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Large Hadron Collider Tests A-OK

Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:21:40 pm PDT

Oh, by the way, they fired up the Large Hadron Collider over there in Switzerfrance this morning, and the world didn’t end! CERN Press Release – First beam in the LHC.

This was just a quick test, to show that the particle beams can be focused, shot around that 17-mile wheel of karma, and smashed into each other head-on at 99.9% light speed. We could still see the formation of a super-massive tiny black hole that would suck in the entire Milky Way galaxy in one cataclysmic nanosecond, next time they fire it up.

So we have that to look forward to.

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1 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:05pm

Impending black hole!

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:17pm

The Hadron Collider has more focus than the 0bama campaign.

3 stuiec  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:25pm

Gee, I hope they don't create a new universe with that thing. Because in a few billion years, there will be all these weird creatures debating whether there is a Large Hadron Collider....

4 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:27pm

It'll all end in tears.

Or in really cool subatomic physics stuff.

5 Zombie_Killian  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:30pm

Well, nice knowing all of you.

Wait- what now?

6 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:42pm

I was so looking forward to the ride into a black hole.

7 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:24:21pm

Well here's the good thing about uncontrolled black hole creation.

When it happens, it happens so fast you'll never kno

8 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:24:24pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

The Hadron Collider has more focus than the 0bama campaign.

But an Obama Presidency will foc us.

9 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:25:50pm

OMG OMG OMG
We're all gonna die!
Vote for Obama!

/moonbat

10 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:25:58pm

On the other hand, we wouldn't get to hear gems like from Joe Biden today. That would be real sad. How long before Obama wishes a black hole or stringlet or other exotic particle reaches out and grabs Biden and draws him into the 8th dimension?

11 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:26:17pm

Black hole, the movie.

12 krypto  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:26:33pm

I was kind of hoping that I'd wake up to find we'd fallen through the black hole into an alternate reality, one where I'm fantastically rich and Hillary instead of Obama is the candidate for President.

13 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:27:23pm

How do we know that something didn't happen? Maybe they got a black hole and we have all flipped into an alternate universe.

I'm sure the socks I put on this morning were black, not blue. And someone who looks like Madonna is sleeping in my bed.

This is a job for Coast to Coast!

14 Three Hundred  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:27:41pm

The Big Bang could have been an alien physics experiment gone horribly, horribly wrong. Maybe this time we are the aliens...

15 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:27:57pm

re: #6 jcm

I was so looking forward to the ride into a black hole.

RACIST!

/couldn't resist...

16 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:05pm

wheel of karma - black holes.
bring it on.

17 Dekar  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:12pm

What happens if you smash a Chuck Norris into a proton?

18 LEGION  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:27pm

re: #12 krypto

I was kind of hoping that I'd wake up to find we'd fallen through the black hole into an alternate reality, one where I'm fantastically rich and Hillarya normal patriotic decent democrat instead of Obama is the candidate for President.

Fixed it.

19 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:52pm

re: #10 lawhawk


How long before Obama wishes a black hole or stringlet or other exotic particle reaches out and grabs Biden and draws him into the 8th dimension?

He was exiled from there.

20 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:57pm

re: #15 goddessoftheclassroom

RACIST!

/couldn't resist...

ROFL!

21 BignJames  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:58pm

Used to play basketball w/a guy we called "the black hole"....if you passed him the ball, you'd never see it again.

22 Egfrow  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:29:45pm

Has anyone considered the possibility that they Indeed fired up the Collider and have indeed opened up a Black Hole and swallowed us all into it. Are are all now in another dimension. While the real world has been skewed to another time line. This would explain all the recent events we have experienced in the last few days. The Republicans are winning popular opinion, The Messiah is falling apart, The News Media has lost is power over people's thinking, We have a women VP who is being attacked by the entire planet and winning. The CERN collider has indeed ripped us into a New Dimension.

23 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:29:59pm

The Luddites are freaking out.....
MIT physicist gets death threats over collider experiment

24 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:30:20pm

re: #1 Outrider

Impending black hole!

Racist!

25 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:30:29pm

It'll be a month before they do any collisions.

/Don't celebrate our survival, yet.

(Besides, I'm still trying to get my arms around how a micro Black Hole can stay collapsed... not enough mass, based on my HS physics and astronomy studies... love to know more about that, any lizards up on that stuff?)

26 nightintheruts  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:30:32pm

so we could all disappear in a nanosecond and the Swiss would be to blame?

or we could float on a puff until some elephant far far away would hear and protect us?

what a long strange trip we're on...

27 Gonzolives  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:31:25pm

So this means I don't have to worry about cutting the lawn again?
Shucks, I just had a new driveway put in, too...aggravating.

Where will all of you be and what will you be doing when the black holes does its' thing?

I'll be on my lounge chair with my dog and a container of Ben 'N Jerry's on my lap. May as well be with those who are important to you.

28 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:13pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

The Luddites are freaking out.....
MIT physicist gets death threats over collider experiment

Moron's their brains are already black holes.......

29 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:14pm

Haven't you heard, there was a Super-massive tiny black hole that formed. Its just that the gravitational forces of the black hole prevent CERN from releasing any information about it. Time has slowed to the point in that region that it will probabaly be 2532 AD before we hear anything about it.

30 Cicero05  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:14pm

I've been wondering what I'd see out my window if a black hole was formed and began growing as it sucked in all the surrounding matter. I'm thinking noisy, but quick.

By the way, anyone know how long they need to find (or not find) a Higgs boson? Days? Weeks? Years?

31 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:15pm

i'm scared of black holes.
they have a huge appetite.
omnivores.

32 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:32pm

I think the collider is way cool!

There was this special on Discovery Channel, I think, last night that explained it in laymans terms. Excellent show.

I can't wait to hear what the results are!

33 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:33pm

Still one has to wonder if some of the more esoteric experiments with unknown and possibly catastrophic results would be better performed some place else, like outer space or something like that. Of course a black hole would probably destroy our solar system so anywhere within our system is off limits and we cannot perform these experiments extra-solar due to technology and financial constraints. I personally do not trust scientists after they all mostly bought into global warming!

34 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:37pm

I knew they were smashin' particles, dag nabbit... My knees got ta achin' an that's a sure sign!

Seriously, during the high energy tests planned for October, they could create a miniature black hole (or several of them). If they take hold of the matter stream from our universe, it will start with the Earth, and then everything in our universe... EVERYTHING will be engulfed by the horrendous gravitational pull. Stars will collapse, cats and dogs... living together...

...and I still think Obama would lose the election. ;)

35 maddogg  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:42pm

I'd hate to see France get into a sucking contest with a black hole.

36 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:45pm

Screw it, I'm buying that 2009 Event planner tomorrow.

37 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:45pm

Oh, remember its the tidal forces of the Black Hole that will get you, not just the extreme gravity.

So, when you get sucked into one, go in head first, that way you won't have to enjoy your feet getting ripped off.

/Just sayin'

38 goofeeem  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:51pm

Gee I wonder if gas prices will go up because of this too.......

39 USA  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:05pm

re: #10 lawhawk

On the other hand, we wouldn't get to hear gems like from Joe Biden today. That would be real sad. How long before Obama wishes a black hole or stringlet or other exotic particle reaches out and grabs Biden and draws him into the 8th dimension?

Wow! 0bama must be ready to pull Biden's plugs out! Dems are in meltdown.

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:14pm

Brian Cox: Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a twat.

/Scientific jargon

41 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:16pm

THEY MOVED THE ISLAND!

42 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:17pm

"Curse-a-you, Banzai!"

43 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:20pm

OMG - the Obama campaign just said the Hadron Collider is racist.

44 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:25pm
...and the world didn’t end


Guess I can't hold off paying that credit card bill any longer...

45 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:59pm

re: #36 rawmuse

Screw it, I'm buying that 2009 Event planner tomorrow.


YAY!

46 maddogg  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:34:02pm

re: #36 rawmuse

Screw it, I'm buying that 2009 Event planner tomorrow.

Your good to go............til Dec. 23, 2012 that is.

47 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:34:20pm

Remember, the Manhattan Project folks were running side bets on whether the atmosphere would burn off or not?

48 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:35:30pm

Seriously, there's no way they can physically engineer this thing to contain the intended aftermath of sub-sub-particles traveling at near light speed in random directions, they're too small and they'll travel through solid matter like a knife through butter.

I hope they get nice "photographs".

/not saying it'll be the end of the Earth, I just wouldn't want to be standing anywhere near it when they get it up to full speed collisions

49 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:35:37pm

re: #25 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

All of the particles they generate are very short lived (A billionth of a second or so). Anything they generate will be incredibly tiny and short lived.

50 bushleague  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:36:01pm

The NY times has the Typo Of the Year

"Large Hardon Collider"

(OK a bit dated but still hilarious)

51 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:36:18pm

re: #24 rawmuse

Okay... to be PC about it... it's a sphere of indeterminate shape and size, but extraordinary mass that will consume all particles within the event horizon.

/damn... some spheroid will find that offensive. or maybe the extraordinarily massed.

52 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:36:33pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Brian Cox: Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a twat.

/Scientific jargon

Pfft, we get sucked into, and pop out the other side. Happens all the time, some things get lost in the process. At least that how I explain it when I can't find the �^$% car keys.

53 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:37:05pm

re: #50 bushleague
Wife says that most every night. Whats the problem?


/but not really

54 flyovercountry  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:37:05pm

Not to mention, Gravity is a function of mass, and nothing more. A Black hole with the mass of a proton, has the same gravitational effect as a proton. A black Hole with the mass of a bowling ball, has the same gravitational effect as a bowling ball. Not all science experiments are bound to destroy the world

55 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:37:21pm

re: #48 Killian Bundy

This is just a cover story should something go wrong.

56 Cicero05  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:38:36pm

re: #47 unclassifiable

Remember, the Manhattan Project folks were running side bets on whether the atmosphere would burn off or not?

Always nice to know that the mad scientists are thinking about us.

57 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:38:43pm

re: #47 unclassifiable

Remember, the Manhattan Project folks were running side bets on whether the atmosphere would burn off or not?

Yep, and they were dead serious! They didn't think it would get hot enough to burn the atmosphere, but they didn't know. Later they found out just how hard it was to produce a fusion weapon, and to this day, fusion power technology has not been perfected.

58 krypto  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:38:58pm

re: #6 jcm

I was so looking forward to the ride into a black hole.

re: #15 goddessoftheclassroom

RACIST!

/couldn't resist...

Absolutely!

"Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price is sticking to his comments that the term "black hole," which a colleague used, is racist."
see [Link: www.townhall.com...]

59 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:39:40pm

re: #54 flyovercountry

Not to mention, Gravity is a function of mass, and nothing more. A Black hole with the mass of a proton, has the same gravitational effect as a proton. A black Hole with the mass of a bowling ball, has the same gravitational effect as a bowling ball. Not all science experiments are bound to destroy the world

But getting sucked in is much more sensational. Do go ruining all the excitement with you little "facts."
/

60 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:40:19pm

Rerun of the catchiest technical explanation ever.

61 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:40:35pm

re: #15 goddessoftheclassroom

RACIST!

/couldn't resist...


hey goddess.. i got a funny teacher story for you..still around?

62 Macker  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:40:42pm

Hey bopone, why the downding?

63 joncelli  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:41:06pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Actually we were all destroyed but BushCoHalliburton is covering it up! Like, OMG! Impeach!

64 jones  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:41:28pm

BOOM!


Ha ha, just fooling moonbats.

65 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:41:47pm

Subtext: Adolescent males attempt to convince girls that it is the 'End of the World' and well......
/same subtext fits everywhere

66 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:41:57pm

re: #54 flyovercountry

Not to mention, Gravity is a function of mass, and nothing more. A Black hole with the mass of a proton, has the same gravitational effect as a proton. A black Hole with the mass of a bowling ball, has the same gravitational effect as a bowling ball. Not all science experiments are bound to destroy the world

You are forgetting density.

67 JeremyR  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:42:02pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

All of the particles they generate are very short lived (A billionth of a second or so). Anything they generate will be incredibly tiny and short lived.

Like a democrat campaign promise seen in slow mo.

68 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:42:55pm

If we don't get done in by a physical singularity, I'm unleasing superior artificial intelligence to spawn a technological singularity so I don't ever have to hear Randi Rhodes open her piehole ever again.

69 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:43:51pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

All of the particles they generate are very short lived (A billionth of a second or so). Anything they generate will be incredibly tiny and short lived.

For all the bizzaro particles, sure, but some micro-blackhole wouldn't have a shelf life like some sort of freak Muon. Right?

Sure, it's a point, with the gravitational pull of a proton ... and it will take years for another particle to get close enough to get sucked in (assuming such a thing can happen... making it have the gravitational pull of two protons.)

Like I said... a black hole that small doesn't make sense to me. Can it fall apart like those freak particles?

70 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:44:07pm
You are forgetting density.

No name for name calling. heh

71 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:44:19pm

What's the carbon footprint of a large hadron anyway?

72 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:45:10pm

...or, no "need" for name calling.
(I'm painting over here... it's the fumes.)

73 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:45:11pm

OT
Realclear poll results for Wednesday and Thursday:

Thursday, September 11
Race Poll Results Spread
Alaska Rasmussen McCain 64, Obama 33 McCain +31
New Mexico Rasmussen Obama 47, McCain 49 McCain +2
Michigan CNN/Time Obama 49, McCain 45 Obama +4
Virginia CNN/Time McCain 50, Obama 46 McCain +4
Missouri CNN/Time McCain 50, Obama 45 McCain +5
New Hampshire CNN/Time Obama 51, McCain 45 Obama +6
Wednesday, September 10
Race Poll Results Spread
North Carolina PPP (D) McCain 48, Obama 44 McCain +4
National FOX News McCain 45, Obama 42 McCain +3
Montana Rasmussen McCain 53, Obama 42 McCain +11
National Gallup Tracking McCain 48, Obama 43 McCain +5
National Hotline/FD Tracking McCain 45, Obama 45 Tie
National Rasmussen Tracking McCain 47, Obama 48 Obama +1
National NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl McCain 45, Obama 46 Obama +1
North Carolina SurveyUSA McCain 58, Obama 38 McCain +20
Pennsylvania Strategic Vision (R) Obama 47, McCain 45 Obama +2
New Jersey Fairleigh Dickinson Obama 47, McCain 41 Obama +6

Note: New Mexicao shading towards McCain, Michigan and Pennsylvania within strike range and New Jersey possibly in play.

74 joncelli  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:45:18pm

re: #71 itellu3times

Depends on whether they drive little tiny Hummers.

75 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:45:47pm

re: #57 LoFlyer

Yeah but one of the one's on the side bet losers was Edwin Teller -- one of the principal designers of the H-bomb.

I always thought that must of been one hell of a science experiment to witness -- probably the most spectacular in history.

Imagine. You don't know if it will really work. And you don't know what it will do if it does and BOOM!

...you're still alive.

76 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:45:51pm

re: #30 Cicero05

I've been wondering what I'd see out my window if a black hole was formed and began growing as it sucked in all the surrounding matter. I'm thinking noisy, but quick.

By the way, anyone know how long they need to find (or not find) a Higgs boson? Days? Weeks? Years?

I think their estimated target date range is something like 7-15 years, but don't quote me on that.

77 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:14pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

Rerun of the catchiest technical explanation ever.

Cool vid, and I am not into rap!

78 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:21pm

re: #71 itellu3times

A largish earthquake in say, Iran......

79 Luigi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:34pm
We could still see the formation of a super-massive tiny black hole that would suck in the entire Milky Way galaxy in one cataclysmic nanosecond, next time they fire it up.

Rules clearly state whoever's ahead at that point wins the election.

80 mattm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:51pm

At least we would not to have to worry about global warming.

81 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:55pm

re: #69 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Like I said... a black hole that small doesn't make sense to me. Can it fall apart like those freak particles?

Supposed to be possible, but something that small should eat a few rocks and then explode.

Seems very (, very ...) unlikely even something like that could be created here.

82 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:56pm

re: #65 lifeofthemind

Subtext: Adolescent males attempt to convince girls that it is the 'End of the World' and well......
/same subtext fits everywhere

Ah yes, I remember my high school homecoming queen, sublime of grace and beauty. I cultivated a picture of the two of us in a bomb shelter. Thing was, this was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and so the fancy did not seem so implausible.

83 wiffersnapper  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:56pm

Just skimming the headline I swear it said "Large Hardon Collider." :(

84 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:05pm

re: #58 krypto

Absolutely!

"Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price is sticking to his comments that the term "black hole," which a colleague used, is racist."
see [Link: www.townhall.com...]

So is picnic, niggardly, and computer master and slave hardware.

85 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:17pm

re: #68 Son Of The Godfather

If we don't get done in by a physical singularity, I'm unleasing superior artificial intelligence to spawn a technological singularity so I don't ever have to hear Randi Rhodes open her piehole ever again.

The Atomic Booze Bomb?

86 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:25pm

I prefer to call it the Large Hardon Collider.

/Saw that in a rag.

87 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:29pm

I hope the last words one of the scientists says as they flip on the collider is "Here, hold mah beer. Watch this!..." ;)

88 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:41pm

re: #73 lifeofthemind

New Mexico Rasmussen Obama 47, McCain 49 McCain +2

YES!1! Take that, Bill Richardson!

89 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:42pm

re: #78 tradewind

A largish earthquake in say, Iran......

oops, ...

... do it again!

90 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:45pm

re: #68 Son Of The Godfather

If we don't get done in by a physical singularity, I'm unleasing superior artificial intelligence to spawn a technological singularity so I don't ever have to hear Randi Rhodes open her piehole ever again.

ok i dinged you up..and i laughed..but i have heard all about randi but have never heard her..free speech is a beautiful thing..My son serves in the Marines and a tour of Iraq to give us free speech..tree squatters, moonbats and the like...americans are amazing people aren't they?
/did you see the history channel show on the collider last night? amazing!

91 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:48:19pm

re: #47 unclassifiable

Remember, the Manhattan Project folks were running side bets on whether the atmosphere would burn off or not?

That was Edward Teller's idea of a joke, IIRC.

92 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:48:42pm

re: #85 unclassifiable

She's been off the air a while, hasn't she?
Just one of those small blessings.

93 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:48:54pm

re: #7 unclassifiable

Well here's the good thing about uncontrolled black hole creation.

When it happens, it happens so fast you'll never kno

I wonder where that lizard used to live.

94 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:48:57pm

re: #83 wiffersnapper

Just skimming the headline I swear it said "Large Hardon Collider." :(

Was it at the Folsom St. Fair?

95 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:49:10pm

I'm getting a picture of this acting like that oversized worm in the movie "Dune". You know, sucking stuff right out of the sand.

Like that.

/channeling TFK

96 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:49:41pm

re: #90 HoosierHoops


Yup, it was pretty freakin' awesome.

97 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:49:56pm

re: #77 LoFlyer

Cool vid, and I am not into rap!

Me neither, and I love that thing!

98 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:49:57pm

I wonder if the super-duper collider thingy is responsible for the fact that within the span of a week, this election has gone from the libs taking bets on when McCain would dump Palin from the ticket to everyone else wondering when Obama will dump Biden from the ticket.

This is an absolutely astonishing election - a rating of 10 boxes on the popcorn meter.

99 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:49:59pm

re: #94 rawmuse

Was it at the Folsom St. Fair?

/LOL!

100 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:50:14pm

This is all gonna be over shortly. The Galactic Mr. Wizard Club will show up and tell the boys to quit playing with their toy, it is fouling up some serious experiments being carried out elsewhere. like Tau Ceti, Betelguese, etc...

101 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:50:19pm

re: #81 itellu3times

Supposed to be possible, but something that small should eat a few rocks and then explode.

Seems very (, very ...) unlikely even something like that could be created here.

Especially since colliders were designed to break things apart, too much energy to fuse them together.

Talk about your bulls-eye. :-)

/Anybody know of any good things to read on the theoretical physics of micro-black holes?

102 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:50:49pm

Aha, I see on Drudge that Obama on Letterman has esplained hisself:

Obama On Letterman: 'McCain Policy Is The Pig'

I feel so much better now, how about you?

/lipstick on a sarc

103 JeremyR  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:51:27pm

re: #94 rawmuse

Was it at the Folsom St. Fair?

Upding? Down ding? can't decide, disgusting in a funny way.

104 ludwigvanquixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:51:31pm

Just a physics perspective... from an actual physicist - who used to work in particle theory...

The possibility of tiny black holes is very remote. If they did form, they would have no more than a few TeV mass. This is because we are only dealing with TeV beams. The kind of black holes that you might think of from movies would be on the order of 10^30 times more massive.

What this means is that they could not possibly be any threat because of Hawking Radiation.

Black holes radiate. The smaller they are the faster they radiate. Something this tiny would evaporate almost instantaneously.

This is what happens when the MSM is looking for something sensational to write about without bothering to check the physics first. It is all Bullsh!t of the worst sort.

105 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:51:57pm

re: #82 ContraJihadi

Ah yes, I remember my high school homecoming queen, sublime of grace and beauty. I cultivated a picture of the two of us in a bomb shelter. Thing was, this was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and so the fancy did not seem so implausible.


If you were really good you would have gotten her to inspect the shelter and arranged for a friend to rig a fake new broadcast to convince her that it was for a Soviet attack and it would be her duty to ensure the survival of the human species.

106 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:05pm

re: #78 tradewind

A largish earthquake in say, Iran......

Magnitude
6.1
Date-Time
Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 11:00:35 UTC
Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 02:30:35 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location
26.862°N, 55.801°E
Depth
15 km (9.3 miles) set by location program
Region
SOUTHERN IRAN
Distances
60 km (35 miles) SW of Bandar-e Abbas, Iran
85 km (50 miles) NNW of Al Khasab, Oman
120 km (75 miles) N of Ra's al Khaymah, United Arab Emirates
1065 km (660 miles) SSE of TEHRAN, Iran
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 5.2 km (3.2 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters
NST=138, Nph=138, Dmin=69.9 km, Rmss=1.09 sec, Gp= 36°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=A
Source
USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID
us2008wua9

107 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:15pm

re: #94 rawmuse

Was it at the Folsom St. Fair?

Why, Rawmuse, I didn't know you were such a wag.

108 ludwigvanquixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:25pm

re: #76 really grumpy big dog Johnson

We could have found it ten years ago if not for the foolishness of congress and the politics of DC when the SSC got scuttled.

109 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:34pm

re: #102 itellu3times

To paraphrase an Obama quote: He must think we're stupid.

110 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:45pm

Where is the update showing NM as McCain lead? I just looked at RealClear than they still show Obama up by 2.3% in NM.

111 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:48pm

re: #102 itellu3times

Aha, I see on Drudge that Obama on Letterman has esplained hisself:

Obama On Letterman: 'McCain Policy Is The Pig'

I feel so much better now, how about you?

/lipstick on a sarc

Ultimate muslim slur.

112 Talking Stick  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:50pm

Powerful article by Jeff Lord in The Spectator about the trashing of Sarah Palin by liberal media elites - a must read!

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

113 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:51pm

re: #101 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Some mentioned a book (layman variety) on Physics - something akin to Physics for Dummies.

114 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:56pm

re: #101 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

/Anybody know of any good things to read on the theoretical physics of micro-black holes?

GIYF:
[Link: www.google.com...]

The wikipedia entry seems an OK place to start.

115 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:53:29pm

Let's open up the singularity, have it suck up all the global warming and all these "carbon footprints" I've yet to actually see, and close the sucker back up.

That way, the hippies won't have anything to bitch about...

And when the aliens from the dimension we sent our ca-ca to come to investigate, we give 'em Gore.

116 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:53:36pm

re: #84 jcm

So is picnic, niggardly, and computer master and slave hardware.


Do you know Plumbers order things according to whether they have "male" or "female" end fittings?

117 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:54:02pm

re: #105 lifeofthemind

If you were really good you would have gotten her to inspect the shelter and arranged for a friend to rig a fake new broadcast to convince her that it was for a Soviet attack and it would be her duty to ensure the survival of the human species.

Ah, Lifeofthemind, if only I had had you as a friend in those faraway days. What dreams could have come true!

118 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:54:23pm

re: #107 ContraJihadi

Why, Rawmuse, I didn't know you were such a wag.

I refer to them as huskers. You have your half-huskers, your full huskers, and then the husker and a half, maybe even a double husker.

119 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:54:49pm

re: #104 ludwigvanquixote

Just a physics perspective... from an actual physicist - who used to work in particle theory...

The possibility of tiny black holes is very remote. If they did form, they would have no more than a few TeV mass. This is because we are only dealing with TeV beams. The kind of black holes that you might think of from movies would be on the order of 10^30 times more massive.

What this means is that they could not possibly be any threat because of Hawking Radiation.

Black holes radiate. The smaller they are the faster they radiate. Something this tiny would evaporate almost instantaneously.

This is what happens when the MSM is looking for something sensational to write about without bothering to check the physics first. It is all Bullsh!t of the worst sort.

Excellent! That makes sense. The thing would vaporize due to the quantum properties of particles near their event horizon... now I'm ... oops, no I'm not.

Cool.

120 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:54:49pm

re: #50 bushleague

The NY times has the Typo Of the Year

"Large Hardon Collider"

(OK a bit dated but still hilarious)

Soon to be the title of a gay pr0n DVD video release.

121 jim in virginia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:03pm

I feel the earth move!
CNN breaking news, 6.6 earthquake in Indonesia, 7.2 in Japan. I blame the Hadron supercollider.

122 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:36pm

re: #72 Son Of The Godfather

...or, no "need" for name calling.
(I'm painting over here... it's the fumes.)

Sure, like we are going to buy that story

123 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:50pm

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]
Sorry if this has been linked before...

124 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:51pm

re: #61 HoosierHoops

hey goddess.. i got a funny teacher story for you..still around?

Yes, here I am!

125 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:52pm

OT, here is a my repost from the last thread as it was dying. I believe it has relevance in this years campaign:
"I am wondering if this long election cycle has run for the Democrats disadvantage. The American media has not helped the process one bit by anointing Obama as the "Chosen one" and refusing to ask even the simplest basic questions of his ideology and associates for the last 18 months whilst transforming themselves into attack pit-bulls when Palin is announced as McCain's running mate. Hillary would of won the Democrat nomination if the media had done its job professionally and ethically. They chose not to. The Democrats nominated a very weak, extremely liberal politician who cannot win if he reveals his true ideology and aspirations. The Republican's meanwhile have laid it on the line with McCain's heartfelt acceptance speech. Obama is in a death spiral and the media spin machine has the controls locked...."
One has to wonder if Hillary had been the Democrats candidate it would of totally nullified Palin as viable candidate. McCain is in the drivers seat and Obama is eating dust!

126 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:59pm

re: #22 Egfrow

Funny, but if we were sucked into a black hole we would die most gruesomely. The gravity is strong enough to not just rip you apart, not even just rip apart your atoms but rip apart the very nuclii of your atoms.

127 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:56:32pm

I think it's where some of the particles might go that is interesting...

"Where" may not even be the correct terminology.

128 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:56:36pm

re: #104 ludwigvanquixote

Just a physics perspective... from an actual physicist - who used to work in particle theory...

The possibility of tiny black holes is very remote. If they did form, they would have no more than a few TeV mass. This is because we are only dealing with TeV beams. The kind of black holes that you might think of from movies would be on the order of 10^30 times more massive.

What this means is that they could not possibly be any threat because of Hawking Radiation.

Black holes radiate. The smaller they are the faster they radiate. Something this tiny would evaporate almost instantaneously.

This is what happens when the MSM is looking for something sensational to write about without bothering to check the physics first. It is all Bullsh!t of the worst sort.

You are such a kill joy!
/ ;-

129 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:56:52pm

Thanks for the links, guys...

130 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:56:54pm

re: #106 jcm

Next one's up to the IDF....

131 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:57:00pm

re: #95 Cap'n DOC

Too much proper punctuation, capitalization, and not enough name homonyms.

(i think i said that right)

I like tfk. His writing makes you use parts of your brain you just do not use that often.

When I first started here I had to read his stuff two times.

In the middle of the second reading a big smile would develop on my face.

132 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:57:13pm

re: #122 saberry0530

Sure, like we are going to buy that story


My story, stickin' to it! heh

133 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:57:44pm

re: #21 BignJames

Used to play basketball w/a guy we called "the black hole"....if you passed him the ball, you'd never see it again.

RACIST!

//

134 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:58:04pm

re: #47 unclassifiable

Remember, the Manhattan Project folks were running side bets on whether the atmosphere would burn off or not?

I'm convinced that everyone who was on earth back then died, except I lived on because of my amazing imagination. I came up with the Dan Rather/Throb thing as well.

135 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:58:16pm

re: #108 ludwigvanquixote

We could have found it ten years ago if not for the foolishness of congress and the politics of DC when the SSC got scuttled.

Not to mention the end of Apollo and the submission to the anti-nuke nutjobs. Thank you DC for crippling American science and discovery!

136 filetandrelease  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:58:45pm

Biden " Hillary would have been a better pick"

Probably already posted, but that is priceless.

137 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:01pm

re: #73 lifeofthemind

If McCain could win Michigan, it'd be a rout. But I can't imagine, with Detroit, Dearbornistan, etc....... those cities will be teeming with community organizers from now 'til November......

138 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:04pm

re: #84 jcm

Crap. Why don't you just call a spade a spade?

139 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:24pm

Yeah, listen everybody,
I don't even know what this forum's about, BUT, I just want the world to know that MATT DAMON IS THE BIGGEST dick THAT HAS EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH!

I don't apologize.....He IS A BIG dick!


I feel GREAT!1

140 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:30pm

re: #104 ludwigvanquixote

Just a physics perspective... from an actual physicist - who used to work in particle theory...

The possibility of tiny black holes is very remote. If they did form, they would have no more than a few TeV mass. This is because we are only dealing with TeV beams. The kind of black holes that you might think of from movies would be on the order of 10^30 times more massive.

What this means is that they could not possibly be any threat because of Hawking Radiation.

Black holes radiate. The smaller they are the faster they radiate. Something this tiny would evaporate almost instantaneously.

This is what happens when the MSM is looking for something sensational to write about without bothering to check the physics first. It is all Bullsh!t of the worst sort.

It seems to me that if a hyperdense particle or micro-black hole were created from such a small mass that 'normal' physics would quickly take over. While energy is applied, the particle can remain hyperdense. As soon as the energy quit squashing the particle, it has no reason to remain in its unstable state. In a actual blackhole, the energy crushing the particles doesn't cease because of the gravity of the massive mass.

141 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:30pm

re: #132 Son Of The Godfather

My story, stickin' paintin' to it! heh

better

142 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:35pm

re: #25 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It'll be a month before they do any collisions.

/Don't celebrate our survival, yet.

(Besides, I'm still trying to get my arms around how a micro Black Hole can stay collapsed... not enough mass, based on my HS physics and astronomy studies... love to know more about that, any lizards up on that stuff?)

A small black hole should evaporate very quickly.
Black holes evaporate. This was Hawking's big discovery; I think it was his PhD thesis. He found that to be able to assign a temperature to a black hole, and to have entropy increase, the black holes had to evaporate.

What happens is, the universe is full of virtual particles. A particle and its antiparticle come into existence, and then recombine and disappear. Conservation of energy is violated for a very short time, but this is allowed by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle (which ties together energy and time the same way it ties position and momentum).
If this happens near a black hole, and one particle falls in, the other one becomes real, and the energy comes from the black hole.

143 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:38pm

re: #121 jim in virginia

I feel the earth move!
CNN breaking news, 6.6 earthquake in Indonesia, 7.2 in Japan. I blame the Hadron supercollider.

Magnitude
6.9
Date-Time
Thursday, September 11, 2008 at 00:20:52 UTC
Thursday, September 11, 2008 at 09:20:52 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location
41.979°N, 143.625°E
Depth
35 km (21.7 miles) set by location program
Region
HOKKAIDO, JAPAN REGION
Distances
125 km (80 miles) SSW of Kushiro, Hokkaido, Japan
225 km (140 miles) SSE of Asahikawa, Hokkaido, Japan
225 km (140 miles) ESE of Sapporo, Hokkaido, Japan
775 km (485 miles) NNE of TOKYO, Japan
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 7.7 km (4.8 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters
NST=184, Nph=184, Dmin=252.2 km, Rmss=1.21 sec, Gp= 61°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=7
Source
USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID
us2008wvag

Magnitude
6.6
Date-Time
Thursday, September 11, 2008 at 00:00:02 UTC
Thursday, September 11, 2008 at 09:00:02 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location
1.865°N, 127.439°E
Depth
93.1 km (57.9 miles)
Region
HALMAHERA, INDONESIA
Distances
120 km (75 miles) N of Ternate, Moluccas, Indonesia
290 km (180 miles) E of Manado, Sulawesi, Indonesia
1575 km (980 miles) SSE of MANILA, Philippines
2460 km (1530 miles) ENE of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 9.4 km (5.8 miles); depth +/- 28.5 km (17.7 miles)
Parameters
NST= 33, Nph= 33, Dmin=>999 km, Rmss=0.55 sec, Gp= 47°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=6
Source
USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID
us2008wvab

144 JeremyR  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:00pm

re: #118 rawmuse

I refer to them as huskers. You have your half-huskers, your full huskers, and then the husker and a half, maybe even a double husker.

Nebraska is over flowing with Huskers. Easy to spot, they love to wear red.

145 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:01pm

re: #130 tradewind

Next one's up to the IDF....

Or us......

146 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:31pm

re: #102 itellu3times

Aha, I see on Drudge that Obama on Letterman has esplained hisself:

Obama On Letterman: 'McCain Policy Is The Pig'

I feel so much better now, how about you?

/lipstick on a sarc

Keep the lipstick coming:

You can contact us by mail at:
Obama for America
P.O. Box 8102
Chicago, IL 60680

/he prefers blue to match his lips

147 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:37pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny, but if we were sucked into a black hole we would die most gruesomely. The gravity is strong enough to not just rip you apart, not even just rip apart your atoms but rip apart the very nuclii of your atoms.

It is possible that you would experience an infinitesimally small moment of painful sensation at disruption and that the actual experience of falling into the hole may feel almost infinitely drawn out. Or not.

148 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:38pm

Interesting....

149 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:40pm

re: #140 David IV of Georgia

It seems to me that if a hyperdense particle or micro-black hole were created from such a small mass that 'normal' physics would quickly take over. While energy is applied, the particle can remain hyperdense. As soon as the energy quit squashing the particle, it has no reason to remain in its unstable state. In a actual blackhole, the energy crushing the particles doesn't cease because of the gravity of the massive mass.

Congratulations, you just qualified as Obama's Secretary of Density.

150 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:42pm

re: #131 unclassifiable

You're correct. I don't do so good at channeling.

151 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:52pm

re: #121 jim in virginia

Watch... some will seriously attempt to claim the events are connected.

152 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:53pm

re: #139 lurknomore

Yeah, listen everybody,
I don't even know what this forum's about, BUT, I just want the world to know that MATT DAMON IS THE BIGGEST dick THAT HAS EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH!

I don't apologize.....He IS A BIG dick!


I feel GREAT!1


Is this figuratively or literally

153 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:59pm

I once asked my astronomy prof if a black hole was planar (like a disc), or spherical to an outside observer. His answer was the most honest I've ever received from academia:
"F*** if I know."

154 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:01:15pm

re: #139 lurknomore

Yeah, listen everybody,
I don't even know what this forum's about, BUT, I just want the world to know that MATT DAMON IS THE BIGGEST dick THAT HAS EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH!

I don't apologize.....He IS A BIG dick!


I feel GREAT!1

Why? because Matt Damon has a big dick?
/I wouldn't of said that brother!

155 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:01:22pm

re: #136 filetandrelease

(Can't you just see Her Thighness muttering ' no shiite sherlock' as she reads this)....

156 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:01:24pm

re: #134 debutaunt

I'm convinced that everyone who was on earth back then died, except I lived on because of my amazing imagination. I came up with the Dan Rather/Throb thing as well.

Uh OK.

Pinching self. Looking in mirror. Checking color of sky outside.

157 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:01:57pm

re: #139 lurknomore

Yeah, listen everybody,
I don't even know what this forum's about, BUT, I just want the world to know that MATT DAMON IS THE BIGGEST dick THAT HAS EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH!

I don't apologize.....He IS A BIG dick!


I feel GREAT!1


I dunno... I kinda liked him in Team America: World Police

158 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:10pm

re: #152 saberry0530
BOTH!

159 filetandrelease  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:17pm

re: #155 tradewind

(Can't you just see Her Thighness muttering ' no shiite sherlock' as she reads this)....

You mean, after she stops laughing?

160 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:38pm

re: #104 ludwigvanquixote

Thanks for an informed explanation. I though about trying to answer that question but I'm glad I didn't embarrass myself by attempting it.

161 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:45pm

re: #139 lurknomore

Are you f--ing Matt Damon? Sarah, is that you?
:)

162 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:51pm

re: #142 Kosh's Shadow

Thanks for that great info! Simply fascinating.

163 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:58pm

OT - (comment posted on previous related thread) A side article from the Washington Times at ...election.foxnews... link says (SC Dem Chief) Fowler apologizes for her comment but the link to the WT is not found.

Scroll down and the WT link about the apology is here.

164 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:03:07pm

Via USGS:
6.9 quake in Hokkaido.
6.6 quake in Halmahera, Indonesia.

That follows a 6.1 in Iran, which apparently did widespread damage and killed at least 6.

165 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:03:19pm

re: #161 tradewind

Gulp, that's Silverman, not Palin....

166 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:03:41pm

Theoretical science isn't my strong suit. What is the end result of this exercise? What are the payoffs; practically uses or knowledge gained?

167 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:03:49pm

re: #118 rawmuse

I refer to them as huskers. You have your half-huskers, your full huskers, and then the husker and a half, maybe even a double husker.

Ah, took me a few seconds, but, yes, I get your meaning. You're an old S.F. denizen. Perhaps this is just an urban legend, but remember before the bathhouses were closed? There used to be these large circles (so I am told), sometimes consisting of twenty or more "nodes," all connected in buggery. Perhaps they were trying their own experiments in acceleration: I am sure the HIV virus passed quickly enough.

168 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:04:05pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny, but if we were sucked into a black hole we would die most gruesomely. The gravity is strong enough to not just rip you apart, not even just rip apart your atoms but rip apart the very nuclii of your atoms.

If the world should stop revolving, spinning slowly down to die
I'd spend the end with you, and when the world was through
Then one by one the stars would all go out
Then you and I would simply fly away.

/in itty bitty piences

169 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:04:12pm

You people are so racist.

It is a community organizer hole.

170 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:04:22pm
171 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:04:25pm

re: #157 Son Of The Godfather

watch this...[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

HE IS THE BIGGEST > THAT EVER LIVED......

172 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:04:42pm

re: #164 lawhawk

Hope this isn't some ring of fire meltdown thingy....have family on the left coast. One of them in a tsunami zone.

173 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:05:29pm

re: #164 lawhawk

Via USGS:
6.9 quake in Hokkaido.
6.6 quake in Halmahera, Indonesia.

That follows a 6.1 in Iran, which apparently did widespread damage and killed at least 6.

Iran has shitty construction for earth quakes, villages mud, cities un-reenforced brick.

174 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:05:39pm

re: #137 tradewind

If McCain could win Michigan, it'd be a rout. But I can't imagine, with Detroit, Dearbornistan, etc....... those cities will be teeming with community organizers from now 'til November......

THey do not even have to find anybody, there time is more efficiently spent filling out applications using names from old phone books and other lists and then just dumping tens of thousands of voting registration forms on the desk at Board of Election HQ on the last possible day. The only way to stop ACORN from stealing an election is to flood the polling stations with trained watchers who insist on comparing the signatures on each voter and challenge every one they suspect. That can be a dangerous thing to do.

175 farmsted  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:05:52pm

Sad thing is, I'd be willing to bet the European on this project are huge supporters of world peace and ending world poverty but they have no problem spending €3.2–6.4 billion on this project. Wonder how may people starving in Dafur this would have fed?

176 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:05:54pm

re: #54 flyovercountry

Not to mention, Gravity is a function of mass, and nothing more. A Black hole with the mass of a proton, has the same gravitational effect as a proton. A black Hole with the mass of a bowling ball, has the same gravitational effect as a bowling ball. Not all science experiments are bound to destroy the world

So let me get this straight..... If I produced a black hole with the mass of Monica Lewinsky.....

177 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:06:00pm

I'm sure I felt a shift in the space-time continuum.

178 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:06:38pm

re: #130 tradewind

Next one's up to the IDF....

They seem to be able.

Three countries. Six days.

179 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:07:05pm

re: #167 ContraJihadi

Well, congratulations, you seem to have hit on a subject of which I know practically nothing.

180 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:07:49pm

re: #166 Outrider

What is the end result of this exercise? What are the payoffs; practically uses or knowledge gained?

There's no limit to what we might learn. The computer chip is a direct result from advances in quantum physics. We may discover new sources of energy (about a gram of anti-matter could put the space shuttle into orbit). Trust me, there will be plenty of cool stuff that comes out of this. I can't wait for my anti-gravity pants.

181 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:08:34pm

re: #150 Cap'n DOC

No prob doc. I tried it once and it never came out right. Never posted it.

It's a knack, no doubt about it.

182 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:08:41pm

re: #149 itellu3times

Congratulations, you just qualified as Obama's Secretary of Density.

Just cuss me out next time or kick my mother...

183 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:08:50pm

re: #174 lifeofthemind

Yeah, we have the same situation down here in my city, the only Dem stronghold in a very Red state.
Republicans had better get their legal ducks in a row, and be ready to catch those planes. Dems already know how to do it.

184 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:09:32pm

re: #166 Outrider

Theoretical science isn't my strong suit. What is the end result of this exercise? What are the payoffs; practically uses or knowledge gained?

Hopefully validate the existence of many theoretical particles. To understand what the universe is made out of and perhaps figure out how it was created. I'm propably missing a lot but those reasons are the hyped up ones.

185 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:09:46pm

maybe it will suck up the alternate universe the democrats live in

186 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:09:57pm

re: #174 lifeofthemind

THey do not even have to find anybody, there time is more efficiently spent filling out applications using names from old phone books and other lists and then just dumping tens of thousands of voting registration forms on the desk at Board of Election HQ on the last possible day. The only way to stop ACORN from stealing an election is to flood the polling stations with trained watchers who insist on comparing the signatures on each voter and challenge every one they suspect. That can be a dangerous thing to do.

The beauty of the Electoral College system. Damn, those founders were slick.

Compartmentalized Fraud. No matter how many dead people vote in Chicago, it won't change the result in Indiana.

It does mean some particularly corrupt state will be "owned" by the Donks (Illinois, anyone?) forever and they will be trying to get that inside straight they need to (just barely) get an electoral win.

They've been trying to crack that code (minimal states to win) as long as I can remember.

187 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:06pm

So this was just a trial run of the Slithereedee. I guess we all have another shot at oblivion next time.

Oh, The Slithereedee
Has crawled out of the sea,
He may catch all the others
But he won't catch me.
No, you won't catch me,
Old slitheree-dee,
You may catch all the others,
But you wo....

-Shel Silverstein

188 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:27pm

re: #167 ContraJihadi

BRAIN BLEACH!

189 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:31pm

re: #164 lawhawk

Via USGS:
6.9 quake in Hokkaido.
6.6 quake in Halmahera, Indonesia.

That follows a 6.1 in Iran, which apparently did widespread damage and killed at least 6.

When we have 6 nearly simultaneous earthquakes in Iran we will be able to go back to our regularly scheduled entertainment.

190 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:39pm

re: #37 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oh, remember its the tidal forces of the Black Hole that will get you, not just the extreme gravity.

So, when you get sucked into one, go in head first, that way you won't have to enjoy your feet getting ripped off.

/Just sayin'

Sucking force, heh? That's one hell of a BJ.

/couldn't resist.

191 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:44pm

re: #177 So?

So did I , until I realized what I had for supper. You might want to check also

/

192 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:59pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

How do they physically engineer the collider to contain the hoped for sub-sub particles smaller than have ever been broken off before? They're going to be moving awful fast and solid matter doesn't seem to be much of a barrier.

/also, what's your opinion on string theory?

193 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:11:00pm

re: #177 So?

Wow, the sky is all purple, and I think the island just moved.....

194 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:11:37pm

re: #124 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, here I am!

Hi Goddess..Now watching the sox game now and you know how ball games are..slow..
Anyhoo...From the first time i've ever seen your nic..it always reminded
me of a teacher that changed my life...not from the goddess nic per say..but because..After 11 years of what i considered brutal life in a private catholic school and flunking english i begged my father on my knees to go to a public school..tears in my eyes..I had issues with some of the nuns my whole life..My aunt is a nun...as some would say OY..
My father said ok and my senior year i transfered to a public school and for english class i had a Mrs. Carmen.. The most beautiful women i had ever laid eyes upon..For the next 6 weeks i hit the books so hard i got an A- next report card..But the most fond memories i have.. Is a goddessof the classroom taking time to talk to me and spend time helping me knowing i was coming from a war. She was beautiful and kind and gave me my sense of humor...
I owe her alot... My goddessoftheclassroom..
My story huh?
/should have been my agent...LOL

195 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:11:43pm

re: #179 rawmuse

Well, congratulations, you seem to have hit on a subject of which I know practically nothing.

Ah well, except in so far as a certain pressure group has gained far too much influence in S.F. politics, 'tis not worth a second thought. Country First!

196 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:11:47pm

Skeletor is apoplectic tonight. It's funny.

He's missing the point about the pig/lipstick thing - the point is not whether it was Obama's intention to directly insult Sarah Palin. The point is that it was perceived as an insult to Sarah Palin. And once he got painted with the perception, it stuck to him like a bad polyester suit, and has thus become a firestorm.

197 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:12:21pm

re: #186 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Upding, you got it in one.

198 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:12:34pm

BBl guys, I got some errands to run. as to who built the super-collider. The US has supported more than its fair share of big-science projects. Let the Euro's foot the bill on this one....

199 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:12:35pm

If CERN succeeds in creating a black hole, it will be an OBAMANATION™

200 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:12:41pm

re: #104 ludwigvanquixote

Please forgive me but while we have a particle physics person here. I was wanting to know if it is possible to construct collisions that would result in whole anti-matter atoms from the LHC in your opinion.

I don't know if there is enough information to make that determination of even if such a thing theoretically exists.

201 Egfrow  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:14pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny, but if we were sucked into a black hole we would die most gruesomely. The gravity is strong enough to not just rip you apart, not even just rip apart your atoms but rip apart the very nuclii of your atoms.

Um thanks but easy on physics lesson there sport! . I'm well aware of what you speak. It was a parody joke.

202 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:18pm

re: #196 Intrepid

Skeletor is apoplectic tonight. It's funny.

He's missing the point about the pig/lipstick thing - the point is not whether it was Obama's intention to directly insult Sarah Palin. The point is that it was perceived as an insult to Sarah Palin. And once he got painted with the perception, it stuck to him like a bad polyester suit, and has thus become a firestorm.

They can dish it but can't take it- too funny.

203 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:26pm

re: #166 Outrider

This is actually experimental science. It is what we use to prove that we might know what we are talking about and to see new things we didn't know about at all.

The payoffs are best explained by a story about Faraday and Gladstone.

Faraday discovered that when one changes the magnetic flux though a loop of wire, a current is induced in the wire. Literally, if you make a hoop of wire and waggle a magnet through it, you make a current in the wire. This is how all of our electricity is generated. Right now, you are benefiting from this discovery.

Gladstone then PM of Britain came to visit Faraday's lab. He asked a question much like "what is the practical use of this?"

Faraday responded

"One day sir, you will tax it."

Science is an investment. The more we know how the universe works, the more we can use that knowledge to our own purposes. We can not promise a specific payoff from any fundamental research other than new knowledge. We can say that every payoff that there has ever been was ultimately the result of fundamental research.

If you want a high tech future, it all begins with knowing more about what is possible.

204 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:34pm

re: #189 lifeofthemind

When we have 6 nearly simultaneous earthquakes in Iran without a mushroom cloud we will be able to go back to our regularly scheduled entertainment.

Italics added by me.

205 Wishing  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:43pm

re: #148 Typicalwhitey

Interesting....

tw..where do u come up with these gems ROFL

206 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:43pm

re: #195 ContraJihadi

That's OK. The truth is that I am somewhat of a bore. Unless you count my wild years during the Gerald Ford administration.

207 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:46pm

re: #193 tradewind

Wow, the sky is all purple, and I think the island just moved.....

Actually, we are still here, but in another dimension. Notice you're left eye is where you're right eye used to be?

208 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:49pm

Speaking of black holes, out of the mouth of Ariana Huffington:

Sarah Palin is a trojan moose......
209 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:54pm

re: #166 Outrider

Theoretical science isn't my strong suit. What is the end result of this exercise? What are the payoffs; practically uses or knowledge gained?

Better understand of what stuff is made of.

With a better understanding of basic chemistry, we made better metals.

If we know how atoms are put together, maybe we can make better stuff at an atomic level. Or control the energy within better.

We already know some sub-atomic particles are paired. If you do something to one, both react simultaneously regards of distance, that has all kinds of theoretically implications.

210 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:14:09pm

re: #199 So?

If CERN succeeds in creating a black hole, it will be an OBAMANATION™

Don't insult Abominations like that.

211 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:14:21pm

re: #185 spidly

maybe it will suck up the alternate universe the democrats live in

It would spit it right back out.

212 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:14:31pm

I don't know if this has anything to do with the Hadron collider, but from the waist down, I've turned into a giant squirrel.

I'm taking an Advil.

213 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:14:53pm

We may already have been through the black hole, but never knew it, except, of course, for that third eye I don't remember having had yesterday morning! ;-)

214 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:15:02pm
215 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:15:15pm

re: #163 Piglet-U93

OT - (comment posted on previous related thread) A side article from the Washington Times at ...election.foxnews... link says (SC Dem Chief) Fowler apologizes for her comment but the link to the WT is not found.

Scroll down and the WT link about the apology is here.

Interesting article:

...On Tuesday, for the third time in four days, Obama borrowed a lengthy bubble quote from Washington Post cartoonist Tom Toles. He did not acknowledge the origin of the quote the first time he used it and credited the cartoon only after the Post contacted the Obama campaign to ask about the first use...

So, it appears Sen Obama is now taking strategic advice from his partner?

...Obama’s running mate, Joe Biden, admitted during his 1988 presidential campaign that he had plagiarized sources in a Law Review article during his years at Syracuse University College of Law. He also came under fire for using lines from former British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock in his speeches, which were only sometimes attributed...
216 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:15:28pm

re: #196 Intrepid

Skeletor is apoplectic tonight. It's funny.

He's missing the point about the pig/lipstick thing - the point is not whether it was Obama's intention to directly insult Sarah Palin. The point is that it was perceived as an insult to Sarah Palin. And once he got painted with the perception, it stuck to him like a bad polyester suit, and has thus become a firestorm.

I saw the video, not a doubt in my military mind that he had been briefed, he hesitated, he delivered it, the crowd reacted and he knew why and went on to the fish line. The fact he did it that way coupled with the prior and subsequent comments at his own web site, as well as affiliated sites like Kos and DU, leave no doubt to me that it was a deliberate smear.

217 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:15:34pm

re: #137 tradewind

If McCain could win Michigan, it'd be a rout. But I can't imagine, with Detroit, Dearbornistan, etc....... those cities will be teeming with community organizers from now 'til November......

RACIST!

/

218 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:15:40pm

re: #171 lurknomore

watch this...[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

HE IS THE BIGGEST > THAT EVER LIVED......


I know, I know... his "performance" in Team America was... unflattering to say the least (also, performed by a puppet... with better acting skills!)

219 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:16:02pm

re: #207 So?

You Lost me there.....

220 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:16:12pm

re: #206 rawmuse

That's OK. The truth is that I am somewhat of a bore. Unless you count my wild years during the Gerald Ford administration.

loosened up the ole bow tie then, did ya ?

221 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:16:29pm

re: #138 Cap'n DOC

Crap. Why don't you just call a spade a spade?

RACIST!

/

222 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:16:40pm

LAST DAY ON EARTH or will time travelers start to appear as a wormhole is opened and turn us in soylent green?

[Link: www.zaporacle.com...]

223 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:16:53pm

re: #108 ludwigvanquixote

I was as at A&M at the time when they were bringing many Nobel Prize winners to Texas to lobby for it. THe main question at the time was if it could contribute anything to end the energy crisis (I know).

Well of course the answer was no -- not directly.

And that was that.

Short sightedness.

224 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:17:06pm

re: #194 HoosierHoops

Hi Goddess..Now watching the sox game now and you know how ball games are..slow..
Anyhoo...From the first time i've ever seen your nic..it always reminded
me of a teacher that changed my life...not from the goddess nic per say..but because..After 11 years of what i considered brutal life in a private catholic school and flunking english i begged my father on my knees to go to a public school..tears in my eyes..I had issues with some of the nuns my whole life..My aunt is a nun...as some would say OY..
My father said ok and my senior year i transfered to a public school and for english class i had a Mrs. Carmen.. The most beautiful women i had ever laid eyes upon..For the next 6 weeks i hit the books so hard i got an A- next report card..But the most fond memories i have.. Is a goddessof the classroom taking time to talk to me and spend time helping me knowing i was coming from a war. She was beautiful and kind and gave me my sense of humor...
I owe her alot... My goddessoftheclassroom..
My story huh?
/should have been my agent...LOL

PLEASE try to find her and send her this. It will mean the world to her. If she has passed on, send it to her family. We're never truly gone until the last person who remembers us is gone, too.

I found my 3rd grade teacher (fav of ALL TIME) by googling her, finding her current school, and emailing her.

225 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:17:33pm
226 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:17:42pm

re: #202 Sharmuta

They can dish it but can't take it- too funny.

Now this Steve Murphy guy (campaign mgr for Gephart) and Skeletor are both saying that McCain is not running an honorable campaign.

Wonder what the PUMAs would have to say about honorable campaigns.

And I'm thinking this whole meme of tying McCain to Bush is going to run out of steam very soon. It looks like they're running scared when they say that.

227 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:18:07pm

re: #192 Killian Bundy

also, what's your opinion on string theory?

I don't know if they'll ever figure out why the largest balls accumulate in least populated areas near the least traveled rural highways.

228 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:18:11pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

There's no limit to what we might learn. The computer chip is a direct result from advances in quantum physics. We may discover new sources of energy (about a gram of anti-matter could put the space shuttle into orbit). Trust me, there will be plenty of cool stuff that comes out of this. I can't wait for my anti-gravity pants.

I have no problem with the experiment. I just didn't know if there were any immediate results to be gained. This aspect of science is totally unfamiliar to me.

229 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:18:18pm

re: #164 lawhawk

Via USGS:
6.9 quake in Hokkaido.
6.6 quake in Halmahera, Indonesia.

That follows a 6.1 in Iran, which apparently did widespread damage and killed at least 6.

They had better get a little better at aiming the LHC if they think they can use Earthquakes as a weapon.

230 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:19:26pm

re: #204 Cap'n DOC

Italics added by me.

Can't garauntee that. If they have a work accident, accidents do happen you know?, it could get ugly downwind. They may need some special insurance, think I know of some gentlemen from New Jersey who specialize in toxic waste insurance and inconvenient hazard removals.

231 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:19:51pm

re: #214 taxfreekiller

an anti-matter atom would erase the result and you would be back to "O"

Good point. Bad experiment. Don't need anymore of them.

232 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:19:55pm

re: #206 rawmuse

That's OK. The truth is that I am somewhat of a bore. Unless you count my wild years during the Gerald Ford administration.

Now I know you are a wag.

Just think though, if Gerald Ford hadn't pardoned Nixon, the Peanut might have stayed in Georgia. I suppose, however, that inflation would have still been high, because the 'Rat Congress would have vetoed any of Ford's attempts to curb its Keynesian excesses.

233 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:02pm

re: #192 Killian Bundy

/also, what's your opinion on string theory?


Cats like it!

234 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:04pm

re: #224 goddessoftheclassroom

PLEASE try to find her and send her this. It will mean the world to her. If she has passed on, send it to her family. We're never truly gone until the last person who remembers us is gone, too.

I found my 3rd grade teacher (fav of ALL TIME) by googling her, finding her current school, and emailing her.

GGGAAAKKKK,,,, you're young. Any teacher that I had is either looking up at the grass or having their Jello cut up for them !

235 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:09pm

New report on collider.

Pretty good one.

236 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:15pm

re: #203 LudwigVanQuixote

Very well put. Imagine the early days of electrical experiments: jolting corpses and making housewives hair stand up at dinner parties. None of those people ever would have imagine that someday we'd pipe electricity into everyone's homes. Most of them would have objected to the idea.

237 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:25pm

re: #216 lifeofthemind

I saw the video, not a doubt in my military mind that he had been briefed, he hesitated, he delivered it, the crowd reacted and he knew why and went on to the fish line. The fact he did it that way coupled with the prior and subsequent comments at his own web site, as well as affiliated sites like Kos and DU, leave no doubt to me that it was a deliberate smear.

'.....you can put lipstick on a pig" he pauses, waits for the room to get the association and applause, and then continues. Yep, he meant it the way it's being taken.

238 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:45pm

re: #205 Wishing

I am an all knowing McCaniac LOL

My husband says I am nosy, so I am putting it to good use this election cycle.

239 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:21:07pm

All your blackholes are belong to me!

...so what did I miss?

240 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:21:22pm

re: #203 LudwigVanQuixote

Someone told me last weekend that Tesla actually invented a way to transmit electricity through the air - like radio waves. Is that possible?

241 Dustoff-507  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:21:32pm

Hmmm don't care, they said the same with the first NUKE test.
OK on to better things. Have you seen the price of gas? (-:

242 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:21:36pm

re: #215 Outrider

plagiarism info

Hope the McCain camp gets fast ads out on this like the were doing before the convention.

243 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:21:56pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

Someone told me last weekend that Tesla actually invented a way to transmit electricity through the air - like radio waves. Is that possible?

I find that shocking!

244 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:04pm

re: #220 sattv4u2

loosened up the ole bow tie then, did ya ?

He wore a cravat throughout the 70's, so very chic!

245 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:14pm

re: #228 Outrider

I have no problem with the experiment. I just didn't know if there were any immediate results to be gained. This aspect of science is totally unfamiliar to me.

A lot of what we know about quantum physics comes from mathematical models. So some things that exist in the model may or may not exist in the real world. Only way to be sure is to start smashing stuff :)

246 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:27pm

re: #190 So?
I think he meant the other head first dude.

247 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:36pm

re: #212 Occasional Reader

I don't know if this has anything to do with the Hadron collider, but from the waist down, I've turned into a giant squirrel.

I'm taking an Advil.

Did you shake all over and have a tingly feeling run up your leg?

248 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:42pm

re: #230 lifeofthemind

Can't garauntee that. If they have a work accident, accidents do happen you know?, it could get ugly downwind. They may need some special insurance, think I know of some gentlemen from New Jersey who specialize in toxic waste insurance and inconvenient hazard removals.

re: #234 sattv4u2

GGGAAAKKKK,,,, you're young. Any teacher that I had is either looking up at the grass or having their Jello cut up for them !

She was in her second year of teaching when I was in her class. She invited us all to her wedding at a HUGE Russian Orthodox church in Baltimore.

When I emailed her, I said, "I can't believe you're a grandmother! In my mind, you'll be forever 24."

In her reply, she said, "You'll be forever 8."

249 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:47pm

re: #239 coquimbojoe

All your blackholes are belong to me!

...so what did I miss?

We were sucked into a black hole, minorities and poor hit hardest.

250 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:47pm

re: #244 coquimbojoe

He wore a cravat throughout the 70's, so very chic!

Paisley tux.

251 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:23:08pm

re: #140 David IV of Georgia

All physics is normal physics... There is only the physics we don't know about yet. However, certain things like energy conservation will always hold.

It isn't an issue of of energy squishing the micro black hole to "keep it together." One of the central features of a black hole is that gravity has become strong enough to over come all of the other forces - even degenercy pressure. In other words, nothing "pushing" from inside the black hole is strong enough to do anything.

Black holes radiate because of quantum fluctuations at the event horizon.

This is Hawking radiation. Particle anti-particle pairs pop into existence all the time at a tremendously fast rate. If one falls into the event horizon and the other doesn't, energy conservation is maintained by the anihilation of mass within the black hole.

The smaller it is, the faster that mass gets anihilated.

Energy is conserved always. IF such a black hole were formed - we don't know for sure it can be done at these energies - it would have no more mass than the energy of the particles that formed it i.e. a few TeV. Such a black hole would die near instantaneously. The signal would look like a jet of particles.

252 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:23:39pm

re: #50 bushleague

The NY times has the Typo Of the Year

"Large Hardon Collider"

(OK a bit dated but still hilarious)

Maybe the typo has something to do with the anticipation of encountering a BLACK HOLE.

/also dated

253 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:24:00pm

re: #239 coquimbojoe

All your blackholes are belong to me!

...so what did I miss?

Apparently the collider causes earthquakes in countries that the MSM doesn't know exist (unless they make Bush look bad).

254 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:24:00pm

re: #247 saberry0530

Did you shake all over and have a tingly feeling run up your leg?

Never mind, false alarm; I got better.

255 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:24:14pm

re: #249 jcm

We were sucked into a black hole, minorities and poor hit hardest.

Is the bible clingers fault! How are the kids?

256 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:24:46pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny, but if we were sucked into a black hole we would die most gruesomely. The gravity is strong enough to not just rip you apart, not even just rip apart your atoms but rip apart the very nuclii of your atoms.

In that event it is a statistical certainty that somewhere in the world someone (man or woman) will be achieving orgasm.

"Oh my God OH MY GOD......................................"

257 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:24:50pm

re: #250 rawmuse

Paisley tux.

You too?

258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:09pm

Anybody else get the feeling from that Biden "Hillary is more qualified to be VP than me" "slip" might actually be some battlefield prep work for the possibility he might "have to resign because of health reasons"?

259 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:29pm

Science meets God in the space between the electrons.

260 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:31pm

The actually tests haven't even started yet. They just shot some particles to see that they would travel around the damn thing. The serious smashing hasn't begun.

261 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:38pm

re: #254 Occasional Reader

Never mind, false alarm; I got better.

Good thing, had our doubts there for a minute or two
/

262 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:46pm

re: #227 spidly

I don't know if they'll ever figure out why the largest balls accumulate in least populated areas near the least traveled rural highways.

/that's twine

263 godfrey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:57pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes.

264 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:59pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

Very well put. Imagine the early days of electrical experiments: jolting corpses and making housewives hair stand up at dinner parties. None of those people ever would have imagine that someday we'd pipe electricity into everyone's homes. Most of them would have objected to the idea.

I remember when they first built the nuke plant in Russelville, Arkansas thereby allowing many folks in NW Arkansas to have electricity in their homes not too many years ago. A whole lot of people refused to use it at first because of the fear they would be irradiated from the electricity.

265 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:03pm

so isn't it all supposed to happen in a nanosecond? I mean, how much pain could you possible feel? Watching Alan Colmes, on the other hand, generates undying agony.

266 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:07pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What? All his plugs falling out followed by dribbling grey matter?

267 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:10pm

re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote

Could you take a stab at answering what practical/commercial advances we might see from the LHC?

268 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:15pm

re: #233 So?

/also, what's your opinion on string theory?


Cats like it!

two swallows just might be able to carry a coconut with it

269 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:23pm

"I want my Higgs Boson!"
-- Garrett Lisi

270 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:38pm

re: #259 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Science meets God in the space between the electrons.

Do they order a drink?

271 Dustoff-507  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:39pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)


Major Goof!.. (-:

272 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:39pm

re: #264 Outrider

Heh.

273 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:40pm

re: #255 coquimbojoe

Is the bible clingers fault! How are the kids?

Doing very well, growing, getting into things, bloody noses, all the normal stuff.

274 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:40pm
We could still see the formation of a super-massive tiny black hole that would suck in the entire Milky Way galaxy in one cataclysmic nanosecond, next time they fire it up

That's one possibility. Another is that we're whisked into the Mirror, Mirror universe, where Charles has a goatee, and puts up threads that quote extensively (and approvingly) from Dude, Where's My Country?.

275 godfrey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:44pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

But, there's no way Obama will recover from such a thing. Not enough time.

276 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:01pm

re: #248 goddessoftheclassroom

I am armored by my immaturity, nice of you to notice.

277 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:15pm

re: #266 Cap'n DOC

What? All his plugs falling out followed by dribbling grey matter?

Happens... especially around micro-black holes.

/Crap, now I'm a racist too... :-)

278 jaunte  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:27pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That would one way Obama could pull a big surprise at this point. Of course it would make him look even weaker and more wishy-washy than before.

279 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:31pm

re: #270 So?

Hmmm. Not impossible.

280 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:36pm

Getting back to the serious stuff.

All they have done at CERN is fired up the LHC, in one direction.

That having been achieved, they will determine when they feel comfortable that they can fire particles IN THE OPPOSITE direction to achieve the collision they are desiring. That is when the fun starts.

281 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:39pm

re: #269 Salamantis

"I want my Higgs Boson!"
-- Garrett Lisi

I've got a Higgs Bison, if you're interested.

282 mich-again  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:40pm

Hey. Where'd my beer go?

Damn that black hole generator machine.

283 goofeeem  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:06pm

re: #260

hold off on the 2009 planners

284 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:15pm

re: #275 godfrey

But, there's no way Obama will recover from such a thing. Not enough time.

Desparation. Never underestimate the mistakes in decision making it can wring.

285 Dustoff-507  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:19pm

re: #277 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

WOW, he has gray matter? I didn't know! 0-:

286 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:22pm

re: #260 So?

The actually tests haven't even started yet. They just shot some particles to see that they would travel around the damn thing. The serious smashing hasn't begun.


Beaten AGAIN, I dont believe this. :(

287 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:23pm

re: #282 mich-again

LMAO

288 Sparkizzy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:26pm

Zell Miller rocks!

289 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:28pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

Someone told me last weekend that Tesla actually invented a way to transmit electricity through the air - like radio waves. Is that possible?

Apparently Nikolai Tesla did. The usual explanation for why it hasn't been further tested or proven is that no one has tried it because those who have the means (financial and electrical, that is, electric companies) don't know how to meter aerial electricity.

290 Palandine  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:29pm

I vaguely remember them saying in high school physics that if you were sucked into a black hole, you'd be able to see the back of your own head before it was over.

No thanks, I have a mirror.

/still, it'd be relatively quick, I guess...

291 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:40pm

re: #281 So?

I've got a Higgs Bison, if you're interested.

In the Clown Universe, they have Higgs Bozons.

292 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:44pm

re: #277 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

BTW - Which parts are you missing? Your wit is intact...

293 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:58pm

re: #264 Outrider


Remember that old Black Oak song, 'When electricity came to Arkansas"?

Jim Dandy was a hoot.

The VERY first concert I ever went to (aged 13) was Black Oak at the Mid south coleseum in Memphis, TN. They cut out all the lights as the band opened, and everyone lit up their Bic lighters. (and lit up a few other things) Nowdays the management would stroke out right on stage.

wussies.

294 godfrey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:29:11pm

re: #284 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I think Axelrod is flailing at this point. So is Obama.

295 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:29:31pm

re: #280 A Kiwi Infidel

Getting back to the serious stuff.

All they have done at CERN is fired up the LHC, in one direction.

That having been achieved, they will determine when they feel comfortable that they can fire particles IN THE OPPOSITE direction to achieve the collision they are desiring. That is when the fun starts.

SO if they fire it up in the reverse direction, are we going to have to have this thread in reverse?

296 Dustoff-507  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:29:48pm

re: #280 A Kiwi Infidel
AS I said before. Know one knows? Same as the first nuke test?

297 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:29:58pm

re: #219 tradewind

You Lost me there.....

see, we're drifting apart...nice blogging with you....hope LGF 12 is as friendly

298 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:30:32pm

re: #295 saberry0530

SO if they fire it up in the reverse direction, are we going to have to have this thread in reverse?

either that,,,, or it creates a White Hole


/I'll save you all the trouble

// RACIST !-

299 godfrey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:30:40pm

Higgs Bosons, pffth. When are they going to start supercolliding the big stuff, like .50 cal slugs?

300 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:30:46pm

re: #286 A Kiwi Infidel

Beaten AGAIN, I dont believe this. :(

You need a MacBook Pro, it's silky to the touch and very quick.

301 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:02pm

re: #298 sattv4u2
GMTA

302 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:11pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

You can, that's what normal radio waves do but at very low power. The problem is it is not very efficient once the distance becomes more than a few inches. We sent in a proposal to power airplanes with remote power beams. The proposed big space solar power generators might use microwaves to send the power to earth, these are I think aimed at around 1 GW. I do not know any details of Telsa's scheme so I'm not sure what he proposed using.

303 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:15pm

re: #289 David IV of Georgia

That was exactly the argument I heard. I've yet to find it in writing anywhere, and I thought I'd throw that out there. It seems that sort of thing would make electrically powered cars a bit more practical - say, meter it on the receiving end rather than the source.

304 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:32pm

re: #292 Cap'n DOC

BTW - Which parts are you missing? Your wit is intact...

Two thumbs. Assorted other injuries, but they just "add character" and impress chicks (at least that's what my 18 year old son would tell me...)

305 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:33pm

re: #262 Killian Bundy

/that's twine

they are very very similar and behave almost identically.

Anyone remember what is emitted when string decays into twine and what the mass defect is?

306 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:38pm

re: #270 So?

Do they order a drink?

They created something after they had a drink...

307 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:47pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

That's one possibility. Another is that we're whisked into the Mirror, Mirror universe, where Charles has a goatee, and puts up threads that quote extensively (and approvingly) from Dude, Where's My Country?.

And Matt Damon is president?

Please let me meet classifiable so that the matter anti-matter collision will take me out of that universe.

308 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:49pm

re: #278 jaunte

That would one way Obama could pull a big surprise at this point. Of course it would make him look even weaker and more wishy-washy than before.

It would be close to the ultimate flip-flop. I'm sure at some level he has to realize he is in over his head and Sen Biden isn't the candidate that needs replacing.

309 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:49pm

re: #300 So?

You need a MacBook Pro, it's silky to the touch and very quick.

I once (or was it twice) met a lady in Tijuana that fits that description

310 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:03pm

re: #174 lifeofthemind

THey do not even have to find anybody, there time is more efficiently spent filling out applications using names from old phone books and other lists and then just dumping tens of thousands of voting registration forms on the desk at Board of Election HQ on the last possible day. The only way to stop ACORN from stealing an election is to flood the polling stations with trained watchers who insist on comparing the signatures on each voter and challenge every one they suspect. That can be a dangerous thing to do.

Michigan "community organizers" seething over Macomb County decision to disallow voters from claiming foreclosed homes as their current address.

311 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:13pm

re: #294 godfrey

I think Axelrod is flailing at this point. So is Obama.

Oh no, there was a shift, how did I become Obama. That's an OBAMANATION™

312 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:17pm

ALl this fantastic talk about CERN, particles, wormholes... People, time travel will NEVER be possible... ever...

Now let's get back to this campaign and make sure we beat Jimmah Carter this time around!

313 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:34pm

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

314 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:37pm

So when are they scheduled to turn on the taps for both hot and cold? I'd like a little advance notice to be able to stretch a bit to I can bend over to kiss my ass goodbye, before they generate 'the big twinkie'

315 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:44pm

re: #306 Kreuzueber Halbmond

They created something after they had a drink...

A double boson...

316 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:52pm

re: #304 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Thank you for your service, sir.

317 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:59pm

re: #248 goddessoftheclassroom

She was in her second year of teaching when I was in her class. She invited us all to her wedding at a HUGE Russian Orthodox church in Baltimore.

When I emailed her, I said, "I can't believe you're a grandmother! In my mind, you'll be forever 24."

In her reply, she said, "You'll be forever 8."

Synopsis of an Eastern Orthodox wedding:

Glory to Thee, our God, glory to Thee!

Grant them glory and honor.

318 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:21pm

re: #175 farmsted

Sad thing is, I'd be willing to bet the European on this project are huge supporters of world peace and ending world poverty but they have no problem spending €3.2–6.4 billion on this project. Wonder how may people starving in Dafur this would have fed?

Just a wild guess, but how 'bout maybe the 15 or 20 lucky stiffs that happen to be within range of the TV cameras when the plane from the U.N. lands, and Sally Struthers or Bono hop out and start doling out sacks of rice? The rest of the loot would go to feather the nests of Eurocrats, UN-ocrats, and Sudanese government thugs alike.

/cynic? Hell, I'm an optimist.

319 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:29pm

re: #305 spidly

A frayed knot!

320 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:33pm

re: #309 sattv4u2

I once (or was it twice) met a lady in Tijuana that fits that description

That was Samatha and her beast of burden, was it?

321 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:39pm

re: #304 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Two thumbs. Assorted other injuries, but they just "add character" and impress chicks (at least that's what my 18 year old son would tell me...)

guess that means you'll never co-host that movie review show ,,,, you know,, the one where the hosts give 0, 1, or 2 thumbs up !

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD

322 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:47pm

re: #226 Intrepid

Now this Steve Murphy guy (campaign mgr for Gephart) and Skeletor are both saying that McCain is not running an honorable campaign.

Wonder what the PUMAs would have to say about honorable campaigns.

And I'm thinking this whole meme of tying McCain to Bush is going to run out of steam very soon. It looks like they're running scared when they say that.

These guys are saying that because it's the 0bama team's talking point- but you're spot on about the PUMAs. I think the only thing they could have done to fix this gaffe was apologize while saying the comment was not meant in the way in which it was taken. But to flip this back on McCain? Not going to fly. Besides- the damage is done.

The "McSame" meme seems to be all they have- well, that and insulting Sarah Palin and women everywhere. The McSame line of attack will probably fail around the time of the debates when McCain will be able to state his case directly to the American people.

323 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:54pm

Well, it's buried underground.

/probably a good reason for that

324 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:55pm

re: #309 sattv4u2

I once (or was it twice) met a lady in Tijuana that fits that description

Hope she wasn't too quick, for your sake.

325 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:57pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

Someone told me last weekend that Tesla actually invented a way to transmit electricity through the air - like radio waves. Is that possible?

I believe it's possible but suffers from a host of engineering problems (inefficiency, costly, dangerous, impractical, etc...). It makes for some cool looking science experiments though.

326 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:58pm

OT - The group the made the movie Obsession is releasing another movie in early October.

An unsolicited call I received today from a person claiming to be a representative from the group.

He stated the title of the new film but I got the impression it might change.

Strange thing was the call had no caller id, may be they are just being cautious.

He said he got my number from Amazon.com. In fact, I did order the movie Obsession from Amazon so it made sense.

327 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:34:30pm

I miss a good black hole.

---Hubble

328 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:34:31pm

I should not let that bother me.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

329 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:34:34pm

re: #316 Cap'n DOC

Thank you for your service, sir.

Naw, more credit goes to you Nam guys. My brother went there, and did not come back.

330 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:34:38pm

re: #248 goddessoftheclassroom

She was in her second year of teaching when I was in her class. She invited us all to her wedding at a HUGE Russian Orthodox church in Baltimore.

When I emailed her, I said, "I can't believe you're a grandmother! In my mind, you'll be forever 24."

In her reply, she said, "You'll be forever 8."

sorry don't have a 1000 dings...
/some would argue that point...but not when i'm in the room..
LOL

331 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:04pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

Yes. But it is not electricity - exactly. The idea was that you could play games with the electromagnetic field to transmit power. The electricity (current) would be generated in something that would interact with the field.

It is not exactly the same thing, but, an example of the principle is a radio antenna. The waves come in and excite currents in the antenna which are then amplified and turned into sound. The difference is, here, rather than using low power to transmit information, he was interested in using the transmitter station as a source of power.

332 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:10pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

That's one possibility. Another is that we're whisked into the Mirror, Mirror universe, where Charles has a goatee, and puts up threads that quote extensively (and approvingly) from Dude, Where's My Country?.

And Markos Moulitsas busted Dan Rather with a throbbing memo and made Dailykos a cutting-edge conservative blog.

333 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:12pm

re: #321 sattv4u2

Kinda like a squatting ovation. Better thatn normal applause, but not quit worth the effort of standing.

334 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:31pm

re: #324 So?

Hope she wasn't too quick, for your sake.

naaah ,,,, but she could make a quarter disappear without using her hands, feet or mouth ,,, real quick

335 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:35pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Anybody else get the feeling from that Biden "Hillary is more qualified to be VP than me" "slip" might actually be some battlefield prep work for the possibility he might "have to resign because of health reasons"?

No- I think it's pandering. 0bama is hemorrhaging money and I don't think they can afford to replace the campaign materials.

336 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:37pm

re: #304 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Two thumbs. Assorted other injuries, but they just "add character" and impress chicks (at least that's what my 18 year old son would tell me...)

Thanks for your service,sir.

337 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:51pm

re: #323 Killian Bundy

Well, it's buried underground.

/probably a good reason for that

squirrels bury their nuts too!

338 Sparkizzy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:01pm

re: #313 WriterMom

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

If you're a Palli activist, you wind up stuck in Gaza.

340 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:19pm

re: #329 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

So sorry to hear this. May his memory be a blessing. How hard for you and your family.

341 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:25pm

re: #321 sattv4u2

guess that means you'll never co-host that movie review show ,,,, you know,, the one where the hosts give 0, 1, or 2 thumbs up !

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD

Nope, I am so there, dude... the Army paid the freight for the guy I refer to as Doctor Frankenstein to move my index fingers to act as thumbs.

"Stiff and sore" just like he promised, but I can do a mean thumbs up.

342 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:31pm

re: #296 Dustoff-507

AS I said before. Know one knows? Same as the first nuke test?


I'm not losing any sleep over it, what happens, happens. Unlike the Indian lass who suicided over the matter.

343 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:33pm

re: #334 sattv4u2

now that's just nasty.
I hope you didn't ask for change.

344 Globular Cluster  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:49pm

They did smash any ions this test. Minor correction.

Anyway, people don't seem to understand that a black hole the size of a subatomic particle is certain to evaporate by Hawking's laws in millionths of second, because black holes emit radiation.

345 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:50pm

re: #290 Palandine

I vaguely remember them saying in high school physics that if you were sucked into a black hole, you'd be able to see the back of your own head before it was over.

Actually you wouldn't because as you are being stretched miles long as you accelerate toward the center of the black hole, the photons would also be accelerating in the same direction. But you would already be dead from the gravity long before you were "sucked in".

346 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:37:06pm

re: #334 sattv4u2

naaah ,,,, but she could make a quarter disappear without using her hands, feet or mouth ,,, real quick

Quick, send her to CERN, they could use her if the collider breaks down.

347 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:37:38pm

re: #317 David IV of Georgia

Synopsis of an Eastern Orthodox wedding:

Glory to Thee, our God, glory to Thee!

Grant them glory and honor.

Then why does it take an hour and a half to get to the reception?

348 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:37:44pm

re: #341 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, I am so there, dude... the Army paid the freight for the guy I refer to as Doctor Frankenstein to move my index fingers to act as thumbs.

"Stiff and sore" just like he promised, but I can do a mean thumbs up.

I bet you can!

AND ,, more important ,,,,, on behalf of my 14 year old son'


THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

349 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:38:10pm

re: #331 LudwigVanQuixote

Could it (theoretically at least) recharge a battery?

350 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:38:22pm

re: #317 David IV of Georgia

Synopsis of an Eastern Orthodox wedding:

Glory to Thee, our God, glory to Thee!

Grant them glory and honor.

Are they like the wedding in The Deer Hunter?

351 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:38:36pm

re: #343 sojerofgod

now that's just nasty.
I hope you didn't ask for change.

I did ,,, and was I surprised when she ,,.,,, ummm,,, shall we say spit out 2 dimes and a nickle !

352 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:38:57pm

re: #256 A Kiwi Infidel

In that event it is a statistical certainty that somewhere in the world someone (man or woman) will be achieving orgasm.

"Oh my God OH MY GOD..................................... ."

Actually, given time dilation, if you orbited the right way as you fell in, to someone outside the black hole, you would be orgasming for eons. It is certainly a seriously manly way to check out. Certainly more cool than popping a beer and riding a Harley off of Mount Everest.

Unfortunately, in your reference frame time would flow at the same rate you always notice it to, and you would eventually die a hideous death fried by radiation before you were ripped apart to a sub-atomic level.

353 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:03pm

re: #344 Globular Cluster

I kind of though something like that.
Wouldn't the law of conservation of energy prevent this from being self-sustaining?

I'm totally talking out my a$$ here but it sounds good.

354 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:10pm

re: #340 WriterMom

So sorry to hear this. May his memory be a blessing. How hard for you and your family.

40 years this past August (16 Aug 68, 101st Abn, B/502). I wish I knew him better, I was 7 at the time and a little spoiled brat.

355 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:27pm

re: #264 Outrider

I remember when they first built the nuke plant in Russelville, Arkansas thereby allowing many folks in NW Arkansas to have electricity in their homes not too many years ago. A whole lot of people refused to use it at first because of the fear they would be irradiated from the electricity.

The same ignorance results in people dying from preventable bacterial food poisonings when fresh food could be irradiated, stay fresh longer without chemical preservatives, and not go to waste. But we can't do it, because it's scary "radiation"!

(Better give up your microwave oven then.)

356 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:30pm

re: #313 WriterMom

She makes Billy Carter look like an urbane man of the world.

Nothing is funnier than a dipshit with conviction.

357 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:37pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

No- I think it's pandering. 0bama is hemorrhaging money and I don't think they can afford to replace the campaign materials.

Spelled Obama with a 0 (zero). Quality use of alphanumerics.

358 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:45pm

re: #315 So?

A double boson...

Dichotomous interuptus.

359 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:48pm

re: #349 Cap'n DOC

I heard someone is working on a way to recharge appliances wirelessly. Let me see if I can find it on google.

360 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:53pm

re: #288 Sparkizzy

Zell Miller rocks!

Thanks for that link. Without a doubt, Zell won 04 for Bush.

361 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:54pm

re: #319 sojerofgod

A frayed knot!

ah yes, a gordian particle.

362 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:56pm

I like the worm hole theory where time travelers from another dimension come and visit.

363 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:40:07pm

re: #345 David IV of Georgia

Actually you wouldn't because as you are being stretched miles long as you accelerate toward the center of the black hole, the photons would also be accelerating in the same direction. But you would already be dead from the gravity long before you were "sucked in".


You would be dead due to physical disruption but would you know it? Could conciousness survive a fraction of a second that would feel like an eternity?

364 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:40:13pm

re: #344 Globular Cluster

They did smash any ions this test. Minor correction.

Anyway, people don't seem to understand that a black hole the size of a subatomic particle is certain to evaporate by Hawking's laws in millionths of second, because black holes emit radiation.

/okay, since the professional physicist seems to have bailed, what do you make of string theory?

365 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:40:17pm

re: #339 Ojoe

The shadows fly eastward as the sun goes west. San Gabriel Mountains, California, Pacific time zone. (Towercam.)

I always look forward to Ojoe stopping in in the evening!
:-)

Lovely view as always!

366 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:40:23pm

re: #313 WriterMom

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

Whoa, ynet didnt like me, crashed everything

367 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:40:30pm

re: #358 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Dichotomous interuptus.

Or double infinity.

368 straitcircle  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:09pm

We are attempting to recreate "creation." question? does this constatute "intelligent design?" Or humn blunder?

369 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:19pm

re: #352 LudwigVanQuixote


I think I needed to know that ......?.........?

370 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:25pm

re: #362 So?

Doesn't that have something to do with anal probing?

371 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:30pm

re: #329 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

His name's on the Wall. I made my trip three years ago. Remember it like it was yesterday. God Bless him and keep him.

372 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:43pm

re: #264 Outrider

I remember when they first built the nuke plant in Russelville, Arkansas thereby allowing many folks in NW Arkansas to have electricity in their homes not too many years ago. A whole lot of people refused to use it at first because of the fear they would be irradiated from the electricity.

And there you have the unfortunate level of science education in America.

373 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:49pm

re: #362 So?

I like the worm hole theory where time travelers from another dimension come and visit.

If time travel were possible we would have already been overrun with tourists from the future.

374 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:42:05pm

re: #365 jcm

I always look forward to Ojoe stopping in in the evening!
:-)

Lovely view as always!


I can smell the air......

375 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:42:30pm

re: #313 WriterMom

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

'It's as bad as Darfur'
When asked about Israel's right to respond to incessant attacks emanating from Gaza, Booth evoked Holocaust-related rhetoric. "There is no right to punish people this way. There is no justification for this kind of collective punishment. You were in the concentration camps, and I can’t believe that you are allowing the creation of such a camp yourselves.”

holy shit

376 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:42:37pm

re: #368 straitcircle

Vanity.

It constitutes hubris of the first order.

377 jaunte  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:42:49pm

re: #373 Alouette

They always bring their invisibility cloaks with them...

378 goofeeem  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:42:56pm

re: #368 straitcircle

Human's thinking they are God - Adam never should have eaten the apple

379 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:43:00pm

re: #371 Cap'n DOC

His name's on the Wall. I made my trip three years ago. Remember it like it was yesterday. God Bless him and keep him.

Yes, it is... I've not seen it (yet) but my sister went and got a pencil image of it on a scrap of paper.

/Thanks guys. Let's go back to Bosons or Bisons... this is hard.

380 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:43:03pm

re: #349 Cap'n DOC

Could it (theoretically at least) recharge a battery?

Theoretically it could replace batteries. A long lasting sub-atomic generator.

381 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:43:26pm

re: #373 Alouette

If time travel were possible we would have already been overrun with tourists from the future.


Only in some of the timelines.

382 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:43:37pm

re: #373 Alouette
So we would be living in a large, free range zoo?

Cool! throw me some more meat, zookeeper!

383 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:43:41pm

re: #347 HoosierHoops

Then why does it take an hour and a half to get to the reception?

Repetition. Actually the service can be done in thirty minutes if the priest doesn't wax eloquent in a sermon. Should I get married, I'll try to get a bishop—they've learned to wax eloquent concisely.

384 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:44:01pm

Remote power transmission has been tested at the range of a few miles, if I remember correctly, used to work on space power programs but it was few years ago. Powering cars would be tough because the power density of the beam needed for a receiver the size of the car would be pretty high plus it would have to be directed at the car, so the transmitter would have to have line of sight with the car at all times. Laser beams provide the best transmission efficiency but generating the beams and adsorbing the power at the receiver is not very efficient. Microwaves can be generated and received very efficiently but do not transmit well without very large antennas.
Just blanketing an area with power would not work well. Solar will work if the vehicle is very light and there is strong sunlight, but is not practicable for most driving situations.
The plane we worked on was proposed to be like the solar powered vehicles that were used for high altitude research, except remote ground power would allow them to work at night as well as during the day as the current solar powered vehicles do.

385 kay1212  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:44:15pm

Off Topic

Chuck Norris was just on Larry King [west coast] and he kicked Ariana Huffington's butt. I tried to find the clip on Youtube and someone has posted a bit where he said he was undecided and might support a third candidate.

But after that, he definitely stated McCain/Palin and said Obama was not ready at all. Chuck Norris talked about bailouts and deficits and Ariana went into the Iraq war and Chuck Norris said, "I've been there twice. You've never been there. I've talked to the troops. We need to finish this." She was stunned.

It was great. [I wasnt't the person in this household who turned on Larry King but it turned out great.]

386 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:44:28pm

re: #357 David IV of Georgia

Spelled Obama with a 0 (zero). Quality use of alphanumerics.

Thank you.

Speaking of 0bama-

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday accused Republican John McCain's campaign of using "lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics" in claiming he used a sexist comment against vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

I know this has probably been discussed, but I'd just like to say.... you go, 0bama! Convince yourself this is "phony outrage". This attempt to react to the initial gaffe is almost as bad as the gaffe itself. He's trying to tell me I'm too stupid to know what it is I heard. Now that's insulting.

387 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:46:16pm

re: #350 lifeofthemind

Are they like the wedding in The Deer Hunter?

I've never seen Deer Hunter, but I have met the Orthodox priest who did that scene. I forget if they had an actual wedding for the movie—my church frowns on 'pretending' to do sacraments.

388 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:46:18pm

WHOA! Guest on H&C is getting het up and is flipping his lid! Yelling at Sean Hannity, and just said (paraphrasing here) that if Americans vote in John McCain, they're stupid!

:-0

389 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:46:25pm

re: #379 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, it is... I've not seen it (yet) but my sister went and got a pencil image of it on a scrap of paper.

/Thanks guys. Let's go back to Bosons or Bisons... this is hard.

Bless you sir...

390 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:04pm

re: #347 HoosierHoops

Then why does it take an hour and a half to get to the reception?

Ouzo's gotta chill.

391 Olderthandirt  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:19pm

One theory is that time dilates while in a black hole. We must have gotten into one now because it's certainly seems like it's forever before the Nov. 4th election.

OMG, they started it without telling us all!

392 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:20pm

re: #314 sojerofgod

Well, I guess it's better than listening to Vogon poetry.

393 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:24pm

re: #384 Fredlike

I would think that even if you had to pull off every 100 miles or so at a tower (instead of plugging in) it would be a worthwhile venture.

394 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:35pm

re: #385 kay1212

thank you, that was encouraging :)

395 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:52pm

re: #369 A Kiwi Infidel

I think I needed to know that ......?.........?

Sorry, I was just playing along...

396 goofeeem  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:53pm

re: #388 Intrepid

WHOA! Guest on H&C is getting het up and is flipping his lid! Yelling at Sean Hannity, and just said (paraphrasing here) that if Americans vote in John McCain, they're stupid!

:-0

OK OK who let Obama use the phone?

397 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:54pm

re: #388 Intrepid

WHOA! Guest on H&C is getting het up and is flipping his lid! Yelling at Sean Hannity, and just said (paraphrasing here) that if Americans vote in John McCain, they're stupid!

:-0

BWAHAHAHA!

398 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:48:29pm

re: #388 Intrepid

WHOA! Guest on H&C is getting het up and is flipping his lid! Yelling at Sean Hannity, and just said (paraphrasing here) that if Americans vote in John McCain, they're stupid!

:-0

Good for another couple of counties.

399 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:48:30pm

re: #384 Fredlike

Remote power transmission has been tested at the range of a few miles, if I remember correctly, used to work on space power programs but it was few years ago. Powering cars would be tough because the power density of the beam needed for a receiver the size of the car would be pretty high plus it would have to be directed at the car, so the transmitter would have to have line of sight with the car at all times. Laser beams provide the best transmission efficiency but generating the beams and adsorbing the power at the receiver is not very efficient. Microwaves can be generated and received very efficiently but do not transmit well without very large antennas.
Just blanketing an area with power would not work well. Solar will work if the vehicle is very light and there is strong sunlight, but is not practicable for most driving situations.
The plane we worked on was proposed to be like the solar powered vehicles that were used for high altitude research, except remote ground power would allow them to work at night as well as during the day as the current solar powered vehicles do.

We've gotten lasers to work (transmit power) at distances over 30 miles in good weather.

400 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:48:33pm

re: #385 kay1212

Off Topic

Chuck Norris was just on Larry King [west coast] and he kicked Ariana Huffington's butt.

Chuck Norris could kick Ariana Huffington's butt with one pinky toe while simultaneously kicking Markos, raimondo, firedoglake, and then after his warmup, throw Michael Moore off a mountainside and obliterate half of New Mexico.

401 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:05pm

re: #388 Intrepid

leftist meltdown is so fascinating to watch. Pass the popcorn.

402 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:06pm

One minute, I'm waiting for them to turn on the LHC, the next, I'm playing guitar at the Enchantment Under The Sea dance where my mom and dad kissed for the first time...

Stupid Doc Brown.

403 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:08pm

re: #398 lifeofthemind

Counties, Hell. How about states?

404 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:19pm

re: #384 Fredlike

Remote power transmission has been tested at the range of a few miles, if I remember correctly, used to work on space power programs but it was few years ago. Powering cars would be tough because the power density of the beam needed for a receiver the size of the car would be pretty high plus it would have to be directed at the car, so the transmitter would have to have line of sight with the car at all times. Laser beams provide the best transmission efficiency but generating the beams and adsorbing the power at the receiver is not very efficient. Microwaves can be generated and received very efficiently but do not transmit well without very large antennas.
Just blanketing an area with power would not work well. Solar will work if the vehicle is very light and there is strong sunlight, but is not practicable for most driving situations.
The plane we worked on was proposed to be like the solar powered vehicles that were used for high altitude research, except remote ground power would allow them to work at night as well as during the day as the current solar powered vehicles do.

Well said! What sort of work do you do? I assume Aerospace?

405 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:23pm

re: #386 Sharmuta

"swiftboat politics"

0bama continues to display stunning originality and that he really has his finger on the pulse of America.

406 esch  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:40pm

re: #359 Basho

I heard someone is working on a way to recharge appliances wirelessly. Let me see if I can find it on google.

I don't see any way to do that at any appreciable range without a host of undesirable and dangerous side effects.

407 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:44pm

Still like to know how they physically engineer the collision chamber to contain fast moving particles that can pass freely through solid matter.

/and whether string theory is valid

408 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:49pm

re: #370 sojerofgod

Doesn't that have something to do with anal probing?

You're confusing time travelers with extraterrestrials.

409 Carridine  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:17pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC Yes, Tesla devised a way to transmit power for FREE... and his patron-sponsor, Westinghouse, immediately cut off ALL FUNDS to Tesla, Doc!

410 BethesdaDog  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:27pm

Are you sure, Charles? Being out there on the west coast, the end might take a bit of time to reach you (different time zone, and all).

411 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:28pm

re: #313 WriterMom

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

She just needs a pancake and a Caterpillar (D-11).

412 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:41pm

re: #396 goofeeem

OK OK who let Obama use the phone?

This guy wrote a book saying that America needs Barack Obama's economic policies if there is any hope for the economy to recover. Hannity lit into him by saying that of course he would think that, he's a fan of Obama and is voting for him! Author dude and Hannity started going at it, and author even said "goddamn" about something.

I do not think this man will ever be a guest there again.

413 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:44pm

re: #393 Cap'n DOC

Believe me an electrical cord will be a lot cheaper. Remote power may work for some things but if a cord will reach use that first. I think battery powered cars will eventually get economical, there are some battery systems that are much more efficient than those being used now, but the technology is still years out.

414 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:59pm

re: #392 lawhawk

Well, I guess it's better than listening to Vogon poetry.

Ding! I love Douglas Adams resets.

415 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:51:00pm

re: #407 Killian Bundy

Still like to know how they physically engineer the collision chamber to contain fast moving particles that can pass freely through solid matter.

/and whether string theory is valid

Magnetic fields, huge superconducting magnets.

416 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:51:06pm

I wonder what Tesla would say.

417 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:51:37pm

re: #405 spidly

"swiftboat politics"

0bama continues to display stunning originality and that he really has his finger on the pulse of America.

it has never been more obvious that this hack is not presidential material.

418 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:51:44pm

re: #407 Killian Bundy

Still like to know how they physically engineer the collision chamber to contain fast moving particles that can pass freely through solid matter.

/and whether string theory is valid


Electro-magnets... and when the particles collide, they decay, fizzle, or "go somewhere"/

419 kay1212  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:02pm

re: #400 Alouette

Chuck Norris could kick Ariana Huffington's butt with one pinky toe while simultaneously kicking Markos, raimondo, firedoglake, and then after his warmup, throw Michael Moore off a mountainside and obliterate half of New Mexico.


He was amazing. He was as informed as anyone on the panel and I haven't seen anyone capable of shutting Huffington up like that. Maybe the clip will appear on YouTube.

420 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:05pm

re: #416 So?

I wonder what Tesla would say.

Shocking!

421 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:18pm

re: #373 Alouette

If time travel were possible we would have already been overrun with tourists from the future.

What if they are invisible?

422 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:36pm
423 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:53pm

re: #405 spidly

"swiftboat politics"

0bama continues to display stunning originality and that he really has his finger on the pulse of America.

And that pulse says "phony outrage". I sure hope he continues to tell himself that.

424 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:57pm

re: #415 jcm

Magnetic fields, huge superconducting magnets.

Thank you, that makes sense.

/sort of like a fusion experiment in reverse?

425 esch  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:53:01pm

re: #373 Alouette

If time travel were possible we would have already been overrun with tourists from the future.

Actually, I don't see any need to move matter through time. I would be perfectly satisfied with the ability to transfer information.

Any matter we would want to transfer through time already exists here in some form.

426 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:53:36pm

re: #351 sattv4u2

I did ,,, and was I surprised when she ,,.,,, ummm,,, shall we say spit out 2 dimes and a nickle !

Now that's change you can believe in!

427 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:53:51pm

re: #399 saberry0530

As i said I've been out of the loop for a few years. But laser can transmit very long distances, the problem is getting the beam generated and then turning it back into juice efficiently. Plus not too many people were really thrilled about having a 1 GW laser beam point at the earth from space.

428 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:53:51pm

re: #326 Piglet-U93

OT - The group the made the movie Obsession is releasing another movie in early October.

An unsolicited call I received today from a person claiming to be a representative from the group.

He stated the title of the new film but I got the impression it might change.

Strange thing was the call had no caller id, may be they are just being cautious.

He said he got my number from Amazon.com. In fact, I did order the movie Obsession from Amazon so it made sense.

I personally know some of the people who are working on it. I can verify that a "sequel" is well on the way.

429 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:54:04pm

Good night, dear Li