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Never Forget

Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:45:29 am PDT

It’s been seven years since the terrorist attacks on a bright blue September 11 morning.

On this day we bear witness to the human beings whose lives were taken in a fiery act of jihad: the people in the airplanes, the people in the towers and in the Pentagon, the people who were forced to make a terrible choice between burning alive and jumping out into space toward the hard ground below.

We haven’t forgotten their sacrifices, or the hateful ideology that drove their murderers.

And although their capacity to harm us has been diminished, the killers continue to plot.

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1 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:46:10am

Never EVER forget.

2 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:46:32am
3 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:46:46am

Sadly, incredibly, however, most of America has seemed to have forgotten.

4 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:47:09am

re: #1 zombie

Never EVER forget.

To late for many.

5 Sir Lurksalot  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:47:17am

God Bless America

(and lgf)

6 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:47:36am

Not forgotten.

7 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:47:54am

Unfortunately, far too many people have already forgotten. And according to a recent poll, only 37% of people give credit to the Bush administration for the lack of attacks here in the last seven years. Unreal.

8 Dianna  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:48:03am

Never. I can't forget, and I can't stop being angry at people who seem to have done so. Or, worse, blame the victims.

9 kawfytawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:48:14am

Trust me....I will NEVER forget. I will never forget that day as long as I live.

10 TN_Vol  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:48:20am

God Bless the survivors and the families of the victims.

11 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:48:34am
12 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:48:35am
13 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:49:00am

We aren't anywhere near being done with this struggle. It won't be easy when you are surrounded by capitulators, but do it, we must.

14 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:49:04am

“What Do I Tell the Pilot?”

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

I'd bet she woulda really loved Sarah Palin also.

15 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:49:16am

From Esquire magazine:

They began jumping not long after the first plane hit the North Tower, not long after the fire started. They kept jumping until the tower fell. They jumped through windows already broken and then, later, through windows they broke themselves. They jumped to escape the smoke and the fire; they jumped when the ceilings fell and the floors collapsed; they jumped just to breathe once more before they died. They jumped continually, from all four sides of the building, and from all floors above and around the building's fatal wound. They jumped from the offices of Marsh & McLennan, the insurance company; from the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald, the bond-trading company; from Windows on the World, the restaurant on the 106th and 107th floors -- the top. For more than an hour and a half, they streamed from the building, one after another, consecutively rather than en masse, as if each individual required the sight of another individual jumping before mustering the courage to jump himself or herself. One photograph, taken at a distance, shows people jumping in perfect sequence, like parachutists, forming an arc composed of three plummeting people, evenly spaced. Indeed, there were reports that some tried parachuting, before the force generated by their fall ripped the drapes, the tablecloths, the desperately gathered fabric, from their hands. They were all, obviously, very much alive on their way down, and their way down lasted an approximate count of ten seconds. They were all, obviously, not just killed when they landed but destroyed, in body though not, one prays, in soul. One hit a fireman on the ground and killed him; the fireman's body was anointed by Father Mychal Judge, whose own death, shortly thereafter, was embraced as an example of martyrdom after the photograph -- the redemptive tableau -- of firefighters carrying his body from the rubble made its way around the world.

16 Pyrocles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:49:24am

I'll bet the Youtube comments for the Jihadist video are full of praise.

I watched some 9/11 videos on Youtube a couple of months ago, and the comments (mostly from Europeans) were gleeful. They loved watching the desperate victims jumping to their deaths; they cheered for them. Disgusting pigs.

I always shrink my browser window to hide the comments whenever I visit Youtube...for my bloodpressure :(

17 leboaz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:49:32am

as I said in the overnight, I just came in from raising my flag. Many Obama signs in the neighborhood, and no flags on those houses. Also, no sign at Google that anything ever happened on this terrible day.
Sad

18 Iron Fist  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:49:36am

Never forgive. I, for one, am still angry.

19 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:49:43am
20 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:49:45am

The media has (intentionally) done everything in their power to turn people's attention to other issues. Global warming, "racism," Sarah Palin's sexual history, the economy, etc. Anything, eveything, to turn our attention away from the one issue where the left completely and utterly FAILS.

21 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:49:50am

Sadly, those that never forget are those who don't need to be reminded. It's the rest of those who are forgetting what happened, or who are peddling the disgusting conspiracy mongering crap (already had to delete/ban posters pushing Bush inside job crap on my blog).

And some can't wait for the day to be over so they can quickly return to the slumber and comfort of forgetting.

Or some can't bear to watch tv today because of how hard it is to see and hear and relive the experiences of that horrible morning.

22 TN_Vol  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:50:00am

re: #12 jill e

OT. jill e. Loved your comment about Biden and healling from yesterday.

23 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:50:04am
24 bosforus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:50:13am
Never Forget

I used to wonder how we as Americans could ever forget, sadly, I've been shown the answer.

25 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:50:25am

re: #11 NoSubmission

I probably walked by you this AM and didn't know it.

26 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:50:50am

The Healing Field in my city is on display. These are the flags they're flying, one of which I bought and is currently on my flagpole outside. (Yes, that's the name of every single victim from the attacks on that flag.)

27 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:51:02am

NEVER FORGIVE

As for the forget part, I've already heard 2 people ask why the flags are at half mast today.

28 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:51:11am

Thank you Charles.

29 Yankee in Oz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:51:16am

My family was at the Pentagon memorial dedication this morning - a somber mood, no doubt. We will never forget it and we will continue the fight.

30 Pyrocles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:51:17am

Well, if President Obama and his fully Democratic house and senate overturn the Patriot Act, maybe that percentage will increase when the next attack occurs shortly afterwards...

Now that's a nightmare.

re: #7 Wyatt Earp

Unfortunately, far too many people have already forgotten. And according to a recent poll, only 37% of people give credit to the Bush administration for the lack of attacks here in the last seven years. Unreal.

31 hydrocarbon hank  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:51:20am

I remember seeing tower two collapse on TV as I was heading to class....it almost seemed fake.

I'll never forget the terrible feeling I had in my gut.

God bless the families and friends of the lost ones.

32 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:51:24am

Radical Islam declared war on America seven years ago today, and that war will not be over until every one of them is dead or imprisoned.

33 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:51:35am

I just put up a new flag on the pole outside of my workplace - half-staff.

Never forget.

34 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:52:03am

re: #25 lawhawk

I probably walked by you this AM and didn't know it.


It was so crowded. Oceans of people. I felt bad for the workers downtown today. You couldn't move on the street to save your life.
I was wearing my McCain / Palin Button! A few people asked me where I got it.

35 loppyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:52:33am
36 Alaska Kim  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:52:34am

I can still remember where I was and what I was doing when I found out this was happening. It's still sad.

37 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:52:36am

I will never forget and I will make sure my children (who were very young on that day) will know the truth.

I cried today, thinking of the dead.

38 kawfytawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:52:41am

re: #11 NoSubmission

Never forget.

Here's my report from Ground Zero this morning.

I really enjoyed your photo essay...thank you

39 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:52:47am

Charles, I know it was early in the morning in SoCal when Flight 11 slammed into WTC1, but were you awake when this all started?

40 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:53:14am

re: #20 zombie

The media has (intentionally) done everything in their power to turn people's attention to other issues. Global warming, "racism," Sarah Palin's sexual history, the economy, etc. Anything, eveything, to turn our attention away from the one issue where the left completely and utterly FAILS.

May the media's power continue to diminish...

41 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:53:15am

Has CAIR responded to today's backlash of Islamaphobia, yet?

42 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:53:28am

Ode to Three

The captured plane veered off course
for Burnett, Bingham and Glick.

Straight for the Capital without remorse
carrying Burnett, Bingham and Glick.

The evil hijackers filled with hate.
Cell phone calls foretelling fate.
Heroes whispered no time to wait
stood Burnett, Bingham and Glick.

Off-balance sure but young and bold
Burnett, Bingham and Glick

The rush they made as heroes old
charged Burnett, Bingham and Glick

Close with armed enemy no time to spare
Clashed with the villains high in the air
Defeating the foe and diverting their dare
Burnett, Bingham and Glick.

The plane did crash we lost them then.
Burnett, Bingham and Glick.

The Capital City forever their hymn.
Burnett, Bingham and Glick.

Praise their names, these noble men.
Burnett, Bingham and Glick.

43 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:53:28am
44 imploder  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:53:42am

I'll never forget. A lot has happened since that fateful day. Remember all the fallen. I pray that we never lose our vigilance again, for they are still out there, plotting, planning, waiting until the right time to strike.

45 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:53:45am

re: #11 NoSubmission

Never forget.

Here's my report from Ground Zero this morning.

Hey, wow, thanks! That was very quick, having that online already! Enlightenting to see what is going on there today.

P.S. The pentagram is only a "sign of Satan" if the two prongs are pointing up. If it's right-side up (i.e. single point pointing up), then it's just a generic symbol of paganism.

46 dmh0667  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:54:11am

And theirre: #3 zombie

Sadly, incredibly, however, most of America has seemed to have forgotten.

And what's worse, Osama's retarded apologizers are still at work, too...

From Hotair.com; although I think Allahpundit has deleted most of them, by now...you can still see them quoted by others. Amazing.

I wonder if DU and HuffPo will have anything, today?

47 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:54:12am

1 Why do you boast of evil, you mighty man?
Why do you boast all day long,
you who are a disgrace in the eyes of God?
2 Your tongue plots destruction;
it is like a sharpened razor,
you who practice deceit.
3 You love evil rather than good,
falsehood rather than speaking the truth.
Selah
4 You love every harmful word,
O you deceitful tongue!
5 Surely God will bring you down to everlasting ruin:
He will snatch you up and tear you from your tent;
he will uproot you from the land of the living.
Selah
Psalm 52: 1-5

48 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:54:12am

Never Forget.
Never Forgive.

49 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:54:13am

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, come on, that was a long time ago. We've moved past it. Now's the time to reconcile ourselves with the world instead of standing in opposition to it--and as a step in that direction, we must be willing to go anywhere and meet with anyone without imposing preconditions.

/Obama supporter

Britain and the rest of Europe want Obama as president. They know that Obama will dismantle American influence around the world, and that is viewed as a good thing. See? If America "goes down," then Europe goes up. It's their zero-sum world. [3rd-grade, 3rd-world mentality]

50 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:54:42am
51 JohnAdams  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:54:47am

re: #11 NoSubmission

Never forget.

Here's my report from Ground Zero this morning.

Thank you. Isn't it strange how the Troofers ALWAYS appear as the underfed, condescending, slacker smart-asses that they are?

52 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:55:03am
53 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:55:08am

re: #41 Ben Hur

Has CAIR responded to today's backlash of Islamaphobia, yet?

Fuck CAIR.

54 ladycatnip  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:55:19am

God bless our beautiful country and all the brave souls who have died defending it. God bless the families of all the innocent victims who died because of an evil ideology.

We will never forget.

55 amphibian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:55:23am

This is a great and powerful country, and because of this people can get away with forgetting, or convincing themselves that nothing really happened (the troofers). The next presidential election puts two very different characters against each other -- one suited to lead in a time of war and the other an empty suit -- and we're still having trouble making up our minds.

At least some of us aren't forgetting.

56 JacksonTn  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:55:29am

re: #15 jill e

From Esquire magazine:

They began jumping not long after the first plane hit the North Tower, not long after the fire started. They kept jumping until the tower fell. They jumped through windows already broken and then, later, through windows they broke themselves. They jumped to escape the smoke and the fire; they jumped when the ceilings fell and the floors collapsed; they jumped just to breathe once more before they died. They jumped continually, from all four sides of the building, and from all floors above and around the building's fatal wound. They jumped from the offices of Marsh & McLennan, the insurance company; from the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald, the bond-trading company; from Windows on the World, the restaurant on the 106th and 107th floors -- the top. For more than an hour and a half, they streamed from the building, one after another, consecutively rather than en masse, as if each individual required the sight of another individual jumping before mustering the courage to jump himself or herself. One photograph, taken at a distance, shows people jumping in perfect sequence, like parachutists, forming an arc composed of three plummeting people, evenly spaced. Indeed, there were reports that some tried parachuting, before the force generated by their fall ripped the drapes, the tablecloths, the desperately gathered fabric, from their hands. They were all, obviously, very much alive on their way down, and their way down lasted an approximate count of ten seconds. They were all, obviously, not just killed when they landed but destroyed, in body though not, one prays, in soul. One hit a fireman on the ground and killed him; the fireman's body was anointed by Father Mychal Judge, whose own death, shortly thereafter, was embraced as an example of martyrdom after the photograph -- the redemptive tableau -- of firefighters carrying his body from the rubble made its way around the world.

I never heard about the Fireman killed from the falling body. That made me cry all over again. There are so many untold stories out there.

57 BingoBunny  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:55:36am

MSNBC is showing their coverage of 911.. I think mainly because they have so many stupid mistakes.. like reporters saying a bomb hit the pentagon.. and talking about car bombs going off after the towers fell.. theirs is a moonbat conspiracy fest.

58 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:55:36am

CHARLES - am I correct that it's too difficult using your newer systems, to put up Old Glory, at half-mast on the LGF Header?

59 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:55:50am

(For Tilly, if she comes in ...)

I'm SO glad you're with us today.

60 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:55:54am

re: #21 lawhawk

Or some can't bear to watch tv today because of how hard it is to see and hear and relive the experiences of that horrible morning.

I've never watched the film "Flight 93." I simply couldn't bear it.

61 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:56:05am

God Bless America and may hell consume those who wish her ill.

62 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:56:11am

re: #11 NoSubmission

Never forget.

Here's my report from Ground Zero this morning.

How did you refrain from smacking the snot out of that punk with the Che shirt?

63 smokefire  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:56:12am

Pucker up BITCH, and put some lipstick on too, you pig.

64 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:56:15am

re: #45 zombie

Hey, wow, thanks! That was very quick, having that online already! Enlightenting to see what is going on there today.

P.S. The pentagram is only a "sign of Satan" if the two prongs are pointing up. If it's right-side up (i.e. single point pointing up), then it's just a generic symbol of paganism.


Hey zomb!
I got downtown early and had to get back home to file this report because I have to go to work this afternoon.

That pentagram may not have been an official sign of Satan but that wart on her chest sure was. :)

65 StudSupreme  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:56:32am

I've noticed a stunning difference between east and west coast reactions to the significance of this day.
West coasters ridicule it.

I'm an east coaster. And I have not forgotten.

Nor shall I ever forgive.

66 wright1  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:57:29am

The impressions of how McCain gets it and Obama does not can be illustrated in their comments about 9/11, Obama's views are one of empathy as seen below:
Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe—children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores.

“Empathy” would appear to be Mr. Obama’s watchword when it comes to talking about 9/11.

[Link: sweetness-light.com...]

Meanwhile McCain has been stalwart that Isalmic radicals are trying to conquer America and the World through jihad.

There are many reasons to vote for McCain and not Obama - my reason? Obama is going to get me killed.

67 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:57:34am

Your slideshow is outstanding, Charles.

68 toadbelly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:57:35am

here, here
God bless America. We have made our enemies pay at great sacrifice to our own but the struggle continues and we will persevere.

69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:57:36am

re: #60 zombie

I've never watched the film "Flight 93." I simply couldn't bear it.

I made myself watch United 93. I kept wanting to turn it off and walk away, but made myself watch. The victims deserve that their story be known.

70 JohnAdams  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:57:52am

re: #60 zombie

I've never watched the film "Flight 93." I simply couldn't bear it.

Had to make myself do it. The same feeling I had going in, I had going out. Pure dread and anguish.

71 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:58:03am

re: #65 StudSupreme
Uh

West coasters ridicule it.

Where the hell did you get that idea?
That's just WRONG.

72 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:58:04am

I wished I brought kleenex with me. I stood there for a while listening to the names of the victims being read I got very emotional. They were only up to about the letters 'F' or 'G' by the time I had to head home.

73 Golem Akbar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:58:06am

I for one will never forget. For many, thankfully, it was a defining moment. It brought into clear contrast the need for freedom. And yes, thanks, Charles, and LGF for keeping the light on.

74 akak  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:58:20am

Radical Islam may have declared war on the west Sept 11/01 Wyatt Earp, but Islam had its problem with all others long before - which I'm sure you know.

75 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:58:21am

re: #34 NoSubmission

It was so crowded. Oceans of people. I felt bad for the workers downtown today. You couldn't move on the street to save your life.
I was wearing my McCain / Palin Button! A few people asked me where I got it.

Send them here.

76 Sparkizzy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:58:32am

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, come on, that was a long time ago. We've moved past it. Now's the time to reconcile ourselves with the world instead of standing in opposition to it--and as a step in that direction, we must be willing to go anywhere and meet with anyone without imposing preconditions.

/Obama supporter

I mean, did you see that poll? Most of of the world wants Obama elected; because of Bush, the world hates us.

/More Obama supporter

77 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:58:57am

re: #64 NoSubmission

Nice work! "Where is Osama Bin Laden?" is a truther slogan, B/T/W. And if she's a truther, I wish her more warts! ;-)

78 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:02am

re: #62 MandyManners

How did you refrain from smacking the snot out of that punk with the Che shirt?


I hate troofers! They are demented and awful creatures.

79 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:07am

re: #62 MandyManners

Probably for the same reason I didn't rip down those signs and smack them with my bag - I have too much respect for the solemnity of the day. I also respect these idiots free speech rights - the right to make a complete ass of themselves.

80 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:10am

MSNBC is showing footage of the Jordyptians celebrating that day.

81 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:20am
82 Alaska Kim  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:20am

re: #65 StudSupreme

I've noticed a stunning difference between east and west coast reactions to the significance of this day.
West coasters ridicule it.

I'm an east coaster. And I have not forgotten.

Nor shall I ever forgive.

What is up with that comment?

83 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:21am

One thing I'm sick of hearing though is the newcasters talking about "all that died" as if the attacks back in 2001 were a natural disaster. It was an act of deliberate pre-meditated murder. Murder committed in cold blood by the 19 highjackers, by Al Quaeda, by those who would not hesitate to perform such an act again.

84 Brees  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:35am

Never forget!

At work.....Stars & Stripes at half staff

Gadsen - "Don't Tread on Me" flag below

Amazing! Google doesn't have any 9-11 artwork on their page

Duh

85 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:51am

Charles, thanks for giving us a wonderful place to learn, read, and contribute in this uncertain world we live in. This place is an island.

86 loppyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:55am

President Bush's address to the nation. 8:30 EST 9/11/01.

Good evening. Today, our fellow citizens, our way of life, our very freedom came under attack in a series of deliberate and deadly terrorist acts. The victims were in airplanes, or in their offices; secretaries, businessmen and women, military and federal workers; moms and dads, friends and neighbors. Thousands of lives were suddenly ended by evil, despicable acts of terror.

The pictures of airplanes flying into buildings, fires burning, huge structures collapsing, have filled us with disbelief, terrible sadness, and a quiet, unyielding anger. These acts of mass murder were intended to frighten our nation into chaos and retreat. But they have failed; our country is strong.

A great people has been moved to defend a great nation. Terrorist attacks can shake the foundations of our biggest buildings, but they cannot touch the foundation of America. These acts shattered steel, but they cannot dent the steel of American resolve.

America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world. And no one will keep that light from shining.

Today, our nation saw evil, the very worst of human nature. And we responded with the best of America -- with the daring of our rescue workers, with the caring for strangers and neighbors who came to give blood and help in any way they could.

Immediately following the first attack, I implemented our government's emergency response plans. Our military is powerful, and it's prepared. Our emergency teams are working in New York City and Washington, D.C. to help with local rescue efforts.

Our first priority is to get help to those who have been injured, and to take every precaution to protect our citizens at home and around the world from further attacks.

The functions of our government continue without interruption. Federal agencies in Washington which had to be evacuated today are reopening for essential personnel tonight, and will be open for business tomorrow. Our financial institutions remain strong, and the American economy will be open for business, as well.

The search is underway for those who are behind these evil acts. I've directed the full resources of our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and to bring them to justice. We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them.

I appreciate so very much the members of Congress who have joined me in strongly condemning these attacks. And on behalf of the American people, I thank the many world leaders who have called to offer their condolences and assistance.

America and our friends and allies join with all those who want peace and security in the world, and we stand together to win the war against terrorism. Tonight, I ask for your prayers for all those who grieve, for the children whose worlds have been shattered, for all whose sense of safety and security has been threatened. And I pray they will be comforted by a power greater than any of us, spoken through the ages in Psalm 23: "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me."

This is a day when all Americans from every walk of life unite in our resolve for justice and peace. America has stood down enemies before, and we will do so this time. None of us will ever forget this day. Yet, we go forward to defend freedom and all that is good and just in our world.

Thank you. Good night, and God bless America.

87 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:59:59am

Oh Danny Boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
From glen to glen, and down the mountainside.
The summer's gone, and all the flowers are dying.
'Tis you, 'tis you must go and I must bide.
But come ye (or yah) back when summer's in the meadow
Or when the valley's hushed and white with snow,
'Tis I'll be there in sunshine or in shadow.
Oh Danny Boy, Oh Danny Boy, I love you so.
But if ye come, and all the flowers are dying
And I am dead, as dead I well may be.
Ye'll come and find the place where I am lying
And kneel and say an "Ave" there for me.
And I shall hear, though soft you tread above me,
And all my dreams will warmer, sweeter be,
And you'll not fail to tell me that you love me,
I'll simply sleep in peace until you come to me.

88 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:00am

re: #69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

UAL 93 is a brilliant movie everyone should see. It was hard for me, but I was very glad I saw it. Much better than those later Hollywood efforts.

89 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:09am

re: #65 StudSupreme

I've noticed a stunning difference between east and west coast reactions to the significance of this day.
West coasters ridicule it.

I'm an east coaster. And I have not forgotten.

Nor shall I ever forgive.

As a West Coaster, fuck off, asshole

90 tankascribe  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:15am

I hung the flag out front at 6 AM PDT this morning.

Telecommuting today, so I got to catch the dedication of the 9/11 Memorial at the Pentagon live on Fox. Very stirring; the radio station I always listen to on my morning commute replayed their morning show from that day/time as they have done for the past 6 years. It never fails to bring an adrenaline surge of dread, anxiety, and rage as it takes me back to that day.

Never forgive, never forgotten.

91 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:16am

9/11 worked.

Most of the West sees 9/11 as an ignored child lashing out.

Now they get more attention than their numbers in this country deserve.

92 redheadredstate  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:26am

Every Sept 11th I am haunted by "those who jumped". I shiver and say a prayer that this never happens again. I relive my anger all over again and wish that I had some kind of magic power to find those responsible and bring them to the justice they deserve, but sadly I don't. I'm as sure of this as I am that the sun will come up tomorrow...those responsible may not face justice in this world but they will in the next. I place my faith in that and never forget to remember this day and honor those who died that horrible day and honor those brave soldiers who have given their lives to free Iraq and Afghanistan in the years since 9-11-01.

93 RightLogic  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:38am

God bless the souls of the victims of the terror attacks on 9/11 and those of our brave men and women who have defended this great nation since then.

94 dhg4  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:38am

Elder of Ziyon post The hole in the sky.

And of course we must never forget the immortal words of Michael Kelly from 9/12/01:

If it is morally acceptable to murder, in the name of a necessary blow for freedom, a woman on a Tel Aviv street, or to blow up a disco full of teenagers, or to bomb a family restaurant -- then it must be morally acceptable to drive two jetliners into a place where 50,000 people work. In moral logic, what is the difference? If the murder of innocent people is for whatever reason excusable, it is excusable; if it is legitimate, it is legitimate. If acceptable on a small scale, so too on a grand.
95 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:43am

re: #74 akak

Radical Islam may have declared war on the west Sept 11/01 Wyatt Earp, but Islam had its problem with all others long before - which I'm sure you know.

I do, but I wish everyone else would realize it and help us stamp out these savages for good.

96 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:47am

re: #60 zombie

I've never watched the film "Flight 93." I simply couldn't bear it.


Me neither.

97 angst  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:57am

re: #7 Wyatt Earp

Unfortunately, far too many people have already forgotten. And according to a recent poll, only 37% of people give credit to the Bush administration for the lack of attacks here in the last seven years. Unreal.

I don't frakkin' believe that!

Nah. I guess I do. And if Obama is elected, it will happen again. Even if (and it's a big "if") he would go after the terrorists where they live, like Bush did, the terrorists think he won't. And that perception means everything- Osama bin Laden did not think we would come after him, and that's why the Taliban attacked.

If Obama is elected, it will happen again.

98 Syrah  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:00:59am
99 Alaska Kim  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:01:08am

re: #89 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

As a West Coaster, fuck off, asshole

Ditto.

100 kawfytawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:01:59am

re: #69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I made myself watch United 93. I kept wanting to turn it off and walk away, but made myself watch. The victims deserve that their story be known.

My husband and I went to the movie theater here in TX to see United 93. When it was over no one got up and all you heard was soft sobbing. It was a VERY emotional experience. We didn't even speak on the drive home.....honestly it makes me weep as I remember.

101 Adrenalyn  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:02:09am

re: #3 zombie

Sadly, incredibly, however, most of America has seemed to have forgotten.

not me
I was to be in DC this week and opted to re-retire and stay the flock away

now there is a fire of unknown origin in the Chunnel
and I am thinking myself wise to have chosen to fish this week

and stock up on needed doomsday supplies
because the fanactics have not forgotten
and they have not stopped either

102 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:02:20am

re: #22 TN_Vol

Thanks! I saw the clip and thought of Ernest Angley, a faith healer that used to be on television when I lived in St. Louis. "Be HEEEEEL-duh!"

103 docremulac  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:02:25am

Notice how they didn't talk a lot about their interaction with the United States Marines?

That's because few of them survive to tell the tale.

But enough have escaped to spread the word to the rest of the jihadis. They know the Marines, they respect the Marines and above all, they fear the Marines. When the word is out anywhere in the muslim world that the United States Marines Corps is coming, these "proud" muslim soldiers run like frightened little girls.

104 SouthAmericanWay  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:02:30am

Unfortunately, though most have not forgotten, many fail to realize that a new attack is always being planned, and that only a strong and dedicated leader, a leader who truly loves America unconditionally, will do his utmost to prevent the unimaginable.

Reminder of the day:

What are YOU doing to make sure the right ticket will win? Have you been volunteering for the campaign? And did you know that you may sign up online? Have you sent contributions to the RNC or to the McCain Compliance Fund? What about your neighbors, friends, relatives, acquaintances: have you been trying to persuade them to vote for McCain, reminding them that Obama is the most radical major-party candidate in American history, and completely unprepared for the challenges of Islamic terrorism?

Stand up and fight!

105 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:03:20am

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Obama v. McCain by Amir Taheri

The difference between the two candidates laid out clearly and objectively. Three pages: read it all.

It's an EXCELLENT piece...

106 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:03:21am

Whatever you do, don't show the footage.

The knuckle-dragging, racist, drones of the American street might go on a rampage.

And make sure to frame your views about American foreign policy by following the lead, or by fearing, the educated masses of the independent minding Arab street.

107 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:03:35am

I might as well stay off the internet entirely today... I'll check what Ike is doing, but I'm not one of those people who finds re-visiting tragedy to be therapeutic or inspiring.

I lost a relationship, most of the direction in my life, and my entire worldview. I realized that I was only finally, fully recovered about a year and a half ago. I'm glad that I don't see passing airliners as instruments of murder anymore. I was only in Boston, I didn't actually lose anybody I knew (lots of folks have it much worse) but I'm a sensitive type. I don't go read Kos or DU for fun, either.

It was too terrible the first time around, I've learned what I needed to learn, the lines have been drawn, and I know where I stand. I don't want to see footage, read accounts, nothin'. Not today.

It would be a mighty fuckin' good thing to, like, finally kill Osama, though... Just FYI to our esteemed Ruling Class... Let's send these fuckers back to their desert blood god, and pack along their fellow travelers and apologists with them for good measure.

108 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:03:46am

re: #15 jill e

Thanks, jill e. That was beautiful.

109 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:03:57am
110 angst  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:04:00am

re: #96 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Me neither.

Me neither. I can't even watch any news videos. I did make it through "Tilly's Story," though.

111 TN_Vol  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:04:09am

re: #102 jill e


That was my reply to you yesterday. I used to watch the Reverend in college with my buddies after several adult beverages.

112 Iron Fist  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:04:10am

re: #80 MandyManners

That is also something that should not be forgotten.

113 tfc3rid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:04:17am

re: #83 Honorary Yooper

One thing I'm sick of hearing though is the newcasters talking about "all that died" as if the attacks back in 2001 were a natural disaster. It was an act of deliberate pre-meditated murder. Murder committed in cold blood by the 19 highjackers, by Al Quaeda, by those who would not hesitate to perform such an act again.

Yes... I see equating Katrina deaths and earthquake deaths and what happened on 9/11...

It's sick...

114 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:04:19am

re: #79 lawhawk

Probably for the same reason I didn't rip down those signs and smack them with my bag - I have too much respect for the solemnity of the day. I also respect these idiots free speech rights - the right to make a complete ass of themselves.

I s'pose.

115 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:04:45am

I get to watch very little television in the morning, but nobody was mentioning 9/11 around 6:30 when I did a quick scan of the cable news outlets, though I'm sure they got to it later. Obviously here in the NY market everyone is covering it.

I'll never bury the rage I feel over what these animals did to my hometown and in order to keep myself calm I think I'll avoid any leftist sites today. Already had some puke come in and drop a pile in the comments to a Just a Grunt item at my place. A--holes just can't properly pay respect, so consumed by their own anger, bitterness and hatred for America. Makes me sick.

I said a prayer this morning for my friends who were killed and all the others who was killed just for being an American. They're casualties of war and we should never forget them.

I never will.

Spoke to a friend of mine who lives four blocks north of the WTC a little while ago. He still gets very emotional about what went down that morning as he was right in the middle of the madness.

116 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:05:01am

re: #3 zombie

Sadly, incredibly, however, most of America has seemed to have forgotten.

Google, however does seem to have forgotten. Nothing special there.

But then again, perhaps they just chose not to note the date, as they are not simply provincial Americans, they are Citizens of the World.

117 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:05:18am

re: #65 StudSupreme

That's a very tacky thing to say.

118 Syrah  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:05:19am

re: #65 StudSupreme

You are mistaken.

Sure we have some kooks out here, much as you have them there.

They are loud and hog up all the print space and camera time here, much as they do there.

We are not them, and neither are you.

Lets not forget that.

119 loppyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:05:24am

re: #106 Ben Hur

The footage should be being shown in every age appropriate classroom across the United States today.

120 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:05:38am

What a post, Charles. So concise and painfully moving...
God bless.

121 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:06:01am

re: #64 NoSubmission
Excellent work No Sub! Tried to post a comment at your site, but for some reason Google doesn't recognize my password!
Just really saying thank you for your fine work and to let you know that you have two photos of "Iraq Vets Against the War" and one of those two - the blonde - was never in the military - his salute form was something he probably saw a on tv show!

122 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:06:25am

re: #107 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm glad that I don't see passing airliners as instruments of murder anymore.

I still do. Every single time I see a plane, i imagine what might happen if it crashed into something. To this day. Every single time.

123 ladycatnip  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:06:31am

#69 Krager...

re: #60 zombie

I've never watched the film "Flight 93." I simply couldn't bear it.

I made myself watch United 93. I kept wanting to turn it off and walk away, but made myself watch. The victims deserve that their story be known.

I, too, made myself watch "Flight 93". That was when I discovered I had a rose in my garden called Nicole Carol Miller, which is a 9/11 memorial rose. At the time I bought it there was no mention of 9/11; I just presumed it was named after someone notable and I wanted it in my garden for its beauty. Now when I walk through my rose garden I am always reminded that this rose is a memorial of a beautiful young woman on flight 93.

I'm glad I watched the movie.

124 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:06:34am

9/11 was a wakeup call. Unfortunately too many remain asleep.

125 TN_Vol  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:06:41am

re: #119 loppyd

The footage should be being shown in every age appropriate classroom across the United States today.

Agreed. We need a clear and stark reminder each and every year.

126 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:06:52am

Never forget the innocent victims who lost their lives at the hands of cowardly terrorists simply because they were AMERICANS!

Never forget the families of those victims who continue to mourn every day for loved ones taken away from them.

Never forget that America will stand up for what is right - in the face of an enemy who has no morals or compassion we will show ours. We will also show our strength and determination.

Never forget.

127 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:07:00am

re: #107 Pawn of the Oppressor

I might as well stay off the internet entirely today... I'll check what Ike is doing, but I'm not one of those people who finds re-visiting tragedy to be therapeutic or inspiring.

I lost a relationship, most of the direction in my life, and my entire worldview. I realized that I was only finally, fully recovered about a year and a half ago. I'm glad that I don't see passing airliners as instruments of murder anymore. I was only in Boston, I didn't actually lose anybody I knew (lots of folks have it much worse) but I'm a sensitive type. I don't go read Kos or DU for fun, either.

It was too terrible the first time around, I've learned what I needed to learn, the lines have been drawn, and I know where I stand. I don't want to see footage, read accounts, nothin'. Not today.

It would be a mighty fuckin' good thing to, like, finally kill Osama, though... Just FYI to our esteemed Ruling Class... Let's send these fuckers back to their desert blood god, and pack along their fellow travelers and apologists with them for good measure.


I'm posting two versions of the WTC footage on my blog later today. I am doing so because I think far too many people forgot that day, and this is my way to shock them back into coherence.

128 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:07:14am

I have not forgotten.

129 JacksonTn  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:07:16am

re: #63 smokefire

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Pucker up BITCH, and put some lipstick on too, you pig.

That was great Thanks.

130 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:07:28am

Those images are burnt into my memory forever - the indescribable horror, the sufferings, the heroism which can never be praised enough.

And I shall never forget the images of people rejoicing in the ME - nor forgive them for that utter callousness. They stepped outside of the bonds of common humaity then and forever.

131 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:07:39am
132 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:07:43am

re: #117 MandyManners

That's a very tacky thing to say.

And somewhat accurate.

There was a column the week after 9/11 about how on the entrance doors of the LA offices of CNN there was a sign that read, "The terror attacks ON THE EAST COAST will not effect yada yada yada...."

Hardly unifying.

133 gearhead  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:07:54am

Not wanting to watch the terrorist rant.

Is Adam Gadahn in it?

134 amphibian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:08:11am

re: #27 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

NEVER FORGIVE

As for the forget part, I've already heard 2 people ask why the flags are at half mast today.

I also wondered. Were the flags at half-staff on Dec. 7 during the Second World War? I would guess not, but I don't know.

The loss of life was terrible and the manner in which the murders were carried out despicable, but I always cringe when I hear people call the attacks a "tragedy" -- as if there were no human agency involved. I guess I'd be more comfortable mourning our losses if a few more Middle Eastern countries were under new management and the war won. Right after you're punched is the time to get up, wipe the blood off, and make sure that your enemy's surviving relatives won't try this sort of thing again. I guess we've got enough resources to mourn when this is appropriate, and still keep on fighting.

135 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:08:22am

re: #121 realwest

Excellent work No Sub! Tried to post a comment at your site, but for some reason Google doesn't recognize my password!
Just really saying thank you for your fine work and to let you know that you have two photos of "Iraq Vets Against the War" and one of those two - the blonde - was never in the military - his salute form was something he probably saw a on tv show!

Hey real! Thanks! How are you?

I've photographed one of those Iraq War Vets before at Union Square. The dark haired guy. The look in his eyes is pretty far gone. Sad really.

136 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:09:00am

I've already posted about 9/11 at length in the previous thread. I'll only add the reports that many Arabs in Brooklyn were dancing in the streets as the Towers burned.

Some Italian-American gentlemen approached the dancers, showed them their gats, and suggested that they take their party to a more private place out of respect. The dancers then retreated from the streets.

137 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:09:08am

It took me awhile, but I did watch Flight 93.

It's difficult, but I did it out of tribute to those heroes.

I still find the documentary by the Gaudet brothers to be the most jarring yet poignant piece ever released. My wife's cousin is prominently featured in there while in the command center of the north tower. Seeing the look on his face is haunting. He's lucky to be alive but he lost 343 brothers that day.

138 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:09:25am

re: #128 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I have not forgotten.

My wife told me to remember to put the flag up.
She didn't notice I was already headed out the door, with the flag.

139 Brees  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:09:26am

re: #106 Ben Hur

FOX & Friends did a flashback this morning

While at the same time on ABC, CBS, NBC.........they did stories about the Sarah Palin action figure for instance (Early Show)

140 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:09:34am

Couldn't MEMRI put some clearer subtitles to that video?
It's agonizing hearing this fucking dialect of hell.

141 loppyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:10:05am

re: #125 TN_Vol

Agreed. We need a clear and stark reminder each and every year.

Some school will rue the day they hire me if I ever go back to get my masters of ed.

142 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:10:19am

re: #139 Brees

FOX & Friends did a flashback this morning

While at the same time on ABC, CBS, NBC.........they did stories about the Sarah Palin action figure for instance (Early Show)

Have they figured out where Palin was on 9/11 and why she was involved?

143 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:10:26am
144 Syrah  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:10:27am

An anthem for this day.

Darryl Worley - Have You Forgotten?


I hear people saying we don't need this war
But, I say there's some things worth fighting for
What about our freedom and this piece of ground
We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down
They say we don't realize the mess we're getting in
Before you start your preaching let me ask you this my friend

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

They took all the footage off my T.V.
Said it's too disturbing for you and me
It'll just breed anger that's what the experts say
If it was up to me I'd show it everyday
Some say this country's just out looking for a fight
Well, after 9/11 man I'd have to say that's right

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And we vowed to get the one’s behind bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

I've been there with the soldiers
Who've gone away to war
And you can bet that they remember
Just what they're fighting for

Have you forgotten all the people killed?
Yeah, some went down like heroes in that Pennsylvania field
Have you forgotten about our Pentagon?
All the loved ones that we lost and those left to carry on
Don't you tell me not to worry about bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

Have you forgotten?
Have you forgotten?

145 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:11:09am

re: #139 Brees

FOX & Friends did a flashback this morning

While at the same time on ABC, CBS, NBC.........they did stories about the Sarah Palin action figure for instance (Early Show)

Well to be honest they are more afraid of Sarah Palin that terrorists. Not sure what that says about them, but it sure is interesting?

146 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:11:33am

re: #132 Ben Hur

And somewhat accurate.

There was a column the week after 9/11 about how on the entrance doors of the LA offices of CNN there was a sign that read, "The terror attacks ON THE EAST COAST will not effect yada yada yada...."

Hardly unifying.

But, to paint everyone on the West Coast with such a broad brush as he did?

147 sparrowlake  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:11:36am

re: #3 zombie

Sadly, incredibly, however, most of America has seemed to have forgotten.

It is the job of all in positions of leadership to remind the population regularly. And any fears during election season that such reminders could be perceived as partisan political ploys should be ignored.

148 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:11:40am

re: #103 docremulac
Actually they never talk about their "contacts" few though they may be, with the U.S. Army, either, especially not the U.S. Special Forces, Rangers or 82nd Airborne!

149 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:11:51am

I woke that morning to Dave Rickards, of my favorite morning radio show, saying "They have changed the New York skyline forever." I will never forget that.

150 loppyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:12:02am

re: #137 JammieWearingFool

Hi Jammie,

I agree about the Gaudet brothers film. But I have not seen Flight 93, though I feel I need to and I will.

151 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:12:04am

re: #146 MandyManners

But, to paint everyone on the West Coast with such a broad brush as he did?

Point taken.

152 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:12:05am

It's 9:11 on 9/11.

153 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:12:09am

Thank you Charles, for this thread. Rest in peace Jennifer. I still miss you.

154 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:12:13am
155 smokefire  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:12:38am

re: #144 Syrah

An anthem for this day.

Darryl Worley - Have You Forgotten?

Here is the video to go along with above

156 acfunk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:12:49am

I've been watching the replay from that day on MSNBC. Crying like I did that day 7 years ago. I live in Atlantic City, NJ, where the Air National Guard was responsible that day for scrambling fighter jets. I remember hearing the roar of the engines overhead but thinking "what could they possibly do, shoot 'em down?" Then we learned the incredible story of Todd Beamer and others on Flight 93. Crying again.

One thing that stays with me throughout these past 7 years that I have to get off my chest: What if the government had rock-solid information about the plan for 9/11 and then successfully STOPPED it? Can you imagine the speech the President would have to give? "My fellow Americans, I just blew up a guy in a cave that you never heard of because we have credible information that he was planning an attack. I am sending troops into Afganistan to expel the Taliban, a group you never heard of. I can't share with you the intelligence, due to the sensitive nature of the operations..."

First of all, NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE HIM! " A guy in a cave? You dumb cowboy, you flushed away Clinton's peace in the middle east because of a guy in a cave? Because Richard Clarke wrote a memo? What about Saddam Hussein? That's the real mad man!"

Ah, phuck it. i could go on and on...but its just too sad of a day.

157 loppyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:12:52am

BBL

158 Adrenalyn  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:13:06am

re: #146 MandyManners

I'm willing to offer an initial excuse that perhaps they meant only the west coast Hollywood crowd and not all of us

I hate to feed upon ourselves this or any other day.

/optimist mode

159 opnion  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:13:15am

'An act of Jihad", how accurate & to the point.
On a bright note, I just got my McCain yard signs delivered.
I have two out. Hard to get McCain/Palin, but my friend promised that we are at the top of his list.

160 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:13:18am

Posted my memories on the last thread. To long to inflict on the host by reposting here.

161 Ice-9  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:13:34am

A terrible, terrible day indeed. And we definitely need a reminder every year. At least until somebody catches that Bin Laden guy. Whatever happened to him, anyway?

162 Guy_Philly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:13:36am

I attended a very moving ceremony this morning in DC at the Department of Labor. Nobody at that ceremony forgot ... we never will!

7 years ago, I was a professor at a small school in wester PA. A student came up to me after class and said, "planes crashed into both World Trade Centers." I remember saying, "that just could not be - it sounds like some sort of Internet story," and we checked a reliable website to see if it was being reported anywhere. When it was confirmed, I remember saying "this changes everything." shortly afterward, we heard that another plane crashed 30 minutes from our school. Initially, I thought it was coincidence (not able to fully comprehend the enormity of the attacks), but with the rest of the sane world, soon accepted the fact that we were in a new war.

163 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:13:42am

re: #112 Iron Fist
Or ever Forgiven, either.

164 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:14:05am

re: #150 loppyd

Hi Jammie,

I agree about the Gaudet brothers film. But I have not seen Flight 93, though I feel I need to and I will.

Do so. It's actually well done. Just remember that there are two films, Flight 93, which is a made-for-TV movie; and United 93, which was shown in theaters. I've seen both.

165 smokefire  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:14:24am

re: #150 loppyd

Loppy, must have stayed up late last night.

14 innings and only 2 lousy runs.
Damn Sox, they will break your heart...........again

166 BrianA  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:14:41am

I'll never forget and I'll fight for my freedom, against emenies both abroad and at home, to the very end.

Join the NRA

167 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:14:46am

Rush is already on fire today.

168 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:15:09am

re: #159 opnion

'An act of Jihad", how accurate & to the point.
On a bright note, I just got my McCain yard signs delivered.
I have two out. Hard to get McCain/Palin, but my friend promised that we are at the top of his list.

I usually go out and get ALOT of campaign signs and distribute them to my "Knowledgeable Patients". I haven't gotten the McCain/Palin ones yet and the troops are starting to grumble. I better get moving.

169 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:15:32am

re: #156 acfunk

I've been watching the replay from that day on MSNBC. Crying like I did that day 7 years ago. I live in Atlantic City, NJ, where the Air National Guard was responsible that day for scrambling fighter jets. I remember hearing the roar of the engines overhead but thinking "what could they possibly do, shoot 'em down?" Then we learned the incredible story of Todd Beamer and others on Flight 93. Crying again.

One thing that stays with me throughout these past 7 years that I have to get off my chest: What if the government had rock-solid information about the plan for 9/11 and then successfully STOPPED it? Can you imagine the speech the President would have to give? "My fellow Americans, I just blew up a guy in a cave that you never heard of because we have credible information that he was planning an attack. I am sending troops into Afganistan to expel the Taliban, a group you never heard of. I can't share with you the intelligence, due to the sensitive nature of the operations..."

First of all, NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE HIM! " A guy in a cave? You dumb cowboy, you flushed away Clinton's peace in the middle east because of a guy in a cave? Because Richard Clarke wrote a memo? What about Saddam Hussein? That's the real mad man!"

Ah, phuck it. i could go on and on...but its just too sad of a day.

DING.
And I just copied the text to pass along in some e-mails.
Hope I'm not doing a copyright infringement or something, but that one needs to be passed on.

170 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:15:36am

re: #126 Racer X
Great post my friend.
Just add at the end:
"Never Forgive".

171 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:15:36am

Gina Gershon Strips Down Sarah Palin

One of Bill Clintons ho's whose only intellectual accomplishment is being able to pretend to be someone else poking fun at Palin and essentially calling her stupid.

172 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:15:45am

re: #167 JammieWearingFool

Rush is already on fire today.

As well he should be. It was even during the attacks that the leftists went after Bush, on the freaking air.

173 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:16:00am

re: #164 Honorary Yooper

Do so. It's actually well done. Just remember that there are two films, Flight 93, which is a made-for-TV movie; and United 93, which was shown in theaters. I've seen both.

I'm referring to the one that was in theaters. I watched it on cable some time ago.

174 Czarny_Smok  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:16:07am

I will never forget, nor will I ever forgive. May God Bless our Country, especially now, and may He guide and keep our Military safe.

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you; Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

175 HouTexJew  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:16:27am

I have not forgotten.

176 Cartman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:16:35am

May God bless and keep all those innocents that perished, and grant serenity to those families who survive.

May God DAMN for all eternity those who planned and executed this savage act, as well as ALL islamists who even entertain the thought of trying something like this again.

177 opnion  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:16:46am

re: #168 Nevergiveup

I usually go out and get ALOT of campaign signs and distribute them to my "Knowledgeable Patients". I haven't gotten the McCain/Palin ones yet and the troops are starting to grumble. I better get moving.

I now have a bunch of yard signs to distribute.

178 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:16:57am

re: #132 Ben Hur
Hell, Ben, CNN isn't about unifying, it's about propogandizing.

179 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:17:32am
180 opnion  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:18:34am

Yo yo, Word up! FNC is repoting that Kanye West & his road manager just got busted at LAX. Apparently an altercation with a member of the press.

181 gutneshama  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:18:53am

The American Flag of Honor with the names of all those victims of 9/11 is proudly hung on my living room wall. I read those names every, single night. Jews, Christians and Moslem alike are listed.

G-d bless America. Keep her safe and secure and free.

182 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:19:26am

I was up at 2:30 a.m. posting on LGF this morning. For some reason, this is a particularly difficult anniversary for me. As I've mentioned, I work for Marsh & McLennan and we lost nearly 300 colleagues when the first plane hit. Our sales office was in the second tower and they escaped after a 1993 survivor told everyone to leave despite the instructions that came over the intercom telling them to stay put. Many of those people lost their jobs in 2005 when Eliot Spitzer used Marsh as his stepping stone to the governorship (and we all know how that turned out!). They survived 9-11, but not the political aspirations of one man. Sad....

183 Atweber  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:19:30am

Charles' slideshow should be required viewing in every school in America ---very well done!--and thanks

184 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:19:35am

Love thy neighbor ... until he knocks your buildings down. Then kick his ass.

185 Kaptain  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:19:39am

I spent quite a bit of time this morning rereading the "never forget" cache that Charles has maintained for us. Had to quit, still could not stand it. Tilly's story is absolutely overwhelming, each time I read it.

Thank you, Charles, for maintaining those threads & keeping LGF running magnificently.

186 smokefire  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:20:01am

re: #180 opnion

.................aw gee, thats too bad.

I can hear it now...................."the bitch set me up", no wait that has already been used.

187 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:20:08am

re: #154 buzzsawmonkey
Indeed

You could see the glow of the unextinguished fires in the bowels of the wreckage across the river for weeks afterwards.

and we who lived in midtown Manhattan smelled it for a month or more afterwards.

188 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:20:20am

Looking at all the idiots down there today, I want to barf. I took my wife and kids to ground zero on 9/11/02....there were some of those guys then, but now it looks like a circus. There were still burn marks on the buildings around the site and some of the other buildings were still damaged. I used to go to the DHL office in the mall area under the Twin Towers when I worked in the city back in the 1980's. When I went back there again and did not see the two towers for the first time, it was like part of my body and soul had been removed. All of those people, regardless of what they are trying say, should give the people that died that day some respect.....I feel like going down there again and passing out free knuckle sandwiches to the lot of them...ugh! They should treat that area with some respect.

189 Dustoff-507  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:20:43am

OK, I'm back. I had to unload on a 9/11 nut. It's hard to believe they are still out there.
Gezzzz.


Phew feel better now.

190 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:20:54am

I will never forget the event or the victims, but for the cause, it is not a matter of just rememberance, it is a matter of understanding and, for the fallen and for all of us, response.

191 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:21:23am

The photo of my husband and me that sits on my desk at work was taken in Windows on the World in 1998.

192 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:22:33am

re: #172 Honorary Yooper

As well he should be. It was even during the attacks that the leftists went after Bush, on the freaking air.

I was stranded north of the border that day after my flight home was canceled. By 2 pm that day some jerkoff I was speaking with started dragging Israel into the discussion and saying we had it coming. It took all the restraint I could muster to avoid decapitating him.

I was at a hotel in Montreal and I'll never forget seeing a lot of Arab types all buzzing on the cell phones. They all had the look of smug satisfaction on their faces. It wasn't until the early morning of 9/13 when I was able to drive out of Canada. I've crossed the border into and out of Canada probably a hundred times over the years but never had I been so happy to return to the USA.

It was one of the eeriest scenes though, seeing military all over the place and the crossing at Port Champlain was absolutely deserted. Driving south I don't think I saw any other vehicles other than police for about 100 miles. One of the spookiest drives I ever had.

193 skwired  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:22:57am

I can't help but think of these things every year on this day.

194 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:24:22am

re: #158 Adrenalyn

I'm willing to offer an initial excuse that perhaps they meant only the west coast Hollywood crowd and not all of us

I hate to feed upon ourselves this or any other day.

/optimist mode

I agree 100 per cent.

195 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:24:44am

Totally, utterly OT, but it just shows a bit of how the leftist mind works, so not completely:

In an article this morning in the SF Chronicle in which the writer tells readers to vote for a ballot proposition legalizing prostitution in San Francisco, a commenter made the following comment, which the editors featured as the "best" comment:

"...for those of you who don't like the "Tranny Hookers" on your corner- well, honey, they were there long before your yuppie ass moved to the city, so actually, you are ruining THEIR neighborhood. Get over yourself and move to the suburbs if you don't like the city. Tranny hookers are people too, and maybe it would be easier for you to remember that if you ever started treating them as such. Compassion is the only thing that will ever break through bigotry like yours."

My head is spinning.

196 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:24:49am

9/11 troofers should be thankful they live in a society where they're free to spew their bilge. But they're too stupid to realize that if they acted like that in certain countries they'd disappear and never be seen again.

197 kynna  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:24:59am

It is doubly painful this year for me as I watch this presidential election and Barack Obama, a man who has allied with enemies of this country time and time again, is so close to winning the White House.

Who would have thought? Not in my wildest nightmares.

I will never forget. And I will never stop being proud of how George W. Bush took out the Taliban shortly after that horrible day. It's not over and there have been mistakes made, but it was so amazing to see an American president actually stand up for our country and take action.

And it's good to know that McCain would have done the same.

God Bless America.

198 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:25:01am

I was on Long Island that day, watching it all happen live on News 12. I remember being in a bar in Islip after work told everyone to go home. The hotel bar was filled with pilots and flight attendants who worked for Southwest. They didn't know anyone on board the four flights, but their feeling of loss and devastation were the same. These were their collegues. This could have just as easily been them. And of course, they were Americans, too; feeling the same violation that (most of) the rest of us were feeling on top of it.

199 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:25:47am

I've been in NYC and environs at least 5 or 6 times since 9/11 and I still can't bring myself to go down to Ground Zero.

200 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:25:48am

re: #146 MandyManners

But, to paint everyone on the West Coast with such a broad brush as he did?

Thank you Mandy. I don't think I could have responded civilly to that.

201 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:25:59am

re: #195 zombie

Tranny Hookers are people too.....who knew?

202 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:26:07am

Outrageous! Outrageous!

/Daschle.

203 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:26:24am

Fucking Troofers.

204 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:26:51am

re: #65 StudSupreme

[deleted]

205 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:27:53am

re: #196 JammieWearingFool

9/11 troofers should be thankful they live in a society where they're free to spew their bilge. But they're too stupid to realize that if they acted like that in certain countries they'd disappear and never be seen again.

That's backwards, no offense.
The troofers would be publicized in "certain countries" and made heroes.
It's us non-troofers that would would disappear in those countries.

206 opnion  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:28:00am

re: #199 doppelganglander

I've been in NYC and environs at least 5 or 6 times since 9/11 and I still can't bring myself to go down to Ground Zero.


The first time that I flew into Newark & looked over to Manhattan, the skyline was still a shock. I knew the towers were gone but you still go through cognitive dissonance.

207 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:29:06am

Two of the many things I remember:

1. Most people I spoke with in the days following said, "Thank G-d Al Gore isn't president.

2. Bush on the pile with the fireman. I said, "He just got re-elected." And because of that, it's the exact moment the Dems went ape-shit and started attacking Bush.

Comic Relief:

Making Politics Simple

208 Dustoff-507  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:29:26am

re: #205 jwb7605


Not is Russia, if it had happened to them instead of us.

209 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:29:35am

re: #192 JammieWearingFool Hi Jammie - some 3 weeks after the attacks on 9/11, my then wife and I took two married couples (one had just arrived from Arizona) to dinner.
One of the other men started in with "Well we really should examine our foreign policy with regards to Israel to try to understand their motivation for attacking the WTC" and I exploded. In a very crowded, but subdued restaurant, at full voice I told him that the opinons of mass murderers carried no weight AT ALL with me and I REFUSED to allow the victims to be blamed for that intentionally murderous attack.
It wasn't until the three women (all Jews, btw) there grabbed me, that I realized I had grabbed him by his shirtfront and was prepared to truly beat the shit out of him.
The feeling of murderous rage that permeated MOST of Manhattan - indeed most of NYC - was something palpable in those times.
How quickly some were to rationalize those attacks and, sadly, how many fail to even remember them.

210 yesandno  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:29:49am

The films of the attack should be played many times each year...not just once in a while via some cable show.

Every American should see it until they understand what was planned, what actually happened, and what has not happened since that day. It is constantly stated that a picture is worth a thousand words...then let us see them and make up our own minds as to what is going on.

Try and remember what happened every day, every year until we can prevent it from ever happening again.

God Bless them all...and God Bless George Bush...and God Bless America.

211 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:30:51am

Good afternoon, my pixelated friends.

Why did I feel that the most important thing I could do was to come here and spend some time with you all?

212 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:30:59am

re: #208 Dustoff-507

Not is Russia, if it had happened to them instead of us.


I note the distinction.

213 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:31:08am

re: #182 jill e

I was up at 2:30 a.m. posting on LGF this morning. For some reason, this is a particularly difficult anniversary for me. As I've mentioned, I work for Marsh & McLennan and we lost nearly 300 colleagues when the first plane hit. Our sales office was in the second tower and they escaped after a 1993 survivor told everyone to leave despite the instructions that came over the intercom telling them to stay put. Many of those people lost their jobs in 2005 when Eliot Spitzer used Marsh as his stepping stone to the governorship (and we all know how that turned out!). They survived 9-11, but not the political aspirations of one man. Sad....

Many more will not survive the political aspirations of Obama if he becomes president.

My condolences on the loss of your co-workers.

214 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:31:15am

re: #195 zombie

How is promoting prostitution compassionate? Does this person honestly believe that hookers enjoy their lifestyle choice? Most prostitutes, tranny and otherwise, have a history of drug addiction and sexual abuse. The most compassionate thing you can do for a hooker is to arrest her, if that's what it takes to help her get off the streets. I will never understand the moonbat mind.

215 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:31:15am

I will never forget. Ever. And to the fair-weather patriots who felt a fleeting kumbayah moment in the aftermath but have gone on to show their derision for the ideal that is America (aka most of the Democrat party):

We will not forget you, either. From Harry Reid who proclaimed the war in Iraq "lost" last year, to all those sniveling, simpering "Celebrities" like Alec Baldwin and Susan Sarandan who threaten to leave our shores if they don't get their prissy little way, to Barack Obama, who now says the surge was a success though he was never for it before, and who declined to visit with our wounded troops in Germany because he couldn't get a good photo op out of it.

We won't forget. And on November 4, when we walk into that voting booth and the curtain is closed, you'll see how damned good our memory is.

Personally, I miss Barbara Olsen - her quick wit and biting truth on Larry King was a thing of beauty to watch. RIP, Mrs. Olsen.

216 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:31:29am

re: #158 Adrenalyn

I'm willing to offer an initial excuse that perhaps they meant only the west coast Hollywood crowd and not all of us
I hate to feed upon ourselves this or any other day.
/optimist mode

that's quite obviously what he meant, however un-artfully stated.

217 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:31:31am

re: #100 kawfytawk

My husband and I went to the movie theater here in TX to see United 93. When it was over no one got up and all you heard was soft sobbing. It was a VERY emotional experience. We didn't even speak on the drive home.....honestly it makes me weep as I remember.

We watched the dvd together. It has a power to draw us in and imagine being there with them and learn what had happened as they did. Anyone who has ever been an airline passenger could identify with the choices they had to make. It was stunning.

218 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:31:51am

re: #207 Ben Hur

2. Bush on the pile with the fireman. I said, "He just got re-elected." And because of that, it's the exact moment the Dems went ape-shit and started attacking Bush.

Politics over country.

Or to paraphrase McCain, winning an election more important than winning a war.

219 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:31:54am
220 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:31:57am

re: #137 JammieWearingFool

It took me awhile, but I did watch Flight 93.

It's difficult, but I did it out of tribute to those heroes.

I still find the documentary by the Gaudet brothers to be the most jarring yet poignant piece ever released. My wife's cousin is prominently featured in there while in the command center of the north tower. Seeing the look on his face is haunting. He's lucky to be alive but he lost 343 brothers that day.

That documentary was outstanding.

It drove home, for me, all the suffernings of the ordinary folks, and itmade the firemen shine as beacons of heroism.
'Only doing their duty' - but well knowing that this might be the last thing they ever did in their lives.

It showed things which got lost in the overwhelming live reports of that day, when so much was still unknown.

222 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:32:35am

re: #199 doppelganglander
It took me 4 years to go down there and I only went because I had to move out of NYC and I just had to pay my respects in person.

223 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:32:46am

Charles - Whenever I hit the reply or quote button, I keep getting redirected back to the main page

224 smokefire  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:33:12am

Here is another....................just in case.

OH BTW, NEVER FORGET THIS ONE EITHER.]


225 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:33:28am

re: #209 realwest

Hi Jammie - some 3 weeks after the attacks on 9/11, my then wife and I took two married couples (one had just arrived from Arizona) to dinner.
One of the other men started in with "Well we really should examine our foreign policy with regards to Israel to try to understand their motivation for attacking the WTC" and I exploded. In a very crowded, but subdued restaurant, at full voice I told him that the opinons of mass murderers carried no weight AT ALL with me and I REFUSED to allow the victims to be blamed for that intentionally murderous attack.
It wasn't until the three women (all Jews, btw) there grabbed me, that I realized I had grabbed him by his shirtfront and was prepared to truly beat the shit out of him.
The feeling of murderous rage that permeated MOST of Manhattan - indeed most of NYC - was something palpable in those times.
How quickly some were to rationalize those attacks and, sadly, how many fail to even remember them.

I'm like that, too.
Twice in my life I've had to say "I did what?"
I offered no apology, though.

226 Flavia  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:33:43am

"If someone is coming to kill you, rise up first and kill this person"

(Talmud, Berakhot 62b)

227 jill e  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:34:09am

After seven years, there should be an identical pair of towers sitting in defiance in the very same spot.

228 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:34:14am

re: #65 StudSupreme

I've noticed a stunning difference between east and west coast reactions to the significance of this day.
West coasters ridicule it.

I'm an east coaster. And I have not forgotten.

Nor shall I ever forgive.

Wide brush you paint with.

229 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:34:34am
230 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:34:35am

re: #226 Flavia

"If someone is coming to kill you, rise up first and kill this person"

(Talmud, Berakhot 62b)

The Rodef?

231 ducktrapper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:35:02am

Bless them and screw them!

232 Dahveed  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:35:14am

MSNBC was replaying 9/11 coverage from the Today Show. There was a reporter on the ground after the first tower collapsed. In the background were a group of firefighters going to the other tower. I'm sure many of these men knew they were going to their death that day. Yet they went anyway. What totally incredible people. To say that you will sacrifice your life to save another.

They were true heroes. They will be remembered always.

233 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #65 StudSupreme

I've noticed a stunning difference between east and west coast reactions to the significance of this day.
West coasters ridicule it.

I'm an east coaster. And I have not forgotten.

Nor shall I ever forgive.

Well, you're not in my "hood," that's fer sure. Up and down the streets, flags - on poles, mounted on porches, planted in ground. I'm about as south and west as you can get and still be in the US - I assure you, I'm not seeing any ridicule.

234 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:35:32am

re: #215 Intrepid
Just a wonderful post. Thank you for that.

235 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:36:02am

re: #209 realwest

Reasoned response, sir.

236 BaseballMom57  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:36:09am

Apparently Obama has left the 9-11 service and will momentarily arrive at Bill Clinton's Harlem office for a little "private lunch".

Call me nuts, but I find that offensive, if not sacreligious.

Obama: "Let's get out of here - I got a date with Hilary's husband in Harlem."
/

237 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:36:25am

re: #201 Desert Dog

Tranny Hookers are people too.....who knew?

Really weird people, but people none-the-less.

238 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:36:27am

Front Page of the Seattle Least Intelligence.
9/11 is in the AP side bar.

KING 5, it rates in "more top stories."

The words "tragedy" and speaking of the "lost" abound.
Pathetic weak cowardly words.

We were attacked and our citizens killed by evil men on a mission of evil.

Since they our military under the direction has liberated 50 million people and rooted out the enemy in two safe haven countries, our enemies have been pursued, and killed elsewhere. Our intelligence, military, and law enforcement has prevent further attacks against us at home.

The criticism of the President started within hours, "he was hiding on Air Force One" and has not let up.

We must not forget, the events of that day, nor the responses of those in leadership positions those who stood, those who cowered in the following days, months and years.

Never forgetting means not returning to the policies that played a part in allowing the attacks to take place. That's not politicizing the memory of day, that's cold hard truth. Never forget has a flip side, if you turn the coin of Never Forget over, it says on the other side Never Again.

Never Forget is empty meaningless rhetoric with out the strength, courage and will to say and make Never Again a reality.

God Bless the United States of America.
God Bless George W. Bush.
God Bless all in Uniform serving to keep us safe.

239 2by2  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:36:38am

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

The artist Eric Fischl came in for a huge amount of condemnation for making a sculpture of a jumping/falling body not long after 9/11.

Were it not that the sculpture shows victimization rather than anger, retaliation, and triumph, I would support that sculpture being part of a memorial, simply because it shows, graphically, part of the horror of that day better than any damned reflecting pool, wall of memory, or grove of trees.

I want a memorial that shows heroism and sacrifice and, yes, pain. I don't want something that papers over the incident with phony peacifying.

It is amazing that almost no serious artists have come up with something substantial,
regarding 9/11. It seems that the magnitude of the event has rendered a lot of us speechless. It may also be a sign of the sorry state of the art in the Western World, that it isn't able to bring forth a meaningful reaction to the attacks.
Eric Fishl's sculpture was not art, unfortunately, it didn't transcend the horror, it just displayed a news image, we had seen too many times.
It was, so to speak, devoid of authentic experience, which can't be gained by watching the news.
Here's a link to 2 paintings, (called "the gatherings"), I did in the year after 9/11, they depict the first Friday night after the attacks when we were standing vigil at street corners in Manhattan, in front of makeshift memorials at fire stations.
I was thoroughly shaken by the attacks and wasn't able to work for about 2-3 months, my previous work seemed completely meaningless in the face of this new reality of a global jihad. Then I took it as an artistic challenge and tried to look at us, the survivors of it.
Needless to say that 9/11 changed my approach to national and international politics
completely from somewhat indifferent to vigilant American.
The paintings will be on permanent display at the new National 9/11 Memorial and Museum at Ground Zero.

240 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:36:44am

re: #199 doppelganglander

I've been in NYC and environs at least 5 or 6 times since 9/11 and I still can't bring myself to go down to Ground Zero.


It was 5 years since 9/11 that I first went down there. I had no idea they put up a gawking station. The tourists were in throngs. I didn't recognize where I was. It was very disorienting seeing Century 21 dept. store with NO World Trade Center in front of it. I clung to the fence looking at the holes in the ground and cried like a little girl. I had never shown emotion quite like that in a public place since my own sister died 20 years ago.

For some, time means nothing. For others September is a punchline.

241 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:37:13am

re: #170 realwest

Hi RW!

I am in tears today man.

I will forgive. I will forgive the radical islamists when they no longer have the capacity to ever, EVER harm another innocent soul again. I will forgive when they are utterly and completely obliterated, wiped from the earth and forgotten. I will forgive when their ancestors no longer remember who they were, yet they know of brave Americans.

Thats when I will forgive.

242 Idle Drifter  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:37:28am

I will remember this day for the rest of my life and what I did after. I had just came into the common area and duty station from PT. Hot, sweaty but energized only to stare at the TV with disbelief at what was happening. I thought it was some kind accident until I saw the next plain slam into the second tower. "We're at War." was all I could say. Almost immediately MCAS Yuma, AZ was on full alert with heavy machine guns stationed at the base entrance with roving patrols with loaded rifles and machine guns.

A few months later I was upgrading all throttle quads and control sticks as a intermediate electrician 6432 for all the AV-8B Harriers 40 pieces in under three days to drop hell on our enemies on board the LHD-6 Bonhomme Richard part of the 13th MEU 500 lbs at a time. I hope this continues for the future "until victory is America's and there is no enemy but peace." ---Ending of the Rifleman's Creed

Now I work in the Rockies building and repairing tools that will help us extract oil and natural gas from American soil. Drill, baby drill! McCain and Palin for '08!

243 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #240 NoSubmission
pimf
September 11

244 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:37:39am

re: #225 jwb7605
Neither did I.
And to his credit, he apologized for his remarks - some Americans were still in a state of absolute shock and tried to "understand" why those mass murders took place.

245 lurking faith  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:38:19am

Never forget.
Never surrender.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

246 Flavia  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:38:33am

re: #60 zombie

I've never watched the film "Flight 93." I simply couldn't bear it.

Heck, I couldn't even watch that stupid "Titanic" movie. I have never seen Schindler's List, either. I live in DC & cannot bring myself to go to the museum. But my daughter is becoming Bas Mitzvah next year; I'll have to take her by then.

247 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:38:35am

CNN is running a whitewash piece by CAIR's own legal director, Arsalan Iftikhar, to commemorate 9/11:

[Link: ac360.blogs.cnn.com...]

Stay classy, MSM.

248 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:39:06am

re: #232 Dahveed
Amen.

249 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:39:29am

Watch the new documentary on History channel tonight at 9pm EDT
Here is a preview:

250 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:39:45am

re: #227 jill e

After seven years, there should be an identical pair of towers sitting in defiance in the very same spot.

One story taller.

251 WitchDoctor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:39:58am

re: #187 realwest

I visited the twin towers site in late October 2001. You could still smell it... It was still smoking.

For the record I'm from Washington state, which happens to be on the WEST COAST.

252 loppyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:40:24am

re: #238 jcm

AMEN, brother!

253 Cartman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:40:33am

Man, I'm looking out the window, and today is virtually a carbon copy of what I recall on that day - same temperature, same pristine, azure sky. I can recall, almost minute for minute the surreality of that entire, horrible morning. This truly is an occasion for reflection...

254 Cygnus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:40:39am

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Obama v. McCain by Amir Taheri

The difference between the two candidates laid out clearly and objectively. Three pages: read it all.

God help us if Obama gets elected.
I, for one, will NEVER forget.

Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine
Et lux perpetua luceat eis.

255 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:40:52am

re: #238 jcm
WOW. What a great, great post my friend.
Thank you.
Ought to be read in primetime newsbroadcasts, but of course it won't be.

256 HippieforLife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:40:54am

re: #87 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Okay, there went my mascara.

I know I will never forget.

257 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:41:06am

re: #251 WitchDoctor

For the record I'm from Washington state, which happens to be on the WEST COAST.

Wet side or dry side? Wet side here, the belly of the beast Seattle!

258 mikalm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:41:16am

re: #195 zombie

That's a Violet Blue fan, innit? I consider that woman almost as much of a thoroughly-contemptible, walking-stereotype SF-uberhipster as her fellow SFGate scribbler M*** M*****d (sorry, can't bring myself to spell his name on this day).

259 loppyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:41:22am

re: #253 Cartman

Man, I'm looking out the window, and today is virtually a carbon copy of what I recall on that day - same temperature, same pristine, azure sky. I can recall, almost minute for minute the surreality of that entire, horrible morning. This truly is an occasion for reflection...

Thought the same thing this morning. In fact, every beautiful late summer morning such as this always reminds me....

260 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:41:44am

re: #211 Silhouette

Good afternoon, my pixelated friends.
Why did I feel that the most important thing I could do was to come here and spend some time with you all?

was thinking the same thing as I got into the office this morning. :)

261 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:41:50am

re: #11 NoSubmission

Never forget.

Here's my report from Ground Zero this morning.

I like the guy with the Obama sign (pics 2 and 3). He even has the cellophane wrap for when the troofer monkeys start throwing their feces.

262 ducktrapper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:42:10am

I would like to see at least one memorial consisting of a giant finger pointing in the proper direction. But that's just me.

263 SouthAmericanWay  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:42:19am
"Beautiful thoughts on September 11",

brought to you by
"The Guy who lives in B. Hussein Obama's neighborhood"

264 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:42:22am

re: #251 WitchDoctor
Uh,

For the record I'm from Washington state, which happens to be on the WEST COAST.

What made you feel you needed to add that line?

265 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:42:24am

re: #123 ladycatnip

#69 Krager...


I, too, made myself watch "Flight 93". That was when I discovered I had a rose in my garden called Nicole Carol Miller, which is a 9/11 memorial rose. At the time I bought it there was no mention of 9/11; I just presumed it was named after someone notable and I wanted it in my garden for its beauty. Now when I walk through my rose garden I am always reminded that this rose is a memorial of a beautiful young woman on flight 93.

I'm glad I watched the movie.

What a wonderful memory - thank you for telling us.

266 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:42:26am

re: #60 zombie

I've never watched the film "Flight 93." I simply couldn't bear it.

Same here. I view every 9/11 as a long, important day of remembrance of all the horrors of that day. I've taped the "real time" playbacks by Fox and MSNBC so my kids can watch them when they're older and know what it was like as it was happening. I think it's important to remember and feel the anguish again every year and I find it is exhausting and torturous, especially when I think of all the families my family knows that lost someone that day. I feel like I owe it to them to mourn and reexperience it every year (and other days besides 9/11). I know that for me watching a movie of the Flight 93 heroes and what they went through, knowing they were going to die, would be too crushing.

267 Flavia  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:42:52am

re: #230 Creeping Eruption

The Rodef?

[Link: www.myjewishlearning.com...]

"Failing to kill the rodef is understood as a violation of the biblical command, "Do not stand by the blood of your brother" (Leviticus 19:16)."

"Rodef" is specifically translated as "the pursuer", & yes, it is meant as someone who pursues to murder.

268 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:43:07am

re: #11 NoSubmission

Never forget.

Here's my report from Ground Zero this morning.

Your snaps gave me inspiration for next year. I need to get a NYFD and NYPD 'flag' as well as a flag from each branch of the service for next year in front of my house. Thanks

269 Perry  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:43:22am

Google has forgotten. I'll not link.

270 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:43:51am

re: #133 gearhead

Not wanting to watch the terrorist rant.

Is Adam Gadahn in it?

He plays a large number of bit parts.

271 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:43:54am

re: #269 Perry

Google has forgotten. I'll not link.

"Forgot" my ass

272 BaseballMom57  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #227 jill e

I totally agree. I don't understand the reasoning behind not doing that.

273 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:44:45am

re: #270 Son of the Black Dog

He plays a large number of bit parts.

The performance just blew him away?

274 Perry  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:45:52am

re: #271 Creeping Eruption

Yep. :-(

275 Ilxixiixs  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:45:53am

It was my birthday then like it is now. So pretty, the sky blue and without a cloud. The sun bright and warming on a cool morning. Now I weep on my way to work. Another year older, flags at half staff, tears for the Americans who died that day and those who still will because of it.

God bless the USA.

276 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:46:18am

re: #236 BaseballMom57

Apparently Obama has left the 9-11 service and will momentarily arrive at Bill Clinton's Harlem office for a little "private lunch".

Call me nuts, but I find that offensive, if not sacreligious.

Obama: "Let's get out of here - I got a date with Hilary's husband in Harlem."
/

That just sucks. Excuse my language. "Okay, I'm done with the memorial thing. Now for the important bootlicking to try to save my campaign."

Spit.

277 WitchDoctor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:46:40am

re: #257 jcm

Wet, heck even wetter (Penninsula :)

278 bcgirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:47:04am

i have that flag too today it is my yard flying high,, last year i drive around town with it on my truck,, got some dirtylooks and some thumbs up, but mostly no reaction,,

i live far way from NYC and have never been there but had always dreamed of going there and even had recently purchased a large pic of the NY skyline days before 9/11 which still hangs on my living room wall,, no I will never forget i will never ever forget


re: #26 Fat Jolly Penguin

The Healing Field in my city is on display. These are the flags they're flying, one of which I bought and is currently on my flagpole outside. (Yes, that's the name of every single victim from the attacks on that flag.)

279 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:47:10am

re: #262 ducktrapper

I would like to see at least one memorial consisting of a giant finger pointing in the proper direction. But that's just me.

Although many scholars disagree that what we call 'flipping the bird' dates back to Agincourt*, as goes the often repeated tale, if true it would mean that flipping the bird is an ultimately appropriate response, because it arose as an act of defiance by those that were NOT defeated when the opponents were certain they would be.

*the story goes that the French said they would cut off the bow fingers from all the English archers' hands, so that they could never again draw a bow. The English won, and showed their still attached fingers as a taunt.

280 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:47:10am

re: #251 WitchDoctor
I'm still waiting for you to respond to my #264.

281 Gearhead  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:47:11am

re: #270 Son of the Black Dog

He plays a large number of bit parts.

Guess I'll have to watch. People were looking to this message as an indication of whether he was dead or not.

Hope it's old footage of the traitor.

282 SevoGuy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:47:47am

I am going to put 2 + 2 together for all those Americans out there that have forgotten September 11, 2001.

Let's jump forwar in time to the date September 11, 2010. September 11, 2010, early morning, let's say 8:47am. All of a sudden the TV's, Radio's, cell phones, and home/business phones start ringing at the same time. We have just learned that ISLAMIC terrorists have just blown up the White House, The Capital Building, Empire State Building, Sears Tower and blew up a nuclear dirty bomb at Disney World. Estimates are in the hundreds of thousands dead.

We will all be asking President Obama (nation): How could this have happened? Why did you, President Obama, repeal the Patriot Act.......Oh, I remember now, because it singled out to many muslims. How could the ISLAMIC terrorists have been able to plan these attacks and pulled them off, we will ask. Didn't you, President Obama (nation) say to America, during your State of the Union address, that America had plenty of safeguards in place to thwart a terrorist attack? The patriot act was no longer needed.

Hasn't the Patriot Act kept us safe the past 7 years from ISLAMIC terrorism?

WAKE UP PEOPLE. GET THOSE FLAGS OUT.
NEVER FORGET 9/11.
NEVER FORGET WHOSE RELIGION PERPETRATED 9/11.
NEVER FORGET WHERE 15 OF THE 19 HIJACKERS CAME FROM.

283 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:47:48am

re: #261 CommonCents

I like the guy with the Obama sign (pics 2 and 3). He even has the cellophane wrap for when the troofer monkeys start throwing their feces.

LOL! He wasn't kidding around. I gave him total props for being out there alone like that.

284 bbuddha  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:48:18am

# 11 No Submission
Thanks for the pics. Days like today I'm doubly glad I don't live in NYC.

Suprisingly, My employer (in an ultra blue state) had a moment of silence around the flagpole.

285 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:49:01am

re: #269 Perry

Google has forgotten. I'll not link.

Forgot, my ass. Google just doesn't give a shit. Even Wikipedia has United Flight 93 as their featured article of the day.

286 WitchDoctor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:49:21am

re: #264 realwest

#65 inspired me to make that post. My wife and I traveled across the country to NY within weeks to show support. Telling me the "West coasters ridicule it." pissed me off.

287 Cartman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:49:23am

re: #280 realwest

I believe it is a sarcastic reference to post #65 in this thread.

288 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:49:26am

re: #275 Ilxixiixs

Happy Birthday!

289 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:49:28am

re: #275 Ilxixiixs

It was my birthday then like it is now. So pretty, the sky blue and without a cloud. The sun bright and warming on a cool morning. Now I weep on my way to work. Another year older, flags at half staff, tears for the Americans who died that day and those who still will because of it.

God bless the USA.

Happy birthday...

290 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:49:49am

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

Yours?
Can I copy?

291 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:50:03am
re: #236 BaseballMom57

Apparently Obama has left the 9-11 service and will momentarily arrive at Bill Clinton's Harlem office for a little "private lunch".

Call me nuts, but I find that offensive, if not sacreligious.

Obama: "Let's get out of here - I got a date with Hilary's husband in Harlem."
/

re: #276 livefreeor die

That just sucks. Excuse my language. "Okay, I'm done with the memorial thing. Now for the important bootlicking to try to save my campaign."

Spit.

Frankly, I didn't understand the / (sarc) tag at all from the original post.
Spit. (and not referencing the #236 BaseballMom57 post at all there.)

292 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:50:17am

re: #284 bbuddha
Well

Suprisingly, My employer (in an ultra blue state) had a moment of silence around the flagpole.

It's not all that surprising to me; just because someone lives or works or both in a blue state doesn't automatically make him or her a moonbat.
Good on your employer for that.

293 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:50:35am

re: #284 bbuddha

# 11 No Submission
Thanks for the pics. Days like today I'm doubly glad I don't live in NYC.

Suprisingly, My employer (in an ultra blue state) had a moment of silence around the flagpole.


I understand. But it is days like this that make me want to stay in NYC. Something about Septembers, and now we have 9/11 and seeing all those great New Yorkers out there today, who like me, lived it. It was the brightness off the day and the crisp feeling in the air. I look up now into that empty air space and see planes flying into towers.

Did I mention before how much I despise troofers!

294 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:51:18am

re: #287 Cartman
But I didn't make that stupid fucking comment #65 and indeed criticized it in my #71 !

295 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:51:58am

re: #269 Perry

Google has forgotten. I'll not link.

I don't think it appropriate for Google to run their "fun and lighthearted" banner modification today. A company logo is not, nor should it be, a memorial.

296 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:52:27am
297 BaseballMom57  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:52:56am

re: #291 jwb7605

Frankly, I didn't understand the / (sarc) tag at all from the original post.
Spit. (and not referencing the #236 BaseballMom57 post at all there.)

I'm sorry - I'm a newbie and perhaps did not utilise the tag correctly. I was being sarcastic by imagining what O might be saying as he rushes to leave the memorial.

298 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:52:57am

# 11 No Submission

It isn't often one reads the caption

The Mennonites were out in force!
299 Right Brain  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:53:38am

[Link: www.local3.com...]

I surfed into this electricians site today looking for labor. I was early on the scene about two minutes after the first plane hit and I stood at the foot of the north tower watching people jump.

Look at these guys, I wonder if I watched any of them try to add 15 seconds to their life.

Horrible now, still beyond belief.

300 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:54:05am

re: #298 Silhouette

# 11 No Submission

The Mennonites were out in force!

It isn't often one reads the caption


They were quite lovely and sang. I took some of their literature.

301 Cartman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:54:21am

re: #294 realwest

But I didn't make that stupid fucking comment #65 and indeed criticized it in my #71 !

Easy, R-Dubs! You asked the poster why he felt the need to include a mention that he was on the West coast. He was deriding post #65. See his response.

302 ronaldusmagnus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:54:27am

My audio is off - unable to listen to the vid.

My thoughts: notably absent in the video - any mention of Osama bin Laden. The silence of the western media, especially Americans, on this point is remarkable. Here we stand on the 7-year anniversary of September 11th, and not a word from Osama.

Gee, maybe the Americans did kill him - but any mention of that by American MSM would not help their cause - namely: Bush failed - bin Laden got away.

303 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:55:05am

re: #297 BaseballMom57

I'm sorry - I'm a newbie and perhaps did not utilise the tag correctly. I was being sarcastic by imagining what O might be saying as he rushes to leave the memorial.

I was hoping that was the case.
Been there, done that, still do the same thing occasionally by misteak...

304 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:55:33am

I have to get to work.
See you guys later.

305 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:55:51am

I was going to share my 9/11 story, but now I've decided not to. This day isn't about my story- it's about others. For me- there is no story of that day more powerful than that of United 93 and the brave passengers who stood up to evil. the overnight thread said:

Every action of our lives touches on some chord that will vibrate in eternity.

How more profoundly true could that be then the men and women who saved lives of people they didn't know? How many did they save and how have those lives gone on to touch cords.

No- I will never forget them, nor any of our dead. May we remember them best by preserving what they died protecting. GOd bless them, their families, and loved ones. And God bless America.

306 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:56:42am

re: #295 CyanSnowHawk
Well LGF isn't a "company" in the sense that you used that term, but Charles somehow manages to put the American Flag up on Memorial Day, July 4th and sometimes a Poppy or Flag on Veterans day - I don't see anything at all wrong or improper for an American company to do that.

307 Czarny_Smok  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:57:13am

re: #257 jcm

Wet side or dry side? Wet side here, the belly of the beast Seattle!

Northwest side here, up by the Canadian border. God Bless our Troops!

308 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:58:10am

re: #301 Cartman
See his response.
Where? And why do it in response to one of MY posts?

309 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:58:38am

re: #296 buzzsawmonkey
Buzzsawmonkey, I have a confession...there have been many times I've done a copy and paste of your comments (including the above) and sent them off to my husband at work to enjoy or ponder. I never asked if you minded and I'm sorry.

310 Intifan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:59:05am

God Bless America!

I will never forget...

311 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:59:15am

re: #258 mikalm

That's a Violet Blue fan, innit? I consider that woman almost as much of a thoroughly-contemptible, walking-stereotype SF-uberhipster as her fellow SFGate scribbler M*** M*****d (sorry, can't bring myself to spell his name on this day).

I actually rank Violet Blue beneath Mark Morford. Morford is at least comfortable in his evil. He has thorougly embraced his loathesomeness, and identifies with it. Violet Blue, however, imagines that she is morally superior, when in fact she is the biggest hypocrite and biggest moron in a city full of morons. It's her bone-deep lack of self-awareness, coupled with sky-high sanctimonious, that drives me around the bend. Every word out of her keyboard is inherently self-contradicting.

312 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:59:30am

re: #307 Czarny_Smok

Northwest side here, up by the Canadian border. God Bless our Troops!

We've got a few Gooey Ducks around, I don't count Pingjockey (he's a dry sider).

313 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:59:37am

re: #305 Sharmuta
Very fine post Sharm. Thank you and I'll join you in
God Bless America.

314 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 9:59:44am

re: #285 Honorary Yooper

Forgot, my ass. Google just doesn't give a shit. Even Wikipedia has United Flight 93 as their featured article of the day.

Google are assholes. No doubt about it.

What's a great alternative to google, I really want to minimize the use of this company.

315 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:00:05am

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Obama v. McCain by Amir Taheri

The difference between the two candidates laid out clearly and objectively. Three pages: read it all.

You can rate this report in the right column.

316 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:00:16am

I'm lucky I didn't know anyone lost on 9/11, but it was close.
My best friend from college worked there, but only 2 or 3 days a week; the rest of the time, he worked at home. He was home that day, but it took a while to get through to them and find out; acutally, IIRC, email worked before we could get a call through to them in Connecticut.
Less close, my boss's daughter worked across the street, and had only shortly before come out of the PATH station.

At the time, my immediate VP, was an Indian Muslim, who was certainly not the type to engage in terrorism, was also bothered by this being done in his religion's name. Of course, he'd be considered an apostate to Al Qaeda, and he worked for an Israeli-American company.

I haven't had the chance to go to Ground Zero, but I did see the memorial at the Intrepid museum a few years ago.

And I remember being unable to do anything but watch TV that day; one of our dogs watched with me - and he usually doesn't pay attention to the TV. He could tell something was going on.

317 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:00:27am

re: #297 BaseballMom57

I understood the tag -- that you weren't actually quoting Barry (just giving us some insight into what might be going on in a "mind of a Barry")...I tend to agree...I'm figuring that the 9/11 event is done for Barry's political gain (earn a few brownie points with the electorate), then scurry off to get down to the real business...(and that's all about getting the Clinton's on-board -- or make that enticing/demanding Hillary to come out and speak glowingly about "the wonders of Hussein" -- how much Hussein is a "feminist" etc. to counter Palin).

318 yma o hyd  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:00:48am

Oh - and one other thing we must indeed never forget:
that 'religion' which educated the men who flew these airliners; that religion which made the people in the ME - and in Western countries, even, which ahd given them shelter and homes - dance in the streets.

There can be no accomodation with them, none at all.
Any attempt to 'listen' to them, to let them preach their poison, must be resisted.
I'm not linking to a photo of the leader of that group, Muhammad Atta - but one look, and a perusal of his story, is all you need.

And don't believe the crap that it is the poor who do this - its the well-educated, middle-class muslims.
Never gorget - and never excuse them.

319 realwest  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:01:15am

re: #310 Intifan
And I hope you'll never forgive, either.

320 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:01:16am

re: #308 realwest

Let it go RW. I'm on the West coast and we get bashed all the time here. Not a big deal (to me anyway).

321 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:01:25am

re: #255 realwest

WOW. What a great, great post my friend.
Thank you.
Ought to be read in primetime newsbroadcasts, but of course it won't be.

RW,

Thanks, but the real thanks go every one of you who held a rifle and stood on the line.

322 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:01:30am

"You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word. It is victory. Victory at all costs - Victory in spite of all terrors - Victory, however long and hard the road may be, for without victory there is no survival."

-W. Churchill

323 Gmac  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:02:06am

Never forgive, never forget. Sic semper tyrannus.

324 Red Lion  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:03:06am

Death to bin Laden! If he's not already long gone, that is ... When was the last time he verifiably appeared in a contemporary videotape?

325 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:03:30am

"Patriot News" (democratic sockpuppet/waste of paper for Harrisburg, PA) had an article about the movie "Obsession", a documentary about the roots of the modern radical islamist movement. The front page article started with a lady in York, PA who was offended to receive a copy in the mail because she believes it is "racist propaganda meant to keep us living in fear"(significant paraphrase etc)... on the back of the first section the articles continues with a few words from the publishers who mailed out, gratis, some 28 million copies of the movie for the anniversary of 9/11...

I've exhibited the movie at the Origins Gaming Convention the last two years. It is not racist. It's a very well put together documentary. IMO the paper has an agenda and is so full of liberal bias it's rarely worth looking at anymore, although in the grand tradition of tilting at windmills I'll be sending in a letter to the editor about the article...

sigh...
sigh...

326 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:04:20am

No Consensus on Who Was Behind Sept 11 - Global Poll

While I - like so many others here - am still furious and saddened by 9/11, I take solace in the fact that Osama Bin Laden must be freaking out. Here's an idea for his next video:

"Hey! C'mon! It was me! Honest. Jeez what's a guy gotta do? Look, I promise, it was me! Didn't I come out right after and say so? Haven't I said so ever since? WTF, I've been stuck in this cave for seven years now, with the damn Marines showing up every time I stick my face out, and all I get from you is "not sure"? Well, all I can say is Bite Me."

Well, guess what Osama - it's only a matter of time before those Marines do bite you - literally. You savage bastard.

327 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:04:39am

I am currently looking for work ("contracts" have dried up ...)
I see 'opportunities' for positions at Google almost daily.

People cannot believe I've never even bothered applying for any position with them.
They just don't get it.
I'll sleep in the streets before I earn my keep from that philosophy.

328 trailortrash  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:04:40am

never forget.

329 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:05:22am

re: #327 jwb7605

I am currently looking for work ("contracts" have dried up ...)
I see 'opportunities' for positions at Google almost daily.

People cannot believe I've never even bothered applying for any position with them.
They just don't get it.
I'll sleep in the streets before I earn my keep from that philosophy.

There's always take the job there and moonlight as a mole...

330 bbuddha  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:05:37am

# 305
"there is no story of that day more powerful than that of United 93 and the brave passengers who stood up to evil. the overnight thread said:

Every action of our lives touches on some chord that will vibrate in eternity.

How more profoundly true could that be then the men and women who saved lives of people they didn't know? How many did they save and how have those lives gone on to touch cords."

Amen, Normal people thrown into a situation & making the ultimate sacrifice. Now I know the islamic radical nutjobs were not expecting that! When I heard about it I actually laughed out loud through my tears

Well time to get back to work

331 Is it me?  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:05:53am

It's tea-time here in England. My tea light is lit and the incense is burning.
I can remember as clear as day watching 9/11 live on TV and crying: partly in sympathy for those who were suffering but then in anger for those who could believe that this could ever be acceptable.

I still cannot look when films show the New York skyline with the Twin Towers standing. It takes me back to that day and the images I cannot get out of my mind.
I do not forget
I do not forgive

I also remember 7/7 in the same way. watching in horror and anger at the pointless, vicious destruction of innocent human beings. All too often I can see in my minds' eye the bus blown open like a bloodied rose.
I do not forget
I do not forgive

Have a peaceful evening one and all
Regards

332 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:05:55am

re: #329 anotherindyfilmguy

There's always take the job there and moonlight as a mole...

I'd be "outed" in ten seconds. Trust me.

333 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:06:09am

re: #150 loppyd

Hi Jammie,

I agree about the Gaudet brothers film. But I have not seen Flight 93, though I feel I need to and I will.

Send me an email I will mail one copy of United Flight 93 to you for free.
I have picked up a few copies at flea markets this year.

334 bcgirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:06:55am

thanks for that I think i also will get some NYPD and NYFD flags good idea

re: #268 Eowyn2

Your snaps gave me inspiration for next year. I need to get a NYFD and NYPD 'flag' as well as a flag from each branch of the service for next year in front of my house. Thanks

335 mikalm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:08:44am

re: #311 zombie

I actually rank Violet Blue beneath Mark Morford. Morford is at least comfortable in his evil. He has thorougly embraced his loathesomeness, and identifies with it. Violet Blue, however, imagines that she is morally superior, when in fact she is the biggest hypocrite and biggest moron in a city full of morons. It's her bone-deep lack of self-awareness, coupled with sky-high sanctimonious, that drives me around the bend. Every word out of her keyboard is inherently self-contradicting.

I hate to continue this off-topic exchange here, but I see your point. And I'd add that MM occasionally blunders onto a valid insight or a witty quip, whereas VB's stuff is thoroughly and unremittingly mean-spirited, supercilious and vacuous. In many ways, she's also stuck in the Eighties "industrial"/postpunk subculture nihilist schtick, which pretty much guarantees this sort of adolescent haughtiness and mindless worship of transgression for transgression's sake. (An even better example of this sort of retro-Reagan-era pseudohipster aesthetic is the whole Re/Search publications operation, if you're familiar with them.)

336 bcgirl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:09:12am

serioulsy i am having a very hard time working today,, i think from now on i will take this day off,, i cannot work, i just want to cry and be withmy friends (here at lgf) and remember -- and look at the pictures and the videos, even though it replays in my mind as if it was yesterday...

337 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:09:20am

re: #326 subsailor68

HEY WORLD!

Imagine a world without America...

338 WitchDoctor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:09:24am

re: #308 realwest

realwest, seriously, I think there's a derailment somewhere. You got hot at me for emphasizing I was from the west coast, and then demanded a reply. Read the thread again, I think you are misunderstanding my intention.

339 Perry  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:09:35am

re: #295 CyanSnowHawk

I don't think it appropriate for Google to run their "fun and lighthearted" banner modification today. A company logo is not, nor should it be, a memorial.

Guess not. But it wouldn't have been a terrible idea to put in a nice flag. Amazon doesn't have anything special up either, or youtube.

340 Cartman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:09:36am

re: #308 realwest

Sorry, R-Dubs. Guess I'm not understanding the problem. I'll keep my nose out of it, my friend!

341 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:10:07am
342 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:11:05am

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Obama v. McCain by Amir Taheri

The difference between the two candidates laid out clearly and objectively. Three pages: read it all.

Good stuff.

Liberals have seriously ill views. They forcefully deny there's a threat, and rush out to cling to global warming as occurring apocalypse, not that non-existant "Islamic terrorism" neo-con zionist invention. And if it exist it's because of the Israeli apartheid!

/Retch

343 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:11:20am

On the day, I remember thinking that this had to be an 'inside job.' Surely, I thought, the hijackers must have been heavily armed to take over 4 plans flawlessly. They must have had an 'in' to smuggle the guns onto th planes.

When it came out that they were armed with boxcutters, I remember the shame of realizing that America had become a milquetoast society.

...never again.

344 mikalm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:11:33am

Oh, and on today's subject?

May God bless the victims of the 9/11 attacks, comfort their families and friends, and protect this nation.

And may the perpetrators of those attackes, and their supporters and apologists, burn in eternal hellfire.

345 Cartman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:11:38am

Personally, I don't think it's appropriate to go OT at all on this thread. But that's just me...

346 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:11:42am

337 jcm

Just Beautiful!

Thanks!

347 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:11:48am

re: #306 realwest

Well LGF isn't a "company" in the sense that you used that term, but Charles somehow manages to put the American Flag up on Memorial Day, July 4th and sometimes a Poppy or Flag on Veterans day - I don't see anything at all wrong or improper for an American company to do that.

Google is not LGF, and while they could, but seem to choose not to, do something that acknowledges 9/11, I feel that their modified banner is not appropriate to it. I'm not completely sure how to translate my feelings on this into words and have it read correctly, but that is the way I feel about it now.

348 mikalm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:12:21am

attackes = attacks. PIMF!

349 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:12:37am

I don't know about how things are in y'all's circles, but the LLL the office are very quiet today. Whispering in offices, even.

I think they want to say negative things, but are a little too afraid on a day like today. Even they can sense that it isn't a good day to admit you hate your country.

350 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:15:49am

re: #346 subsailor68

337 jcm

Just Beautiful!

Thanks!

'68, that was the year the Scorpion was lost. We are going to have to have you hang around on a FNDT, ply you with drinks and hear some sea stories.

Thanks for going out to sea, that was a critical time in our history.

351 Cartman  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:15:53am

re: #349 Silhouette

You can rest assured they'll pick up right where they left off, tomorrow morning.

352 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:15:55am

re: #343 DeafDog

Hijackings before that time had been to go somewhere. The passengers probably expected to land somewhere and suffer a standoff on the tarmac. But they also expected that most of them would survive, so their individual chances were high that a year from that day, it would all be a bad memory, if they just kept their heads down.

When it became clear to those on U93 that they were being killed, they fought back.

353 markie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:16:38am

I have a long list of Never Forgets, so I don't forget.

If all those assholes knew what I'd do to them if I had a chance, they probably wouldn't care, either. But if we ALL showed up...

354 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:17:49am

re: #350 jcm

Actually, I'd like that very much.

It was a great time on the boats, and nothing I've done since comes even close - but I'd guess lots of guys feel that way.

Some FNDT soon!

355 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:19:45am

re: #354 subsailor68

Actually, I'd like that very much.

It was a great time on the boats, and nothing I've done since comes even close - but I'd guess lots of guys feel that way.

Some FNDT soon!

My father in law was on the USS Maddox (later of Tonkin Gulf fame) during Korean, he feels the same way.

356 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:23:39am

re: #352 Silhouette

On Flight 93 (from the voice cockpit recordings) -- the terrorist hijackers were telling everyone on board that they (the hijackers) had a bomb on board the plane...and if the passengers didn't cooperate, it'd go off...Nonetheless the heroes of Flight 93 fought back and stormed the cockpit.

357 winsmom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:23:56am

Here in Myrtle Beach this morning, a radio newscaster attributed the attack on the Twin Towers to "a band of terrorists". I am still stunned by that remark and am horrified that people are still not capable of admitting that Islamic fanatics were solely responsible.

I know the outrage and sadness I feel today is shared by all of you here today.

I know I won't run into any "troofers" today but should one of you, punch him sqaure in the face for me and then tell him he did it to himself.

358 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:24:05am

re: #195 zombie

Totally, utterly OT, but it just shows a bit of how the leftist mind works, so not completely:

In an article this morning in the SF Chronicle in which the writer tells readers to vote for a ballot proposition legalizing prostitution in San Francisco, a commenter made the following comment, which the editors featured as the "best" comment:

"...for those of you who don't like the "Tranny Hookers" on your corner- well, honey, they were there long before your yuppie ass moved to the city, so actually, you are ruining THEIR neighborhood. Get over yourself and move to the suburbs if you don't like the city. Tranny hookers are people too, and maybe it would be easier for you to remember that if you ever started treating them as such. Compassion is the only thing that will ever break through bigotry like yours."

My head is spinning.

Rotating headline: Tranny hookers are people too.

359 Basho  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:24:35am

"On this day we bear witness to the human beings whose lives were taken in a fiery act of jihad"

Uh oh, we're not supposed to mention who or what attacked us.

/PC media

360 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:25:14am

re: #352 Silhouette

I know the story, so there is no reason to state the obvious. Good for the folks on 93 for finally fighting back, but letting someone take control of your life because they are wielding a boxcutter....that's not good.

361 mikalm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:25:55am

Another memory from today:

A friend of mine, who lives in Southern Missouri, emailed me that morning. She told me that the National Guard base near her home was on high alert, and was ringed with M16-toting soldiers. I remember thinking that if an ARNG center in the rural Midwest was that ready for trouble, than the military bases on the urban East Coast must be absolutely chomping at the bit for another attack. Luckily for all of us, none came.

362 Ziggy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:27:12am

I'll never forget the celebrations in the Palestinian territories. They sure as hell don't deserve a state. In fact, they may even deserve carpet bombing. I will never forgive those bastards.

363 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:27:39am

re: #358 debutaunt

Rotating headline: Tranny hookers are people too.

Perhaps, but Troofer Hookers are not.

364 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:30:00am

re: #223 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Charles - Whenever I hit the reply or quote button, I keep getting redirected back to the main page

Hitting the heart button kicks me back to the main page.

365 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:30:39am

re: #360 DeafDog

On one of those planes (sorry, I'll have to look up the exact one) there was a stewardess. (this was one of the planes which was being flown into the twin towers) -- she had the presence of mind to phone to ground and others about the hijacking -- she was the first one to alert authorities about the hijackings -- she didn't just "stand around" and do nothing...she did what was required under the circumstances...She's a heroine -- not a wimp. And, it may also have been her early response to what was occuring onboard the plane that eventually alerted others as to what was going on that morning...(including Flight 93 which left later on that day.) (Also I think it's fine for us to all try to second guess things -- but, please, it's being the Sunday morning quaterback -- i think on 9/11 there was simply no time, nothing to prepare for, it was so unprecedented.)

366 Cygnus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:31:07am

re: #181 gutneshama

The American Flag of Honor with the names of all those victims of 9/11 is proudly hung on my living room wall. I read those names every, single night. Jews, Christians and Moslem alike are listed.

G-d bless America. Keep her safe and secure and free.

Where can I get one of those?

367 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:31:47am

re: #215 Intrepid

My country's flag that pin. — Barak Obama

368 NoLongerSilent  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:32:27am

F***ing bastards
Knowing that men and women chose to leap to their deaths in order to escape the searing heat, while those vermin celebrate.... These images still take my breath away.

369 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:34:35am

I am sure this sentiment has been expressed many times already, but I just want to thank Charles and "Lizard Nation" for creating a real community of deeply caring, patriotic individuals. As we slog along in the war against islamonazis who would destroy us, our friends, and our way of life, I take great comfort in knowing that any time I visit this community, I am nourished by the kind of patriotism and goodwill that has always made the USA the best country on earth.

God Bless the victims of 9/11 ...
God Bless "Lizard Nation" ...
and God Bless America

370 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:35:15am

re: #369 _RememberTonyC

Amen!

371 mikalm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:36:42am

re: #365 J.S.

I'm no tough guy. But I think I speak for many other travelers in saying that, in the wake of 9/11, anything even vaguely resembling a takeover attempt on an aircraft where I'm a passenger, will be met with immediate and deadly force from me.

372 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:36:53am

re: #360 DeafDog

I know the story, so there is no reason to state the obvious. Good for the folks on 93 for finally fighting back, but letting someone take control of your life because they are wielding a boxcutter....that's not good.

You have to remember. FL93 was delayed and the passenger found out about the other plans. The first three were on their own.

Before that point hijackings had been for the purpose of taking hostages and placing demands. Policies and Procedures in place at the time all revolved around making contact with the hijackers, getting the plane on the ground and negotiating.

9/11 was a new thing. Also remember on the planes all indications are the hijackers slaughtered one or more crew and passengers to insure compliance.

I wouldn't be too hard on those in the first 3 planes, they didn't know the plan. FL93 fought back because they found out.

From this point forward any hijacker is going to get beat to death by passengers at the very least.

373 gmsc  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:37:29am

The internet archive has an interesting collection of news reports from various stations as the day's events unfolded, and news footage is included from September 11th, 12th and 13th.

It's interesting to watch, as early on, nobody was exactly sure what was unfolding. Every other news story sharpy drops off the map when the second plane crashes.

Internet Archive: September 11 Television Archive

These videos can be hard to watch, as they are an effective way to return your mindset to the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

374 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:41:07am

re: #371 mikalm

Exactly. Like what happened to Richard Reid - the would-be shoe bomber...now we all know...(also, might add, about the stewardness and her phoning to ground control about her suspicions about the plane being hijacked -- the pilots were probably already dead -- their throats slashed -- so they were out of commission -- thus it was her actions which alerted others...and let the authorities know that this was no "accident.")

375 moe katz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:41:24am

re: #65 StudSupreme

I've noticed a stunning difference between east and west coast reactions to the significance of this day.
West coasters ridicule it.

I'm an east coaster. And I have not forgotten.

Nor shall I ever forgive.

Probably poor sampling technique giving a biased impression. Plenty of troofers on the right coast. And where, after all, does our host reside? Are those pictures of the Atlantic he posts after his bicycle rides?

376 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:41:25am

re: #370 subsailor68

and of course,

God Bless our Military and all of their families. They are the very best we have!

377 Cygnus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:41:37am

re: #224 smokefire

Here is another....................just in case.

OH BTW, NEVER FORGET THIS ONE EITHER.]


[Link: www.youtube.com...]

As Mandy would say, go p*ss up a rope, Wright.

378 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:43:40am

re: #376 _RememberTonyC

You're absolutely right. Especially the families. I can still remember wives and children standing on the dock as we got underway for six months...and seeing them all there again when we got back.

379 Cygnus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:47:00am

re: #257 jcm

Wet side or dry side? Wet side here, the belly of the beast Seattle!

I'm in the pancreas of the beast Everett! Or would that be gall bladder? :P

380 ducktrapper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:47:21am

I'm quite sure there is not enough left of Osama to fit in a match box. His vile stench and the stench of jihad lingers, however.

381 Sprite  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:48:28am

I will never forget.
I will never submit.

My prayers for America, our troops and their families. More prayers for LGF, CJ and the Lizard Army, who continue to shine the light.

Your strength and resolve buoy me. I am particularly grateful to you today.

382 Lazarus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:48:31am

Still saddened. Still enraged.

383 Cygnus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:49:09am

re: #263 SouthAmericanWay

brought to you by
"The Guy who lives in B. Hussein Obama's neighborhood"

I really despise that man.

384 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:49:12am

re: #380 ducktrapper

From your lips to God's ear. And someday, perhaps the stench will be gone as well.

385 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:50:04am

re: #372 jcm

From this point forward any hijacker is going to get beat to death by passengers at the very least.

As we've seen in numerous examples, including passengers jumping on the shoe bomber.

I'm so certain that people won't just sit there again, that I'd lift the ban on knives on planes, if I were in charge of the world.

386 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:51:09am

re: #379 Cygnus

I'm in the pancreas of the beast Everett! Or would that be gall bladder? :P

You and Dustoff, he works at Lazy B (suit and tie type not striking). I work just south of there.

We're going to have to schedule a LGF lunch.

387 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:53:34am

re: #378 subsailor68


Thank you for your service ... I can't imagine the courage required of a military family ... But we are grateful beyond words.

388 doublespeaknoevil  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:54:12am

Whenever I see the Twin Towers standing tall and beautiful, I am overcome with emotion. I still mourn and I am still angry.

389 jcm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:54:25am

re: #385 Silhouette

As we've seen in numerous examples, including passengers jumping on the shoe bomber.

I'm so certain that people won't just sit there again, that I'd lift the ban on knives on planes, if I were in charge of the world.

Just a pen, a key and some shoe laces are more than enough.

I would go so far as to allow people with a concealed carry permit to get additional background checks and special training to carry on board. The 2nd Amend is about defense, why not in a vulnerable situation.

390 EuskalHerria  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:55:03am

Kaixo!

I think that the following is apropos to the so-called "War on Terrorism" which escalated on 9/11/2001, the "War" which many on the Left pooh-pooh as being a figment of Bush's and the Neocons' imaginations, ginned up in order to gain influence and power over the masses. I quote from Hugh Fitzgerald of Jihadwatch:

"On Monday in Michigan, Obama became exercised when talking about the need to give even suspected terrorists legal rights.
"We may think this is Mohammed the terrorist," he said at a campaign rally, "but it might be Mohammed the cab driver. You might think it's Barack the bomb thrower. But it might be Barack the guy running for president."

Continuing, he got more heated, his voice booming. Referring to the Constitution, he said: "Don't mock the Constitution! Don't make fun of it! Don't suggest that it's un-American to abide by what the founding fathers set up! It's worked pretty well for 200 years!"

He finished with a sigh: "These people!"

Of course, "Mohammed the terrorist" might not be the same as "Mohammed the cab driver" -though he might, come to think of it. But Mohammed the terrorist" might be offered financial, political, and moral support by "Mohammed the cab driver". There is no one way to participate in jihad. You do not have to participate in violent acts yourself. You can support those who do. And clearly, a great many Muslims are doing exactly that-supporting those who participate in violent jihad, by defending and making excuses for them, by giving them financial or moral support, by showing up in courtrooms or to picket trials, and to help use the liberties, the ones that our Constitution guarantees and of which Barack Obama claims he is so fond, to undo, in the end, those very guarantees of those individual rights and to put, in their place, something modeled on the Shari'a, or the Shari'a itself.

And, of course, "Mohammed the terrorist" or "Barack the Bomber" are not the only people to worry about it. Such a list overlooks so many others. "Mohammed" the campaigner for Da'wa, "Mohammed" the builder of mosques and madrassas, "Fahd" the Saudi who spends tens of billions on propaganda for Saudi Arabia (and, by the way, to prevent any intelligent energy policy from being put in place), and obviously for the Islam on which Saudi Arabia rests, and "Fuad" who smilingly defends the Egyptian government from its failure to protect the Copts from inhuman mistreatment or "Nuri"-a recent arrival, an apparent "refugee" though it is entirely unclear exactly what he is a refugee from, as either a Sunni Muslim or a Shi'a Muslim for whom vast swathes of Iraq are open and welcoming (or is just that he'd like to be in America, and we are ready to accommodate his desires?), and "Mahnaz" the very sweet and plausible Pakistani lady who comes to your children's elementary school, with a pretty prayer rug, and pictures of families (family values!) sitting down to their Iftar dinners in Pakistan, in Indonesia, in Syria, in Morocco-see children: Islam is so diverse! Islam is so unmonolithic!)-
No, there's much more to the jihad than the caricature provided-about "Mohammed the Terrorist" and "Barrack the Bomber"-by that man who knows so little of Islam-"

Many of us are in the same situation as these impressionable children. What is really frightening is that Barack Obama knows no more about the true nature of Islam than they do. He fails to see how our Constitution is contradicted, in letter and spirit, by the Shari'a. Obama's world-view, and his grasp of things, should raise eyebrows, and arouse skepticism about his touted intellectual gifts, which have so far been confined to a gift of gab, an ability to slither out of tight spots (Rev Wright, for example) and an overweening arrogance that, given his actual intellectual abilities, puts one in mind of the line in "Lolita" about the little girl "wearing a halter with little to halt".


Gero arte!

391 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 10:55:19am

re: #385 Silhouette

the co-pilot of every plane should have a weapon and proper training.

392 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:02:30am

re: #387 _RememberTonyC

I appreciate your kind words, but - and it's hard for an old Navy man to admit it - the real deal are the Soldiers (capital S intended) and Marines on the ground.

Whenever one of those guys - or gals - comes through our town, they usually swing by our local steakhouse. When they do, dinner's on me. Done it twice so far.

393 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:03:47am

re: #389 jcm

Just a pen, a key and some shoe laces are more than enough.

I would go so far as to allow people with a concealed carry permit to get additional background checks and special training to carry on board. The 2nd Amend is about defense, why not in a vulnerable situation.

Oh, I didn't mean allowing knives on board for the people to use as weapons to fight back with. Although, yes they could.

I meant that given the way crowds will never again sit idly by, no hijackers will be able to use knives as weapons again to control a large group, so we might as well have them back for all the million and one utilitarian needs. Like cutting a steak.

And I agree about allowing concealed carry on board. Critics fear the dreaded "OK Corral" shootout that will depressurize the cabin and send everyone to their death. But then again, critics are always fearing the OK Corral shootout, every time a state considers concealed carry, and yet it doesn't happen.

394 charpete67  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:05:27am

I just read the article from AlJezeerah (no idea how to spell it...don't care) and was offended and frustrated by the comments that were being made (in broken english) about how the jews or the US government was behind 9/11, etc... Then it dawned on me...it doesn't really matter at all what they think. (I know...a grasp of the obvious) So I pointed out to these dumbasses that either they knew the truth and were just trying to offend or they really drank the cool aid they see on their government news programs...either way, it only matters what Americans think. You see, in the end, we have all the planes, bombs, tanks and predator drones and once we decide who did it, we'll let them know...one way, or the other.

395 njslim  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:06:09am

SEPTEMBER 11 in history is day when Westerns fought back and defeated
Muslim jihadists

Sept 11 1565 - Relief army of Don Garcia, Spanish Viceroy of Sicily,
defeats besieging Turkish army on Malta after Christian Knights of
ST John withstood epic 4 month siege. Relief force had landed 3 days
earlier and routed Turks forcing them back to ships and evacuate
island.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Sept 11 1683 - Vienna woods outside Vienna. Relief army led by Polish
king Jan Sobieski and Charles of Lorraine arrive outside city, Vienna
had been besieged by massive Turkish army. Following day relief forces
rout Turks and force them to retreat.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Sept 11 1697 - Battle of Zenta (Serbia). Small Imperial Army led by
Prince Eugene of Savoy defeats large Turkish force with heavy losses
suffering only light loss in return. Turks are forced to leave large
swaths of European territory in present day Hungary and Transylvania

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

September 11, 2001. United Flight 93. Passengers and crew informed
that terrorists hijackers are to crash plane into building attack and
storm cockpit. Plane crashes in Shanksville PA during struggle and all
are killed.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

September 11 should be remembered as day when Muslim terrorism
and jihadism were confronted and defeated

396 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:06:38am

re: #335 mikalm

I hate to continue this off-topic exchange here, but I see your point. And I'd add that MM occasionally blunders onto a valid insight or a witty quip, whereas VB's stuff is thoroughly and unremittingly mean-spirited, supercilious and vacuous. In many ways, she's also stuck in the Eighties "industrial"/postpunk subculture nihilist schtick, which pretty much guarantees this sort of adolescent haughtiness and mindless worship of transgression for transgression's sake. (An even better example of this sort of retro-Reagan-era pseudohipster aesthetic is the whole Re/Search publications operation, if you're familiar with them.)

I swear, we must know each other in real life. And yet -- we don't! I have no idea how we managed to not run into each other at some point. (Yes -- I'm very familiar with Re/Search. More familiar than you might imagine.) But your observations about the Bay Area moonbat/hipster/alterna-scene are so in tune with my own, it's as if we've seen the same things and came to the same conclusions.

Wait -- am I having a Sybil/Norman-Bates moment here, and when I finally meet this legendary "mikalm," I look up -- only to see myself in the mirror?!?!?!?!?

397 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:13:18am

re: #324 Red Lion

Death to bin Laden! If he's not already long gone, that is ... When was the last time he verifiably appeared in a contemporary videotape?

He's a spokesman for some kidney machine company.

398 leboaz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:14:19am

re: #389 jcm

sometimes our temper gets us in trouble. While waiting in line at the airport, I casually mentioned how ridiculous I thought the screenings were. I had been in a discussion about profiling. I said to the gentleman in front of me that I could pull the temple off my glasses, shove it into your heart, and you would be as dead as if you has been shot. The screener's eyes widened considerably, and he hollered at me- "where did you get an idea like that?" I said "ranger training" and his response was 'well, just keep it to yourself" Sorry to point out the obvious

399 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:16:51am

re: #397 debutaunt

Well, it didn't work out too well for him. His English is real bad, and when they told him about dialysis he said "who's alysis, and shouldn't it be Death to Alysis?"

Fired the next day.

Out of a cannon we hope.

400 lurking faith  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:18:10am

re: #343 DeafDog

On the day, I remember thinking that this had to be an 'inside job.' Surely, I thought, the hijackers must have been heavily armed to take over 4 plans flawlessly. They must have had an 'in' to smuggle the guns onto th planes.

When it came out that they were armed with boxcutters, I remember the shame of realizing that America had become a milquetoast society.

...never again.

I saw it differently. A fair number of planes had been hijacked before then, and most of the passengers eventually got out alive. Up until 7 years ago, the recommended course of action for passengers and crew in a hijacking was stay calm and don't make trouble.

Flight 93 fought back, at least in part, because the passengers knew that their hijackers intended to crash the plane. This does not diminish their heroism; I applaud them for grasping the new reality and taking their fates into their own hands, thereby saving countless lives.

My thought that day was that nobody will ever have the luxury of obedient, passive passengers during any hijacking attempt.

401 redc1c4  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:20:12am

re: #398 leboaz

sometimes our temper gets us in trouble. While waiting in line at the airport, I casually mentioned how ridiculous I thought the screenings were. I had been in a discussion about profiling. I said to the gentleman in front of me that I could pull the temple off my glasses, shove it into your heart, and you would be as dead as if you has been shot. The screener's eyes widened considerably, and he hollered at me- "where did you get an idea like that?" I said "ranger training" and his response was 'well, just keep it to yourself" Sorry to point out the obvious


wait'll it dawns on them that pens & pencils are potentially lethal weapons....

/gotta love that good ol' Army training %-)

402 Picayune  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:24:11am

re: #32 Wyatt Earp
It's a matter of Judgment!

OBL released a video tape in 1996 declaring war on the US and all US citizens globally.

President Clinton did nada for four years, passing up four ops to kill him w/ hellfire missiles/special ops, and even rejected Sudan's offer to hand OBL over to the US. Sandy"the Burgler", Blowtorch Reno, Hill, and others were all in on the non-decision making to let him off.

We lost Marines killed at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, two Embassies in Africa, the USS Cole, and more. Clinton did nada but blow up some camels in the desert - missed again, Bill.

That's the same presidential team that promoted Congress to pass a bill calling for regime change in Iraq in 1998.

Clinton's judgment was to protect his on a$$, not ours, didn't want to evoke negative world opinion by arresting or killing OBL, etc.. These are the facts that history will judge the Clinton Administration by, including Ms. Gorelick and her wall, of 911 Commission fame.

Today, after 7 years years of steadfast steering at the helm by President Bush to protect us (the CIC's primary job) by taking the fight to where it belongs, their backyards, Obama emerges to claim that he and he alone had the right judgment to oppose regime change (war) in Iraq, and for this, he alone, sans requisite experience, is now best qualified to become our next POTUS.

That's the same judgment that supports or has supported: gun control in the US, infanticide, the illegal actions of ACORN via his campaign funding, "Economic Justice" (Marxism), 1 Trillion $ USD to end world poverty, $ 10/gal gas/No Drilling Domestic crude oil/gas, the likes of Ayers, Rezko, Wright, the political murderers in Kenya today led by his cousin, a Brownshirt Service Corps equal to the US Military in funding, a reduced US Military, a US missile build down, unlimited negotiations with our enemies at the highest levels, immediate withdrawal from Iraq in March '07 claiming the surge could not work, Russia's invasion of Georgia by conflating it w/ Bush in Iraq, and last - his Muslim faith, opps, his Christian faith in Black Liberation Theology!

This is worse judgment than Clinton's, which paved the way for 911. Could 911 be but a precursor to events of magnified horror and death for the USA?

Good judgment, resolve, and persistence will defeat our radical Islamic enemies, through the proper use of all our resources in a concerted manner, and it will take time.

"Feel Good, Cool, and Self-centered" Presidents lacking in good judgment and experience will create more suffering, death and defeat for the USA - it's now a fact.

Those who don't know , or worse, who forget History are doomed to relive it. Never again, America, so vote accordingly and use good judgment.

God Bless the USA and our victims of 911.

403 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:25:00am

re: #171 Ben Hur

Gina Gershon Strips Down Sarah Palin

One of Bill Clintons ho's whose only intellectual accomplishment is being able to pretend to be someone else poking fun at Palin and essentially calling her stupid.

Gina Gershon - isn't she some washed-up has-been who starred in one of the worst films in history?

404 mikalm  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:30:35am

re: #396 zombie

Actually, what comes to mind for me is Joseph Conrad's classic story, "The Secret Sharer," although I'm not sure which one of us is the young captain, and which one is the hiding murderer.

405 thepoguemahone  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:32:26am

I posted this on the overnight thread but I really think this needs to be headlined folks

The New York Daily News has a quarter page ad for a 9/11 conspiracy book on page 43 of todays paper

Are you hearing this Charles?

New Yorks hometown paper is advertising a 9/11 troofer book - TODAY!

Its called Prior Knowledge of 9/11 and the ad reads

The most complete book to date on how and why powerful groups at the CIA and FBI headquarters allowed the al Queda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11

Meanwhile on the back page is a full page story on the possibility that the naming rights for the new Jets/Giants football stadium could be awarded to Allianz, a German insurance company - that had ties to the Nazi's


So to understand - its important to stop a german company from paying 40M a year to slap their name on a football stadium because of something the company did 60 years ago....well ok, maybe

But at the same time the Daily News will run an ad to sell a 9/11 conspiracy theory book blaming the CIA and FBI for the murder of thousands of innocent americans

And do it on 9/11 no less!


Whats next - maybe there is a market for some holocaust denial books too - why not? I know the newspaper business is bleeding so why not

Mort Zuckerman ( Daily News and US News and World Report publisher ) must FIRE the nimrod who ran this ad

It we allow the troofers into the mainstream they will have won!

You cannot accept the holocaust denier as a person with another point of view to be debated

You cannot accept the troofer either!

Charles - and other lizards - please help shame the Daily News!

406 Gwrtheyrn  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:36:18am

God Bless America, God Bless the victims and survivors, and God have mercy on the media in my native Canada, which is very creatively not just ignoring the significance of the day, but has ramped up coverage of soldier deaths in Afghanistan and IED use.

407 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:37:53am

re: #401 redc1c4

You said this in line at the airport!
My g-d man !What were you thinking!?
In remembrance of this anniversary I'm taking my new
"smoke pole" to the range in the morning!
Must always maintain your edge!;-)

408 charpete67  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:43:05am

Troofers

[Link: kermudgen.com...]

409 HippieforLife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:46:17am

re: #269 Perry

Dogpile did not forget.

410 Cygnus  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:47:32am

re: #386 jcm

You and Dustoff, he works at Lazy B (suit and tie type not striking). I work just south of there.

We're going to have to schedule a LGF lunch.

Now you're talkin'.

411 MichaelAsher  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:49:44am

If Obama Was President
Penetrating Insights into the Obvious

412 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:50:11am

I was in my office in midtown Manhattan when the WTC towers came down. And because my phone was a secure land line, I received probably a hundred calls from family, friends, etc most of them trying to get in touch with someone at work -- there was very limited cell phone service after the towers fell.

It was a horrible day.

I took my usual train home from Grand Central. It was right on time, but it was empty. Grand Central was empty too.

When I got to the house, there were 50 people and alot of kids there. And crying young women, most of them mothers of young children and toddlers.

It was my sad duty to attend 13 9/11 funerals.

I'll never forget that day -- or the men whose funerals I attended.

RIP, Chris, Dan and Joe. You are remembered and will never be forgotten.

.

413 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:52:44am

re: #34 NoSubmission

It was so crowded. Oceans of people. I felt bad for the workers downtown today. You couldn't move on the street to save your life.
I was wearing my McCain / Palin Button! A few people asked me where I got it.

hey {no submission},
i'm thinking of you today. i'm out of town.
i will be getting my mccain bumper stickers and buttons from my local republican headquarters.
also i'm on chapter 19.

414 HippieforLife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 11:52:51am

re: #277 WitchDoctor

Where on the Peninsula?

415 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:05:50pm

re: #405 thepoguemahone

hmmm...This is how I see things...Ok, first -- there are, indeed, the "Troofers" who blame innocent people (point fingers at Bush, military, etc.) while excusing (exonerating) the actual culprits (that Islamist extremists.) One of the big Troofer books was written by some idiot living in France (was also a big feature with the CBC -- giving it some kind of credence, since it was extremely hostile to GWBush and sympathetic to Muslims...as if Muslims were somehow "the victims" and Americans the perpetrators). Also find the same thing going on with certain "revelatory" Internet videos -- like they're revealing the conspiracy that was to "frame" "innocent" Arabs because Bush wanted to go to war with Iraq (for the oil, etc.) All of this is extremely offensive...not to mention outrageous and disgusting.

However, I have read other accounts, (again this is, I admit, getting or touching on conspiratorial thinking), but it suggests that there may be some in the "intelligence" community (also read the State Dept.) who may have been very sympathetic to Arabs/Muslims/Islamists -- and certain people in key positions may -- may -- have, say, known something prior to 9/11 but decided (maybe so as to embarrass the Bush administration?) to do nothing -- sit on their hands...Ok? (there are also other more sinister things I've read -- including that the CIA was infiltrated with Islamist sympathizers who deliberately interfered in investigations, stymied reports, etc., etc. -- none of this is "documented" in a good way, mostly just rumors...) So, the question is -- is the book (that's being advertised in the Post) of this latter sort? that is, documenting intelligence failures (perhaps due to Islamist sympathies?)

416 Suihei Deloi  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:23:35pm

I remember precisely where I was. Traffic into work had been horrible. I had just come down a ladder well into berthing on ship, walked into the lounge across from my rack. Just in time to see the second plane slam into the tower on TV.

The rest of that day was a blur. We fired up all the comm gear, got ready to get underway. I talked to my mom on the phone at one point long enough to tell her, "I don't know where I'm going, or when I'll be back."

In the end just about everyone else got underway, and we sat on a pier for two weeks on triple watches. One our guys went on emergency leave to NY - lost a relative. Work was never quite the same. I don't think my mom ever bugged me to get out after that.

No, I'll never forget that. Or the diverted flight that did a low and slow over our bow while I was on watch a week later. Felt like my soul was about to jump out of my skin.

417 ZooMom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 12:39:07pm

9-11 changed my life forever. My 18 yr. old son, fresh out of high school was already stationed in Great Lakes Illinois for navy boot camp. He had enlisted without telling us until it was time to go. My husband (ex-submariner) tried to console me when my son left by telling me it was "peace time and nothing bad would happen".

When I woke up that horrible day my heart broke for the people I saw on the TV, and for all the young men and women I knew would be defending our country.

I went from being a "peacenik" to a "9-11 conservative" in a matter of hours
and have never gone back

I can barely type because my hands are shaking so much just from remembering that day, that week, that month, and that year.

418 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:11:18pm

Just arrived at work.

I will never forget, nor will my children.

The fight continues.

Thank you, Charles , for this site and your dedication to the memory of those lost in the war against islam.

PS, feed the hamsters

419 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 1:14:49pm

And where was I?

Because we a few hours ahead of you guys, I got up on our morning the 12th and went to get the paper at 6.30am. There was none. Thats odd.

I went back and turned on the radio and heard something going on so turned on the TV, Chaos.

I yelled at the kids and my wife and we stood, stunned, as we watched the news reel unfold the story.

My second son asked me, "whats happened, Dad"

I replied "The world has just changed, forever"

420 charlie foxtrot  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 3:22:01pm

No thread hijack intended but did you see this Olberman rant about the RNC and 911? Obee is a Scary Dude!

Over the Edge


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