Dare I say it? Palin/Bruce 2016!

A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin’s comment. You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.

That is really sad. Truly. Thank you Sarah, for finally giving the lady some props.

That's a very well-written article. I still sense some discomfort, but Tammy Bruce does a great job of pointing out that the Republicans actually care about accomplishment, not "identity."

Good job.

I heart Tammy Bruce.

I heard of LGF from Tammy.

I have an autographed book of Tammy.

Tammy is pretty, though she does have a self described "quirk".

Tammy's a far left lib's nightmare.

I heart Tammy Bruce.

You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.

That was particularly galling to me. Maybe women of all persuasions are gonna' wake up and see who has been pandering to them for ages.

The comments are something else at the SF Gate. What a bunch of moonbats they have commenting there.

re: #1 Sharmuta

Dare I say it? Palin/Bruce 2016!

I don't think they see eye to eye on all things. Bruce is pro-choice, I think.

Palin is a real feminist IMHO. The left wing would have you believe that if your not a LLL then you are an insult to feminists. Palin exposes the lie in their philosophy. The Left hijacked feminism and only to suit their purposes. That has become very clear over the last 10 years.

Palin has been a uniter for more than just conservatives. She has pulled together the feminists who are finally realizing that their ultimate goal has been achieved with this woman. To prove that a woman can succeed at her dreams and rise to the top.

The dems and moonbats have shot themselves in the collective foot with their rabid attacks on Palin using their knee-jerk bigotry and sexism. This time it failed.

I agree, this is a very well written article. I hope we'll more in the weeks to come.

McCain and Palin are both pretty liberal when it comes to domestic policy (at least compared to the rest of their party). Abortion is a big issue that separates them from the hardliners who would outlaw or restrict it severely.

Hopefully this will attract some people who used to vote Dem. I don't imagine this would have happened if Huckabee had been chosen for the top job.

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

The comments are something else at the SF Gate. What a bunch of moonbats they have commenting there.

This one is hilarious;

This faux democrat/faux feminist truly doesn't get how anti-feminist Sarah Palin is. Just being a woman isn't enough to convince me that Sarah Palin is a feminist--far from it. She represents the status good old boy network all the way. Check her "credentials" , FOX NEWS has ZERO credibility... People should turn it off and start thinking for themselves.

Apparently being a chapter President for NOW means zero feminist credentials as well.

On the day McCain announced her selection as his running mate, Palin thanked Clinton and Ferraro for blazing her trail. A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin’s comment. You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.

That's just sad.

re: #5 MandyManners

That was particularly galling to me. Maybe women of all persuasions are gonna' wake up and see who has been pandering to them for ages.

The Dems have been pandering to a lot of groups; women, blacks, hispanics, etc, etc. They want deserately to be seen as the diverse party of all, yet they have a Harvard Law School grad as their presidential candidate, and a long-time Senate lackey as their VP candidate. Same ole good old boys club that the Dem party has always been since Jackson.

Did I mention Sen. Robert "Sheets" Byrd?

Palin's candidacy brings both figurative and literal feminist change. The simple act of thinking outside the liberal box, which has insisted for generations that only liberals and Democrats can be trusted on issues of import to women, is the political equivalent of a nuclear explosion.

Exactly- that's why they're so panicked. They know this to be true.

I guess you could say Ferraro got thrown under the bus 24 years ago and Palin was the one who finally pulled her out. With Palin's comment I really think Obama lost Ferraro's vote.

So, McCain and Palin won't make abortion illegal? Or will they just do that without focusing on it?

re: #10 twincitiesgirl

see more

/time for a nap

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As you know, it is not NOW...it is NOLW.

It is not the NAACP, it is the NAALCP.

It is not the ACLU, it is the ACL (for L's) U.

I you care to, check out the comments section, to see what passes for cognitive thought processes in San Francisco. The mental acrobatics are astounding.

re: #5 MandyManners

That was particularly galling to me. Maybe women of all persuasions are gonna' wake up and see who has been pandering to them for ages.

I can understand the feeling of Ferraro, I served from '76 to '82 under adverse politics and the only thanks I got was from members of the LGF. The only thanks Ferraro received was from a member of the opposition party, makes you wonder who are the real feminists?

Ya know, if "A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin’s comment. You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House." is true, I genuinely feel sympathy for Ferraro. She ran as good a race as she could - I don't remember any lies or particulary vicious snarkiness from her and other women ignore her.
Just unfuckingbeliveable.

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

The comments are something else at the SF Gate. What a bunch of moonbats they have commenting there.

They are a lost cause.

On the day McCain announced her selection as his running mate, Palin thanked Clinton and Ferraro for blazing her trail. A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin’s comment. You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.

I did not know that.

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

The Dems have been pandering to a lot of groups; women, blacks, hispanics, etc, etc. They want deserately to be seen as the diverse party of all, yet they have a Harvard Law School grad as their presidential candidate, and a long-time Senate lackey as their VP candidate. Same ole good old boys club that the Dem party has always been since Jackson.

Did I mention Sen. Robert "Sheets" Byrd?

For some reason, this song is running through my head.

I was not a big fan of John McCain a year ago, Thompson was my choice. Now with the Palin choice I am 100% behind McCain.
Our muslim friend, Obama and his minions, bring it on.
My hope is that the Republicans will shuck the gloves this time and go bare knuckle.

I think strong women are HOT!

re: #21 LoFlyer

I can understand the feeling of Ferraro, I served from '76 to '82 under adverse politics and the only thanks I got was from members of the LGF. The only thanks Ferraro received was from a member of the opposition party, makes you wonder who are the real feminists?

Those who walk the walk.

re: #20 rawmuse

I can hear their hemp-based panties crunching into knots from half a continent away. It sounds like victory.

re: #17 _Felix

Registered since: Aug 29, 2007 at 7:00 pm

No. of comments posted: 66
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Geez you sleepers really are good (as I had to tell some other dimbulb on the DT this morning).

The View version of behavior control politics should remind women of everything they hated about High School.

re: #20 rawmuse

I you care to, check out the comments section, to see what passes for cognitive thought processes in San Francisco. The mental acrobatics are astounding.

Hmmm. So close to lunch? No thanks....

re: #22 realwest

Ya know, if "A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin’s comment. You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House." is true, I genuinely feel sympathy for Ferraro. She ran as good a race as she could - I don't remember any lies or particulary vicious snarkiness from her and other women ignore her.
Just unfuckingbeliveable.

I seem to recall Barbara Bush referred to her as a "rich rhymes-with-witch".

"Ferraro has since refused to divulge for whom she’s voting."

I'm fairly sure that isn't true. I think I heard her say on H&C on Fox that she is supporting Obama/Biden.

re: #17 _Felix

The President and VP couldn't outlaw abortion all by themselves.

The most that can happen is that a couple of justices are appointed, and Roe v. Wade is reversed. Which throws it back to the states, where it belongs.

re: #8 maddogg

The Left hijacked feminism and only to suit their purposes.

The Left has a long standing habit of taking any good idea, for example clean air and water, and turning it against the citizens of a free society. Actually this is a continuation of the old Stone Age practice of taking any tool created for the furtherance of Human Life, such as the spear for hunting predators and food, and turning it against other people.

re: #27 DVAPREZ

I think strong women are HOT!

I've seen pictures of some strong women. Body building women need not apply.

re: #28 MandyManners

Those who walk the walk.

Like you, Mandy!

re: #34 MJ

"Ferraro has since refused to divulge for whom she’s voting."

I'm fairly sure that isn't true. I think I heard her say on H&C on Fox that she is supporting Obama/Biden.

You'd never know that by listening to her?

re: #17 _Felix

So, McCain and Palin won't make abortion illegal? Or will they just do that without focusing on it?

That's a really ignorant comment.

re: #32 {loppyd}
Hey, hi ya good looking! How are you doing today?

re: #27 DVAPREZ

I think strong women are HOT!

You know, I keep going to Sarah being pretty.

Tammy Bruce pretty, etc.

I need to stop it. They are smart Americans and our country is fortunate to have them.

Ladies, remind me (gently, no "whack's" Mandy) if I get out of line.

re: #37 midwestgak

I've seen pictures of some strong women. Body building women need not apply.

Strong like Palin!, not, strong like Ox!

re: #17 _Felix

So, McCain and Palin won't make abortion illegal? Or will they just do that without focusing on it?

I see you were snoozing during civics class.

Ferraro has since refused to divulge for whom she’s voting.

I could be wrong but Ferraro was nothing but excited about the McCain/Palin ticket when it was first announced. Ferraro was on a talking head show and virtually gushed about the chance that she may vote for her. The following night she was in full back pedal mode and I'm pretty sure she eluded to her choice as being Obama/Biben. If someone could confirm this it would make me feel a lot more sane. Once again, I could be wrong.

re: #1 Sharmuta

Dare I say it? Palin/Bruce 2016!

Palin/Charles in 2016!

re: #40 Sharmuta
Hey Sharm! Please see my comment #30!

re: #40 Sharmuta

That's a really ignorant comment.

I admit the possibility. Tell me what I'm ignorant about.

re: #38 LoFlyer

Like you, Mandy!

Eh. I stumble quite a bit but, thank you!

re: #43 DVAPREZ

Strong like Palin!, not, strong like Ox!

got it :)

re: #48 _Felix

I admit the possibility. Tell me what I'm ignorant about.

Presidents do not make law.

re: #44 MandyManners

I see you were snoozing during civics class.

Looks like he does more than just snooze, he is trolling for a bitch-slapping!

How about Palin-Jindel 2010 vs Hillary-Edwards.

The definition of left-wing feminism:
-Hatred and blame for the male.
-Left-wing ideology first.
-Must hate women who do not subscribe fully to the left-wing group think.
-Must hate minorities and and women who are not sufficiently left-wing progressives.

Real Feminism:
-Care about the plight of women all over the world, no matter the ideology.
-You can wear a skirt and tote a gun.
-Realization that bad-faith male-hatred is not the way to boost women.

re: #35 Dianna

The President and VP couldn't outlaw abortion all by themselves.

The most that can happen is that a couple of justices are appointed, and Roe v. Wade is reversed. Which throws it back to the states, where it belongs.

Thank you for that. Those types of comments always make steam come out of my ears.

re: #52 LoFlyer

Looks like he does more than just snooze, he is trolling for a bitch-slapping!

He might just get one or two.

re: #48 _Felix

see #35

re: #48 _Felix

You're ignorant as to how the legality of abortion works in this country. For more- read Dianna's #35.

re: #41 realwest

Hey, hi ya good looking! How are you doing today?

{realwest}

Good Morning, Handsome!

I'm great! Checked out some wedding reception locations over the weekend. Ruled two out - WAY out. Then drove home through a hurricane. LOL

How's by you? Hope the mouth sans tooth is feeling better.

re: #44 MandyManners
Uh, hi Mandy! Please see my comment #30 - second sleeper I've ID'd today - the other was at the end of the DT (or close to the end of the DT). Don't know how they can do it - be registered for more than a year, no comments at all in the last month, and then WHAMMO there they are, spewing their bullshit.

re: #53 Dave the.....

How about Palin-Jindel 201012 vs Hillary-Edwards.

:)

re: #44 MandyManners

I see you were snoozing during civics class.

Hey, only asking. I am concerned. If in fact an anti-abortion president and vice president will have no influence on the future of abortion law, than that's great.

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know, I keep going to Sarah being pretty.

Tammy Bruce pretty, etc.

I need to stop it. They are smart Americans and our country is fortunate to have them.

Ladies, remind me (gently, no "whack's" Mandy) if I get out of line.

What I'm saying is strong=professional=talented=hard working=HOT!

Tammy Bruce, another tell it like it is lady.

Bravo.

re: #60 realwest

Uh, hi Mandy! Please see my comment #30 - second sleeper I've ID'd today - the other was at the end of the DT (or close to the end of the DT). Don't know how they can do it - be registered for more than a year, no comments at all in the last month, and then WHAMMO there they are, spewing their bullshit.

The DT is too slow to examine. Do you remember the nic?

Good article by Bruce. It's the kind of common sense the moonbat controlled Democrat party lacks.

Sarah Palin may a a novice to national politics, but so far it's obvious she's not intimidated, she's smart and has common sense. She's also very strong, strength which she will need as the Dems crank up their smear machine in the next few weeks.

The beauty of the Palin selection is how she's got the Democrats and their media lapdogs reacting instead of setting the tone as the election enters it's final phase. That crafty old bastard McCain was just waiting to spring this on the unsuspecting left. Now the GOP base is energized and it's gonna be a fight to the finish.

I have a wager for any liberals out there. If McCain/Palin is elected in 2008 and abortion is made illegal, I will pay you $100,000. If McCain/Palin is elected and abortion on demand still occurs (but perhaps becomes a regulated industry), you pay me $100,000.

So, then, is abortion now OK to talk about here? Or what?

re: #62 _Felix

Hey, only asking. I am concerned. If in fact an anti-abortion president and vice president will have no influence on the future of abortion law, than that's great.

See #55 Ford_Perfect - perfect!

re: #51 MandyManners

Presidents do not make law.

Fair enough. So, why do we care what they think about things like abortion?

re: #62 _Felix

The last time I checked the current president and vice president are pro-life and Roe v. Wade is still the law of the land.

I am watching the audience at a McCain/Palin rally and almost all the signs are for Sarah and Cindy. There are only a few for what's his name?

/Sorry can't help myself--but is true

Opps, meant "2012" for Palin-Jindel.

re: #70 _Felix

Fair enough. So, why do we care what they think about things like abortion?

Uh- you were the one who brought up abortion, none of the rest of us did.

re: #62 _Felix

Hey, only asking. I am concerned. If in fact an anti-abortion president and vice president will have no influence on the future of abortion law, than that's great.

Just in case you've not paid attention, Charles generally doesn't like abortion discussed. It inflames the hell out of many.

re: #52 LoFlyer

Can we suggest another comment rating refinement to Charles? Every 5 downdings could earn a digital bitch slap. For a really deserving candidate like annefrance we could all pitch in to send a representative to administer one in-person.

re: #72 Nevergiveup

I am watching the audience at a McCain/Palin rally and almost all the signs are for Sarah and Cindy. There are only a few for what's his name?

/Sorry can't help myself--but is true

Has McCain used JFK's line about being the guy that accompanied Palin to [insert city here]?

re: #70 _Felix

Fair enough. So, why do we care what they think about things like abortion?

The MSM are the ones bringing it up.

re: #53 Dave the.....

How about Palin-Jindel 2010 vs Hillary-Edwards.

How 'bout Palin-Bolton for 2010?

re: #66 Land Shark

I agree for the most part, but let's not forget that crafty bastard McCain wanted to spring Liberman on us!

The Dems should be very careful with the abortion issue.
Obama's lack of support for medical attention, for fully birthed American citizens that survive a botched abortion has never been properly explained to the American people.
Irony of ironies, the catalyst was a Down baby

re: #77 loppyd

Has McCain used JFK's line about being the guy that accompanied Palin to [insert city here]?

I haven't heard him use that yet--but it would work!

re: #60 realwest

Uh, hi Mandy! Please see my comment #30 - second sleeper I've ID'd today - the other was at the end of the DT (or close to the end of the DT). Don't know how they can do it - be registered for more than a year, no comments at all in the last month, and then WHAMMO there they are, spewing their bullshit.

Its easy, Real! Hang out at Kos or DU for a couple of months ingesting lockstep Marxist indoctrination, get stoked up, and hit the LGF with some light-weight liberal Democrat talking point. Nothing to it!

re: #65 MandyManners
Yeah, it was "Negativ" - that's the commenter's nic as well as his/her comment!

re: #66 Land Shark

Right on!

re: #75 MandyManners

Just in case you've not paid attention, Charles generally doesn't like abortion discussed. It inflames the hell out of many.

I guess it might. OK, shutting up now. (Incidentally, realwest, here's a reason for my low post count.)

Lunch.

BBL

re: #86 _Felix

The only reason why you don't post is because you want to talk about abortion?

re: #68 J.D.

You can't really comment on this election and not talk about it. It is, after all, the key uniting plank of the Democratic Party Platform.

re: #45 charlie foxtrot

I could be wrong but Ferraro was nothing but excited about the McCain/Palin ticket when it was first announced. Ferraro was on a talking head show and virtually gushed about the chance that she may vote for her. The following night she was in full back pedal mode and I'm pretty sure she eluded to her choice as being Obama/Biben. If someone could confirm this it would make me feel a lot more sane. Once again, I could be wrong.

You are correct. She endorsed Obama/Biden, beacuse of the choice of Biden.

re: #46 Alouette

Palin/Charles in 2016!

Isn't Ray Charles dead?

re: #83 LoFlyer
Heh. "Nothing to it!" About says it all!

re: #63 DVAPREZ

What I'm saying is strong=professional=talented=hard working=HOT!

Oh I know what you were saying. What I have been saying is of concern to me.

But you do not hear me saying Camille Paglia is hot. Margaret Thatcher. Hillary Clinton. Kay Bailey Hutchison. All of them strong=professional=talented=hard working.

I won't be sleeping with these women and need to stop the whole "she's pretty" routine.

I am speaking for myself.

re: #90 opnion

You are correct. She endorsed Obama/Biden, beacuse of the choice of Biden.

She said this publicly, but her ballot is private.

re: #89 Iron Fist

You can't really comment on this election and not talk about it. It is, after all, the key uniting plank of the Democratic Party Platform.

But that's just so wrong!

One of the main reasons I started questioning the Gloria Steinem-type feminism is that it refused to allow a place for pro-life women. According to them, you could not be pro-life and still be a feminist. Far from being all-inclusive of all women, they're as bigoted and narrow-minded as they come.

re: #76 KibbyKat

Can we suggest another comment rating refinement to Charles? Every 5 downdings could earn a digital bitch slap. For a really deserving candidate like annefrance we could all pitch in to send a representative to administer one in-person.

Lets make it 10 downdings. I have said some things that would get me a Digital bitch Slap, henceforth (DBS) at five. I like the idea though. A virtual bitch slap!

re: #84 realwest

Careful, just spotted Lawyers from Whammo™ swimming upstream.
Oh no they are circling!

re: #72 Nevergiveup

I am watching the audience at a McCain/Palin rally and almost all the signs are for Sarah and Cindy. There are only a few for what's his name?

/Sorry can't help myself--but is true

....yeah....and to listen to the media (all of them), one would think Palin was running against Obama.....I think it's a hoot.

I mentioned on another thread the I was asked if I was concerned that Palin, with her lack of experience, would be "one bullet away from the presidency". I just said "with Obama there's no bullet involved".

re: #80 turn

I agree for the most part, but let's not forget that crafty bastard McCain wanted to spring Liberman on us!

What I am concerned about is he refers to global warming too often for my liking. As though he believes it exists and wants to fix it.

Maybe Sarah can straighten him out on that one.

re: #94 Sharmuta

She said this publicly, but her ballot is private.

Maybe, but she sounded pretty definite.

re: #81 opnion
Good morning opnion "Irony of ironies, the catalyst was a Down baby" for real?
Oh man, if that ever comes out in full, Obama will have done what even I didn't think he was capable of doing: looking even more ridiculous and less presidential than he already does!

re: #86 _Felix

WTF? Low comment count? You gonna blame that on who?

re: #88 Sharmuta

The only reason why you don't post is because you want to talk about abortion?

My main impulse for posting is usually to be argumentative and off-message. And I probably am quite ignorant about American politics. Often best not to say anything.

re: #102 realwest

Good morning opnion "Irony of ironies, the catalyst was a Down baby" for real?
Oh man, if that ever comes out in full, Obama will have done what even I didn't think he was capable of doing: looking even more ridiculous and less presidential than he already does!

Hard to make The One look less Presidential...

Not completely OT - Clive Crook is a Brit who writes for the Financial Times on U.S. politics. He has a great piece in today's edition on The Dems/liberals enduring problem.

Democrats must learn some respect

Democrats speak up for the less prosperous; they have well-intentioned policies to help them; they are disturbed by inequality, and want to do something about it. Their concern is real and admirable. The trouble is, they lack respect for the objects of their solicitude. Their sympathy comes mixed with disdain, and even contempt.

Democrats regard their policies as self-evidently in the interests of the US working and middle classes. Yet those wide segments of US society keep helping to elect Republican presidents. How is one to account for this? Are those people idiots? Frankly, yes – or so many liberals are driven to conclude. Either that or bigots, clinging to guns, God and white supremacy; or else pathetic dupes, ever at the disposal of Republican strategists. If they only had the brains to vote in their interests, Democrats think, the party would never be out of power. But again and again, the Republicans tell their lies, and those stupid damned voters buy it.
[ ]
For days, the derision poured down from Democratic party talking heads and much of the media too. The idea that “this woman” might be vice-president or even president was literally incomprehensible. The popular liberal comedian Bill Maher, whose act is an endless sneer at the Republican party, noted that John McCain’s case for the presidency was that only he was capable of standing between the US and its enemies, but that should he die he had chosen “this stewardess” to take over. This joke was not – or not only – a complaint about lack of experience. It was also an expression of class disgust. I give Mr Maher credit for daring to say what many Democrats would only insinuate.

Yep. I think much of this is not about feminism per se - it's about class contempt.

The best thing of the article are those crazy comments following it. Hilarious!

So, then, is abortion now OK to talk about here? Or what?

I think the subject isn't so much abortion itself, but anti-McCain people spreading untruths about what will happen if J-Mac is elected President.

re: #100 midwestgak

What I am concerned about is he refers to global warming too often for my liking. As though he believes it exists and wants to fix it.

Maybe Sarah can straighten him out on that one.

Give him a break. Over 20 years in the same Senate as Joe Biden would make anyone believe in the deadly menace of hot air.

re: #17 _Felix

So, McCain and Palin won't make abortion illegal? Or will they just do that without focusing on it?

Hopefully they'll reform judicial activism, but frankly your statement shows ignorance to how the government works. In fact, it is judicial activism that trumps the people's will and rights, e.g. Kelo, Roe v. Wade, Same sex marriage. I don't have a care about the argument at this point, I'm more concerned with national security as Russia moves into our hemisphere. Obama and Biden will make us safer? Please.

re: #81 opnion

The Dems should be very careful with the abortion issue.
Obama's lack of support for medical attention, for fully birthed American citizens that survive a botched abortion has never been properly explained to the American people.
Irony of ironies, the catalyst was a DownDown's baby

The condition was named after Dr. Down which identified the syndrom.

Down's Syndrom. But you knew that :)

re: #104 _Felix

My main impulse for posting is usually to be argumentative and off-message. And I probably am quite ignorant about American politics. Often best not to say anything.

were are you from?

re: #104 _Felix

My main impulse for posting is usually to be argumentative and off-message. And I probably am quite ignorant about American politics. Often best not to say anything.

So... you admit you're trolling?

re: #100 midwestgak

What I am concerned about is he refers to global warming too often for my liking. As though he believes it exists and wants to fix it.

Maybe Sarah can straighten him out on that one.

His talk about supporting cap and trade really bothers me too. I can only hope he gets a clue from the base after he is elected. In other words I hope it's simply a ploy to get votes from the middle.

re: #80 turn

So says the press, anyway!

re: #104 _Felix

Okay. Now tell us how you really feel, oh Argumentative One.

re: #84 realwest

Yeah, it was "Negativ" - that's the commenter's nic as well as his/her comment!

I dinged it down. I wonder what Nodrog is up to nowadays.

re: #97 LoFlyer

As soon as I posted, I realized that standard might put me in line for my own DBS. Ten it is!

I remember the evening after Geraldine Ferraro was named the VP candidate. Some network reporter was interviewing a Republican party official and smugly asked him what he thought about the Dem's nominating the first woman VP. The Republican party official smiled and said that the Dem's may nominate the first female VP or female President, but the Republicans will elect the first female VP or President. The reporter had no comeback for that statement. Now over 25 years later, we may be seeing his prediction come true.

re: #86 _Felix

I guess it might. OK, shutting up now. (Incidentally, realwest, here's a reason for my low post count.)

So, the reason why you post here is to discuss that topic?

re: #34 MJ

"Ferraro has since refused to divulge for whom she’s voting."

I'm fairly sure that isn't true. I think I heard her say on H&C on Fox that she is supporting Obama/Biden.

Everything I've heard from her has been very guarded about who she will vote for, incl. the most recent time I saw he on H&C.

re: #119 Random63

Who was it? Do you remember?

re: #34 MJ

"Ferraro has since refused to divulge for whom she’s voting."

I'm fairly sure that isn't true. I think I heard her say on H&C on Fox that she is supporting Obama/Biden.

Here's the quote from H&C:

COLMES: Let's be clear. You are going to vote for Obama-Biden, is that correct?

FERRARO: Yes, I have to say his choosing of Senator Biden really answered the question for me as to whether or not they as a team could handle the foreign policy issues that are facing this country. And I really felt that Joe Biden was the person who would be able to give him the 30 years of experience he has had on the Hill.

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

re: #80 turn

I agree for the most part, but let's not forget that crafty bastard McCain wanted to spring Liberman on us!

Well, he was crafty enough to realize what a losing proposition picking Liberman would have been. And even craftier in selecting someone that A- Fired up the conservatives for his campaign, B- Has the left tied in knots trying to respond to this and C- Picked someone to whom a lot people, not just conservatives, can relate.

re: #119 Random63

Upding

re: #110 Celtic Templar

Speaking of Tammy Bruce....
"If a Muslim blows you up, or uses a dull knife and cuts your head off; do you really care about Pro Life/Pro Choice?"

-Tammy Bruce (paraphrased).

The Obamatons never thanked Ferraro. In fact, they called her a racist, remember? Exactly like in a cult - they destroy their own.

Related - I was at a playground this weekend and saw a grown man with an Obama t-shirt (one size too small, and arrived in an SUV - doesn't he know his leader told him to eat less and drive a subcompact?). A grown man proudly displaying his hero worship like a 10 year old girl with a Jonas Bros. t-shirt. I felt like going over and telling him to grow up - we're electing a president, not choosing American Idol. I bit my lip, instead.

You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.

Because history be damned, the Democrats are only about 1 thing, power and Modale/Ferraro lost pretty badly however historic.

re: #106 wahabicorridor
Hey good morning whabi! Great comment and link, thanks!
BTW, didja check your e-mail last night?!

re: #108 Dave the.....

I think the subject isn't so much abortion itself, but anti-McCain people spreading untruths about what will happen if J-Mac is elected President.

Heh...."J-Mac and the Barracuda"......sounds like Fox's new fall show.

re: #45 charlie foxtrot

I could be wrong but Ferraro was nothing but excited about the McCain/Palin ticket when it was first announced. Ferraro was on a talking head show and virtually gushed about the chance that she may vote for her. The following night she was in full back pedal mode and I'm pretty sure she eluded to her choice as being Obama/Biben. If someone could confirm this it would make me feel a lot more sane. Once again, I could be wrong.

She was on Hannity & Colmes on Friday and said she was voting for Obama. I think she likes and repects Palin but she's a yellow dog Dem: Unless they put up an open admirer of Joseph Stalin, she'll vote Democratic. I'm the same way with the GOP: absent them nominating a monster, I'll always vote Republican.

re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's a relief to know that I am not the only one bothered by those sorts of comments. One LGF poster even said "Trig is hot".

re: #120 MandyManners

F*ck this guy- he's just trying to derail the thread.

I'd rather talk about Tammy's article, Sarah and feminism.

re: #35 Dianna

The President and VP couldn't outlaw abortion all by themselves.

The most that can happen is that a couple of justices are appointed, and Roe v. Wade is reversed. Which throws it back to the states, where it belongs.

If only Liberals recognized that this would be much better. Let's remove this issue for the national debate, please! It's been contaminating all discussion for 35 years, and that's enough! Hand it back to the states!

re: #113 Sharmuta

So... you admit you're trolling?

No, I'm resisting starting contentious arguments on subjects that interest me. That's a bit different.

The UN springs into action......
U.N.: Israel should pay Lebanon $1 billion

The United Nations secretary-general is calling on Israel to pay Lebanon $1 billion in compensation for war damage.

The figure for the damage from the 2006 war with Lebanon was based on calculations by the World Bank, Lebanese media reported over the weekend. The money will cover environmental and physical damage, including damage to Lebanon's coastline from an oil spill suffered when Israel bombed the Jivyeh power station.

re: #122 J.D.

Who was it? Do you remember?

No I'm afraid I don't...it's been many years...I don't even remember the network. I just remember the exchange and that stayed with me. Sorry, I usually try to back up my recollections with references.

re: #99 eschew_obfuscation

I think anyone who is concerned about health issues for Presidential candidates should read this:

"Cocaine significantly increases the risk of heart attack in individuals who are otherwise at low risk," says Murray A. Mittleman, M.D., Dr. P.H., of the Institute for Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, who headed the research project.
......
"The average age of people in the study who suffered heart attacks soon after using cocaine was only 44," Mittleman notes. "That's about 17 years younger than the average heart attack patient. Of the 38 cocaine users who had heart attacks, 29 had no prior symptoms of heart disease."
....
Mittleman notes that cocaine users are more likely to be male and to smoke cigarettes. Smoking is a major risk factor for heart attack. These two variables were accounted for in assessing whether cocaine use increases the risk for heart attack."

Anyone come to mind?
[Link: www.cocaine.org...]

re: #104 _Felix

My main impulse for posting is usually to be argumentative and off-message. And I probably am quite ignorant about American politics. Often best not to say anything.

Wise words.

With all this publicity about Palin I have forgotten who is running against McCain. Does anyone remember?

re: #135 _Felix

GAZE

re: #115 Dianna

So says the press, anyway!

True, only a rumor since McCain has publicly said nothing to support it. None the less it's something I'm inclined to believe.

Sorry, but Tammy Bruce (along with KABC's Al Rantel and Doug McIntyre) is a clown. Yeah, yeah, TB supports Palin now, but just wait till SP does something to piss off TB.

Tammy B, Rantel and Doug M all have Andy Sullivan disease-- they have tin-ear political instincts and take every political act personally. For instance, McIntyre regularly tells callers to vote Libertarian since the Ds and Rs aren't stopping illegal immigration quick enough. Yeah, right, the Libertarians. That'll show 'em!

TB wholehearted supported Bush until the Amnesty thing came up last year, then she resorted to trashing Bush every chance she got. Really, Tammy, it only took you 6 years to figure out Bush wasn't Tom Tancredo? What was your first clue? Perhaps the 2000 campaign or his 8 years as Texas governor? She wasn't just saying Bush is wrong, but if you didn't know better, you'd swear she was Randi Rhodes.

Mark my words, should Palin be in office a few years from now, TB will find something to be offended about and will start trashing her.

re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Tammy Bruce....
"If a Muslim blows you up, or uses a dull knife and cuts your head off; do you really care about Pro Life/Pro Choice?"

-Tammy Bruce (paraphrased).

Most of my liberal co-religionists and many liberals would answer yes to that. Sad to say.

re: #104 _Felix

My main impulse for posting is usually to be argumentative and off-message. And I probably am quite ignorant about American politics. Often best not to say anything.

And yet as soon as you are called on your ignorance you back down. If you want to be argumentative then argue. We all enjoy a good debate if it well thought out and intelligent.

re: #104 _Felix

My main impulse for posting is usually to be argumentative and off-message. And I probably am quite ignorant about American politics. Often best not to say anything.

Yes, it is.

The fights in here get bad enough without someone aching to start fights!

re: #130 eschew_obfuscation

Heh...."J-Mac and the Barracuda"......sounds like Fox's new fall show.

Meanwhile, P Diddy is producing a reality show on MTV called "Barry O and J Biddy"

re: #118 KibbyKat

As soon as I posted, I realized that standard might put me in line for my own DBS. Ten it is!

I'll mention it to Charles on the technical thread...Like I even talk his language, he is DB analyst and I am a network engineer. People like us constantly fight!

Morning Lizards,

WA State, Sec. State Sam Reed (R) has been cleaning house on the election front. We've got a shot at a clean election in WA this year.

re: #124 Land Shark

100% the right move.

re: #136 Killgore Trout

The UN springs into action......
U.N.: Israel should pay Lebanon $1 billion

The checks in the mail.

re: #104 _Felix

My main impulse for posting is usually to be argumentative and off-message. And I probably am quite ignorant about American politics. Often best not to say anything.

That's an honest answer. I don't like it, but I respect it.

Well thank you!

re: #125 lifeofthemind

re: #114 turn

His talk about supporting cap and trade really bothers me too. I can only hope he gets a clue from the base after he is elected. In other words I hope it's simply a ploy to get votes from the middle.

That too.

He has toned down the cap and trade rhetoric. I'm hoping it's because he has decided that it's a bad idea rather than just tabling it for the time being.

re: #86 _Felix Where's the reason for your low post count? And how come your posts, low count or not, are always mud slung at Republicans or attempts to stir up the pot or derail the thread?
However, I will correct myself: you're not a sleeper, nor even a troll because you stuck around out here to "discuss" matters; methinks you may be more Moby than troll or sleeper.

Democrats try so hard to divide people into specific groups and classes for their Marxist purposes of playing people against one another, that they fail to see the big picture. Few Americans (of any background) really want to be framed as a perpetual "victim" in need of rescue. This despite total Leftist control of academia and media, beating into people how much America sucks and how everyone needs government help to survive.

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

The Dems have been pandering to a lot of groups; women, blacks, hispanics, etc, etc. They want deserately to be seen as the diverse party of all, yet they have a Harvard Law School grad as their presidential candidate, and a long-time Senate lackey as their VP candidate. Same ole good old boys club that the Dem party has always been since Jackson.

Did I mention Sen. Robert "Sheets" Byrd?

How sweet...just heard on the news that ObiWannaBePrez escorted his daughters to school today....IN A FIVE SUV MOTORCADE! Wow, talk about carbon footprints!

re: #157 UberInfidel67

How sweet...just heard on the news that ObiWannaBePrez escorted his daughters to school today....IN A FIVE SUV MOTORCADE! Wow, talk about carbon footprints!

And, it was a PRIVATE school.

re: #136 Killgore Trout

The UN springs into action......
U.N.: Israel should pay Lebanon $1 billion

Starting wars with democracies pays off......

re: #113 Sharmuta

So... you admit you're trolling?

No, I think he's like a lot of people - he finds the safety and anonymity of the web makes the arguing more fun.

re: #17 _Felix

You're getting a ding-down just because of your ugly, creepy avatar.

re: #140 calvin coolidge

With all this publicity about Palin I have forgotten who is running against McCain. Does anyone remember?

/Funny. I actually had to think about it.

On the day McCain announced her selection as his running mate, Palin thanked Clinton and Ferraro for blazing her trail. A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin’s comment. You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.

Well, after reading the full-blown mysogyny present in the comments, now we know why no Dem publicly thanked Ferraro in 24 years. Those Progressive/Far Left Liberal comments are the equivalent of telling Sarah she should be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen. 'She's just a woman, what right does she have to speak? Just who does this uppity woman think she is?' Really freakin' unbelievable attitudes on display in the comments. Her having been a mayor, and now a governor, mean nothing.

re: #102 realwest

Good morning opnion "Irony of ironies, the catalyst was a Down baby" for real?
Oh man, if that ever comes out in full, Obama will have done what even I didn't think he was capable of doing: looking even more ridiculous and less presidential than he already does!

Hi real, how are you feeling?
Yup , a nurse from Christ Community Hospital in Oak Lawn, IL. testified before Obama's Il. Senate Committee.
She was on duty when a botched abortion produced a full born Down baby.
They denied the baby care & placed it in the soiled linen room for him to expire. The nurse went in and rocked the baby for about 45 miutes until he died. Obama was not moved & was the only Illinois Senator to vote against proposed legislation to compel treatment in these situations.
Christ Hospital is part of the Advocate System. The Chicago Tribune reported that the Obamas had a financial interest at the time.

Apparently to the Leftist Feminists, you can only be a feminist if you either don't believe that human embryos/fetuses are human beings or are willing to lie to yourselves.
See, if one does believe that human fetuses are the equivalent of toenail clippings until childbirth, then of course one must be pro-choice to be feminist.
But that isn't the only rational, scientific belief, and to pretend it is is to be either disengenuous or, well, stupid. Many people believe that human embryos have great worth, either equal to a human being, or something less, but still not to be easily discarded (especially late in development). This isn't an irrational, crazy, religious belief; even if you personally disagree, it you must admit that reasonableness of a person holding it.

Now, the belief that fetuses have worth is in no way incompatible with the belief that women have identical worth to men, even with the belief that the governement should work to ensure equal treatment, which isn't the same but isn't entirely unreasonable either.

So the for women for whom unrestricted abortion is the most important issue, they are often willing to sacrifice genuine allies in helping women, denegrating them when they are just as much feminists as NOW are--they simply (in their/our view) extend concern for women nine months earlier.

Tammy Bruce realizes this, I think, and is inclusive in ways Palin's attackers only pretend to be.

re: #2 Sharmuta

That is really sad. Truly. Thank you Sarah, for finally giving the lady some props.

That's really sad that no one in G.F.'s own party ever said thanks. I'm glad she lost, but someone should have acknowledged her making history.

re: #138 jaunte

I think anyone who is concerned about health issues for Presidential candidates should read this:

"Cocaine significantly increases the risk of heart attack in individuals who are otherwise at low risk," says Murray A. Mittleman, M.D., Dr. P.H., of the Institute for Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, who headed the research project.
......
"The average age of people in the study who suffered heart attacks soon after using cocaine was only 44," Mittleman notes. "That's about 17 years younger than the average heart attack patient. Of the 38 cocaine users who had heart attacks, 29 had no prior symptoms of heart disease."
....
Mittleman notes that cocaine users are more likely to be male and to smoke cigarettes. Smoking is a major risk factor for heart attack. These two variables were accounted for in assessing whether cocaine use increases the risk for heart attack."

Anyone come to mind?
[Link: www.cocaine.org...]

Noooo .... were you thinking of a presidential candidate, then?

///

re: #70 _Felix

We care what presidential candidates think about abortion because they're the ones that pick Supreme Court Justices.

Ever since the court twisted itself into all sorts of knots to come up with the "penumbras" and "emanations" to discover a "right" to abortion in the Constitution, lefties have done everything they can to make sure that it stays an enumerated right like freedom of speech or freedom of association. They KNOW that the American public isn't so enamored of abortion that abortion on demand could possibly disappear from a large portion of the country if it's not mandated by 5 out of 9 assholes in black robes. As with practically every other issue that the left holds dear, since they can't get it through democracy, they got it through litigation, and now they don't want to allow the people to speak through their representatives and threaten it.

If you have a prolife President and he can get an originalist judge on the Supreme Court, the "right" to abortion could disappear. The issue then goes to the states with places like Mississippi banning it under all circumstances and New York allowing up to age two. Radical feminists can't afford to let that happen, that's why they're so shrill about the issue. Antiabortion people have had this forced down their throats by mandate, not vote and that's why THEY'RE so adament about it.

re: #155 realwest

sleeper? Please define for newbie.

re: #141 Sharmuta

GAZE

Hey. NOT A TROLL. Gaze back, or something.
The main post featured a paragraph about the a-word, I didn't know it was verboten. Sorry.

re: #129 realwest

Hey good morning whabi! Great comment and link, thanks!
BTW, didja check your e-mail last night?!

Hi real - yes - didn't see anything from you, tho' - what am I missing?

re: #138 jaunte
But hey, McCain turned over ALL of his medical records, sheafs and piles of 'em. And Obama? Well he gave us a one page letter from his doctor saying he's currently in good health.
Nope, I ain't worried about that.
/

re: #135 _Felix

No, I'm resisting starting contentious arguments on subjects that interest me. That's a bit different.

Uh ohhhhhh. This is going to leave a mark.

re: #171 wahabicorridor
Well actually not a lot - just a thank you for calling and sorry I couldn't take the call! And a brief description of what's going on with mom and with me.
No biggie.

re: #136 Killgore Trout

The UN springs into action......
U.N.: Israel should pay Lebanon $1 billion

This type of misconduct is at its base the same as a form of juvenile delinquency. The diplomats and multi-culties are in their hearts afraid of the Moslems and Arabs. They know deep down that these people can and will kill them, kill their families, and bankrupt their communites. They know that the Jews will not. Therefore they behave like short term rational actors with self serving justifications to follow. Eventually they learn to believe that war is peace and lies are truth. If the diplomats of Turtle Bay knew fear then they would learn respect. If they felt respect then they would prevent war and terror.

re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Tammy Bruce....
"If a Muslim blows you up, or uses a dull knife and cuts your head off; do you really care about Pro Life/Pro Choice?"

-Tammy Bruce (paraphrased).

The Muslim fellow who is doing the inner struggle thing does not believe in the Right to Life, either.

re: #172 realwest

I remember reading awhile back that cocaine use creates tiny rips in the heart muscle, that will only be evident (surprise!) later in life. Can't find the reference now.

re: #143 Topspin Lob

Same thing happened here. First the amnesty thing was not very popular with a lot of us. Second many of us were brutal in our attacks on President Bush for that reason. Third, and finally, I don't want blind sycophant-ism for/from anyone. Not the POTUS, not Charles, not Mandy, not you.

Speak your mind. And fight those who make stupid mistakes.

I heart Tammy Bruce for the reason you describe.

But, maybe that's just me. All opinion. Doesn't make me right, doesn't make you wrong.

Mandy, that is a lovely outfit you are wearing today. Charles? That a new haircut? Fabulous!

re: #157 UberInfidel67

How sweet...just heard on the news that ObiWannaBePrez escorted his daughters to school today....IN A FIVE SUV MOTORCADE! Wow, talk about carbon footprints!

Wassamatter?
Dontcha know that for ObiWannaBePrez (I love that!) its preaching water while drinking wine?

re: #157 UberInfidel67

How sweet...just heard on the news that ObiWannaBePrez escorted his daughters to school today....IN A FIVE SUV MOTORCADE! Wow, talk about carbon footprints!

Were their tires inflated properly?

re: #172 realwest

Found it:
"Cocaine use is not a commonly recognized risk factor for aortic dissection, which usually occurs in older people with high blood pressure. However, researchers at San Francisco General Hospital noticed younger patients coming to the hospital with aortic dissection due to cocaine use."
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

re: #164 opnion

Hi real, how are you feeling?
Yup , a nurse from Christ Community Hospital in Oak Lawn, IL. testified before Obama's Il. Senate Committee.
She was on duty when a botched abortion produced a full born Down baby.
They denied the baby care & placed it in the soiled linen room for him to expire. The nurse went in and rocked the baby for about 45 miutes until he died. Obama was not moved & was the only Illinois Senator to vote against proposed legislation to compel treatment in these situations.
Christ Hospital is part of the Advocate System. The Chicago Tribune reported that the Obamas had a financial interest at the time.

Oh my God

re: #169 midwestgak
A "sleeper" is someone who manages to register at LGF and remains a "member" for quite a period of time, but rarely comments and when he/she does, always brings up Left talking points in an attempt to derail a thread.
Not all those who register and rarely comment are sleepers, far from it. But those who do and don't comment much, but when they do they ALWAYS try to stir the pot and recite Leftie talking points which have previously been discussed thoroughly (and sometimes ad nauseum) are usually folks who register here just to do that.

The Democrats are so classist. Republicans aren't.

McCain-Palin represents a demographic.

In effect, it is the unwashed filthy masses of the peasantry carrying torches and pitchforks of Democracy...

Utterly beautiful.

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently being a chapter President for NOW means zero feminist credentials as well.

Huh?
Are you saying Palin was a chapter President?
Honest. I didn't know that, if that is true. If it is true, then goodonher.
linky?

re: #161 Alouette

You're getting a ding-down just because of your ugly, creepy avatar.

I thought about it, too. I don't like that avatar much.

Oh boy, just noticed the "British Pop Weenie" upstairs! TaTa!

re: #119 Random63

I remember the evening after Geraldine Ferraro was named the VP candidate. Some network reporter was interviewing a Republican party official and smugly asked him what he thought about the Dem's nominating the first woman VP. The Republican party official smiled and said that the Dem's may nominate the first female VP or female President, but the Republicans will elect the first female VP or President. The reporter had no comeback for that statement. Now over 25 years later, we may be seeing his prediction come true.

I hope you're right.

re: #164 opnion

Hi real, how are you feeling?
Yup , a nurse from Christ Community Hospital in Oak Lawn, IL. testified before Obama's Il. Senate Committee.
She was on duty when a botched abortion produced a full born Down baby.
They denied the baby care & placed it in the soiled linen room for him to expire. The nurse went in and rocked the baby for about 45 miutes until he died. Obama was not moved & was the only Illinois Senator to vote against proposed legislation to compel treatment in these situations.
Christ Hospital is part of the Advocate System. The Chicago Tribune reported that the Obamas had a financial interest at the time.

Gross. And this happened at CHRIST Hospital? The Irony is a bit much isn't it.

I have to admit I am a little surprised of Tammy's blunt support of Palin. I didn't expect her to support Obama despite his abortion record but she had serious issues with Romney even though the argument against him was his abortion record. Suffice to say though I am glad to see she is behind the ticket.

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

She was on Hannity & Colmes on Friday and said she was voting for Obama. I think she likes and repects Palin but she's a yellow dog Dem: Unless they put up an open admirer of Joseph Stalin, she'll vote Democratic. I'm the same way with the GOP: absent them nominating a monster, I'll always vote Republican.

I think _{the one} leans more toward Lenin and Marx so she'll vote for him.

re: #161 Alouette

I made this ugly, creepy avatar myself, you know. The full thing is animated:

[Link: www2.b3ta.com...]

That image is a few years old by now, though, I might need one more recent and better suited to a 24 pixel square.

re: #27 DVAPREZ

I think strong women are HOT!

Thank you. *blush* :)

re: #164 opnion
Well, aside from facing the distinct possiblity that another tooth may have to be extracted, I was doing fine until you posted that.
That is absolutely disgusting and there is NO explanation or justification for that; as far as I'm concerned, that's just murder. Period.

re: #189 Truck Monkey

Gross. And this happened at CHRIST Hospital? The Irony is a bit much isn't it.

Yes it did. The Nurse was actually 0on Hannity & Colmes.
Obamas excuse is that he was protecting Roe v Wade.
That is silly, this was a fully born human being.

re: #157 UberInfidel67

How sweet...just heard on the news that ObiWannaBePrez escorted his daughters to school today....IN A FIVE SUV MOTORCADE! Wow, talk about carbon footprints!

Do as I say, not as I do!

re: #121 Son of the Black Dog

Everything I've heard from her has been very guarded about who she will vote for, incl. the most recent time I saw he on H&C.

Ferraro has indicated (on Fox) that she intends to, and "most probably will" vote for Obama.
Next verbal paragraph was to say something NOT-disparaging about McCain and Palin.

I like Geraldine Ferraro. I disagree with most of her politics, but I like Geraldine Ferraro.

re: #195 opnion

Yes it did. The Nurse was actually 0on Hannity & Colmes.
Obamas excuse is that he was protecting Roe v Wade.
That is silly, this was a fully born human being.

I somehow think that Christ would not be proud of what happens at his hospital.

re: #157 UberInfidel67
LOL! Well I understand where you're coming from, but I don't really blame Obama for that: he has Secret Service protection and I've no doubt that they were the ones who decided what vehicles, how many and how many agents were needed to guard 'em.

I worked for many years with adults with Downs Syndrome and I look back very fondly on all those unique and loving individuals. I couldn't imagine a world without them.

My first pregnancy was at 38 and my second at 44. I refused amio both times because there was no way it would have affected my decision to continue either pregnancy.

In parenthood, there are no guarantees. In the 1980s & 90s, I was a case manager with a case load of adults with serious mental illness (schizophrenia, depression, personality disorders) and brain injuries. There's no prenatal test for those disorders.

OK, I found the rebuttal to her first comment about the chance she would vote for McCain/Palin. Listen to Colmes say about being "not so sure" at 0.40. So it must have been on Hanity and Colmes when she said she was considering McCain/Palin. Again, she was back pedaling about her first comments and probably got scolded from __________ about making such a statement and had to qualify it towards Obama by way of Biden. I'm sane, thank you.

Sorry for the quality.

Your text to link...

re: #17 _Felix

They can't.
Only a constitutional amendment passed by Congress could do that.

There is a lot of myth as to the powers of the American President. While the President can act alone on issues of national security --the president does not have legislative power to make or unmake law as he or she happens to just decide or want.

It has to go through Congress.

re: #183 realwest

Thanks Real

Obama doesn't have the ovaries to be President!

re: #155 realwest

Where's the reason for your low post count? And how come your posts, low count or not, are always mud slung at Republicans or attempts to stir up the pot or derail the thread?
However, I will correct myself: you're not a sleeper, nor even a troll because you stuck around out here to "discuss" matters; methinks you may be more Moby than troll or sleeper.

I identify myself as some kind of libertarian. That mean I kind of like conservatives, but they make me uneasy, and I have some outstanding points of disagreement to do with personal liberty where it comes into conflict with tradition.

I'm certainly not left-wing, so (getting out the dictionary) I can't be a moby. If anything I think I associate pro-lifers with socialists, even though I know that's hardly their typical political alignment. They have in common the assigning of rights to humans (or collections of human cells) regardless of whether they deserve those rights or not.

re: #205 _Felix

I identify myself as some kind of libertarian. That mean I kind of like conservatives, but they make me uneasy, and I have some outstanding points of disagreement to do with personal liberty where it comes into conflict with tradition.

I'm certainly not left-wing, so (getting out the dictionary) I can't be a moby. If anything I think I associate pro-lifers with socialists, even though I know that's hardly their typical political alignment. They have in common the assigning of rights to humans (or collections of human cells) regardless of whether they deserve those rights or not.

I consider myself conservative.
I've answered several "issue-oriented" phone polls regarding pro-life, pro-choice, whatever term you prefer.

My answers have been consistent:
I don't think a woman should be thrown in jail for having an abortion.
I don't think I should be required to respect the decision, either.

The female pollsters hang up on me.
The male pollsters have replied "that's pretty cold".
I don't know what their point is: it's cold, and that's what I think.

re: #198 Truck Monkey

I somehow think that Christ would not be proud of what happensthat abomination at his hospital.

re: #119 Random63

I remember the evening after Geraldine Ferraro was named the VP candidate. Some network reporter was interviewing a Republican party official and smugly asked him what he thought about the Dem's nominating the first woman VP. The Republican party official smiled and said that the Dem's may nominate the first female VP or female President, but the Republicans will elect the first female VP or President. The reporter had no comeback for that statement. Now over 25 years later, we may be seeing his prediction come true.

The Republicans will probably also be the first to get a black elected to be President.

Folks, I don't think Felix is a troll. Just posed a question and as he says it WAS mentioned in the article.

Many other's after him have posted far more detailed discussion on the "A" issue. Just saying, I don't get the impression he/she was trying to cause trouble.

His question was actually whether they would make it illegal and that should be COULD they not would they. NO --neither McCain nor Palin as the President nor Vice President can make it illegal.

Even selecting judges has to have Congressional approval.

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

The Republicans will probably also be the first to get a black elected to be President.

Palin/J.C. Watts?
Watts has dropped off the radar, but I always liked him.

Except for the year he prevented the Big Red Machine from getting to the National Championship.

re: #136 Killgore Trout

The UN springs into action......
U.N.: Israel should pay Lebanon $1 billion

I posted this to the links yesterday.
Since this is going to the Security Council, the US can (and had better) veto it.
Or modify it to allow Israel reparations for all the damage done. And by all, I include any reparations Israel is supposed to pay to the people who started it.

Another good reason to get the US out of the UN

re: #210 jwb7605

Palin/J.C. Watts?
Watts has dropped off the radar, but I always liked him.

Except for the year he prevented the Big Red Machine from getting to the National Championship.

I don't know who, but I'm just making the prediction.

re: #51 MandyManners

Presidents do not make law.

I'm gonna ace this pop quiz!

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

The Republicans will probably also be the first to get a black elected to be President.

Regardless of what you think about him now, the Presidency was Colin Powell's for the asking.

re: #214 Son of the Black Dog

Regardless of what you think about him now, the Presidency was Colin Powell's for the asking.

*shudder*

re: #211 Kosh's Shadow

Another good reason to get the US out of the UN

What are the chances of this actually happening? If it did, where do you suppose their headquarters would be?

re: #210 jwb7605

Palin/J.C. Watts?
Watts has dropped off the radar, but I always liked him.

Except for the year he prevented the Big Red Machine from getting to the National Championship.

;......and he's supporting Obama!

re: #206 jwb7605

My answers have been consistent:
I don't think a woman should be thrown in jail for having an abortion.
I don't think I should be required to respect the decision, either.

The female pollsters hang up on me.
The male pollsters have replied "that's pretty cold".
I don't know what their point is: it's cold, and that's what I think.

Heh. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. I don't get the issue there. Possibly I am broken in some way, but a world full of people who disagree strongly with one another and nevertheless leave one another unmolested seems ideal.

re: #217 eschew_obfuscation

;......and he's supporting Obama!

I heard he was originally "leaning that way" and admitted it was "the black thing".
Did that change?

re: #185 jwb7605

Huh?
Are you saying Palin was a chapter President?
Honest. I didn't know that, if that is true. If it is true, then goodonher.
linky?

That was in reference to Tammy Bruce, not Palin.

Not if, but when Sarah Palin takes office, she will have achieved for women what has been so far denied. More importantly, she brings a fresh perspective on the role of government that has been in the undercurrent for a long time, but has now been given center stage in the national audience.

More importantly, she will allow the color of an individual to not be an issue in future elections. Once the ceiling on white men is broken, anyone can run in....without regard to race, gender, or whatever. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against white men....mostly I have an arguement with the white men in the democrat party who will let me know what I need and when I need it. They continue the master/slave relationship with the subtle belief that they are always more equal then the rest of us. I want them out of my government, out of my life.

Go Sarah.

re: #27 DVAPREZ

I think strong women are HOT!

I regret that I have but one upding to give for your comment.

I love Tammy Bruce,

and Gov. Sarah Palin!

re: #80 turn

I agree for the most part, but let's not forget that crafty bastard McCain wanted to spring Liberman on us!

Me thinks that was a "false-flag" op.

re: #1 Sharmuta

Dare I say it? Palin/Bruce 2016!

I wouldn't mind a female president, but you have to keep testosterone within sniffin' distance of the White House.

re: #17 _Felix

So, McCain and Palin won't make abortion illegal? Or will they just do that without focusing on it?

How?
I may be demonstrating my ignorance, but how can the president make abortion illegal?
Is an executive order the law of the land?
What about the misguided thinking of 5 men? is that the law of the land?
Does an abortion prohibition effect all women or only irresponsible women?

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My problem is the WAY in which T. Bruce et al attacked Bush. Calling him a moron, idiot, etc. That's what the other side does.

Again, I ask, when was Bush's position on Immigration ( or any issue really ) shrouded? The guy is transparent in his beliefs. Why the vitriol? It's a turn off and only emboldens the Idiotarians.

re: #36 The Other Les

greatest insight ever (no matter where you got it)

re: #104 _Felix

My main impulse for posting is usually to be argumentative and off-message. And I probably am quite ignorant about American politics. Often best not to say anything.

That rule works in all circumstances when ignorance and arguement are paramount

re: #226 Mr Spiffy

Does an abortion prohibition effect all women or only irresponsible women?

I'm apparently not allowed to comment on this, but I've got an opinion here, and I'm thinking it. I might actually dare voice it. Nobody panic.

Tell you what, imagine if instead of women getting pregnant by having sex, men got pregnant by drinking beer. (They could use some kind of protection, but it would still happen every once in a blue moon even if they were careful.) Would your message to any of those men with unintended pregnancies be that they shouldn't have been so irresponsible to go drinking without being ready to accept another baby into their life, and they should just get used to the prospect now?

I think that might actually make sense if you support the right to life ... if you do, then people risking pregnancies they don't want are irresponsible; if you don't, then they aren't. So this question is kind of circular.

re: #230 _Felix

I'm apparently not allowed to comment on this, but I've got an opinion here, and I'm thinking it. I might actually dare voice it. Nobody panic.

Tell you what, imagine if instead of women getting pregnant by having sex, men got pregnant by drinking beer. (They could use some kind of protection, but it would still happen every once in a blue moon even if they were careful.) Would your message to any of those men with unintended pregnancies be that they shouldn't have been so irresponsible to go drinking without being ready to accept another baby into their life, and they should just get used to the prospect now?

I think that might actually make sense if you support the right to life ... if you do, then people risking pregnancies they don't want are irresponsible; if you don't, then they aren't. So this question is kind of circular.

Use this argument the next time a woman gets pregnant by masturbation.
You stupid sexist twit*

*This statement does not necessarily represent the Spiffy opinion but it sure comes close

re: #231 Mr Spiffy

Use this argument the next time a woman gets pregnant by masturbation.
You stupid sexist twit*

Huh? I don't understand. You seem to be pointing to the fact that sex requires a man as well as a woman. And..?

*This statement does not necessarily represent the Spiffy opinion but it sure comes close

That's OK, I internally edited out the stupid and twit parts, which were clearly typing errors.

The whole men and beer thing was irrelevant really, but I put it in because I thought Mr. Spiffy might be being, you know, sexist. Lots of people seem to think women have a duty to have children (and do all the caring for them, too) because of their gender.

re: #206 jwb7605

I consider myself conservative.
I've answered several "issue-oriented" phone polls regarding pro-life, pro-choice, whatever term you prefer.

My answers have been consistent:
I don't think a woman should be thrown in jail for having an abortion.
I don't think I should be required to respect the decision, either.

The female pollsters hang up on me.
The male pollsters have replied "that's pretty cold".
I don't know what their point is: it's cold, and that's what I think.

Not to mention that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to PAY for those abortions.

re: #233 ploome hineni

I don't entirely understand what you're saying, either. Looks to me like you just said that minority women are likely to be forced into sex and then get abortions to avoid having the babies they probably didn't want. I don't see how that's an argument against abortion (if that's your viewpoint).

Maybe you're saying that they're forced into the sex and into the abortions, and then that would be a bad thing, but it would be a separate thing from the question of whether abortion itself in general is good or bad.

You can't say you should take a thing away just because some people misuse it ... that would be an argument for, I don't know, gun control.

Oh, maybe you were saying that the women wouldn't be forced into sex if the men couldn't rely on the abortions. Still, the above point stands: the answer is that the men should be prevented from doing the rapes. (Also, if this is what Mr. Spiffy meant when he called me sexist, then it wouldn't be the women being irresponsible, would it?)

I think the question of when a human (or proto-human) deserves the right to life is the only relevant question, and it's an intractable question that causes long arguments, and everything else is just beating around the bush.

re: #237 ploome hineni

obviously something your deluded mother must have been thinking

My highly deluded mother thought a lot of things. She was a member of CND, for instance. I try not to let her influence me.

Also, that was a cheap shot. Women can have babies without considering it a duty. And I sure as hell wouldn't want it to be my duty, I have plans, whatever Palin says about babies not getting in the way. Possibly I could work around an attached watermelon in a sling, too, but that doesn't mean I'll accept a duty to have one of those just because somebody tells me my sex befits it.

re: #240 ploome hineni

that having been said, your statement
[...]
is too repugnant

when and why do YOU deserve the right to life

I know, it is repugnant. I tiptoe around saying that somebody deserves to die. (Mind you, something similar happens when I try to say that there should be no right to publicly funded health care.)

Thing is, if you don't ask what rights are, and who has them and why - and in particular what good it does to have things that way - they're just a dogma.

Some people think that animals have rights, for instance, to the extent that there shouldn't be any meat farming; PETA types. If our assertion is simply "humans have rights because they're human", that can't compete very well with their "animals have rights because they're alive". There has to be some reasoning behind the blank assertion, or it's worthless.

I don't really know the answer, by the way. It's a rather tough question.

re: #235 _Felix

The whole men and beer thing was irrelevant really, but I put it in because I thought Mr. Spiffy might be being, you know, sexist. Lots of people seem to think women have a duty to have children (and do all the caring for them, too) because of their gender.

not around here they don't

For the first time in my adult life, I'm really proud to be an American woman...

re: #242 _Felix

I don't really know the answer, by the way. It's a rather tough question.

Try the minimalist response:
If a pregnant woman does nothing "special" (just eat a healthy diet and moderate exercise) in nine months she winds up with the greatest thing on earth.

It ain't a tumor.

Just to change the subject--

All you football fans who were winners yesterday "Congratulations"

If your team (like mine) lost "next week"

If you hate football "only 5 1/2 months to go"

re: #247 Mr Spiffy

Try the minimalist response:
If a pregnant woman does nothing "special" (just eat a healthy diet and moderate exercise) in nine months she winds up with the greatest thing on earth.

It ain't a tumor.

That's nice dear. OK, I'm going to log out now, before Ploome thinks of any more oblique insults, and avoid this topic in future. Unless there's actually a thread on it. Which would be cool.

re: #205 _Felix

I identify myself as some kind of libertarian. That mean I kind of like conservatives, but they make me uneasy, and I have some outstanding points of disagreement to do with personal liberty where it comes into conflict with tradition.

I'm certainly not left-wing, so (getting out the dictionary) I can't be a moby. If anything I think I associate pro-lifers with socialists, even though I know that's hardly their typical political alignment. They have in common the assigning of rights to humans (or collections of human cells) regardless of whether they deserve those rights or not.

Your libertarianism seems run close to anarchy. Bob is 25 years old. Does he have any rights? The founding fathers though so. E.g. his right to property creates the need to punish robbers. So most folk think that people have rights by default (un-earned), including the right not be killed. The question at hand is when does a person gain that right. You seem to be taking a moral stand on the issue having to do with earning that right.

What does it take to earn the right not to be killed?

re: #192 _Felix

I made this ugly, creepy avatar myself, you know. The full thing is animated:
...

That is just horrible.
What kind of promotional image are you trying to create for yourself?

The Repups, indeed, got a boost from the Palin nomination. If they are to capitalise on that momentum they will need to starkly repeat that they will keep taxes low and restrain spending. Oh, and not retreat from victory in the middle-east.
Did anyone find it interesting that Pres. Bush pulled a civilian nuclear deal with the Russians from Congressional consideration. Hitting the Russians financially will probably be the only way to make them behave.
What would be really cool would, through cyber espionage, to raid Putin's bank axccounts and give his money to charity.

This article explains exactly how I feel. As a life long Democrat and contributor to National Organization for Women, Planned Parenthood, and a Hillary supporter, I will be voting for McCain/Palin.

re: #144 Nevergiveup

Most of my liberal co-religionists and many liberals would answer yes to that. Sad to say.

I'm more concerned about keeping my right to leave the house without a man's permission and a burkha on...