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Overnight Open Thread

Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:25:31 pm PDT

'Cause there’s a train coming into the station
But it's heading for a new destination

-- Devo, "It Doesn't Matter to Me"

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1 Edouard  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:26:40pm

Go, Barracuda, Go!

2 coquimbojoe  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:27:30pm

re: #1 Edouard

Go, Barracuda, Go!

I second the motion!

3 Cognito  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:28:22pm

I totally forgot about O'Reilly and Obama, earlier tonight.

How did that go? Anyone watch it?

4 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:28:23pm

A good week, and Charles left us some trolls to play with.

Let's let the newbies have at 'em.

5 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:28:55pm

re: #3 Cognito

Those two Irish guys on cable access?

6 jcobble  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:29:18pm

Who made her king?
/Sara

7 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:29:39pm

Ooooh trains coming into the station. :)

/shameless photo pimping

8 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:30:02pm

re: #1 Edouard

Go, Barracuda, Go!


3rd, 4th or 5th the motion depending on how slow I type.

9 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:30:33pm

This looks like a nice overnight thread I can kick my feet up in and make myself comfy....

10 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:31:02pm

Overnight? I'm just waking up!

11 gop_patriot  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:31:03pm

re: #7 BlueCanuck

I like it. :) How are you doing, Blue?

12 jcobble  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:31:20pm

Sarah.
AKK

13 victor_yugo  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:31:22pm

Heh. I got the Sarah Palin video last night, not too long after it got posted.

14 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:31:59pm

re: #11 gop_patriot

Hey gop, doing okay I guess. Just debating on whether to go to bed or go on a mix run. Been a rough month.

15 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:32:01pm

Are the conventions over already? I hope so.

16 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:32:12pm

Devo - loved that band when I was a kid. They came from this mysterious place called Akron, which I assumed had to be cool because it produced them.

17 RickD  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:32:32pm

Sarah Palin Nude

Fauxtography rears its ugly head. Do you think it's the Iranians?

Judge for yourselves

18 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:32:35pm

re: #10 zombie

Overnight? I'm just waking up!

What? Did you take a SST home from the RNC?

19 wee fury  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:32:39pm

re: #3 Cognito

I did. Obama's nose mole (or pimple) stood out starkly.

20 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:32:49pm

re: #15 zombie

Are the conventions over already? I hope so.

Not sure when the Greens are having their convention ...

21 victor_yugo  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:33:10pm

re: #15 zombie

Are the conventions over already? I hope so.

What about the Libertarians, the Greens, the ACP, the Constitutionalists...

22 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:33:22pm

re: #16 karmic_inquisitor

Akron "Better Living Through Chemistry"
right?

23 Cognito  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:33:37pm

re: #19 wee fury

I did. Obama's nose mole (or pimple) stood out starkly.

That's it, though? No fireworks? And/or acquiescing?

24 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:34:46pm
25 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:35:11pm

Darn - I missed the Green convention.

But plenty of video here!

26 spidly  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:35:32pm

Be happy... OR NOT!

g'nite

27 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:35:56pm

I present tonight the alternate version of the Lord of the Rings:

Part 1: What about a catapult?
Part 2: PWNED!

28 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:35:57pm

re: #3 Cognito

Barry did a lot of, "well, ahem, well, now, this is, I said, ahem, ahem, well, ahem"

Nothing of substance.

29 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:35:58pm

Minds made up. I am done for the night. See you great lizards tomorrow. Even if you don't see me. :)

Stay scaly and fight the good fight.

30 gop_patriot  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:36:03pm

re: #14 BlueCanuck

A mix run? Is that like a beer run? Sorry you've been having a tough time. But I'm glad you're here with us. (((hug)))

I have a Flickr account also; I'm going to try and "friend" you, if I can figure out how, and if you don't mind? :) Won't bother me if you'd rather not.

31 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:36:30pm

OUCH!

On Tuesday, CBS took a poll that said Obama ws up by 8 points nationwide.

CBS, the sme polling organization took the exact same poll today. Results? Tied!

Friday, September 05
Race Poll Results Spread
National CBS News Obama 42, McCain 42 Tie

Tuesday, September 02
Race Poll Results Spread
National USAT/Gallup Tracking* Obama 50, McCain 43 Obama +7
National Hotline/FD Obama 48, McCain 39 Obama +9
National CBS News Obama 48, McCain 40 Obama +8

That's an 8-point swing in just two days. Unprecedented disaster for the Democrats. The electoral equivalent of the 1929 Stock Market crash.

32 Cognito  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:36:40pm

re: #28 ggt

Barry did a lot of, "well, ahem, well, now, this is, I said, ahem, ahem, well, ahem"

Nothing of substance.

Wow. What a loss for O'Reilly.

Sounds like Obama gave him the slip.

33 wee fury  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:36:50pm

re: #23 Cognito

Bill asked about the Surge -- and suggested that O perhaps would like to apologize for his statement regarding the surge not working. O hedged and hemmed and hawed . . . and did not apologize. Said that things were better in Iraq because of other reasons.

34 NhaTrang72  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:36:53pm

Two smells on a Thursday night:

The sweet smell of victory ( R )

and the stink of fear & despair ( D )

35 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:37:08pm

re: #25 karmic_inquisitor

Speaking of which, one doesn't hear much about the "Green" DNC lately, does one?

I wonder how "Green" it was.

36 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:37:47pm

re: #22 rawmuse

Akron "Better Living Through Chemistry"
right?

When I was a kid (Junior high / high school) I knew that they made tires in Akron and that the lake burned in nearby Cleveland. But that was about it. But Devo was just very funky and counter cultural up until "Whip it" was a hit and the Cheerleaders started using it (not that I minded).

37 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:38:24pm

re: #31 zombie

OUCH!

On Tuesday, CBS took a poll that said Obama ws up by 8 points nationwide.

CBS, the sme polling organization took the exact same poll today. Results? Tied!


That's an 8-point swing in just two days. Unprecedented disaster for the Democrats. The electoral equivalent of the 1929 Stock Market crash.

And it doesn't have the post Palin speech numbers in it.

38 wee fury  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:38:26pm

re: #28 ggt

Barry did a lot of, "well, ahem, well, now, this is, I said, ahem, ahem, well, ahem"

Nothing of substance.

I guess that is why the nose mole (pimple) made the biggest impression on me.

39 Bobblehead  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:38:33pm

re: #31 zombie

OUCH!

On Tuesday, CBS took a poll that said Obama ws up by 8 points nationwide.

CBS, the sme polling organization took the exact same poll today. Results? Tied!


That's an 8-point swing in just two days. Unprecedented disaster for the Democrats. The electoral equivalent of the 1929 Stock Market crash.

Rush said Obama needed at least a 15 point bounce coming out the convention to stay in the race. I hopepray he is right.

40 jorline  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:38:36pm

re: #35 Noam Sayin'

Speaking of which, one doesn't hear much about the "Green" DNC lately, does one?

I wonder how "Green" it was.

I hear it brought in a ton of cash after Palin's speech.

41 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:38:57pm

re: #33 wee fury

Bill asked about the Surge -- and suggested that O perhaps would like to apologize for his statement regarding the surge not working. O hedged and hemmed and hawed . . . and did not apologize. Said that things were better in Iraq because of other reasons.

Did he follow Pelosi's lead and give Tehran credit for the decrease in violence?

42 Birkenstock Cowboy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:39:44pm

re: #5 Noam Sayin'

Those two Irish guys on cable access?

ROFL Noam

Howdy Yawl

43 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:39:57pm

re: #30 gop_patriot

Go ahead, friend me. Don't bother me a bit.

/now I am outta here.

44 gop_patriot  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:40:15pm

re: #29 BlueCanuck

Dang, I missed him. Goodnight, Blue.

45 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:40:33pm

re: #34 NhaTrang72

Two smells on a Thursday night:

The sweet smell of victory ( R )

and the stink of fear & despair ( D )

Despairocrats?

46 gop_patriot  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:40:44pm

re: #43 BlueCanuck

LOL or not. Sleep well. :)

47 RTLM  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:40:44pm

Beg pardon if this has been posted yet.

O'Reilly Obama interview

48 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:40:53pm

re: #35 Noam Sayin'

Speaking of which, one doesn't hear much about the "Green" DNC lately, does one?

I wonder how "Green" it was.

I am sure Zombie observed much. Zhe (Zombie notation for she/he) did post the pics of the idling SUVs and limos as well as the police escorted vip entourages.

49 hazzyday  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:41:00pm

Megyn Kelly

50 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:41:47pm

re: #32 Cognito

it is one of a 3 or 4 part interview. The better parts are to be aired starting Monday.

I'm so sick of it all, I doubt I'll watch.

51 Racer X  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:42:05pm

re: #40 jorline

I hear it brought in a ton of cash after Palin's speech.

Great. Just frickin great.

Democrats mortgage their homes to finance Barry's campaign. Who will bail them out once Johnny Mac gets elected?

52 NhaTrang72  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:42:33pm
#17 RickD 9/04/08 9:32:32 pm reply quote

That's Joe Biden behind the fake Palin, with new hairplugs

53 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:43:16pm

re: #38 wee fury

You know, I thought about that alot too!

LOL

I still think he looks ill (gaunt and ashen). Like his kidneys are not working well. I think the stress of it all is getting to him.

54 jorline  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:44:34pm

re: #51 Racer X

Great. Just frickin great.

Democrats mortgage their homes to finance Barry's campaign. Who will bail them out once Johnny Mac gets elected?

LMAO...ding. Just think, if O becomes the Potus...everyone will get a free home and health care and cars and no taxes and a chicken in every pot!

55 wee fury  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:44:52pm

re: #47 RTLM


Thanks! There you go Fenway -- the Interview.

56 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:44:55pm

re: #48 karmic_inquisitor

Zhe (Zombie notation for she/he)

Not sure I'm okay with that, it is awfully reminiscent of a certain butcher we all are aware of.

Did Zombie designate that one?

57 unclassifiable  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:45:13pm

re: #15 zombie

The conventions are over.

And in other news there are not enough carbon credits to cover the recent spike in CO2

58 Arbalest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:45:21pm

Not that I disbelieve polls, but the bottom line is now clear:

If you do not vote for McCain (and over the past few months, a few people have expressed reservations, talked about protest votes, etc.), and try to get everyone who is undecided or not completely committed to voting straight "D", then we will have 4 years of BHO and his clowns.

There are no other options. It is this simple now.

If you don't vote for McCain, then we all suffer.

59 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:45:24pm

On the whole issue of polling - much has been done this year to alter the polling models to reflect the "enthusiasm gap".

That gap is now gone. After the last week, enthusiasm is high among McCain/Palin supporters and they will be showing up.

And Rasmussen posted numbers today showing the party identification gap has closed from double digits to about 5 points.

McCain is now creating momentum around reform and restoring the brand. He will go with that message up to election day. Obama has a big problem. It may be over for him in as little as a month.

60 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:45:44pm

re: #53 ggt

I believe that sometime in the next sixty days Obama is going to have some sort of mini-meltdown/tantrum on the campaign trail.

The stress of a presidential election campaign is nothing for McCain, compared to what he's gone through.

61 musicman  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:46:12pm

Just asking....any commercial yet from the messiah as classy as the one McCain made last week?

62 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:46:24pm

re: #42 Birkenstock Cowboy

Long time, Birk. Where you been at?

63 Maximu§  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:46:46pm

I went to North Hollywood today and the Sheriff's looked scarier than the gang-bangers.

64 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:46:56pm

re: #56 CyanSnowHawk

Not sure I'm okay with that, it is awfully reminiscent of a certain butcher we all are aware of.

Did Zombie designate that one?

How about "Ze"?

65 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:47:46pm

re: #60 neocon hippie

Obama's tougher than that, he did come out Chicago politics. I do expect a lot of missteps though, with plenty of gaffes to boot.

66 Killer Tomato  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:48:24pm

re: #54 jorline

There's a scene in Gone with the Wind where a carpetbagger is talking to a group of newly freed slaves. He's promising them 40 acres and a mule because, "We're your friends. And you're going to vote like your friends vote, right?"
Nothing's changed in the Democrat party in 143 years.

67 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:48:55pm

re: #61 musicman

Just asking....any commercial yet from the messiah as classy as the one McCain made last week?


No but he did try to steal McCains thunder tonight by telling O'Reilly that he would be interviewed but the only day he had was...TODAY.

68 Dahveed  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:49:38pm

Apparently the Greens held their convention already. But Cynthia McKinney will be on Road to the White House on C-Span on Sunday night.

Now THAT'S entertainment.

69 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:49:39pm

re: #64 karmic_inquisitor

How about "Ze"?

Better.

Don't know why I am so sensitive to it. There's a Mexican food place near my house called Que Chevare, and I don't much care for that.

70 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:49:41pm

re: #65 CyanSnowHawk

Except that he never had to campaign hard before. In the primary campaign he was rewarded by HRC's missteps plus the bizarre rules for awarding delegates. McCain-Palin have come out swinging in a way that he probably hadn't anticipated.

71 Killer Tomato  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:50:37pm

re: #61 musicman

Just asking....any commercial yet from the messiah as classy as the one McCain made last week?

No. But he appeared on O'Reilly about an hour before McCain spoke. Totally classless.

72 musicman  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:50:39pm

re: #67 Typicalwhitey

No but he did try to steal McCains thunder tonight by telling O'Reilly that he would be interviewed but the only day he had was...TODAY.

Figures....No class at all.

73 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:51:04pm

re: #60 neocon hippie

I agree, in addition to the normal campagin stress, he has all his followers telling him what he as to be for them. And a few financiers telling him he has to win. Add to that the real thread of a whacko trying to 'cause him harm --I'd say he is under a bit of stress.

AND, at the end of the day, he has to face Michelle. She doesnt' seem like the type to bring him a pair of slippers and a martini.

74 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:52:02pm

re: #70 neocon hippie

Except that he never had to campaign hard before. In the primary campaign he was rewarded by HRC's missteps plus the bizarre rules for awarding delegates. McCain-Palin have come out swinging in a way that he probably hadn't anticipated.

I don't see him having a tantrum under pressure. I see him making mistakes under pressure. The debates should be fun.

75 NhaTrang72  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:52:07pm
#45 CyanSnowHawk 9/04/08 9:40:33 pm reply quote

Crapping-in-pantsCrats

Their 'bump' was a barely a fraternatity house parking lot speedbump

The Palin-McCain Bump will be Soon & Huge: the MSM will have an anti-tingle running up their scrawny legs.

Olbermann will be the first man to spit actual snake venom at the screen, with snake-spittle running down the corners of his mouth

Two months ago, things were tense
one month ago, things were looking up
now, and in the next few days, the tide has turned

76 unclassifiable  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:52:09pm

re: #67 Typicalwhitey

Well to one up McCain he'll probably fire/asked to resign/lose/ Biden and pick Hillary tomorrow.

None of this would be seen as wrong by the DNC.

77 Clemente  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:52:14pm

re: #57 unclassifiable

The conventions are over.

And in other news there are not enough carbon credits to cover the recent spike in CO2

Not to mention the methane cloud still dissipating across the Rockies.

78 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:52:36pm

Waiting for the state polls to be updated on Realclearpolitics. Can't make sense of the Electoral College projections until we get new polls in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Colorado and Ohio.

79 Birkenstock Cowboy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:53:00pm

re: #62 Noam Sayin'

Long time, Birk. Where you been at?

Been hangin roun, mostly underwater. Good to see you too.

80 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:53:02pm

re: #56 CyanSnowHawk

Not sure I'm okay with that, it is awfully reminiscent of a certain butcher we all are aware of.

Did Zombie designate that one?

Zhe the Butcher?

I've never heard of "zhe" the pronoun or "Zhe the Butcher," but they both seem fine and dandy to me

81 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:53:27pm

re: #48 karmic_inquisitor

Oooooooooh ! I love that one.
Plan to use it. Must remember karmic inquisitor invented it.

We have needed a good pronoun for zombie for a long time.
ZHE is better than S/HE because the Z recognizes that there is something eerie and bizarre here that transcends all categories.
After all, zombie is one of the dead undead, isn't zhe?

82 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:53:35pm

I didn't see any Greek columns onstage tonight.

Where were the Greek columns.....dammit?

83 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:53:57pm

re: #74 CyanSnowHawk

I'm more concerned that he'll have a "cardiac event" or a stroke. Suppossedly he still hasn't been able to be totally cigarette free.

I don't want him for president, but that doesn't mean I am not concerned for his well being.

84 unclassifiable  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:54:08pm

re: #75 NhaTrang72

Olbermann will be the first man to spit actual snake venom at the screen, with snake-spittle running down the corners of his mouth

Are you sure that is what that is? I mean this guy is so damn infatuated by the Dem nominee who knows?

85 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:55:23pm

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
Thursday, Sep 4, 2008

The two party conventions showcased vastly different directions for our country. Senator Obama and Senator Biden offered the new ideas and positive change America needs and deserves after eight years of failed Republican leadership. cried like little girls after Senator McCain and Governor Palin do nothanded him his ass.

After listening to all the speeches this week, I heard nothing that suggests the Republicans are ready to fix the economy for middle class families, provide quality affordable health care for all Americans, guarantee equal pay for equal work for women, restore our nation's leadership in a complex world or tackle the myriad of challenges our country faces. roll over for Obama and the Media So, to slightly amend my comments from Denver: NO WAY, NO HOW, NO McCAIN-PALIN.if the sonofabitch would have picked me, he wouldn't be in this mess.

Fixed it for ya

86 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:55:26pm

re: #75 NhaTrang72

Please use the reply button. Makes it much easier to refer back to comment you reference.

Now none of you lizards make any cracks about 'easier' and Klingon women.

87 Colonel Panik  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:55:44pm

re: #63 Maximu§

I went to North Hollywood today and the Sheriff's looked scarier than the gang-bangers.

If Obama is elected the Sheriffs will be the gang bangers.

88 Killer Tomato  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:56:03pm

You know, this race wouldn't even be close if we had an objective press instead of Pravda West.

89 victor_yugo  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:56:08pm

re: #27 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

This one is hilarous. Who knew of an animated GIF sing-along?

90 solomonpanting  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:56:17pm

Olbermann's scummy little brother threw his two cents into the fray.

91 WetCoast  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:56:31pm

re: #74 CyanSnowHawk

The next two months will be a real test of Barry's character. Assuming he has any.

92 jorline  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:56:32pm

re: #66 Killer Tomato

There's a scene in Gone with the Wind where a carpetbagger is talking to a group of newly freed slaves. He's promising them 40 acres and a mule because, "We're your friends. And you're going to vote like your friends vote, right?"
Nothing's changed in the Democrat party in 143 years.

ding...and what party pushed civil rights? How soon we forget.

93 musicman  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:56:42pm

re: #82 DesertSage

I didn't see any Greek columns onstage tonight.

Where were the Greek columns.....dammit?

Where have you been? Sarah told us last night the lights of the stadium had been turned out and the columns were returned back to the back lot. Keep up for crying out loud or you'll get left in the dust.

94 Colonel Panik  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:56:43pm

re: #87 Colonel Panik

Or should I say, the gang bangers will be the Sheriffs.

/we de future

95 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:57:09pm

Five anarchy people wandering around domntown St. Paul "looking kike they're up to no good."

Didn't they get the memo?

/THE CONVENTION IS OVER

96 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:57:18pm

re: #91 WetCoast

The next two months will be a real test of Barry's character. Assuming he has any.

He doesn't
He proved it tonight by going on Oreilly

97 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:58:52pm

re: #95 Killian Bundy

Bad typo you got there Killian.

98 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 9:59:06pm

I'm going to vote McCain for many reasons but the clincher is he has great taste in women:) Surrounds himself with Beautiful, upbeat and smart women. I just wish I had his wisdom.

99 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:00:01pm

re: #88 Killer Tomato

You know, this race wouldn't even be close if we had an objective press instead of Pravda West.

Yup.
As it is, Obama has a huge advantage.

sigh

100 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:00:20pm

re: #89 victor_yugo

This one is hilarous. Who knew of an animated GIF sing-along?

Boromir has the best ideas though

101 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:00:49pm

Talking about age and wisdom beating youth and enthusiasm.

The Royal Bank of Scotland just aired a great ad on Fox. Old man and young man on golf course. Old man says, "When I was a young man, I would hit the ball over that tree and right onto the green." Young man tries it and the tree blocks the ball. Old man says, "of course, when I was a young man, that tree was a lot shorter".

hahahahahahahahaha

good ad agency.

102 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:01:18pm

re: #95 Killian Bundy

Five anarchy people wandering around domntown St. Paul "looking [redacted] kind of like they're up to no good."

Didn't they get the memo?

/THE CONVENTION IS OVER

I'm assuming that is what you meant.

I hear anarchists are a little light in the organization department.

103 unclassifiable  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:01:19pm

re: #90 solomonpanting

Ted Rall

Deep crappiness that runs across multiple disciplines.

A spherical idiot.

No matter which way you look at him, he's still an idiot.

104 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:01:37pm
the red points are clear

/I'm pretty sure that means all the Delegate buses are safe at their destinations and that the anarchy people can suck it, if they're not already in jail

105 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:01:56pm

re: #17 RickD

Sarah Palin Nude

Dude! False advertising, man. Not cool.
/

106 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:02:44pm

re: #76 unclassifiable

Well to one up McCain he'll probably fire/asked to resign/lose/ Biden and pick Hillary tomorrow.

None of this would be seen as wrong by the DNC.

From what the other Lizards tell me, that's about as catastrophic a move as is possible.

107 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:02:48pm

re: #104 Killian Bundy

Nice final updates, dude. The anarchy blog is quiet.

108 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:02:49pm

To me , the most heartening news I've heard in a long time came on the gay "party music" radio station in SF today. It is the de facto station of the gay community aorund here. The DJs simply couldn't stop talking about Palin ALL DAY. And here's the incredible part: they weren't being negative! They were saying, in all sincerity, "She's cool," "She kicks ass," "She is just so hot in that dress," etc. Every now and then they'd mention her political opinions, which they disagree with, but that mostly fell by the wayside and was steamrolled by uncontrollable admiration.

I was astounded. It's usually the leftiest station outside of Pacifica Radio and NPR. But It seems like most of the staff is now ready to vote Palin-McCain. If that's happening here, in the center on moonbattism, I bet it's happening acorss the country.

109 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:02:58pm

re: #97 CyanSnowHawk

Bad typo you got there Killian.

/downtown?

110 NhaTrang72  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:02:58pm

re: #86 CyanSnowHawk

"Reply button" Damn! When you're old & stupid, you learn new sh+t every day. Thanks, masked man

Yesterday I learned that Anderson Mole Cooper ( who's not gay; not that there's anything wrong with that ) dislikes Republicans and yearns in his bosom for Obama. I was stunned..........

111 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:03:11pm

re: #93 musicman

Where have you been? Sarah told us last night the lights of the stadium had been turned out and the columns were returned back to the back lot. Keep up for crying out loud or you'll get left in the dust.

Oh....
:(

112 unclassifiable  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:03:13pm

re: #82 DesertSage

Republicans just get big honkin TV's.

If I was running the show we would watch the Redskins/Giants and have McCain's acceptance speech at halftime.

That's probably why I'm not running the show.

113 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:03:21pm

Joe Leiberman for SOS?

114 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:03:48pm

Greek Columns
:')

115 gop_patriot  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:04:03pm

re: #100 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I used to have some of those, they're hilarious! :) Thanks for posting them.

What's the originating url? I can't seem to get to the main page...

116 Colonel Panik  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:04:11pm

re: #101 ggt

The Royal Bank of Scotland

DRINK!

117 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:04:20pm

It was a great week, y'all. Good night.

Palin kicked total ass, last night.

118 protestshooter  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:04:22pm

re: #108 zombie

Interesting choice of station!

119 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:04:43pm

Greek columns are so cool :)

120 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:05:30pm

re: #115 gop_patriot

I used to have some of those, they're hilarious! :) Thanks for posting them.

What's the originating url? I can't seem to get to the main page...

search for LOTR animated gif

121 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:05:42pm

What about styrafoam greek columns?

122 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:06:23pm

re: #107 Noam Sayin'

Nice final updates, dude. The anarchy blog is quiet.

/I thought herding many of them literally on top of the Rice Street Event Command Post was a nice touch

123 Merrick Wanta Registratia  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:06:41pm

re: #93 musicman

Where have you been? Sarah told us last night the lights of the stadium had been turned out and the columns were returned back to the back lot. Keep up for crying out loud or you'll get left in the dust.

Where was the Convention cosmopolitan flourish provided by Britney Spear's set designer? Why couldn't McCain have spoken at a Sports Stadium? This Convention sucks! (sarc.)

Hell, I want free food! I want free food(and I am not in the Convention)! I am entitled! I am entitled!

::starts carrying protest inside basement:: Man this convention sucks, no words about how Mumia is a POW when it came to being captured by the pigs, the white people man. We need Mumia to sit next to Jimmy Carter next time.

(moonbat impression)

124 NY Nana  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:07:32pm

re: #113 ggt

Joe Leiberman for SOS?

John Bolton! Leiberman is a flip-flopper, and was the Court Jew for Albore. No thanks.

Bolton is superb, and would clean out State of the 'old gang'.

125 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:07:53pm

re: #118 protestshooter

Interesting choice of station!

I flip back and forth between that and the Asian stations.

Actually, I rarely listen to the radio at all -- I like to customize my listening experience! And I simply can't tolerate ads.

126 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:07:57pm

I didnt' get to watch the whole of the convention tonite. I'm watching Lindsay Graham recast now. I really like it.

127 leftover54  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:08:14pm

re: #32 Cognito

Tonight was just "Part 1". Oreilly is milking it by chopping it up into 3 segments.

128 unclassifiable  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:08:20pm

re: #108 zombie

Visions of transvestite lookalike Palins running rampant in San Francisco.

Barkeep! Mind Bleach please! Make it a double! Leave the bottle.

129 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:08:21pm

re: #125 zombie

I flip back and forth between that and the Asian stations.

Actually, I rarely listen to the radio at all -- I like to customize my listening experience! And I simply can't tolerate ads.

Have you tried Pandora at all?

130 Clemente  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:08:23pm

re: #82 DesertSage

I didn't see any Greek columns onstage tonight.

Where were the Greek columns.....dammit?

Very much hoping Charles can work a deal so we can commandeer those bits of history to dress up the buffet. Not that the exquisite fruit cup needs them, but they'd be a fun bit of historical garnish...

And a good place to hang the dartboard.

131 NY Nana  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:08:29pm

re: #117 Noam Sayin'

G'nite, Noam! Sweet dreams.

132 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:08:58pm

re: #124 NY Nana

I'd love John Bolton, but somehow, I don't think that will happen. Leiberman has the experience and is very pro-Isreal IIRC.

133 musicman  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:09:11pm

re: #123 Merrick Wanta Registratia

McCain don't need no stinkin' columns. His life speaks for itself.

134 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:09:18pm

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

What about styrafoam greek columns?

The Democrats are so lucky....their Obamesiah gets Greek columns.
McCain just gets to stand on a stage and talk directly to the people.....but no Greek columns?

Lefty always gets the elaborate stage sets :(

135 calcajun  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:09:32pm

McCain needs to keep hitting BHO not on his lack of experience, but his lack of depth and fecklessness. What kind of man graduates magna cum laude from Harvard Law after being the first African American editor of that law review, and the does nothing for three year? That is a person who has no depth and no gratitude to do something with the laurels he had earned.

136 Panhandler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:09:36pm

re: #125 zombie

I flip back and forth between that and the Asian stations.

Actually, I rarely listen to the radio at all -- I like to customize my listening experience! And I simply can't tolerate ads.


Dude! You're totally missing the Jon Boy and Billy Show! "Hey big man, let me hold a dollah"

137 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:09:55pm

re: #123 Merrick Wanta Registratia

Are You saying Hockey isn't a real sport? Thems fightin words.
/sarc Exel is our hockey arena

138 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:09:56pm

re: #129 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Have you tried Pandora at all?

Please don't mention Pandora around the Canadian folk. I'm pissed we can't get it here anymore. Pandora rawks.

139 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:10:17pm

re: #73 ggt Hey ggt!

AND, at the end of the day, he has to face Michelle. She doesnt' seem like the type to bring him a pair of slippers and a martini.


No wonder he looks grey - he's under stress 24/7 !
LOL!
Someone on the prior thread, near the end of it, said they were glad that Cindy McCain spoke because the commenter didn't know much about her, her good works and the like.
My response was: compare and contrast: Michelle Obama vs. Cindy McCain or for that matter Laura Bush. Which one do you think would do us proud as the First Lady?

140 protestshooter  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:10:34pm

re: #125 zombie

The iPod's changed my car habits, that's for sure.

Oh, and if you didn't know - the Oaks injunction was lifted.

141 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:10:40pm

re: #128 unclassifiable

Visions of transvestite lookalike Palins running rampant in San Francisco

That was my first thought as well! Upon hearing the DJs' enthusiasm, I immediately took out a pen and circled October 31 on my calendar, wrote "Castro" and "look out for Palin drag queens."

142 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:10:56pm

re: #108 zombie

So I've heard the words, "Palin is the next Reagan" She gonna help the GOP win California like Reagan did?

143 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:11:46pm

re: #108 zombie

:D Excellent!

144 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:12:02pm

re: #108 zombie

Which station is this? I don't know of the gay party station, although I could probably narrow it down to a few.

145 gop_patriot  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:12:04pm

re: #120 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Thanks. Found the main page, but I don't think the one I'm remembering is there. Oh well, I'll keep searching. :)

146 NY Nana  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:12:23pm

re: #96 Typicalwhitey

He doesn't
He proved it tonight by going on Oreilly

And O'Reilly also proved that he does not, by having him on Thursday night....and dragging it out for more nights.

147 jorline  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:12:34pm

Good night lizards.

148 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:12:43pm

re: #129 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Have you tried Pandora at all?

Yes, actually -- it was Sharmuta who posted the link here where I first found it. Quite excellent! I've customized a couple of my own stations, though I haven't devoted a lot of time to it. I now have a Pizzicato Five station and a Bubblegum-Garage-Psychedelia 1966-1971 station.

149 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:12:53pm

re: #60 neocon hippie

He is also going to lose his temper at least once with Biden in public. For all Biden tries to play sympathy on his wife's death in the traffic accident, the other vehicle was operated by a person who was not intoxicated and was not charged with any offense to my knowledge. Biden is playing "urban legend" and the family of the operator of the other vehicle are bullshit right now. I would love for them to throw a libel suit at Biden in the middle of the campaign. The guy invents himself out of whole cloth like he did when he plagiarized the Welsh politicians "life story" in 1968. Fraud, thy name is Biden. But what is going to sink the show is when they do a joint appearance and motor-mouth starts up.

150 Merrick Wanta Registratia  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:13:02pm

re: #125 zombie

I flip back and forth between that and the Asian stations.

Actually, I rarely listen to the radio at all -- I like to customize my listening experience! And I simply can't tolerate ads.

I know that this is Off Topic:

Ah, down here there seems to be a good amount more Latino stations(afterall it is Florida) than Asian.

Of Radio in general: I like XM but my father and I have a pretty big library of CDs, burned and unburned, and MP3 players to last us without radio.

Back to being On Topic:

That sounds like a very interesting station to listen to. Perhaps they can hand out Sarah Palin glasses(which are supposedly on the upsurge) whenever they have contests, or just hand them out for free whenever somebody shows up to the Radio Station itself.

151 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:13:17pm

re: #135 calcajun

McCain needs to keep hitting BHO not on his lack of experience, but his lack of depth and fecklessness. What kind of man graduates magna cum laude from Harvard Law after being the first African American editor of that law review, and the does nothing for three year? That is a person who has no depth and no gratitude to do something with the laurels he had earned.

Dammit....Obama did do something. He became a community organizer! He made Chicago a better place!

Well, kinda better...
[Link: cbs2chicago.com...]
I guess?

152 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:13:28pm

Train Song 1
and Train Song 2

/....you just thank the Lord..........

153 NhaTrang72  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:14:03pm

re: #84 unclassifiable

I would pay Real Money to watch Olbermann in the late hours of Election Night: Puking in trash baskets, grand mal seizures, fits of girly-rage, spittle spraying everywhere, arms flailing............

Remember election night 1994, when Tom Brokaw looked frozen like a deer in headlights while Dan Rather was hyperventilating and jittering around in his desk chair?

This will be much, much better and sweeter

154 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:14:18pm

re: #139 realwest

Hey you! somewhere in the last thread, I asked how you were doin' tonite. Did you answer?

One thing I noticed is that both Laura and Cindy seem to be truly "in love" with their husbands. Maybe Michelle has been married long enough to have "that look". I'm not saying that she doesn't truly love Barry, I just like the calm passion I see in both Laura and Cindy's eyes.

Being married to the same women for 20+ years and getting "that look" says a lot.

Cindy doesn't approach the White House with "stars" in her eyes. She would take it all in stride.

155 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:14:53pm

re: #140 protestshooter

The iPod's changed my car habits, that's for sure.

Oh, and if you didn't know - the Oaks injunction was lifted.

I saw that -- but now they say they're appealing to the state supreme court.

The drama continues.

Only four guys left, in one tree. I say UC should just start chopping and leave that one tree standing until they just give up.

156 unclassifiable  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:15:06pm

re: #141 zombie

OK Sometimes the crazy needs to be tried.

But here goes.

She needs to go talk to them.

157 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:15:13pm

re: #88 Killer Tomato
Hey KT! Ya know if we had even a reasonably fair MSM, then it would be no race at all. Barack Obama is by far and away the least qualified candidate to run for POTUS since 1900 - at least.
Hell the Republican VP candidate has more good and useful experience in goverance than he does. And where does Joe Biden's vaunted foreign policy credentials come from? He sat on a Senate Committee for about 20 years.
Whoopie.

158 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:15:21pm

re: #137 Metal Man

Are You saying Hockey isn't a real sport? Thems fightin words.
/sarc Exel is our hockey arena

I saw an article on a hockey blog today - they were (only slightly tongue in cheek) pleased about all the "hockey-player Levi Johnston" and "hockey hunk Levi" articles - hoping it would increase the popularity of the country's fourth most popular sport.

159 solergic  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:15:23pm

My browsers, both Firefox and Explorer, crash on the home page after loading for a few seconds. I had to click away from the home page to avoid it from happening. Anyone know what's going on with that?

160 Clemente  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:15:29pm

re: #142 cliffster

So I've heard the words, "Palin is the next Reagan" She gonna help the GOP win California like Reagan did?

I don't dare hope that this time 'round, but this time is ever just the warm-up to next time, isn't it?

161 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:15:43pm

I DVR'd O'Reilly tonight and I just started watching. B. Hussein feels that the Talley-Ban is the true enemy.

162 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:15:50pm

re: #148 zombie

Yes, actually -- it was Sharmuta who posted the link here where I first found it. Quite excellent! I've customized a couple of my own stations, though I haven't devoted a lot of time to it. I now have a Pizzicato Five station and a Bubblegum-Garage-Psychedelia 1966-1971 station.

Got Dio, Guns and Roses, Talking Heads, Jonathon Coulton and Wierd Al Stations

163 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:16:04pm

Hoopster sleepy...
*Clunk*
Night lizards

164 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:16:31pm

re: #142 cliffster

So I've heard the words, "Palin is the next Reagan" She gonna help the GOP win California like Reagan did?

No way. Reagan was a Californian -- that's the big difference. We'll vote for a Californian Republican, like Reagan or Arnold, but rarely for out-of-state Republicans. I'm afraid Obama's got this place locked up.

165 protestshooter  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:16:58pm

re: #155 zombie

As it stands they actually could have started cutting this evening but there wasn't much light left. It will be interesting to see if they start cutting at dawn and try to get as much clearing work as possible done in one day (or before any state supreme court emergency injunction, which seems unlikely or the appeals court would have granted a couple of day stay to give them time to file).

166 Clemente  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:17:28pm

re: #147 jorline

Good night lizards.

'nite, Jorline! Dream well, and bring back the best of those dreams!

167 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:19:02pm

re: #112 unclassifiable

If I was running the show we would watch the Redskins/Giants and have McCain's acceptance speech at halftime.

That's probably why I'm not running the show.

Heh.
BTW, Giants won, 16-7. GO GIANTS. Sorry, we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread!

168 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:19:05pm

re: #144 neocon hippie

Which station is this? I don't know of the gay party station, although I could probably narrow it down to a few.

I think it's called Energy 92.7. I turn off the ads and station IDs.

169 protestshooter  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:19:06pm

Oh, dear God, I just got the fourth request for money from Obama in the last two days.

170 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:19:23pm

re: #125 zombie

Interestingly enough.....(in light of what you just said)....a lefty surprised me this morning by defending Sarah Palin vigorously in a room full of Dems. He happens to be gay. Shut everyone up and made some think twice about the hatchet job the media is doing.

171 gop_patriot  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:19:25pm

re: #155 zombie

Dumpster Muffin is down from the tree? Or maybe she's been down for a while and I missed it; I was offline for a bit while my computer was having issues...

/was she ever in a tree? I might be confusing her with some other dirty female hippy moonbat...

172 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:19:27pm
Cause there’s a train coming into the station/blockquote>

And just what is that light at the end of the tunnel? A freight train-a-comin'?

173 Merrick Wanta Registratia  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:20:06pm

re: #137 Metal Man

Are You saying Hockey isn't a real sport? Thems fightin words.
/sarc Exel is our hockey arena

If I ever do assign myself to my most serious weakness in knowledge(besides Mathematics and intellectually evasive subjects) it is in sports. Unfortunately I would know more about Excel if it was a videogame or political arena or one where The Beatles played than if it was held for sports. Now that I know about that, it is ironic that a hockey mother whose voice sounded not so different from a native Minnesotan(Personally I loved her voice. It sounded commanding and charismatic) and who also is upfront on Energy Issues would speak at a hockey arena named the Excel Energy Center in Minnesota.

But yeah, back to what I originally flubbed on, in my garnish of sarcasm and overacting moonbattish streams of consciousness ranting, I meant to say that McCain should've had his acceptance speech on top of Mount. Olympus. Yeah, that is the ticket! (sarc. for the innocent)

174 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:20:36pm

re: #158 Catttt

I saw an article on a hockey blog today - they were (only slightly tongue in cheek) pleased about all the "hockey-player Levi Johnston" and "hockey hunk Levi" articles - hoping it would increase the popularity of the country's fourth most popular sport.

Hockey is a life style of us in the frozen north and its demise here is that they have moved it inside.

/ grumpy old fart that shoveled ice before playing:)

175 protestshooter  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:20:37pm

re: #171 gop_patriot

She's down. I have a shot of her one the ground if you're curious: [Link: www.protestshooter.com...]

176 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:20:41pm

re: #167 realwest

Heh.
BTW, Giants won, 16-7. GO GIANTS. Sorry, we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread!

The Giants are still winning! And Eli Manning is still a wus!

177 Panhandler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:21:12pm

re: #169 protestshooter

Oh, dear God, I just got the fourth request for money from Obama in the last two days.

Let's see, you wanted to get in on the VP text and the request for an email address and credit card# didn't give you a clue?

178 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:21:34pm

re: #134 DesertSage
Hey Sage!

Lefty always gets the elaborate stage sets :(

That's cause Lefty NEEDS them to cover any semblance of actual, you know, RECORD!

179 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:21:40pm

re: #156 unclassifiable

OK Sometimes the crazy needs to be tried.

But here goes.

She needs to go talk to them.

That would be brilliant. Tne Obama campaign would plotz.

180 protestshooter  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:22:14pm

re: #177 Panhandler

It's a useful source of information. As an example they just opened up a new Northern California office tonight - in guess where? Berkeley! I couldn't make the reception, though.

181 NhaTrang72  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:22:21pm

re: #157 realwest

Least qualified since:

William McKinley in '96 ( 1896 ) or Warren G harding in 1920

non-surprisingly, both of those were tools picked by political machines

Obama gives a better speech than either William or Warren, but they were both seasoned pols and modest men

182 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:23:26pm

re: #164 zombie

No way. Reagan was a Californian -- that's the big difference. We'll vote for a Californian Republican, like Reagan or Arnold, but rarely for out-of-state Republicans. I'm afraid Obama's got this place locked up.

And it's a damned friggin' shame, when you contemplate that most the state can identify with Ms. Alaskan Gov.; whether an OC soccer mom or a more cosmopolitan woman of political significance. Calif should be ripe for support for such a wonderful candidate. But the voices of the Calif people will not be heard.

183 unclassifiable  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:23:37pm

re: #179 zombie

OK That's two.

I even have the theme.

A leader has to be a leader for the whole nation.

And on that I will return to my regular programming.

Good night!

184 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:23:40pm

re: #147 jorline Goodnight jorline! Hope your aches and pains are lighter tomorrow!

185 Merrick Wanta Registratia  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:23:42pm

re: #174 Metal Man

Hockey is a life style of us in the frozen north and its demise here is that they have moved it inside.

/ grumpy old fart that shoveled ice before playing:)

Whether you know it or not, I actually used to really enjoy hockey and called it my second favorite sport(Soccer was my first) a long time ago. Unfortunately Skiing took soccer's place and hockey was way too fast for me.

Because of my disability I have very slow reflex/motor skills usually and it feels like a nightmare to actually run around in a suit and to start slinging pucks left and right watching out for Furious George or somebody to run roughshod over me. And this was field hockey BTW.

This was in Maryland, though I did see it become frozen a few times.

186 WetCoast  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:24:38pm

re: #161 cliffster

And he'll deal with them right after he invades 'Pok -ee- stan'.

187 Bubblehead II  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:25:14pm

Well since this IS an open thread. I am going to be in Vicksburg, MS for three weeks starting next Sunday, anybody have any good sites/resturants/ect that I should check out?

188 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:25:24pm

re: #167 realwest

btw, real, how's the mouth?

189 Egfrow  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:25:34pm

Apparently Nancy Wilson of Heart is a strong Obama supporter. She sicks laywers onto RNC/GOP with Cease & Desist letter on the use of "Barracuda"

190 SpartanWoman  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:26:09pm

Just an aside, I noticed a lot of imitation Sarah Palin hairdos today on the streets of NJ.

More than you could attribute to coincidence and in some lib bastions.

191 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:26:34pm

re: #173 Merrick Wanta Registratia

In the Lobby of the Excel there is a statue of Herb Brooks who coached the USA Olympic team that put the boot to the USSR team in 1980 where the USA chant was born.

Just for context, and no I wouldn't know any of these tidbits about any arena anywhere else.

192 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:26:56pm

re: #154 ggt
Hey ggt, yes I did answer you, but you - you fashion maven, had jumped to the latest thread! LOL!
I'm still very sore in the jaw bone but my "Crack Dental Team" says it's healing nicely and I should feel no more pain in another week or ten days!

BTW, Michelle approaches the First Lady position with
"payback" in her eyes - for all the slights she's suffered, real and imagined.

193 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:27:01pm

re: #162 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Got Dio, Guns and Roses, Talking Heads, Jonathon Coulton and Wierd Al Stations

I want to get a rock steady (Jamaica 1966-69) station, but the algorithm isn't quite geared for that specificity, at least yet. I think they just have too few songs to choose from in that category.

I also tried setting up a Jpop station, but that didn't work too well either. Too limited a playlist. That's why I had to settle for a Shibuya/P5 station instead.

They really need to beef up their non-U.S. playlists, and also expand the criteria for similar/rejected songs algorithms, which aren't perfect yet.

194 SpartanWoman  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:27:04pm

re: #177 Panhandler

Let's see, you wanted to get in on the VP text and the request for an email address and credit card# didn't give you a clue?

Check your statements very carefully

195 Panhandler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:27:05pm

re: #187 Bubblehead II

Do take a day to tour the battlefield Natl Park. It will give you an idea of how close and presonal war was back then.

196 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:27:10pm

re: #189 Egfrow

Apparently Nancy Wilson of Heart is a strong Obama supporter. She sicks laywers onto RNC/GOP with Cease & Desist letter on the use of "Barracuda"

To quote Queen Elizabeth from "Shakespere in Love," Too late, too late.

LOLOL!

197 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:27:17pm

re: #169 protestshooter

Oh, dear God, I just got the fourth request for money from Obama in the last two days.

This one?

Christie --

Why would the Republicans spend a whole night of their convention attacking ordinary people?

With the nation watching, the Republicans mocked, dismissed, and actually laughed out loud at Americans who engage in community service and organizing.

Our convention was different. We gave the stage to everyday Americans who hunger for change and stepped up to make phone calls, knock on doors, and raise money in small amounts in their communities.

You may have missed it, but we also showed the country a video with the faces and voices of those organizers, volunteers, and donors from every corner of the country.

Does he not get it?
They were laughing at HIM

198 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:27:19pm

re: #152 IslandLibertarian

Train Song 1
and Train Song 2

/....you just thank the Lord..........

Train Song 3

199 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:27:36pm

re: #165 protestshooter

As it stands they actually could have started cutting this evening but there wasn't much light left. It will be interesting to see if they start cutting at dawn and try to get as much clearing work as possible done in one day (or before any state supreme court emergency injunction, which seems unlikely or the appeals court would have granted a couple of day stay to give them time to file).

I want to hear those chainsaws at dawn!

200 Archimedes  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:28:07pm

re: #169 protestshooter

Oh, dear God, I just got the fourth request for money from Obama in the last two days.

That just means he's getting desperate. For pity's sake, give him something!

201 WetCoast  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:28:17pm

re: #189 Egfrow

Fine. We got all we needed out of that song. Next.

202 Colonel Panik  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:28:19pm

McCain's Vietnam story tonight gave me a little Vietnam era flashback of my own, to Tricky Dick's greatest speech:


"North Vietnam cannot defeat or humiliate the United States. Only Americans can do that."

....Richard M. Nixon

STAND UP SILENT MAJORITY!

203 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:28:28pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops
Good night Hoops!

204 gop_patriot  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:28:54pm

re: #175 protestshooter

Thanks for the update. Scary bunch of critters... ;)

/That bald chick looks like Brittney Spears when she shaved her head. LOL

205 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:29:01pm

re: #192 realwest


I'm still very sore in the jaw bone but my "Crack Dental Team" says it's healing nicely and I should feel no more pain in another week or ten days!

You are strong. More power and strength to you.

((((((((realwest)))))))

206 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:29:02pm

Amy Goodman

/Republicans are going to have hell to pay because the right wing Gestapo brown shirts gassed the [expletive deleted] out of her and beat her within an inch of her life

207 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:29:10pm

re: #190 SpartanWoman

Just an aside, I noticed a lot of imitation Sarah Palin hairdos today on the streets of NJ.

More than you could attribute to coincidence and in some lib bastions.

I get the impression that this is fairly common when interesting women get the national spotlight - that hairdos and style are immediately imitated. I remember hearing how women wanted their hair to look like that one lady from "Friends", for example.

Palin's got wicked style and I am all for the ladies imitating her. I really dig the beehive look.

208 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:29:22pm

re: #169 protestshooter

Oh, dear God, I just got the fourth request for money from Obama in the last two days.

If you give him $1, it costs him more money to accept it than not.

209 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:29:29pm

re: #169 protestshooter

Oh, dear God, I just got the fourth request for money from Obama in the last two days.

I've gotten four from Obama, one from Michelle, one from Joe Biden, and two from the Democratic Party. "GIVE! STOP ThE REPUBLICAN SMEAR MACHINE!"

210 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:30:23pm

re: #171 gop_patriot

Dumpster Muffin is down from the tree? Or maybe she's been down for a while and I missed it; I was offline for a bit while my computer was having issues...

/was she ever in a tree? I might be confusing her with some other dirty female hippy moonbat...

Yeah, she's down. Protestshooter has the details.

211 Merrick Wanta Registratia  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:31:25pm

re: #170 wolfie

Interestingly enough.....(in light of what you just said)....a lefty surprised me this morning by defending Sarah Palin vigorously in a room full of Dems. He happens to be gay. Shut everyone up and made some think twice about the hatchet job the media is doing.

I would be surprised that that was a guy and not a Lesbian. I also have had a few political surprises in my life but they don't usually happen with a political outsider trying to convince, and succeeding with some, those also that there are some merits of the inside. I think that some of the best, and I include Fenway on this, writings I have seen on here are anecdotes of Lefties acting bad/showing up Lefties, but also of surprising political conversions or interesting sea changes, because I love learning about people, and listening to stories about politics in the real world. Though I tend to avoid people also.

Maybe that is why I will major in Communications.

Yeah, I think we've got our own Rock Star now. Except not only does she rock, she also rolls, and can probably make a great King Crab roll too. I really enjoyed the speech yesterday and felt like I was listening to a reformer, and somebody with a keen political wit. I hope that she becomes our next President when the time comes.

212 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:31:29pm

re: #188 cliffster
Tooth's gone - socket and jaw bone are still sore though.
And Eli ain't no wuss! He was MVP of the Super Bowl - ya know the one we just had where the Giants beat - and defensively I mean beat - the vaunted and theretofore unbeated Patriots!

213 SpartanWoman  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:31:30pm

re: #209 zombie

I've gotten four from Obama, one from Michelle, one from Joe Biden, and two from the Democratic Party. "GIVE! STOP ThE REPUBLICAN SMEAR MACHINE!"

After all the dirt they've done to Palin, take the envelope, fill it with the contents you received and mail it back at their expense

214 NY Nana  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:32:24pm

re: #132 ggt

John Bolton is a true friend of Israel. Leiberman has flip-flopped from Demonrat to Indy to speaking at the Repiblican convention in favor of McCain. He became an indy when he lost the Demonrat slot in the US Senate election a few years ago. Any Jew that would work with the Billaries? Disgusting.

I am Jewish and a Republican, and am voting happily for McCain/Palin.

Got to go to sleep!

G'night, all! Sweet dreams.

215 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:32:33pm

re: #206 Killian Bundy

Amy Goodman

/Republicans are going to have hell to pay because the right wing Gestapo brown shirts gassed the [expletive deleted] out of her and beat her within an inch of her life


You know soap is cheap

216 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:33:30pm

re: #180 protestshooter

It's a useful source of information. As an example they just opened up a new Northern California office tonight - in guess where? Berkeley! I couldn't make the reception, though.

I was there. Fantastically crowded. Not worth reporting on, though -- nothing happened. Mostly there was a half-hour-long line for the free "soul food."

Pretty bad planning -- one in-and-out door, 400 excited Obama voters trying to squeeze though it into a tiny room for jambalaya. I fled.

217 realwest  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:34:23pm

Well y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta get some sleep NOW!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.


Goodnight, all!

218 Birkenstock Cowboy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:34:49pm

re: #190 SpartanWoman

Just an aside, I noticed a lot of imitation Sarah Palin hairdos today on the streets of NJ.

More than you could attribute to coincidence and in some lib bastions.

Probably just 'Blue Car Syndrome'

219 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:34:59pm

This movie is about a story very similar to John McCain's. It is a true story.
The story was later made in to a movie called Rescue Dawn.
It was a very touching movie for me to watch. The similar features were that both pilots were captured, tortured, and later forgave and made amends with their captors.

Check it out.

220 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:35:11pm

re: #206 Killian Bundy

Amy Goodman

/Republicans are going to have hell to pay because the right wing Gestapo brown shirts gassed the [expletive deleted] out of her and beat her within an inch of her life

Ever wonder if she feels self-conscious? You know that space between waking and sleeping when surprising thoughts creep in? I wonder if she realizes she's a paranoid fool, somewhere in those fleeting reflective moments when her mind is quiet and her subconscious is at work.

"I had this strange dream that the whole world thought I was an idiot. Doctor, can you help me?"

221 Panhandler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:35:42pm

re: #216 zombie

I was there. Fantastically crowded. Not worth reporting on, though -- nothing happened. Mostly there was a half-hour-long line for the free "soul food."

Pretty bad planning -- one in-and-out door, 400 excited Obama voters trying to squeeze though it into a tiny room for jambalaya. I fled.

That means you missed the sign on the inside of the door - "Exit penalty - $10."

222 Merrick Wanta Registratia  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:36:25pm

re: #191 Metal Man

In the Lobby of the Excel there is a statue of Herb Brooks who coached the USA Olympic team that put the boot to the USSR team in 1980 where the USA chant was born.

Just for context, and no I wouldn't know any of these tidbits about any arena anywhere else.

That might be very important as the delegates did drown out the protestors by chanting that(USA! USA!). It is also symbolic as AQ doesn't have a hockey team, but AQ and all assorted nutcases and terrorists around the world combined are the USSR of today. Thank goodness we are still doing our job even with mindless fools like Jodie Evans(one of Obama's prime donors).

I did watch Miracle, about that moment. It is a shame that Herb Brooks died before the movie came out. Perhaps with McCain's policy platform on the surge and the like the question that arises is "Do you believe in Miracles?" and I give that a Yes I can. Perhaps I should've written his speech along with him and Mark Salter.

223 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:36:32pm

re: #170 wolfie

Interestingly enough.....(in light of what you just said)....a lefty surprised me this morning by defending Sarah Palin vigorously in a room full of Dems. He happens to be gay. Shut everyone up and made some think twice about the hatchet job the media is doing.

I noted that Perez Hilton (not that I READ Perez or anything......) likes Sarah P. - even though he keeps pointing out he disagrees with many of her positions - he can't help raving over her:

There were a lot of curious Americans!

According to preliminary estimates, Sarah Palin's speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday night scored a higher rating than Hillary Clinton and 'in some cases' higher than Barack Obama.

Yup, more peeps watched the governor from Alaska than Hills!

The preliminary numbers show about 37 million households were tuned in to see the GOP's VP candidate speak.

If you missed her address, though, CLICK HERE to check it out!

Be warned: her speech is filled with many many factual inaccuracies.

Update: Wow!

The final numbers are in and….

Over 40 million people tuned in to watch Sarah Palin - that's almost 2 million more than watched Barack Obama!

You can see he's conflicted - he loves her, but he disagrees with her, but dammit, he loves her!

He also thinks Track is a hottie.

224 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:37:04pm

re: #212 realwest

Tooth's gone - socket and jaw bone are still sore though.
And Eli ain't no wuss! He was MVP of the Super Bowl - ya know the one we just had where the Giants beat - and defensively I mean beat - the vaunted and theretofore unbeated Patriots!

Hang tough, amigo. And yeah, I saw the Superbowl, and the one play where Eli wiggled out of a tackle to preserve the drive to get the score. I also saw the 5 times that Patriot cornerbacks dropped Eli passes (that would have change everything) that went straight into their hands! :^) Good luck to yall in 08.. this year Romo will beat you in the right game, not just in both games of the regular season..

225 protestshooter  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:37:16pm

re: #197 Typicalwhitey

I got one after that. Basically more McCain = Bush which is what they've been reduced to.

226 Colonel Panik  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:37:41pm
227 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:37:52pm

re: #198 DesertSage

#4

228 Bubblehead II  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:38:13pm

re: #195 Panhandler

Thanks, that is one site. Any others?

229 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:38:25pm

re: #224 cliffster

Hang tough, amigo. And yeah, I saw the Superbowl, and the one play where Eli wiggled out of a tackle to preserve the drive to get the score. I also saw the 5 times that Patriot cornerbacks dropped Eli passes (that would have change everything) that went straight into their hands! :^) Good luck to yall in 08.. this year Romo will beat you in the right game, not just in both games of the regular season..

That's why DBs are DBs and not WRs. :)

230 protestshooter  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:38:39pm

re: #216 zombie

Cool - good to know what happened anyway, even if you didn't get a report out of it.

231 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:39:59pm

I'm listening to the Ann Coulter interview. I love her, love her postings, love her interviews, but she is one cynical, sarcastic woman. In this one though, she is giddy! She's like a little girl squeaking with joy! It's amazing!re: #229 Badge of Kaffir Pride

That's why DBs are DBs and not WRs. :)

Two right feet and two left feet!

232 Adina in Judea  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:40:35pm

re: #209 zombie

"GIVE! STOP ThE REPUBLICAN SMEAR MACHINE!"

What they're really saying is: "GIVE! THE JERK AT THE TOP OF OUR TICKET IS SPENDING MONEY LIKE IT'S GOING OUT OF STYLE! DID WE REALLY NEED THOSE GREEK COLUMNS IN A HUGE FOOTBALL STADIUM?!?"

Seriously, I saw an analysis today about Obambi's spending style in this campaign and things are not going as well as the Dems are always claiming.

233 protestshooter  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:40:45pm

Well, goodnight everybody, maybe I'll get lucky and hear chainsaws tomorrow!

234 Panhandler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:40:48pm

re: #228 Bubblehead II

Thanks, that is one site. Any others?

Just drive south from Vicksburg towards Natchez on the old roads. Several mansion museums and Natchez itself is worth a day.

235 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:41:10pm

Here's AlJazeera's spin on Obama and O'Reilly

It's obvious who they're backing in the election.

236 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:41:51pm

re: #222 Merrick Wanta Registratia

With the chants and the venue it is surprising the McCain camp didn't link to the miracle on ice. But his pick of VP was genius so what do I know.

237 sngnsgt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:41:52pm

Since this is an open thread, I have a question for disabled persons out there looking for work. I live in Pennsylvania if that makes a difference.

I have Epilepsy and was recently placed on disability. Now, they tell me the only work I'm allowed to do is from home. I don't know if anyone here has ever tried work from home, but that's a joke. Take a look at this page from The ADA that says I'm allowed to work despite what my local office says. Just looking for opinions if anyone has the time to take a look. I'm sick of being broke all the time, and disability doesn't pay much. Thanks.

238 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:42:07pm

re: #170 wolfie

Interestingly enough.....(in light of what you just said)....a lefty surprised me this morning by defending Sarah Palin vigorously in a room full of Dems. He happens to be gay. Shut everyone up and made some think twice about the hatchet job the media is doing.

re: #223 Catttt

You can see he's conflicted - he loves her, but he disagrees with her, but dammit, he loves her!

He also thinks Track is a hottie.

That's it: The election is over. If the trendsetting gay vote just switched to Palin-McCain, then Obama has no chance.

239 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:42:55pm

re: #60 neocon hippie

I believe that sometime in the next sixty days Obama is going to have some sort of mini-meltdown/tantrum on the campaign trail.

The stress of a presidential election campaign is nothing for McCain, compared to what he's gone through.

Don't let wishing substitute for thinking. Obama's not going to melt down. He had a tough primary and he carried the day. He isn't going to shoot enough own-goals to put the Republicans over the top.

The election is being held against a backdrop of bad news, some of it manufactured by the media, but some of it real. This makes politics an uphill struggle for the incumbent party, no matter how bad the ideas of the other side may be.

240 Merrick Wanta Registratia  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:43:32pm

re: #189 Egfrow

Apparently Nancy Wilson of Heart is a strong Obama supporter. She sicks laywers onto RNC/GOP with Cease & Desist letter on the use of "Barracuda"

Ah, another one, another Musician who has succumbed to Obamalitis, the one hat wonder.

You know with all of these C and D letters and open disdain against the McCain campaign using any song from the modern era(Let's see, John Mellancamp possibly argued against this, Medal of Honor composer argued against parts of his score being used, Boston didn't like More Than a Feeling with another campaign, etc.), perhaps we should use songs from 300 years ago. Then again perhaps the estate of Beethoven, for example, like Ode to Joy will protest because Obama is so full of "hope and change". That is why I would really want to market myself in a few years and finally cut my teeth somewhere. I am a Right-Wing Singer-Songwriter with a lot of lyrics but only one person to write music with, and he like I is a procrastinator.

As for Nancy Wilson herself, running away with two draft dodgers to Canada and her sister shows me her political colors.

241 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:43:43pm

re: #227 IslandLibertarian

#4

#5

242 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:44:06pm

re: #223 Catttt

LOL !
Never in a million years would the Dems have dreamed that o-l-d honky McCain could make his ticket as exciting as the Obama one.

243 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:45:15pm

And a kinda Train Song, but a real fave...........

/when somebody plays "Purple Haze"

244 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:45:21pm

re: #224 cliffster

Die, Dallas, die !

245 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:47:34pm

Oooh, I just got ANOTHER one from Joe Biden 15 seconds ago!

246 Merrick Wanta Registratia  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:47:37pm

re: #236 Metal Man

With the chants and the venue it is surprising the McCain camp didn't link to the miracle on ice. But his pick of VP was genius so what do I know.

I have said it and I'll say it again, if Obama is so talented and intelligent why did he pick the dumbest VP choice? And if McCain is so senile and so crazy why did he pick the smartest VP choice? That is it, I believe that in the next few months Obama will lose the woman's vote because of his stupid political thinking.

Yet, it is funny, Obama linked his speech to MLK Jr. "I Have a Dream" Speech and McCain didn't link to Herb Brooks and the Miracle On Ice. Yet he had a kind of sunny optimism and the same kind of love for his country that Herb had for it also. So I really wouldn't complain.

247 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:48:10pm

re: #244 wolfie

Die, Dallas, die !

What are you, and Eagles fan? Congrats on being the number one fans in the NFL

248 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:48:18pm

re: #216 zombie

Holy moly. I would have expected it to be in downtown Berkeley. Which is no great shakes but the location is down in South Berkeley in a somewhat sketchy largely Black area not far from the Oakland line.

249 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:48:37pm

and yes, I refuse to link "Peace Train"

/unless he converts back to Sanity

250 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:48:54pm

Joe says:

After days of negative attacks -- and no mention of real proposals to fix our economy, get more people health care, or make America safer -- the party that brought you eight years of disastrous policies is asking for four more.

Well, not if we have anything to say about it.

Across this nation, people like you have joined this movement because you believe that we are better than the past eight years. And now that we are entering the final stretch, it's going to take all of us to bring the change we need.

Step up at this crucial moment and make a donation of $5 or more to change our country.

Can I send it in pennies?

251 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:49:14pm

Didn't see it but it may have been posted already Barry's train song.

252 ggt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:49:39pm

weet dreams all!

253 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:49:42pm

re: #239 lostlakehiker

Don't let wishing substitute for thinking. Obama's not going to melt down. He had a tough primary and he carried the day. He isn't going to shoot enough own-goals to put the Republicans over the top.

The election is being held against a backdrop of bad news, some of it manufactured by the media, but some of it real. This makes politics an uphill struggle for the incumbent party, no matter how bad the ideas of the other side may be.

Things are looking much better for McCain right now, but you're right.
Obama still has the edge.

254 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:49:56pm

Wow, 396 downdings for annefrance. Is that some sort of record?

255 Merrick Wanta Registratia  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:50:33pm

re: #245 zombie

Oooh, I just got ANOTHER one from Joe Biden 15 seconds ago!

Perhaps Joe needs some beer money? Or perhaps he wants to buy The Villages, or whatever that TV Show was called, on DVD. Heh, that would be funny.

Joe: I "hic" and Teddy "hic" salute the Kansas City Hawaiian Barack Osama. As I once said when I was a lawyer "four score and 7 years ago", it rang true as it rings now when I first originally said it. Y'all come back now ya hear!

256 Colonel Panik  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:50:40pm

re: #108 zombie

To me , the most heartening news I've heard in a long time came on the gay "party music" radio station in SF today. It is the de facto station of the gay community aorund here. The DJs simply couldn't stop talking about Palin ALL DAY. And here's the incredible part: they weren't being negative! They were saying, in all sincerity, "She's cool," "She kicks ass," "She is just so hot in that dress," etc.

I bet they fantasize about being dominated by her. The "furries" will want to get all dressed up as huskies for her dog sled.

CRACK THE WHIP SARAH! MUSH! MUSH!

LOL!

257 BGOH  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:51:35pm

Well Lizards, I have been interning in one of the McCain campaign's Victory Centers in Parma, Ohio, and boy did we have a big night tonight! We held a watch party for McCain's acceptance speech, and had a lot of volunteers making phone calls beforehand. We had close to 100 people crammed into our little storefront, to standing room only capacity, and people were absolutely fired up about this campaign. Ever since McCain announced Sarah Palin as his VP selection on Friday in Dayton (which I had the awesome opportunity to go to!), our phones have been ringing off the hook, and people have been stopping in at random to look for yard signs, bumper stickers, to donate money to the campaign, and to ask how they can get involved.

It has been truly inspiring to see what Sarah Palin and the excitement surrounding the RNC has done in terms of motivating people to see this ticket through to victory. People were so enthused tonight by Sen. McCain's speech that they stayed around until close to 1 AM just talking with one another, even on a work night (I just got home very recently). What have I taken away from all of this? McCain/Palin can, and will win in November, but it is going to take passionate people on the ground to make it happen.

Now, I'm not a paid staffer, I am just an individual who is excited about this ticket, so much so that I am working full time without pay. I don't need it. If we win in November, that will be all of the payment that I desire. At the risk of sounding a little lame, I hope that all of you will go out and find your local McCain office and make some phone calls, or knock on some doors. As much or as little as you can give, it truly does make a difference.

McCain/Palin '08!

258 Colonel Panik  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:51:45pm

re: #256 Colonel Panik

I lived in the Bay Area far too long....

259 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:51:46pm

re: #247 cliffster

What are you, and Eagles fan? Congrats on being the number one fans in the NFL

No, no, no!
Redskins !

sigh

It's not an easy life these days.

260 Merrick Wanta Registratia  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:52:20pm

re: #256 Colonel Panik

I bet they fantasize about being dominated by her. The "furries" will want to get all dressed up as huskies for her dog sled.

CRACK THE WHIP SARAH! MUSH! MUSH!

LOL!

That is indeed funny. Though there is a question, is there such a thing as a Goth Homosexual?

261 Bubblehead II  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:54:45pm

re: #234 Panhandler

Thanks for the info. If things go the way I hope they are going to go, I will have about 6 "free" days for sight seeing. I am sure the people that I will be working with will also be willing to show me around as well, but I do kinda like the idea of finding things on my own as well. Have a good night lizards and if any of you have something that is within reasonable driving distance from Vicksburg worth visiting, please leave a message. I will check again in later and do a search for your response.

Have a good night.

L8R

262 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:55:31pm

re: #253 wolfie

I agree he has the edge right now, but one that's pretty thin. And McCain now has the momentum.

263 JeremyR  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:55:56pm

re: #21 victor_yugo

What about the Libertarians, the Greens, the ACP, the Constitutionalists...

The ACP one was last week, how could you miss it?

264 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:56:33pm

Well, the Lefties in my town have been walking around incoherently mumbling and literally foaming at the mouth since last Friday.

This has been a really good week.

'nite all.

265 Adina in Judea  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:57:26pm

Sarah's personality is so appealing when she's speaking.

She's lovely, but it goes beyond her pleasant expression and nice looks. There's something so real about her.

The Israeli film maker who has 5 hours of raw footage taken 4 or 5 months ago has a gold mine on his hands. He was mesmerized by her and he says that America will be, too, when they get to know her better.

I hope that the McCain/Palin campaign can get some of this footage!

266 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:58:12pm

re: #262 neocon hippie

I think you're right.
I'm naturally gloomy.

267 thelongblogger  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:58:46pm

re: #254 cliffster

Where/Why is that?

268 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:59:10pm

re: #250 zombie

Joe says:


Can I send it in pennies?

Ok the last two months of the campaign.

Take the 80 mil (40 each month) and do nothing but campaign.
or..........
Continue to have to take time away from your campaign to fundraise and perhaps get 50 mil per month.

Of course that last idea could fail if people stop donating.

I will never understand his not taking the public money

269 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 10:59:36pm

re: #238 zombie

That's it: The election is over. If the trendsetting gay vote just switched to Palin-McCain, then Obama has no chance.

Given the appeal of Sarah P., it could happen if gay voters wake up and realize that Obama is pretty much the same on gay rights issues as the Republican candidates.

Given that there is no viable candidate for their core issue, I'm thinking some will go with the candidates their gut tells them to vote for - e.g., the ticket with Sarah P. on it. Yes!

270 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:00:17pm

re: #257 BGOH

I'm 46 and this is the first campaign I've ever invested money in. Always have been somewhat political but this is the first time I've been excited about the fact things might change in my party. Newt fired me up back in the day but I had no money and little time, gave what I could then but not since till now.

271 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:00:49pm

re: #245 zombie

Oooh, I just got ANOTHER one from Joe Biden 15 seconds ago!

I almost feel left out. I used to get tons of phone calls from Democrats, so I had my phone disconnected and went with a cell phone.

I did get a cool e-mail from Gov. Palin right after her speech was finished. :D

272 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:00:50pm

re: #267 thelongblogger

Where/Why is that?

Hmmm. She doesn't like Sarah Palin. Watch the Spy for down-ding 397 if you want specifics :)

273 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:01:50pm

foxnews.com
abcnews.com
cnn.com

McCain "Fight with me"

Nice.

274 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:03:09pm

re: #260 Merrick Wanta Registratia

Yes.

275 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:04:53pm

Obama Camp Turns to Clinton to Counter Palin

Wonder how much toe jam he had to suck up to get her to do this!

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA

276 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:06:31pm

re: #275 Typicalwhitey

Obama Camp Turns to Clinton to Counter Palin

Wonder how much toe jam he had to suck up to get her to do this!

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA

Wow, talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place for Clinton.

277 Panhandler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:07:21pm

Donation to Mccain/Palin, bigger donation to RNC - Got my button, time to hit the local headquarters and find a mission!

278 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:07:33pm
Advisers to Mrs. Clinton said that she stood ready to help the Obama-Biden ticket, but they urged the campaign not to overestimate the impact Mrs. Clinton could have, noting that she had other commitments this fall, like campaigning and raising money for Senate candidates.

....shoulda turned over that email list barry..............

279 BGOH  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:08:20pm

re: #270 Metal Man

That's great to hear, Metal Man. I'm only 27, and this is the first campaign that I have ever worked on myself. I've always enjoyed politics, but I've been in positions in election years that precluded me from participating in elections. And, quite frankly, I'm having an absolute blast. I love working directly with people, even if I disagree with them, and I've found out quickly that this is basically all that politics is about.

I've met so many people who have told me that they are excited about McCain's candidacy, but tell me that they either don't have the time to volunteer, or that they don't think they would be able to make a difference. I just wish all of these people could understand how vitally important every phone call is, or every door that is knocked on.

That said, though, man am I exhausted. This is a lot of work, but boy is it fun!

280 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:08:20pm

re: #277 Panhandler

Donation to Mccain/Palin, bigger donation to RNC - Got my button, time to hit the local headquarters and find a mission!

My sister and I will be doing the same tomorrow.

281 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:09:52pm

re: #275 Typicalwhitey

Obama Camp Turns to Clinton to Counter Palin

Wonder how much toe jam he had to suck up to get her to do this!

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA

Did none of the Obama camp watch the RNC? If political women counted the Republicans could make a kickass commercial with the ones I saw at the convention that would put Hillary to shame.

282 Balian1193  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:09:54pm

I can't blame gay men liking Sarah Palin. Out of the 4 candidates, she is probably more manly than all of them save McCain.

283 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:10:38pm

re: #278 Typicalwhitey


they urged the campaign not to overestimate the impact Mrs. Clinton could have, noting that she had other commitments this fall

Other commitments, like washing her hair, doing the laundry, trimming her toenails...

284 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:10:53pm

re: #248 neocon hippie

Holy moly. I would have expected it to be in downtown Berkeley. Which is no great shakes but the location is down in South Berkeley in a somewhat sketchy largely Black area not far from the Oakland line.

Yeah, right near the Oakland border, on Adeline. Wouldn't want to be there at night, nosireee.

285 hazzyday  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:11:59pm

I'm looking over these leftist blogs and there was one saying her vision is 20/20 and she uses her glasses to manipulate people. kookiness. Is there a website out there that is a mythbuster about the lies about Sarah Palin? I've seen parts here and there, some fans sites, but haven't come across any site that knocks the myths down.

286 wolfie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:12:21pm

re: #283 cliffster

LOL
On that hilarious note, I will now go to sleep w/ a smile!
Goodnight all!

287 Panhandler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:12:31pm

re: #280 Typicalwhitey

Don't forget to stop by and thank your nephew for us, and let him know who's going to win this one.

288 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:12:35pm

re: #269 Catttt

Given the appeal of Sarah P., it could happen if gay voters wake up and realize that Obama is pretty much the same on gay rights issues as the Republican candidates.

Given that there is no viable candidate for their core issue, I'm thinking some will go with the candidates their gut tells them to vote for - e.g., the ticket with Sarah P. on it. Yes!

Obama does not support gay marriage, but he is in favor of civil unions, including access to benefits for domestic partners. Palin is opposed to those things, so I don't think too many gays are going to be attracted to her side.

289 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:13:47pm

re: #288 JustMyView

Obama does not support gay marriage, but he is in favor of civil unions, including access to benefits for domestic partners. Palin is opposed to those things, so I don't think too many gays are going to be attracted to her side.

Are you sure about that?

290 BGOH  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:13:58pm

re: #277 Panhandler

Donation to Mccain/Palin, bigger donation to RNC - Got my button, time to hit the local headquarters and find a mission!

Good for you panhandler! I will tell you and others around her the same thing that I have had to tell a lot of the volunteers that have come in to our office to help out: No matter how inconsequential it may seem while you are doing it, phone calls and door to door canvassing are the most important things that campaigns do. It is how we connect directly with voters.

Here in Ohio, Gerald Ford lost to Jimmy Carter in 1976 by an average of ONE vote per precinct. Conversely, George Bush defeated John Kerry in 2004 by an average of ONE vote per precinct. What made the difference in 2004 for Bush was the ground game: Bush '04 had 80,000 volunteers all over Ohio making phone calls, doing lit drops, and knocking on doors, and the margin of victory was still that thin. The moral of this story is that, yes, even the simplest of tasks does make a difference!

291 Adina in Judea  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:16:02pm

re: #288 JustMyView

Obama does not support gay marriage, but he is in favor of civil unions, including access to benefits for domestic partners. Palin is opposed to those things, so I don't think too many gays are going to be attracted to her side.

Sarah Palin is against gay marriage, but she did veto a bill in Alaska that would have stopped gays from having access to benefits for domestic partners.

McCain, Palin and Obama agree on this one issue.

292 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:16:59pm

re: #279 BGOH
Thank you for your service.

I let them put a yard sign for Bush in my yard last election (I lived on a busy street with many Kerry signs) the sign was stolen before I got home from work.

293 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:17:21pm

re: #287 Panhandler

I shall and thank you.

294 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:17:47pm

re: #288 JustMyView

Obama does not support gay marriage, but he is in favor of civil unions, including access to benefits for domestic partners. Palin is opposed to those things, so I don't think too many gays are going to be attracted to her side.

She vetoed a bill that would have banned domestic partner benefits in Alaska, so your talking point is bull.

295 Adina in Judea  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:19:25pm

Correction for my #291 Post:

Does Obama believe in "civil unions" (as in civil marriages for gays?)

Obviously, McCain and Palin do not agree with any sort of union.

They only support domestic partner benefits outside a formal union.

296 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:19:27pm

I was listening to the BBC earlier and one of their talking heads used the same good cop/bad cop comparison about the Palin/McCain speeches I used earlier- that gave me a chuckle.

297 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:20:35pm

re: #294 Sharmuta

She vetoed a bill that would have banned domestic partner benefits in Alaska, so your talking point is bull.

It's an understandable assumption to make, but that's the problem - conservatives get typecast and then it's easy to spread misinformation based on that typecast.

298 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:20:41pm

re: #289 cliffster

Are you sure about that?

Yes, here is an excerpt from a candidate questionnaire that she completed when she was running for governor.

10. Do you support the Alaska Supreme Court’s ruling that spousal benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples? Why or why not?

No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens as defined in our constitution.

There has been some confusion, because, due to constitutional requirements, she was forced to act against her own views, but she is personally opposed to providing these benefits.

Summary: The Associated Press reported that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin "opposes gay marriage -- constitutionally banned in Alaska before her time -- but exercised a veto that essentially granted benefits to gay state employees and their partners." However, the AP did not note that Palin stated that she vetoed the bill because the Alaska attorney general had advised her that it was unconstitutional, not because she believed same-sex partners of public employees should receive benefits.

The source here is Media Matters, which you may not like, but there are many other sources online. Am posting this one because it provides a very detailed explanation.

299 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:20:47pm

re: #290 BGOH

Good for you panhandler! I will tell you and others around her the same thing that I have had to tell a lot of the volunteers that have come in to our office to help out: No matter how inconsequential it may seem while you are doing it, phone calls and door to door canvassing are the most important things that campaigns do. It is how we connect directly with voters.

Here in Ohio, Gerald Ford lost to Jimmy Carter in 1976 by an average of ONE vote per precinct. Conversely, George Bush defeated John Kerry in 2004 by an average of ONE vote per precinct. What made the difference in 2004 for Bush was the ground game: Bush '04 had 80,000 volunteers all over Ohio making phone calls, doing lit drops, and knocking on doors, and the margin of victory was still that thin. The moral of this story is that, yes, even the simplest of tasks does make a difference!

Indeed- I hope some here at LGF will be motivated enough to help out.

300 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:21:24pm

re: #295 Adina in Judea

Link?

301 Adina in Judea  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:22:19pm

re: #298 JustMyView

There has been some confusion, because, due to constitutional requirements, she was forced to act against her own views, but she is personally opposed to providing these benefits.

Thanks for the correction on this.

302 zombie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:23:07pm

re: #257 BGOH

At the risk of sounding a little lame, I hope that all of you will go out and find your local McCain office and make some phone calls, or knock on some doors. As much or as little as you can give, it truly does make a difference.

re: #290 BGOH

Here in Ohio, Gerald Ford lost to Jimmy Carter in 1976 by an average of ONE vote per precinct. Conversely, George Bush defeated John Kerry in 2004 by an average of ONE vote per precinct. What made the difference in 2004 for Bush was the ground game: Bush '04 had 80,000 volunteers all over Ohio making phone calls, doing lit drops, and knocking on doors, and the margin of victory was still that thin. The moral of this story is that, yes, even the simplest of tasks does make a difference!

One thing you shoould always remember: you are in one of the rarest places in the country, where the left/right sentiments are evenly balanced. Almost everywhere else, one side or the other had a clear majority. You ask people to join their local McCain office; but as far as I know, there is no local McCain office where I live. My district will go 95% for Obama at least. I have never seen a single McCain sign in anyone's yard.

303 BGOH  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:23:24pm

re: #292 Metal Man

re: #299 Sharmuta

Me too. I feel like a total tool sometimes doing it, but I really think we need to keep reminding our fellow Lizards of the need to get involved as much as possible. This truly is a defining election, unlike any that I have experienced in my short lifetime.

304 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:23:26pm

re: #298 JustMyView

The source here is Media Matters, which you may not like, but there are many other sources online. Am posting this one because it provides a very detailed explanation.

So she may oppose it personally, but she makes opposite decisions based on the Constitution(s). That sounds like an executive I'd like to have.

305 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:23:40pm

re: #298 JustMyView

Is there a problem with Governor Palin supporting the state Constitution despite her own personal views? Or would you rather she'd followed through and wasted tax payer money in court defending a law that would have been overturned? I think it shows the type of quality were looking for in our leaders to uphold the Constitution.

306 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:24:01pm

re: #294 Sharmuta

She vetoed a bill that would have banned domestic partner benefits in Alaska, so your talking point is bull.

re: #291 Adina in Judea

Sarah Palin is against gay marriage, but she did veto a bill in Alaska that would have stopped gays from having access to benefits for domestic partners.

See my #289. She vetoed that law to comply w/ constitutional requirements, not because it reflected her views.

307 Adina in Judea  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:24:35pm

re: #304 cliffster

So she may oppose it personally, but she makes opposite decisions based on the Constitution(s). That sounds like an executive I'd like to have.

Absolutely!

308 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:24:40pm

re: #301 Adina in Judea

Thanks for the correction on this.

You're very welcome!

309 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:25:44pm

I saw one McCain sign in an adjoining city but otherwise it's all Obama. However, not that many residences overall have the sign. However, there is a McCain campaign office in just as liberal Marin County, amazingly enough:

[Link: www.marinformccain.org...]

310 Panhandler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:25:48pm

re: #302 zombie

One thing you shoould always remember: you are in one of the rarest places in the country, where the left/right sentiments are evenly balanced. Almost everywhere else, one side or the other had a clear majority. You ask people to join their local McCain office; but as far as I know, there is no local McCain office where I live. My district will go 95% for Obama at least. I have never seen a single McCain sign in anyone's yard.

I was touring around northern Cal in the fall of 04 and I could tell when I was getting within 60 miles of S F, the Bush signs started to thin out and the Kerry signs started to appear.

311 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:26:35pm

re: #303 BGOH

re: #299 Sharmuta

Me too. I feel like a total tool sometimes doing it, but I really think we need to keep reminding our fellow Lizards of the need to get involved as much as possible. This truly is a defining election, unlike any that I have experienced in my short lifetime.

I've door knocked, I've phone banked- it's not glamorous, but it does make a difference.

312 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:06pm

re: #305 Sharmuta

Is there a problem with Governor Palin supporting the state Constitution despite her own personal views? Or would you rather she'd followed through and wasted tax payer money in court defending a law that would have been overturned? I think it shows the type of quality were looking for in our leaders to uphold the Constitution.

No, no problem. I was responding to the idea that she would be attractive as a candidate to gays because of her ostensible support for policies such as benefits for same-sex partners.

313 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:19pm

re: #303 BGOH

re: #299 Sharmuta

Me too. I feel like a total tool sometimes doing it, but I really think we need to keep reminding our fellow Lizards of the need to get involved as much as possible. This truly is a defining election, unlike any that I have experienced in my short lifetime.

Never let "feeling like a tool" stop you from doing the right thing, or advancing causes you believe in. Feeling like a tool is essentially feeling peer pressure, which lasts for a few minutes. Doing the right thing lasts for the rest of your life.

314 BGOH  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:27pm

re: #302 zombie

Oh, I absolutely do understand that. And, I don't know what state you live in, but if you are in a place like Chicago, for instance, where you are surrounded by 95% Democrats, but are in a state where the balance isn't nearly as concentrated as it is in your neighborhood, even turning one or two votes can and will make a difference.

And with that, I am totally drained, and it is time to limp into bed. I doubt I'm making much sense anymore... lol

G'Night Lizards. May the morning find you well.

315 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:27:35pm

re: #306 JustMyView

See my #289. She vetoed that law to comply w/ constitutional requirements, not because it reflected her views.

So. What?!

She upheld the law as she should have. Why is this a problem for you?

316 soccerdad  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:30:02pm

re: #302 zombie

One thing you shoould always remember: you are in one of the rarest places in the country, where the left/right sentiments are evenly balanced. Almost everywhere else, one side or the other had a clear majority. You ask people to join their local McCain office; but as far as I know, there is no local McCain office where I live. My district will go 95% for Obama at least. I have never seen a single McCain sign in anyone's yard.

Yet you continue to fight the good fight. Good on ya Zombie! We need people like you who will zealously, honestly bring the left's hypocrisy and idiocy to the masses. I thank you for your service.

317 BGOH  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:31:06pm

re: #313 cliffster

Never let "feeling like a tool" stop you from doing the right thing, or advancing causes you believe in. Feeling like a tool is essentially feeling peer pressure, which lasts for a few minutes. Doing the right thing lasts for the rest of your life.

It certainly hasn't stopped me yet! HA!

I worry more about sounding like some sort of robotic, machine booster (and the effectiveness of the message) than I do about what others think of me. If people disagree with me or think I'm weird, then fine. I disagree with myself and think I'm weird all the time!

And now I'm really going to bed. But I can't stop watching the convention coverage. I think I may have a problem...

318 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:32:20pm

re: #288 JustMyView

Obama does not support gay marriage, but he is in favor of civil unions, including access to benefits for domestic partners. Palin is opposed to those things, so I don't think too many gays are going to be attracted to her side.

That is not strictly true. Sarah Palin, one month into her term, vetoed a bill that would have blocked gays and lesbians from health and other benefits provided to domestic partners of state workers. She in all honesty stated she was against the benefits, but that the constitution of the state clearly showed that the issue of blocking the rights was unconstitutional, so she vetoed the bill. She was honest about her belief, and she did her duty.

Obama and Palin are both against gay marriage. The issue of marriage and civil unions is really an opinion thing for these candidates anyway. None of them support a Constitutional amendment, so they are paying lip service when they say they are for or against civil unions.

Palin actually took action that protected gay rights for an entire state's domestic partners of state workers. Barry is for stuff, and he votes "present."

319 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:33:05pm

I obviously honed my answer too slowly. Y'all are totally ahead of me. :D

320 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:33:50pm

re: #319 Catttt

I obviously honed my answer too slowly. Y'all are totally ahead of me. :D

No- you did great.

321 Adina in Judea  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:33:54pm

Rush Limbaugh has an interesting quote from Jonathan Alter about his plans to try to get the MSM to lean on Sarah Palin:

"I'd imagine that Palin will dodge press conferences in favor of interviews with people like Sean Hannity, Larry King and Ellen DeGeneres. Then, when the media complain that she is being kept away, the McCain campaign will cite the half dozen or so interviews she has granted as proof that the campaign press is just bellyaching. Brief press 'avails' on the plane will be useless, unless reporters ask open-ended queries designed to elicit proof of real knowledge. That should get Palin through the next three weeks. By the end of the month, the McCain camp can say she has to go to ground to prepare for [her] debate, where expectations will be so low for Palin that she will likely emerge intact.

"It will be up to the press and public to raise enough of a stink about this, that Palin is forced to submit to real interviews with real questions that show whether her real-life experience is any preparation for assuming high office. In that sense, the Palin nomination is as much of a test of us as it is of her."

The press underestimates Sarah Palin even after seeing her speak.

I think she will welcome tough interviews and charm these people out of their socks (entirely against their wills.)

The MSM doesn't understand what is happening.

Governor Palin is an inspired and brilliant choice for the Republican Party but the MSM can only see her in the limited and shallow terms that they use themselves when they look at women and politics.

322 Birkenstock Cowboy  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:34:27pm

I saw a Vets For McCain sticker on a car up here in the North Bay.

It was unusual enough that I marked it.

I hope to be seeing more of them in the next several weeks.

323 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:34:39pm

re: #315 Sharmuta

So. What?!

She upheld the law as she should have. Why is this a problem for you?

As I said, it's not a problem for me. I was responding to Cattt's lighthearted suggestion that gays might be attracted to the Palin candidacy because there are no significant policy differences between her views on issues of concern to gays and Obama's views. My point was that there was a significant difference and that, barring the constitutional requirement, she wouldn't have vetoed the benefits bill. Presumably, if one is choosing between candidates, one would prefer a candidate that shares your values and concerns, not just a candidate who will act in your favor when forced to do so.

324 Neo_  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:35:13pm

McCain and Obama go ice fishing. And for days on end, McCain comes back with fish and Obama none. Finally Harry Reid tells Obama that McCain is cheating so dont fish, just follow McCain around and find out how. Obama then reports back that he has caught McCain cutting a hole in the ice!

325 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:35:47pm

re: #319 Catttt

The honed response was worth the wait IMHO.

326 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:37:42pm

re: #302 zombie

So here in Texas, there's not much question which way the state is going to go, so therefore not much reason to do much signing up for the McCain cause here. So what do we do to help?

327 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:38:41pm

re: #318 Catttt

re: #288 JustMyView

Obama and Palin are both against gay marriage. The issue of marriage and civil unions is really an opinion thing for these candidates anyway. None of them support a Constitutional amendment, so they are paying lip service when they say they are for or against civil unions.

Well, everybody is "paying lip service" until confronted w/ a bill. To my knowledge, Obama hasn't been asked to vote on this issue, although I could be wrong about this.

He has said that he would not support action to overturn the gay marriage law that was recently passed in California.

328 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:39:15pm

re: #326 cliffster

So here in Texas, there's not much question which way the state is going to go, so therefore not much reason to do much signing up for the McCain cause here. So what do we do to help?

Send money to the RNC. Do phonebanking to other states.

329 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:40:19pm

re: #323 JustMyView

I suppose if you're looking to be pandered to, then the gay community will probably vote for democrats like they normally do, but if your looking for leaders who will do the right by the Constitution even when they might not agree with it, then Sarah might be a good alternative.

330 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:41:12pm

re: #329 Sharmuta

Er- do the right thing by the Constitution.

331 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:42:04pm

re: #327 JustMyView

Well, everybody is "paying lip service" until confronted w/ a bill. To my knowledge, Obama hasn't been asked to vote on this issue, although I could be wrong about this.

Or maybe he just voted "present".

332 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:42:50pm

re: #323 JustMyView

As I said, it's not a problem for me. I was responding to Cattt's lighthearted suggestion that gays might be attracted to the Palin candidacy because there are no significant policy differences between her views on issues of concern to gays and Obama's views. My point was that there was a significant difference and that, barring the constitutional requirement, she wouldn't have vetoed the benefits bill. Presumably, if one is choosing between candidates, one would prefer a candidate that shares your values and concerns, not just a candidate who will act in your favor when forced to do so.

Actually, I think she'd be seen as doing the right thing, and that would see her gain support. People, gay or otherwise, don't generally overanalyze it when people stand up for them.

333 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:42:57pm

re: #321 Adina in Judea

I think she will welcome tough interviews and charm these people out of their socks (entirely against their wills.)

I hope you are right about this. She could do a lot to answer her critics by taking on a wide range of questions and questioners.

334 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:43:17pm

re: #323 JustMyView

As I said, it's not a problem for me. I was responding to Cattt's lighthearted suggestion that gays might be attracted to the Palin candidacy because there are no significant policy differences between her views on issues of concern to gays and Obama's views. My point was that there was a significant difference and that, barring the constitutional requirement, she wouldn't have vetoed the benefits bill. Presumably, if one is choosing between candidates, one would prefer a candidate that shares your values and concerns, not just a candidate who will act in your favor when forced to do so.

See, you are being logical. This is not a logical liking. There is something about Sarah Palin that appeals to people, including a lot of gays. As I mentioned, for example, Perez is conflicted. He doesn't agree with her, but he is really enthusiastic about her. That kind of enthusiasm, given the cold - or cooling off - appeal of the empty ssuit that is Barry - and the total blank that is his running mate - will garner votes for Mac-Cuda. Trust me on this.

I think one really appealing thing is that she took a lot of flak, didn't blink once, and came out guns blazing. I know people who still are in the closet, even in this day and age. You never see their sig other's pic on their desk. There is still a LOT of incoming flak in the world, and seeing a survivor with teeth is a kick.

Also, and I know this is shallow, but she and her family are gorgeous. How can one not notice this?

335 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:45:16pm

re: #332 cliffster

Actually, I think she'd be seen as doing the right thing, and that would see her gain support. People, gay or otherwise, don't generally overanalyze it when people stand up for them.

I disagree. The gay community is pretty politicized. There's variation, of course, but these issues are central for most gay voters.

336 Panhandler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:46:00pm

PWND! A former Romney campaign aid on the Dems and Palin:
"They're like a lion tiptoing around a turtle - they don't know what to do with it."

337 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:46:53pm

re: #334 Catttt

I think you hit the nail on the head here - she suffered through all the ridiculous attacks without whining once, or playing the victim. Then she said her bit. And she was heard.

338 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:46:56pm

re: #327 JustMyView


Well, everybody is "paying lip service" until confronted w/ a bill. To my knowledge, Obama hasn't been asked to vote on this issue, although I could be wrong about this.

He has said that he would not support action to overturn the gay marriage law that was recently passed in California.

This is one of the things I really despise Barry for. He is being disingenuous. He CAN'T overturn the gay marriage law in the state of Cali. - it is a state's rights issue. No federal office holder would say anything else, because to overturn the law they would have to pass a constitutional amendment. ALL of the candidates are against such an amendment. ALL of the candidates have repeatedly said that this is a states rights issue.

339 Metal Man  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:48:16pm

re: #334 Catttt

They may see the unfair hurt put on them by the world being placed on her by the MSM and see her as in their position.

340 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:49:37pm

re: #335 JustMyView

I disagree. The gay community is pretty politicized. There's variation, of course, but these issues are central for most gay voters.

If a gay person is looking for an excuse to stick to the straight-democrat vote they usually make, then yeah, you're right. But I do agree that Palin changes the dialog in that demographic. I say this, having two brothers that are gay and I've argued politics well into many wee hours of many morning with them.

341 Panhandler  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:50:28pm

Dang, that didn't take long.
Cease and Desist on "Barracuda"

342 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:50:55pm

re: #338 Catttt

This is one of the things I really despise Barry for. He is being disingenuous. He CAN'T overturn the gay marriage law in the state of Cali. - it is a state's rights issue. No federal office holder would say anything else, because to overturn the law they would have to pass a constitutional amendment. ALL of the candidates are against such an amendment. ALL of the candidates have repeatedly said that this is a states rights issue.

Oddly enough, I don't think he's being disengenuous.
I don't think he's aware that's the way it works.
He's demonstrated that on a few other issues.

In other words, the Constitutional scholar is basically clueless about the Constitution.

343 Colonel Panik  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:51:10pm

re: #302 zombie

One thing you shoould always remember: you are in one of the rarest places in the country, where the left/right sentiments are evenly balanced. Almost everywhere else, one side or the other had a clear majority. You ask people to join their local McCain office; but as far as I know, there is no local McCain office where I live. My district will go 95% for Obama at least. I have never seen a single McCain sign in anyone's yard.

Zombie...here are the McCain Palin Victory Offices nearest occupied Berkeley:

Alameda – Pleasanton Victory Office
4637 Chabot Drive, Suite 102
Pleasanton, CA 94588
(571) 438-2465

Alameda – San Leandro Victory Office
1039 MacArthur Boulevard
San Leandro, CA 94577
(510) 638-3414

Contra Costa - Walnut Creek Victory Office
800 S. Broadway, Ste 102
Walnut Creek, CA 94596
(925) 930-9551

Marin - San Rafael Victory Office
888 4th St
San Rafael, CA 94901
(415) 446-4111

There are also offices on the Peninsula in San Mateo and in the South Bay in Santa Clara.

344 wannabuyaduck  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:51:18pm

re: #321 Adina in Judea

Jonathan Alter: "It will be up to the press and public to raise enough of a stink about this, that Palin is forced to submit to real interviews with real questions that show whether her real-life experience is any preparation for assuming high office. In that sense, the Palin nomination is as much of a test of us as it is of her."

*Spit*. They don't seem to have been too concerned about "forcing" Obama to submit to real interviews with real questions that show whether his real-life experience is any preparation for assuming high office. His nomination has already been a test of them, one they have been failing.

345 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:51:53pm

re: #334 Catttt

See, you are being logical. This is not a logical liking. There is something about Sarah Palin that appeals to people, including a lot of gays. As I mentioned, for example, Perez is conflicted. He doesn't agree with her, but he is really enthusiastic about her. That kind of enthusiasm, given the cold - or cooling off - appeal of the empty ssuit that is Barry - and the total blank that is his running mate - will garner votes for Mac-Cuda. Trust me on this.

I think one really appealing thing is that she took a lot of flak, didn't blink once, and came out guns blazing. I know people who still are in the closet, even in this day and age. You never see their sig other's pic on their desk. There is still a LOT of incoming flak in the world, and seeing a survivor with teeth is a kick.

Also, and I know this is shallow, but she and her family are gorgeous. How can one not notice this?

Some people think Barack and his family are pretty attractive too. Charles Krauthammer, for instance, was practically drooling in talking about how appealing they were when they were onstage together in Denver.

I'd be the first to say that emotional factors influence our votes, but I just don't think most gay voters would miss the distinction between a candidate who supports benefits for same-sex partners and one who doesn't. Also, where did you get the idea that Obama is losing his appeal? Granted, he hasn't been in the news much this week, but his poll numbers are favorable. We don't know, of course, how these numbers will look after some post-RNC polling is factored in, but he's doing OK for now.

346 Adina in Judea  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:51:55pm

re: #344 wannabuyaduck

Agreed!

347 Colonel Panik  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:53:36pm

re: #341 Panhandler

Dang, that didn't take long.
Cease and Desist on "Barracuda"


I'm sure Gretchen Wilson won't mind if they use this.
May as well rub it in the MSM's face.

348 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:53:53pm

re: #335 JustMyView

I disagree. The gay community is pretty politicized. There's variation, of course, but these issues are central for most gay voters.

You're right- gay republicans are going to vote republican. Gay liberals are going to vote for 0bama. It is the undecideds of whatever race, gender, or oriantaion that are going to decided this election, and I agree with Catttt- there is something appealing about Sarah Palin, and what I think it is is that she's real people, she's like us in many ways. That speaks to people and it might be just enough to turn this election for McCain.

349 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:54:34pm

re: #341 Panhandler

Dang, that didn't take long.
Cease and Desist on "Barracuda"

Heart Girls: you're cool, but bite me!

350 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:55:13pm

re: #344 wannabuyaduck

*Spit*. They don't seem to have been too concerned about "forcing" Obama to submit to real interviews with real questions that show whether his real-life experience is any preparation for assuming high office. His nomination has already been a test of them, one they have been failing.

Obama has been in more than 20 debates and has given dozens of interviews and, very likely, hundreds of speeches in front of all kinds of audiences. What more do you want?

351 cliffster  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:57:26pm

re: #350 JustMyView

Obama has been in more than 20 debates and has given dozens of interviews and, very likely, hundreds of speeches in front of all kinds of audiences. What more do you want?

20 debates? Where do you get that number? I have seen him in debates, and I've seen him in interviews, and he tends to look a little bit stupid when he has to speak on his feet.

352 piglet-u93  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:57:56pm

re: #326 cliffster

So here in Texas, there's not much question which way the state is going to go, so therefore not much reason to do much signing up for the McCain cause here. So what do we do to help?

Take no chances get more votes. A landslide is usually a mandate and it will certainly help start the term on good footing.

353 Adina in Judea  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:58:58pm

re: #350 JustMyView

Obama has been in more than 20 debates and has given dozens of interviews and, very likely, hundreds of speeches in front of all kinds of audiences. What more do you want?

He gets nothing but softball questions from the MSM and he "umms" his way through them.

In one 40 minute press conference, he was recorded as having over 7 minutes of "umms" and "ahhhs" (without repeating any of the instances.)

Obama relies on prepared speeches and teleprompters more than anything.

354 Catttt  Thu, Sep 4, 2008 11:59:50pm

re: #345 JustMyView

Some people think Barack and his family are pretty attractive too. Charles Krauthammer, for instance, was practically drooling in talking about how appealing they were when they were onstage together in Denver.

I'd be the first to say that emotional factors influence our votes, but I just don't think most gay voters would miss the distinction between a candidate who supports benefits for same-sex partners and one who doesn't. Also, where did you get the idea that Obama is losing his appeal? Granted, he hasn't been in the news much this week, but his poll numbers are favorable. We don't know, of course, how these numbers will look after some post-RNC polling is factored in, but he's doing OK for now.

He's definitely been cooling off. The core true believers and hardcore Dems will support him, but the fervor is DEFINITELY cooling off. This will resolut in people not voting. One example - the youth vote, a demographic groups that is heavily in his favor - while still supporting him in a majority, has had a precipitous fall in the percentage that plans to vote. It's down like 20 percent. They had that initial head rush, and then bang - it was gone. Kind of the crack candidate.

Also, I personally think Obama is too too metrosexual for words. I hate that look - hate hate hate it. I like a man to look like he works for a living - for example - Todd Palin is a hunk, as far as I'm concerned.

I have to admit, though, that I really like Mrs. Obama's look. I have a feeling I would like her. The girls are cute.

The Palins, however, are GORGEOUS. They are dripping with it. Earthy, down to earth, real, even-in-dirty jeans-old sweatshirt-bill cap-cleaning a fish gorgeous.

355 wannabuyaduck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:00:19am

re: #350 JustMyView

Obama has been in more than 20 debates and has given dozens of interviews and, very likely, hundreds of speeches in front of all kinds of audiences. What more do you want?

The same thing Jonathan Alter wants for Palin.

356 Colonel Panik  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:01:12am

re: #351 cliffster

20 debates? Where do you get that number? I have seen him in debates, and I've seen him in interviews, and he tends to look a little bit stupid when he has to speak on his feet.

THE WIZARD OF UHS.

357 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:01:39am

re: #351 cliffster

20 debates? Where do you get that number? I have seen him in debates, and I've seen him in interviews, and he tends to look a little bit stupid when he has to speak on his feet.

And one press conference, where he answered nine questions then walked off - much to the distress of a room full of reporters.

358 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:02:02am

Heart should get over themselves Barracuda was her high school nickname. Your song is just coincidence not actually important to her campaign. Hearts refusal probably got more votes for Sarah than the song would have.

359 Colonel Panik  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:02:04am

re: #356 Colonel Panik

oops...hit the send button before attaching link.


THE WIZARD OF UHS.
360 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:02:21am

re: #356 Colonel Panik

THE WIZARD OF UHS.

Barry's favorite trick in the debates was to go after Senator Clinton and then to say "I agree with her." Seriously.

361 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:03:40am

re: #338 Catttt

This is one of the things I really despise Barry for. He is being disingenuous. He CAN'T overturn the gay marriage law in the state of Cali. - it is a state's rights issue. No federal office holder would say anything else, because to overturn the law they would have to pass a constitutional amendment. ALL of the candidates are against such an amendment. ALL of the candidates have repeatedly said that this is a states rights issue.

Well, if he wanted to, he could be speaking out in favor of Proposition 8, which is on the ballot this fall. If that were to pass, the marriage equality law would be overturned in California, but there'd be no implications for the federal constitution. McCain has, in fact, said that he supports Proposition 8, so they do differ on this.

362 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:03:42am

re: #298 JustMyView

In other words, she was HONEST, as I said, but DID HER DUTY, as I said.

What is your point?

363 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:04:13am

re: #323 JustMyView

If I am reading you right, what you're saying is that when Palin's personal views run contradictory to constitutional law, she votes/vetoes in favor of said constitution rather than her own personal views?

364 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:04:21am

re: #361 JustMyView

Well, if he wanted to, he could be speaking out in favor of Proposition 8, which is on the ballot this fall. If that were to pass, the marriage equality law would be overturned in California, but there'd be no implications for the federal constitution. McCain has, in fact, said that he supports Proposition 8, so they do differ on this.

Again, lip service. Barry is really good at talking but not so hot on the walking part.

365 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:05:26am

re: #355 wannabuyaduck

The same thing Jonathan Alter wants for Palin.

But that is what Jonathan Alter wants. Lots of interviews, open-ended questions. I don't think he's planning torture.

366 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:05:45am

re: #363 Slumbering Behemoth

If I am reading you right, what you're saying is that when Palin's personal views run contradictory to constitutional law, she votes/vetoes in favor of said constitution rather than her own personal views?

You got it Sleepy B.

367 wannabuyaduck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:06:46am

re: #357 Catttt

And one press conference, where he answered nine questions then walked off - much to the distress of a room full of reporters.

He was just in a hurry to get back to his waffle! [Link: blog.wired.com...]

368 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:07:05am

re: #364 Catttt

Again, lip service. Barry is really good at talking but not so hot on the walking part.

What is he supposed to do? He's spoken out against Proposition 8. He's not a California voter, so there's not much more he can do about that. He did mention, briefly, something about equal rights for gays in his acceptance speech, and I don't recall that that topic came up at all at the RNC.

369 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:07:17am

re: #363 Slumbering Behemoth

If I am reading you right, what you're saying is that when Palin's personal views run contradictory to constitutional law, she votes/vetoes in favor of said constitution rather than her own personal views?

That's about right. My kind of girl.

370 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:07:18am

re: #365 JustMyView

But that is what Jonathan Alter wants. Lots of interviews, open-ended questions. I don't think he's planning torture.

"One never knows - do one." Fats Waller :D

371 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:07:24am

re: #365 JustMyView

But that is what Jonathan Alter wants. Lots of interviews, open-ended questions. I don't think he's planning torture.

Personally- I think Jon-Jon should be careful what he wishes for.

372 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:08:02am

re: #368 JustMyView

What is he supposed to do? He's spoken out against Proposition 8. He's not a California voter, so there's not much more he can do about that. He did mention, briefly, something about equal rights for gays in his acceptance speech, and I don't recall that that topic came up at all at the RNC.

My point is his track record is to say one thing and do another and to vote present over and over and over and.......

373 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:08:36am

re: #368 JustMyView

What is he supposed to do? He's spoken out against Proposition 8. He's not a California voter, so there's not much more he can do about that. He did mention, briefly, something about equal rights for gays in his acceptance speech, and I don't recall that that topic came up at all at the RNC.

And I don't recall the topic of victory in Iraq coming up at the DNC.

374 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:09:10am

re: #368 JustMyView

What is he supposed to do? He's spoken out against Proposition 8. He's not a California voter, so there's not much more he can do about that. He did mention, briefly, something about equal rights for gays in his acceptance speech, and I don't recall that that topic came up at all at the RNC.

Obanal doesn't stand for anything..........

never has, never will.

(at least until he can get elected POTUS, *then* look out. %-)

375 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:09:34am

0bama is a lawyer with no paper trail. That is unnatural. Seriously.

376 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:09:57am

re: #363 Slumbering Behemoth

If I am reading you right, what you're saying is that when Palin's personal views run contradictory to constitutional law, she votes/vetoes in favor of said constitution rather than her own personal views?

Yes, and, again, I'm not criticizing that. This discussion started out w/ the idea that gay voters might be attracted to Palin because (a) she's an attractive candidate and (b) her views are not really different on issues of concern to gays than those of Obama. I merely pointed out that (b) was inaccurate, i.e., her views on policies that would benefit gays are less favorable than Obama's. I wasn't criticizing her for complying w/ the Alaska constitution.

377 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:10:10am

re: #373 Sharmuta

And I don't recall the topic of victory in Iraq coming up at the DNC.

that's because there being no such thing is a party plank.

378 victor_yugo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:10:52am

Odd tidbit:

If the entire population of the United States moved to Alaska, the population density of Alaska would be 464.71 people/square mile.

The population density of New York City is 27,147 people/square mile.

Thus, moving everyone to Alaska would give a pop density that is still 1.71% that of NYC.

379 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:11:17am

re: #376 JustMyView

nope: you were, as usual, being a richard cranium.

/get back under your bridge

380 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:11:31am

re: #368 JustMyView

What is he supposed to do? He's spoken out against Proposition 8. He's not a California voter, so there's not much more he can do about that. He did mention, briefly, something about equal rights for gays in his acceptance speech, and I don't recall that that topic came up at all at the RNC.

In the end the Dems have had their chance to give gays those rights over the past 40 years. Lip service is all gays have gotten why wouldn't they pick a new direction out of emotion. The fact minorities still vote Dem still amazes me for the same reason.

381 wannabuyaduck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:13:37am

re: #365 JustMyView

But that is what Jonathan Alter wants. Lots of interviews, open-ended questions. I don't think he's planning torture.

I don't recall anyone saying or imply that Alter was planning torture. What was described was what Alter wants for Palin. All I'm saying is I'd like to see it applied equally to Obama. So far, I haven't seen a whole lot of evidence that that is going to happen. Recent example of MSM even-handedness: NYTimes on Edwards, NYTimes on Palin's daughter.

382 rabidfox  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:14:21am

re: #113 ggt
That would work. Either that or Ambassador to SA. Or maybe Bolton as Ambassador to SA.

383 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:14:31am

re: #378 victor_yugo

Odd tidbit:

If the entire population of the United States moved to Alaska, the population density of Alaska would be 464.71 people/square mile.

The population density of New York City is 27,147 people/square mile.

Thus, moving everyone to Alaska would give a pop density that is still 1.71% that of NYC.

if the entire population of NYC moved to Alaska, that would be an improvement, especially if included all of them that now live here in CA*.

the best part would be that between the mosquitoes and other predators, they would be endangered or extinct in a year or so.

*(certain lizards excepted. %-)

384 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:14:32am

re: #380 Metal Man

In the end the Dems have had their chance to give gays those rights over the past 40 years. Lip service is all gays have gotten why wouldn't they pick a new direction out of emotion. The fact minorities still vote Dem still amazes me for the same reason.

If I may provide a crude joke- perhaps some gays don't mind if the dems f*ck them up the ass.

385 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:14:34am

re: #380 Metal Man

In the end the Dems have had their chance to give gays those rights over the past 40 years. Lip service is all gays have gotten why wouldn't they pick a new direction out of emotion. The fact minorities still vote Dem still amazes me for the same reason.

They might not have gotten everything they want from gays, but it's not Democrats who have used gay marriage amendments as a way to draw culturally conservative voters to the polls. It will be interesting to see what happens to "Don't ask, don't tell" if Obama is elected.

386 wannabuyaduck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:16:02am

re: #381 wannabuyaduck

I don't recall anyone saying or imply that Alter was planning torture.

dang -- saying or *implying*

387 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:17:43am

Something else you need to keep in mind, jmv - there are gays who have other core issues that are more important to them. For example, the people I work with tend to be conservative. The tax plans of Obama alone are enough to send most of us screaming to the Republican ticket.

Gays in the financial field generally have benies for their partners, and they know full well that Obama wants to hit business, double the cap gains tax, and hit companies with a ton o'crap. They will vote against this en masse.

And I still think many people will vote as Michael Moore said:

Ballot:
Barack Obama
War Hero

And as he said (I don't believe I'm quoting him): This ain’t Sweden. War hero wins every time.

388 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:18:47am

re: #381 wannabuyaduck

I don't recall anyone saying or imply that Alter was planning torture. What was described was what Alter wants for Palin. All I'm saying is I'd like to see it applied equally to Obama. So far, I haven't seen a whole lot of evidence that that is going to happen. Recent example of MSM even-handedness: NYTimes on Edwards, NYTimes on Palin's daughter.

The NYT certainly published stories re Edwards once he confessed. The Palins, after all, announced their daughter's pregnancy. They have made her motherhood a central fact of her political identity.

Again, all Alter says is "real interviews with real questions". If Obama hasn't gotten enough of that, you should be writing to Alter or other journalists because he certainly hasn't been hiding. Did you see the O'Reilly interview this evening? If you missed it, you can check out additional segments, which will be on next Mon, Tues, Wed.

389 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:19:01am

re: #384 Sharmuta
My crude response:)

One day, there was an old bull and a young bull talking to each other in the pasture. The young bull looked at the older bull and asked, “Did you hear the farmer is getting another bull?”

This upset the older bull. “Before you got here, I had 120 cows to keep me happy. Then I had to give you 50. Well I am not giving up any more of my cows!”

The younger one thought a minute. “Well, I only have 50 and he wants me to give some up. Forget it.”

Just then the farmer pulled up and unloaded the biggest, meanest and ugliest bull ever created. Frightened, the older bull said, “Well at my age I only need a few cows, so I guess he can have as many as he wants.”

The younger one started stomping and snorting and puffing out his chest. The old bull looked at him in amazement. “Are you nuts? A few cows aren’t worth your life.”

“Cows, hell,” the younger one shouted, “he can have all the cows he wants. I just want to make sure he knows I’m not one of them.

390 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:20:51am

re: #387 Catttt


Gays in the financial field generally have benies for their partners, and they know full well that Obama wants to hit business, double the cap gains tax, and hit companies with a ton o'crap. They will vote against this en masse.

There are several errors in your understanding of his tax proposals. You may want to look at his website to get accurate figures.

391 RTLM  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:21:05am

Iraq To Turn Abu Ghraib Into Museum Of Saddam’s Abuse
[Link: patdollard.com...]

The gray, stonewalled prison was one of the darkest symbols of Saddam’s regime—a place where people only suspected of plotting against him would disappear, be tortured and executed without trial.

Former inmates have told of chemical and biological weapons experiments on prisoners, and the execution of hundreds in the 1990s as part of a campaign by Saddam’s son, Qusai, to ease crowding. Others have spoken of tiny isolation cells where political detainees were kept for up to a year without seeing a single person.

But wait. We stripped them naked and put woman's underwear on their heads while flex-cuffed. Then often spanked by clothed American females in that facility.

(dogs barking)

/sounds so bad?

392 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:21:40am

re: #385 JustMyView

They might not have gotten everything they want from gays, but it's not Democrats who have used gay marriage amendments as a way to draw culturally conservative voters to the polls. It will be interesting to see what happens to "Don't ask, don't tell" if Obama is elected.

same thing that happened when billdo got in the white house:

Nothing.

doing something would require him to take a stand.

393 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:23:15am

re: #380 Metal Man

In the end the Dems have had their chance to give gays those rights over the past 40 years. Lip service is all gays have gotten why wouldn't they pick a new direction out of emotion. The fact minorities still vote Dem still amazes me for the same reason.

Good point. During the primaries, some Penn. gays got really ticked off at Obama. They are used to the Janus treatment from two-faced pols, but that does not mean they like it.

Gay Paper: Obama Refuses To Talk With Gay Media

394 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:23:57am

re: #390 JustMyView

There are several errors in your understanding of his tax proposals. You may want to look at his website to get accurate figures.

the simplist thing to understand about his tax policies is that he's going to raise takes on the rich, who aren't paying their share now.

by "the rich", he means anyone who makes a little over $32K/year.

besides: there's nothing accurate on his web page, any more than there is in your posts.

395 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:24:27am

re: #390 JustMyView

There are several errors in your understanding of his tax proposals. You may want to look at his website to get accurate figures.

Don't pull that condescending bullshit with me. Peddle it to the younguns.

396 RTLM  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:24:45am

Justmyview,

Do you own a house or condo?

397 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:25:37am

re: #394 redc1c4

the simplist thing to understand about his tax policies is that he's going to raise takes on the rich, who aren't paying their share now.

by "the rich", he means anyone who makes a little over $32K/year.

besides: there's nothing accurate on his web page, any more than there is in your posts.

You, too, are incorrect. In fact, he has proposed a modest tax decrease for anyone making less than $250,000. Don't believe everything you see on TV.

398 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:26:38am

re: #395 Catttt

Don't pull that condescending bullshit with me. Peddle it to the younguns.

It's not condescending. It's simply not true that he is planning to double the capital gains tax, which is what you said.

399 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:27:04am

re: #396 RTLM

Justmyview,

Do you own a house or condo?

Not at the moment.

400 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:27:10am

re: #398 JustMyView

It's not condescending. It's simply not true that he is planning to double the capital gains tax, which is what you said.

You most certainly were condescending.

401 Valkyrie1981  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:27:20am

CATO has Obama's tax plan nailed for the Socialistic crap-house that it is. [Link: www.cato.org...]

There is that Article...

As a Police Office I think to liven up that speech they could have Tazored those Pinko.... "DONT TAZE ME BRO!"

402 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:29:04am

re: #388 JustMyView

If they didn't want to shoot the moon for "marriage" republicans would likely go for some sort of civil union. They keep their attachment to the dems for the victimhood.

403 RTLM  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:29:27am

re: #399 JustMyView

Not at the moment.

I didn't think so.

404 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:29:58am

re: #400 Catttt

You most certainly were condescending.

I apologize if I seemed so. I meant only to say that what you had said was incorrect and to point you to a source where you could get the real numbers. I know from your previous posts that you are a finance person of some sort, so I thought you might want to know what he is actually proposing.

405 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:30:36am

I think it's obvious Sarah's appeal has made a lot of people nervous. She's the ticking bomb the identity politics of the left fears.

406 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:31:06am

re: #403 RTLM

I didn't think so.

Why is that important? I've been a homeowner in the past, but, for complicated reasons, am living in an apartment now.

407 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:31:16am

re: #376 JustMyView

Yes, and, again, I'm not criticizing that. This discussion started out w/ the idea that gay voters might be attracted to Palin because (a) she's an attractive candidate and (b) her views are not really different on issues of concern to gays than those of Obama. I merely pointed out that (b) was inaccurate, i.e., her views on policies that would benefit gays are less favorable than Obama's. I wasn't criticizing her for complying w/ the Alaska constitution.

You know, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some gays would vote for McCain/Palin even knowing that her views on gay marriage are less than favorable. They apparently do find her very attractive, and fashionable, and if there is one gay stereotype that is somewhat valid, it is their fashion sense. And possibly they might find her honesty refreshing. They probably recognize that she cannot hurt their core cause, but she might well be good for them in other areas. Gays tend to be high-income earners. McCain/Palin won't hit their pockets as hard as Obama, and they are plenty smart enough to know that.

408 wannabuyaduck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:31:19am

re: #388 JustMyView

Again, all Alter says is "real interviews with real questions".

For Palin. But I'm sure he and his colleagues will get right in there with those hard-hitting questions for Obama if I and some others just ask them to. I didn't get a chance to see the O'Reilly interview, although from comments here it didn't sound too hard-hitting. Maybe the following ones will make up for it. Interesting timing, though, on this one.

Are you saying that the MSM is *not* (by and large) inclined toward Obama?

409 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:31:47am

re: #397 JustMyView

If my employer pays more in taxes who really pays them?
ME!

410 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:31:49am

re: #397 JustMyView

You, too, are incorrect. In fact, he has proposed a modest tax decrease for anyone making less than $250,000. Don't believe everything you see on TV.

actually, i simply don't believe anything you post, since there are never any links. since i read the information i was referring to in the WSJ, it's up to you to refute it convincingly......... which you won't. %-)

411 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:33:51am

JMV- why are you such an 0bama shill? What's his appeal?

412 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:35:19am

re: #407 Alberta Oil Peon

You know, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some gays would vote for McCain/Palin even knowing that her views on gay marriage are less than favorable. They apparently do find her very attractive, and fashionable, and if there is one gay stereotype that is somewhat valid, it is their fashion sense. And possibly they might find her honesty refreshing. They probably recognize that she cannot hurt their core cause, but she might well be good for them in other areas. Gays tend to be high-income earners. McCain/Palin won't hit their pockets as hard as Obama, and they are plenty smart enough to know that.

What is your source on the "they apparently do find her attractive and fashionable"? Has there been a survey?

413 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:36:03am

re: #366 Sharmuta

Yeah, that whole "sticking to the law of the land" is for the birds. Screw that crap, dear leaders should just impose their personal views on their subjects, constitutions be damned!
///of course, I am being silly

re: #369 cliffster

That's about right. My kind of girl woman.

As dude, who can often be a pig, "fixed" by a minor quibble. She's a full grown*, rip-shit-tear-ass woman.

*was looking for the Jon Spencer tune that would go with that, but couldn't find it. This instead.

414 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:37:21am

re: #410 redc1c4

actually, i simply don't believe anything you post, since there are never any links. since i read the information i was referring to in the WSJ, it's up to you to refute it convincingly......... which you won't. %-)

There are all kinds of links in my posts above, as there are in many of my posts. What WSJ info are you referring to?

And, for the record, if you're interested in any more replies, be polite. There's no reason to be disrespectful. I haven't said anything rude or insulting to you.

415 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:38:52am

re: #412 JustMyView

You apparently missed Zombie's post earlier in this thread.

416 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:39:27am

re: #409 Metal Man

If my employer pays more in taxes who really pays them?
ME!

and that's *only* if you manage to keep your j*b...... %-)

/no sure thing.

417 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:39:34am

re: #411 Sharmuta

JMV- why are you such an 0bama shill? What's his appeal?

Policy in many areas, as well as what I believe to be a generally forward-looking worldview that will help the U.S. stay strong as other nations develop.

418 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:41:16am

re: #341 Panhandler

Dang, that didn't take long.
Cease and Desist on "Barracuda"

I thought that as long as the RNC pays BMI/ASCAP/SESAC for public performance fees, the Wilsons would just have to pound sand whenever the campaign uses "Barracuda".

I guess they'd rather have their (kickass) song tied to the Honda Odyssey minivan commercials and Guitar Hero III, rather than a (conservative Republican) woman who earned that nickname because of her aggressiveness....oh well, let the lawyers sort it out then.

419 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:41:54am

Talk about condescending!

Obama Dismisses Sexism Complaints From McCain-Palin Campaign as ‘Working the Refs’

"You know, the notion that any questions about her work in Alaska is somehow not relevant to her potentially being vice president of the United States, doesn’t make too much sense to me," he continued. "I think she’s got a compelling story, but I assume that she wants to be treated the same way that guys want to be treated -- which means that their records are under scrutiny."

Obama noted, "I’ve been through this for 19 months. She’s been through it, what, for four days so far?"

You've had a cake walk, barry- F you.

420 wannabuyaduck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:43:08am

re: #388 JustMyView

The Palins, after all, announced their daughter's pregnancy. They have made her motherhood a central fact of her political identity.

They, the Palins, have made?

421 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:43:35am

re: #415 Alberta Oil Peon

You apparently missed Zombie's post earlier in this thread.

Do you mean #238? If so, there are no data there. zombie just says that if the trend-setting gay vote switches, the election would go to McCain-Palin.

422 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:43:41am

re: #414 JustMyView

There are all kinds of links in my posts above, as there are in many of my posts. What WSJ info are you referring to?

And, for the record, if you're interested in any more replies, be polite. There's no reason to be disrespectful. I haven't said anything rude or insulting to you.

respect can only be earned, not demanded. i know your therapist never explained that unpleasant truth to you, but i'm happy to make the on the spot correction.

you got links, post them now... your claim, your burden of proof.

no links, then i call deliberate BS, and it's 15 yards and an even greater lack of respect for you, since every one of your posts insult the intelligence of the Lizard Army.

423 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:44:39am

re: #417 JustMyView

Policy in many areas, as well as what I believe to be a generally forward-looking worldview that will help the U.S. stay strong as other nations develop.

And I'm s**ting gold coins...Obama is a huckster without any real public policy or management experience.

JMV, it's a shame that you apparently believe the lie that everyone else in the world will like us again once NObama is elected, because it's a bunch of horse hockey and you know it!

424 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:44:49am

re: #419 Sharmuta

Talk about condescending!

Obama Dismisses Sexism Complaints From McCain-Palin Campaign as ‘Working the Refs’

You've had a cake walk, barry- F you.

Me thinks the One is trying to have his racist cake and eat Palins sexism too.

425 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:45:01am

re: #417 JustMyView

Policy in many areas, as well as what I believe to be a generally forward-looking worldview that will help the U.S. stay strong as other nations develop.

That's pretty vague.

426 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:45:21am

re: #420 wannabuyaduck

They, the Palins, have made?

typical JMV bs..... he just makes it up as he goes.

/and not very well, at that. %-)

427 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:45:35am

McCain is at war against earmarks.

Obama's made a career out of passing OUT earmarks to his pals, after taking donations from them.

Example:
Obama donor received a state grant

428 RTLM  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:46:18am

Big volcanic eruption in the Aleutian Islands. Anyone notice any extra-bright/brilliant sunsets?

And we missed it?
[Link: www.livescience.com...]

429 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:46:31am

re: #412 JustMyView

What is your source on the "they apparently do find her attractive and fashionable"? Has there been a survey?

You haven't been reading your Perez lately, have you?

430 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:46:34am

re: #425 Sharmuta

That's pretty vague.

then it's undoubtedly a direct Obanal quote. %-)

/white smoke

431 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:46:58am

re: #420 wannabuyaduck

They, the Palins, have made?

Yes, Sarah's motherhood, that is, not Bristol's. What I meant to say is that you can't define yourself as a "hockey mom" and trot out your children to add to your appeal and expect people not to ask questions about them. I am NOT saying people need to get into all kinds of gruesome detail about the Palin family, but when you put your family onstage, people will ask questions and make observations. It's human nature.

432 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:47:40am

re: #425 Sharmuta

That's pretty vague.

Just like NObama.....purposely vague.

433 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:47:51am

re: #425 Sharmuta

That's pretty vague.

You're right, but it's getting pretty late. Can we take this up another time?

434 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:48:14am

re: #424 Metal Man

Me thinks the One is trying to have his racist cake and eat Palins sexism too.

I hope he gets all defensive and does another one of those whiny reactive ads.

435 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:48:48am

re: #433 JustMyView

You're right, but it's getting pretty late. Can we take this up another time?

Heavens. We agree on something. If I don't go to bed NOW, my Siamese cat is going to shred me.

436 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:49:02am

re: #429 Catttt

You haven't been reading your Perez lately, have you?

Guess not. But I doubt Perez has been doing surveys either.

G'night, Cattt. Nice talking w/ you. Sleep well.

437 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:49:43am

re: #433 JustMyView

You're right, but it's getting pretty late. Can we take this up another time?

No- I want to know now.

438 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:49:59am

re: #431 JustMyView

Yes, Sarah's motherhood, that is, not Bristol's. What I meant to say is that you can't define yourself as a "hockey mom" and trot out your children to add to your appeal and expect people not to ask questions about them. I am NOT saying people need to get into all kinds of gruesome detail about the Palin family, but when you put your family onstage, people will ask questions and make observations. It's human nature.



Did you notice that Levi has a "Bristol" tat on his ring finger? Soooooo romantic.

And with that - 'night.

439 wannabuyaduck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:50:17am

re: #419 Sharmuta

"I think she’s got a compelling story, but I assume that she wants to be treated the same way that guys want to be treated -- which means that their records are under scrutiny."

Well, that's true, but pretty rich considering the source.

440 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:50:40am

re: #436 JustMyView

Guess not. But I doubt Perez has been doing surveys either.

G'night, Cattt. Nice talking w/ you. Sleep well.

He thinks Track is a hottie. :D

441 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:51:04am

re: #431 JustMyView

Bullshit Obamas had his wife and kids on stage and never have I thought to question weather he is a pedophile.
Which was a claim about the Palins

442 Catttt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:51:07am

And I'm really leaving now. The Siamese is starting to yell.

443 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:51:32am

re: #437 Sharmuta

No- I want to know now.

Just when people press JMV for proof on its positions, it decides to call it a night...how convenient.

444 JustMyView  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:52:03am

re: #422 redc1c4


no links, then i call deliberate BS, and it's 15 yards and an even greater lack of respect for you, since every one of your posts insult the intelligence of the Lizard Army.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm off to bed. I'm sure we'll encounter each other again sometime soon.

If you'll post the WSJ info you mentioned, I'll check it out in the AM. Good night.

445 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:52:10am

re: #431 JustMyView

Yes, Sarah's motherhood, that is, not Bristol's. What I meant to say is that you can't define yourself as a "hockey mom" and trot out your children to add to your appeal and expect people not to ask questions about them. I am NOT saying people need to get into all kinds of gruesome detail about the Palin family, but when you put your family onstage, people will ask questions and make observations. It's human nature.

You sexist fucking asshole! The men in this campaign are all fathers- why isn't their fatherhood an issue? All politicians trot out their families when they have one- so what's with the sexist double standard?

446 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:52:48am

re: #443 talon_262

Who am I kidding? Time for be for me too, DAMNIT!

;-P

447 wannabuyaduck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:53:00am

re: #431 JustMyView

Yes, Sarah's motherhood, that is, not Bristol's. What I meant to say is that you can't define yourself as a "hockey mom" and trot out your children to add to your appeal and expect people not to ask questions about them. I am NOT saying people need to get into all kinds of gruesome detail about the Palin family, but when you put your family onstage, people will ask questions and make observations. It's human nature.

Thanks for the clarification. Nonetheless, I don't think it's particularly reasonable to assume those questions were going to be including whether her youngest child was really hers.

448 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:53:05am

re: #446 talon_262

err, "bed"

449 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:53:39am

re: #439 wannabuyaduck

Well, that's true, but pretty rich considering the source.

Exactly- he has no record and he's faced no real scrutiny from the msm.

450 captwfcall  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:54:11am

re: #417 JustMyView

Do you really believe that Obama will be good with foreign policy? He can't even admit he was wrong about the surge in Iraq. He also thinks we can just roll into Pakistan on a whim. And he thinks just because Iran is a small country that they are not a concern.

I'm just thankful we have some sorts of checks and balances in place now. because some of the things Obama has said is just plain scary. should he get voted into office, that's going to be our only hope. since congress doesn't do anything these days, we should be ok even with a Dem-controlled congress.

And how could ANYONE not be terrified by a person who can just walk out on a stage and say '' and make tears roll down peoples faces from the joy of his words. that's not the type of person we want running our country. that's someone who has the potential to become a dictator. Watch when they pan to the crowds when Obama speaks. He's not saying anything that other Liberals haven't said a million times over, yet he's got people in tears.

that's scary power. I don't care what he's saying..even if I agreed with him. I'd never want someone like that as President.

451 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:57:44am

re: #431 JustMyView

Yes, Sarah's motherhood, that is, not Bristol's. What I meant to say is that you can't define yourself as a "hockey mom" and trot out your children to add to your appeal and expect people not to ask questions about them. I am NOT saying people need to get into all kinds of gruesome detail about the Palin family, but when you put your family onstage, people will ask questions and make observations. It's human nature.

as usual, you're FOS: the fact free attacks on her & her family started long before we saw any of them on stage.

you're a tool, and a dull one at that.

452 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:59:04am

re: #444 JustMyView

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm off to bed. I'm sure we'll encounter each other again sometime soon.

If you'll post the WSJ info you mentioned, I'll check it out in the AM. Good night.

and now he "cuts & runs" just like his hero..... i'm *so* impressed.

/not

453 captwfcall  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:59:17am

re: #431 JustMyView

so where are all the questions about Obama's kids? he trotted them out on stage from what I recall. With your logic people should be digging into their lives and trying to destroy them too.

Don't see smear campaigns against those little darlings. and you never will, because it's wrong.

454 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 12:59:54am

Finally caught up with the all y'all. I see Nodrog got a new account and has hijacked another thread.

455 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:01:01am

re: #437 Sharmuta

No- I want to know now.

don't hold your breath..... that's not his MO.

456 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:02:57am

It appears that the Barracuda's teeth cut in more ways than would be expected.LOL

457 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:05:07am

re: #455 redc1c4

Good- I'm glad that sexist POS is gone.

458 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:10:05am

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but Riehl is reporting that the ratings for Palin's speech viewers have been revised upward - to 40 million! That's 2 million more than watched Obama!

Eat your heart out, Barry! 40 MILLION!

459 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:13:10am

Idiots

A top Obama advisor said Thursday that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin made a cultural connection when she spoke to the Republican National Convention Wednesday night, effective politics for the Republican Party. Robert Gibbs argued, however, that unlike 20 years ago when the GOP successfully used hot-button cultural issues to defeat Michael Dukakis, the election will turn on issues like the economy and health care.

This election will come down to energy- that's what will help this economy, if Americans start paying less for gas. Dumbasses- I hope they keep this up.

460 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:13:31am

re: #457 Sharmuta

Good- I'm glad that sexist POS is gone.

he's just a lame troll: don't let him get to you.

that's why i piss him off, as it defeats his reason for posting. %-)

461 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:14:23am

late, tired, off to bed by way of the fruitcup fridge......

/enjoy!

462 victor_yugo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:17:13am

If the entire population of the United States moved to Rhode Island, the resulting population density would cause a really foul odor.

463 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:18:30am

re: #458 Intrepid

And on less stations carrying it from what I've read.
No mean feat for a newcomer VP.

464 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:21:24am

re: #458 Intrepid

You should put that in the spinoffs.

465 RTLM  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:21:46am

Yams peekin' in Obama Camp

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

ST. PAUL — Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Gov. Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and bolstering his plan to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said Thursday.

466 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:23:24am

re: #462 victor_yugo

If the entire population of the United States moved to Rhode Island, the resulting population density would cause a really foul odor.

If we all moved to Rhode Island where would we put our cows?
Foul odor or not I need a steak.

467 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:27:53am

re: #463 Metal Man

And on less stations carrying it from what I've read.
No mean feat for a newcomer VP.

Yep - Telemundo, BET, Sky 1 and one other I can't remember decided to pass on Gov Palin's speech, and yet she still beat Obama by 2 million viewers!

We can thank the all out attacks on her and her family by the MSM and in lefty blogs over the past 5 days for that. The more they harped, the more interest they generated.

Two million more women than men were watching that speech, too. And the women in small towns will identify with her and her brand of feminism than they will with the rabid liberal feminists.

She needs to go quickly to Ohio and Pennsylvania after she's done in Wisconsin.

468 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:28:15am

re: #464 Sharmuta

You should put that in the spinoffs.

Roger that!

469 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:36:13am

re: #465 RTLM

Yams peekin' in Obama Camp

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

ST. PAUL — Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Gov. Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and bolstering his plan to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said Thursday.

I can't remember on which blog I read this, but I did see a statement (of a sorts) from a Clinton insider who said that they told the Obama campaign not to overestimate what Senator Clinton would be able to do for them, because she already has made numerous commitments to do lots of fund raising for other Democrat senators.

So basically that's Hillary's "I'm sorry but I can't go out with you tonight, I'm washing my hair".

Heh.

470 Metal Man  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:36:32am

re: #467 Intrepid
I read that one of the big advantages McCain gets from having Palin is they can draw crowds independently. Meaning the McCain ticket can split up covering 2 states a day till election. Obama, Biden is going to be stuck with 1 state a day.

I'm off to be now so goodnight all.

471 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:38:33am

re: #465 RTLM

“What McCain has done with Governor Palin’s nomination is aim right at a demographic that Obama needs to address quickly: noncollege-educated women,” said Mike McCurry, a former spokesman in the Clinton White House. “They need to maximize Biden’s ability to reach out to them, but at the end of the day, it is Obama who has to get that very, very critical group.”

That's really insulting.

472 RTLM  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:46:17am

They have a t-shirt that says VPILF. Another one that says PILF. If that crap gets any legs I'll have explain to my wife what a MILF is.

Then stand back.

473 transient  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:46:25am

Hi Sharm!

474 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:46:50am

re: #471 Sharmuta

That's really insulting.

Oh for heaven's sake! That's repulsive!

475 formercorpsman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:48:27am

Nice to see JMV was here.

Color me surprised.

476 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:50:18am

re: #473 transient

Hi Trans!

477 victor_yugo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:50:48am

re: #471 Sharmuta

re: #474 Intrepid

Given that it's Mike McCurry doing the talking, yes, it's insulting and repulsive.

However, my non-college-, non-high-school-educated Dad is one of the downright smartest people I know. He is, for all intents and purposes, self-educated, in the finest Frank Zappa tradition.

478 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:51:18am

re: #474 Intrepid

Oh for heaven's sake! That's repulsive!

The funny thing is- I doubt he realizes just how insulting that really is.

479 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:55:43am

re: #477 victor_yugo

re: #474 Intrepid

Given that it's Mike McCurry doing the talking, yes, it's insulting and repulsive.

However, my non-college-, non-high-school-educated Dad is one of the downright smartest people I know. He is, for all intents and purposes, self-educated, in the finest Frank Zappa tradition.

My late father would have just loved her, and he didn't make it through the 9th grade, was a democrat, and was the smartest, wisest man I ever knew. Dunno about the Zappa thing with him, though.

480 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 1:58:25am

re: #478 Sharmuta

The funny thing is- I doubt he realizes just how insulting that really is.

Their "we're for the common man" masks have completely fallen off, and their snobby elitism is there for everyone to see. I wonder if there will be a "Palin effect" in the congressional elections....

481 formercorpsman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:05:13am

re: #480 Intrepid

For the common man, as in the vein of, keep those union dues coming in. We appreciate all of the political donations as well.

482 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:06:00am

Uh.... Fruitcup&trade: is on the buffet-------->

483 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:08:59am

re: #482 Sharmuta

Uh.... Fruitcup™: is on the buffet-------->

Sharm, you the Fruitcup sub today? Wonder where LOL is?

484 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:09:55am

re: #483 Intrepid

Sharm, you the Fruitcup sub today? Wonder where LOL is?

I just realized she wasn't here- hope everything is alright.

485 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:13:05am

re: #480 Intrepid

I've just been contemplating that 'Palin Effect' on the senatorial and congressional elections... a heavily Republican congress might REALLY set America humming...

And I spoke long-distance last night with someone personally involved with the "Home Fusion Project", and he says we'll know some time this year whether or not the PolyWell is worth pursuing.

Imagine, a safe, small box in one home out of 50 that generates more power than those homes can use! We can have it, we can lead the world to it!

486 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:15:21am

re: #484 Sharmuta

Everything is swimming...

...in LATE fruitcup! :D

487 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:23:13am

re: #482 Sharmuta

Whooops!™ ;-)

/I'm so glad the convention is over...

Thanks, Sharmuta! :-)

488 RTLM  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:23:38am

How is MigueldowninMexico?

489 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:25:03am

re: #487 littleoldlady

{lol}!

490 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:26:39am

re: #488 RTLM

Haven't heard a thing in a long time, RTLM :-(

491 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:39:04am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Being at home today (crook with a rotten cold), I watched Cindy McCain and Senator McCain speak

It was wonderful learning about Cindy McCain's achievements - what a woman!

And I was most impressed with Senator McCain - what a lifetime of experience and his words about his POW experience were very moving indeed

My son and his girlfriend are in the US right now too - they went to a mate's wedding last weekend in Fort Wayne Indiana and are now travelling around - next stop New York

492 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:39:40am

I wasn't going to watch Sen. McCain's speech last night. Figured it would be painful after watching Gov. Palin's. But I started to, then continued until the end. Better than expected, and my vote for him won't be entirely due to his choice of running mate!

Good morning, all! Neighbor's dog woke me up early...coffee finally ready...be right back.

493 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:42:22am

Lebanon is a role model for regional states: Jalili

Yea...as in, 'How to Become a Member in Good Standing of the New and Improved Shi'a Crescent' - a Mullah's of Madness Enterprise© ...or maybe that should be the Russian-Chinese-Iranian Axis© ?

Mornin folks.

494 RTLM  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:43:03am

re: #491 aussiemagpie

Howdy there.

(thanks for that)

:)

495 Dustyvet  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:43:16am

John Kerry: Rush Limbaugh Forced Palin Pick...What's this war hero been smoking this time?

496 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:44:18am

Visited the lounge for the first time the other night and being a real technodummy I couldn't get on the main page, however I did manage a little chat with Birkenstock Cowboy who did try hard to help me!

497 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:46:22am

re: #494 RTLM

Howdy there.

(thanks for that)

:)

Hi and Sarah Palin has made the news here too - and our MSM is also rather biased

498 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:46:24am

re: #496 aussiemagpie

Birkie's really nice like that.

499 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:50:41am

re: #498 Sharmuta

Good morning, Shar! Did you like McCain's speech?

500 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:51:40am

WOW! aussiemagpie! HI! :-)

501 RTLM  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:53:42am

re: #497 aussiemagpie

Hi and Sarah Palin has made the news here too - and our MSM is also rather biased

I understand Optometrists are now swamped with woman's eyeglass orders matching Sarah Palin's.

(focals)

502 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:55:29am

re: #498 Sharmuta

Birkie's really nice like that.

Hi,

Yes he tried hard to help - I'd better read "How to Chat in a Chat Room" before I try again

503 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:57:18am

re: #499 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, Shar! Did you like McCain's speech?

I thought Senator McCain did well as the good cop to Governor Palin's bad cop. The end was really fantastic though.

504 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:57:46am

Good morning/afternoon/evening/night, Lizard Nation!

Watched the McCain speech from start to finish ... oh wow!
Two things which impressed me most: generally, his eyes: how they shone whenever he spoke of his love for his country! That is something not even the best actor on earth can fake - and B0 has nothing at all to put against that.
Particularly - I was truly impressed with something he did not say - and did not need to say: he just made a little pause, but anybody who knows anything knew what he meant: after he spoke about his experiences, and talked about war - he said he hated war and would do all not to get the USA into one ... and there was the pause, the 'BUT' he didn't need to say, because verybody in that hall and on TV knew and knows that if necessary, McCain will not hesitate for the blink of an eye to fight.

Speaking softly, but carrying a big stick - oh yeah!
What a Commander-In-Chief he'll be!

505 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:59:16am

re: #500 littleoldlady

WOW! aussiemagpie! HI! :-)

Hi {darls}

Good to see you too! I'm easing back into LGF after computer problems
and being rather slack too

506 american jewess in jerusalem  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:01:22am

An injured British soldier was refused a hotel room in England due to a "hotel policy of refusing rooms to servicemen."

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

The only good news is that many angry citizens have been calling the hotel and protesting. Now if only the hotel could go bankrupt.

Oh, and the hotel is owned by a group called American Amusements, but don't be fooled -- it is a UK company and has nothing to do with America.

Wake up, Brits. I love you, being a Jane Austen fan and all, but you have to get control of your moonbats. So do we.

507 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:02:03am

re: #504 yma o hyd

Speaking softly, but carrying a big stick - oh yeah!
What a Commander-In-Chief he'll be!

Good morning! In truth, McCain wasn't my first choice, not even my third, but I liked his speech last night. I think that he and Gov. Palin are going to make a crackin' team!

Has the rain let up?

508 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:04:14am

re: #503 Sharmuta

I thought Senator McCain did well as the good cop to Governor Palin's bad cop. The end was really fantastic though.

I love your take on it! Agree about the ending...and I love the fact that they played Barracuda!

509 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:06:29am

re: #507 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning! In truth, McCain wasn't my first choice, not even my third, but I liked his speech last night. I think that he and Gov. Palin are going to make a crackin' team!

McCain was my last choice, to be honest, but last night I came to see John McCain in a new light. I've often discussed with people the issue of how government runs and what could be done to fix that, and I'm now seeing some of McCain's positions on these issues as not being so far off from mine. Perhaps he really can fix some of this stuff- I'd sure like to give him the chance.

510 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:13:52am

re: #506 american jewess in jerusalem

It was top of our local TV news here yesterday morning, as the soldier concerned is a Welshman.

People are outraged about these continuous slurs on our soldiers.

But - as I said many times here - sure, the moonbats have been running our country since 1997, but please do not make the mistake and think that what the MSM print and broadcast represents the opinion of the majority of the people here.

Change is indeed coming, the Tories will win the next General election hands down. They wiped the floor in the by-elections (thats an election when a Member of Parialemnt dies or resigns for health reasons) a couple of months ago - taking over Labour seats which ahd been held with huge majorities for decades.
Oh - and you've all heard of Boris Johnson ousting Red Ken Livingston in London in May ...

Moonbattery will not last - and even some papers are now starting to take the pi$$ of NuLabs continuous proposals - such as that hilarious one of a NuLab local council to have everybody there fast in honour of Ramadan ...

So - don't write us off, willya!

511 Dustyvet  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:14:34am

re: #500 littleoldlady

WOW! aussiemagpie! HI! :-)

Allo Littleold Lady...:)

512 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:14:44am

re: #458 Intrepid

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but Riehl is reporting that the ratings for Palin's speech viewers have been revised upward - to 40 million! That's 2 million more than watched Obama!

Eat your heart out, Barry! 40 MILLION!

That just proves the old adage about there's no such thing as good publicity or bad publicity, only publicity. The attacks on Gov. Palin just made more people want to watch...

513 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:17:33am

Dustyvet! :-)

514 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:17:50am

re: #507 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning! In truth, McCain wasn't my first choice, not even my third, but I liked his speech last night. I think that he and Gov. Palin are going to make a crackin' team!

Has the rain let up?

Hi!
No - its been chucking it down overnight, then it eases off a bit to a gentle drizzle, and then the clouds burst again, as just now. Its like a monsoon - one can't see to the end of the road - but its much colder, alas ...
And the next Atlantic Low is starting to roll in over the weekend.
The danger of flooding is very high, because the rivers are full after a very wet and gloomy summer - the ground is saturated, agricultural shows are called off - and I have severe doubts that we'll get a good game of Rugby tomorrow - it'll be a mudbath!
(Not that our boyos and the Irish team don't know how to play in the mud, teeheehee!)

515 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:18:15am

Medvedev, Putin Attend Victory Day Military Parade in Moscow - Victory in more ways than one.

Vast changes are taking place in the world's geo-political landscape. Events this past month have cast a sharp light on these changes, which are impinging on almost every corner of the planet.
[...]
The revival of Chinese and Russian power -- both economic and military -- has long been evident, but it had not been fully absorbed into Western strategic thinking. Now it can no longer be ignored. [...]

NATO, a Western relic of the Cold War, needs to rethink its role and even consider whether its continued existence does more harm than good.
[...]

...oh yea, in case it was missed earlier this week, Turkey Downplays Russia Trade Dispute, Russia Praises Euro's Weakness

Turkey sought to play down a trade dispute with Russia, refusing to condemn its invasion of Georgia, as Russian President Dimitry Medvedev praised the European Union for declining to push for sanctions.

Turkey, a NATO member, is determined to strengthen economic ties with Russia as it negotiates an end to Russian curbs on its exports....

Babacan's comments followed the European Union's decision yesterday to take the symbolic step of suspending talks over expanded trade ties with Russia over the invasion of Georgia. EU leaders balked at imposing sanctions on Russia, acknowledging the 27-nation bloc's dependence on Russian oil and gas.
[...]

America Alone.

516 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:19:57am

re: #509 Sharmuta

McCain was my last choice, to be honest, but last night I came to see John McCain in a new light. I've often discussed with people the issue of how government runs and what could be done to fix that, and I'm now seeing some of McCain's positions on these issues as not being so far off from mine. Perhaps he really can fix some of this stuff- I'd sure like to give him the chance.


I was surprised to find myself nodding my head in agreement with much of what he said. He also brought back to mind that before Bill Clinton came on the scene, when we started to vote straight R, both my husband and I were independents. What mattered were policies and integrity, not party affiliation. I like what both he and Gov. Palin have planned for their (hopefully) eventual win. It's a huge task, but I don't believe I've seen a more potentially successful team as these two. Give them a chance indeed!

517 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:20:52am

re: #467 Intrepid

Point already made, I see.

(Gotta get up early to stay ahead of the LGF think-tank, and even then...)

518 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:22:32am

And good afternoon to aussiemagpie...

519 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:25:00am

re: #514 yma o hyd

Hi!
No - its been chucking it down overnight, then it eases off a bit to a gentle drizzle, and then the clouds burst again, as just now. Its like a monsoon - one can't see to the end of the road - but its much colder, alas ...
And the next Atlantic Low is starting to roll in over the weekend.
The danger of flooding is very high, because the rivers are full after a very wet and gloomy summer - the ground is saturated, agricultural shows are called off - and I have severe doubts that we'll get a good game of Rugby tomorrow - it'll be a mudbath!
(Not that our boyos and the Irish team don't know how to play in the mud, teeheehee!)


Oh, that doesn't sound good! I'm in the St. Louis area, between the Mississippi and Missouri rivers, and we had very bad flooding this past spring. Levees broke and a nearby field was underwater for weeks. We finally dried out, then got clobbered for the past two days with the remnents of Gustav. It could have been much worse, though. Hope you get a respite soon!

520 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:27:21am

re: #509 Sharmuta

That is a very good reason - but, as an outsider who can't vote, I've been looking at the two personalities, B0 and McCain.
B0 has from the start aroused my deepest suspicions, perhaps because we've had a similar charmer with brilliant personality dazzling the country into voting for him - Tony Blair. The neostalinist agenda of his and his party (NuLab) was very much better hidden though than is that of B0's, so we fell for him ... and you all know what the UK now looks like!

I didn't know much about McCain - but then I read his book, and his striking honesty just shone through. as with his love for his country - its something you cannot fake, even by using the best of spin doctors and ghost writers.

In the end, beyond political programmes, it comes down to the question - are you going to trust the candidate to do what he proposes doing?
I wouldn't trust B0 as far as I can throw him - but McCain I'd trust to do his very best: honesty, even if sometimes uncomfortable, is always trustworthy.

521 Luigi  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:28:38am

Obama to employ Uncle Tom women to spearhead sexist attack on Palin.

[Link: ap.google.com...]

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Barack Obama's campaign plans to employ high-profile female supporters in an effort to blunt GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's potential to persuade women to vote Republican.

Here's Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius tommin' it up with the meme that women are too stupid to write their own speeches..

"She mastered the words written by the Bush speechwriters and delivered them well." Sebelius told reporters.

Nice work, little Kathleen. /*pats her on a$$/*

522 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:29:34am

Good morning, Lizards.

did y'all see that Heart is protesting the use of thier dong, "Baracud," at the RNC Convention?

[Link: hotair.com...]

523 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:32:27am

re: #519 scottishbuzzsaw

Oh, that doesn't sound good! I'm in the St. Louis area, between the Mississippi and Missouri rivers, and we had very bad flooding this past spring. Levees broke and a nearby field was underwater for weeks. We finally dried out, then got clobbered for the past two days with the remnents of Gustav. It could have been much worse, though. Hope you get a respite soon!

Cripes - I seem to remember some TV images of that flooding - I hope you get to keep dry now!
A lot of money ahs gone into river defenses - and since we've had a barrage built against spring- and storm-tides pressing up the tidal river cardiff is on, things haven't been too bad. so far, ducks haven't yet taken to swim on the football pitches built on the flood plain!

Miss Dog however thinks its horrid - she gave me a look this morning when I tried to get her out ... spoke not just volumes but a whole library!

524 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:33:32am

Bbiab, Lizards - some stuff needs my attention in the house ...

525 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:34:03am

re: #522 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

did y'all see that Heart is protesting the use of thier dong, "Baracud," at the RNC Convention?

[Link: hotair.com...]

Tough cookies for them. As long as the RNC paid the royalties they don't have squat to say about it.

526 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:37:14am

I have an interesting anecdote about how regular people are reacting to Sarah Palin. Yesterday, I was watching her speech on my computer at work. I had the volume cranked up so I didn't miss anything. Along came Joe, the janitor for the office, a union man, immigrant, rough around the edges, a nice guy. We chat often about family, fishing and whatnot. So he stops, and starts watching the speech, "Hey, is that her? Whats his name's running mate? " Then Palin cracks her joke about the hockey moms and Joe cracks up laughing. "She's just like my wife! I tell ya, ya don't wanna mess with her." He stayed and watched the whole speech. He loved the bit about politicians who say one thing in Scranton and another in San Fransisco.

"You know what, she's alright!"

I think that's how it's going to go for the election. Obama will get the media & academia vote, and the Black vote, but that won't be enough. McCain & Palin will get the conservatives, the union men, the hockey moms, the pissed-off Hilary supporters, and most everybody else in the middle.

527 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:38:04am

re: #518 Dar ul Harb

And good afternoon to aussiemagpie...

Hello from me on a wet Sydney Friday evening

528 Luigi  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:38:38am

From that same story I quoted in #521, here's a whopper of a sexist gaffe from Obama...

"I think she's got a compelling story, but I assume that she wants to be treated the same way that guys want to be treated, which means that their records are under scrutiny," Obama told reporters in York.

What does that mean?!

Is he saying he normally holds women in politics to a seperate standard? That's like saying about an Hispanic candidate: "I assume he wants to be treated like an American, rather than a Mexican."

529 bigmacdaddy  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:39:01am

re: #525 galloping granny

Good afternoon all...

I heard that playing in the background as the festivities were winding up. I figured we'd be hearing from them.

Of course, when was the last time we heard from Heart. :-)

530 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:39:09am

re: #523 yma o hyd

Miss Dog however thinks its horrid - she gave me a look this morning when I tried to get her out ... spoke not just volumes but a whole library!

My mutt, a 20-lb. terrier mix who goes by the name of Conan the Librarian, absolutely hates rain too. Doesn't mind snow piled over his head, but rain is just too much.

531 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:42:52am

re: #520 yma o hyd

Interesting observation. Speaking of books, have you read Obama's 2 books about his favourite subject, himself? They reveal more of him that he would really want us to know. He is a man of enormous self-regard, willing to spin his story anyway he can to promote himself.

532 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:44:55am

re: #516 scottishbuzzsaw

Sweetie- I'm a staunch conservative fiscally, and more moderate socially. But I had to agree with McCain when he said the Republicans let us down- they failed the revolution of 96. We sent them there to change how Washington worked, and I'd like to see them get back to that. And if he can lead that charge from the White House, then I'll be happy with a McCain Administration.

re: #526 Kenneth

When I listened to the speech for a second time, I was with an immigrant as well- he liked her too and didn't trust barry. He thought it was appalling about George Obama, and when I said even $5 more a month would help that poor man, he said I was right. Anyways- I think your assessment is spot on- John and Sarah will speak more to the people of America who really make this country what it is.

533 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:47:56am

re: #532 Sharmuta

Contrast the George Obama story with what Cindy McCain has been doing all of her life.

/geez.

534 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:48:02am

re: #529 bigmacdaddy

Good afternoon all...

I heard that playing in the background as the festivities were winding up. I figured we'd be hearing from them.

Of course, when was the last time we heard from Heart. :-)

They should remember that, shouldn't they? Unfortunately for the, once they published that song and put it out for distribution, they have no more control over who uses it than an author can control who reads their book. All they can do is charge royalties.

535 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:49:27am

re: #532 Sharmuta

John and Sarah will speak more to the people of America who really make this country what it is.

What I noticed especially about Palin's speech was she talked with her audience, whereas Obama speaks at them & over them.

Obama's biggest strength, perhaps his only strength, his ability to make a grand speech, is starting to wear on people. He's sounding more & more like an eloquent wanker.

536 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:49:42am

re: #532 Sharmuta

Sharmy, how do I start a "Republican Aid for George Obama" fund? WE publicly send him some money, see, and...

537 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:49:52am

Morning all. I'm wondering, who is McCain's Rove?
If the Palin choice is any indication, they have a few more surprises for Obama.

McCain/ Palin: We don't need no stinkin' October surprise.

538 JSK1121  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:51:23am

Good morning Lizards. So today begins the two month sprint, eh? Let's hope we can emulate the Jamaicans for once, and that they run like the lazy elitists they are.

539 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:52:18am

re: #535 Kenneth

Obama's insecurity showed blatantly in that Mount Olympus set... he's NOT a solid person, and Americans can sniff it out, even if they cannot articulate Obama's weakness...

"That's above my pay-grade..."

"Present!"

540 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:52:38am

re: #536 Karridine

I believe a fund has already been started- I believe jcm has the link- ask him.

541 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:52:42am

re: #532 Sharmuta

Sweetie- I'm a staunch conservative fiscally, and more moderate socially. But I had to agree with McCain when he said the Republicans let us down- they failed the revolution of 96.

That line got a standing O in our living room!
542 JSK1121  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:53:37am

re: #539 Karridine

Obama's insecurity showed blatantly in that Mount Olympus set... he's NOT a solid person, and Americans can sniff it out, even if they cannot articulate Obama's weakness...

"That's above my pay-grade..."

"Present!"

"President Obama, what are you going to do now that Russia has invaded the Ukraine?"

"I'm present, ain't I? What else CAN I do?!"

543 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:54:26am

re: #538 JSK1121

Good morning Lizards. So today begins the two month sprint, eh? Let's hope we can emulate the Jamaicans for once, and that they run like the lazy elitists they are.

No problem. The One has a complete inability to laugh at anything and absolutely MUST respond to everything. He very clearly does not play chess - or poker for that matter. MacSarah will have him right back on the ropes before you can say boo.

544 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:54:55am

re: #533 littleoldlady

Contrast the George Obama story with what Cindy McCain has been doing all of her life.

/geez.

And the young man I was talking to about this was African, so when you hear just how little American money it takes to live well in Africa, it leaves a pretty disgusting impression of barry 0bama.

545 bigmacdaddy  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:55:16am

re: #534 galloping granny
They should. But they probably won't. :-)

546 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:55:21am

re: #541 scottishbuzzsaw

I clapped too.

547 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:57:27am

Whoa, I'm running late! Have a great day!

548 JSK1121  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:58:10am

re: #543 galloping granny

No problem. The One has a complete inability to laugh at anything and absolutely MUST respond to everything. He very clearly does not play chess - or poker for that matter. MacSarah will have him right back on the ropes before you can say boo.

First time a couple of crackas will have a black dude on the ropes since, what, Rocky Marciano? Kelly Pavlik counts I suppose too, but it is a rare situation with this boxing metaphor.

549 Dizzy26  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:59:34am

G'morning lizards

This is probably going to be off topic..not sure cause I haven't read this thread
yet. I'm going to.
Not sure what I'm going to write either.
I discovered LGF 4 years ago, before the 2004 election, and dropped in to read and absorb all the wonderful and witty posts and ideas. thanks to you all.

I have been a Republican since 1960, and never prouder to say that.

But, upon finding out that Charles 'had been' a liberal, I was confused and
didn't ever really understand. After listening to a few 'left' pundits last night, perhaps I can now empathize and relate better to liberals and their ideals.
I hope that's growth.

In 20 days I will be 21 yrs sober. and maybe a bit wiser than 4 years ago,
but my 'blogging' skills and knowledge haven't improved one iota.

Guess I'll drop in occasionally, if allowed, but I realize that my
typing and blogging skills are just never going to enough to 'fit in' and
get comfortable at any blog site.

Please accept my thanks and admiration, to Charles for the privilege
of reading his wonderful blog, and to those of you that have tolerated
my musings and bumblings.

(Oh how I wish my computer could: highlight, strike, italicize like LGF:-)

550 JSK1121  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:02:34am

re: #549 Dizzy26

G'morning lizards

This is probably going to be off topic..not sure cause I haven't read this thread
yet. I'm going to.
Not sure what I'm going to write either.
I discovered LGF 4 years ago, before the 2004 election, and dropped in to read and absorb all the wonderful and witty posts and ideas. thanks to you all.

I have been a Republican since 1960, and never prouder to say that.

But, upon finding out that Charles 'had been' a liberal, I was confused and
didn't ever really understand. After listening to a few 'left' pundits last night, perhaps I can now empathize and relate better to liberals and their ideals.
I hope that's growth.

In 20 days I will be 21 yrs sober. and maybe a bit wiser than 4 years ago,
but my 'blogging' skills and knowledge haven't improved one iota.

Guess I'll drop in occasionally, if allowed, but I realize that my
typing and blogging skills are just never going to enough to 'fit in' and
get comfortable at any blog site.

Please accept my thanks and admiration, to Charles for the privilege
of reading his wonderful blog, and to those of you that have tolerated
my musings and bumblings.

(Oh how I wish my computer could: highlight, strike, italicize like LGF:-)

Congrats on being sober for so long, you're a real trooper (not the kind that tazes their 10 year old son, of course)!

551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:19:09am

re: #19 wee fury

I did. Obama's nose mole (or pimple) stood out starkly.

I have one just like it. Some days its more noticeable than others. Stood out on O'bama on camera last night like they hit it with a highlighter.

552 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:21:07am

Ok, twenty minutes between posts? I'm A.D.D. What do you think the chances are that I'll wait around for...

Hey! Sunrise Earth is on!

553 laZardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:22:17am

re: #552 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lucky, the sun just set over here. q:

/g'devening...

554 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:22:39am

re: #552 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good morning, FBV! Sorry, gotta finish making breakfast...

555 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:27:02am

Good morning all!
Busy day ahead, but at least I am in the office not in the field, so I should be able to check in periodically on the discussions.

OK, everyone wants to know where the candidates stand on same sex marriage, I want to know where they stand on this.

556 1SG(ret)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:27:45am

I'll vote McCain/Palin, because as many pundits have said: "Palin would be a heartbeat away from the Presidency".

Now the thought of Biden being in the same spot just doesn't have the same appeal in my book.

That heartbeat thingy works both ways some seem to forget.

557 spidly  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:28:02am

work

558 laZardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:29:08am

re: #555 Ford_Prefect

It's legal in Spain, that's for sure.

559 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:29:20am

re: #556 1SG(ret)

Yeah, "President Biden" is like saying "President Slugg"

/just ain't got that... catchy ring to it, y'know?

560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:30:15am

re: #559 Karridine

I call him "Obama's Joe Biden"

Say it fast.

561 laZardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:30:45am

re: #559 Karridine

re: #559 Karridine

Yeah, "President Biden" is like saying "President Plug"

Ring'd?

562 laZardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:30:55am

re: #561 laZardo

PIMF on the double "reply".

563 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:30:58am

re: #556 1SG(ret)

I'll vote McCain/Palin, because as many pundits have said: "Palin would be a heartbeat away from the Presidency".

Now the thought of Biden being in the same spot just doesn't have the same appeal in my book.

That heartbeat thingy works both ways some seem to forget.

The thing is though, it is a more valid question for McCain's running mate then Obama's because of his age. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on Palin vs Biden, I'm just saying...

564 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:31:15am

re: #560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can say it quickly, but I don't get the hook, the joke...

565 bigmacdaddy  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:32:07am

Is it just me, or does everyone else see "bin Laden" everytime I see the name "Biden?"

566 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:32:43am

re: #565 bigmacdaddy

Y'ain't the onliest one, MacDaddy!

567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:33:03am

re: #565 bigmacdaddy

Is it just me, or does everyone else see "bin Laden" everytime I see the name "Biden?"

Only when it's by the name Obama.

See Karridine?

568 bigmacdaddy  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:33:20am

re: #566 Karridine

Not that there's much difference. :-)

569 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:34:36am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!
I am sitting in a hotel room in Indianapolis & an overnight storm took out the cable , so no TV. (Sounds like the title to a country song)
I am jusy guessing the Democrat pundits are being very derisive over last night?

570 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:34:54am

re: #558 laZardo

It's legal in Spain, that's for sure.

Can this be far behind?

571 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:36:28am

re: #568 bigmacdaddy

Obama "Change we can believe in" HAD a chance to show his commitment to change in his FIRST presidential decision, his choice of VP...

And WHO did Barack "Change" Obama choose? Same-old insider Biden!

McCain BLOWS HIM OUTTA THE WATER with Palin! For a change!

/and I can BELIEVE he did it, cuz he DID IT! :D

572 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:38:41am

re: #570 Ford_Prefect

Can this be far behind?

Ohno, chimps on ponies

573 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:40:05am

OMG! I just asked Andrea Mitchell in person why the networks weren't discussing George Obama. She said, "who?"

574 bigmacdaddy  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:41:21am

Did anyone else happen to catch the Redskin/Giants game last night?

I ask because they were playing it this morning over here, and Brian Williams did a little segment on the convention at halftime. I swear I heard him say, "and if I may say it...go blue."

It wouldn't surprise me if he really said it...but that takes some serious balls.

575 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:41:49am

re: #535 Kenneth

What I noticed especially about Palin's speech was she talked with her audience, whereas Obama speaks at them & over them.

Obama's biggest strength, perhaps his only strength, his ability to make a grand speech, is starting to wear on people. He's sounding more & more like an eloquent wanker.

Good Morning, Lizards. On the One....he seems to be eloquent, but if you actually listen, his speech patterns are so convoluted, it's difficult to know what he said. Typical liberal debate nonsense. I watched him on O'Reilly last night, talked in circles. Haltingly. It's very maddening. You need a better attention span than I've got to follow his thought.

576 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:42:19am

re: #571 Karridine

Obama "Change we can believe in" HAD a chance to show his commitment to change in his FIRST presidential decision, his choice of VP...

And WHO did Barack "Change" Obama choose? Same-old insider Biden!

McCain BLOWS HIM OUTTA THE WATER with Palin! For a change!

/and I can BELIEVE he did it, cuz he DID IT! :D

Hi and you're right on the money! How can Obama supporters argue with this?

577 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:42:26am

re: #573 Sharmuta

A lot of iggorunts out there, Sharmy...

578 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:42:59am

re: #577 Karridine

A lot of iggorunts out there, Sharmy...

But she's one with NBC.

579 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:43:24am

re: #576 aussiemagpie

I signed up for emails from Dhimmocrats, and they DON"T argue with this, they just call it 'lying' and 'attacking', Magpie!

580 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:43:59am

I just realized...

Sarah Palin vs. Hillary Clinton in 2012.

/this oughta be fuuuunnnnnn~

581 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:44:23am

re: #578 Sharmuta

Should know better? I can't get ABC here, Sharmy, don't know the whole context, but if she's a talking head, she's sadly uninformed!

582 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:44:57am

re: #535 Kenneth

What I noticed especially about Palin's speech was she talked with her audience, whereas Obama speaks at them & over them.

Obama's biggest strength, perhaps his only strength, his ability to make a grand speech, is starting to wear on people. He's sounding more & more like an eloquent wanker.


Obama is th guy who comes in to do the power point presentation & says to hold your questions until he is finished. He can't do anything spontaneous

583 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:46:00am

re: #581 Karridine

Andrea Mitchell

584 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:47:47am

re: #582 opnion

Obama is th guy who comes in to do the power point presentation & says to hold your questions until he is finished. He can't do anything spontaneous

Which, from a neurologist and teacher's point of view, means he does not UNDERSTAND what he's presenting, only holding it in temporary memorized parts of gray-matter!

Obama hasn't INTERNALIZED the realities of which he seeks to speak... or manipulate...

585 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:49:44am

re: #583 Sharmuta

EEK! We share the same birthdate...

/she's better-looking than I am, Sharmuta....

586 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:51:31am

re: #585 Karridine

I'd still take you over her, Karridine.

587 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:51:38am

re: #583 Sharmuta

Andrea Mitchell

Is it just me, or does she kind of look like the Joker in that picture?

588 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:51:53am

Didya all hear that Obama is sending Hillary out to stump for him in a big way now? Doncha know she is seeing her future slipping away? Until Wed. night, she thought she could wait it out and step in next election either way, no matter who won.
*why does the the scene in the "Wizard Of Oz" come to mind..."I'm mellllllllltiiiiinnnnnnnngggggggggggg!

589 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:53:03am

re: #587 Ford_Prefect

I won't go there, but I'd love to see the George Obama story hit the msm they way the Palin baby smear did.

590 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:53:25am

re: #588 Beach Lover

Didya all hear that Obama is sending Hillary out to stump for him in a big way now? Doncha know she is seeing her future slipping away? Until Wed. night, she thought she could wait it out and step in next election either way, no matter who won.
*why does the the scene in the "Wizard Of Oz" come to mind..."I'm mellllllllltiiiiinnnnnnnngggggggggggg!

You know that she will be livid if another woman becomes the first female VP or Pres. Kind of gives me a warm fuzzy feeling just thinking about it.

591 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:54:26am

re: #589 Sharmuta

I won't go there, but I'd love to see the George Obama story hit the msm they way the Palin baby smear did.

Do you believe in fairy tales? How about about Santa Claus?

//

592 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:54:41am

re: #586 Sharmuta

Yeah, she seems to be enamored of asking gadfly-questions, NOT for the answers, but for the gadfly effect...

593 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:55:16am

re: #590 Ford_Prefect

You know that she will be livid if another woman becomes the first female VP or Pres. Kind of gives me a warm fuzzy feeling just thinking about it.

No- she needs obama to lose if she's going to run in 2012. She hasn't got forever to become President you know- it's like her Presidential clock is ticking.

594 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:55:22am

re: #579 Karridine

I signed up for emails from Dhimmocrats, and they DON"T argue with this, they just call it 'lying' and 'attacking', Magpie!

Lying and attacking - how the left operates in a sea of cognitive dissonance

How's the situation in Thailand?

595 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:55:45am

re: #588 Beach Lover

Advisers to Mrs. Clinton said that she stood ready to help the Obama-Biden ticket, but they urged the campaign not to overestimate the impact Mrs. Clinton could have, noting that she had other commitments this fall, like campaigning and raising money for Senate candidates.


....shoulda turned over that email list barry..............

596 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:58:56am

re: #594 aussiemagpie

Not over yet, Aussie... The Prime Minister is roundly disliked BUT he was elected BY THE PEOPLE in what may have been a fair election, but which SOME Thais say was rigged... somehow...

And huge rains have dumped 2 days worth on The Mob, tough tiddy... If Thais give license to The Mob, that makes it twice, and sets DANGEROUS precedent, as The Mob would effectively have more power than the Government or the King...

LOTSA behind-the-scenes stuff, as I type...

597 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:59:24am

re: #584 Karridine

Which, from a neurologist and teacher's point of view, means he does not UNDERSTAND what he's presenting, only holding it in temporary memorized parts of gray-matter!

Obama hasn't INTERNALIZED the realities of which he seeks to speak... or manipulate...

In my experience, the trick to speaking before groups is to know the material one is presenting. It's easy to read from notes but speaking without is much more difficult (I rarely use notes in classes I've taught frequently). Know the limits of one's expertise and experience. And be willing to admit when you don't know the answer to something (easier for a prof than a pol, I suppose).

I always heard that one should keep one's head straight up during job interviews, as having the head cocked to one side or the other was often construed by the interviewer as a sign of confusion or lack of intelligence. During the Saddleback thing a few weeks back, Obama had his head cocked over to the right the entire time. Made him look like an idiot...

598 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:00:28am

re: #597 christheprofessor

Roger THAT (Obama's cocked head = 'idiot')

599 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:01:00am

re: #587 Ford_Prefect

Hey! Nobody's Cadillac-perfect.

600 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:02:22am

re: #590 Ford_Prefect
It's just like the Clarence Thomas hearings...the Dems true colors come out on minorities when they are threatened from the right. They have tried to smear this good woman with the help from the media. It's too bad we didn't have the internet back then.
This election has the potential to blow the lid off everything the left holds dear to them. And it's about time.

601 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:02:39am

re: #588 Beach Lover

Didya all hear that Obama is sending Hillary out to stump for him in a big way now? Doncha know she is seeing her future slipping away? Until Wed. night, she thought she could wait it out and step in next election either way, no matter who won.
*why does the the scene in the "Wizard Of Oz" come to mind..."I'm mellllllllltiiiiinnnnnnnngggggggggggg!

She's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. If Obama wins, then she waits until '16, presumably. But if McCain wins (and he sticks to his statement about serving only one term), then she faces Palin in '12. Either way, she loses...

602 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:03:46am

re: #597 christheprofessor

Same here; know my stuff, focus on 2-3 KEY points for the 50-minute hour, and deliver MY part in 20-25, then handle clarifying questions for the remainder...

"I'm not sure of that, but I can get it for you by next class." (several times, for me, Chris, not often but on occasion... sharp students!)

603 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:03:48am

re: #535 Kenneth

Heh. You said "wanker".

604 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:04:38am
605 willowone  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:05:59am

re: #588 Beach Lover
just readign that article in NY times now, funny, i would think if she had any pride she'd refuse, Obamas party ripped her and her constituents throughout his campaign, it would be a slap in the face to her supporters and would make her seem like a battered wife, also did you note this statement..
will serve as a counterpoint to the searing attacks and fresh burst of energy that Ms. Palin INjected into the race with her convention speech on Wednesday, Obama aides said.

she INJECTED?

606 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:07:37am

re: #602 Karridine

Same here; know my stuff, focus on 2-3 KEY points for the 50-minute hour, and deliver MY part in 20-25, then handle clarifying questions for the remainder...

"I'm not sure of that, but I can get it for you by next class." (several times, for me, Chris, not often but on occasion... sharp students!)

Sometimes when asked a question I don't immediately know the answer to, I'll do a quick search on the Web while the class looks on. We often learn related things that are interesting and useful while getting to the answer to the original question.

607 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:07:42am

Have a great day guys, as for me, I am heading to the McCain office in Independence Missouri to get my signs, stickers and volunteer information!
Be back later to report

608 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:12:40am

re: #606 christheprofessor

Wow! Cool...

I hope THAT's the way collegiate and post-primary education is heading... shared learning, because there's SO MUCH happening daily, Chris!

609 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:14:37am

re: #606 christheprofessor

With due respect, Sir, what I really like about that is your willingness to stand, a learned but NOT ALL-KNOWING professor, humble enough to say, "Dunno, let's check it out..." :D

610 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:15:06am

re: #606 christheprofessor

Sometimes when asked a question I don't immediately know the answer to, I'll do a quick search on the Web while the class looks on. We often learn related things that are interesting and useful while getting to the answer to the original question.

Don't you understand that as a professor you are never supposed to admit that you don't know something? Ask Obama. If you don't know the answer then make one up that sounds good.

//

611 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:15:27am

Good morning Lizards.......

612 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:15:43am

re: #593 Sharmuta

I have to respectfully disagree. And that only changed after Palin was given a chance to speak Wednesday night. If Obama loses, the country gets to see Palin for at least 4 years in the White House. Hillary will be back to the senate where she isn't even the only woman. She had her shot, and Obama could have had her as VP. He blew it (thankfully), and now there's a new woman getting all the attention. Hillary looks old and frankly, shows there never was anything to her except she married BJ and put up with his crap all these years. She comes off looking weak.

613 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:19:01am

re: #612 Beach Lover

IMHO Palin will get 8 years as POTUS & will be the US Maggie Thatcher.

& after all she described herself as a 'pit bull with lipstick'.

The country could use that.

614 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:20:38am

re: #611 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards.......


Good Morning Dorian..How are you today?
Coffee?

615 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:21:09am

re: #611 doriangrey

Morning Dorian...

616 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:21:10am

re: #611 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards.......


Good morning! How are you today, dorian? HH is here!

617 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:22:33am

re: #609 Karridine

Thank you very kindly to both comments...

re: #610 Ford_Prefect

Heh. The good ones can sense when you are BSing them. The rest -- not so much.

619 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:25:42am

Well, it looks like Hannah's farthest tentacles have arrived -- yesterday was beautiful, almost completly sunny and some white clouds. Today -- gray and threatening rain at any moment.

I guess I should head out and get those supplies I've been putting off getting.

BBIAB

620 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:25:54am

How did everyone like the convention last night?

621 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:26:05am

re: #613 Ojoe

IMHO Palin will get 8 years as POTUS & will be the US Maggie Thatcher.

& after all she described herself as a 'pit bull with lipstick'.

The country could use that.


I agree! If people were honest, we'd rather have her as POTUS now! Character counts... and we have 2 candidates (McCain-Palin)that has it in spades.

622 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:26:39am

re: #616 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning! How are you today, dorian? HH is here!

Hey There Buzzsaw..How is the weather today in your neck of the woods?

623 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:27:07am

re: #618 Ojoe

Over at the Anchoress, she describes Palin as the "alpha female grizzly" Ha!


From your link:

He doesn’t get the fact that Palin’s gender is secondary or even tertiary to why she has the GOP energized out of its collective mind. It’s what she IS, and what she DOES and what she BELIEVES and what she SAYS, and how she doesn’t just talk it, she WALKS it.

Oh, absolutely...Obama doesn't understand this kind of person at all.

624 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:27:32am

re: #596 Karridine

Not over yet, Aussie... The Prime Minister is roundly disliked BUT he was elected BY THE PEOPLE in what may have been a fair election, but which SOME Thais say was rigged... somehow...

And huge rains have dumped 2 days worth on The Mob, tough tiddy... If Thais give license to The Mob, that makes it twice, and sets DANGEROUS precedent, as The Mob would effectively have more power than the Government or the King...

LOTSA behind-the-scenes stuff, as I type...

Weren't coup détats in Thailand an annual event a few years back?
I'm reading a biagraphy of Neil Davis, Aussie cameraman who covered the Vietnam War for years and was killed in Bangkok in 1985 during an attempted coup

Or are these events now just protests?

I hope you and your family stay safe, and that you can get to work soon!

625 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:27:33am

re: #614 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Dorian..How are you today?
Coffee?

Morning Hoops, Coffee, why certainly....

re: #615 Karridine

Morning Dorian...

Good Evening Karridine.....


re: #616 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning! How are you today, dorian? HH is here!


Morning scottishbuzzsaw......Whats that matter? You're looking both nervous and relieved..... Afraid someone might steal borrow some of your coffee? lol...lol...lol... It's ok dude... besides, hoops makes better coffee than you do....

626 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:29:49am

re: #623 scottishbuzzsaw

The Anchoress' blog is in some ways a sister blog to this one IMHO

Same kind of commitment to the truth

627 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:29:56am

re: #625 doriangrey

Morning scottishbuzzsaw......Whats that matter? You're looking both nervous and relieved..... Afraid someone might steal borrow some of your coffee? lol...lol...lol... It's ok dude... besides, hoops makes better coffee than you do....


Ahem, that's 'dudette' to you! Glad to hear you like HH's better, though!

628 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:30:59am

re: #622 HoosierHoops

Hey There Buzzsaw..How is the weather today in your neck of the woods?


Good morning, HH! Overcast still but the rains have let up. How's it going for you?

629 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:31:48am

re: #584 Karridine

Which, from a neurologist and teacher's point of view, means he does not UNDERSTAND what he's presenting, only holding it in temporary memorized parts of gray-matter!

Obama hasn't INTERNALIZED the realities of which he seeks to speak... or manipulate...

That sounds right. His stammering when he is off of script seems like he is buying time to come up with the appropriate answer, not necessarily what he actually believes.

630 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:33:00am

re: #627 scottishbuzzsaw

Ahem, that's 'dudette' to you! Glad to hear you like HH's better, though!

Need coffee today! Was up till like 1am watching the coverage last night.
Songbird jumped on the thread last night to say hello. She has been busy teaching and things are going very well for her.
She is pretty cool for being a teacher.. LOL

631 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:33:51am

re: #626 Ojoe

Again from your link:

Meanwhile, Todd Palin seems unafraid: “If I’d had a crystal ball a few years ago, I might have asked a few more questions when Sarah decided to join the PTA. It wouldn’t have mattered, though; when my wife starts talking about reform, corruption and making government work for the people, it’s just best to get out of the way.”


He's an extraordinary man, isn't he?

632 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:34:18am

re: #627 scottishbuzzsaw

Ahem, that's 'dudette' to you! Glad to hear you like HH's better, though!

Oh... a Lizardette eh...... /Slicks hair back.... Say baby... Come here often..... ;p

634 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:36:15am
635 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:36:17am

re: #632 doriangrey

Oh... a Lizardette eh...... /Slicks hair back.... Say baby... Come here often..... ;p


ROFLMAO! I'm sorry, when you mentioned slicking your hair back, all I could see was little Piper Palin licking her palm and slicking down baby Trig's hair! Probably not the effect you were going for...

636 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:36:25am

re: #624 aussiemagpie

Well, I arrived JUST AFTER the coup-uncouplette in 1985, and didn't PLAN on it, but I've been here since...

No coup, yet, but THAT's what ousting the legally-elected government would amount to, so we're waiting and watching... the 'loyal opposition' is scuttling every compromise the two majors can come up with...

But we're more than 6 kilometers away from the epicenter, so I/we should be pretty safe, THANKS! :D

637 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:36:32am

re: #596 Karridine

Not over yet, Aussie... The Prime Minister is roundly disliked BUT he was elected BY THE PEOPLE in what may have been a fair election, but which SOME Thais say was rigged... somehow...

And huge rains have dumped 2 days worth on The Mob, tough tiddy... If Thais give license to The Mob, that makes it twice, and sets DANGEROUS precedent, as The Mob would effectively have more power than the Government or the King...

LOTSA behind-the-scenes stuff, as I type...

That first part sounds a lot like what happened in the '04 election. Only the President's rival was an aging film star who didn't have an iota of political experience (even Estrada was Mayor, Senator then Vice President!). The election came so furiously close that lots of people thought the President cheated.

Of course, said film star died a few months after, so that silenced the critics pretty quick.

As for "The Mob," I suspect the Thais would rather have the King give license first...

638 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:36:38am

re: #631 scottishbuzzsaw

Sure of himself !

639 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:36:52am

re: #620 HoosierHoops
I was a little dissapointed in McCain's speech. Bad first..He comes off wooden and has the crazy facial ticks. I don't like the way he breaks in with the sudden crazy grin after he says something. He doesn't do well with a teleprompter. He reads then reacts to his words rather than the audience's reaction. The good, he has the right message, glad he praised Bush, overall I don't think people hate Bush the way the left would like the country to think. Most importantly, he choose the right VP! She has sucked all the oxygen out of the Obama campaign.

640 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:38:18am

re: #635 scottishbuzzsaw

ROFLMAO! I'm sorry, when you mentioned slicking your hair back, all I could see was little Piper Palin licking her palm and slicking down baby Trig's hair! Probably not the effect you were going for...

/tongue firmly planted in cheek.... Click my nic..... lol...lol...lol...

641 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:38:38am

re: #638 Ojoe

Sure of himself !


Yes...they both seem sure and forthright and confident and down-to-earth. To say it's refreshing is an understatement.

642 Karridine  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:38:56am

re: #629 opnion

PRECISELY!

If he were to speak his mind, MILLIONS of Americans would hear, "I'm a Marxist-socialist..." and write him off...

Therefore he MUST stammer for time, to come up with an inauthentic but sound-bite answer! You got it!

643 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:38:58am

You guys probably talked about this yesterday when I was AWOL, but did you catch Obama's ad attacking McCain because of his abortion stance? He claimed that McCain's pro-life ideals showed that he was out of touch with women. Does that mean that Palin is also out of touch with women? What about the thousands (maybe millions) of women that agree with them, are they out of touch with women? And of course the msm will not be calling the Obama camp on this.

644 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:39:19am

re: #631 scottishbuzzsaw
You know what they say.."Behind every extraordinary woman....."
:-)

645 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:40:31am

re: #643 Ford_Prefect

Too bad you can't vote before you are born

646 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:40:39am

re: #635 scottishbuzzsaw

ROFLMAO! I'm sorry, when you mentioned slicking your hair back, all I could see was little Piper Palin licking her palm and slicking down baby Trig's hair! Probably not the effect you were going for...

That was a cute moment..Reminded me of when my mom was to do that to me.. I guess you could call it mom's hairspray.

647 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:41:41am

re: #631 scottishbuzzsaw

Again from your link:

He's an extraordinary man, isn't he?


Todd Palin is the guy that Libs have been telling all men that we should be, for as long as I can remember. You know, be secure & unthreatened by a competent woman.
Well he is, but not what they expected. He is not the sensetive type trying to get in touch with his feminine side. Instead he is like Chuck Norris & that is unaaceptable to the left.

648 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:42:09am

re: #644 Beach Lover

You know what they say.."Behind every extraordinary woman....."
:-)


Updated for our times! I like it!

649 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:42:23am

re: #635 scottishbuzzsaw

ROFLMAO! I'm sorry, when you mentioned slicking your hair back, all I could see was little Piper Palin licking her palm and slicking down baby Trig's hair! Probably not the effect you were going for...

Talk about moving fast! You are already talking about kids! :-0

650 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:43:05am

re: #645 Ojoe

Too bad you can't vote before you are born


You can if you move to chicago..

651 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:43:52am

re: #650 HoosierHoops

You can if you move to chicago..

Or vote democrat....

652 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:43:55am

re: #650 HoosierHoops

You can if you move to chicago..

And even after you're dead, too.

653 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:43:57am

BBL

654 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:44:23am

re: #642 Karridine


PRECISELY!

If he were to speak his mind, MILLIONS of Americans would hear, "I'm a Marxist-socialist..." and write him off...

Therefore he MUST stammer for time, to come up with an inauthentic but sound-bite answer! You got it!

Thank you. I really like it when I get it right. I am at my limit for the week.

655 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:45:10am

re: #652 Ford_Prefect

And even after you're dead, too.

It's not a bug..It's a feature.
What up Ford? good morning

656 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:45:35am

re: #650 HoosierHoops

You can if you move to chicago..

And you never miss a vote after death. There is no discrimination against the life challenged.

657 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:45:37am

re: #643 Ford_Prefect

Didn't see the ad, but I did have to grapple through a thread that says Sarah has no right to preach family values with a situation like hers.

/still facepalming.

658 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:46:35am

re: #644 Beach Lover

You know what they say.."Behind every extraordinary woman....."
:-)

or..
Behind every successful man is an exhausted woman.

659 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:47:19am

re: #656 opnion

And you never miss a vote after death. There is no discrimination against the life challenged.

We wont even go into the fact that Democrat also encourage their pets to vote............

660 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:48:41am

re: #646 HoosierHoops
I about fell out of my chair when they showed that! It is one image worth a million words and won over the hearts of many, without spending a dime.

661 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:48:48am

re: #659 doriangrey

We wont even go into the fact that Democrat also encourage their pets to vote............


Actually, my dog is very smart, way smarter than me. I think that I would let her vote.

662 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:48:59am

re: #636 Karridine

Earlier this week, some Aussies couldn't leave Phuket because of the protests - eventually a plane was chartered to get them home - on arrival a few people interviewed said they didn't mind at all being stuck in Thailand

663 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:49:00am

re: #652 Ford_Prefect

It's called the prenatal-posthumously policy.

664 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:49:20am

re: #611 doriangrey

Have you vetted the Vet yet?

/I've been wanting to ask that.

665 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:50:30am

re: #658 HoosierHoops

I feel Eurythmic about now.

666 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:51:12am

re: #664 Cap'n DOC

Have you vetted the Vet yet?

/I've been wanting to ask that.

Yup, and I am damned certain she/it's a democrat.... Because every time I turn around she/it is TAXING the living crap out of me.... :O

667 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:51:17am

re: #659 doriangrey

We wont even go into the fact that Democrat also encourage their pets to vote............

I don't have an issue with dogs voting cause you know they are going to vote for whomever you tell them..Cats on the other hand will tell you one thing but do another...That look they give you when they leave the booth is like.. yea buddy..i showed you..I know they pressed the demo button but they swear they voted GOP. You just can't trust em..
/ too much coffee?

668 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:52:09am

re: #660 Beach Lover

I about fell out of my chair when they showed that! It is one image worth a million words and won over the hearts of many, without spending a dime.

It was great..and it wasn't scripted!

669 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:53:11am

I hope that Jimmy Carter was not to offended that McCain talked about his POW experience last night. Carter has critcised him before for 'Milking " it.
Funny Carter had no complaints about Rambo Kerry droning on & on about his manufactured exploits.

670 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:53:19am

re: #667 HoosierHoops

I don't have an issue with dogs voting cause you know they are going to vote for whomever you tell them..Cats on the other hand will tell you one thing but do another...That look they give you when they leave the booth is like.. yea buddy..i showed you..I know they pressed the demo button but they swear they voted GOP. You just can't trust em..
/ too much coffee?

Yup, to much coffee.... I have a cat, and she would vote for anyone I asked her to, so long as she got her belly rubbed afterwords....

671 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:54:36am

Good 'mornin. who has the warm donuts?


DEVO - I believe in de-evolution. Michael Moore is proof.

672 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:54:37am

re: #667 HoosierHoops

I don't have an issue with dogs voting cause you know they are going to vote for whomever you tell them..Cats on the other hand will tell you one thing but do another...That look they give you when they leave the booth is like.. yea buddy..i showed you..I know they pressed the demo button but they swear they voted GOP. You just can't trust em..
/ too much coffee?

Oh man did you nail it. Dogs are loyal & true. Cats on the other hand want to murder you in your sleep.

673 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:54:43am

re: #669 opnion

I hope that Jimmy Carter was not to offended that McCain talked about his POW experience last night. Carter has critcised him before for 'Milking " it.
Funny Carter had no complaints about Rambo Kerry droning on & on about his manufactured exploits.

To quote Theodore Nugent, Jimmy Carter can suck my Glock....

674 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:55:39am

re: #658 HoosierHoops

that's true, too! LOL BTW, I was born and raised in Indiana. Have moved around the country since leaving Purdue, but my feet have roots in that rich farmland. (Ohhhh, the smell of new mown hay!)
*don't miss the winters so much, tho :-)

675 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:56:07am

re: #655 HoosierHoops

It's not a bug..It's a feature.
What up Ford? good morning

Morning HH. Busy busy, but will try to check in periodically.

676 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:57:09am

Looks like more people tuned into McCain than Obama. developing.

677 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:57:50am

re: #671 FrogMarch

Good 'mornin. who has the warm donuts?


DEVO - I believe in de-evolution. Michael Moore is proof.

Morning Frog... That would definitely be scottishbuzzsaw, she's a donut girl of the highest caliber.... Oh and on a side note, one of the guys that work for me brought in some Caribou sausage yesterday.... Holy cow was that stuff GOOOOOOD.......... Caribou has just been added to my list of tasty animals I need to eat more of....

678 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:58:03am

re: #665 lazardo

I feel Eurythmic about now.

LaZardo!
--00--
/terrorist fist bump
what up? how did the testing go for you? exam week used to suck

679 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:59:03am

re: #672 opnion

Oh man did you nail it. Dogs are loyal & true. Cats on the other hand want to murder you in your sleep.

To quote Rachel in "Anne of Green Gables" ~ "Them's the kind that put arsenic in the well."

(please don't tell my cat-loving daughter-in-law!)

680 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:59:08am

re: #678 HoosierHoops

LaZardo!
--00--
/terrorist fist bump
what up? how did the testing go for you? exam week used to suck

We used to call it hell week, for rather obvious reasons.....

681 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:59:15am

re: #678 HoosierHoops

Only one final exam in the "proper" sense, the rest were handing in final projects for classes.

3.333 GPA, so I'm at least on the Dean's List for this term. Here we have Trimesters instead of Semesters. =_=

On the not-so-bright side, school resumes Monday. D:

682 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:59:50am

re: #676 FrogMarch

Looks like more people tuned into McCain than Obama. developing.

Wondering if Obamas Styrofoam Greek columns are available for rental for backyard barbeque's

683 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:01:10am

re: #682 opnion

Wondering if Obamas Styrofoam Greek columns are available for rental for backyard barbeque's

Maybe I could get the Lizards to take up a collection for my next CD, if I promised to rent them and use them in a video.... :O lol...lol...lol...

684 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:01:26am

re: #671 FrogMarch

Good 'mornin. who has the warm donuts?


DEVO - I believe in de-evolution. Michael Moore is proof.


I always thought Michael Moore was pre-evolution... ?

685 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:02:18am

re: #679 scottishbuzzsaw

To quote Rachel in "Anne of Green Gables" ~ "Them's the kind that put arsenic in the well."

(please don't tell my cat-loving daughter-in-law!)

Remember how Lassie saved Grandpa from being crushed under the tractor every other week? If Lassie had been a cat, Grandpa would have been toast. She would have just sat ther smirking , licking her paw.

686 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:02:24am

re: #682 opnion

Wondering if Obamas Styrofoam Greek columns are available for rental for backyard barbeque's

Backyard barbeque and Styrofoam.
Watch out Styrofoam is highly flammable.

687 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:03:33am

re: #657 lazardo

Didn't see the ad, but I did have to grapple through a thread that says Sarah has no right to preach family values with a situation like hers.

/still facepalming.

They don't seem to understand that standing by your 17 year old daughter in a very difficult time while teaching her to face the consequences of her actions, and getting past all that to then recognize the miracle that birth is, actually is family value. Of course they would have just told the girl to get an abortion and then go get some condoms for next time.

688 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:03:49am

re: #686 callahan23

Backyard barbeque and Styrofoam.
Watch out Styrofoam is highly flammable.

Well all necessary saftey precautions, of course.

689 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:05:03am

re: #676 FrogMarch

Looks like more people tuned into McCain than Obama. developing.

Your guess is spot on.

690 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:05:08am

OK my lizard friends, time once again for me to head off to work, those goberment mind control devices wont make themselves ya know....

691 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:07:01am

re: #685 opnion

Remember how Lassie saved Grandpa from being crushed under the tractor every other week? If Lassie had been a cat, Grandpa would have been toast. She would have just sat ther smirking , licking her paw.

yea.. the cat is thinking one less mouth to feed..
/Boy am i in trouble when goddess reads this. :)

692 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:07:11am

re: #690 doriangrey

Have a good one!

693 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:07:36am

re: #688 opnion

Well then go ahead. But, on second thought is that gonna be a toga party then?

694 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:07:43am

re: #690 doriangrey

Cheers. Every loyal Zionist has to earn their check. q:

695 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:08:28am

re: #687 Ford_Prefect

Said poster also added that "Teen marriages never last."

/small wonder why I see little hope for the world...

696 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:08:33am

re: #690 doriangrey

OK my lizard friends, time once again for me to head off to work, those goberment mind control devices wont make themselves ya know....

TGIF Dorian..have a good day.
/ in paradise...grrrrr

697 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:08:40am

re: #575 Beach Lover

....he seems to be eloquent, but if you actually listen, his speech patterns are so convoluted, it's difficult to know what he said. ...talked in circles. Haltingly. It's very maddening. You need a better attention span than I've got to follow his thought.

Either that or some weed and a little blow.

698 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:08:45am
699 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:09:16am

re: #691 HoosierHoops

yea.. the cat is thinking one less mouth to feed..
/Boy am i in trouble when goddess reads this. :)


Uh oh...I take it the goddess loves kitties? Is she into lightning retribution?

700 realwest  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:09:20am

Good morning all y'all, from a cool (65 degrees, going up to 88 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Tropical storm warnings are in effect for us from TS Hanna for this afternoon/evening through tomorrow morning and they are "anticipating" perhaps 3"-6" of rain here.

I hope you all are doing well this morning!

701 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:10:52am

re: #700 realwest

Good morning all y'all, from a cool (65 degrees, going up to 88 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Tropical storm warnings are in effect for us from TS Hanna for this afternoon/evening through tomorrow morning and they are "anticipating" perhaps 3"-6" of rain here.

I hope you all are doing well this morning!


Good morning, realwest! How are you doing?

702 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:11:54am

re: #700 realwest

Good morning all y'all, from a cool (65 degrees, going up to 88 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Tropical storm warnings are in effect for us from TS Hanna for this afternoon/evening through tomorrow morning and they are "anticipating" perhaps 3"-6" of rain here.

I hope you all are doing well this morning!

Good Morning Realwest..
Look on the bright side.. You get to boat, fish and swim all in one day..
You can tread water right?
/Wink

703 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:12:13am

re: #700 realwest

>:|

/had an interesting thought though... see my #580

704 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:12:17am

The Democrat Party in an nutshell.

who gonna pay?

705 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:12:39am

Your text to link...Have to go to work also, but leaving with this video, have you seen it yet? Pretty good, but not as good as the other one thats out.

706 itellu3times  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:13:22am

re: #682 opnion

Wondering if Obamas Styrofoam Greek columns are available for rental for backyard barbeque's

Maybe Charles can photoshop them onto his header, add some faux class to the joint!

707 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:13:56am

It seems like a good time to shout:

Moose Crimp!

708 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:14:10am

re: #706 itellu3times

I can imagine it as the background to the Lizard Lounge button.

/kickin' back, Pseudo-Parthenon style.

709 sparrowlake  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:15:10am
'Cause there’s a train coming into the station
But it's heading for a new destination

Good morning LGF!

710 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:15:48am

re: #682 opnion

Wondering if Obamas Styrofoam Greek columns are available for rental for backyard barbeque's

For a small fee and transport from Hollywood.

711 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:17:07am

re: #706 itellu3times

Maybe Charles can photoshop them onto his header, add some faux class to the joint!

It would be great to header Barry standing in the columns.

712 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:18:50am

re: #709 sparrowlake

Good morning LGF!

GAH! I still remember the lyrics! You'd think with age I could lose a few memories...;>)

713 jorline  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:19:17am

Good morning Lizards.

Calling all Mooseketeers.

714 itellu3times  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:19:30am

re: #708 lazardo

I can imagine it as the background to the Lizard Lounge button.

/kickin' back, Pseudo-Parthenon style.

Toga!

And, how about a moosehead or two?

715 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:20:02am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I woke up this AM and found myself staring at the NYT metro section, reading about the wonderful Rep from Harlem, Charlie Rangel.

Seems that he's quite fond of trying to soak the rich. However, he also has a thing for avoiding paying taxes on his own income. Seems that he failed to report $75,000 in income from his villa in Punta Cana.

Nice. Demand the rich pay more taxes and increase tax rates on the rich while not paying your own proper share of taxes.

Classy.

716 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:21:02am

re: #714 itellu3times

Lambda Gamma Phi?

/ q;

717 realwest  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:21:46am

re: #701 scottishbuzzsaw

re: #702 HoosierHoops
and
re: #709 sparrowlake

Good morning to each of you (sheesh, I go to the bathroom away for a minute and wham, messages! LOL!)!
My socket and jawbone still hurt, mom and I are prepared for Hanna (we hope) not for Ike yet and while we each know how to swim, if I have to swim more than 10 yards or so, I'll run outta gas. Mom and I are both very de-conditioned because of our various physical problems, that I literally would have trouble walking more than a couple hundred yards or so on dry land! LOL!
Hope you all are alright!

718 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:21:46am

re: #700 realwest

And good morning to you! Fast drive-by, but take care of yourself. Remember - you always get the most beautiful weather after the storm has passed.
/How's that for looking for the pony under a pile of poop?

719 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:23:19am

re: #705 Beach Lover

Your text to link...Have to go to work also, but leaving with this video, have you seen it yet? Pretty good, but not as good as the other one thats out.

Wait a minute,University of Idaho! What no Ivy League?
Why didn't she get a minority set aside like Michelle Obama?

720 realwest  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:23:56am

re: #703 lazardo

Hey laZardo - if they were running NOW, Palin wipes the floor with Clinton. No doubts about it. Way to go with that GPA and Dean's list my friend - show pretty good smarts and, no doubt, hard work on your part!

721 realwest  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:24:12am

BBIAM!

722 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:24:41am

How can anyone say the mainstream media is biased?

723 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:25:03am

Good morning Lizardia!

Why is the man in the bottom photo getting beaten up by masked, peaceful anti-war protestors?

724 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:25:27am

re: #715 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I woke up this AM and found myself staring at the NYT metro section, reading about the wonderful Rep from Harlem, Charlie Rangel.

Seems that he's quite fond of trying to soak the rich. However, he also has a thing for avoiding paying taxes on his own income. Seems that he failed to report $75,000 in income from his villa in Punta Cana.

Nice. Demand the rich pay more taxes and increase tax rates on the rich while not paying your own proper share of taxes.

Classy.

Send the tax cheat to prison!

725 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:26:08am

re: #722 FrogMarch

Well, people have started paying attention, and it would appear that US Weekly isn't going to be getting nearly the circulation it used to get.

Cause. And Effect.

726 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:26:34am

re: #722 FrogMarch

How can anyone say the mainstream media is biased?

Scum.

727 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:27:12am

re: #724 Ward Cleaver

You know that wont happen. He's going to submit amended federal returns for all the years involved, work out a way not to pay federal tax, and then pay state tax plus interest owed on those taxes.

And his constituents will once again shrug their shoulders and go to the polls to reelect him handily.

728 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:27:15am
729 3 wood  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:27:45am

re: #700 realwest

Good Morning real.

Nice game by the Giants last night. Good way to start off the season.

Note to Redskins fans, it's going to be a long year on defense for your team. For some reason the head coach and defensive coordinator still don't realize that they are tipping off their blitzes every time by their defensive alignment.
I mean, it's not even close, if you watch how the defense lines up at the line of scrimmage, you can read blitz or no blitz 100% accurately every play. The only QB I know of currently in the NFL who can not read that is Donovan McNabb, and you can't play against him every week, so expect to bet burned regularly on defense.

730 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:27:47am

re: #722 FrogMarch

How can anyone say the mainstream media is biased?


Megyn Kelly on Fox took a guy from US behind the woodshed.

731 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:28:11am

re: #720 realwest

Hey laZardo - if they were running NOW, Palin wipes the floor with Clinton. No doubts about it. Way to go with that GPA and Dean's list my friend - show pretty good smarts and, no doubt, hard work on your part!

Thanks, but I feel like the ant in the grasshopper story...and there are so many versions out where the grasshopper emerges victorious in the winter.

732 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:28:54am

re: #725 lawhawk

Well, people have started paying attention, and it would appear that US Weekly isn't going to be getting nearly the circulation it used to get.

Cause. And Effect.

Justice.

733 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:28:55am

I am an Epileptic on disability and I'm told I'm not allowed to work. Can someone tell me where on this page it says that as an Epileptic, I'm not allowed to work. The compensation I get from disability is the equivalent of living on welfare for the rest of my life. I'm about ready to tell my Dr to take me off of disability because being broke all the time sucks.

734 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:29:16am

re: #730 opnion

Megyn Kelly on Fox took a guy from US behind the woodshed.

And kicked his weenie ass.

735 sparrowlake  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:30:08am

re: #712 scottishbuzzsaw

GAH! I still remember the lyrics! You'd think with age I could lose a few memories...;>)

LOL. Too bad we can't TRAIN our memories to forget things more selectively.

736 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:30:08am

re: #719 opnionAnd didn't you hear Andrea Mitchell?! Shje said Sarah will appeal to the "uneducated" women. well, count me as uneducated, I guess.
What an ASS!

737 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:30:22am

re: #723 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Good morning Lizardia!

Why is the man in the bottom photo getting beaten up by masked, peaceful anti-war protestors?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the man was attacked by the "peaceful anti-war protesters" because he was carrying a sign supporting the troops.

738 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:31:12am

re: #734 Ward Cleaver

And kicked his weenie ass.

She did. The guy just sat there with a stupid grin & a nervous laugh.
His defense was that they did not have enough space to inlude all of the facts.

739 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:31:43am

re: #736 Beach Lover

And didn't you hear Andrea Mitchell?! Shje said Sarah will appeal to the "uneducated" women. well, count me as uneducated, I guess.
What an ASS!

She's a snob, and I can't for the life of me see what Alan Greenspan sees in her. Maybe she's good at some act.

/use your imagination

740 itellu3times  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:33:01am

re: #716 lazardo

Lambda Gamma Phi?

It's Greek to me!

741 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:33:24am

re: #736 Beach Lover
, I guess.
What an ASS!

That's what happens when you marry an old guy who takes four hour bubble baths. You get bitter.
Was she so crtical when Hillary was geeting the high school graduate votes?

742 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:33:38am

re: #739 Ward Cleaver

She's a snob, and I can't for the life of me see what Alan Greenspan sees in her. Maybe she's good at some act.

/use your imagination

I''d rather NOt :-)

743 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:34:15am

re: #730 opnion

Ace has some choice comments about the US magazine cover story.

Jann Wenner, a no-talent ass-clown best known for running bong ads in a magazine featuring interviews with barely coherent sub-morons finds his second-rate People magazine (think on that) in even more trouble.

744 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:36:25am

I'm off to work...everyone have a great weekend!
{real} sounds like we are gonna miss this one, but look out...Hugo hit on the 22nd of Sept.

745 Jed 1899  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:36:49am

Rise and shine Chas. :-)
We need some red meat.
Top of the mornin' to all the Lizard frat...

746 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:37:02am

Let me ask, is lableing Sarah Palin as White Trash on a par with someone saying that Michelle Obama is you know, kinda Ghetto"?

747 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:37:31am

Oprah doesn't heart Palin.

I would wait for Oprah ask me to come on and then I would decline with a comment that she is an Obama campaign member who can't be trusted to be fair or objective.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Buh-bye, Oprah.

748 Iron Fist  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:37:38am

re: #736 Beach Lover

Liberals consider anyone who isn't a Liberal uneducated no matter how many degrees they have. Liberals are smart people, you must understand. That's why they should be allowed to tell the rest of us how to run our lives.

749 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:38:08am
What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

I am loving this election.

750 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:38:28am

re: #746 opnion

Let me ask, is lableing Sarah Palin as White Trash on a par with someone saying that Michelle Obama is you know, kinda Ghetto"?

Can I call Obama a mulatto now?

/sarc

751 sparrowlake  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:38:55am

re: #717 realwest

Hi real.
Try one of these. I hear tell they work real well if you're running out of steam.

752 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:39:18am

re: #748 Iron Fist

In another time, in another place, that was known as fascism.

753 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:39:20am

re: #743 Kenneth

Ace has some choice comments about the US magazine cover story.

Michelle's Campaign Style
Mrs. Obama kept it simple and chic...

"Her style can best be described as timeless"...

"Mrs. Obama possesses a natural and unpretentious sophistication...."

Michelle has "the grace and beauty of a dancer..."


Ace: Yes, and the forehead ridges of a Klingon bat'leth warrior.


ROFLMAO!

754 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:39:32am

Good Morning Lizards!

How was McCain's speech last night? I missed it, as I was in New York partying with Brazilian super-hotties.
Seriously, I was.

755 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:39:37am

re: #747 Noam Chumpski

Oprah doesn't heart Palin.

I would wait for Oprah ask me to come on and then I would decline with a comment that she is an Obama campaign member who can't be trusted to be fair or objective.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Buh-bye, Oprah.

Oprah is now & always has been an annoying twit.

756 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:40:46am

re: #734 Ward Cleaver

re: #730 opnion

Megyn Kelly on Fox took a guy from US behind the woodshed.

MMMhm! .....Oh! Sorry, I drifted off there for a second. What are we talking about?

757 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:41:19am

re: #730 opnion

Megyn Kelly on Fox took a guy from US behind the woodshed.

what did he have to say? probably uh uhh uhhhh uhhhhhhh uhhhh - just like his master Obama. the uhhh uhhh uhhhhhh dude.

the left don't have answers -they just have dirty tricks.

758 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:41:44am

re: #695 lazardo

Said poster also added that "Teen marriages never last."

/small wonder why I see little hope for the world...

Unfortunately teen pregnancies tend to be even shorter these days.

759 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:41:56am

re: #750 Noam Chumpski

Can I call Obama a mulatto now?

/sarc


That is my point , both comments would be widely condemned. However the media types have no problem making snarky, White Trash comments about the Palins. Five kids does not render anyone White Trash.

760 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:43:30am

re: #759 opnion

That
is my point , both comments would be widely condemned. However the
media types have no problem making snarky, White Trash comments about
the Palins. Five kids does not render anyone White Trash.

I stuffed myself into a Hefty bag one Halloween & went as "White Trash."

761 realwest  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:44:37am

re: #729 3 wood
Hey good morning my friend! I was pleased with the Giant's performance, though Eli was a little bit "rusty" or something but love our running game and our defense.
Course, don't know how good our "D" will be against a team with a real offense and we have to improve our special teams play, but it was only the first game and it was good to win it, especially against a division rival!
Oh and btw, please check your e-mail when you get a chance!

762 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:44:38am

I readn in the WaPo this morning that Todd Palin turns out to be a funny guy. This could be a lot of fun before its over. Anything to counter the Obamanator's sour puss.

763 Iron Fist  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:44:53am

re: #752 unreconstructed rebel

Yep. Marxists refer to them as the Revolutionary vanguard. Traditionally, after the Revolution, most of them get stood against a wall and shot. I don't think the Andrea Mitchells of this world have quite figured that part out.

764 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:45:09am

readn - PIMF

765 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:45:11am

re: #757 FrogMarch

what did he have to say? probably uh uhh uhhhh uhhhhhhh uhhhh - just like his master Obama. the uhhh uhhh uhhhhhh dude.

the left don't have answers -they just have dirty tricks.

Oh man, the guy was lame. He actually said that the "Lies" on the cover referred to leftie blogs & that they pointed it out in the story.
Megyn Kelly said that 'I read it. you did not say that."
He then said that there was not enough room. It was humorous but pathetic.

766 yochanan  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:45:30am

re: #754 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

hetro or trannies?

just kidding

767 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:46:09am

re: #761 realwest

Hey good morning my friend! I was pleased with the Giant's performance, though Eli was a little bit "rusty" or something but love our running game and our defense.
Course, don't know how good our "D" will be against a team with a real offense and we have to improve our special teams play, but it was only the first game and it was good to win it, especially against a division rival!
Oh and btw, please check your e-mail when you get a chance!

Whoa! backup Real. You are not a Panthers fan?

768 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:46:11am

Look, if Oprah wants to support Obama, that's fine by me. If she wants to alienate a considerable portion of her audience, that too is fine by me.

Who exactly does she think is watching her show? It's many women with kids who might be just a wee bit pissed off the way that the media is in the tank for Obama and who see what Palin is enduring in just this past week as evidence that women are treated differently than men and it just isn't right.

Palin wants to be seen as a hockey mom, which is fine, even though she's so much more. That's the persona that works for her, but in a way it does a disservice to all women. Democrats will try and claim that she's not that - that she's just an ordinary politician in a skirt. They could even have a point about that. But the same could be said of their own candidate in Obama, who achieved the nomination largely on the color of his skin and not on the content of his character. We should judge Palin not only on her femininity but her skills, experience, and judgment. To date, I think we've got an idea on the content of her character, and it seems fine. We'll know more in the next two months as the candidates debate and provide more insight into what they will do.

It's on that latter point that I find the Obama campaign highly offensive.

769 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:46:37am

re: #766 yochanan

hetro or trannies?

just kidding

I'm sure OR could teach me to say that in flawless Portuguese.

770 Miss Trixie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:47:15am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Thank goodness it's the end of the workweek because I'm beat trying to work after staying up all hours of the night listening to speeches 'n' stuff. :D Well done, John & Sarah - I'm absolutely thrilled.

Too bad I can't vote. Speaking of voting, it looks like Prime Minister Harper will be asking the Governor General to dissolve Parliament so that means we'll have an election on October 14.

*Dear Lord, please help Canadians to see the light and vote Mr. Harper into a majority so that he can continue his promised conservative mandate. Amen* *Oh, yeah, while I'm at it, Lord, could you please see fit to kick Stephan Dion in the a** for me? Amen.*

{realwest} Good morning luv *smoochie* Glad to know you're feeling better *hug*. Surely there are folks with resources that can assist you and your Mom in the event of a hurricane? =O

{Hoosier} and cat lovers ROTFLMAO! :D

771 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:47:56am

re: #762 unreconstructed rebel

I readn in the WaPo this morning that Todd Palin turns out to be a funny guy. This could be a lot of fun before its over. Anything to counter the Obamanator's sour puss.


The Palins seem like the All American family, sent over from Central Casting. The little girl is a star.

772 realwest  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:48:27am

re: #733 sngnsgt Hey, I didn't even read that page; I'm on Social Security Disability Income - which actually does pay about what welfare pays, it's really not much at all - but what you need to do is check with your local social security office and see if you qualify for SSDI !
I literally can't work because my cancer and the cancer meds make it impossible, but if you get on SSDI you can also work and make, iirc, up to $800 a month in addition - still not well off or even lower middle class, but maybe better than what your getting.

773 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:48:42am

re: #771 opnion

yup

774 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:49:14am
775 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:50:57am

Does anybody else find this ironic:

The Democrats, allegedly the party of the working man, are running two lawyers turned career politicians.

Meanwhile the Republicans, allegedly the party of the rich establishment, are running a war hero turned reforming politician and a hockey mom small town mayor.

776 realwest  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:51:35am

re: #747 Noam Chumpski
Huh, I'd go ON Oprah and then rip Obama a new one in the form of questions to her = starting with my all time favorite, home-grown and unrepentant terrorist, Billy Ayers.
Guarantee that if the show were live, she'd regret having me on and if it were taped, they'd run something else!

777 yochanan  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:52:29am

well if we win this we will have a first VPOTUS cutie pie the young girl is beyond cute

778 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:53:01am

re: #770 Miss Trixie

Hey Trixie! I'm hoping the election goes well for Harper too. I have to find out who's running for the Tories in my riding in the Socialist Peoples Republic of Toronto.

779 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:53:02am

re: #765 opnion

Oh man, the guy was lame. He actually said that the "Lies" on the cover referred to leftie blogs & that they pointed it out in the story.
Megyn Kelly said that 'I read it. you did not say that."
He then said that there was not enough room. It was humorous but pathetic.

all of those puff-tart magazines and that TV show "Hollywood insider" are owned by the same left-wingers. Bill Clinton's buddy.
And the left have the audacity to complain about Fox News? The entire left-pap media is controlled by a few uber-left-wingers.

and the fairness doctrine will ensure that the left control everything. How fascist is that?

780 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:53:16am

re: #770 Miss Trixie

Good Morning Trixie! That was one funny video.. I liked it when they kept making the treadmill run faster and faster and the cats running faster and faster..LOL

781 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:53:23am

re: #772 realwest

Welcome back, see #731. >_> Posted it right after you left...

782 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:53:26am

re: #774 FrogMarch

Obama to dispatch left-wing fem-bots.

Now there's a monstrous regiment of women.

783 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:54:07am

re: #774 FrogMarch

Hillary Is... the Palinator. (Kisses to the reader who Photoshops an image for that.)

ROTFLMOA

784 yochanan  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:54:46am

re: #775 Kenneth

Does anybody else find this ironic:

The Democrats, allegedly the party of the working man, are running two lawyers turned career politicians.

Meanwhile the Republicans, allegedly the party of the rich establishment, are running a war hero turned reforming politician and a hockey mom small town mayor.

who's husband is a member of the steel workers union

and the Palins although not poor have the lowest income of the 4 people in this national race a couple who have to in fact use a personal budjet

785 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:55:05am

re: #748 Iron Fist

And I am educated, 5 year degree, professional license too, but I am a

PRIMITIVE STINKER


You can tell from a long way off

Ha ha ha ha ha

786 3 wood  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:55:12am

re: #761 realwest

Hey good morning my friend! I was pleased with the Giant's performance, though Eli was a little bit "rusty" or something but love our running game and our defense.

I saw what I think you mean, but I don't think it was Manning's fault. One of the Giants receivers kept cutting his routes off short, which made the passes look off target but they were not.

787 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:56:17am
788 arizona9  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:57:18am

Sarah Palin in an Alaskan Governor's race debate...

http://gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/09/sarah-p alin-debates-tony-knowl.html

789 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:57:23am

re: #776 realwest

Huh, I'd go ON Oprah and then rip Obama a new one in the form of questions to her = starting with my all time favorite, home-grown and unrepentant terrorist, Billy Ayers.
Guarantee that if the show were live, she'd regret having me on and if it were taped, they'd run something else!

There is a weird dynamic on the Oprah Show. Otherwise reasonable women become mindless drones & follow Oprah blindly.
If Sarah Palin displeased Oprah, the audience would just drown her out.
However , Sarah could come out looking good on the news clips.
You know, Joan of Arc, without the schitzo & voices in the head things going on.

790 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:57:28am

re: #730 opnion

Megyn Kelly on Fox took a guy from US behind the woodshed.

Hell, I'd go behind the woodshed with Megyn Kelly!

791 jwb7605  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:58:03am

Ooooooh, SaraCUDA

And now we pause to cause a big rift, with a smile:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3os.htm

792 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:58:24am

re: #779 FrogMarch

all of those puff-tart magazines and that TV show "Hollywood insider" are owned by the same left-wingers. Bill Clinton's buddy.
And the left have the audacity to complain about Fox News? The entire left-pap media is controlled by a few uber-left-wingers.

and the fairness doctrine will ensure that the left control everything. How fascist is that?

Very facist.

793 Alouette  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:59:05am

Piper Palin is ALMOST as cute as my 10 granddaughters. BTW 5 of my granddaughters are named "Sarah" or some variation. Look for this name to go to the top of the "most popular girl's names"

794 sparrowlake  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:59:08am

re: #769 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #766 yochanan
hetro or trannies?
just kidding


I'm sure OR could teach me to say that in flawless Portuguese.

It's probably better to find out before you &*%^.

795 Miss Trixie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:59:12am

re: #778 Kenneth

Hey Trixie! I'm hoping the election goes well for Harper too. I have to find out who's running for the Tories in my riding in the Socialist Peoples Republic of Toronto.

Kenneth - long time no blog to. :D

From what I understand, British Columbians are absolutely incensed over the carbon tax shoved down their throat and plenty of folks here are real ticked off about the possibility of that Canada-wide too. Dion, The Horse's A**, plans to *tweak* his widdle plan to fleece we Canucksicles in this shell-game to further line liberal pockets and I'm having none of it.

I think a lot of folks finally have their eyes open concerning this.

/O Lord I hope so!

796 realwest  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:59:24am

WHOA Y'ALL - was just typing a message when I suddenly got the BSOD! SO I Crash dived puter and am running a scan now - will be back as soon as I can!

797 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:59:30am

re: #790 sngnsgt

Hell, I'd go behind the woodshed with Megyn Kelly!

I was wondering how long it would take for that comment,
Spank me, I've been naughty!

798 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:00:50am

Must read piece of the day:

'Why We Fight,' a poem by slain Canadian soldier Cpl. Andrew Grenon


The following poem, entitled "Why We Fight," was written in Afghanistan in 2006 by Cpl. Andrew Grenon of Windsor, Ont., one of three Canadian soldiers who died Wednesday in an anbush in the volatile Zhari district. It was released Thursday by members of Grenon's family.

Why We Fight

I've often asked myself why we are here. Why my government actually agreed to send troops to this God-forsaken place. There are no natural resources. No oil, gold, or silver. Just people.

People who have been at war for the last 40 plus years. People who want nothing more than their children to be safe. People who will do anything for money; even give their own life.

I look into the eyes of these people. I see hate, destruction and depression. I see love, warmth, kindness and appreciation.

Why do we fight? For in this country, there are monsters. Monsters we could easily fight on a different battlefield, at a different time. Monsters that could easily take the fight to us.

Surrounding these mud walls and huts is a country in turmoil. A country that is unable to rebuild itself. A country that cannot guarantee a bright future for its youth.

Why do we fight? Because, if we don't fight today, on THIS battlefield, then our children will be forced to face these monsters on our own battlefield.

I fight because I'm a soldier.

I fight because I'm ordered.

I fight, so my children won't have to.

799 jwb7605  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:01:06am

re: #797 opnion

I was wondering how long it would take for that comment,
Spank me, I've been naughty!

A masochist and a sadist get married.
On the wedding night, the masochist screams "BEAT ME. KICK ME. WHIP ME".

The sadist just smiles, and says "no".

800 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:02:15am

re: #790 sngnsgt

Love the avatar. After seeing Fred speak the other day I kept saying, mostly to myself since no one else will listen, that the ticket should be Thompson/Palin.

801 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:02:53am

re: #799 jwb7605

A masochist and a sadist get married.
On the wedding night, the masochist screams "BEAT ME. KICK ME. WHIP ME".

The sadist just smiles, and says "no".

Very good. Now if I can just remember it.

802 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:02:59am

I'd like Palin to go on Oprah & say that she would like to see the 1st black president to be better than Barack Obama.

803 WriterMom  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:03:28am

Hi lizards. Please keep my son in your prayers. He had an operation yesterday and thank G-d, he's doing great. I'll try to stop by later. I'm just taking a little walk about.

804 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:04:45am

re: #797 opnion

I was wondering how long it would take for that comment,
Spank me, I've been naughty!

LOL! I'm surprised no one else had! Now, about that spankin' ;-)

805 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:05:06am

re: #803 WriterMom

Hi lizards. Please keep my son in your prayers. He had an operation yesterday and thank G-d, he's doing great. I'll try to stop by later. I'm just taking a little walk about.


Will do. {WriterMom}

806 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:05:15am

re: #796 realwest

#731 for when you get back.

807 Sparkizzy  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:05:20am

So what's the deal with Noonan? Under the bus? I hope not, but this is very bad PR.

808 lazardo  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:05:38am

re: #799 jwb7605

ZING!

/and upding

809 SouthAmericanWay  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:05:43am

OK: Rasmussen Daily Tracking, three-day average.

With ONE post-Palin-speech day in, Obama's lead has gone from 5 (50-45) to 2 (48-46) points.

810 loppyd  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:05:45am

re: #803 WriterMom

{WriterMom}

Happy to hear it was a success.

811 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:05:46am

re: #802 Ojoe

I'd like Palin to go on Oprah & say that she would like to see the 1st black president to be better than Barack Obama.

Oprah would have her minions rush the stage & beat Sarah with their purses.
On a serious note Oprah is a rigid, narrow minded manhater.
Obama is an exception because.......? Hmmm, I have to think.

812 kuffar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:06:12am

Apparently the Oprah staff is divided on having Sarah Palin on...

She scares all of them! Everyone!

Could she shatter a large portion of the liberal establishment?

813 loppyd  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:06:24am

re: #802 Ojoe

I'd like Palin to go on Oprah & say that she would like to see the 1st black president to be better than Barack Obama.

Oooooooooooh.

That's good.

814 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:06:29am

re: #807 Sparkizzy

What, what? Please elaborate.

815 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:07:12am

re: #800 Ford_Prefect

Love the avatar. After seeing Fred speak the other day I kept saying, mostly to myself since no one else will listen, that the ticket should be Thompson/Palin.

Thx, I think there should be a spot in the McCain/Palin cabinet for Fred.

816 Sparkizzy  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:08:00am

re: #814 unreconstructed rebel

The open mic story [Link: trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com...]

817 lifeofthemind  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:08:05am

I just tried to add this to the Links under Business, A Letter From the Editor: The Future of the Sun and got the "already posted" notice. Under a blue sky all seems grey now.

818 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:08:12am

re: #815 sngnsgt

Thx, I think there should be a spot in the McCain/Palin cabinet for Fred.

Absolutely. Department of Justice for example.

819 loppyd  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:08:33am

re: #812 kuffar

Apparently the Oprah staff is divided on having Sarah Palin on...

She scares all of them! Everyone!

Could she shatter a large portion of the liberal establishment?

Oprah is walking a very fine line.

She got hammered by her fans - many of whom left messages on her website - for her endorsement of Obama.

Most of her fan base is exactly the kind of woman that Oprah fears will fall in love with Sarah Palin.

820 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:08:53am

re: #803 WriterMom

May G-d watch over your son & bles your family. You're in my prayers.

821 jwb7605  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:09:00am

re: #811 opnion

Oprah would have her minions rush the stage & beat Sarah with their purses.
On a serious note Oprah is a rigid, narrow minded manhater.
Obama is an exception because.......? Hmmm, I have to think.

I think SarahCuda was circling the school from above.
OODA ... she just went after the tastiest target.
Blood in the water now, either way.

822 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:09:42am

re: #747 Noam Chumpski

Oprah doesn't heart Palin.

I would wait for Oprah ask me to come on and then I would decline with a comment that she is an Obama campaign member who can't be trusted to be fair or objective.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Buh-bye, Oprah.

Oprah's an evil bitch, as far as I'm concerned. First, she pimps this commie Obama to be her anointed one as president, then she pushes the New Age nitwit Eckhart Tolle and his books, to foist her chosen "religion" on us.

823 realwest  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:09:43am

re: #806 lazardo
Hey my friend (got two different scans running in background, so things are even slower than normal for me now!).
I don't know which versions you've read or heard of where the grasshopper wins, and I'm not possessed of any unusual amount of wisdom, but I can tell you,
BASED ON MY OWN LIFE EXPERIENCES, that if you keep working at it YOU will come out on top, and you'll be standing on a mountain of dead grasshoppers.
Trust me on this, ok?!

824 Miss Trixie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:10:32am

re: #803 WriterMom

Hi lizards. Please keep my son in your prayers. He had an operation yesterday and thank G-d, he's doing great. I'll try to stop by later. I'm just taking a little walk about.

You have mine in spades, luv. { {WriterMom & precious son} }

825 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:10:53am

re: #819 loppyd

Oprah is walking a very fine line.

She got hammered by her fans - many of whom left messages on her website - for her endorsement of Obama.

Most of her fan base is exactly the kind of woman that Oprah fears will fall in love with Sarah Palin.

Thats right, but her studio audience is a different matter. Oprah controls them. The problem for Oprah is that Sarah Palin is up to the challenge.
Oprah is managing the message & is therefore a fraud

826 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:11:06am

re: #807 Sparkizzy

So what's the deal with Noonan? Under the bus? I hope not, but this is very bad PR.

I was very disappointed in Noonan, especailly since she once worked for Ronald Reagan. I think Reagan would have loved Sarah.

827 jwb7605  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:11:34am

Is it too much to hope for:

Sarah Palin on The View

828 Pyrocles  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:12:03am

Oh, Canada!

re: #798 Kenneth

Must read piece of the day:

'Why We Fight,' a poem by slain Canadian soldier Cpl. Andrew Grenon

829 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:12:13am

re: #825 opnion

Thats right, but her studio audience is a different matter. Oprah controls them. The problem for Oprah is that Sarah Palin is up to the challenge.
Oprah is managing the message & is therefore a fraud

I think she has undue influence on a lot of women. She's got an agenda, and it's not one that's good for America.

830 funky chicken  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:12:51am

re: #647 opnion

Todd Palin is the guy that Libs have been telling all men that we should be, for as long as I can remember. You know, be secure & unthreatened by a competent woman.
Well he is, but not what they expected. He is not the sensetive type trying to get in touch with his feminine side. Instead he is like Chuck Norris & that is unaaceptable to the left.

The US Weekly editor guy was the prototypical liberal male. You have got to watch the interview with Megyn Kelly--he keeps up his condescending facade the whole way through. "Now, now dear, you're just upset. If you just calm down like a nice girl we can talk."

831 opnion  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:13:17am

re: #822 Ward Cleaver

Oprah's an evil bitch, as far as I'm concerned. First, she pimps this commie Obama to be her anointed one as president, then she pushes the New Age nitwit Eckhart Tolle and his books, to foist her chosen "religion" on us.


Oprah attended Trinity Church for over a year. She had to hear some nasty stuff & kept coming back. I have no doubt that she only dropped out to protect the franchise.

832 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:13:28am

re: #811 opnion

Oprah would have her minions rush the stage & beat Sarah with their purses.
On a serious note Oprah is a rigid, narrow minded manhater.
Obama is an exception because.......? Hmmm, I have to think.

'Coz he's not a man?

833 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:13:29am

re: #816 Sparkizzy

Thanks. Methinks Noonan has not yet figured out that the Republican Party needs a transfusion to get beyond the branding problems it has with the public. We put 'em in office & after 12 years all they did was screw the pooch. Time to run in a new team. Sorry, Peggy, but you are wrong.

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