Zombie: The End of the Tree People
Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:58:38 am PDT
The trees! Somebody save the trees! Oh noes! They’re chopping them down! Berkeley Tree-Sit Finally Ends.
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Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:58:38 am PDT
The trees! Somebody save the trees! Oh noes! They’re chopping them down! Berkeley Tree-Sit Finally Ends.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:00:29am |
The tree-sitters are in no way the equal of the victims of the Holocaust. Buncha assholes cheapen the Holocaust everytime they equate their plight to it.
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cicero05 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:01:11am |
America as Nazi Germany. These leftards live in a hallucinatory world all their own.
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calvin coolidge Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:01:26am |
If you put lipstick on a tree, it's still a tree.
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:01:51am |
Shades of Germany? The left slanders the memories of the millions persecuted and murdered by the Nazis by using Martin Niemoeller poignant words. These people aren't being persecuted, but have squatted on property that does not belong to them and are being ejected from the property.
Anarchists seek to damage public property and destroy anything them come across. They aren't law abiding citizens by any stretch, and arresting them is for public safety, not persecution.
Idiots.
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doppelganglander Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:02:16am |
I thought it was stupid enough when animal rights activists insisted animals have rights equal to those of humans, but this seems to suggest trees do, too. Only someone dumb as a stump could believe that.
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callahan23 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:02:40am |
They are so retarded to be using this allegory.
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Gumby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:02:54am |
It would be nice if they could come up with something humorous and original....
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jcm Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:03:01am |
re: #5 lawhawk
Shades of Germany? The left slanders the memories of the millions persecuted and murdered by the Nazis by using Martin Niemoeller poignant words. These people aren't being persecuted, but have squatted on property that does not belong to them and are being ejected from the property.
Anarchists seek to damage public property and destroy anything them come across. They aren't law abiding citizens by any stretch, and arresting them is for public safety, not persecution.
Idiots.
What lawhawk said!
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victor_yugo Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:03:31am |
re: #5 lawhawk
Thank you for beating me to the punch, with far more style than I can muster this soon after getting up.
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Silhouette Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:03:33am |
Dudes, the Lorax called.
Even he said, "Let it go. There are other freaking trees."
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:04:14am |
The tree sitters are closer in spirit to the brownshirted SA goon that the NSDAP would post in front of a Jewish owned shop to intimidate the customers. Except that there are accounts of SA goons stepping out of the way when they were politely asked to.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:04:20am |
re: #1 buzzsawmonkey
None dare call it trees-on.
I'm gonna' go out on a limb here and say that that's the best pun ever.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:04:48am |
HOW MANY TREES DIED TO MAKE THAT SIGN!?
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:04:52am |
So they're going after the squatters and anarchists next?
Excellent news! Thanks for cheering up my day, stinky hippie!
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victor_yugo Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:04:53am |
re: #6 doppelganglander
I thought it was stupid enough when animal rights activists insisted animals have rights equal to those of humans, but this seems to suggest trees do, too. Only someone dumb as a stump could believe that.
Let's see...
The tree-sitters are trying to stop humans from using plants.
PETA are trying to stop humans from using animals.
Cage match!
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alegrias Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:05:29am |
Al Gore has made $100 million dollars off these tree huggers' hysteria.
Some folks have too much time & $$$ on their hands.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:05:33am |
Famed former tree-sitter Dumpster Muffin danced on the street below in the crowd.
Who the heck names their kid "Dumpster"?
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Silhouette Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:05:50am |
Well, I don't see any misspelled words or homonym errors. So they've got that going for them.
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:05:55am |
re: #5 lawhawk
The NSDAP were the Greens back in the old days.
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Gumby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:06:06am |
re: #14 The Other Les
The tree sitters are closer in spirit to the brownshirted SA goon that the NSDAP would post in front of a Jewish owned shop to intimidate the customers. Except that there are accounts of SA goons stepping out of the way when they were politely asked to.
Not to mention the person politely asking was carrying concealed....
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feedupdem Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:06:17am |
Call me when they get to eccentrics/anoraks, then I'll start to worry.
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quickjustice Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:06:22am |
Old Southern saying: "That dog won't hunt. And that coon won't tree."
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sattv4u2 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:06:25am |
re: #15 MandyManners
I'm gonna' go out on a limb here and say that that's the best pun ever.
I'll LEAF that remark alone. I do know the leftists will blame BUSH, no matter what the ROOTS of the problem are
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:06:58am |
then they came for the initial capital letters at the beginning of sentences
but I did not say anything
I'm not a capital letter.
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:07:34am |
Seriously, some of those trees were a nice size. I hope they were lumbered. Too often I seen folks chopping down quality trees and just shredding them to saw dust. Quality hardwood is expensive and with a little inititiative the owner could easily lumber and sell the boards.
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:07:37am |
re: #7 callahan23
They are so retarded to be using this allegory.
Retardation is a biological condition. Gaianists adhere to an ideology that effectively renders them functionally dumb.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:08:10am |
How much public money was spent dealing with these imbeciles?
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Gumby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:08:13am |
re: #27 quickjustice
Old Southern saying: "That dog won't hunt. And that coon won't tree."
You said coon!
/sarc
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Cicero05 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:08:26am |
re: #18 Occasional Reader
So they're going after the squatters and anarchists next?
Excellent news! Thanks for cheering up my day, stinky hippie!
Any chance they can put Hollywood celebs and the ACLU types on the list?
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Racer X Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:09:05am |
If you have not yet seen this video, take a look. A bunch of hippies screaming and crying over a dead tree.
If they showed one-tenth as much emotion over dead humans I would care more.
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Silhouette Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:09:08am |
And I deny them even the argument that it was over the trees. The same expense and effort, applied elsewhere, could have saved thousands of trees.
This was for their egos. Take that, Daddy!
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:09:11am |
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Silhouette Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:09:53am |
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:09:55am |
Clown is sad! Sad about trees!
Can't sleep. Clowns will photosynthesize me.
Can't sleep. Clowns will photosynthesize me.
Can't sleep. Clowns will photosynthesize me.
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:10:16am |
re: #25 Gumby
Not to mention the person politely asking was carrying concealed....
Or a little old lady with a nice solid hardwood cane.
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nyc redneck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:10:36am |
re: #32 Occasional Reader
How much public money was spent dealing with these imbeciles?
too much,
weren't they up there for 2 yrs.
several ct. battles to roust them.
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Morganfrost Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:10:39am |
Yeah, once the police start actually enforcing the laws and requiring people to stop trespassing, defecating in public, and causing a health hazard, then we are surely on the short road to a fascist state.
Sigh. I suppose it's only a matter of time before Sarah Palin's jack-booted thugs begin forcing everyone to pray in tongues, eat caribou sushi and have unwanted babies.
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Atweber Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:10:57am |
As a Cal football booster I have been watching this fiasco from day 1 and yelling TIIIIIIMMMMMMBRRRRRRRRR everytime I walk by these idiots. If it were only up to me those trees would have been chopped down with the mongoloids in them long ago.
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yma o hyd Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:11:10am |
re: #14 The Other Les
The tree sitters are closer in spirit to the brownshirted SA goon that the NSDAP would post in front of a Jewish owned shop to intimidate the customers. Except that there are accounts of SA goons stepping out of the way when they were politely asked to.
They are even closer than you think - 'love of trees' seems to be deeply ingrained in the 'true' German/Aryan folk memory. See this: Yggdrasil.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:11:42am |
re: #28 sattv4u2
I'll LEAF that remark alone. I do know the leftists will blame BUSH, no matter what the ROOTS of the problem are
I'll knot try to keep up with you.
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Silhouette Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:11:45am |
They threw their own feces at people, and then insisted they be allowed to come down with dignity.
Dignity. Boat. Sailed.
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lurking faith Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:12:10am |
re: #6 doppelganglander
Hey, don't insult the stump's intelligence.
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ContraJihadi Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:12:42am |
re: #30 experiencedtraveller
Seriously, some of those trees were a nice size. I hope they were lumbered. Too often I seen folks chopping down quality trees and just shredding them to saw dust. Quality hardwood is expensive and with a little inititiative the owner could easily lumber and sell the boards.
The owner is the Board of Regents of the University of California. Don't look for entrepreneurship there.
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maddogg Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:12:44am |
The LLL only worries about the loons and nuts being taken off the street. Freedom loving conservatives are "enemies of the state" and therefore must be dealt with. People who live in trees and crap their pants are not a problem.
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Gumby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:12:51am |
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:13:11am |
re: #39 Occasional Reader
Can't sleep. Clowns will photosynthesize me.
Can't sleep. Clowns will photosynthesize me.
Can't sleep. Clowns will photosynthesize me.
Now I know what will be tonight's nightmare. TYTYVM.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:13:16am |
There's something about that poster that really gets my goat.
Basically, this person is saying that tree-sitters, squatters, anarchists, and he are the equivalent of victims of the Nazi regime.
Guess what, moron... THESE PEOPLE AREN'T BEING KILLED FOR THEIR BELIEFS.
Ugh, I'm too angry right now to go type anymore.
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:13:25am |
Lordy, I am embarrassed to be breathing the same air as these people...
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Pyrocles Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:13:27am |
"Clown is sad! Sad about trees!"
LOL! I love zombie's comments... Our IT guy won't be pleased at the coffee stains on my keyboard, though!
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SpartanWoman Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:13:42am |
re: #9 Racer X
Love the sign. Please come get the anarchists.
They say "came for the anarchists" as if it was a bad thing?
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:13:47am |
re: #42 Morganfrost
I don't understand why some people have a problem with trains running on time.
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scott in east bay Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:14:02am |
Just think of the smell!
I live just north of Berkeley.
The tree hippies are gone. Code Stink has stopped bothering the Marines.
Life is bleak, I tell you.
Oh well, back to wearing my McCain shirt while shopping in Berkeley.
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SpartanWoman Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:14:34am |
re: #21 alegrias
Al Gore has made $100 million dollars off these tree huggers' hysteria.
Some folks have too much time & $$$ on their hands.
I wish I had too much time and money...sigh
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callahan23 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:14:49am |
re: #15 MandyManners
I'm gonna' go out on a limb here and say that that's the best pun ever.
IMHO it's - #13 buzzsawmonkey
Their bark is worse than their bite.
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Ben Hur Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:00am |
Meanwhile, here's something that no one else has reported on: On the opposite side of campus, the university is building a completely unrelated structure, and the work crews there have cut down twice as many trees as were cut down at the stadium project -- but nobody cared! Or even noticed!
That pretty much sums up the Left's attitude about everything.
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Clioman Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:02am |
I love the smell of chainsaws early in the morning. It smells like...firewood.
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maddogg Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:23am |
re: #60 SpartanWoman
I wish I had too much time and money...sigh
You do! But Barry's gonna help you with that.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:35am |
re: #46 Silhouette
They threw their own feces at people, and then insisted they be allowed to come down with dignity.
Dignity. Boat. Sailed.
Upding!
"I may be naked and reeking with panda love, but I still have my dignity."
-H. Simpson
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Barking Pumpkin Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:37am |
Oh just make like a tree and leaf!
/ducks
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:40am |
re: #44 yma o hyd
They are even closer than you think - 'love of trees' seems to be deeply ingrained in the 'true' German/Aryan folk memory. See this: Yggdrasil.
Any relation to Druids?
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debutaunt Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:52am |
re: #54 MrSilverDragon
There's something about that poster that really gets my goat.
Basically, this person is saying that tree-sitters, squatters, anarchists, and he are the equivalent of victims of the Nazi regime.
Guess what, moron... THESE PEOPLE AREN'T BEING KILLED FOR THEIR BELIEFS.
Ugh, I'm too angry right now to go type anymore.
Calm down. The point these tree sitters made was best shown when they heaved their own poop down on the police. How can you argue with that?
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ContraJihadi Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:54am |
re: #59 scott in east bay
...
Oh well, back to wearing my McCain shirt while shopping in Berkeley.
And you live to tell the tale!
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:56am |
re: #22 Honorary Yooper
Who the heck names their kid "Dumpster"?
Perhaps they were talking about Ryan Dempster? A lot of Cubs fans were and might still be calling him "Dumpster"...
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KibbyKat Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:16:19am |
Why did this take so long? Are there no civic-minded chainsaw owners in CA?
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Ben Hur Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:16:42am |
I want to mourn the loss!
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:16:57am |
re: #35 Racer X
If you have not yet seen this video, take a look. A bunch of hippies screaming and crying over a dead tree.
If they showed one-tenth as much emotion over dead humans I would care more.
I must say that I appreciate their dedication. Apathy is one of the greatest problems in the world today.
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CanadianBacon Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:17:05am |
I still struggle with the notion that inanimate objects or non-sentient animals can have rights.
Rights are the human notional concept that accompany responsibilities. When you accept the responsibility to act as an adult human, you are accorded the rights our society grants to a human adult. These rights are adjusted to account for age and other variables as are the responsibilities. While various societies have differing formulas for the relation between responsibility and right (less for women in the Islamofascist devolutionary societies of Iran or England, perhaps) but none accord rights to animals or trees.
Give it a rest, there is no such thing as moral equivalence and the only value - if you should choose to be honest - in any animal or inanimate object is it's utility to humans.
Trees, therefor, have no intrinsic value save as a pretty view and as a resource. Same goes for baby harp seals or Bridgette Bardot: pretty to look at but only the pelt is useful (okay, I've stretched the metaphor past it's yield point, but you get the idea).
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:17:06am |
Buzzsaw is running rings around the rest of you saps.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:17:48am |
re: #73 kansas
Are people really this stupid?
have you never driven a car or walked thru a mall and seen other people
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Ben Hur Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:18:07am |
re: #78 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Buzzsaw is running rings around the rest of you saps.
Who asked you to o-pine?
Yes! I made one!
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uncle_monkey Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:18:28am |
Tree sitters, squatters and anarchists.
The cream of society.
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Zonie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:18:40am |
So the sign-maker is claiming (or perhaps admitting) that Berkeley is filled with nothing but squatters, anarchists and sign-makers? Sounds like a Zombie report.
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:18:54am |
re: #78 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Buzzsaw is running rings around the rest of you saps.
That really strips my bark... my sap is flowing.
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yma o hyd Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:19:01am |
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Silhouette Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:19:06am |
On the opposite side of campus, the university is building a completely unrelated structure, and the work crews there have cut down twice as many trees as were cut down at the stadium project -- but nobody cared! Or even noticed!
Heh
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jorline Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:19:06am |
May be the tree sitters will all migrate to Russia. They can occupy restroom stalls and protest the lack of toilet seats...hell, they can bring a couple branches if it makes them feel better.
The problem with this is Russia will have to invade another sovereign country to meet the demand for more toilet seats.
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jcm Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:19:10am |
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Cognito Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:19:16am |
I haven't followed this particular story -- something about trees coming down to make way for a stadium, if I understand correctly. Generally I do hate to see big trees cut down if it can be avoided, but when I see the line, "They came for the squatters, but I didn't say anything because I am not a squatter," I find myself wanting to go outside and start hacking at the nearest tree as a matter of principle.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:19:19am |
re: #70 debutaunt
Calm down. The point these tree sitters made was best shown when they heaved their own poop down on the police. How can you argue with that?
With a catapult to return to sender.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:19:31am |
re: #80 Ben Hur
Who asked you to o-pine?
Yes! I made one!
*up-ding* for someone who's come down to our level
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victor_yugo Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:20:16am |
re: #76 MandyManners
I must say that I appreciate their dedication.
But not their defecation.
At least, I hope.
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Wild Knight Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:21:02am |
Sod of swampy. And your ilk. Had to be said.
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Dianna Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:21:37am |
As always, zombie, a wonderful job. I loved the final - unnoticed - irony.
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:21:56am |
re: #7 callahan23
They are so retarded to be using this allegory.
A gentle tip for your future reference. You only want to use the term "retarded" when referring to the spark advance on an older automobile.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:22:12am |
re: #86 jorline
The problem with this is Russia will have to invade another sovereign country to meet the demand for more toilet seats.
First they came for the squatters; but those things are damned uncomfortable.
Then they came for the toilet seats; big improvement.
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ROPMA Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:22:35am |
Why didn't the police get out there with a paint ball gun? It would be great fun.
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DaChew Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:23:35am |
First they came for the Tree-sitters, but I didn't say anything because I am not a tree-sitter.
Then they came for the Squatters, but I didn't say anything because I'm not a Squatter.
Then they came for the Anarchists but I didn't say anything because I'm not an Anarchist.
Then they knocked on my door and we went around back and cooked steaks on the barbeque, drank beer and played horse shoes because now my neighborhood smelled good enough to use my backyard again.
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:23:37am |
re: #73 kansas
Are people really this stupid?
I suspect that the local culture in California was significantly influenced by the initial inrush of emigrants who sought to obtain great wealth with little or no effort in the Gold Rush of 1849. This fantasy driven attitude would be reinforced by establishment of the entertainment industry as well as academic and industrial Communist groups and would continue to dominate the local culture to the present day.
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jorline Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:23:52am |
re: #95 Occasional Reader
First they came for the squatters; but those things are damned uncomfortable.
Then they came for the toilet seats; big improvement.
LOL...has to be better than sitting in a damn tree...friggin moonbats.
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:24:36am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:24:37am |
re: #90 pre-Boomer Marine brat
*up-ding* for someone who's come down to our level
the elevator doesn't go down far enough to reach my level
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jcm Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:24:56am |
re: #97 ROPMA
Why didn't the police get out there with a paint ball gun? It would be great fun.
Cops have an improved version of paint ball.
The balls are filled with pepper spray.
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mfarmer1 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:26:03am |
I'm so very thankful that I'm not a tree-sitter, a squatter, or an anarchist.
"Those poor people" -Mathesar from the movie Galaxy Quest expressing his feelings for the cast of Gilligan's Island
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kansas Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:26:06am |
re: #79 sattv4u2
have you never driven a car or walked thru a mall and seen other people
Well, I try to stay a away from malls, but last time I was there with the kid......good point. Thanks.
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Silhouette Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:26:40am |
re: #96 buzzsawmonkey
Which is more disturbing; this strain of atavism in the society, or society's indulgence of it?
I would without hesitation say the indulgence. We always have two-year-olds, but in generations past, they were civilized by their parents and other adults.
Bork blames part of it on simple numbers of the baby boom. Too many in the university culture for the professors to mold them. Instead, the universities caves and allowed themselves to be molded/changed instead.
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talon_262 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:26:43am |
re: #97 ROPMA
Why didn't the police get out there with a paint ball gun? It would be great fun.
I think it would have been hilarious if the police had put a big net under the trees, helicoptered a sniper into the tree tops, and tasered the treesitters down...
;-P
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ContraJihadi Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:28:20am |
re: #97 ROPMA
Thumbs up for you avatar, as well as for your lizard-name.
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kansas Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:29:11am |
re: #99 The Other Les
I suspect that the local culture in California was significantly influenced by the initial inrush of emigrants who sought to obtain great wealth with little or no effort in the Gold Rush of 1849. This fantasy driven attitude would be reinforced by establishment of the entertainment industry as well as academic and industrial Communist groups and would continue to dominate the local culture to the present day.
Well, at least the men who wanted gold actually tried to find it with like shovels and you know, pick axes, shit like that, instead of sitting on their asses and whining about not getting any. You don't suppose their progeny devolved do you? ; )
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Eagle Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:29:22am |
First they came for the tree-sitters, which was ok. Now, the administrator do not have to surrender their area to a bunch of spoiled children.
Then they came for the squatters, which was ok. Finally, the owners could choose to use their property in a manner they saw fit.
Then they came for the anarchists, which was ok. Arresting those who demand your compliance at the point of a knife ... is a good thing.
They will never come for me, because I understand that I am not on this Earth to dictate. I do not make a habit of forcing other people to live in accordance with my wishes.
That is what makes America great.
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:29:27am |
re: #49 ContraJihadi
The owner is the Board of Regents of the University of California. Don't look for entrepreneurship there.
Oh so true. And, in matter of fact, these trees have some provenance. It could add to its value in the hands of a fine furniture maker.
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snuffyword Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:29:37am |
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Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:30:30am |
Zombie -
Good series of shots. Too bad nobody started a rumor that the school had changed its mind, with the site becoming the new ROTC Building - heads exploding in 3, 2, 1.....
-S-
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:30:39am |
These wonderful hardwood trees should be recycled into ...... clue by 4's!
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jcm Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:32:00am |
re: #109 talon_262
I think it would have been hilarious if the police had put a big net under the trees, helicoptered a sniper into the tree tops, and tasered the treesitters down...
;-P
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CanadianBacon Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:32:27am |
re: #88 Cognito
I haven't followed this particular story -- something about trees coming down to make way for a stadium, if I understand correctly. Generally I do hate to see big trees cut down if it can be avoided, but when I see the line, "They came for the squatters, but I didn't say anything because I am not a squatter," I find myself wanting to go outside and start hacking at the nearest tree as a matter of principle.
Trees are just really, really big weeds. They're useful weeds, to be sure, and in the right setting they make a pretty view even prettier. Heck, I even have a few places I know of where the trees are so splendid that I would like to keep them around to remind me of the glory of God's creation.
That said, I grew up in a mill town, set chokers and falled trees for a living. I've clearcut areas that were cut once before in my grandfather's day - and that regenerated naturally (without humans to replant the forest). In the city of Vancouver, BC, there is a grove of trees that I like to walk through; big, healthy beautiful trees and right in the city. No, I would not like to see these cut for lumber but they were once before (the whole area was logged at the turn of the last century) and could be again. Nature abhors a vacuum and something will grow between the big stumps again.
In fact, try and stop the trees from growing. Every time you turn around there's another one pushing up the sidewalk, choking off your sewer line, and interfereing with your view of the ocean. Damned weeds - it's like they'll grow anywhere.
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kansas Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:32:51am |
re: #109 talon_262
I think it would have been hilarious if the police had put a big net under the trees, helicoptered a sniper into the tree tops, and tasered the treesitters down...
;-P
That's a great idea. Except for the net.
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ROPMA Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:32:52am |
re: #103 jcm
I know but just a regular paintball gun will leave significant bruises.
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snuffyword Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:33:37am |
re: #81 uncle_monkey
Tree sitters, squatters and anarchists.
Oh my!
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Zola Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:34:08am |
"Now there's no more oak oppression,
for they passed a noble law.
And the trees were all kept equal,
by hatchet . . . ax . . . and saw."
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:34:17am |
Did you get Carrot Top's autograph?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:34:27am |
Alfred Joyce Kilmer died in 1918, killed in the Battle of the Marne. This scrap of verse was found in his kit bag after his death. The verse's meaning was unknown for decades.
I think that I shall never see
A hippie roosting in a tree.
A tree whose weeping limbs are prest
Against an uninvited ass.
He obviously knew his life would be foreshortened. Such is the torment of prescient genius.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:35:33am |
re: #102 sattv4u2
the elevator doesn't go down far enough to reach my level
All your stuff keeps dropping down on me.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:35:42am |
re: #73 kansas
Are people really this stupid?
How often do you drive on the freeway?
/Just saw some this stupid this very morning while driving to work.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:38:13am |
re: #96 buzzsawmonkey
Which is more disturbing; this strain of atavism in the society, or society's indulgence of it?
Excellent point.
I vote for the latter -- noticing that you used "indulgence", most apropos.
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Hard Right Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:38:54am |
That sign ignores the poo flingers and those that gave food to the tree sitters!
Anti-poo flinging and anti-tree sitter assisting bigots!
//////
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Hard Right Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:40:51am |
re: #127 Honorary Yooper
How often do you drive on the freeway?
/Just saw some this stupid this very morning while driving to work.
M-F friday, here. I'd say it's a snapshot of the tree-hippies. I see stupid people, a**holes, and clueless drivers.
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:41:07am |
re: #22 Honorary Yooper
Who the heck names their kid "Dumpster"?
Why, Mr. and Mrs. Muffin of course.
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J.S. Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:41:33am |
re: #46 Silhouette
O my! Flinging feces from the trees? That so reminds me of Swift's parody with respect to "humans" -- it was in that reverse world in which humans were animals (called "Yahoos"), and the animals were the civilized ones (the horses). Remember that one? It was hilarious...the bizarro world in which all is reversed...
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DaChew Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:41:51am |
Zombie: Side-note question here. What kind of chainsaws did the arborists use? I'm a Husqvarna man myself. Got a 355 that lights up on the first pull. Had two Stihls, keep hearing good things about them but I don't know, always needed fiddling with.
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Clutch Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:43:21am |
Ooooo, flying skanky dancing-white-girl dreads! Skanky! (now with extra skank...)
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:44:35am |
zombie,
I think the final photograph for this story still need to be taken...That of a stack of neatly piled logs.
Or perhaps a large wood-chipper in an empty lot.
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Silhouette Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:45:26am |
Class, after watching that slideshow, I have some study questions here.How many trees are planted annually by logging companies? How many were planted by activists at Berkeley?
What does trespass mean?
List at least 4 diseases spread by fecal matter.
/in my world
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J.S. Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:46:04am |
BTW, the Berkeley campus has promised to plant three trees for every one cut down...
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Egfrow Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:47:12am |
Tree Sitter, Squatter, Anarchists. This infringes on others rights to control their property. Right, that sounds like shades of fascism? What a retarded attempt at moral equivalency.
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DaChew Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:47:48am |
re: #135 Clutch
flying skanky dancing-white-girls
Are they opening for the Pussycat Dolls or the Spice Girls?
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kynna Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:47:58am |
"When they came for me ... I praised them for their good work."
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Diamond Bullet Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:48:19am |
re: #98 DaChew
First they came for the Tree-sitters, but I didn't say anything because I am not a tree-sitter.
Then they came for the Squatters, but I didn't say anything because I'm not a Squatter.
Then they came for the Anarchists but I didn't say anything because I'm not an Anarchist.
Then they knocked on my door and we went around back and cooked steaks on the barbeque, drank beer and played horse shoes because now my neighborhood smelled good enough to use my backyard again.
Best. Comment. Ever.
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WhatDoIKnow Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:50:28am |
Can we have a moment of sawness...Whaaaaeee....Whaaaaeee.
Timber!
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:52:56am |
re: #5 lawhawk
Zackly , Lawhawk!
I did note the spelling and puctuation was good!
But, Isn't that a PAPER sign?
Berzerkley is a frightening place these days!
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Egfrow Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:53:49am |
Rush just said that the turning on of the CERN Super Collider has just Re-aligned the molecules of the Democratic Liberal Party. They are in panic now because the can't recognize themselves anymore.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:55:12am |
re: #140 buzzsawmonkey
Thank you
/an honor from the master who keeps a sure hand upon the 'elm
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protestshooter Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:56:26am |
re: #22 Honorary Yooper
Who the heck names their kid "Dumpster"?
I seem to recall that her parents named her Amanda.
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right_wing2 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:56:41am |
Could we cut the tree down with the protesters in them?
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protestshooter Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:57:18am |
re: #134 DaChew
Zombie: Side-note question here. What kind of chainsaws did the arborists use? I'm a Husqvarna man myself. Got a 355 that lights up on the first pull. Had two Stihls, keep hearing good things about them but I don't know, always needed fiddling with.
Somebody commented they were Stihls. I know nothing about chainsaws but I'll take their word for it.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:57:53am |
re: #4 calvin coolidge
If you put lipstick on a tree, it's still a tree.
Are you sure? I thought it was an Entwife.
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protestshooter Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:58:42am |
re: #30 experiencedtraveller
Seriously, some of those trees were a nice size. I hope they were lumbered. Too often I seen folks chopping down quality trees and just shredding them to saw dust. Quality hardwood is expensive and with a little inititiative the owner could easily lumber and sell the boards.
They seemed to be hauling off some of the larger logs but I don't know if they were going to do something useful with them or they were just moving to a larger shredder offsite.
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baxtrice Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:59:20am |
Dude, it's a tree. You can plant another one.
And to make a claim that America is shades of Nazi Germany? You dishonor the good men and women who died in that conflict.
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CommonCents Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:01:31am |
First they came .......
When they came for me there were still 360 million+ of us left because we weren't stupid enough to go sit in a tree whilst trespassing or burn and destroy other peoples property because we didn't like ourselves or our circumstances. We were here, where are you, loser? As for the squatters, the sign reads Trespassers Will Be Shot.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:01:54am |
re: #152 protestshooter
Somebody commented they were Stihls. I know nothing about chainsaws but I'll take their word for it.
They'd have died of heart attacks had they been in my yard last weekend!LOL!
Stihl is a great saw!
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scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:02:01am |
re: #153 Tigger2005
Are you sure? I thought it was an Entwife.
Maybe if they had worn lipstick, the Ents wouldn't have lost them?
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maddogg Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:02:12am |
With all the stinky moonbats hanging around in their limbs, the trees were probably grateful for the relief.
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Ziggy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:02:59am |
Wow, it looks like they have really good weed at Berkley.
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protestshooter Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:03:16am |
re: #136 Ringo the Gringo
zombie,
I think the final photograph for this story still need to be taken...That of a stack of neatly piled logs.
Or perhaps a large wood-chipper in an empty lot.
This is probably as close as we'll get until the fences are removed or somebody can get a shot from the stadium itself: [Link: www.protestshooter.com...]
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Zonie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:04:17am |
re: #98 DaChew
First they came for the Tree-sitters, but I didn't say anything because I am not a tree-sitter.
Then they came for the Squatters, but I didn't say anything because I'm not a Squatter.
Then they came for the Anarchists but I didn't say anything because I'm not an Anarchist.
Then they knocked on my door and we went around back and cooked steaks on the barbeque, drank beer and played horse shoes because now my neighborhood smelled good enough to use my backyard again.
ROFL!
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:04:23am |
re: #162 protestshooter
Now that looks like excellent mulch!
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protestshooter Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:04:47am |
re: #158 reloadingisnotahobby
They'd have died of heart attacks had they been in my yard last weekend!LOL!
Stihl is a great saw!
You can actually see the lettering on this shot: [Link: www.protestshooter.com...]
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Tigger2005 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:04:58am |
When the Nazis came for the trade unionists, Communists, etc., they either killed them outright or sent them to stinking concentration camps and worked and starved them to death.
The person who wrote that sign deserves a righteous smacking.
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JHW Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:05:19am |
The Nazi slur is nothing new. In the Northwest timber crisis of the '90s the enviros were comparing loggers to concentration camp guards in their publications, saying they should be killed for their crimes. I've cut trees for a living for 42 years. Average 70 a day (big trees might be 4 or 5/day, little ones maybe 150 , rough, rough ave. 75/day). Makes me a multi criminal in their eyes. Too bad, it's been mostly on Indian land, for Indian employers, with Indian co-workers, managed by tribal foresters for the benefit of tribal members on a sustained yield, permanent basis. Like the Makahs in Northwest Washington with their very infrequent whale hunts, tribal members don't particularly care for rich kids telling them what to do with their own resources. In other words, go back to Seattle and Portland and mind your own business.
In 1998 one of these protesters was killed in Northern California by a falling limb when he wandered into an working area to protest. Very young man, didn't realize how dangerous it was to be around such operations. I take no joy in this, it was unnecessary and didn't have to happen.
Earth Firster Killed by Falling Tree
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Tigger2005 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:05:49am |
re: #166 Tigger2005
When the Nazis came for the trade unionists, Communists, etc., they either killed them outright or sent them to stinking concentration camps and worked and starved them to death.
The person who wrote that sign deserves a righteous smacking.
With a cluebat made from the wood of one of those trees.
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:06:04am |
re: #134 DaChew
Zombie: Side-note question here. What kind of chainsaws did the arborists use? I'm a Husqvarna man myself. Got a 355 that lights up on the first pull. Had two Stihls, keep hearing good things about them but I don't know, always needed fiddling with.
Not sure -- but Protestshooter's got a good shot of the chainsaw in his report. You can see the saw about halfway down the page.
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Silhouette Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:06:31am |
re: #160 maddogg
With all the stinky moonbats hanging around in their limbs, the trees were probably grateful for the relief.
They hopped right into the shredder.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:07:59am |
re: #165 protestshooter
What's funny is a motorhome w/ Cali.. plates stopped and asked
if they could have some fire wood I had out by the road!
I said sure! Help yourself!
When they had loaded it they drove away ...that's when I saw the Obama stcker!
Doh!LOL
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:08:32am |
re: #136 Ringo the Gringo
zombie,
I think the final photograph for this story still need to be taken...That of a stack of neatly piled logs.
Or perhaps a large wood-chipper in an empty lot.
Not possible -- they ground them all up and cleared the site immediately afterward. Not a trace is left. Protesthooter's previous day's report shows the pile of woods chips, though.
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ellem Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:08:46am |
My how poignant!
And think about... trees, Nazis, cordwood... 2008-1938==70 Creepy
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Tigger2005 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:09:50am |
In the future, will trees have civil rights?
And will some trees be more equal than others?
Will a tree be elected President?
Will Old Man Willow be sued for assault?
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Sizzlack Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:10:51am |
Ah yes shades of Germany 1938. The year Hitler launched the Arborcaust, invading numerous forests and packing millions of trees onto trains and shipping them off to lumber mills.
Only round UC Berkley could someone obtain a history education as pathetic as that.
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wintercat Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:11:29am |
I love trees. I love nature and I hate to see trees cut down indiscriminately. However, these people are utterly clueless. A comparison to Germany in '38? What the hell are they learning in college? Never mind, I already know the answer to that.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:13:09am |
Actually the protest was probably organized by a .........
..........Community organizer!
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protestshooter Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:13:56am |
re: #176 wintercat
I love trees. I love nature and I hate to see trees cut down indiscriminately. However, these people are utterly clueless. A comparison to Germany in '38? What the hell are they learning in college? Never mind, I already know the answer to that.
Well, this is pretty typical. Rather than stick to the facts on hand ("The grove is really nice. Perhaps they should build it on some of their other 6,500 acres of land the college owns.") they go on and on in a crazy fashion. Most of the people involved in the tree sit are using it as a kind of way to promote their more general UC "reform" movement - to not do animal testing, or nuclear research, and to make the Regents elected by the students or eliminate them altogether, etc. etc. etc.
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Dave the..... Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:14:19am |
Only round UC Berkley could someone obtain a history education as pathetic as that.
As a business major, I would often laugh at some of the nutjobs that get positions on History and Political Science departments. Of course there are some very good professors in our college's history depts. But some of the wacko's.....it's amazing. Would never happen in a hard science.
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Right Brain Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:15:29am |
re: #5 lawhawk
Conceit, narcissism, and melodrama almost beyond comprehensive.
The best thing one can say about America is we still allow them to vote.
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mikalm Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:15:44am |
The puns remind me of this arboreal lament:
"I Pine Fir Yew and Balsam"!
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Outrider Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:18:07am |
Scaffolding, cranes, safety equipment, many police officers; Just how much did this event cost the taxpayers? or University?
I see the enormous drain on resources these protesters (of one type or another) are drawing from the city. Don't the taxpayers get pissed off at this constant expenditure of funds to tend to a bunch of snot nosed kids?
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Colonel Panik Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:18:30am |
I think this thread deserves a rousing rendition of THE LUMBERJACK SONG!
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Basho Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:18:40am |
WOW! What a stupid poster. Of course they came for all those people. They're trouble-makers in society. The entire point of the original quote about the Nazis is that they came after law-abiders. These people are idiots.
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danS Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:20:54am |
First they came for the tree-seaters, and I said: I want you to know tree-seater, that we care!
Then they came for the Anarchists. I said to them: use this rusty baton instead.
And then they came for me. I told them: There's that PETA dude under the table, don't forget to take him.
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lurking faith Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:21:35am |
re: #183 Colonel Panik
I was wondering when somebody would post that.
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Shr_Nfr Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:23:15am |
And then the people in their funny looking outfits came and put me in a straight jacket and took me to the funny farm. I am so glad someone cares.
If these morons care about trees, then they should be out lobbying for spraying elms with DDT so that it kills the bark beetles that spread the dutch elm disease. It can be done without endangering any of the raptors. Bah!
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JHW Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:24:15am |
re: #186 ROPMA
Dayum! that's awesome, I wonder what he looked like after that.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:24:39am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:26:15am |
re: #189 JHW
Dayum! that's awesome, I wonder what he looked like after that.
Yeah!
That had to be at least 1.5 ton of chop sticks landing on him!
Suicide?
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Alouette Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:30:14am |
First they came for the trespassers, then they came for the random destroyers of property.
Yeah, works for me.
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mikalm Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:30:15am |
re: #182 Outrider
Don't the taxpayers get pissed off at this constant expenditure of funds to tend to a bunch of snot nosed kids?
Indeed they do. I've been following this story in the local online MSM outlet, SFGate.com, and reading the comments after each article. They run about 50 to 1 against the tree-sitters, with the wasted-resources issue being a major point therein.
The unanimous loathing of the tree-sitters there is quite an accomplishment when you consider the Bay Area's leftward/greenie tilt, and SFGate's blatant leftist bias. A lot of the commentary therein sounds like it was lifted straight from LGF. Even lefties and Greens weigh in there against the Berkeley idiots, calling them spoiled, delusional brats who are embarassing the environmentalist movement.
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Cygnus Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:30:39am |
re: #4 calvin coolidge
If you put lipstick on a tree, it's still a tree.
If a tree falls on a pig, it's still a pig.
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Cygnus Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:32:18am |
re: #15 MandyManners
I'm gonna' go out on a limb here and say that that's the best pun ever.
Amen! It's a complete releaf from some of the others I've seen here!
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Outrider Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:33:48am |
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Outrider Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:35:03am |
re: #195 Cygnus
Amen! It's a complete releaf from some of the others I've seen here!
Branching out from commentary are we?
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sjmiller Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:37:20am |
They should have just chopped down the tree with the morons in it.
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Basho Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:38:14am |
re: #5 lawhawk
HAH! Looks like we think alike. Should have read the comments before posting ;)
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Basho Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:39:38am |
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Cygnus Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:41:09am |
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gonecamping Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:53:59am |
re: #103 jcm
Cops have an improved version of paint ball.
The balls are filled with pepper spray.
I think seasoned hippies are more averse to the 'paintball' with a soap solution than one with pepper solution...they would run screaming like Mr. Clean himself was after them with a scrub brush and a bucket of sanitizer.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:57:56am |
That sign is one of the most unintentionally hilarious things I have ever seen, right up there with Plan 9 From Outer Space.
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CAD Daddy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:00:08am |
For those of you who missed it;
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conservativeChick Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:00:49am |
"The protesters surrendered to police at the top of the seven-story scaffold, where they were handcuffed and escorted down the structure's stairs to the applause of hundreds of onlookers, some of whom voiced support for the four men's cause and some of whom appeared happy that the 21-month protest was finally over.""
Finally the end of this stupid and pointless protest. My God 21 months! I can't imagine the awful smell they had when they came down. Stupid hippies.
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Throbert McGee Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:01:04am |
re: #8 Gumby
It would be nice if they could come up with something humorous and original....
"First they came for the Giving Tree, and I did not speak up, because I am not a Giving Tree.
"Then they came for the bitchy talking apple trees from The Wizard of Oz, and I did not speak up, because I am not a bitchy talking apple tree.
"Then they came for the Ents, and the Ents stomped them into jelly."
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gonecamping Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:01:12am |
re: #205 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
When I first read it, I thought it was a 'joke sign' that Zombie made and shot to illustrate the absurdity of the protestors. Once again, real life is funnier than scripts written for tv sitcoms.
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Throbert McGee Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:05:36am |
Oh, dammit, I forgot the Truffula trees from The Lorax!
(For the record, I'm not a Truffula tree, either.)
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CAD Daddy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:09:57am |
re: #210 conservativeChick
I checked it & it worked for me, but here is the long version.
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conservativeChick Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:11:39am |
From Zombie: [Link: www.zombietime.com...]
"Famed former tree-sitter Dumpster Muffin danced on the street below in the crowd."
Whats up with stupid hippie nicknames like Dumpster Muffin? But my favorite however was the hippie dance. What weirdos.
"Meanwhile, here's something that no one else has reported on: On the opposite side of campus, the university is building a completely unrelated structure, and the work crews there have cut down twice as many trees as were cut down at the stadium project -- but nobody cared! Or even noticed!"
Stupidity at its finest!
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Nancy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:14:13am |
And 20 years from now they will be still longing for their "glory" days when they were revolting and convincing themselves of how much they social change they accomplished!
I saw a great bumper sticker on a logging truck a couple weeks ago:
Just try using plastic toilet paper
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CAD Daddy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:15:14am |
re: #215 conservativeChick
Did you watch it yet? It cracked me up.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:16:36am |
Then they came for the moonbats, and everybody rejoiced!
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yochanan Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:18:33am |
re: #54 MrSilverDragon
There's something about that poster that really gets my goat.
Basically, this person is saying that tree-sitters, squatters, anarchists, and he are the equivalent of victims of the Nazi regime.
Guess what, moron... THESE PEOPLE AREN'T BEING KILLED FOR THEIR BELIEFS.
Ugh, I'm too angry right now to go type anymore.
REMEMBER THE INTERNET RULE WHEN EVER YOU COMPARE AMERICA TO THE NAZI'S YOU HAVE LOST THE ARGUMENT.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:19:00am |
re: #15 MandyManners
I'm gonna' go out on a limb here and say that that's the best pun ever.
Wood you cut it out?
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yochanan Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:20:38am |
I am a Zionist, a Republican, a Jew, and a WOOD CARVER. I guess there is no hope for me from the left wonder what the re-education camps will look like?
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:20:56am |
re: #198 sjmiller
They should have just chopped down the tree with the morons in it.
Tim-berrrrrrrr!
/ow
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acidtrash Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:21:32am |
First they came for the tree sitters,
but I didnt speak out because I wasnt a tree sitter.
Then they came for the squatters
But I didn't speak out because I wasn't a squatter.
Then they came for the anarchists.
But I didnt speak out because I'm not an anarchist
Then they didn't come for me because I don't hate my species, my country, I have a job and pay taxes and my rent.
And then I did speak out because the british government seems to be doing everything it can to reverse it.... apart from paying my taxes that is.
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Summer Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:23:49am |
I just finished watching the video at Protestshooter and reading the Zombie report as well.
Ironically, it appears eminently clear that those trees contribute far more to society, living or dead, than those stupid protesters.
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Throbert McGee Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:28:02am |
re: #166 Tigger2005
When the Nazis came for the trade unionists, Communists, etc., they either killed them outright or sent them to stinking concentration camps and worked and starved them to death.
I wonder how many people who (over-)quote that Niemöller passage even know that "trade unionists" and "Communists" were among the victims listed in the original -- or rather, in the early versions, since it's difficult to confirm any particular version as THE original. "Gypsies" and "homosexuals" (or sometimes, a bit anachronistically, "the gays") are quite often substituted for unionists and Communists nowadays, despite not being included in any of the earlier, more "official" versions collected in the wikipedia entry.
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Nancy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:28:49am |
For some, I think being a protester is their mission in life.
all this time I take it none of these people worked. Which would have meant that someone or some group was paying for their food and other necessities and upkeep?
Doesn't that pretty much bring their "mission" down to a job? They were being subsidized to do it?
The sign is really offensive.
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mikalm Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:32:55am |
re: #225 Throbert McGee
I always liked the variant, popular in the wake of the War on Drugs, which went something like this:
First they came for the Sixth Amendment, and because I was not on trial, I said nothing.
Then they came for the Fifth Amendment, and because I had not been accused of a crime, I said nothing.
Then they came for the Fourth Amendment, and because I had nothing to hide, I said nothing.
Then they came for the Second Amendment, and because I owned no guns, I said nothing.
Then they came for the First Amendment -- and I could say nothing.
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Amy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:41:50am |
Lawhawk very eloquently said it for me, too.
The original Niemoller poem can be found here:
Wikipedia
Niemoller paid the price of his convictions; he was sent to Sachsenhausen and Dachau, which he survived.
Here's the original in German:
Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.
The translation is as follows:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
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Just Another Four-letter Word Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:42:12am |
re: #4 calvin coolidge
If you put lipstick on a tree, it's still a tree.
If you put a dipstick up a tree, they're still a dipstick...
JAFLW
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uptight Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:43:38am |
Never mind.
They can console themselves that the tree holocaust will generate loads of wood and paper.
Lefties need wood & paper.
They need it to make signs telling us that cutting down trees is like the industrialised murder of 6 million Jews.
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protestshooter Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:44:02am |
re: #226 Nancy
For some, I think being a protester is their mission in life.
all this time I take it none of these people worked. Which would have meant that someone or some group was paying for their food and other necessities and upkeep?
Doesn't that pretty much bring their "mission" down to a job? They were being subsidized to do it?
The sign is really offensive.
They usually refer to themselves as full time activists and there are many, many such people, along with "Community Organizers" and other variations.
There was a ton of donated food/water/supplies for the actual tree sitters. They were resupplied every Sunday at 2:00. The ground support people seem to vary - I think some have jobs and some don't. There's maybe one grad student in the bunch.
But as an example Dumpster Muffin had multiple warrants out for her for bail jumping on theft charges so she was just using the tree sit as a protected hideout.
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maulman Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:45:27am |
....When they came for me, we all partied like crazy because we finally were rid of all the f**kheads.
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godfrey Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:47:29am |
Since the birth of human agriculture, the best estimate is that humanity has lost maybe 20 percent of all original forest. Since WWII, this area has remained pretty constant. Tropical deforestation (Amazon basin) is around 0.46 per year, which is far from catastrophic. All the world's demand for paper can be satisfied permanently by the wood production of 5 percent of current forest cover -- and this forest is constantly being re-planted, i.e. farmed.
Moreover, the country with the world's largest forest cover is Russia, and it wasn't even included in the UN's global forest surveys in '95 and '97. I don't know what the current surveys show, but if they include Russia, the figures should be even better.
IIRC, the US is more forested now than it has ever been in recorded history. Most of its estimated 30% loss occurred in the 19th century. The big doubling of US farmland from 1880-1920 was conversion from grassland.
This issue is just demagogued by idiots like these tree-huggers. They haven't a clue.
Don't worry about "saving trees" at the photocopy machine. Do it if it makes you feel good, but spare the rest of us the superstitious nonsense.
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Throbert McGee Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:48:30am |
re: #141 Egfrow
Tree Sitter, Squatter, Anarchists. This infringes on others rights to control their property. Right, that sounds like shades of fascism? What a retarded attempt at moral equivalency.
Sheesh, you might want to read upthread -- several people have already pointed out that casual use of "retarded" (when you really mean "idiotic") is frowned on by many Lizards, although it's not forbidden.
Basically, if you're tempted to use "retard" or "retarded" in reference to stupid behavior by people of normal intelligence, you should think twice and thrice and ask yourself whether an alternative word like "stupid" or "moronic" or "jackass" would make the point just as well.
(And if you decide that "retard" is essential to making your point effectively, it doesn't hurt to close with a /satire tag or something, which at least alerts readers that you were aware of the controversy over this term.)
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godfrey Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:54:03am |
To include that particular population in the more general, broadened roster of "Nazi victims" is to deny the reason the gas chambers were built, and to say that those who went to the gas were "part of all humanity" when they went to the gas precisely because the world stood by silent as the process of excluding them from all humanity took root is to deny the very nature of the Holocaust itself.
I've never heard it put so clearly. Thanks, Buzz, that's a distinction worth remembering.
I've been interested in the Roma for several years now. They remember the Holocaust in their language as "the Devouring."
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Just Another Four-letter Word Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:57:27am |
re: #45 MandyManners
re: #28 sattv4u2
I'll LEAF that remark alone. I do know the leftists will blame BUSH, no matter what the ROOTS of the problem are
I'll knot try to keep up with you.
I OAK you two will quit trying to make ASHes of yourselves over this.
So there.
JAFLW
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godfrey Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:58:27am |
That JAFLW, always going against the grain ...
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Dainn Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:58:45am |
Another great narrative, Zombie.
I especially liked the pics of the other construction site with more trees chopped down that no one cared about. Do you ever get the feeling that people in Berkley just need to protest.
I wonder if they ever go out to San Fransisco International Airport to protest bad landings.
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Thunderbottom Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:00:05pm |
After viewing the photos of those two female protesters, "Dumpster Muffin" (how much you want to bet that she chose that moniker?) and "Marcella", I could almost smell the rank funk coming off those babes. The young UC/Berkeley patrolwoman as seen in "Protestshooter's" photos, on the other hand, was a stone fox in comparison; you could see the disdain she had for the protesters in her face.
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Amy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:00:54pm |
re: #237 buzzsawmonkey
I am so glad you said that. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told: "Yeah, so? A lot of people died in the Second World War; millions of Russians alone died. That's what happens in a war, so why are the Jews so special?"
Trade unionists and communists and other non-Jewish/non-Gypsy dissenters were sent to camps as a punishment. Many died of disease and starvation and overwork, but, as you said, that was not the primary purpose of these camps.
Able-bodied Jews may have been forced to provide slave labor for a time, but it was the Nazis' intention that every one of them be eventually killed when no further use could be made of them. Not a single Jew was supposed to make it out of Hitler's hell alive.
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Just Another Four-letter Word Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:01:16pm |
re: #240 godfrey
That JAFLW, always going against the grain ...
WOOD you keep that quiet, please?
JAFLW
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Throbert McGee Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:01:40pm |
Hmmm... the zombietime report mentions "one [tree] was to be transplanted elsewhere."
Is this a tree that actually WAS "old growth"? If I recall some of the earlier stories correctly, the tree-sitters often described the entire grove of trees as "ancient," when in fact nearly all of the trees were less than a century old.
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shrike Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:05:03pm |
re: #44 yma o hyd
They are even closer than you think - 'love of trees' seems to be deeply ingrained in the 'true' German/Aryan folk memory. See this: Yggdrasil.
Also the name of the tree-space ship in Dan Simmons' Hyperion series
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Thunderbottom Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:09:05pm |
re: #179 Dave the.....
As a business major, I would often laugh at some of the nutjobs that get positions on History and Political Science departments. Of course there are some very good professors in our college's history depts. But some of the wacko's.....it's amazing. Would never happen in a hard science.
Oh, I don't know about that! I've heard of professors in the hard sciences who were highly accomplished in their fields and yet were lefty, raving moonbats, politically (why has a place like MIT had someone like Noam Chomsky teaching there for so many years? And why are there so more many Obama supporters in the Silicon Valley - do they think that the Obamamessiah is gonna give them lots of government research grants?
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markie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:11:48pm |
I didn't know there were any forests left in Berkley.
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sojerofgod Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:13:21pm |
were they Trufula trees?
I need a thneed, my last one was wearing thin, so I made it into soup.
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mattm Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:14:39pm |
It would be ashamed if they had to do actual work.
/sarc
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Gretchen Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:24:10pm |
What I learned today - moonbats live in trees.
Isn't it a bit Orwellian that the President who has stripped the rights from tree-sitters is named Bush?
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Ezekiel2517 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:25:38pm |
They came for me first,
So there was no one left to paraphrase this hackneyed quote.
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protestshooter Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:26:02pm |
re: #246 Throbert McGee
Hmmm... the zombietime report mentions "one [tree] was to be transplanted elsewhere."
Is this a tree that actually WAS "old growth"? If I recall some of the earlier stories correctly, the tree-sitters often described the entire grove of trees as "ancient," when in fact nearly all of the trees were less than a century old.
It's a youngish redwood (post 1920), which I guess transplant OK. There were four "old growth" trees (in this context, older than 1920) - I think one bay, one redwood, and two oaks, but the redwood was too big to move and there's no point in saving a bay tree (common as dirt and they don't live much longer than that) and oaks don't transplant well, at least not at that size.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:26:57pm |
re: #186 ROPMA
I HAVE REVIEWED THE VIDEO SEVERAL TIMES !
After several mathematical calculations have determined what went wrong with this poor "saps" stunt!
A. It was improper use of TALC!
B. Or,Insuring that the Chinese gene pool is rid of stupid stunt persons!
Now! Enough of this nonsense!
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J.S. Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:26:58pm |
re: #248 Thunderbottom
Noam Chomsky is not in the "hard sciences" -- he was in the Dept. of Linguistics and Philosophy. (that's in the "humanities" -- not the "hard" or "natural sciences.") Here's how academic disciplines are classified. Note, linguistics falls under the Humanities category.
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Querent Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:41:54pm |
re: #44 yma o hyd
They are even closer than you think - 'love of trees' seems to be deeply ingrained in the 'true' German/Aryan folk memory. See this: Yggdrasil.
okay... since Odinist bailed after the first round in the GoV Troubles, this makes me LGF's only resident Norse Pagan, so i simply must step in here. And i do raise seedling trees.
Yggdrasil's a metaphor.
And tree-sitters are 9 whole extra-planar levels of wierd.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:43:21pm |
Meanwhile, here's something that no one else has reported on: On the opposite side of campus, the university is building a completely unrelated structure, and the work crews there have cut down twice as many trees as were cut down at the stadium project -- but nobody cared! Or even noticed!
Gee, maybe because the other building isn't an athletic facility?
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protestshooter Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:44:25pm |
re: #243 Thunderbottom
After viewing the photos of those two female protesters, "Dumpster Muffin" (how much you want to bet that she chose that moniker?) and "Marcella", I could almost smell the rank funk coming off those babes. The young UC/Berkeley patrolwoman as seen in "Protestshooter's" photos, on the other hand, was a stone fox in comparison; you could see the disdain she had for the protesters in her face.
I like slipping in shots of the police where possible because it humanizes them a bit - they're people, after all, and the protesters want us all to forget that, and Lord knows the media never shows it. And quite a few of them are photogenic in one way or another. It's also very interesting to me to see them hanging out and being kind of bored and vaguely friendly to all who go by, and basically slacking, and then something will happen and in an instant the facade's down and they're working as a team, getting the job done and protecting their own.
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Shane Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:54:54pm |
Crazy workers, you don't have to build scaffolding to get to the top of the tree: You need a chain saw to get the top of the tree to the ground.
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LGF Widower Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:57:15pm |
I've come to an inescapable conclusion. These tree-sitters must have been Toons. No human would think it's a good idea to sit in a tree for a couple years, and then dance afterward. The police should have threatened them with Judge Doom's "dip". That would have ended the standoff a lot earlier.
On the other hand, this whole debacle has been some of the best news entertainment in a while...
LGF Widower
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Shane Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:59:30pm |
There is a chance that many of these protestors see the trees as equals. I find this repulsive. I would have one of those trees in my yard.
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pdquig Wed, Sep 10, 2008 12:59:37pm |
Let's see now.
Tree-sitters. Got it.
Squatters. Got it.
Anarchists. Got it.
Code Pink. Need it.
ANSWER. Need it.
ACORN. Need it.
NAMBLA. Need it.
ACLU. Need it.
We've got a long way to go, but it looks like we're off to a damned fine start.
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Kefirah Wed, Sep 10, 2008 1:31:29pm |
re: #237 buzzsawmonkey
tears to my eyes. thank you for that.
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Ceemack Wed, Sep 10, 2008 1:37:04pm |
Do you suppose anybody told the tree-huggers that they could just plant another one someplace else, and it could grow up to be as big and strong and huggable as the one they were sitting in?
Sure, it would take a while, but nature works on a long schedule. After all, that tree they were sitting in was once a sapling.
Oh, wait, they're liberals...they think history started yesterday and ends today.
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Mr Spiffy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 2:07:04pm |
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 2:13:02pm |
re: #242 Dainn
Another great narrative, Zombie.
I especially liked the pics of the other construction site with more trees chopped down that no one cared about. Do you ever get the feeling that people in Berkley just need to protest.
I wonder if they ever go out to San Fransisco International Airport to protest bad landings.
I know you were kidding, but that actually happened, sort of: Environmentalists protested for years against expansion of the SF Airport -- which needed new runways to prevent that very thing: bad landings. So what happened was the moonbats ended up protesting against good landings. (The protest eventually came up short, as I remember, and the runways were lengthened -- though I could be wrong about that.)
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Bagua Wed, Sep 10, 2008 2:25:53pm |
re: #22 Honorary Yooper
Who the heck names their kid "Dumpster"?
The self styled “Forest Defenders” use made up names to avoid prosecution and “counter-protest” by loggers and such. (So I was told by a member.)
Also, if your scampering about the woods barefoot with a bag of granola and a jar of buds you’re also way cooler if your name is “tree frog.”
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 2:28:55pm |
re: #246 Throbert McGee
Hmmm... the zombietime report mentions "one [tree] was to be transplanted elsewhere."
Is this a tree that actually WAS "old growth"? If I recall some of the earlier stories correctly, the tree-sitters often described the entire grove of trees as "ancient," when in fact nearly all of the trees were less than a century old.
Almost all the trees were planted as decorative landscaping by campus gardeners when the stadium was built in 1923. Which would make the trees all 85 years old (except for a few that sprouted naturally in the following years). I think there was a tiny handful of "old growth oaks" on the site -- two or three, if I recall. Though they weren't very big. "Old growth" only means they were already there when the stadium was built, not that they were necessarily ancient. One of the old growth trees was spared, and the other (estimated to be 200 years old max) was cut down. C'est la vie. One pre-existing tree was cut down. It all ridiculous because most oak trees in California have been killed by a naturally occurred oak disease in the last few decades, and countless thousands more old-growth oaks were fell on purpose in an attempt to stop the disease.
But really, they were just landscaping trees. And, considering that the campus mostly dates from the 1870s, they were among the youngest trees on campus. Plus, the university is re-planting two trees for every one they cut down. A net gain.
Long ago, there were old-growth redwoods in the Berkeley Hills, but they were all felled long before the campus was founded, to use for wood to build the houses of the East Bay. It's not like the stadium was built on pristine wilderness -- the entire area had been clear-cut decades earlier.
The entire issue is completely absurd, and everyone involved knows it.
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 2:30:29pm |
re: #249 markie
I didn't know there were any forests left in Berkley.
Actually, Berkeley was rated as the "greenest" big city in America, in that it has more trees per square mile than any city over 100,000 people. So, in a sense, the whole place is a forest.
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 2:31:10pm |
re: #253 Ezekiel2517
They came for me first,
So there was no one left to paraphrase this hackneyed quote.
Zing!
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 2:33:56pm |
re: #254 protestshooter
It's a youngish redwood (post 1920), which I guess transplant OK. There were four "old growth" trees (in this context, older than 1920) - I think one bay, one redwood, and two oaks, but the redwood was too big to move and there's no point in saving a bay tree (common as dirt and they don't live much longer than that) and oaks don't transplant well, at least not at that size.
That's right, two old-growth oaks. The other two trees hardly count -- no one cares about bay trees, and redwoods don't really start to count as "old growth" until they're 1,500 years old. A 100-200 year-old redwood tree is still a veritable baby sprout.
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Emery Calame Wed, Sep 10, 2008 3:02:36pm |
If the treesitters, squatters, and anarchists were "come for" and presumably charged, tried, fined or jailed for a while and then released....WELL WHO GIVES A FIG? They are still alive! They are still able to do whatever including complain about it!
Niemoller was NOT writiting about people being arrested by local cops for violated local ordinances. He was writing about people being beaten, tortured, deported and KILLED usually WITHOUT a trial.
You might as well write:
First they came for the people who threw a jar of piss on a free trade supporter and I didn't object because I wasn't a urine tosser.
Next they came for the window smashers and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a window smasher. Then they came for the people planning to throw molotov cocktails at cops and I said nothing because I am not a violent would be police arsonist. Then they came for me* because there was no one left to fight.... And I might be stuck in here until monday. Boohoohoo.
*probably because I chained myself to a public building entryway with a giant puppet and told the man to go #@$% himself and wouldn't put my pants back on.
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FIVEOFNINE Wed, Sep 10, 2008 3:17:59pm |
re: #50 maddogg
The LLL only worries about the loons and nuts being taken off the street. Freedom loving conservatives are "enemies of the state" and therefore must be dealt with. People who live in trees and crap their pants are not a problem.
LLL knows that once Obama the messiah becomes President, he will send all these "enemies of the state", that is the freedom loving conservatives to the Gulag. Count on it.
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kevinmumaw Wed, Sep 10, 2008 4:33:18pm |
When they came for me there was no one left to fight.
That's because whoever made this sign is likely a member of the first three groups of losers nobody cares about.
PS, remember how Hitler rounded up all those tree-sitters in Munich? Yeah, just like 1938 Germany. Drama Queens.
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phoenixgirl Wed, Sep 10, 2008 4:51:13pm |
i think they are only coming after the tree sitters the squatters and the anarchists so you really don't need to worry.
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Dotcoman Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:05pm |
As always nice job Zombie.
Oh and F*** Lenard Pelter! That racist "community organizing" FBI agent murdering bastard that he is. I hope he gets buggered every day in prison.
Certainly ruined my young life. All of those AIM guys can eat buffalo shiite and go to hell.
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HBob Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:58:57pm |
First they came for the assholes and I didn't say anything, because I'm not an asshole.
Then they came for the dumb-asses, and I didn't say anything because I'm not a dumb-ass.
Then they came for the smart-asses and I said "Here I am". We had a beer. It was nice without all the assholes and dumb-asses.
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Wookieelips Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:46:30pm |
So...
The tree-sitters, squatters and anarchists were arrested and put in camps?
O.o
Oh, they were told to go home?
Shades of Germany cir. 1938 alright!
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American Sabra Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:07:55pm |
re: #271 zombie
...Plus, the university is re-planting two trees for every one they cut down. A net gain....
I was going to say... if the protesters REALLY have the environment in mind and want to be constructive (as opposed to media whores) they'd go out and plant their own trees instead of swinging at windmills. Two for every one taken sounds good to me.
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Timbre Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:10:05pm |
Yes, anarchists (no capital "A" from me) we should just let you be so you can continue making Molotov cocktails to throw at law enforcement and bombing anyone (civilians, too) who happens to get in your way! Why don't you all just "direct action" to Hell and stay there!
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DrCruel Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:20:28pm |
... when they came for me, I immediately took the job, as I so loved their handiwork thus far ...
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Throbert McGee Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:42:44pm |
re: #270 Bagua
Also, if your scampering about the woods barefoot with a bag of granola and a jar of buds you’re also way cooler if your name is “tree frog.”
If you've got a whole jar of buds (and you're willing to share), your name could be "Nerdbert Q. Lipschitz" and everyone would still think you're cool.
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Ledger1 Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:07:19am |
re: #42 Morganfrost
“…police start actually enforcing the laws and requiring people to stop trespassing, defecating in public, and causing a health hazard…” – Morganfrost
My lasting impression of the DNC convention was urine bags and Code Pink wackos inciting violence.
The left stinks.
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eaglewingz08 Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:34:28am |
Oh Dang! Next the government will go after illegal aliens in the USA. (Just kidding). How dare the government and university enforce the laws! How fascist, law and order is you know. Maybe we can establish a tree sanctuary where all these nutters can live in the trees and defecate into baggies to their hearts content separated from civilized society.
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