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ABC News Hid Important Parts of Palin Interview

Politics | Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:08:07 am PDT

It won’t come as a surprise to LGF readers, but Charlie Gibson’s interview with Sarah Palin was heavily edited by ABC News to make Palin appear more hawkish and less knowledgeable. Mark Levin has the complete transcript, and what ABC News tried to pull here is a textbook example of media malfeasance: Gibson Interview.

Also see: ABC News Edited Out Key Parts of Sarah Palin Interview.

The interview was so egregiously biased, even UPI is calling out ABC News for their blatant double standards: ABC’s Gibson grilled Palin hard, but it may backfire.

The double-standard Gibson applied to Palin, compared with the uncritical media platforms repeatedly offered to Obama, who has had zero executive experience running anything, was especially striking. ABC and Gibson focused on Palin as if she were running right now for the presidency rather than the vice presidency. He and other media pundits, by contrast, have never asked the Democratic vice presidential nominee, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, if he has ever had to make a decision on anything.

Gibson’s aggressive approach appeared to take Palin by surprise: He was clearly attempting to put her on point by presenting her as having extreme religious views. This again, however, appears to be a double-standard, as Palin grew up in the Assemblies of God, one of the largest Christian denominations in America with 16 million members, and is now a member of the Wasilla Bible Church. Even now, Obama has yet to receive any comparable grilling on his 20-year attendance in the congregation of the notoriously racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

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1 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:09:44am

"Because Obama and Wright didn't have that deep of a relationship over the last 20 years, and besides which he could easily 'understand' where all this hatred was coming from...not that he'd approve it but you get the idea. Now Hagee...don't get me started."

/standard excuse...

2 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:10:43am

abc did a hit job on my daughter a few years ago on gma. ole charlie had to appologize on air to her two days later.
they edited the interview to suit their agenda.

3 pianobuff  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:10:57am

Any bets on who on the alphabet network Sunday forums will point this out?

George Will maybe?

Hope Monica Crowley is on....

4 Opinionated  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:11:51am

I wonder how Republicans would do in elections if they only had to run against Democrats and not the Democrats/media tag team?

5 kynna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:12:04am

Charles, is there anything you can make throb in this scenario?

6 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:12:15am

It's goinna' bite, 'em. Hard.

She looks much, much sharper with those parts included.

7 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:12:36am

ABC, the new CBS.

8 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:12:43am

re: #3 pianobuff

Any bets on who on the alphabet network Sunday forums will point this out?

George Will maybe?

Hope Monica Crowley is on....

Not Will, cuz he's also on ABC.

Probably Olberman.

/sometimes I just crack myself up

9 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:12:51am

posted this last night but applies here:

Evidence Gibson Was Prejudiced Against Palin: Comparison of Palin and Obama Interviews
I compared Charles Gibson’s interview of Palin with his interview of Obama and there is much evidence that Gibson was prejudiced against Palin. He interviewed Obama right after he became the presumptive presidential nominee and he interviewed Palin shortly after she became the vice presidential nominee. So the situation of the interviews is similar. And because the situation of the interviews is similar Gibson’s extreme prejudice against Palin is very obvious.

For example, Gibson asked Obama a lot of questions focused on the positive aspects of Obama being a champion and breaking a glass ceiling for African Americans. Yet he didn’t ask Palin about her potential of breaking the infamous glass ceiling and the benefits that would create for women who are a much larger percentage of the U.S. population than African Americans.

Read the rest here.

10 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:05am

re: #5 kynna

Charles, is there anything you can make throb in this scenario?

...besides my head...

11 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:25am

we are witnessing the death throes of the msm at their own hands.

12 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:38am

re: #3 pianobuff
Chris Wallace and Charles Krauthammer, Britt Hume. Don't expect Stephie, or Meet the Depressed to point this travesty out though.

13 Clubsec  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:54am

The ObamUH and the MSM think things like '... clinging to their guns and religion ... .' Is a bad thing.
I do know this, both ObamUH and Slo-Joe are gun grabbing scheistkoffs.

14 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:58am

re: #9 newsjunkie_ky

There was this stat that said that women make up 51% of the American population...

15 Reno911  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:14:21am

Another news outlet I will never patronize again.

16 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:14:37am

I hope that dipshit enjoyed his final interview with Vice President Palin.

What a worm.

17 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:15:09am

re: #5 kynna

Charles, is there anything you can make throb in this scenario?

Perhaps a pic of Gibson questioning Sarah like a stern schoolmaster, intercut with one of Gibson fellating Obama ...

I'm apologize in advance for the keyboards and monitors ruined by projectile vomit ...

18 scalleywag  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:15:12am

Seems like a contest...which outlet can do the most damage to the republican candidate. ABC is moving in on NBC, the reigning champ!

19 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:15:34am

re: #12 pingjockey

Chris Wallace and Charles Krauthammer, Britt Hume. Don't expect Stephie, or Meet the Depressed to point this travesty out though.

Well, judging from some of the Sunday line-ups, the surrogates may be bringing it up, which would be a start.

20 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:15:47am

re: #18 scalleywag

re: #11 nyc redneck

I can only hope that Obama doesn't win then. That'll open the memory hole straight to hell.

21 seekeroftruth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:16:08am

1) Thank you for posting this Charles.
2) Shame on ABC ! This is a disgrace to the entire MSM to treat any Vice presidential candidate in this manner.
3) And then, the big question.....will anyone in the MSM ask The Messiah, the one running for PRESIDENT, any of this questions?

22 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:16:25am

re: #17 Tigger2005

Good thing I was just about to take a shower. D:

/brb, lol

23 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:16:43am

It's so blatantly biased that even little old ladies who've voted democrat all their lives are coming out in favor of Palin and McCain... this election has the potential to be the most one sided win since the (shooting) civil war.

24 Blackacre  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:16:59am

Charlie must believe that he is star-kissed, but he's not. He botched the "Bush Doctrine" and he misrepresented the prayer quote, never mind that it's doubtful whether he understands either. Sorry, Charlie.

And kudos to Sarah'cuda for out classing him.

25 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:10am

If you get the wire services calling you out, y'all got trouble in unicorn land. The Faeries......are....coming home......to roost!

26 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:11am

re: #15 Reno911

Another news outlet I will never patronize again.


Yep, I used to watch desperate houswives but after what eva l. parker said. F*ck them. 'dh' was the only abc show I watched after dropping boston legal and grey's anatomy for their agendas.

27 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:22am

I heard the Levin show. The grilling she got as a VP candidate was appalling. You'd think she was the presidential candidate the way he was hitting at her. I still believe she held her own admirably. She should be able to dismantle Biden easily in a debate.

28 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:36am

re: #19 Pianobuff
Ya think? That'd be a hoot.

29 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:43am

Anybody know any undecideds that saw the interviews? Reaction from them?

30 Reno911  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:49am

re: #21 seekeroftruth

1) Thank you for posting this Charles.
2) Shame on ABC ! This is a disgrace to the entire MSM to treat any Vice presidential candidate in this manner.
3) And then, the big question.....will anyone in the MSM ask The Messiah, the one running for PRESIDENT, any of this questions?

To your #3.

That would be a big negatory.

31 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:54am

re: #23 anotherindyfilmguy

And THAT'S where all the white women at!

/wanted to post that in the "white women +20% for Palin" thread but that already went quiet.

32 Opinionated  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:18:12am

I just read the Levin full transcript and all I can say is WOW.

How can they be so blatant?

33 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:18:23am

re: #11 nyc redneck

we are witnessing the death throes of the msm at their own hands.

I wish they'd hurry up and die already. We've been predicting their demise for eons but they still rise from the grave every night to suck blood and eat brains. I think SS money (Soros and Saudi) is propping them up.

34 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:18:38am

The thing Sarah Palin has to do is maintain her composure regardless of how ridiculous they are.
From what I've seen, I believe she can.

35 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:18:43am

I'm not surprised ... the video was amateurishly edited ... This is right out of Stalin's play book.

36 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:19:07am

From HotAir:

Obama interview (3 months ago with Gibson):

How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

Palin interview:
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

37 ratherdashing  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:19:51am

Maybe Charlie Gibson reminded a few women of their husband's divorce attorney.

38 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:20:01am

McCain's bounce still holds.....
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows John McCain with 49% of the vote while Barack Obama attracts support from 46%. That is unchanged from yesterday and a complete reversal over the past week.
...
Sarah Palin is viewed favorably by 56%, Joe Biden by 53%.
39 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:20:06am

Given the treatment of Governor Palin over the last two weeks, this should come as no surprise. Remember, Hussein will owe them BIG-TIME if the MSM can make him president.

However, I have faith in the native intelligence of the American people, to send this empty suit back to the senate.

40 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:20:23am

re: #11 nyc redneck

we are witnessing the death throes of the msm at their own hands.

From you lips to God's ear...

41 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:20:28am

re: #37 ratherdashingMwhahaha! That's gonna leave a mark!

42 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:20:41am

the gibson/obama interview here
questions asked:
How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to win?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech
the gibson/palin interview here.
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
-Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

Notice the difference

43 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:21:02am

re: #25 pingjockey

If you get the wire services calling you out, y'all got trouble in unicorn land. The Faeries......are....coming home......to roost!

Mmmmmmm fairy meat. ;)

44 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:21:17am

re: #38 Killgore Trout
Where did they find the 53% brain dead?

45 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:21:50am

re: #42 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks for posting that. It's almost comical.

46 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:22:09am

re: #2 newsjunkie_ky

abc did a hit job on my daughter a few years ago on gma. ole charlie had to appologize on air to her two days later.
they edited the interview to suit their agenda.

they did the same thing to me. i was interviewed on tv abt. a disaster that had destroyed property in my neighborhood.
the reporter finished up his basic questions and then asked me "what will you do now?" i said,"oh, well work it out."
he frowned and asked me again, "what will you do now?" i said, "we'll figure it out."
he asked me that question 10 times. finally i said, "i don't know what you're after from me." he said, "that's fine". the interview ended and when it ran on the news that night, that devious creep had deleted the last words oof my sentence and all i said into the camera was "i don't know". and my annoyance at this buffoon read like desperation.
it was a small deception but very telling to me.

47 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:22:24am

The grilling on Palin's religious views are interesting.

I never knew there was a religious test to be President, let alone Vice President. Curious though that no one has truly questioned Obama along those lines based on his 20 year relationship with Jeremiah Wright, whose odious pontifications are hate-America spewage in their raw form.

48 seekeroftruth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:22:43am

re: #30 Reno911

To your #3.

That would be a big negatory.

I agree. It is a disgrace seeing Obama, presidential candidate, get halos and fawning, fluffy questions by the MSM, and the vice presidential candidate get her children smeared and interviews distorted by by biased MSM editing. All because of what letter they have after their name: R or D.

49 jetprop  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:22:47am

Thanks for posting, Charles.

Looks like ABC cut out the parts that make her look knowledgeable, reasonable, and Reaganesque.

/ABC=idiotarians

50 guzziguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:22:57am

The media is biased against Republicans?

Who knew?

/It's past time for some REAL confrontation.

51 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:00am

re: #43 BlueCanuck

Ewwwww!

52 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:16am

Gibson and Geraldo should switch jobs. Gibson can try to perch his glasses on the end of his nose in a 150 m.p.h. wind, and Geraldo would do a better job with the Gov. Palin interview.

It's a win-win.

53 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:20am

re: #47 lawhawk

The grilling on Palin's religious views are interesting.

I never knew there was a religious test to be President, let alone Vice President. Curious though that no one has truly questioned Obama along those lines based on his 20 year relationship with Jeremiah Wright, whose odious pontifications are hate-America spewage in their raw form.

Heh.
That would be racist ...

54 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:30am

re: #36 Pianobuff

Bais? What bias?

55 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:39am

re: #33 Tigger2005

I wish they'd hurry up and die already. We've been predicting their demise for eons but they still rise from the grave every night to suck blood and eat brains. I think SS money (Soros and Saudi) is propping them up.

everyday they get closer to their last breath.

56 jemima  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:40am

They know they can't win by playing fair/being decent so they cheat.

I used to work at ABC. I once told the producer I made a habit of praying. He said "And then what happens?" I said I felt better, more at peace. He looked at me like I was crazy. This from a guy who locked himself in his office, drank about 6 bottles of vodka and the NYFD had to come and break down the door to get him out.

Imagine the ever-present hell these people live in.

57 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:46am

re: #44 pingjockey

Biden is a non-entity. He doesn't really do or say anything that anybody pay attention to. Nobody writes about him or wants to interview him. The public just doesn't know anything about him one way or the other.

58 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:24:11am

Looks like they've swallowed hook, line and two smoking barrels...

59 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:24:12am

You could fly a lead kite in Dallas right now.

Bias? Media? Ludicrous.

/They do think we are all fools, don't they?

60 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:24:14am

re: #42 newsjunkie_ky

But he's not ready for the hard questions yet!

61 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:24:30am

After McCain/Palin are elected, I think they should just simply bypass the MSM. It's time. There are plenty of other ways to communicate with the American people.

How often did American Presidents do interviews with TASS or Pravda? It's the same thing.

Simply ban the MSM from interviews and press conferences until they can show themselves to be objective and nonpartisan by asking the same tough questions of Democratic candidiates.

62 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:24:39am

re: #26 newsjunkie_ky

Yep, I used to watch desperate houswives but after what eva l. parker said. F*ck them. 'dh' was the only abc show I watched after dropping boston legal and grey's anatomy for their agendas.

My wife is able to watch those shows even tough her political views and mine are the same. She is able to disconnect so to speak she says they are only tv shows. Needless to say she records them and watches when I am not around.
I have found that if by some miracle the bozos in hollywood come up with a good idea for a tv show , they cannot help but screw it up after a few shows by letting their political views creep into the writing.

63 cannadian club akbar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:01am

I went from hating ABC to straight up despise.

64 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:07am

re: #57 Killgore Trout

He's a vicious hack of the first water. A condescending asshole with a snarky attitude.

65 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:09am

Myself, I believe that ABC ought to be forced to air the entire interview - without interruptions. And I don't watch TV.

66 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:22am

It's become increasingly clear the the msm takes it's role as the media wing of the democratic party quite seriously- to the point where average Americans are waking up to the blatant bias to the tune of 7 out of 10. It would be nice if they would just drop the pretenses and openly state they are for 0bama and all democrats.

67 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:28am

re: #32 Opinionated

I just read the Levin full transcript and all I can say is WOW.

How can they be so blatant?

They've decided to go all out for Obama. They figure that if they win it won't matter what they look like to the public because he'll regulate their opposition out of existence.

68 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:36am

re: #47 lawhawk

As I recall my constitution, the religious test is specifically forbidden.

69 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:26:20am

re: #63 cannadian club akbar

I went from hating ABC to straight up despise.

Loathe? Revile? Abhor?

70 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:26:31am

ABC News' Web site has close to 4,000 comments so far on the interview, and people are posting the link to the NewsBusters story. The majority of the posters are ripping ABC, with some Dems mixed in, saying how Palin's either ugly, ignorant, or evil.

71 Wild Knight  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:27:15am

These fools never learn. If their notion of running an electoral campaign is to keep trying these backfiring stunts, I'll never see another Democratic president in my life. Good.

72 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:27:18am

re: #11 nyc redneck

we are witnessing the death throes of the msm at their own hands.

Suicide by angry voter.

73 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:27:39am

re: #70 Ward Cleaver
Those last 3 descriptors apply to the harpies on the view. Except Elizabeth of course.

74 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:27:53am

re: #70 Ward Cleaver

well, she's obviously not ugly; she doesn't appear to be ignorant, and the demoncraps would certainly know evil.

75 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:28:17am

re: #70 Ward Cleaver

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.

76 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:01am

re: #75 laZardo
Shhhhh.....There's a mole.

77 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:05am

re: #65 Cap'n DOC

Myself, I believe that ABC ought to be forced to air the entire interview - without interruptions. And I don't watch TV.

Thats what I was thinking too. Though I wonder if it will get the same time slot?

78 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:14am

re: #75 laZardo


i believe it was posted on the web.

79 shiek al beif salami  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:15am

Off topic:

"US Marine Corps: Organizing communities around the world since 1775."

80 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:18am

re: #75 laZardo

Somebody with integrity?

81 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:29am

re: #75 laZardo

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.

Someone who still believes in real journalism at ABC, and is sick at the hatchet job.

82 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:54am

re: #62 kcladderman

My wife is able to watch those shows even tough her political views and mine are the same. She is able to disconnect so to speak she says they are only tv shows. Needless to say she records them and watches when I am not around.
I have found that if by some miracle the bozos in hollywood come up with a good idea for a tv show , they cannot help but screw it up after a few shows by letting their political views creep into the writing.

Yeah, the "Law & Order" shows were terrible for that.

I've seen some of it in the CSI shows as well, although I haven't watched them for a while. I wonder if Gary Sinise fights to keep political crap out of the CSI:NY scripts.

83 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:30:10am

re: #75 laZardo

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.

No one's going to hurt you here, because that is a good question. I don't want to know the answer though, it might expose a mole inside ABC.

84 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:30:30am

my husband, who doesn't really follow politics, watched the interview and said gibson was an arrogant prick. that just based on how he treated a woman.
(any woman, not just sarah specifically)

85 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:30:36am

re: #77 kcladderman

PRIME.TIME. Whatever that is. Preempt their Fall BlockbusterBullshit for all I care.

86 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:30:46am

re: #46 nyc redneck

Good Gawd, what a buffoon.
I have not trusted the media to tell the story correctly for over 30 years. I worked in it, my ex wrote for two MAJOR US papers and I saw the distortions, recuts, edits, and out and out lies the media do to support their agenda.
Never (when I have know ahead of time what the REAL story was) have the media ever gotten the story right.

87 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:30:47am

Well I gotta say that the only real surprise here is the UPI - and you know how bad ABC had to be for UPI to call 'em on it.

88 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:06am

re: #82 Tigger2005

I watched a CSI Vegas re-run...the victim in that episode got killed for threatening to reveal that a Pulitzer-winning photograph was really fauxtography.

89 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:11am

Who SHOULD she have given the interview?

Charlie Rose, clearly, best interviewer on TV.

Brit Hume.

George Will?

What's the name of that long-time CBS reporter, Greek woman, gets a weekend gig now and then, always liked her, blanking on her name now, Andrea (?) K*?

Even George Stephanopoulos would have been fairer and less blatent than Gibson.

This really sucked.

If McCain wins, I hope he uses eminent domain to seize Disney World and convert it to military use (Disney owns ABC).

90 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:13am

re: #62 kcladderman

My wife is able to watch those shows even tough her political views and mine are the same. She is able to disconnect so to speak she says they are only tv shows. Needless to say she records them and watches when I am not around.
I have found that if by some miracle the bozos in hollywood come up with a good idea for a tv show , they cannot help but screw it up after a few shows by letting their political views creep into the writing.

Very good point, I've noticed that too. Which is why I've stopped watching most tv except for an occasional movie.

Seems kinda dumb if you thnk about it. Shooting yourself in the foot and alienating your audience because you can't help pushing your ideology on everybody.

91 mamashawna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:31am

That's one of the first things I said to my 14 year old son as we watched that interview....Who edited this? It was OBVIOUS! Not only did it jump around a lot, the audio was just slightly off from the video. At points, she was louder on audio when the scene was clipped, and it wasn't synched.

I've had some worry's this past week, and wonder if anyone else is thinking along these lines:

Obama is plummeting in the polls. The PUMAS are PISSED. The dems are whining that Obambi has to DO SOMETHING. Then, all of a sudden, we start getting little inklings of Hillary....Obambi has lunch with Bill Clinton, Joe Biden states that she might have been a better pick. Then yesterday on Rush's show, he quotes a NEW YORK TIMES article that lists all the Biden gaffes. This set off alarm bells in my head. I think they are slowly building up the notion that Biden steps down, and in steps Hillary to save the day. October surprise? Am I thinking too much here?
Is Obambi's ego too much to accept Hillary, or will his desire to win overstep his ego? Would it work? Would the public see this as weakness, or see it as a 'wise' admission of a mistake and willingness to correct his errors?

Random thoughts for a Saturday morning in the great northwest. Now I's gots to go get some baby back ribs going....

92 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:41am

re: #87 realwest

REAL. I replied.

93 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:49am

Watching the KHOU-11 live feed again on one of our local HD secondary channels (8.2), showing the windows blown out of skycrapers in downtown Houston. Not all, just where tall buildings are close together (wind tunnel effect). Waiting for the rain to get here in the Dallas area.

94 legalpad  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:54am

Didn't the ABC morons know they would be found out? How can they be that stupid?

95 blue sky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:32:30am

There will be a new video out, hosted by Sarah Palin.

She was inspired after seeing this undercover glimpse of Barry's war room.

96 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:32:59am

re: #75 laZardo

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.

Maybe it was leaked by somebody at ABC? Somebody who didn't like how she was treated.

97 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:05am

re: #74 dave in NC

well, she's obviously not ugly; she doesn't appear to be ignorant, and the demoncraps would certainly know evil.

Nope! It's all relative. Good and evil are the same.

98 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:16am

re: #90 vapig

Very good point, I've noticed that too. Which is why I've stopped watching most tv except for an occasional movie.

Seems kinda dumb if you thnk about it. Shooting yourself in the foot and alienating your audience because you can't help pushing your ideology on everybody.

If you want some good stuff, Tom Selleck in the last few years has produced some Western movies, and the Jessie Stone police dramas. All very good stuff.

99 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:18am

re: #94 legalpad

Didn't the ABC morons know they would be found out? How can they be that stupid?

They hope the initial reaction will outweigh the backlash.

100 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:46am

re: #72 The Other Les
Yep. I predict that a McCain/Palin win - big enough in both electoral and popular vote to avoid any cries of stolen elections, will be the absolute death knell of the MSM.

101 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:51am

It's fascinating that suddenly the role of the Vice President is supposed to be highly versed in foreign affairs when the only Constitutional role of the Vice President is to preside over the Senate and cast a vote in the case of a tie.

Suddenly, it's incumbent on Vice Presidential candidates to be versed in foreign affairs when former Presidential candidates from Gubernatorial backgrounds had likewise not met heads of state.

In other words- the msm is moving the goal posts here because they think it will sink Governor Palin and the McCain campaign. They are low down dirty rats, and I'm sorry for offending rats.

102 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:52am

re: #94 legalpad

Didn't the ABC morons know they would be found out? How can they be that stupid?

Being a self-appointed superior being means never having to really think about what you're doing.

103 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:34:01am

And over the selective reporting of the interview, the San Francisco newspaper runs the header, on the front page above the fold, "Palin says war with Russia possible."

104 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:34:11am

re: #88 laZardo

I watched a CSI Vegas re-run...the victim in that episode got killed for threatening to reveal that a Pulitzer-winning photograph was really fauxtography.

Wow, they've been reading LGF!

105 musicman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:34:30am

Yet another reason I REFUSE to watch anything but FOX NEWS. (Local coverage exception)

106 MARedneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:34:41am

NYT is going after McCain now, taking their cues from hard-hitting The View.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

107 kawfytawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:11am

re: #94 legalpad

Didn't the ABC morons know they would be found out? How can they be that stupid?

Because they are that arrogant

108 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:18am

Perhaps the Rs should only do live interviews from now on

109 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #62 kcladderman

My wife is able to watch those shows even tough her political views and mine are the same. She is able to disconnect so to speak she says they are only tv shows. Needless to say she records them and watches when I am not around.
I have found that if by some miracle the bozos in hollywood come up with a good idea for a tv show , they cannot help but screw it up after a few shows by letting their political views creep into the writing.

The only thing I watch on ABC is "Pushing Daisies," which is totally charming and apolitical. However, I had this problem with "Bones," which I used to enjoy despite the preposterous forensics going on. When the radical left conspiracy theorist trust fund baby started spouting off about the Bush administration, and the one religious character was depicted as a dope, I just gave up.

110 JimmyTheClaw  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:33am

breaking major train wreck in los angeles

111 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:34am

re: #82 Tigger2005

Yeah, the "Law & Order" shows were terrible for that.

I've seen some of it in the CSI shows as well, although I haven't watched them for a while. I wonder if Gary Sinise fights to keep political crap out of the CSI:NY scripts.

Yes Law and Order was by far the worst.

112 guzziguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:34am

Just another attempt to ignite the gas tank.

In 1993 an NBC reporter was fired for staging an on-air low-speed collision in which a GM vehicle's gas tank burst into flames. GM investigators using the film were able to prove that the fire was triggered manually. NBC settled with GM. Guess who then hired the liar? That's right ABC. Apparently since then he's been providing reporter inservice training for them.

MSM & ABC Too stupid to cheat correctly, but they keep on trying.

113 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:50am

re: #75 laZardo

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.


from the abc website.

114 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:51am

re: #105 musicman

Fox has its own issues, and the best recipe for finding out what's going on is to check multiple sources... aggregators of sources from all over the world...

115 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:59am

re: #103 Ojoe

And over the selective reporting of the interview, the San Francisco newspaper runs the header, on the front page above the fold, "Palin says war with Russia possible."


Scum. It is true that such a war is possible but to report it as they do makes them lower than shit.

116 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:04am

re: #108 Ojoe

Perhaps the Rs should only do live interviews from now on

That's not a bad idea.

117 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:04am

re: #98 jcm

If you want some good stuff, Tom Selleck in the last few years has produced some Western movies, and the Jessie Stone police dramas. All very good stuff.

Thanks! I'll look for them. I've pretty much been limiting myself to Hallmark Channel with some Project Runway thrown in.

118 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:07am

The NY Times IS NOT a reliable news source.

119 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:25am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

breaking major train wreck in los angeles

Um that was 4:00PM yesterday.

But the casualties list is just getting out, they're having a news conference.

120 jorline  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:28am

re: #93 Ward Cleaver

Watching the KHOU-11 live feed again on one of our local HD secondary channels (8.2), showing the windows blown out of skycrapers in downtown Houston. Not all, just where tall buildings are close together (wind tunnel effect). Waiting for the rain to get here in the Dallas area.

Sounds like you'll receive a fair amount of rain and winds, Ward...be safe!

121 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:31am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

breaking major train wreck in los angeles

Where in Los Angeles?

122 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:38am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

breaking major train wreck in los angeles

Yesterday, during the commute.
SoCal train wreck toll rises to 17, with 135 hurt

123 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:42am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

breaking major train wreck in los angeles

And at the DNC.

124 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:43am

A further example of how the left suffers from Palin Derangement Syndrome: Randi Rhodes' latest unhinged rant.

It's pretty sick, but you have to see this to believe it.

125 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:44am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw
another one?

126 ladycatnip  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:49am

#27 vapig

I heard the Levin show. The grilling she got as a VP candidate was appalling. You'd think she was the presidential candidate the way he was hitting at her. I still believe she held her own admirably. She should be able to dismantle Biden easily in a debate.

I think you're on to something here. The Gibson interview was sort of a quickie boot camp in preparation for the debates. She sailed past Gibson just fine, only making him look a misogynistic crusty old coot.

This has definitely backfired on Charlie, and educated Sarah.

127 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:49am

re: #103 Ojoe

And over the selective reporting of the interview, the San Francisco newspaper runs the header, on the front page above the fold, "Palin says war with Russia possible."

Hasn't every president since, well, Truman said that as well, if we want to be technical about it.

What these rats should be reporting is that Obama stated that his administration has ruled out the use of nuclear weapons, and that they are off the table. That's the travesty.

128 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:09am

the best move for the msm is to report the news objectively, no matter what.
the public will decide.
now they seek to manipulate and fail to remember they don't have a monopoly.
all the msm does is look bad and their deception doesn't work.
if they reported fairly, they would at least have a semblance of dignity.
at this point, people despise them.
and we are inclined to move away, on principle, from what they are selling.

129 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:29am

BRING YOUR OWN CAMERA
HOW SARAH CAN FIGHT BACK

I posted this earlier and it applies. Glenn Reynolds in the NYPost.

130 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #118 pingjockey

For that, you must go to the Weekly World News, "World's only reliable newspaper".

131 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:44am

And the good news is:

we are the death of the old media. i haven't used the moron box for probably 20 years. Yes, I'm out of it, and proud of that. get my information from the web, and avoid PMSNBC like the plague. my wife and i were talking last night about how we had no idea what people were talking about when they referenced Seinfeld, and have never seen any of the csi bull***t shows; i work with a medium sized city police department (500 sworn) and i can tell you, there are very few times any fingerprints or DNA are left at a crime scene.

132 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:56am

re: #91 mamashawna

There is no way - none - that Hillary would board the sinking ship.

133 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:57am

re: #117 vapig

Thanks! I'll look for them. I've pretty much been limiting myself to Hallmark Channel with some Project Runway thrown in.

Here's some.....
Jesse Stone: Thin Ice (2008) (TV) (post-production) (executive producer)
Jesse Stone: Sea Change (2007) (TV) (executive producer)
Jesse Stone: Death in Paradise (2006) (TV) (executive producer) (producer)
Jesse Stone: Night Passage (2006) (TV) (executive producer) (producer)
Stone Cold (2005) (TV) (executive producer)
... aka Robert B. Parker's Stone Cold (UK: complete title) (USA: complete title)
... aka Jesse Stone: Stone Cold (USA: long title)
Monte Walsh (2003) (TV) (executive producer)
Crossfire Trail (2001) (TV) (executive producer)
... aka Louis L'Amour's 'Crossfire Trail' (USA)
Last Stand at Saber River (1997) (TV) (executive producer)

134 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:38:03am

re: #91 mamashawna

Well,

Is Obambi's ego too much to accept Hillary, or will his desire to win overstep his ego? Would it work? Would the public see this as weakness, or see it as a 'wise' admission of a mistake and willingness to correct his errors?

I stand by my comment on today's DT (#474) regarding whether or not Hillary would accept second place on an Obama ticket: I think that if the wheels keep falling off Obama's truck, Hillary might be tempted to join a "losing cause" so she can pick up a lot of chips for her run in 2012. If it looks like Obama may still pull it out, I don't think she'd take second place on the ticket.

135 markx  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:38:18am

I get a mental imagine of Gibson, with his hands over his ears, going,"La-la-la-la-la ..."

This is not surprising. However, if I were running the campaign for the McCain, I would demand only live interviews. This is why conservatives can just not allow themselves to be interviewed by MSM on their terms.

136 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:38:37am

re: #116 Sharmuta

That runs into issues of its own - when saying something off the cuff can result in blowback (recall what Noonan and the other nitwit said off the air about the Palin pick).

There are pros and cons of doing in the can interviews. However, editing out key details that would show proficiency and good judgment by the politician is just flat out bias. Interviews also have dead air time and moments that don't exactly make for good tv. Some edits are essential, but the media should make the whole tape available.

137 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:38:40am

re: #124 Dianna
She really needs to be put someplace where folks can keep an eye on her. She's mad enough to do herself an injury.

138 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:38:40am

re: #122 jcm

Yesterday, during the commute.
SoCal train wreck toll rises to 17, with 135 hurt

Thanks for the link.
How awful.

139 obscured by clouds  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:39:24am

THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY.

140 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:39:28am

re: #132 Dianna

There is no way - none - that Hillary would board the sinking ship.

I agree- and it would likewise reflect so poorly on 0bama (that he can't make good, important executive decisions) that his campaign would be over. What American wants a second guesser as CiC?

141 legalpad  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:39:35am

re: #47 lawhawk

The left likes to pretend that it has already been conceded that adhering to their ideology is qualification for public office.

142 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:39:41am

re: #130 Ojoe
Ahahahahaha! Or the Enquirer.

143 Rageman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:39:45am

We GOTTA get out the vote. If these guys are at the helm and controlling the media and the congress....yikes.

144 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:16am

re: #82 Tigger2005

Yeah, the "Law & Order" shows were terrible for that.

I've seen some of it in the CSI shows as well, although I haven't watched them for a while. I wonder if Gary Sinise fights to keep political crap out of the CSI:NY scripts.

Bruckheimer is a conservative I think? Or a McCain supporter,

145 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:18am

re: #124 Dianna
Ah if it comes from that drunk Randi Rhodes, I don't have to (and don't want to) see it, thank you just the same.
These people are genuinely mentally ILL.

146 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:37am

re: #143 Rageman

We GOTTA get out the vote. If these guys are at the helm and controlling the media and the congress....yikes.

Then we need to volunteer our time to help with that effort.

147 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:39am

re: #94 legalpad

Didn't the ABC morons know they would be found out? How can they be that stupid?

HUBRIS.

148 JimmyTheClaw  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:51am

oops i just heard of it it happened last night

149 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:52am

re: #137 pingjockey
That too! LOL!
How are you doing this afternoon ping?

150 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:54am

re: #127 NC State of Mind

Hasn't every president since, well, Truman said that as well, if we want to be technical about it.

What these rats should be reporting is that Obama stated that his administration has ruled out the use of nuclear weapons, and that they are off the table. That's the travesty.

Or that he wants to invade Pakistan.

151 jorline  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:20am

re: #124 Dianna

A further example of how the left suffers from Palin Derangement Syndrome: Randi Rhodes' latest unhinged rant.

It's pretty sick, but you have to see this to believe it.

This woman has sever mental problems...where did she come up with the sleeping with teen boys? Have we reached a point in time when you can say ANYTHING you want and not be held accountable?

152 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:23am

re: #138 J.D.

Thanks for the link.
How awful.

Three-car commuter train head-on with freight at about 40mph around a curve. About 18 casualties at the scene, dozens more in critical shape. Wall to wall coverage in Los Angeles yesterday from 4:00PM through 11:00PM, they underplayed the death toll the whole time.

153 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:34am

re: #106 MARedneck

NYT is going after McCain now, taking their cues from hard-hitting The View.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Nobody reads that rag anymore?

154 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:51am

Who's surprised? Show of hands? ...anyone... anyone...

/crickets

155 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:51am

re: #101 Sharmuta

It's fascinating that suddenly the role of the Vice President is supposed to be highly versed in foreign affairs when the only Constitutional role of the Vice President is to preside over the Senate and cast a vote in the case of a tie.

Suddenly, it's incumbent on Vice Presidential candidates to be versed in foreign affairs when former Presidential candidates from Gubernatorial backgrounds had likewise not met heads of state.

In other words- the msm is moving the goal posts here because they think it will sink Governor Palin and the McCain campaign. They are low down dirty rats, and I'm sorry for offending rats.

Not only that, they keep comparing Palin to Obama. I guess they know there is no possibility to make the least comparison with Obama and McCain. Too bad for them that Palin is far more qualified than BHO—they are left to making wild unsubstantiated accusations to try to create doubt among voters.

156 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:54am

re: #106 MARedneck

From the link:

“I think the McCain folks realize if they can get this thing down in the mud, drag Obama into the mud, that’s where they have the best advantage to win,” said Matthew Dowd, who worked with many top McCain campaign advisers when he was President Bush’s chief strategist in the 2004 campaign, but who has since had a falling out with the White House. “If they stay up at 10,000 feet, they don’t.”

Ummm. Ain't that where the obamessiah started? At the Bill Ayers mudpit?

157 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:59am

The media is frantic trying to grill Palin mercilessly in the hopes she will drop out. Aint gonna happen.

It will backfire in two ways:
1. Most Americans see right through this sham.
2. It will make Sarah Palin look stronger.

158 mamashawna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:00am

re: #132 Dianna

Lord I hope so!

159 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:29am

Wait a minute. The interview I heard had every one of those bolded and underlined "excerpts" in it. We were all talking about the "exact words" comment as the interview was being broadcast.

Did anyone see an interview where those parts were edited out?

160 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:34am

re: #131 dave in NC

To be perfectly fair, I like the puzzles.

It struck me a few years ago that every show I watch with any regularity involves puzzles, and that's why I like them.

161 BrianA  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:38am

Gibson just couldn't stand the thought of being called a soft-baller by the rest of the LLLMSM. It's amazing to watch these morons throw whatever credibility they have right out the window for all to see.

162 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:41am

re: #129 J.D.

BRING YOUR OWN CAMERA
HOW SARAH CAN FIGHT BACK

I posted this earlier and it applies. Glenn Reynolds in the NYPost.


Every Republican should do that.
I agree with whoever said to bypass the msm and go directly to the people. Use the bully pulpit. Something Bush, unfortunately, did not do enough of to set his record straight.

163 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:57am

There's one thing that the demented Troofers do well. Ambush interviews that are then posted to YouTube. Somewone _really_ needs to start ambushing turds like Gibson.

"Mr. Gibson? Why did you edit your interview to change the meanings of what Gov. Palin was saying?"

"Mr. Gibson, did you know before or after the interview that your statement "Exact Words" was a lie?"

"Mr. Gibson, when are you going to stop lying to the American people?"

And watch the bastige squirm.

164 Jinx  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:44:05am

I've chatted with "insiders" and they are all so damned biased they don't realize they are. To them, their opinions are what "normal" Americans think, or should think--and that is what should terrify. They are supposed to be journalists that hold themselves to the highest ethical standards and seek truth regardless of where it is. But they aren't. They only want to justify their point of view and are doing so at any cost. Even if the public sees through their bias and is actually turning away from them.

The msm is hurting. They don't even realize why. Recently there was a poll that asked if the public thought the media was biased. It came back showing the public overwhelmingly believes the media is biased to the left. The American people are not stupid. We may do stupid things, but we are not stupid.

But back to the campaigns. I see an interesting affect with McCain using Palin as the VP. The contest has now turned into Obama vs Palin. The two "old men" have slipped off camera, so to speak. In comparison to Palin, there is very little coverage about McCain. This is a little disturbing. It shouldn't be that way. McCain should be in the forefront since he is the person running for President, not Palin. I think there are several points of interest in that alone. 1) It shows that McCain didn't hold that much attraction with Republicans. 2) Palin really ignited a tepid Republican base. 3) The Democrats and, more importantly, the left are so frightened of Palin they don't know what to do but slime and attack in such ways as to prove their hypocrisy.

At least McCain is playing it smart and appearing with Palin at every opportunity. At least he understands enough about politics to ride coattails of a rising star.

165 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:44:15am

re: #152 itellu3times

Three-car commuter train head-on with freight at about 40mph around a curve. About 18 casualties at the scene, dozens more in critical shape. Wall to wall coverage in Los Angeles yesterday from 4:00PM through 11:00PM, they underplayed the death toll the whole time.

I never saw anything about it and I was watching Ike on the news all evening, off and on.
I've had it with them all, pretty much.

166 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:44:17am

re: #149 realwest
Jes' fine RW. Laughing at the Darwin Award finalist on the msm doing hurricane reporting. Got laundry going so I can have free time for NFL tomorrow. Gorgous fall day. High into the 80s, no clouds. It's 9:42 PDT and the wife is tearing her hair out trying to make a flag drill team routine to "Iron Man". All is okay here in the Pacific Northwest. How are you and your mom doing?

167 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:44:37am

re: #151 jorline

Evidently. At least if you're on the left.

No, I don't understand why she said that. It's just...one of those really creepy pieces of projection.

168 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:44:42am

Shocka!

169 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:03am

Well time for me to get going, laundry is done and I have to get out of the house for a couple hours. See you folks all later on.

170 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:15am

Howdy.

Have we heard in from Texas lizards?

Looks pretty bad in Ike-affected areas, although it's always hard to parse through the usual media hysteria.

171 musicman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:16am

re: #114 lawhawk

Fox has its own issues, and the best recipe for finding out what's going on is to check multiple sources... aggregators of sources from all over the world...

In instances of the television viewing it is Fox, (Still fairer and balanced than another cable news network) the rest I get comes from multiple sources here on the net. As a matter of fact it started here with the infamous throbbing memo.

172 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:22am

re: #156 Cap'n DOC

From the link:

Ummm. Ain't that where the obamessiah started? At the Bill Ayers mudpit?

The Obamessiah is omnipotent and omnipresent, he is 10000 feet in the air. Calling him out on his "inaccuracies" when the MSM won't is mud slinging ...

173 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:26am

ADDENDUM to my #84 - it's not just UPI - yesterday on Fox Today, Chris Wallace really stuck it to Gibson, talking about the horrible editing, which was only cleaned up a little bit for the replay, how Gibson "had his eyeglasses at the end of his nose, looking down on Sarah Palin as if he were the headmaster of some school demanding a student justify her attendence at that school" and other comments as well.
Chris reminded me of his father from 30-40 years ago; he really ripped ABC a good one for that "interview" and said he thought Palin did a pretty good job in that interrogation, er, interview!

174 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:28am

Not even the PUMAs are buying the VP switch rumor.

175 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:50am

re: #170 Occasional Reader
FNC says 4 million plus w/o power!

176 musicman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:46:12am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

And at the DNC.

LOL!

177 mamashawna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:46:30am

re: #134 realwest

Interesting. Didn't think of that, that's why I love this site so much! And Sharmuta, thanks for your input, also. Now I feel better and can go out and get some work done in the shop. Self employed and SWAMPED with work! Another weekend working....oh well. Better than no work and no $$$!

178 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:46:34am

re: #162 newsjunkie_ky

I agree with whoever said to bypass the msm and go directly to the people. Use the bully pulpit. Something Bush, unfortunately, did not do enough of to set his record straight.


Agreed.
In his defense, he was busier than, for instance, his predecessor (I mean, strictly in a Presidential way)...but still, it would have helped.

179 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:46:44am

re: #113 newsjunkie_ky

That's the Barack Obama interview...

180 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:46:54am

re: #152 itellu3times

Three-car commuter train head-on with freight at about 40mph around a curve. About 18 casualties at the scene, dozens more in critical shape. Wall to wall coverage in Los Angeles yesterday from 4:00PM through 11:00PM, they underplayed the death toll the whole time.

They probably didn't have firm count. The firefighters would have left the confirmed dead behind to work on the injured. Also the front end was crushed they would have left difficult extractions in that section till all the injured where rescued before committing resource to heavy extractions of the dead.

181 jemima  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:05am

This whole situation is remarkable. You would struggle to remember who the VP candidates were, or VP in any administration, over the past 100 years. Who was Calvin Coolidge's VP (don't look it up). Suddenly Sarah Palin is more important to destroy than McCain. Why? Because she's obviously a future President of the United States of America. Conservatism will have a rebirth and the left will be so screwed.

182 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:14am

re: #170 Occasional Reader
Good afternoon O.R. - LGFer jorline checked in from Corpus Christi and said they had very light winds and practically no rain from Ike, but he was worried about Big Steve who, iirc, is from Houston.

183 tokyobk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:23am

The real person whose ass this bites is Biden. He goes into the VP debate in a terible position; damned if he comes out swinging, damned if he doesn't. I always thought she would kick his tired butt anyway, but now he is toast.

BTW, I also thought of the scary undead Hillary scenario but there is no way she is going to save Obama and ruin her next good shot at President.

You can see that fox smile on Bill when he says Obama is going to win by a blowout, sure you are kid, sure you are.

184 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:23am

re: #173 realwest

Real...check my #92.

185 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:32am

re: #124 Dianna

A further example of how the left suffers from Palin Derangement Syndrome: Randi Rhodes' latest unhinged rant.

It's pretty sick, but you have to see this to believe it.

Randi's drinking buddy.

186 Syrah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:35am

re: #140 Sharmuta

I agree- and it would likewise reflect so poorly on 0bama (that he can't make good, important executive decisions) that his campaign would be over. What American wants a second guesser as CiC?

I wonder if Biden is considering jumping ship. It may be that the Obama camp will have their hands full keeping him on board till the end.

187 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:48:11am
PALIN: You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote.

GIBSON: Exact words.

That was in the interview I heard. So was this.

these last couple of weeks … it has been overwhelming to me that confirmation of the message that Americans are getting sick and tired of that self-dealing and kind of that closed door, good old boy network that has been the Washington elite

So was everything else in this transcript.

188 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:48:21am

re: #164 Jinx

In comparison to Palin, there is very little coverage about McCain. This is a little disturbing. It shouldn't be that way. McCain should be in the forefront since he is the person running for President, not Palin.

Perhaps that's why the campaign has chosen to keep them together.

189 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:48:22am

Hannity will be interviewing Sarah next week.

I thought she did a great job last night.

190 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:48:48am

re: #180 jcm
Somebody is in a world of trouble. How in hell did a freightrain get on the same track as regularly sceduled commuter run? Or, how did the commuter train get put onto the freight track?

191 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:03am

re: #179 laZardo

Look upthread the Palin interview was posted.
Quit fighting it.

192 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:08am

re: #131 dave in NC

Great point on the DNA / Latent solutions. As a former detective in a same size department during the 70's and 80's we did the old fashion way. Investigation ....

PS- The first time I saw CSI I fell out of my chair laughing - When's the last time you saw a CSI command the scene and conduct the interviews.

193 kawfytawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:27am

re: #170 Occasional Reader

Howdy.

Have we heard in from Texas lizards?

Looks pretty bad in Ike-affected areas, although it's always hard to parse through the usual media hysteria.

I live in the waco area and it has started getting pretty gusty and rainy....was hoping for more rain than this since we had such a dry summer but looks like Ike is going to Paris TX instead. Actually making a tight turn at Corsicana/ We will get only the outer bands brushing by us.

194 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:31am

re: #183 tokyobk

Yeah, leftist political rule #1- never trust a Clinton.

195 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:46am

re: #180 jcm

They probably didn't have firm count. The firefighters would have left the confirmed dead behind to work on the injured. Also the front end was crushed they would have left difficult extractions in that section till all the injured where rescued before committing resource to heavy extractions of the dead.

The commuter locomotive was pushed almost entirely through the first passenger car.

You should have heard - the local TV anchors were questioning a railroad official woman spokesperson, where was the commuter engine, was it pushing or pulling, does the engine also have passenger seats? Spokesperson finally says, no seats on the engine, if you don't see it, it's because it was pushed entirely through. Silence.

196 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:51am

re: #194 Sharmuta

Yeah, leftist political rule #1- never trust a Clinton.

Everybody knows that.

197 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:50:33am

re: #190 pingjockey

Somebody is in a world of trouble. How in hell did a freightrain get on the same track as regularly sceduled commuter run? Or, how did the commuter train get put onto the freight track?

I heard that at the point of collision, there is a side track that one train is able to pull over to in order to allow another train to pass. Obviously someone was in the wrong place.

198 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:50:42am

re: #159 Lynn B.

Wait a minute. The interview I heard had every one of those bolded and underlined "excerpts" in it. We were all talking about the "exact words" comment as the interview was being broadcast.

Did anyone see an interview where those parts were edited out?

What I saw was the version that was posted here at LGF. The first bolded segment was in it, but I think the others were not.

199 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:50:57am

re: #181 jemima

This whole situation is remarkable. You would struggle to remember who the VP candidates were, or VP in any administration, over the past 100 years. Who was Calvin Coolidge's VP (don't look it up). Suddenly Sarah Palin is more important to destroy than McCain. Why? Because she's obviously a future President of the United States of America. Conservatism will have a rebirth and the left will be so screwed.

The with McCain / Palin the left is looking at the WH in (R) hands for the 16 years. What has them in an absolute panic is in those years all the liberal justices on the court will retire or die.

The courts is the lefts only real card. The lose ultimately in the public, all the major victories for the left in the last 3 decades came from the courts.

200 wildcat84  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:01am

This sort of thing worked back in the pre-internet, pre-talk radio days, because most people didn't have access to news or commentary that the networks/newspapers didn't want you to know.

The fact that the old media STILL operates as if this is the case is one reason why they are dying. It doesn't work anymore, and gets exposed 5 minutes later on the internet, yet they keep doing shit like this.

Fact of the matter is that Barak Hussein Obama is a media creation, hyped as the "messiah" after one speech in 2004, and to the old media, that's that. Which is why there is no curiosity out of the media about Rev. "wrong" Wright, and Bill Ayers.

Palin is being attacked because in a matter of hours, she shattered not a glass ceiling, but the mirror part of the smoke and mirrors that is the substance of Barak Hussein Obama. She is genine, she is real, she is intelligent, extremely articulate, attractive, and... worst of all, CONSERVATIVE.

She's being attacked viciously like no one has since the scurrilous attacks against Clarence Thomas for the same reason: She's of a "minority" group that the Democrat party justifies it's existence to "serve" with their programs, etc, and that for someone of those groups to rise to high prominence on the national stage having NOT done things their way and not believing what they preach (abortion on demand for one in this case) is to become a grave, dangerous threat to them.

Fortunately, McCain chose the right girl. She's strong enough, smart enough to persevere. They only make themselves look like weasels trying to nip at her heels.

201 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:01am

No doubt Gibson was out to get Palin, here, but I'm many of these edits seem pretty decent, considering that you really must take out something -- you can't have a forever-long interview.

And some of them, to be honest, aren't edits at all. Like this bit, listed in the transcript as a cut:


GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

I distinctly recall that quote in the interview.

At any rate, the deal is that Gibson wanted to nail Palin, and tailored his questions to try and do just that. He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.

202 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:20am

re: #192 Viking6
I get a kick out of the Miami one. CSIs running around with guns stopping criminals in their tracks.

203 wiffersnapper  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:52am

Surprise surprise ABC skews the interview. Whodathunkit?

204 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:54am

It seems quite obvious to most of the American people that Obama THINKS he is running against Palin.

The press are contributing to promoting the idea that she is running for the presidency not the vice presidency and making the primary issue her lack of "foreign policy" experience as THEY define it. That meeting and mingling with heads of state constitutes foreign policy experience!

What foreign policy experience did Bill Clinton have as Governor of Arkansas? He went to school in England? Did he ever travel overseas and meet heads of state while he was governor of Arkansas?

205 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:54am

re: #156 Cap'n DOC
Respectfully, Matthew Dowd is an asshole. McCain needs to stay above gutter politics because that's the only kind that Obama is good at.
Yes, when they have the debates, McCain should (going off topic if need be) question Obama about Ayers and Wright and the other skeleton's in his closet.
Maybe even going so far as to mention that JFK chose
LBJ as his running mate, NOT because JFK liked him, but because JFK knew that LBJ's experience and popularity with a certain segment of Democrats could help JFK win the election.

Oh yeah, can y'all say PUMA?! I knew you could!

206 mingjaiyo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:13am

I've been of the opinion that the MSM (as it is now labelled) has been steadily "slouching" towards leftist bias for about two decades. This interview has absolutely sealed that belief. The editing in this was so blatantly obvious that not even a blind person could have missed it...in fact,probably would have picked up on it near immediately what with the increased acuity of hearing most blind persons posess. I am quite pleased actually that this interview went down the way it did as the stark contrasts between twenty months of MSM coddling towards Obamessiah and three weeks worth of slash and burn against Palin have caused the scales to fall from some of even the most jaundiced eyes. Like many here,I am hearing from lifelong Dem's (most of R.I. where I live),mostly woman, infuriated with the treatment Palin is receiving. As the saying goes " perception is reality" and the perception is that Palin is being treated with gross unfairness. And the blame all seems to point to two sources...the MSM and the Obamessiah's campaign. I am so hopeful for a McCain/Palin victory in Novemeber. I live close to Brown University and am surrounded by houses/cars pasted with Obama signs. The gnasing of teeth,the wild howling,and the screams of moonbat heads exploding from utter incomprehension as to how the Obamessiah could have lost will be a moment of shadenfraude I will recall fondly for the rest of my life.

207 undhimmicratic  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:43am

I had no idea Martin Seiff was writing for UPI. He has been one of the good guys over many years in relation to Islam, Israel, etc. I am amazed to see his name there of all places--miracles never cease! AND... I am not surprised that he got it right re: Palin. Well done, Martin.

208 Godzilla  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:48am

Gibson asked Sarah Palin if Track had joined the military to do God’s work. This question was cruel, heartless, boorish, and irrelevant. Just what does Track's reasons for joining the military have to do with Sarah Palin's ability to be a VP? And to ask that question on the day she saw Track off. Disgusting.

209 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:50am

re: #190 pingjockey

Somebody is in a world of trouble. How in hell did a freightrain get on the same track as regularly sceduled commuter run? Or, how did the commuter train get put onto the freight track?

Signal failure is one possibility, a glitch in the system which would have given an incorrect signal to one of the trains.

Human error, one of the engineers missed a signal somehow and proceeded. Or a signal operator did something to send an incorrect signal.

Sabotage, someone tampered with the signals.

210 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:52am

wanna see some hurricane Ike pictures on yahoo news?

you get some messiah sprinkled in for free.

211 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:56am

If the media had any credibility at all they would conduct their interviews much like a job interview. Have all four of them come down to the studio on one day. Use the same questions for each candidate. A bipartisan panel would rate each candidate on background, communication, job history, and demonstrated accomplishments.

Show the interviews on TV unedited afterwards and let the public decide on Nov 4th.

Sick of this personality contest.

212 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:59am

re: #192 Viking6

So of course our prosecutors are having to deal with a csi effect; juries are downright upset if there's no prints or dna.

ps; ever hear a thug say, when confronted with drugs/gun in his pants, "that's not my pants?" hilarioius.

213 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:53:09am

Fox13 Houston reporter just called some front-loaders and backhoes in Galveston "bulldozers".

214 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:53:12am

I'm glad I don't watch ABC.
*pats self on back*

215 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:53:59am

re: #155 David IV of Georgia

Not only that, they keep comparing Palin to Obama. I guess they know there is no possibility to make the least comparison with Obama and McCain. Too bad for them that Palin is far more qualified than BHO—they are left to making wild unsubstantiated accusations to try to create doubt among voters.

Yes, they are in an appallingly weak stance going after the VP pick like this instead of focusing on McCain.

Clinton had how much foreign experience?
Carter?

Double standards galore.

216 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:13am

re: #166 pingjockey
We're doing just fine, thanks for asking!

217 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:17am

re: #190 pingjockey

In many parts of the country, freight and passenger traffic share lines. I know this is the case with NJ Transit on its Bergen line. How they ended up on the same track in this instance is a mystery, but it likely results from someone missing a signal or a track switch was set improperly.

218 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:35am

re: #201 Cognito

No doubt Gibson was out to get Palin, here, but I'm many of these edits seem pretty decent, considering that you really must take out something -- you can't have a forever-long interview.

And some of them, to be honest, aren't edits at all. Like this bit, listed in the transcript as a cut:


I distinctly recall that quote in the interview.

At any rate, the deal is that Gibson wanted to nail Palin, and tailored his questions to try and do just that. He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.

The video editing changed the "feel" of the interview, IMO - Palin seems jumpy, the focus on Gibson seems less so. I would like to see it unedited, to see if it is a natural conversation. My instinct says this was intentional, but I have no evidence, just gut feeling.

219 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:41am

Must run.
ABC sucks.

:-)

220 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:46am

re: #209 jcm
Does the NTSB investigate train wrecks like they do airplane accidents?

221 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:53am

WOOF - is it me or is this thread really skipping along here? I just can't really keep up!

222 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:56am

re: #186 Syrah

I wonder if Biden is considering jumping ship. It may be that the Obama camp will have their hands full keeping him on board till the end.

i'm wondering that too. i'm not convinced he won't bail.
you can feel he's not committed to the cause of 'the one'.
he's just going, half heartedly, thru the motions.

223 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:04am

re: #202 pingjockey

Yes and David Caruso's one word per minute statements. What a maroon. In all my years I do not believe that I ever saw a CSI tech (sworn) remove their weapon from their holster. Most of our techs were civilians and not permitted to be armed, really no need.

224 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:06am

re: #181 jemima

This whole situation is remarkable. You would struggle to remember who the VP candidates were, or VP in any administration, over the past 100 years. Who was Calvin Coolidge's VP (don't look it up). Suddenly Sarah Palin is more important to destroy than McCain. Why? Because she's obviously a future President of the United States of America. Conservatism will have a rebirth and the left will be so screwed.

But remember that Coolidge became president because Harding died. And Coolidge was a reformer and small government conservative who rooted out a great deal of corruption _and_ actually reduced government spending. He spent two years as governor of Mass before being nominated as Vice-President.. One his strong points was sufferage.

Interesting selection for making the value of a vice -president

225 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:10am

The reason they were so brutal is twofold. First, they desperately want their deity elected, second the media is trying to embed the idea that John McCain, as old, enfeebled, and computer dumb as he is, cannot possibly survive the inauguration festivities.

226 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:12am

re: #220 pingjockey

Yes, I believe they do.

Play nice!

227 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:15am

re: #215 Noam Chumpski


Clinton had how much foreign experience?


He received lots of international shipments at Mena International Airport

228 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:20am

re: #209 jcm

Signal failure is one possibility, a glitch in the system which would have given an incorrect signal to one of the trains.

Human error, one of the engineers missed a signal somehow and proceeded. Or a signal operator did something to send an incorrect signal.

Sabotage, someone tampered with the signals.

There are apparently several places in the stretch where the track is single, and opposing trains are scheduled to be on a siding to let the other by. Timing, signal, switch failure, - human error seems insufficient, given what we ASSUME are technical warnings and safeguards.

Software glitch, as likely as anything, betcha.

229 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:23am

re: #220 pingjockey

Does the NTSB investigate train wrecks like they do airplane accidents?

Yes

230 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:39am

re: #198 wrenchwench

What I saw was the version that was posted here at LGF. The first bolded segment was in it, but I think the others were not.

Honestly. Every word was in there. There's not one word in that transcript that I didn't hear in the interview. There have been plenty of excerpts on videos going around that leave some of it out, but it was in the original interview that I saw.

231 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:39am

re: #201 Cognito

He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama...

Explain the difference between a Softball and a Baseball.

232 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:54am

re: #220 pingjockey

Does the NTSB investigate train wrecks like they do airplane accidents?

Yep, trains have some form of black box also.

233 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:07am

re: #216 realwest
You're welcome! To stick with the msm bashing, the only time I watch the alphabets is for sports now.

234 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:22am

re: #212 dave in NC


Better one... Moron robs store, on film, bring in mother ids son as agg robber, confront suspect, show film, his response, "Thats not me that's my brother."

235 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:24am

re: #231 Cap'n DOC

Explain the difference between a Softball and a Baseball.

If you quoted more than half that sentence, you would see it.

236 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:35am

re: #230 Lynn B.

Did you watch it on TV?

237 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:38am

re: #6 jcm

It's goinna' bite, 'em. Hard.

She looks much, much sharper with those parts included.

Which is the point of the mean spirited editing. I hope many people email ABC and let them know the contempt we feel for them and their lies of omission.

Sad that they are merely shills forthe DNC

238 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:48am

re: #215 Noam Chumpski

Yes, they are in an appallingly weak stance going after the VP pick like this instead of focusing on McCain.

Clinton had how much foreign experience?
Carter?

Double standards galore.

A few people will no doubt be sucked in by this silly stance. Most people will be smart enough to see the obvious bias.

239 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:57am

re: #227 shug

He received lots of international shipments at Mena International Airport

Rhodes scholar, dope-smoking tour of Europe as a youngun.

240 sidtara  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:03am

re: #96 Ward Cleaver

I bet it was a wommin. ABC should fire all their female employees immediately. It's the only way to get their credibility back.

241 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:04am

re: #223 Viking6
That's what the better half and I thought. They're scientists, not cops!

242 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:21am

re: #235 Cognito

If you quoted more than half that sentence, you would see it.

These are pressure questions?

How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

243 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:49am

re: #228 itellu3times

There are apparently several places in the stretch where the track is single, and opposing trains are scheduled to be on a siding to let the other by. Timing, signal, switch failure, - human error seems insufficient, given what we ASSUME are technical warnings and safeguards.

Software glitch, as likely as anything, betcha.

That's the most likely, the Metrolink engineer is likely dead given the damage to that rail unit. The freight's cab looked pretty intact, those guys might have survived.

244 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:51am

re: #164 Jinx

I see an interesting affect with McCain using Palin as the VP. The contest has now turned into Obama vs Palin. The two "old men" have slipped off camera, so to speak. In comparison to Palin, there is very little coverage about McCain. This is a little disturbing. It shouldn't be that way. McCain should be in the forefront since he is the person running for President, not Palin. I think there are several points of interest in that alone. 1) It shows that McCain didn't hold that much attraction with Republicans. 2) Palin really ignited a tepid Republican base. 3) The Democrats and, more importantly, the left are so frightened of Palin they don't know what to do but slime and attack in such ways as to prove their hypocrisy.

At least McCain is playing it smart and appearing with Palin at every opportunity. At least he understands enough about politics to ride coattails of a rising star.

I've also thought about the fact that Sarah seems to be getting all the attention while McCain seems to have taken a back seat. But it's true a lot of conservitives were not thrilled with him as our candidate. He did what he had to do, bringing in a conservative to shore up the base. In that- I give him credit- it's what many of us knew he had to do. But in picking Governor Palin, he not only shored up the base, he sent the left into a tizzy, and for that, I give him even more credit.

As far as riding her coat tails- he has to do what he has to do to win this thing, and if I were him, I'd want to have her spotlight shining on me too. I think McCain is more politically astute than anyone has given him credit for in the past.

245 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:52am

re: #109 doppelganglander

Yeppers...sighs. Also, the "Bones" character was a complete tramp.

"House" seemed mostly apolitical, but the sarcastic "House" character got old and stale after a while (at least for me).

246 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:58:07am

re: #235 Cognito

You obfuscate. Cite an example of a baseball to obama akin to that thrown to Gov. Palin.

247 Paul Green  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:58:42am

Forwarded the newsbusters.org report to a colleague (a fervent Obama backer) and received the following response:

"This website is simply incorrect - I The lines they have underlined and in bold face were most certainly NOT edited out of the interview I actually heard these in the interview - not the one on 20/20 Friday night, but on an earlier segment of the ABC news Thurs. night."

Can anyone confirm or refute this?

248 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:58:54am

re: #242 celtic templar

Crap, Celtic. Let Cognito strike out, will ya?

249 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:59:09am

re: #241 pingjockey

For the most part that is correct. In the old days our CSI techs were a mix of sworn and civilian. I thinki that still holds true in most large departments.

250 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:59:22am

re: #223 Viking6
right, our csi techs are civilians; not able to carry a weapon, and have no need, since our sworn personnel secure the scene before forensics arrives (before ems, for that matter.)

251 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:59:34am

re: #153 Nevergiveup

The Obama is terrified of responding to McCain on many issues, given the sleazy, corrupt, American hating bunch he has been associated with since day one.Nitpicking is all the lightweight can manage without exposing his slimey underbelly.

252 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:59:36am

re: #227 shug

He received lots of international shipments at Mena International Airport

Queen Willamena (sp?) Mountain is nice. Has a 1500 foot cliff on one side and a park at the peak. Not very international.

253 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:59:57am

re: #234 Viking6

Better one... Moron robs store, on film, bring in mother ids son as agg robber, confront suspect, show film, his response, "Thats not me that's my brother."

Renton, WA. Feb. 3, 1990.

Guy walks around a police car into a gun shop and attempts a robbery....

Suicide IMHO.

254 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:00:04am

re: #248 Cap'n DOC

Crap, Celtic. Let Cognito strike out, will ya?

Sorry, I'm a hockey defenseman - I only know how to skate backwards and knock you on your arse :)

255 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:00:06am

re: #201 Cognito

Not at all strange, simply agenda driven.

Questions like "how does it feel to break the glass ceiling?" are not exactly "pressure".

256 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:00:50am

re: #75 laZardo

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.

I would not be surprised if the candidates insist that they be able to film the interviews themselves as they occur, such that they can rebut obnoxious editing and out-of-context responses being aired, such as the topic of this thread.

I know I would.

If that's the case, they have to release the entire transcript before the candidates can respond, to try to seem somewhat objective.

257 spudly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:00:50am

re: #242 celtic templar

These are pressure questions?

How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

The list above was paraphrased by someone on the hillaryclinton forum. Here are all the real questions:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

GIBSON: Senator, I'm curious about your feelings last night. It was an historic moment. Has it sunk in yet?

GIBSON: What'd she (wife) say?

GIBSON: Public moments are not your own. There's a million people pulling you in a million different directions, but when everybody clears out, the staff is gone, you're in your hotel room at night and you're alone -- do you say to yourself: "Son of a gun, I've done this?"

GIBSON: (inaudible) when you announced, did you truly, in your gut, think that a black man could win the nomination of a major party to be president of the United States?

GIBSON: You don't get much time to enjoy this before people immediately start talking about the vice presidency.(LAUGHTER) On what criteria and what timetable will you choose a vice president?

GIBSON: But there obviously is one name that looms over all. Hillary Clinton has already, to some extent, expressed her willingness. There are supporters putting out petitions. There is a drumbeat of pressure. There are those 18 million votes.

Is she a special case that you have to deal with before the others, or is she considered just like everybody else? How long can you let the "Hillary Clinton on the ticket" question linger?

GIBSON: Does there have to be a yes or no on the issue of Hillary Clinton before you get to the others, or can this issue linger on, because it pervades everything?

You want to move on to the general election. You want to pivot to a campaign against John McCain.

Can you do that while this question hovers over you?

GIBSON: So, you won't do -- you won't deal with her first, get that out of the way, and then either move on or not?

GIBSON: As long as that question lingers, can you get about the business of unifying the party, or does that have to be taken care of first?

GIBSON: Did she squeeze you in any way by making known her interest in the job?

GIBSON: Should you choose her, how do you handle Bill Clinton?

GIBSON: On what three issues will this campaign turn to you?

GIBSON: Do you worry that it could turn on race, age and class?

GIBSON: John McCain has issued an invitation to do a series of town meetings (inaudible). Going to do it?

GIBSON: Public financing: Going to take it or going to say no?

GIBSON: But there's a dynamic on your side, as well. You originally said you would take it.

GIBSON: That was before we saw a...

GIBSON: If you already see that money coming in, it seems to me you're saying...

GIBSON: Is the hardest part of all this behind you or ahead of you?

GIBSON: The picture of you in the paper, this morning, with your wife, watching the Clinton speech. What did you think of the Clinton speech?

She didn't exactly acknowledge your victory.

GIBSON: And finally your daughters. What did they say to you? Did they take it as a matter of course that Daddy could be nominated to be president? They never knew what older people know in terms of discrimination, although they may still feel some. What did they say about that?

GIBSON: I watched closely your countenance last night, your mien, as you stood in that hall. You didn't smile much. Has the joyfulness of this hit home yet? Do you take joy from it?

258 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:17am

re: #250 dave in NC


When I was riding a b&w we tried to always get to scene just after Fire/Rescue ... less messy :-)

259 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:19am

re: #247 Paul Green

Forwarded the newsbusters.org report to a colleague (a fervent Obama backer) and received the following response:

"This website is simply incorrect - I The lines they have underlined and in bold face were most certainly NOT edited out of the interview I actually heard these in the interview - not the one on 20/20 Friday night, but on an earlier segment of the ABC news Thurs. night."

Can anyone confirm or refute this?

That's what Lynn B. has been saying. (Scroll up.)

260 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:20am

re: #221 realwest

At least it's not an ID thread. (:

261 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:25am

Knock, knock... Cognito? Are you on the mound, or did you hit the clubhouse?

262 Syrah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:38am

re: #201 Cognito

At any rate, the deal is that Gibson wanted to nail Palin, and tailored his questions to try and do just that. He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.

It's not strange at all if Charlie Gibson is invested in an Obama victory. Charlie Gibson has only proven that he is not a Journalist, but an editorialist.

263 HippieforLife  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:46am

re: #159 Lynn B.

I did not hear the edited portions. I was very surprised this morning to see the complete transcript. I even sent a comment to ABC news.

Someone had to have known that this would be revealed. How lame to actually be caught in the act! I hope this blows up them big time.

264 tokyobk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:49am

re: #244 Sharmuta

I've also thought about the fact that Sarah seems to be getting all the attention while McCain seems to have taken a back seat. But it's true a lot of conservitives were not thrilled with him as our candidate. He did what he had to do, bringing in a conservative to shore up the base. In that- I give him credit- it's what many of us knew he had to do. But in picking Governor Palin, he not only shored up the base, he sent the left into a tizzy, and for that, I give him even more credit.

As far as riding her coat tails- he has to do what he has to do to win this thing, and if I were him, I'd want to have her spotlight shining on me too. I think McCain is more politically astute than anyone has given him credit for in the past.

When Obama was beating up the Clinton's and McCain seemed nowhere to be found, some wise Lizard here kept saying just wait, McCain is a sly old man and a wise one. I doubted it, but that Lizard was right. Half the reason why Sarah is a good pick is because she is a lighting rod.

265 guzziguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:01am

re: #201 Cognito

No doubt Gibson was out to get Palin, here, but I'm many of these edits seem pretty decent, considering that you really must take out something -- you can't have a forever-long interview.

And some of them, to be honest, aren't edits at all. Like this bit, listed in the transcript as a cut:


I distinctly recall that quote in the interview.

At any rate, the deal is that Gibson wanted to nail Palin, and tailored his questions to try and do just that. He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.

If you don't have time to run an 8 question interview, you could simply ask 4 questions and run it. No editing necessary. No opportunity for charges of bias. Well, except for the questions. To obambi, "Who makes your suits?" To McCain and any other Republican, "Do you still believe in slavery?"

266 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:19am

re: #246 Cap'n DOC

You obfuscate. Cite an example of a baseball to obama akin to that thrown to Gov. Palin.

Gibson put some tough questions to Obama, I believe, on his tax plan during the debate. Put him in a corner, if I remember correctly.

Sorry, I'm not going to hunt down video.

267 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:21am

re: #257 spudly

These questions are so Ladies' Home Journal.

ABC blows

268 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:25am

re: #246 Cap'n DOC

You obfuscate. Cite an example of a baseball to obama akin to that thrown to Gov. Palin.


Only on O'Reilly.

and even then the interview was fair

269 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:33am

re: #159 Lynn B.
I didn't see either the original interview or the replay, but Chris Wallace of Fox News said that the replay had "cleaned up" some of the worst editing he's ever seen in TV Journalism.

270 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:38am

"Son of a gun, I've done this?"

How 'bout Palin and hubris ...

Thanks spudly, this is a perfect contrast.

re: #257 spudly

The list above was paraphrased by someone on the hillaryclinton forum. Here are all the real questions:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

GIBSON: Senator, I'm curious about your feelings last night. It was an historic moment. Has it sunk in yet?

GIBSON: What'd she (wife) say?

GIBSON: Public moments are not your own. There's a million people pulling you in a million different directions, but when everybody clears out, the staff is gone, you're in your hotel room at night and you're alone -- do you say to yourself: "Son of a gun, I've done this?"

GIBSON: (inaudible) when you announced, did you truly, in your gut, think that a black man could win the nomination of a major party to be president of the United States?

GIBSON: You don't get much time to enjoy this before people immediately start talking about the vice presidency.(LAUGHTER) On what criteria and what timetable will you choose a vice president?

GIBSON: But there obviously is one name that looms over all. Hillary Clinton has already, to some extent, expressed her willingness. There are supporters putting out petitions. There is a drumbeat of pressure. There are those 18 million votes.

Is she a special case that you have to deal with before the others, or is she considered just like everybody else? How long can you let the "Hillary Clinton on the ticket" question linger?

GIBSON: Does there have to be a yes or no on the issue of Hillary Clinton before you get to the others, or can this issue linger on, because it pervades everything?

You want to move on to the general election. You want to pivot to a campaign against John McCain.

Can you do that while this question hovers over you?

GIBSON: So, you won't do -- you won't deal with her first, get that out of the way, and then either move on or not?

GIBSON: As long as that question lingers, can you get about the business of unifying the party, or does that have to be taken care of first?

GIBSON: Did she squeeze you in any way by making known her interest in the job?

GIBSON: Should you choose her, how do you handle Bill Clinton?

GIBSON: On what three issues will this campaign turn to you?

GIBSON: Do you worry that it could turn on race, age and class?

GIBSON: John McCain has issued an invitation to do a series of town meetings (inaudible). Going to do it?

GIBSON: Public financing: Going to take it or going to say no?

GIBSON: But there's a dynamic on your side, as well. You originally said you would take it.

GIBSON: That was before we saw a...

GIBSON: If you already see that money coming in, it seems to me you're saying...

GIBSON: Is the hardest part of all this behind you or ahead of you?

GIBSON: The picture of you in the paper, this morning, with your wife, watching the Clinton speech. What did you think of the Clinton speech?

She didn't exactly acknowledge your victory.

GIBSON: And finally your daughters. What did they say to you? Did they take it as a matter of course that Daddy could be nominated to be president? They never knew what older people know in terms of discrimination, although they may still feel some. What did they say about that?

GIBSON: I watched closely your countenance last night, your mien, as you stood in that hall. You didn't smile much. Has the joyfulness of this hit home yet? Do you take joy from it?

271 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:58am

re: #105 musicman

Yet another reason I REFUSE to watch anything but FOX NEWS. (Local coverage exception)

I sometimes have reruns of The Lawrence Welk Show on without the sound...

[Okay Les, you can go back to your corner.]

272 Lab Rat  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:03:01am

re: #124 Dianna

You can out lipstick on Randi Rhodes- but she's still a pig...

Just sayin'...

273 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:03:26am

Delhi in chaos after string of bomb blasts

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

What does it say when a story like this will basically go unnoticed? But let a Christian or a Jew spit on a Koran.........

274 wildcat84  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:03:26am

re: #222 nyc redneck

i'm wondering that too. i'm not convinced he won't bail.
you can feel he's not committed to the cause of 'the one'.
he's just going, half heartedly, thru the motions.

My thinking is that Friday's meeting of Obama with "Don Clintonleone" was probably about that. Despite the media focusing on destroying Palin instead of the "gaffe a day" performance of Biden, it's getting out, he looks foolish and incompetent. Barak Hussein Obama's only way out of this mess is to replace him with Hillary. If I were Hillary though, I'd tell him to go pound sand and stand by and watch him sink in the quicksand of his own making.

The reason why Barak Hussein Obama chose Biden was obvious. He's limited in who he can choose, he can't choose someone blatantly more qualified than himself. Biden fit the bill perfectly.

What I'm looking forward to are the debates. With no teleprompters, and no handlers, the Obamamessiah is going to crucify himself. And Biden has to be pissing himself every time he thinks of having to debate Palin. The moderators will try to "schoolmarm" the debates as much as possible, but they will not be able to save them from disastrous performances like the ones that destroyed Algore and Kerry.

275 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:03:31am

re: #248 Cap'n DOC

Crap, Celtic. Let Cognito strike out, will ya?

Strike out how, exactly?

I think you, apparently, wildly misperceive my take on Gibson and his Palin interview.

276 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:03:55am

re: #266 Cognito

We're not talking the debate here, we're talking the INTERVIEW, Cognito. Obfuscation is thy name.

277 BrianA  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:04am

Can you imagine the same interview with Katie Couric or any of the clowns at PMSNBC? Maybe they should have gone with Brokaw? At least he wouldn't have worn the granny glasses on the end of his condescending nose.

278 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:06am

re: #272 Lab Rat

You can out lipstick on Randi Rhodes- but she's still a pig...

Just sayin'...


and give her 14 bloody marys and she wobbles

279 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:15am

re: #268 shug

Only on O'Reilly.

and even then the interview was fair

With the attempts to grab O'Reilly's leg, was Obama begging for protection or is he in love?

280 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:26am

americans are basically fair minded people.
and fair minded people instinctively recoil at such unethical manipulative behavior.
the msm has followed a bizarre path on the road to it's own extinction.

281 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:29am

re: #253 jcm

And that is what we on the internets like to call...

282 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:31am

re: #244 Sharmuta

McCain was very shrewd with his Sarah Palin pick. Hope it pays off.

283 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:36am
284 daddyo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:49am

re: #210 shug

wanna see some hurricane Ike pictures...?


[Link: www.thecookbookstall.com...]

285 kynna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:01am

The contrast between the Obama interview and the Palin interrogation are striking. Did he interview Joe Biden? I'd like to see that. Even if it was from one of his many presidential runs.

I looked at the PUMA site and they aren't buying the rumors about Hillary joining BO. And if Biden leaves the race, for whatever reason, it will look like he was asked to get out. It will be seen as BO's decision. Or re-decision, as it were.

286 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:14am

re: #208 Godzilla

Gibson asked Sarah Palin if Track had joined the military to do God’s work. This question was cruel, heartless, boorish, and irrelevant. Just what does Track's reasons for joining the military have to do with Sarah Palin's ability to be a VP? And to ask that question on the day she saw Track off. Disgusting.

It was worse than that, IMO. He said, "But then are you sending your son on a task that is from God?" I am so sick of these libs who think our fighting men and women are children whose parents send them to war. My son joined the Navy a week before Track Palin joined the Alaska National Guard. Believe me, it was completely his decision. The only reason we knew about it in advance was because he was only 17 when he signed and he needed our permission.

287 musicman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:15am

re: #143 Rageman

We GOTTA get out the vote. If these guys are at the helm and controlling the media and the congress....yikes.

You need to watch this...

Here is the actual letter...

Beware Charismatic Men Who Preach 'Change'
Editor, Richmond Times-Dispatch, Richmond, VA - July 7, 2008

Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice. On June 30 I celebrate my independence day and on July 4 I celebrate America's. This year is special, because it marks the 40th anniversary of my independence.

On June 30, 1968, I escaped Communist Cuba and a few months later I was in the United States to stay. That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.

I've thought a lot about the anniversary this year. The election-year rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there. In the late 1950s, most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change, and they were right. So when a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive.

When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. When he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone followed. When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said "Praise the Lord." And when the young leader said, "I will be for change and I'll bring you change," everyone yelled, "Viva Fidel!"

But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner's guns went silent the people's guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education it was worth nothing. By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time the change was finally implemented Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes. You can call those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world the most fortunate Cubans. And now I'm back to the beginning of my story.

Luckily, we would never fall in America for a young leader who promised change without asking, what change? How will you carry it out? What will it cost America?

Would we?

Manuel Alvarez Jr. Sandy Hook.


288 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:15am

re: #264 tokyobk

When Obama was beating up the Clinton's and McCain seemed nowhere to be found, some wise Lizard here kept saying just wait, McCain is a sly old man and a wise one. I doubted it, but that Lizard was right. Half the reason why Sarah is a good pick is because she is a lighting rod.

I doubt it was me you're referring to, but my thoughts at that point were that Senator McCain has wanted to be President for a long time, and that he should be given a chance to show he'll fight for it. I think he's done just that in the last month from his ads to picking Sarah. At this point, until the debates, I would continue to hand the 0bama camp and msm more rope.

289 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:26am

re: #273 Nevergiveup

I suspect that Shiva hath no fury...

/and so on...

290 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:48am

re: #276 Cap'n DOC

We're not talking the debate here, we're talking the INTERVIEW, Cognito. Obfuscation is thy name.

I know 'obfuscation' is a fancy word that some people here can't seem to get enough of, but I'm curious: What is it, exactly, that I'm obfuscating?

291 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:51am

Ok I'm listening to the video that Charles posted here and most of the bolded and underlined text (so far) is in it.

But there's also some stuff in it that wasn't in what I saw. The clip of Palin speaking in her church I'm pretty sure wasn't in this interview the first time I saw it. And now that segment where he said "exact words" in now missing. I know that was there before.

What's going on?

292 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:02am

re: #275 Cognito

Strike out how, exactly?

I think you, apparently, wildly misperceive my take on Gibson and his Palin interview.

I'm still looking for the tax questions from Gibson. I think there may have been something, but can't find it. Which also highlights the preferential treatment Obama gets. Does anyone have recent Biden interviews or does anyone care?

293 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:05am

re: #278 shug

and give her 14 bloody marys and she wobbles

I bet that ain't all she'l do after 14 bloody marys?

294 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:10am

re: #186 Syrah

I wonder if Biden is considering jumping ship. It may be that the Obama camp will have their hands full keeping him on board till the end.

That would seem quite plausible - after all, he's got more experience in proper campaigning that B0 and will thus be able to read the tea-leaves better.

295 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:40am

Well, it looks like I might have to actually tune into ABC news for a few evenings to get a list of their sponsors, and compose a letter or two. Seems the best way to get at Tier II Leftists, is depleting their bank accounts.

296 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:42am

This whole election is turning the MSM into Dan Rather writ large. IMHO.

297 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:43am

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Pics of the RoP's victims in Delhi(warning graphic): Men, women and children. That's some peaceful inner struggle.

298 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:44am

re: #287 musicman
WHACK! Goes the clue bat!

299 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:46am

re: #285 kynna

Or indecision, so it will have to look cardiac or neurological

300 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:54am

re: #275 Cognito

He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.


Define the word before.

301 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:07:00am

re: #286 doppelganglander

As a Navy Vet from the 80's tell your son Thank You for carrying on the mission.

302 tokyobk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:07:06am

One of the very first HuffPo headlines, like a day after she was picked, was about how Palin would soon be dropped from the ticket.

303 kansas  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:07:56am

re: #33 Tigger2005

I wish they'd hurry up and die already. We've been predicting their demise for eons but they still rise from the grave every night to suck blood and eat brains. I think SS money (Soros and Saudi) is propping them up.

MSM and Dems. Saudi money would certainly explain why the Dems don't want us to drill for our own oil.

304 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:07:58am

re: #302 tokyobk

One of the very first HuffPo headlines, like a day after she was picked, was about how Palin would soon be dropped from the ticket.


Wishful thinking, but alas, she's our woman for the job. Sorry huffers.

305 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:08:16am

re: #300 Cap'n DOC

Define the word before.

I haven't the faintest clue, now, what you're talking about. If you don't understand the word 'before,' then there's no fruitful conversation to be had here.

If you do understand it, and are just looking to pick an e-fight, then the same applies.

306 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:08:23am

re: #291 Lynn B.

Ok I'm listening to the video that Charles posted here and most of the bolded and underlined text (so far) is in it.

But there's also some stuff in it that wasn't in what I saw. The clip of Palin speaking in her church I'm pretty sure wasn't in this interview the first time I saw it. And now that segment where he said "exact words" in now missing. I know that was there before.

What's going on?

They probably edited it in different ways for different time slots and audiences.

307 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:08:58am

re: #305 Cognito

OK specificity for you: during the primaries, post primaries, post convention? Word games are fun huh?

308 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:09:27am

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Delhi in chaos after string of bomb blasts

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Terrible toll; vile people (using the term loosely) behind it.

Gah.

309 jemima  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:09:41am

#274

How does Barry come to the people of the United States and say "I've got good news and bad news. Joe's leaving for personal reasons and the good news for all you sweeties out there, Hillary's taking his place!"? He chose Biden. Didn't he know there was a potential personal issue? Why wasn't Joe vetted more? Is Barry's judgment that bad?

He can't do this. He'll look like more of a moron than he looks today.

Monica Crowley talking about Sarah now [Link: gateway.andohs.net...]

310 tokyobk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:09:44am

re: #288 Sharmuta

I doubt it was me you're referring to, but my thoughts at that point were that Senator McCain has wanted to be President for a long time, and that he should be given a chance to show he'll fight for it. I think he's done just that in the last month from his ads to picking Sarah. At this point, until the debates, I would continue to hand the 0bama camp and msm more rope.

Exactly. I am no military historian but I have read my fair share about battles, especially those in the Warring States period of Japan of the late 1500's. 90% of winning a battle is having th eproper estimate of your enemy's true condition; not the hype deliverded by spies or the common impression. Maybe McCain saw Obama's paper legs the whole time.

311 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:11am

re: #245 mitthrawnurdo

Yeppers...sighs. Also, the "Bones" character was a complete tramp.

"House" seemed mostly apolitical, but the sarcastic "House" character got old and stale after a while (at least for me).

I still love House. I love the episodes when his atheism is challenged by his patients' decisions. The episode in which a late-in-life pregnant woman refuses an abortion, even though going untreated might kill her, is a gem. Near the end, they have to operate on the baby in utero and that tiny little hand reaches out and grasps House's finger. Makes me cry just thinking about it.

312 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:17am

re: #290 Cognito

What is it with you? You want to start with the first question I asked and simply answer it or play hide the pokey?

313 yesandno  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:20am

Levin's underlining of phrases.....

I heard them in the interview last night. I remember her saying things like cognizant and thinking how many other politicians would have used that phrase.

They may have edited it, but the transcript on Levin's site was what I heard last night.

Maybe there have been versions supplied by third parties, or re-broadcasts that make up the difference...I am not sure.

314 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:21am

re: #296 Fat Jolly Penguin

This whole election is turning the MSM into Dan Rather writ word-processed large. IMHO.

Fixed that for ya... ;)

315 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:28am

When the media is this biased, does it violate election law? All the networks should be taken to the wood shed for their misconduct.
Its not just ABC and SeeBS, pMSNBC, NBC CNN are all reaching record lows in the political reporting department. Time for the FCC to strip licensure from them.

316 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:37am

re: #291 Lynn B.

Ok I'm listening to the video that Charles posted here and most of the bolded and underlined text (so far) is in it.

But there's also some stuff in it that wasn't in what I saw. The clip of Palin speaking in her church I'm pretty sure wasn't in this interview the first time I saw it. And now that segment where he said "exact words" in now missing. I know that was there before.

What's going on?

Yes, thank you. That's what I had hoped to point out.

317 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:45am

re: #274 wildcat84

i agree, the 'one' and biden are worried. i don't think hillary will get on board that sinking ship. what a disaster for the dems, no matter what they do at this point.
and hill and bill must be smiling that 'i told you so' smirk.
it really is incredible how this has unfolded.

318 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:51am

re: #247 Paul Green

LGF Charles posted the You Tube video that appeared to be unedited on this site.

But several of the videos that have been posted of the interview HAVE been edited. It is the internet versions that have been edited which are the one's that will be in circulation.

319 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:57am

re: #309 jemima

#274

How does Barry come to the people of the United States and say "I've got good news and bad news. Joe's leaving for personal reasons and the good news for all you sweeties out there, Hillary's taking his place!"? He chose Biden. Didn't he know there was a potential personal issue? Why wasn't Joe vetted more? Is Barry's judgment that bad?

He can't do this. He'll look like more of a moron than he looks today.

Monica Crowley talking about Sarah now [Link: gateway.andohs.net...]

You forget, the MSM will be there to change the diaper. "It took courage for Obama to put his country first ... blah blah blah..."

I would not be surprised, though I lost a bet about the announcement on Friday.

320 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:08am

re: #281 laZardo

And that is what we on the internets like to call...

OUCH!

321 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:30am

re: #139 obscured by clouds

THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY.

The Media is part of the overall problem.

The basic problem is that some people, whom I call the Self-Appointed Superior Beings, feel (and certainly not think) that they are entitled to treat those that they deem to be lesser beings (us) as livestock or tools for their own use.

They cannot be reasoned or argued with, only isolated, driven off, or destroyed.

322 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:33am

None of it really matters. Palin did fine in the interview - even if Gibson was a jerk.

It's not like she blurted out someone else would have been a better pick.

323 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:33am

re: #294 yma o hyd

That would seem quite plausible - after all, he's got more experience in proper campaigning that B0 and will thus be able to read the tea-leaves better.

That could be. But at this late date, I think he's stuck on the ticket. Hillary is not going to save him- even the PUMAs are saying people would see it for the desperation move that it would be. Who else could replace biden? Who would want that spot if the vp candidate himself didn't want it? It just reflects too poorly on 0bama that he can't make good decisions. I agree with Syrah- they will likely be struggling to keep biden on the team. If word leaks out that this is going on- it will have bad repercussions for 0bama.

324 Happy Fun Ball  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:35am

re: #5 kynna

Charles, is there anything you can make throb in this scenario?

Here you go.

325 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:50am

re: #306 christheprofessor

They probably edited it in different ways for different time slots and audiences.

Editing leaves lots of room for error, deception and the appearance of deception. Multiple "versions" merely highlight this. If ABC did not have time to air the entire interview they should have cut entire questions, not sliced up Palin's replies.

326 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:58am

re: #314 christheprofessor
LOL! Well done! How are ya today CtP?

327 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:12:09am

re: #324 Happy Fun Ball

Here you go.

Nice work!

328 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:08am

re: #305 Cognito

You fuckin' nitwit. Gibson threw zero strikes at obama. That's all he threw at Gov. Palin. - and must of those were high and tight. You want to insinuate that Gibson was fair? Find yourself a pitching machine. Or erect a strawman. Whatever.

329 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:10am

re: #325 SpartanWoman

Editing leaves lots of room for error, deception and the appearance of deception. Multiple "versions" merely highlight this. If ABC did not have time to air the entire interview they should have cut entire questions, not sliced up Palin's replies.

And it gives them cover if they say they edited for different time slots ... I ain't falling for it.

330 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:22am

re: #230 Lynn B.

Were you on the East Coast or the West Coast - because apparently ABC carried two versions - "fixing" issues from the East Coast feed.

331 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:22am

re: #321 The Other Les

The Media is part of the overall problem.

The basic problem is that some people, whom I call the Self-Appointed Superior Beings, feel (and certainly not think) that they are entitled to treat those that they deem to be lesser beings (us) as livestock or tools for their own use.

They cannot be reasoned or argued with, only isolated, driven off, or destroyed.

The media instead of being the conveyors of facts and information, have become the self appointed arbiters of the truth.

332 jemima  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:26am

#319

Have you noticed the bucket the MSM is using to carry Barry's water, has a hole in it?

333 DaddyO  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:34am

re: #5 kynna

Charles, is there anything you can make throb in this scenario?


Well this definitely makes a point

334 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:51am

re: #312 Cap'n DOC

What is it with you? You want to start with the first question I asked and simply answer it or play hide the pokey?

Cognito is to your brain as slim whitman music is to a martian

335 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:57am

re: #211 Racer X

That's a rational idea. It'll never fly.

336 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:59am

re: #322 Racer X

None of it really matters. Palin did fine in the interview - even if Gibson was a jerk.

It's not like she blurted out someone else would have been a better pick.

I think she did... okay. Just okay. I was surprised at how nervous she seemed at times, compared to the poise we've seen before.

But, yeah, at least she didn't say "Romney would be a better choice"!

337 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:14:19am

re: #314 christheprofessor

Fixed that for ya... ;)

Ah, of course. Thank'ee much.

338 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:14:20am

re: #312 Cap'n DOC

What is it with you? You want to start with the first question I asked and simply answer it or play hide the pokey?

Cap'n, let me make something clear: You're apparently under the mistaken impression that I owe you something, particularly answers to a string of random and frequently nonsensical questions.

I said what I had to say in No. 201. Agree or disagree. Up to you.

339 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:14:22am

re: #334 shug

Heh!

340 Syrah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:14:24am

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Delhi in chaos after string of bomb blasts

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

What does it say when a story like this will basically go unnoticed? But let a Christian or a Jew spit on a Koran.........

ROP again. So common place that it has become a "dog bites man" story. Everyday, somewhere, . . .

341 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:15:09am

re: #325 SpartanWoman
Ah but you see, you're assuming that ABC wanted to do some honest journalism. What they really wanted was a long enough interview, with camera angles and glasses on the end of Gibson's nose as if he were a headmaster asking Palin to justify being in his school, so that they COULD cut it and edit it for various different markets.
Hell, as I said above, even Chris Wallace of Fox News was punishiing in his treatment of ABC and Gibson and they way the interview was edited.

342 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:15:11am
343 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:15:12am

re: #333 DaddyO

Well this definitely makes a point

Ahhhhhh, ahhhh, ohmyg-dthatHURTS!

344 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:15:25am

re: #156 Cap'n DOC

From the link:

Ummm. Ain't that where the obamessiah started? At the Bill Ayers mudpit?

The A4D Skyhawk that JSM used to fly is what some folks in the aviation business call a mud mover.

Bwahahahahaha!

345 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:15:33am

re: #325 SpartanWoman

Editing leaves lots of room for error, deception and the appearance of deception. Multiple "versions" merely highlight this. If ABC did not have time to air the entire interview they should have cut entire questions, not sliced up Palin's replies.

I agree completely. Hell, when they edit movies for network broadcast, they note at the beginning, "Edited for time and content" or some such. I would think that news organizations should be at least held to that standard.

/you didn't think I was defending the editing, did you?

346 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16:03am

re: #306 christheprofessor

They probably edited it in different ways for different time slots and audiences.

You know, I was just thinking the same thing. But since most (definitely not all) of the language Levin claims was edited out is there on the video Charles posted, we might want to be careful about claiming they tried to hide it.

Anyway, again, the version of the interview I saw had all of the "edited" footage in it, as far as I can recall. This line, especially, made a big impression on me at the time...

And I do believe, though, that this war against extreme Islamic terrorists is the right thing. It’s an unfortunate thing, because war is hell and I hate war

347 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16:21am

This kid is real lucky.

348 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16:45am

re: #322 Racer X

None of it really matters. Palin did fine in the interview - even if Gibson was a jerk.

It's not like she blurted out someone else would have been a better pick.

But it does matter. The MSM is complicit again and again. It's Orwellian, Stalinistic, Clockwork Orangey, whatever. It is a form of mind control. You get 10 minutes or however long in my head for this interview. Don't watch? Sure, but we are interested in Palin ...

/am I paranoid if people are really out to get me?

349 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16:46am

re: #324 Happy Fun Ball

Heh.

350 kawfytawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16:46am

re: #291 Lynn B.

could it be that would aired on TV is not what is being aired in online videos?

351 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:08am

re: #326 realwest

LOL! Well done! How are ya today CtP?

Thanks, I'm well, and you?

/fixin' to* head out on the motorcycle in a bit...

*not sure you've been in NC long enough yet to know that "fixin' to" means "I'm getting ready to".... ;)

352 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:14am

re: #230 Lynn B.

Are you on the West Coast? I ask, because they changed the editing at speed, because the reactions on the East Coast were so negative.

353 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:15am

Hillary will not be on the One's ticket this year. She can sit back, watch as his campaign hits an iceberg, and then sinks. Why would she jump on that?
She can then tell the dems in '12, 'see, I told you.'

354 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:16am

re: #338 Cognito

Heh. I rest my case. Ya struck out.

355 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:34am
356 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:36am

re: #347 Racer X

Yeah. So they charge the father? WTF is up with that?

357 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:42am

re: #345 christheprofessor

Of course not.

358 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:05am

re: #347 Racer X

This kid is real lucky.

Well he was getting lucky until dad showed up.

359 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:06am

re: #344 The Other Les

The A4D Skyhawk that JSM used to fly is what some folks in the aviation business call a mud mover.

Bwahahahahaha!

Heinemann's Hot Rod

360 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:08am

Taranto has a good analysis of the interview.

Palin was right, as we noted Tuesday. Although she had spoken the words Gibson attributed to her, his rendition of the quote was a dowdification. He took the words out of context to make a prayer that "the task is from God" appear to be an assertion that it is.

This misleading quotation might have been an error rather than a deliberate deception, and it did not originate with Gibson. Our Tuesday item noted that CNN had misrepresented Palin's words on Monday, and on Sept. 4 "AllahPundit" pointed to an Associated Press dispatch from the previous day that might have been the origin of the falsehood.

Yesterday the Associated Press, in reporting on the interview, relied on its own inaccurate reporting of a week earlier in claiming that Palin had "contradicted an assertion she made at her former church that 'our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.' " This claim disappeared from later versions of the AP dispatch, although we haven't found any evidence that the wire service issued a correction.

ABC seems to have realized its mistake as well. The version of the interview that aired on ABC's "World News" last night (video here) edited out the lines in which Palin disputes the accuracy of Gibson's quote and Gibson replies, "Exact words." In their place is a YouTube clip of Palin speaking at the church. Again, as far as we know, ABC has not expressly acknowledged the error.

361 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:14am

re: #247 Paul Green

Forwarded the newsbusters.org report to a colleague (a fervent Obama backer) and received the following response:

"This website is simply incorrect - I The lines they have underlined and in bold face were most certainly NOT edited out of the interview I actually heard these in the interview - not the one on 20/20 Friday night, but on an earlier segment of the ABC news Thurs. night."

Can anyone confirm or refute this?

Yes, the website is clearly incorrect.

362 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:23am

re: #288 Sharmuta

I doubt it was me you're referring to, but my thoughts at that point were that Senator McCain has wanted to be President for a long time, and that he should be given a chance to show he'll fight for it. I think he's done just that in the last month from his ads to picking Sarah. At this point, until the debates, I would continue to hand the 0bama camp and msm more rope.

IF I read you correctly, SHAME on McCain for putting Palin out there to be a target for Obamanations agression. What kind o man is he, hiding behind a woman? Albeit one who is ultra capable of thrashing the Obamanation like the cowardly hack he is.

Have the high speed cameras ready for when she strikes back, you will needthem to capture the immage of him filling his drawers as he darts to safety under the skirts of the Koskidz.

363 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:24am

re: #347 Racer X

This kid is real lucky.

Why didn't the father know his daughter had a boyfriend?

364 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:38am

re: #346 Lynn B.

Hey, didja see my comment to you at #269 above?

365 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:46am

You know what really infuriates me about the MSM?

I'm a middle-class American, raised by middle-class, patriotic, Depression/WW2 era parents (they had me when my mom was in her late 30's and my dad was in his early 40's). My parents never pushed religion on me, although we did go to Methodist church when I was young (we stopped when my mother started working in the JCPenney catalog department to bring in some more money ... my dad ran a small truck equipment and repair business). My dad was in the 106th Infantry Division during WW2, although he was mustered out before seeing combat due to his asthma condition. I didn't go to college until after I had been working a few years, and then I went to an adult extension college part time ... a Christian college, by the way. I don't make a lot of money in my customer service job ... for a non-profit religious organization, by the way ... and can barely afford my mortgage payments and utilities and groceries since my divorce.

I have this background ... I'm no elitist by a long shot ... and I'm a conservative on practically every issue, but I'm an atheist and I accept evolution. My dad is also an atheist, something I suspected for quite a while but wasn't confirmed until after my mom died. But he's a staunch Republican conservative who listens to Rush every day.

What pisses me off about the MSM and the elitist liberals in charge of it is that they work so hard to polarize debate in this country. They attack the very American idea that people can have very different views on many issues and yet share many common values. And this has, unfortunately, contributed to a reaction on the "other" side, in which atheists in general are accused of being liberals by default, of having NO values or morals, and in which I.D. is gaining traction for inclusion in high school science programs because "atheistic evolution" is seen as part of a liberal or Left-wing plot to destroy faith and Judeo/Christian values.

Look at the fruits. Look how hard it is for us to have a thoughtful discussion about evolution/I.D. even here on LGF.

I'm not saying the MSM is entirely responsible for this state of affairs. There are people and groups on the "other side," too, who seem to delight in creating polarization and conflict where none need exist. But the MSM, although it has been shrinking, still has enormous power and influence. It COULD be a powerful agent for explaining the issues objectively and generating consensus, instead it chooses to divide us and pit us against each other.

366 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:50am

re: #354 Cap'n DOC

Heh. I rest my case. Ya struck out.

Bravo.

I'm sure your point, whatever it was, was important and well-stated.

367 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:56am

re: #317 nyc redneck

i agree, the 'one' and biden are worried. i don't think hillary will get on board that sinking ship. what a disaster for the dems, no matter what they do at this point.
and hill and bill must be smiling that 'i told you so' smirk.
it really is incredible how this has unfolded.


GMTA! lol

368 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:19:12am
369 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:19:45am

re: #301 kcladderman

Thanks so much. My husband is also a Navy vet (85-90) and our son is in fact going through the same training his dad did.

370 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:12am

re: #355 ploome hineni

no

but the blatant and rediculous nature of the MSM and individuals like Whoopie-am I gonna be a slave again-, disgust a lot of people

whooopie, whose claim to fame is 9 FUCKING ABORTIONS

/who would want to do her?

ugh

that imbecile had 9 abortions? what a bad choice for birth control.
you'd think after the first abortions, she could have figured something out.

371 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:21am

re: #330 lawhawk

Were you on the East Coast or the West Coast - because apparently ABC carried two versions - "fixing" issues from the East Coast feed.

I'm on the East Coast. Maybe they'll do us the honor of releasing one complete unedited version (not holding my breath), since in my quest to assure myself I haven't lost my mind I've now found several different versions with different parts edited out.

372 musicman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #333 DaddyO

Well this definitely makes a point

That is just too painful to watch twice!

373 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #362 JeremyR

IF I read you correctly, SHAME on McCain for putting Palin out there to be a target for Obamanations agression. What kind o man is he, hiding behind a woman? Albeit one who is ultra capable of thrashing the Obamanation like the cowardly hack he is.

Have the high speed cameras ready for when she strikes back, you will needthem to capture the immage of him filling his drawers as he darts to safety under the skirts of the Koskidz.

SHAME on McCain for masterfully playing politics? Shoot, I'd be honored to hide behind Palin ;)

374 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:31am

re: #356 pingjockey

Yeah. So they charge the father? WTF is up with that?

He has a pretty good argument in his defense. He found a naked man in his daughter's bedroom. He did not know who this person was and assumed it was an attack on his child. He chased the man away and called the police.

Kid is lucky dad did not have a gun.

375 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:41am

re: #39 dave in NC

Given the treatment of Governor Palin over the last two weeks, this should come as no surprise. Remember, Hussein will owe them BIG-TIME if the MSM can make him president.

However, I have faith in the native intelligence of the American people, to send this empty suit back to the senate.

I hope they send him back to community organizing.

376 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:54am

re: #346 Lynn B.

No disagreement...

377 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:57am

re: #366 Cognito

GAZE...

378 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:21:37am

re: #369 doppelganglander
Congrats! Has Dad filled him in on the arcane knowledge of 'sea bats', 'bucket of steam', 'mail buoys' and the like?

379 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:21:45am

re: #345 christheprofessor

I agree completely. Hell, when they edit movies for network broadcast, they note at the beginning, "Edited for time and content" or some such. I would think that news organizations should be at least held to that standard.

/you didn't think I was defending the editing, did you?

I've been arguing for years that this should be done.

And ALL articles should have footnotes. Journalism is the only "profession" that doesn't have to support their assertions with evidence.

380 HD Woman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:21:50am

Governor Palin handled Charlie very well, and I am amused by by the descriptions of "uncomfortable"... blah blah you get it.

When I watched Governor Palin, I saw the fire in her eyes that reminded me so very much of my Mom and my older sister. They are smart, quick thinking ladies that have a strength inside them that really should make fools quake in their boots, if they had that much sense. Unlike me, they are ladies that will not slap a guy like Charlie down deep into the mud he's slinging and pin his ears back. They are ladies, and they remember that, even when they are talking to close minded idiots.

She saw exactly what Charlie was trying to do. He couldn't get it done, so they edited it and released it in piece-meal so it LOOKED like he did.

I wish Algore was older, if he had invented the Internet sooner, we may never have had a President Carter, and we never would have had Americans being held hostage in Iran for 444 days.

381 kynna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:21:56am

re: #299 SpartanWoman

Or indecision, so it will have to look cardiac or neurological

I don't think they'd get away with it. Everyone would know that BO had ordered it.

And again it just goes to BO's inability to make a decent decision. Biden's had health problems for a long time. I was astonished at his choice, but to cut him loose at this point would be so obvious and would reflect so poorly on BO I don't think he'd overcome it.

The PUMAs are saying they won't vote for BO/Hillary unless she's at the top of the ticket. They are very bitter against BO (for good reason). I think it would be very bad for Hillary if she threw in with BO at this point. Her best shot is to run against Palin in 2012 without any taint of BO.

382 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:02am

re: #361 Cognito
Well I'm not sure what website your talking about, but Mark Levin is definetly correct in his piece. At least in the interview aired on the East Coast, those underlined items were NOT included in the interview.

383 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:09am
384 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:09am

re: #330 lawhawk

Were you on the East Coast or the West Coast - because apparently ABC carried two versions - "fixing" issues from the East Coast feed.

I'll bet that explains it, because I saw the East Coast feed, the one on the evening news at 7pm, and I don't recall those underlined phrases at all.

385 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:10am

re: #374 Racer X
Damn straight!

386 Syrah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:24am

re: #360 itellu3times

Palin was right, as we noted Tuesday. Although she had spoken the words Gibson attributed to her, his rendition of the quote was a dowdification. He took the words out of context to make a prayer that "the task is from God" appear to be an assertion that it is.

Ouch.

That has to hurt.

I checked her Wiki. Dowdification is listed there as well.

387 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:48am

re: #369 doppelganglander

Thanks so much. My husband is also a Navy vet (85-90) and our son is in fact going through the same training his dad did.

I was 81-85. Worked on the flight deck of the USS INDEPENDENCE .

388 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:49am

10 Days in the national spotlight and most of that she has been under intense personal attack with lies and rumors about her family and her qualifications, she did well.

Like to see Obama put under the microscope for 10 days with attacks on his wife and children, whether he is a good father and all his associations and ties and then go and do an interview.

He doesn't even seem to be able to manage to not get flustered and slip up when the interviewers are not condescending towards him and are there to "fix" it when he makes a mistake!

389 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:58am

re: #367 newsjunkie_ky

GMTA! lol

lol, i noticed your post too.

390 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:59am

re: #357 SpartanWoman

Of course not.

Cool beans...

Perhaps the MSM should be required to have an "Edited for meaning" precursor before their chopped up interviews are aired...

391 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:03am

re: #382 realwest

Well I'm not sure what website your talking about, but Mark Levin is definetly correct in his piece. At least in the interview aired on the East Coast, those underlined items were NOT included in the interview.

I dunno. They're in the interview as posted here at LGF -- pulled straight from ABC.

392 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:10am

re: #382 realwest
And, of course, UPI was correct as well.

393 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:20am

re: #362 JeremyR

I don't think that was his intent at all- but as many conservative women in the spotlight would attest, it should have been expected. If Governor Palin didn't know she was going to be trashed like this, then I would have to say that was naive on her part. I think she most likely did know and was ready for the fight.

394 JSK1121  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:30am

Anyone seen this book yet? Pretty clever methinks.

[Link: www.obamaresearch.com...]

395 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:38am

re: #323 Sharmuta

Remember what Fred Thompson said? "If I were Joe Biden, I'd get that VP thing in writing."

396 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:44am

re: #355 ploome hineni

no

but the blatant and rediculous nature of the MSM and individuals like Whoopie-am I gonna be a slave again-, disgust a lot of people

whooopie, whose claim to fame is 9 FUCKING ABORTIONS

/who would want to do her?

ugh

Nine abortions? yikes. on the plus side, she would have been an unfit mother, but still killing nine children is WRONG.

397 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:24:04am

re: #350 kawfytawk

could it be that would aired on TV is not what is being aired in online videos?

Well that's for sure. But that wouldn't be ABC doing the editing.

Just to be clear, it was really obvious that the version I saw was highly edited and cut off a number of her answers. It's just that they just weren't the same ones Levin highlighted.

398 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:24:40am

re: #382 realwest

Well I'm not sure what website your talking about, but Mark Levin is definetly correct in his piece. At least in the interview aired on the East Coast, those underlined items were NOT included in the interview.

I should be clear -- I don't know about all the bolded portions of the 'transcript,' I just cited one error that jumped out at me, and which is most certainly in the ABC show that Charles linked.

399 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:24:54am

re: #395 Dianna

Rudy was the one who made that quip in his speech.

400 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:24:59am

re: #363 MandyManners

Why didn't the father know his daughter had a boyfriend?

What sucks is that the fatehr got arrested for beating a nude brat who had no business being there and naked. The cop who did that is a loser.

401 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:25:42am

re: #395 Dianna

Remember what Fred Thompson said? "If I were Joe Biden, I'd get that VP thing in writing."

Yes- he had me laughing out loud with that crack. Maybe it's now 0bama who should get a commitment in writing from biden!

402 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:25:43am

re: #379 Noam Chumpski

I've been arguing for years that this should be done.

And ALL articles should have footnotes. Journalism is the only "profession" that doesn't have to support their assertions with evidence.

Heh. Check my #390...

403 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:26:16am

re: #399 lawhawk

Rudy was the one who made that quip in his speech.

Was it Rudy? Whoever it was cracked me up.

404 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:26:17am

re: #4 Opinionated

I wonder how Republicans would do in elections if they only had to run against Democrats and not the Democrats/media tag team?

We are about to find out.

405 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:26:18am

re: #400 JeremyR

What sucks is that the fatehr got arrested for beating a nude brat who had no business being there and naked. The cop who did that is a loser.

No, the cop who did that was upholding the law. You aren't really allowed to beat people with metal pipes because you're angry at them; the law is pretty clear on that point.

406 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:26:32am

re: #366 Cognito

I take the last one back. My point was you're shillin' for Gibson and I made it.

407 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:27:49am

re: #370 nyc redneck

that imbecile had 9 abortions? what a bad choice for birth control.
you'd think after the first abortions, she could have figured something out.

Damn, what are the odds of getting pregnant every single time one has sex?

/I've seen her pic...

408 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:27:59am

re: #405 Occasional Reader
Nude people ARE NOT allowed in daughters bedrooms in the middle of the night!

409 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:28:11am

re: #378 pingjockey

Congrats! Has Dad filled him in on the arcane knowledge of 'sea bats', 'bucket of steam', 'mail buoys' and the like?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess these are the naval equivalent of a snipe hunt. Seriously, though, it's been a revelation how much the training has changed for the better. Not to mention that our formerly slacker son is a much better student than his dad was.

410 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:28:23am

re: #400 JeremyR

Uhhh, no. The cop who did that had no choice, under the statute for assault.

remember, police enforce the law, courts adjudicate it.

411 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:28:33am

re: #393 Sharmuta

I don't think that was his intent at all- but as many conservative women in the spotlight would attest, it should have been expected. If Governor Palin didn't know she was going to be trashed like this, then I would have to say that was naive on her part. I think she most likely did know and was ready for the fight.

I'm quite sure Sarah knew quite well what she was in for. She has a history that is clear on that. She is unafraid of the powers that be. None of them scare her in the least from what I can see. I'm sure that she and McCain knew how the left would respond. The only thing to fear is undermining from within republican ranks, particularly those who are dirty and have reason to fear her.

My comment was intended to be read as tongue in cheek, at least the first part.

412 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:28:37am

Obama has to be defended by girls. "Stop picking on our little brother!" (the girls on The View from Hell).

413 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:28:52am

re: #406 Cap'n DOC

I take the last one back. My point was you're shillin' for Gibson and I made it.

No, with respect, I am not shilling for Gibson in any sense whatsoever.

You apparently only read the first half of the sentence you cited. I'll repeat the whole sentence here, for posterity's sake:

He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.

If you consider that 'shilling,' then, well -- I suppose I'll learn to live with that.

414 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:29:27am

re: #409 doppelganglander
Hahahaha! Yes they are the equal of snipe hunts, except that there are 'snipes' on ships! That is the nickname for engineers.

415 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:29:42am

re: #364 realwest

Hey, didja see my comment to you at #269 above?

I did now. (I'm also having trouble keeping up with this thread ... does it show?)

Interesting. But I can promise you that the comments Levin says were edited out were NOT edited out in the version I saw here on the East Coast. I heard 'em, I saw 'em, I discussed 'em with my husband over (a very late) dinner. Honest.

416 Conserve Liberty  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:30:04am

re: #91 mamashawna

TI think they are slowly building up the notion that Biden steps down, and in steps Hillary to save the day. October surprise? Am I thinking too much here?

Possible, but I think Obama likes living too much to want Hillary a heartbeat away.

More likely, Obama becomes "ill" or self-immolates.

417 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:30:13am

re: #405 Occasional Reader

No, the cop who did that was upholding the law. You aren't really allowed to beat people with metal pipes because you're angry at them; the law is pretty clear on that point.

Heh...

418 701c  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:30:13am

This is a chapter in journalistic history that is begging for a name.

419 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:30:27am

re: #174 Sharmuta

Not even the PUMAs are buying the VP switch rumor.

I've been reading at a few PUMA sites over the last few days, Sharm. They love Hillary, but almost all of them have said that even if she does jump aboard the Obama ticket, they will never vote for Obama. Their hatred of him is visceral, and they have been e-mailing Hillary and urging, begging her not to join the Obama ticket if Joe is dumped.

They feel their Democrat party has been hijacked, and they want it back!

420 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:31:12am

re: #408 pingjockey
Uh, "Nude people ARE NOT allowed in daughters bedrooms in the middle of the night!" are y'all sure about that?
I mean, ah, er, well, nevermind they were a looooong time ago, anway!

421 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:31:30am

Sarah's been Gibsoned!

422 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:31:33am

re: #405 Occasional Reader

No, the cop who did that was upholding the law. You aren't really allowed to beat people with metal pipes because you're angry at them; the law is pretty clear on that point.

For all he knew, the kid could have been a rapist. It sounded like it happened in the space of a few seconds.
My opinion, but if you screw my daughter down the old mill road, thats her choice provided no laws are broken. Come into my house, and its another matter.

423 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:31:46am

re: #223 Viking6

Yes and David Caruso's one word per minute statements. What a maroon. In all my years I do not believe that I ever saw a CSI tech (sworn) remove their weapon from their holster. Most of our techs were civilians and not permitted to be armed, really no need.

The CSI's in CSI:LV are civilians, but are on the force in CSI:Miami and CSI:NY, from what I recall.

I never felt these shows were anywhere close to realistic, but I love seeing them use science and logical deduction to nab the bad guys. Although I loved "X-Files," I remember Carl Sagan saying in "The Demon-Haunted World" that he really wished they would do more shows where science, logic, reason, etc. were applied to solve crimes. I think he would have liked the CSI shows.

424 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:32:03am

re: #396 JeremyR
and her daughter got pregnant at the age of 15.

425 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:32:06am

re: #408 pingjockey

Nude people ARE NOT allowed in daughters bedrooms in the middle of the night!

But you aren't allowed to simply do anything to them you want.

From the skimpy facts, it COULD be that the father had a reasonable belief that this was an attacker. But the cops generally are going to arrest someone who freely admits they swung a pipe at someone else's head. It's then up to the DA to decide whether to charge.

426 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:32:08am

re: #359 jcm

Heinemann's Hot Rod

WOW!
NICE FIND!
I had to copy and save that one ... loved the background music!

427 addison  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:32:11am

re: #363 MandyManners

Why didn't the father know his daughter had a boyfriend?

Because the daughter didn't tell him.

I fail to see, legally, how he can be charged with anything. He had no knowledge of the boyfriend, hears noises from his daughter's room, and, being a protective father, goes to the room and sees a naked stranger standing there. First thought: someone is raping my daughter.

The boy should thank the father he is still alive, as there's every possibility he could have been beaten to death as an assumed rapist.

If anyone is to blame, it's the daughter for sneaking the boy in her home and, foremost, not communicating with her father that she was seeing someone.

The unintended consequences of lack of familial communication.

428 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:32:13am

re: #408 pingjockey

Nude people ARE NOT allowed in daughters bedrooms in the middle of the night!

I'm an easy going guy.... he gets a head start.....
/ ;-P

429 mattm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:32:14am

I don't know how so may people still don't notice that the MSM is in the tank for obama.

430 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:32:29am

re: #407 christheprofessor

Well, Gaia does have special powers...

/Goldberg was the voice of "Gaia" on that propaganda cartoon bomb of the early '90s known as "Captain Planet".

431 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:32:50am

re: #410 dave in NC

Uhhh, no. The cop who did that had no choice, under the statute for assault.

remember, police enforce the law, courts adjudicate it.

In which case, lets hope the persecuter or the court are smart enough to dismiss the case.

432 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:33:10am

re: #420 realwest
Naughty, naughty!

433 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:33:38am

re: #415 Lynn B.
Well then I don't know what the UPI was bitching about then!
Of course, as I've said upthread, Chris Wallace of Fox News was really blistering in his criticism of the way ABC edited that piece for the re-run (which I think he meant the one shown on the left coast and as a re-run here on the right coast after 11:30PM that night).

434 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:34:13am

re: #419 Intrepid

I've been reading at a few PUMA sites over the last few days, Sharm. They love Hillary, but almost all of them have said that even if she does jump aboard the Obama ticket, they will never vote for Obama. Their hatred of him is visceral, and they have been e-mailing Hillary and urging, begging her not to join the Obama ticket if Joe is dumped.

They feel their Democrat party has been hijacked, and they want it back!

And it's about damn time some level headed people figured this out about the democrats. They may stick it out and fight for their party, or they might realize their party has left them and take another look at the republicans and thus come to realize that we're not so bad- in fact, we represent democratic values better than the party named after them.

435 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:34:18am

re: #405 Occasional Reader

No, the cop who did that was upholding the law. You aren't really allowed to beat people with metal pipes because you're angry at them; the law is pretty clear on that point.

A naked unkown man in my daughters bedroom would get a bullet.
It had nothing to do with being angry, he saw a potential rapist in his daughters bedroom.

There is no way he should be charged.

436 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:34:25am

re: #400 JeremyR

What sucks is that the fatehr got arrested for beating a nude brat who had no business being there and naked. The cop who did that is a loser.

Well, he took a pipe to him and that makes me think it was premeditated unless he walks around his house with a pipe in his pocket.

437 Syrah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:34:36am

re: #419 Intrepid

I've been reading at a few PUMA sites over the last few days, Sharm. They love Hillary, but almost all of them have said that even if she does jump aboard the Obama ticket, they will never vote for Obama. Their hatred of him is visceral, and they have been e-mailing Hillary and urging, begging her not to join the Obama ticket if Joe is dumped.

They feel their Democrat party has been hijacked, and they want it back!

It is bad for Obama that a switch is even being discussed in Democrat circles, much less that Hillery supporters are openly advising her not to accept if offered.

This is the kind of thing that can gyrate out of control on rumors and rumors of rumors alone.

438 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:34:51am

re: #425 Occasional Reader
If it had been my house, I'd be in big shit, cause he'd be dead.

439 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:35:17am

re: #421 dave in NC

Sarah's been Gibsoned!

gibson got 'palined'

440 HDrepub  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:35:30am

re: #419 Intrepid

I've been reading at a few PUMA sites over the last few days, Sharm. They love Hillary, but almost all of them have said that even if she does jump aboard the Obama ticket, they will never vote for Obama. Their hatred of him is visceral, and they have been e-mailing Hillary and urging, begging her not to join the Obama ticket if Joe is dumped.

They feel their Democrat party has been hijacked, and they want it back!

The Donk party has been hijacked for decades, but the yellow dogs still think it's the party of Truman, FDR, and JFK. They are slowly awakening though.

441 Brit  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:35:41am

This is the funniest thing I've seen in ages!

442 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:36:09am

re: #342 ploome hineni
HiYa Ploome!
How are you doing today?

443 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:36:11am

re: #439 nyc redneck

"Palinned?"

/still not quite sure if it's PAL- or PALE-in...

444 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:36:53am

re: #426 jwb7605

WOW!
NICE FIND!
I had to copy and save that one ... loved the background music!

For serious airplane geeks.....
M/D-21 crash video.

Description of the incident.

Cool XB-70 video.

445 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:37:12am

re: #427 addison

well, in NC, if i shoot an armed robber/attacker with my legally carried firearm, i can pretty much expect to be "detained" and transported to the station for investigative purposes.

as was pointed out previously, one can't just walk around assaulting people, whatever the reason.

446 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:37:13am

re: #431 JeremyR

In which case, lets hope the persecuter or the court are smart enough to dismiss the case.

Jury trial, if it comes to it...

447 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:37:50am

re: #391 Cognito

I dunno. They're in the interview as posted here at LGF -- pulled straight from ABC.

You're missing what people keep saying, Cog.

1) The east coast version didn't include the bolded lines; that's the one Levin is working off - and NewsBusters, too.

2) The ABC website had the "full interview" up.

3) Many youtube versions were from the east coast broadcast.

4) Charles used the website version (from youtube).

5) 1-4 are why people are confused.

Now stop being dense.

448 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:38:00am

re: #430 mitthrawnurdo

Perhaps that's it...

449 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:38:13am

re: #408 pingjockey

Nude people ARE NOT allowed in daughters bedrooms in the middle of the night!

Boy, if I had a nickle for every time I heard that!

450 guzziguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:38:30am

re: #400 JeremyR

What sucks is that the fatehr got arrested for beating a nude brat who had no business being there and naked. The cop who did that is a loser.

Dad misspoke. If he'd said, "I thought my daughter was being attacked" he could of killed the kid. Something like, "I caught the little SOB and beat the crap out of him equals jail. "I thought my daughter was being raped and I shot the SOB on sight" equals a hero dad. More satisfying too.

451 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:38:33am

re: #436 MandyManners

Well, he took a pipe to him and that makes me think it was premeditated unless he walks around his house with a pipe in his pocket.

Mandy

You hear strange noises in your daughters bedroom.
I would take a weapon also.
He didn't know who the guy was.
The guy was naked.
I would assume it was someone attacking my daughter if I had no idea she had a boyfriend.

452 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:38:34am

Whoa, this thread has well over 440 comments in less than an hour and a half, no wonder I can't keep up!
Please Charles, could we have another thread - even just an open thread?

453 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:38:39am

re: #323 Sharmuta

Yes - I think these rumours may perhaps be a sort of trial ballooons - see what the 'masses' think abaout replacing Biden ...

If he indeed throws in the towel, I cannot see Hillary replacing him. The PUMAs are already against it - it would make B0 look really foolish.

There are two scenarios - either the dems are working flat out on keeping Biden in: good-oh, and there will be leaks, thats for sure; or - they're going for another VP candidate, and that might be Pelosi, to 'get' the female vote.

Its a nice old mess for the dems, whatever they do - enjoy!

454 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:38:39am

re: #443 laZardo

"Palinned?"

/still not quite sure if it's PAL- or PALE-in...


McCain says pay-lin

455 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:39:02am

re: #449 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Boy, if I had a nickle for every time I heard that!

Was that heard while clingy to the window sill of a 2nd floor bedroom?

456 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:39:13am

re: #436 MandyManners

Well, he took a pipe to him and that makes me think it was premeditated unless he walks around his house with a pipe in his pocket.

Middle of the night, I hear a noise, I take some sort of weapon to defend myself. My son has dropped in unexpectedly several times, and I've met him with a gun in hand. Not pointed at him mind you, just at my side.
Dad was not patroling the house, something woke him up, he grabbed a weapon and went to investigate. Thats my take on it.

457 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:39:14am

re: #399 lawhawk

Ah!

I could have sworn it was Thompson! Still, a very good line.

458 Josephine  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:39:39am

re: #46 nyc redneck

A teenaged friend of ours was murdered. The local newspaper ran an article in which a girl who didn't know her said some unkind and untrue things.

I was taking journalism in college at the time. One of my teachers was on sabbatical, working at the newspaper, so I phoned him. He said, "Word on the street is that she was a street kid and was pretty much asking for it."

His callousness stunned me. I said, "She wasn't a street kid and no one deserves to be murdered."

I phoned someone else who said they would interview me. Before I left for the interview, I phoned and was told, "My editor doesn't want to run a 'he said, she said', so you should just write a letter to the editor and maybe we'll print it."

I wrote a long letter to the editor. They sent a reporter to interview me.

After my interview was published, they also printed a couple of letters to the editor in which people complained about the original article (an unsubstantiated hit piece on a dead girl).

The biased media.

Lazy reporters.

Hearse and ambulance chasers.

It really turned me off.

459 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:39:42am

re: #440 HDrepub

The Donk party has been hijacked for decades, but the yellow dogs still think it's the party of Truman, FDR, and JFK. They are slowly awakening though.

My mother was a die-hard yellow-dog Democrat but, she's not any more. My cousin in West Tennessee--Democrat strong-hold--reports many, many McCain signs, and hardly any BHO signs.

460 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:39:54am

re: #436 MandyManners

Well, he took a pipe to him and that makes me think it was premeditated unless he walks around his house with a pipe in his pocket.

I have pipe and a shotgun in my bedroom. If I hear a noise, one is within reach, preferably a shotgun. A naked man in my house? He'd be lucky if the pipe was within reach.

461 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:39:55am

re: #454 newsjunkie_ky

McCain says pay-lin

The obama campaign was imPalined with a sharp stick

462 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:40:07am

Excellent good find from the person who submitted it
........from a link in the link viewer on LGF ==

==published in Telegraph UK News meaning only internet users will see it!

QUOTE:

A senior aide to one of the most powerful Democrats in the House of Representatives voiced the fears of many: "Palin doesn't just play to the Republican base. She has much broader appeal."

463 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:40:30am

re: #451 Typicalwhitey

Mandy

You hear strange noises in your daughters bedroom.
I would take a weapon also.
He didn't know who the guy was.
The guy was naked.
I would assume it was someone attacking my daughter if I had no idea she had a boyfriend.

True.

I sitll wanna' know why he didn't know she had a boyfriend.

464 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:40:38am
PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.

GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.

PALIN: Right, right.

GIBSON: I’m talking about somebody who’s a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

That was in the interview I heard.

these last couple of weeks … it has been overwhelming to me that confirmation of the message that Americans are getting sick and tired of that self-dealing and kind of that closed door, good old boy network that has been the Washington elite.

Definitely was in there.

I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals. That’s why we have to keep an eye on Russia.

And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

I heard that too. Was impressed with the answer.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

Actually, as I recall Gibson kept pushing her on that one but Levin skips over that part and so does the version of the video that Charles put up. I remember thinking at that point that she was making a few too many references to "all getting along" and hoping she'd tone that down in the future.

Anyway, I could go on but I'm afraid I've already beat this one senseless. Clearly I heard a different version of the interview than Mark Levin or Realwest did. Odd, that.

465 Happy Fun Ball  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:40:50am

re: #443 laZardo

"Palinned?"

/still not quite sure if it's PAL- or PALE-in...

How about "imPalined"?

466 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:41:07am

re: #423 Tigger2005

Actually I do enjoy logic and science in shows when they are accurately depicted. X-Files is one of my all time favorites as there really is no end to science. I think the new Fringe show is going to be a great hit. I think that if people really want to see true investigation they probably should watch The First 48, if they just want to be entertained they should watch CSI

467 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:41:23am

re: #456 JeremyR

Middle of the night, I hear a noise, I take some sort of weapon to defend myself. My son has dropped in unexpectedly several times, and I've met him with a gun in hand. Not pointed at him mind you, just at my side.
Dad was not patroling the house, something woke him up, he grabbed a weapon and went to investigate. Thats my take on it.

If that's how it went down, I'm sure the charges will be dismissed.

468 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:41:39am

re: #452 realwest

I just gave up and e-mailed you my #819 from the Open Thread...the pokes got buried. D:

469 addison  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:41:44am

re: #429 mattm

I don't know how so may people still don't notice that the MSM is in the tank for obama.

If you agree with everything in the news and you agree Obama is the greatest thing ever borne of woman, why would you question the mainstream media?

Insularity renders people unable to see outside themselves. That's why New York Times reporters and editors can say they are objective and unbiased--they believe it. They are not lying when they say these things. They would pass a lie-detector test because everyone they grew up thinks the way they do; every professor in journalism school thought the same way; every colleague thinks the same way; everyone they meet at a gala or ball thinks the same way; their personal heroes think the same way...

By self-referential definition, they are normal; anything that 'agrees' with their normality is not, to them, agreeing with their bias; it is further proof of how normal they are.

470 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:42:25am

re: #435 Typicalwhitey

It had nothing to do with being angry, he saw a potential rapis

I have trouble believing that the daughter didn't utter a peep, along the lines of "don't hit him, daddy, he's my boyfriend".

But, like I said, skimpy facts in a very brief story.

471 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:43:12am

re: #447 Dianna


I can only go by what comes from a reputable source, Dianna. From what ABC has to say for itself, since they are the organization in question, and from what Charles has posted himself, since that's where the questioning discussion is happening.

I don't plan to chase around every cut-down YouTube video that someone slaps onto the Internet, and I certainly hope that's not what Mark Levin did. I'm not sure why the 'East Coast version' would be edited differently, and then the apparently 'hidden' parts would be put online for the world to see.

Sounds like a big ol' bunch of nothing, so far.

472 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:43:16am

re: #458 Josephine

lots of hacks. not seeking the truth.
they want sensationalism.

473 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:43:23am

I hope they're both grounded for a very long time. With no PS3.

474 BBEV  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:44:07am

re: #431 JeremyR

In which case, lets hope the persecuter or the court are smart enough to dismiss the case.

That depends on where you live. I have had problems where I had to use force and the police told me that they would take care of the old fashion way, Very good cops. No Judge no jury, problems were solved and no one went to jail or fined.

475 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:44:30am

re: #473 MandyManners
Well I guarentee that boy is gonna have a headache for a long time to remind him.

476 addison  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:44:52am

re: #419 Intrepid

I've been reading at a few PUMA sites over the last few days, Sharm. They love Hillary, but almost all of them have said that even if she does jump aboard the Obama ticket, they will never vote for Obama. Their hatred of him is visceral, and they have been e-mailing Hillary and urging, begging her not to join the Obama ticket if Joe is dumped.

They feel their Democrat party has been hijacked, and they want it back!

I think what happened is richly-deserved cognitive dissonance. Mixed-race/"Black" affirmative action bested White female affirmative action and they cannot bring themselves to fully say what they know is true because it would force them, eventually, to leave liberalism.

477 Jinx  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:44:56am

re: #244 Sharmuta

I've also thought about the fact that Sarah seems to be getting all the attention while McCain seems to have taken a back seat. But it's true a lot of conservitives were not thrilled with him as our candidate. He did what he had to do, bringing in a conservative to shore up the base. In that- I give him credit- it's what many of us knew he had to do. But in picking Governor Palin, he not only shored up the base, he sent the left into a tizzy, and for that, I give him even more credit.

As far as riding her coat tails- he has to do what he has to do to win this thing, and if I were him, I'd want to have her spotlight shining on me too. I think McCain is more politically astute than anyone has given him credit for in the past.

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I think what McCain did in bringing in Palin was politically brilliant. Like you said, he shored up the base--energized it really--and shocked the left with it. He blindsided the left by picking her, and now they are scrambling to figure out how the hell to deal with her. Every attempt they've done has exposed how intellectually dishonest they are, how misogynistic they are, and really what they think of women who rise to power.

They are casting their carefully constructed veil in their hatred. I find it hilarious.

What I think McCain's actions really mean, is that he knows he's not on solid ground with the base, but that will not stop him from using our principles to get into power. He is known to be a "maverick." What he does once he gets into power will show his true character and where he stands.

Anyways, this ABCs interview is indicative of what is happening to "journalism" as we see it now. The push journalism is in its death throes. Hopefully, unbiased journalism will rise from the ashes.

478 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:45:00am

re: #459 MandyManners

My mother was a die-hard yellow-dog Democrat but, she's not any more. My cousin in West Tennessee--Democrat strong-hold--reports many, many McCain signs, and hardly any BHO signs.

INSIDE Shelby County? Wow! Maybe they're sick and tired of voting for public servants who never finish out their terms of office because they keep getting hauled off to jail!

479 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:45:13am

re: #453 yma o hyd

I really don't think 0bama can afford to switch- like I've already stated, it makes him look incapable of making an executive decision of importance. The only hope is if biden were to become "too ill". If that were the case- picking a woman would be seen as pandering and if it's not Hillary, he would still have the "why not Hillary" question looming over his head.

On the other hand- if it's leaked biden wants out but they won't let him- it's a nightmare scenario. What does it say when your veep wants to bail but you won't let him? And would we call it "Veepgate"?

480 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:45:16am

re: #467 MandyManners

unless you've got a rectum prosecutor running for election and pandering to a segment of the population, a la nifong.

481 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:45:18am

My attitude to ABC could be expressed by pointing out the fact that it took me more than 10 minutes to figure out where they are on my list of channels. I just don't watch them . Period.

482 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:45:22am

re: #359 jcm

Heinemann's Hot Rod

REALLY nice find!
I watched the replays ... did you notice in the last few frames the little "unexpected surprise" off his port wing?
I mentally frame "Sarah Palin" piloting that one.
Some tactics continue to work all the time.

483 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:45:57am

re: #451 Typicalwhitey

You hear strange noises in your daughters bedroom.
I would take a weapon also.

I agree with you on that much. I would also bring a weapon. (Depending on what the "strange noises" are, of course... but here, if they include, say, a male voice, when none is expected, yes, I'd bring a weapon.)

484 sojerofgod  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:46:11am

I support Sarah

the mainstream media has had it's way with us for far too long now. I want her to shake them up!

I am planning to go protest Obama in Oxford Miss. when the debates are held there. Pics to follow!

485 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:46:22am

re: #473 MandyManners

PS3's a rip-off (IMHO).

/sell it on e-Bay for 250 bucks.

486 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:46:56am

re: #464 Lynn B.
"Clearly I heard a different version of the interview than Mark Levin or Realwest did. Odd, that." Not to mention UPI. I could attribute it to my sometimes failing memory, but I don't think the same can be said of Levin (who apparently did an interview by interview, side by side check, which I haven't done).

487 loveguru  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:46:57am

good evening room

Religion of Peace Strike India again

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

488 Kulhwch  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:47:33am

Question: How can you tell the media is lying?

}:)     [Answer: Their lips are moving.]

489 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:47:36am

re: #478 Intrepid

INSIDE Shelby County? Wow! Maybe they're sick and tired of voting for public servants who never finish out their terms of office because they keep getting hauled off to jail!

No, not Shelby although she's there frequently.

490 jemima  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:47:41am

#371 Lynn B

I'm unclear about what point you're trying to make. Are you suggesting Mark Levin either doesn't have an accurate transcript and doesn't realize that or he changed it?

491 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:47:57am

re: #485 mitthrawnurdo

PS3's a rip-off (IMHO).

/sell it on e-Bay for 250 bucks.

The Kid likes his.

492 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:48:27am

re: #436 MandyManners

My dad responded to noises in the night with a heavy oak stick. It had a lot to do with a certain possum that somehow got into the garage and then the house.

493 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:48:48am
494 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:48:58am

re: #487 loveguru

Bastards...

/I wonder if India will be facing more attacks because Pres. Mushareef (sp?) is out of power?

495 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:49:04am

re: #475 pingjockey

Well I guarentee that boy is gonna have a headache for a long time to remind him.

If he were mine, his butt would be smartin', too.

496 tokyobk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:49:07am

re: #479 Sharmuta

I really don't think 0bama can afford to switch- like I've already stated, it makes him look incapable of making an executive decision of importance. The only hope is if biden were to become "too ill". If that were the case- picking a woman would be seen as pandering and if it's not Hillary, he would still have the "why not Hillary" question looming over his head.

On the other hand- if it's leaked biden wants out but they won't let him- it's a nightmare scenario. What does it say when your veep wants to bail but you won't let him? And would we call it "Veepgate"?

I don't think Biden will want to leave. Even on a sinking ship, what does it harm him. Will it offend his non-existent sense of shame? He can have a fun ride and go back to the Senate with a life-time of one-up stories for his colleges.

497 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:49:20am

re: #477 Jinx

It's no secret that I was not a McCain fan, but my views on him have moderated slightly due to his convention acceptance speech. If he can bring back the spirit of reform that swept the Republicans into power in the '96 election, than I am all for it. I'd like to give him a chance to try it, anyways.

498 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:49:23am

re: #463 MandyManners

True.

I sitll wanna' know why he didn't know she had a boyfriend.

Speaking from personal experience, it's not the ones you know about that cause trouble.
I can remember getting phone calls asking "Is [name] there?".
Then asking [name] about it.
Then getting the answer "it's just a friend, not a boyfriend".
Then both myself and [name] discovering that that's not what the caller thought.

Somewhere between "friend" and "stalker".

499 guzziguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:49:32am

re: #488 Kulhwch

Question: How can you tell the media is lying?

}:)     [Answer: Their lips are moving.]

There is less ink in their press?

The radio signals are still being sent out?

Time is still continuing?

500 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:49:44am

re: #471 Cognito

I'm not sure why the 'East Coast version' would be edited differently, and then the apparently 'hidden' parts would be put online for the world to see.

Online gets less mileage with a lot of demographics. How many TV viewers go online to read the transcripts or view longer versions? And once something's exposed, it doesn't usually get the same play as the original story. Like a newspaper correction on page 12.

501 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:50:03am

re: #478 Intrepid

This is an extreme suggestion...but maybe they want to consolidate"their base by casting a "punitive" vote for McCain. If the "outsiders" don't want to vote Liberal, there's nothing like "four more years of Bush" to do so.

502 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:50:09am

re: #490 jemima
No, I think Lynne B is relying on her memory of what she heard that night, as did I.
But my impression is that Levin had two transcripts - one from the original broadcast and one from the broadcast shown on the left coast and they were indeed different versions.

503 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:50:13am

I'm shocked, shocked to find deception going on in the msm!

504 caliredst8r  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:50:54am

Frankly I'm shocked and just a bit suspicious of the report that ABC edited this interview as blatantly as it's being reported. Seriously, they might support the DNC and be just another mouthpiece for the same, but the Party of I-want-to-buy-the-world-a-coke, peace, love, harmony, tolerance, open mindedness, anti-bigotry, and their fellow travelers would never, ever stoop to something so low and crass as this. This is Rethuglican territory and expertise, obviously. The Dems/MSM/Hollywood are very loud and proud about being anti-bad stuff, could they even fathom doing something like this?

They are only interested in getting everyone on board the Obama express, that's why they are showing everything about him, warts and all, complete honesty and transparency. This is exactly how his administration will be run. If the mouthbreathers on the Right can't believe that, Michelle's summer camp will show them the error of their ways.


Good morning Campers!

I'm your Aunt Michelle
and I'll welcome you to Barry's Holiday Camp
The camp with the difference
Nevermind the weather
When you come to Barry's
The holiday's forever

/s

505 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:50:55am

re: #469 addison

Following the ideology invented someone who was fat, drunk, and irrational is no way to go through life...

506 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:50:58am

Later folks, going to take some clothes to Goodwill. I have the 3 boys and end up with a lot of gently used clothes, that seemed to get outgrown at light speed!

507 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #445 dave in NC

I concur with your observation. Also where I came from you would be subjected to an IA investigation, Shooting Team and possibly Grand Jury or District Court depending upon the outcome of the health of the victim.

I was wondering what the ages of the kids involved. That could also make a difference in potential charges. Claim of stat rape against the male are potentially in play or not dependent upon age of the female. I have no idea how I would have personally responded but it probably wouldn't have been pretty.

508 the_flying_pig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:51:42am

ABC News, NBC News and CBS News needed to be brought down once and for all. The liberal-friendly mainstreamed media networks have done themselves a great disservice to the country by continually engaged in smear and malfeasance campaigns against Gov. Sarah Palin, John McCain, the Republican Party, conservatives and right-wing bloggers.

509 indythinker  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:51:50am

At least ABC News hasn't forged documents to influence an election like CBS News, or staged a fake flood to make a real hurricane look worse like NBC News.

Still, this is just getting bad. At this point, I would take the word of a used car salesman over that of anyone in the MSM.

510 BBEV  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:51:57am

re: #478 Intrepid

INSIDE Shelby County? Wow! Maybe they're sick and tired of voting for public servants who never finish out their terms of office because they keep getting hauled off to jail!

I drive a lot and observe bumper political stickers, what I see is that every Obama sticker that I see is on a foreign made car. If these people are so concerned about America why are they not driving American cars?

511 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:52:16am

re: #502 realwest

No, I think Lynne B is relying on her memory of what she heard that night, as did I.
But my impression is that Levin had two transcripts - one from the original broadcast and one from the broadcast shown on the left coast and they were indeed different versions.

I don't believe that's the case. I think people have, apparently, invented this 'East Coast' business from thin air. There's no word of it on Levin's site, which only comments, "THE BOLDED & UNDERLINED PARTS WERE EDITED OUT OF THE INTERVIEW," and then starts the 'transcript.'

And that's incorrect.

512 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:54:46am

No 'update,' Charles?

513 Spar Kling  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:55:10am

I didn't like the "but do you really think you're qualified for this job, little girl?" questions and tone that Gibson took, looking as if he were interviewing her for a job--especially with his "hubris" comment.

It might be a mistake, but if I were in Palin's shoes, I'd have been really tempted to say something like, "Look Charlie, I'm the elected governer of a state, so cut out the sexist crap, ok? Women take a lot a important jobs nowadays. Most people who are elected, including myself, have taken on a series of jobs with increasing responsibilities. In this country, you don't have to have had experience as a vice president to become vice president. Next question."

But then, ABC News would probably have have spliced and edited it to say:

Look, Charlie, I have had the . . . a . . . lots of jobs . . . and . . . I think . . . I might . . . be able . . . to take . . . the responsibilities.

514 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:56:05am

re: #467 MandyManners

If that's how it went down, I'm sure the charges will be dismissed.

Lets hope so. Its election time though, and prosecuters are doing dumb things. Norbert Marek, a persecuter, just did a plea deal in which a man who molested a young girl pled it down to sexually soliciting a teenager ager, and got 32 months. His offer to the family was accept the plea, or no prosecution. They initially had him on four counts of rape, and four counts of indecent liberties.
These guys do dumb stuff to stay in office. I know Merek, he is as worthless as they come.
If the Floriduh persecuter thinks he can force a plea deal before the election, he will do so, otherwise wait till after the election and then dump the case.

515 legalpad  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:56:19am

re: #365 Tigger2005

I love debating leftists because they are totally thrown off by my non-religious, evolution oriented views. They are always confused.

516 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:57:08am

re: #479 Sharmuta

The Obama camp should do a cost benefit analysis for keeping Joe as opposed to ditching him and going for someone else.

The "Eagleton" maneuver would be a 10 on the "disastrous" scale, no matter who replaced him on the ticket. The financial cost involved would be massive - replacing lawn signs, bumper stickers, banners, campaign merchandise - and that would take more fund-raisers, which they cannot afford to do time-wise.

And the cost to Obama's credibility and judgement would be extremely high. At least two news cycles would be spent focusing on Obama in a negative or questionable light. It would take the focus from him and onto Biden's replacement, and Obama needs all the positive focus on him he can get in order to stop the steady drop in his poll numbers.

To keep Biden on the ticket, the Obama campaign will need to hold a "come to Jesus" meeting with Plugs, telling him to STFU unless he's giving a prepared speech. And then they just have to soldier on, hoping Plugs does well in the debate with Palin.

517 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:57:23am
518 HDrepub  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:58:09am

re: #515 legalpad

I love debating leftists because they are totally thrown off by my non-religious, evolution oriented views. They are always confused.

It's because of all their stereotypes and preconceived notions.

519 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:58:18am

re: #479 Sharmuta

Indeed - agree with you.
Its really delicious - and Veepgate will be on the cards if Biden puts his foot in his mouth ... known to have happened before ...

520 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:58:33am

Hey all y'all please go to the top of the page and Buzz it for this thread - explanation is in the next thread over, but it's important!

521 jemima  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:58:40am

I trust Mark Levin. It seems like with his background he'd know something about transcripts.

Commencing in 1981, Levin served as advisor to several members of President Ronald Reagan's Cabinet, eventually becoming associate director of presidential personnel and ultimately Chief of Staff to Attorney General Edwin Meese. He has practiced law in the private sector, and is president of the Landmark Legal Foundation in Leesburg, Virginia.

522 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:59:11am

Hillary might joing the ticket if Zero paid off all her campaign debts and threw in a couple million dollars more for her trouble.

Then stab him in the back before the election *cackle*

523 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:00:07am

re: #511 Cognito

Look at the Thursday threads, about 2 in the afternoon.

524 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:00:09am

re: #511 Cognito
Well I'm repeating what Chris Wallace said on Fox News the day after the interview.
It wasn't invented out of thin air - y'all can e-mail Wallace for confirmation.

525 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:01:25am

How is going?

526 Josephine  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:01:31am

re: #210 shug

wanna see some hurricane Ike pictures on yahoo news?

you get some messiah sprinkled in for free.

Wow.

527 mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:02:52am

What a joke. The edits changed her answers significantly. Unbelievable. ABC loses any shred of impartiality on their very first interview with her.

Hopefully the other networks who weren't privileged with the first interview will call out ABC for the shoddy journalism. Not holding my breath though.

528 So?  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:04:56am

I think Gibson just threw himself under a bus.

529 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:07:30am

re: #520 realwest

Hey all y'all please go to the top of the page and Buzz it for this thread - explanation is in the next thread over, but it's important!

Watch yer' language, buzz a thread indeed!
You should be ashamed or you self, what would your mother think!

/ ;-P

530 addison  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:07:40am

re: #445 dave in NC

...as was pointed out previously, one can't just walk around assaulting people, whatever the reason.

But he didn't "just walk around assaulting". The person was in his house unannounced. Night and Day difference.

531 legalpad  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:08:06am

re: #518 HDrepub

It's all because their ideology replaces thinking with certain subjects. I've seen the most intelligent leftists almost instantly resort to personal attacks, however lame they were.

532 BBEV  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:08:32am

re: #528 So?

I think Gibson just threw himself under a bus.

With studded snow tires. I don't bother with the MSM anymore, it's just lies and fabrications.

533 addison  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:08:37am

re: #505 The Other Les

Following the ideology invented someone who was fat, drunk, and irrational is no way to go through life...

?

I don't get it.

534 Josephine  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:08:53am

re: #287 musicman

Excellent!

535 Josephine  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:12:29am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

Filthy rotten murderous bastards.

536 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:13:00am

re: #527 mich-again

What a joke. The edits changed her answers significantly. Unbelievable. ABC loses any shred of impartiality on their very first interview with her.

Hopefully the other networks who weren't privileged with the first interview will call out ABC for the shoddy journalism. Not holding my breath though.

I'd hold off on that particular criticism for the moment. The interview was certainly 'egregiously biased,' as Charles and the UPI have said, but this so-called transcript is not a transcript at all.

I've spent just a few minutes looking through it, and it's falling apart in a hurry.

537 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:13:43am

re: #533 addison

?

I don't get it.

"Fat, drunk, and irrational" basically describes Karl Marx.

I was trying to play off the line of Dean Wormer in ANIMAL HOUSE.

538 RobCon  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:16:47am

Thanks to Charles and Mark Levin for posting this. The days when the media can get away with cheap under-handed tricks like this are in the past.

539 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:18:17am

re: #536 Cognito

Whats falling apart in a hurry? That they didn't edit the interview?

540 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:20:23am

re: #538 RobCon

Its not just those two sources reporting this. Its viral. But not a hint of an explanation at the ABC News site.

541 Allah al Fubar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:21:01am

Question:

Where has Michelle Obama bin-Hiden?

No doubt they are keeping this angry woman out of the spotlight, out of the media and undercover. She is a very angry woman who cannot hold a candle to Sarah Palin... and, she knows it. It must have been quite embarrassing for Obamessiah to have to attend the 9/11 memorial without his queen. He looked so unsteady, so out of place... he tosses a rose into a pile as tribute to those who perished on 9/11. Versus showing deference and dignity.

A true Chicago Thug Politician in Live Action Video.

/wow

542 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:21:20am

re: #539 Mich-again

Whats falling apart in a hurry? That they didn't edit the interview?

Watch the video here, and read along with the 'transcript.' You'll see what I mean.

(The wheels start to come off at 2:45, and then throughout.)

543 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:22:56am

OT but related-- The Obama ad mocking McCain because he doesn't use a computer or e-mail was praised in the N.Y. Times this morning as "accurate". Of course, the Times omitted to mention that McCain's hands were badly injured by his North Vietnamese captors, and that he is unable to comb his own hair or to tie his own shoes because of the disability.

Nice work mocking a war veteran because of his torture-inflicted disabilities, guys! /sarc And thanks to the Times for joining in the chorus! /sarc

I would have call these people clueless, but to praise the ad after the truth comes out is flat out sadistic and cruel.

544 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:24:34am

re: #522 Shay4l

Hillary might joing the ticket if Zero paid off all her campaign debts and threw in a couple million dollars more for her trouble.

Then stab him in the back before the election *cackle*

Yeah - go ahead and do taht, Hillary!
Means the dems will definitely lose, and will be out for 16 years.
Good strategy!

545 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:25:25am

re: #502 realwest

No, I think Lynne B is relying on her memory of what she heard that night, as did I.

Correct. Thanks, RW.

But my impression is that Levin had two transcripts - one from the original broadcast and one from the broadcast shown on the left coast and they were indeed different versions.

Only problem with that is that I'm on the left coast myself. OTOH, I can't remember if I heard the excerpts Levin says were edited out on the television broadcast or on an internet video, so it is possible that they were edited out on TV here. All I know is that I did hear (and see) them, that night, before dinner (which around here isn't usually until 9 or so). Which probably means that ABC had released at least one version that included them at that point.

546 Eagle  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:26:08am

When I read the transcript on Levin's website--> I was reading it in his voice.

"Ya big jerk!"

547 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:29:21am

re: #231 Cap'n DOC

Explain the difference between a Softball and a Baseball.

Explain the difference between a bean bag and a beanball.

548 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:32:36am

re: #542 Cognito

Watch the video here, and read along with the 'transcript.' You'll see what I mean.

(The wheels start to come off at 2:45, and then throughout.)

Cog, if what you're saying is that almost everything Levin says was edited out is INCLUDED in that video, I have to agree with you on this.

But that isn't the version I saw Thursday night either because there was no video clip of Sarah Palin speaking at her church in the interview I saw, and the lines "You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote." and "Exact words." were, in fact, edited out of the video posted here at LGF (at least as it shows now).

549 Allah al Fubar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:34:23am
550 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:35:41am

re: #548 Lynn B.

Yeah. I can't make sense of all the variations. But I do know that the headline 'ABC News Hid Important Parts of Palin Interview' is entirely misleading, since those 'important parts' were available to Charles in the very version he linked. I'm surprised he hasn't updated the post.

551 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:37:19am

P.S. -- I'm certainly not saying Charles intended to mislead anyone with the title, as I would have gone right along with it, based on the Levin 'transcript.' But a second look reveals that the Levin take on things -- the 'hidden' aspect -- is wrong.

552 HippieforLife  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:38:20am

re: #371 Lynn B.

I am on the West Coast and was pretty sure that I did not hear or see those edited comments on my FOX news channel. (Mostly hurrican Ike).

I worry sometimes that I am not quite sure I heard or read what I did. LOL!

553 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:41:04am

If it hasn't been linked already:

A list of the questions Gibson asked Obama and those asked Palin, for a great illustration of what being "in the tank" means.

554 nigella  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:41:23am

Hippie, I too am on the West Coast and what I saw and heard was a much more abbreviated interview.I thought her remark about being able to see Russia from an Island in Alaska sounded juvenile. Seems she said a whole lot more when you read the transcript. It looked choppy to me.

555 strike hornet  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:41:50am

re: #91 mamashawna


Is Obambi's ego too much to accept Hillary, or will his desire to win overstep his ego? Would it work? Would the public see this as weakness, or see it as a 'wise' admission of a mistake and willingness to correct his errors?

Obama's ego couldn't handle having three Presidents in the White house...

556 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:43:37am

re: #548 Lynn B.

Cog, if what you're saying is that almost everything Levin says was edited out is INCLUDED in that video, I have to agree with you on this.

But that isn't the version I saw Thursday night either because there was no video clip of Sarah Palin speaking at her church in the interview I saw, and the lines "You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote." and "Exact words." were, in fact, edited out of the video posted here at LGF (at least as it shows now).

I apparently saw the video you saw.
I would also like to note that some people were posting "live" while or just after watching the interview.
I didn't get to see it until 6 P.M. "my time" (Mountain DST) on one of the local channels. They always show the national news after the local news.

NOBODY got to see it "live" ... not sure what to think.
I just kept thinking "Take a breath, Charlie, and ask something important".

557 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:45:53am

ABC News (and the MSM):

"Hey, this hole's getting deeper. Can you give me a bigger shovel?"

558 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:46:02am

re: #439 nyc redneck

Dr. Palin! Dr. Palin! Report to ER, Stat! There's a Gibson Guy here that needs a Palinoscopy!

559 Billy Hank  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:47:07am

Lots of great comments. Thanks.

One thing I noticed especially that I don't recall anyone commenting on was Gibson's rarely looking Palin in the eye. Lots of times he is looking over her head or to one side or the other. He makes eye contact only rarely.


Sarah, on the other hand, is constantly looking at his face, trying to make eye contact, using his name, touching him, trying to establish some level of rapport. Gibson resists these attempts. The few times he does make eye contact, it is usually looking down through his half glasses. I saw maybe four brief flashes where Gibson even seemed to acknowledge that she was a person, a human being. Otherwise, Gibson behaved as if she was some slightly repellent alien bug that he would rather not be seen with.

My interpretation of this behavior is that Gibson knew that he was doing an assassination piece. He could not risk acknowledging her humanity out of fear that the cognitive dissonance between his actions and whatever remaining integrity he might have would cause his head to explode.

560 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:54:00am

re: #559 Billy Hank


.....
My interpretation of this behavior is that Gibson knew that he was doing an assassination piece. He could not risk acknowledging her humanity out of fear that the cognitive dissonance between his actions and whatever remaining integrity he might have would cause his head to explode.

Interesting analysis of his body language. I got the impression that he was trying to pose as some sort of scholarly preceptor testing a pupil.

561 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:54:42am

re: #550 Cognito

As I understand it they showed both the edited version and the full version at different times. And I can understand that in a shorter segment they couldn't show the whole interview. The key is, when an editor edits an interview they should strive to keep the answers to the questions intact and not try to paint the interviewee one way or another.

And from seeing how the interview was edited, its clear the edits were made with a political purpose in mind, not just to reduce the length.

562 rednaxela  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:55:57am

re: #559 Billy Hank

Ditto. Thanks for all the good comments.

I really think its time for the McCain people to call a spade a spade and put an end to this. No more interviews, no debates, no nothing with the elitist, biased and lying MSM. And put out ads making it clear why this step was taken. AS Barry said, enough is enough.

But alas, I fear it will be same old same old, pandering to the decrepit MSM, just like Bush 43 has for the past 8 years. And where has that gotten him?!?

563 Allah al Fubar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:57:23am

re: #559 Billy Hank

You are correct, Billy. Charlie was on a mission to discredit Sarah Palin. As a matter of fact, he looked at her with such disdain that now even ABC is on par with NBC news. He lost. If you do some research, you'll see the "little green softballs" that were thrown at the O-messiah when his "aura and being" was interviewed.

This is all going to backfire into the face of the leftist agenda. They will not succeed in their mission to propel an empty suit into Executive Office to feed their insatiable desire for government funding into programs that quite frankly don't work.

As an old man once told me when I was 18 and 6' tall and bullet proof:

"You only get what you work for". "Don't count on anyone but yourself".


A lesson that Obama should learn. Quickly

564 rednaxela  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:01:36pm

re: #560 Dar ul Harbarian

More like the scholarship admissions tutor at university. He was the gatekeeper and Sarah did not pass the test for that ivy league scholarship. After all, moose hunting hicks aren't welcome.

That condescending over his glasses peering was the worst part of it all. What a first class asshole. Sure he didn't fly in on coach.

Go back to Washington and play with your elitist country club friends Charlie, or better still, go fuck yourself Charlie.

565 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:04:56pm

re: #559 Billy Hank

yes I noticed it, with regard to the lack of eye contact. to me it really stood out. he tried hard not to show an ounce of interest or humanness towards her. only disdain, as if he were interviewing Joseph Goebbels.

566 rednaxela  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:11:19pm

re: #565 alien_mind

More likely he was trying to channel Goebbels. If he'd been interviewing Goebbels it would have sounded more like Hannity interviewing Bush 43.

567 windhorse  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:14:02pm

I thought Gibson was acting a little too much like Jenjiss Kahn (sniff).

568 Jinx  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:14:42pm

re: #497 Sharmuta

I agree. It wasn't until after he brought Palin in that I decided to get behind him. I'm not happy about his candidacy, but I like Palin. If only it were Palin/McCain. Or someone more conservative....

But what are the alternatives? Obama/Biden? No thanks. I'd rather write in Satan and get it over all the quicker.

569 winston06  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:19:34pm

I hate MSM with a burning passion

570 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:21:38pm

re: #402 christheprofessor

Heh. Check my #390...

Oh, that would be a precious moment.

571 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:21:54pm

re: #561 Mich-again

As I understand it they showed both the edited version and the full version at different times. And I can understand that in a shorter segment they couldn't show the whole interview. The key is, when an editor edits an interview they should strive to keep the answers to the questions intact and not try to paint the interviewee one way or another.

And from seeing how the interview was edited, its clear the edits were made with a political purpose in mind, not just to reduce the length.

Agreed. But I think Cog's last point and my question would be, since they did show the full version, at least on line, then what exactly were they hiding? No question on my part that the edits were deceptive and misleading.

BTW where did Mark Levin get the transcript he used to point out the parts that ABC was allegedly trying to hide? Seems to me, he got it here ... at ABC's website.

572 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:27:27pm
573 ShortBald&Potbellied  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:27:40pm

re: #350 kawfytawk

could it be that would aired on TV is not what is being aired in online videos?

I'm wondering that myself. I didn't see the original interview, but I saw the 20/20 segment on Friday which looked like it had been edited by my six year old. They did seem to edit her responses mid-sentence. Oddly enough, they also repeated material from the earlier broadcast (I don't know if anything changed from the original). If they were short on time, I think I would have not repeated the stuff from the earlier broadcast, and I sure would have pulled the Stephanopolis segment with the two female campaign strategists. Anyone TIVO these by chance?

Might need to start tracking changes on the internet, as I'm hearing the content in those are changing.

574 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:28:45pm

re: #571 Lynn B.


BTW where did Mark Levin get the transcript he used to point out the parts that ABC was allegedly trying to hide? Seems to me, he got it here ... at ABC's website.

My gosh, Lynn. I think you're right. Even the formatting is the same, right down to the "Sarah Palin on God:" rubric.

I'm starting to wonder what the heck Mark Levin is doing here, exactly.

575 looking closely  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:29:23pm

re: #61 Tigger2005

After McCain/Palin are elected, I think they should just simply bypass the MSM. It's time. There are plenty of other ways to communicate with the American people.

How often did American Presidents do interviews with TASS or Pravda? It's the same thing.

Simply ban the MSM from interviews and press conferences until they can show themselves to be objective and nonpartisan by asking the same tough questions of Democratic candidiates.

Never going to happen, and it would only lead to non-stop criticism of the McCain/Palin administration.

Its like kicking a skunk. You may feel better afterwords, but you'll only stink worse.

There isn't an easy answer to pervasive media bias, but I think a good start would be for the new administration to shun the absolute worst offenders (eg the NYT) just to set a precedent, and permit access to more objective and newer sources (eg top high-profile bloggers).

576 rednaxela  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:29:50pm

re: #568 Jinx

Ditto.

But I was bothered by the fact she now seems to pander on the global cooling/warming BS.

I know, I know, she was just doing what her handlers told her to do, but frankly, it would have been better if she'd just told Charlie to take his BS back to DC.

577 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:35:49pm

re: #574 Cognito

My gosh, Lynn. I think you're right. Even the formatting is the same, right down to the "Sarah Palin on God:" rubric.

I'm starting to wonder what the heck Mark Levin is doing here, exactly.

Yes, that's what tipped me off.

A bit of grandstanding, I suspect. I'm afraid it may backfire.

Fact is, though, the interview was a hatchet job any way you cut it.

/pun intended

578 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:36:54pm

re: #577 Lynn B.

Yes, that's what tipped me off.

A bit of grandstanding, I suspect. I'm afraid it may backfire.

Fact is, though, the interview was a hatchet job any way you cut it.

/pun intended

Agreed, all the way around.

579 ShortBald&Potbellied  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:38:51pm

re: #516 Intrepid

The Obama camp should do a cost benefit analysis for keeping Joe as opposed to ditching him and going for someone else.

The "Eagleton" maneuver would be a 10 on the "disastrous" scale, no matter who replaced him on the ticket. The financial cost involved would be massive - replacing lawn signs, bumper stickers, banners, campaign merchandise - and that would take more fund-raisers, which they cannot afford to do time-wise.

And the cost to Obama's credibility and judgement would be extremely high. At least two news cycles would be spent focusing on Obama in a negative or questionable light. It would take the focus from him and onto Biden's replacement, and Obama needs all the positive focus on him he can get in order to stop the steady drop in his poll numbers.

To keep Biden on the ticket, the Obama campaign will need to hold a "come to Jesus" meeting with Plugs, telling him to STFU unless he's giving a prepared speech. And then they just have to soldier on, hoping Plugs does well in the debate with Palin.

I don't think they can just dump him at this stage, due to registration requirements in the states. If memory serves, some states will only allow a substitution after a certain date in cases of death or disability of the actual candidate.

580 maddyg  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:39:20pm

I thought the most elitist question Charlie Gibson asked of Sarah Palin was how much travel she has done outside the states. It reminds me of that famous cover for The New Yorker painted by Saul Steinberg. The way these people see the world is through that magazine cover. I am sure Charlie Gibson has sent his kids abroad for summer study and college programs and spent countless vacations, just across the pond, in sunny southern France. Sarah Palin worked her way through college, ran family businesses, raised five kids and served as mayor and Governor. Give me a break, the woman was busy living life.

581 Joan  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:41:17pm

duly buzzed to yahoo

I thought she held her own with Gibson, thwarting his main intent: to marginalize and ridicule her, to strip her of dignity and credibility.

She refused to be cast as a troglodyte on global warming--refusing to be baited. "Regardless of the cause, Charlie," it was smart. It means that it is an open question as to causative factors in climate change.

God bless her; atheist or believer we all owe her a debt of gratitude for taking the heat and for being a deft and strong-willed fighter. The Force Is Strong With This One

582 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:42:08pm

re: #560 Dar ul Harbarian

Interesting analysis of his body language. I got the impression that he was trying to pose as some sort of scholarly preceptor testing a pupil.

That's funny - I got the impression that Obama was standing off camera behind Palin and was writing the questions in real time for Gibson on a dry erase board.

All about perception.

583 Joan  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:46:33pm

re: #580 maddyg

I thought the most elitist question Charlie Gibson asked of Sarah Palin was how much travel she has done outside the states. It reminds me of that famous cover for The New Yorker painted by Saul Steinberg. The way these people see the world is through that magazine cover. I am sure Charlie Gibson has sent his kids abroad for summer study and college programs and spent countless vacations, just across the pond, in sunny southern France. Sarah Palin worked her way through college, ran family businesses, raised five kids and served as mayor and Governor. Give me a break, the woman was busy living life.

All true. And, has Charlie himself gone to Iraq? Has he visited wounded soldiers in Germany? Has he gone to Mexico to deal with energy and economic development issues? Has he worked with Canada on issues of energy and boundaries and shared resources?

Oh. Yeah, Obama went on his We are the World Victory and Deification tour (2 weeks). So he's now qualified to lead the free world? Give us a break, Pravda. Ministry of Truth loves Obama.

584 Mr. Sandman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:48:41pm

Oh give me a break. The interview was extremely fair, Gibson was calm, polite, asked eminently fair and simple questions, the kinds of basic questions that should be on Americans' minds about her knowledge and beliefs, and gave her plenty of room for response. Networks *always* edit interviews to fit them in the timeframe for TV, there was nothing critical "edited out" to make her look worse. In general, ABC news is far more anti-Obama than pro; this is all nonsense.

585 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:51:06pm

re: #584 Mr. Sandman

Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:38 pm
No. of comments posted: 2. 'Nuff said

586 Billy Hank  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:05:05pm

re: #565 alien_mind

Thanks. At least I know I wasn't imagining it.

587 mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:09:28pm

re: #584 Mr. Sandman

Networks *always* edit interviews to fit them in the timeframe for TV, there was nothing critical "edited out" to make her look worse.

I disagree. The editing was done with a grinding axe by a political hack.

588 ShortBald&Potbellied  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:10:38pm

re: #436 MandyManners

Well, he took a pipe to him and that makes me think it was premeditated unless he walks around his house with a pipe in his pocket.

"Is that a pipe in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"

(Sorry, couldn't pass it up...) :D

589 mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:15:42pm

re: #584 Mr. Sandman

ABC news is far more anti-Obama than pro;

They might be slightly less Pro-Obama than others but its a joke to refer to them as anti-Obama. That is just plain crazy.

590 AceR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:18:02pm

I read this on another post and I agree.

From now on, I will cease calling the liberal media types "the Main Stream Media" (MSM) and only refer to them as the DSM (Down Stream Media), where all the impurities, garbage, and flotsom and jetsom collect.

You've seen the DSM with all of its empty soda cans, rubber tires, and mosquito-infested, stagnant, algae-laden waters that collect the likes of Olberman, Rather, Mitchell, Matthews, Moyers, and Gibson. The DSM reminds me of the Dead Sea where water flows into it, but never through it. That's why it's called dead...

591 hazzyday  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:19:25pm

re: #360 itellu3times

ABC a high powered news agency unable to find original source material that anyone on the internet can.

592 Neo_  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:22:57pm
593 Random63  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:36:08pm

This is what I sent to ABC...of course got a automated reply back trying to sell DVD's of their shows.

"I read the transcripts and watched the interview. What the hell is Gibson and ABC news trying to pull? I've never seen such unprofessional and biased editing done since Dan Rather and his fake documents. Does the media require going through Journalism 101 again? Do they even understand what their job is any more? I just want the facts, the unedited interviews, and a news organization that will report the news and not their propaganda. If was a sponsor, I would be demanding my money back for I wouldn't want to be associated with this "hit" piece. Shame on ABC and Gibson!"

Maybe we should send this reminder to all the news organizations via regular mail, email, and message boards.

From the Professional Journalists Code of Ethics

Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.

Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.

Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.

Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.

Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.

Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.

Abide by the same high standards to which they hold others.

594 LesLein  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:40:43pm

re: #64 pingjockey

I couldn't agree more. Ask Clarence Thomas about how Biden allowed illegal leaks of FBI files. In 1987 Biden's hearings resulted in a new verb: "bork."

595 Ben F  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:43:01pm

I know that I have heard several of the exchanges that Levin cites as having been cut from the broadcast portions of the Gibson interview.

I never watched the interviews when they were broadcast on ABC, mind you. The excerpts that I heard most likely came from various NPR programs, or possibly The News Hour.

Or, perhaps, The Daily Show or the Colbert Report.

596 hazzyday  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:43:59pm

I noticed in the Sen. Obama interview Gibson had a table length between himself and Sen. Obama with an American Flag in the background. With Gov. Palin Gibson was sitting "in her space". I looked upon that as a means to make Sen. Obama comfortable and as a method to offput and disturb Gov. Palin.

597 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:45:47pm

re: #355 ploome hineni

no

but the blatant and rediculous nature of the MSM and individuals like Whoopie-am I gonna be a slave again-, disgust a lot of people

whooopie, whose claim to fame is 9 FUCKING ABORTIONS

/who would want to do her?

ugh

ahem: Among her boyfriends were Ted Danson and Frank Langella.

598 hazzyday  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:46:22pm

re: #584 Mr. Sandman

I guess you never watched the Gibson/Obama interview and this is just your wise and considered "off the cuff" remark reflecting your own perceptions.

599 LesLein  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:47:46pm

In 1988 George H.W. Bush agreed to an interview with Dan Rather on the conditions that Rather only ask one question about Iranaquiddock and the interview would be live. When Rather pulled a double cross Bush was able to embarrass him. The GOP needs a similar strategy this year.

McCain should consider running an ad attacking the MSM. He can cite examples cited here and point out that since the MSM is a party to the campaign it's credibility is fair game. This will let voters know that they aren't receiving a fair presentation of the facts. Perhaps the embarrassment will cause the MSM to shape up.

600 leftover54  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:49:15pm

Hey Gibson, the Rather line starts over there - get your sorry ass moving...
Next... ?

601 red131  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:54:26pm

well I guess we can add ABC to the NBC trash bin. No more access for them. Let them get the pool feeds.

602 TheMatrix31  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:01:28pm

Are there different versions of the interview based on the location? My friend on the East Coast said he saw some parts of the interview. Parts that I don't recall.

603 arf  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:04:54pm

I don't know if anyone has linked this. A Pacifica Radio interview of Mike Gravel, regarding his fellow Alaska politician Sarah Palin.

Gravel does not agree with any of her policy positions, but he admires her as an individual, and overall supports what she did in Alaska, including her decision in so-called "troopergate", and her tough stand with the oil interests.

It's alternately painful, fascinating, funny. The Pacifica reporters are clearly looking to manufacture a smear story, and Gravel doesn't give them one.

604 Summersong  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:36:55pm

Shameful. They are relentless. It is disgusting.

605 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:34:37pm

Honestly,

Is there some sort of source other than Levin's site? I have been passing this around, and since there is no document, no audio, and no video, folks are very skeptical.

Shit, even I think Levin is annoying.

606 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:09:58pm

re: #605 astronmr20

Honestly,

Is there some sort of source other than Levin's site? I have been passing this around, and since there is no document, no audio, and no video, folks are very skeptical.

Shit, even I think Levin is annoying.

Apparently not.

And it sure looks like Levin just copied that transcript from the ABC News site here, but for some reason moved the "Sarah Palin on God" segment to the end.

See my comments upthread.

607 SixDegrees  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:28:13pm

I was also curious about exactly where the "raw" transcript came from; Levin's site doesn't list any sources at all, and neither do any of the other sites referencing this story.

I don't think it's too surprising that it came from ABC. Let's not forget that it was 60 Minutes that placed the now-famous Throbbing Memo online for anyone to examine, confident that no one would call their bluff. I suspect that the same sort of sloppiness, underlain by arrogance, may be at work here.

Things will certainly get worse. Obama's electoral vote lead has been in a slow, steady decline since mid-July, and Palin came online just about at the time when it crossed over into the noise, then negative territory. The trend has continued, with McCain now up by 10 electoral votes and margins in many states closing fast. Now that their man is actually losing, look for the Left and the MSM to vomit forth a steady torrent of this sort of thing in an attempt to reverse Obama's fortunes.

Just once, I would like to see Obama or Biden subjected to even a tenth the heckling and baiting that McCain received from Baba Wawa. But that's never going to happen.

608 strike hornet  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 5:01:59pm

re: #579 ShortBald&Potbellied

I don't think they can just dump him at this stage, due to registration requirements in the states. If memory serves, some states will only allow a substitution after a certain date in cases of death or disability of the actual candidate.

Biden is brain-dead...that might qualify him...

609 leftover54  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 5:33:16pm

re: #95 blue sky


OMG, I havn't laughed this hard in I don't know when - thanks !

610 clayusmcret  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 5:37:33pm

I purposely did not watch the broadcasts because I assumed this would be done by ABC. Their M.O. is too easy to predict.

611 detroitteacher  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 8:27:52pm

I watched the interview on Nightline and much of the supposedly left out material was included in that broadcast. I thought Gibson was rude and condescending to Palin, and she was calm and cool in return. Obama still hasn't been asked any hard questions by the adoring media, and what about Biden's son's ethical lapses? When does that become news?

612 rorschach  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:32pm

ABC stands for "goddam liars".

The editing was so poorly done, it was obvious what they were up to.

Heads need to roll.

613 nightwatch  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 11:42:05pm

Even FAT BASTARD wit a WEE bit o d boggmarsh peat drippins an a foogen Final Cut Pro could ear the slassins and d clippens of the breathin from Bonney Pit Palin, all me sain, "FOOGEN RRROOOOOOOKIE, audio-wart, FOOGEN RRROOOOOOOOKIE. Piker Gibson, what ye take me for then, the Soros clogged chamber pot? YA WANKIN GOAT MUFFER. What 60 seconds wu'nut ave ya? Then go n rool ya slef in the barn floor an be dun wit ya.

OODA LOOP...OODA LOOP...OODA LOOP

614 SteveRogers  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:17:24am

When Gibson asked:
"Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?"

I would have replied:
"Aren't you conceited, pretending to be a journalist?"

615 J.S.  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 7:13:43am

In the snippet that was played on CNN -- Gibson was demanding to know if she felt she was "arrogant" for running for the Veep spot. Clearly, Gibson (this obscene loser) would never, ever ask Obama if he were arrogant for running for office given his resume. Gibson should be fired, demoted, etc. he acted like a incompetent bozo -- a hostile, twiching, overbearing, arrogant prick. (he's what i imagine a KKKos ranter would look like...and I really think that's where Gibson belongs -- as a Blogger ranting with the KKKos folks.)

616 J.S.  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 7:18:01am

The term used was "arrogant" -- and that, btw, is the same term which i hear (up here in Moonbat Canada) ad nauseum to illustrate AmeriKKKa..it's routinely used by all the Islamists, all the Imams, and all the pro-terrorist reporters when describing the United States/Bush administration, etc....same term -- that's -- "arrogant" and the "U.S. is arrogant", etc. It's their mantra....repeated over and over and over again.

617 blue sky  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 8:06:25am
#609 leftover54
re: #95 blue sky


OMG, I havn't laughed this hard in I don't know when - thanks !

I'm glad someone finally checked out the links. Wonder why I got the down dings?

618 CavillingCanuck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:39:23am

Buried in this morning's Entertainment section of the Toronto Sun, in small print, a quotation from almost-famous a**hole Bill Maher, pushing his hate propaganda movie at the Toronto International Film Festival: "this snarling bitch cannot run this country" (he apparently forgot he was in another country, Canada). Let's picture some conservative "celebrity" saying, "this uppity ni**er cannot run this country". Front page bold-print giant headlines, right? In the top 3 stories on the network evening news, right?

I'm 100% certain my post will be the only place his hateful words will be reported.

Note: I should have said that B.M. (how apt) is a well-known a**hole and almost-famous as a .... whatever it is he's supposed to do.

619 MJR  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:04:34pm

Heh... I have no reaction... guess I expect that from the drive-bys.


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