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Obama and Biden Voted for 'Bridge to Nowhere'

Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:00:54 pm PDT

Now that the Democrats are rabidly attacking Sarah Palin over the Alaskan Ketchikan bridge, claiming she lied about shutting down the project, it might be a good moment to point out that both Barack Obama and Joe Biden voted for the Bridge to Nowhere.

Now that Alaska is front and center in the news again, it is a good time to catch up on a favorite story, The Bridge to Nowhere, using the Washington Post US Congress Votes Database.

Though Gov. Palin originally supported the earmark spending on the Ketchikan bridge (“to nowhere), she eventually killed the project, chosing to spend Federal money on other infrasturcture programs.

However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief.

(Hat tip: jimzinsocal.)

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1 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:02:24pm

And who said Obama never did anything?

2 Racer X  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:02:30pm

Thats not the bridge I knew.

3 Semper Gumbi  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:02:50pm

oops, that's gonna hurt!

4 jorline  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:03:12pm

Looks like there's two flat tires on that road...and Palin placed the spike strip.

5 infidel Alan  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:03:20pm

Don't expect to see this in the MSM.

6 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:03:38pm
However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief.

Busted! Who cares about Katrina now, suckas?

7 jorline  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:04:01pm

Obama doesn't have the ovaries to be President.

8 bosforus  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:04:08pm

Why is it that every rock they "turn over" against Palin finds Obama trying to squirm his way out before anyone notices?

9 Racer X  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:04:22pm
However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief.


Hello, Hypocrisy? Call on line two.

10 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:04:30pm
'Bridge to Nowhere'

Not only did they vote for it, but they're also about to take a long drive down it.

11 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:04:31pm

I feel like I'm dreaming.

12 simpleman  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:04:42pm

Hope to nowhere

13 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:04:49pm
14 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:05:06pm

Can things get any better?

15 jemima  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:05:08pm

I'm rubber you're glue, anything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.
This election must be a nightmare for them. They are so dirty they can't go anywhere without it being used against them.

16 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:05:57pm

0bama & biden would rather build a bridge to nowhere than fix levies!

They put Alaska before New Orleans! Racists!

17 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:06:03pm

Obama's new book: The Audacity of Palin.

18 jorline  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:06:13pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

Busted! Who cares about Katrina now, suckas?

Very good point Sharm...McCain needs to ask about this during the first debate. No aid for Katrina victims...GOP and Bush's fault.

19 maddogg  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:06:19pm

Democrats just love to waste other people's money. It gives then the illusion of accomplishment. Change!

20 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:06:22pm
However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief.

Obama and Biden hate black people!

/they blew up the levees

21 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:06:24pm

Obama - "Shit, I meant to vote 'present'"

22 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:07:06pm
23 Salem  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:07:18pm

This illustrates why it's over for Obomba. They have nothing.

24 ladycatnip  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:07:20pm

Their arrogance will be their undoing. They must think we're too stupid to notice when they step in it.

*sniff, sniff* do you smell what I smell?

25 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:07:24pm

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

I am not up to making new lyrics. But wouldn't this song be even better to use?

/or just use it unmodified

26 jorline  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:07:24pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

Obama - "Shit, I meant to vote 'present'"

Now that's funny...ding

Good to see you Walter.

27 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:07:29pm

Of course! It's not their money!

28 jcm  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:07:30pm
Senator Barack Obama on Thursday released a list of $740 million in earmarked spending requests that he had made over the last three years,

Sen. Barack Obama sought more than $3.4 million in congressional earmarks for clients of the lobbyist son of his Democratic running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden

"[Biden] is an avid supporter of pork barrel spending, supporting the Bridge to Nowhere in 2005 and winning the ignominious Porker of the Month award from Citizens Against Government Waste in January 2002. Biden has been reliably anti-trade and pro-government regulation."

John McCain: "one of five senators to reject earmarks entirely, part of his long-standing view that such measures prompt needless spending."

Nuff said.

29 callahan23  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:07:56pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

Obama - "Shit, I meant to vote 'present'"

Isn't that what he always did?

30 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:08:09pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

Obama - "Shit, I meant to vote 'present'"

LOL!

"Where's my Kools?"

31 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:08:14pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

"Pork? Pork is a good thing!" Sen. Obama

32 SixDegrees  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:08:15pm

Obama and Biden both voting for pork-barrel earmarks.

Now that's Change You Can Believe In!

33 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:08:17pm

Those two are going nowhere.

34 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:08:28pm

re: #17 ciaospirit

Obama's new book: The Audacity of Palin.


That deserves a round of updings!

35 jemima  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:08:43pm

Pork. It's the other white meat.

/racist

36 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:08:56pm

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

How many Katrina sandbags could all that money have filled?

Or freezers, in the case of William Jefferson?

37 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:09:28pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

Obama - "Shit, I meant to vote 'present'"


If this were Obama's blog, the dings would have a third button.

38 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:09:56pm

re: #36 Ward Cleaver

Or freezers, in the case of William Jefferson?

Are we talking side by side or full size freezer?

39 Wishing  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:10:01pm

I bet O takes up the Kools again...nerves shot and all.....

40 simpleman  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:10:08pm

I'm surprised Obama would vote for any bridge at anytime. If he can walk on water he should do just that. It's free.

41 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:10:30pm

re: #38 Nevergiveup

Are we talking side by side or full size freezer?

Chest type.

42 jorline  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:10:41pm

re: #36 Ward Cleaver

Or freezers, in the case of William Jefferson?

LOL...how many freezers can one guy have.

Brings a whole new meaning to "cold Hard cash".

43 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:10:58pm

So- when faced with a choice to help Katrina victims or engage in politics as usual, 0bama/biden chose politics twice- once by voting for this earmark to Alaska over the victims of the hurricane, then a second time by using the hurricane victims as political tools to help them pander.

Sick.

44 701c  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:11:02pm

I live in Ketchikan and I want all the bridges we can get.

45 mattm  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:11:18pm

They take one step forward and about six steps back every time a new scandal comes up or they speak.

46 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:11:31pm

re: #28 jcm

Nuff said.

Good stuff, jcm.

47 ladycatnip  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:11:58pm

#28 jcm

Sen. Barack Obama sought more than $3.4 million in congressional earmarks for clients of the lobbyist son of his Democratic running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden

Can you get more in bed than this?

jcm, this is good stuff.

48 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:12:05pm

Kamikaze kandidates.

49 Talking Stick  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:12:58pm

Defeating these Palin smears is a little like shooting clay pigeons [or jack rabbits] and does have a certain entertainment value. It would be interesting if some bean counter can tell us when we reach 100 smears from the MSM echo chamber factory....at the rate we are going that could later today!

50 gwillie  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:13:14pm

Are you sure Obama didn't vote present?

51 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:13:33pm

re: #32 SixDegrees

Obama and Biden both voting for pork-barrel earmarks.

Now that's Change You Can Believe In!

Change - from our hand to theirs!

52 rorschach  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:14:05pm

If the republicans win this election, it will have been due to unfair political dirty tricks.

After all, it was extremely mean and unethical of John McCain to choose Sarah Palin when the dems insisted that he pick Leiberman or Ridge. How dare he.

53 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:14:17pm

re: #51 Ward Cleaver

Change - from our hand to theirs!

Change - what's left in my pocket after getting pummeled in taxes. Thanks Obama!

54 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:14:32pm

Obama never should have admitted that he was sensitive about the size of his earmarks.

55 Claire  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:14:38pm

They both voted for it too? Hahaha, beautiful!

56 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:14:46pm

So it seems the first people the 0bama campaign really tossed under the bus was Katrina victims.

57 jcm  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:14:55pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

Obama never should have admitted that he was sensitive about the size of his earmarks.

ROLFMAO!

58 jorline  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:15:06pm

Any bets on whether that bridge was going to have a tollbooth or two?

59 opnion  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:15:13pm

God, they're doofus. Maybe Obama can blunt all of this by releasing some of his eloquent contributions to the Harvard Law Review.
Oh wait, he didn't write anything.

60 mattm  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:15:46pm

re: #52 rorschach

The Dems must be wishing he did about now.

61 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:15:48pm

Bill Clinton could get away with these kinds of double-talking smears, because he had such charm that people believed him.

Neither Obama nor Biden have that kind of charm; and I think that Democrat attacks on McCain and Palin, such as this one, are not going to work as well as they used to (and in fact, some may backfire).

62 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:15:51pm

What no "present" vote? That is one issue, gone for the Dems.

63 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:15:59pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

Obama never should have admitted that he was sensitive about the size of his earmarks.

lol, lol

64 Sizzlack  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:16:03pm

Hey at least he voted FOR it and didn't just vote PRESENT.

/

65 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:16:26pm
66 jorline  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:16:38pm

{reine}

Welcome home girl.

67 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:17:08pm

re: #66 jorline

{reine}

Welcome home girl.

Ditto!

68 iceman1960  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:17:38pm

Finally an accomplishment the Dems can point to when asked what Obama has done in his short career.

69 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:17:42pm

re: #66 jorline

{reine}

Welcome home girl.

You were missed Reine.

70 MJBrutus  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:17:56pm

So now they're throwing an entire bridge under the bus. Well, that almost makes sense :-)

71 Wishing  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:18:45pm

maybe O saw the mayor of New Orleans as a threat....

72 jimzinsocal  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:18:48pm

Hey Charles. Cool. Glad I found that stuff and its clear for everyone how the vote went. A no vote means to keep the $ inplace rather than divert it
to Katrina. Explained in the responses.

73 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:19:03pm

re: #58 jorline

Any bets on whether that bridge was going to have a tollbooth or two?

Hiya Jorline
It seems obama was bullet proof when he hid from his record
but Sarah is now bullet proof because she runs on her record..
See how that works barry?

74 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:19:04pm

re: #66 jorline

re: #67 scottishbuzzsaw

Thank y'all! It's good to be back. Got internet back yesterday, but it's been spotty, was out this morning. It's good to be back where I can get some information!

JORLINE - Hopefully it won't be your turn next, with IKE!

75 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:19:05pm

Sen. Kennedy is taking off the rest of the year. Gee nice work if you can get it?

76 DesertSage  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:19:30pm

The Left has developed a bad case of PDS.
(Palin Derangement Syndrome)

77 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:19:34pm

Intrade:

obama:54
McCain: 44

Battleground States ///Obama ////McCain ////Spread
Colorado................... 45.3 ........44.3 ......Obama +1.0
Nevada ....................44.3 .........45.3 ......McCain +1.0
Michigan ..................45.3 .........42.0....... Obama +3.3
Ohio .......................44.0 ..........45.3 .......McCain +1.3
Pennsylvania ............48.0 ..........43.3 ........Obama +4.7
Florida ....................43.4 ..........46.0 .........McCain +2.6

78 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:19:51pm

re: #69 Sharmuta

You were missed Reine.


(blush) thanks. I missed y'all, too!

79 GeeWiz  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:19:57pm

re: #31 Conservative in Liberal Hands

"Pork? Pork is a good thing!" Sen. Obama

Pork, the other white meat!

80 Billy Hank  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:20:15pm

Moonbats firmly believe that stuff about foolish consistencies being "hobblegobins" to dull and ordinary minds. They are so refined and nuanced that they eschew consistency from their political masters.

81 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:20:18pm

re: #66 jorline

{reine}

Welcome home girl.

Ditto.. Hurrah reine is back!

82 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:20:55pm
83 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:20:59pm

re: #81 HoosierHoops

Ditto.. Hurrah reine is back!

Howdy, HH, hope things are well with you!
Good to be back . . .

84 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:21:15pm

re: #74 reine.de.tout

{reine} Not the same without the Queen!

85 rain of lead  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:21:27pm

"when you are in a hole, stop digging"

these losers have dropped the shovel, skipped the backhoe, and gone
straight to atomic blasting. they are too frakking stupid to grasp that
every time they make another slur against sara'cuda they lose another
2-3 points in the polls.

keep it up numbnuts.....see you in november :)

86 kay1212  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:21:30pm

The Wall St Jnl is running an above the fold story about Palin and her support/non-support for the project. They mention she kept the money but directed it to better projects.

However, they don't mention the Biden and Obama votes.

The Journal fights hard to remain independent [unlike the rest of the MSM] so I thought maybe McCain/Palin was in trouble for this bridge story.

Thank goodness for LGF. Once again, we see how Obama/Biden will shoot themselves in the foot.

87 opnion  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:21:35pm

The hypocrisy is so thick here.
The Annenberg Challenge papers should show that this twit Barry shoveled cash to slumlord Rezko.
He also did it with public funds.
Rezkos 31 properties were so bad that appliances broke within months & half were whiteout heat in the Winter.
Eleven of the properties were right in Barry's district & Rezko gets him a big cash break on his Hyde Park mansion

88 SummerSong  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:21:40pm

Ha! That's another "oops".

89 jcm  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:21:47pm

re: #61 reine.de.tout

Bill Clinton could get away with these kinds of double-talking smears, because he had such charm that people believed him.

Neither Obama nor Biden have that kind of charm; and I think that Democrat attacks on McCain and Palin, such as this one, are not going to work as well as they used to (and in fact, some may backfire).

Welcome back!

90 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:22:04pm

re: #76 DesertSage

The Left has developed a bad case of PDS.
(Palin Derangement Syndrome)

For the first time in his adult life that the phrase "pale in comparison" gives Obama the shakes.

91 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:22:38pm

re: #74 reine.de.tout


How about some meat and potato and a little punkin' pie as a welcome back dinner lol

92 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:22:46pm
93 GeeWiz  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:22:50pm

re: #35 jemima

Beat me to it! GMTA!

94 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:22:58pm
95 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:23:10pm

Did you all know exactly what a "community organizer" is? I didn't, but Byron York has a great article on NRO today that does some indept on Obama in his organizing days. Here is the last part of it..

Has any of that brought about the change Obama spoke of back in 1985? Not in any large sense. But if Obama doesn’t have much to show for his years as an organizer, it’s fair to say that many of the people he touched revere him deeply. Remember what Loretta Augustine-Herron said: Obama had such a powerful presence that he made her believe he could do the job, even though there was little in his résumé to suggest he could. Does that sound familiar to anyone who has watched the Obama campaign? When hope is the product, Obama can sell it with the best of them.

When he left for law school, Obama wondered what he had accomplished as an organizer. He certainly had some achievements, but he did not — perhaps could not — concede that there might be something wrong with his approach to Chicago’s problems. Instead of questioning his own premises, he concluded that he simply needed more power to get the job done. So he made plans to run for political office. And in each successive office, he has concluded that he did not have enough power to get the job done, so now he is running for the most powerful office in the land.

And what if he gets it? He’ll be the biggest, strongest organizer in the world. He’ll dazzle the country with his message of hope and possibility. But we shouldn’t expect much to actually get done.

96 jorline  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:23:23pm

re: #74 reine.de.tout

re: #67 scottishbuzzsaw

Thank y'all! It's good to be back. Got internet back yesterday, but it's been spotty, was out this morning. It's good to be back where I can get some information!

JORLINE - Hopefully it won't be your turn next, with IKE!

I hear ya reine. We already played with Emily earlier last month. I think this one has it's eyes on Houston.

Thanks for the pics...I'm glad everyone's safe and it wasn't any worse.

97 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:24:01pm

re: #91 Typicalwhitey

How about some meat and potato and a little punkin' pie as a welcome back dinner lol

Don't forget whipped cream for that punkin' pie!

98 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:24:12pm

re: #89 jcm

Welcome back!

thanks! good to be here.

99 Glaucon  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:24:15pm

Biden voted FOR the Bridge to Nowhere and AGAINST the trans-Alaska oil pipeline.

Priorities, people.

100 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:24:49pm

re: #97 scottishbuzzsaw

Don't forget whipped cream for that punkin' pie!

already been to the store ;)

101 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:24:57pm

re: #91 Typicalwhitey

How about some meat and potato and a little punkin' pie as a welcome back dinner lol


You lucky thing...I nominate Typicalwhitey as luckiest Lizard of the day..
What did sarah talk about?

102 jorline  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:25:15pm

Time to head home...BBL

103 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:25:16pm

re: #92 ploome hineni

reine who?

Who dat? Who is dat Ploome person and why does she think she's important?

104 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:25:23pm

re: #99 Glaucon

Biden voted FOR the Bridge to Nowhere and AGAINST the trans-Alaska oil pipeline.

Priorities, people.

It takes a Superior intellect to navigate the thought process on those votes?

105 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:25:26pm

re: #61 reine.de.tout

Hi, glad to see you back. Ah, where did you go? I was sulking the last 7 days, so I missed some things.

106 NemoParticularis  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:25:37pm

Once more they try to torpedo her. Once more the topedoes come back to sink them.

The Alaskan wilderness is littered with the political corpses of those who underestimted Sarah Palin. Not for nothing they call her Arctic Fox.

SARAH'CUDA 2008

107 Pygmalienation  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:25:56pm

This is soooo rich!
I've been going back and forth with an uber lib ex-girlfriend about the Governor Palin VP pick and the election in general. I mentioned that with the lies, obfuscation, hypocrisy and slimy tactics employed by the Dems, I could NEVER vote for a Dem again in my life. I used to pride myself on not ever voting a straight ticket, but come this November, I'll PROUDLY vote straight Republican. I also feel that I'm not alone in this sentiment...I think I was able to shut her up by firing the earlier Tammy Bruce article (thanks, Charles for posting that!). Time will tell.

108 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:26:04pm

re: #36 Ward Cleaver

Or freezers, in the case of William Jefferson?

Yes indeed. I love how Ms Pelosi has given us "the most ethical congress in history".

/how's that going for ya, Nancy? Do ya like that 13 percent approval rating?

109 Sounder  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:26:14pm

More stories for the memory hole!

110 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:26:50pm

re: #91 Typicalwhitey

How about some meat and potato and a little punkin' pie as a welcome back dinner lol

I knew I was going to miss the Rep convention, after suffering thru the Dem one. I really wanted to hear Palin. Blast it all!

111 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:27:42pm
112 kynna  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:28:15pm

So the first substantive issue they even half talk about comes back to bite them on the ass.

But thanks for the opening. Let's start talkin' pork, shall we fellas?

113 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:28:29pm

This is brutal.

114 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:28:34pm

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

Hi, glad to see you back. Ah, where did you go? I was sulking the last 7 days, so I missed some things.

Walter - so glad you're not sulking anymore, bad for the soul. I had a power outage for almost a week due to Hurricane Gustav. I was miserable, can I tell ya! Missed my A/C, and missed LGF, plus the Roi de Rien expected me to actually, like, work in the yard to clean things up. Yech.

115 SouthAmericanWay  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:28:50pm

Reminder of the day:

Have you been volunteering for McCain-Palin? Have you contributed to the McCain Compliance Fund? Are you relentlessly trying to convince your relatives, friends, colleagues not to vote for the most radical candidate in American history?

Remember: we cannot stop working for McCain-Palin until the very end. Nothing is certain. No single voter may be taken for granted.

116 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:28:50pm

re: #101 HoosierHoops

You lucky thing...I nominate Typicalwhitey as luckiest Lizard of the day..
What did sarah talk about?

Kinda hard to hear her over the cheering lol

Basically a variation of her acceptance speech, much shorter, gave a lot of reasons as to why McCain is the MacDaddy lol.

Said what an honor it is to serve with him and that they really want to make things different in Washington.

McCain said that he needed Missouri to win and that he promised to cut pork, encourage growth in small business and large with lower taxes and that he will serve US.
After the rally, we all got McCain yard signs and times and dates for phone banking and door to doors.
I am signing up!

117 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:28:52pm

The ineptness of the Obama campaign continues to amaze me. They seem to want to script more campaign ads for McCain than the McCain campaign does.

I'm still waiting to hear how many electoral votes "New Pennsylvania" has...

118 Racer X  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:28:55pm

Paris Hilton is pregnant!

/ / / Obama wet dream.

119 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:29:18pm

re: #95 Beach Lover

Did you all know exactly what a "community organizer" is? I didn't, but Byron York has a great article on NRO today that does some indept on Obama in his organizing days. Here is the last part of it..

Instead of questioning his own premises, he concluded that he simply needed more power to get the job done. So he made plans to run for political office. And in each successive office, he has concluded that he did not have enough power to get the job done, so now he is running for the most powerful office in the land.

Complex. Yet so simple. And the job he wants to get done? Socialist America.

120 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:30:09pm

re: #23 Salem

This illustrates why it's over for Obomba. They have nothing.

They have less than that. They're PROGRESSIVES!

121 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:30:15pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

I knew I was going to miss the Rep convention, after suffering thru the Dem one. I really wanted to hear Palin. Blast it all!

reine those are pictures from a rally I went to today.
I was about five rows back and took those pictures myself!

122 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:31:10pm

re: #111 NoSubmission

Palin Action Figures on Sale.


LOL! And she said:

"We went right from the convention to small town USA," she said. "It's true that they grow good people, people who are working hard for America.

"You love your country in good times and bad and you're always proud to be Americans."

123 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:31:23pm
124 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:31:48pm

re: #121 Typicalwhitey

reine those are pictures from a rally I went to today.
I was about five rows back and took those pictures myself!

Whoa! How lucky were you!

125 kynna  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:31:50pm

re: #117 Yankee Division Son

The ineptness of the Obama campaign continues to amaze me. They seem to want to script more campaign ads for McCain than the McCain campaign does.

I'm still waiting to hear how many electoral votes "New Pennsylvania" has...

And running a presidential campaign is apparently his qualification for the presidency.

Scary, ain't it?

126 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:31:57pm

re: #91 Typicalwhitey

How about some meat and potato and a little punkin' pie as a welcome back dinner lol

Great pictures! Lucky YOU!

127 Carridine  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:32:55pm
Senator Obama, when you demanded pork with your waffles, did you EVER think your waitress would deliver Reform to you?

Barack: No, but it doesn't matter, what with all the crow I'm eating!

128 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:33:01pm

re: #124 reine.de.tout

I bet they had to turn away around 10,000 people.
It was an indoor rally, about 3000 could get in.

129 Nancy  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:33:17pm

However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief.

Even the Coburn amendment to shift the funds to Katrina was BEFORE Sarah Palin was Governor.

As someone mentioned on the previous thread and as I have also heard from friends in Alaska --this isn't even a big issue. It was a nice idea, when it turned out that it would cost double the estimated amount it wasn't as good of idea. The money was better used for other infrastructure projects.

I have no idea where Obama-Biden think they are going by continuing to raise this bridge and how she changed her mind when she became governor. All it is going to do is show how fiscally responsible she is in abandoning a project that was too costly.

She did not violate any campaign promise or commitment --which is what they seem to want to imply. She support the idea as did most Alaskans. And so too did most Alaskans support her decision to NOT go ahead with it.

130 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:33:26pm

re: #128 Typicalwhitey

I bet they had to turn away around 10,000 people.
It was an indoor rally, about 3000 could get in.

How early did you have to arrive?

131 opnion  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:33:30pm

re: #123 Sharmuta

Here's the entire roll call on the Coburn Amendment.


McCain, not voting. Anyone know why?

132 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:33:36pm

re: #125 kynna

And running a presidential campaign is apparently his qualification for the presidency.

Scary, ain't it?

Yup.. I've heard many in the MSM claiming this, it's always good for a laugh, I can't help but wonder if he'll claim it during a debate with McCain... (please!)

133 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:33:39pm

re: #114 reine.de.tout

Walter - so glad you're not sulking anymore, bad for the soul. I had a power outage for almost a week due to Hurricane Gustav. I was miserable, can I tell ya! Missed my A/C, and missed LGF, plus the Roi de Rien expected me to actually, like, work in the yard to clean things up. Yech.

Ok, now I got it. Kieth Dixon, Artistic Direct of Baton Rouge Little Theatre emailed me and said they had no power at his house. Not a lot of power around town. The theatre has power.

His family and him are sleeping at the theatre since it will be 2-3 weeks before they get the lines fixed to his house.

Our (Miners Alley Playhouse) lighting designer is flying down there Wed. to design the lights for their next production "Chicago." The opening has been rescheduled because of the storm.

I'm glad you are ok. Tell the Roi to eat cake!

134 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:34:16pm

re: #122 scottishbuzzsaw
The doll should also say:


"We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another in San Francisco."

Gah! There really IS an Obama Pez Dispenser! Scroll down..

135 MJBrutus  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:34:26pm

re: #111 NoSubmission

Which in a nutshell may be Hussein's biggest problem. He's losing his star power and Sarah is gaining it! He was a summer fling for the kiddies, but summer is gone now. Yeah, yeah, it's a stupid reason to win or lose an election, but if that's what gets the job done, so be it.

136 Salem  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:34:32pm

The media monopoly is over. They can't control the information we get any longer. There will be no "Fairness Doctrine" because they are being watched now. Quite a few will go insane. They are on trial, now. Matthews and Olbermann are the first indicted. The Media Dark Ages is drawing to a close. Hail the Renaissance!

137 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:34:38pm

re: #130 reine.de.tout

People actually camped out overnight lol.

I got there 3 hours early and was probably number 9000 in line.
However my sister was probably number 100 in line so we joined her!

138 Thor-Zone  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:34:39pm

You could make a good argument about the Ketchikan bridge being pork, but the bridge linking Anchorage and the Mat-Su Valley across the Kink arm actually connects the 2 largest cities in Alaska. It is like being able to build a bridge between Miami and Ft. Lauderdale (if one was needed).

Not exactly a bridge to nowhere.

139 kynna  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:35:06pm

re: #128 Typicalwhitey

I bet they had to turn away around 10,000 people.
It was an indoor rally, about 3000 could get in.

How did you get in? Were there tickets or did you go camp in line? Looks like you had a great seat.

I'd love to go to a rally. I wonder if they'll just do a drive-by in SoCal. This stupid area isn't likely to turn anytime soon. >:(

140 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:35:11pm

CAIR weaselling on FNC right now...

141 Dianna  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:35:22pm

re: #113 formercorpsman

And it's only going to get worse.

142 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:35:29pm

re: #129 Nancy

It is a pretty simple explanation. They think the American electorate is stupid (not surprising with all the bots that follow them). They think associating BTN to Sarah Palin will make us magically chant a mantra of hope and change.

143 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:35:34pm

re: #135 MJBrutus

Which in a nutshell may be Hussein's biggest problem. He's losing his star power and Sarah is gaining it! He was a summer fling for the kiddies, but summer is gone now. Yeah, yeah, it's a stupid reason to win or lose an election, but if that's what gets the job done, so be it.

He didn't lose it.

Somehow she STOLE it from him.
I don't know how this happened but it did.

144 Bobblehead  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:36:07pm

re: #128 Typicalwhitey

I bet they had to turn away around 10,000 people.
It was an indoor rally, about 3000 could get in.

How much fun did you have? Stupid question, I know. Tell us all about it.

145 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:36:13pm

re: #136 Salem

I think you nailed it.

Some of the insane reaction is from within the realization that they have diminished influence.

Excellent point.

146 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:36:52pm

re: #139 kynna

It was standing room only and I have been to a town hall and a rally and you didn't need tickets either time.

First come, first serve.

147 opnion  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:36:55pm

re: #135 MJBrutus

Which in a nutshell may be Hussein's biggest problem. He's losing his star power and Sarah is gaining it! He was a summer fling for the kiddies, but summer is gone now. Yeah, yeah, it's a stupid reason to win or lose an election, but if that's what gets the job done, so be it.


Bingo! She is the newest , new thing. There is Obama fatigue, & she will not lose her novelty in two months.

148 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:37:15pm

re: #135 MJBrutus

Which in a nutshell may be Hussein's biggest problem. He's losing his star power and Sarah is gaining it! He was a summer fling for the kiddies, but summer is gone now. Yeah, yeah, it's a stupid reason to win or lose an election, but if that's what gets the job done, so be it.

True, most of the conservative kids are actually studying now, and the liberal loony kids are getting high and will forget when election day is anyway.

149 Thor-Zone  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:37:22pm

re: #36 Ward Cleaver

Or freezers, in the case of William Jefferson?

Whatever happened to that guy?

150 MJBrutus  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:37:29pm

re: #143 Typicalwhitey

I think it was Krauthammer who called her Obama's Krytponite :-)

151 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:37:36pm

re: #131 opnion

McCain, not voting. Anyone know why?

Because he doesn't like earmarks.

152 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:38:04pm

re: #149 Thor-Zone

Whatever happened to that guy?

What else, he is still in congress living high off the hog.

153 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:38:06pm

re: #129 Nancy

However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief.

Even the Coburn amendment to shift the funds to Katrina was BEFORE Sarah Palin was Governor.

As someone mentioned on the previous thread and as I have also heard from friends in Alaska --this isn't even a big issue. It was a nice idea, when it turned out that it would cost double the estimated amount it wasn't as good of idea. The money was better used for other infrastructure projects.

I have no idea where Obama-Biden think they are going by continuing to raise this bridge and how she changed her mind when she became governor. All it is going to do is show how fiscally responsible she is in abandoning a project that was too costly.

She did not violate any campaign promise or commitment --which is what they seem to want to imply. She support the idea as did most Alaskans. And so too did most Alaskans support her decision to NOT go ahead with it.

And I know for a fact that there are a whole lot of folks in and near Massachusetts that wish that someone had had the fortitude to cancel the Big Dig.

154 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:38:07pm

re: #143 Typicalwhitey

He didn't lose it.
Somehow she STOLE it from him.
I don't know how this happened but it did.


Because her authenticity outshines his fluorescent halo.

155 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:38:13pm

re: #44 701c

You forgot the sarc tag.

156 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:38:31pm

re: #144 Bobblehead

It was a blast.

The mood was electric and McCain was so energized!
He is a lot taller and fitter than he looks on tv.

My sister, best friend and I all took our 10 year old daughters.
I told them, pay attention as history is being made and you are a part of it!

157 opnion  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:39:19pm

re: #151 Sharmuta

Because he doesn't like earmarks.

Thak you. It sounds like he is covered & now unleash the hounds on Obama & Biden

158 UFO TOFU  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:39:47pm

OT, but a good read: [Link: bidinotto.journalspace.com...]

159 Thor-Zone  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:40:17pm

re: #52 rorschach

If the republicans win this election, it will have been due to unfair political dirty tricks.

They will scream the election was stolen, again....

160 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:40:24pm

re: #157 opnion

Yes- a "not voting" vote shows he stands by his principles.

161 jake341  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:40:46pm

it seems they were for the bridge, after they were for the bridge. Appropriate; a bridge to nowhere, voted aye by a campaign going nowhere, trying to take America....wait for it.....NOWHERE! How democrat.

162 SummerSong  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:41:09pm

I wonder if we will ever hear this side of the story in the MSM...

163 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:41:31pm

re: #159 Thor-Zone

They will scream the election was stolen, again....

Well to be honest to keep this neophyte commie out of the White House, I'd beg borrow or steal! But that's just me.

164 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:41:33pm

re: #136 Salem

The media monopoly is over. They can't control the information we get any longer. There will be no "Fairness Doctrine" because they are being watched now. Quite a few will go insane. They are on trial, now. Matthews and Olbermann are the first indicted. The Media Dark Ages is drawing to a close. Hail the Renaissance!

It's the Power of the Blogs, in action! You are right, they can no longer control the information we get, and I believe it is part of the reason Matthews and Olbermann melted down so badly, at each other's throats during the Dem convention, on air! They just cannot figure out why they and folks like them are no longer considered to be the best and brightest - and it's because they aren't; the best and brightest are now blogging, imo.

165 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:41:54pm

the Obama and Biden official theme song:

Road to Nowhere - (but the memory hole)

166 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:42:23pm

re: #127 Carridine

Are you certain he wouldn't prefer SQUAB?

167 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:42:37pm

re: #150 MJBrutus

I think it was Krauthammer who called her Obama's Krytponite :-)

It's the damndest thing, I have never seen anything like it.

It is as if she has sucked the life out of him.

168 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:42:57pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

Obama - "Shit, I meant to vote 'present'"

re: #6 Sharmuta

Busted! Who cares about Katrina now, suckas?

Laughing very hard right now.
*bawaaaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa*

169 phoenixgirl  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:43:09pm

why must you focus on his record? /

170 godfrey  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:43:23pm

re: #167 Typicalwhitey

On what grounds, exactly, is Obama competitive with Palin, let alone McCain?

171 opnion  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:43:44pm

re: #160 Sharmuta

Yes- a "not voting" vote shows he stands by his principles.


This whole dynamic has shifted in a week. It is amazing to witness.
She may well be our first woman President & the Democrats can't stand it.
She is eveerything I have heard from them ad naseum, that a female leader should be. What the didn't say is that she must have a D next to her name.

172 kevinmumaw  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:43:52pm

OT: Overheard while dumpster diving at DU concerning Obama's abortion stance

That was his reply? Then he's being sensitive. In the Jewish religion the soul is not supposed to enter the body of a baby until after it's born.
Joe Biden pointed out to Brokaw today that in his Catholic church it's at conception but Jews believe that life begins at birth and in Islam, once the baby is viable for birth.

Now I am only a convert, but I know Obama is not Jewish, and according to what I've been taught thus far, the period when the should enters the body is known as ensoulment. There is no consensus among historical Jewish sources as to when this occurs and is regarded as a secret of God which will be revealed when the Messiah arrives. On top of that, there is a much more complicated are which discusses partial life and full life. Both are of great value, but when choosing between the two (health of mother is endangered, for example) Jews tend to go with the full life. Not trying to go all Torah here, but part of me would love to see Obama try and make this argument. I don't think he's that dumb.

173 MJBrutus  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:43:59pm

re: #167 Typicalwhitey

It is as if she has sucked the life out of him.

LMAO! She's a witch! A succubus! Burn her, burn her!

174 Thor-Zone  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:47:18pm

re: #99 Glaucon

Biden voted FOR the Bridge to Nowhere and AGAINST the trans-Alaska oil pipeline.

Priorities, people.


Here's a little known fact......It was Spiro Agnew who broke the tie in the Senate on the bill authorizing the Trans Alaska Pipeline. He wasn't totally worthless afterall.

175 Nancy  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:48:33pm

re: #117 Yankee Division Son

Me too. But they have David Axelrod who is supposed to be one of the "top" and best. He has all sort of advisers and I too am "befuddled" by what they think they will accomplish by dealing with such dumb NON-issues!

If they did any homework and research, she had a perfectly good reason to scrap the project. It was sound fiscal management to use the money on other projects when they found the state would have to cough up half the money for it. ANd it wasn't a cheap project!

I fail to see why that is a fault. THat as Governor she didn't want to put that additional debt burden on the state.

176 jimzinsocal  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:49:17pm

re: #123 Sharmuta

Here's the entire roll call on the Coburn Amendment.

^^Hey...thanks for that. I was just looking as I had to defend the article.

Oh my. How interesting. Obama and Biden. and

Alaska: Murkowski (R-AK), Nay Stevens (R-AK), Nay

177 GeeWiz  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:49:41pm

I find it deeply disturbing that the MSM allows the Dems to skate away from choices made in error and allow them to re-write their positions in a positive light. Anyone with a (R) after their name has their feet held to the fire if the MSM determines they chose the wrong door (they always do). Whether the door they chose was wrong or right is not relevant, the relevance resides in the MSM's perception. The tilt of the scales makes it very difficult to be a conservative in today's political environment. The journey may be difficult, but the result will all the more satisfying.

McCain's choice of Gov. Palin has mixed up the left's game-plan and has given them fits. Be prepared to observe the Dems painting themselves into the proverbial corner and rejoice that there is some justice in this world.

/rant off

178 NemoParticularis  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:50:44pm
It is as if she has sucked the life out of him. -LMAO! She's a witch! A succubus! Burn her, burn her!

What makes you think she's a witch?

179 Salem  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:53:22pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

It's the Power of the Blogs, in action! You are right, they can no longer control the information we get, and I believe it is part of the reason Matthews and Olbermann melted down so badly, at each other's throats during the Dem convention, on air! They just cannot figure out why they and folks like them are no longer considered to be the best and brightest - and it's because they aren't; the best and brightest are now blogging, imo.

The objection shills like Brokaw raised about blogs was that they weren't properly vetted. And who did they need to be vetted by? Media dinosaurs like Brokaw. Now this fovorite buzzword of theirs-"vetted"- has been vetted itself and found lacking. It will be interesting to see whether they break out the same bag of tricks in the next election or what they could possibly dream up that would be different and pass the laugh test.

180 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:56:32pm

re: #136 Salem

The media monopoly is over. They can't control the information we get any longer. There will be no "Fairness Doctrine" because they are being watched now. Quite a few will go insane. They are on trial, now. Matthews and Olbermann are the first indicted. The Media Dark Ages is drawing to a close. Hail the Renaissance!

Enlightening. Liberté, Unité, Justice, Raison, Egalité.

181 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 3:58:22pm

re: #173 MJBrutus

She's a witch!

182 Sol Roth  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:01:35pm

re: #136 Salem

The media monopoly is over. They can't control the information we get any longer. There will be no "Fairness Doctrine" because they are being watched now. Quite a few will go insane. They are on trial, now. Matthews and Olbermann are the first indicted. The Media Dark Ages is drawing to a close. Hail the Renaissance!

Yea! But keep your rifle clean and ammo stocked.

183 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:02:05pm

re: #127 Carridine

Carridine -

Couldn't help but imagine a Gov. Palin Look-Alike - Glasses, Upswept Hair and all serving breakfast to Sen Obama. Suspect the result would be APOPLEXY at this point.

-S-

184 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:04:13pm

re: #99 Glaucon

Biden voted FOR the Bridge to Nowhere and AGAINST the trans-Alaska oil pipeline.

Priorities, people.

Priorities.

185 Nancy  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:04:44pm

Actually if the MSM brings up these issues rather than attacking her personally or spreading rumors about her family, I don't have a problem because she can rebut every one of them.

Her record on her accomplishments, ethics and corruption is rock solid. If they want to open some of these doors and harp on things like the "bridge" it's only going to make them look even more ineffective and irresponsible.

I think she will do just fine defending her record.

186 Sol Roth  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:04:58pm

re: #177 GeeWiz

I find it deeply disturbing that the MSM allows the Dems to skate away from choices made in error and allow them to re-write their positions in a positive light. Anyone with a (R) after their name has their feet held to the fire if the MSM determines they chose the wrong door (they always do). Whether the door they chose was wrong or right is not relevant, the relevance resides in the MSM's perception. The tilt of the scales makes it very difficult to be a conservative in today's political environment. The journey may be difficult, but the result will all the more satisfying.

McCain's choice of Gov. Palin has mixed up the left's game-plan and has given them fits. Be prepared to observe the Dems painting themselves into the proverbial corner and rejoice that there is some justice in this world.

/rant off

Not just a rant. In practice it can allow an entire administration to give away our most secret and expensive nuclear weapon guidance, solid rocket booster and MIRV designs to a Communist enemy with no repercussions at all.

See, there's more than a Presidential race at stake.

Enemedia indeed.

187 Langley  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:05:24pm

"However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief."

Maybe they hate Black people?

188 Thor-Zone  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:07:28pm

re: #152 Nevergiveup

What else, he is still in congress living high off the hog.

That sucks.

189 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:07:55pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

It's the Power of the Blogs, in action! You are right, they can no longer control the information we get, and I believe it is part of the reason Matthews and Olbermann melted down so badly, at each other's throats during the Dem convention, on air! They just cannot figure out why they and folks like them are no longer considered to be the best and brightest - and it's because they aren't; the best and brightest are now blogging, imo.

To stretch an analogy, the asteroid is in the high atmosphere now. The light is unbearable for the media dinosaurs on the ground but it is nothing compared to the impending impact.

190 mean Gene  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:20:22pm

Isn't this a classic example of irony?

191 mich-again  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:21:33pm

Can you throw a bridge under a bus?

192 Talking Stick  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:22:56pm

Truly a Theater of the Absurd - The Demo Presidential nominee in a pissing contest with the Republican Vice Presidential nominee who happens to be a woman while the Demo Vice Presidential nominee sits on his keester playing with himself like an aging cowboy on the edge of the shut with no bull to ride. McCain is now guest conductor for a performance of Ravel's, Bolero

193 BigDog  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:36:11pm

I want a mooseburger!

194 jimzinsocal  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:44:13pm

What you are going to hear: "But the Bridge was removed from HR 3048."

Really? When? Typical spin.

In 2005 when we read the last action? If so then what is this about?
How does a State Abandon what doesnt exist any longer?

[Link: www.cnn.com...]


But nice try.

Ill go climb back on the turnip truck and wait for a new deal on the Brooklyn Bridge.

195 SouthAmericanWay  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:50:36pm

Gov Palin should do another of her "Here's a little newsflash" moments regarding this:

"Last week, in my acceptance speech, I explained to our opponent what the job of a small town mayor involves. It seems I have to explain to him today what his own job as a Senator involves: Governors do not approve earmarks, Senator; Congressmen and Senators do."

196 code red 21  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:59:24pm

Who's gong to step up to the plate and tell the poor Katrina survivors their saviour screwed them out of the money?

197 Muadib  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 4:59:41pm

A vote for 0bama is a vote to nowhere.

198 Shug  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 5:06:19pm

Once again Lizards doing the work the press won't do

WELL DONE

199 DeeAitch  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 5:08:12pm

The media are obviously being guided by Voltaire's maxim:
“Lie, lie bravely: something will always remain. Fling mud: some of it will stick.”

200 Wendya  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 5:08:13pm

re: #134 NoSubmission


Gah! There really IS an Obama Pez Dispenser! Scroll down..

Sarah Palin School Girl?

That's just wrong.

201 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 5:14:52pm
202 LesLein  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 5:20:00pm

Guess what candidate's advisers helped the housing market get where it is?

"You look at Obama's economic advisers, the guys he has counted on from day one and who have raised him a ton -- and I mean a ton -- of money: Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, both of them are waist to neck deep in the mortgage debacle."

Both Raines and Johnson have served as CEO of Fannie Mae, with Raines taking over from Johnson. Both are key political and economic advisers to Obama.

"How can Obama go out with a straight face and saw it was Republicans who made this mess, when it is his key advisers who ran the agencies that made the big mess what it is?" says a Democrat House member who supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. "It's his people who are responsible for what may well be the single largest government bailout in history. And every single one of them made millions off the collapse that are lining Obama's campaign coffers. If the McCain campaign lets this one go, they deserve to lose."

It isn't just Fannie Mae where Obama has a problem. Another close political adviser, in fact the one man responsible for rallying support for Obama early on among Congressional Democrats, is Rep. Rahm Emanuel, who served on the Board of Directors for Freddie Mac after leaving the Clinton White House. According to Freddie Mac insiders, Emanuel during his time on the board opposed every reform proposed by the Bush Administration that would have impacted Freddie and Fannie Mae.

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

203 kansas  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 5:20:44pm

The Audacity of Hypocrisy
or
Facts? We don't need no stinking facts.

204 jimzinsocal  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 5:39:16pm

From what Ive uncovered? The specific "Bridge" mention in the bill voted on by both Biden and Obama was changed after the fact via committee.[about 11/17/05]
The money was left in place for Alaskan's to deal with.

So Im comfortable with the op article assertion.
Both voted "for" the Bridge....leaving the money in place.

205 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 5:40:10pm

from Insta:

STILL MORE: Reader Michael Pate emails with what the New York Times reported in September of 2007:

Gov. Sarah Palin ordered state transportation officials to abandon the ''bridge to nowhere'' project that became a nationwide symbol of federal pork-barrel spending. The $398 million bridge would have connected Ketchikan, on one island in southeastern Alaska, to its airport on another nearby island. ''Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport,'' Ms. Palin, a Republican, said in a news release, ''but the $398 million bridge is not the answer.'' She directed the State Transportation Department to find the most ''fiscally responsible'' alternative for access to the airport.

Plus, from the September 27, 2007 USA Today, " Alaska's governor has officially dropped plans for one of two spans critics called 'bridges to nowhere.' Gov. Sarah Palin said this month she was scrapping the proposed $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to its airport on an nearby island where 50 people live."

That's very inconvenient to the new Obama/Biden msm meme.
Just like Biden telling us that the Iraq is great because of Biden.

206 jimzinsocal  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 6:16:18pm

In the end? Had either Biden or Obama been against the Bridge?
They had their chance. They rejected this which is quite clear to me.

2165

[Link: frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...]

207 Haverwilde  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 6:36:39pm

Okay, just for the record. Palin supported a bridge to Gravina (NoWhere, Alaska) while running for Governor, the bridge cost at that time was $223 million. When it got up to $400 million she canceled it, and then had her Dept of Transportation start working on other options to improve access to Gravina Island.
Do you suppose any of that would make sense to the senseless.

208 Haverwilde  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 6:43:10pm
from Ketchikan to its airport on an nearby island where 50 people live."


Please skip this crap. Every freeway that goes to an airport is not justified based on the number of people living there. I can see it now, the $400 million spent in Seattle to improve access to SeaTac airport was a waste of money because no one lives at the airport. The folks of Ketchikan were promised a bridge 30 years ago. They still need one, but $400 million is an obscene amount of money sto span 300 yards of Tongass Narrows.

209 LEGION  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 7:01:23pm

(Channelling Jim Nabors/Gomer Pyle) SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

210 Nancy  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 7:08:54pm

Here's a more concise explanation:

The original earmark was long before she was even running for Gov. The Coburn amendment mentioned in the opening article was to divert the 223 million to Katrina and that was in 2005 --BEFORE she was Governor.

When she was running for governor in 2006, Palin said she supported a $223 million federal earmark for the Gravina Island Bridge. The pork earmark for that particular bridge project was killed by Congress. Alaska was given the same amount of money to spend on other projects.

After she took office:
That left the funding of the project, estimated then between 4 million to 1 billion entirely up to the state. Palin put a halt to state support of the project, saying, "We will continue to look for options for Ketchikan to allow better access to the island."

I did find that late in her campaign for Governor she did release a statement that building the bridge was going to be unlikely. She was largely applauded for killing the project when she became Governor. I found nothing that suggested she ever promised or made a commitment to it.

211 SteveRogers  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 7:09:04pm

re: #207 Haverwilde

Okay, just for the record. Palin supported a bridge to Gravina (NoWhere, Alaska) while running for Governor, the bridge cost at that time was $223 million. When it got up to $400 million she canceled it, and then had her Dept of Transportation start working on other options to improve access to Gravina Island.
Do you suppose any of that would make sense to the senseless.

Ever notice that for virtually every government project, state or federal, the estimated cost always double, triples, or more before it's done and it takes much longer than projected?

212 Haverwilde  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 7:20:55pm

re: #210 Nancy

I found nothing that suggested she ever promised or made a commitment to it.


There is no question that she did/does support improved access to Gravina Island. A lot to the latest spin was generated when our Mayor, an Obama supporter, gave out a lot of one-sided information. He was even on 'AirAmerica' for his 15 minutes of infamy.

213 Haverwilde  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 7:23:24pm

re: #211 SteveRogers

Ever notice that for virtually every government project, state or federal, the estimated cost always double, triples, or more before it's done and it takes much longer than projected?

Uh yah, I think that fall is the 'Well close enough for Government work.' category. (I guess it is obvious, but just in case, I do live in Ketchikan.)

214 Nancy  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 7:27:57pm

I see others above me now have put the same info out. above ............

In 2007 --I found a quote from the Head of Dept. Transportation that the cost could be as high as a billion. He cited one particular span was going to be very expensive.

.........it was a "no brainer."

As someone said above --how does it not make sense?

215 Nancy  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 7:30:27pm

re: #212 Haverwilde

Good --Air America ...........yikes.

No question she supports better access and I did not mean to say otherwise. I could find nothing of a "campaign promise" to specifically build the bridge. That she supported the idea of it.........is that correct?

216 Nancy  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 7:35:41pm

re: #213 Haverwilde

Great you can give a first hand account! Wonderful........
That will help set the facts straight.

Just curious has nothing to do with the issue......does the bay freeze over in winter?

217 Nancy  Mon, Sep 8, 2008 7:42:54pm

re: #213 Haverwilde

I think you have noticed, we are quite impressed with your Governor!

218 Ledger1  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 2:14:26am

re: #202 LesLein

[Obama throws a hissy fit]

Obama told the $30,800-per-person attendees… “I hope you guys are game,” he said, “because I haven’t been putting up with 19 months of airplanes and hotel food and missing my babies and my wife –- I didn’t put up for that stuff just to come in second.

Obama snivels

Obama: You fat cat donors are the Problem! Give me more money!

219 gonecamping  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 6:06:22am

re: #8 bosforus

Why is it that every rock they "turn over" against Palin finds Obama trying to squirm his way out before anyone notices?

Verily, Obama stands on the wrong side of each tree he cuts down, resulting in trees constantly landing on his head.

220 jimzinsocal  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:56:11am

Some updates.

First off this WSJ article is off the mark with some detail.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

The author implies or states that Palin didnt return the money.
Well? Why should she?
By committee, sometime after Biden and Obama. Republicans led
an effort to remove the line item "Bridge" and substitute less granular language thus making the money available within parameters but NOT
limiting how Alaska might spend those funds.
There was no vote beyond what Biden and Obama voted on.
The bridge line item was indeed included.

Since no monetary change was made when committee made the funds
less specific? No vote was required.[why the records are a pia to find]

So its rather incomplete to accuse Palin of "not returning the money" when the specific shipping label addressed "Bridge to Nowhere"
had been changed.....to "Spend as you see fit so long as it meets the category terms"

[Link: frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...]
Quote:
Sec. 186. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any amounts
made available pursuant to Public Law 109-59 for the Gravina Island
bridge and the Knik Arm bridge shall be made available to the Alaska
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities for any purpose
eligible under section 133(b) of title 23, United States Code: Provided,
That in allocating funds for the equity bonus program under section 105
of such title, the Secretary shall make the calculations required under
that section as if this section had not been enacted: Provided further,
That the descriptions for High Priority Projects #406, the Gravina
Island bridge, and #2465, the Knik Arm bridge, in section 1702 of Public
Law 109-59

221 jimzinsocal  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:02:01am

^^continue

So? We now know more detail than the WSJ and certainly factcheck.org.
And the writers quoted in the original piece were indeed correct.


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