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9/11 Presidential Forum

Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:05:21 pm PDT

Now airing on most cable channels, John McCain and Barack Obama at the 9/11 Presidential Forum. Here’s a thread to dissect the proceedings.

C-SPAN has a live web stream, in WMV or Real Player format.

CNN has a better Flash-based stream.

UPDATE at 9/11/08 6:05:58 pm:

Interesting; Obama’s faulting Bush for not pushing national service after 9/11, and instead telling Americans to “shop.” But unless I’m mistaken, one of the most polarizing, dangerous, and destabilizing issues during the Vietnam War was the draft.

Also known as: national service.

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

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1 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:06:31pm

Here we go. John McCain up.

2 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:06:31pm

Got popcorn... let's roll!

3 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:06:41pm

Is it streaming anywhere?

4 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:06:54pm

On Fox, right now. Sound sucks.

5 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:06:57pm

Mac, Honor them by protecting America.

6 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:07:20pm

On PBS

7 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:07:22pm

re: #4 Intrepid

On Fox, right now. Sound sucks.

Yes, it does...

8 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:07:45pm

re: #4 Intrepid

On Fox, right now. Sound sucks.

For awhile there I thought McCain wasn't going to answer the first question. Glad to hear it was a sound problem!

9 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:08:18pm

Ooh, good point there - you worked with Evan Bahy (D) (sp?) to institute a service policy.

Heh - get that "Maverick" meme out there.

10 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:09:05pm

The Latin American actions mentioned on the last thread are very serious, 19th century actions prior to formal commencement of hostilities.

11 Just_Saying  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:09:22pm

I missed the intro.... is Obama in a "cone of silience" ?

12 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:09:47pm

What is up with the sound?

13 Charles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:09:55pm

C-SPAN has their usual lame WMV/Real web stream going. Link above.

14 deanayer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:09:55pm

Its at Columbia? are they broadcasting from Ahmadinijad Auditorium?

...Sorry I cant help it, nice to see the "non-partisan" get together is being held in the belly of the beast thats all.

15 mitzblitz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:10:02pm

What's up with the sound? I'm getting intermittent mute (Foxnews TV).

16 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:10:05pm

Heh - pointing out Congress' popularity rating being down to 9 percent.

FOX sound keeps cutting out, I switched to C-Span.

17 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:10:23pm

re: #10 lifeofthemind

The Latin American actions mentioned on the last thread are very serious, 19th century actions prior to formal commencement of hostilities.

Yes, and the day after the Russian bombers showed up. Hmmmm.

Sound really is bad. Bet it will be perfect during The One's (tm) segment....

18 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:10:46pm

re: #11 Just_Saying

No he's in the cone of ignorance

19 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:11:05pm

Is this at Columbia Unversity?

20 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:11:16pm

re: #13 Charles

Thank you.

21 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:11:44pm

re: #18 iceman1960

No he's in the cone of ignorance

Naw, McCain cheated so its legal to do anything he wants.

/LLL rationale

22 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:11:50pm

Sound going in and out again is this sabotage?

23 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:11:53pm

They will only be able to ask Obama 2 or 3 questions.

24 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:12:25pm

I like the way McCain does not hesitate in his responses. No need to think about "what will the best sound bite be".

25 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:12:33pm

MAN oh MAN! The sound keeps cutting out on C-Span too!

Let's see if the sound will "cut out" when Obama's up.

/doubt it

26 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:12:42pm

We will need an uh-o-meter for Obama.

27 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:13:23pm

re: #26 NoSubmission

We will need an uh-o-meter for Obama.

Can't count that fast, sorry.

28 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:13:23pm

re: #26 NoSubmission

We will need an uh-o-meter for Obama.

I predict 55 "UHs" and 27 "UMs."

29 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:13:45pm

re: #25 Intrepid

MAN oh MAN! The sound keeps cutting out on C-Span too!

Let's see if the sound will "cut out" when Obama's up.

/doubt it

That would only improve things.

30 USA  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:14:15pm

Get ready for questions to Obama

Q: Can we get you a glass of water?
Q: Do you get frustrated when the Republicans lie about you?
Q: What is the web page if our viewers want to learn more or send money?

31 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:14:31pm

I'm seriously wondering if the sound cut out is a "tech glitch" or not.

Most of McCain's answers were silent, because of the "sound glitch". Which I'm sure will be "fixed" by the time Obama is up.

tools.

32 transient  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:14:39pm

I'm getting good stream from CNN.com.

33 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:14:53pm

Whew!

As things stand, RIGHT NOW, according to the most recent polls for each state (as seen on realclearpolitics), McCain would win with 270 electoral votes vs. 268 for Obama. Talk about close!

Of course the polls may be all bogus, but even if they aren't, we'd still win. (And if they are bogus, there's a 98% chance they're slanted toward the Democrats anyway.)

34 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:15:04pm

re: #30 USA

Get ready for questions to Obama

Q: Can we get you a glass of water?
Q: Do you get frustrated when the Republicans lie about you?
Q: What is the web page if our viewers want to learn more or send money?

It will still take him an hour to answer

35 HugoChavez  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:15:16pm

If you look closely, up about 60,000 ft you can see some Russian bombers circling in the video.

Thank you my useful idiot friend Barry! You do exactly as I ask!

He is the "Messiah" you know.

And you do like to bitterly cling to your religion. don't you Gringos?

36 zombie  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:15:38pm

This is the first time, today, that McCain has taken a majority in the state-by-state polling.

37 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:16:14pm

re: #17 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, and the day after the Russian bombers showed up. Hmmmm.

Sound really is bad. Bet it will be perfect during The One's (tm) segment....

So what is planned? A move on Columbia? Seizure of Energy resources? Installation of a Russian nuclear airbase?

38 ergo sum  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:16:14pm

CNN is streaming and the sound is fine

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

39 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:16:27pm

re: #36 zombie

Mr. O is in a nose dive. I predict it will only continue.

40 Tigger2005  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:16:29pm

re: #10 lifeofthemind

The Latin American actions mentioned on the last thread are very serious, 19th century actions prior to formal commencement of hostilities.

Do you think Chavez is going to cut off the oil?

41 sydney  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:16:48pm

I know they are restricted on their topic, but can't JM put some lipstick on this pig?

42 yesandno  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:16:55pm

As I understand it there is a 6 second delay imposed by the original broadcasters to prevent possible "foul language".... supposedly if someone yells from the audience they censor it.

It sounds a lot more to me like they're censoring McCain's responses. You don't hear any shouting before or after the silence. In his first response it made him look a bit of a moron. And you definitely don't hear any applause.

I'd be willing to bet there's a lot more applause and a lot less intermittent silence for the Messiah.

43 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:16:56pm

"We enacted ethics and lobbying reform that wasn't nearly enough"
- John McCain

"Yes, we bombed U.S. targets. We really didn't do enough"
- William Ayers

44 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:17:00pm

re: #33 zombie

Good to read, Zombie. I hope McCain/Palin will tear things up in Pennsylvania and Ohio, and maybe tip-toe over into Michigan for a "gotcha" moment on Nov 4 in the evening.

45 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:17:08pm

I thought they weren't going to do politics today.....?

46 mitzblitz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:17:08pm

Sound problems or not...this forum won't change any votes. It's good for us to (appear) to come together for this day.

47 HugoChavez  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:17:15pm

re: #40 Tigger2005

Do you think Chavez is going to cut off the oil?

Mwahahahahaha!

Just, wait Zionist oppressors!

48 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:17:24pm

WTF? Another hurricane question?

49 deanayer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:17:31pm

That realclear politics poll system doesnt count people who just use cell phones and are either dead or invented by Acorn so it might skew in favor of McCain.

50 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:17:34pm

re: #33 zombie

Whew!

As things stand, RIGHT NOW, according to the most recent polls for each state (as seen on realclearpolitics), McCain would win with 270 electoral votes vs. 268 for Obama. Talk about close!

Of course the polls may be all bogus, but even if they aren't, we'd still win. (And if they are bogus, there's a 98% chance they're slanted toward the Democrats anyway.)

Gotta open a big lead. Polls don't count the dead people vote.

51 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:17:45pm

What we learned from Katrina? Don't depend on government for everthing. Just cuz they pass out the cheese doesn't mean their gonna save your ass.

52 transient  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:18:10pm

re: #30 USA

Get ready for questions to Obama

Q: Can we get you a glass of water?
Q: Do you get frustrated when the Republicans lie about you?
Q: What is the web page if our viewers want to learn more or send money?

Today I had the unusual frustration of listening NPR and CNN. (I rarely bother anymore.) The MSM approach to the election is to focus on whether McCain/Palin SHOULD win, and whether Obama/Biden CAN win.

53 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:18:23pm

re: #33 zombie

Whew!

As things stand, RIGHT NOW, according to the most recent polls for each state (as seen on realclearpolitics), McCain would win with 270 electoral votes vs. 268 for Obama. Talk about close!

Of course the polls may be all bogus, but even if they aren't, we'd still win. (And if they are bogus, there's a 98% chance they're slanted toward the Democrats anyway.)

Where? I checked Realclear and Rasmussen and with leaners included and no toss ups it still had Obama with 273 to McCain's 265. No budge in over a week. Where is the new list?

54 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:18:35pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

I thought they weren't going to do politics today.....?

Silly, silly Sharmuta! You believed them?

55 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:18:41pm

re: #14 deanayer

I've become a real cynic -- sorry...so they're all claiming that the order of the speakers was done by virtue of a coin flip...yeah, sure...and one of the coins wasn't really weighted...yeah, uh-huh...so McCain -- by coincidence speaks first...yeah, that's about par for the course for Columbia univ -- Edward Said Country -- terrorist supporting univ -- they just couldn't manage to arrange for a standard debating protocol...just o so difficult...too "academic" I guess, would tax too many brain cells -- and so much better to go with the partisan arrangement...it's sure to appeal to their Moonbats.

56 USA  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:18:58pm

Lessons learned:

Use the school buses
Use the school buses
Use the school buses

57 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:19:39pm

re: #40 Tigger2005

Do you think Chavez is going to cut off the oil?

Worst case, announces a deal to ship it to Europe, Merkel dumps US and Nato dissolves.

58 stuiec  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:19:52pm

My obnoxious freshman daughter in the Jewish Theological Seminary-Columbia U. joint program put her name in the lottery for a ticket to this event, but she never told me whether she got one.

59 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:20:28pm

will the wound magically improve when Obama is on?

60 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:20:52pm

Columbia School of Broadcasting handling the sound?

61 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:21:06pm

re: #56 USA

Lessons learned:

Use the school buses
Use the school buses
Use the school buses

And watch the effen TV - that swirley thing everyone has been tracking for, like, days is trouble headed straight for you! Get out of the way!

62 Tigger2005  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:21:10pm

re: #59 FrogMarch

will the wound magically improve when Obama is on?

Yes, wounds will magically improve, and so will the sound!

63 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:21:14pm

This is a bit of a bogus question- a lot of large corporations do volunteer work and get their employees involved.

64 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:21:32pm

re: #58 stuiec

My obnoxious freshman daughter in the Jewish Theological Seminary-Columbia U. joint program put her name in the lottery for a ticket to this event, but she never told me whether she got one.

Does she have a job?

65 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:21:46pm

C-SPAN - sound is OK for me.

66 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:22:22pm

re: #59 FrogMarch

Of course...and i'm guessing that the audience is 100 percent stacked...by the end the terrorist supporters on 9/11 will all be giving Hussein a standing ovation (oh, and I'm not listening to this crap).

67 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:22:35pm

Still tape glitches on Fox.

68 Tigger2005  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:22:39pm

re: #57 lifeofthemind

Worst case, announces a deal to ship it to Europe, Merkel dumps US and Nato dissolves.

I've said it before. I'll say it again.

We should have invaded Venezuela the day after Russia invaded Georgia.

69 deanayer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:23:08pm

We will look back on this time and note that this is when the waters began to recede and the earth began to heal, except in the Galveston metro area where my powers do not seem to work.

B.O.

70 stuiec  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:23:18pm

re: #40 Tigger2005

Do you think Chavez is going to cut off the oil?

How do you "cut off" oil?

Suppose they sell it to a buyer who certifies he won't resell it to the USA. That just means that another seller has oil left to sell to the USA.

On the other hand, there are probably quite a few things we can do to make the Venezuelan and Bolivian governments uncomfortable, economically and politically.

71 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:23:34pm

Oh, I can't stand this technical sound error garbage.
I'll have to read the transcript later.
I only wonder if it will miraculously be healed when 0bama comes out.

72 Charles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:23:38pm

C-SPAN over cable is working fine, no audio problems.

73 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:23:44pm

re: #58 stuiec

My obnoxious freshman daughter in the Jewish Theological Seminary-Columbia U. joint program put her name in the lottery for a ticket to this event, but she never told me whether she got one.

Is she cute?

*ouch ouch ouch

74 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:23:46pm

Social embalance? isn't that lib speak for why aren't we commies?

75 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:24:07pm

Colombia is probably very nervous right now.

76 mitzblitz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:24:40pm

Fox dropped the ball, moving to CSPAN

77 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:24:40pm

McCain is holding his own, the female interviewer is the typical low-key liberal moonbat....

78 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:24:53pm

The social imbalance in the army? Could it be that kids of "privilege" think they're better than the military?

79 deanayer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:24:59pm

Operation "Thats Just Being Neighborly" will be implemented at gunpoint.

B.O.

80 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:25:06pm

re: #75 Racer X

Colombia is probably very nervous right now.

The country - not the university.

81 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:25:16pm

YES! Slam Columbia for not allowing ROTC, John! And he gets a bit of applause.

He's so good, and he has no "uh uh uh" moments. Just straight talk.

McCain/Palin '08!

82 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:25:24pm

Good job by McCain, calling for restoration of ROTC.

83 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:25:27pm

re: #72 Charles

C-SPAN over cable is working fine, no audio problems.

Except for having to listen to the questions. "...children of the priviledged, your son excluded, don't serve.." Sly way to call him rich.

84 noshariaincanada  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:25:34pm

Ahmadinejad Yes, ROTC No.

That's Columbia U.

85 Tigger2005  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:25:49pm

re: #75 Racer X

Colombia is probably very nervous right now.

But would everyone just sit back and let Chavez do whatever he wanted to Colombia? And Colombia has a pretty good military, doesn't it?

86 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:25:56pm

WOW. Calling the colleges on the carpet for not allowing recruiters on campus.

87 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:26:17pm

re: #77 LoFlyer

McCain is holding his own, the female interviewer is the typical low-key liberal moonbat....

Judy Woodruff Wiki

88 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:26:30pm

Lib meme: Only the poor serve.....

*Whap Whap Whap!*

Why is ROTC not welcomed on campuses including this one?

89 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:26:33pm

He's talking straight, and the interviewers are in disarray. Commercial break to regroup!

90 USA  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:26:35pm

Columbia took it on the chin. Well deserved. Well delivered.

91 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:26:36pm

re: #71 mean Gene

Of course. the Messiah can heal everything...oh, and let us not forget that this IS "The Ones" university -- it's his Alma Mater...So, don't expect anything other than Fainting and Hail Caesar's and Standing Ovations...

92 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:26:55pm

There's also an imbalance between Republicans and Democrats in the military too. The military votes overwhelmingly for Republicans. Why don't more progressives serve?

93 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:27:00pm

re: #53 lifeofthemind

I assume the undead one has New Mexico flipping for McCain, based on the current Rasmussen #s. Real Clear has that averaged in, but not enough to flip the state.

94 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:27:01pm

Mac is great in this chair/format.

95 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:28:12pm

re: #88 The Shadow Do

Lib meme: Only the poor serve.....

*Whap Whap Whap!*

Why is ROTC not welcomed on campuses including this one?


Because the faculty are mostly people who either dodged the military during Vietnam or bitter womyn.

96 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:28:14pm

re: #86 littleoldlady

WOW. Calling the colleges on the carpet for not allowing recruiters on campus.

There was some applause in the audience about this. Did you notice Biden & his wife sitting there, sitting on their hands?

97 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:28:23pm

c-span is showing President Bush at the Pentagon. I'm so thankful he was our President instead of that bloviating windbag al gore.

98 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:28:31pm

re: #86 littleoldlady

WOW. Calling the colleges on the carpet for not allowing recruiters on campus.

Woot littleoldlady! I usually don't see you this time of night, sans fruitcup.

(waves at lol)

99 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:28:57pm

re: #36 zombie

This is the first time, today, that McCain has taken a majority in the state-by-state polling.

zombie, which results are you looking at?

100 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:28:59pm

re: #87 FightingBack

Judy Woodruff Wiki

Thanx!

101 transient  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:29:06pm

He did not get much applause on his ROTC comment.

102 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:29:14pm

Any college that accepts gov't money should have to allow ROTC on campus..period..
If they don't and its a private college can do what they want..IMO

103 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:29:22pm

Commies are all about compulsory service.

104 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:29:28pm

re: #77 LoFlyer

McCain is holding his own, the female interviewer is the typical low-key liberal moonbat....

One thing the press has yet to understand the implications of -

McCain has had such people in the back of the Straight Talk Express for YEARS.

He learned how to talk to them, which is why conservatives have always been suspicious of him. If he can speak moonbat, does he think moonbat?

The Palin pick answered that question.

105 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:29:53pm

re: #102 HoosierHoops

/waves hi! {HH}

106 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:30:19pm

re: #103 FightingBack

yeah. so long as its "jihad."

107 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:30:19pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

There's also an imbalance between Republicans and Democrats in the military too. The military votes overwhelmingly for Republicans. Why don't more progressives serve?

To ask the question is to answer it. To a progressive, the USA is something to be torn down, or at least reformed, not defended.

108 Joan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:30:26pm

re: #40 Tigger2005

Do you think Chavez is going to cut off the oil?

You are right on target. It needs a thread, and it is far more vital than this lame assed service forum.
Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia have given 72 hour notice, ejecting our Ambassadors.

Oil, yes. Announcement by OPEC of production slowdown. Russian, South American, North Korea, Iran acting in concert, to carry out a secret compact? No, it isn't paranoid or impossible--read history, such understandings have happened and alliances forged numerous times in history.

Look for new belligerency, action from Russia (oil again). Oil is the carrot, Oil Famine is the stick, perhaps nukes are the currency of exchange? Of course, hegemony of the "international people's revolution" is the goal--but on the way to that, the U.S. is the target.

109 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:31:19pm

re: #93 karmic_inquisitor

I assume the undead one has New Mexico flipping for McCain, based on the current Rasmussen #s. Real Clear has that averaged in, but not enough to flip the state.

New Mexico, Colorado and Michigan are all teetering on the brink. On the other side I am expecting Ohio to be stolen.

110 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:31:35pm

re: #97 Sharmuta

c-span is showing President Bush at the Pentagon. I'm so thankful he was our President instead of that bloviating windbag al gore.

AlGore would have punted 9/11 to Europe/UN once he heard the plot was coordinated by Atta out of Hamburg.

We would have more friends in Europe as a result. And many, many more dead Americans.

I prefer living Americans.

111 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:31:35pm

Is this a priority issue? A govt work corps? It's not the WPA, you know.

112 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:31:44pm

re: #96 lori lane

Hi lori. :-) I'm only listening, not watching, so no I didn't see that.

/ask me if I'm surprised...

Intrepid! HI! :-)

The sound was skipping on the TV so I came to the computer where of course Charles has an uninterrupted stream going. :-)

113 Joan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:31:57pm

re: #61 Russkilitlover

And watch the effen TV - that swirley thing everyone has been tracking for, like, days is trouble headed straight for you! Get out of the way!

Trains, too--underutilized. Use the trains for quick, mass numbers, with the buses at debarkation for multiple destination transport inland.

Remember troop trains? Huge numbers of people can move, quickly, it just takes a plan and leadership.

114 jrdidner  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:32:17pm

McCain made a great point about ROTC not being allowed on Columbia's campus. It is amazingly hypocritical how the same people who say that the military is filled with dumb uneducated people, won't let them try to recruit at universities!

115 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:32:43pm

What is the point of volunteering to help people in this country if you're getting paid for it? does that not make it volunteering? WTH? Billions of dollars for volunteering? Shouldn't it cost next to nothing?

116 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:33:09pm

Great Answer! Obama to be National Service Tsar.

117 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:33:15pm

How to handle the Stupid Question.

Yes

118 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:33:36pm

John doing well.

119 spidly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:33:38pm

eww. well he had to to say it I guess

120 ArmyWife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:33:42pm

re: #88 The Shadow Do

Because everyone is the Army are trained, blood thristy, killers, didn't you know that?

121 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:34:05pm

re: #105 lori lane

/waves hi! {HH}

Hi Lori! {Lori}
I spent the day with dad golfing and having dinner..got home just as this started..
Hope all is well with you!

122 galloping granny  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:34:14pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

What is the point of volunteering to help people in this country if you're getting paid for it? does that not make it volunteering? WTH? Billions of dollars for volunteering? Shouldn't it cost next to nothing?

If you have to do it, then it is not voluntary. If you get paid, then it is a job. If you have to do it for low pay, then it is involuntary servitude.

123 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:34:16pm

oh brother let's see if obama gets a question like that last one.

124 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:34:19pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

There's also an imbalance between Republicans and Democrats in the military too. The military votes overwhelmingly for Republicans. Why don't more progressives serve?

I was a Democrat when I served. Met a few officers who were Dems, but not many. Most thought I was weird for being in because I was from California - they didn't know about the "D".

I joined because my dad and uncles served in WWII. Even a couple of aunts served. They are all dead now except for my dad. Each funeral with a flag on the casket.

I didn't leave the Democrats - they left me.

125 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:34:29pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

There's also an imbalance between Republicans and Democrats in the military too. The military votes overwhelmingly for Republicans. Why don't more progressives serve?

It's a volunteer force...I guess if you don't believe in any use of force EVER, you can opt out.

I will be the first to tell you that I signed up for the draft as required, but I turned down a full military scholarship based on advice from my father and uncle, both career military (though radically different careers). My father offered to pay my way through college, a which point I could join if I wished. The USAF offered me a crummy job so I declined.

Now, though, I am ready for an old guy draft. I am 45 and will bring my own weapons if they like. ;)

126 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:34:34pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

What is the point of volunteering to help people in this country if you're getting paid for it? does that not make it volunteering? WTH? Billions of dollars for volunteering? Shouldn't it cost next to nothing?

Somebody has to pay the community organizers.

I'll do my share for $150,000. Half Michelle's pay.

127 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:34:41pm

I think he just won it with the "Yes" answer to a ridiculous question on Obama as a cabinet member...

128 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:35:11pm

Oh....Judy.

/tsk tsk

No politics in this forum, I thought.

129 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:35:12pm

re: #121 HoosierHoops

Hi Lori! {Lori}
I spent the day with dad golfing and having dinner..got home just as this started..
Hope all is well with you!

Sounds like a day well spent! Where was dinner? Everything fine here. I'm holding down the fort!

130 Joan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:35:16pm

re: #111 FightingBack

Is this a priority issue? A govt work corps? It's not the WPA, you know.

It is a feeble attempt to appeal to nonexistent sense of duty and patriotism among the proles.
It is also an infuriating moral equivalence that is now entirely unchallenged:
1) being a social worker equals 5 years of torture as a POW or even death fighting for America
2) being a community organizer is just a worthy as being a Navy flier
3) draw the veil across what a community organizer is--especially Barack, who trained and radicalized the cadres

lame assed, blind and smug. yup. I gotta stop grinding my teeth...

131 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:35:19pm

Now the liberal idiocy is starting to show in the questioning

132 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:35:57pm

re: #123 iceman1960

oh brother let's see if obama gets a question like that last one.

They're not asking the same questions?

133 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:36:20pm

He shut her down

Judy looks so libby

134 spidly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:36:20pm

he's tearing them up I must say.

135 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:36:23pm

If your not into the presidential forum, and are in the Boston area, there's a great documentary on PBS 2 Boston about the Statue of Liberty.

I've seen it once before, it's well worth watching and I highly recommend it.

136 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:36:55pm

Big applause about setting aside partisan politics on this day.

And a tribute to Ted Kennedy.

Government can't do it all! Go Mac!

137 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:37:24pm

McCain's doing well tonight.

138 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:37:29pm

The NPR is fixated on civilian volunteer service. This is starting to look very liberal....

139 mitzblitz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:37:30pm

This is quickly evolving into current politics. Good job McCain for asking that setting aside partisanship for this day is most important!

140 cblesz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:37:32pm

Woodruff is a douchebag...community organizer question...WTF?

141 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:37:36pm

What is this dreck about "govt" service? More waste of tax dollars; govt controlled
nonsense.

142 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:37:43pm

I forget how well he handles himself in these situations until I hear him speak..

Go Get 'Em John!

143 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:37:50pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

What is the point of volunteering to help people in this country if you're getting paid for it? does that not make it volunteering? WTH? Billions of dollars for volunteering? Shouldn't it cost next to nothing?

Gotta hire legions of partisans to ORGANIZE the volunteers.

/ORGANIZE = verb: to indoctrinate in Marxism.

144 ArmyWife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:38:06pm

The government SHOULDN'T do everything.

145 wishing  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:38:14pm

I came back to the voting booth cuz of Palin....but will pull the lever because of McCain..he has made me a believer again

146 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:38:16pm

re: #124 karmic_inquisitor


I didn't leave the Democrats - they left me.

How very true.

Texas was an almost ALL Democrat state until very recently.

The party left its voters.

147 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:38:31pm

re: #132 lori lane

They're not asking the same questions?

They couldn't be. They just asked some questions about Palin.

148 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:38:36pm

Now c-span is showing Congress and Nancy Pelosi- and she's stealing our President Lincoln again.

149 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:38:43pm

Sorry Senator McCain, you are clearly overqualified for the position you are seeking.

150 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:38:54pm

re: #142 summergurl

I forget how well he handles himself in these situations until I hear him speak..

Go Get 'Em John!

Those years in the back of the straight talk express paying off.

151 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:39:49pm

i'm going to get my mccain/palin bumper sticker tomorrow.
i got the muffler fixed, so nobody thinks i'm just a bitter clinger.

152 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:39:53pm

Pelosi just made a comment about helping responders with healthcare. Do these people ever give it a rest?

153 KibbyKat  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:39:56pm

I think the BO campaign is going to make a commercial out of the line (paraphrasing), "It's easy for me to get on a plane and go to Washington and be divorced from day-to-day concerns." Ick.

Otherwise, I think he's doing well.

154 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:39:56pm

Oh, yes, yes. We respect community organizers. Soooo important. Sounds like Communist block captains/party operatives in China/old USSR to me. Strutting around and telling us when to get abortions.

155 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:39:57pm

re: #124 karmic_inquisitor

My dad's Democrat party left him, too. And he was a staunch Harry Truman man.

He's rolling over in his grave at what has become of his beloved party, I know.

156 Outrider  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:40:08pm

re: #51 iceman1960

What we learned from Katrina? Don't depend on government for everthing. Just cuz they pass out the cheese doesn't mean their gonna save your ass.

I've never understood where it was the Federal governments responsibility to jump right in there and save everyone. I had always believed it was the cities, counties (parish), or states responsibility, in that order. On the first order, it is the individual citizens responsiblity which includes things like evacuating when asked, taking the necessary supplies with you when evacuating, etc.
I also believe it should include such things as individuals moving dead bodies to a more private place, not leaving them in view for days and complaining about President Bush not removing the dead.

157 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:40:24pm

Pelosi talking about the "harsh artillery of time".
/She's an idiot...

158 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:40:51pm

re: #62 Tigger2005

Yes, wounds will magically improve, and so will the sound!

LOL - my typing tonight is worse than usual.

159 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:41:10pm

re: #147 iceman1960

They couldn't be. They just asked some questions about Palin.

"Senetor Obama, do you feel Gov. Palin is unqualified to be President? What are the worst features about her?"

160 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:41:40pm

re: #125 OldLineTexan

Hey - "old" guys can fight like hell when the chips are down!

If "old" is 45, then I join you in that rank.

161 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:41:56pm

re: #154 FightingBack

It's the community organizers who tell you when you can mail out your birthday greetings to the Dear Leader...or Hail the Dear Leader's latest 'triumphs'...

162 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:41:58pm

re: #157 LoFlyer

Pelosi talking about the "harsh artillery of time".
/She's an idiot...

what does that mean? i guess she was looking in the mirror?

163 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:42:06pm

Do you have any questions about National Security?
Or is it all about getting the Boomers to volunteer down at the Canteen?

164 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:42:15pm

Geez, Judy!

/now she wants to make us old people work.

165 Charles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:42:19pm

McCain can be pretty funny.

166 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:42:25pm

Yeah, yeah, yeah... senator... PIMF

167 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:42:28pm

re: #151 nyc redneck

i'm going to get my mccain/palin bumper sticker tomorrow.
i got the muffler fixed, so nobody thinks i'm just a bitter clinger.


I had my McCain/Palin button on today. Got your msg. Sounds like you're having a nice time in the country.

168 callahan23  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:42:32pm

Whose loud snort was that?

169 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:42:33pm

He comes across as very sincere. Love his humor --

170 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:42:42pm

wow that ws funny.

171 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:42:53pm

I remember when I was in High School I spent a Summer as a volunteer at the American Museum of Natural History there were some other young people who were urban youths in a uniform. One day we needed to move some display boxes so I suggested we ask one of them to come over and help. The Supervisor got very flustered and said "Oh no, you can't ask him to do anything, he's a Volunteer." I responded, "So what?" I was a volunteer, so were most of us. She repeated "No" that he was a Volunteer, a Paid Volunteer and consequently could not be asked to work.

172 Athos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:43:11pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

Pelosi just made a comment about helping responders with healthcare. Do these people ever give it a rest?

Nope - true believers seek any way they can to insert government in a role in order to ultimately create their socialistic utopia.....

Brit Hume on FNC noted at the last break that the questions of the moderators are focusing on asking McCain about greater and greater government involvement - bigger government being seen as better government. Woodruff is clearly showing those left wing stripes on her sleeves.

173 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:43:16pm

Ref: Old and vigourous

What a wise ass!

ZZZZZZZ!


ROTFLMAO!

174 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:43:19pm

People who have to work can still work. It's that they don't want to give up any extra time- they might miss American Idol or something.

175 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:43:27pm

re: #160 Intrepid

Hey - "old" guys can fight like hell when the chips are down!

If "old" is 45, then I join you in that rank.

I've been married twenty years. I have a job, a mortgage, and five kids.

OLD.

176 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:43:31pm

re: #168 callahan23

Mac pretended to be napping. He can take these lightweights in his sleep.

177 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:43:35pm

Who is the prissy male moderator?

178 Thanos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:43:43pm

John:

The Gov'ts a bit broken, the economy not so much.

179 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:43:49pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

McCain's doing well tonight.

what a nice simple sentence.

180 landshark  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:44:09pm

re: #153 KibbyKat

I think the BO campaign is going to make a commercial out of the line (paraphrasing), "It's easy for me to get on a plane and go to Washington and be divorced from day-to-day concerns." Ick.

Otherwise, I think he's doing well.

Agree...I cringed on that one as well...He obviously was talking in general about serving at the federal level, but you can definitely expect the Obamabats to jump on this.

181 Athos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:44:18pm

re: #157 LoFlyer

/She's an idiot...

You're being unkind and disrespectful to idiots.

182 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:44:23pm

Let's talk about countries that don't trust us.

Nah, I'd rather talk about countries that we don't trust.

183 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:44:53pm

re: #177 NoSubmission

Who is the prissy male moderator?

i was thinking the same thing.

184 LEGION  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:08pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Don't give em green cards- get them out!

185 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:08pm

re: #179 nyc redneck

what a nice simple sentence.

Thanks, I've been working on my grammar and spelling which both sometimes stink bad.

186 Joan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:10pm

re: #97 Sharmuta

c-span is showing President Bush at the Pentagon. I'm so thankful he was our President instead of that bloviating windbag al gore.

Good one! You are right.

Much went wrong, much I disagree with President Bush about--but he stood up and stood strong, he made a damn difficult decision and refused to break faith with the fighters, refused to break faith with victory and with America's long term best interests. He kept Rumsfeld too long, he's wrong on amnesty for illegal immigrants, too much on the side of huge money interests. I'm glad he was there when he was, though, and I refuse to demonize this basically decent, and courageous President.

187 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:11pm

Sure, let's send young girls to burhka-ridden hellholes all over the earth.
It's working out so well for that Brit woman who got caught having sex on the beach in the Middle East.
I'm sure the 100% conversion to Islam rate among our girls will be ''understood.''

188 mitzblitz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:13pm

immigration trapdoor! he handled it like only McCain can, unfortunately.

189 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:21pm

uh oh.
I don't know about that.

190 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:26pm

American Exceptionalism!

Go Mac!

191 LEGION  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:39pm

Why cares if they like us? FEAR US!
Carry a BIG Stick!

192 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:42pm

Green Cards for PhDs?

Any PhDs out there looking for work? Besieged with high paying offers, are you?

193 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:45pm

help the libs understand patriotism...

194 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:53pm

re: #167 NoSubmission

I had my McCain/Palin button on today. Got your msg. Sounds like you're having a nice time in the country.

{NoSubmission}
:D

195 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:45:56pm

WTF Judy- "are Americans special"? What a stupid question.

196 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:46:05pm

re: #177 NoSubmission
Prez of Time Magazine, IIRC.
Now, just got home from work. WTF is a Presedential Forum? Not a debate obviously.

197 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:46:08pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

What is the point of volunteering to help people in this country if you're getting paid for it? does that not make it volunteering? WTH? Billions of dollars for volunteering? Shouldn't it cost next to nothing?

Forced volunteering isn't volunteering either. The Dems don't seem to grasp that. and yes - all societal ills can be fixed with a government program. /
Tax the productive and pay some pencil pusher to do something nice.
The Democrat/progressive mind cannot fathom doing anything charitable without strings attached.

198 She-ra  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:46:25pm

I'm happy to hear McCain agree that there is such a concept of American Exceptionalism.

199 Crimsonfisted  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:46:31pm

What a GREAT face McCain just made! "What does it MEAN to be an American" he is asked and his face just said, "What, are you this STUPID you don;t KNOW? I have to explain it to you? Ok sweetie, I will."

200 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:46:31pm

Why are we so pleased to be America?
Ans: Are you shting me?

201 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:46:48pm

re: #195 Sharmuta

Let's hope she asks Obama the same question.

202 ArmyWife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:04pm

Special day? This isn't a holiday where the Terrorist Fairy comes and leaves gifts. This is a somber day - a day of remembrance. Yes, we need to remember how this Country pulled together, but it is not, and never should be, a day of celebration.

203 Athos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:08pm

re: #182 FightingBack

Let's talk about countries that don't trust us.

Nah, I'd rather talk about countries that we don't trust.

I don't worry about what other countries think. I'm not poll driven. The focus has to be on what we are doing and why. If countries agree, support, and follow us - great. If they don't, then that tells me a lot about them. If they oppose us, then I also know where they stand and can act accordingly.

I will not go out of my way to help or support those nations who do not support us or work against us. The issue is not the number of friends, but the quality of the friends.

204 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:17pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

Let's hope she asks Obama the same question.

Why are Indonesians special?

205 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:24pm

Judy is trying to get him to fall down the "better" trap door. Headlines tomorrow "McCain thinks we're better - American image will suffer."

Stuff it Judy

206 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:34pm

Judy's really trying to get McCain to insult the international community.

I'll say it for John McCain- yes. We're better.

207 Joan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:36pm

re: #88 The Shadow Do

Lib meme: Only the poor serve.....

*Whap Whap Whap!*

Why is ROTC not welcomed on campuses including this one?

"well, now, they're just leftie weenies, now, 'm-kay?"

208 callahan23  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:36pm

re: #184 LEGION

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Don't give em green cards- get them out!

I want to get in. What about that?

209 She-ra  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:38pm

Blah, blah blah. I'm bored.

210 Athos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:44pm

re: #183 lori lane

i was thinking the same thing.

Richard Stengel, Editor Time Magazine

211 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:46pm

re: #129 lori lane

Sounds like a day well spent! Where was dinner? Everything fine here. I'm holding down the fort!

It was a wonderful day..we ate at Green street in brownsburg..
I shot an 83 at West Chase today..I'm feeling pretty good right now..yesterday a blogger here ( 3 wood ) suggested a few things to help and his tips did help.. 3 wood you da man!
great forum so far for Mac.

212 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:47:54pm

re: #165 Charles

Remember when he said, deadpan, "That's right, fight among yourselves," to some pre-convention democratic candidates? Ha.

213 ArmyWife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:48:26pm

That was a bit too PC for me. Yes, this makes America and Americans better. Yes, yes indeed it does. Next question?

214 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:48:52pm

Fuck the international community. We know who our friends are and those who aren't.

215 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:48:57pm

re: #171 lifeofthemind

gosh, i love the american natural history museum.
i just want to put up a sm. free standing tent and live on the first floor.
anywhere in the hall would be fine.

216 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:07pm

What a bunch of stupid ass questions.

217 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:09pm

Do you think I could expect politics to be a little less nasty?
Pretty please?

218 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:13pm

He's calling out Obama on the town hall debates.

219 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:17pm

Are we better? Hell yes we walk farther move more think clearer work harder shoot straighter and spit more accurately than anyone else.

220 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:19pm

Why does he always have to praise/compliment Obama?

221 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:22pm

re: #151 nyc redneck

i'm going to get my mccain/palin bumper sticker tomorrow.
i got the muffler fixed, so nobody thinks i'm just a bitter clinger.

You have a car in NYC? wow!

222 LEGION  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:27pm

Punch and Judy---- Punch and Judy!

223 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:49:55pm

Could politics be less nasty? Yes- if the msm would play fair and not help smear the people they don't like, perhaps we'd have it.

224 solomonpanting  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:13pm

re: #177 NoSubmission

Who is the prissy male moderator?

Tommy Lee Jones' twin, Skippy--with a facelift.

225 LEGION  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:15pm

re: #208 callahan23

Get on line! No sneaking in like half my neighbors! Prove your worth- EARN it!

226 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:16pm

re: #211 HoosierHoops

Way to go on the 83! I'll have to google that restaurant. Great day for golf!

227 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:17pm

What's up with the obsession with national service tonight?

228 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:21pm

re: #220 lori lane

Shows up the Dems.

229 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:24pm

What can National Service do to knit up America?
Hey. We're already Americans.

230 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:24pm

Nat'l service again? Ya can't make people volunteer! Sheesh, enough with the leftist talking points!

231 She-ra  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:31pm

These questions assume a lot of liberal garbage is true. The premise of these questions are faulty! He's answering well.

232 galloping granny  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:35pm

re: #220 lori lane

Why does he always have to praise/compliment Obama?

Because it makes him look like the gentleman that he is and makes a pointed contrast to Obama's propensity for rudeness.

233 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:39pm

re: #220 lori lane

Why does he always have to praise/compliment Obama?

Because then they can't paint him as running a nasty campaign.

234 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:54pm

Yeah make em work for that green card!

235 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:50:54pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

What's up with the obsession with national service tonight?

It's a national service forum.

236 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:02pm

So.,, the CU brownshirts didn't storm the stage...

237 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:11pm

That was it? A coupla stupid social questions?

238 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:15pm

OK. I love this guy. I done went and said it.

239 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:19pm

re: #220 lori lane

Why does he always have to praise/compliment Obama?

Sure.
And he does it much more cleverly than the Clintons......when they twist the knife we all see it.
Like today when Bill said 0bama will win in a landslide.

240 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:24pm

Judy Woofwoof makes my skin crawl. She'll damn near swoon when the Obamessiah comes on.

241 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:33pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

Aha! Now it makes sense.

242 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:35pm

Did they scream like that for McCain?

243 Eric Blair  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:36pm

I am a bit skeptical about this forum which turns remembrance of the 9/11 attack into boosting "public service", because this can mean anything. There is no equivalence between military service, which is greatly needed to prevent other attacks, to "community organizing", which seems to be the bright new name for old-fashioned machine politics.

244 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:36pm

Good job, McCain.

245 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:37pm

oh cheers for Obama. gag.

246 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:40pm

What college are they at?

247 Charles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:42pm

Oh no. Please don't hug.

They hugged.

248 mitzblitz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:45pm

pop star arrives!

249 Joan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:47pm

re: #19 NoSubmission

Is this at Columbia Unversity?

That explains the strategic sabotage. You know, "Silence, Infidel! We have control all your microphones."

250 landshark  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:52pm

He needs to stop praising Obama so much...these are just going to turn into soundbites...(e.g. Barack Obama as a highly successful community organizer)...by all accounts BO failed miserably at that and quit. There were others as well. He could have remained objective without the fluff.

251 spidly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:51:53pm

very well done

252 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:02pm

re: #242 NoSubmission

Did they scream like that for McCain?

i don't think so....

253 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:02pm

boooo

254 She-ra  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:06pm

And the crowd goes wild. ugh. Never sending my kids to an ivy league anything!

255 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:09pm

re: #246 pingjockey

What college are they at?

Columbia University.

256 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:13pm

re: #238 The Shadow Do

OK. I love this guy. I done went and said it.

And now for the flip side.....

257 Charles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:13pm

I don't want my presidential candidates hugging.

258 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:19pm

This should be uh, er, I, er uh, good

259 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:22pm

re: #215 nyc redneck

gosh, i love the american natural history museum.
i just want to put up a sm. free standing tent and live on the first floor.
anywhere in the hall would be fine.

I got to run around it when it was closed to the public, that was fun.

260 LEGION  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:26pm

Bozo Baracks coming on and I'm going out- what's on the Sci Fi channel? It will be an out of world experience if that piece of work gets snuck in!

261 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:29pm

re: #247 Charles

Didn't look like barry was too happy about that.

262 Sparkizzy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:33pm

re: #239 mean Gene

Like today when Bill said 0bama will win in a landslide.

:O

263 Charles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:53pm

Male, female, I don't care. Just don't hug. Don't do it.

264 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:52:59pm

Now come the "soft-ball" questions!

265 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:07pm

Now Obama is up - expect questions like "what is your favorite color"?

Or if they ask the same questions as they asked McCain, expect that he's heard them already. No cone of silence here.

266 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:08pm

Why'd he come in before the commercial?
Afraid of the Remote?

267 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:22pm

re: #247 Charles

Oh no. Please don't hug.

They hugged.

I was thinking after what Obama said the last 2 days that McCain should punch him hard in th egut.

268 She-ra  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:27pm

Juan Williams said this is a snorefest. That's for sure!

269 america1  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:31pm

Headline tomorrow reads: McCain wants the draft. Oh I can just see it now.

270 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:32pm

Did anybody else besides me notice how ''speedy'' 0bama acted at Ground Zero today?
He couldn't stop talking and gesturing.....
It looked like McCain wanted a little peace and quiet befitting the solemn occasion, but 0bama would not shut up.

271 callahan23  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:33pm

re: #225 LEGION

I'm in the process of getting a green card.
So, no thanks I will not sneak in.

272 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:42pm

I heard a b000 for 0bama. Was mine. In the back of the crowd of fight club underground battlecries of leftists.

273 LSD  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:51pm

IMHO, he won it when he called them on not letting ROTC on campus.

274 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:53:56pm

re: #257 Charles

I don't want my presidential candidates hugging.

I did notice today at Ground Zero that McCain was hugging the people they met. Obama just put his man-handled their shoulders.

275 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:08pm

re: #255 NoSubmission
Gaaaah. My opinion of the education being provided at Ivy League schools has dropped like a rock over the last few years.

276 transient  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:08pm

Not sure I can stand to listen to Obama.

It's not at all fair to do the entire McCain interview first and allow Obama to respond to McCain without giving McCain a chance to rebut.

I notice the media does this all the time with Israel-Palestinian "equal time" interviews. The Israeli always goes first.

277 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:15pm

In Bill-speak... he said:

"Obama will be hit by a landslide."

Ol' Slick Willie

278 Mark1957  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:15pm

re: #247 Charles

All that was missing was Jessie Jackson behind both of them with his hands, intoning, "Let the healing begin!"

279 Charles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:36pm

What's with these long segments of dead air?

280 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:39pm

re: #263 Charles

Male, female, I don't care. Just don't hug. Don't do it.

{Charles} :)

281 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:40pm

re: #243 Eric Blair

I'm not listening to the "debate" -- but from what I've read from the comments posted thus far, I'd say it's a set-up for The One...it's like propaganda for Democratic Talking points...And now the Obamaton will come on stage and woo them all with his pre-arranged answers to soft ball "questions."

282 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:54:57pm

re: #268 She-ra

Juan Williams said this is a snorefest. That's for sure!

Questions about a national volunteer corps? Even I took a nap.

283 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:00pm

re: #249 Joan

That explains the strategic sabotage. You know, "Silence, Infidel! We have control all your microphones."

hahaha yea but i'm watching CNNHD and didn't have one technical issue with sound..

284 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:01pm

re: #276 transient

Not sure I can stand to listen to Obama.

You might miss the next big gaffe. He is, after all, gafftastic.

285 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:22pm

re: #257 Charles

I don't want my presidential candidates hugging.

Why? Is hugging gangster like?

286 solomonpanting  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:22pm
The crowd went crazy
As Obama hit the stage
No arrogance was lost
As the tough questions were tossed
In the dumpster page by page

From The Who's Tommy

287 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:34pm

I'm pissed. Why didn't they ask McCain what his thoughts were on the Bush Doctrine?
/sarc

288 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:34pm

Okay, people.. Obama's up soon... ready your uh-o-meters!

289 Balian1193  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:44pm

Yes, this is at Columbia University, Obama's old stomping ground. McCain represented himself well.

290 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:55:53pm

They're still screaming?

291 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:04pm

re: #257 Charles

I don't want my presidential candidates hugging.

It could be worse - ass slapping would get me to move to France, where they cheek kiss.

/

292 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:13pm

uh...

293 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:14pm

Do NOT drink on the ''uh's.''
You won't survive it.

294 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:14pm

Testosterone Quotient:
Interviewers: Minus 4
Johnny: 10.

295 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:18pm

re: #274 lori lane

I did notice today at Ground Zero that McCain was hugging the people they met. Obama just put his man-handled their shoulders.

McCain can't get his hands up without pain so he hugs, it is a protection.

296 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:22pm

Wow... a BJ on national TV... who thought I'd live that long.

297 galloping granny  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:25pm

re: #263 Charles

Male, female, I don't care. Just don't hug. Don't do it.

I agree. PDA is nasty. A handshake is plenty nice enough.

298 LSD  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:25pm

S
N
O
B

299 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:27pm

Uh.... it starts already

300 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:30pm

someone remind him..

301 chicagodudewhotrades  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:31pm

re: #262 Sparkizzy


I think Bill saying that about Barry was a strategic pure-clinton type move. if Barry loses, B. Clinton can say , "hey, he should have won, he didn't. Let us try me wife next time around".

302 She-ra  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:34pm

Alma mater - that's why they're screaming, sure.

303 noshariaincanada  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:35pm

re: #293 mean Gene

Do NOT drink on the ''uh's.''
You won't survive it.

note taken

304 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:36pm

re: #291 karmic_inquisitor

It could be worse - ass slapping would get me to move to France, where they cheek kiss.

/

Have you seen Arab leaders meet?
0 boy.

305 Tigger2005  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:40pm

re: #263 Charles

Male, female, I don't care. Just don't hug. Don't do it.

When Palin and Biden debate, she better watch it, he'll probably try to cop a feel.

Of course, if he did, she would probably knee him in the groin.

306 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:55pm

I..I..I...uh.....er... eh.. ah...

307 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:56pm

You can thank Rudy for the NY cleanup, Barack.

308 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:56:57pm

wow what a life story lmao

309 mitzblitz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:03pm

same questions? did Obama enjoy the cone of silence?

310 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:11pm

What does 9/11 mean to you.

Uh....this is above my pay grade.

311 transient  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:15pm

re: #284 Sharmuta

You might miss the next big gaffe. He is, after all, gafftastic.

Yeah, but if he does gaffe, you know Judy will correct him.
Oh, all right. But I'm getting a beer.

(Audience goes crazy for BO) ...make that two.

312 spidly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:19pm

re: #279 Charles

What's with these long segments of dead air?

to make it seem like your watching cspan. lecture hall Gravitas

"connection error"

313 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:24pm

Uhhh, you know, let me uhhh be as uhhh articulate as uhh I can be.

314 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:52pm

what the hell is this guy talking about?

315 galloping granny  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:52pm

re: #276 transient

Not sure I can stand to listen to Obama.

It's not at all fair to do the entire McCain interview first and allow Obama to respond to McCain without giving McCain a chance to rebut.

I notice the media does this all the time with Israel-Palestinian "equal time" interviews. The Israeli always goes first.

Look at it this way. John McCain got the first chance to make his points - and he is always pretty lucid. Obama is not. He wanders and dithers and um um ums. Last is not a benefit to him.

316 Athos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:58pm

This should be a good format for Barry - talk 10 minutes after getting a question....and not really say anything. It's not like Stengel or Woodruff will follow-up on him.

317 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:57:58pm

After "The Tragedy" had occurred.

318 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:02pm

re: #304 Age Of Freedom

Have you seen Arab leaders meet?
0 boy.

It it any wonder that Arafat died of AIDS? Too many state visits.

/

319 ArmyWife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:02pm

I think there is a place for public service, but no, its not like and never will be like serving in the military. It takes incredible to courage to put your life on the line to save the lives of others - especially protecting the likes of Pelosi and the Code Pink dingalings with as much fervor as those of us that get it.

So, to all those on this board who serve and have served, thank you.

320 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:08pm

My skin crawls whenever someone calls 9/11 a 'tragedy'. It was an attack.

321 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:08pm

He is such a bore............zzzzzzzzzzz

322 LSD  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:13pm

What is this "Public Service" BULLSHIT!

323 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:16pm

re: #314 iceman1960

what the hell is this guy talking about?

HAhahahahahaha!

I don't think he knows!

324 mfarmer1  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:21pm

Judy- "Senator Obama, how do you stay so slim, healthy, and handsome looking under such a grueling campaign while under siege from the non-ending Republican lies and distortions about your incredible history and glowing Presidential credentials?"

Seriously, let's see now that the government service angle has been made the theme this evening, how long it takes before he's asked about community organizing.

325 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:24pm

That "petty bickering" comment sounded like a whine to me.

326 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:43pm

re: #322 LSD

What is this "Public Service" BULLSHIT!


Writing two memoirs?

327 Alouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:51pm

You fucking ass, it was not a "disaster" like a hurricane or a tornado!

328 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:58:55pm

By destroying Jihad.

329 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:01pm

Hey, Bill tapped into some of that "yearning".

330 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:09pm

re: #193 NoSubmission

help the libs understand patriotism...

that's a lost cause. think abt. that fool ie. matt damon. he is so self conscious and awkward abt. his windfall success. which he knows is way beyond what he deserves.
so now he must act like a righteous good person. he has, however, no idea that what he is doing is inappropriate and ill conceived and a real danger to the very system that has made him successful.
it is really crazy how these lib fools desire to be liked and seen as good people.
lol, they throw in w/ the enemy. who will vanquish them immediately.

331 Eric Blair  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:10pm

Ah! Obama wants to diminish the " petty bickering of public life".

332 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:14pm

She reports on Sen Mac to Obambi.
And why are you different?

333 MeCurious  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:19pm

why is she telling him what McCain said?

334 Athos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:24pm

Jeez - is this another startup to the 'George Bush killed the partnership and bi-partisanship in this country' meme? After all let's not blame the people who are putting politics ahead of country - let's blame the one who took action to prevent another attack over the last 7 years.

335 galloping granny  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:27pm

re: #322 LSD

What is this "Public Service" BULLSHIT!

Obama has stated several times that he intends to put universal mandatory public "service" in place.

336 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:28pm

re: #323 Racer X

HAhahahahahaha!

I don't think he knows!

What's really funny is I'm being serious!

337 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:28pm

Yep, he's been fed the questions ahead of time.

Slick. It's his home turf. So he's bound to get mega applause.

Let's take the debate to the Naval College John McCain went to.

See how that works out, ZERO!

338 spidly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:34pm

ask vs compel

there's a difference

339 baxtrice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:36pm

Barry to W: "You Suck."

340 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:40pm

This dude cannot speak off the cuff!

341 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:43pm

Obama is in a virtual tweed jacket with leather elbow patches. He will be the Columbia Professor for the evening.

/ hope he alienates the middle of America even more.

342 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:52pm

Did he just say "we went after those that attacked us appropriately"?

343 Balian1193  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 5:59:53pm

Uh, xxxxxx xxxx xxxxx. um, uh, um, xxxx.

344 Sparkizzy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:00pm

Can anyone post lines? Video is wonky

345 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:00pm

Sounds like sex in the back of the room

346 USA  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:08pm

tire pressure!

347 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:11pm

WTF was that scream for?

348 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:15pm

"Squeeeeel!"

349 noshariaincanada  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:18pm

"we're going to create a government committee to ensure your tires are properly inflated".

350 transient  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:18pm

"If I had been president on 9/11...."

That's the stuff of nightmares.

351 mitzblitz  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:21pm

I think I just heard someone tell a screaming Obie supporter to "shut up".

352 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:25pm

Was that a diddy ho there?

353 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:29pm

I thought there was a time delay? How'd the Shriek get through?
and is that a College student?

354 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:41pm

I think he came with talking points and isn't addressing the questions (however inane).

355 Thanos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:44pm

Softball Monday morning quarterback question of "what I would have done" post 9/11

356 Athos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:49pm

re: #345 lifeofthemind

Sounds like sex in the back of the room

Must have been Chris Matthews getting another leg tingle.

357 LSD  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:55pm

For too long our culture has said, "If it feels good, do it." Now America is embracing a new ethic and a new creed: "Let's roll."

'Nuff said

358 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:00:56pm

Fuck you obambi! If I want to ride my Harley I will. If I want a F-350 with the V-10 I 'll get it. Bite me organizer boy!

359 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:01pm

Community organize...

360 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:05pm

Gawd this guys just yaps on and on but doesn't say ANYTHING!

361 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:14pm

re: #347 Sharmuta

WTF was that scream for?

Freeing us from foreign oil or some such...

362 Alouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:16pm

He's talking about energy independence and small towns.

Sarah, did you focus your hair rays through your lenses to fry Barry's brain?

363 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:16pm

THey are not pretending he wasn;t listening, he says he was, that is fair

364 Balian1193  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:17pm

Volunteered first respondents? OMG ...can Muslims volunteer too?

365 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:18pm

Will the domestic security force get Brown Shirts?

366 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:20pm

A different result? So exactly what would you have done?

367 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:25pm

Get hollywood to do community service, first

368 ArmyWife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:37pm

Civic service is going to cut dependance on foreign oil? Are we all going to be handed shovels and sent to Alaska to start digging?

369 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:38pm

Geezus somebody tell this guy to shut the hell up!
Either stop stammering or make sense. One or the other please.

370 lobo91  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:41pm

Um..."Each and every one of us is going to make agreements" to reduce energy use?

So, we're going to have "mandatory agreements"?

371 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:43pm

Ask him something really important, like how much lipstick he got today.

You can contact us by mail at:
Obama for America
P.O. Box 8102
Chicago, IL 60680

/keep it coming, her prefers blue, to match his lips

372 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:46pm

You can't make people serve in the military- unless you reinstate the draft, Senator Uh-uh-uh.

373 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:47pm

Wow - he just said he heard what was discussed before. So he's had time to come up with his answers.

Tool.

374 transient  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:50pm

re: #347 Sharmuta

WTF was that scream for?

Reduce reliance on foreign oil.
Either that or spontaneous orgasm over The One.

375 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:54pm

"Active Citizenship" (even using his term)

376 mfarmer1  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:01:56pm

"...tire gauge..."

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEL!

377 Charles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:04pm

The interesting thing to me is that Obama's faulting Bush for not pushing national service, and instead telling Americans to "shop." But unless I'm mistaken, one of the most polarizing, dangerous, and destabilizing issues during the Vietnam War was the draft. Also known as, national service.

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

378 miamitech  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:08pm

obama said america is the greatest country in the world

379 pink freud  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:09pm

Neighborliness = Income Redistribution

380 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:21pm

re: #354 rw in san diego

I think he came with talking points and isn't addressing the questions (however inane).

Yep.

Unfortunately he is confused on when to use those talking points.

Obama is starting off badly.

381 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:36pm

Now he's stealing McCain's lines. He must be pissed about "change" getting taken from him.

382 lori lane  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:45pm

re: #362 Alouette

He's talking about energy independence and small towns.

He added "middle-sized towns" for good measure.

383 bnichols10  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:48pm

What exactly does he mean by "the government is going to be in partnership with citizens"? All we get is a bunch of focus group-tested ambiguous catch phrases from this guy....

384 spidly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:50pm

re: #379 pink freud

Neighborliness = Income Redistribution

servitude

385 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:51pm

My town has always ONLY had a volunteer fire company.

WTF is he talking about?!

386 Eric Blair  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:02:54pm

"If I had been president on 9/11...."(some gibberish interposed) "...I think we could have had a different result."

387 J.S.  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:00pm

re: #353 FightingBack

Maybe it was a Joe Biden shriek..

388 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:01pm

'national service.'?

389 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:04pm

Specific, please.
But we just have a minute, smirk,smirk....

390 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:04pm

Squeeeeeeeeeeeel! wow someone just channeled James Brown.

391 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:07pm

He hates private enterprise
active citizenship=government administration Stakhanavites

392 solomonpanting  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:17pm

re: #378 miamitech

obama said america is the greatest country in the world

His campaign will issue a clarification tomorrow.

393 Thanos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:18pm

Hahahaha

Asking him to be specific... he can't be.

394 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:26pm

re: #373 Intrepid

Wow - he just said he heard what was discussed before. So he's had time to come up with his answers.

Tool.

AND he is doing this badly.

395 Alouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:30pm

re: #387 J.S.

Maybe it was a Joe Biden shriek..

Howard Dean

396 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:36pm

re: #377 Charles

The interesting thing to me is that Obama's faulting Bush for not pushing national service, and instead telling Americans to "shop." But unless I'm mistaken, one of the most polarizing, dangerous, and destabilizing issues during the Vietnam War was the draft. Also known as, national service.

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

Charlie Rangel...yup!

397 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:38pm

The draft is to dems like invading ''x'' country.
It is never ''now'' or where we are, always somewhere else.

398 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:39pm

re: #377 Charles

The interesting thing to me is that Obama's faulting Bush for not pushing national service, and instead telling Americans to "shop." But unless I'm mistaken, one of the most polarizing, dangerous, and destabilizing issues during the Vietnam War was the draft. Also known as, national service.

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

Making the individual subservient to the state always has been...

399 Alouette  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:47pm

Start early, Komsomol, Young Pioneers

400 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:51pm

printed some I ♥ PALIN bumper stickers i put them up when the ink was still wet almost going to enjoy it when some moonbat gets wet oil based ink on his hands

BAWWWWWWWAH.

401 Charles  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:52pm

They're being much nicer to Barack, so far.

402 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:52pm

He's got all sorts of other stuff?

403 LSD  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:57pm

re: #377 Charles

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

I think Charlie Rangel can answer that ...

404 spidly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:03:58pm

re: #383 bnichols10

What exactly does he mean by "the government is going to be in partnership with citizens"? All we get is a bunch of focus group-tested ambiguous catch phrases from this guy....

aka - fascism
public control of private capital and private behaviour

405 baxtrice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:00pm

re: #377 Charles

The interesting thing to me is that Obama's faulting Bush for not pushing national service, and instead telling Americans to "shop." But unless I'm mistaken, one of the most polarizing, dangerous, and destabilizing issues during the Vietnam War was the draft. Also known as, national service.

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

Good point. The left/liberals screamed bloody murder at our military because of the draft and used it as a lightning rod to rally the youth.

406 Athos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:01pm

What built this country, pinhead, are the core values of America - Individual Rights, Lack of Government interference, Liberty, and Freedom.

There weren't huge governments in the 19th century or massive amounts of government paid bureaucrats or pushing national service short of building up our military when times called for it.

407 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:05pm

re: #378 miamitech

obama said america is the greatest country in the world

Which is why he needs to Change it.

408 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:11pm

pink! :-)

409 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:13pm

Woot! Free college. Obama is sputtering crap and going way beyond what the question is.

Empty. Suit.

410 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:23pm

Now he spouting communist double speak.
/National service plan? how does this increase our security? How good is the pay?

411 ArmyWife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:33pm

I have a very specific plan. The specifics are that Kennedy is going to talk about it. We are going to have very specific opportunities. Specifically, people are going to serve in very specific places doing specific jobs. Specifically

/Barry O

412 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:35pm

They're all knids of places to volunteer NOW! YMCA/YWCA, Salvation Army, local food bank, all kinds of stuff.

413 lobo91  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:40pm

re: #377 Charles

The interesting thing to me is that Obama's faulting Bush for not pushing national service, and instead telling Americans to "shop." But unless I'm mistaken, one of the most polarizing, dangerous, and destabilizing issues during the Vietnam War was the draft. Also known as, national service.

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

I think I speak for the majority of those of us in uniform when I say, "No, thank you" to the idea of reinstating the draft.

414 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:42pm

In "exchange for making college affordable"?
Below minimum wage "volunteer" work?
Or salaried cushy govt job?

415 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:44pm

"And we'll be back after the break, for the weekly 0bama ummah radio show messages"

416 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:04:50pm

After 12 words it starts to all run together...

Judy even asked for specifics, I guess he got off track. Go figure.


Thanks for the reminder about WTH I was talking about Judy...

417 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:10pm

re: #386 Eric Blair

"If I had been president on 9/11...."(some gibberish interposed) "...I think we could have had a different result."


He would handed the keys to the White House over to bin laden.

418 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:16pm

re: #377 Charles

The interesting thing to me is that Obama's faulting Bush for not pushing national service, and instead telling Americans to "shop." But unless I'm mistaken, one of the most polarizing, dangerous, and destabilizing issues during the Vietnam War was the draft. Also known as, national service.

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

Yes- because then they think that Americans would demand less international military involvement.

And about the shopping- President Bush was trying to make sure our economy stayed strong. If he hadn't done that, they would now attack him for not shoring up our economy. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with these people. If our economy had not stayed strong- the cost of the war would be hitting us even harder.

419 mfarmer1  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:23pm

I'm sure all of those grads from Columbia are going straight into public service after graduation...not! Wanna wager how many of them become bottom feeding scumbag lawyers?

420 bnichols10  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:25pm

re: #404 spidly

I know. I wish someone would ask the follow up question though. He always gets away with throwing this crap out there and no one has the balls to ask "What the hell do you mean by that exactly?"

421 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:26pm

re: #410 LoFlyer

Now he spouting communist double speak.
/National service plan? how does this increase our security? How good is the pay?

For one year they get $1700 a month plus another $5000 after finishing....only toward education.

422 galloping granny  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:33pm

re: #368 ArmyWife

Civic service is going to cut dependance on foreign oil? Are we all going to be handed shovels and sent to Alaska to start digging?

Besides which, if we all go out and work for free, where are we going to get paying jobs for everyone?

423 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:50pm

Obama is blowing smoke with his chatter about National Service. The entrenched Unions that he is beholden to will not sit back while a corps of volunteers do work that they consider their own.

424 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:53pm

re: #377 Charles

Non military service. 2 years of indoctrination and activism, and if they need to they canset up an alternative military, like a Party SS.

425 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:05:54pm

re: #257 Charles

I don't want my presidential candidates hugging.

UNLESS THEY ARE USING IT TO STICK IN A DAGGER OR TWO

426 Pepper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:02pm

Nice. Obama's reaction to 9/11, a speech on meeting great challenges and tap (dance).

He never commits to an action especially direct action .......what puffery!

He does not know who serves in the military!

The common wisdom is wrong on the composition of soldiers in the military and especially in combat arms.

Government mandated volunteerism ...what a concept!

How about edcation daycamps for the young. Let's not forget the re-education camps for the older ones who need to know better.

(thank goodness for a break!)

427 pink freud  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:07pm

re: #408 littleoldlady

pink! :-)

Doggone it LOL, I am here, hell and be damned the homework! All schools closed tomorrow for Ike, we're actually under hurricane warnings 200 miles from landfall ...expecting 80 mph winds.

/i've taken my emetrol, bring bambi on

428 ArmyWife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:10pm

re: #419 mfarmer1


hey now...

429 Athos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:11pm

re: #377 Charles

The interesting thing to me is that Obama's faulting Bush for not pushing national service, and instead telling Americans to "shop." But unless I'm mistaken, one of the most polarizing, dangerous, and destabilizing issues during the Vietnam War was the draft. Also known as, national service.

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

Yes. Rangel and others introduced bills in every year since 2003 calling for a draft. The rationale - not enough people are angry at the Administration and marching. They can't recreate 1968-72. What's missing is the draft. With an all volunteer military - this doesn't touch everyone. With a Draft, everyone 18-28 is potentially touched - therefore more to participate, protest, and march.

430 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:14pm

re: #156 Outrider

Ever hear the acronym CYA? The Y is for your own. I don't want and don't need any governmental agency looking out for ME. As for giving charitably to those in need, the buck starts here. Love God. Love your neighbor. What goes around comes around. A thousand fold. No need for any enforced servitude like some civilian equivalent of the military. We got the Job Corps already. We hardly need anybody in my community or neighborhood to organize anything. Thank you.

/United Allies rant off

431 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:17pm

re: #368 ArmyWife

Civic service is going to cut dependance on foreign oil? Are we all going to be handed shovels and sent to Alaska to start digging?

Holiday in Cambodia

432 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:26pm

When he talks about public service he is talking about the civilian "army" he wants to build.

433 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:29pm

re: #408 littleoldlady

pink! :-)

Hi lol..Do you have fruitcups available tonight?
/mmmmm fruitcups!

434 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:31pm

re: #263 Charles

Male, female, I don't care. Just don't hug. Don't do it.

we're a hugging culture.
people hug.
i agree w/ you tho.
i'm not into excessive hugging.

435 desertbrat  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:37pm

Looks like Judy got a botox treatment between interviews...that frown in her forehead is only a semi-crater.

436 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:39pm

re: #335 galloping granny

Obama has stated several times that he intends to put universal mandatory public "service" in place.

Do you have a link for that? The mandatory part sounds a little implausible.

437 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:49pm

national service = armed glassy-eyed libs?

438 baxtrice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:06:49pm

re: #418 Sharmuta


He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with these people.

+100 updings. So true it freaking hurts!

439 Sparkizzy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:06pm

re: #411 ArmyWife

I have a very specific plan. The specifics are that Kennedy is going to talk about it. We are going to have very specific opportunities. Specifically, people are going to serve in very specific places doing specific jobs. Specifically

/Barry O

LMAO

440 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:16pm

re: #377 Charles

And in the country after 9/11/01, our economy needed an encouraging word to go about our daily lives, so that it wouldn't tank.

GWB did that. He did what he had to do as a leader, as a President.

This "nuance" fueled tool thinks that we would have been ok, without Americans going about their daily lives.

No. Experience. To. Lead.

441 CactusJack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:17pm

he said that after 9/11 he would have got us off foreign oil...mmmm ok.

guy is just so....ugh

442 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:19pm

re: #420 bnichols10

I know. I wish someone would ask the follow up question though. He always gets away with throwing this crap out there and no one has the balls to ask "What the hell do you mean by that exactly?"

Yes, he always says nothing eloquently. When people have time to really digest it they will see that.

443 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:25pm

Pull my finger.

/BARAAAACK!

444 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:50pm

re: #267 lifeofthemind

I was thinking after what Obama said the last 2 days that McCain should punch him hard in th egut.

what's an egut?

445 callahan23  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:07:53pm

My "new comments" button is not working.

446 yochanan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:01pm

nice seeing the lizard king on PJTV WAY TO GO CHARLES.

447 So?  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:07pm

Never heard Obama speak before except for sound bites. What I find interesting listening now to C-Span is that yesterday as he made that Palin pig lipstick remark, the tone of his voice in the 30 seconds leading up to the remark he sounded like Jesse Jackson, with that black lilit at the end of each word.


Here, he is talking with very eloquent enunciation, and not doing the Jesse Jackson lilt. Oprah has the same tendency, when she wants to "emphasize" something she goes into her "black" twang, as if it's hip to talk black.

Listen to yesterday'sl ipstick remark, and you'll know what I'm talking about.

448 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:08pm

wow, what suck up questions.

449 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:16pm

Ha. The interviewer just pointed out how the Unions will object to a National Service plan. No doubt about that.

450 Eric Blair  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:23pm

I've got all sorts of other stuff"..." that you'll find out about after I'm elected. (Mwa ha ha"

451 ciaospirit  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:27pm

Obama and Shebama are already pushing national service through the group called Public Allies, which BHO wants to make mandatory.

Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals

"Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities," Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for "justice" and "equality" in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. "I get to practice being an activist," and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.

452 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:30pm

Education System Fails.
Columbia students applaud.

453 galloping granny  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:33pm

re: #436 JustMyView

Do you have a link for that? The mandatory part sounds a little implausible.

I guess you had best just go look it up yourself JustMyView. He has said it a couple of times and so has Michelle.

454 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:45pm

Unions are unAmerican.

455 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:48pm

BO:
"We can't continue A education system....."
Um, it's AN education.....

456 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:08:55pm

Unions = Borg

457 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:09:07pm

re: #437 NoSubmission

national service = armed glassy-eyed libs?


So they can rise up with the One calls them to do his bidding.

458 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:09:44pm

re: #427 pink freud

OMG! AGAIN!?

/you're just not getting a break!
//STAY SAFE!

459 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:09:48pm

Her kids went to private school.

460 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:09:53pm

R-h-e-t-o-r-i-c-s.

461 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:09:58pm

re: #421 mean Gene

For one year they get $1700 a month plus another $5000 after finishing....only toward education.

Great, that's what SS told me if I worked every day of my life till 65. However if I claimed disability (Which I could do legitmately), I would earn 1900 a month right here and now for the rest of my life from SS. This is a fracked up instution.

462 lobo91  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:04pm

re: #454 Sharmuta

Unions are unAmerican.

So is Obama.

So it fits together nicely.

463 ArmyWife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:05pm

Oh no it isn't! The spirit of Unions is to do the least amount of work for the most amount of money and to ensure the standard is set to the lowest common denominator.

The lowest common denominator quote is direct from the Union President I am oh so blessed to spend most of my working life.

464 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:06pm

Teacher's unions?

NEA Teachers Have Become Re-Educators

/read all about who's teaching your children

465 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:20pm

re: #270 mean Gene

Did anybody else besides me notice how ''speedy'' 0bama acted at Ground Zero today?
He couldn't stop talking and gesturing.....
It looked like McCain wanted a little peace and quiet befitting the solemn occasion, but 0bama would not shut up.

obama probably had no real feelings at ground zero.
he had to gesticulate so people would think he was emoting and truly affected by being there.

466 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:30pm

Why does Judy keep telling BO what Mc Cain said?
Gee whiz Judy, your bias is showing...

467 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:31pm

Choices for young people are constrained? WTF?

468 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:39pm

where they cling to guns and shit.

469 bkgodfrey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:40pm

The History Channel is currently airing a very eerie documentary on 9/11. It is made up entirely of rare and unseen footage made by the public on that day. It's still terrifying to watch. Unbelievable.

470 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:43pm

Such blather. Hard to blog.

471 Thanos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:48pm

pffft. I couldn't afford it when I worked at a crisis line for two years. I learned more there than in college anyway.

472 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:50pm

Oh- now it's his favorite topic- himself.

473 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:10:56pm

Wow what a life story... pfffft

474 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:11:00pm

Here we see Judy's bias - "Not everyone can AFFORD to come out and volunteer", like John McCain said.

Sheesh.

475 Racer X  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:11:09pm

Can't this guy just spit out a sentence? Every word seems so calculated. Relax dude!

476 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:11:16pm

don't.say.'church'... obama..

477 miamitech  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:11:30pm

re: #456 Age Of Freedom

could you imagine if there was an IT union. your computer guy was a union guy that the real borg :-)

478 Outrider  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:11:35pm

re: #319 ArmyWife

I think there is a place for public service, but no, its not like and never will be like serving in the military. It takes incredible to courage to put your life on the line to save the lives of others - especially protecting the likes of Pelosi and the Code Pink dingalings with as much fervor as those of us that get it.

So, to all those on this board who serve and have served, thank you.

I agree. But, there could be a place for an organization like the WPA or CCC in today's world. A lot of public work could be achieved and people without skills would receive training and experience in useful trades. Most national and state parks constructed during the depression were built using this labor force and the work performed was awesome and are still standing as good as new.

479 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:11:35pm

re: #444 nyc redneck

what's an egut?


The electronic gut, a new program only cost $12,000,000,000.
The igut is virtual, only exists on a screen if you stay in Mom's basement.

480 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:11:39pm

COMMU(nist)ITY ORGANIZER!

481 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:11:47pm

I could have worked on Wall Street, but I choose service.

Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me.

482 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:23pm

Old arguments?

483 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:26pm

We're sorry, sorry, we spoke with McCain before, ya know? And he wasn't half bad. Please hit it out of the park.

484 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:28pm

Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.
Look.

485 ArmyWife  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:30pm

Life with. WITH. See what happens when you specialize in labor? You stop being capable of sentance completion.

486 pink freud  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:32pm

re: #469 bkgodfrey

Thanks. I'll watch it with you.

487 Celtic Templar  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:47pm

re: #108 Joan

You are right on target. It needs a thread, and it is far more vital than this lame assed service forum.
Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia have given 72 hour notice, ejecting our Ambassadors.

Oil, yes. Announcement by OPEC of production slowdown. Russian, South American, North Korea, Iran acting in concert, to carry out a secret compact? No, it isn't paranoid or impossible--read history, such understandings have happened and alliances forged numerous times in history.

Look for new belligerency, action from Russia (oil again). Oil is the carrot, Oil Famine is the stick, perhaps nukes are the currency of exchange? Of course, hegemony of the "international people's revolution" is the goal--but on the way to that, the U.S. is the target.

re: #377 Charles

The interesting thing to me is that Obama's faulting Bush for not pushing national service, and instead telling Americans to "shop." But unless I'm mistaken, one of the most polarizing, dangerous, and destabilizing issues during the Vietnam War was the draft. Also known as, national service.

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

Is Charlie Wrangel a Democrat?

488 spidly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:12:54pm

re: #456 Age Of Freedom

Unions = Borg

thugs. if yer gunna work here, youse gotta pay, see

489 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:13:02pm

Katrina!

490 callahan23  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:13:03pm

Oh my, BH0 comes across as the commie he is.
I hope that lots of Americans realize this.

491 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:13:08pm

Nuance at work here.

But he's taking several minutes to answer questions, and he sounds like a typical politician.

Notice no spontaneous applause these last few minutes.

492 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:13:21pm

re: #319 ArmyWife

You're very welcome.

493 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:13:25pm

re: #433 HoosierHoops

Hi lol..Do you have fruitcups available tonight?
/mmmmm fruitcups!

Hoosier! :-)

Large crowd here tonight. Apples at $2.88/pound.

/will you volunteer to pitch in? ;-)

494 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:13:27pm

This interview ignore's every big challenge facing America. Every question is about volunteer civilian service. This is BS, where are the big issues?
/NPR in action!

495 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:13:36pm

Uh, Bambi, Mac said he had a job for you in his cabinet. Probably community organizer. Are you game?

496 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:13:48pm

Can 0bama prove there are lots of mosques involved in fighting aids?

497 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:13:52pm

I'm sure Mosques deal with healing HIV.

498 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:01pm

OK what the hell is he talking about now

499 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:03pm

Finally figured it out - Barry is running for President of France.

/ lookout Sarko.

500 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:03pm

By blowing shit up.

501 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:24pm

He wants to bloat the bureaucracy.

502 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:26pm
503 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:32pm

Just what we need,,,more unelected bureaucrats!

504 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:34pm

Old arguments. just dismiss several hundred or thousand years of experience, the world is new, starting tomorrow government can do everything. He really hates private capital. Hatred of bureacracy is socialist Maoism, shows the Ayers influence.

505 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:40pm

Mosques have great volunteer programs.
For women.
Cute uniforms, too.

506 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:41pm

clean energy core? lmao

507 spidly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:51pm

re: #498 iceman1960

OK what the hell is he talking about now

i don't know. I zoned out

508 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:14:56pm

This is feel good nonsense talk.

509 baxtrice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:00pm

Obama: "Government fixes all your problems"

510 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:03pm

Gee wouldn't it have been better if John and BO were up there talking together rather than Judy and Whoever He Is just saying "John said this: and "John said that".

It's not a night of contrasts Judy yet you ask "Help us understand how you see things differently then he does."

((Smacking myself in the head and taking a swig)

511 lobo91  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:11pm

re: #478 Outrider

there could be a place for an organization like the WPA or CCC in today's world. A lot of public work could be achieved and people without skills would receive training and experience in useful trades.

Theoretically, yes, there could, but as someone else already pointed out, there's not a chance the unions would allow it.

512 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:12pm

An energy corps?

513 noshariaincanada  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:18pm

he wants to "mobilize" people.

Sounds like the commie revolutionary we all know he is.

514 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:22pm

CleanEnergyCorps! Inflate your tires!

515 Thanos  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:24pm

green jobs, the greenshirts will keep their neighborhoods in line...

516 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:27pm

re: #497 Age Of Freedom

I'm sure Mosques deal with healing HIV.

Mosques do not deal with that issue.
They pass the responsibility on to the local community organizer.

517 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:34pm

Clean Energy Corps?

Senior School Corps?

Huh?

518 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:34pm

If there's a government bureaucracy and failures --

Make the government bigger.

0bama / We Da Fyutcha!

519 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:37pm

Seniors are going to solve the USA problems? Like Johnny, you mean?

520 So?  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:44pm

I...I...I...I...I....mumble,,,mumble...


more Jesse Jackson shtick...

521 nightlight  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:15:45pm

what the hell is an energy corps?

522 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:03pm

re: #512 Sharmuta

An energy corps?

hamster wheels for humans.

523 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:05pm

re: #451 ciaospirit

Shit. I called it United Allies up-thread. It's Public Allies. My mistake.

524 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:15pm

Oh, he wants to talk about creating a "clean energy corps". Well now, let's see who is more experienced in this campaign in the area of energy.

Could it be the Governor of Alaska? Yep. She blows Obama away in the area of energy.

He's really halting, not very sure of his positions in this forum.

525 So?  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:29pm

re: #466 summergurl

Why does Judy keep telling BO what Mc Cain said?
Gee whiz Judy, your bias is showing...

Used to like Judy. Haven't seen her in 10 years. Now I know why.

526 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:30pm

Could we go back to the Church/Pastor format, please?

527 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:35pm

re: #493 littleoldlady

Hoosier! :-)

Large crowd here tonight. Apples at $2.88/pound.

/will you volunteer to pitch in? ;-)

Nope..that is what kids are for!
LOL
/good seeing you posting tonight..

528 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:39pm

re: #478 Outrider

I agree. But, there could be a place for an organization like the WPA or CCC in today's world. A lot of public work could be achieved and people without skills would receive training and experience in useful trades. Most national and state parks constructed during the depression were built using this labor force and the work performed was awesome and are still standing as good as new.

I like the idea and it has romantic appeal, but the govt then did not have a problem with saying "put a Dam here" or "build a road there".

Can't happen today.

Environmental Impact Reports.

And only a small set of people are qualified to do them and they take a lot of time to complete. So your "workforce" sits around.

Barry hasn't thought it through.

529 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:39pm

Does this guy have a clue as to what a college tuition runs these days? A $4000 tax credit will not even cover one semester at my local community college.

/and not even one course at my daughter's school

530 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:16:52pm

If we're not here to contrast WTH are we doing?!

531 LoFlyer  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:17:11pm

re: #521 nightlight

what the hell is an energy corps?

Dead energy initiatives....

532 spidly  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:17:14pm

re: #512 Sharmuta

An energy corps?

you've seen those happy asians treading on the wheels for irrigation at the point of a gun?

533 So?  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:17:17pm

Mr. O you should have gone to Wall St....strrrrreeeet,,,sttrrrreeet

534 Pepper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:17:22pm

Round 2:

Union question ...tap ....tap ...tap...

Did he just say something almost negative about the NEA?

Paid volunteers, we call them employees.

How about we call them volunteers then employees, and roll them up into the government. Much easier to be sure they voluntarily do what they are told.
We can then give them raises with the justified tax increases.

It's an old arguments that the size of government displaces the private sector, but the age of the argument has never been deemed a determinant of fact.

I have old cheese in my refrigerator. I guess it became a bottle of ketchup, or maybe a fine wine. I can't wait to see!

535 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:17:49pm

So which corps will be called the "SA" and which one the "SS"?

That will help me keep them straight.

536 FightingBack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:17:57pm

New thread up.

537 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:18:01pm

re: #502 taxfreekiller

I enjoy your stuff, TFK. I really look forward to it.

538 galloping granny  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:18:07pm

re: #529 littleoldlady

Does this guy have a clue as to what a college tuition runs these days? A $4000 tax credit will not even cover one semester at my local community college.

/and not even one course at my daughter's school

Exactly!

539 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:18:21pm

re: #479 lifeofthemind

LOL

540 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:18:59pm

re: #532 spidly

you've seen those happy asians treading on the wheels for irrigation at the point of a gun?

I say again : Holiday in Cambodia.

Should be the unofficial campaign theme for O

541 littleoldlady  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:19:04pm

My husband just cracked me up...

"Do you think they talk about stuff like this over in Russia?"

ROTFL!

542 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:19:07pm

Don't zone out, this is very left wing academic pre Totalitarian planning for mass cadre mobilization to sieze control of private institutions and government institutions. It is a Regis Debray, Che, Mao type Marxism.

543 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:19:09pm
544 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:19:45pm
545 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:20:05pm

Is he caling for a draft? I am getting a wierd feeling here...

546 talon_262  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:20:21pm

If you have History Channel, they're running a 9/11 documentary, using video from pros and amateurs. Makes the pit of my stomach churn just like 7 years ago...

547 opnion  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:20:36pm

re: #496 mean Gene

Can 0bama prove there are lots of mosques involved in fighting aids?


It got so boring, I put on the baseball game. Is he really talking about Mosques on 9/11?

548 rightymouse  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:20:59pm

Oh, brother.

Obama's on a 'me' roll now.

549 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:21:00pm

WHAT A HYPOCRITE.
He's thoroughly contradicting himself on everything he says.. it's just mind blowing.

Fuck.

550 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:21:28pm

Now we get the grandfather story - guess what? Times are different now, and the 24-hour media wasn't around. Wonder how different World War II would have been with the crappy media we have now?

551 CIA Reject  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:21:33pm

So I just heard BO say that he wants to form a volunteer "Citizen's Energy Corps"...

To do what?

Run on treadmills connected to generators?...

...or be a grass roots extension of some kind of green "Thought Police" to intimidate people into living some kind of neo-primitive lifestyle?

I think I know which, and it has nothing to do with generating electricity....

552 ciaospirit  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:21:35pm

re: #481 Sharmuta

I could have worked on Wall Street, but I choose service.

Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me.

I want the names of all those companies that offered him the great jobs that claims he turned down.

553 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:21:36pm

that cling to.

554 wishing  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:22:18pm

So obama wants the DRAFT? Is that his bottom line here?

555 KibbyKat  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:22:25pm

When did Ears become such a friend of the military?

/

556 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:23:03pm

He saw the ROTC question and just said yes.

557 ciaospirit  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:23:14pm

re: #551 CIA Reject

So I just heard BO say that he wants to form a volunteer "Citizen's Energy Corps"...

To do what?

Run on treadmills connected to generators?...

...or be a grass roots extension of some kind of green "Thought Police" to intimidate people into living some kind of neo-primitive lifestyle?

I think I know which, and it has nothing to do with generating electricity....

See my 451 and you'll know exactly what he has in mind.

558 Balian1193  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:23:15pm

OMG, Obama is advocating a bigger army! WHAT A WARMONGER!

559 KibbyKat  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:23:16pm

re: #552 ciaospirit

McDonald's

560 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:23:22pm

What is the National Guard then?

561 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:25:26pm

He makes it sound like no one in this country has EVER volunteered for anything before he came along. Now he's on to the military - well guess what? I'm serving in the Civil Air Patrol - all volunteer, connected to the Air Force, handle a majority of inland search and rescue involving aviation, and it's been around since 1941. The Coast Guard has a very active volunteer auxiliary, too. The opportunities are out there, but The Messiah doesn't recognize it unless he saw it in a vision...

562 MeCurious  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:25:40pm

How does a president who never served in the Military, inspire others to serve?

563 Balian1193  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:26:17pm

You can hear a pin drop in the auditorium(military discussion). The audience collectively thinking:

The is not the Barrack Obama I once knew.

564 summergurl  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:28:32pm

I get it now!

He wants everyone to be employed by the government. Everyone works for the common good. How neighborly of him....

565 Outrider  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:29:42pm

re: #511 lobo91

Theoretically, yes, there could, but as someone else already pointed out, there's not a chance the unions would allow it.

There are many places in the USA where unions are not all powerful. Almost half of the USA (22) are Right to Work states; mostly Southern and Western states which are where most of the parks and wilderness areas would be created anyway. The urban areas in these states could also be worked on with this labor.

566 Outrider  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:30:38pm

re: #523 Cap'n DOC

Shit. I called it United Allies up-thread. It's Public Allies. My mistake.

Got it anyway in your response .

567 Outrider  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:32:35pm

re: #528 karmic_inquisitor

I like the idea and it has romantic appeal, but the govt then did not have a problem with saying "put a Dam here" or "build a road there".

Can't happen today.

Environmental Impact Reports.

And only a small set of people are qualified to do them and they take a lot of time to complete. So your "workforce" sits around.

Barry hasn't thought it through.

No, he hasn't. And you're right, it is in all likelihood an unworkable concept and impractical to implement. But, I thought it sounded like a good idea anyway. ;-)>

568 TnTx13  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:32:48pm

re: #564 summergurl

I get it now!

He wants everyone to be employed by the government. Everyone works for the common good. How neighborly of him....

You beat me to it! That's it, exactly. It goes something like this: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need..."

Well, at least we won't have to file tax returns anymore. We just get a weekly allowance from the government...

569 Pepper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:33:10pm

An honest debate....I would really enjoy a true debate.
Why is he refusing a face to face?

A civilian counterpart to the military is not the State Department, nor is it he Department of Agriculture. The military doctrine specifically has a civil affairs component which serves that need. A military action cannot espouse any post stabilization conflict of interest. He really needs to learn what the military needs and does in the "civil" aspect and more importantly why.

He would be a unwise C in C.

I agree with the ROTC on campus. It has courses that are good in teaching leadership principles, Military History and provides exposure to activities which can provide camaraderie and fun. No, you do not have to be in the military, but you can learn about it. More importantly, you can learn about the type of people who join.

570 Outrider  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:35:26pm

re: #562 MeCurious

How does a president who never served in the Military, inspire others to serve?

Aren't they called "Chickenhawks"?

571 lilliew  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:37:25pm

To make government "cool" again? Who believes this socialist crap?

572 CactusJack  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:40:07pm

this guy sounds like a communist.

573 BGOH  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:48:10pm

So, did the "technical glitch" get taken care of before the Messiah descended upon the stage? I just got back from the campaign office and only caught the very end.

574 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:48:23pm

re: #528 karmic_inquisitor

I like the idea and it has romantic appeal, but the govt then did not have a problem with saying "put a Dam here" or "build a road there".

Can't happen today.

Environmental Impact Reports.

And only a small set of people are qualified to do them and they take a lot of time to complete. So your "workforce" sits around.

Barry hasn't thought it through.

Interesting point, but this seems like a surmountable obstacle. I suspect that many of the projects on the ASCE Report Card are pretty uncontroversial, especially as many of them are repairs rather than new projects.

575 Rev. Churchmouse  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:54:58pm

re: #257 Charles

New rotating headline:
I don't want my presidential candidates hugging.

576 Pepper  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:55:08pm

Demographics of the military:
You may be surprised by what you can learn.
One from the military
[Link: 64.233.169.104...]

Heritage ..

The talking heads are giving him credit for knowing the military. They are incorrect. He has not impressed me with any familiarity in the forum discussion.

577 JustMyView  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 6:55:43pm

re: #562 MeCurious

How does a president who never served in the Military, inspire others to serve?

McCain is, I believe, the only one of this year's Republican candidates who has been in he military. Huckabee, Giuliani, Thompson, Romney. None of them have been in the military. Would they be unable to inspire people to serve too?

578 Joan  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:06:21pm

re: #424 lifeofthemind

Non military service. 2 years of indoctrination and activism, and if they need to they canset up an alternative military, like a Party SS.

The Red Guards. Zealous, righteous, ideological monsters. "Eat the Rich!"

579 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 7:56:37pm

Obama and the nutroots left would love to see the reinstatement of a draft, because it's the only thing that could get the selfish and apathetic young to actually work for them, because their own asses would then be on the line.

BTW: I voluntarily enlisted. In 1974.

580 Arkay  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:02:17pm

Has the draft become a leftist cause?>

Of course it has. It's all about making poor, stupid white redneks do what the leftists tell them to do. At minimum wage.

Pardon my French, but f--k that.

581 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:09:03pm

I flew MAC charters, both when I was newly hired, and later in Desert Storm. The difference in quality of the military personnel was stark: late '70's were often sloppy, rude. illiterate, sullen, you name it. The men and women I came in contact with a decade later going to the ME and returning were intelligent, polite, dedicated, and a pleasure, on the whole, to serve.
Puts the draft right into context for me.

582 tradewind  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:14:10pm

re: #557 ciaospirit

How many Obamaniacs does it take to travel the country screwing in those damn twisty garish-light-eco-correct light bulbs?

583 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 11, 2008 8:17:22pm

re: #377 Charles

Forcing people to serve in the military also was known as conscription, and it caused much of the rage and energy directed by young men against the Vietnam War.

Obama really is an authoritarian statist. His paramilitary government employees are reminiscent of the commissars used by the Communist Party to maintain social order in the Soviet Union. Anyone who doesn't understand the similarities is asking for trouble.

584 Syrah  Fri, Sep 12, 2008 12:03:36am
UPDATE at 9/11/08 6:05:58 pm:

Interesting; Obama’s faulting Bush for not pushing national service after 9/11, and instead telling Americans to “shop.” But unless I’m mistaken, one of the most polarizing, dangerous, and destabilizing issues during the Vietnam War was the draft.

Also known as: national service.

Has the draft become a leftist cause?

It depends on who is compelled to serve in the draft and who is served by the draft.

Barack Obama: Call to Service in Colorado Springs, CO - July 2nd, 2008.

(From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.)


For the Left, "service" to the community, AKA the "state", is a sacrament.
Selling service to the community is what a Community Organizer does.

585 CommonSense  Fri, Sep 12, 2008 3:22:42am

Charles

To answer your question, yes the draft has become a leftist cause.

[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

There is a new bill to be debated to put the draft into effect but I can't find it, I heard it mentioned on Quinn and Rose Pittsburgh's news talk.
[Link: warroom.com...]

The skinny was that it is easier for Democrats to gain support to oppose a war with drafted soldiers than those that chose to serve which you pointed out in Vietnam.

586 CommonSense  Fri, Sep 12, 2008 3:42:02am

re: #585 CommonSense

Found it.

[Link: polidics.com...]

587 vagabond trader  Fri, Sep 12, 2008 5:48:30am

re: #586 CommonSense

This is true. A liberal friend revealed the very tactic when we got into a heated discussion a couple of weeks ago.Yes, the extreme left actually WANT a draft in order to foment and consolidate hatred of country.btw, judging by her calculated action of sending her son to college in Canada, this is a sample of what the elitist mob will do to protect their own.The bitter commoners will serve to be used as cannon fodder. More twisted Marxist bs.

588 tyree  Fri, Sep 12, 2008 7:23:54am

"Has the draft become a leftist cause?"

Yes. Next Question?

589 lurking faith  Fri, Sep 12, 2008 7:25:03am

BH0 can take his mandatory government service and move to Cuba, or North Korea, or some other socialist/communist paradise.

I am a free citizen, not a slave, and the government exists to serve US, the people, not vice versa.

590 CommonSense  Fri, Sep 12, 2008 7:53:19am

re: #589 lurking faith

That is the disconnect with the Democrats and social programs.

591 gonecamping  Fri, Sep 12, 2008 8:11:38am

re: #26 NoSubmission

We will need an uh-o-meter for Obama.

Perhaps a name change is due...

UhBama

592 gonecamping  Fri, Sep 12, 2008 8:13:56am

re: #589 lurking faith

BH0 can take his mandatory government service and move to Cuba, or North Korea, or some other socialist/communist paradise.

I am a free citizen, not a slave, and the government exists to serve US, the people, not vice versa.

JFK: Ask not what your Country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country.

Obama: Ask not what your Country can do for you, but what you will do for ME


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