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Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:45:00 pm PDT

Every action of our lives touches on some chord that will vibrate in eternity.

Edwin Hubbel Chapin

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1 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:47:09pm

Meanwhile in the Unspeakable Vault (of DOOM!)

[Link: www.macguff.fr...]

2 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:47:18pm

Nice, almost like music or string theory.

3 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:49:32pm

Interesting how the evolution thread wasn't really one. Unless you consider the discusions of politics a step upward.

/hmmm, maybe devolution of NObama's campaign

4 Meremortal  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:56:03pm

"Every action of our lives touches on some chord that will vibrate in eternity."

I'll take a C major 7 with a flatted 13th.

Just for tonight. Tomorrow will be different.

5 Clemente  Wed, Sep 10, 2008 11:57:01pm
Every action of our lives touches on some chord that will vibrate in eternity.

A dread prophecy, consid'ring some who'd touch, yet a blessing of others.

6 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:00:21am

Slow night today. Everyone link diving or something?

7 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:02:58am
Peggy, you don't understand . . .

Who's sick of this commercial?

/proof of life?

8 esch  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:04:08am

re: #6 BlueCanuck

Slow night today. Everyone link diving or something?

Um, yeah..yeah that's it. 8)

9 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:09:42am

re: #6 BlueCanuck

Slow night today. Everyone link diving or something?

It's morning, 9/11/2008.........there

10 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:11:56am
Every action of our lives touches on some chord that will vibrate in eternity.

Reminds me of another quote from a film on this subject:

Strange, isn't it? Each man's life touches so many other lives. When he isn't around he leaves an awful hole, doesn't he?

Way to earn those wings, Clarence.

11 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:12:55am

reminds me of
what we do in life , echoes in eternity
/maximus

12 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:15:20am

I hear Barbra Streisand is going to put on a fundraising concert for Obama. I compiled a list of appropriate song suggestions for her repertoire...

*The Party's Over
*Lipstick on your collar
*This Little Piggy
*Hit the Road, Barak
*Running on Empty (Suit)
*Lyin' Eyes
*Democrat is my Party and I'll Cry if I Want To
*He's So Vain
*Que Sera, Sarah
*Ticket To Ride (back to Chicago)
*What Kind of Fool am I (for choosing Biden)
*People are Strange (especially Obama supporters)
*He's a Candle in the Wind..(and here comes Hurricane Sarah)
*Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow (after I lose the election)
*It's Too Late Baby
*I Wanna Be Sedated (now that I lost the election)
*As Tears go By

13 Bosch Fawstin  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:16:43am
14 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:17:36am

wow, it sure is nice to see that Google has commemorated 9/11 on their front page yet again:

[Link: www.google.com...]

15 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:18:35am

Fuck Google.

16 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:19:54am

re: #14 JeremiahRight

You expect them to do that? When they do so little to commenorate veterans and heros?

17 RTLM  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:20:27am

re: #15 TheMatrix31

Fuck Google.

Indeed. In the nose, in the ear.

18 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:25:05am

re: #16 BlueCanuck

no, just wishful thinking. what do you expect from a multinational corporation with an office at the foot of the "palm jumeirah" in Dubai.

[Link: www.google.com...]

19 GoodBoy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:31:39am

Everything we do, all our decisions make a difference in who we are and how life turns out. We focus on the big things and try to control them when if we had simply paid more attention to the smaller every day things, life would be much smoother.
We miss those small details that could have made such a difference in the lives of others and ourselves. We tend to forget what an act of kindness could mean. We don't speak out when it's needed or more importantly, we don't hold our tongues when we should.
I fully believe we will be held accountable for all our actions and non-actions. Maybe that chord is going directly to God.

20 LotharBot  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:37:22am

As Jesus says, "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." (People overthink this and try to make it into a spiritual warfare thing, but it's really about what you treat as important.)

Or, as Knowdaverbs says it, "what you rock now, and how you rock now echoes in eternity."

21 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:41:18am

9-11

Seven years now, but it seems like yesterday until I think about it has changed my life. That evening I wrote:

"This is a war like no other. It will be a war of extermination, and it will continue until the last terrorist rat is driven from his hole and killed."

I have never deviated from that. I discovered Charles and LGF a few months later. I said to myself, "this is a guy who gets it."

I have been here ever since.

22 RTLM  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:48:00am

Mohamed Mostafa El-Baradei : "My work is done"

PIC

23 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:57:01am

re: #21 shiplord kirel

9-11

Seven years now, but it seems like yesterday until I think about it has changed my life. That evening I wrote:

"This is a war like no other. It will be a war of extermination, and it will continue until the last terrorist rat is driven from his hole and killed."

I have never deviated from that. I discovered Charles and LGF a few months later. I said to myself, "this is a guy who gets it."

I have been here ever since.

We can only hope that it is allowed to go until " the last terrorist rat is driven from his hole and killed." I think the moonbats will give up long before then.

24 RTLM  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:03:39am

As an American in my circumstance; there are two periods in my life. The period that was before 9/11 and the one after.

25 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:04:04am

Hello, night lizards!

Seems to me all the MSM is in denial and coverup mode on 0bambi. Yes, he blatently called his opponent a pig, and a stinking fish. Oh, he put a thin layer of deniability over it, but yes, he did it. Nothing wrong with it, either, but that's what he did. Having the press deny it, is a sick joke.

26 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:05:47am

re: #23 Badge of Kaffir Pride

We can only hope that it is allowed to go until " the last terrorist rat is driven from his hole and killed." I think the moonbats will give up long before then.

The moonbats gave up before the term was coined, before the rubble had stopped falling. It was their default position, the chance to bring back the glory days of the 60s. They own defeat and surrender in a profoundly personal sense. It isn't political to them, it is the very basis of their lifestyle and image and identity itself.

From the killing fields of Cambodia to the smoke of the World Trade Center, the pop-left subculture has blood on its hands. It will perish with the terrorists themselves.

Even on 9-11, many warned that it would be a very long war. It is not over yet and it won't be for many years, but I am in it for the long haul.

27 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:06:11am

9-11

Don't even get me going, in the middle of the night. Maybe later, when the sun is shining.

28 RTLM  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:10:41am

In memoriam:

Gordon McCannel Aamoth. Edelmiro (Ed) Abad. Maria Rose Abad. Andrew Anthony Abate. Vincent Abate. Laurence Christopher Abel. William F. Abrahamson. Richard Anthony Aceto. Erica Van Acker. Heinrich B. Ackermann. Paul Andrew Acquaviva. Christian Adams. Donald L. Adams. Patrick Adams. Shannon Lewis Adams. Stephen Adams. Ignatius Adanga. Christy A. Addamo. Terence E. Adderley. Sophia B. Addo. Lee Adler. Daniel Thomas Afflitto. Emmanuel Afuakwah. Alok Agarwal. Mukul Agarwala. Joseph Agnello. David Scott Agnes. Joao A.D. Aguiar. Lt. Brian G. Ahearn. Jeremiah J. Ahern. Joanne Ahladiotis. Shabbir Ahmed. Terrance Andre Aiken. Godwin Ajala. Gertrude M. Alagero. Andrew Alameno. Margaret Ann (Peggy) Jezycki Alario. Gary Albero. Jon L. Albert. Peter Craig Alderman. Jacquelyn Delaine Aldridge. Grace Alegre-Cua. David D. Alger. Ernest Alikakos. Edward L. Allegretto. Eric Allen. Joseph Ryan Allen. Richard Dennis Allen. Richard Lanard Allen. Christopher Edward Allingham. Anna Williams Allison. Janet M. Alonso. Anthony Alvarado. Antonio Javier Alvarez. Telmo Alvear. Cesar A. Alviar. Tariq Amanullah. Angelo Amaranto. James Amato. Joseph Amatuccio. Paul Ambrose. Christopher Charles Amoroso. Spc. Craig Amundson. Kazuhiro Anai. Calixto Anaya. Jorge Octavio Santos Anaya. Joseph Peter Anchundia. Kermit Charles Anderson. Yvette Anderson. John Andreacchio. Michael Rourke Andrews. Jean A. Andrucki. Siew-Nya Ang. Joseph Angelini. Joseph Angelini. David Angell. Lynn Angell. Laura Angilletta. Doreen J. Angrisani. Lorraine D. Antigua. Seima Aoyama. Peter Paul Apollo. Faustino Apostol. Frank Thomas Aquilino. Patrick Michael Aranyos. David Gregory Arce. Michael G. Arczynski. Louis Arena. Barbara Arestegui. Adam Arias. Michael J. Armstrong. Jack Charles Aron. Joshua Aron. Richard Avery Aronow. Myra Aronson. Japhet J. Aryee. Carl Asaro. Michael A. Asciak. Michael Edward Asher. Janice Ashley. Thomas J. Ashton. Manuel O. Asitimbay. Lt. Gregg Arthur Atlas. Gerald Atwood. James Audiffred. Kenneth W. Van Auken. Louis F. Aversano. Ezra Aviles. Alona Avraham. Ayodeji Awe. Samuel (Sandy) Ayala. ...



Read it all.

29 AK oilfield worker  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:10:45am

re: #22 RTLM

Mohamed Mostafa El-Baradei : "My work is done"

PIC

You mean Iran already has a nuke?

30 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:12:50am

re: #26 shiplord kirel

The moonbats gave up before the term was coined, before the rubble had stopped falling. It was their default position, the chance to bring back the glory days of the 60s. They own defeat and surrender in a profoundly personal sense. It isn't political to them, it is the very basis of their lifestyle and image and identity itself.

From the killing fields of Cambodia to the smoke of the World Trade Center, the pop-left subculture has blood on its hands. It will perish with the terrorists themselves.

Even on 9-11, many warned that it would be a very long war. It is not over yet and it won't be for many years, but I am in it for the long haul.

The definition of a long war to the left is one that lasts longer than an episode of MTV Cribs.

I don't think they realize that occasionally, to keep a civilization intact, some people have to die. Unfortunately, on both sides but more of those that wish to harm your nation/Western civilization.

Civilizations aren't murdered, they're killed by suicide... and the left has the gun in their mouth.

31 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:16:12am

re: #24 RTLM

As an American in my circumstance; there are two periods in my life. The period that was before 9/11 and the one after.

/COD4, take out your frustrations and be humbled the same time

32 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:17:39am

re: #30 Badge of Kaffir Pride

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
------Thomas Jefferson


That was a person who understood what he was building at the start of the United States of Americas great experiment. Unfortunately all the people on the left have forgotten that sacrifices have to be made for what they have. Lucky for them there are brave men and women willing to stand between the tyrants of the world and them. Well maybe not them, but you can't seperate them from the rest of the country right now.

33 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:19:28am

re: #32 BlueCanuck

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
------Thomas Jefferson


That was a person who understood what he was building at the start of the United States of Americas great experiment. Unfortunately all the people on the left have forgotten that sacrifices have to be made for what they have. Lucky for them there are brave men and women willing to stand between the tyrants of the world and them. Well maybe not them, but you can't seperate them from the rest of the country right now.

It's funny, ya know, that we're two Canucks on this board who are eager to see the Americans win this... but our own nation is so completely apathetic to our problems with HRCs, our necessary involvement in Afghanistan, etc.

34 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:23:47am

re: #24 RTLM

As an American in my circumstance; there are two periods in my life. The period that was before 9/11 and the one after.

I was already 51 on 9-11. I never dreamed that it would take me back to war at my age, but I decided then and there that I would go if I got the chance.
The chance came in 2005, as a contractor in Iraq, and I took it. I was a civilian this time, hired to survey pipelines, but I knew the situation and I wasn't kiddling myself. I had read CS Lewis during the year since my youthful excursion in Vietnam. I remembered something he wrote about his first experience of the trenches during World War I:
"This is war. This is what Homer wrote about."
And so it was.

35 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:24:23am

re: #33 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Well, there are more of us out there. Trust me, do you know that there is a waiting list to get into the Canadian Armed Forces? The last I heard the bare minimum to enlist was a college education. That's just for a rifleman. If Harper gets the majority he truly deserves, it will be interesting to see how the next 4-5 years go here in Canada.

36 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:27:40am

re: #21 shiplord kirel

my world changed on sept 11 as well TO BAD THE DEMOCRATS WORLD DID NOT CHANGE. the irony of it all is that NYC is the most blue of cities and the dems there are on full ignore.

37 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:28:01am

re: #35 BlueCanuck

Well, there are more of us out there. Trust me, do you know that there is a waiting list to get into the Canadian Armed Forces? The last I heard the bare minimum to enlist was a college education. That's just for a rifleman. If Harper gets the majority he truly deserves, it will be interesting to see how the next 4-5 years go here in Canada.

If I didn't have a blown ACL/LCL from Dunn's River Falls in Jamaica, I'd enlist especially if it meant the liberation of Afghanistan was where I'd be going. Harper, although maybe a little "cold" to most, is the leader the West needs to pair with McCain. Perhaps the stoutness of our continent can be rectified.

38 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:28:57am

re: #37 Badge of Kaffir Pride

If you don't mind me asking, which part of Canada are you in?

39 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:29:07am

re: #35 BlueCanuck

Well, there are more of us out there. Trust me, do you know that there is a waiting list to get into the Canadian Armed Forces? The last I heard the bare minimum to enlist was a college education. That's just for a rifleman. If Harper gets the majority he truly deserves, it will be interesting to see how the next 4-5 years go here in Canada.

It must be an endless and excruciating frustration to Canadian leftists that they can't shut down their own country's war effort this time, let alone that of the US.

40 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:30:14am
41 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:31:58am
42 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:33:17am

re: #38 BlueCanuck

If you don't mind me asking, which part of Canada are you in?

I'm in Alberta at the moment but born/raised in Ontario. My job (or taking new ones more accurately) has taken me all over Canada.

43 loveguru  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:33:18am

Good morning room..

From Europe after Big-Bang experiment

44 loveguru  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:33:41am

re: #41 ploome hineni

I am Global citizen :p

45 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:35:39am

re: #40 ploome hineni

He's a misogynistic asshole. And he's not going to dump biden for hillary- he hates women. He thinks this is a "phony outrage". Keep telling yourself that, barry. Please- insult the intelligence of the female electorate some more, asshole.

46 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:35:48am

re: #39 shiplord kirel

Too which I am thankful. Our military from the time of Trudeau *spit* was gutted, emasculated, and derided for years. It was even bad in high school. I remember one time in grade 9. I was returning from the Rememberance Day parade and I had to go to class. I was wearing my uniform in the halls when some moron see's me and gives me a nazi salute with the HH to go with it. I was livid. Not only did his friends laugh at it, none of them seemed to get the whole irony of the situation. It was enough to make me puke.

47 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:37:11am

re: #42 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Ah, a fellow Ontarian. I almost moved out west in 89, but I chickened out. Sometimes I wish I had, other times I am glad I stayed.

48 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:37:39am
49 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:37:46am

re: #28 RTLM

In memoriam:

Read it all.


I flew to NYC so I could be at the first reading of the names at the WTC.

The thing i remember the most is back then we as AMERICANS were still united it wasn't till the donks lost the 02 elections that the BDS started in ernest.

50 nemesis  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:39:08am

Welcome fellow matamoros. Today we remember what we lost and can never forget or forgive. The long war burns silently in the background and too many have forgotten the evil we fight. We are far from powerless even if we feel impotent. Our knowledge is power and yet we see now that we are living the the beginning of a new age of ignorance and darkness. This is not the silver future I wanted.

There will be a time when we will have to take the stage rather than being silent observers. We have learned much of the threat and have gained much knowledge. We understand the evil behind what happen on 9/11. We must not be afraid to use this knowledge. This is going to be a very long war and truth was the first victim. Nothing will be solved by just waiting for things to change. - Ozymandias

51 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:39:45am

re: #40 ploome hineni

Which is why, taken in context of the whole election so far, it's quite obvious that Obama meant to slam Palin.

This has been quite the eye-opener for me. It appears that everyone's fear of appearing racist doesn't extend to avoiding looking like a misogynist. Even on FOX yesterday they kept asking MEN if they thought Obama intended to call Palin a pig.

/Hell-ll-ll-ooooooooo?

52 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:40:35am
“Palin is a shallow, chirpy person with those vaguely alarming eyeglasses. Now her fans all want a pair. Remember back when women wore glasses that departed their ears in plastic swoops and swirls? My theory is, anyone who wears glasses that look weird is telling me something I don’t want to know.

I trust the American people will see through Palin’s facade, and save the Republic in November. The most damning indictment against her is that she considered herself a good choice to be a heartbeat away. That shows bad judgment.”

Who knew roger ebert was such a dick?

53 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:40:52am

Woke up thinking about 9-11. Lost nearly 300 colleagues that day, including Laura Longing who had only been back to work about 2 weeks following a maternity leave. Came into the office that morning and heard that a plane had hit the World Trade Towers and I immediately dialed 212 312 .... to talk to our NY sales leader but no answer. A scary, horrible day that changed me forever.

54 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:41:42am

re: #48 ploome hineni

look at this

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Hypocrisy from the left doesn't surprise me, but the media should truly be ashamed of themselves.

55 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:41:53am

re: #52 Sharmuta

To be honest, I never trusted or believed his movie reviews at all. Did you see about the movie he co-wrote back in the 70's? :D

56 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:42:13am

re: #53 jill e

{jill}

57 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:42:18am

re: #47 BlueCanuck

Ah, a fellow Ontarian. I almost moved out west in 89, but I chickened out. Sometimes I wish I had, other times I am glad I stayed.

I only moved to take a job that, upon further reflection, I probably shouldn't have. Now I'm stuck here for the time being.

I always thought that Alberta was the last bastion of Conservative thought in Canada. It seems as though all of them wish to vote 0Bama for some reason.

58 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:42:49am

{jill e}

Oy.

59 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:43:43am

re: #52 Sharmuta

Who knew roger ebert was such a dick?

I knew it can't stand his movie reviews i found offen if he loved a movie i would hate it.

60 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:45:03am
61 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:46:35am
62 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:46:43am

re: #7 Killian Bundy

Who's sick of this commercial?

/proof of life?

This is a perfect example of why I love this site - great minds think alike!

I am absolutely, completely, nauseatedly sick of that ad! I went so far as to google the woman, and sure enough, she's still around. Unfortunately, everyone I've known with pancreatic cancer didn't make it....

63 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:47:36am

From Redeemed by Heather King:

The operator tried to calm her down, but a few minutes later, Doi panicked: ‘I’m gong to die, aren’t I?’ she asked. ‘No no no,’ the operator replied. ‘I’m going to die,’ Doi repeated. ‘Say your prayers,’ the operator advised. ‘Oh God, it’s so hot. I’m burning up,’ Doi replied. Several minutes later, the line on her end went silent. And here’s the thing, really, in a way — one of the very few things we have to hold onto: the operator continued to speak to her for another 20 minutes, ’soothingly, according to the Los Angeles Times article, ‘repeating Doi’s name over and over, calling her ‘dear.’

64 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:48:28am

re: #46 BlueCanuck

Too which I am thankful. Our military from the time of Trudeau *spit* was gutted, emasculated, and derided for years. It was even bad in high school. I remember one time in grade 9. I was returning from the Rememberance Day parade and I had to go to class. I was wearing my uniform in the halls when some moron see's me and gives me a nazi salute with the HH to go with it. I was livid. Not only did his friends laugh at it, none of them seemed to get the whole irony of the situation. It was enough to make me puke.


Juno Beach

Pop-lefties are worse than vermin. They revel in ignorance, lies, and violence, inciting the terrorists and dictators but taking none of the risk.

65 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:49:03am
66 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:49:16am

re: #6 BlueCanuck

Slow night today. Everyone link diving or something?

Hey, Blue. Actually I went stair-diving last week (as in tumbled down my staircase) and ended up with an orbital blowout fracture. Got it fixed Wednesday morning.

/hooray for pain pills.

67 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:49:19am

'Night, ploomie.

/sigh

68 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:50:36am

re: #66 TnTx13

Ouch! Glad that you're okay now. Good to see you.

69 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:52:02am

re: #68 BlueCanuck

Thanks! I still look like a purple-eyed raccoon, but I can almost see straight :)

70 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:52:50am

Tribute page for Laura Longing:
[Link: memorial.mmc.com...]


Back to bed to try to sleep!

71 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:55:36am

re: #60 ploome hineni

Iam sureyou realize, here


he is alluding to menses

or PMS

72 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:55:37am

re: #66 TnTx13

Hey, Blue. Actually I went stair-diving last week (as in tumbled down my staircase) and ended up with an orbital blowout fracture. Got it fixed Wednesday morning.

/hooray for pain pills.

Orbital as in eye? Oh, dude, that's harsh. Hooray for pain pills for sure.

73 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:56:33am
74 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:58:16am

As our Canadian friends demonstrate every day, we are not alone in this war.
We were not alone in Vietnam, either, lefty propaganda notwithstanding.

Take a moment:

Last missing soldier identified

ALMOST 39 years after he was killed in the Vietnam war, Private David Fisher - the last of Australia's missing soldiers - will return home.

The Federal Government says the remains of the Special Air Service Regiment trooper, recovered in southern Vietnam last month, have been officially identified.

Pte Fisher was the last of the missing army personnel to be found in Vietnam, following the recovery of the remains of three others last year.

There are still two members of the air force - Flying Officer Michael Herbert and Pilot Officer Robert Carver - who are unaccounted for.

75 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening everyone™

Fruitcup -------------------------->

76 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:00:34am

re: #75 littleoldlady

Ah fruitcup to go with the discussions. Thanks littleoldlady.

77 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:01:40am

9/11/01-9/11/08: Never Forget

78 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:02:08am

BlueCanuck! :-)

79 RTLM  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:02:40am

re: #34 shiplord kirel

I was already 51 on 9-11. I never dreamed that it would take me back to war at my age, but I decided then and there that I would go if I got the chance.
The chance came in 2005, as a contractor in Iraq, and I took it. I was a civilian this time, hired to survey pipelines, but I knew the situation and I wasn't kiddling myself. I had read CS Lewis during the year since my youthful excursion in Vietnam. I remembered something he wrote about his first experience of the trenches during World War I:
"This is war. This is what Homer wrote about."
And so it was.

Good Man.

80 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:04:43am

re: #62 TnTx13

This is a perfect example of why I love this site - great minds think alike!

I am absolutely, completely, nauseatedly sick of that ad! I went so far as to google the woman, and sure enough, she's still around. Unfortunately, everyone I've known with pancreatic cancer didn't make it....

If you survive pancreatic cancer you're lucky beyond belief.

/sick of Peggy, give it a rest

81 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:04:54am

re: #72 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Orbital as in eye? Oh, dude, that's harsh. Hooray for pain pills for sure.

Actually, it's dude-ette! ;) And yes, it was the orbital bone just under my left eye, and one of the eye muscles got trapped in the fracture - that's why I had to have surgery.

Almost time for the next pill!

82 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:04:57am

re: #74 shiplord kirel

As our Canadian friends demonstrate every day, we are not alone in this war.
We were not alone in Vietnam, either, lefty propaganda notwithstanding.

Take a moment:

Last missing soldier identified

Unfortunately, for the most part, you are alone in this. The mere scattering of the soldiers from Europe is just conscience massaging by their leaders, IMHO. "Look, we sent some troops in! Buy our goods!"

83 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:05:50am

re: #75 littleoldlady

Thanks for the fruitcup, {lol}.

84 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:06:47am

re: #81 TnTx13

Actually, it's dude-ette! ;) And yes, it was the orbital bone just under my left eye, and one of the eye muscles got trapped in the fracture - that's why I had to have surgery.

Almost time for the next pill!

Dude, dude-ette, chick... it's all the same. Chick doesn't have to necessarily be derogatory, though. :)

That's hardcore surgery. Many thoughts with you 'cause that's just nasty. I hope those are really good pills: Percocets, Demorals, etc.

85 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:07:08am

re: #79 RTLM

Good Man.

Many thanks. Btw, "year" should read "years" in my original post (35 years in fact).

86 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:07:09am

re: #75 littleoldlady

I'm having my fruitcup laced with Vicodin! Tasty...

87 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:07:34am

re: #74 shiplord kirel

On this special day, I find myself at a loss for words, other than to say you are on roll, and to give dings.

88 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:07:40am

re: #75 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening everyone™

Fruitcup -------------------------->

My first fruitcup!

/Shame I had two Chunky Chips Ahoy after two red plums. Spoiled the fruitcup. :(

89 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:11:27am

Sharmuta! :-)

re: #86 TnTx13

I'm having my fruitcup laced with Vicodin! Tasty...

Some people have all the luck! ;-)

{TnTx13} ! Sorry you had to go through all that. In my family we're world class klutzes, so I sympathize!

Badge of Kaffir Pride! :-)

Hello, newbie! :-)

90 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:12:32am

re: #89 littleoldlady


Badge of Kaffir Pride! :-)

Hello, newbie! :-)

Morning! Every time I lurk on here, I miss fruitcup time.

91 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:12:35am

Good thing the Grammar Police aren't here.

/got coffee?

92 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:13:17am

re: #84 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Dude, dude-ette, chick... it's all the same. Chick doesn't have to necessarily be derogatory, though. :)

That's hardcore surgery. Many thoughts with you 'cause that's just nasty. I hope those are really good pills: Percocets, Demorals, etc.

Oh, yes - hydrocodone i.e. Vicodin. And they gave me a bigger dose than the ER gave me last week. Fortunately the surgery wasn't too bad - an oral surgeon did it in his office operating suite. Apparently different types of surgeons do this work in different parts of the country - here it's the oral and maxillofacial surgeons who do it. And they use some really strong happy juice so I really don't remember much - except spouting some really strange gibberish on the way home!

Speaking of dudes, one of the coolest things about Palin and everything around her nomination is the "First Dude." And that seems to be what everyone in Alaska REALLY calls him!

93 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:13:29am

re: #91 littleoldlady

Good thing the Grammar Police aren't here.

/got coffee?

Heehee. Click my avatar.

94 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:15:48am

re: #92 TnTx13

Oh, yes - hydrocodone i.e. Vicodin. And they gave me a bigger dose than the ER gave me last week. Fortunately the surgery wasn't too bad - an oral surgeon did it in his office operating suite. Apparently different types of surgeons do this work in different parts of the country - here it's the oral and maxillofacial surgeons who do it. And they use some really strong happy juice so I really don't remember much - except spouting some really strange gibberish on the way home!

Speaking of dudes, one of the coolest things about Palin and everything around her nomination is the "First Dude." And that seems to be what everyone in Alaska REALLY calls him!

I hope beyond all hope that the investigation into her alleged misuse of authority is nothing. I would hate to have that hang over the head of a true hero's campaign.

95 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:18:34am

re: #94 Badge of Kaffir Pride

I hope beyond all hope that the investigation into her alleged misuse of authority is nothing. I would hate to have that hang over the head of a true hero's campaign.

Is that the state trooper thing? From the little I've heard, it sounds fairly minor, but I'm with you - we need McCain and Palin in the White House!

96 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:19:21am

re: #93 Sharmuta

Heehee. Click my avatar.

HA! You go girl! :-)

97 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:19:48am

re: #94 Badge of Kaffir Pride

I hope beyond all hope that the investigation into her alleged misuse of authority is nothing. I would hate to have that hang over the head of a true hero's campaign.

I think that the media, leftists are all grabbing at straws. The allegations and associations that NObama has are far, far worse. And he's going for the big prize. All they have to do is keep putting him in front of a make and he will bury himself by election day. I have never heard so many gaffes from one man in such a short time frame.

98 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:20:06am

re: #89 littleoldlady


Some people have all the luck! ;-)

{TnTx13} ! Sorry you had to go through all that. In my family we're world class klutzes, so I sympathize!

Thanks, LoL! Your family and mine! I really can't say this is the first time I've fallen and had a boo-boo, but this is definitely the worst!

99 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:20:34am

re: #94 Badge of Kaffir Pride

I hope beyond all hope that the investigation into her alleged misuse of authority is nothing. I would hate to have that hang over the head of a true hero's campaign.

It is nothing. She was well within her right to fire the boss of a bad trooper who did nothing about abuse of power under his watch.

Also- could you imagine how it would be spun otherwise? That Governor Palin didn't care about abuses going on within the Trooper department? That would be worse frankly. Why a drunken child abuser got to keep his job is beyond me.

100 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:20:36am

Peggy alert on Fox News....

/makes you wish for Head-On ads, doesn't it?

101 RTLM  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:20:36am

How is Miguel?

102 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:20:37am

re: #95 TnTx13

Is that the state trooper thing? From the little I've heard, it sounds fairly minor, but I'm with you - we need McCain and Palin in the White House!

Yup, that's the one. The reports are conflicting but I'm hoping/cheering for her. If someone has chosen to tase their 10 year old stepson, they deserve to have the taser connected.... elsewhere.

Night all. Good to see some folks kicking around here at this time of day.

103 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:21:39am

re: #102 Badge of Kaffir Pride

G'night to you, too! Weet dreams...

104 JonathanD  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:21:53am

LGF's remembrance of Johnny Heff of the Bullys (rocker, comic, and WTC fireman) on the anniversary of his passing

Charles, thanks for introducing me and so many others to that gruff but kind soul

105 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:23:59am

re: #102 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Night, sleep well and weet dreams.

106 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:24:21am

re: #99 Sharmuta

My two cents on the Sarah Palin 'troopergate' scandal: If its corruption to pressure a political appointee who serves at the pleasure of Governor to fire a state trooper who used a taser on a 10 year old boy, drank beer while driving a patrol car, and threatened to kill his father in law, then I think we need a lot more 'corruption'.

107 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:25:33am

RTLM! :-)

I stopped my daily emails to him.

/figured I might make his mailbox explode. :-(

I'm hoping he's away in rehab or something and that we'll hear from him SOON.

/praying....

108 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:26:20am

re: #100 TnTx13

Peggy alert on Fox News....

/makes you wish for Head-On ads, doesn't it?

/Piper Gel

109 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:26:48am

THE PALINS are the closest to normal folks running in this election.
Mr Palin is the only spouse who gets his hands dirty on the job, he had a well paying blue collar job but it was still a blue collar job

HE IS CLEARLY ONE OF US WE GET IT.

110 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:27:55am

re: #87 MrPaulRevere

On this special day, I find myself at a loss for words, other than to say you are on roll, and to give dings.

Many thanks again, Paul.

Remembering the date has got me stirred up.

Everyone who was alive in this country remembers what it was like.

I had worked late and was still at home with no tv or computer turned on. My daughter called from Chicago. She was working in the Sears tower at the time. She asked me if I had seen the news about a plane hitting the WTC in New York. I said, "Huh?" She explained and I turned on the TV just in time to see the second plane hit.
She saw it too on their office TV. I will never forget her next words. She said, calmly and with no hesitation at all, "Daddy, this is not an accident." I told her, no, it wasn't; and for her to get out of the building and out of the Loop as quickly as possible. Her boss came in about that time and announced an evacuation. It was a very bad moment, since nobody knew at that point whether there were two attackers or two hundred, and I thought every tall building in the country might be a target.

111 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:28:26am

yochanan! :-)

Yup.

112 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:28:27am

re: #106 MrPaulRevere

I agree- and according to the guy she fired- it wasn't her that applied the alleged pressure. It's much ado about nothing.

113 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:31:23am

I encourage all the newbies to visit the Never Forget section in the upper left margin. Tillie's Story, in particular.

114 RTLM  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:31:40am

In other news: Australian minister resigns over semi-naked dance

SYDNEY, Australia (AP) - An Australian state government minister was forced to quit following reports that he danced in his underwear at a parliamentary office party, the state premier said Thursday. SYDNEY, Australia (AP) - An Australian state government minister was forced to quit following reports that he danced in his underwear at a parliamentary office party, the state premier said Thursday.

Video soon...

115 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:32:00am

re: #108 Killian Bundy

/Piper Gel

ROFL! I saw that at the end of Special Report a couple of days ago - it's hysterical! Especially when the guy comes in at the end, cut from the real ad....

116 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:34:32am

Good morning, Lizards.

Today is the anniversary of the day almost 3000 people died and our eyes were opened to an insidious enemy that cannot be tolerated because it exists only to destroy us.

Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted.

117 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:36:45am

re: #116 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Today is the anniversary of the day almost 3000 people died and our eyes were opened to an insidious enemy that cannot be tolerated because it exists only to destroy us.

Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted.

Amen.

118 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:36:46am

REMEMBER if you mention 9-11 to a obamaton THEIR FIRST WORDS WILL BE FEAR MONGERING

119 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:37:26am

re: #116 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning goddess. A lot of eyes were opened that day. Unfortunately some people chose to hit the snooze alarm.

120 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:38:08am

I vividly remember my answering machine going off several times (I work nights and sleep late) until I got fed up and I grabbed the phone and asked little brother "what the hell do you want" ? He said turn on the TV. I was horrified as I saw one of the buildings fall as I knew hundreds of people had just died. We owe it to future generations to pass on our memories, and never, ever forget our outrage and righteous anger.

121 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:38:48am

'Morning, goddess.

122 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:40:32am

I'm going to save my thoughts on 9/11 for now, and I hope you all don't mind.

But my thoughts and prayers are with the families today.

123 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:42:02am

Hehe

I was just looking up some of my past 9-11 comments and happened to run across this one from September 10, 2004, the day after the now-legendary throbbing memo had made its first appearance:

Lyndon Johnson, 1968: "If we've lost Cronkite, we've lost the war."

George W. Bush, 2004: "If we've lost Rather, who gives a shit?"

The establishment media have already lost this battle, just having their word challenged in public is a huge setback for them.

124 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:47:19am

re: #122 Sharmuta

I'm going to save my thoughts on 9/11 for now, and I hope you all don't mind.

But my thoughts and prayers are with the families today.

Me, too.

I have to go try and fix this computer. BBL.

{LGF!}

125 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:48:19am

Hope to see you before I go littleoldlady. May your computer be okay in the days to come.

126 RTLM  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:50:07am

Ed MaCaffery of the Denver Broncos broke is leg in 9/10/01. MNF.

vs the NY Giants.

Whom we spanked.

127 moe katz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:55:11am

"On That Day" - Leonard Cohen

Some people say
It's what we deserve
For sins against g-d
For crimes in the world
I wouldn't know
I'm just holding the fort
Since that day
They wounded New York
Some people say
They hate us of old
Our women unveiled
Our slaves and our gold
I wouldn't know
I'm just holding the fort
But answer me this
I won't take you to court
Did you go crazy
Or did you report
On that day
On that day
They wounded New York

128 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 2:55:51am
Hide from the public eye, choose to appear when it suits you
Claim you're just, killing women and children
Fight, when you choose to fight, hide in a cave when you're hunted
Like a beast spawned from hell, utilizing fear

Chosen by god or a coward insane?
Stand up and show me your face!

Suicidal, in a trance
A religious army
Fight without a uniform and hide in the crowd
Call it holy, call it just
Authorized by heaven
Leave your wounded as they die, and call it gods will

Run when its time to pay, fear consequence of your action
Reappear, when you're almost forgotten
Dream of a world in peace, yet you cause pain and destruction
Kill your own, a response of your actions

Captured in all you lies, fear is in your eyes
Creature who's gone insane, your war is in vain
Trapped in a cage of stone, we'll destroy your home
Consequence of your action

-Sabaton, In the name of god, 2006

129 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:01:38am

This is a creepy thread to wake up to in the middle of the night.
And I have to catch a plane in 4 hours.
How are all the fine lizards today?

130 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:06:24am

{luckygirl}

It's a solemn day.

131 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:06:58am

The seldom heard second and third verses of the Battle Hymn of the Republic:

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
His day is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnish`d rows of steel,
"As ye deal with my contemners, So with you my grace shall deal;"
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel
Since God is marching on.

I am in fact agnostic, but this glorious song perfectly summarizes the righteousness and justice of our cause, and the steadfastness that will bring final victory.

I am heartsick at the killing and the grief, but let it continue until the last terrorist is dragged from his hole and killed; and until the last traitor is sentenced, and the last enabler reduced to poverty and disgrace.

132 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:07:06am

Good morning, Lizards.

We were discussing at work where we were seven years ago today and memories were flooding back. It was was last year of high school and I remember everyone saying the world was radically changed and changed forever. I thought to myself "This is horrendously bad, but could this change the world forever- no way." How wrong I was.

133 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:10:13am

THIS BRINGS BACK SOME OF THE SADNESS I think that is a good thing

I DON'T WANT TO FORGET

134 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:12:18am

I was in Atlanta working. My client rushed in and said "A plane just flew into the Twin Towers!." I blew him off (thinking of the earlier attempt... thinking it was a little plane ... perhaps a stupid accident...). When he returned, saying that a second plane had hit the towers, I felt a horrid chill and KNEW that we were under attack.

135 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:13:49am

Good morning everyone. My heart still aches and the images are still fresh in my mind. Just want to sit with you all for a while...

136 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:14:02am

re: #131 shiplord kirel

I am an atheist and I abhor the killings and their monotheistic (insane and unevolved) motive behind them.

137 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:15:08am

re: #131 shiplord kirel

Normally, although it is a great song, I don't sing the Union Anthem. But today I am a Yank. Always I am an American.

138 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:16:11am

re: #134 luckygirl

I blew him off (thinking of the earlier attempt... thinking it was a little plane ... perhaps a stupid accident...). blockquote>

Wow... same here. A kid was last for the first class and he told us a little plane flew into the WTC. We joked about how stupid the pilot was the whole class. I then had to take something to the journalism class and they were watching the news in there. I just stood at the door and forgot why I had even gone to the class.

139 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:17:24am
140 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:18:13am

re: #139 goddessoftheclassroom

Chris Muir gets it


Beautiful...

141 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:18:36am

re: #139 goddessoftheclassroom

Chris Muir gets it

That's amazing.

142 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:19:40am

I woke up late (night shift), flipped on the news and began to make coffee.

Oh some plane hit a building in NYC in clear weather—probably some tourist looking instead of flying, I thought. Remembered that a B-25 did the same thing in WW II.

Didn't pay it too much attention.

Then there was a second plane...

Then my thought was, "Oh my G-d, we're at war."

I don't remember if I ever got the coffee made.

143 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:21:49am

re: #138 NC State of Mind

I was working a convention. We were in charge of multiple video kiosks. My client was "fighting" changing the video feed to the news coverage of the event "because attendees had paid to have commercials air on the kiosks." I had to get in his face and ... using a LOT of profanity.... tell him to "Change the ***** feeds to the *** news! Nobody cares a **** about the **** commercials at this time! You *************************!"

I finally got through.

144 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:22:58am

I did not have a t.v. back in those days (my wife being a frum jew) so i was going shopping at the drug store and when i went into the store I noticed they had a t.v. on it was after the first plane hit and i was watching the news coverage of that when the second plane hit live IT TOTALLY CHANGE ME I still cry when i think about it as I am doing right now.

I ♥ AMERICA
I really don't get the HATE AMERICA CROWD

this jew gets that AMERICA is different my people have been murdered all over the world BUT NOT IN AMERICA

145 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:23:52am

re: #140 scottishbuzzsaw

That hurts. And makes me angry.

146 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:24:00am

re: #133 yochanan

I don't want to forget either. Ever.

147 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:27:55am

re: #144 yochanan

I remember that Israel actually mourned in the streets on that day.... for us. The palestinians (lack of capitalization intentional...) celebrated.
I know who my friends are.
Thank you.

148 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:28:26am

re: #143 luckygirl

For your sanity, I sure hope you made a lot of money off of that guy.

149 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:28:41am

Remembering:

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]

150 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:32:59am

I posted this on the previous thread as well.

I was up at my dads in Ottawa having breakfast listening to the radio. heard about the first plane crash, and turned on the t.v. for the second one. Spent the rest of the morning and afternoon on the couch curled up in a comforter because I was so cold. It was a beautiful day too, temperature wise.


Here's the funny thing. Back in 93 I was up north in Sudbury on a mini vacation with my youngest brother when the first bombing happened. Both times were the only real vacations I had in a long time. Made me a little gun shy about taking time off. Didn't want anything else bad happen.

/I felt cursed

151 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:33:42am

Short version of my 9/11/01- I voted.

152 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:33:48am

re: #148 NC State of Mind

Believe it or not he was a Jew and didn't "get it". But that had nothing to do with how stupid and materialistic he was. I repeat NOTHING! This client was just horrid through and through. To him being a Jew was buying Hanakkah presents and being a citizen of the USA meant buying expensive cars and Christmas presents. He was an empty suit and I no longer work with him. (He also cheated on his wife.... aka the source of the major portion of his income.... extensively. I would not be surprised if she had left him ... and left him in poverty... since then.) Vent over.

153 unclassifiable  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:34:20am

I lost a few friends because of 9/11.

Oh their still here but we don't talk anymore.

Every time the conversation turned to politics I became their surrogate GW Bush.

And I stood in for it for a while. But eventually it just got nasty.

I was a racist, loon, retard, dolt, sycophant, ass kisser, and several epithets that are a little personal to repeat.

I had warned them at the outset that the war on terror was not a war in the old sense -- it was going to be a long multi-pronged campaign. I also said we were going to see who are friends and enemies really were. Man did I sure did find that out on a personal level.

One day people will not remember this date.

It's the natural progression of things I suppose.

Here's hoping the reason we forget is because we vanquished evil and not because we sucumbed to it.

BTW. Best wishes for all of the Houston Area Lizards, their friends, and their loved ones.

Take Care Y'all

154 Tigger2005  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:36:03am

re: #23 Badge of Kaffir Pride

We can only hope that it is allowed to go until " the last terrorist rat is driven from his hole and killed." I think the moonbats will give up long before then.

Oh, the moonbats gave up 5 years ago and are now actively aiding the enemy. Didn't you get the memo?

155 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:39:38am

It was the most perfect late summer morning here in the Northeast.Brilliant clear sky,dry and warm.A friend from 50 miles downstate called and told me to turn on the tv.I could not stand the thought of being alone all day and jumped into my car to drive to his house.We watched in silence, numbed by the atrocity.My first emotion was anger, and it is what I continue to feel. Especially when reading surveys of people blaming the USA, Israel, and "unknown" for the attacks.

156 rightwinger3  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:40:33am

re: #128 David IV of Georgia

Great Song! I love Sabaton especially this and Primo Victoria

157 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:40:55am

re: #149 scottishbuzzsaw

You know... I never saw them. I always put off going... "too busy, it's too cold... too broke...etc." After 9/11 I immediately bought a ticket and went.

I had a friend there (whose company had an office in the first tower... I couldn't reach him for over a week...) that I stayed with. I told him that I didn't need to see Ground Zero. I told him that I "knew" what happened there and that I didn't need to be a "lookie loo". After dinner one evening ... nice dinner... Italian, wine, after dinner cordials... etc.... He decided that I needed to see it. Without telling/warning me we took a cab and popped out at Ground Zero. It was still on fire and there was the awful smell... and the thousands of photos and flowers and memorials. I bawled my eyes out (and subsequently HAD to wear sunglasses the entire next day...) and HAVE NEVER AND NEVER WILL FORGET IT!

158 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:41:04am

re: #154 Tigger2005

Oh, the moonbats gave up 5 years ago and are now actively aiding the enemy. Didn't you get the memo?

Someone posted yesterday that 36% of Americans believe the US orchestrated the attacks. Just a few years ago the MSM went ballistic when it was reported 35% of French citizens were truthers. Insane how far we've come.

159 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:45:40am

re: #158 NC State of Mind

36%?! *expletives, multiple expletives, deleted*

160 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:46:41am

re: #153 unclassifiable

I hear you dear! I actually took on an Irish lad that I overheard (at a communal table) saying... "These Americans just have to get over it! We deal with the IRA all the time...." I "calmly" lashed out telling him that "We don't deal with terrorism all the time ... and that the last time we were attacked on our soil was about 60 years ago ... and when did a silly molitov cocktail take out nearly 3,000 people?" This was 2 days after the attack.

He shut the f*** up. As he should have. I hate to think what I would have done had he "submitted more input".

161 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:48:07am

re: #153 unclassifiable

Not true friends. No loss. You know who your real friends are now. :)

162 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:51:50am

I still don't know how Barack H. Obama can be touting his superior judgment after picking Joe Biden as a running mate?

163 moe katz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:52:16am

re: #158 NC State of Mind

Someone posted yesterday that 36% of Americans believe the US orchestrated the attacks.

Now I wonder which presidential ticket those 36% are going to support....

164 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:55:08am

re: #162 DesertSage

I still don't know how Barack H. Obama can be touting his superior judgment after picking Joe Biden as a running mate?

Even joe biden is questioning that call.

165 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:56:15am

re: #162 DesertSage

LOL! Even Joe Biden has questioned his judgment! Have you hear the audio clip? It is hilarious! HE (Biden) even suggested that Hillary was the wisest choice!

166 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:58:04am

IT ALWAYS BRINGS TEARS TO ME
i hope i don't see a troother today if i do you might have to collect bail money for me.

167 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:01:42am

re: #163 moe katz

Now I wonder which presidential ticket those 36% are going to support....

Ron Paul? :)

168 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:03:18am

re: #166 yochanan

My wallet is open to you dear friend!

169 Roentgen  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:04:06am
170 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:04:08am

re: #166 yochanan

Do you reside here or in Israel?

171 Roentgen  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:06:19am

re: #169 Roentgen

Morning Lizards!
This DVD came free in my morning paper today. It's happening in a number of cities around the country.
I'll watch it later.

It may be a shortened version or preview. I haven't has time to watch it yet.

172 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:06:58am

re: #165 luckygirl

LOL! Even Joe Biden has questioned his judgment! Have you hear the audio clip? It is hilarious! HE (Biden) even suggested that Hillary was the wisest choice!

Obama just got biden in the ass by his numba one man.

“For some white, working-class voters who don’t want to vote for Barack Obama but weren’t sure about McCain, Palin gave them a good reason to take another look and consider supporting McCain,” Rosenthal said.
“On the one hand, it could be a temporary reshuffling of the deck,” he added. “And on the other hand, it underscores the deep-seated problems we have in this race

with race, class and culture

.


So,
If I don't vote for Messiaobama I don't have any class, culture and will use the race card?
REDNECKS FOR McCain.

173 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:07:02am

re: #169 Roentgen

Thanks... I will watch it later. Have to fly today! Into a hurricane AND on 9/11. Gonna start the bloody marys (maries?) early. Sigh. More afraid of the hurricane. THANKS TO GEORGE W. BUSH! :) I wish he had a email address for his supporters!

174 JSK1121  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:08:05am

Never Forget.

175 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:09:34am

re: #173 luckygirl

Try the White House home page. There might be a contact address there.

/too lazy to look it up.

176 Roentgen  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:11:00am

re: #173 luckygirl

Safe travels to you!

177 AlanUK  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:13:17am

It's midday on 9/11 in the UK.

I didn't loose anyone that day but a close family friend (an Aussie) was due to have a meeting near the top floor but it was re-arranged for below the point of impact.

He lived. Many, many citizens of the USA, UK and many other countries did not. He now lives way out in the hills of North Carolina, with his lovely family.

Deep respects to those who were not so lucky - especially those who knowingly put their lives at risk like the firemen.

We have a medal in the UK for Air Force personnel which is labeled "for courage". Bravery is going in regardless. To me, courage is thinking about it, knowing the risk, counting the cost and going in anyway. A lot of people deserve that medal on 9/11.

My thoughts are with you.

P.S. Distinguished Flying Medal:

The reverse shows Athena Nike seated on an aeroplane, a hawk rising from her right arm above the words FOR COURAGE, all within a laurel wreath. A bomb is attached to the clasp and ribbon by two wings.

178 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:14:07am

re: #172 ibmkeyboard

I could care less about race and gender. Culture is a bit of an issue if there is a proven record of pressing an agenda based on that "culture". I don't see that as an issue with McCain/Palin. I am an atheist and pro-choice. I don't feel threatened by this ticket. I am also a capitalist. I DO feel threatened by the Obama/Oatmeal ticket.

179 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:15:18am

Okay, I wasn't that lazy. Here's a contact page where you can send e-mails from. Has some basic rules on what to do.

180 sparrowlake  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:16:04am

re: #152 luckygirl

Believe it or not he was a Jew and didn't "get it".

?

181 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:17:36am

Me?

I was correcting homework at 1130 Bangkok time when a crypto-Islamist Brit friend (Irish mom, Paki dad) called, VERY EXCITED, saying "You GOTTA turn the TV on, NOW!"

So I did, and puzzled a few minutes over what's happening, then gasped as plane Two hit!

A LONG night for me, and I went to school with a black armband on the next morning...

182 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:18:26am

Troofers sorely test my commitment to the First Amendment. They should pray to Cthulhu or Satan or whomever they worship that I don't wake up some morning and find myself appointed dictator.

183 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:20:01am

re: #179 BlueCanuck

Know something? I used to work atop a mountain on the Korean DMZ, and we had a TELETYPE (1965) that could, within seconds, open communication channels DIRECTLY to the basement of the White House!

We only had to use it about 7 times between 65 and 68...

184 mattm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:22:06am

Never forget.

185 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:22:37am

re: #177 AlanUK

I hope this isn't offensive cousin. I just have to give a chuckle over the liberal response to the subway/train bombs in the UK (here in the USA) that said "We are all British today..." and were all solemn.... and lighting candles.... And the UK response was "*explicitive* .... Business as usual!" You guys "over there" are as brave as anyone gets! I love you and will stand shoulder to shoulder with you any day!

(God... I am up at 4AM ... and super glad that I re-read and edited my first draft of this so I potentially sound like less of a drunken ass****.)

186 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:23:15am
187 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:24:04am

re: #179 BlueCanuck

You rock!
(Luckygirl blames the wine for that lame phrasing of a complimentary sentiment)

188 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:25:10am

re: #187 luckygirl

No problem. :)

189 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:29:38am

re: #180 sparrowlake

Ok. There were several documents that specifically associated American capitalism with Judaic (that spelling doesn't look right to me at 4AM....) greed and the USA support for Israel.

If we get attacked for supporting Israel... BRING IT ON! I would personally support Israel to the death! She seems to (vocally) stand for more of my personal interests than my own country.

Ok.... it is 4AM..... I shouldn't be up... but if I could divide myself in two... I would devote half to Israel and half to the USA.

I should go to bed ... but I have to be at the airport in two hours.....

Ok... I am just pleading for forgiveness for my lack of intellectual cohesion at this point.....

190 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:30:16am
191 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:30:23am

re: #185 luckygirl

Lucky, my Brit-writer friend here shared a story he heard from HIS friend, the chief fire constable for that section of London, the man who escorted 'Red' Ken Livingstone down into the subway tube and to the scene of the bombing...

Although 'Red Ken' was chipper and composed (almost flippant) at the start, by the time they got within 150 meters of the emergency crews responding, they were deafened by the shrieks of TENS of THOUSANDS of RATS, come to feast on dead, dying and wounded...

Then Red Ken was escorted into the scene, and made to look at the effects of 2 kilograms of C4 surrounded by nails, exploding in a closet-full of humans...

Shaken, pale and wobbly after vomiting, he was escorted to the surface while the heroes continued evacuating the wounded, keeping the rats away and reinforcing the 1880's brick ceiling, about to crash down on them!

192 sevoguy[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:33:44am
193 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:35:19am

re: #189 luckygirl

If we get attacked for supporting Israel... BRING IT ON! I would personally support Israel to the death!

Amen to that! After hearing the results of a 22 nation world poll yesterday telling us how much we Americans need to elect Obama, I was felt like an Israeli citizen for a day. Can you imagine living in Israel and constantly hearing from outsiders what you should do with your country? Especially when that advice would bring about the most damning results possible.

194 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:36:22am

re: #192 sevoguy

Linky please?

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:36:53am

It is the anniversary of the day where I begin to believe that not everybody just wants to "get along".

It is the anniversary of the day that I told others "before you think it's Muslims, remember Timothy McVey." The same day that I heard of Muslims celebrating of their successful attack.

This is the anniversary of the day where I became a "take no prisoners war-monger.".

196 sparrowlake  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:37:42am

7 years.
The nightmare seems like yesterday.
Every last one was an Islamofascist terrorist. Their fellow terrorists must all be hunted down and killed.
And their oily freedom-hating backers and apologists must be put beyond the pale of civilization.
Never forgive, never forget.
*spit*

197 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:38:19am

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Morning FBV, and welcome to the dark side.

/We the light bearers must walk in places that the innocent must not.

198 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:40:06am

re: #191 Karridine

I never meant to imply that those who physically had to deal with the actual situation were cavalier. I was making a commentary on the resilience of the country.

I am sorry if my comment suggested anything contrary to utmost respect and admiration.

(Does it help if your account made me cry?..... Seriously?)

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:40:34am

re: #197 BlueCanuck

I like the way sparrowlake said it better.

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:43:22am
201 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:43:39am

re: #198 luckygirl

Girl, I meant YOU now dress-down... I was, in fact, sharing a true story shared with me, because I also admire the real people still alive in Britain... I lived there 3 years 56-59 as a SAC crumb-snatcher, and have fond memories...

And yes, that was a grim and hellish reality, VERY HOT, a hundred-plus meters underground... they WERE heroes to respond, and they WERE victims, of a deadly racist-religious poison!

202 leftover54  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:44:08am

    9/11/01
&nbspNever FORGET !


09/11/08. Hard to believe seven long years have passed.
For all those that lost loved one's on that morning I'm sure it seems just like yesterday. My heart goes out to you and you will be in my thoughts and prayers today. I try to
think of you each and every day - I'm sure today especially will not be easy for you. May G_d bless and comfort you and may the passage of time provide some lessening of the pain however slight it may be ...
WE WILL NEVER FORGET !

203 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:44:20am

re: #196 sparrowlake

Lock and load friend!

204 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:44:47am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Up in the spin offs, but here it is for your perusal.

/Sparrowlake may have said it better, but I am a Teddy kinda guy.

205 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:45:19am

I want to offer a word of thanks to a sometimes forgotten but critically important band of American patriots: The hard-working men and women who design and make the weapons and munitions our young heroes must have in their continuing battle against the terrorist monsters.

206 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:45:31am

re: #28 RTLM

I liken it to the awful feeling I got when I stood at the Wall and tried to find the names of my brothers. It began to rain and the Wall cried. And so did I. I see those names and I will never forget.

Eternal Rest grant unto them, O Lord,
And let Perpetual Light Shine upon them.
May they Rest in Peace, Amen.

207 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:45:55am

re: #201 Karridine

Girl, I meant YOU no dress-down

/pimf, sorry...

208 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:48:40am

re: #194 BlueCanuck

Linky please?

Found it.

209 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:48:57am

re: #205 shiplord kirel

Sparks? Ironman?

Sorry... LOVED the movie! Thought it was going to be a pacifistic play ... but it turned out GREAT!

210 luckygirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:50:22am

re: #206 Cap'n DOC

Have yet to make that journey. I only know of one name to find. But I fear I will cry over a thousand. And rightly so.

211 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:52:08am

re: #208 Wyatt Earp

Heh, beat you to the punch. :)

212 shiplord kirel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:55:17am

re: #209 luckygirl

Sparks? Ironman?

Sorry... LOVED the movie! Thought it was going to be a pacifistic play ... but it turned out GREAT!

Haven't seen the Ironman movie yet, but I dug the comicbooks.

Picatinny Arsenal/Project Executive-Ammunition

213 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:58:39am

re: #212 shiplord kirel

Go see it. Saw it when it came out and was blown away by it. Good story, lots of action, and no apologies.

214 sparrowlake  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:00:17am

If I was Obama I would keep my mealy mouth shut today.

215 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:01:42am

re: #214 sparrowlake

If I was Obama I would keep my mealy mouth shut today.

According to Hot Air, both candidates are going to suspend commercials today and avoid the vitriol. We hope.

216 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:02:26am

Morning, everyone. Trying to decide if I'm up to going into work today. Woke up early with a very grumpy stomach.

217 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:05:50am

Time for me to go. Stay scaly folks. And never forget. NEVER!

218 JimmyTheClaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:07:02am

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

a must read for lizards who havent read it

219 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:12:04am

September 11, 2001.

I remember.

I remember those who died, those who were injured.

I remember the ordinary people who became heroes.

I remember the silent skies. To this day, every time I hear and see an airplane, I remember them all.

I spit on the names of the murderers and their helpers. I spit on their memories: may they be forever cursed.

Let's live to the fullest today, love to the fullest, in defiance of those hateful, evil bastards who would take away our love and our joy.

We are still free. Our resolve is stronger than ever.

America the free, America the brave. God bless America.

(From your Canadian cousin.)

220 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:12:48am

re: #216 vxbush

Morning, everyone. Trying to decide if I'm up to going into work today. Woke up early with a very grumpy stomach.

Yuck, I hope you feel better soon.

221 pittrader1988  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:12:50am

Barry And Senator McCain both in NYC today. Both trying to look presidential.

Only one truly understands the horror of war.

222 3 wood  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:13:35am

Good Morning folks.

I'm thinking about some friends lost on 9-11, thankful to have had a leader willing to take action to protect us since then, and concerned about what will happen if a certain "Surrender now and run" Senator from Illinois gets into the White House.

223 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:14:27am

re: #220 Josephine

Yuck, I hope you feel better soon.

Let me drop you an email as to why. I think you'll be interested, based on our previous conversations.

224 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:14:33am

re: #219 Josephine

{Josephine}

225 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:15:43am

...sitting here, VERY close to the Pentagon Ceremony this morning. What a friendly and caring mood as I rode in on the metro. People nicely dressed even the little ones.

...it's been awhile since I've visited the Lizard Lair. Charles has kept this place professional.

God Bless America and those who defend and believe in its vision.

226 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:17:57am

Personally, I'd rather see both candidates in the senate chamber today, doing their jobs, than at Ground Zero attempting to appear apolitical. Maybe it's just me.

227 JimmyTheClaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:19:52am

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

interesting

228 Neo_  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:20:45am
The Old Farmer's Almanac is going further out on a limb than usual this year, not only forecasting a cooler winter, but looking ahead decades to suggest we are in for global cooling, not warming.
Based on the same time-honored, complex calculations it uses to predict weather, the Almanac hits the newsstands on Tuesday saying a study of solar activity and corresponding records on ocean temperatures and climate point to a cooler, not warmer, climate, for perhaps the next half century.

I guess this means that Al Gore will be canceling his subscription.

229 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:22:11am

re: #228 Neo_

I guess this means that Al Gore will be canceling his subscription.

Did he ever have one? I think not.

230 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:24:47am

re: #228 Neo_

Everybody knows the Farmer's Almanac is run by big oil.

231 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:24:47am

re: #226 Pullus Iulius

Personally, I'd rather see both candidates in the senate chamber today, doing their jobs, than at Ground Zero attempting to appear apolitical. Maybe it's just me.

I would tend to agree with you, but I'm always happier when senators of any stripe stay away from their work :)

232 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:26:54am

re: #231 Spenser (with an S)

I would tend to agree with you, but I'm always happier when senators of any stripe stay away from their work :)

So...you're an Obama supporter, right?

233 Macker  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:28:08am

I have only one message to send to the Islamofascist Bastards and all who support them in any way, shape, or form.

WE WILL COME FOR YOU.

234 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:28:17am

re: #52 Sharmuta

Who knew roger ebert was such a dick?

Criticizing her eyeglasses? It's jealousy.

I bet they're afraid women and girls will like Sarah Palin as much as they liked Princess Diana.

235 CommonSense  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:28:18am

re: #14 JeremiahRight


Was going to point that out myself.

236 pittrader1988  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:28:52am

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

This helps Johnny Mac.

The last line of the news release is interesting. Where oh where did Osama go?
Down to hell where it never snows?

237 JimmyTheClaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:29:28am

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

meanwhile in an alternate universe we do the right thing

238 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:29:41am

re: #53 jill e

{jill e}

239 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:32:11am

re: #63 jill e

Oh, boy, here come the tears.

You know the song that goes, "In the end, only kindness matters"? It's so true.

240 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:33:32am

re: #232 NC State of Mind

re: #231 Spenser (with an S)

I would tend to agree with you, but I'm always happier when senators of any stripe stay away from their work :)

So...you're an Obama supporter, right?

You're joking, of course. I just got a little chill thinking someone thought that.

241 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:35:22am

re: #93 Sharmuta

Heehee. Click my avatar.

LOL.

242 doriangrey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:36:33am

Good morning Lizards.....

243 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:37:50am

Gyuuuuud evening, all...

244 Rancher  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:40:12am

Is lipstickgate over?

245 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:41:06am

re: #135 scottishbuzzsaw

{scottishbuzzsaw}

246 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:41:31am

re: #242 doriangrey

Mornin'...

247 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:41:34am

Remembering 9/11

248 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:44:16am

re: #247 unreconstructed rebel

8:46am E, correct?

249 doriangrey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:44:33am

re: #246 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin'...

Morning dear.... Um, could you spare a thimbles worth of coffee... Hoops seems to be MIA this morning.....

250 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:44:41am

re: #247 unreconstructed rebel

/salutes

251 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:44:58am

re: #240 Spenser (with an S)

Sorry, forgot my :)

re: #244 Rancher

Is lipstickgate over?

I sure hope so. IMO, the abortion comments were much worse. If the Dems want to complain about the issues, then stop saying stupid ****

Also, this lying sack of crap Obama says he wants a debate about the issues and all the Republicans can talk about is lipstick. We've got two wars going on!

McCain should respond: Senator Obama, What was your response when I suggested ten town hall debates?
Oh right, shut up.

252 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:17am

re: #13 Bosch Fawstin

THEIR 911

A site worth more than a casual visit.

253 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:26am

re: #249 doriangrey

Morning dear.... Um, could you spare a thimbles worth of coffee... Hoops seems to be MIA this morning.....


How about a full cup this morning...

254 oldbennevis  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:46:13am

Never Forget.

255 big steve  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:46:42am

well crap..... hurricane Ike has turned my way so I will be having to make a decision on weather to evacuate.

256 CommonSense  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:11am

re: #14 JeremiahRight

wow, it sure is nice to see that Google has commemorated 9/11 on their front page yet again:

[Link: www.google.com...]


What is stunning that two (NYC and LA) of the top three cities (D.C.) on the dirty bomb/future attack wish list are as blue as they get.

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:12am

re: #233 Macker

I have only one message to send to the Islamofascist Bastards and all who support them in any way, shape, or form.

WE WILL COME FOR YOU.

Don't you love the fact that they are all looking over their shoulders at all times? Sleeping with one eye open? Jumping at the slamming of each door? Each time there is a noise? Each time it is quiet?

Don't you just love the fact that they can't take a crap without worrying if they are going to be found in that embarrassing position?

Don't you just love that they have to pray with their forehead against a rug and their fingers crossed behind their back?

Don't you love the fact that they can't make love to their wives (or goats) without thinking of us coming through the door and seeing their private parts that have been shriveled and shrunken by fear?

These are some of the things have kept us safe. Their fear.

258 big steve  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:21am

Jorline.....you out there.....what are your plans. Looks like you might be on the clean side of this one.

259 Beach Lover  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:55am

God Bless America

Never Forget

260 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:48:04am

C-SPAN live - dedication of the Pentagon memorial.

Bush will be there and if he says Islam is a religion of peace again I am going to scream.

261 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:48:54am

On the Swift Muslims, the local paper has more details.

Greeley Tribune- "Talks break down..."

262 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:05am

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I pray that this week will see THAT FEAR lifted from the North Korean people...

...they could use a break, and the world could use one LESS megalomaniacal tyrant!

263 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:40am

re: #259 Beach Lover

God Bless America

Never Forget

Amen. {Beach Lover}

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:59am

re: #262 Karridine

Dig it!

265 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:14am

Okay, scottishbuzzsaw has the coffee; who has the tea?

266 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:25am

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And yet there are people who say that the government's reaction has created an environment of paranoia that gives the terrorists no reason to stage new attacks.

WTF...

PROTIP - we've made it safe for you to say that!

/FDR had a great saying on fear...

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:29am

re: #261 Pshawalaw

On the Swift Muslims, the local paper has more details.

Greeley Tribune- "Talks break down..."

Hey Greely Muslims...I am sure there are many Muslim slaughterhouses producers that allow the prayer breaks. You should apply at those places.

268 charpete67  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:30am

Food for thought on this anniversary...
[Link: kermudgen.com...]

269 doriangrey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:46am

re: #253 scottishbuzzsaw

How about a full cup this morning...

Oh bless you...................

270 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:56am

I had no friends in the two towers on 9/11, but they are greatly missed.

I had no friends in the Pentagon on 9/11, but they and their service are a lost asset.

I had no friends on any of the planes that crashed or went down, but each one of those people had family that were greatly hurt, and so I hurt with them.

And today, seven years later, all the friends and family of the victims of 9/11 discover again that they are part of a larger group of Americans who mourn, and miss, their comrades.

271 BrianA  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:31am

I remember like it was yesterday.

272 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:41am

re: #154 Tigger2005

Got that memo in the 60's.

273 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:46am

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Greeley Muslims...I am sure there are many Muslim slaughterhouses producers that allow the prayer breaks. You should apply at those places.

That seems to be the sentiment of the citizens of Greeley (judging from the comments attached). I lived in Greeley 34 years ago, and visited again last month; I was appalled at how dirty a once quaint little town had become.

274 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:55am

It's 6am, I have tears in my eyes, and I can't sleep.

275 celtic templar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:16am

2 Russian Blackjack Bombers Land in Venezuela

Chavez called the Russian planes' visit part of a move toward a "pluri-polar world" — a reference to moving away from U.S. dominance. "The Yankee hegemony is finished," Chavez said in a televised speech.

276 Rancher  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:28am

re: #251 NC State of Mind

He wants to talk issues! But not without notes.

277 Beach Lover  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:48am

You would think after all these years that those feelings of just such sadness and an underlying sense of rage would have been tempered, but it hasn't.

278 ciaospirit  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:53am

Media bias in full bloom. This article quotes Obama twice (once criticizing Bush for not catching the terrorists) and nearly the entire article is about O's plans today. And, of course, Hussein Obama gets the headline. They mention Biden's plans. But NOT ONE WORD about Palin.

Obama calls on US to renew 9/11 spirit of service

279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:13am

re: #273 Pshawalaw

Kinda funny that we remember 9-11 so vividly; but people who moved here recently from the daily hell that is/was Somalia forget how wonderful it is to be here.

280 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:18am

re: #270 vxbush

I had no friends in the two towers on 9/11, but they are greatly missed.

I had no friends in the Pentagon on 9/11, but they and their service are a lost asset.

I had no friends on any of the planes that crashed or went down, but each one of those people had family that were greatly hurt, and so I hurt with them.

And today, seven years later, all the friends and family of the victims of 9/11 discover again that they are part of a larger group of Americans who mourn, and miss, their comrades.

We may not have known them personally, but I feel we (freedom lovers) all had friends that were murdered that day.

281 doriangrey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:03am

re: #271 BrianA

I remember like it was yesterday.

Me to, and I'm still every bit as pissed off as I was then. 100 percent Never Forget, Never forgive.....

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:08am

re: #275 celtic templar

2 Russian Blackjack Bombers Land in Venezuela

C'mon fuckers. We're not in a very good mood today. Let's do this...

C'mon fuckers!

283 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:21am

http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html

I listen to Toby Keith when I want to be mad and this tribute when I want to mourn and remember. Those bastards.

284 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:02am

re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Up dingy on that point.

285 ciaospirit  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:19am

We will never forget.

286 PISSED  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:32am

re: #14 JeremiahRight

I just went to see if the did a commemoration and low and behold NOTHING... shame...

287 doriangrey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:29am

re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kinda funny that we remember 9-11 so vividly; but people who moved here recently from the daily hell that is/was Somalia forget how wonderful it is to be here.

Or what a vile hell hole they fled, no they would rather turn America into just such a hell hole. Why dear god cant we return them to the hell from whence they came?

288 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:04am

re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kinda funny that we remember 9-11 so vividly; but people who moved here recently from the daily hell that is/was Somalia forget how wonderful it is to be here.

I wonder, could it be that Keith Olberman is Somali, he doesn't want to remember 9/11 either.

289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:22am

re: #286 PISSED

I just went to see if the did a commemoration and low and behold NOTHING... shame...

Charles didn't either. Google didn't. Yahoo didn't.

I don't need it. Tattooed in my heart.

290 doriangrey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:56am

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C'mon fuckers. We're not in a very good mood today. Let's do this...

C'mon fuckers!

Yup................ Good day to render Blackjacks into carbonized crap...........

291 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:04am

re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles didn't either. Google didn't. Yahoo didn't.

I don't need it. Tattooed in my heart.

Yes, but Charles isn't up yet. When he is, I'm sure he'll have something up, most likely the flag.

292 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:12am

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (67 degrees, going up to 78 degrees) and rainy Charlotte.
Fox is apparently showing the videotape of 9/11 minute by minute account; I can't watch it - I was there then and saw it live, but I'm grateful to Fox for showing it.
Never Forget.
Never Forgive.

293 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:08am

re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Give Charles a minute to wake up and start work.

294 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:20am

re: #292 realwest
Mornin' realwest...

295 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:25am

Oh, and I receive my Reuter's Daily News Briefing (morning edition) and there is no mention - not even a whisper of 9/11/01. Nothing.

296 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:58am

re: #287 doriangrey

Or what a vile hell hole they fled, no they would rather turn America into just such a hell hole. Why dear god cant we return them to the hell from whence they came?

no comment

297 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:35am

re: #294 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning to you, too. I hope you're doing well this morning.

298 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:45am

BBIAM

299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:40am

re: #293 Spenser (with an S)

Wasn't complaining about it. Just sayin' I don't need/expect it.

300 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:52am

Fox is showing the families at the site. MSNBC is replaying 2001 Good Morning American's live coverage. Minute by minute. Unbearable.

301 HDrepub  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:26am

I just have to say this about Obama and the putting lipstick on a pig issue. In actuality, Obama probably hasn't been near a live pig in his entire adult life, and possibly not in his entire life. He wouldn't know which end of the pig to put the lipstick.

302 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:34am

Moment of silence at Ground Zero, now an invocation.

303 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:07am

re: #295 realwest

Oh, and I receive my Reuter's Daily News Briefing (morning edition) and there is no mention - not even a whisper of 9/11/01. Nothing.

Wow. I can't believe it. That's what I woke up thinking about. Innocent people were at their jobs at this very moment...not knowing radical Islam was about to murder them.

304 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:39am

re: #300 snowcrash

Fox is showing the families at the site. MSNBC is replaying 2001 Good Morning American's live coverage. Minute by minute. Unbearable.


:(

305 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:54am

How do we know that the McCain campaign is more competent then other Republican ones? The new ad! We've heard and read about Obama sending slimeball lawyers, investigaters, etc to Alaska to try to dig up dirt on Palin (remember when the Democrats checked which movies Clarence Thomas rented?...or NYT trying to get Roberts kids adaption records?).
I thought "well, those 10% undecided voters will never know this.

Powerline links to a TV ad. It's pretty good. It specifically mentions Obama trying to destroy Palin.

306 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:12am

re: #301 HDrepub

I just have to say this about Obama and the putting lipstick on a pig issue. In actuality, Obama probably hasn't been near a live pig in his entire adult life, and possibly not in his entire life. He wouldn't know which end of the pig to put the lipstick.

I like what another pundit called it....playground insults.

/Keep it up, O!

307 BrianA  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:14am

No mention at Drudge.

308 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:47am

When you look in the faces of those at the WTC site, you can see the sadness there, the loss, the hole in the heart that has been left. Many prayers going up for them and all those who lost family on that day.

309 HDrepub  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:47am

re: #288 Pshawalaw

I wonder, could it be that Keith Olberman is Somali, he doesn't want to remember 9/11 either.

Keith Olbermann is the devil's spawn from hell. He will be returning there when his life's work is done.

310 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:38am

re: #292 realwest

G'devening. Got this on my "default" BBC RSS.

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:45am

Not watching the coverage. All melancholy and sadness.

I want Anger. Outrage. Fists shaking in the air. OBL's effigy burned.

You know...that kind of thing.

I'll be friendly again tomorrow. Sorry. This is the one day a year that I walk around with a 'tude.

312 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:09:48am

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not watching the coverage. All melancholy and sadness.

I want Anger. Outrage. Fists shaking in the air. OBL's effigy burned.

You know...that kind of thing.

I'll be friendly again tomorrow. Sorry. This is the one day a year that I walk around with a 'tude.

For some, the sadness comes before the anger.

313 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:09:56am

It's weird to go back to LGF on 09/01 and see like 2 or 3 comments/ day regarding web codes and jazz music. Then, you see Charles' anger build and his resolve to make this a site to spread freedom and fight dhimmitude. Inspiring.

314 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:46am

re: #310 laZardo
Good morning my friend - I love it; according to the BBC,

NEW YORK

marks the day.
Fuck them, the United States of America - or at least the honest citizens of the USA - all mark this day.

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:51am

re: #312 vxbush

Absolutely. Only speaking for myself.

316 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:14am

re: #223 vxbush

Let me drop you an email as to why. I think you'll be interested, based on our previous conversations.

Email received. Working on a reply.

317 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:29am

I recall listening to an all-news local radio station...which switched to carrying the audio of CNN. The big thing was that no-one knew what was gonig to happen next (I've talked to Pearl Harbor survivers who said the same thing...they were convinced another attack and maybe an invasion was immenent).

There were reports of an attack next to the White House (old exec office building). They didn't know how many planes were missing. Thought there may be several out there yet with terrorsts on board.

318 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:37am

I still feel as sick to my stomach, and as downright angry as I did on this fateful day. Complete and utter ANGER.

319 ronaldusmagnus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:49am

We have accomplished much since that wretched day - we have much more to do.

320 Jaydee  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:13:54am

...

321 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:15am

re: #301 HDrepub

I just have to say this about Obama and the putting lipstick on a pig issue. In actuality, Obama probably hasn't been near a live pig in his entire adult life, and possibly not in his entire life. He wouldn't know which end of the pig to put the lipstick.

Hey, pigs are haraam, after all. Obama would probably run from one.

322 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:17am

Don't know if this has been posted or not but:

Obama calls on US to renew 9/11 spirit of service

CHAMPION, Pa. - On the seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama called on Americans to renew "that spirit of service and that sense of common purpose" that followed the terrorist assaults that killed nearly 3,000 people.

Obama and his rival for the presidency, Republican John McCain, were to appear together twice Thursday, having agreed to suspend all TV ads critical of each other to commemorate the day terrorists forced four airplanes to crash into the World Trade Center towers in New York City, a field in Shanksville, Pa., and the Pentagon in Washington.

In a statement issued Thursday morning, Obama repeated a criticism often leveled from the campaign trail against the Bush administration: The terrorists responsible for the attacks remain at large and "must be brought to justice."

"On 9/11, Americans across our great country came together to stand with the families of the victims, to donate blood, to give to charity, and to say a prayer for our country. Let us renew that spirit of service and that sense of common purpose," he said.
[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]
No mention, of course, but the One, of the anger, shock and determination over that day and for the next year or so on the part of the USA to get those responsible nor to do what it took to prevent anything like that from happening again.
Because to say that would be completely honest and Obama would have to give credit to BUSH for preventing another attack on the US of similar impact EVER SINCE 9/11/01.

323 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:27am

re: #301 HDrepub

I just have to say this about Obama and the putting lipstick on a pig issue. In actuality, Obama probably hasn't been near a live pig in his entire adult life, and possibly not in his entire life. He wouldn't know which end of the pig to put the lipstick.

Two thoughts came to mind in response to his remark:

1) Someone wanting to distance himself from fears that he is Muslim shouldn't work so hard to denigrate pigs.

2) He would get how repulsive his comment was if only somebody would now ask him, 'Sen. Obama, does your wife wear lipstick?' He would be immediately offended by the vague association.

His listeners got it, and he did nothing to quell their lack of decorum. Which has been a trend with his candidacy, his supporters constantly act out in classless fashion and he consistently refuses to risk losing their support by calling them on their low life behavior. Obama deserves all of the criticism he will get for what he said, he may/or may not have meant it that way, but he was proud to let his loyal supporters believe that he intended it as an insult to Palin.

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:29am

re: #322 realwest

Pigs with lipstick flying?

325 HDrepub  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:54am

re: #306 Lively

re: #301 HDrepub

I just have to say this about Obama and the putting lipstick on a pig issue. In actuality, Obama probably hasn't been near a live pig in his entire adult life, and possibly not in his entire life. He wouldn't know which end of the pig to put the lipstick.

I like what another pundit called it....playground insults.

/Keep it up, O!


As a county raised man, I can tell you pigs are quite capable of defending themselves. I would like to be a fly on a wall and observe Obama in a hog pen.

326 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:08am

Sadly it seems like a lot of NY is business as usual today, although I saw a nice 9/11 related cover on the NY Daily News this morning...

I am wearing red, white and blue and still remember that morning up here on 7th Avenue and 36th... It was terrible in the office... Rumors of planes heading toward Indian Point and the Empire State Building were keeping us on edge completely. Our company President even led us all in a decade of the Rosary (amazing to believe) over the PA system...

It's a tough day but sadly, I would venture to guss that a mjority have forgotten... I would also imagine that a large portion of those same people are Obama supporters...

327 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:23am

re: #317 Dave the.....

I recall listening to an all-news local radio station...which switched to carrying the audio of CNN. The big thing was that no-one knew what was gonig to happen next (I've talked to Pearl Harbor survivers who said the same thing...they were convinced another attack and maybe an invasion was immenent).

There were reports of an attack next to the White House (old exec office building). They didn't know how many planes were missing. Thought there may be several out there yet with terrorsts on board.

I was on my way to work, praying my Rosary as usual, so I didn't have the radio on. I started hearing people here at work talking about it, and of course news Web sites were getting hammered with traffic.

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:48am

re: #323 Pshawalaw

2.) was brilliant.

329 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:17:03am

re: #313 Spenser (with an S)
Killgore gave me the link to 9/11/01 page at LGF. I didn't know how to search for it. Amazing. So few comments. You can see Charles disbelief and rage grow with each post.

330 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:17:46am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

As I now work in Lower Manhattan within view of Ground Zero, I rode to work this morning (as I normally do) on PATH, which runs through Ground Zero. I had the opportunity and privilege of being in Ground Zero this morning within the time frame of the first plane hitting while sitting on the PATH train. We stopped before entering Ground Zero at the moment the first plane hit. It was an eerie feeling and one of tremendous sadness. The crowd of people that surges through the PATH station was quieter than normal, which I attribute to the solemnity of the day. I had thought I would take photos of the site and the commemorations in and around Ground Zero, but I realized that I simply could not. The emotions are far too raw, and the protesters - and they will get their undue coverage - made my blood boil.

You had your Troofers - those who engage in conspiracy mongering about who was behind the 9/11 attacks. You have the blame Bush crowd - complete with banners claiming that Bush was behind the terrorist attacks. And then you had several people claiming to be soldiers against the war in Iraq. They too had swarms of photographers and journalists photographing and taking video.

To me, the more poignant views were those of the family members clutching photos of their loved ones, many of whose remains were never recovered. They buried empty caskets. There were the firefighters and police officers from around the region and the country who are coming to pay respects to their brothers who made the supreme sacrifices by running into the burning buildings all while anyone else would be running away.

My full coverage of the rebuilding at Ground Zero over the past year can be found here.

331 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:18:45am

FOX News Poll: War on Terror Remains a Major Concern

Seven years after the events of September 11, eight out of ten Americans — 81 percent —believe the war on terrorism is at least as important today as it was just after the attacks.

332 croob  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:19:17am

Today is the day that endless loops of Jeremiah Wright's horrifying speech about America should be played for all to see again and again. We know he taught Barack Obama a lot about character.

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:21:00am

re: #331 Ward Cleaver

81 "Good For You!"s
19 "Shut up hippy!"s

Hope I typed that right.

334 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:21:05am

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Good morning. I understand how you feel.
But those of us who lived and worked in Manhattan that day remember with great sadness and great anger.
I have to be careful posting today because of that.
I will say THANK YOU to all the First Responders and especially those who gave their lives and to all Americans who helped New York City folks out that day and in the weeks and months to follow.
But my poor words cannot adequately describe the fear (we didn't know, even after the second Tower was hit - something my former wife watched from the street below and I saw on my TV Screen - whether or not any other attacks were coming at us); then we heard about D.C. and were simultaneously afraid and ready to go to war RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
As I said, I'm probably not going to post much on this today, my anger and BP get too high too quickly.

335 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:21:06am

re: #331 Ward Cleaver

FOX News Poll: War on Terror Remains a Major Concern

...so if my cousin Bernie were the democratic nominee...he would get 19% of the vote...

336 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:21:10am

re: #314 realwest

The title on the RSS says "US marks seventh 9/11 anniversary"...

337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:22:15am

re: #334 realwest

(bows in respect)

338 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:22:24am

I need to get on with things, so I'll leave you with this thought:

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND 226 YEARS OF FREEDOM.

339 HDrepub  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:23:32am

re: #323 Pshawalaw

1) Someone wanting to distance himself from fears that he is Muslim shouldn't work so hard to denigrate pigs.

He should also be told this and we'll see if he wants to bring up pigs again.

This is macabre, but during the Civil War, much of the South had free range livestock laws, and cattle and hogs roamed around unfenced. During and after the battles at Shiloh and Stones River, the hogs actually ate the flesh of dead soldiers left on the field. This is documented in The Official Records of the War of the Rebellion, which was compiled by the government near the end of the nineteenth century.
I've heard the people of Hardin County, TN wouldn't eat pork for years after April 6th and 7th, 1862.

340 jcbunga  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:23:32am

Who did the Governor of New York just quote at Ground Zero? Some Algerian?

Meanwhile, whatever the bastards hoped to accomplish, they have failed and we as a nation have accomplished much, both against the enemies without and within.

Compare the stock market then and now.

We just went through a remarkable economy that spanned the entire Dubya years.

Iraq is free, So-damn-insane is in hell.

Al Qaida is hiring at all positions and they're about to get round two in the 'stan.

Our military, all volunteers, has evolved from merely the best to the best there ever has been. Where do we get such people? Honor them.

Hey Flight 93---You were the first counterattack. God bless you all. We rolled.

Let's keep it rolling.

341 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:24:52am
The title on the RSS says "US marks seventh 9/11 anniversary"...

And this winter, my church will "mark the 2008th December 25th anniversery".

342 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:24:53am

re: #300 snowcrash

But GOOD for MS NBC!

After years of MSM absolutely AVOIDING the airing of footage from this day, lest it 'inflame' America, they're running it now! And a LOT of newcomers can see, for the first time, what shocking impact it had AND a lot of others can REFRESH their memory of that infamous day, Snowcrash!

343 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:25:54am

re: #326 tfc3rid
Hey, good morning my friend. I don't think the majority of NYC folk have forgotten - I think they have, perhaps subconsciously put it away in a special corner of their minds.
But I do wish I was in my hometown today; I've put out our Flag - at half-mast and so far no one else has done so - it isn't just New Yorkers who have forgotten or put that the memory of that day into a special corner of their subconscious.
I wish you well today and, again, just wish I could be there with you today.

344 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:26:28am

In other news, this story pisses me off:

Government Officials Probed About Illicit Sex, Gifts

I hope they throw the book at those MFers.

345 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:26:40am

re: #330 lawhawk

I visited Ground Zero back in August 2005, back before I got engaged in the anti-twoofer fight. There were a few inside-jobbers there, handing out pamphlets on how they thought 7/7 was also an inside job. I was like "lol wtf" and just moved on.

I am sickened as to how big it has grown, or at least how much coverage it's getting. Even more so that many of its new members are often in my age group.

346 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:27:45am

re: #255 big steve


Nice play on words there, although I know it's serious.

347 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:28:24am

re: #343 realwest

Hey, good morning my friend. I don't think the majority of NYC folk have forgotten - I think they have, perhaps subconsciously put it away in a special corner of their minds.
But I do wish I was in my hometown today; I've put out our Flag - at half-mast and so far no one else has done so - it isn't just New Yorkers who have forgotten or put that the memory of that day into a special corner of their subconscious.
I wish you well today and, again, just wish I could be there with you today.

Thanks realwest... I wish I had more time today to dedicate to thoughts from then... I am still angry, will never forget and certainly never, ever forgive...

I hope that John McCain today when remarking about this will give credit to President Bush and the US military for taking the fight to those monsters and preventing further attacks at home...

I can't timagine ANY of us would have thought we would go 7 years without another major attack (there have been minor ones, though...)

349 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:28:53am

Instapundit links again to this tribute, if you can bear to watch it:

[Link: www.comdac.com...]

350 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:29:09am

At least at Peal Harbor, we all agreed the Japanese bombed us.

At Ground Zero, we have people saying it was Israel, our own government (!) and some say Saudis.

351 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:29:22am
352 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:29:38am

re: #342 Karridine

I watched CNN's replayed live coverage online last year. Quoting the commentator as he watched the second tower fall...

"There are no words."

353 bosforus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:30:16am

Note to Muslims:
If you can't do the job, don't take the job.
Muslim Swift workers sacked after walkout

More than 100 Muslim workers were fired from a Greeley slaughterhouse Wednesday after refusing to report for work a day earlier in protest of the company's refusal to allow a prayer break during the work shift.
354 jorline  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:30:22am

In remembrance of 9/11 and what I do know

1. I know that four planes were hijacked on 9/11.
2. I know that 19 jihadist were aboard those four planes.
3. I know we have cockpit recording of Arabic speaking males in all four cockpits on 9/11.
4. I know from cell phone recordings coming from passengers on flight 93 something was amiss on that plane.
5. I know there were several American heroes aboard flight 93.
6. I know 44 people died when flight 93 crashed in a field just outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
7. I know the Pentagon was hit by a plane. All 64 passengers and 125 people working in the Pentagon perished on 9/11.
8. I saw two planes crash into the twin towers on 9/11.
9. I know the twin towers were brought down on 9/11.
10. I know 2998 people from 90 different countries were murdered on 9/11, this includes 24 people that are missing and presumed dead.
11. I don't believe the US Government or Israel brought down those planes...period!

I didn't include the 19 hijackers with the 2998 lost souls from 9/11. The hijackers should never be listed with the 2998…they’re murders, FUCK THEM!

I think I can sum up the feelings of MOST Lizards on LGF this way.
FUCK THE TROOFERS!

Lost, but never forgotten.

355 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:31:06am

re: #348 beblebrox

Charles has a series of resources in the sidebar under Never Forget and a photo slideshow of 9/11 related information.

356 christheprofessor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:31:32am

re: #322 realwest

If McCain or Bush were to say the exact same thing, the Dems and MSM (but, I repeat myself) would be screaming bloody murder that they were politicizing 9/11.

357 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:31:45am

re: #354 jorline

Amen!

358 beblebrox  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:31:50am

re: #355 lawhawk

Thank you. I refer to it often. I never want my anger to subside.

359 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:32:26am

re: #344 Ward Cleaver

In other news, this story pisses me off:

Government Officials Probed About Illicit Sex, Gifts

I hope they throw the book at those MFers.

Ugh. Now we have to read in the Editorial Opinion pages how it was all about oil.

360 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:32:51am

re: #350 Lively

At least at Peal Harbor, we all agreed the Japanese bombed us.

At Ground Zero, we have people saying it was Israel, our own government (!) and some say Saudis.

Insane.

361 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:32:56am

re: #336 laZardo
My friend - your link has changed and now has a video tape up, but the bold headline under the video image is "New York has paused to remember the moments two planes hit the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001 - an attack that killed nearly 3,000 people."

362 HDrepub  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:33:01am

What has always troubled me is the lesson that hasn't been learned by the left, in that the perpetrators of 9/11 weren't poor noble peasants with a grievance, but actually people from relatively well off circumstances. I have heard the Messiah speak of Hamas and Hezbollah having legitimate grievances. What a tool this man will be if he is elected! The Islamofascists hate us because we are infidels and that's it, and when the left admits that I suppose pigs will fly, with or without lipstick.

363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:33:07am

I have to go to work. I am a salesman. Sales is all about positive upbeat mental attitude.

Let's hope I can shake this mood, sell something big, and take today's income and give it to something good.

Wish me well folks!

364 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:33:11am

re: #353 bosforus

Note to Muslims:
If you can't do the job, don't take the job.
Muslim Swift workers sacked after walkout


We are killilng ourselves if we allow this kind of crap to go on.

365 phoenixgirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:33:21am

IF YOU ARE NOT ANGRY, YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN. IF YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN, SHAME ON YOU.

366 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:33:36am

re: #359 Lively

Ugh. Now we have to read in the Editorial Opinion pages how it was all about oil.

Okay, there are several jokes in that, but I will refrain because of what day it is.

367 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:33:39am

re: #359 Lively

Ugh. Now we have to read in the Editorial Opinion pages how it was all about oil.

You know the Dems are going to jump on it. McCain and Palin need to condemn it in the strongest terms.

368 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:33:43am

re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have to go to work. I am a salesman. Sales is all about positive upbeat mental attitude.

Let's hope I can shake this mood, sell something big, and take today's income and give it to something good.

Wish me well folks!

Wishing you well. ;)

369 UFO TOFU  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:34:06am

re: #343 realwest
Nice. We put out the flag every morning here at work, unfortunately it's not flown on a pole; no way to lower it.
Almost thirty employees have clocked in so far this morning; no mention of today's significance. I'm becoming very jaded.

370 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:34:51am

Have a safe day lizards.

371 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:35:27am

re: #369 UFO TOFU

Nice. We put out the flag every morning here at work, unfortunately it's not flown on a pole; no way to lower it.
Almost thirty employees have clocked in so far this morning; no mention of today's significance. I'm becoming very jaded.

Hey, at least the stores haven't started doing "Patriot Day Sales".

372 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:35:31am

I've hung my flag this morning. I cried on the way to work listening to the tapes from Fox News on the morning of 9/11. I've read Tilly's story (as I do every year). I've prayed. I've promised to those who perished that day and to the families who still grieve for them to never forget. I don't know what else to do. I feel drained and the day has just begun.

373 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:35:56am

re: #354 jorline
Good morning my friend - a very fine post and I thank you for that.
I hope you are ready to run if Ike hits a little south of where they are now predicting!
And, of course, I hope all lizards and all people in the path of Ike avoid personal damage and don't suffer too much property damage, either.

374 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:36:07am

re: #369 UFO TOFU

Nice. We put out the flag every morning here at work, unfortunately it's not flown on a pole; no way to lower it.
Almost thirty employees have clocked in so far this morning; no mention of today's significance. I'm becoming very jaded.

Same here in my office...

Alhough my whole block in Queens has their flags out today... My block is a bunch of Libs but they remember...

375 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:36:34am

actually a nice article at the WaPo about some of the children of the survivors:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

To quote:

"Megan Donovan was 11 when her father was killed at the Pentagon. Middle school is a dark memory. By 13, she had attended so many Sept. 11 funerals and remembrances that she recalls being mystified about an invitation to a fancy celebration. 'I know how to dress for a funeral, but how do you dress for a wedding?' she remembers asking her mother one day in their home, in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County."

but then if you read the associated comments, there are some sickening statements by the moonbats, this is what really makes me angry:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

376 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:36:50am
377 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:37:50am

re: #376 buzzsawmonkey

Nor have the airlines made it Discount Ticket Day. But I could see it happening.

I believe a few years ago Spirit Airlines had a all tickets for $2 sale to fly on 9/11...

378 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:38:56am

re: #365 phoenixgirl

I am not outwardly angry, but that does not mean I have not forgotten.

I simply choose not to let that anger run wild, consume my being and drive me into the paranoid insanity that the terrorists want of their victims. Yes, I am angry, but I apply it against them properly and - pardon the possible oxymoron - calmly.

379 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:40:02am

Immediately after 9/11 I would not have believed we would go 7 years without another attack. It certainly is not for lack of trying on the terrorists part. Our safety is a tribute to President Bush and all the unnamed others who contribute to our security. Thank you to all.

380 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:40:39am

re: #378 laZardo

I am not outwardly angry, but that does not mean I have not forgotten.

PIMF

381 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:41:09am

Al Jazeerah's Special Article on 9/11
Nice scare quotes, Jooooo theories, etc....

I will never forget.

Never forget also who celebrated those deaths.

382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:41:40am

From the Pot Calling a Kettle Black Department:

Roger Ebert doesn't like Governor Palin's glasses:

Palin is a shallow, chirpy person with those vaguely alarming eyeglasses. Now her fans all want a pair. Remember back when women wore glasses that departed their ears in plastic swoops and swirls? My theory is, anyone who wears glasses that look weird is telling me something I don’t want to know.

Yeah, that's this Roger Ebert.
/hat tip dirtyharrysplace.com

383 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:42:19am

re: #379 snowcrash

Immediately after 9/11 I would not have believed we would go 7 years without another attack. It certainly is not for lack of trying on the terrorists part. Our safety is a tribute to President Bush and all the unnamed others who contribute to our security. Thank you to all.

I was just thinking about how I'm thankful that Gore wasn't elected in 2000. 9/11 would have been just the first attack on the U.S., as our response would have been to send out Federal warrants.

384 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:42:32am

re: #219 Josephine

Lovely.

385 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:42:51am
386 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:43:30am

re: #382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Roger Ebert is an idiot.

387 mamashawna  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:43:33am

re: #53 jill e

I second Sharmuta: {jill}

Bless you.

388 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:43:49am

re: #381 WriterMom

Never forget also who celebrated those deaths.

You mean those spiritually-dead ghouls who danced in the street, handed out candy in New Jersey and acted DELIGHTED at the thought of killing 3,000 kffir, WriterMom?

/Oh, THEM!

389 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:43:52am

re: #375 John Gibbon

actually a nice article at the WaPo about some of the children of the survivors:

My mistake, I mean 'victims' not survivors.

390 vxbush  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:44:03am

re: #386 Ward Cleaver

Roger Ebert is an idiot.

Seconded. All in favor?

391 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:44:05am

re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Charles will remember this day; the new Ajax system apparently makes it difficult for him to change the masthead, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Old Glory - maybe at half-staff - on LGF all day today, once Charles and Stinky are up and at 'em.

392 HDrepub  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:44:09am

re: #382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

From the Pot Calling a Kettle Black Department:

Roger Ebert doesn't like Governor Palin's glasses:

Yeah, that's this Roger Ebert.
/hat tip dirtyharrysplace.com

Put some lipstick on that pig, and it will still be a pig. Porkface Ebert.

393 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:44:35am
394 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:44:51am
395 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:45:39am

Geesh, PDS now reaches here glasses (which by the way, have suddenly become popular).

396 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:45:44am
397 jorline  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:45:59am

re: #373 realwest

Good morning my friend - a very fine post and I thank you for that.
I hope you are ready to run if Ike hits a little south of where they are now predicting!
And, of course, I hope all lizards and all people in the path of Ike avoid personal damage and don't suffer too much property damage, either.

Hey...good morning, RW. It's a very emotional day.
First, remembering everyone one we lost on 9/11.
Second, thankful that we're missing the direct hit from Ike, but sorry it will hit those in Houston and south. We will receive hurricane force wind and a lot of rain, but we will be spared the utter destruction of Ike.

398 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:46:43am

re: #344 Ward Cleaver

I wonder how many frozen assets Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Florida has in his freezer.

399 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:46:44am

Oh and hey ALL Y'ALL - I encourage you all to go to the upper left sidebar, under "Never Forget" and read everything there. It's a magnificent piece of work by Charles, but bring your tissues with you, especially when reading Tilly's Story.

400 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:46:47am

re: #382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And somebody please give me a smack whenever I listen to anything the charlatan Ebert has to say.

401 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:46:49am

re: #393 taxfreekiller

Obama


On "Swiftboating", thing is you need election money, T. Boone Pickens has the $1,000,000.00 up for any one who can prove any of the findings of the "Swiftboat" dissuasion boards or the codicil of "Unfit for Command" book.

Make your case or duck back under the cover of the lies and fraud of the MSM "NBC', "ABC", "CBS", "PBS", "CNN", "MSMBC", NEW YORK TIMES ,
you know, "the liar elite".

that and ask "ABC'S" parent company Disney for a copy of

"The Path to 9/11",

that should help also.

Democrats are now total fraud, and you sir, the sample product.

McCain's campaign manager was on with Hugh Hewitt yesaterday, talking about how now that Obama went back on his word, and decided to forego matching funds, that now he has to raise something like $100 a month in September and October to keep up with McCain. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea after all.

402 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:46:57am

Came in early today to lower flags at all my buildings ....
But first replaced them with fresh new ones!
The beauty of the stars and stripes at dawn was a little tainted!
I'll never forget that morning!Ever!

403 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:47:33am

re: #396 buzzsawmonkey

Not only is Roger Ebert an idiot--he is the "Pat" edition of Michael Moore.

LOL!

/it's pat!

404 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:47:34am

Top o' the marnin' to all ye Lizards [and the rest o' the day].I hear they're calling the Obama gaff: Miss Piggy and Piggy-gate. If I was (still) a democrat, I'd be speaking about how the party used to take the high road in political contests. [not that it ever did]

405 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:47:45am

re: #385 buzzsawmonkey

Yep, you have to ask yourself, what would these moonbats fight for?

I guess if their ability to post stupid comments at websites was taken away they might call foul, then roll over and go back to bed.

406 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:48:22am

So interesting to me that the moonbat's network, MSNBC, is the only one covering September 11 in real time rebroadcast, which is the most powerful way to experience it....with no pundit analysis.

407 HDrepub  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:48:49am

re: #400 Pullus Iulius

And somebody please give me a smack whenever I listen to anything the charlatan Ebert has to say.

I alway used Ebert's opinions of films as help in choosing which ones to view. If he liked one, I knew I wouldn't.

408 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:48:50am

re: #394 Occasional Reader
Good morning my friend.
That photo is my screen saver. It's rare to see any photo which moves one SO MUCH as does that one.
Thank you for putting up the link to it.

409 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:48:53am

such a beautiful morning today.
so much like the morning on 9-11 when that hell came out of the sky.
but today i will try to find happiness in my life.
i will pick a bouquet of wildflowers.
i will make plum jelly.
i will go to the animal shelter and make a donation.
i will smile at all the people i meet.
i will be patient and soft spoken w/ my family and friends.
but i will not forget how good decent innocent people were killed by monsters.
i will not forget that evil lurks in the world and has designs on our country and way of life.
while being happy today, i will have a steady resolve in my heart and soul that these terrorist barbarians will be decimated.

410 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:49:11am

re: #406 tradewind

So interesting to me that the moonbat's network, MSNBC, is the only one covering September 11 in real time rebroadcast, which is the most powerful way to experience it....with no pundit analysis.

Trying to pull their ratings out of the dumper.

411 BrianA  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:49:48am

re: #381 WriterMom

Never forget who celebrates death.

412 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:49:55am

re: #383 Ward Cleaver

I was just thinking about how I'm thankful that Gore wasn't elected in 2000. 9/11 would have been just the first attack on the U.S., as our response would have been to send out Federal warrants.

Think of that fact when people are voting for Obama... Ugh...

413 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:50:09am

fckers.

414 mamashawna  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:50:33am

re: #75 littleoldlady

Yay! I hardly ever post, but this morning is a good morning to sneak a fruit cup from the buffett, say Good Morning to everyone, and reflect on this day. LGF is the first site I visit in the morning, and the last one at night. Don't need no other site!

Hey, that's pretty good....may I have some more?

415 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:50:57am

re: #409 nyc redneck

VERY well worded, Ma'am...

416 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:51:12am

CNN International showing Rumsfeld speaking at the Pentagon Memorial...

417 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:51:31am
418 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:51:35am

re: #386 Ward Cleaver

Roger Ebert is an idiot.

No, he is a critic. That's what he does. How would you (or anyone, for that matter) like to be called a professional critic? [Oh yeah, I make a living out of being an a**hole]

419 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:52:28am
420 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:52:29am
421 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:53:04am
422 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:53:16am

re: #409 nyc redneck

such a beautiful morning today.
so much like the morning on 9-11 when that hell came out of the sky.
but today i will try to find happiness in my life.
i will pick a bouquet of wildflowers.
i will make plum jelly.
i will go to the animal shelter and make a donation.
i will smile at all the people i meet.
i will be patient and soft spoken w/ my family and friends.
but i will not forget how good decent innocent people were killed by monsters.
i will not forget that evil lurks in the world and has designs on our country and way of life.
while being happy today, i will have a steady resolve in my heart and soul that these terrorist barbarians will be decimated.


Amen!

423 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:53:39am

re: #420 buzzsawmonkey

OMG, they're quoting Willis Carto!
Seriously! The man behind the Liberty Lobby, pre-eminent Holocaust
denier, and such a major antisemite he makes Pat Buchanan look like the
Lubavitcher Rebbe!

Whatchyou talkin' 'bout, Willis?

424 HDrepub  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:53:56am

re: #405 John Gibbon

Yep, you have to ask yourself, what would these moonbats fight for?

I guess if their ability to post stupid comments at websites was taken away they might call foul, then roll over and go back to bed.

They will fight for nothing. They will abuse the First Amendment by using smears, slurs and innuendos to achieve what they want.

425 mattm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:54:00am

MSNBC is re-broadcasting the footage from 9/11/01

426 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:54:02am

Sarah Palin is in the Dems head... I love it...

Liked Biden yesterday saying that Hillary Clinton might have been a better pick for Veep than he...

427 jorline  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:54:11am

Lizards, please keep Big Steve and all of the other Lizards in Ike path in your thoughts and prayers today...Big Steve lives in Galveston.

I feel guilty today because yesterday we were talking about Ike. He was hoping it would stay to the south and I was hoping it would move to the north.

428 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:54:52am
429 bosforus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:55:17am

re: #364 Lively

We are killilng ourselves if we allow this kind of crap to go on.

Fortunately, Swift didn't let it.

430 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:55:36am

re: #426 tfc3rid

Sarah Palin is in the Dems head... I love it...

Liked Biden yesterday saying that Hillary Clinton might have been a better pick for Veep than he...

Heh. Isn't the working definition of a "gaffe" when a politician accidentally tells the truth?

431 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:55:44am

re: #292 realwest

I was there then and saw it live, but I'm grateful to Fox for showing it.
Never Forget.
Never Forgive.

Good morning, {realwest}. I had no idea you were witness to that horrible day. :-( You're right. Never forget. Never forgive. {rw}

432 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:55:45am

Barack Obama has a better plan to capture Osama bin laden than John McCain. At leastthat's what Philly "conservative" talk show tool Michael Smerconish thinks.

I friggin' hate that guy.

433 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:55:51am
434 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:56:19am

The sun rising over the San Gabriel Mountains in California, Pacific time zone. (Towercam)

not a dawn seen here on earth by 3,000 killed by Islamic Fascists 7 years ago today.

May they rest in peace, even those never found.

435 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:56:44am

I'm for it, but no 'e'...

Obama is being PiggyBoated!
436 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:56:53am

Hats off to MSNBC for replaying live coverage of 9/11. I know some can't bear to relive the day, but I feel it is important for us to do so. We have been kept safe, more or less for seven years, and it is natural human tendency for vigilance to wane. Mine has. I have become steadily more complacent and comfortable as it sometimes seems we are no longer threatened here at home. But we must watch this footage and empathize with ourselves of seven years ago. We must re-feel what we felt then, because, God knows the attitudes and feelings of our enemies have not changed in seven years. If anything, their hatred has grown.

Though seven years have passed, the situation is no less urgent or perilous, and the price of failure carries no smaller risk today than it did seven years ago.

437 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:56:57am

re: #426 tfc3rid

Sarah Palin is in the Dems head... I love it...

Liked Biden yesterday saying that Hillary Clinton might have been a better pick for Veep than he...


In the links, I posted the odds from In-trade about Biden getting booted in favor of Hillary. There actually is a betting line on it. heh

438 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:57:08am

re: #433 buzzsawmonkey

He's just not feeling clean enough or articulate enough these days...

Maybe he should have been talking about those nice Indians who work at 7-11 or something...

439 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:57:35am

re: #410 Ward Cleaver

That must be it... Well, works for me.... this is the best way to watch. Actually, there's nada on the other networks. Guess they are afraid it would stir some latent patriotism that would accrue to McCain.

440 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:58:26am

re: #438 tfc3rid

It would help in the clean department if someone would remove that whatever it is on the side of his nose,,, it appears to be growing exponentially with his angst.

441 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:58:49am

re: #426 tfc3rid

Sarah Palin is in the Dems head... I love it...
Liked Biden yesterday saying that Hillary Clinton might have been a better pick for Veep than he...

that was yet another amazing gaffe, or, a silent signal flag to the enemy, where the positions are to send in the artillery...

442 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:59:08am

re: #432 Wyatt Earp

Barack Obama has a better plan to capture Osama bin laden than John McCain. At leastthat's what Philly "conservative" talk show tool Michael Smerconish thinks.

I friggin' hate that guy.

You can't capture someone who's pushing up poppies.

443 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:59:20am

re: #436 NC State of Mind

Hats off to MSNBC for replaying live coverage of 9/11. I know some can't bear to relive the day, but I feel it is important for us to do so. We have been kept safe, more or less for seven years, and it is natural human tendency for vigilance to wane. Mine has. I have become steadily more complacent and comfortable as it sometimes seems we are no longer threatened here at home. But we must watch this footage and empathize with ourselves of seven years ago. We must re-feel what we felt then, because, God knows the attitudes and feelings of our enemies have not changed in seven years. If anything, their hatred has grown.

Though seven years have passed, the situation is no less urgent or perilous, and the price of failure carries no smaller risk today than it did seven years ago.

Excellent statement! I think the airing of 9/11 as it happened should be required viewing... The media should not push it aside... Not even to 'protect' the children... Too bad they don't run it in Prime Time when even MORE could see it... I've actually never watched it as I was in the office when it happened and never have seen live coverage...

444 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:59:56am

re: #442 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You can't capture someone who's pushing up poppies.

I'd love to see some proof, though. Like his head. And personally, I'd like to see it two days before the election.

445 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:59:58am
446 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:00:00am

re: #438 tfc3rid

Maybe he should have been talking about those nice Indians who work at 7-11 or something...

He always gets them mixed up with the nice Indians who own the casinos.

447 UFO TOFU  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:00:12am

Free speech in LA.

448 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:00:25am

Good Morning Lizards..
This is just a drive by post this morning.. I'm going to pick up my dad and head to the golf course.
Jorline..My thoughts are with you..be safe!
Prayers go out to all the victims and thier families this day.
May God Bless America!

449 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:00:35am

re: #440 tradewind

It would help in the clean department if someone would remove that whatever it is on the side of his nose,,, it appears to be growing exponentially with his angst.

Who? Obama? That was distracting watching his interview with O'Reilly...

Speaking of that interview I have seen it all and think Bill could have hit him harder but it was the most difficult interview Obama has ever faced and he really looks like a not ready for prime time player...

450 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:01:00am
451 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:01:28am

re: #441 Vergeltung

It might have been a Biden-typical clumsy way of acknowledging his friendship with HRC, and groveling at the feet of her PUMAs for support.

452 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:01:40am

re: #396 buzzsawmonkey

Truly an ugly soul.

453 sparrowlake  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:01:49am

re: #323 Pshawalaw

'Sen. Obama, does your wife wear lipstick?'

Accompanied by background oinking. LOL.

454 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:01:51am

re: #446 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He always gets them mixed up with the nice Indians who own the casinos.

Ahhhhhhhh.... Gotcha...

BTW, we are at the dreaded '17 games to go' once again... Will we blow it again? Hope not... I just bought $2700 worth of playoff tickets...

455 laZardo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:02:26am

Gonna head to bed a little earlier tonight. Classes today run from 3-8:30 pm-ish.

I salute those who died (except the hijackers), particularly those who died trying to save people that day, and I proudly salute those who have worked and are currently working to prevent another major attack since.

456 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:02:36am

re: #440 tradewind

It would help in the clean department if someone would remove that whatever it is on the side of his nose,,, it appears to be growing exponentially with his angst.


I noticed on the O'Reilly interviews that thing had gotten bigger.

457 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:02:45am

re: #451 tradewind

It might have been a Biden-typical clumsy way of acknowledging his friendship with HRC, and groveling at the feet of her PUMAs for support.

Awkward though... I'd steer clear of that reminder why Obama screwed her and her supporters at all costs...

458 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:02:46am

ADM Mullins just quoted this from Colonel Joshua L Chamberlain at the Pentagon Ceremony:

"In great deeds something abides. On great fields something stays. Forms change and pass; bodies disappear, but spirits linger, to consecrate ground for the vision-place of souls. And reverent men and women from afar, and generations that know us not and that we know not of, heart-drawn to see where and by whom great things were suffered and done for them, shall come to this deathless field to ponder and dream; And lo! the shadow of a mighty presence shall wrap them in its bosom, and the power of the vision pass into their souls."

Speaking at the dedication of the Monument to the 20th Maine
October 3, 1889, Gettysburg, PA

459 williwonka  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:02:51am

Would a Biden withdrawal for health reasons and his replacement by Hillary be positive or negative for Obama?

If the "health" angle is played convincingly the error and do over aspect would probably be minimized.

Hillary might even win the V.P. debate.
It would slow the move of her supporters to the Republicans.
It would generate a new p.r. surge for Obama.
It would take the air out of Palin's tires, increasing gas consumption and the price of oil, damaging the economy and thus help the Democrat party in two ways.

460 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:03:03am

re: #409 nyc redneck

Beautiful words-thoughtful, heartfelt sentiments. Thank you.

461 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:03:09am

re: #442 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You can't capture someone who's pushing up poppies.

I wonder if Adam Gadahn has joined him. that story of him falling off the radar has really put the hook in me.

I have a theory that he was either killed (but then they'd celebrate him as a martyr, no?), or so severely wounded that he can not do voice or camera stuff.

Or (and this is the worst), that he has gone underground, perhaps with the aid of some plastic surgery, to work some kind of evil actions upon the west.........

462 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:05:00am

re: #454 tfc3rid


BTW,
we are at the dreaded '17 games to go' once again... Will we blow it
again? Hope not... I just bought $2700 worth of playoff tickets...

How many seats does $2700 get you?

463 HDrepub  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:05:09am

re: #445 taxfreekiller

Piggyboated.

now belongs to littlegreenfootballs

All your Piggyboats are belong to us.

464 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:05:22am

re: #461 Vergeltung

I wonder if Adam Gadahn has joined him. that story of him falling off the radar has really put the hook in me.

I have a theory that he was either killed (but then they'd celebrate him as a martyr, no?), or so severely wounded that he can not do voice or camera stuff.

Or (and this is the worst), that he has gone underground, perhaps with the aid of some plastic surgery, to work some kind of evil actions upon the west.........

Yeah, I bet they have "great" plastic surgeons in them caves along the Afghan/Pakistan border. I wonder if they take Blue Cross Blue Shield?

465 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:05:39am

re: #410 Ward Cleaver

Trying to pull their ratings out of the dumper.

Isn't it interesting that they know how to cover news objectively when they're not trying to affect public opinion?

Says a lot about what they're doing most of the time.

466 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:05:46am

re: #449 tfc3rid

Yes. Sorry to be so superficial, but what the hell... it's a ten minute office procedure, he has a bandaid for a week, big deal.
Or is he that vain?
Looks as if Obama is suffering from an intrinsic MacCluhan-esque flaw: he is just too 'cool' a persona for television, which is a very warm medium. That's why the camera loves Palin.... she crackles, Obama simmers.

467 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:05:46am

re: #436 NC State of Mind

Hats off to MSNBC for replaying live coverage of 9/11. .


I agree. I think we need to be reminded more often of that horrible frightening day. Thank God for the leadership of President Bush that day.

468 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:05:47am

re: #462 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

2 seats for 10 postseason games...

469 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:06:40am

re: #464 Nevergiveup

Yeah, I bet they have "great" plastic surgeons in them caves along the Afghan/Pakistan border. I wonder if they take Blue Cross Blue Shield?

They have HillaryCare!

470 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:06:42am

re: #435 Karridine

I'm for it, but no 'e'...

Piggy-Boarded works for me

471 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:06:55am

re: #466 tradewind

Yes. Sorry to be so superficial, but what the hell... it's a ten minute office procedure, he has a bandaid for a week, big deal.
Or is he that vain?
Looks as if Obama is suffering from an intrinsic MacCluhan-esque flaw: he is just too 'cool' a persona for television, which is a very warm medium. That's why the camera loves Palin.... she crackles, Obama simmers.

He certainly did not like being challenged and was backed into a corner on a few things... He certainly got very nervous when O'Reilly was questioning him on his connections...

472 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:07:15am

re: #464 Nevergiveup

Yeah, I bet they have "great" plastic surgeons in them caves along the Afghan/Pakistan border. I wonder if they take Blue Cross Blue Shield?

well, all joking aside, who knows where he could have traveled to for the surgery.... I don't think it's a point for humor, actually. meh.

473 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:07:24am

re: #457 tfc3rid

Well there ya go: Awkward is Biden's middle name.

474 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:07:49am

re: #459 williwonka

Both, but in differing degrees...

It would be seen by his supporters as a 'fortuitous, lucky and unplanned opportunity', to bring Hillary aboard Obama's rapidly-sinking ship...

It would be seen by most of America as desperation, gutlessness and another slimy move by Obama...

And there's MANY reasons to think Hillary would say "Take your daub and shove it!"

475 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:08:18am

re: #447 UFO TOFU

Free speech in LA.


I live in LA, and yes, you are quite right. It is a one-party town, very corrupt, and very broken. To all those libs who think having the democrats in power is a good thing, we just need to remind them of the problems in LA and California. Broken governments. Decaying cities. And worse.

476 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:08:27am

re: #450 taxfreekiller

You go, Miss Piggy, ram him "aft".


1,000 updings + 500 Quatloos.

477 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:08:32am

re: #470 Piglet-U93

Your avatar could use a little touch of lipstick.

478 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:08:50am

Bush is up at the Pentagon - C-SPAN

479 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:09:01am

re: #471 tfc3rid

Oh, sorry... I don't mean cool as in ' as a cucumber'. I mean his media aura, or whatever you call it, comes across as distant and unwelcoming, no matter what he is saying.
Yes, he can get rattled. The debate format should be good for that, as well.

480 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:09:24am

Sorry y'all - had to step away for a minute - if anyone addressed a comment to me, I'm gonna go back and try to find it.
Never Forget.
Never Forgive.

481 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:09:29am

re: #454 tfc3rid

Ahhhhhhhh.... Gotcha...

BTW, we are at the dreaded '17 games to go' once again... Will we blow it again? Hope not... I just bought $2700 worth of playoff tickets...


Hope your teams wins.

482 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:09:38am

re: #474 Karridine

Both, but in differing degrees...
It would be seen by his supporters as a 'fortuitous, lucky and unplanned opportunity', to bring Hillary aboard Obama's rapidly-sinking ship...
It would be seen by most of America as desperation, gutlessness and another slimy move by Obama...
And there's MANY reasons to think Hillary would say "Take your daub and shove it!"

at this point, Hillary would be a fool to accept the VP slot. She knows the ship is listing badly to port, that the rudder is snapped off, and the currents are sending the ship right to the coral reef @ 20 knots.....

483 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:09:46am

POTUS up! at the Pentagon Ceremony...

484 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:10:15am

re: #477 redstateredneck

Your avatar could use a little touch of lipstick.

LOL

485 UFO TOFU  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:10:19am

re: #475 Golem Akbar
I was hoping you were around. Do you vote for the Mayor there, or is he elected by the city council?

486 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:10:20am

re: #477 redstateredneck

Your avatar could use a little touch of lipstick.

No thanks, straight male here :)

487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:10:22am

re: #468 tfc3rid

2 seats for 10 postseason games...

Good seats?

I'm going to the Phils game tonight after work

488 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:11:16am

re: #423 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You ah thru talkin'!

489 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:11:29am

Listening to the reading of names
One says "I represent my country Iran" I gasp

490 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:11:41am

Miss Piggy on a Harley


50,000 Harleys for McCain-Palin

491 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:11:43am

re: #472 Vergeltung

There is a thriving plastic surgery tourism business that Americans are increasingly taking advantage of.... Indonesia, and India are favorite destinations, along with countries in Central and South America. Scary to me, but the price is about twenty cents on the dollar. They must have some competent surgeons to attract so much business.

492 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:12:04am

Today is a day to reflect and remember. Remember that 19 Al Queda highjackers murdered almost 3,000 Americans and citizens of over 90 other countries in the world. To this day it still makes me angry, as it should for anyone who saw what transpired.

I'm so sick of hearing about "all who died" when they were most distinctively murdered in cold blood.

I did a quick look at websites. Yahoo has a story about remembering September 11th at the top of the page. Wikipedia's featured article is about United Flight 93, and they have the WTC ruins as the featured picture at the bottom of the front page. Even MSN has stories about September 11th ont he main page. Yet Google has jack shit. It's their same multicolored logo as they have everyday that's not a communist holiday.

If you are a new lizard, I sincerely urge you to read Tilly's Story. Even if you are not, read it again.

And I found a new story out about an air traffic controller who had to deal with Flight 93. It's most interesting, as he has never spoken publically before.

This is not a day to crawl into a hole and cry, but rather, be angry at what was done by these Islamic terrorists, remember how the Palis and other muslims celebrated the murder of these folks, and remember the heroism of those on Flight 93 when they decided to fight back.

493 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:12:15am

re: #470 Piglet-U93

Piggy-Boarded works for me

OOH, Yass! :D

/fist-pumps air furiously!


"Obama Being Piggy-Boarded!"

"Stop the Torture! Let Obama Win! He DESERVES to be president!"

"Piggy-Boarding Obama: The Exclusive Pix!" (Only available on Fox News!)

494 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:12:16am

re: #461 Vergeltung

Or (and this is the worst), that he [Adam Gadahn] has gone underground, perhaps with the aid of some plastic surgery

You can put lipstick on a pig...

495 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:12:42am

re: #437 Golem Akbar

In the links, I posted the odds from In-trade about Biden getting booted in favor of Hillary. There actually is a betting line on it. heh

Just remember that about a week ago the left was commenting regularly on how long it might be before McCain was forced to dump Palin.

I said then that it was projection and that it was therefor more likely that it would turn out to be Obama dumping Biden.

I'm just going to keep watching.....

496 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:12:49am

re: #491 tradewind

There is a thriving plastic surgery tourism business that Americans are increasingly taking advantage of.... Indonesia, and India are favorite destinations, along with countries in Central and South America. Scary to me, but the price is about twenty cents on the dollar. They must have some competent surgeons to attract so much business.

Ah, you can have my place in line.

497 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:13:43am

re: #458 John Gibbon

ADM Mullins just quoted this from Colonel Joshua L Chamberlain at the Pentagon Ceremony:

"In great deeds something abides. On great fields something stays. Forms change and pass; bodies disappear, but spirits linger, to consecrate ground for the vision-place of souls. And reverent men and women from afar, and generations that know us not and that we know not of, heart-drawn to see where and by whom great things were suffered and done for them, shall come to this deathless field to ponder and dream; And lo! the shadow of a mighty presence shall wrap them in its bosom, and the power of the vision pass into their souls."

Speaking at the dedication of the Monument to the 20th Maine
October 3, 1889, Gettysburg, PA

Wow, that sends shivers down my spine. Just imagine being there on that day in 1889, and hearing those words spoken. Just wow.

498 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:14:00am
at this point, Hillary would be a fool to accept the VP slot. She knows the ship is listing badly to port, that the rudder is snapped off, and the currents are sending the ship right to the coral reef @ 20 knots.....

Yeah, the Dems choose Barry over her. Obama choose Biden over her. Now that the ship is sinking, they will suddenly discover a "health issue" with Biden, then nicely ask the Queen to come on board? She should tell them the f*ck off.

Besides, she is set up for 2012.

499 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:14:01am

re: #491 tradewind

There is a thriving plastic surgery tourism business that Americans are increasingly taking advantage of.... Indonesia, and India are favorite destinations, along with countries in Central and South America

It's huge in Argentina. Check into an international-chain hotel in Buenos Aires (Hilton, Four Seasons, etc.), flip open that book of local attractions they always leave in your room, and it's filled with English-language ads for "medical spas".

500 rain of lead  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:14:10am
501 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:15:03am

re: #393 taxfreekiller

Sweet. Good morning, TFK. Keep it up.

Like that.

502 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:15:29am

re: #458 John Gibbon

ADM Mullins just quoted this from Colonel Joshua L Chamberlain at the Pentagon Ceremony:

"In great deeds something abides. On great fields something stays. Forms change and pass; bodies disappear, but spirits linger, to consecrate ground for the vision-place of souls. And reverent men and women from afar, and generations that know us not and that we know not of, heart-drawn to see where and by whom great things were suffered and done for them, shall come to this deathless field to ponder and dream; And lo! the shadow of a mighty presence shall wrap them in its bosom, and the power of the vision pass into their souls."

Speaking at the dedication of the Monument to the 20th Maine
October 3, 1889, Gettysburg, PA

I just realized that that speech was given the day before my grandfather was born. Spooky.

503 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:15:44am

re: #497 Ward Cleaver

Wow, that sends shivers down my spine. Just imagine being there on that day in 1889, and hearing those words spoken. Just wow.

How about being at the Pentagon Today and hearing those words again...hard to concentrate here today.

504 rain of lead  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:16:02am
505 Iron Fist  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:16:27am

I don't know about you all, but I am still angry. I'm not just angry at Osama bin Dead and his al Qaeda cohorts, but at all the Mohammedans who celebrated and supported these attacks worldwide. And it is not a "tiny minority" of Mohammedans who supported them.

I'm also angry at the appeasers. The people who would roll over on their backs and piss on themselves to beg the Mohammedans to forgive us for daring to be free. Theirs is, at best, a willful ignorance that borders on criminal negligance. The Mohammedans don't want our appologies; they want us to surrender.

That ain't happening. Not ever.

506 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:16:35am

re: #487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Good seats?

I'm going to the Phils game tonight after work

Upper box seats near 3B... They aren't bad. Pretty much got season tickets to get priority at Citi Field next year... Will get my relocation call next week on that one...

507 beblebrox  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:16:36am

Does anyone plan anything special today to memorialize the attack? I am planning on replaying the coverage while having a few private toasts.

508 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:16:57am

I see Secretary Gates handed over his arm sling to Former Secretary Rumsfled...what irony

509 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:17:03am

Well y'all - sorry but I have to go - taking Mom to hospital for some tests.
Hope you all have a good day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

510 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:17:09am

re: #485 UFO TOFU

I was hoping you were around. Do you vote for the Mayor there, or is he elected by the city council?


Good morning. We vote directly for Mayor. The choices are rarely good. We had a marginally okay Mayor a few years ago, Richard Riordan, a Republican, who tried to reform City Hall, but actually made things worse, more political, and opened the door for more graft. Plus the fact that the Unions and largest newspaper (LA Times) are all one huge mind-think. The mayor is supposed to be a non-partisan position, but our Mayor is (or was) a politically rising star in the Democratic Party. Until he got caught with his pants down (he got caught cheating on his wife with a local TV reporter).

511 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:17:31am

re: #503 John Gibbon

...hard to concentrate here today.

Indeed.

512 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:17:42am

re: #417 taxfreekiller

"Miss Piggeyboated"

Is that copyrighted?

513 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:18:08am

re: #507 beblebrox

Does anyone plan anything special today to memorialize the attack? I am planning on replaying the coverage while having a few private toasts.

I'm working, but those toasts will come later tonight, guaranteed

514 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:18:21am
515 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:18:36am

re: #492 Honorary Yooper

A first officer (now captain) at the airline I flew for was on ANG duty that day, and was one of the planes that were scrambled. He and his fellow NG pilot followed/shadowed Flt 93, filled with fear because he knew that his orders to protect the WH at all costs meant that he could have to obey a shoot down order. He confessed to our pilot group and many others that he talked to that he was relieved, as smuch as horrified, to see 93 go down.
That there are still people who don't believe what happened to Flt 93 boggles the mind when there are eyewitnesses walking and talking.

516 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:19:06am

re: #495 eschew_obfuscation

Just remember that about a week ago the left was commenting regularly on how long it might be before McCain was forced to dump Palin.

I said then that it was projection and that it was therefor more likely that it would turn out to be Obama dumping Biden.

I'm just going to keep watching.....

Good catch. I wouldn't have believed it, if you said Biden might not stay on the ticket, last week. Now, I don't know.

517 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:19:13am

re: #497 Ward Cleaver

Wow, that sends shivers down my spine. Just imagine being there on that day in 1889, and hearing those words spoken. Just wow.

Imagine being there on Little Round Top, when Chamberlain and the 20th Maine SAVED the entire Union left flank, and perhaps even the Union, with Chamberlain's brilliant maneuver!

/took 400 Alabamians prisoner along with about 50 Texans!

518 rain of lead  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:20:11am
519 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:20:23am

re: #516 Golem Akbar

Has that ever happened before? A candidate bumped from a ticket in mid (or nearing the end) of a campaign?

520 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:20:46am

Little Dana just got a new bench.

521 rain of lead  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:21:16am

for the heros,

American soldier

522 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:21:18am
523 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:21:37am

re: #516 Golem Akbar
You don't get to do doovers when you are POTUS. If biden leaves and the One chooses a woman, people will see right through that.

Sad day.
Never Forget 9/11

524 formercorpsman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:21:38am

I have some words for today, perhaps coming from a different place now 7 years removed from this day.

Driving in this morning, listening to my usual out of Philly, (WMMR) and they were doing their own tribute. Moment of silence.

I made sure to remember everyone. I don't ever want to forget that moment.

Something else struck me during the silence in the car. I'll admit it, my eyes teared up.

I thought about President Bush. During the dead air, I thought about him, a new President, tasked with an event of such magnitude few ever see, let alone must bear the burden of. I recalled him on the rubble, with the megaphone, the world's eyes upon him, his country significantly wounded.

Early on, our country is largely united. We want retribution, the dogs of war are barking.

Fast forward just 2 years. A significant portion of our nation is still with him, in the fight, recognizing, our challenges still need to be met.

Despite the obvious things we here point out on a daily basis, hindsight always being 20/20, we are still on the offensive. We have gone back to living life almost normally ever since.

President Bush, nearing completion of his 2nd term, in my opinion, would have every reason to be bitter, and depart good riddance to so many in this country who have found it easier to demonize him, and find sympathy for those who fly loaded airliners into skyscrapers.

I teared up because, I know myself. Would I be able to maintain my pride, my dignity. my composure under the circumstances? I don't think I can answer yes to that question. 20 years from now, I think what we will find, is that he was an honorable man, kept his promise to his country, and was true to his oath of office.

525 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:23:11am

re: #522 taxfreekiller

The Path to 9/11

Never forget.


Wonder if that movie will ever be released on DVD?

526 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:23:18am

re: #519 WriterMom

Has that ever happened before? A candidate bumped from a ticket in mid (or nearing the end) of a campaign?

No and it will not happen here, that would be suicide for the campaign.

527 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:23:42am

re: #524 formercorpsman

I know I look forward to his memoir and reading his true feelings...

528 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:23:46am
529 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:24:08am

re: #519 WriterMom

Just Eagleton, but that was early on.
Today, I doubt it would even be grounds for dumping.
Biden stays, unless he comes out with something so egregious that it can't be explained away.
Or, heaven forbid, his aneurysm fires up again. And no one wants that..... he's a doofus, but
he seems like a decent guy.

530 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:24:32am

Never Forget


/Don't Mess With The U.S.

531 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:24:56am

re: #519 WriterMom

Has that ever happened before? A candidate bumped from a ticket in mid (or nearing the end) of a campaign?

Laughtenberg parachuted in to replace Toricelli after the legal deadline passed. The partisan NJ Supreme Court let it happen.

532 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:25:20am

re: #524 formercorpsman

I have some words for today, perhaps coming from a different place now 7 years removed from this day.

Driving in this morning, listening to my usual out of Philly, (WMMR) and they were doing their own tribute. Moment of silence.

I made sure to remember everyone. I don't ever want to forget that moment.

Something else struck me during the silence in the car. I'll admit it, my eyes teared up.

I thought about President Bush. During the dead air, I thought about him, a new President, tasked with an event of such magnitude few ever see, let alone must bear the burden of. I recalled him on the rubble, with the megaphone, the world's eyes upon him, his country significantly wounded.

Early on, our country is largely united. We want retribution, the dogs of war are barking.

Fast forward just 2 years. A significant portion of our nation is still with him, in the fight, recognizing, our challenges still need to be met.

Despite the obvious things we here point out on a daily basis, hindsight always being 20/20, we are still on the offensive. We have gone back to living life almost normally ever since.

President Bush, nearing completion of his 2nd term, in my opinion, would have every reason to be bitter, and depart good riddance to so many in this country who have found it easier to demonize him, and find sympathy for those who fly loaded airliners into skyscrapers.

I teared up because, I know myself. Would I be able to maintain my pride, my dignity. my composure under the circumstances? I don't think I can answer yes to that question. 20 years from now, I think what we will find, is that he was an honorable man, kept his promise to his country, and was true to his oath of office.


Thank you, tears in my eyes.

533 UFO TOFU  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:25:41am

re: #510 Golem Akbar
Yeah, that scandal went away pretty quickly, didn't it. A lot of us out here in the IE think he has his eye on Arnold's office.

534 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:25:59am

re: #519 WriterMom

Has that ever happened before? A candidate bumped from a ticket in mid (or nearing the end) of a campaign?


I believe it has. In presidential elections. Thomas Eagleton was dumped by George McGovern for VP in 1972. There may be other times, too, but I only just remember that one. [good morning to you]

535 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:26:29am

Sorry if already discussed - no time to read thread

I'm I the only one who thinks that Barak's comment on Letterman about McCain being the "pig" and Palin being the "lipstick" was just as bad as the original gaffe?

536 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:26:42am

re: #525 newsjunkie_ky

Wonder if that movie will ever be released on DVD?

Disney keeps stalling & finding excuses to not release it. In a similar vein, HBO has never released Path to Paradise, the story of the 1993 WTC attack, on DVD. I'm still clinging bitterly to my VHS copy.

537 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:26:51am

My colleagues who perished on 9-11.

I also remember those who survived from our sales office in Tower 2. A person who was there in 1993, told them to all get out despite the instructions to stay put. But the horrors they saw on leaving the building will live with them forever.

538 bosforus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:27:26am

"Commemorating" 9/11 like only the Koks can:
9/11 – Years of Republican Policy Failed the Nation
Bush marks Sept. 11 with moment of silence

So, Bush spent the seventh anniversary of 9/11 doing just what he did the morning of the attacks.

Sitting on his ass doing nothing.


9/11 Official Story BOGUS
Putting 9/11 Into Perspective

September 11, 2001 = 2,998 killed cite
2008 Sichuan, China Earthquake = 70,000+ killed cite
2004 Boxing Day Tsunami = 230,000 killed cite

Compared to these two more recent disasters, 9/11 seems pretty tame in terms of casualties.

Please do not confuse the stench of these diaries with my own scent.

539 jcbunga  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:27:46am

re: #461 Vergeltung

I wonder if Adam Gadahn has joined him.

With any luck, the fat bastard saw his own image in a mirror, thought it was 400 pounds of shredded pork, made a lunge and was impaled on the shards of glass, where he rots to this day. F'ing traitorous hippie mutant dog.

Just throwing that out there.

540 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:27:50am

re: #523 newsjunkie_ky

You don't get to do doovers when you are POTUS. If biden leaves and the One chooses a woman, people will see right through that.

Sad day.
Never Forget 9/11

I just can't see Obama opting for Hillary, unless he is very desperate. And I can't see her agreeing to it, either, taking the #2 spot. [never forget 9/11]

541 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:27:50am

re: #524 formercorpsman

nicely said. I have always respected Pres Bush for solid leadership during tough times. what more can you want?

542 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:27:54am

re: #536 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Part of the MSM coverup for the clintons.

543 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:27:56am

Its hard for me to write just now. I came from a small ceremony with our local police and firefighters; one played the National Anthem on his guitar for us.

My nic says it all for me today.

544 mattm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:28:41am

2nd tower collapses....

545 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:29:00am

re: #537 jill e

My colleagues who perished on 9-11.

I also remember those who survived from our sales office in Tower 2. A person who was there in 1993, told them to all get out despite the instructions to stay put. But the horrors they saw on leaving the building will live with them forever.

My God.

I am so sorry for your loss.

546 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:29:06am

re: #535 jamgarr

Sorry if already discussed - no time to read thread

I'm I the only one who thinks that Barak's comment on Letterman about McCain being the "pig" and Palin being the "lipstick" was just as bad as the original gaffe?

He's just making it worse. heh

547 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:29:10am

re: #535 jamgarr

I think his big mistake was not jumping all over his supporters who cheered the remark. I took it the way he says he meant it... didn't think he meant Palin, but his ignorant morons in the crowd who cheered did, and he should have shut them down. Then he should have shut up.

548 williwonka  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:29:30am

re: #482 Vergeltung

While I understand your point about Hillary being a fool to accept at this point, it may be impossible for her to refuse the V.P. spot and still maintain any future presidential hopes.

549 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:29:44am

re: #528 taxfreekiller

Have to add Reagan the the Beirut marine casualties.

Also have to add GHWB, his friendship with the Saudis, his letting the first Iraq war get going, and then letting 150,000 (?) Shiites get killed in Iraq after the first gulf war.

Let's not make this more partisan than it is, or simpler than it is. Let us face our lessons, and learn them.

550 1SG(ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:29:58am

Today of all days leaves me with little to say, but much to remember and forever shed tears for.

Anger is but a small part of my feelings on this date.

Top

551 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:30:22am

re: #539 jcbunga

good thoughts.

552 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:30:24am

re: #546 Golem Akbar

He's just making it worse. heh


I agree. He has no gaffedar!

553 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:30:26am

re: #535 jamgarr

Sorry if already discussed - no time to read thread

I'm I the only one who thinks that Barak's comment on Letterman about McCain being the "pig" and Palin being the "lipstick" was just as bad as the original gaffe?

The coverup is always worse, and his denial is a blatent lie.

554 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:30:26am

re: #540 Golem Akbar
I don't think Hillary would accept. She sees the writing on the wall. Why jump on a sinking ship.

555 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:30:35am

re: #524 formercorpsman

Wish I could up-ding that many more times!

556 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:30:39am

re: #538 bosforus

The Daily Kos. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

557 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:31:39am

re: #547 tradewind

I think his big mistake was not jumping all over his supporters who cheered the remark. I took it the way he says he meant it... didn't think he meant Palin, but his ignorant morons in the crowd who cheered did, and he should have shut them down. Then he should have shut up.


Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

558 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:31:40am

re: #535 jamgarr

Sorry if already discussed - no time to read thread

I'm I the only one who thinks that Barak's comment on Letterman about McCain being the "pig" and Palin being the "lipstick" was just as bad as the original gaffe?

Did he really make that point? That might be worse...

559 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:31:46am

re: #547 tradewind

I think his big mistake was not jumping all over his supporters who cheered the remark. I took it the way he says he meant it... didn't think he meant Palin, but his ignorant morons in the crowd who cheered did, and he should have shut them down. Then he should have shut up.


It would've been over. Now it will not go away, ever. Dumb dumb for him.

560 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:31:55am
561 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:32:29am

re: #548 williwonka

While I understand your point about Hillary being a fool to accept at this point, it may be impossible for her to refuse the V.P. spot and still maintain any future presidential hopes.

nah, no way. trust me, when this fake communist fails, hillary & co will be the white night, from Dec. 2008 till election day 2012, riding in to save the day.

562 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:32:29am

It's the smoke. Still leaves me slack-jawed in horror and amazement, even today as I watch it on the television.... the huge, angry, incredibly overwhelming and engulfing sky full of smoke.
Flying into NYC these days, when I do, the hole is still gaping in my mind, and I still see all that smoke from the harbor.

563 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:32:47am

For those watching MSNBC, this was the point where I was starting to really wonder when it would end. How many more attacks that day?

Two WTC Towers
Pentagon

Media reporting a bomb at the state dept (turned out to be false)
At lease one more plane headed to DC
Unknown how many more planes were out there

564 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:32:55am

re: #535 jamgarr

Sorry if already discussed - no time to read thread

I'm I the only one who thinks that Barak's comment on Letterman about McCain being the "pig" and Palin being the "lipstick" was just as bad as the original gaffe?

It certainly keeps it alive. Obama really is stupid and David Plouffe isn't far behind.

565 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:32:57am

re: #554 newsjunkie_ky

I don't think Hillary would accept. She sees the writing on the wall. Why jump on a sinking ship.


Right. She and Bill must be having a grand ol' laugh righ about now.

566 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:33:02am

re: #558 tfc3rid

Did he really make that point? That might be worse...

McCain's policies are the pig, officially.

But that's pig sh8t.

567 rain of lead  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:33:19am

For the ones we lost.

Amazing Grace (bagpipes)

568 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:33:54am

re: #556 Honorary Yooper

Oh yeah you will.... DU. Makes DailyKos look like Amy Vanderbilt. Markos at least fakes an attempt to rein in his minions when they get too obvious. DU just says let'er rip.

569 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:33:59am

I think Obama should stick to the teleprompter.

Lesson for you Dems (and Republicans). Chose someone tested and seasoned. This isn't amateur hour.

570 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:34:00am

re: #524 formercorpsman

Amen brother.

571 astroturf  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:34:15am

Interesting. Google celebrates a particle accelerator but not 9/11. No surprise. Situation normal.

572 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:34:33am

re: #563 Dave the.....

At least one other plane in the air that landed before it could be hijacked.

At least one other hijack crew on the ground that was delayed or rescheduled or something.

IIRC

573 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:34:58am

re: #567 rain of lead

For the ones we lost.

Amazing Grace (bagpipes)


There goes my composure...

574 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:35:00am

re: #565 Golem Akbar

Right. She and Bill must be having a grand ol' laugh righ about now.

they are loving it, don't you doubt that for one nano-second. Clinton, Inc., is working in the background as well, I am sure.....

575 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:35:09am

re: #571 astroturf

You're not surprised are you?

576 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:35:18am

re: #571 astroturf

May they be sucked into a virtual black hole.....

577 HDrepub  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:35:18am

re: #524 formercorpsman

President Bush, nearing completion of his 2nd term, in my opinion, would have every reason to be bitter, and depart good riddance to so many in this country who have found it easier to demonize him, and find sympathy for those who fly loaded airliners into skyscrapers.

I suppose if I were W, I would give a farewell speech that goes something like this:
The events of my Presidency were thrust upon me, and I did what I thought was right for America, even at great political risk to myself and my party. I did not create a dangerous international situation but merely responded to one to the best of my ability. For that 70% of America of which I don't meet your approval, SCREW YA'LL, I'm gone to Texas.

But that's just me.

578 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:35:24am

re: #563 Dave the.....

For those watching MSNBC, this was the point where I was starting to really wonder when it would end. How many more attacks that day?

Two WTC Towers
Pentagon

Media reporting a bomb at the state dept (turned out to be false)
At lease one more plane headed to DC
Unknown how many more planes were out there

Like I said before we in our office here were hearing that a plane was enroute to the Indian Point Nuclear Plant in upstate NY, as well as toward the Empire State Building... I was preparing myself to die that day...

579 Neo_  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:35:24am

Semantics lesson of the day

Bob Woodward: ‘I never found a Democrat who wanted to lose the Iraq war’

O’Reilly: When you were researching the book, there has been a fissure in America politically between the Democratic and Republican parties, about Iraq, and it seems to me in some -- and I’m not saying this about Barack Obama. I’m not. I want to make that clear. Some Democrats actually wanted America to lose that war because it makes the Democratic Party stronger. Did you find any of that?

Woodward: No. I don't think they wanted to lose. I think they wanted to get out. They felt.

O’Reilly: Wouldn’t that have been a loss?

Woodward: Pardon?

O’Reilly: Wouldn’t that have been a loss if we had cut and run from there?

Woodward: It looks like it would have been. And it’s very interesting. There was a big debate about this issue, you’ll recall, in 2007. Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, actually said we had lost the war.

O’Reilly: Yes. Murtha did, too.

Woodward: I asked President Bush about this. I said, ‘Did you ever talk to Senator Reid about this?’ And President Bush said no. I said, ‘Were you shocked that a majority leader in the Senate would say this?’ And the president said, ‘Nothing shocks me in Washington,’ and then went on to say that one of his, President Bush’s, failures has been to not change the tone in Washington.

The Democrats were credited, correctly, as having lost the Vietnam War.
They don't want to lose another war, but are willing to lose another war if it gets them to their next place.

I guess the best metaphor is taking medicine that has a horrible taste.
You don't want to take the medicine, but you are willing to take the medicine to get well.

580 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:35:25am

re: #558 tfc3rid

Did he really make that point? That might be worse...


He really did - and it was very stupid. It wasn't his explanation for his comment (he's sticking to the "totally inocuous" theme) but he said that if he had meant it as an analogy McCain would be the pig and Palin the lipstick! As I said above, he has no gaffedar!

581 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:35:25am

re: #547 tradewind

I think his big mistake was not jumping all over his supporters who cheered the remark. I took it the way he says he meant it... didn't think he meant Palin, but his ignorant morons in the crowd who cheered did, and he should have shut them down. Then he should have shut up.

He should have never said it. Because the word "lipstick" had become so associated with Palin, he should have known that people would take it that way.

582 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:35:31am

re: #539 jcbunga

You got an up-ding for that one!

583 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:35:51am

re: #574 Vergeltung

Fist- bumps!

584 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:36:20am

re: #583 tradewind

Fist- bumps!

Hey, this is a family blog.

585 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:36:26am

re: #549 itellu3times

Have to add Reagan the the Beirut marine casualties.

Also have to add GHWB, his friendship with the Saudis, his letting the first Iraq war get going, and then letting 150,000 (?) Shiites get killed in Iraq after the first gulf war.

Let's not make this more partisan than it is, or simpler than it is. Let us face our lessons, and learn them.

We were flying air support for the Marines in Beruit, we arrived shortly after the bombing(detour to Grenanda) almost every night those guys came under some sort of attack we would launch air support but they could not do anything without orders from Washington.
We had two carrier groups operating off of the coast. We could have taken care of any threat with no problem.

586 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:36:30am

The Pentagon Memorial is very nicely done.

587 hazeleyes  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:36:35am

For today's laugh, go over to Hot Air and read the article by Wendy Doniger. Wow! Major lib derangement and then over 200 comments taking her to task. I didn't see a single comment supporting her screed.

588 CIA Reject  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:37:06am

Drive by post for 9/11/2008:

G*d rest Officer George Howard, Firefighter Drew "Bronc" Pearsall, and 342 other Brothers.


My own personal memory of That Day:

I stopped at Mercy Hospital on Long Island when I got off from work because I wanted to donate blood which I thought would be needed in the rescue effort. The nurse told me I could not donate because they had had so many donors during the day that they had run out of collection bags. They had called other hospitals for bags but there was not a single bag to be had in the entire tri-state area.

It was at that moment I knew that, whatever kind of war this was, we would win it because our enemy would never have such a problem.

/G*d bless all who live in the the light and may His Angels cast into Hell Satan and all the Evil spirits who wander about the world seeking the ruin of souls.

589 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:37:24am

re: #562 tradewind

It's the smoke. Still leaves me slack-jawed in horror and amazement, even today as I watch it on the television.... the huge, angry, incredibly overwhelming and engulfing sky full of smoke.
Flying into NYC these days, when I do, the hole is still gaping in my mind, and I still see all that smoke from the harbor.


My daughter was living in NYC during 9/11 (upper west side). We went about a week and a half later (had already bought tickets months earlier in a planned visit).

You could still smell the smoke, the concrete, and the rubble was several stories high. The area was in ruins. Every fire station had flowers and cards in front, from people thanking the firefighters and honoring their deaths and bravery. Rudy Giulliani went to St. Patricks constantly, throughout the day for funerals. When he got out of his car, traffic would stop, people would stop, and sometimes clap for him. It was quite moving.

590 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:37:42am

re: #535 jamgarr

Sorry if already discussed - no time to read thread

I'm I the only one who thinks that Barak's comment on Letterman about McCain being the "pig" and Palin being the "lipstick" was just as bad as the original gaffe?

To be fair, he apparently said:

"Keep in mind, technically, had I meant it this way, [Palin] would be the lipstick. The failed policies of John McCain would be the pig, just following the logic of this illogical situation," Obama said.

So the quote is to the effect McCain's policies are the pig, not McCain himself. Of course the quote is kind of odd.... "had I meant it this way"... so, what DID you mean?

591 opnion  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:37:42am

Good Morning. There are some very interesting posts on this 9/11.
I am having lots of thoughts , but a couple of thoughts persist, the Muslim street celebrations all over the world and even here.
I recall my anger when some Imam wrote that this is a teachable moment. Americans can now learn more about Islam. I think I learned when the planes slammed the Towers.

592 BaseballMom57  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:37:43am

re: #52 Sharmuta

I'm speechless. And that is saying a lot.

593 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:37:49am

bbl. gotta get to my courtroom....

594 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:38:05am

re: #577 HDrepub

I suppose if I were W, I would give a farewell speech that goes something like this:
The events of my Presidency were thrust upon me, and I did what I thought was right for America, even at great political risk to myself and my party. I did not create a dangerous international situation but merely responded to one to the best of my ability. For that 70% of America of which I don't meet your approval, SCREW YA'LL, I'm gone to Texas.

But that's just me.

I know that on January 20, 2008 if he has to greet the Obama's at the door of the White House, I will cringe and cry...

595 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:38:11am

re: #338 Pshawalaw

I need to get on with things, so I'll leave you with this thought:

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND 226 YEARS OF FREEDOM.

DOH! I am not even going to look below to see what, well-earned, derision my math error has heaped upon myself; suffice it to say that I am quite embarrassed that arithmetic is beyond my ability. 2008 less 1776 + 232, thus, I should have written:

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND 232 YEARS OF FREEDOM!

596 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:38:49am

re: #584 Lively
/Thwack/
(That's really a stretch.).....

597 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:38:50am

re: #548 williwonka

Hillary Clinton's presidential future becomes brighter with a BO flameout, as long as she remains a respectful supporter, yet maintains prudent distance away from the stink of failure. A BO victory makes her eight years older before her next legitimate run. A loss prunes BO's blossom from the bush, leaving all the 2012 fertilizer for Hillary.

598 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:38:52am

Huge steel I-beam less than a foot away from my window.

599 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:39:09am

There were also reports of smoke from an explosion on the capital mall in DC (also turned out to be false), but gives you an idea of the confusion.

600 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:39:16am

re: #571 astroturf

Interesting. Google celebrates a particle accelerator but not 9/11. No surprise. Situation normal.

Regarding particle accelerators...

Europe's particle collider is Texas' lost opportunity

WAXAHACHIE – Scientists fired up one of the world's biggest and most expensive experiments Wednesday in Switzerland – a 17-mile, $8 billion racetrack for protons that they hope will solve many of mankind's mysteries.

Where did we come from? How did the universe begin? How does the physical world work?

In Ellis County, the former home of a proton-accelerator project, politicians and others pondered an equally vexing question: What went wrong?

The SSC would have been three times larger than the LHC.

601 Lively  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:39:17am

re: #596 tradewind

:)

602 jacksontn  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:39:36am

re: #40 ploome hineni

Hot Air has an intresting take on Obama's "lipstick pig" reference targeting Gov. Palin

and his history of sly vulgar disgusting slams at women

flipping Hillary the finger..........remember that?

and Michelle found these, which I had never seen

Obamais one deliberate fookin slick sonofabitch

She forgot one - at one of his rallys he played this little Jay Z tune:

99 Problems and a Bitch ain't One

/nice fella that Obama

603 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:39:38am

re: #598 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Huge steel I-beam less than a foot away from my window.

Before complaining about the mote in my window, you should remove the I-beam from your own.

604 bosforus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:39:39am

re: #595 Pshawalaw

DOH! I am not even going to look below to see what, well-earned, derision my math error has heaped upon myself; suffice it to say that I am quite embarrassed that arithmetic is beyond my ability. 2008 less 1776 + 232, thus, I should have written:

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND 232 YEARS OF FREEDOM!

You don't have to be good at math to love America so you're off the hook. :)

605 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:39:44am

re: #567 rain of lead

For the ones we lost.

Amazing Grace (bagpipes)


Thanks, that gets me everytime.

606 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:40:22am

re: #492 Honorary Yooper

Yes and a thousand times yes to all you wrote!

I'm not forgetting this day, and will not forgive those who did it - those in the planes and all those who facilitated these attacks.

Above all - I shall never again believe a word which members of a certain religion say, privately or in public.

ROP?
You've had seven years to prove this to us - and you proved the exact opposite.

Hi, Lizards - it is a sad day, but we msut use our memories to work harder to never let this happen again, even if this means standing up to misguided and naive people of our own countries.

607 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:40:58am

re: #590 Occasional Reader


That just makes it more stupid IMHO. See my 580.

608 cblesz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:41:05am

Anyone see the intrade market odds yet? McCain is now 50.5, while Oslama is 49. Also, they have opened trading for "Joe Biden drops out of VP race"...

609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:41:19am

re: #589 Golem Akbar

My
daughter was living in NYC during 9/11 (upper west side). We went about
a week and a half later (had already bought tickets months earlier in a
planned visit).

You could still smell the smoke, the concrete,
and the rubble was several stories high. The area was in ruins. Every
fire station had flowers and cards in front, from people thanking the
firefighters and honoring their deaths and bravery.

I too went to Ground Zero a week & half after 9/11 & that's what struck me.

610 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:41:44am

re: #599 Dave the.....

There were also reports of smoke from an explosion on the capital mall in DC (also turned out to be false), but gives you an idea of the confusion.

I also remember hearing that a) the Old Executive Office Building was on fire, and b) the Hay-Adams Hotel was on fire.

611 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:41:50am

re: #597 Pullus Iulius

Hillary Clinton's presidential future becomes brighter with a BO flameout, as long as she remains a respectful supporter, yet maintains prudent distance away from the stink of failure. A BO victory makes her eight years older before her next legitimate run. A loss prunes BO's blossom from the bush, leaving all the 2012 fertilizer for Hillary.

Well said, in a nutshell.

612 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:41:52am

re: #589 Golem Akbar

My daughter was living in NYC during 9/11 (upper west side)


My oldest son had just graduated from Ole Miss and settled in NYC two weeks before.... had an appointment at WTC at ten am that morning. It was cancelled.

613 rain of lead  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:41:56am

aftermath.
(or what happins when you piss us off!)

614 opnion  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:42:23am

re: #595 Pshawalaw

Bet ya know how many states there are, & you are not even running for president as God.

615 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:42:40am

Back then, about this time, I made preparations to go to work (I am medical personnel) and I weighed whether to wear scrubs for the ride in. My family discussed it. Although they grant me quick access, they also make me a target. We decided I should wear them. I strapped gold to my body beneath them (I'm sorry, but my family has been in War.)

I took my own post, but my son, a surgeon, roamed NYC, begging his friends in ERs for work for him. There was none.

616 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:42:46am

re: #608 cblesz

Anyone see the intrade market odds yet? McCain is now 50.5, while Oslama is 49. Also, they have opened trading for "Joe Biden drops out of VP race"...


I posted a link (upside), earlier this morning.

617 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:42:51am
618 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:43:13am
619 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:43:38am

re: #578 tfc3rid

Like I said before we in our office here were hearing that a plane was enroute to the Indian Point Nuclear Plant in upstate NY, as well as toward the Empire State Building... I was preparing myself to die that day...

We were wondering a similar thing as we have two nuclear power plants nearby; Exelon's Braidwood and Dresden. We had heard rumors of a plane being sent to the Sears Tower, and others of heading to the John Hancock Center (even more worry as it is the tallest residential building in the US).

The big question on everyone's minds was "what's next?".

I still remember talking down a neighbor in front of my house. She was talking about the neighbors at the end of the street and how she didn't trust those "[bigoted word]s". I had to correct her, and remind her that the neighbors were Hispanic and had a statue of Mary in front of their house. She shut up after that.

620 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:43:40am

New motivator.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

621 Alouette[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:43:59am
622 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:44:16am

May we never forget 9/11, and may we never forget the lessons the attacks should have taught ALL Americans.

Sadly, too many in this great nation have forgotten. They'd rather blame Bush, the Republican Party and the Joooooos, and claim we 'deserved' these horrific attacks. Jackasses.

623 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:44:51am

re: #22 RTLM

Mohamed Mostafa El-Baradei : "My work is done"

It's about time. John Bolton for IAEA Chief!

624 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:44:54am

re: #609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The smell... that's what got me the most. And it hung over Lower Manhattan not just for a few days or a few weeks after the attacks, but for months. It took months for the fires at Ground Zero to be extinguished. It had a sharp metallic smell that I will never forget.

625 2by2  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:46:04am

Morning all from NYC

remembering 9/11/01
10:05 AM south tower
10:28 AM north tower
5:20 PM # 7

626 coz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:46:06am

Good Morning and Happy Almost-Friday from the Land of Coz!

627 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:46:49am

re: #622 right_wing2

May we never forget 9/11, and may we never forget the lessons the attacks should have taught ALL Americans.

Sadly, too many in this great nation have forgotten. They'd rather blame Bush, the Republican Party and the Joooooos, and claim we 'deserved' these horrific attacks. Jackasses.

In general they are called Democrats or Progressives.

628 red131  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:46:50am

May God Continue to Bless and protect America. Interesting article:
[Link: www.nypost.com...] May Obama and his socialist agenda never get as far as the Oval office. He strikes fear in my heart.

629 thepoguemahone  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:47:01am

ALERT!

NY Daily News today has an advertisement on page 43 for the book

Prior Knowledge of 9/11 - the complete story on 9/11
The most complete book to date on how and why powerful groups at the CIA and FBI Headquarters allowed the al Queda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11

www.eventson911.com

Palo Alto Publishing - 650 533 5595


This is in the New York Daily News! Today - 9/11

As thousands gather to honor the dead - New Yorks self described "Hometown Paper" is advertising a troofer book

Mort Zukerman is the publisher and the Daily News management should be held accountable

Whats next - a Holocaust Denial ad?

This is a disgrace and I hope LGF starts the ball rolling on getting this retracted and those responsible fired

630 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:47:31am

re: #586 newsjunkie_ky

The Pentagon Memorial is very nicely done.

I plan to visit it later this evening on my way home...it is even more impressive at night with the blue klieg lights illuminating the side of the Pentagon.

631 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:47:48am

re: #572 itellu3times

At least one other plane in the air that landed before it could be hijacked.

At least one other hijack crew on the ground that was delayed or rescheduled or something.

IIRC

I recall there was a fifth plane that landed before it got highjacked and then the passengers were all let go and we lost the chance to arrest a number of highjackers at least that is what I remember.

632 Ward Cleaver[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:47:52am
633 coz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:47:56am

Word of the Day
Thursday September 11, 2008

evanescent ev-uh-NES-unt, adjective:
Liable to vanish or pass away like vapor; fleeting.

634 daughter of patriots  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:48:03am
635 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:48:05am

re: #629 thepoguemahone

I find it very hard to read the NY Daily News anymore.

636 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:48:09am
637 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:48:39am

re: #624 lawhawk

The smell... that's what got me the most. And it hung over Lower Manhattan not just for a few days or a few weeks after the attacks, but for months. It took months for the fires at Ground Zero to be extinguished. It had a sharp metallic smell that I will never forget.

I even recall that awful smell up here in Midtown... It permeated the streets...


I also remember, no honking car horns, no aggressive taxi driving... So different... Parallel universe...

638 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:48:45am

re: #624 lawhawk

The smell... that's what got me the most. And it hung over Lower Manhattan not just for a few days or a few weeks after the attacks, but for months. It took months for the fires at Ground Zero to be extinguished. It had a sharp metallic smell that I will never forget.


It was incredible. I've never experienced anything like it. What sticks in my mind are all the flowers, notes, and photographs left in front of the NYC firestations. I was really moved by the gratitude shown to Fire and Police, too, for their bravery.

639 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:49:18am

re: #625 2by2

Morning all from NYC

remembering 9/11/01
10:05 AM south tower
10:28 AM north tower
5:20 PM # 7

Yes, I believe those are the corrrect times that the charges went off...

/sad sarc but too many believe it is fact...

640 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:49:19am

re: #619 Honorary Yooper

Re: about the neighbor, she didn't say "Arabs", she used a slur regarding their headgear. I distinctively remember that.

641 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:49:35am

We rcieved orders not to leave our Firetrucks unattended.There were reports of attempted thefts.Firetrucks could pass through any checkpoint with just a wave through.
We recieved these orders even though we are smack in the middle of the country and a long wat from ground zero.Thats how crazy that day was and just how unsure any of us were of just how many attacks we would take.

642 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:49:54am

re: #608 cblesz

Anyone see the intrade market odds yet? McCain is now 50.5, while Oslama is 49. Also, they have opened trading for "Joe Biden drops out of VP race"...

InTrade is blocked here.....where is Biden trading?

643 Orbit Rain  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:50:08am

"Every action of our lives touches on some chord that will vibrate in eternity."

...a good reminder to be ever vigilant of one's own thoughts.

644 opnion  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:50:29am

I caught a little of Anderson Cooper last night on CNN.
They were waiting for Sarah Palin to land in Alaska & the cameras were viewing the runway.
David Gergen could not have been more snarky, "why are we awaiting the arrival of a VP candidate? This is Bizzare" he continued "She is shining now, but she will fade out," Stll not done,"I see a teleprompter. Can she handle this without one?'
This is a former Republican, with a very bad hair do..

645 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:50:29am

re: #599 Dave the.....

I saw a retrospective (from a CBC program) the other day...and yes, there was chaos (as the CBC kept playing up) and the fighter planes were sent out far too late (weren't scrambled or notified in a timely fashion). Yet, there are other possible scenarios (which, Thank G-d, did not transpire) -- so suppose there had been an early notification re: the military...and suppose they had an overly itchy trigger finger...in other words, an innocent airliner carrying hundreds of passengers (not terrorist related) could have been brought down by an interceptor's mistake. That didn't happen...(largely due to the incredibly wise, smart decision to ground all passenger planes on 9/11). In other words, there was chaos, and then there's real chaos...(which could end up with the "good guys" doing damage...but, again, that didn't happen).

646 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:50:32am

Meanwhile, 2 Russian bombers have landed in Venezuela as part of military ops by the Russians.

The Venezuelan leader said the two Russian Tu-160 bombers will conduct maneuvers and that he hopes to "fly one of those things" himself.

Russian military analysts said it was the first time Russian strategic bombers have landed in the Western Hemisphere since the Cold War. The provocative foray into Venezuela was certain to add to the strain in American-Russian relations created over Russia's war in Georgia.

[T]hugo hopes to fly one of those bombers? One could only hope.

647 Iron Fist  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:50:40am

re: #618 ploome hineni

Indeed. There was nothing President Bush could do to change the tone in Washington. He tried the bi-partisan bullshit, working with Teddy Kennedy on the "No Child Left Behind" legislation, and really gave Kennedy carte blanche on it. This is used by the Leftists as an example of how "bad" Bush is.

Bluntly, the Democrats took any effort to work with them as a weakness, and demonized Bush from the get gowithout mercy or any regard for the facts. I hope we Republicans have learned from the mistakes of the Bush administration, and give no quarter to Obama should he win the election this year.

648 coz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:51:26am

Stuff:

President George Washington created the Order of the Purple Heart in 1782. It's a decoration to recognize merit in enlisted men and non-commissioned officers.

President Lincoln proclaimed the first national Thanksgiving Day in 1863.

Richard Nixon was the 1st US president to visit China in February, 1972.

Roman coins have been dug up in America, suggesting that perhaps the Vikings or Columbus weren't the first Europeans to visit the New World. The coins were found in locations as far afield as Texas, Venezuela and Maine. One stash was found buried in a mound in Round Rock, Texas. The mound is dated to approximately 800 A.D. In the town of Heavener, Okla., a bronze tetradrachm bearing the profile of Emperor Nero was found in 1976. The coin was originally struck in Antioch, Syria, in 63 A.D.

Seven of the eight US Presidents who have died in office - either through illness or assassination - were elected at precisely 20-year intervals.

The "Spruce Goose" flew on November 2, 1947, for one mile, at a maximum altitude of 70 feet. Built by Howard Hughes, it is the largest aircraft ever built, the 140-ton eight-engine seaplane, made of birch, has a wingspan of 320 feet. It was built as a prototype troop transport. Rejected by the Pentagon, Hughes put the plane into storage, never to be flown again.

The 1st 20 African slaves were brought to the US, to the colony of Virginia in 1619, by a Dutch ship.

The 1st nuclear-powered submarine, the Nautilus, commissioned by the United States Navy in 1954, made her maiden voyage on Jan. 17, 1955.

The 1st US federal holiday honoring Martin Luther King, Jr. was in 1986.

The 1st US federal legislation prohibiting narcotics (opium) was enacted in 1909.

The 1st US federal penitentiary building was completed at Leavenworth, Kansas in 1906.

The 1st US Minimum Wage Law was instituted in 1938. The minimum wage was 25 cents per hour.

The ancient Egyptians slept on pillows made of stone.

The Black Death reduced the population of Europe by one third in the period from 1347 to 1351.

The Colosseum has long been known as a site of Christian martyrdom. It was converted into a shrine as early as the sixth century and still serves as the venue for the Vatican's Good Friday services. However, there is no evidence that Christian persecutions ever took place in the Colosseum.

The dollar was established as the official currency of the US in 1785.

The Emperor Caracalla--a tyrant remembered for slaying his brother and building the extravagant Baths of Caracalla--was murdered by his own guards while he was relieving himself. That may be where the phrase "caught with your pants down" comes from.

The first coin minted in the United States was a silver dollar. It was issued on October 15, 1794.

The first country to abolish capital punishment was Austria in 1787.

The first losing candidate in a US presidential election was Thomas Jefferson. He lost to John Adams. George Washington had been unopposed.

649 willowone  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:51:34am

Soo, i see another U.K Guardian writer infers white trash votes is why Palin was "chosen" [Link: www.heathermallick.ca...]


Is this how Dems think they can WIN an election?
the bus now has, bible, torahs, israelis, grammas, mothers,women ,our private choice of our uterus) children,Half the voters), white men, tan men, law,and trashcans . can we please find a tank to roll over these creeepy left shmucks .

650 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:51:56am
651 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:52:45am

re: #638 Golem Akbar

Some of those notes and impromptu memorials have popped up again around Ground Zero this morning. I'll probably head over to the ceremonies during lunch and report back...

652 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:52:55am

re: #646 lawhawk

Meanwhile, 2 Russian bombers have landed in Venezuela as part of military ops by the Russians.


[T]hugo hopes to fly one of those bombers? One could only hope.

Not a real threat, everyone move along please...

653 cblesz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:53:00am

re: #642 eschew_obfuscation

7.6...I think it is hilarious as they did it to Palin. i can certainly see a scenario where Biden is ill and needs to drop out with Hillary jumping in. But, if it continues to go as poorly for the ONE then I think Hillary would decline so she could run in four years.

654 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:53:12am

re: #633 coz

Word of the Day
Thursday September 11, 2008

evanescent ev-uh-NES-unt, adjective:
Liable to vanish or pass away like vapor; fleeting.

Also a good name for a goth-rock band ;~)

655 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:53:35am

Good morning, September 11th.

May our hearts be filled with righteous resolve, not shallow vengeance.

656 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:53:40am

re: #652 tfc3rid

Not a real threat, everyone move along please...

How do you know what are in those bombers?

657 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:53:46am

How 'bout we avoid posting crap about the 9/11 terrorist attacks from DKOS and other loons.

Boker effen Tov

658 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:53:46am

re: #637 tfc3rid

re: #624 lawhawk

Don't take this the wrong way-certainly not in a macabre sense, but I wanted to be up there in New York, with Yorkers so badly. I guess I knew you guys would be doing good things in the wake of the event, and I had a sense of wanting to be there.

Who else remembers chearing their hearts out for the Yankees against the Diamondbacks?

659 coz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:53:59am

/singing and skipping in circles...

ploome, ploome, ploome!

{ploome}

660 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:54:05am

re: #579 Neo_

Semantics lesson of the day

. . .

I guess the best metaphor is taking medicine that has a horrible taste.
You don't want to take the medicine, but you are willing to take the medicine to get well make the other guy sick!

Fixed that for ya, Neo

661 rain of lead  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:54:10am

re: #613 rain of lead

aftermath.
(or what happins when you piss us off!)

I am done with tears and sadness
" I fear we have awoken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve"

these vids remind me that when you call the might of the U.S. Military
down upon your sorry asses.....well...

I really like vid #4
watched it twice..... feeling better now.

662 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:54:20am

re: #647 Iron Fist

Indeed. There was nothing President Bush could do to change the tone in Washington. He tried the bi-partisan bullshit, working with Teddy Kennedy on the "No Child Left Behind" legislation, and really gave Kennedy carte blanche on it. This is used by the Leftists as an example of how "bad" Bush is.

Bluntly, the Democrats took any effort to work with them as a weakness, and demonized Bush from the get gowithout mercy or any regard for the facts. I hope we Republicans have learned from the mistakes of the Bush administration, and give no quarter to Obama should he win the election this year.

President Bush will loook like a genious when the Congress has to do something in an emergency regarding Social Security... He was out ahead of this when it was unpopular... Retirees who may rely on the program will suffer through the consequences of not enacting reform under his watch...

663 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:54:33am
664 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:55:01am

re: #631 Piglet-U93

Here is the 9/14/2001 CBS article on Flight 23 that never took off and the 3 missing suspects.

665 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:55:46am

re: #656 Nevergiveup

How do you know what are in those bombers?

I was being sarcastic... It would not shiock me if it were a lovely gift for Hugo... With some residuals for the Castro brothers...

666 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:56:02am

And remember, if terrorism doesn't do us in, THIS WILL:

hee • lar • i • ous [he-lair-ee-uhs] - noun
extremely funny, completely soft
shoes for babies 0-6 months
designed to look like high heels

Generation Ho

667 willowone  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:56:03am

re: #652 tfc3rid
my response to chavez and putin is Yank this!

668 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:56:08am

re: #650 ploome hineni

I know it's a crock. We've had small attacks sicne then. Fortunately, we have had no big attacks within the US.

669 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:56:29am

Last night an episode of Family Guy featured a crash-landing of "Flight 37" followed by a recreation of the grade-school announcement to President Bush complete with the deer-in-the-headlights look. My first thought was: "Wow, too early"! My next thought was: "It'll always be too early". I regularly cringe at some of the stuff on that show but it can be funny. I'll never watch it again.

670 Orbit Rain  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:56:50am

US 'provoked Russia-Georgia war'

lol...I don't Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov could come off looking like a Russian stooge any more than he did...petty wargamers want to make war on people that don't want to fight...

simple minds...that don't fool anyone

671 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:57:04am

re: #648 coz

President George Washington created the Order of the Purple Heart in 1782. It's a decoration to recognize merit in enlisted men and non-commissioned officers.

IIRC, they're still operating on the post WWII inventory of Purple Heart medals. The inventory was so large because of anticipated injuries in the planned invasion of the Japanese mainland......the need for which was obviated by the dropping of two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

672 sidtara  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:57:19am

If I could vote for W again I would.

George W Bush: Keeping you safe whether you like it or not.

673 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:58:09am

re: #672 sidtara

If I could vote for W again I would.

George W Bush: Keeping you safe whether you like it or not.

He will not be appreciated in his time. But eventually it will happen.

674 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:58:14am

re: #664 Piglet-U93

Here is the 9/14/2001 CBS article on Flight 23 that never took off and the 3 missing suspects.

I had never heard that...

I see that Biden's name is on on some quotes in there... Move along, nothing to see here...

675 BaseballMom57  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:58:33am

I definitely remember this day seven years ago as well. My two sons were getting ready for school and I was getting ready for work...the news was on. We all stood in front of the TV, watching the replay of the first plane hitting the tower. Then, the second. I was in tears, and my youngest kept staring at me asking, "What's wrong Mommy?".

People were actually jumping from the windows, the reporter said, and I was stunned, frozen in my shoes.

Then, all the air was sucked out of the room when the first tower collapsed. I collapsed to my knees and sobbed, "All those Moms and Dads!" I have no idea why I thought of that specifically - odd, isn't it? I just immediately thought of all the children who had been left off at school, preschool, or babysitters, who were totally unaware at that moment they had just lost one (or in some cases both) parents.

My oldest hugged me, and my youngest had his arms around my legs. I wish there was a photo of that, to be honest. There's one in my head, though.

God bless America, and may the families of the victims be comforted this day by our prayers.

676 joncelli  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:59:06am

re: #22 RTLM

Really? When did it start?

677 lurking faith  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:59:52am

My thanks, again, to all those who answered the call 7 years ago, and to all who continue to protect us today.

678 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:00:09am

re: #658 NC State of Mind

re: #624 lawhawk

Who else remembers chearing their hearts out for the Yankees against the Diamondbacks?

I remember when President Bush gave his first address to the nation on Sept. 20th, the Flyers & Rangers were playing an pre-season game. The game stopped, everyone watched the speech, and when the speech was over, both teams skated to center ice, shoke hands & left it at a 2-2 tie. In David Frum's book, he recalls President Bush saying, "when I heard they stopped a hockey game in Philadelphia, I knew that I had the American people on board."

679 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:00:12am

re: #671 eschew_obfuscation

IIRC, they're still operating on the post WWII inventory of Purple Heart medals. The inventory was so large because of anticipated injuries in the planned invasion of the Japanese mainland......the need for which was obviated by the dropping of two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And the moonbats who whine about the lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan also bitch that we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We saved more lives by dropping the bomb on those two cities than we would have by invading the home islands.

Geeze, I hate moonbats.

680 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:00:57am

re: #630 John Gibbon
I would love to see it. One day perhaps.
Wish I could be there today.

When you go this evening, think of us here at LGF.
We are there with you in spirit.

681 sidtara  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:01:56am

re: #673 Golem Akbar

I appreciate him now, even though I didn't vote for him in 2000. My family plans to send him a very heartfelt thank you letter included in this year's Christmas card.

682 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:02:34am

If you go to Ground Zero you MUST go to the memorial in the adjacent old church. You will never forget it.

683 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:03:27am

re: #680 newsjunkie_ky

I would love to see it. One day perhaps.
Wish I could be there today.

When you go this evening, think of us here at LGF.
We are there with you in spirit.

At least there IS a memorial at the Pentagon... Our memorial here in NYC will happen God knows when...

684 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:03:40am

re: #589 Golem Akbar

I didn't make it into Manhattan on 9/11/01. The cops already had sealed it off to cut off any escaping terrorists. (Giuliani had worked for years to train NYC's emergency responders in what to do in the event of a terrorist attack. The cops had sniper teams covering all the bridges and tunnels.) Under the circumstances, that probably was a blessing. There are few words to describe that day except "long nightmare". The teachers at the high school were pulling kids out of class all day to tell them their parents, who worked in the Twin Towers, were missing. Twelve of my friends and neighbors. Joe Leavey, an off-duty FDNY lieutenant with Ladder 11, who drove all the way down to the scene when the alarm came in, was one. A year later, the N.Y. Times published a transcript of his final radio communications. He was leading his men up the stairwell to the Sky Lobby when the tower came down. There were wounded people there whom he wanted to evacuate.

I did go into Manhattan the following day, although not downtown. You could smell the smoke everywhere, like a gigantic electrical fire. You didn't even want to think about what was in the ash.

Ten days later, I ventured downtown with some friends to pay my respects. It was as you've described it. I swore that I always would stand up thereafter, no matter how long the odds.

G-d bless the emergency responders, the victims, their families, and our troops!

685 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:03:52am

re: #669 jamgarr

Last night an episode of Family Guy featured a crash-landing of
"Flight 37" followed by a recreation of the grade-school announcement
to President Bush complete with the deer-in-the-headlights look. My
first thought was: "Wow, too early"! My next thought was: "It'll always
be too early". I regularly cringe at some of the stuff on that show but
it can be funny. I'll never watch it again.

I hate Seth McFarlaine. He was almost on a 9/11 flight, too, but that didn't open his eyes.

686 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:04:12am

3 Churches will be hosting DinnerJacket when he is in NY.

687 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:05:38am

i can't imagine what was going thru those people's minds who found themselves so high up on ledges, a raging inferno at their backs.
and the last decision they made in their lives was to jump.
i could see them toppling off. and they seemed to fall so slowly.
lots of silver debris floating down around them.
some went off together holding hands.

i was in a crowd of people. we were all crying.

688 formercorpsman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:06:42am

re: #686 Ben Hur

Which ones?

689 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:06:59am

Clinton Impeachment Precluded Forceful Response to Terrorism, Filmmaker SaysUtter BS.

Clinton didn't respond because he had spent his whole term tell Israel NOT to respond to terror.

He painted himself into a corner.

He had to show he could be an "honest broker" by not attacking Muslims.

He told Israel to only attack empty buildings, so he only attacked empty buildings.

He tried everything to avoid the "double standard."

690 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:07:01am

If Rudy Giuliani was not as strong and resolute on 9/11 as he was and his words got me to get myself out of bed and go into the office on 9/12, even just to be with other people, my life would certainly have been very dark...

691 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:07:23am

re: #588 CIA Reject

St. Michael the Archangel, be our safeguard.

692 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:07:45am

re: #686 Ben Hur

3 Churches will be hosting DinnerJacket when he is in NY.

Oh yeah, it just about UN General Assembly time again! YAY!

What, no Columbia or NYU? Is Hugo Chavez coming again too?

693 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:08:04am

re: #629 thepoguemahone

Good catch.

694 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:08:46am

re: #688 formercorpsman

Which ones?


I don't know the specific ones, but one of the denominations is Quaker.

It's going to be a "can't we all just get along" photo op.

695 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:08:46am

I'm going to work at the hospital now.
I thank you all for being here for me today.
Remember.
FB

696 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:09:26am

re: #686 Ben Hur

Which three?

697 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:10:01am

re: #650 ploome hineni

and Bush just said,it has been more than 2000 days and we have not again been attacked?

total crock..

the muslim who drove his SUV into a crowd of students

etc, etc

we are constantly under attack, from CAIR, Muslim Students

these Florida men stopped with explosives in their car

and dozens more I cannot rmemeber


I get his point and I get your point. But a whack job in a SUV is of a different caliber than something that requires planning.

Speaking of whack jobs, don't forget about the DC Sniper.

698 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:10:19am

re: #694 Ben Hur

I don't know the specific ones, but one of the denominations is Quaker.

It's going to be a "can't we all just get along" photo op.


But the photos will be shown in the Muslim world as, "Dhimmis kiss the @ss of our Dear Ahmadi-nejad!"

699 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:11:22am

How juicy will it be for the Dinnerjacket and Chavez to be in the US for the General Assembly and state their love for Obama?

700 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:11:37am

re: #682 jamgarr

You're referring to St. Paul's Chapel.

701 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:12:04am

I think Clinton got and is getting a free pass on his failure to protect the US.

702 Karridine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:12:52am

That SUV driver who burned himself to a slow death?

Yeah, I remember that LOSER! Typical Islamo-fascist splodey-dope! Bumbling and inept BECAUSE he's been filled with falsehoods about the real world and the humans who inhabit it!

703 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:12:53am

On the radio this morning, they had the Zogby minute which stated 51% of Republicans said The War on Terror is their #1 priority, whereas a mere 9% of Democrats said that was theres. In the total ranking of #1 issues for Democrats, TWOT was #7. That's expected and disappointing.

704 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:13:04am

re: #697 CommonCents

I
get his point and I get your point. But a whack job in a SUV is of a
different caliber than something that requires planning.

Speaking of whack jobs, don't forget about the DC Sniper.

DC sniper - John something-or-other, right? Began with an "m"?

705 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:13:16am

re: #700 lawhawk

You're referring to St. Paul's Chapel.

Yes I am. Have you been there?

706 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:13:46am

re: #687 nyc redneck

i can't imagine what was going thru those people's minds who found themselves so high up on ledges, a raging inferno at their backs.
and the last decision they made in their lives was to jump.
i could see them toppling off. and they seemed to fall so slowly.
lots of silver debris floating down around them.
some went off together holding hands.

These are the images that come in the night...

707 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:13:58am

re: #704 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

DC sniper - John something-or-other, right? Began with an "m"?


Malvo

708 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:14:06am

I've always believed the Al Qaeda conspiracy to seize jet aircraft on 9/11 was wider than we know. My Canadian cousins got on an aircraft in Toronto on 9/11 to fly to Calgary. When they opened the overhead bin, it was strewn with box cutters.

The flight attendants evacuated the aircraft.

709 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:14:11am

On 9/11/01 I was teaching and when classes changed another student ran in and said to turn on the TV (we all have tvs in our rooms) that a plane had hit a building in NYC. I thought he was just joking, but another student came in saying the same thing, and so I turned on the tv. I was in shock. The students were silent. We couldn't believe what was happening. Our headmaster told us we didn't have to teach, and I couldn't have--I just kept the TV on all day. My husband (then boyfriend) tried to call me but couldn't get through the school lines--tons of parents were coming to pick up their children. We live in a large military area, and many were afraid there would be an attack in our area. A friend's daughter worked near the WTC and a student's uncle worked in it--many stories like that.

Every year on 9/11 I talk with my students about it and have them write an essay about remembering 9/11. I tell them to talk to their parents about it as well. I don't want them to forget.

This morning we had a minute of silence at 8:47 am.

710 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:15:21am

re: #686 Ben Hur

3 Churches will be hosting DinnerJacket when he is in NY.

Which ones?

711 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:15:25am

Former Time Columnist Unveils New Obama Spokesman: Buckwheat

"Well," Buckwheat continued, "I fig'ud dat I dun seen 'bout everythin' when I seen de 'publicans turn a pregnant teenajuh 'n' huh baby daddy inter 'xampuls of healthy fam'ly values."

"You mean Gov. Sarah Palin's daughter, Bristol, and her boyfriend, Levi, who appeared at last week's Republican Convention" I said. "They're planning to get married."

"Yeah, dem," Buckwheat continued. "Kin you imagin' de hootin' 'n' hollerin' dem 'publicans wudder done if dat been one of Obama's kids? Dey sure wudn't have called her a chile of God!"

712 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:15:29am

re: #704 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

DC sniper - John something-or-other, right? Began with an "m"?

2 Johns, Malvo and Muhammad {spit }.

713 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:15:45am

re: #707 jamgarr

Malvo

Muhammed - Malvo was his son, I guess they would both count as "the sniper."

714 JohnAdams  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:16:00am

The farging Troofers still lurk, amazingly.
Whenever I confront one of these lunatics I tell them to go find the families of one of the poor people on those airplanes. Tell THEM that thoser airplanes were empty, or didn't exist, or were somehow driven into those buildings by suicidal CIA operatives. It never really works, though. They just flip the argument to one of their other "coincidences."

I mean really. Where are all the people who got on those airplanes? Having a grand old time living beneath the Rockies? Tell the son of somebody killed on Flight 77 that the airplane really did not crash into the Pentagon. Un-fricking-real the power of the Troofers childish self-deception.

715 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:16:12am

re: #694 Ben Hur

I think these churches which are obviously embroiling themselves neck deep into politics should have their tax exemptions revoked -- they should be bankrupted. The Feds should tax them out of existence (then distribute the proceeds to the victims of violence).

716 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:17:18am

re: #708 quickjustice

I've always believed the Al Qaeda conspiracy to seize jet aircraft on 9/11 was wider than we know. My Canadian cousins got on an aircraft in Toronto on 9/11 to fly to Calgary. When they opened the overhead bin, it was strewn with box cutters.

The flight attendants evacuated the aircraft.

I believe it was much larger but was stopped because the government closed the skies...

717 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:17:43am

re: #714 JohnAdams

The farging Troofers still lurk, amazingly.
Whenever I confront one of these lunatics I tell them to go find the families of one of the poor people on those airplanes. Tell THEM that thoser airplanes were empty, or didn't exist, or were somehow driven into those buildings by suicidal CIA operatives. It never really works, though. They just flip the argument to one of their other "coincidences."

I mean really. Where are all the people who got on those airplanes? Having a grand old time living beneath the Rockies? Tell the son of somebody killed on Flight 77 that the airplane really did not crash into the Pentagon. Un-fricking-real the power of the Troofers childish self-deception.


I've never had the pleasure of meeting a real troofer. Lucky for them I suppose.

718 Iron Fist  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:17:50am

re: #703 CommonCents

Winning wars is a Republican thing. Democrats prefer capitulation. They have since the '60's, anyway.

719 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:18:14am

re: #687 nyc redneck

I've always thought people jumped more out of wild panic than anything else. I also think many must have fallen, based on some photos I've seen that showed people crammed on top of each other trying to get some air at the windows.

720 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:18:15am

re: #713 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Muhammed - Malvo was his son, I guess they would both count as "the sniper."

Malvo was not his son. He was a kid Muhammed picked up and treated as his son.

721 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:18:18am

re: #705 jamgarr

re: #700 lawhawk

You're referring to St. Paul's Chapel.

Yes I am. Have you been there?

There's a great children's book called The Little Chapel that Stood by Curtiss that I highly recommend. It recalls the history of that church and recounts the events of 9/11 in as child-friendly a way as possible. Very much honors the first responders and victims.

722 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:18:20am

re: #705 jamgarr

I was there for the July 4th 4:00 a.m. tour of Revolutionary War sites in lower Manhattan. The area around City Hall in lower Manhattan is loaded with them.

723 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:18:33am

re: #705 jamgarr

Yes. I now work nearby.

724 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:18:40am

re: #714 JohnAdams

The farging Troofers still lurk, amazingly.
Whenever I confront one of these lunatics I tell them to go find the families of one of the poor people on those airplanes. Tell THEM that thoser airplanes were empty, or didn't exist, or were somehow driven into those buildings by suicidal CIA operatives. It never really works, though. They just flip the argument to one of their other "coincidences."

I mean really. Where are all the people who got on those airplanes? Having a grand old time living beneath the Rockies? Tell the son of somebody killed on Flight 77 that the airplane really did not crash into the Pentagon. Un-fricking-real the power of the Troofers childish self-deception.

If Flight 77 did not crash into the pentagon, tell me where Barbara Olson is...

725 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:19:39am

re: #722 quickjustice

I was there for the July 4th 4:00 a.m. tour of Revolutionary War sites in lower Manhattan. The area around City Hall in lower Manhattan is loaded with them.


Yes. The tombstones there are awesome.

726 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:20:26am

re: #716 tfc3rid
Hey my friend - as I mentioned above, on 9/11 after the two jetliners hit the towers and we heard about the Pentagon and that Flight 93 was "missing" I remember distinctly being concerned that more was coming.
I was pleasantly surprised that nothing else happened and was VERY GLAD to see the US Air Force Fighters flying over Manhattan!

727 outsidephilly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:20:34am

re: #675 BaseballMom57

I definitely remember this day seven years ago as well. My two sons were getting ready for school and I was getting ready for work...the news was on. We all stood in front of the TV, watching the replay of the first plane hitting the tower. Then, the second. I was in tears, and my youngest kept staring at me asking, "What's wrong Mommy?".

People were actually jumping from the windows, the reporter said, and I was stunned, frozen in my shoes.

Then, all the air was sucked out of the room when the first tower collapsed. I collapsed to my knees and sobbed, "All those Moms and Dads!" I have no idea why I thought of that specifically - odd, isn't it? I just immediately thought of all the children who had been left off at school, preschool, or babysitters, who were totally unaware at that moment they had just lost one (or in some cases both) parents.

My oldest hugged me, and my youngest had his arms around my legs. I wish there was a photo of that, to be honest. There's one in my head, though.

God bless America, and may the families of the victims be comforted this day by our prayers.

God, please continue to bless America . . . .

728 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:20:47am

re: #723 lawhawk

Yes. I now work nearby.


My daughter dances with Mark Morris. Ever see them?

729 Alouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:20:53am

Dec. 7, 1949: 8 years after Pearl Harbor

America was at peace
Germany, after being turned to smoking rubble, was being rebuilt OUR WAY
Japan, after being turned to smoking radioactive rubble, was being rebuilt OUR WAY

Today, 8 years after 9/11

We have a presidential candidate who is pandering to the assholes that attacked us.

730 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:21:17am

re: #697 CommonCents

I get his point and I get your point. But a whack job in a SUV is of a different caliber than something that requires planning.

Speaking of whack jobs, don't forget about the DC Sniper.

Au contraire, mon frere.

The same incitement, teachings from their spiritual mentors, propaganda, PR, justification and lies compell the whack job with Sudden Jihad Syndrome in exactly the same way as it does those who carry out more elaborate attacks, or decide to leave London, Paris, Germany, Belgium, etc to fight the infidel in Jihad.

731 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:21:19am
732 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:21:21am

re: #708 quickjustice

I've always believed the Al Qaeda conspiracy to seize jet aircraft on 9/11 was wider than we know. My Canadian cousins got on an aircraft in Toronto on 9/11 to fly to Calgary. When they opened the overhead bin, it was strewn with box cutters.

The flight attendants evacuated the aircraft.

I would not be suprised if they planned to do this on more than the 4 aircraft used. A plane leaving from Toronto would've been used to hit a target in Toronto or Chicago very easily, as well as New York or Washington, DC.

Thank goodness the FAA and its Canadian counterpart shut down the airspace.

733 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:22:28am

re: #715 J.S.

The United Church Social Justice Club of Canada comes to mind.

734 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:23:19am

{coz}!re: #682 jamgarr

If you go to Ground Zero you MUST go to the memorial in the adjacent old church. You will never forget it.

One of my pics from there.

735 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:23:22am

I'm finishing up my report on Ground Zero right now. Should have pics and slide show up shortly.

Effin troofers were out in force.

736 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:23:24am

re: #708 quickjustice

I've always believed the Al Qaeda conspiracy to seize jet aircraft on 9/11 was wider than we know. My Canadian cousins got on an aircraft in Toronto on 9/11 to fly to Calgary. When they opened the overhead bin, it was strewn with box cutters.

The flight attendants evacuated the aircraft.

That's scary. I've never heard that before.

737 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:23:55am

re: #729 Alouette

Indeed. Obama wants to convene a "conference" for Muslim leaders around the world to come to America, and discuss the sins of Amerikkka (tell the Muslims just how awful Amerikkka is and how wonderful Islam is, etc.) That's what Obama has repeatedly stated -- it's the FIRST THING OBAMA wants to do upon becoming President of the United States. (And people still wonder why HAMAS supports Obama?)

738 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:23:56am

re: #732 Honorary Yooper

I would not be suprised if they planned to do this on more than the 4 aircraft used. A plane leaving from Toronto would've been used to hit a target in Toronto or Chicago very easily, as well as New York or Washington, DC.

Thank goodness the FAA and its Canadian counterpart shut down the airspace.

Did Canada do a full shutdown of it's airspace? I thought that International Flights at least were still arriving?

739 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:25:04am

re: #686 Ben Hur

3 Churches will be hosting DinnerJacket when he is in NY.

Churches, or "Churches"?

740 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:25:25am

I've also wondered why the fact that there was a report detailing the lax security at the airport in Boston that was published prior to 9/11 never came up when Kerry was running for Pres.

741 Josephine  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:25:28am

Bye, folks. Time to get a late start on my day.

742 NC State of Mind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:25:36am

re: #729 Alouette

Not only is Obama pandering to those that attacked us, he no longer wants America to be a leader. Mark Levin commented that when JFK gave his Ich bin ein Berliner speech it was along the vein of "This is where America stands, if you want to join us, then get behind us and follow!" Obama more or less told the Europeans we wanted to join them.

"People of the world this is our time!"

/vomit

743 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:26:20am
744 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:26:24am

re: #717 CommonCents

The truthers were crawling all over Ground Zero last year. Several FDNY employees almost came to blows with them. They're really, really creepy.

745 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:27:34am

re: #742 NC State of Mind

Not only is Obama pandering to those that attacked us, he no longer wants America to be a leader. Mark Levin commented that when JFK gave his Ich bin ein Berliner speech it was along the vein of "This is where America stands, if you want to join us, then get behind us and follow!" Obama more or less told the Europeans we wanted to join them.

"People of the world this is our time!"

/vomit

And the 'citizens of the world' want Obama because he will take America from a leader to be more on par with the rest of the World's nations... You know the World feels we should be taken down a notch or two...

746 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:28:21am

re: #744 quickjustice

The truthers were crawling all over Ground Zero last year. Several FDNY employees almost came to blows with them. They're really, really creepy.

I'm sure the troofers would get their collective, socialist, marxist, Obama-ist asses kicked by the FDNY/NYPD...

747 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:28:32am

re: #719 Josephine

In a bad fire, when the choice is burn or jump, some people will choose to jump. I'm glad I didn't see it.

748 sparrowlake[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:28:39am
749 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:29:38am

re: #743 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, it doesn't suggest that necessarily.
Coins were difficult things to make; not only were the dies handmade
(naturally), but the coins were hand-struck. Making blanks and
re-making dies, which wore out rapidly, required a lot of effort. Roman
coins remained in circulation for hundreds of years after the Roman
empire vanished, merely because they existed and provided a reasonably
reliable standard. Since coins were often "clipped" (i.e., their edges
cut or shaved by people looking to accumulate their own hoards of
precious metal while passing the coin on at face value), the money paid
out for large purchases was usually weighed-
-so the fact that a silver
coin was hundreds of years old offered no barrier to it being accepted
as specie. BTW, the milling or knurling on the edges of coins was
instituted to combat the practice of clipping.

Which is why quarters & dimes have reeded edges - so clipping would be obvious to see.

The Maria Therese thaler, first issued in the 1700s, is still in circulation around the world.

750 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:29:39am

re: #746 tfc3rid

I'm sure the troofers would get their collective, socialist, marxist, Obama-ist asses kicked by the FDNY/NYPD...

"Help, I'm bein' oppressed!"

/ow

751 victor_yugo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:29:48am

re: #744 quickjustice

The truthers were crawling all over Ground Zero last year. Several FDNY employees almost came to blows with them. They're really, really creepy.

Let ordinary rum-dums who weren't anywhere near the flights' ends take on that battle.

And there will be much rejoicing.

752 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:30:23am

re: #743 buzzsawmonkey
Hey buzz - thanks for such an informative post! Lot's of things I never knew before!

753 Sparkizzy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:30:25am

Dude, I'm getting a Dell. My PC just fried. Nice to know they (still) use Americans with names like Paul Horton for sales, even if I had to be transfered twice by Punjab and his sister.

754 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:30:36am

re: #738 Nevergiveup

Did Canada do a full shutdown of it's airspace? I thought that International Flights at least were still arriving?

IIRC, they allowed international flights to land in BC, NS, NF. I think they also closed down their internal airspace that day as well.

755 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:30:44am

My oh my, Stinky's on the case.

Calm down, sparrowlake.

/whatever it was you said

756 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:31:45am

Palestinians celebrating the fall of the twin towers on 911

WWI. Fought with the Ottomans. Palestinian Jews, with the British.
WWII. Fought with the Germans. Palestinian Jews, with the Allies.
Cold War. Sided with the Soviets. Israeli Jews, with the West.
War on Terror. Please see above.

It's time finally for the victors to impose a peace deal on the defeated.

757 victor_yugo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:31:46am

Let us also remember, with gratitude, our thousands of Canadian neighbors who took in our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers, and cared for them as their own when we were unable to.

758 bosforus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:31:57am

re: #736 Josephine

That's scary. I've never heard that before.

Excuse me butting in but here's an article about it.
[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

759 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:32:16am

re: #738 Nevergiveup

Here's a chronology of events re: Sept. 11, 2001 (Canada's response.)

760 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:32:17am

re: #730 Ben Hur

Au contraire, mon frere.

The same incitement, teachings from their spiritual mentors, propaganda, PR, justification and lies compell the whack job with Sudden Jihad Syndrome in exactly the same way as it does those who carry out more elaborate attacks, or decide to leave London, Paris, Germany, Belgium, etc to fight the infidel in Jihad.

I'm not saying his motive is any different. But to prevent the lone muslim from acting out his SJS is almost impossible, whereas a coordinated planned attack that requires timing, resources, etc is what the Pres was referring to. And no, we have not had a large scale, organized attack since 9/11/01.

761 sparrowlake  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:32:24am

re: #743 buzzsawmonkey

Anyway, given that Roman coins were certainly still in circulation at the time of the Vikings, and possibly even still in use as late as the early stage of Spanish colonization. Their presence in the New World, therefore, does not necessarily indicate that any Europeans crossed the Atlantic prior to the Vikings--though it is possible.

Roamin' coins?

762 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:32:47am

re: #757 victor_yugo

Let us also remember, with gratitude, our thousands of Canadian neighbors who took in our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers, and cared for them as their own when we were unable to.

Yes, they were very kind and hospitable. Thanks, Canadians!

763 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:32:49am

Good morning, Lizards! Pray for me, for this day I must go out among moonbats, troofers, and other assorted dementeds, which will require that I resist an almost overwhelming impulse to pummel them.

764 JohnAdams  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:33:05am

re: #738 Nevergiveup

I believe the Canadian people in several areas welcomed stranded travelers for several days as U.S. airspace was closed.

I also remember the eerie silence in the skies that week from lack of overhead aircraft heading into our airport. Occasionally a military aircraft. It felt almost apocalyptic.

765 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:34:17am

re: #754 Honorary Yooper

IIRC, they allowed international flights to land in BC, NS, NF. I think they also closed down their internal airspace that day as well.

Those were the weirdest eight days. Looking up in the sky and not seeing a single plane. Eerie.

766 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:34:37am

re: #763 rawmuse

Courage!

767 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:34:56am

re: #764 JohnAdams

I believe the Canadian people in several areas welcomed stranded travelers for several days as U.S. airspace was closed.

I also remember the eerie silence in the skies that week from lack of overhead aircraft heading into our airport. Occasionally a military aircraft. It felt almost apocalyptic.

Yes it was very weird... I live in the landing path at LGA and there was nothing... Nothing...

768 marjoriemoon  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:35:11am

Just wanted to give a shout out to Tilly who occassionally pops into the Lounge for chat. Not to tell tales out of school, but she's also a Katrina survivor.... if you can imagine! I told her she should start writing those memoirs.

So Tilly, if you're reading, you're my inspiration, girl. You are a testament to the American spirit that will never be crushed. Hugs and love to you on this day.

769 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:35:15am

re: #766 redstateredneck

Courage!

Keep your dukes up!

(strikes a jake lamotta pose)

770 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:35:42am
771 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:35:45am

re: #716 tfc3rid

Damn right more planes were to be hijacked IMHO. & The only thing that saved the west coast was the 3 hour time difference & the buildings and targets out here that they wanted to hit were still empty & the people who would have been killed were still at home safe in bed.


Anyway this conflict is far far from over, the enemy still has whole countries as sanctuaries where he can build any weapon, raise any army, hatch any plot.

I am afraid that I think they will eventually land other devastations upon us - they are still trying 24/7 - and then our response will leave their world in ashes. At least that is where it is heading, unless they stop trying to do what every day they are trying to do.

772 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:35:53am

re: #765 Ward Cleaver

Those were the weirdest eight days. Looking up in the sky and not seeing a single plane. Eerie.

I lived near the MSP Airport at the time.

It was weird.

773 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:35:54am

re: #718 Iron Fist

Winning wars is a Republican thing. Democrats prefer capitulation. They have since the '60's, anyway.


I call myself a Kennedy Democrat, one who remembers the party of Truman and JFK. Proud to be an American, proud to not surrender. It's probably not completely true, but it does show how far the dems have gotten away from their pro-American roots. Someone predicted (don't remember who) that if Obama loses, the democrats may try to return to their winning roots of pro-America, lower taxes (Kennedy!), roots. If that does happen, there is a possibility of having two good opposition parties in the US. A real choice, once again.

774 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:36:08am

With McCain and The Chosen One in New York, trying to seem apolitical, while staying away from their elected duties, I did a little more digging. I can't find where the heck Biden is, but Bill Nelson's chairing this morning's Foreign Relations committee meeting, so I guess Joe's AWOL. Of the four candidates, only one is doing the day job that the electorate expect. And that would be Gov. Sarah Palin, back home in Alaska this morning. Good work ethic.
/Though I hope she took along some homework for the ABC interview.

775 Valkyrie1981  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:36:23am

Lets hope this is not an On Going Attack.


[Link: news.sky.com...]

776 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:36:33am

re: #763 rawmuse

Good morning, Lizards! Pray for me, for this day I must go out among moonbats, troofers, and other assorted dementeds, which will require that I resist an almost overwhelming impulse to pummel them.

ah,...nah, just give in! ;)

777 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:36:35am
778 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:36:40am

Forgive me for not having read all the comments, but I did want to make one quick observation:

This site, while often having posters disagreeing with each other, is a breath of fresh air in comparison to the left wing sites (such as Huffington and Daily Kos). With rare exceptions, I don't see the gratuitous use of profanity or sexual slurs, and when I do other posters are quick to rebuke.

I wonder if - in addition to the excitement of McCain/Palin, and the ever more intriguing meltdown of Obama/Biden (e.g., the observation by Joe Biden that Hillary Clinton may have been a better choice for VP) - mainstream democrats are gravitating to this side of the campaign because they're tired of the low class, repugnant, vitriol on their own blogs.

Just a thought.

779 bosforus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:36:50am

Quote of the day:

I subsequently put it to former minister Brown late last night that there are too many reports of you in your underwear for me to ignore.

'Underpants' minister loses job

780 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:37:14am

re: #765 Ward Cleaver
Good morning Ward. Yes it was strange - but we in NYC got to see the reassuring site of USAF fighter jets flying over Manhattan - a site that was, prior to 9/11, exceedingly rare.

781 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:37:32am

The images of the planes hitting the buildings and people jumping off are seared into my memory for all eternity. When I close my eyes I can see people falling, falling. I actually can't shut that image off. Nor do I really want to. I hope those people-those poor souls-know what we are all still thinking of them. I hope that every time we say their names, remember that day-whatever we do to honour all the victims of Islamic terrorism-that their souls feel us remembering, doing, acting, remembering, honouring. That they know. That's my prayer and hope.

782 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:37:52am

re: #777 Ben Hur

Blair sister-in-law: Gaza world’s largest concentration camp

Would that be Cherie's sister?

783 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:38:08am

re: #780 realwest

Good morning Ward. Yes it was strange - but we in NYC got to see the reassuring site of USAF fighter jets flying over Manhattan - a site that was, prior to 9/11, exceedingly rare.

Kick ass.

784 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:38:11am

re: #764 JohnAdams

Nova Scotians took in the most people into their homes. Total strangers-bonded in tragedy.

785 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:38:45am

re: #764 JohnAdams

At 10:00 AM on Sept. 11, 2001, Canada shut down -- canceled -- all flights (in Canada the airspace was shut down also).

In the ensuing hours, 224 passenger flights carrying more than 33,000 passengers as well as 10 cargo flights are stacked up on airport runways from one end of the country to another. This marks the beginning of Transport Canada’s “Operation Yellow Ribbon”.

10:00: Transport Minister David Collenette orders a halt to all departures from Canadian airports until further notice, except for military, police and humanitarian flights.

786 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:38:48am

re: #784 WriterMom

Nova Scotians took in the most people into their homes. Total strangers-bonded in tragedy.

They did a great job, too.

787 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:38:51am

re: #777 Ben Hur

I saw that yesterday and posted it. But I was a little more rude in my post.

788 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:38:57am
789 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:39:02am

re: #763 rawmuse

Good morning, Lizards! Pray for me, for this day I must go out among moonbats, troofers, and other assorted dementeds, which will require that I resist an almost overwhelming impulse to pummel them.

The only way to remove temptation is to yield to it.

790 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:39:03am

re: #767 tfc3rid
Do you remember the photos/video of Mayor Giulianni walking out of the rubble, covered with dust, dirt and debris and WALKING up-town, reassuring New Yorkers that he was, indeed, there and in charge.
I'll never forget that.

791 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:39:08am

re: #758 bosforus

Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen the article. I'm quite certain, however, that my Canadian cousins boarded the Calgary-bound aircraft on 9/11.

792 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:39:46am

re: #763 rawmuse

Good morning, Lizards! Pray for me, for this day I must go out among moonbats, troofers, and other assorted dementeds, which will require that I resist an almost overwhelming impulse to pummel them.

Go forth and be of strong mind and infinite patience. But pummel if you must.

793 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:39:47am

Okay. Here's my report from Ground Zero this morning.

Still tweaking a bit...

794 jacksontn  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:40:04am

Today's electoral map according to RealClearPolitics I know we still have a ways to go but this looks good for McCain/Palin cuz just the other day Obama was way ahead in ev.

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

If Obama can be kept from pushing ACORN voters to the polls in the early voting in Ohio, I believe McCain can take Ohio. Ohio is the most ripe state for voter fraud. I hope the RNC is taking steps to monitor Ohio.

795 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:40:13am

re: #694 Ben Hur

I don't know the specific ones, but one of the denominations is Quaker.

It's going to be a "can't we all just get along" photo op.

Disgusting

796 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:40:16am

re: #760 CommonCents

I'm not saying his motive is any different. But to prevent the lone muslim from acting out his SJS is almost impossible, whereas a coordinated planned attack that requires timing, resources, etc is what the Pres was referring to. And no, we have not had a large scale, organized attack since 9/11/01.

I agree with most of what you said aside from the highlighted.

End the incitement, disband the power of the religious, un-educated religious authorities - the source of all Muslim's information and groupthink - and free the people's minds.

Then it will end.

I'm not saying that's it's possible though.

The reason 47% of Pakistanis, 37% of Palis, etc, think Israel/US were behind 9/11, is because their religious leaders tell them so.

797 Sparkizzy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:40:23am

How dare we honor 9/11! It's a Republican stunt!
/

798 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:40:56am

re: #792 CommonCents

Go forth and be of strong mind and infinite patience. But pummel if you must.

walk softly but carry a big bat.

799 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:40:57am

re: #779 bosforus

Quote of the day:

'Underpants' minister loses job

I see England, I see France....

800 kawfytawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:41:03am

G'mornin friends. Just got back in from putting my flag out. My whole street is lined (thank you Boy scouts!).....it really looks nice. Blessings to you and yours as we mourn many many lives today.

801 equable  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:41:36am

If It Be Your Will

If it be your will
If there is a choice
Let the rivers fill
Let the hills rejoice
Let your mercy spill
On all these burning hearts in hell
If it be your will
To make us well

And draw us near
And bind us tight
All your children here
In their rags of light
In our rags of light
All dressed to kill
And end this night
If it be your will

If it be your will.

God bless all of you.
Never forget, never surrender.
Let's Roll every day that we draw breath as Americans.

802 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:42:13am

re: #777 Ben Hur

Blair sister-in-law: Gaza world’s largest concentration camp

Well she decided to stay. I hope the accommodations are up to her standards. Oh and if I forget, let me shed a tear for her kids, and I bet this isn't doing Michelle's kids any good either?

803 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:42:46am
804 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:43:10am

re: #738 Nevergiveup

It was a total shut-down - there was mayhem at Heathrow that afternoon because all transatlantic flights had been turned back in Mid-Atlantic.
IIRC, the ones who were too far along were diverted to Canada.

It was an excellent decision, and I'm certain that it prevented more attacks, not just from what Lizards say ehre, but from remembering the planned and prevented hijacking of eleven airplanes at Christmas 1999 (I think it was that year).

805 bosforus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:43:44am

re: #791 quickjustice

Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen the article. I'm quite certain, however, that my Canadian cousins boarded the Calgary-bound aircraft on 9/11.

Ah, seems I misunderstood the article.

806 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:44:11am

re: #803 buzzsawmonkey

His term in office was brief...

But he Jockeyd for position

807 victor_yugo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:44:18am

re: #797 Sparkizzy

How dare we honor 9/11! It's a Republican stunt!
/

Even my moonbattiest colleague knows better than that.

808 Dustoff-507  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:44:20am

Just WOW.
I went to a blog in the Seattle area. The Troothers plus the RP freaks are going nuts today.


Well they ever grow up.

809 sparrowlake  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:44:34am

re: #755 Ward Cleaver

My oh my, Stinky's on the case.

Calm down, sparrowlake.

/whatever it was you said

Took one on the chops for tryin' to defend Lady Di's honour.
Hard for me to believe Stinky did it.
Jaunte plumerai le dos!

810 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:44:37am

re: #782 Ward Cleaver

Would that be Cherie's sister?

And Achmed's concubine.

Cherie " I understand why Palestinians become suicide bombers even though right now as I speak, British bred, upper class products of British education are ploting to blow up 200+ innocent Brits on buses and trains" Blair.

811 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:45:01am

re: #790 realwest

Do
you remember the photos/video of Mayor Giulianni walking out of the
rubble, covered with dust, dirt and debris and WALKING up-town,
reassuring New Yorkers that he was, indeed, there and in charge.
I'll never forget that.

I have a framed photo of Bush & Guiliani, along with Pataki, at Ground Zero - first thing one sees when entering my apartment.

812 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:45:05am

re: #771 Ojoe

Damn right more planes were to be hijacked IMHO. & The only thing that saved the west coast was the 3 hour time difference & the buildings and targets out here that they wanted to hit were still empty & the people who would have been killed were still at home safe in bed.


Anyway this conflict is far far from over, the enemy still has whole countries as sanctuaries where he can build any weapon, raise any army, hatch any plot.

I am afraid that I think they will eventually land other devastations upon us - they are still trying 24/7 - and then our response will leave their world in ashes. At least that is where it is heading, unless they stop trying to do what every day they are trying to do.

I agree with you that they are trying and planning to do something unbelievalbly monstrous... Constantly testing our resolve and security through the ue of their proxies here... I believe that our response to a future major attack will depend upon whom is in the White House...

813 kawfytawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:45:05am

re: #806 sattv4u2

But he Jockeyd for position

I think he was a real Fruit of the Loom

814 charpete67  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:45:06am

9/11 food for thought for those Bush haters...

[Link: kermudgen.com...]

815 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:45:56am

re: #806 sattv4u2

But he Jockeyd for position

If I get my Haines on you two...

816 leboaz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:45:57am

Good Morning All
I, too, just put out my flag. Unfortunately there are lots of Obama signs in the neighborhood and no flags on those houses. Sad.
While I'm being petty, I see Google marked the collider yesterday, but no 9-11 tribute- of course.
Off to the post office. . . . .

817 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:46:01am

re: #808 Dustoff-507
Good morning Dustoff! WHY did you go to that blog?
Y'all shoulda known what you'd find there!

How are you doing today my friend?

818 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:46:48am

re: #789 DeafDog

The only way to remove temptation is to yield to it.

Is that you, Oscar?

819 kawfytawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:46:58am

new thread

820 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:47:31am
821 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:47:40am

re: #790 realwest

Do you remember the photos/video of Mayor Giulianni walking out of the rubble, covered with dust, dirt and debris and WALKING up-town, reassuring New Yorkers that he was, indeed, there and in charge.
I'll never forget that.

Yes... Proved once again why I loved Rudy... His strength helped me get out of bed and into work on 9/12...

822 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:47:54am

re: #780 realwest

When I saw those jets on the evening of 9/11, I thought "Too little, too late. The entire U.S. government has failed us."

Along those lines, the Report of the 9/11 Commission is just heartbreaking. Dick Cheney screaming into a phone to the Pentagon from the bunker underneath the White House, "Shoot them down! Shoot them down!" And the realization, too late, that we didn't have the military assets positioned to protect our country.

Caught with our pants down. Pearl Harbor redux, except with civilians as the targets.

823 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:48:11am

Good morning everyone! I've been deprived of Internet for a couple of days -- my modem/router just experienced some kind of catastrophic meltdown and I had to wait for the ISP to send a new one.

Anyway, it's September 11, which means the Healing Field in my city is on display. These are the flags they're flying, one of which I bought and is currently on my flagpole outside. (Yes, that's every single name from the attacks on that flag.)

824 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:49:59am

re: #822 quickjustice
Well I had different thoughts - the idea of shooting down a jetliner full of fuel over Manhattan Island is just horrifying - the deaths and damage that would have been caused by that would no doubt have been even greater than that of the attacks on the WTC.

825 Dustoff-507  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:50:11am

re: #817 realwest

It's a good blog for our area... but the nutters jumped in and it went insane! 0-:

Things are going good.. the weather is nice and Boeing is on strike. 0-:

826 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:50:49am

re: #793 NoSubmission

Okay. Here's my report from Ground Zero this morning.

Still tweaking a bit...

Gotta' get me a pair of those shoes.

827 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:51:41am

re: #793 NoSubmission

Nice job! "Where is Osama Bin Laden?" is a truther slogan, B/T/W!

828 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:53:11am

re: #818 MandyManners

Is that you, Oscar?

I'm going by Dorian Gray these days.

829 smokefire  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:53:34am

Just in case some of you missed this on the links page............................

I'm Polish-Italian, and this goes for me too.

Oh, BTW,

NEVER FORGET.

830 lobo91  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:54:35am

re: #697 CommonCents

Speaking of whack jobs, don't forget about the DC Sniper.

As a career Soldier, nothing irritates me more than the media's insistance on calling every asswipe with a rifle a "sniper."

A sniper is a highly trained, skilled Soldier.

Malvo and Muhammad were NOT snipers. They were pathetic Jihadi losers.

831 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:54:38am

re: #824 realwest

You should read the report. The Towers already were burning. Cheney was referring to UAL 93, heading for DC.

832 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:54:42am

re: #799 MandyManners

I see England, I see France....

Ahem - its actually an Aussie ..
(Not that we haven't got any moonbats in our British government ...)

833 lurking faith  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:56:19am

re: #738 Nevergiveup

Did Canada do a full shutdown of it's airspace? I thought that International Flights at least were still arriving?

Some did. But any international flight that had enough fuel to make it was turned back to Europe. (A friend of mine was on one of the flights that turned back.)

834 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:57:02am

re: #793 NoSubmission
Thanks. Great report. Made me homesick for the city though!

835 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:56am

It was Primary Election day. I was one of the election inspectors at a High School in Queens when a cop said to me "My God it is real, we are under attack." For the first time in American history we stopped an election. I had been doing Red Cross for a while already so I headed in to headquarters and got there after noon. 10,000 volunteers were lined up at the building, the old HQ since gone behind Lincoln Center, the head of Youth Services, a mountain of a man named John Royce, since passed away, organized the volunteers. That day I ran supplies down to the scene. Never to forget, advancing into the cloud below Canal street, the smell, the heat you could feel over a block away. Saw the staff waiting outside the hospital a block away, waiting for the survivors who weren't coming, the nurses crying. The Next day I was on the gov't liason office team at the temporary Office of Emergency Management HQ at the Police Academy after WTC 7 collapsed, every few minutes someone would yell over the noise "Is anyone from the Medical Examiner here?" or "Is anyone from the morgue here?". Then I was the local liason to the National Red Cross team that came to do the Damage Assesment. We inspected lower Manhattan pretty thoroughly and concluded that it was damaged. Next few days did mass care at the respite in front of the Columbus school. Checked for people who hadn't evacuated, Superintedants tipped us off. Found the Wall Street Hotel up and running to serve rescue workers.

836 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:05:21am

re: #777 Ben Hur

Blair sister-in-law: Gaza world’s largest concentration camp

I'm pretty sure they are all allowed the same exit that they want Israel to take, unharmed.
I believe that direction is straight into the sea.
Same direction the woman entered the area from.

837 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:10:02am

re: #830 lobo91

As a career Soldier, nothing irritates me more than the media's insistance on calling every asswipe with a rifle a "sniper."

A sniper is a highly trained, skilled Soldier.

Malvo and Muhammad were NOT snipers. They were pathetic Jihadi losers.

You are most correct. My apologies for using an inappropriate description.

838 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:13:33am

re: #796 Ben Hur

I agree with most of what you said aside from the highlighted.

End the incitement, disband the power of the religious, un-educated religious authorities - the source of all Muslim's information and groupthink - and free the people's minds.

Then it will end.

I'm not saying that's it's possible though.

The reason 47% of Pakistanis, 37% of Palis, etc, think Israel/US were behind 9/11, is because their religious leaders tell them so.

Agreed. So tell me, where do the hate-spewing religious leaders get their thought processes from? What book is it that needs a rewrite?

839 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:16:38am

re: #675 BaseballMom57

My story is just like yours. Where you leave off, I herded my two kids into the car and went out to get a stack of cash from the bank, gas up the car and swung by the grocery store for emergency supplies.

On my way home I noticed my new neighbor, who had just moved here from England. She was in her car with her head down on the steering wheel, her two kids strapped into their car seats...the car was just idling in the driveway. I parked and walked over to see if everything was okay. As i got closer, I heard her weeping. Her window was down and I softly said, "Are you okay?" She said that she was terrified and didn't know what to do. She turned off the car and got out and I wrapped my arms around her and held her until she calmed down.

I told her it was going to be okay. She was in the United States of America now and that even though a terrible thing was happening, we would get through it. We are strong. We are brave. We will get through it.

Then I went home and started reading everything I could about Islam and the Taliban. I stayed awake for days. I still have trouble sleeping.

840 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:17:05am

re: #758 bosforus

Do you know if there was any follow-up on this story? Was there ever any "explanation" for the box-cutters being found? (how did they get there, who put them there, etc?)

841 JimmyTheClaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:28:26am

re: #393 taxfreekiller

Obama


On "Swiftboating", thing is you need election money, T. Boone Pickens has the $1,000,000.00 up for any one who can prove any of the findings of the "Swiftboat" dissuasion boards or the codicil of "Unfit for Command" book.

Make your case or duck back under the cover of the lies and fraud of the MSM "NBC', "ABC", "CBS", "PBS", "CNN", "MSMBC", NEW YORK TIMES ,
you know, "the liar elite".

that and ask "ABC'S" parent company Disney for a copy of

"The Path to 9/11",

that should help also.

Democrats are now total fraud, and you sir, the sample product.

found path to 911 on a torrent site a while back its in my collection next to the banned disney movie song of the south once on the net it can never be lost forever

842 AlanUK  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:52:25am

re: #185 luckygirl

No offense taken, cousin.

843 jcbunga  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:08:37am

Does anyone else remember Al Qaida'a #2 being quoted as saying "American needs to get over 9/11" about a week after we invaded Afghanistan and the ass kicking had begun?

I clearly recall that quote popping up on the news then and thinking he has no idea what pain is headed his way.

All the special forces troops leaving behind NYPD and NYFD patches as calling cards for the bad guys to find.

Awesome.

844 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:09:18am
845 Outrider  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:50:08pm

re: #822 quickjustice

When I saw those jets on the evening of 9/11, I thought "Too little, too late. The entire U.S. government has failed us."

Along those lines, the Report of the 9/11 Commission is just heartbreaking. Dick Cheney screaming into a phone to the Pentagon from the bunker underneath the White House, "Shoot them down! Shoot them down!" And the realization, too late, that we didn't have the military assets positioned to protect our country.

Caught with our pants down. Pearl Harbor redux, except with civilians as the targets.

Sorry. I have to disagree. The entire US government let us down? Because we did not have the air full of USAF jets ready to shoot down airliners? Because we did not anticipate an act that horrendous? Loaded civil airliners full of passengers being used as kamikazes? That is wrong on many levels.

Could it have been caught? Perhaps. If the Church Commission and Pres Carter hadn't gutted and hamstrung the intelligence branches. But, even then, these terrorists groups, at that time were nigh on impossible to infiltrate because they were manned by people that were related to one another or had grown up together. Now that we have whacked so many, we have infiltrated successfully and plots are being broken.

846 leftover54  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 4:54:19pm

re: #219 Josephine


Nice cuz...


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