We're succeeding because they are not in charge.

Hey, Joe? The villages called. They want their idiot back.

Somebody get this guy some meds!

What a jackass

Driving a 20 ton vehicle while drunk?

Oh. That's a different suggestion...

ole joe is a political hack and nothing more.

One word: liar!

So elect Obama/Biden and begin the retreat NOW!

/not

re: #3 DVAPREZ

Somebody get this guy some meds!

Or have him cut back on whatever he is taking

What a jerk! Obama and Biden both vehemently opposed the surge and would sell out our soldiers, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the US, this day if they were only installed in office. Despicable liars is the words I would describe them with.

Did he take a nasty blow to head?

Joe, STFU & STFD. You are just showing your ass.

So Joe sits there with Brokaw and argues against the surge - while Brokaw points out to him its success - and then says that the only reason the surge was successful is because everyone followed his advice?

Oh yeah, he's going to be ground into pulp by Gov Palin in their one debate.

When reality doesn't match with their talking points, they just change their talking points. What hypocrites.

Biden...I wrote that plan before I voted it down.

hmmmmm. My employer's firewall blocks the linky. But I can imagine what the Dem's contribution to presidential ticket gravitas has to say.

BTW - one of my sources thinks that the Obamassiah picked Biden because Biden would not threaten any space within the limelight.

I watched that gasbag on MTP yesterday. What a tool.

I cannot wait for him to debate Sarah Barracuda!

And is it me or does he have the same terrible plastic surgeon as Nancy Pelosi?

Funny, I thought Biden wanted to split up Iraq into a Shi'ite state, a Sunni state, a Kurdish state, etc.

re: #14 Sharmuta

When reality doesn't match with their talking points, they just change their talking points. What hypocrites.

That or just insert a new reality more friendly to their views.

An ego so big that it can simultaneously believe his own rejected proposal is the one responsible for success in Iraq!

My head hurts.

re: #13 Intrepid

She should challenge him to a series of debates. How could he turn it down?

re: #14 Sharmuta

When reality doesn't match with their talking points, they just change their talking points. What hypocrites.

And their lackeys in the media just go along with it and demonize John McCain and Sarah Palin because they are 'another Bush'.

re: #18 Kosh's Shadow

Funny, I thought Biden wanted to split up Iraq into a Shi'ite state, a Sunni state, a Kurdish state, etc.

That was the Biden Plan...

re: #2 MandyManners

Hey, Joe? The villages called. They want their idiot back.

I take it you're the angry kind of drunk yourself? ;-)

Next, he'll take credit for beating up John McCain.

I'd say he was a pontificating, wheezing, bald, gasbag, but that would be an insult to the gasbags.

I saw Biden on Meet the Press. Tom Brokaw deserves some credit for giving him a tough interview. Clearly, they are going to say they were right and Bush was wrong. Biden made a point of saying that they are on Obama's timeline now-and Brokaw interrupted him and said it was the surge that only McCain was for which brought about the timeline.

They spoke briefly about Biden's plan to divide Iraq into three states, and Biden said that is essentially what was being done.

The Senator gave a good accounting for himself. The weakness in the Obama foreign policy were exposed. Look for the Dems to run hard on the economy.
It's all they have left. However, every American knows that entitlements is not the answer.

McCain can go for the jugular and he knows it. The sharks smell blood.

Saw this. I was shocked. Couple this with Obama's "McCain wants to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" crap on Fox News. What are they trying to pull?

re: #17 loppyd

Sarah Barracuda!

omg! lol!

Obama will be looking for a reason to cut ol Joe and hire Hillary....

Hey Biden, weren't you the clown who said we needed to partition Iraq into three countries?

Biden is just doing what a lot of pols have always done. They wait to see which way the parade is going, then they run to get in front of it.

re: #18 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, that was Biden, and the Iraqis remember him for it. With all the fondness he so richly deserves for such a plan.

(Obama's reachin' out...)

Ever time a Democrat speaks, it just confirms to me that their ticket on the reality train was intentionally thrown away.

re: #18 Kosh's Shadow

Funny, I thought Biden wanted to split up Iraq into a Shi'ite state, a Sunni state, a Kurdish state, etc.

Yep, and when he was first announced as Obama's running mate, there were a few articles written by Iraqi government types stating that they are unified in the fact that no one in Iraq wants Joe Biden to become VP because of his partition nonsense.

Buyer's remorse Biden, the gift that keeps on giving.......

What? This walking advertisement for Hair Club for Men is now trying to claim that he had the mental acuity to suggest the Surge? Was he not standing behind Harry Reid when he mad his comment about the war being lost?
What a shameless dickhead scumbag....he probably copied this off of someone else's speech and is trying to claim this as his own.

'They're Finally Doing What I Suggested'

What, they've divided the country up into three ethnically segregated parts?

I believe that was what Joe suggested, wasn't it?

re: #27 pittrader1988

Look for the Dems to run hard on the economy.

I think 3-wood was just telling us the stock market is up.
Darn the luck!

Har de Har Har!™

re: #16 unreconstructed rebel

hmmmmm. My employer's firewall blocks the linky. But I can imagine what the Dem's contribution to presidential ticket gravitas has to say.

BTW - one of my sources thinks that the Obamassiah picked Biden because Biden would not threaten any space within the limelight.

Obama did not pick Biden, the DNC did and Obama went for it. Uninspired change is the message the American voters are from the Obama camp. Meanwhile McCain picks an inspiring Palin, and delivers a sincere speech that even changed my mind about McCain. What a campaign!
/Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard!

re: #17 loppyd

I watched that gasbag on MTP yesterday. What a tool.

I cannot wait for him to debate Sarah Barracuda!

And is it me or does he have the same terrible plastic surgeon as Nancy Pelosi?

I watched MTP also yesterday...For a minute i thought i had comedy central on..

Biden is such a dull tool.

It seem the video was posted on youtube by a lefty. He added some commentary.

re: #29 J.D.

omg! lol!

Heart may have sent a cease & desist letter to the RNC & McCain, but they didn't send one to me.....

I dunno ... this seems to back up the "average Joe" part of the pick.

This comment appears to be exactly -- pro or anti ticket -- what all the "pundits" have been waiting for.

Pro-Biden: "Yeah, Joe can certainly come up with some gaffes, but his overall experience ..."

Anti-Biden: "What a doofus"

There seems to be no conflict here. Perhaps we should just unite?

I went to the KRLA panel last night with Hewitt, Meved, & Prager.
Michael made the point that he is more comfortable with Obama than Bide; Obama is untested, while Biden has been tested, repeatedly, and been wrong everytime.
On SDI missle defense, on the first gulf war, on the surge, on partitioning Iraq, etc.

Watched the video up to the first point where Biden said "they did what I suggested" then couldn't take it any more. BTW, this guy looks older than McCain! Ha.

And of course the Obama/Biden camp is going to take credit for the success. "See, it makes sense to pull out of Iraq now".

re: #21 jaunte

She should challenge him to a series of debates. How could he turn it down?

Boy I'd sure love that. All she would have to do is give a short opening statement, and then let Joe answer every question. By the end of the night, he will have defeated himself soundly.

re: #24 Edgar

I take it you're the angry kind of drunk yourself? ;-)

What an interesting assumption.

re: #43 gymnast

Biden is such a dull tool.

Now, now, Dull tools have some use.

Don't be insulting dull tools by comparing them to Biden.

We're succeeding because they are not in charge.

Not only that, actually the democrats were working AGAINST the surge, including Senator Biden's NO VOTE for the surge.

The hole the democrats have dug for themselves is getting larger.

re: #45 loppyd

Heart may have sent a cease & desist letter to the RNC & McCain, but they didn't send one to me.....

Same here!

Smokin' Joe--It's time to put the crack pipe down, or at least give it back to Diddy...

re: #31 looking closely

Hey Biden, weren't you the clown who said we needed to partition Iraq into three countries?

Remeber it is all important for Obama to lose the election so that the Hildabeast can run in 2012. I can see her salivating at the prospect. It's an unsavory mental image.

re: #51 MandyManners

What an interesting assumption.

Must have been all the "piss up a rope" comments.

re: #41 LoFlyer

Obama did not pick Biden, the DNC did and Obama went for it. Uninspired change is the message the American voters are from the Obama camp. Meanwhile McCain picks an inspiring Palin, and delivers a sincere speech that even changed my mind about McCain. What a campaign!
/Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard!

Somebody on another thread commented that Obama let his advisors do the picking and just voted "present".

Whoever said that ... is smart.
And funny.

re: #41 LoFlyer

Yup. The Republicans have nothing to fear from Obama, but the Democrats have everything to fear from Palin.

I gotta give the old fox credit. Now I am firmly behind McCain. Enough so to send along cash-money.

re: #55 twincitiesgirl

Smokin' Joe--It's time to put the crack pipe down, or at least give it back to Diddy...

LOL. biden's buggin'.

re: #42 HoosierHoops

I watched MTP also yesterday...For a minute i thought i had comedy central on..

I lost track of how many times he said "the fact of the matter is...."

The Audacity of chutzpah.

The ego, the gall, the chutzpah that exists on the left is utterly breathtaking.

So the democrats can spend years back-stabbing the war effort, then when signs of success appear - they turn on a dime and grab all the credit.
Disgusting. and the DNC media lets them.

re: #57 Edgar

Must have been all the "piss up a rope" comments.

Oh, my. What soft, shiny scales you have!

When the legend becomes fact; print the legend.

-The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

re: #28 Basho

Saw this. I was shocked. Couple this with Obama's "McCain wants to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" crap on Fox News. What are they trying to pull?

We know what they

PULL

, we just can't say it here.

re: #50 Intrepid

Boy I'd sure love that. All she would have to do is give a short opening statement, and then let Joe answer every question. By the end of the night, he will have defeated himself soundly.

But it would be wrong for Sarah Palin to debate, who would take care of her children?

It is as if in 1945 Lindbergh had crawled out from under the rock FDR had shoved him under and announced that he knew the Russians would take care of Hitler so he was right all along in saying we should have stayed out. In fact that sounds like something Pat Buchanan would say.

OT from the last thread.
Spam should be forwarded with full headers to the Federal Trade Commision.
Fraud solicitations such as phishing attempts or Nigerian letters should be frowarded, again with full headers, to the United States Secret Service.

The email addys should be on the agency web pages.

re: #61 loppyd

I lost track of how many times he said "the fact of the matter is...."

Nominated for drinking quote when the 2 VP's debate

re: #18 Kosh's Shadow

Funny, I thought Biden wanted to split up Iraq into a Shi'ite state, a Sunni state, a Kurdish state, etc.

That's the way I remember it too, but it's down the memory hole now. We probably need to spend some time being reeducated, maybe at a nice camp.

I think many Americans have experienced the joy of somebody else taking credit for their hard work and this will not play well with them.

Well, at least he didn't admit to being a crypto-Muslim on camera.

The surge helped make that--what made is possible in Anbar province is they did what I'd suggested two and a half years ago: gave local control.

What parallel fantasy universe does Biden live it?

"Giving local control" two and half years ago (translation: cut and run, abandoning Iraqi allies) would probably have led to civil war, a slaughter of those Iraqis who had been brave enough to stand up for democracy, and an Islamist triumph.

He has completely reversed cause and effect; he suggests here that turning things over to local control in Anbar made the surge possible. It's the other way around, you moron.

Joe Biden's "foreign policy experience" is pure slapstick.

I thought Biden wanted to break up Iraq and "Balkanize" it? Or don't I understand the English language?

re: #59 unreconstructed rebel

Yup. The Republicans have nothing to fear from Obama, but the Democrats have everything to fear from Palin.

I gotta give the old fox credit. Now I am firmly behind McCain. Enough so to send along cash-money.

Whats with the rebel flag for your avatar? You are a stationary target for libs and moonbats.
/racism is a double-edged sword....

re: #59 unreconstructed rebel

Said that wrong. Shoulda been

have nothing to fear from Obama Biden

I need another cuppa

re: #68 HoosierHoops

Nominated for drinking quote when the 2 VP's debate

Mandatory funnels if he calls her "sweetie" .....

I can see where the Zero/Gasbag campaign is headed. It won't be long before they claim to have masterminded victory in Iraq. It worked for algore and the innernet, didn't it?

re: #70 bulwrk

I think many Americans have experienced the joy of somebody else taking credit for their hard work and this will not play well with them.

I know I have. Sometimes they even get my commission, and the last time was last month.

McCain must tie Biden and Obama to Harry "The war is lost" Reid.

Biden and Obama know they back-stabbed the war effort. This is just revisionist history.

Palin: So, Senator Biden, you really think Americans are stupid?

Biden: What? How dare you say that!

Palin: One word - Google.

re: #14 Sharmuta

When reality doesn't match with their talking points, they just change their talking points. What hypocrites.

Actually they just shout their talking points louder and the MSM says that they must be right since they are so adamant about it.

Biden said the same thing on Fox last week. The look on Brian Kilmeade's face was one of shocked disbelief. The left figured out a long time ago, repeat a lie often enough, it becomes fact. They lose if they are truthful.

re: #66 tfc3rid

But it would be wrong for Sarah Palin to debate, who would take care of her children?

Heck, for that matter she could hold baby Trig the whole debate, while braiding Piper's hair at the same time. And still Joe Biden would screw up at least 3 different issues. Palin would eat his lunch and still have enough for left overs.

We're in a new deal. What is the administration doing? They're doing what Barack Obama has suggested over 14 months ago, turn responsibility over and draw down our troops.

As I've said before; this Obama/Biden spin... spin, hell, let's just call it a "lie"... makes me think of an isolationist who declares "we shouldn't have troops in Europe!" from 1939 - 1945; and then in '46, as Truman is drawing down troop levels, declares "see! I was right all along! Even the President agrees with me!".

Ridiculous. How can anyone take these clowns seriously?

re: #67 lifeofthemind

It is as if in 1945 Lindbergh had crawled out from under the rock FDR had shoved him under and announced that he knew the Russians would take care of Hitler so he was right all along in saying we should have stayed out. In fact that sounds like something Pat Buchanan would say.

OT from the last thread.
Spam should be forwarded with full headers to the Federal Trade Commision.
Fraud solicitations such as phishing attempts or Nigerian letters should be frowarded, again with full headers, to the United States Secret Service.

The email addys should be on the agency web pages.

Actually Lindbergh served his country in WWII well by providing combat P-38 squadrons in the pacific lessons on long-range cruise settings to get the maximum range out of the fighters. He ended up in combat on mission and downed a Zeke.

re: #71 Edgar

Well, at least he didn't admit to being a crypto-Muslim on camera.

Don't go there. That was a good joke for a day, but we shouldn't try to make something out of it. If we do, we'll end up looking like bigots while Obama gets to play the victim. His views, friends, and record (or lack thereof) are better targets.

re: #68 HoosierHoops

Nominated for drinking quote when the 2 VP's debate

If we want to get rip-roaring drunk, just drink every time Biden uses the pronoun "I".

See, this is what happens when the Democrat Left Party doesn't have any good ideas of their own; they steal the ones that have been proven to work and try to claim them for themselves.

re: #67 lifeofthemind

It is as if in 1945 Lindbergh had crawled out from under the rock FDR had shoved him under and announced that he knew the Russians would take care of Hitler so he was right all along in saying we should have stayed out. In fact that sounds like something Pat Buchanan would say.

Heh, didn't see your post... GMTA, see my #84.

I admit that 4 or 5 years ago I thought that the answer was to divide Iraq up. Certainly the threat to do so might have helped awakened the Sunnis up faster to their that need to cooperate.

re: #43 gymnast

Biden is such a dull tool.

Biden should be nicknamed "wedge", because that's the simplest kind of tool there is.

Then Biden goes on with the Big Lie:

Far from--look, the bottom line here is that it's--let's--the surge is over. Here's the real point. Whether or not the surge worked is almost irrelevant now. We're in a new deal. What is the administration doing? They're doing what Barack Obama has suggested over 14 months ago, turn responsibility over and draw down our troops. We're about to get a deal from the president of the United States and Maliki, the head of the Iraqi government, that's going to land on my desk as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee saying we're going to set a timeline to draw down our forces. The only guy in America out of step is John McCain. John McCain's saying no timeline. They've signed on to Barack Obama's proposal.

Nuance or lie? I say lie. And Biden knows it. Had Barack Obama's policy been enacted, we would already be out of Iraq and the surge would have never even started.

Then it gets funny with Biden arguing with Brokaw about how his strategy has led to victory in Iraq:

...

re: #18 Kosh's Shadow

Funny, I thought Biden wanted to split up Iraq into a Shi'ite state, a Sunni state, a Kurdish state, etc.

Yep, he would have balkanized the country. What a dope.

re: #85 LoFlyer

Actually Lindbergh served his country in WWII well by providing combat P-38 squadrons in the pacific lessons on long-range cruise settings to get the maximum range out of the fighters. He ended up in combat on mission and downed a Zeke.

True. Lindbergh was wrong on many things, but once the war began he did right by his country. The current crop of "peace" people would not be fit to lace his boots.

It is very hard tio follow Biden's stream of logic.
He opposed the Surge , but now says things are getting better because of the sagacious advice of he & the One.
That is bull, but nothing would have improved without the surge that he & Obama opposed. Have I got it?

Ah yes, Joe Biden...the audacity of audacity.

Or as Bugs would say, "what a maroon".

The Democratic ticket has Biden the liar, Obama the damned liar; all they need now is a statistician.

re: #76 loppyd

Mandatory funnels if he calls her "sweetie" .....

Only for the beer drinkers!

re: #74 LoFlyer

I've been shot at before & it's my experience that neither libs nor moonbats can shoot straight.

Obama-Biden campaign is coming unhinged.

McCain's camp is in their base killing their dudes!

This is great!

re: #92 FrogMarch

Then Biden goes on with the Big Lie:

Nuance or lie? I say lie. And Biden knows it. Had Barack Obama's policy been enacted, we would already be out of Iraq and the surge would have never even started.

Then it gets funny with Biden arguing with Brokaw about how his strategy has led to victory in Iraq:

...

He said "new deal"? Well, I guess the age issue just came up again. :)

re: #88 realwest

See, this is what happens when the Democrat Left Party doesn't have any good ideas of their own; they steal the ones that have been proven to work and try to claim them for themselves.

And the problem is they have the media in the tank... The people who ONLY get their news and information from the media think Obama and Biden led the charge on the surge and McCain is just another George Bush...

50 Million people will vote for Obama/Biden... Just as 50 Million will vote for McCain/Palin... It's just those additional 20 Million votes...

re: #63 MandyManners

Oh, my. What soft, shiny scales you have!

I see a wacking coming.. it's rolling 'round the bend
and i ain't seen a good wacking, since i don't know when....
/ i could go on you know :)

re: #100 unreconstructed rebel

I've been shot at before & it's my experience that neither libs nor moonbats can shoot straight.

Or you're good at dodging bullets...

re: #85 LoFlyer

Actually Lindbergh served his country in WWII well by providing combat P-38 squadrons in the pacific lessons on long-range cruise settings to get the maximum range out of the fighters. He ended up in combat on mission and downed a Zeke.

Lindbergh was desperate to redeem his reputation when the war started and begged for active duty. FDR refused and he went to the Pacific as a civilian.

Good catch and great analysis here Rusty.

re: #104 HoosierHoops

I see a wacking coming.. it's rolling 'round the bend
and i ain't seen a good wacking, since i don't know when....
/ i could go on you know :)

Thanks Johnny!

re: #104 HoosierHoops

I see a wacking coming.. it's rolling 'round the bend
and i ain't seen a good wacking, since i don't know when....

You've been misbehavin' again? ;-)

Joe Biden has always been at war with Eastasia.

Eurasia has always been an ally of Joe Biden.

Realize folks, the speech that Palin gave was awesome. Why? Because it was a thorough retort on everything their opponents have laid claim, only to be patently wrong.

Talking one way in Scranton, and then another in San Francisco?

The DNC is digging their presidential grave each time one of these buffoons come up to a microphone, or sit down in an interview.

Right now, there are folks defusing every talking point put out by these idiots, saved for another day. Above that, you can't tell me, every f'n word that passes their lips is not being mulled over in their head like Homer talking to himself, prior to them saying it.

It must be a bitch, to know you are twisting in the wind, and providing your own cannon fire for your enemy to use against you.

This is delicious.

re: #111 formercorpsman

This is delicious.

It certainly is... But I am not going to be satisfied until state polling shows things going our way... Right now it's still showing a EV win for the The One...

This is going to be a very hard task...

I think Barack Obama probably selected Joe Biden as his running mate out of admiration for his remarkable talent for bullshit. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are both extremely talented bullshit artists. If you try to make sense out of what Joe Biden is saying in this video, bullshit is the only way to describe it. It sounds good to the uninformed, casual listener, but upon critical analysis, it is bullshit. I am sorry if I offended anyone, particularly Charles, by saying the word bullshit so many times, but it is what it is.

Hey, when y'all watch the video, do you all see a sort of "pop-up" embedded in the video near the beginning, "News you won't see on Fox, US military paying militants not to be violent"?

It has become conventional wisdom that Bush was wrong about invading Iraq. So much so that Republicans/conservatives try to, not inappropriatelly, shift the debate to what do we do now to improve the situation, while Democrats/leftists argue that we were wrong and should, to repeat John Kerry, not ask anyone else to die for a mistake.

However, the key to this is that this assessment originates from a time when victory seemed out of reach, and is implicitly predicated on just such a premature conclusion. There were no WMD's (nevermind that it was the intention that was claimed as the causus Belli, not the existence) and the goal of creating a stable, peaceful (as much as any, at least) society that would aid America in fighting Jihad seemed laughably out of reach.

But since then that has changed, so very much. There is peace in the streets, not perfect, but compared to the time in which defeat was declared, by democrats and the media at least, a spectacular improvement. The political benchmarks that the democrats held out as the real goal are being met, but that was a smokescreen compared to the reconiciliation at the most basic community level, and the respect even some former enemies, the non-AQI types, hold for American force now. An nation that formerly had an army that saw nothing wrong with torture for political reasons now sees that even genuine foes are treated humanely, and that the strong tribe doesn't see this as a sign of weakness.

So the narrative that Iraq is a mistake that can possibly be salvaged needs to change. The invasion of Saddam's Iraq was not an illegal or immoral war, nor was it a hopeless fool's errand. It was not fought brilliantly, but victory was never impossible; indeed we are on the cusp of a victory which validates the premise, the determination of Pres. Bush, the sacrifice of America's best, and the tactical brilliance of the commander who finallly brought it about.

All done even in the face of a political party which seemed to feel that we deserved our inevitable loss.

re: #87 Occasional Reader

If we want to get rip-roaring drunk, just drink every time Biden uses the pronoun "I".

Now that is some serious binge drinking !

Credit Where It's Due Dept.: Brokaw does more or less hit Biden head-on about his prevarications.

re: #117 Occasional Reader

Credit Where It's Due Dept.: Brokaw does more or less hit Biden head-on about his prevarications.

I think it's because it's been a bad week for NBC News...

re: #117 Occasional Reader

Credit Where It's Due Dept.: Brokaw does more or less hit Biden head-on about his prevarications.

Well, sort of. He could have challenged him on that "Barack Obama's plan" nonsense, but didn't.

re: #119 Occasional Reader

Well, sort of. He could have challenged him on that "Barack Obama's plan" nonsense, but didn't.

Still, he did enough. It doesn't change my opinion of NBC news, but it does help my opinion of Tom Brokaw.

"I invented the internet surge."

Al Gore Joe Biden

I couldn't watch the whole thing. The stupidity/arrogance of these people amazes me.

re: #112 tfc3rid

Granted, but I think that will be the case up until the election.

I have some faith in polling, but let's face it, how they phrase a polling question can pretty much pre-determine the outcome.

It seems to me, the machine over-played their hand this time.

The never-ending drivel on bush is one thing. Denigrating McCain's service, or even worse, doing what they have done to Palin, has not played out the way the assumed it would.

They are on spin cycle with no way out. I am getting more confident day in, and day out.

Recall, Carter had a lead all the way up until the first debate.

re: #111 formercorpsman

Realize folks, the speech that Palin gave was awesome. Why? Because it was a thorough retort on everything their opponents have laid claim, only to be patently wrong.

Talking one way in Scranton, and then another in San Francisco?

The DNC is digging their presidential grave each time one of these buffoons come up to a microphone, or sit down in an interview.

Right now, there are folks defusing every talking point put out by these idiots, saved for another day. Above that, you can't tell me, every f'n word that passes their lips is not being mulled over in their head like Homer talking to himself, prior to them saying it.

It must be a bitch, to know you are twisting in the wind, and providing your own cannon fire for your enemy to use against you.

This is delicious.

You'd think they'd at least have the good sense to spike their own cannon before lighting the fuse ...

Holy crap! I thought Obama was the premier nonsense-spouter, giving circuitous, self-contradictory, almost meaningless monologues so long that it's almost impossible to remember the original question. But Joe Biden makes him sound like Henny Youngman.

re: #125 jwb7605

Yeah, you would think that.

I'm convinced they created such a delusion of grandeur with this campaign, they can't cover the bets now.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Why do I always imagine a mackeral taped to Joe's upper thigh every time he opens his mouth?

re: #120 taxfreekiller

#111

Ya, back in 2004 , Kerry, we called him "Christmas tinsel", we hung him on a Christmas tree, then the hot air from the truth of the Swift Boat blog and the day by day unearthing of the truth of all his awards and citations becoming lies and fraud, make him spin and spin just like Christmas tinsel"

Here we are in 2008 and we have two of them spinning, spinning in the heat and lights of another pre-Christmas tree event.

Nov. 4th..

Kerry still spins.
Obama will too, also.

Compared to Kerry, these guys are easy targets. Even Kerry's performance in front of the Senate "back then" didn't sway many people. He self-banned Winter Soldier.
I'd hate to re-do the "swift boat thing" in view of Jerome Corsi's own comments these days.
Corsi does appear to be a "tool".

re: #42 HoosierHoops

And his teeth looked very very bright yesterday!

Wasn't Joe the one that recommended that Iraq be divided into three areas (Sunni, Shia and Kurd)? Though so...

Joe Biden - World Diplomat (NOT!)

I don't like to do this, but Biden's got a strong point here.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

McCain said the problems in Iraq go deeper than troop numbers.

"The problem we have here is that the Pentagon has been reacting to initiatives of the enemy rather than taking initiatives from which the enemy has to react to," he said.

"And the problem, when you react, you have to extend people on duty there, which is terrible for morale. There's a terrific strain on Guard and reservists. If you plan ahead, then you don't have to do some of these things.

"The military," he said, "is too small."

Sen. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, said U.S. forces in Iraq are "still paying an awesome price for the initial failures on policy and refusal to change them of this administration, of going in with too little power and too little legitimacy."

Biden, who recently returned from a trip to Iraq, told ABC's "This Week," "We've won everything we've tried to do, including Falluja, but then we've lacked the resources to secure what we've won."

Biden said that, after his trip to Iraq, he was "less concerned about an outbreak of civil war than I am about the outbreak of civil chaos."

Biden also predicted that the Pentagon would keep troops in place until an objective has been reached, in this case the elections, "and then you're going to see them draw down again."

Asked about newly surfaced photographs that appear to show mistreatment of Iraqi detainees, McCain said he believed the United States is now treating prisoners properly.

"I think there was a period of time where we were not," he said.

Biden's statement in the Senate "If Bush were to attack Iran witthout Congressional approval, I will unequivecaly start impeachment proceedings." Thus
taking such action off the table and aiding and abetting a sworn enemy of the United States. This is leadership.
The difference between a mayor and a legislator: As a legislator, just vote along party lines, live long enough, and ka ching you are chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee. As an add bonus your son becomes a lobbyist. If you vote "present" long enough you can run for President.

Reports: McCain, Lott also critical

Another influential Republican on the Armed Services Committee, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, has been sharply critical of Rumsfeld.

McCain said he has "no confidence" in the defense secretary and told The Associated Press, "There are very strong differences of opinion between myself and Secretary Rumsfeld" on the issue of troop strength in Iraq. (Full story)

The Pentagon said this month that it was dispatching an additional 1,500 troops to Iraq and extending the stays of more than 10,000 others to bolster security ahead of the January elections. The moves will bring the number of American forces in Iraq from nearly 140,000 to an all-time high of about 150,000, the Pentagon said.

Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, joined the Republicans who -- while not asking for Rumsfeld's resignation -- want a change.

"I'm not a fan of Secretary Rumsfeld," Lott told the Biloxi Chamber of Commerce on Wednesday, according to the AP. "I don't think he listens enough to his uniformed officers."

The AP quoted him as saying, "I would like to see a change in that slot in the next year or so. I'm not calling for his resignation, but I think we do need a change at some point."

Calls for Rumsfeld's resignation have come from some outspoken Democrats -- notably Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware and Sen. Jon Corzine of New Jersey.

"No one has been held accountable" for any of things that have gone wrong in the Iraq war -- "the miscalculation and interpretation of the intelligence before the war," a "failure to secure all the weapons dumps" and "a problem with our administration of the prisons," Corzine said this week.

Biden said that "it was time for him to step down a year and a half ago" and said that if indeed the nation went to war "with the Army we had and it was ill-equipped, then we should have waited." ("Late Edition" transcript)

Biden added that Rumsfeld left "an incredibly mechanized Army" at home.

"We did not go with the Army we had," he said.

However, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, has defended Rumsfeld, saying the secretary's leadership "has been firm when we needed to be firm."

"We misunderstood the nature of what we thought would happen after Baghdad," Graham said Sunday.

A spokesman for the Senate Armed Service Committee, John Ullyot, released a statement this week indicating that the armor issue will play a major part of an oversight hearing on the Iraq mission early in the new Congress, which meets January 4.

"Since the first day the Defense Department identified a shortage of vehicle armor, Congress not only has provided the full armor funding requested by the department, it has gone beyond that, by providing $1.3 billion more for additional armor and armored vehicles in 2003-2004," the statement said.

When the US Senate is more aggressive at funding armored vehicles than the Secretary of Defense, you know something is wrong.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Why, yes, its just EXACTLY what Biden said:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

August 24, 2006

No number of troops can solve this problem. The only way to hold Iraq together and create the conditions for our armed forces to responsibly withdraw is to give Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds incentives to pursue their interests peacefully and to forge a sustainable political settlement. Unfortunately, this administration does not have a coherent plan or any discernible strategy for success in Iraq. Its strategy is to prevent defeat and hand the problem off when it leaves office.....

Fifth, it would begin the phased redeployment of U.S. forces this year and withdraw most of them by the end of 2007, while maintaining a small follow-on force to keep the neighbors honest and to strike any concentration of terrorists

The similarity between hisw plan and the surge is pretty darn striking...fer shure....

We have to cut ol Joe some slack. His hair plug roots have wrapped around his brain and shut off the circulation.

Biden is marginalized and irrelevant and he's not even VP yet. Good job, Biden.

*I'm still here! Look, look!* - Biden

re: #124 formercorpsman

The never-ending drivel on bush is one thing. Denigrating McCain's service, or even worse, doing what they have done to Palin, has not played out the way the assumed it would

It is strange when you take into account how the media kept reminding people what a well oiled machine Obama's staff was. The Biden pick totally lacked imagination. This is what happens when you build a campaign on slander and celebrity. If Obama does lose in November (big if), one can point to his Berlin Speech as the beginning of the end. The Citizen of the World speech didn't sit well with many voters.

Obama/Biden must now do something they fear: They must tell voters specifically what they intend to do once they're elected. I think Axelrod really thought back in June Obama would be sailing with a 15-20 point lead by now, and actually spelling out a concrete agenda could be avoided. Biden's little I for the Surge after I voted against it does not help. Hell, Biden was suppose to be the Elder Statesman. Triangulation is a one trick pony, and Clinton already rode that pony into the sunset.

Man.
I had this exact same argument with an increasingly bitter liberal, who has been clinging to The Huffington Post more often nowadays. He, too, dismissed the Surge and got really upset when I pointed it out.

It's outraging how far the liberals are willing to go to undermine this administration's (or republican) success or correct choices by marginalizing them and move the goal posts to other "issues", and never admit to their failures and lies.

Holier-than-thou.

Any normal Joe/Joanne Citizen would be laughed out of town (or be rejected if in a job interview) attempting to bluster his/her way through the hard facts of previous statements.

How is it that the media collectively give these liars a pass?

Much as Tom B tried to nail him to the wall, Biden turned common logic on its head. He clearly lacks any sense of contrition, in fact his position is quite to the contrary.

With his own words this shameless windbag proved yet again that no mater how often you say, "the fact of the matter is...", you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

re: #13 Intrepid

So Joe sits there with Brokaw and argues against the surge - while Brokaw points out to him its success - and then says that the only reason the surge was successful is because everyone followed his advice?

Oh yeah, he's going to be ground into pulp by Gov Palin in their one debate.

No doubt Palin will take him down, field dress dress him, and nail him to the wall. All with a knowingly pleasant smile.

re: #32 rawmuse

Biden is just doing what a lot of pols have always done. They wait to see which way the parade is going, then they run to get in front of it.

Best watch out, it might be the Obama bus.

Being Obiden means never having to say you're sorry.

re: #10 LoFlyer

Watching Hussein admit the surge worked, did my heart good..

re: #138 jpkoch

Sorry for missing your response. I think you have it right. It was a Hollywood script from the getgo. For some reason, they never enacted a plan B in the event what has happened.

Good post, I'll look for your stuff from now on.

The difference between Obama/Biden 'timeline' and McCain's, in WWII,
Obama/Biden would call for a thirteen month timeline for drawing all Allied Troops out of Europe an June 10, 1942 (quagmire, don't you know). McCain would call for draw down only after victory. The way Obama/Biden ignore the surge, is reminiscent of how Obama/Biden ignore the personhood of in utero humans (and with Obama, even some post utero human infants). They have to ignore of minimize the surge because it is a stark case where the libtard dems bet the bank on failure retreat and surrender and were proven wrong by the candidate they're running against. Since they run on judgment not experience the flaw in their judgment and their lack of experience (being wrong on every foreign policy issue in the past thirty five years without learning a lick of anything does not constitute 'experience', it constitutes stupidity) leads to no reason to vote for them.

Of course, if it had been up to Mr. Biden, local control would have been given two and a half years ago to rackets of renegade Saddam loyalists. What a pity for a candidate running on the promise of change when the next guy just a heartbeat away shows so blatantly that he understands not even the very basics of the promise of regime change.

re: #38 Ringo the Gringo

What, they've divided the country up into three ethnically segregated parts?

I believe that was what Joe suggested, wasn't it?

That is. The Iraqis didn't like the idea either.

VP Choice Biden unpopular in Iraq for autonomy plan

BAGHDAD (Reuters) – Senator Joe Biden may be one of the only U.S. politicians that can get Iraq's feuding Sunni, Shi'ite and Kurdish politicians to agree. But not in a good way.

Across racial and religious boundaries, Iraqi politicians on Saturday bemoaned Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama's choice of running mate, known in Iraq as the author of a 2006 plan to divide the country into ethnic and sectarian enclaves.

"This choice of Biden is disappointing, because he is the creator of the idea of dividing Iraq," Salih al-Mutlaq, head of National Dialogue, one of the main Sunni Arab blocs in parliament, told Reuters.

"We rejected his proposal when he announced it, and we still reject it. Dividing the communities and land in such a way would only lead to new fighting between people over resources and borders. Iraq cannot survive unless it is unified, and dividing it would keep the problems alive for a long time."

Slo-Joe and ObamUH ... Uh, uh
A match made in the smokefilled rooms of south Chicago.

Debate? Just let Slo-Joe take the first question ... wait until he talks himself into a circle in a can covered by paper bag.
He will get pounded by this woman from the north.
I say TKO by the fourth question. (Assuming the moderator can get Biden to shut up so there is time for a fourth question.)
In a related observation ...
Me thinks Govna' Janet Napalitano (D-AZ) has hitched her political star to a falling meteor ... she was and is a supporter of ObamUH. She thought Barack Hussein ObamUH could take McCain's home state. Yea, that'll happen. What a moroon.

OK, Joe's a total asshat politician. Previous theory re-confirmed for the n-th time.

But on the "smartest person in the room" thing, wasn't he standing amongst a bunch of reporters when he said that? So the odds were pretty decent that he was just factually correct, right? ;-)

Regardless, clearly both presidential candidates have picked appropriate running-mates, in that they mirror themselves. McCain picked a maverick; Obama picked a narcissist.

I know this is a dead thread but I must have my rant.

Mr. Biden, in your quest to gain the seat of Vice President you have forgotten, if you ever had any, humility.
Iraq would not be where it is today without General Peteraus(sp) the United States Military and the Iraqi people.
You sir, along with the rest of your peers, had very little to do with it. You casted a vote and it was the wrong vote. You deserve no credit for this and how dare you try to take it from the fine people who worked so hard to achieve it!
There, I feel better now.