Is that like a Home Depot?

Hello?

re: #2 David IV of Georgia

Hello?

Shhh! I'm reading.

;)

Editor’s Notes: The secret war with Iran

Since Nov. 4, '79.

I just got the book "Secret war with Iran"

HuffPo reports that the McCain campaign is lying about the flags and that the DNC handled the flags appropriately.

But according to a senior official involved in organizing the Democratic convention, the McCain camp is simply lying about the flags.

"All of the flags at Invesco were picked up and put in bags and into storage, along with the unused flags and campaign signs. The flags were going to be donated, and the signs were going to be sent out to be used elsewhere," the official said, speaking anonymously since he was not authorized to talk to the press.

Fox News' Carl Cameron and Bonney Kapp reported that they had "been told" that "a vendor at Invesco Field found the flags, which were going to be thrown out, and turned them over to the McCain campaign."

Curious that no one is going on the record with that, instead opting for the anonymous quote. Nice.

Still, more important issues to deal with - like how to get further inside Obama's OODA loop. While his minions are trying to come up with the latest Palin smear, McCain needs to pop on energy or the economy.

re: #5 winston06

I just got the book "Secret war with Iran"

This is the book
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

LOL...I'm watching "Air Force One", but forgot about this part.
The VP is Glenn Close and she plays the part tough.

So what have you all been drinking tonight?

I had (2) Vodka's and OJ and 2 Corona's...and I'm not done yet!

Since it's a link thread here's a good one. OODA is Fighter Pilot speak for:

It goes like this: Observe. Orient. Decide. Act.

or thusly:

Observe. Dorkwit.
Orient. Flank.
Decide. Upset.
Act. Palin.

I'll chime in on Sarah as a creationist - there is a BIG difference between one's closely held beliefs and the desire as a public official to indoctrinate. I put her more in the first category based upon info available...

uhoh..the neighbors are here.

re: #9 Maximu§

So what have you all been drinking tonight?

I had (2) Vodka's and OJ and 2 Corona's...and I'm not done yet!

Redhook Late Harvest Ale

gotta go cya all later....I'm gonna get bombd toonight

re: #13 JCM

Redhook Late Harvest Ale

Your a good Man JCM, did I ever tell you that?

re: #6 lawhawk

HuffPo reports that the McCain campaign is lying about the flags and that the DNC handled the flags appropriately.

Curious that no one is going on the record with that, instead opting for the anonymous quote. Nice.

Still, more important issues to deal with - like how to get further inside Obama's OODA loop. While his minions are trying to come up with the latest Palin smear, McCain needs to pop on energy or the economy.

I've got some real valuable stuff out at the curb by my trash can. Hope nobody steals it.

re: #9 Maximu§

So what have you all been drinking tonight?

I had (2) Vodka's and OJ and 2 Corona's...and I'm not done yet!

Vodka AND OJ? Just chill the vodka in the freezer, add a Cayenne pepper and let it sit for a while and then knock back with some chilled caviar and creme freche. Nothing will matter after a few of those......

cya all later

re: #10 Metal Man

Since it's a link thread here's a good one. OODA is Fighter Pilot speak for:

That sounds like McCain's thinking alright. One way to win a dogfight is to goad your adversary into making a mistake and Palin's nomination has done just that.

re: #9 Maximu§ Glen Garioch Scotch.

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

That sounds like McCain's thinking alright. One way to win a dogfight is to goad your adversary into making a mistake and Palin's nomination has done just that.

He is a gambler that is for sure - he staked his candidacy on the surge and now Palin - but of course, wisdom comes to those who's mettle has been tested.

Via Drudge

"The Republican convention was the most-watched convention on television ever, beating a standard set by the Democrats a week earlier."

Overrate ’68 by Daniel Flynn, City Journal 26 August 2008

And Bill Ayers writes in his memoir, Fugitive Days, of Hayden’s altered persona when addressing closed audiences of radicals:

His voice took on an edge, somewhere between fanatical and giddy, as he described bold plans and playful pranks. But you folks—veterans of the movement and the streets—have a pivotal role to play in all of this, he continued, the color of his face deepening, his eyes once again blazing. He looked intently from person to person. He was the same articulate and thoughtful speaker as before, but these were words for only a few. This demonstration has the potential like nothing we’ve done before to expose the face of the enemy, to strip him naked, to force him to reveal himself as violent, brutal, totalitarian, and evil. It will be difficult—and dangerous—taunting the monster, stabbing him in his most exposed and vulnerable places, but it’s got to be done. And he paused. And you’re the ones to do it.

Wow. Tom Hayden sounds like a lunatic.

When the hell will it be '68 again?
I have a math final I need to retake, and a bunch of campus agitators I will again ignore.

Re-Create my okole!

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

That sounds like McCain's thinking alright. One way to win a dogfight is to goad your adversary into making a mistake and Palin's nomination has done just that.

"Never overextend your thrust. Once your head leaves your neck, it's over."

I feel an urge to photoshop coming on...

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

McCain seems to run his politics this way. Sometimes just picks the wrong targets but always fights to win.

TrooperGate - Wooten Interview CNN via Alaska Daily news

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/ Alaskan poltical blog people are looking at.

re: #15 Maximu§

Your a good Man JCM, did I ever tell you that?

Thank you sir!

Went to the fair yesterday. Had my boys meet some soldiers and say thank you.

After the media awarded Obama his coronation on the night of his speech, one would think this was over...I recall however a man with slumped over shoulders carrying his own suitcases in an airport. Not too far later he was the Republican nominee. He is not one to be underestimated.

re: #8 jorline

LOL...I'm watching "Air Force One", but forgot about this part.
The VP is Glenn Close and she plays the part tough.

Well, there you go.

From the secret war with Iran link:

A few weeks ago, the White House took the unusual step of issuing a specific denial of a report on Army Radio, picked up by the Post, which claimed that a Bush official recently told his Israeli counterparts that the president is planning to strike Iran's nuclear facilities before leaving office. Only this week, a newspaper in The Netherlands claimed that Dutch intelligence has abruptly halted an "extremely successful" ongoing operation to sabotage Iran's nuclear program because of an assessment that such an American strike is indeed just weeks away.

If only. But I could see Bush ordering a take out of Iran's military capabilites to enable Israel to get at Iran's nuclear program, or take it out ourselves if Obama is elected, almost anytime between the election and the end of this year. No more than 3 weeks tops to neuter Iran militarily.

nothing like the liberal media invigorating the Republican base, never fails every time.

re: #32 pegcity

nothing like the liberal media invigorating the Republican base, never fails every time.

I keep telling myself I'm not going to vote anymore, but the Democrats antics keep me voting Republican.

re: #30 MandyManners

Well, there you go.

Perhaps a premonition...fingers crossed.

re: #6 lawhawk

HuffPo reports that the McCain campaign is lying about the flags and that the DNC handled the flags appropriately.

Curious that no one is going on the record with that, instead opting for the anonymous quote. Nice.

Still, more important issues to deal with - like how to get further inside Obama's OODA loop. While his minions are trying to come up with the latest Palin smear, McCain needs to pop on energy or the economy.

It the RNC took the flags as the DNC stated, then they should file a police report and let the LEOs handle it. That would however boomerang big time if the facts are not EXACTLY as the DNC claims. Far easier (and safer) for them to handle it with innuendo and anonymous quotes.

re: #30 MandyManners

Well, there you go.

All these people seem to think that if McCain drops dead, Palin would have to figure it all out by herself.

/all she has to do is be able to read, ask questions, listen to discussions, and make intelligent decisions from an array of offered options, I trust her to do that way more than Obama

re: #25 esch

"Never overextend your thrust. Once your head leaves your neck, it's over."

I feel an urge to photoshop coming on...

Put Obama's face as the insignia on the wings of a MIG-19 and put an A-4 on its tail. That's all you need.

From the Melanie Phillips article..

The woman is a natural. Watch her performance last night here -- and you'll see why the left is in such a panic.

I was at a family party today and was subjected to some truly irrational anti-Palin nonsense about how all she did was read a well written speech. Ha. I pointed out to the person who said that for the last 8 years all we heard is that George W Bush is such a terrible speaker and now the GOP has a great speaker and all you can say is that it was a well written speech. The irrationality runs strong in this bunch.

Then I asked at what point in the Bush administration would you have done something different and where would that leave us right now. If war with Iraq was such a bad idea then what you you be doing right now seeing as Saddam would still be in power buying off UN officials and sending money to families of suicide bombers. No response.

And thats the point. The moonbats want to compare the Bush record against a Utopian vision, but not against an alternative reality had they been in charge. When you point that out to them, they got nuthin.

USF sets aside oasis for prayer - St. Petersburg Times

Garry Miller, president of the Campus Ministry Association, described the Serenity Room as a place where all students can come for quiet reflection and prayer, a space where they can "chill and have a moment."

"It's simple, it's quiet, it's away from all the busyness," Miller said. "It's just a come-as-you-are, no-reservations-necessary place."

Jennifer Hernandez, operations manager for the student center, expects that members of many of the university's religious-based student groups, from Christian to Baha'i, will make use of the room once they find out about it.

Why do I think that this probably won't happen? And if it does, the Muslim students will put a stop to it in short order? Oh yeah, because they have been known to take over regular, religiously neutral "prayer rooms" and throw people out; why would they let infidels come into crescent moon-shaped prayer rooms made specifically for Muslims?

re: #8 jorline

LOL...I'm watching "Air Force One", but forgot about this part.
The VP is Glenn Close and she plays the part tough.

Me too the POTUS in the movie is a MOH recipient, Helicopter Pilot and pretty much starts with this quote.

Never again will I allow our political self-interest to deter us from doing what we know to be morally right. Atrocity and terror are not political weapons. And to those who would use them, your day is over. We will never negotiate. We will no longer tolerate and we will no longer be afraid. It's your turn to be afraid.

Coincidence me thinks not:) Foreshadowing yes.

re: #38 mich-again

The family politics stuff sucks. My father in law told me he actually respected Fidel Castro. I must have given him a look because he tried to back peddle.

re: #31 realwest

From the secret war with Iran link:

If only. But I could see Bush ordering a take out of Iran's military capabilites to enable Israel to get at Iran's nuclear program, or take it out ourselves if Obama is elected, almost anytime between the election and the end of this year. No more than 3 weeks tops to neuter Iran militarily.

Excellent post RW. I could see Bush going out with a bang.

Sorry I've missed you today my friend. Sounds like you received rain, but all is well I hope. I'll be watching the gulf closely next week for Ike.

re: #39 gop_patriot

Why do I think that this probably won't happen?

Because it won't happen. As soon as any other Religious group tries to share that room with Muslims, it will be a hate crime.

re: #42 jorline

Excellent post RW. I could see Bush going out with a bang.

Sorry I've missed you today my friend. Sounds like you received rain, but all is well I hope. I'll be watching the gulf closely next week for Ike.

We've got months to act IMHO before Iran demonstrates something.

And that as they say is a whole new kettle of fish.

Regardless of Nov. I think GWB acts. Take care of business before BHO takes office, or takes some of the heat of JSM.

re: #40 Metal Man

Coincidence me thinks not:) Foreshadowing yes.

I agree MM. I've seen it countless times, but forgot about Glenn Close as the VP. Perfect timing.

OT -

My father recently traveled to Egypt and he said that the Egyptians are pissed off at our war on terror. We have interrupted their hashish routes and now they have to get crappy hash from Morocco instead of Afghanistan. One Egyptian man told my dad "The hash is so bad, my mother won't even smoke it." Good Muslims - they won't drink alcohol, but they sure will smash some hash in a hookah and go to town!

Hello, all Lizards!

Been out celebrating... today is the big 4-2! :)

As a lot of you know, I was born with a Congenital Heart Defect and they didn't give me much of a chance.... but I'm still here!

Truth be told, I noticed that heart was broken when I took it out of the box, and I really should have mailed it back while it was still under warranty. But dad-gummit, I lost the receipt!

Every day, I get out of bed and say "Today, I am going to feel like Superman!" And I usually do... sometimes I feel like getting out the big Red Cape and fighting crime, and other days I feel like FedEx just delivered a box full of Kryptonite! But remember, any day that no one ties a tag to your toe is a GOOD day!

I've spent most of today having fun, and now it is time for me to turn back into The Lizard Who Takes Care of his Heart and haul my tired butt to bed. It's been a GREAT day here, and I hope you can say the same!

Is to be satisfied.

re: #43 mich-again

Because it won't happen. As soon as any other Religious group tries to share that room with Muslims, it will be a hate crime.

What we need is a group that will stand up to such tactics. One that will react to attempts to throw them out with equal force. Alas, that is unlikely. Anyone resisting them in such a way would be attacked by the media and would suffer for it. I would not have had the will to do that when I was in college. I'd just avoid the situation. I know that's pathetic, but I know what I would have done.

re: #41 bellamags

The family politics stuff sucks. My father in law told me he actually respected Fidel Castro. I must have given him a look because he tried to back peddle.

Your family gatherings must be a trial. I recall you mentioning his comments before. Is he deliberately trying to goad you?

re: #41 bellamags

The family politics stuff sucks.

I have no problem calling someone an idiot when they say something that proves it. Family or not.

re: #48 MandyManners

Holy crap Mandy, I was just listening to the Shinedown version of that song. You know both bands are from my home town.

re: #31 realwest

From the secret war with Iran link:

If only. But I could see Bush ordering a take out of Iran's military capabilites to enable Israel to get at Iran's nuclear program, or take it out ourselves if Obama is elected, almost anytime between the election and the end of this year. No more than 3 weeks tops to neuter Iran militarily.

I would say the chances are better that Israel will get the "green light" to Go before January if BO wins the election so they can get it done before the anointed one takes office.

If McCain wins (and I think he has got it) then I think the Israelis will hold and let him handle it. Either way, I believe Natanz will be toast within the next six months.

Secret War With Iran added to Amazon shopping cart...
I am hoping somebody takes out their nukes before 1/20/09.

Why can't people on the left understand that the reason people on the right like Sarah Palin is she is a decent hard working normal american?

Why is that so odd.

re: #50 Syrah

I won't be dealing with his crap for long. My husband and I are getting a divorce.

re: #36 Killian Bundy

All these people seem to think that if McCain drops dead, Palin would have to figure it all out by herself.

/all she has to do is be able to read, ask questions, listen to discussions, and make intelligent decisions from an array of offered options, I trust her to do that way more than Obama

why indeed Killian (I dinged up upward, by the way)
that's why HER executive experience is important
and Obama's lack of it so glaring to downright troubling

re: #47 SteveC

Congrats. Hope you get many more.

You have to be thankful for every day, as they ARE numbered. I'm damn lucky to be here myself.

re: #46 bellamags

The hash is so bad, my mother won't even smoke it.

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re: #34 jorline
Hey jorline! How are you doing tonight, er, early this morning, East Coast time?!

re: #51 mich-again

He gets belligerent.

The article on "Secret War with Iran" is absolutely chilling.

The coming end of Bush's term may be the last practical chance to prevent Iran from getting nukes. . .a very scary thought.

re: #46 bellamags

OT -

My father recently traveled to Egypt and he said that the Egyptians are pissed off at our war on terror. We have interrupted their hashish routes and now they have to get crappy hash from Morocco instead of Afghanistan. One Egyptian man told my dad "The hash is so bad, my mother won't even smoke it." Good Muslims - they won't drink alcohol, but they sure will smash some hash in a hookah and go to town!

oh shit !
I remember Afghan black hash from the 70's
sometimes it came shaped as coffee beans
sometimes just as a black hunk
but the coffee beans were unique

re: #55 pegcity

Why can't people on the left understand that the reason people on the right like Sarah Palin is she is a decent hard working normal american?

Why is that so odd.

if we could figure that out, we could cure them.

re: #53 Outrider

i think the russians know this as well, thats why their rushing to build another reactor.

we'll see how well those top of the line s300's work, im betting like all russian garbage, not very well if at all.

Urgh... just got an "unresponsive script" error at Digg. Serves me right.

re: #56 bellamags

That is one way to solve the problem.

re: #63 Adrenalyn

LOL damn. thats funny.

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

I remember way back in the day when I was in College, I got in many arguments with the smelly losers in the Worker's Party who were handing out pamphlets. My favorite tactic was to ask for a pamphlet and then rip it up in front of them.

re: #67 Syrah

yes. I can't wait. I know that sounds terrible, but it has been a long time coming. My husband is a great guy, hes just not the right one for me.

re: #36 Killian Bundy
Hey Killian - not to mention that Palin has actual experience in, ya know, governing.
She's had to create two state budgets, figuring out what was needed and what was not and then figuring out how to pay for it all.
Not to mention that she had to do the same thing several times as a mayor.
I doubt if Obama even figures out his own Senate Office budget.

re: #44 JCM

We've got months to act IMHO before Iran demonstrates something.

And that as they say is a whole new kettle of fish.

Regardless of Nov. I think GWB acts. Take care of business before BHO takes office, or takes some of the heat of JSM.

Bush knows the Dems are coming after him after he leaves office...what's one more charge.
I don't think Bush wants to put Israel in this position and would rather the US take the heat. History will look favorably at the Bush administration.

re: #41 bellamags

My mother and my moonbat sister have not been on speaking terms for a couple of months. It ain't pretty.

On the other hand, Mama can be very amusing when she gets riled up.
Starts speaking Spanglish: "Mira, my leetle hijita! What you know, eh? I know the comunista when I see eet right een the nose!"

re: #69 mich-again

Has anyone ever seen someone from the 'Worker's Party' actually working?

re: #55 pegcity

Why can't people on the left understand that the reason people on the right like Sarah Palin is she is a decent hard working normal american?

Why is that so odd.

They got away with calling conservatives out of touch for too long. It's nice to see it bouncing back.

re: #56 bellamags

wow {bellamags}
sorry, even if it's a good move, it's difficult.
all the best to you.

At the store today. Check out 3 mags, US, People, Enquirer, Sarah Palin lies sex whatever bullshit they could dish stories. Some rag called OK, never heard of it, but had pic of Obama and the wife and kids in some pretty pose and headline "life with my kids". I'm not kidding now what the fuck is going on here?

re: #73 wolfie

I can get a good visual image of that. LOL.

I'd like to see this man meet with Sarah Palin.

Of course, if they do, I'll wonder if they discuss hair-care products when nobody else is around...

re: #71 realwest

Hey Killian - not to mention that Palin has actual experience in, ya know, governing.
She's had to create two state budgets, figuring out what was needed and what was not and then figuring out how to pay for it all.
Not to mention that she had to do the same thing several times as a mayor.
I doubt if Obama even figures out his own Senate Office budget.

He was a community organizer - what? -Rudy

re: #75 Gearhead

she just seems so pleasnt, must drive all those miserable angry liberals insane.

re: #74 esch

Has anyone ever seen someone from the 'Worker's Party' actually working?

Hey. How'd you losers get in the Workers Party if you don't have a job?

Ha. That one always stumps them.

re: #68 bellamags

LOL damn. thats funny.

hey, our generation, or should I say my generation, not knowing your age - invented the casual use of recreational drugs, and the use of sex as an ice-breaker

now, I worry about my kids getting uncurable diseases like Aids and Herpes

re: #72 jorline

Bush knows the Dems are coming after him after he leaves office...what's one more charge.
I don't think Bush wants to put Israel in this position and would rather the US take the heat. History will look favorably at the Bush administration.

That's my read, we can handle the heat better than Israel. We're as much a target as they are.

re: #38 mich-again
Hi ya Mich! Please also see my #71 above. And how is it that the Left Party and it's supporters ALWAYS forget that the Coalition (not just the U.S.) went into Iraq after a meeting of the Security Council of the UN, to enforce all of the sanctions their precious damn U.N. imposed on Iraq?

re: #82 mich-again

slacking is work, what do these flyers print themselves?

re: #76 nyc redneck

Thanks. We will both be happier. I know that sounds weird, but it is true.

re: #69 mich-again

I remember way back in the day when I was in College, I got in many arguments with the smelly losers in the Worker's Party who were handing out pamphlets. My favorite tactic was to ask for a pamphlet and then rip it up in front of them.

I had my share of arguments with them too. Lefty losers are easy enough to get to look foolish (because they are already fools). The Islamists are a different kettle of fish. They're not impressed by anything of ours save main force. The key to confronting them is possess both the force to stop them and the will to use it.

re: #81 pegcity

she just seems so pleasnt, must drive all those miserable angry liberals insane.

Well the kicker is she loves her country which violates [bylaw 3339] of the democrat playbook

re: #70 bellamags

My parents split up when I was very young. I never heard either of them say anything derogatory or mean about the other until years after I was an adult and out on my own. I am grateful for that. They explained their separation to me exactly as you just did.

re: #74 esch

Has anyone ever seen someone from the 'Worker's Party' actually working?

Careful, you'll get the 'community organizers' riled up.

re: #80 wright1

He was a community organizer - what? -Rudy

I'm reminded of Jeff Dunham's Walter carping about "business analyst":

"What do you do? Walk into a building and say, 'Yup, it's a business'?"

re: #83 Adrenalyn

Your generation invented it and mine expanded it.

re: #47 SteveC

Hello, all Lizards!

Been out celebrating... today is the big 4-2! :)

As a lot of you know, I was born with a Congenital Heart Defect and they didn't give me much of a chance.... but I'm still here!

Truth be told, I noticed that heart was broken when I took it out of the box, and I really should have mailed it back while it was still under warranty. But dad-gummit, I lost the receipt!

Every day, I get out of bed and say "Today, I am going to feel like Superman!" And I usually do... sometimes I feel like getting out the big Red Cape and fighting crime, and other days I feel like FedEx just delivered a box full of Kryptonite! But remember, any day that no one ties a tag to your toe is a GOOD day!

I've spent most of today having fun, and now it is time for me to turn back into The Lizard Who Takes Care of his Heart and haul my tired butt to bed. It's been a GREAT day here, and I hope you can say the same!

Happy Birthday, Steve...and many more! Congrats and take care of that heart.

How can it be a secret war when they spend 30 years screaming "Death to America" to massive public crowds, training and paying terrorists to kill Americans, invaded our embassy, and boast that they can and will build atomic bombs and wipe out an American ally?

It takes two to make a marriage but it only takes one to make a war.

This election has me all paranoid and such.

re: #44 JCM
Hey there!

Regardless of Nov. I think GWB acts. Take care of business before BHO takes office, or takes some of the heat of JSM.

Well you could be right about that; at least McCain could say he had inherited the War in Iran and didn't start it, but was damned sure gonna see it through.

re: #60 realwest

Hey jorline! How are you doing tonight, er, early this morning, East Coast time?!

I'm about to hit the sack...too late for me.

But at least he is always "present" for votes

anyone else get the feeling that if the left could get away with abolishing democracy and ruling by decree they would do it in a second?

Democracy seems to be an annoyance to liberals,

If Israel is going to do it, it will be done before Inauguration Day regardless of who wins the election. Why saddle a friend (McCain) with the onus of having to defend the action, even though it should not require explanation. It's easier if everyone can just blame Bush. It's enough that the next president will have to deal with the aftermath.

If the US does it, it won't be because Bush wants to spare Israel. I don't believe political leaders think that way. If the US does it, it will be because we can do it more thoroughly, comprehensively, and terminally than Israel can alone.

Increasingly though, regardless of who gets lead billing, I think this will be a joint operation.

re: #47 SteveC

Hey SteveC - Mazel Tov! I'm very glad you're still with us! Good for you and screw the doctors.

re: #95 lifeofthemind

How can it be a secret war when they spend 30 years screaming "Death to America" to massive public crowds, training and paying terrorists to kill Americans, invaded our embassy, and boast that they can and will build atomic bombs and wipe out an American ally?

It takes two to make a marriage but it only takes one to make a war.

The problem is that the left understands neither marriage nor war. Thus they push solutions that ruin our countries ability to do either right.

re: #63 Adrenalyn

oh shit !
I remember Afghan black hash from the 70's

in '68, Black Afgani was called "Primo" and it went for $75 an ounce in SoCal.........

very powerful stuff.

re: #90 Syrah

Thats cool. They cared enough about you to not subject you to that kind of garbage. Unfortunately, there are a lot of couples who don't abide by that rule.
We are both young and don't have any kids so it will be easy. Uncontested. I don't want to take anything from him and I truly want him to be happy with whatever he does with his life.

re: #81 pegcity

she just seems so pleasnt, must drive all those miserable angry liberals insane.

It's that spine of steel. The interference makes their tinfoil hats buzz.

re: #91 Gearhead

Careful, you'll get the 'community organizers' riled up.

That's ok. I'll kick them in the ass and make them come organize my house.

Well, except for that Barry guy. I don't want him around my kids.

re: #84 JCM

That's my read, we can handle the heat better than Israel. We're as much a target as they are.

Agree...we need to keep Israel safe. If they launch the raid all hell will break loose.

Time for bed...good night lizards.

re: #79 victor_yugo

Joe Biden would pay anything for that hair!

re: #43 mich-again

Because it won't happen. As soon as any other Religious group tries to share that room with Muslims, it will be a hate crime.

They aren't famous for sharing. Sharing and jihad just doesn't mix.

re: #74 esch

Has anyone ever seen someone from the 'Worker's Party' actually working?

They saw this

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

and thought they could chose.

re: #47 SteveC

But remember, any day that no one ties a tag to your toe is a GOOD day!

If you want to go, knowing you've pulled one last practical joke...

Tie a tag to your own toe, ahead of time.

You'll leave 'em scratching their heads, wondering just who got wheeled in under the sheet.

re: #64 nyc redneck

if we could figure that out, we could cure them.

Because they must have angst.
They have not been taught that you will have adversity in life, and it is how you deal with that adversity that makes you who you are.

Their life view is that adversity must be met and dealt with by someone else.

Another thing I have noticed, especially with the koskids is that they want what others have without making any effort to attain it.

They rail against the "rich", of which according to Obama I am one, and do not see all the hard word, long hours and sacrifice that it took to get here.

They see the house I have now, not the 3 bedroom single wide trailer I lived in and raised 3 kids in for 8 years, while starting our own business.

They see the nice car or jewelry, not the 15 hour days my husband works in order to make our business a success.

They see the successfull business, not the incredible chance we took at age 40 to start this business.

They want given to them what others have earned!

Because they see it as "not fair". And that is all they see.

re: #100 pegcity

anyone else get the feeling that if the left could get away with abolishing democracy and ruling by decree they would do it in a second?

Democracy seems to be an annoyance to liberals,

I remember reading President Wilson's speeches in college and realizing that the man hated the constitution. It was a bit of a shock.

re: #71 realwest

I doubt if Obama even figures out his own Senate Office budget.

Of course he doesn't. Worrying about how to actually pay for things is a concern for the little people. And the Obrahmas aint little people.

re: #104 IslandLibertarian

in '68, Black Afgani was called "Primo" and it went for $75 an ounce in SoCal.........

very powerful stuff.

And that was when US$75 was worth something.

It won't matter who (visibly) performs the attack.
Iran will revenge itself on both the US and Israel, specifics depending mostly on its own capabilities.

re: #65 pegcity
Uh, sorry to be dense, but why is Russia building another reactor - they still have several hundred very servicable nuke warheads and the missile capability to deliver them NOW.

re: #79 victor_yugo

I'd like to see this man meet with Sarah Palin.

Of course, if they do, I'll wonder if they discuss hair-care products when nobody else is around...

I think a better match for Governor Palin would be Baroness Thatcher!

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

I need a fucking new car and LCD TV.

i read on debka that the raid would be conducted with attack drones, makes sense to me, why risk a 89 million dollar plane and a 5 million dollar pilot when u can do it by remote control.

And then when the bomb load is dropped fly the damn thing into a barracks.

instant 9/11 karma

re: #111 Metal Man

to each according to his need

I prefer 'to esch according to his need'.

re: #74 esch
LOL! Only if you count demonstrating as "working"!

re: #104 IslandLibertarian

in '68, Black Afgani was called "Primo" and it went for $75 an ounce in SoCal.........

very powerful stuff.

an ounce ?
why you rich scoundrel (wink)
we had to pay by the gram
5 whole dollars
versus 3 for crappy Lebanese Blond
which was really pot pollen (I think)
sweet tasting but no THC of significance

while we're on this
you remember Mr. Natural ?
Window Pane ?
and the infamous..............
insert drumroll......

Purple Haze

goodnight lizards. gotta work in the am.

re: #114 Syrah

I remember reading President Wilson's speeches in college and realizing that the man hated the constitution. It was a bit of a shock.

u never had the liberal party ruling your country, and when i say ruling i mean it, they treated canada as their personal fiefdom. I think their still in shock they aren't in power anymore.

re: #114 Syrah

I remember reading President Wilson's speeches in college and realizing that the man hated the constitution. It was a bit of a shock.

Wilson also brought us the draft
and income taxes

not to mention a bloody beating on the gals protesting in (I think) 1917 for womens suffrage

re: #113 Typicalwhitey

They rail against the "rich", of which according to Obama I am one, and do not see all the hard word, long hours and sacrifice that it took to get here.

They want given to them what others have earned!

Because they see it as "not fair". And that is all they see.

Quote from novel by James Collins:
"In order to steal from the rich to give to the poor, you have to have rich."

But I guess they'll fix that as soon as possible. And then whom do you steal from?

re: #105 bellamags

Sorry you're having to go through that. Glad there are no kids involved.

Adding you and newjunkie_ky to the prayer list.

re: #125 bellamags

goodnight lizards. gotta work in the am.

good night !

sleep peacefully and safely

re: #122 esch

I prefer 'to esch according to his need'.

LOL
what abt. 'from esch according to his ability?'

re: #127 Adrenalyn

didn't he close down like 400 newspapers?

re: #126 pegcity

u never had the liberal party ruling your country, and when i say ruling i mean it, they treated canada as their personal fiefdom. I think their still in shock they aren't in power anymore.

Did you see the front page of the Mop & Pail yesterday? "The Man (Harper) versus the Brand (liberal party)". If Harper dissolves parliment and calls an election, I think the liberals will get trounced.

re: #131 nyc redneck

Um. My wife has that covered, thanks.

Rere: #97 realwest

Real,

How's the saga of the tooth, going?

re: #120 kansas

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

I need a fucking new car and LCD TV.

Oh-bama, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz....

re: #133 BlueCanuck

yup, they are in serious doodoo in Quebec, the Green Shaft is their election platform, talk about out of touch, sorry liberals we aren't all clamoring to spend more money on useless social programs so your girl friends can make 90 grand a year doing nothing.

I have a stupid question

Who is Caeser Chavez?

re: #89 wright1

Well the kicker is she loves her country which violates [bylaw 3339] of the democrat playbook

For Conservatives/Classic Liberals it's "country first."

For Leftists/Socialist Liberals it's "me first."

Conservatives have gratitude and thankfulness.

Leftists have bitterness and envy.

re: #129 Gearhead

that should have read newsjunkie_ky.

PIMF

re: #122 esch

Took me a minute to get that thought for a moment of esch as a word not a name. LOL

re: #126 pegcity

u never had the liberal party ruling your country, and when i say ruling i mean it, they treated canada as their personal fiefdom. I think their still in shock they aren't in power anymore.

Give the Democrats time. If they win all three houses this election, they could well make your liberal party look like armatures.

By the by, noticing your avatar, I found this today. You might find it amusing.

re: #100 pegcity

Democracy seems to be an annoyance to liberals,

Democracy is most certainly an annoyance to them.

Look at the coalition of special interest groups commonly referred to as the Democratic Party. A few intellectual elites with statist agenda surrounded by masses of people those elites consider dumb enough to herd into voting booths to pull the party lever and then completely forget about until the next election season.

re: #134 esch

Um. My wife has that covered, thanks.

Aigh, forgot the sarc tag, LOL.

Obama had the audacity (see below) to say today that Palin was just making stuff up - you know like his running mate! Hello Kettle?

TERRE HAUTE, Ind. — Barack Obama took his first direct swipe at Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin on Saturday, criticizing her for supporting congressional earmarks before opposing them.

“I know the governor of Alaska has been, you know, saying she is change,” Obama said at a town hall meeting here. “And that is great. She is a skillful politician. But when you [have] been taking all these earmarks when it is convenient and then suddenly you are the champion anti-earmark person.

“That is not change, come on,” Obama continued. “I mean, words mean something. You can’t just make stuff up. You can’t just make stuff up. We have a choice to make and the choice is clear.”

-News Max

re: #100 pegcity
Well "Democracy seems to be an annoyance to liberals" because it IS.
Doncha know that the elites of the Left Party know what's best for all of us - even if they have no effin' idea of how to operate, say, a farm, or an oil refinary, or a hardware store or................you get the idea.
They believe that all of us in "flyover" country should do what they say (not necessarily what they DO) because they are so superior to us intellectually.
I think a major reason why they are always stepping in shit is because they are too busy looking down their noses at us to watch where they're going!

re: #142 Syrah

Give the Democrats time. If they win all three houses this election, they could well make your liberal party look like armatures.

Well they are tools. :)

re: #132 pegcity

didn't he close down like 400 newspapers?

that would be very liberal of him
I would not doubt it
in other words

re: #74 esch

Has anyone ever seen someone from the 'Worker's Party' actually working?

Well, I did see one pimping a "Worker's Party" rag (tri-color print, which is not cheap) on a street corner once. I grabbed one out of curiosity, then saw that the price on this rather thin rag was $5. I laughed uproariously and handed it back to him. Oh, teh irony.

re: #108 jorline
Good night my friend - hope to see you tomorrow!
Sleep well!

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that the left understands neither marriage nor war. Thus they push solutions that ruin our countries ability to do either right.

Which explains why the government shipped the troops boxes full of marital aids and filled the inner cities with drugs and ammunition?

re: #138 Typicalwhitey

I have a stupid question

Who is Caeser Chavez?

he's the guy who has a holiday named after him in Liberalia
formerly known as "California"
referred to derisively as Mexifornia in internet jokes

re: #145 wright1

Psst. Hey, Obama. Keep reacting. The world knows you're not in control of the dialogue anymore.

re: #151 lifeofthemind

just like the UN sending boxes of condoms to Burma after the disaster, water nope, condoms yup.

Makes sense in the liberal mind.

ok gotta sign off
time for the cat's I.V. and meds

night all !

re: #147 BlueCanuck

Well they are tools. :)

DOH! (smacks head on the keyboard) 'Efing spell check!

Being severely dyslexic can be so . . . . AAAAARGH!

But yes. I agree. They are tools.

re: #127 Adrenalyn

Wilson also gave us the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and the utterly horrible 17th Amendment that changed Senate elections to popular vote. I have said quite often he was the worst President ever.

re: #152 Adrenalyn

Was he a community organizer?

re: #121 pegcity

i read on debka that the raid would be conducted with attack drones, makes sense to me, why risk a 89 million dollar plane and a 5 million dollar pilot when u can do it by remote control.

Indeed. I don't know much about armament, but I question whether a Predator could carry the sort of payload required for destroying large, underground, heavily reinforced buildings.

If anyone knows otherwise, please enlighten me.

Debka is often interesting, but hit or miss in the accuracy department.

re: #124 Adrenalyn

and the infamous..............
insert drumroll......

Purple Haze

How could I forget. I like the way Petty puts it.

And there's this classic:
"Do you wanna?"
"Do I wanna what?"
"Do you wanna do some doyouwanna?"
"Do I ever?"

An interesting theme in the feminist blogs. If the Obama misogny is left to stand against Hilary and now Palin then women across the country will have been set back in their efforts for political equity.

There is a tide of lefist people all of a sudden thinking women shouldn't hold high office if they have school age children.

**

If the LLL live by this instead of being the liars they usually are women are going to have a harder time in the Democratic party of the future as long as there is a competent male candidate competing.

re: #157 mich-again

sounds like he was more of a dictator than president, also didn't he do everything in his power to keep america out of world war 1 because he was some sort of isolationist nativist?

re: #145 wright1

Obama had the audacity (see below) to say today that Palin was just making stuff up - you know like his running mate! Hello Kettle?

TERRE HAUTE, Ind. — Barack Obama took his first direct swipe at Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin on Saturday, criticizing her for supporting congressional earmarks before opposing them.

“I know the governor of Alaska has been, you know, saying she is change,” Obama said at a town hall meeting here. “And that is great. She is a skillful politician. But when you [have] been taking all these earmarks when it is convenient and then suddenly you are the champion anti-earmark person.

“That is not change, come on,” Obama continued. “I mean, words mean something. You can’t just make stuff up. You can’t just make stuff up. We have a choice to make and the choice is clear.”

-News Max

i love it when he goes off the prompter.
such a disparity btw the well scripted stuff he reads and the dumb stuff he spouts. he is not a smart or articulate person at all.

re: #156 Syrah

On the plus side, you did spell armature correctly. heh heh heh

Time for a new pair of awesomeness.

re: #159 transient

i was thinking they could be rigged out kamikaze style and just use the damn plane as the bomb, at least it would make sense to take out their SAMs

re: #160 IslandLibertarian

oops.......forgot the Petty link.

re: #128 transient

Quote from novel by James Collins:
"In order to steal from the rich to give to the poor, you have to have rich."

But I guess they'll fix that as soon as possible. And then whom do you steal from?

They'll burn that bridge when they get there.

re: #151 lifeofthemind

Which explains why the government shipped the troops boxes full of marital aids and filled the inner cities with drugs and ammunition?

I didn't mean it like that. The left attacks our military and thus makes it harder for us to win wars and they promoted welfare schemes that undermined marriage in much of America.

re: #163 nyc redneck

no he seems to speak in ebonics quite often, just gibberish.

re: #158 Typicalwhitey

Was he a community organizer?

So, you have two applications on your desk, one guy is a war hero - the other guy is a...community organizer - what?

(I am sorry, I cannot get that part of Rudy's speech out of my head), lol

re: #138 Typicalwhitey

I have a stupid question

Who is Caeser Chavez?

A community organizer!
A Mexican American who valiantly strove to unionize field workers in California...blah,blah,blah.... and annoyed everyone else by convincing lefties not to buy lettuce.

re: #159 transient

Indeed. I don't know much about armament, but I question whether a Predator could carry the sort of payload required for destroying large, underground, heavily reinforced buildings.

If anyone knows otherwise, please enlighten me.

Debka is often interesting, but hit or miss in the accuracy department.

Predator is a light weight, a couple maybe 4 Hellfires max. It's bigger cousin the Reaper can haul 4 500lb JDAMs.

Darkstar, a big Boeing UAV, officially not in service can haul a huge payload.

re: #173 JCM

im pretty sure if reports are correct darkstar drones have been flying over iran for the last year.

re: #117 transient
Huh.

It won't matter who (visibly) performs the attack.
Iran will revenge itself on both the US and Israel, specifics depending mostly on its own capabilities.

in point of fact, there are a number of us who think an (undeclared) state of war has existed with Iran since 1979 when Iran tresspassed upon our internationally recognized soil (our embassy) and held our 54 people hostage for 444 days. Not to mention their arming and training Hezbollah for the attacks on the Marine Corps. barracks in Lebannon in 1983, and not to mention they're arming, training and occassionally going into Iraq to lead the "freedom fighters" to kill American Troops.
I really don't want to sound "hawkish" here, but if they have anything left with which to retailiate, bring it on; the net effect will be that Iran will simply cease to exist as a nation. Period.

re: #157 mich-again

Worse than Bushitlerburton? Na! Can't be. Bushitler killed like, 10 billion people!

/moonbat

re: #162 pegcity

Wilson was not an isolationist. He pushed for the League of Nations aka the modern day UN.

re: #171 wright1
lol

re: #177 mich-again

Wilson was not an isolationist. He pushed for the League of Nations aka the modern day UN.

A forerunner is more like it. Just another august body of elitists!

re: #167 IslandLibertarian

Very good. Still I think this one is more McCain.

re: #174 pegcity

im pretty sure if reports are correct darkstar drones have been flying over iran for the last year.

I would be surprised, it's too cool a toy not to use. Remember rumors of F-117 where pretty confirmed long before it was officially.

re: #138 Typicalwhitey

Cesar Chavez

There's no mention in the article about his father's death from a fertilizer accident. As they unloaded the containers, someone dropped it, the lid came off, and Librado Chavez inhaled the fumes. Days later, he was dead.

A pro Obama guy pissed at pro-obama celebrities. It's somewhat interesting:

re: #175 realwest

in point of fact, there are a number of us who think an (undeclared) state of war has existed with Iran since 1979

Count me in that number. There is a war whether we want to acknowledge it or not.

re: #181 JCM

I would be surprised, it's too cool a toy not to use. Remember rumors of F-117 where pretty confirmed long before it was officially.

Iran?

Anyone else feel like we are living in an episode of 24?

re: #179 Macker

Just another august body of elitists!

That is the UN.

If not for the "peace" efforts of the UN, Israel and the Palestinians would have had peace decades ago.

re: #184 mich-again

its too bad old peanut farmer didn't just declare war and help back up the Shah.

re: #168 SteveRogers

They'll burn that bridge when they get there.

There will always be "The Rich" the difference will be a change in perspective from the big house they have and you don't. To the food they have and you don't.

So this is the latest attempt to engender angst amongt the rank and file support of McCain/Palin - not working though. PS: This rubbish is bandied about at the Netscape / AOL site...This is why Netscape/AOL is hazardous to the cerebellum.

Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin attempted to quietly have her daughter Bristol get married before news of her pregnancy leaked out, the NATIONAL ENQUIRER is reporting exclusively in its new issue. But Bristol, 17, refused to go along with the plan and that sparked a mother-daughter showdown over the failed coverup.

re: #159 transient

Indeed. I don't know much about armament, but I question whether a Predator could carry the sort of payload required for destroying large, underground, heavily reinforced buildings.

If anyone knows otherwise, please enlighten me.

Debka is often interesting, but hit or miss in the accuracy department.

If Israel had 2-300 Sea Launched Cruise Missiles on converted merchant ships (the Arsenal Ship that America didn't build)then maybe they could try that approach and even that would have trouble penetrating. As for drones, No. They need earth penetrators to destroy deep bunkers. That means either:
1. ballistic missiles,
2. special 2,000+ lb bombs from long range bombers, or
3. commando raids.

re: #186 kuffar

no more like South Park.

Melanie Phillips makes a mistake in her claim that ID claims only that life was originally created by the action of some intelligence. ID, as propounded by the Discovery Institute, claims that the various later major branchings in the tree of life were also the work of some intelligence.

The funny thing is, in a very strange way, they're right. Distributed intelligence gets the answer without any one mind knowing how it all goes. There doesn't even have to be a mind anywhere. Anthills are a simple example of distributed intelligence.

Now, make a big stretch. The whole of life is a kind of distributed intelligence, finding answers to the central question that life asks: how to be fruitful and multiply?

But that's not what the DI and ID'ers in general have in mind.

re: #186 kuffar

Anyone else feel like we are living in an episode of 24?

Damnit! We don't have time for this!

Looks like Ike gonna go barrelling down onto the Gulf Coast - no surprise I suppose. Probably hit around New Orleans to Galveston. Sucks.

ok I have to copy a couple of posts from the koskids re: the "stolen" flags LOL

re: #159 transient

Indeed. I don't know much about armament, but I question whether a Predator could carry the sort of payload required for destroying large, underground, heavily reinforced buildings.

If anyone knows otherwise, please enlighten me.

Debka is often interesting, but hit or miss in the accuracy department.

I have been out of the loop professionally for years - to drop a precision deep penetrator requires a pilot and loads of support according to my last amateur reading.

Put Debka under "counterintelligence" - they are very good at what they do.

re: #188 pegcity

its too bad old peanut farmer didn't just declare war and help back up the Shah.

The peanut farmer had a job way above his pay grade.

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

I didn't mean it like that. The left attacks our military and thus makes it harder for us to win wars and they promoted welfare schemes that undermined marriage in much of America.

We are saying the same thing.

re: #198 mich-again

So say Obama wins and say China wants to test out his resolve and invade Taiwan, what would he do, im betting nothing.

re: #198 mich-again

The peanut farmer had a job way above his pay grade.

Ah yes, the "peter principle" - BHO is struggling with that as well

re: #189 Metal Man

There will always be "The Rich" the difference will be a change in perspective from the big house they have and you don't. To the food they have and you don't.

I agree. Those who wield the power in a commie/socialist government are the rich, and they prosecute anyone who complains about it.

re: #198 mich-again

The peanut farmer had a job way above his pay IQ grade.

Fixed.

re: #185 Gearhead

Iran?

IIRC the -117 is retired. But the B-2 is very capable. Add in the little Israel test run against the radars in Syria last Sept. It going to be interesting.

re: #200 pegcity

So say Obama wins and say China wants to test out his resolve and invade Taiwan, what would he do, im betting nothing.

They were one country any way....
///////BHO

re: #204 JCM

why dosent the USAF give the F117 to israel if their not gonna use them, oh i forget can't let the jews win a war, that wouldnt be fair.

re: #166 pegcity

i was thinking they could be rigged out kamikaze style and just use the damn plane as the bomb, at least it would make sense to take out their SAMs

Given the number of targets and the cost of the Predator, I'm guessing there has to be some prioritization, and Predator would be used for identifying/ hitting mobile targets, but as you say, might be good tactic to send Predators in first to degrade their anti-aircraft radar, thus making it safer for subsequent waves of bombers.

re: #173 JCM

Predator is a light weight, a couple maybe 4 Hellfires max. It's bigger cousin the Reaper can haul 4 500lb JDAMs.

"Grim."
Bring 'em on!

Evening guys, I have your deep penetrator right here!
/maybe not!

re: #188 pegcity

its too bad old peanut farmer didn't just declare war and help back up the Shah.

The old peanut farmer tried to shake down the Shah. The Shah told him to get fucked.

The old peanut farmer had the power of the US to bring to the pissing contest.

Shame on me (I voted for him) shame on us for electing him. The world we have today is courtesy of Jimmy Carter & co. brain dead fuck ups. Greed/Arrogance Inc.

re: #205 JCM

Look at the Norks Rebuilding their nukes, if Obama wins god help us all, i swear to god it would be the end of the world, he'd be finishing the job Jimmy Started.

This isn't 1979, we have Pakistan basically an ungovernable rouge nation with nukes, North Korea a god knows what the hell it is with nukes, Iran getting nukes, China , Russia.

What an insane time.

re: #191 lifeofthemind

If Israel had 2-300 Sea Launched Cruise Missiles on converted merchant ships (the Arsenal Ship that America didn't build)then maybe they could try that approach and even that would have trouble penetrating. As for drones, No. They need earth penetrators to destroy deep bunkers. That means either:
1. ballistic missiles,
2. special 2,000+ lb bombs from long range bombers, or
3. commando raids.

None of the above will work. A systematic destruction of Iran's nuclear weapons program, much of which figures to be well hidden and currently unkown to our intelligence, would require a lot of boots on the ground. Commando raids would fail because the places that are open knowledge are surely protected by large garrisons. Commandos can work wonders, but at some point, it becomes Buth Cassidy&Sundance Kid vs. the entire Bolivian Army. The U.S. got a taste of that in Mogadishu, and though the Iranian military may not be top drawer, it's better than Somali warlord militias.

Long range bombers might be able to deliver some munitions on target, but Iran apparently (according to the link Secret War with Iran, headlined in this very thread), has a quantity of modern air defense assets. There's also the likelihood that the underground bunkers are so deep that even bunker-buster bombs won't reach, or if they do, the damage will be contained by blast doors etc. underground.

With all this, the question of what is to be done has no easy answer.

re: #170 pegcity

no he seems to speak in ebonics quite often, just gibberish.

he takes the last syllable in a word and puts the emphasis on it, and sounds like a jive talkin' idiot.
VenezueLA , cuBA , irAN.
how did this fool get this far?

re: #206 pegcity

why dosent the USAF give the F117 to israel if their not gonna use them, oh i forget can't let the jews win a war, that wouldnt be fair.

-117 where insanely maintenance intensive. The Radar Absorbing Material (RAM) on the skin had to be virtually replace each mission.

re: #211 lostlakehiker

how about a different approach, take out the mullah's and dinner jacket, the high military command and their nuclear scientists.

re: #212 nyc redneck

Taaaaalibooon

re: #212 nyc redneck

he takes the last syllable in a word and puts the emphasis on it, and sounds like a jive talkin' idiot.
VenezueLA , cuBA , irAN.
how did this fool get this far?

He's had no opposition before now. This is his first time against a tough opponent.

Now is the time! (203+ / 0-)

As Paul Begala says, it is not how you strike back, it's how you strike first!

Now is the time. In my opinion Barack Obama himself should - with extensive TV coverage - march into the Denver Police Department to file a report and a criminal complaint of theft. He should allege that the McCain campaign or otherwise persons unknown stole his American flags, desecrated them, called them garbage, and tried to use them for campaign purposes. He should allege that these flags were carefully bundled for continued use at other events, and that theft of items from one campaign to another is a new low and demonstrates that the McCain campaign is bankrupt of ideas for the nation and will not shy away from criminal activity and lies."
The police report should then be distributed to the media. Put the onus on the other side. Show some guts for a change!

This needs to be done because if Obama does not do this, they will haul the bags of flags onto a stage - again, with TV coverage - and declare that they are "rescuing" American flags from being desecrated, and this will not be good for the Obama campaign.

OMG this is too frikken funny!

re: #206 pegcity

In the end what the Arabs see as unfair is that those damm Jews don't just sit and wait to be given weapons. They took our old Sherman tanks and made them better (probably better examples). Don't count out the Israelis in this they might just already have what they need but need to play as they don't for the surprise factor.

I'm gonna go watch the speeches.

l8r all

re: #204 JCM

IIRC the -117 is retired. But the B-2 is very capable. Add in the little Israel test run against the radars in Syria last Sept. It going to be interesting.

I believe you're right. I was thinking of the wrong aircraft re: the Darkstar. I would certainly feel better if a few are in service over Iran.

re: #175 realwest

in point of fact, there are a number of us who think an (undeclared) state of war has existed with Iran since 1979 when Iran tresspassed upon our internationally recognized soil (our embassy) and

Want to critique this common misconception. Under the Vienna Conventions for the Protection of Diplomatic Personnel Embassies and Consulates, like registered diplomats, have a special status wherein the foreign powers have immunity from the laws of the host nation. That does not make the Embassy US soil. For example if a woman gives birth in the US embassy in Wakistan the child is not a US citizen.

e-mailed Obama camapign (16+ / 0-)
and the DNC

They must think they are nuts!

re: #197 Bobibutu
Hey my friend

Put Debka under "counterintelligence" - they are very good at what they do.

just add "sometimes they are very good at what they do, probably less than 20% of the time, and I'd agree with you. I've been studying Debka for years because of their alleged ties to Isralei
Intelligence and all I can say is I sure hope Israeli intelligence is a whole lot better than Debka.

re: #217 Typicalwhitey

who got flags on my garbage?

Flags make liberals ill, i know i used to have a jacket with a USA flag on it, got so many nasty comments.

I personally think its the coolest looking flag on earth.

The AF began a program 18 months ago to design and build large bomb shackles capable of like 30 tons to support heavy penetrators in the B-2 stealth bomber. Iran can bluster and talk BS all she wants, but the facts are the US can shut down Iran whenever we get the balls.
/McCain is not another Bush!

re: #209 Bobibutu

Welcome to our side. When was the transition?

ABSOLUTELY! (68+ / 0-)

And do it on Monday morning, so its in the afternoon news cycle, and will be repeated throughout the week.

Imagine these chyrons on CNN, MSNBC, and the networks:

GOP Lied About Stolen Democratic Party Flags

followed by:

Obama campaign files theft charges against GOP

followed by:

McCain Campaign Aide Resigns Over Stolen Flags

followed by:

McCain Apologizes For Stolen Flags

followed by:

Obama Leads McCain In Polls By 8%

followed by:

Obama Wins Presidential Election - Experts Agree 'Stolen Flags' Hurt McCain's Credibility

I CANNOT believe they think a stunt like that would help Obama!

Bwahahahahaahaaaa!

re: #210 pegcity

Look at the Norks Rebuilding their nukes, if Obama wins god help us all, i swear to god it would be the end of the world, he'd be finishing the job Jimmy Started.

This isn't 1979, we have Pakistan basically an ungovernable rouge nation with nukes, North Korea a god knows what the hell it is with nukes, Iran getting nukes, China , Russia.

What an insane time.

Yes - all building to a crescendo note or a very stressful time al la "duck and cover drills"

re: #101 transient

If Israel is going to do it, it will be done before Inauguration Day regardless of who wins the election. Why saddle a friend (McCain) with the onus of having to defend the action, even though it should not require explanation. It's easier if everyone can just blame Bush. It's enough that the next president will have to deal with the aftermath.

If the US does it, it won't be because Bush wants to spare Israel. I don't believe political leaders think that way. If the US does it, it will be because we can do it more thoroughly, comprehensively, and terminally than Israel can alone.

Increasingly though, regardless of who gets lead billing, I think this will be a joint operation.

Remember, the US is the "Great Satan", while Israel is only the "Little Satan". The US is also a target for Iranian nukes, although they'd have to be delivered via container ship or something, not by missile.

re: #175 realwest

I really don't want to sound "hawkish" here, but if they have anything left with which to retailiate, bring it on; the net effect will be that Iran will simply cease to exist as a nation. Period.

Their most conventional retaliation would be missile attacks on Israel from Lebanon (with increasing capability from Gaza), possibly missile attacks on allied positions in Iraq, but Iran is a terrorist nation and much of their retaliation will not be conventional. They are already evaluating extensive kidnappings of Israelis overseas and might do similar things to Americans.

These sorts of things, however hostile, are unlikely to provoke obliteration of the Iranian nation.

Evening Real, sorry I missed you on Thursday night. A great and uplifting evening in all respects.

re: #225 loflyer

i bet Iran could be shut down without dropping bombs, who knows what a massive information attack would do.

Thats what would scare me if i were Iran and Syria, what good is a SAM if your power stations are knocked offline by zombie bots.

re: #223 realwest

Hey my friend

just add "sometimes they are very good at what they do, probably less than 20% of the time, and I'd agree with you. I've been studying Debka for years because of their alleged ties to Isralei
Intelligence and all I can say is I sure hope Israeli intelligence is a whole lot better than Debka.

RW - C-O-U-N-T-E-R- - I-N-T-E-L-L-I-G-E-N-C-E.

;-)

re: #159 transient
Right now we don't have drones of any type that could carry the weapons needed to get to the underground bunkers and destroy Iran's centerfuges and other scientific material, but we really don't have to do that; all we have to do is blow up enough that no one can get in..........or out.
And when they try to re-open the tunnels, close 'em up again.
But I still think you'd need WAY more armament than any of our current drones carry for that. A few Tomahawk missles OTOH, yes, we could do it all.

re: #220 Gearhead

I believe you're right. I was thinking of the wrong aircraft re: the Darkstar. I would certainly feel better if a few are in service over Iran.

The DarkStar was an unmanned, high-altitude recon craft. Both prototypes crashed; the project was eventually cancelled.

If they're still using SGI workstations, I have some software running in the ground stations for Global Hawk, and it would have been used for Dark Star. This is image display stuff, not control.

Aren't we developing a massive ordinance penetrator type? That could probably do it. About like a British Tallboy isn't it?

re: #153 Gearhead

Psst. Hey, Obama. Keep reacting. The world knows you're not in control of the dialogue anymore.

The more Obama attacks Palin, the better. Those attacks drag him down and lift her up.

She's got more experience and more substance.

So the more attention Obama shines on her, the better, as comparisons are inevitable, and NONE of them favor Obama.

re: #232 pegcity

i bet Iran could be shut down without dropping bombs, who knows what a massive information attack would do.

Thats what would scare me if i were Iran and Syria, what good is a SAM if your power stations are knocked offline by zombie bots.

I disagree, cyber attacks are good for temporary disruption. Making large holes in infrastructure and nuclear facilities is another matter. However the nuclear centrifuge cascade is a different item altogether, and a cyber attack could easily destroy the entire cascade.

re: #225 loflyer

The AF began a program 18 months ago to design and build large bomb shackles capable of like 30 tons to support heavy penetrators in the B-2 stealth bomber. Iran can bluster and talk BS all she wants, but the facts are the US can shut down Iran whenever we get the balls.
/McCain is not another Bush!

We've been working on super penetrating bombs. Add in the small nuke, kt range or less and some serious deep bunker busting is an option.

The small nuke is a sticky wicket, but if it goes off deep and never has significant release into the atmosphere it may be doable from a political stand point.

re: #236 kuffar

i wish congress didn't kill the tactical nuclear bunker buster.

re: #236 kuffar

Aren't we developing a massive ordinance penetrator type? That could probably do it. About like a British Tallboy isn't it?

Absolutely.

re: #173 JCM

Predator is a light weight, a couple maybe 4 Hellfires max. It's bigger cousin the Reaper can haul 4 500lb JDAMs.

Darkstar, a big Boeing UAV, officially not in service can haul a huge payload.

A talking bomb?

Darkstar. LOL. Whoever named that thing must have been a 70's scifi geek.

re: #226 Sparkizzy

Welcome to our side. When was the transition?

Actually I was always a conservative - got seduced by Carter (I am Navy Amphib).

And I do have compassion.

Mixed up till Reagan.

Never again!

re: #239 JCM

We've been working on super penetrating bombs. Add in the small nuke, kt range or less and some serious deep bunker busting is an option.

The small nuke is a sticky wicket, but if it goes off deep and never has significant release into the atmosphere it may be doable from a political stand point.

From what I understand, explosive technology has increased to the point where a 30 ton deep penetrator will do the trick with no nuclear components. /Politically a nuke is deep do-do.

re: #241 JCM

Absolutely.

We plow deep while others sleep.

;-)

re: #243 Bobibutu

Actually I was always a conservative - got seduced by Carter (I am Navy Amphib).

And I do have compassion.

Mixed up till Reagan.

Never again!

Thank you for your service.

re: #217 Typicalwhitey
I expected this as I started reading:

Now is the time. In my opinion Barack Obama himself should - with extensive TV coverage - march into the Denver Police Department to file a report and a criminal complaint of theft. He should allege that the McCain campaign or otherwise persons unknown stole his American flagsThunder , desecrated them my lock on the MSM, called them garbage , and tried to use them for campaign purposes. He should allege that these flags were My image was carefully bundled for continued use at other events, and that theft of items from one campaign to another is a new low and demonstrates that the McCain campaign is bankrupt of ideas for the nation and will not shy away from criminal activity and lies."
The police report should then be distributed to the media. Put the onus on the other side. Show some guts for a change!

re: #242 Colonel Panik

A talking bomb?

Darkstar. LOL. Whoever named that thing must have been a 70's scifi geek.

Engineers are geeks.

re: #235 Kosh's Shadow

The DarkStar was an unmanned, high-altitude recon craft. Both prototypes crashed; the project was eventually cancelled.

If they're still using SGI workstations, I have some software running in the ground stations for Global Hawk, and it would have been used for Dark Star. This is image display stuff, not control.

Wow. You are in an interesting line of work.

re: #223 realwest

Hey my friend

just add "sometimes they are very good at what they do, probably less than 20% of the time, and I'd agree with you. I've been studying Debka for years because of their alleged ties to Isralei
Intelligence and all I can say is I sure hope Israeli intelligence is a whole lot better than Debka.

I see Debka mainly as an amusing propaganda arm of Israeli intelligence.

re: #230 transient

Their most conventional retaliation would be missile attacks on Israel from Lebanon (with increasing capability from Gaza), possibly missile attacks on allied positions in Iraq, but Iran is a terrorist nation and much of their retaliation will not be conventional. They are already evaluating extensive kidnappings of Israelis overseas and might do similar things to Americans.

These sorts of things, however hostile, are unlikely to provoke obliteration of the Iranian nation.

If attacked, Iran would be expected to use its proxy Hizb'Allah in a series of terrorist attacks against American and Israeli interests all over the globe (potentially even within the USA).

We're talking kidnappings, car bombs, assassinations, that sort of thing.

How effective it would be remains to be seen, but none of these things would really undermine an American or Israeli (or joint) attack.

re: #246 Sparkizzy

Thank you for your service.

You are frikkin' welcome - best experience in my life!

re: #211 lostlakehiker
With all due respect,

There's also the likelihood that the underground bunkers are so deep that even bunker-buster bombs won't reach, or if they do, the damage will be contained by blast doors etc. underground.

is not necessary. See my #234. All we have to do is make sure Iran can't get into those tunnels or out of them; and I think our satellite imagery going back for a few years or so, has enabled us to determine where all the tunnels are located, though the Irans, if they were smart, built lots of phony tunnels as well. SO we destroy ALL THE TUNNELS we know about and watch what Iran tries to dig down to, then hit 'em with the so called "Super Bunker Buster Bomb".
End of game, end of war, end of Iraq as any kind of military power (cause we'd have to take out their Command and Control, Anti-Aircraft missile and gun defenses, "navy" and Air Force, drop a few hundered 500 pound bombs on the vaunted Revolutionary Guard and hell, even Kuwaitt could take Iran militarily).

re: #247 Metal Man

I am laughing my ass off at the meltdown over there about these flags.
Do they not realize what a laughingstock Obama would be if he filed theft charges and the guy who found them by the dumpster told, on national tv, what had happened?

This would be a helmet in the tank moment for him.

re: #214 pegcity

how about a different approach, take out the mullah's and dinner jacket, the high military command and their nuclear scientists.

Check the article, the Secret War with Iran, linked at the top. According to the book, the Israelis and/or the US has been operating for years and has killed personnel involved in Iran's nuclear project, and sabotaged some of the parts. It's slowed down the project, but not stopped it.

(Aside: How is it possible that one government agency was actively targeting a project it knew was active, while another issues a report stating the project stopped in 2003? ...Nevermind....)

Re: assassinations: never as easy as it sounds when you are targeting paranoid types who know they are targets. Otherwise we, or the Israelis, would have killed Saddam Hussein on the first day of the war if not long before. You'd have to kill a lot of people to have a good chance of eliminating the Iranian regime (and if you succeeded, there's currently nothing to take over).

re: #237 looking closely

The more Obama attacks Palin, the better. Those attacks drag him down and lift her up.

She's got more experience and more substance.

So the more attention Obama shines on her, the better, as comparisons are inevitable, and NONE of them favor Obama.

Eggs-actly.