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Obama Suddenly Remembers: He Almost Joined the Military

Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:57:57 am PDT

He’s never mentioned it before, not even in two autobiographies, but Barack Obama has suddenly remembered that he considered joining the military.

Obama disclosed that he had once considered serving in the military.

“You know, I actually did,” Obama said. “I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii. And I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there.

“And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren’t engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue.”

UPDATE at 9/7/08 9:12:26 am:

Just one problem with Obama’s little story.

Registration for selective service was not reinstated until 1980.

On March 25, 1975, Pres. Gerald Ford signed Proclamation 4360, Terminating Registration Procedures Under Military Selective Service Act, eliminating the registration requirement for all 18-25 year old male citizens. Then on July 2, 1980, President Jimmy Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18-26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960. Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration. The first registrations after Proclamation 4771 took place on Monday, July 21, 1980, for those men born in January, February and March 1960 at U.S. Post Offices.

(Hat tip: Jammie.)

UPDATE at 9/7/08 10:33:33 am:

Several readers have emailed to point out that when Selective Service was reinstated in 1980, it was retroactive, so that Obama would have been required to register at that time. But the fact remains that Obama said he was required to register “when he graduated,” and that’s simply not true.

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1 rasachema  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 8:59:38am

didnt barry say he chose Biden for his "straight talk" and didnt Biden say he's ready to "rumble"? what r they whinning now? what happened?

2 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 8:59:43am

Oh really.......

3 pingjockey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:00:14am

Lying Bastard!

4 kcladderman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:00:47am

We weren’t engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue.”

That is the time men like Obama do consider joining. So I guess he is saying if the war in Vietnam had still been going on he would have enlisted even before getting drafted?

5 jamgarr  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:00:47am

George didn't seem too convinced. Neither was I.

6 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:00:49am

How many Army bases were in Hawaii at the time?

7 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:00:52am

Major Obama!

8 Padre  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:00:53am

Isn't Hawaii mostly Navy? Off to check how much of a presence Army has there.

In other news, Zogby has McCain/Palin up, woo hoo!

9 pingjockey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:00:54am

BBIAB Chores to do before kick off!

10 UberInfidel67  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:01:26am

What a crock of shit. How convenient. Sorry ObiWannaBePrez, you still ain't getting my vote.

11 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:01:31am

And, why did he say "Army, military"?

12 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:01:42am

Just one problem. Selective service wasn't reinstated until 1980.

Oops.

13 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:01:59am

He didn't specify which army.

14 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:02:32am

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

Just one problem. Selective service wasn't reinstated until 1980.

Oops.

Hahahaha nice work

15 rancher  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:02:45am

He didn't join because there was no war on?

16 jas  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:02:57am

Most of the military people I know have prime BS detectors. He's arrogant enough to believe this would pass the smell test, isn't he?

17 2blue4u  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:03:03am

Probably he thought about running for mayor also...

18 Albemarle  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:03:14am

Liberals always have BETTER intentions , but no results .
Look for this sign of Republican victory . When you see Sarah's hair style all around , victory is comming .

19 BeyondBrooklyn  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:03:17am

Thanks, Barack, for helping me start this beautiful day with a hearty round of laughter.

20 Dustyvet  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:03:40am

re: #6 MandyManners

How many Army bases were in Hawaii at the time?

Army Posts

* Fort Shafter - Honolulu
* Schofield Barracks - west of Wahiawa
* Tripler Medical Center - Honolulu

21 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:03:46am
The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren’t engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue

Ah, so Barry declined because he wouldn't see combat. I get it. You are one serious badass, Barry.

22 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:03:51am

He almost wore a flag pin

23 sadhu  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:03:53am

Colonel Mustard

24 Cicero05  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:04:04am

In dating and politics, desperation is the ultimate turn-off.

25 rasachema  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:04:37am

re: #24 Cicero05

LOL! so true, so true.

26 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:04:40am

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

Just one problem. Selective service wasn't reinstated until 1980.

Oops.

Your scurrilous attacks aren't helping Michelle's children, you racist!

27 jamgarr  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:04:41am

re: #23 sadhu

Colonel Mustard

In the collective with a gaffe.

28 Bill Amos  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:04:49am

Which Military did he almost join the Indonesian army ?

29 Dustyvet  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:05:03am

Air Force Bases

* Hickam Air Force Base - west of Honolulu

Army Posts

* Fort Shafter - Honolulu
* Schofield Barracks - west of Wahiawa
* Tripler Medical Center - Honolulu

Coast Guard Bases

* USCG Air Station Barbers Point - Kapolei
* USCG Sector Honolulu

Marine Bases

* Hawaii Marine Corps Base - northeast of Honolulu

Navy Bases

* Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard - west of Honolulu
* Pearl Harbor Naval Station - northwest of Honolulu

30 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:05:31am

re: #20 Dustyvet

Army Posts

* Fort Shafter - Honolulu
* Schofield Barracks - west of Wahiawa
* Tripler Medical Center - Honolulu

Were there more back in 1979?

31 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:05:52am

Ah, but if he has Muslim faith, he is already in an army.

32 Glaucon  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:05:58am

Obama:

His high school mentor a communist and child molester;

his spiritual mentor a racist and America-hater;

his political mentor an unrepentant domestic terrorist;

his financial benefactor a slumlord and convicted felon.

33 laZardo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:06:03am

Gonna head to bed. G'night!

34 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:06:14am

Hmm, John McCain thought about taking a pass and coming home after he was first captured.

35 jamgarr  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:06:34am

re: #32 Glaucon

Obama:

His high school mentor a communist and child molester;

his spiritual mentor a racist and America-hater;

his political mentor an unrepentant domestic terrorist;

his financial benefactor a slumlord and convicted felon.


And your point is?

36 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:06:45am

re: #11 MandyManners

And, why did he say "Army, military"?

"Oh, you know... those dumb hicks with guns. That's what I meant. I really respect those guys."

37 american jewess in jerusalem  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:06:48am

From his answer, it sounds like the interviewer asked him point blank, "Did you ever think of joining the military?" If that is the case, then how would you expect him to answer IF he did, in fact, consider it?

I suspect he NEVER considered it, but that's something we can't know for certain. If, on the other hand, he introduced this topic of conversation just so he could plant a bogus answer, then that would be . . . typical Barry.

I guess he must be feeling a little small in the shadow of McCain's heroism.

38 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:06:54am

re: #15 rancher

He didn't join because there was no war on?

Why do I have a feeling he'd be a Kenyan politician now if there had been a war in which the U.S. was engaged when he turned 18?

39 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:07:42am

I almost was an astronaut.

40 transient  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:07:43am

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

Just one problem. Selective service wasn't reinstated until 1980.

If he graduated high school in '79, he would have had to register for Selective Service when it started up in '80. Not immediately upon graduating high school, but certainly when he was in college.

41 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:07:43am

Him and Hillary, couple of Navy Seals for sure.

Well look, I'll cut him a little slack on this, I mean, I "considered" joining the military a few years earlier, the last year or so we were fighting in Viet Nam. I could volunteer to go be a grunt. I could enlist and choose my assignment developing weapons in a lab, serve my 20, retire at 50 to a small lakeside cottage. But I didn't do any such things.

42 jemima  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:07:54am

This effete wussy couldn't go on a march with a 50 lb backpack or hold a rifle up for more than 30 seconds without his arms getting tired. What a freaking liar.

Metrosexuals unite! You have nothing to lose but your man parts.

43 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:01am

re: #20 Dustyvet

Army Posts

* Fort Shafter - Honolulu
* Schofield Barracks - west of Wahiawa
* Tripler Medical Center - Honolulu


Bellows AFB ..Had lunch there once in 91.. best food ever..And it's on the beach and we played out there with some friends boogieboarding..
we drove by Schofield army base but have never been on it.

44 rancher  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:09am

re: #23 sadhu

Colonel Mustard

Colonel Klink.

45 mahatma coat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:11am

I smell desperation

46 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:14am

I almost was a rock star.

47 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:24am

I have a relative who does this exact thing all the time: Tries to accrue credit for something he didn't actually do by announcing he almost did it.

"I thought about throwing you a surprise party for your birthday -- but I knew you were too busy."

"I meant to return that book you loaned me; but I wanted to re-read it one more time."

Etc.

Needless to say, he's my least favorite relative. Everybody's least favorite relative. It is a loathesome personality trait. That, apparently, Obama shares.

48 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:26am

re: #36 Occasional Reader

"Oh, you know... those dumb hicks with guns. That's what I meant. I really respect those guys."

He ain't worthy to spit-shine their boots.

49 CapeCoddah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:30am

Good Morning everyone!
All I have to say about this is Yeah, Right. Nice try, Barry. Not buying it for a single nano-second. Does he really think we are all that stupid?

50 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:31am

re: #15 rancher

He didn't join because there was no war on?

Well if I recall correctly the Soviet Army really wasn't voluntary.

I did join the Army and I still mentally kick myself from time to time for not making a career of it.

51 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:42am

re: #21 Occasional Reader
and
re: #26 Occasional Reader

Yup, Lord knows Obama in combat gear would certainly set my knees to trembling.
But as for the draft, I mean, c'mon be fair, he said he considered joining - ya know volunteering for the Army/military, whatever it was he thought of joining!

52 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:54am

I almost invented fire.

53 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:57am

I thought about being a Navy Seal and carrying out a single-handed rescue of the hostages in Iran. I even played that with my friends in the back yard. Vote for me; I have military experience.

54 daddyo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:08:58am

Almost, huh? Like a firm possibility of a definite maybe.

55 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:09:36am

I almost became a model...

and a Hollywood action movie star...

and the greatest home run hitter in MLB history...

but decided to become a fork-lift operator.

/

56 Geepers  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:09:40am

JammieWearingFool (#12),

Just one problem. Selective service wasn't reinstated until 1980.

Oops.

So in addition to lying, he lied.

What a buffoon.

57 transient  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:09:41am

McCain: 22 years of military service, including 5 years as POW.
Obama: Thought about going into the military once.

Yeah...that's the same thing.

58 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:09:51am

I almost dated Kim Basinger.

59 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:10:09am
“You know, I actually did,” Obama said. “I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school.

How noble, except:

What is Selective Service registration?
Registration is a way our government keeps a list of names of men from which to draw in case of a national emergency requiring rapid expansion of our Armed Forces. By registering all young men, the Selective Service ensures that a future draft will be fair and equitable...Virtually all men must register with Selective Service
60 Clubsec  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:10:12am

Not unlike Hillary's story of how as a law school graduate she tried to join the Marines but they turned her down because of her poor eyesight. Yea, sure, like ANYONE believed that story either.

Hey ObamUH, uh, uhh, uuhh ... try another angle to connect with America. A mile high and an inch thick. What a poser.

Off to the range to snap some caps and make some holes. TTFN

61 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:10:28am
62 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:10:34am

McCain should come back with this reply:

"Well, I pondered spending my entire youth smoking marijuana, smorting coke and goofing around on the basketball court -- but decided in the end to devote my life to defending America."

63 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:11:02am

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

Just one problem. Selective service wasn't reinstated until 1980.

Oops.

ROTFLMAO..........I graduated in 78, and had to register with SS when I enrolled in CC. No Selective Service registration equaled no Pell grant money. Funny thing was that when I graduated high school I tried to enlist in the military and because I was born with clubbed feet I couldn't pass the physical. So there I was fully and painfully aware that I was ineligible for military service yet required to register with Selective Service....

64 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:11:02am

smorting = snorting

65 daddyo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:11:08am

I almost made the U.S. Olympic track & field team. Missed it by just a few feet!

My event was the high jump.

66 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:11:09am


Now here is the D.I Barry should have had.........................................

67 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:11:12am

re: #51 realwest

Yup, Lord knows Obama in combat gear would certainly set my knees to trembling.

OBAMBO!

No man, no law, no war can stop him!

68 CapeCoddah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:11:20am

re: #62 zombie

LOL, Zombie, how does one SMORT coke?

69 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:11:35am

re: #37 american jewess in jerusalem Well

I guess he must be feeling a little small in the shadow of McCain's heroism.

he is VERY small in comparision to McCain's heroism.
But he was a community orgainizer!
Hmmmmmm - not quite the same ring to it, is there?!

70 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:12:14am

I thought about buying stock in Dell in 1992.

71 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:12:20am

Well again, he was answering a viewer question, "Did you ever consider volunteering for the military to serve your country that way?" So, what could he say? I'll grant his answer was truthful. He maybe strained it a little by making it sound like, "Well, if there was a hot war to fight, I would have been more gung-ho!" He could have left that part out, but our man 0bambi, he likes to talk.

72 barry the baptist  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:12:20am

Well he hasn't slept a lot in the last 20-30 years so it likely slipped his mind. It's hard to remember stuff like that, you know.

73 nonic  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:12:24am

The one thing I like about Obama is that he can make me laugh out loud.

74 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:12:25am
“And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option

Why does that sentence irritate me?

75 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:12:28am

He is still The Big ZERO.

76 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:12:42am
I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school.

Instead he opted for selective memory

77 Dustyvet  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:12:54am

re: #30 MandyManners

Were there more back in 1979?

I was with the Hawaii Army National Guard in 1974, those where the only three in Hawaii at that time. There is or was a training area on the Big Island whose name I can't spell which was run by the United States Army 25th Infantry Division.

78 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:13:15am

re: #58 rawmuse

I almost dated Kim Basinger.

Dumped her

79 transient  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:13:16am

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure Barack Obama wanted to be assigned to Cultured Pearl Harbor.

The world is his oyster.

80 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:13:24am

re: #49 CapeCoddah
" Does he really think we are all that stupid?"
Yes.

81 sheepdog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:13:43am

My sister Is 47 years old,same age as O'bamer she graduated In 1977 , why did obama graduate 2 years later....please help! I'm confused or Is obama blurring everything he says?

82 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:13:48am

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure Barack Obama wanted to be assigned to Cultured Pearl Harbor.

And Barney Frank thought about joining up, too, on the condition that he be assigned to Fort Dix.

83 daddyo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:13:52am

re: #68 CapeCoddah

LOL, Zombie, how does one SMORT coke?


Smurfs smort coke. And smoreplay is what they do before they smuck.

84 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:14:19am

re: #46 rawmuse

I almost was a rock star.

Hey that my line.... quit stepping on my toes.... ;P

85 sadhu  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:14:31am

re: #76 Shug

re: #76 Shug

Instead he opted for selective memory

and Self Service

86 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:14:32am

re: #70 cliffster

I thought about buying stock in Dell in 1992.

Dang it, so did I, closer to 1994, I think. Bought a little baby server from them then. If I'd put an equal amount of cash into their stock, would have been berry berry good to me.

87 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:14:44am

re: #58 rawmuse
You did not! I almost dated her once, though! LOL!

88 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:14:47am

re: #65 daddyo

I almost made the U.S. Olympic track & field team. Missed it by just a few feet!

My event was the high jump.

LOL!

89 Thanos  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:15:02am

He considered it long enough to decide that community organizer was a faster track to political power.

90 jemima  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:15:04am

Sarah Palin has bigger balls than he has. And I mean that as a metaphorical compliment to her.

91 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:15:04am

re: #74 MandyManners

Why does that sentence irritate me?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patronizing

92 Cicero05  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:15:09am

Obama dropped the military idea when he found out the WACs had been disbanded.

93 Balian1193  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:15:35am

Even in basketball, Sarah Palin is more experienced than Barack Obama. With a fractured ankle, Sarah Palin nailed a clutch winning free throw to win the state championship. Her team was a heavy underdog. Obama won nothing.

Sarah Palin - state championship
Obama - he brags he can beat her in a game of HORSE.

[Link: www.insideedition.com...]
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

ROFL ...Obama is a loser. He brags he can beat a woman 6 inch shorter than him in HORSE. Like everything else, Palin walks the talk and Obama balks the walk.

94 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:15:38am

re: #92 Cicero05

and he saw that you had to do chin ups

95 Dustyvet  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:15:41am

re: #80 realwest

" Does he really think we are all that stupid?"
Yes.

Had he joined the Army, he would have been a REMF anyway...:)


And for those that have served we all know what a REMF is...

96 Kailen  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:16:04am

Tisk tisk, Charles. The 1980 reissue *STILL* meant that he had to sign up.

"On March 25, 1975, Pres. Gerald Ford signed Proclamation 4360, Terminating Registration Procedures Under Military Selective Service Act, eliminating the registration requirement for all 18-25 year old male citizens. Then on July 2, 1980, President Jimmy Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18-26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960. Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration.[2] The first registrations after Proclamation 4771 took place on Monday, July 21, 1980, for those men born in January, February and March 1960 at U.S. Post Offices. Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays were reserved for men born in the later quarters of the year, and registration for men born in 1961 began the following week [3]."

Obama was born August 4, 1961. In other words, he was required to sign up.

97 calcajun  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:16:07am

Slightly OT--this is an interesting opinion article. I do not know the author's political bent, but this sounds like an excuse for failure before the fact. He suggests BHO's tepid poll performance is a function of his race and not his lightweight record.

[Link: www.philly.com...]

As I told a friend, I have not seen anything that might indicate BHO would be a bad president. It is just that I have not seen anything to suggest he knows how to be a good president.

98 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:16:27am

re: #77 Dustyvet

I was with the Hawaii Army National Guard in 1974, those where the only three in Hawaii at that time. There is or was a training area on the Big Island whose name I can't spell which was run by the United States Army 25th Infantry Division.

Which branch had the most prominent presence at the time?

99 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:16:30am

Wow. If McCain's were to decide to blow everything by having an affair with someone on his campaign, he could do worse than the babe who was just on CNN Late Edition. Nancy Pfloetensomething.

100 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:16:44am

Now we know when he became an experienced CinC - geesh, I'da never have figured it out.

Kamzing

101 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:17:15am

re: #81 sheepdog

My sister Is 47 years old,same age as O'bamer she graduated In 1977 , why did obama graduate 2 years later....please help! I'm confused or Is obama blurring everything he says?

He's 47. Graduating in 1979 when he was 18 makes sense.

I'm 45. I graduated in 1981. And just for the record, I registered with selective service on my 18th birthday.

102 tee866  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:17:15am

The thought of that man thinking about joining the service is about the same thought that I have about pigs being able to grow wings and fly at will.

103 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:17:21am

re: #74 MandyManners
Morning Mandy! "Why does that sentence irritate me?"
Maybe because it's such a blatant lie?
Just a guess here!

104 Dustyvet  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:17:30am

re: #98 MandyManners

Which branch had the most prominent presence at the time?

United States Navy Pearl Harbor.

105 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:17:56am

re: #99 Occasional Reader

Wow. If McCain's were to decide to blow everything by having an affair with someone on his campaign, he could do worse than the babe who was just on CNN Late Edition. Nancy Pfloetensomething.

If you mean the woman who replaced Fiorina as economic (and general) spokesperson, yessir.

106 gringo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:17:57am

This is just too good. How desperate he must be to try anything, any lie to bolster his evaporating popularity. Palin is the word of the day and for the first time his campaign can actually see the possibility of failure. Oh my, but they must be besides themselves!

107 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:18:07am

re: #99 Occasional Reader

Wow. If McCain's were to decide to blow everything by having an affair with someone on his campaign, he could do worse than the babe who was just on CNN Late Edition. Nancy Pfloetensomething.

One nice thing about electing a 72 year old man for president - chances of antics with a 22 year old intern go way down.

108 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:18:11am

re: #91 cliffster

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/p atronizing

Yep. And, because it's a lie.

109 TMA  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:18:15am

(#12) Just one problem. Selective service wasn't reinstated until 1980.

(#40) If he graduated high school in '79, he would have had to register for Selective Service when it started up in '80. Not immediately upon graduating high school, but certainly when he was in college

Right, I graduated high school in June, 1980, but selective service registration was introduced either in the summer or the fall of the year, and, as I recall, during the startup phase of the program those of us who were already 18 were given a deadline in late 1980 or early 1981 to become registered.

Also, Obama's statement that "we weren't engaged in an active war at that point" is somewhat misleading -- our hostages were being held in Iran, the russians had just invaded afghanistan, taiwan was threatened, it seemed very clear that the world was falling apart around us, the US was retreating all around and we were headed to war. [and that's why I got to cast my first presidential vote for Reagan!]

110 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:18:21am

re: #74 MandyManners

Why does that sentence irritate me?

If it's not the consonants, it must be the vowels.

You may be suffering from Irritable Vowel Syndrome.

111 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:18:24am

re: #96 Kailen

Yes, but he wasn't required in 1979, so he's lying.

All he needs to do is show the evidence. Which, of course, he can't since he's lying.

112 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:19:12am

re: #110 Occasional Reader

If it's not the consonants, it must be the vowels.

You may be suffering from Irritable Vowel Syndrome.

Sick, very very sick....................I like it though.

113 Archimedes  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:19:14am

re: #39 rawmuse

I almost was an astronaut.

Jon Lovitz, Pathological Liars Anonymous:

114 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:19:15am

re: #97 calcajun

As I told a friend, I have not seen anything that might indicate BHO would be a bad president.

Uh... really?

115 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:19:23am

re: #95 Dustyvet

Had he joined the Army, he would have been a REMF anyway...:)


And for those that have served we all know what a REMF is...

Nothing wrong with being a REMF. Without the REMF's, no food, no bullets, no grenades, no nothing.

116 PETN Sandwich  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:19:55am

There are more military installations in Hawaii than anyone can imagine


Linky

117 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:20:04am

re: #29 Dustyvet

Marine Bases

* Hawaii Marine Corps Base - northeast of Honolulu

The Marines have two installations on Oahu. Kaneohe Marine Corps Airstation on the Windward side and Camp H.M. Smith in the hills of Aiea above Pearl Harbor, which is the logistical headquarters for the Marines in the Pacific. My father was stationed there.


There used to be a Naval Air Station at Barbers Point but that may have been turned over to the Coasties. When I was a kid there were P-3 Orion ASW planes stationed there.

118 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:20:15am

Mornin' all.

I just wrote the easiest 2,000-word essay of my life.

119 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:20:33am

re: #116 PETN Sandwich

There are more military installations in Hawaii than anyone can imagine


Linky

We didn't bring Hawaii into the union because we love volcanoes.

120 Occam's Beard  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:20:33am

I almost became a community organizer.

121 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:20:44am

re: #99 Occasional Reader

If McCain's were to decide

[sigh]

122 pettyfog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:20:44am

Come on... are we like Kos idiots? HE had to register in 1980.

ANyone here distinctly recall month-month events .. especially those in which you had little interest.. from 28 years ago?

Debate whether he REALLY thought about it, but the dates prove nothing.

123 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:20:54am

Don't worry, I'm sure the MSM will thrash him this week. /snark

124 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:21:07am

re: #103 realwest

Morning Mandy! "Why does that sentence irritate me?"
Maybe because it's such a blatant lie?
Just a guess here!

And, because he thinks people will believe him.

125 crimsonfisted  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:21:19am

re: #18 Albemarle

Liberals always have BETTER intentions , but no results .
Look for this sign of Republican victory . When you see Sarah's hair style all around , victory is comming .

And glasses too. I know I want a beehive!

126 blangwort  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:21:23am

I almost signed up to campaign for president, but I didn't. Can I be commander in chief now?

127 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:21:31am

re: #107 cliffster

One nice thing about electing a 72 year old man for president - chances of antics with a 22 year old intern go way down.

Chairman Mao liked them younger...way younger...

128 Kailen  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:21:32am

re: #111 JammieWearingFool

Yes, but he wasn't required in 1979, so he's lying.

All he needs to do is show the evidence. Which, of course, he can't since he's lying.

It's still a false point to chase. He was required to sign up, not long after he graduated. It's very easy to simple mix the memory up thirty years after the fact. This isn't a point to grab onto as proof of anything.

He's lying through his teeth about wanting to sign up, sure, but don't try to grab the small date difference to blow holes in his story, it'll backfire.

129 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:21:34am

re: #104 Dustyvet

United States Navy Pearl Harbor.

When I think of Hawaii and military, Army does not spring to mind.

130 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:21:51am

re: #110 Occasional Reader

If it's not the consonants, it must be the vowels.

You may be suffering from Irritable Vowel Syndrome.

LOL!

131 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:21:57am

re: #97 calcajun

Polman's a liberal. And this is not the first article of this type that I've seen blaming racism for Obama's potential loss of the election.

The good news is, these days they're at least thinking that an Obama loss is a possibility. ;-)

132 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:22:09am

.....................24 empty missile tubes................a mushroom cloud,

NOW COMES MILLER TIME

133 Cicero05  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:22:13am

It's a pity he didn't enlist. In 1979 the Army was desperate for good community organizers.

134 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:22:16am

re: #97 calcajun

"As I told a friend, I have not seen anything that might indicate BHO would be a bad president."

Yeah, except for attacking and penalizing our private sector and surrendering to any military adversary, he'd probably be OK.

135 phillygirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:22:21am

Obama is now running scared, and he should be. As for the column about racism in the Philadelphia Inquirer - I think Obama is in the Presidential race because of his race - and nothing else. The guy is an empty suit with dangerous associations. I just heard his spokesman tell Wolf Blitzer that John McCain has old ideas - since he has been in the US Senate for 26 years. Of course, Joe Biden's been in the Senate for 30 years - with no significant accomplishments except for running his mouth.

136 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:22:53am

This is in response to McCain.

So next week I expect Obama to say in response to Gov. Palin's affect on the polls , that he was almost created as a female

137 daddyo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:23:25am
138 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:23:28am

re: #129 MandyManners

When I think of Hawaii and military, Army does not spring to mind.

True dat. But Schofield Barracks has been there a long time, predates the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Ever see "From Here To Eternity"?

139 Dustyvet  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:23:45am

re: #104 Dustyvet

United States Navy Pearl Harbor.

GI Beans in GI Gravy, gee I wish I joined the Navy...

SOUND OFF!

You're Right

You had a good home when you left,
(Troops reply) You're right,
Your father was home when you left,
(Troops reply) You're right,
Your mother was home when you left,
(Troops reply) You're right,
Your brother was home when you left,
(Troops reply) You're right,
Your sister was home when you left,
(Troops reply) You're right,
Your girl friend was home when you left,
(Troops reply) You're right,
Your dog was home when you left,
(Troops reply) You're right,
Your cat was home when you left,
(Troops reply) You're right,
Your home, your father, your mother, your brother, your sister,
Your girl friend, your dog, your cat, they all were there when you left


"Momma, momma, can't you see? Look what the Army's done to me. ... They took away my faded jeans; Now I'm wearing Army green. They took away my gin and rum; Now I'm up before the sun..."

140 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:24:02am

and The Detroit Lions almost make the playoffs every year

141 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:24:07am

re: #138 Colonel Panik

True dat. But Schofield Barracks has been there a long time, predates the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Ever see "From Here To Eternity"?

It's been a while but, yes.

142 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:24:16am

re: #135 phillygirl

Obama is now running scared, and he should be. As for the column about racism in the Philadelphia Inquirer - I think Obama is in the Presidential race because of his race - and nothing else. The guy is an empty suit with dangerous associations. I just heard his spokesman tell Wolf Blitzer that John McCain has old ideas - since he has been in the US Senate for 26 years. Of course, Joe Biden's been in the Senate for 30 years - with no significant accomplishments except for running his mouth.

And, as those of us who live in this cesspool know, the Philadelphia Inquirer makes the NYT look conservative.

143 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:24:18am

re: #135 phillygirl

Obama is now running scared, and he should be. As for the column about racism in the Philadelphia Inquirer - I think Obama is in the Presidential race because of his race - and nothing else. The guy is an empty suit with dangerous associations. I just heard his spokesman tell Wolf Blitzer that John McCain has old ideas - since he has been in the US Senate for 26 years. Of course, Joe Biden's been in the Senate for 30 years - with no significant accomplishments except for running his mouth.

And it's been awhile since the associations were hammered on. I'm thinking there's a couple more in the shadows, and they'll come out 2 weeks or so before the election. That'll start the whole dialog up again, so we'll start rolling Rev Wright et al all over again. A little slimy, but the ends justify the means.

144 leprechaun  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:24:29am

wow! you really called him out on this one. I hope this gets bigger play, he is straight up lying to veterans and all Americans who value military service.

145 Talking Stick  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:24:47am

Debunk da funk! - Scrotum Man energizes da Party as second for Da Manly Man in Obama/Palin hoop contest - he got da balls!

146 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:24:48am

re: #128 Kailen

Read the quote:

“I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school.

No. He. Didn't.

He's lying.

147 kcladderman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:24:54am

re: #63 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO..........I graduated in 78, and had to register with SS when I enrolled in CC. No Selective Service registration equaled no Pell grant money. Funny thing was that when I graduated high school I tried to enlist in the military and because I was born with clubbed feet I couldn't pass the physical. So there I was fully and painfully aware that I was ineligible for military service yet required to register with Selective Service....

I remember when I registered .Remember the little box to check if you wanted a recruiter to contact you? I remember thinking to my self hell no!Six months
later i was waking up at Great Lakes Recruit Training Center.
So I guess you can say I considered not joining.
/

148 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:25:17am

re: #138 Colonel Panik

True dat. But Schofield Barracks has been there a long time, predates the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Ever see "From Here To Eternity"?


Great movie Col.

149 daddyo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:25:20am

really almost

150 RobCon  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:25:27am

Does going to see Apocalypse Now as a teenager count for anything?

151 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:26:05am

Well, I'll admit it, I never served and to this day it is the biggest regret of my life.
No sarc this time, either.

152 deathtotheswiss  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:26:16am

Where was Obama in July of 1980?

153 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:26:27am

This man could tell BHO a thing or two about military service.

154 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:26:31am

re: #146 JammieWearingFool

Read the quote:

No. He. Didn't.

He's lying.

I had to register with Selective Service when I graduated from kindergarten.

Okay, it was 13 years later, but pretty much the same thing.

155 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:27:06am

If Obama had joined the military in 1979, they would have made a man out of him. And right now he'd probably be doing something besides trying to ruin the country.

156 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:27:34am

re: #150 RobCon

I love the smell of napalm in the morning


157 Dustyvet  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:27:50am

re: #141 MandyManners

It's been a while but, yes.

re: #154 Occasional Reader

I had to register with Selective Service when I graduated from kindergarten.

Okay, it was 13 years later, but pretty much the same thing.

Maybe Hanoi John Kerry will loan him one of his Purple Hearts!

158 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:27:54am

...and one other thing I neglected to mention.... I almost received a purple heart for my sincere contemplation of a military career. One of my heroes/role models was John Kerry...

159 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:28:09am

Military kids weren't popular at Punahou when I was there in the mid-late 70's.
Even though Hawaii was heavily dependent, economically speaking, on the military presence there was a definite air of what we would now know as moonbattery.

160 Lynn B.  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:28:09am

I almost invented the internet.

But algore beat me to it.

161 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:28:41am

re: #153 MandyManners

This man could tell BHO a thing or two about military service.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Gold Star Mandy

162 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:28:59am

re: #135 phillygirl
Well, you know:

I just heard his spokesman tell Wolf Blitzer that John McCain has old ideas - since he has been in the US Senate for 26 years.

isn't really, totally untrue. Some of McCain's "Old ideas" involve such "old" things as honesty, integrity, duty, honor, country those sorta "old ideas".
I guarantee you that these "old ideas" have never entered Joe Biden's head (or Obama's for that matter; you can't hold those old ideas and be a successful member of the Chicago Democrat Left Machine!).

163 crimsonfisted  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:29:27am

re: #153 MandyManners

This man could tell BHO a thing or two about military service.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That was beautiful Mandy. Thanks.

164 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:29:35am

re: #150 RobCon

Does going to see Apocalypse Now as a teenager count for anything?

Only if followed immediately by a discussion of good/light/openness vs. evil/dark/secrecy.

165 phillygirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:29:38am

From #142:
And, as those of us who live in this cesspool know, the Philadelphia Inquirer makes the NYT look conservative.

I've been trying to explain to my 86 year old mother that she won't turn into a pumpkin if she votes for McCain-Palin. Philadelphia politics is dirty - run by the Democrats (except for the Rizzo years) forever. The state of the city is a mess - the worst schools, dirty parks and city streets - and plenty of homeless. Not unlike Detroit or DC. And yet, the people keep pulling that Democratic lever. They screw themselves again and again.

166 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:29:40am

I almost started an internet browser company in my garage, but the Google guys beat me to it.

But I was thisclose!

167 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:30:02am

re: #151 rawmuse

Well, I'll admit it, I never served and to this day it is the biggest regret of my life.
No sarc this time, either.

I'd have to echo you on that one.
My dad had been a helicopter pilot and I wanted to be an aviator as well, but I inherited my mother's myopia. I did consider becoming a bubblehead at one point.

168 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:30:34am

Well, I almost won the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics. If I had just been born a hundred years earlier and a little bit smarter...

...Dude, this is some potent reefer!

169 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:30:48am

re: #155 cliffster

If Obama had joined the military in 1979, they would have made a man out of him. And right now he'd probably be doing something besides trying to ruin the country.

If nothing else he would have pissed off his Marxist caring and sensitive relatives.

170 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:30:58am

re: #165 phillygirl

From #142:
And, as those of us who live in this cesspool know, the Philadelphia Inquirer makes the NYT look conservative.

I've been trying to explain to my 86 year old mother that she won't turn into a pumpkin if she votes for McCain-Palin. Philadelphia politics is dirty - run by the Democrats (except for the Rizzo years) forever. The state of the city is a mess - the worst schools, dirty parks and city streets - and plenty of homeless. Not unlike Detroit or DC. And yet, the people keep pulling that Democratic lever. They screw themselves again and again.

cognitive dissonance.

171 SagamoreGal  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:31:13am

I almost married Theodore Roosevelt.

172 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:31:18am

re: #153 MandyManners

This man could tell BHO a thing or two about military service.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Hat tip: Goddessoftheclassroom.

173 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:31:18am

Gotta wash the dogs. BB when football starts, and the Cowboys Superbowl run starts.

NFL 2008 MVP

174 crimsonfisted  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:31:19am

re: #135 phillygirl

I just heard his spokesman tell Wolf Blitzer that John McCain has old ideas - since he has been in the US Senate for 26 years. Of course, Joe Biden's been in the Senate for 30 years - with no significant accomplishments except for running his mouth.


Old ideas like the Bible. The Constitution. The Declaration.

Old ideas I can live with.

175 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:31:37am

re: #165 phillygirl

From #142:
And, as those of us who live in this cesspool know, the Philadelphia Inquirer makes the NYT look conservative.

I've been trying to explain to my 86 year old mother that she won't turn into a pumpkin if she votes for McCain-Palin. Philadelphia politics is dirty - run by the Democrats (except for the Rizzo years) forever. The state of the city is a mess - the worst schools, dirty parks and city streets - and plenty of homeless. Not unlike Detroit or DC. And yet, the people keep pulling that Democratic lever. They screw themselves again and again.


And it's hard to feel sorry for them when they do. I still proudly pull the GOP lever, but our Party is dead in this town. Still, it's the principle of the thing.

176 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:31:47am
177 Dustyvet  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:32:13am

I once was a Horse Holder for General Custer, and I got an Arrow Shirt...:)

178 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:32:15am

I almost killed two people

--OJ

/

179 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:32:21am

re: #171 SagamoreGal

I almost married Theodore Roosevelt.

BULLY!

180 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:32:22am

re: #159 Colonel Panik

Military kids weren't popular at Punahou when I was there in the mid-late 70's.
Even though Hawaii was heavily dependent, economically speaking, on the military presence there was a definite air of what we would now know as moonbattery.

I could imagine. Military brats seen a lower-class. I know a couple of Punahou graduates -- both now moonbats.

181 rasachema  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:32:24am

i was born in october of 1979 :0)

182 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:32:29am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

This is a crock; it is doctrinaire leftism laying the groundwork to excuse the Obama loss on "racism," rather than on his meager qualifications or his unsavory associations.

If Obama had been a white first-term Senator with a similarly slender state senate record, he would never have considered running for President. And if he had, the party elders would have said to him, "Not yet, kid. Get yourself a little more reputation first." He would never have gotten the money he got. He would never have gotten the adulation he's gotten.

Lest we forget, there have been many, many people--white as well as black--who have been open about their intention to vote for Obama precisely, and solely, on the basis of race. All of the racist quotes in the media--pro- as well as anti-Obama--are all anecdotal, but from the poll numbers it seems clear that overall race has been more an asset to Obama than not.

I'll be damned if I am willing to be called a racist by some columnist merely because I won't be whipsawed into voting for someone with whom I disagree, on the grounds that his skin color may be different from mine.

SPEAK IT!

183 ice-9  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:32:47am

re: #128 Kailen

It's still a false point to chase. He was required to sign up, not long after he graduated. It's very easy to simple mix the memory up thirty years after the fact. This isn't a point to grab onto as proof of anything.

He's lying through his teeth about wanting to sign up, sure, but don't try to grab the small date difference to blow holes in his story, it'll backfire.

That's pretty much it. I graduated in '79, like Obama, and I remember checking the Selective Service card the following summer. I was on break from college, and my summer job was working in the street department for the Boston Gas Company. I remember telling the crew I was working with that I was looking forward to seeing the world, if the draft ever did come, and the weird looks they shot me.

But if it wasn't for those looks, I'd probably never would have been able to fix a date to it. Non-issue.

184 paint-right  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:33:03am

re: #157 Dustyvet

Maybe Hanoi John Kerry will loan him one of his Purple Hearts!

This puts me in mind of that famous Kerry moment in which he attempted to bond with the common man by saying, "Can I get me a huntin' license?"

/that's how they talk, aint it?

185 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:33:14am

OT:

Canada's prime minister calls early election

TORONTO - Canada's prime minister dissolved Parliament on Sunday and called an early election next month in hopes of strengthening his Conservative minority government's hold on power.

I wish Harper well, but I still find parliamentary systems a little weird. The chief executive gets to pick when the elections occur!

186 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:33:49am

re: #182 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

He also would not have been Oprah's show either.

187 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:33:56am

re: #161 smokefire

re: #163 crimsonfisted

Goddessoftheclassroom posted it yesterday.

188 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:34:21am

re: #173 cliffster

Gotta wash the dogs.

I seriously considered washing your dogs for you earlier today.

189 kcladderman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:34:22am

re: #167 Colonel Panik

I'd have to echo you on that one.
My dad had been a helicopter pilot and I wanted to be an aviator as well, but I inherited my mother's myopia. I did consider becoming a bubblehead at one point.

I really enjoyed my time aboard the USS Independence and twenty three years after walking off of her for the last time. Certain things take me back onboard almost daily.

190 Occam's Beard  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:34:30am

re: #159 Colonel Panik

Colonel, amazing parallels in our lives. My father was also stationed at Camp Smith, and I too went to Punahou for my last year of high school, at the height of the Vietnam War.

191 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:34:40am

re: #37 american jewess in jerusalem

From his answer, it sounds like the interviewer asked him point blank, "Did you ever think of joining the military?" If that is the case, then how would you expect him to answer IF he did, in fact, consider it?

I suspect he NEVER considered it, but that's something we can't know for certain. If, on the other hand, he introduced this topic of conversation just so he could plant a bogus answer, then that would be . . . typical Barry.

I guess he must be feeling a little small in the shadow of McCain's heroism.


He probably considered it, and (like many) decided that he would do everything he could to avoid military service.

Obviously, if this was something he was *seriously* entertaining, we would have heard about it in his autobiographies or during a previous campaign, not at the 11th hour of his Presidential bid.

192 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:35:01am

re: #184 paint-right

This puts me in mind of that famous Kerry moment in which he attempted to bond with the common man by saying,

"Can I get me a huntin' license?"

/that's how they talk, aint it?

Only in Lefty Hollywood movies about the South (see: Steel Magnolias, Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, Forest Gump &c &c)

193 Basho  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:35:09am

Meh... he tried to give a politically correct answer to that question by talking about how noble service is and that he considered it. Can't really blame him for giving a lame answer, but can't really blame him for not joining, it was his right.

I think the correct line of attack is to show whether he still thinks the military is a noble organization. His position on the surge, nuclear weapons, "unproven" missile defense, etc., show to me that he doesn't.

BTW, how can a missile defense system be "unproven"? All you need is Newton's laws to show it can be done. It may be inefficient, costly, impractical, but unproven? Missile defense is an engineering problem, not a scientific one, you idiot.

194 Idle Drifter  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:35:43am

re: #127 The Other Les

ew.

195 paint-right  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:35:47am

re: #174 crimsonfisted

Old ideas like the Bible. The Constitution. The Declaration.

Old ideas I can live with.

Aren't there cultures in which age is revered?
as well as tradition?
Let's do it!
Vote for the old man and his snappy new running mate!

196 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:35:52am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

The more I hear the "Obama may lose because of racism" meme being pulled up lately, the more I smell liberal panic. My only response is a heartfelt "heh".

197 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:35:53am

re: #181 rasachema

i was born in october of 1979 :0)

Then go fetch us a beer, sport.

198 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:35:57am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

This is a crock; it is doctrinaire leftism laying the groundwork to excuse the Obama loss on "racism," rather than on his meager qualifications or his unsavory associations.

I'm quite glad they're already preparing for the whine-fest when he loses. That means they expect him to lose -- in fact, his whole candidacy may be little more than an experiment to "prove" how racist American society is. They need him to lose in order to prove their point. The professors will be coasting on this one for decades.

199 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:36:05am

re: #160 Lynn B.

I almost invented the internet.

But algore beat me to it.

My dad almost invented the programmable read-only memory. Seriously. There was a patent issued, tho my dad's name was left off, his boss's name appeared, and I don't think the patent ever earned much money anyway, but it was in court back in the 1960s.

200 debutaunt  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:36:07am

re: #13 cliffster

He didn't specify which army.

hahahahahahhahahahahhhaaa

201 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:36:18am

[Link: www.bucksright.com...]
obama: "my muslim faith"

somehow, i cant imagine Sarah Palin ever making a freudian slip like this.

panic stations on the left.

if you have a reddit account you can upvote it over here

[Link: www.reddit.com...]

202 leadbelly  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:36:39am

When did Charles ever consider joining the military?

203 blangwort  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:37:02am

re: #158 twincitiesgirl

I still think that counts. After all, think of how much brain bleach was required to think about Kerry in office.

204 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:37:11am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

If Obama had been a white first-term Senator with a similarly slender state senate record, he would never have considered running for President. And if he had, the party elders would have said to him, "Not yet, kid. Get yourself a little more reputation first." He would never have gotten the money he got.

I've a feeling Soros was whispering in many ears, dangling a lot of cash under their noses.

205 jemima  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:37:16am

I wish he had almost considered running for president but then thought better of it. Unfortunately his pathologically enormous ego (and exotic background) put him where we are today.

206 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:37:34am

re: #198 zombie

I'm quite glad they're already preparing for the whine-fest when he loses. That means they expect him to lose -- in fact, his whole candidacy may be little more than an experiment to "prove" how racist American society is. They need him to lose in order to prove their point. The professors will be coasting on this one for decades.

I still am not entirely convinced BHO thought he would win. I think he wanted to get his name out there and try to win over the press. I sincerely think he thought there was no way in Hell he'd be the candidate.

Of course, I have been wrong before . . .

207 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:37:34am

re: #198 zombie

I'm quite glad they're already preparing for the whine-fest when he loses.

I only hope it's JUST a whine-fest.

Say, you probably have better "feel of the street" than just about any of us; are you expecting violence if when Obamessiah loses?

208 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:37:42am

re: #192 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Now THAT was a southern movie................................

209 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:37:45am

re: #202 leadbelly

When did Charles ever consider joining the military?

And the relevance of that is...?

210 Northpaw  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:37:56am

Thing is, I too graduated in 1979 and remember having to go to the post office to sign up for Selective Service.It may have been optional, can't remember for sure but definitely remember doing it. Not that I believe for one second that Obama considered the military as a career choice. Yeah, I had Marine recruiters at my house a couple of times, guess that makes me almost a Marine. Not. LOL

211 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:37:59am

re: #198 zombie

The professors will be coasting on this one for decades.

I doubt that. Case study: Ward Churchill.

The push-back has begun.

212 GOP_Crusader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:38:20am

Obama's outright lie that he even "considered" joining is made even more glaring by the fact that Track Palin did join up and is shipping out to Iraq later this month.

213 rasachema  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:38:31am

re: #197 rwmofo

Coors lite? i prefer Yuengling and Corona.

214 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:38:33am

re: #205 jemima

I wish he had almost considered running for president but then thought better of it. Unfortunately his pathologically enormous ego (and exotic background) put him where we are today.

I think he got bored being senator, or just couldn't cut it. 0bambi is a classic case of running up the ladder just faster than the rungs are breaking.

215 PISSED  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:02am

I AM SO LOOKING FORWARD TO HIM LEAVING WITH HIS "TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS" (not sure if thats politically correct anymore but fk'it) : )

216 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:03am

re: #198 zombie

I'm quite glad they're already preparing for the whine-fest when he loses. That means they expect him to lose -- in fact, his whole candidacy may be little more than an experiment to "prove" how racist American society is. They need him to lose in order to prove their point. The professors will be coasting on this one for decades.

Can you imagine the spin?

The Racism meme is already circulating in Europe...it's very subtle. I see it in the commentary sections of the papers over there and it's vociferous in the comments areas of those papers.

Also not so shocking is how little they really know about our culture, yet they are so judgemental.

217 dahozho  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:10am

Obama will say *anything* if he thinks its gonna help his poll/voting numbers. He's not even helping his own cult of personality. Whatta shmuck.

218 baxtrice  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:30am

Did Obama go off his teleprompter?

..snark snark..

219 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:42am

"Take THAT, McCain/Palin fans! So McCain was a Navy fighter pilot and a prisoner of war for 5 years even if he could have gone home earlier! So Palin can shoot & field dress a moose! OUR guy considered joining the military!"

220 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:43am

re: #202 leadbelly

Why don't you ask him?

221 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:57am

re: #218 baxtrice

Did Obama go off his teleprompter?

..snark snark..

uh, ah, er, um, duh,

222 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:40:43am

re: #206 Wyatt Earp

I think he wanted to get his name out there and try to win over the press. I sincerely think he thought there was no way in Hell he'd be the candidate.

Perhaps after every Dem event he goes home, looks in the mirror and repeats the immortal words of Sheriff Bart: "Ooh, baby, you are so talented! And they are so DUMB!"

223 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:19am

re: #173 cliffster
Yeah well, good luck with that: the NY GIANTS WILL repeat as champs and Eli Manning will be the qb who is the superbowl MVP, AGAIN.

224 PISSED  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:24am

re: #221 smokefire

SARAH DID GREAT!

Sarah Palin electrified the Republican convention Wednesday, all the while reading off a faulty teleprompter and an outdated draft, John McCain officials told FOX News on Thursday.

The Alaska governor overcame several glitches and technical problems to deliver her speech without getting flustered, impressing McCain and his staff and allowing them to breathe a sigh of relief.

225 colo dave  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:46am

In the FWIW dept - and admittedly it's not worth much - but Barry is almost the identical age as myself. As I recall - it was after Ronald Reagan was elected that the Selective Service registration became mandatory. I remeber going to the Post Office to fill out my form. I think this was 1981.

226 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:47am

re: #222 Occasional Reader

Perhaps after every Dem event he goes home, looks in the mirror and repeats the immortal words of Sheriff Bart: "Ooh, baby, you are so talented! And they are so DUMB!"

"Quiet, that's a sure way to get him killed!" :)

227 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:52am
228 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:42:04am

re: #194 Idle Drifter

ew.

Not quite as young as liked by The BIg Mo' though.

229 jamgarr  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:42:15am

OT

A Barrack clip on Fox just now (on the FannieMae issue) that he has been advocating for two years a "crackdown on reckless borrowers"!

Freud is really slipping today.

230 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:42:19am

re: #209 zombie

And the relevance of that is...?

Come on now zombie....you know that trolls like to play with their scat and fling it about.

231 kcladderman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:43:06am

re: #225 colo dave

In the FWIW dept - and admittedly it's not worth much - but Barry is almost the identical age as myself. As I recall - it was after Ronald Reagan was elected that the Selective Service registration became mandatory. I remeber going to the Post Office to fill out my form. I think this was 1981.

No it was 1980 I registered before I enlisted.

232 The Shadow Do  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:43:11am

Nice resume entry:
1979 - Considered joining the military. Did not.

233 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:43:12am

re: #202 leadbelly

When did Charles ever consider joining the military?

Brilliant point! And Charles has no foreign policy experience, either; therefore, it doesn't matter that Obama doesn't have any.

/

234 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:43:13am

re: #219 Tigger2005

While working at the Naval Submarine Base, many years ago, I had the opportunity to view the incident when McCains jet exploded on the aircraft carrier Forrestal. UNF**KING believable.

235 Lynn B.  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:43:21am

re: #153 MandyManners

This man could tell BHO a thing or two about military service.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

From the comments, by the person who posted it:


weneedmccain (1 day ago)

We have over 700 comments posted now, and approving each one has been laborous and intersting.

I promised this man's father I would ensure that no disrepectful posts would be approved. I have kept my word.

But I have more commercials on the issues I want to create so I have to shut down the comments section.

In all, about 75% of the comments were positive and supportive, 15% were disagreeing but respectful, and 10% were ugly, demeaning, rude, and hateful. So much for HOPE.

236 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:44:08am

re: #229 jamgarr

OT

A Barrack clip on Fox just now (on the FannieMae issue) that he has been advocating for two years a "crackdown on reckless borrowers"!

Freud is really slipping today.

I don't think that Freud knew how to ice skate.

237 PISSED  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:44:46am

re: #235 Lynn B.

I bet i know who the 10% want to elect.........

238 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:45:11am

re: #210 Northpaw

Thing is, I too graduated in 1979 and remember having to go to the post office to sign up for Selective Service.It may have been optional, can't remember for sure but definitely remember doing it. Not that I believe for one second that Obama considered the military as a career choice. Yeah, I had Marine recruiters at my house a couple of times, guess that makes me almost a Marine. Not. LOL

I had a couple of Marine recruiters talk to me while I was washing the windows of a candy shop in downtown Minneapolis after school.

Went Army instead.

239 PISSED  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:45:22am

re: #236 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Its easier walking on frozen water i guess.. : )

240 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:45:27am

re: #202 leadbelly
When did Charles consider running for President of the United States and Commander in Chief?!

241 dahozho  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:45:33am

re: #207 Occasional Reader

I only hope it's JUST a whine-fest.

Say, you probably have better "feel of the street" than just about any of us; are you expecting violence if when Obamessiah loses?

Sad to say, I could see it happening in various areas. We really need to shore up our civil society and *expect* people to abide by our laws and tradition of smooth transitions following elections.

242 jas  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:46:02am

re: #175 Wyatt Earp

And it's hard to feel sorry for them when they do. I still proudly pull the GOP lever, but our Party is dead in this town. Still, it's the principle of the thing.

I've got the same problem next door. You've just got Philly to deal with - NJ is a cesspool in dying need of someone like Sarah Palin to come along. Corzine, Lautenberg, Menendez...not sure it gets any worse that that.

243 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:46:04am

re: #135 phillygirl

Obama is now running scared, and he should be. As for the column about racism in the Philadelphia Inquirer - I think Obama is in the Presidential race because of his race - and nothing else. The guy is an empty suit with dangerous associations. I just heard his spokesman tell Wolf Blitzer that John McCain has old ideas - since he has been in the US Senate for 26 years. Of course, Joe Biden's been in the Senate for 30 years - with no significant accomplishments except for running his mouth.

'Old' ideas -because he's 'old' ...
B0's campaing howls about what they think is racism - but use and have used ageism against McCain. And that is as reprehensible as racism - because just like the colour of your skin you cannot choose not to age.

244 Grok the Fullness  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:46:54am

I considered becoming a democrat... until I saw the zombies...

245 crimeshark  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:47:13am

He did consider military service. But when told he would have to leave the Girl Scouts, he just bagged the whole thing.

At least he earned his Community Organizer badge from the GSA before he entered politics.

246 debutaunt  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:47:39am

re: #81 sheepdog

My sister Is 47 years old,same age as O'bamer she graduated In 1977 , why did obama graduate 2 years later....please help! I'm confused or Is obama blurring everything he says?

Held back in the madrassa?

247 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:48:06am

re: #180 zombie

I could imagine. Military brats seen a lower-class. I know a couple of Punahou graduates -- both now moonbats.

During the 70's we (military brats) were seen not just as a lower-class but pretty much treated with the exact same vile disrespect as our military parents upon their return from Vietnam.

San Diego Ca. was a pretty small town when I moved here in 1971, something like 275,000 people here. It was a Navy town by and large, but we (military brats) were pretty much an outcast class just the same.

248 Basho  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:48:12am

re: #234 smokefire

While working at the Naval Submarine Base, many years ago, I had the opportunity to view the incident when McCains jet exploded on the aircraft carrier Forrestal. UNF**KING believable.

Did McCain rescue somebody on that carrier by dragging him out of there? Or was that another story?

249 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:48:37am

re: #151 rawmuse

Well, I'll admit it, I never served and to this day it is the biggest regret of my life.
No sarc this time, either.


I don't know about "biggest regret of my life", but I definitely regret not doing it.

I actually went so far as to interview with a recruiter, and take the military physical (and other tests). In the end, I just felt uneasy about signing the papers. I didn't feel pumped to do it, and had other opportunities at the time, so I backed out.

250 kcladderman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:49:09am

re: #246 debutaunt

Held back in the madrassa?

I am 47 and graduated in 1979

251 Idle Drifter  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:49:10am

From a serious point of view, Sen. Obama has tried to link military service with community service, however, he wishes to make community service mandatory for all levels of education. By that logic military service should be mandatory but we all know what a buzz kill that is to the public. In my opinion mandatory service tends give poor service. People forced against their will to perform services for others tend to do a half-ass job just to get by until their terms are up, unless there's someone cracking a whip over their backs. Volunteer service weeds out the majority of those who don't want it and would eliminate the heavy baggage of those same people dragging their butts. This the main reason the "Commons" and "Collectives" fail. The same reward for differing levels of commitment including the zero.

252 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:49:26am

re: #202 leadbelly

When did Charles ever consider joining the military?

When did Charles ever SAY he considered joining the military?
When did he announce his candidacy for POTUS?

253 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:50:22am

re: #229 jamgarr
Do you have a link or is it on YouTube yet? Oh man, considering the terms of the super super jumbo mortgage loan he got (with Tony Rezco's help) I'd love to hear him saying that.
With the "my Muslim Faith" gaffe, methinks Obama is either REALLY effin' tired or just showing his true, elitist colors.

254 Talking Stick  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:50:38am

Where have all the flowers gone?

Diane Feinstein 75
Nancy Pelosi 68
Hilary Clinton 61
Barbara Boxer 67
Barbara Mikulski 72
Gloria Steinem 74
Barbara Walters 78
Sally Quinn 67
Eleanor Clift 68
Andrea Mitchell 61
Gail Collins 62

Sarah Palin 44

Viva la Revolution!

255 johnm  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:18am

Barry's right, quite a few military kids went to Punahou at the time. They came from all over. My son's classmate was a general at Fort Shafter, which is the headquarters for the US Army Pacific Command and one of my friends was a navy captain. The army has a big post and the 25th Infantry Division at Schofield Barracks, which at one time was the largest army installation in the world outside the continental US. At any given time, there are probably 100,000 or more military personnel and dependents on Oahu, out of a population in 1979 of around a million. That said, Barry couldn't have passed the drug screening in 1979. He was a notorious doper at Punahou, and admits it in his biography. And if he was feeling especially patriotic and in a kick-ass mood, weren't there Americans being held in captivity in Iran at the time? Could have seen some combat under Jimmy Carter. Oh, wait. That Desert One thing didn't go too well, and Barry probably decided LA was close enough to the action.
What a crock.

256 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:26am

re: #248 Basho

I believe that was another story.
McCain was dragged out of harms way by another seaman, after he bailed/jumped out of his jet during the fire.

257 Idle Drifter  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:48am

re: #228 The Other Les

EEEEEEEEWWWWWWW!

258 grumpy_old_soldier  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:54:38am

Oh joy...oh rapture!...

I am getting a tingle in my leg just thinking about his scrawny little ass in the hand-to-hand pit!

259 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:55:26am

re: #251 Idle Drifter
With all due respect, I enlisted and served as a combat infantryman in Vietnam and

In my opinion mandatory service tends give poor service. People forced against their will to perform services for others tend to do a half-ass job just to get by until their terms are up

was simply not true. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Draftees on the whole acquited themselves with great honor and in many cases great bravery as well.

260 kagey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:55:53am

Al Gore better watch out. BHO may invent the internet next.

261 leadbelly  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:57:10am

Why are you guys so upset? I just asked when Charles ever considered joining the military. I have to admit...I have before, but I don't think I can place the exact time I thought those things. How about you?

262 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:57:48am

re: #261 leadbelly
October 2nd, 1968.

263 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:57:50am

re: #191 looking closely

He probably considered it, and (like many) decided that he would do everything he could to avoid military service.

Obviously, if this was something he was *seriously* entertaining, we would have heard about it in his autobiographies or during a previous campaign, not at the 11th hour of his Presidential bid.

Exactly!

And we can ask ourselves - would someone like B0, absolutely drenched in communist ideology from his earliest days, really, truly consider joining the Armed Forces of the country which he'd been taught to regard as the enemy of communism?

I don't think so!

264 Elcid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:58:58am

What the Big O meant was...ummm al-Fatah, maybe the PLO...you know the arafat thingy...THEN, he would have graduated to the taliban.

265 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:59:09am

re: #261 leadbelly

leadbelly

Registered since: Oct 9, 2007 at 9:45 am
No. of comments posted: 53
No. of links posted: 0

Hmmmm, gamey troll buttocks..................................Somebody fire up the grill...........

266 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:59:17am

re: #263 yma o hyd
You mean you doubt the Obamessiah? Oh, my gosh, you're gonna be in so much trouble now!
Oh, wait, you live in Wales.
nevermind!

267 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:00:45am

re: #262 realwest

October 2nd, 1968.

Game, set, match: realwest.

268 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:04:12am

re: #261 leadbelly

Why are you guys so upset? I just asked when Charles ever considered joining the military. I have to admit...I have before, but I don't think I can place the exact time I thought those things. How about you?

Hold on a sec - I'm going to go knock on my next door neighbor's door and ask when he considered joining. Seems relevant.
/

269 Albemarle  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:04:20am

Remember in 1979 the Hostage crisis . There were a lot of enlistments in anger a late that year .

270 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:04:24am

re: #81 sheepdog

My sister Is 47 years old,same age as O'bamer she graduated In 1977 , why did obama graduate 2 years later....please help! I'm confused or Is obama blurring everything he says?

That doesn't sound right. I'm 42 and graduated in 1984 (and no, I didn't get held back any grades). Subtract 5 from 1984 and you get 1979. Maybe your sister was gifted & graduated early?

271 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:05:04am

I pulled the dates from a number of sources in order to create a “timeline” since as this article shows, he has a tendency to be inaccurate or misleading especially about dates and details.

Obama: born August 4, 1961
Here’s the sum total of Obama’s experience

Graduated High School in Hawaii 1979
1979-1981 Enrolled at Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years.
(Note: Occidental had 1,675 kids enrolled, and only 17.7 percent were minorities.)
1981 transferred to Columbia University in New York City
1983: Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia
1983-84: worked for a year at the Business International Corporation
1984-85 worked a year for New York Public Interest Research Group
1985 -1988: Chicago a community organizer a church-based community organization (Catholic)
1988- entered Harvard Law School
1989 Summer Intern: Sidley & Austin
1990 Summer Intern Hopkins & Sutter
1991 Graduated from Law School ==became engaged
1992 married on October 3, 1992
1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland,
1993 to 1996 Associate
1996-2004 Of counsel
1997 -2004 State legislator,
1998 -Malia Ann, was born
2001 Natasha ("Sasha"),born
2002 law license became inactive
2004 ran for Senate: serving his first term in Congress.

Re: Inactive Law License 2002: Obama agreed to work for the firm in summer when the legislature was out of session. His law license became inactive in 2002 as politics took over. Simply means he did not renew his license to practice law in Illinois and would not have been able to practice law since then. No evidence it was anything more…..he just didn’t renew it.

Re: Legal work he did: He never (as many lawyers do not) did any trial work. His legal work involved writing briefs, documents and contracts.

Re: Community Organizer -- his greatest management experience:
3 years more than 20 years ago between the ages of 24 -27.

The job description is here: "His job largely consisted of interviewing community members and creating a narrative out of their experiences, the problems the community faced," says his boss at that time, Gerald Kellman. Source: [Link: www.newsweek.com...]

272 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:06:17am
273 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:08:27am

He does have a history of "reinventing" details and facts to fit his OWN narrative of who he wants to be:

Another example:
Kakugawa a high school classmate and friend:

Back in Hawaii in the 1970s, it could seem that everyone was some kind of a minority. The fact that Obama was half-black and half-white didn't matter much to anyone but Obama, Kakugawa says: "He made everything out like it was all racial." On one occasion, Obama thought he'd gotten a bad break on the school basketball team because he was black. But Kakugawa recalls his father's telling the teenager, "No, Barry, it's not because you're black. It's because you missed two shots in a row."

(Here, Kakugawa's memory is different from Obama's. The Ray character in the book is the one obsessed with being discriminated against.)

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

274 jmaimarc  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:12:58am

Will all you bitter, gun-clinging Proles stop smearing The Chosen One already! Just stop using facts and laws and all that other stuff that make debate so tedious. It doesn't matter to The One if there was a Selective Service Registration law, he considered registering, actually thought about enlisting, it counts as if he really served! And so he's just as qualified as McCain to lead troops into combat.

CHANGE!1!1!

/sarc

275 Idle Drifter  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:14:40am

re: #259 realwest

My apologies to you and those who served with you. I've never been a fan of forcing people to act unless ultimate survival was at stake. Realwest, you did left out the metaphorical "whip" which is the driven need to act. To my shame I should have noted as such. Service to something greater than one's self has been looked upon favorably by ever generation since the dawn of humanity. Yes, there are those who volunteer for the wrong reasons, my only hope is there is a system of further weeding out those that would make poor recruits.

276 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:15:39am

re: #267 Occasional Reader
Thank you.

277 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:17:07am

re: #275 Idle Drifter
No sweat - I knew you didn't mean it in the context in which I put it, but it DOES piss me off when folks knock the overall performance of draftees during Vietnam.

278 Occam's Beard  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:17:14am

re: #273 Nancy

Hawaii is probably the least racist place on earth. The only minority that regularly got disparaged when I was at Punahou was Caucasians. As my coach there used to say, semi-jocularly, "If there's two things I hate, it's race prejudice [sic] and haoles."

Obama's allegations of prejudice against blacks is wishful thinking. His appearance wouldn't attract the slightest bit of notice or comment there.

279 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:18:20am

re: #219 Tigger2005

"Take THAT, McCain/Palin fans! So McCain was a Navy fighter pilot and a prisoner of war for 5 years even if he could have gone home earlier! So Palin can shoot & field dress a moose! OUR guy considered joining the military!"

McCain has already admitted that he almost said yes.
Almost makes him a lot better.

280 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:18:41am

That's wasn't the hatred of the military that he used to know!

281 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:22:32am

This is almost getting ridiculous.

As long as he has an idea but with no intent to act it amounts to the same as having done it.

All he has to do it THINK it!

282 Idle Drifter  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:23:54am

re: #277 realwest

True, I blame Hollywood for making both draftees and volunteers to be a bunch of drug addict, blood thirsty, mindless killers in almost every movie since Vietnam. Though for some reason I can't stop laughing through Full Metal Jacket, probably a product of boot camp in '97 as I look back at all funny stuff said but I was disallowed to laugh at the time.

283 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:23:59am

re: #118 victor_yugo

Mornin' all.

I just wrote the easiest 2,000-word essay of my life.

DING.
and the link was passed on.

284 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:25:45am

re: #262 realwest

October 2nd, 1968.

We seem to have a lot in common. That's almost when I did that.
NOT /

285 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:26:08am

Remember the chickenhawk smear against Bush? Well Barry didn't even try to serve.

286 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:26:40am

re: #278 Occam's Beard

That's exactly what some of his high school friends have said in interviews.
They have countered his claims.

That he was no more discriminated against for being black and if there was any bias it was more towards non-natives whites.

Sounds to me more like he "reinvented" himself as a victim of racial discrimination.

287 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:27:53am

re: #232 The Shadow Do

Nice resume entry:
1979 - Considered joining the military. Did not.

ouch.

288 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:28:50am

Barry should have learned another truth. Omit negative resume entries - Resume Writing 101.

289 livfreeordie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:30:04am

Barry had a Muslim roommate his freshman year at Occidental.
Most colleges would (and many still do) send out forms for incoming students to fill out so that roommates can be matched up.

I wonder if Barry filled out such a form ? Would be nice to get a blank Occidental form from that era to see if religious preference, say, was an option...just aksin....

290 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:31:52am

re: #190 Occam's Beard

Colonel, amazing parallels in our lives. My father was also stationed at Camp Smith, and I too went to Punahou for my last year of high school, at the height of the Vietnam War.

Small world isn't it? Where on Oahu did you live?

291 Macker  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:33:06am

re: #40 transient

If he graduated high school in '79, he would have had to register for Selective Service when it started up in '80. Not immediately upon graduating high school, but certainly when he was in college.

Makes me wonder if he actually registered for the Selective Service....

292 JeremyR  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:33:13am

Obamanation is only a few months older then I am. Since he was born after 1960, he would have been required to register. I remember registering. I was already in the National Guard, and thought it was the most retarded joke to register.
What I wonder about Barry is whether he actually registered. In that time frame he was using an Indonesian passport to travel, is it possible that he did not register? How can we find out?

293 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:35:04am

re: #39 rawmuse

I almost was an astronaut.

I thought about being a rock star.

294 Canadhimmis  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:35:18am

“You know, I actually did,” Obama said. “I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii. And I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there.

“And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option.
..................................

Notice the placement of the word "actually".
Barry "actually" thought that the military is noble and honorable.

295 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:36:15am

And I was growing up in Hawaii. And I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there.

Ah isn't that a lot of NAVY bases?

296 LSD  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:36:21am

"What I meant to say, was AFTER highschool I signed up for Selective Service"

297 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:36:46am

re: #46 rawmuse

Ha, you too, eh? (I'm a slow reader.)

298 LSD  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:37:26am

re: #295 Nancy
Several Services are in Hawaii

299 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:37:38am

Peronsally, I think this story is much ado about nothing.

BHO was asked if he ever thought about serving, and he said he thought about it, but didn't do it (just as just about every adult male has, particularly given the mandatory draft registration).

No news here, especially given that we know he didn't serve.

300 daledog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:39:27am

In other news, John McCain told ABC that he once thought about becoming a community organizer, but there was a war on and he wanted to serve his country in a meaningful fashion.

301 jake341  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:40:09am

In a word, albeit a compound word;

Horseshit.

302 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:40:55am

re: #291 Macker

someone did inquire and got a registration number with the selective service.

The answer is nothing indicates that he did NOT register since there is a record and registration number for him.

303 Occam's Beard  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:41:23am

re: #290 Colonel Panik

We lived in Makalapa, just across Kam Hwy from the gates of Pearl Harbor. How about you?

304 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:42:05am

re: #298 LSD

I know that but isn't is a LOT, largely NAVY not Army?

305 Charles  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:42:50am

re: #299 looking closely

Peronsally, I think this story is much ado about nothing.

BHO was asked if he ever thought about serving, and he said he thought about it, but didn't do it (just as just about every adult male has, particularly given the mandatory draft registration).

No news here, especially given that we know he didn't serve.

The news in this story is simply that Obama is pandering to those very same bitter gun-clingers that he dissed at a San Francisco fundraiser. And he's doing it because he's afraid.

You can almost see the inner voices arguing among themselves when he talks.

306 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:43:37am

re: #300 daledog

That's good.............LOL

307 ZoomieMSgt  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:45:27am

re: #120 Occam's Beard

I almost became a community organizer.


Me too! But then I joined the Air Force. Kinda like a community organizer but with responsibilities.

308 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:48:33am

re: #305 Charles

Exactly.........

Why would he even bring it up? One usually doesn't rely on touting what they THOUGHT of or considered doing but did not as though it contributes to one's character, abilities or qualifications.

309 vagabond trader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:54:46am

Yeah and he actually considered converting to Judaism. STFU.Wait, on second thought why don't you and your VP mate keep on yapping. Very enlightening indeed.

310 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:59:53am

re: #302 Nancy
Huh, do y'all have a link for that? And do you know when he registered?

311 RobCon  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:08:31am

McCain almost became a "community organizer" whatever that is.

312 lostlakehiker  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:11:45am

re: #42 jemima

This effete wussy couldn't go on a march with a 50 lb backpack or hold a rifle up for more than 30 seconds without his arms getting tired. What a freaking liar.

Metrosexuals unite! You have nothing to lose but your man parts.

Obama is too old now for all that. But for his age, he's rather fit. His height and weight are in the range that recruiters look for. With training, his arm strength would have improved. As to carrying a pack, he's got good endurance. He'd do OK on that even now. And he's not actually a wuss. His basketball style is confrontational, and he held his own in the primary debates.

There are so many grounds for criticism that are well founded in fact and reason. Why veer off into simple name calling?

313 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:12:05am

re: #305 Charles

The news in this story is simply that Obama is pandering to those very same bitter gun-clingers that he dissed at a San Francisco fundraiser. And he's doing it because he's afraid.

You can almost see the inner voices arguing among themselves when he talks.

3 days from now, the polling results will be in to see how well it worked ...

314 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:19:59am

re: #308 Nancy

Exactly.........

Why would he even bring it up? One usually doesn't rely on touting what they THOUGHT of or considered doing but did not as though it contributes to one's character, abilities or qualifications.

I repeat. McCain thought about coming home. Not sure if that contributes to his character, though.

315 Maximu§  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:20:03am

But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren’t engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue.”

I joined the Army in October of 1979, because I knew that even in peace time, my country needed me to help keep the peace.

316 lostlakehiker  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:20:18am

re: #289 livfreeordie

Barry had a Muslim roommate his freshman year at Occidental.
Most colleges would (and many still do) send out forms for incoming students to fill out so that roommates can be matched up.

I wonder if Barry filled out such a form ? Would be nice to get a blank Occidental form from that era to see if religious preference, say, was an option...just aksin....

I bet the form had a box you could check, asking to please not match me with anybody from group X. If most people checked the Muslim do-not-match box, and he didn't---

Sniping at Obama on little things misses the point.

Right now, Obama is for nuclear power, but only if we can show it's safe. Well, we've already showed it's safe, to the standard we require for any other activity. Coal mining, which is central to conventional electric power, isn't all that safe. There are mine cave ins. There's radon in the mineshaft air. Etc. And when the coal is burned, the scrubbing isn't perfect. Coal has hazards, but we accept them. Nuclear energy has risks too, but on the record, our own plant designs are safe enough that it'd be an improvement, all in all.

What's more, he thinks global warming is a real and present danger. (Me too, though I don't accept that this means we must shut down all use of fossil fuels, cost what it will.) What does it say about him, that even though he thinks its urgently necessary to sharply reduce fossil fuel use, he's against doing the very thing that has to be done to make that possible?

He opposes actually building a big nuclear electric infrastructure because the waste storage facility would be in Nevada, miles deep in a salt formation, but still, in Harry Reid's Nevada. Faugh.

317 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:21:44am

On a completely different subject:
If there's anybody left in this echo chamber, Boy Scouts are selling popcorn now. I just bought some exiting Sam's Club.

318 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:22:24am

re: #23 sadhu

Colonel Mustard

Major Pain

319 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:22:52am

He already THINKS he has been ordained president and speaks and acts as though it is a reality!

320 vagabond trader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:23:34am

re: #316 lostlakehiker

Just tell him that the French are big into nuke power and he'll get on board with it.

321 mfarmer1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:25:05am

re: #21 Occasional Reader

Ah, so Barry declined because he wouldn't see combat. I get it. You are one serious badass, Barry.

Is ANYONE buying this? I can see the next McCain commercial already, one depicting McCain's service and that of Obama "thinking" about joining the Army but deciding against it since his awesome skills as a soldier were no longer needed.

Speaking of polls, Gallup has McCain up by three today. I don't think McCain has even been running any of those effective ads he used prior to the RNC.

322 Octohedron[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:30:58am
323 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:31:50am

re: #187 MandyManners

re: #163 crimsonfisted

Goddessoftheclassroom posted it yesterday.


Thank you Goddess, too!

324 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:32:07am

re: #314 jwb7605

Of course McCain would have thought about coming home. And he certainly would have thought about it when he was faced with the decision of accepting an early release and did not because he followed military protocol.

325 Scorch  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:33:38am

Glad we still had the draft back in 69 when I signed up. At that time you either went to college or were drafted. Now in my golden years I dont have to worry about making a buffoon out of myself by saying I thought about it but did not join after all.

326 Banner  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:34:01am

They made me sign up for selective service when I was already in the military :-) (it was a paperwork thing) because I never had (I graduated in 77 and wasn't required too). Then I had to bring paperwork back to my CO showing that I couldn't sign up for it because I fell outside of the required years. Then they had to forward that up the chain to get that whole paperwork issue straigthened out.

Being in those 3 exempted years really did make for some interesting paperwork issues.

327 vagabond trader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:34:38am

re: #324 Nancy

Honor,not protocol.

328 themaninthestripedsuit  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:46:16am

The left will point out that Sarah never registered for the draft.

329 Spiny Norman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:51:51am

re: #305 Charles

The news in this story is simply that Obama is pandering to those very same bitter gun-clingers that he dissed at a San Francisco fundraiser. And he's doing it because he's afraid.

You can almost see the inner voices arguing among themselves when he talks.

Duck Season! Wabbit Season!

330 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:56:21am

re: #6 MandyManners

How many Army bases were in Hawaii at the time?

Hawai'i has always been mostly Navy. Home of the Pacific fleet. The Army's best known was Schofield Barracks.

331 rsb1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:00:37pm

September 4, 1980 is when Sen. Obama registered, according to [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
He graduated in 1979, but wasn't required to register until July 1980 and registered in September 1980.
Time sure does fly when you're doing a little "pot" and "blow", doesn't it?

332 CDRSalamander  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:16:58pm

"Vietnam war had come to an end ..."

In 1979? Well, depending on how you want to slice it - Vietnam ended for the US in 1972 and for freedom in 1975 .... so ..... that would be 7 and 4 years.

I guess then for us the Clinton Administration had just come to an end, or Sen. Kerry (D-MA) just "reported for duty."

Sad.

333 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:22:50pm

re: #278 Occam's Beard

The only minority that regularly got disparaged when I was at Punahou was Caucasians. As my coach there used to say, semi-jocularly, "If there's two things I hate, it's race prejudice [sic] and haoles."

A friend of mine lived there during the 80's with her Filipino husband. She was routinely (and maliciously) discriminated against and called a haole. (pronounced How-leh). I'd like to know what Barry would have to say about this behavior since it's so entrenched and widespread there---or didn't he notice?

334 Mustang0302  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:34:19pm

re: #193 Basho

Obviously, BHO's never heard of at least three names that made it happen: Sir Isaac Newton, Robert Goddard, and Jeff "Skunk" Baxter!

335 kingkenrod  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:20:14pm

re: #271 Nancy

I pulled the dates from a number of sources in order to create a “timeline” since as this article shows, he has a tendency to be inaccurate or misleading especially about dates and details.

Obama: born August 4, 1961
Here’s the sum total of Obama’s experience

Graduated High School in Hawaii 1979
1979-1981 Enrolled at Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years.
(Note: Occidental had 1,675 kids enrolled, and only 17.7 percent were minorities.)
1981 transferred to Columbia University in New York City
1983: Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia
1983-84: worked for a year at the Business International Corporation
1984-85 worked a year for New York Public Interest Research Group
1985 -1988: Chicago a community organizer a church-based community organization (Catholic)
1988- entered Harvard Law School
1989 Summer Intern: Sidley & Austin
1990 Summer Intern Hopkins & Sutter
1991 Graduated from Law School ==became engaged
1992 married on October 3, 1992
1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland,
1993 to 1996 Associate
1996-2004 Of counsel
1997 -2004 State legislator,
1998 -Malia Ann, was born
2001 Natasha ("Sasha"),born
2002 law license became inactive
2004 ran for Senate: serving his first term in Congress.

Re: Inactive Law License 2002: Obama agreed to work for the firm in summer when the legislature was out of session. His law license became inactive in 2002 as politics took over. Simply means he did not renew his license to practice law in Illinois and would not have been able to practice law since then. No evidence it was anything more…..he just didn’t renew it.

Re: Legal work he did: He never (as many lawyers do not) did any trial work. His legal work involved writing briefs, documents and contracts.

Re: Community Organizer -- his greatest management experience:
3 years more than 20 years ago between the ages of 24 -27.

The job description is here: "His job largely consisted of interviewing community members and creating a narrative out of their experiences, the problems the community faced," says his boss at that time, Gerald Kellman. Source: [Link: www.newsweek.com...]

If he was at Occidental in Los Angeles in 1980, then he wasn't even living in Hawaii when selective service was re-instated.

The second part of his statement is confusing. Is he saying he would have been more likely to join the military if there had been an active war going on?

And we were actually close to war at the time - with Iran. The failed Iranian hostage rescue attempt happened in April 1980. Not that Carter would ever have done that...

336 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:30:48pm

Interesting note about the so called "exempt period". I was born during that time, had already served in the military and was, in fact, a commissioned officer in the Army Reserve while still in college. I had to sign up for the selective service in order to insure that I could get a guaranteed student loan for my last semester in college.

337 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:46:06pm

re: #305 Charles

The news in this story is simply that Obama is pandering to those very same bitter gun-clingers that he dissed at a San Francisco fundraiser. And he's doing it because he's afraid.

You can almost see the inner voices arguing among themselves when he talks.


While I don't diagree with you that he's pandering and likely afraid, that's not my read on this particular answer.

Obama has a well-earned reputation of being anti-military, and he knows it.

He voted to cut off military funding to Iraq, said the surge wasn't yielding results (and was in fact making things worse!), and, of course, cancelled his visit to the troops in Germany.

Now he's asked a question about whether or not he ever considered joining the military. He can answer "yes", "no" or simply not answer at all.

"No" would be a politically damaging answer for a potential commander-in-chief, especially during wartime. Not answering would be even worse. That leaves "yes" as the only politically expedient answer.

Considering he didn't actually serve, "yes" would require clarification, which he provided (if not necessarily convincingly).

The point is, though, that asked the same exact question, short of a physical disability or disqualification from service, you'd get more or less the same answer from just about ANY politician who didn't serve: "Yes, I thought about it, but eventually decided it wasn't right for me".

So I don't interpret his weak answer by itself as particularly damning, even if it is less than 100% honest.

338 pittrader1988  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:47:03pm

I don't think that Obama ever seriously considered the service.

I remember going to the post office and filling out my card. I had just dropped out of the USAFA!

Everyone had to sign up-and there were a few people that did not sign up as a form of protest. Many of us had family that were in Viet Nam; so there was still some anti war sentiment.

Iraq was an issue, but I don't think we thought seriously about going to war over it. Russia and the Cold War was a far greater problem.

Obama is playing to the crowd that values service. McCain has served his country, and his family has a history of service. Both of his sons are in the military.

Obviously, there are more ways to serve your country. But it's a choice. Community organizer is one way to do it, but serving in the military is different. Generally, as a Community organizer you are not putting yourself in harms way for the freedom of your fellow citizens. Obama was an organizer for far left wing organizations. ACORN among one of them. He was not necessarily out there tutoring children and trying to raise standards of living. He was furthering the entrenchment of the entitlement society.

339 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:48:22pm

re: #335 kingkenrod

The second part of his statement is confusing. Is he saying he would have been more likely to join the military if there had been an active war going on?


LOL.

My parsing is that he's saying the ONLY way he would have joined the military was if there were a war going on, (ie IF HE WERE DRAFTED!).

340 kevinmumaw  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:07:03pm
But the fact remains that Obama said he was required to register “when he graduated,” and that’s simply not true.

If this were Daily Kos, I'd demand a World Court Investigation and pre-emptive impeachment of Obama. Instead I will go back and watch some more FOOTBALL!

341 desertdweller  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:43:10pm
Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration.

Yep, this is true. His birthday 8/4/61 means he should have registered for selective service.

342 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:45:00pm
343 SteveRogers  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:54:07pm

Obama also considered visiting the wounded troops in Germany.
Before he went to the gym for a PR stunt.

344 SteveRogers  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:00:39pm

re: #312 lostlakehiker

Obama is too old now for all that. But for his age, he's rather fit. His height and weight are in the range that recruiters look for. With training, his arm strength would have improved. As to carrying a pack, he's got good endurance. He'd do OK on that even now. And he's not actually a wuss. His basketball style is confrontational, and he held his own in the primary debates.

There are so many grounds for criticism that are well founded in fact and reason. Why veer off into simple name calling?

Because SnObama IS a wuss!

345 mrcaniac  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:05:17pm

I thought of a new nickname for Obama while watching this.

"Cruiser"

346 rabidfox  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:19:37pm

re: #74 MandyManners

because it's patronizing as hell.

347 rabidfox  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:28:27pm

re: #115 MandyManners
You're confusing support troops with REMFs. Support troops do all those things, REMFs walk around pretending to be tough warriors and making life difficult for everyone.

348 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:54:09pm

re: #167 Colonel Panik

I'd have to echo you on that one.
My dad had been a helicopter pilot and I wanted to be an aviator as well, but I inherited my mother's myopia. I did consider becoming a bubblehead at one point.

Not a Bubblehead! As my surface sailor compadres and I (also known as target sailors) used to say about bubbleheads:
160 men go down and 80 couples come up. ;)

349 NoSubmission  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:59:57pm

Oh ya, sure. He almost joined the military...

He DID however, join a racist church for 20 YEARS!

350 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 4:02:26pm

re: #189 kcladderman

I really enjoyed my time aboard the USS Independence and twenty three years after walking off of her for the last time. Certain things take me back onboard almost daily.

Same thing for me and the U.S.S. Forrestal. I stepped off her for the final time in October of 1980, after almost 4 and a half years. Lots of fond memories. After they decommissioned her, they were going to turn her into a training carrier, then a floating museum. The last I heard, they were going to sink her as an artificial reef. How sad...but I guess it's better than the old "turn her into razor blades".

351 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 4:35:18pm

Either way, he was still being awfully choosy as to which military conflict he wanted to enlist for that he didn't enlist at all.

352 Alianora  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 5:00:55pm
re:#77 Dustyvet
I was with the Hawaii Army National Guard in 1974, those where the only three in Hawaii at that time. There is or was a training area on the Big Island whose name I can't spell which was run by the United States Army 25th Infantry Division.

Pohakuloa Training Area, or PTA as it's also know (wonder why?), and it's still there. After spelling it about 50 times a few weeks ago while building network configs for the PX there, it's stuck with me.

353 DANEgerus  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 5:15:29pm

Just like Hillary "almost" joined the Marines... and "almost" became an Astronaut... and "almost" got shot at in Bosnia...

354 RTLM  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 5:26:42pm

Ah - the dissection and of another Obama lie. Fred Thompson you ‘magnificent bastard’!

Obama will likely attempt to rescind the statement early this week. Or at least spin into some sort of class-envy blame game. Then he’ll have to explain/defend that idiocy. Stupid upon stupider.

Obama’s going to have a busy week this week.

355 soccerdad  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 7:53:10pm

Get something better to jump him about. This is BS

I graduated in 1978 and I understood it was my duty to register...and I did of course. (later joined the navy and just finished my 20).

Obamessiah was probably as misguided as I. Not another lie, just (probably) a misunderstanding of the requirement.

356 noodle213  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:02:40pm

The only good thing about this was I was exempt due to my having already served my time. Why the scumbag Carter reinstated it is another thing altogether. Noticed Clinton didn't dump it. Also that Bush never used it HUMMMM.

357 Scion9  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 2:59:33am

I'm sure he did 'consider' joining the military, coming out of high school as a self admitted mediocre student, as someplace to go. I think you would be hard pressed to find among even far left rebel without a clue 18 year olds fresh out of high school that have not 'considered' enlisting.

That part I believe. However, that he viewed it as an ennobling experience or a calling worthy of praise I seriously doubt. It was an option on the table, for its benefits and job security.

Not that many of America's warriors aren't swayed by rational self interest into signing up as a way to go to college, but there is a difference between a mediocre high school student unsure of what direction to actually take in life putting the military on the table and quickly rejecting it out of hand and all of those would-be heroes and actual patriots that upon reaching military age did serious soul searching in regards to serving in the defense of our country, our people, and our beloved way of life, and then decided upon a civilian life instead for any number of reasons.

There is a difference between the servicemen and women that signed up and seriously considered signing up out of honest patriotism, out of a familial legacy of service to their country, out of a desire to protect their fellow Americans and the world from the evil forces of Communists, and Jihadists attempting to spread their brands of slavery, and out of a desire to seek vengeance against those same for their assualts on the free everywhere; there is a difference between these people and those self serving careerists that would use the military or in this case just the specter of service to promote themselves.

That the ever opportunistic Barack Obama 'considered' serving, I fully believe, but it is telling to me that in his biographies he doesn't mention it. It seems more likely to me that he is not completely lying about that consideration now, but that when writing his biographies he did not, in fact, see service to our country as 'ennobling' at all and omitted that (to him) shameful and semi-desperate thought process that would have led him down that road.

358 wltzacrsstxs  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 8:54:27am

Obama's b-day is 8/4/61

He graduated high school in 1979 at ... 17 (turned 18 in Aug).

Even if Selec Service registration had been required in '79, he didn't have to register until 30 days from 8/4/79. somebody ought to remind BO that registration date depends on your birthday, not when you graduate high school.

B/c registrations were staggered based on birth month, when Carter reinstated in July '80, BO probably did not have to register until the end of '80. Note that Charles link says Jan, Feb, March registered July 1980. Logically, April May June followed, THEN BO's group of July, Aug, Sept.

I wonder if he actually did register? Is that info available through a FOIA request?

359 JimK  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 9:08:38am

Hmm. I don't often comment, but the remarks here have been a little over the top. I graduated high school in 1978 and had to register with the Selective Service. Do I remember the year I registered? Of course not. What I do remember is my leftie neighbor at the Post Office telling me not to do it!

I did like Obama's remark about not signing up for the military because there wasn't a war going on. Right! LOL!

360 Clubcar  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 7:49:37pm

I wouldn't be too hard on him. If asked, I would say I registered in 1978 as required by the law, but apparently, the law required that I registered in 1980... and on further reflection that seems about right.

but then people like me don't give military service a lot of thought. I'm happy to go if called up since I'm an Army brat... and I served over 7 years in the Navy after graduating college.

361 MJR  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 11:15:13pm

Wake up and smell the lies... typical democrat crap-weasel, but we already knew that.

362 tubbyhubby  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 2:47:46am

re: #210 Northpaw

Thing is, I too graduated in 1979 and remember having to go to the post office to sign up for Selective Service.It may have been optional, can't remember for sure but definitely remember doing it. Not that I believe for one second that Obama considered the military as a career choice. Yeah, I had Marine recruiters at my house a couple of times, guess that makes me almost a Marine. Not. LOL

I't been a while, but I also remember registering. I seem to recall there was no mechanism yet determined for what constituted a national emergency requiring the draft to become active (is there one now?) but we all pretty much felt a burning sensation coming from our wallets the night we got the news about Jimmah's failed Delta force rescue attempt.


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