiveup

The Palins arriving in Minneapolis. Bristol and Levi hand in hand. Good for them!

On FOX now

317 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:01:50am

re: #305 Nevergiveup

LOL

318 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:01:59am

re: #234 Nevergiveup

Wow.
That is awesome.
Thanks for the link.

319 Charles  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:02:03am

re: #293 galloping granny

Charles, I have stated this before and I will again. I have just exactly two criteria on which I will always vote against the proponent - infanticide and assisted suicide of the elderly & infirm in lieu of medical care. Everything else is negotiable.

Bobby Jindal is one of the brightest stars to entire the political arena in decades. I strongly feel that he has a real shot down the road to be the first minority POTUS.

Creationism v. darwinism is not something I'm willing to throw him overboard over. Now if he was advocating infanticide like Obama does . . . .

Violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is something I am willing to throw him overboard for.

320 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:02:10am

re: #128 jordank

You miss the point. I walked through my public library a couple of years ago, and all the teenage kids on the computers were on porn sites.

I complained to the librarian. I think I have a right to insist that my tax dollars aren't being spent to enable some teenage males to indulge their pornographic sexual fantasies. They can get a job, and pay for their own dirty websites! ;-)

321 Nevergiveup  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:02:24am

re: #316 Nevergiveup

On FOX now

Both Bristol and Levi given BIG and WARM welcome by McCain

322 Alouette  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:02:42am

And the worst thing
Of course, I shouldn't tell you this but-
I'll tell.
The man lived on my street, let me tell.
Stop! I'll tell.
She made brazen overtures to a man who never had a friend
In this town till she came here.

Oh, yes, that woman made brazen overtures
With a gilt-edged guarantee
She had a golden glint in her eye
And a silver voice with a counterfeit ring
Just melt her down and you'll reveal
A lump of lead as cold as steel
Here, where a woman's heart should be!

He left River City the library building
But he left all the books to her
Chaucer!
Rabelais!
Balzac!

323 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:03:05am

re: #243 Cap'n DOC

You are sadly but surely misinformed about Catholicism.

Catholicism isn't like Judaism where born a Jew, always a Jew. You are not Catholic until baptized, and even then if you renounce the church then you are kicked out the door as far as membership is concerned. Please provide me documentation if I am wrong.

324 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:03:32am

re: #281 Irene NYC

Stinkhammer, I think you're off base here. Interpretation is not the name of the game in English these days. It's post-modern, or post-post-modernism. And both of those are ideologies.

I must be missing your point. I asserted that English literature (as tought in the University) depends upon interpretation (it was my Major, so I have some experience with that phenomenon), whereas the basis of the scientific process is one based on specific methodology that is beyond interpretation (the RESULTS, however, of that methodology are what are subject to interpretation.) How does that make me off-base?

325 looking closely  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:03:40am

re: #295 Killer Tomato

Call me crazy, but I'm starting to think the reason they're attacking her children (rather than her) is in the hope that at some point she'd get emotional or tear up and then they could replay that clip over and over and over... using it to show that she was 'weak' or too 'emotional' for the job, etc., etc.

The simple reason they're attacking her children is because there is no other line of attack for them.

They're bankrupt, and it shows.

The joy here is that the ones attacking Palin think that pointing out that her kid is pregnant is going to hurt her among evangelicals, when in fact just the opposite is true. It *helps* her, because instead of aborting the baby, she's stepping up to the plate, getting married, and having the kid.

326 Basho  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:03:48am

re: #34 Padre

What is the big deal with teaching, "Class, some people view the creation of the world as being the work of God, and believe such and such....?"

Why is presenting more than one side of the issue so bad? It is not religious indoctrination.

IT IS NOT INDOCTRINATION!

Are some afraid that evolution will NOT be taught? Am I missing the big point?

Agreed. My belief that biker mice from mars created the Earth should also be presented.

327 Colin Nelson  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:03:55am

#292 JS. and Moe Katz Fyi here is text of email sent to CBC this morning.

The ugly fabrication about the Palin pregnancy first appeared on Daily Kos on Saturday.

On Monday the Palin family announced the pregnancy of their daughter in part to end the reckless speculation caused by the Kos blog. By Tuesday the outrage over this now obvious smear was so strong that Daily Kos deleted the post and all others by the same author.

MacDonald had already reported on this story on Monday night. By Tuesday it was clearly destroyed as a credible item yet MacDonald and the network chose to run with it again on Tuesday night. What on earth were the people who run The National thinking? What ethical or journalistic questions were asked before the decision was made to repeat what by any measure was an already discredited disgusting and vile accusation.

Finally on what empirical basis did MacDonald conclude that the Republicans at the convention were wondering about and doubting McCain's choice? That take does not match anything evident at the convention or anything I have seen on television or read in newspapers. Once again the clear liberal democratic vice republican bias that permeates CBC's news service has brought discredit to the network and mocks Canadians who look to the CBC for fair and balanced reporting, particularly on crucial political matters.

328 doppelganglander  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:04:24am

Here's a synopsis of The Contender from imdb.com:

After his Vice-president suddenly dies, the President (Jeff Bridges) who is near the end of his final term, decides to leave a legacy by selecting a woman to fill the position. Enter a Senator (Joan Allen), who has shifted from the Republican Party to the Democratic. Initially appearing to be the perfect candidate, an allegation suddenly appears that she had been involved in a sexual orgy as a 19 year old in college. The confirmation committee chairman (Gary Oldman), a Republican, leaks the information to the press, while using the press discussion as a forum to bring it into the hearings. The chairman desires to get a Governor (William Petersen) into the office. The Governor had become a national hero when he attempted to rescue a young woman from a car that crashed from a bridge into deep water near where the Governor had been fishing.

I don't even know where to start with the stupidity and unexamined bias. Maybe my favorite part is the William Peterson character, who is clearly an alternate history version of Teddy the Swimmer. Hey, let's start a rumor that Obama was involved in an orgy at Harvard Law! Go ahead, Bambi, prove it isn't true.

329 jcm  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:04:30am

re: #304 Ben Hur

Compulsory fasting for all

Does that mean everyone is too be strict pagan at the solstice and dance around nekkid?

330 opnion  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:05:04am

re: #301 Typicalwhitey

I hope every man in this country with a daughter understands that if this is allowed to continue...
then if their daughter wants to become a conservative running for office she will be treated the same.

I have to hand it to Todd Palin.
My husband would already be in handcuffs for assault.

I agree with that ,. I have a daughter. I am sure that the campaign is restraining Todd Palin.

331 Dave the.....[deleted]  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:05:24am
332 Charles  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:05:40am

re: #128 jordank

Having the mayor threaten to fire you if you don't ban some book because some fundamentalist complained about a book showing witches isn't exactly my idea of a free society. Sounds more like a story I would expect to hear in Saudi Arabia.

You're making things up.

The article says nothing about "fundamentalists" or "witches," and the whole story about "banning books" comes from a pissed-off political opponent of Palin's, who she beat in an election.

Another baseless smear.

333 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:05:48am
334 Cartman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:06:09am

Boy, the MSM and the left are now truly in full attack mode on Palin. I'm sure she was given ample warning this would happen, but I'm guessing that she was still not prepared for the outright vicious personal assaults that have already occurred. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The left knows no boundaries when it comes to character assassination, and that is always their goal. Their M.O. is destruction, not critique. What we are witnessing is the inhumanity of a morally bankrupt ideology and its legions. These people need to be relentlessly and unmercifully exposed as the societal scourge that they are.

335 StinkHammer  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:06:40am

Out the door now -- so those who have contentions against my assertions will have to play another day.

;^)

336 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:06:56am

re: #332 Charles

You're making things up.

The article says nothing about "fundamentalists" or "witches," and the whole story about "banning books" comes from a pissed-off political opponent of Palin's, who she beat in an election.

Another baseless smear.

I have no idea who complained about what book or for what reason they wanted it gone from the library, but considering how many people wanted Harry Potter banned, I think my guess is pretty damn accurate

337 WrathofG-d  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:07:05am

"anti-Islam"? What exactly makes this film "Anti-Islam"?

Is it because it links Islam to terrorism? If so does that make OBL "Anti-Islam", Muhammad "anti-Islam", and every other Islamic terrorist "Anti-Islam"?

Bias in the media?.....nahhhhhh

338 looking closely  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:07:21am

re: #319 Charles

Violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is something I am willing to throw him overboard for.


That's pretty broad, but specifically, if he pushes Creationism as science within the classroom he loses my support.

Simply put, that is not the sort of forward-looking educational platform I'd like to see from the POTUS, and I think its a big deal.

(IMO Elected State or Federal Chief Executives shouldn't be micro-managing school curricula anyway, though that is somewhat of a separate matter).

Of course, whether or not he gets my VOTE is something else. Then I have to weigh the totality of his positions against those of his opponent.

339 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:07:23am

So the scurrilous lies about the Palins go around the world how many times while the truth is still tying its shoes? Maybe tonight we start running. I sure hope so.

340 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:07:31am

re: #319 Charles

Violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is something I am willing to throw him overboard for.

The Establishment Clause applies to the establishment of a state religion ala the Church of England. It does not apply to any and all discussion of religion.

I find it exceedingly strange that the very same people that accept the teaching of Islam in schools - including dressing up as muslim and repeating the shahada - go absolutely bonkers over the idea that some kid might ask how one reconciles a religious belief that God created the world with the scientific evidence of evolution.

Not a deal breaker for me.

341 Charles  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:07:36am

No phone numbers allowed.

342 maddogg  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:07:46am

re: #331 Dave the.....

Thats funny. One thing that never gets me nervous is a peacenik, I'm meaner than they can even comprehend.

343 realwest  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:07:55am

Hey y'all - are we still on topic? Cause I think Palin is doing the right thing: she's not pushing for religion to be taught in the public schools. She HAS said that if it (creationism) should come up in discussion, that she has no problem with it's being discussed.
Big difference there: IF it comes us, discuss vs. Make sure it DOES COME UP and as part of the school curriculum.
Clearly Palin is the opposite of Jindal on this.

344 Charles  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:09:14am

re: #338 looking closely

That's pretty broad, but specifically, if he pushes Creationism as science within the classroom he loses my support.

Well - that's exactly what he is doing, and he's not just talking about it, he's signing bills into law.

345 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:09:19am

Rush taking on female talking heads with children.

346 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:10:22am
considering how many people wanted Harry Potter banned, I think my guess is pretty damn accurate

Oh, man. This one is lame. Time to open registration and get some new ones.

347 SpartanWoman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:10:32am

re: #345 Ben Hur

Rush taking on female talking heads with children.

He's being pretty wonderful today, pointing out the stupidity of the media and its double standards.

Well done, Rush

348 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:10:59am

re: #323 jordank

Catholicism isn't like Judaism where born a Jew, always a Jew. You are not Catholic until baptized, and even then if you renounce the church then you are kicked out the door as far as membership is concerned. Please provide me documentation if I am wrong.

This is completely untrue. Ranks right up there with Pelosi's rather circular argument regarding the Church's view of abortion.

The Catholic church regards all children born to Catholic parents - or even one Catholic parent - to be Catholic. Baptism has to do with the afterlife, not whether or not one is regarded as Catholic by the catholic church. Individuals are free to denounce the church if they care to do so, but the Catholic Church will nonetheless regard them as Catholics. Teddy Kennedy is one of those.

349 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:11:04am

re: #346 wrenchwench

Prove me wrong

350 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:11:05am

Sorry, repost....go to the web site and the radio stations phone number is there for anyone wishing to discuss with them the support of violence. Below is from a local radio station that all year has been encouraging violence against Republican delegates in St Paul. They have been working with the anarchists.

Thursday, Sept 4: Anti-War Committee, No Peace for the War Makers! March, 4PM State Capitol, St Paul
4PM, the AWC starts a rally and march to the Xcel from the state capitol. This is billed as a "rowdy march", and I don't think they're asking for a permit. They may try to take down the fence around the Xcel Center. Expect arrests. This is the evening that McCain accepts the nomination. No Peace for the War Makers! March, On Day 4 of the RNC John McCain will be declared the official Republican candidate for the presidency. He has said that the war is the key issue in his campaign. Stand with people from around the country to say NO! to his policies of war. We will rally at the State Capital and then march to the Xcel Center. Organized by the AWC.
[Link: www.antiwarcommittee.org...]

[Link: www.kfai.org...]

www.kfai.org

KFAI, 1808 Riverside Avenue, Minneapolis, MN 5545

351 jcm  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:11:11am

re: #345 Ben Hur

Rush taking on female talking heads with children.

They have children? From the discussion the last few days I thought feminism demanded women with children stay at home. I'm getting confused....
/

352 realwest  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:11:14am

re: #334 Cartman

The left knows no boundaries when it comes to character assassination, and that is always their goal. Their M.O. is destruction, not critique.


Excellent comment my friend. The problem the Left has, and has always had, in my experience, is that they are good and practiced at tearing down; they never seem to offer anything to build up.

353 runrabbitrun  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:11:37am

I hope O'Reilly, who swore to us 'no spin' last winter in his talking points that he would go after the media BIG TIME this election , displays the two Us magaslime covers during his Barack Obama interview, and will ask Barry pointblank if he is willing to denounce that kind of partisan, misleading hack activity in the press - right then, right there.

354 looking closely  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:11:46am

re: #343 realwest

Hey y'all - are we still on topic? Cause I think Palin is doing the right thing: she's not pushing for religion to be taught in the public schools. She HAS said that if it (creationism) should come up in discussion, that she has no problem with it's being discussed.
Big difference there: IF it comes us, discuss vs. Make sure it DOES COME UP and as part of the school curriculum.
Clearly Palin is the opposite of Jindal on this.


Nobody is saying or proposing that its forbidden to discuss Creationism at school.

IMO the acid test is whether or not Creationism gets reserved (or protected) time in the science classroom.

At issue is whether or not a fundamentally religious topic gets masqueraded as science.

355 Bobblehead  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:12:35am

re: #345 Ben Hur

Rush taking on female talking heads with children.

Soledad O'Brien has 4 kids under 10 yrs. How dare she go to work every day.

356 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:12:41am

re: #345 Ben Hur

Rush taking on female talking heads with children.

And outing them for their hypocrisy.

Rip 'em a new one.

357 J.S.  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:13:11am

re: #327 Colin Nelson

That's a great letter, Colin...In the past, I'd go their website (or that Ombudsman's website), pull up their "Code of Practice" (their so-called "ethical guidelines"), quote the relevant parts, and then ask how it is that they can routinely (and with impunity) violate their own stated, written standards...I seldom received a response...including from the Ombudsman (the claims that the Ombudsman is somehow "independent" is, I figure, bunk -- his job is to cover for his CBC bosses and do the whitewashing.)

358 Mardukhai  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:13:14am

Anybody read the LAT piece on Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party? It's a pretty ripe group of secessionists.

On the Middle East, I wouldn't trust a thing an LAT reporter says, but local politics is often handled straight. Anybody know more about this?

AP says that her husband was a member.

Not sure that a secessionist belongs a heartbeat from the White House.

359 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:13:18am

re: #348 galloping granny

Katie Holmes was born Catholic and recently joined the Church of Scientology. Are you saying that the Catholic church still considers her Catholic? Give me a break. Ronald Reagan used to be a Democrat but you don't hear Democrats saying "Well, he may have joined the Republicans, but he is still a Democrat technically!"

360 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:13:53am

Too much feeding of the troll. If it isn't getting whacked, at least let it starve.

361 Russkilitlover  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:13:57am

re: #336 jordank

I have no idea who complained about what book or for what reason they wanted it gone from the library, but considering how many people wanted Harry Potter banned, I think my guess is pretty damn accurate

Ha! You presented it as some sort of fact. It was a guess? You mean viscious, vile, slanderous, gossip.

362 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:02am
363 WrathofG-d  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:05am

re: #350 Dave the.....

Seems you found your city's equivalent of Pacifica Radio; Congrats. I listen to KPFK (my Pacifica station) every morning.

Did you notice that on its website it states:

Today, KFAI broadcasts from high atop the IDS building and will soon be broadcasting in crystal clear digital.

I found that interesting.

364 opnion  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:12am

It's very odd that the same Media types that are pushing Sarah Palin to humiliate herself, by proving that her child is her child, but have no interest in the records of the Annenberg Challenge. You know, cause it might link Barry closely with William Ayers & corrupt grants to Rezko.

365 Teh Flowah  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:13am

I guess it's not as bad as Jindal, but just there mere fact people still buy into the whole ID-bullshit annoys me greatly. Like those who think the earth is still flat. It's willful ignorance of the reality of the situation.

366 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:14am

re: #361 Russkilitlover

I was being semi-sarcastic when I wrote that. Anyone reading what I quoted beforehand knew there was no mention of witches. Not my fault if people don't read everything in a post.

367 DeafDog  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:21am

re: #295 Killer Tomato

Call me crazy, but I'm starting to think the reason they're attacking her children (rather than her) is in the hope that at some point she'd get emotional or tear up and then they could replay that clip over and over and over... using it to show that she was 'weak' or too 'emotional' for the job, etc., etc.

You're crazy.

(Sorry)

Actually, that's an interesting POV, but you are giving the MSM too much credit. This is about going after the lowest common denominator. It's a "sex" story. That sells ad revenue, and it agrees with their political leanings.

368 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:26am

re: #323 jordank

Catholicism isn't like Judaism where born a Jew, always a Jew. You are not Catholic until baptized, and even then if you renounce the church then you are kicked out the door as far as membership is concerned. Please provide me documentation if I am wrong.

Provide documentation that you've seen for your assertion.

If you renounce the Church, you are not excommunicated. You just don't consider yourself a Catholic, the Church still considers you a Catholic.

369 doppelganglander  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:26am

re: #336 jordank

I have no idea who complained about what book or for what reason they wanted it gone from the library, but considering how many people wanted Harry Potter banned, I think my guess is pretty damn accurate

Your guess is meaningless. If you can't support your argument with actual facts, go practice googling until you learn how. For example, I made an assertion in my #172 about an attempted banning of Harry Potter. Here's an article about how the attempt failed. See how that works?

370 Cartman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:27am

re: #347 SpartanWoman

He's being pretty wonderful today, pointing out the stupidity of the media and its double standards.

Well done, Rush

He's hammering home the sheer duplicity that is on display.

371 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:48am
372 Mardukhai  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:15:58am

Anyone have anything on Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party?

373 realwest  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:16:19am

re: #354 looking closely

IMO the acid test is whether or not Creationism gets reserved (or protected) time in the science classroom


Well I do understand your point and I don't think creationism should be taught in science classes (or, quite frankly - other than as necessary parts of history classes - any place else in a publically funded school) but what does a science teacher do if a student asks about creationism at a time when the teacher is teaching evolution? It's not "reserved" or "protected" for the teacher to respond, do you think?

374 Bobblehead  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:16:22am

Rush is on a roll about the left's crusade to destroy God.

375 Alouette  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:16:23am

re: #349 jordank

Prove me wrong

You're an asshole.

Prove you're not.

376 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:16:30am

First, some clarification.

Evolution isn't a belief. It's a fact. It's happened, it is happening. There's really no question about it.

Intelligent design "theory" IS INDEED religious doctrine masquerading as science. Intelligent design advocates have admitted as much in their internal communiques and in unguarded moments. Again, there's no question about it, it's just a fact.

Evolution and Intelligent Design are not equals. Again, evolution is a fact, not "just a theory"--it is a theory in the scientific definition, which is quite different from the common definition of theory. And Intelligent Design is NOT a scientific theory. It is not a "plausible alternative explanation" for biodiversity.

There's nothing wrong with what you suggest below, if that's all that's actually said (but would you include non-Judeo-Christian creationist viewpoints as well?). The problem is, the advocates of Intelligent Design aren't being honest and sincere when they say they just want kids to feel free to discuss whether God might have had a role in evolution, etc. They have a much larger goal in mind, which includes undermining science itself as well as the foundations of our secular democracy. And again, they have said so themselves.

re: #34 Padre

What is the big deal with teaching, "Class, some people view the creation of the world as being the work of God, and believe such and such....?"

Why is presenting more than one side of the issue so bad? It is not religious indoctrination.

IT IS NOT INDOCTRINATION!

Are some afraid that evolution will NOT be taught? Am I missing the big point?

377 Dianna  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:16:33am

re: #329 jcm

Not even every Wiccan does that!

Stereotyping!

///

378 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:16:48am

re: #336 jordank

I have no idea who complained about what book or for what reason they wanted it gone from the library, but considering how many people wanted Harry Potter banned, I think my guess is pretty damn accurate

So its alright to just guess?

I am guessing you are an asshole.

379 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:16:53am

re: #359 jordank

Katie Holmes was born Catholic and recently joined the Church of Scientology. Are you saying that the Catholic church still considers her Catholic? Give me a break. Ronald Reagan used to be a Democrat but you don't hear Democrats saying "Well, he may have joined the Republicans, but he is still a Democrat technically!"

If you come back to Catholicism, you do not need to be re-baptized or re-confirmed. Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about.

380 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:17:03am

re: #344 Charles

Well - that's exactly what he is doing, and he's not just talking about it, he's signing bills into law.

This does not look like he is shoving creationism down anyone's throat by a long shot. [Link: www.evolutionnews.org...]

381 wolfie  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:17:12am

re: #296 looking closely

I make no claims as the appearance of God, or on what is the "right" Judeo-Christian belief there.

All I'm saying is that the most straightforward interpretation of what's written in the Old Testament is that man physically resembles God (and vice versa).

If that is the most straightforward interpretation, it is indeed surprising that none of the Fathers of the Church and no Christian theologian of any standing in the Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, or Calvinist traditions has ever put forth that view!
Not from the first century AD up to the present. NONE.
The only religious tradition that even suggests such a thing is, I believe, Mormonism. (I'm no expert on Mormonism and may be wrong about that.)

382 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:17:15am

re: #329 jcm

Does that mean everyone is too be strict pagan at the solstice and dance around nekkid?

That might be a path you do not wish to walk jcm.

Much like the fantasy of a nude beach, the reality can be... grim.

383 Russkilitlover  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:17:16am

re: #358 Mardukhai

Anybody read the LAT piece on Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party? It's a pretty ripe group of secessionists.

On the Middle East, I wouldn't trust a thing an LAT reporter says, but local politics is often handled straight. Anybody know more about this?

AP says that her husband was a member.

Not sure that a secessionist belongs a heartbeat from the White House.

If you get your facts and data from the LA Times, you'll never want for moonshine!

384 jordank  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:17:31am

re: #375 Alouette

Do you kiss your Mother with that mouth?

385 Basho  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:17:33am

re: #210 jordank

Gah... didn't mean to ding you down.

386 SpartanWoman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:17:36am

re: #370 Cartman

He's hammering home the sheer duplicity that is on display.

I am sending emails asking them to dismiss O'Brien so that she can take proper care of her children. Children are TOO big a distraction for her yo do a proper job.

387 Irene NYC  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:18:16am

re: #324 StinkHammer

I must be missing your point. I asserted that English literature (as tought in the University) depends upon interpretation (it was my Major, so I have some experience with that phenomenon), whereas the basis of the scientific process is one based on specific methodology that is beyond interpretation (the RESULTS, however, of that methodology are what are subject to interpretation.) How does that make me off-base?

Because post-modernism is not interpretation - it is based on a specific far left ideology that is beyond questioning and specifically designed to undo the philosophical underpinnings of the Enlightenment. It has a specific political aim, and it ain't shy about it anymore.

Remind me again, academics are 90% democrats, and the percentage is even higher if you discount the hard sciences, right? I'm not being snide when I ask, surely you noticed while you were/are in academia the lockstep mentality going on there?

I might also add that the post-modernists are now pointing their guns at the hard sciences and the "scientific method." Getting Larry Summers, the prez of Harvard, fired, and stifling discussion on women in math and science, was one of their great accomplishments. We can look forward to many, many more.

388 SpartanWoman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:18:26am

re: #372 Mardukhai

Anyone have anything on Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party?

ANy mention or questions to Obama on his running on a marxist ticket?

389 Celtic Templar  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:18:29am

re: #336 jordank

I have no idea who complained about what book or for what reason they wanted it gone from the library, but considering how many people wanted Harry Potter banned, I think my guess is pretty damn accurate

Pray tell what is a banned book? No governmental institution is prohibiting a publishing house from publishing books.

390 Dianna  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:18:30am

re: #346 wrenchwench

There was a bit of a kerfuffle, early on, about Harry Potter. Eventually, people got over it, particularly after they started reading the books.

391 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:18:34am

re: #365 Teh Flowah

I guess it's not as bad as Jindal, but just there mere fact people still buy into the whole ID-bullshit annoys me greatly. Like those who think the earth is still flat. It's willful ignorance of the reality of the situation.

Please separate the I-D Movement pushing for science curriculum changes with the many of us who believe in a Creator. Some of us even went to college and everything...

392 doppelganglander  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:18:49am

jordank: Registered since: Aug 29, 2008 at 6:07 pm
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Not making much of a first impression here, are ya, pal? I'm going to state that you're 35 years old, live in your mom's basement, and subsist mainly on Cheetoes. Prove me wrong.

393 Dianna  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:19:03am

re: #372 Mardukhai

Hot Air had a headline about it, I think.

394 jill e  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:19:20am

re: #368 Celtic Templar

Provide documentation that you've seen for your assertion.

If you renounce the Church, you are not excommunicated. You just don't consider yourself a Catholic, the Church still considers you a Catholic.

Exactly true. It's not a club.

395 AnotherRightWingConspirator  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:19:21am

re: #349 jordank

Same thing the MSM does: throw a bunch of crap on the wall and then see what sticks. Why should anybody prove you wrong? Prove yourself right - come back with some facts.

396 Cartman  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:19:27am

I guess I went OT. I'll wait for another thread. Later, all.

397 kansas  Wed, Sep 3, 2008 10:19:32am

Olbermann jumped the shark last night. After Thompson's speech Olbermann, with a puzzled looked, said something like, "That was strange. All I saw was a flag and gun." Then he handed off to Chris Matthews who I swear had this "WTF?" look, and completely ignored him.