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Bill Ayers: Violent Resistance Not Necessarily the Answer

Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:57:37 am PDT

Former Weather Underground terrorist and long-time Barack Obama associate William Ayers has posted a cartoon at his blog, trying to explain away his statement that he feels he “didn’t do enough” during his tenure as a violent radical.

Here it is; pay particular attention to the last sentence: “I don’t think violent resistance is necessarily the answer...”

Maybe Ayers would also like to explain this statement that he made during the “Days of Rage” riots:

“We’re not urging anyone to shoot from a crowd. But we’re also going to make it clear that when a pig gets iced, that’s a good thing, and that everyone who considers himself a revolutionary should be armed, should own a gun, should have a gun in his home.”

Source: Rolling Stone, September 30, 1982

UPDATE at 9/9/08 9:18:46 am:

Also see: The Weathermen tried to kill my family.

In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we’d call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night.

I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother’s pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn’t leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.

For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didn’t have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire truck’s siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didn’t fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed.

(Hat tip: jill e.)

UPDATE at 9/9/08 9:40:11 am:

Zombie points out another fact that’s rather inconvenient for Ayers’ claim that his bombings were intended to “resist” the war in Vietnam: the majority of their attacks occurred after the US had already pulled out of Vietnam.

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1 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 8:59:24am

Of course he says violence isn't necessarily the answer.
Getting a Marxist elected without violence is even better, because it doesn't get people upset at you.
Hence, 0bama.

2 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:00:17am

Gee I bet Obama is happy he has a blog?

3 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:00:26am

This tells me all I need to know about Willy Ayers.

[Link: www.thewashingtonnote.com...]

4 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:00:42am

An attempt to reform his image for BHO's sake? Not working.

5 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:00:43am

Bombings = "A dramatic form of armed propaganda"

Okey doke.

6 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:00:51am

Bill Ayers:

Terrorist, Marxist, and star bellied Sneech.

7 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:00:54am
8 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:01:03am

Nice effen try.

Of course the MSM will call this "Ayers 're-inventing' himself" and give it a pass.

9 iceman1960  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:01:16am

Hey I guess he's an OK guy after all.

/sarc

10 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:01:21am

Desperation as they see their Potemkin candidate fading. They lack the courage to go down fighting and try to dissemble one more time.

11 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:02:06am
everyone who considers himself a revolutionary should be armed, should own a gun, should have a gun in his home

Hey, Billy, I don't consider myself a "revolutionary", and yet I am in compliance with your conditions. Why not drop by to try to "ice" me, and I'll give you a demonstration.

Scumbag. You're not fooling anyone.

12 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:02:08am
We’re not urging anyone to shoot from a crowd. But we’re also going to make it clear that when a pig gets iced, that’s a good thing, and that everyone who considers himself a revolutionary should be armed, should own a gun, should have a gun in his home.

I doubt he'll be saying that if BHO is elected and the shit hits the fan.

13 dhg4  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:02:39am

Hmm. If Bill Ayers is Sen. Obama's mentor and he things that every revolutionary ought to have a gun, wouldn't that make Sen. Obama a 2nd amendment kind of guy?

14 Clioman  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:02:47am

I notice that the cartoon is in black and white. Just wondering: if it were in color, would he be wearing a red t-shirt with a yellow star on the chest?

15 livefreeor die  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:03:25am

He must not want bus tracks on his rear end.

16 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:03:30am
should be armed, should own a gun, should have a gun in his home

Roger that.

17 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:03:36am

Note the earnest head tilt of AyersMan! in panel #3. Obama's got that one down, too.


How pathetically funny is it that he tries to peddle this tripe via cartoon?

18 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:03:36am

Very convenient.

19 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:04:18am
20 livefreeor die  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:04:47am

"I'm doing this with a cartoon because then I don't have to worry about my facial expressions giving me away while I read my cue cards."

21 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:04:52am

When he refers to the millions of people, innocents being killed-I guess he is talking about the VICTIMS of communism, right?

What a dick.

22 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:04:54am

Is that a paint-by-numbers cartoon? I assume the star should be red, and the skin yellow.

23 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:05:17am

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

During the Weatherman "Days of Rage" in Chicago, one of their number jumped an assistant prosecutor, breaking his back. The man spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair.

Ayers claiming that the Weathermen always attempted to avoid hurting people is lying in his teeth.

That was just a dramatic form of armed propaganda! Get over it, Herbert.

24 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:05:19am

So he doesn't believe in gun control?

25 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:05:23am

The dog wants to go out in a thunderstorm, great timing.

26 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:05:23am

He's just an English Professor.

27 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:05:29am

re: #17 Occasional Reader

Does it say who the cartoonist is? Maybe it's that guy who slandered the American troops.

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:05:34am

Poop.

29 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:05:48am

re: #24 Ward Cleaver

So he doesn't believe in gun control?


For you, yes.

30 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:06:08am

re: #25 lifeofthemind

The dog wants to go out in a thunderstorm, great timing.

My dog would be hiding under the bed.

31 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:06:10am
...everyone who considers himself a revolutionary should be armed, should own a gun, should have a gun in his home.”

Here you see why it is important for the people generally to be armed. Because most people are not crazy revolutionaries.

32 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:06:20am
33 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:06:27am

re: #27 WriterMom

Does it say who the cartoonist is? Maybe it's that guy who slandered the American troops.

"That" guy? Which one?!

34 varmint  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:06:35am

i like the star bellied sneech t-shirt.

cartoons are now a legitimate way of getting a point across. and i think they're much more transparent than text. much harder to bullshit. which is why ths thing fails.

35 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:06:46am

re: #27 WriterMom

Does it say who the cartoonist is? Maybe it's that guy who slandered the American troops.

It looks to good to be Ted Rall's work.

36 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:07:04am

The company you keep. This is yet another reason why I continue to believe that Obama is unfit for the Presidency. He has no problem rubbing shoulders with avowed terrorists who are unrepentant over killing fellow Americans.

But for a technicality, Ayers and his thug friends would have gone to prison.

37 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:07:12am

re: #35 Ward Cleaver

It looks to good to be Ted Rall's work.

too good

PIMF

38 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:07:16am

re: #32 buzzsawmonkey

Ayers seems to forget the millions killed by leftist Pol Pot in Cambodia

That was just a dramatic form of armed propaganda, too.

Sheesh, always with the negative, aren't you?

39 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:07:21am

re: #33 Occasional Reader

Ack. So true...but you know the one I mean...I can't remember his name. Ted? Tim something.

40 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:07:55am

re: #35 Ward Cleaver

Ya-that's it.

41 yma o hyd  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:07:57am

re: #30 Ward Cleaver

My dog would be hiding under the bed.


So would mine ...

42 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:04am

This happened in the year 8, BO.

It's irrelevant.

43 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:17am

Who wrote that stuff? One of his lawyers?

44 maddogg  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:22am

Defuckingleated

45 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:29am

re: #32 buzzsawmonkey

Facts, shmacts.

46 Muadib  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:30am

re: #14 Clioman

Yes.

47 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:33am

Reading your comment from the Rolling Stone excerpt, you've fired me up, but I'm certain not in the way you intended.

I have a helluva lot more respect for the police than I do for you. Saying that "when a pig gets iced" is a good thing is one of the sickest and most depraved things you can say. It's their job to protect and serve, a very difficult job for horrible pay, but they do it to make the rest of our lives safer.

You, sir, are nothing but a contentious, murderous coward who doesn't deserve to breathe my air. I would not urinate down your throat if your heart was on fire.

48 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:08:47am
49 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:09:00am

re: #42 Ben Hur

This happened in the year 8, BO.

It's irrelevant.


That's scary good...

50 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:09:21am
51 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:09:26am
when a pig gets iced, that’s a good thing

That needs to be attached to every mention of his name on the intertubes.

52 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:09:37am

re: #39 WriterMom

Ack. So true...but you know the one I mean...I can't remember his name. Ted? Tim something.

Rall. See other posts above. Believe it or not, this cartoon is way too technically proficient to be Rall's work. As James Lileks once memorably noted, Rall's stuff looks like "he draws with his elbows".

53 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:09:48am

In 1982, he was still talking about "icing pigs?" Unrepentant doesn't begin to cover it.

re: #39 WriterMom

Are you thinking of Ted Rall? He is beneath contempt but I don't know if he did this one.

54 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:09:55am

As the sister of a POLICE OFFICER. . .I am disgusted. . .especially in light of the fact that Obama is spending MILLIONS for his protection. . .from. . .who. . .again. . .? NOI?

55 DistantThunder  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:10:02am

Most cockroaches would have the innate good sense to scatter when the light is turned on - but on ocassion, the rare cockroach, says to itself, why should I have to run, why not defy this light - look right into it and ......


THWACK!

....and then it does it's St Vita's Dance of death.....

William, your judgement has never served you well, but you have been sequestered for many years inside the walls of academia, and now.....well, Look. At. You.

The homicidal monster speaks. In complete sentences, but incomplete justifications. Welcome to our labortatory, William. We will now dissect you. You come form the Osama and Mengele school of political discourse, don't you?

Come on in, we don't bite.......

56 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:10:20am

Mandy, you were wondering in the overnight DT who would come and wail and mourn the death of L'il Kim (if and when that gets announced) or Kim Il Sung in such overwrought manner.

I think you have your answer. Ayers would be at the front of that line.

57 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:10:30am

A Cartoon? What is his target audience? Pasty conspiracy theorists that live in their parents basement?

58 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:10:31am
59 baxtrice  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:11:05am

Bill, if you're trying to cover up for Obama, it's not going to work. Your past misdeeds don't go away in a cloud of happy boomer memory dust. You made your choices, stop trying to explain it away to save Obama's candidacy. You're not fooling anyone here. If Obama is elected, you want a cabinet position, and you're willing to play "regrets" to get that.

60 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:11:12am

re: #58 buzzsawmonkey

It's probably one of the cartoonists who works on Harvey Pekar's "American Splendor." The style is familiar, but the name is escaping me.

Ya mean R.Crumb?

61 yma o hyd  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:11:18am

re: #36 lawhawk

The company you keep. This is yet another reason why I continue to believe that Obama is unfit for the Presidency. He has no problem rubbing shoulders with avowed terrorists who are unrepentant over killing fellow Americans.

But for a technicality, Ayers and his thug friends would have gone to prison.

And there's something which gets easily overlooked, which is the role played by Bernadette Dohrn in hooking B0.
I'd guess it was her (via the internship) who got B0 in with Ayers.
I'd also guess that it was her who 'vetted' B0 for just that connection - thats how commies work ...

62 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:11:23am

Plainly put, William Ayres isn't worthy enough to be the gum stuck to the bottom of my shoe. He should be behind bars, rotting away to the end of his days.

63 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:11:23am
65 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:11:45am

Juan Cole: Sarah Palin = Muslim Fundamentalist.

That must mean he likes her.

66 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:12:13am
67 Natasha  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:12:16am

Sure, little "revolutionaries" can keep guns... Too darned bad the eeeeeviiiillll™ conservatives are better shots than they are.
Willy Ayers, there is a reason why I swore to protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Some deep, dark part of my mind keeps saying: "Just bring it, already".

68 DistantThunder  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:12:35am

New political bumbersticker:

Keep Terrorists and Racists out of the Lincoln Bedroom!

John McCain's POW deserve to be the ones in the Lincoln Bedroom - not this animal.

69 Vergeltung  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:12:39am

re: #32 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, Ayers seems to forget the millions killed by leftist Pol Pot in Cambodia after the US withdrawal that he so desired was achieved.
The deaths of millions rests on his shoulders at least as much as it does on anyone who was ever in the US government.

and the likes of Effin Kerry.

70 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:12:58am

His blog is CRASHOLA right now.

[Link: billayers.wordpress.com...]

71 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:12:59am

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Hey, Billy, I don't consider myself a "revolutionary", and yet I am in compliance with your conditions. Why not drop by to try to "ice" me, and I'll give you a demonstration.

Scumbag. You're not fooling anyone.

I quite like AKs. Those Commie guns are just the thing for armed citizens. ARs are overrated and overpriced.

72 Age Of Freedom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:13:16am

It's been like, what, 8 years of "WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER"?
Too late, hypofreak.

73 bgnad  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:13:32am

We should all have guns in our homes so that we are ready when these guys get too froggy.

-Bubba Man

================================
Maybe Ayers would also like to explain this statement that he made during the “Days of Rage” riots:

“We’re not urging anyone to shoot from a crowd. But we’re also going to make it clear that when a pig gets iced, that’s a good thing, and that everyone who considers himself a revolutionary should be armed, should own a gun, should have a gun in his home.”

Source: Rolling Stone, September 30, 1982

74 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:13:37am
when a pig gets iced, that’s a good thing

Spoken by a man who claims that he was concerned about the regular Vietnamese getting killed when they were just pawns in a larger fight, he gladly advocates the murder of police officers or state troopers, who are there because it is their job, and who were not the ones making decisions for or against action in Vietnam.

Men with families.

Like, for example, my father. Who spend the 60s and early 70s getting spit on while he was calling the hippies "sir" and "ma'am" and carrying them gently to the paddy wagon.

You don't have to scratch a "peace activist" very deep to get to "cold-blooded killer of anyone who stands in their idealistic way."

75 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:13:38am
This section of DiscoverTheNetworks examines Barack Obama's connections to a number of key individuals and organizations. In some cases, these affiliates are notable for the leftist views and objectives they share with Obama. In other cases, they are notable for their collaboration with Obama in controversial or unethical activities. In all cases, they offer a window into Barack Obama's values and priorities. Taken as a whole, they verify Thomas Sowell's observation that Obama has "spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate America."


Radical and Socialist Influences:

Saul Alinsky
Bill Ayers
Carl Davidson
Frank Marshall Davis
Democratic Socialists of America
Bernardine Dohrn
Gamaliel Foundation
New Party
Socialist Scholars Conference


Political Allies and Advisors:

Ali Abunimah
Mohamed Salim Al-Churbaji
David Axelrod
Gregg Craig
Jim Johnson
Marilyn Katz
Anthony Lake
Robert Malley
Alice Palmer
Eli Pariser
George Soros
Cass Sunstein
Dorothy Tillman
Joyce Wheeler
Tim Wheeler

SNIP

76 MichaelAsher  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:14:44am

The Real Chicago Annenberg Challenge --
Penetrating Insights into the Obvious

77 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:14:45am
78 DistantThunder  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:14:47am

re: #62 Honorary Yooper

Plainly put, William Ayres isn't worthy enough to be the gum stuck to the bottom of my shoe. He should be behind bars, rotting away to the end of his days.

Debate Questions for Obama: Do you believe in the death penalty for terrorists - even if the terrorist is your best friend?

79 Sifty  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:14:56am

This douchebag should be in solitary confinement somewhere.

80 DistantThunder  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:15:50am

re: #72 Age Of Freedom

It's been like, what, 8 years of "WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER"?
Too late, hypofreak.

Flooding is not the answer!
Hurricanes are not the answer!

War comes to us.

81 jill e  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:16:00am
82 Truck Monkey  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:16:21am

Put in cartoon form so libtards will understand it.

83 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:16:27am

BHO's stance on the National Anthem.

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

85 yma o hyd  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:16:37am

re: #64 MandyManners

Excellent link, Mandy!
Thanks!

(Needs to go to the McCain Campaign Office!)

86 vagabond trader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:16:51am

Bill's bud Barack is speechifying on FNC right now. Can this guy answer 3 questions (that's what was allocated to the press) without turning it into a droning monologue? Apparently not.

87 Natasha  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:17:01am

re: #71 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

I quite like AKs. Those Commie guns are just the thing for armed citizens. ARs are overrated and overpriced.

AKs are fantastic! I have two, and they are a delight to fire, as well as a breeze to maintain. Here's to you, Mr. Kalashnikov! (The man is still alive and now makes mad royalties off the vodka named after him).

88 DistantThunder  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:17:02am

re: #75 MandyManners

Radical and Socialist Influences:

Saul Alinsky
Bill Ayers
Carl Davidson
Frank Marshall Davis
Democratic Socialists of America
Bernardine Dohrn
Gamaliel Foundation
New Party
Socialist Scholars Conference


Political Allies and Advisors:

Ali Abunimah
Mohamed Salim Al-Churbaji
David Axelrod
Gregg Craig
Jim Johnson
Marilyn Katz
Anthony Lake
Robert Malley
Alice Palmer
Eli Pariser
George Soros
Cass Sunstein
Dorothy Tillman
Joyce Wheeler
Tim Wheeler

SNIP

re: #75 MandyManners

Thanks Mandy

89 leereyno  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:17:14am

re: #13 dhg4

Hmm. If Bill Ayers is Sen. Obama's mentor and he things that every revolutionary ought to have a gun, wouldn't that make Sen. Obama a 2nd amendment kind of guy?

He thinks that "revolutionaries" should have guns. The people they would be shooting at, aka the rest of us, should of course be stripped of their weapons because a revolutionary might get hurt if their victims have the power to fight back.

This guy should be rotting in a cell next to Charlie Manson and the Unabomber.

90 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:17:14am

re: #81 jill e

Definitely THREADABLE. Should be added as an update IMHO.
Thanks for posting that.

91 Padre  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:17:28am

re: #65 karmic_inquisitor

Juan Cole: Sarah Palin = Muslim Fundamentalist.

That must mean he likes her.

Relativism has no better example. Theocrat is a theocrat? Wow.

92 maddogg  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:17:38am

re: #79 Sifty

No, that sonofabitch should be making some maggots very happy somewhere.

93 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:17:58am

"warnings were always called in and, by design, no one was ever hurt."

Tell that to the family of slain San Francisco Police Officer Brian V. McDonnell.

94 DistantThunder  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:18:17am

re: #84 WrathofG-d

ot:

Arab League Threatens Sanctions Against The Phakestinians & Admits That There Is No Palestine.

If the Bush Administration gets a real treaty out of this - the Nobel committee will be closing down for a 10 year remodeling project - no awards.

95 FrogMarch  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:18:24am

The other cool thing about being a radical anarchist is - LYING is an important social skill.

96 yma o hyd  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:18:26am

re: #65 karmic_inquisitor

Juan Cole: Sarah Palin = Muslim Fundamentalist.

That must mean he likes her.

I think he's suffering from severe delusions if he calls Palin a 'theocrat'.

97 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:18:48am

re: #94 DistantThunder

And if Jesus comes back.......

98 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:18:53am

re: #81 jill e

As the association between Obama and Ayers came to light, it would have helped the senator a little if his friend had at least shown some remorse. But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Translation: “We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch.” When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”

Though never a supporter of Obama, I admired him for a time for his ability to engage our imaginations, and especially for his ability to inspire the young once again to embrace the political system. Yet his myopia in the last few months has cast a new light on his “politics of change.” Nobody should hold the junior senator from Illinois responsible for his friends’ and supporters’ violent terrorist acts. But it is fair to hold him responsible for a startling lack of judgment in his choice of mentors, associates, and friends, and for showing a callous disregard for the lives they damaged and the hatred they have demonstrated for this country. It is fair, too, to ask what those choices say about Obama’s own beliefs, his philosophy, and the direction he would take our nation.

At the conclusion of his 2001 Times interview, Ayers said of his upbringing and subsequent radicalization: “I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire.”

Funny thing, Bill: one night, so did I.

Amazing story. Thanks for the link.

99 alegrias  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:19:00am

Yesterday on the DC metro, a publication called "Bit-O-Lit" excerpted Markos Moulitsas "Kos" new book which is radical SAUL ALINSKY updated for today's yoots.

Yuck! People were handing out pro-radical community activist tracts above the Farragut West Metro station in central business district of Wash, DC!

They are flush with cash yet desperate they'll lose, so they spew MORE Saul Alinsky tactics & taqiyya.

100 harrylook  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:20:31am

There's a serious upside to this: it reminds America of the fact that he's Obama's buddy. Keep posting, stinking terrorist!

101 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:20:38am

re: #82 Truck Monkey

Put in cartoon form so libtards will understand it.

And they can color it!

102 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:20:45am

re: #84 WrathofG-d

ot:

Arab League Threatens Sanctions Against The Phakestinians & Admits That There Is No Palestine.


But he added: "The sanctions would not be against anyone in particular. They would be against the party which obstructs reconciliation and maybe against everyone or against the organization which obstructs Egyptian efforts."

What are they going to do? Hold back the money they pledged?

HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHH!

103 Deseeded  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:21:02am

Second Panel: Government "Instillations"

Was it a purposeful use of instill instead of install?

Instillation: To introduce by gradual, persistent efforts; implant

Bombing centers of Gov't mind-control maybe? Fighting against "the man", man?

/moonbat

104 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:21:13am

re: #96 yma o hyd

I think he's suffering from severe delusions if he calls Palin a 'theocrat'.

It's pretty cear that the Lefties are going to hit Sarah Palin by stressing the experience issue as well as the 'right wing extremist' issue...


Judging from the folks I work with here in NY, they see both as very legitimate claims...

105 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:22:05am

His boss there was Gerald Kellman, whose identity Obama also tries to hide in his book. Turns out Kellman's a disciple of the late Saul "The Red" Alinsky, a hard-boiled Chicago socialist who wrote the "Rules for Radicals" and agitated for social revolution in America.

The Chicago-based Woods Fund provided Kellman with his original $25,000 to hire Obama. In turn, Obama would later serve on the Woods board with terrorist Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground. Ayers was one of Obama's early political supporters.

After three years agitating with marginal success for more welfare programs in South Side Chicago, Obama decided he would need to study law to "bring about real change" — on a large scale.

While at Harvard Law School, he still found time to hone his organizing skills. For example, he spent eight days in Los Angeles taking a national training course taught by Alinsky's Industrial Areas Foundation. With his newly minted law degree, he returned to Chicago to reapply — as well as teach — Alinsky's "agitation" tactics.

SNIP

106 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:22:05am
Warnings were called in and by design no one was ever hurt.

Hmmm, I wonder why those last "symbolic" bombs had nails in them?

The following year he "went underground" with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers girlfriend, Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb that was under construction exploded.

What does Ayers say to this? He admits the nails were there to tear through human flesh.

That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plan been successfully executed. Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, "tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too."

So much for dramatic propaganda. They were coldly and callously going to murder humans, their fellow citizens, because they couldn't force their views on the world in any other way, in their opinion.

And deaths were acceptable if they got their way. Hmmm, yet they call the war illegal and immoral.

107 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:22:43am

re: #1 Kosh's Shadow

Of course he says violence isn't necessarily the answer.
Getting a Marxist elected without violence is even better, because it doesn't get people upset at you.
Hence, 0bama.

And you only have to win once.

108 vagabond trader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:22:52am

Saul Alinsky tactic: NEVER compliment your enemy on any sucess.Hence the Obama's inability to credit the surge, led by Pres. Bush. A real loyal soldier this Obama. To the cause of Marxism.

109 Reluctant Democrat  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:23:25am

Why do leftists always use those dopey cartoons? Robert Crumb he is not.

Why doesn't he just grow up and write an article?

OH, yeah.

110 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:23:35am

re: #105 MandyManners

I guess running for the presidency is Obama's idea of bringing about "real change on a very large scale" then.

Very scary indeed.

111 Vergeltung  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:23:51am

re: #87 Natasha

AKs are fantastic! I have two, and they are a delight to fire, as well as a breeze to maintain. Here's to you, Mr. Kalashnikov! (The man is still alive and now makes mad royalties off the vodka named after him).

gee I wonder where he got the "inspiration" for the design from?

112 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:24:08am

re: #93 Pvt Bin Jammin

"warnings were always called in and, by design, no one was ever hurt."

Tell that to the family of slain San Francisco Police Officer Brian V. McDonnell.

The bomb used to kill him was also clearly designed to kill people and placed in a location clearly designed to kill people.

a pipe bomb filled with heavy metal staples and lead bullet projectiles was set off on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department
113 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:24:31am

re: #105 MandyManners

I have yet to see or hear an interview with Baruch in which the interviewer even remotely references his TWO books.

No "in your book you wrote, this this and this, can you explain?"

114 vagabond trader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:25:27am

re: #75 MandyManners

Emil Jones belongs on that list. The Obama's Godfather in the state senate. Big time.He has conveniently retired last month. Sound like another mentor?

115 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:25:30am

re: #13 dhg4

Hmm. If Bill Ayers is Sen. Obama's mentor and he things that every revolutionary ought to have a gun, wouldn't that make Sen. Obama a 2nd amendment kind of guy?

Not really. The Second Amendment is an obstacle to tyrant want-to-be types like Ayers and Obama.

If history has taught us anything it is that the path to peace and freedom invariably takes us over the dead bodies of terrorists, tyrants, and their pet quislings.

116 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:26:07am

re: #106 Silhouette

Yeah, he never meant to hurt anyone - except those who he hoped to bomb and kill.

His girlfriend and two other terrorists died when their Greenwich village flat blew up while prepping a bomb that was meant for an attack on Fort Dix.

Those bombs were meant to kill. Everything Ayers says is spin. His actions speak far louder.

117 zombie  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:26:16am

Ayers claims the Weather Underground bombers were a way of resisting the war in Vietnam.

Ayers is SO FULL OF SHIT.

The vast majority of the Weathermen bombings occurred AFTER THE U.S. HAD ALREADY PULLED OUT OF VIETNAM.

Here is a timeline of some of their violent actions (via Wikipedia, but it's accurate):

May 18, 1973 - The bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York. WUO states this is in response to the killing of 10-year-old black youth Clifford Glover by police.
September 28, 1973 - The ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy are bombed. WUO states this is in response to ITT's alleged role in the Chilean coup earlier that month. [NYT, 9/28/73]
March 6, 1974 - Bombing of the Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco. WUO states this is to protest alleged sterilization of poor women. In the accompanying communiqué, the Women’s Brigade argues for "the need for women to take control of daycare, healthcare, birth control and other aspects of women's daily lives."
May 31, 1974 - The Office of the California Attorney General is bombed. WUO states this is in response to the killing of six members of the Symbionese Liberation Army.
June 17, 1974 - Gulf Oil's Pittsburgh headquarters is bombed. WUO states this is to protest the company's actions in Angola, Vietnam, and elsewhere.
July, 1974 – The WUO releases the book Prairie Fire, in which they indicate the need for a unified Communist Party. They encourage the creation of study groups to discuss their ideology, and continue to stress the need for violent acts. The book also admits WUO responsibility of several actions from previous years. The Prairie Fire Organizing Committee (PFOC) arises from the teachings in this book and is organized by many former WUO members.
September 11, 1974 – Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation). WUO states this is in retribution for Anaconda’s alleged involvement in the Chilean coup the previous year.
January 29, 1975 - Bombing of the State Department; WUO states this is in response to escalation in Vietnam. (AP. "State Department Rattled by Blast," The Daily Times-News, January 29, 1975, p.1)
June 16, 1975 - Weathermen bomb a Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York, WUO states this is in solidarity with striking Puerto Rican cement workers.

EVERY SINGLE ONE of these bombing happened AFTER there were no longer any US fighting troops in Vietnam. And most of them were by the Weather Underground's own communiques unrelated to Vietnam. They were just trying to start a communist revolution, period.

118 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:26:47am

Psycho hammers subway passenger

If you go to Debbie Schlusels (?) site, you can learn what he was yelling during the attack.

Psycho?

I'd call that editorializing.

119 jcm  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:27:04am

re: #106 Silhouette

'you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs'.
Quote attributed to Stalin, reported by Walter Duranty, in Pullet Surprise winning article on the Ukrainian "Famines" in 1932.

Some things never change.

120 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:27:13am
121 maddogg  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:27:21am

re: #111 Vergeltung

gee I wonder where he got the "inspiration" for the design from?

From the German assault rifle fielded in small numbers at the end of WWII.

122 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:27:28am

re: #102 Ben Hur

Yea...now the Phakestinians REALLY aren't going to get the money they have never gotten from their Arab bretheren.

I thought these quotes were the most interesting though:

Hamas and Fatah disagree on their approach to talks with Israel and over how to resolve the dispute which led to Hamas control of Gaza.

Moussa gave no details of the sanctions the Arab states envisaged against the Palestinian groups. "They (the sanctions) are now all in the framework of closed consultations within the Arab system," he added, referring to the Arab League.

The 1st because of the incredeble whitewash & understatement by the writer. Oh, is thaaat what they are arguing about? How to talk to Israel? Moron!

The 2nd because the Arabs admit that they do not do things within the framework of the world community. They have their own league (Caliph?) where they decide what to do about their Muslim/Arab brothers. I also find it interesting that the writer states that the speaker was "referring to the Arab League". How in the world does he know that exactly...maybe the speaker meant exactly what he said: "the Arab system".

123 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:27:32am

re: #26 Ben Hur

He's just an English Professor.

English was my worst subject in high school.

124 wadikitty  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:28:49am

Do I detect a "head tilt of compassion" in the third panel? More likely he's just letting the last of his brains slide out his right ear.

125 Sifty  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:29:05am

re: #92 maddogg

Trying to restrain my tendencies. I got my four month old son in my arms.

126 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:29:21am

re: #114 vagabond trader

Emil Jones belongs on that list. The Obama's Godfather in the state senate. Big time.He has conveniently retired last month. Sound like another mentor?

Indeed Emil "Evil" Jones (D-ComEd) is a mentor or Barack Obama. In fact, he is Obama's political mentor in the Illinois Senate. What's even more interesting is that while Bill Ayres is the son of a Commonwealth Edison CEO, Emil Jones is in the back pocket of ComEd. He does their bidding on the Senate floor. ComEd wants a rate increase? Jones makes it happen.

127 Golem Akbar  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:29:59am

Been busy and can't read this all the way through, but as an ex-SDSer, I want all Obama supporters to know who this guy is. BHO was way too close to Ayers, and THAT fact needs to be known by the public. BHO can throw Ayers under the bus all he wants. It's too late. His formative political years were in association with Ayers. Obama either disavows the entire American left, or he is complicit.

128 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:30:00am

re: #87 Natasha

AKs are fantastic!

Do you use them to hunt moose and sqvirrel, Natasha?

129 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:30:08am

re: #112 Silhouette

Since it was apparently okay to "ice the pigs", I suppose they didn't think they needed to warn them.

Spit

130 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:30:59am

Saw the cover of Newsweek yesterday.

They should only turn their microscope on the One running for PResident.

They even refer to her as the Apostle of Alaska.

And yes, they recognize the irony.

131 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:31:00am

re: #117 zombie

Very interesting post but its too complex for the simple issue it addresses.

Assuming that the bombings were done against the U.S. being in Vietnam (as he says), then the Weathermen were nothing but traitors fighting for the Communists.

Blowing up your own countrymen in futherance of the goals of the Enemy during a time a war, makes you a Traitor....not a "protestor".

132 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:31:27am

re: #65 karmic_inquisitor

Juan Cole: Sarah Palin = Muslim Fundamentalist.

That must mean he likes her.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

133 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:31:29am

Rush is carrying on this morning about how Obama is just not ready for prime time. How ya doing, El Rushbo?

135 Vergeltung  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:32:25am

re: #121 maddogg

From the German assault rifle fielded in small numbers at the end of WWII.

Bingo! give the man a prize! :)

136 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:32:39am

re: #132 The Other Les

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

All who believe in God are religious zealots, so your Christmas tree means you're the same as a jihadi suicide bomber.
/really quite simple

137 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:33:41am

I just saw video on FOX of the whacked out tree sitters in UC Berkely. Apparently the University is now going to actively remove them and there is some mild rioting going on. Is like when a real spoiled kid gives his/her parents trouble in public because they are such spoiled brats and never got any discipline? Pay back is a bitch ain't it UC Berkely? Big smile on my face here.

138 jill e  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:34:16am

Simply home-grown version of what we're fighting in Afghanistan & Iraq...

139 Stonemason  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:34:23am

re: #87 Natasha

AKs are fantastic! I have two, and they are a delight to fire, as well as a breeze to maintain. Here's to you, Mr. Kalashnikov! (The man is still alive and now makes mad royalties off the vodka named after him).

Which is a good thing because according to an NPR interview with an author the other day it was explained that Kalashnikov made no money on the weapon as he made it for the 'state'.

140 Natasha  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:34:32am

re: #128 Occasional Reader

Do you use them to hunt moose and sqvirrel, Natasha?

Make big trouble for Moose and Squirrel, indeed... LMAO

141 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:34:35am
142 Da Coyote  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:34:41am

The fact that Ayers is a "Distinguished Professor of Education" and (obviously) tenured, speaks volumes about the depths to which both his university and the field of "education" have sunk. I do not consider that field to be scholarly in any sense.

When they've got to sink to Ayers for a professorship, they tacitly admit the dearth of actual creativity and scholarship contained within.

(Apologies to all the excellent teachers out there... who have transcended the limitations of their "education" degrees and have - through their own intelligence - managed to actually transfer information to our young.)

143 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:34:59am

Obama says

The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.”

No, the notion that you are somehow responsible for bombings when you were 8 doesn't make sense, but then again, no one is making that accusation.

You are the only one implying it because it is an accusation you can actually defend against.

What you are responsible for is who you freely choose to associate with.

And you chose to continually fellowship, defend, and support a man who killed Americans and tried to kill more, who stomps on our flag, and who gladly advocated the murder of policemen. More importantly, a man who loudly and clearly states that he does not regret those actions and still holds those beliefs.

And you have coffee in his living room.

144 maddogg  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:35:03am

re: #135 Vergeltung

Bingo! give the man a prize! :)

I will take one hug from our future Vice President (I like simple pleasures:) )

145 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:35:15am
146 zombie  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:35:39am

And even if you did grant the "Vietnam" excuse to Bill Ayers...

The Vietnam War had been going on for years prior to US involvement, and it continued after the US pulled out. We did not cause the war -- we just supported one side, just as the Soviet Union supported the other side.

It's patently obvious that the Weather Underground didn't simply "want the war to end," they wanted the Communists to win. And their way to get the communists to win is to try to force the US withdrawal of all support BY VIOLENCE.

(This holds true for most of the so-called "anti-war organizations" of that era. They weren't about peace -- they were about helping the other side.)

And once the communists won, it was just as Kennedy had originally feared -- the domino effect took over, Cambodia fell to the communists too, and the end result was one of the worst genocides of the 20th century.

Oh, Bill, you so cared about people getting killed.

Right.

Don't make me laugh.

147 mattm  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:35:59am

This man should be in prison, never to be released. It is disgusting that so many people will vote for man whose friend is a terrorist.

148 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:36:15am

re: #134 MandyManners

Stern is one of many radical union organizers who came out of the Midwest Academy, which was formed by onetime Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) members Paul and Heather Booth to train community organizers and infiltrate the labor movement. Paul Booth, who was a secretary-treasure of SDS, is now the assistant to Gerald McEntee, a member of Al Gore's cabinet in the 2000 campaign and the president of the other powerful government union, AFCSME. Heather Booth is the guiding force of the radical organization ACORN and was a legislative aide to Democratic Senator Howard Metzenbaum before he retired. So successful has the Booths' Academy been, that its work is now carried out by Union Summer, a program entirely financed by the AFL-CIO to train radical college students to become union organizers. Union Summer is run by the son of Democratic Congressman Sandy Levin, nephew of Democratic Senator Carl Levin, so incestuous is the Union-Democratic nexus.


Sorry. Misplaced tags were driving me berserk. Don't know where it was supposed to end, but this is more readable to me.

149 J.D.  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:36:28am

Grow Up - The vision of the Left. By Thomas Sowell

...Should we be surprised that the strongest supporters of the political Left are found among the young, academics, limousine liberals with trust funds, media celebrities, and federal judges?

These are hardly Karl Marx’s proletarians, who were supposed to bring on the revolution. The working class are in fact today among those most skeptical about the visions of the Left.

Ordinary working-class people did not lead the stampede to Barack Obama, even before his disdain for them slipped out in unguarded moments.

The agenda of the Left is fine for the world that they envision as existing today and the world they want to create tomorrow.

That is a world not hemmed in on all sides by inherent constraints and the painful trade-offs that these constraints imply. Theirs is a world where there are attractive, win-win “solutions” in place of those ugly trade-offs in the world that the rest of us live in.

Theirs is a world where we can just talk to opposing nations and work things out, instead of having to pour tons of money into military equipment to keep them at bay. The Left calls this “change” but in fact it is a set of notions that were tried out by the Western democracies in the 1930s — and which led to the most catastrophic war in history.
...

150 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:36:48am

re: #147 mattm

This man should be in prison, never to be released. It is disgusting that so many people will vote for man whose friend is a terrorist.

And what is so new? Clinton was real palsy with Yasser. had him over all the time.

151 wiffersnapper  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:37:00am

Comics are supposed to be funny, Bill! Then again the only comic you ever read is probably Doonesbury.

152 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:37:19am

re: #121 maddogg

From the German assault rifle fielded in small numbers at the end of WWII.

Not necessarily. Though I am sure it contributed greatly, Mr K had very innovative ideas of his own. Germans, in general, overengineer things (i.e. the MP43/44). The AK is quite the opposite.

153 zombie  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:37:22am

re: #131 WrathofG-d

Very interesting post but its too complex for the simple issue it addresses.

Assuming that the bombings were done against the U.S. being in Vietnam (as he says), then the Weathermen were nothing but traitors fighting for the Communists.

Blowing up your own countrymen in futherance of the goals of the Enemy during a time a war, makes you a Traitor....not a "protestor".

Yes, that is true -- see my comment #146.

154 Natasha  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:37:30am

re: #139 Stonemason

Which is a good thing because according to an NPR interview with an author the other day it was explained that Kalashnikov made no money on the weapon as he made it for the 'state'.

Yes, the man got no money for designing this reliable, simple weapon. Commies ripped him off, in that respect. However, he is doing pretty well for himself now.

155 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #71 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

I quite like AKs. Those Commie guns are just the thing for armed citizens. ARs are overrated and overpriced.

As long as your target is inside of a hundred yards.

I've only had one stoppage with an AK. I was firing from the prone position on the 25 yard section at the (now closed) Moon Valley Range in Chanhassen when a pellet of birdshot got caught between the extractor claw and the bolt.

156 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:37:37am

re: #137 Nevergiveup

There is a wiggity wiggity WHACKED out video going around of the Tree Mourners.

[Link: mynorthwest.com...]

157 vagabond trader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:37:55am

A very sad testimony that there is not a single member of the msm who has enough journalistic integrity to investigate these vile connections. The entire lot of them should be required to register as Democrat lobbyists.

158 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:38:06am

When Obama's association with William Ayers was raised at a Democratic debate this year, Obama replied: "This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood. . . . He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis."

Tuesday's release of papers from a Chicago school reform project known as the Annenberg Challenge shows once again Barack Obama has a problem with the truth.

The long-sought records that were kept under wraps at the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois, Chicago (UIC), show that Obama and Ayers attended board meetings, retreats and at least one news conference as the education project got under way. The records also show the two continued to attend meetings together during the 1995-2001 operation of the program.

Clearly the relationship between Ayers and Obama is much deeper and longer than Obama admits. They in fact were partners in various entities and regularly exchanged ideas, including on how to turn Chicago schools into re-education camps to create a generation of social revolutionaries.

SNIP

160 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:38:39am

re: #149 J.D.

I recently learned that Castro comes from a wealthy family.

161 SouthAmericanWay  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:38:44am

Very good of LGF to raise this again. Let us talk, and talk, and talk about Mr Obama's terrorist friend, mentor, and supporter. Who knows: maybe the media will start paying attention to this instead of the latest rumor that Gov Palin once popped a balloon in a birthday party and made a nearby baby cry...

Obama is a great danger, he remains an unknown, all his close Chicago acquaintances are people imbibed with Radical Marxism.

Kerry and Gore (and even Carter) were silly; Obama is exceedingly dangerous.

162 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:39:21am

re: #146 zombie

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Anti war groups today are no different than those a generation ago. They aren't anti-war so much as anti-US.

Note their unending silence over the war launched by Russia against Georgia - over oil no less. It's the possibility that the US might win that worries these groups.

163 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:39:40am

re: #128 Occasional Reader

Do you use them to hunt moose and sqvirrel, Natasha?


I wasnt gonna go there. Damned funny though

164 sidtara  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:39:55am

Why is there a stack of diapers on the shelf behind him next to the coffee cups?

165 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:40:09am

re: #156 Ben Hur

There is a wiggity wiggity WHACKED out video going around of the Tree Mourners.

[Link: mynorthwest.com...]

After watching that, I thank G-D my kids are normal. Well as normal as kids of mine could be?

166 J.D.  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:40:41am

re: #160 Ben Hur

I recently learned that Castro comes from a wealthy family.

Heh.

167 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:41:04am

re: #117 zombie

WUO states this is in solidarity with striking Puerto Rican cement workers

I've seen Puerto Rican cement workers. They're usually pretty ordinary-looking.

168 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:41:08am

re: #74 Silhouette

You don't have to scratch a "peace activist" very deep to get to "cold-blooded killer of anyone who stands in their idealistic way."


I prefer the term BARBARIAN.

169 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:42:51am

That Bill Ayers is one charmin mothafucka, 100 times more charmin than that Arnold Ziffel...

170 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:43:12am
171 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:43:14am

re: #166 J.D.

Dude, you have to be wealthy to be a communist leader. Only someone spoiled by someone elses hard work would think Communism could work.

Communism in theory is great...in practice becomes nothing more than Feudalism.

172 jcm  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:44:39am

re: #171 WrathofG-d

Dude, you have to be wealthy to be a communist leader. Only someone spoiled by someone elses hard work would think Communism could work.

Communism in theory is great...in practice becomes nothing more than Feudalism.

...in practice becomes nothing more than Feudalism slavery.

Better.....
;-)

173 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:46:20am

re: #86 vagabond trader

Bill's bud Barack is speechifying on FNC right now. Can this guy answer 3 questions (that's what was allocated to the press) without turning it into a droning monologue? Apparently not.

Speaking for as long as possible is the standard operating procedure for a Leftist.

When the late James Burnham of National Review was still a Trotskyist he attended and spoke at a weekend meeting and had his commitment to the cause questioned because he only spoke for FOUR HOURS over the whole weekend altogether.

174 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:47:14am
175 yma o hyd  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:47:37am

re: #134 MandyManners

The MSM won't use ny of the stuff you'e been linking, Mandy, thats for sure.

It really might be worthwhile to send this all to someone in the McCain Campaign Office - they won't have the time to do a search like you have done so brilliantly - but they do need the material!

176 Natasha  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:47:44am

re: #171 WrathofG-d

Dude, you have to be wealthy to be a communist leader. Only someone spoiled by someone elses hard work would think Communism could work.

Communism in theory is great...in practice becomes nothing more than Feudalism.

Even in theory Communism is dreadful. It basically says that no matter how much effort one puts in, the result is still the same. Communism is parasitism. It panders to envy, sloth and, paradoxically, to the basest selfishness of a being who is willing to surrender his humanity and become a tapeworm.

177 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:47:57am

re: #152 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

Not necessarily. Though I am sure it contributed greatly, Mr K had very innovative ideas of his own. Germans, in general, overengineer things (i.e. the MP43/44). The AK is quite the opposite.

IIRC the design was based fairly heavily on the MP43/44, but was made more "elegant" (simpler) and in that since was a definite improvement.

Can't fault the design, it's a great rifle (other than in long-range accuracy), and a game-changer in 1947.

178 ronaldusmagnus  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:48:28am

The logo on his blog...is that a Red star sticker? Seems like something usually associated with Marxists or commies. Is it just a generic star - or does it have a particular association or meaning?

179 vagabond trader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:48:35am

re: #173 The Other Les

lol, Fidel is also a classic example of the never ending diatribe.

180 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:48:53am

re: #84 WrathofG-d

ot:

Arab League Threatens Sanctions Against The Phakestinians & Admits That There Is No Palestine.

Not quite. They still want a "Palestine", but one with "full rights" which probably means a military. Re-read the very last line.

181 alegrias  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:49:04am

re: #150 Nevergiveup

And what is so new? Clinton was real palsy with Yasser. had him over all the time.

* * *
Arafat had eight years of stayovers in Abraham Lincoln's White House bedroom, 1993-2000. How's that for a stain on our country that greatly encouraged the laughing caliphate.

182 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:49:10am

re: #89 leereyno

This guy should be rotting in a cell next to Charlie Manson and the Unabomber.


Actually, um, I think Charlie Manson and the Unabomber should have been hanged.

Darn liberals...

183 E tan e epi tan  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:49:36am

A comic book cartoon of a 60 year old man dressed like an 18 year old college student has convinced me he's sincere and telling the truth.

/need I?

184 famousmortimer78  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:49:48am

You would think they'd spell check their cartoons before releasing them- it's spelled

installations

, professor.

185 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:50:00am

re: #176 Natasha

I don't necessarily agree. I have always seen Communism's fatal flaw as being the lack of G-d.

If all service was for G-d & by extention His creatures, we would give equally to all gratiously.

186 Viking6  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:50:58am

I am unrepenent in my attitude that this individual should have received the same treatment that he espoused against myself and my brother officers during the 1970's.

I can clearly remember that at every roll call all of the latest news concerning how were we were to check our vehicles for bombs and what situtations could result in an ambush of ourselves and others.

It was not just this guy but every other scumbag that followed the Marxist methods of the times to overthrow the government. While most citizens were shielded from these radical and extreme dangers we gladly served our communities because we knew the difference between good and pure evil.

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187 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:51:21am

re: #87 Natasha

AKs are fantastic! I have two, and they are a delight to fire, as well as a breeze to maintain. Here's to you, Mr. Kalashnikov! (The man is still alive and now makes mad royalties off the vodka named after him).

But not very accurate, from my experience. Spray and pray.

188 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:51:50am

Someone needs to ask Bill how he would feel about somebody blowing his apartment up (after giving warning of course).
Just guessing but I think he would be against that sort of thing as it pertains to his safety and possessions.

189 maddogg  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:52:14am

re: #152 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

Not necessarily. Though I am sure it contributed greatly, Mr K had very innovative ideas of his own. Germans, in general, overengineer things (i.e. the MP43/44). The AK is quite the opposite.

Halt! He said inspiration for the AK. Nobody implied it was a copy, it is not.

190 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:52:22am

re: #180 Kosh's Shadow


I wasn't commenting on what they want, but what they acknowledge does not YET exist.

An Arab-Palestine State is a desired goal. Even I accept that. (its not my goal, but it IS theirs). Its when people already accept that this goal has been accomplished, that I get bent out of shape, as it just isn't true.

Therefore, when the Arab League admits that "Palestine" does not yet exist, they admit the Truth, and this understanding should have consequences on the acqusations made against Israel. (ex: you cannot "occupy" a State that doesn't exist)

191 Natasha  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:52:23am

re: #185 WrathofG-d

I believe in giving to the deserving. Too many people on this Earth believe they are only entitled to take. They are wrong.

192 E tan e epi tan  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:53:04am

re: #135 Vergeltung


Although Kalashnikov has always denied that he copied the German rifle and that it was all his own design.

193 Natasha  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:53:13am

re: #187 Son of the Black Dog

But not very accurate, from my experience. Spray and pray.

It is true, but I'd rather have an inaccurate rifle that will fire, than an accurate one that jams up at the drop of a hat.

194 Vergeltung  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:53:29am

re: #152 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

Not necessarily. Though I am sure it contributed greatly, Mr K had very innovative ideas of his own. Germans, in general, overengineer things (i.e. the MP43/44). The AK is quite the opposite.

yes and no. I'd agree with the statement that he greatly improved on the design. there was alot of theft from the StG44 design & the theory in general. the StG44 was revolutionary.

195 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:53:43am

Fifty years after the last M-16 has gone to the scrapper, there will still be AK's out there committing murder.

196 Nancy  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:53:57am

re: #117 zombie

Good. That's what I was trying to remember.
As I recall, their primary accomplishment was violence.

197 vagabond trader  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:54:26am

Oh, I get it, get your kinder gentler terrorist message out to the bitter folk via comic book format. Because, you know, we're all so damned dumb.

198 Lawrence Schmerel  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:54:57am

Lefty types sure love to the cartoon format. I wonder why that is?

199 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:56:12am

re: #198 Lawrence Schmerel

Lefty types sure love to the cartoon format. I wonder why that is?

revolutionary-bringing the message to idiot proles. They should try printing a Hustler type mag with Bill Ayers thot bubbles.

200 E tan e epi tan  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:56:13am

re: #176 Natasha


You're right Natasha. I have a house in another country and know my share of real no kidding communists. To a man, they are all lazy freeloaders and thieves waiting for a free ride.

201 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:56:19am

re: #191 Natasha

Fair enough, I believe in giving to the needy, it then comes down to who is needy.

The larger point I was trying to make however is that the ideal of sitting around as a brotherhood of man, loving eachother, and voluntairly giving to eachother equally is a great idea...but I believe only possibly when G-d is involved. The idea needs something greater than self to be the motivator...the State is not enough.

202 Natasha  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:56:31am

re: #198 Lawrence Schmerel

Lefty types sure love to the cartoon format. I wonder why that is?

Because people who fall for leftism are not very bright, and thus incapable of comprehending a different format?

203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:56:45am

Looking back on the 1970s, I'm amazed - and grateful - that there wasn't a full-on revolution & civil war.

204 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:58:40am

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Looking back on the 1970s, I'm amazed - and grateful - that there wasn't a full-on revolution & civil war.

I remember the 70's and some of the sixties. those people were known as evil shithead fringe even then, although Media tries to embiggen their reputations retroactively.

205 Vergeltung  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 9:59:26am

re: #192 E tan e epi tan

Although Kalashnikov has always denied that he copied the German rifle and that it was all his own design.

well, I know what that's worth. Nada! :)

207 Natasha  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:00:17am

re: #200 E tan e epi tan

You're right Natasha. I have a house in another country and know my share of real no kidding communists. To a man, they are all lazy freeloaders and thieves waiting for a free ride.

Oh, believe me! Growing up in the USSR I have seen enough! The reason why the bastard Putin is still enjoying so much power is that too many people are so used to freeloading.

208 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:00:43am
209 jcbunga  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:01:08am
"The thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being."

Whining, using foul language and murdering innocents is not using "every ounce of my being".

If he felt that way, why not sign up for the Viet Cong and put every ounce of his being on the line against the troops he so despises and mocks as 'suckers'? After all, most of these brats think Papa Ho was equivalent to George Washington anyway.

They were spoiled brats then who couldn't hold a candle to their moms and dads--i.e.: the Great Depression and WW2, heck even the moon shots for the most part--and they are still brats, only capable of burping out the occasional pout and whine.

In the final analysis, what truly ails these dusty old hippies is their inability to match the greatness of the generations that preceded or followed.

They hate themselves for not measuring up.

They hate the knowledge that when they themselves are gone, they won't amount to more than a greasy speed bump in our history. An embarrassment. A monument to under achievement and bad hygiene.

The sooner these non-hacking, spineless mistakes kick off the better.

210 E tan e epi tan  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:01:27am

re: #205 Vergeltung


Yeah, yeah, I know. And during the Cold War the Soviets claimed they had invented the telephone, the light bulb, and a game called beizbol.

211 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:02:12am

Wayyyyy OT:

So I am going through this email-list thing that is sent to me of things going on around LA, and I come to this title:

The Hitler Roast - A Multi-Media Comedy Extravaganza

This is the tagline for the event:

The Comedy Noir series of mock celebrity roasts continues with Time Magazine's 1938 Man of the year, Adolph Hitler. Joining The Chancellor on the dais will be such villainous historical icons as Caligula, The Marquis De Sade, Idi Amin, Satan and George Bush. Hosted by "Jeff Foxworthy" and with special appearances by Joan Rivers, Anne Frank, Amy Winehouse and a few surprise guests.

212 gr8inferno  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:03:01am

....Cue the music... *tell me lies, tel me lies , tell me little lies.........

213 unclassifiable  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:06:05am

This country practically has an opportunity for regime change every two years so why the violence?

1) 'cause it's not quick enough to the radical left's liking
2) 'cause organizing opposition to the man is too hard
3) 'cause people are just too shiftless and lazy to grasp "The Message"
4) 'cause democracy is just an oligarchic construct to keep the man in power -- it's an illusion
5) 'cause there is a need to speak truth to power

Never a more inconsistent, incompatible, incomprehensible list shall ever be constructed. This is the product of a spoiled generation where each individuals "self-esteem" is more important than their contribution. When given a chance to live in the Marxist world (i.e. from each according to their means; to each according to their needs) these sociopaths will contribute nothing and need everything. I would have thought by now this country would have ostracized these idiots to oblivion but, to their credit, their only observable talent is the con artist touch for getting others to do their bidding.

214 cferraro04  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:06:13am

I think equally important are the words preceding "“I don’t think violent resistance is necessarily the answer...” Preceding those words are these words "After the majority of the American people came to oppose it"

This means that prior to the majority of the American people opposing it he still thinks that violent resistance was necessary.

215 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:08:03am

re: #150 Nevergiveup

And what is so new? Clinton was real palsy with Yasser. had him over all the time.

Clinton eventually realized what Arafat was, a terrorist. Carter still loves the guy, well, would, if he were still alive.

216 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:10:13am

re: #192 E tan e epi tan

Although Kalashnikov has always denied that he copied the German rifle and that it was all his own design.

Yakolev did the same thing with the bomber that was the B-29 copy, down to repairs and patches.

217 unclassifiable  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:14:21am

re: #215 Kosh's Shadow

Carter still loves the guy, well, would, if he were still alive.

For a minute there I thought they finally declared Jimmy brain-dead.

218 Hard Right  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:15:49am

The sh*tbag behind the cartoon is a guy who goes under the name Tom Tomorrow. He's a radical leftist too.

219 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:20:16am

.

You re: #213 unclassifiable

This country practically has an opportunity for regime change every two years so why the violence?

Because it isn't some secret cabal, it isn't "The Man," it isn't the military-industrial complex, or any other vague boogeyman-like group of powerful people keeping them from office and making the changes they want.

It is the weakness of their views in the first place.

They finally learned to water the ideas down, pretend to agree with proven ideas for the most part, with teeny hints of socialism. And then they got elected. And then a little more socialism, and a little more, and a little more.

220 RickZ  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:21:17am

re: #216 Kosh's Shadow

Yakolev did the same thing with the bomber that was the B-29 copy, down to repairs and patches.

And a coffee ring stain!

221 Phocid  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:21:56am

Bill Ayres: "Terrorists indimidate, while we aimed only to educate. No, we're not terrorists."

Ayres and Obama worked together in a on a Chicago education board--no doubt Obama shared the same views on 'education' as Bill. Ayres' ideas about education have managed to infect schools nationwide, essentially bringing left wing indoctrination into the public schools under the rubric of "social justice." The effect has been to destroy educational possibilities for countless minority children.

222 soccerdad  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:27:00am

re: #103 Deseeded

Second Panel: Government "Instillations"

Was it a purposeful use of instill instead of install?

Instillation: To introduce by gradual, persistent efforts; implant

Bombing centers of Gov't mind-control maybe? Fighting against "the man", man?

/moonbat

Very good observation. I was about to take him to task about the typo....but you might be right.

223 NR Pax  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:30:02am

re: #162 lawhawk

Anti war groups today are no different than those a generation ago. They aren't anti-war so much as anti-US.

I talked to my father last year about this. He was career AF and had the pleasure of flying over Vietnam a few times to refuel fighters and bombers. I said "Please tell me that the protesters in your day were smarter than the ones we have now."

His reply: "I can't. That would be lying to you."

224 maddogg  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:30:37am

re: #195 Peacekeeper

Fifty years after the last M-16 has gone to the scrapper, there will still be AK's out there committing murder.

Well, in that case we will jail that AK. Don't you agree?

225 Robert Schwartz  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:33:34am

Excerpts from the original NYTimes articles about Ayers:

SEP 11, 2001
Life With the Weathermen: No Regrets for a Love of Explosives
By DINITIA SMITH

I don't regret setting bombs," Bill Ayers said. "I feel we didn't do enough." Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

Now he has written a book, "Fugitive Days" (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction. He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

"Is this, then, the truth?," he writes. "Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me."

But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

"Obviously, the point is it's a reflection on memory," he answered. "It's true as I remember it."

NYT Magazine

September 16, 2001

Questions for Bill Ayers, ex-Weatherman, on Which Way the Wind Is Blowing

By HOPE REEVES

You're calling from a pay phone? You still pick up a receiver and think, ''My phone might be tapped''?

I think anybody in America who doesn't think that is off his rocker. Is there such a thing as a Big Brother? Absolutely. I mean, our worst paranoid fantasies about what the government was capable of in the mid-60's turned out to be mild by comparison to what it did.

But you're living a normal life now, with a job and a family and a book to sell, while at least one former comrade, like Kathy Boudin, who was just denied parole, is still in prison. Does that mean you've come to place a certain trust in society?

I don't trust it. You can't live in a society like this in equilibrium and not sell your soul. This society is not a just and fair and decent place.

So you're living troubled?

Oh, I'm troubled, troubled. We're living in a country where the election was stolen, and we didn't have a mass uprising. It's incredible. We're all asleep. The pundits all pat themselves on the back: ''God, what a great country. You know, we could have had a constitutional crisis, but instead, we let him steal the election. Isn't that great. What a country.'' It makes me want to puke.

* * *

My parents were also Weathermen. Whenever they refer to their ''revolution,'' I can't help rolling my eyes. ... You were quoted as urging the young to ''kill all the rich people, break up their cars and apartments, bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's at.'' Did you actually mean for people to do that?

Many things were said in a kind of a humor. They were excessive and extreme and a joke. They were taken literally mainly by the for-profit media to show how crazy we were.

Well, my mom took it seriously, as a directive from you.

She killed her parents?

No, but it took years to heal the wounds. She and the other foot soldiers, as she calls them, looked to you and the Weather Bureau for direction.

Well, if there's a lesson, it's to never surrender your own mind. People being betrayed by leaders -- well, that's the cautionary tale.

* * *

226 Joan Not of Arc  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:33:43am

Nothing says pacifism like violence.
What a moron.

227 Robert Schwartz  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:34:12am

In September of 2001 even the NYTimes couldn't stand the criticism they got for the Ayers articles, so the sent the black guy out to administer the coup-de-grace.

September 30, 2001

'Fugitive Days': The Oldest Rad
By BRENT STAPLES

* * *

Ayers has further cushioned his future by writing a maddeningly evasive memoir, ''Fugitive Days'' -- one of those books that tell by not telling. The jacket copy is the kind of agitprop that could have been written by the young Ayers himself. In it we learn that ''Bill Ayers was born into privilege,'' and we are given to understand throughout ''Fugitive Days'' that privilege is a crime, if not a badge of shame. ... When he describes his family's comfortable life in suburban Chicago, the kitchen appliances, the color television and the maid are rendered into a bill of particulars against the Ayers family in particular and white suburbanites in general. Bill resents the father's good job, and the fact that he was once considered as a potential Secretary of the Army. He resents his mother's chirpy optimism and portrays her as blind to the social evils that will require his revolutionary attentions down the road. The class guilt drums on and on.

* * *

''Fugitive Days'' contains a great many obfuscations. ... But elsewhere in ''Fugitive Days'' the task of choosing among the true, the near true and the untrue is frustrating. Ayers reminds us often that he can't tell everything without endangering people involved in the story. But his partial retelling reaches fraudulence when he writes, ''Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,'' then backs and fills, saying that he bombed it, not literally but metaphorically, as part of the Weathermen group in charge of the operation. He says that he needed to ''claim'' the explosion in order to write about it, and he adds later that he is not ashamed of any of the bombings and would not rule out planting another bomb someday; ''I can't imagine entirely dismissing the possibility.''

In Ayers's hands, a career in terrorism becomes a harmless episode out of a John le Carre novel, in which our hero lives on the run, steals explosives, sets off explosions using ''tradecraft,'' as the flap copy puts it -- as if the Weathermen were characters in ''Smiley's People.'' But the Weathermen game was never really a game. Nor was it ever noble, or even moral. In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks that killed thousands of people in Lower Manhattan and the Pentagon, readers will find this playacting with violence very difficult to forgive.

228 amphibian  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:39:03am

The fucker doesn't want to do (can't get? or it would be bad for Husseinovich) an actual interview, so he has his cartoon sock puppet give one?

229 Lynn B.  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:40:48am

re: #117 zombie

I'm pretty sure the last fighting troops weren't out until 1975.

But Ayers is still full of ... what you said.

230 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:41:39am

As someone who tried to be a Police officer (didn't make it, they don't call them "The Finest" for nothing) this absolutely makes my blood boil.

231 talon_262  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:51:40am

re: #218 Hard Right

The sh*tbag behind the cartoon is a guy who goes under the name Tom Tomorrow. He's a radical leftist too.

I thought that looked like "Tom Tomorrow"'s style...his strip runs here in the Nashville Scene (our Village Voice-owned alt weekly). As far as modern cartoonists go, he's as far-left as they come...

232 Hard Right  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:55:48am

re: #231 talon_262

I thought that looked like "Tom Tomorrow"'s style...his strip runs here in the Nashville Scene (our Village Voice-owned alt weekly). As far as modern cartoonists go, he's as far-left as they come...

Yup. We have his work in a far left rag called the New Times (aka New Slime). It's free thanks to all the advertising revenue they get.
He's just as vile and hateful as Ted Rall, but not as openly rabid. I'm sure he worships Ayers.

233 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:56:52am

re: #204 Peacekeeper

Shalom, sailor.

234 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 10:58:19am

re: #198 Lawrence Schmerel

Because books are too effing hard for them to read.

235 zombie  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:00:00am

re: #229 Lynn B.

I'm pretty sure the last fighting troops weren't out until 1975.

But Ayers is still full of ... what you said.

Nope. All US ground troops were out of Vietnam by the time the bombings listed in my comment began:

On January 15, 1973, Nixon announced the suspension of offensive action against North Vietnam. The Paris Peace Accords on "Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam" were signed on January 27, 1973, officially ending direct U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. A cease-fire was declared across North and South Vietnam. U.S. POWs were released. ...
...
The U.S. and other allied forces began drastically reducing threir troop support in South Vietnam during the final years of "Vietnamization". Many U.S. troops were removed from the region, and on March 5, 1971, the U.S. returned the 5th Special Forces Group, which was the first American unit deployed to South Vietnam, to its former base in Fort Bragg, North Carolina.[122]
236 Tupac23X  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:01:26am

Thanks for all the great links Mandy.

237 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:01:41am

re: #171 WrathofG-d

Communism in theory is great

I totally disagree. Communism as a theory, sucks royally. It's a stupid idea that never works, does not take human nature into consideration and always ends up tryannical.

Terrible theory-unworkable and murderous in practice.

238 MrSnuggles  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:06:55am

Did obama not just tell the whole world that "you cannot just go reinvent yourself"?

239 luckygirl  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:16:10am

re: #237 WriterMom

I wish I could upding you a thousand times. Why would anyone think a system that takes from the laborer and gives to the lounger is a good or noble idea? It is an evil premise and absolutely disgusting in its nature.

240 Montaigne's Cat  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:29:55am

When Ayers says:

I don’t think violent resistance is necessarily the answer...

He demonstrates that he still is thinking in these terms:

By any means necessary

Which resonate with 1960s New Left radicalism and Marxist revolution.

241 kingkenrod  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:40:57am

If someone is willing to engage in "armed propaganda" or make excuses for it, they are certainly willing to engage in printed and spoken propaganda.

So why would anyone ever expect Ayers to be honest and tell the truth about himself?

242 hazzyday  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:47:35am

Ayers is like his cronies two faced as part of his lifestyle politics. He has a kind non violent face for those he wishes to fool. He has a violent no holds barred face for his real business practices. A Jekyll and Hyde type of personality.

Obama is influenced by him. They shares notes, money, time, and mentors.

the more the media looks at Palin the less he is scrutinized.

1000 and one reports. 1000 in Wasilla and 1 in Chicago.

243 GregInSeattle  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:50:22am

A very smart Liberal friend isn't acting very smart on this issue. He absolutely refuses to questions Obama's judgment on having this unrepentant terrorist as a friend. He says they aren't really friends and/or Ayers really isn't so bad. It drives me nuts.

244 susan b.  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:51:53am

Bill Ayers called the Vietnam War "profoundly immoral". I guess he doesn't think rape is "profoundly immoral".

245 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:55:45am

re: #244 susan b.

OMG that is the first time I have read about that.

246 Scion9  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 11:56:00am

re: #13 dhg4

No, because he only wants 'revolutionaries' to have guns. Sort of like the Communist protesters; they are 'Anti-War', but they are certainly Pro-Murder.

247 rb4269  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 12:20:37pm

For leftists (including [some] democrat party elites) terror violence was, is, and always will be a legitimate form of political expression. I wish just one of our media overlords would ask Obama to explain the moral difference between Ayers and Timothy McVeigh.

248 hazzyday  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 12:24:26pm

re: #235 zombie

Last to Leave page.

[Link: fallofsaigon.org...]

249 Ceemack  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 12:30:58pm

re: #87 Natasha

AKs are fantastic! I have two, and they are a delight to fire, as well as a breeze to maintain. Here's to you, Mr. Kalashnikov! (The man is still alive and now makes mad royalties off the vodka named after him).


You guys be sure and let me know when somebody shooting an AK wins at Camp Perry.

250 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 12:32:49pm

re: #249 Ceemack

You guys be sure and let me know when somebody shooting an AK wins at Camp Perry.

Sure. And be sure to let me know when an M4 does the same.

251 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 12:39:03pm

re: #194 Vergeltung

yes and no. I'd agree with the statement that he greatly improved on the design. there was alot of theft from the StG44 design & the theory in general. the StG44 was revolutionary.

THEFT is a strong word, dont you think?
By that line of reasoning everyone STOLE the concept of using powder, of using metallic cartridges, of using magazines, etc.

252 blangwort  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 12:52:12pm

As Ayers said:

"...everyone who considers himself a revolutionary should be armed, should own a gun, should have a gun in his home."

I guess he's one of this bitter men Barry was talking about "who cling to their guns and bibles." I'm a revolutionary too, Barry. Like your buddy Ayers, I own a gun, and I consider myself a revolutionary too. I practice those revolutionary skills every four years at the ballot box. And if I must, I'll use my gun to ensure that it stays that way.

But I don't suppose Bill had folk like me in mind when he said that, did he?

253 BingoBunny  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:52:33pm

The majority of weatherrman attacks occurred after the USA left Vietnam.. because USA was still not a commie country.

/but they have hope now, and change they can trust

254 acacia  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:53:20pm

Well, at least he's a Second Amendment guy.

255 joan  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:55:19pm

re: #48 MandyManners

[Link: www.antiauthoritarian.net...]

sell the image as a dartboard, spend the money on anti-Obama ads

256 Ezekiel2517  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 1:56:11pm

Communist sewer rat. Saboteurs during WWII were apprehended and shot.

257 joan  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 2:00:36pm

re: #247 rb4269

For leftists (including [some] democrat party elites) terror violence was, is, and always will be a legitimate form of political expression. I wish just one of our media overlords would ask Obama to explain the moral difference between Ayers and Timothy McVeigh.

Great observation.

Imagine if McVeigh got off on a technicality, and his accomplice. Suppose they founded a nonprofit, got a grant with matching funds proviseo, and hired some dewy collegiate JD to serve as paid Chairman to "reform education" and spend between $49 - $100 Million

Imagine the firestorm, the irreparable damage.

The Democrats have sold their souls, as a party. Individual Democrats simply are blind, the Party Apparatchiks are vile

258 billy hank  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 2:37:24pm

Just shouting into the wind on a dead thread. My contempt for Ayers is so great that I just want to remind everyone of the risk The One poses to our country. If you thought Clinton selling missile secrets to the PRCs was an affront, just wait until BHO opens the pinata of classified information for all out enemies foreign and domestic. Imagine who he's going to have in his cabinet. Remember, this guy suckled on "G__ D___ America."

And yes, BHO, I do question your patriotism, at least to the United States of America. Whatever shards of patriotism you have beyond yourself I'm sure are directed beyond our shores.

259 joan  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 2:39:26pm

re: #55 DistantThunder
and, a few days ago: Posted in: McCain's Moment
#263 DistantThunder 9/04/2008 7:49:44 pm PDT
I'm not afraid of them - I'm prepared for them."

Dude, I believe you. Holy crap.
Some formidable people still love our America, the true America paid for by our fathers in suffering, vigilance, blood.

It is past time for strategy and tactics training for the counterculture wars, ala Alinsky. Example: "Chapter One: How to face down leftist teachers and administrators, while your child is still hostage to public school classrooms.
!) Courtesy 2) Implacable will to prevail 3) Facts 4) Emotional calmness 5) Unseen allies 6) Legal defense fund and talents 7) Prior planning to minimize reprisals against your student family members 8) A heartless smile

260 Windhorse  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 2:55:18pm

Go to Hell Bill Ayers you complete scumbag.

261 rjschwarz  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 3:10:07pm

I love the passive wording. The Weather Underground took credit for bombing... As if they were just taking the heat for the actions of some other group? The Weather Underground planted the bombs and he admits as much in the following sentences so why the passive wording? Cowardly.

262 Kobyashi Maru  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 3:12:21pm

Hey Ayers is scum. I am no doubt a contrarian here on occasion, but hasn't almost every pol, including John McCain (taking money from G. Gordon Liddy several times) been involved with unsavory and even criminal people? Nixon and Bebe Rebozo? Also some pretty criminally minded presidents, Warren Harding/teapot dome/?

US Grant and his scandals? Slick Willie and his perjury?

This is what makes us great, we have diverse, far from perfect candidates and their pals........better than anywhere else for d*mn sure!

263 DoubleU  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 3:29:41pm

Awwwww he did it in cartoon format, he sounds like a swell guy.

264 DoubleU  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 3:30:40pm

And he has a star on his belly, is he a star bellied sneech or plain old commie?

265 paint-right  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 3:59:44pm

... about the Freudian slip of the mispelling , INSTILLATION, instead of installation, ... I think it is really very funny. Instilling vs installing. I'll bet.

Plus he's got a Spy vs Spy type bomb in the upper left area on a pile of dirty laundry or something.

/hidden unrepentant messages galore

266 quickjustice  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 4:46:05pm

A cop died in the bombing of the San Francisco police station, and it's pretty clear Dohrn was responsible. So his little meme "no one was hurt" is yet another lie.

And there's the 1981 Brink's armored car robbery in New York, where two cops were killed. Ayers and Dohrn weren't directly involved in those murders, but the Weather Underground certainly was.

267 Lynn B.  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 5:35:44pm

re: #235 zombie

I stand corrected.

August 23, 1972 - The last U.S. combat troops depart Vietnam.

Guess I was thinking of this.

April 30, 1975 - At 8:35 a.m., the last Americans, ten Marines from the embassy, depart Saigon, concluding the United States presence in Vietnam.

268 katemaclaren  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 5:39:25pm

Instillations comment. I thought perhaps he meant they were the Revenooers.
;-)

269 katemaclaren  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 5:40:01pm

-hic-

270 leereyno  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 5:41:52pm

What's the difference between William Ayers and the Unabomber?

One is a professional academic who became a terrorist. The other is a professional terrorist who became an academic.

271 katemaclaren  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 5:58:03pm

Beware the star-bellied sneetch
His brain has exceeded his reach
While planting a bomb he
Pissed off his mommie
Who promptly paddled his breach.

So, never fear the bomber turned prof
His plans for revolution are off
And nightly in bed
His cheeks still burn red
When Bernadine complaints it's too soft.

272 c&msdad  Tue, Sep 9, 2008 6:49:40pm

Murtagh's piece should be in every paper(at least those that still have a subscription base) across the country! I am so sick of these skumbags from the 60s getting a pass because it was an "age of expression and exploration" when they challenged the norm. As a cop I think killing people is and always has been a crime, even the most exhaulted Barack Hussein Obama should agree.

273 BethesdaDog  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:59:08am

re: #267 Lynn B.

I stand corrected.

Zombie,

Actually, the HistoryPlace site appears to be incorrect. If you look down lower, you will see that it also says that the last U.S. combat troops departed on March 29, 1973. That is the day that keeps coming up wit my google searches. Unfortunately, I haven't found an official U.S. government timeline, but it appears on enough sites that I believe that is the accepted date. Also, that was the date that Nixon declared the war over.

Still, it meets your criteria for stating that most of Ayers' terrorism occurred after the U.S. involvement ended.

I remember Ayers and Dohrn quite well--and I remembered when their faction split off from the SDS when the latter organization split about five ways. These people were the among the most heinous people to ever emerge in this country and should have been rounded up and successfully prosecuted.

It's a travesty that these monsters are able to live free and comfortable lives, never having paid the price for their evil acts. I can't imagine how Northwestern Law School could provide a comfortable professional position for a woman whose adult live was dedicated to destructive, murderous and illegal acts of such proportions. This is a very discouraging commentary on the culture--or at least part of it--in which we now live. These miscreants--Dohrn and Ayers--should be reviled and removed from civilized society. Instead, under the shelter of Obama and his ilk, they enjoy positions of ever-increasing acceptance, influence and comfort. I wish I could exchange their lives for just two of the brave young Americans who sacrificed for the rest of us in Viet Nam, and whose sacrifice was for naught because of the weakness of those back home who undermined the effort short of success.


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