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Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:48:58 am PDT

The GOP convention has posted Sarah Palin’s entire speech at YouTube:

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1 faraway  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:50:07am

The Leader of the Free World for the next 16 years? Reagan 2.0?

2 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:50:51am

I thought the speech was kind of lame.


KIDDING! KIDDING! PUT DOWN THOSE PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!

3 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:50:52am

Maybe they'll call it the "I Have a Meme" speech.

4 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:51:39am

Download it with YouTubeDownloader, put it on your IPOD and show it to your lib friends :)
YouTubeDonwloader

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:51:39am

Hopefully they thought to disable comments

6 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:51:57am

Or the "Out Libs' Ears Will Blow Steam" speech.

7 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:52:03am

Excellent speech; I watched it twice last night, thanks to the DVR.

Suck it, lefties.

8 nightlight  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:52:41am

I'll say it again --

WE STRUCK OIL WITH SARAH PALIN.

(Loved seeing that sign at the convention!)

9 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:52:43am

The "Peaches and Cream" speech?

10 Sizzlack  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:52:48am

OT: Does anyone know where a list of people who have previously spoken at Trinity Church could be found?

11 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:53:04am

I like the bit about "after they put away the styrofoam columns away..."

12 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:53:36am
13 beholden  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:53:56am

My co-workers laughed at me when I said Palin was a brilliant pick. This morning they are starting to see it.

14 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:54:01am

Or, "Da V.P. Ex-TREEME!" speech.

15 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:54:14am

As brilliant as she is beautiful. A rare combination in the modern world, and a surefire way to piss off femi-nazis everywhere.

A real keeper.

16 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:54:42am

"in a McCain/Palin adiminstration."

Music to my ears.

17 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:54:55am

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

That's much prettier than the "Gut the Beached Whale and Melt the Blubber" speech.

What's that? The Flensing Speech? I don't understand.

18 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:55:00am
If this is the best and the brightest amongst 300 million Americans, then I fear for the future of your country. The VP pick was very poorly thought out. I cannot imagine that a country as rich and powerful as the United States really needs to choose one of its leaders amongst the ranks of the gun-totin' and beer-swillin'.

~asshat-france is now at -250...

19 Thanos  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:55:19am

One comment before I head back into the grueling meeting:

The past two days is the most I"ve seen the Republican party united in three years. Sarah is just what we needed, thanks for the great pick John McCain.

20 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:55:36am
21 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:55:41am

I would call it the "Drill Baby, Drill" speech.

22 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:56:01am

She said lay more pipelines, man my head is spinning :)

/ducks

23 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:56:10am
24 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:56:13am

30 million watched it last night. It was the most ever for a Vice Presidential candidate.

25 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:56:15am

I have pneumonia and the only time I've felt good in the last few days was during Sarah's speech. I had this big grin on my face the whole time.

26 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:56:34am

Fine speech. There's still an election to be won. She's proven that she can deliver a speech before a friendly audience and that she's not to going to be a shrinking violent from criticism or controversy. Those are good traits, but not the only ones.

She's going to have to prove her mettle time and time again over the next 2 months - whether it's going toe to toe with Biden or even against Obama in the experience department. The Democrats are going to have to move away from that debate pretty quickly if they want a chance - to be compared to the VP in the other party isn't a winning hand.

We've got to hear more on policy, though her stirring support for being an advocate of the disabled is quite important.

We're going to be heading into a sprint for the WH, and McCain has to give his speech tonight, which I'm sure many will find anti-climatic after Palin's performance last night. Yet, at the end of the day, the American people are choosing to elect McCain or Obama. He's going to have to come through. His mavericky decision to go with Palin speaks to his judgment and unorthodox approach, which compares favorably to Obama's safe (only?) choice in Biden.

27 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:56:37am

Repost from Prior thread:

re: #139 karmic_inquisitor
Hey karmic!

It will be a few days before Palin effect is measured.

In the meantime, intrade gives immediate market based feedback. By that measure, things turned rather sharply last night - McCain now 42 Obama 58.


So you're telling us that intrade gave Palin horrible reviews?!? Don't know who intrade really is, but if they think Obama GAINED from Palin's speech, they're wrong.

28 Thanos  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:57:02am

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

That's much prettier than the "Gut the Beached Whale and Melt the Blubber" speech.

They still hunt whales in Barrow & Kotzebue, part of Sarah's state.

29 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:57:06am

re: #25 newsjunkie_ky

I have pneumonia and the only time I've felt good in the last few days was during Sarah's speech. I had this big grin on my face the whole time.


Palin heals the sick!
/
Hope you are feeling better!

30 Sizzlack  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:57:36am

re: #24 Dirk Diggler

30 million watched it last night. It was the most ever for a Vice Presidential candidate.

Barracuda.

31 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:58:13am

re: #2 Occasional Reader

I thought the speech was kind of lame.


KIDDING! KIDDING! PUT DOWN THOSE PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!

I DID think it was lame. No kidding.

32 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:58:16am

re: #18 Fat Jolly Penguin

~asshat-france is now at -250...

Keep posting the link.
She's up to -252, climbing steadily.

33 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:58:23am

What's the difference between Cheney and Palin? Palin eats what she hits... Alive. /

34 JSK1121  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:58:30am

re: #27 realwest

Repost from Prior thread:

re: #139 karmic_inquisitor
Hey karmic!

It will be a few days before Palin effect is measured.

In the meantime, intrade gives immediate market based feedback. By that measure, things turned rather sharply last night - McCain now 42 Obama 58.


So you're telling us that intrade gave Palin horrible reviews?!? Don't know who intrade really is, but if they think Obama GAINED from Palin's speech, they're wrong.

Intrade's prices are based on who is buying and selling shares of the politicians. I don't think the owners of the site determine the prices.

35 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:59:30am
Barracuda.

Don't you mean Sarahcuda?

36 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:59:51am

re: #26 lawhawk
Hi lawhawk!

Yet, at the end of the day, the American people are choosing to elect McCain or Obama. He's going to have to come through. His mavericky decision to go with Palin speaks to his judgment and unorthodox approach, which compares favorably to Obama's safe (only?) choice in Biden.

But what does it say the the VP nominee of the Republican party is more qualified and has more experience in actually governing, than does either the Presidential or Vice-Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party?

37 grepsedawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:59:53am

I would have given anything to be a documentary film maker producing a short film about the various reactions of the key Democrat “players” at the very moment Sara Palin concluded her RNC acceptance speech.
Obviously that wasn’t possible, but here is how I imagined it would have gone:

Clinton residence:
Hillary – “Holy F'ing Sh*t! She's a REAL, down to earth, poised, intelligent, America-loving, good looking woman…where do those Republicans come up with these people?
Bill: - “I’d hit that” *under his breath...

Obama residence:
Obama – but, but, but…they said I didn’t have enough experience so I picked Biden to shore things up, WTF! Is it too late to swap in Hillary? Would that make me look indecisive? Michelle, what should I do?
Michelle: Barry, why don't you start writing your 3rd memoir and title it “How I Managed to Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory in One Easy Step”.

Nancy Pelosi residence:
Nancy – So that's what people are looking for in a woman in politics...integrity, guts, America-first attitide...now I get it...NOT

38 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:59:58am

re: #32 pre-Boomer Marine brat

PIMF
-256

39 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:00:13am

re: #11 rawmuse

I like the bit about "after they put away the styrofoam columns away..."

And how it was so dismissively delivered!

40 kansas  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:00:34am

And Tom Daschle says she's qualified:
Daschle In 2000 Race: 17 Months in Senate Adequate Preparation For VP Slot

Yesterday Tom Daschle told Wolf Blitzer that McCain's decision to choose Palin was "inexplicable".

But back in 2000 Daschle had no problem giving the VP nod to John Edwards, who at that time had been a U.S Senator for only 17 months with no other government experience:

MR. RUSSERT: But, Senator, Ronald Reagan was governor for eight years, Bill Clinton governor for eight years, George W.
Bush governor for five years. Mr. Edwards was a trial lawyer, a personal injury lawyer before 17 months in the Senate. Is that
adequate preparation?

SEN. DASCHLE: Well, Tim, I think it's the life experiences you bring to the job. I don't know of anybody that has a broader
array of life experiences than John Edwards. He has been a success story. He has gone through his own personal trials. He has come
to the Senate and, right from the start, taken on leadership roles. He has demonstrated his capacity for leadership in ways that I haven't
seen before. It's really remarkable what he's been able to do in a very short period of time. He's demonstrated to me his capacity to
take on responsibility. He'll do that again should he be the nominee. I have no doubt about that.

41 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:00:56am

re: #31 Creeping Eruption

I DID think it was lame. No kidding.

Why was that?

42 Samita  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:01:04am

re: #28 Thanos

They still hunt whales in Barrow & Kotzebue, part of Sarah's state.

Inuit are allowed to hunt Whale as a part of their cultural heritage.

It's very limited and done respectfully

43 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:01:09am

re: #34 JSK1121
SO you're saying the "gamblers" at intrade made Obama a bigger favor after Palin's speech?!

44 Sizzlack  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:01:10am

re: #35 Dirk Diggler

Don't you mean Sarahcuda?

Probably...but something about the h and c being next to each other bothers me..it almost makes me want to say Sarachuda.

45 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:01:16am

re: #32 pre-Boomer Marine brat

-257

46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:01:27am

re: #15 thedopefishlives

As brilliant as she is beautiful. A rare combination in the modern world, and a surefire way to piss off femi-nazis everywhere.

A real keeper.

Well, Steinem doesn't like her. I'm sure Sarah is crushed

47 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:01:45am

re: #42 Samita

Inuit are allowed to hunt Whale as a part of their cultural heritage.

It's very limited and done respectfully

You ever asked the whales about that?

48 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:03:30am
49 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:03:42am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, Steinem doesn't like her. I'm sure Sarah is crushed

Steinem's probably afraid of a mouse, never mind a moose.

50 RTLM  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:03:59am

The Sarah Palin pick was totally out of the blue to me and it couldn't have been a better decision by McCain. I was resigned to Mitt Romney as a VP. Never thought Palin would be seriously considered.

Now that she's on the ticket and I've learned some things about her, I am stoked! She will tear that arrogant, condescending Joe Biden a a new one in the debates. She's exactly what we needed.

51 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:04:20am

re: #27 realwest

Repost from Prior thread:

re: #139 karmic_inquisitor
Hey karmic!

It will be a few days before Palin effect is measured.

In the meantime, intrade gives immediate market based feedback. By that measure, things turned rather sharply last night - McCain now 42 Obama 58.


So you're telling us that intrade gave Palin horrible reviews?!? Don't know who intrade really is, but if they think Obama GAINED from Palin's speech, they're wrong.

I responded on the other thread as well.

McCain has gained about 2.5 points on intrade today. Don't confuse the prices with polling percentages. Palin was a definite boost - McCain hit a new all time high at intrade this morning.

52 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:04:22am

A reader comment featured (in all seriousness) on the front page of the S.F. Chronicle yestersay sums up the vacuity of the Dem position on Palin:

"Palin is such a hypocrite. Her standards are so impossibly high that no one can meet them -- not even her own daughter."

Yeah, because what we really need right now in this country is someone who has sufficiently low standards leading the nation. God forbid the President have high standards!

"My fellow Americans, I realize you're all losers, so I'm not really expecting anything from you except irresponsibility and moocherism."

53 Arkay  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:04:27am

Methinx the USS Obamic struck an Alaskan iceberg last night!

(Obviously his boys in the crow's nest were not paying attention...)

54 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:04:32am

re: #48 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure the whales don't find it all that respectful; it's difficult to really feel the respect when you've got a couple of harpoons in your flank.

No use blubbering about it, I suppose.

And I guess it eventually becomes ahab-it?

55 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:04:35am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Hey Kragar! Gee, ya know I didn't even know that Gloria Steinhem was still alive! I mean, I thought by now that she'd have said SOMETHING about the way Muslim men treat women!?!
Did I miss that (those) statements of hers?!

56 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:05:21am
57 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:05:37am

re: #49 HelloDare

Steinem's probably afraid of a mouse, never mind a moose.

Republicans being elephants are allowed to be more afraid of mice than moose.

58 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:05:38am

re: #51 karmic_inquisitor
Ah, thanks a lot karmic! Still don't understand why the traders at intrade think Obama's such a sure thing though.

59 Samita  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:05:46am

I'm not sure when the last time I asked a cow if it liked being my hamburger...

60 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:05:53am
61 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:06:12am

re: #52 zombie

A reader comment featured (in all seriousness) on the front page of the S.F. Chronicle yestersay sums up the vacuity of the Dem position on Palin:

"Palin is such a hypocrite. Her standards are so impossibly high that no one can meet them -- not even her own daughter."

Yeah, because what we really need right now in this country is someone who has sufficiently low standards leading the nation. God forbid the President have high standards!

"My fellow Americans, I realize you're all losers, so I'm not really expecting anything from you except irresponsibility and moocherism."

"Doesn't mediocrity have a place on the court?"--oops that was by a Republican.

62 ctrlL  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:06:20am

I expect YouTube to be removing it soon and label it as
"objectionable content".

* tsk, tsk, tsk
* snicker

63 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:06:38am

McCain's campaign manager says he has been told that this woman reminds many of Margaret Thacher. That didn't occur to me, but there was one moment when I wondered why she isn't at the top of the ticket.

64 bombarafat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:06:48am

Any idea where I can listen to the speech on streaming audio?

65 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:06:51am

re: #24 Dirk Diggler

30 million watched it last night. It was the most ever for a Vice Presidential candidate.

A million or so were deranged lefties watching with a notepad and pencil, looking for a dangling participle or an accidental admission that she loves Hitler, or something in between to "get" her with.

On that topic, after all the sh*t they threw against the wall this week to see what would stick, it seems only the Bridge To Nowhere "scandal" had a teeny grain of truth, so that is the one they've decided they were REALLY outraged about all along. All the LLL youts in my office are harping on it today, non-stop, when they couldn't have cared less yesterday.

I'm guessing troopergate, she-should-be-home-with-the-kids, and the other manufactured attacks didn't hold the water they thought they would.

66 CapitalistTool  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:07:08am

Wow thanks, Charles!

Does anybody know if the whole Saddleback video is posted anywhere? Thanks in advance, :)

67 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:07:10am

zombie,

"My fellow Americans, I realize you're all losers, so I'm not really expecting anything from you except irresponsibility and moocherism."

Did you lift that line from Jimmy Carter's "Malaise" speech?

/

68 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:07:34am

re: #58 realwest

Ah, thanks a lot karmic! Still don't understand why the traders at intrade think Obama's such a sure thing though.

I've done intrade a couple of times ... right now it is meaningless ... let Obama's numbers climb, there will be a rush to bet against him probably last week in October (barring anything that comes out on McCain/Palin).

69 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:07:34am

re: #41 Ward Cleaver

Why was that?

A host of reasons that would probably get me lynched for expressing here. Lets just say that I am embarrassed by both political parties in this country right now and I think that there were probably better candidates than her.

70 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:07:38am

re: #53 Arkay

Methinx the USS Obamic struck an Alaskan iceberg last night!

(Obviously his boys in the crow's nest were not paying attention...)

Obama will not handle this well. He never handles any criticism of him or his positions. His first instinct is to fight back with smears rather than just laugh as McCain advised him to do at the beginning of the campaign.

Obama will just keep digging.

71 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:08:37am

re: #48 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure the whales don't find it all that respectful; it's difficult to really feel the respect when you've got a couple of harpoons in your flank.

No use blubbering about it, I suppose.

Those whales need to check in to the Ahab Center. The harpoon track marks on their foreflippers make it hard to get a job.

72 ModerateWolverine  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:08:39am

re: #66 CapitalistTool

Wow thanks, Charles!

Does anybody know if the whole Saddleback video is posted anywhere? Thanks in advance, :)

I don't believe it's the ENTIRE thing, but a very good wrap up is at Ms Underestimated.

73 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:08:53am

re: #68 celtic templar

So maybe the folks who trade at intrade are like bookies - put out bullshit numbers so as to attract more money to the gamblin' table.

74 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:08:54am

re: #63 Pshawalaw

McCain's campaign manager says he has been told that this woman reminds many of Margaret Thacher. That didn't occur to me, but there was one moment when I wondered why she isn't at the top of the ticket.

Wait four years. Seasoning is a good thing.

75 cblesz  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:09:07am

Jesse jacson hospitalized...for stomach pains. Think he was watching the speech?

76 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:09:28am

re: #18 Fat Jolly Penguin

~asshat-france is now at -250...

261 net down dings. I've never seen anything like it.

My goodness, what an AWESOME phenomenon this Sarah Palin!

77 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:09:37am

I'm thinking the whole Greek Temple thing really did hurt Obama a little bit, because the first headline I saw this morning was about the "new stage" being built for McCain's acceptance

"See? You do it too!" /whine

78 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:10:02am
79 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:10:23am

Biden's swipe at Palin today on Rush has him saying, really just phoning in a talking point, "I didn't hear her mention the words Health Care or Education." What a lazy idiot, if he is going to take that approach he should at least make sure that whoever wrote the line for him had listend to Palin speak. She did go on about how she went from the PTA to the Mayor's office because of her interest in her children's education. It is embarrasing to hear him screw up such a small item.

80 Killer Tomato  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:10:38am

re: #26 lawhawk

Fine speech. There's still an election to be won. She's proven that she can deliver a speech before a friendly audience and that she's not to going to be a shrinking violent from criticism or controversy. Those are good traits, but not the only ones.

She's going to have to prove her mettle time and time again over the next 2 months - whether it's going toe to toe with Biden or even against Obama in the experience department. The Democrats are going to have to move away from that debate pretty quickly if they want a chance - to be compared to the VP in the other party isn't a winning hand.

We've got to hear more on policy, though her stirring support for being an advocate of the disabled is quite important.

We're going to be heading into a sprint for the WH, and McCain has to give his speech tonight, which I'm sure many will find anti-climatic after Palin's performance last night. Yet, at the end of the day, the American people are choosing to elect McCain or Obama. He's going to have to come through. His mavericky decision to go with Palin speaks to his judgment and unorthodox approach, which compares favorably to Obama's safe (only?) choice in Biden.

bingo
We don't have much time. We all know what's at stake here. Granted, the majority of us work, coach soccer, lead scout groups, teach Sunday school... we don't have a lot of free time. But we all need to pitch in and do something. Get on the McCain/Palin website. Find the campaign office nearest you and contact them. Every little bit helps - whether it's distributing campaign literature door to door, working a phone bank, hosting an event, marching in a parade, writing letters to the editor, and/or donating money, if we want to win this we need to work for it. Otherwise we may end up here on November 5th saying, "but.. but.. but.. I don't know anyone who voted for Obama!"
OK - nag mode off.

81 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:10:39am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Stop it, you're blubbering...

82 Bill Amos  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:10:52am

I posted that Huck comment about "Sarah Palin got more votes than Joe Biden" comment on my website.

I have had alot of lefties come to my site in a coniption fit about what a "LIE" that is and how vile it is to make such a statement.

Good Greif people you dont have to call out the fact brigade (or Battalion) on that issue.

Getting worked up over the trivial is really stupid.

83 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:10:56am

re: #58 realwest

Ah, thanks a lot karmic! Still don't understand why the traders at intrade think Obama's such a sure thing though.

They are interested in making money and view the political landscape as being toxic to any republican.

When the landscape changes, the numbers will change. And they are changing.

84 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:11:01am

re: #70 Honorary Yooper

Hey do you think that:

Obama will not handle this well. He never handles any criticism of him or his positions. His first instinct is to fight back with smears rather than just laugh as McCain advised him to do at the beginning of the campaign.

could be cause he's never been in a true fight for an elective office? So he's just not used to it at all.

85 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:11:10am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Rehabilitating whales does work sometimes, but usually it's just a fluke.

I ran into a whale at the MGM Grand in Vegas once.

86 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:11:15am

re: #79 lifeofthemind

Biden's swipe at Palin today on Rush has him saying, really just phoning in a talking point, "I didn't hear her mention the words Health Care or Education."

He's surprised a conservative didn't talk about socialism?

87 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:11:22am
88 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:11:32am

Which lizard has been pulling longest for Palin VP?

89 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:11:42am

re: #81 rawmuse

Stop it, you're blubbering...

Or spouting off.

90 mike2fek  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:11:50am

re:34

McCains 42 pts on InTrade is the highest its ever been. He gained 3 pts today alone, as has been the trend the last several weeks.

as for the speech, I'll say the "Hockey Mom" speech

91 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:11:51am

re: #79 lifeofthemind

Biden's swipe at Palin today on Rush has him saying, really just phoning in a talking point, "I didn't hear her mention the words Health Care or Education." What a lazy idiot, if he is going to take that approach he should at least make sure that whoever wrote the line for him had listend to Palin speak. She did go on about how she went from the PTA to the Mayor's office because of her interest in her children's education. It is embarrasing to hear him screw up such a small item.

And Sarah looked pretty damn healthy to me!

92 talon_262  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:11:53am

re: #32 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Keep posting the link.
She's up to -252, climbing steadily.

annefrance's little turd is at -262 now...

(and Charles downdinged her too, but didn't nuke the post...maybe he wanted to see how far the downdinging would go ;-P )

93 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:12:39am

re: #88 experiencedtraveller

Which lizard has been pulling longest for Palin VP?

Not me, but I remember getting some flack for posting the idea of supporting McCain.

94 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:12:41am

re: #88 experiencedtraveller

Which lizard has been pulling longest for Palin VP?

I have been on the bandwagon for a few months now.

95 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:13:08am

re: #1 faraway

The Leader of the Free World for the next 16 years? Reagan 2.0?

Palin 1.0

96 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:13:09am

re: #88 experiencedtraveller

There used to be a guy whose nic was Sheepdippeddog that was lobbying for her at least a year ago. Have not seen him of late.

97 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:13:15am

re: #69 Creeping Eruption

A host of reasons that would probably get me lynched for expressing here. Lets just say that I am embarrassed by both political parties in this country right now and I think that there were probably better candidates than her.

ridiculous. not to mention complete monday-morning quaterbacking and speculative. name one...

98 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:13:39am

re: #79 lifeofthemind

Biden's swipe at Palin today on Rush has him saying, really just phoning in a talking point, "I didn't hear her mention the words Health Care or Education." What a lazy idiot, if he is going to take that approach he should at least make sure that whoever wrote the line for him had listend to Palin speak. She did go on about how she went from the PTA to the Mayor's office because of her interest in her children's education. It is embarrasing to hear him screw up such a small item.

Being a Self Appointed Superior Being means never having to pay attention.

99 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:13:39am

re: #88 experiencedtraveller

Which lizard has been pulling longest for Palin VP?

Iron Fist?

100 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:13:58am

re: #79 lifeofthemind

what he really didn't say (but knew) is that

" Palin didn't promise to throw MORE money down that bottomless pit we call Public education so Thank God we Dems can retain the teachers union votes. She also didn't promise FREE HEALTH CARE for the 40 million US citizens that don';t have any which includes 25 million illegal aliens whose legal relatives the Dems can count on ! "

101 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:14:02am

re: #84 realwest

Hey do you think that:

Obama will not handle this well. He never handles any criticism of him or his positions. His first instinct is to fight back with smears rather than just laugh as McCain advised him to do at the beginning of the campaign.


could be cause he's never been in a true fight for an elective office? So he's just not used to it at all.

A couple of reasons,

1. He has never been in a real fight for an elective office.
2. He is also quite the narcissist. Being so, he cannot take any criticism of himself.

102 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:14:24am

re: #52 zombie

A reader comment featured (in all seriousness) on the front page of the S.F. Chronicle yestersay sums up the vacuity of the Dem position on Palin:

"Palin is such a hypocrite. Her standards are so impossibly high that no one can meet them -- not even her own daughter."

Yeah, because what we really need right now in this country is someone who has sufficiently low standards leading the nation. God forbid the President have high standards!

"My fellow Americans, I realize you're all losers, so I'm not really expecting anything from you except irresponsibility and moocherism."

Welcome to the Slacker NationTM.

103 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:14:27am

i just had a friend (gay) call me from seattle.
he saw sarah deliver this speech and he's voting for her. i love it.
(he really has soured on b.o.)

104 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:14:33am

The market tanked today. Anybody on the left try to tie it to Palin yet?

105 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:14:37am

re: #92 talon_262

annefrance's little turd is at -262 now...

(and Charles downdinged her too, but didn't nuke the post...maybe he wanted to see how far the downdinging would go ;-P )

If so, I love it!

106 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:14:45am

re: #97 Vergeltung

ridiculous. not to mention complete monday-morning quaterbacking and speculative. name one...

I can't think of any viable candidate that would have energized the base more than Sarah Palin, and that was McCain's biggest problem!

107 Bobibutu  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:14:57am

re: #42 Samita

Inuit are allowed to hunt Whale as a part of their cultural heritage.

It's very limited and done respectfully

They also save them ... some years back one or two whales got trapped by ice. They would have died but the locals chopped a series of blow holes for them and finally got them back to open water.

108 cblesz  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:15:03am

re: #86 Silhouette

He's surprised a conservative didn't talk about socialism?

Biden is a jackass. Um, Palin was forced to defend here experience. In addition, I believe it is John mcCain's job to discuss policy specifics, Joe.

109 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:15:12am

Well y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta go mush some lunch and take some meds and then do what the tough do when the going gets tough: take a nap!

Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

110 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:15:38am

re: #73 realwest

So maybe the folks who trade at intrade are like bookies - put out bullshit numbers so as to attract more money to the gamblin' table.

Maybe? I don't know how intrade is regulated if it is ... Think Soros and silver market manipulation.

111 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:15:43am

i really didn't wake up this morning thinking, "Today is Whale Pun Day! Start polishing all my whale pun classics! I'm so excited!" And yet, here we are.

112 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:15:52am
113 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:16:05am

Sarah "The Knife" Palin. ---Rush

114 faraway  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:16:13am

re: #88 experiencedtraveller

Which lizard has been pulling longest for Palin VP?

me?

115 transient  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:16:26am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Rehabilitating whales does work sometimes, but usually it's just a fluke.


What's your evidence? Please supply the appropriate cetacean.

116 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:16:31am

re: #88 experiencedtraveller

Which lizard has been pulling longest for Palin VP?

I don't know, but you all had me well prepared for discussions in the real world last week.

When people said, "Who?," I was able to give them fact after fact after fact and say thay "people I know" have been pulling for her for VP for quite a while.

It closed down the "unknown" attack that some of the LLL were starting to make before it got out of the gate. Just made them look uninformed about someone quite well-known.

117 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:16:42am

re: #111 zombie

i really didn't wake up this morning thinking, "Today is Whale Pun Day! Start polishing all my whale pun classics! I'm so excited!" And yet, here we are.

It's the right thing to do!

118 Midwestprof  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:17:24am

A footnote before heading back to my afternoon classes: My students (senior engineering students) loved Sarah Palin's speech last night and are fired up for the McCain/Palin ticket.

Gotta go.

119 cblesz  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:17:32am

Cannot wait for the polls next week. The next couple of day polls will tell us nothing. Next week, after the country has been able to digest this will be telling. Then, the debates when Barry and Plugs get drilled.

120 vxbush  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:17:38am

re: #105 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If so, I love it!

I got in late but I added a downding. It needed one more.

121 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:17:58am

Well regardless of who was first on the Sarah Bandwagon here, when we hear everyone say she was an unknown, we can all just smile. We knew.

122 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:18:16am

re: #119 cblesz

Cannot wait for the polls next week. The next couple of day polls will tell us nothing. Next week, after the country has been able to digest this will be telling. Then, the debates when Barry and Plugs get drilled.

Heh. Drill Obama, Drill Biden.

123 Molon Labe  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:18:21am

Does anyone have a link to the Jon Voigt-narrated background video on Palin that they had to skip last night?

124 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:18:44am

Later gators

125 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:19:13am

re: #120 vxbush

I got in late but I added a downding. It needed one more.

We should keep publicizing the link to it.

126 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:19:14am

re: #122 Honorary Yooper

Heh. Drill Obama, Drill Biden.

Now THERE'S some oil we could do without.

127 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:19:50am

re: #94 Nevergiveup

I have been on the bandwagon for a few months now.

Me too. I've seen her interviews on YouTube.com. You can get the truth about what the "scandal" is all about as well as other interesting glimpses into who she is and what she's like.

128 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:19:53am

re: #123 Molon Labe

Does anyone have a link to the Jon Voigt-narrated background video on Palin that they had to skip last night?

There's a link from the front page at fox (their video links never work for me).

129 TN_Vol  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:20:11am

Is it just me, or do all of the Dems seem a little grumpy today?

130 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:20:14am

re: #123 Molon Labe

Does anyone have a link to the Jon Voigt-narrated background video on Palin that they had to skip last night?

[Link: patdollard.com...]
It's in the spinoff links.

131 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:20:37am

re: #123 Molon Labe

Does anyone have a link to the Jon Voigt-narrated background video on Palin that they had to skip last night?


Did they skip it or was it on earlier? I didn't start watching until Rudy came out at 10pm edt.

132 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:20:48am

re: #80 Killer Tomato

excellent advice, but only for the people that live in the contested states. for me, in New York, I might as well hang with my children and do out usual thing. oh, and pray... :)

133 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:20:52am
134 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:20:55am

re: #123 Molon Labe

Does anyone have a link to the Jon Voigt-narrated background video on Palin that they had to skip last night?

Why did they skip it?

135 keyword  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:21:05am

Alaska?
.
Alaska?

/P.Diddy

136 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:21:06am

re: #126 MrSilverDragon

err... forgot to include this...

(snake)

137 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:21:11am

re: #129 TN_Vol

Is it just me, or do all of the Dems seem a little grumpy today?

They didn't know she existed last week, but now they hates her.

Must be over target, receiving flak.

138 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:21:12am

re: #43 realwest

No, they're not.

McCain's up.

139 cblesz  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:22:12am

re: #135 keyword

Alaska?
.
Alaska?

/P.Diddy

P.Diddy=subhuman...Um, jackass...Delaware? Delaware?

140 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:22:31am

re: #97 Vergeltung

ridiculous. not to mention complete monday-morning quaterbacking and speculative. name one...

Sorry, I am not going to be baited into raining on this Palin love-fest. You call me ridiculous, a Monday morning quarterback, and speculative, and THEN ask me to offer up my thoughts. Why? You have made up your mind, and I sure am not going to try to change it. I was merely stating that I think that there are better choices in this country for Republican VP and that the state of politics in this country, and the way politicians conduct themselves, is embarrassing to me.

141 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:22:47am

re: #42 Samita

Inuit are allowed to hunt Whale as a part of their cultural heritage.

It's very limited and done respectfully

Just jumping in here, slightly OT;
It is indeed done respectfully - because if you don't, according to the Inuit, you will never have any hunting success again. And one has to invoke the spirit of the animal before the hunt, and thank it afterwards for agreeing to be caught.
And although every part of the animal is used, one piece is left and kept out of reverence to the spirit of the animal.

142 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:22:52am

re: #113 Sol Roth

Sarah "The Knife" Palin. ---Rush

In response to: "What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?"

143 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:23:31am

re: #106 Nevergiveup

I can't think of any viable candidate that would have energized the base more than Sarah Palin, and that was McCain's biggest problem!

agreed. that was kinda my point. I'm calling his bluff.

144 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:23:44am

re: #135 keyword

Alaska?
.
Alaska?

/P.Diddy

Pssst, Diddy, you're lead candidate is from Hawaii.

145 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:24:02am

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

A nation in Limbo!

How low can you go?

a nation of limbo bimbos.

146 vxbush  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:24:04am

re: #142 midwestgak

In response to: "What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?"

Ah. Barracuda. She's got fresh bait.

147 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:24:44am

re: #143 Vergeltung

agreed. that was kinda my point. I'm calling his bluff.

Bluff?

148 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:25:13am

Hillary must really hate it. Overnight she has been eclipsed by Palin -- a woman who's succeeded due to her own accomplishments. Plus, Hillary knows that Bill is lusting after Sarah.

149 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:25:25am

re: #120 vxbush

I got in late but I added a downding. It needed one more.

anyway to get a direct link to the post, instead of the whole thread? or maybe the number of the post within the thread?

TIA.

150 pianogirl  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:25:30am

re: #129 TN_Vol

Yep, they are very grumpy...one might call it Palin Derangement Syndrome, although The Anchoress takes it one step farther...

Sarah is a girl. She can’t give them PDS. She gives them PMS: Palin Madness Syndrome. In fact, that is what I think we should start calling the press:

151 jill e  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:25:30am

I was a Gloria Steinem feminist in the 1970s. I had a subscription to Ms. magazine and I wore the t-shirt that said, "When God created Man, She was only kidding." But I came to realize that radical feminists really dislike women...I think they secretly despised themselves...they are selfishly turned inward and look at the world through angry eyes. They can never really understand true service aimed at helping others.


Any woman who understands the problems of running a home will be nearer to understanding the problems of running a country.
—Margaret Thatcher
152 McJenny50  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:25:35am

re: #18 Fat Jolly Penguin

~asshat-france is now at -250...

The scary thing is that 6 people dinged her up

153 simpleman  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:26:12am

Watching this speech last night made me understand what it must have felt like to watch Reagan. I am too young to have remembered Reagan, but I am well-read on his influence among conservatives and all Americans alike. He instilled a perpetual pride that I believe is echoing through Sarah Palin right now. Great speech.

I can't believe that the media is asking whether or not she is ready to serve because of her family issues. Reporters would never ask a man these questions. They didn't even ask Hillary these questions. I understand that Hillary is further along in life than is Gov. Palin. However, no one, not one reporter asked Hillary if she was ready to balance the Presidency and her responsibilities at home with a special-needs husband.

154 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:26:15am

re: #99 Sol Roth

Iron Fist?

i think you are right

155 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:26:19am

re: #148 HelloDare

Hillary must really hate it. Overnight she has been eclipsed by Palin -- a woman who's succeeded due to her own accomplishments. Plus, Hillary knows that Bill is lusting after Sarah.

AA UK paper today characterized Hil as "a woman who tried to bitch her way to the top..."

Thuuuwack!

156 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:26:23am
157 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:26:25am

re: #152 McJenny50

The scary thing is that 6 people dinged her up

Probably hit the wrong button.

158 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:26:43am

Just got this in an email, is this correct?

Don't dismiss the fact that Sarah Palin is Commander of the Alaska National Guard-- consider this.

Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.

As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's and certainly by far exceeds Obama's.

She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.

Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska 's proximity to Russia , she may have security clearances we don't even know about.

According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets.

She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

159 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:26:46am

re: #152 McJenny50

The scary thing is that 6 people dinged her up

It's been mentioned upthread that at least 3-4 of them immediatly said they hit the wrong ding, it was meant to be down

160 the lizard  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:07am

re: #150 pianogirl

Yep, they are very grumpy...one might call it Palin Derangement Syndrome, although The Anchoress takes it one step farther...

I suggested that over on Michelle Malkin's site on Saturday. I think it's more fitting. they really are PMS'ing over Palin.

161 The Dajjal  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:13am

So there was Sarah... walking to the plate with bases loaded at the bottom of the 9th. All eyes are on her. She takes the hand-off from Guiliani and skates quickly across center-ice checking the opposing team's captain hard up against the glass. She ducks a left jab and lands a right hook sending her opponent up against the ropes. She breaks the clinch and with fancy footwork dribbles to half court and fires the puck with a slap-shot over the backfielders where it lands on the green taking a high bounce. The ball swishes the net scoring the winning field goal as she breaks the tape taking the checkered flag at the buzzer without even breaking a sweat!

162 akak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:16am

China funding Hamas?

It must be 3am somewhere in the world, anyone have Barry's tel #?

163 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:22am

Messiah.

164 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:26am

re: #156 Typicalwhitey

Hmmm...Independents

If your gonna link to that swamp, you really ought to warn us.
/

165 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:32am

re: #149 Vergeltung

anyway to get a direct link to the post, instead of the whole thread? or maybe the number of the post within the thread?

TIA.

Here.

166 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:59am

re: #152 McJenny50

The scary thing is that 6 people dinged her up

Could be accidental updings. The buttons are kind of close.

/giving benefit of the doubt.

167 Bobibutu  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:28:18am

re: #152 McJenny50

The scary thing is that 6 people dinged her up

Several of those have already stated that they miss clicked.

168 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:28:28am

re: #165 Fat Jolly Penguin

Here.

Or here.

169 mike332  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:28:47am

re: #138 Dianna

Please check your email.

170 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:28:48am

re: #158 newsjunkie_ky

She is Commander of the Alaskan national Guard. The rest I have no idea, nor should I.

171 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:28:58am

re: #88 experiencedtraveller

Killian Bundy?

172 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:29:07am

re: #161 The Dajjal

So there was Sarah... walking to the plate with bases loaded at the bottom of the 9th. All eyes are on her. She takes the hand-off from Guiliani and skates quickly across center-ice checking the opposing team's captain hard up against the glass. She ducks a left jab and lands a right hook sending her opponent up against the ropes. She breaks the clinch and with fancy footwork dribbles to half court and fires the puck with a slap-shot over the backfielders where it lands on the green taking a high bounce. The ball swishes the net scoring the winning field goal as she breaks the tape taking the checkered flag at the buzzer without even breaking a sweat!

TOUCHDOWNHOMERUNGOALTHREPOINTERKNOCKOUT

173 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:29:11am

re: #151 jill e
The favorite Tee-Shirt I ever saw a girl wear said:
You can't be first but you might be next..

174 A.W.  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:29:11am

As great as this speech was (and it WAS great), I also want to call everyone attention to the very moving tribute to the fallen Hero, Michael Monsoor.

This tribute is no less than beautiful. And there is only about 3 seconds of anything at all political about it (bush crying, and the use of the phrase "country first"). Even if you are a dem, you should be able to watch in awe of the simple selflessness of the man.

And Charles, I think it deserves a posting on the main page.

As for Palin, nothing is more dangerous than a mother grizzly bear after you have hurt her child. With a winning and cheerful smile, she crushed Obama under her stiletto heels. She beat him like a bongo drum. Damn, that was fun to watch.

175 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:29:28am

re: #148 HelloDare

Hillary must really hate it. Overnight she has been eclipsed by Palin -- a woman who's succeeded due to her own accomplishments. Plus, Hillary knows that Bill is lusting after Sarah.

Hillary who?

176 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:29:36am

re: #140 Creeping Eruption

Sorry, I am not going to be baited into raining on this Palin love-fest. You call me ridiculous, a Monday morning quarterback, and speculative, and THEN ask me to offer up my thoughts. Why? You have made up your mind, and I sure am not going to try to change it. I was merely stating that I think that there are better choices in this country for Republican VP and that the state of politics in this country, and the way politicians conduct themselves, is embarrassing to me.

that is a meta issue, almost beyond the topic here. politics is effed up, is that what you are trying to say? well, no shiite, sherlock. (insert rolling eyes emoticon here).

177 Bobibutu  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:30:16am

re: #158 newsjunkie_ky

except for this piece ... Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's ... the rest is so.

178 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:30:39am

re: #174 A.W.

As great as this speech was (and it WAS great), I also want to call everyone attention to the very moving tribute to the fallen Hero, Michael Monsoor.

[Link: soundpolitics.com...]

This tribute is no less than beautiful. And there is only about 3 seconds of anything at all political about it (bush crying, and the use of the phrase "country first"). Even if you are a dem, you should be able to watch in awe of the simple selflessness of the man.

And Charles, I think it deserves a posting on the main page.

As for Palin, nothing is more dangerous than a mother grizzly bear after you have hurt her child. With a winning and cheerful smile, she crushed Obama under her stiletto heels. She beat him like a bongo drum. Damn, that was fun to watch.

That video comes with a hanky alert, you'll need a few.

179 joncelli  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:30:50am

re: #85 Nevergiveup

At the buffet?

180 Molon Labe  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:31:01am

re: #134 Nevergiveup

Why did they skip it?

Because Rudy ran long, as I understand it.

181 Kulhwch  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:31:03am

Sarah Palin's speech was awesome, it's obvious she's heading to Washington, and here's some music to help her on her trip.

}:)     [Requiescat In Pace Jerry Reed 9/1/8 ... ]

182 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:31:14am

Someone please search the archives and see when the first commenter noted 'Palin'.

/Yes I'm an idiot who cannot navigate the advanced search calender function...

183 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:31:15am

re: #152 McJenny50

The scary thing is that 6 people dinged her up

I tried to see who dinged her up, there were so many down dings Firefox crashed.

184 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:32:39am

re: #179 joncelli

At the buffet?

Whale is gambling word the casino's used for a really really big gambler.

185 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:32:41am

re: #182 experiencedtraveller

I tried but I'm having trouble, too.

186 Sifty  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:33:02am

Just sent $100 to Palin/McCain.

And the suggestion came from Mrs. Sifty. Awesome progress is being made with my Rove Family-Brainwashing Kit.

187 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:33:58am

re: #140 Creeping Eruption

I was merely stating that I think that there are better choices in this country for Republican VP and that the state of politics in this country, and the way politicians conduct themselves, is embarrassing to me.

Welcome to politics in America. Please don't tell me that you were under the impression that you would personally get every your way on single issue you want. No one gets that. Heck, I am happy if I get about half of what I want.

188 Asmodeus  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:34:11am

re: #9 zombie

More like the Daggers and Ream speech.

189 Arbalest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:34:20am

Has the Obama campaign officially commented on Gov. Palin's speech?

My guess is that they're in no hurry to do so; they're probably spending most of their time "slatherng themselves in Bactine".

It seems to have been a bad week for the Demos (after all, Zeus did reposess his styrofoam Greek Columns):

- The selection of Gov. Palin as candidate for VP seems to have caught virtually every pundit in a state of "otherwise occupied" with door locked

- P. Diddy's inarticulate (a rapper at a loss for words: ha ha ha ha) mumbling doubtless reached several hundred thousand teens

- Gov. Palin's speech seems to have had a certain effect on the Demos; I've seen similar effects on golf balls at and just beyond the far end of a driving range (the golf balls look unhappy)

- Kwame Kilpatrick, Mayor of Detroit and admired by BHO, seems to have confessed to two felonies today (can he and Rezko be cellmates?)


Any InTrade reports on futures for the makers of antiseptic and soothing salves and balms? Which way is Chapstik stock moving?

190 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:34:28am
191 Sprite  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:34:51am

Is it too soon to order my bumper sticker?

Palin/First Dude 2012

192 joncelli  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:35:19am

re: #118 Midwestprof

Engineers are historically conservative, which is a good trait in somebody who is designing bridges and the like, IMHO.

193 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:35:35am

re: #111 zombie

i really didn't wake up this morning thinking, "Today is Whale Pun Day! Start polishing all my whale pun classics! I'm so excited!" And yet, here we are.

Humphrey the Humpback whale.

194 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:35:39am

Every conversation I've had today has turned to Palins performance last night. Unanimously loved. Do pollsters measure favorable opinions of VP candidates or do we wait for general polling after the convention ends?

195 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:35:52am

re: #152 McJenny50

So far 3 of those have been shown to be mouse-twitch errors.
Perhaps the rest are, too.

196 RTLM  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:35:55am

re: #171 wolfie

That was my pick...

197 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:35:55am

re: #190 taxfreekiller

-278 now

How low can you go and the winner of the limbo contest is...

198 Intifan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:36:14am

As I was watching the speech I got so excited that I kept forgetting that she isn't actually the candidate for president. :) Then I would remember that John McCain is. :( Ah well, maybe next time around... At least for now I can cast a vote for Palin instead of a vote against Obama.

199 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:36:27am

Message at John McCain's campaign store:

At this time, due to high volume orders, please allow 7-10 business days (M-F) until order ships out from our facility.

Gee, I can't imagine why.

200 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:36:41am

re: #134 Nevergiveup

Why did they skip it?

So that Palin could finish her speech before 11 pm EDT. They missed it, but only by a little.

201 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:36:48am

re: #187 rawmuse

I am giving myself a time out until my grammar improves. Later, Lizards.

202 looking closely  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:37:22am

Palin was good, but Giuliani ripped the cover off the ball.

His foot is *still* lodged up Obama's posterior after that "When you're President, you can't just be present you actually have to make a decision" quip.

203 guzziguy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:37:27am

re: #10 Sizzlack

OT: Does anyone know where a list of people who have previously spoken at Trinity Church could be found?

Buried as deeply as the bHo campaign can get it.

204 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:38:06am

re: #173 HoosierHoops

The favorite Tee-Shirt I ever saw a girl wear said:
You can't be first but you might be next..

Best Bumper Sticker I ever saw, on an old 60's style VW Hippie Bus

"This May Not Be The MAYFLOWER, But Your Sister Came Across In It"

205 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:38:10am

Will Obama stop any bleeding tonite on the Oreily?

206 right_on_target  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:38:24am

re: #152 McJenny50

The scary thing is that 6 people dinged her up

Some of those probably slipped with the mouse.

207 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:38:42am

re: #176 Vergeltung

that is a meta issue, almost beyond the topic here. politics is effed up, is that what you are trying to say? well, no shiite, sherlock. (insert rolling eyes emoticon here).

Well then, roll away Vergeltung. Don't know what to tell you. I find these speeches (Dem and Repub alike) bereft of anything meaningful and only an opportunity to trade shots with the opponent. Witty one-liners are great to excite the base, but thy tell me nothing about what this person is going to do once in office.

208 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:39:11am

re: #204 sattv4u2

Best Bumper Sticker I ever saw, on an old 60's style VW Hippie Bus

"This May Not Be The MAYFLOWER, But Your Sister Came Across In It"

My sister is a moonbat lesbian. I don't think so!

209 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:39:22am

re: #191 Sprite

Is it too soon to order my bumper sticker?

Palin/First Dude 2012

Palin/Jindal

Or, just to see their heads explode, Palin/Jeb

210 Asmodeus  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:39:30am

re: #140 Creeping Eruption

I know a lot of people would have preferred Romney or Pawlenty, but considering the choice McCain has made in Palin, I don't think you could have asked for a better candidate. If her performance in the last week hasn't been able to at least cement in your mind that this woman is a formidable political power, then what will? I think a lot of people are pissed off because she was plucked from basic obscurity onto the national stage and it's paid off. This was a huge risk, but risk is the middle name of this country and the of the people that are it's citizens.

211 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:39:39am

Ok, I tried again with the search function. The earliest mention I can find of Sarah Palin for VP goes to Kenneth on 6/6/08. Congratulations, Kenneth!

212 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:40:16am
213 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:40:18am

re: #208 Nevergiveup

My sister is a moonbat lesbian. I don't think so!

So's my sister-in-law! LOL!

214 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:40:37am

MSNBC's Maddow Implies Palin Is Anti-Semitic

Maddow: Was she sitting in the pew in her church in Wasilla two weeks ago when a speaker said that the Israelis deserve terrorist attacks, because Jews are unbelievers in Christ?

Strange.

I thought they thought there was nothing wrong with Rev Wright.

215 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:40:48am

re: #199 Fat Jolly Penguin

Message at John McCain's campaign store:


Gee, I can't imagine why.


Couldn't find a "Country First" t-shirt. That's what I want.

216 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:41:03am
217 joncelli  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:41:15am

re: #184 Nevergiveup

Ah. When we were there in June there were some...rather portly people at the buffets. But I just learned something, so thanks.

218 Sprite  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:41:47am

re: #209 Silhouette

lol! I just had to honor First Dude there for a moment. ;)

219 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:41:59am

re: #198 Intifan

As I was watching the speech I got so excited that I kept forgetting that she isn't actually the candidate for president. :) Then I would remember that John McCain is. :( Ah well, maybe next time around... At least for now I can cast a vote for Palin instead of a vote against Obama.

Take the long view. Palin solidified the (R) base, appeals to the disaffected HRC PUMA vote, and will pull in a good chunk of middle America that doesn't pay much attention.

Barring the unforeseen, and McCain looks good, 8 years of McCain, puts Palin in the drivers seat Between now and '24 all the liberals on the court will be gone.

The left is panicked because they see the last 40 of "progress" going down the tubes. If you think the last three days of attack on Palin was over the top... you ain't seen nothing yet.

220 looking closely  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:42:08am

re: #205 DeafDog

Will Obama stop any bleeding tonite on the Oreily?


Depends on O'Reilly and the nature of the interview.

I can't imagine Obama would subject himself to an unscripted interview from O'Reilly. The stakes are too high for him, and O'Reilly could really rip him a new one in that kind of format.

So its likely to be a scripted thing, where Obama spits out his pre-written answers to O'Reilly's pre-written questions. That's pretty much a no-lose scenario for Obama, though how much he can redeem himself depends on the nature of the questions.

But really, there's not a lot Obama can say. What's he going to do, call Palin a pissant mayor again? Say that voting "present" is the kind of leadership America needs?

221 Sifty  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:42:14am

re: #205 DeafDog

no. he will promise to take more of our paycheck and give away more free shit to slackers and illegals.

222 jester6  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:42:24am

Watching Fred Thompson last night reminded me of his performance in Hunt for Red October. He played Admiral Josh Painter and as tensions between the American and Soviet military were rising he uttered this line:

“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it”

The same line could be uttered by Obama or his handlers today. Except they would be talking about the MSM attacks on Palin and the likely blowback. I'll bet they would gladly trade their ability to get their talking points carried by the MSM for the ability to stop this current madness.

223 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:43:18am

re: #187 rawmuse

Welcome to politics in America. Please don't tell me that you were under the impression that you would personally get every your way on single issue you want. No one gets that. Heck, I am happy if I get about half of what I want.

No, not at all. I find the attacks tiresome. Its one thing to point out differences with your opponent, thrust and parry as necessary, but find I little else in what passes for political discourse today. Can you imagine what the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers would look like if they were written today? Its sad and I find it embarrassing.

224 ROP?LOL  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:43:23am

For the second time in my life I'm in love, and my wife's not even jealous!

225 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:44:13am

re: #169 mike332

Reply sent. I hope it makes sense.

226 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:44:30am

re: #208 Nevergiveup

My sister is a moonbat lesbian. I don't think so!

what if it was driven by a hippie moonbat lesbian?

227 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:44:37am

re: #220 looking closely

Depends on O'Reilly and the nature of the interview.

I can't imagine Obama would subject himself to an unscripted interview from O'Reilly. The stakes are too high for him, and O'Reilly could really rip him a new one in that kind of format.

So its likely to be a scripted thing, where Obama spits out his pre-written answers to O'Reilly's pre-written questions. That's pretty much a no-lose scenario for Obama, though how much he can redeem himself depends on the nature of the questions.

But really, there's not a lot Obama can say. What's he going to do, call Palin a pissant mayor again? Say that voting "present" is the kind of leadership America needs?


I am still so pissed off at oreilly doing this.

This is McCains night and for him to allow obama to step on it is classless.

228 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:45:00am

Obama may be feeling sorry he opted out, and his management skills are questionable.

The Obama Campaign's Out of Control Spending

With a burn rate of $42 million a month, Obama's campaign can just barely sustain its current levels of spending. And what's leftover may not be adequate to run the kind of campaign he needs to win. Just consider despite all the money he's raised, Obama has been outspent on television by 3 to 1 in the last two months. All the stagecraft and theatrics has come with a hefty cost.

Compared to the McCain campaign, Obama has spent three-and-a-half times as much on payroll and benefits, ten times on event staging, two-and-a-half times as much on travel and lodging, and three times as much on food and meetings. Despite being given free protection from the Secret Service, which has proven sufficient for other candidates, the Obama campaign has spent nearly $400,000 on outside security consulting, nearly all of it paid to a security firm that specializes in dangers emerging from "political instability, acts of terrorism, kidnapping, white collar crime, and cyber-attacks."

229 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:45:09am

re: #224 ROP?LOL

For the second time in my life I'm in love, and my wife's not even jealous!

My husband asked if I'd be upset if he left me for Sarah Palin. I said heck, I'd leave him for Sarah Palin.

230 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:45:15am
231 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:45:37am

re: #202 looking closely

He was fantastic. I know because my 16 year old son, who is not much interested in the election, came into the room to ask me something when I was watching the speech on computer. It was near the beginning, but he was entranced and watched it all the way to the end. A lot of "whoa's," "zings!," and chuckles.

232 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:45:40am

what a one-two punch they had last night with Rudy's speech then Barracuda's. Awesome. my wife and I had many "lol" moments watching both of them. reminded us both of when we stayed up late during the 2000 election when she was expecting our youngest.

further, I feel, for the first time maybe ever, there's possibly someone headed to the Whitehorse that represents me. the concerns of small town American families, and things that really matter.

I think this is all almost too good to believe...

233 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:45:44am

re: #226 sattv4u2

what if it was driven by a hippie moonbat lesbian?

And I never got the impression she got any, so to speak. And then there are also things I'd just rather not think about. BAAAWAAA

234 TN_Vol  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:46:00am

re: #140 Creeping Eruption

Sorry, I am not going to be baited into raining on this Palin love-fest. You call me ridiculous, a Monday morning quarterback, and speculative, and THEN ask me to offer up my thoughts. Why? You have made up your mind, and I sure am not going to try to change it. I was merely stating that I think that there are better choices in this country for Republican VP and that the state of politics in this country, and the way politicians conduct themselves, is embarrassing to me.


Here's the thing.

Picking/evaluating a VP is a very subjective process. It isn't like a sporting event where you can measure who is the fastest, strongest, etc. From previous threads, when we have discussed potential picks there were a number of suggestions (Thompson, Guiliani, Romney, Huckabee) and if any one of them had been picked you would have had a number of opinions on who might have been a better pick.

There simply isn't a best.

235 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:46:07am

re: #152 McJenny50

The scary thing is that 6 people dinged her up

At least 3 of those WERE accidentals.

236 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:46:15am

re: #220 looking closely

So its likely to be a scripted thing, where Obama spits out his pre-written answers to O'Reilly's pre-written questions.

Questions like: "So, how important is your message of Hope and Change? I'd think it's incredibly important, right?"

237 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:46:38am

re: #214 Ben Hur

MSNBC's Maddow Implies Palin Is Anti-Semitic


Strange.

I thought they thought there was nothing wrong with Rev Wright.


This baloon was already shot down. The guy was a guest at the church and Palin had no way of knowing he was going to attend or what he was about boferhand.

The fact that the mouthpieces are continuing to pursue this angle is that the Dems are very woried about the Jewish vote. If the Jewish vote goes in numbers for McCain, then Florida will be solidly McCain. Also, at the margin, this vote can make a difference in other close states, too.

238 joncelli  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:46:46am

re: #223 Creeping Eruption

The political discourse in the Revolutionary War period made what's going on today look like a tea party (to coin a phrase). There's nothing new under the sun, and damning both their houses is not helpful.

239 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:46:46am

re: #229 doppelganglander

My husband asked if I'd be upset if he left me for Sarah Palin. I said heck, I'd leave him for Sarah Palin.


HAHHAHA!

That is the difference.

She is someone we would be friends with.
I have a special needs niece and her comment about that last night made me proud.

240 seekeroftruth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:46:46am

I'd love to see honest polling of the young voters since Sara Palin has come on to the scene. In my household and around town, she has captivated their attention and is bringing in new voters for McCain.
One other thing - my teenage son had a chance to hear Fred Thompson's speech about McCain's time in Vietnam. It changed his opinion of McCain from an old man to a real life hero.

241 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:47:08am

re: #228 jcm

Despite being given free protection from the Secret Service, which has proven sufficient for other candidates, the Obama campaign has spent nearly $400,000 on outside security consulting

Sweet jebus... the US Secret Service isn't good enough for him?!

242 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:47:31am

re: #223 Creeping Eruption

Have you read some of the attacks from the days of the Federalist and Anti-Federalist writings? How about the vicious attacks on John Adams, the second President?

It is nothing new or different than has been done in American politics for quite some time (like, say, since the 1770s).

243 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:48:09am

re: #242 Honorary Yooper

Have you read some of the attacks from the days of the Federalist and Anti-Federalist writings? How about the vicious attacks on John Adams, the second President?

It is nothing new or different than has been done in American politics for quite some time (like, say, since the 1770s).

Didn't they have pistol duals back then?

244 Sifty  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:48:19am

The latest moonbat attack is that she is a book-burner and wants to ban books from libraries..

Just got a goofy email from hippie central.

245 Kulhwch  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:48:26am

re: #185 doppelganglander

I tried but I'm having trouble, too.

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246 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:48:29am

re: #241 Occasional Reader

Sweet jebus... the US Secret Service isn't good enough for him?!

Secret Service is filled with TWP & bitter clingy types is my guess...

247 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:48:34am

Rasmussen: Obama Beats Palin on Question of Preparedness to Lead Among Independents (By a Whopping 5%!)

He's been campaigning for 2 years.

People know about her for 1 week.

248 rexatosis  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:48:46am

I flipped over to MSNBC after Palin's speech, Matthews, Obermann, and Gregory all looked like they needed grief counselling. They saw the future and "Obama bin Biden" wasn't it. Just the look on their faces made my day:)

249 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:48:57am

re: #243 Nevergiveup

Didn't they have pistol duals back then?

And duels with pistols too.

250 joncelli  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:49:06am

re: #242 Honorary Yooper

GMTA (although your mind is greater since you didn't put in as many cliche's as I did. Sheesh, Jon.)

251 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:49:12am

re: #65 Silhouette

And on the Bridge to Nowhere, after starting out supporting it, turned against it and helped kill it.

252 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:49:26am

re: #228 jcm

specializes in dangers emerging from "political instability, acts of terrorism, kidnapping, white collar crime, and cyber-attacks."

That explains the bang-up job the Obama campaign has done keeping his website scrubbed and clean.

/

253 faraway  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:50:00am

re: #158 newsjunkie_ky

I hope you don't mind if you get quoted elsewhere.

254 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:50:00am

re: #243 Nevergiveup

Didn't they have pistol duals back then?

Yes. They also used to have pistol and cane fights in Congress.

255 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:50:00am

re: #212 taxfreekiller

You can click on the number and see exactly who voted and how.

256 jill e  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:50:18am

Ann Althouse: When a man agonizes that a woman is "brutally cutting," I reach for my Freud text.

257 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:50:28am

re: #245 Kulhwch

rockwieldingprimitive's, Semper Gumbi's and stevieray's up-dings are known to have been accidentals

258 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:50:29am

re: #202 looking closely

Palin was good, but Giuliani ripped the cover off the ball.

His foot is *still* lodged up Obama's posterior after that "When you're President, you can't just be present you actually have to make a decision" quip.

Yep - he was brilliant! I saw clips of his speech (and read the lot) - and saw a video of Romney as well - who was nice, ok, but not exactly getting people on their feet.

Giuliani however - heh, B0 whacked across the pitch by him and Sarah, nice!

259 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:50:48am

re: #205 DeafDog

No.

260 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:50:55am

re: #254 Honorary Yooper

Yes. They also used to have pistol and cane fights in Congress.

The good old days.

261 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:51:11am

There are some great nics on that list that I've never seen before.

"Carbine Footprint" is hillarious.

262 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:51:31am

re: #247 Ben Hur

Rasmussen: Obama Beats Palin on Question of Preparedness to Lead Among Independents (By a Whopping 5%!)

He's been campaigning for 2 years.

People know about her for 1 week.

Again, you're comparing Palin to Obama. Comparing Palin to Biden makes it even worse. The Democrats have fallen into a trap. And I'm not sure they can recover - in part because the media keeps buying into their nonsense.

263 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:51:38am

re: #230 taxfreekiller

#223

Run for Congress.

or stfu

I didn't want to get drawn into this specifically for these "kos" like responses. I was under the impression that sometimes people here were permitted to dissent from the party line. The response "shut the fuck up" to any criticism makes me feel like I'm over at the dailykos.

264 jill e  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:51:43am

re: #229 doppelganglander

My husband asked if I'd be upset if he left me for Sarah Palin. I said heck, I'd leave him for Sarah Palin.

LOL

I sent my husband the photo of Palin standing by the Harley!

265 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:51:47am

re: #220 looking closely

re: #221 Sifty

Oreily was soft on Hillary. His questions were ok, but there was no follow-up on anything...not like Bill. When there is no follow-up, a smooth talker can get away with a lot.

BHO will get serious questions tonite, but whether he comes out looking sincere or misinformed will depend on how much Bill presses him, and I don't think Bill will press him.

266 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:51:49am

re: #257 pre-Boomer Marine brat

rockwieldingprimitive's, Semper Gumbi's and stevieray's up-dings are known to have been accidentals

They'll be done with their push ups soon...

267 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:52:16am

re: #205 DeafDog

Will Obama stop any bleeding tonite on the Oreily?

O'Reilly was already trying to make nice about Obama last night. Sickening to watch what a sycophant he is. O'blowhard will have his nose so far up BHO's butt he'll be able to smell arugula. Don't expect anything but softball questions.

268 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:52:19am

re: #223 Creeping Eruption

I,too, am sorry that TV was ever invented. Seriously.
I am sorry that we have passed from the print age to the image-and-sound-bite age of mass media.
I am sorry that education in the modern world is instrumental (ideological or vocational) instead of classical and humane.
VERY sorry.
But that is the reality we have to deal with.

269 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:52:20am

re: #214 Ben Hur

What? Did it actually happen, or is that made up?

270 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:52:24am

re: #241 Occasional Reader

Sweet jebus... the US Secret Service isn't good enough for him?!

Just wait until Michelle starts redecorating the White House...

/Tax Increase, get your tax increase here!

271 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:52:32am

re: #247 Ben Hur

Rasmussen: Obama Beats Palin on Question of Preparedness to Lead Among Independents (By a Whopping 5%!)

He's been campaigning for 2 years.

People know about her for 1 week.

And, of course, he's running for... you know... President.

272 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:52:44am

re: #234 TN_Vol

Here's the thing.

Picking/evaluating a VP is a very subjective process. It isn't like a sporting event where you can measure who is the fastest, strongest, etc. From previous threads, when we have discussed potential picks there were a number of suggestions (Thompson, Guiliani, Romney, Huckabee) and if any one of them had been picked you would have had a number of opinions on who might have been a better pick.

There simply isn't a best.

Agreed.

273 WetCoast  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:52:48am

re: #228 jcm

I love it. Isn't managing his campaign what he is hanging his qualifications for President on?

274 infidel Alan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:53:46am

re: #123 Molon Labe

Does anyone have a link to the Jon Voigt-narrated background video on Palin that they had to skip last night?

They are going to play the Palin video tonight.

8 p.m. to 9 p.m.
Speaker: U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.)
Video: "Vice Presidential Nominee Governor Sarah Palin"
Speaker: Former Gov. Tom Ridge (Penn.)
Video: "America’s Place in the World"
Speaker: Mrs. Cindy McCain

275 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:54:09am

re: #242 Honorary Yooper

Have you read some of the attacks from the days of the Federalist and Anti-Federalist writings? How about the vicious attacks on John Adams, the second President?

It is nothing new or different than has been done in American politics for quite some time (like, say, since the 1770s).

I have. Perhaps what I am trying to get at is the delivery? There seemed to be some meat to their arguments, something I see lacking today.

276 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:54:21am

Palin is a street fighter

I read this and got the feeling that the author was trying to hide her approval of Palin (the author is a black woman from Chicago, FYI).

277 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:54:21am

re: #228 jcm

Er,...didn't he say his "executive experience" at running this campaign
qualified him to be POTUS?
Hmmm...

278 godfrey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:54:51am

Good news, lizards: highly-placed Dems that I know are utterly terrified by Sarah Palin and severely demoralized. They acknowledge she is a great speaker, that her speech was better than Obama's, and that she is probably going to be the next President, because they're betting McCain will die in office. (Yes, really.) So, this is all very cheering news.

279 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:55:02am

re: #251 lawhawk

And on the Bridge to Nowhere, after starting out supporting it, turned against it and helped kill it.

Now, I was hearing angry accusations from left-wing callers on CSPAN this morning that "oh, sure, she killed the Bridge to Nowhere, but then Alaska kept that federal money!". Have you seen anything reliable on this? It sounds absurd to suggest that Alaska just gets to "keep" the money, in general treasury, after killing the associated Federal project. The money may have been REALLOCATED to another project, in agreement with the Feds, but that's a horse of a different color.

280 galloping granny  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:55:10am

re: #273 WetCoast

I love it. Isn't managing his campaign what he is hanging his qualifications for President on?

Yup. That is exactly where he only a day or two ago hung his hat for both his executive experience and his budget management skills. :)

281 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:55:12am

From HuffPo, sent to me as an email:

Try as I might, I just cannot stay silent about that speech. I live in the Bay Area, San Francisco to be exact and I've gotta say that despite the multitude of lies and rhetorical slight of hand last night, Palin did tell the truth about one thing. She's a pit bull with lipstick. Could she be more out of touch? To compare SF with Scranton was one of the most insulting things I've ever witnessed come out of a politician's mouth. I don't know about you, but I felt she was implying a whole host of things about my city, my AMERICAN city. Does she really believe that we are over here, having love fests in the streets and flowers in our hair while the good people in Scranton work themselves to the bone? Does she think we don't cling to religion and guns because we are a bunch of elitist wimps? I STRONGLY disagree. We don't cling to religion out here because there truly is freedom. I can walk down the street here and find a mosque, a temple, a buddhist enclave, a wican meeting and a church. And if you know anyone from SF, you know that you have to work your butt off to survive here. If anyone knows how bad the economy is, it's a San Franciscan. I can't be out of work for ONE DAY and pay rent. I can't afford a house and don't get me started about gas prices! The nerve...

Clearly, the writer didn't notice what Obama said in San Francisco, while talking to billionaires.

282 fpxr  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:55:20am

re: #274 infidel Alan

there's a link for it on the foxnews website.

the other speeches ran long and they decided to cut it.

283 dead sea squirrel  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:55:24am

re: #111 zombie

i really didn't wake up this morning thinking, "Today is Whale Pun Day! Start polishing all my whale pun classics! I'm so excited!" And yet, here we are.

It's a privilege we enjoy as American cetaceans.

284 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:55:28am

re: #269 Dianna

What? Did it actually happen, or is that made up?


I don't know.

285 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:55:38am

re: #267 Son of the Black Dog

O'Reilly was already trying to make nice about Obama last night. Sickening to watch what a sycophant he is. O'blowhard will have his nose so far up BHO's butt he'll be able to smell arugula. Don't expect anything but softball questions.


I am not watching o'reilly tonight!

286 WetCoast  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:56:03am

re: #241 Occasional Reader

Hmmm...'outside security consulting'? NOI?

287 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:56:06am

re: #248 rexatosis

I flipped over to MSNBC after Palin's speech, Matthews, Obermann, and Gregory all looked like they needed grief counselling. They saw the future and "Obama bin Biden" wasn't it. Just the look on their faces made my day:)

Side issue - the commentators on both MSNBC and FNC repeatedly said that that some guy named Scully was her speechwriter. All of these speeches have speechwriters, but for some reason they all felt the need to point that out.

288 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:56:19am

re: #275 Creeping Eruption

I have. Perhaps what I am trying to get at is the delivery? There seemed to be some meat to their arguments, something I see lacking today.

I highly doubt calling John Adams, "His Rotundacy", is full of substance and meat.

289 pianogirl  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:56:29am

re: #160 the lizard

I shall credit you in the future!

290 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:56:48am

re: #274 infidel Alan

They are going to play the Palin video tonight.


That could be a good thing, since it extends the Palin excitement into another evening. OTOH, unless McCain is truly "on," he might look like yesterday's meatloaf by comparison.

291 Kulhwch  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:57:08am

re: #257 pre-Boomer Marine brat

rockwieldingprimitive's, Semper Gumbi's and stevieray's up-dings are known to have been accidentals

I can buy that, accidents are a percentage of anything.  Still leaves ggt, marjoriemoon, and Metal Man ... at least one of those still surprizes me.

}:)     [Thanks for letting me know ... ]

292 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:57:16am

re: #10 Sizzlack

OT: Does anyone know where a list of people who have previously spoken at Trinity Church could be found?

Not sure, but check out this little tidbit about PALIN's church.

Palin's Pastor
The disclosure that last month Governor Palin's church hosted the executive director of Jews for Jesus, who told congregants that violence against Israeli Jews is God's punishment for their failure to accept Jesus,
is going to be the next club that Mrs. Palin's leftist critics pick up against her. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency quotes Mrs. Palin's pastor at Wasilla Bible Church, Larry Kroon, as saying that he doesn't believe Jews for Jesus are deceptive. "Look at Paul and Peter and the others — they were Jews and believed in Jesus as the messiah," he told JTA. "There's gentile believers and there's Jewish believers that acknowledge Jesus as messiah. There's Swedish believers."

Mainstream Judaism today rejects the idea that one can believe in Jesus and still be a practicing Jew. Anyone who maintains that the two beliefs are compatible is a pariah in the Jewish community. But these columns have been cautioning against the idea that politicians need to be held accountable for every thing that is said from the pulpits of their congregations. In an editorial of March 18, 2008, "Obama's Moment," we said that religion by its nature calls forth great passion, and that religious institutions — churches, synagogues, mosques — are places where things are often said that strike the congregation in a way that they mightn't strike the wider public.

None of this is to excuse the errors of Senator Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, or of Rev. Kroon. But it is Mr. Obama and Mrs. Palin who are running for office, not the clergymen. To make a big issue of these kinds of things in respect of the candidates, whether they are Democrats or Republicans, would be to impose a religious test for office of the sort that the framers of the Constitution forbade, right in Article VI, when they wrote, "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." No, ever, any. They couldn't have been more emphatic — and not even in an amendment but right there in the original body of the constitution.

Tsk Tsk Mrs. Palin.

What say you, Buzz?

293 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:57:22am

re: #270 experiencedtraveller

Just wait until Michelle starts redecorating the White House...

/Tax Increase, get your tax increase here!

Why do I get the feeling that Obama's USSS detail probably have the same warmth and affection for Michelle, that their counterparts reportedly did for Hillary during the Bubba years?

/

294 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:57:30am

re: #276 celtic templar

Palin is a street fighter

I read this and got the feeling that the author was trying to hide her approval of Palin (the author is a black woman from Chicago, FYI).

Mary Mitchell has been a BHO supporter throughout all of this. She may be trying to stifle any admiration of Palin since it might make Mitchell's head explode.

295 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:57:48am

re: #242 Honorary Yooper

And don't forget that Rachel Jackson essentially died because of the stress of the campaign waged against her husband.

They went out and found her first husband. She and Andrew Jackson had long thought he was dead before they married.

296 joncelli  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:57:51am

re: #278 godfrey

because they're betting McCain will die in office. (Yes, really.)

Such charming people.

297 Spiker  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:57:53am

#239
That's exactly what I've been thinking. Men like her and she's somebody we would be friends with. It's great to see somebody like that finally come along!
Also...my man can run off with her as long as I get to run off with the husband.

298 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:58:10am
299 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:58:19am

Couldn't post this from work, but we were allowed to leave at 1:00 today. This is most likely due to a protest at the capitol, expected to get underway at 1:00. This week we were allowed to go home at 3:00. This new announcement was not planned as of yesterday, so it might have been prompted by notification of some sort by law enforcement.

300 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:58:42am

re: #278 godfrey

Good news, lizards: highly-placed Dems that I know are utterly terrified by Sarah Palin and severely demoralized. They acknowledge she is a great speaker, that her speech was better than Obama's, and that she is probably going to be the next President, because they're betting McCain will die in office. (Yes, really.) So, this is all very cheering news.

Anyone who thinks McCain will die in office can't be that highly placed.

301 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:58:49am
302 looking closely  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:58:55am

re: #227 Typicalwhitey

I am still so pissed off at oreilly doing this.

This is McCains night and for him to allow obama to step on it is classless.

I've always though O'Reilly was an obnoxious (though admittedly sometimes amusing) blowhard, so this doesn't really change my mind about him. I haven't tuned in to "The Factor" in probably 6-7 years, and I'm not going to tonight.

It does at least have the *potential* to get interesting if O'Reilly goes off script and asks some legitimately hard questions.

If *that* happens, my opinion of O'Reilly might change.

303 jester6  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:58:59am

re: #247 Ben Hur

Rasmussen: Obama Beats Palin on Question of Preparedness to Lead Among Independents (By a Whopping 5%!)

He's been campaigning for 2 years.

People know about her for 1 week.

It gets better Kimosabe. The fine print on that Rasmussen article says she was 5% behind Obama in a poll of 1000 likely voters on September 3, 2008. Unless they polled everyone between 11:00p and 12:00a Eastern Time those results largely came before her speech.

This is becoming McCain/Palin's race to lose.

304 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:59:09am

-290 and climbing

BBL this evening

305 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:59:27am

re: #273 WetCoast

I love it. Isn't managing his campaign what he is hanging his qualifications for President on?

One of the responses to Palin already was he's been running a campaign for two years.

306 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:59:56am

re: #287 DeafDog

Side issue - the commentators on both MSNBC and FNC repeatedly said that that some guy named Scully was her speechwriter. All of these speeches have speechwriters, but for some reason they all felt the need to point that out.

Yes, that was a main discussion point at our house.

For everyone else, it is "His speech this" and "Her speech that", but for Palin's we were repeatedly told it wasn't so much her speech as she just read it.

307 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:59:57am

The Democrats are making an epic blunder with their response to Palin. A doubly epic blunder.

First of all, most voters make their decision along strict party lines, so all the spin will have no effect on them whatsoever. Who we're all grappling for are the 20% of wishy-washy undecided voters who are up for grabs. And decades of studies have shown that the one key factor that guides their (admittedly shallow) decision making is: name-recognition and familiarity. (That's why 1952's "I Like Ike" ad was probably the most effective political ad ever.) But the Dems have royally hoisted themselves on their own petard by given Palin screaming headlines in every media outlet for a solid week nonstop, with more to come. They don't seem to realize that it doesn't even matter what the headlines are about: as long as they contain the word "Palin," it increases her name recognition. Every LLL MSM anti-Palin headline probably only serves to earn her more votes. A much cleverer strategy would have been to ignore her completely; that way, come November, enough people will go into the voting booth and say, "Sarah who?" and instead vote for Biden because they vaguely recognize his name. Now it's too late for that. Palin's name and face are emblazoned on the consciousness of even the most apolitical.

Second, they handed the greatest publicity/attention-grabbing engine directly to the Republicans: Female sexuality. Now the Repubs have not one but two highly attractive sexpots (Sarah and Bristol) in their camp, whereas the Dems have none. That is a complete disaster. Every editor, publicist and media analyst in the world will tell you that sex sells and only sex sells. As grotesque and sordid as Paris Hilton and Britney Spears and Angelina Jolie and other celebutant's sex lives are, they demand massive public attention -- even from people that don't even like the stars in question. From here to November it will be all about sexy Republicans, and that spells doom for the Democrats.

And they only have themselves to blame.

308 looking closely  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:00:05pm

re: #281 Dianna

From HuffPo, sent to me as an email:

Clearly, the writer didn't notice what Obama said in San Francisco, while talking to billionaires.

True, but let's face it, Palin isn't getting any significant number of votes in SF anyway.

309 godfrey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:00:10pm

re: #300 DeafDog

It's the thought that he'd die in office that both cheers and demoralizes them. They don't know what to think. They're scared sh*tless.

The Obama bubble has popped.

310 WetCoast  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:00:18pm

re: #280 galloping granny

I see a pattern here. Burns through $100M+ of other people's money with the Annenberg Scam - with no results. Burns through millions a month on his campaign and he's, what, up by 5 points?

This is getting good.

311 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:00:24pm

re: #292 marjoriemoon

Tsk Tsk Mrs. Palin.

What say you, Buzz?

Christians believe that only "saved Christians" can get into Heaven.

SHOCKA! Who knew?

312 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:00:25pm

I watched the Convention coverage on CSPAN last night. I don't care what Alan Colmes has to say about anything. Did the Hawaiian Govs speech get stepped on by the pundits?

313 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:00:40pm

given = giving

314 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:00:52pm

re: #292 marjoriemoon

Tsk Tsk Mrs. Palin.

What say you, Buzz?

Has she been going there for 20 years, and has she had the pastor babysit her kids?

If so, then you might have something there. If not, then the comparison is merely facetious.

315 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:01:06pm

re: #223 Creeping Eruption

No, not at all. I find the attacks tiresome. Its one thing to point out differences with your opponent, thrust and parry as necessary, but find I little else in what passes for political discourse today. Can you imagine what the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers would look like if they were written today? Its sad and I find it embarrassing.

May I just jump in here with an observation?
In today's times of unlimited access to any except truly secret information it is politically highly unwise to let the opponent know in detail - or sometimes even in outline - what one is going to do when in office.
Not just because of the media and the opponents aim to destroy and /or ridicule one's purpose, but because of idea theft pure and simple.

This is the exact mistake our young Tory leadership made lasr year at their conference - they laid out plans about their proposed tax regime.
Gordon Brown, aiming for an early election, had his Chancellor of the exchequer (thats Finance Minister in other countries ...) rip off the most popular ideas and incorporate them in his pre-election (so they thought) budget speech a few weeks later.
The business journalists here are not in cahoots with NuLabour - so they pointed all this out gleefully.
There were no elections after all (Gord wobbled ...) - but the Tories, ever since, have been extremely careful not to give a single hint about actual policy changes they may introduce.

I reckon it is the same with this Presidential campaing .
Let B0 and the dems show their hands - they have not done much showing so far ebcause they ahve nothing.
McCain and Palin ahve spoken about some uncontroversial (for them) policies in regard to energy self-sufficiency - for the rest, they will wait for the debates so as not to give the other camp munition.

316 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:01:06pm

re: #301 Alouette

Now the libs are complaining about her hair.

Yes, we heterosexual men REALLY hate her "naughty librarian" look... don't we, boys?

/

317 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:01:20pm

re: #281 Dianna

From HuffPo, sent to me as an email:


Clearly, the writer didn't notice what Obama said in San Francisco, while talking to billionaires.

"Thank you, Thank you" (hands clapping while looking directly at McCain)

--Sarah Palin Friday night

So I say also to Dianna
:)

318 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:01:28pm

re: #291 Kulhwch

I can buy that, accidents are a percentage of anything.  Still leaves ggt, marjoriemoon, and Metal Man ... at least one of those still surprizes me.

}:)     [Thanks for letting me know ... ]

Yea, well I never much ran with the pack.

319 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:01:29pm

re: #292 marjoriemoon

Hmm. Your upding of asshat-france last night wasn't a fluke, then.

Incidentally, that little turd has reached -291 now.

320 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:01:45pm

re: #304 pre-Boomer Marine brat

-290 and climbing

BBL this evening

-290 and diving...
What's implosion depth?

321 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:02:44pm

re: #301 Alouette

Now the libs are complaining about her hair.

“It’s about 20 years out of date,” said Boston stylist Mario Russo of the Alaska governor’s ’do. “Which goes to show how off she might be on current events.”

Aren't pantsuits 20 years out of date?

322 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:02:55pm

re: #319 Fat Jolly Penguin

Hmm. Your upding of asshat-france last night wasn't a fluke, then.

Incidentally, that little turd has reached -291 now.

How does one downding? Newbie here.

323 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:02:58pm

So the Obama has outside security? Prolly a food taster as well. Any bets that they are hooked up with NOI?

324 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:03:11pm

re: #278 godfrey

because they're betting McCain will die in office. (Yes, really.)

The ageism coming from the "tolerant" lefties I know borders on the worst bigotry I've ever seen. By their logiv, old is worthless, demented, barely ambulatory, and anyone over 65 is going to drop dead at any moment.

325 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:03:19pm
326 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:03:51pm

re: #314 Honorary Yooper

Has she been going there for 20 years, and has she had the pastor babysit her kids?

If so, then you might have something there. If not, then the comparison is merely facetious.

Maybe, maybe not... Pretty horrible statement to the Jewish ear anyway. The question is, will the Dems seize on it?

327 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:03:59pm

re: #223 Creeping Eruption

No, not at all. I find the attacks tiresome. Its one thing to point out differences with your opponent, thrust and parry as necessary, but find I little else in what passes for political discourse today. Can you imagine what the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers would look like if they were written today? Its sad and I find it embarrassing.

Frankly, I think our political style today is tea & crumpets compared to that of the early Republic.

"Alien & Sedition Act" ring a bell?

328 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:04:09pm

re: #322 midwestgak

How does one downding? Newbie here.

Simply hit the red minus button at the top of the comment.

329 Albemarle  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:04:17pm

Anyone else seen TighRoslin.com ? lol

330 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:04:21pm

re: #288 Honorary Yooper

I highly doubt calling John Adams, "His Rotundacy", is full of substance and meat.

"His Rotundity", please. It was a jab when John Adams wanted to make the prescribed form of address for the President something more impressive than "Mr. President."

331 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:04:34pm

re: #328 Fat Jolly Penguin

Simply hit the red minus button at the top of the comment.

Oh, and if you like it, hit the green plus.

332 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:04:50pm

re: #319 Fat Jolly Penguin

Hmm. Your upding of asshat-france last night wasn't a fluke, then.

Incidentally, that little turd has reached -291 now.

No fluke. Her comment about Trig was insensitive, but I'm not a fan of Palin in the least.

333 Spider Mensch  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:04:54pm

re: #281 Dianna

We don't cling to religion out here because there truly is freedom. I can walk down the street here and find a mosque, a temple, a buddhist enclave, a wican meeting and a church. And if you know anyone from SF, you know that you have to work your butt off to survive here

heh..better fwd them some of zombies photo expose of those innocent San fran gay time parades...oy vay!

334 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:05:00pm

re: #306 Silhouette

Yes, that was a main discussion point at our house.

For everyone else, it is "His speech this" and "Her speech that", but for Palin's we were repeatedly told it wasn't so much her speech as she just read it.

If it was just MSNBC, I would have written it off. I don't think it was sexism because they never do that with Hillary, either. But there is a behind-the-scenes story here. This guy Scully called in some chips with the commentators is my guess.

335 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:05:16pm

re: #328 Fat Jolly Penguin

I just updinged ya. Thanks

336 godfrey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:05:16pm

re: #326 marjoriemoon

And then the question will be, "How will Palin forthrightly address it?"

Which she will. Probably adroitly. With strong support for Israel.

337 wee fury  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:05:20pm

re: #325 taxfreekiller

Who says John Kerry is not sexy?

Kerry reminds me of a piece of Beef Jerky. Dried up and stringy.
Not sexy.

338 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:05:29pm

re: #322 midwestgak

How does one downding? Newbie here.

Click the little red - (down) or green + (up) in the upper right of each comment.

If you think the lizard master should know about a particularly offensive, or note worthy comment click the ! and report or recommend.

Click the number shows who voted and how on the comment.

339 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:05:31pm

re: #320 jcm

-290 and diving...
What's implosion depth?

Heh. The hull is making those creaking noises; a small pipe just burst...

340 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:05:41pm
341 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:06:07pm

re: #331 Fat Jolly Penguin

I just updinged you too. Thanks

342 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:06:21pm

re: #278 godfrey

Good news, lizards: highly-placed Dems that I know are utterly terrified by Sarah Palin and severely demoralized. They acknowledge she is a great speaker, that her speech was better than Obama's, and that she is probably going to be the next President, because they're betting McCain will die in office. (Yes, really.) So, this is all very cheering news.


Except for ...Mc Cain!

343 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:06:24pm

re: #281 Dianna

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I'd love to tell her that my town, probably about the same size as Scranton if not smaller, has a mosque. Even right here on the buckle of the Bible belt, we've got freedom of religion -- you can have any one you like or none at all. For a resident of such a beautiful, cosmopolitan city, she's got a very parochial mindset.

344 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:06:24pm

re: #326 marjoriemoon

Maybe, maybe not... Pretty horrible statement to the Jewish ear anyway. The question is, will the Dems seize on it?

If they seize it, they risk the entire Jeremiah Wright story coming back up from the depths, but only this time, there'll be more questions asked.

It, like so many other attack angles the Dems have this time, is a Catch 22.

345 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:06:25pm

re: #337 wee fury

Kerry reminds me of a piece of Beef Jerky. Dried up and stringy.
Not sexy.

Is it true he served in Vietnam? I heard a rumor.

346 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:06:48pm

Archaeologists Uncover Jerusalem's Ancient Walls

Zionist plot.

/Columbia University.

347 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:06:49pm

re: #328 Fat Jolly Penguin

re: #322 midwestgak

How does one downding? Newbie here.

Simply hit the red minus button at the top of the comment.

[ahem] but first you have to mail each of us a certified check for the "Newbie Downding Enabling Fee" ($50 each to everyone on line now). RIGHT, FJP? [nudge nudge]

348 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:07:00pm

re: #212 taxfreekiller

are there any + votes on the #363 annefrance thingey?

if so, whom da they be

tfk,
I confess, one was mine. But it was an accident. PUI (Posting Under the Influence)

349 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:07:26pm

Darn it. I'm stuck in the process of whacking someone with a cluebat.

Bye.

350 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:07:35pm

re: #347 Occasional Reader

[ahem] but first you have to mail each of us a certified check for the "Newbie Downding Enabling Fee" ($50 each to everyone on line now). RIGHT, FJP? [nudge nudge]

Oh yes, that's right! How could I have forgotten that?

351 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:07:48pm

re: #31 Creeping Eruption

Well - so much for BarkaLounger quarterbacking.

352 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:07:57pm

re: #338 jcm

Updinged you too. Lizards are the best!

353 maddogg  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:08:08pm

Dang! AnneFwog is up (down?) to -308, will that record ever be undercut?

354 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:08:08pm

re: #320 jcm

-290 and diving...
What's implosion depth?

I guess we'll find out as the comment passes the -300 mark.

355 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:08:15pm

re: #292 marjoriemoon

Tsk, tsk, marjoriemoon.
"Messianic Jews" are, to put it mildly, not anti-semites.
If you equate them with Farrakhan-loving black-supremacist bigots, then you are confusing theology with ideology.
Now, you may despise "Jews for Jesus" as much as you do rabid anti-semites. That just makes you a religious fanatic. But if you confuse the two, you are an imbecile.

356 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:08:32pm

re: #292 marjoriemoon

Yawnnn, Governor Palin was in the ladies room when they were supposedly at the church. Take your dissembling and shove it.

357 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:08:36pm

re: #308 looking closely

I don't know that, and neither do you.

358 jester6  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:09:11pm

re: #307 zombie

Great post Zombie.

But I think there is a third point. Over the last few days I have come to realize the MSM really does not understand middle America. They are making comments or raising issues they think will resonate with us out here in the hinterlands.

The problem is they are speaking to the caricatures they have created in their own minds. They really think mom, dad and the local preacher are Archie Bunker, Rosanne Arnold and the John Lithgow's character from Footloose.

359 godfrey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:09:16pm

re: #332 marjoriemoon

You may not be a fan of Palin, but Palin is a fan of Israel:

Sarah Palin mesmerizes Israeli filmmaker

When asked about Palin's past support of Pat Buchanan, whose anti-Israeli views are common knowledge, Frank said that Palin's support of Buchanan stemmed from his positions in other issues, and that she did not agree with his views of Israel.

"She had an Israeli flag, of all the things, mounted on her office wall, and I have that on film" he said. "I was very surprised to see that and when I asked her about it, she said that she loves Israel and the she had friends who visited the country and brought her the flag."

360 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:09:28pm

re: #279 Occasional Reader

Now, I was hearing angry accusations from left-wing callers on CSPAN this morning that "oh, sure, she killed the Bridge to Nowhere, but then Alaska kept that federal money!". Have you seen anything reliable on this? It sounds absurd to suggest that Alaska just gets to "keep" the money, in general treasury, after killing the associated Federal project. The money may have been REALLOCATED to another project, in agreement with the Feds, but that's a horse of a different color.


I heard that she used the funds to pave the roads.

361 GGMac  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:09:53pm

A caller to Rush earlier said that from now on he's referring to Palin as:

Sara'cuda, the Arctic Fox

Woot!

362 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:09:55pm

re: #345 jcm

Is it true he served in Vietnam? I heard a rumor.

Wasn't he a foreign exchange student in Cambodia?

363 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:10:05pm

re: #353 maddogg

Dang! AnneFwog is up (down?) to -308, will that record ever be undercut?

Ask Markos to make a comment here. LOL!
Then we'll see some serious down-dinging!

364 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:10:06pm

re: #355 wolfie

Wolfie, trust me, the imbecile is strong in this one, tho some of those here keep it around as a pet.

365 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:10:12pm

re: #299 Noam Sayin'

Couldn't post this from work, but we were allowed to leave at 1:00 today. This is most likely due to a protest at the capitol, expected to get underway at 1:00. This week we were allowed to go home at 3:00. This new announcement was not planned as of yesterday, so it might have been prompted by notification of some sort by law enforcement.

Final Night Protest Threat

366 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:10:16pm

re: #316 Occasional Reader

Yes, we heterosexual men REALLY hate her "naughty librarian" look... don't we, boys?

/


These are the same people that tried to make us beleive that Kerry's daighter was hot.

Even with the (totally planned) see through dress shots and Jon Cusack going as far as making out with her in public to convince us.

Of course that all came to a halt when she was boo-d at the MTV awards and Bush's kids were cheered.

FAIL!

367 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:10:24pm

re: #332 marjoriemoon

No fluke. Her comment about Trig was insensitive, but I'm not a fan of Palin in the least.

And you're basing your opposition on a thin story about a Jews for Jesus guy showing up to speak at the church Palin happens to attend? With no reason to believe that she had any way of knowing about it, approving it, that she supported it in any way, etc.?

Frankly, I can't vouch for everyone who ever was invited to speak at every event organized by the Catholic Church I attended as a kid.

368 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:10:31pm

re: #326 marjoriemoon

Maybe, maybe not... Pretty horrible statement to the Jewish ear anyway. The question is, will the Dems seize on it?

They already have, but, so what? Christians believe that everyone who does not accept Jesus goes to Hell. Did you not know this already?

369 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:11:03pm

re: #307 zombie

Yup ! If they had kept their traps shut, there wouldn't have been 30 million people tuning in to watch a VP's candidates speech.

370 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:11:16pm

re: #366 Ben Hur

These are the same people that tried to make us beleive that Kerry's daighter was hot.

I just threw up in my mouth.

371 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:11:33pm

re: #346 Ben Hur

Archaeologists Uncover Jerusalem's Ancient Walls

Zionist plot.

/Columbia University.

Lies. That wall is from a 2,100 year old mosque.

/what?

372 A.W.  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:11:34pm

Jcm,

No kidding. Me and the wife both. Sorry if that happened without warning.

I like how they seemed to have the attitude that he deserve a tribute every bit as nicely done as a Presidential intro video.

I will say honestly, i would never jump on a grenade without hesitation. i'm not saying i wouldn't do it, under the right circumstances, but there would be hesitation. I am in awe of this young man.

373 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:12:08pm

re: #367 Occasional Reader

And you're basing your opposition on a thin story about a Jews for Jesus guy showing up to speak at the church Palin happens to attend? With no reason to believe that she had any way of knowing about it, approving it, that she supported it in any way, etc.?

Frankly, I can't vouch for everyone who ever was invited to speak at every event organized by the Catholic Church I attended as a kid.

And to boot, it was one time, not the Sunday-in, Sunday-out treatment that Jeremiah Wright gave Barack Obama for 20 years.

374 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:12:51pm

re: #347 Occasional Reader


Just updinged you too.
Oh Sh*t. I'll get the checks made payable to the RNC as I know you all would love to contribute the money for the cause. This way you won't have to be the middleman (people, women)

:)

375 cblesz  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:13:04pm

OK. It is official. I am a loser. I just watched the speech again. For the third time. And still got goosebumps. She is awesome!

376 maddogg  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:13:30pm

re: #363 Honorary Yooper

Ask Markos to make a comment here. LOL!
Then we'll see some serious down-dinging!

If I remember correctly, Markos was a troll here at one time. Then decided to open his own Institute for Mental Midgets. IIRC.

377 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:13:38pm

re: #309 godfrey

It's the thought that he'd die in office that both cheers and demoralizes them. They don't know what to think. They're scared sh*tless.

The Obama bubble has popped.

Yesterday was a good night, but McCain/Palin still have an uphill fight. The Obama bubble is at such a high altitude, two months might not be enough for it to fall all the way to earth.

I do agree, however, that if McCain/Palin win this election, McCain will owe a big debt to Palin. McCain will be throwing his full weight behind her to be his successor (nothing like what Reagan or GWB did). But that is so far in the future that it hardly matters.

378 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:13:38pm

re: #326 marjoriemoon

They'd be fools not to. It's a ridiculous and dreadful statement.

I have never quite gotten the "Jews for Jesus" people. I'd love to hear what Sarah Palin will have to say - if she was in attendance, or even if she wasn't.

379 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:14:53pm

Rove: Palin will be the most tested and most judged.

And she's passed the first test with flying colors.

380 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:14:58pm

re: #311 Alouette

Christians believe that only "saved Christians" can get into Heaven.

SHOCKA! Who knew?

Geepers! Golly!
Actually, it does vary from denomination to denomination. Some denoms say only members of their denom are saved; some, like the Episcopal Church, say only liberal Democrats are.

(Just a joke. Don't smack me, Episcopal lizards!)

381 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:15:07pm
382 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:15:17pm

re: #258 yma o hyd

Yep - he was brilliant! I saw clips of his speech (and read the lot) - and saw a video of Romney as well - who was nice, ok, but not exactly getting people on their feet.

Giuliani however - heh, B0 whacked across the pitch by him and Sarah, nice!


One of the things I noticed about Rudy and maybe it is because I am a women but...
he sounded really angry that someone would dare to question whether she could serve just because she is a woman with children.
No phony outrage, but to me it was real!

383 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:15:17pm

re: #363 Honorary Yooper

Ask Markos to make a comment here. LOL!
Then we'll see some serious down-dinging!

How to you know that isn't Markos posting as assefrance?

384 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:15:21pm

re: #366 Ben Hur


Of course that all came to a halt when she was boo-d at the MTV awards and Bush's kids were cheered.

Really?

385 WetCoast  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:15:25pm

re: #373 Honorary Yooper

Exactly. Wake me up when she says her autobiography was inspired by Jews for Jesus.

Dems clutching at straws.

386 bulwrk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:15:32pm

Obama calls Penn State The Nittaly Lions

387 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:15:40pm

There is another democratic hack on Fox lying thru her teeth again. And as usual she is one of my people. Not in my name, asshole!

388 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:16:00pm

re: #375 cblesz

OK. It is official. I am a loser. I just watched the speech again. For the third time. And still got goosebumps. She is awesome!

I have watched her Friday night speech at least 6 times. Will view yesterday's speech over again as well. Hard to explain the indescrible feeling of patriotism.

389 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:16:09pm

re: #333 Spider Mensch

No, he or she probably regards that the way most people do. If you're not a participant, you probably don't even know it's going on.

The ignorance of current events was my point.

390 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:16:28pm

Al Qeada Pakistani Woman Allegedly Found With 'Attack' Note Skips Court

NEW YORK — A Pakistani woman believed to have close ties to Al Qaeda and who was captured with a list of potential U.S. landmarks for a “mass casualty attack” skipped court Thursday, apparently to avoid being strip-searched, FOX News has learned.

391 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:16:32pm

re: #344 Honorary Yooper

If they seize it, they risk the entire Jeremiah Wright story coming back up from the depths, but only this time, there'll be more questions asked.

It, like so many other attack angles the Dems have this time, is a Catch 22.

That's true. Quite honestly, in the end, I'm not sure the Wright story held any real pull. I mean, if you're a staunch conservative, you're not going to vote for O anyway. It's those middle people that each party needs to court... and the American public has a short memory.

I just find it highly ironic.

392 RickZ  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:16:44pm

re: #377 DeafDog

Yesterday was a good night, . . .

LOL! Sounds like the beginning of a bad crime novel or police procedural.

393 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:16:58pm

re: #223 Creeping Eruption

re: #187 rawmuse

Welcome to politics in America. Please don't tell me that you were under the impression that you would personally get every your way on single issue you want. No one gets that. Heck, I am happy if I get about half of what I want.

No, not at all. I find the attacks tiresome. Its one thing to point out differences with your opponent, thrust and parry as necessary, but find I little else in what passes for political discourse today. Can you imagine what the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers would look like if they were written today? Its sad and I find it embarrassing.

"A b*stard brat of a Scotch Peddler"
-John Adams on Alexander Hamilton

"I considered him a crooked gun whose aim or shot you are never sure of"
-Thomas Jefferson on Aaron Burr

"That mere adventurer from England, without fortune, without family and ignorant of grammar"
-Gvr. Morris on Thomas Paine

394 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:17:06pm

re: #301 Alouette

Now the libs are complaining about her hair.

Honestly - if people have nothing else to criticise but her hair-style ...
What next, the colour of her lipstick?

Its always the same with those lib journos - wimmins rights are okeydoke, but do get yerself a stylist and try ro look like a fashion plate before we can take you seriously.
and if you are so stupid and do this, well, just goes to show that you're an empty-headed fashion-plate and not worthy.
Win-win for lib journos ...

395 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:17:06pm

re: #326 marjoriemoon

Nothing to see here, folks, move along. Look up the 16 Fundamental Truths of the Assemblies of God and you will find the church's core beliefs. Anything else is 1) hearsay, 2) opinion, or 3) political hit jobbery. The dems will eventually run out of their red herrings at this furious rate.

396 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:17:10pm

re: #375 cblesz

It's OK!
Hopfully it won't pass to quickly!
But did you have a "tingling sensation"?

397 godfrey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:17:14pm

re: #386 bulwrk

lol

And in Obama World, the Nittaly Lions are coached by Joe Patterico.

398 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:17:16pm

re: #384 Occasional Reader

Really?


Yes.

399 cblesz  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:17:19pm

re: #386 bulwrk

Obama calls Penn State The Nittaly Lions

No teleprompter...

400 joncelli  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:17:25pm

re: #386 bulwrk

Then he can write off PA, 'cause Penn Staters are a proud, touchy bunch.

401 cblesz  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:17:58pm

re: #396 reloadingisnotahobby

It's OK!
Hopfully it won't pass to quickly!
But did you have a "tingling sensation"?

I certainly do...

402 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:18:15pm

re: #380 wolfie

Geepers! Golly!
Actually, it does vary from denomination to denomination. Some denoms say only members of their denom are saved; some, like the Episcopal Church, say only liberal Democrats are.

(Just a joke. Don't smack me, Episcopal lizards!)

I just saw a comedienne describe a Jehovah Witness saying that only 144,000 people get to go to heaven IIRC. The question was why do JW's go door-to-door, if there is a limited number who get the big prize.

403 rednaxela  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:18:16pm

To me, the best thing about this VP pic is that it gets Washington establishment types like David "Axis" Frum really worked up:

"The Palin choice will intensify GOP support among downscale white voters - while adding to the GOP's difficulties among more educated white voters."

Fuck you Frum.

404 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:18:17pm

For any Jew who thinks the Obama "likes" you , I have two words. Useful idiot.

405 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:18:18pm

re: #381 Iron Fist

And just think: his stellar management of his campaign is what he is quoting as being experience qualifying him for the White House.

Obama will do for the federal budget what he did for his campaign's budget! CHANGE!

(actually... sigh... it's not change, is it? I sure hope McCain and Sarah live up to their promises on fiscal responsibility.)

406 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:18:37pm
407 jorline  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:18:43pm

Boob job of the year annefrance just hit the 300 mark.

408 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:18:59pm

re: #365 doppelganglander

Final Night Protest Threat

Hearsay, of course, but a coworker got a call from an FBI buddy asking if we were going to leave at 1:00. That was about 10:30 this morning.

Did anyone happen to notice the little size-adjusting tab just below the comment window?

Very cool, Charles.

409 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:19:42pm

re: #404 vagabond trader

For any Jew who thinks the Obama "likes" you , I have two words. Useful idiot.

I got a few other words. Go ahead use your imagination.

410 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:19:52pm

re: #311 Alouette

Christians believe that only "saved Christians" can get into Heaven.

SHOCKA! Who knew?

Well that would be all fine and dandy, but what does that have to do with God punishing the Jews for not believing in Jesus? I thought you were Jewish? You don't find that statement the least bit offensive?

411 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:19:54pm

re: #392 RickZ

LOL! Sounds like the beginning of a bad crime novel or police procedural.

Hemingway couldn't say it better.

:-)

412 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:20:28pm

re: #368 Alouette

They already have, but, so what? Christians believe that everyone who does not accept Jesus goes to Hell. Did you not know this already?

Um, I think it's more the part about "... so they deserve terrorist attacks" that's the problem. (If, indeed, that was said.)

413 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:20:52pm

re: #404 vagabond trader

For any Jew who thinks the Obama "likes" you , I have two words. Useful idiot.

I have two others: Open sore.

414 A.W.  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:20:53pm

Here's what I posted on Beldar's blog (and if you haven't been reading Beldar, you must; he was WAY ahead of the loop on Palin):

> This just in. They have found the remains of Barack Obama, having apparently been mauled to death. They are currently checking the bite marks against Palin’s dental records.

> Wow, what a speech. Having slept on it, here is my big insight:

> I think the line about “lipstick” (“The difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom? Lipstick.”) worked because it touched on something going on deep in her and our psyches. This was Momma Bear. This was Signorney Weaver at the end of Aliens going, “get away from her, you b___!” This was, “you’re going to come after my kids? Then I won’t get defensive, or ask you to back off. I will rip your ___ing throat out!”

> Barack likes to borrow this line from The Untouchables: “They bring a knife, you bring a gun. They put one of your guys in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue. That’s the Chicago way.” But tonight, she demonstrated that principle in action. Apparently it is the Juneau way, too.

> But on the other hand, I have had my own internal philosophical debate going on. Are McCain’s ads better, the speeches at the convention better, etc., because they are better at presenting their position? Or do they just have better material to work with? Hmmm...

> Oh, and by the way, Rudy was awesome, too.

> So, night 1: tepid, but solid. And it was meant to be a little more bipartisan.

> Night 2: Barnburners! Somewhere, Zell Miller is smiling.

> Night 3? McCain might very well be upstaged. But I will also say this. As good as Thomspon was, they should tell the story of his capture again, at least in a few evocative lines; I am thinking in the introductory video. Let’s face it, at a blog like this, most of us are political junkies. But believe it or not, most of the rest of the world doesn’t know this about McCain. They can’t overdo this like Kerry did. I will throw something at the TV if he says, “I am John McCain and I am reporting for duty!” But this is the chance to reach the most Americans, and they should make sure all of them know.

I'll add that many people had no idea even in November that Bob Dole was a war hero. He deserved much better than he recieved. Hopefully McCain has learned from his mistakes.

415 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:20:55pm

re: #371 Occasional Reader

LOL.

416 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:21:32pm
417 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:21:45pm

re: #394 yma o hyd

Honestly - if people have nothing else to criticise but her hair-style ...
What next, the colour of her lipstick?

Its always the same with those lib journos - wimmins rights are okeydoke, but do get yerself a stylist and try ro look like a fashion plate before we can take you seriously.
and if you are so stupid and do this, well, just goes to show that you're an empty-headed fashion-plate and not worthy.
Win-win for lib journos ...

I agree with you on that...

...but I was a little concerned to see so many references in one of yesterday's threads to Biden as "Plugs" and related slurs.

It smacked of the slurs of Kathleen Harris' makeup during the 2000 election fiasco in Florida (Florida attorney general in 2000)

418 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:21:46pm
419 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:21:59pm

re: #413 Silhouette

I have two others: Open sore.

scathing wound

420 bulwrk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:22:24pm
421 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:22:25pm

re: #410 marjoriemoon

Well that would be all fine and dandy, but what does that have to do with God punishing the Jews for not believing in Jesus? I thought you were Jewish? You don't find that statement the least bit offensive?

What I find offensive is my fellow co-religionists who put their faith in the Carter/Clinton/Obama school of "Moral Equivelence" and "Even Handed Diplomacy". That is Offensive!

422 saberry0530  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:22:43pm

re: #407 jorline

Boob job of the year annefrance just hit the 300 mark.

Your using boob job like it is a bad thing? Please refrain from use of boob job in any association with the now infamous annefrance.
/

423 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:23:07pm

re: #416 Ben Hur

Reprehensible. Britain has about 20 years left, tops.

424 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:23:20pm

re: #413 Silhouette

I have two others: Open sore.

How about "Joe Biden?"

425 dead sea squirrel  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:23:22pm

re: #383 Alouette

How to you know that isn't Markos posting as assefrance?

Insufficient profanity.

426 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:23:25pm

re: #378 Dianna

They'd be fools not to. It's a ridiculous and dreadful statement.

I have never quite gotten the "Jews for Jesus" people. I'd love to hear what Sarah Palin will have to say - if she was in attendance, or even if she wasn't.

I've met several. The ones I've met it's not complicated, most where born and raised Jewish but at some point became Christian, usually an evangelical form. They feel that preaching the gospel specifically to Jews is special mission for Christians of Jewish heritage.

The ones I've met, would not say, or abide the statements purportedly made in Palin's Church.

There is a section within the Evangelical communality that believes God physically blesses (what I call the prosperity gospel) those who are faithful with material wealth and success. And if individuals are not completely faithful God will punish them with illness, and other "troubles." I do not subscribe to that belief myself.

427 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:23:42pm

re: #383 Alouette

How to you know that isn't Markos posting as assefrance?

Touché.

428 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:24:20pm

Meanwhile, I think Iowahawk lost a step here. He didn't go dumpster diving fast enough because the media stepped all over his lines. The truth is far more bitter and clingy than what Iowahawk could proffer.

429 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:24:21pm

re: #394 yma o hyd

Honestly - if people have nothing else to criticise but her hair-style ...
What next, the colour of her lipstick?

Its always the same with those lib journos - wimmins rights are okeydoke, but do get yerself a stylist and try ro look like a fashion plate before we can take you seriously.
and if you are so stupid and do this, well, just goes to show that you're an empty-headed fashion-plate and not worthy.
Win-win for lib journos ...

Before her speech last night I said wait for the fashion critique.

430 cblesz  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:24:33pm

HOLY CRAP! Drudege has the viewer numbers. Over 37 million watched.

431 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:24:55pm

re: #424 karmic_inquisitor

How about "Joe Biden?"

I didn't know Biden had a anti-semitic track record. Not that I'm shocked.

Elaborate?

432 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:25:05pm

re: #394 yma o hyd

Honestly - if people have nothing else to criticise but her hair-style ...
What next, the colour of her lipstick?

Its always the same with those lib journos - wimmins rights are okeydoke, but do get yerself a stylist and try ro look like a fashion plate before we can take you seriously.
and if you are so stupid and do this, well, just goes to show that you're an empty-headed fashion-plate and not worthy.
Win-win for lib journos ...

I can see it now - American women asking their hair stylists "Can you make it like Sarah Palin, here is a picture". Other women shed their contact lenses for librarian glasses cause their husbands think it's sexier.

433 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:25:08pm
434 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:25:42pm

re: #403 rednaxela

Funny - I'm educated, and (according to tests) I'm very bright. I'm even (slightly - and with many qualifications) pro-choice.

I think Sarah Palin's great.

435 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:25:50pm

re: #382 Typicalwhitey

I noticed it as well.. and many other GOPers were likewise pissed about that. Heck, everyone should be pissed at that kind of condescension, but the Democrats seem to revel in it.

436 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:25:52pm

re: #427 Honorary Yooper

Touché.

Are you related to annefrance?

JUST KIDDING!

its just a french thingy kinda joke

437 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:26:15pm

re: #414 A.W.

First of all ...I don't get many radio stations and I work out doors 90% fo the time!
So, any way on NPR this morning a Frau from Berlin( the one that had the wall),Calls to say" The PITT BULL dog is the symbol
of the neonazi/fasists and that Palin may have subliminally sent a "message" thu her speech!
She made me wish there was still some sort of barrier there!

438 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:26:17pm

re: #416 Ben Hur

Wounded Soldier Forced to Sleep in Car After Hotel Denies Him a Room

Soldiers.

The New Jews.

Corporal Tomos Stringer was told by staff at Metro Hotel, in Woking, that it was company policy not to accept members of the armed forces as guests. The 24-year-old had traveled to the Surrey town to help with funeral preparations for a friend killed in action.

Holy f***g s***t.

439 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:26:55pm

re: #402 debutaunt


I believe, that the JW believe that 144,000 is the number who will be like administrators in heaven, not the total going there.

440 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:27:30pm
441 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:27:57pm

re: #426 jcm

There is a section within the Evangelical communality that believes God physically blesses (what I call the prosperity gospel) those who are faithful with material wealth and success. And if individuals are not completely faithful God will punish them with illness, and other "troubles." I do not subscribe to that belief myself.

I've always found this odd given the specific lesson of the Book of Job that bad things happen to good people, and adversity isn't necessarily linked to punishment for some sin.

442 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:28:08pm

re: #416 Ben Hur

Wounded Soldier Forced to Sleep in Car After Hotel Denies Him a Room

Soldiers.

The New Jews.

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443 A.W.  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:28:29pm

Hello Dare

> Plus, Hillary knows that Bill is lusting after Sarah.

Mmm, I think she is as likely to scare him as attract him. I have a feeling that in no point in her life would she be willing to put up with being demeaned as Bill has with so many other women.

Like if Bill had been married to a woman like Saracuda, and he was caught getting favors from an intern, there would have been no need for an impeachment trial. She would release him into the wild to give him a sporting chance, and then shoot and eat him.

I have said it for years. Hillary is not a real feminist. And its great to have a prominent example of a real feminist, so Hillary will wither in comparison.

444 J.S.  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:28:47pm

re: #292 marjoriemoon

that's also been reported (noted?) at Wikipedia's bio on Palin. the Wiki bio notes that Palin did not support the statements made by that extremist pastor (?)...I don't know...way I figure it -- You really want an Obama as Prez of the U.S? the one who openly supports and hob-nobs with antisemites, radical Muslims, etc? If you want that in the White House, then by all means, don't vote for McCain.

445 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:29:09pm

The Obama emoting on Fox. He cares sooo much. He said Marjoriemoon is one of his favorite pet Jews. Muwahahahahahahaahahahaah!

446 CapeCoddah  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:29:32pm

Good Afternoon all,
I found the "Country First" t-shirts and stuff, pretty sure this place belongs to a lizard, I already bought some stuff there.
[Link: t-shirts.cafepress.com...]

447 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:29:48pm

re: #378 Dianna

They'd be fools not to. It's a ridiculous and dreadful statement.

I have never quite gotten the "Jews for Jesus" people. I'd love to hear what Sarah Palin will have to say - if she was in attendance, or even if she wasn't.

You and me both! I would like to hear her comment about it, too.

448 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:29:54pm

re: #445 vagabond trader

The Obama emoting on Fox. He cares sooo much. He said Marjoriemoon is one of his favorite pet Jews. Muwahahahahahahaahahahaah!

Did he say "empathy" again?

/I feel your pain

449 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:29:54pm

re: #412 Occasional Reader

Um, I think it's more the part about "... so they deserve terrorist attacks" that's the problem. (If, indeed, that was said.)

I doubt that is what the minister said, it is probably taken out of context. However I have heard some Orthodox rabbis claim that the Holocaust was G-D's punishment for not keeping the Sabbath, or not keeping kosher, and they got pounded for it.

450 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:30:00pm

re: #434 Dianna

Funny - I'm educated, and (according to tests) I'm very bright. I'm even (slightly - and with many qualifications) pro-choice.

I think Sarah Palin's great.

You and I apparently went to the wrong schools. ;)

451 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:30:13pm

re: #426 jcm

I thought that the "prosperity gospel" had rather faded out, as Oral Roberts faded from the scene, and so many other, similar televangelists received their come-uppance?

452 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:30:17pm

re: #434 Dianna

Funny - I'm educated, and (according to tests) I'm very bright. I'm even (slightly - and with many qualifications) pro-choice.

I think Sarah Palin's great.

Are you trying to be an exception to the all-Californians-are-leftwing-nuts rule?

453 Killer Tomato  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:30:51pm

re: #420 bulwrk
From your link -

Nielsen Co. reported this afternoon that an estimated 37 million people watched her address on the three broadcast networks, plus CNN, FOX News Channel, and MSNBC. PBS, meanwhile, reported that 3.2 million viewers watched its coverage Wednesday night. That makes Palin's total at least 40 million.

Nielsen also noted that 19.5 million women watched Wednesday night, 4.9 million more than a week ago for the Democratic convention.

454 ladycatnip  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:31:08pm

I just got in so haven't had time to read previous posts - did anyone here mention that the guy operating her teleprompter kept it running and didn't stop for applause which means she gave her speech without the teleprompter. Love to see Obama in that situation.

(source: Michael Medved)

455 Balian1193  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:31:11pm

Considering the overwhelmingly positive reviews of the speech and 37,244,000 watched it, there is ONLY ONE THING the Democrats can do. IGNORE HER and concentrate on McCain.

456 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:31:16pm

Student Obama's Ties to Bigtime Saudi Adviser

When 25-year-old Barack Obama applied to Harvard Law School, he sought a letter of recommendation from Percy Sutton, the former borough president of Manhattan. The person who approached Sutton on Obama's behalf, reports Kenneth Timmerman, was Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, an orthodox Muslim, a black nationalist, an international deal-maker, an educator, and an outspoken enemy of Israel.

Moreover, al-Mansour was been a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers. Timmerman says that Obama met al-Mansour while he was a student at Columbia University in the 1980s. According to Sutton, al-Mansour raised money for Obama to go to law school.

“I am not surprised to learn about this,” said Niger Innis, spokesman of the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE). “It is clear that Barack Obama’s ties to the left are familial, generational, and have lasted for several years.”

Apparently there's more to Obama's rapport with the Muslim world than he has so far acknowledged in his campaign.

457 J.S.  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:31:17pm

re: #410 marjoriemoon

Who made that statement? Palin? I think not.

458 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:31:21pm

re: #402 debutaunt

I just saw a comedienne describe a Jehovah Witness saying that only 144,000 people get to go to heaven IIRC. The question was why do JW's go door-to-door, if there is a limited number who get the big prize.

Maybe it is run like a giant Pyramid Scheme. The more folks you get in, the better your chances of winning?

459 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:31:33pm

re: #291 Kulhwch

I can buy that, accidents are a percentage of anything.  Still leaves ggt, marjoriemoon, and Metal Man ... at least one of those still surprizes me.

}:)     [Thanks for letting me know ... ]

Many thought the post a parody because it was insanely stereotypical moonbattery.

460 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:31:46pm

re: #439 SummerSong

I believe, that the JW believe that 144,000 is the number who will be like administrators in heaven, not the total going there.

Oh heck, that messes up a perfectly funny joke.

461 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:31:57pm

re: #447 marjoriemoon

Did you really give assefrance an upding or was that a mistake?

462 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:31:59pm

re: #443 A.W.

Hello Dare

> Plus, Hillary knows that Bill is lusting after Sarah.

Mmm, I think she is as likely to scare him as attract him. I have a feeling that in no point in her life would she be willing to put up with being demeaned as Bill has with so many other women.

Like if Bill had been married to a woman like Saracuda, and he was caught getting favors from an intern, there would have been no need for an impeachment trial. She would release him into the wild to give him a sporting chance, and then shoot and eat him.

I have said it for years. Hillary is not a real feminist. And its great to have a prominent example of a real feminist, so Hillary will wither in comparison.

Bill would be so stared down the first 30 seconds of their meeting his eyes would be scar-damaged for the rest of his pitiful life. He would slink away. End of story.

463 joncelli  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:32:49pm

re: #411 DeafDog

Announcer: And now, it's time for another gripping story in the casebook of Barry O'Bama, Private Investigator! Tonight's episode: The Alaskan Dame Caper!

SCENE: A seedy office in Chicago. On a frosted door window we can see the words Barry O'Bama, Private Investigator. A match can be seen through the glass as it lights up and dies.

O'BAMA VOICEOVER: It was a good night in the Windy City. Yeah, rain was falling and my checking account was empty, but I had a case of whiskey and a warm gun, although I wasn't clinging to it or anything.

(Sound of door slamming, then high heels tapping on the rutted wooden floor. There's a rap on the inner door to Barry's office.)

O'BAMA: Yeah, don't knock it down, door's open.

O'BAMA VOICEOVER: She had a hairdoo from the '80s and mukluks to die for. She gave me that naughty librarian look, like she wanted to discuss Sartre, if you know what I mean. I knew she could take care of herself when I saw the Army-issue M4 slung over her shoulder. She had legs that would make a wolf howl and a face that would melt a glacier, and I knew at once that she was trouble.

SARAH: You got a minute for a chat, Barry?

O'BAMA: For you, sugar, I'd cling religion just to have a chat. You want a community organized?

(CONTINUED)

464 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:33:18pm

Who are these reporters soft balling the questions to him?

465 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:33:19pm

re: #441 Silhouette

I've always found this odd given the specific lesson of the Book of Job that bad things happen to good people, and adversity isn't necessarily linked to punishment for some sin.

My Dad is a missionary and preacher. When he was working with small non-denominational churches in Oregon, he became the county chaplin for the Fire and Police, as well as volunteer firefighter.

He was called to a family that suffered a SIDS death of their infant. The family at first decline the firefighters offer to have the chaplin (my Dad) come out. They called their pastor instead. This "pastor" first words to the women still holding her dead child were, "what sin have you committed to cause this." He came very close to getting a beating by the firefighters. This of course pushed the poor women over the edge.

My Dad did come out and spent hours with the family, performed the funeral and years later we still have contact with the family.

466 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:33:33pm

re: #445 vagabond trader

I think that's a bit much.

All that's been said is that marjoriemoon doesn't care for Sarah Palin.

467 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:33:46pm

re: #391 marjoriemoon

That's true. Quite honestly, in the end, I'm not sure the Wright story held any real pull. I mean, if you're a staunch conservative, you're not going to vote for O anyway. It's those middle people that each party needs to court... and the American public has a short memory.
I just find it highly ironic.

the wright story had huge pull, are you nuts? all of the late Dem primaries, and hillary's great numbers, showed that...

468 spypeach  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:33:52pm

Obama giving news conference right now on FOX, he looks so smug. Here's what he saying;
Uh uh uh lies uhh uhh same old thing uh uh uh uh no agenda uh uh uh. Reporters seem to be in love with him.

469 nikis-knight  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:34:03pm

re: #157 Nevergiveup

Probably hit the wrong button.

I hope their ballots are clearer in November, in that case.

470 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:34:06pm

re: #445 vagabond trader
Give it a break. Pet Jews? How insulting.

471 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:34:10pm

re: #444 J.S.

that's also been reported (noted?) at Wikipedia's bio on Palin. the Wiki bio notes that Palin did not support the statements made by that extremist pastor (?)...I don't know...way I figure it -- You really want an Obama as Prez of the U.S? the one who openly supports and hob-nobs with antisemites, radical Muslims, etc? If you want that in the White House, then by all means, don't vote for McCain.

I didn't check out the wiki, but I'll look. Obama said the same thing about Wright and people believed what they wanted to believe. There's a huge double standard where Palin is concerned here (and a few other places).

I only have a choice of two people in this race and I cannot vote for McCain. I surely cannot vote for Palin. I have deeply grave reservations about Obama, but I feel I have to vote and I'm a registered Dem.

472 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:34:34pm

re: #447 marjoriemoon

You and me both! I would like to hear her comment about it, too.

Write and ask the campaign. If enough of us ask about it, they need to answer.

473 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:34:49pm

re: #445 vagabond trader

The Obama emoting on Fox. He cares sooo much. He said Marjoriemoon is one of his favorite pet Jews. Muwahahahahahahaahahahaah!

You are really a disgusting person and that's all I have to say to you.

474 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:35:04pm

re: #451 Dianna

I thought that the "prosperity gospel" had rather faded out, as Oral Roberts faded from the scene, and so many other, similar televangelists received their come-uppance?

It's still around, and popular around Seattle. Several of the mega churches are still in that arena.

475 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:35:24pm

re: #452 debutaunt

You know I am!

476 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:35:57pm

re: #474 jcm

It's still around, and popular around Seattle. Several of the mega churches are still in that arena.

*Shudder*

I think that's very bad theology. Oh, well.

477 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:36:19pm

re: #416 Ben Hur

Wounded Soldier Forced to Sleep in Car After Hotel Denies Him a Room

Soldiers.

The New Jews.

Made the top of the news on our local Welsh TV this morning - yep, that soldier is a Welshman.
Here's a quote from the story:
''She said they had received neither an apology nor an explanation from the hotel, which is part of a family entertainment center called The Big Apple and owned by a company called American Amusements.

"In America, they treat soldiers as heroes,” said Stringer, whose son joined the Army when he was 16 and has done multiple tours of duty in Iraq, Northern Ireland and Afghanistan."

Blydi English ...

478 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:36:37pm

re: #465 jcm

How terrible. The pastor was indeed "Job's comforter" to those parents.

Three friends of Job who visited him in his affliction and offered him a way of making sense of his troubles: namely, that he was getting what he deserved. Job's friends maintained that misfortunes were sent by God as punishments for sin, and thus despite Job's apparent goodness, he must really be a terrible sinner. Job persistently disputed them, saying that God is supreme and mysterious — that God can send misfortunes to both good and wicked people and may not be second-guessed.

479 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:36:48pm

re: #471 marjoriemoon

I didn't check out the wiki, but I'll look. Obama said the same thing about Wright and people believed what they wanted to believe. There's a huge double standard where Palin is concerned here (and a few other places).

I only have a choice of two people in this race and I cannot vote for McCain. I surely cannot vote for Palin. I have deeply grave reservations about Obama, but I feel I have to vote and I'm a registered Dem.

Damn. Just vote for Senator Barack Obama and be done with it and quit whining, sniveling and trying to rationalize it to yourself in this forum. You been at it for awhile now.

480 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:37:03pm

re: #426 jcm

There is a section within the Evangelical communality that believes God physically blesses (what I call the prosperity gospel) those who are faithful with material wealth and success

Any idea how they explain George Soros?

481 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:37:14pm
482 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:37:51pm
483 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:37:58pm

re: #480 Occasional Reader

Any idea how they explain George Soros?

No, because they are silly.

The rain falls on the just and the unjust. Linus Van Pelt said it, and I believe it.

484 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:38:15pm

re: #466 Dianna

Dianna, all due respect she's a troll. You believe what you want, enjoy the dialogue. I am a Jew and will NOT tolerate another so called Jew who is supporting an anti semite, nor do I appreciate being lectured to regarding my blunt honest commentary.As I have said before, if Charles objects, he'll let me know.

485 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:38:21pm
486 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:39:22pm

re: #481 ploome hineni

but you can vote for Obama?

lol

Don't interrupt! I was trying to stay focused on where this leads...

487 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:39:35pm

re: #464 Nevergiveup

Who are these reporters soft balling the questions to him?

They have a faint hope he'll be able to form a coherent reply if he only gets powder-puffs.

488 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:39:38pm

She also landed many punches on Obama without even mentioning his name.

489 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:39:42pm

re: #471 marjoriemoon

Obama said the same thing about Wright and people believed what they wanted to believe

Show me that:

-The Jew for Jesus guy RAN this church;
-Palin kept going to this church for 20 years knowing this and knowing his views;
-She had the J4J guy baptize her kids; and
-She named the J4J guy as a "spiritual advisor", and appointed him to a position in her campaign...

... and then maybe I'll accept the equivalence you're making here.

490 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:39:47pm

re: #423 vagabond trader

Reprehensible. Britain has about 20 years left, tops.

Wrong.
Next General elections will be won by the Tories, hands down.

And please - sorry, I keep repeating emself - do not mistake what is written and spoken in the British MSM for the opinion of the British people.
After all, we don't think all of the USA is going to elect B0 with a vast majority just because the American MSM keep saying so ...

491 ErnieG  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:39:54pm

re: #241 Occasional Reader

Sweet jebus... the US Secret Service isn't good enough for him?!

There are some things the Secret Service won't do.

492 A.W.  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:39:59pm

joncelli

That would be funnier if he called her "sweetie."

493 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:40:33pm

re: #455 Balian1193

Considering the overwhelmingly positive reviews of the speech and 37,244,000 watched it, there is ONLY ONE THING the Democrats can do. IGNORE HER and concentrate on McCain.

That's actually good advice for the Democrats. They need to get away from Palin because she undermines so many of the reformist/groundbreaking memes that Obama was using.

Here's another thought. McCain should send Palin around to CNN and MSNBC to do a spot opposite O'Reilly. Heck, put her up against Olbermann. Matthews. Anyone. We'll see just how insufferable they are and how well Palin holds up. And it would take away from Obama's visit to O'Reilly. You'd get a twofer.

494 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:41:19pm

re: #483 OldLineTexan

Linus Van Pelt said it

I remember that strip. "That's a good system" was, IIRC, the response, although I'm not sure who said it (Charlie, I think).

495 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:41:27pm
496 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:41:28pm

re: #471 marjoriemoon

I think you're making a terrible mistake.

497 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:41:59pm

re: #490 yma o hyd

Hope you're correct.The political correct bug has also infested your country, that is undeniable.

498 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:42:19pm

Obama is stumbling. Anyone listening to Hannity?

499 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:42:20pm

re: #432 Piglet-U93

I can see it now - American women asking their hair stylists "Can you make it like Sarah Palin, here is a picture". Other women shed their contact lenses for librarian glasses cause their husbands think it's sexier.

Actually, I've been guilty of that emself: I've been looking at those glasses, thinking to myself, hm, what about it, why can't I have them as well?

500 nikis-knight  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:42:57pm

re: #279 Occasional Reader

Now, I was hearing angry accusations from left-wing callers on CSPAN this morning that "oh, sure, she killed the Bridge to Nowhere, but then Alaska kept that federal money!". Have you seen anything reliable on this? It sounds absurd to suggest that Alaska just gets to "keep" the money, in general treasury, after killing the associated Federal project. The money may have been REALLOCATED to another project, in agreement with the Feds, but that's a horse of a different color.

Earmarks by senators are often specified portions of money already alloted in spending bills such as transportation projects. So I could believe that she canceled it and used the money on something useful, though that is not as neat as sending it back. I don't know the facts in this case, though.

501 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:43:16pm

re: #491 ErnieG

There are some things the Secret Service won't do.

I just downdinged you, thinking you were implying that the USSS would not faithfully protect a candidate who rubbed them the wrong way.

But I realize that you probably mean, they won't do the dirty tricks that the Obama campaign wanted the other "security consultants" to do.

If so, my heartfelt apologies for the hair-trigger downding.

502 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:44:03pm

re: #471 marjoriemoon

Well, I'm a registered nothing. That's right, I'm one of those "Independents" you keep hearing about. I cannot vote for Obama since he is in deep with the Cook County Democratic Organization, aka The Chicago Machine. Biden, I could care less. McCain, I liked back in 2000, was not too fond of him between 2000 and 2008. Palin, I knew next to nothing about till recently. However, as a clean government type, one who wants to shovel out the Augean Stables of Illinois politics, I am impressed with how Palin took on her own party, The Alaska Machine, if you will.

Therefore, it is Palin who made me feel mich better about voting for McCain. And there is no way on God's green Earth that I could vote for someone so attached to the Chicago Machine as is Obama.

503 tee866  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:44:18pm

-310 now

504 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:44:29pm
505 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:44:42pm
506 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:44:57pm

re: #480 Occasional Reader

Any idea how they explain George Soros?

ROFL!

If anything the Bible says we will suffer for our faith.
Around the world many do.re: #471 marjoriemoon

I didn't check out the wiki, but I'll look. Obama said the same thing about Wright and people believed what they wanted to believe. There's a huge double standard where Palin is concerned here (and a few other places).

I only have a choice of two people in this race and I cannot vote for McCain. I surely cannot vote for Palin. I have deeply grave reservations about Obama, but I feel I have to vote and I'm a registered Dem.

What are you core political beliefs. I mean the bedrock you build everything on.

I can sum up mine in 3 words.

LIFE
LIBERTY
PROPERTY

When I have a decision that seems difficult I ask how it affects those three things.

Obama / Biden supports none of the three.
McCain / Palin support all of the three.

Cut your political philosophy to the bone, the absolute core.
How do the candidates measure to that?

508 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:45:19pm

re: #499 yma o hyd

Actually, I've been guilty of that emself: I've been looking at those glasses, thinking to myself, hm, what about it, why can't I have them as well?

Does anyone know if lenscrafters is publicly traded? I sense a run on the Palin-style of frames...

509 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:45:26pm

re: #394 yma o hyd

They need to be careful when they go behind the lipstick. There lurks a pitbull!

510 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:45:46pm

re: #488 NoSubmission

She also landed many punches on Obama without even mentioning his name.

Like:

...I was mayor of my hometown. And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.

We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San francisco.

I'm not a member of the permanent political establishment.

Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of American's energy problems - as if we all didn't know that already
(my personal favorite)

Just to mention a few.

511 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:45:58pm

re: #506 jcm

opps I double up a couple of responses...

512 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:46:35pm
513 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:46:56pm

re: #463 joncelli

Classic! Bravo!

Tell us more!

514 jorline  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:47:02pm

re: #511 jcm

opps I double up a couple of responses...

I do that too

515 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:47:07pm
516 WinterCat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:47:10pm

re: #507 Killian Bundy

Excellent!

517 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:47:12pm

re: #482 buzzsawmonkey

Let's be honest. It's not the Christians "would like" to convert Jews, they actively DO convert Jews or try to. One of the most fervent of these are the Jews for Jesus.

I have none, zero, ziltch respect for these people. They are not Christians in my eyes. Christians don't hide behind some mask of pretending to be Jews for the specific purpose of luring them. Be who you are for goodness sake.

It's really laughable to me that religious Jews would make excuses for Palin in this regard. You can't even say that her preacher is wrong, that you are offended? Or do you like when people try to convert you?

And that's not even the issue, although I haven't had time to really research, but this statement "that violence against Israeli Jews is God's punishment for their failure to accept Jesus" if it's true, is beyond the pale.

518 jorline  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:47:20pm

re: #511 jcm

opps I double up a couple of responses...

I do that too.

519 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:47:53pm

re: #481 ploome hineni

but you can vote for Obama?

lol

I'm gonna vote for Ron Paul?

520 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:47:58pm

re: #506 jcm

Cut your political philosophy to the bone, the absolute core.

I was thinking today; one (weak) criticism we're hearing from liberals today about Palin's speech is that it "didn't have policy specifics".

Now... what do they mean by policy specifics? They mean a candidate saying, "I will spend $20 billion on social-engineering project X! And $30 billion on Y! And TWO HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS on Z!".

The concept that "we want to reduce the government's footprint in your life" IS a policy, just doesn't register with them.

521 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:48:32pm

re: #519 marjoriemoon

I'm gonna vote for Ron Paul?

Pat Paulson for President

522 irish rose  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:48:39pm

Perennial attention whore Medea Benjamin is one of the disruptive protesters who was dragged out in the middle of Palins' speech last night... it's on the front page over at Fox.

523 TOWM  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:48:44pm

heard from a lefty relative who resides in Portland, Oregon: Palin is now his favorite politician!
bwahahhahahah, Obmamacles!

524 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:49:47pm

re: #515 buzzsawmonkey

Sarah Palin buys her frames, not at Lenscrafters, but at Flensecrafters, which specialize in frames for the whaling and hunting set.

Sarah Palin's glasses are actually made by Aimpoint.

525 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:50:53pm

re: #521 midwestgak

Pat Paulson for President

LOL A write in!

526 infidel Alan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:50:53pm

re: #502 Honorary Yooper

My best friend from college in the 60s is a retired attorney from Chicago. He says if Obama is a successful politician from south Chicago then he's corrupt--it's just a fact of life.

527 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:51:14pm

re: #451 Dianna

I thought that the "prosperity gospel" had rather faded out, as Oral Roberts faded from the scene, and so many other, similar televangelists received their come-uppance?

No. I think some of the mega-churches are into that. It is a recurrent heresy theme that crops up in Protestant sub-circles.

528 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:51:28pm

re: #517 marjoriemoon

Let's be honest. It's not the Christians "would like" to convert Jews, they actively DO convert Jews or try to. One of the most fervent of these are the Jews for Jesus.

I have none, zero, ziltch respect for these people. They are not Christians in my eyes. Christians don't hide behind some mask of pretending to be Jews for the specific purpose of luring them. Be who you are for goodness sake.

It's really laughable to me that religious Jews would make excuses for Palin in this regard. You can't even say that her preacher is wrong, that you are offended? Or do you like when people try to convert you?

And that's not even the issue, although I haven't had time to really research, but this statement "that violence against Israeli Jews is God's punishment for their failure to accept Jesus" if it's true, is beyond the pale.

First, find out if it's true before you hyperventilate.

Second, no Christians can convert you without your consent and active participation. Muslims want to convert you with or without your consent--or kill you.

I find the J4J annoying but they pose no threat to me and mine, or to my way of life.

529 opnion  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:51:31pm

I guess e verything has been said about Sarah Plain, but let me add mine.
Booya! Boom Shakalka, Boom Shakalaka! Yeah baby,yeah!

530 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:51:36pm

re: #519 marjoriemoon

I'm gonna vote for Ron Paul?

Well, if McCain isn't left enough for you, I guess you have Obama and Bob Barr to choose from.

Ron Paul is neither right nor left, fish nor fowk, Gentile nor Jew. Ron Paul is an enigma wrapped in a riddle covered in mystery, i.e. he is flat-out farking bananas with extra monkeys and identifies only with himself and the Gas Cloud Hive Mind of Ceti Alpha VII (NTTAWWT).

531 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:51:51pm

re: #470 snowcrash

It was meant to be! You know what insults me as a Jew and it should likewise every Jew in America? The number of my fellow Jews who will foolishly vote for an anti semite. It is sickening to say the least.

532 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:52:05pm

re: #517 marjoriemoon

And that's not even the issue, although I haven't had time to really research, but this statement "that violence against Israeli Jews is God's punishment for their failure to accept Jesus" if it's true, is beyond the pale.

I agree. But your effectively attributing the statement to Palin herself, under the circumstances, is also beyond the pale.

533 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:52:05pm

re: #316 Occasional Reader

Yes, we heterosexual men REALLY hate her "naughty librarian" look... don't we, boys?

/

Given the chance, I'd like to "chat" with her about that image.

534 KibbyKat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:52:10pm

re: #446 CapeCoddah

Ha! I'm waiting for this one to arrive: [Link: www.cafepress.com...]

Should be a big hit at my local Starbucks.

535 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:52:20pm

re: #497 vagabond trader

Hope you're correct.The political correct bug has also infested your country, that is undeniable.

Absolutley - and nobody denies it here. But we now know who implemented it, who is still trying to do it, and its all NuLab.
Right now, even some MSM are poking fun at some minor NuLab ministers when they come up with bright new ideas - something which would not have happened even two years ago.
And we, the people, have been onto this for much longer.
We don't have a Sarah Palin or a Maggie MkII, alas), but the young lot at the top of the Tory Party, while sounding soft and gentle, do actually have what it takes. Boris Johnson winning Mayor of London was only the first step ...

536 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:52:32pm

re: #521 midwestgak

Pat Paulson for President

Damned straight. If dead people can vote, they should be able to hold office. It might be an improvement; your average corpse would have been in the Senate on more business days than Obama while accomplishing at least the same.

537 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:52:52pm

In a more diverse America, a mostly white RNC

Because we live in an Apartheid state where the 14% minority white population rules with an iron fist over the 86% black population.

538 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:52:55pm

re: #517 marjoriemoon

It was a guest speaker, not her minister...

Let's stick with facts, all right?

Yes, it's an awful statement. But 1) she didn't make it; 2) I have no idea, from what I've read, if she was actually present (she attends three different churches); 3) if she approved the statement.

Points 1 and 3 are the important ones.

Now, leaving aside this statement, what else about Palin don't you like, and why can't you vote for McCain?

539 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:53:01pm

re: #471 marjoriemoon

I didn't check out the wiki, but I'll look. Obama said the same thing about Wright and people believed what they wanted to believe. There's a huge double standard where Palin is concerned here (and a few other places).

I only have a choice of two people in this race and I cannot vote for McCain. I surely cannot vote for Palin. I have deeply grave reservations about Obama, but I feel I have to vote and I'm a registered Dem.

Probably no one can attend a church anywhere when, at some time, something offensive and over-the-edge is said by a guest.

That's a far cry from attending a church where bigotry and antisemetism were preached for over 20 years and, in that context, having the bigot/antisemite baptize your kids and marry you. That's the choice Obama made...he could have left at any time if he disagreed as vehemently as most of us do with what was preached there.

Knock of the moral equivalence. The two things aren't remotely similar.

540 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:53:43pm

I just delivered a smack down on an anthropologist over at The Glen's Live Journal page:

Ms. Fell, your sneer is a clear indication that you may be part of the problem. Positive confirmation of this would of course require further observation and research for which I neither the time, patience, nor a research grant to perform. That would be a task that is ideally suited to an actual intellectual. As you may have noticed I did not condemn all intellectuals in my rant, I only condemned the false ones.

Intellectuals actually can be useful when they are honest or when they are actually paying attention to objective reality. The problem arises someone assumes the position of authority in order to scam their way to survival and well being, or to further an adverse ideological agenda. But since there is only one reality, which is commonly perceived by all individuals, the fraud is ultimately discovered. But all too often the disclosure occurs after innocent lives are lost.

One of the obvious indications that one is a false intellectual is their apparent blindness to the distinction between the states of civilization and barbarism. The State of civilization is not only the collection of structures that people live and work in, and the tools that they use, it is also the moral condition that they live in. The foundation of the social order has a clear impact on the survival and well being of the the people who live in it.

In the state of civilization consent is the preferred basis of social, economic, and political relationships, and force is reserved as a response to the violent predatory behavior from such persons as common criminals and Communists. The barbaric social paradigm is dominated by those persons who, by tribal membership or by adherence to an ideology*, assume the role of a superior being that forcibly uses other people as a means to assure their own survival and well being.

Obviously not all civilizations are perfect, which is clearly demonstrates by the Self Appointed Superior Beings who forcibly imposed the Prohibition of alcohol on the United States in the earth Twentieth Century.

To be able to see the distinction between civilization and barbarism and act on it does have an impact on the survival and well being of a person, as in the individual case of Ayn Rand, and it thus is a moral necessity.

Anyone who cannot see, refuses to see, or who actively obliterates, the distinction between civilization and barbarism in their work is either not doing their job properly or is part of the problem, and in either case has absolutely zero claim to being an intellectual. Though that doesn't stop them from trying.

But I'm just an unemployed pizza delivery driver, what do I know?


* Or both in the case of the German National Socialist.

541 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:53:43pm

re: #517 marjoriemoon

Let's be honest. It's not the Christians "would like" to convert Jews, they actively DO convert Jews or try to. One of the most fervent of these are the Jews for Jesus.

I have none, zero, ziltch respect for these people. They are not Christians in my eyes. Christians don't hide behind some mask of pretending to be Jews for the specific purpose of luring them. Be who you are for goodness sake.

It's really laughable to me that religious Jews would make excuses for Palin in this regard. You can't even say that her preacher is wrong, that you are offended? Or do you like when people try to convert you?

And that's not even the issue, although I haven't had time to really research, but this statement "that violence against Israeli Jews is God's punishment for their failure to accept Jesus" if it's true, is beyond the pale.

Have you ever flown on El Al?

542 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:53:44pm

re: #522 irish rose

Perennial attention whore Medea Benjamin is one of the disruptive protesters who was dragged out in the middle of Palins' speech last night... it's on the front page over at Fox.

And here I always thought it was "Lookie what the cat dragged in", not "Lookie what the police dragged out."

/

543 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:54:03pm

re: #533 jwb7605

Given the chance, I'd like to "chat" with her about that image.

You can chat all you want, I'd prefer to be reprimanded for my overdue copy of The Half-Blood Prince...in private...

544 runrabbitrun  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:54:55pm

re: #499 yma o hyd

Actually, I've been guilty of that emself: I've been looking at those glasses, thinking to myself, hm, what about it, why can't I have them as well?

I love my John Sebastian specs (see fashionista America! I am retro chic!) - but I may have to limit my Palin style by quitting at the moose stew part.

Though we both are NRA members, we love moose, moose photo shooting expeditions, & moose collectibles in all their kitschy incarnations. Moose are all over the house as lampshades, pillowcases, dishtowels, sheet patterns, stuffed toys, and figurines. I thought I saw a little agitated group of them gathering around the spare TV last night to watch Palin's speech, and I swear that they were all wearing Obama buttons.

Maybe I'd better switch to Sleepytime Tea as a nightcap instead of a hot toddy.

545 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:55:22pm
"The landscape is littered with the bodies of those who crossed Sarah"

/Alaskan proverb

546 J.S.  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:55:48pm

re: #517 marjoriemoon

I wrote a response about the Wiki bio for Palin moments ago ...but, my computer suddenly shut down (gremlins...)... and my original post was lost. I'll try this again. The Wiki article (which i read a couple days ago) stated that an itinerant preacher of that "Jews for jesus" idiocy visited Palin's church and made those offensive remarks. When Palin was asked about these comments, Palin said she did not agree with them -- distanced herself from those remarks. Also, according to the Wiki article -- that Jews for Jesus "pastor" isn't (iirc) her pastor...Palin has some other pastor. so, this is not (imo) at all similar to someone sitting in a church for 20 odd years listening to extremists cursing America, etc. or having such a "pastor" as one's mentor, etc. Also, the Wiki bio page has been locked down (and edited) and the whole segment about Palin's response to the "Jews for Jesus" fiasco has been deleted.

547 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:55:57pm

re: #511 jcm

opps I double up a couple of responses...

I can't go there with you. I'm sorry. I don't have time for a 3 hour marathon post or the raising of my blood pressure when folks here start calling me a cockroach. Maybe another time.

I'm a Joe Leiberman Dem (or was...I don't know where the hell he stands now), maybe a hawkish Dem, I guess you can say. I go with Dems on domestic policy and with the Repubs on foreign policy. I hope that answers your question.

548 KibbyKat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:55:57pm

re: #530 OldLineTexan

My political dream is to see Paul and Kucinich in a fight-to-the-death crazy-off. Two loons enter, one loon leaves.

549 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:55:59pm
550 WinterCat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:56:06pm

re: #537 Ben Hur

Because if a black person steps out of line from the democratic machine he or she is called a Tom or an Oreo. Disgusting.

551 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:56:24pm

I watched Sarah's speech again last night as the video was available from the RNC's site- she was brilliant and delivered the speech flawlessly. When she talked about foreign interests I thought, "uh-oh, biden".

But the one thing that came to mind was- the left and the msm have picked a fight with the wrong lady. Sarah Barracuda indeed.

552 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:56:46pm

re: #536 OldLineTexan

Damned straight. If dead people can vote, they should be able to hold office. It might be an improvement; your average corpse would have been in the Senate on more business days than Obama while accomplishing at least the samemore.

That's a bit more accurate.
:)

553 nikis-knight  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:56:52pm

re: #471 marjoriemoon

There's a huge double standard where Palin is concerned here (and a few other places).

Nonsense.
One case of hearsay =/= 20 years of well documented hate

554 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:56:57pm

re: #537 Ben Hur

In a more diverse America, a mostly white RNC
.

They pull that canard out every election. Because the GOP doesn't sit around screening the race of delegates to make sure they have the right "look" for TV, the GOP are implied to be racist.

555 WinterCat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:57:01pm

re: #542 OldLineTexan


Why even mention that she was there? Why give them any free press?

556 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:57:07pm

re: #530 OldLineTexan

Well, if McCain isn't left enough for you, I guess you have Obama and Bob Barr to choose from.

Ron Paul is neither right nor left, fish nor fowk, Gentile nor Jew. Ron Paul is an enigma wrapped in a riddle covered in mystery, i.e. he is flat-out farking bananas with extra monkeys and identifies only with himself and the Gas Cloud Hive Mind of Ceti Alpha VII (NTTAWWT).

Over at Kos, there's a Paultard who has become an 0bamaniac.

557 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:57:18pm

re: #509 unreconstructed rebel

Heh.
Pitbulls are terriers - and it is always veerrry unwise to get between a terrier and what the terrier wants to do ...

558 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:57:39pm

re: #534 KibbyKat
Now that is funny!

559 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:57:47pm

re: #528 Alouette

Second, no Christians can convert you without your consent and active participation.

Ha! That's what you think. "Send in the nuns!"

560 cblesz  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:57:54pm

re: #498 NoSubmission

Obama is stumbling. Anyone listening to Hannity?

No. What is going on?

561 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:58:10pm

re: #549 buzzsawmonkey

No. J4J do not bother me; I know who I am. And I also know that the way to prevent them from leading others astray is to get them to move towards Judaism, not merely react negatively to would-be converters.

Again: Palin's church hosting a one-shot speaker does not make her antisemitic, it does not make her a J4J sympathizer--any more than she would be a Communist if her church had, for some reason, hosted an evening with the head of the Communist Party.

Christians believe what they believe; among other things, they believe Jesus is the Messiah. I'm a practicing Jew; I do not believe it. I'm not about to tell a Christian that s/he is wrong; what they believe is their business. Had I been in Donny Deutsch's shoes when Ann Coulter hit him with that line about Christians being "completed Jews," I would not have gotten all huffy and puffy--though I might have considered zinging her back by saying that Christianity is really "Judaism Lite," since it jettisons the structure of mitzvot. Coulter believes what she believes; I believe what I believe. There's no reason for me to hate her or be offended as long as she does not mandate, or try to mandate, that I conform to her beliefs against my own will.

Palin is not responsible for what a guest speaker may have said in her place of worship, and it is silly to hold her responsible for it.

Dinged you up even though J4J do "bother" me.

562 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:58:39pm

re: #532 Occasional Reader

I agree. But your effectively attributing the statement to Palin herself, under the circumstances, is also beyond the pale.

Not to be a shit distruber... but for months, EVERY statement made against the Jews and America was made by Wright, not Obama. Did it make any difference to him what he was listening to? Did it for her?

Oh the irony.

563 joncelli  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:58:44pm

re: #557 yma o hyd

We've got two terriers (check my avatar) and I can say with some authority that you speak truly.

564 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:59:03pm

re: #548 KibbyKat

My political dream is to see Paul and Kucinich in a fight-to-the-death crazy-off. Two loons enter, one loon leaves.

All you will ever get will be the two of them as half of the most God-awful barbershop quarter ever.

565 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:59:09pm

Did you see Obama a bit ago on Fox?

/it was like um, er, ah, um, did anyone get the license plate number of that truck?

566 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:59:21pm

re: #523 TOWM

heard from a lefty relative who resides in Portland, Oregon: Palin is now his favorite politician!
bwahahhahahah, Obmamacles!

Havana on the Wilamette?

567 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:59:47pm

re: #533 jwb7605

Given the chance, I'd like to "chat" with her about that image.

Todd is still her man, move on "other" dude. Soon there will be many Sarah lookalikes to choose from, no worries.

568 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:59:49pm
569 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 12:59:49pm

BReaking:

Every relgion wants other people to convert to their religion.

570 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:00:15pm

re: #555 WinterCat

Why even mention that she was there? Why give them any free press?

Even C-Span cameras swiveled to the action. It is human nature, and I do not believe it would look very good for the Repubs to make demands on where the cameras were pointed unless they OWNED the cameras in question.

571 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:00:41pm

Disgusting

Warning: kos link.

If you have a friend who is on the fence, especially a woman, then you might want to show her/him just exactly what those supporters of Obama think of conservative women in power.

Beyond the pale.

572 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:00:42pm

re: #560 cblesz

No. What is going on?


I guess Obama gave a press conference today. Did anyone even know?

Anyways, he's clearly pissed and the stuttering and stammering is priceless.

573 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:01:12pm

re: #546 J.S.

Was it deleted because it's not true, or is inadequately sourced, or what? Is there any way to tell?

574 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:01:13pm

re: #471 marjoriemoon

I didn't check out the wiki, but I'll look. Obama said the same thing about Wright and people believed what they wanted to believe. There's a huge double standard where Palin is concerned here (and a few other places).

I only have a choice of two people in this race and I cannot vote for McCain. I surely cannot vote for Palin. I have deeply grave reservations about Obama, but I feel I have to vote and I'm a registered Dem.

You lost me. I get the vibes that most of the people here either (a) love her, or (b) really love her.
I fall into category (b) above.

If you're referring to a lot of us thinking "she's totally hot", well, a lot of us here think "she's totally hot". My wife of 35 years is well aware of that, and would (I hope) worry about me if that were not the case.

Would you please elaborate on 'the double standard'?

575 KibbyKat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:01:55pm

re: #564 OldLineTexan

I know, but a girl can dream.

Yay for fellow Texans, btw! I'm in DFW.

576 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:02:08pm

re: #562 marjoriemoon

but for months, EVERY statement made against the Jews and America was made by Wright, not Obama

Um, you seein' the distinction here, marjorie?

577 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:02:56pm

re: #549 buzzsawmonkey

J4J bother me greatly. I had two here where I work and I had to eventually report them to my supervisor for harassing me. I do not consider them Christians and I don't consider them Jews either. I loathe them.

I have many Christians friends whom I adore and respect and that feeling is mutual towards me.

But you are right. He/she was a guest speaker, not the regular preacher. There's a difference for sure. But certainly, I'd like to see where it goes, if anywhere.

578 looking closely  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:03:00pm

re: #520 Occasional Reader

I was thinking today; one (weak) criticism we're hearing from liberals today about Palin's speech is that it "didn't have policy specifics".


This is another grasp at straws.

Neither does "Hope and Change" have policy specifics. (Or as Rudy said, "Change isn't a destination, and hope isn't a strategy").

Palin is running for VP, its not her job to set policy!

579 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:03:02pm

Wow- I just went and checked on the annefrance nazi and see s/he got -314. That's a new record. That's some serious ding down.

580 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:03:07pm

re: #548 KibbyKat

My political dream is to see Paul and Kucinich in a fight-to-the-death crazy-off. Two loons enter, one loon leaves.

How could you tell who won?

581 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:03:27pm
582 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:03:37pm

re: #547 marjoriemoon

I'm a Joe Leiberman Dem (or was...I don't know where the hell he stands now), maybe a hawkish Dem, I guess you can say. I go with Dems on domestic policy and with the Repubs on foreign policy. I hope that answers your question.

Well, no. Because the current candidates don't have a hawkish bone in their bodies. I don't see how - even if you think they're on the mark with their domestic proposals - you can support a ticket that advocates abject surrender.

583 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:03:41pm

re: #547 marjoriemoon

I can't go there with you. I'm sorry. I don't have time for a 3 hour marathon post or the raising of my blood pressure when folks here start calling me a cockroach. Maybe another time.

I'm a Joe Leiberman Dem (or was...I don't know where the hell he stands now), maybe a hawkish Dem, I guess you can say. I go with Dems on domestic policy and with the Repubs on foreign policy. I hope that answers your question.

That's fine. I'm not one to beat someone up (trolls excepted).

Think about this. (D)s will still have congress, more influential domestically. McCain / Palin in the WH will have the more influential foreign policy spot.

Just something to think about.

584 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:03:56pm

re: #517 marjoriemoon

At this point, you are just searching for any justification you can to vote for Obama. Why are you trying to justify your vote by jumping on every little smear posted against Governor Palin?

If you really don't like Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin, there are plenty of other candidates for President you might admire. Maybe you should research their views and positions.

585 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:04:08pm
586 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:04:25pm

re: #544 runrabbitrun

Awww - that sounds sooo lovely!
(Sleepytea is nice ...)

587 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:04:26pm

re: #572 NoSubmission

I guess Obama gave a press conference today. Did anyone even know?

Anyways, he's clearly pissed and the stuttering and stammering is priceless.

Fox News babe said that there were approximately 25 people (besides reporters) in attendance...Ha!

588 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:04:26pm

re: #517 marjoriemoon

Let's be honest. It's not the Christians "would like" to convert Jews, they actively DO convert Jews or try to. One of the most fervent of these are the Jews for Jesus.

I have none, zero, ziltch respect for these people. They are not Christians in my eyes. Christians don't hide behind some mask of pretending to be Jews for the specific purpose of luring them. Be who you are for goodness sake.

It's really laughable to me that religious Jews would make excuses for Palin in this regard. You can't even say that her preacher is wrong, that you are offended? Or do you like when people try to convert you?

And that's not even the issue, although I haven't had time to really research, but this statement "that violence against Israeli Jews is God's punishment for their failure to accept Jesus" if it's true, is beyond the pale.

Excellent. I'm a Christian. I can't recall converting anyone, much less a Jew against their will. Then again, I've never converted anyone period. Although I did talk a lot of young men and women into enlisting in the Army or Marines.

Way to nail all us Christians with the same large paintbrush of forced conversions.

589 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:04:39pm

re: #553 nikis-knight

Nonsense.
One case of hearsay =/= 20 years of well documented hate

IT'S THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE CHARGE!
/L3

590 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:04:41pm

Voting for Obama because you think Palin may have anti-semitic connections is like hating the heat in Florida so you move to the sun.

591 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:04:41pm

re: #539 eschew_obfuscation

Well said, e.o.

592 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:04:51pm

re: #571 Typicalwhitey

I hope that in November the people who go for that sort of image and snarkiness are thrown far into the political wilderness, and my country will again seem like a civil place to me.

593 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:05:20pm

re: #587 eschew_obfuscation

Fox News babe said that there were approximately 25 people (besides reporters) in attendance...Ha!

Wow.

Will the next Obama presser be held at an abandoned Fotomat?

594 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:05:22pm

Wiki is a self serve "info" source. Anyone can write or edit anything. Not a credible source. Research confirm confirm

595 KibbyKat  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:05:29pm

re: #580 jwb7605

I like to think the American people would be the real winners.

596 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:05:33pm

re: #576 Occasional Reader

Um, you seein' the distinction here, marjorie?

Heh.

597 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:06:02pm

re: #574 jwb7605

You lost me. I get the vibes that most of the people here either (a) love her, or (b) really love her.
I fall into category (b) above.

If you're referring to a lot of us thinking "she's totally hot", well, a lot of us here think "she's totally hot". My wife of 35 years is well aware of that, and would (I hope) worry about me if that were not the case.

Would you please elaborate on 'the double standard'?

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

598 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:06:10pm

re: #585 ploome hineni

Obama saying "that pin" still rankles me. A lot.

I guess I'm bitter.

599 WrathofG-d  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:06:36pm

What I imagine bothers the left so much with Palin is that if McCain/Palin win it will be another major chip in their insistance that only they can represent African-Americans, and other "minorities".

Not only will it be the Republicans that Freed The Slaves, but it will us be the Republicans that 1st put a female into the office of Vice President of The United States.

They must know that eventually the "minorities" will realize that all the Democrat party can deliever to them are empty promises.

Now, that is change I can believe in.

600 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:06:45pm

re: #581 ploome hineni

I don;t think Ron Paul is on the ticket, dear

His rally was right before the Republicans. I caught it before the convention started. I assumed he was on the ticket still.

601 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:06:52pm
602 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:07:10pm

re: #537 Ben Hur

The Democrat ticket is spiteful to 50% of the public (women). /funny but I didn't see the MSM gush about that - except to lament that Hillary was never even vetted for the VP.

Women and minorities hardest hit. Of course.

603 looking closely  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:07:31pm

Your text to link...re: #519 marjoriemoon

I'm gonna vote for Ron Paul?

Jews for Ron Paul or Obama might as well be Jews for Jesus.

Have you considered what Obama's Reverend Wright thinks about the Jews?

604 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:07:40pm

re: #588 Outrider

Excellent. I'm a Christian. I can't recall converting anyone, much less a Jew against their will. Then again, I've never converted anyone period. Although I did talk a lot of young men and women into enlisting in the Army or Marines.

Way to nail all us Christians with the same large paintbrush of forced conversions.

Type louder, please, I can't hear you over the screams coming from my conversion chamber.

/

605 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:07:51pm

Please ignore post #574.
I got in the middle of the thread, got a phone call, got back, totally misunderstood the original subject, and let my stupid do the writing.

"They" kept me up until 2 A.M. last night.

606 the lizard  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:07:53pm

re: #458 Outrider

that's exactly how it works. they don't come to your door to save you but themselves.

607 imtoast  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:08:06pm

Someone please give my husband a job. He keeps turning the news to MSNBC. Right now Howard Dean is on...ick! I need to have the tv during the day all to myself.

608 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:08:07pm

What we don’t need is some kind of early warning mechanism there, what we need is a willingness to put something on the line in helping the situation. Putting something on the line might mean alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import; it may more crucially mean sacrificing—or investing, I think, more than sacrificing—billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel’s military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine, in investing the billions of dollars it would probably take, also, to support what will have to be a mammoth protection force, not of the old Rwanda kind, but a meaningful military presence. Because it seems to me at this stage (and this is true of actual genocides as well, and not just major human rights abuses, which were seen there), you have to go in as if you’re serious, you have to put something on the line.
Unfortunately, imposition of a solution on unwilling parties is dreadful. It’s a terrible thing to do, it’s fundamentally undemocratic. But, sadly, we don’t just have a democracy here either, we have a liberal democracy. There are certain sets of principles that guide our policy, or that are meant to, anyway. It’s essential that some set of principles becomes the benchmark, rather than a deference to [leaders] who are fundamentally politically destined to destroy the lives of their own people. And by that I mean what Tom Friedman has called “Sharafat” [Sharon-Arafat]. I do think in that sense, both political leaders have been dreadfully irresponsible. And, unfortunately, it does require external intervention... Any intervention is going to come under fierce criticism. But we have to think about lesser evils, especially when the human stakes are becoming ever more pronounced.

SAMANTHA POWERS

WILL BE IN THE CABINET.

WANTS TO MILITARILY IMPOSE SETTLEMENT ON ISRAEL.

Fear Jews for Jesus all you want. They don't have an army.

609 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:08:08pm

re: #588 Outrider

Excellent. I'm a Christian. I can't recall converting anyone, much less a Jew against their will. Then again, I've never converted anyone period. Although I did talk a lot of young men and women into enlisting in the Army or Marines.

Way to nail all us Christians with the same large paintbrush of forced conversions.

I'm sorry if you misunderstood me, but it was the J4J I was nailing, not you. (eek what an image...)

610 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:08:20pm

Moonie- Honey- think for a second. Who is best capable of handling the WoT?

obama wants to talk to Iran. McCain will scare the shit out of Iran.
obama wants to raise your taxes. McCain will keep them low.
obama wants to keep the energy status quo. McCain's going to drill, Baby, drill.

I'll come back to the WoT. Who would you rather have stand by Israel? A flip flopper who called the issue a constant sore? Or a true grit hero?

611 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:08:24pm

If McCain speech writers are smart, his first line tonight will be . . .

/hello my friends, here's Sarah Palin . . .

612 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:08:26pm

re: #562 marjoriemoon

First, Obama listened to that for 20 years and didn't denounce it.

Second, I have huge issues with - as Giuliani reminded us last night - Obama saying that Jerusalem should be the undivided capital of Israel and then flipping in one day. To say nothing of his speech calling Israel a "running sore."

I'm not Jewish. But I support Israel, and I don't like what I'm hearing from Obama.

613 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:08:42pm
614 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:08:51pm

re: #588 Outrider

Excellent. I'm a Christian. I can't recall converting anyone, much less a Jew against their will. Then again, I've never converted anyone period. Although I did talk a lot of young men and women into enlisting in the Army or Marines.

Way to nail all us Christians with the same large paintbrush of forced conversions.

A person changed against his will is of the same opinion still.

--old saying

615 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:09:00pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that these statements are true and complete; please explain how they constitute a "double standard".

Thank you in advance.

616 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:09:06pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

Do you have cites to that?

617 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:09:30pm

re: #598 Ojoe

The obvious disdain of small towns is also a biggie with me.

618 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:09:48pm

re: #607 imtoast

Howard Dean is in large part responsible for the bother that the Democrats are putting the nation through at the moment IMHO.

619 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:10:21pm

I'm sorry... I have to go... I'll try to return later for the rest of my beating.

620 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:10:22pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

You mean she cut government funding for programs that an extended, nuclear family could provide thereby saving taxpayer money to grow the economy and shape the landscape to select for stable, nuclear families?

621 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:10:28pm

re: #562 marjoriemoon

Ahem - is there not a little tiny difference between listening to one gustspeaker (if she actually was there) once, and attending a chirch where th pastor preaches what we've all learned by now, for twenty years?

What is ironic here?
Or are you implying that Sarah Palin's mind is so feeble that one speaker can effortlessly pollute it, whereas B0's is so strong that he can sit and lsiten for 20 years without these sermons having the slightest effect on him? Which of course begs the question, why did he endure this for 20 years without a peep?

622 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:10:39pm

re: #559 Occasional Reader

Ha! That's what you think. "Send in the nuns!"

That is vile anti-Catholic bigotry.
You cite it with approval.
You are a regular lizard.
Lizards love Sarah Palin.
SARAH PALIN IS AN ANTI-CATHOLIC BIGOT!
///

623 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:10:39pm
624 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:10:51pm

re: #617 vagabond trader

I can hardly wait to vote & meanwhile it takes me some effort to keep my comments civil.

625 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:11:16pm

re: #616 lawhawk

Do you have cites to that?

Why sure... [Link: www.obamatalkingpoints.com!...]

626 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:11:23pm
627 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:11:44pm

re: #616 lawhawk

Do you have cites to that?

Yea I do at home, but I have to go... it's easy, type "palin veto" in google or wherever and the bill names come up. or "palin 62%" or "palin special education".

628 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:11:53pm

re: #563 joncelli

Nice dogs!
Must be a handful ...

629 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:11:56pm

re: #598 Ojoe

Obama saying "that pin" still rankles me. A lot.

I guess I'm bitter.

If you want into the club, you also have to cling to your religion and guns.
Please fill out the following form and submit it to the Obama campaign as soon as possible to be eligible for your free windfall profits tax check from Exxon.
1) Religion you cling to:
2) Type of guns you cling to:

David Plouffe
BarackObama.com
/

630 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:11:56pm

re: #625 Occasional Reader

Why sure... [Link: www.obamatalkingpoints.com!...]

(caution: not an actual hyperlink)

631 irish rose  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:12:05pm

The left off is really pissed at Evangelical conservatives right now.
For months they've been refusing to give McCain their support, something that has amused the liberal left to no end.

And now they see those same Evangelicals enthusiastically climbing on board with McCain/Palin.

So what better way to throw the "fundies" off track again and send 'em into a tailspin, than to create a controversy about the "Christian" Palin that has her villifying Jews?

Antisemitism is a hornets nest that the liberal left is more than willing to poke at if - and when - it suits their purposes, marj, and now is one of those times. It's one of those things that they really don't have to work very hard at, since far too many religious folks on both sides of the aisle tend to take insult at even the slightest provacation.

Know that this is nothing but a manipulative attempt to create a distraction in the Republican party, marjorie. Believe me, the enemy knows you and knows exactly how to get under your skin.

Stay the course, hold your temper, and don't let your religious sensitivities trick you into buying into their bullshit.

632 runrabbitrun  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:12:15pm

re: #572 NoSubmission

I guess Obama gave a press conference today. Did anyone even know?

Anyways, he's clearly pissed and the stuttering and stammering is priceless.

I heard during the primaries that Obama actually has little stamina and mental grit, and have been waiting for a meltdown to begin as the grueling countdown goes on. If it happens I'd put money that Barry's symptoms will feature nasty tempered cracks and a version of Joe Biden syndrome as he loses composure.

Not that we'll read about it in the MSM. I choked when I read the Washington correspondent of the normally right-leaning NYPost saying all this week - and even last night - that there was zero joy and excitement in this dud of an RNC convention. Is he blind, deaf, or delusional? These people are in total denial.

633 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:12:24pm

re: #574 jwb7605

Marjoriemoon is under the impression that one guest speaker at Sarah Palin's church, a Jew for Jesus who made a reprehensible remark, is precisely equivalent to Obama sitting in Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.

634 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:12:25pm

re: #615 Occasional Reader

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that these statements are true and complete; please explain how they constitute a "double standard".

Thank you in advance.

Easy. No one has criticized Obama for not doing the exact same things.

/

635 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:12:44pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

Source?

636 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:12:59pm

re: #629 eschew_obfuscation

1. Roman Catholic
2. Remington

637 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:13:29pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

I can't speak to the specifics of AK, but I can talk about WA which is (D) controlled. My wife and I do foster care, so we have intimate contact with Social and Health services. In the past few years DSHS (Dept. Soc. and Health Services) the budget has increased 12% each year.

Each year service to the children and parents of the children HAVE BEEN CUT. Layers of middle management have been added to "study" the problem. I have contacted lots of officals, and nada. A direct response from the Gov. (D) office basically said that management of DSHS didn't come under her purview (wrong) and any problems at DSHS was the legislatures fault.

I can tell you without a doubt it is possible in WA to cut the DSHS budget significantly and INCREASE services to the children.

638 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:13:33pm

re: #627 marjoriemoon

Yea I do at home, but I have to go... it's easy, type "palin veto" in google or wherever and the bill names come up. or "palin 62%" or "palin special education".

I did that, and a bunch of moonbat links came up.

639 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:13:40pm

re: #620 Sol Roth

You mean she cut government funding for programs that an extended, nuclear family could provide thereby saving taxpayer money to grow the economy and shape the landscape to select for stable, nuclear families?

That's "new-clear plants", new-clear. Gotta love her. Pronounces it like George W.

640 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:13:48pm

re: #629 eschew_obfuscation

I will use my check to by an 1873 Winchester

641 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:13:52pm

re: #588 Outrider

Excellent. I'm a Christian. I can't recall converting anyone, much less a Jew against their will. Then again, I've never converted anyone period. Although I did talk a lot of young men and women into enlisting in the Army or Marines.

Way to nail all us Christians with the same large paintbrush of forced conversions.

The Christians I know and have known haven't tried to convert me. I know one who helped another Christian become more observant; perhaps now "born again", but that's different.

And the only so-called-"Jews" for Jesus I've met were at a subway station handing out literature, which I took by mistake and threw out as soon as I realized what it was. If I saw them again, I'd take it again just to throw it out again.

642 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:13:57pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

Maybe.
Depends on what your definition of "benefits" is.
Some people think funding == benefit.
"Special Education" is a bit vague.

She seems like one of those dreaded "results-oriented" types.

I have a small amount of personal experience with at least one issue above. Funding was not the answer. I literally took the approach that of the statements issued by the Palin family.

Worked out fine, all happy, all productive, no regrets from any party involved.

643 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:14:20pm

re: #241 Occasional Reader

Sweet jebus... the US Secret Service isn't good enough for him?!


hey..hiring the black muslims ain't cheap..
/

644 J.S.  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:14:27pm

re: #562 marjoriemoon

ok, look there is an unjust, deeply unfair, judgement going on if you say: "Individual X is associating with this scum bag" and you cast a negative opinion on this person simply because of an association. Ok? It all depends on how much (the degree) of an association...The association could be fleeting (as in, "they met at lunch")...or it could be "an association" over a span of 20 years. Now the degree (the extent, etc) of the association is of interest in judging a person's character. And I say that the associations Obama has with KNOWN antisemites and haters of the State of Israel far, far outweigh S. Paulin's encounter with a Jews for Jesus pastor (which I'm assuming was of a fleeting nature...again, I am basing this on a Wiki article...not entirely reliable, let us recall.) But right now, I say it's unfair to cast negative judgements against Palin based on some fleeting association...while the condemnation of Obama's associations (and this extends far beyond simply his church's pastor for 20 years) are much lengthier, far more extensive, and far more troubling...(by the way, there's a new one out about how Obama got into Harvard Law school -- it was through the "good work" of a Saudi millionaire and a Muslim supporter of the Black Panthers...that's who Obama will be beholden to...)

645 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:14:34pm
646 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:14:46pm

re: #571 Typicalwhitey

Disgusting

Warning: kos link.

If you have a friend who is on the fence, especially a woman, then you might want to show her/him just exactly what those supporters of Obama think of conservative women in power.

Beyond the pale.

Severely mentally challengedin their humanity!

647 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:14:49pm

re: #633 Dianna

Marjoriemoon is under the impression that one guest speaker at Sarah Palin's church, a Jew for Jesus who made a reprehensible remark, is precisely equivalent to Obama sitting in Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.

NOT ONLY THAT:

Palin is on record as having shot a moose.

The natural predator for the moose is the grizzly bear.

Grizzly bears have doubtless attacked some Jews some time in the past.

Therefore, Sarah Palin is implicitly siding with the grizzly bears against the Jews!

PALIN = ANTISEMITE! ! ! !

648 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:14:50pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

How effective were the programs that she cut?

649 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:15:01pm

re: #638 Alouette

I did that, and a bunch of moonbat links came up.

Surprise, surprise, surprise...

650 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:15:05pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

Benefits and handouts from the government - not a double standard if you believe that government taxes too much ... How much does she give in tithing to her Church? Not against helping "the children" but government programs are not the way to go - they lead to nepotism and cronyism and both the taxpayer and the children get stiffed in the end.

651 opnion  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:15:08pm

re: #593 Occasional Reader

Wow.

Will the next Obama presser be held at an abandoned Fotomat?


Well,O'Reilley is helping Obama tonight.
On the same night that the Republican cadidate accepts the nomination, he interviews Obama, who has ducked him until now.
Last night O'Reiley said that it may be that he is being used , but you know , he just couldn't pass it up.
I hope that he at least asks tough questions.

652 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:15:12pm

re: #624 Ojoe

Heh, I'm way beyond that. My bs meter is acute and I can hardly sit still when trolls are engaged here. Better get going before I'm drawn and quartered for not buying into it.

We still have those wonderful noisy voting machines in our bitter little town.The sound of freedom.

653 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:15:50pm

re: #639 midwestgak

That's "new-clear plants", new-clear. Gotta love her. Pronounces it like George W.

I thought he was a nuke-ya-lure kind of guy.

654 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:16:09pm

re: #641 Kosh's Shadow

The Christians I know and have known haven't tried to convert me.


I've had a lot of conversion attempts. Some of them have been very very awkward. It's sometimes difficult to be polite in those situations.

655 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:16:27pm

It really looks like Palin short-circuits every element in the 0bambi campaign. Never seen anything like it.

As much as I really enjoyed the speech last night, I received an email from someone I respect, whose politics I don't even know, and their complaint, translated down, was that Palin didn't really say what it is she was *for*. I mean, she's for goodness and against badness ... just like 0bambi. But details, people, details!

The is the marketing problem with laissez faire, it can too easily be mistaken for inaction or uncaring. McCain/Palin will work much better, if they come out with some detailed programs that they will do, a, b, c, on taking office.*

*and good luck, if Congress stays with the donks.

(the energy program *might* be that, but details, I want dates and places and gigawatts and BTUs, not 0bambi's, "we'll spend $150,000,000,000 over ten years." Yeah, well, so will I, keeping gas in my Honda.)

656 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:16:29pm

re: #626 FrogMarch

Uhhh vs. Change

The video on that post is too funny! uh uh uh uh uh mmm,,,uhh

657 J.S.  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:16:36pm

re: #573 Dianna

I just looked at the front page of the wiki bio (did a search for the phrase "jews for Jesus", came up empty...) There's a second page (that tab portion) where you can check for all the "controversies" and why the page has been edited/locked down, etc. I haven't checked out that second page...the behind the scenes look...)

658 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:16:58pm

re: #606 the lizard

that's exactly how it works. they don't come to your door to save you but themselves.

They? Christians? All of us? Some sects? Totally selfish motives i guess.

Very few of us go door to door (Mormons & JWs are all I've ever had)

659 whitehatguy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:17:11pm

Protests in St Paul have just started. Watch out for the loons. It could get real nasty.

660 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:17:27pm

re: #629 eschew_obfuscation

(Philosophy) Objectivism.

FAL, AKM

661 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:17:43pm

Folks - MarjorieMoon is voting for Obama - and spreading standard left-wing e-mail talking points that are lies and/or at the very minimum out of context half-truths.

662 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:17:45pm
663 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:17:55pm

re: #654 Killgore Trout

I've had a lot of conversion attempts. Some of them have been very very awkward. It's sometimes difficult to be polite in those situations.

You're not Jewish, the J4J people would pass your case on to their subsidiary organization, Atheists for Allah.

664 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:17:59pm

re: #647 Occasional Reader

NOT ONLY THAT:

Palin is on record as having shot a moose.

The natural predator for the moose is the grizzly bear.

Grizzly bears have doubtless attacked some Jews some time in the past.

Therefore, Sarah Palin is implicitly siding with the grizzly bears against the Jews!

PALIN = ANTISEMITE! ! ! !

O.K...that was cause for a great belly-laugh!

665 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:18:15pm

Well, the anarchy people are starting early today.

/unfortunately for them, they still haven't figured out the tear gas

666 infidel Alan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:18:27pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she [Palin] vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

Did she cut the actual budget or the budget increase? Confusing these two things is a favorite leftist tactic when they are lying about fiscal matters. I think a cut of 62% in the actual budget is unlikely.

667 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:18:28pm

re: #639 midwestgak

That's "new-clear plants", new-clear. Gotta love her. Pronounces it like George W.

Watch out! Saracuda might just putya through the woodchipper out by the lake, ya.

668 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:18:47pm

'Dr. Phil' Chastises Letterman's Deriding of Palin's Bad Parenting

Letterman sarcastically complained that if a President McCain “drops dead...don't you want your President to have had the presence of mind to have chatted to her teenaged kids for five minutes about birth control?” (Letterman delivered the same belittling joke the night before too.)

snip

Let me tell you something, new dad. If you are under the misapprehension that when Harry is 17 that you are going to have even a remote influence on what he decides in the back seat of a Chevy on a Saturday night -- I don't think old Dave's going to be popping in his mind at that point. It's not a 15-minute conversation. It's a dialogue that you need to have starting when he's about eight or nine.

snip

Letterman soon sneered: “They don't sell Trojans in Alaska? Come on,” prompting McGraw to point out: “Wasn't Barack's mother like 18 when he was born?” Indeed she was.

Letterman's math sucks. He says he has no problem with it because she was 18. But she became pregnant at 17 from a 25 year old man with 3 wives.

That's one hell of a double standard.

669 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:18:56pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

No, she didn't cut the funding for teen pregnancies.

Covenant House (a fine organization, by the way, which deals with runaways and has lately branched out into helping foster kids transition into independent living) was seeking assistance from the State of Alaska for a $22 million capital project. They asked the legislature for $10 million. The legislature voted $5 million; Palin cut that capital campaign contribution to $3.9 million. Covenant House received other, program funding that was not cut.

I don't know anything about the special ed budget - it's out of my field. Someone else will have to answer that.

670 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:19:00pm

re: #654 Killgore Trout

I've had a lot of conversion attempts. Some of them have been very very awkward. It's sometimes difficult to be polite in those situations.

I've had more attempts to convert me to socialism and atheism then to catholicism to be honest. Talk about awkward. I do remain polite, but look for the door asap.

671 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:19:15pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

Maybe she didn't feel it was the government's place to support unwed teen mothers. And since she isn't asking them to support her daughter, I'd call that consistent.

And with the Special Education budget, you are making the classic liberal mistake of confusing how much money you spend on something with A) how much you care about it, and B) the quality of it.

672 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:19:21pm

re: #652 vagabond trader

Here's another freedom sound for you, turn up the volume
P-47D startup

from the
Aircraft Engine Historical Society.


Back to work for me!

673 deanayer  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:19:24pm

Should Obama consider dumping Biden now in favor of Hillary?

Can I take an informal poll here please ! Does he have buyers remorse? I know the Drive buy media wanted McCain to quickly dump Palin after they knifed her gang-style in a dark alley all last weekend, Now with turn-about being fair play as the british say, maybe we should ask "The Obama" if he would like a do-over as well.

674 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:19:48pm
675 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:19:59pm

re: #599 WrathofG-d

What I imagine bothers the left so much with Palin is that if McCain/Palin win it will be another major chip in their insistance that only they can represent African-Americans, and other "minorities".

Not only will it be the Republicans that Freed The Slaves, but it will us be the Republicans that 1st put a female into the office of Vice President of The United States.

They must know that eventually the "minorities" will realize that all the Democrat party can deliever to them are empty promises.

Now, that is change I can believe in.

The Democrats believe that "minorities" cannot succeed without their help, which is a form of {race,sex,etc}ism.
The Republicans believe that giving everyone equal rights means giving them the chance to succeed, and it is up to them to do it.

676 Empire1  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:20:13pm

I still don't like or trust McCain, and if he had chosen one of the "conventional Wisdom" candidates, I'd still be debating whether to go third-party or simply skip the top of the ticket. Now, though, I'll be voting for Palin -- I guess it's okay if the Rino goes along for the ride.

Also, Mr. Empire (the political observer who refers to Dems as Communists and Repubs as Socialists) is registering to cast his first vote in decades for Palin.

677 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:20:25pm

re: #654 Killgore Trout

I've had a lot of conversion attempts. Some of them have been very very awkward. It's sometimes difficult to be polite in those situations.

/Jesus Loves You Still

678 Son Of The Godfather  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:20:39pm

I'm sorry to post this here, but EVIL is not a made-up concept. (from The Jawa Report)

It is real, and it is here.

(WARNING: Do not click if you are anywhere near a lethal instrument)

679 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:20:47pm

re: #579 Sharmuta

Wow- I just went and checked on the annefrance nazi and see s/he got -314. That's a new record. That's some serious ding down.

If I had a Hammer
I'd ding her in the morning
I'd ding in the evening
all o'er this land
I ding out for freedom
I'd down ding with courage
I'd ding out love between my Brothers and sisters
all o'er this land.

/My name is the hoopster and i approve this message.

680 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:20:49pm

re: #655 itellu3times

Maybe it can be boiled dows to a question of record vs. rhetoric.

McCain has the record. Obama has the rhetoric.

681 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:20:54pm

re: #661 FrogMarch

Folks - MarjorieMoon is voting for Obama - and spreading standard left-wing e-mail talking points that are lies and/or at the very minimum out of context half-truths.

Yeah, I know, but it is good practice to answer the most obvious misdirection, if only for the sake of the lurker who momentarialy thinks she has a good point.

682 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:20:59pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

Is that an actual cut? Or a decrease in the amount the budget was raised? A favorite tactic of the left ..If you normally increase a budget by one million a year and then one year only increase it by five hundred thousand they call that a 50% budget cut even though the budget increases.

683 sparrowlake  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:20:59pm

Syria floats proposal for Israel talks

"The main issue in the Syria-Israel negotiations is the Golan Heights, which Israel seized from Syria in the 1967 war, in order to put an end to Syria's use of the Heights as a vantage point from which to continually firing artillery into Israeli farm communities and killing Israeli civilians."

Fixed it.

684 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:21:02pm

re: #651 opnion

I hope that he at least asks tough questions.

Mr. Obama, thank you for coming to the Factor. I am sitting on your thumb in the no-spin-zone. Do you think it's painful?

685 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:21:43pm

re: #661 FrogMarch

Folks - MarjorieMoon is voting for Obama - and spreading standard left-wing e-mail talking points that are lies and/or at the very minimum out of context half-truths.

I hate to do this since I actually want people to disagree with the crowd; it keeps us honest. But given that those states marjorie posted as nothing but moonbat talking points, it's pretty much a done deal.

Marjoriemoon-bat is going into the troll box for a five-thread penalty.

Watching you dearie.

686 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:21:52pm

re: #645 ploome hineni

yes

that is what the Holocaust and today's antiZionism is all about

that is what they want, our Bible, our history our blood and our death

Don't forget..they want your money also..

687 runrabbitrun  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:21:56pm

re: #659 whitehatguy

Protests in St Paul have just started. Watch out for the loons. It could get real nasty.

The organizers have already claimed that the protesters usual gang of idiots were going to stay on the streets past the hour designated by their gathering permit.

688 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:22:00pm

re: #641 Kosh's Shadow

The Christians I know and have known haven't tried to convert me. I know one who helped another Christian become more observant; perhaps now "born again", but that's different.

And the only so-called-"Jews" for Jesus I've met were at a subway station handing out literature, which I took by mistake and threw out as soon as I realized what it was. If I saw them again, I'd take it again just to throw it out again.

And there are people who look like your avatar trying to "convert" Jews - to return to the answer.

Nothing drives the Israeli libs more nuts than that.

689 hazzyday  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:22:08pm

re: #32 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Keep posting the link.
She's up to -252, climbing steadily.

Oucho I hit plus by mistake.

690 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:22:20pm

re: #665 Killian Bundy

Well, the anarchy people are starting early today.

/unfortunately for them, they still haven't figured out the tear gas

The anarchy committee in charge of getting the gas masks never manages to get organized.

691 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:22:34pm

re: #678 Son Of The Godfather

I'm sorry to post this here, but EVIL is not a made-up concept. (from The Jawa Report)

It is real, and it is here.

(WARNING: Do not click if you are anywhere near a lethal instrument)

My grandson is a Down's baby.

That is disgusting.

692 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:22:43pm

re: #689 hazzyday

Oucho I hit plus by mistake.

Drop and give me 50!

693 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:22:53pm

re: #678 Son Of The Godfather

I'm sorry to post this here, but EVIL is not a made-up concept. (from The Jawa Report)

It is real, and it is here.

(WARNING: Do not click if you are anywhere near a lethal instrument)

Someone needs a serious beating.

694 looking closely  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:22:54pm

re: #612 Dianna

I'm not Jewish. But I support Israel, and I don't like what I'm hearing from Obama.


Jewish or not Jewish, Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East and the USA's staunchest ally there.

With respect to Israel, Obama is remarkably tone deaf, having a complete lack of understanding of the issues in the Middle East. That's catastrophic, because again, Jewish or not Jewish, the likelihood of another war breaking out between Israel and Hizb'Allah (let alone Israel and Iran) during the next four years is high.

Obama, you'll recall, is the candidate who wanted to bomb Afghanistan (of course, our ally) to further the search for OBL. Then he said he wanted to renegotiate NAFTA (to the utter horror of Canada, another ally).

And of course, recently he blamed Russia and Georgia (another important US ally) equally for Russia's invasion of Georgia.

The point is, Obama is a walking foreign-policy disaster. Not only does he not treat our allies right, he apparently doesn't even know who they are or what issues are important to them.

Obama makes Carter look like a foreign policy genius.

695 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:23:01pm

re: #670 celtic templar

I've had more attempts to convert me to socialism and atheism then to catholicism to be honest.

Ya, Obama is trying his hardest to convert the world to socialism.

696 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:23:02pm

re: #641 Kosh's Shadow

The Christians I know and have known haven't tried to convert me. I know one who helped another Christian become more observant; perhaps now "born again", but that's different.

And the only so-called-"Jews" for Jesus I've met were at a subway station handing out literature, which I took by mistake and threw out as soon as I realized what it was. If I saw them again, I'd take it again just to throw it out again.

We have some concert affair put on by the J4J every year, I think the wife goes to. She says it is just singing, no preaching. Same folks?

697 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:23:16pm

re: #668 Ben Hur

'Dr. Phil' Chastises Letterman's Deriding of Palin's Bad Parenting

Letterman's math sucks. He says he has no problem with it because she was 18. But she became pregnant at 17 from a 25 year old man with 3 wives.

That's one hell of a double standard.

Why wouldn't that be a triple standard?
/

698 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:23:26pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

Found it here.

In the wee hours of the morning yesterday, I told you about the Washington Post’s false accusation that Gov. Sarah Palin “slashed” funding for a teen pregnancy program, when in reality, there was “over a threefold increase from the government funds they received from all sources in 2006 (FY2006 ending 12/31/06).”

Many of you have contacted the WaPo ombudsperson about the lie. But she is apparently on vacation until next week. Keep after it — because the meme is spreading. The NYTimes has now recycled WaPo’s nonsense with this apoplectic headline: “Palin’s Budget Cuts Affect Teenage Mothers.”

And now, via Brian Faughnan, there’s this new smear using liberal math to decry Palin’s alleged “slashing” of special-needs funds. They’re so screamingly desperate:

I just watched CNN’s Soledad O’Brien sandbag former White House Communications Director Nicole Wallace by asking her how Sarah Palin can claim to be a defender of special needs children when she cut the budget for that Alaska office by 62 percent. Wallace wasn’t familiar with the charge — which isn’t surprising, since it’s only being made on DailyKos and another liberal site. (Tip for Ms. O’Brien: DailyKos is not a reliable news site.)

This charge is based on looking at the budget for Alaska’s Special Education Service Agency for 2007-2009. In fact, the December 2006 budget document that they cite would have been prepared by the outgoing administration — that of Republican Frank Murkowski, whom Palin defeated.

What’s gone unmentioned is that the Palin signed into law a dramatic reform of the state’s education financing system that equalizes aid to rural and urban districts, while significantly increasing funding for special needs students.
Keep it going, Palin-bashers. You’re doing a fantastic job:

699 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:23:39pm
700 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:23:46pm

re: #687 runrabbitrun

The organizers have already claimed that the protesters usual gang of idiots were going to stay on the streets past the hour designated by their gathering permit.

I'm listening to the police frequencies.

/they have plenty of tear gas

701 JHW  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:24:30pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

I respect your position on deciding for yourself who you'd rather vote for, but Gov. Palin did not slash funding on the things you mentioned.She cut the amount that the legislature requested, but it still amounted to a three-fold increase over the previous year, this to a non-governmental entity, Covenant House.anti-Palin Lie of the Morning: She Slashed Teen Pregnancy Funding.

702 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:24:31pm

re: #675 Kosh's Shadow

The Democrats believe that "minorities" cannot succeed without their help, which is a form of {race,sex,etc}ism.
The Republicans believe that giving everyone equal rights means giving them the chance to succeed, and it is up to them to do it.

The soft bigotry of low expectations...I heard that somewhere ;~)

703 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:24:36pm

re: #687 runrabbitrun

The organizers have already claimed that the protesters usual gang of idiots were going to stay on the streets past the hour designated by their gathering permit.

Do these protests ever work? What is the point? I'll jab my lib friends and tell them that I watch the DNC for the sexy code pinkers ... but really, anywhere has one of these stupid marches ever done anything? Changed a vote to their cause? Horrendous carbon footprint all of these protesters, they are.

704 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:24:38pm

re: #665 Killian Bundy

Well, the anarchy people are starting early today.

/unfortunately for them, they still haven't figured out the tear gas

Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance...

Anarchist have planning problems...

705 WrathofG-d  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:24:40pm

With Palin and Obama it comes down to


(1) a good Christian who WRONGLY believes that my soul is going to burn in hell, and thus wants to convert me to her religion, thus "saving" me. Any Jesus person trying to convince me to convert is going to get a very abrupt NO. I don't fear them!

or

(2) a bad black nationalist/NOI supporter who although he has an innocent smile on his face and will tell me he has my Jewish interests at heart, will arm and support those who are working and planning for the genocide of my people. This I do fear!

Both are not the BEST choice. But the choice is clear. I'll take my chances with obnoxious "bible thumpers" over a nuclear armed Islamic Terrorist anyday.

706 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:25:10pm

re: #668 Ben Hur

He says he has no problem with it because she was 18. But she became pregnant at 17 from a 25 year old man with 3 wives..

I believe, to be fair, that Obama Sr. only had one additional wife when he fathered Obama, Jr. The other two were married later.

707 opnion  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:25:24pm

re: #668 Ben Hur

'Dr. Phil' Chastises Letterman's Deriding of Palin's Bad Parenting


Letterman's math sucks. He says he has no problem with it because she was 18. But she became pregnant at 17 from a 25 year old man with 3 wives.

That's one hell of a double standard.

Letterman also cracked the other night , that te Palin family appeared on the Springer Show. Get it? White trash, you know cause of the five kids & all.
His audience laughed like idiots. They were there to laugh.
Letterman has not been funny in years& he stays under informed and over opinionated.

708 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:25:27pm

re: #700 Killian Bundy

I'm listening to the police frequencies.

/they have plenty of tear gas

How do you store gas made out of tears?

709 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:26:42pm

re: #655 itellu3times

The is the marketing problem with laissez faire, it can too easily be mistaken for inaction or uncaring.

GMTA (see my #520 above).

710 CyanSnowSock  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:26:47pm

re: #708 midwestgak

How do you store gas made out of tears?

In an air duct?

711 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:27:10pm

re: #547 marjoriemoon


I'm a Joe Leiberman Dem (or was...I don't know where the hell he stands now), maybe a hawkish Dem, I guess you can say. I go with Dems on domestic policy and with the Repubs on foreign policy. I hope that answers your question.


Actually, in a way, I fell kind of sorry for you. You sound like an old style Democrat who has been left behind by the party. Do you have anyone in the Democratic Party for the future that fits this mold?

I truly hope you find your future Democratic leadership.
/Not sarc

712 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:27:11pm
713 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:27:35pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

If what was cut was fluff, then what is left will actually help Special Education better. As for the measures that would benefit unwed teenage mothers, how much of that was socialistic in nature and meant to continue welfare?

We've done a bang-up job of keeping these mothers in a cycle since LBJ's Great Society. They're unwed, and have no desire to wed as they can get more benefits by remaining unwed baby-making machines. Hell, there are women who have had each child by a different father in the ghettos here in northeast Illinois. And they keep getting benefits for doing this. Then they dump the kids into the ghetto before they turn 18. The girls rinse and repeat the cycle, and the boys turn to the gangs.

I have also noticed that school districts out there that keep asking for more money seem to never help the kids for which the money is intended. Take the Chicago Public Schools for instance. They spend over $11,000 per student, and still have a huge dropout rate. The money spent, and the dropout rate are both above the state average, and yet they claim they still don't have enough money. I'm sick of throwing money at problems as a way to solve them!

Funny though, that the two problems are related. Fix the families by encouraging marriage and a stable family, and you fix the schools with no money spent.

714 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:27:45pm

re: #708 midwestgak

How do you store gas made out of tears?

Obama will capture unicorn tears and turn them into gas to power cars of the future. Yes we can!

715 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:27:51pm

re: #654 Killgore Trout

I've had a lot of conversion attempts. Some of them have been very very awkward. It's sometimes difficult to be polite in those situations.

Do what I do when the Mormons corner me. I talk about Odin and Thor and Valhalla. If JWs corner me, I tell them I am Disassociated, therefore, I don't exist.

716 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:28:00pm

re: #685 Sol Roth

I hate to do this since I actually want people to disagree with the crowd; it keeps us honest. But given that those states marjorie posted as nothing but moonbat talking points, it's pretty much a done deal.

Marjoriemoon-bat is going into the troll box for a five-thread penalty.

Watching you dearie.

That's exactly it. Left-wing e-mails are highly suspect. The left openly admit that they want to destroy her with lies.

717 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:28:07pm

re: #710 CyanSnowSock

In an air duct?

hahahaha like it

718 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:28:25pm

re: #517 marjoriemoon

my god, you are an idiot...

719 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:28:51pm

re: #704 jcm

Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance...

Anarchist have planning problems...

They actually made a pretty good run at the Delegate buses returning to the

Minneapolis

hotels last night.

/until they got thoroughly tear gassed, again

720 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:29:01pm

re: #706 Silhouette

I believe, to be fair, that Obama Sr. only had one additional wife when he fathered Obama, Jr. The other two were married later.

Yesterday or the day before Hannity had a caller who said "Palin was unqualified because her 17 year old daughter was pregnant" and ask what Hannity thought.

Hannity asked, "Why don't you ask Obama's mother..."

721 Alouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:29:08pm

re: #712 buzzsawmonkey

From your excerpt:


See? See? Bristol's pregnancy is merely a sneaky attempt to milk the government for funds! Hypocrite! Hypocrite!

/sarc to the max, but I bet we'll be seeing it on Kos within 24 hours.

The MSM GOT THIS STORY from Kos.

722 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:29:29pm

re: #693 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope, that's the left showing just how progressive they are.

723 opnion  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:29:49pm

You can bet that there is a lot more to come out about the Palins.
Todd cheated at Dodge Ball in the third grade & Sarah actually once wore white after Labor Day.

724 bulwrk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:30:05pm

I don't know if anyone here has mentioned it but I think one of the best visuals last night was when the youngest Palin girl was licking her hand and smoothing out her baby brothers hair,priceless.

725 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:30:11pm

re: #706 Silhouette

I believe, to be fair, that Obama Sr. only had one additional wife when he fathered Obama, Jr. The other two were married later.


Noted.

Memo to Ben Hur:

He only had one additional wife.

726 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:30:19pm

re: #713 Honorary Yooper

<
Take the Chicago Public Schools for instance. They spend over $11,000 per student, and still have a huge dropout rate. The money spent, and the dropout rate are both above the state average, and yet they claim they still don't have enough money. I'm sick of throwing money at problems as a way to solve them!

I believe the teacher's pensions are funded by tax dollars as well.

727 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:30:41pm

re: #713 Honorary Yooper

A lot of public city schools spend upwards of $10,000 per student, yet many private schools get better results for a lot less. Makes you wonder just what exactly all that money is going to in the public schools.

728 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:30:48pm

re: #666 infidel Alan

Nearly impossible, actually. I don't believe the US has actually managed to get rid of either the mohair or the helium subsidy, and those were considered ridiculous back in the late 80's.

729 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:31:04pm

re: #715 Outrider

Do what I do when the Mormons corner me. I talk about Odin and Thor and Valhalla. If JWs corner me, I tell them I am Disassociated, therefore, I don't exist.

Does anyone see many Roman Catholics in the conversion / proselytizing game? It's not part of anything that I've been taught, except for "missions" that are usually sent to Africa or South America, so it's out of site out of mind. Just wondering if it is different around the country.

730 Tamron  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:31:31pm

re: #214 Ben Hur

MSNBC's Maddow Implies Palin Is Anti-Semitic


Sarah Palin is not anti-semetic!

I first met Sarah Palin two years ago, at a Jewish Fundraiser here in Anchorage just before the election. I told her "I think you're going to win the election (for Governor), so with that in mind, if we're standing here in 4 years from now, what will be on your mind?"

She smiled brightly and said, "Well, I guess I'll be thinking about getting re-elected."

Damn. She just upped the ante on that one.

(By the way, she has a sincere, firm handshake and excellent eye contact, so you feel at-home in her presence. There's really somebody there.)
.

731 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:31:31pm
732 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:31:34pm

re: #723 opnion

You can bet that there is a lot more to come out about the Palins.
Todd cheated at Dodge Ball in the third grade & Sarah actually once wore white after Labor Day.

I'm glad neither one of them wanted to be president at that age.

/

733 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:31:49pm

re: #715 Outrider

The worst one was a coworker invited me to dinner at his house. When I got there I soon realized that there were cheese and crackers at a bible study. They had a chair ready for me with a bible on it so I had to pick it up to sit down. I sat there for about 10 minutes then excused myself to go to the restroom. I then walked out the door and went home. He could never look me in the eye again.

734 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:31:51pm

re: #727 Sharmuta

A lot of public city schools spend upwards of $10,000 per student, yet many private schools get better results for a lot less. Makes you wonder just what exactly all that money is going to in the public schools.

Who's wondering? In Philadelphia, that's where you stash incompetent boosters and "friends"...

735 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:32:13pm

re: #673 deanayer

Should Obama consider dumping Biden now in favor of Hillary?
.

Too late. Hillary would not be stupid enough to take it.

736 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:32:51pm

I've been too busy to hang out today, but I did have time to listen to Sarah Palin's wonderful speech. I streamed it thru my computer & cranked up the speakers.

Dare I say it? I thought her speech was Reaganesque. It was that good. She talks with her audience, not to it. So many highlights, & I'm sure they've been quoted here today, but I just loved the "community organizer" jab. Oh, that was good!

737 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:33:06pm
738 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:33:12pm

re: #735 DeafDog

Too late. Hillary would not be stupid enough to take it.

I asked this question yesterday and a lizard replied that even if she agreed, Sarah has stolen all the thunder.

739 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:33:16pm

re: #727 Sharmuta

A lot of public city schools spend upwards of $10,000 per student, yet many private schools get better results for a lot less. Makes you wonder just what exactly all that money is going to in the public schools.

More admins per student is one source of the inefficiency

740 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:33:31pm

re: #722 lawhawk

Nope, that's the left showing just how progressive they are.

My foot is going to progress up that jackass's back side.

741 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:33:32pm

re: #731 buzzsawmonkey

Especially when you constantly hear about dilapidated buildings, outdated equipment, and shortages of books and basic supplies.

Yet it's never the superintendent's office that's running short on supplies.

742 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:33:38pm

re: #726 midwestgak

I believe the teacher's pensions are funded by tax dollars as well.

If they want a union, then their dues should go toward these pensions and be paid by and through the union. Otherwise, turn them into 401(k)s.

743 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:33:55pm

re: #725 Ben Hur

Noted.

He only had one additional wife.

Well, then. Obama's dad's mistake could be attributable to a simple rounding error.

744 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:33:56pm
745 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:33:58pm

It is nice to see that the MSM scrutiny machine still works.
Too bad Obama never came under anything resembling its unblinking gaze.

746 saberry0530  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:33:59pm

re: #674 taxfreekiller

the Democrats are about taxes
the Democrats are about higher taxes
the Democrats are about keeping the taxes higher
the Democrats are about spending every last dime that the taxes rake in PLUS SOME
the Democrats are about the "power" to keep the taxes and spending going to the end of time.

They are not able to change, so "We the People" must walk away from the ones in the Democratic party who mis-lead others, its not our job to keep them as the other side, a new other side must come from within America on its own, same old story the old evil king must die.

end of story

better

747 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:34:24pm

re: #315 yma o hyd

May I just jump in here with an observation?
In today's times of unlimited access to any except truly secret information it is politically highly unwise to let the opponent know in detail - or sometimes even in outline - what one is going to do when in office.
Not just because of the media and the opponents aim to destroy and /or ridicule one's purpose, but because of idea theft pure and simple.

This is the exact mistake our young Tory leadership made lasr year at their conference - they laid out plans about their proposed tax regime.
Gordon Brown, aiming for an early election, had his Chancellor of the exchequer (thats Finance Minister in other countries ...) rip off the most popular ideas and incorporate them in his pre-election (so they thought) budget speech a few weeks later.
The business journalists here are not in cahoots with NuLabour - so they pointed all this out gleefully.
There were no elections after all (Gord wobbled ...) - but the Tories, ever since, have been extremely careful not to give a single hint about actual policy changes they may introduce.

I reckon it is the same with this Presidential campaing .
Let B0 and the dems show their hands - they have not done much showing so far ebcause they ahve nothing.
McCain and Palin ahve spoken about some uncontroversial (for them) policies in regard to energy self-sufficiency - for the rest, they will wait for the debates so as not to give the other camp munition.

Fair enough observation. I hope you are right.

748 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:34:44pm

re: #620 Sol Roth

You mean she cut government funding for programs that an extended, nuclear family could provide thereby saving taxpayer money to grow the economy and shape the landscape to select for stable, nuclear families?

I don't know about the education thing, but on the unwed mothers house, what she really did was reduce from 5M to 3.9M a special request from them to build a new facility. Their original request was 10M, the legislature reduced it to 5M. The State of Alaska already funds the house to the tune of 1M or 1.5M per year. So, inactuality, their budget was increased, not cut.
Bait and switch.

This is sourced out there on one of the conservative blogs. Even includes a pdf of the budget sheet.

749 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:34:44pm

re: #724 bulwrk

I don't know if anyone here has mentioned it but I think one of the best visuals last night was when the youngest Palin girl was licking her hand and smoothing out her baby brothers hair,priceless.

Moonbat heads exploded, mothers cried, children laughed, McCain raked in a couple million more, and tens of thousands of voters witnessed a Palin loving a child in an unscripted, unguarded innocent moment. And they all know she learned it from her mother.

Hollywood is green at the gills with envy.

:)

750 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:34:57pm

re: #730 Tamron

Sarah Palin is not anti-semetic!

I first met Sarah Palin two years ago, at a Jewish Fundraiser here in Anchorage just before the election. I told her "I think you're going to win the election (for Governor), so with that in mind, if we're standing here in 4 years from now, what will be on your mind?"

She smiled brightly and said, "Well, I guess I'll be thinking about getting re-elected."

Damn. She just upped the ante on that one.

(By the way, she has a sincere, firm handshake and excellent eye contact, so you feel at-home in her presence. There's really somebody there.)
.

I don't think she is either.

I think the far leftists that Baruch hangs out with and are his core supporters hate Israel.

It's a requirement when you are that far left.

Khalid, Powers, Wright, Ayers, his mideast advisor meeting Hamas weekly.

Any Jew that supports Obama is being intellectually dishonest and won''t admit that political idealogy trumps other considerations in their lives.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. They should just be honest about it.

751 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:35:02pm

How did two Code Pinkers Medea Benjamin and Jodie Evans get RNC credentials?

[Link: minnesota.publicradio.org...]

752 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:35:26pm

Researching MarjorieMoon's claim on special education, I did find that Alaska has merit pay- not only for teachers, but for administrators and other faculty members. The school does right by the kids, and the government rewards them. How refreshing.

753 runrabbitrun  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:36:12pm

re: #597 marjoriemoon

The double standard is that she vetoed a number of measures that would benefit unwed teen mothers. She also cut her Special Education budget by 62%.

I'd have to see the past and current budget rather than rely on talking points, for one important reason (and this is the voice of a special needs granddaughter and many foster children speaking):

Often when budget cuts are reported by the press, and especially by the unions, they are considering the NEW budget amount that was requested as if it was already in the current budget (for example the old budget was 75 bucks. They ask in their annual budget increase request for another 25 bucks. When the INCREASE is disapproved by the administration, it is reported as a LOSS or CUT to the program of 25%.

So I'd have to see the specs before deciding.

754 bulwrk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:36:22pm

re: #673 deanayer

Should Obama consider dumping Biden now in favor of Hillary?


Never happen for Obama that would be conceding that he cannot win the election without her and would cripple his presidency if elected.

755 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:36:35pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

Nice, he lies to you, and then tries to convert you. I do believe there's a commandment out there about not bearing false witness.

756 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:36:38pm
757 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:37:11pm

re: #725 Ben Hur

Noted.

Memo to Ben Hur:

He only had one additional wife.

He couldn't legally marry Wife #3 in the US, because he'd married Wife #2 here, so Wife #3 went with him to Kenya and they married there. I've no idea if they lived with Wife #1, or if she was as abandoned as Wife #2. I also recall there being a Wife #4.

None of this reflects on Obama Jr.'s character or qualifications, or course.

758 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:37:19pm

re: #723 opnion

You can bet that there is a lot more to come out about the Palins.
Todd cheated at Dodge Ball in the third grade & Sarah actually once wore white after Labor Day.


Speaking of which, I read somewhere last night that she had a broken ankle when she led her High School team to the State BB championship. Has anyone else heard this or can confirm a source.

759 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:37:38pm

re: #756 buzzsawmonkey

Everybody keeps talking about nuclear families. What about the biothermal, wind, and clean coal families?

Hydro, even.

760 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:37:48pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

The worst one was a coworker invited me to dinner at his house. When I got there I soon realized that there were cheese and crackers at a bible study. They had a chair ready for me with a bible on it so I had to pick it up to sit down. I sat there for about 10 minutes then excused myself to go to the restroom. I then walked out the door and went home. He could never look me in the eye again.

Tacky, speaking as a Christian, tacky. If I invite you to dinner it's not an ambush bible study. You'll will have to endure someone saying grace before the meal. If I want you to come to a Bible study I'll ask straight up.

Personally for someone like you hanging out at the bar and having discussions and arguments about everything including religion works better. We stay friends and keep talking.

The rest is up to you.

Burning bridges in spreading the gospel is counter productive.

761 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:38:02pm

re: #704 jcm

Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance...

Anarchist have planning problems...

By their very definition...can they possibly have established committees and good planning?

762 runrabbitrun  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:38:19pm

re: #753 runrabbitrun

I'd have to see the past and current budget rather than rely on talking points, for one important reason (and this is the voice of a special needs granddaughter and many foster children speaking):

Often when budget cuts are reported by the press, and especially by the unions, they are considering the NEW budget amount that was requested as if it was already in the current budget (for example the old budget was 75 bucks. They ask in their annual budget increase request for another 25 bucks. When the INCREASE is disapproved by the administration, it is reported as a LOSS or CUT to the program of 25%.

So I'd have to see the specs before deciding.

opps, voice of a special needs grandMOTHER speaking: I need a lizard editor

=/

763 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:38:48pm

re: #701 JHW

And don't forget, that wasn't program funding (I researched this), but the capital funds request.

764 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:38:53pm

re: #752 Sharmuta

Researching MarjorieMoon's claim on special education, I did find that Alaska has merit pay- not only for teachers, but for administrators and other faculty members. The school does right by the kids, and the government rewards them. How refreshing.

We seriously need this in Illinois. Geeze, I hate the teachers' unions.

765 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:38:58pm

re: #756 buzzsawmonkey

Everybody keeps talking about nuclear families. What about the biothermal, wind, and clean coal families?

We don't support those alternative lifestyles here. You ain't from 'round here is ya?

766 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:39:07pm
767 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:39:12pm

re: #351 Cap'n DOC

Well - so much for BarkaLounger quarterbacking.

?

768 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:39:23pm

re: #707 opnion

Letterman also cracked the other night , that te Palin family appeared on the Springer Show. Get it? White trash, you know cause of the five kids & all.
His audience laughed like idiots. They were there to laugh.
Letterman has not been funny in years& he stays under informed and over opinionated.

I saw part of that last night. The audience was exceedingly quiet when letterman was attacking palin and dr phil was trying to get a word in edgewise. Dr Phil said straight out that 'bad parenting' had nothing to do with the daughter's pregnancy. letterman tried to make it sound like Palin kept all information on birth control methods 'unavailable' and therefore was cruel.

I've never heard his audience so quiet.

769 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:39:24pm

re: #751 KingKenrod

There's a code pink chick over at Dkos that makes fake press passes. We had a thread on her a couple months ago.

770 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:39:28pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

In his latest book, Defending Identity, Natan Sharansky recalled how he & a Pentecostal Christian used to read the Bible to each other while in the Soviet gulag. Natan read from the Old Testament & while his cell mate read from the New Testament. Neither was trying to convert or argue with the other, rather it was a way of sharing knowledge and building faith to help endure their imprisonment.

771 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:39:30pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

The worst one was a coworker invited me to dinner at his house. When I got there I soon realized that there were cheese and crackers at a bible study. They had a chair ready for me with a bible on it so I had to pick it up to sit down. I sat there for about 10 minutes then excused myself to go to the restroom. I then walked out the door and went home. He could never look me in the eye again.

Next time turn the tables- invite him to dinner and ambush him with an evolution study group. ;p

772 JHW  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:39:31pm

re: #728 Dianna

Nearly impossible, actually. I don't believe the US has actually managed to get rid of either the mohair or the helium subsidy, and those were considered ridiculous back in the late 80's.

Dianna, I can't remember who cut the mohair subsidy, but I do remember Sam Donaldson joking about losing it, apparently he'd been drawing it on a New Mexico hobby farm.

773 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:39:59pm

re: #706 Silhouette

I believe, to be fair, that Obama Sr. only had one additional wife when he fathered Obama, Jr. The other two were married later.

But that wife had 3-4 children and was pregnant when he left her with no divorce. She now lives in England.

774 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:40:02pm

re: #756 buzzsawmonkey

Everybody keeps talking about nuclear families.

Well, sure. Why do you think gays call us "breeders"?

775 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:40:05pm

re: #756 buzzsawmonkey

Everybody keeps talking about nuclear families. What about the biothermal, wind, and clean coal families?

Eddy Murphy is for natural gas families, or so the product placement in his outrageously funny, slapstick comedies suggests.

776 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:40:34pm

re: #739 Leonidas Hoplite

More admins per student is one source of the inefficiency

In WA state the unions complain about about large class size. But when you dive into the numbers, there is 1 teacher for every 12 students. But class size averages high 20's. There like 1.5 non-teaching teachers for every teacher in a class room. When you look at all the full time positions in the schools there is 1 full time employee for ever 7 students.

777 WrathofG-d  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:40:34pm

re: #768 Eowyn2

I saw part of that last night. The audience was exceedingly quiet when letterman was attacking palin and dr phil was trying to get a word in edgewise. Dr Phil said straight out that 'bad parenting' had nothing to do with the daughter's pregnancy. letterman tried to make it sound like Palin kept all information on birth control methods 'unavailable' and therefore was cruel.

I've never heard his audience so quiet.

I'm sure he will be making Black Babies Out Of Wedlock jokes about Obama soon too...NOT!

778 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:40:38pm

re: #738 midwestgak

I asked this question yesterday and a lizard replied that even if she agreed, Sarah has stolen all the thunder.

It's an interesting political comparison.

Hillary was not able to attack her political opponent without sounding shrill. In fact, listening to Hillary is like fingernails on the chalkboard. Her supporters thought the "shrill" label was because she was a woman. Not so...Sarah proved able to attack and still seem good humored.

Sarah is getting hit with sexism, but, but she overcame Hillary's #1 foible.

779 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:40:39pm

re: #775 Sol Roth

Eddy Murphy is for natural gas families, or so the product placement in his outrageously funny, slapstick comedies suggests.

Diddy's for crack families.

780 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:40:47pm

re: #728 Dianna

Nearly impossible, actually. I don't believe the US has actually managed to get rid of either the mohair or the helium subsidy, and those were considered ridiculous back in the late 80's.

Mohair subsidy?
Subsidising goats, innit?
Or what?

An occasional knitter would like to know ...

781 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:40:53pm

re: #760 jcm

If I invite you to dinner it's not an ambush bible study.

Nobody expects the...! [ah, you know the rest]

782 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:40:59pm

re: #766 buzzsawmonkey

Well, that's water under the bridge.

And a bridge over troubled waters.

783 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:41:07pm
784 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:41:14pm

re: #731 buzzsawmonkey

Especially when you constantly hear about dilapidated buildings, outdated equipment, and shortages of books and basic supplies.

If I recall correctly, the costs like $10,000/student/year do not include capital building costs or even upkeep in some places. In other words, they hide much of the education cost in another budget. So it is more than $10,000/year/student.

785 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:41:29pm

re: #761 Outrider

By their very definition...can they possibly have established committees and good planning?

Bold type on a telephone flyer I saw in Seattle...

ORGANIZE FOR ANARCHY!

786 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:41:33pm

re: #679 HoosierHoops

Good one, HH ! Buzzsaw-worthy!

787 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:41:48pm

re: #760 jcm

It's kinda funny now that I look back at it but at the time they just didn't leave me with any options for polite escape. I still laugh when I think of them hearing me go out the front door and start up my car. At least I didn't peel out in their driveway..

788 infidel Alan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:42:11pm

re: #753 runrabbitrun

I agree--confusing budgets and budget increases is a favorite trick of the left.

789 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:42:29pm
790 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:42:42pm

re: #770 Kenneth

I'll keep that in mind if I'm ever imprisoned.

791 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:42:56pm

Liberal Republicans lick their wounds

“There was shock” over Palin’s selection, said Jennifer Stockman, co-chairwoman of Republican Majority for Choice. “We were looking for someone who would be transformative and take control of the party away from the social conservatives.”

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

You lose.

792 Dianna  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:43:13pm

Excuse me for a while. Dogs need walking!

793 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:43:30pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

The worst one was a coworker invited me to dinner at his house. When I got there I soon realized that there were cheese and crackers at a bible study. They had a chair ready for me with a bible on it so I had to pick it up to sit down. I sat there for about 10 minutes then excused myself to go to the restroom. I then walked out the door and went home. He could never look me in the eye again.


Well I would have ate the crackers and cheese..Said thanks for dinner and left.

794 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:43:52pm

Someone tried to hit me with the "If it (teeange daughter pregnant) happened to the other side, you'd be saying the exact opposite."

I answered, "Impossible. Would've been aborted in 5 minutes."

It is tough competition between culture and parents to educate their kids.

She is succeptable to the lure of Generation Ho just like anyone else.

One of the differences is that Palin didn't encourage it - buying her thongs at 11, low cut jeans at 12 and writing on the seat of her pants at 13.

The left owns hypocricy, not Palin.

Her daughter was a victim of the left's culture, not Palin's.

Or how 'bout nature, for G-d's sake?

I am pro-choice, probably because I am weak.

At least I can admit it.

They can't and that's why they hate you.

I don't hate anti-Abortion advocates. I understand them. I respect them

I can understand how 50 million + people don't want THEIR TAX DOLLARS being used that way.

I understand that if Roe vs Wade was overturned, abortion WOULD NOT be illegal.

He learned the hard way that pulling out isn't always safe or EASY.

They are 17 and 18. You know, Jack and Dianne?

Not 17 and a 25 year man.

Her critics around these parts (NYC) don't have children, will tell you not to drive cars when they don't need one, will tell you to take public transportation as if their arugala arrives on the effen bus.

795 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:43:56pm

re: #791 Nevergiveup

Liberal Republicans lick their wounds

“There was shock” over Palin’s selection, said Jennifer Stockman, co-chairwoman of Republican Majority for Choice. “We were looking for someone who would be transformative and take control of the party away from the social conservatives.”

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

You lose.

Here comes the Republican Disunity Meme ...

796 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:44:00pm

re: #456 doppelganglander

Student Obama's Ties to Bigtime Saudi Adviser

Another BHO tie to Muslim extremists that the MSM won't cover.

797 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:44:04pm

Obama-backer Bening pillories Palin

"But the idea that people, who voted for Hillary, who tend to be Democrats, would change and vote for McCain because of Sarah Palin seems to me bizarre."

Bizarre?

/she "married" Warren Beatty, right?

798 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:44:11pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

The worst one was a coworker invited me to dinner at his house. When I got there I soon realized that there were cheese and crackers at a bible study. They had a chair ready for me with a bible on it so I had to pick it up to sit down. I sat there for about 10 minutes then excused myself to go to the restroom. I then walked out the door and went home. He could never look me in the eye again.

That was sneaky. I had someone pull something like that one once. But he was an Amway guy.

799 runrabbitrun  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:44:13pm

re: #703 celtic templar

I'll jab my lib friends and tell them that I watch the DNC for the sexy code pinkers ...

oh, my dear... please use the sarc tag when I'm reading lots of posts so quickly - I was about to email you with the name of a great optometrist, not to mention what you just did to the condition of my keyboard as I was scarfing down some cheesypoofs.

800 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:44:20pm

re: #727 Sharmuta

A lot of public city schools spend upwards of $10,000 per student, yet many private schools get better results for a lot less. Makes you wonder just what exactly all that money is going to in the public schools.

The democrats are dead set against choice and vouchers.
Of course the democrat party is tied to the teachers union.

They democrats don't care about results -they care about keeping their power structure in place - that means more of the same, more wasted money on failing schools and more propping up of a corrupt teachers union.

801 SouthAmericanWay  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:44:26pm

Wow! The United Steelworkers really hate their member's wife...

Which is why I hate unions: they'd rather have two lawyers (who never really worked as true lawyers) in the White House than the spouse of one of their own members!

802 opnion  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:44:41pm

re: #726 midwestgak

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Take the Chicago Public Schools for instance. They spend over $11,000 per student, and still have a huge dropout rate. The money spent, and the dropout rate are both above the state average, and yet they claim they still don't have enough money. I'm sick of throwing money at problems as a way to solve them!

I believe the teacher's pensions are funded by tax dollars as well.


The waste & corruption in the Chicago School System are legendary.
If you listen to the conversations in theiroffices downtown, you will hear nothing about students.
Everbody wants to be a principal or administrator , not a teacher.
The absolute most unfair thing to the teachers in the system is to be judged on merit

803 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:45:06pm

re: #778 DeafDog

It's an interesting political comparison.

Hillary was not able to attack her political opponent without sounding shrill. In fact, listening to Hillary is like fingernails on the chalkboard. Her supporters thought the "shrill" label was because she was a woman. Not so...Sarah proved able to attack and still seem good humored.

Sarah is getting hit with sexism, but, but she overcame Hillary's #1 foible.

When she has her first debate, I bet we'll see quick witted remarks.

Like Reagan? I will not let age and inexperience become an issue in this campaign. But I bet Sarah will. :) Gonna be fun.

804 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:46:32pm

re: #786 wolfie

Good one, HH ! Buzzsaw-worthy!

thanks wolfie..But buzzsaw is in the major leagues and i lament in the minor leagues.

805 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:46:45pm

Obama is reporting via Drudge that he has received 8 million since Palins speech last night.

Do they think having more money makes people vote for you?

806 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:47:07pm

re: #794 Ben Hur

Someone tried to hit me with the "If it (teeange daughter pregnant) happened to the other side, you'd be saying the exact opposite."

I answered, "Impossible. Would've been aborted in 5 minutes."

It is tough competition between culture and parents to educate their kids.

She is succeptable to the lure of Generation Ho just like anyone else.

One of the differences is that Palin didn't encourage it - buying her thongs at 11, low cut jeans at 12 and writing on the seat of her pants at 13.

The left owns hypocricy, not Palin.

Her daughter was a victim of the left's culture, not Palin's.

Or how 'bout nature, for G-d's sake?

I am pro-choice, probably because I am weak.

At least I can admit it.

They can't and that's why they hate you.

I don't hate anti-Abortion advocates. I understand them. I respect them

I can understand how 50 million + people don't want THEIR TAX DOLLARS being used that way.

I understand that if Roe vs Wade was overturned, abortion WOULD NOT be illegal.

He learned the hard way that pulling out isn't always safe or EASY.

They are 17 and 18. You know, Jack and Dianne?

Not 17 and a 25 year man.

Her critics around these parts (NYC) don't have children, will tell you not to drive cars when they don't need one, will tell you to take public transportation as if their arugala arrives on the effen bus.

Are. You. On. Meth? :)

807 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:47:12pm

re: #784 Silhouette

If I recall correctly, the costs like $10,000/student/year do not include capital building costs or even upkeep in some places. In other words, they hide much of the education cost in another budget. So it is more than $10,000/year/student.

I have to point out that the cost per student is an average.

Some special needs kids cost a District more than $100,000 a year to meet their educational needs. This is not a complaint, just a statement of fact.

Those who drop out are not forced to do so; they choose to do so. What do you want teachers to do?

I despise the NEA, but I am a strong supporter of my local association.

808 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:47:25pm
809 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:47:31pm

re: #805 Typicalwhitey

Do they think having more money makes people vote for you?

They think more money is the key to everything else, so why not.

810 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:47:39pm

re: #787 Killgore Trout

It's kinda funny now that I look back at it but at the time they just didn't leave me with any options for polite escape. I still laugh when I think of them hearing me go out the front door and start up my car. At least I didn't peel out in their driveway..

I don't feel sorry for them.
But I do apologize for their behavior, simply not appropriate.

Bible study by ambush...
*shaking my head*

811 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:48:02pm

re: #805 Typicalwhitey

Obama is reporting via Drudge that he has received 8 million since Palins speech last night.

Do they think having more money makes people vote for you?

How much of it came from the Palis and Iran?

812 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:48:28pm

re: #805 Typicalwhitey

Obama is reporting via Drudge that he has received 8 million since Palins speech last night.

Do they think having more money makes people vote for you?

With the way Obama pisses away money, it'll be spent before Friday.

813 jcm  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:48:28pm

re: #798 Outrider

That was sneaky. I had someone pull something like that one once. But he was an Amway guy.

I've had the Amway Ambush too!

814 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:48:35pm

Was I the only one looking at the future husband of Bristol last night and wondering what the heck must have been going through his head?

First off, you know there must have been a man-to-man talk with the First Dude. That alone had to have been, er, awkward.

And then, there you are on the tarmac with the entire family and 30 million viewers at age 18, astride History and hanging on for dear life.

I find the contemplation of it dizzying.

815 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:48:44pm

re: #688 Ben Hur

And there are people who look like your avatar trying to "convert" Jews - to return to the answer.

Nothing drives the Israeli libs more nuts than that.

You mean like Chabad?
I attend a couple of Chabad shuls near where I live. Figures, doesn't it?
Although it was my soul looking for the traditional Judaism of my youth, rather than them finding me.

816 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:48:52pm

re: #800 FrogMarch

The democrats are dead set against choice and vouchers.
Of course the democrat party is tied to the teachers union.

They democrats don't care about results -they care about keeping their power structure in place - that means more of the same, more wasted money on failing schools and more propping up of a corrupt teachers union.

Believe me- I know. I just like to point out that quite a number of private schools, such as Catholic schools, educate the children better for far less per pupil. There are exclusive prep schools that cost more, sure, but I know some kids going to Catholic schools who's parents are paying a lot less than $10,000 per kid- A LOT less. But telling your average person on the street about this phenomenon gets them thinking, I believe.

It's not that government doesn't have the money it needs- it's all about how they spend it.

817 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:49:03pm
818 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:49:43pm

re: #793 HoosierHoops

Well I would have ate the crackers and cheese..Said thanks for dinner and left.

He should have went into the kitchen opened the fridge and made a sandwich to go.

819 willowone  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:49:54pm

i might question equally if we are having comparisons, whom the Dem party has been comforting the last few years.

820 Talking Stick  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:51:05pm

The spare minimal speaking style of the Hawaiian Gov., Linda Lingle, seems to have been lost in the following flamboyance, but I found it very appealing.. never heard of her before last night, and hope she gets more national exposure.

821 Outrider  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:51:09pm

re: #737 buzzsawmonkey

Can I interest you in the Jehovah's Witness Protection Program?

My daughter told me I meant to say Disfellowshipped-not disassociated. She was one before she caught on.

822 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:51:21pm

Obama-backer Bening pillories Palin

[Link: www.canada.com...]

Gee there's a shocker for ya!

823 CyanSnowSock  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:51:33pm

re: #579 Sharmuta

Wow- I just went and checked on the annefrance nazi and see s/he got -314. That's a new record. That's some serious ding down.

Oops, I dinged you up when I meant to quote you.
I even logged in with my sock puppet to pile on the down dings for annefrance. I wonder what is happening to her other three comments?

824 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:51:57pm
825 opnion  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:51:58pm

re: #805 Typicalwhitey

Obama is reporting via Drudge that he has received 8 million since Palins speech last night.

Do they think having more money makes people vote for you?


Like to know where it all came from.

826 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:52:14pm

re: #817 Iron Fist

They don't seem to get that social conservatives are somewhere between 40% to 70% of the Party, depending on the issue. For some reason, this largest segment of the Party thinks it should run the Party. It smells like a democracy to me.

Yeah, and after Arlene Spector was so Loyal to President Bush?

827 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:52:20pm

re: #805 Typicalwhitey

Obama is reporting via Drudge that he has received 8 million since Palins speech last night.

Do they think having more money makes people vote for you?

From Saudis via Hezbeulah to Ramallahan's For Obama call center.

828 looking closely  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:52:24pm

re: #808 buzzsawmonkey

If you pay them to, yes.

Well, then you get into the issue of whose votes are more expensive.

The cheapest votes are probably dead person votes, and I think Obama has that demographic locked up.

829 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:52:37pm

re: #737 buzzsawmonkey

Can I interest you in the Jehovah's Witness Protection Program?

That's what I tell them. That I am in the JW Protection Program and to please quit blowing my cover...

The LDS Elders are much more fun...we usually have a nice conversation. My mother-in-law is a convert so I have had twenty years to pick up enough catch-phrases to really confuse them if they're annoying me, or to let them down gently if they're not.

830 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:52:41pm

Is it a troll being kicked out at 13:42?

Damn those moonbats.

831 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:52:56pm

re: #803 midwestgak

When she has her first debate, I bet we'll see quick witted remarks.

Like Reagan? I will not let age and inexperience become an issue in this campaign. But I bet Sarah will. :) Gonna be fun.

knock on wood to avoid a jinx, but I hope you are right.

832 Dahveed  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:53:12pm

re: #750 Ben Hur

At this point the Democrats are throwing everything they can at Sarah Palin and hoping something sticks. It is such a joke thinking she is anti-Semitic. I think that the RJC would not be endorsing her and such Jewish pundits as William Kristol would not have pushed her name prior to her selection if they thought she was anti-Semitic.

The RJC has also put out the following fact sheet regarding Joe Biden's record on Iran and Israel:

A risky choice just got riskier. With the selection of Senator Joe Biden as Senator Obama's vice president, the Democrat's ticket has now become an even greater gamble for the Jewish community. Throughout his career, Senator Biden has consistently been wrong on Iran and his voting record on Israel has been inconsistent. Like Obama, Biden fundamentally misunderstands the threat posed by an Iran determined to obtain nuclear weapons. Biden has continuously demonstrated poor judgment on Iran. He has voted against significant legislation that would pressure Iran to stop pursuing nuclear weapons. Biden has failed to recognize the serious threat that Iran poses to Israel and the US and its allies in the Middle East.

Biden Votes Wrong on Iran:
•November 2007, Kyl-Lieberman Resolution, 76-22: Like Obama, Biden was one of the few senators to oppose the bipartisan 2007 Kyl-Lieberman Amendment labeling the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. Democratic Senators who supported the bipartisan resolution included Sen. Clinton (D-NY), Sen. Reid (D-NV), Sen. Durbin (D-IL), and Sen. Levin (D-MI).
•June 2004, Letter Urging the President to Highlight Iran’s Nuclear Program at the G-8 Summit, 66 Signers: Senator Biden did not sign this important letter which had 66 co-signers.
•May 1998, Iran Missile Proliferation Sanctions Act, 90-4: In 1998, Sen. Biden was one of only four senators to vote against the Iran Missile Proliferation Sanctions Act, a bill that punished foreign companies or other entities that sent Iran sensitive missile technology or expertise.

Biden’s Inconsistent Record on Israel:
•June 2008, Landrieu/Collins Letter to President Bush Supporting Israel’s Quest for Peace, 77 Signers: Sen. Biden did not sign this pro-Israel letter which had 77 signers.
•December 2005,Talent/Nelson Letter Urging Pres. Bush to Press Palestinian Leadership to Bar Terrorist Groups from Participating in Palestinian Legislative Elections, 73 co-signers: Sen. Biden did not sign this letter barring terror groups from participating in Palestinian elections which ultimately had 73 co-signers.
•March 2004, Schumer-Hatch-Clinton-Smith Letter Urging Kofi Annan to Reverse Support for ICJ Hearings on the Security Fence, 79 Signers: Sen. Biden did not sign this letter urging Kofi Annan to reverse support for the International Court of Justice Hearings on the Security fence which ultimately had 79 signers.
•November 2001, Bond/Schumer Letter Urging President Not to Meet with Arafat until the Violence Ends, 89 Signers: Sen. Biden did not sign this letter urging President Bush not to meet with Arafat until Palestinian violence ceased. The letter had 89 signers.
•March 1998, Mack/Lieberman Letter Urging the Clinton Administration Not to Pressure Israel, 82 Signers: Sen. Biden did not sign this pro-Israel letter that had 82 signers.
•May 1993, Kennedy/Grassley Letter Urging President to Press Syria let Syrian Jews Leave, 73 Signers: In 1993, Sen. Biden refused to sign this letter which called on Syria to allow Syrian Jews to leave Syria. Ultimately, 73 signers approved.

833 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:53:12pm

This may well help McCain-Palin in MI:

Detroit Mayor Kilpatrick pleads guilty, resigns

834 Jimash  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:53:18pm

re: #214 Ben Hur

Just to get it out of the way.

Sarah's relations with Alaskan Jews

835 caliredst8r  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:53:32pm

Wow! McCain at one stroke has completely ripped the thin facade of respectibility, the veneer of balance that was at best a nanometer thick, the smile-in-your-face mask of impartiality, from the MSM. It is truly getting ugly out there, the gnashing of teeth, the flinging of their feces, the bitter bile on display is a thing to behold. Who would have thought that the choice of a petite youngish woman from the frontier of America, a nobody, in the words of the left, would expose the whole Leftist/Democrat/MSM Borg for what it is. I hope and pray that America is paying very close attention.

836 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:53:34pm

re: #556 Kosh's Shadow

Over at Kos, there's a Paultard who has become an 0bamaniac.

That's one small step for an idiot to make. Obama has in many ways become a Ron Paul-style "crazy magnet".

837 Sol Roth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 1:53:35pm

re: #820 Talking Stick