now can we question their patriotism and judgment?

Flag-gate!

Flagate!

Hey, when you throw bags full of American flags away and someone comes across them in the dumpster, expect to have your action called into question.

now can we question their patriotism and judgment?

We can and we should. We should remain focused on the issues that matter though.

re: #1 _RememberTonyC

Not 'til you see them waving their white hankies.

can we go for the jugular now? please?

Well, Obama went dumpster-diving for a V.P....

To Dems, flags are only something they bring out every four years for tv. Make no mistake, these folks are about the "world" not about the USA.

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Unfortunately we all missed the speech to see how the flags were used. From the pic with this story it looks like they handed them out to the audience.

To many of them, that flag is good for a photo op and that is about it. I am sure there are many Dems who love the USA and respect the flag....but judging by the shear number of flags they tossed out, it appears to me that many of them don't respect the meaning of the flag......so, when they get busted on it, they want to deflect the real issue...Nice try KOS, but you know what deal is...you guys tossed them out like garbage, because that is what most of you think of the flag.

Hopefully, McCain will rescue the flag from Obama on Nov 4th .

Good one huh?

re: #6 Cap'n DOC

they may wave the white hankies at our enemies, but if the Repubs win, watch for them to try and block the confirmation of every cabinet appointment made by McCain, especially Bolton.

Boy Scouts were sorting 84 bags of flags in Colorado Saturday morning, before a McCain supporter had veterans distribute them to the audience.

“We want to find good homes for these flags,” radio host Dan Caplis said at the rally, adding that whatever flags remained would be placed at memorials throughout Colorado.

Audience members, who booed when Caplis announced that the flags were left in Denver, waved the flags and chanted “U.S.A” ahead of McCain’s arrival at the rally with his running mate Sarah Palin.

Comment from the above article:

If the flags had been French , the democrats would have taken them home like they were a national treasure and displayed them proudly.

Comment by S[...] L. T[...] — September 6, 2008 @ 8:50 am

Remember Rick Monday saving that flag when the kook ran across the outfield? Well, not only was this patriotic to save them but a great piece of "stategery" - thank you Karl you magnificent bastard.

one man's trash, another man's treasure

Now, a white flag....that is given the utmost respect by the Left....I am sure Harry Reid and Obama have a special white flag they wanted to hang up at the Baghdad Airport while the last helicopters left Iraq.....

Oh for the........

A) Was it really neccesary for the Republicans to advertise that they were rescuing the flags? Just do it without trying to score political points.

B) And the Democrats response........good lord.

Obama: John McCain stole my Hope. Stole my Change. Stole my paygrade.

re: #15 Killgore Trout

For anybody wondering, "Caplas and Silverman" are our local version of Hannity and Colmes on the radio. Silverman plays (?) Skeletor.

Now we need to go collect the flags of Che Guevera in Obama's campaign offices

sharm didn't see your comment

Wasn'tit the MSM that sued to take Nixon's trash and won?

Once you throw it, it is up for grabs. Maybe you should treat her with respect.

Man, this one is going to leave a mark.

Good Going Team Mac!

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately we all missed the speech to see how the flags were used. From the pic with this story it looks like they handed them out to the audience.

After it was explained where they came from, they were handed out by Veterans. The audience was told "if you don't wish to take them with you when you leave, and can't give them a good home, please return them and we will distribute them to Veterans cemeteries."

So much for reduce, reuse, recycle. They could have reused these flags at another event, but instead they opted for the democratic tried and true wasteful spending.

A democrat spokesman claimed that these flags were going to be packed up and returned to the distributor for "redistribution".

And they really expect us to believe that?

re: #17 wright1

Remember Rick Monday saving that flag when the kook ran across the outfield? Well, not only was this patriotic to save them but a great piece of "stategery" - thank you Karl you magnificent bastard.

Rick Monday's actions....

re: #20 Dave the.....

Oh for the........

A) Was it really neccesary for the Republicans to advertise that they were rescuing the flags? Just do it without trying to score political points.

B) And the Democrats response........good lord.

a) yes
b) see above. hehehehehehe

AND-

Their whining shows it hit home.

Ouch!

Didn't I see a photo here of Flags at the stadium tossed into the TRASH along with cups, food, and other refuse?

I hope there are pictures or videos of the flags in trash bags, as proof.

re: #28 Sharmuta

So much for reduce, reuse, recycle. They could have reused these flags at another event, but instead they opted for the democratic tried and true wasteful spending.

They will all have to buy carbon credits from Honest Al's Environmental Indulgences, Inc. for filling up the landfill with all those flags

Got it. The Democrats threw thousands of American flags in the garbage, but it was the Republicans who did an unethical thing by mentioning it.

Sort of like how the Democrats circulated a lot of stories (some true, mostly false) about Sarah Palin's children, and then chastised Palin for bringing her children's private issues into public discussion.

Someone on the other thread called this a cheap stunt. Maybe in one way it is. But it another, larger, way it illustrates a truth about the hard left wing that runs the Democratic Party: A flag means nothing, it's something you trot out to lull the rubes and then dispose of as the garbage you, good cosmopolitan, democrat that you are, think it is. It's an illustration, an _accurate_ one, of the way they really think.

Proper flag retirement...

re: #18 phoenixgirl

one man's trash treason, another man's treasur patriotism

Fixed.

We just like being American and don't care who knows it. Socialist Democrats don't. It's that simple.

re: #29 really grumpy big dog Johnson

A democrat spokesman claimed that these flags were going to be packed up and returned to the distributor for "redistribution".

And they really expect us to believe that?

As I said on previous thread, it's a stupid answer. "What should we do with these?"... "send 'em back where they came from, we've got no use for them."

It is putting a meme into the voter's subconcious. The Flag is the symbol of the country.

Democrats throw away the flag. They throw away the country.

Simple. Effective.

If the DNC were going to get the Flags out of the trash for redistribution or whatever and then discovered they were GONE, then why the hell didn't we hear about this before the Republicans displayed them today?

re: #29 really grumpy big dog Johnson

A democrat spokesman claimed that these flags were going to be packed up and returned to the distributor for "redistribution".

And they really expect us to believe that?

They really used that word? "Redistribution" - Communists to the core.

re: #29 really grumpy big dog Johnson

A democrat spokesman claimed that these flags were going to be packed up and returned to the distributor for "redistribution".

And they really expect us to believe that?

Well, they are being redistributed now and the DNC doesn't have to lift a finger—you'd think they'd be grateful.

I can't say I'm on board with this stunt. Sorry.

re: #37 Tom Kratman

Someone on the other thread called this a cheap stunt. Maybe in one way it is. But it another, larger, way it illustrates a truth about the hard left wing that runs the Democratic Party: A flag means nothing, it's something you trot out to lull the rubes and then dispose of as the garbage you, good cosmopolitan, democrat that you are, think it is. It's an illustration, an _accurate_ one, of the way they really think.

Exactly, Tom.

I've "rescued" dropped flags before, so I can relate to the folks in Denver.

re: #13 Celtic Templar

Hopefully, McCain will rescue the flag from Obama on Nov 4th .

Good one huh?

Yep - good one!

The Dems dumped 84 sacks of flags, according to the various links.
Now if they were going to send them back to the manufacturers - why would the flags have ended up in the garbage?

What is the saying about dogs which have been hit?
They howl ...

Dems are howling ...

re: #42 kuffar

It is putting a meme into the voter's subconcious. The Flag is the symbol of the country.

Democrats throw away the flag. They throw away the country.

Simple. Effective.

ding.

re: #40 godfrey

We just like being American and don't care who knows it. Socialist Democrats don't. It's that simple.

When you truly hate your country the flag is such a painful reminder - better to discard it

well, if obama is elected he'll probably "change" the flag

re: #34 Ward Cleaver

I hope there are pictures or videos of the flags in trash bags, as proof.

See here.

re: #21 kuffar

Obama: John McCain stole my Hope. Stole my Change. Stole my paygrade.

He didn't let me finish waffling.

re: #51 phoenixgirl

well, if obama is elected he'll probably "change" the flag

Right to 57 states or is that 59?

I’m not sure what the DNC was supposed to do with unused hand-flags, frankly. But the Republicans are obviously questioning someone’s patriotism here.

Gee- I can think of a lot of ways the dems could have used these flags. How about hand them out at other 0bama rallies? How about donating them to some VFWs? How about donating them to cemeteries to decorate the graves of veterans? Or donating them to the Goodwill to sell (psst- the Goodwill uses their income to help the poor- the very people the dems say they're fighting for).

And that's just a few ideas off the top of my head.

re: #44 Celtic Templar

They really used that word? "Redistribution" - Communists to the core.

Umm, I mean, err, redeployed.

re: #37 Tom Kratman

Someone on the other thread called this a cheap stunt. Maybe in one way it is. But it another, larger, way it illustrates a truth about the hard left wing that runs the Democratic Party: A flag means nothing, it's something you trot out to lull the rubes and then dispose of as the garbage you, good cosmopolitan, democrat that you are, think it is. It's an illustration, an _accurate_ one, of the way they really think.

And how long do you think it will take the Dems to show that at some RNC event or another... this covention, or the last one, or 2000... hundreds of little plastic flags wound up in dumpsters? I think this will backfire. I am surprised McCain okayed it (assuming he did).

Probably found the flags in the same area they found Obama's flag pin.

As usual, the Dems true ire is because they were "caught"

if the dems had thought about it for 1 minute, they could have contacte this place [Link: www.cem.va.gov...] I'm sure they would have found some vets to come and get them.

I reject that the person who found the garbage bags full of Flags thought of producing a "Stunt" for McCain.

I bet when he found these flags by the dumpster ready to be tossed with the garbage - HE WAS PISSED.

re: #57 Occasional Reader

Perhaps. But who's going to believe any of that was deliberate? McCain's patriotism is trump.

I'd rather think of it as going behind enemy lines and rescuing POW's. Those flags were used and abused for political purposes in a war. They were not stolen, they were repatriated.

re: #55 Sharmuta

Gee- I can think of a lot of ways the dems could have used these flags. How about hand them out at other 0bama rallies? How about donating them to some VFWs? How about donating them to cemeteries to decorate the graves of veterans? Or donating them to the Goodwill to sell (psst- the Goodwill uses their income to help the poor- the very people the dems say they're fighting for).

And that's just a few ideas off the top of my head.

It's easy when you don't consider flags to be garbage.

Flag-gate@ Will the MSM stop at nothing to smear Republicans?

re: #57 Occasional Reader

And how long do you think it will take the Dems to show that at some RNC event or another... this covention, or the last one, or 2000... hundreds of little plastic flags wound up in dumpsters? I think this will backfire. I am surprised McCain okayed it (assuming he did).

But that dog won't hunt ... Noone is questioning McCain's loyalty. Obama's loyalty is the meme. Flag pin, flag saluting, the woman singing the black liberation theme instead of the star spangled banner, CCCP shirts - that's the Dems baggage.

re: #57 Occasional Reader

And how long do you think it will take the Dems to show that at some RNC event or another... this covention, or the last one, or 2000... hundreds of little plastic flags wound up in dumpsters? I think this will backfire. I am surprised McCain okayed it (assuming he did).

These are clearly not plastic flags. Matter of fact, I'm not sure I have ever seen a plastic flag bigger than a postage stamp. these are the same size flags used on veteran's graves at cemetaries.

re: #57 Occasional Reader

The can try that but there are already pictures and witnesses that they were "trashed"

re: #55 Sharmuta

Gee- I can think of a lot of ways the dems could have used these flags. How about hand them out at other 0bama rallies? How about donating them to some VFWs? How about donating them to cemeteries to decorate the graves of veterans? Or donating them to the Goodwill to sell (psst- the Goodwill uses their income to help the poor- the very people the dems say they're fighting for).

And that's just a few ideas off the top of my head.

Well, again, if the RNC is going to run with that line, I sure hope they're prepared to show that that's what they've done during the last few conventions, at least.
Otherwise, they're pretty much setting themselves up for a PR takedown.

re: #52 Yankee Division Son

See here.

That picture makes me feel quite sick - and its not even 'my' flag!

This is a viral election. Republicans are playing catch up. And we can't say, that just because we won this election, that we will win the next.

re: #62 godfrey

But who's going to believe any of that was deliberate?

What do you mean by "deliberate"?

There's no way all those Bonkeys would throw away all those American flags!

/I bet the evil Republicans had to pry the flags out of the patriotic Bonkey's clutches at gun point

re: #9 kjo

To Dems, flags are only something they bring out every four years for tv. Make no mistake, these folks are about the "world" not about the USA.

I have to respectfully disagree.

I think they are about their whiny little egos and their delusions of godhood.

This is just a rumor but I read somewhere that Dennis Prager was at the Dem convention and said that when Obama's speech was over he saw hundreds if not thousands of flags laying on the ground.

Question on the backstory:

Was someone from the RNC actually camped outside Invesco to see what got tossed or did some Invesco employee actually call the RNC to, "take a look at this."

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

The question shouldn't be about their patriotism, rather whether they are really even Americans the way the behave.

SPITS

re: #71 kuffar

This is a viral election. Republicans are playing catch up. And we can't say, that just because we won this election, that we will win the next.

Do you mean viral erection or vital election?

re: #46 Occasional Reader

I can't say I'm on board with this stunt. Sorry.

Why do you think it's a "stunt", OR? I mean, once the flags were found and turned over to the McCain campaign, what were they supposed to do with them? Obviously the Dems didn't want them, and word about them being thrown away would have gotten out. Guess they could have given them to the Boy Scouts for a disposal, but with that many flags, it would've been news, too. I don't see any way the Dems could avoid the bad PR for this.

Isn't it the rule that when you discard something, you lose all rights to it? Otherwise, those cops tailing suspects waiting for them to throw a Coke can away in order to collect DNA are wasting their time.

I'm sure all those Hefty bags were accidental.

re: #71 kuffar

This is a viral election. Republicans are playing catch up. And we can't say, that just because we won this election, that we will win the next.

SO tiring though. "Our 1 trillion blog posts shall defeat your trillion blog posts" or something like that.

re: #82 EIDE_Interface

SO tiring though. "Our 1 trillion blog posts shall defeat your trillion blog posts" or something like that.

And eventually, like you mentioned before, it comes down to swing voters ... the bloggers are committed to their cause.

re: #57 Occasional Reader

Ahem - these were not itsy little plastic flags.
That picture of the bags showed this quite clearly - and they looked brand new to me, not 'used and thrashed'.

So I think they did right to take them and use them.

I’m not sure what the DNC was supposed to do with unused hand-flags, frankly. But the Republicans are obviously questioning someone’s patriotism here.

They only needed the Flags on that night. Using the Flag as a prop, just like the columns.
DNC/obama hypocrites all.

They were not throwing the flag away.

The flags were being saved for Bill Ayers and his liberal friends to have a flag stomp party...all proceeds going to the DNC of course.

re: #81 Sharmuta

I'm sure all those Hefty bags were accidental.

THERE IT IS ...

re: #54 wright1

Right to 57 states or is that 59?

Did anybody but me catch Sarah Palin's reference to "the 54 states, including territories" at McCain's acceptance speech? It was regarding the direct communication coordination she was doing with Jindal and the other governors with the hurricane. She was referring to the cooperation of the leadership of territories, in addition to actual states. There is no way that was an accident.

That seems to have gone under the radar.

Tossed in the trash like withered arugula.

re: #72 Occasional Reader

Ok, if Dems somehow get verified pics of flags discarded en masse at GOP events, there will be blowback. But even if there is blowback, no one could seriously questions McCain's or Palin's patriotism, or even GOP patriotism in general. The point here is that the flags in the trash are part of a Leftist pattern.

If someone stole a few thousand of my flags there'd be a police report.

HOW DARE YOU QUESTION OUR PATRIOTISM?

Nice try on the spin Democrats.

But what about THIS?

Just in case that link is being overwhelmed, it's actual pictures from the DNC of US flags in the trash amid other refuse!

I re-posted a couple of them here.

Spin that, jerks!

"Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings." (German: "Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.")—Heinrich Heine, from his play Almansor (1821)

The left today are the ones abusing the symbols of liberty, the media of free thought and the dignity of human life. They would destroy the trappings and rituals of our Republic, they would restrict the free distribution of alternative ideas, they would destroy people.

re: #82 EIDE_Interface

re: #78 wright1

It is hard to explain without going into a whole host of topics and such. I am only a layman in each. But I get it.

re: #79 Ward Cleaver

Why do you think it's a "stunt", OR? I mean, once the flags were found and turned over to the McCain campaign, what were they supposed to do with them?

As Homer said to Marge (when she questioned whether Chief Justice Earl Warren was a male stripper), "now who's being naive?"

I have, ah, a little trouble believing that these were just flags that, gosh, some Invesco Field worker strolled into McCain HQ and dropped 'em off. Call me cynical, but...

And clearly, however they came into the McCain campaign's hands, they are making a big deal (including advance notice to the press, I heard it myself) what they were planning to do.

I really, really fear this will backfire.

re: #82 EIDE_Interface

SO tiring though. "Our 1 trillion blog posts shall defeat your trillion blog posts" or something like that.

Don't forget the dead blog posts from Chicago.

re: #93 Mr. Right

Irrefutable.

well, considering the dems don't really respect our country, why would they respect the flag?

re: #81 Sharmuta

I'm sure all those Hefty bags were accidental.

Who neatly and at least semi-respectfully rolled them all up like that, the Bonkeys or the Republicans?

/that would make a big difference to this story

re: #80 RememberSekhmet?

Isn't it the rule that when you discard something, you lose all rights to it? Otherwise, those cops tailing suspects waiting for them to throw a Coke can away in order to collect DNA are wasting their time.

Absolutely. Once something goes in the trash (dumpster or city receptacle), anybody can have it.

re: #69 Occasional Reader

I was quoting the author of the Denver Post blog entry. I think it's a callous question. What else were they supposed to do with the flags? As if it's a burden to have left over flags. Reminds me of 0bama not wanting his daughters punished with a baby. To these people- flags and babies are burdens.

Stepping away from the patriotism angle for a moment....

... how fiscally wastful is this? 12000 flags is about 4 or 5 thousand dollars? It's hard to comprehend who made the choice to toss them rather than reuse them somewhere.

To paraphrase my mother from many years ago, there are millions of people in China going to bed hungry for an American flag and you just throw it away.

Democrats: The Republicans wrongfully took the flags before we could burn them to provide heat for all of the poor people left homeless by Chimpy Bushitler!

Call the waaaambulance.

re: #88 jwb7605

well guam, puerto rico, us virgin islands, and wake island

re: #96 Occasional Reader

As Homer said to Marge (when she questioned whether Chief Justice Earl Warren was a male stripper), "now who's being naive?"

I have, ah, a little trouble believing that these were just flags that, gosh, some Invesco Field worker strolled into McCain HQ and dropped 'em off. Call me cynical, but...

And clearly, however they came into the McCain campaign's hands, they are making a big deal (including advance notice to the press, I heard it myself) what they were planning to do.

I really, really fear this will backfire.

We'll just have to wait and see.

re: #103 DeafDog

Stepping away from the patriotism angle for a moment....

... how fiscally wastful is this? 12000 flags is about 4 or 5 thousand dollars? It's hard to comprehend who made the choice to toss them rather than reuse them somewhere.

Exactly- it's standard democrat waste.

re: #46 Occasional Reader

I can't say I'm on board with this stunt. Sorry.

I too find it to be a bit of a cheap stunt. Particularly if far too much is made of it, like accusing all Democrats of being Communists or something like that.

I can't claim that I properly rescue and retire every abandoned flag that I see. Nevertheless, I love my country and respect the flag enough not to casually toss a flag in the garbage after I've waved it around for a few hours. And it's absolutely unimaginable to me that someone would do that to a flag that they just received at Obama's supposedly history-making speech. Wouldn't they take it home and keep it as a souvenir? A memento of how this inspiring, electrifying speech made them believe in their country again?

I think the trashed flags speak volumes about how the concept of Country is completely absent from the Democratic mindset, and how their claim of loving the county enough to want to change it is utter bullshit. But I do think that parading the trashed flags around has the potential to backfire badly for the Republicans.

Once you throw something in the trash - it's finders keepers. Everyone under the sun knows that.

What were the flags doing in the trash?

re: #84 yma o hyd

Ahem - these were not itsy little plastic flags.
That picture of the bags showed this quite clearly - and they looked brand new to me, not 'used and thrashed'.

I'm pretty sure I know exactly what they are; I've collected a few myself. About 5 inches by 3 inches, made from synthetic material (hence my "plastic" reference); cheaply made, usually in China, ironically enough.

And the apparent story is that they were "unused", I'm not saying otherwise.

Sucks getting busted throwing the American flag away.

They should have thought about that when they did it.

re: #104 HelloDare

To paraphrase my mother from many years ago, there are millions of people in China going to bed hungry for an American flag and you just throw it away.

Well, they made them in the first place, so, when they get tossed out, the 13 year old Chinese girl that is chained to the US Flag making machine in a dreary factory outside Shanghai gets to make more for the next rally....

If the Dems were not throwing the flags out, what was the explanation of how they came into the possession of the Boy Scouts?

re: #51 phoenixgirl

well, if obama is elected he'll probably "change" the flag

Right to 57 states or is that 59?

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

re: #108 Sharmuta

Exactly- it's standard democrat waste.

Standard Democrat tactic as well - spend lots of other people's money in a thoughtless manner, claim to be "environmentally sensitive" and patriotic, demonstrate yourselves to be the exact opposite and whine about it when you get caught.

re: #100 Killian Bundy

Who neatly and at least semi-respectfully rolled them all up like that, the Bonkeys or the Republicans?

/that would make a big difference to this story

They were found like that. They were never used. It didn't even occur to them to call the local VFW so they might be used on Veterans graves, let alone use them at the next campaign event.

Invesco was jam packed for Obama's big speech. I'm guessing that everyone who walked through the gates was offered a free flag but they weren't such a hot item. Literally speaking, they couldn't give them away. As to how to "get rid of them" C'mon. You want to lead a Nation and you are throwing out thousands of brand new American flags? If they had any business sense about them, they could have sold them. On eBay.

Now I bet if they were handing out Che' T shirts or "Free Mumia" bumper stickers, they wouldn't have had any leftovers.

re: #109 Last Mohican

I too find it to be a bit of a cheap stunt. Particularly if far too much is made of it, like accusing all Democrats of being Communists or something like that.

I can't claim that I properly rescue and retire every abandoned flag that I see. Nevertheless, I love my country and respect the flag enough not to casually toss a flag in the garbage after I've waved it around for a few hours. And it's absolutely unimaginable to me that someone would do that to a flag that they just received at Obama's supposedly history-making speech. Wouldn't they take it home and keep it as a souvenir? A memento of how this inspiring, electrifying speech made them believe in their country again?

I think the trashed flags speak volumes about how the concept of Country is completely absent from the Democratic mindset, and how their claim of loving the county enough to want to change it is utter bullshit. But I do think that parading the trashed flags around has the potential to backfire badly for the Republicans.

A compromise is to have them given one time to a VFW during a campaign stop for "redistribution"

...but I do notice that the DNCC’s statement does not deny they were throwing the flags away.

They're not embarrassed they tossed out the flags, they're embarrassed they were caught doing so.

re: #102 Sharmuta

To these people- flags and babies are burdens.

I think if someone dropped off twenty or thirty thousand little flags at your home, you might have trouble not thinking of them as a "burden", too.

re: #115 MAV

re: #51 phoenixgirl

well, if obama is elected he'll probably "change" the flag

Right to 57 states or is that 59?

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

59. But the two states that Obama hasn't visited yet will temporarily have smaller, grayish stars, because they have not yet known the healing touch of Obama's messianic feet, peace be upon them.

I don't put a lot of stock in this, either way.

re: #118 mich-again

Invesco was jam packed for Obama's big speech. I'm guessing that everyone who walked through the gates was offered a free flag but they weren't such a hot item. Literally speaking, they couldn't give them away. As to how to "get rid of them" C'mon. You want to lead a Nation and you are throwing out thousands of brand new American flags? If they had any business sense about them, they could have sold them. On eBay.

Now I bet if they were handing out Che' T shirts or "Free Mumia" bumper stickers, they wouldn't have had any leftovers.

I'm surprised for one night they didn't rename Invesco Field as Che Stadium.

They Dems could have sold them and raised money. Flags that were in the near proximity of the chosen one, that were waved in his holy presence. He could have blessed bags full of them before they were sold. The dems have no imagination.

re: #121 Occasional Reader

I think if someone dropped off twenty or thirty thousand little flags at your home, you might have trouble not thinking of them as a "burden", too.

I alone am not a political party, so that's a weak analogy. If I was the head of the RNC, I would find another use for the flags besides the garbage.

OT - At least she was three years older than Mohammed's last wife when he married her!

Girl Forced to Marry at Nine Murdered After She Sought Annulment

A 17-year-old Pakistani girl forced to marry a 45-year-old when she was only nine was reportedly killed by her parents, according to the Weekend Australian.

The murder has intensified despair among human rights workers in Pakistan over a recent spate of "honor killings," in which two women and three teenage school girls were buried alive in Baluchistan Province because they wanted to marry the men of their choice.

Saira Nusrat Bibi was successfully fighting a legal battle to have her marriage annulled. As she left court in the Punjabi city of Sahiwal, she was surrounded by a group of men reportedly sent by her parents, and shot in front of police, The Australian reported.

The Baluchistan case was worsened by an attempt by a member of the country's national parliament, Senator Israr Ullah Zehri, to defend it, telling colleagues that "these are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them,” The Australian reports...

It's a fun story, though.

re: #123 Cognito

I don't put a lot of stock in this, either way.

In what? Apparently this bubbled up to cable news, so it is a story. Got legs for a little while.

re: #118 mich-again

I'm guessing that everyone who walked through the gates was offered a free flag but they weren't such a hot item.

I really don't recall seeing much flag-waving during the Obama speech. I think some lizards commented on it at the time. Lots of Obama signs, of course.

Another great executive decision. Trash the flags.

If they had any brains at all the Democrats would have simply said "Thank you, someone screwed up, so embarrassing, we'll take them back now and do the right thing."

re: #101 Ward Cleaver

Absolutely. Once something goes in the trash (dumpster or city receptacle), anybody can have it.

Thats true for a public garbage receptacle but the rules are a bit trickier for a private garbage can, even if its outside. If the garbage can is at the side of your garage on your property, its still private and the police would need a search warrant to rifle through it. But once you take the can to the curb then its fair game.

re: #123 Cognito

I don't put a lot of stock in this, either way.

I'll wait to hear all the evidence. If they were really on their way to the trash, then screw the Dems.

re: #123 Cognito

I don't put a lot of stock in this, either way.

It really only became an issue when the Dems piped up about how the evil Republicans "stole" their garbage, oops, I mean flags.....if they wanted this to go away, they should have ignored it...instead, they chose to act like this is a big issue and now they can pay the price....hahahahahahahahaha

re: #127 Ward Cleaver

Praying for the souls of those girls and divine justice for their murderers.

Well....
Now I know what all those mandatory volunteer youths will be doing under an 0bama administration:
policing dumpster divers!
They get $1,800 a month plus $4,700 for education for 12 months of volunteer work.
And 0bama gets to brainwash them the whole time.

re: #133 mich-again

Thats true for a public garbage receptacle but the rules are a bit trickier for a private garbage can, even if its outside. If the garbage can is at the side of your garage on your property, its still private and the police would need a search warrant to rifle through it. But once you take the can to the curb then its fair game.

You're right.

re: #124 JammieWearingFool

I'm surprised for one night they didn't rename Invesco Field as Che Stadium.

I hate you for not letting me think of that first.

Now I'm trying to patch some weak riposte together involving Chinese Communism and "Yangtze Stadium", but it just isn't working.

re: #29 really grumpy big dog Johnson

A democrat spokesman claimed that these flags were going to be packed up and returned to the distributor for "redistribution".

And they really expect us to believe that?

Ohmigod it's Solyent Green

who was the dumb bastard who ordered these flags anyway. The DNC saw them and said..... "Nope - no flags at OUR convention, the Europeans will think it is tasteless".

re: #100 Killian Bundy

I think ThOSE were the UNUSED ones

It's surprisingly easy to drop off donations at the Goodwill, who will put their profits towards helping the people the dems say they want to help. Of course- they don't want to help the poor through a charity unless that "charity" is a federal program.

The Dems should be happy the flags got recycled.

Aren't they the so-called "green party"?

Sure, no one is above cheap shots. But this statement pull the scales towards the left far more than before.
Aside from the arguably juvenile GOP ad comparing 0bama to Britney and Paris, the liberals came out far worse on every front; they repeatedly interfered with the freedom of speech at the RNC of running veep and president candidates, violently protested at the march to the GOP convention and keep tossing the slimiest cheap shots at Palin to foment hate and hysteria.

re: #133 mich-again

Thats true for a public garbage receptacle but the rules are a bit trickier for a private garbage can, even if its outside. If the garbage can is at the side of your garage on your property, its still private and the police would need a search warrant to rifle through it. But once you take the can to the curb then its fair game.

That's why I wait until just before the collectors come. Retired with time on my hands, I can play the game.

re: #113 Desert Dog

Chinese girl that is chained to the US Flag making machine

Great image.

re: #123 Cognito

It plays to peoples doubts about Democrats.

re: #121 Occasional Reader

I think if someone dropped off twenty or thirty thousand little flags at your home, you might have trouble not thinking of them as a "burden", too.

No, I'd call the local VFW, whom I'm sure would find an appropriate use for them at the local cemetery. I'd even keep a few for my Dad's grave.

This, in my mind, is exactly the point. Once the TV cameras were shut off, the Dem's had NO use for them, nor could they even imagine any use for them whatsoever.

re: #63 ZoomieMSgt

I'd rather think of it as going behind enemy lines and rescuing POW's. Those flags were used and abused for political purposes in a war. They were not stolen, they were repatriated.

Well said MSgt!

re: #123 Cognito

Mr. Cognito, to many, this is not a trivial matter.

The flag deserves respect.

And in fact, if you have a flag that needs to be disposed of, you should give it to the American Legion or the Boy Scouts, or, IIRC, the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

Now if the DNC does not know this, I do question their patriotism.

#121 Occasional Reader

I think if someone dropped off twenty or thirty thousand little flags at your home, you might have trouble not thinking of them as a "burden", too.

Are you just crazy?

re: #70 yma o hyd

That picture makes me feel quite sick - and its not even 'my' flag!

IMHO

The picture is after the flags were prepared (by the boyscouts) for (re) distribution at the latest Republican event to be handed out by the veterans. The flags were rolled and stacked.

Do not think for one minute that this is condition that they were in when found at Invesco field.

re: #105 Darwin Akbar

Democrats: The Republicans wrongfully took the flags before we could burn them to provide heat for all of the poor people left homeless by Chimpy Bushitler!

Call the waaaambulance.

nice.

If you want US Made Flags, you can get 'em at Flags a Flying!

re: #130 Occasional Reader

I really don't recall seeing much flag-waving during the Obama speech. I think some lizards commented on it at the time. Lots of Obama signs, of course.

Sounds like a democrat purchasing agent assumed that US flags would be waved at the Presidential convention and was very wrong.

re: #148 Syrah

Is anyone surprised?

Who needs your stinkin' anthem

re: #132 lifeofthemind

If they had any brains at all the Democrats would have simply said "Thank you, someone screwed up, so embarrassing, we'll take them back now and do the right thing."

Instead they blamed Sarah Palin.

re: #126 Sharmuta

I alone am not a political party, so that's a weak analogy. If I was the head of the RNC, I would find another use for the flags besides the garbage.

My point is, if you're managing any sort of event, and wind up with tens of thousands of leftover ANYTHINGS, like it or not, it becomes.... well... a waste disposal issue. Sorry, there it it.

re: #152 LSD

#121 Occasional Reader

Are you just crazy?

Yes. But that's beside the point.

re: #156 debutaunt

And of course BHO referred to the flag as "that pin".

re: #121 Occasional Reader

I think if someone dropped off twenty or thirty thousand little flags at your home, you might have trouble not thinking of them as a "burden", too.

I got the VFW and plenty of service friends that can give them out ... I would do a damn well better job than the DNC. Please send them my way.

re: #139 Occasional Reader

I hate you for not letting me think of that first.

Now I'm trying to patch some weak riposte together involving Chinese Communism and "Yangtze Stadium", but it just isn't working.

I'm annoyed I didn't think of it last week before his speech.

Discarded props.

Cindy Sheehan knows a little something about that.

re: #153 Piglet-U93
You're right - I didn't think of that - but it doesn't make me feel better about what the dems did/are doing ...

Disposable patriotism.

recycle reduce reuse! (unless you are a lefty putz in danger of losing an election)

Always amazed at how natural ineptitude comes..... great hole diggers though!

re: #96 Occasional Reader

As Homer said to Marge (when she questioned whether Chief Justice Earl Warren was a male stripper), "now who's being naive?"

I have, ah, a little trouble believing that these were just flags that, gosh, some Invesco Field worker strolled into McCain HQ and dropped 'em off. Call me cynical, but...

And clearly, however they came into the McCain campaign's hands, they are making a big deal (including advance notice to the press, I heard it myself) what they were planning to do.

I really, really fear this will backfire.

There is no way this image can be spun in a way any that an American citizen will accept.
regarding how the Scouts obtained the flags.
I was a Scout leader for over 10 years.
Some of those boys did stuff meriting "hard time". I will honestly tell you that none of things ever involved disrespecting the flag.
If you want to go down "those roads", you might discover that Mafia members are also patriots if you start running the country down.

I hope no one gets the idea to get a bunch of GOP literature/posters/whatever and to stuff it into a garbage bag filled with American flags.

bbl

back in 12

re: #159 Occasional Reader

My point is, if you're managing any sort of event, and wind up with tens of thousands of leftover ANYTHINGS, like it or not, it becomes.... well... a waste disposal issue. Sorry, there it it.

And the democrats first solution was the garbage. Not reusing them at other rallies. Not donating them to the Goodwill or VFW. The garbage.

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

I'll wait to hear all the evidence. If they were really on their way to the trash, then screw the Dems.

look at the pics (posted upthread) presumably the bags of unused rolled up flags were discovered at the sam location as the ones in with plain garbage.

re: #156 debutaunt

Sounds like a democrat purchasing agent assumed that US flags would be waved at the Presidential convention and was very wrong.

I *do* think there's a potential very interesting story about why those flags weren't handed out. With "indifference" being the primary suspected culprit.

re: #156 debutaunt

re: #161 Ojoe

And it takes me some effort to remain civil when I post about this.

re: #158 DeafDog

Speaking Sarah, I bet she is picking out a place to put the head of Joe Biden in her study right now....between the big moose and the 5 point Elk perhaps?

re: #152 LSD

#121 Occasional Reader

Are you just crazy?

OR has been kidnapped and someone else is using his nic.

We all know Willy Ayers' stance on the flag.

re: #133 mich-again

Thats true for a public garbage receptacle but the rules are a bit trickier for a private garbage can, even if its outside. If the garbage can is at the side of your garage on your property, its still private and the police would need a search warrant to rifle through it. But once you take the can to the curb then its fair game.

Please, please, please let the DNC pursue that line of logic.
Please, please, please.

On the Sunday after 9-11 NYC had a interfaith prayer service rally at Yankee Stadium. I was there with the Red Cross providing mass care, giving out water, programs and Teddy bears for the crowd and otherwise helping out. We started handing out American flags to the arriving public, who were largely families of the dead. Some busybody from the National headqarters, who looked and acted like she had stepped off the Hee Haw set, came by and ordered us to stop "since the Red Cross is neutral." I got ballistic and in her face, daring her to throw me out. The Boss boss for the Red Cross came by soon after, handed each of us a flag and then stood with the local volunteers and NYPD as we handed flags to all.

re: #168 jwb7605

Now that is an awful image.

re: #161 Ojoe

And of course BHO referred to the flag as "that pin".

BHO also says 'this country' instead of my coutry. That tells me a lot.

re: #175 Desert Dog

Speaking Sarah, I bet she is picking out a place to put the head of Joe Biden in her study right now....between the big moose and the 5 point Elk perhaps?

LOL

Joe is rug material

re: #33 LSD

Didn't I see a photo here of Flags at the stadium tossed into the TRASH along with cups, food, and other refuse?

Exactly. WHAT WERE THE FLAGS DOING IN THE TRASH?

It's quite simple really. They need to answer that question and that question alone.

/I'm sure Andrea Mitchell and the rest of the left-wing media will get to the bottom of it.

"Damn! They took the flags! I guess we'll have to buy Charmin for the DNC this month anyway!"

re: #176 debutaunt

OR has been kidnapped and someone else is using his nic.

Nope. This just seems like bad tactics to me. I think it will be easily *and succesfully* spun around by the Dems as "the Republicans are pawing through our dumpsters rather than talking about real issues".

re: #148 Syrah

It plays to peoples doubts about Democrats.

home grown terrorist, commie, bomber and close friend of barack obama.
look at that asshole's face as he stomps on the flag.
he has spent his whole life hating america and he's still here.

re: #177 MandyManners

We all know Willy Ayers' stance on the flag.

I would be soooo tempted to wipe that smug look off the jackasses face.

re: #179 lifeofthemind

Some busybody from the National headqarters, who looked and acted like she had stepped off the Hee Haw set, came by and ordered us to stop "since the Red Cross is neutral."

Oh brother.

Hey DNC

re: #182 DeafDog

"rug" material...that is funny

Photos of flags in the trash after Obama's speech

re: #29 really grumpy big dog Johnson

A democrat spokesman claimed that these flags were going to be packed up and returned to the distributor for "redistribution".

And they really expect us to believe that?

If the disgarded flags were found yesterday then that would be 8 whole days after the DNC ended. It takes over 8 days to pack up flags?

re: #179 lifeofthemind

On the Sunday after 9-11 NYC had a interfaith prayer service rally at Yankee Stadium. I was there with the Red Cross providing mass care, giving out water, programs and Teddy bears for the crowd and otherwise helping out. We started handing out American flags to the arriving public, who were largely families of the dead. Some busybody from the National headqarters, who looked and acted like she had stepped off the Hee Haw set, came by and ordered us to stop "since the Red Cross is neutral." I got ballistic and in her face, daring her to throw me out. The Boss boss for the Red Cross came by soon after, handed each of us a flag and then stood with the local volunteers and NYPD as we handed flags to all.

Good job.
Western Self-hate is a scary mental illness.

re: #177 MandyManners

We all know Willy Ayers' stance on the flag.

How come that picture wasn't behind Obama when he gave his acceptance speech?
a missed opportunity

re: #185 Occasional Reader

Nope. This just seems like bad tactics to me. I think it will be easily *and succesfully* spun around by the Dems as "the Republicans are pawing through our dumpsters rather than talking about real issues".

Respectfully disagree about the successfully part. Boy Scouts found these flags? Anti-war, Anti-American party threw them out? Why weren't they used?

re: #181 debutaunt

That (deleted, deleted deleted.)

re: #182 DeafDog

LOL

Joe is rug material

Only because he has a better pelt now that the plugs are done.

The pic of the flags with the black Hefty bags looks like they might have been going to some kind of storage. I've stored things in Hefty bags before. Of course, a Rubbermaid box would be better -- less chance of those very nice-looking flags getting damaged.

Did someone actually find them in the dumpster?

I don't want to speak the dem's line. But I have to agree this sounds like one of those non-stories that makes the Republicans look a little over-gleeful.

If my candidate's campaign got a bunch of free flags to use, and they found them in the trash but in perfect condition, then that's just good, economical recycling as far as I'm concerned.

I would never DEMAND that my trash stay in the trash if someone else could use it.

re: #177 MandyManners

We all know Willy Ayers' stance on the flag.

Obama's influences are to be swept under the DNC media rug.

re: #183 FrogMarch

Exactly. WHAT WERE THE FLAGS DOING IN THE TRASH?

It's quite simple really. They need to answer that question and that question alone.

/I'm sure Andrea Mitchell and the rest of the left-wing media will get to the bottom of it.

Yeah- right after Andrea gets on that George Obama story I tipped her off to.

re: #173 Occasional Reader

I *do* think there's a potential very interesting story about why those flags weren't handed out. With "indifference" being the primary suspected culprit.

That's why this story has legs - it makes sense.

tsk-tsk... all the fuss over a few little flags.... come on, this is America.... and, say, did you hear that Sarah Palin fires people and believes in God!

/msm off

re: #185 Occasional Reader

Nope. This just seems like bad tactics to me. I think it will be easily *and succesfully* spun around by the Dems as "the Republicans are pawing through our dumpsters rather than talking about real issues".

Not to mention, get ready for a barrage of photos and testimony of discarded flags from Republican events, accompanied by cries of "hypocrisy".

McCain should be hammering Obama on the frickkin' Ayers/Annenberg connection (which is still relatively unknown by non political junkies), not this.

Back to the fiscal side of the issue...

BHO, to his credit, has done an amazing job in collecting small donations via the internet.

If you are a struggling waitress who sent BHO $10 and you saw this waste, would you care?

Hey DNC

re: #203 Occasional Reader

Not to mention, get ready for a barrage of photos and testimony of discarded flags from Republican events, accompanied by cries of "hypocrisy".

McCain should be hammering Obama on the frickkin' Ayers/Annenberg connection (which is still relatively unknown by non political junkies), not this.

PLEASE let them challenge McCains patriotism ... PLEASE!

re: #177 MandyManners

We all know Willy Ayers' stance on the flag.

Yes, it's a WIDE stance....

re: #187 jcm

I would be soooo tempted to wipe that smug look off the jackasses face.

William Ayers is formally invited to meet me at a mixed martial arts gym, any time.

re: #203 Occasional Reader

Not to mention, get ready for a barrage of photos and testimony of discarded flags from Republican events, accompanied by cries of "hypocrisy".

McCain should be hammering Obama on the frickkin' Ayers/Annenberg connection (which is still relatively unknown by non political junkies), not this.

You're assuming Republicans are throwing away the flag after McCain rallies. I highly doubt this.

Though- I do agree we should go after 0bama's unsavory connections harder.

re: #177 MandyManners

what a useless POS this guy is. Why doesn't he just move to Haiti or somewhere.....

re: #151 Ojoe

Mr. Cognito, to many, this is not a trivial matter.

The flag deserves respect.

And in fact, if you have a flag that needs to be disposed of, you should give it to the American Legion or the Boy Scouts, or, IIRC, the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

Now if the DNC does not know this, I do question their patriotism.

The last time I bothered to check on matter the Donks seemed to exhibit a severe difficulty in being able to discern a difference between the American Legion, The VFW, the Boy Scouts and the Strum Abtilung of the NSDAP.

Hey DNC

Rove! You Magnificent Bastard!

re: #197 guzziguy

exactly!

OT:
Memo to Michael Kimmelman and the fact checkers at the NYT. You've got your heads in the sand.

Ruled by Hamas, penned in by Israel, grappling with daily shortages of food and supplies, Gazans need an escape. Culture turns out to be not just an afterthought but, many say, essential to surviving here. Especially for young Gazans, what’s on satellite television and the Internet, on tapes and compact discs, is a window to the world beyond the armored checkpoints, and a link to Arab society elsewhere and, crucially, to the West.

And in what is clearly an emerging struggle within Hamas between political pragmatists, trying to consolidate their new authority, and extremists who have begun pressing a more fundamentalist agenda, culture is a central battleground for control of Gaza. A release from confinement and hardship, even mundane television becomes freighted in this context.

As much as the Pakistan-Afghan frontier, this is a front line in the so-called global war on terror, in which anti-Western strains of Islam rub up against the social and cultural proclivities of many, perhaps most, Muslims. How the West fares, improbable as it might seem, may depend as much on whether people in this forsaken strip of land and elsewhere in this part of the world are watching “Zohan” and Dr. Phil, as on skirmishes in the mountains south of Kabul. What’s happening in a humble Gazan music store, it turns out, has repercussions across the region and beyond.

Gaza isn’t what you might imagine, culturally speaking. Like the West Bank, it occupies a special place in the Middle East: Gazans may loathe Israel but have worked there or spent years in Israeli prisons, and while they haven’t taken up Jewish culture, they’ve experienced Western life as many other Arabs haven’t. This has encouraged a sensibility that, until lately anyway, had a moderating effect on both religion and society.

Gaza is bordered by both Egypt and Israel, who have both closed the border because of incessant terrorist attacks, smuggling, and other related activities. And the closures are no one's fault except the Gazans themselves - and their terror masters of Hamas.

And so much for the moderating effects on religion and society as Hamas has reigned supreme in Gaza - precisely because they are militant Islamists and are anti-Jewish to the core.

"...calling into question our patriotism."

DO NOT CALL THEIR PATRIOTISM INTO QUESTION!

Democrats version of patriotism STEP ON IT to prove it

re: #159 Occasional Reader

My point is, if you're managing any sort of event, and wind up with tens of thousands of leftover ANYTHINGS, like it or not, it becomes.... well... a waste disposal issue. Sorry, there it it.

flags are different. they can't be relegated to the category of TRASH so easily.
they have more than a monetary value, which alone would be enough to warrant recycling. and as a symbol of our nation, there is something so wrong w/ dumping them in the garbage.
i really can't imagine conservatives doing that.

As a counterweight to all this flag desecration, here's some flag glorification.

Later.

Another Sambo diary at Dkos....
Did Palin really call Obama "Sambo?"

"So Sambo beat the bitch!"

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

....
Besides insulting Obama with a Step-N’-Fetch-It, "darkie musical" swipe, people who know her say she refers regularly to Alaska’s Aboriginal people as "Arctic Arabs" – how efficient, lumping two apparently undesirable groups into one ugly description – as well as the more colourful "mukluks" along with the totally unimaginative "f**king Eskimo’s," according to a number of Alaskans and Wasillians interviewed for this article.

But being openly racist is only the tip of the Palin iceberg. According to Alaskans interviewed for this article, she is also vindictive and mean. We’re talking Rove mean and Nixon vindictive.

No wonder the vast sea of white, cheering faces at the Republican Convention went wild for Sarah: They adore the type, it’s in their genetic code. So much for McCain’s pledge of a "high road" campaign; Palin is incapable of being part of one.

Get yer screencaps now before they delete it.

re: #117 Yankee Division Son

They were found like that. They were never used. It didn't even occur to them to call the local VFW so they might be used on Veterans graves, let alone use them at the next campaign event.

If that's the way they we're found, especially if they hadn't been used, it's unclear that they we're being "thrown out" based only on that picture.

/the Bonkeys may have a point here

re: #219 Occasional Reader

As a counterweight to all this flag desecration, here's some flag glorification.

Later.

Oh No You didn't!
/thanks

re: #216 Kyle_st

"...calling into question our patriotism."

DO NOT CALL THEIR PATRIOTISM INTO QUESTION!

The dems are so touchy about that patriotism thing.... I wonder why?

re: #216 Kyle_st

How can you call something into question when there is nothing there to question?

We have been adrift in a sea of empty, spiritless wind-tossed ocean for a damn long time. Perhaps it is changing and becoming one country under god, with liberty and justice for all under a government of the people, by the people and for the people?

re: #177 MandyManners

We all know Willy Ayers' stance on the flag.

It's not Ayers' fault. That kind of behaviour is just unavoidable when you wear a suit jacket with denim jeans.

re: #210 WindHorse

what a useless POS this guy is. Why doesn't he just move to Haiti or somewhere.....

Because he isn't actively attempting to destroy Haiti....

Re#220
Already gone.

re: #224 kuffar

Now that would be nice.

BBL

re: #219 Occasional Reader

As a counterweight to all this flag desecration, here's some flag glorification.

Later.

Pet peeve of mine....
d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(Flag Code)

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Gone !

KOCE TV out of Orange County CA has a fund raiser running. Couple days ago I saw Eric Burdon of the Animal sing House of the Rising Sun while dressed in a shirt emblazoned with Che Guevara's mug. A year or so ago when they ran the same show, I e-mailed everybody at the station and complained, you know... Che is a mass murderer, would you run the show if Burdon wore a shirt with the face of Stalin or Hitler? I got one e-mail back which said that the fund raising promotion was packaged and they couldn't edit that part out. I e-mailed back and said something like this. "So if Burdon was wearing a shirt with a picture of somebody clubbing a seal, you'd run the show unedited?" That money-raising promo has been running for a few years now, forget how long.

re: #213 kuffar

Rove! You Magnificent Bastard!

That's funny.

I had a discussion just last night with a paniced Obama supporter who was blaming Rove and his lies for the closeness of the race. (It was hard not to laugh, but politeness demanded that I listen seriously).

re: #212 Ojoe

Hey DNC

Here some more for you DNC and KOS

re: #223 FrogMarch

The dems are so touchy about that patriotism thing.... I wonder why?

Same reason they're touchy about _{the one's} experience. There isn't any.

re: #233 Desert Dog

Might be some of my relatives there

DNC favorite US Flag

re: #235 Ojoe

One of mine is, he died at Cold Harbor, fighting for the North

Only our fracken' Socialist Democrats could come up with as a self-serving and mis-leading statement condemning Republicans for recovering and "recycling" American flags. The party of no substance and stupidity at work!
/Change!

After 9/11 lots of people put flags on their cars. Unfortunately those plastic flags holders would break off after a few months. I walk for exercise and I've picked up a lot of those flags. When I'm driving and I see one on the road I turn around and pick it up. If I saw a couple of thousand flags headed for the dumpster my head would have exploded.

re: #220 Killgore Trout

They just cannot stay away from this - they must itch mightily to keep scratching the same spot over and over ...

re: #203 Occasional Reader

Not to mention, get ready for a barrage of photos and testimony of discarded flags from Republican events, accompanied by cries of "hypocrisy".

McCain should be hammering Obama on the frickkin' Ayers/Annenberg connection (which is still relatively unknown by non political junkies), not this.

Timing in a battle is an important factor. When you get hit you have to hit back harder. We're saving the bigs guns for last. Don't worry there is plenty of ammunition for day to day skirmishes.

Nittally Lions just scored again ... Nitally Lions 21, Oregon St. 0

re: #209 Sharmuta

You're assuming Republicans are throwing away the flag after McCain rallies. I highly doubt this.

Though- I do agree we should go after 0bama's unsavory connections harder.

My guess is that somebody is already digging up pictures of discarded flags from the RNC. There are bound to be some. There are clueless Wepublicans.

In a quantity-versus-quantity battle, some Southern General had it right -- "He who gits there fustus with the mostus wins".
(Actually the General said that in good english, but it's been 'translated down' by generations)

This just redefined "dirty campaigning". Redefines "smears".
When they (already are) accusing the McCain campaign of this, the correct response is "absolutely. take a look at those flags ... dirty. smeared. disrespected ... "

When I mentioned the "flags in the trash" issue to a co-worker the other day, via phone, she gasped. She normally is pretty blase, and she was shocked.

This is still a shocking thing to do to a great many of us silly Americans, Barry. No wonder y'all are trying to cover up now.

OT:
Weather alert for the NYC metro area minions.

Late Afternoon: Tropical storm conditions possible. Periods of rain and possibly a thunderstorm. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. High near 79. East wind 26 to 31 mph, with gusts as high as 39 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.

Tonight: Tropical storm conditions possible. Periods of rain and possibly a thunderstorm, mainly before midnight, then a slight chance of rain and thunderstorms after 3am. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. Low around 64. North wind 29 to 34 mph decreasing to between 16 and 21 mph. Winds could gust as high as 44 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between two and three inches possible.

We're already getting quite a bit of rain - at least an inch in the last hour alone, and more on the way.

i hate seeing those flags in the trash.

re: #242 Celtic Templar

omg, what MOron

re: #243 jwb7605

yes, but the flags are North Vietnamese, Soviet and Cuban with a Che picture....that will really make the Dems mad! They could have used those in Obama's offices around the country!

re: #243 jwb7605

You really think any republican flag garbage will amount to this?

re: #246 nyc redneck

i hate seeing those flags in the trash.

Hey there, I hate seeing the trash on the flag.

I am not sure if the paper or ribbon variety "flags" deserve the same respect as a full size "real" one.

In fact, purists will say that the flag should not be represented as a bandana, or wrapping paper, or such.

The variety in the trash from the DNC do not seem to merit "proper burial" by a boy scout troop or local VFWs.

Having said that, I think flag burners (and tramplers) should be shot.

re: #250 lifeofthemind

Hey there, I hate seeing the trash on the flag.

And I hate seeing my flag on trash - Glad Obama doesn't wear a pin.

For a Patriot, I think the flag that I waved at the historical convention I had just attended would be a wonderful keepsake.

For a Patriot.

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For a Patriot, I think the flag that I waved at the historical convention I had just attended would be a wonderful keepsake.

For a Patriot.

Hear!Hear!

Hey, when you throw bags full of American flags away and someone comes across them in the dumpster, expect to have your action called into question.

When you throw things away, expect dumpster diving. Are not a few Democrats are "free cyclers"

re: #252 Celtic Templar

And I hate seeing my flag on trash - Glad Obama doesn't wear a pin.

ding! well put.
Emotionally, I have now personally entered John F'n K territory again.
I did not think that could ever happen again.

re: #159 Occasional Reader

My point is, if you're managing any sort of event, and wind up with tens of thousands of leftover ANYTHINGS, like it or not, it becomes.... well... a waste disposal issue. Sorry, there it it.

If we were dealing with a perishible item - like a tray of tuna fish sandwiches - then you have a point. I would agree with you.

But this is not a perishible item. It is an asset. If this was 12000 cans of coca-cola, do you think they would have gotten the same treatment? No! They would have been put in storage somewhere till they think of right thing to do with them.

Now, do I think BHO would have tossed the flags? No. But the staff person who made the decision to toss them made a careless mistake. Like it or not, it's far to draw inferences on Obama based on his staff. They do not treat a flag with the same level of scrutiny that they would give a can of coke.

: sighs: Preview is my friend.
Quote by galloping granny and delete second 'are' in second sentence.

re: #245 lawhawk

OT:
Weather alert for the NYC metro area minions.

We're already getting quite a bit of rain - at least an inch in the last hour alone, and more on the way.

My sister just called. They got back last night from their summer sail up to Maine and back to Newport. Gorgeous until the last day, when they had to use radar, etc. to get back before Hanna and Ike. They made it and have the boat well tied up and may take it out if it gets too bad. She said when they turned the corner into the bay, there was one of those huge cruise ships sitting out in the middle of the bay taking shelter. Batten down the hatches!

Civil War vets with a Black Gentleman holding the Colors, a position of great honor.

re: #191 JammieWearingFool

Photos of flags in the trash after Obama's speech

so glad the Dems made such a big deal about eating healthy/ no fried food.
Hey wait- what's that in the DNC trash - pizza boxes?

hmmmmmm.

re: #236 Desert Dog

DNC favorite US Flag

Didn't Saddam Hussein have an American flag done in mosaic tile on the floor of one of his palaces?

re: #252 Celtic Templar

And I hate seeing my flag on trash - Glad Obama doesn't wear a pin.

Best lesson I ever did. Conjugated Respect before a class.
If you want to be respected you must first be respectful, when you are full of respect then you become respectable and will find yourself respected.

re: #249 Sharmuta

You really think any republican flag garbage will amount to this?

If they had brains at all..they would have labeled all those flags with sigs from delegates and sold them on ebay and gave the proceeds to the troops.
I'd love to have a flag from any convention in my den..It would be an honor.

If I may be the devil's advocate for a moment, let me remind you that the flags were defective. They only had fifty stars on them.