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Large Hadron Collider Tests A-OK

Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:21:40 pm PDT

Oh, by the way, they fired up the Large Hadron Collider over there in Switzerfrance this morning, and the world didn’t end! CERN Press Release – First beam in the LHC.

This was just a quick test, to show that the particle beams can be focused, shot around that 17-mile wheel of karma, and smashed into each other head-on at 99.9% light speed. We could still see the formation of a super-massive tiny black hole that would suck in the entire Milky Way galaxy in one cataclysmic nanosecond, next time they fire it up.

So we have that to look forward to.

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1 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:05pm

Impending black hole!

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:17pm

The Hadron Collider has more focus than the 0bama campaign.

3 stuiec  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:25pm

Gee, I hope they don't create a new universe with that thing. Because in a few billion years, there will be all these weird creatures debating whether there is a Large Hadron Collider....

4 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:27pm

It'll all end in tears.

Or in really cool subatomic physics stuff.

5 Zombie_Killian  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:30pm

Well, nice knowing all of you.

Wait- what now?

6 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:23:42pm

I was so looking forward to the ride into a black hole.

7 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:24:21pm

Well here's the good thing about uncontrolled black hole creation.

When it happens, it happens so fast you'll never kno

8 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:24:24pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

The Hadron Collider has more focus than the 0bama campaign.

But an Obama Presidency will foc us.

9 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:25:50pm

OMG OMG OMG
We're all gonna die!
Vote for Obama!

/moonbat

10 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:25:58pm

On the other hand, we wouldn't get to hear gems like from Joe Biden today. That would be real sad. How long before Obama wishes a black hole or stringlet or other exotic particle reaches out and grabs Biden and draws him into the 8th dimension?

11 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:26:17pm

Black hole, the movie.

12 krypto  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:26:33pm

I was kind of hoping that I'd wake up to find we'd fallen through the black hole into an alternate reality, one where I'm fantastically rich and Hillary instead of Obama is the candidate for President.

13 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:27:23pm

How do we know that something didn't happen? Maybe they got a black hole and we have all flipped into an alternate universe.

I'm sure the socks I put on this morning were black, not blue. And someone who looks like Madonna is sleeping in my bed.

This is a job for Coast to Coast!

14 Three Hundred  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:27:41pm

The Big Bang could have been an alien physics experiment gone horribly, horribly wrong. Maybe this time we are the aliens...

15 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:27:57pm

re: #6 jcm

I was so looking forward to the ride into a black hole.

RACIST!

/couldn't resist...

16 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:05pm

wheel of karma - black holes.
bring it on.

17 Dekar  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:12pm

What happens if you smash a Chuck Norris into a proton?

18 LEGION  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:27pm

re: #12 krypto

I was kind of hoping that I'd wake up to find we'd fallen through the black hole into an alternate reality, one where I'm fantastically rich and Hillarya normal patriotic decent democrat instead of Obama is the candidate for President.

Fixed it.

19 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:52pm

re: #10 lawhawk


How long before Obama wishes a black hole or stringlet or other exotic particle reaches out and grabs Biden and draws him into the 8th dimension?

He was exiled from there.

20 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:57pm

re: #15 goddessoftheclassroom

RACIST!

/couldn't resist...

ROFL!

21 BignJames  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:28:58pm

Used to play basketball w/a guy we called "the black hole"....if you passed him the ball, you'd never see it again.

22 Egfrow  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:29:45pm

Has anyone considered the possibility that they Indeed fired up the Collider and have indeed opened up a Black Hole and swallowed us all into it. Are are all now in another dimension. While the real world has been skewed to another time line. This would explain all the recent events we have experienced in the last few days. The Republicans are winning popular opinion, The Messiah is falling apart, The News Media has lost is power over people's thinking, We have a women VP who is being attacked by the entire planet and winning. The CERN collider has indeed ripped us into a New Dimension.

23 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:29:59pm

The Luddites are freaking out.....
MIT physicist gets death threats over collider experiment

24 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:30:20pm

re: #1 Outrider

Impending black hole!

Racist!

25 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:30:29pm

It'll be a month before they do any collisions.

/Don't celebrate our survival, yet.

(Besides, I'm still trying to get my arms around how a micro Black Hole can stay collapsed... not enough mass, based on my HS physics and astronomy studies... love to know more about that, any lizards up on that stuff?)

26 nightintheruts  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:30:32pm

so we could all disappear in a nanosecond and the Swiss would be to blame?

or we could float on a puff until some elephant far far away would hear and protect us?

what a long strange trip we're on...

27 Gonzolives  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:31:25pm

So this means I don't have to worry about cutting the lawn again?
Shucks, I just had a new driveway put in, too...aggravating.

Where will all of you be and what will you be doing when the black holes does its' thing?

I'll be on my lounge chair with my dog and a container of Ben 'N Jerry's on my lap. May as well be with those who are important to you.

28 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:13pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

The Luddites are freaking out.....
MIT physicist gets death threats over collider experiment

Moron's their brains are already black holes.......

29 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:14pm

Haven't you heard, there was a Super-massive tiny black hole that formed. Its just that the gravitational forces of the black hole prevent CERN from releasing any information about it. Time has slowed to the point in that region that it will probabaly be 2532 AD before we hear anything about it.

30 Cicero05  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:14pm

I've been wondering what I'd see out my window if a black hole was formed and began growing as it sucked in all the surrounding matter. I'm thinking noisy, but quick.

By the way, anyone know how long they need to find (or not find) a Higgs boson? Days? Weeks? Years?

31 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:15pm

i'm scared of black holes.
they have a huge appetite.
omnivores.

32 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:32pm

I think the collider is way cool!

There was this special on Discovery Channel, I think, last night that explained it in laymans terms. Excellent show.

I can't wait to hear what the results are!

33 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:33pm

Still one has to wonder if some of the more esoteric experiments with unknown and possibly catastrophic results would be better performed some place else, like outer space or something like that. Of course a black hole would probably destroy our solar system so anywhere within our system is off limits and we cannot perform these experiments extra-solar due to technology and financial constraints. I personally do not trust scientists after they all mostly bought into global warming!

34 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:37pm

I knew they were smashin' particles, dag nabbit... My knees got ta achin' an that's a sure sign!

Seriously, during the high energy tests planned for October, they could create a miniature black hole (or several of them). If they take hold of the matter stream from our universe, it will start with the Earth, and then everything in our universe... EVERYTHING will be engulfed by the horrendous gravitational pull. Stars will collapse, cats and dogs... living together...

...and I still think Obama would lose the election. ;)

35 maddogg  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:42pm

I'd hate to see France get into a sucking contest with a black hole.

36 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:45pm

Screw it, I'm buying that 2009 Event planner tomorrow.

37 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:45pm

Oh, remember its the tidal forces of the Black Hole that will get you, not just the extreme gravity.

So, when you get sucked into one, go in head first, that way you won't have to enjoy your feet getting ripped off.

/Just sayin'

38 goofeeem  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:32:51pm

Gee I wonder if gas prices will go up because of this too.......

39 USA  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:05pm

re: #10 lawhawk

On the other hand, we wouldn't get to hear gems like from Joe Biden today. That would be real sad. How long before Obama wishes a black hole or stringlet or other exotic particle reaches out and grabs Biden and draws him into the 8th dimension?

Wow! 0bama must be ready to pull Biden's plugs out! Dems are in meltdown.

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:14pm

Brian Cox: Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a twat.

/Scientific jargon

41 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:16pm

THEY MOVED THE ISLAND!

42 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:17pm

"Curse-a-you, Banzai!"

43 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:20pm

OMG - the Obama campaign just said the Hadron Collider is racist.

44 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:25pm
...and the world didn’t end


Guess I can't hold off paying that credit card bill any longer...

45 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:33:59pm

re: #36 rawmuse

Screw it, I'm buying that 2009 Event planner tomorrow.


YAY!

46 maddogg  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:34:02pm

re: #36 rawmuse

Screw it, I'm buying that 2009 Event planner tomorrow.

Your good to go............til Dec. 23, 2012 that is.

47 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:34:20pm

Remember, the Manhattan Project folks were running side bets on whether the atmosphere would burn off or not?

48 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:35:30pm

Seriously, there's no way they can physically engineer this thing to contain the intended aftermath of sub-sub-particles traveling at near light speed in random directions, they're too small and they'll travel through solid matter like a knife through butter.

I hope they get nice "photographs".

/not saying it'll be the end of the Earth, I just wouldn't want to be standing anywhere near it when they get it up to full speed collisions

49 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:35:37pm

re: #25 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

All of the particles they generate are very short lived (A billionth of a second or so). Anything they generate will be incredibly tiny and short lived.

50 bushleague  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:36:01pm

The NY times has the Typo Of the Year

"Large Hardon Collider"

(OK a bit dated but still hilarious)

51 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:36:18pm

re: #24 rawmuse

Okay... to be PC about it... it's a sphere of indeterminate shape and size, but extraordinary mass that will consume all particles within the event horizon.

/damn... some spheroid will find that offensive. or maybe the extraordinarily massed.

52 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:36:33pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Brian Cox: Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a twat.

/Scientific jargon

Pfft, we get sucked into, and pop out the other side. Happens all the time, some things get lost in the process. At least that how I explain it when I can't find the �^$% car keys.

53 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:37:05pm

re: #50 bushleague
Wife says that most every night. Whats the problem?


/but not really

54 flyovercountry  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:37:05pm

Not to mention, Gravity is a function of mass, and nothing more. A Black hole with the mass of a proton, has the same gravitational effect as a proton. A black Hole with the mass of a bowling ball, has the same gravitational effect as a bowling ball. Not all science experiments are bound to destroy the world

55 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:37:21pm

re: #48 Killian Bundy

This is just a cover story should something go wrong.

56 Cicero05  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:38:36pm

re: #47 unclassifiable

Remember, the Manhattan Project folks were running side bets on whether the atmosphere would burn off or not?

Always nice to know that the mad scientists are thinking about us.

57 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:38:43pm

re: #47 unclassifiable

Remember, the Manhattan Project folks were running side bets on whether the atmosphere would burn off or not?

Yep, and they were dead serious! They didn't think it would get hot enough to burn the atmosphere, but they didn't know. Later they found out just how hard it was to produce a fusion weapon, and to this day, fusion power technology has not been perfected.

58 krypto  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:38:58pm

re: #6 jcm

I was so looking forward to the ride into a black hole.

re: #15 goddessoftheclassroom

RACIST!

/couldn't resist...

Absolutely!

"Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price is sticking to his comments that the term "black hole," which a colleague used, is racist."
see [Link: www.townhall.com...]

59 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:39:40pm

re: #54 flyovercountry

Not to mention, Gravity is a function of mass, and nothing more. A Black hole with the mass of a proton, has the same gravitational effect as a proton. A black Hole with the mass of a bowling ball, has the same gravitational effect as a bowling ball. Not all science experiments are bound to destroy the world

But getting sucked in is much more sensational. Do go ruining all the excitement with you little "facts."
/

60 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:40:19pm

Rerun of the catchiest technical explanation ever.

61 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:40:35pm

re: #15 goddessoftheclassroom

RACIST!

/couldn't resist...


hey goddess.. i got a funny teacher story for you..still around?

62 Macker  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:40:42pm

Hey bopone, why the downding?

63 joncelli  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:41:06pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Actually we were all destroyed but BushCoHalliburton is covering it up! Like, OMG! Impeach!

64 jones  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:41:28pm

BOOM!


Ha ha, just fooling moonbats.

65 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:41:47pm

Subtext: Adolescent males attempt to convince girls that it is the 'End of the World' and well......
/same subtext fits everywhere

66 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:41:57pm

re: #54 flyovercountry

Not to mention, Gravity is a function of mass, and nothing more. A Black hole with the mass of a proton, has the same gravitational effect as a proton. A black Hole with the mass of a bowling ball, has the same gravitational effect as a bowling ball. Not all science experiments are bound to destroy the world

You are forgetting density.

67 JeremyR  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:42:02pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

All of the particles they generate are very short lived (A billionth of a second or so). Anything they generate will be incredibly tiny and short lived.

Like a democrat campaign promise seen in slow mo.

68 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:42:55pm

If we don't get done in by a physical singularity, I'm unleasing superior artificial intelligence to spawn a technological singularity so I don't ever have to hear Randi Rhodes open her piehole ever again.

69 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:43:51pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

All of the particles they generate are very short lived (A billionth of a second or so). Anything they generate will be incredibly tiny and short lived.

For all the bizzaro particles, sure, but some micro-blackhole wouldn't have a shelf life like some sort of freak Muon. Right?

Sure, it's a point, with the gravitational pull of a proton ... and it will take years for another particle to get close enough to get sucked in (assuming such a thing can happen... making it have the gravitational pull of two protons.)

Like I said... a black hole that small doesn't make sense to me. Can it fall apart like those freak particles?

70 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:44:07pm
You are forgetting density.

No name for name calling. heh

71 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:44:19pm

What's the carbon footprint of a large hadron anyway?

72 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:45:10pm

...or, no "need" for name calling.
(I'm painting over here... it's the fumes.)

73 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:45:11pm

OT
Realclear poll results for Wednesday and Thursday:

Thursday, September 11
Race Poll Results Spread
Alaska Rasmussen McCain 64, Obama 33 McCain +31
New Mexico Rasmussen Obama 47, McCain 49 McCain +2
Michigan CNN/Time Obama 49, McCain 45 Obama +4
Virginia CNN/Time McCain 50, Obama 46 McCain +4
Missouri CNN/Time McCain 50, Obama 45 McCain +5
New Hampshire CNN/Time Obama 51, McCain 45 Obama +6
Wednesday, September 10
Race Poll Results Spread
North Carolina PPP (D) McCain 48, Obama 44 McCain +4
National FOX News McCain 45, Obama 42 McCain +3
Montana Rasmussen McCain 53, Obama 42 McCain +11
National Gallup Tracking McCain 48, Obama 43 McCain +5
National Hotline/FD Tracking McCain 45, Obama 45 Tie
National Rasmussen Tracking McCain 47, Obama 48 Obama +1
National NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl McCain 45, Obama 46 Obama +1
North Carolina SurveyUSA McCain 58, Obama 38 McCain +20
Pennsylvania Strategic Vision (R) Obama 47, McCain 45 Obama +2
New Jersey Fairleigh Dickinson Obama 47, McCain 41 Obama +6

Note: New Mexicao shading towards McCain, Michigan and Pennsylvania within strike range and New Jersey possibly in play.

74 joncelli  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:45:18pm

re: #71 itellu3times

Depends on whether they drive little tiny Hummers.

75 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:45:47pm

re: #57 LoFlyer

Yeah but one of the one's on the side bet losers was Edwin Teller -- one of the principal designers of the H-bomb.

I always thought that must of been one hell of a science experiment to witness -- probably the most spectacular in history.

Imagine. You don't know if it will really work. And you don't know what it will do if it does and BOOM!

...you're still alive.

76 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:45:51pm

re: #30 Cicero05

I've been wondering what I'd see out my window if a black hole was formed and began growing as it sucked in all the surrounding matter. I'm thinking noisy, but quick.

By the way, anyone know how long they need to find (or not find) a Higgs boson? Days? Weeks? Years?

I think their estimated target date range is something like 7-15 years, but don't quote me on that.

77 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:14pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

Rerun of the catchiest technical explanation ever.

Cool vid, and I am not into rap!

78 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:21pm

re: #71 itellu3times

A largish earthquake in say, Iran......

79 Luigi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:34pm
We could still see the formation of a super-massive tiny black hole that would suck in the entire Milky Way galaxy in one cataclysmic nanosecond, next time they fire it up.

Rules clearly state whoever's ahead at that point wins the election.

80 mattm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:51pm

At least we would not to have to worry about global warming.

81 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:55pm

re: #69 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Like I said... a black hole that small doesn't make sense to me. Can it fall apart like those freak particles?

Supposed to be possible, but something that small should eat a few rocks and then explode.

Seems very (, very ...) unlikely even something like that could be created here.

82 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:56pm

re: #65 lifeofthemind

Subtext: Adolescent males attempt to convince girls that it is the 'End of the World' and well......
/same subtext fits everywhere

Ah yes, I remember my high school homecoming queen, sublime of grace and beauty. I cultivated a picture of the two of us in a bomb shelter. Thing was, this was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and so the fancy did not seem so implausible.

83 wiffersnapper  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:46:56pm

Just skimming the headline I swear it said "Large Hardon Collider." :(

84 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:05pm

re: #58 krypto

Absolutely!

"Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price is sticking to his comments that the term "black hole," which a colleague used, is racist."
see [Link: www.townhall.com...]

So is picnic, niggardly, and computer master and slave hardware.

85 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:17pm

re: #68 Son Of The Godfather

If we don't get done in by a physical singularity, I'm unleasing superior artificial intelligence to spawn a technological singularity so I don't ever have to hear Randi Rhodes open her piehole ever again.

The Atomic Booze Bomb?

86 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:25pm

I prefer to call it the Large Hardon Collider.

/Saw that in a rag.

87 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:29pm

I hope the last words one of the scientists says as they flip on the collider is "Here, hold mah beer. Watch this!..." ;)

88 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:41pm

re: #73 lifeofthemind

New Mexico Rasmussen Obama 47, McCain 49 McCain +2

YES!1! Take that, Bill Richardson!

89 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:42pm

re: #78 tradewind

A largish earthquake in say, Iran......

oops, ...

... do it again!

90 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:47:45pm

re: #68 Son Of The Godfather

If we don't get done in by a physical singularity, I'm unleasing superior artificial intelligence to spawn a technological singularity so I don't ever have to hear Randi Rhodes open her piehole ever again.

ok i dinged you up..and i laughed..but i have heard all about randi but have never heard her..free speech is a beautiful thing..My son serves in the Marines and a tour of Iraq to give us free speech..tree squatters, moonbats and the like...americans are amazing people aren't they?
/did you see the history channel show on the collider last night? amazing!

91 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:48:19pm

re: #47 unclassifiable

Remember, the Manhattan Project folks were running side bets on whether the atmosphere would burn off or not?

That was Edward Teller's idea of a joke, IIRC.

92 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:48:42pm

re: #85 unclassifiable

She's been off the air a while, hasn't she?
Just one of those small blessings.

93 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:48:54pm

re: #7 unclassifiable

Well here's the good thing about uncontrolled black hole creation.

When it happens, it happens so fast you'll never kno

I wonder where that lizard used to live.

94 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:48:57pm

re: #83 wiffersnapper

Just skimming the headline I swear it said "Large Hardon Collider." :(

Was it at the Folsom St. Fair?

95 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:49:10pm

I'm getting a picture of this acting like that oversized worm in the movie "Dune". You know, sucking stuff right out of the sand.

Like that.

/channeling TFK

96 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:49:41pm

re: #90 HoosierHoops


Yup, it was pretty freakin' awesome.

97 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:49:56pm

re: #77 LoFlyer

Cool vid, and I am not into rap!

Me neither, and I love that thing!

98 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:49:57pm

I wonder if the super-duper collider thingy is responsible for the fact that within the span of a week, this election has gone from the libs taking bets on when McCain would dump Palin from the ticket to everyone else wondering when Obama will dump Biden from the ticket.

This is an absolutely astonishing election - a rating of 10 boxes on the popcorn meter.

99 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:49:59pm

re: #94 rawmuse

Was it at the Folsom St. Fair?

/LOL!

100 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:50:14pm

This is all gonna be over shortly. The Galactic Mr. Wizard Club will show up and tell the boys to quit playing with their toy, it is fouling up some serious experiments being carried out elsewhere. like Tau Ceti, Betelguese, etc...

101 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:50:19pm

re: #81 itellu3times

Supposed to be possible, but something that small should eat a few rocks and then explode.

Seems very (, very ...) unlikely even something like that could be created here.

Especially since colliders were designed to break things apart, too much energy to fuse them together.

Talk about your bulls-eye. :-)

/Anybody know of any good things to read on the theoretical physics of micro-black holes?

102 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:50:49pm

Aha, I see on Drudge that Obama on Letterman has esplained hisself:

Obama On Letterman: 'McCain Policy Is The Pig'

I feel so much better now, how about you?

/lipstick on a sarc

103 JeremyR  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:51:27pm

re: #94 rawmuse

Was it at the Folsom St. Fair?

Upding? Down ding? can't decide, disgusting in a funny way.

104 ludwigvanquixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:51:31pm

Just a physics perspective... from an actual physicist - who used to work in particle theory...

The possibility of tiny black holes is very remote. If they did form, they would have no more than a few TeV mass. This is because we are only dealing with TeV beams. The kind of black holes that you might think of from movies would be on the order of 10^30 times more massive.

What this means is that they could not possibly be any threat because of Hawking Radiation.

Black holes radiate. The smaller they are the faster they radiate. Something this tiny would evaporate almost instantaneously.

This is what happens when the MSM is looking for something sensational to write about without bothering to check the physics first. It is all Bullsh!t of the worst sort.

105 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:51:57pm

re: #82 ContraJihadi

Ah yes, I remember my high school homecoming queen, sublime of grace and beauty. I cultivated a picture of the two of us in a bomb shelter. Thing was, this was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and so the fancy did not seem so implausible.


If you were really good you would have gotten her to inspect the shelter and arranged for a friend to rig a fake new broadcast to convince her that it was for a Soviet attack and it would be her duty to ensure the survival of the human species.

106 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:05pm

re: #78 tradewind

A largish earthquake in say, Iran......

Magnitude
6.1
Date-Time
Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 11:00:35 UTC
Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 02:30:35 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location
26.862°N, 55.801°E
Depth
15 km (9.3 miles) set by location program
Region
SOUTHERN IRAN
Distances
60 km (35 miles) SW of Bandar-e Abbas, Iran
85 km (50 miles) NNW of Al Khasab, Oman
120 km (75 miles) N of Ra's al Khaymah, United Arab Emirates
1065 km (660 miles) SSE of TEHRAN, Iran
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 5.2 km (3.2 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters
NST=138, Nph=138, Dmin=69.9 km, Rmss=1.09 sec, Gp= 36°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=A
Source
USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID
us2008wua9

107 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:15pm

re: #94 rawmuse

Was it at the Folsom St. Fair?

Why, Rawmuse, I didn't know you were such a wag.

108 ludwigvanquixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:25pm

re: #76 really grumpy big dog Johnson

We could have found it ten years ago if not for the foolishness of congress and the politics of DC when the SSC got scuttled.

109 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:34pm

re: #102 itellu3times

To paraphrase an Obama quote: He must think we're stupid.

110 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:45pm

Where is the update showing NM as McCain lead? I just looked at RealClear than they still show Obama up by 2.3% in NM.

111 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:48pm

re: #102 itellu3times

Aha, I see on Drudge that Obama on Letterman has esplained hisself:

Obama On Letterman: 'McCain Policy Is The Pig'

I feel so much better now, how about you?

/lipstick on a sarc

Ultimate muslim slur.

112 Talking Stick  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:50pm

Powerful article by Jeff Lord in The Spectator about the trashing of Sarah Palin by liberal media elites - a must read!

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

113 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:51pm

re: #101 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Some mentioned a book (layman variety) on Physics - something akin to Physics for Dummies.

114 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:52:56pm

re: #101 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

/Anybody know of any good things to read on the theoretical physics of micro-black holes?

GIYF:
[Link: www.google.com...]

The wikipedia entry seems an OK place to start.

115 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:53:29pm

Let's open up the singularity, have it suck up all the global warming and all these "carbon footprints" I've yet to actually see, and close the sucker back up.

That way, the hippies won't have anything to bitch about...

And when the aliens from the dimension we sent our ca-ca to come to investigate, we give 'em Gore.

116 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:53:36pm

re: #84 jcm

So is picnic, niggardly, and computer master and slave hardware.


Do you know Plumbers order things according to whether they have "male" or "female" end fittings?

117 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:54:02pm

re: #105 lifeofthemind

If you were really good you would have gotten her to inspect the shelter and arranged for a friend to rig a fake new broadcast to convince her that it was for a Soviet attack and it would be her duty to ensure the survival of the human species.

Ah, Lifeofthemind, if only I had had you as a friend in those faraway days. What dreams could have come true!

118 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:54:23pm

re: #107 ContraJihadi

Why, Rawmuse, I didn't know you were such a wag.

I refer to them as huskers. You have your half-huskers, your full huskers, and then the husker and a half, maybe even a double husker.

119 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:54:49pm

re: #104 ludwigvanquixote

Just a physics perspective... from an actual physicist - who used to work in particle theory...

The possibility of tiny black holes is very remote. If they did form, they would have no more than a few TeV mass. This is because we are only dealing with TeV beams. The kind of black holes that you might think of from movies would be on the order of 10^30 times more massive.

What this means is that they could not possibly be any threat because of Hawking Radiation.

Black holes radiate. The smaller they are the faster they radiate. Something this tiny would evaporate almost instantaneously.

This is what happens when the MSM is looking for something sensational to write about without bothering to check the physics first. It is all Bullsh!t of the worst sort.

Excellent! That makes sense. The thing would vaporize due to the quantum properties of particles near their event horizon... now I'm ... oops, no I'm not.

Cool.

120 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:54:49pm

re: #50 bushleague

The NY times has the Typo Of the Year

"Large Hardon Collider"

(OK a bit dated but still hilarious)

Soon to be the title of a gay pr0n DVD video release.

121 jim in virginia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:03pm

I feel the earth move!
CNN breaking news, 6.6 earthquake in Indonesia, 7.2 in Japan. I blame the Hadron supercollider.

122 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:36pm

re: #72 Son Of The Godfather

...or, no "need" for name calling.
(I'm painting over here... it's the fumes.)

Sure, like we are going to buy that story

123 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:50pm

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]
Sorry if this has been linked before...

124 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:51pm

re: #61 HoosierHoops

hey goddess.. i got a funny teacher story for you..still around?

Yes, here I am!

125 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:52pm

OT, here is a my repost from the last thread as it was dying. I believe it has relevance in this years campaign:
"I am wondering if this long election cycle has run for the Democrats disadvantage. The American media has not helped the process one bit by anointing Obama as the "Chosen one" and refusing to ask even the simplest basic questions of his ideology and associates for the last 18 months whilst transforming themselves into attack pit-bulls when Palin is announced as McCain's running mate. Hillary would of won the Democrat nomination if the media had done its job professionally and ethically. They chose not to. The Democrats nominated a very weak, extremely liberal politician who cannot win if he reveals his true ideology and aspirations. The Republican's meanwhile have laid it on the line with McCain's heartfelt acceptance speech. Obama is in a death spiral and the media spin machine has the controls locked...."
One has to wonder if Hillary had been the Democrats candidate it would of totally nullified Palin as viable candidate. McCain is in the drivers seat and Obama is eating dust!

126 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:55:59pm

re: #22 Egfrow

Funny, but if we were sucked into a black hole we would die most gruesomely. The gravity is strong enough to not just rip you apart, not even just rip apart your atoms but rip apart the very nuclii of your atoms.

127 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:56:32pm

I think it's where some of the particles might go that is interesting...

"Where" may not even be the correct terminology.

128 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:56:36pm

re: #104 ludwigvanquixote

Just a physics perspective... from an actual physicist - who used to work in particle theory...

The possibility of tiny black holes is very remote. If they did form, they would have no more than a few TeV mass. This is because we are only dealing with TeV beams. The kind of black holes that you might think of from movies would be on the order of 10^30 times more massive.

What this means is that they could not possibly be any threat because of Hawking Radiation.

Black holes radiate. The smaller they are the faster they radiate. Something this tiny would evaporate almost instantaneously.

This is what happens when the MSM is looking for something sensational to write about without bothering to check the physics first. It is all Bullsh!t of the worst sort.

You are such a kill joy!
/ ;-

129 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:56:52pm

Thanks for the links, guys...

130 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:56:54pm

re: #106 jcm

Next one's up to the IDF....

131 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:57:00pm

re: #95 Cap'n DOC

Too much proper punctuation, capitalization, and not enough name homonyms.

(i think i said that right)

I like tfk. His writing makes you use parts of your brain you just do not use that often.

When I first started here I had to read his stuff two times.

In the middle of the second reading a big smile would develop on my face.

132 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:57:13pm

re: #122 saberry0530

Sure, like we are going to buy that story


My story, stickin' to it! heh

133 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:57:44pm

re: #21 BignJames

Used to play basketball w/a guy we called "the black hole"....if you passed him the ball, you'd never see it again.

RACIST!

//

134 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:58:04pm

re: #47 unclassifiable

Remember, the Manhattan Project folks were running side bets on whether the atmosphere would burn off or not?

I'm convinced that everyone who was on earth back then died, except I lived on because of my amazing imagination. I came up with the Dan Rather/Throb thing as well.

135 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:58:16pm

re: #108 ludwigvanquixote

We could have found it ten years ago if not for the foolishness of congress and the politics of DC when the SSC got scuttled.

Not to mention the end of Apollo and the submission to the anti-nuke nutjobs. Thank you DC for crippling American science and discovery!

136 filetandrelease  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:58:45pm

Biden " Hillary would have been a better pick"

Probably already posted, but that is priceless.

137 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:01pm

re: #73 lifeofthemind

If McCain could win Michigan, it'd be a rout. But I can't imagine, with Detroit, Dearbornistan, etc....... those cities will be teeming with community organizers from now 'til November......

138 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:04pm

re: #84 jcm

Crap. Why don't you just call a spade a spade?

139 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:24pm

Yeah, listen everybody,
I don't even know what this forum's about, BUT, I just want the world to know that MATT DAMON IS THE BIGGEST dick THAT HAS EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH!

I don't apologize.....He IS A BIG dick!


I feel GREAT!1

140 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:30pm

re: #104 ludwigvanquixote

Just a physics perspective... from an actual physicist - who used to work in particle theory...

The possibility of tiny black holes is very remote. If they did form, they would have no more than a few TeV mass. This is because we are only dealing with TeV beams. The kind of black holes that you might think of from movies would be on the order of 10^30 times more massive.

What this means is that they could not possibly be any threat because of Hawking Radiation.

Black holes radiate. The smaller they are the faster they radiate. Something this tiny would evaporate almost instantaneously.

This is what happens when the MSM is looking for something sensational to write about without bothering to check the physics first. It is all Bullsh!t of the worst sort.

It seems to me that if a hyperdense particle or micro-black hole were created from such a small mass that 'normal' physics would quickly take over. While energy is applied, the particle can remain hyperdense. As soon as the energy quit squashing the particle, it has no reason to remain in its unstable state. In a actual blackhole, the energy crushing the particles doesn't cease because of the gravity of the massive mass.

141 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:30pm

re: #132 Son Of The Godfather

My story, stickin' paintin' to it! heh

better

142 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:35pm

re: #25 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It'll be a month before they do any collisions.

/Don't celebrate our survival, yet.

(Besides, I'm still trying to get my arms around how a micro Black Hole can stay collapsed... not enough mass, based on my HS physics and astronomy studies... love to know more about that, any lizards up on that stuff?)

A small black hole should evaporate very quickly.
Black holes evaporate. This was Hawking's big discovery; I think it was his PhD thesis. He found that to be able to assign a temperature to a black hole, and to have entropy increase, the black holes had to evaporate.

What happens is, the universe is full of virtual particles. A particle and its antiparticle come into existence, and then recombine and disappear. Conservation of energy is violated for a very short time, but this is allowed by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle (which ties together energy and time the same way it ties position and momentum).
If this happens near a black hole, and one particle falls in, the other one becomes real, and the energy comes from the black hole.

143 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 5:59:38pm

re: #121 jim in virginia

I feel the earth move!
CNN breaking news, 6.6 earthquake in Indonesia, 7.2 in Japan. I blame the Hadron supercollider.

Magnitude
6.9
Date-Time
Thursday, September 11, 2008 at 00:20:52 UTC
Thursday, September 11, 2008 at 09:20:52 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location
41.979°N, 143.625°E
Depth
35 km (21.7 miles) set by location program
Region
HOKKAIDO, JAPAN REGION
Distances
125 km (80 miles) SSW of Kushiro, Hokkaido, Japan
225 km (140 miles) SSE of Asahikawa, Hokkaido, Japan
225 km (140 miles) ESE of Sapporo, Hokkaido, Japan
775 km (485 miles) NNE of TOKYO, Japan
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 7.7 km (4.8 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters
NST=184, Nph=184, Dmin=252.2 km, Rmss=1.21 sec, Gp= 61°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=7
Source
USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID
us2008wvag

Magnitude
6.6
Date-Time
Thursday, September 11, 2008 at 00:00:02 UTC
Thursday, September 11, 2008 at 09:00:02 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location
1.865°N, 127.439°E
Depth
93.1 km (57.9 miles)
Region
HALMAHERA, INDONESIA
Distances
120 km (75 miles) N of Ternate, Moluccas, Indonesia
290 km (180 miles) E of Manado, Sulawesi, Indonesia
1575 km (980 miles) SSE of MANILA, Philippines
2460 km (1530 miles) ENE of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 9.4 km (5.8 miles); depth +/- 28.5 km (17.7 miles)
Parameters
NST= 33, Nph= 33, Dmin=>999 km, Rmss=0.55 sec, Gp= 47°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=6
Source
USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID
us2008wvab

144 JeremyR  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:00pm

re: #118 rawmuse

I refer to them as huskers. You have your half-huskers, your full huskers, and then the husker and a half, maybe even a double husker.

Nebraska is over flowing with Huskers. Easy to spot, they love to wear red.

145 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:01pm

re: #130 tradewind

Next one's up to the IDF....

Or us......

146 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:31pm

re: #102 itellu3times

Aha, I see on Drudge that Obama on Letterman has esplained hisself:

Obama On Letterman: 'McCain Policy Is The Pig'

I feel so much better now, how about you?

/lipstick on a sarc

Keep the lipstick coming:

You can contact us by mail at:
Obama for America
P.O. Box 8102
Chicago, IL 60680

/he prefers blue to match his lips

147 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:37pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny, but if we were sucked into a black hole we would die most gruesomely. The gravity is strong enough to not just rip you apart, not even just rip apart your atoms but rip apart the very nuclii of your atoms.

It is possible that you would experience an infinitesimally small moment of painful sensation at disruption and that the actual experience of falling into the hole may feel almost infinitely drawn out. Or not.

148 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:38pm

Interesting....

149 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:40pm

re: #140 David IV of Georgia

It seems to me that if a hyperdense particle or micro-black hole were created from such a small mass that 'normal' physics would quickly take over. While energy is applied, the particle can remain hyperdense. As soon as the energy quit squashing the particle, it has no reason to remain in its unstable state. In a actual blackhole, the energy crushing the particles doesn't cease because of the gravity of the massive mass.

Congratulations, you just qualified as Obama's Secretary of Density.

150 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:42pm

re: #131 unclassifiable

You're correct. I don't do so good at channeling.

151 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:52pm

re: #121 jim in virginia

Watch... some will seriously attempt to claim the events are connected.

152 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:53pm

re: #139 lurknomore

Yeah, listen everybody,
I don't even know what this forum's about, BUT, I just want the world to know that MATT DAMON IS THE BIGGEST dick THAT HAS EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH!

I don't apologize.....He IS A BIG dick!


I feel GREAT!1


Is this figuratively or literally

153 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:00:59pm

I once asked my astronomy prof if a black hole was planar (like a disc), or spherical to an outside observer. His answer was the most honest I've ever received from academia:
"F*** if I know."

154 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:01:15pm

re: #139 lurknomore

Yeah, listen everybody,
I don't even know what this forum's about, BUT, I just want the world to know that MATT DAMON IS THE BIGGEST dick THAT HAS EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH!

I don't apologize.....He IS A BIG dick!


I feel GREAT!1

Why? because Matt Damon has a big dick?
/I wouldn't of said that brother!

155 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:01:22pm

re: #136 filetandrelease

(Can't you just see Her Thighness muttering ' no shiite sherlock' as she reads this)....

156 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:01:24pm

re: #134 debutaunt

I'm convinced that everyone who was on earth back then died, except I lived on because of my amazing imagination. I came up with the Dan Rather/Throb thing as well.

Uh OK.

Pinching self. Looking in mirror. Checking color of sky outside.

157 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:01:57pm

re: #139 lurknomore

Yeah, listen everybody,
I don't even know what this forum's about, BUT, I just want the world to know that MATT DAMON IS THE BIGGEST dick THAT HAS EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH!

I don't apologize.....He IS A BIG dick!


I feel GREAT!1


I dunno... I kinda liked him in Team America: World Police

158 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:10pm

re: #152 saberry0530
BOTH!

159 filetandrelease  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:17pm

re: #155 tradewind

(Can't you just see Her Thighness muttering ' no shiite sherlock' as she reads this)....

You mean, after she stops laughing?

160 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:38pm

re: #104 ludwigvanquixote

Thanks for an informed explanation. I though about trying to answer that question but I'm glad I didn't embarrass myself by attempting it.

161 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:45pm

re: #139 lurknomore

Are you f--ing Matt Damon? Sarah, is that you?
:)

162 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:51pm

re: #142 Kosh's Shadow

Thanks for that great info! Simply fascinating.

163 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:02:58pm

OT - (comment posted on previous related thread) A side article from the Washington Times at ...election.foxnews... link says (SC Dem Chief) Fowler apologizes for her comment but the link to the WT is not found.

Scroll down and the WT link about the apology is here.

164 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:03:07pm

Via USGS:
6.9 quake in Hokkaido.
6.6 quake in Halmahera, Indonesia.

That follows a 6.1 in Iran, which apparently did widespread damage and killed at least 6.

165 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:03:19pm

re: #161 tradewind

Gulp, that's Silverman, not Palin....

166 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:03:41pm

Theoretical science isn't my strong suit. What is the end result of this exercise? What are the payoffs; practically uses or knowledge gained?

167 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:03:49pm

re: #118 rawmuse

I refer to them as huskers. You have your half-huskers, your full huskers, and then the husker and a half, maybe even a double husker.

Ah, took me a few seconds, but, yes, I get your meaning. You're an old S.F. denizen. Perhaps this is just an urban legend, but remember before the bathhouses were closed? There used to be these large circles (so I am told), sometimes consisting of twenty or more "nodes," all connected in buggery. Perhaps they were trying their own experiments in acceleration: I am sure the HIV virus passed quickly enough.

168 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:04:05pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny, but if we were sucked into a black hole we would die most gruesomely. The gravity is strong enough to not just rip you apart, not even just rip apart your atoms but rip apart the very nuclii of your atoms.

If the world should stop revolving, spinning slowly down to die
I'd spend the end with you, and when the world was through
Then one by one the stars would all go out
Then you and I would simply fly away.

/in itty bitty piences

169 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:04:12pm

You people are so racist.

It is a community organizer hole.

170 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:04:22pm
171 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:04:25pm

re: #157 Son Of The Godfather

watch this...[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

HE IS THE BIGGEST > THAT EVER LIVED......

172 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:04:42pm

re: #164 lawhawk

Hope this isn't some ring of fire meltdown thingy....have family on the left coast. One of them in a tsunami zone.

173 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:05:29pm

re: #164 lawhawk

Via USGS:
6.9 quake in Hokkaido.
6.6 quake in Halmahera, Indonesia.

That follows a 6.1 in Iran, which apparently did widespread damage and killed at least 6.

Iran has shitty construction for earth quakes, villages mud, cities un-reenforced brick.

174 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:05:39pm

re: #137 tradewind

If McCain could win Michigan, it'd be a rout. But I can't imagine, with Detroit, Dearbornistan, etc....... those cities will be teeming with community organizers from now 'til November......

THey do not even have to find anybody, there time is more efficiently spent filling out applications using names from old phone books and other lists and then just dumping tens of thousands of voting registration forms on the desk at Board of Election HQ on the last possible day. The only way to stop ACORN from stealing an election is to flood the polling stations with trained watchers who insist on comparing the signatures on each voter and challenge every one they suspect. That can be a dangerous thing to do.

175 farmsted  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:05:52pm

Sad thing is, I'd be willing to bet the European on this project are huge supporters of world peace and ending world poverty but they have no problem spending €3.2–6.4 billion on this project. Wonder how may people starving in Dafur this would have fed?

176 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:05:54pm

re: #54 flyovercountry

Not to mention, Gravity is a function of mass, and nothing more. A Black hole with the mass of a proton, has the same gravitational effect as a proton. A black Hole with the mass of a bowling ball, has the same gravitational effect as a bowling ball. Not all science experiments are bound to destroy the world

So let me get this straight..... If I produced a black hole with the mass of Monica Lewinsky.....

177 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:06:00pm

I'm sure I felt a shift in the space-time continuum.

178 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:06:38pm

re: #130 tradewind

Next one's up to the IDF....

They seem to be able.

Three countries. Six days.

179 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:07:05pm

re: #167 ContraJihadi

Well, congratulations, you seem to have hit on a subject of which I know practically nothing.

180 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:07:49pm

re: #166 Outrider

What is the end result of this exercise? What are the payoffs; practically uses or knowledge gained?

There's no limit to what we might learn. The computer chip is a direct result from advances in quantum physics. We may discover new sources of energy (about a gram of anti-matter could put the space shuttle into orbit). Trust me, there will be plenty of cool stuff that comes out of this. I can't wait for my anti-gravity pants.

181 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:08:34pm

re: #150 Cap'n DOC

No prob doc. I tried it once and it never came out right. Never posted it.

It's a knack, no doubt about it.

182 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:08:41pm

re: #149 itellu3times

Congratulations, you just qualified as Obama's Secretary of Density.

Just cuss me out next time or kick my mother...

183 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:08:50pm

re: #174 lifeofthemind

Yeah, we have the same situation down here in my city, the only Dem stronghold in a very Red state.
Republicans had better get their legal ducks in a row, and be ready to catch those planes. Dems already know how to do it.

184 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:09:32pm

re: #166 Outrider

Theoretical science isn't my strong suit. What is the end result of this exercise? What are the payoffs; practically uses or knowledge gained?

Hopefully validate the existence of many theoretical particles. To understand what the universe is made out of and perhaps figure out how it was created. I'm propably missing a lot but those reasons are the hyped up ones.

185 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:09:46pm

maybe it will suck up the alternate universe the democrats live in

186 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:09:57pm

re: #174 lifeofthemind

THey do not even have to find anybody, there time is more efficiently spent filling out applications using names from old phone books and other lists and then just dumping tens of thousands of voting registration forms on the desk at Board of Election HQ on the last possible day. The only way to stop ACORN from stealing an election is to flood the polling stations with trained watchers who insist on comparing the signatures on each voter and challenge every one they suspect. That can be a dangerous thing to do.

The beauty of the Electoral College system. Damn, those founders were slick.

Compartmentalized Fraud. No matter how many dead people vote in Chicago, it won't change the result in Indiana.

It does mean some particularly corrupt state will be "owned" by the Donks (Illinois, anyone?) forever and they will be trying to get that inside straight they need to (just barely) get an electoral win.

They've been trying to crack that code (minimal states to win) as long as I can remember.

187 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:06pm

So this was just a trial run of the Slithereedee. I guess we all have another shot at oblivion next time.

Oh, The Slithereedee
Has crawled out of the sea,
He may catch all the others
But he won't catch me.
No, you won't catch me,
Old slitheree-dee,
You may catch all the others,
But you wo....

-Shel Silverstein

188 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:27pm

re: #167 ContraJihadi

BRAIN BLEACH!

189 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:31pm

re: #164 lawhawk

Via USGS:
6.9 quake in Hokkaido.
6.6 quake in Halmahera, Indonesia.

That follows a 6.1 in Iran, which apparently did widespread damage and killed at least 6.

When we have 6 nearly simultaneous earthquakes in Iran we will be able to go back to our regularly scheduled entertainment.

190 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:39pm

re: #37 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oh, remember its the tidal forces of the Black Hole that will get you, not just the extreme gravity.

So, when you get sucked into one, go in head first, that way you won't have to enjoy your feet getting ripped off.

/Just sayin'

Sucking force, heh? That's one hell of a BJ.

/couldn't resist.

191 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:44pm

re: #177 So?

So did I , until I realized what I had for supper. You might want to check also

/

192 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:10:59pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

How do they physically engineer the collider to contain the hoped for sub-sub particles smaller than have ever been broken off before? They're going to be moving awful fast and solid matter doesn't seem to be much of a barrier.

/also, what's your opinion on string theory?

193 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:11:00pm

re: #177 So?

Wow, the sky is all purple, and I think the island just moved.....

194 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:11:37pm

re: #124 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, here I am!

Hi Goddess..Now watching the sox game now and you know how ball games are..slow..
Anyhoo...From the first time i've ever seen your nic..it always reminded
me of a teacher that changed my life...not from the goddess nic per say..but because..After 11 years of what i considered brutal life in a private catholic school and flunking english i begged my father on my knees to go to a public school..tears in my eyes..I had issues with some of the nuns my whole life..My aunt is a nun...as some would say OY..
My father said ok and my senior year i transfered to a public school and for english class i had a Mrs. Carmen.. The most beautiful women i had ever laid eyes upon..For the next 6 weeks i hit the books so hard i got an A- next report card..But the most fond memories i have.. Is a goddessof the classroom taking time to talk to me and spend time helping me knowing i was coming from a war. She was beautiful and kind and gave me my sense of humor...
I owe her alot... My goddessoftheclassroom..
My story huh?
/should have been my agent...LOL

195 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:11:43pm

re: #179 rawmuse

Well, congratulations, you seem to have hit on a subject of which I know practically nothing.

Ah well, except in so far as a certain pressure group has gained far too much influence in S.F. politics, 'tis not worth a second thought. Country First!

196 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:11:47pm

Skeletor is apoplectic tonight. It's funny.

He's missing the point about the pig/lipstick thing - the point is not whether it was Obama's intention to directly insult Sarah Palin. The point is that it was perceived as an insult to Sarah Palin. And once he got painted with the perception, it stuck to him like a bad polyester suit, and has thus become a firestorm.

197 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:12:21pm

re: #186 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Upding, you got it in one.

198 LoFlyer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:12:34pm

BBl guys, I got some errands to run. as to who built the super-collider. The US has supported more than its fair share of big-science projects. Let the Euro's foot the bill on this one....

199 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:12:35pm

If CERN succeeds in creating a black hole, it will be an OBAMANATION™

200 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:12:41pm

re: #104 ludwigvanquixote

Please forgive me but while we have a particle physics person here. I was wanting to know if it is possible to construct collisions that would result in whole anti-matter atoms from the LHC in your opinion.

I don't know if there is enough information to make that determination of even if such a thing theoretically exists.

201 Egfrow  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:14pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny, but if we were sucked into a black hole we would die most gruesomely. The gravity is strong enough to not just rip you apart, not even just rip apart your atoms but rip apart the very nuclii of your atoms.

Um thanks but easy on physics lesson there sport! . I'm well aware of what you speak. It was a parody joke.

202 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:18pm

re: #196 Intrepid

Skeletor is apoplectic tonight. It's funny.

He's missing the point about the pig/lipstick thing - the point is not whether it was Obama's intention to directly insult Sarah Palin. The point is that it was perceived as an insult to Sarah Palin. And once he got painted with the perception, it stuck to him like a bad polyester suit, and has thus become a firestorm.

They can dish it but can't take it- too funny.

203 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:26pm

re: #166 Outrider

This is actually experimental science. It is what we use to prove that we might know what we are talking about and to see new things we didn't know about at all.

The payoffs are best explained by a story about Faraday and Gladstone.

Faraday discovered that when one changes the magnetic flux though a loop of wire, a current is induced in the wire. Literally, if you make a hoop of wire and waggle a magnet through it, you make a current in the wire. This is how all of our electricity is generated. Right now, you are benefiting from this discovery.

Gladstone then PM of Britain came to visit Faraday's lab. He asked a question much like "what is the practical use of this?"

Faraday responded

"One day sir, you will tax it."

Science is an investment. The more we know how the universe works, the more we can use that knowledge to our own purposes. We can not promise a specific payoff from any fundamental research other than new knowledge. We can say that every payoff that there has ever been was ultimately the result of fundamental research.

If you want a high tech future, it all begins with knowing more about what is possible.

204 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:34pm

re: #189 lifeofthemind

When we have 6 nearly simultaneous earthquakes in Iran without a mushroom cloud we will be able to go back to our regularly scheduled entertainment.

Italics added by me.

205 Wishing  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:43pm

re: #148 Typicalwhitey

Interesting....

tw..where do u come up with these gems ROFL

206 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:43pm

re: #195 ContraJihadi

That's OK. The truth is that I am somewhat of a bore. Unless you count my wild years during the Gerald Ford administration.

207 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:46pm

re: #193 tradewind

Wow, the sky is all purple, and I think the island just moved.....

Actually, we are still here, but in another dimension. Notice you're left eye is where you're right eye used to be?

208 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:49pm

Speaking of black holes, out of the mouth of Ariana Huffington:

Sarah Palin is a trojan moose......
209 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:13:54pm

re: #166 Outrider

Theoretical science isn't my strong suit. What is the end result of this exercise? What are the payoffs; practically uses or knowledge gained?

Better understand of what stuff is made of.

With a better understanding of basic chemistry, we made better metals.

If we know how atoms are put together, maybe we can make better stuff at an atomic level. Or control the energy within better.

We already know some sub-atomic particles are paired. If you do something to one, both react simultaneously regards of distance, that has all kinds of theoretically implications.

210 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:14:09pm

re: #199 So?

If CERN succeeds in creating a black hole, it will be an OBAMANATION™

Don't insult Abominations like that.

211 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:14:21pm

re: #185 spidly

maybe it will suck up the alternate universe the democrats live in

It would spit it right back out.

212 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:14:31pm

I don't know if this has anything to do with the Hadron collider, but from the waist down, I've turned into a giant squirrel.

I'm taking an Advil.

213 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:14:53pm

We may already have been through the black hole, but never knew it, except, of course, for that third eye I don't remember having had yesterday morning! ;-)

214 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:15:02pm
215 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:15:15pm

re: #163 Piglet-U93

OT - (comment posted on previous related thread) A side article from the Washington Times at ...election.foxnews... link says (SC Dem Chief) Fowler apologizes for her comment but the link to the WT is not found.

Scroll down and the WT link about the apology is here.

Interesting article:

...On Tuesday, for the third time in four days, Obama borrowed a lengthy bubble quote from Washington Post cartoonist Tom Toles. He did not acknowledge the origin of the quote the first time he used it and credited the cartoon only after the Post contacted the Obama campaign to ask about the first use...

So, it appears Sen Obama is now taking strategic advice from his partner?

...Obama’s running mate, Joe Biden, admitted during his 1988 presidential campaign that he had plagiarized sources in a Law Review article during his years at Syracuse University College of Law. He also came under fire for using lines from former British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock in his speeches, which were only sometimes attributed...
216 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:15:28pm

re: #196 Intrepid

Skeletor is apoplectic tonight. It's funny.

He's missing the point about the pig/lipstick thing - the point is not whether it was Obama's intention to directly insult Sarah Palin. The point is that it was perceived as an insult to Sarah Palin. And once he got painted with the perception, it stuck to him like a bad polyester suit, and has thus become a firestorm.

I saw the video, not a doubt in my military mind that he had been briefed, he hesitated, he delivered it, the crowd reacted and he knew why and went on to the fish line. The fact he did it that way coupled with the prior and subsequent comments at his own web site, as well as affiliated sites like Kos and DU, leave no doubt to me that it was a deliberate smear.

217 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:15:34pm

re: #137 tradewind

If McCain could win Michigan, it'd be a rout. But I can't imagine, with Detroit, Dearbornistan, etc....... those cities will be teeming with community organizers from now 'til November......

RACIST!

/

218 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:15:40pm

re: #171 lurknomore

watch this...[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

HE IS THE BIGGEST > THAT EVER LIVED......


I know, I know... his "performance" in Team America was... unflattering to say the least (also, performed by a puppet... with better acting skills!)

219 tradewind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:16:02pm

re: #207 So?

You Lost me there.....

220 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:16:12pm

re: #206 rawmuse

That's OK. The truth is that I am somewhat of a bore. Unless you count my wild years during the Gerald Ford administration.

loosened up the ole bow tie then, did ya ?

221 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:16:29pm

re: #138 Cap'n DOC

Crap. Why don't you just call a spade a spade?

RACIST!

/

222 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:16:40pm

LAST DAY ON EARTH or will time travelers start to appear as a wormhole is opened and turn us in soylent green?

[Link: www.zaporacle.com...]

223 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:16:53pm

re: #108 ludwigvanquixote

I was as at A&M at the time when they were bringing many Nobel Prize winners to Texas to lobby for it. THe main question at the time was if it could contribute anything to end the energy crisis (I know).

Well of course the answer was no -- not directly.

And that was that.

Short sightedness.

224 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:17:06pm

re: #194 HoosierHoops

Hi Goddess..Now watching the sox game now and you know how ball games are..slow..
Anyhoo...From the first time i've ever seen your nic..it always reminded
me of a teacher that changed my life...not from the goddess nic per say..but because..After 11 years of what i considered brutal life in a private catholic school and flunking english i begged my father on my knees to go to a public school..tears in my eyes..I had issues with some of the nuns my whole life..My aunt is a nun...as some would say OY..
My father said ok and my senior year i transfered to a public school and for english class i had a Mrs. Carmen.. The most beautiful women i had ever laid eyes upon..For the next 6 weeks i hit the books so hard i got an A- next report card..But the most fond memories i have.. Is a goddessof the classroom taking time to talk to me and spend time helping me knowing i was coming from a war. She was beautiful and kind and gave me my sense of humor...
I owe her alot... My goddessoftheclassroom..
My story huh?
/should have been my agent...LOL

PLEASE try to find her and send her this. It will mean the world to her. If she has passed on, send it to her family. We're never truly gone until the last person who remembers us is gone, too.

I found my 3rd grade teacher (fav of ALL TIME) by googling her, finding her current school, and emailing her.

225 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:17:33pm
226 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:17:42pm

re: #202 Sharmuta

They can dish it but can't take it- too funny.

Now this Steve Murphy guy (campaign mgr for Gephart) and Skeletor are both saying that McCain is not running an honorable campaign.

Wonder what the PUMAs would have to say about honorable campaigns.

And I'm thinking this whole meme of tying McCain to Bush is going to run out of steam very soon. It looks like they're running scared when they say that.

227 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:18:07pm

re: #192 Killian Bundy

also, what's your opinion on string theory?

I don't know if they'll ever figure out why the largest balls accumulate in least populated areas near the least traveled rural highways.

228 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:18:11pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

There's no limit to what we might learn. The computer chip is a direct result from advances in quantum physics. We may discover new sources of energy (about a gram of anti-matter could put the space shuttle into orbit). Trust me, there will be plenty of cool stuff that comes out of this. I can't wait for my anti-gravity pants.

I have no problem with the experiment. I just didn't know if there were any immediate results to be gained. This aspect of science is totally unfamiliar to me.

229 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:18:18pm

re: #164 lawhawk

Via USGS:
6.9 quake in Hokkaido.
6.6 quake in Halmahera, Indonesia.

That follows a 6.1 in Iran, which apparently did widespread damage and killed at least 6.

They had better get a little better at aiming the LHC if they think they can use Earthquakes as a weapon.

230 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:19:26pm

re: #204 Cap'n DOC

Italics added by me.

Can't garauntee that. If they have a work accident, accidents do happen you know?, it could get ugly downwind. They may need some special insurance, think I know of some gentlemen from New Jersey who specialize in toxic waste insurance and inconvenient hazard removals.

231 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:19:51pm

re: #214 taxfreekiller

an anti-matter atom would erase the result and you would be back to "O"

Good point. Bad experiment. Don't need anymore of them.

232 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:19:55pm

re: #206 rawmuse

That's OK. The truth is that I am somewhat of a bore. Unless you count my wild years during the Gerald Ford administration.

Now I know you are a wag.

Just think though, if Gerald Ford hadn't pardoned Nixon, the Peanut might have stayed in Georgia. I suppose, however, that inflation would have still been high, because the 'Rat Congress would have vetoed any of Ford's attempts to curb its Keynesian excesses.

233 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:02pm

re: #192 Killian Bundy

/also, what's your opinion on string theory?


Cats like it!

234 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:04pm

re: #224 goddessoftheclassroom

PLEASE try to find her and send her this. It will mean the world to her. If she has passed on, send it to her family. We're never truly gone until the last person who remembers us is gone, too.

I found my 3rd grade teacher (fav of ALL TIME) by googling her, finding her current school, and emailing her.

GGGAAAKKKK,,,, you're young. Any teacher that I had is either looking up at the grass or having their Jello cut up for them !

235 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:09pm

New report on collider.

Pretty good one.

236 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:15pm

re: #203 LudwigVanQuixote

Very well put. Imagine the early days of electrical experiments: jolting corpses and making housewives hair stand up at dinner parties. None of those people ever would have imagine that someday we'd pipe electricity into everyone's homes. Most of them would have objected to the idea.

237 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:25pm

re: #216 lifeofthemind

I saw the video, not a doubt in my military mind that he had been briefed, he hesitated, he delivered it, the crowd reacted and he knew why and went on to the fish line. The fact he did it that way coupled with the prior and subsequent comments at his own web site, as well as affiliated sites like Kos and DU, leave no doubt to me that it was a deliberate smear.

'.....you can put lipstick on a pig" he pauses, waits for the room to get the association and applause, and then continues. Yep, he meant it the way it's being taken.

238 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:20:45pm

re: #205 Wishing

I am an all knowing McCaniac LOL

My husband says I am nosy, so I am putting it to good use this election cycle.

239 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:21:07pm

All your blackholes are belong to me!

...so what did I miss?

240 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:21:22pm

re: #203 LudwigVanQuixote

Someone told me last weekend that Tesla actually invented a way to transmit electricity through the air - like radio waves. Is that possible?

241 Dustoff-507  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:21:32pm

Hmmm don't care, they said the same with the first NUKE test.
OK on to better things. Have you seen the price of gas? (-:

242 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:21:36pm

re: #215 Outrider

plagiarism info

Hope the McCain camp gets fast ads out on this like the were doing before the convention.

243 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:21:56pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

Someone told me last weekend that Tesla actually invented a way to transmit electricity through the air - like radio waves. Is that possible?

I find that shocking!

244 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:04pm

re: #220 sattv4u2

loosened up the ole bow tie then, did ya ?

He wore a cravat throughout the 70's, so very chic!

245 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:14pm

re: #228 Outrider

I have no problem with the experiment. I just didn't know if there were any immediate results to be gained. This aspect of science is totally unfamiliar to me.

A lot of what we know about quantum physics comes from mathematical models. So some things that exist in the model may or may not exist in the real world. Only way to be sure is to start smashing stuff :)

246 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:27pm

re: #190 So?
I think he meant the other head first dude.

247 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:36pm

re: #212 Occasional Reader

I don't know if this has anything to do with the Hadron collider, but from the waist down, I've turned into a giant squirrel.

I'm taking an Advil.

Did you shake all over and have a tingly feeling run up your leg?

248 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:42pm

re: #230 lifeofthemind

Can't garauntee that. If they have a work accident, accidents do happen you know?, it could get ugly downwind. They may need some special insurance, think I know of some gentlemen from New Jersey who specialize in toxic waste insurance and inconvenient hazard removals.

re: #234 sattv4u2

GGGAAAKKKK,,,, you're young. Any teacher that I had is either looking up at the grass or having their Jello cut up for them !

She was in her second year of teaching when I was in her class. She invited us all to her wedding at a HUGE Russian Orthodox church in Baltimore.

When I emailed her, I said, "I can't believe you're a grandmother! In my mind, you'll be forever 24."

In her reply, she said, "You'll be forever 8."

249 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:47pm

re: #239 coquimbojoe

All your blackholes are belong to me!

...so what did I miss?

We were sucked into a black hole, minorities and poor hit hardest.

250 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:22:47pm

re: #244 coquimbojoe

He wore a cravat throughout the 70's, so very chic!

Paisley tux.

251 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:23:08pm

re: #140 David IV of Georgia

All physics is normal physics... There is only the physics we don't know about yet. However, certain things like energy conservation will always hold.

It isn't an issue of of energy squishing the micro black hole to "keep it together." One of the central features of a black hole is that gravity has become strong enough to over come all of the other forces - even degenercy pressure. In other words, nothing "pushing" from inside the black hole is strong enough to do anything.

Black holes radiate because of quantum fluctuations at the event horizon.

This is Hawking radiation. Particle anti-particle pairs pop into existence all the time at a tremendously fast rate. If one falls into the event horizon and the other doesn't, energy conservation is maintained by the anihilation of mass within the black hole.

The smaller it is, the faster that mass gets anihilated.

Energy is conserved always. IF such a black hole were formed - we don't know for sure it can be done at these energies - it would have no more mass than the energy of the particles that formed it i.e. a few TeV. Such a black hole would die near instantaneously. The signal would look like a jet of particles.

252 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:23:39pm

re: #50 bushleague

The NY times has the Typo Of the Year

"Large Hardon Collider"

(OK a bit dated but still hilarious)

Maybe the typo has something to do with the anticipation of encountering a BLACK HOLE.

/also dated

253 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:24:00pm

re: #239 coquimbojoe

All your blackholes are belong to me!

...so what did I miss?

Apparently the collider causes earthquakes in countries that the MSM doesn't know exist (unless they make Bush look bad).

254 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:24:00pm

re: #247 saberry0530

Did you shake all over and have a tingly feeling run up your leg?

Never mind, false alarm; I got better.

255 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:24:14pm

re: #249 jcm

We were sucked into a black hole, minorities and poor hit hardest.

Is the bible clingers fault! How are the kids?

256 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:24:46pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny, but if we were sucked into a black hole we would die most gruesomely. The gravity is strong enough to not just rip you apart, not even just rip apart your atoms but rip apart the very nuclii of your atoms.

In that event it is a statistical certainty that somewhere in the world someone (man or woman) will be achieving orgasm.

"Oh my God OH MY GOD......................................"

257 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:24:50pm

re: #250 rawmuse

Paisley tux.

You too?

258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:09pm

Anybody else get the feeling from that Biden "Hillary is more qualified to be VP than me" "slip" might actually be some battlefield prep work for the possibility he might "have to resign because of health reasons"?

259 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:29pm

Science meets God in the space between the electrons.

260 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:31pm

The actually tests haven't even started yet. They just shot some particles to see that they would travel around the damn thing. The serious smashing hasn't begun.

261 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:38pm

re: #254 Occasional Reader

Never mind, false alarm; I got better.

Good thing, had our doubts there for a minute or two
/

262 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:46pm

re: #227 spidly

I don't know if they'll ever figure out why the largest balls accumulate in least populated areas near the least traveled rural highways.

/that's twine

263 godfrey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:57pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes.

264 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:25:59pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

Very well put. Imagine the early days of electrical experiments: jolting corpses and making housewives hair stand up at dinner parties. None of those people ever would have imagine that someday we'd pipe electricity into everyone's homes. Most of them would have objected to the idea.

I remember when they first built the nuke plant in Russelville, Arkansas thereby allowing many folks in NW Arkansas to have electricity in their homes not too many years ago. A whole lot of people refused to use it at first because of the fear they would be irradiated from the electricity.

265 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:03pm

so isn't it all supposed to happen in a nanosecond? I mean, how much pain could you possible feel? Watching Alan Colmes, on the other hand, generates undying agony.

266 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:07pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What? All his plugs falling out followed by dribbling grey matter?

267 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:10pm

re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote

Could you take a stab at answering what practical/commercial advances we might see from the LHC?

268 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:15pm

re: #233 So?

/also, what's your opinion on string theory?


Cats like it!

two swallows just might be able to carry a coconut with it

269 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:23pm

"I want my Higgs Boson!"
-- Garrett Lisi

270 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:38pm

re: #259 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Science meets God in the space between the electrons.

Do they order a drink?

271 Dustoff-507  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:39pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)


Major Goof!.. (-:

272 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:39pm

re: #264 Outrider

Heh.

273 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:40pm

re: #255 coquimbojoe

Is the bible clingers fault! How are the kids?

Doing very well, growing, getting into things, bloody noses, all the normal stuff.

274 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:40pm
We could still see the formation of a super-massive tiny black hole that would suck in the entire Milky Way galaxy in one cataclysmic nanosecond, next time they fire it up

That's one possibility. Another is that we're whisked into the Mirror, Mirror universe, where Charles has a goatee, and puts up threads that quote extensively (and approvingly) from Dude, Where's My Country?.

275 godfrey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:26:44pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

But, there's no way Obama will recover from such a thing. Not enough time.

276 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:01pm

re: #248 goddessoftheclassroom

I am armored by my immaturity, nice of you to notice.

277 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:15pm

re: #266 Cap'n DOC

What? All his plugs falling out followed by dribbling grey matter?

Happens... especially around micro-black holes.

/Crap, now I'm a racist too... :-)

278 jaunte  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:27pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That would one way Obama could pull a big surprise at this point. Of course it would make him look even weaker and more wishy-washy than before.

279 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:31pm

re: #270 So?

Hmmm. Not impossible.

280 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:36pm

Getting back to the serious stuff.

All they have done at CERN is fired up the LHC, in one direction.

That having been achieved, they will determine when they feel comfortable that they can fire particles IN THE OPPOSITE direction to achieve the collision they are desiring. That is when the fun starts.

281 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:39pm

re: #269 Salamantis

"I want my Higgs Boson!"
-- Garrett Lisi

I've got a Higgs Bison, if you're interested.

282 mich-again  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:27:40pm

Hey. Where'd my beer go?

Damn that black hole generator machine.

283 goofeeem  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:06pm

re: #260

hold off on the 2009 planners

284 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:15pm

re: #275 godfrey

But, there's no way Obama will recover from such a thing. Not enough time.

Desparation. Never underestimate the mistakes in decision making it can wring.

285 Dustoff-507  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:19pm

re: #277 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

WOW, he has gray matter? I didn't know! 0-:

286 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:22pm

re: #260 So?

The actually tests haven't even started yet. They just shot some particles to see that they would travel around the damn thing. The serious smashing hasn't begun.


Beaten AGAIN, I dont believe this. :(

287 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:23pm

re: #282 mich-again

LMAO

288 Sparkizzy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:26pm

Zell Miller rocks!

289 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:28pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

Someone told me last weekend that Tesla actually invented a way to transmit electricity through the air - like radio waves. Is that possible?

Apparently Nikolai Tesla did. The usual explanation for why it hasn't been further tested or proven is that no one has tried it because those who have the means (financial and electrical, that is, electric companies) don't know how to meter aerial electricity.

290 Palandine  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:29pm

I vaguely remember them saying in high school physics that if you were sucked into a black hole, you'd be able to see the back of your own head before it was over.

No thanks, I have a mirror.

/still, it'd be relatively quick, I guess...

291 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:40pm

re: #281 So?

I've got a Higgs Bison, if you're interested.

In the Clown Universe, they have Higgs Bozons.

292 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:44pm

re: #277 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

BTW - Which parts are you missing? Your wit is intact...

293 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:28:58pm

re: #264 Outrider


Remember that old Black Oak song, 'When electricity came to Arkansas"?

Jim Dandy was a hoot.

The VERY first concert I ever went to (aged 13) was Black Oak at the Mid south coleseum in Memphis, TN. They cut out all the lights as the band opened, and everyone lit up their Bic lighters. (and lit up a few other things) Nowdays the management would stroke out right on stage.

wussies.

294 godfrey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:29:11pm

re: #284 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I think Axelrod is flailing at this point. So is Obama.

295 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:29:31pm

re: #280 A Kiwi Infidel

Getting back to the serious stuff.

All they have done at CERN is fired up the LHC, in one direction.

That having been achieved, they will determine when they feel comfortable that they can fire particles IN THE OPPOSITE direction to achieve the collision they are desiring. That is when the fun starts.

SO if they fire it up in the reverse direction, are we going to have to have this thread in reverse?

296 Dustoff-507  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:29:48pm

re: #280 A Kiwi Infidel
AS I said before. Know one knows? Same as the first nuke test?

297 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:29:58pm

re: #219 tradewind

You Lost me there.....

see, we're drifting apart...nice blogging with you....hope LGF 12 is as friendly

298 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:30:32pm

re: #295 saberry0530

SO if they fire it up in the reverse direction, are we going to have to have this thread in reverse?

either that,,,, or it creates a White Hole


/I'll save you all the trouble

// RACIST !-

299 godfrey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:30:40pm

Higgs Bosons, pffth. When are they going to start supercolliding the big stuff, like .50 cal slugs?

300 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:30:46pm

re: #286 A Kiwi Infidel

Beaten AGAIN, I dont believe this. :(

You need a MacBook Pro, it's silky to the touch and very quick.

301 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:02pm

re: #298 sattv4u2
GMTA

302 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:11pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

You can, that's what normal radio waves do but at very low power. The problem is it is not very efficient once the distance becomes more than a few inches. We sent in a proposal to power airplanes with remote power beams. The proposed big space solar power generators might use microwaves to send the power to earth, these are I think aimed at around 1 GW. I do not know any details of Telsa's scheme so I'm not sure what he proposed using.

303 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:15pm

re: #289 David IV of Georgia

That was exactly the argument I heard. I've yet to find it in writing anywhere, and I thought I'd throw that out there. It seems that sort of thing would make electrically powered cars a bit more practical - say, meter it on the receiving end rather than the source.

304 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:32pm

re: #292 Cap'n DOC

BTW - Which parts are you missing? Your wit is intact...

Two thumbs. Assorted other injuries, but they just "add character" and impress chicks (at least that's what my 18 year old son would tell me...)

305 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:33pm

re: #262 Killian Bundy

/that's twine

they are very very similar and behave almost identically.

Anyone remember what is emitted when string decays into twine and what the mass defect is?

306 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:38pm

re: #270 So?

Do they order a drink?

They created something after they had a drink...

307 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:47pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

That's one possibility. Another is that we're whisked into the Mirror, Mirror universe, where Charles has a goatee, and puts up threads that quote extensively (and approvingly) from Dude, Where's My Country?.

And Matt Damon is president?

Please let me meet classifiable so that the matter anti-matter collision will take me out of that universe.

308 Outrider  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:49pm

re: #278 jaunte

That would one way Obama could pull a big surprise at this point. Of course it would make him look even weaker and more wishy-washy than before.

It would be close to the ultimate flip-flop. I'm sure at some level he has to realize he is in over his head and Sen Biden isn't the candidate that needs replacing.

309 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:31:49pm

re: #300 So?

You need a MacBook Pro, it's silky to the touch and very quick.

I once (or was it twice) met a lady in Tijuana that fits that description

310 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:03pm

re: #174 lifeofthemind

THey do not even have to find anybody, there time is more efficiently spent filling out applications using names from old phone books and other lists and then just dumping tens of thousands of voting registration forms on the desk at Board of Election HQ on the last possible day. The only way to stop ACORN from stealing an election is to flood the polling stations with trained watchers who insist on comparing the signatures on each voter and challenge every one they suspect. That can be a dangerous thing to do.

Michigan "community organizers" seething over Macomb County decision to disallow voters from claiming foreclosed homes as their current address.

311 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:13pm

re: #294 godfrey

I think Axelrod is flailing at this point. So is Obama.

Oh no, there was a shift, how did I become Obama. That's an OBAMANATION™

312 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:17pm

ALl this fantastic talk about CERN, particles, wormholes... People, time travel will NEVER be possible... ever...

Now let's get back to this campaign and make sure we beat Jimmah Carter this time around!

313 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:34pm

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

314 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:37pm

So when are they scheduled to turn on the taps for both hot and cold? I'd like a little advance notice to be able to stretch a bit to I can bend over to kiss my ass goodbye, before they generate 'the big twinkie'

315 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:44pm

re: #306 Kreuzueber Halbmond

They created something after they had a drink...

A double boson...

316 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:52pm

re: #304 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Thank you for your service, sir.

317 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:32:59pm

re: #248 goddessoftheclassroom

She was in her second year of teaching when I was in her class. She invited us all to her wedding at a HUGE Russian Orthodox church in Baltimore.

When I emailed her, I said, "I can't believe you're a grandmother! In my mind, you'll be forever 24."

In her reply, she said, "You'll be forever 8."

Synopsis of an Eastern Orthodox wedding:

Glory to Thee, our God, glory to Thee!

Grant them glory and honor.

318 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:21pm

re: #175 farmsted

Sad thing is, I'd be willing to bet the European on this project are huge supporters of world peace and ending world poverty but they have no problem spending €3.2–6.4 billion on this project. Wonder how may people starving in Dafur this would have fed?

Just a wild guess, but how 'bout maybe the 15 or 20 lucky stiffs that happen to be within range of the TV cameras when the plane from the U.N. lands, and Sally Struthers or Bono hop out and start doling out sacks of rice? The rest of the loot would go to feather the nests of Eurocrats, UN-ocrats, and Sudanese government thugs alike.

/cynic? Hell, I'm an optimist.

319 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:29pm

re: #305 spidly

A frayed knot!

320 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:33pm

re: #309 sattv4u2

I once (or was it twice) met a lady in Tijuana that fits that description

That was Samatha and her beast of burden, was it?

321 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:39pm

re: #304 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Two thumbs. Assorted other injuries, but they just "add character" and impress chicks (at least that's what my 18 year old son would tell me...)

guess that means you'll never co-host that movie review show ,,,, you know,, the one where the hosts give 0, 1, or 2 thumbs up !

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD

322 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:47pm

re: #226 Intrepid

Now this Steve Murphy guy (campaign mgr for Gephart) and Skeletor are both saying that McCain is not running an honorable campaign.

Wonder what the PUMAs would have to say about honorable campaigns.

And I'm thinking this whole meme of tying McCain to Bush is going to run out of steam very soon. It looks like they're running scared when they say that.

These guys are saying that because it's the 0bama team's talking point- but you're spot on about the PUMAs. I think the only thing they could have done to fix this gaffe was apologize while saying the comment was not meant in the way in which it was taken. But to flip this back on McCain? Not going to fly. Besides- the damage is done.

The "McSame" meme seems to be all they have- well, that and insulting Sarah Palin and women everywhere. The McSame line of attack will probably fail around the time of the debates when McCain will be able to state his case directly to the American people.

323 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:54pm

Well, it's buried underground.

/probably a good reason for that

324 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:55pm

re: #309 sattv4u2

I once (or was it twice) met a lady in Tijuana that fits that description

Hope she wasn't too quick, for your sake.

325 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:57pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

Someone told me last weekend that Tesla actually invented a way to transmit electricity through the air - like radio waves. Is that possible?

I believe it's possible but suffers from a host of engineering problems (inefficiency, costly, dangerous, impractical, etc...). It makes for some cool looking science experiments though.

326 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:33:58pm

OT - The group the made the movie Obsession is releasing another movie in early October.

An unsolicited call I received today from a person claiming to be a representative from the group.

He stated the title of the new film but I got the impression it might change.

Strange thing was the call had no caller id, may be they are just being cautious.

He said he got my number from Amazon.com. In fact, I did order the movie Obsession from Amazon so it made sense.

327 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:34:30pm

I miss a good black hole.

---Hubble

328 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:34:31pm

I should not let that bother me.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

329 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:34:34pm

re: #316 Cap'n DOC

Thank you for your service, sir.

Naw, more credit goes to you Nam guys. My brother went there, and did not come back.

330 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:34:38pm

re: #248 goddessoftheclassroom

She was in her second year of teaching when I was in her class. She invited us all to her wedding at a HUGE Russian Orthodox church in Baltimore.

When I emailed her, I said, "I can't believe you're a grandmother! In my mind, you'll be forever 24."

In her reply, she said, "You'll be forever 8."

sorry don't have a 1000 dings...
/some would argue that point...but not when i'm in the room..
LOL

331 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:04pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

Yes. But it is not electricity - exactly. The idea was that you could play games with the electromagnetic field to transmit power. The electricity (current) would be generated in something that would interact with the field.

It is not exactly the same thing, but, an example of the principle is a radio antenna. The waves come in and excite currents in the antenna which are then amplified and turned into sound. The difference is, here, rather than using low power to transmit information, he was interested in using the transmitter station as a source of power.

332 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:10pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

That's one possibility. Another is that we're whisked into the Mirror, Mirror universe, where Charles has a goatee, and puts up threads that quote extensively (and approvingly) from Dude, Where's My Country?.

And Markos Moulitsas busted Dan Rather with a throbbing memo and made Dailykos a cutting-edge conservative blog.

333 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:12pm

re: #321 sattv4u2

Kinda like a squatting ovation. Better thatn normal applause, but not quit worth the effort of standing.

334 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:31pm

re: #324 So?

Hope she wasn't too quick, for your sake.

naaah ,,,, but she could make a quarter disappear without using her hands, feet or mouth ,,, real quick

335 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:35pm

re: #258 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Anybody else get the feeling from that Biden "Hillary is more qualified to be VP than me" "slip" might actually be some battlefield prep work for the possibility he might "have to resign because of health reasons"?

No- I think it's pandering. 0bama is hemorrhaging money and I don't think they can afford to replace the campaign materials.

336 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:37pm

re: #304 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Two thumbs. Assorted other injuries, but they just "add character" and impress chicks (at least that's what my 18 year old son would tell me...)

Thanks for your service,sir.

337 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:35:51pm

re: #323 Killian Bundy

Well, it's buried underground.

/probably a good reason for that

squirrels bury their nuts too!

338 Sparkizzy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:01pm

re: #313 WriterMom

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

If you're a Palli activist, you wind up stuck in Gaza.

340 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:19pm

re: #329 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

So sorry to hear this. May his memory be a blessing. How hard for you and your family.

341 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:25pm

re: #321 sattv4u2

guess that means you'll never co-host that movie review show ,,,, you know,, the one where the hosts give 0, 1, or 2 thumbs up !

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD

Nope, I am so there, dude... the Army paid the freight for the guy I refer to as Doctor Frankenstein to move my index fingers to act as thumbs.

"Stiff and sore" just like he promised, but I can do a mean thumbs up.

342 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:31pm

re: #296 Dustoff-507

AS I said before. Know one knows? Same as the first nuke test?


I'm not losing any sleep over it, what happens, happens. Unlike the Indian lass who suicided over the matter.

343 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:33pm

re: #334 sattv4u2

now that's just nasty.
I hope you didn't ask for change.

344 Globular Cluster  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:49pm

They did smash any ions this test. Minor correction.

Anyway, people don't seem to understand that a black hole the size of a subatomic particle is certain to evaporate by Hawking's laws in millionths of second, because black holes emit radiation.

345 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:36:50pm

re: #290 Palandine

I vaguely remember them saying in high school physics that if you were sucked into a black hole, you'd be able to see the back of your own head before it was over.

Actually you wouldn't because as you are being stretched miles long as you accelerate toward the center of the black hole, the photons would also be accelerating in the same direction. But you would already be dead from the gravity long before you were "sucked in".

346 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:37:06pm

re: #334 sattv4u2

naaah ,,,, but she could make a quarter disappear without using her hands, feet or mouth ,,, real quick

Quick, send her to CERN, they could use her if the collider breaks down.

347 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:37:38pm

re: #317 David IV of Georgia

Synopsis of an Eastern Orthodox wedding:

Glory to Thee, our God, glory to Thee!

Grant them glory and honor.

Then why does it take an hour and a half to get to the reception?

348 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:37:44pm

re: #341 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, I am so there, dude... the Army paid the freight for the guy I refer to as Doctor Frankenstein to move my index fingers to act as thumbs.

"Stiff and sore" just like he promised, but I can do a mean thumbs up.

I bet you can!

AND ,, more important ,,,,, on behalf of my 14 year old son'


THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

349 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:38:10pm

re: #331 LudwigVanQuixote

Could it (theoretically at least) recharge a battery?

350 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:38:22pm

re: #317 David IV of Georgia

Synopsis of an Eastern Orthodox wedding:

Glory to Thee, our God, glory to Thee!

Grant them glory and honor.

Are they like the wedding in The Deer Hunter?

351 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:38:36pm

re: #343 sojerofgod

now that's just nasty.
I hope you didn't ask for change.

I did ,,, and was I surprised when she ,,.,,, ummm,,, shall we say spit out 2 dimes and a nickle !

352 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:38:57pm

re: #256 A Kiwi Infidel

In that event it is a statistical certainty that somewhere in the world someone (man or woman) will be achieving orgasm.

"Oh my God OH MY GOD..................................... ."

Actually, given time dilation, if you orbited the right way as you fell in, to someone outside the black hole, you would be orgasming for eons. It is certainly a seriously manly way to check out. Certainly more cool than popping a beer and riding a Harley off of Mount Everest.

Unfortunately, in your reference frame time would flow at the same rate you always notice it to, and you would eventually die a hideous death fried by radiation before you were ripped apart to a sub-atomic level.

353 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:03pm

re: #344 Globular Cluster

I kind of though something like that.
Wouldn't the law of conservation of energy prevent this from being self-sustaining?

I'm totally talking out my a$$ here but it sounds good.

354 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:10pm

re: #340 WriterMom

So sorry to hear this. May his memory be a blessing. How hard for you and your family.

40 years this past August (16 Aug 68, 101st Abn, B/502). I wish I knew him better, I was 7 at the time and a little spoiled brat.

355 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:27pm

re: #264 Outrider

I remember when they first built the nuke plant in Russelville, Arkansas thereby allowing many folks in NW Arkansas to have electricity in their homes not too many years ago. A whole lot of people refused to use it at first because of the fear they would be irradiated from the electricity.

The same ignorance results in people dying from preventable bacterial food poisonings when fresh food could be irradiated, stay fresh longer without chemical preservatives, and not go to waste. But we can't do it, because it's scary "radiation"!

(Better give up your microwave oven then.)

356 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:30pm

re: #313 WriterMom

She makes Billy Carter look like an urbane man of the world.

Nothing is funnier than a dipshit with conviction.

357 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:37pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

No- I think it's pandering. 0bama is hemorrhaging money and I don't think they can afford to replace the campaign materials.

Spelled Obama with a 0 (zero). Quality use of alphanumerics.

358 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:45pm

re: #315 So?

A double boson...

Dichotomous interuptus.

359 Basho  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:48pm

re: #349 Cap'n DOC

I heard someone is working on a way to recharge appliances wirelessly. Let me see if I can find it on google.

360 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:53pm

re: #288 Sparkizzy

Zell Miller rocks!

Thanks for that link. Without a doubt, Zell won 04 for Bush.

361 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:54pm

re: #319 sojerofgod

A frayed knot!

ah yes, a gordian particle.

362 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:39:56pm

I like the worm hole theory where time travelers from another dimension come and visit.

363 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:40:07pm

re: #345 David IV of Georgia

Actually you wouldn't because as you are being stretched miles long as you accelerate toward the center of the black hole, the photons would also be accelerating in the same direction. But you would already be dead from the gravity long before you were "sucked in".


You would be dead due to physical disruption but would you know it? Could conciousness survive a fraction of a second that would feel like an eternity?

364 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:40:13pm

re: #344 Globular Cluster

They did smash any ions this test. Minor correction.

Anyway, people don't seem to understand that a black hole the size of a subatomic particle is certain to evaporate by Hawking's laws in millionths of second, because black holes emit radiation.

/okay, since the professional physicist seems to have bailed, what do you make of string theory?

365 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:40:17pm

re: #339 Ojoe

The shadows fly eastward as the sun goes west. San Gabriel Mountains, California, Pacific time zone. (Towercam.)

I always look forward to Ojoe stopping in in the evening!
:-)

Lovely view as always!

366 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:40:23pm

re: #313 WriterMom

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

Whoa, ynet didnt like me, crashed everything

367 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:40:30pm

re: #358 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Dichotomous interuptus.

Or double infinity.

368 straitcircle  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:09pm

We are attempting to recreate "creation." question? does this constatute "intelligent design?" Or humn blunder?

369 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:19pm

re: #352 LudwigVanQuixote


I think I needed to know that ......?.........?

370 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:25pm

re: #362 So?

Doesn't that have something to do with anal probing?

371 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:30pm

re: #329 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

His name's on the Wall. I made my trip three years ago. Remember it like it was yesterday. God Bless him and keep him.

372 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:43pm

re: #264 Outrider

I remember when they first built the nuke plant in Russelville, Arkansas thereby allowing many folks in NW Arkansas to have electricity in their homes not too many years ago. A whole lot of people refused to use it at first because of the fear they would be irradiated from the electricity.

And there you have the unfortunate level of science education in America.

373 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:41:49pm

re: #362 So?

I like the worm hole theory where time travelers from another dimension come and visit.

If time travel were possible we would have already been overrun with tourists from the future.

374 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:42:05pm

re: #365 jcm

I always look forward to Ojoe stopping in in the evening!
:-)

Lovely view as always!


I can smell the air......

375 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:42:30pm

re: #313 WriterMom

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

'It's as bad as Darfur'
When asked about Israel's right to respond to incessant attacks emanating from Gaza, Booth evoked Holocaust-related rhetoric. "There is no right to punish people this way. There is no justification for this kind of collective punishment. You were in the concentration camps, and I can’t believe that you are allowing the creation of such a camp yourselves.”

holy shit

376 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:42:37pm

re: #368 straitcircle

Vanity.

It constitutes hubris of the first order.

377 jaunte  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:42:49pm

re: #373 Alouette

They always bring their invisibility cloaks with them...

378 goofeeem  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:42:56pm

re: #368 straitcircle

Human's thinking they are God - Adam never should have eaten the apple

379 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:43:00pm

re: #371 Cap'n DOC

His name's on the Wall. I made my trip three years ago. Remember it like it was yesterday. God Bless him and keep him.

Yes, it is... I've not seen it (yet) but my sister went and got a pencil image of it on a scrap of paper.

/Thanks guys. Let's go back to Bosons or Bisons... this is hard.

380 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:43:03pm

re: #349 Cap'n DOC

Could it (theoretically at least) recharge a battery?

Theoretically it could replace batteries. A long lasting sub-atomic generator.

381 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:43:26pm

re: #373 Alouette

If time travel were possible we would have already been overrun with tourists from the future.


Only in some of the timelines.

382 sojerofgod  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:43:37pm

re: #373 Alouette
So we would be living in a large, free range zoo?

Cool! throw me some more meat, zookeeper!

383 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:43:41pm

re: #347 HoosierHoops

Then why does it take an hour and a half to get to the reception?

Repetition. Actually the service can be done in thirty minutes if the priest doesn't wax eloquent in a sermon. Should I get married, I'll try to get a bishop—they've learned to wax eloquent concisely.

384 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:44:01pm

Remote power transmission has been tested at the range of a few miles, if I remember correctly, used to work on space power programs but it was few years ago. Powering cars would be tough because the power density of the beam needed for a receiver the size of the car would be pretty high plus it would have to be directed at the car, so the transmitter would have to have line of sight with the car at all times. Laser beams provide the best transmission efficiency but generating the beams and adsorbing the power at the receiver is not very efficient. Microwaves can be generated and received very efficiently but do not transmit well without very large antennas.
Just blanketing an area with power would not work well. Solar will work if the vehicle is very light and there is strong sunlight, but is not practicable for most driving situations.
The plane we worked on was proposed to be like the solar powered vehicles that were used for high altitude research, except remote ground power would allow them to work at night as well as during the day as the current solar powered vehicles do.

385 kay1212  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:44:15pm

Off Topic

Chuck Norris was just on Larry King [west coast] and he kicked Ariana Huffington's butt. I tried to find the clip on Youtube and someone has posted a bit where he said he was undecided and might support a third candidate.

But after that, he definitely stated McCain/Palin and said Obama was not ready at all. Chuck Norris talked about bailouts and deficits and Ariana went into the Iraq war and Chuck Norris said, "I've been there twice. You've never been there. I've talked to the troops. We need to finish this." She was stunned.

It was great. [I wasnt't the person in this household who turned on Larry King but it turned out great.]

386 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:44:28pm

re: #357 David IV of Georgia

Spelled Obama with a 0 (zero). Quality use of alphanumerics.

Thank you.

Speaking of 0bama-

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday accused Republican John McCain's campaign of using "lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics" in claiming he used a sexist comment against vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

I know this has probably been discussed, but I'd just like to say.... you go, 0bama! Convince yourself this is "phony outrage". This attempt to react to the initial gaffe is almost as bad as the gaffe itself. He's trying to tell me I'm too stupid to know what it is I heard. Now that's insulting.

387 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:46:16pm

re: #350 lifeofthemind

Are they like the wedding in The Deer Hunter?

I've never seen Deer Hunter, but I have met the Orthodox priest who did that scene. I forget if they had an actual wedding for the movie—my church frowns on 'pretending' to do sacraments.

388 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:46:18pm

WHOA! Guest on H&C is getting het up and is flipping his lid! Yelling at Sean Hannity, and just said (paraphrasing here) that if Americans vote in John McCain, they're stupid!

:-0

389 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:46:25pm

re: #379 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, it is... I've not seen it (yet) but my sister went and got a pencil image of it on a scrap of paper.

/Thanks guys. Let's go back to Bosons or Bisons... this is hard.

Bless you sir...

390 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:04pm

re: #347 HoosierHoops

Then why does it take an hour and a half to get to the reception?

Ouzo's gotta chill.

391 Olderthandirt  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:19pm

One theory is that time dilates while in a black hole. We must have gotten into one now because it's certainly seems like it's forever before the Nov. 4th election.

OMG, they started it without telling us all!

392 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:20pm

re: #314 sojerofgod

Well, I guess it's better than listening to Vogon poetry.

393 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:24pm

re: #384 Fredlike

I would think that even if you had to pull off every 100 miles or so at a tower (instead of plugging in) it would be a worthwhile venture.

394 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:35pm

re: #385 kay1212

thank you, that was encouraging :)

395 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:52pm

re: #369 A Kiwi Infidel

I think I needed to know that ......?.........?

Sorry, I was just playing along...

396 goofeeem  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:53pm

re: #388 Intrepid

WHOA! Guest on H&C is getting het up and is flipping his lid! Yelling at Sean Hannity, and just said (paraphrasing here) that if Americans vote in John McCain, they're stupid!

:-0

OK OK who let Obama use the phone?

397 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:47:54pm

re: #388 Intrepid

WHOA! Guest on H&C is getting het up and is flipping his lid! Yelling at Sean Hannity, and just said (paraphrasing here) that if Americans vote in John McCain, they're stupid!

:-0

BWAHAHAHA!

398 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:48:29pm

re: #388 Intrepid

WHOA! Guest on H&C is getting het up and is flipping his lid! Yelling at Sean Hannity, and just said (paraphrasing here) that if Americans vote in John McCain, they're stupid!

:-0

Good for another couple of counties.

399 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:48:30pm

re: #384 Fredlike

Remote power transmission has been tested at the range of a few miles, if I remember correctly, used to work on space power programs but it was few years ago. Powering cars would be tough because the power density of the beam needed for a receiver the size of the car would be pretty high plus it would have to be directed at the car, so the transmitter would have to have line of sight with the car at all times. Laser beams provide the best transmission efficiency but generating the beams and adsorbing the power at the receiver is not very efficient. Microwaves can be generated and received very efficiently but do not transmit well without very large antennas.
Just blanketing an area with power would not work well. Solar will work if the vehicle is very light and there is strong sunlight, but is not practicable for most driving situations.
The plane we worked on was proposed to be like the solar powered vehicles that were used for high altitude research, except remote ground power would allow them to work at night as well as during the day as the current solar powered vehicles do.

We've gotten lasers to work (transmit power) at distances over 30 miles in good weather.

400 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:48:33pm

re: #385 kay1212

Off Topic

Chuck Norris was just on Larry King [west coast] and he kicked Ariana Huffington's butt.

Chuck Norris could kick Ariana Huffington's butt with one pinky toe while simultaneously kicking Markos, raimondo, firedoglake, and then after his warmup, throw Michael Moore off a mountainside and obliterate half of New Mexico.

401 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:05pm

re: #388 Intrepid

leftist meltdown is so fascinating to watch. Pass the popcorn.

402 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:06pm

One minute, I'm waiting for them to turn on the LHC, the next, I'm playing guitar at the Enchantment Under The Sea dance where my mom and dad kissed for the first time...

Stupid Doc Brown.

403 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:08pm

re: #398 lifeofthemind

Counties, Hell. How about states?

404 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:19pm

re: #384 Fredlike

Remote power transmission has been tested at the range of a few miles, if I remember correctly, used to work on space power programs but it was few years ago. Powering cars would be tough because the power density of the beam needed for a receiver the size of the car would be pretty high plus it would have to be directed at the car, so the transmitter would have to have line of sight with the car at all times. Laser beams provide the best transmission efficiency but generating the beams and adsorbing the power at the receiver is not very efficient. Microwaves can be generated and received very efficiently but do not transmit well without very large antennas.
Just blanketing an area with power would not work well. Solar will work if the vehicle is very light and there is strong sunlight, but is not practicable for most driving situations.
The plane we worked on was proposed to be like the solar powered vehicles that were used for high altitude research, except remote ground power would allow them to work at night as well as during the day as the current solar powered vehicles do.

Well said! What sort of work do you do? I assume Aerospace?

405 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:23pm

re: #386 Sharmuta

"swiftboat politics"

0bama continues to display stunning originality and that he really has his finger on the pulse of America.

406 esch  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:40pm

re: #359 Basho

I heard someone is working on a way to recharge appliances wirelessly. Let me see if I can find it on google.

I don't see any way to do that at any appreciable range without a host of undesirable and dangerous side effects.

407 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:44pm

Still like to know how they physically engineer the collision chamber to contain fast moving particles that can pass freely through solid matter.

/and whether string theory is valid

408 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:49:49pm

re: #370 sojerofgod

Doesn't that have something to do with anal probing?

You're confusing time travelers with extraterrestrials.

409 Carridine  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:17pm

re: #240 Cap'n DOC Yes, Tesla devised a way to transmit power for FREE... and his patron-sponsor, Westinghouse, immediately cut off ALL FUNDS to Tesla, Doc!

410 BethesdaDog  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:27pm

Are you sure, Charles? Being out there on the west coast, the end might take a bit of time to reach you (different time zone, and all).

411 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:28pm

re: #313 WriterMom

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

She just needs a pancake and a Caterpillar (D-11).

412 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:41pm

re: #396 goofeeem

OK OK who let Obama use the phone?

This guy wrote a book saying that America needs Barack Obama's economic policies if there is any hope for the economy to recover. Hannity lit into him by saying that of course he would think that, he's a fan of Obama and is voting for him! Author dude and Hannity started going at it, and author even said "goddamn" about something.

I do not think this man will ever be a guest there again.

413 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:44pm

re: #393 Cap'n DOC

Believe me an electrical cord will be a lot cheaper. Remote power may work for some things but if a cord will reach use that first. I think battery powered cars will eventually get economical, there are some battery systems that are much more efficient than those being used now, but the technology is still years out.

414 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:50:59pm

re: #392 lawhawk

Well, I guess it's better than listening to Vogon poetry.

Ding! I love Douglas Adams resets.

415 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:51:00pm

re: #407 Killian Bundy

Still like to know how they physically engineer the collision chamber to contain fast moving particles that can pass freely through solid matter.

/and whether string theory is valid

Magnetic fields, huge superconducting magnets.

416 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:51:06pm

I wonder what Tesla would say.

417 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:51:37pm

re: #405 spidly

"swiftboat politics"

0bama continues to display stunning originality and that he really has his finger on the pulse of America.

it has never been more obvious that this hack is not presidential material.

418 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:51:44pm

re: #407 Killian Bundy

Still like to know how they physically engineer the collision chamber to contain fast moving particles that can pass freely through solid matter.

/and whether string theory is valid


Electro-magnets... and when the particles collide, they decay, fizzle, or "go somewhere"/

419 kay1212  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:02pm

re: #400 Alouette

Chuck Norris could kick Ariana Huffington's butt with one pinky toe while simultaneously kicking Markos, raimondo, firedoglake, and then after his warmup, throw Michael Moore off a mountainside and obliterate half of New Mexico.


He was amazing. He was as informed as anyone on the panel and I haven't seen anyone capable of shutting Huffington up like that. Maybe the clip will appear on YouTube.

420 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:05pm

re: #416 So?

I wonder what Tesla would say.

Shocking!

421 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:18pm

re: #373 Alouette

If time travel were possible we would have already been overrun with tourists from the future.

What if they are invisible?

422 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:36pm
423 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:53pm

re: #405 spidly

"swiftboat politics"

0bama continues to display stunning originality and that he really has his finger on the pulse of America.

And that pulse says "phony outrage". I sure hope he continues to tell himself that.

424 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:52:57pm

re: #415 jcm

Magnetic fields, huge superconducting magnets.

Thank you, that makes sense.

/sort of like a fusion experiment in reverse?

425 esch  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:53:01pm

re: #373 Alouette

If time travel were possible we would have already been overrun with tourists from the future.

Actually, I don't see any need to move matter through time. I would be perfectly satisfied with the ability to transfer information.

Any matter we would want to transfer through time already exists here in some form.

426 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:53:36pm

re: #351 sattv4u2

I did ,,, and was I surprised when she ,,.,,, ummm,,, shall we say spit out 2 dimes and a nickle !

Now that's change you can believe in!

427 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:53:51pm

re: #399 saberry0530

As i said I've been out of the loop for a few years. But laser can transmit very long distances, the problem is getting the beam generated and then turning it back into juice efficiently. Plus not too many people were really thrilled about having a 1 GW laser beam point at the earth from space.

428 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:53:51pm

re: #326 Piglet-U93

OT - The group the made the movie Obsession is releasing another movie in early October.

An unsolicited call I received today from a person claiming to be a representative from the group.

He stated the title of the new film but I got the impression it might change.

Strange thing was the call had no caller id, may be they are just being cautious.

He said he got my number from Amazon.com. In fact, I did order the movie Obsession from Amazon so it made sense.

I personally know some of the people who are working on it. I can verify that a "sequel" is well on the way.

429 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:54:04pm

Good night, dear Lizards. May all our electrons stay where they're supposed to be!

430 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:54:18pm

re: #424 Killian Bundy

Thank you, that makes sense.

/sort of like a fusion experiment in reverse?

Very similar concepts for containment / acceleration.

431 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:54:19pm

re: #386 Sharmuta

Yup. I like that. Obama seems to forget that the SBVFT were spot on. Nothing untruthful about what they had to say. MOF, Obama is not as nuanced a liar as Kerry was - or is.

432 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:54:26pm

re: #418 Son Of The Godfather

Electro-magnets... and when the particles collide, they decay, fizzle, or "go somewhere"/

/you'd have to pay me lots of money to stand next to it at impact

433 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:54:29pm

Chuckle;

The Delaware senator was responding to an audience member at a town hall meeting in Nashua, N.H., who criticized Clinton and said it’s a good thing Obama chose Biden over her.

“Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Lets get that straight,” Biden said in Clinton’s defense.

“She’s easily qualified to be vice president … and quite frankly, might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate. I mean that sincerely. She is first rate. So let’s get that straight,” he said

think Hillary would be dumb enough to climb aboard this sinking ship?

434 goofeeem  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:54:40pm

re: #426 Alberta Oil Peon

Now that's change you can believe in!

LMAO - Maybe she could do some campaign commercials

435 esch  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:54:44pm

re: #426 Alberta Oil Peon

LMAO

A penny for your twats?

436 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:54:59pm

re: #313 WriterMom

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

It is Elul. We will still be here 2000 years after them. Am Chai Y'Israel.

437 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:55:08pm

re: #429 goddessoftheclassroom

Good night, dear Lizards. May all our electrons stay where they're supposed to be!

Statistically speaking our electrons could be anywhere.

438 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:55:18pm

re: #412 Intrepid

This guy wrote a book saying that America needs Barack Obama's economic policies if there is any hope for the economy to recover. Hannity lit into him by saying that of course he would think that, he's a fan of Obama and is voting for him! Author dude and Hannity started going at it, and author even said "goddamn" about something.

I do not think this man will ever be a guest there again.

Yeah he threatened to walk off and Hannity said "go on, go"

439 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:55:30pm

String theory with a renowned physicist.


Youtube Video

440 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:55:33pm

re: #432 Killian Bundy

/you'd have to pay me lots of money to stand next to it at impact


Are you kidding?... That's how, like, 63% of super-heros are created!

441 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:55:39pm

re: #390 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Ouzo's gotta chill.

As soon as I answered, I thought of that:
Greeks-Let Ouzo chill.
Russians-Let Vodka freeze.
etc.
The few Kentucky Orthodox I know prefer Bourbon (although Bourbon County is dry (no alcohol sales)) for some reason.

442 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:56:29pm

re: #407 Killian Bundy

Still like to know how they physically engineer the collision chamber to contain fast moving particles that can pass freely through solid matter.

/and whether string theory is valid

There is a small chance of LHC shedding some light on the validity of String Theory.

443 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:56:34pm

re: #404 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah, something like that. My degrees are not in anything electrical or power related I was just helping in other areas.

444 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:56:42pm

re: #433 spidly

Chuckle;

think Hillary would be dumb enough to climb aboard this sinking ship?

No. She'll wave at Obama as he slips under the waves. And start running for 2012.

445 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:56:49pm

re: #407 Killian Bundy

They aren't really containing the particles, though they do have lead liners and other materials. They're using detectors to check the tracks, and matching energy levels to figure out which particles are what.

This stuff is pretty amazing.

Oh, and google had a doodle for the day.

Wonder whether they'll do something tomorrow.

446 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:57:05pm

re: #401 Sharmuta

leftist meltdown is so fascinating to watch. Pass the popcorn.

In the 18th Century, there were guided tours led through Bedlam. It was thought instructive (as well as profitable) to contemplate the course of the mind in derangement. Such tours through mental institutions are now considered gauche, but today any American can take a tour of lefty derangement by tuning into the Democrats on TV.

447 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:57:11pm

re: #421 So?

Now you're talking eldila.

/Channeling C.S. Lewis.

448 Carridine  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:57:22pm

re: #423 Sharmuta

"swiftboat politics"

Politics of asking ACTUAL WITNESSES to THE FACTS, ABOUT THE FACTS, in a FACTUAL and CREDIBLE MANNER...

/yeah, Sharmy, I'LL VOTE for THAT SwiftBoat! :D

449 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:57:56pm

re: #441 David IV of Georgia

As soon as I answered, I thought of that:
Greeks-Let Ouzo chill.
Russians-Let Vodka freeze.
etc.
The few Kentucky Orthodox I know prefer Bourbon (although Bourbon County is dry (no alcohol sales)) for some reason.

Bourbon shouldn't chill. It's nice like that, though, but it should be neat.

Where could I find some Blanton's? For some reason, it's so hard to find in Canada. :(

450 Guy_Philly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:58:02pm

it's the ultimate Catch-22:

The LHC just produced the Boson Higgs, and we've discovered all the secrets of the universe! It's ... [a large sucking sound is heard as the entire universe is sucked into the small black hole that scientists just produced]

BANG!

and so one universe ends as another begins ... 400 billion years before the next smart ass gets the bright idea of creating a black hole!

451 Palandine  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:58:50pm

re: #345 David IV of Georgia

Well that's reassuring, at least. ;)

Although, considering the relationship between space and time, I wonder if it would FEEL instantaneous, or interminable...

452 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:59:28pm

re: #313 WriterMom

Dear Horrible Jew Hating British Bitch:

Please stop desecrating the memory of the Holocaust because of your love for terrorists and your pathetic hatred of the Jews. And please, have a nice big cup of STFU and GTF out of the Middle East.

F*cuk you very much!

YNet has been trying to overtake Haaretz as the Hebrew Al Jazeera.

453 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:59:48pm

re: #399 saberry0530

We've gotten lasers to work (transmit power) at distances over 30 miles in good weather.

what kind of laser? (chemical, dpss, diode ...)

454 Carridine  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 6:59:53pm

re: #428 LudwigVanQuixote

I personally know some of the people who are working on it. I can verify that a "sequel" is well on the way.

and Mel Gibson is starting principle filming for a movie about Mona, a 14-year-old girl hung by Iranian Muslims for teaching children's classes... a positive film to enhance the negatives shown in the Obsession sequel, Ludwig

455 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:00:03pm

Ok here is my physics thought that keeps me awake later than I should be.

Does light always have to interact with another particle?

If it does not then the universe is expanding because that light wave/particle would just keep going creating new space (and in combination universe) right along its expanse (trajectory just does not seem to be an accurate term).

If it does, I am not really sure if there is any conclusion on the expanding universe question but there are some real similarities to gravity because it too has to interact with another particle.

OK, I'll shut up and keep thinking on it.

456 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:00:41pm

Hey guys - I need a hand here. Got a nasty worm despite the antivirus that I had. I've been cleaning the machine ALL DAY! At any rate, I'm trying to run a search on Google for antivirus to get something better than I've been using and google just will not search. Is anyone else having this problem? And does anyone have antivirus suggestions - not AVG (too slow!) not PcCillin - there is a corrupted file in their download that keeps giving me the blue screen of death and not Zone Alarm - such a memory hog it takes an hour to reboot the computer. . . . . thanks!

457 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:00:57pm

re: #449 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Bourbon shouldn't chill. It's nice like that, though, but it should be neat.

Where could I find some Blanton's? For some reason, it's so hard to find in Canada. :(

I suggest contacting the company, they may know who distributes it.

458 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:01:21pm

re: #430 jcm

Very similar concepts for containment / acceleration.

I have a friend who is pioneering pulse plasma fusion for the military as a civilian. It'll get us to Mars if we can figure out the whole radiation problem.

/Obama will probably take his job away

459 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:01:44pm

re: #451 Palandine

Well that's reassuring, at least. ;)

Although, considering the relationship between space and time, I wonder if it would FEEL instantaneous, or interminable...

I don't think I'll try testing that...

460 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:02:00pm

re: #383 David IV of Georgia

Repetition. Actually the service can be done in thirty minutes if the priest doesn't wax eloquent in a sermon. Should I get married, I'll try to get a bishop—they've learned to wax eloquent concisely.

hahaha i was just kindof teasing you....
I love wedding season!
Have you ever seen the movie my big fat greek wedding? love that movie!
Well I'm a german catholic that married a jewish girl..both with huge families..we have 5 kids...we need a sceeenplay.
Well we weren't getting married at the church nor the Temple..
We had a huge garden marriage..and although we both had issues with our families..(and no..I'm not a nice jewish boy ) We fell in love and someday..hey i've already had 2000 posts so i'm going to start telling jokes about what it's like to be married into a huge jewish family..
if i can't tell you funny stories ..who can? We had a few issues at first..But for our first Christmas my in-laws gave me a solid silver star of david with a cross inside of it...Our families are really close..
Thus the reason i have so much funny stuff to talk about..

461 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:02:25pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Thanks for an informed explanation. I though about trying to answer that question but I'm glad I didn't embarrass myself by attempting it.

Thank you for liking it. :)

462 Big Steve  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:02:27pm

I have heard many talking head women explain that they are insulted by McCain assuming that they would just vote for any old women and that this is cynical. As an "older" white guy I just want to let you know that I am insulted by Obama's cynical attempt to pander for my vote by selecting Biden.

463 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:02:52pm

re: #403 Cap'n DOC

Counties, Hell. How about states?


Patience grasshopper, for want of a nail etc., small events can have cumulative effects. Do not stop working. Help I am being held prisoner in a chinese fortune cookie factory.

464 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:03:00pm

re: #442 LudwigVanQuixote

There is a small chance of LHC shedding some light on the validity of String Theory.

/okay, but what's your opinion on string theory?

465 kevinmumaw  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:03:21pm

Funny thing is, I woke up this morning at 0430, the electricity was out. I took a shower by candlelight.

466 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:03:51pm

re: #462 Big Steve

He would really be pandering if he selected Raquel Welch.

467 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:03:58pm

re: #442 LudwigVanQuixote

There is a small chance of LHC shedding some light on the validity of String Theory.

I do not think the flux is very large on these things, so once you get a ways a way the radiation density drops off pretty fast. The particles have a lot of energy but there are not many of them. I have only been inside two colliders and in both cases we were not anywhere near the beams during runs. The bigger one was underground and the other was behind many feet of concrete, it was also much lower energy but high flux. You get hit by high energy particles all the time, just not enough to kill you.

468 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:04:16pm

re: #458 Killian Bundy

I have a friend who is pioneering pulse plasma fusion for the military as a civilian. It'll get us to Mars if we can figure out the whole radiation problem.

/Obama will probably take his job away

Radiation is a production of sub-atomic decay, if we understand the building blocks of matter (the LHC) we might figure out how to get the energy, and control the radiation.

469 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:04:59pm

re: #457 David IV of Georgia

I suggest contacting the company, they may know who distributes it.

Dude, I could hug you for that site. Thanks!

470 Palandine  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:05:26pm

re: #412 Intrepid

This guy wrote a book saying that America needs Barack Obama's economic policies if there is any hope for the economy to recover.

Obama HAS economic policies?

/Palandine's seen a lot of Marx and Engels, but not a lot of Obama

471 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:06:11pm

String Theory---Part 2

Youtube Video


It's really good, catch part 1

472 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:06:17pm

re: #470 Palandine

Obama HAS economic policies?

/Palandine's seen a lot of Marx and Engels, but not a lot of Obama

Yes, he does. Economic policies that have been disproven over and over in various places in the world for the last 100 years. Marxism.

473 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:06:58pm

re: #432 Killian Bundy

here's a little bit on the detector

Due to their low mass, both positrons and electrons lose energy rapidly by a process known as `bremsstrahlung'; this leads to an inwardly spiralling track by which these particles are recognised

Being lightweight and polarized, Obama and Biden are also undergoing a form of bremsstrahlung known as "circling the bowl"

474 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:07:14pm

re: #433 spidly

There's no way in hell. It's too costly financially as well as politically.

475 stevieray  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:07:26pm

re: #456 galloping granny

eset

a squared

ewido

476 Optimizer  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:08:23pm

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
14NOV2007

An impoverished surfer has drawn up a new theory of the universe, seen by some as the Holy Grail of physics, which has received rave reviews from scientists.

Garrett Lisi, 39, has a doctorate but no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii, where he has also been a hiking guide and bridge builder (when he slept in a jungle yurt).

...

Even better, it does not require more than one dimension of time and three of space, when some rival theories need ten or even more spatial dimensions and other bizarre concepts. And it may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year.

...

The crucial test of Lisi's work will come only when he has made testable predictions. Lisi is now calculating the masses that the 20 new particles should have, in the hope that they may be spotted when the Large Hadron Collider starts up.

"The theory is very young, and still in development," he told the Telegraph. "Right now, I'd assign a low (but not tiny) likelyhood to this prediction.

"For comparison, I think the chances are higher that LHC will see some of these particles than it is that the LHC will see superparticles, extra dimensions, or micro black holes as predicted by string theory. I hope to get more (and different) predictions, with more confidence, out of this E8 Theory over the next year, before the LHC comes online."

477 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:08:35pm

re: #456 galloping granny

ESET NOD32.

478 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:08:35pm

re: #450 Guy_Philly

it's the ultimate Catch-22:

The LHC just produced the Boson Higgs, and we've discovered all the secrets of the universe! It's ... [a large sucking sound is heard as the entire universe is sucked into the small black hole that scientists just produced]

BANG!

and so one universe ends as another begins ... 400 billion years before the next smart ass gets the bright idea of creating a black hole!

Even scarier the giant sucking sound was made by the jobs of all the particle physicists going to Mexico.

479 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:08:48pm

Bah, no Sarah Palin on C-SPAN yet, just Ron Paul(!)

480 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:09:00pm

re: #445 lawhawk

They aren't really containing the particles, though they do have lead liners and other materials. They're using detectors to check the tracks, and matching energy levels to figure out which particles are what.

I get that part, colliders aren't anything new.

/it's just smaller particles imparted with more energy than ever before are that much harder to physically contain, magnetic fields makes sense, same as fusion containment

481 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:09:27pm

re: #475 stevieray

eset

a squared

ewido

Thanks stevieray!

482 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:09:39pm

re: #464 Killian Bundy

/okay, but what's your opinion on string theory?

I actually started out in string theory before I got into the chaos game.

My opinion is that on the one hand, as currently formulated, it can not possibly be the ultimate theory of everything. We don't know which of the possible string theories applies to this universe and you have to play some very interesting games to get around the fact that we have a cosmological constant. If you ever on physics jeopardy, you can say that we run into some issues with anti-DeSitter space.

On the other hand, string theory has shed entirely too much light on the inner workings of Field Theory for it to be empty of worth. Whatever the theory of everything is, I am certain it will contain ideas from string theory.

483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:10:14pm

Hey folks. Whew...thought we were goners when they fired that thang up. But, alas...here I be.

Sigh!

484 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:10:45pm

If Bush had not lost to Clinton we would be destroying the world from Texas instead of Europe. : ) Clinton would not fund a giant science project in Texas. He also decimated NASA funding. Medical research funding did better but the hard sciences were neglected under Clinton.

485 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:10:49pm

re: #467 Fredlike

I do not think the flux is very large on these things, so once you get a ways a way the radiation density drops off pretty fast. The particles have a lot of energy but there are not many of them. I have only been inside two colliders and in both cases we were not anywhere near the beams during runs. The bigger one was underground and the other was behind many feet of concrete, it was also much lower energy but high flux. You get hit by high energy particles all the time, just not enough to kill you.

Actually there is a massive luminosity in the beam. Otherwise, there would be almost no events to record. However, the beams are very well contained.

486 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:11:26pm

re: #484 Fredlike

If Bush had not lost to Clinton we would be destroying the world from Texas instead of Europe. : ) Clinton would not fund a giant science project in Texas. He also decimated NASA funding. Medical research funding did better but the hard sciences were neglected under Clinton.

Actually, it was Bush Senior who killed the SSC.

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:11:31pm

Any new news on Ron Paul turning down McCain's request for his support?

488 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:11:38pm

re: #449 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Bourbon shouldn't chill. It's nice like that, though, but it should be neat.

Where could I find some Blanton's? For some reason, it's so hard to find in Canada. :(

I highly suggest you check a truly wonderful batch of bourbons: Knob Creek, Booker's, Baker's and--of course--Basil Hayden's.

489 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:11:45pm

re: #475 stevieray

eset

a squared

ewido

My license for AVG antivirus has expired, and I've been told that the new version has become bloated, and a resource hog. Is this true, and if so, have you any recommendations for a replacement? I'm quite willing to pay for a program, if it comes well recommended.

490 Palandine  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:11:46pm

re: #472 galloping granny

Word. You're talking to a girl who just bought another $100 worth of pre-1965 silver dimes. :)

I'm worried about the economy regardless, but horrified if Obama manages to win....

491 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:11:48pm

re: #436 LudwigVanQuixote

Perhaps it will a long time before she gets to leave, hopefully long enough for her to wake up from her delusions.

492 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:11:52pm

re: #456 galloping granny

To enhance my suggestion, it has three separate 'engines', a file scanner, an email scanner, and an internet scanner. Smaller footprint than some of the other offerings. I would suggest getting something, and cleaning after disconnecting your machine from the web.

493 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:12:07pm

re: #192 Killian Bundy

This is about all the string theory I can handle.

494 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:12:11pm

I like Michio Kaku

495 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:12:21pm

re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any new news on Ron Paul turning down McCain's request for his support?

He was last seen cling to a bar of gold screaming MINE, ALL MINE!

496 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:12:25pm

re: #465 kevinmumaw

Funny thing is, I woke up this morning at 0430, the electricity was out. I took a shower by candlelight.

Where was the candle so that it didn't get wet?

497 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:12:27pm

re: #460 HoosierHoops

hahaha i was just kindof teasing you....
I love wedding season!
Have you ever seen the movie my big fat greek wedding? love that movie!
Well I'm a german catholic that married a jewish girl..both with huge families..we have 5 kids...we need a sceeenplay.
Well we weren't getting married at the church nor the Temple..
We had a huge garden marriage..and although we both had issues with our families..(and no..I'm not a nice jewish boy ) We fell in love and someday..hey i've already had 2000 posts so i'm going to start telling jokes about what it's like to be married into a huge jewish family..
if i can't tell you funny stories ..who can? We had a few issues at first..But for our first Christmas my in-laws gave me a solid silver star of david with a cross inside of it...Our families are really close..
Thus the reason i have so much funny stuff to talk about..

Eastern Orthodox Weddings sometimes catch people who are used to Catholic/Protestant weddings by surprise—the vows and "I do"s were all taken care of in the Betrothal*—the Wedding is basically a celebration of what God has done bringing the two people together and prayers for their happiness and success (and lots of children).

*The Betrothal may happen immediately before the wedding or years before. In modern practice it is usually performed with the wedding or in the week before.

498 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:12:58pm

re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any new news on Ron Paul turning down McCain's request for his support?

I've been wondering if that call ever even happened.

499 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:13:07pm

re: #468 jcm

Radiation is a production of sub-atomic decay, if we understand the building blocks of matter (the LHC) we might figure out how to get the energy, and control the radiation.

Actually, I was referring to the astronauts.

/unless we figure out the shielding against deep space radiation, they're toast, don't even bother going

500 Fredlike  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:13:11pm

re: #486 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, it was Bush Senior who killed the SSC.

Thought it went down when Clinton came in and Bush was a big supporter, but I will take your word for it.

501 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:13:17pm

So- by biden saying hillary is more qualified to be the VP- is biden questioning 0bama's judgment?

502 stevieray  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:13:24pm

re: #481 galloping granny

Thanks stevieray!

Happy hunting!

503 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:13:39pm

re: #488 MandyManners

I highly suggest you check a truly wonderful batch of bourbons: Knob Creek, Booker's, Baker's and--of course--Basil Hayden's.

But can I get them in Canada? It's hard enough to find Sam Adams here as it is.

504 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:13:53pm

re: #493 lawhawk

This is about all the string theory I can handle.

If he breaks a g-string, does it create a black hole.

Hey, he stole a riff from Jeff beck.

505 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:14:02pm

re: #489 Alberta Oil Peon

The first one stevieray suggested. Very small footprint because the scanners run independent of each other, and the updates are very small.

506 Palandine  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:14:03pm

re: #483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey folks. Whew...thought we were goners when they fired that thang up. But, alas...here I be.

Sigh!

Except now you're a skinny carnivore of known parentage :)

507 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:14:18pm

re: #482 LudwigVanQuixote

I actually started out in string theory before I got into the chaos game.

My opinion is that on the one hand, as currently formulated, it can not possibly be the ultimate theory of everything. We don't know which of the possible string theories applies to this universe and you have to play some very interesting games to get around the fact that we have a cosmological constant. If you ever on physics jeopardy, you can say that we run into some issues with anti-DeSitter space.

On the other hand, string theory has shed entirely too much light on the inner workings of Field Theory for it to be empty of worth. Whatever the theory of everything is, I am certain it will contain ideas from string theory.

/thank you

508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:14:19pm

re: #498 MandyManners

I've been wondering if that call ever even happened.

Oh, me too. Just wondering if any de-bunking happened.

509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:14:43pm

re: #506 Palandine

Except now you're a skinny carnivore of known parentage :)

heh!

510 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:15:08pm

Watch the MSM and the Democrats promote Ron Paul's sock puppet Barr as the alternative to Obama, not surprised if they "bump into each other" and have an on camera debate.

511 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:15:30pm

re: #489 Alberta Oil Peon

AVG still has a free version and they are keeping the definitions up to date.

512 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:16:06pm

re: #489 Alberta Oil Peon

My license for AVG antivirus has expired, and I've been told that the new version has become bloated, and a resource hog. Is this true, and if so, have you any recommendations for a replacement? I'm quite willing to pay for a program, if it comes well recommended.

The bloated AVG was why I put in Comodo, which is supposed to be quite good by obviously is not. I've been through three of them so far today.

513 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:16:07pm

re: #488 MandyManners

I highly suggest you check a truly wonderful batch of bourbons: Knob Creek, Booker's, Baker's and--of course--Basil Hayden's.

"Highly SUGGEST"? Why don't I just bust his left nut, too, while I'm at it!

514 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:16:49pm

re: #482 LudwigVanQuixote

Are there more than four dimensions?

/in your opinion

515 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:17:07pm

re: #513 MandyManners

"Highly SUGGEST"? Why don't I just bust his left nut, too, while I'm at it!

I think I'd turn into a WAB if you did that...

516 Alouette  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:17:55pm

re: #460 HoosierHoops

hahaha i was just kindof teasing you....
I love wedding season!
Have you ever seen the movie my big fat greek wedding? love that movie!
Well I'm a german catholic that married a jewish girl..both with huge families..we have 5 kids...we need a sceeenplay.
Well we weren't getting married at the church nor the Temple..
We had a huge garden marriage..and although we both had issues with our families..(and no..I'm not a nice jewish boy ) We fell in love and someday..hey i've already had 2000 posts so i'm going to start telling jokes about what it's like to be married into a huge jewish family..
if i can't tell you funny stories ..who can? We had a few issues at first..But for our first Christmas my in-laws gave me a solid silver star of david with a cross inside of it...Our families are really close..
Thus the reason i have so much funny stuff to talk about..

You know nothing about huge Jewish families. Take it from me. I have 9 kids, 21 grandkids. My son is getting married to a girl from Alabama who is the oldest of 8 kids.

Yes, let's hear your jokes about huge Jewish families. I double dog dare ya.

517 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:18:12pm

re: #499 Killian Bundy

Actually, I was referring to the astronauts.

/unless we figure out the shielding against deep space radiation, they're toast, don't even bother going

This is true. Fried like an egg.

518 oldbennevis  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:18:13pm

re: #456 galloping granny

Avast.com I've used it for years.

519 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:18:26pm

Pardon my ignorance, but is it conceivable that if enough matter were to be sucked into the black hole with us, we might not even notice?

520 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:19:19pm

I'm ready for doomsday. I went out today and purchased some heavy-duty bungee cords, in case the black hole tries to vacuum me in.

521 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:19:52pm

Your Mama is so fat. If she gained another pound, she would collapse in on herself and become a black hole.

522 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:20:07pm

re: #503 Badge of Kaffir Pride

But can I get them in Canada? It's hard enough to find Sam Adams here as it is.

I apologize for coming across as a snotty bourbonista.

This link might have some informatio about ordering it on-line in Canada.

[Link: www.internetwines.com...]

523 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:20:33pm

re: #507 Killian Bundy

/thank you

You are very welcome. String theory in some form will be with us for some time. However, I also should have said that we should not bet that the Heirarchy problem will just go away.

524 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:21:36pm

Wow.
Hadron Collider/string theory.
Bourbon.
Orthodox weddings.
Antivirus software.
Ron Paul.
Whats next?
Hard for a bible/gun clinger hick to follow.

But I'm gettin' edjukatud. Thx.

525 Luigi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:21:36pm

In a stunning piece of media control, the Rev. Wright sex scandal has now come and gone without ever being picked up by the wire services. No CNN, no NBC, no ABC. No nothin'.

[Link: news.google.com...]

526 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:22:00pm

re: #522 MandyManners

I apologize for coming across as a snotty bourbonista.

This link might have some informatio about ordering it on-line in Canada.

[Link: www.internetwines.com...]

Nope, not snotty at all. Your street cred reverberates here... even to us noobs to LGF.

527 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:22:01pm

How do you flatter a black hole?
Tell it that it sucks.

What did the macho black hole say to the less macho black hole?
“My hole is smaller than yours.”

What did the supernova say to the black hole it was trying to pick up?
I felt strongly attracted to you from across the room.

528 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:22:16pm

Mandy Manners,
You often promote Stuck Mojo for things like, say tomorrow 9-11. Have you heard this?

Youtube Video

529 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:22:40pm

re: #508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, me too. Just wondering if any de-bunking happened.

I simply cannot imagine that such a call ever took place.

Maybe there was a call but, I doubt that was the content.

530 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:23:42pm

re: #523 LudwigVanQuixote

I also should have said that we should not bet that the Heirarchy problem will just go away.

/Heirarchy problems never do

531 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:23:42pm

Not all stars become black holes. Some of them become accountants. Many astrophysicists claim this is a semantic argument.

Teacher to black hole: I’ve never had a student as dense as you are.
Black hole: Thank you, Sensei.

What do you say to a black hole to make it feel self-conscious?
“Oh, I think I saw a little flash of light there.”

532 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:23:48pm

re: #10 lawhawk

Biden is just saying nice things about Hillary. Biden doesn't have a core anti-constituency of 48% of the American electorate. Hillary would have lost the ticket more votes than she could have won it.

533 KZnextzone  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:24:24pm

Woo Hooo First Post...

Woahhh

watch running backwards must get back to......

534 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:24:33pm

re: #526 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Nope, not snotty at all. Your street cred reverberates here... even to us noobs to LGF.

You're not such a noob!

But, seriously, the Small Batch group is marvelous. Give it a go if you get the chance.

535 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:24:47pm

re: #516 Alouette

that's great..we'll we are going to have some great stories to tell
regards
the hoopster
and good night all

536 stevieray  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:25:21pm

re: #489 Alberta Oil Peon

My license for AVG antivirus has expired, and I've been told that the new version has become bloated, and a resource hog. Is this true, and if so, have you any recommendations for a replacement? I'm quite willing to pay for a program, if it comes well recommended.

Currently I'm using Zone Alarm Security Suite, but I hesitate to recommend it.

On the plus side, they have a good user forum, with gurus who actually answer questions quickly, in [relatively] plain english, and will follow up to see if their advice is working for you.

On the downside, I've been having problems with it suddenly deciding to run unscheduled deep virus scans [and grabbing 95% of available memory -- time to reboot!], but curiously that only happens on my XP Pro desktop; I haven't had a single problem on my Vista laptop.

I've heard good things about Bit Defender, but I haven't tried it myself.

537 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:25:51pm

re: #534 MandyManners

You're not such a noob!

But, seriously, the Small Batch group is marvelous. Give it a go if you get the chance.

Sure, I am. Only been registered two weeks... but a lurker for months.

I'll try to find them around here sometime but I don't like my chances.

538 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:26:10pm

re: #519 sparrowlake

Pardon my ignorance, but is it conceivable that if enough matter were to be sucked into the black hole with us, we might not even notice?

If all is the same after being sucked into a black hole and we did not notice the change then a second of time within the black hole is less than the time it took to suck the universe into it.

539 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:26:39pm

“So many black holes, so little time”

“Look what the black hole sucked in.”

“Curiosity killed the white dwarf”

540 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:27:29pm

How many black holes can fit on the head of a pin?


Answer: All of them.

541 J.D.  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:28:15pm

re: #534 MandyManners

I'm surprised you didn't mention Woodford Reserve. It's another very good one.

542 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:28:52pm

re: #528 David IV of Georgia

Mandy Manners,
You often promote Stuck Mojo for things like, say tomorrow 9-11. Have you heard this? [Link: www.youtube.com...]

I'm not an expert at this sort of thing but, the video doesn't move along sufficiently.

However, I like the music.

But, I don't know crap about this.

543 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:29:02pm

re: #514 Killian Bundy

Are there more than four dimensions?

/in your opinion

It is certainly possible. I would even say it is likely. While I do not believe that everything in string theory as currently formulated will be with us forever, I do believe that many of the string ideas will be in the final theory.

I think that the situation is much like the early days of QM. There was the Bohr atom before we had the Schroedinger picture and the ability to caluclate the energy bands. Bohr's energy levels are still there, but he knew full well he didn't yet have the complete picture at the time.

That said, the extra dimensions in string theory are mathematically demanded by the starting suppositions. String theory starts by assuming not point particles, but rather extended objects - strings.

Later, it turns out that the vibrational modes on the strings correspond to the different quantum fields.

However, once you postulate these extended objects, you then demand that they behave in accordance with the core principles of physics - things like energy conservation, Poincare-Lorenz invariance (relativity holds) and another requirement that the Lie Algebra closes.

Whatever closing a Lie Algebra means, the only way that it can be done, once you have postulated these extended objects, is to place them in a higher dimensional space.

So... like I said, I believe that some string ideas will ultimately prove true. If so, the extra dimensions are demanded.

544 Clemente  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:29:43pm

re: #489 Alberta Oil Peon

My license for AVG antivirus has expired, and I've been told that the new version has become bloated, and a resource hog. Is this true, and if so, have you any recommendations for a replacement? I'm quite willing to pay for a program, if it comes well recommended.

I use and recommend Avast. Auto-update, resource-friendly, free for home users.

And, Granny, they also have an off-line cleaner, which I suggest you give a try. Download and save it to your desktop, then reboot to safe mode and run it.

545 Chris in Toronto  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:29:59pm

Charles: "So we have that to look forward to."

How droll! Love it!

546 Killer Tomato  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:30:03pm

So does this mean I don't have to worry about Christmas shopping this year?

547 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:30:06pm

re: #519 sparrowlake

Pardon my ignorance, but is it conceivable that if enough matter were to be sucked into the black hole with us, we might not even notice?

I believe that if massive amounts of super glue were factored into that hypothesis, than yes - everything might hold together and our surroundings might appear exactly the same.

/BTW, I purchased my PHD in physics from an insert in Grit magazine

548 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:30:11pm

re: #500 Fredlike

According to wiki, it was canceled by Congress in 1993. Clinton tried to keep it going.

549 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:30:27pm
550 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:30:56pm

re: #538 Piglet-U93

Actually I meant greater than

551 J.D.  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:31:02pm

re: #547 Cartman

But did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

552 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:31:16pm

Michio Kaku on String Theory 1

/there's three more parts

553 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:31:39pm

re: #537 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Sure, I am. Only been registered two weeks... but a lurker for months.

I'll try to find them around here sometime but I don't like my chances.

Google is your friend.

554 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:31:59pm
555 KZnextzone  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:32:25pm

Would it be easier to get heaven into a black hole

or Bill Gates into a camel?

556 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:32:26pm

I'd be more concerned about Obama's rumored meeting with Bill Clinton tomorrow. THAT could truly be destructive.

557 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:32:27pm

Danish google | Many English speakers have already adopted the word 'Google' as a verb, but now it has officially entered the Danish lexicon as well. The Danish language council announced that it will feature in the new spelling dictionary, reports 24 Timer newspaper. Senior researcher Jørgen Schack said it is not an official word but will feature because it has become such a part of everyday language. It is still rare for a trademark to be included in the dictionary, with only 43 out of the 64,000 entries in the current edition being trademarks. (kr)

558 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:32:27pm
559 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:32:44pm

re: #543 LudwigVanQuixote

Michio Kaku claims there are 11 dimensions. He says other string theorists claim there are 13 and some go as high as 22. I don't think these guys will ever reach a consensus unless the boson has something bosonian to say.

560 Killer Tomato  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:32:45pm

re: #549 ploome hineni

You mean like, a journalist?!
hahahahahahaha

561 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:32:50pm

re: #541 J.D.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Woodford Reserve. It's another very good one.

Yes, it is but, I have a thing for Basil.

562 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:32:52pm

re: #532 lostlakehiker

I believe that Hillary would have won or lost the election against McCain by a small percentage +/-1 points. While she's got high negatives, she does remain appealing to many because she sounds moderate, knows how to play the game, and can invoke the Clinton economic years (you just have to forget the .com bubble, the foreign policy fiascos, and terrorism on their watch).

Obama was more likely to produce a blow out, or lose in a landslide of epic proportions.

563 WrathofG-d  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:32:56pm

re: #542 MandyManners

How about this one from that same band.

564 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:33:13pm
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." - Joe Biden

So why did Barack Obama pick Joe Biden?

Whats up with that?

565 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:33:26pm
566 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:33:27pm

re: #536 stevieray

Currently I'm using Zone Alarm Security Suite, but I hesitate to recommend it.

On the plus side, they have a good user forum, with gurus who actually answer questions quickly, in [relatively] plain english, and will follow up to see if their advice is working for you.

On the downside, I've been having problems with it suddenly deciding to run unscheduled deep virus scans [and grabbing 95% of available memory -- time to reboot!], but curiously that only happens on my XP Pro desktop; I haven't had a single problem on my Vista laptop.

I've heard good things about Bit Defender, but I haven't tried it myself.


I switched over from Symantec to AVG because the latest version of Symantec was not only bloated, it offered no "tuning" ability, as far as I could determine.
If you think AVG is bloated and resource-hogging, you'd absolutely hate Symantec.
I refuse to use MacAffee because you have to have ActiveX enabled just to get it off the website.
I do not "do" ActiveX while on the 'net. That includes downloading AntiVirus programs.

567 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:33:31pm

What if we're not really here. Nothing is real - all a fantasy - a cosmic dream.
Damn, I just bought condo and it's not even real.

568 J.D.  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:34:05pm

re: #561 MandyManners

Well, I rarely drink it any more. I'm onto red wine. You know, health food.
;-)

569 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:34:24pm

re: #555 KZnextzone

Would it be easier to get heaven into a black hole

or Bill Gates into a camel?

That depends on how drunk Bill Gates is at the time.

570 Killer Tomato  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:34:30pm

re: #567 Ay, Caramba

So look at the bright side.
You won't have to clean it.

571 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:34:37pm
572 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:35:03pm

re: #552 Killian Bundy

Michio Kaku on String Theory 1

/there's three more parts

I know...I posted part 1 & 2 hoping this intellectual crowd could find the rest on their own...unless YouTube has already been sucked into the hole.

573 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:36:16pm

re: #564 Syrah

So why did Barack Obama pick Joe Biden?

Whats up with that?

He needed to shore up his lack of experience, his foreign policy, and someone who wasn't Hillary Clinton.

And as a thank you, biden is now questioning 0bama's judgment.

574 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:36:21pm

re: #566 jwb7605

I switched over from Symantec to AVG because the latest version of Symantec was not only bloated, it offered no "tuning" ability, as far as I could determine.
If you think AVG is bloated and resource-hogging, you'd absolutely hate Symantec.
I refuse to use MacAffee because you have to have ActiveX enabled just to get it off the website.
I do not "do" ActiveX while on the 'net. That includes downloading AntiVirus programs.

Does anyone around here have experience with Kaspersky? I have been looking at several security suites and have seen some good test results and reviews.

575 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:36:22pm

re: #558 ploome hineni

but how do you spell google?

the number 1 with 100 zeroes after it is a googol.

576 formercorpsman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:37:07pm

re: #460 HoosierHoops

hahaha i was just kindof teasing you....
I love wedding season!
Have you ever seen the movie my big fat greek wedding? love that movie!
Well I'm a german catholic that married a jewish girl..both with huge families..we have 5 kids...we need a sceeenplay.
Well we weren't getting married at the church nor the Temple..
We had a huge garden marriage..and although we both had issues with our families..(and no..I'm not a nice jewish boy ) We fell in love and someday..hey i've already had 2000 posts so i'm going to start telling jokes about what it's like to be married into a huge jewish family..
if i can't tell you funny stories ..who can? We had a few issues at first..But for our first Christmas my in-laws gave me a solid silver star of david with a cross inside of it...Our families are really close..
Thus the reason i have so much funny stuff to talk about..

You made my night. Seriously.

I will sleep better knowing what you wrote.

577 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:37:20pm

re: #575 Mich-again

the number 1 with 100 zeroes after it is a googol.

Googol Girl

578 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:37:53pm

re: #567 Ay, Caramba

What if we're not really here. Nothing is real - all a fantasy - a cosmic dream.
Damn, I just bought condo and it's not even real.

Since you are really not here, and nothing is real, how about buying us all a round of drinks. I mean seriously, if its all just play money and we are all just figments of your imagination, make us happy, buy your delusions a couple of drinks.

579 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:37:58pm

re: #545 Chris in Toronto

Charles: "So we have that to look forward to."

How droll! Love it!

I thought that was kind of an oblique reference to Caddyshack.

580 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:38:30pm

re: #571 ploome hineni

McAfee and Norton are viruses

feh

Well, they certainly have symptoms like a virus.
Long live AVG free.

581 Clemente  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:38:51pm

re: #571 ploome hineni

McAfee and Norton are viruses

feh

troo dat!

582 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:39:09pm

re: #578 Syrah

I just did but you refused yours.

583 musicman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:39:20pm

re: #564 Syrah

So why did Barack Obama pick Joe Biden?

Whats up with that?

He would always have to keep looking over his shoulder.

584 Naso Tang  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:40:23pm

re: #33 LoFlyer

Still one has to wonder if some of the more esoteric experiments with unknown and possibly catastrophic results would be better performed some place else, like outer space or something like that. Of course a black hole would probably destroy our solar system so anywhere within our system is off limits and we cannot perform these experiments extra-solar due to technology and financial constraints. I personally do not trust scientists after they all mostly bought into global warming!

They mostly all also bought into evolution. Your logic has flaws, largely of comprehension.

585 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:40:33pm
586 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:40:49pm

re: #571 ploome hineni

McAfee and Norton are viruses

feh

McAffee was required "by corporate" at my last job. It was so bad it screwed the server up and "broke" our MySQL database. Took almost a week for McAffee to admit it was their fault and issue a patch. The fact that several ISP's (Comcast, for sure) provide it for "free" ought to be a warning of something.

I had no problem with Norton until about 3 revisions ago. After that, the program became unmanageable. Literally.

The BIGGEST problem with either of the above is trying to uninstall all the software. I've discovered that knowing how to edit the registry is critical for either one of them after an uninstall.

587 KZnextzone  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:40:52pm

You want a huge number?

Population Brasil:

175 million Brazillian..

588 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:41:12pm

re: #583 musicman

He would always have to keep looking over his shoulder.

Yeah, headline: Obama found dead in wooded area, possible suicide.

589 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:41:14pm

Wait. If the LHC does create black holes, we all stand a good chance of getting sucked into France.


Shut it down NOW!

590 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:41:27pm

re: #538 Piglet-U93

If all is the same after being sucked into a black hole and we did not notice the change then a second of time within the black hole is less than the time it took to suck the universe into it.

Can a black hole suck and blow at the same time?

591 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:41:34pm

re: #574 Gearhead

Does anyone around here have experience with Kaspersky? I have been looking at several security suites and have seen some good test results and reviews.

I've heard good things, but have never personally seen a box with it installed.

592 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:41:37pm

re: #567 Ay, Caramba

What if we're not really here. Nothing is real - all a fantasy - a cosmic dream.
Damn, I just bought condo and it's not even real.

To test that theory, you should skip your next couple of payments.

593 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:41:49pm

re: #582 Ay, Caramba

I just did but you refused yours.

That was my evil twin. Probably sold you that condo too.

Try again. A margarita please, frozen with a salted rim.

594 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:41:56pm

I will give the Eset package a try. They have a 30-day free trial, for either the stand-alone virus-checker, or the suite that includes a firewall. I've been planning on replacing Zone-Alarm, too, as it is getting outdated, and they, too want me to have IE with Active-X installed in order to get updates. No way, Jose!

595 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:41:59pm

I just can't get enough of that Jonathan Freedland article on al-Guardian. It is hysterical, belly-laughing, knee-slapping comedy gold! I realize Freedland didn't intend it to be, but .... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Let me get this straight ... we should vote for Obama because Russians love him? Um, Jonny, the Russians love Putin too.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

596 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:42:01pm

re: #559 So?

Michio Kaku claims there are 11 dimensions. He says other string theorists claim there are 13 and some go as high as 22. I don't think these guys will ever reach a consensus unless the boson has something bosonian to say.

You misunderstand. No one- has any argument about these things.

The first formulation of string theory was this thing called bosonic string theory. That had 22 dimensions. It was a toy model in that it did not include fermionic modes. Everyone knew it was a toy model. At that time, nobody knew how to include fermions along with the bosonic modes.

Then came heterotic string theory. The heterotic string includes both fermions and bosons and it lives in 11 dimensions. However, there are multiple ways to construct a heterotic string. We do not know which of those possible constructions is the one G-d actually used.

Now it turns out that each of these constructions is a mathematical limit of a larger mathematical framework. That larger framework is called M theory. M theory has 13 dimensions.

597 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:42:30pm

re: #578 Syrah

Since you are really not here, and nothing is real, how about buying us all a round of drinks. I mean seriously, if its all just play money and we are all just figments of your imagination, make us happy, buy your delusions a couple of drinks.

Has "I think, therefore I am" been debunked yet?

598 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:42:33pm

re: #593 Syrah

That was my evil twin. Probably sold you that condo too.

Try again. A margarita please, frozen with a salted rim.

LMAO

599 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:42:42pm

re: #563 WrathofG-d

How about this one from that same band.

Ummmm...that was the same song.

Please, I DON'T KNOW DIDDLY ABOUT MUSIC.

600 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:42:49pm

Anyone read how Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm will be coaching up Joe Biden before his debate with Sarah Palin. Amazing.

Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm will play the part of Sarah Palin in multiple sparring sessions preparing the sometimes-gaffe prone Senator for the upcoming showdown.

Granholm and Palin are both sitting Governors. They’re both in the same age bracket and both competed in beauty pageants. In fact, Granholm once appeared on “The Dating Game.” And they’ve both been described as “tough as nails.”

One slight difference. Granholm is Canadian. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but doesn't that leave them wide open to criticism that they couldn't find a Democratic American woman who could play the part of Sarah Palin in a play debate, they had to enlist a Canadian. 18 million of them but not one quite up to the job.

601 jcm  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:42:53pm

re: #589 Gearhead

Wait. If the LHC does create black holes, we all stand a good chance of getting sucked into France.


Shut it down NOW!

nah, the black hole will suck in France, say WTF is this shit, and stop thinking if the rest is like that why bother.

602 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:42:55pm

re: #587 KZnextzone

You want a huge number?

Population Brasil:

175 million Brazillian..

boggles the mind!

603 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:43:19pm
604 reno911  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:43:21pm

I did a black hole once.

605 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:43:21pm

re: #568 J.D.

Well, I rarely drink it any more. I'm onto red wine. You know, health food.
;-)

Indeed. The mighty grape.

606 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:43:26pm

re: #590 sparrowlake

Can a black hole suck and blow at the same time?

Is that a ZEN koan?

607 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:43:51pm

re: #588 Ay, Caramba

Yeah, headline: Obama found dead in wooded area, possible suicide.

I get it. "No blood found at scene. Secret Service looks for Vampire."

608 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:43:54pm

Obama could have reasoned with them

U.S. Strike Nets Top Al-Qaeda Terrorists

by Hillel Fendel

(IsraelNN.com) A day before the 7th anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, two Al-Qaeda leaders have been killed.

Pakistani intelligence sources say a U.S. missile strike in their country killed at least four terrorists, including two top Al-Qaeda officials. The two were said to be responsible for Al-Qaeda's anti-U.S. terror activities in northwest Pakistan. One of the dead terrorists, Abu Haris, oversaw the Al-Qaeda efforts in the tribal areas, Associated Press reported, while the second, known as Abu Hamza, led activities in Peshawar, northwest Pakistan's largest city.

609 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:44:01pm

I have Comcast/McAfee.
You guys are scaring me.
Fairly new computer.
Should I change?

610 WrathofG-d  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:44:08pm

re: #599 MandyManners

Ummmm...that was the same song.

Please, I DON'T KNOW DIDDLY ABOUT MUSIC.

ooops, sorry. Must have been a link issue.

611 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:44:15pm
612 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:44:30pm
613 Perplexed  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:44:34pm

re: #574 Gearhead

Does anyone around here have experience with Kaspersky? I have been looking at several security suites and have seen some good test results and reviews.

Both Kaspersky and NOD32 are pretty good. Easy on the eyes and easy on the system.

614 farmsted  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:44:45pm

re: #318 Alberta Oil Peon

Yeah, you are right, most of the money would not go to the people who need it. I don't know what got into me. I just had a weak moment there.

I just don't see this machine giving science the same payback as the Hubble. Seems like a ton of money for what? So, some handful of scientists can ask more questions about the origin of the universe and compete for Nobel Prizes (don't get me started on that either!). I just can't get excited about this.

615 WrathofG-d  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:44:45pm

re: #608 spidly

So if Bush gets OBL before he is out of office, do you think it would turn his image around?

616 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:45:24pm

re: #590 sparrowlake

Can a black hole suck and blow at the same time?

Probably for another 40.

617 Blazer in RIC  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:45:46pm

This baby wont' go full power until late Oct/early July,today was just a dry run. Supposedly at full power it will be creating one micro-blackhole per second and the occasional strangelet.

I hope Hawking was right about these things evaporating quickly and these aren't the same scientist's trying to push GW down everyones throats.

At any rate the frozen look of horror on all the enviro-wackos and tree-huggers faces on the event horizon would be priceless !

Your text to link...

Your text to link...

618 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:46:20pm

Charles, Jonathan Freedland's al-Guardian column really, really needs a thread all its own.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

619 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:46:27pm

re: #583 musicman

He would always have to keep looking over his shoulder.

He could had that with Hillery.

If any Republican politician had said what Biden said, he would have been run out on a rail as a Krazy Krappy Klucker.

Dems must get a free pass when the spout such racist drivel.

620 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:46:58pm

re: #596 LudwigVanQuixote

Then they should talk it over with God.

621 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:47:04pm
622 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:47:14pm

re: #609 VMA211Dan

I have Comcast/McAfee.
You guys are scaring me.
Fairly new computer.
Should I change?

SHOOT YOUR COMPUTER.

623 stevieray  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:47:27pm

re: #571 ploome hineni

McAfee and Norton are viruses

feh

My laptop came with Norton. As soon as the three months of coverage that came with the machine expired, I dumped it. There is a Symantech [Norton] uninstall tool out there on the net that will take away all traces of The Pox.

624 Killer Tomato  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:47:37pm

I don't know. It seems like an awful lot of money to spend just so we can possibly end the world. Really, exactly how is this helping Michelle's children?

625 reno911  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:47:44pm

re: #612 ploome hineni

What? I was talking about a drink. Abscinth and Coke.

626 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:47:54pm

re: #609 VMA211Dan

I have Comcast/McAfee.
You guys are scaring me.
Fairly new computer.
Should I change?

Just keep McAfee updated. I hate the interface (its spam tool is infuriating), but it's secure.

...And back everything up on a regular basis.

627 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:47:59pm

re: #615 WrathofG-d

So if Bush gets OBL before he is out of office, do you think it would turn his image around?

I think his image will do fine long term with or without OBL.

You don't think OBL is a bunch of charred bone fragments already?

628 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:48:02pm

re: #608 spidly

One of the dead terrorists, Abu Haris, oversaw the Al-Qaeda efforts in the tribal areas, Associated Press reported, while the second, known as Abu Hamza, led activities in Peshawar, northwest Pakistan's largest city.

Where have I heard that name before?

Different ugly dude, I'm sure...

629 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:48:15pm

re: #604 reno911

*whack*

Shame on you.

630 KZnextzone  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:49:01pm

re: #624 Killer Tomato

too easy

631 reno911  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:49:25pm

re: #625 reno911

Piglet was being naughty though.

632 WrathofG-d  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:49:56pm

re: #627 spidly

I'll believe it when I see it.

Ok must go do other things. adios americanos

633 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:50:05pm

re: #609 VMA211Dan

Don't sweat it. I've had McAfee for years, with few if any problems. I think most of the complaints are at the network admin level.

634 stevieray  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:50:24pm

re: #618 Tigger2005

Jonathan Freedland can bite my star-spangled ass.

635 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:50:28pm

Nighty night all! I gotta get into the office and write a paper (publish lest ye perish!) tomorrow!

636 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:50:30pm

re: #621 ploome hineni

will do, slaps self, apologizes to all.

637 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:50:44pm

re: #575 Mich-again

the number 1 with 100 zeroes after it is a googol.

Sounds like a meeting of the Congressional Democratic caucus.
/what's the definition of google? you could google it

638 jaunte  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:50:56pm

re: #618 Tigger2005

From Jonathan Freedland :
'If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it."

And then, Jonathan, what are you prepared to do about it?

639 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:51:25pm

It seems Stevie Wonder was way ahead of his time

Youtube Video

640 Naso Tang  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:51:40pm

re: #267 Killgore Trout

Could you take a stab at answering what practical/commercial advances we might see from the LHC?

Is that a necessary requirement for all human endeavors?

The same question can be asked of the Hubble telescope, or one in my back yard.

641 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:52:16pm

Thanks Gearhead and Cartman.
Breathing a bit easier now.

642 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:52:35pm

re: #606 So?

Is that a ZEN koan?

Nah, it's an ice cream koan.

643 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:52:38pm

re: #614 farmsted

Yeah, you are right, most of the money would not go to the people who need it. I don't know what got into me. I just had a weak moment there.

I just don't see this machine giving science the same payback as the Hubble. Seems like a ton of money for what? So, some handful of scientists can ask more questions about the origin of the universe and compete for Nobel Prizes (don't get me started on that either!). I just can't get excited about this.

That's the thing about doing basic research; you don't know where it will lead us. I'm guessing some possible outcomes might be: quantum computers, faster-than-light travel, practical method of generating fusion power? None of these, if any, will flow directly from the first experiments, but discoveries made with the Large Hadron Collider may spark other avenues of research which could lead us to immensely profitable discoveries.

644 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:52:48pm

re: #613 Perplexed

Both Kaspersky and NOD32 are pretty good. Easy on the eyes and easy on the system.

I had never even heard of NOD32 until reading a comparison test yesterday. It really performed well, but I think it was a little more pricey.

I need a new suite for the office, but have some older machines in service and wanted to avoid the performance drag that Norton produces.

645 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:53:10pm

re: #609 VMA211Dan

I have Comcast/McAfee.
You guys are scaring me.
Fairly new computer.
Should I change?

IMHO, yes.
The McAffee you got from Comcast, I assure you, is custom tailored to let pretty much anything Comcast issues through. That's not a bad thing until somebody figures out a way to hack Comcast (probably by impersonating).

I tend to agree with the other posters here ... anything but McAffee or Norton.

Some of them (especially the free for personal use variety) are pretty "stick shift" in that you need to manually update the virus definition tables, etc.

My second bit of advice is to stay the heck away from Outlook anything for an e-mail client.
I used to use Eudora, but I installed Thunderbird and like it a lot.

646 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:53:57pm

Did some lizard earlier ask whether Ron Paul plans to support McCain? I just saw him on c-span saying, no, he won't.

647 So?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:54:07pm

re: #642 sparrowlake

Nah, it's an ice cream koan.

haha--

648 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:54:15pm
649 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:54:30pm

re: #643 Alberta Oil Peon

Viagra was an unexpected side effect of completely unrelated research. So was a bunch of other drugs.

650 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:55:53pm

re: #644 Gearhead

Doesn't the new AVG have a gamer mode. Couldn't a user employ that mode if they were just in LGF or only going to trusted sites?

651 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:55:55pm

Watching "Fight or Die" on Mil. Channel. I met a man last week on business who was there. "We Were Soldiers Once, and Young".

Astonishing story. Heroes.

Obama? I don't think so.

652 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:56:23pm

re: #609 VMA211Dan

I have Comcast/McAfee.
You guys are scaring me.
Fairly new computer.
Should I change?

No, add Spybot, Adaware, and ZoneAlarm, all free.

/never had a problem in many years

653 hazzyday  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:56:39pm

So Joe Biden becomes President someday and his excuse for Russia claiming Canada as a Soviet state will be?

Sorry Hilary has more balls than I do. I should have never been elected. The guy is a weenie.

I'll be surprises if he lasts two more weeks. Obama should fire everyone involved in hiring him.

Hilary might take the job, but I would think her political future is brighter running against Palin in 2012. Versus being Obama VP for 8 years and doing nothing and finding the electorate wanting something new in 8 years. Maybe if Bill is SoS. But then again that Clintion machine might weaken him considerably. Obama just doesn't have enough experience yet to be President.

He would be better off putting Hilary in the first spot in the ticket.

654 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:57:09pm

re: #597 Price_of_Peace

Has "I think, therefore I am" been debunked yet?

No. Cogito ergo sum rex.

But if some one wants to tell me that he doubts his existence and the reality of all that is around him, I am going to try to get a free drink out of him before he comes to senses.

655 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:57:17pm

re: #542 MandyManners

I'm not an expert at this sort of thing but, the video doesn't move along sufficiently.

However, I like the music.

But, I don't know crap about this.

They don't have quite the edge or in their face message as Stuck Mojo, yet I thought it was interesting. They, Sabaton, seem to be mainstream heavy metal with little musical originality. Their strength is that they write lyrics about historical themes, almost always about a war or a battle. They seem to glory in Norse (they are Swedes, I think) warriors go to Valhalla type stuff. With that in mind, it seems that they are calling the Jihadis cowards in this song.

656 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:57:48pm

re: #651 The Shadow Do

Watching "Fight or Die" on Mil. Channel. I met a man last week on business who was there. "We Were Soldiers Once, and Young".

Astonishing story. Heroes.

Obama? I don't think so.

hey, Obama would have joined if he could have gone into the shit and got some trigger time

657 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:58:04pm

re: #610 WrathofG-d

ooops, sorry. Must have been a link issue.

I have a link that no longer works.

I have THIS.

Youtube Video

658 stevieray  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:58:12pm

Speaking of tech things...

Is anybody else disappointed/infuriated by Firefox 3? I think they took a step backwards with this version -- its not as stable as it should be, and it has a weird and annoying habit of suddenly going "not responsive" for 5 to 30 seconds at random times for no apparent reason.

And Mozilla's user forums suck.

659 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:58:27pm
660 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:58:41pm

re: #646 ContraJihadi

Did some lizard earlier ask whether Ron Paul plans to support McCain? I just saw him on c-span saying, no, he won't.

IIRC, Paul is claiming that McCain implied that if he (Paul) were to lend his endorsement, he would be doing the right thing in backing the "lesser of two evils", or something to that effect. Ron Paul is a consummate liar.

661 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:58:41pm

re: #656 spidly

hey, Obama would have joined if he could have gone into the shit and got some trigger time

That just makes me sick.

662 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:58:54pm

re: #603 ploome hineni

#564 Syrah

So Obama was bought, lock stock and barrel, by the son of the man who could succeed him.

Sounds risky.

663 reno911  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:58:57pm

re: #648 ploome hineni

Do I sound like Obama yet?

664 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 7:59:56pm

re: #646 ContraJihadi

Did some lizard earlier ask whether Ron Paul plans to support McCain? I just saw him on c-span saying, no, he won't.

I saw some other thread that indicated the McCain campaign asked for his support and he turned them down.

I commented that McCain probably mentally thought "whew" ... I'd have asked for his support as "a gesture of good will".

Ron Paul was on Glenn Beck today and recommended everybody in the country vote for anything that wasn't Democrat or Republican.

Ron Paul, as Beck pointed out, did warn us about Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac five years ago. His isolationist stance to me was way past over the top.

665 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:00:07pm
666 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:00:15pm

re: #658 stevieray

I like a couple of the interface enhancements, but the Mac version feels a bit sticky. The Windows version seems to respond better.

667 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:00:16pm

re: #658 stevieray

No probs here (so far) with FF3.

668 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:00:20pm

re: #652 Killian Bundy
will do,thx.

669 stevieray  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:00:20pm

re: #650 Piglet-U93

Doesn't the new AVG have a gamer mode. Couldn't a user employ that mode if they were just in LGF or only going to trusted sites?

I know Zone Alarm does. I've had to use it a couple of times when ZA went sideways on me.

670 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:00:30pm

re: #655 David IV of Georgia

They don't have quite the edge or in their face message as Stuck Mojo, yet I thought it was interesting. They, Sabaton, seem to be mainstream heavy metal with little musical originality. Their strength is that they write lyrics about historical themes, almost always about a war or a battle. They seem to glory in Norse (they are Swedes, I think) warriors go to Valhalla type stuff. With that in mind, it seems that they are calling the Jihadis cowards in this song.

Without a doubt!

671 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:00:31pm

re: #650 Piglet-U93

Doesn't the new AVG have a gamer mode. Couldn't a user employ that mode if they were just in LGF or only going to trusted sites?

Don't know. I'm not very knowledgable about AVG. I have seen the Free version, but haven't played around much.

672 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:00:55pm
673 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:01:23pm

re: #659 ploome hineni

Mandy

see this

*whack*

Woot.

674 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:01:24pm

re: #654 Syrah

No. Cogito ergo sum rex.

But if some one wants to tell me that he doubts his existence and the reality of all that is around him, I am going to try to get a free drink out of him before he comes to senses.

Yesterday someone posted the thinking bomb from Dark Star so I will not repeat.

675 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:01:44pm

re: #669 stevieray

I know Zone Alarm does. I've had to use it a couple of times when ZA went sideways on me.

What does the gamer mode do?

676 hazzyday  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:01:47pm

re: #624 Killer Tomato

I don't know. It seems like an awful lot of money to spend just so we can possibly end the world. Really, exactly how is this helping Michelle's children?

I am waiting for the Steve Jobs IPodPT (Ipod Personal Transporter)

677 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:01:53pm
678 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:02:40pm

re: #654 Syrah

No. Cogito ergo sum rex.

But if some one wants to tell me that he doubts his existence and the reality of all that is around him, I am going to try to get a free drink out of him before he comes to senses.

I was told once that there is a difference between "reality" and "actuality." The first is a function of our intelligence, background, programming, etc. The second is what actually takes place. Which is most important in our lives?

679 Crom  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:02:45pm

Apparently, the LHC has done its job.

The Keef black hole is appearing on messnbc right now. I have never actually seen him before. Now I feel the need to bathe.

WTF is wrong with NBC to have this human detritus spew his bullshit ?

I am repulsed. He is an enemy of this country. Where is Delta Force ?

680 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:03:32pm

re: #665 ploome hineni

what is VERY CREEPY is that this has not become a HUGE scandal

Give it time.

681 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:03:33pm

re: #664 jwb7605

I have to say that there is much about Paul's domestic ideas that arouse my sympathy, but he does not understand the role that the United States must play in today's world.

... I think the Sarah Palin segment is about to appear on c-span, but right now there is just a White House Press Conference.

682 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:03:45pm
683 hazzyday  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:04:12pm

re: #675 Gearhead

Gamer mode usually pushs the game to the front of the CPU queue and other stuff into the background. Maybe some video call improvement but I can't remember all. Mine disabled the active icons in the system tray, disabled printing, stopped the virus software from running, and had special firewall ports open.

684 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:04:37pm

re: #658 stevieray

Speaking of tech things...

Is anybody else disappointed/infuriated by Firefox 3? I think they took a step backwards with this version -- its not as stable as it should be, and it has a weird and annoying habit of suddenly going "not responsive" for 5 to 30 seconds at random times for no apparent reason.

And Mozilla's user forums suck.

I'm using it, and I've got no issues whatsoever except with Java support.
Some sort of weirdness, but I can't figure out if it's my system or FireFox.

They're sure taking their sweet time adding tools that work with FireFox 3, though.

Try adding FireBug --- maybe that might offer a clue.

685 esch  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:04:54pm

re: #649 rawmuse

Viagra was an unexpected side effect of completely unrelated research. So was a bunch of other drugs.

So they were hard up for results?

686 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:04:55pm

re: #674 lifeofthemind

Yesterday someone posted the thinking bomb from Dark Star so I will not repeat.

Just don't send me to clean up the Beach-Ball's pen.

687 stevieray  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:05:17pm

re: #675 Gearhead

What does the gamer mode do?

It turns off antivirus/antispyware auto updates, for one. This is so it doesn't slow down your pc by doing routine maintenance.

688 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:05:42pm

I must be an anomaly. I seem to have virtually all of the software products on my PC that people say really suck, and I just haven't encountered all the stuff that's supposed to doom my machine. ;)

/knock on wood

689 hazzyday  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:05:46pm

Bought my bottle of Georgian wine this week in support of Democracy way over there.

690 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:05:56pm
691 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:05:59pm

re: #683 hazzyday

Gamer mode usually pushs the game to the front of the CPU queue and other stuff into the background. Maybe some video call improvement but I can't remember all. Mine disabled the active icons in the system tray, disabled printing, stopped the virus software from running, and had special firewall ports open.

This is a feature?

692 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:06:48pm

re: #615 WrathofG-d

So if Bush gets OBL before he is out of office, do you think it would turn his image around?

I like to stick up for him against rabid haters if for no other reason just to be a contrarian. They're usually startled that anyone would object to a Bush rant. I like to ask them at what point they have diverged from what Bush decided to do. And then I point out all the other worse things that might have happened in that scenario. There are lots of worse possible endings to these last 8 years than what did happen. And lots of better ones too. But you can't just compare Bush policy to a Utopian vision.

693 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:07:11pm

re: #675 Gearhead

What does the gamer mode do?

Gamer mode does NOT have proactive realtime scanning while you are surfing. Because while you are playing a game you are NOT surfing the web so the time consuming scanning of selected packet data and realtime monitoring is disabled.

694 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:07:31pm

re: #690 ploome hineni

Mandy

*whack*

Oh, my.

695 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:08:09pm

Grr, there seems to be some foul up with the Sarah Palin segment on c-span. There is some indication that it won't be shown until tomorrow morning.

696 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:08:12pm
697 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:08:25pm

re: #678 Price_of_Peace

I was told once that there is a difference between "reality" and "actuality." The first is a function of our intelligence, background, programming, etc. The second is what actually takes place. Which is most important in our lives?

The one buying the drinks is the important one.

Be very nice to that one.

698 hazzyday  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:08:26pm

re: #664 jwb7605

I have a friend who is darkly negative about real estate. Doom and Gloom every year for 20 years. Finally he is right this year. But he sold everything long ago.

699 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:09:47pm

re: #688 Cartman

I must be an anomaly. I seem to have virtually all of the software products on my PC that people say really suck, and I just haven't encountered all the stuff that's supposed to doom my machine. ;)

/knock on wood

That's because it respects your authori-tah.

I have a co-worker whose computer stops acting up whenever I walk in his office. He doesn't even tell me what problem he's having anymore.

700 KathyP  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:09:56pm

OK, I'm late to the party here and it's OT, but I just heard (I think) Obama call him T. Boone Picket on the O'Reilly interview tonight. Said he had talked to T. Boone Picket Anyone hear that?

701 spidly  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:09:59pm

re: #679 Crom

Apparently, the LHC has done its job.

The Keef black hole is appearing on messnbc right now. I have never actually seen him before. Now I feel the need to bathe.

WTF is wrong with NBC to have this human detritus spew his bullshit ?

I am repulsed. He is an enemy of this country. Where is Delta Force ?

Keef?

702 hazzyday  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:10:02pm

re: #678 Price_of_Peace

I was told once that there is a difference between "reality" and "actuality." The first is a function of our intelligence, background, programming, etc. The second is what actually takes place. Which is most important in our lives?

Did you hear that in California? I heard that same thing when I was in town there. It makes some sense to me. But that is just me.

703 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:10:19pm

re: #696 ploome hineni

let's dance

Remember this one?

704 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:10:38pm

FYI - Gov Palin's plane is set to land soon in Fairbanks. She'll make some remarks in the arrival hall, too.

(watching CNN but I think Fox is going to break into their tape and cover it live)

705 right_on_target  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:10:45pm

re: #658 stevieray

Speaking of tech things...

Is anybody else disappointed/infuriated by Firefox 3? I think they took a step backwards with this version -- its not as stable as it should be, and it has a weird and annoying habit of suddenly going "not responsive" for 5 to 30 seconds at random times for no apparent reason.


-------------------------------------------------- ---------------
I agree.
Too many add-ons that don't work anymore. [I miss cache status the most]
Memory hog causing freezes and once in a while weird things when multiple tabs are opened.
Cookies get messed up, especially with multiple tabs.
RealPlayer® downloader was GREAT for saving those LONG videos on the fly.

706 hazzyday  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:11:52pm

re: #691 Gearhead

This is a feature?

I had to configure it. Differents systems there I think wasn't reading close enough.

707 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:11:58pm

re: #678 Price_of_Peace

I was told once that there is a difference between "reality" and "actuality." The first is a function of our intelligence, background, programming, etc. The second is what actually takes place. Which is most important in our lives?

If your reality can predict and foresee actuality then your reality is real and not a delusion.

708 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:12:03pm

re: #699 Gearhead

He knows that end-user error/stupidity can be really embarrassing. ;)

709 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:12:53pm

re: #702 hazzyday

Did you hear that in California? I heard that same thing when I was in town there. It makes some sense to me. But that is just me.

It was from a Group out of Southern California. About 30 years ago, now.

710 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:13:02pm

re: #668 VMA211Dan

will do,thx.

/keep them all updated, run regular scans, be sure to use the Spybot immunization feature, and be elsewhere when they fire up th LHC for real

711 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:13:37pm

re: #693 Piglet-U93

re: #687 stevieray

re: #683 hazzyday

Now when I get asked about it by people who think I know what I'm doing, I'll have the answer.

712 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:14:27pm

re: #686 Syrah

Just don't send me to clean up the Beach-Ball's pen.

I'm a soft touch for cheap effects. The old Twilight Zone with Alien costumes any kid could make themselves or the early Dr Who looked like it was filmed either in a parking lot or in a corridor during the lunch hour, with a villian that looked like a pail and a mop.

Prefer black and white movies to color and old fashioned radio had magic, the theater of the mind.

713 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:14:32pm

re: #707 Piglet-U93

If your reality can predict and foresee actuality then your reality is real and not a delusion.

You have a good point. That was one of the directions they were going. The other was being able to misdirect other people's reality.

714 J.S.  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:15:24pm

re: #603 ploome hineni

CNN had on some person (it was during some interview, I've forgotten the name), and the person said that Hunter Biden is currently being sued and is under indictment (it relates to that Rezko trial -- also has to do with corruption). but no other commentary with respect to the MSM...although can find blog articles such as this here...(some of the more extreme ideas floating about is that Biden will be under the bus, and Hillary steps in...)

715 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:17:02pm

re: #713 Price_of_Peace

The other was being able to misdirect other people's reality.

Hell, the left does that on a daily basis.

716 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:17:07pm

Hey good evening all y'all! What have I missed so far tonight?!

717 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:17:18pm

re: #698 hazzyday

I have a friend who is darkly negative about real estate. Doom and Gloom every year for 20 years. Finally he is right this year. But he sold everything long ago.

I had the same feeling about Real Estate over the last 4-5 years that I had about the Telcom industry beginning about 1997.

Couldn't put my finger on what was wrong with Real Estate, but it didn't feel right.
Telcom problems were obvious to me, but I have a telcom background and some laser product experience.

718 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:17:52pm

re: #708 Cartman

He knows that end-user error/stupidity can be really embarrassing. ;)

Best tech support question ever: "Hey, it's showing me some kind of instructions on the screen. What should I do?"

(uh, read them?)

Same user once ran over his own laptop (twice) after mistaking it for an armadillo.

719 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:18:34pm

re: #718 Gearhead

lol

720 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:18:39pm

Everyone remember when 0bama said that the republicans were going to try to scare everyone concerning him- "They're going to try to make you afraid. They're going to try to make you afraid of me."

Interesting they've employed the same tactic, but against Sarah Palin.

721 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:19:12pm

re: #688 Cartman

I must be an anomaly. I seem to have virtually all of the software products on my PC that people say really suck, and I just haven't encountered all the stuff that's supposed to doom my machine. ;)

/knock on wood


I've had Comcast/McAfee for awhile too, but I had to replace my computer. I thought I might have gotten a virus or whatever. It was a Gateway notebook but I was traveling a lot at the time and maybe it just died out on me. Would not even boot up anymore. Got a new desktop and no problems yet but don't want same problems so soon.

722 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:20:10pm

re: #717 jwb7605
I've been heavily involved, as a lawyer and Ajunct Associate Professor of Real Estate Law for 35 years now.
This is about as bad a recession/depression as I've ever seen - and I've survived the mid to late '70's, the 86-88 recession and theearly 90's depression and all I can say is we have met the enemy and it is us!

723 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:20:13pm

re: #716 realwest

Hiya, R-Dubs! Well, you've missed a veritable plethora of potpourri. ;)

724 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:21:36pm

re: #723 Cartman
Hey my friend! I've missed a "a veritable plethora of potpourri" ?!? Well that has a pleasant ring to it, tell me more!

725 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:21:56pm

re: #712 lifeofthemind

I'm a soft touch for cheap effects. The old Twilight Zone with Alien costumes any kid could make themselves or the early Dr Who looked like it was filmed either in a parking lot or in a corridor during the lunch hour, with a villian that looked like a pail and a mop.

Prefer black and white movies to color and old fashioned radio had magic, the theater of the mind.

Special effects can be neat, but the quality of the story is essential. All the flash and zing in the world can't make a shitty story great. Dr. Who and Twilight Zone are proof of that.

Rubber-suit monsters and deranged garbage cans with plungers for hands can be good enough if the story is good.

726 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:22:06pm

re: #718 Gearhead

Best tech support question ever: "Hey, it's showing me some kind of instructions on the screen. What should I do?"

(uh, read them?)

Same user once ran over his own laptop (twice) after mistaking it for an armadillo.

I was "the software guy" and was the "backup network admin" for my company.
We used to get this one a lot:
(user) "I got an error message on my screen!"
(us) "What did it say?"
(user) "I don't know, but it was an error message!"
(us) "What were you doing?"
(user) "Nothing! It's not my fault! All I got was an error message!"

... those were difficult.

727 psyop  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:22:28pm

Are they waiting until after the election to destroy the world?

I really want to see moonbats explode after McCain/Palin are declared the winners.

Then I can be sucked in to the black hole.

728 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:22:47pm

re: #720 Sharmuta

Everyone remember when 0bama said that the republicans were going to try to scare everyone concerning him- "They're going to try to make you afraid. They're going to try to make you afraid of me."

Interesting they've employed the same tactic, but against Sarah Palin.

And it bit them back in the ass so fast that it shocked them.

729 J.S.  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:22:50pm

re: #720 Sharmuta

Well, actually, I figure ol' Barry is doing a pretty good job of frightening all of us by his own self-references -- especially when Barry starts yakking about a "bomb throwing" Barry...

730 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:23:02pm
731 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:23:22pm

re: #722 realwest

I've been heavily involved, as a lawyer and Ajunct Associate Professor of Real Estate Law for 35 years now.
This is about as bad a recession/depression as I've ever seen - and I've survived the mid to late '70's, the 86-88 recession and theearly 90's depression and all I can say is we have met the enemy and it is us!

One more "bailout" and the Chinese will just buy us outright.
No sarcasm.

732 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:23:27pm

You know, if these theoretical sub-atomic particles wanted to be rousted from their natural state they'd have revealed themselves already.

/the more energy you apply, the bigger the headache they'll have, and the more pissed they'll be

733 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:24:00pm

re: #678 Price_of_Peace

I was told once that there is a difference between "reality" and "actuality." The first is a function of our intelligence, background, programming, etc. The second is what actually takes place. Which is most important in our lives?

Check carefully. If you are in California and someone is trying to explain to you the difference between reality and actuality immediately verify if any of the following three conditions are true:
1. They are wearing exactly the same color from top to toe.
2. They are wearing a shirt with more than four colors in it.
3. They are discussing an investment opportunity.

If you answerd yes to any of these remain very calm and do as follows.
Open the window. Slip outside. Run like a rabbit.

734 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:24:02pm

re: #724 realwest

Among other things, black holes are being discussed. I have been desperately trying to determine whether or not I will be allowed to enter the black hole with my Harley and my guns.

735 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:24:29pm
736 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:24:59pm

Palin's plane has landed, and is about to stop at the step thingy.

737 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:25:56pm

re: #716 realwest

Hey good evening all y'all! What have I missed so far tonight?!

Hey realwest. The Dems and the MSM have been sucked into a Rep black hole.
Breaking News: I'm watching CNN right now and can't believe it - they've been waiting to get a look at Palin at Anchorage airport for about half an hour. Here comes the plane! She is expected to get off the plane! What a story!

738 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:26:03pm

re: #716 realwest

Hey good evening all y'all! What have I missed so far tonight?!


They fired up the Big Underground Donut of Death in Geneva and the Universe ended. Good news is we got to keep the fish.

739 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:26:06pm

Palin on c-span 2 now.

740 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:26:13pm

re: #727 psyop
Methinks you'll only be sucked into a black hole if the Dem Left Party wins. They have absolutely NO real plans for the economy; they are unable to come to grips with fighting a war against an ideology - a violent ideology - without national boundaries and have no vision for the nation, other than "not what we've had for the last 8 years". If McCain/Palin don't win (and drag along at least a few Senate seats and another 12-20 house seats, we are all gonna suffer for it.

741 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:26:20pm

re: #736 Intrepid

Palin's plane has landed, and is about to stop at the step thingy.


On CSPAN2 right now.

742 Attaboid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:26:26pm

Singular!

Missed it by that much.

743 J.S.  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:26:44pm

re: #732 Killian Bundy

Black holes are nothing more than enormous elementary particles...yeah, that's it...

744 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:26:48pm

re: #729 J.S.

Well, actually, I figure ol' Barry is doing a pretty good job of frightening all of us by his own self-references -- especially when Barry starts yakking about a "bomb throwing" Barry...

We should continue to give him rope. I love the "phony outrage" line of defense, too. I hope he also continues to delude himself with that thinking.

745 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:29:29pm

re: #737 sparrowlake

Hey realwest. The Dems and the MSM have been sucked into a Rep black hole.
Breaking News: I'm watching CNN right now and can't believe it - they've been waiting to get a look at Palin at Anchorage airport for about half an hour. Here comes the plane! She is expected to get off the plane! What a story!

Has she stepped off the plane yet? Has she shot and killed anything yet?

746 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:30:01pm

They are playing "Danger Zone" right now ala Top Gun ala Maverick.
Crowd is pumped. Here she comes....

747 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:30:32pm

Anyone know where I can buy some of these black holes cheap or an old well I can cut up and throw in the ground? I've some fence posts to plant soon.

748 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:30:35pm

re: #731 jwb7605
Well actually, the problems in real estate have very little bearing on the Chinese. And frankly, since MOST of the major Chinese investments (in our T-bills and other paper type bonds and all) were made before the war on the dollar was started (by OPEC, and a few others) the Chinese are the ones who are likely to get screwed. They bought when the dollar was, arguably a dollar and if they were to cash in now, they'd be getting significantly less than a dollar back for each dollar invested.
In fact, I think a good case could be made that the Chinese are rooting for our economy almost as hard as we are.
No sarcasm.

749 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:30:43pm

re: #745 The Shadow Do

Has she stepped off the plane yet? Has she shot and killed anything yet?

Heh heh, not yet, but she ... now! with Todd. One of the girls waved first, a few seconds ago.

750 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:31:33pm

re: #733 lifeofthemind

Check carefully. If you are in California and someone is trying to explain to you the difference between reality and actuality immediately verify if any of the following three conditions are true:
1. They are wearing exactly the same color from top to toe.
2. They are wearing a shirt with more than four colors in it.
3. They are discussing an investment opportunity.

If you answerd yes to any of these remain very calm and do as follows.
Open the window. Slip outside. Run like a rabbit.

This reality/actuality ploy is a tactic to manipulate a person's mind after the applied scheme places them into a state of confusion. The state of confusion is uncomfortable to most and the person is more willing accept "guided" direction in an effort to escape the discomfort.

751 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:31:55pm

re: #739 ContraJihadi

Palin on c-span 2 now.

bbl

752 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:32:05pm

Many signs read "Welcome Home."

753 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:32:13pm

re: #726 jwb7605

I was "the software guy" and was the "backup network admin" for my company.
We used to get this one a lot:
(user) "I got an error message on my screen!"
(us) "What did it say?"
(user) "I don't know, but it was an error message!"
(us) "What were you doing?"
(user) "Nothing! It's not my fault! All I got was an error message!"

... those were difficult.

ROFL.

That's when you loudly say "That pr0n dialer is not on an approved application."

754 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:32:24pm

re: #749 ContraJihadi

Heh heh, not yet, but she ... now! with Todd. One of the girls waved first, a few seconds ago.

She waved? What a tramp!

755 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:32:24pm

re: #734 Cartman
Allowed to?! Hell your Harley and your guns will HAVE to go with you, but not necessarily with you, if you know what I mean!

756 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:33:11pm

David Gergen is such a tool. He's so befuddled by the attention paid to Sarah Palin, and his remarks make him sound like a prissy baby.

Here she is! Crowd goes wild....

757 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:34:00pm

Approaching a podium with the family. I think it is Willow who is holding Trig. Piper is just being her happy self.

758 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:34:05pm

re: #755 realwest

I also want to take the Les Paul, but I don't want to appear greedy.

759 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:34:38pm

You can tell she's a bit tired and glad to be home.

760 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:34:59pm

Sarah is showing gratitude and, I suspect, relief at being home.

761 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:35:27pm

Alaska? Do they even have crackheads in Alaska? You people are buggin'.

/Diddy

762 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:35:29pm

Into the standard campaign stuff now.

763 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:35:30pm

Holy crap. This woman has charisma. Can't create that. It just is.

764 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:35:34pm

re: #725 Syrah

Special effects can be neat, but the quality of the story is essential. All the flash and zing in the world can't make a shitty story great. Dr. Who and Twilight Zone are proof of that.

Rubber-suit monsters and deranged garbage cans with plungers for hands can be good enough if the story is good.

Yes but there is more. A good story is one that the audience does not simply observe and technically evaluate, it is a story the audience cares about and enters into. Small children often surprise their parents by putting the expensive toy aside to play with the box. There is a whole magic world in that box. It is the difference between art and pornography. CGI and explosives can stimulate glands and rivet the eye but who wants to share it or talk about it after? A story is something that people can fill in the corners of. You know in your bones what it was like in 221 Baker Street, who cares if it was only seen by you on a grainy Black and White image late at night. When you closed your eyes you were standing there.

765 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:35:58pm

Ok, what's a "Striker Brigade"?

766 Killer Tomato  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:36:10pm

re: #755 realwest

Allowed to?! Hell your Harley and your guns will HAVE to go with you, but not necessarily with you, if you know what I mean!

Boy, wait'll I tell my mother than you CAN take it with you!

767 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:36:13pm

USA! USA!

768 stevieray  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:36:28pm

Wow.

This is why I don't like the new Firefox.

I posted a comment at 8:05 PDT, followed the link from "jwb7605" in comment #684, and *THUD*... complete freeze. Now its 8:35 PDT... half an hour gone... that's how long it takes to reboot my pc and get Firefox back up with all of the tabs reopened again.

769 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:36:38pm

re: #754 The Shadow Do
Heh.

She waved? What a tramp!


It's worse than that - she apparently waived to everyone! What a slut!
/

770 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:36:46pm

Travis deploys tomorrow ... USA, USA, USA, shouts the crowd.

First Dude is introduced.

771 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:37:47pm

re: #758 Cartman
You won't be greedy - the Les Paul will go too - I'll carry it for ya!

772 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:38:04pm

Drill, Baby, drill!

773 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:38:11pm

Segue into Drill, baby, Drill. ... Onto reform.

774 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:38:37pm

is there online video?

775 metal man  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:38:57pm

re: #765 Intrepid

Stryker

776 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:39:09pm

One of the few politicians who can say that "sometimes government is part of the problem."

777 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:39:15pm

re: #764 lifeofthemind

One reason why Star Wars Episodes 1 - 3 were so bad. All the nice CGI could not save the poorly written story lines. Hell, me and my role playing friends have come up with better stories then that.

/good morning all, checking in to the night shift on the dead thread.

778 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:39:47pm

"Drill baby DRILL !"

God, I love this woman !

779 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:40:14pm

re: #771 realwest

It's a deal! You can ride shotgun with the Benelli. ;)

780 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:40:23pm

re: #765 Intrepid It's a brigade of troops (roughly 3,000 of 'em) who are moved around by Stryker armored and heavily armed (for infantry warfare) and lots of Armored Personnel Carriers and trucks for supplies/fuel.
In infantry warfare, a Stryker Brigade is lethal as all hell.

781 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:41:47pm

re: #765 Intrepid

Ok, what's a "Striker Brigade"?

Stryker, Mechanized Infantry, new integrated vehicle systems.

782 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:41:49pm

Thanks Metal Man and RealWest for the military info.

783 Dekar  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:41:51pm

Protons smash into each other all the time. Why are so many people scared of the LHC?!

784 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:41:53pm

re: #778 leftover54

"Drill baby DRILL !"

God, I love this woman !

Please. She's scaring Jonathan Freedland.

Probably giving him nightmares.

785 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:41:54pm

This is the first time that I know of that she has strayed from the RNC speech. She sounds good.

786 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:42:10pm

re: #774 Tigger2005

is there online video?

Here if you have Windows Media or RealPlayer Media

787 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:42:17pm

re: #782 Intrepid

LOTM - thanks to you too!

788 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:43:09pm

A good talk about how defeat in Iraq would be disastrous, both for Iraqis and Americans, and how McCain kept faith with the troops.

I LOVE a woman who understands the grammar of the adverb "encouragingly!"

789 Opilio  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:44:08pm

re: #786 Piglet-U93

Here if you have Windows Media or RealPlayer Media

The audio and video are about 1 second out of sync, at least on my machine.

790 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:44:34pm

Sarah Palin probably doesn't need coffee in the morning.

Goodness gracious, she's got IT. And in spades.

791 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:45:12pm

Thinking of good old TR. Palin! Vigor!

Bull Moose Party?

792 Syrah  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:45:14pm

re: #764 lifeofthemind

Yes but there is more. A good story is one that the audience does not simply observe and technically evaluate, it is a story the audience cares about and enters into. Small children often surprise their parents by putting the expensive toy aside to play with the box. There is a whole magic world in that box. It is the difference between art and pornography. CGI and explosives can stimulate glands and rivet the eye but who wants to share it or talk about it after? A story is something that people can fill in the corners of. You know in your bones what it was like in 221 Baker Street, who cares if it was only seen by you on a grainy Black and White image late at night. When you closed your eyes you were standing there.

You are right. I would add to what you have written, but I think you have covered it perfectly.

793 politicalinsomniac  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:45:29pm

She could be prez right now.

794 Opilio  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:45:37pm

Tell me she didn't just say "Nu-cu-lar"

795 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:45:42pm

Moving upthread!

796 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:45:45pm

re: #777 BlueCanuck

One reason why Star Wars Episodes 1 - 3 were so bad. All the nice CGI could not save the poorly written story lines. Hell, me and my role playing friends have come up with better stories then that.

/good morning all, checking in to the night shift on the dead thread.


Trace it back and you'll see this started with praise of Dark Star. No expense was spared in making that gem. That was a segue from the collider/bacl hole discussion and questioning reality and perception.
/good web

797 Cartman  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:45:47pm

G'nite, y'all. Don't take any wooden nickles black holes.

798 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:45:57pm

re: #748 realwest

Well actually, the problems in real estate have very little bearing on the Chinese. And frankly, since MOST of the major Chinese investments (in our T-bills and other paper type bonds and all) were made before the war on the dollar was started (by OPEC, and a few others) the Chinese are the ones who are likely to get screwed. They bought when the dollar was, arguably a dollar and if they were to cash in now, they'd be getting significantly less than a dollar back for each dollar invested.
In fact, I think a good case could be made that the Chinese are rooting for our economy almost as hard as we are.
No sarcasm.

My point kinda is that their economy is tied so strongly to ours that they'd have to buy us ... treat us as their own "Fannie Mae" in a sense.

It's no joke that you're hard pressed to find any product that doesn't say "Made in China".
We tank, they tank.

799 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:46:01pm

Does anybody think there could be a backlash to opening up Anwhar etc ? If I was sitting on the ME oil (or OPECs) I think I would go for the most profit I could squeeze out of every barrel now at the news of major drilling in the US.Am I naive to think they don't already ? I know nothing about the subject but my point makes common sense to me.

YES ! SHE MUST HAVE GOT THE GREEN LIGHT FROM
McCAIN !

800 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:46:21pm

Some of her topics are standard talking points, but she delivers them with a very fine rhythm, all her own.

801 politicalinsomniac  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:47:40pm

I don't know what Matt Damon is worried about.

Palin would annihilate Vladimir Putin.

802 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:47:58pm

She must be hinting at drilling in Anwar right ?

803 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:48:22pm

If Sarah can speak as well in debates as she does here, Obama can figure on staying in the Senate.

804 politicalinsomniac  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:49:36pm

re: #802 leftover54

She must be hinting at drilling in Anwar right ?

Drill, baby, drill!

805 Gearhead  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:49:58pm

The Orifice still accuses them of not talking about "issues". That's all Palin talked about just now.

She is totally in her element.

806 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:51:47pm

David Gergen compares her to Harry Truman in how she fires up the Republicans, just as Harry fired up the Democrats.

The CNN crew - Anderson Cooper, Candy Crawley, John King and Gergen - sound almost like fan boys/girl.

807 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:52:39pm

re: #768 stevieray

Wow.

This is why I don't like the new Firefox.

I posted a comment at 8:05 PDT, followed the link from "jwb7605" in comment #684, and *THUD*... complete freeze. Now its 8:35 PDT... half an hour gone... that's how long it takes to reboot my pc and get Firefox back up with all of the tabs reopened again.

I use the new Firefox, but I never leave more that 4 tabs open at a time. I haven't had the problems you seem to be having (yet?!)

808 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:53:08pm

re: #792 Syrah

You are right. I would add to what you have written, but I think you have covered it perfectly.

Thank you. Have you read Tolkein's theory of "Sub-creation?" He believed that if an artist drew a leaf so true that you believed in it then you would see the whole tree and the world that tree was in. He wrote a story to illustrate his theory.

809 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:54:22pm

Hey, well I went upthread where Charles has 4 or 5 videos dealing with evolution of predators, but for some reason only one of the videos is playing.

810 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:54:54pm

I am totally on board with this woman. She is the future of the Republican Party. I don't remember anyone who has overwhelmed the status quo so suddenly and completely. Reagan was wonderful, but even he did not have this trans formative power.

811 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:55:24pm

re: #778 leftover54

"Drill baby DRILL !"

God, I love this woman !

Please. She's scaring Jonathan Freedland.

Probably giving him nightmares.

812 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:55:56pm

re: #806 Intrepid

David Gergen compares her to Harry Truman in how she fires up the Republicans, just as Harry fired up the Democrats.

That's an interesting comparison, quite sage, actually.

The Dewey-beats-Truman headline (except this time the Republican wins), with a big, Alaska-wide smile on Sarah's face as she holds up the -- New York Times!

813 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:56:01pm

And they mentioned that she just got in another campaign speech, just in coming home. It got play on both CNN and Fox, and they get the most ratings.

Smart move - she's going to do the Gibson interview tomorrow and Friday, so the attention will be focussed on her (NOT Obama) the next several days, except for the 9/11 appearance by Obama and McCain in NY tomorrow.

814 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:57:16pm

re: #799 leftover54

Does anybody think there could be a backlash to opening up Anwhar etc ? If I was sitting on the ME oil (or OPECs) I think I would go for the most profit I could squeeze out of every barrel now at the news of major drilling in the US.Am I naive to think they don't already ? I know nothing about the subject but my point makes common sense to me.

YES ! SHE MUST HAVE GOT THE GREEN LIGHT FROM
McCAIN !

please Explain what you were shouting about the "green light".
You lost me.

I think 3 weeks from now, there will not be much backlash left.

I was "arguing" on another thread about the Bakken vs. ANWR deposits.
Bakken is about 30 miles or so south of Theodore Roosevelt National Park.
Politics.

You're looking at a champion of ANWR, wildly popular, region already "approved" for exploration.

game over.
I still agree that Bakken would be cheaper, but: POLITICS prevail here.

815 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:59:07pm

re: #813 Intrepid

And they mentioned that she just got in another campaign speech, just in coming home. It got play on both CNN and Fox, and they get the most ratings.

Smart move - she's going to do the Gibson interview tomorrow and Friday, so the attention will be focussed on her (NOT Obama) the next several days, except for the 9/11 appearance by Obama and McCain in NY tomorrow.


Is the interview on regular ABC newscast or what? I have to see it.

816 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:59:10pm

re: #812 ContraJihadi

That's an interesting comparison, quite sage, actually.

The Dewey-beats-Truman headline (except this time the Republican wins), with a big, Alaska-wide smile on Sarah's face as she holds up the -- New York Times!

if (as I suspect) the McCain spies cruise this site, please credit yourself with the next really cool campaign sign.
Always was one of my favorites (having been born in '48).

817 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:59:42pm

Is anyone seeing a lot of McCain/Palin ads on TV? We're seeing very few here, if any. I don't watch much ABC/CBS/NBC lately, so I'm just wondering where the ads are playing.

And I'm wondering when the 527's will start up?

818 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:59:49pm

re: #799 leftover54 Actually, I think the reverse is true. IF we got effin' serious about drilling offshore and in Anbar, I think the price of oil would drop dramatically so as to make it economically less feasable for the U.S. to develop it's own energy resources. I can't remember the number right now, but oil shale production, for example, is only economic when the price of oil is somewhere over $75 a barrel.
Plus, of course, if the U.S. ever got really serious about building and rapidly bringing on line nuclear reactors, solar and wind power, I think that too would have a beneficial effect on lowering oil prices and for the same reasons: why go to the expense and frequently futile attempts to find oil, or develop Solar and Wind, when oil is far more reasonably priced.
China needs more oil than we do, but OPEC still needs an energy hungry U.S. to make it.

819 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:59:50pm

re: #812 ContraJihadi

That's an interesting comparison, quite sage, actually.

The Dewey-beats-Truman headline (except this time the Republican wins), with a big, Alaska-wide smile on Sarah's face as she holds up the -- New York Times!

Except it ain't gonna be too close to call right by the time they go to press.

820 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:00:27pm

Why do I get a tear in my eye every single time I hear this woman speak ? It has nothing to do with RNC/DNC politics.
I don't even think of her as being politically affiliated - she just 'Is".
She is awesome. On the other hand both Clintons, O'bama
and Biden all make me reach for the remote or walk out of the room. And it has nothing to do with politics - purely visceral I guess. If she was a Democrat, I would be voting Democrat. The press has their next beloved "Camelot" and because of their political bias they are throwing it down the drain. Of course I don't mean to imply any of the negative/tragic stories of the Kennedy's Camelot. Yes I'm a sucker for fairy tale, your dreams can come true and happy ending tales which seldom has any relation to reality.
But it's a good damn feeling ain't it !

821 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:01:06pm

re: #815 VMA211Dan

Is the interview on regular ABC newscast or what? I have to see it.

Don't know yet. It will be a few segments, so I'm betting it will be on his newscast, over a couple of days. Maybe like O'Reilly did with Obama?

I don't know if it will air tomorrow night or Friday night.

822 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:01:16pm

Dennis Miller doing a great job on "The Factor".

823 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:01:45pm

re: #817 Intrepid
I've seen very few McCain/Palin ads and NO 527 ads at all.
I think, given that he did the honorable thing and kept HIS promise to take public funding, McCain is holding onto the dough as long as he can and right now, Obama is sorta making commercials for McCain almost every time he speaks!

824 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:02:04pm

re: #817 Intrepid

Is anyone seeing a lot of McCain/Palin ads on TV? We're seeing very few here, if any. I don't watch much ABC/CBS/NBC lately, so I'm just wondering where the ads are playing.

And I'm wondering when the 527's will start up?


All over the place in Florida. 527's and campaign stuff. I guess it helps to be in a so-called battleground state. Sorry for you.

825 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:02:50pm

re: #817 Intrepid

Is anyone seeing a lot of McCain/Palin ads on TV? We're seeing very few here, if any. I don't watch much ABC/CBS/NBC lately, so I'm just wondering where the ads are playing.

And I'm wondering when the 527's will start up?

What 527's are out there?
SBVFT itself is "closed", and they don't have a dog in the hunt. I'd not participate if they resumed.

826 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:05:24pm

re: #825 jwb7605

Uh,

SBVFT itself is "closed", and they don't have a dog in the hunt. I'd not participate if they resumed.


Do you mind if I ask why you wouldn't participate (how you would I don't know) if the SBVFT did participate?

827 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:06:00pm

Larry King on now. I read earlier that Chuck Norris slams Ariana on the show.

828 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:06:40pm

re: #816 jwb7605

if (as I suspect) the McCain spies cruise this site, please credit yourself with the next really cool campaign sign.
Always was one of my favorites (having been born in '48).

I am certainly hoping that some McCain people are watching LGF. In fact, some of my comments have been premised on the assumption that at least one is.

I too was born before 1948, but not long before. Truman was President when I was born, although the first campaign I remember was Ike vs. Stevenson in 1952.

829 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:06:54pm

re: #823 realwest

Both our states (I'm in TN, you're in NC, right?) are solid red, so I guess there's not such a need to court us anymore.

830 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:07:15pm

re: #818 realwest


Thanks realwest. BTW - am I saying "Anwar" when it should be "Anbar" ? BOTH sound correct to me now (?). LOL !
Yeah, market forces are still a mystery to me (as far as making predictions). I guess having a monopoly can still be a slippery slope.

831 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:07:39pm

re: #820 leftover54

If she was a Democrat, I would be voting Democrat.

No you wouldn't. If she was a Democrat she wouldn't be the same person. Unless she was a pre-1968 Democrat, maybe.

832 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:08:28pm

re: #819 Tigger2005

Except it ain't gonna be too close to call right by the time they go to press.

Alas, you may be right.

833 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:08:41pm

re: #824 VMA211Dan

All over the place in Florida. 527's and campaign stuff. I guess it helps to be in a so-called battleground state. Sorry for you.

What are the 527 ads saying? I'm interested in knowing what all they're going to go after. Obama offers such rich fodder.

834 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:09:04pm

OMG!
Doofus Larry King still asking if McCain made right choice picking Palin for VP. Wake up before noon Larry.

835 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:09:24pm

O'Reilly advocating going after kos and his minions like the villagers in the old "Frankenstein" movie ! Pitchforks !
(can lizards handle pitchforks w/o opposable thumbs ?
hhhmmmm)

836 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:09:37pm

re: #832 ContraJihadi

Alas, you may be right.

Why alas? I don't think it's going to be a landslide, but I think McCain/Palin will win it solidly and will be declared the winners before the polls close on the West coast.

837 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:10:52pm

man, just relaized this is probably the re run of "The Factor" and not breaking "news". Sorry.

838 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:11:15pm

re: #830 leftover54
Well hell, now I don't know! LOL!
Anbar was a big town/province in Iraq. But a Wiki search on Anwar doesn't turn up anything!

839 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:11:46pm

re: #832 ContraJihadi

Alas, you may be right.

My apologies, I thought you were saying that it would be too close to call on election night.

I certainly hope you are right and that there will be no doubt at all that McCain/Palin will have sent the Messiah (and his hapless acolyte) back to the kingdom that is not of this world.

840 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:12:17pm

re: #838 realwest

Well hell, now I don't know! LOL!
Anbar was a big town/province in Iraq. But a Wiki search on Anwar doesn't turn up anything!

ANWR - Alaska National Wildlife Refuge.

841 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:12:26pm

re: #818 realwest

There are regulatory and tax measures that can make shale worth developing below the $75 mark. You are right in the quoted exchange price being a function of the futures markets. Therefore any serious action to change the rules, open supplies and reduce future dependence would drop the current price. If we could get Chavez bounced out then we could have a nice future supply for the US and Europe. It would also be a good investment opportunity once the rule of law is restored. Lot of work to do rebuilding down there.

842 ContraJihadi  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:12:37pm

re: #836 Tigger2005

Why alas? I don't think it's going to be a landslide, but I think McCain/Palin will win it solidly and will be declared the winners before the polls close on the West coast.

My bad.

843 VMA211Dan  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:13:48pm

re: #833 Intrepid

What are the 527 ads saying? I'm interested in knowing what all they're going to go after. Obama offers such rich fodder.


Um...I can't remember too well right now but I know there were a few....Sorry....about four vodka and 7's in...I'll try to pay more attention and post here, really. Sorry.

844 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:14:36pm

re: #843 VMA211Dan

Um...I can't remember too well right now but I know there were a few....Sorry....about four vodka and 7's in...I'll try to pay more attention and post here, really. Sorry.

Heh - no problem. Enjoy the V/7 buzz!

845 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:08pm

re: #836 Tigger2005
From your lips to God's ears! I certainly hope you're right and I am encouraged by the latest polls, but I've never put a whole lot of stock in polls taken prior to the last week in October.
And I'm NOT so sure we can continue to see Obama campaigning for McCain, for all that much longer!
Part of it I think has to do with how the economy does in the next six weeks and part of it has to do with how much Obama can successfully paint McCain as just another George W. Bush.
I think McCain's choice of Palin does a good deal in creating seperation between Bush and McCain.

846 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:57pm

re: #840 Intrepid
Thank you very kindly!

847 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:16:10pm

re: #841 lifeofthemind

There are regulatory and tax measures that can make shale worth developing below the $75 mark. You are right in the quoted exchange price being a function of the futures markets. Therefore any serious action to change the rules, open supplies and reduce future dependence would drop the current price. If we could get Chavez bounced out then we could have a nice future supply for the US and Europe. It would also be a good investment opportunity once the rule of law is restored. Lot of work to do rebuilding down there.

Like I said, and will continue saying, we should have invaded Venezuela immediately after Russia invaded Georgia. The consequences of our failure to act in any firm manner are enormous and are growing and accelerating exponentially.

Russia could not and would not have done a damn thing had we dumped Chavez.

848 Timbre  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:16:58pm

Next time they fire up the Physics Furnace, I hope they do in in the middle of the night, their time. One thing I have always been dead set against is dying in my sleep. I want to know when I go!

/re-run from last night...

849 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:17:29pm

re: #826 realwest

Uh,


Do you mind if I ask why you wouldn't participate (how you would I don't know) if the SBVFT did participate?

Not at all.
The mission of SBVFT was to prevent Kerry from being President.
The site indicated it would not continue after the election if Kerry did not become President.
Kerry did not become president.
The site "closed up shop" after the election. No new members allowed, just a handful of people shooting the breeze.
I was a member.
If they "resumed", I would not participate because the objective would not be related to preventing someone I consider "Unfit for Command" from obtaining the office.
Kerry's first book insulted me personally ("dead bodies in Olongapo").
Kerry's testimony before Congress in '72 insulted me personally.

This one isn't personal.

850 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:21:59pm

re: #847 Tigger2005
Well,

Like I said, and will continue saying, we should have invaded Venezuela immediately after Russia invaded Georgia. The consequences of our failure to act in any firm manner are enormous and are growing and accelerating exponentially.

I do like the way you think. BUT, if the US public opinion is SO divided (apparently, there are those damn polls again) against going into Iran to save the World from the Mullah's getting nukes (and not, coincidentally getting our mitts on Iranian oil) what makes you think Bush could have gotten away with invading Venezuela? I mean, what pretext could we have used?
(Please keep in mind that Russia has said it's sending a naval squadron - which, given the state of Russia's navy can't be very large or powerful and I think Bush could invoke JFK (to a degree, Venezuela is a looong way from Florida) but also Monroe in going after Venezuela just before the Russian ships got there).

851 Clemente  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:22:39pm

re: #716 realwest

Hey good evening all y'all! What have I missed so far tonight?!

On the heels of news of the capture of the fugitive John Roberts, President Obama has nominated Bill Clinton for the vacant Chief Justice position.

Oh, and lol's cat finally coughed up annefrance. Carpet cleaners on Friday.

852 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:24:08pm

re: #849 jwb7605
More than fair enough; Kerry insulted me personally, too (class of '70 here). I thought you might be referring to the regretable and inaccurate term of "Swift Boating" a candidate for office with harsh, albeit accurate, ads critical of him.

853 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:25:00pm

re: #846 realwest

Thank you very kindly!

QUOTE FROM MOVIE, GUESS WHICH ONE:

"How's your mother?"

854 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:25:09pm

re: #831 Tigger2005

good point.

855 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:26:57pm

re: #853 Intrepid
Sigh. Too tired to guess - please tell me!

856 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:29:39pm

re: #850 realwest

Well,

I do like the way you think. BUT, if the US public opinion is SO divided (apparently, there are those damn polls again) against going into Iran to save the World from the Mullah's getting nukes (and not, coincidentally getting our mitts on Iranian oil) what makes you think Bush could have gotten away with invading Venezuela? I mean, what pretext could we have used?
(Please keep in mind that Russia has said it's sending a naval squadron - which, given the state of Russia's navy can't be very large or powerful and I think Bush could invoke JFK (to a degree, Venezuela is a looong way from Florida) but also Monroe in going after Venezuela just before the Russian ships got there).

We used to trade movies (which were usually X-Rated) with the Russian "trawlers" in Vietnam. A destroyer would usually intercept the "trawler", not board it, and the transaction would take place. The "trawlers" had an awful lot of radio antenna ...
That kind of diplomacy will go a lot further than a JFK style blockade, IMO, and yield way better intelligence.

Invading Venezuela, even if we have the troops available, is a lose-lose proposition. It would only get South America fired up again, and validate the stuff Hugo has been saying we are planning.

857 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:30:45pm

re: #855 realwest

Sigh. Too tired to guess - please tell me!

That was from "Brian's Song", starring James Cahn and Billy Dee Williams. When they first met, Brian and Gale were talking and Brian said "Thank you" to Gale for some reason, but Gale didn't say "you're welcome". So Brian told him that when someone says "thank you", it's polite to come back with the usual "you're welcome" or something nice, like "How's your mother"?

858 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:32:24pm

re: #850 realwest

Well,

I do like the way you think. BUT, if the US public opinion is SO divided (apparently, there are those damn polls again) against going into Iran to save the World from the Mullah's getting nukes (and not, coincidentally getting our mitts on Iranian oil) what makes you think Bush could have gotten away with invading Venezuela? I mean, what pretext could we have used?

Chavez is funding/arming rebel groups in other Latin American countries, including our ally Colombia. He is hosting members of Islamic terror groups. The evidence for this is clear and unmistakable. We have every right to intervene. Certainly much more cause than Russia's manufactured excuse.

859 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:36:17pm

re: #856 jwb7605

We used to trade movies (which were usually X-Rated) with the Russian "trawlers" in Vietnam. A destroyer would usually intercept the "trawler", not board it, and the transaction would take place. The "trawlers" had an awful lot of radio antenna ...
That kind of diplomacy will go a lot further than a JFK style blockade, IMO, and yield way better intelligence.

Invading Venezuela, even if we have the troops available, is a lose-lose proposition. It would only get South America fired up again, and validate the stuff Hugo has been saying we are planning.

So, all anyone has to do to immunize himself against a U.S. attack is to talk about how evil and aggressive the U.S. is, and we won't do anything, no matter how bellicose and aggressive HE becomes, because we don't want to prove him "right."

860 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:40:38pm

re: #858 Tigger2005

You're forgetting that to 50% of the country and the MSM
Russia = "The Good Guys" !

861 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:41:16pm

re: #858 Tigger2005

Chavez is funding/arming rebel groups in other Latin American countries, including our ally Colombia. He is hosting members of Islamic terror groups. The evidence for this is clear and unmistakable. We have every right to intervene. Certainly much more cause than Russia's manufactured excuse.

Russia was funding/arming rebel groups in Vietnam.
We're more tied up now than we were back then, militarily.
If we were to "intervene" in South America, we would lose what few friends we have left in the area AND give Russia the "excuse" to beef up Hugo's efforts.

I vote we "fish" the area, and trade dirty movies with the Russian sailors.

862 Aviator  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:44:21pm

re: #600 Mich-again

Anyone read how Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm will be coaching up Joe Biden before his debate with Sarah Palin. Amazing.

Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm will play the part of Sarah Palin in multiple sparring sessions preparing the sometimes-gaffe prone Senator for the upcoming showdown.Granholm and Palin are both sitting Governors. They’re both in the same age bracket and both competed in beauty pageants. In fact, Granholm once appeared on “The Dating Game.” And they’ve both been described as “tough as nails.”

One slight difference. Granholm is Canadian. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but doesn't that leave them wide open to criticism that they couldn't find a Democratic American woman who could play the part of Sarah Palin in a play debate, they had to enlist a Canadian. 18 million of them but not one quite up to the job.

Another difference: Granholm is an fucking idiot. Her stupidity is only exceeded by the half wit voters that reelected her. She is largely responsible for the one state recession Michigan has been in for the last two years. Just keep raising taxes on businesses, that will fix EVERYTHING. Moron!

863 realwest  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:44:25pm

re: #858 Tigger2005
Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you, just think it would be a hell of a hard sell to the American ppublic (and large segments of whom would - and let's be honest about this - scream bloody murder at a "War for Oil") and would make it much more difficult to get McCain elected - sorta make Obama's McCain would be four more years of Bush seem to be true.
I'd druther push hard on the enviroweenies for nuclear power (we could hold France, FRANCE up as a shining example as she derives 70+% of her electrical needs from nuclear power) and for doing our own oil exploration and drilling, etc.

864 leftover54  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:45:04pm

Do I have some kind of "latent" issues goin' on here -
something Freudian ? Every time I happen upon the title of this thread "Large Hadron Collider Tests A-OK" I have to do a double take LOL !

865 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:46:55pm

re: #859 Tigger2005

So, all anyone has to do to immunize himself against a U.S. attack is to talk about how evil and aggressive the U.S. is, and we won't do anything, no matter how bellicose and aggressive HE becomes, because we don't want to prove him "right."

Bellicose and agressive talk is one thing.
A "USS Pueblo incident" would be another.
A replay of "Grenada" would suffice.

One of our diplomats has already commented that it "will be interesting to