Evolve: Jaws
Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:39:01 pm PDT
This is the latest episode of the History Channel’s excellent series, Evolve, on the evolution of the tool that keeps predators on top of the food chain.
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Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:39:01 pm PDT
This is the latest episode of the History Channel’s excellent series, Evolve, on the evolution of the tool that keeps predators on top of the food chain.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:41:03pm |
Figures I show up early and a new thread kicks off. Good evening/morning all, once again.
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DistantThunder Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:43:29pm |
I'm watching Palin live from Alaska speaking to a crowd.
Palin is an alpha predator with lipstick - she's doing a great job so far in her speech.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:44:32pm |
re: #3 Charles
*whew* For a few minutes I thought it was my crap browser again.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:47:46pm |
re: #4 DistantThunder
I'm watching Palin live from Alaska speaking to a crowd.
Palin is an alpha predator with lipstick - she's doing a great job so far in her speech.
Another one of those Alaska sayings ...
Unless you're the lead dog the view never changes.
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esch Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:47:47pm |
Teeth, huh?
How very timely. Considering I'm taking crack #3 at finishing a root canal tomorrow. Joy.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:48:58pm |
re: #7 simpleman
Never, we were apes and still are. Monkeys are lower down on the evolutionary scale.
/loved that line from the remake of "Planet of the Apes"
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:49:06pm |
What does this have to do with String Theory?
/predators are made up of sub-atomic particles too you know
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realwest Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:49:53pm |
re: #6 BlueCanuck Well ONE of the videos does play - sorta interesting I guess.
Hopefully the last video will show the greatest predator on earth: humans.
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realwest Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:50:34pm |
re: #9 esch
Hey esch - are you seeing a dentist or an endodontist for that root canal?
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:52:03pm |
The most interesting thing I learned about the evolution of the jaw was the about the bones- how some evolved into our ears. Fascinating stuff!
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stevieray Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:52:04pm |
I think they are demonstrating evolution in real-time. This may take a few million years to finish... but I think I see a microbe in the first video.
Oh... that was dust.
Hmmm.
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CheDub Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:52:38pm |
The episode on skin is really good. I was intrigued by how we evolved the ability to sweat in order to run our food to death.
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Egfrow Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:53:57pm |
You know a good predator that has very intimating jaws. This known as the sub species Sarrahcuda.
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:54:07pm |
Since we are OT, Charles, how is that Stephen Foster CD? Is it produced in a manner such that the music is true to the period, or are the songs given a modern treatment?
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CheDub Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:54:37pm |
So instead of a quick kill, lions actually take down their prey by slow strangulation until the victim becomes brain dead? Sounds like some of the policies being promoted by the dems.
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:55:33pm |
re: #15 Sharmuta
The most interesting thing I learned about the evolution of the jaw was the about the bones- how some evolved into our ears. Fascinating stuff!
What? what?
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esch Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:56:06pm |
re: #14 realwest
The dentist is the one who broke the file off way down in teh canal to begin with. Tomorrow is endodontist try #3 who can
1. Actually do the procedure
2. and takes my primary insurance.
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:56:06pm |
The left has made great investment in Sarah Palin's supposed 'creationism'.
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Ojoe Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:56:53pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:57:10pm |
OT: The latest Koskidz smear; the father of Bristol Palin's baby is.......Black (gasp!).....
Bristol Palin's Real Baby's Father (Kevin or Levi)?
After reeling angrily today over the sickening and perverted sex-ed that McCain and his 134 lobbyists have leveled against Senator Obama, I ran across this article which inquired and cautiously suggested that Levi may not be the father of Bristol Palin's baby.
This young man may be. Take a look at the video and provide your comments.
[Link: utube.smashits.com...]
After reading the diary of the individual who went to the Fairfax, Virginia McCain/Palin rally today, I would assume that if this is true, that their base who apparently hates Senator Obama and despises all liberals will turn flips over and over.
Do you think that the right-winged folks would disown Sarah "Barracuda/Pitbull with Lipstick" Palin if her precious daughter's baby is by an African American?
Racism!
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Egfrow Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:57:59pm |
re: #27 Ojoe
Check out Sara Palin with another downs child. No pig she. worth a look.
That was a last minute Caller into Rush Limbaugh's show. It chocked me up when I heard it live.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 10, 2008 8:58:14pm |
re: #24 lifeofthemind
Read Your Inner Fish. An actual biologist can explain it better than I.
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Opilio Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:00:39pm |
re: #27 Ojoe
Check out Sara Palin with another downs child. No pig she. worth a look.
Have you put it up in the links?
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Killer Tomato Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:01:16pm |
re: #24 lifeofthemind
For crying out loud, get your jaw bone out of your ears and you could hear her!
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:01:24pm |
Ah, finally got all the videos to play. BBIAW.
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Dan G. Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:01:47pm |
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:02:02pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
OT: The latest Koskidz smear; the father of Bristol Palin's baby is.......Black (gasp!).....
Bristol Palin's Real Baby's Father (Kevin or Levi)?
Racism!
The way to effectively respond to that is first with a full and detailed laying out of the links between Obama and the his financial backers *Soros* and the Netroots *Kos* and the Dean wing of the party. Only once he is fully and publicly tied to them in th epublic mind will exposure of these maniacs and their slurs matter. Otherwise McCain/Pallin look small for beating up on crazy kids in a basement.
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Charles Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:03:25pm |
re: #20 rawmuse
Since we are OT, Charles, how is that Stephen Foster CD? Is it produced in a manner such that the music is true to the period, or are the songs given a modern treatment?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:03:47pm |
re: #30 Sharmuta
Read Your Inner Fish. An actual biologist can explain it better than I.
I was briefly a Bio major, before I proved to be a terrible chemist. Still I do know this stuff, enough to make fun of it.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:04:25pm |
re: #36 lifeofthemind
The effective way to respond is that the lefties are spreading racist lies that they know aren't true only because it advances their cause.
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Yankee Division Son Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:04:28pm |
OT (sorry)
Holy Crap! Via Drudge:
Obama on Letterman: Paulin is "Lipstick", McCain policies are "Pig"
"Keep in mind, technically, had I meant it this way, [Palin] would be the lipstick. The failed policies of John McCain would be the pig, just following the logic of this illogical situation," Obama said.
So he was talking about Palin and McCain yesterday. No doubt about it. And, as if a bonus, Biden:
"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, she’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America, and quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate, I mean that sincerely, she’s first rate, so let’s get that straight."
Gee... ya think?
/can you say meltdown?
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Killer Tomato Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:06:16pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
OT: The latest Koskidz smear; the father of Bristol Palin's baby is.......Black (gasp!).....
Oh, that can't possibly be true. P Diddy said there aren't any blacks in Alaska.
/
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NY Nana Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:07:13pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
Are they so damned f*ing stupid that they think it would not be noticeable when the baby is born, and that the Palin family, while graciously handling their daughter's pregnancy, would not tell the world that the son in law to be is black? And would the young man's family allow him to be used as a Trojan Horse? I think not.
There just is no low low enough...
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:07:18pm |
Semi-OT: for those of you who were considering buying Spore, don't waste your time and money. It's a crappy game full of glitches and errors. The game play isn't interesting or challenging. It's a great concept but they blew it. Don't waste your money.
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Egfrow Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:07:19pm |
re: #27 Ojoe
I see this is a different incident than that was on Rush's show. Excellent! Here is a different story also, that is very touching.
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Gearhead Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:07:25pm |
re: #41 Yankee Division Son
OT (sorry)
Holy Crap! Via Drudge:
Obama on Letterman: Paulin is "Lipstick", McCain policies are "Pig"
"Keep in mind, technically, had I meant it this way, [Palin] would be the lipstick. The failed policies of John McCain would be the pig, just following the logic of this illogical situation," Obama said.
So he was talking about Palin and McCain yesterday. No doubt about it. And, as if a bonus, Biden:
"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, she’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America, and quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate, I mean that sincerely, she’s first rate, so let’s get that straight."
Gee... ya think?
/can you say meltdown?
Trying to make nice before Obama's meeting with Bill Clinton tomorrow.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:07:37pm |
re: #42 Killer Tomato
I had the same thought.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:08:30pm |
re: #43 NY Nana
They aren't concerned with reality and they aren't worried about being debunked. It's fascinating to watch.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:09:52pm |
the tool that keeps predators on top of the food chain
The 2nd amendment?
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stevieray Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:11:16pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
Point One: They are completely delusional. Like little children, they believe if they want something enough, if they wish for it hard enough, it will come true.
Point Two: The best secret weapon in the Republican/conservative arsenal is this: They have a weird, one dimensional cartoon view of their enemy. As long as they see the other side as walking talking simpletons, they will keep losing the big races.
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NY Nana Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:11:35pm |
re: #48 Killgore Trout
They aren't concerned with reality and they aren't worried about being debunked. It's fascinating to watch.
Too true. It's like living on an alternate planet.
/On SeeBS's spring schedule...'The Perils of the Palins'
Whoops! They won't dare go after VP Palin.
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mfarmer1 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:11:58pm |
OT- Wanna see a moonbat in pre-election meltdown mode?
Pre-election moonbattery
Quick! We need to chip in for her meds!
post-election preview
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stevieray Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:13:38pm |
re: #51 stevieray
Point One: They are completely delusional. Like little children, they believe if they want something enough, if they wish for it hard enough, it will come true.
Point Two: The best secret weapon in the Republican/conservative arsenal is this: They have a weird, one dimensional cartoon view of their enemy. As long as they see the other side as walking talking simpletons, they will keep losing the big races.
Clarification: the word "they" in the above comment refers to the Democrats/leftists.
/sheesh! I need some sleep!
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Killer Tomato Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:15:08pm |
re: #47 Killgore Trout
I wonder if a bunch of my former co-workers, neighbors and buds have all moved. Probably weren't aware they weren't supposed to be living there.
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NY Nana Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:16:27pm |
re: #54 stevieray
ROFL! At least you are talking to yourself...no fake sockpuppet with a totally different nic needed! ;)
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Yankee Division Son Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:16:29pm |
OT (con't, sorry again)
re: #41 Yankee Division Son
And if you read Obama's "explanation", it really makes no sense in the context of the original statement. It's and excuse, not an explanation or clarification, thought up afterwards when the you-know-what hit the fan.
It only serves to confirm he was, in fact, talking about Paulin and McCain with his two line 'joke'..
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maddogg Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:17:20pm |
re: #53 mfarmer1
OT- Wanna see a moonbat in pre-election meltdown mode?
Pre-election moonbatteryQuick! We need to chip in for her meds!
post-election preview
Brokenhearted moonbats make my leg tingle.
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:17:24pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
OT: The latest Koskidz smear; the father of Bristol Palin's baby is.......Black (gasp!).....
Bristol Palin's Real Baby's Father (Kevin or Levi)?Racism!
That is completely off the rails. The video linked to (visible here) on YouTube is probably legally actionable. Who put that guy up to it? If he doesn't provide proof of his claim that he is the father of Bristol's child-to-be, then he could be in for world of hurt.
But if you watch the whole video, it seems pretty obvious that that whole thing is completely fraudulent -- a left-wing smear purposely design the turn off (their fantasy version of) McCain voters. The guy talks too much about the political ramifications. And although I doubt that, if true, this would turn off any McCain voters at all, it's like the what the moonbats would dream about as the perfect scandal, in their misapprehension of American attitiudes.
The very fact that the whole claim exactly coincides with what leftists want to be true, convinces me (among many other reasons), that it's false.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:18:31pm |
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:19:45pm |
re: #25 esch
The dentist is the one who broke the file off way down in teh canal to begin with. Tomorrow is endodontist try #3 who can
1. Actually do the procedure
2. and takes my primary insurance.
Good lord ... have you seen an attorney?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:20:36pm |
re: #60 zombie
I think it's pretty clear that the kid is using his claim (and the gullible lefties) to advance his "urban rap" career. IIRC, there was a buy a few months ago saying he smoked crack and had gay sex with Obama. There's always someone out there willing to use gullible idiots to get 15 minutes of fame.
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stevieray Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:22:21pm |
re: #57 NY Nana
ROFL! At least you are talking to yourself...no fake sockpuppet with a totally different nic needed! ;)
When I start arguing with myself, go get the net!
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:22:46pm |
re: #51 stevieray
The best secret weapon in the Republican/conservative arsenal is this: They [the left] have a weird, one dimensional cartoon view of their enemy. As long as they see the other side as walking talking simpletons, they will keep losing the big races.
Yes. Precisely.
The single most important military axiom is: Know thy enemy.
The Left does not know their enemy, in the slightest. They imagine their opponents to uniformly be knuckle-dragging neanderthal racist rednecks. All of their strategies are based on this wash-fact. And since it isn't true, their strategies tend to fail.
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AK oilfield worker Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:24:29pm |
re: #60 zombie
That is completely off the rails. The video linked to (visible here) on YouTube is probably legally actionable. Who put that guy up to it? If he doesn't provide proof of his claim that he is the father of Bristol's child-to-be, then he could be in for world of hurt.
But if you watch the whole video, it seems pretty obvious that that whole thing is completely fraudulent -- a left-wing smear purposely design the turn off (their fantasy version of) McCain voters. The guy talks too much about the political ramifications. And although I doubt that, if true, this would turn off any McCain voters at all, it's like the what the moonbats would dream about as the perfect scandal, in their misapprehension of American attitiudes.
The very fact that the whole claim exactly coincides with what leftists want to be true, convinces me (among many other reasons), that it's false.
The kid didn't even pronounce Palin correctly.
Pure BS, it will be interesting to see just how low they will go to smear her.
Spit
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Timbre Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:24:59pm |
Charles, or anyone who knows solidly: Is Last.FM a P2P network or copyright infringement gimmick--that is, will I get a bill from Rush, Yes, Mahavishnu, et. al., for listening free?
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Killer Tomato Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:25:06pm |
re: #58 Yankee Division Son
I commute in a company owned vehicle; I can’t put a bumper sticker on it.
Tonight I hung around the office until everyone left and used the color printer to make a bumper sticker sized sign that I placed in the window of the car.
It says:
Bitterly clinging to my guns, religion & lipstick
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:25:40pm |
re: #60 zombie
Agree with everything you say which is why the response shouldn't allow Obama to simply deny a connection and laugh at the Republican's for "faux outrage" He did that once and his people think that if they keep making the Republican candidates respond to and chase rabbits down holes it will make the Republicans look as immature and sick as the people they are responding to, while Obama talks about "Real Issues" So the respons emust be careful, thorough and massive, and designed to tie it all back to Obama so it sticks to him.
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stevieray Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:25:45pm |
re: #60 zombie
Exactly! They seem to think today's Republican is a Fifties style southern Democrat.
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Charles Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:26:24pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
OT: The latest Koskidz smear; the father of Bristol Palin's baby is.......Black (gasp!).....
Bristol Palin's Real Baby's Father (Kevin or Levi)?Racism!
They've already deleted it. Getting pretty quick on the trigger over there.
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Tarkus289 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:26:31pm |
re: #57 NY Nana
Hi NY Nana, how did you fare the storm last week?
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:28:07pm |
re: #74 Charles
They've already deleted it. Getting pretty quick on the trigger over there.
Yes, but the YouTube video is still up and many other leftie blogs are still pushing it.
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AK oilfield worker Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:28:22pm |
re: #74 Charles
They've already deleted it. Getting pretty quick on the trigger over there.
Must have got a call from the Obama camp.
Somebody at the messiah's campaign must be paying attention after ORielly pointed out Obama attended the KOS convention.
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garycooper Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:29:10pm |
The evolution of the jaw gave rise to the need for lipstick...
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Can you put waterproof lipstick on a barracuda?
P.S. If I never hear the word "lipstick" again this year, I'll be fine. :)
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Gearhead Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:29:13pm |
re: #67 ploome hineni
so 10% or 5% muslims DEMAND to impose their fackocta 'values'on usin France, Germany, Britain and USA
and 80% expats in a fookin islamic country, are being watched and arrested for not respecting islamic 'values'. 80% of the poulation of the Emirates are expats.........will NEVER become citizens, and are TOLERATED as long as their work is useful
what's wrong with this picture?
Wasn't the Emir's master plan to boost Dubai's economy with tourism?
The Dem's don't understand their 'enemy', and the Emir doesn't understand his customers.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:30:22pm |
millions of years ago one sort of evolution began...............
seven years ago, another type of evolution began.
Never forget.
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:30:52pm |
Charles, check out all the hits for left-wing blogs pushing this story:
Google blog search for "black bristol palin father":
Results 1 - 10 of about 12,261 for black bristol palin father.
Samples:
Is Bristol Palin's Child's Real Father Black? (video confession)
3 hours ago by chowbellachow
I just now received the following email, Does anyone know if this is true? By the way, I tried to post the actual youtube video in this diary but I couldnt figure out how, the text of the video is printed below, here is the link ...
Daily Kos - [Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Is Bristol Palin's Child's Real Father Black?
15 hours ago by Zennie Abraham
Last week, I uncovered a video where "Kevin" claimed to be the real father of the child Alaska Governor Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol Palin is carrying and that the World has been led to believe was the result of the "involvement" of ...
Zennie's Zeitgeist - [Link: zennie2005.blogspot.com...]
Father of Bristol Palin's baby speaks Very Informative
22 hours ago
Greetings of peace to all. Please spread this video all over; to the media etc; so we can stop the demon woman from getting a chance to rule us. Peace......... YouTube - Father of Bristol Palin's baby speaks *admin edit.
Black News Junkie - [Link: blacknewsjunkie.com...]
BREAKING NEWS: Email/Statement from Alleged BLACK Father of Palin ...
9 hours ago by mokellyreport@sbcglobal.net (Morris W. O'Kelly)
RELATED: BLACK MAN Claims to be Father of Bristol Palin Child The Mo'Kelly Report is an entertainment journal with a political slant; published weekly at [Link: www.eurweb.com....] It is meant to inform, infuse and incite meaningful discourse...as ...
The Mo'Kelly Report - [Link: mokellyreport.blogspot.com...]
Bristol Palin Black Father
9 Sep 2008 by webmaster@encyclocentral.com
Bristol Palin Black Father Wiki Pages On Encyclocentral.com.
Encyclocentral - [Link: www.encyclocentral.com...]
Kevin the black father of Bristol Palin's child to confront the ...
8 Sep 2008 by Liberal Christian WASP
The real father of Bristol Palin's baby, Kevin, is flying to Alaska to be with Bristol and to confront the Palin family. He knows that he is the father and he is very upset that Bristol is apparently planning to marry Levi Johnston ...
Welcome Liberal Christians, Deists and... - [Link: liberalchristians.blogspot.com...]
VIDEO:BLACK MAN Claims to Be TRUE Father of Bristol Palin Child
9 Sep 2008 by myayiti
I just got wind of this from the Mo’Kelly Report, and man, if this is true? And listening to the brother talk…I mean… All right, yeah, he could be a paid actor pulling a prank. Or just some kid who knows how to lie to a camera really ...
MyAyiti.Com - [Link: myayiti.com...]
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Tarkus289 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:31:01pm |
re: #80 IslandLibertarian
My Avatar is a constant reminder my friend.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:31:02pm |
re: #79 Gearhead
Wasn't the Emir's master plan to boost Dubai's economy with tourism?
The Dem's don't understand their 'enemy', and the Emir doesn't understand his customers.
You mean his workers. Who do you think is building their infrastructure? Sure ain't the natives.
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:31:12pm |
Wow, sabre-toothed cats were alive on North America 12,000 years ago. That is like yesterday in geological time frames. I am sort of glad they are gone. They could definitely mess up a night on the town.
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Yankee Division Son Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:31:47pm |
OT (one more thing... I'll shutup, I promise..)
And thinking about Biden's admission, if "The One" has all this "executive experience" running a presidential campaign, (because he's got nothing else) when the first, one might say, "major" or "critical" decision he's had to make comes up, and mind you he's got lots of time to think and consider his choice, he gets it WRONG.
And some people actually want this man in the oval office at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue?!
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spidly Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:31:47pm |
re: #74 Charles
They've already deleted it. Getting pretty quick on the trigger over there.
They probably did not want to influence the election by using the troubles of Palin's children. Sure it was thoroughly checked out and confirmed by amnio expert Koslings.
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Timbre Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:33:05pm |
re: #84 rawmuse
No, no, they'd go with the family down the street, through the courtesy of friends to meet. To feast on a side of wooly mammoth meat. !
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Killer Tomato Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:33:08pm |
re: #84 rawmuse
Gack. Think about having to change that litter box.
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Gearhead Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:33:55pm |
re: #84 rawmuse
Wow, sabre-toothed cats were alive on North America 12,000 years ago. That is like yesterday in geological time frames. I am sort of glad they are gone. They could definitely mess up a night on the town.
Don't be too sure. They evolved into personal injury lawyers.
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semper gumbi Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:35:15pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
Semi-OT: for those of you who were considering buying Spore, don't waste your time and money. It's a crappy game full of glitches and errors. The game play isn't interesting or challenging. It's a great concept but they blew it. Don't waste your money.
Damn, why didn't you post this review yesterday - before Little Gumbi bought it and forced me to upgrade to Leopard since it doesn't work on earlier Mac software versions?
FWIW: So far she is really enjoying it.
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realwest Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:37:07pm |
re: #46 Gearhead Ya think maybe Biden was sorta doing prep work for when he suddenly gets seriously ill (but not to ill to give up his Senate seat) so Obama can grab Hillary before the election?
And Hillary IS on Topic: JAWS!
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Archimedes Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:37:15pm |
A six year old girl who can flat out sing. I'm amazed.
Connie Talbot
[Link: www.tagtele.com...]
And this one blows me away ...
[Link: www.tagtele.com...]
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:38:08pm |
re: #87 buzzsawmonkey
You can link from her Youtube page to her Myspace page. She is in College in Texas and from upstate NY. She appears very troubled.
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Yankee Division Son Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:38:33pm |
re: #94 realwest
And Hillary IS on Topic: JAWS!
That's the FUNNIEST thing I've read so far this week :)
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Killer Tomato Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:39:08pm |
re: #94 realwest
He grabs Hillary, he's going to draw back two bloody stumps.
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Archimedes Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:40:23pm |
re: #97 ploome hineni
did you ever get to read the links I posted about animal rights?
No ... can you provide them? I'll read them tomorrow when I have time. Almost ready to zonk out now.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:41:27pm |
re: #84 rawmuse
Wow, sabre-toothed cats were alive on North America 12,000 years ago. That is like yesterday in geological time frames. I am sort of glad they are gone. They could definitely mess up a night on the town.
Well, Matt Damon whants to know if Sarah Palin beleieves that dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago, because she might have the nuclear codes.
/I doubt it but I don't care, maybe Matt doesn't grok the fact that there are at least ten physical dimensions, everybody's wrong
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DocDublU Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:41:57pm |
sorry to OT on your evolution thread. but here's my story.
I'm flying through Chicago tomorrow on my way to Detoit. Flying on September 11th, on the 7th anniversay. I'll be wearing a shirt that states, in while block letters on a black shirt
DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.
Im's sitting in the front of the plane on all of my flights. If even one suspicious character starts mumbling and chanting and looking jealously at the cockpit door, I will not hesitate to cool his ass off instantly. They can haul me off the plane when we land, but no crap is gonna get started on my plane tomorrow,
I encourage all Lizards flying tomorrow to be on their A games, too.
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Slumbering Behemoth Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:42:38pm |
re: #53 mfarmer1
OT- Wanna see a moonbat in pre-election meltdown mode?
Pre-election moonbatteryQuick! We need to chip in for her meds!
post-election preview
"I'm tired of this country being run by a bunch of beauty queens with guns" - Waaah!
Well, those are not the kind of people who are running this country, beauty queens with guns. I don't think that's ever happened.
It sounds like a lot of fun, though. I say we try that for awhile. Beauty queens with guns.
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right_on_target Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:42:59pm |
re: #102 Killian Bundy
Well, Matt Damon whants to know if Sarah Palin beleieves that dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago, because she might have the nuclear codes.
/I doubt it but I don't care, maybe Matt doesn't grok the fact that there are at least ten physical dimensions, everybody's wrong
Dinosaurs exist TODAY, they're called BIRDS.
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ggt Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:45:02pm |
Good Evening Lizards! It was a wonderfully coolish and sunny day in the Very Far Western Parts of Chicagoland today.
This is a late-night drive-by post to say Hi and wish you all weet dreams.
As I read Charles's intro to the video I wondered how unfair it is that the Predators stay at the top of the food chain. The non-predators should make signs and protest.
///
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:46:55pm |
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DesertSage Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:47:03pm |
Wow, God created some pretty ferocious animals!
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:47:16pm |
Just remember everyone, be careful.
/salmantis will be dropping by after everyone's gone to give this thread the fine tooth comb
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Gearhead Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:47:23pm |
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Killer Tomato Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:47:49pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:48:31pm |
re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth
"And if he wins, my ass is gone, I'm leaving this country" - Waah!
Girl, I want that in writing. A binding contract, if you will.
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Slumbering Behemoth Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:51:10pm |
re: #108 buzzsawmonkey
That's not a real movie, is it Buzz? Don't answer, I already looked it up.
/made me look :headslap:
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:52:03pm |
re: #102 Killian Bundy
Well, Matt Damon whants to know if Sarah Palin beleieves that dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago, because she might have the nuclear codes.
/I doubt it but I don't care, maybe Matt doesn't grok the fact that there are at least ten physical dimensions, everybody's wrong
Matt Damon needs to learn that we elect a President and Vice President to do the tasks associated with that job, which would only include consideration of Dinosaurs when the Vice President is attending a meeting of the Board of Trustees of the Smithsonian in her ex officio capacity. She has exactly the skills and talents needed for improving the honest and efficient administration of the government and the principled and effective response to negotiations or crises in foreign affairs.
He could consider what are the talents and skills he has in his chosen profession and how they could be best used in the public interest. Perhaps he could make a film that allow the audience to identify with a man who is willing to put his life on the line to give women the choice of not submitting to pederasty and seclusion because of fanatics who would murder her for carrying zuchinni and tomatoes in the same bag.
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Gearhead Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:52:13pm |
re: #94 realwest
Ya think maybe Biden was sorta doing prep work for when he suddenly gets seriously ill (but not to ill to give up his Senate seat) so Obama can grab Hillary before the election?
And Hillary IS on Topic: JAWS!
From their perspective, anything is possible when an election is at stake.
OH, Hillary definitely is on topic. Tomorrow night's episode of Evolution is 'Cankles'.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:52:37pm |
re: #84 rawmuse
Wow, sabre-toothed cats were alive on North America 12,000 years ago. That is like yesterday in geological time frames. I am sort of glad they are gone. They could definitely mess up a night on the town.
[Link: www.tarpits.org...]
Right in DT LA.
;-)
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Syrah Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:53:01pm |
Good show.
So the show ends with Homo Sapiens dominating the planet's food chain because we are can think-make better jaws (tools & weapons) than any other creature existent. Our think-make jaws are so superior that we could be described as losing the need for chewing jaws altogether, with the potential of sucking down our future-meals with a straw.
They then mention that an evolution-driver is that the rules are constantly changing. No generation faces the same survival challenges of the preceding generation, with changes ranging from the very slight to the very significant.
Which lead me to the thought that the advantage of being able to think-make a better jaw because we can out think our prey, could be supplanted by a creature-thing that does not think at all, and has no jaw at all, just receptor-hooks. A virus.
The thinker brought down by the nonthinking.
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Slumbering Behemoth Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:53:01pm |
re: #113 Killer Tomato
Name for a band?
Doesn't really "pop", though. How about "Thrill Kill Beauty Queens"?
Probably already out there.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:53:09pm |
re: #117 IslandLibertarian
Maybe I'll dust off my crown/tiara thing and wear it next time I go to the range.
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realwest Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:53:18pm |
re: #74 Charles
Well
They've already deleted it. Getting pretty quick on the trigger over there.
they sure as hell have had a lot of practice!
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DesertSage Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:54:19pm |
re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth
"I'm tired of this country being run by a bunch of beauty queens with guns" - Waaah!
Well, those are not the kind of people who are running this country, beauty queens with guns. I don't think that's ever happened.
It sounds like a lot of fun, though. I say we try that for awhile. Beauty queens with guns.
Who is that girl?
And what the hell is wrong with her?
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:54:52pm |
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Gretchen Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:55:51pm |
OT:
Just for fun I did 3 Google searches:
Obama and Rezko (541,000 hits)
Obama and Annenberg (281,000 hits)
and
Palin and Pregnant (3,400,000 hits) That's NOT a typo
That's where we are America - the pregnancies in the Palin family are more interesting to Americans and American journalists than wrongdoing by a presidential candidate who has been in this race for over a year.
What other searches can ya come up with lizards?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:56:25pm |
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:56:57pm |
re: #130 buzzsawmonkey
The latter, an early effort of his, is...demented.
As opposed to his other serious artistic achievements.
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Intrepid Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:59:16pm |
re: #53 mfarmer1
Is that an IV line over her left shoulder? Looks like it. Maybe she needs another shot of something in her IV bag.
"I'm sick of this country being run by beauty queens - with guns!"
"Most people didn't even know Alaska was a state."
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 9:59:46pm |
re: #127 DesertSage
Who is that girl?
And what the hell is wrong with her?
Not smart to speculate, hope she gets professional help, some things can such as depression and eating disorders can become life threatening. College isn't like High School where adults were always looking out for her.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:00:26pm |
A very interesting alternate version.....
The Persuasions: The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing
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Racer X Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:00:43pm |
Ahhh, choices, choices....
Option #1 - A decorated military veteran with over 20 years of political experience. Consistently votes against pork barrel spending. Supports the military with words and deeds. Often goes against his own party for what he truly believes in. Wife is a rich hottie who owns a beer distributorship.
VP pick - Hottie who can hunt and fish and give birth - at the same time. Current Governor of the largest state in America (which is rich in natural resources at a time when utilizing those natural resources is urgently needed). 80% approval rating - highest in America. Husband is a man among men.
or
Option #2 - A former community organizer / State Senator (voted mostly "present"). Current U.S. Senator who has been running for president since taking office. No major accomplishments to speak of (or demonstrated). Admitted former drug user. Known associate of America haters and domestic terrorists. Spouse admits to rarely being proud of America.
VP pick - A long time politician with no major accomplishments to speak of - although he does speak quite a bit. Foreign policy recommendations have been derided by his peers. Prone to committing gaffs. Admits he is not the best candidate for the job.
Decisions, decisions...
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NY Nana Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:01:34pm |
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:02:04pm |
re: #135 buzzsawmonkey
Now, now. Russ Meyer was always abreast of new developments in cinema.
IN fact most technical advancement in imagery and in computing were largely stimulated by prurient activity. Legitimate business and art may like to think they are cutting edge but they are not.
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zombie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:02:07pm |
re: #134 buzzsawmonkey
First question, can't answer.
Second question: college.
Her "sadness" is not real depression. It's what in the pre-Freud days was called "hysteria." She has an overwhelming need to be the center of attention -- the negative center of attention. That was the hallmark of the hysteric -- they derived satisfaction from "creating a scene" or flamboyantly pouting (which is what her videos are).
Actual depressives do not make videos of themselves being depressed. They just want to be alone, and/or they don't want everyone to watch them in their misery.
She's obviously been raised in the "It's all about me!" culture, where even private sadness must necessarily be "processed" with the whole wide world.
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Gearhead Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:05:29pm |
re: #139 Racer X
Biden is starting to sound a little like "Who am I and why am I here?"
If Obama changes Veeps, does the new person have to be formally nominated and voted on by the delegates?
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Slumbering Behemoth Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:06:04pm |
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:06:48pm |
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DesertSage Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:07:21pm |
All one has to do is watch the Blue Beauty slide show....and they won't be depressed anymore.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:08:44pm |
And I am back after watching the vids and catching up on comments. One interesting thing about Human and primate evolution that ties in directly to intellegence. Primates have a muscle tied to the jaws and the top of the head. In humans this muscle doesn't exist. It's some paleontologists thought that the weakening and loss of this muscle enabled the hominids skull to expand allowing the brain to grow and evolve to what we have now.
/love this stuff.
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realwest Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:08:59pm |
re: #139 Racer X
Hey my friend - a minor "enhancement" of your quote:
VP pick - Hottie who can hunt and fish and give birth - at the same time. Current Governor of the largest state in America (which is rich in natural resources at a time when utilizing those natural resources is urgently needed). 80% approval rating - highest in America. Husband is a man among men. Consistently votes against pork barrel spending. Supports the military with words and deeds. Often goes against her own party for what she truly believes in.
I think that ties it nicely together!
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:09:10pm |
re: #142 zombie
Maybe I am very reluctant to play shrink, learned that in College many many years ago when I was describing how we played with hypnotism to a guest at a sherry hour. I had over the Summer brought a girl down very deep until she started describing how something or someone was trying to get into the room she was in. I had brought her back up and released her. The guest, a world famous psychologist, got very excited, told me I had been in imminent danger and made me swear never to do it again.
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neocon hippie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:09:57pm |
re: #142 zombie
The word used nowadays for the phenomenon you described is "histrionic".
She may well also have Borderline Personality Disorder.
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Opilio Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:10:18pm |
On Intrade, the political futures market, where actual people invest actual money trading contracts whose final value is determined by the outcome of the presidential election, Obama futures have dropped from 61 to just below 50 in the last week. Conversely, McCain's have gained 25% and trade at 49.
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:10:33pm |
re: #142 zombie
Honestly when I was in College I wouldn't have wanted her, and I was not exactly discriminating, she seems off.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:11:09pm |
re: #147 Killian Bundy
Hilarious. Roger Ebert was a writer along with Russel Myers. Wonder if I should take his movie critiscms seriously now.
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Racer X Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:11:13pm |
re: #145 Gearhead
If Obama changes Veeps, does the new person have to be formally nominated and voted on by the delegates?
Good question - I do not know (Democrat policies are kinda out there).
Look for Biden to develop a serious medical condition in the next few days. There is no chance in hell Hillary will consider the VP slot now. Obama totally dissed her (I have actually heard comments from lefty friends who say she dissed him!).
Democrats have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory - again!
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:11:49pm |
re: #144 buzzsawmonkey
Legitimate business can often be cutting edge.
Art is almost always reactionary--at least in modern times--despite artists' unfounded belief that they are "canaries in the coal mine."
Was refering to their technical activity.
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realwest Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:11:54pm |
re: #142 zombie
Hi zombie - uh
They just want to be alone, and/or they don't want anyeveryone to watch them in their misery.
Just kind of a minor fix up there, otherwise spot on comment, as usual.
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:13:50pm |
re: #158 Racer X
If he drops Biden now, it's over......he's stuck with Plugs to the bitter end.....hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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NY Nana Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:13:53pm |
re: #75 Tarkus289
Hi! We were very lucky, thanks. A lot of rain, areas nearby were flooded, and there also were power outages in NY, NJ and CT, but not here, and there were downed trees, etc., but all in all? Thank G-d.
Today? 9/11/08? Far harder to get through than the storm.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:13:56pm |
re: #155 Opilio
On Intrade, the political futures market, where actual people invest actual money trading contracts whose final value is determined by the outcome of the presidential election, Obama futures have dropped from 61 to just below 50 in the last week. Conversely, McCain's have gained 25% and trade at 49.
Any professional statisticians care to weigh in? Probabilities till Nov?
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realwest Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:15:00pm |
re: #148 DesertSage
Absolutely beautiful Sage - thank you!
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:15:26pm |
re: #161 Desert Dog
If he drops Biden now, it's over......he's stuck with Plugs to the bitter end.....hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
The convention is over ... is it possible to nominate a new VP?
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lifeofthemind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:16:01pm |
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victor_yugo Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:17:42pm |
Here's food for thought, for all you Robert Heinlein fans:
Sarah Palin fits very well the Heinleinian "frontier woman" type. She can track the money, fix the car, and field-dress a moose with equal ease, while taking ZERO crap from just about anyone (no time for that), without losing one iota of her feminine charms.
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Opilio Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:18:37pm |
re: #131 Gretchen
OT:
Just for fun I did 3 Google searches:
Obama and Rezko (541,000 hits)
Obama and Annenberg (281,000 hits)and
Palin and Pregnant (3,400,000 hits) That's NOT a typo
What other searches can ya come up with lizards?
Obama and Ayers (1,920,000 hits)
Obama and Trinity (2,870,000 hits)
Obama and Jeremiah (3,830,000 hits)
and last, but not least...
Michelle and Proud (12,600,000 hits)
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:19:07pm |
re: #165 Bobibutu
The convention is over ... is it possible to nominate a new VP?
I am not sure of the rules, but I do not think they need to re-convene for a VP....if Obama decides to quit, they'd have to have another convention? I don't think they will drop Biden. That would be like cutting their own throats. But, this has been the oddest election I can remember, and their still 2 months to go - ANYTHING could happen.
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:19:53pm |
re: #168 Opilio
Obama and Ayers (1,920,000 hits)
Obama and Trinity (2,870,000 hits)
Obama and Jeremiah (3,830,000 hits)
and last, but not least...Michelle and Proud (12,600,000 hits)
Obama and Ego (4,170,000 hits)
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:20:22pm |
re: #167 victor_yugo
You missed the most important one. Is able to shoot a gun accurately. :)
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victor_yugo Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:21:01pm |
re: #171 BlueCanuck
You missed the most important one. Is able to shoot a gun accurately. :)
How do you think she got the moose?
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Racer X Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:21:38pm |
re: #148 DesertSage
All one has to do is watch the Blue Beauty slide show....and they won't be depressed anymore.
Awesome!
Thanks!
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:22:07pm |
re: #172 victor_yugo
How do you think she got the moose?
She organized the community, then got a sleazy slumlord to get the moose at below market....oh wait, that's not Sarah....nevermind
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realwest Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:22:25pm |
re: #169 Desert Dog
I agree with you about the VP choice - that is, I think under the rules of the Dem Left Party, the nominee for POTUS could simply choose another nominee for Vice-President.
Don't know what would happen if Obama decided he didn't want to or was too ill to run or somesuch; I'd think that they'd have to have some sort of convention, if only by phone and of only the superdelegates, to pick a new POTUS nominee.
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:22:47pm |
re: #53 mfarmer1
OT- Wanna see a moonbat in pre-election meltdown mode?
Pre-election moonbatteryQuick! We need to chip in for her meds!
post-election preview
Just the type of people I prefer to not have govern me, self absorbed emos.
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Racer X Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:22:49pm |
re: #152 realwest
Hey my friend - a minor "enhancement" of your quote:
I think that ties it nicely together!
Agreed - thanks!
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gearhead Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:23:01pm |
re: #168 Opilio
Obama and Ayers (1,920,000 hits)
Obama and Trinity (2,870,000 hits)
Obama and Jeremiah (3,830,000 hits)
and last, but not least...Michelle and Proud (12,600,000 hits)
Obama+lipstick: 17,600,000
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leftover54 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:23:12pm |
re: #35 Desert Dog
Great - jeeeezzz, now Sarah is just a "monkey". Not that I would ever lust over another mans wife or anything but - wait, I do have a "conscience" you know - I know she's not on the planet solely for my sexual gratification/pro creation - gee, maybe I am different than the monkey ? Oh, forgot, I'm just more evolved. Anyhow, I digress.
So Sarah is just another furry ape. And now...I ....can not...get....that....image....outta....my........h ead....this really sucks. Monkey LOVE ! Would it be a sin for me to find a single (as in un married) Sarah look alike and have my way with her ? Guess so.
Just a different sin and the "lusting in my heart" stuff, guess life is really less complicated as a monkey. Damn evolution.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:23:59pm |
re: #169 Desert Dog
I am not sure of the rules, but I do not think they need to re-convene for a VP....if Obama decides to quit, they'd have to have another convention? I don't think they will drop Biden. That would be like cutting their own throats. But, this has been the oddest election I can remember, and their still 2 months to go - ANYTHING could happen.
Roger the blazes out of that ... anyone her know the rules and possibilities?
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realwest Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:25:36pm |
re: #180 Bobibutu
Well I don't KNOW the rules, but see my #175 for a probable result.
Still, as I said, I just don't know.
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Celtic Templar Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:26:27pm |
re: #169 Desert Dog
I am not sure of the rules, but I do not think they need to re-convene for a VP....if Obama decides to quit, they'd have to have another convention? I don't think they will drop Biden. That would be like cutting their own throats. But, this has been the oddest election I can remember, and their still 2 months to go - ANYTHING could happen.
Same here, and I'd expect the MSM would go full throttle to gin up Hillary as a savior. Biden withdrawing is up 5.9 at Intrade. Near a tie for McCain and Obama. Someone ought to put a contract for Hillary to step in as Obama's VP. Obama needs the defibrillator - swapping for Hillary would do that.
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realwest Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:27:25pm |
Well all y'all it's time for me to get some sleep! I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING, and that any lizards (and others) in harms way from Ike fare well, and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Goodnight, all.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:27:57pm |
re: #181 realwest
Well I don't KNOW the rules, but see my #175 for a probable result.
Still, as I said, I just don't know.
Got your #175 - ah we live in interesting times.
Glad you are hanging in there.
Best to ya dude.
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Celtic Templar Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:28:59pm |
And the beat goes on, looks like both Biden and Obama are plagiarists (or a variant)
Obama thrills them with cartoon quote
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leftover54 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:30:13pm |
And that was a sign that its time for leftover to go to
bed ! I so HATE sleeping in trees. I want a banana
O'bama. O'bamas Bananas. Yes we have no bananas , no O'bamabananas today...bananabama. I want a bananabama before bed...but they give you nightmares !
What do a banana and a O'bama have in common ?
/Carnac
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neocon hippie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:30:34pm |
In the highly unlikely event that Biden would withdraw from the ticket for health reasons, he would also have to resign his Senate seat for that to have credibility. No way would he altogether retire at this stage of the game.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:31:35pm |
re: #166 lifeofthemind
Written by moonbat Roger Ebert.
We made a lot of progress in twenty years.
/it still brings tears to my eyes how well my under 20 staff, dressed and behaving to the nines, executed important premeires like Dances With Wolves
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:31:36pm |
re: #165 Bobibutu
The convention is over ... is it possible to nominate a new VP?
From what I have read, since 1940, the Vice President has been chosen by the Presidential candidate, personally. Before that, party leaders nominated the Vice President, and the Presidential nominee was completely uninvolved!
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:32:19pm |
re: #182 Celtic Templar
Obama should have driven a stake into her heart, poured holy water on her and got out the garlic shredder.....rather than exile her back to Transylvania, oops, I mean New York.
Do you think she would energize the race? I know she has rabid followers, but she has an equal number of rabid detractors (yours truly included).
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Opilio Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:33:34pm |
re: #180 Bobibutu
Roger the blazes out of that ... anyone her know the rules and possibilities?
Rules! Rules? They don't need no stinkin' rules!
Back in '72, Eagleton bowed out (right.) two weeks after the convention, and McGovern picked Shriver. I don't think he had to run it past anyone. Things have probably changed in 36 years.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:33:35pm |
Since I have to be at work in a few hours, I ought to get some sleep...
'night lizards!
9/11 - never forget
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Slumbering Behemoth Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:33:38pm |
re: #176 rawmuse
Just the type of people I prefer to not have govern me, self absorbed emos.
I don't think she's of this planet. I think she's an alien who has taken on human form to infiltrate our society. Sadly, like all aliens traveling to earth, their data is woefully out of date due to the slow speed of radio wave transmissions.
The alien had to base it's human likeness and persona upon old t.v. shows like this one.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:35:06pm |
re: #81 zombie
Charles, check out all the hits for left-wing blogs pushing this story:
Google blog search for "black bristol palin father":
Results 1 - 10 of about 12,261 for black bristol palin father.
Samples:
That's just bizarre. Really, really bizarre. Sick, even. They're so obsessed with this idea that "conservatives" would give a rat's ass what color the father is, that they fantasize about it to the point of making up stories of a black father from whole cloth?
Dubiyah Tee Ayif?
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Celtic Templar Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:35:46pm |
re: #193 Desert Dog
Obama should have driven a stake into her heart, poured holy water on her and got out the garlic shredder.....rather than exile her back to Transylvania, oops, I mean New York.
Do you think she would energize the race? I know she has rabid followers, but she has an equal number of rabid detractors (yours truly included).
I doubt she would energize the race, but the faux energy would come out of the MSM. They would treat it like it was a heavy weight fight between Clinton and Palin. I don't know how the Puma pac would react - would they think Clinton sold out? Or justify it or what ... I do see the pip squeaks like Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC, US mag, etc. acting as if it were the next coming.
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Celtic Templar Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:36:59pm |
re: #194 Opilio
Rules! Rules? They don't need no stinkin' rules!
Back in '72, Eagleton bowed out (right.) two weeks after the convention, and McGovern picked Shriver. I don't think he had to run it past anyone. Things have probably changed in 36 years.
The DNC could always amend the rules - they did for the roll call for the convention (correct me if I'm wrong). First Mich, Fla didn't count, then they partially counted, etc.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:37:14pm |
re: #192 rawmuse
From what I have read, since 1940, the Vice President has been chosen by the Presidential candidate, personally. Before that, party leaders nominated the Vice President, and the Presidential nominee was completely uninvolved!
OK - so where do they go if Biden backs out? Rather - how do they do it?
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:38:19pm |
re: #200 Bobibutu
OK - so where do they go if Biden backs out? Rather - how do they do it?
Obama could pick Oprah? Then we could have the mud-wrestling cage match of the century!
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:38:51pm |
re: #200 Bobibutu
OK - so where do they go if Biden backs out? Rather - how do they do it?
Obama just names another. Simple as that.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:39:45pm |
re: #194 Opilio
Rules! Rules? They don't need no stinkin' rules!
Back in '72, Eagleton bowed out (right.) two weeks after the convention, and McGovern picked Shriver. I don't think he had to run it past anyone. Things have probably changed in 36 years.
I was overseas then - thank you for updating me - I didn't have a clue that happened - shows what I know :-)
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Celtic Templar Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:40:56pm |
re: #200 Bobibutu
OK - so where do they go if Biden backs out? Rather - how do they do it?
Admit a Mea Culpa, claim Palin is a threat to choice and only another woman can speak for woman's rights. Have Biden celebrate the choice (after all he doesn't have to go toe to toe with a woman). I can't see the play ... but I would not put it past them.
Also, Obama is meeting with Bill Clinton in Harlem, NY for 2 days. NY is in the bag for Obama, what other reason could he have to be there?
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:42:08pm |
re: #203 rawmuse
Obama just names another. Simple as that.
WOW - I thot nominations and acceptance meant something ... silly me.
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Opilio Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:42:40pm |
re: #200 Bobibutu
OK - so where do they go if Biden backs out? Rather - how do they do it?
If Biden bails, it's over. More over than it is already. It would be Obama's first executive decision blowing up in his face in less than 3 weeks. Complete debacle.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:45:01pm |
re: #205 Celtic Templar
Admit a Mea Culpa, claim Palin is a threat to choice and only another woman can speak for woman's rights. Have Biden celebrate the choice (after all he doesn't have to go toe to toe with a woman). I can't see the play ... but I would not put it past them.
Also, Obama is meeting with Bill Clinton in Harlem, NY for 2 days. NY is in the bag for Obama, what other reason could he have to be there?
You have a point there. Unless ... ah let's not go there ;-)
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:45:16pm |
re: #206 Bobibutu
Well, I just re read the US Constitution Executive branch section, and absolutely nothing is said about the Vice President. You have to go to the Legislative branch section, where duties and minimal qualifications for the Vice President are outlined, but not selection thereof.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:47:17pm |
re: #207 Opilio
If Biden bails, it's over. More over than it is already. It would be Obama's first executive decision blowing up in his face in less than 3 weeks. Complete debacle.
Just another reason why this guy is not ready for prime time. First?
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:48:01pm |
re: #209 rawmuse
Well, I just re read the US Constitution Executive branch section, and absolutely nothing is said about the Vice President. You have to go to the Legislative branch section, where duties and minimal qualifications for the Vice President are outlined, but not selection thereof.
You are frikkin' amazing RM.
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Celtic Templar Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:48:46pm |
re: #210 Bobibutu
Just another reason why this guy is not ready for prime time. First?
That hasn't stopped him from winning the Democratic nomination and being relatively untouched by the media. I smell something worse than fish in that newspaper is coming soon. Watch for a Friday surprise.
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:49:48pm |
re: #211 Bobibutu
You are frikkin' amazing RM.
No, the Founders were amazing. I stand in awe of them constantly.
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Neo Con since 9-11 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:50:11pm |
re: #209 rawmuse
Well, I just re read the US Constitution Executive branch section, and absolutely nothing is said about the Vice President. You have to go to the Legislative branch section, where duties and minimal qualifications for the Vice President are outlined, but not selection thereof.
12th amendment spells it out. The VP is chosen the same way as Pres.
The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
When a Presidential candidate chooses their running mate all they are really doing is asking any electors they may win to also vote for their running mate.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:50:54pm |
re: #212 Celtic Templar
That hasn't stopped him from winning the Democratic nomination and being relatively untouched by the media. I smell something worse than fish in that newspaper is coming soon. Watch for a Friday surprise.
I thot he was bitchin' about the media today ... heh - OK looking forward to Friday.
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Typicalwhitey Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:51:54pm |
Once again the NYT outs classified information:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:52:49pm |
re: #214 Neo Con since 9-11
When a Presidential candidate chooses their running mate all they are really doing is asking any electors they may win to also vote for their running mate.
Yeah ... but can they CHANGE?
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neocon hippie Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:53:35pm |
re: #212 Celtic Templar
And what might that Friday surprise be?
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:53:38pm |
re: #216 Typicalwhitey
Once again the NYT outs classified information:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Out frikkin' rage.
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:53:40pm |
re: #214 Neo Con since 9-11
From Wiki
"The separate ballots for President and Vice President became something of a moot issue later in the 19th century when it became the norm for popular elections to determine a state's Electoral College delegation. Electors chosen this way are pledged to vote for a particular presidential and vice-presidential candidate (offered by the same political party). So, while the Constitution says that the president and vice president are chosen separately, in practice they are chosen together."
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Celtic Templar Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:54:09pm |
re: #217 Bobibutu
Yeah ... but can they CHANGE?
I would think the DNC would have special rules for changing a VP. And the constitutional citation does not take into account party rules.
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Typicalwhitey Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:57:26pm |
If Biden "backs out" then it will be game over for Obama.
There is no way this will pass the smell test to the American people if Biden quits, for whatever reason and Hillary or another woman steps in.
It will look like what it is, a "me too" play and he will never convince the American people that it was anything but that.
Never.
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ContraJihadi Wed, Sep 10, 2008 10:59:41pm |
re: #213 rawmuse
No, the Founders were amazing. I stand in awe of them constantly.
Aye, the Founders had all studied the republics of Greece and Rome, had read the theories of the 17th-Century liberals; and yet, between the Athens of Jefferson and the Jerusalem of Adams, they did establish Novus Ordum Saeculorum on a much firmer ground than the French Revolutionaries of the 1790's.
This is why we have a pluralistic republic in America with some features of economic socialism, instead of the full-blown fascistic-communistic hybrid of the European countries.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:00:18pm |
re: #222 Typicalwhitey
If Biden "backs out" then it will be game over for Obama.
There is no way this will pass the smell test to the American people if Biden quits, for whatever reason and Hillary or another woman steps in.
It will look like what it is, a "me too" play and he will never convince the American people that it was anything but that.
Never.
You don't think Hills 18 mill won't run to her?
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Typicalwhitey Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:01:04pm |
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:03:04pm |
re: #223 ContraJihadi
Aye, the Founders had all studied the republics of Greece and Rome, had read the theories of the 17th-Century liberals; and yet, between the Athens of Jefferson and the Jerusalem of Adams, they did establish Novus Ordum Saeculorum on a much firmer ground than the French Revolutionaries of the 1790's.
This is why we have a pluralistic republic in America with some features of economic socialism, instead of the full-blown fascistic-communistic hybrid of the European countries.
Ah - however are there enough left to understand this? Who vote?
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Celtic Templar Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:03:55pm |
re: #222 Typicalwhitey
If Biden "backs out" then it will be game over for Obama.
There is no way this will pass the smell test to the American people if Biden quits, for whatever reason and Hillary or another woman steps in.
It will look like what it is, a "me too" play and he will never convince the American people that it was anything but that.
Never.
I have confidence in the American voter to see through it. The tone of the media will change, they will be oohing an ahhing and try to reassert their influence. They will be saying that they are not sexist, for look how they treat Obama's choice. I see Palin being minimized under the faux celebration of Obama's new woman savior, however crass it may seem. Hollywoodians will celebrate it as something that the Obama can do that noone else would have the "guts" to do.
Hopefully, the last couple of weeks have been a red pill for folks to see out of the Matrix and to never be able to return. There's just something in my gut telling me that something like this is happening and the MSM will prop it up.
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:04:15pm |
re: #23 lifeofthemind
In Soviet Union monkey poo throws you.
Speaking of poo...
...here's Something Positive.
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RTLM Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:06:23pm |
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ContraJihadi Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:07:39pm |
re: #226 Bobibutu
Ah - however are there enough left to understand this? Who vote?
Sigh, not very many understand this now, not enough; but it is better to speak of these things among friends who may understand and take comfort than to leave all public discourse to the invidious minions of the resentful progressives.
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Typicalwhitey Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:09:10pm |
re: #227 Celtic Templar
I have confidence in the American voter to see through it. The tone of the media will change, they will be oohing an ahhing and try to reassert their influence. They will be saying that they are not sexist, for look how they treat Obama's choice. I see Palin being minimized under the faux celebration of Obama's new woman savior, however crass it may seem. Hollywoodians will celebrate it as something that the Obama can do that noone else would have the "guts" to do.
Hopefully, the last couple of weeks have been a red pill for folks to see out of the Matrix and to never be able to return. There's just something in my gut telling me that something like this is happening and the MSM will prop it up.
They can try all they want.
Palin connects with people, everyday people, particularly women just like me.
The media cannot make that happen with another female candidate, because they did not do it with her.
She did it.
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tradewind Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:09:15pm |
Ruh-Roh.....
More from the not-so-highly-evolved Reverend Wright...
'It's all Wrong But It's All Wright':
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:10:40pm |
re: #226 Bobibutu
Ah - however are there enough left to understand this? Who vote?
I did not care one whit for politics until I was about 35. I starting meeting musicians from other countries, who wanted to be American citizens. Some got naturalized the standard way, others married Americans, others did it illegally. It occurred to me that I had something that was valuable, that other people wanted, even on pain of death and privation, to have for themselves. I had taken it for granted. That is when I studied this precious thing that I have called US Citizenship. I served on juries. I read all I could get my hands on. I have a small copy of the US Constitution that I often have on my person, if not, nearby.
Now, it almost consumes me.
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mfarmer1 Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:11:55pm |
Bikini Girls With Machine Guns-take 1
Bikini Girls with Machine Guns-take 2
THE CRAMPS ROCK! Even though they're getting on in years these days, they're a must see if you get the chance.
The second link is the actual video released by the band. Didn't see any aerial wolf shooting going on in either of them however.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:12:44pm |
re: #230 ContraJihadi
Sigh, not very many understand this now, not enough; but it is better to speak of these things among friends who may understand and take comfort than to leave all public discourse to the invidious minions of the resentful progressives.
There was a tinge of this in school - 40s' & 50s - my fathers teachers that I had a moment to learn from ... then it was ... gone. God rest 'em. God rest you Ms. Brown.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:16:28pm |
re: #233 rawmuse
I did not care one whit for politics until I was about 35. I starting meeting musicians from other countries, who wanted to be American citizens. Some got naturalized the standard way, others married Americans, others did it illegally. It occurred to me that I had something that was valuable, that other people wanted, even on pain of death and privation, to have for themselves. I had taken it for granted. That is when I studied this precious thing that I have called US Citizenship. I served on juries. I read all I could get my hands on. I have a small copy of the US Constitution that I often have on my person, if not, nearby.
Now, it almost consumes me.
I, like you, am aged. And did not appreciate what I had until later in life. Roger Wilco. 10-4 and all the rest!
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:20:42pm |
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:20:54pm |
Todays Day by Day cartoon. Lest we forget.
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victor_yugo Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:23:21pm |
re: #239 BlueCanuck
Interesting that he casts the WTC "shadows" behind the two liberal characters. I wonder what his thoughts are on that?
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:23:37pm |
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:24:40pm |
re: #239 BlueCanuck
Todays Day by Day cartoon. Lest we forget.
I was presenting a seminar in Laredo Texas - break time - gal comes running back in to the room " an airplane has crashed into the WTC" .. I said - "Osama Bin Laden" she said "who?"
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Meremortal Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:27:03pm |
OT: My large flag is out on the front porch (properly lit) and ready for morning. Both of our cars have flags mounted and ready for the drive to work tomorrow.
You are ready for tomorrow, right?
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rawmuse Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:27:09pm |
A good article from American Thinker.
Future Jihad.
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esch Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:28:23pm |
re: #62 Bobibutu
Sorry was afk, kid's bedtime.
Nah the dentist's office has been as helpful as they can be. Haven't billed for the original procedure and have made all the arrangements once I identified an eligible office. Scheiss happens.
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:29:02pm |
Governor Sarah Palin in Kuwait.
[Link: www.strategypage.com...]
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ContraJihadi Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:30:27pm |
re: #235 Bobibutu
There was a tinge of this in school - 40s' & 50s - my fathers teachers that I had a moment to learn from ... then it was ... gone. God rest 'em. God rest you Ms. Brown.
Oh, I can attest that Mrs. Lynch who taught 3rd Grade at 156th Street School in Gardena, California, in 1955, taught her pupils that America was right and the Soviet Union was wrong. And when I came home in the afternoon, I watched Victory At Sea on the television. And since my father was a (secular) Jew and my mother (ambiguously) Christian, religious pluralism rather than sectarian enthusiasm was the focus of the household in which I grew up. Country came First, even while my parents were registered Democrats.
...
Also, the hour is late, lizards, and tomorrow I must try to convince myself that I should continue painting the kitchen, at least for a couple of hours. So, I'll find some way appropriately to commemorate 9/11. I am not particularly demonstrative. I'll not fly the flag, I but have already lent financial support to McCain's efforts to secure the White House and to keep it in the care of patriots.
Be brave, lizards, but be polite.
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Mel Lono Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:32:04pm |
re: #229 RTLM
Ah, Dennis.. The people's pundit. Spot on again and if you listen to his show, great taste in music too.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:32:35pm |
re: #245 esch
Sorry was afk, kid's bedtime.
Nah the dentist's office has been as helpful as they can be. Haven't billed for the original procedure and have made all the arrangements once I identified an eligible office. Scheiss happens.
Good - sometimes professionals hold themselves out as absolute - which is BS.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:35:19pm |
re: #240 victor_yugo
Um no. Zed and Sam are the republican conservatives.
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esch Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:35:25pm |
re: #249 Bobibutu
Yes, I've met more than my share of those 'subprime' medical providers.
I wish I had a "Drill, Baby Drill!" T-shirt I could wear tomorrow.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:36:31pm |
re: #247 ContraJihadi
Oh, I can attest that Mrs. Lynch who taught 3rd Grade at 156th Street School in Gardena, California, in 1955, taught her pupils that America was right and the Soviet Union was wrong. And when I came home in the afternoon, I watched Victory At Sea on the television. And since my father was a (secular) Jew and my mother (ambiguously) Christian, religious pluralism rather than sectarian enthusiasm was the focus of the household in which I grew up. Country came First, even while my parents were registered Democrats.
...Also, the hour is late, lizards, and tomorrow I must try to convince myself that I should continue painting the kitchen, at least for a couple of hours. So, I'll find some way appropriately to commemorate 9/11. I am not particularly demonstrative. I'll not fly the flag, I but have already lent financial support to McCain's efforts to secure the White House and to keep it in the care of patriots.
Be brave, lizards, but be polite.
Victory At Sea - why I joined the Navy! And loved it.
Won't fly the flag? Que?
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:37:58pm |
re: #242 Bobibutu
I was up at my dads in Ottawa having breakfast listening to the radio. heard about the first plane crash, and turned on the t.v. for the second one. Spent the rest of the morning and afternoon on the couch curled up in a comforter because I was so cold. It was a beautiful day too, temperature wise.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:42:29pm |
re: #253 BlueCanuck
I was up at my dads in Ottawa having breakfast listening to the radio. heard about the first plane crash, and turned on the t.v. for the second one. Spent the rest of the morning and afternoon on the couch curled up in a comforter because I was so cold. It was a beautiful day too, temperature wise.
Stunning day for us all.
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ContraJihadi Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:43:26pm |
re: #252 Bobibutu
Victory At Sea - why I joined the Navy! And loved it.
Won't fly the flag? Que?
OK, I haven't left quite yet. ... I don't have a way to display it, but I do have a Disabled Veterans U.S. flag sticker affixed to the window on my front door.
I'll confess, during the Viet Nam War, I was a conscientious objector. I was kind of a hippie, but not a lefty; naively I believed in pure pacifism. Only later in life (Gulf War I) did I come to understand that Plato had the truth: "only the dead know an end to war" and that some wars were not only necessary but condign. You'll have to forgive my sluggish stupidity in this regard.
But I have been a bookish fellow all my life and not one for outward displays. Perhaps this will change, but for me the Word comes before the Show.
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:50:51pm |
re: #255 ContraJihadi
OK, I haven't left quite yet. ... I don't have a way to display it, but I do have a Disabled Veterans U.S. flag sticker affixed to the window on my front door.
I'll confess, during the Viet Nam War, I was a conscientious objector. I was kind of a hippie, but not a lefty; naively I believed in pure pacifism. Only later in life (Gulf War I) did I come to understand that Plato had the truth: "only the dead know an end to war" and that some wars were not only necessary but condign. You'll have to forgive my sluggish stupidity in this regard.
But I have been a bookish fellow all my life and not one for outward displays. Perhaps this will change, but for me the Word comes before the Show.
In all due respect - actions pre-deceed words in their value.
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ContraJihadi Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:56:53pm |
re: #256 Bobibutu
In all due respect - actions pre-deceed words in their value.
You may be right. Goethe wrote: In the Beginning was the Deed.
But this is not my intellectual heritage. I am with the Evangelist John: In the Beginning was the Word. And with Hegel: The Rational is the Real and the Real is the Rational.
But, as I have hinted, I incline toward indolence, and now I must sleep awhile.
Nevertheless, Country First!
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Bobibutu Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:59:09pm |
re: #257 ContraJihadi
You may be right. Goethe wrote: In the Beginning was the Deed.
But this is not my intellectual heritage. I am with the Evangelist John: In the Beginning was the Word. And with Hegel: The Rational is the Real and the Real is the Rational.
But, as I have hinted, I incline toward indolence, and now I must sleep awhile.
Nevertheless, Country First!
RGR that!
Over and out.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:00:26am |
Peggy, you don't understand.
Who's sick of this commercial?
/proof of life?
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Dar ul Harb Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:55:43am |
re: #145 Gearhead
Biden is starting to sound a little like "Who am I and why am I here?"
Except that the V.P. candidate that made that phrase famous, Admiral James Stockdale, was a hero.
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J.S. Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:05:21am |
re: #244 rawmuse
That was written in 2005...but still a provocative look into what may lie ahead...(As I recall -- back to 2001 -- the United States was utterly unprepared. In part the academics (the pro-Islamist academics, the Edward Saids and their ilk and their infiltration onto universities spreading their pro-Islam messages) lulled America into thinking about "pacifist" Islam, etc. I also recall that the Millennium, going into the year 2000, was focused on non-issues (many so-called "scholars" wrote books about the upcoming Millennium -- one I read detailed the entire history of the world, from the Chinese empires, to Islam -- but not a single mention of "jihad" -- and the authors would downplay any "violence" within the Islamic world...a complete whitewash...to even broach the topic of "violence" within Islam would have been considered "racist.") Yet actual actions prior to Sept. 11, 2001 told me that there was something deeply amiss about "Islam" -- particularly when the Taliban blew up the Buddhist statues -- that was a warning bell -- to which, of course, the world immediately ignored (I recall listening to, again, westerners trying to come to terms with the violence of the Taliban -- and again, how much they wanted to maintain the fiction of a "pacifist" Islam -- it was actually funny -- the ones most anxious to spread the word about how peaceful Islam was -- were Christian white women...they were the biggest supporters of Islam.) Then on the days prior to 9/11 -- I recall -- there was that Racism Conference held in Durban, South Africa -- and all the antisemites from the United Nations were there -- and it was a feeding frenzy against the West, Israel, America and everything civilized -- yet our Canadian media -- the CBC -- chose to again whitewash the murderous hatred that was so evident. The CBC "journalists" chose to make excuses for murderous antisemites and exonerate them (in effect, blaming the victims.) Then the morning of Tuesday, Sept. 11 arrived...(I knew instantly that it was a war and I knew who the enemy was...and it's not just the Islamists -- it includes many, many others -- the enablers.) I still believe that if the United States wishes to become secure, something needs to be done with respect to securing borders (immigration issues also need to be addressed), perhaps have a National ID card with biometrics; close the borders; stop the infiltration, etc. Even though it may be a bit late, there's still time...
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rightwingprof Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:45:28am |
I watched the series and thought it could have had a big more meat (though the way it was organized was intriguing). Then, I have a degree in bioanthropology, so I wasn't the target audience.
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Ice-9 Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:45:13am |
Schools should teach both Creationism and Evolution. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. Don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.
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Charles Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:35:04pm |
re: #263 Ice-9
Schools should teach both Creationism and Evolution. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. Don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.
No, they should not. Creationism is not science, it's religion, and it should not be taught as science.
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Salamantis Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:55:38pm |
re: #263 Ice-9
Schools should teach both Creationism and Evolution. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. Don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.
Creationism is information-free; it is utterly comprised of religiously motivated, rhetorical and groundless attacks upon evolutionary theory, the only theory for which there exists empirical evidence - and mountains of it. It has nothing to teach that is appropriate for a public high school science class, any more than do astrology or alchemy.
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twons Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:17:12pm |
re: #88 Timbre
No, no, they'd go with the family down the street, through the courtesy of friends to meet. To feast on a side of wooly mammoth meat. !
PET PEEVE ALERT!
Garbled lyrics. Should be "...through the courtesy of Fred's two feet"
[Link: www.topthat.net...]
(Sorry, can't help it...)
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Yashmak Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:41:16pm |
Ice-9 said:
Schools should teach both Creationism and Evolution. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. Don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.
As long as they teach Creationism in a religion class, and not in a science classroom, I wouldn't have a problem with that. You see, there's no credible science aspect of Creationism, or its thinly veiled cousin, ID.
Healthy debate is indeed important, but there's no real debate about what is, and what is NOT science. Evolution is a thoroughly developed, tested, and scientifically supported theory, which can be further tested and proven or disproven. The fundamentals of Creationism and ID, relying as they do upon the existence of a supreme being whose existence CANNOT be proven or disproven, fail to meet the criteria required for a scientific theory.
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Ice-9 Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:59pm |
re: #264 Charles
No, they should not. Creationism is not science, it's religion, and it should not be taught as science.
re: #265 Salamantis
Creationism is information-free; it is utterly comprised of religiously motivated, rhetorical and groundless attacks upon evolutionary theory, the only theory for which there exists empirical evidence - and mountains of it. It has nothing to teach that is appropriate for a public high school science class, any more than do astrology or alchemy.
Oh, I quite agree. The quote in my earlier post was from Sarah Palin in 2006.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Jimmah Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:57:17pm |
re: #268 Ice-9
Well, it seems her thinking on this has changed for the better since she said that.
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Ice-9 Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:23:37pm |
re: #269 Jimmah
Well, it seems her thinking on this has changed for the better since she said that.
One might even say...evolved. But in two short years? That would be the best evidence of punctuated equilibrium that I've ever heard of.
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Charles Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:43:05pm |
re: #268 Ice-9
Oh, I quite agree. The quote in my earlier post was from Sarah Palin in 2006.
Sorry for the confusion.
And then she added:
... if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.
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Amillennialist Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:51:22am |
Would anyone claim that the code for this site appeared by only random, natural processes? The computer on which it runs?
We don't need "creation-based alternatives" taught, just the truth about Neo-Darwinian Evolutionary Theory.
We know that natural, random processes result in lateral speciation; Lenski's E. coli show that.
They also demonstrate that even after tens of thousands of generations, all you get is . . . E. coli, not newer, more complex genetic program, structure, and function.
Teach what we know is true:
-Life arises from only Life and Life's programs;-No program arises apart from a programmer;
-The living cell is a highly-complex, Von Neumann-type metabolic machine;
-No one has ever observed random, natural processes result in vertical speciation. In fact, as Salamantis admits, no one can observe it!
-Evolutionists are confusing similarity in form, function, and code for evidence of descent, an illogical and unscientific assumption since it is contradicted by what we can observe.
Lateral speciation by evolutionary processes we can observe. That is good Science.
Vertical speciation occurring by only random, natural processes? No one's observed that, ever.
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