Yay!

Has Mr. Sagan asked the smaller creatures lately how they do it?

Carl Sagan! I do miss him.

As you may have figured by now, I don't.

Wow, killed the thread immediately...

/massive gasp for breath coming out of the previous ID thread

Didn't Sagan love the Cheeba?

If the universe began with the Big Bang, this thread began with the Big Sound of Crickets Chirping...

I wanna know what love is...

I think he was a fan of Sonny Chiba....

Didn't Sagan love the Cheeba?

I believe he did!

re: #8 victor_yugo

Everybody's busy pondering the quote.

re: #9 ParanoidPyro

No, you don't. (;

Reposting, so shoot me:

Michelle Malkin Debunks Palin's Book Banning

re: #12 protestshooter

At least they're not busy pandering the quote.

Off to a nice warm soak.

Well all I can say is that Carl Sagan didn't read enough of Douglas Adams.

re: #14 celtic templar
BANG!
/

re: #15 victor_yugo

Off to a nice warm soak.

Yeah, I think I'm going to wash the oak bits out of my hair - they're cutting down the oak trees in Berkeley today - got some cool stuff especially in the evening. But when a big tree goes down it just flings all kinds of stuff up in the air... especially when it's had hippies living in it, oh dear...

Morning: [Link: www.protestshooter.com...]
Evening: [Link: www.protestshooter.com...]

cross Carl Sagan with Douglas Adams and you get....Doctor Who?

re: #1 protestshooter

Yay!

Just saw some KTVU news coverage of the oaks. They were sawing until 9pm tonight! Several trees are already down. They plan to take down most of the rest by Monday. I can't believe it's really happening. Woohoo!

BTW - has anyone around here ever owned goats?

re: #20 zombie

Just saw some KTVU news coverage of the oaks. They were sawing until 9pm tonight! Several trees are already down. They plan to take down most of the rest by Monday. I can't believe it's really happening. Woohoo!

Yeah, if you're going to check it out, do it first thing in the morning - they'd cleared a big area when I left this evening. Bet they loved the quake!

So far we've had Sonny Chiba and someone getting shot.

This calls for a song!

/kill bill ftw

re: #20 zombie

Those poor urban facelifting trees!

/

re: #20 zombie

Just saw some KTVU news coverage of the oaks. They were sawing until 9pm tonight! Several trees are already down. They plan to take down most of the rest by Monday. I can't believe it's really happening. Woohoo!

I'm not sure, but I suspect this has something to do with the naked people in trees? Was that you?

re: #18 protestshooter

Yeah, I think I'm going to wash the oak bits out of my hair - they're cutting down the oak trees in Berkeley today - got some cool stuff especially in the evening. But when a big tree goes down it just flings all kinds of stuff up in the air... especially when it's had hippies living in it, oh dear...

Morning: [Link: www.protestshooter.com...]
Evening: [Link: www.protestshooter.com...]

I like the "Free Firewood" guy!

I heard he was part of a group called "Berkeley Residents Against Hippies in the Trees."

re: #20 zombie

Oh, and there were counter protesters - someobody had a "Free Firewood!" sign!

Anybody else see this article about a guy who is putting up 1 Million dollars if Obama (his classmate at Columbia) grades are better than his?

Wayne Allyn Root's Million-Dollar Challenge

re: #26 zombie

I think they were just some frat guys frankly.

OK - found a wiki on Douglas Adams' Total Perspective Vortex.

Like most wikis, it has sadly drained the concept of all of its humor.

re: #21 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - has anyone around here ever owned goats?

Yes, if you consider teenage boys goats, we have :)

WSJ article on Sarah Palin a good read

To funny. Ebay scrubbed it...But here's a screen shot.

DNC up for sale on Ebay

OK, time to get the party started up in this thread.

So far we've had Sonny Chiba and someone getting shot.

I like it....some good strong 70's slas 60's references ....tradition

re: #25 Cognito

I'm not sure, but I suspect this has something to do with the naked people in trees? Was that you?

Well, I took the pictures, but I didn't arrange the nudity or the protest!

But yes -- a year ago they were naked in the trees, and today the University started cutting them down (see protestshooters's comment #18 above).

re: #22 protestshooter

Yeah, if you're going to check it out, do it first thing in the morning - they'd cleared a big area when I left this evening. Bet they loved the quake!

I hadn't thot of that! Talk about a bowel loosener ... in a tree!

re: #31 non-lib Nina

Funny.

I have two of them. They don't eat weeds unfortunately.

For small creatures such as weus

(sorry, Carl)

. . . Billions and . . .

re: #23 laZardo

Its one of my favorites.

re: #38 karmic_inquisitor

Funny.

I have two of them. They don't eat weeds unfortunately.

ok, but they have been known to smoke weeds!

re: #37 Bobibutu

And they're not in an oak - they're way up in a redwood with all the lower branches cut off and most of the surrounding trees gone - very exposed.

re: #25 Cognito

I'm not sure, but I suspect this has something to do with the naked people in trees? Was that you?

Cognito, I find that in talking with you it's best to affirm the facts. Not an assertion, just a question: are you hinting that Zombie might have been one of the naked people in the trees in the location in Berkeley you mentioned?

re: #26 zombie

I like the "Free Firewood" guy!

I heard he was part of a group called "Berkeley Residents Against Hippies in the Trees."

Figures there are nothing but BRAHTs in Berkeley. (;

Ocho Cinco gets the OK from NFL on new name

He is now legally and in the eyes of the NFL and Bengals - drum roll, please - Chad Ocho Cinco.

The legal name change of the wide receiver formerly known as Chad Johnson will be recognized by the league and the club, the Bengals announced Thursday in a statement.

The team will refer to him as Chad Ocho Cinco, and his new surname - Ocho Cinco - will be emblazoned on his game jersey in the team's season opener Sunday at Baltimore.

Ocho Cinco recently completed his legal name change in Florida and has the document to prove it.

/what a total ass

Man, I'd better get crackin' on my fantasy football lineup for Sunday. Romo's my #1 QB, and will start, but drat...he plays my beloved Brownies. Oh, well - cash over fan loyalty, it is!

re: #42 non-lib Nina

ok, but they have been known to smoke weeds!

If I could grow those sorts of weeds and get away with it:

A) I'd be set

B) Those boys would not be allowed anywhere near the cash crop.

re: #28 musicman Nope, never heard of that or him before.
I'm wondering if anyone else on the Harvard Law Review knew Obama? Wasn't he supposed to be the editor in chief? How the hell does an editor in chief of a law review NOT write a scholarly article of his own, or at least edit (that means more than correcting grammar and spelling, btw) some other learned person's take on a legal issue?
Seriously, does anyone know if any of his fellow Law Review students or for that matter any of the other students in his class remember him and if so, how?!

re: #32 hazzyday

thanks for that ...it is a good read indeed...

re: #48 karmic_inquisitor

If I could grow those sorts of weeds and get away with it:

A) I'd be set

B) Those boys would not be allowed anywhere near the cash crop.

;)

re: #43 protestshooter

And they're not in an oak - they're way up in a redwood with all the lower branches cut off and most of the surrounding trees gone - very exposed.

WTF - I haven't been paying attention for a few months - now in a Redwood? Ah - I give up - cut the MF down and try to net them as it falls.

re: #36 zombie

To reprise a phrase from the thread here on that post...

"Sheesh! Who fired the gardner?"

I liked that report. I was beautiful and informative at the same time.

It was... Infoscenic.

re: #14 celtic templar

Reposting, so shoot me:

Michelle Malkin Debunks Palin's Book Banning

Then I'll repost too, looked at Malkin while waiting for the thread to change.

The idea of this bogus list is to discredit any effort by elected officials or senior management to exercise supervisory authority over a local functionary. That is a standard and long term part of the government employees union culture. The fact that this is a library setting and that the entire episode is probably faked is besides the point. All civilian government employees, school teachers, law enforcement officers, air traffic controllers, etc. are constantly working to make themselves unaccountable. Many work harder on that than on their jobs.

The fun part here is that they drew up a list of acknowledged classics from the western literary canon and then slipped in a few examples of recent mediocrity. Resources are limited so why should the local library have to pay for Heather and her Mommies or the blatherings of Maya Angelou? If the bien pesants of San Francisco or New York, places I being really rather sophisticated like, do not want the vast unwashen masses crashing their parties then they need to show a little tolerance in leaving rural democracy alone.

re: #49 realwest

What I find extremely interesting is that no one remembers him while he was there. He hasn't been to any of his class reunions. There is a very big reason Obama is keeping his college records sealed.

re: #46 Killian Bundy

What's his jersey number?

re: #56 Noam Sayin'

What's his jersey number?

/take a guess

re: #57 Killian Bundy

/take a guess

You're kidding. 85?

Finally, we now know what "Chicago Community Organizers" actually do.

re: #58 Noam Sayin'

85 indeed.

re: #58 Noam Sayin'

You're kidding. 85?

/he's a world class jerk

re: #55 musicman

What I find extremely interesting is that no one remembers him while he was there. He hasn't been to any of his class reunions. There is a very big reason Obama is keeping his college records sealed.

This guy is the shadow. And a lot of strange people are backing his run. Focus needs to be put on all his bonifides as a row in chess is before it falls with the unrelenting pressure.

Debunking Palin rumors

re: #18 protestshooter

Yeah, I think I'm going to wash the oak bits out of my hair - they're cutting down the oak trees in Berkeley today - got some cool stuff especially in the evening. But when a big tree goes down it just flings all kinds of stuff up in the air... especially when it's had hippies living in it, oh dear...

Don't tell these people about what's happening...
Hippies MOURN dead trees

It is a serious(ly funny) video. Gives a look at the earth first people.

re: #59 Egfrow

lemme guess....race baiting and/or agitating and/or voter fraud...?

I'd like to ask a question - how do the scrotum inflaters inflate their scrotums? And why do they do so?

Sorry - I've just always wondered, since I saw Zombie's work.

?

Well y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta get some sleep now!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.
Oh, and btw, if anyone can answer my question in my
comment #49, please feel free to either post it or e-mail me (nic's in blue)! Thanks!

Goodnight, all.

re: #60 ParanoidPyro

*snort*

re: #61 Killian Bundy

/he's a world class jerk

I guess. Well, let him make an ass of himself, I guess.

Where'd the trolls go?

Barack Obama — Magna Cum Saudi?

Does Barack Obama owe his meteoric rise to an Israeli-hating adviser to a Saudi billionaire? Why did a race-baiting mentor to the Black Panthers favor this yet unknown community organizer?

/good questions

re: #67 realwest

Stay safe, RW! Batten down the hatches and hang on.

re: #68 Noam Sayin'

*snort*

re: #61 Killian Bundy

I guess. Well, let him make an ass of himself, I guess.

Where'd the trolls go?

Be careful what you ask for.

re: #21 karmic_inquisitor

no, but I know some guys who love goats. Maybe you can get advice from them - you need to speak Arabic, though.

Maybe Obama at Columbia was like Major Major Major Major. You could only go in to see him when he was out.

re: #67 realwest

G'night, realwest.

re: #66 Intrepid

Man, some weird questions on deck tonight. I honestly don't know. Nor have I even wanted to know.

I am still trying to figure out where the hell all the tons of rubber from worn tires went, since cars began.

have a great night every one

re: #68 Noam Sayin'

*snort*

re: #61 Killian Bundy

I guess. Well, let him make an ass of himself, I guess.

Where'd the trolls go?

Big meeting in their mom's basement, coming up with more absurd rumors.

re: #71 lifeofthemind

Good point. I'm getting ready to hit the hay. No time to screw with idjits right now.

re: #59 Egfrow

To the "Jesus was a community organizer, Pilate was a governor" people, I have three words:

RENDER UNTO CAESAR.

/and so on.

re: #46 Killian Bundy

Ocho Cinco gets the OK from NFL on new name

/what a total ass

Were I the Bengals' owner, I would get a certain sadistic pleasure out of trading him to a team that had already retired the number 85.

re: #66 Intrepid

They can't swim?

I'm reading this [Link: www.librarian.net...]

I think the NYT and Time magazine and US weekly just need to print Cover Page retractions on how stupid and biased they were. Anything less is not justice.

Maybe the WSJ will have to do it for them.

re: #18 protestshooter

For all the treehuggers a little music:) Lumberjack bu Jackyl best part about 1:40 into the video.

I'm still thinking about Palin's speech the other night. Damn, that chick rocks. And I love how the Gramscian segments of the left are playing 'wounded dove' over it.

They are freakin' out over Sarahcuda.

re: #82 hazzyday

I'm reading this [Link: www.librarian.net...]

I think the NYT and Time magazine and US weekly just need to print Cover Page retractions on how stupid and biased they were. Anything less is not justice.

Maybe the WSJ will have to do it for them.

Please don't hold your breath!

re: #79 laZardo

To the "Jesus was a community organizer, Pilate was a governor" people, I have three words:

RENDER UNTO CAESAR.

/and so on.

I say Jesus was a Rabbi and a Carpenter, and Obama is neither.

re: #74 Noam Sayin'

G'night, realwest.

Nite Dude.

...what ever happened to Render?

JUST
WONDERING,

R

re: #78 Noam Sayin'

Good point. I'm getting ready to hit the hay. No time to screw with idjits right now.

Good night

re: #80 karmic_inquisitor

Were I the Bengals' owner, I would get a certain sadistic pleasure out of trading him to a team that had already retired the number 85.

No! I think that might be the Vikings.

Then again, what do I care? I'm a Packers fan, if any fan at all.

re: #80 karmic_inquisitor

Such as the Lions or the Rams.

re: #72 shiek al beif salami

no, but I know some guys who love goats. Maybe you can get advice from them - you need to speak Arabic, though.

LOL. Better consider that before buying any - gotta keep them locked up in case any lonely guys want to play out any "Bedouin herder" fantasies.

re: #65 virginian66

lemme guess....race baiting and/or agitating and/or voter fraud...?

Well, very close. extortion. murder, racketeering, prostitution, drug dealing, armed robbery, etc.

Stolen from a librarian blog poster named Matthew

Let us observe:

1) Palin never banned any books.
2) The article states the motive for her inquiry as “some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them”
3) Despite the above two facts, TIME leads by stating that: Mrs. Palin inserted her religious beliefs into policy in this case.

The tactic used in the above paragraph is something called Poisoning the Well. A logical fallacy. A false one as well. I would expect a bunch of librarians would be able to see that before a computer programmer came along, since librarians are more versed in literature and rhetoric, IIRC, than most programmers.

re: #86 celtic templar

Jesus didn't attend Rome U. and become president of the Jerusalem Holy Law Review. (;

I'm not going anywhere just yet. I still have a cocktail to finish.

I am already gone. Later, Lizards!

re: #66 Intrepid

I'd like to ask a question - how do the scrotum inflaters inflate their scrotums? And why do they do so?

Sorry - I've just always wondered, since I saw Zombie's work.

?

I give the link in the original report:

Outside, a trio of exhibitionists prepared a message of peace. [Note for the curious: yes, his scrotum is the size of a cantaloupe; he's a regular at San Francisco anti-war protests who's a fan of a procedure called "scrotal inflation" in which the testicular sac is infused with saline solution until it almost bursts. If you would like to try scrotal inflation yourself, click here to order a Scrotal Inflation Kit.]

As to "why" -- well, who doesn't want to have gigantic testicles?

re: #75 rawmuse

Man, some weird questions on deck tonight. I honestly don't know. Nor have I even wanted to know.

I am still trying to figure out where the hell all the tons of rubber from worn tires went, since cars began.

Into the environment and our and other animals bodies - good reason to take a weekly sauna and sweat it out.

re: #49 realwest

Nope, never heard of that or him before.
I'm wondering if anyone else on the Harvard Law Review knew Obama? Wasn't he supposed to be the editor in chief? How the hell does an editor in chief of a law review NOT write a scholarly article of his own, or at least edit (that means more than correcting grammar and spelling, btw) some other learned person's take on a legal issue?
Seriously, does anyone know if any of his fellow Law Review students or for that matter any of the other students in his class remember him and if so, how?!

Yes, there've been lots of articles over the past couple of years that quote buth faculty members and fellow students. Not sure exactly how to search for them, but I'll do a little looking.

re: #92 karmic_inquisitor

Khomeini said it was o.k. to sell your usedgoats to someone in a neighboring village, but not to someone in your own village.

Must be how they prevent inbreeding.

re: #98 zombie

As to "why" -- well, who doesn't want to have gigantic testicles?

Unfortunately, filling in the space around the testicles is a sure sign of insecurity.

re: #94 hazzyday

You still get an up-ding for that one - touche.

re: #88 WindHorse

Last post almost a month ago.

Vacation?

re: #92 karmic_inquisitor

For whatever f*ckin reason, that post made me think of a tune I used to hear frequently as the band rehearsed in my basement. Ladies and gentleman, I give you Nero's House Band, with

Bedouin Warriors on the Kalahari

Watch yer step, y'all. Avante garde music.

BTW - ABC news is reporting that the investigation into "troopergate" has been accelerated by three weeks according to the Democrat who is running the investigation.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

That way He also promised that the investigation would be "damaging" to Palin.

All timed to ensure that the last 4 weeks of the campaign can have plenty of read meat for the press to use against Palin, with insufficient opportunity for her side to be heard.

re: #98 zombie

As to "why" -- well, who doesn't want to have gigantic testicles?

ESS = Bad!

;-P

re: #94 hazzyday

Please see my #54. The librarian may want to live at the bottom of the poisoned well, in isolated splendor.
/Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav'n. - Milton

re: #104 Syrah

I wonder....

HOPE EVERYTHING
IS OKAY,

-R

re: #69 Killian Bundy

Why is there no pressure on him? He seems to be doing what is only allowed for Demonrats....evading, just like Shrill, Hanoi John, and now Hussein. I may have forgotten a bunch. Can you imagine the furor if a Republican did this?

And there seems to be no info re his mysterious time at Columbia University, also.

re: #106 karmic_inquisitor

I heard an excerpt on the radio tonight of an interview CNN did with the trooper in question.
She'd have been derelict for leaving him on the force.

re: #98 zombie

As to "why" -- well, who doesn't want to have gigantic testicles?

Wasn't it G Gordon L who bragged on his radio show that he needed a ball-lectomy so long ago and his was natural.

What did he do at Occidental that justified moving him up to Columbia?

Here's a discussion about the motivation for scrotal inflation:

Is there anyone with experience with scrotal inflation, using saline solution to make the ball sack large temporary (hear lasts about 3 days). Ive seen it in a BDSM movie or two and think I would like to try it.

------------

I was chatting with a buddy, recently, who'd had saline injected into his scrotum. He said, first you're amused that you appear to have a massive set of cajones. However, when the saline leaves the scrotum, it migrates into the penis, the next morning presents the largest erection ever and, eventually, a seemingly endless orgasm.

So, yeah, that sounds fun.

------------

damn you can do that? that sounds hot

I think the "migrates into the penis causing erection" part is pure myth, frankly.

Basically, there are poeple who just like any kid of "body modifcation" that they can get away with.

re: #20 zombie

Just saw some KTVU news coverage of the oaks. They were sawing until 9pm tonight! Several trees are already down. They plan to take down most of the rest by Monday. I can't believe it's really happening. Woohoo!

KTVU... now that brings back some memories, Webster Webfoot and staying up late on Saturday nights to watch Science Fiction Theater... or was that on channel 4?

re: #8 victor_yugo

Doesn't all life begin with a "Big Bang" of one sort or another?

You know, lizards, I think there is a fellow who posts here who believes his own cognitions are cleverly sublime. He likes to provoke. Sometimes he will offer his own opinion about an issue; more often he will just prance about with ambiguity.

Although he has annoyed many of us, especially when he capers and evades, he has served willy-nilly to make us think more carefully about the groundings our beliefs. So, I suppose he deserves some thanks; but when all is said and done, he is not one of us--not that he would care.

No, he is not a Troll, exactly. He is a Rogue. I believe his word would be "contrarian." Many journalists believe that in being contrarian they have discovered the acme of virtue. They should remember that ultimately skepticism is an ouroboros, a serpent that forever devours its own tail.

re: #115 Thanos

KTVU... now that brings back some memories, Webster Webfoot and staying up late on Saturday nights to watch Science Fiction Theater... or was that on channel 4?

Channel 2 was Creature Features.

re: #106 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - ABC news is reporting that the investigation into "troopergate" has been accelerated by three weeks according to the Democrat who is running the investigation.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

That way He also promised that the investigation would be "damaging" to Palin.

All timed to ensure that the last 4 weeks of the campaign can have plenty of read meat for the press to use against Palin, with insufficient opportunity for her side to be heard.

I am comfortable with what i have read so far. Bottom line - her BIL (the trooper) should have been fired based on multiple infractions. His superior, who serves at her pleasure, would not. Frikkin' case closed!

Next.

re: #118 Syrah

Channel 2 was Creature Features.

Bob Wilkens!

re: #116 Price_of_Peace

Doesn't all life begin with a "Big Bang" of one sort or another?

Only when considered from the most eagerly mechanistic point of view. (Cf. Voltaire's discussion of "applied mechanics" in Candide).

re: #40 Syrah

. . . Billions and . . .

One of my favorite Far Side cartoons (In fact the only that I remember the caption on) showed a young Carl Sagan talking to a girl.

"Look at the stars Becky. There must be hundreds and hundreds of them."

Also in a work of fan fiction I named a fast food restaurant after him with "Billions and Billions Served". No one got the joke.

re: #118 Syrah

Channel 2 was Creature Features.

Which one had Elvira? I always suspected that she was really an alright person. No telling for sure with show people but seemed OK.

re: #108 lifeofthemind

Yes thanks for your link. that was the one I was following.

re: #120 Thanos

Bob Wilkens!

Thats it. I was trying to remember his name but kept drawing blanks.

He also hosted an after school (4pm) science fiction show too I think. Somewhere in my vast collection of trifles and nick-knack trash, I have one of his promotional stickers for the show. Can't remember what it was called though.

Time for some sleeps here, night all. Also I got an email from R about two or three weeks ago, he was doing ok then.

re: #124 hazzyday

Yes thanks for your link. that was the one I was following.

Wasn't my link. Credit goes to celtic templar.

re: #123 lifeofthemind

Which one had Elvira? I always suspected that she was really an alright person. No telling for sure with show people but seemed OK.

I am pretty sure that was Channel 2 also, sometime after Bob Wilkens gave up hosting.

re: #125 Syrah

Thats it. I was trying to remember his name but kept drawing blanks.

He also hosted an after school (4pm) science fiction show too I think. Somewhere in my vast collection of trifles and nick-knack trash, I have one of his promotional stickers for the show. Can't remember what it was called though.

Bob Wilkins

re: #129 Thanos

Bob Wilkins

Wow. Everyone ends up with a wikipedia page in time.

Captain Cosmic. That was the science fiction show.

Nostalgia makes the years seems both so close and so far.

re: #126 Thanos

Thx.

Good night.

Nero's House Band.

Lost This Space

Much better than the last one, I promise. Friends of mine, just happen to locate their music in an off-chance Google search.

re: #122 The Other Les

One of my favorite Far Side cartoons (In fact the only that I remember the caption on) showed a young Carl Sagan talking to a girl.

"Look at the stars Becky. There must be hundreds and hundreds of them."

Also in a work of fan fiction I named a fast food restaurant after him with "Billions and Billions Served". No one got the joke.

I don't know how anyone could think of "billions" without Carl Sagan's unique enunciation drifting by somewhere in their thought process. It was iconic.

I have read his book Contact. It was readable. I have Broca's Brain on a bookshelf or in a box somewhere. I couldn't get past the first couple of pages.

Well, lizards, the foot-race of the present into the future is approaching a moment of rest, its little holiday from the breathy sprint of History, perhaps.

Let's talk again when next the sun will shine over that sinister coast near which Zombie, Rawmuse, and I must dwell.

Be brave, lizards, but be polite.

Another Sarah Palin article from Alaska, with one of her main local critics and a few supporters.

Posioning the well. A lot of that going on in the media. There seem to be a lot of poison carriers. And it all seems to be because she is a woman who is conservative in her views.

re: #113 lifeofthemind

What did he do at Occidental that justified moving him up to Columbia?

I don't think he was moved up. I think he moved himself because he was looking for a more challenging environment. Here, by the way, is a short video showing a guy who knew him at Harvard. The guy's name is Hill Harper.

G'nite, all! We are supposed to be hit today (Sat) by Hannah, and as we are right on the coast, we are just hoping that the power won't go if the winds are as severe as forecast.

/Like they ever get it right!

Hope any lizards in the path of the storm(s) stay safe!

I like the "billions and billions" quote better. I myself don't think love has much to do with size, so Sagan's profundity is lost on me; but I'll ask my wife what she thinks.

re: #135 hazzyday

It's to be expected.

Her selection blindsided the left.

They are desperately digging for something to make her look bad. They may find something. They may, more than likely, just make shit up and dump it on her in the last week of the campaign, knowing that it will be hardest to refute then.

It will get ugly.

I like how the people on the left like to thank each other for spreading what are obvious falsehoods and rumors. It really is that they think if they lie long enough everyone will believe them. I bet this is top down from the Obama campaign with Obama keeping his hands clean. Just as he did in Chicago.

re: #137 NY Nana

G'nite, all! We are supposed to be hit today (Sat) by Hannah, and as we are right on the coast, we are just hoping that the power won't go if the winds are as severe as forecast.

/Like they ever get it right!

Hope any lizards in the path of the storm(s) stay safe!

Nite Nana - sweet dreams.

re: #91 laZardo

The Lions have enough problems without getting him!

'Evening all.

Breaking on fox:

Magnitude 5.6 Earthquake Hits Afghanistan, Pakistan

Sorry if someone has posted this already.
Most of us like/love Whittle.
This sums up my feelings about this past week so much better than I ever could.

Enjoy

Barracuda song stolen is debunked

re: #143 pink freud

'Evening all.

Breaking on fox:

Magnitude 5.6 Earthquake Hits Afghanistan, Pakistan

Did it look like this?

'cuz, maybe it wasn't an earthquake.

How ya been, pink?

Silhouetted in my memory...

re: #146 Noam Sayin'

One can hope, eh Noam?

Peachy lately, Noam, thanks. : ) Appreciate the hello, I have been mostly lurking these last few months. I miss all of you.

Took a direct hit from Gustov (Lafayette, LA) ...not too bad overall. Ike is worrisome,though.

How you been doing?

re: #137 NY Nana

Remind me to tell you the story of hitting Manhattan as the remnants of Hurricane Jeane rolled in.

... and the umbrellas, were evidently disposable...

re: #144 lummox

I second your post. Excellent piece by Whittle.

/had to re-read tribes

re: #136 JustMyView

I don't think he was moved up. I think he moved himself because he was looking for a more challenging environment. Here, by the way, is a short video showing a guy who knew him at Harvard. The guy's name is Hill Harper.

Nonsense, no one gets to just move from O.C. to Columbia just because it feels good and meets their need for a challenge. Occidental is a good school but not nearly as hard to get into as Columbia. We know that his High School record was mediocre as he was more focused on petty crime and drugs than on academics. He did not go straight into the Ivy League because he couldn't have made it. Transfering in from a less competetive school takes something extra. Unusually high grades, or perfect SATs on a retest, maybe some special extra curricular activity. These are scarce resources with thousands seeking them. He got in and others did not. Why?

For you east-coasters, a good speculative/informational site with good linkage on all things hanna/ike.

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

The world will be a much better place if Obama inflates his tires tomorrow.

re: #148 pink freud

How you been doing?

Walked into the bar, locked the front door, and my back has been against the wall the entire time, metaphorically speaking. It's easier this way, I guess. Any direction I fight, I'm gaining ground.

It's scary how many of these left wingers just can't think at all. Ready made thugs for the ObamaCorp.

re: #129 Thanos

Bob Wilkins

[Link: bobwilkinsthemanbehindthecigar.blogspot.com...]

I remember The Bob Wilkins Show here in Sacramento back in the seventies. I was just a little kid, and the weird theme song always used to freak me out.

Late lunch. Enjoy an economic spinoff link I posted above. (: BBL.

re: #150 pink freud

I second your post. Excellent piece by Whittle.

/had to re-read tribes

Tribes is the all time classic!

re: #151 lifeofthemind

Nonsense, no one gets to just move from O.C. to Columbia just because it feels good and meets their need for a challenge. Occidental is a good school but not nearly as hard to get into as Columbia. We know that his High School record was mediocre as he was more focused on petty crime and drugs than on academics. He did not go straight into the Ivy League because he couldn't have made it. Transfering in from a less competetive school takes something extra. Unusually high grades, or perfect SATs on a retest, maybe some special extra curricular activity. These are scarce resources with thousands seeking them. He got in and others did not. Why?

I wasn't on the admissions committee, so I can't give you an authoritative reply, but there are many accounts saying that, although he was not a serious student in high school, he became one later. If he earned excellent grades at Occidental, Columbia might have found him an attractive candidate. Am looking for a story on this that I read recently. If I find it, I'll post the link.

re: #144 lummox

Funny, I just happened to jump on to Whittle's site tonight, where that post was mentioned.

He hints at a new essay, for you Whittle fanatics.

re: #154 Noam Sayin'

/you been peeking in on my life, Noam?! :-)

i can relate.

You can watch Hanna as she comex ashore at Myrtle Beach on this radar loop out of Wilmington.

re: #153 hazzyday

The world will be a much better place if Obama inflates his tires tomorrow.

Especially for a fella who has a picture posted on the web riding on a half inflated tire.

OOPS

Alaska Political Bloggign with Gov. Palin items.

re: #161 pink freud

You lock the back door. We'll meet in the middle and have a cocktail. Keep fighting.

re: #135 hazzyday

Another Sarah Palin article from Alaska, with one of her main local critics and a few supporters.

Posioning the well. A lot of that going on in the media. There seem to be a lot of poison carriers. And it all seems to be because she is a woman who is conservative in her views.

Laura McGann is the journo, who comes from "TalkingPointsMemo.com", TPMMuckraker:
Talking Points Memo MuckRaker

Gestapo at the RNC (Nevermind the ABC reporter at the DNC, though)

re: #165 Noam Sayin'

Done!

Glenmoranghie, please. Noam, you're making me realize how long it's been since I had a drink. Stop it!

re: #156 rp1138

"Watch Horror Films... Keep America Strong."

Even a freakazoid like that can be patriotic.

The Bob Wilkins Horror Show from KTXL-40 in Sacramento

re: #144 lummox

Sorry if someone has posted this already.
Most of us like/love Whittle.
This sums up my feelings about this past week so much better than I ever could.

Enjoy

McCain has won back much of the base.

I don't like him. But I will vote for him. Palin makes that less painful.

Hell, I even sent him money. (After the Palin pick.)

It will be interesting to see what happens to the "feminist" middle. I wonder if they will be able to bring themselves to vote for Republicans over Democrats. Its a tall order.

re: #88 WindHorse

...what ever happened to Render?

JUST
WONDERING,

R

Hey, yeah?

re: #167 pink freud

Ah, a scotch-lovin' girl. Glenmoranghie it is.

And whatever happened to Highrise?

re: #171 pbird

Hey, yeah?

Yeah.

Me
Too,

N

TPM still pining for the Gore Presidency:

WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN
It's easy to remember that had a full vote count taken place down in Florida, we might be in the final months of the Gore administration. A lot of what ifs. And in this tear in Al Gore's speech, he tells us what would have been different -- it was a passage in the speech that clearly came from a deep well within ...

I'm feeling tainted just reading this and knowing their hit squad is after Palin.

G'nite

re: #159 JustMyView

You implying that you teach at Columbia?

All disclaimers about the worth of the US News rankings may be considered as read into the record. Occidental is listed as #37 for Liberal Arts Colleges. Columbia comes in at #8 for National Universities. No idea where they ranked 28 years ago. All the video had was an actor saying "take my word for it, he's brilliant."

NIght time for me. Good night ladies.

Pigman in the belly of the beast: Enter the Rat Cave

re: #172 Noam Sayin'

Ah, a scotch-lovin' girl. Glenmoranghie it is.

I remember the first time I tried Glenmoranghie. The first sip was terrible. The second wasn't so bad. The third was pretty good. Fifteen minutes later I realized I had drank half the bottle, and I'd better put the bottle away. I then tried to sit down, and that didn't work out too well. I spent the next half hour face down on the floor, holding on for dear life for fear of floating away.

Nothing says 'class' like a Cuba Libre in a 32oz styrafoam cup.

/Vive Cuba Libre! Abajo Fidel!

Colle Secco for me, thanks.

I'm troubled that McCain didn't have any specific answers about the economy today in light of the 6.1% unemployment rate. He MUST have some concrete proposals to reassure anxious swing-state voters "that it will be all right".

re: #181 EIDE_Interface

I'm troubled that McCain didn't have any specific answers about the economy today in light of the 6.1% unemployment rate. He MUST have some concrete proposals to reassure anxious swing-state voters "that it will be all right".

What was Obama's response?

re: #182 celtic templar

What was Obama's response?

CHANGE!

re: #178 rp1138

I spent the next half hour face down on the floor, holding on for dear life for fear of floating away.

You know you've had too much to drink if you aim for the floor and miss.

Obama attacked McCain saying that it's the Bush/McCain economy and that his tax cuts for the rich are the last thing we need. Well economically speaking, cutting taxes for the top 5% would stimulate the economy, but that's not politically popular. Fact is, most people are idiots when it comes to economics. Thus, the need to pander.

re: #184 victor_yugo

You know you've had too much to drink if you aim for the floor and miss.

I learned my lesson years ago after too much vodka.

re: #88 WindHorse

...what ever happened to Render?

JUST
WONDERING,

R

Indeed, I miss Render.

ONE
OF
MY
FAVORITES

R

/We are all Render now

re: #181 EIDE_Interface

I'm troubled that McCain didn't have any specific answers about the economy today in light of the 6.1% unemployment rate. He MUST have some concrete proposals to reassure anxious swing-state voters "that it will be all right".

Drill, baby, drill will toast the unemployment rate for those who want to work.

re: #170 Syrah

If you go back through my posts, (I don't recommend it) you will find that I have said...
1. "I will never vote for McCain.
2 " OK, I will, but only to thwart ZerObama."
3 " Well, maybe he ain't so bad."

Finally I have sent off a small contribution to the campaign because for the first time in 20 years , I feel like I will be voting FOR a candidate and not against an a$$hole.

re: #187 Neo Con since 9-11

I am not Render.

I am MandyManners. Still.

re: #188 Bobibutu

Drill, baby, drill will toast the unemployment rate for those who want to work.

That doesn't help people who don't work directly in the energy industry. How to allay the fears of office workers who think they might get laid off next month? I don't know what the hell they're expecting from Hussein, but you have to throw them a bone.

re: #185 EIDE_Interface

Obama attacked McCain saying that it's the Bush/McCain economy and that his tax cuts for the rich are the last thing we need. Well economically speaking, cutting taxes for the top 5% would stimulate the economy, but that's not politically popular. Fact is, most people are idiots when it comes to economics. Thus, the need to pander.

Tell "most people" Obama's going to raise taxes by not renewing the Bush tax cut, so expect to lose at least 600-1200 more a year under Obama.

And the yacht maker anecdote works well for me. Rich guy wants to buy a yacht, takes 20 people or so to make the yacht. He's being taxed a little too much, so he puts his money in a Cayman account and waits Obama out ... 20 guys working on the boat aint working. Hate the rich to spite yourself.

re: #190 victor_yugo

I am not Render.

I am MandyManners. Still.

I know that's not true or you would have told me to "piss up a rope"

re: #186 EIDE_Interface

I learned my lesson years ago after too much vodka.

Rum and Coke was my wake up call back in '62 in San Juan PR ... sucking it down and suddenly - I could not stand up to go and pee.

re: #183 rp1138

CHANGE!

Ha, B.O.'s economic policy goes something like:

'You can't keep the change.'

re: #193 Neo Con since 9-11

I know that's not true or you would have told me to "piss up a rope"

You go bad-mouthing MandyManners and I will certainly live up to your expectations.

re: #192 celtic templar

Tell "most people" Obama's going to raise taxes by not renewing the Bush tax cut, so expect to lose at least 600-1200 more a year under Obama.

And the yacht maker anecdote works well for me. Rich guy wants to buy a yacht, takes 20 people or so to make the yacht. He's being taxed a little too much, so he puts his money in a Cayman account and waits Obama out ... 20 guys working on the boat aint working. Hate the rich to spite yourself.

No way people want to hear examples of "trickle down economics" no matter that it works every time it's been tried. People are envious creatures after all, and they must be pandered to by politicians. Even Reagan never explicitly talked about trickle-down theory to voters.

re: #189 lummox

If you go back through my posts, (I don't recommend it) you will find that I have said...
1. "I will never vote for McCain.
2 " OK, I will, but only to thwart ZerObama."
3 " Well, maybe he ain't so bad."

Finally I have sent off a small contribution to the campaign because for the first time in 20 years , I feel like I will be voting FOR a candidate and not against an a$$hole.

Thee, me, and hopefully many others.

re: #192 celtic templar

You can use a similar anecdote for corporations ... tax the corps, they'll find a cheaper way to get software, tax them more, and kiss those jobs goodbye ... Brazil has coders now too.

re: #197 EIDE_Interface

Wasn't it the case not too many years ago that Massachusetts taxed the yacht-building industry into oblivion, while Michigan eliminated their state's debt by reducing taxes across the board?

There is a clever way to educate dumb sheeple voters about basic economics, but I'm afraid McCain is very weak in that area. Palin might be the one to do it.

re: #197 EIDE_Interface

No way people want to hear examples of "trickle down economics" no matter that it works every time it's been tried. People are envious creatures after all, and they must be pandered to by politicians. Even Reagan never explicitly talked about trickle-down theory to voters.

Maybe in your neck of the woods, but people get it. If you don't have money for yourself, you aint hiring someone else. If the government takes that money - its the government to blame.

I'm glad this convention week is over. I miss Red Eye. Can't wait til Monday when it starts back up again.

re: #197 EIDE_Interface

I guess you could always ask how long people could stay employed if they're drawing paychecks from people poorer than them.

re: #200 victor_yugo

Wasn't it the case not too many years ago that Massachusetts taxed the yacht-building industry into oblivion, while Michigan eliminated their state's debt by reducing taxes across the board?

Exactly. Michigan is fucked completely and MA is still doing ok because their economy is diversified enough. People just don't learn their lessons. It's like we need to have 8% unemployment and stagflation to elect a Reagan. It's like can't we get a Reagan during these conditions to avoid that disaster?

re: #201 EIDE_Interface

There is a clever way to educate dumb sheeple voters about basic economics, but I'm afraid McCain is very weak in that area. Palin might be the one to do it.

Your mask slipped.

re: #204 Fenway_Nation

I guess you could always ask how long people could stay employed if they're drawing paychecks from people poorer than them.

Try telling that to the voters and see what elections you win.

re: #206 AmeriDan

Your mask slipped.

In what way? Are you saying that the voters Obama and McCain are pandering to are smart?

re: #118 Syrah

Channel 2 was Creature Features.

I am just barely young enough to remember Creature Features.

Also just barely young enough to remember Captain Cosmic.

Just barely.

re: #192 celtic templar

Tell "most people" Obama's going to raise taxes by not renewing the Bush tax cut, so expect to lose at least 600-1200 more a year under Obama.

And the yacht maker anecdote works well for me. Rich guy wants to buy a yacht, takes 20 people or so to make the yacht. He's being taxed a little too much, so he puts his money in a Cayman account and waits Obama out ... 20 guys working on the boat aint working. Hate the rich to spite yourself.

Back in the Kennedy administration - his SecTres (a R) convinced him to cut taxes - the rest is history.

re: #206 AmeriDan

Your mask slipped.

Thats twice now.

"People are envious creatures after all, and they must be pandered to by politicians."

re: #208 EIDE_Interface

In what way? Are you saying that the voters Obama and McCain are pandering to are smart?

I'm saying that your pandering to LGFer's in an effort to win our "hearts and minds" isn't working.

It supports my point that McCain talks ambiguously about tax cuts, but won't say which ones he'll cut. He doesn't have guts to come out and say "yeah we're gonna cut the corporate tax rates and it's going to stimulate the economy". Will he say it? If he doesn't, Obama and the MSM will press him on it. They won't let him get away with generic talk about tax cuts.

re: #75 rawmuse

Man, some weird questions on deck tonight. I honestly don't know. Nor have I even wanted to know.

I am still trying to figure out where the hell all the tons of rubber from worn tires went, since cars began.

Super Happy Fun Balls.

re: #208 EIDE_Interface

In what way? Are you saying that the voters Obama and McCain are pandering to are smart?

Do you hear yourself? I assume you feel pandered to?

re: #212 AmeriDan

I'm saying that your pandering to LGFer's in an effort to win our "hearts and minds" isn't working.

Huh? I'm just stating my views about the election and the politics of how economics are discussed. I couldn't care less about "hearts and minds".

re: #211 pink freud

Thats twice now.

"People are envious creatures after all, and they must be pandered to by politicians."

He puts on a good show though, huh?

re: #215 celtic templar

Do you hear yourself? I assume you feel pandered to?

I am not the type of voter that McCain needs to try to win over. I'd never vote for a Democrat in my life, so McCain already had my vote no matter what. However, the voters that will make the difference in Ohio, Colorado, Virgina are the type that want to hear anything that will soothe their worries - no matter how ridiculous. Stuff like government job training, health care, and more government. I'd like to believe that telling them the basic economic truths would win votes - but it I don't think so.

THE AUDACITY OF SOCIALISM

13 part Investors Business Daily series on Obama's plan for a Socialist America.
A must read for all lizards.

re: #216 EIDE_Interface

Huh? I'm just stating my views about the election and the politics of how economics are discussed. I couldn't care less about "hearts and minds".

Yeah, yeah, we get it. You're a lifelong Republican, love your country, yada, yada, but gosh and golly, you're just not sure about McCain and Palin this time out.

re: #213 EIDE_Interface

It supports my point that McCain talks ambiguously about tax cuts, but won't say which ones he'll cut. He doesn't have guts to come out and say "yeah we're gonna cut the corporate tax rates and it's going to stimulate the economy". Will he say it? If he doesn't, Obama and the MSM will press him on it. They won't let him get away with generic talk about tax cuts.

Dude - in budget negotiations one does not get to the nut cutting until it is time and the real numbers are in front of you.

Have you ever been thru a budget negotiation?

re: #217 AmeriDan

The residual smell of funk repels me. That's the scent I catch from leftover lib professors on campus.

Calling a voter stupid or insinuating that they are not as intelligent as you is one way to lose votes.

Assuming that you're not the elitist that you sound like right now, how would you approach the economy from McCain's position?

re: #221 Bobibutu

Dude - in budget negotiations one does not get to the nut cutting until it is time and the real numbers are in front of you.

Have you ever been thru a budget negotiation?

No. But I do know that in 1980 Reagan did mention he'd cut corporate tax rates and income tax rates. He didn't just keep it general. I want McCain to start talking like Reagan, is that too much to ask for?

When I was a young astronomy nerd I loved Carl Sagan. But lately my love for him has waned. He was a bit of a moonbat, like most academics, post '68.

re: #225 Colonel Panik

When I was a young astronomy nerd I loved Carl Sagan. But lately my love for him has waned. He was a bit of a moonbat, like most academics, post '68.

Sad, but true.

re: #222 pink freud

The residual smell of funk repels me. That's the scent I catch from leftover lib professors on campus.

Don't be hatin' the funk.

My my....according to the finance section, Silver State Bankcorp has gone from struggling to 'failed'.

Why gosh- they even manage to bring up the name of Andrew McCain who served on Silver State's board for a whopping 6 months (I think he was already on the board of an Arizona bank that was acquired by Silver State). It's a pretty fleeting and tangential association, but expect the Obama campaign to try and make hay out of this.

Carl can have love: i'll take Scotch.

/more reliable

re: #221 Bobibutu

Also, McCain remembers G. Bush Sr.'s promise of "read my lips, no new taxes." And the trouble it got him into when taxes went up.

McCain isn't about to make the same mistake.

re: #223 celtic templar

Calling a voter stupid or insinuating that they are not as intelligent as you is one way to lose votes.

Assuming that you're not the elitist that you sound like right now, how would you approach the economy from McCain's position?

Honestly I'm not too worried that swing voters will read my comments on LGF and vote for Obama. They're not likely to be here. Is that your point that my comments are endangering the McCain chances?

re: #229 redc1c4

Carl can have love: i'll take Scotch.

/more reliable

I'll drink to that.
Women have let me down. A good bottle of single malt? Never.

re: #230 victor_yugo

Also, McCain remembers G. Bush Sr.'s promise of "read my lips, no new taxes." And the trouble it got him into when taxes went up.

McCain isn't about to make the same mistake.

McCain would win if he said the following:

* I'm going to cut the corporate tax rate to stimulate investment
* Going to increase the child deduction(necessary pandering)
* Going to immediately start drilling in ANWR and offshore
* Going to authorize nuclear power plants ASAP
* Will stand up all enemies(Russia, Iran), but will negotiate in good faith before resorting to military force

That's a winning platform. Will he listen?

re: #173 neocon hippie

She seems to have had a run-in with stinky.

Don't know why.

re: #231 EIDE_Interface

Honestly I'm not too worried that swing voters will read my comments on LGF and vote for Obama. They're not likely to be here. Is that your point that my comments are endangering the McCain chances?

No, your comments are endangering any civil conversation on the topic. I tend to stay away from someone that shows this kind of arrogance.

re: #235 celtic templar

No, your comments are endangering any civil conversation on the topic. I tend to stay away from someone that shows this kind of arrogance.

I am assuming LGFers are highly educated on economic matters. I wouldn't presume to think that they need to be pandered to on anything.

re: #210 Bobibutu

Back in the Kennedy administration - his SecTres (a R) convinced him to cut taxes - the rest is history.

I would like to think that I was "barely young enough." But in truth, I am plenty old enough.

:-D

re: #224 EIDE_Interface

No. But I do know that in 1980 Reagan did mention he'd cut corporate tax rates and income tax rates. He didn't just keep it general. I want McCain to start talking like Reagan, is that too much to ask for?

I have - it is painful - we are in uncharted waters economically - I would think that McC is bright enough to avoid the "read my lips" fiasco with a Demo Congress. You wanting specifics is premature.

However I am confidant that with McC the tax increases will be minimal if any - the alternative is disaster.

re: #230 victor_yugo

Also, McCain remembers G. Bush Sr.'s promise of "read my lips, no new taxes." And the trouble it got him into when taxes went up.

McCain isn't about to make the same mistake.

You preempted me!

re: #233 EIDE_Interface

Those are all promises he can't guarantee. The first two must clear Congress, the third and fourth must clear the DoE and DoI. The fifth one can be pre-empted by external hostilities.

To make those statements would be setting himself up, badly. Let him go back on any one of those, and it would be nothing but ammo for the Dems.

re: #235 celtic templar

No, your comments are endangering any civil conversation on the topic. I tend to stay away from someone that shows this kind of arrogance.

Give they guy a break... he's so fucking superior to us that it's hard for him to mouth breath and drag his knuckles like us... He's like that alien bug in the man's body in Men In Black.

Well if you want to have fun. Go to all the pingbacks and trackbacks of this article.. [Link: www.librarian.net...]

The article debunks the Palin book banning, but the enthused left keep on taking the bait and not even reading the article. They still post it as Sarah Palin book bannings. Even though the Harry Potter books on the list weren't even in print. I did a few but gotta hit the sack.

re: #240 victor_yugo

Those are all promises he can't guarantee. The first two must clear Congress, the third and fourth must clear the DoE and DoI. The fifth one can be pre-empted by external hostilities.

To make those statements would be setting himself up, badly. Let him go back on any one of those, and it would be nothing but ammo for the Dems.

Except McCain needs grand promises to overcome Hussein's grand promises. It's like a poker game, Hussein put all the chips in and McCain needs to call his bet and raise him.

McCain will not raise taxes unless he finds it necessary to fund an essential system for national defense.

That is why Duncan Hunter said when he was running that he was opposed to taxes increases but would not rule them out in the case of a military necessity.

We are living in a dangerous and volatile situation.

We all need to be prepared to make sacrifices.

re: #244 Colonel Panik

McCain will not raise taxes unless he finds it necessary to fund an essential system for national defense.

That is why Duncan Hunter said when he was running that he was opposed to taxes increases but would not rule them out in the case of a military necessity.

We are living in a dangerous and volatile situation.

We all need to be prepared to make sacrifices.

So who will be the first one to advocate cuts in welfare programs - since we need to sacrifice?

re: #224 EIDE_Interface

No. But I do know that in 1980 Reagan did mention he'd cut corporate tax rates and income tax rates. He didn't just keep it general. I want McCain to start talking like Reagan, is that too much to ask for?

Yes, Palin is the Reaganite candidate. McCain is going to be McCain. Call up Karl Rove if you really need that type of change.

re: #245 EIDE_Interface

So who will be the first one to advocate cuts in welfare programs - since we need to sacrifice?

Patience, grasshopper.

re: #247 Colonel Panik

Patience, grasshopper.

I can dare to dream...

re: #243 EIDE_Interface

No need for that.

The Fascist Tool Barack Obama has already made grandiose promises. He has ZERO record to back them up. He prefers to vote "present" as often as possible.

McCain and Palin have the record.

Akshuns speek lowdur then werds.

re: #187 Neo Con since 9-11

Indeed, I miss Render.

ONE
OF
MY
FAVORITES

R

/We are all Render now

Last post by Render is dated August 8....WTF happened?

I would like to see the day again when Republicans decide that they should persuade the middle to move to them, rather than have the Republicans move to the middle. Reagan did just that. It worked amazingly well. It will work again, if only the Republicans could bring themselves to believe in themselves and their program just enough to want to persuade others join them in their vision.

The middle is where you find yellow lines and roadkill. It is a political no-man's land where populist rhetoric fills the campaign air for but the space of a moment with all the certitude and endurance of a good intention.

Move the middle. Do not be moved by it.

re: #236 EIDE_Interface

I am assuming LGFers are highly educated on economic matters. I wouldn't presume to think that they need to be pandered to on anything.

Civility and pandering are not the same thing. People go deaf when you come across as an elite, even "highly educated LGFers".

McCain does not need to go specifics UNTIL Obama does. Obama has promised the moon, with no real specifics ... even if 3 economicists claim that 95% of the population will get a tax cut ... it doesn't wash. Let Obama stake out his position publicly (obviously prepare for it beforehand).

re: #44 ContraJihadi

Cognito, I find that in talking with you it's best to affirm the facts. Not an assertion, just a question: are you hinting that Zombie might have been one of the naked people in the trees in the location in Berkeley you mentioned?

No

Palin being vetter by the opposition in Governor run 63 page PDF file

Just wait until Stiglitz chimes in with how horrible McCain's tax plan would be for the economy. He was a Clinton economist - you can bet Obama will trot him out.

Also I forget to mention another thing. McCain/Palin need to emphasize the importance of free trade.

re: #250 talon_262

Last post by Render is dated August 8....WTF happened?

Life can get pretty busy sometimes. Perhaps he is preoccupied. Whatever it is that keeps him distracted from posting here, I hope it is a good thing.

re: #245 EIDE_Interface

So who will be the first one to advocate cuts in welfare programs - since we need to sacrifice?

Ah - welfare programs - as I said it will be painful - it was when I was involved - thank God i am no longer.

Having been thru that experience - which you have said you have not - I advocate patience as one has said before me - there are no absolutes - and to demand one is ignorance.

Limbaugh is fond of saying , "Conservitism works every time it's tried."
Palin seems to be proving him true.
58% approval.

re: #258 lummox

So does abstinence.

Although that doesn't have any bearing on Palin's campaign, obviously...

This is what Obama claims:

[Link: econ4obama.blogspot.com...]

* 95% of working families would have a tax cut under Obama's proposals.
* 100 million Americans would have NO tax cut under McCain's proposals.
* Most Americans would have a larger tax cut under Obama than under McCain.

Hard to see how McCain can top that, or he has to call Hussein on his lies.