Beware of a trap.

And it is MRS. not Ms. She is not a widower.

Looks like they are trying to ride the Palin express also. No shame whatsoever.

Not a puff piece. Damn. McCain going to lose a couple points. Nobody believes the NYT anymore.

I just read it, and yeah, its a puff piece.
Even the NYT can't be so blind as to attack a baby with Down syndrome.

They're still taking subtle swipes at her- one, by calling her "Ms. Palin" when it should be Governor Palin, and two, by suggesting she should have been examined instead of flying home to Alaska to have the baby. It's subtle, but you can tell they're not impressed with her.

re: #2 Celtic Templar

And it is MRS. not Ms. She is not a widower.

It's Governor. She's earned that title.

Hmmm, undertones of why does she dare leave him without mother's care when he is special?

retch!

re: #3 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Looks like they are trying to ride the Palin express also. No shame whatsoever.

I meant that they are trying to increase their readership, since there is no other way for them try and regain those Reagan Democrats that have started to cancel their subscriptions.

Governor Palin.

She's been chief executive of a State for the last two years.

Maybe they're trying a different approach. We'll support McCain/Palin, and people will vote against them...

re: #2 Celtic Templar

And it is MRS. not Ms. She is not a widower.

I noticed the use of "Ms. Palin" also. Could it be an allusion to her daughter?

re: #6 Sharmuta

They're still taking subtle swipes at her- one, by calling her "Ms. Palin" when it should be Governor Palin, and two, by suggesting she should have been examined instead of flying home to Alaska to have the baby. It's subtle, but you can tell they're not impressed with her.

The Time article was also very smug and dismissive. . .

re: #7 Sharmuta

It's Governor. She's earned that title.

I'm o.k. with Mr. Bush, Mr. Obama, Mr. McCain ... we do not elect Kings and Queens. I do understand your point though.

Its taken a few days, but I think its finally dawned on the Obamatrons that they were way over the top with the rabid unsubstantiated attacks, and its come back to bite them on the ass.

oh now, because she is an unstoppable rising star, they want to appear to be responsible journalists.
spit

"said Ms. Palin, who declined to be interviewed for this article. "

Imagine that. Spend a week trashing her, and then wonder why....
But I guess if you're going to do an interview, you should do it where someone will see it.

re: #7 Sharmuta

Agreed. How many times do we see Mr. Obama?

re: #7 Sharmuta

It's Governor. She's earned that title.

You're right. I've heard Governor Romney 100 times for every time I've heard Mitt

They got their asses handed to them when they tried the frontal assault; now they'll try the passive-aggressive insinuendo path.

God bless Governor Sarah Palin!

God bless her family!

God bless America!

McCAIN/PALIN '08!

Typical chauvinistic piggy talk from the NYT. They can't stand a strong woman that is not Leftoid.

I don't think it's so puff- they were just sly about it. She didn't tell her family, she didn't tell them Trig had Downs. The subtle message is she's secretive. Oh- and they question how a woman could go back to work in 3 days.

I think they were begrudgingly nice, meaning they were nice, but they didn't want to be.

re: #2 Celtic Templar

And it is MRS. not Ms. She is not a widower.

Ms. is a currently widely accepted (and politically correct) term for any adult female woman.

To many, "Mrs." is old-school fuddy-duddy territory.

I am not really interested in reading what the NYT has to say. I've seen enough from them to last a lifetime.

They certainly played up the concealing of the pregnancy.

But even with reading this with a very jaundiced eye,other than some subliminal swipes, after re-reading it several times I think it's a pretty fair piece.

No doubt written when Obama still had a lead

re: #24 looking closely

Ms. is a currently widely accepted (and politically correct) term for any adult female woman.

To many, "Mrs." is old-school fuddy-duddy territory.

MRS. Palin is just the person to hunt PC crap and shoot to kill.

re: #9 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I meant that they are trying to increase their readership, since there is no other way for them try and regain those Reagan Democrats that have started to cancel their subscriptions.

Agreed - the Palin effect has them sweating bullets. They know the internal subscription numbers, and when the PUMAs start peeling away from the Times, it's truly over. Hence, I think you'll see several more puff pieces before they try to drop the hammer about a week out. Assuming that BBHOO* is still competitive.

..

..

* Barack Barry Hussein Osama Obama

If this turns into a rout, are we looking at Clinton -vs- Palin in 2012? Wow.

re: #24 looking closely

Ms. is a currently widely accepted (and politically correct) term for any adult female woman.

To many, "Mrs." is old-school fuddy-duddy territory.

Why doesn't someone simply ask Sarah Palin which she prefers?

"Ms. Palin"?

"Mrs. Palin"?

"Governor Palin"?

"HMHIC"? (Head Moose Hunter In Charge)

re: #2 Celtic Templar

And it is MRS. not Ms. She is not a widower.

It should be Gov. Palin. Not Ms. or Mrs. but Gov. Palin.

re: #23 Sharmuta

I don't think it's so puff- they were just sly about it. She didn't tell her family, she didn't tell them Trig had Downs. The subtle message is she's secretive. Oh- and they question how a woman could go back to work in 3 days.

I think they were begrudgingly nice, meaning they were nice, but they didn't want to be.

There is absolutely no question that the article takes many shots at Palin.

But ultimately, its a puff piece. There is no real substance to it, apart from a hint that Palin is (shockingly) actually a political animal after all.

re: #29 blink

If this turns into a rout, are we looking at Clinton -vs- Palin in 2012? Wow.

No Contest!

re: #24 looking closely

Ms. is a currently widely accepted (and politically correct) term for any adult female woman.

To many, "Mrs." is old-school fuddy-duddy territory.

Maybe that's the problem? Who made this the status quo? My wife and mother would have an issue.

re: #22 FurryOldGuyJeans

Typical chauvinistic piggy talk from the NYT. They can't stand a strong woman that is not Leftoid.

Silly rabbit. Republicans aren't people!

Well color me surprised. But of course opponents are going to say Gov. Palin is using Trig for political gain. Just the week before they were claiming he was Bristol's.

I found the article very condescending to Palin. An example of the thinly disguised contempt:

Ms. Palin’s prism of God, Alaska and Country, in that order, obscures an irony. When 17-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears, Britney’s sister, shows up pregnant, it becomes one more example of permissiveness gone amok. But array those same circumstances over 17-year-old Bristol Palin, and it is received at the convention as one more example of steadfast prolife values.

BHO: "HAAAAAAALP!""

NYT: "Shush! You'll wake the baby!

"exploiting Trig for polical gain?

I'm figuring that Sarah Palin figured she didn't have much of a shot at being McCain's veep choice. What was she supposed to do, withdraw from consideration because her youngest child has special needs?

It figures that the NYT published this. They were simply echoing the acidly poisonous opinions of their primary constituency.

The more the media tries to wrest back control of this election, the more the chances become that the GOP wins. And right now, the trend is toward winning big, including the dems NOT coming close to the big legislative majorities that the they hoped for in order to force-feed their far-left liberal agenda and SCOTUS judges on us for at least the next 4-8 years.

Guess where I think they can go?

Sorry to go OT but there is a great troop support show on ABC right now on the west coast.

sarah palin has the highest approval rate of any governor of any state.
78%.

re: #19 cliffster

You're right. I've heard Governor Romney 100 times for every time I've heard Mitt

CALLING HER MS. instead of GOV'R is just the belittling her like obama did when he called her mayor. slick attack but still an attack.

re: #30 victor_yugo

Why doesn't someone simply ask Sarah Palin which she prefers?

Any why would the NYT ask Palin which term she prefers, or even seek any input from her whatever in their little article about her baby?

At least they didn't call her "sweetie".

It's not a puff piece.
It's a front loaded piece hinting that she should be at home and not running for V.P. and with great nuance says that she is using her baby as a political tool.
It's akin to the old "how long have you been beating your wife?" type of narrative.

NYT asshats.

The real story would be the editorial meetings at the Times. Pinch is bankrupting the family and if he wants to keep Murdoch out he is going to have to start tossing baggage overboard. Wonder when Frank Rich and Bob Herbert will bail?

re: #39 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The more the media tries to wrest back control of this election, the more the chances become that the GOP wins.

I'm reminded of a little kid, trying to pick up an inflatable ball, and every time he gets close to it, he manages to kick it away before he can grab it.

lets see if the NEW YORK SLIME does a puff piece on obama and calls him MR OBAMA

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

They're leading....By watching where the crowd is heading and trying to get in front. Nobody is listening any more, and they are attemping to regain credibility so that they may control the masses. It's not going to work.

God bless Trig Paxson Van Palin! One of the most beautiful babies I've ever seen i my life.

And his mother too!

re: #6 Sharmuta

They're still taking subtle swipes at her- one, by calling her "Ms. Palin" when it should be Governor Palin, and two, by suggesting she should have been examined instead of flying home to Alaska to have the baby. It's subtle, but you can tell they're not impressed with her.

Oh they're impressed all right. Terrified would be a more acurate word. The media is riding the wrong horse, and he's going to fall on the 9th hazard, spilling the rider in a very ugly accident.

re: #37 twincitiesgirl

I found the article very condescending to Palin. An example of the thinly disguised contempt:

The difference being that Governor Palin's daughters don't show patterns of public whoredom, consistently bad life choices, and insanity remedied with copious quantities of illegal drugs, all of which could have been prevented by good parenting.

Which is more than you can say for Ms. Spears and her momma.

re: #45 lifeofthemind

The real story would be the editorial meetings at the Times. Pinch is bankrupting the family and if he wants to keep Murdoch out he is going to have to start tossing baggage overboard. Wonder when Frank Rich and Bob Herbert will bail?

i bet frank rich is flung before he bails,

re: #37 twincitiesgirl
They NYT is shading this. FWIW, Jamie Spears was pregnant at 16 (not 17).

But at least she made a new friend.

re: #37 twincitiesgirl

Sorry, I was already reading this piece and it's what I responded to;

Drawing a Bead on the Press

re: #44 ghost707

It's not a puff piece.
It's a front loaded piece hinting that she should be at home and not running for V.P. and with great nuance says that she is using her baby as a political tool.
It's akin to the old "how long have you been beating your wife?" type of narrative.

NYT asshats.

She should be at home, baking cookies for her half-breed husband.

/wait, I thought Republicans were the bigots and woman-haters?

“To any critics who say a woman can’t think and work and carry a baby at the same time,” she said, “I’d just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave.”

Sarah Palin

re: #54 twincitiesgirl

Thanks for posting that, I thought I was missing a page at the NYT, until I googled "palin prism."

re: #2 Celtic Templar

And it is MRS. not Ms. She is not a widower.

The Times, like every paper has a Stylebook. That is the Bible for how a story is written. Women are refered to as Ms unless they are refered to as Dr or there is some other clear and established reason to do otherwise. If we see them violating their own rules we have something.

re: #32 looking closely

There is absolutely no question that the article takes many shots at Palin.

But ultimately, its a puff piece. There is no real substance to it, apart from a hint that Palin is (shockingly) actually a political animal after all.

I saw it as character assassination. She was secretive (read manipulative) about her pregnancy and the baby's condition. She's not motherly enough- she went back to work and made her husband watch the baby. They're trying to paint her as a bad mother. They can kiss my ass.

re: #349 DisturbedEma (previous thread)

Has he educated himself about the nature of the smears and their falsity?
About how Dangerous the One is? About his history?
Does he have knowledge about McCain's and Palin's personal and government history?

If he does, good, tell him to get materials together (papers and stuff) and reverse his earlier campaign to get people to vote McCain.

If he knows about the Voter Fraud and Intimidation... He should go to the local DA and admit to it and offer to turn States Witness.

re: #24 looking closely

Ms. is a currently widely accepted (and politically correct) term for any adult female woman.

To many, "Mrs." is old-school fuddy-duddy territory.

To those not of the pc persuasion, "Ms." is only appropriate when the marital status but not the sex of a clearly adult woman is unknown.

I won't allow morons to define my language, nor should you.

re: #40 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thanks.

re: #6 Sharmuta

They're still taking subtle swipes at her- one, by calling her "Ms. Palin" when it should be Governor Palin, and two, by suggesting she should have been examined instead of flying home to Alaska to have the baby. It's subtle, but you can tell they're not impressed with her.

And how long did the MSM refer to PRESIDENT Bush as "Mr. Bush," all the while reverently referring to President Clinton? It's par for the course. The left is into titles, however false they may be (community organizer?). It's a way to belittle, subtle, and I've seen it A LOT in business. Kinda kin to referring to a female executive as "little lady."

re: #40 Pvt Bin Jammin

Got it on!

re: #51 Pawn of the Oppressor

The difference being that Governor Palin's daughters don't show patterns of public whoredom, consistently bad life choices, and insanity remedied with copious quantities of illegal drugs, all of which could have been prevented by good parenting.

Supposedly B. Spears has bipolar disorder, which could (legitimately) explain some of her less-than-rational appearing life choices.

re: #62 HelloDare

re: #64 rawmuse

I almost forgot about it myself. It looks like it's going to be good!

The New York Times does, indeed dispense with the titles when writing about Presidents and Senators, Judges, etc. In first mention NYT style appears to use the title, then skips it. However, the Ms. thing, not so much.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/us/politics/27DE MSDAY.html?hp

I will quote one section:

Mrs. Clinton, who was once certain that she would win the Democratic nomination this year, also took steps on Tuesday — deliberate steps, aides said — to keep the door open to a future bid for the presidency. She rallied supporters in her speech, and, at an earlier event with 3,000 women, described her passion about her own campaign. And her aides limited input on the speech from Obama advisers, while seeking advice from her former strategist, Mark Penn, a loathed figure in the Obama camp.

But the main task for Mrs. Clinton at the convention — reaffirming her support for Mr. Obama in soaring and unconditional language — dominated her 23-minute...

re: #58 lifeofthemind

The Times, like every paper has a Stylebook. That is the Bible for how a story is written. Women are refered to as Ms unless they are refered to as Dr or there is some other clear and established reason to do otherwise. If we see them violating their own rules we have something.

How do they refer to Hillary? Ms Clinton?

The NY Slimes is merely preaching to the choir. An if this is all they've got, they are in very bad shape indeed.

That's my take- they painted her as a secretive, manipulative mother who put her job over her special needs baby. They suck.

Better than I expected but I sensed a gun was being held to the writer's head.

re: #49 DesertSage

God bless Trig Paxson Van Palin! One of the most beautiful babies I've ever seen i my life.

And his mother too!

Trig getting a "do" from big sis.

Hey all y'all - sorry to be late to the party again!
Are we sure this is the piece Drudge was talking about?
Cause, ya know, if it is, it's hardly an "expose" and that would mean that Drudge was............either misled or was misleading his readers!
Could that possibly be true?
/

OT

The discovery Channel show on the 9/11 attacks and WTC collapse looks very good, with real experts, with actual degrees.

And then there is this article: NYT: 'Journalists Wrinkled Their Nose in Disgust' at Piper's Touching Gesture

I love this passage:

Like a lot of delegates at the Xcel — and the woman whom they nominated as John McCain’s running mate — Ms. O’Hara was fired up by all the sudden energy, but a bit suspicious of those who were there to cover it.

“Conservatives have a bad history with The New York Times,” she said, looking at my press ID, still smiling and still very friendly. “How can I be sure that you won’t take my words and twist them to suit some agenda that you already have?”

Her friends from Montana leaned in and enjoyed the spectacle as I stammered my way through a response. I’m working on an answer because I don’t think it is the last time that question is going to come up.

Damn linky thing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/us/politics/27DE MSDAY.html?hp

Never trust the NYT.......

Ever.

re: #65 looking closely

Supposedly B. Spears has bipolar disorder, which could (legitimately) explain some of her less-than-rational appearing life choices.

I've read the same about Amy Winehouse, G-d protect her. In all these cases, and in the case of an ex-GF who had similar problems, the biggest similarity is a weak or flat-out absent father... If the parents aren't there, it doesn't matter what you have.

What am I doing wrong?

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

re: #70 Sharmuta

That's my take- they painted her as a secretive, manipulative mother who put her job over her special needs baby. They suck.

She's worse than Rove!

/I hope so, more moonbat heads a poppin'

re: #72 jcm

Interesting contrast in 'journalistic' perception, from the article linked by twincitiesgirl in #54:
"In the press galleries at the convention, journalists wrinkled their noses in disgust when Piper, Palin's youngest daughter, was filmed kitty-licking her baby brother's hair into place. But to many Americans — including some I talked to in the convention hall — that looked like family church on Sunday, evidence of good breeding and sibling regard."
[Link: www.iht.com...]

re: #74 mattm

OT

The discovery Channel show on the 9/11 attacks and WTC collapse looks very good, with real experts, with actual degrees.

Sucka' the troof is out there!
//////

The nutroots blew off all their toes and they're still pulling the trigger as it goes click
h/t The Jesus

re: #75 musicman

You're too fast!

Struggling to accept that her child would be born with Down syndrome

So how do they know that?

re: #61 really grumpy big dog Johnson

To those not of the pc persuasion, "Ms." is only appropriate when the marital status but not the sex of a clearly adult woman is unknown.

I won't allow morons to define my language, nor should you.

HUZZAH!

Could it be that Obama may be falling out of favor with the MSM now that he has knocked Hillary off the sure thing pedestal. He might be on the track of being old news.... The NYT is hedging its bets..! Obama might just be the next target to take down. They love to manipulate public perception. The feeling of power they get from it is intoxicating to them.

Objective unbiased journalism died a death sometime during the past four years. RIP fair and balanced. Those of us on the conservative right who have a down to earth grasp of the consequences of a liberal, defeatist, surrender to your enemy mentality must fight hard and expose in any way we can the dark side of Obama. Biden will stick his foot in his mouth sooner or later, but Obama's past associations, philosophies and ideology is being kept well hidden by both himself and his campaign managers. He is now drinking his own kool-aid and is vulnerable if MSM decides that the country is shifting toward the McCain / Palin ticket for the very reason that the media bias is so out of control, they have a fear that they DON'T know what they are getting because the media never did their due diligence on him they way they are plastering Palin. The polls are showing that American voters feel the media is more of a problem during political elections than campaign financing.

I posted this last weekend but will post it again. A paragraph in an e-mail I received from my dear friend, long-time Alaskan resident who just happens to be an African American woman:

"A majority of Alaskans of all parties like Sarah Palin. That's why she
won the Governor's election by such a wide margin. We believe in her
and trust her. Many here had previously voiced the opinion that one day
she could be U.S. President. This new Republican ticket will give Obama
a run for his money."

I don't think I've ever seen so many robots crawling around LGF. This is nuts.

re: #20 Salamantis

They got their asses handed to them when they tried the frontal assault; now they'll try the passive-aggressive insinuendo path.

I think that's another good indication that they might feel they're staring straight into the jaws of defeat.

re: #81 jaunte

Interesting contrast in 'journalistic' perception, from the article linked by twincitiesgirl in #54:
"In the press galleries at the convention, journalists wrinkled their noses in disgust when Piper, Palin's youngest daughter, was filmed kitty-licking her baby brother's hair into place. But to many Americans — including some I talked to in the convention hall — that looked like family church on Sunday, evidence of good breeding and sibling regard."
[Link: www.iht.com...]

Heck, I've done it to my own boys in pinch. It's a tiny window into a family, a sister that dotes on her brother.

re: #61 really grumpy big dog Johnson

To those not of the pc persuasion, "Ms." is only appropriate when the marital status but not the sex of a clearly adult woman is unknown.

I won't allow morons to define my language, nor should you.

I think the NYT really should be calling her "Governor" Palin. She has earned that right.

As to Ms. vs. Mrs. I didn't make that up. Its hardly new, and it wasn't invented by morons (see below). Lots of people feel women shouldn't be defined by their marital status. There is no equivalent title for men that specifies their marital status.

[Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

Ms. also Ms (mz)
n. pl. Mses. also Mses also Mss. or Mss (mzz)
1. Used as a courtesy title before the surname or full name of a woman or girl: Ms. Doe; Ms. Jane Doe.
2. Used in informal titles for a woman to indicate the epitomizing of an attribute or activity: Ms. Fashionable; Ms. Volleyball.
[Blend of Miss and Mrs.]
Usage Note: Many of us think of Ms. or Ms as a fairly recent invention of the women's movement, but in fact the term was first suggested as a convenience to writers of business letters by such publications as the Bulletin of the American Business Writing Association (1951) and The Simplified Letter, issued by the National Office Management Association (1952). Ms. is now widely used in both professional and social contexts. As a courtesy title Ms. serves exactly the same function that Mr. does for men, and like Mr. it may be used with a last name alone or with a full name. Furthermore, Ms. is correct regardless of a woman's marital status, thus relegating that information to the realm of private life, where many feel it belongs anyway. Some women prefer Miss or Mrs., however, and courtesy requires that their wishes be respected.

re: #91 jcm

I don't understand anyone who would wrinkle their nose at that. Pathetic, disconnected humanoids.

re: #33 lone_wolf_in_illinois

No Contest!

I don't know about that. Didn't Hilary used to "go a-shootin' out back o' her grandpappy's huntin' shack...in Connecticut" ? or something to that effect?

re: #89 Charles

Where are they all coming from?

re: #89 Charles

I don't think I've ever seen so many robots crawling around LGF. This is nuts.

Don't trust the shover robot.

re: #91 jcm

Heck, I've done it to my own boys in pinch. It's a tiny window into a family, a sister that dotes on her brother.

In just a few years, she'll be making his life a living hell.

What big sister doesn't do that to her little brother?

Yet, they always refer to Mrs. Clinton, not Ms. Clinton.
Ms. Palin, not Mrs. Palin.
Amazing how that style stuff works, eh?

re: #89 Charles

I don't think I've ever seen so many robots crawling around LGF. This is nuts.

Trying to get back inside the "OOLA" loop, no doubt.

re: #40 Pvt Bin Jammin

Sorry to go OT but there is a great troop support show on ABC right now on the west coast.

Just tuned in, and I'm in shock! Has ABC suddenly decided they are pro-troops? Has the network decided to switch course and become center-right? Maybe in response to NBC going hard left?

This is a great show, really great. Tributes to our soldiers the likes of which I've never seen in the MSM.

re: #97 victor_yugo

In just a few years, she'll be making his life a living hell.

What big sister doesn't do that to her little brother?

LOL! Siblings!

re: #93 jaunte

I don't understand anyone who would wrinkle their nose at that. Pathetic, disconnected humanoids.

On that subject, somebody here pointed out the amazing powers of mom spit. "It's funny because it's true."

For a bunch of mental children, the media types don't remember what it was like to be a child.

Just getting around to reading the Sunday paper, and I saw this:

Though Christie's mum, run for governor seems likely

If true, this is great news. This guy is a real reformer -- he indicts government officials by the dozen, and he doesn't care about the (D) or (R) next to their names.

He'd also make a great AG in a possible McCain administration. This bodes well for the Republican future.

re: #89 Charles
I'm genuinely sorry to ask this question, but can you tell where the 'bots are from? Or, more specifically, who it is that's sending them crawling all over us (resists sudden urge to scratch back!)?

re: #99 looking closely

Trying to get back inside the "OOLA" loop, no doubt.

Or if they're looking for pr0n, it'd be the "OOLALA" loop.

re: #98 j.pickens

Yet, they always refer to Mrs. Clinton, not Ms. Clinton.
Ms. Palin, not Mrs. Palin.
Amazing how that style stuff works, eh?

I wonder why? Really, why Ms. vs. Mrs. in this case. Is it to reinforce the Bill Clinton marriage scam?

re: #72 jcm

Trig getting a "do" from big sis.

That is probably the most endearing thing I've seen in politics in decades!

re: #89 Charles

I don't think I've ever seen so many robots crawling around LGF. This is nuts.

Okay, so I've learned about "Moby's" and "Trolls," but what's a "robot"?

re: #98 j.pickens

Yet, they always refer to Mrs. Clinton, not Ms. Clinton.
Ms. Palin, not Mrs. Palin.
Amazing how that style stuff works, eh?

Not just Mrs. - plenty of articles on NYT web site that refer to her as Senator Clinton.

I'm surprised they don't refer to her as "that redneck".

re: #24 looking closely

Ms. is a currently widely accepted (and politically correct) term for any adult female woman.

To many, "Mrs." is old-school fuddy-duddy territory.

Culturally speaking, such a thing is not often a big deal here in the states. Yet in many spanish speaking countries, calling a woman her age (especially a married woman) "señorita" (Ms.) rather than "señora" (Mrs.), is a grave insult. It is meant to imply that you are calling that woman a whore/prostitute.

At least, that is how I remember this bit of trivial info. I could be totally wrong.

re: #100 Dublin(CA)Dude

I have to say it is kind of a "flying pig" moment, isn't it. Good on ABC.

re: #104 realwest

I'm genuinely sorry to ask this question, but can you tell where the 'bots are from? Or, more specifically, who it is that's sending them crawling all over us (resists sudden urge to scratch back!)?

They are Obamatons.

First three comments:

Beware of a trap.

And...

And it is MRS. not Ms. She is not a widower.

Ah, that's not necessarily what Ms. means, but whatever. And...

Looks like they are trying to ride the Palin express also. No shame whatsoever.

Ha!
I love it.

Don't go changin', LGF commenters. Pick a crank and never stop turnin' it.

Love it.

I thought this observation was hilarious since it was written by a NYT's writer:

Ms. Palin, a woman who clearly understands the power of words, had a way of pronouncing media — “MEE-de-ah” — that made it sound like something legless and slithering

/priceless

re: #89 Charles

I don't think I've ever seen so many robots crawling around LGF. This is nuts.

Robots are the sincerest form of moonbattery.

re: #12 yitzy

Agreed. How many times do we see Mr. Obama?

In this one article, I counted 15.

I think I'll watch the Sarah Palin and Cindy McCain speeches now.

re: #98 j.pickens

Yet, they always refer to Mrs. Clinton, not Ms. Clinton.
Ms. Palin, not Mrs. Palin.
Amazing how that style stuff works, eh?

As above, "Ms." is the default, until or unless the individual in question specifies otherwise.

Short of calling her "Governor" Palin, "Ms." is just fine by me.

I do think the NYT refers to Mr. Obama, and Mr. Bush. Certainly it refers to the Secretary of State as "Ms. Rice".

I've been saying it in my posts on the previous thread, that we can't say jack 'till we know what they pull off.

And so I'm glad to see our expectations were off. Guess I'll use the cup holder for the upcoming presidential debates.

re: #89 Charles

I don't think I've ever seen so many robots crawling around LGF. This is nuts.

Raise the shields! Fire the photon torpedoes on my mark, Mr. Sulu!

re: #72 jcm Hey jcm! Are you kidding me? That's what got the media fools so "disgusted"?
Must all been only children!

re: #107 DesertSage

That is probably the most endearing thing I've seen in politics in decades!

I loved it, I said that's a clip that will go into her wedding video!

re: #37 twincitiesgirl

I found the article very condescending to Palin. An example of the thinly disguised contempt:

Ms. Palin’s prism of God, Alaska and Country, in that order, obscures an irony. When 17-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears, Britney’s sister, shows up pregnant, it becomes one more example of permissiveness gone amok. But array those same circumstances over 17-year-old Bristol Palin, and it is received at the convention as one more example of steadfast prolife values.

They may be hinting at conservatives' hypocrisy by double standards, thus prompting the nutroots to develop that line of attack.

If you think that BDS (a.k.a. Bush Derangement Syndrome) is a nasty virus affecting the liberal left, you ain't seen nothing yet. PDS (i.e., Palin DS) will make BDS seem mild by contrast.

And it will last longer than BDS... much longer...

re: #89 Charles

I don't think I've ever seen so many robots crawling around LGF. This is nuts.

Is it time for "Repel all Boarders!" and "Ramming Speed!" ?

How Obama lost the election
By Spengler @ Atimes.com

Obama, in short, is long on brains and short on guts. A Shibboleth of American politics holds that different tactics are required to win the party primaries as opposed to the general election, that is, by pandering to fringe groups with disproportionate influence in the primaries. But Obama did not compromise himself with extreme positions. He did not have to, for younger voters who greeted him with near-religious fervor did not require that he take any position other than his promise to change everything. Obama could have allied with the old guard, through an Obama-Clinton ticket, or he could have rejected the old guard by choosing the closest thing the Democrats had to a Sarah Palin. But fear paralyzed him, and he did neither.

In my February 26 profile, I called Obama "the political equivalent of a sociopath", without any derogatory intent. A sociopath seeks the empathy of all around him while empathizing with no one. Obama has an almost magical ability to gain the confidence of those around him. Perhaps it was the adaptation of a bright and sensitive young boy who was abandoned by three parents - his Kenyan father Barack Obama Sr, who left his pregnant young bride; his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetero; and by his mother, Ann Dunham, who sent 10-year-old Obama to live with her parents while she pursued her career as an anthropologist.

Combine a child's response to serial abandonment with the perspective of an outsider, and Obama became an alien species against which American politics had no natural defenses. He is a Third World anthropologist profiling Americans, in but not of the American system. No country's politics depends more openly on friendships than America's, yet Obama has not a single real friend, for he rose so fast that all his acquaintances become rungs on the ladder of his ascent. One human relationship crowds the others out of his life, his marriage to Michelle, a strong, assertive and very angry woman.

If Novak's report is accurate, then Michelle's anger will have lost the election for Obama, as Achilles' anger nearly killed the Greek cause in the Trojan War. But the responsibility rests not with Michelle, but with Obama. Obama's failure of nerve at the cusp of his success is consistent with my profile of the candidate, in which I predicted that he would self-destruct. It's happening faster than I expected. As I wrote last February:

It is conceivable that Barack Obama, if elected, will destroy himself before he destroys the country. Hatred is a toxic diet even for someone with as strong a stomach as Obama ... Both Obama and the American public should be very careful of what they wish for. As the horrible example of Obama's father shows, there is nothing worse for an embittered outsider manipulating the system from within than to achieve his goals.

By all rights, the Democrats should win this election. They will lose, I predict, because of the flawed character of their candidate.

To the NYT, "Mrs." is a slur meaning that she rode in on her husband's back.

re: #105 victor_yugo

Or if they're looking for pr0n, it'd be the "OOLALA" loop.

My PIMF. . .

That should have been "OODA" loop, actually.

Ooda sounds like a pretty risque thing, if you ask me. . .

This is interesting-

Gallup poll - likely voters Sept. 3-5 2004:
Bush - 52%
Kerry - 45%

re: #104 realwest

I'm genuinely sorry to ask this question, but can you tell where the 'bots are from? Or, more specifically, who it is that's sending them crawling all over us (resists sudden urge to scratch back!)?

They are tax-collecting machines sent back in time by a future Obama administration to determine why the administration never happened.

/please ignore the continuity problems, it's the least you can do for Barry

re: #100 Dublin(CA)Dude
Hey my friend - glad to see you out here tonight! How are you doing this fine evening?

re: #104 realwest

Hey realwest, how are you healing up? Still in pain? I hope it has resided by now.

re: #92 looking closely

Maybe you should avoid the "free dictionary" like the plague. The fact that they neither conferred her appropriate title as Governor Palin or used Mrs. Palin says that their stylebook is bent whichever way their wind blows, and for them it always blows steady to port.

re: #121 realwest

Hey jcm! Are you kidding me? That's what got the media fools so "disgusted"?
Must all been only children!

LOL,

A little spit on the head is the LEAST siblings to to each other.....

One the boys came through the kitchen today with his garbage truck loaded up with Little People figures. Soylent Green!

re: #123 LittleGreenFavre

They may be hinting at conservatives' hypocrisy by double standards, thus prompting the nutroots to develop that line of attack.

If you think that BDS (a.k.a. Bush Derangement Syndrome) is a nasty virus affecting the liberal left, you ain't seen nothing yet. PDS (i.e., Palin DS) will make BDS seem mild by contrast.

And it will last longer than BDS... much longer...

Not that wrong. It'll be a death rattle.

re: #93 jaunte

I don't understand anyone who would wrinkle their nose at that. Pathetic, disconnected humanoids.

You don't remember your mom spitting on a napkin and wiping your face with it? That always made my nose wrinkle.
/s

re: #113 Cognito

Don't go changin', LGF commenters. Pick a crank and never stop turnin' it.

Ain't that that kinda like the pot calling the kettle black?

re: #27 FurryOldGuyJeans

MRS. Palin is just the person to hunt PC crap and shoot to kill.

I hope that VP Palin would spend her time on more important things. All major U.S. newspapers refer to adult women as Ms. regardless of their marital status. The Times was, in fact, one of the last to adopt this practice. You'll note that they also always refer to men as Mr., something other papers don't do. This results in locutions such as "Mr. bin Laden." .

re: #128 DesertSage
Hey Sage - on the prior thread, Charles reported that among LIKELY voters, McCain leads Obama 54%-44%!!

re: #113 Cognito

Huh, are we being to harsh on the NYT?

re: #136 Cartman

Ain't that that kinda like the pot calling the kettle black?

Love it!

/darned New York Times. They're stealin' our crank

re: #113 Cognito

Hey Cog!

Question - which is correct: Mrs. , Ms. , or Governor ?

Because it appears to me Ms is used as a dig. A quick glance revealed several articles written about "Senator Hillary Clinton".

The mainstream media got beat up by a small town American girl.

I absolutely frakin love it!

re: #52 nyc redneck

i bet frank rich is flung before he bails,

When Frank Rich got married, there is hope for everyone, and started moving from theater reviews to political onanism there were stories about a round of celebratory parties in the acting community. Critics do not expect love but Rich never had the respect of a Brooks Atkinson.

re: #138 realwest

Hey Sage - on the prior thread, Charles reported that among LIKELY voters, McCain leads Obama 54%-44%!!

I know. I was comparing that to where Bush was at this time 4 years ago.

re: #113 Cognito
Thanks Cognito! Glad you love it so much, must be why you keep coming back!

re: #24 looking closely

Ms. is a currently widely accepted (and politically correct) term for any adult female woman.

To many, "Mrs." is old-school fuddy-duddy territory.

I did a quick search of other articles written by this topic's writer, Jodi Kantor, and on the first three I read about Hillary Clinton, she was referred to as Senator Clinton or Mrs. Clinton. Never did I see a Ms.

re: #128 DesertSage

So 54-44 is likely voters for McCain? and Bush had the lead before? What was the poll ratio, was it still 1.5:1 Dems to Republicans or did they adjust it?

re: #141 Racer X

Hey Cog!

Question - which is correct: Mrs. , Ms. , or Governor ?

Because it appears to me Ms is used as a dig. A quick glance revealed several articles written about "Senator Hillary Clinton".

No, Ms. is not a dig.

It's just a stylistic default, and Gov. Palin have have even requested it. If they'd used 'Mrs.,' people could just as easily deride them for keeping her in her husband's shadow, blah blah blah.

Beware. The Big Liberal Media is reading the polls and realize that things have gotten so out of hand with their outrageous and obvious attempts to elect Obama that they are facing a backlash.

The Olberstooge/Tweety slight demotion, Andrea Mitchell changing her mind about Palin, and the NY Times quasi-puff piece allegedly on the way about the Palin's baby are an indication that the frontal assault was not working. They have not abandoned the field; this is merely a change in tactics.

Feels great while it lasts though :-)

re: #130 realwest

Hey Buddy, just bracing for tomorrow's adventure. Getting out here and posting is helping me get my head around some of what's going on.

re: #146 solomonpanting

facts are a lizards light sabre

Joke time:

Q: How many Obamatons does it take to screw in a light bulb

A: Light bulb jokes aren't funny.

Don't you know that incandescent light bulbs are a major contributor to Global Warming?

re: #146 solomonpanting

I did a quick search of other articles written by this topic's writer, Jodi Kantor, and on the first three I read about Hillary Clinton, she was referred to as Senator Clinton or Mrs. Clinton. Never did I see a Ms.

I saw the same thing.

Nah! What am I thinking, there is no media bias.

You guys are cracking me up. The modern gal in power often dislikes 'Mrs.' and requests otherwise.

/are you serious? Did you read this love letter?

About "Ms." vs. "Mrs." I'm a female executive. This question is pertinent. I ALWAYS address fellow female execs as Ms., simply because I don't want to presume. When I'm asked MY preference, my first reaction is Ms. Even though I am proudly, happily married to my Mr. for 27 years. I don't find Ms. objectionable. I find it neutral. Any thoughts from other fems?

re: #146 solomonpanting

I did a quick search of other articles written by this topic's writer, Jodi Kantor, and on the first three I read about Hillary Clinton, she was referred to as Senator Clinton or Mrs. Clinton. Never did I see a Ms.

That is because she is a Dem, and one of the Ruling Elite. The NYT won't deign to sully their newsprint by treating Governor Palin with any respect, overt or subtle.

re: #139 Celtic Templar

Huh, are we being to harsh on the NYT?

Since they like to confer "little people" titles like Mr. and Ms. on presidents, governors, senators and such, I really don't think there's any chance that we could possibly be too harsh on them.

The old gray lady has more leaks than the Titanic. She's going down in a hurry.

re: #144 DesertSage
Ooops! My bad, didn't read your comment as slowley as I should have!

re: #68 Racer X

How do they refer to Hillary? Ms Clinton?

Couldn't swear since I no longer read the fishwrap.

re: #149 DaMav

They're cleaning house, so watch for more subliminal tactics. Be sure they will point to their attempt to fix "a few" of their reporters' bias.

re: #143 lifeofthemind

mark simone has him on a lot (wabc radio).
i can't stand the weasel, he is such a panty waist leftist.

re: #149 DaMav

Beware. The Big Liberal Media is reading the polls and realize that things have gotten so out of hand with their outrageous and obvious attempts to elect Obama that they are facing a backlash.

The Olberstooge/Tweety slight demotion, Andrea Mitchell changing her mind about Palin, and the NY Times quasi-puff piece allegedly on the way about the Palin's baby are an indication that the frontal assault was not working. They have not abandoned the field; this is merely a change in tactics.

Feels great while it lasts though :-)

That kind of clumsy abandonment only makes them look embittered and confused. It does nothing to provide salvation to their ruined reputation.

re: #150 Dublin(CA)Dude
Well there sure is a LOT for you to get your head around! LOL!
Good luck tomorrow my friend!

re: #114 twincitiesgirl

from:
The Media Equation
Drawing a Bead on the Press

Did anyone see 60 Minutes tonight? Any opinion on the Woodward interview?
I downloaded the podcast, but have not checked it out yet. I am guessing that it is not a good portrayal of W.

I'm waiting for Obiemessiah to talk shit about McCain's POW time.

the scene: an interview, somewhere in the next three weeks

Obama: "You know, these kinds of attacks on my, uh, on my community organizing are unfair... I don't love this country any less than a guy like John McCain. The other side, they have this, this idea where just because a guy got locked in a prison cell for a couple of years, that somehow he's got a better idea of what the country needs... I mean, thousands of young men are locked away unfairly by our unjust system for crimes they didn't commit and they don't claim that ah, they should run for President"

New York Times: "We're big fans of LGF commenters."

LGF commenters: "They didn't use an exclamation point."

/oh man, oh man, this is a real eye-opener for me. Love it.

re: #160 Celtic Templar

They're cleaning house, so watch for more subliminal tactics. Be sure they will point to their attempt to fix "a few" of their reporters' bias.

Or do like CNN/MSNBC have been doing of late; ask the question is there Liberal Bias, answer in the affirmative, and then do nothing to correct the bias and continue doing the same as before.

re: #154 Cognito

You guys are cracking me up. The modern gal in power often dislikes 'Mrs.' and requests otherwise.

/are you serious? Did you read this love letter?

Well, ya gotta understand that a lot of us are just gun-totin', bible- clingin' rubes. Please translate for us, if y'all'd be so obligin'.

re: #147 Celtic Templar

So 54-44 is likely voters for McCain? and Bush had the lead before? What was the poll ratio, was it still 1.5:1 Dems to Republicans or did they adjust it?

I don't know, I'm gonna have to research it some more.

re: #148 Cognito

Thanks for the clarification.

How 'bout with Barry? Is it "Dreamboat Senator" , "Lord Obama" , or "His O-liness" ?

LOL!

Someone up thread called it "Mom spit"...in my family it was known as "Mother's Magic Formula".

The other two governors referenced in the article (Lingle, Perry) were both granted the title Gov.

It's not a stylistic preference and it's not an oversight.

The critical undertone is indeed subtle, but it's there. She's sneaky, she's deceptive, she's (gasp!) ambitious. Her doctor couldn't be reached for comment. It's certainly not as bad as I was expecting, but I wouldn't give them too much credit for that. That would just be, um, the soft bigotry of low expectations.

re: #155 Russkilitlover

About "Ms." vs. "Mrs." I'm a female executive. This question is pertinent. I ALWAYS address fellow female execs as Ms., simply because I don't want to presume. When I'm asked MY preference, my first reaction is Ms. Even though I am proudly, happily married to my Mr. for 27 years. I don't find Ms. objectionable. I find it neutral. Any thoughts from other fems?

Here in the states (probably many other cultures as well), it's neutral.

re: #123 LittleGreenFavre

They may be hinting at conservatives' hypocrisy by double standards, thus prompting the nutroots to develop that line of attack.

MAY be a hinting?
That's exactly what it is.
EG: The Conservatives think Jamie Lynn Spears is a tramp, but Bristol is a troubled young woman.

The difference (apart from Spears getting knocked up when 16, not 17) bluntly, is that Spears older sister was a lunatic, flashing her privates in public, abusing substances, aving a one-day marriage and quickie annulment, and performing other crazy acts in her mid-20s, leading to reasonable questioning of her judgment. Both Spears are celebrities, inviting public scrutiny into their lives. If Britney were otherwise normal, little attention would have been focused on Jamie Lynn's pregnancy.

But even if its true that the Conservatives are hypocritical here, I don't see how this is going to bite Palin.

re: #167 Cognito

If the NYT was like LGF I might buy a subscription. And I live in TN!

Since the NYT isn't greasin Obama's skids today, what do you think the One and his Crew are likely to do to try to regain traction? Either they let it all ride on the McCain-Obama debates, or they try a new tack. The meeting with WJC this morning could be auspicious.

re: #167 Cognito

New York Times: "We're big fans of LGF commenters."

LGF commenters: "They didn't use an exclamation point."

/oh man, oh man, this is a real eye-opener for me. Love it.

Ooh, we sound like better editors than what they got at the NYT, huh?

re: #154 Cognito

Did you read this love letter?

Huh? I read it. Not seeing the love.

REMEMBER it goes with the whole Mayor (small town) Palin meme that obama used

you can't call her Gov'r Palin that would give her more status the jr. sen obama.

re: #180 yochanan

Great Observation.

re: #180 yochanan

REMEMBER it goes with the whole Mayor (small town) Palin meme that obama used

you can't call her Gov'r Palin that would give her more status the jr. sen obama.

He is the Holy Messiah! And don't you forget it!

////

re: #172 SummerSong

Someone up thread called it "Mom spit"...in my family it was known as "Mother's Magic Formula".

I've heard it called "Alaskan Hair Gel".

:')

re: #167 Cognito

you need lots of eye opening

re: #173 Lynn B.

Exactly--this from the NYT:

Her cultural resonance is familiar to anyone who’s ever read a fashion makeover article or clipped “Lose the Baby Fat in a Month!” But it is fundamentally different from what we’ve come to expect from women running for higher office. Senator Clinton is a politician who also happens to be a wife and mother. Ms. Palin is a wife and mother who also happens to be a politician.

OT

Going 4 wheelin' in the Obama era.

re: #184 Shug

Ha ha! Love it!

/my word, this is freeing.

re: #167 Cognito

New York Times: "We're big fans of LGF commenters."

LGF commenters: "They didn't use an exclamation point."

/oh man, oh man, this is a real eye-opener for me. Love it.

Your attempted whitewash of the media's (and the NYT's) dirty laundry tricks sure ain't working.

The Fish Fight Back!

Flying Fish Breaks Arkansas Teen's Jaw

I am siding with Cognito on this one. This is a puffy article considering it is the NYT and the subject is a Republican.

The press is going to play nice for a few days to try to paper over what has been a pretty glaring period of partisan support on their part over the last few months with the crescendo being the pre convention Palin witch hunt. The MSNBC change is a different example of the same change

This is not because of some ethical catharsis, though. They see the Rasmussen numbers as a reality that they must deal with or be dealt out. And William Safire had a great oped today on how deep in the tank the press has been and how much it has harmed Obama as a result.

But the new treatment won't last long - a week or two is my guess. If the poll numbers still have McCain ahead 10 days from now it will go back to normal.

re: #63 Russkilitlover

And how long did the MSM refer to PRESIDENT Bush as "Mr. Bush," all the while reverently referring to President Clinton? It's par for the course. The left is into titles, however false they may be (community organizer?). It's a way to belittle, subtle, and I've seen it A LOT in business. Kinda kin to referring to a female executive as "little lady."

This is ridiculous. Look at this article. Clinton is referred to as "former President Bill Clinton" once at the top of the article and as "Mr. Clinton" in each separate reference to him.

Why not spend a minute of two looking at what they actually do before spouting off about it?

re: #188 FurryOldGuyJeans

Fantastic. Keep exposing 'em to be the dirty animals they are.

re: #183 DesertSage

I've heard it called "Alaskan Hair Gel".

:')

Given what Hollywood has proposed for hair gel ("There's Something About Mary"), I'd say spit is a big step up.

Besides, men used to use it frequently as a cowlick cure. And the "spit curl" didn't get its name by coincidence.

re: #180 yochanan
Excellent post my friend, though I'm sure LGF reader Cognito wouldn't agree with you.

re: #192 Cognito

Fantastic. Keep exposing 'em to be the dirty animals they are.

Only biased; not dirty animals. But then you are great at attempting to derail threads.

re: #187 Cognito

Ha ha! Love it!

/my word, this is freeing.

You're serious?

Love letter? Jeez, I would hate to see their "Dear John" letter.

re: #194 realwest

Excellent post my friend, though I'm sure LGF reader Cognito wouldn't agree with you.

Inconvenient, then, isn't it, that I made the exact same point just a couple of days ago?

/facts are hard

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

Here in the states (probably many other cultures as well), it's neutral.

Btw....I am IN "the states." LOL!

re: #195 FurryOldGuyJeans

Heck yes. Get on it, man.

Here’s that New York Times article on Sarah Palin’s baby—and you’re going to be surprised, because far from the “exposé” that Drudge was trumpeting, it turns out to be ... a puff piece:

Wait -- so all our speculation was for naught?

Matt Drudge, I place a voodoo curse on you! May you lose several percentage points of credibility until you make amends with unrelenting accuracy! If you still have that in you!

re: #185 twincitiesgirl

Exactly--this from the NYT:

I shouldn't be shocked at the hypocrisy but, you know, somehow I never seem to get used to it. Not holding my breath for their devoted readers to call them on it, though.

re: #191 JustMyView

This is ridiculous. Look at this article. Clinton is referred to as "former President Bill Clinton" once at the top of the article and as "Mr. Clinton" in each separate reference to him.

Why not spend a minute of two looking at what they actually do before spouting off about it?

You haven't been paying attention for the last EIGHT FRIGGIN' YEARS! Don't tell me about spouting off. I won't accept your MSM appeasement.

Ok, I read the whole thing. I have to agree, it's mostly a love letter. But the bit about how she should have gone to a hospital is sorta stuck in there, fairly out of place:

A woman with symptoms like Ms. Palin’s should be examined to determine her condition, said Dr. Laura Riley of Massachusetts General Hospital. The long trip home could have posed a risk, “but the odds were still in her favor that everything would be O.K.," said Dr. Susan E. Gerber of Northwestern University.

That sticks out like a sore thumb. The rest of the article has nothing like that in it.

re: #190 karmic_inquisitor

This is a puffy article considering it is the NYT and the subject is a Republican.

Interesting.

It's "puffy" because everyone expected the NYT to just trash her. When they didn't, it became a love letter.

re: #200 zombie
Heh!

Matt Drudge, I place a voodoo curse on you! May you lose several percentage points of credibility until you make amends with unrelenting accuracy!

Uh, is it possible to go into negative territory on percentage points of credibility?
Just saying, this isn't the first time (and I'm sure it won't be the last) that Drudge has either been mislead or intentionally misled his readers with a "developing" headline!

re: #189 Racer X

The Fish Fight Back!

Flying Fish Breaks Arkansas Teen's Jaw

Caught a program on invasive animal species while channel-surfing the other day. Asian carp are apparently a big problem in the midwestern rivers. They've developed a trick to help count them, where they lightly electrify the water to make them jump, and they come up by the hundreds. Crazy stuff.

re: #148 Cognito

No, Ms. is not a dig.

It's just a stylistic default, and Gov. Palin have have even requested it. If they'd used 'Mrs.,' people could just as easily deride them for keeping her in her husband's shadow, blah blah blah.

I actually agree with you.

But let's not start sucking each other's straws just yet.

Check out this recent article by the same writer.

Mrs. Clinton’s recent candidacy was a moment of reckoning for women of her generation, who treated her run as a mirror in which to examine their own lives. With Ms. Palin’s entry into the field...

Why the discrepancy?

I think I'll write a poem and call it "Cognito's Ass".

Sorry dude(ette), but you've deserved it in more places than here.

re: #191 JustMyView

Beyond the nitpicking, the play is obvious. They're in deep sh&t as far as ratings, presidential polls and overall public opinion. This is not to fix it, but to create an argument that they can use later that they are objective.

It's obvious to me. If I'm wrong, then I'll be shocked and admit it to anyone who gives a crap.

i hope these msm hacks keep running stories abt. a 5 mo. old little innocent baby w/ downs syndrome.
the american public is wondering why he is the focus instead of bill ayers, rev wright, pflager, rezko, powers, and all the other disgusting bums who obama has chosen as friends and cohorts.

re: #198 Russkilitlover

Btw....I am IN "the states." LOL!

I figured as much, with your "ms. as neutral" stance. I sometimes like to use that "here in the states" qualifier since there are many other Lizards that live in different countries/cultures where customs like using Ms. vs. Mrs. may be very different than ours.

re: #171 Racer X

Thanks for the clarification.

How 'bout with Barry? Is it "Dreamboat Senator" , "Lord Obama" , or "His O-liness" ?

LOL!

Lord0bama
0beymesseiah
0borg
The big 0.

I like The Big 0™

The Mom spit was a "you might be a redneck guy"
Mom spit could take the rust off a chrome bumper
Jeff Foxworthy

Man this thread is degenerating fast.

if a woman who doesn't have a earned title like DR., SEN. GOV'R, OR PRESIDENT than calling her MS. would be ok as long as that is the case. BUT if she has earned the title than it would be wrong not to use it esp if it can be shown that the paper had used such titles in the past as is the case with Sen. Clinton it is even noted that they called her mrs clinton as well

re: #209 really grumpy big dog Johnson Hey really grumpy! I woulnd't waste my time if I were you; it'd just give him something else with which to derail a thread.
Well, unless of course Charles gives your poem a thread of it's own.

Re: Ms. vs. Gov. and Mrs.

A search on the NYT website reveals they also use Ms. when referring to Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi. They use Mrs. when referring to Hillary. I don't know why. Obama, McCain, Romney are Mr.

re: #208 solomonpanting

Check out this recent article by the same writer.

Mrs. Clinton’s recent candidacy was a moment of reckoning for women of her generation, who treated her run as a mirror in which to examine their own lives. With Ms. Palin’s entry into the field...

Why the discrepancy?

Shhhh! Quit trying to obfuscate and confuse the media defenders with facts.

re: #209 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Don't delay. I can't wait to read it.

re: #218 merrytexas

Re: Ms. vs. Gov. and Mrs.

A search on the NYT website reveals they also use Ms. when referring to Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi. They use Mrs. when referring to Hillary. I don't know why. Obama, McCain, Romney are Mr.

Helps reinforce that she (Mrs. Clinton) and the mister have a great healthy marriage?

OK I am not usually in the business of siding with Cognito, but ...

This is the NYT.

We KNOW that they are actually a fairly sloppy news organization when they rush something to print.

Does anyone doubt that a puff piece on Palin was rushed to print? Do you think they had a nice article on her (or any other conservative still breathing ) in the can?

Don't expect any sort of consistency with past use of titles, salutations, or any contextualization here. This was rushed to print as a reaction to what has become obvious -- they've been caught with their hands in the cookie jar and now they are being extra nice till folks stop paying attention.

re: #125 loup-garou

From the linked article, I called this MONTHS AGO (see bolded parts):

In my February 26 profile, I called Obama "the political equivalent of a sociopath", without any derogatory intent. A sociopath seeks the empathy of all around him while empathizing with no one. Obama has an almost magical ability to gain the confidence of those around him. Perhaps it was the adaptation of a bright and sensitive young boy who was abandoned by three parents - his Kenyan father Barack Obama Sr, who left his pregnant young bride; his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetero; and by his mother, Ann Dunham, who sent 10-year-old Obama to live with her parents while she pursued her career as an anthropologist.

Combine a child's response to serial abandonment with the perspective of an outsider, and Obama became an alien species against which American politics had no natural defenses. He is a Third World anthropologist profiling Americans, in but not of the American system. No country's politics depends more openly on friendships than America's, yet Obama has not a single real friend, for he rose so fast that all his acquaintances become rungs on the ladder of his ascent. One human relationship crowds the others out of his life, his marriage to Michelle, a strong, assertive and very angry woman.

DADDY ISSUES,
DADDY ISSUES,
DADDY ISSUES.

Michelle, Rev. Wright, Ayers, Soros, Biden, DADDIES ALL.

Daddy, tell me what to do! Daddy, show me who I am! Daddy, please help me.

Daddy?

re: #204 Racer X

Interesting.

It's "puffy" because everyone expected the NYT to just trash her. When they didn't, it became a love letter.

Yep.

re: #219 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, hahaha!

Indeed. Those must be the facts, I guess.

/never mind actual facts, much less understanding

re: #161 nyc redneck

mark simone has him on a lot (wabc radio).
i can't stand the weasel, he is such a panty waist leftist.

Some lucky girl married him.

re: #220 Cognito

Don't delay. I can't wait to read it.

Grumpy - please leave out the straws though, m'kay?

re: #209 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I think I'll write a poem and call it "Cognito's Ass".

Sorry dude(ette), but you've deserved it in more places than here.

I think that "Mrs." does denote that you are part and parcel of a married team. No one could refer to "Ms." Clinton, because Chelsea can claim that title, as well. "Mrs." Clinton clearly makes her one-half of the "Clinton" meme.

Ms. vs. Mrs. is a debate I don't believe is worth getting all het up about.

re: #173 Lynn B.

The other two governors referenced in the article (Lingle, Perry) were both granted the title Gov.

It's not a stylistic preference and it's not an oversight.

The critical undertone is indeed subtle, but it's there. She's sneaky, she's deceptive, she's (gasp!) ambitious. Her doctor couldn't be reached for comment. It's certainly not as bad as I was expecting, but I wouldn't give them too much credit for that. That would just be, um, the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Palin is referred to as "Gov Palin" in the caption of the accompanying photograph, as well as indirectly as Governor in the third paragraph of the article. By my read, the usual NYT style is to refer to the elected title once the first time, then subsequently "Mr" "Mrs" or "Ms".

So this does appear to be a deviation from the usual style. Again, I agree she should be referred to as Governor Palin, if not throughout, at least once at the head of the article. The Obama camp (and that clearly includes the NYT) really doesn't like to refer to her by her proper elected title.

But there is nothing whatever wrong with "Ms. Palin" per se. Lots of women prefer that formulation, and its the modern default lacking direction to the contrary.

As already mentioned, its Ms. Rice, in the NYT. Its also Ms. Boxer so you can't say this is purely a party-based naming.

In contrast, we have Mrs. Clinton, Mrs. Feinstein, and Mrs. Merkel (German Chancellor).

re: #222 karmic_inquisitor

OK I am not usually in the business of siding with Cognito, but ...

This is the NYT.

We KNOW that they are actually a fairly sloppy news organization when they rush something to print.

Does anyone doubt that a puff piece on Palin was rushed to print? Do you think they had a nice article on her (or any other conservative still breathing ) in the can?

Don't expect any sort of consistency with past use of titles, salutations, or any contextualization here. This was rushed to print as a reaction to what has become obvious -- they've been caught with their hands in the cookie jar and now they are being extra nice till folks stop paying attention.

You mean we can't criticize the NYT? Wouldn't that criticism expose the "rushedness" of the article, leading the dear reader to ask the question, why was it rushed?

re: #222 karmic_inquisitor

OK I am not usually in the business of siding with Cognito, but ...

This is the NYT.

We KNOW that they are actually a fairly sloppy news organization when they rush something to print.

Does anyone doubt that a puff piece on Palin was rushed to print? Do you think they had a nice article on her (or any other conservative still breathing ) in the can?

Don't expect any sort of consistency with past use of titles, salutations, or any contextualization here. This was rushed to print as a reaction to what has become obvious -- they've been caught with their hands in the cookie jar and now they are being extra nice till folks stop paying attention.

Frankly the title/salutation the NYT uses is not what I take issue with in the article. The subtly condescending and snide tone of the entire piece is what I find offensive.

re: #228 Russkilitlover

Ms. vs. Mrs. is a debate I don't believe is worth getting all het up about.

I think it's absolutely revealing. And frankly a bit of a relief for me, in some unexpected way.

But the good news is, if this is all they can come up with, it may be that the SSS (Sarah Scandal Season) is over. No longer will we have to endure the MSM's "Palin Family Vagina Dialogues," in which every Palin female's private parts becomes subject to public analysis. Seriously. In the last week, I've seen discussion of: when Sarah's water broke when pregnant with Trig; was fluid pouring down her leg in public; what date Bristol must have had sex with her boyfriend in order to be such-and-such months pregnant now; when Willow got her first period, and did she commit incest -- all surrounding insane speculations about who was the mother of what baby. Never in the history of this country has a campaign been both so juvenile and so invasive. This will certainly go down in history and be analyzed for decades.

re: #226 lifeofthemind

Some lucky girl married him.

she knew the bargain

re: #228 Russkilitlover

I think that "Mrs." does denote that you are part and parcel of a married team. No one could refer to "Ms." Clinton, because Chelsea can claim that title, as well. "Mrs." Clinton clearly makes her one-half of the "Clinton" meme.

Ms. vs. Mrs. is a debate I don't believe is worth getting all het up about.

Oops! Sorry Really Grumpy, I meant to reply to #208!

WaMu's woes claim CEO Killinger

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As of Thursday, the board of directors apparently had enough.

Killinger, 59, has been ousted as chief executive of the company he has run since 1990, The Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site Sunday night. The company did not confirm the report.

re: #228 Russkilitlover

Ms. vs. Mrs. is a debate I don't believe is worth getting all het up about.

Uncle!

re: #233 zombie

This will certainly go down in history and be analyzed for decades.

Lordy, I hope not...

Oh fer ...

As she left the podium, Gov. Rick Perry of Texas joked, “You’re not going to give birth, are you?”

Ms. Palin just laughed.

“Nobody knew a thing,” said Gov. Linda Lingle of Hawaii. “I only found out from my security detail on the way home that she had gone into labor and that she had gone home to Alaska.”

In fact, Ms. Palin was not in labor,

Is there really any further discussion necessary?

re: #208 solomonpanting
Hey my friend, to be very honest and accurate, the article starts by calling her Govenor then drifts off into Ms.
What I found more interesting was this " But Mrs. Clinton and Ms. Ferraro". Did Geraldine Ferraro get a divorce? I mean, my Dad (Rip) has been dead for about 8 years now and my mom still insists on being called Mrs. Realwest, so if Gerry's husband had died I'd a thought it would have read Mrs. Clinton and Mrs. Ferraro?
Anyway, nits and gnats. At least they called her Governor Palin the first time they spoke about her.

re: #239 Lynn B.

Oh fer ...

Is there really any further discussion necessary?

Thankfully not.

My God, on ABC right now, Jessica Simpson is actually leading US Troops in singing "God Bless America". She called it a "prayer" when she first heard it sung by US Troops in Iraq.

ABC is gonna pay hell for this on the left. I can't wait to see the Daily Kos kids and the idoits over at the Puffington Host respond to this show, it's just incredible.

If anyone of us on the west coast has your tv on, you need to see this show.

Yikes, the Dalibama is advertising on the show, declaring his support of the troops, and promising all of them mental help when they return. Of course, in his mind, they are victims, not heros.

re: #233 zombie

But the good news is, if this is all they can come up with, it may be that the SSS (Sarah Scandal Season) is over. No longer will we have to endure the MSM's "Palin Family Vagina Dialogues," in which every Palin female's private parts becomes subject to public analysis. Seriously. In the last week, I've seen discussion of: when Sarah's water broke when pregnant with Trig; was fluid pouring down her leg in public; what date Bristol must have had sex with her boyfriend in order to be such-and-such months pregnant now; when Willow got her first period, and did she commit incest -- all surrounding insane speculations about who was the mother of what baby. Never in the history of this country has a campaign been both so juvenile and so invasive. This will certainly go down in history and be analyzed for decades.

All true, but I bet it stops here. I think they'll talk about badass she was as vice president, and then as president.

Carly Fiorina is almost always referred to in the media as Mrs. Fiorina, and this was the official honorific she used at Hewlett Packard. Doesn't always seem to be much rhyme or reason to it.

re: #176 kuffar

If the NYT was like LGF I might buy a subscription. And I live in TN!

Subscribe to the NY Sun. They need the help and they are the best.

re: #222 karmic_inquisitor

This less flattering piece was published the same day by the NYT:

Drawing a Bead on the Press

re: #239 Lynn B.

Stop it now - you're getting Cognito's leg all tingly!

re: #239 Lynn B.

Oh fer ...

Is there really any further discussion necessary?

Let the obfuscation begin.

re: #233 zombie

As disgusting and tacky as it has been, I don't want it to just go away. It has been one of the most revealing weeks of journalism in years. Noone can't doubt the pro Obama stance. And anyone who has been mesmerized by the Obama, it may be the red pill - but not all have had the opportunity to take it.

re: #237 Racer X

Uncle!

U.N.K.L.E.!

re: #238 rawmuse

Lordy, I hope not...

You're right. Enough already. The piece isn't worth all this angst.

'Night all.

re: #228 Russkilitlover

Ms. vs. Mrs. is a debate I don't believe is worth getting all het up about.

Where's Mandy? What does she think about it?

re: #252 cliffster

Where's Mandy? What does she think about it?

Whack!

re: #239 Lynn B.

Oh fer ...

Is there really any further discussion necessary?

Do you understand why they did it that way?

/do you want to?

re: #223 Pawn of the Oppressor

Paging Dr. Phil! Where, oh, where is Dr. Phil when you need him.

LOL! Spot on Mr/Ms/Mrs/Miss Oppressor!

re: #241 Shug

Thankfully not.

It's imperative the public know the exact time of onset of labor, the duration, number of contractions, every utterance of Ms. Palin. The public needs this information in order to properly make a judgement on the person who may be one heart beat away from the presidency.
/MSM

re: #153 Racer X

I saw the same thing.

Nah! What am I thinking, there is no media bias.

It may be that, because they write about Hillary so often, they have asked how she would like to be referred to. If you look at a sample of articles, you'll see that their default seems to be Ms. In about half a dozen other articles, I didn't find any other uses of Mrs.

Since Palin refused to talk to these reporters, they would not have been able to ask her about her preferences.

The original reason for using "Ms." rather than "Mrs." was to elimnate references to marital status in professional settings.

I seem to remember the appearance of articles critical of John Kerry's campaign even before he lost the election. I remember reading a Newsweek or a Time (gimme a break, I was in a doctor's office) written from "behind the scenes" describing what a pathetic, mis-managed mess it was... The part that stood out for me was Kerry getting right on the cell phone after every bit of campaign news broke, asking people how he should react, and that the campaign manager (I believe he was on his second or third one at this point) finally confiscated his cell phone (!).

I don't think we're going to get any real behind-the-scenes from Messiah Zero's campaign. There is too much big money involved, and too many secrets of Democrat media strategy that need to be kept hidden. Soros won't let anybody know how he spends those billions, or who he buys with them.