Don't worry!
Obama promised to stem the seas rise, don't you remember?

Cannoball!

Surfs up!

What we need is a leader, people.

Everybody meet down at the waterfront at midnight with kitchen sponges in hand. If you've got a Shamwow™, head straight to the end of the dock.

Hell, can't even spell cannonball...

If the 0bamessiah shows up to lower the sea level and no sea level shows up for him to lower, does he still get credit?

this must be the (water) drinking thread.

I'm at 1000 ft., and the beach will be closer.

Ice is mostly air. Net sea level rise equals... zero.

You ever put ice in a glass of water and let it melt? Often the level drops. Jeesh.

Just so there's ice for my cocktails.

re: #10 Noam Chumpski

Ice is mostly air. Net sea level rise equals... zero.

You ever put ice in a glass of water and let it melt? Often the level drops. Jeesh.

That doesn't really apply, honestly.

Ice displaces water in a glass, so when it melts, the level remains the same. The glaciers being discussed -- on Greenland -- aren't in water, but on land. Ergo, the water will rise. The question is how much.

re: #7 Sharmuta

If the 0bamessiah shows up to lower the sea level and no sea level shows up for him to lower, does he still get credit?

Yes...shows that god was on his side.

and the congregation said...AMENNN

re: #10 Noam Chumpski

You ever put ice in a glass of water and let it melt? Often the level drops

Fortunately, the alcohol level stays the same.

So the question is: How much—and how soon—will sea level rise?

This has happened before, it will happen again and we Humans will adapt and life will go on.

re: #9 BignJames

I'm at 1000 ft., and the beach will be closer.

I'm at 13 feet...someone give me a platform.

re: #15 godfrey

Fortunately, the alcohol level stays the same.

But watery. I keep the booze in the freezer for that reason.

Everyone DRINK!

It's a crisis, people. A crisis! I'm super serial!

-al Goracle

Cognito (#5),

What we need is a leader, people.

Everybody meet down at the waterfront at midnight with kitchen sponges in hand. If you've got a Shamwow™, head straight to the end of the dock.

LOL.

I think if the sea rises and one of these things with a diamond hard beak washes up anyway near my house in Galveston I am moving to high ground...Diamond Beak squid...

You can ponder that question while your freezing your asses off over the next 500-10,000 years.

re: #13 Cognito

That doesn't really apply, honestly.

Ice displaces water in a glass, so when it melts, the level remains the same. The glaciers being discussed -- on Greenland -- aren't in water, but on land. Ergo, the water will rise. The question is how much.

ahhh... i'm no scientist :)

re: #15 godfrey

Fortunately, the alcohol level stays the same.

Doesn't taste like it does?

re: #10 Noam Chumpski

Ice is mostly air. Net sea level rise equals... zero.

You ever put ice in a glass of water and let it melt? Often the level drops. Jeesh.

That is only good for ice floating on water. Most of the ice in the world (Greenland, Antarctica) is sitting on land.

re: #5 Cognito

What we need is a leader, people.

Everybody meet down at the waterfront at midnight with kitchen sponges in hand. If you've got a Shamwow™, head straight to the end of the dock.

You have no idea...

re: #15 godfrey

Fortunately, the alcohol level stays the same.

Now there's an answer I can relate to.

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

A rising tide lifts all the boats.

Subs?

we'll see how fast anything goes as the sun activity drops... maybe government subsidies for releasing Carbon dioxide into the atmosphere - Tax credits for Hummers?

This calls for a Community Organizer!

re: #26 Big Steve

See post 23 :)

re: #23 Noam Chumpski

ahhh... i'm no scientist :)

Just don't ask me to do any math.

The other day I speculated who might win the election in 2016. Yeah.

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

A rising tide lifts all the boats.

That sounds nasty.

Everyone? IN THE BOATS! Time for a ride.

Maybe an ark would be better?

Palin's Scandi-Scandal

"My team of foreign policy advisers recommends that we pillage coastal villages in the British Isles."

The largest contributor to CO2 emissions is... the ocean. If the ocean rises, will that make for more CO2 emissions? Where's that petition to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide? I'm ready to sign up.

BAN THE OCEAN!

It looks like that beachfront property in the Great Dismal Swamp I bought is finally going to pay off.

re: #33 Cognito

Just don't ask me to do any math.

The other day I speculated who might win the election in 2016. Yeah.

ha! I would've had to think on it as well...

Ice melting...? I'd rather watch grass grow.

Not to worry.

re: #33 Cognito

Just don't ask me to do any math.

The other day I speculated who might win the election in 2016. Yeah.

I thought the world is supposed to end in 2012, according to the Mayan calendar?

Hey wait a minute! Isn't that when the sHrillary is supposed to ascend to the throne? NOW it makes sense.

What did the Mayans know we don't?

re: #35 Geepers

Palin's Scandi-Scandal

Woman. Bottom, Left. Yikes.

but, but...what will happen to all the seal, polar bears and the whales...where will they live?

BWAAA

Give me a break. If you melt the ice in a glass of water, does the water overflow out of the glass? No? does the level drop? According to green peace, all hope is lost. Global warming and Al Gore,
/Carbon footprints you can take to the bank!

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

re: #34 crimsonfisted

Famous Reagan quote--point being that there is no reason not to believe that a warmer climate (such as obtained during the best days of the Roman Empire) would not be an improvement.

Thanks, time to research the Reagan-lore.

re: #44 LoFlyer

Give me a break. If you melt the ice in a glass of water, does the water overflow out of the glass? No? does the level drop? According to green peace, all hope is lost. Global warming and Al Gore,
/Carbon footprints you can take to the bank!

loflyer - I'm afraid i got schooled on this already :) See responses to my post above.

Can't wait to shake up Manual's. Never been there.

If the ocean levels rise, I could easily see Humans living on artificial Islands that are self sustaining and that have underwater apartments.

re: #36 Sharmuta

Where's that petition to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide? I'm ready to sign up.

Here ya go.

re: #46 Noam Chumpski

loflyer - I'm afraid i got schooled on this already :) See responses to my post above.

Can't wait to shake up Manual's. Never been there.

I failed to mention that I completely agree with you. :)

1. Warm is good.

2. Plants (like crops) grow better when its warm.

3. When Florida disappears, let me know... until then the beach I've been going to for 28 years has the same water level it has always had.

/Humans used to know how to adapt to change, don't let the Goracle talk us out of millions of years of practice!

BHO escorted his two kids to their first day of school today. University of Chicago Laboratory School. $15-20,000 a year. Just regular folks.

Where was Michelle? Not there? Was she working? Bad mother.

OK- I read this twice now, and my take is... they really don't know what the hell is going to happen, nor at any point was cooling in the future taken into account. They're not even sure how the earth's wobble might affect this. It just really reaffirms my position that climatology is chaos in motion- good luck making predictions.

re: #42 Noam Chumpski

Woman. Bottom, Left. Yikes.

I think that women on the lower left is a young girl with a bit of red-eye. She looks better in the blown up version.

When Henry VIII was King of England he built numerous forts around the South Easter coastline in order to protect England from the Spanish and French. At the time they were built dead on the water. However, now you have to travel quite a ways from the water to the forts and in one case you have to travel a full mile. The water level has receded that significantly.

How does this play in the entire "global warming", glaciers melting, and rising ocean levels? Really just curious.

re: #51 ciaospirit

BHO escorted his two kids to their first day of school today. University of Chicago Laboratory School. $15-20,000 a year. Just regular folks.

Where was Michelle? Not there? Was she working? Bad mother.

Prolly out doing drive-bys at Palin's house; thinking about slicing her tires or something.

re: #50 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey I got a letter from my son at Bootcamp at Ft. Knox, he said the DI's still flipping bunks for the slow wakers...I always got a laugh at that.

Ahem. I think I know of a solution to this warm water problem.

Busy, busy, busy...

re: #52 Sharmuta

OK- I read this twice now, and my take is... they really don't know what the hell is going to happen, nor at any point was cooling in the future taken into account. They're not even sure how the earth's wobble might affect this. It just really reaffirms my position that climatology is chaos in motion- good luck making predictions.

You can best predict by decoding the past. And the past says buy a good coat.

re: #53 Fredlike

I think that women on the lower left is a young girl with a bit of red-eye. She looks better in the blown up version.

Dang - that's twice I've been wrong in one thread! I'm going to shut up and lurk...

Goerge wants some new ocean front property.

re: #46 Noam Chumpski

loflyer - I'm afraid i got schooled on this already :) See responses to my post above.

Can't wait to shake up Manual's. Never been there.

U R kidding me! Never been to Manuals? A rite of passage amongst metro-ATL liberals. I have been throwing out hints and not getting many takers on LGF, we need to crank this thing up for metro-ATL lizards!

OT
The state poll updates are finally in at RealClearPolitics

Tuesday, September 09
Race Poll Results Spread
Pennsylvania FOX News/Rasmussen Obama 47, McCain 45 Obama +2
Ohio FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 51, Obama 44 McCain +7
Florida FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 48, Obama 48 Tie
Virginia FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2
Colorado FOX News/Rasmussen Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
National ABC News/Wash Post McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2
National CBS News McCain 46, Obama 44 McCain +2
Washington SurveyUSA Obama 49, McCain 45 Obama +4
Virginia SurveyUSA McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2

Better than I hoped, still lots of work to do, especially in PA but this looks good.

re: #35 Geepers

"What's In My Wallet" -

Hopefully a Capital One Card with a picture of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on it.
That is all.

-S-

re: #5 Cognito

LOL. I can't help myself, Cognito. You topped off the tank with that one.

/Heads for the water cooler.

re: #54 Outrider

When Henry VIII was King of England he built numerous forts around the South Easter coastline in order to protect England from the Spanish and French. At the time they were built dead on the water. However, now you have to travel quite a ways from the water to the forts and in one case you have to travel a full mile. The water level has receded that significantly.

How does this play in the entire "global warming", glaciers melting, and rising ocean levels? Really just curious.

That would be your Medeaval warming period (or whatever it was called). Natural warming and cooling periods... check out this

Ice melts...water freezes...

Humans have no power to control either one.

re: #50 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

1. Warm is good.

2. Plants (like crops) grow better when its warm.

3. When Florida disappears, let me know... until then the beach I've been going to for 28 years has the same water level it has always had.

/Humans used to know how to adapt to change, don't let the Goracle talk us out of millions of years of practice!

I would think Holland would be the first to go if this was happening. The only place I've heard of that has encountered rising waters is Venice, and I'm convinced the water isn't rising-the city is still sinking, as it has been for a long time.

re: #62 lifeofthemind

0bama was up in PA by +7 at one point. Now it's close and he'll have to spend time and money there just to hold on to it. Bwahahahahahaha!

re: #62 lifeofthemind

I hope McCain gets a big lead in Virginia then both sides will stop running so many adds.

I just figured out why Al Gore has gained so much weight.
Fat people float better.

re: #56 Maximu§

Hey I got a letter from my son at Bootcamp at Ft. Knox, he said the DI's still flipping bunks for the slow wakers...I always got a laugh at that.

Do they still throw trash cans down the middle of of the barracks at oh-dark-thirty to wake the goons?

re: #51 ciaospirit

In a motorcade of five SUVs, evidently.

re: #56 Maximu§

Hey I got a letter from my son at Bootcamp at Ft. Knox, he said the DI's still flipping bunks for the slow wakers...I always got a laugh at that.

I always got a laugh doing it. ;-)> Slackers!

re: #42 Noam Chumpski

Yup. Yikes. LOL.

Prior to 1998 global warming was true. Caused by increased sunspot activity on the sun. Guess what? Zero sunspot activity in August.

Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century

I hate the cold.

re: #61 LoFlyer

U R kidding me! Never been to Manuals? A rite of passage amongst metro-ATL liberals. I have been throwing out hints and not getting many takers on LGF, we need to crank this thing up for metro-ATL lizards!

Crazy, huh? I could walk there it's so close, but my girlfriend is afraid of the place. That's why I'm stoked about going on Sunday. :)

ATLANTA Lizards: Manual's Tavern; Sunday at 5pm

This is way above my pay grade.

Gaea.

Self-regulating.

We understand about this much of it.

EVERYBODY FILL YOUR ICE CUBE TRAYS -- STAT.

re: #52 Sharmuta

OK- I read this twice now, and my take is... they really don't know what the hell is going to happen, nor at any point was cooling in the future taken into account. They're not even sure how the earth's wobble might affect this. It just really reaffirms my position that climatology is chaos in motion- good luck making predictions.

Agree. The article is very brief and several commentators have pointed out flaws. Also SciAm, IIRC, has been called out before for heavy bias in favor of AGW.

re: #67 Outrider

I would think Holland would be the first to go if this was happening. The only place I've heard of that has encountered rising waters is Venice, and I'm convinced the water isn't rising-the city is still sinking, as it has been for a long time.

Venice is sinking, no doubt. You'd never know it if the Dutch were getting ready to submerge... they'd build the dykes higher and put in more pumps first.

re: #77 Noam Chumpski

Crazy, huh? I could walk there it's so close, but my girlfriend is afraid of the place. That's why I'm stoked about going on Sunday. :)

ATLANTA Lizards: Manual's Tavern; Sunday at 5pm

Great, I'll be there, and ready to debate! I am wearing my 15 year old "Reagan debate Teva sandals". Good luck!

Two words: Air Conditioning

Problem solved. Please send all monies to Noam C. at...

I care about the environment. I do.
But why can't I be worried about Jihad and Islamism as much as liberals do about global warming? It always seems as if there's a car bomb parked running in Bagdad, liberals will yell about the exhaust of it polluting.

If you haven't seen a pic of the couple who met, ur, or something, in Selma Barack, Sr. and Ann...

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Outrider

~smiling~...they sure do, nobody ever had to flip my bunk to get me outta bed, but it sure was funny to see it happen to others. My son told me (its his 3rd week) that they flip bunks, toss the metel garbage cans down the hall at wake-up.

He had to go to the Gas chamber Saturday...the exact same one I went into 27 years ago at Ft. Knox.

re: #66 dolfan

Pops half a dozen cubes into glass and pours lemonade.

I lack so much control I can hardly stand myself.

Maybe I should toss it in the microwave...

re: #65 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That would be your Medeaval warming period (or whatever it was called). Natural warming and cooling periods... check out this

Interesting.

I've never bought this. I remember last year they were bitching about a melting glacier in the Alps that had been there "forever". Then some fool archeologist went and discovered Roman armor and weapons under the ice. Guess it hadn't been there that long eh?

I recommend everyone check out economist Bjorn Lomborg's ideas about the climate crisis. His position is that even if you grant the doomsayers everything they claim will happen to the climate, it is far more cost effective to use our resources to combat the known human ills (like malaria and HIV) and simply adapt to the climate change rather than try to prevent it from happening. Very interesting.

[Link: www.lomborg.com...]

Of course the climate change whores accused him of academic dishonesty and dragged him into science kangaroo court:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #62 lifeofthemind

OT
The state poll updates are finally in at RealClearPolitics

Tuesday, September 09
Race Poll Results Spread
Pennsylvania FOX News/Rasmussen Obama 47, McCain 45 Obama +2
Ohio FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 51, Obama 44 McCain +7
Florida FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 48, Obama 48 Tie
Virginia FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2
Colorado FOX News/Rasmussen Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
National ABC News/Wash Post McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2
National CBS News McCain 46, Obama 44 McCain +2
Washington SurveyUSA Obama 49, McCain 45 Obama +4
Virginia SurveyUSA McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2

Better than I hoped, still lots of work to do, especially in PA but this looks good.

I'd look more at the trends than any specific numbers. Things have definitely improved since Palin came on the scene and stole Obama's mojo.

Maybe that's what this campaign is about - maybe that's what Obama will claim next - that Palin really is Dr. Evil in a fembot uniform. Heck, with all the other DKos nonsensical ravings, they might actually float that idea. /

Obama has to figure out how to straighten things out quick, or else it will continue to look like his campaign is out of control and flailing. That's already the case, and it will get worse unless they turn it around. Throwing out more inanities isn't going to help. Time is not on their side.

McCain needs to keep hammering Obama on the economy and taxes, but needs to truly hammer things home on energy policy, tying Obama to the do-nothing Democrats in the House and Senate.

re: #84 LoFlyer

Great, I'll be there, and ready to debate! I am wearing my 15 year old "Reagan debate Teva sandals". Good luck!

Oh, man - that's funny.

Is the food good? Good beer? ...which doesn't matter, I guess, because all I ever drink is Bud Light...

re: #81 ted

Agree. The article is very brief and several commentators have pointed out flaws. Also SciAm, IIRC, has been called out before for heavy bias in favor of AGW.

Where are the studies showing how warming might actually be beneficial? Why is it assumed it's a bad thing? Wouldn't it actually create longer growing seasons and reduce oil used for home heating?

Other than the hysteria over sea levels, why is warming bad?

So with the sunspots and the coming Ice Age, we should expect all those glaciers to run right back up to Mammoth size sooner than you can say "on the rocks." Right?

Off the top of my head, sea level would rise by about 110 meters if all the freshwater ice in the world melted. This has actually happened a number of times in geological history and there was one period (ca 600 million year ago) when an icecap covered the entire planet.

re: #88 Maximu§

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Outrider

~smiling~...they sure do, nobody ever had to flip my bunk to get me outta bed, but it sure was funny to see it happen to others. My son told me (its his 3rd week) that they flip bunks, toss the metel garbage cans down the hall at wake-up.

He had to go to the Gas chamber Saturday...the exact same one I went into 27 years ago at Ft. Knox.

Ah the gas chamber. I went through that in Orlando in '76. Hide in the back and repeat the 10 general orders without choking. Nothing to it!

re: #67 Outrider

Venice is indeed sinking, the water isn't rising there. It was basically built on a bog. As the soil compacts, it sinks.

It's the same exact kind of problem facing the ACoE in NOLA - soils are compacting and the ground subsides making areas below sea level even lower.

Rassmussen updated the State by State balance of Power. This is huge.

re: #41 crimsonfisted

I thought the world is supposed to end in 2012, according to the Mayan calendar?

Hey wait a minute! Isn't that when the sHrillary is supposed to ascend to the throne? NOW it makes sense.

What did the Mayans know we don't?

No, no. The world's supposed to end this coming Wednesday!

re: #93 lawhawk

Problem is, Obama now has one opponent, but two.

lol

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

You are a hoot, Buzz... You oughta get paid for this stuff.

Do you take it shaken or stirred?

re: #47 Maximu§

If the ocean levels rise, I could easily see Humans living on artificial Islands that are self sustaining and that have underwater apartments.

I saw a show on discovery yesterday about ocean cities. One is in the works right now with other more ambitious ones in development. It was incredibly neat. Countries like Japan are naturally very interested.

The weather gets warmer, the glaciers melt and Bikini's get smaller.

so whats the problem?

Only three percent of the water on Earth is freshwater in nature, and about two-thirds of this is frozen in glaciers and polar ice caps.

2 % more water in the oceans should not raise them by much...

Try adding 2 % water in your bath and tell me how high the water rises.

Or better yet try adding 2% water in you swimming pool and tell me how hight water level rises.

And it would take hundreds if not thousands of years for the poles to melt, so there would be plenty of time to move from low lands.

re: #81 ted

Agree. The article is very brief and several commentators have pointed out flaws. Also SciAm, IIRC, has been called out before for heavy bias in favor of AGW.

Who Let the Dogs Out at Scientific American?

by Patrick J. Michaels

This article appeared on cato.org on January 17, 2002.

Scientific American has sicced the big dogs on Danish statistician Bjorn Lomborg for having the audacity to publish a highly referenced book, "The Skeptical Environmentalist," which argues that global warming and many other environmental "threats" are overblown. What gives?

Scientific American now joins the magazines Science and Nature in blasting Lomborg. They all editorialize that his "book is a failure" and call out four well-traveled attack dogs from the Washington big government/greenie/lefty establishment in support. They include:

[Link: www.cato.org...]

re: #88 Maximu§

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Outrider

~smiling~...they sure do, nobody ever had to flip my bunk to get me outta bed, but it sure was funny to see it happen to others. My son told me (its his 3rd week) that they flip bunks, toss the metel garbage cans down the hall at wake-up.

He had to go to the Gas chamber Saturday...the exact same one I went into 27 years ago at Ft. Knox.

Way to make me feel old. 29 years ago...

re: #105 Salem

Yup. I saw one the other day about vertical farms. That was funny as well...

I just got this.
SAVE THE DATE:
Governor Sarah Palin comes home!

Join us for a McCAIN/PALIN 2008 rally as we welcome Governor Palin home to Alaska!
The rally will take place THIS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH at
The Sadler Business Center
5904 Old Airport Road
Fairbanks, Alaska 99709
Doors open at 4:30 PM. Please R.S.V.P by sending an email to PalinAlaska@gmail.com or leave a message at either (907)575-7256 or (907)575-7257. Please include the number of people in your party with your R.S.V.P.!

All are welcome -- come show Governor Palin your support for the McCain/Palin ticket!

Greetings from wonderful Vicksburg Ms. 80 degrees and 87% humidity. I think I will worry about more immediate problems. Like will Ike interfere with the ratio of water to alcohol in my drinks over the next 20 days. Other than that what else is happening tonight?

re: #78 MandyManners

This is way above my pay grade.

Gay parades have nothing to do with this. Stop trying to change the subject.

We are going to have one of the coldest winters in years this year. It has been very cool through most of the summer. It will be fun to see the Global Warming crowd try and spin that.

Ancient melting events suggest that glaciers can disappear in a hurry, however, and raise sea levels by more than half an inch a year.

OK, I'll take a 100 foot of wall. If we all get togrther we can keep back a half inch a year. Hell, I'll probably lay a foot of wall, that will last me more than twenty yaers.

re: #105 Salem

I saw a show on discovery yesterday about ocean cities. One is in the works right now with other more ambitious ones in development. It was incredibly neat. Countries like Japan are naturally very interested.

I saw the article in a science magazine, but its geared towards city dwellers...I would get cabin fever being cooped up on a little island.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

During the Medieval Warm Period, it was actually warm enough in England for there to be a wine industry.

For sure, it was a prosperous time for them and the rest of Europe. Growing grapes/making wine beats the hell out of raising sheep.

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

During the Medieval Warm Period, it was actually warm enough in England for there to be a wine industry.

And Greenland was, er, green.

re: #94 Noam Chumpski

Oh, man - that's funny.

Is the food good? Good beer? ...which doesn't matter, I guess, because all I ever drink is Bud Light...

Its a decent bar and food. You'll be out-drinking me because I'll be driving. Doesn't mean I am against fun, I just want to make it home un-arrested!

Famous Reagan quote--point being that there is no reason not to believe that a warmer climate (such as obtained during the best days of the Roman Empire) would not be an improvement.

Not true. Warmer climates have seen a flowering of cvilizations throughout human history. That's why so much of this global warming hysteria is total crap.

Incidentally dramatic cooling in northern and central Europe (coupled with overpopulation) fueled to the barbarian migrations which ultimately destroyed the Roman Empire. If you trace the migration patterns of the various Germanic peoples, it becomes apparent that they were looking for warmer real estate.
A dramatic cooling in the 6th century (possiby caused by the eruption of Krakatoa) weakened the Byzantine Empire and created chaos and anarchy throughout the Middle East. Guess what historical figure used that chaos and anarchy to create a new religion?

re: #68 Sharmuta

0bama was up in PA by +7 at one point. Now it's close and he'll have to spend time and money there just to hold on to it. Bwahahahahahaha!

sharmuta -

Better Yet - the "Big O" has NOT been doing very well under "Private Financing" - AND - WATCH the Under $200 Contributions - I suspect MANY are fron Offshore.

-S-

So, the climate may change. Let's blame BHO, the agent of change.

Cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good,
Now, cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.

re: #115 jopa416

We are going to have one of the coldest winters in years this year. It has been very cool through most of the summer. It will be fun to see the Global Warming crowd try and spin that.

That's what bugs me. No matter what happens they just point and says, "See!" As if everything that happens is living proof.

The surface of the earth is smoother than a cue ball.

re: #88 Maximu§

He had to go to the Gas chamber Saturday...the exact same one I went into 27 years ago at Ft. Knox.

Yikes, what is that?

Please thank your son for his service, and thank you for YOURS, Maxiumus!

re: #116 Rancher

OK, I'll take a 100 foot of wall. If we all get togrther we can keep back a half inch a year. Hell, I'll probably lay a foot of wall, that will last me more than twenty yaers.

Unfortunately it doesn't quite work that way. That sort of rise in the ocean would be absolutely devastating to mankind. The question is whether it would happen that way.

We need an Adopt-a-Bucket-of-Sea-Water campaign! If every person just took a bucket of water out of the ocean and took it home, we wouldn't have to worry about rising sea levels!

re: #90 Outrider

Interesting.

I've never bought this. I remember last year they were bitching about a melting glacier in the Alps that had been there "forever". Then some fool archeologist went and discovered Roman armor and weapons under the ice. Guess it hadn't been there that long eh?

Warm... cold... warm... cold... just keeps happening. Warm = Romans, Cold = Dark ages, Warm = Late middle ages, beginning of modern period, Cold = early to mid 1800's (read Charles Dickens and Little Ice Age).

We are coming out of the Little Ice Age and entering a new warming cycle.

The timelines in the book are great.

re: #112 701re: #115 jopa416

We have had the wettest summer in my 49 years living on the llano. I have a fireplace that will be getting a lot of use IMHO.

Fallen Angels, by Jerry Pournelle, Larry Niven, and Michael Flynn.

This 1993 novel has Greens ruling the world during a resurgent ice age, and steadfastly ignoring their own role in causing it, while science minded dissidents and stranded astronauts carry on a campaign of passive resistance.
It overstates the case (glacial front in Minnesota by 2010) but it is a fun romp for SF fans and takes scores a number of deadly hits on Naderite eco-wackies.

re: #98 Shiplord Kirel

Linky?

So, if sea level rises even a couple of feet, how about we refill the Dead Sea, Great Rift Valley, and Qattara Depression? Maybe extend the Gulf of California back up into the California desert? Should take care of things for a couple of thousand years.

Yah, the glaciers in Glacier Park are shrinking as well. Anybody quess where they came from? THE ICE AGE.

Al Gore ought to make it a point to go up there when they're clearing Going to the Sun Highway. Might thin him out around the middle just watching it happen.

re: #121 LoFlyer

Its a decent bar and food. You'll be out-drinking me because I'll be driving. Doesn't mean I am against fun, I just want to make it home un-arrested!

Good thinking. It's gotten so bad in GA over the years. You'd be better off killing someone than having a beer and driving home.

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

During the Medieval Warm Period, it was actually warm enough in England for there to be a wine industry.

For reasons that are probably too complex for chit-chat in the comments section -- or rather, too complex for my lazy self -- England isn't expected to warm up due to climate change. It's due to freeze.

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

That was the Roman equivalent of the Donner Party. They became snowbound, and reverted to Hannibalism.

Yeesh! ;-)> Wonder if they had Caesar salad?

re: #126 Noam Chumpski

The argument is framed so that no matter what happens, Algore is right. If the climate doesn't warm up like they are predicting, then it's bcause Algore warned us and we stopped driving our SUVs. If the climate does change, then it's because we didn't listen to Algore. It's all baloney IMO.

Was hoping to tie my hijacking back to the thread topic with a youtube showing how tropical conditions can reduce El Magnifico Leader to a melting incompetent. Wanted to find a clip from the old Gregory Peck movie Captain Horatio Hornblower. Those who remember the flick can easily see Obama as the enraged tyrant wannabe God as his ship crumbles around him.

re: #118 The Other Les

Looks like the child soldiers somewhere in Africa. They would get stoned and wear trinkets or costumes thinking that it will make them invisible or impervious to bullets.

Usually, it would make 'em quite dead. Or prey for older men to rape.

Sick stuff.

re: #138 Cognito

For reasons that are probably too complex for chit-chat in the comments section -- or rather, too complex for my lazy self -- England isn't expected to warm up due to climate change. It's due to freeze.

Oh, good. Cover it with glaciers a mile thick, problem solved.

re: #134 Shiplord Kirel

Oops! Link to Fallen Angels.

re: #71 HelloDare

I just figured out why Al Gore has gained so much weight.
Fat people float better.

That's a good one. However, this way, he is also ready for a long freeze. He wins either way.

re: #140 dolfan

The argument is framed so that no matter what happens, Algore is right. If the climate doesn't warm up like they are predicting, then it's bcause Algore warned us and we stopped driving our SUVs. If the climate does change, then it's because we didn't listen to Algore. It's all baloney IMO.

Check. Mate.

re: #107 Friend of USA

Only three percent of the water on Earth is freshwater in nature, and about two-thirds of this is frozen in glaciers and polar ice caps.

2 % more water in the oceans should not raise them by much...

Try adding 2 % water in your bath and tell me how high the water rises.

Or better yet try adding 2% water in you swimming pool and tell me how hight water level rises.

And it would take hundreds if not thousands of years for the poles to melt, so there would be plenty of time to move from low lands.

"Friend" -

Shuush - Don't Tell Anybody - It would RUIN the Meme.

-S-

re: #99 LoFlyer

Ah the gas chamber. I went through that in Orlando in '76. Hide in the back and repeat the 10 general orders without choking. Nothing to it!

There was a guy in my group that panic'd and attacked the exit door and when the DI tried to stop him, he started punching the DI and they started rolling around that puke/snot covered floor while we were chocked...we stayed in the gas chamber an extra couple of minutes because of that fight. It felt like 20m minutes.

needless to say, we never saw that guy again.

re: #99 LoFlyer

Ah the gas chamber. I went through that in Orlando in '76. Hide in the back and repeat the 10 general orders without choking. Nothing to it!

CS was easy. I could walk around in there without the mask for quite awhile with little discomfort. Except for the ~ONE~ time I forgot I had my contacts in. I came out of the chamber pretty fast that day and liked to ripped my eyeballs out.

re: #26 Big Steve

That is only good for ice floating on water. Most of the ice in the world (Greenland, Antarctica) is sitting on land.

Note that the land itself is floating -- not on water, but on molten magma -- and if the glaciers on Greenland and Antarctica melt, those two land masses will very gradually rise. But I'm not 100% sure how (or whether) this would in turn affect global sea levels.

_{When I was a kid in high school, I read an essay by Isaac Asimov -- or maybe it was Carl Sagan -- discussing "degrees of falsehood." Once upon a time, even educated people thought the Earth was flat; later on, educated people came to understand that that the Earth is actually a sphere; still later, it was understood that the Earth is an "oblate spheroid" that bulges at the Equator while being slightly flattened from pole to pole. And nowadays we can measure our planet's shape with enough precision to know that the pole-to-pole flattening is not perfectly symmetrical, since the Antarctic ice mass depresses the southern pole and thus makes the Earth very very slightly pear shaped, instead of very very slightly M&M-shaped. (An M&M being an extreme form of the "oblate spheroid" shape, in contrast to a "prolate spheroid," which is exemplified by an American-style football.)
 
Anyway, the point of the essay was that although the people who called the Earth an "oblate spheroid" were slightly incorrect, they were LESS incorrect than those who thought it was a perfect sphere, and MUCH LESS incorrect than those who thought the Earth was a flat disc.
 
And my only point in bringing all that up was to explain why I happened to know that the weight of glacial ice causes Antarctica to "float lower" on the magma sea compared with other parts of the Earth's crust.}

re: #142 lawhawk

Looks like the child soldiers somewhere in Africa. They would get stoned and wear trinkets or costumes thinking that it will make them invisible or impervious to bullets.

Usually, it would make 'em quite dead. Or prey for older men to rape.

Sick stuff.

There's a big part of me that wishes I had just passed your post by without reading it... lol

re: #129 Cognito

You're such a fookin' peessimist, Cognito...

re: #137 Noam Chumpski

Good thinking. It's gotten so bad in GA over the years. You'd be better off killing someone than having a beer and driving home.

Its not about drinking and driving in GA, its about revenue enhancement. When you hit DUI roadblocks at 9 AM Saturday morning, and all you see is people pulled to the side looking for insurance papers, the issue is not DUI but revenue...

What effect has the Three Gorges Damn had?

re: #150 Outrider

CS was easy. I could walk around in there without the mask for quite awhile with little discomfort. Except for the ~ONE~ time I forgot I had my contacts in. I came out of the chamber pretty fast that day and liked to ripped my eyeballs out.

Ouch!

re: #130 Sharmuta

We need an Adopt-a-Bucket-of-Sea-Water campaign! If every person just took a bucket of water out of the ocean and took it home, we wouldn't have to worry about rising sea levels!

Sharmuta -

AND - if we do it like GHANDI - we will also have - Lots of Salt.

-S-

re: #153 Cap'n DOC

You're such a fookin' peessimist, Cognito...

Heck, man, don't blame me. I'm not making it up. Raising the oceans an inch would have wide-ranging and obliterating results.

So sayeth smarter people than me.

re: #110 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Way to make me feel old. 29 years ago...

My first time in the chamber was Feb 73 @ Fort Dix. Being on the DIs shit list that week, I did not have a real pleasant time in there.

re: #107 Friend of USA

2 % more water in the oceans should not raise them by much...

Well, I'm no expert, but let's do the math.

Say the average depth of the ocean is, one mile, 5280 feet. One percent is 52 feet. Two percent is 104 feet, or thereabouts.

re: #157 Dr. Shalit

Sharmuta -

AND - if we do it like GHANDI - we will also have - Lots of Salt.

-S-

Free sea salt!

re: #154 LoFlyer

Its not about drinking and driving in GA, its about revenue enhancement. When you hit DUI roadblocks at 9 AM Saturday morning, and all you see is people pulled to the side looking for insurance papers, the issue is not DUI but revenue...

Word, but... you're not drunk by 9? You must have some tolerance.

/joke

re: #128 lori lane

Yikes, what is that?

Please thank your son for his service, and thank you for YOURS, Maxiumus!

They have a nice gas chamber at Fort Benning.

re: #158 Cognito

Crap, you're raining on the parade, Cog. Have you no shame?

re: #161 Sharmuta

Free sea salt!

Sharmuta -

YUP!

-S-

re: #62 lifeofthemind

obama must lose pennsylvania.
he can't talk abt the residents so rudely and take the state.

From the article:

The bottom line: sea levels will rise much more than predicted by the IPCC, based on both present understanding of current glacial melt as well as evidence from the geologic record. "The IPCC noted that their estimates should be seen as minimum estimates," Carlson notes, "and they are right."

Interesting.

OT Via Drudge:

NYT TUESDAY: FAR FROM CERTAIN OBAMA WILL MEET AMBITIOUS FUNDRAISING TARGET... DEVELOPING...

re: #13 Cognito

That doesn't really apply, honestly.

Ice displaces water in a glass, so when it melts, the level remains the same. The glaciers being discussed -- on Greenland -- aren't in water, but on land. Ergo, the water will rise. The question is how much.

It may have some. Anyone know how the buoyancy of land masses effects sea level?

re: #171 spidly

It may have some. Anyone know how the buoyancy of land masses effects sea level?

Er... You're kidding, right?

Yesss. I just figured out how to make any song, any mp3, any digital music I have into the ringtone on my jailbroken iPhone. Only took me 15 minutes! My phone now has the coolest ring-sound in the entire world.

Too bad nobody ever calls! (Telling people my phone number would be a good start.)

re: #169 Typicalwhitey

OT Via Drudge:

NYT TUESDAY: FAR FROM CERTAIN OBAMA WILL MEET AMBITIOUS FUNDRAISING TARGET... DEVELOPING...

He's going to regret not going public. I just don't see the Dems being able to give that much more.

I could be wrong.

re: #171 spidly

It may have some. Anyone know how the buoyancy of land masses effects sea level?

Minimally, I should think, and only over very long periods of time.

re: #162 Noam Chumpski

Word, but... you're not drunk by 9? You must have some tolerance.

/joke

No, but some of my camping buds are! I like to watch the sunset sober, and then I'll get trashed! Its difficult to get in trouble when you are in the middle of woods with a bunch of happy drunks!

re: #129 Cognito

Not like there is a damn thing we can do about it happening, but we sure as hell can deal with it however devastating. I'm amazed by what we deal with already. Every year fire, floods, blizzards, mud slides, and hurricanes wreck havoc but we cope. We lost a whole damn major metropolitan city and the GDP barely burped!

re: #62 lifeofthemind

OT
The state poll updates are finally in at RealClearPolitics

Tuesday, September 09
Race Poll Results Spread
Pennsylvania FOX News/Rasmussen Obama 47, McCain 45 Obama +2
Ohio FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 51, Obama 44 McCain +7
Florida FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 48, Obama 48 Tie
Virginia FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2
Colorado FOX News/Rasmussen Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
National ABC News/Wash Post McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2
National CBS News McCain 46, Obama 44 McCain +2
Washington SurveyUSA Obama 49, McCain 45 Obama +4
Virginia SurveyUSA McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2

Better than I hoped, still lots of work to do, especially in PA but this looks good.

Speaking as a private citizen Coloroodian, I am baffled by the polling results.
I've seen other photos of this rally, and the crowd was HUGE.
Some reports say there were 20,000+ standing outside.

re: #176 LoFlyer

No, but some of my camping buds are! I like to watch the sunset sober, and then I'll get trashed! Its difficult to get in trouble when you are in the middle of woods with a bunch of happy drunks!

Ha!

Ok, I'm out. See y'all later.

I think it's time to conduct my own experiment. Got the glass, got the ice cubes, got the tequila, got a football game, yada, yada, yada. Have a great evening, all.

re: #128 lori lane

Yikes, what is that?

Please thank your son for his service, and thank you for YOURS, Maxiumus!

You are welcome.

Theres alot of vets in LGF and I feel at home here.

re: #174 Noam Chumpski

Noam actually you are correct.

Look at it this way:
McCain: 42 each month for two months
RNC: 100 million each month..at least for September.

Now that is at least 142 million that can be spent by McCain or in support of McCain. I realize not all of the RNC can go to him but a big chunk so lets say half.

McCain: 42 + 50 = 92 million
All without lifting a finger to fundraise.

Has Obama EVER had a month that high, including the DNC take?

No.

lifeofthemind (#101),

Rassmussen updated the State by State balance of Power. This is huge.

Wow! You ain't a kiddin'.

re: #173 zombie

Is that a fact. I suggest this as a ring tone (Metallica doing Morricone)

re: #177 Rancher

And tornadoes!

re: #130 Sharmuta

We need an Adopt-a-Bucket-of-Sea-Water campaign! If every person just took a bucket of water out of the ocean and took it home, we wouldn't have to worry about rising sea levels!

I wonder if there's some money to be made in this idea. Gullible people out there will do almost anything... Hmmm...

re: #186 Sharmuta

You always impress me, Sharmuta.

re: #186 Sharmuta

I do my part. Eight rain barrels.

/Give the city as little of my money as I can.

re: #170 buzzsawmonkey

Free Beany, too.

Where's Captain Huff'n'Puff?

"Buzz" -

On the "Huffi'n Pufin Post" - where else?

-S-

re: #145 Shiplord Kirel

Oops! Link to Fallen Angels.

"...such as one character who believes that one cannot freeze to death in the snow because ice is a crystal and "crystals are healing."

That was a jaw dropper when I first read that...wow...15 years ago.

re: #184 lawhawk

Is that a fact. I suggest this as a ring tone (Metallica doing Morricone)

No way. A good ringtone's got to grab you from the first instant, be short and catchy and memorable and distinct. Remember that most of the time you'll only ever heard the first ten seconds of it at most before answering.

re: #142 lawhawk

Looks like the child soldiers somewhere in Africa. They would get stoned and wear trinkets or costumes thinking that it will make them invisible or impervious to bullets.

Usually, it would make 'em quite dead. Or prey for older men to rape.

Sick stuff.

My wife and I watched Tears of the Sun on DVD two years ago ... I told her things were not much better nowdays, in some parts of Africa.

It was one of those movies she thought was really great, and won't watch again.

re: #135 itellu3times

Linky?

So, if sea level rises even a couple of feet, how about we refill the Dead Sea, Great Rift Valley, and Qattara Depression? Maybe extend the Gulf of California back up into the California desert? Should take care of things for a couple of thousand years.

Here's one. This attributes a 61.1 meter rise to the hypothetical melting of the Antarctic ice sheet and 7.2 to Greenland, so I might have misremembered the exact amount (though glaciers would add several more meters to the total).

re: #163 The Other Les

They have a nice gas chamber at Fort Benning.

God, was that a s***ty little room. snot and puke all over the floor from the previous walk-throughs and that gas made every pore in your body start pouring liquids.

re: #183 Geepers

Intrade has them almost even now lol

Let's all get in the ocean at the same time and see what will happen.

re: #194 Maximu§

Little advice, stay out of gas chambers.

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, OR, check out #172 in the "Obama Losing Women" thread, if you haven't seen it.

What do you want, a medal?

Okay, dammit, here's your medal (muttering jealously).

Half-point off for a false rhyme!

You sparkle like scales in a salmon run
And I stuck myself with Joe Biden

Ha! You suck!

/

re: #197 HelloDare

If it turns green it wasn't me.

re: #191 zombie

No way. A good ringtone's got to grab you from the first instant, be short and catchy and memorable and distinct. Remember that most of the time you'll only ever heard the first ten seconds of it at most before answering.

By that criteria, "Ice Ice Baby" is the finest ringtone ever written.

That's why, when my phone rings, it sounds like Sheriff Taylor is calling from Mayberry.

re: #198 Rancher

Little advice, stay out of gas chambers.

Good luck with that.

re: #192 jwb7605

My wife and I watched Tears of the Sun on DVD two years ago ... I told her things were not much better nowdays, in some parts of Africa.

It was one of those movies she thought was really great, and won't watch again.

Despite 1) really cool small unit tactics, and 2) Monica Bellucci, I really didn't think the movie was great. Okay, but not great. The writing was kind of trite.

re: #197 HelloDare

Let's all get in the ocean at the same time and see what will happen.

Then we could each grab our bucket of sea water while we're there. Brilliant!

re: #198 Rancher

Little advice, stay out of gas chambers.

I only been in it once, but that was enough. I told my son to not eat before going in there and I hope he followed my advice.

re: #191 zombie

No way. A good ringtone's got to grab you from the first instant, be short and catchy and memorable and distinct. Remember that most of the time you'll only ever heard the first ten seconds of it at most before answering.

Prelude to Cello Suite No. 1 (J.S. Bach). Works for me.

re: #178 jwb7605

Speaking as a private citizen Coloroodian, I am baffled by the polling results.
I've seen other photos of this rally, and the crowd was HUGE.
Some reports say there were 20,000+ standing outside.

Coloroodian moonbats in Boolder?

Oh no! Greta is in Alaska. Somebody's gonna' die!

re: #120 Occasional Reader

And Greenland was, er, green.

Not very. The name Greenland was invented by the Patron Saint of Real Estate Agents, Erik the Red. He noticed that Scandinavians were hesitant about moving to his homeland just because it was named Iceland. So when Erik became a principal in a development company luring people to new time shares on the big island to the North he nixed the first suggestion that it be called Frozen Waste. There is no truth to the rumor that it was going to be called Melts and It Becomes White Water, beautiful as that undoubtedly sounds in Old Norse.

The place was habitable when the Icelandic colonists arrived, but green seems a stretch. Over the the next few hundred years the bones of each generation grew smaller as the colonies slowly starved into oblivion.

re: #198 Rancher

Little advice, stay out of gas chambers.

BUt the gas chamber is the best (and worse) part of the basic/boot camp training. Watching all your buds come outof the chamber with 3 ft long snot trails. another one trailing a lung. AHHH Fun Times!

can someone answer this.millions of cubic feet of snowmelt flow into rivers all over the world that flow into the oceans.Does that raise sea levels?

re: #206 Occasional Reader

Prelude to Cello Suite No. 1 (J.S. Bach). Works for me.

Yes, Going for the One is my ringtone.

Yeah, maybe a better debate would ask why the Bush administration is planning to sell the United Arab Emirates an advanced U.S. missile defense system valued at up to $7 billion ...

Listen to me giving advice. I tell everyone who works in the local prison to get out but I'll probable go back in April.

/Do as I say not...

re: #207 wolfie

Coloroodian moonbats in Boolder?

Partly. Denver has them outnumbered by far.
Colorado Springs has a huge Hispanic population, and look at that turnout.

This is one of those "2+2=5 for large values of 2" things for me.

re: #172 Cognito

Er... You're kidding, right?

you are not a physics guy I take it.

Check this link from the page Charles posted:

[Link: www.sciam.com...]

Apparently the unprecedented climate change we are witnessing today isn't quite as unprecedented as we had thought. The article does it's best to spin out a conclusion that this should make us even more concerned about the 'extra' effect of man-made global warming, which could be a valid point, but the reader can't fail to notice another of Al Gore's assumptions bite the dust.

The sooner Bush leaves the better

Ocean levels are dropping.

When I was five years old the ocean was neck deep at about ten feet from the beach
Now I have go out at least fifty feet to reach neck deep water.

/

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

That was the Roman equivalent of the Donner Party. They became snowbound, and reverted to Hannibalism.

They ate elephants?

As the glaciers melt the deep Ocean currents will change and the transfer of heat from the middle of the planet toward the poles will shift. We might even see Northern Europe fall into a deep freeze if the glaciers melt too much. .

re: #219 So?

The sooner Bush leaves the better

I agree, the banking bailout today is a financial 9/11.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... Glaciers have been melting since the end of the Little Ice Age. Check out the historical glacial terminus points for Glacier Bay, Alaska, for example.

re: #166 nyc redneck

obama must lose pennsylvania.
he can't talk abt the residents so rudely and take the state.

Amazing isn't it that it is close? We must accept that fact and then explain it.

re: #186 Sharmuta

I wonder if there's some money to be made in this idea. Gullible people out there will do almost anything... Hmmm...

Next you'll tell me there are people dumb enough to send money to Al Gore to "offset their carbon footprint," Get real.

re: #209 lifeofthemind

Liar! It was a tropical rain forest. Complete with monkeys. MONKEYS, dammit!

/

re: #52 Sharmuta

OK- I read this twice now, and my take is... they really don't know what the hell is going to happen, nor at any point was cooling in the future taken into account. They're not even sure how the earth's wobble might affect this. It just really reaffirms my position that climatology is chaos in motion- good luck making predictions.

All true. But notice what the author concludes anyway:

"The bottom line: sea levels will rise much more than predicted by the IPCC, based on both present understanding of current glacial melt as well as evidence from the geologic record."

re: #219 So?

1/20/09...get used to it.

The Laurentide ice sheet that stretched as far south as New York State and Ohio some 20,000 years ago had retreated to eastern Canada, just across the water from Greenland, by roughly 11,000 years ago thanks to increased sunlight (due to the periodic wobble in Earth's axis known as precession)

How does Al Gore explain that one?

re: #210 saberry0530

By the time I went into corrections I was at home with what I called my Ultimate Mentholatum. Pepperspray I never got used to.

re: #219 So?

The sooner Bush leaves the better

I thought he was going to be King forever?
Too bad. That would be cool.

Good news is that for simple minded creatures - the sea levels will return to "normal" the second he leaves office. It's a scientific fact!

re: #175 itellu3times

Well the oceans get heavier so that forces the land masses up. Probably not as much as the water rises though earth being denser than water. The land mass under Greenland and Antarctica would rise a lot if the ice came off. Which gives the answer, when the low lying areas flood we move to Greenland. Actually it is really complicated because the low lying land are mostly river deltas that are there because that is where the water stops flowing and dumps the dirt. If sea level rises slow enough it is a self compensating system. New Orleans has two problems, one they do not allow annual floods to add silt to the city and raise the ground level and the Mississippi river is channelled so the dirt from the midwest is not dumped in the delta but further out in the Gulf of Mexico. The US has really no issues there is plenty of land for us to retreat to even for large increases in sea level and plenty of money to pay for it.

re: #130 Sharmuta

We need an Adopt-a-Bucket-of-Sea-Water campaign! If every person just took a bucket of water out of the ocean and took it home, we wouldn't have to worry about rising sea levels!

Does anyone else remember The Man Who Stole the Atlantic Ocean? The title character (and a few dozen accomplices) manages his colossal act of theft by sipping up the ocean with straws and spitting it into empty pickle jars, one mouthful at a time.

Hilariously absurdist kid's book, but long out of print because of its un-PC treatment of obesity. (The ringleader of the thieves, Mr. Fudgeripple Pouchhappy, is an enormously fat man who decides to steal the ocean because he looks ridiculous in a bathing suit.)

Floating ice has no effect on sea level, even if it melts. It's only glaciers, or ice on land, that has an effect. Most of the Arctic is floating ice. The Greenland glacier has grown in some places and shrunk in others, and it's hard to determine the net amount of melting/growth.

The Antarctic, otoh, is frozen solid, save for a small peninsula jutting out from it.

Anyway, AGW is so much hype. The foremost atmospheric scientists in the world aren't buying it, such as Lindzen.

re: #232 FrogMarch

Isn't he running? Obama seems to be running against him.

re: #62 lifeofthemind

OT
The state poll updates are finally in at RealClearPolitics

Tuesday, September 09
Race Poll Results Spread
Pennsylvania FOX News/Rasmussen Obama 47, McCain 45 Obama +2
Ohio FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 51, Obama 44 McCain +7
Florida FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 48, Obama 48 Tie
Virginia FOX News/Rasmussen McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2
Colorado FOX News/Rasmussen Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
National ABC News/Wash Post McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2
National CBS News McCain 46, Obama 44 McCain +2
Washington SurveyUSA Obama 49, McCain 45 Obama +4
Virginia SurveyUSA McCain 49, Obama 47 McCain +2

Better than I hoped, still lots of work to do, especially in PA but this looks good.

Need a good deal of work in Pennsylvania, Florida and Colorado (both were red in '04), but I'm pleasantly surprised at Washington.

re: #212 beens21

can someone answer this.millions of cubic feet of snowmelt flow into rivers all over the world that flow into the oceans.Does that raise sea levels?

Spring melts in the north are match by fall snows in the south and vice versa. I'm not sure if there is a seasonal trend to oceans levels or not, maybe a small one.

I'm shocked. I'm looking at Colorado right now as possibly the most key state in the election.

I would remind folks that CO hasn't gone for the democrat ticket in quite a few years.

FrogMarch (#232),

I thought he was going to be King forever?

Well yeah. The next 9/11 is planned for the beginning of November, then Chimpy McDeathwhore suspends the elections and assumes Dictator for Life status.

The kos kidz told me so.

re: #90 Outrider

Interesting.

I've never bought this. I remember last year they were bitching about a melting glacier in the Alps that had been there "forever". Then some fool archeologist went and discovered Roman armor and weapons under the ice. Guess it hadn't been there that long eh?

Nobel-prize winning IPCC are "deniers" about the Medievel Warming Period (and other warm periods). It's that whole "hockey stick" graph scam.

re: #240 Geepers

FrogMarch (#232),

Well yeah. The next 9/11 is planned for the beginning of November, then Chimpy McDeathwhore suspends the elections and assumes Dictator for Life status.

The kos kidz told me so.

They were certainly saying that 4 years ago.

re: #175 itellu3times

Minimally, I should think, and only over very long periods of time.

has to be more than significant. were the mona loa would be 30,000 ft high if all above sea level and would not stand.

Cognito - the fact that something sinks does not mean there is no buoyancy effect. everything outside of a vacuum is effected by its buoyancy in the air / liquid / amorphous solid / etc.. it is in

re: #242 jwb7605

They were certainly saying that 4 years ago.

Yeah...stupidest man on earth...takes over earth.

re: #236 Rancher

Isn't he running? Obama seems to be running against him.

Obama is running against Bush. Kinda pathetic really.

re: #10 Noam Chumpski

Ice is mostly air. Net sea level rise equals... zero.

You ever put ice in a glass of water and let it melt? Often the level drops. Jeesh.

Ice is all water, not mostly air. Snow if fluffy and airy, but the ice in an icecap is quite solid. As to ice in a glass of water, we're not talking about melting sea ice. If and when that melts, it makes the earth darker and so more of the incoming sunlight is absorbed as heat, but there is no direct effect on sea level.

We're talking about ice that now sits above the sea in ice caps in Greenland and Antarctica. If you want an analogy, what if you put a stack of ice cubes on a tray that drains into that glass of water? As the ice cubes melt, yes, Virginia, the water level in the glass rises.

It's just astonishing how people who insist on believing X reject any and all reasons pointing to Y.

re: #201 Cognito

By that criteria, "Ice Ice Baby" is the finest ringtone ever written.

Ahem. You mean ''Under Pressure''.

re: #234 Throbert McGee

I'm telling ya- there's money to be made here.

re: #240 Geepers

FrogMarch (#232),

Well yeah. The next 9/11 is planned for the beginning of November, then Chimpy McDeathwhore suspends the elections and assumes Dictator for Life status.

The kos kidz told me so.

W. and Laura as so slick.

re: #93 lawhawk

They need to get Sarah out to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Colorado with a serious energy speech when she comes back from Alaska. Play to her depth of experience strengths, which has to do with energy and reform.

I saw an interview today (can't remember who with, dangit) with someone out in California, and it looks like the CA republicans are going out in full force, led by the campaign folks who helped Arnold turn around his campaign. And from what the CA Rep guy said, McCain is around 9-13 points behind in what should be a heavy Dem state with a sizable lead.

They also need to see if they can put Washington State in play. Reform might play well there.

The reason the sea levels are getting higher are because of Sarah Palin's depth, man. She's a terrorist man... I'm so scared.

IMPEACH SARAH!

/isn't this kos?

Math:

Earth - 71% water, 29% land.
Ice occupies 9% more volume than water.

To raise ocean levels by 200 feet, we'd need 218 feet of ice.
Gotta stack that up on the LAND...
There's 2.4 times more ocean than land, so we'd need 530 feet of ice on every square inch of land.

I think we're safe...

re: #201 Cognito

By that criteria

Criterion.

(or, "By those criteria", take your pick)

I live at 700 ft elevation. Not losing any sleep over this.

re: #254 rawmuse

I live at 700 ft elevation. Not losing any sleep over this.

lemme know when you get nervous ... I'm only at 5400.

I live at +5.0-FT... I sell out when the boys are out of high school!

re: #252 brinkley

Math:

Earth - 71% water, 29% land.
Ice occupies 9% more volume than water.

To raise ocean levels by 200 feet, we'd need 218 feet of ice.
Gotta stack that up on the LAND...
There's 2.4 times more ocean than land, so we'd need 530 feet of ice on every square inch of land.

I think we're safe...

Even more than that. As the ocean rises, it inundates land, which if the rise is enough can very significantly change the area of the oceans. That means you need more water.

re: #257 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Right you are...
Anyway, I've always been stunned that so many people buy this stuff as remotely plausible.

...and meanwhile I am enjoying the views...

re: #255 jwb7605

I'll let you know if I become an island. ;)

re: #158 Cognito

Heck, man, don't blame me. I'm not making it up. Raising the oceans an inch would have wide-ranging and obliterating results.

So sayeth smarter people than me.

One inch? And you believed these supposedly smart people?

re: #168 Jimmah

From the article:

Interesting.

Well, it might be - if it was actually supported by the rest of the article.

Read critically, my man...

The Bible doesn't say anything about the effects of climate change, thus pure logic insists that it's all a liberal atheist European conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

re: #263 negativ

no doubt... liberal, atheist AND European...

re: #262 Optimizer

Well, it might be - if it was actually supported by the rest of the article.

Read critically, my man...

From the article:

"Given that Greenland's glaciers are not presently moving anywhere close to that pace—Kangerdlugssuaq Glacier, the fastest, reached speeds above nine miles (14 kilometers) per year in 2005—the researchers also looked at ice that could contribute from the rest of the world. Assuming that the largest remaining ice shelves in East Antarctica—Filchner-Ronne and Ross—will remain intact, sea level rise from all other melting ice and the expansion of seawater as the weather gets warmer over the next century would be somewhere between 2.6 feet (0.8 meter) and six feet (two meters)—or nearly twice as much as projected last year by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

This does not take into account how much sea level might swell from the metldown of the numerous small glaciers in Alaska, Argentina, Canada and Russia, which already contribute 60 percent of sea level rise from glacial melt. (In fact, Pfeffer notes that they are melting faster and therefore adding to sea levels more rapidly than Greenland and Antarctica combined currently do.) Nor is it clear whether something might suddenly occur to change that upper estimate. "If those two big ice shelves [in Antarctica] go out, then it's an entirely different situation," Pfeffer says. "But there's no good evidence that that's going to happen over the next century."

The article does support that claim, in fact it represents it as conservative. Whether you agree with the temperature projections that support depends on is another matter.