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Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:37:58 am PDT

Oops!

Youtube Video

Luckily, he has ABC News and George Stephanopoulos to jump in and correct him.

UPDATE at 9/7/08 1:26:13 pm:

Please note: I’m absolutely not saying that Obama has made a shocking Freudian slip and revealed a secret devotion to Islam. This is posted because it shows that Obama’s getting seriously rattled by all this attention, and making dumb mistakes as a result.

And it’s also interesting to see a supposedly “impartial” interviewer rushing to correct his mistake.

UPDATE at 9/7/08 2:27:21 pm:

Just for the record, here’s a longer version of this clip, showing the conversation before and after the section shown above: Hot Air: No, Obama didn’t “admit” to being a Muslim on ABC.

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1 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:13am

taqiyas interruptus

2 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:16am

Who wrote this script?

3 USA  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:26am

That is going to leave a mark.

4 Crepuscular Prick  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:39:33am

Uh oh!

5 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:40:10am

Leave it to George to try to bail him out - sorry tooo laaate!

6 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:40:21am

What is the date of this interview?

7 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:40:25am

Thanks for helping there again George.

8 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:40:36am

Uh...um...eh...oh shit!

9 bryantay  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:40:36am

noticed how quickly George corrected him...

10 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:40:52am

Missed it by that much!

11 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:40:58am

I guess he was tired like when he was talking about the "breathalyzer"

12 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:04am

re: #6 goddessoftheclassroom

What is the date of this interview?

a couple of hours ago..i watched it..it was funny

13 DM Glampers  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:14am

Although I get great pleasure from all the jokes about the 57 states, I believe this is another example of simply a slip of the tongue. (Made more likely due to the fact that the interview was teleprompter-free.)

14 jones  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:20am

It isn't the Islam he knew though.

Great orator.

15 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:21am

ROFLMAO!

Never leave home without your teleprompter, BHO.

16 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:35am
Oops!

/Oops!

17 vapig  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:43am

I love it! Keeping talking Barry.

18 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:45am

Throw his puppeteer under the bus

19 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:50am

Yes Barack you are a Muslim - stand up and be proud!

20 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:41:53am

Why does the interviewer correct him?

21 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:42:05am

The youtube clip is titled, "obama gaffes on faith".

It was not a gaffe in the sense of a freudian slip, it was just that he left out the word "alleged", 0bambi was just being a little too glib.

22 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:42:08am

this is gonna go viral..

thanks charles for posting it.
after all the lies and slander spread by the Kos Kids and a Obamadroids about Palin, a gaffe like this is worthy of exposure.

23 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:42:23am

re: #6 goddessoftheclassroom

What is the date of this interview?

Show aired this morning on ABC.

24 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:42:32am

He joined the Mahdi Army a long time ago.

25 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:42:43am

The 527's just found the B-1 Bomber!

26 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:42:46am

re: #24 MandyManners

He joined the Mahdi Army a long time ago.

almost

27 alexwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:43:03am

Dang Nittaly Muslims!

28 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:43:51am

There go all 57 states.

29 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:43:53am

That isn't the first time that phrase has left his lips. The fact that he didn't catch it immediately betrays him.

30 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:44:13am

He just has to stop being flip when talking about a religion that kills infidels or his belief in infantacide.

31 Luigi  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:44:19am

I simply do not understand how any Muslim can vote for this man. He is the only one in the race who has implied there is anything wrong with being a Muslim.

32 ProUSA  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:44:21am

"But, uh, um, if you listen to what I have consitently said . . . um, uh, um. uh . . . I have clearly said, um, that I am a muslim, uh . . . [damn -- did it again], I mean black liberation, [darn it again, where's the teleprompter?], clearly my Christian faith is what I want to say."

/Osama Biden Obama

33 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:44:25am
34 RickZ  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:44:38am

The Obama looks down and to the right when responding. Not a good thing in the body language department.

35 TheMedianSib  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:44:45am

Funny! I agree with #13 DM Glampers that it was just a slip of the tongue. It does highlight that he rather bumbles along in a non-scripted environment.

36 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:44:56am

One man sleeper cell

37 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:45:20am

George, why don't you just tell him to sit tight as you explain his public policy

38 Basho  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:45:35am

re: #26 Shug

ROFLMAO!

39 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:45:35am

re: #20 MandyManners

Why does the interviewer correct him?

Cuz Stephanopolous had more sense about how badly that sounded, than did 0bambi. Note that 0bambi stays with it even after the attempted correction.

0bambi really has a tin ear about a lot of things, and I'll bet a lot of that is his formative years not in the USA. Maybe we should be glad, then again, maybe his ideas would be more reasonable if his early training and instincts were more American.

40 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:45:40am

I didn't catch this, but watched a few minutes of Chris Wallace interviewing David Axelrod on FNS. He made a point to evade all the questions simply because he only had a limited amount of time to spew his "talking points." All his answers to questions about Obama contained the name "McCain." Axelrod is a total worm.

41 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:45:46am

re: #29 victor_yugo

That isn't the first time that phrase has left his lips. The fact that he didn't catch it immediately betrays him.


I don't know about that..I often slip and talk about my muslem faith..
I just slips out...
/

42 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:46:07am

Can we get more hokey with that background?

He's really kissing the collective ass of us bitter bible clinging gun owners, isn't he?

43 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:46:13am

re: #34 RickZ

The Obama looks down and to the right when responding. Not a good thing in the body language department.


Lets get that body language expert from the Factor on that clip

44 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:46:44am

[Link: www.reddit.com...]

its annoyed the leftist hordes on reddit.com
5 up votes, 10 down votes.

45 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:46:56am

re: #40 rwmofo

Axelrod is a total worm.

Werd.

Saw him listed, and didn't turn it on.

Chris Wallace irritates the heck out of me anyway, third-rate interviewer.

46 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:46:56am

re: #37 wright1

George, why don't you just tell him to sit tight as you explain his public policy

Bullseye.

47 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:47:15am

Can't wait to hear that loop on Rush and Hannity.

48 rasachema  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:47:15am

O'Reilly and Stephanopoulos have NOT helped barry this week...at all.

49 Killian Bundy[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:47:25am
50 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:47:27am

Hey, look at the background to the shot, George obviously interrupted Obama while he was taking up hay at the family farm; give the guy a break!

51 llanite  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:47:44am

Consider this
The hint of the century
Consider this
The slip that brought me
To my knees failed
What if all these fantasies
Come flailing around
Now I've said too much
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try

But that was just a dream
That was just a dream...

All thanks to REM :-)

52 RedWinged Blackbird  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:48:04am
53 Crepuscular Prick  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:48:11am

Going viral.

What will that do to the polls.

54 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:48:24am

re: #34 RickZ

The Obama looks down and to the right when responding. Not a good thing in the body language department.

What does that indicate?

55 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:48:32am

You can say it Barakus M-U-S-L-I-M! There doesn't that feel better.

56 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:48:46am

re: #50 Occasional Reader

Hey, look at the background to the shot, George obviously interrupted Obama while he was taking up hay at the family farm; give the guy a break!

See my above, and I add, there should have been more hay scattered decorativley about...to give it that casual, everyday, I work my ass off look.

57 Luigi  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:48:46am

re: #54 MandyManners

What does that indicate?

He's looking for a place to pray.

58 baxtrice  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:49:28am

Obama can't even say anything without making a gaffe or talking in circles, and people want to elect him President? And Obama's supporters are the ones saying that McCain's got Alzheimer's, and can't get the facts straight, bwahahaha.

59 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:49:32am

re: #57 Luigi

He's looking for a place to pray.


Where is my prayer rug - dang it.

60 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:49:33am

re: #50 Occasional Reader

Hey, look at the background to the shot, George obviously interrupted Obama while he was taking up hay at the family farm; give the guy a break!

Was the setting chosen for some reason?

61 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:49:43am
62 Lynn B.  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:49:51am

He considered the Muslim faith as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option.

63 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:50:06am

re: #44 buzzdroid

[Link: www.reddit.com...]

its annoyed the leftist hordes on reddit.com
5 up votes, 10 down votes.

klyde 3 points 27 minutes ago
The type of brilliant editing you can only get from the douche bag right

The One is never wrong!111!eleven11111

64 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:50:22am

re: #43 wright1

The Obama looks down and to the right when responding. Not a good thing in the body language department.

Lets get that body language expert from the Factor on that clip

He also keeps this little half-smile going way too often, not to mention the head tilt upwards or sideways.

McCain does some inappropriate smiling, too, I've noticed. Well, that's part of how you become a senator, I guess.

65 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:50:38am

Please.

/someone reassure me this has no chance of happening!

66 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:50:42am

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

I thought that was the old Hee Haw set.


Barry was going moose hunting afterward.

67 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:50:59am

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

I thought that was the old Hee Haw set.

BHO needs to call BR-549 to get a clue.

68 Mordecai  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:51:02am

As my IT friends would say... OWNED!

And how kind of his interviewer to correct him as to hide again the True Colors of The Chosen One.

69 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:51:07am

re: #66 wright1

Barry was going moose hunting afterward.


Only more like a moose would be Barry hunting.

70 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:51:11am

re: #49 Killian Bundy

Think twice before posting things like that. Please.

71 Elcid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:51:20am

This may be a teaching of his "muslim faith". This "messiah" does seem awfully ANTI FEMALE.

Check this out: If you don't stay home Sarah, you're a bad, bad, bad mommie and wife..

Bad, bad...Sarah

I guess NOW that Michelle is proud, he lets her out of the house, without her burka.

Honestly...she'd look better with one ON.

72 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:51:35am

re: #36 Ojoe

One man sleeper cell

When your simultaneously Emperor of the World and President of the US, you don't need a larger cell - someone just needs to make damn sure the cell is padded and the restraining-belts are cinched tight.

73 Lynn B.  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:52:16am

re: #40 rwmofo

I didn't catch this, but watched a few minutes of Chris Wallace interviewing David Axelrod on FNS. He made a point to evade all the questions simply because he only had a limited amount of time to spew his "talking points." All his answers to questions about Obama contained the name "McCain." Axelrod is a total worm.

Axelrod was terrible. But I didn't think Rick Davis was all that much better. He came off sounding like he's keeping a leash on Palin. Not a good impression.

74 RickZ  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:52:17am

re: #54 MandyManners

From what I remember, deception. Looking up is good, though. This site says it's shame. But I do know that when you are talking with someone and they are looking down for the answer to a question, watch out for the whoppers that are sure to follow.

75 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:52:29am

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

I thought that was the old Hee Haw set.


it was here in Indiana
I guess we are all hicks here so the hay was so ...homey?

76 Gang of One[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:52:29am
77 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:52:35am

"...that I'm, that I'm, that I'm a Muslim..."

Shifty eyes, stammering tongue, all suggest insincerity.

Does he always seem so smug, so arrogant, so self-righteous? He's insufferable.

That man wants to sit on both sides of the fence and gets angry if anyone mentions it.

Don't trust him, America!

78 Thanos  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:52:47am

It's easy for community organizers to become confused like this because they have to empathize with everyone while doing nothing else.


/that said, it's time to start the fire in the smoker, Pork baby back ribs today.

79 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:13am

I caught a few minutes of Brokaw interviewing Biden on MTP and felt about as attracted to those two as if I were watching my two ex-wives. Brokaw took easily over 60 seconds to ask Biden a question. If I were Biden, I would have said "So was there a question?" I think that Biden's answer was "Hey, at least we're not Republicans."

80 livefreeor die  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:21am

That's a hell of a "slip of the tongue".
Next up, he'll accidentally say Ramadan instead of Christmas. No biggie.

81 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:26am

re: #56 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

to give it that casual, everyday, I work my ass off look.

And he does heavy farm labor while looking fabulous in an Armani suit with a Charvet tie... isn't he dreamy?

82 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:31am

No need for Palin to do any interviews with Barakus flapping his gums

83 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:39am
84 Uncle Sticky  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:40am

Has anyone else noticed that Google's YouTube shows that ONLY 244 people have viewed this video?

Of course, after I viewed it, and my brother viewed it, it was still 244.

Then I added a comment and it was NOT posted.

Nice going Google. Freedom of speech! China would approve.

85 ProUSA  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:43am

re: #73 Lynn B.

Axelrod was terrible. But I didn't think Rick Davis was all that much better. He came off sounding like he's keeping a leash on Palin. Not a good impression.

I had the same impressions.

86 dahozho  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:53:46am

I'm not so sure its 'just a slip.' Obama was with a sympathetic interviewer, and that's a comfort zone. As the "rev" Wright is also an apostate, could this be a little ray of truth? I hope we never know.

87 Dustyvet  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:54:33am

re: #20 MandyManners

Why does the interviewer correct him?

Somebody had to do it...:)

88 jamgarr  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:54:36am

Another BO slip from below

A Barrack clip on Fox just now (on the FannieMae issue) that he has been advocating for two years a "crackdown on reckless borrowers"!

Freud is really slipping today.

89 livefreeor die  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:54:37am

re: #78 Thanos

It's easy for community organizers to become confused like this because they have to empathize with everyone while doing nothing else.


/that said, it's time to start the fire in the smoker, Pork baby back ribs today.

We've got our smoker going today too. Sunday football!

90 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:55:02am

re: #66 wright1

Barry was going moose hunting afterward.

Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...

[okay, I'll stop]

91 Bill Amos  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:55:14am
MandyManners 9/07/08 9:41:53 am

Why does the interviewer correct him?

Because he realized barry wouldnt have caught it himself. Stephan was playing telepromptor for Obama.

92 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:55:53am

re: #71 Elcid

This may be a teaching of his "muslim faith". This "messiah" does seem awfully ANTI FEMALE.

Check this out: If you don't stay home Sarah, you're a bad, bad, bad mommie and wife..

Bad, bad...Sarah

I guess NOW that Michelle is proud, he lets her out of the house, without her burka.

Honestly...she'd look better with one ON.

That's the same bastard who defended a Weather Underground terrorist.

[Link: perfunction.typepad.com...]

93 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:56:01am

re: #86 dahozho

I'm not so sure its 'just a slip.' Obama was with a sympathetic interviewer, and that's a comfort zone. As the "rev" Wright is also an apostate, could this be a little ray of truth? I hope we never know.


Frankly it doesn't matter. Politics is a game of "gotcha" and Hussein just got caught.

94 Gang of One  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:56:26am

re: #90 Occasional Reader

Thanks.

95 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:56:27am

re: #74 RickZ

From what I remember, deception. Looking up is good, though. This site says it's shame. But I do know that when you are talking with someone and they are looking down for the answer to a question, watch out for the whoppers that are sure to follow.

I did not know that.

96 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:56:28am

Let there be football !

97 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:56:33am

re: #50 Occasional Reader

Hey, look at the background to the shot, George obviously interrupted Obama while he was taking up hay at the family farm; give the guy a break!

I thought it was my lousy computer that made his eyes look kinda stoned, but now I wonder if it was his hayfever medication. That would explain his lack of attention to the words coming out of his own mouth.

/

98 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:57:14am

re: #73 Lynn B.

Axelrod was terrible. But I didn't think Rick Davis was all that much better. He came off sounding like he's keeping a leash on Palin. Not a good impression.

I was probably watching MTP then. I maxed out on Axelrod after about 3-4 minutes and grabbed the remote.

99 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:58:10am

re: #76 Gang of One

Ahhh, Killian, you don't really mean that, right?

/well, metaphorically, hell yes!

100 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:58:14am

Axlerod is a bad liar.

but good enough for the sheeple Obama supporters

101 livefreeor die  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:58:17am

So they hauled the whole ABC crew out to a barn in the Midwest to interview him.
Real fair and balanced.
/

102 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:58:29am

re: #96 Shug

Let there be football !

Now we're talking. Let's see, Madden is on tonight and those clowns from ESPN do Monday nights now, right?

103 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:58:36am

re: #87 Dustyvet

Somebody had to do it...:)

It's bad journalism.

104 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:58:44am

re: #97 Josephine

I thought it was my lousy computer that made his eyes look kinda stoned, but now I wonder if it was his hayfever medication. That would explain his lack of attention to the words coming out of his own mouth.

/

Well, if it worked for Ellen Feiss...

105 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:59:07am

re: #101 livefreeor die

So they hauled the whole ABC crew out to a barn in the Midwest to interview him.
Real fair and balanced.
/


It was either that or Mount Olympus

106 Guy_Montag  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:59:15am

This clip isn't fair. This small town politician is merely clinging to his guns and his Muslim faith, bitterly I might add. Making a joke about his lifestyle is hitting below the belt.

/

107 crimeshark  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:59:17am

Yup. He almost joined the military. He also almost became a Christian, but went with Reverend Wright's church instead.

Who knew that when he said he almost joined the military, he really meant the PALESTINIAN military?

108 livefreeor die  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:59:27am

re: #102 rwmofo

Now we're talking. Let's see, Madden is on tonight and those clowns from ESPN do Monday nights now, right?

Yes, Madden tonight and two MNF games tomorrow. But since ESPN is doing the MNF games, that's kind of like getting socks for Christmas.

109 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:59:58am

Please tell me that this will get coverage, and will not disappear down the rabbit hole.

110 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:00:16am
111 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:00:18am

re: #107 crimeshark

Good one - yes Hamas still has an open ended invitation

112 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:00:40am

re: #101 livefreeor die

So they hauled the whole ABC crew out to a barn in the Midwest to interview him.
Real fair and balanced.
/

The word was that besides the media loving Clinton, they loved where he went on vacation (Martha's Vineyard, the rockies) because they got to tag along.

Then GWB starts taking vacations in Crawford, TX. Arrrggghhh!

Heh.

113 uptight  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:00:54am

This means he's either a covert Muslim or woefully inarticulate.

114 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:01:27am

re: #95 MandyManners

I did not know that.


Well quite frankly, that is above my pay grade..
/I still haven't figured out why sheep don't shrink in the rain..

115 livefreeor die  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:01:38am

re: #112 rwmofo

The word was that besides the media loving Clinton, they loved where he went on vacation (Martha's Vineyard, the rockies) because they got to tag along.

Then GWB starts taking vacations in Crawford, TX. Arrrggghhh!

Heh.

Another plus for Palin-she can haul their behinds up to Alaska.
Go on vacation in February, Sarah!

116 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:01:54am

the viral is spreading ...

[Link: blogsearch.google.com...]

117 rasachema  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:02:03am

the wheels are coming off the Obama train 1 by 1.

118 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:02:18am

re: #112 rwmofo

just think about this then. Summers in Sedona, AZ, winters in Wasilla, AK.

Hey it's a dry heat, and a dry cold

119 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:02:52am

There's a new story from the National Enquirer about SP cheating on Todd.

120 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:02:58am

re: #65 Killian Bundy

Please.

/someone reassure me this has no chance of happening!


what?

121 Syrah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:03:11am

Oops is right.

Good work there Stephie. You could have just let him finish his thought, but, well, you had a candidate and a party to protect.

122 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:03:30am

re: #119 Sparkizzy

There's a new story from the National Enquirer about SP cheating on Todd.

Old, recycled news.

123 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:03:54am

I understand the point ZerObama was making and it was not that he is Muslim.

He is a socialist/progressive/friend-of-domestic-terrorist candidate.

NObama!

124 Thanos  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:03:59am

There's a lie in there as well:

"He has suggested that I am a muslim".

Wrong.

125 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:04:04am

re: #108 livefreeor die

Yes, Madden tonight and two MNF games tomorrow. But since ESPN is doing the MNF games, that's kind of like getting socks for Christmas.

LOL. That just reminded me of some of my fondest moments of Christmas as a kid when my older brother would look at me and say, "Hmmm, I wonder if you got me socks again?" Eventually I cut him off for not being a little more gracious.

126 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:04:08am

re: #122 smokefire

Old, recycled news.

Like their "America Sucks" meme.

127 The Shadow Do  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:04:24am

re: #115 livefreeor die

Another plus for Palin-she can haul their behinds up to Alaska.
Go on vacation in February, Sarah!

Then follow her with cameras on a pleasant little caribou hunt.

128 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:04:24am

re: #104 victor_yugo
Um, who is Ellen Feiss?

129 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:04:45am

re: #122 smokefire

Old, recycled newsslander.

Fixed.

130 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:04:53am

re: #122 smokefire

Old, recycled news.

I thought so, but I wasn't sure.

131 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:04:58am

re: #123 IslandLibertarian

I understand the point ZerObama was making and it was not that he is Muslim.

He is a socialist/progressive/friend-of-domestic -terrorist candidate.

NObama!

...neighborhood organizer too, don't forget

132 jas  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:05:10am

The Obama campaign seems to be self-destructing right before our eyes. Every meme tihe media tried to sell about him - change, his speaking ability, a new kind of politician - does not hold up when viewed in the stark light of public scrutiny. Frankly, it's not so much that he said "Muslim faith"; rather he looks like he's lost control of the whole campaign. McCain played this one so brilliantly that I'm not even sure if he and his campaign realized how great the results could be, and how quickly they'd take place.

133 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:05:12am

re: #119 Sparkizzy

There's a new story from the National Enquirer about SP cheating on Todd.

Thats great..now we will get a 100% of the Hillary vote.
/

134 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:05:20am

Later.

135 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:05:25am

I'm sorry, did people think I meant Palin should shoot Obama like a bloody, dead caribou as she does to instill blood thirst in her children?

Well, no.

/my bad, again, sorry

136 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:05:49am

re: #109 smokefire

Please tell me that this will get coverage, and will not disappear down the rabbit hole.

Helloieee...MSM completely and totally in the tank for Obama... This has already gone down the memory hole, only us mean racist gun and bible clinging rethuglican conservatives are paying any attention to it... lol...lol...lol...

137 Luigi  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:05:49am

I hope its okay to repost a link I found this morning.

MaggiesFarm today linked to an interview Nancy Pelosi's did for Ladies Home Journal a few years ago that sounds like an endorsement of Sarah Palin ..

[Link: www.poorandstupid.com...]


LHJ: You are a mother of five and were a homemaker for many years before entering politics. You say in your book that the skills you honed doing those things were the same ones you needed when you got to Congress. How so?

NP: Absolutely, and this is what I want women to know, so they recognize the value of their own path, their unique experience. I've been in politics a while, over 20 years in the Congress of the United States, and this is a very rough-and-tumble... I shouldn't say 'rough,' let me say a very challenging arena to be in. But as challenging as it is, nothing is as challenging as raising a family -- nothing. That experience forced me to be disciplined, diplomatic, focused, and successful, and I brought that discipline and focus to the Congress. Also, having a family keeps you focused on the future, which is the biggest inspiration in politics. In order to do what it takes to succeed in politics, you have to be inspired by your constituents, the power of your ideas, and the fact that you speak on behalf of children and their future, whether you have children of your own or not. It makes all the difference in the world.

138 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:05:52am

re: #133 HoosierHoops

Thats great..now we will get a 100% of the Hillary vote.
/

LMAO

139 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:06:02am

re: #129 Occasional Reader

Thank YOU for the correction.

140 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:06:07am

re: #104 victor_yugo

Well, if it worked for Ellen Feiss...

LOL, I had to look it up. I thought she might have been an Olympic athlete.

Silken Laumann

141 gmsc  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:06:43am

re: #51 llanite

Consider this
The hint of the century
Consider this
The slip that brought me
To my knees failed
What if all these fantasies
Come flailing around
Now I've said too much
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try

But that was just a dream
That was just a dream...

All thanks to REM :-)

Perfect! Funnily enough, that's from the song, "Losing My Religion."

Hmmm . . . somebody add this one to the long list of Obama bloopers.

142 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:06:59am

re: #132 jas

The Obama campaign seems to be self-destructing right before our eyes.


I'm not that optimistic. Obama is surely fumbling a lot these days but the press is still very friendly to him and that really helps him. We'll see how this all plays out but it's going to be close.

143 Macker  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:07:03am

re: #80 livefreeor die

That's a hell of a "slip of the tongue".
Next up, he'll accidentally say Ramadan instead of Christmas. No biggie.

Come to think of it, it's Ramadan now, right?

144 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:08:06am

re: #136 doriangrey

things just keep getting curiouser, and curiouser

145 livefreeor die  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:08:17am

re: #143 Macker

Come to think of it, it's Ramadan now, right?

Yup-someone should offer him a sandwich and see what happens.

146 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:08:48am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I'm not that optimistic. Obama is surely fumbling a lot these days but the press is still very friendly to him and that really helps him. We'll see how this all plays out but it's going to be close.

The press could take a scraggly guy off the street corner and make it a contest.

147 The Shadow Do  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:08:54am

re: #132 jas

The Obama campaign seems to be self-destructing right before our eyes. Every meme tihe media tried to sell about him - change, his speaking ability, a new kind of politician - does not hold up when viewed in the stark light of public scrutiny. Frankly, it's not so much that he said "Muslim faith"; rather he looks like he's lost control of the whole campaign. McCain played this one so brilliantly that I'm not even sure if he and his campaign realized how great the results could be, and how quickly they'd take place.

His campaign seems to be deteriorating into a steady stream of piss and moan. This will not exactly electrify the electorate.

148 Gang of One  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:09:07am

re: #135 Killian Bundy

I'm sorry, did people think I meant Palin should shoot Obama like a bloody, dead caribou as she does to instill blood thirst in her children?

Well, no.

/my bad, again, sorry

That's pretty much how it sounded. I prefer to think you meant that SP would just go hunt some game, dress it and serve it to family and friends -- just to push the image of SP as no-holds-barred, no Barbra Streisand individual.

149 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:09:11am

re: #119 Sparkizzy

There's a new story from the National Enquirer about SP cheating on Todd.

The National Enquirer is more reputable than ABC/NBC/CBS/NY Times - at least on the Edwards story.

It's a given, however, that there are several "more reputable" news organizations who are currently furiously diving through dumpsters in Alaska trying to find anything, ANYTHING, to use against Palin.

150 smokefire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:09:36am

Well it's way past kickoff, bbl,

BE SAFE ALL.

151 RickZ  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:09:36am

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

Do these indicia you reference hold true over multiple cultures?

To be honest, I haven't a clue. A guess would be that maybe not. Subservience is a prized trait in some parts of the world, and I'm sure that has an impact on facial expressions. Just as with living within the mental confines of any totalitarian/oppressive ideology, hiding one's true face is an art to be valued.

152 Lynn B.  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:09:42am

Obama to Stephanopoulos: I will buck my party as president

Sounds like Obama is now trying to BECOME John McCain.

Good luck with that.

153 Syrah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:09:53am

re: #103 MandyManners

It's bad journalism.

George Stephanopoulos is more of a politician playing a journalist than a journalist. He is more of an editorialist. He has a party and a candidate to protect.

154 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:10:02am

re: #145 livefreeor die

Yup-someone should offer him a sandwich and see what happens.

Yup... A nice HAM sandwich...

155 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:10:08am

re: #128 realwest

Um, who is Ellen Feiss?

She did a couple Apple "Switcher" commercials while stoned on antihistamines.

While not as well-articulated as the other commercials, the sincerity is unquestionable.

156 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:10:22am

re: #120 newsjunkie_ky

what?

It's much closer.

/but Simon Says, Obama will still be the next President, and that's crazy

157 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:10:27am

re: #145 livefreeor die

Yup-someone should offer him a sandwich and see what happens.

A pork barbecue one!

158 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:10:37am

re: #140 Josephine
Huh? Silken Laumann = Ellen Feiss ? What am I missing here?

159 livefreeor die  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:10:38am

Later-have to help the hubby load up the smoker.

160 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:11:13am

re: #124 Thanos

There's a lie in there as well:

"He has suggested that I am a muslim".

Wrong.

If I heard it correctly, Obama said:

"What I am saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm, that I'm, that I'm a Muslim."

161 gmsc  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:11:23am

re: #128 realwest

Um, who is Ellen Feiss?

Apple's first switch ads featured real people from all walks of life talking about the circumstances that caused them to switch from Windows to Mac.

Ellen Feiss was a teenager who, on the day of her ad shooting, had a cold, and had taken Benadryl. Unfortunately, being a teenager, the result was that she looked like she was high.

162 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:12:06am

re: #152 Lynn B.

Obama to Stephanopoulos: I will buck my party as president

Sounds like Obama is now trying to BECOME John McCain.

Good luck with that.

McCain has years of practice bucking his party.

The Fascist Tool Barack Obama is just that, a tool for the fascists in his party. Even my uber-lib colleague admits that.

163 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:12:30am

re: #145 livefreeor die
Maybe better:

Yup-someone should offer him a sandwich stack of waffles and see what happens.


Just sayin...!

164 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:13:01am

This was supposed to be the can't-lose year for democrats - the major contenders were a black man and a woman. And everyone hates Bush. But people might ask, where would Hillary be if it weren't for her husband (less than ideal triumph for women). And Barack just sucks. And we don't hate Bush nearly as much as they try to tell us to. So maybe it wasn't so cushy for them after all.

165 Llanite  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:13:15am
Perfect! Funnily enough, that's from the song, "Losing My Religion."

Exactly! Although, being a good communist, losing his religion was on his to-do list anyway...

166 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:13:24am

well it's 1:12 Eastern and the Lions have already shown me that they suck

167 WeddingGuy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:13:31am

re: #36 Ojoe

One man sleeper cell

Gosh. Our very own Manchurian candidate!

168 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:14:28am

re: #155 victor_yugo

She did a couple Apple "Switcher" commercials while stoned on antihistamines.

While not as well-articulated as the other commercials, the sincerity is unquestionable.

Ha! (As Chris Matthews would say.) Methinks the bong was sitting right there beside the PC.

169 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:14:46am

re: #152 Lynn B.

Obama to Stephanopoulos: I will buck my party as president

Sounds like Obama is now trying to BECOME John McCain.

Good luck with that.

He will embrace Bush's economic and foreign policies? Sweet.

170 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:15:35am

re: #148 Gang of One

That's pretty much how it sounded. I prefer to think you meant that SP would just go hunt some game, dress it and serve it to family and friends -- just to push the image of SP as no-holds-barred, no Barbra Streisand individual.

/not real sure how Palin would be allowed near Obama by the Secret Service and Sarah is a responsible NRA member anyway

171 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:15:41am

re: #158 realwest

Huh? Silken Laumann = Ellen Feiss ? What am I missing here?

I suggested that perhaps Obama was on allergy medication due to the hay at the interview location and perhaps that would explain his sleepy-looking eyes and slip of the tongue.

Then someone mentioned Ellen Feiss. I didn't know who she was and wondered if she was an Olympic athlete (because of Silken Laumann's experience), so I did an internet search and was reminded of the commercial Ellen Feiss was in and that she said she appeared stoned due to allergy medicine.

Silken Laumann is a Canadian athlete who was disqualified for something because she failed a drug test and she blamed it on allergy or cold medication.

172 gmsc[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:15:43am
173 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:17:31am

re: #172 gmsc

GAAACK!

/We need a new thread, quick!

174 tappin52  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:17:45am

re: #135 Killian Bundy

I'm sorry, did people think I meant Palin should shoot Obama like a bloody, dead caribou as she does to instill blood thirst in her children?

What the heck is wrong with you?

175 Syrah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:17:50am

re: #172 gmsc

Were you being serious with that?

176 Luigi  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:18:25am

re: #119 Sparkizzy

There's a new story from the National Enquirer about SP cheating on Todd.

Rush said the other day that the National Enquirer owner is a friend of the Clintons. That makes lots of sense when you consider the Enquirer chose to destroy John Edwards at the precise time when Obama was selecting his vp running mate. The timing cleared the way for Clinton to be a much more likely vp pick for Obama.

If the Enquirer is keeping SP's face on the supermarket stands, it may be Hillary trying to destroy a rival for Pope of Women in this country.

177 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:19:36am

re: #86 dahozho

I'm not so sure its 'just a slip.' Obama was with a sympathetic interviewer, and that's a comfort zone. As the "rev" Wright is also an apostate, could this be a little ray of truth? I hope we never know.

Freudian slip.

Obama did go to Muslim school, and claimed that the sound of the Muslim call to prayer was one of the most beautiful sounds on the planet.

178 rhythman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:19:45am

and this senator wants to be president
Lord Help Us

179 jorline  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:20:11am

Where's O's cocky swagger? He was proclaiming himself POTUS a few months ago and thought he was the leader of the world coming off his European tour.

McCain will eat his lunch in the debates...O's debating skills suck!

180 Maine's Michael  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:20:14am

A reader at Commentary writes:

Joe NS Says:
September 6th, 2008 at 2:50 PM

The Democratic campaign is not in a meltdown. The proper image, I believe, is that of a long metal chain the links of which are one by one sliding off the edge of a bench. One can see what is happening, very slowly at first and then accelerating, with horror or glee depending on party affiliation; but it’s very definitely underway.

It is nearly impossible to credit it, but the Palin pick has caught the Democrats so flat-footed that they have clearly decide the only counterpunch they have is to argue that Sarah Palin cannot be a mother and a vice-president at the same time. That is a flat-out incredible position for a Democrat to take. It is unvarnished surrealism. And I fear it might even work. The truth, however, is that they really have no other option at this point. Largely because of the psychology of BO himself, I believe.

In any sensible assessment of his current predicament, Obama MUST IGNORE Sarah Palin. To have the Democratic presidential nominee fencing on almost a daily basis with the Republicans nominee for vice-president is only a little short of insane. Palin was wrong on one matter: the longer the jousting between them continues, the more voters will notice that the proper level of comparison of Obama and Palin is not between Obama as community organizer and Palin as mayor, but between Obama as community organizer and Palin as a member of the Wasilla, Alaska, PTA. Obama should put Sarah Palin out of his head. So why can’t he?

It’s simple: She’s sexier than he is.

One of the things that has always seemed to me creepiest about the 2008 presidential campaign has been its erotic - I would even say homoerotic - atmospherics. Sheer celebrity, of course, tends to push things that way, to be sure; but with Obama something else has been going on, something that is often referred to as “narcissism” or “self-absorption” or, more honestly, as “seductiveness.” Though others may take offense, I think it was always more the self-fascination one sees in a young girl posing in front of a mirror. Edwards displayed the syndrome as well, but once he left the race, Obama had the enchantress slot all to himself. McCain? Hillary? I don’t think so.

Now here is Sarah Palin, who directly threatens the male narcissist’s amour propre because she seems to be reorienting the eroticism in the campaign toward its “traditional” locus in ordinay life: toward the female. Sarah Palin is amazingly erotic. But even more amazing: It’s perhaps the least important thing about her? Like a belle who meets an unforeseen competitor for the title of most alluring, Obama has reacted badly and, let’s be honest, a little bit cattily.

In sum, hell hath no fury . . .

Interesting take.

181 trailortrash  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:20:24am

telling, very telling

182 Elcid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #92 MandyManners

That's the same bastard who defended a Weather Underground terrorist.

[Link: perfunction.typepad.com...]

Mandy Manners

Howard looks like a real dic RichardHead.

Have to get use to the NEW LGF :)

183 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #175 Syrah

Were you being serious with that?

I hope not..
I have to upding you every time i see your nic..

184 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:20:58am

Obama and Palan, on a fact finding mission to Afghanistan . . .

AMBUSH!

/who do you toss the extra M4 to if your life depends on it?

185 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:21:12am

re: #164 cliffster

This was supposed to be the can't-lose year for democrats - the major contenders were a black man and a woman. And everyone hates Bush. But people might ask, where would Hillary be if it weren't for her husband (less than ideal triumph for women). And Barack just sucks. And we don't hate Bush nearly as much as they try to tell us to. So maybe it wasn't so cushy for them after all.

Sen. Clinton probably would be a senior partner at a very big law firm in Chicago or D.C..

186 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:22:04am

Wait, everybody. Sarah Palin implied that she sold the state jet on eBay, when actually it didn't sell there and she had to sell it privately. Why are you talking about this Obama nonsense when there's real scandal going on out there?

187 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:22:48am

re: #92 MandyManners

Hey, maybe her husband will stay home and help with the kids!~

Get with the new age program folks.

As a man I'm insulted.

/no this is not a sarcastic comment

188 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:23:01am

She said "I put it on EBay" not "I sold it on EBay"

189 anubis_soundwave  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:23:04am

re: #71 Elcid

This may be a teaching of his "muslim faith". This "messiah" does seem awfully ANTI FEMALE.

Check this out: If you don't stay home Sarah, you're a bad, bad, bad mommie and wife..

Bad, bad...Sarah

I guess NOW that Michelle is proud, he lets her out of the house, without her burka.

Honestly...she'd look better with one ON.

Here's my response to that article:

Stupid. Even if a family has problems, a parent still has to show up to work the next day; that would be the case from a McDonald's employee to the President of the US--man or woman.

Mr. Gutman would not be saying this if Governor Palin were Senator Obama's VP nominee.

I'm not angry, though. I'm darkly amused at the poo the Democrats are flinging at the wall in their attempt to knock down this highly-qualified candidate. This is yet another confirmation of how unserious the Democratic Party is about America's business.

Democrats: unserious about running the United States of America--but serious as cancer about caribou and polar bears.

190 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:23:29am

re: #177 looking closely

It is not a slip at all IMHO

191 The Shadow Do  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:23:34am

re: #166 Shug

well it's 1:12 Eastern and the Lions have already shown me that they suck

Isn't it oddly comforting to know that some things just never change?

/runs

192 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:23:36am

re: #186 cliffster

Wait, everybody. Sarah Palin implied that she sold the state jet on eBay, when actually it didn't sell there and she had to sell it privately. Why are you talking about this Obama nonsense when there's real scandal going on out there?


/ I almost bought that jet
//

193 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:23:52am

re: #182 Elcid
Hey Elcid! How are you doing? It's been too long my friend! I blame it on our scheduling our times on LGF!
Uh, what is that new avatar, anyway?

194 bcgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:24:05am

i heard this onthe radio yesterday, it is so perfect, i just wish Rush or shombody will run with it all week long, thanks Nancy!

re: #137 Luigi

I hope its okay to repost a link I found this morning.

MaggiesFarm today linked to an interview Nancy Pelosi's did for Ladies Home Journal a few years ago that sounds like an endorsement of Sarah Palin ..

[Link: www.poorandstupid.com...]

195 tappin52  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:24:17am

re: #184 Killian Bundy

Obama and Palan, on a fact finding mission to Afghanistan . . .

AMBUSH!

/who do you toss the extra M4 to if your life depends on it?

Palin in a nanosecond.

196 Blackacre  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:25:19am

And let's not forget this smear from the Obamessiah just a few days ago. Saith the slimy One:

“I know that I’m not your typical presidential candidate, and I just want to be honest with you. I know that. And I know that the temptation is to say, ‘You know what? …The guy hasn’t been there that long in Washington.’ You know, ‘He’s got funny name.’ You know, ‘We’re not sure about him.’ And that’s what the Republicans, when they say, ‘This isn’t about issues, it’s about personalities,’ what they’re really saying is, ‘We’re going to try to scare people about Barack. So we’re going to say that you know, maybe he’s got Muslim connections or we’re going to say that, you know, he hangs out with radicals or he’s not patriotic.’ Just making stuff up, or that ‘He never’s gotten anything done,’ even though over the last 20 years I’ve given health care to kids who didn’t have it.”

197 jorline  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:25:38am

Join Obama for breakfast here.

198 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:25:43am

re: #182 Elcid

Mandy Manners

Howard looks like a real dic RichardHead.

Have to get use to the NEW LGF :)

Miner, Barnhill & Galland.

[Link: www.lawmbg.com...]

199 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:26:07am

re: #189 anubis_soundwave

This is yet another confirmation of how unseriousquisling the Democratic Party is

200 HPG337  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:26:15am

Okay, another dumb goof from Sen. Obama speaking without a teleprompter. However, he's human and we all make goofs when speaking. I say we laugh at this one and forget it.

201 gmsc  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:26:51am

re: #175 Syrah

Were you being serious with that?

No, I was replying to a post that was making it sound like atheism was bad because communism was bad. I was just parodying that by saying Catholicism was bad because Hitler was one.

I guess I could have been clearer.

202 Wilderstad  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:26:55am

Well that's done it. He thought he was out for a pleasant stroll ( cream puff interview) and stepped in something nasty and odiferous that will stick with him all the way home.

203 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:27:00am

re: #174 tappin52

What the heck is wrong with you?

/this isn't particularly funny, what the heck is wrong with more than half the U.S. electorate?

204 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:27:02am

re: #187 Ojoe

Hey, maybe her husband will stay home and help with the kids!~

Get with the new age program folks.

As a man I'm insulted.

/no this is not a sarcastic comment

If Sen. Clinton had been selected to run with BHO, and a Repubican fund raiser had made that comment, the shit would still be hitting the fan.

205 Biff  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:27:17am

What gets me is the look he has as he says, "... my muslim faith..." He is completely comfortable and at peace. There is no red light going on in his head immediately saying "that's not what I meant." It looked like the truth.

206 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:27:19am

re: #188 rawmuse

She said "I put it on EBay" not "I sold it on EBay"

WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING THE LIES?
/

207 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:28:03am

re: #205 Biff

Yep

208 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:28:04am

re: #200 HPG337

Okay, another dumb goof from Sen. Obama speaking without a teleprompter. However, he's human and we all make goofs when speaking. I say we laugh at this one and forget it.

No.

209 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:28:24am

re: #176 Luigi

Rush said the other day that the National Enquirer owner is a friend of the Clintons. That makes lots of sense when you consider the Enquirer chose to destroy John Edwards at the precise time when Obama was selecting his vp running mate. The timing cleared the way for Clinton to be a much more likely vp pick for Obama.

If the Enquirer is keeping SP's face on the supermarket stands, it may be Hillary trying to destroy a rival for Pope of Women in this country.

Yeah, I read about the Clinton connection.

210 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:29:10am

re: #188 rawmuse

She said "I put it on EBay" not "I sold it on EBay"

Don't tell that to the MSNBC commentators. "This could be a serious problem for Gov. Palin"

211 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:30:44am

re: #200 HPG337

Okay, another dumb goof from Sen. Obama speaking without a teleprompter. However, he's human and we all make goofs when speaking. I say we laugh at this one and forget it.

No.

212 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:31:06am

re: #205 Biff

What gets me is the look he has as he says, "... my muslim faith..." He is completely comfortable and at peace. There is no red light going on in his head immediately saying "that's not what I meant." It looked like the truth.


Well as oft happens as a catholic, personally, it just kind of slips out about my muslim faith when talk turns to religion..i don't know why..
maybe i should see somebody...
LOL
It was funny when he said that..

213 pragmatist  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:31:28am

OT - BREAKING NEWS

Gallup Daily Tracking has Sen. McCain/Gov. Palin up by 3%!

Waiting for left media spin ... 3 ... 2 ... 1


Go McCain/Palin '08!

214 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:31:36am

re: #195 tappin52
Huh

re: #184 Killian Bundy

Obama and Palan, on a fact finding mission to Afghanistan . . .

AMBUSH!

/who do you toss the extra M4 to if your life depends on it?

Palin in a nanosecond.


She'd a been carrying her own to begin with!

215 baxtrice  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:32:08am

re: #210 cliffster

Don't tell that to the MSNBC commentators. "This could be a serious problem for Gov. Palin"

MSNBC should just go ahead and change it's name to MS-DNC. Then every viewer can understand their true colors.

216 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:32:19am

re: #212 HoosierHoops

Well as oft happens as a catholic, personally, it just kind of slips out about my muslim faith when talk turns to religion..i don't know why..
maybe i should see somebody...
LOL
It was funny when he said that..

{HooiserHoops}

I think he's ashamed or afraid of his Muslim faith and thus tells himself he's not one.

217 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:32:25am

Where ARE they? And why are they in a barn?

218 spartanwoman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:34:11am

re: #200 HPG337

Okay, another dumb goof from Sen. Obama speaking without a teleprompter. However, he's human and we all make goofs when speaking. I say we laugh at this one and forget it.

why?

219 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:34:28am

THWAPPP!

Taste the whip, Kossacks!

Latest Poll: Gallup Daily results: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45%

Please, I beg of you, come up with some more fraudulent smears against Palin! Help us stretch that lead to double-digits!

220 Syrah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:34:28am

re: #201 gmsc

Thank you for your responce.

Clarity is a good thing especially when that creature is referenced. Godwin's rule is a good caution to keep in mind. Like Nitro, referencing that creature can too easily get things unnecessarily confused and excited.

221 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:34:30am

re: #204 MandyManners

If Sen. Clinton had been selected to run with BHO, and a Repubican fund raiser had made that comment, the shit would still be hitting the fan.

Well, Sarah is not a bleeding heart liberal woman...so, that does not apply. She is a Republican, so that means she should stay home and bake cookies and take care of her husband and children, yes?

It always makes me laugh when these libs engage in this irony...you are right, if someone said something about Hillary, they would have his head on a pike so all could see the price for suggesting a woman cannot have it all.

222 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:34:42am

re: #211 Ojoe

*Pinch. Poke* You owe me a Coke.

223 drj  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:34:51am

Can anything really be said about this, realistically? If anyone on the McCain camp brings this up, they'll be bashed as "islamophobs"...

Oh wait, I know...like Obama has the media to do his dirty work for him, McCain needs a network do to his dirty work...and then, when they question McCain about it, he can say, "I've said it before, a candidates religion should be off limits in this campaigan. If anyone on my staff speaks out it, they're fired!"

224 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:35:02am

re: #216 goddessoftheclassroom

{HooiserHoops}

I think he's ashamed or afraid of his Muslim faith and thus tells himself he's not one.

((Goddess))... Nope, he just understands that America isn't even remotely ready to knowingly or willfully elect a Muslim as POTUS...

225 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:35:03am

National Barack Channel

226 Sprite  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:35:13am

Has anyone kept a running list of O's ties (of various degrees) to Islam?

Ive got:

~ born to a Muslim father = he is a Muslim
~ schooling in Indonesia
~ Wright and his Masters degree in Islam
~ campaigning for Raila Odinga in Kenya
~ church ties to Farrakhan and NOI
~ Mansoor/sponsorship to Harvard
~ ties to Rezko/his Syrian roots
~ "my Muslim faith"
~ "Iran's a tiny country and no danger" (or something to that effect)
~ willingness to negotiate without precondition with terrorist states
~ attempts to hide Muslim affiliation (burka girls at rally)
~ no drilling for oil = keep us on the Muslim teat and transfer our wealth
~ Hamas support/fund raising
~ 'that' flag pin, failure to put hand over heart during Pledge of Allegiance
~ taqiyya-esque (in my view) efforts to bring down the U.S. through other
Marxian means

I've believed he's a closet Muslim for some time now. It is precisely because of that that I am Obamaphobic. I pray that McCain/Palin succeed.

227 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:35:19am

re: #213 pragmatist
Ah ya know I'd rather have Gallup showing what he does now, but there's still a long way to go to this election; as I said before with other polls showing Obama in the lead: wait until the last week or two of October before giving the polls very much credence.

228 spartanwoman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:35:22am

re: #217 Crimsonfisted

Where ARE they? And why are they in a barn?

Obama dares annyone to say he can't hit the broadside of one...must be target practice

229 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:35:23am

re: #217 Crimsonfisted

Where ARE they? And why are they in a barn?

To appeal to rednecks, obviously!

230 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:35:45am

re: #221 Desert Dog

Well, Sarah is not a bleeding heart liberal woman...so, that does not apply. She is a Republican, so that means she should stay home and bake cookies and take care of her husband and children, yes?

It always makes me laugh when these libs engage in this irony...you are right, if someone said something about Hillary, they would have his head on a pike so all could see the price for suggesting a woman cannot have it all.

It also calls in to doubt a man's ability to be an active parent.

231 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:35:58am

re: #218 spartanwoman

IMHO it is quite legitimate to base one's vote on the accumulation of such things especially as they are direct from the candidate. (For any candidate in fact.)

232 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:36:39am

re: #217 Crimsonfisted

Where ARE they? And why are they in a barn?


They are here in indiana ( I am so proud)
county fair.. you know we are just hicks here right? O is just one of the good ole boys..been better if was chewing on straw..straw hat would have been a nice touch

233 RickZ  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:36:53am

re: #204 MandyManners

If Sen. Clinton had been selected to run with BHO, and a Repubican fund raiser had made that comment, the shit would still be hitting the fan.

But of course. Selective outrage means never having to say you're sorry.

234 hazeleyes  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:37:05am

I don't really think Obama is Muslim, Christian, or anything except for the religion of self. He is his own god! As far as I can tell, every "nuanced" thing he says or does is made in an effort to promote himself.

235 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:37:14am

re: #224 doriangrey

((Goddess))... Nope, he just understands that America isn't even remotely ready to knowingly or willfully elect a Muslim as POTUS...

I guess that's what I mean by afraid of.

You know, it's possible he never did hear Rev. Wright's diatribes because his mind and heart weren't really there.

236 spartanwoman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:37:15am

re: #231 Ojoe

IMHO it is quite legitimate to base one's vote on the accumulation of such things especially as they are direct from the candidate. (For any candidate in fact.)

I completely agree as the press fails to vet him on any sincere level

237 Sacred Plants  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:37:15am

If he moves on into that direction, next thing he will have to say is that pronouncing the shahada is a gaffe that can be renounced any time.

Fatwa in 5...4...3...2...1...

238 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:37:17am

re: #222 MandyManners

I was copying you, I think I owe you a coke+a mountain dew.

Dogpile on that comment folks...

239 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:37:40am

Is that a barn at the state farm or, a privately owned barn?

240 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:38:28am

re: #215 baxtrice

MSNBC should just go ahead and change it's name to MS-DNC. Then every viewer can understand their true colors.

What will all the Obama Stooges over at PMSNBC do when Obama loses? Will there be a mass suicide? They will not have Bush to blame any longer and their "Chosen One" lost...I will enjoy that moment...every second of it...

241 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:38:52am

I think the real test would be to put a plate of bacon in front of him.

242 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:39:03am

re: #223 drj

Can anything really be said about this, realistically? If anyone on the McCain camp brings this up, they'll be bashed as "islamophobs"...

Oh wait, I know...like Obama has the media to do his dirty work for him, McCain needs a network do to his dirty work...and then, when they question McCain about it, he can say, "I've said it before, a candidates religion should be off limits in this campaigan. If anyone on my staff speaks out it, they're fired!"


Of course McCain will not go near it nor should he, but Rush and Hannity and Levin, well now that is another story. Hannity has this annoying thing he likes to do that drives the kook fringe crazy: He repeats and repeats

243 Sprite  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:39:26am

re: #177 looking closely

Yes, I'd forgotten about the "beauty of the Muslim call to prayer".

244 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:39:55am

re: #200 HPG337
NO WAY. And, by the way:

(Logged in)
Registered since: Dec 3, 2007 at 2:38 pm

No. of comments posted: 14
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Man either you dudes are really good sleepers or you're someone's sock puppet.

245 spartanwoman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:40:12am

re: #240 Desert Dog

What will all the Obama Stooges over at PMSNBC do when Obama loses? Will there be a mass suicide? They will not have Bush to blame any longer and their "Chosen One" lost...I will enjoy that moment...every second of it...

I suspect that after they've used everything in their bag of tricks and Hussein still fails to lead in the polls they will cover themselves with a few of the stories they have killed and pretend to be indignant.

246 jorline  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:40:20am
247 Lynn B.  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:40:35am

Hmmm. The full video of that interview is up at ABC. This slip wasn't quite as bad as the short excerpt makes it sound. George was challenging Obama about his claim that the McCain campaign has implied he's a Muslim and after bobbing and weaving around a little he was awkwardly admitting, sort of, that the campaign hadn't done that but its supporters had.

[Obama] What I was suggesting ... You are absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my uh Muslim faith, and you're absolutely right that that is not ...

[Stephanopolous] Christian faith

[Obama] ... that my, my Christian faith, and, well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm I'm I'm a Muslim, and I think that uh his uh his campaign uh upper echelons have not either.

Then he went on to say that the "Republican camp" is suggesting he's not who he says he is when it comes to his faith. It's at around -3:00 on the third segment.

248 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:40:51am

I didn't watch the Obama interview this morning, I opted for the Biden one.

Anyway, Biden issued forth this nugget.

249 BlueCanuck  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:40:52am

re: #140 Josephine

LOL, I had to look it up. I thought she might have been an Olympic athlete.

Silken Laumann

Here's the best part of the whole joke. At the time she was a spokeswomen for Shoppers Drug Mart, talking about their Pharmacy Watch program. The pharmacist would give all the details about your meds. Didn't matter if they were prescribed or OTC. All the talk radio stations were asking how come she didn't get one of those for her Benadryl.

250 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:41:34am

re: #245 spartanwoman

I suspect that after they've used everything in their bag of tricks and Hussein still fails to lead in the polls they will cover themselves with a few of the stories they have killed and pretend to be indignant.


What they will do is what they did to Hillary - go after Palin with the long knives - she is the source of the bump McCain is experiencing and they well know it.

251 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:41:50am

Goddess and Dorian..
Kind of a tough call.. do we want a closet musim or a g*d damn american christian for a POTUS?
How are you all doing? Going to have a party here in 4 hours for the Colts game..doing ribs!

252 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:42:13am

re: #244 realwest

NO WAY. And, by the way:


Man either you dudes are really good sleepers or you're someone's sock puppet.

ROTFLMAO... Second one in the last hour...

253 spartanwoman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:42:59am

re: #250 wright1

What they will do is what they did to Hillary - go after Palin with the long knives - she is the source of the bump McCain is experiencing and they well know it.

Naturally that is part of their scheme, but when it looks hopeless for Obama they will dredge up some lame justification for turning on him and then they will cover their rears and try to look erudite

254 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:43:01am

re: #247 Lynn B.

think that uh his uh his campaign uh upper echelons have not either.

He's an Uhist.

255 bcgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:43:20am

yes i had too, i have heard the screaming thing before, it is NOT beautiful,,, a river flowing, birds singing, rain falling,, that is beautiful, sorry snowbama, not falliing for that one either LAN ASTASLEM

re: #243 Sprite

Yes, I'd forgotten about the "beauty of the Muslim call to prayer".

256 LSD  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:43:21am

Lets see,

African Family members are Muslim?
Benefactor for Harvard is Saudi Arabian?
Political Donations from Hamas?
Recites Koran Scripture flawlessly?

What's a grrrl to think?

257 jake341  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:43:35am

How appropriate. Interview the "messiah" in a horse barn. Perfect location for Barry "I almost joined the army" O. Horseshit. Nothing more than fresh horseshit.

258 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:44:00am

re: #253 spartanwoman

How can Olbermann and Chris Matthews ever come back from where they are? They are so far up Obama's butt, they will have to come out the other end.

259 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:44:00am

re: #240 Desert Dog

What will all the Obama Stooges over at PMSNBC do when Obama loses? Will there be a mass suicide? They will not have Bush to blame any longer and their "Chosen One" lost...I will enjoy that moment...every second of it...

They don't plan on losing. Magic Eight Ball says they won't.

/and that's why this really sucks

260 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:44:02am

Blindfold him, spin him around and see if he points to Mecca.

I'm quitting before I use bad language

See you tonight.

261 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:44:07am

re: #226 Sprite

Has anyone kept a running list of O's ties (of various degrees) to Islam?

Ive got:

~ born to a Muslim father = he is a Muslim
~ schooling in Indonesia
~ Wright and his Masters degree in Islam
~ campaigning for Raila Odinga in Kenya
~ church ties to Farrakhan and NOI
~ Mansoor/sponsorship to Harvard
~ ties to Rezko/his Syrian roots
~ "my Muslim faith"
~ "Iran's a tiny country and no danger" (or something to that effect)
~ willingness to negotiate without precondition with terrorist states
~ attempts to hide Muslim affiliation (burka girls at rally)
~ no drilling for oil = keep us on the Muslim teat and transfer our wealth
~ Hamas support/fund raising
~ 'that' flag pin, failure to put hand over heart during Pledge of Allegiance
~ taqiyya-esque (in my view) efforts to bring down the U.S. through other
Marxian means

I've believed he's a closet Muslim for some time now. It is precisely because of that that I am Obamaphobic. I pray that McCain/Palin succeed.

Take all this with a grain of salt. Listening to the Art Bell show over the years, many shows were about the anti-Christ. Who is he? Where is he? etc. They said first he would appear as a Messiah, God's gift to humanity, he would solve major conflicts around the world, deceive the people into thinking he was heaven sent, then he would unleash the dark forces. When I look at the list above, we may have just found our man. LOL!

262 jmaimarc  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:44:37am

The Leftards make a big deal about how McCain can't remember the number of houses he (really, his wife) has? Who the hell cares? The Dalai Bama can't remember what religion he is or how many States are in the country he wants to lead.. I'm just waiting for the intern he "forgot" about to make an appearance. Preferably some time in October.

For a moment, I actually felt sorry for Hillary that she didn't get the nomination. Watching this screwup steal her campaign and then pile drive it into the ground must be too much for her to bear.

The moment has passed.

263 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:44:51am
264 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:45:01am

re: #241 So?
As I mentioned somewhere up thread:

I think the real test would be to put a plate of waffles in front of him.

it being Ramadan and all he probably wouldn't touch either one!

265 DamnCat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:45:06am

D'OH!

266 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:45:06am

re: #253 spartanwoman


Too early in the game to make that prediction...we can only hope

267 spartanwoman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:45:21am

re: #258 Desert Dog

How can Olbermann and Chris Matthews ever come back from where they are? They are so far up Obama's butt, they will have to come out the other end.

Olberman is hopeless, but Matthews will strip his gears somehow.They will act duped and indignant and seethe with self righteousness

268 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:45:37am

re: #258 Desert Dog

How can Olbermann and Chris Matthews ever come back from where they are? They are so far up Obama's butt, they will have to come out the other end.

What? And risk causing pain to The One Zero?

269 baxtrice  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:46:20am

re: #240 Desert Dog

What will all the Obama Stooges over at PMSNBC do when Obama loses? Will there be a mass suicide? They will not have Bush to blame any longer and their "Chosen One" lost...I will enjoy that moment...every second of it...

They'll do what they've been doing for the past 4-8 years, piss and moan and push fake outrage over the "stealing" of another election. They'll continue to push their "progressive" message via DKOS, HuffPo and other leftist sites, until Americans become ignorant of their true intent.

And you know, they'll never stop blaming Bush. They knew from day one, he saw through their transparent agenda. He wasn't fooled. Therefore, they had to vilify him to get their message across.

270 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:46:26am
271 right_on_target  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:46:29am

People on YouTube are pissed that they nailed the View Counter at 244.

272 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:47:06am

re: #271 right_on_target

People on YouTube are pissed that they nailed the View Counter at 244.

What? Where?

273 jorline  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:47:28am

re: #257 jake341

How appropriate. Interview the "messiah" in a horse barn. Perfect location for Barry "I almost joined the army" O. Horseshit. Nothing more than fresh horseshit.

More shit here. Lizard shit?

//caution George Carlin language

274 LSD  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:47:34am

Going Waaay out on a limb here ... Let's see him eat BACON

/poor taste

275 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:47:37am

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

I thought that was the old Hee Haw set.

I'd love to see Obama take a fling at the "Gloom, despair and agony o'er me" sketch.

276 Sprite  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:47:45am

re: #261 So?

Unfortunately, Obama isn't a UFO. He's real.

277 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:47:52am

I have to confess and I know thisis childish but a big part of watching McCain win is the sheer enjoyment of watching Olber-dufus & Tingles cry - hopefully on the air

278 daddyo  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:47:55am
279 Syrah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:48:54am

re: #264 realwest

With Ramadan comes Car-B-Ques in France.

It's part of the Ramadan tradition.

280 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:49:09am

re: #274 LSD

Going Waaay out on a limb here ... Let's see him eat BACON

/poor taste


I did notice any bacon with his waffles come to think of it

281 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:49:10am

re: #273 jorline

More shit here. Lizard shit?

//caution George Carlin language

Shout out to all Lizards!

282 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:49:19am

re: #246 jorline

Charles...thought you would enjoy this link.

Fear Looms Over Scientist's Experiment to Uncover Secrets of 'Big Bang'

(OT: That scientist is a Welshman ... forgive my boasting ...)

283 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:49:37am

re: #262 jmaimarc

The Leftards make a big deal about how McCain can't remember the number of houses he (really, his wife) has? Who the hell cares? The Dalai Bama can't remember what religion he is or how many States are in the country he wants to lead.. I'm just waiting for the intern he "forgot" about to make an appearance. Preferably some time in October.

For a moment, I actually felt sorry for Hillary that she didn't get the nomination. Watching this screwup steal her campaign and then pile drive it into the ground must be too much for her to bear.

The moment has passed.

jmaimarc

Registered since: Jan 4, 2005 at 11:17 am
No. of comments posted: 48
No. of links posted: 0

Hmmm, an average of 7 posts per year...

284 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:49:49am

re: #276 Sprite

Unfortunately, Obama isn't a UFO. He's real.

Maybe he's a UWO

Unidentified Walking Object

285 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:50:20am
286 jorline  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:50:32am

re: #282 yma o hyd

(OT: That scientist is a Welshman ... forgive my boasting ...)

Boast away yma.

287 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:50:33am

re: #241 So?

I think the real test would be to put a plate of bacon in front of him.

IT'S BACON!

288 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:50:41am

New thread (needles and pins)

289 leslein  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:50:50am

When Gerald Ford famously said that the U.S.S.R. didn't control Eastern Europe, the questioner provided a follow up question that gave Ford a chance to clear things up. Stephanopoulis's behavior wasn't egregious.

290 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:51:01am

re: #252 doriangrey
Who was the first one?

291 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:51:17am

re: #269 baxtrice

You're right, they will take that hatred of Bush to their graves and beyond...But, if he's not in office, they will come across as even more pathetic that they already are. And, you know they will transfer some of that burning searing hatred to President McCain too...

292 LSD  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:51:30am

#280 wright1
I did(n't) notice any bacon with his waffles come to think of it

His handlers would be smart enough to substitute "Turkey Bacon" anyway...

293 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:51:46am

This ongoing "O-production" illustrates to me how significant the Left's and anti-American's foothold in the country really is, and how visionary our Founding Fathers were in their construction of the Electoral College. That he's managed (or been managed) to get this far, is eye-opening.

At the current pace O's messianic varnish should be worn off before Election Day, however as one of the Communist archetypes once opined, "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

My primary concern this election cycle is that voter fraud in the handful of densely populated blue city/counties (the wellspring of the Left,) could surpass and offset the legitimate votes within a state's red counties elsewhere resulting in a dude with a middle name of Hussein being President.

Now, where's my paranoia medication and tin-foil hat?

294 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:52:05am

Here's part of the research for my never-to-be-completed Obama Rumor page:

Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is one of "The prettiest sounds on earth" and can recite it by heart in Arabic.

Status: True.

Obama describing the Muslim call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on earth"

The New York Times URl for the source is "temporarily off-line." Hmmm. Suspicious.

What the prayer says:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "

295 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:52:09am

re: #292 LSD

#280 wright1
I did(n't) notice any bacon with his waffles come to think of it

His handlers would be smart enough to substitute "Turkey Bacon" anyway...

SEE!

296 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:52:11am

re: #228 spartanwoman

Obama dares annyone to say he can't hit the broadside of one...must be target practice

re: #229 zombie

To appeal to rednecks, obviously!

Thwack! That is the sound of hitting myself on the head. Of COURSE. The guns and redneck crowd he cannot attract.

This just makes him look even more stupid and out of his element.

Either McCain or Palin would look at home there, or just as comfortable in a palace.

297 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:52:18am

re: #257 jake341

How appropriate. Interview the "messiah" in a horse barn. Perfect location for Barry "I almost joined the army" O. Horseshit. Nothing more than fresh horseshit.

Hey fellow lizard
here is the deal..everybody is kindof making fun about the hay and Indiana
I know i am..
But when Sarah gets here nobody is going to make fun of her even if she wears a straw hat
because she has what nobody else has on the Dem ticket..
Authentic persona..
you can't buy it
you can't have Madison ave make it or commercialize it
you can't fake it
When Sarah gets here I'll be there camera in hand..
And trust me it will be so much better than zombies picture where ya got to hold one hand over your eyes..just in case the bleach is low..
..I'm teasing you zom..you know that

298 Syrah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:52:19am

re: #279 Syrah

With Ramadan comes Car-B-Ques in France.

It's part of the Ramadan tradition.

Nothing about France yet, but Amsterdam seems to be having some problems with Car-B-ques.

299 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:52:22am

re: #289 leslein

When Gerald Ford famously said that the U.S.S.R. didn't control Eastern Europe, the questioner provided a follow up question that gave Ford a chance to clear things up. Stephanopoulis's behavior wasn't egregious.


I disagree

300 BlueCanuck  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:52:41am

re: #255 bcgirl

yes i had too, i have heard the screaming thing before, it is NOT beautiful,,, a river flowing, birds singing, rain falling,, that is beautiful, sorry snowbama, not falliing for that one either LAN ASTASLEM

I have had the privilege to listen to Achmeds Top Five at Five for six months. :p
I hated those loud speakers on their minarets.

/Cyprus 1989 summer tour.

301 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:52:55am

re: #261 So?

Please tell me you are not regarding "Coast to Coast" as a credible news source.
It is an entertainment product. Art Bell, whom I have met, even admits it.
Art has done very well piling BS high, wide and deep.

302 DaddyO  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:53:05am

re: #292 LSD

#280 wright1
I did(n't) notice any bacon with his waffles come to think of it

His handlers would be smart enough to substitute "Turkey Bacon" anyway...


Hmmm how about freshly shot moose bacon ?

303 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:53:15am

re: #261 So?

He is The One Ahmadinejad has been waiting for.

304 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:53:16am

re: #258 Desert Dog

How can Olbermann and Chris Matthews ever come back from where they are? They are so far up Obama's butt, they will have to come out the other end.

What a ghastly image ... !

305 Sprite  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:53:28am

re: #284 So?

Or Ummah Foreign Object?

;)

306 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:53:42am

re: #294 zombie

Here's part of the research for my never-to-be-completed Obama Rumor page:

Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is one of "The prettiest sounds on earth" and can recite it by heart in Arabic.

Status: True.

Obama describing the Muslim call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on earth"

The New York Times URl for the source is "temporarily off-line." Hmmm. Suspicious.

What the prayer says:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "

Is that the same prayer DinnerJacket gave at the UN before he undressed..I mean, addressed them? Or was his prayer more malicious?

307 right_on_target  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:53:45am

re: #271 right_on_target

People on YouTube are pissed that they nailed the View Counter at 244.

re: #272 Sparkizzy

What? Where?

If you go to the YouTube site look at the view counter.
Censored view counter

308 Optimizer  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:53:48am

re: #137 Luigi

Hey - that's Luskin's blog! That guy is brilliant!

309 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:53:53am

re: #302 DaddyO

Hmmm how about freshly shot moose bacon ?


Sarah can arrange that if you like

310 goofeeem  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:53:59am

Another nail in his casket - - I HOPE!

311 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:54:09am

re: #251 HoosierHoops

Goddess and Dorian..
Kind of a tough call.. do we want a closet musim or a g*d damn american christian for a POTUS?
How are you all doing? Going to have a party here in 4 hours for the Colts game..doing ribs!

COLTS?! *spit* I'll never forgive them for sneaking out of Baltimore then keeping the name!

You nailed the Obama dilemma, though.

312 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:54:23am

re: #275 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'd love to see Obama take a fling at the "Gloom, despair and agony o'er me" sketch.

Excessive misery.

313 Syrah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:54:40am

re: #298 Syrah

Nothing about France yet, but Amsterdam seems to be having some problems with Car-B-ques.

Wrong country. False alarm. Never mind. . .

314 pink freud  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:54:54am

re: #299 wright1

I disagree

So do I. Stephanopoulis didn't "provide a follow up question" to "clear things up" ...he replaced the given answer.

315 DaddyO  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:55:27am

re: #309 wright1

[Link: www.vmaweb.com...]

316 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:55:29am

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

COLTS?! *spit* I'll never forgive them for sneaking out of Baltimore then keeping the name!

You nailed the Obama dilemma, though.

goddess ,,, SPITTING !?!?!?!?! There goes that virginesque/ prim and proper image I have of you !

317 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:55:30am

re: #307 right_on_target

If you go to the YouTube site look at the view counter.
Censored view counter

Never seen that done before. Strange.

318 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:55:30am

re: #243 Sprite

Yes, I'd forgotten about the "beauty of the Muslim call to prayer".

Its quite clear (and true of his own admission) that Obama has considerable exposure to Islam, including some indoctrination as a child. Much of his family *IS* Muslim, after all.

But that said, I don't think anyone *seriously* believes he is a secretly practicing Muslim.

To the extent that his "Muslimness" (to coin a word) matters at all, its only to the extent that he has absorbed Islamic philosophy or ideology as a kid.

In other words, you don't have to be a practicing Catholic to have had your worldview shaped by several years in Catholic school, etc.

319 addison  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:55:49am

Random note: I received an e-mail from the McCain campaign that had no mention of Obama or Biden or even Democrats in it.

As Gmail is wont to do, it read the e-mail.

Gmail's recommended link at the top of the page?

Free Obama-Biden Sticker - pol.moveon.org/barackstickers - No charge. Going fast. Even the shipping's free.


An e-mail from McCain triggers a Google recommendation of going to moveon.org.

320 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:55:54am

This NY Times column by Kristof refers to the Obama quote, and confirms it.

Strange how this column is still online, but the original one with the quote isn't.

321 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:56:26am

re: #297 HoosierHoops

They've already made fun of her and it's funny.

322 realwest  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:56:28am

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta go mush some lunch now!
I hope you all have a great day, and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

323 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:56:53am

re: #290 realwest

Who was the first one?

leadbelly

Registered since: Oct 9, 2007 at 9:45 am

No. of comments posted: 53
No. of links posted: 0

#261 leadbelly 9/07/2008 9:57:10 am PDT

Why are you guys so upset? I just asked when Charles ever considered joining the military. I have to admit...I have before, but I don't think I can place the exact time I thought those things. How about you?

324 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:57:06am

I can see why Obama denies being a Muslim. Wasn't he born in manger in Bethlehem?

325 goofeeem  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:57:15am
COLTS?! *spit* I'll never forgive them for sneaking out of Baltimore then keeping the name!

I am sooo with you on that!

326 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:57:29am

re: #177 looking closely

Freudian slip.

Obama did go to Muslim school, and claimed that the sound of the Muslim call to prayer was one of the most beautiful sounds on the planet.

More interestingly, according to the NY Times, he can still recite it by heart!

327 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:57:30am

re: #322 realwest

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta go mush some lunch now!
I hope you all have a great day, and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

you sure eat a lot !

328 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:57:32am

re: #286 jorline

Boast away yma.

Thank you!

:-)))

329 BlueCanuck  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:57:44am

re: #308 Optimizer

Isn't it? I have been looking for the book up here but no luck yet. I may have to break down and order it off Amazon used. Love his wit in his blogs though. Luskin is definitely and Anti-Idiotarian.

330 mfarmer1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:57:51am

During his next sit down interview sans teleprompter, perhaps he'll tell us about his Marxist economic beliefs and George can jump in with the free market correction.

331 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:58:11am

re: #324 opnion

I can see why Obama denies being a Muslim. Wasn't he born in manger in Bethlehem?

lol...good one!

332 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:58:36am

re: #299 wright1
leslein dinged you down. I dinged you up.

333 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:58:43am

re: #327 sattv4u2

you sure eat a lot !

Keeps beggin for bacon.

334 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:58:43am

re: #309 wright1

Sarah can arrange that if you like

While giving birth.

335 baxtrice  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:58:52am

re: #291 Desert Dog

You're right, they will take that hatred of Bush to their graves and beyond...But, if he's not in office, they will come across as even more pathetic that they already are. And, you know they will transfer some of that burning searing hatred to President McCain too...

Last week, I went surfing through some of those leftist sites, trying to view the political stream in it's whole. All I got was basically: "Bush's fault, Bush = Evil, McCain = Bush = Evil" and a TON of socialist propaganda in coded language (economic fairness, economic democracy..etc..). And it's all said through either an narration of Hate or Victimization. And looking back on my own 8 years under Bush, I don't see the same reaction. I don't see the trampling on the Constitution that they are claiming, or the claims of Fascism. They are blanketed in their own ignorance and anger. They will continue to push the hate on each and every Republican whether it be John McCain or Sarah Palin.

336 vagabond trader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:59:05am

Things you'll never hear out of John McCain's mouth:

My Muslim faith

I almost joined the military

God Damn Amerikka

337 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:59:10am

re: #316 sattv4u2

goddess ,,, SPITTING !?!?!?!?! There goes that virginesque/ prim and proper image I have of you !

Oh, I'm only do that in my cat persona!

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

338 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:59:24am

re: #240 Desert Dog

What will all the Obama Stooges over at PMSNBC do when Obama loses? Will there be a mass suicide? They will not have Bush to blame any longer and their "Chosen One" lost...I will enjoy that moment...every second of it...

There is already a blueprint for what they'll do. . .its exactly what they did to Bush.

If McCain wins, welcome to 4 (or hopefully 8) years of rabid frothing attacks on McCain.

Hopefully McCain will handle them better than Bush did.

339 BingoBunny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:59:38am

what George did was save his bacon.. wish it had gone on to a point Barry wanted to make first.

340 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:59:46am

re: #294 zombie

Here's part of the research for my never-to-be-completed Obama Rumor page:

Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is one of "The prettiest sounds on earth" and can recite it by heart in Arabic.

Status: True.

Obama describing the Muslim call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on earth"

The New York Times URl for the source is "temporarily off-line." Hmmm. Suspicious.

What the prayer says:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "

/and they have more registered voters, more newly registered voters, and a far superior election day organized get out the vote ground game, McCain will need a double digit lead to win this

341 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:59:53am

re: #275 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'd love to see Obama take a fling at the "Gloom, despair and agony o'er me" sketch.

Gloom, despair and agony o'er me
What's Bad for America gets lots of votes for me
If it weren't for George Bush I'd have no strategy
Gloom, despair and agony o'er me

342 seekeroftruth  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:59:55am

re: #320 zombie

This NY Times column by Kristof refers to the Obama quote, and confirms it.

Strange how this column is still online, but the original one with the quote isn't.

Here is the quote from Obama's own website:
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

''I was a little Jakarta street kid,'' he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, [Link: www.nytimes.com...] He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his
elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics -- and more likely to be aware of their nationalism -- if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ''one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.''

343 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 10:59:56am

Obama throws his mouth under the bus.

344 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:00:10am

re: #335 baxtrice

The greatest insult that 0bambi knows is "Rove-style politics" or "he agrees with Bush, or even Cheney".

I'm just waiting for BushChimpHitler to slip out of 0bambi's mouth, I mean on camera.

345 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:00:43am

re: #297 HoosierHoops

You're absolutely spot on!

some things cannot be faked - not even with the best of spin doctors, and thats someone being an honest, authenic human being.

That's John McCain and Sarah Palin.

346 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:00:51am

re: #307 right_on_target
yep still at 244.

347 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:00:51am

re: #343 HelloDare

Obama throws his mouth under the bus.

Oh so that's where he hides his bacon.

348 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:00:56am

re: #343 HelloDare

Obama throws his mouth under the bus.

This is not the mouth I knew.

349 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:00:58am

re: #343 HelloDare

Obama throws his mouth under the bus.

Can his ears be far behind?

350 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:01:19am

re: #319 addison

Free Obama-Biden Sticker - pol.moveon.org/barackstickers - No charge. Going fast. Even the shipping's free.

What's next? Paying people to take a bumpersticker?

351 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:01:54am

re: #350 MandyManners

What's next? Paying people to take a bumpersticker?

Free Bumpers

352 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:02:11am

re: #324 opnion

I can see why Obama denies being a Muslim. Wasn't he born in manger in Bethlehem?

No. . .
Though he is, apparently, confused about the status of Jerusalem.

353 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:02:45am

re: #226 Sprite

Has anyone kept a running list of O's ties (of various degrees) to Islam?

Ive got:

~ born to a Muslim father = he is a Muslim
~ schooling in Indonesia
~ Wright and his Masters degree in Islam
~ campaigning for Raila Odinga in Kenya
~ church ties to Farrakhan and NOI
~ Mansoor/sponsorship to Harvard
~ ties to Rezko/his Syrian roots
~ "my Muslim faith"
~ "Iran's a tiny country and no danger" (or something to that effect)
~ willingness to negotiate without precondition with terrorist states
~ attempts to hide Muslim affiliation (burka girls at rally)
~ no drilling for oil = keep us on the Muslim teat and transfer our wealth
~ Hamas support/fund raising
~ 'that' flag pin, failure to put hand over heart during Pledge of Allegiance
~ taqiyya-esque (in my view) efforts to bring down the U.S. through other
Marxian means

I've believed he's a closet Muslim for some time now. It is precisely because of that that I am Obamaphobic. I pray that McCain/Palin succeed.


There is more,
No just Islamic instruction in Indonesia, but Koranic which is considered advanced.
From the Audacity of Hope, "I will stand with the Mulims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

354 Outrider  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:02:57am

It is possibly a Freudian slip of another, more benign sort: He states, "John McCain has not, uh talked about (pause) my Muslim faith, and you're absolutely right..."
Could this not be a Freudian slip in regards to so any people speculating that he is indeed Muslim and that fact is a major worry to him? Just curious.

355 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:02:59am

re: #350 MandyManners

What's next? Paying people to take a bumpersticker?

If you lick an Obama bumper sticker, you have a psychedelic experience.

356 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:03:03am

re: #350 MandyManners

re: #351 Shug

Have Oprah giving out free cars for every Obama vote

357 RickZ  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:03:06am

re: #351 Shug

Free Bumpers

Free cars. And free houses with garages to park them in.

358 BlueCanuck  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:03:07am

re: #337 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't know about PBMB, but this is what happened to the last cat that woke me up before my alarm clock. ;)

359 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:03:09am

re: #318 looking closely

Its quite clear (and true of his own admission) that Obama has considerable exposure to Islam, including some indoctrination as a child. Much of his family *IS* Muslim, after all.

But that said, I don't think anyone *seriously* believes he is a secretly practicing Muslim.

To the extent that his "Muslimness" (to coin a word) matters at all, its only to the extent that he has absorbed Islamic philosophy or ideology as a kid.

In other words, you don't have to be a practicing Catholic to have had your worldview shaped by several years in Catholic school, etc.

I disagree.
With this man's radical ties to Ayers, Wright and yes Farrakhan and with all we know about him is it possible he a believer in Islam?- yes. T presume otherwise is to take himat his word - I am not willing to do that because his word is different on any given day.

360 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:03:12am

re: #350 MandyManners

What's next? Paying people to take a bumpersticker?

They will take bumpers from the rich and give them to the poor "bumper-less" people.

361 Sprite  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:03:22am

re: #318 looking closely

I basically agree with you, except that over the years - and in the not so recent past - he has cultivated many ties (and even campaigned for, in '06, I believe) those who actively support the imposition of Sharia law.

The Wright Masters degree and O's support for Odinga disturb me more than most of the other items on my 'association' list.

362 Salem  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:03:37am

Yeah, it's an innocent gaffe. But two things will strike anyone who watches the video-Obomba's increasingly troubled stammering and Steffy's reflexive toady correction.

363 Spiny Norman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:03:45am

re: #258 Desert Dog

How can Olbermann and Chris Matthews ever come back from where they are? They are so far up Obama's butt, they will have to come out the other end.

Lemmiwinks? Wha... ?

364 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:03:46am

re: #326 zombie

More interestingly, according to the NY Times, he can still recite it by heart!

With a perfect Arabic accent.

365 Biff  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:04:03am

Sorry Lynn B. you got it wrong. There was no "uh" between "my" and "muslim faith". It was probably the smoothest phrase out of his mouth.

re: #247 Lynn B.

[Obama] What I was suggesting ... You are absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my uh Muslim faith, and you're absolutely right that that is not ...

[Stephanopolous] Christian faith

[Obama] ... that my, my Christian faith, and, well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm I'm I'm a Muslim, and I think that uh his uh his campaign uh upper echelons have not either.

366 ZoomieMSgt  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:04:20am

re: #350 MandyManners

What's next? Paying people to take a bumpersticker?

I hear opportunity knocking! I'm going to order a couple dozen, then a few dozen more, as many as I can...keep them out of ignorant hands and cost the libs money at the same time? Bonus!

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:04:21am

re: #312 MandyManners

Excessive misery.

Wonderful! Just sent the link to a friend's work e-mail for his Monday Morning Wakeup Call.

Excuse my tardiness in responding. I'm working my way down the thread.

368 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:04:30am

re: #353 opnion

Have they named a Madras after him yet?

Get yo ass into the Obama Madras.

369 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:04:35am

re: #364 opnion

With a perfect Arabic accent.

Well, if that is the only thing you do in "school" in Indonesia, you tend to remember it.

370 baxtrice  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:04:57am

re: #344 itellu3times

The greatest insult that 0bambi knows is "Rove-style politics" or "he agrees with Bush, or even Cheney".

I'm just waiting for BushChimpHitler to slip out of 0bambi's mouth, I mean on camera.

Someone needs to tell them "that's so 2004". Maybe we can get Paris Hilton to say that! LOL

371 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:05:20am

re: #357 RickZ

Free cars. And free houses with garages to park them in.

Free superhighways, only you can drive on.

372 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:05:22am

re: #354 Outrider

It is possibly a Freudian slip of another, more benign sort: He states, "John McCain has not, uh talked about (pause) my Muslim faith, and you're absolutely right..."
Could this not be a Freudian slip in regards to so any people speculating that he is indeed Muslim and that fact is a major worry to him? Just curious.

much ado about nothing, IMHO. I saw it and immediatly knew what he meant (that McCain has said nothing about the speculation of Barry being a Muslim) It's great fun to talk about this, much like the birth certificate flap, but I KNOW McCain/ Palin can beat Obama/ Biden in the debates on issues

373 Captain Jack  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:05:31am

With Dems the media role seems be to act as little helpers. The Swift boat attack by an independent group in 2004 would have been presented by the mainstream media if it would hurt Republicans but since it hurt dems they had to do their best to try to ignore it or debunk it (the NY Times tried its best ). I fully expect a last minute attack by the media such as the Bush's 1976 DWI brought up in 2000 or the CBS Dan Rather National Guard hit in 2004. If this was the 1990 the CBS Rather hit would NOT have been debunked and Mr. Rather would have had the power to choose the US President. The amazing thing is it is the Republicans that are labeled the fascists.

374 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:05:39am

The golden mouth is leaden.

375 Optimizer  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:05:43am

re: #180 Maine's Michael

I think the author of that needs a cold shower...

Heh.

376 zombie  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:06:04am

re: #342 seekeroftruth

Thank you!

I was looking for an altrernate source -- B.O.'s own Web site will do nicely!

I vote for this being an update: B.O.'s own campaign Website quotes the NY Times thus,

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ''one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.

A reminder: the prayer says,

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "

377 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:06:05am

re: #353 opnion

There is more,
No just Islamic instruction in Indonesia, but Koranic which is considered advanced.
From the Audacity of Hope, "I will stand with the Mu[s]lims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

A statement that legitimately gives one pause as to his likely response to the Islamic Republic of ("Death to America") Iran's ongoing efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

378 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:06:19am

re: #350 MandyManners

What's next? Paying people to take a bumpersticker?

Nope. They gotta keep some cash on hand for Election Day. Gotta pay them folks to push the "D" on the touch screens after all.

379 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:06:30am

re: #325 goofeeem

I am sooo with you on that!


As much as i would like to down ding you.. I respect you opinion and will not..
But as americans we admire redempion and we have a team and more importantly a coach that has values that the hoopster really respects..we win for all the right reasons..we show sportsmanship..He inspires millions with his life story of over coming the odds..
Dungy inspires me..

380 politicalinsomniac  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:06:41am

re: #13 DM Glampers

Although I get great pleasure from all the jokes about the 57 states, I believe this is another example of simply a slip of the tongue. (Made more likely due to the fact that the interview was teleprompter-free.)

True. But when will we see the Obama joke books hitting the stores - oh wait, that's only for Bush.

381 seekeroftruth  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:07:05am

re: #376 zombie

Perfect. Has my vote as well.

382 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:07:26am

re: #376 zombie


Bingo

383 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:07:29am

McCain/Palin are th bee's knees.

/however, barring a national epiphany, I'm not seeing it happen, too many odds

384 politicalinsomniac  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:08:06am

re: #372 sattv4u2

much ado about nothing, IMHO. I saw it and immediatly knew what he meant (that McCain has said nothing about the speculation of Barry being a Muslim) It's great fun to talk about this, much like the birth certificate flap, but I KNOW McCain/ Palin can beat Obama/ Biden in the debates on issues

completely agree with your last point

385 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:08:10am

re: #369 Desert Dog

Well, if that is the only thing you do in "school" in Indonesia, you tend to remember it.


Yeah but he still uses the pronunciation. he does not sat Taliban, He says Taleeban. Very curious since his time in Indonesia was not really that long & they do not speak Arabic

386 vagabond trader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:08:49am

A lovely Christian lady always told me "What comes out of your mouth is what is truly in your heart."

387 So?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:09:00am

If you wanna know about the stains on the mattress...

/issues

388 claire  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:09:16am

I saw a funny sign yesterday:

People to be afraid of: Osama, Obama and Yo' Mama!

389 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:09:17am

re: #340 Killian Bundy

But not too early - otherwise people will think, with such a lead McCain don't need my vote ... and won't go to the polls.

390 bcgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:09:24am

i am gonna take a head shot of my beautiful female pit bull, with her huge "pitbull smile" and enlarge it-out lipstick on it, and take it with me to meet the next VP of the US, and it will say pitbulls for palin!

btw- talking about lipstick, ithough it was nice that neither Sarah or Cindy McCain wore bright lipstick on the convention night, but


re: #297 HoosierHoops

Hey fellow lizard
here is the deal..everybody is kindof making fun about the hay and Indiana
I know i am..
But when Sarah gets here nobody is going to make fun of her even if she wears a straw hat
because she has what nobody else has on the Dem ticket..
Authentic persona..
you can't buy it
you can't have Madison ave make it or commercialize it
you can't fake it
When Sarah gets here I'll be there camera in hand..
And trust me it will be so much better than zombies picture where ya got to hold one hand over your eyes..just in case the bleach is low..
..I'm teasing you zom..you know that

391 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:09:56am

re: #343 HelloDare

Obama throws his mouth under the bus.

He should check the inflation of his head.

392 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:10:07am

Stephanopoulos is nothing but a former clinton hack. He only got that job because he was connected to the right people. So it's no surprise he'd help cover 0bama's ass- he had years of the best training with bubba.

393 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:10:35am

re: #387 So?

If you wanna know about the stains on the mattress...

/issues


Because this country is in an entirely different debate is he is a Muslim that is why

394 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:10:49am

re: #358 BlueCanuck

I don't know about PBMB, but this is what happened to the last cat that woke me up before my alarm clock. ;)

A QUADRILLION UP-DINGS!

395 Sprite  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:11:34am

re: #353 opnion

Yes, opnion, clearly I've forgotten many more ties. That Audacity of Hope quote was a somewhat debunked by a blogger (I forget who) who quoted the entire paragraph from which that was taken. But the fact remains, he did say it in a deftly taqiyya-esque way.

396 vagabond trader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:11:52am

re: #376 zombie

Careful there, I have heard that if you repeat this prayer you are automatically a Muslim. lmao!

397 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:12:13am

re: #394 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A QUADRILLION UP-DINGS!


Forgive him goddess.

398 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:12:25am

re: #380 politicalinsomniac

True. But when will we see the Obama joke books hitting the stores - oh wait, that's only for Bush.

ROTFLMAO...

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399 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:12:32am

Let's face it, the idiots outnumber us.

/and they're given special voting privileges

400 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:12:42am

re: #396 vagabond trader

what if you say it backwards while eating a pork chop and drinking wine?

401 stevieray  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:12:54am

Heh.

I don't buy that a christian, with twenty years in the faith, would make this kind of mistake. Too long a time.

I heard that the Rev. Wright allowed NOI member to join the church w/o converting. I'd find the link, but I don't have time... gotta go rewire half a kitchen! I work harder on my weekends than I do during the workweek! Feh!

402 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:12:55am
"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!

Allah sang with Diana Ross?

403 Occam's Beard  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:13:04am

re: #384 politicalinsomniac

Me too. There was an ellipsis in his statement. He clearly meant "the issue of my Muslim faith, i.e., whether or not he is a Muslim.

Embarrassing, but clearly a slip of the tongue, just like the 57 states one.

404 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:13:09am

re: #397 HoosierHoops

Forgive him goddess.

NO!
PAIN!
I LOVE PAIN!

/s

405 Spiny Norman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:13:24am

re: #354 Outrider

It is possibly a Freudian slip of another, more benign sort: He states, "John McCain has not, uh talked about (pause) my Muslim faith, and you're absolutely right..."
Could this not be a Freudian slip in regards to so any people speculating that he is indeed Muslim and that fact is a major worry to him? Just curious.

In context, it certainly appears he's discussing McCain's not bringing up rumors of Barry's "alleged Muslim faith".

I do not think he's Muslim, or even really Christian, for that matter - Black Liberation Theology is "racialist" Marxism with a pseudo-Christian veneer - he's an Obaman, the founder of the Evangelical Church of the Obamessiah.

406 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:14:31am

OBAMAGAFFES - The Gifts that Keep on Giving. That is all.

-S-

407 Dream  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:14:31am

What's funny is that he catches himself on the experience line with Rick Warren when he is talking about Clarence Thomas...but he can't catch himself on a gaffe like this for some reason. I mean I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but still...this does not help things much.

408 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:14:52am

I think this muslim thing is a distraction. McCain does not need to touch it. If he does, it will make him look bad. Just stick to the issues and keep hammering Obama on that...

409 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:15:05am

re: #372 sattv4u2

much ado about nothing, IMHO. I saw it and immediatly knew what he meant (that McCain has said nothing about the speculation of Barry being a Muslim) It's great fun to talk about this, much like the birth certificate flap, but I KNOW McCain/ Palin can beat Obama/ Biden in the debates on issues

Agreed. Obama simply should have said "my supposed Muslim faith".

This is no different than Obama saying there are 57 states. We know he didn't really mean it, but its a pretty funny screw up anyway.

410 Salem  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:15:12am

Steffy didn't help at all. His knee-jerk school-marm correction totally derailed the point (however feeble) that Obomba was trying to make. I think Steffy's had it. ABC is going to consign him to the mop-division.

411 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:15:17am

re: #395 Sprite

Yes, opnion, clearly I've forgotten many more ties. That Audacity of Hope quote was a somewhat debunked by a blogger (I forget who) who quoted the entire paragraph from which that was taken. But the fact remains, he did say it in a deftly taqiyya-esque way.

Yes, there is a lot out there. I am not claiming that he is a Muslim.
He went to that bigoted, faux, Christian church for 20 years.
It is just that , I think that the guy has residual Islamic sympathies.
IN a war agaist Islamic terror , I would prefer to have my President clear on his loyalties.

412 Octohedron[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:16:02am
413 vagabond trader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:16:25am

re: #400 Desert Dog

You're possibly the rev Wright partying it up at his mansion in the gated. community

414 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:16:46am

re: #386 vagabond trader

A lovely Christian lady always told me "What comes out of your mouth is what is truly in your heart."

/And I always thought Sigmund Freud was a Jewish male.

415 HoosierHoops  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:16:52am

re: #404 pre-Boomer Marine brat

NO!
PAIN!
I LOVE PAIN!

/s

how about a friendly game of basketball professor?

416 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:16:57am

re: #405 Spiny Norman

Black Liberation Theology is "racialist" Marxism with a pseudo-Christian veneer

Bingo. Any religion which says that if God doesn't agree with our secular agenda then we must fight him, isn't about God at all.

417 Outrider  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:17:09am

re: #372 sattv4u2

much ado about nothing, IMHO. I saw it and immediatly knew what he meant (that McCain has said nothing about the speculation of Barry being a Muslim) It's great fun to talk about this, much like the birth certificate flap, but I KNOW McCain/ Palin can beat Obama/ Biden in the debates on issues

I am so looking forward to those debates! Sen Mcain who excels at speaking without a teleprompter versus Sen Obama who stutters, hems, and haws and has problems with facts without advance preparation; Then we have Sen Biden, who has his own problem dealing with spontaneous remarks versus Gov Palin who always seems well prepared and is an adroit speaker.

It will be a slaughter and debacle.

418 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:17:31am

re: #411 opnion

It is just that , I think that the guy has residual Islamic sympathies.
IN a war agaist Islamic terror , I would prefer to have my President clear on his loyalties

Exactly.

419 Biff  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:17:34am

Obamadras Day Care Centers

420 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:17:39am

Yeah, this gaffe machine should talk to Ahmadinejad. "Jeez, I didn't mean to give him Hawaii. We were just talking..."

421 Sprite  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:18:13am

re: #411 opnion

Precisely!

422 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:18:39am

re: #408 Desert Dog

I think this muslim thing is a distraction. McCain does not need to touch it. If he does, it will make him look bad. Just stick to the issues and keep hammering Obama on that...

I agree- McCain should just continue to drive the energy issue home.

423 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:18:58am

re: #417 Outrider

I am so looking forward to those debates! Sen Mcain who excels at speaking without a teleprompter versus Sen Obama who stutters, hems, and haws and has problems with facts without advance preparation; Then we have Sen Biden, who has his own problem dealing with spontaneous remarks versus Gov Palin who always seems well prepared and is an adroit speaker.

It will be a slaughter and debacle.

Ya cant have a good BBQ without having a slaughter first... First ya have to kill it, then ya grill it...

424 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:19:00am

re: #408 Desert Dog

I think this muslim thing is a distraction. McCain does not need to touch it. If he does, it will make him look bad. Just stick to the issues and keep hammering Obama on that...

Yep - far better to let B0 and his campaign moan about what McCain and Palin will say about him ... and not doing it but getting into the nitty-gritty.

425 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:19:10am

re: #416 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Barack Liberation Theology.

426 debutaunt  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:19:16am

re: #307 right_on_target

If you go to the YouTube site look at the view counter.
Censored view counter

It just jumped to over 1,700.

427 Spiny Norman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:19:18am

re: #407 Dream

What's funny is that he catches himself on the experience line with Rick Warren when he is talking about Clarence Thomas...but he can't catch himself on a gaffe like this for some reason. I mean I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but still...this does not help things much.

Probaby because his guard was down somewhat, - he's obviously more comfortable with a compliant George Stephanopoulos who will only lob softballs, rather than a Rick Warren who asked real questions requiring real answers.

428 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:19:29am

re: #376 zombie

A reminder: the prayer says,

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "

This is also the shahada, isn't it? The prayer you need to recite in order to become a Muslim?

429 The Shadow Do  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:19:55am

re: #411 opnion

Yes, there is a lot out there. I am not claiming that he is a Muslim.
He went to that bigoted, faux, Christian church for 20 years.
It is just that , I think that the guy has residual Islamic sympathies.
IN a war agaist Islamic terror , I would prefer to have my President clear on his loyalties.

Well, you know in this conflict between Islamists and Americans, that uh, we should have all sides, you know, uh, step back...

/

430 Archimedes  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:21:00am

To be straight, I think what he's saying there is that McCain hasn't asked him about him being a Muslim. That's the impression I get from the last few seconds of that video.

Not to say it isn't a Freudian slip, because it could be.

431 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:21:05am

re: #428 Josephine

This is also the shahada, isn't it? The prayer you need to recite in order to become a Muslim?


Yep.

432 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:21:12am

re: #408 Desert Dog

I think this muslim thing is a distraction. McCain does not need to touch it. If he does, it will make him look bad. Just stick to the issues and keep hammering Obama on that...

I have a hunch that Obama would dearly LOVE for McCain to touch it (or even appear to). That would let Obama play the victim card.

433 Syrah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:21:23am

re: #422 Sharmuta

I agree- McCain should just continue to drive the energy issue home.

Interesting how the tables have turned.

McCain is now the one acting while Obama is the one reacting.

A clear indication of the tide of the election.

Hope it lasts.

434 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:21:49am

re: #432 pre-Boomer Marine brat

that is why McCain has to leave it alone...

435 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:21:55am

re: #417 Outrider

I am so looking forward to those debates! Sen Mcain who excels at speaking without a teleprompter versus Sen Obama who stutters, hems, and haws and has problems with facts without advance preparation; Then we have Sen Biden, who has his own problem dealing with spontaneous remarks versus Gov Palin who always seems well prepared and is an adroit speaker.

It will be a slaughter and debacle.

It's not as great as you might think. The debates are always structured so that the candidates can just rattle off talking points. They pretty much know the topics and question ahead of time, and they practice like crazy. McCain will try to steer into more of a candid Q&A, but Obama will never allow it.

436 Spiny Norman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:21:59am

re: #420 HelloDare

Yeah, this gaffe machine should talk to Ahmadinejad. "Jeez, I didn't mean to give him Hawaii. We were just talking..."

Good one!

;^)

437 Maximu§  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:22:07am

re: #3 USA

That is going to leave a mark.

Yeah, a skid-mark.

438 wright1  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:22:10am

re: #432 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I have a hunch that Obama would dearly LOVE for McCain to touch it (or even appear to). That would let Obama play the victim card.


Won't happen, McCain is too smart

439 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:23:14am

re: #422 Sharmuta

I agree- McCain should just continue to drive the energy issue home.

I spoke with a left leaning gentleman last night- he mentioned the oil fields in North Dakota. I said drilling for American oil would create a lot of jobs and reduce the price at the pump, and that I felt it was the cost of fuel that was really hurting our economy. The more the issue kept coming up over the course of the night, I would just start chanting "drill, Baby, drill!". I think I chuipped away at this guys vote for 0bama. I think it's the winning issue- McCain just needs to drive that baby all the way home.

440 jas  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:23:38am
441 looking closely  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:23:58am

re: #417 Outrider

I am so looking forward to those debates! Sen Mcain who excels at speaking without a teleprompter versus Sen Obama who stutters, hems, and haws and has problems with facts without advance preparation; Then we have Sen Biden, who has his own problem dealing with spontaneous remarks versus Gov Palin who always seems well prepared and is an adroit speaker.

It will be a slaughter and debacle.


If it were a truly open debate, I think that's likely. But how this turns out depends on the format.

The Obama/Biden camp will try and have the format be as "closed" as possible, with scripted questions, and as little interchange as possible.

442 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:24:06am

re: #439 Sharmuta

Err- chipped. PIMF.

443 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:24:27am

re: #439 Sharmuta

McCain just needs to drive that baby all the way home.

Like a stake into a Vampire's heart...

444 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:24:43am

re: #376 zombie

Thank you!

I was looking for an altrernate source -- B.O.'s own Web site will do nicely!

I vote for this being an update: B.O.'s own campaign Website quotes the NY Times thus,

wow. thats just awesome.

and its on HIS OWN WEBSITE!

445 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:24:50am

re: #429 The Shadow Do

Well, you know in this conflict between Islamists and Americans, that uh, we should have all sides, you know, uh, step back...

/

You right, I lost my head.

446 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:25:10am

re: #416 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bingo. Any religion which says that if God doesn't agree with our secular agenda then we must fight him, isn't about God at all.

James Cone pal of Wright and creator of BLT defines the theology: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

447 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:25:15am

re: #439 Sharmuta

That sounds like a fun date.

/Just teasing, Shar.

448 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:25:21am

re: #219 zombie

THWAPPP!

Taste the whip, Kossacks!

Latest Poll: Gallup Daily results: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45%

Please, I beg of you, come up with some more fraudulent smears against Palin! Help us stretch that lead to double-digits!

More than that, I expect if McCain starts puling ahead in the polls, it will start an avalanche in his direction, as people who may have been shy of expressing their preferences (out of fear of catching crap from the interviewer or the people standing around), may be less shy knowing their view is in the majority.

449 BlueCanuck  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:25:21am

re: #433 Syrah

Interesting how the tables have turned.

McCain is now the one acting while Obama is the one reacting.

A clear indication of the tide of the election.

Hope it lasts.

That's because McCain understands his OODA loops. :)

/also never interrupt an enemy that's in the process of making a mistake.

450 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:25:23am

McCain will make enough hay with Rev. Wright. Why bother to go into the Muslim stuff. Anybody with a braincell to rub on another one knows that when you get adopted, you are going to the church they take you to. His support from the Saudis is another matter all together.

451 Shug  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:25:37am

re: #356 sattv4u2

re: #351 Shug

Have Oprah giving out free cars for every Obama vote

all those taxes to be paid

Send the bills to "the rich "

452 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:25:57am

re: #429 The Shadow Do

Well, you know in this conflict between Islamists and Americans, that uh, we should have all sides, you know, uh, step back...

/

Why...

453 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:26:42am

re: #434 Desert Dog

i agree. McCain wont touch it. he's gotta look "presidential" - so he's gotta play his strengths - foreign policy and energy.

454 Outrider  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:26:52am

re: #405 Spiny Norman

In context, it certainly appears he's discussing McCain's not bringing up rumors of Barry's "alleged Muslim faith".

I do not think he's Muslim, or even really Christian, for that matter - Black Liberation Theology is "racialist" Marxism with a pseudo-Christian veneer - he's an Obaman, the founder of the Evangelical Church of the Obamessiah.

I have never bought into the thought that Sen Obama was Muslim.

But, I have never bought into the propaganda that he was a Christian either. I have always thought his conversion was one of convenience for election purposes. He selected and attended a church that in all likelihood appealed to his constituency at that time, but is an embarrassment on a national level. The average American just can not support the theology his church, not just the preacher supports.

455 godfrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:26:57am

I agree, Sharmuta, and McCain/Palin also need to keep firing on all cylinders. If you're a reformer, you need to project energy and can-do attitude. Get the proposals out there, keep pumping them up, and make that idiot Obama look like the clueless flailing "student" he really is. This is no time to kick back. This is the time for picking up speed toward the final sprint.

456 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:27:11am

re: #219 zombie

Latest Poll: Gallup Daily results: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45%

There are that many bigots in the U.S.? Who knew. //

457 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:27:18am

re: #447 Josephine

lol- no date, but I did get to have some free wine and food and talk politics, so it was fun.

458 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:27:25am

re: #452 doriangrey

he's being ironic - remember the georgia/russian gaffe of obama's?

459 ZoomieMSgt  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:27:45am

re: #452 doriangrey

Why...

Because Islamists tend to go boom alot? Stepping back is a wise course of action, gives the Marine sniper a clear field of view. ;)

460 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:27:45am

re: #439 Sharmuta

I spoke with a left leaning gentleman last night- he mentioned the oil fields in North Dakota. I said drilling for American oil would create a lot of jobs and reduce the price at the pump, and that I felt it was the cost of fuel that was really hurting our economy. The more the issue kept coming up over the course of the night, I would just start chanting "drill, Baby, drill!". I think I chuipped away at this guys vote for 0bama. I think it's the winning issue- McCain just needs to drive that baby all the way home.

Obama will just adapt to the polls. "I've uhhh, I've said repeatedly that uhhh, we should do uhhh, everything we can to, to, to produce energy here in America. And that includes uhhh, opening up new areas for drilling."

461 Biff  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:27:55am

What makes this whole discussion very amusing is that HE REALLY IS A MUSLIM.

When he was born a muslim (to a muslim father), and raised and educated as a muslim (how else does he know the call to prayer in accented arabic), and regularly taken to a mosque by his muslim step-father in a muslim country (Indonesia), and then at age 26 "converts" to Christianity by an ex-muslim minsiter who is a personal friend of Louis Farrakahn, then makes the statement "my muslim faith" on national tv without immediately correcting himself, I'd say it is highly likely that he is a muslim.

462 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:28:00am

re: #434 Desert Dog

that is why McCain has to leave it alone...

And it might be a sign of desperation on Obama's part that he is ... in a sense ... begging for McCain to bring it up, or trying to put words into McCain's mouth by indirection.

/"he hasn't been calling me a Muslim ..." with the ellipses being the unspoken cue to his surrogates.

463 godfrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:29:10am

He's no practicing Muslim. What he is, is confused.

Which is in some ways, worse.

464 NelsFree  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:29:14am

re: #396 vagabond trader

Careful there, I have heard that if you repeat this prayer you are automatically a Muslim. lmao!

You must recite "There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his Prophet" in Arabic, in the presence of two Muslim witnesses.

465 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:29:20am

re: #460 cliffster

Obama will just adapt to the polls. "I've uhhh, I've said repeatedly that uhhh, we should do uhhh, everything we can to, to, to produce energy here in America. And that includes uhhh, opening up new areas for drilling."

I uh..think that would uh...go over well. Well- like an oil well, yeah- that's the ticket!

466 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:29:26am

re: #439 Sharmuta

I spoke with a left leaning gentleman last night- he mentioned the oil fields in North Dakota. I said drilling for American oil would create a lot of jobs and reduce the price at the pump, and that I felt it was the cost of fuel that was really hurting our economy. The more the issue kept coming up over the course of the night, I would just start chanting "drill, Baby, drill!". I think I chuipped away at this guys vote for 0bama. I think it's the winning issue- McCain just needs to drive that baby all the way home.

Bakken oil fields are "one county north" of Theodore Roosevelt National Park.
Do the mathpolitics.

467 Cato  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:29:37am

You guys know this is only a slip of the tongue, so stop making something out of it. BHO has already told us that he favors a violent Afro-centric christianity to a violent Afro-centric Islam.

His word on that should be good enough for you.

468 Syrah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:29:40am

re: #454 Outrider

I have never bought into the thought that Sen Obama was Muslim.

But, I have never bought into the propaganda that he was a Christian either. I have always thought his conversion was one of convenience for election purposes. He selected and attended a church that in all likelihood appealed to his constituency at that time, but is an embarrassment on a national level. The average American just can not support the theology his church, not just the preacher supports.

It's marks him as an opportunist. 20 years attending and then out when it was no longer helpful to his cause. The church did not change, just his need for it.

469 satan sidekick  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:29:43am

re: #79 rwmofo


Did you catch Biden's gaffe of mistakenly calling the Shites Sunnis and then being corrected during the same interview?

Check out minute 5 of this 8 minute interview on this youtube video.

470 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:30:30am

re: #448 RememberSekhmet?

More than that, I expect if McCain starts puling ahead in the polls, it will start an avalanche in his direction, as people who may have been shy of expressing their preferences (out of fear of catching crap from the interviewer or the people standing around), may be less shy knowing their view is in the majority.


If the polls start breaking bad, look for the Obama campaign to get more hysterical. They are not that adept. They have taken the bait & are now running against Sarah Palin. That was clear from all of the surrogates this morning. I hate to see her so smeared, but they make a huge mistake.

471 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:30:55am

re: #459 ZoomieMSgt

Because Islamists tend to go boom alot? Stepping back is a wise course of action, gives the Marine sniper a clear field of view. ;)

Heh heh heh first thing that came to my mind, just wanted The Shadow Do to clarify that I wasnt misunderstanding him...

472 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:31:23am

My racist wife just sent me this by e-mail:

Why It's Important To Understand English
I had a bunch of Canadian dollars I needed to exchange, so I went to the currency exchange window at the local bank.
Short line.
Just one lady in front of me . . an Asian lady who was trying to exchange yen for dollars and she was a little irritated . . .
She asked the teller, 'Why it change? Yesterday, I get two hunat dolla of yen. Today I get hunat eighty? Why it change?'
The teller shrugged his shoulders and said, 'Fluctuations'.
The Asian lady says, 'Fluc you white people, too!

473 Outrider  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:31:49am

re: #423 doriangrey

Ya cant have a good BBQ without having a slaughter first... First ya have to kill it, then ya grill it...

No sense having a BBQ if you don't have a dead beastie ready to fling on the coals.

I will let others, obviously far more sophisticated than I, refer to it as grilling and not BBQ; as I will let them toss on and BBQ the poor slaughtered veggies instead of dead beast.

474 the_flying_pig  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:31:50am

We need to test Obama's faith by making him eat a bag of pork rinds or dried bacon bits.

475 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:31:52am

re: #432 pre-Boomer Marine brat

obama plays the victim card even more than the race card with or without any Republican assistance.

476 DeafDog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:32:22am

re: #439 Sharmuta

I spoke with a left leaning gentleman last night- he mentioned the oil fields in North Dakota. I said drilling for American oil would create a lot of jobs and reduce the price at the pump, and that I felt it was the cost of fuel that was really hurting our economy. The more the issue kept coming up over the course of the night, I would just start chanting "drill, Baby, drill!". I think I chuipped away at this guys vote for 0bama. I think it's the winning issue- McCain just needs to drive that baby all the way home.

It's a $700B a year economic stimulous package, which is what we are sending overseas now. Let's see the Dems match that!

477 Biff  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:33:29am

re: #456 HelloDare
And that poll data is still missing 1/3 of the respondents on the last day of the RNC. Good chance McCain/Palin hit 49% on Monday. Also note that since the first week in August there is an 11% swing, 50/42% to 45/48%.

Gallop tracking graph

478 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:33:39am

re: #446 HelloDare

James Cone pal of Wright and creator of BLT defines the theology: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

Yes, that's precisely the Cone quote I was alluding to.

IMHO, Cone had no comprehension at all of the Judeo/Christian God, or of the Christian Gospels. Furthermore, Cone appears to consider himself to be above the very concept of "a God". Incredible hubris.

479 Salem  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:34:23am

Barring some fantasy McCain scandal Obomba is toast. He can only hope to survive the debates. He can't get too negative because his teflon is used up. there is nothing he can say to turn the McCain momentum and if there was he isn't shrewd enough to say it. He can melt-down further, but he can't get it back together because there was never any "together". There was just Hillary and Bush fatigue.

480 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:34:44am

re: #466 jwb7605

Sorry- I think we'll end up drilling our own oil. Much cheaper to remove it and transport it in the lower 48 than getting it from Alaska.

481 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:35:22am

re: #476 DeafDog

It's a $700B a year economic stimulous package, which is what we are sending overseas now. Let's see the Dems match that!

Exactly- what better why to flip the house of saud the bird?

482 Josephine  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:36:03am

re: #457 Sharmuta

It sounds like fun!

I was chuckling at the image of a strong, intelligent woman driving home her point about Obama and the thought of how that might not impress a man who had expected her to agree with everything he said. You know, the way dates are supposed to go. (Not.)

(I remember reading a book for teenaged girls that advised us to learn everything we could about our intended boyfriend's interests so we could talk to him about them. No mention of cultivating our own interests or requiring a mate to give a hoot about them. "Learn everything you can about basketball. Look interested when he talks about it. Memorize statistics so you can impress him. Go to all of his games and cheer him on!")

483 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:36:14am

re: #446 HelloDare

James Cone pal of Wright and creator of BLT defines the theology: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
And that phrase is as clear an indication that all this is only nominally Christian.
You can sling the expression 'theology' around like mad - thats neither here nor there.
But to say one will reject God's love unless He does something shows that these people haven't understood the first thing about Christianity.

484 godfrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:36:19am

Cato

You know, though, the phrase rolled out of his mouth pretty easily. If he wanted to draw attention to McCain's attempt to pin the Muslim label on him, he would've said "my supposed Muslim faith," or made the little scare-quote gesture, or some other way of indicating that he dismisses the charge. Instead, the phrase just rolled right out, and what that suggests to me is that at one point in his life, he was totally accustomed to referring to it.

He's a "black liberation theology" type now, but his slip gives us some insight I think into a past habit.

485 The Shadow Do  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:36:57am

re: #452 doriangrey

Why...

Because, it is, uh, you know, the notion that, uh ...morally, uh sort of uh, the same?
/

486 guzziguy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:36:58am

re: #257 jake341

How appropriate. Interview the "messiah" in a horse barn. Perfect location for Barry "I almost joined the army" O. Horseshit. Nothing more than fresh horseshit.

Where else are you likely to find the country's largest horse's ass?

487 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:37:35am

re: #448 RememberSekhmet?

More than that, I expect if McCain starts puling ahead in the polls, it will start an avalanche in his direction, as people who may have been shy of expressing their preferences (out of fear of catching crap from the interviewer or the people standing around), may be less shy knowing their view is in the majority.

They still ahve got to go and vote - not just show their views - thats the problem.

488 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:39:02am

re: #478 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm sure you've seen videos of Cone. He looks like this cute little guy till he starts talking, then the subtle hate comes out -- but only if there's a good interviewer. Most interviews I've seen don't challenge him. The guy comes off like a sweetheart. Blacks will have equality in this country when people aren't afraid to call people like Cone out.

489 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:39:07am

re: #482 Josephine

My favorite pick-up story is still the guy who hit on me by asking me what book I was reading. When I told him it was The Anatomy of Fascism he walked away.

490 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:39:20am

re: #475 newsjunkie_ky

obama plays the victim card even more than the race card with or without any Republican assistance.

InMyHumbleSuspicion, the victim thing is probably even more deeply imbedded in O and M's psyches than race. Don't ask me to explain my reasoning. It's just a hunch.

491 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:39:41am

The McCain campaign really ought to make more of a deal about Obama being a Cook County/ Chicago machine hack.
His retiring from State Senate Leader mentor Emil Jones, spent his career double dipping as a sewer inspector. Obama was his gopher.
His campaign manager David Axlerod is a Daley lackey.
Barry never deviated from the machine. People understand corrupt Chicago.

492 cliffster  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:40:04am

re: #476 DeafDog

It's a $700B a year economic stimulous package, which is what we are sending overseas now. Let's see the Dems match that!

If we wait til oil gets expensive enough, all of a sudden shale oil comes into play, and there's more of that in one mountain in the rockies as there is oil in the rest of the world.

493 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:40:11am

Unless you're a sleezey politician, the things that identify us are pretty much written in stone. I can't ever remember mistakenly saying I'm Jewish. Always supported the state of Israel, support to Jewish organizations that help feed their poor; always ask the Lord to bless them, but I've never mistakenly gaffed about it.

Why did "my muslim faith" slip out so easily? I don't think that was just a slip of the tongue, though Freudian maybe. He's either absolutely nothing, while being all things to all men, or he's a closet muslim.

494 pingjockey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:40:23am

re: #489 Sharmuta
You scared the hell out of him! Probably a damn metro-sexual namby pamby!

495 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:40:31am

re: #479 Salem

There was just Hillary and Bush fatigue.

Excellent point.

496 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:40:51am

re: #478 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, that's precisely the Cone quote I was alluding to.

IMHO, Cone had no comprehension at all of the Judeo/Christian God, or of the Christian Gospels. Furthermore, Cone appears to consider himself to be above the very concept of "a God". Incredible hubris.

Cone is an ex-con hustler. seasoned liberally with racist hate

497 Biff  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:41:01am

re: #486 guzziguy
There is no evidence that it's a horse barn. It looks like a hay barn.

498 godfrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:41:17am

re: #489 Sharmuta

You're the bookstore equivalent of a moose killer, aren't you?

:-)

499 Syrah  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:41:21am

re: #489 Sharmuta

? What a wimp. Not even a followup question like Why? or "Is it for a class" or dome such? Just walked away?

What was he expecting? a book about knitting?

500 yesandno  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:41:56am

That wasn't as much a slip of the tounge as it was the fact he is really hungry right now and the days are longer then usual in Ramadan...he's dizzy and will return to cognition sometime later this evening.

501 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:42:03am

re: #497 Biff

There is no evidence that it's a horse barn. It looks like a hay barn.

It's a Cow House...

502 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:42:32am

re: #484 godfrey

Cato

You know, though, the phrase rolled out of his mouth pretty easily. If he wanted to draw attention to McCain's attempt to pin the Muslim label on him, he would've said "my supposed Muslim faith," or made the little scare-quote gesture, or some other way of indicating that he dismisses the charge. Instead, the phrase just rolled right out, and what that suggests to me is that at one point in his life, he was totally accustomed to referring to it.

He's a "black liberation theology" type now, but his slip gives us some insight I think into a past habit.

"My muslim faith" just rolled out much too easily by far. But then Obama has shown us over and over that once he is away from his teleprompter he has a pretty nasty case of hoof and mouth disease.

I guess this puts paid, though, to all of those accusations and "fighting of the smears" he has been doing about whether or not he is in fact muslim. There you have it folks - right straight from the horse's mouth!

503 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:43:02am

re: #498 godfrey

You're the bookstore equivalent of a moose killer, aren't you?

:-)

LOL!

504 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:43:23am

re: #484 godfrey

He's a "black liberation theology" type now, but his slip gives us some insight I think into a past habit.

THAT is a distinct possibility, perhaps even a high probability.

505 NelsFree  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:43:36am

Taqiyya and Kitman:

[Link: www.ci-ce-ct.com...]

Please note the part about the Sunni Moriscos.

506 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:45:01am

re: #489 Sharmuta

My favorite pick-up story is still the guy who hit on me by asking me what book I was reading. When I told him it was The Anatomy of Fascism he walked away.

LOL!

507 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:45:07am

re: #504 pre-Boomer Marine brat

THAT is a distinct possibility, perhaps even a high probability.


You know his step grandmother in Kenya claimed after a visit that Barry retains his Muslim Faith.
She flipped the next day.

508 Colin Nelson  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:45:29am

This 'slip' is hard to call. After my first viewing I upticked several comments suggesting it was just that, a momentary slip.

Since then I have viewed the clip many more times - for the body language, the quickness of the correction by Steph, the constant half smile (the I am smarter than you look), the length of time when his own internal alarms should have gone off. Disturbing at best.

However, this is no proof of his true religious faith in my book.

Give me something substantial please
Is he celebrating/observing Ramadan - or does he get a pass on that because of the campaign (just askin')

Has he ever in recent memory been seen in a mosque except as part of a campaign stunt.

Has the media turned up even one credible witness who could 'prove' he practices the muslim faith.

I dislike OHB as much as any staunch LGFer but let us not fall into the Democratic trap of derangement - by which I mean conjecture, smear and innuendo substituting for hard verifiable information

509 vagabond trader  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:45:29am

We're being waaay too kind with the Obama and his gaffe fest.It seems that there are at least a couple every week and he has the nerve to imply that John McCain is a doddering, forgetful old fool.McCain doesn't have to comment on the less egregious ones,let his minions do that. It'll drive this lightweight, anti American, thin skinned phony back where he belongs. Chirping present in the senate.

510 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:45:49am

re: #6 goddessoftheclassroom

What is the date of this interview?

This very morning it aired on TV.

511 DeafDog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:45:58am

re: #492 cliffster

If we wait til oil gets expensive enough, all of a sudden shale oil comes into play, and there's more of that in one mountain in the rockies as there is oil in the rest of the world.

Economically speaking, Shale Oil is in play at $50 per barrel. The Environmental groups are totally blocking those trillions of availability...it's a crying shame.

512 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:46:35am

re: #480 Sharmuta

Sorry- I think we'll end up drilling our own oil. Much cheaper to remove it and transport it in the lower 48 than getting it from Alaska.


We'll end up drilling our own oil.
No disagreement except on which deposit to start with. Your argument about cost and ease of access is not refutable.
Politics.

Was up in TR National Park about 12 years ago. That was before litigation was as popular as it is today, and "they" were having big problems getting new exploratory permits issued. Guess what: the areas they wanted to explore further 12 years ago were "too close, can't chance the environmental damage this could cause ..."

That was coming from the park people. Don't know how the locals felt about it. Gas was cheaper then, and Slick Willie hadn't blocked a lot of methods to transport natural gas, either.

513 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:46:39am

the barack obama "not exactly" list

[Link: digg.com...]

514 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:47:30am

re: #508 Colin Nelson

There is an undergroud tunnel from his Hyde Park mansion to the Mosque across the Street.
OK , I made that up.

515 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:47:40am

re: #507 opnion

You know his step grandmother in Kenya claimed after a visit that Barry retains his Muslim Faith.
She flipped the next day.

I've read that. His own mouth proclaims that he retains his muslim identity. Just like all the umpteen billions of muslims in the world think he does. Note there is no fatwah on his head for being an apostate. And there never has been.

516 Salem  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:48:39am

re: #495 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Excellent point.

Actually, though I'm plenty sick of the Bush dynasty, the relentless media/lefty attacks compel me to feel sympathy and respect for the man. I almost felt sympathy for Hillary once or twice, too, but I struck myself about the face with a dead fish a couple times and I was alright again.

517 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:50:19am

#514 opnion

There is an undergroud tunnel from his Hyde Park mansion to the Mosque across the Street.
OK , I made that up.

Thanks for my first big laugh of the day. Love it.

518 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:50:47am

re: #294 zombie

I beg to differ. For decades now they have used loudspeakers. Crackling, at highest possible volume there is and it isn't pretty.

I spent 6 weeks in Indonesia some years ago and I can assure you, the loudspeaker blaring at 4 AM or whatever time it is before dawn --is NOT one of the prettiest sounds.

Obama sounds more like he is romanticizing it back to the days when they actually had a "person" doing it. That doesn't occur in many places and especially not in Jakarta where it has to compete with the noise of millions crowded into a small area, cars and "modern" life.

He also mentions he was just a "street kid" in Jakarta. I seriously doubt that. His stepfather had a fairly good position. No way was he a "street kid." They undoubtedly had servants and lived in a fairly decent neighborhood. The fact that he was pulled out of the public school where Islam WOULD be taught and enrolled in a Catholic school (for better education) would have meant they were able to afford the tuition.

519 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:50:56am

re: #512 jwb7605

The technology has improved in the last 12 years- we can get it out while leaving the environment intact. Just like Anwar. Also- the latest surveys show the deposit is much larger than originally thought. Much larger.

520 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:51:08am

re: #515 galloping granny

I've read that. His own mouth proclaims that he retains his muslim identity. Just like all the umpteen billions of muslims in the world think he does. Note there is no fatwah on his head for being an apostate. And there never has been.

Good afternoon Granny. He & Michell were fond of attending Palistinian fund raising dinners in Chicago. He got very close to a guy (can't remember his name), who got caught up in the Holyland Foudation scandal.
There is a lot about this guy that does not ring true.

521 Optimizer  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:51:38am

re: #318 looking closely

Its quite clear (and true of his own admission) that Obama has considerable exposure to Islam, including some indoctrination as a child. Much of his family *IS* Muslim, after all.

But that said, I don't think anyone *seriously* believes he is a secretly practicing Muslim.

To the extent that his "Muslimness" (to coin a word) matters at all, its only to the extent that he has absorbed Islamic philosophy or ideology as a kid.

In other words, you don't have to be a practicing Catholic to have had your worldview shaped by several years in Catholic school, etc.

I think some people really do seriouly think he's a Muslim. This slip makes me start to wonder, myself.

Mostly I expect BHO is concerned that his lie about having always been a Christian will be exposed, and that this is why his "Muslim faith" is on his mind.

I thought it was funny when I saw a bio of him on FOX News. They brought up the issue, and to prove whether or not he was ever a Muslim they literally quoted from his web site! (WTF!)

The best argument for his having been a Muslim early on in life is this:

If he was Christian as a child, where and when was he baptized? Why is there not one church saying his baptism is on record there?

The way the guy enjoys and recites the Muslim call for prayer just makes it obvious.

522 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:51:48am

re: #517 ladycatnip

#514 opnion


Thanks for my first big laugh of the day. Love it.

Your welcome.

523 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:52:10am

I think the flag flap (pun intended) and this muslim thing are not issues that will help McCain. He has Obama on ALL the important issues. It's hard to tell that with the MSM fawning and propping Obama up, but the American people know that taxing the crap out of business and rich people will not help the economy. And, as much as many want universal healthcare, most Americans know handing over our healthcare system to Washington will be a disaster. And, most Americans (I hope) know that what little they have heard from Obama about his foreign policy, he comes across like a rookie...something McCain will never be accused of. He can win this if he keeps his focus on his strengths and resists the temptation to get some sucker punches in with these non-issue distractions.

524 wintercat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:52:34am

I think this is just more of Obama's mouth running on ahead of his brain. This issue is a big nothing in my book. I am taking him at his word that he is Christian and not a Muslim. But I do think his predisposition to go to the hard left makes him very sympathetic to CAIR and other pro Muslim groups, which again concerns me greatly.

However, having said that, don't imagine for a second that I am at all, in any way, comfortable with him becoming POTUS. I am not. I think his associations with left leaning -- no not just left leaning -- bent over entirely to the left -- factions are of real concern.

Making an issue of this slip makes it look like he is being picked on and beating this drum could serve to weaken the really good arguments against him. The people one might be trying to reach with this story could get turned off from listening to real facts about Obama because they would perceive that it is just more smearing. I'd rather have his history with ACORN and Ayres and Wright, etc. explored in depth than spend any time on this gaffe.

525 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:53:02am

re: #232 HoosierHoops

They are here in indiana ( I am so proud)
county fair.. you know we are just hicks here right? O is just one of the good ole boys..been better if was chewing on straw..straw hat would have been a nice touch


Oh Man! That put a picture in my head. O in a straw hat!

526 kynna  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:53:12am

Stephie is such a joke. I watched while he sat there and let Hillary! rant about how the Clinton policies had caught the Millenium Bomber, the same week that Janet Reno testified to the 911 commission that it was only a coincidence and good, thorough police work by the border patrol officer.

As a news talk host he's a total failure. As a dem donor he's succeeded quite well, and well within the bounds of CFR. Isn't that special?

527 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:53:21am

re: #507 opnion

You know his step grandmother in Kenya claimed after a visit that Barry retains his Muslim Faith.
She flipped the next day.

Probably flipped over having to.
heh

528 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:54:26am

get digging folks...
[Link: digg.com...]

529 opnion  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:55:04am

re: #527 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Probably flipped over having to.
heh

Yup, it was very odd that grandma had a sudden seizure of accurate memory over night.

530 Intrepid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:57:15am

re: #219 zombie

THWAPPP!

Taste the whip, Kossacks!

Latest Poll: Gallup Daily results: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45%

Please, I beg of you, come up with some more fraudulent smears against Palin! Help us stretch that lead to double-digits!

I think this is the last of the post-speech Palin bounce and we'll see the McCain bounce tomorrow or Tuesday. Since Tuesday of last week was when we saw the post-speech Obama bounce.

This does not bode well for Obama - the momentum and energy is clearly swaying in McCain/Palin's direction. And once Sarah is on her own in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan (the three top hunting states, of the lower 48, btw) I think we can expect these states to start moving more in McCain's direction.

531 godfrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:57:16am

I posted this link last night, but here's Reagan delivering a completely fantastic in every way speech at the 1980 Republican Convention, as the country is staggering around nearly bled to death by Carter. Reagan absolutely hammers Carter's pose as a salvific figure for the country -- and that is a cautionary tale for today. Yes, it's 46 min., but get about ten minutes into it, and see if you aren't amazed at the quality of that speech. Wonderful stuff.

532 Optimizer  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:58:28am

re: #492 cliffster

If we wait til oil gets expensive enough, all of a sudden shale oil comes into play, and there's more of that in one mountain in the rockies as there is oil in the rest of the world.

The key thing is that we have to allow oil companies access to it. THEY are in the best position to determine whether it is economical, THEY are the ones putting their money where their mouth is, and THEY are the ones who might be able to develop cheaper methods of recovery if we let them experiment with different ideas.

It's called "capitalism", which is another word for "economic freedom".

533 sadhu  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:58:43am

re: #524 wintercat

Obama's mouth running on ahead of his brain. This issue is a big nothing in my book.

His brain and mouth ARE the issue in mine. He is confused and spews idiocy.

534 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 11:58:45am

#515 galloping granny

#507 opnion

You know his step grandmother in Kenya claimed after a visit that Barry retains his Muslim Faith.
She flipped the next day.

I've read that. His own mouth proclaims that he retains his muslim identity. Just like all the umpteen billions of muslims in the world think he does. Note there is no fatwah on his head for being an apostate. And there never has been.

Is there a possibility that Jeremiah Wright and Barry are still muslims, but are intentionally covering it up with the politically correct veneer of BLT? When you know the real thing, counterfeits are easy to spot; seeing and listening to Wright in the pulpit has never, ever, even come close to anything remotely Christian. And no believing Christian I know would've stayed 10 minutes in that church, much less 20 years, listening to Wright's toxic spewing.

535 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:00:51pm

re: #516 Salem

Actually, though I'm plenty sick of the Bush dynasty, the relentless media/lefty attacks compel me to feel sympathy and respect for the man. I almost felt sympathy for Hillary once or twice, too, but I struck myself about the face with a dead fish a couple times and I was alright again.

dead fish ... LOL!

Though I'm hardly a knee-jerk Bush supporter, I rate his overall performance on the plus side. IMHO, he was (in a certain sense) "lucky" to have 9/11 on his watch. His response to it will get him good marks as a President in the history books come a century from now. Note my emphasis above to understand how I meant "lucky".

536 Salem  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:00:52pm

Bill and Hillary have always reminded me of a couple of Disney villains. We're intended to regard the villains in the old Disney movies as EVIL, not just misunderstood,. They weren't evil in a Judeo-Christian sense but they were wholly without good intent and had to be stopped. The only out was that they were also quite silly in their own way. Aw, that poor disney villain, will he/she ever learn? Lately, Bill has had the look of one of those Disney villains who have gotten their comeuppance. And I can only imagine Hillary's expression during Palin's convention speech.

537 songbird  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:02:35pm

When you are committed to neither faith, it is easy to slip into the religion of convenience.

538 songbird  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:04:20pm

I don't oppose Obama because of his religion or lack therof - it's his ideas and goals for the United States of America I oppose!

539 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:05:56pm

536 Salem

Bill and Hillary have always reminded me of a couple of Disney villains. We're intended to regard the villains in the old Disney movies as EVIL, not just misunderstood...

Cruella De'Ville from 101 Dalmatians!

540 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:07:43pm

re: #520 opnion

Good afternoon Granny. He & Michell were fond of attending Palistinian fund raising dinners in Chicago. He got very close to a guy (can't remember his name), who got caught up in the Holyland Foudation scandal.
There is a lot about this guy that does not ring true.

That is probably the biggest understatement of the entire year. Virtually all of his acquaintances are shady. Not one single normal, ordinary person has come forward to provide some character reference for him. When you look around him at things like the Ayers/Dohrne connection, you end up right back there when you learn how he and Michelle met - at the law firm where Dohrne worked.

Obama is the single most undocumented person I think I have ever run across. It is pretty easy in this day and age - and has been for a while - to type someone's name into the right search engine and come up with all kinds of stuff - their addresses for the last umpteen years, old emails, things they wrote 15 years ago, their genealogy. And I mean even for pretty ordinary people like you and I. Barrak is a cipher.

What he really reminds me of are those old movies about Russian spies or people in the Witness Protection Program, whose history seems to start out of the clear blue. Like he showed up in Chicago and nothing before that really exists.

541 Salem  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:08:02pm

re: #535 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah, Bush isn't a bad guy. I often wonder what we don't know about him but he seems well-meaning. And he's the most embattled President ever, probably. Even Nixon wouldn't envy him his relationship with the press.

542 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:08:16pm

re: #537 songbird

When you are committed to neither faith, it is easy to slip into the religion of convenience.

But when you are caught unawares, your slip of the tongue reflects the truth.

543 Biff  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:08:30pm

re: #508 Colin Nelson

Has the media turned up even one credible witness who could 'prove' he practices the muslim faith.

Why is Obama only evaluated in the present tense? There is plenty of evidence that he practiced the muslim faith. This guy (Obama) and his followers seem to think that all history exists only in the present.

"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past."
George Orwell (1984)

544 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:11:03pm

re: #514 opnion

There is an undergroud tunnel from his Hyde Park mansion to the Mosque across the Street.
OK , I made that up.

Given some of the tunnels in Chicago (based on a History Channel show), it actually is possible.

545 SouthAmericanWay  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:12:08pm

This may well be a "slip of the tongue", but not a mere one. It seems also a "slip of the mind", a slip of his thoughts, the disintegration of his carefully engineered false facade.

This is what happens when the "Greek temple" is removed from his mind: with the Greek temple, everything that is truly Western goes away, and one is left with what he truly is: the Muslim child within, being raised by his absent mother and by his Muslim stepfather in Indonesia.

546 indythinker  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:12:29pm

Does this make Illinois a toss-up state? Hawaii? Delaware? DC? California?

No, not Vermont!

547 Age Of Freedom  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:12:49pm

He is so hesitant with his speech, even in front of a backing interviewer.
P.C.phobia?

548 Biff  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:13:03pm

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
George Orwell

549 Salem  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:13:11pm

re: #539 ladycatnip

536 Salem

Cruella De'Ville from 101 Dalmatians!

Yeah, she got kilt, though. The villains in the live-action Disney films would get brutally humiliated and/or imprisoned, but they usually escaped with their lives. But any number of animated Disney villainesses seem like they could have been fashioned from Hillary.

550 boofar  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:13:38pm

He's like a gift that keeps on giving. The man just can't stop the gaffes! What next?

551 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:14:29pm

re: #534 ladycatnip

#515 galloping granny

Is there a possibility that Jeremiah Wright and Barry are still muslims, but are intentionally covering it up with the politically correct veneer of BLT? When you know the real thing, counterfeits are easy to spot; seeing and listening to Wright in the pulpit has never, ever, even come close to anything remotely Christian. And no believing Christian I know would've stayed 10 minutes in that church, much less 20 years, listening to Wright's toxic spewing.

As far as Barry still being a muslim, that little scene says it all. No matter what he tries to present to the world when he is carefully editing his words and persona, what slips out when his guard is down is the truth.

Jeremiah Wright? Well, he majored in islamic studies in college. And I have heard that he was once quite involved with the Black Muslims. Whatever he is, I agree with you that it surely is not Christian of any denomination that I have ever heard of. Whichever Jesus it is that Wright calls on, he preaches a very different message than the Jesus of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John. That true Jesus said that anyone teaching a message different than his own was not from him.

552 Rockman  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:17:03pm

I wonder if he used make-up to hide his "zabibbah"?
[Link: akajanedoe.us...]

553 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:17:19pm

re: #538 songbird

Same here.

554 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:18:23pm

re: #482 Josephine

It sounds like fun!

I was chuckling at the image of a strong, intelligent woman driving home her point about Obama and the thought of how that might not impress a man who had expected her to agree with everything he said. You know, the way dates are supposed to go. (Not.)

(I remember reading a book for teenaged girls that advised us to learn everything we could about our intended boyfriend's interests so we could talk to him about them. No mention of cultivating our own interests or requiring a mate to give a hoot about them. "Learn everything you can about basketball. Look interested when he talks about it. Memorize statistics so you can impress him. Go to all of his games and cheer him on!")

You know, when you stop being a teenager, you realize that he needs to like you for what you do, as much as you like him for what he does, or it's not a relationship worth having. A pretty face and hormones only get you so far.

555 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:20:30pm

re: #550 boofar

He's like a gift that keeps on giving. The man just can't stop the gaffes! What next?

This was not a gaffe.

The basic problem that Obama faces is that he is an habitual, pathological liar of the first order, one who lies even to himself. He tells people what he thinks that they want to hear, what he thinks will portray him in the best light. The problem, of course, arises when he goes from one group of people to the next. Then he does things like tell the Jewish folks that dividing Jerusalem is unthinkable and within hours tell a group more concerned about the palestinians that all options are on the table.

When every word out of your mouth for years is an outright lie or a distinct coloring of the truth to fit some image, it becomes impossible to even recall what you said, much less who you said it to.

This statement about "my muslim religion" is one of the very few honest & truthful statements that Barrak Hussein Obama has made.

556 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:22:59pm

Mis-telling a lie and revealing the truth is now a gaffe?

If I made such a gaffe, I think the interview would be off because I would begin a very non-PC correction explaining my views of Islam, an explanation that would end up having my headless body found in a field sometime later.

557 Biff  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:25:30pm

I've been tracking Google hits on this search -
obama "my muslim faith" stephanopoulos .

Starting at 12:10 edt there were 26 links
Now at 3:18 there are 172.

I've been graphing it every ten minutes and it is going slightly logrithmic, but not really viral yet.

What is most disconcerting is running the same search on Google News. There are only four links shown on Google News at this time, with only one being a print outlet, The Washington Times. What is going on in this country? If the media is silent, does that mean it is not news?

558 boofar  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:26:39pm

re: #555 galloping granny

He's no more of a liar than just about every other politician :) .

I've said this numerous times on another forum. We are living in an age of YouTube. Where every word someone says is recorded, replayed and reminded. It happened to Bush and it's happening to Obama. People just refuse to realize this.

559 billy hank  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:26:52pm

In Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) [Link: destinybuilding.com...] eyes down and to the right is a kinesthetic cue, meaning that deep feelings or emotions are being accessed.

One might say that Islam is the deepest feeling that Obama has when he thinks of religion, so that was first out of his mouth. One could also say that The One meant to state that McCain has not raised the "muslim" issue. True statement AFAIK. George S. then muddies the water by suggesting that McCain has not questioned him about his "Christian" faith. I'm wondering if George was thinking about the Rev. Wright. I wish a lot more questions would be asked about the Rev. Wright (and Ayers and Rezko and the Saudi prince, etc., etc.)

On a charitable level, this could be like the receiver and the d'back just getting their feet tangled, thus no foul. OTOH, one of the distinguishing characteristics of liars is that it so hard for them to keep their stories straight. It's the difference between what you say in Scranton and San Francisco that shows your true thoughts. Whatever it was, it's clear that The One just stumbles and flails for balance without his teleprompter.

560 wintercat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:26:59pm

re: #534 ladycatnip

I posted earlier that I believed that Obama is a Christian. However, I think it is clear, given his 20 years in the church of Reverend Wright, that Obama's definition of Christianity might differ somewhat from mainstream Christian beliefs on certain key points.

561 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:27:00pm

#551 galloping granny

That true Jesus said that anyone teaching a message different than his own was not from him.

That sums it up perfectly.

562 boofar  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:28:26pm

re: #557 Biff

Traditional media will die a slow and lonely death. They've lied and cheated the people of this country so often that no one trusts them. Even if they did start telling things that were grounded in facts, I would still be stunned if newspapers and TV news rebounded as something that people believed.

563 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:28:28pm
564 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:31:02pm

re: #557 Biff

What is most disconcerting is running the same search on Google News. There are only four links shown on Google News at this time, with only one being a print outlet, The Washington Times. What is going on in this country? If the media is silent, does that mean it is not news?

Off of your question ... don't trust Google News. The crew which runs it makes politicized choices regarding what, and who, to include.

565 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:31:49pm

re: #557 Biff

I've been tracking Google hits on this search -
obama "my muslim faith" stephanopoulos .

Starting at 12:10 edt there were 26 links
Now at 3:18 there are 172.

I've been graphing it every ten minutes and it is going slightly logrithmic, but not really viral yet.

What is most disconcerting is running the same search on Google News. There are only four links shown on Google News at this time, with only one being a print outlet, The Washington Times. What is going on in this country? If the media is silent, does that mean it is not news?

I have noticed for quite some while that the MSM really doesn't write about the news anymore until they come over here and read it. Generally stories like this will appear 48 hours or more after we first notice it here. Sometimes, when the media really wants to bury something, we will have been writing about it and gathering evidence for weeks or even months. The MSM will not publish this until they absolutely have to - just like with the fauxtography scandal.

566 boofar  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:33:12pm

re: #564 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Indeed. Google is a disgrace in this respect.

If anyone would like to hit them where it hurts (i.e. their wallet), may I recommend trying an MS service called [Link: www.live.com...]

Some might say that we're switching one evil for another. The difference between Google and MS is that MS doesn't collect and catalog every action that you make online that is not in the microsoft.com domain.

567 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:33:25pm

re: #560 wintercat

I posted earlier that I believed that Obama is a Christian. However, I think it is clear, given his 20 years in the church of Reverend Wright, that Obama's definition of Christianity might differ somewhat from mainstream Christian beliefs on certain key points.

In which case, he is not a Christian.

568 Blazer in RIC  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:35:37pm

Luckily, the Iran-churian candidates coach jumped in there and saved him, or tried to anyway.

569 Dan G.  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:35:55pm

You all should watch the entire clip (just posted as a spinoff by SB) for the context of his statemet...

570 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:36:01pm

re: #558 boofar

He's no more of a liar than just about every other politician :) .

I've said this numerous times on another forum. We are living in an age of YouTube. Where every word someone says is recorded, replayed and reminded. It happened to Bush and it's happening to Obama. People just refuse to realize this.

Actually, I think he is more of a liar than most politicians. Most politicians lie to benefit themselves. Obama lies about himself.

571 Colin Nelson  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:36:02pm

#543 Biff. Thanks for your comment. Yes the past is important - crucially so - but what was the past proof that he was a practicing Muslim ?

I suppose his attendance at a Muslin school in Indonesia as a very young boy- not likely a decision he made - is part of it; that he can recite Muslim prayers flawlessly; that his (ex)pastor is an ex-Muslim; that his father was a non-practicing Muslim; that in his book (da, da,...Hope) he states he would side with the Muslims if push came to shove; that, ...oh well that's enough.

Biff you may be right.

My own preference is closer to what we have seen as his practice for the past 20 years - that is as a devout follower of the hateful words of Rev Wright and the followers of the Cone Black Liberation Theology.

Everything he as done since joining that church as well as the (disgraced) company he keeps tells me he is closer to being a BLT devotee than anything else.

But, I could be wrong...

572 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:36:20pm

557 Biff

I've been graphing it every ten minutes and it is going slightly logrithmic, but not really viral yet...What is going on in this country? If the media is silent, does that mean it is not news?

Yup, that's what they'd like us to believe. Except - the Internet is slowly taking over the left's choke-hold on the information biz. The msm is pulling a Charlton Heston, "you'll have to pry this info out of my cold dead hands." Since rigor mortis has already begun to set in, their fingers will just snap right off.

RIP to the msm.

573 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:40:58pm

Something just occurred to me this morning if the O gets into the WH. His domestic terrorist buddies Ayers and Dorn, will probably be appointed to a Cabinet post or something.

Friends, associations and alliances are important.

574 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:40:58pm
#561 ladycatnip

#551 galloping granny

That true Jesus said that anyone teaching a message different than his own was not from him.

That sums it up perfectly.

John said [...], "Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us." But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is for us." Mark 9:38-40

575 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:42:17pm

Entered law school 1998: after 3 years of being a Community Organizer in Chicago: 1985-1988.

Graduated from Harvard Law School --1993
1993: Went to work for: Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland
Miner, Barnhill, & Galland was founded in 1971. The firm has acquired a national reputation in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development work. In addition to its practice in these areas, the firm represents a broad range of individual and corporate clients, providing a wide variety of legal services. [Link: www.lawmbg.com...]

These are the 15 buildings that Rezmar Corp. redeveloped in projects that involved the Chicago law firm Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during the period that U.S. Sen. Barack Obama worked for the firm:
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

NOTE: it was only a 12 person firm when Obama was there (14 now). There is no way he could have NOT been involved in the neighborhood economic development since that was likely a factor in his hiring --"community organizer" before law school.

It should also be noted that I believe it was 1985 that Clinton promoted and signed the Community Development Reorganization Act --or something with that similar name. I am doing this from memory.

Quickly as the winds are picking up and I may not have power soon! No I am not in the path of the storms in the south.

576 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:43:48pm

re: #569 Dan G.

You all should watch the entire clip (just posted as a spinoff by SB) for the context of his statemet...

I don't see any context there that changes my estimation of Obama's faith. The questions about his religion first arose a year or more ago, long before he was the Dem nominee for POTUS, long before McCain was the Republican nominee.

As far as I can determine - and this is something I have followed fairly closely - the questions about whether or not Obama is a muslim have arisen directly from the segment of non-muslims that are fairly well versed in islam 101, mostly as a result of Obama's own attempts to portray himself as never having been muslim.

577 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:45:59pm

#574 David IV of Georgia

But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is for us." Mark 9:38-40

That would be the operative phrase here. So, what "mighty works" has Obama done in Jesus' name? We're also told to watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing; by his own words, his associations and friendships, it wouldn't be a stretch to see him wearing a sheepskin coat.

578 hazzyday  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:49:43pm

How many people here in this blog have every slipped and said "my muslim faith" or "my other faith". Memory to mouth does has a memory and similar things can get reversed. He does have Islam in him.

How muslim is Obama? We have a minister here in town who practices both Islam and Christianity. She alters the percentage muslim she is based on how she feels about the cruel world and her role as a victim.

Obama is probably 10-20 percent muslim, 80-90 percent Christian with the Muslim beginnings in him acting only passively.

He could easily arrive at a day of great pressure where with great searching and discussion in his heart he returns to the religion of the fond memories of his youth. That in and of itself is not that bad. That he was gullible enough to swallow Black Theology hook, line, and sinker is bad. The latter is more influential in his life.

579 Amy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:50:17pm

I didn't have time to wade through 500+ comments, so apologies if this has already been said.

This video has been edited and does not put what Obama actually said in context.

Hot Air has the unedited video:
Your text to link...

Watch the whole thing. Obama was referring to claims being made about his Muslim faith, not saying that he is a Muslim.

These kinds of distortions can only hurt the Republicans by giving the mouth-breathing Kos Kids ammunition. Charles should add an update ASAP.

580 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:50:36pm

re: #574 David IV of Georgia

John said [...], "Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us." But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is for us." Mark 9:38-40

Yes, Jesus did say that. He also specifically said that if anyone came to a believer preaching a message different than the one he had heard, that the messenger was not from him.

581 myself  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:54:09pm

this thrad can only hurt the republicans. it is clear what was meant; please stop trying to find imperfections when clear imperfections are present, without a "gotcha." am sorry, this is stupid.

582 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:54:36pm

I don't believe he is Muslim no matter what he was exposed to as a child.
There is no way a true Muslim would even go INTO a Christian Church much less attend one and pretend to be a Christian for 20 years.

The only other explanation is the one someone mentioned above that the church is really a "Black Muslim" church using Christianity as a front.

The "Black Muslims" are NOT recognized by Islam as true Muslims. They are NOT accepted by Islam as "real Muslims."

583 pegcity  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:54:50pm

re: #579 Amy

your right, but screw em.

If they want to play dirty with Sarah Palin lies, then they deserve this and more

584 MAV  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:55:02pm

Oh, I almost forgot, after I didn't join the military I was the mayor of this small town in Japan, before I became a Kommunity organizer...
Your text to link...

Hai dozo!

SPITS

585 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:56:55pm

#560 wintercat

re: #534 ladycatnip

I posted earlier that I believed that Obama is a Christian. However, I think it is clear, given his 20 years in the church of Reverend Wright, that Obama's definition of Christianity might differ somewhat from mainstream Christian beliefs on certain key points.

If someone tells me they're a Christian, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. When you're a public figure, however, everything you do and say will be open for scrutiny. Who your friends and associations are, and what your pastor says are fair game as to how you define yourself. I'm sure there are devout men and women who love the Lord who attend his church, but the kind of message Wright taught for 20 years is certainly nothing I've ever read in the Bible.

586 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:57:17pm

re: #578 hazzyday

How many people here in this blog have every slipped and said "my muslim faith" or "my other faith". Memory to mouth does has a memory and similar things can get reversed. He does have Islam in him.

Once upon a time long ago and far away someone once accused me of doing drugs, something that I have never done in my entire lifetime. That accusation followed me around and caused me huge problems and even more distress. Nonetheless, I have never once EVER referred to "my drug use"


How muslim is Obama? We have a minister here in town who practices both Islam and Christianity. She alters the percentage muslim she is based on how she feels about the cruel world and her role as a victim.

Christianity is not a part time faith. You either are or you are not. A believer - even one claiming to be a minister - cannot be both a believing Christian and a muslim. Your "minister" may be something else, but she is not a Christian minister.


Obama is probably 10-20 percent muslim, 80-90 percent Christian with the Muslim beginnings in him acting only passively.

He could easily arrive at a day of great pressure where with great searching and discussion in his heart he returns to the religion of the fond memories of his youth. That in and of itself is not that bad. That he was gullible enough to swallow Black Theology hook, line, and sinker is bad. The latter is more influential in his life.

Sorry, being Christian or Muslim cannot be divided up like being Italian or Chinese. Religion is an article of faith rather than genetic.

As the Jesuits have long said "Give me a child till the age of 7 and I will give you the man."

587 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 12:59:53pm

re: #582 Nancy

I don't believe he is Muslim no matter what he was exposed to as a child.
There is no way a true Muslim would even go INTO a Christian Church much less attend one and pretend to be a Christian for 20 years.

The only other explanation is the one someone mentioned above that the church is really a "Black Muslim" church using Christianity as a front.

The "Black Muslims" are NOT recognized by Islam as true Muslims. They are NOT accepted by Islam as "real Muslims."

This is not true at all. You might recall that many good practicing muslims in "palestine" regularly went to Christmas Eve midnight mass in Bethlehem - including Yasser Arafat, who sat in the front pew.

Muslims are specifically allowed to claim to be Christian or Jewish in the furtherance of the aims of jihad.

Maybe you had best take a look at what muslims really believe. Robert Spencer is a good place to start.

588 Miss Molly  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:00:02pm

This comment about being Muslim was made with such ease that it is just a natural part of him that came out without him even realizing it. Had someone else not corrected him I doubt he would have corrected himself because he was talking about who he is to himself.

589 Nancy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:00:24pm

re: #578 hazzyday

That minister cannot be a Christian and a Muslim. In Islam, you cannot be anything BUT Muslim.

Whether she wants to "practice" Islam then it is merely aspects of ritual not belief of faith in it as a religion.

Just because I used to practice Yoga didn't make me a Hindu. Nor would I have ever said that I was practicing Hindu.

590 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:01:19pm

re: #581 myself

this thrad can only hurt the republicans. it is clear what was meant; please stop trying to find imperfections when clear imperfections are present, without a "gotcha." am sorry, this is stupid.

I see no one trying to find imperfections. We are all full of imperfections. Obama, however, is full of outright, repeated lies.

591 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:02:23pm

re: #588 Miss Molly

This comment about being Muslim was made with such ease that it is just a natural part of him that came out without him even realizing it. Had someone else not corrected him I doubt he would have corrected himself because he was talking about who he is to himself.

Exactly. That was one of the very few true glimpses of the real Barrak Hussein Obama that he has given us.

592 winston06  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:03:26pm

Taqqiya or Freudian slip?

593 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:04:06pm

re: #592 winston06

Taqqiya or Freudian slip?

"My muslim religion" is truth. The "Christian belief" is the taqqiya.

594 bcgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:04:27pm

well slip or not, he just keeps stepping in "it" and this election is his to lose, and he is going a wonderful job if that, i am glad this happened today of all days because, weh i was deliveringmy 469 news papers tonight there was this very annnoynig insert piece that made the papers very hard to manage and fold and alll, i finally looked to see what was causing me such a pain and it turne out to be a

A FREE ONE HOUR DVD VERSION OF OBSESSION and it was a delivered to a BUNCH BUNCH BUNCH of gannet owned papers around the country,, i was so pleased to see that the liberal rag in my town was on the list, and i am sure have no idea what it was, just advertising dollars,,

i can't wait to hear the letters to the editor,, and i keept out a few extra to give to some friends,, ppoint here is now the mooonbats can see snobama on tv and then watch the dvd and imagin when they see the part that tells muslims it is ok to lie to the infidels to gain their trust so they can be killed or conqured! thanks so much snobama,, keep up the great work at defeating yourself for us

595 Red Speck  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:04:47pm

This joker FINALLY said something I liked!

596 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:09:51pm

re: #594 bcgirl

well slip or not, he just keeps stepping in "it" and this election is his to lose, and he is going a wonderful job if that, i am glad this happened today of all days because, weh i was deliveringmy 469 news papers tonight there was this very annnoynig insert piece that made the papers very hard to manage and fold and alll, i finally looked to see what was causing me such a pain and it turne out to be a

A FREE ONE HOUR DVD VERSION OF OBSESSION and it was a delivered to a BUNCH BUNCH BUNCH of gannet owned papers around the country,, i was so pleased to see that the liberal rag in my town was on the list, and i am sure have no idea what it was, just advertising dollars,,

i can't wait to hear the letters to the editor,, and i keept out a few extra to give to some friends,, ppoint here is now the mooonbats can see snobama on tv and then watch the dvd and imagin when they see the part that tells muslims it is ok to lie to the infidels to gain their trust so they can be killed or conqured! thanks so much snobama,, keep up the great work at defeating yourself for us

Got spares?

597 bcgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:13:13pm

have two right now, and will pick up all that i can during tonights deiveries,, any sunday papers sitting on the drrive wat tonight will be picked up and of course i will raid the unused dumpster for more,, will let you know tomorrow how many i get and will be more thatn happy to share by snail mail or maybe fed ex!


re: #596 galloping granny

Got spares?

598 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:14:40pm

re: #597 bcgirl

have two right now, and will pick up all that i can during tonights deiveries,, any sunday papers sitting on the drrive wat tonight will be picked up and of course i will raid the unused dumpster for more,, will let you know tomorrow how many i get and will be more thatn happy to share by snail mail or maybe fed ex!

That would be lovely!

599 Lynn B.  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:14:51pm

Making a big deal out of this exchange is not going to help McCain nor is it going to hurt Obama and the comments on this thread demonstrate that pretty well. Only people who already think Obama is a stealth Muslim will interpret it as anything other than a sloppy figure of speech if they listen to it in context. But the attack will be picked up by his supporters and used to make him look like a victim. It's a no-win issue and better dropped.

At the beginning of the same segment, he did something I find much more eggregious. He tried to explain away his (admittedly) flip response at Saddleback by misrepresenting the question as ("when does the soul enter into ...") (he never finished the thought) and then saying that he doesn't "presume to answer these kinds of theological questions."

Total BS. The question was: "at what point does a baby get human rights, in your view." That wasn't a theological question. It was a political question. And for THAT bit of shameless taquiya, Obama should get slammed ... in MY view.

600 Blazer in RIC  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:17:15pm

re: #592 winston06

Nope, Jihadian slip.

601 Charles  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:17:35pm

Who's making a big deal of it? Not me - I just thought it was a funny slip of the tongue, not a Freudian slip or some shocking revelation.

Obama's getting rattled, and he's making dumb mistakes like this.

602 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:18:53pm

re: #599 Lynn B.

Making a big deal out of this exchange is not going to help McCain nor is it going to hurt Obama and the comments on this thread demonstrate that pretty well. Only people who already think Obama is a stealth Muslim will interpret it as anything other than a sloppy figure of speech if they listen to it in context. But the attack will be picked up by his supporters and used to make him look like a victim. It's a no-win issue and better dropped.

At the beginning of the same segment, he did something I find much more eggregious. He tried to explain away his (admittedly) flip response at Saddleback by misrepresenting the question as ("when does the soul enter into ...") (he never finished the thought) and then saying that he doesn't "presume to answer these kinds of theological questions."

Total BS. The question was: "at what point does a baby get human rights, in your view." That wasn't a theological question. It was a political question. And for THAT bit of shameless taquiya, Obama should get slammed ... in MY view.

I saw the comment in context long before a thread of it appeared.

603 bcgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:19:40pm

great will catch up with you tomorrow to work out details,, hope i can grab a few more,, but i realy hope people watch IT,, what perfect timing!

i was never so proud, in my adult life, of my newspaper, as i am today! eeehehehehehehe ;-)


re: #598 galloping granny

That would be lovely!

604 EricOF  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:19:46pm

He was against his Muslim faith before he was for it.

605 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:21:20pm

re: #604 EricOF

He was against his Muslim faith before he was for it.

I don't know about you, but my very biggest problem with Obama's muslim past is that he lies about it.

606 bcgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:22:35pm

right you are oh lizard king! he is in hyper self destruct if you ask me

re: #601 Charles

Who's making a big deal of it? Not me - I just thought it was a funny slip of the tongue, not a Freudian slip or some shocking revelation.

Obama's getting rattled, and he's making dumb mistakes like this.

607 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:27:11pm

re: #601 Charles

Who's making a big deal of it?

The folks who point to this clip, then jump up and down screaming "See?! See?! He really is a muslim"!

Not me - I just thought it was a funny slip of the tongue, not a Freudian slip or some shocking revelation.

Obama's getting rattled, and he's making dumb mistakes like this.

True dat.

608 jake341  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:27:21pm

536 Salem

Bill and Hillary have always reminded me of a couple of Disney villains. We're intended to regard the villains in the old Disney movies as EVIL, not just misunderstood...

Cruella De'Ville from 101 Dalmatians!
More like Monty Burns and Waylon Smithers...

609 jake341  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:28:54pm

funny slip of the tongue, not a Freudian slip or some shocking revelation.


Didn't freud opine, that there were NO mistakes?

610 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:31:15pm

"Please note: I’m absolutely not saying that Obama has made a shocking Freudian slip and revealed a secret devotion to Islam. This is posted because it shows that Obama’s getting seriously rattled by all this attention, and making dumb mistakes as a result."

i concur Charles.

if a election pressure does this to him, imagine if he was president during a major international crisis.

611 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:32:57pm

re: #609 jake341

funny slip of the tongue, not a Freudian slip or some shocking revelation.


Didn't freud opine, that there were NO mistakes?

Yes.

612 Colin Nelson  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:34:11pm

#579 Amy. Thank you for the link to Hot Air's unedited (I hope!) link to the interview. Should be a must for all posters to this thread who read a considerable amount into it via the short version.

It is illuminating to see the expanded version where the 'slip' has much more and relevant context.

That said, Charles' recent post - that the slip is an indication of (possibly) how rattled BHO has become rather than some revelation as to his true faith - makes a lot of sense.

613 Emery Calame  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:36:13pm

Obama really missed his calling. He could have been the greatest news anchorman ever. Hell he could probably single handedly get MSNBC into 2nd place in a week.

No man is better at reading a script on on video than he is.

I can't say I want him in charge of the US executive though. Pragmatic fumbling towards socialist idealism is not a good choice here at the height of the information era. In my lifetime, if I drive carefully and take my medicine, I may see the development of a tradition where every presidential admistration has an official national multimedia meme with some kind of wacky, ironic, retro component.

Obama's might be: I r srs prsident. This r srs change.!

Biden's might be: O hai! Srry if I hated ur Bsh 2 much....

McCain's might be: I'm in ur whte house killin ur earmrkz. lol.

Sarah Palin's might be: USA: full of win. MSM: still stuck on stupid. FIGHT!

Ron Paul: Help me. I'm scared of my own followers. They won't let me leave. Call the police. I think they may eat me.

614 bcgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:36:35pm

once again it is he the messiah himself who is making a big deal of it. he just said that the party was accusing him not the candidate or the campaign,
the fact it every time he opens his mouth lately more of my moonbat friends or younger friends who have been brainwashed by the media and the obamahype are "seeing a light come from ... somewhere> and they are saying,, no i cannot vote for obama,, and ther reasons why are of no matter to me,, i for one do believe COULD be a closet muslim because as stated before i IT'S IN THE KORAN (any one got the link to that cute little song?" SO while i do agree that future President McCain should not mention this,,, i am most grateful to obamaloser for mentioning it

sure: #602 galloping granny

I saw the comment in context long before a thread of it appeared.

615 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:39:54pm

re: #590 galloping granny

I see no one trying to find imperfections. We are all full of imperfections. Obama, however, is full of outright, repeated lies.

Gamey Troll buttocks, it's whats for lunch at LGF today...

myself

Registered since: Oct 17, 2007 at 11:01 am

No. of comments posted: 3
No. of links posted: 0

By my count the fifth one to expose themselves today...

616 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:42:39pm

re: #615 doriangrey

By my count the fifth one to expose themselves today...

I had Cranky Flakes for breakfast :)

617 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:45:13pm

re: #616 galloping granny

I had Cranky Flakes for breakfast :)

Undercover/sleeper Obama faithful coming out in defense of their messiah...

618 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:45:40pm

#605 galloping granny

I don't know about you, but my very biggest problem with Obama's muslim past is that he lies about it.

And he keeps giving us more lies for contrast and comparison. When the media had their knickers in a knot over Palin's pregnant daughter, Sarah dealt with it head-on. No lying, no cover-up, no sending daughter to Europe, or getting an abortion. She just told the truth.

#612 Colin Nelson

Thank you for the link to Hot Air's unedited (I hope!) link to the interview. Should be a must for all posters to this thread who read a considerable amount into it via the short version.

I did see it but it really didn't change anything. Obama isn't being judged by one slip of the tongue here - he's given us more than a boatload of bs to consider.

If the O wants some good advice, it would be this: Stop lying. Start telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Be a man; stop blaming and complaining. No excuses.

619 pingjockey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:46:03pm

re: #581 myself
am sorry you're ignorant.

620 Emery Calame  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:46:46pm

re: #601 Charles

Who's making a big deal of it? Not me - I just thought it was a funny slip of the tongue, not a Freudian slip or some shocking revelation.

Obama's getting rattled, and he's making dumb mistakes like this.

I think Obama went to the church in Chicago strictly to recruit easily outraged leftists for his communtiy organizing efforts.

He doesn't care about this religeous stuff. It's like asking a guy who doesn't care about cookies the difference between hydrox and nutter butters and he tries to go along with you because he wants to sell you an insurance policy.

With a little prompting and sympathy for his political beliefs you could probably (off camera) get him to confess to secretly admiring anything no matter how kooky: cyber-Taoism, furry sexual identity, or even the Jedi code as interpreted by the Knightly order of New South Wales(2nd council of 2004) and get him to sign a petition to put Wing Gundam back on cartoon network to boot. And after all that he'd probably tell some one in his pol-machine to look all that stuff up on wikipedia and see if it was worth developing a line on.

621 pingjockey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:47:26pm

re: #615 doriangrey
5 today? See what happens when you go out to mow the lawn. There was an ijit the other night, 38 comments in 4 years!

622 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:50:21pm

re: #619 pingjockey

am sorry you're ignorant.

myself is not ignorant, brainwashed by liberal/marxist/socialist/communist propaganda and blinded by the light of the Messiah, but not ignorant.

623 Colin Nelson  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:56:40pm

#618 Ladycatnip.

Is that a 'swiftboatload' of bs.

Glad you saw the Hot Air clip.

You are right, it may not be a mind changer, but it does help us understand how he made the gaff - that is by trying to be too cute by half; by trying to link McCain himself to the issue of his muslimism (or not). He had so many tricks going on in his brain that he forgot where all the words were supposed to fit into the narrative.

624 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:57:18pm

I would at least say that if a person's Christianity was really a bedrock part of that person, then no matter how tired they were, or rattled, they would not say"my muslim faith."

625 pingjockey  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:57:40pm

re: #622 doriangrey
Hmmm...Asshat better than ignorant? Lackey, sap, fool, fellow traveler, comrade.

626 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 1:59:52pm

re: #624 Ojoe

I would at least say that if a person's Christianity was really a bedrock part of that person, then no matter how tired they were, or rattled, they would not say"my muslim faith."

Exactly.

627 Paul  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:00:52pm

There's two Obamas running for office:

#1 Teleprompter Obama: Outstanding orator, visionary, messianic.

#2 No Teleprompter Obama: Stumbling, unsure, hesitant, prone to gaffes.

628 bcgirl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:05:10pm

so many tricks so little time, so small a brain

re: #623 Colin Nelson

#618 Ladycatnip.

Is that a 'swiftboatload' of bs.

Glad you saw the Hot Air clip.

You are right, it may not be a mind changer, but it does help us understand how he made the gaff - that is by trying to be too cute by half; by trying to link McCain himself to the issue of his muslimism (or not). He had so many tricks going on in his brain that he forgot where all the words were supposed to fit into the narrative.

629 Amy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:10:39pm

re: #601 Charles

Who's making a big deal of it? Not me - I just thought it was a funny slip of the tongue, not a Freudian slip or some shocking revelation.

Obama's getting rattled, and he's making dumb mistakes like this.

Charles, I still think you should add an update regarding the fact that the video has been heavily edited in order to suggest that Obama "admitted" his Muslim faith and that people should listen to the unedited version and make up their own minds as to what he actually said and in what context. That's only fair. If this kind of thing were done to McCain or Palin, we'd all be screaming about it, and rightly so.

We can only evaluate what we can see and hear, and this sort of Bowdlerization of videos is dangerous because it deprives us of the ability to look, listen and make up our own minds about what was actually said. Critical thinking skills are useless if we aren't given the facts on which to exercise them.

630 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:12:03pm

re: #577 ladycatnip

I don't think BS counts as mighty works...

631 jas  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:12:53pm

I just realized what is disturbing about this - when speaking of so-called accusations, he didn't respond by saying, "accusations about me being a Muslim". He responded be referring to them as accusations about his "Muslim faith". There is something deeper here. Frankly, "his Muslim faith" would not be the least of my about an Obama presidency - no, the Marxist economic aganeda, the disastrous foreign policy and desire to increase the role of government would rank much higher. But, as others have stated, such a slip only points out that this man's whole identity is nothing more the a complete fabrication being shoved down the throats of what was hoped to be a distracted voting populace.

632 Charles  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:25:43pm

re: #629 Amy

Charles, I still think you should add an update regarding the fact that the video has been heavily edited in order to suggest that Obama "admitted" his Muslim faith and that people should listen to the unedited version and make up their own minds as to what he actually said and in what context. That's only fair. If this kind of thing were done to McCain or Palin, we'd all be screaming about it, and rightly so.

We can only evaluate what we can see and hear, and this sort of Bowdlerization of videos is dangerous because it deprives us of the ability to look, listen and make up our own minds about what was actually said. Critical thinking skills are useless if we aren't given the facts on which to exercise them.

I disagree. This wasn't edited, it's an unaltered clip from the interview, and he's clearly saying, "You're right, John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith."

The only editing was to take a 17-second clip out of a longer interview. It was not altered.

633 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:26:13pm
634 indythinker  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:29:21pm

Transcript from video. The ABC News video is broken up by an ad, but if you keep watching, you eventually get there. I am omitting all of Obama's usual stuttering and "uhs".

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]


STEPHANOPOLOUS: You mentioned your Muslim faith. Yesterday you took off after the Republicans for suggesting your Muslim connections. Just to--just a few minutes ago Rick Davis, John McCain's campaign manager, said they've never done that, this is a false and cynical attempt to play victim.

OBAMA: You know what? These guys love to throw a rock and hide their hand.

STEPHANOPOLOUS: The McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections.

OBAMA: No, no no, but the--I don't think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let's say, and Republican commentators who are closely allied to these folks--

STEPHANOPOLOUS: But John McCain said that's wrong.

OBAMA: Well, look, the--listen. You and I both know that the minute that Governor Palin was forced to talk about her daughter I immediately said that's off-limits.

STEPHANOPOLOUS: John McCain said the same thing about questioning your faith.

OBAMA: And what was the first thing the McCain campaign went out and did? They said look, these liberal blogs that support Obama are out there attacking Governor Palin. Look, let's not play games. What I was suggesting, you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith and you're absolutely right that has not come

STEPHANOPOLOUS: Christian faith

OBAMA: My Christian faith. And, well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't said that

STEPHANOPOLOUS: (talking over Obama) Disconnections from--

OBAMA: (finishing sentence as Stephanopolous is done talking over Obama) I'm a Muslim, and I think that his campaign upper-echelons have not either. What I think is fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith. Something which I find deeply offensive and something that has been going on for a pretty long time.

635 indythinker  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:32:40pm

A couple of reactions:

Why does Stephanopolous say "Disconnections from"? What the heck does that mean and what does Stephanopolous mean by it?

In the end, this opens the door to more questions about Obama's background, about which he has been less than forthcoming?

Can we say that it was a Freudian slip? No, maybe it isn't. It does seem to me likely that where there is smoke, there is fire. And there must be more to Obama's connections to Islam than he has publicly let on. To start with, he should answer the question of how he knows Khalid Al-Mansour, whether he agrees with him that Western Civilization should be destroyed, etc...

Obama is such a gullible fool. He always falls in with creeps like Jeremiah Wright William Ayers. Do we want such a gullible fool in the Oval Office?

636 indythinker  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:35:34pm

BTW, on the video, when Stephanopolous says "Christian faith," Obama gets a really scared, wide-eyed look for a fraction of a second, like a deer in the headlights.

637 grahamski  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:38:00pm

The first TRUE thing I have heard him say.

638 Lynn B.  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:40:19pm

re: #601 Charles

Who's making a big deal of it? Not me - I just thought it was a funny slip of the tongue, not a Freudian slip or some shocking revelation.

Obama's getting rattled, and he's making dumb mistakes like this.

Charles, my comment about making a big deal of it was absolutely NOT referring to you. I'm sorry if it sounded that way.

639 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 2:53:27pm

Another way to look at this is:

WHile the Constitution forbids any religious test for holding public office,
IMHO Obama's slip here does show a man unsure of him self at a very fundamental level; hardly a recommendation for the post to which he aspires.

640 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:00:28pm

It will be interesting to see the reaction to Obama's statement/mis-statement in the Middle East in the next few days.

641 eff plus  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:06:56pm

From what I understand, George Stephanopoulos has a pretty strict Christian background. I really hope somewhere, either consciously or deep down, he understands the possible consequences, for everyone, including himself, he was facing in that interview.

642 ratherdashing  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:08:05pm

re: #632 Charles

A few KosKids are panicky over the comment. It all starts after the video is linked to their thread. If you want to add an update, maybe their comments would be worth it.

We're screwed

643 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:11:45pm

if anything - this freudian slip tells me a lot about obama. he's not a man of conviction. and is certainly not leadership material.

if you ask me, the Dems made a big mistake by not picking Hilary. much as i disagree with her politics, at least i am darn sure where she stands. and she's one hell of a tough cookie.

644 ratherdashing  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:11:45pm

re: #636 indythinker

That's an "oh sh*t" moment. We've all been there, on some level.

645 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:15:00pm

"There is, literally, nothing else worse he could have said.

He's done.
by Angry White Democrat"

i hope thats not a Repub shill. could be Hilary dem?

646 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:16:56pm

why do Kos Kids have such sweary language?

its been nothing but polite on here.

647 kuffar  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:22:42pm

Obama= Done. Runner-up. Investigated. Tried. Convicted. Thrown in Jail...

648 TheSpartan  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:37:51pm

It's on Drudge now.. Bad news for the left.

649 insomniac  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:48:14pm

Now we now...Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim

Why is he hiding it?

650 NelsFree  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:49:14pm

re: #582 Nancy

I don't believe he is Muslim no matter what he was exposed to as a child.
There is no way a true Muslim would even go INTO a Christian Church much less attend one and pretend to be a Christian for 20 years.

Please link to: [Link: www.ci-ce-ct.com...]
Two excerpts:

During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water’. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ’ to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy’.

As the Prophet said: 'he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.’

651 allendulles  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:51:08pm

The Kristof article is available here:
[Link: projects2.gbppr.org...]

652 kafir  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:57:59pm

It really doesnt matter what he is. Its not his religion I am voting against. Its his inability to make good decisions about who should be his advisors.

What worries me is that so many lefties and liberals are all hell bent on electing the first black president, that they aren't paying attention to the decisions the guy is making about policy, who advises him, ...

Anyone taking any advice on foreign policy from Zbigniew Brzezinski must have more than one screw loose. Anyone giving some of the other bone-heads, including various anti-semitic twits, an advisory role, is not thinking clearly. Anyone praising Dhimmi Carter as a positive force, and a good ex-president, is completely and utterly clueless.

His race doesn't matter. His religion doesn't matter. His decisions do matter.

As his first "presidential" decision, he picked Joe Biden.

This pretty much says it all.

653 THX-42  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 3:58:08pm

Sorry to disagree with our host and many of our elders here, but this IS significant. Not in the sense that this is a confession or open admission, but that it has real elements of truth that have been suppressed. A Freudian slip isn't just an innocent word gaffe (please don't force me to give you a Freud reading assignment). It does indeed reveal something.

Just for an exercise, try saying a similar phrase to yourself out loud. "My Buddhist faith." "My Jewish faith." "My Lutheran faith." Please. Try it. Can't be done. The combination of those 3 words carries with it a claim of a long-term self identification.

Make your own conclusions about what all the ramifications might be, but it wasn't just a verbal gaffe.

654 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 4:02:16pm

re: #180 Maine's Michael

A reader at Commentary writes:


Interesting take.

The Commentary reader suggest Palin drives Obama crazy because she is sexier. In the Toni Morrison sense of the term, she called Clinton "black," Palin in some ways out-blacks him. In today`s world a woman from the midwest and Alaska with no family connections and no Harvard degree is less a part of the meritocratic elite than Obama. But either way I agree, she tears at his narcissism.

655 llanite  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 4:02:40pm

re: #201 gmsc

No, I was replying to a post that was making it sound like atheism was bad because communism was bad. I was just parodying that by saying Catholicism was bad because Hitler was one.

I guess I could have been clearer.

Hi - I didn't intend to imply any judgement regarding atheism. My original quote:

Exactly! Although, being a good communist, losing his religion was on his to-do list anyway...

only meant to imply Obama's leftist leanings were communist in nature, and that Marx, Stalin, and Mao all felt the 'losing your religion' was part of the glorious communist experience. Atheism (to me at least) is quite distinct from the state-worship of the modern communist states. Apologies if I gave offense.

656 kuffar  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 4:02:45pm

To me. Whether or not he is a Muslim or a Christian (of which I am neither) it proves to me that he doesn't know who he is. It brings out doubt in his character. It makes me think he is insecure about his own identity. In other words. WEAKNESS...

657 Amy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 4:03:55pm

re: #632 Charles

Charles,
I'm happy to see that you added an update with a link to the longer video. Thank you!

I did not mean to imply that Obama didn't say what's in the shorter version. However, the way in which the original video was edited clearly shows that the editor intended to convey a false impression of what Obama was talking about by eliminating the contextual conversation. Obama said what he said in a clumsy way, but it's obvious (to me, at least) that he's referring to claims by others about his [alleged] Muslim faith and is not stating that faith as a fact.
There are more than enough real issues to go after Obama about; this kind of cheap shot is not only unnecessary but potentially damaging to McCain.

658 Amy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 4:06:03pm

re: #649 insomniac

Now we now...Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim

Why is he hiding it?

No, we don't "now" that he's a Muslim.

659 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 4:22:58pm

re: #658 Amy

Speaking personally I'm not sure what he is, but I am not about to vote for an unknown.

660 Lynn B.  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 4:34:12pm

re: #659 Ojoe

Speaking personally I'm not sure what he is, but I am not about to vote for an unknown.

Ojoe, by this point I'd venture to say that what we already DO know about him is more disturbing than what we don't. Or at least disturbing enough.

661 buzzdroid  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 4:43:56pm

i noticed the update from charles and the link to the longer hotair.com video.

still doesnt work for me.

"my muslim faith" is not something i would even dream of saying.

instead i would say "talking about me believing in Islam"...

either way - the guy is gaffe prone.

662 Amy  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 5:05:15pm

re: #659 Ojoe

Amen to that, bro.

663 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 5:11:56pm

re: #660 Lynn B.

Yes, you are right.

But perhaps the "question mark" argument will appeal to some people who would not otherwise vote for McCain-Palin.

664 ZardozZ  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 5:27:20pm

This is the most blatant example of BIASED coaching and leading someone in an interview by George S. the MSM must believe that middle America is down right stupid! As Sean Hanity said a few days ago. "Journalism has died in 2008" Imagine coaching a candidate to follow their own talking points and draw statements! Freudian slip. You bet ! It rolled off his tongue. I could NEVER see my self making such a mistake with something as deep and personal as my religion !

___
ZZ Bachman / ZardozZ News & Satire Portal ( [Link: zardozz.com...] )

665 Emery Calame  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 5:50:08pm

I think when you have some component to your identity that you don't much care about you can be VERY easy to trip up.

For instance I am a Libra. But I bet if I was talking to some ardent astrologer they could easily trip me up (intentionally or otherwise) enough for me to say that I'm a Scorpio or a Virgo or whatever. I don't believe in the significance of that stuff. I don't give a damn about it. It's mystical refuse that doesn't even entertain me on a story level (like say Jungian universalist interpretations of folktales and myths as ancient maps of the interior components of the human character might entertain me) so I'm vulnerable to being lead into glaring inaccuracies regarding that topic as I'm trying to stay focused and polite, yet avoid a dull topic that makes me snort and roll my eyes. So if somebody thought I was a real prick and said I was a scorpio I might well be caught mentioning my annoyance at their criticism of my "Scorpio characteristics" even though I'm actually a Libra.

I think that despite the claims in his book to Obama Christian is something to praise and respect when around christians that you want to vote for you and Islam is something to praise and respect when around muslims who you want to vote for you and it's about doing as Romans do when in in Rome.

I think his "clinging to God and guns" mode was closer to his true sentiments. It was condescending but merciful and supposedly empathic and caring. It was him looking down on the losers from his pedestal and describing how he thought he could help them and bring them into alignment with the big leftist plan (Take 15...try to get it right this time!). Y'know. Standard missionary stuff.

Or maybe it's more like Marlin Perkins sitting up in the helicopter watching Jim Fowler untie some run down, tranquilized, tagged, weighed, blood-sampled creature to wake up in it's new home on some Wyoming wildlife reservation.

I think that's what America is to Obama. It's a vast herd of stupid endangered beasts who all need to be subdued and airlifted to some facility that hems them in on some chunk of land that none of the really important people seem to want. Yet.

666 Biff  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 6:05:26pm

Just an update on my Google search experiment,

Started at 12:10 edt

tracking Google links based on the search:
obama "my muslim faith " stephanopoulos

Started with 26 result links at 12:10 edt
Currently 445 at 8:45 edt

The increase over time has been suprisingly linear, averaging about 8 new results every 10 minutes, or about 50 every hour. This rate has not significantly changed throughout the day.

Still, the Google News is only showing 5 hits, with only one of those a print publication, The Washington Times.

667 Maui Girl  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 6:54:53pm

Obama may not have "admitted" anything but it was definitely a Freudian slip. Because he used the word "my" rather than something like "being a" speaks volumes to me.

Besides I couldnt' let the last comment be 666. Ha!

668 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 7:36:47pm

well,
isn't it a crying shame when he can't come clean w/ being a moslem w/out the perceived repercussions from the american public.
why is it so taboo to make such a statement: "my moslem faith" .
( stephanopolis has to so nervously and quickly cover for him. )
wtf . what's he ashamed of? if it really is the religion of peace why is he so timid to be associated w/ it.
obama knows that people are watching.
all the atrocities being committed around the world by moslem terrorists,
in the name of ISLAM.
ropma and he knows it.

669 wizard61  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 7:56:34pm

Bad judgment on LGF to post on this with ANY glee. Now any further criticism from you is "just another hater freak".

O threw this out as bait, you took it.

Get smarter.

670 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 8:51:49pm

re: #669 wizard61

Like I'm sure the complicated thought occured to BHO "It will be a good thing for my election chances to say "my Muslim faith" so my opponents can gleefuly remark on it. Thus I will get more votes".

Correct.

/

671 Roy Tucker  Sun, Sep 7, 2008 9:51:17pm

Why does the Big O get mulligans? Stephanoupolous sure was quick on the uptake. I am sure he will do the same for McCain.

672 Sprite  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 12:26:17am

re: #669 wizard61

Sorry wiz, O ain't that smart, clearly.

And there was no glee here, either on the part of Charles or Any of the commenters. I have read every comment. Concern and consternation, yes. Observations, yes. But glee? No.

673 ashan  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:08:20am

No glee. It just proves that BHO is a liar. The truth always spills out somehow. Like Kerry's nasty lies. Barry might have been able to pull a fast one on a few people, but not a whole nation. You can't swiftboat everyone.

I always sensed something was fishy with BHO. (A plant? Saudis? Bin Talal? Taqiyya is the name of the game.) Two polished bios for a nobody. No records. No achievements. Climbed to the top of a ladder with no rungs. Highly questionable associations - especially for a candidate for POTUS. A bit of a speaker only with a script and a teleprompter. Too much mystique. Too much hype. Far too much money - $100 million for a nobody, a real zero. Phony all the way.

Anyway, we're getting the bombshell with McCain/Palin! Nothing could be finer.

674 J.S.  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 8:52:45am

Obama looks tired (exhausted) in this video...and his comments are made with a flat tone (a monotone)...even his "correction" is expressed in an expressionless, dispassionate way...(I suspect that "religion" is a big Zero for Obama -- it doesn't matter one whit. He doesn't care. Being a "Muslim" or being a "Christian" makes no material/moral difference for him...it's all the same...)

675 5PillarScribe  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 11:11:06am

I don’t see an ‘Oops!’ about any of it. If he gains, or re-gains faith as a Muslim, God bless him! If he becomes a better Christian — God bless him. If he becomes closer to God, God bless him. I’d rather have a president who’s heart is yearning to follow the God of the People of the Book, than to have one that is sure “God told me,” and felt justified in genocide of Muslims and Christians–worse yet, to help a people that don’t even believe in his God. 5pillar.wordpress.com

676 landshark  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 11:40:19am

Maybe he is a Muslim after all...

Thanks to RedState:
[Link: www.sitemason.com...]

Too Funny!

677 Ezekiel2517  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 5:00:02pm

He's as much a Muslim as he is a Christian. He has to be reminded which..

Just leave him alone and let him finish his waffle already!


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