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The Human Genome is a Battlefield

Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:59:40 pm PDT

David Brown has a good piece in the Washington Post’s Science section, on the remnants of extinct viruses discovered in the genome—the results of evolutionary warfare between viral invaders and human genes: In Our Genes, Old Fossils Take On New Roles.

Over the past 15 years, scientists have been comparing the inherited genetic material — the genomes — of dozens of organisms, acquiring a life history of life itself. What they’re finding would impress even novelist William Faulkner, the great chronicler of how the past never really goes away.

It turns out that about 8 percent of the human genome is made up of viruses that once attacked our ancestors. The viruses lost. What remains are the molecular equivalents of mounted trophies, insects preserved in genomic amber, DNA fossils.

The thousands of human endogenous retroviruses, or HERVs, sketch a history of rough times during the 550 million years of vertebrate evolution. The best-preserved one, HERV-K113, probably arrived less than 200,000 years ago, long after human beings and chimpanzees diverged from a common ancestor.

But these retroviruses are more than just curiosities. They are some of the most important enemies we ever had. They helped mold the immune system that is one of the evolutionary marvels of life on Earth.

In the past two years, a laboratory in France and another in the United States independently reconstructed a functioning HERV-K retrovirus from pieces found in the human genome. This summer, both showed that the gene sequences of some of those viruses bear the characteristic fingerprints of APOBEC3, a human enzyme that mutated them into submission.

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1 WrathofG-d  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:00:37pm

.......get ready to rumble.........

2 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:01:04pm

Where's the Code Pinksters?

3 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:02:15pm
The Human Genome is a Battlefield

Quick! Someone get General Obama's tactical assessment!

4 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:02:20pm

re: #2 Celtic Templar

Where's the Code Pinksters?

attacking the white blood cells.

5 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:02:30pm
6 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:04:19pm

re: #5 buzzsawmonkey

Gee. Gnomes?

Yep. Gnome, Alaska; Gnome Chompsky... we have a veritable plethora of Gnomes.

/Jefe, what is a "plethora"?

7 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:04:27pm

re: #4 Eowyn2

Possibly a cure for ED?

8 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:04:31pm

I wonder what the "fossil" of the virus named "communism" looks like.

9 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:04:41pm

Charles -

Apparently the HUMAN GENOME is a Battlefield where "the Surge" worked.

-S-

10 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:05:09pm
It turns out that about 8 percent of the human genome is made up of viruses that once attacked our ancestors.

I am rhinovirus, hear me roar?

11 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:05:58pm
It turns out that about 8 percent of the human genome is made up of viruses that once attacked our ancestors. The viruses lost.


But that's what viruses do - they throw their DNA in with the host cell. I guess the MO continues with the virus ultimately causing the cell to rupture once it's been replicated enough. So at most, if their DNA is still there, I'd say the virus and the humanoids tied, but the gene in question won.

12 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:05:58pm

re: #8 karmic_inquisitor

I wonder what the "fossil" of the virus named "communism" looks like.

karmic -

I'm told it looks like a "watermelon" - Green on the Outside and RED on the inside.

-S-

13 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:05:59pm
14 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:06:11pm

life's a miracle. it's amazing organisms have survived at all.

15 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:06:22pm
16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:06:31pm

Puts a new light on this:

Europe Could Have Been More HIV Resistant, If Not for the Romans

On average, Northern Europeans are more resistant to HIV infection and take longer to develop AIDS than Southern Europeans, and French researcher Eric Faure thinks that represents the legacy of the Roman Empire, strangely enough. There’s a gene variant in question, called CCR5-Delta32, which produces proteins that the HIV virus has trouble attaching to. But while in some areas of Northern Europe 15 percent of people carry this gene variant, only 4 percent of Greeks have it. In fact, if you look at the distribution of places where few people carry the gene, Faure says, the map looks suspiciously like that of the extent of Roman rule.

But Romans didn’t necessarily intermix with their colonists that much, according to Faure, so how did their lack of CCR5-Delta32 spread across Southern Europe? He says it’s possible that Romans introduced a disease that hit people who carried the HIV-resistant gene variation especially hard and reduced their numbers. The conquerors also introduced domesticated animals like cats and donkeys across their territory, and those animals can spread disease to humans.

17 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:07:13pm

re: #5 buzzsawmonkey

Gee. Gnomes?

You just gave me an idea for a Halloween costume...

18 Diamond Bullet  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:08:36pm

Ha! Take that, Mother Nature! Your flash floods and cougars didn't work, and even your viruses got hammered!

Tonight I am saluting glorious dominant humanity by chasing squirrels up trees with lit Lysol cans (a.k.a. "Friday").

19 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:08:57pm
mutated them into submission

I'd like to try that on some local moonbats.

20 Thanos  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:09:32pm

Then theres FridrinkintimeC-10, something that's cropped up just this afternoon.

21 HBob  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:09:40pm

Yeah, my genome has a museum with all that fossil stuff in there. It's also got a pretty nice gift shop where you cant get a snack and a drink. You should go.

22 SecondComing  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:10:03pm

"The Human Genome is a Battlefield"

Somewhere Weird Al is writing a parody of the Pat Benetar classic, Love is a Battlefield as we type.

23 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:10:42pm

re: #15 buzzsawmonkey

"To gnome me is to love me."

Or in the words of John Donne:

Gnome-man is an island, entire of itself.

24 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:11:30pm

re: #22 SecondComing

"The Human Genome is a Battlefield"

Somewhere Weird Al is writing a parody of the Pat Benetar classic, Love is a Battlefield as we type.

Weird Al? We don't need no steenkin' Weird Al. We've got buzzsawmonkey.

25 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:12:31pm

re: #23 Occasional Reader

Or in the words of John Donne:

Gnome-man is an island, entire of itself.

Ask not for whom the bell trolls.. it trolls for thee

26 Buster Bunny  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:13:12pm

re: #21 HBob

Yeah, my genome has a museum with all that fossil stuff in there. It's also got a pretty nice gift shop where you cant get a snack and a drink. You should go.

I went through ... very impressive stuff. But i ended up eating too much DNA pink floss and retrograding my dental exposure for future generatons.

mmm ... highly evolved candy ... mmmm

27 Dianna  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:13:13pm

re: #8 karmic_inquisitor

It needs to sink in exactly the right place, then get compressed, then get found.

We won't ever see it, more's the pity.

28 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:13:23pm

"warfare btw viral invaders and human genes"
so peace is a pipe dream even on the submicroscopic level.

29 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:13:59pm

What is 1,287?

30 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:16:39pm

re: #25 cliffster

Ask not for whom the bell trolls.. it trolls for thee

We're just goblin up this new source of punning, aren't we?

31 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:17:02pm

OT: Poll update -

Hotline just put out their tracking poll, with a 3 point net loss to Obama from the last one. But it still has him up by 6.

Looking at the info provided and doing some inferences, it looks like their voter model has 2 Democrats for every Republican (everyone is trying to account for and "enthusiasm" gap).

If that is the case, then this poll is very bad news for Obama.

32 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:17:05pm
33 turn  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:17:44pm

Codes of other life forms in the code for man. Kind of boggles the mind, and they were brought back to life to boot. Technology is truly on an exponential growth curve, the singularity is near.

34 Buster Bunny  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:18:40pm

The first humans to colonize Mars will be explorers from Earth on a mission to colonize the plant.

The second generation will be Martians .. and every generation after that.

35 ROPMA  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:18:44pm

Guns Germs and Steel gives a good look at why Europeans are resistant to many diseases.

36 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:18:48pm

re: #32 buzzsawmonkey

The Two-Thousand-Year-Old Man in the prime of life?

Nice try.

37 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:19:01pm

In the past two years, a laboratory in France and another in the United States independently reconstructed a functioning HERV-K retrovirus from pieces found in the human genome

The French covered it with a very nice wine reduction sauce. The Americans, of course, just covered it with Ketchup

// I'm one sick sack !

38 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:19:29pm

re: #32 buzzsawmonkey

The Two-Thousand-Year-Old Man in the prime of life?

Quoting from memory:

Interviewer: Sir, to what do you owe your incredibly advanced age?

2KYOM: [reflective pause] Will to live.

Interviewer: That... is amazing! Sir, you mean that just through the sheer force of your desire to...

2KYOM: [interrupting] No, no, Will Talive... Dr. William Talive, my physician.

39 Buster Bunny  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:19:46pm

re: #29 MandyManners

What is 1,287?

Methusaleh's Little Black Book

40 wolfie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:19:49pm

re: #24 Occasional Reader

Weird Al? We don't need no steenkin' Weird Al. We've got buzzsawmonkey.

Have you ever seen them together in person?
Huh?

Just saying!

41 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:20:37pm

re: #39 Buster Bunny

Methusaleh's Little Black Book

Humorous try.

42 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:20:47pm

Hint: William Faulkner.

43 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:20:50pm

Gnome?! I'm married to him!

/channelling Colin Mochre

44 Buster Bunny  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:22:01pm

re: #42 MandyManners

Hint: William Faulkner.

Didnt he run the Starship Enterprise?

45 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:22:24pm

re: #42 MandyManners

Hint: William Faulkner.

His longest sentence.

(googled it? Moi?)

46 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:22:41pm

re: #29 MandyManners

What is 1,287?

The usual number of comments in the dead thread?

47 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:22:41pm

re: #7 Celtic Templar

Possibly a cure for ED?


Ed who?

48 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:22:59pm

The viruses lost and we mounted their corpses as a warning to the others.
I like it.

49 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:23:20pm
50 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:24:05pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

they spread a few other diseases as well.

51 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:24:09pm

re: #47 Eowyn2

Ed who?

The weatherman?

52 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:25:22pm

re: #49 buzzsawmonkey

He must have done something really, really bad. How much did he serve before parole?

It was a mere two-month sentence, served during the summer. It seemed like a heavy sentence to him when he began it in July; but it was Light in August.

53 Mike in Georgia  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:25:51pm

But what about the roaming gnome?

54 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:26:09pm

Hey Charles,

An idea for your site: Can you code Ding total in the Comments view for someone's profile? That way we can see a history of each lizard's popularity.

55 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:27:17pm

re: #51 Honorary Yooper

The weatherman?


No, Stinky was the cure for Ed the Weatherman (and others)..

;-P

56 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:27:24pm

re: #44 Buster Bunny

Didnt he run the Starship Enterprise?

No. That was this guy.

57 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:27:25pm

re: #54 Celtic Templar

Hey Charles,

An idea for your site: Can you code Ding total in the Comments view for someone's profile? That way we can see a history of each lizard's popularity.

What is this,,,,, American Idol !?!?!?!?!?

58 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:27:44pm

re: #52 Occasional Reader

It was a mere two-month sentence, served during the summer. It seemed like a heavy sentence to him when he began it in July; but it was Light in August.

VERY clever!

Will was a lazy and would sit around all day, but when she asked for a drink he A-rose for Emily...

59 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:27:56pm

re: #45 Occasional Reader

His longest sentence.

(googled it? Moi?)

Yep.

60 maddogg  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:28:29pm

So liberal stupidity is a viral disease? We need to be working on a cure that does not require the use of heavy metals.

61 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:28:34pm

re: #34 Buster Bunny

The first humans to colonize Mars will be explorers from Earth on a mission to colonize the plant.

The second generation will be Martians .. and every generation after that.

thats one big plant

62 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:29:13pm

re: #46 Honorary Yooper

The usual number of comments in the dead thread?

Faulkner was really into circumlocution.

63 rabidfox  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:29:16pm

Thanks Charles, that was an interesting article.

64 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:29:23pm

re: #54 Celtic Templar

Hey Charles,

An idea for your site: Can you code Ding total in the Comments view for someone's profile? That way we can see a history of each lizard's popularity.

Really, let's not.

My two cents.

65 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:30:04pm

re: #37 sattv4u2

In the past two years, a laboratory in France and another in the United States independently reconstructed a functioning HERV-K retrovirus from pieces found in the human genome

The French covered it with a very nice wine reduction sauce. The Americans, of course, just covered it with Ketchup

// I'm one sick sack !

but the ketchup hides the taste better than the whine sauce

66 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:30:53pm

re: #58 goddessoftheclassroom

VERY clever!

Will was a lazy and would sit around all day, but when she asked for a drink he A-rose for Emily...

I just marble at the way some people faun over Faulkner's work.

67 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:31:21pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

I never even made the finals.

68 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:31:32pm

re: #62 MandyManners

Faulkner was really into circumlocution.

Wondering what a dirty-minded Lizard will make of that.

69 celtic templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:31:49pm

My wife is getting jealous as I slobber over Mrs. Palin's record:

As mayor, Palin cut her own salary

What is her record on ethics reform?

As governor, Palin signed ethics legislation limiting lobbyists' access to government officials and calling for more transparency in their dealings with Alaskan pols. As ethics commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, she accused a fellow Republican of illegally taking money from energy firms. (He later paid a large fine for his transgressions.) She has also reduced the perks of positions she's held personally: She put the governor's private jet up for sale on eBay and laid off her personal chef. As mayor of Wasilla, she cut her own salary.

70 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:32:55pm

re: #51 Honorary Yooper

Ed Kramden is a weatherman?

71 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:33:02pm

re: #68 MandyManners

Wondering what a dirty-minded Lizard will make of that.

I think we're about to find out...

72 wolfie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:34:46pm

re: #70 Eowyn2

Ed Kramden is a weatherman?

OMG ! Did he know Ayers and Dohrn?

73 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:35:48pm

Can I be the community organizer so that everyone will like me and I will actually get dinged up. C'mon, its been a couple of years and a good dinging is nothing to laugh at.

74 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:35:49pm

re: #68 MandyManners

Wondering what a dirty-minded Lizard will make of that.

So was oral sex just talking about it a lot or just telling a lot of people to f*ck off?

75 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:35:54pm

re: #66 Occasional Reader

I just marble at the way some people faun over Faulkner's work.

Now that's going to be a (Haw)thorn(e) in his side...

76 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:36:40pm

re: #72 wolfie

OMG ! Did he know Ayers and Dohrn?

he was their "trash' man.

77 rabidfox  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:36:49pm

re: #73 Eowyn2

(Eowyn2) Just because I think you needed it.

78 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:38:19pm

re: #74 christheprofessor

So was oral sex just talking about it a lot or just telling a lot of people to f*ck off?

Good one.

79 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:39:29pm

where's my stapler?

80 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:43:23pm

how abt. how a human enzyme mutated the endogenous retrovirus (HERV-K113) into SUBMISSION only 200,000 yrs. ago.
8% of our genome is junked stuff like that. mounted like trophies.
that's kind of creepy.

81 Sheridan8  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:43:28pm

I've been telling this to my Young Earth Creationist friends for about a year now. Why would humans have the same snippets of DNA from retroviruses that other primates have unless we have a common ancestor?

82 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:44:08pm

re: #78 MandyManners

Good one.

Thanks. I didn't think it was that good, but it was the best I could do on short notice... ;)

83 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:44:51pm

re: #80 nyc redneck

You are what you eat. Applies to DNA too.

84 angst  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:45:12pm

re: #33 turn

Codes of other life forms in the code for man. Kind of boggles the mind, and they were brought back to life to boot. Technology is truly on an exponential growth curve, the singularity is near.

Cue Jurassic Park theme music. That bolded part makes me a little nervous. I do hope they keep the little buggers sealed up nice and tight.

85 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:46:05pm

re: #77 rabidfox

THANKS

86 formercorpsman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:46:07pm

Charles, this is an excellent thread piece.

Brutally interesting.

Comprehending the lateral maneuvers from this is mind blowing.

87 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:46:44pm

Those aren't retro-viruses they are "community organizers". Gosh, don't you know anything about "intelligent design".

/sarc

88 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:46:50pm

re: #81 Sheridan8

I've been telling this to my Young Earth Creationist friends for about a year now. Why would humans have the same snippets of DNA from retroviruses that other primates have unless we have a common ancestor?

Because the retroviruses floated to the top of the waters during Noah's Flood. Then, once dry land appeared again, they were dispersed around it. Both humans and those other primates (which you foolishly believe to be our ancestors, you heathen!) were then exposed to them. QED.

/applying for my cushy grant from the Discovery Institute

89 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:47:31pm

re: #81 Sheridan8

I can only imagine their responses. Bet I can guess, though.

90 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:47:41pm

I assume "retroviruses" are viruses that wear bell-bottoms and platform shoes?

91 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:49:16pm

re: #81 Sheridan8

I've been telling this to my Young Earth Creationist friends for about a year now. Why would humans have the same snippets of DNA from retroviruses that other primates have unless we have a common ancestor?

Here is how I explained it on another thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

92 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:49:55pm

re: #90 Occasional Reader

I assume "retroviruses" are viruses that wear bell-bottoms and platform shoes?

And metroviruses are those that sip chai and have their eyebrows waxed.

93 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:50:14pm

re: #25 cliffster

Or in the words of Jefferson Airplane: "No man is an island, he is a peninsula".

94 formercorpsman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:51:38pm

re: #92 MandyManners

Mandy, that was pretty funny.

95 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:52:05pm

re: #92 MandyManners

And metroviruses are those that sip chai and have their eyebrows waxed.

And use words like empower and agenda...

96 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:52:27pm

re: #92 MandyManners

And metroviruses are those that sip chai and have their eyebrows waxed.

And then there's the dreaded RINOvirus, which infects people like Michael Bloomberg and Lincoln Chaffee.

97 celtic templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:52:38pm

How in the world do you get a 0% interest mortgage?
Rangel's No Interest Mortgage

98 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:53:19pm

re: #92 MandyManners

And metroviruses are those that sip chai and have their eyebrows waxed.

which ones have their backs waxed?

99 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:53:21pm

I wanna see some petroviruses, that will eat landfill waste and shit petroleum.

100 Dianna  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:53:25pm

I go to drink and not smoke too much.

This is to celebrate the fact that the little numbers lined up and kicked better than the Rockettes during their finale, today.

Type at you later!

101 Scorch  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:53:27pm

Dont forget to get those vaccinations unless you wish to wait a few thousand years to build up enough roaming genomes to combat those nasty viruses.

102 Dianna  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:54:24pm

re: #93 Shr_Nfr

Or in the words of Jefferson Airplane: "No man is an island, he is a peninsula".

What of Origen?

103 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:54:40pm

re: #100 Dianna

I go to drink and not smoke too much.

This is to celebrate the fact that the little numbers lined up and kicked better than the Rockettes during their finale, today.

Type at you later!

have a great weekend

104 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:54:44pm

Annefrance is down to -418 now.

105 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:55:24pm

re: #97 celtic templar

How in the world do you get a 0% interest mortgage?
Rangel's No Interest Mortgage


squatter?

106 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:55:58pm
107 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:56:26pm

re: #97 celtic templar

How in the world do you get a 0% interest mortgage?
Rangel's No Interest Mortgage

Maybe his lender's a Muslim; they consider interest to be usuriously haram.

108 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:56:30pm

re: #104 MandyManners

I'm sure s/he's loving every minute of it, too.

109 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:56:45pm
110 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:56:52pm

re: #104 MandyManners

Annefrance is down to -418 now.

It took her/him/it a long time to type all that. At least it's getting it's money's worth.

111 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:56:55pm

re: #99 Salamantis

I wanna see some petroviruses, that will eat landfill waste and shit petroleum.

Will ya settle for Oil-Pooping Bacteria?

112 solergic  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:57:40pm

McCain beats Obama in ratings.
I feel like the tide is turning very strongly toward McCain in this election.

113 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:57:58pm

re: #111 eschew_obfuscation

Will ya settle for Oil-Pooping Bacteria?

That'll work! At least I hope it does...

114 solergic  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:59:12pm
115 runrabbitrun  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:59:14pm

Drudge: Oprah Refuses, Palin WON'T be on....

(apologies if a re-post)

116 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 2:59:37pm

William Ayers is a virus that Obama has assimilated into his DNA.

117 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:01:05pm

re: #111 eschew_obfuscation

Will ya settle for Oil-Pooping Bacteria?

If they can make that, they can make a giant talking taco that craps ice cream.

118 Naso Tang  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:01:21pm

re: #54 Celtic Templar

Hey Charles,

An idea for your site: Can you code Ding total in the Comments view for someone's profile? That way we can see a history of each lizard's popularity.

You would need to add the number of dinged posts as well and, just to be difficult, one would need the total number of posts, and the average dings per dinged post and the average per total posts and the average negative and positive (since the way they display now, a negative cancels a positive, leaving nothing) and then.......... but that's good for a start, no?

Enjoy.

119 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:01:36pm

re: #116 HelloDare

William Ayers is a virus that Obama has assimilated into his DNA.

Well, both Wright and Ayers are retroviral artifacts of the '60's and '70's...

120 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:01:47pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

If they can make that, they can make a giant talking taco that craps ice cream.

I was expecting to see a photograph of Rosie.

121 uncle_walter87  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:02:05pm

We were talking in my Virology class this morning about HERV's, actually. Apparently 1/3 of the genes in our gametes (egg and sperm) are actually viral.
Woo.......crazy.

122 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:02:28pm

re: #116 HelloDare
So, it's over the top and inaccurate. re: #120 MandyManners

I was expecting to see a photograph of Rosie.

She consumes ice cream.

123 GeeWiz  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:02:48pm

re: #6 Occasional Reader

NO! The nic is GeeWiz. Please try to get it right! :0)

/jus kidding

124 celtic templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:03:46pm

re: #118 Naso Tang

Not sure what you mean? He already has the count if I look at the singular post. There's a recent comments button on your profile. If I click that it shows me, recent comments - huh, good choice for a name. For each comment, if he could put the ding total, that would be instructive.

125 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:03:58pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey


We prefer to refer to ourselves as "Third Age Creationists"

126 jordank  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:04:06pm

We need to get McCain do a public speech denouncing people who would threaten research like Charles has linked here:

"My friends, our nation has for, as long as any of us have been alive, at the forefront of scientific research. This has led to our high standards in bio-research, in military application, in our medical fields. Yet today a group of radical religious extremists threatens our lead in the scientific fields. They claim that we must submit to the idea that the earth is 6000 years old, that every aspect of our lives must conform to their view of the Bible. These so called intelligent design and creationist cultists would have our progress set back by hundreds of years, they would ban our research into stem cell research and make it illegal to even use the word "evolution" in our public museums, instead our public schools would be forced to show man and dinosaur standing side by side, and all evidence of neolithic pre-history would be thrown into furnaces since it would conflict with their ideology. My friends, our Republican party must not tolerate this. We kicked the racists out of our party, we kicked the fringe homophobics from our party, and today I say to all people and pastors who promote ID and creationism: go away. The republican party does not want you, does not need you, does not want your votes. You are free to join another political party and create your own, but we will tolerate you no more. We will not and never allow you t bring us down into the dark ages."

127 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:04:37pm
128 uncle_walter87  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:05:01pm

#11
Not necessarily. Not all viruses are lytic, some undergo lysogenic reproduction by which they kind of "lay around" the cell, keep producing more viruses, and just bud out of the host, keeping them happy for many years to come.
Herpes Simplex Virus - 1 (HSV-1) in the ganglion of nerves is one such example.

129 celtic templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:05:06pm

re: #118 Naso Tang

Your text to link...

Put the ding count next to each comment.

130 Naso Tang  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:05:46pm

re: #124 celtic templar

Not sure what you mean? He already has the count if I look at the singular post. There's a recent comments button on your profile. If I click that it shows me, recent comments - huh, good choice for a name. For each comment, if he could put the ding total, that would be instructive.

That would be a good start. I just came on and was being a smartass to unwind from the day.

131 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:06:58pm

re: #121 uncle_walter87

We were talking in my Virology class this morning about HERV's, actually. Apparently 1/3 of the genes in our gametes (egg and sperm) are actually viral.
Woo.......crazy.

Peaches and Herv's fried eggs?

132 celtic templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:07:17pm

re: #130 Naso Tang

:) Sorry I'm working at home, so I get unbridled LGF access. Carry on ...

133 Querent  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:08:47pm

re: #121 uncle_walter87

We were talking in my Virology class this morning about HERV's, actually. Apparently 1/3 of the genes in our gametes (egg and sperm) are actually viral.
Woo.......crazy.

you really do learn something new every day...

134 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:09:09pm

re: #118 Naso Tang

You would need to add the number of dinged posts as well and, just to be difficult, one would need the total number of posts, and the average dings per dinged post and the average per total posts and the average negative and positive (since the way they display now, a negative cancels a positive, leaving nothing) and then.......... but that's good for a start, no?

Enjoy.

Just throw open the nand gates and watch the flood. call in the national guard.

135 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:10:46pm
136 Lynn B.  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:10:53pm

HERVs finally got their own thread!

Salamantis -- you must be kvelling.

Great stuff. Thanks, Charles!

137 jordank  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:11:28pm

re: #135 buzzsawmonkey

I see we have an angry stealth creationist in our midst

138 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:12:10pm
a laboratory in France and another in the United States independently reconstructed a functioning HERV-K retrovirus

Following up on their work, in my own basement laboratory I've managed to reconstruct a HERV-E retrovirus.

139 Querent  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:12:18pm

re: #137 jordank

I see we have an angry stealth creationist in our midst


And it's time for the Friday Afternoon Drinking Thread. Bar-room brawl starting in 10...9...8...

(putting the breakables behind the bar)

140 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:12:19pm
141 celtic templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:12:59pm

re: #126 jordank

Keep the quotes shorter if you want us st00pid conservatives to read :)

142 jordank  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:13:01pm

re: #140 buzzsawmonkey

Chocolate? I love chocolate!

143 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:13:53pm

re: #126 jordank

What a bunch of divisive shit!

144 GeeWiz  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:13:58pm

re: #104 MandyManners

Annefrance is down to -418 now.

And deservedly so.

145 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:14:08pm
146 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:14:20pm

jordank and buzzsawmonkey, to you I say... a HERV-K on both your houses!

/

147 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:14:25pm

Spore is being released soon.......
Sims creator's long-awaited 'playing god' game hits stores

"You are given this God-like power," Wright told AFP in a recent interview in California. "You can create ecosystems, biospheres ... We try to make it real science."

Players start as microscopic life forms competing for survival in primordial ooze and work their way onto land, where they evolve into creatures that build civilisations and rocket into space.

"It is still probably the most interesting question for scientists and five-year-olds: What is life?" Wright said.

"It starts out as single-cell organisms and then you are eventually flying around the galaxy exploring new worlds, meeting other creatures and creating federations."

148 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:14:39pm

re: #137 jordank

You're not worthy to lick his boots.

149 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:15:19pm

re: #126 jordank

MY up ding was suppose to be a down ding.

150 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:15:37pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Spore is being released soon.......
Sims creator's long-awaited 'playing god' game hits stores

A terraformng game?

151 jordank  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:15:44pm

re: #148 MandyManners

I don't think I want to. God knows where those boots have been walking in.......

152 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:16:02pm
stealth creationist


In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the F-117 of God moved above the face of the waters.

153 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:16:06pm

re: #137 jordank

Got it right that time.

154 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:16:15pm

re: #140 buzzsawmonkey

You are full of a brown substance which, legend has it, can be evoked by a note of music.

Only in Denver.

155 celtic templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:17:01pm

Yay! I was getting bored ... now Jordank is back! Spew some wisdom from your magic orifice!

156 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:17:44pm

re: #151 jordank

Shiny scales are tender scales.

157 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:17:52pm

re: #150 MandyManners

Sort of. You start off with a microbe and evolve from there. Sounds fun.

158 jordank  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:18:07pm

re: #152 Occasional Reader

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the F-117 of God moved above the face of the waters.

That was actually pretty funny. I'm saving that quote.

159 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:18:18pm

Here's the NYT article on Spore:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

160 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:19:05pm

re: #135 buzzsawmonkey

Very nice moby action there.

Telling people what to think, and that there must be a belief test for party acceptance? Nice indeed. Tell your tailor to hurry up with that stormtrooper uniform.

I only give it a 2.3 on the moby scale. Sadly lacking in originality and functionally impossible. He/she is as subtle as a drunk looking for a bar fight.

161 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:19:14pm

re: #150 MandyManners

Here's the website: Spore
It's rated E (for Everyone). The kid might like it.

162 celtic templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:19:18pm

re: #159 Salamantis

F the New York Times.

Launch Center for SPORE

163 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:19:52pm

re: #158 jordank

That was actually pretty funny. I'm saving that quote.

Well, okay. But for the record, I think your post #136 crosses the line into mere intolerance.

164 Lynn B.  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:20:17pm

Jordank,

In your extremely brief tenure here at LGF, have you ever posted a comment that wasn't intended to annoy, incite or enrage? Even when you make sense (which has been rare), you do it in a way that's guaranteed to offend half the people here.

Can't you find somewhere else to play? Or are you enjoying this too much?

165 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:20:23pm

re: #162 celtic templar

F GameStop

166 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:20:51pm

re: #152 Occasional Reader

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the F-117 F-22 raptor of God moved above the face of the waters.


/ the F-22 destroys anything on earth...although Jordank has escaped it's wrath so far.

167 celtic templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:20:51pm

re: #165 Basho

F U?

/just kidding ...

168 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:20:56pm

re: #165 Basho

Spot*

169 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:21:19pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Well, okay. But for the record, I think your post #136 crosses the line into mere intolerance.

Correction, #126.

170 wily  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:21:51pm

For anyone who likes this subject, there was a fascinating show on Nova about the human genome and how it might be influenced by your environment. There are scientists who believe that if you smoke, for example, you don't just hurt yourself, but you might be permanently affecting your genes and doing damage to your descendants for many generations. If you're interested, search YouTube for "nova ghost in your genes"

171 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:21:51pm

re: #167 celtic templar

Heh. I've been boycotting that site since it was discovered scores were being manipulated depending on how much money and gifts the game companies send them.

172 Lynn B.  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:21:52pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Well, okay. But for the record, I think your post #136 crosses the line into mere intolerance.

Hey! #136 was mine. :(

173 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:22:10pm

re: #166 HoosierHoops

/ the F-22 destroys anything on earth...although Jordank has escaped it's wrath so far.

No, but the F-22 evolved from the F-117! So I think the latter's more fitting for Genesis.

174 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:22:18pm

re: #171 Basho

Good to know... F GameSpot

175 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:22:51pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Sort of. You start off with a microbe and evolve from there. Sounds fun.

So I *could* be Empress of My Very Own Universe!

176 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:22:59pm

re: #126 jordank

That sounds like a great strategy for creating a one party system.

177 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:23:07pm

re: #175 MandyManners

So I *could* be Empress of My Very Own Universe!

Aren't you already?

178 jordank  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:23:29pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Well, okay. But for the record, I think your post #136 crosses the line into mere intolerance.

Imagine for a second if they invited as the opening speaker for the Republican convention an openly proud KKK leader. I would not tolerate that shit and I hope no one else here would. Now a KKK leader cannot do as much damage long-term as would a creationist-controlled US educational and scientific public system. As many posts on LGF point out, we would be living in the stone age real soon real fast. I hope that explains why we must be more open in denouncing these seemingly innocent but in reality dangerous ideas.

179 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:23:45pm

re: #175 MandyManners

So I *could* be Empress of My Very Own Universe!

Time to kiss your ring?

180 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:24:40pm

re: #171 Basho

Sadly, that is the case for most game review sites and magazines. I go here, and check the ones that give the lowest scores.

181 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:25:17pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Here's the website: Spore
It's rated E (for Everyone). The kid might like it.

He would. He already thinks he's da' boss.

182 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:25:59pm

re: #178 jordank

Now a KKK leader cannot do as much damage long-term as would a creationist-controlled US educational and scientific public system.

That statement is sheer absurdity.

I am all for keeping creationism out of schools. But your #126 called for the political expulsion of those who even BELIEVE in a literal reading of Genesis. That's intolerance.

Later. Must dash before Hanna gets here.

183 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:26:31pm

re: #90 Occasional Reader

You are on a roll!

184 Charles  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:26:42pm

That's the sixth sock puppet of 'jordank' I've banned.

Previous names this idiot has used:

Andrew_KJ
jasonkct
senor_lewie
jaxon
jjdaniels

185 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:26:50pm

re: #178 jordank

Imagine for a second if they invited as the opening speaker for the Republican convention an openly proud KKK leader. I would not tolerate that shit and I hope no one else here would. Now a KKK leader cannot do as much damage long-term as would a creationist-controlled US educational and scientific public system. As many posts on LGF point out, we would be living in the stone age real soon real fast. I hope that explains why we must be more open in denouncing these seemingly innocent but in reality dangerous ideas.

You just compared "believing that God created the universe and everything in it" with the KKK. Nice work.

186 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:27:05pm

re: #182 Occasional Reader

That statement is sheer absurdity.

I am all for keeping creationism out of schools. But your #126 called for the political expulsion of those who even BELIEVE in a literal reading of Genesis. That's intolerance.

Later. Must dash before Hanna gets here.

Be safe OR and good luck!

187 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:27:24pm

re: #172 Lynn B.

Hey! #136 was mine. :(

pod person!
aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa

188 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:27:45pm

re: #184 Charles

Finally.

189 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:28:30pm

I'm posting this question again, does anyone know what religions support Creationism?

Catholicism supports evolution to a degree (in as much as it does not interfere with science)

Also, what do other non-Judeo/Christian/Islam religions believe vis-a-vis creation story (e.g. Buddhists, Hindu). Seems to be relevant if we are going to vet people on religious belief.

190 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:29:02pm
191 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:29:42pm

re: #184 Charles

How did you find out that they're the same poster? e-mail, IP?

192 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:29:43pm

re: #184 Charles

That's the sixth sock puppet of 'jordank' I've banned.

Previous names this idiot has used:

Andrew_KJ
jasonkct
senor_lewie
jaxon
jjdaniels

Thanks Charles..something was wierd..he came on 7 days ago and has tried to stir up sh*t with every posting.

193 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:29:53pm

re: #184 Charles

That's the sixth sock puppet of 'jordank' I've banned.

Previous names this idiot has used:

Andrew_KJ
jasonkct
senor_lewie
jaxon
jjdaniels

What did the other 5 do to get boinked?

194 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:29:58pm

re: #189 Celtic Templar

Everyone religion has a creation myth. It all depends on how far certain people will take it seriously.

195 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:30:02pm

re: #190 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, Charles--thanks for bringing back a little more green in the top bar of self posts.


Ditto.

196 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:30:05pm

re: #178 jordank

If you are looking for actual KKK members, you are barking up the wrong party.

197 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:30:44pm

re: #194 Basho

GAH! Every***

My brain must be tired.

198 so.cal.swede  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:31:08pm
But these retroviruses are more than just curiosities. They are some of the most important enemies we ever had. They helped mold the immune system that is one of the evolutionary marvels of life on Earth.

The Neosporin lobby is going to throw a fit!

199 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:31:14pm

re: #194 Basho

I assume so, I just want to know if there are any comprehensive sources ... It's easy enough for me to get the RC position, just wondering how other religions and denominations deal with it.

200 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:31:37pm

re: #184 Charles

Leave his nic on a stake outside the town limits, as a warning to the others.

201 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:31:58pm

re: #184 Charles

A creationist moby?

202 hellosnackbar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:32:26pm

#126 jordank,
I guess that would also exclude islamists.
BTW Pat Condell has released another video Charles

203 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:33:01pm

re: #198 so.cal.swede

The Neosporin lobby is going to throw a fit!

tears in my eyes .
thank you.

204 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:33:36pm

re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

A creationist moby?

Today. Last night, a Paulian troll.

205 wolfie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:33:39pm

Holy rutabaga!
Just rifling through the little geography quiz I give (college) students at the beginning of the year. This is the first time in the 10+ years I've given it that every student in the class could identify France on a map. And only two couldn't identify Germany!
Geepers! I feel downright perky!

206 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:34:20pm

re: #199 Celtic Templar

If I'm not mistaken, the Hindu creation myth is really out there. It's like an entire novel and sounds like good reading from what I've heard from it (Lots of battles and stuff like that). The outrageousness of it all makes it seem like no one will take it seriously, but who knows in this world.

207 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:34:34pm

re: #200 rawmuse

Leave his nic on a stake outside the town limits, as a warning to the others.


crows cage?
swarming ant hill?

208 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:34:37pm

re: #205 wolfie

Holy rutabaga!
Just rifling through the little geography quiz I give (college) students at the beginning of the year. This is the first time in the 10+ years I've given it that every student in the class could identify France on a map. And only two couldn't identify Germany!
Geepers! I feel downright perky!

I forced myself to forget where France is on the map.

209 DaddyG  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:34:58pm

re: #138 Occasional Reader

Following up on their work, in my own basement laboratory I've managed to reconstruct a HERV-E retrovirus.

How about the HERV-B variant?

210 so.cal.swede  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:34:59pm

re: #205 wolfie

Holy rutabaga!
Just rifling through the little geography quiz I give (college) students at the beginning of the year. This is the first time in the 10+ years I've given it that every student in the class could identify France on a map. And only two couldn't identify Germany!
Geepers! I feel downright perky!

mmm rutabagorz

211 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:35:24pm

re: #207 Eowyn2

More like the closing scene from "Spartacus"

212 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:35:32pm

re: #204 Pullus Iulius

Today. Last night, a Paulian troll.


does that mean "The Paul" has rolled up his tent?

213 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:36:28pm

re: #189 Celtic Templar

Here's a breakdown of belief in evolution by religion

This poll was taken in the US but it gives you a general idea. Christians and Muslims seem to have the hardest time accepting evolution but most Eastern religions don't seem to have much of a problem.

214 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:36:48pm

re: #208 cliffster

I forced myself to forget where France is on the map.

Here's at least one good reason for de-programming that.

I just love pimping that vid, it's so damn funny.

215 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:37:40pm

re: #206 Basho

I'm assuming, and accept if I'm wrong, that there is orthodox and modernists in all religions. Intellectually interested in the topic of how orthodox Hindu (or whatever religion) versus rational Hindu reconcile. There's a bunch of back and forth in Catholicism, but ultimately we support evolution, but believe G-d is at work, effectively, G-d created evolution. 1 day in G-d's time, may be a millenium in ours kind of thing.

216 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:37:43pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

sounds like a cool game.

217 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:37:44pm

I don't have a problem with Genesis Biblical Literalists voting for Republican candidates, as long as they don't delude themselves that their political support entails a quid pro quo that Republicans as a party will support teaching Disco Dewde dogma in public high school science classes.

What would be catastrophically disastrous would be if their assumption of such a quid pro quo turned out to be no delusion. The inclusion of such a GOP plank would doom the party. And, if by some infinitesimally miniscule chance a national ticket could win with such a platform, implementing it would prove catastrophically disastrous for our children, and eventually for the scientific, technological, and ultimately geopolitical position of our country.

218 wolfie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:37:49pm

re: #208 cliffster

I forced myself to forget where France is on the map.

LOL !

219 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:37:56pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Thank you!

220 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:38:22pm

re: #211 rawmuse

More like the closing scene from "Spartacus"

no, he was like the kid who didnt make the local junior olympic squad. Makes me kinda wonder how many times he wrote his paragraph prior to posting. He should definately not go into a career in speech writing.

Needs much initiative.

221 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:39:09pm

re: #216 BBev

I only buy a few games every year. Spore will be one.

222 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:40:15pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

I only buy a few games every year. Spore will be one.

Waiting on DoW2 and WotLK

223 wolfie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:40:27pm

Food! (Sort of. My teenage boys are "cooking.")
Hope I survive it!

224 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:40:32pm

re: #208 cliffster

I forced myself to forget where France is on the map.

Isn't it right under the white flag?

225 DistantThunder  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:40:36pm

Speaking of religion - Obama was campaigning in PA today - a state in which he lost Catholics by 42 pts.

226 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:40:40pm

re: #219 Celtic Templar

It's a little odd that the majority of Jews believe in evolution but Evangelical Christians believe the Jewish creation myth.

227 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:41:06pm

re: #217 Salamantis

I don't have a problem with Genesis Biblical Literalists voting for Republican candidates, as long as they don't delude themselves that their political support entails a quid pro quo that Republicans as a party will support teaching Disco Dewde dogma in public high school science classes.

What would be catastrophically disastrous would be if their assumption of such a quid pro quo turned out to be no delusion. The inclusion of such a GOP plank would doom the party. And, if by some infinitesimally miniscule chance a national ticket could win with such a platform, implementing it would prove catastrophically disastrous for our children, and eventually for the scientific, technological, and ultimately geopolitical position of our country.

Disco Dewde Dogma? Wasnt that the whole theme for 101 teenage sex exploitation films in the 80s?

228 caliredst8r  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:41:15pm

I thought love was a battlefield

229 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:41:57pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Would you be willing to give us a full review? It looks cool, but I rarely buy PC games anymore (just can't afford them ATM). The last PC game I bought was Civ IV.

230 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:42:03pm

re: #217 Salamantis

I agree, but think your concerns will diminish over time. I think the only real holdouts for Biblical literalism are few in number, and tend to be anti-social. In other words, I think they don't vote. Or even have telephones.

231 so.cal.swede  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:42:04pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Here's a breakdown of belief in evolution by religion

This poll was taken in the US but it gives you a general idea. Christians and Muslims seem to have the hardest time accepting evolution but most Eastern religions don't seem to have much of a problem.

Very interesting.. But why my fellow Catholics aren't more "with" evolution, i dunno. The popester has even said that there's no conflict between religion and evolution.

232 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:42:19pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Do they really believe it or is a reaction to the G-d out of the classroom thing.

On a similar vein, as I would have assumed, 67% of Catholics believe God initiated and guided an evolutionary process that has led to current human beings.

233 so.cal.swede  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:42:33pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

It's a little odd that the majority of Jews believe in evolution but Evangelical Christians believe the Jewish creation myth.


quite an astute observation

234 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:42:52pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Haha. That's funny! Gotta be sure to remember that.

235 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:43:21pm

re: #214 Slumbering Behemoth

Here's at least one good reason for de-programming that.

I just love pimping that vid, it's so damn funny.

Aaaahhh, now I understand.

236 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:44:07pm

re: #231 so.cal.swede

Much can be garnered by the questions.

Do you believe in evolution or in Genesis?

Sorry, ma'am, we um, have no "both" column. You'll have to pick one or the other.

237 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:44:44pm

re: #235 cliffster

Sorry, did I type something confusing? I do that sometimes. (not being sarcastic here)

238 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:44:48pm

re: #21 HBob

Yeah, my genome has a museum with all that fossil stuff in there. It's also got a pretty nice gift shop where you cant get a snack and a drink. You should go.

Too expensive. You know how they jack up the prices of things in gift shops...

239 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:45:31pm

re: #231 so.cal.swede

Very interesting.. But why my fellow Catholics aren't more "with" evolution, i dunno. The popester has even said that there's no conflict between religion and evolution.


Well, at the risk of having a "Nancy Pelosi Moment"; There's a lot of variety in the Catholic church regardless of what the Popester says. I found a poll recently that only 75 of American Catholics agree with the Pope's stand on birth control. He may be running the show but Catholics are still driving the bus.

240 cliffster  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:46:21pm

re: #237 Slumbering Behemoth

Sorry, did I type something confusing? I do that sometimes. (not being sarcastic here)

No... you have helped me understand about pointy and non-pointy. I'm ready to take on the media! :^)

241 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:46:21pm

re: #236 Eowyn2

Also, 86% Catholics, 94% Jewish, 84% Hindu, 45% Muslim answered accept on "What are your views on Evolution?" (accept/reject/deny

242 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:47:14pm

re: #225 DistantThunder

Speaking of religion - Obama was campaigning in PA today - a state in which he lost Catholics by 42 pts.

Only 42 points? I should think that his abortion stance alone - or should I say his infanticide stance - would cost him the Catholic vote by 99.9%

243 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:47:31pm

re: #232 Celtic Templar

Do they really believe it or is a reaction to the G-d out of the classroom thing.


No, I think they really sincerely believe it. We've all seen many ex-lizards argue that it's essential to Christian belief.

244 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:48:04pm

re: #231 so.cal.swede

Very interesting.. But why my fellow Catholics aren't more "with" evolution, i dunno. The popester has even said that there's no conflict between religion and evolution.

Well, maybe many of those Catholics come from underdeveloped nations and haven't had the luxury of learning evolution.

245 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:48:18pm

re: #243 Killgore Trout

No, I think they really sincerely believe it. We've all seen many ex-lizards argue that it's essential to Christian belief.

Wish I partook in those arguments - I'd have to lay the smackdown on what we consider essential ;)

246 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:48:44pm

re: #229 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll buy it next week. But I may not have much time to play before I leave for vacation.

247 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:49:11pm

re: #241 Celtic Templar

Also, 86% Catholics, 94% Jewish, 84% Hindu, 45% Muslim answered accept on "What are your views on Evolution?" (accept/reject/deny

Interesting choice of possible responses... accept, reject or _deny_.

I can see a person answering the first two and maybe "I don't know"... but "deny"?

248 Maximu§  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:49:25pm

thousands of human endogenous retroviruses

This is all Chinese to me.

249 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:49:44pm

re: #240 cliffster

Ha! But I can't take any credit. All props go to The Dissident Frogman for that.

I want one of his MiChe Mouse shirts.

250 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:49:58pm

re: #247 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oh no, that's my fault, I have ADHD - it should be undecided ... NOT deny ...

251 so.cal.swede  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:49:58pm

re: #236 Eowyn2

Much can be garnered by the questions.

Do you believe in evolution or in Genesis?

Sorry, ma'am, we um, have no "both" column. You'll have to pick one or the other.

The Pope has said that the book of genesis is not a book of science. it's a book of faith, written by fallible men.

that's where catholicism and evangelicals differ, the evangelicals tend to think that the book of genesis is a book of science, and that it is the 100% true and correct word of God.

252 Cognito  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:50:10pm

re: #235 cliffster

Aaaahhh, now I understand.

I think the Dissident Frogman may have a bit too much time on his hands, considering the time he devoted to pointing out an AFP error. But that video is just excellent, from the way it's cut to the script to the music editing. The shift at 1:40 is downright masterful.

He is wrong on one point, though. War correspondents -- real ones, anyway -- are as a rule not morons. Maybe that's a bit of the 'true Scotsman' argument, but there it is.

253 erisldysnomia  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:50:26pm

Uh...

should scientists who do things like this be playing around with sh*t like recreating long lost viruses?

254 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:51:04pm

re: #250 Celtic Templar

I thought I was losing it... too much time looking at PDS posts by sky-IS-falling libs. Thanks for the clarification.

255 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:51:13pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

Well poo. Guess I'll have to wait. Enjoy that vacation.

256 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:52:33pm

Caught some Dr Laura on the way home. Seems like every time she had to answer a question about a problem family member, she threw in a little aside as an attack on Palin. WTF?

257 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:52:50pm
258 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:53:07pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

I only buy a few games every year. Spore will be one.

I'm going to be buying a new lap top this weekend, this old dog has played it's last games.

259 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:53:39pm

re: #257 ploome hineni

That's not my quote.

260 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:54:13pm

re: #232 Celtic Templar

Do they really believe it or is a reaction to the G-d out of the classroom thing.

I think a lot of people are reacting for that reason. It's something that doesn't require much sacrifice and at the same time they can feel better about themselves for being a "faithful" Christian.

261 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:55:16pm

re: #253 erisldysnomia

Uh...

should scientists who do things like this be playing around with sh*t like recreating long lost viruses?

I believe we're already immune to these extinct viruses. So there's no danger. I would be worried if they brought back an extinct virus from another animal that isn't in our genome.

262 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:55:37pm

re: #253 erisldysnomia

Uh...

should scientists who do things like this be playing around with sh*t like recreating long lost viruses?

it is kind of ominous. but supposedly these paleo-viruses are designed to only reproduce once in the laboratory.

263 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:55:49pm
264 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:55:54pm

re: #253 erisldysnomia

Sounds like Eugenics 2.0?

265 mfarmer1  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:57:41pm

I vote "present."

266 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:58:04pm

re: #258 BBev

The only thing keeping me from getting a laptop is the limited gaming ability (I just have to blow stuff up sometimes). I'm sticking with my desktop. I throw a few hundred into it every year to keep it up to date.

267 so.cal.swede  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:58:15pm

re: #262 nyc redneck

it is kind of ominous. but supposedly these paleo-viruses are designed to only reproduce once in the laboratory.

Hey, I read The Stand!

268 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:58:35pm

re: #262 nyc redneck

it is kind of ominous. but supposedly these paleo-viruses are designed to only reproduce once in the laboratory.

Sounds exactly like the "control" used in Jurrasic Park...

269 vxbush  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 3:59:26pm

re: #268 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Sounds exactly like the "control" used in Jurrasic Park...

My thoughts, exactly.

Evening, everyone.

270 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:00:23pm

re: #267 so.cal.swede

Hey, I read The Stand!

lol,
that's what i'm talking abt.

271 mfarmer1  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:02:20pm

re: #256 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Caught some Dr Laura on the way home....

Your first mistake. Wondering why that sanctimonious blabbermouth would do such a thing was your second.

272 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:03:09pm

re: #261 Basho

I believe we're already immune to these extinct viruses. So there's no danger. I would be worried if they brought back an extinct virus from another animal that isn't in our genome.

Hmm... even that wouldn't effect us without a mutation. I guess it's safe, especially with the single reproduction thing. Phew, good thing these are left to professionals.

273 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:04:37pm

re: #264 Celtic Templar

Sounds like Eugenics 2.0?

There are presently ongoing scientific projects to design viruses that would infect people with health. Their sole action would be to excise the flawed genetic sequences that cause inherited diseases from germline DNA, and replace them with the normal sequences that do non do so. That's a kind of positive eugenics I can accept - one that could ensure that no one ever again has to worry about their kids or grandkids being born with Huntington's Chorea, or Tay-Sach's Syndrome, or Sickle-Cell Anemia, or Hemophilia, or Multiple Sclerosis, or Cystic Fibrosis, or Muscular Dystrophy...

274 Caliredst8r  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:05:06pm

In all the churches I attended when I was a child, in all the Sunday school talks and lessons about creation, I've never heard anyone say that the earth is only 4,000(or whatever) years old. Are there actually groups who believe this? Or is this just what people think creationist believe, or something they project onto creationists? Like when people claim that Republicans want to bring back the draft, or bring back slavery?

For the record, I do believe in evolution, how can we not? But nature sure is a cold hearted b**ch.

275 vxbush  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:06:37pm

re: #274 Caliredst8r

In all the churches I attended when I was a child, in all the Sunday school talks and lessons about creation, I've never heard anyone say that the earth is only 4,000(or whatever) years old. Are there actually groups who believe this? Or is this just what people think creationist believe, or something they project onto creationists? Like when people claim that Republicans want to bring back the draft, or bring back slavery?

For the record, I do believe in evolution, how can we not? But nature sure is a cold hearted b**ch.

There are young-earth creationists that believe anything from 4,000 years to 15,000 and some even out to 300,000 years. But most people hear "creationist" and assume only the view of 4,000 years. So it's a bit of both.

Now: who has the chocolate tonight? I haven't had enough today.

276 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:07:27pm

re: #251 so.cal.swede

The Pope has said that the book of genesis is not a book of science. it's a book of faith, written by fallible men.

that's where catholicism and evangelicals differ, the evangelicals tend to think that the book of genesis is a book of science, and that it is the 100% true and correct word of God.

I know that we never used the Bible in science class at the parochial school I attended. I know we rarely used the Bible in Math class (if Jane has 1.75 and Bibles for Pagen Babies are 34 cents, how many Bibles can Jane buy? - I'm old. we were saving pennies for the children of CARE instead of the children of CAIR)

277 Caliredst8r  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:08:55pm

re: #275 vxbush


"There are young-earth creationists that believe anything from 4,000 years to 15,000 and some even out to 300,000 years."


Amazing! How then do they explain dinosaurs? Or did they die out only recently?

278 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:09:14pm

re: #251 so.cal.swede

The Pope has said that the book of genesis is not a book of science. it's a book of faith, written by fallible men.

that's where catholicism and evangelicals differ, the evangelicals tend to think that the book of genesis is a book of science, and that it is the 100% true and correct word of God.

Catholics also believe that Bible is 100% true and the correct word of God. We just realize that we lack the capacity to understand all of it ;)

279 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:10:14pm

re: #277 Caliredst8r

"There are young-earth creationists that believe anything from 4,000 years to 15,000 and some even out to 300,000 years."


Amazing! How then do they explain dinosaurs? Or did they die out only recently?

God put them there to "trick" us into thinking the Earth is older.

Not kidding, I've actually heard that as an arguement.

280 Charles  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:10:37pm

re: #274 Caliredst8r

In all the churches I attended when I was a child, in all the Sunday school talks and lessons about creation, I've never heard anyone say that the earth is only 4,000(or whatever) years old. Are there actually groups who believe this? Or is this just what people think creationist believe, or something they project onto creationists? Like when people claim that Republicans want to bring back the draft, or bring back slavery?

No, there are indeed people who believe in and promote the literal Biblical story of creation. It's not just a few, and they have lots of money from somewhere. See:

[Link: answersingenesis.org...]

281 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:10:39pm

re: #277 Caliredst8r

"There are young-earth creationists that believe anything from 4,000 years to 15,000 and some even out to 300,000 years."


Amazing! How then do they explain dinosaurs? Or did they die out only recently?

Yeah, in Noah's Flood.

282 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:11:44pm

re: #266 Killgore Trout

The only thing keeping me from getting a laptop is the limited gaming ability (I just have to blow stuff up sometimes). I'm sticking with my desktop. I throw a few hundred into it every year to keep it up to date.

I love my desk top it's a real power house but as I sit here in my living room with my wife soooooo many hours a lap top to do so I need to find one that can play games I like. The lap top I'm using right now was good but It is having some real problems, I can't get into "My Computer" IE7 is dead on it and my architectural program will not regenerate anymore

283 vxbush  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:11:59pm

re: #277 Caliredst8r

Amazing! How then do they explain dinosaurs? Or did they die out only recently?

Again, there are a variety of opinions. Some say they couldn't fit on to the ark, others say they were on the ark but then died out because of the environmental changes that happened post-flood.

284 Jim D  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:12:11pm

re: #277 Caliredst8r

check out the creationist museum posts. there are folks that believe man and dino peacefully coexisted. just like the flintstones i reckon

285 Charles  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:12:59pm

Here's AnswersInGenesis, trying to figure out if Sarah Palin really is a young earth creationist -- and they're hoping she is, of course:

[Link: answersingenesis.org...]

286 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:13:18pm

re: #284 Jim D

check out the creationist museum posts. there are folks that believe man and dino peacefully coexisted. just like the flintstones i reckon

I'm more of a Jetsons kinda guy...;~)

287 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:13:30pm

re: #285 Charles

Appropo - the Nutter Center is mentioned

288 lummox  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:13:36pm

re: #178 jordank

Imagine for a second if they invited as the opening speaker for the Republican convention an openly proud KKK leader. I would not tolerate that shit and I hope no one else here would. Now a KKK leader cannot do as much damage long-term as would a creationist-controlled US educational and scientific public system. As many posts on LGF point out, we would be living in the stone age real soon real fast. I hope that explains why we must be more open in denouncing these seemingly innocent but in reality dangerous ideas.

Balderdash, 99% of Americans would have no interest in these arguments.

289 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:13:56pm

re: #279 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

God put them there to "trick" us into thinking the Earth is older.

Not kidding, I've actually heard that as an arguement.

Heard that too. Easiest counter-argument to that: If that's true than how do you know the world wasn't created yesterday, and our memories are tricking us?

290 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:14:00pm

re: #282 BBev

I love my desk top it's a real power house but as I sit here in my living room with my wife soooooo many hours a lap top to do so I need to find one that can play games I like. The lap top I'm using right now was good but It is having some real problems, I can't get into "My Computer" IE7 is dead on it and my architectural program will not regenerate anymore

4 years ago when my daughter first started college, I'd say about 1/3 to 1/2 of the kids had desk tops. Today they all have laptops. And Mac's are gaining ground fast.

291 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:14:35pm

re: #277 Caliredst8r

"There are young-earth creationists that believe anything from 4,000 years to 15,000 and some even out to 300,000 years."


Amazing! How then do they explain dinosaurs? Or did they die out only recently?

Mine died when I was a kid. I cried for days. We never got another one.

/s

292 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:15:53pm

re: #291 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Mine died when I was a kid. I cried for days. We never got another one.

/s

Did they bury it in the back yard? It must have been too big to flush.

293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:16:22pm

Dino-steaks. Yummy.

294 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:16:27pm

re: #292 HelloDare

Did they bury it in the back yard? It must have been too big to flush.

Well, they're great on the grill.

295 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:16:28pm

re: #285 Charles

From that article, they believe the Grand Canyon was G-d's hand in judgement, not a meteor:

By the way, Sen. McCain is an admitted evolutionist, but he believes that God is/has been involved in the process: “I believe in evolution. But I also believe, when I hike the Grand Canyon and see it at sunset, that the hand of God is there also.” (As stated at the 2007 GOP primary debate at the Reagan Library in California, May 3, 2007.) We wish to point out, however, that the Grand Canyon is a monument to judgment—the Flood of Noah’s day—so with the Canyon, it is actually God’s hand in judgment, not in creation, that we see

296 looking closely  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:18:18pm

God put in those viral homologous DNA sequences just to test your belief.

They don't mean anything.

297 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:18:29pm

re: #289 Basho

Heard that too. Easiest counter-argument to that: If that's true than how do you know the world wasn't created yesterday, and our memories are tricking us?

Or the reply: If God would have gone to all the trouble to make all those rocks and dinosaur bones date so early and stick all that stuff in our genes just to mess with us, why wouldn't God have done something much easier and just messed with those old guys who wrote Genesis?

298 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:19:27pm

the retroviruses were some of "the most important enemies we ever had.
they helped mold the immune system that is one of the evolutionary marvels of life on earth."
it played out w/ surges and skirmishes. it was war and we won. and we have the trophies on display.
that is so wild. almost incomprehensible.

299 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:19:52pm

re: #294 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Well, they're great on the grill.


only if you marinate the meat all night...otherwise a tad bit tough..
those damn T-Rex T-Bones are really tough

300 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:20:31pm

GZLives just threw in a post (#741) at the end of the inactive "Obama on O'Reilly" thread.

I happened to be there and attempted to set it straight.

301 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:21:00pm

re: #299 HoosierHoops

only if you marinate the meat all night...otherwise a tad bit tough..
those damn T-Rex T-Bones are really tough

So are grandma's?

302 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:21:10pm
But these retroviruses are more than just curiosities. They are some of the most important enemies we ever had. They helped mold the immune system that is one of the evolutionary marvels of life on Earth.

Why do I get the feeling Michael Behe is confused?

303 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:21:10pm

re: #257 ploome hineni

#219 Celtic Templar


no

Christians do not understand the Jewish Bible as Jews do

that is where Christianity diverges from Judiasm

I always thought Christianity diverged from Judaism around the beginning of the New Testament?

304 Caliredst8r  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:23:43pm

re: #280 Charles


Interesting website, they say that dinosaurs were taken onto the ark, but just happened to die out later. Just happened to die out! How nice and convenient for them to do so.

305 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:23:48pm

re: #295 Celtic Templar

From that article, they believe the Grand Canyon was G-d's hand in judgement, not a meteor:

Uh... the Grand Canyon has nothing to do with meteors. It was formed by river erosion when a plain was elevated by plate techtonics. As for McCain seeing God's hand, I think he was speajking more metaphorically not as a creationist.


To see a World in a grain of sand,
And Heaven in a wild flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.
306 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:24:28pm

re: #304 Caliredst8r

Interesting website, they say that dinosaurs were taken onto the ark, but just happened to die out later. Just happened to die out! How nice and convenient for them to do so.

The tripped getting off the boat. How ironic.

307 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:24:50pm

re: #300 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks, pBMb. I got kinda busy here in real life.

308 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:25:47pm

have a great night all

and weekend.

309 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:27:02pm

Was Santa on the ark? I know the tooth fairy was. She shared a stateroom with a nice unicorn couple.

310 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:27:25pm

re: #307 wrenchwench

Thanks, pBMb. I got kinda busy here in real life.

I deserves another whack job. Pass the word.

311 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:27:44pm

re: #305 Kenneth

Colorado river - I don't know what I was thinking - Meteor crater, AZ maybe then Arizona confusing me with McCain (alas, my ADHD kicks in) .. . but you're right, river erosion.

312 mfarmer1  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:28:11pm

I got into a discussion about this recently with someone who actually knows and worked with Obama and Ayers from her days at the CAC...another story. Anyway, she asked me how I could possibly like Palin given the *fact* that she wants to burn books and teach creationism in public schools and all of that. For me, even as an atheist, this was actually an easy answer. I already have to pull the lever or punch the chad for someone who I know believes in what I think is a bunch of fairytale gobbledygook. So even if someone like Palin and/or young-Earthers seem way out there to most, they're already there from my perspective.

I have to put that aside and vote based on the other substantive issues, such as my wallet and national sovereignty for example.

And yes, I asked my friend how she could possibly support someone who does business in any way with Ayers. That was a VERY interesting discussion.

313 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:28:20pm

re: #309 HelloDare

Was Santa on the ark? I know the tooth fairy was. She shared a stateroom with a nice unicorn couple.

A three some? I didn't know the tooth fairy was easy?

314 debutaunt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:30:31pm

re: #313 Nevergiveup

A three some? I didn't know the tooth fairy was easy?

Based on internet information, the tooth fairy was a teenager and quite a slut.

315 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:30:32pm

re: #290 Nevergiveup

4 years ago when my daughter first started college, I'd say about 1/3 to 1/2 of the kids had desk tops. Today they all have laptops. And Mac's are gaining ground fast.

Do they have the power to play the new games, in that they will also have the power to do my work also. My wife is very sick so I spend many hours sitting here with her working and playing.

316 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:30:50pm

re: #285 Charles

Is there any indication of how many supporters this web site has?
The reason I ask is that no church I have ever attended has this even been on the radar screen. As a musician, I play services for all kinds of churches (albeit in California). I have attended my home town church in Virginia, (of which I am no longer a member) and never heard a peep about it there, and they are pretty hard core Baptists.

I think I would have seen it in some official literature or something.

How do we know this is not the equivalent of Coast to Coast for Christians?

317 Caliredst8r  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:31:22pm

re: #306 HelloDare

I suppose anything could happen, I wonder if John Kerry and his magic hat had anything to do with it? GW might have sent him on a secret mission back in '68 to take care of the dino problem. Just to make sure there was plenty of oil for ChimpyMcBush and his cronies to exploit and profit from when he is selected President in 2001. Something like that must be seared, SEARED, into John Kerry's mind and perhaps that's why he's the fruitcake that he is today.

318 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:31:59pm
319 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:32:32pm

re: #309 HelloDare

Was Santa on the ark? I know the tooth fairy was. She shared a stateroom with a nice unicorn couple.

Yeah, but she transferred her billet to bunk with the Great Pumpkin in a huff when the unicorns invited the Easter Bunny in to share.

320 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:32:53pm

re: #315 BBev

Do they have the power to play the new games, in that they will also have the power to do my work also. My wife is very sick so I spend many hours sitting here with her working and playing.

Not being a gamer, I really can't say. But college play games, so I am assuming yes?

321 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:33:31pm

re: #313 Nevergiveup

A three some? I didn't know the tooth fairy was easy?

I said a stateroom not a berth. Please. Think of the children.

322 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:33:58pm

re: #309 HelloDare

Was Santa on the ark? I know the tooth fairy was. She shared a stateroom with a nice unicorn couple.

I think we can discuss this without insulting other lizards beliefs.

323 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:36:14pm

re: #316 rawmuse

Well, here's a link to Evolution by Partisanship

And here's our standing among the "civilized" world

These people are getting the idea from somewhere.

324 Alouette  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:37:11pm

re: #256 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Caught some Dr Laura on the way home. Seems like every time she had to answer a question about a problem family member, she threw in a little aside as an attack on Palin. WTF?

Dr. Laura is so over. The local radio moved her program to the graveyard shift after she admitted that she wasn't really following the religion she allegedly converted to. What an evil, sour bitch.

325 rabidfox  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:37:12pm

re: #137 jordank

Sorry, but 99% of the people can live out their lives productively and happily and not give a damn one way or the other about creationism vs evolution. Unless you're into the sciences, the question has no relevant impact on you life. For this, McCain should purge the party? That's a democrat wet dream.

326 kuffar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:37:50pm

re: #8 karmic_inquisitor

Europe!

327 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:38:07pm

re: #318 ploome hineni

Christians interpret the Bible differently, and then there are the GOspels, which describe these differences

I have a question, is it true that the Christian 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill" reads in it's original Hebrew text as "Thou shalt not murder" ?

328 runrabbitrun  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:38:30pm

Hey friends...

Can y'all tell me the most productive way to donate to McCain/Palin?

GOP? Mac website - is there only one? Or will it all go into the same campaign fund? I really don't want GOP general use.

(when I dogpile'd donate McCain, top result was the Kosmix.com banner 'Donate to Obama' =p)

329 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:39:51pm

Totally away from the topic of the thread, however the contemporary story run at the time of the accident that killed Joe Biden's wife:

[Link: lookinginatiowa.wordpress.com...]

It appears that she either did not see the truck coming, jumped the stop sign, being distracted by the kids or any of the numerous things that happen to any parent who is driving with a load of kids in a car. The story about the truck driver being drunk is entirely bogus on Biden's part and invented to generate sympathy.

330 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:42:12pm

re: #178 jordank

Or you are simply trying to bugger the election for the candidate that falls on the wrong side of these minor issues. These beliefs are more important for school board elections than Presidential elections, since the school board level is where they actually influence the curriculum.

However, feel free to continue on this path where you demonstrate your vast knowledge of electoral politics, it should make for an amusing FNDT.

331 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:42:27pm

re: #322 kcladderman

I think we can discuss this without insulting other lizards beliefs.

Absolutely! How dare that SOB sully the sacredness of The Tooth Fairy by suggesting that She was cavorting with common unicorns. As if!
/s

332 Bobibutu  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:43:11pm

re: #327 callahan23

I have a question, is it true that the Christian 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill" reads in it's original Hebrew text as "Thou shalt not murder" ?

I do not read Hebrew but that is what I have been taught and research seems to confirm.

333 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:43:20pm

re: #327 callahan23

I have a question, is it true that the Christian 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill" reads in it's original Hebrew text as "Thou shalt not murder" ?

We actually referred to it as thou shalt not murder in Catholic school .. then I heard later thou shalt not kill.

334 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:43:22pm

re: #315 BBev

Do they have the power to play the new games, in that they will also have the power to do my work also. My wife is very sick so I spend many hours sitting here with her working and playing.

Oh BBev.. I'm so sorry for you. I pray your wife gets well real soon..
Best wishes!
Pricewise The new dual core intel laptops can play about anything and supply plenty of bang for the buck..
Now if you want to spend alittle bit more go for the new AMD chips..
Several years ago AMD designed the classic FX-57 chip that places the memory controller in the chip itself instead of on the north/south bridge of the motherboard. For high speed gaming and great performance nothing touches an AMD chip..

335 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:43:37pm

re: #327 callahan23

I have a question, is it true that the Christian 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill" reads in it's original Hebrew text as "Thou shalt not murder" ?

The bible makes many moral differences with regards to killing. That's why David slew Goliath.

Thou shalt not murder is correct, because some killing is right and others are wrong.

336 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:43:59pm

re: #329 Shr_Nfr

Totally away from the topic of the thread, however the contemporary story run at the time of the accident that killed Joe Biden's wife:

[Link: lookinginatiowa.wordpress.com...]

It appears that she either did not see the truck coming, jumped the stop sign, being distracted by the kids or any of the numerous things that happen to any parent who is driving with a load of kids in a car. The story about the truck driver being drunk is entirely bogus on Biden's part and invented to generate sympathy.

i heard mark levin talking abt. this. biden just can not tell the truth.
he has such a compulsion to exaggerate and lie.
isn't there a name for that disease?

337 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:44:14pm

re: #330 CyanSnowHawk

Or not, since you got the stick.

338 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:44:19pm

re: #327 callahan23

Thou shalt not commit (or do) murder.
To use "kill" is not correct.

339 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:44:41pm

re: #329 Shr_Nfr

You know what? That was a long time ago, it was a terrible personal tragedy for Senator Biden and has no bearing an anything today. Just drop it.

340 rabidfox  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:44:50pm

re: #184 Charles

Oops! I should have read further before responding to the idiot. Sorry about my last post.

341 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:45:05pm

re: #184 Charles

That's the sixth sock puppet of 'jordank' I've banned.

Previous names this idiot has used:

Andrew_KJ
jasonkct
senor_lewie
jaxon
jjdaniels

When do you suppose the new anti-LGF blog is going to go active?

342 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:45:20pm

OT: A Hillaryite explains defections to Palin.

It is a groundswell thing.

343 Alouette  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:46:32pm

re: #327 callahan23

I have a question, is it true that the Christian 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill" reads in it's original Hebrew text as "Thou shalt not murder" ?

לא תרצח = LO TIRZACH "Thou shalt not murder" (6th commandment)

לא להרג = LO LEHAREG "Thou shalt not kill" (not found anywhere in the Scriptures)

344 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:46:34pm

re: #341 CyanSnowHawk

When do you suppose the new anti-LGF blog is going to go active?

It could have a membership of thousands, all sock puppets of this one multihandled troll.

345 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:47:08pm

I believe Catholics hold "Thou shalt not kill" as the commandment. However, we have many stipulations:
Vatican "Thou shalt not kill"

346 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:47:41pm

re: #335 Basho

The bible makes many moral differences with regards to killing. That's why David slew Goliath.

Thou shalt not murder is correct, because some killing is right and others are wrong.

So for those who use this commandment in opposition to capital punishment, all it shows is your illiteracy.

There is a reason to oppose capital punishment, but that commandment isn't one.

347 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:48:06pm

PUMA Pac is in the game! And they are in it to win this thing - for McCain/Palin. Or rather, for PALIN.

Also in Spin-off links

Heh. GO PUMA!

348 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:49:17pm

re: #346 Basho

In Catholicism:

Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."

349 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:50:23pm

Interesting story at Investors' Business Daily (at IBDEditorials.com) that Glenn Beck brought up today:

Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals

An excerpt:

"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education." So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government.

Many of today's youth find the pitch attractive. "I may spend the rest of my life trying to create social movement," said Brian Coovert of the Cincinnati chapter. "There is always going to be work to do. Until we have a perfect country, I'll have a job."

Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. "It was too touchy-feely," said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. "It's a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias."

One of those -isms is "heterosexism," which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of "capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege."

The government now funds about half of Public Allies' expenses through Clinton's AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military, he said.

The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate the military — and stick American taxpayers with the bill.

Comrades NObama and Michelle My Belle make me want to hurl....

350 Bobibutu  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:50:47pm

re: #346 Basho

So for those who use this commandment in opposition to capital punishment, all it shows is your illiteracy.

There is a reason to oppose capital punishment, but that commandment isn't one.

There is also a reason to oppose war, but that commandment isn't one either.

Warriors break things and kill people. They do not murder the enemy.

351 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:50:48pm

re: #348 Celtic Templar

Bingo. The ONLY moral reason to oppose capital punishment is to prevent the killing of an innocent person.

352 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:50:57pm

re: #328 runrabbitrun

I think McCain is running on public funds now. I'm not sure you can donate anymore. You could buy some t-shirts and mugs from his store if you want.

353 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:51:09pm

re: #347 Intrepid

Just poop PUMA!

354 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:51:13pm

re: #343 Alouette

לא תרצח = LO TIRZACH "Thou shalt not murder" (6th commandment)

לא להרג = LO LEHAREG "Thou shalt not kill" (not found anywhere in the Scriptures)

I think that does it for me, thanks to all. Great reaction.
Even though I am an Atheist I would like to know as fodder for future discussions with peaceniks or Jehovah witnesses.

355 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:51:58pm

re: #339 Kenneth

You know what? That was a long time ago, it was a terrible personal tragedy for Senator Biden and has no bearing an anything today. Just drop it.

I agree there are a lot of things this man has said over the years that we can use to prove the content of his character.
If he for whatever reason wants to question the truck drivers sobriety I will give him a pass on that. I do think most people who have heard the story know what happened the driver was not at fault ,the accident investigation proved that.
If he has convinced himself that his wife was not responsible for the wreck that destroyed his life I am willing to let this one pass.

356 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:52:40pm

re: #348 Celtic Templar

In Catholicism:

Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."

I just can't feature anything but execution for sociopathically homicidal animals such as Chikatilo, Bundy, Gacy or Dahmer. Even when the courts refused to sentence Dahmer to death, the prisoners did.

357 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:53:00pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

I think McCain is running on public funds now. I'm not sure you can donate anymore. You could buy some t-shirts and mugs from his store if you want.

There are also local races one can support- or volunteer time to McCain/Palin and help get out the vote. Republicans need more than just money, folks. They need man hours.

358 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:53:26pm

re: #350 Bobibutu

Absolutely. I'm tired of hearing people, lefties usually, use that commandment to support their opposition to war or capital punishment.

359 nikis-knight  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:54:40pm

re: #335 Basho

The bible makes many moral differences with regards to killing. That's why David slew Goliath.

Thou shalt not murder is correct, because some killing is right and others are wrong.

Few weeks ago someone threw a hissy fit here about Dennis Prager making that same point. Never could figure that guy out.

360 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:55:48pm

re: #334 HoosierHoops

Oh BBev.. I'm so sorry for you. I pray your wife gets well real soon..
Best wishes!
Pricewise The new dual core intel laptops can play about anything and supply plenty of bang for the buck..
Now if you want to spend alittle bit more go for the new AMD chips..
Several years ago AMD designed the classic FX-57 chip that places the memory controller in the chip itself instead of on the north/south bridge of the motherboard. For high speed gaming and great performance nothing touches an AMD chip..

Thanks, thats good info

361 Bobibutu  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:55:48pm

re: #338 rawmuse

Thou shalt not commit (or do) murder.
To use "kill" is not correct.

interesting rm - my father taught it to me as "Thou shalt not do murder" (legal training)...

362 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:55:53pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

There are also local races one can support- or volunteer time to McCain/Palin and help get out the vote. Republicans need more than just money, folks. They need man hours.

And be vocal. Support our ticket. Be proud. And now we have something and someone to really be excited about. The wacko lefties are never gonna come around, but there may still be fence sitters out there. Don't be afraid to talk up!

363 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:56:32pm
364 Bobibutu  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:57:07pm

re: #358 Basho

Absolutely. I'm tired of hearing people, lefties usually, use that commandment to support their opposition to war or capital punishment.

Yeah - sigh - dogmatic ignorance.

365 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:58:00pm

re: #363 taxfreekiller

Sweet. I like it.

366 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:58:03pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

I think McCain is running on public funds now. I'm not sure you can donate anymore. You could buy some t-shirts and mugs from his store if you want.

But Osama Obama is not part of the government funds

367 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:58:58pm

On another note, Mr. Soros is giving away free Obama buttons. I suggest that everyone get one in appreciation of the special effort Mr. Soros is making in this campaign. Please do not use them for target practice. They do not look like a moose and the lead may back splatter at you. You should always wear your protective eye ware when shooting, but its better to paper punch at the range and not have to pick lead particles out of your eyes.

[Link: political.moveon.org...]

Not sure what I will do with my free one, but the metal recycling comes once a week.

368 runrabbitrun  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:59:01pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

There are also local races one can support- or volunteer time to McCain/Palin and help get out the vote. Republicans need more than just money, folks. They need man hours.

That we both already do. Calls, the grampa rabbit does some numbercrunching and IT work for our local offices, and also driving homebound voters on election day.

And you're right. Rove always credited personal outreach in local neighborhood and social networks for both of Bush's wins; squeakers, but that's what put him over the top.

369 nikis-knight  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:59:35pm

re: #323 Killgore Trout

Well, here's a link to Evolution by Partisanship

And here's our standing among the "civilized" world

These people are getting the idea from somewhere.

Frankly I couldn't care less. How about compare who contributes to protecting the world from barbarians or something that actually matters?

370 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 4:59:49pm

re: #362 Nevergiveup

And be vocal. Support our ticket. Be proud. And now we have something and someone to really be excited about. The wacko lefties are never gonna come around, but there may still be fence sitters out there. Don't be afraid to talk up!

I think the best way to do that is to give the ticket a few hours of your time where you can be both vocal and get the vote out. Sure- talk to your neighbors, co-workers and friends, but all that talk is worthless unless they vote.

371 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:00:10pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

There are also local races one can support- or volunteer time to McCain/Palin and help get out the vote. Republicans need more than just money, folks. They need man hours.

Particularly in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and Colorado. These are states that could put McCain/Palin over the top. But also in states where the Rep senate seat is in jeopardy. Virginia and Minnesota being two of them.

372 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:01:24pm

re: #367 Shr_Nfr

On another note, Mr. Soros is giving away free Obama buttons. I suggest that everyone get one in appreciation of the special effort Mr. Soros is making in this campaign. Please do not use them for target practice. They do not look like a moose and the lead may back splatter at you. You should always wear your protective eye ware when shooting, but its better to paper punch at the range and not have to pick lead particles out of your eyes.

[Link: political.moveon.org...]

Not sure what I will do with my free one, but the metal recycling comes once a week.

All you need is red paint or nail polish, and you can make a nice circle & slash logo over the button.

373 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:01:54pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

There are also local races one can support- or volunteer time to McCain/Palin and help get out the vote. Republicans need more than just money, folks. They need man hours.

1) Volunteering is worth more now than money, especially if you are in a state that is within 7 points of Obama. Folks can volunteer over the internet and do things like make phone calls and whatnot - it doesn't require going to an office. You can also host a campaign event at your house, knock on doors, place signs -- there are a million things you can do, and you get to meet like minded people in the process.

2) Money donated via the McCain website now goes to the "McCain Palin victory fund" which is essentially the RNC.

3) One of the best things that lizards can do is go to news web sites that have comment sections and refute the lies that Obamatons spread there. It does matter - that is how they got the Iraq war opposition going and it is how they framed the Katrina response (where state and local officials -- all Democrats -- escaped any blame on the national level).

374 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:01:57pm

re: #368 runrabbitrun

That we both already do. Calls, the grampa rabbit does some numbercrunching and IT work for our local offices, and also driving homebound voters on election day.

And you're right. Rove always credited personal outreach in local neighborhood and social networks for both of Bush's wins; squeakers, but that's what put him over the top.

Awesome- thak you. And it's true- all the money for ads and lawn signs are worthless unless we get the vote out.

375 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:02:36pm

re: #363 taxfreekiller

Friend, sometimes I just don't understand your posts, but that was one of your very best ever.

Direct from you heart & head to mine.

Amen.

376 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:02:45pm

re: #371 Intrepid

Particularly in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and Colorado. These are states that could put McCain/Palin over the top. But also in states where the Rep senate seat is in jeopardy. Virginia and Minnesota being two of them.

And if you live in a State like NY or Mass. well .....I mean you know miracles.....and ah....How about them Red Soxs?

377 debutaunt  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:02:46pm

re: #363 taxfreekiller

You really speak to me sometimes.

378 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:03:10pm

re: #369 nikis-knight

Frankly I couldn't care less. How about compare who contributes to protecting the world from barbarians or something that actually matters?

I accept the empirical evidence for evolutionary theory. I am also a military vet, who gained the education necessary to understand such things from using my GI Bill to go to college at the end of my tour of duty.

379 Lynn B.  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:03:24pm

re: #343 Alouette

לא תרצח = LO TIRZACH "Thou shalt not murder" (6th commandment)

לא להרג = LO LEHAREG "Thou shalt not kill" (not found anywhere in the Scriptures)


Actually, LO LEHAREG would translate as "Not to kill" ... but I pick nits.

380 nightintheruts  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:04:16pm

re: #60 maddogg

So liberal stupidity is a viral disease? We need to be working on a cure that does not require the use of heavy metals.

The use of heavy metals brings about headbanging...

381 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:04:26pm

Isn't it strange that I only heard the "Thou shalt not commit (or do) murder." in the Anglo-Saxon world?
In Germany you're only exposed to the "Thou shalt not kill.".
No wonder Germany, after The second WW, is such a pu$$y-nation when it comes to sending troops to defending the week (i.e. Kosovo) or oppose the Tyrant (i.e. Irak).

382 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:04:26pm

re: #363 taxfreekiller

That is the connection, Americans just want some one to do the job that needs doing, that will stay at it, that will not quit, that is it.

Just do the job.

like that

That's why Sarah Palin connects with people. She's just folks, someone from the community who's willing to work for the community. Not a hack, and not a career politician. She represents the best of America.

383 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:04:59pm

re: #316 rawmuse

Is there any indication of how many supporters this web site has?


An Alexa search for them turned up this

Answersingenisis.com has a traffic rank of: 6,406,709
384 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:06:11pm

re: #347 Intrepid

PUMA Pac is in the game! And they are in it to win this thing - for McCain/Palin. Or rather, for PALIN.

Also in Spin-off links

Heh. GO PUMA!

I disagree.. I have followed several sites that sprung up this year as PUMA sites.. In The Beginning..
PUMA strung up out of an real dislike of Obama and the way Hillary was treated during the elections..
Every single post seemed like a distain of obama and a vow to vote for McCain..The Dems are playing this down to thier peril..
Some sites are so ugly anti-obama it's ..well..you'll have to check for yourself.. But every single poster seemed pro-mccain and then john picked sarah..Simply f*cking brilliant..
Now woman not only crack the glass ceiling.. They fly over it piloted by a bush pilot, sarah..
The game just changed folks..It's a brand new game!
/
//Can i say one more thing? I cruise the net..have a web site..ect..But with all these sockpuppets and trolls lately.. I always am hoosierhoops no matter where i go or whomever i met..sometimes i google myself just to remember what I said 6 months ago...somewhere..
I am proud to be a lizard.. and if you ever see anyone use my nic let me know.. I'll need to kick some butt. LOL

385 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:06:46pm
386 Lynn B.  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:06:51pm

re: #312 mfarmer1

I got into a discussion about this recently with someone who actually knows and worked with Obama and Ayers from her days at the CAC...another story. Anyway, she asked me how I could possibly like Palin given the *fact* that she wants to burn books and teach creationism in public schools and all of that. For me, even as an atheist, this was actually an easy answer. I already have to pull the lever or punch the chad for someone who I know believes in what I think is a bunch of fairytale gobbledygook. So even if someone like Palin and/or young-Earthers seem way out there to most, they're already there from my perspective.

I have to put that aside and vote based on the other substantive issues, such as my wallet and national sovereignty for example.

And yes, I asked my friend how she could possibly support someone who does business in any way with Ayers. That was a VERY interesting discussion.

I hope you were able to point out to her that Palin neither wants to burn books nor teach creationism in public schools. Because those two soundbites are getting way too much play unchallenged and the MSM isn't going to debunk them.

387 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:06:54pm

re: #370 Sharmuta

I think the best way to do that is to give the ticket a few hours of your time where you can be both vocal and get the vote out. Sure- talk to your neighbors, co-workers and friends, but all that talk is worthless unless they vote.

I am a member of the Fire Fighters Union after 20 years the local union guys know of political stance quite well.
At the last meeting they were looking for help for the local and national democratic races. Said we need volunteers to man phone and go door to door,I told them I will not only volunteer to pass out literature door to door I will even bring my own!
They passed.

388 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:07:03pm

Here's a Senate race with a good, conservative candidate up against a flaming liberal, and the RNC just decided not to help their man.

SANTA FE -- Labor Day usually begins the home stretch of the political season. If candidates aren't ready to run by now they soon will be looking at the back sides of their opponents.
In New Mexico's U.S. Senate race, Democrat Tom Udall never slowed down after the June primary. Ads he had been running during his uncontested primary continued without pause.
Meanwhile Republican Steve Pearce took time out for regrouping, staff shuffling and fundraising. Pearce didn't get ads up until August and those have been aired primarily by special interest groups.
That is fortunate for Pearce because last Wednesday the Republican senatorial reelection committee announced that it would not be helping Pearce at all. Republican groups have been raising only about half what Democrats have this year.
That's a complete reversal from the past. The House and Senate GOP reelection committees have tried to remedy the situation by asking their members of Congress who have little or no opposition this year to contribute heavily to the reelection committees so they can put the money where it counts.
But few have been willing to share so the reelection committees have been concentrating on their incumbents who are in trouble. So far it hasn't hurt Pearce. His ads, funded by outside groups this past month have narrowed Rep. Tom Udall's lead from 25 points in June to less than 10 points now.
Pearce could make up that difference from his own deep pockets but has seemed reluctant to do so. He may be wise. Self-funding of campaigns usually doesn't work in New Mexico.
Gary Johnson did it successfully in his campaigns. Harry Teague used his own money to get himself over the top in his 2nd Congressional District primary contest this year.
It didn't work for Phil Maloof in his races against Heather Wilson 10 years ago. And it didn't work for losing Republicans in the 2nd Congressional District in the June primary. Generally, if you can't raise enough money from others, you can't win their votes either.
Ed Tinsley, in the 2nd district might have used some of his own money to help him hold off big spending opponents in the June primary but he didn't and won anyway. Bruce King, who served longer than any other governor in the state's 400-year history, was famous for never spending a penny of his personal fortune.
If Pearce can depend on outside groups, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Club For Growth, to keep shoveling in the money for his campaign ads, he may be able to close the gap behind Udall farther.
Retiring Sen. Pete Domenici sent out a July fundraising letter asking his donors to help out Pearce.
It was quite a gesture because the senator hasn't been enthusiastic about giving Pearce a formal endorsement because of his irritation with the Club For Growth ads run for Pearce against Rep. Heather Wilson in the June Senate primary that also indirectly went after Pete.
The Club For Growth ads against Udall ratcheted up the campaign tension considerably. The organization has some of the same big contributors as the Swiftboat campaign ads against Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 presidential campaign.
In August, Pearce began supplementing the television ads with full-page newspaper ads attacking Udall supporters for being hysterical left-wing environmentalists. The top half of the page featured two eye-catching hippies out of the 1960s and the bottom half charged that Udall put fish before families.
[...]

389 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:07:19pm

re: #381 callahan23

Isn't it strange that I only heard the "Thou shalt not commit (or do) murder." in the Anglo-Saxon world?
In Germany you're only exposed to the "Thou shalt not kill.".
No wonder Germany, after The second WW, is such a pu$$y-nation when it comes to sending troops to defending the week (i.e. Kosovo) or oppose the Tyrant (i.e. Irak).

I think a lot of churches in this country are also exposing people to the "TSN kill" meme. And a lot of soldiers coming back from war are probably suffering psychological problems because of it.

390 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:07:47pm

re: #385 ploome hineni

here is a word by word translation

[Link: www.mechon-mamre.org...]

Gee and I thought I would have nothing to do tonight?
/

391 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:08:13pm

re: #380 nightintheruts

re: #60 maddogg

So liberal stupidity is a viral disease? We need to be working on a cure that does not require the use of heavy metals.

The use of heavy metals brings about headbanging...

ROFLOL, BWAHAHAA!

392 Naso Tang  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:08:47pm

re: #140 buzzsawmonkey

You are full of a brown substance which, legend has it, can be evoked by a note of music.

Why don't you stick to what you are good at, meaning poetry (I'm a bad judge of that however) and puns?

I thought the post in question was funny. There is a saying about those who think humor is not allowed except when uttered by themselves.

393 snowcrash  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:08:54pm

OReilly is sickening lately.

394 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:09:22pm
395 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:09:46pm

re: #393 snowcrash

OReilly is sickening lately.

lately?

396 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:09:47pm

well, i'm going to the liquor store and return a bottle of corked wine.

397 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:10:27pm

re: #384 HoosierHoops

I have done a couple of sock puppets but I simply intended them as over-the-top faux trolls. "Geography Teacher" and "Don Black" were mine but I don't use them because people don't seem to pick up on the intended mockery. "Aisha" is the only nic around here that ever seemed to pull that off.

What ever happened to Aisha?

398 wolfie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:11:26pm

Well, my 17 yr old daughter, who's a HS senior, went to a Young Republicans group at a local college and they are stuffing envelopes and handing out fliers. Those of you w/ older high-school kids might suggest that option to them. (According to my daughter, the college kids are very nice and some of the boys are cute!)

399 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:11:33pm

re: #387 kcladderman

I can't stress this point enough- the Republicans now need our time. It's about as precious as our money- maybe even more so. I think defeating 0bama and putting John & Sarah in the Oval Office is worth the sacrifice of a few hours of my time.

400 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:11:43pm

re: #396 nyc redneck

well, i'm going to the liquor store and return a bottle of corked wine.

Anything Napa Valley.. Love the BV Merlot...Cabs...

401 wolfie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:12:18pm

re: #376 Nevergiveup

And if you live in a State like NY or Mass. well .....I mean you know miracles.....and ah....How about them Red Soxs?

Never give up, Nevergiveup.

402 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:12:49pm

re: #376 Nevergiveup

And if you live in a State like NY or Mass. well .....I mean you know miracles.....and ah....How about them Red Soxs?

Heh heh - Braves fan, myself. (yes, we ain't what we used to be - are there any pitchers out there lookin' for work? And want to see the Coke museum?)

Actually, I think it would be great if folks in NY and Mass would get out and work for McCain/Palin, and thereby force Obama to have to make a stop or two there in the next couple of months. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

He will need money, the way he's blowing through it. And he'll have to do a fund raiser or two. That takes time out of campaigning in battle ground states so he can go to either the West Coast or East Coast and beg for bucks.

And I don't think Joe Biden is going to draw in more than a couple hundred dollars for him, if that! Good choice for Veep there, Barack.

403 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:12:55pm

re: #400 HoosierHoops

Anything Napa Valley.. Love the BV Merlot...Cabs...

Support Sarah Palin, buy Alaskan wine!

404 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:13:06pm

re: #399 Sharmuta

I can't stress this point enough- the Republicans now need our time. It's about as precious as our money- maybe even more so. I think defeating 0bama and putting John & Sarah in the Oval Office is worth the sacrifice of a few hours of my time.

You obviously did not get the intended jab at my democratic union leadership.

405 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:13:26pm

re: #389 Basho

I think a lot of churches in this country are also exposing people to the "TSN kill" meme. And a lot of soldiers coming back from war are probably suffering psychological problems because of it.

I grew up in the 40's and 50's.
"Thou shalt not kill" was what I was taught.
It probably goes much further back.
Look into church history prior to the 20th Century (before WWI), and also prior to the Renaissance.

406 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:13:31pm
407 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:15:02pm
408 rightymouse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:15:40pm

re: #399 Sharmuta

I can't stress this point enough- the Republicans now need our time. It's about as precious as our money- maybe even more so. I think defeating 0bama and putting John & Sarah in the Oval Office is worth the sacrifice of a few hours of my time.

One of my friends who is a frustrating fence-sitter politically is now totally in the tank for McCain because of Palin. I asked her to spread the word any way she can.

There are lots of women out there like her. Some have not voted in years.

I wish you could have seen her face talking about Palin. It was extraordinary.

409 RubyTuesday  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:15:49pm

...waiting patiently for the FNDT to begin. Don't want to spend the first night of a glorious weekend defending my belief that I never evolved from an ape. See ya at the drinkie post!

410 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:15:54pm

re: #404 kcladderman

You obviously did not get the intended jab at my democratic union leadership.

No- I did. It's just I'm quite serious about getting people to volunteer their time. Your post is am excellent insight- the dems are mobilizing the people they have at their disposal. We need to make ourselves available to our side to do the same, and money is not enough. In the end, this battle will not come down to how spent more- it will come down to who got their vote out to the one poll that matters.

411 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:16:07pm

re: #401 wolfie

Never give up, Nevergiveup.

Oh wolfie I wish. Actually I am in NJ. I think we may have a chance actually, but NY or Mass.? I mean this is Election Day not Hanukkah?

412 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:16:41pm

re: #373 karmic_inquisitor

I was just named chief fund raiser for a state republican official and It does take money to defeat the left for they surly have a lot of it.

413 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:16:44pm

re: #409 RubyTuesday

OK. Goodbye, RubyTuesday.

414 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:16:59pm

re: #389 Basho

I think a lot of churches in this country are also exposing people to the "TSN kill" meme. And a lot of soldiers coming back from war are probably suffering psychological problems because of it.

That's what I was driving at.
Difference is, in Germany that "TSN kill" meme has infested virtually the whole society, combined with the fact that German society isn't all too free spirited (i.e. they don't value much the freedoms that come with democracy) you have a society that I'm afraid could anytime tilt towards totalitarianism again.

415 Lynn B.  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:17:13pm

re: #396 nyc redneck

well, i'm going to the liquor store and return a bottle of corked wine.

Yes! Return, return, return! Every one of those returned bottles is another reminder how bad those TCA-infected corks will be for the retailer's/distributor's/winery's bottom line, and another step toward the end of them.

416 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:18:02pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Wow- PIMF city. Excuse me folks- I think I need more coffee.

417 Outrider  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:18:07pm

re: #363 taxfreekiller

OT

Sort of:

Out fixing fence this afternoon, long stretch down in the bottom land,
little two lane blacktop road, very little traffic, big wheat fields plowed flat, with lots of wheat straw sticking up, nothing for miles, just the barbed wire fence.

Do not know why but , the movie

FARGO

came into my head.

Then this Sarah Palin thing, its been cooking in my head about the why
,
the movie, the lady county police , she had family, she had a job, she was a regular American, she had a job to do, she did her best, she kept at it, she did what had to be done there at the end of the movie.

That is the connection, Americans just want some one to do the job that needs doing, that will stay at it, that will not quit, that is it.

Just do the job.

like that


When I first started reading TFKs posts, I thought he was always posting after tasting a little too much of the grape. But the more and longer I read them, the more I found they actually did make sense.

Now I always look forward to reading TFKs post. Especially those regarding John effing Kerry. ;-)>

418 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:18:22pm

re: #384 HoosierHoops

Sorry - don't see the "disagreement" there, unless you were being sarcastic? Did I miss a sarc tag? I do that sometimes - my eyes, they ain't what they used to be!

:-)

419 LoFlyer  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:18:27pm

re: #409 RubyTuesday

...waiting patiently for the FNDT to begin. Don't want to spend the first night of a glorious weekend defending my belief that I never evolved from an ape. See ya at the drinkie post!

Care for a beer?

420 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:18:59pm

jwb7605?

421 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:18:59pm

re: #416 Sharmuta

Wow- PIMF city. Excuse me folks- I think I need more coffee.

or a coffee flavored drink :-)

422 rightymouse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:19:23pm

re: #363 taxfreekiller


You betcha. :)

423 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:19:41pm

Palin Now Viewed More Favorably Than McCain... and Obama

If they had read right wing blogs, they'd have known that Sarah Palin had become a GOP hero the past six months over her tough, articulate advocacy on drilling, and many people were touting her as a Veep-pick. Including Beldar, and including that guy who set up the Draft Palin website.

Maybe if you stupid fuckers could tear yourself away from your precious Daily Kos and FireDogLake for two fucking seconds and do your jobs, these "out of left field" surprises wouldn't keep sneaking up on you.

McCain knew the Republican base loved Palin. He knew this because the blogosphere, acting as a large ad-hoc (self-selected) focus group, had already indicated its enthusiasm for the choice, and therefore, most likely, the enthusiasm of the base as a whole.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Ace is talking about us!

424 Mike Nargizian  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:20:16pm

Thanks Charles -
I find this research and information incredibly interesting... and if the creationist nuts are the reason why you are now posting these links then I would like to thanks them for that...
It is said the greatest invention in the past 50 years is the mapping of the genome...
I found this link in the comments to the article very intersting as well...
Fear of the Invisible, by Janine Roberts

Thus it is not just mercury - there are a thousand things in the vaccines. Our children mostly do not fall ill from vaccination simply because nature gifts most of them with excellent immune systems...

This book, proof read for scientific accuracy by an eminent professor of pathology, gives not just detailed quotations but also names the scientists who are saying these things - giving web links where possible so people can read the original documents for themselves. The doctors cited said that they dare not tell the pubic about all this contamination - as they might demand a withdrawal of the vaccines. Thus we are still not told despite all the consequences for long-term public health.

425 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:20:20pm

re: #404 kcladderman

You obviously did not get the intended jab at my democratic union leadership.

I converted quite a few of my fellow union members and took those votes from Kerry. This election there are a lot more who listen when I talk.
We filled a bus with Firefighters For Bush when he came to town.
If Gov Palin comes to town we might need three or four. Even the young guys who normally keep a low profile when they go against the union are really fired up for McCain/Palin or at least against Obama bin Biden,as long as they pull the right lever in Nov their reasons are their own.

426 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:21:01pm

re: #405 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Reposting, "thou shalt not kill" is part of the Catholic catechism

with many stipulations, including war:


However, "as long as the danger of war persists and there is no international authority with the necessary competence and power, governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed."106
427 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:21:18pm

re: #360 BBev

re: #334 HoosierHoops

Oh BBev.. I'm so sorry for you. I pray your wife gets well real soon..
Best wishes!
Pricewise The new dual core intel laptops can play about anything and supply plenty of bang for the buck..
Now if you want to spend alittle bit more go for the new AMD chips..
Several years ago AMD designed the classic FX-57 chip that places the memory controller in the chip itself instead of on the north/south bridge of the motherboard. For high speed gaming and great performance nothing touches an AMD chip..

Thanks, thats good info

Actually, AMD's processors have all had on-die memory controllers since the introduction of the Socket 754/939 (Athlon 64/Sempron)/940 (early Opteron/FX series) processors (beginning late 2003).

428 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:21:46pm
429 WindHorse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:22:00pm

TFK,

I like your post at No 363.... BUT.... it was comment #363..... if you know what I mean...363...

I just know I would never be caught dead posting under comment #363....

/

430 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:22:11pm

re: #426 Celtic Templar

Reposting, "thou shalt not kill" is part of the Catholic catechism

with many stipulations, including war:

Very interesting.
Thanks from a Methodist.

431 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:22:58pm

I have been through five elections as a Firefighter and this is the first time I have seen this much opposition to the unions political endorsements.

432 Mike Nargizian  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:23:11pm

Oooops appears that book cited in the comments may be a little of a conspiratorial nutty book?

433 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:23:23pm

re: #430 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Very interesting.
Thanks from a Methodist.

No problem - I'm a Marine brat too - born at Cherry Point, MCAS.

Do we have the right to say Semper Fi, if so Semper Fi!

434 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:23:47pm

STOP THE PRESSES!

Sally Quinn on O'Reilly now says she was wrong about Sarah Palin!

At least she has initially - let's see how it plays out.

More details to follow....

435 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:24:05pm

re: #433 Celtic Templar

No problem - I'm a Marine brat too - born at Cherry Point, MCAS.

Do we have the right to say Semper Fi, if so Semper Fi!

Graduated from CLHS

436 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:24:24pm

re: #397 karmic_inquisitor

I have done a couple of sock puppets but I simply intended them as over-the-top faux trolls. "Geography Teacher" and "Don Black" were mine but I don't use them because people don't seem to pick up on the intended mockery. "Aisha" is the only nic around here that ever seemed to pull that off.

What ever happened to Aisha?

Not sure..thank's for your reply..maybe someday there will a little hoosierhoops_sockpuppet. But other than dinging rights.. I've always been straight up with people in person or on the web..
I have started a charity called food4humanity.org and my home phone is listed on the front page..My wife called me an idiot and now I'm installing a new home phone...I don't cares who knows me..someday I hope to have a charity that is a world class organization that really makes an impact on our world...Cindy McCains video had the big old hoopster crying real tears. I want to make an impact like cindy mccain.
God willing..Our family will..
/talking too much? girls night out..you all are stuck with me tonight and the merlot..
Regards

437 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:25:25pm

re: #405 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I grew up in the 40's and 50's.
"Thou shalt not kill" was what I was taught.
It probably goes much further back.
Look into church history prior to the 20th Century (before WWI), and also prior to the Renaissance.

I was basing that opinion almost entirely on a Dateline story about soldiers coming back from Iraq with psychological problems. And the reporter made a big deal about how they're reconciling their Christian faith that "teaches TSN kill" with the things they did in the war.

Maybe it was just another dumb reporter not knowing what he was talking about and maybe it was blown out of proportion, idk.

438 stevieray  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:25:29pm
439 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:25:33pm

jwb7605 ... you in here?

440 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:26:20pm

re: #435 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Very cool - my father was in DI school before my mother threatened him with divorce ;)

441 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:26:27pm

re: #431 kcladderman

I have been through five elections as a Firefighter and this is the first time I have seen this much opposition to the unions political endorsements.

That's awesome. You guys/gals can really stick it to the union and volunteer time to McCain/Palin.

442 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:26:37pm

re: #437 Basho

I was basing that opinion almost entirely on a Dateline story about soldiers coming back from Iraq with psychological problems. And the reporter made a big deal about how they're reconciling their Christian faith that "teaches TSN kill" with the things they did in the war.

Maybe it was just another dumb reporter not knowing what he was talking about and maybe it was blown out of proportion, idk.

It sounds like a politicized reporter.

443 mfarmer1  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:27:02pm

re: #386 Lynn B.

I hope you were able to point out to her that Palin neither wants to burn books nor teach creationism in public schools. Because those two soundbites are getting way too much play unchallenged and the MSM isn't going to debunk them.

Indeed I did. I also noted that even if EVERYTHING tossed at Palin this last week is true...it's NOTHING compared to the admitted past of Bill Ayers and Obama's involvement with him.

In a nutshell, I found out this about Ayers: He apparently has an ego so large it will not fit into a stadium. He's not particularly liked even by most Obama supporters, but he is respected for his (dare I say?) community organizing and service long after his early days of making bombs. From what I was told, he's "revered" in Chicago's educational establishment and is like Indiana Jones, an attractive older guy who finds himself surrounded by adoring young women after class who are hot for his bad boy image. In fact, it's that image and the attention he gets from it according to my friend which keeps him from asking for forgiveness for his past.

In other words, he's an unrepentant terrorist, an egomaniac, an all around douche-bag, but one heck of a community organizer.

444 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:27:02pm

re: #427 talon_262

Actually, AMD's processors have all had on-die memory controllers since the introduction of the Socket 754/939 (Athlon 64/Sempron)/940 (early Opteron/FX series) processors (beginning late 2003).

I need a lap top that won't shut down when I' regenerating an architectural 3-D image.

445 rabidfox  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:27:09pm

re: #392 Naso Tang
WTF? He was directing that comment at the moby. BTW, I thought it was hysterical.

446 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:27:55pm

re: #440 Celtic Templar

Very cool - my father was in DI school before my mother threatened him with divorce ;)

Meaning? ... Perhaps he was changing into something which she hadn't married? ... Perhaps getting too intense?

447 wolfie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:28:10pm

re: #411 Nevergiveup

Oh wolfie I wish. Actually I am in NJ. I think we may have a chance actually, but NY or Mass.? I mean this is Election Day not Hanukkah?

So true. Yet small gains by conservatives in liberal bastions may stick and slowly grow.

I wonder what the USA will be like when my kids are my age. The whole country could be as left-wing as Massachusetts is today. (I see that as a real possibility...though not a probability.) What should they do then?

448 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:28:25pm

re: #437 Basho

What does a reporter know about matters of faith anyhow? And what is it anyone's business? That crap angers me to no extent. How does the reporter reconcile being one of Satan's minions?

449 rightymouse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:28:55pm

re: #434 Intrepid

STOP THE PRESSES!

Sally Quinn on O'Reilly now says she was wrong about Sarah Palin!

At least she has initially - let's see how it plays out.

More details to follow....

Good.
I'd love to see Senator Sherrod Brown's wife, Connie Schultz, eat the words she barfed all over the Cleveland Plain Dealer on Wednesday too.

450 Basho  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:28:57pm

re: #448 Celtic Templar

How does the reporter reconcile being one of Satan's minions?

LOL! :)

451 LoFlyer  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:28:57pm

McCain and crew could have opted for Romney or Huckabee, both had spent much time campaigning for McCain. They were the obvious choice, but by choosing Palin, McCain sent a message that this was not your standard campaign, And he was running with a political "soul-mate", not a compromise. The speech he made last night, the last 15 minutes are as great as any Reagan produced. I am solidly behind McCain in this one. The libs at work are bemoaning the "dumbing down" of government because Palin did not graduate from Yale or some other elitest university.
/I will take common sense and logic over Yale any day or any debate....

452 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:29:44pm

re: #423 Nevergiveup

Ace has just been nailing the crap out of that idiot Andrew Sullivan this past week. Brutally and factually, too.

It's a great election season to be a blog reader!

453 Celtic Templar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:29:44pm

re: #446 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oh, very intense - Great Santini intense. Bouncing quarters off my sheet intense. My mom put her foot down - my dad quit and went back to teaching logistics.

454 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:29:53pm

re: #447 wolfie

So true. Yet small gains by conservatives in liberal bastions may stick and slowly grow.

I wonder what the USA will be like when my kids are my age. The whole country could be as left-wing as Massachusetts is today. (I see that as a real possibility...though not a probability.) What should they do then?

Join the military?

455 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:30:11pm

re: #428 ploome hineni

too bad Germans were not taught ethical behavior

They learned the wrong lessons of the Nazi-Era, or should I say the fast-lane version - As almost every German would automatically say no to war, without so much of a thought invested into the reasons for going to war.
And that leads to such enormously populist decisions as that of the former Chancellor Schröder to categorically say no to any engagement in the Irak war.

456 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:30:45pm

re: #453 Celtic Templar

Oh, very intense - Great Santini intense. Bouncing quarters off my sheet intense. My mom put her foot down - my dad quit and went back to teaching logistics.

LOL!
I understand.
My Dad was never that way.

457 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:30:59pm

re: #354 callahan23

Please remember that the entire OT was a redaction done around 720 BCE after the discovery of a manuscript during some temple reconstruction. After that it became canon and even had a checksum. When you were the scribe you counted a certain number of letters down from the front and the same number of letters back from the rear and were supposed to hit on the same place. If you did not, you had an error in your transcription.

In any and all events, the words used in any of the scriptures (except for the more recent stuff like the book of Mormon that has large cribs from the KJV) had different nuance of meaning 1500-2700 years ago. Languages evolve, circumstances change.

A reference to the redaction is [Link: alencon13.blogspot.com...] The that is mentioned in the comments goes into the stuff in much greater depth.

458 kuffar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:31:11pm

There is a new facebook... Um. Should I be worried? Like the licensing thing with the new Google?

459 wolfie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:31:47pm

re: #431 kcladderman

I have been through five elections as a Firefighter and this is the first time I have seen this much opposition to the unions political endorsements.

That is good news........and your own efforts to spread the word are inspiring.

460 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:32:03pm

re: #451 LoFlyer

She hunts, goes fishing ride a snow mobile is smart and articulate and a babe. I would merry her if I could.

461 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:32:21pm

re: #425 kcladderman

I have a feeling that there will be a huge number of McCain/Palin voters in November who will be pulling that lever NOT because of the issues, but because of the babe factor.

Men AND women.

Doesn't matter - we'll take those votes!

462 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:32:31pm

Getting involved in the party is also a great way we Lizards can work within the party itself to start to get our fellow conservatives to see the problem with promoting creationist/ID science. They can all believe whatever they'd like to believe personally, but we need to start to get our fellow conservatives to understand that religious beliefs should not be central to our party, and that ID is a loosing issue politically as well as legally.

463 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:32:52pm

re: #418 Intrepid

Sorry - don't see the "disagreement" there, unless you were being sarcastic? Did I miss a sarc tag? I do that sometimes - my eyes, they ain't what they used to be!

:-)

When i reread my post i would totally would agree with you..sorry..
OK 1/2 bottle of wine and the hoopster is *hic* slowing down now :)

464 kuffar  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:33:58pm

re: #431 kcladderman

I have been through five elections as a Firefighter and this is the first time I have seen this much opposition to the unions political endorsements.

I intend to leave my Union if Obama gets elected. I just don't trust him, union politics, the DNC and all that.

465 wolfie  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:34:06pm

re: #436 HoosierHoops

Bravo, Hoops!
Boy. This must be inspiration Friday!

Although,...er,.if you were to offer the rest of us a bit of merlot,......

466 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:35:43pm

re: #434 Intrepid

STOP THE PRESSES!

Sally Quinn on O'Reilly now says she was wrong about Sarah Palin!

At least she has initially - let's see how it plays out.

More details to follow....

Alas, she really didn't change what she's said before - she still believes that Sarah Palin should be at home with her Down Syndrome child and keep her pretty little head out of matters that are too difficult for her to understand.

So basically, she was lying when she apologised. She hasn't changed at all.

Stupid, vacuous, elitist women really make me want to punch them in their stunted little rhinoplasty-created noses!

grrrrrrrr... :-(

467 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:35:57pm

re: #427 talon_262

Actually, AMD's processors have all had on-die memory controllers since the introduction of the Socket 754/939 (Athlon 64/Sempron)/940 (early Opteron/FX series) processors (beginning late 2003).

yes.. bought what i need to clarify.. It was the FX-57 that turned us gamers heads..WOW! everybody that wanted performance was buying the 57's..
agreed?

468 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:37:52pm

re: #457 Shr_Nfr

Wow, thanks.

469 LoFlyer  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:38:16pm

re: #460 BBev

She hunts, goes fishing ride a snow mobile is smart and articulate and a babe. I would merry her if I could.

Already taken by the "first dude", a guy who has won like four 2000 km snowmobile races. I have no doubt he could kick my ass, so I am not trying!

470 BBev  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:38:30pm

re: #467 HoosierHoops

yes.. bought what i need to clarify.. It was the FX-57 that turned us gamers heads..WOW! everybody that wanted performance was buying the 57's..
agreed?

Thanks all, I think it will help when I go shopping in the morning.

471 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:38:54pm

re: #372 Who Watches the Watchmen?

True. I could probably do some photoshop transparencies to put over it also. But I am lazy. Mine will get recycled like a good environmentalist that I am.

Come to think of it, you know you get a lot of individual buttons by using different names with a @yahoo.com email account sent to your address at Apt. A, Apt. B, Apt C., etc. Just think of it as an Eye0pener (for those who remember the EyeOpener fiasco of selling a machine that cost them 300 bucks to make for 100 bucks that you could then hack into a general purpose PC)

I apologize for suggesting deception in getting these. I actually do not mean to suggest that people get multiple buttons from Mr. Soros one at a time. But you could help him by giving them away to your friends and family and dog and cat and tree in the back yard to show your appreciation of his efforts.

472 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:39:34pm

re: #415 Lynn B.

Yes! Return, return, return! Every one of those returned bottles is another reminder how bad those TCA-infected corks will be for the retailer's/distributor's/winery's bottom line, and another step toward the end of them.

mission accomplished. i got two nice french reds.
what is a TCA-infected cork? btw. sounds serious.

473 nightintheruts  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:40:17pm

re: #447 wolfie

So true. Yet small gains by conservatives in liberal bastions may stick and slowly grow.

I wonder what the USA will be like when my kids are my age. The whole country could be as left-wing as Massachusetts is today. (I see that as a real possibility...though not a probability.) What should they do then?


I look at mine and think the same thing.
All we can do is train them up in the way they should go...

Maybe they'll be like John Connor and wipe out Libnet....

474 rightymouse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:40:36pm

re: #466 Intrepid

Alas, she really didn't change what she's said before - she still believes that Sarah Palin should be at home with her Down Syndrome child and keep her pretty little head out of matters that are too difficult for her to understand.

As the working mother of an autistic child and having raised 4 step-children in the process (and still married to my sweety), I say let Sally Quinn and her ilk bloviate all they want and drill a deeper hole for Obama.

475 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:41:09pm

Good evening, all.

Looks like Hannah is gonna come ashore in SC (probably in the Charleston area), though in SE NC we are going to get some of it. Here's the local radar loop. I'll live blog it as it happens, this being a drinking thread (wink wink, nudge nudge).

Right now it's starting to rain pretty good but the winds aren't all that bad yet.

476 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:41:56pm

The trust-funded Beautiful People of the mainstream media and the Democratic Party are unanimous. Sarah Palin is a bad person. A very, very bad person.

Here is a list - a very partial list - of the reasons that the governor of Alaska is not qualified to be vice president of the United States.

[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]

Very Funny and good. Worth the read.

477 Dustoff-507  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:42:18pm

TFK.....

He post in his own special way... (-;

Keep it up brother.

478 RubyTuesday  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:42:45pm

re: #419 LoFlyer
Why aren't you just the kindest gentleman evah. Thank you, I believe I will.

479 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:42:56pm

re: #474 rightymouse

As the working mother of an autistic child and having raised 4 step-children in the process (and still married to my sweety), I say let Sally Quinn and her ilk bloviate all they want and drill a deeper hole for Obama.

I didn't know that about you, righty. God bless you.

480 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:44:48pm

re: #323 Killgore Trout

Well, we have the evidence borne out by the web sites and polls, and first hand evidence on my part that does not support the aforementioned, so either I have not been paying attention in church or this is all so much static.

I am going to take Johnny Mac's advice and not let the static interfere with the objective.

481 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:44:55pm

re: #102 Dianna

Did they crib that from him in "A package of great value will come to you shortly" in At Bathing At Baxter's? Have not read a lot of Origen. Eusebius yes, some of the other early proto-Christians yes, the Gnostic stuff like the Hamaddi library yes. The New Testament Apocrypha (2 vol set) yes. Didn't see it there. Anyway, I think that their interpretation of peninsula was somewhat different from that of a man that castrated himself.

482 callahan23  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:45:07pm

re: #476 Nevergiveup

I am not through yet, but definitely a fine laugh.

483 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:45:11pm

re: #472 nyc redneck

mission accomplished. i got two nice french reds.
what is a TCA-infected cork? btw. sounds serious.

Sounds really nice.. a full bodied red is great.. You know the white french wines taste wierd to me..Don't get me going..
The Hoopster attended Napa Valley Junior college for 2 years before transfering to State. We scammed every place you could to find free wine being an 18 year old in napa...

484 Dustoff-507  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:46:08pm

re: #474 rightymouse

You have my most special blessing. I went to school in CALIF for 2 months to work with autistic kids. I worked with a very severe child and I so love him today! (-:

485 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:46:25pm

re: #467 HoosierHoops

yes.. bought what i need to clarify.. It was the FX-57 that turned us gamers heads..WOW! everybody that wanted performance was buying the 57's..
agreed?

The AMD FX series processors (like the Pentium EE processors) would be nice to have, in terms of their raw performance, but as someone who doesn't have a lot of cash to spend on computer upgrades, the high-end processors for both AMD and Intel are just too rich for my blood. That said, I've just rebulit my rig to be as close to the cutting edge as I've ever been:

AMD Phenom X4 9550 (2.2 GHz) processor
4 GB DDR2-1066 RAM
3 SATAII hard drives (250 GB for Windows/programs, 500 GB & 320 GB drives for storage)
ATI Radeon 3870 video card

486 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:47:52pm

re: #463 HoosierHoops

When i reread my post i would totally would agree with you..sorry..
OK 1/2 bottle of wine and the hoopster is *hic* slowing down now :)

Heh - but since it's ladies' night at the Hoops' house, you're entitled to that bottle of wine!

Enjoy! (and will be looking out for fake "Hoops", because I've been reading all over the place the last five days)

487 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:51:28pm

re: #485 talon_262

The AMD FX series processors (like the Pentium EE processors) would be nice to have, in terms of their raw performance, but as someone who doesn't have a lot of cash to spend on computer upgrades, the high-end processors for both AMD and Intel are just too rich for my blood. That said, I've just rebulit my rig to be as close to the cutting edge as I've ever been:

AMD Phenom X4 9550 (2.2 GHz) processor
4 GB DDR2-1066 RAM
3 SATAII hard drives (250 GB for Windows/programs, 500 GB & 320 GB drives for storage)
ATI Radeon 3870 video card

Nice..what kind of monitor?
/ I bought a dell d620 dual core last week and i've used it once..my wife took it over...I Knew it! slapping myself on the head..
// she is worth a about a million laptops..any more than that..we might have to talk..

488 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:53:24pm
489 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:53:25pm

Just posted in the spinoffs:

Intelligent Design: The New Polytheism

[Link: scienceantiscience.blogspot.com...]

490 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:53:35pm

re: #483 HoosierHoops

i'd like to learn to make wine. i'm thinking of planting some grape vines this spring.
(i'll use the grapes at least for jam)

491 talon_262  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:54:59pm

re: #487 HoosierHoops

Nice..what kind of monitor?
/ I bought a dell d620 dual core last week and i've used it once..my wife took it over...I Knew it! slapping myself on the head..
// she is worth a about a million laptops..any more than that..we might have to talk..

Dell E228WFP 22" widescreen LCD

492 jwb7605  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:55:06pm

re: #241 Celtic Templar

Also, 86% Catholics, 94% Jewish, 84% Hindu, 45% Muslim answered accept on "What are your views on Evolution?" (accept/reject/deny

Now that is interesting.
Probably a function of being told what to think.

493 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:56:01pm

re: #486 Intrepid

Heh - but since it's ladies' night at the Hoops' house, you're entitled to that bottle of wine!

Enjoy! (and will be looking out for fake "Hoops", because I've been reading all over the place the last five days)

heh! thanks..
There are a couple hard core puma sites.. If the GOP ever said what these sites say..the election would be over...dems win by disgust factor of 2...the gloves are off at some puma sites..
it's like the unhinged left has unhinged in two..or three..

494 rightymouse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:57:09pm

re: #479 Sharmuta

I didn't know that about you, righty. God bless you.

Our son is our blessing. :)

Liberals picking on Palin and a DS baby is not going to play well with many, many people, including my step-kids who are young voters and who love and support their younger brother.

Let the libs dig a bigger hole. I just smile.

495 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:57:12pm

re: #490 nyc redneck

i'd like to learn to make wine. i'm thinking of planting some grape vines this spring.
(i'll use the grapes at least for jam)

I have my grandfather's wine press. Probably at least 50 years old (I'm guessing more like 80). Don't know how to use it, but I wouldn't anyway. It's kind of an heirloom to me...

496 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:57:49pm

re: #339 Kenneth

Since he has mentioned it as recently as a speech in 2007, and slandered an innocent man, no, I will not drop it. This is an evidence of character. If he had said that in 1972 and then let it drop after the results of the investigation were known, I could live with it and forget about it. But since he has decided to keep it alive, I think it lives. The MSM is not dropping it: "t's unclear who first suggested alcohol was a factor in the crash, but since Barack Obama tapped Biden to be his running mate on Aug. 23, The New York Times, National Public Radio and The Economist have run stories that characterized Dunn as a drunken driver." Its not in the past and not forgotten and is being used in this campaign. The guy is a liar, a plagiarist of the worst sort, and someone who is willing to slander an innocent man who is dead and thus cannot defend himself. As recently as 2007 he has made it an issue:

"The New York Times reported the 2007 crowd at the University of Iowa grew silent as Biden gave his version of what happened that day.

"Let me tell you a little story," The newspaper quoted Biden as saying. "I got elected when I was 29, and I got elected November the 7th. And on Dec. 18 of that year, my wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree. A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly -- and I never pursued it -- drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly, and killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons, with what were thought to be at the time permanent, fundamental injuries."

If it is to be dropped, it was Biden who should have dropped it in 1972. Given that he has not, it continues to reflect on his total lack of character and willingness to invent himself out of whole cloth. Its here, its now and Biden continues to ride it. The man does not have the strength of character the Good Lord gave a toad.

497 rightymouse  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:59:30pm

re: #484 Dustoff-507

You have my most special blessing. I went to school in CALIF for 2 months to work with autistic kids. I worked with a very severe child and I so love him today! (-:


He's a terrific kid. Turning 14 on the 9th. :)

Thank you for working with autistic kids! They are such blessings. Everything that comes easy for you and me is trapped in their heads and they just need to be taught how to get it out.

498 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:00:40pm

re: #490 nyc redneck

i'd like to learn to make wine. i'm thinking of planting some grape vines this spring.
(i'll use the grapes at least for jam)


I've been reading alot about your upstate wineries...very impressive.
I love upstate..had a buddy from lake George..played miniature golf there by the beach many times..I could live there..

499 HoosierHoops  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:01:41pm

re: #491 talon_262

Dell E228WFP 22" widescreen LCD

I was going to ask about dell.. They make first class monitors.

500 Intrepid  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:07:13pm

re: #488 ploome hineni

she also said she based her original opinion on a hasty decision, as hasty as McCain's decision to choose Palin

/she had to get her jab in

She's trying to do a kisskiss/make up with "real" women, but she failed miserably. We aren't fooled, and we will not forget where she came down when a talented, strong woman was nominated as VP.

Backlash? She will know what that means.

501 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:07:32pm

re: #496 Shr_Nfr

A further comment on the plagiarism problem from the first Google hit at the misc.news.internet.discuss Google group: [Link: groups.google.com...]
which refers to the AmericanThinker blog

(Dam, you can't just make this stuff up! -:) )

Political insiders have long known about Joe Biden getting caught
plagiarizing almost word-for-word a speech given by British Labour
politician Neil Kinnock. In fact, that killed his 1988 presidential
campaign.

But a more serious plagiarism charge has been out there even longer -
that he plagiarized in law school. That is something that can get you
thrown out if proven.

Sweetness & Light remembers this 1987 New York Times article:

Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., a Democratic Presidential candidate, was
accused of plagiarism while in his first year at Syracuse University
Law School, academic officials familiar with Mr. Biden's record said
today. [....]

According to the people familiar with the record of the 44-year-old
Senator from Delaware, he was called before the disciplinary body at
the law school during his first year because of charges that he had
committed plagiarism on a paper. Mr. Biden entered the school in 1965
and graduated in 1968.

CBS News tonight quoted an aide to Mr. Biden as saying he had been
exonerated. However, an academic official said Mr. Biden had been
found guilty, "threw himself on the mercy of the board" and promised
not to repeat the offense. This, according to the official, persuaded
the board to drop the matter and allow Mr. Biden to remain in law
school. Mr. Biden's office declined to clarify the circumstances
surrounding the case, saying the Senator had insisted on handling the
matter himself at the news conference. [....]

Unsurprisingly, the New York Times article actually downplays the
Kinnock plagiarism. For Mr. Biden didn’t just plagiarize his words, he
plagiarized his life.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

--
Littleguy

Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly

~Author Unknown

I was here before you and I'll be here after you
leave.

--CG


---------- my comment --------------

This guy is outright unethical. Pure and simple. I hope he gets called on all this stuff before the levers are pulled so folks know who they are voting for. Dimbocrat ticket: Chicago Machine Politician and Unethical plagerising slandering piece of offal
Republican ticket: Genuine American Hero and a Woman with more balls than most congressmen serving.

502 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:11:57pm

re: #457 Shr_Nfr

"The book that is mentioned" sorry for the dropped word. I have read it, and it is quite good. You should be able to pick up a used/overstock copy on [Link: www.abe.com...] for very little.

503 right_on_target  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:23:43pm

re: #496 Shr_Nfr

Since he has mentioned it as recently as a speech in 2007, and slandered an innocent man, no, I will not drop it. This is an evidence of character. If he had said that in 1972 and then let it drop after the results of the investigation were known, I could live with it and forget about it. But since he has decided to keep it alive, I think it lives. The MSM is not dropping it: "t's unclear who first suggested alcohol was a factor in the crash, but since Barack Obama tapped Biden to be his running mate on Aug. 23, The New York Times, National Public Radio and The Economist have run stories that characterized Dunn as a drunken driver." Its not in the past and not forgotten and is being used in this campaign. The guy is a liar, a plagiarist of the worst sort, and someone who is willing to slander an innocent man who is dead and thus cannot defend himself. As recently as 2007 he has made it an issue:
.....................
If it is to be dropped, it was Biden who should have dropped it in 1972. Given that he has not, it continues to reflect on his total lack of character and willingness to invent himself out of whole cloth. Its here, its now and Biden continues to ride it. The man does not have the strength of character the Good Lord gave a toad.


The man has not come to "closure" and it affects his life in a downward spiral. His opinions, decisions, and actions are affected by this affliction.
He will self destruct.

504 jonturner  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:25:17pm

There's a great book called Darwin's Radio, written by Greg Bear, based on the subject of endogenous retroviruses. In this novel something triggers the emergence of ancient virus fragments which eventually gives rise to the spontaneous creation of a new species of human. In this story the fundamentalists are just as wacky, superstitious and rejecting of conflicting scientific evidence as in real life. Not over the top at all, quite believable.
2000 winner of Nebula Award, Endeavour Award, and Hugo Award.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Darwin's Children is the sequel and is concerned with the first generation of these mutated humans and their new capabilities and how they relate to the "old" humans. Fascinating.

These are two of my all-time favorite books. I can't recommend these books highly enough!

505 Naso Tang  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 6:37:08pm

re: #504 jonturner

I haven't read Greg Bear for several years. Thanks for the reminder. I will look for them.

506 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:10:59pm

re: #397 karmic_inquisitor

I have done a couple of sock puppets but I simply intended them as over-the-top faux trolls.

You could use the puppets to upding everything you post. Half a dozen of them. If you had multiple personality disorder it could be a great ego boost for you.

507 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:23:14pm

re: #503 right_on_target

No, this is not an isloated issue of coming to closure over a tragedy. This is a pattern of pathological lies and intellectual dishonesty. If he honestly believes this tripe, then he is a sick, sick, man because those are symptoms of schizoaffective disorder delusional variant. See W. H. Murray ed. "Schizoaffective Disorders - New Research" Nova Sciences 2006 for a more complete discussion of this very disabling disorder.

508 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:24:54pm

I was also wondering how the 8% viral content figure for the human genome would compare to my hard drive.

509 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:28:29pm

Also on the subject of multiple registrations: if we had a note from our psychiatrist that we had MPD would this be permissible?

510 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:38:05pm

re: #507 Shr_Nfr

I will also note that according to the DSM-IV this disease also requires a period of depression at onset. I do not know enough history to know if he has had that symptom or not. With the exception of those who are users of pot the vast majority of these cases are onset in the late teens and early 20s due to improper pruning of the excess synapses in the brain (at least according to one hypothesis) But onset is also seen in patients at a later age. Its foolish of me to play armchair psychologist on this guy. I do not have the qualifications and have never met him much less sat down with him and probed. Bottom line, motor mouth is a sick man who is willing to lie, slander and plagerize for what ever reason. I agree he is a bomb in Obama's closet. Not quite the shock therapy bomb of Eagleton, although I will recommend that folks read or get the DVD by Kitty Dukakis on electro-shock. The usage these days is very humane and actually effective in many cases where all else fails. It is also a treatment of choice for extreme life-threatening depression when you cannot wait for the SSRIs to take the month to kick in.

511 Artki  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 7:53:56pm

> It turns out that about 8 percent of the human genome is made up of viruses that once attacked our ancestors. The viruses lost.

No, they won. They succeeded in their goal which was to inject their genes into our DNA and thereby perpetuate those genes.

More precisely, the genes won. They were using the viruses as carriers.

Viruses which get wiped out by the immune sytem never get as far as injecting their genes into our DNA. Those trophies for those viruses are immunities to future infections from the same virus.

512 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 8:05:56pm

re: #304 Caliredst8r

Interesting website, they say that dinosaurs were taken onto the ark, but just happened to die out later. Just happened to die out! How nice and convenient for them to do so.

The dinosaurs probably died of perforated bowels after eating the unicorns.

513 gunjam  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 9:47:28pm

re: #126 jordank

"My friends, our nation has for, as long as any of us have been alive, at the forefront of scientific research. This has led to our high standards in bio-research, in military application, in our medical fields. Yet today a group of radical religious extremists threatens our lead in the scientific fields. They claim that we must submit to the idea that the earth is 6000 years old, that every aspect of our lives must conform to their view of the Bible. These so called intelligent design and creationist cultists would have our progress set back by hundreds of years, they would ban our research into stem cell research and make it illegal to even use the word "evolution" in our public museums, instead our public schools would be forced to show man and dinosaur standing side by side, and all evidence of neolithic pre-history would be thrown into furnaces since it would conflict with their ideology. My friends, our Republican party must not tolerate this. We kicked the racists out of our party, we kicked the fringe homophobics from our party, and today I say to all people and pastors who promote ID and creationism: go away. The republican party does not want you, does not need you, does not want your votes. You are free to join another political party and create your own, but we will tolerate you no more. We will not and never allow you t bring us down into the dark ages."

Dream on, Heinrich.

514 gunjam  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 9:48:19pm

re: #135 buzzsawmonkey

Very nice moby action there.

Telling people what to think, and that there must be a belief test for party acceptance? Nice indeed. Tell your tailor to hurry up with that stormtrooper uniform.

Great post.

515 gunjam  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 9:50:32pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader


jordank and buzzsawmonkey, to you I say... a HERV-K on both your houses!

/

Okay. I admit it: very funny post.

516 gunjam  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 9:55:03pm

re: #178 jordank


Imagine for a second if they invited as the opening speaker for the Republican convention an openly proud KKK leader. I would not tolerate that shit and I hope no one else here would. Now a KKK leader cannot do as much damage long-term as would a creationist-controlled US educational and scientific public system. As many posts on LGF point out, we would be living in the stone age real soon real fast. I hope that explains why we must be more open in denouncing these seemingly innocent but in reality dangerous ideas.

Straw man, much?

517 gunjam  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 9:58:59pm

re: #184 Charles

That's the sixth sock puppet of 'jordank' I've banned.

Previous names this idiot has used:

Andrew_KJ
jasonkct
senor_lewie
jaxon
jjdaniels

Charles, your IT moxie is mind-blowing.

518 gunjam  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 10:01:21pm

re: #277 Caliredst8r


Amazing! How then do they explain dinosaurs? Or did they die out only recently?

That would be correct.

519 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 5, 2008 10:29:17pm

re: #518 gunjam

re: #277 Caliredst8r

Amazing! How then do they explain dinosaurs? Or did they die out only recently?

Gunjam: That would be correct.

Well, if 65 million years ago can be called recently...

520 hellosnackbar  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:41:56pm

If Sarah Palin is alright with Melanie then she's alright with me.


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