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ABC News Hid Important Parts of Palin Interview

Politics | Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:08:07 am PDT

It won’t come as a surprise to LGF readers, but Charlie Gibson’s interview with Sarah Palin was heavily edited by ABC News to make Palin appear more hawkish and less knowledgeable. Mark Levin has the complete transcript, and what ABC News tried to pull here is a textbook example of media malfeasance: Gibson Interview.

Also see: ABC News Edited Out Key Parts of Sarah Palin Interview.

The interview was so egregiously biased, even UPI is calling out ABC News for their blatant double standards: ABC’s Gibson grilled Palin hard, but it may backfire.

The double-standard Gibson applied to Palin, compared with the uncritical media platforms repeatedly offered to Obama, who has had zero executive experience running anything, was especially striking. ABC and Gibson focused on Palin as if she were running right now for the presidency rather than the vice presidency. He and other media pundits, by contrast, have never asked the Democratic vice presidential nominee, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, if he has ever had to make a decision on anything.

Gibson’s aggressive approach appeared to take Palin by surprise: He was clearly attempting to put her on point by presenting her as having extreme religious views. This again, however, appears to be a double-standard, as Palin grew up in the Assemblies of God, one of the largest Christian denominations in America with 16 million members, and is now a member of the Wasilla Bible Church. Even now, Obama has yet to receive any comparable grilling on his 20-year attendance in the congregation of the notoriously racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

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1 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:09:44am

"Because Obama and Wright didn't have that deep of a relationship over the last 20 years, and besides which he could easily 'understand' where all this hatred was coming from...not that he'd approve it but you get the idea. Now Hagee...don't get me started."

/standard excuse...

2 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:10:43am

abc did a hit job on my daughter a few years ago on gma. ole charlie had to appologize on air to her two days later.
they edited the interview to suit their agenda.

3 pianobuff  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:10:57am

Any bets on who on the alphabet network Sunday forums will point this out?

George Will maybe?

Hope Monica Crowley is on....

4 Opinionated  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:11:51am

I wonder how Republicans would do in elections if they only had to run against Democrats and not the Democrats/media tag team?

5 kynna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:12:04am

Charles, is there anything you can make throb in this scenario?

6 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:12:15am

It's goinna' bite, 'em. Hard.

She looks much, much sharper with those parts included.

7 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:12:36am

ABC, the new CBS.

8 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:12:43am

re: #3 pianobuff

Any bets on who on the alphabet network Sunday forums will point this out?

George Will maybe?

Hope Monica Crowley is on....

Not Will, cuz he's also on ABC.

Probably Olberman.

/sometimes I just crack myself up

9 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:12:51am

posted this last night but applies here:

Evidence Gibson Was Prejudiced Against Palin: Comparison of Palin and Obama Interviews
I compared Charles Gibson’s interview of Palin with his interview of Obama and there is much evidence that Gibson was prejudiced against Palin. He interviewed Obama right after he became the presumptive presidential nominee and he interviewed Palin shortly after she became the vice presidential nominee. So the situation of the interviews is similar. And because the situation of the interviews is similar Gibson’s extreme prejudice against Palin is very obvious.

For example, Gibson asked Obama a lot of questions focused on the positive aspects of Obama being a champion and breaking a glass ceiling for African Americans. Yet he didn’t ask Palin about her potential of breaking the infamous glass ceiling and the benefits that would create for women who are a much larger percentage of the U.S. population than African Americans.

Read the rest here.

10 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:05am

re: #5 kynna

Charles, is there anything you can make throb in this scenario?

...besides my head...

11 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:25am

we are witnessing the death throes of the msm at their own hands.

12 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:38am

re: #3 pianobuff
Chris Wallace and Charles Krauthammer, Britt Hume. Don't expect Stephie, or Meet the Depressed to point this travesty out though.

13 Clubsec  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:54am

The ObamUH and the MSM think things like '... clinging to their guns and religion ... .' Is a bad thing.
I do know this, both ObamUH and Slo-Joe are gun grabbing scheistkoffs.

14 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:13:58am

re: #9 newsjunkie_ky

There was this stat that said that women make up 51% of the American population...

15 Reno911  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:14:21am

Another news outlet I will never patronize again.

16 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:14:37am

I hope that dipshit enjoyed his final interview with Vice President Palin.

What a worm.

17 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:15:09am

re: #5 kynna

Charles, is there anything you can make throb in this scenario?

Perhaps a pic of Gibson questioning Sarah like a stern schoolmaster, intercut with one of Gibson fellating Obama ...

I'm apologize in advance for the keyboards and monitors ruined by projectile vomit ...

18 scalleywag  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:15:12am

Seems like a contest...which outlet can do the most damage to the republican candidate. ABC is moving in on NBC, the reigning champ!

19 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:15:34am

re: #12 pingjockey

Chris Wallace and Charles Krauthammer, Britt Hume. Don't expect Stephie, or Meet the Depressed to point this travesty out though.

Well, judging from some of the Sunday line-ups, the surrogates may be bringing it up, which would be a start.

20 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:15:47am

re: #18 scalleywag

re: #11 nyc redneck

I can only hope that Obama doesn't win then. That'll open the memory hole straight to hell.

21 seekeroftruth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:16:08am

1) Thank you for posting this Charles.
2) Shame on ABC ! This is a disgrace to the entire MSM to treat any Vice presidential candidate in this manner.
3) And then, the big question.....will anyone in the MSM ask The Messiah, the one running for PRESIDENT, any of this questions?

22 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:16:25am

re: #17 Tigger2005

Good thing I was just about to take a shower. D:

/brb, lol

23 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:16:43am

It's so blatantly biased that even little old ladies who've voted democrat all their lives are coming out in favor of Palin and McCain... this election has the potential to be the most one sided win since the (shooting) civil war.

24 Blackacre  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:16:59am

Charlie must believe that he is star-kissed, but he's not. He botched the "Bush Doctrine" and he misrepresented the prayer quote, never mind that it's doubtful whether he understands either. Sorry, Charlie.

And kudos to Sarah'cuda for out classing him.

25 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:10am

If you get the wire services calling you out, y'all got trouble in unicorn land. The Faeries......are....coming home......to roost!

26 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:11am

re: #15 Reno911

Another news outlet I will never patronize again.


Yep, I used to watch desperate houswives but after what eva l. parker said. F*ck them. 'dh' was the only abc show I watched after dropping boston legal and grey's anatomy for their agendas.

27 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:22am

I heard the Levin show. The grilling she got as a VP candidate was appalling. You'd think she was the presidential candidate the way he was hitting at her. I still believe she held her own admirably. She should be able to dismantle Biden easily in a debate.

28 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:36am

re: #19 Pianobuff
Ya think? That'd be a hoot.

29 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:43am

Anybody know any undecideds that saw the interviews? Reaction from them?

30 Reno911  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:49am

re: #21 seekeroftruth

1) Thank you for posting this Charles.
2) Shame on ABC ! This is a disgrace to the entire MSM to treat any Vice presidential candidate in this manner.
3) And then, the big question.....will anyone in the MSM ask The Messiah, the one running for PRESIDENT, any of this questions?

To your #3.

That would be a big negatory.

31 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:17:54am

re: #23 anotherindyfilmguy

And THAT'S where all the white women at!

/wanted to post that in the "white women +20% for Palin" thread but that already went quiet.

32 Opinionated  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:18:12am

I just read the Levin full transcript and all I can say is WOW.

How can they be so blatant?

33 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:18:23am

re: #11 nyc redneck

we are witnessing the death throes of the msm at their own hands.

I wish they'd hurry up and die already. We've been predicting their demise for eons but they still rise from the grave every night to suck blood and eat brains. I think SS money (Soros and Saudi) is propping them up.

34 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:18:38am

The thing Sarah Palin has to do is maintain her composure regardless of how ridiculous they are.
From what I've seen, I believe she can.

35 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:18:43am

I'm not surprised ... the video was amateurishly edited ... This is right out of Stalin's play book.

36 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:19:07am

From HotAir:

Obama interview (3 months ago with Gibson):

How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

Palin interview:
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

37 ratherdashing  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:19:51am

Maybe Charlie Gibson reminded a few women of their husband's divorce attorney.

38 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:20:01am

McCain's bounce still holds.....
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows John McCain with 49% of the vote while Barack Obama attracts support from 46%. That is unchanged from yesterday and a complete reversal over the past week.
...
Sarah Palin is viewed favorably by 56%, Joe Biden by 53%.
39 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:20:06am

Given the treatment of Governor Palin over the last two weeks, this should come as no surprise. Remember, Hussein will owe them BIG-TIME if the MSM can make him president.

However, I have faith in the native intelligence of the American people, to send this empty suit back to the senate.

40 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:20:23am

re: #11 nyc redneck

we are witnessing the death throes of the msm at their own hands.

From you lips to God's ear...

41 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:20:28am

re: #37 ratherdashingMwhahaha! That's gonna leave a mark!

42 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:20:41am

the gibson/obama interview here
questions asked:
How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to win?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech
the gibson/palin interview here.
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
-Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

Notice the difference

43 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:21:02am

re: #25 pingjockey

If you get the wire services calling you out, y'all got trouble in unicorn land. The Faeries......are....coming home......to roost!

Mmmmmmm fairy meat. ;)

44 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:21:17am

re: #38 Killgore Trout
Where did they find the 53% brain dead?

45 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:21:50am

re: #42 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks for posting that. It's almost comical.

46 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:22:09am

re: #2 newsjunkie_ky

abc did a hit job on my daughter a few years ago on gma. ole charlie had to appologize on air to her two days later.
they edited the interview to suit their agenda.

they did the same thing to me. i was interviewed on tv abt. a disaster that had destroyed property in my neighborhood.
the reporter finished up his basic questions and then asked me "what will you do now?" i said,"oh, well work it out."
he frowned and asked me again, "what will you do now?" i said, "we'll figure it out."
he asked me that question 10 times. finally i said, "i don't know what you're after from me." he said, "that's fine". the interview ended and when it ran on the news that night, that devious creep had deleted the last words oof my sentence and all i said into the camera was "i don't know". and my annoyance at this buffoon read like desperation.
it was a small deception but very telling to me.

47 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:22:24am

The grilling on Palin's religious views are interesting.

I never knew there was a religious test to be President, let alone Vice President. Curious though that no one has truly questioned Obama along those lines based on his 20 year relationship with Jeremiah Wright, whose odious pontifications are hate-America spewage in their raw form.

48 seekeroftruth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:22:43am

re: #30 Reno911

To your #3.

That would be a big negatory.

I agree. It is a disgrace seeing Obama, presidential candidate, get halos and fawning, fluffy questions by the MSM, and the vice presidential candidate get her children smeared and interviews distorted by by biased MSM editing. All because of what letter they have after their name: R or D.

49 jetprop  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:22:47am

Thanks for posting, Charles.

Looks like ABC cut out the parts that make her look knowledgeable, reasonable, and Reaganesque.

/ABC=idiotarians

50 guzziguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:22:57am

The media is biased against Republicans?

Who knew?

/It's past time for some REAL confrontation.

51 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:00am

re: #43 BlueCanuck

Ewwwww!

52 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:16am

Gibson and Geraldo should switch jobs. Gibson can try to perch his glasses on the end of his nose in a 150 m.p.h. wind, and Geraldo would do a better job with the Gov. Palin interview.

It's a win-win.

53 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:20am

re: #47 lawhawk

The grilling on Palin's religious views are interesting.

I never knew there was a religious test to be President, let alone Vice President. Curious though that no one has truly questioned Obama along those lines based on his 20 year relationship with Jeremiah Wright, whose odious pontifications are hate-America spewage in their raw form.

Heh.
That would be racist ...

54 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:30am

re: #36 Pianobuff

Bais? What bias?

55 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:39am

re: #33 Tigger2005

I wish they'd hurry up and die already. We've been predicting their demise for eons but they still rise from the grave every night to suck blood and eat brains. I think SS money (Soros and Saudi) is propping them up.

everyday they get closer to their last breath.

56 jemima  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:40am

They know they can't win by playing fair/being decent so they cheat.

I used to work at ABC. I once told the producer I made a habit of praying. He said "And then what happens?" I said I felt better, more at peace. He looked at me like I was crazy. This from a guy who locked himself in his office, drank about 6 bottles of vodka and the NYFD had to come and break down the door to get him out.

Imagine the ever-present hell these people live in.

57 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:23:46am

re: #44 pingjockey

Biden is a non-entity. He doesn't really do or say anything that anybody pay attention to. Nobody writes about him or wants to interview him. The public just doesn't know anything about him one way or the other.

58 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:24:11am

Looks like they've swallowed hook, line and two smoking barrels...

59 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:24:12am

You could fly a lead kite in Dallas right now.

Bias? Media? Ludicrous.

/They do think we are all fools, don't they?

60 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:24:14am

re: #42 newsjunkie_ky

But he's not ready for the hard questions yet!

61 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:24:30am

After McCain/Palin are elected, I think they should just simply bypass the MSM. It's time. There are plenty of other ways to communicate with the American people.

How often did American Presidents do interviews with TASS or Pravda? It's the same thing.

Simply ban the MSM from interviews and press conferences until they can show themselves to be objective and nonpartisan by asking the same tough questions of Democratic candidiates.

62 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:24:39am

re: #26 newsjunkie_ky

Yep, I used to watch desperate houswives but after what eva l. parker said. F*ck them. 'dh' was the only abc show I watched after dropping boston legal and grey's anatomy for their agendas.

My wife is able to watch those shows even tough her political views and mine are the same. She is able to disconnect so to speak she says they are only tv shows. Needless to say she records them and watches when I am not around.
I have found that if by some miracle the bozos in hollywood come up with a good idea for a tv show , they cannot help but screw it up after a few shows by letting their political views creep into the writing.

63 cannadian club akbar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:01am

I went from hating ABC to straight up despise.

64 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:07am

re: #57 Killgore Trout

He's a vicious hack of the first water. A condescending asshole with a snarky attitude.

65 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:09am

Myself, I believe that ABC ought to be forced to air the entire interview - without interruptions. And I don't watch TV.

66 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:22am

It's become increasingly clear the the msm takes it's role as the media wing of the democratic party quite seriously- to the point where average Americans are waking up to the blatant bias to the tune of 7 out of 10. It would be nice if they would just drop the pretenses and openly state they are for 0bama and all democrats.

67 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:28am

re: #32 Opinionated

I just read the Levin full transcript and all I can say is WOW.

How can they be so blatant?

They've decided to go all out for Obama. They figure that if they win it won't matter what they look like to the public because he'll regulate their opposition out of existence.

68 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:25:36am

re: #47 lawhawk

As I recall my constitution, the religious test is specifically forbidden.

69 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:26:20am

re: #63 cannadian club akbar

I went from hating ABC to straight up despise.

Loathe? Revile? Abhor?

70 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:26:31am

ABC News' Web site has close to 4,000 comments so far on the interview, and people are posting the link to the NewsBusters story. The majority of the posters are ripping ABC, with some Dems mixed in, saying how Palin's either ugly, ignorant, or evil.

71 Wild Knight  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:27:15am

These fools never learn. If their notion of running an electoral campaign is to keep trying these backfiring stunts, I'll never see another Democratic president in my life. Good.

72 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:27:18am

re: #11 nyc redneck

we are witnessing the death throes of the msm at their own hands.

Suicide by angry voter.

73 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:27:39am

re: #70 Ward Cleaver
Those last 3 descriptors apply to the harpies on the view. Except Elizabeth of course.

74 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:27:53am

re: #70 Ward Cleaver

well, she's obviously not ugly; she doesn't appear to be ignorant, and the demoncraps would certainly know evil.

75 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:28:17am

re: #70 Ward Cleaver

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.

76 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:01am

re: #75 laZardo
Shhhhh.....There's a mole.

77 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:05am

re: #65 Cap'n DOC

Myself, I believe that ABC ought to be forced to air the entire interview - without interruptions. And I don't watch TV.

Thats what I was thinking too. Though I wonder if it will get the same time slot?

78 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:14am

re: #75 laZardo


i believe it was posted on the web.

79 shiek al beif salami  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:15am

Off topic:

"US Marine Corps: Organizing communities around the world since 1775."

80 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:18am

re: #75 laZardo

Somebody with integrity?

81 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:29am

re: #75 laZardo

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.

Someone who still believes in real journalism at ABC, and is sick at the hatchet job.

82 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:29:54am

re: #62 kcladderman

My wife is able to watch those shows even tough her political views and mine are the same. She is able to disconnect so to speak she says they are only tv shows. Needless to say she records them and watches when I am not around.
I have found that if by some miracle the bozos in hollywood come up with a good idea for a tv show , they cannot help but screw it up after a few shows by letting their political views creep into the writing.

Yeah, the "Law & Order" shows were terrible for that.

I've seen some of it in the CSI shows as well, although I haven't watched them for a while. I wonder if Gary Sinise fights to keep political crap out of the CSI:NY scripts.

83 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:30:10am

re: #75 laZardo

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.

No one's going to hurt you here, because that is a good question. I don't want to know the answer though, it might expose a mole inside ABC.

84 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:30:30am

my husband, who doesn't really follow politics, watched the interview and said gibson was an arrogant prick. that just based on how he treated a woman.
(any woman, not just sarah specifically)

85 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:30:36am

re: #77 kcladderman

PRIME.TIME. Whatever that is. Preempt their Fall BlockbusterBullshit for all I care.

86 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:30:46am

re: #46 nyc redneck

Good Gawd, what a buffoon.
I have not trusted the media to tell the story correctly for over 30 years. I worked in it, my ex wrote for two MAJOR US papers and I saw the distortions, recuts, edits, and out and out lies the media do to support their agenda.
Never (when I have know ahead of time what the REAL story was) have the media ever gotten the story right.

87 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:30:47am

Well I gotta say that the only real surprise here is the UPI - and you know how bad ABC had to be for UPI to call 'em on it.

88 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:06am

re: #82 Tigger2005

I watched a CSI Vegas re-run...the victim in that episode got killed for threatening to reveal that a Pulitzer-winning photograph was really fauxtography.

89 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:11am

Who SHOULD she have given the interview?

Charlie Rose, clearly, best interviewer on TV.

Brit Hume.

George Will?

What's the name of that long-time CBS reporter, Greek woman, gets a weekend gig now and then, always liked her, blanking on her name now, Andrea (?) K*?

Even George Stephanopoulos would have been fairer and less blatent than Gibson.

This really sucked.

If McCain wins, I hope he uses eminent domain to seize Disney World and convert it to military use (Disney owns ABC).

90 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:13am

re: #62 kcladderman

My wife is able to watch those shows even tough her political views and mine are the same. She is able to disconnect so to speak she says they are only tv shows. Needless to say she records them and watches when I am not around.
I have found that if by some miracle the bozos in hollywood come up with a good idea for a tv show , they cannot help but screw it up after a few shows by letting their political views creep into the writing.

Very good point, I've noticed that too. Which is why I've stopped watching most tv except for an occasional movie.

Seems kinda dumb if you thnk about it. Shooting yourself in the foot and alienating your audience because you can't help pushing your ideology on everybody.

91 mamashawna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:31am

That's one of the first things I said to my 14 year old son as we watched that interview....Who edited this? It was OBVIOUS! Not only did it jump around a lot, the audio was just slightly off from the video. At points, she was louder on audio when the scene was clipped, and it wasn't synched.

I've had some worry's this past week, and wonder if anyone else is thinking along these lines:

Obama is plummeting in the polls. The PUMAS are PISSED. The dems are whining that Obambi has to DO SOMETHING. Then, all of a sudden, we start getting little inklings of Hillary....Obambi has lunch with Bill Clinton, Joe Biden states that she might have been a better pick. Then yesterday on Rush's show, he quotes a NEW YORK TIMES article that lists all the Biden gaffes. This set off alarm bells in my head. I think they are slowly building up the notion that Biden steps down, and in steps Hillary to save the day. October surprise? Am I thinking too much here?
Is Obambi's ego too much to accept Hillary, or will his desire to win overstep his ego? Would it work? Would the public see this as weakness, or see it as a 'wise' admission of a mistake and willingness to correct his errors?

Random thoughts for a Saturday morning in the great northwest. Now I's gots to go get some baby back ribs going....

92 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:41am

re: #87 realwest

REAL. I replied.

93 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:49am

Watching the KHOU-11 live feed again on one of our local HD secondary channels (8.2), showing the windows blown out of skycrapers in downtown Houston. Not all, just where tall buildings are close together (wind tunnel effect). Waiting for the rain to get here in the Dallas area.

94 legalpad  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:31:54am

Didn't the ABC morons know they would be found out? How can they be that stupid?

95 blue sky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:32:30am

There will be a new video out, hosted by Sarah Palin.

She was inspired after seeing this undercover glimpse of Barry's war room.

96 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:32:59am

re: #75 laZardo

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.

Maybe it was leaked by somebody at ABC? Somebody who didn't like how she was treated.

97 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:05am

re: #74 dave in NC

well, she's obviously not ugly; she doesn't appear to be ignorant, and the demoncraps would certainly know evil.

Nope! It's all relative. Good and evil are the same.

98 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:16am

re: #90 vapig

Very good point, I've noticed that too. Which is why I've stopped watching most tv except for an occasional movie.

Seems kinda dumb if you thnk about it. Shooting yourself in the foot and alienating your audience because you can't help pushing your ideology on everybody.

If you want some good stuff, Tom Selleck in the last few years has produced some Western movies, and the Jessie Stone police dramas. All very good stuff.

99 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:18am

re: #94 legalpad

Didn't the ABC morons know they would be found out? How can they be that stupid?

They hope the initial reaction will outweigh the backlash.

100 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:46am

re: #72 The Other Les
Yep. I predict that a McCain/Palin win - big enough in both electoral and popular vote to avoid any cries of stolen elections, will be the absolute death knell of the MSM.

101 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:51am

It's fascinating that suddenly the role of the Vice President is supposed to be highly versed in foreign affairs when the only Constitutional role of the Vice President is to preside over the Senate and cast a vote in the case of a tie.

Suddenly, it's incumbent on Vice Presidential candidates to be versed in foreign affairs when former Presidential candidates from Gubernatorial backgrounds had likewise not met heads of state.

In other words- the msm is moving the goal posts here because they think it will sink Governor Palin and the McCain campaign. They are low down dirty rats, and I'm sorry for offending rats.

102 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:33:52am

re: #94 legalpad

Didn't the ABC morons know they would be found out? How can they be that stupid?

Being a self-appointed superior being means never having to really think about what you're doing.

103 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:34:01am

And over the selective reporting of the interview, the San Francisco newspaper runs the header, on the front page above the fold, "Palin says war with Russia possible."

104 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:34:11am

re: #88 laZardo

I watched a CSI Vegas re-run...the victim in that episode got killed for threatening to reveal that a Pulitzer-winning photograph was really fauxtography.

Wow, they've been reading LGF!

105 musicman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:34:30am

Yet another reason I REFUSE to watch anything but FOX NEWS. (Local coverage exception)

106 MARedneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:34:41am

NYT is going after McCain now, taking their cues from hard-hitting The View.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

107 kawfytawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:11am

re: #94 legalpad

Didn't the ABC morons know they would be found out? How can they be that stupid?

Because they are that arrogant

108 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:18am

Perhaps the Rs should only do live interviews from now on

109 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #62 kcladderman

My wife is able to watch those shows even tough her political views and mine are the same. She is able to disconnect so to speak she says they are only tv shows. Needless to say she records them and watches when I am not around.
I have found that if by some miracle the bozos in hollywood come up with a good idea for a tv show , they cannot help but screw it up after a few shows by letting their political views creep into the writing.

The only thing I watch on ABC is "Pushing Daisies," which is totally charming and apolitical. However, I had this problem with "Bones," which I used to enjoy despite the preposterous forensics going on. When the radical left conspiracy theorist trust fund baby started spouting off about the Bush administration, and the one religious character was depicted as a dope, I just gave up.

110 JimmyTheClaw  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:33am

breaking major train wreck in los angeles

111 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:34am

re: #82 Tigger2005

Yeah, the "Law & Order" shows were terrible for that.

I've seen some of it in the CSI shows as well, although I haven't watched them for a while. I wonder if Gary Sinise fights to keep political crap out of the CSI:NY scripts.

Yes Law and Order was by far the worst.

112 guzziguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:34am

Just another attempt to ignite the gas tank.

In 1993 an NBC reporter was fired for staging an on-air low-speed collision in which a GM vehicle's gas tank burst into flames. GM investigators using the film were able to prove that the fire was triggered manually. NBC settled with GM. Guess who then hired the liar? That's right ABC. Apparently since then he's been providing reporter inservice training for them.

MSM & ABC Too stupid to cheat correctly, but they keep on trying.

113 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:50am

re: #75 laZardo

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.


from the abc website.

114 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:51am

re: #105 musicman

Fox has its own issues, and the best recipe for finding out what's going on is to check multiple sources... aggregators of sources from all over the world...

115 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:35:59am

re: #103 Ojoe

And over the selective reporting of the interview, the San Francisco newspaper runs the header, on the front page above the fold, "Palin says war with Russia possible."


Scum. It is true that such a war is possible but to report it as they do makes them lower than shit.

116 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:04am

re: #108 Ojoe

Perhaps the Rs should only do live interviews from now on

That's not a bad idea.

117 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:04am

re: #98 jcm

If you want some good stuff, Tom Selleck in the last few years has produced some Western movies, and the Jessie Stone police dramas. All very good stuff.

Thanks! I'll look for them. I've pretty much been limiting myself to Hallmark Channel with some Project Runway thrown in.

118 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:07am

The NY Times IS NOT a reliable news source.

119 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:25am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

breaking major train wreck in los angeles

Um that was 4:00PM yesterday.

But the casualties list is just getting out, they're having a news conference.

120 jorline  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:28am

re: #93 Ward Cleaver

Watching the KHOU-11 live feed again on one of our local HD secondary channels (8.2), showing the windows blown out of skycrapers in downtown Houston. Not all, just where tall buildings are close together (wind tunnel effect). Waiting for the rain to get here in the Dallas area.

Sounds like you'll receive a fair amount of rain and winds, Ward...be safe!

121 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:31am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

breaking major train wreck in los angeles

Where in Los Angeles?

122 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:38am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

breaking major train wreck in los angeles

Yesterday, during the commute.
SoCal train wreck toll rises to 17, with 135 hurt

123 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:42am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

breaking major train wreck in los angeles

And at the DNC.

124 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:43am

A further example of how the left suffers from Palin Derangement Syndrome: Randi Rhodes' latest unhinged rant.

It's pretty sick, but you have to see this to believe it.

125 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:44am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw
another one?

126 ladycatnip  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:49am

#27 vapig

I heard the Levin show. The grilling she got as a VP candidate was appalling. You'd think she was the presidential candidate the way he was hitting at her. I still believe she held her own admirably. She should be able to dismantle Biden easily in a debate.

I think you're on to something here. The Gibson interview was sort of a quickie boot camp in preparation for the debates. She sailed past Gibson just fine, only making him look a misogynistic crusty old coot.

This has definitely backfired on Charlie, and educated Sarah.

127 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:36:49am

re: #103 Ojoe

And over the selective reporting of the interview, the San Francisco newspaper runs the header, on the front page above the fold, "Palin says war with Russia possible."

Hasn't every president since, well, Truman said that as well, if we want to be technical about it.

What these rats should be reporting is that Obama stated that his administration has ruled out the use of nuclear weapons, and that they are off the table. That's the travesty.

128 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:09am

the best move for the msm is to report the news objectively, no matter what.
the public will decide.
now they seek to manipulate and fail to remember they don't have a monopoly.
all the msm does is look bad and their deception doesn't work.
if they reported fairly, they would at least have a semblance of dignity.
at this point, people despise them.
and we are inclined to move away, on principle, from what they are selling.

129 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:29am

BRING YOUR OWN CAMERA
HOW SARAH CAN FIGHT BACK

I posted this earlier and it applies. Glenn Reynolds in the NYPost.

130 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #118 pingjockey

For that, you must go to the Weekly World News, "World's only reliable newspaper".

131 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:44am

And the good news is:

we are the death of the old media. i haven't used the moron box for probably 20 years. Yes, I'm out of it, and proud of that. get my information from the web, and avoid PMSNBC like the plague. my wife and i were talking last night about how we had no idea what people were talking about when they referenced Seinfeld, and have never seen any of the csi bull***t shows; i work with a medium sized city police department (500 sworn) and i can tell you, there are very few times any fingerprints or DNA are left at a crime scene.

132 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:56am

re: #91 mamashawna

There is no way - none - that Hillary would board the sinking ship.

133 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:37:57am

re: #117 vapig

Thanks! I'll look for them. I've pretty much been limiting myself to Hallmark Channel with some Project Runway thrown in.

Here's some.....
Jesse Stone: Thin Ice (2008) (TV) (post-production) (executive producer)
Jesse Stone: Sea Change (2007) (TV) (executive producer)
Jesse Stone: Death in Paradise (2006) (TV) (executive producer) (producer)
Jesse Stone: Night Passage (2006) (TV) (executive producer) (producer)
Stone Cold (2005) (TV) (executive producer)
... aka Robert B. Parker's Stone Cold (UK: complete title) (USA: complete title)
... aka Jesse Stone: Stone Cold (USA: long title)
Monte Walsh (2003) (TV) (executive producer)
Crossfire Trail (2001) (TV) (executive producer)
... aka Louis L'Amour's 'Crossfire Trail' (USA)
Last Stand at Saber River (1997) (TV) (executive producer)

134 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:38:03am

re: #91 mamashawna

Well,

Is Obambi's ego too much to accept Hillary, or will his desire to win overstep his ego? Would it work? Would the public see this as weakness, or see it as a 'wise' admission of a mistake and willingness to correct his errors?

I stand by my comment on today's DT (#474) regarding whether or not Hillary would accept second place on an Obama ticket: I think that if the wheels keep falling off Obama's truck, Hillary might be tempted to join a "losing cause" so she can pick up a lot of chips for her run in 2012. If it looks like Obama may still pull it out, I don't think she'd take second place on the ticket.

135 markx  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:38:18am

I get a mental imagine of Gibson, with his hands over his ears, going,"La-la-la-la-la ..."

This is not surprising. However, if I were running the campaign for the McCain, I would demand only live interviews. This is why conservatives can just not allow themselves to be interviewed by MSM on their terms.

136 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:38:37am

re: #116 Sharmuta

That runs into issues of its own - when saying something off the cuff can result in blowback (recall what Noonan and the other nitwit said off the air about the Palin pick).

There are pros and cons of doing in the can interviews. However, editing out key details that would show proficiency and good judgment by the politician is just flat out bias. Interviews also have dead air time and moments that don't exactly make for good tv. Some edits are essential, but the media should make the whole tape available.

137 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:38:40am

re: #124 Dianna
She really needs to be put someplace where folks can keep an eye on her. She's mad enough to do herself an injury.

138 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:38:40am

re: #122 jcm

Yesterday, during the commute.
SoCal train wreck toll rises to 17, with 135 hurt

Thanks for the link.
How awful.

139 obscured by clouds  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:39:24am

THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY.

140 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:39:28am

re: #132 Dianna

There is no way - none - that Hillary would board the sinking ship.

I agree- and it would likewise reflect so poorly on 0bama (that he can't make good, important executive decisions) that his campaign would be over. What American wants a second guesser as CiC?

141 legalpad  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:39:35am

re: #47 lawhawk

The left likes to pretend that it has already been conceded that adhering to their ideology is qualification for public office.

142 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:39:41am

re: #130 Ojoe
Ahahahahaha! Or the Enquirer.

143 Rageman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:39:45am

We GOTTA get out the vote. If these guys are at the helm and controlling the media and the congress....yikes.

144 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:16am

re: #82 Tigger2005

Yeah, the "Law & Order" shows were terrible for that.

I've seen some of it in the CSI shows as well, although I haven't watched them for a while. I wonder if Gary Sinise fights to keep political crap out of the CSI:NY scripts.

Bruckheimer is a conservative I think? Or a McCain supporter,

145 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:18am

re: #124 Dianna
Ah if it comes from that drunk Randi Rhodes, I don't have to (and don't want to) see it, thank you just the same.
These people are genuinely mentally ILL.

146 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:37am

re: #143 Rageman

We GOTTA get out the vote. If these guys are at the helm and controlling the media and the congress....yikes.

Then we need to volunteer our time to help with that effort.

147 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:39am

re: #94 legalpad

Didn't the ABC morons know they would be found out? How can they be that stupid?

HUBRIS.

148 JimmyTheClaw  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:51am

oops i just heard of it it happened last night

149 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:52am

re: #137 pingjockey
That too! LOL!
How are you doing this afternoon ping?

150 vapig  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:40:54am

re: #127 NC State of Mind

Hasn't every president since, well, Truman said that as well, if we want to be technical about it.

What these rats should be reporting is that Obama stated that his administration has ruled out the use of nuclear weapons, and that they are off the table. That's the travesty.

Or that he wants to invade Pakistan.

151 jorline  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:20am

re: #124 Dianna

A further example of how the left suffers from Palin Derangement Syndrome: Randi Rhodes' latest unhinged rant.

It's pretty sick, but you have to see this to believe it.

This woman has sever mental problems...where did she come up with the sleeping with teen boys? Have we reached a point in time when you can say ANYTHING you want and not be held accountable?

152 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:23am

re: #138 J.D.

Thanks for the link.
How awful.

Three-car commuter train head-on with freight at about 40mph around a curve. About 18 casualties at the scene, dozens more in critical shape. Wall to wall coverage in Los Angeles yesterday from 4:00PM through 11:00PM, they underplayed the death toll the whole time.

153 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:34am

re: #106 MARedneck

NYT is going after McCain now, taking their cues from hard-hitting The View.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Nobody reads that rag anymore?

154 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:51am

Who's surprised? Show of hands? ...anyone... anyone...

/crickets

155 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:51am

re: #101 Sharmuta

It's fascinating that suddenly the role of the Vice President is supposed to be highly versed in foreign affairs when the only Constitutional role of the Vice President is to preside over the Senate and cast a vote in the case of a tie.

Suddenly, it's incumbent on Vice Presidential candidates to be versed in foreign affairs when former Presidential candidates from Gubernatorial backgrounds had likewise not met heads of state.

In other words- the msm is moving the goal posts here because they think it will sink Governor Palin and the McCain campaign. They are low down dirty rats, and I'm sorry for offending rats.

Not only that, they keep comparing Palin to Obama. I guess they know there is no possibility to make the least comparison with Obama and McCain. Too bad for them that Palin is far more qualified than BHO—they are left to making wild unsubstantiated accusations to try to create doubt among voters.

156 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:54am

re: #106 MARedneck

From the link:

“I think the McCain folks realize if they can get this thing down in the mud, drag Obama into the mud, that’s where they have the best advantage to win,” said Matthew Dowd, who worked with many top McCain campaign advisers when he was President Bush’s chief strategist in the 2004 campaign, but who has since had a falling out with the White House. “If they stay up at 10,000 feet, they don’t.”

Ummm. Ain't that where the obamessiah started? At the Bill Ayers mudpit?

157 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:41:59am

The media is frantic trying to grill Palin mercilessly in the hopes she will drop out. Aint gonna happen.

It will backfire in two ways:
1. Most Americans see right through this sham.
2. It will make Sarah Palin look stronger.

158 mamashawna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:00am

re: #132 Dianna

Lord I hope so!

159 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:29am

Wait a minute. The interview I heard had every one of those bolded and underlined "excerpts" in it. We were all talking about the "exact words" comment as the interview was being broadcast.

Did anyone see an interview where those parts were edited out?

160 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:34am

re: #131 dave in NC

To be perfectly fair, I like the puzzles.

It struck me a few years ago that every show I watch with any regularity involves puzzles, and that's why I like them.

161 BrianA  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:38am

Gibson just couldn't stand the thought of being called a soft-baller by the rest of the LLLMSM. It's amazing to watch these morons throw whatever credibility they have right out the window for all to see.

162 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:41am

re: #129 J.D.

BRING YOUR OWN CAMERA
HOW SARAH CAN FIGHT BACK

I posted this earlier and it applies. Glenn Reynolds in the NYPost.


Every Republican should do that.
I agree with whoever said to bypass the msm and go directly to the people. Use the bully pulpit. Something Bush, unfortunately, did not do enough of to set his record straight.

163 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:43:57am

There's one thing that the demented Troofers do well. Ambush interviews that are then posted to YouTube. Somewone _really_ needs to start ambushing turds like Gibson.

"Mr. Gibson? Why did you edit your interview to change the meanings of what Gov. Palin was saying?"

"Mr. Gibson, did you know before or after the interview that your statement "Exact Words" was a lie?"

"Mr. Gibson, when are you going to stop lying to the American people?"

And watch the bastige squirm.

164 Jinx  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:44:05am

I've chatted with "insiders" and they are all so damned biased they don't realize they are. To them, their opinions are what "normal" Americans think, or should think--and that is what should terrify. They are supposed to be journalists that hold themselves to the highest ethical standards and seek truth regardless of where it is. But they aren't. They only want to justify their point of view and are doing so at any cost. Even if the public sees through their bias and is actually turning away from them.

The msm is hurting. They don't even realize why. Recently there was a poll that asked if the public thought the media was biased. It came back showing the public overwhelmingly believes the media is biased to the left. The American people are not stupid. We may do stupid things, but we are not stupid.

But back to the campaigns. I see an interesting affect with McCain using Palin as the VP. The contest has now turned into Obama vs Palin. The two "old men" have slipped off camera, so to speak. In comparison to Palin, there is very little coverage about McCain. This is a little disturbing. It shouldn't be that way. McCain should be in the forefront since he is the person running for President, not Palin. I think there are several points of interest in that alone. 1) It shows that McCain didn't hold that much attraction with Republicans. 2) Palin really ignited a tepid Republican base. 3) The Democrats and, more importantly, the left are so frightened of Palin they don't know what to do but slime and attack in such ways as to prove their hypocrisy.

At least McCain is playing it smart and appearing with Palin at every opportunity. At least he understands enough about politics to ride coattails of a rising star.

165 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:44:15am

re: #152 itellu3times

Three-car commuter train head-on with freight at about 40mph around a curve. About 18 casualties at the scene, dozens more in critical shape. Wall to wall coverage in Los Angeles yesterday from 4:00PM through 11:00PM, they underplayed the death toll the whole time.

I never saw anything about it and I was watching Ike on the news all evening, off and on.
I've had it with them all, pretty much.

166 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:44:17am

re: #149 realwest
Jes' fine RW. Laughing at the Darwin Award finalist on the msm doing hurricane reporting. Got laundry going so I can have free time for NFL tomorrow. Gorgous fall day. High into the 80s, no clouds. It's 9:42 PDT and the wife is tearing her hair out trying to make a flag drill team routine to "Iron Man". All is okay here in the Pacific Northwest. How are you and your mom doing?

167 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:44:37am

re: #151 jorline

Evidently. At least if you're on the left.

No, I don't understand why she said that. It's just...one of those really creepy pieces of projection.

168 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:44:42am

Shocka!

169 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:03am

Well time for me to get going, laundry is done and I have to get out of the house for a couple hours. See you folks all later on.

170 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:15am

Howdy.

Have we heard in from Texas lizards?

Looks pretty bad in Ike-affected areas, although it's always hard to parse through the usual media hysteria.

171 musicman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:16am

re: #114 lawhawk

Fox has its own issues, and the best recipe for finding out what's going on is to check multiple sources... aggregators of sources from all over the world...

In instances of the television viewing it is Fox, (Still fairer and balanced than another cable news network) the rest I get comes from multiple sources here on the net. As a matter of fact it started here with the infamous throbbing memo.

172 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:22am

re: #156 Cap'n DOC

From the link:

Ummm. Ain't that where the obamessiah started? At the Bill Ayers mudpit?

The Obamessiah is omnipotent and omnipresent, he is 10000 feet in the air. Calling him out on his "inaccuracies" when the MSM won't is mud slinging ...

173 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:26am

ADDENDUM to my #84 - it's not just UPI - yesterday on Fox Today, Chris Wallace really stuck it to Gibson, talking about the horrible editing, which was only cleaned up a little bit for the replay, how Gibson "had his eyeglasses at the end of his nose, looking down on Sarah Palin as if he were the headmaster of some school demanding a student justify her attendence at that school" and other comments as well.
Chris reminded me of his father from 30-40 years ago; he really ripped ABC a good one for that "interview" and said he thought Palin did a pretty good job in that interrogation, er, interview!

174 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:28am

Not even the PUMAs are buying the VP switch rumor.

175 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:45:50am

re: #170 Occasional Reader
FNC says 4 million plus w/o power!

176 musicman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:46:12am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

And at the DNC.

LOL!

177 mamashawna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:46:30am

re: #134 realwest

Interesting. Didn't think of that, that's why I love this site so much! And Sharmuta, thanks for your input, also. Now I feel better and can go out and get some work done in the shop. Self employed and SWAMPED with work! Another weekend working....oh well. Better than no work and no $$$!

178 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:46:34am

re: #162 newsjunkie_ky

I agree with whoever said to bypass the msm and go directly to the people. Use the bully pulpit. Something Bush, unfortunately, did not do enough of to set his record straight.


Agreed.
In his defense, he was busier than, for instance, his predecessor (I mean, strictly in a Presidential way)...but still, it would have helped.

179 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:46:44am

re: #113 newsjunkie_ky

That's the Barack Obama interview...

180 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:46:54am

re: #152 itellu3times

Three-car commuter train head-on with freight at about 40mph around a curve. About 18 casualties at the scene, dozens more in critical shape. Wall to wall coverage in Los Angeles yesterday from 4:00PM through 11:00PM, they underplayed the death toll the whole time.

They probably didn't have firm count. The firefighters would have left the confirmed dead behind to work on the injured. Also the front end was crushed they would have left difficult extractions in that section till all the injured where rescued before committing resource to heavy extractions of the dead.

181 jemima  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:05am

This whole situation is remarkable. You would struggle to remember who the VP candidates were, or VP in any administration, over the past 100 years. Who was Calvin Coolidge's VP (don't look it up). Suddenly Sarah Palin is more important to destroy than McCain. Why? Because she's obviously a future President of the United States of America. Conservatism will have a rebirth and the left will be so screwed.

182 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:14am

re: #170 Occasional Reader
Good afternoon O.R. - LGFer jorline checked in from Corpus Christi and said they had very light winds and practically no rain from Ike, but he was worried about Big Steve who, iirc, is from Houston.

183 tokyobk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:23am

The real person whose ass this bites is Biden. He goes into the VP debate in a terible position; damned if he comes out swinging, damned if he doesn't. I always thought she would kick his tired butt anyway, but now he is toast.

BTW, I also thought of the scary undead Hillary scenario but there is no way she is going to save Obama and ruin her next good shot at President.

You can see that fox smile on Bill when he says Obama is going to win by a blowout, sure you are kid, sure you are.

184 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:23am

re: #173 realwest

Real...check my #92.

185 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:32am

re: #124 Dianna

A further example of how the left suffers from Palin Derangement Syndrome: Randi Rhodes' latest unhinged rant.

It's pretty sick, but you have to see this to believe it.

Randi's drinking buddy.

186 Syrah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:47:35am

re: #140 Sharmuta

I agree- and it would likewise reflect so poorly on 0bama (that he can't make good, important executive decisions) that his campaign would be over. What American wants a second guesser as CiC?

I wonder if Biden is considering jumping ship. It may be that the Obama camp will have their hands full keeping him on board till the end.

187 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:48:11am
PALIN: You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote.

GIBSON: Exact words.

That was in the interview I heard. So was this.

these last couple of weeks … it has been overwhelming to me that confirmation of the message that Americans are getting sick and tired of that self-dealing and kind of that closed door, good old boy network that has been the Washington elite

So was everything else in this transcript.

188 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:48:21am

re: #164 Jinx

In comparison to Palin, there is very little coverage about McCain. This is a little disturbing. It shouldn't be that way. McCain should be in the forefront since he is the person running for President, not Palin.

Perhaps that's why the campaign has chosen to keep them together.

189 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:48:22am

Hannity will be interviewing Sarah next week.

I thought she did a great job last night.

190 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:48:48am

re: #180 jcm
Somebody is in a world of trouble. How in hell did a freightrain get on the same track as regularly sceduled commuter run? Or, how did the commuter train get put onto the freight track?

191 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:03am

re: #179 laZardo

Look upthread the Palin interview was posted.
Quit fighting it.

192 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:08am

re: #131 dave in NC

Great point on the DNA / Latent solutions. As a former detective in a same size department during the 70's and 80's we did the old fashion way. Investigation ....

PS- The first time I saw CSI I fell out of my chair laughing - When's the last time you saw a CSI command the scene and conduct the interviews.

193 kawfytawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:27am

re: #170 Occasional Reader

Howdy.

Have we heard in from Texas lizards?

Looks pretty bad in Ike-affected areas, although it's always hard to parse through the usual media hysteria.

I live in the waco area and it has started getting pretty gusty and rainy....was hoping for more rain than this since we had such a dry summer but looks like Ike is going to Paris TX instead. Actually making a tight turn at Corsicana/ We will get only the outer bands brushing by us.

194 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:31am

re: #183 tokyobk

Yeah, leftist political rule #1- never trust a Clinton.

195 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:46am

re: #180 jcm

They probably didn't have firm count. The firefighters would have left the confirmed dead behind to work on the injured. Also the front end was crushed they would have left difficult extractions in that section till all the injured where rescued before committing resource to heavy extractions of the dead.

The commuter locomotive was pushed almost entirely through the first passenger car.

You should have heard - the local TV anchors were questioning a railroad official woman spokesperson, where was the commuter engine, was it pushing or pulling, does the engine also have passenger seats? Spokesperson finally says, no seats on the engine, if you don't see it, it's because it was pushed entirely through. Silence.

196 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:51am

re: #194 Sharmuta

Yeah, leftist political rule #1- never trust a Clinton.

Everybody knows that.

197 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:50:33am

re: #190 pingjockey

Somebody is in a world of trouble. How in hell did a freightrain get on the same track as regularly sceduled commuter run? Or, how did the commuter train get put onto the freight track?

I heard that at the point of collision, there is a side track that one train is able to pull over to in order to allow another train to pass. Obviously someone was in the wrong place.

198 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:50:42am

re: #159 Lynn B.

Wait a minute. The interview I heard had every one of those bolded and underlined "excerpts" in it. We were all talking about the "exact words" comment as the interview was being broadcast.

Did anyone see an interview where those parts were edited out?

What I saw was the version that was posted here at LGF. The first bolded segment was in it, but I think the others were not.

199 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:50:57am

re: #181 jemima

This whole situation is remarkable. You would struggle to remember who the VP candidates were, or VP in any administration, over the past 100 years. Who was Calvin Coolidge's VP (don't look it up). Suddenly Sarah Palin is more important to destroy than McCain. Why? Because she's obviously a future President of the United States of America. Conservatism will have a rebirth and the left will be so screwed.

The with McCain / Palin the left is looking at the WH in (R) hands for the 16 years. What has them in an absolute panic is in those years all the liberal justices on the court will retire or die.

The courts is the lefts only real card. The lose ultimately in the public, all the major victories for the left in the last 3 decades came from the courts.

200 wildcat84  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:01am

This sort of thing worked back in the pre-internet, pre-talk radio days, because most people didn't have access to news or commentary that the networks/newspapers didn't want you to know.

The fact that the old media STILL operates as if this is the case is one reason why they are dying. It doesn't work anymore, and gets exposed 5 minutes later on the internet, yet they keep doing shit like this.

Fact of the matter is that Barak Hussein Obama is a media creation, hyped as the "messiah" after one speech in 2004, and to the old media, that's that. Which is why there is no curiosity out of the media about Rev. "wrong" Wright, and Bill Ayers.

Palin is being attacked because in a matter of hours, she shattered not a glass ceiling, but the mirror part of the smoke and mirrors that is the substance of Barak Hussein Obama. She is genine, she is real, she is intelligent, extremely articulate, attractive, and... worst of all, CONSERVATIVE.

She's being attacked viciously like no one has since the scurrilous attacks against Clarence Thomas for the same reason: She's of a "minority" group that the Democrat party justifies it's existence to "serve" with their programs, etc, and that for someone of those groups to rise to high prominence on the national stage having NOT done things their way and not believing what they preach (abortion on demand for one in this case) is to become a grave, dangerous threat to them.

Fortunately, McCain chose the right girl. She's strong enough, smart enough to persevere. They only make themselves look like weasels trying to nip at her heels.

201 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:01am

No doubt Gibson was out to get Palin, here, but I'm many of these edits seem pretty decent, considering that you really must take out something -- you can't have a forever-long interview.

And some of them, to be honest, aren't edits at all. Like this bit, listed in the transcript as a cut:


GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

I distinctly recall that quote in the interview.

At any rate, the deal is that Gibson wanted to nail Palin, and tailored his questions to try and do just that. He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.

202 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:20am

re: #192 Viking6
I get a kick out of the Miami one. CSIs running around with guns stopping criminals in their tracks.

203 wiffersnapper  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:52am

Surprise surprise ABC skews the interview. Whodathunkit?

204 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:54am

It seems quite obvious to most of the American people that Obama THINKS he is running against Palin.

The press are contributing to promoting the idea that she is running for the presidency not the vice presidency and making the primary issue her lack of "foreign policy" experience as THEY define it. That meeting and mingling with heads of state constitutes foreign policy experience!

What foreign policy experience did Bill Clinton have as Governor of Arkansas? He went to school in England? Did he ever travel overseas and meet heads of state while he was governor of Arkansas?

205 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:51:54am

re: #156 Cap'n DOC
Respectfully, Matthew Dowd is an asshole. McCain needs to stay above gutter politics because that's the only kind that Obama is good at.
Yes, when they have the debates, McCain should (going off topic if need be) question Obama about Ayers and Wright and the other skeleton's in his closet.
Maybe even going so far as to mention that JFK chose
LBJ as his running mate, NOT because JFK liked him, but because JFK knew that LBJ's experience and popularity with a certain segment of Democrats could help JFK win the election.

Oh yeah, can y'all say PUMA?! I knew you could!

206 mingjaiyo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:13am

I've been of the opinion that the MSM (as it is now labelled) has been steadily "slouching" towards leftist bias for about two decades. This interview has absolutely sealed that belief. The editing in this was so blatantly obvious that not even a blind person could have missed it...in fact,probably would have picked up on it near immediately what with the increased acuity of hearing most blind persons posess. I am quite pleased actually that this interview went down the way it did as the stark contrasts between twenty months of MSM coddling towards Obamessiah and three weeks worth of slash and burn against Palin have caused the scales to fall from some of even the most jaundiced eyes. Like many here,I am hearing from lifelong Dem's (most of R.I. where I live),mostly woman, infuriated with the treatment Palin is receiving. As the saying goes " perception is reality" and the perception is that Palin is being treated with gross unfairness. And the blame all seems to point to two sources...the MSM and the Obamessiah's campaign. I am so hopeful for a McCain/Palin victory in Novemeber. I live close to Brown University and am surrounded by houses/cars pasted with Obama signs. The gnasing of teeth,the wild howling,and the screams of moonbat heads exploding from utter incomprehension as to how the Obamessiah could have lost will be a moment of shadenfraude I will recall fondly for the rest of my life.

207 undhimmicratic  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:43am

I had no idea Martin Seiff was writing for UPI. He has been one of the good guys over many years in relation to Islam, Israel, etc. I am amazed to see his name there of all places--miracles never cease! AND... I am not surprised that he got it right re: Palin. Well done, Martin.

208 Godzilla  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:48am

Gibson asked Sarah Palin if Track had joined the military to do God’s work. This question was cruel, heartless, boorish, and irrelevant. Just what does Track's reasons for joining the military have to do with Sarah Palin's ability to be a VP? And to ask that question on the day she saw Track off. Disgusting.

209 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:50am

re: #190 pingjockey

Somebody is in a world of trouble. How in hell did a freightrain get on the same track as regularly sceduled commuter run? Or, how did the commuter train get put onto the freight track?

Signal failure is one possibility, a glitch in the system which would have given an incorrect signal to one of the trains.

Human error, one of the engineers missed a signal somehow and proceeded. Or a signal operator did something to send an incorrect signal.

Sabotage, someone tampered with the signals.

210 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:52am

wanna see some hurricane Ike pictures on yahoo news?

you get some messiah sprinkled in for free.

211 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:56am

If the media had any credibility at all they would conduct their interviews much like a job interview. Have all four of them come down to the studio on one day. Use the same questions for each candidate. A bipartisan panel would rate each candidate on background, communication, job history, and demonstrated accomplishments.

Show the interviews on TV unedited afterwards and let the public decide on Nov 4th.

Sick of this personality contest.

212 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:52:59am

re: #192 Viking6

So of course our prosecutors are having to deal with a csi effect; juries are downright upset if there's no prints or dna.

ps; ever hear a thug say, when confronted with drugs/gun in his pants, "that's not my pants?" hilarioius.

213 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:53:09am

Fox13 Houston reporter just called some front-loaders and backhoes in Galveston "bulldozers".

214 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:53:12am

I'm glad I don't watch ABC.
*pats self on back*

215 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:53:59am

re: #155 David IV of Georgia

Not only that, they keep comparing Palin to Obama. I guess they know there is no possibility to make the least comparison with Obama and McCain. Too bad for them that Palin is far more qualified than BHO—they are left to making wild unsubstantiated accusations to try to create doubt among voters.

Yes, they are in an appallingly weak stance going after the VP pick like this instead of focusing on McCain.

Clinton had how much foreign experience?
Carter?

Double standards galore.

216 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:13am

re: #166 pingjockey
We're doing just fine, thanks for asking!

217 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:17am

re: #190 pingjockey

In many parts of the country, freight and passenger traffic share lines. I know this is the case with NJ Transit on its Bergen line. How they ended up on the same track in this instance is a mystery, but it likely results from someone missing a signal or a track switch was set improperly.

218 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:35am

re: #201 Cognito

No doubt Gibson was out to get Palin, here, but I'm many of these edits seem pretty decent, considering that you really must take out something -- you can't have a forever-long interview.

And some of them, to be honest, aren't edits at all. Like this bit, listed in the transcript as a cut:


I distinctly recall that quote in the interview.

At any rate, the deal is that Gibson wanted to nail Palin, and tailored his questions to try and do just that. He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.

The video editing changed the "feel" of the interview, IMO - Palin seems jumpy, the focus on Gibson seems less so. I would like to see it unedited, to see if it is a natural conversation. My instinct says this was intentional, but I have no evidence, just gut feeling.

219 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:41am

Must run.
ABC sucks.

:-)

220 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:46am

re: #209 jcm
Does the NTSB investigate train wrecks like they do airplane accidents?

221 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:53am

WOOF - is it me or is this thread really skipping along here? I just can't really keep up!

222 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:56am

re: #186 Syrah

I wonder if Biden is considering jumping ship. It may be that the Obama camp will have their hands full keeping him on board till the end.

i'm wondering that too. i'm not convinced he won't bail.
you can feel he's not committed to the cause of 'the one'.
he's just going, half heartedly, thru the motions.

223 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:04am

re: #202 pingjockey

Yes and David Caruso's one word per minute statements. What a maroon. In all my years I do not believe that I ever saw a CSI tech (sworn) remove their weapon from their holster. Most of our techs were civilians and not permitted to be armed, really no need.

224 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:06am

re: #181 jemima

This whole situation is remarkable. You would struggle to remember who the VP candidates were, or VP in any administration, over the past 100 years. Who was Calvin Coolidge's VP (don't look it up). Suddenly Sarah Palin is more important to destroy than McCain. Why? Because she's obviously a future President of the United States of America. Conservatism will have a rebirth and the left will be so screwed.

But remember that Coolidge became president because Harding died. And Coolidge was a reformer and small government conservative who rooted out a great deal of corruption _and_ actually reduced government spending. He spent two years as governor of Mass before being nominated as Vice-President.. One his strong points was sufferage.

Interesting selection for making the value of a vice -president

225 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:10am

The reason they were so brutal is twofold. First, they desperately want their deity elected, second the media is trying to embed the idea that John McCain, as old, enfeebled, and computer dumb as he is, cannot possibly survive the inauguration festivities.

226 J.D.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:12am

re: #220 pingjockey

Yes, I believe they do.

Play nice!

227 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:15am

re: #215 Noam Chumpski


Clinton had how much foreign experience?


He received lots of international shipments at Mena International Airport

228 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:20am

re: #209 jcm

Signal failure is one possibility, a glitch in the system which would have given an incorrect signal to one of the trains.

Human error, one of the engineers missed a signal somehow and proceeded. Or a signal operator did something to send an incorrect signal.

Sabotage, someone tampered with the signals.

There are apparently several places in the stretch where the track is single, and opposing trains are scheduled to be on a siding to let the other by. Timing, signal, switch failure, - human error seems insufficient, given what we ASSUME are technical warnings and safeguards.

Software glitch, as likely as anything, betcha.

229 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:23am

re: #220 pingjockey

Does the NTSB investigate train wrecks like they do airplane accidents?

Yes

230 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:39am

re: #198 wrenchwench

What I saw was the version that was posted here at LGF. The first bolded segment was in it, but I think the others were not.

Honestly. Every word was in there. There's not one word in that transcript that I didn't hear in the interview. There have been plenty of excerpts on videos going around that leave some of it out, but it was in the original interview that I saw.

231 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:39am

re: #201 Cognito

He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama...

Explain the difference between a Softball and a Baseball.

232 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:55:54am

re: #220 pingjockey

Does the NTSB investigate train wrecks like they do airplane accidents?

Yep, trains have some form of black box also.

233 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:07am

re: #216 realwest
You're welcome! To stick with the msm bashing, the only time I watch the alphabets is for sports now.

234 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:22am

re: #212 dave in NC


Better one... Moron robs store, on film, bring in mother ids son as agg robber, confront suspect, show film, his response, "Thats not me that's my brother."

235 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:24am

re: #231 Cap'n DOC

Explain the difference between a Softball and a Baseball.

If you quoted more than half that sentence, you would see it.

236 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:35am

re: #230 Lynn B.

Did you watch it on TV?

237 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:38am

re: #6 jcm

It's goinna' bite, 'em. Hard.

She looks much, much sharper with those parts included.

Which is the point of the mean spirited editing. I hope many people email ABC and let them know the contempt we feel for them and their lies of omission.

Sad that they are merely shills forthe DNC

238 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:48am

re: #215 Noam Chumpski

Yes, they are in an appallingly weak stance going after the VP pick like this instead of focusing on McCain.

Clinton had how much foreign experience?
Carter?

Double standards galore.

A few people will no doubt be sucked in by this silly stance. Most people will be smart enough to see the obvious bias.

239 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:56:57am

re: #227 shug

He received lots of international shipments at Mena International Airport

Rhodes scholar, dope-smoking tour of Europe as a youngun.

240 sidtara  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:03am

re: #96 Ward Cleaver

I bet it was a wommin. ABC should fire all their female employees immediately. It's the only way to get their credibility back.

241 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:04am

re: #223 Viking6
That's what the better half and I thought. They're scientists, not cops!

242 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:21am

re: #235 Cognito

If you quoted more than half that sentence, you would see it.

These are pressure questions?

How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

243 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:49am

re: #228 itellu3times

There are apparently several places in the stretch where the track is single, and opposing trains are scheduled to be on a siding to let the other by. Timing, signal, switch failure, - human error seems insufficient, given what we ASSUME are technical warnings and safeguards.

Software glitch, as likely as anything, betcha.

That's the most likely, the Metrolink engineer is likely dead given the damage to that rail unit. The freight's cab looked pretty intact, those guys might have survived.

244 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:51am

re: #164 Jinx

I see an interesting affect with McCain using Palin as the VP. The contest has now turned into Obama vs Palin. The two "old men" have slipped off camera, so to speak. In comparison to Palin, there is very little coverage about McCain. This is a little disturbing. It shouldn't be that way. McCain should be in the forefront since he is the person running for President, not Palin. I think there are several points of interest in that alone. 1) It shows that McCain didn't hold that much attraction with Republicans. 2) Palin really ignited a tepid Republican base. 3) The Democrats and, more importantly, the left are so frightened of Palin they don't know what to do but slime and attack in such ways as to prove their hypocrisy.

At least McCain is playing it smart and appearing with Palin at every opportunity. At least he understands enough about politics to ride coattails of a rising star.

I've also thought about the fact that Sarah seems to be getting all the attention while McCain seems to have taken a back seat. But it's true a lot of conservitives were not thrilled with him as our candidate. He did what he had to do, bringing in a conservative to shore up the base. In that- I give him credit- it's what many of us knew he had to do. But in picking Governor Palin, he not only shored up the base, he sent the left into a tizzy, and for that, I give him even more credit.

As far as riding her coat tails- he has to do what he has to do to win this thing, and if I were him, I'd want to have her spotlight shining on me too. I think McCain is more politically astute than anyone has given him credit for in the past.

245 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:57:52am

re: #109 doppelganglander

Yeppers...sighs. Also, the "Bones" character was a complete tramp.

"House" seemed mostly apolitical, but the sarcastic "House" character got old and stale after a while (at least for me).

246 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:58:07am

re: #235 Cognito

You obfuscate. Cite an example of a baseball to obama akin to that thrown to Gov. Palin.

247 Paul Green  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:58:42am

Forwarded the newsbusters.org report to a colleague (a fervent Obama backer) and received the following response:

"This website is simply incorrect - I The lines they have underlined and in bold face were most certainly NOT edited out of the interview I actually heard these in the interview - not the one on 20/20 Friday night, but on an earlier segment of the ABC news Thurs. night."

Can anyone confirm or refute this?

248 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:58:54am

re: #242 celtic templar

Crap, Celtic. Let Cognito strike out, will ya?

249 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:59:09am

re: #241 pingjockey

For the most part that is correct. In the old days our CSI techs were a mix of sworn and civilian. I thinki that still holds true in most large departments.

250 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:59:22am

re: #223 Viking6
right, our csi techs are civilians; not able to carry a weapon, and have no need, since our sworn personnel secure the scene before forensics arrives (before ems, for that matter.)

251 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:59:34am

re: #153 Nevergiveup

The Obama is terrified of responding to McCain on many issues, given the sleazy, corrupt, American hating bunch he has been associated with since day one.Nitpicking is all the lightweight can manage without exposing his slimey underbelly.

252 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:59:36am

re: #227 shug

He received lots of international shipments at Mena International Airport

Queen Willamena (sp?) Mountain is nice. Has a 1500 foot cliff on one side and a park at the peak. Not very international.

253 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:59:57am

re: #234 Viking6

Better one... Moron robs store, on film, bring in mother ids son as agg robber, confront suspect, show film, his response, "Thats not me that's my brother."

Renton, WA. Feb. 3, 1990.

Guy walks around a police car into a gun shop and attempts a robbery....

Suicide IMHO.

254 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:00:04am

re: #248 Cap'n DOC

Crap, Celtic. Let Cognito strike out, will ya?

Sorry, I'm a hockey defenseman - I only know how to skate backwards and knock you on your arse :)

255 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:00:06am

re: #201 Cognito

Not at all strange, simply agenda driven.

Questions like "how does it feel to break the glass ceiling?" are not exactly "pressure".

256 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:00:50am

re: #75 laZardo

Question though...how did NewsBusters and/or Mark Levin get a hold of the original interview transcripts?

/checking, checking...please don't hurt me.

I would not be surprised if the candidates insist that they be able to film the interviews themselves as they occur, such that they can rebut obnoxious editing and out-of-context responses being aired, such as the topic of this thread.

I know I would.

If that's the case, they have to release the entire transcript before the candidates can respond, to try to seem somewhat objective.

257 spudly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:00:50am

re: #242 celtic templar

These are pressure questions?

How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

The list above was paraphrased by someone on the hillaryclinton forum. Here are all the real questions:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

GIBSON: Senator, I'm curious about your feelings last night. It was an historic moment. Has it sunk in yet?

GIBSON: What'd she (wife) say?

GIBSON: Public moments are not your own. There's a million people pulling you in a million different directions, but when everybody clears out, the staff is gone, you're in your hotel room at night and you're alone -- do you say to yourself: "Son of a gun, I've done this?"

GIBSON: (inaudible) when you announced, did you truly, in your gut, think that a black man could win the nomination of a major party to be president of the United States?

GIBSON: You don't get much time to enjoy this before people immediately start talking about the vice presidency.(LAUGHTER) On what criteria and what timetable will you choose a vice president?

GIBSON: But there obviously is one name that looms over all. Hillary Clinton has already, to some extent, expressed her willingness. There are supporters putting out petitions. There is a drumbeat of pressure. There are those 18 million votes.

Is she a special case that you have to deal with before the others, or is she considered just like everybody else? How long can you let the "Hillary Clinton on the ticket" question linger?

GIBSON: Does there have to be a yes or no on the issue of Hillary Clinton before you get to the others, or can this issue linger on, because it pervades everything?

You want to move on to the general election. You want to pivot to a campaign against John McCain.

Can you do that while this question hovers over you?

GIBSON: So, you won't do -- you won't deal with her first, get that out of the way, and then either move on or not?

GIBSON: As long as that question lingers, can you get about the business of unifying the party, or does that have to be taken care of first?

GIBSON: Did she squeeze you in any way by making known her interest in the job?

GIBSON: Should you choose her, how do you handle Bill Clinton?

GIBSON: On what three issues will this campaign turn to you?

GIBSON: Do you worry that it could turn on race, age and class?

GIBSON: John McCain has issued an invitation to do a series of town meetings (inaudible). Going to do it?

GIBSON: Public financing: Going to take it or going to say no?

GIBSON: But there's a dynamic on your side, as well. You originally said you would take it.

GIBSON: That was before we saw a...

GIBSON: If you already see that money coming in, it seems to me you're saying...

GIBSON: Is the hardest part of all this behind you or ahead of you?

GIBSON: The picture of you in the paper, this morning, with your wife, watching the Clinton speech. What did you think of the Clinton speech?

She didn't exactly acknowledge your victory.

GIBSON: And finally your daughters. What did they say to you? Did they take it as a matter of course that Daddy could be nominated to be president? They never knew what older people know in terms of discrimination, although they may still feel some. What did they say about that?

GIBSON: I watched closely your countenance last night, your mien, as you stood in that hall. You didn't smile much. Has the joyfulness of this hit home yet? Do you take joy from it?

258 Viking6  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:17am

re: #250 dave in NC


When I was riding a b&w we tried to always get to scene just after Fire/Rescue ... less messy :-)

259 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:19am

re: #247 Paul Green

Forwarded the newsbusters.org report to a colleague (a fervent Obama backer) and received the following response:

"This website is simply incorrect - I The lines they have underlined and in bold face were most certainly NOT edited out of the interview I actually heard these in the interview - not the one on 20/20 Friday night, but on an earlier segment of the ABC news Thurs. night."

Can anyone confirm or refute this?

That's what Lynn B. has been saying. (Scroll up.)

260 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:20am

re: #221 realwest

At least it's not an ID thread. (:

261 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:25am

Knock, knock... Cognito? Are you on the mound, or did you hit the clubhouse?

262 Syrah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:38am

re: #201 Cognito

At any rate, the deal is that Gibson wanted to nail Palin, and tailored his questions to try and do just that. He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.

It's not strange at all if Charlie Gibson is invested in an Obama victory. Charlie Gibson has only proven that he is not a Journalist, but an editorialist.

263 HippieforLife  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:46am

re: #159 Lynn B.

I did not hear the edited portions. I was very surprised this morning to see the complete transcript. I even sent a comment to ABC news.

Someone had to have known that this would be revealed. How lame to actually be caught in the act! I hope this blows up them big time.

264 tokyobk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:01:49am

re: #244 Sharmuta

I've also thought about the fact that Sarah seems to be getting all the attention while McCain seems to have taken a back seat. But it's true a lot of conservitives were not thrilled with him as our candidate. He did what he had to do, bringing in a conservative to shore up the base. In that- I give him credit- it's what many of us knew he had to do. But in picking Governor Palin, he not only shored up the base, he sent the left into a tizzy, and for that, I give him even more credit.

As far as riding her coat tails- he has to do what he has to do to win this thing, and if I were him, I'd want to have her spotlight shining on me too. I think McCain is more politically astute than anyone has given him credit for in the past.

When Obama was beating up the Clinton's and McCain seemed nowhere to be found, some wise Lizard here kept saying just wait, McCain is a sly old man and a wise one. I doubted it, but that Lizard was right. Half the reason why Sarah is a good pick is because she is a lighting rod.

265 guzziguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:01am

re: #201 Cognito

No doubt Gibson was out to get Palin, here, but I'm many of these edits seem pretty decent, considering that you really must take out something -- you can't have a forever-long interview.

And some of them, to be honest, aren't edits at all. Like this bit, listed in the transcript as a cut:


I distinctly recall that quote in the interview.

At any rate, the deal is that Gibson wanted to nail Palin, and tailored his questions to try and do just that. He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.

If you don't have time to run an 8 question interview, you could simply ask 4 questions and run it. No editing necessary. No opportunity for charges of bias. Well, except for the questions. To obambi, "Who makes your suits?" To McCain and any other Republican, "Do you still believe in slavery?"

266 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:19am

re: #246 Cap'n DOC

You obfuscate. Cite an example of a baseball to obama akin to that thrown to Gov. Palin.

Gibson put some tough questions to Obama, I believe, on his tax plan during the debate. Put him in a corner, if I remember correctly.

Sorry, I'm not going to hunt down video.

267 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:21am

re: #257 spudly

These questions are so Ladies' Home Journal.

ABC blows

268 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:25am

re: #246 Cap'n DOC

You obfuscate. Cite an example of a baseball to obama akin to that thrown to Gov. Palin.


Only on O'Reilly.

and even then the interview was fair

269 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:33am

re: #159 Lynn B.
I didn't see either the original interview or the replay, but Chris Wallace of Fox News said that the replay had "cleaned up" some of the worst editing he's ever seen in TV Journalism.

270 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:38am

"Son of a gun, I've done this?"

How 'bout Palin and hubris ...

Thanks spudly, this is a perfect contrast.

re: #257 spudly

The list above was paraphrased by someone on the hillaryclinton forum. Here are all the real questions:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

GIBSON: Senator, I'm curious about your feelings last night. It was an historic moment. Has it sunk in yet?

GIBSON: What'd she (wife) say?

GIBSON: Public moments are not your own. There's a million people pulling you in a million different directions, but when everybody clears out, the staff is gone, you're in your hotel room at night and you're alone -- do you say to yourself: "Son of a gun, I've done this?"

GIBSON: (inaudible) when you announced, did you truly, in your gut, think that a black man could win the nomination of a major party to be president of the United States?

GIBSON: You don't get much time to enjoy this before people immediately start talking about the vice presidency.(LAUGHTER) On what criteria and what timetable will you choose a vice president?

GIBSON: But there obviously is one name that looms over all. Hillary Clinton has already, to some extent, expressed her willingness. There are supporters putting out petitions. There is a drumbeat of pressure. There are those 18 million votes.

Is she a special case that you have to deal with before the others, or is she considered just like everybody else? How long can you let the "Hillary Clinton on the ticket" question linger?

GIBSON: Does there have to be a yes or no on the issue of Hillary Clinton before you get to the others, or can this issue linger on, because it pervades everything?

You want to move on to the general election. You want to pivot to a campaign against John McCain.

Can you do that while this question hovers over you?

GIBSON: So, you won't do -- you won't deal with her first, get that out of the way, and then either move on or not?

GIBSON: As long as that question lingers, can you get about the business of unifying the party, or does that have to be taken care of first?

GIBSON: Did she squeeze you in any way by making known her interest in the job?

GIBSON: Should you choose her, how do you handle Bill Clinton?

GIBSON: On what three issues will this campaign turn to you?

GIBSON: Do you worry that it could turn on race, age and class?

GIBSON: John McCain has issued an invitation to do a series of town meetings (inaudible). Going to do it?

GIBSON: Public financing: Going to take it or going to say no?

GIBSON: But there's a dynamic on your side, as well. You originally said you would take it.

GIBSON: That was before we saw a...

GIBSON: If you already see that money coming in, it seems to me you're saying...

GIBSON: Is the hardest part of all this behind you or ahead of you?

GIBSON: The picture of you in the paper, this morning, with your wife, watching the Clinton speech. What did you think of the Clinton speech?

She didn't exactly acknowledge your victory.

GIBSON: And finally your daughters. What did they say to you? Did they take it as a matter of course that Daddy could be nominated to be president? They never knew what older people know in terms of discrimination, although they may still feel some. What did they say about that?

GIBSON: I watched closely your countenance last night, your mien, as you stood in that hall. You didn't smile much. Has the joyfulness of this hit home yet? Do you take joy from it?

271 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:02:58am

re: #105 musicman

Yet another reason I REFUSE to watch anything but FOX NEWS. (Local coverage exception)

I sometimes have reruns of The Lawrence Welk Show on without the sound...

[Okay Les, you can go back to your corner.]

272 Lab Rat  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:03:01am

re: #124 Dianna

You can out lipstick on Randi Rhodes- but she's still a pig...

Just sayin'...

273 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:03:26am

Delhi in chaos after string of bomb blasts

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

What does it say when a story like this will basically go unnoticed? But let a Christian or a Jew spit on a Koran.........

274 wildcat84  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:03:26am

re: #222 nyc redneck

i'm wondering that too. i'm not convinced he won't bail.
you can feel he's not committed to the cause of 'the one'.
he's just going, half heartedly, thru the motions.

My thinking is that Friday's meeting of Obama with "Don Clintonleone" was probably about that. Despite the media focusing on destroying Palin instead of the "gaffe a day" performance of Biden, it's getting out, he looks foolish and incompetent. Barak Hussein Obama's only way out of this mess is to replace him with Hillary. If I were Hillary though, I'd tell him to go pound sand and stand by and watch him sink in the quicksand of his own making.

The reason why Barak Hussein Obama chose Biden was obvious. He's limited in who he can choose, he can't choose someone blatantly more qualified than himself. Biden fit the bill perfectly.

What I'm looking forward to are the debates. With no teleprompters, and no handlers, the Obamamessiah is going to crucify himself. And Biden has to be pissing himself every time he thinks of having to debate Palin. The moderators will try to "schoolmarm" the debates as much as possible, but they will not be able to save them from disastrous performances like the ones that destroyed Algore and Kerry.

275 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:03:31am

re: #248 Cap'n DOC

Crap, Celtic. Let Cognito strike out, will ya?

Strike out how, exactly?

I think you, apparently, wildly misperceive my take on Gibson and his Palin interview.

276 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:03:55am

re: #266 Cognito

We're not talking the debate here, we're talking the INTERVIEW, Cognito. Obfuscation is thy name.

277 BrianA  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:04am

Can you imagine the same interview with Katie Couric or any of the clowns at PMSNBC? Maybe they should have gone with Brokaw? At least he wouldn't have worn the granny glasses on the end of his condescending nose.

278 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:06am

re: #272 Lab Rat

You can out lipstick on Randi Rhodes- but she's still a pig...

Just sayin'...


and give her 14 bloody marys and she wobbles

279 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:15am

re: #268 shug

Only on O'Reilly.

and even then the interview was fair

With the attempts to grab O'Reilly's leg, was Obama begging for protection or is he in love?

280 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:26am

americans are basically fair minded people.
and fair minded people instinctively recoil at such unethical manipulative behavior.
the msm has followed a bizarre path on the road to it's own extinction.

281 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:29am

re: #253 jcm

And that is what we on the internets like to call...

282 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:31am

re: #244 Sharmuta

McCain was very shrewd with his Sarah Palin pick. Hope it pays off.

283 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:36am
284 daddyo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:04:49am

re: #210 shug

wanna see some hurricane Ike pictures...?


[Link: www.thecookbookstall.com...]

285 kynna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:01am

The contrast between the Obama interview and the Palin interrogation are striking. Did he interview Joe Biden? I'd like to see that. Even if it was from one of his many presidential runs.

I looked at the PUMA site and they aren't buying the rumors about Hillary joining BO. And if Biden leaves the race, for whatever reason, it will look like he was asked to get out. It will be seen as BO's decision. Or re-decision, as it were.

286 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:14am

re: #208 Godzilla

Gibson asked Sarah Palin if Track had joined the military to do God’s work. This question was cruel, heartless, boorish, and irrelevant. Just what does Track's reasons for joining the military have to do with Sarah Palin's ability to be a VP? And to ask that question on the day she saw Track off. Disgusting.

It was worse than that, IMO. He said, "But then are you sending your son on a task that is from God?" I am so sick of these libs who think our fighting men and women are children whose parents send them to war. My son joined the Navy a week before Track Palin joined the Alaska National Guard. Believe me, it was completely his decision. The only reason we knew about it in advance was because he was only 17 when he signed and he needed our permission.

287 musicman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:15am

re: #143 Rageman

We GOTTA get out the vote. If these guys are at the helm and controlling the media and the congress....yikes.

You need to watch this...

Here is the actual letter...

Beware Charismatic Men Who Preach 'Change'
Editor, Richmond Times-Dispatch, Richmond, VA - July 7, 2008

Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice. On June 30 I celebrate my independence day and on July 4 I celebrate America's. This year is special, because it marks the 40th anniversary of my independence.

On June 30, 1968, I escaped Communist Cuba and a few months later I was in the United States to stay. That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.

I've thought a lot about the anniversary this year. The election-year rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there. In the late 1950s, most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change, and they were right. So when a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive.

When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. When he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone followed. When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said "Praise the Lord." And when the young leader said, "I will be for change and I'll bring you change," everyone yelled, "Viva Fidel!"

But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner's guns went silent the people's guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education it was worth nothing. By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time the change was finally implemented Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes. You can call those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world the most fortunate Cubans. And now I'm back to the beginning of my story.

Luckily, we would never fall in America for a young leader who promised change without asking, what change? How will you carry it out? What will it cost America?

Would we?

Manuel Alvarez Jr. Sandy Hook.


288 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:15am

re: #264 tokyobk

When Obama was beating up the Clinton's and McCain seemed nowhere to be found, some wise Lizard here kept saying just wait, McCain is a sly old man and a wise one. I doubted it, but that Lizard was right. Half the reason why Sarah is a good pick is because she is a lighting rod.

I doubt it was me you're referring to, but my thoughts at that point were that Senator McCain has wanted to be President for a long time, and that he should be given a chance to show he'll fight for it. I think he's done just that in the last month from his ads to picking Sarah. At this point, until the debates, I would continue to hand the 0bama camp and msm more rope.

289 laZardo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:26am

re: #273 Nevergiveup

I suspect that Shiva hath no fury...

/and so on...

290 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:48am

re: #276 Cap'n DOC

We're not talking the debate here, we're talking the INTERVIEW, Cognito. Obfuscation is thy name.

I know 'obfuscation' is a fancy word that some people here can't seem to get enough of, but I'm curious: What is it, exactly, that I'm obfuscating?

291 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:05:51am

Ok I'm listening to the video that Charles posted here and most of the bolded and underlined text (so far) is in it.

But there's also some stuff in it that wasn't in what I saw. The clip of Palin speaking in her church I'm pretty sure wasn't in this interview the first time I saw it. And now that segment where he said "exact words" in now missing. I know that was there before.

What's going on?

292 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:02am

re: #275 Cognito

Strike out how, exactly?

I think you, apparently, wildly misperceive my take on Gibson and his Palin interview.

I'm still looking for the tax questions from Gibson. I think there may have been something, but can't find it. Which also highlights the preferential treatment Obama gets. Does anyone have recent Biden interviews or does anyone care?

293 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:05am

re: #278 shug

and give her 14 bloody marys and she wobbles

I bet that ain't all she'l do after 14 bloody marys?

294 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:10am

re: #186 Syrah

I wonder if Biden is considering jumping ship. It may be that the Obama camp will have their hands full keeping him on board till the end.

That would seem quite plausible - after all, he's got more experience in proper campaigning that B0 and will thus be able to read the tea-leaves better.

295 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:40am

Well, it looks like I might have to actually tune into ABC news for a few evenings to get a list of their sponsors, and compose a letter or two. Seems the best way to get at Tier II Leftists, is depleting their bank accounts.

296 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:42am

This whole election is turning the MSM into Dan Rather writ large. IMHO.

297 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:43am

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Pics of the RoP's victims in Delhi(warning graphic): Men, women and children. That's some peaceful inner struggle.

298 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:44am

re: #287 musicman
WHACK! Goes the clue bat!

299 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:46am

re: #285 kynna

Or indecision, so it will have to look cardiac or neurological

300 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:06:54am

re: #275 Cognito

He has applied a bit of pressure before to Barack Obama, but nowhere near this level, and that's strange -- after all, Obama is at the top of his ticket.


Define the word before.

301 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:07:00am

re: #286 doppelganglander

As a Navy Vet from the 80's tell your son Thank You for carrying on the mission.

302 tokyobk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:07:06am

One of the very first HuffPo headlines, like a day after she was picked, was about how Palin would soon be dropped from the ticket.

303 kansas  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:07:56am

re: #33 Tigger2005

I wish they'd hurry up and die already. We've been predicting their demise for eons but they still rise from the grave every night to suck blood and eat brains. I think SS money (Soros and Saudi) is propping them up.

MSM and Dems. Saudi money would certainly explain why the Dems don't want us to drill for our own oil.

304 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:07:58am

re: #302 tokyobk

One of the very first HuffPo headlines, like a day after she was picked, was about how Palin would soon be dropped from the ticket.


Wishful thinking, but alas, she's our woman for the job. Sorry huffers.

305 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:08:16am

re: #300 Cap'n DOC

Define the word before.

I haven't the faintest clue, now, what you're talking about. If you don't understand the word 'before,' then there's no fruitful conversation to be had here.

If you do understand it, and are just looking to pick an e-fight, then the same applies.

306 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:08:23am

re: #291 Lynn B.

Ok I'm listening to the video that Charles posted here and most of the bolded and underlined text (so far) is in it.

But there's also some stuff in it that wasn't in what I saw. The clip of Palin speaking in her church I'm pretty sure wasn't in this interview the first time I saw it. And now that segment where he said "exact words" in now missing. I know that was there before.

What's going on?

They probably edited it in different ways for different time slots and audiences.

307 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:08:58am

re: #305 Cognito

OK specificity for you: during the primaries, post primaries, post convention? Word games are fun huh?

308 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:09:27am

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Delhi in chaos after string of bomb blasts

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Terrible toll; vile people (using the term loosely) behind it.

Gah.

309 jemima  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:09:41am

#274

How does Barry come to the people of the United States and say "I've got good news and bad news. Joe's leaving for personal reasons and the good news for all you sweeties out there, Hillary's taking his place!"? He chose Biden. Didn't he know there was a potential personal issue? Why wasn't Joe vetted more? Is Barry's judgment that bad?

He can't do this. He'll look like more of a moron than he looks today.

Monica Crowley talking about Sarah now [Link: gateway.andohs.net...]

310 tokyobk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:09:44am

re: #288 Sharmuta

I doubt it was me you're referring to, but my thoughts at that point were that Senator McCain has wanted to be President for a long time, and that he should be given a chance to show he'll fight for it. I think he's done just that in the last month from his ads to picking Sarah. At this point, until the debates, I would continue to hand the 0bama camp and msm more rope.

Exactly. I am no military historian but I have read my fair share about battles, especially those in the Warring States period of Japan of the late 1500's. 90% of winning a battle is having th eproper estimate of your enemy's true condition; not the hype deliverded by spies or the common impression. Maybe McCain saw Obama's paper legs the whole time.

311 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:11am

re: #245 mitthrawnurdo

Yeppers...sighs. Also, the "Bones" character was a complete tramp.

"House" seemed mostly apolitical, but the sarcastic "House" character got old and stale after a while (at least for me).

I still love House. I love the episodes when his atheism is challenged by his patients' decisions. The episode in which a late-in-life pregnant woman refuses an abortion, even though going untreated might kill her, is a gem. Near the end, they have to operate on the baby in utero and that tiny little hand reaches out and grasps House's finger. Makes me cry just thinking about it.

312 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:17am

re: #290 Cognito

What is it with you? You want to start with the first question I asked and simply answer it or play hide the pokey?

313 yesandno  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:20am

Levin's underlining of phrases.....

I heard them in the interview last night. I remember her saying things like cognizant and thinking how many other politicians would have used that phrase.

They may have edited it, but the transcript on Levin's site was what I heard last night.

Maybe there have been versions supplied by third parties, or re-broadcasts that make up the difference...I am not sure.

314 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:21am

re: #296 Fat Jolly Penguin

This whole election is turning the MSM into Dan Rather writ word-processed large. IMHO.

Fixed that for ya... ;)

315 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:28am

When the media is this biased, does it violate election law? All the networks should be taken to the wood shed for their misconduct.
Its not just ABC and SeeBS, pMSNBC, NBC CNN are all reaching record lows in the political reporting department. Time for the FCC to strip licensure from them.

316 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:37am

re: #291 Lynn B.

Ok I'm listening to the video that Charles posted here and most of the bolded and underlined text (so far) is in it.

But there's also some stuff in it that wasn't in what I saw. The clip of Palin speaking in her church I'm pretty sure wasn't in this interview the first time I saw it. And now that segment where he said "exact words" in now missing. I know that was there before.

What's going on?

Yes, thank you. That's what I had hoped to point out.

317 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:45am

re: #274 wildcat84

i agree, the 'one' and biden are worried. i don't think hillary will get on board that sinking ship. what a disaster for the dems, no matter what they do at this point.
and hill and bill must be smiling that 'i told you so' smirk.
it really is incredible how this has unfolded.

318 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:51am

re: #247 Paul Green

LGF Charles posted the You Tube video that appeared to be unedited on this site.

But several of the videos that have been posted of the interview HAVE been edited. It is the internet versions that have been edited which are the one's that will be in circulation.

319 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:10:57am

re: #309 jemima

#274

How does Barry come to the people of the United States and say "I've got good news and bad news. Joe's leaving for personal reasons and the good news for all you sweeties out there, Hillary's taking his place!"? He chose Biden. Didn't he know there was a potential personal issue? Why wasn't Joe vetted more? Is Barry's judgment that bad?

He can't do this. He'll look like more of a moron than he looks today.

Monica Crowley talking about Sarah now [Link: gateway.andohs.net...]

You forget, the MSM will be there to change the diaper. "It took courage for Obama to put his country first ... blah blah blah..."

I would not be surprised, though I lost a bet about the announcement on Friday.

320 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:08am

re: #281 laZardo

And that is what we on the internets like to call...

OUCH!

321 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:30am

re: #139 obscured by clouds

THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY.

The Media is part of the overall problem.

The basic problem is that some people, whom I call the Self-Appointed Superior Beings, feel (and certainly not think) that they are entitled to treat those that they deem to be lesser beings (us) as livestock or tools for their own use.

They cannot be reasoned or argued with, only isolated, driven off, or destroyed.

322 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:33am

None of it really matters. Palin did fine in the interview - even if Gibson was a jerk.

It's not like she blurted out someone else would have been a better pick.

323 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:33am

re: #294 yma o hyd

That would seem quite plausible - after all, he's got more experience in proper campaigning that B0 and will thus be able to read the tea-leaves better.

That could be. But at this late date, I think he's stuck on the ticket. Hillary is not going to save him- even the PUMAs are saying people would see it for the desperation move that it would be. Who else could replace biden? Who would want that spot if the vp candidate himself didn't want it? It just reflects too poorly on 0bama that he can't make good decisions. I agree with Syrah- they will likely be struggling to keep biden on the team. If word leaks out that this is going on- it will have bad repercussions for 0bama.

324 Happy Fun Ball  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:35am

re: #5 kynna

Charles, is there anything you can make throb in this scenario?

Here you go.

325 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:50am

re: #306 christheprofessor

They probably edited it in different ways for different time slots and audiences.

Editing leaves lots of room for error, deception and the appearance of deception. Multiple "versions" merely highlight this. If ABC did not have time to air the entire interview they should have cut entire questions, not sliced up Palin's replies.

326 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:11:58am

re: #314 christheprofessor
LOL! Well done! How are ya today CtP?

327 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:12:09am

re: #324 Happy Fun Ball

Here you go.

Nice work!

328 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:08am

re: #305 Cognito

You fuckin' nitwit. Gibson threw zero strikes at obama. That's all he threw at Gov. Palin. - and must of those were high and tight. You want to insinuate that Gibson was fair? Find yourself a pitching machine. Or erect a strawman. Whatever.

329 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:10am

re: #325 SpartanWoman

Editing leaves lots of room for error, deception and the appearance of deception. Multiple "versions" merely highlight this. If ABC did not have time to air the entire interview they should have cut entire questions, not sliced up Palin's replies.

And it gives them cover if they say they edited for different time slots ... I ain't falling for it.

330 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:22am

re: #230 Lynn B.

Were you on the East Coast or the West Coast - because apparently ABC carried two versions - "fixing" issues from the East Coast feed.

331 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:22am

re: #321 The Other Les

The Media is part of the overall problem.

The basic problem is that some people, whom I call the Self-Appointed Superior Beings, feel (and certainly not think) that they are entitled to treat those that they deem to be lesser beings (us) as livestock or tools for their own use.

They cannot be reasoned or argued with, only isolated, driven off, or destroyed.

The media instead of being the conveyors of facts and information, have become the self appointed arbiters of the truth.

332 jemima  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:26am

#319

Have you noticed the bucket the MSM is using to carry Barry's water, has a hole in it?

333 DaddyO  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:34am

re: #5 kynna

Charles, is there anything you can make throb in this scenario?


Well this definitely makes a point

334 shug  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:51am

re: #312 Cap'n DOC

What is it with you? You want to start with the first question I asked and simply answer it or play hide the pokey?

Cognito is to your brain as slim whitman music is to a martian

335 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:57am

re: #211 Racer X

That's a rational idea. It'll never fly.

336 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:13:59am

re: #322 Racer X

None of it really matters. Palin did fine in the interview - even if Gibson was a jerk.

It's not like she blurted out someone else would have been a better pick.

I think she did... okay. Just okay. I was surprised at how nervous she seemed at times, compared to the poise we've seen before.

But, yeah, at least she didn't say "Romney would be a better choice"!

337 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:14:19am

re: #314 christheprofessor

Fixed that for ya... ;)

Ah, of course. Thank'ee much.

338 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:14:20am

re: #312 Cap'n DOC

What is it with you? You want to start with the first question I asked and simply answer it or play hide the pokey?

Cap'n, let me make something clear: You're apparently under the mistaken impression that I owe you something, particularly answers to a string of random and frequently nonsensical questions.

I said what I had to say in No. 201. Agree or disagree. Up to you.

339 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:14:22am

re: #334 shug

Heh!

340 Syrah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:14:24am

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Delhi in chaos after string of bomb blasts

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

What does it say when a story like this will basically go unnoticed? But let a Christian or a Jew spit on a Koran.........

ROP again. So common place that it has become a "dog bites man" story. Everyday, somewhere, . . .

341 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:15:09am

re: #325 SpartanWoman
Ah but you see, you're assuming that ABC wanted to do some honest journalism. What they really wanted was a long enough interview, with camera angles and glasses on the end of Gibson's nose as if he were a headmaster asking Palin to justify being in his school, so that they COULD cut it and edit it for various different markets.
Hell, as I said above, even Chris Wallace of Fox News was punishiing in his treatment of ABC and Gibson and they way the interview was edited.

342 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:15:11am
343 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:15:12am

re: #333 DaddyO

Well this definitely makes a point

Ahhhhhh, ahhhh, ohmyg-dthatHURTS!

344 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:15:25am

re: #156 Cap'n DOC

From the link:

Ummm. Ain't that where the obamessiah started? At the Bill Ayers mudpit?

The A4D Skyhawk that JSM used to fly is what some folks in the aviation business call a mud mover.

Bwahahahahaha!

345 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:15:33am

re: #325 SpartanWoman

Editing leaves lots of room for error, deception and the appearance of deception. Multiple "versions" merely highlight this. If ABC did not have time to air the entire interview they should have cut entire questions, not sliced up Palin's replies.

I agree completely. Hell, when they edit movies for network broadcast, they note at the beginning, "Edited for time and content" or some such. I would think that news organizations should be at least held to that standard.

/you didn't think I was defending the editing, did you?

346 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16:03am

re: #306 christheprofessor

They probably edited it in different ways for different time slots and audiences.

You know, I was just thinking the same thing. But since most (definitely not all) of the language Levin claims was edited out is there on the video Charles posted, we might want to be careful about claiming they tried to hide it.

Anyway, again, the version of the interview I saw had all of the "edited" footage in it, as far as I can recall. This line, especially, made a big impression on me at the time...

And I do believe, though, that this war against extreme Islamic terrorists is the right thing. It’s an unfortunate thing, because war is hell and I hate war

347 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16:21am

This kid is real lucky.

348 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16:45am

re: #322 Racer X

None of it really matters. Palin did fine in the interview - even if Gibson was a jerk.

It's not like she blurted out someone else would have been a better pick.

But it does matter. The MSM is complicit again and again. It's Orwellian, Stalinistic, Clockwork Orangey, whatever. It is a form of mind control. You get 10 minutes or however long in my head for this interview. Don't watch? Sure, but we are interested in Palin ...

/am I paranoid if people are really out to get me?

349 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16:46am

re: #324 Happy Fun Ball

Heh.

350 kawfytawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16:46am

re: #291 Lynn B.

could it be that would aired on TV is not what is being aired in online videos?

351 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:08am

re: #326 realwest

LOL! Well done! How are ya today CtP?

Thanks, I'm well, and you?

/fixin' to* head out on the motorcycle in a bit...

*not sure you've been in NC long enough yet to know that "fixin' to" means "I'm getting ready to".... ;)

352 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:14am

re: #230 Lynn B.

Are you on the West Coast? I ask, because they changed the editing at speed, because the reactions on the East Coast were so negative.

353 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:15am

Hillary will not be on the One's ticket this year. She can sit back, watch as his campaign hits an iceberg, and then sinks. Why would she jump on that?
She can then tell the dems in '12, 'see, I told you.'

354 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:16am

re: #338 Cognito

Heh. I rest my case. Ya struck out.

355 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:34am
356 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:36am

re: #347 Racer X

Yeah. So they charge the father? WTF is up with that?

357 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:17:42am

re: #345 christheprofessor

Of course not.

358 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:05am

re: #347 Racer X

This kid is real lucky.

Well he was getting lucky until dad showed up.

359 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:06am

re: #344 The Other Les

The A4D Skyhawk that JSM used to fly is what some folks in the aviation business call a mud mover.

Bwahahahahaha!

Heinemann's Hot Rod

360 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:08am

Taranto has a good analysis of the interview.

Palin was right, as we noted Tuesday. Although she had spoken the words Gibson attributed to her, his rendition of the quote was a dowdification. He took the words out of context to make a prayer that "the task is from God" appear to be an assertion that it is.

This misleading quotation might have been an error rather than a deliberate deception, and it did not originate with Gibson. Our Tuesday item noted that CNN had misrepresented Palin's words on Monday, and on Sept. 4 "AllahPundit" pointed to an Associated Press dispatch from the previous day that might have been the origin of the falsehood.

Yesterday the Associated Press, in reporting on the interview, relied on its own inaccurate reporting of a week earlier in claiming that Palin had "contradicted an assertion she made at her former church that 'our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.' " This claim disappeared from later versions of the AP dispatch, although we haven't found any evidence that the wire service issued a correction.

ABC seems to have realized its mistake as well. The version of the interview that aired on ABC's "World News" last night (video here) edited out the lines in which Palin disputes the accuracy of Gibson's quote and Gibson replies, "Exact words." In their place is a YouTube clip of Palin speaking at the church. Again, as far as we know, ABC has not expressly acknowledged the error.

361 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:14am

re: #247 Paul Green

Forwarded the newsbusters.org report to a colleague (a fervent Obama backer) and received the following response:

"This website is simply incorrect - I The lines they have underlined and in bold face were most certainly NOT edited out of the interview I actually heard these in the interview - not the one on 20/20 Friday night, but on an earlier segment of the ABC news Thurs. night."

Can anyone confirm or refute this?

Yes, the website is clearly incorrect.

362 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:23am

re: #288 Sharmuta

I doubt it was me you're referring to, but my thoughts at that point were that Senator McCain has wanted to be President for a long time, and that he should be given a chance to show he'll fight for it. I think he's done just that in the last month from his ads to picking Sarah. At this point, until the debates, I would continue to hand the 0bama camp and msm more rope.

IF I read you correctly, SHAME on McCain for putting Palin out there to be a target for Obamanations agression. What kind o man is he, hiding behind a woman? Albeit one who is ultra capable of thrashing the Obamanation like the cowardly hack he is.

Have the high speed cameras ready for when she strikes back, you will needthem to capture the immage of him filling his drawers as he darts to safety under the skirts of the Koskidz.

363 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:24am

re: #347 Racer X

This kid is real lucky.

Why didn't the father know his daughter had a boyfriend?

364 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:38am

re: #346 Lynn B.

Hey, didja see my comment to you at #269 above?

365 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:46am

You know what really infuriates me about the MSM?

I'm a middle-class American, raised by middle-class, patriotic, Depression/WW2 era parents (they had me when my mom was in her late 30's and my dad was in his early 40's). My parents never pushed religion on me, although we did go to Methodist church when I was young (we stopped when my mother started working in the JCPenney catalog department to bring in some more money ... my dad ran a small truck equipment and repair business). My dad was in the 106th Infantry Division during WW2, although he was mustered out before seeing combat due to his asthma condition. I didn't go to college until after I had been working a few years, and then I went to an adult extension college part time ... a Christian college, by the way. I don't make a lot of money in my customer service job ... for a non-profit religious organization, by the way ... and can barely afford my mortgage payments and utilities and groceries since my divorce.

I have this background ... I'm no elitist by a long shot ... and I'm a conservative on practically every issue, but I'm an atheist and I accept evolution. My dad is also an atheist, something I suspected for quite a while but wasn't confirmed until after my mom died. But he's a staunch Republican conservative who listens to Rush every day.

What pisses me off about the MSM and the elitist liberals in charge of it is that they work so hard to polarize debate in this country. They attack the very American idea that people can have very different views on many issues and yet share many common values. And this has, unfortunately, contributed to a reaction on the "other" side, in which atheists in general are accused of being liberals by default, of having NO values or morals, and in which I.D. is gaining traction for inclusion in high school science programs because "atheistic evolution" is seen as part of a liberal or Left-wing plot to destroy faith and Judeo/Christian values.

Look at the fruits. Look how hard it is for us to have a thoughtful discussion about evolution/I.D. even here on LGF.

I'm not saying the MSM is entirely responsible for this state of affairs. There are people and groups on the "other side," too, who seem to delight in creating polarization and conflict where none need exist. But the MSM, although it has been shrinking, still has enormous power and influence. It COULD be a powerful agent for explaining the issues objectively and generating consensus, instead it chooses to divide us and pit us against each other.

366 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:50am

re: #354 Cap'n DOC

Heh. I rest my case. Ya struck out.

Bravo.

I'm sure your point, whatever it was, was important and well-stated.

367 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:18:56am

re: #317 nyc redneck

i agree, the 'one' and biden are worried. i don't think hillary will get on board that sinking ship. what a disaster for the dems, no matter what they do at this point.
and hill and bill must be smiling that 'i told you so' smirk.
it really is incredible how this has unfolded.


GMTA! lol

368 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:19:12am
369 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:19:45am

re: #301 kcladderman

Thanks so much. My husband is also a Navy vet (85-90) and our son is in fact going through the same training his dad did.

370 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:12am

re: #355 ploome hineni

no

but the blatant and rediculous nature of the MSM and individuals like Whoopie-am I gonna be a slave again-, disgust a lot of people

whooopie, whose claim to fame is 9 FUCKING ABORTIONS

/who would want to do her?

ugh

that imbecile had 9 abortions? what a bad choice for birth control.
you'd think after the first abortions, she could have figured something out.

371 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:21am

re: #330 lawhawk

Were you on the East Coast or the West Coast - because apparently ABC carried two versions - "fixing" issues from the East Coast feed.

I'm on the East Coast. Maybe they'll do us the honor of releasing one complete unedited version (not holding my breath), since in my quest to assure myself I haven't lost my mind I've now found several different versions with different parts edited out.

372 musicman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #333 DaddyO

Well this definitely makes a point

That is just too painful to watch twice!

373 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #362 JeremyR

IF I read you correctly, SHAME on McCain for putting Palin out there to be a target for Obamanations agression. What kind o man is he, hiding behind a woman? Albeit one who is ultra capable of thrashing the Obamanation like the cowardly hack he is.

Have the high speed cameras ready for when she strikes back, you will needthem to capture the immage of him filling his drawers as he darts to safety under the skirts of the Koskidz.

SHAME on McCain for masterfully playing politics? Shoot, I'd be honored to hide behind Palin ;)

374 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:31am

re: #356 pingjockey

Yeah. So they charge the father? WTF is up with that?

He has a pretty good argument in his defense. He found a naked man in his daughter's bedroom. He did not know who this person was and assumed it was an attack on his child. He chased the man away and called the police.

Kid is lucky dad did not have a gun.

375 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:41am

re: #39 dave in NC

Given the treatment of Governor Palin over the last two weeks, this should come as no surprise. Remember, Hussein will owe them BIG-TIME if the MSM can make him president.

However, I have faith in the native intelligence of the American people, to send this empty suit back to the senate.

I hope they send him back to community organizing.

376 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:54am

re: #346 Lynn B.

No disagreement...

377 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:20:57am

re: #366 Cognito

GAZE...

378 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:21:37am

re: #369 doppelganglander
Congrats! Has Dad filled him in on the arcane knowledge of 'sea bats', 'bucket of steam', 'mail buoys' and the like?

379 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:21:45am

re: #345 christheprofessor

I agree completely. Hell, when they edit movies for network broadcast, they note at the beginning, "Edited for time and content" or some such. I would think that news organizations should be at least held to that standard.

/you didn't think I was defending the editing, did you?

I've been arguing for years that this should be done.

And ALL articles should have footnotes. Journalism is the only "profession" that doesn't have to support their assertions with evidence.

380 HD Woman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:21:50am

Governor Palin handled Charlie very well, and I am amused by by the descriptions of "uncomfortable"... blah blah you get it.

When I watched Governor Palin, I saw the fire in her eyes that reminded me so very much of my Mom and my older sister. They are smart, quick thinking ladies that have a strength inside them that really should make fools quake in their boots, if they had that much sense. Unlike me, they are ladies that will not slap a guy like Charlie down deep into the mud he's slinging and pin his ears back. They are ladies, and they remember that, even when they are talking to close minded idiots.

She saw exactly what Charlie was trying to do. He couldn't get it done, so they edited it and released it in piece-meal so it LOOKED like he did.

I wish Algore was older, if he had invented the Internet sooner, we may never have had a President Carter, and we never would have had Americans being held hostage in Iran for 444 days.

381 kynna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:21:56am

re: #299 SpartanWoman

Or indecision, so it will have to look cardiac or neurological

I don't think they'd get away with it. Everyone would know that BO had ordered it.

And again it just goes to BO's inability to make a decent decision. Biden's had health problems for a long time. I was astonished at his choice, but to cut him loose at this point would be so obvious and would reflect so poorly on BO I don't think he'd overcome it.

The PUMAs are saying they won't vote for BO/Hillary unless she's at the top of the ticket. They are very bitter against BO (for good reason). I think it would be very bad for Hillary if she threw in with BO at this point. Her best shot is to run against Palin in 2012 without any taint of BO.

382 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:02am

re: #361 Cognito
Well I'm not sure what website your talking about, but Mark Levin is definetly correct in his piece. At least in the interview aired on the East Coast, those underlined items were NOT included in the interview.

383 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:09am
384 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:09am

re: #330 lawhawk

Were you on the East Coast or the West Coast - because apparently ABC carried two versions - "fixing" issues from the East Coast feed.

I'll bet that explains it, because I saw the East Coast feed, the one on the evening news at 7pm, and I don't recall those underlined phrases at all.

385 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:10am

re: #374 Racer X
Damn straight!

386 Syrah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:24am

re: #360 itellu3times

Palin was right, as we noted Tuesday. Although she had spoken the words Gibson attributed to her, his rendition of the quote was a dowdification. He took the words out of context to make a prayer that "the task is from God" appear to be an assertion that it is.

Ouch.

That has to hurt.

I checked her Wiki. Dowdification is listed there as well.

387 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:48am

re: #369 doppelganglander

Thanks so much. My husband is also a Navy vet (85-90) and our son is in fact going through the same training his dad did.

I was 81-85. Worked on the flight deck of the USS INDEPENDENCE .

388 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:49am

10 Days in the national spotlight and most of that she has been under intense personal attack with lies and rumors about her family and her qualifications, she did well.

Like to see Obama put under the microscope for 10 days with attacks on his wife and children, whether he is a good father and all his associations and ties and then go and do an interview.

He doesn't even seem to be able to manage to not get flustered and slip up when the interviewers are not condescending towards him and are there to "fix" it when he makes a mistake!

389 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:58am

re: #367 newsjunkie_ky

GMTA! lol

lol, i noticed your post too.

390 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:22:59am

re: #357 SpartanWoman

Of course not.

Cool beans...

Perhaps the MSM should be required to have an "Edited for meaning" precursor before their chopped up interviews are aired...

391 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:03am

re: #382 realwest

Well I'm not sure what website your talking about, but Mark Levin is definetly correct in his piece. At least in the interview aired on the East Coast, those underlined items were NOT included in the interview.

I dunno. They're in the interview as posted here at LGF -- pulled straight from ABC.

392 realwest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:10am

re: #382 realwest
And, of course, UPI was correct as well.

393 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:20am

re: #362 JeremyR

I don't think that was his intent at all- but as many conservative women in the spotlight would attest, it should have been expected. If Governor Palin didn't know she was going to be trashed like this, then I would have to say that was naive on her part. I think she most likely did know and was ready for the fight.

394 JSK1121  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:30am

Anyone seen this book yet? Pretty clever methinks.

[Link: www.obamaresearch.com...]

395 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:38am

re: #323 Sharmuta

Remember what Fred Thompson said? "If I were Joe Biden, I'd get that VP thing in writing."

396 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:23:44am

re: #355 ploome hineni

no

but the blatant and rediculous nature of the MSM and individuals like Whoopie-am I gonna be a slave again-, disgust a lot of people

whooopie, whose claim to fame is 9 FUCKING ABORTIONS

/who would want to do her?

ugh

Nine abortions? yikes. on the plus side, she would have been an unfit mother, but still killing nine children is WRONG.

397 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:24:04am

re: #350 kawfytawk

could it be that would aired on TV is not what is being aired in online videos?

Well that's for sure. But that wouldn't be ABC doing the editing.

Just to be clear, it was really obvious that the version I saw was highly edited and cut off a number of her answers. It's just that they just weren't the same ones Levin highlighted.

398 Cognito  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:24:40am

re: #382 realwest

Well I'm not sure what website your talking about, but Mark Levin is definetly correct in his piece. At least in the interview aired on the East Coast, those underlined items were NOT included in the interview.

I should be clear -- I don't know about all the bolded portions of the 'transcript,' I just cited one error that jumped out at me, and which is most certainly in the ABC show that Charles linked.

399 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:24:54am

re: #395 Dianna

Rudy was the one who made that quip in his speech.

400 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:24:59am

re: #363 MandyManners

Why didn't the father know his daughter had a boyfriend?

What sucks is that the fatehr got arrested for beating a nude brat who had no business being there and naked. The cop who did that is a loser.

401 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:25:42am

re: #395 Dianna

Remember what Fred Thompson said? "If I were Joe Biden, I'd get that VP thing in writing."

Yes- he had me laughing out loud with that crack. Maybe it's now 0bama who should get a commitment in writing from biden!

402 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:25:43am

re: #379 Noam Chumpski

I've been arguing for years that this should be done.

And ALL articles should have footnotes. Journalism is the only "profession" that doesn't have to support their assertions with evidence.

Heh. Check my #390...

403 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:26:16am

re: #399 lawhawk

Rudy was the one who made that quip in his speech.

Was it Rudy? Whoever it was cracked me up.

404 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:26:17am

re: #4 Opinionated

I wonder how Republicans would do in elections if they only had to run against Democrats and not the Democrats/media tag team?

We are about to find out.

405 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:26:18am

re: #400 JeremyR

What sucks is that the fatehr got arrested for beating a nude brat who had no business being there and naked. The cop who did that is a loser.

No, the cop who did that was upholding the law. You aren't really allowed to beat people with metal pipes because you're angry at them; the law is pretty clear on that point.

406 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:26:32am

re: #366 Cognito

I take the last one back. My point was you're shillin' for Gibson and I made it.

407 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:27:49am

re: #370 nyc redneck

that imbecile had 9 abortions? what a bad choice for birth control.
you'd think after the first abortions, she could have figured something out.

Damn, what are the odds of getting pregnant every single time one has sex?

/I've seen her pic...

408 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:27:59am

re: #405 Occasional Reader
Nude people ARE NOT allowed in daughters bedrooms in the middle of the night!

409 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:28:11am

re: #378 pingjockey

Congrats! Has Dad filled him in on the arcane knowledge of 'sea bats', 'bucket of steam', 'mail buoys' and the like?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess these are the naval equivalent of a snipe hunt. Seriously, though, it's been a revelation how much the training has changed for the better. Not to mention that our formerly slacker son is a much better student than his dad was.

410 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:28:23am

re: #400 JeremyR

Uhhh, no. The cop who did that had no choice, under the statute for assault.

remember, police enforce the law, courts adjudicate it.