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Barack Obama: Not a Muslim?

Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:37:24 am PDT

Jackie and Dunlap weigh in on the “Is Barack Obama a Muslim?” controversy, with some exclusive outtake footage from that interview with George Stephanopoulos.

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(Hat tip: AP.)

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1 bp sf  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:38:07am

Is.

2 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:40:14am

Hahahahahaha! Toons- they fall for it every time.

3 Talking Stick  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:40:45am

As the wheels begin falling off the Obama band wagon, it is revealing less a bold and confident player and more a frightened individual reduced to trash talking, name calling and sophomoric gibberish. Already, contributors who need a winner are beginning to desert him like rats from the Titanic.

I believe what is happening here is the beginning freefall of a man blinded by his own ambition and hubris like Silas Lapham in William Howell’s classic book - a spineless man with undeveloped character who has Peter Principled himself on the vain hope of being part of the clubby South Chicago Hyde Park triumvirate of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, American terrorist, Bill Ayers and a neighbor living but three blocks away and titular head of the most racist white hating groups in America, Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam. It can be argued that Farrakhan is more dangerous than former KKK Wizard, David Duke because of the whiff of murderous revenge surrounding him.

Interestingly, Obama himself has allowed Nation of Islam members to occupy key positions on his staffs both as an Illinois legislator and as a US Senator. Jennifer Mason, a member of the Nation of Islam was on Obama’s Senate office payroll as late as August 2008 as Director of Constituent Services. She was also responsible for selecting his interns. So many racist, anti-American, shady types have been associated with Obama that I ask you to name me someone who has been associated with him for any length of time who doesn’t fit this description.

The unvarnished truth of this South Chicago story needs to be opened and told in no uncertain terms because it is an object lesson in Left Wing Marxist stealth and subterfuge that has so badly split this nation and is crippling its ability to act coherently.

The media as a facilitator of this fifth column mess is culpable and must continue to be exposed and taken to task. Obama’s political rise would not have occurred with it. That it took hours to begin attacking Sarah Palin’s religion yet fifteen months before acknowledging what passes as Jeremiah Wright’s religion is the media’s shameful legacy that is more like the m.o. of Tass or Pravda in the old USSR than of an enlightened free press..

4 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:41:15am

Is not.

5 alegrias  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:41:44am

On February 27th, speaking to Kristof of The New York Times, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."
The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet? "

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam. Obama chanted it with pride and finesse.

[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]

6 jcm  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:41:47am

Red Herring IMHO. It's like the birth certificate, it's impossible to prove one way or another, only BHO knows.

I can prove every significant influence in BHO's life is MARXIST!
I can prove with his own words he's a disaster in waiting.

7 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:42:01am

Funny!

8 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:42:34am

It looks like George was all tingly up his leg during that interview.

9 Thanos  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:42:55am

Hilarious.

Is not, unless you ask Ghaddaffi.

10 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:43:23am
11 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:43:30am

Duck season!

12 beniyyar  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:43:40am

I really think Obama used to be a non practicing Moslem, until he needed Rev. Wright's church and personal support for his political career, then Obama converted to Christianity.

13 sefton  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:43:42am

Wabbit season !

14 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:43:53am

re: #10 lawhawk

Hey. Stop stepping on my lines.

15 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:44:15am

It's moose season, and Sarahcuda's got a license.

16 livefreeor die  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:44:16am

re: #5 alegrias

On February 27th, speaking to Kristof of The New York Times, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."
The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet? "

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam. Obama chanted it with pride and finesse.

[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]


I was wondering about that too. Also, I thought you had to be Muslim to attend a madrassah (sp?) school.

17 padre  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:44:54am

You must be a Christianist!

(can't believe I heard that term on H&C last night)

18 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:45:28am

Wabbits!

19 alegrias  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:45:40am

re: #16 livefreeor die

I was wondering about that too. Also, I thought you had to be Muslim to attend a madrassah (sp?) school.

* * *
Maybe you can just vote "present"!
But you can never leave.

20 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:45:51am
21 seekeroftruth  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:46:06am

re: #5 alegrias

You can also find that NYT artice quoted right on Obama's official presidential candidate website:
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

22 jetprop  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:46:12am

LMAO!

/am not.. am too

23 marieusa4me  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:47:12am

Hi .. long time lurker in trubble. I am on a dial up computer at the moment. Yesterday while trying to get on Hughes, I get the below message.

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/1.3.41 Server at littlegreenfootballs.com Port 80

Have I been blocked, has Hughes blocked this site?

Help please. I can live without a lot of things but I NEED littlegreenfootballs.

24 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:47:19am

Obama woulda made a great VP ...

25 Dustyvet  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:47:32am

It's wabbat season, it's duck season, it's wabbit season, it's duck season, it's duck season! BOOM!

26 simonml  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:47:34am

ROFL. The impressions are wonderfully terrible too!

27 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:47:34am

re: #15 Sharmuta

It's moose season, and Sarahcuda's got a license.

Wait for it...

28 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:47:52am

re: #16 livefreeor die

I was wondering about that too. Also, I thought you had to be Muslim to attend a madrassah (sp?) school.

Ah, but it was a secular madrassah!

/can't remember which msm idiot said that

29 alegrias  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:48:00am

re: #17 padre

You must be a Christianist!

(can't believe I heard that term on H&C last night)

* * *
That reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution is an unreconstructed, hatefilled partisan. Her name escapes me at present, but she is abuses her position for revenge purposes against our great society. USA, love it or leave it please.

30 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:48:03am
31 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:48:31am

Three step program for political success:
1. Get wired in with unsavory characters who provide money and muscle.

2 Get a rumor planted that you are a crazy cannibal who clubs baby seals.

3. Discredt the rumors and no one will be able to touch you.

4. Go back to clubbing baby seals after lunch.

Four step dammit I meant a four step progam.

32 alegrias  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:49:06am

re: #21 seekeroftruth

* * *
Thank you for finding a better link to his ode to allah than that yahoo one.

33 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:49:19am

I fell out of my chair laughing.

34 Phocid  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:49:30am

Well, if his father was a Muslim that would mean he was born a Muslim and once a Muslim it would be forbidden to leave the faith, even if he never practiced it seriously as an adult. As the NYT pointed out, becoming a Christian he was therefore eligible for the death penalty and any Muslim could carry out the sentence. The only way Muslims could excuse his avowed Christianity would be to believe that he was only pretending to be Christian to fool the infidels (a tactic approved by Islamic law.) Evidently that's exactly what they do believe and that nincompoop Gadaffy actually said as much.

35 Rednek  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:49:37am

re: #3 Talking Stick

...Peter Principled himself...

I love it! I nominated this as Verb of the Day!

36 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:49:46am

Now, I don't think Obama is a Muslim, but it is pretty astonishing that only 29% of his supporters believe that Supreme Court justices should base their decisions on what is written in the Constitution. The rest think the justices should base their decisions on.... you know.


(hat tip: Hot Air)

37 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:50:29am

re: #12 beniyyar

I really think Obama used to be a non practicing Moslem, until he needed Rev. Wright's church and personal support for his political career, then Obama converted to Christianity Black Liberation Enslavement Theology.

Fixed it. I think most Christians wouldn't all that Christianity. I'm Jewish, but I hear that Christ had love for all, not just blacks, with hate for everyone else on the side.

38 padre  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:51:01am

re: #29 alegrias

* * *
That reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution is an unreconstructed, hatefilled partisan. Her name escapes me at present, but she is abuses her position for revenge purposes against our great society. USA, love it or leave it please.

Wait, it was on O'Reilly..."I stand by what I said blah blah..."

39 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:51:11am

WTF is up with that Tennessee flag?

40 alegrias  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:51:17am

re: #34 Phocid

Well, if his father was a Muslim that would mean he was born a Muslim and once a Muslim it would be forbidden to leave the faith, even if he never practiced it seriously as an adult. As the NYT pointed out, becoming a Christian he was therefore eligible for the death penalty and any Muslim could carry out the sentence. The only way Muslims could excuse his avowed Christianity would be to believe that he was only pretending to be Christian to fool the infidels (a tactic approved by Islamic law.) Evidently that's exactly what they do believe and that nincompoop Gadaffy actually said as much.

* * *
Obama and his party telling us taqqiya? Say it ain't so!

41 seekeroftruth  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:51:59am

re: #32 alegrias

NP. That's a interesting post on Yahoo. I surprised to see that NYT article mainstreamed on to Yahoo.

42 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:52:05am

re: #36 Occasional Reader

You're not really surprised are you?

43 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:52:45am

Much better than those OBL tapes !

44 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:53:14am

re: #36 Occasional Reader Anyone who links to that song should be tarred and feathered...

45 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:53:30am

While I think the Muslim world would be delighted to claim him as one of their own-I really don't think this theme helps the Republican campaign. Yes-I know that religion is patrimonial in Islam-but I think this is a pointless avenue.

46 Scorch  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:53:35am

ROFL....just a spoof but thanks for the midweek pickup.

47 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:54:05am

re: #45 WriterMom

Ahh shit! The spell check put patrimonial instead of patrilineal in my post. ROFL! I just clicked awayyyyyy.

HAHAHHAAHHAHA

48 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:54:42am

re: #24 experiencedtraveller

Obama woulda made a great VP ...

I have to disagree, but hey, that's just me. I don't think I'd even vote for him to be dogcatcher.

49 padre  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:54:47am

re: #39 MandyManners

WTF is up with that Tennessee flag?

I think it is a space between the 7th red stripe of Old Glory and a right side up TN flag, making it look like the TN flag stripe on the left side.

50 Dave the.....  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:55:03am
I really think Obama used to be a non practicing Moslem, until he needed Rev. Wright's church and personal support for his political career, then Obama converted to Christianity.

That's my take. His mother was an athiest, his absent father a muslim. Correct?

By the way, PDS is getting into high gear again. We may have some threads on that soon.

51 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:55:17am

re: #45 WriterMom

All avenues are taken in politics. Which way will people go on this avenue? On average away from "D" and toward "R", I reckon.

52 Dustyvet  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:55:21am
53 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:55:49am

re: #6 jcm

I can prove every significant influence in BHO's life is MARXIST!
I can prove with his own words he's a disaster in waiting.

Hopefully the McCain/Palin '08 campaign can too. And soon. And loudly. And often.

54 ladycatnip  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:55:57am

#5 alegrias

On February 27th, speaking to Kristof of The New York Times, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."...

An attempt to romanticize islam. Isn't it beautiful?! Like a moth to the flame.

55 yma o hyd  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:56:20am

re: #6 jcm

Red Herring IMHO. It's like the birth certificate, it's impossible to prove one way or another, only BHO knows.

I can prove every significant influence in BHO's life is MARXIST!
I can prove with his own words he's a disaster in waiting.

Yep - thats the important point!
As marxist/communist, he disdains any religion. Religion is just some sort of outer decoration for him, to be used as prop to hide his true allegiance - which is neither to Christianity nor to Islam, but to Marx/Engels/Lenin/Stalin.

56 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:56:41am

Muslim? Christian? I don't particularly care.

Obama lacks the character and fitness to be President. Period.

57 sifty  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:56:45am

Don't care if BHO's Mom or Dad were muz. Just wish they hadn't dropped him on his head so much.

58 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:56:58am

re: #54 ladycatnip

On February 27th, speaking to Kristof of The New York Times, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."...

I have to restrain my comments on that.

59 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:57:25am

re: #45 WriterMom

While I think the Muslim world would be delighted to claim him as one of their own-I really don't think this theme helps the Republican campaign. Yes-I know that religion is patrimonial in Islam-but I think this is a pointless avenue.

I tend to agree with you. Just like the liberal vitriol against Palin tends to just attract fence sitters to the McCain side, I think this sort of thing tends to work the other way.

60 marieusa4me  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:57:41am

anyone ... pretty please (post 23)

61 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:57:53am

re: #51 Ojoe

I think more people will judge BHO on his non-record of accomplishment, his leftist/Marxist "community" affiliation and organization, his support of infanticide and his general embodiment of affirmative action programs RATHER than the Muslim connections.

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:58:06am

re: #3 Talking Stick

You don't say much. But when you do....

63 RickZ  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:58:36am

re: #50 Dave the.....

That's my take. His mother was an athiest, his absent father a muslim. Correct?

I'd call Barack, Sr. a Marxist before I'd call him a muslim. I think he had a muslim upbringing and muslim 'roots', but anyone who believes in taxing anything at 100% has gotta be a commie.

64 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:58:49am

re: #60 marieusa4me

What is Hughes? Are you having trouble accessing other sites like say-Jihad Watch, or Hot Air or zombietime? If you detect a pattern-maybe you are right about a possible 'political' block of certain sites.

65 yma o hyd  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:58:50am

re: #45 WriterMom

While I think the Muslim world would be delighted to claim him as one of their own-I really don't think this theme helps the Republican campaign. Yes-I know that religion is patrimonial in Islam-but I think this is a pointless avenue.

Agree.
Its a red herring, like that birth certificate.
McCain and Palin would be well advised to totally disregard this 'is he a Muslim'- non-issue.

There are far more important issues to pick in regard to the B0.

66 Dustyvet  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:58:55am

Wait for it...:)

67 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:59:15am
68 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:59:22am

re: #56 lawhawk

That's exactly the point I was trying to make.

69 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:59:43am

re: #56 lawhawk

Muslim? Christian? I don't particularly care.

Obama lacks the character and fitness to be President. Period.

Ding!

70 jjag  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:00:47am

I don't think he's either Muslim or Christian.

He's a died in the wool liberal who thinks that having faith in God and practicing a religion is for idiots.

His religion is power. His faith is in his own "genius". The genius that everyone he meets assures him he is.

He's smarter than the great unwashed......YOU. The fact that you don't embrace him completely simply PROVES you're a dope.

It only makes sense; "smart" people SHOULD rule over the less smart.

Shouldn't they?

71 marieusa4me  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:00:51am

Oh thank you!
Hughes satelllite. I can get everywhere but here.

72 jcm  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:01:13am

re: #55 yma o hyd

Yep - thats the important point!
As marxist/communist, he disdains any religion. Religion is just some sort of outer decoration for him, to be used as prop to hide his true allegiance - which is neither to Christianity nor to Islam, but to Marx/Engels/Lenin/Stalin.

His choice of church (TUCC) was predicated on what could help him in is organizing efforts (his own book). Rather than any spiritual motivations. All indications are that his is a religion of convenience not conviction.

Is core principals lie elsewhere, the radicalism of his mother and mentors.

73 Dustyvet  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:01:43am

re: #71 marieusa4me

Oh thank you!
Hughes satelllite. I can get everywhere but here.

Scott me up Beamie...

74 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:01:46am

re: #71 marieusa4me

So-sorry if this is a dumb question-how are you on LGF now?

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:02:06am

re: #23 marieusa4me

Beats me.

76 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:02:25am

re: #70 jjag

Great post.

77 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:02:50am

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Very helpful! LOL.

78 marieusa4me  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:02:53am

My other computer is on dial up.

79 Vergeltung  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:03:24am

re: #45 WriterMom

While I think the Muslim world would be delighted to claim him as one of their own-I really don't think this theme helps the Republican campaign. Yes-I know that religion is patrimonial in Islam-but I think this is a pointless avenue.

there is so much other stuff out there, that is 100% verifiable, that I agree with you, this IS a pointless road, just like the birth certificate. it's really a non-issue unless some more evidence comes up.

80 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:03:32am

I think that the McCain campaign MUST go the character route on Obama... He hangs out with unsavory characters, he IS an unsavory character... Comparing Obama's character to MCCain's is not even a fair fight...

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:03:55am

re: #77 WriterMom

Very helpful! LOL.

Just sayin'. Didn't want marieusa4me to think s/he was being ignored.

82 marieusa4me  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:04:41am

Is there a way to email Charles?

83 marieusa4me  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:05:15am

I'm a she :) ... and thank you.

84 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:05:52am

re: #71 marieusa4me

Oh thank you!
Hughes satelllite. I can get everywhere but here.

Are you using the same machine via dial-up now?
Does Hughes use a proxy server?

Another thing to check, is from a command window or terminal window, type
nslookup littlegreenfootballs.com

You should see something like
Name: littlegreenfootballs.com
Address: 66.228.122.13

Try this on both systems, and if the numbers are different, something is wrong with DNS, or you have been hit by malware that changes your settings, possibly putting an entry that points elsewhere.

Or you might have just hit LGF while the hamsters were taking a nap.

85 marieusa4me  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:07:31am

No.. have 2 different computers. Will try what you suggested.. and thanks!

86 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:01am

If your name is Adolf Shicklegruber Hitler and you're not a fascist, you're still going to have an image problem.

87 Charles  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:06am

re: #23 marieusa4me

Hi .. long time lurker in trubble. I am on a dial up computer at the moment. Yesterday while trying to get on Hughes, I get the below message.

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/1.3.41 Server at littlegreenfootballs.com Port 80

Have I been blocked, has Hughes blocked this site?

Help please. I can live without a lot of things but I NEED littlegreenfootballs.

I probably blocked that IP because it was being used by a spammer to read our site automatically looking for email addresses. (A web robot operated by a spammer, to be more precise.) I get a lot of this stuff from Hughes.

If you can find out the IP that you're having this problem with I'll remove it from the list. Use that account to browse to [Link: whatsmyip.org...] and send that IP address to me through the contact form in the left sidebar.

88 Age Of Freedom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:55am

hahahaha....

89 Maine's Michael  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:57am

re: #61 WriterMom

I think more people will judge BHO on his non-record of accomplishment, his leftist/Marxist "community" affiliation and organization, his support of infanticide and his general embodiment of affirmative action programs RATHER than the Muslim connections.

Heh. Obama IS an affirmative action program.

From his acceptance to Harvard to his candidacy for president.

And that goes double for his wife - from her acceptance to Princeton, where she produced what has been described as an unreadabley error-ridden thesis filled with black anger, to her job as a VP of 'minority contractor outreach'- for a big chicago hospital, a job that apparently justifies a mid 6 figure income.

90 marieusa4me  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:11:26am

Thank you Charles!

91 FrogMarch  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:12:17am

Media Blackout On A Far-Left Past

&

Barack's dad was... sort of a communist

As a Nairobi bureaucrat, Barack Hussein Obama Sr. advised the pro-Western Kenyan government there to "redistribute" income through higher taxes. He also demonized corporations and called for massive government "investment" in social programs.

Writing in a 1965 scholarly paper, Obama's late father slammed the administration of then-President Jomo Kenyatta for moving the Third World country away from socialism toward capitalism. He chafed at the idea of relying on private investors — who earn "dividends" on their venture capital — to develop the country's fledgling economy.

"What is more important is to find means by which we can redistribute our economic gains to the benefit of all," said the senior Obama, a Harvard-educated economist. "This is the government's obligation." The "means" he had in mind were confiscatory taxes on a scale that redefines the term "progressive taxation."

92 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:12:44am

re: #45 WriterMom

While I think the Muslim world would be delighted to claim him as one of their own-I really don't think this theme helps the Republican campaign. Yes-I know that religion is patrimonial in Islam-but I think this is a pointless avenue.

100% agree.
Also, I think (not 100% sure) that even though you are raised Muslim as a child, you actually do have to recite the Shahada to make it official.

You are not required to recite that. Alternatives include ... BOOM in some of the "denominations".

93 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:15:18am

OOH. Billl Ayers thread
TTFN

94 RossM3838  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:15:29am

Obama is not a moslem but this does indicate to me that he is losing it. He is lucky that the election is in November. If it was in december he would be gone.

95 ROPMA  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:16:18am

Just how stupid are the American people ..... I guess we will see in Nov....

Thought Provoking.


A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine that America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.

Pause a moment, reflect back.

These events are actual events from history.

They really happened.

Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40.
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
3 In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked
and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles
to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two,
one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and
crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by
Muslim male extremists between the of 17 and 40.
12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

Do you see a pattern here to justify profiling?

Nonetheless, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone,
particularly fanatics intent on killing us,

Airport security screeners will no longer be allowed
to profile certain people...

Absolutely No Profiling!

They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women,
little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents
who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old
Congressmen with metal hips, and

Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss,

But leave

Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

According to The Book of Revelation:
The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s , of MUSLIM descent,
who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a
MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will
flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace,
and when he is in power,

He will destroy everything.


And Now:

For the award winning

Act of Stupidity

Of all times the People of America want to elect, to the most Powerful position on the face of the Planet --

The Presidency of the United states of America


A Muslim

Male

in his 40s!

Say what you want, he was born a Muslim (and is still considered
a Muslim by his family), to a Mus lim father. His mother remarried,
yep another Muslim so what makes you think she didn't raise him
as a Muslim? His African family is Muslim, he attended a Muslim school.

Have the American People completely lost their Minds,

96 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:20:00am

re: #12 beniyyar

The man has no moral compass. None.

97 marieusa4me  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:21:59am

IP address sent.

Thanks again :)

98 SagamoreGal  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:22:50am

#29 -

"re: #17 padre

You must be a Christianist!

(can't believe I heard that term on H&C last night)

* * *
That reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution is an unreconstructed, hatefilled partisan. Her name escapes me at present, but she is abuses her position for revenge purposes against our great society. USA, love it or leave it please."

I used to live in ATL. Cynthia Tucker was never so crazy left-wing until Obama hit the national scene and she started hanging out with Chrissy Matthews as one of his panelists on Chrissy's Sunday talk show.
She's the Editorial Page Director of the AJC. She graduated from a very conservative Alabama college (Auburn Univ - of which I'm a proud alum). She took on the King family for years in her columns, earning herself much derision from the "old guard" of the ATL civil rights establishment. And, she bashed Cynthia McKinney every chance she could in her columns.

She has become more leftist as Bush Derangement began to take over her ideology.

99 Edgar  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:30:03am

How does Obama choosing his words not-so-carefully and making a minor mistake, then having people quote it out of context, mean he's "running scared"?

I wish someone could conclusively prove he is not a Muslim. And I wish a president's faith wasn't such a big issue in the first place. His religion is his own business. If he's a going to be bad president, that's a different story.

100 Samita  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:31:31am

#95 - How can the Bible refer to the anti-christ being Muslim when Islam didn't exist until 600 years later?

nice try at inflaming people

/yawn

101 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:32:30am

re: #12 beniyyar

I really think Obama used to be a non practicing Moslem, until he needed Rev. Wright's church and personal support for his political career, then Obama converted to Christianity.

He has his values, possibly.

102 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:37:06am

The bloom is off the Obama rose.

-- Rush

103 mattm  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:39:22am

re: #3 Talking Stick

Wow. I could not have said that better.

104 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:42:42am
105 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:47:53am
106 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:52:31am
107 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:02:49am

re: #105 ploome hineni

don't forget his 'Christian' preacher and mentor was NOI

Nobody can force me to be any religion, but Islam's own rules state that if I am born a muslim, I can't leave under a strong penalty.

108 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:08:14am
109 gr8inferno  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:08:39am

Remember Bundini? ".. I can stay away from pork, but how the hell you stay away from white women? .. how do you that? (quote for the movie Ali).

110 SnoozeAlarm  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:09:57am

The point of this video is that that one phrase by Obama ("my Muslim faith") is all you need to hear to draw the necessary conclusions (Obama is a Muslim), and that any attempt to interpret that statement any differently by referring to context is ridiculous.

The video is wrong. Listening to the entire exchange between Obama and Stephanopoulos shows that the full context does indeed put matters in a very different perspective. Here is the transcription:

GS: You mentioned your Christian faith. Yesterday, you took off after the Republicans for suggesting you have Muslim connections. Just a few minutes ago, Rick Davis, John McCain's campaign manager, said they've never done that, this is a false and cynical attempt to play victim.

BO: You know what, I mean, these guys love to throw a rock and hide their hand. The...

GS: The McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections.

BO: No, no, no, but, but... I don't think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let's say, and Republican commentators, who are closely aligned to these folks...

GS: John McCain said that's wrong.

BO: Look. Listen, you and I both know that the minute that Gov. Palin was forced to talk about her daughter, I immediately said: that's off limits. And --

GS: But John McCain said the same thing about your Christian faith.

BO: -- and what was the first thing the McCain campaign went out and did? They said look, these liberal blogs that support Obama are out there attacking Gov. Palin. Let's not play games. What I was suggesting... You are absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith and you're absolutely right that that is not --

GS: Your Christian faith

BO: -- my, my Christian faith, and, well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested --

GS: [?] connections, right.

BO: -- that I'm, that I'm a Muslim and I think that his campaign upper echelons have not either. What I think is fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp, there have efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive and that has been going on for a very long time.

So the context of the statement is Obama's protest against alleged insinuations that he has Muslim connections. So when he says "McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith", he is saying: "McCain has not talked about my alleged Muslim faith". In other words, he is saying: "McCain has not talked about 'my Muslim faith'".

I have also read claims that Stephanopoulos is playing the toady, helping Obama out of his inadvertent blunder. Again, context is instructive. Stephanopoulos has put a tough question to Obama, and has continued to hammer away no less than three times, refusing to accept Obama's responses, often interrupting Obama along the way. So George is not acting in any fawning way here.

I am no fan of Obama. His long association with Wright alone disqualifies him from any position of importance in my eyes. But this habit, which many are guilty of, of extracting snippets without consulting the full context is juvenile, deceitful and lazy.

Furthermore, even if Obama, born to a Muslim father, felt some sense of belonging on some level, with the Muslim community, this would not bother me since he has, to all appearances, spent the overwhelming proportion his time and energy these past decades of his life as a Christian. And I am speaking as a person who feels that Islam is the biggest threat facing our world today.

I listened to Obama's speech at the DNC, and I was appalled at how nonsensical, demagogic and dangerous the ideas he was expressing were. Is it not sufficient to reject the man based on his utter lack of experience and his ludicrous notions of how to manage economic and foreign policy? Do we need feel on firm enough ground using this approach? Why do we feel the need to villify every minute detail and utterance of our political opponents?

111 Lynn B.  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:21:38am

re: #110 SnoozeAlarm

The point of this video is that that one phrase by Obama ("my Muslim faith") is all you need to hear to draw the necessary conclusions (Obama is a Muslim), and that any attempt to interpret that statement any differently by referring to context is ridiculous.

Nah. The video is a joke. And a damn funny one too. It's actually making light fun of the people who are trying to read too much into that exchange.

Agree with your main point tho.

112 SecondComing  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:46:34am

re: #111 Lynn B.

Nah. The video is a joke. And a damn funny one too. It's actually making light fun of the people who are trying to read too much into that exchange.

exactly. I think we all got it.

I didn't see the whole interview but I thought it was weird how Obama kept acting like McCain should do more. When he's addressed the 'issue' already.

113 markie  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:48:37am

It may not be proof, but the slip is not insignificant. And neither is GS's coaching.

114 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:53:56am
115 SecondComing  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:56:15am

re: #113 markie

It may not be proof, but the slip is not insignificant. And neither is GS's coaching.

Imagine if that was a Republican and there had been those questions surrounding him and he made a slip like that.

116 SnoozeAlarm  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:00:36am

re: #114 ploome hineni

the NY Post article begins

Obama stayed at that church for 20 years because he BELIEVES and lives by the teaching of the Rev Wright

With all due fairness, none of us knows what lurks in the hearts and minds of each other. Personally, I don't think that Obama believes in "God damn America". (About Michelle, I'm not so sure.)

I believe that Obama had his own political motives for attending that church which, by all accounts, was the church for an aspiring Chicagoan politician to attend. But it matters not to me -- anyone who attends a church with that kind of hate-mongering, for whatever motives, is traiyf in my eyes.

117 rorschach  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:05:13am

The main controversy as researched by certain authors (who will remain nameless) is not whether or not obama is currently a muslim. It centers around a statement made by obama that he never had instruction in islam.

Certain authors (ahem) have merely tried to prove that this is another of obama's many lies/distortions/obfuscations regarding his past life.

118 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:12:42am
119 steve  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:14:17am

re: #116 SnoozeAlarm


Very well stated.

120 steve  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:17:50am

But then again, nobody stays in a church for twenty years without picking up some of the attributes of the pastor and congregation.

If J. Wright hates 'god dam america' why does he continue to stay? Probably the money.

121 Teacake!  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:24:20am

IF his white Christian granny raised him she is naturally going to have him go to church with her and I doubt he ever officially converted, on his own or by granny. I have a major feeling his he identifies with islam. Passing off as Christian only would help a man attending fancy universities.

122 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:32:14am

re: #121 Teacake!

Did you avoid the hurricane problems?

123 CommonSense  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:38:18am

re: #3 Talking Stick

+1 Amen.......

124 Clio  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:42:43am

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

has photocopy of school registration of "Barry Soetoro" whose religion is given as "Muslim". That of course could be merely the preference of his step-father when he himself was a child.

125 Scion9  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:44:05am

re: #95 ROPMA


1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40.

Sirhan Sirhan wasn't a Muslim. His family were Christian Arabs, but Sirhan listed among his most influential figures in his young life a secularist primary school teacher that was scathingly critical of the Muslim Arab community. The teacher indoctrinated him into Arab Nationalism, which is essentially the ideology of the PLO.

RFK was assassinated by a Palestinian over his support for Israel, but the assassin was a Pan-Arabist Communist, not a Jihadist. Sirhan Sirhan is just shy of being stark raving mad as well.

126 SnoozeAlarm  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:55:59am

re: #118 ploome hineni

what makes you personally not believe Obama believes in "God damn America".

I doubt that I'm going to convince you, because you seem pretty definite, but I would have to see some convincing evidence before I would reach such a conclusion. I don't see any. And I have explained that I think Obama had sufficient ulterior motives for attending that Church without going down that path.

We've all seen people with the "God damn America" mentality. These are not healthy people. How could they be? It's an extremely black (pun completely unintended), pessimistic, paranoid mentality. In my observation, there is invariably in such people a very recognizable seething anger, a simmering ferocity ready to erupt at any moment, to their demeanor. I've see that kind of unsettlig look in, say, Michelle Obama, or Cynthia McKinney.

In the numerous videos I've seen of Obama, I have not seen an inkling of such inclinations. He comes across, in both demeanor and in how he verbally expresses himself, as a relaxed, comfortable person. Now I think he has many faults, such as supreme arrogance. ("We are the ones we've been waiting for?" Puh-lease.) But seething rage, no.

Am I saying that mild-mannered people do not have philosophies based on rage? Well, I guess I am, if you want to get down to it! But my life experiences have led me to this outlook. People who live with a philosophy founded on rage show it very clearly, as I've observed in clips of Lenin, Hitler, Jim Jones, etc. I also see it time and again in my personal, day-to-day life.

So for example, if I were to see a video of Obama himself wax choleric, in the manner of his preacher, yes, I would indeed be quite surprised. But if I were to see such a video of his spouse, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I'll even go you one further: in some of the videos of Wright that I've seen, I've seen members in their pews jubilantly and raucously roar their approval. I simply have a hard time picturing Obama react in that manner. This is the perception I have built of the man based on what I've seen of him.

Please don't get me wrong. As the most left-wing Senator, I'm sure he has some very definite blame-America-first notions. But this vicious, hateful attitude towards America and whites -- this I have not seen in him.

I realize that this is no proof, and I can easily imagine you reading this and thinking to yourself, "Oh, poor naive boy", but as we know, sometimes, we believe in our intuitions quite strongly. I might be just as off-the-mark about Obama as Bush was about Putin following their first encounter. This is obviously not science, and I am certainly receptive to more input: if you could show me in his writings or in videos of him tendencies which might make me re-think things, then by all means.

127 LizardoidCaptain  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 12:28:15pm

If this gaffe would have happened to Palin or McCain, you can bet that they would not have been as understanding as we have in dealing with this issue.

When a gang of angry midgets wants to take out a big man, they get him to first feel guilty and tie one if his arms behind his back then all will kick him in the nuts.

128 LemonJoose  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 12:28:43pm

That was freaking hilarious! Whoever did the Obama voice got his verbal mannerisms down pat.

129 looking closely  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 12:53:03pm

Hilarious,
From the exaggerated redneckism to the caricature of Palin.
And actually spot on:
"Even if he is a Muslim that's still way down on the list of reasons for me to hate him".
LOL!

130 NoSubmission  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 12:56:12pm

Who's idea was it to stage all the farm equipment in the background?

131 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:37:45pm

now THAT is laugh out loud funny..

manages to have a go at rednecks AND obama.

which is why its so g-d darn hilarious.

(in tears here laughing at that vid)

132 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:43:17pm

re: #12 beniyyar

I think you nailed it. Barry is a shameless opportunist

133 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:43:25pm

if they can have a go at obama as a "but but but" immature schoolboy , BEFORE the election, doesnt that say something?

in TEN YEARS of Maggie Thatcher, the ONLY thing satirists could get on her was that she was a dominatrix. a "man" in womans clothing.

they couldnt even satirise her beliefs or politics.
that is the ONLY thing they could get on her.

sarah palin is like that. mark my words -you have a maggie thatcher there. and she is going to kick butt , big time.

134 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:46:42pm

re: #126 SnoozeAlarm

Barry's TOO smart to "wax choleric" or to be video-taped fist bumping in agreement with Rev. Wright.

135 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:48:05pm

re: #132 BIGDUKE 6

I think you nailed it. Barry is a shameless opportunist

"I really think Obama used to be a non practicing Moslem, until he needed Rev. Wright's church and personal support for his political career, then Obama converted to Christianity."

corrected version:

"I really think Obama used to be a non practicing Moslem, THEN BECAME ATHEIST, until he needed Rev. Wright's church and personal support for his political career, then Obama APPEARED converted to Christianity FOR POLITICAL GAIN."

if it does turn out that he is an atheist marxist - which it will if he loses the election - then it will send out a signal to future political greasey pole types - declare who you are. if you fake it, the american people wont like it.

to be honest - i think the political types underestimate the american people. thomas jefferson , a founding father, was a Deist, and very much against Christian doctrine. but at least he was honest about it.

i think the american people appreciate honesty.

obama is just a pack of lies. which is why is he failing in the polls.

136 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:50:30pm

still laughing at that video, i had to play it again... and again...

LOL!

137 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:57:01pm

re: #95 ROPMA

We are safe. Barry is 46

138 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 2:33:01pm

re: #10 lawhawk

It's wabbit season.
It's duck season.

Put aside, for a second, the debate about the psychological impact of gun violence in cartoons -- how many boys in the U.S. alone grew up to be homosexual because that elephant made it look "cool" and "funny"?

139 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 4:45:32pm
140 SnoozeAlarm  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 5:21:41pm

re: #139 ploome hineni

anyone home?

This is the second time I've had an exchange with you on this site, and this is the second time you've expressed yourself in a condescending, mocking tone. You are a rude person, and I will not be responding to any posts by you to me in the future.

141 hillbilly geek  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:30:59pm

re: #100 Samita

#95 - How can the Bible refer to the anti-christ being Muslim when Islam didn't exist until 600 years later?

nice try at inflaming people

/yawn

You've never heard of the concept of "prophecy"?
Note that I'm not defending this view, since they don't give Chapter and Verse...
...Of course, the AntiChrist has been misidentified as a Communist when that was a viable threat. I'm not saying we need to try to tar him with that brush: as the Red State Guys say, that's way down my list...
The concept of the AntiChrist tends to be misunderstood: 'Anti' is not 'opposite' in this case, but 'false' or 'counterfeit'. I will say the O does seem to have a reality distortion field to rival Steve Jobs.

142 Mosse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:40:13am

re: #3 Talking Stick

Charles, I was just going to thank you for some much-needed satire that was nearly the level of "Your Show of Shows," if anybody remembers that, but Talking Stick's response brought me back out of mirth to our very sober moment. You're entirely right in your assessment, Talking Stick, and it's not impossible that the early, heavy media coverage of this election was due, not simply to the early primaries and caucuses, but to the MSM's intent to promote Obama and make people familiar with him. In her most recent article, which Charles posted, Melanie Phillips' wrote that the extreme radical Left and the moderates and the Right are in conflict on the steps of the White House, this year, as never before. She's right, and, though I lived through and participated in the '60s upheaval, I have never seen a more stark or more dangerous political moment. The fact that Obama and his backers are still completely UNidentified, in terms of their real goals and beliefs, by the media confirms your assertion, Talking Stick, about their deliberate collusion. Hillary Clinton's own embrace of Alinsky's analysis and approaches, which Phillips also discusses, is yet another concern. The Democratic Party -- whether the "centrist" PPI of the Clintons or the "belly of the beast is Amerika" radical leftists -- no longer bears any resemblance to any form of an American populist party. After this election, when we defeat Obama, there is MUCH work to do, exposing these radicals AND the money behind them, and looking into some form of liberty/libertarian party we can start that is NOT in any way related to Ron Paul or Welch the racist, but a party that reflects loyal citizens in this democracy.

Who knew this election would be the one in which the most radical group in this country gained the power to field a candidate for president and ALmost won! Some stealth. Very, very efficient.

143 gunjam  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:02:46am

re: #94 RossM3838

According to The Book of Revelation:
The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s , of MUSLIM descent,

Sorry, but nowhere in the Bible does it even HINT that the antichrist (also referred to as "the beast," "the little horn," "the man of sin," etc) will be of Muslim descent.

I am no fan of Islam, but let the Bible speak for itself, please.

I will not say that the anti-Christ cannot be of Muslim descent, but I highly doubt it, and nowhere in the Bible are we told this.

144 gunjam  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:04:28am

Charles: Hat's off: This is -- in my view -- the funniest -- and, perhaps, best -- post I have ever encountered on lgf. (And I have read a few.)

145 clayusmcret  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:23:09am

Doesn't really matter what we think or what he professes to believe. That he was a practicing muslim in his youth means they believe he can never leave the faith. It's kinda like trying to leave the mob.


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