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McCain Sets 'Em Up, Knocks 'Em Down

Politics | Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:47:49 pm PDT

Maybe I’m cynical, but I can’t help suspecting that the Obama campaign was set up by John McCain’s self-deprecating statements about not “getting” the Internet. Here’s a Forbes article from 2000, and it’s clear that McCain is nowhere near as clueless as Obama would like to portray him: Forbes.com - Net Vs. Norm.

In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate’s savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. “She’s a whiz on the keyboard, and I’m so laborious,” McCain admits.

If it was a setup, Obama fell right into the trap.

(Hat tip: Jim Geraghty.)

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1 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:49:56pm

John McCain: In a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.

2 filetandrelease  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:50:22pm
The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type.

That's going to leave a mark

3 Arbalest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:51:01pm

" The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type."

I'm John McCain, and I lived this message.

4 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:51:12pm

The ad sucks. Someone baited the obama camp, and being the bottomfeeders that they are...

5 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:51:36pm

Being a Self-Appointed Superior being means never having to think more than one step ahead.

6 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:51:37pm

Rove McCain you magnificent bastard!

7 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:52:03pm

Maybe if Obama was in the Senate more, he'd know that McCain is the Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee.

/Instead of forming Presidental Exploratory Committees when he should have been representing the people of Ill.

8 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:52:22pm

Being a Self-Appointed Superior being means never having to complete an OODA loop.

9 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:52:53pm

There is such blatant disdain from the left - clueless disdain.

10 figgles  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:52:56pm

Shouldn't it be "were" not "was," as in a condition to the contrary?

11 Arbalest  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:53:21pm

Actually, and for the record, I am not John McCain.

I missed the quotes.

But that closing line should be used by the McCain Campaign on several of the TV spots.

12 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:53:46pm

Why doesn't Obama just come out with an ad where he looks at the camera and says, "I'm Barack Obama, and I'm a pretentious asshole"?

13 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:53:51pm

re: #7 mitthrawnurdo

You are assuming of course that a drone of the Chicago Machine actually represents anyone other than the Machine in Illinois.

:-)

14 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:54:01pm

Barack should get Michelle to do some Googling for him. He could see the traps in advance.

15 rob S.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:54:20pm

My initial reaction was that McCain was too modest to complain about his injuries. As much as he talks about them, he's never personally said what his physical limitations are. Everybody else explains what they are. Even better how Obama reacted and how it's getting played now.

16 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:54:25pm
Here’s a Forbes article from 200o,

Ah, Charles? Little proofing error, here.

17 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:54:35pm

re: #8 The Other Les

Being a Self-Appointed Superior being means never having to complete an OODA loop.

Whassat?

18 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:54:46pm

Being a Self-Appointed Superior being means never having to have a clue.

19 Billy Hank  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:55:16pm

That's probably why The One's press secretay trotted out his "sleaziest, least honorable, campaign in history" [Link: www.politico.com...] remarks. If only McCain had told them, they wouldn't have made such fools of themselves. It was his responsibility to tell them and he shirked it, shirked it.

20 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:55:18pm

re: #7 mitthrawnurdo

Maybe if Obama was in the Senate more, he'd know that McCain is the Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee.

/Instead of forming Presidental Exploratory Committees when he should have been representing the people of Ill.

that needs many more up-dings!

21 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:55:20pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Barack should get Michelle to do some Googling for him. He could see the traps in advance.

That's just plain mean. Maybe his cocaine usage has rendered him too shaky to use a computer.

22 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:55:34pm

So the boys want to play war with the old veteran, huh? I think he might think in terms of tactics, strategies, surprise and diversion—not just sound bites, polls and reactions.

23 pestolover  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:55:38pm

If the Dems don't evolve they'll die out.

24 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:55:38pm

re: #12 cliffster

Why doesn't Obama just come out with an ad where he looks at the camera and says, "I'm Barack Obama, and I'm a pretentious asshole"?

Nah, that would require honesty in an advertisement. It would throw their mojo off.

25 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:55:46pm

Charles, I thought the same. Also the comment about not getting the economy. Puh-leeze, the guy has been in the senate for over twenty years. Methinks that Mac is a kidder, and of course the left doesn't get it because they have no sense of humor.

26 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:55:50pm

re: #17 Intrepid

Whassat?

Here you go.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

27 Wild Knight  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:55:52pm

Doh! Even I fell for the trap, it was that cleverly baited. McCain is playing several moves ahead of an opposition that has not even set its pieces on the board. At this rate, all excitement will go out of the race by the end of September. Oh well, as long as I still get to celebrate the victory...

28 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:55:58pm

Obama looks bad picking on disabled vets.

29 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:56:07pm

re: #10 figgles

Where? Please block-quote the problematic sentence.

30 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:56:12pm

Better yet this quote from the same article:

McCain himself was convinced early on that the Internet had to play a critical role in the campaign. Time and again it allowed him to leverage his money and his organization. “In the Virginia primary,” McCain told me, “we needed a lot of petitions signed to get on the ballot. We had the form available to download off the Internet and got 17,000 signatures with very little trouble.”

Before Howard Dean, before MyObama.com, before any Dkos fund raising effort John McCain was tapping the net. Leading a group of experts to do what he didn’t know how to do, and doing so very well.

Leadership is not being able to do everything yourself rather leadership is guiding your specialists to the desired conclusion.

31 markie  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:56:45pm

The Presidential election was too close to call. Neither the Republican candidate nor the Democratic candidate had enough votes to win. There was much talk about ballot recounting, court challenges, etc., but a week-long ice fishing competition seemed the sportsmanlike way to settle things. The candidate that caught the most fish at the end of the week would win the election.

After much of back and forth discussion, it was decided that the contest take place on a remote frozen lake in northern Minnesota .

There were to be no observers present, and both men were to be sent out separately on this isolated lake and return at 5 P.M. with their catch for counting and verification by a team of neutral parties. At the end of the first day, John McCain returned to the starting line and he had ten fish.

Soon, Obama returned and had no fish. Well, everyone assumed he was just having another 'bad hair' day or something and hopefully, he would catch up the next day.

At the end of the 2nd day McCain came in with 20 fish and Obama came in again with none.

That evening, Harry Reid got together secretly with Obama and said, 'Obama, I think John McCain is a low-life, cheatin' son-of-a-*****. I want you to go out tomorrow and don't even bother with fishing. Just spy on him and see just how he is cheating.'

The next night (after John McCain returns with 50 fish), Harry Reid said to Obama, 'Well, tell me, how is John McCain cheating?'

Obama replied, 'Harry, you're not going to believe this, but he's cutting holes in the ice.'


Experience Counts.

32 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:56:46pm

Monica Crowley is hammering the Obama BIG time on WABC. Go Monica!

33 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:56:49pm

This story is from 2000?

34 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:56:50pm

McCain is so far inside BHO OODA loop his running the campaign....

BWAHAHAHAHA!

35 yah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:57:55pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

I think he has her locked up somewhere.

36 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:58:00pm

Although I understand the limitations of Sen. McCain, this whole fiasco is not about him. The ad (which I've seen on the web BTW) appears condescending and coarse. A modicum of research would have come up with the very same information that Charles has revealed, even if he's giving the HatTip to someone else. The obamessiah's campaign is being run by a bunch of 'cool' hipsters with pocket protectors - or so it seems. How many times does this make that the obamessiah has walked into a spinning propeller this week?

37 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:58:02pm

re: #33 Peter Verkooijen

This story is from 2000?

Yes.

38 susanl  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:58:31pm

I was shocked and offended when I heard about this yesterday.

I think Obama has realized that he isn't up to the job and is sabotaging himself. What else could it possibly be, no one could be that stupid, could they? Between this and the pig....

S

39 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:58:36pm

re: #34 jcm

JM learned from some veddy devious types, didn't he?

40 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:58:48pm

re: #13 The Other Les

Yeah, that was a bad assumption on my part. My mistake.

/If Obama is "Jesus", than "God" must be the Illinois Democratic Machine.

41 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:58:48pm

i don't know if it was a set-up or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.
in any case, whoever is running the operation for McCain has done a masterful job. they've got BO totally flummoxed, off message, stuttering, sputtering, stammering, and generally flailing wildly in all directions.

42 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:59:02pm

re: #1 Intrepid

John McCain: In a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.

You know, at this point, that's the main thing I worry about ... people voting for Barry because they feel sorry for him.

43 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:59:10pm

I certainly hope this has legs.

Has anyone seen anything in the MSM critical of The Obama on this issue (or any issue, for that matter)?

44 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:59:21pm

re: #26 The Other Les

Here you go.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thanks! I think Obama's crew follows a "DODO" loop.

45 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:59:26pm

Obama has been completely outplayed by McCain in every front.

Brilliant maneuver picking Sarah Palin. Attack her on her experience - "what about Obama"? Dig up dirt on her - and she gets all the headlines for a few weeks while Obama gets none. No substantial dirt found - all lies and bias from the MSM and the public caught on real quick to it. She is a down-to-earth likable woman with executive experience. Game, set, match.

Brilliant, just brilliant.

46 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:59:31pm

re: #38 susanl

I was shocked and offended when I heard about this yesterday.

I think Obama has realized that he isn't up to the job and is sabotaging himself. What else could it possibly be, no one could be that stupid, could they? Between this and the pig....

S

Maybe just one of his 300 advisors is creating a little chaos.

47 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 12:59:59pm

re: #44 Intrepid

Thanks! I think Obama's crew follows a "DODO" loop.

LOL

48 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:00:16pm

re: #36 Cap'n DOC

Although I understand the limitations of Sen. McCain, this whole fiasco is not about him. The ad (which I've seen on the web BTW) appears condescending and coarse. A modicum of research would have come up with the very same information that Charles has revealed, even if he's giving the HatTip to someone else. The obamessiah's campaign is being run by a bunch of 'cool' hipsters with pocket protectors - or so it seems. How many times does this make that the obamessiah has walked into a spinning propeller this week?

I noted the research bit earlier.
BHO's campaign has got serious problems. You supposed the snot out of your opponent. The missed an article in a major paper? Speaks to a poorly run campaign on BHO's part.

49 Miss Molly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:00:23pm

Sometimes you get the impression that Obama thinks he should just be given the Presidency because he wants it and the rest of us should just give it to him and stop complaining that he has neither the experience or abilities for this job. And. just how great is "the Obama" at computer skills because he never mentions those either.

50 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:00:42pm

Fuggles? I think that in American English, Charles' construction is fine. Goddess of the Classroom would know for certain, but I don't see her.

51 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:00:57pm

Better yet. From CNN

McCain cashes in with Internet fund-raising chat

February 11, 2000
Web posted at: 12:07 p.m. EST (1707 GMT)

CHARLESTON, South Carolina (CNN) -- In a new approach toÊthe often tedious campaign task of raising money, Republican presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain chatted on the Internet Thursday with 500 people who paid $100 each to watch him via satellite and send in e-mail queries.

The Arizona senator was online for about an hour during a multimedia webcast from the College of Charleston moderated by his wife, Cindy. He answered e-mail questions on a wide range of topics, including the environment, patriotism, and Internet taxation.

Although Bush has taken in more than four times as much money as McCain so far in the 2000 presidential campaign, McCain has out-raised his Texas rival -- as well as Democratic hopefuls Al Gore and Bill Bradley -- over the Internet. More than $1 million in credit card donations alone flooded into the McCain Web site 48 hours after his victory in the New Hampshire primary.

"It will change America permanently because the next presidential campaign will be run over the Internet," McCain predicted

52 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:01:07pm
Only please, Brer Fox, please don't throw me into the briar patch.

/could the Obama campaign be any more inept, we're supposed to elect this amateur President?

53 dentate  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:01:15pm

McCain was a FIGHTER PILOT, for crying out loud. He LIVED (and nearly died) with technology--and that 60s instrumentation and avionics required a far greater level of understanding and interpretation than what we have now. Anyone who has spent half an hour with an old pilot knows they never forget that stuff. What technology, exactly, has Obama mastered, other than the Teleprompter?

54 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:01:35pm

re: #39 vagabond trader

JM learned from some veddy devious types, didn't he?

He learned to fly combat, undoubted learned Boyd's lessons. He survived 5 and a half years in the Hanoi Hilton.

I'd say he's got a bunch of tricks.

55 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:02:07pm

Ads such as this are revealing. The Obama camp is clearly frustrated. McCain was supposed to run a respectable campaign and lose with dignity, 'ala Bob Dole in 96. They are just flinging turds on the wall and hoping one sticks, the Kos strategy.

56 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:02:09pm

How is all this helpful to the Obama girls.

57 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:02:13pm

re: #36 Cap'n DOC

Although I understand the limitations of Sen. McCain, this whole fiasco is not about him. The ad (which I've seen on the web BTW) appears condescending and coarse. A modicum of research would have come up with the very same information that Charles has revealed, even if he's giving the HatTip to someone else. The obamessiah's campaign is being run by a bunch of 'cool' hipsters with pocket protectors - or so it seems. How many times does this make that the obamessiah has walked into a spinning propeller this week?

I like that image!

I'ma baaad person ...

58 jetprop  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:02:24pm

0bama: Judgement to umm..ahh..I.. ahh..uhh..uhh..I..ahh..

59 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:02:34pm

re: #53 dentate

What technology, exactly, has Obama mastered, other than the Teleprompter?

The mirror

60 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:02:40pm

re: #44 Intrepid

Thanks! I think Obama's crew follows a "DODO" loop.

LOL!

61 addison  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:02:55pm

Let us assume nothing is wrong with McCain. Even if it were true that he did not use a computer, so what?

What does using a computer have to do with values, executive leadership ability, and leadership? It's a non sequitur to imply (indirectly or implicitly) use a computer has some effect on Presidential ability.

It goes to show how little the Obama campaign thinks or researches before releasing ads. The President's access to computers and wireless communication devices is heavily curtailed for security reasons. And that the Obama campaign thought voters would recall in horror--"That old man can't use a computer!"--shows the insularity of their organization.

Not one person said, "Hold on. Even if he doesn't use e-mail, what does it matter in regards to his fitness to be President?" True believers don't question, they follow.

62 Catttt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:03:07pm

I just posted the following on a couple of youtube vids playing this Obama ad up.

Senator McCain's nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. So go ahead and make fun of how it's hard, because of his POW injuries, for McCain to do this himself.

I think that the Obama folks are trying to emulate the quick, on point ads that the McCain camp have been doing so well. However, they suck at this and therefore stumble over their own feet.

Also, the Obama camp has been in a defensive position for months, and their attempts at offense almost always backfire, because they are playing on the other guy's home ground.

Luckily for us, the McCain campaign includes people like the brilliant Steve Schmidt, who actually know what they are doing.

63 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:03:18pm

re: #53 dentate

The new, handy, dandy Foot-In-Mouth O'-Matic?

64 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:03:25pm

re: #57 yma o hyd

But in a good way!

65 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:03:37pm

Does Charles do a fix when we point out the error, or is he faster than we? I always check, after I've posted something I noticed, and within a couple minutes it gets fixed. I've always wondered about that.

66 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:03:40pm

Those guys over at Obama Univ. aren't quick.

This internet ad they threw out there is just one big screw up and they ran it nationwide.

67 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:03:49pm

re: #49 Miss Molly

Sometimes you get the impression that Obama thinks he should just be given the Presidency because he wants it and the rest of us should just give it to him and stop complaining that he has neither the experience or abilities for this job. And. just how great is "the Obama" at computer skills because he never mentions those either.

Imagine if the Dems had been smart and nominated Hillary with Barry as her Veep understudy. Or at the very least if he'd picked Hillary as his running mate. McCain's pick of Sarah Palin wouldn't have had nearly as much impact.

Things weren't going swimmingly prior to the convention, but the second Barry passed over on Hillary everything began to go horribly, horribly wrong ...

68 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:03:57pm

re: #46 debutaunt

Maybe just one of his 300 advisors is creating a little chaos.

I think Barry's campaign staff is filled with a bunch of arrogant, "we're-always-in-the-right", "research-we-don't-need-no-stinking-research", immature morons who just do what seems cool at the moment. They threw the latest McCain/Internet ad together and fed Barry the "lipstick-pig" speech without bothering to think three seconds ahead.

69 TN_Vol  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:04:00pm

At least with McCain you'll never get a text message at 3:00 AM with information everybody already knows (ie. DingleBarry's VP pick).

DingleBarry looks more incompetent everyday.

70 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:04:05pm

re: #51 Quilly Mammoth

Better yet. From CNN


Although Bush has taken in more than four times as much money as McCain so far in the 2000 presidential campaign, McCain has out-raised his Texas rival -- as well as Democratic hopefuls Al Gore and Bill Bradley -- over the Internet. More than $1 million in credit card donations alone flooded into the McCain Web site 48 hours after his victory in the New Hampshire primary.

"It will change America permanently because the next presidential campaign will be run over the Internet," McCain predicted

Can I borrow some updings from anyone? This post needs more.

71 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:04:20pm

On Fox they reported a few minutes ago that the most likely cause of yesterday's train crash is that the Metrolink engineer ran a red light. Also, he was a contractor filling in, not a Metrolink employee, and he was killed in the crash.

/which kind of makes one wonder . . . what if . . . what was his name?

72 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:04:40pm

re: #15 rob S.

My initial reaction was that McCain was too modest to complain about his injuries. As much as he talks about them, he's never personally said what his physical limitations are. Everybody else explains what they are. Even better how Obama reacted and how it's getting played now.

I have a friend who knew a man that always seemed in good health, never complained. That man died. My friend was at the mortician's and the mortician asked him to come into the back room. The man who died was laying there. With no clothes on you could clearly see unset broken bones, terrible scars from burns, places where muscles had been mangled. The man had had the privilege of being the Nazi SS's special guest at one time. The man who died was St. Nikolai Velimirovich.

73 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:04:41pm

re: #53 dentate

McCain was a FIGHTER PILOT, for crying out loud. He LIVED (and nearly died) with technology--and that 60s instrumentation and avionics required a far greater level of understanding and interpretation than what we have now. Anyone who has spent half an hour with an old pilot knows they never forget that stuff. What technology, exactly, has Obama mastered, other than the Teleprompter?

Front office of a Skyhawk. Whittle made a similar point about Bush. McCain had to fiddle all those knobs, fly the plane, navigate the plane, put ordinance on target.
While people where shooting all kinds of shit at him.

Dumb shits don't fly combat jets.

74 Thanos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:04:42pm

Someone needs to tell McCain about Dragonspeak so Cindy can take a break :)

75 Reno911  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:05:18pm

re: #8 The Other Les

Actually I think Obama is stuck in a Doom Loop.

76 addison  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:05:54pm

re: #67 Tigger2005

Imagine if the Dems had been smart and nominated Hillary with Barry as her Veep understudy. Or at the very least if he'd picked Hillary as his running mate. McCain's pick of Sarah Palin wouldn't have had nearly as much impact.

Things weren't going swimmingly prior to the convention, but the second Barry passed over on Hillary everything began to go horribly, horribly wrong ...

They probably would have won easily with the potential of a 16-year stretch of Presidency to Democrats.

77 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:06:03pm

Now didn't Michelle Obama say, referring to Barack, "He certainly isn't afraid to surround himself with intelligent people", as a dig against Sarah Palin?

Since she made that statement, the "intelligent" Joe Biden has done the following:

* Said "Sarah Palin as VP would be a step backwards for women"

* Stated that Hillary Clinton would be a better, more qualified VP candidate than he is

* Called out to wheelchair bound Chuck Graham, "Come on Chuck, STAND UP! Let 'em see ya!", which was followed with, "Oh God love ya, Chuck - we'll stand up for you!"

Yes, Michelle, your husband has great judgement in picking "intelligent" people to surround himself with.

78 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:06:04pm

re: #75 Reno911

Actually I think Obama is stuck in a Doom Loop.

Dumb Loop.
;-)

79 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:06:07pm

Problem is, the truth of the situation doesn't matter. Obama puts out suggestions that McCain doesn't even know how to use a computer, and people hear it and just believe it. Most people aren't spending their free time reading Charles's topics and the links posted on this site, so those misleading assertions go into peoples' brains unquestioned.

80 willowone  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:06:33pm

PRINCETON, NJ -- The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking results for Sept. 10-12 show the race now statistically tied, with John McCain at 47% and Barack Obama at 45% among registered voters[Link: www.gallup.com...]

81 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:06:43pm

re: #61 addison

Let us assume nothing is wrong with McCain. Even if it were true that he did not use a computer, so what?

What does using a computer have to do with values, executive leadership ability, and leadership? It's a non sequitur to imply (indirectly or implicitly) use a computer has some effect on Presidential ability.

It goes to show how little the Obama campaign thinks or researches before releasing ads. The President's access to computers and wireless communication devices is heavily curtailed for security reasons. And that the Obama campaign thought voters would recall in horror--"That old man can't use a computer!"--shows the insularity of their organization.

Not one person said, "Hold on. Even if he doesn't use e-mail, what does it matter in regards to his fitness to be President?" True believers don't question, they follow.

My first impression was "He doesn't use a computer? So what? People have functioned well for millenia without computers."

Now that The Obama has hit himself in the face with a pie it is great to laugh.

82 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:07:07pm

re: #77 Intrepid

Whenever I hear pundits and pols bragging how intelligent the flavor of the month is my eyes glaze over.

83 Perry  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:07:27pm

re: #74 Thanos

Someone needs to tell McCain about Dragonspeak so Cindy can take a break :)

It may be a companionable kind of thing.

84 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:07:38pm

re: #71 Killian Bundy

On Fox they reported a few minutes ago that the most likely cause of yesterday's train crash is that the Metrolink engineer ran a red light. Also, he was a contractor filling in, not a Metrolink employee, and he was killed in the crash.

Is this some kind of metaphorical code-speak about the Obama campaign? Seriously.

85 abolitionist  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:08:35pm

re: #17 Intrepid

Whassat?

From Bill Whittle:

Observe.
Orient.
Decide.
Act.

Then Observe.
Orient.
Decide.
Act.

Then Observe…

It’s a cycle. It’s a loop. It’s called by its inelegant acronym: The OODA loop.

FORTY SECOND BOYD AND THE BIG PICTURE (Part 1)

86 looking closely  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:09:11pm

re: #42 Tigger2005

You know, at this point, that's the main thing I worry about ... people voting for Barry because they feel sorry for him.

Nobody deliberately votes for an idiot they feel sorry for.

87 addison  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:09:13pm

re: #61 addison

Let us assume nothi....
blah, blah, lots of typos

[I must be having a weird day. Let's try that again.]

Let us assume nothing is wrong with McCain. Even if it were true that he did not use a computer, so what?

What does using a computer have to do with values, executive ability, and leadership? It's a non sequitur to imply (indirectly or implicitly) use of a computer has some effect on Presidential ability.

It goes to show how little the Obama campaign thinks or researches before releasing ads. The President's access to computers and wireless communication devices is heavily curtailed for security reasons. And that the Obama campaign thought voters would recoil in horror--"That old man can't use a computer!"--shows the insularity of their organization.

Not one person in the Obama organization said, "Hold on. Even if he doesn't use e-mail, what does it matter in regards to his fitness to be President?" True believers don't question, they follow.

88 SouthAmericanWay  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:09:16pm

Reminder of the Day:

The election is 51 days away and the race is tightening again: what are YOU doing to make sure the McCain-Palin ticket will win? Have you been volunteering for the campaign? And did you know that you may sign up online? Have you sent contributions to the RNC or to the McCain-Palin Victory Fund 2008 (you may contribute here)?

What about your neighbors, friends, relatives, acquaintances: have you been trying to persuade them to vote for McCain, reminding them that Obama is the most radical major-party candidate in American history, a true Socialist with a shady history and dangerous connections?

89 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:09:27pm
90 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:09:32pm

Barack Obama says will NOT run for President 2008 election

Because he lacks experience.

/what a rube, bet this gets trotted out as a McCain ad before this is all over

91 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:09:34pm

re: #28 lone_wolf_in_illinois

No... Really?

Look - I've got some limitations myself - and not for the same reasons Sen. McCain has them, but I spent my time in the boots and acquired some scars in the process. Like Sen. McCain there are many, many things I can and will do for my country, and I don't want any sympathy for the things I cannot. He doesn't dwell on those things, and probably feels a bit embarrassed at the mere mention of those limitations. I know I do. I think he does as well. His spouse handles the keyboard. SO WHAT?

This ad was a cheap shot, and I don't think any intelligent American is incapable of understanding how cheap it really was.

My kind of man.

92 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:09:39pm

re: #73 jcm

Front office of a Skyhawk. Whittle made a similar point about Bush. McCain had to fiddle all those knobs, fly the plane, navigate the plane, put ordinance on target.
While people where shooting all kinds of shit at him.

Dumb shits don't fly combat jets.

Jet fighter pilots have the most intense multi-tasking job in the world. Losing it or screwing up often means dying—they don't get do-overs.

93 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:09:45pm

I cannot wait for McCain's response ad - the one that:

a) points out his physical limitations caused by an enemy
b) makes note of his internet accomplishments going back before Obama was a Senator
c) trots out emails sent 10 years ago.

Its getting good.

94 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:10:11pm

re: #73 jcm

I don't think The Big ZERO could handle the front office of a Piper Cub.

But that's just my opinion.

95 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:10:48pm

re: #79 cliffster

Not in this case; McCain's physical difficulties are a little too obvious to the naked eye.

96 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:11:05pm

re: #71 Killian Bundy

On Fox they reported a few minutes ago that the most likely cause of yesterday's train crash is that the Metrolink engineer ran a red light. Also, he was a contractor filling in, not a Metrolink employee, and he was killed in the crash.

/which kind of makes one wonder . . . what if . . . what was his name?

Now they're saying the engineer fell asleep.

/nevermind

97 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:11:28pm

It's 3 O'Clock in the morning.
The phone rings.
You're groggy and surprised.
You get one chance to get it right.

Obama.
McCain.

Pick ONE of the above, and you don't have ten seconds to decide.

98 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:11:41pm

re: #94 The Other Les

He sure looks silly on a bicycle.

99 willowone  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:11:42pm

re: #89 ploome hineni
heck, they'll cover for Obama.

He'll come out and say, you guyz misunderstood the ad, why can't you understand me. whatz wrong with youz

100 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:11:47pm

I think McCain let them "assume" what they wanted to. As I recall the question was something to do with emails --which he doesn't type.

Proves two things: Obama took a statement about his not typing emails and made a false conclusion without knowing further detail and they failed to do any research.

101 ggt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:11:58pm

re: #79 cliffster

yes, it's the Misinformation Game.

Fun, isn't it?

102 Catttt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:12:06pm

re: #85 abolitionist

FORTY SECOND BOYD AND THE BIG PICTURE (Part 1)

Here is another good piece on the OODA loop, which is how I know about it, ,actually.

McCain and the OODA Loop

Man, is this guy a fighter pilot, or what?

There are two military concepts here that explain the (absolutely spectacular) choice of Governor Sarah Palin. Both of them are important to the training of a fighter pilot, and while one of them wasn't formulated until after McCain's flying career was over, it was an observation based on what fighter pilots had to know.

One of them is the "envelope" -- which is to say the parameters within which a fighter airplane must operate. The envelope can be seen as a sort of egg-shape, based on how quickly a plane can turn and maneuver. If your plane as a "tighter envelope" than another plane, the pilot has the advantage in a dogfight: you can turn inside the other plane, which means you can get into the perfect firing position, behind the opponent.

More important is the "OODA loop" -- which is the envelope for the pilot's thought process. How quickly can the pilot observe the situation, orient within the situation, decide, and act. If the pilot's OODA loop time is shorter, the pilot can overcome the slower.

At this point, we're seeing that McCain is completely within the Obama campaign's OODA loop -- they are out-thinking them and out-acting them -- and very problably the McCain campaign has a tighter envelope than the Obama campaign, as well.

103 susanl  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:12:25pm

re: #83 Perry

It may be a companionable kind of thing.

I agree, when you see them together, it is obvious that they love each other very much. It's really kind of cute.

I pray that we get the extremely classy Cindy McCain and not the WAB as First Lady. Bambi wins, they have to change the title. Can you imagine calling the angry hateful Michelle Obama a lady of any kind, let alone First Lady?

S

104 yah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:12:27pm

Obama's whole research team is up in Alaska digging for dirt on Sarah.

105 KingKenrod  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:14:07pm

The electoral race is still very close. A few busloads of voter fraud in Denver or Cleveland or Las Vegas could turn the election for Obama. Obama could take 3 Bush 2004 states - Iowa, Colorado, and New Mexico. Where is McCain going to make up those votes? New Hampshire? Pennsylvania? Michigan?

106 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:14:18pm

re: #92 David IV of Georgia

Jet fighter pilots have the most intense multi-tasking job in the world. Losing it or screwing up often means dying—they don't get do-overs.

It easier now (but far from easy), lot more automation. McCain's day it was a lot more hands on.

107 looking closely  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:14:18pm

re: #90 Killian Bundy

Barack Obama says will NOT run for President 2008 election

Because he lacks experience.

/what a rube, bet this gets trotted out as a McCain ad before this is all over

To be done properly, it would be an ad with the header "All candidates agree on one thing", then footage of:

a. Obama saying he's not ready to be President.
b. Biden saying Obama isn't ready to be President.
c. Hilary saying Obama isn't ready to be President.
d. Then McCain and Palin (together) saying "We agree, and approve this message".

THAT would be a sight to behold!

108 Wild Knight  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:14:59pm

re: #67 Tigger2005

Imagine if the Dems had been smart and nominated Hillary with Barry as her Veep understudy. Or at the very least if he'd picked Hillary as his running mate. McCain's pick of Sarah Palin wouldn't have had nearly as much impact.

Things weren't going swimmingly prior to the convention, but the second Barry passed over on Hillary everything began to go horribly, horribly wrong ...

re: #67 Tigger2005

What could Obama have done? He knew that an Obama-Hilary ticket would scare the bejesus out of any sane voter. So he went for a "safe suit" and patted himself on the back - until McCain unleashed Sarah. Oh dear. Almost makes me sorry for the guy. Almost.

109 Edgar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:15:07pm

Not a setup, IMO.

But McCain isn't clueless.

110 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:15:16pm

re: #102 Catttt

Any time I get a chance to watch "Dogfights" on the History Channel I do ... even the repeats.

View the series, and you know the strategy of the McCain campaign and the mindset that brings you this.

And as an added bonus, you still don't know what's coming next.

111 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:15:25pm

re: #103 susanl

If Obama wins, I'll be calling him "Mr. President" and his wife "First Lady," no matter how little I approve of them.

I'm not some leftist who will whine that he's not my president.

112 swampscott  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:15:27pm

Moohoohoo Hahaha!

Now on a more serious note, if the fool obama can fall for THAT what crap will our enemies be able to get away with?
Scary really.

113 cathypop  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:15:34pm

Heard Nobamas commercial on Friday morning and immediately thought why are they talking to me as if I am 5 years old? And what is with the background music? Nobama says something stupid and McCains people are right on top of it with a commercial. The mans team is amazing!

114 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:15:35pm

Obama has a speech he gave in 2004.

115 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:15:42pm

re: #74 Thanos

Someone needs to tell McCain about Dragonspeak so Cindy can take a break :)

I like to imagine them together, enjoying each others company as they respond to emails.

116 Penny T. Wienerdog  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:15:52pm

re: #31 markie

That's an ooold joke!

117 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:16:36pm

re: #104 yah

Obama's whole research team is up in Alaska digging for dirt on Sarah.

Someone had an ad from McCain about that. Compared them to a pack of wolves.

118 looking closely  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:16:36pm

re: #111 Dianna

If Obama wins, I'll be calling him "Mr. President" and his wife "First Lady," no matter how little I approve of them.

I'm not some leftist who will whine that he's not my president.

As the old saying goes, you salute the uniform, not the man.

119 dentate  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:16:37pm

re: #96 Killian Bundy

Now they're saying the engineer fell asleep.

/nevermind

How do they know that? They brought him back from the dead to ask him?

120 susanl  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:16:57pm

re: #111 Dianna

Oh, I know. I will too, but it is going to stick in the craw a bit. :)

S

121 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:17:01pm

re: #99 willowone

Yeah - he's done this before.
works really well, because now ll those who didn't know about this before will look it up to see why he's speaking about it ...

Backfire!

122 Perry  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:17:13pm

re: #111 Dianna

If Obama wins, I'll be calling him "Mr. President" and his wife "First Lady," no matter how little I approve of them.

I'm not some leftist who will whine that he's not my president.

I admire your respect for the office. You might have to hold my hand to make me call him something so respectful. Or I could just have a piece of chocolate every time it must be said.

123 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:17:19pm

re: #118 looking closely

Right.

Not that I'll be happy about it.

124 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:17:33pm

re: #109 Edgar

Not a setup, IMO.

But McCain isn't clueless.

I don't think so either. That said BHO staff should have come across a Boston Globe article during research. That's a huge blunder.

125 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:17:42pm

Some posters

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126 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:17:57pm

Rove you magnificent bastard.

127 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:18:01pm

re: #120 susanl

Oh, I know. I will too, but it is going to stick in the craw a bit. :)

S

Yeah. I would really prefer that it not happen, too.

128 susanl  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:19:14pm

re: #125 Dar ul Harbarian


Shouldn't #4 be Anti-Bitter Clinger? Just sayin' :)

S

129 Syrah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:19:19pm

re: #104 yah

Obama's whole research team is up in Alaska digging for dirt on Sarah.

Poor bastards have blunted their shovels on the permafrost.

130 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:19:20pm

re: #122 Perry

Go with the chocolate, if that's your thing.

I'll be having a bit of brie (domestic, thank you) on a nice whole-wheat cracker to take the taste out of my mouth.

131 right_on_target  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:19:20pm

re: #104 yah

Obama's whole research team is up in Alaska digging for dirt on Sarah.

Why do I get the feeling they're going to spend campaign money to buy dirt on Palin?
Just a feelng.

132 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:19:21pm

re: #111 Dianna

Yeah, just think if you travel to Europe they'll respect Americans again.

sarc/

133 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:19:41pm

Hi, y'all. Sorry to go OT but the first serious band of Ike has hit Arkansas, and we're having lots of little spin-off tornadoes in my area. They seem to be small, but they're moving fast and I'm afraid that people out and about on a Saturday afternoon might get caught off their guard.

If you are so inclined, could you please remember us (and of course all the other areas!) today who are being affected by (now tropical storm) Ike.

Thanks...

134 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:19:46pm

re: #107 looking closely

To be done properly, it would be an ad with the header "All candidates agree on one thing", then footage of:

a. Obama saying he's not ready to be President.
b. Biden saying Obama isn't ready to be President.
c. Hilary saying Obama isn't ready to be President.
d. Then McCain and Palin (together) saying "We agree, and approve this message".

THAT would be a sight to behold!

McCain's already run a devastating Biden ad. Couldn't hurt to run it again.

/Joe Biden On Barack Obama

135 looking closely  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:20:55pm

re: #124 jcm

I don't think so either. That said BHO staff should have come across a Boston Globe article during research. That's a huge blunder.

Reminds me of Kos' utterly tone-deaf crack on his blog about McCain's teeth not being white (oblivious to the fact that McCain had them knocked out when a POW).

Only this particular one was even more tone deaf AND somehow made its way into an official Obama ad.

136 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:21:02pm
137 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:21:14pm

re: #132 vagabond trader

The sad thing? The leftists actually believe that!

138 Catttt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:21:23pm

re: #117 MandyManners

Someone had an ad from McCain about that. Compared them to a pack of wolves.

And what makes me laugh is that a huge HUGE number of people now think of Gov. Palin as "Our Sarah," because of strong identification with her and also a reflexive empathy at the initial avalanche of scurrilous rumors and dirty tricks.

From here on in, anything the wolves dig up will boomerang.

139 Catttt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:22:37pm

re: #138 Catttt

And what makes me laugh is that a huge HUGE number of people now think of Gov. Palin as "Our Sarah," because of strong identification with her and also a reflexive empathy at the initial avalanche of scurrilous rumors and dirty tricks.

From here on in, anything the wolves dig up will boomerang.

To clarify - it makes me laugh that the Dems don't realize this. I'm in the "Our Sarah" camp.

140 Penny T. Wienerdog  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:23:04pm

re: #79 cliffster

Sadly, I fear you are right.

141 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:23:20pm

re: #95 Dianna

Not in this case; McCain's physical difficulties are a little too obvious to the naked eye.

There are a lot of people voting that just don't spend the mental energy (or don't have the mental energy) to think for themselves on these things.

142 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:23:21pm

Sure Obama could be using the old trial lawyers courtroom trick when there there is a jury.

Blurting out a comment they KNOW will be objected to by opposing counsil and over-ruled and the jury will be told to disregard it.

They nonetheless the jury has heard it.

143 boofar  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:23:55pm

Heh, I loved that. At least (the bare minimum), he didn't state that he invented the internet.

144 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:24:01pm

re: #138 Catttt

And what makes me laugh is that a huge HUGE number of people now think of Gov. Palin as "Our Sarah," because of strong identification with her and also a reflexive empathy at the initial avalanche of scurrilous rumors and dirty tricks.

From here on in, anything the wolves dig up will boomerang.

I don't know if McCain planned it this way but, because it is so easy to identify with Palin, criticism of her is taken personally by a huge swath of the electorate. Great strategy for getting people to resent the media and your opponent.

145 looking closely  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:24:07pm

re: #134 Killian Bundy

I know about that one, and I don't really expect a repeat.

But it would be pretty funny to have one listing all the "serious" candidates each sincerely saying Obama isn't qualified to be POTUS, including himself! (I don't think it would really convince anyone, but it would make a good bit of "red meat" for the McCain website).

The problem with the Obama thing is that it doesn't lend itself to a three second soundbite. He acknowledges he isn't ready to be POTUS, and says he needs more experience first, but he doesn't just say it explicitly that way in one sentence.

146 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:25:29pm

re: #142 Nancy

Sure Obama could be using the old trial lawyers courtroom trick when there there is a jury.

Blurting out a comment they KNOW will be objected to by opposing counsil and over-ruled and the jury will be told to disregard it.

They nonetheless the jury has heard it.

In fact, the jury has had great attention drawn to it.

147 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:26:02pm

re: #142 Nancy

Sure Obama could be using the old trial lawyers courtroom trick when there there is a jury.

Blurting out a comment they KNOW will be objected to by opposing counsil and over-ruled and the jury will be told to disregard it.

They nonetheless the jury has heard it.

And when the CiC must cut orders to deploy our troops into combat, we'll want a CiC who fully appreciates the danger into which our troops are going.

"The jury", in this case, despite having been told to disregard it, knows full well the importance of what they just heard.

148 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:26:05pm

re: #4 Cap'n DOC

The ad sucks. Someone baited the obama camp, and being the bottomfeeders that they are...

I believe that those fish are commonly referred to as "suckers".

149 sidtara  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:26:22pm

Now we know the real reason Obama will no longer be appearing on SNL this weekend. The brilliantly hilarious skit of senile old McCain trying to figure out how to send an email had to be scrapped.

150 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:26:30pm

re: #141 cliffster

They don't generally have the mental energy to vote, either. I refuse to worry about people like that.

151 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:27:22pm

re: #142 Nancy

Obama's nearest approach to a trial lawyer was watching soap operas.

152 Miss Molly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:27:39pm

As someone so correctly pointed out Obama's skills are training in teleprompter and mirror technologies. Other than being a "community organizer" and voting present in his State Legislature there doesn't seem to be much else that is of interest to him except being "given" the Presidency because he is so smart and the rest of us are a bunch of dolts.

153 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:28:11pm

re: #151 Dianna

Obama's nearest approach to a trial lawyer was watching soap operas.

Nice one!
I like it!

154 Penny T. Wienerdog  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:28:55pm

re: #105 KingKenrod

The electoral race is still very close. A few busloads of voter fraud in Denver or Cleveland or Las Vegas could turn the election for Obama. Obama could take 3 Bush 2004 states - Iowa, Colorado, and New Mexico. Where is McCain going to make up those votes? New Hampshire? Pennsylvania? Michigan?

In Vegas, we don't even need a busload. All the dimmocrats have to do is go to the Sahara underpass at the I-15 and tell the homless potential voters they can vote for a bottle of Mad Dog.

155 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:29:06pm

Governor Palin just left Alaska about an hour or less ago to embark on solo campaigning for a few days.

156 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:30:11pm

re: #73 jcm

Front office of a Skyhawk. Whittle made a similar point about Bush. McCain had to fiddle all those knobs, fly the plane, navigate the plane, put ordinance on target.
While people where shooting all kinds of shit at him.

Dumb shits don't fly combat jets.

Jet fighter pilots have the most intense multi-tasking job in the world. Losing it or screwing up often means dying—they don't get do-overs.re: #106 jcm

It easier now (but far from easy), lot more automation. McCain's day it was a lot more hands on.

Heads Up displays and such helps. Imagine trying to track a target trying to kill you and having to take your eyes off him to scan your instruments to make sure you were not pushing the plane past its abilities, then reacquire the target, then scan instruments, then... Lots of planes have been lost because the pilot flew the plane harder than the plane was able. Lots of other planes hit things (ground) because the pilot forgot he had to focus on multiple things at once. Not easy by a long shot.

157 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:30:54pm

re: #151 Dianna

Obama's nearest approach to a trial lawyer was watching soap operas.

ROTFL!

Actually, the plot of most soap operas go over his head. He generally stays with the Tom and Jerry reruns.

158 SilverSeaOtter  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:31:00pm

I have just now made up my mind to support and vote for Sen. McCain. I have been on the fence since he won the nomination because I still had doubts about him. I felt a little bit better when he choose Gov. Palin as his VP running mate. But the straw that broke the camels back was this latest ad about him not being able to send an e-mail. Regardless of how you view the Vietnam War Sen. McCain spent five years as a POW in Vietnam. Those years were not pleasant, in fact they were very painful and physically damaging. Yet Team Obama feels it is acceptable for taunt and deride him because HE CAN'T TYPE ON A KEYBOARD. His physical injuries preclude that simple ability. Yet the Team O people feel that that is something they can make a political issue of. So much for taking the high road, and sticking to the issues.
The Dems are the (so called) party of diversity. Yet they have no problem making fun of a man who has physical disabilities in the service of his country. With all the hysteria that has been generated over Gov. Palin's youngest child, I begin to wonder exactly what they think about people with any kind of disability. If they think that a Downs baby should be aborted rather than be brought into the world, what are their feelings about the rest of the physically (or mentally) disabled people here in the United States, given their stated derision of Sen. McCain's physical situation in this ad?
I somehow do not think that the Dems look upon the disabled with a high degree of affection. But I guess I can understand that. If you are not like them then you are not something they feel free to associate with. And a person who has a physical handicap definitley is not like them so, "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!" yelled the Queen. We do not need that kind of people littering the landscape!
At any rate, I will now be voting for the Republican ticket. And a pox on the Democrats and their fellow travelers!

159 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:31:03pm

re: #133 gop_patriot

Hi, y'all. Sorry to go OT but the first serious band of Ike has hit Arkansas, and we're having lots of little spin-off tornadoes in my area. They seem to be small, but they're moving fast and I'm afraid that people out and about on a Saturday afternoon might get caught off their guard.

If you are so inclined, could you please remember us (and of course all the other areas!) today who are being affected by (now tropical storm) Ike.

Thanks...

Looks like the storm is entirely ashore, winds at 60 mph. Tracking across NW Arkansas and Southwest Missouri, and into Illinois. I hope it doesn't bring too much rain, the farmers have been swamped already this year.

160 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:31:46pm

re: #158 SilverSeaOtter

Welcome to the light.

161 gman  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:31:51pm

Oops! Obama forgot to check this article out on Wired just a few months ago:

As the former long-time chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, the Republican presidential candidate has probed the depths of every arcane aspect of science and technology policy that's come before Congress in the past decade.

162 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:32:19pm

It reminds me a bit of the trick in the beginning of the movie "The 300" when the young Spartan lured the wolf into the narrow pass and when the wolf got stuck between the rocks the kid ran him through.

163 Catttt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:32:21pm

re: #142 Nancy

Sure Obama could be using the old trial lawyers courtroom trick when there there is a jury.

Blurting out a comment they KNOW will be objected to by opposing counsil and over-ruled and the jury will be told to disregard it.

They nonetheless the jury has heard it.

I think the issue here is a basic misunderstanding by the Obamans of how people react to a given negative comment.

Many, if not most voters know McCain is a war hero. Even those who are not voting for him react negatively when he is attacked personally or mocked based on those injuries.

For example, someone on Daily Kos mocked his teeth. The comments section was full of aghast posters who knew of the torture he endured, some related to breaking teeth, when he was a POW.

Given this fact, only the subset of voters who do not know he is a war hero and former POW will be in play for these negative ads. Of that subset, some will resent the attack just because of personal empathy and dislike of such ads.

Conclusion - a very small number of people will react positively to such ads, and most of them will already be for Obama.

164 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:32:42pm

re: #159 Tigger2005

Looks like the storm is entirely ashore, winds at 60 mph. Tracking across NW Arkansas and Southwest Missouri, and into Illinois. I hope it doesn't bring too much rain, the farmers have been swamped already this year.

Whoops, that's SE Missouri, I mean.

165 yah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:32:47pm

re: #131 right_on_target

Obama's whole research team is up in Alaska digging for dirt on Sarah.

Why do I get the feeling they're going to spend campaign money to buy dirt on Palin?
Just a feelng

I think that is a "for sure."

But Obama should have left just a few on his research team here to do some fact checking on McCain before running ads.

166 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:33:19pm

re: #156 David IV of Georgia

Heads Up displays and such helps. Imagine trying to track a target trying to kill you and having to take your eyes off him to scan your instruments to make sure you were not pushing the plane past its abilities, then reacquire the target, then scan instruments, then... Lots of planes have been lost because the pilot flew the plane harder than the plane was able. Lots of other planes hit things (ground) because the pilot forgot he had to focus on multiple things at once. Not easy by a long shot.

I know the F/A the plane can be programmed for most of the flight even the attack run. The pilot can focus on being a weapons system manager. Of course the pilot still has to have complete situational awareness to take action for evasive maneuvers, or the unexpected.

167 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:34:19pm

a haughty buffoon, how can we trust him to make decisions as potus?
he has poor judgment and no common sense.
he is 'out of it' because of his arrogance.
loser.

168 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:35:03pm

re: #158 SilverSeaOtter

I have just now made up my mind to support and vote for Sen. McCain. I have been on the fence since he won the nomination because I still had doubts about him. I felt a little bit better when he choose Gov. Palin as his VP running mate. But the straw that broke the camels back was this latest ad about him not being able to send an e-mail. Regardless of how you view the Vietnam War Sen. McCain spent five years as a POW in Vietnam. Those years were not pleasant, in fact they were very painful and physically damaging. Yet Team Obama feels it is acceptable for taunt and deride him because HE CAN'T TYPE ON A KEYBOARD. His physical injuries preclude that simple ability. Yet the Team O people feel that that is something they can make a political issue of. So much for taking the high road, and sticking to the issues.
The Dems are the (so called) party of diversity. Yet they have no problem making fun of a man who has physical disabilities in the service of his country. With all the hysteria that has been generated over Gov. Palin's youngest child, I begin to wonder exactly what they think about people with any kind of disability. If they think that a Downs baby should be aborted rather than be brought into the world, what are their feelings about the rest of the physically (or mentally) disabled people here in the United States, given their stated derision of Sen. McCain's physical situation in this ad?
I somehow do not think that the Dems look upon the disabled with a high degree of affection. But I guess I can understand that. If you are not like them then you are not something they feel free to associate with. And a person who has a physical handicap definitley is not like them so, "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!" yelled the Queen. We do not need that kind of people littering the landscape!
At any rate, I will now be voting for the Republican ticket. And a pox on the Democrats and their fellow travelers!

Welcome to the party! The N∅b☭m➑ party that is.

169 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:35:14pm

In Garland (just east of Dallas) we have steady rain and fairly strong gusty wind—but nothing spectacular or dangerous at this point. Hopefully it will stay that way.

170 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:35:21pm

re: #166 jcm

I know the F/A the plane can be programmed for most of the flight even the attack run. The pilot can focus on being a weapons system manager. Of course the pilot still has to have complete situational awareness to take action for evasive maneuvers, or the unexpected.

F/A-18

171 Sifty  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:35:23pm

McCain, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!

172 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:35:34pm

Just saw a new Obama commercial. Ha. It ends with this crumb of wisdom.

This year, change has to be more than a slogan.

173 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:35:48pm

re: #36 Cap'n DOC

Although I understand the limitations of Sen. McCain, this whole fiasco is not about him. The ad (which I've seen on the web BTW) appears condescending and coarse. A modicum of research would have come up with the very same information that Charles has revealed, even if he's giving the HatTip to someone else. The obamessiah's campaign is being run by a bunch of 'cool' hipsters with pocket protectors - or so it seems. How many times does this make that the obamessiah has walked into a spinning propeller this week?

Please don't dis those of us who wore pocket protectors.

My best recollection is that those of us in the pocket protector crowd were usually voting for the R candidate.

174 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:36:01pm

re: #158 SilverSeaOtter

McCain was definitely not my choice in the primaries. I would have voted for him in the general elections anyways, but I've grown to like him a lot more. Either way, the democrats have failed to capitalize on a GOP that was a little unsure of their nominee, by nominating someone that people are so anxious to vote against.

175 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:37:09pm

OT
Pray for those in Ikes path. It isn't over yet.

Powerless: More than 99 percent of region in the dark

176 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:37:42pm

Rossi polling 6 points ahead in the Washington state governor's election.

Plus, McCain is polling 5-8 points ahead in Florida, despite Obama having spent an estimated $8 million there on campaign ads.

On Power Line

177 wannabuyaduck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:37:47pm

re: #70 Racer X

Can I borrow some updings from anyone? This post needs more.

I've just lent you one of mine. But now I need someone to upding it for me.

178 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:39:22pm

If anyone had told me a year ago (long before we knew who the nominees were) that this election would be so close I would have thought they were nuts. It has been an incredibly bad campaign for Obama. By all rights this election should have been a slam dunk for the Democrats.

179 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:39:33pm

Ike almost kept me from flying back into the country from Columbia last night. Had a layover in Houston, and the Houston airport closed. Had to buy a last-minute AA ticket through Miami (essentially flying around Ike), otherwise I would have spent the weekend and then some in Bogota.

180 guzziguy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:39:34pm

the one isn't omniscient?

How did that happen? Someone ought to tell him.

181 biblioteker  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:39:49pm

re: #62 Catttt

I think that the Obama folks are trying to emulate the quick, on point ads that the McCain camp have been doing so well. However, they suck at this and therefore stumble over their own feet fate.

Fixed that for ya...

182 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:40:04pm

re: #174 cliffster

Is it really a case of nominating a person that people are anxious to vote against or is this more of a case of the tactics, approaches, and policies employed / advocated by the hard left turning off middle America?

It seems to me that the more that Obama and the hard left get into smear politics and the more they demonstrate their hypocrisy on almost every issue including feminism, the more people are looking away from Obama / Biden and towards McCain / Palin.

183 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:40:07pm

re: #176 Intrepid

Rossi polling 6 points ahead in the Washington state governor's election.

Plus, McCain is polling 5-8 points ahead in Florida, despite Obama having spent an estimated $8 million there on campaign ads.

On Power Line

WA is play for McCain also, it will be Rossi's coattails sweeping McCain in and not the other way around as usual in WA.

A lot of real folks are real unhappy in the Northwet.

184 zombie  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:40:54pm

In my "jimjams" persona, I've stumbled into a blog-fight in the comments section of an article about the moronic "Obama Waffles" box design. Here's a sampling of my futile parries against the moonbat army:

jimjams
What a blunder on the part of that conservative group not to carefully examine the box designs. They should know that every little thing in this campaign will be examined and exploited and blown out of proportion (as many already have been). Strap yourself in: here we go with another round of racial mudslinging. In the end, it's just two unfunny "writers" trying to capitalize on a terribly failed joke, and some inattentive conference organizers letting it slip through the cracks -- but you can guarantee this will be used to tar McCain and all Obama opponents for the next two months.
--------------
jimjams
See? While I was typing my comment, three other commenters proved my point, by citing this incident as "proof" that all Obama opponents must be racists. Typical. By the same token, the thousands of insanely sexist Photoshops/blog postings/jokes/cartoons about Sarah Palin must indicate that all Obama supporters are sexist jerks -- right?
---
jimjams
kecho said: "Except for racists, race and gender are not political issues. Race and gender are determined through genetics. Oops, that's science, but the EGOP(Evangelical GOP) doesn't believe in the scientific method or science. My bad." Boy, are you off in la-la land. It is the conservatives who try to insist that race and gender are determined through genetics. It is the academics and postmodern liberals who try to claim that both race and gender are "social constructs" -- that there is no such thing as race, and that gender is merely a "choice" we make. You have things completely reversed. It is the Left that doesn't accept the scientific method or science. And as for your first statement: It is the Left that endlessly makes race a political issue -- so I guess by your definition they are the racists, then?
---
jimjams
mr_urc: Attacking Palin "on the issues"?!?!? You have got to be kidding. Have you not been paying attention for the last two weeks? There have been more unapologetic sexist attacks on Sarah Palin in 12 days than there were against Hillary Clinton in 12 years. ...
---
jimjams
wakeupalive says: "Got to love the racist right wingers. Totally offensive and disgusting. Can't wait to hear the scumbag posters defend this." Nobody's defending the waffle-box design. I agree that it's a cretinous racist pseudo-joke. What I'm saying is that these too fools are now going to be identified as the prototypical McCain voters -- which is exactly what is already happening, right in front of my eyes.
---
jimjams
Treyman: Palin is "earmark loving"? Hmmm, Nancy Pelosi just absconded with $1.4 billion of taxpayer money to built an 8-block long subway line in her district, and it's Palin who gets accused of seeking earmarks? For what -- a bridge that was never built? Can you guess the names of two Senators who both TWICE voted to fund the "Bridge to Nowhere"? Hmmm? Care to guess? That's right, the two Senators were named Obama and Biden. Give me a freakin' break. Biden has funneled more money into pet porkbarrel projects in his 36 years in the Senate than almost any other Senator in US history. As for you ignoring the cavalcade of sexist insults against Palin -- please, go right ahead and continue justifying them and ignoring them. And then you'll wonder why the McCain ticket suddenly jumped 20 points in popularity. I love it when people fail to evven acknowledge problems. Then when they get blindsided on election day, it's even more fun to watch.

185 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:40:59pm

Is this the same Barrack Obama campaign that was going to E-MAIL their VP pick to the world? So how did their "tech-savy savior" do on that little example of Internet superiority hmmmm?

186 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:40:59pm

re: #178 Mich-again

If anyone had told me a year ago (long before we knew who the nominees were) that this election would be so close I would have thought they were nuts. It has been an incredibly bad campaign for Obama. By all rights this election should have been a slam dunk for the Democrats.

Maybe, but McCain learned some hard lessons in 2000. I believe it's just as likely that the McCain camp has the ability to get in someone's head and make him seem like a bumbling idiot.

187 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:41:17pm

As another lizard pointed out, I am concerned about voter fraud. The Obama's ACORN friends are noted for it.

188 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:42:19pm

re: #173 Son of the Black Dog

Okay. Sorry about that. You didn't walk into any propellers when you wore one, did you?

189 Catttt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:42:22pm

re: #158 SilverSeaOtter

I have just now made up my mind to support and vote for Sen. McCain. I have been on the fence since he won the nomination because I still had doubts about him. I felt a little bit better when he choose Gov. Palin as his VP running mate. But the straw that broke the camels back was this latest ad about him not being able to send an e-mail. Regardless of how you view the Vietnam War Sen. McCain spent five years as a POW in Vietnam. Those years were not pleasant, in fact they were very painful and physically damaging. Yet Team Obama feels it is acceptable for taunt and deride him because HE CAN'T TYPE ON A KEYBOARD. His physical injuries preclude that simple ability. Yet the Team O people feel that that is something they can make a political issue of. So much for taking the high road, and sticking to the issues.
The Dems are the (so called) party of diversity. Yet they have no problem making fun of a man who has physical disabilities in the service of his country. With all the hysteria that has been generated over Gov. Palin's youngest child, I begin to wonder exactly what they think about people with any kind of disability. If they think that a Downs baby should be aborted rather than be brought into the world, what are their feelings about the rest of the physically (or mentally) disabled people here in the United States, given their stated derision of Sen. McCain's physical situation in this ad?
I somehow do not think that the Dems look upon the disabled with a high degree of affection. But I guess I can understand that. If you are not like them then you are not something they feel free to associate with. And a person who has a physical handicap definitley is not like them so, "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!" yelled the Queen. We do not need that kind of people littering the landscape!
At any rate, I will now be voting for the Republican ticket. And a pox on the Democrats and their fellow travelers!

Well put, and excellent.

Your comment re those with disabilities and people with Down Syndrome reminded me of this: during Gov. Palin's convention speech, Mr. Palin gave youngest daughter Piper baby Trig to hold (she loves Trig a lot and often asks to hold him). Piper slicked Trig's hair back, licking her hand to do so. It was just plain ole precious to me.

Do the lefties understand this act of sibling love? No. There were a number of boneheaded blogs that made fun of this, and one news article mentioned that while the crowd, watching the vid screens, was enthralled by Piper, many of the reporters on scene winced at the event.

190 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:42:26pm

re: #173 Son of the Black Dog

I agee with you there. There is not one single pocket protector type in the Obama office. You'd be more likely to find a Che' T-shirt.

191 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:42:40pm

re: #172 Mich-again

Just saw a new Obama commercial. Ha. It ends with this crumb of wisdom.

"This year, change has to be more than a slogan."

There is something fundamentally weak in a candidacy if they have to trash their own slogan.

Do they not know how stupid that sounds?

192 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:43:16pm

re: #158 SilverSeaOtter

Welcome aboard.
As the aunt of a special needs niece, I can't tell you how hurtful and quite frankly eye opening all the comments made by the Dem's regarding Trig and Senator McCain.

Life will be hard enough for my niece without her having to someday see that most women would abort her if given the chance.

I also think that although some Americans knew of McCains POW time, I don't think until the Convention that they really understood what he went through.
His honesty in saying that he "thought about" the early release before refusing is haunting.

I consider myself a pretty tough woman, but my whole being doesn't have the courage that man has in his little pinkie.

It is an honor to support him.

193 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:44:05pm

re: #182 Athos

Is it really a case of nominating a person that people are anxious to vote against or is this more of a case of the tactics, approaches, and policies employed / advocated by the hard left turning off middle America?

It seems to me that the more that Obama and the hard left get into smear politics and the more they demonstrate their hypocrisy on almost every issue including feminism, the more people are looking away from Obama / Biden and towards McCain / Palin.

I was watching coverage of an Obama townhall-type-thing. Someone stood up and asked (paraphrasing).. "you've had millions of people make millions of dollars in contributions to you, when are you going to stand up against the Republicans lies and smear tactics?" You kidding me? Can people actually be that blind? (and stupid) They honestly think that Obama has tried sooooo hard to take the high road, and that darned 'ol McCain just wants to sling mud.

194 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:44:56pm

Obama, be clueless.

What this idiotic ad shows is the quality of his staff - worse than clueless.

195 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:45:55pm

re: #185 WayDownSouthInBama

Is this the same Barrack Obama campaign that was going to E-MAIL their VP pick to the world? So how did their "tech-savy savior" do on that little example of Internet superiority hmmmm?

Text message. Similar.

196 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:46:37pm

re: #193 cliffster

I was watching coverage of an Obama townhall-type-thing. Someone stood up and asked (paraphrasing).. "you've had millions of people make millions of dollars in contributions to you, when are you going to stand up against the Republicans lies and smear tactics?" You kidding me? Can people actually be that blind? (and stupid) They honestly think that Obama has tried sooooo hard to take the high road, and that darned 'ol McCain just wants to sling mud.

We need a Koolaid antidote to reach some of these people.

197 hershel  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:46:39pm

McCain doesn't have to "set 'em up" - these idiots are more than capable of stepping on their d*cks on their own. I suspect that even without Palin this would be happening somewhat, but the brilliant choice of Sarah for VP has them totally befuddled. Pass the popcorn.

198 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:46:55pm

re: #187 vagabond trader

As another lizard pointed out, I am concerned about voter fraud. The Obama's ACORN friends are noted for it.

If It's Not Close, They Can't Cheat

That's the bottom line. Vote so that even when they do cheat, it's not enough to make a difference.

199 right_on_target  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:47:02pm

Has anyone tried to post a comment to either
barackobama's
or
johnmccain's
blogs?

It seems there are NO negative posts on O'Bama's blog site [censorship]. I couldn't find any. Try to
post a negative opinion or rebuttal and it will never show up. It's just a propaganda mouthpiece. Stalin + Ulbricht would be proud of the site.

On the McCain blog site there are some negative posts [except perhaps the blatant KOS type name calling]. The rebuttals are posted by the pro-McCain posters and they are doing a pretty good job.

200 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:47:10pm

re: #185 WayDownSouthInBama

Is this the same Barrack Obama campaign that was going to E-MAIL their VP pick to the world? So how did their "tech-savy savior" do on that little example of Internet superiority hmmmm?

It was an utter failure. The texts didn't go en masse, rather they trickled out over the course of many hours. It was old news by the time most of them got their message. What a stupid gimmick and what a dumb plan to actually carry out the gimmick. What? Did Obama enlist his 300 advisors to each use their own phone to send out thousands of texts one by one?

201 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:47:22pm

From that noted bastion of sanity and clarity, Crooks and Liars: "These are the types of ads Obama needs to keep running. Better late than never." This is what we call whistling past the graveyard.

202 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:47:37pm

re: #175 Dar ul Harbarian

OT
Pray for those in Ikes path. It isn't over yet.

Powerless: More than 99 percent of region in the dark

"Powerless"?

It isn't like the Russian Army decided to exit Georgia via Texas.

203 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:47:41pm

re: #193 cliffster

I was watching coverage of an Obama townhall-type-thing. Someone stood up and asked (paraphrasing).. "you've had millions of people make millions of dollars in contributions to you, when are you going to stand up against the Republicans lies and smear tactics?" You kidding me? Can people actually be that blind? (and stupid) They honestly think that Obama has tried sooooo hard to take the high road, and that darned 'ol McCain just wants to sling mud.

That's what Obama thinks, too. That's why he keeps protesting that he won't be "swift-boated". So, Obama must have been offended by this nutter, who hasn't noticed that that's exactly what Obama has already been doing.

Swift-boated, ... how about keel-hauled?

204 ggt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:48:01pm

comment posted at LawDog's blog that I learned about from The Smallest Minority.
Possibly the best articulated comment I've read yet:

C. S. P. Schofield said...
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity.

It isn't that the MSM gets together and CONSPIRES to avoid images of 9/11/2001, or the bestial behavior of radical muslims around the world. It's that they cannot grasp it. It doesn't fit anywhere in their world; a world where Socialism works and they - the anointed - are divinely chosen by Providence to guide those who are less enlightened (that's us).

They reacted the same way to the news from the killing fields. To the revelation that Stalin was a monster whose body count dwarfed Hitler's. They cannot deal with the information that so contradicts their world-view, so they blank it out of their minds and unconsciously try to blank it out of the world.

They lack the intelligence to handle world as complicated as the real one - hence the way they fall for Marxism, a belief totally unsuited to the complex modern world - and they lack the moral strength to face the consequences of their past behavior. The mass graves. The misery. Acknowledging these would break them, which is why the become so hysterical when confronted.

They are pathetic intellectual dwarfs and moral lightweights. The proper response to them is not anger but impatient contempt. Certainly they must not be allowed to run the country."

205 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:48:02pm

re: #187 vagabond trader

As another lizard pointed out, I am concerned about voter fraud. The Obama's ACORN friends are noted for it.

In WA, Sec. State Sam Reed purge 480,000 invalid / fraudulent voters from the rolls. That's out of 3.6 million registrations over 10% bad registrations.

Even with all that the margin was 133 votes in '04, Rossi's margin of victory was, in a fair election was possibly in the thousands.

They have to do a lot of cheating to win. Battleground shows 60% of the population consistently conservative to very conservative. A big chunk of that 60% will show up this year.

206 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:48:22pm

re: #73 jcm

Dumb shits don't fly combat jets.

And GWB flew an F-102.

There are a few things in life you can't fake, and that your family money and connections can't get you through. One of those things is flying a high performance single seat jet aircraft.

Anyone want to make a bet about how far BHO would get in pilot training, much less military basic training.

207 right_on_target  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:48:54pm

re: #162 Mich-again

It reminds me a bit of the trick in the beginning of the movie "The 300" when the young Spartan lured the wolf into the narrow pass and when the wolf got stuck between the rocks the kid ran him through.

Wasn't the young Spartan the young Leonidas?

208 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:49:28pm

re: #206 Son of the Black Dog

And GWB flew an F-102.

There are a few things in life you can't fake, and that your family money and connections can't get you through. One of those things is flying a high performance single seat jet aircraft.

Anyone want to make a bet about how far BHO would get in pilot training, much less military basic training.

Well, he considered it. Does that count?
/

209 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:49:38pm

re: #200 Mich-again

It was an utter failure. The texts didn't go en masse, rather they trickled out over the course of many hours. It was old news by the time most of them got their message. What a stupid gimmick and what a dumb plan to actually carry out the gimmick. What? Did Obama enlist his 300 advisors to each use their own phone to send out thousands of texts one by one?

Mich

I think that is was a gimmick to get a lot of cell phone numbers.
He was mining for information imo.

210 TN_Vol  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:49:53pm

re: #195 Lynn B.

Text message. Similar.

Yeah. BHO was supposed his BFF's the pick before it was announced to the world. The press revealed the pick around midnight and BHO's text went out at 3:00.

211 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:50:13pm

re: #193 cliffster

That's the part that they don't get. All of these fascists have this one failing - if they do not get what they want, they do not believe it is the result of their policies or tactics being wrong, it's because they aren't doing them with enough conviction or devotion. And if they undertake the same tactics, support the same policies but do it with far more force, aggression, and mindless devotion, it will pay off.

These tactics are alienating middle America. Doing them more aggressively, more loudly, or more overtly will not win over middle America but further alienate them. This creates the death spiral of angst that the left has fallen into.

212 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:50:19pm

re: #205 jcm

Make it so!

213 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:50:54pm

re: #189 Catttt

Well put, and excellent.

Your comment re those with disabilities and people with Down Syndrome reminded me of this: during Gov. Palin's convention speech, Mr. Palin gave youngest daughter Piper baby Trig to hold (she loves Trig a lot and often asks to hold him). Piper slicked Trig's hair back, licking her hand to do so. It was just plain ole precious to me.

Do the lefties understand this act of sibling love? No. There were a number of boneheaded blogs that made fun of this, and one news article mentioned that while the crowd, watching the vid screens, was enthralled by Piper, many of the reporters on scene winced at the event.

We I grew up with close friends with disabled children, and in our church now have several families with disabled kids. A consistency I've noted is many siblings of disabled kids have tighter bonding and affection for the disable sibling than normal.

214 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:51:18pm

re: #189 Catttt

Well put, and excellent.

Your comment re those with disabilities and people with Down Syndrome reminded me of this: during Gov. Palin's convention speech, Mr. Palin gave youngest daughter Piper baby Trig to hold (she loves Trig a lot and often asks to hold him). Piper slicked Trig's hair back, licking her hand to do so. It was just plain ole precious to me.

Do the lefties understand this act of sibling love? No. There were a number of boneheaded blogs that made fun of this, and one news article mentioned that while the crowd, watching the vid screens, was enthralled by Piper, many of the reporters on scene winced at the event.

most lefties probably don't understand it.
too cynical to see the deep affection little piper had for that adorable baby.
it made me remember a few times my mom had to spit on a hankie and wipe our dirty little faces to make us more presentable.
it never occurred to me that it was inappropriate.
in fact, oddly, it's a pleasant memory.

215 ContraJihadi  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:51:34pm

re: #83 Perry

It may be a companionable kind of thing.

Could be. There seem to a lot of love beams passing between those two, an impression I don't get with respect to the Obama couple.

216 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:51:40pm

re: #178 Mich-again

It all started unraveling with the Saddleback forum. The rambling and in some cases non-sensical answers Obama gave were completely trumped by McCain's quick and steady replies. Obama's first really large gaffe - "that's above my pay-grade" - was widely ridiculed and started the first rumblings that signaled structural damage this his house of cards.

Then he made a safe choice in VP, not even taking into consideration (or maybe so?) that just months previously Joe had unequivocally stated that Obama wasn't ready to be president. And that Joe had said he'd be proud to run with McCain.

Their convention antics with the no floor vote was the nail in the coffin for the PUMA folks, though, and served to turn what could be millions of Hillary voters against Obama.

And then, seemingly from nowhere, up comes Governor Palin, and they haven't recovered from SarahCuda yet.

217 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:52:01pm

re: #207 right_on_target

Wasn't the young Spartan the young Leonidas?

I believe so. The strategy foreshadowed the way he waged the battle against the Persian army at the narrow pass.

218 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:52:28pm

re: #210 TN_Vol

Yeah. BHO was supposed his BFF's the pick before it was announced to the world. The press revealed the pick around midnight and BHO's text went out at 3:00.

The SMS went out at 3:00 AM Eastern.

Which is midnight Pacific.

They went out at the same time!

You're just a bunch of racists who can't see facts!11oneleven!

/

219 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:53:28pm

I guess this was supposed to make Obama's ad sound clever.

As I recall this isn't the first time Nedra Pickler has made an ass out of herself pimping for BO.

220 ggt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:53:34pm

So, I've been surfing the net and playing in the spin-offs, sup?

221 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:53:41pm

re: #195 Lynn B.
I stand corrected. It was a text message. I don't do text messages. Phones are for talking. The telegraph was for texting.

222 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:54:10pm

re: #38 susanl

I was shocked and offended when I heard about this yesterday.

I think Obama has realized that he isn't up to the job and is sabotaging himself. What else could it possibly be, no one could be that stupid, could they? Between this and the pig....

S

Susan -

"YES HE CAN!"

-S-

223 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:54:36pm

re: #221 WayDownSouthInBama

I stand corrected. It was a text message. I don't do text messages. Phones are for talking. The telegraph was for texting.


I can't hear worth crap on the phone, so I text. Love it.

224 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:54:38pm

re: #221 WayDownSouthInBama

I stand corrected. It was a text message. I don't do text messages. Phones are for talking. The telegraph was for texting.

Look to the North sending a smoke signal!
;-P

225 TN_Vol  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:55:02pm

re: #218 victor_yugo

The SMS went out at 3:00 AM Eastern.

Which is midnight Pacific.

They went out at the same time!

You're just a bunch of racists who can't see facts!11oneleven!

/

Just the same, I'm not happy getting a text at 3:00 AM unless you are texting me to tell me my house is on fire or a bunch of cheerleaders is having a Twister party on my front lawn.

226 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:55:10pm

re: #214 nyc redneck

Most leftist women would have aborted this precious little guy.That pos Joy Behar is soooo appalled that Gov Palin shoots innocent animals while she sits across from Whoopie Goldberg, the proud recipient of NINE abortions.

*spit*

227 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:55:27pm

re: #221 WayDownSouthInBama

I stand corrected. It was a text message. I don't do text messages. Phones are for talking. The telegraph was for texting.

You are so out of touch. I'll bet you don't even know how to use a computer. You probably haven't changed since 1982.
/

228 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:55:28pm

re: #213 jcm

We I grew up with close friends with disabled children, and in our church now have several families with disabled kids. A consistency I've noted is many siblings of disabled kids have tighter bonding and affection for the disable sibling than normal.

You are very correct. My 14 year old son's 2 closest freinds both have disabled siblings (one with an older sister one younger brother) In both cases my sons freinds care for their sister/ brother like another parent does as well as a "best freind" to them knowing that it's tough for disabled kids to make freinds. In both cases the siblings are over our house almost each time my sons friends come over (my sons choice, btw)

229 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:55:37pm

re: #211 Athos

That's the part that they don't get. All of these fascists have this one failing - if they do not get what they want, they do not believe it is the result of their policies or tactics being wrong, it's because they aren't doing them with enough conviction or devotion. And if they undertake the same tactics, support the same policies but do it with far more force, aggression, and mindless devotion, it will pay off.

These tactics are alienating middle America. Doing them more aggressively, more loudly, or more overtly will not win over middle America but further alienate them. This creates the death spiral of angst that the left has fallen into.

They don't realize their policies are unworkable. They think they are brilliant. So they try to convince everyone else that these miserable policies are brilliant. Most people, when these policies are shoved in front of them aren't impressed—um, that's cut glass, not a diamond. So then they begin to think everyone is stupid and it is up to them to "save" us. The more they try, the more they alienate.

230 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:56:07pm

re: #216 Intrepid

I think your analysis is pretty well on the mark, but I also believe that Obama's problems started even before Saddleback. His campaign was in trouble pretty much throughout his world tour - particularly with the Berlin speech. The wheels pretty much started coming off the bus at that point.

The points you make about Saddleback are great ones - this was something that the suave and polished speaker Obama was supposed to thrive at even with the 'enemy audience'. But rather than accept that McCain did far better, the campaign resorted to the 'cheating' accusation which further alienated the middle ground voters.

231 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:56:16pm

re: #225 TN_Vol

Just the same, I'm not happy getting a text at 3:00 AM unless you are texting me to tell me my house is on fire or a bunch of cheerleaders is having a Twister party on my front lawn.

Yeah, I wouldn't be happy about that, either.

The fire, I mean.

232 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:56:28pm

re: #214 nyc redneck

A mother's spit is never inappropriate.

233 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:56:46pm

re: #221 WayDownSouthInBama

I stand corrected. It was a text message. I don't do text messages. Phones are for talking. The telegraph was for texting.

LOL! Same here!

My thumbs just don't work that way.

234 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:56:54pm

re: #216 Intrepid

Very good summary of "Hey wha happened?" to Obama, (or what he did to himself actually). But for this..

And then, seemingly from nowhere, up comes Governor Palin, and they haven't recovered from SarahCuda yet.

Did Ann and Nancy Wilson give you approval to use that reference?

235 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:56:56pm

re: #223 Tigger2005

I can't hear worth crap on the phone, so I text. Love it.

Both children of a former co-worker of mine are deaf; the cell phone text-messaging capabilities have been a godsend to him and his kids.

236 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:57:10pm

There's all this press about what a great campaign Obama ran. He beat Hillary. Yeah, but he ostracized a huge portion of her constituency in the process. How smart was that?

The real campaign starts after the convention. So far the Obama campaign has been a disaster. Total disaster. And Obama is counting the campaign as administrative experience.

237 Aussie Infidel  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:57:52pm

re: #17 Intrepid

Whassat?

Don't sweat it....

It's a 'flying thing'!


:)

238 Perry  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:58:13pm

re: #214 nyc redneck

most lefties probably don't understand it.
too cynical to see the deep affection little piper had for that adorable baby.
it made me remember a few times my mom had to spit on a hankie and wipe our dirty little faces to make us more presentable.
it never occurred to me that it was inappropriate.
in fact, oddly, it's a pleasant memory.

At my house it's called Universal Solvent.

239 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:58:17pm

re: #226 vagabond trader

Most leftist women would have aborted this precious little guy.That pos Joy Behar is soooo appalled that Gov Palin shoots innocent animals while she sits across from Whoopie Goldberg, the proud recipient of NINE abortions.

*spit*


I can't fathom the mentality that would lead to nine abortions. What an absolute disregard for life. She just viewed it as birth control.

240 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:59:03pm

re: #226 vagabond trader

Most leftist women would have aborted this precious little guy.That pos Joy Behar is soooo appalled that Gov Palin shoots innocent animals while she sits across from Whoopie Goldberg, the proud recipient of NINE abortions.

*spit*

Huh? Please say you're kidding.

/probably not

241 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:59:15pm

re: #236 HelloDare

He beat Hillary by tying her into knots with the race card. The rest were simply memerized. How's that no returns policy going librals?

242 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:59:31pm

re: #236 HelloDare

So far the Obama campaign has been a disaster. Total disaster. And Obama is counting the campaign as administrative experience.

Nice.

243 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 1:59:41pm

I am entertaining the Idea that Obama is a Rove plant. His job was to take out Hillary and now to lose spectacularly. There is no way anybody runs this bad of a campaign without it being purposeful.
A Rove scheme for sure.

244 Rancher  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:00:19pm

My son. who is also kinda beat up after service in the military, called this. He thought what McCain had said was he has someone do his e-mailing for him. He said "If I couldn't lift my arms as high as the keyboard I would have to have someone do mine too." I'll see what Obama sourced for his stupid commercial.

245 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:00:24pm

You know who else has been notably absent lately is Howard Dean. Is he babysitting Michelle or do they have him tied up in a storage locker somewhere so he doesn't shoot his mouth off?

246 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:00:42pm

re: #193 cliffster

Here's the question we can ask since Obama touted his managing a campaign as comparable to business and executive experience. Hmmmm, one had twice the money raised and spent twice as much!

Both are running the same campaign.. Look who has more staff and employees to accomplish the same goal!

As of the last report --June 30: Obama spent more than twice as much McCain and had a cash on hand balance also twice as much. New figures will be released on Sept. 20th.

This is only itemized under administrative costs so it won't add up to the

Source Open Secrets:
Obama Administrative Expenses
Salaries & Benefits $40,910,770
Travel $34,464,897
Miscellaneous Administrative $11,331,973
Postage/Shipping $10,796,887
Rent/Utilities $9,888,463
Supplies, Equipment & Furniture $3,949,370
Administrative Consultants $674,380
Food/Meetings $437,144
Political Consultants $1,359,927
Miscellaneous Campaign $362,556
Total: 112.5 million for administrative costs
[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]

McCain Administrative Expenses
Travel $15,117,619
Salaries & Benefits $14,696,656
Postage/Shipping $11,441,420
Rent/Utilities $4,798,027
Supplies, Equipment & Furniture $4,263,358
Miscellaneous Administrative $3,626,911
Food/Meetings $154,355
Administrative Consultants $44,876
Total: 54.14 million administrative costs
[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]

247 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:00:45pm

re: #232 David IV of Georgia

A mother's spit is never inappropriate.

Mine did my hair at my wedding. Completely sub conscience on her part, just being my mom.

248 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:01:18pm

re: #243 spidly

I am entertaining the Idea that Obama is a Rove plant. His job was to take out Hillary and now to lose spectacularly. There is no way anybody runs this bad of a campaign without it being purposeful.
A Rove scheme for sure.


I guess that since it worked with Kerry.........Rove, you genius.

249 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:01:35pm

re: #235 reine.de.tout

Both children of a former co-worker of mine are deaf; the cell phone text-messaging capabilities have been a godsend to him and his kids.

Great point. It just makes me a little nuts to see all these kids hunched over on the bus, train, in the mall, thumbs furiously punching away. Sometimes it seems like they're just not at all where they are.

Of course, when I was a teenager I wasn't where I was either. Just getting old, I guess.

250 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:01:46pm

re: #246 Nancy

A window into how BHO would run the federal budget......

251 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:01:50pm

re: #236 HelloDare

So far the Obama campaign has been a disaster. Total disaster. And Obama is counting the campaign as administrative experience.

uppity goes the dingitty

252 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:02:09pm

re: #245 livefreeor die

You know who else has been notably absent lately is Howard Dean. Is he babysitting Michelle or do they have him tied up in a storage locker somewhere so he doesn't shoot his mouth off?

heard a press release by him on the news but I can't remember what it was about. My thought at the time was they must be keeping him under wraps.

253 de La Valette  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:02:09pm

Another example of the tech savvy is that poorly moderated cesspool of a website and their lack of discipline in tracking the source of internet contributions (although that may be intentional).

I am sure BHO could have found 200+ vetted democratic volunteers to act as moderators on the site with a simple reference system for review. Even if he doesn't mind the anti-Semitic, treasonous, and vile sites and comments - he has to recognize the damage they could do to a campaign. I am also certain he could have instituted geographic labeling of ip addresses and credit card source data for all of the donations coming from Gaza City and Syria.

And his ad turnaround time is pathetic, McCain has stuff published overnight - I thought all the artists were liberals?

254 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:02:32pm

re: #247 jcm

Mine did my hair at my wedding. Completely sub conscience on her part, just being my mom.

I hope you've washed it since

255 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:02:46pm

re: #77 Intrepid

Now didn't Michelle Obama say, referring to Barack, "He certainly isn't afraid to surround himself with intelligent people", as a dig against Sarah Palin?

Since she made that statement, the "intelligent" Joe Biden has done the following:

* Said "Sarah Palin as VP would be a step backwards for women"

* Stated that Hillary Clinton would be a better, more qualified VP candidate than he is

* Called out to wheelchair bound Chuck Graham, "Come on Chuck, STAND UP! Let 'em see ya!", which was followed with, "Oh God love ya, Chuck - we'll stand up for you!"

Yes, Michelle, your husband has great judgement in picking "intelligent" people to surround himself with.

Biden was especially charming when he called him, pal and buddy.

256 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:03:10pm

Heavy rain now falling at our house - the rains from Ike have reached us. Been pouring for the last 20 minutes.

257 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:03:18pm

re: #248 Athos

I guess that since it worked with Kerry.........Rove, you genius.

Rove, the best thing we've done since chemtrails.

/some super secret nonexistent organization I can't tell you about or I'd have to kill you.

258 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:03:54pm

re: #245 livefreeor die

You know who else has been notably absent lately is Howard Dean. Is he babysitting Michelle or do they have him tied up in a storage locker somewhere so he doesn't shoot his mouth off?

I think he's directing from behind the scenes. I think he's the reason Hillary is out of the campaign; she was a public holdover from Terry McAuliffe's days.

259 willowone  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:04:06pm

I don't know how much others think about this aspect. We Watched Obama and his cohorts steal an election from the people, in this case Dem's. He Must Lose. Can we have a campaign ad that actually goes from Chicago thuggery , cheating to win, to Dem thuggery , cheating to win.
Can we allow the Other Half of the Countries Party to Steal elections and treat their constituents like garbage?
if they can Do that to their Own. imagine what they will do if they WIN to us.

260 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:04:17pm

re: #239 livefreeor die

I can't fathom the mentality that would lead to nine abortions. What an absolute disregard for life. She just viewed it as birth control.

I can't believe that Whoopi could find that many blind men.

261 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:04:23pm

re: #254 sattv4u2

I hope you've washed it since

LOL!

262 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:04:45pm

re: #246 Nancy

So he spends more than twice as much as someone else and gets half as much done. Sounds like he's a perfect senator - he should stay in the Senate.

263 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:05:19pm

re: #254 sattv4u2

I hope you've washed it since

Mother's spit is also a powerful disinfectant. Everybody knows that.

264 Olderthandirt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:05:58pm

No trap was ever set for The One! Instead, The One gets all his advice from Randi Rhodes, that wonderful, sweet, adorable, and ever so knowledge denizen of deep murky political cesspools.

However, it's too early for Johnny Mac and Sarahbarracuda to get cocky and to think they've won. They need to keep charging down the election pathway and roar into victory.

265 de La Valette  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:06:18pm

re: #210 TN_Vol

He didn't understand the bottleneck in the text messaging system would not let him do it during business hours. This forced him to do it in the wee hours of the morning. Which threw of the press coverage, no big bang event on the evening news and infuriated the Hilary crowd because it looked like he was mocking the 3AM ad.

266 winston06  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:06:23pm

when Obama was a baby, McCain was trained to use a very technical piece of equipment like a Skyhawk A-4 fighter/bomber.

Hussein O is disrespectful and clueless.

267 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:06:40pm

re: #256 Ward Cleaver

Heavy rain now falling at our house - the rains from Ike have reached us. Been pouring for the last 20 minutes.

Constant heavy rain here—visibility is about 1/2 mile.

268 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:06:53pm

re: #230 Athos

Oooh, you're right - The Grand Tour of Europe, and Obama declining to go and visit our wounded troops because it wouldn't be a photo op.

269 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:06:54pm

re: #265 de La Valette

He didn't understand the bottleneck in the text messaging system would not let him do it during business hours. This forced him to do it in the wee hours of the morning. Which threw of the press coverage, no big bang event on the evening news and infuriated the Hilary crowd because it looked like he was mocking the 3AM ad.

Karma is a beautiful thing.

270 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:07:04pm

re: #264 Olderthandirt

No trap was ever set for The One! Instead, The One gets all his advice from Randi Rhodes, that wonderful, sweet, adorable, and ever so knowledge denizen of deep murky political cesspools.

However, it's too early for Johnny Mac and Sarahbarracuda to get cocky and to think they've won. They need to keep charging down the election pathway and roar into victory.

Agreed, McCain is tight on BHO's six, just needs to finish the job.

271 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:07:31pm

re: #267 David IV of Georgia

Constant heavy rain here—visibility is about 1/2 mile.

Where are you at?

272 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:07:57pm

re: #270 jcm

Agreed, McCain is tight on BHO's six, just needs to finish the job.

easy pickin's considering his wing man

274 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:08:27pm

re: #270 jcm

Agreed, McCain is tight on BHO's six, just needs to finish the job.

The new OODA loop:

Observe:
Obama
Doesn't
Achieve

275 Dianna  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:08:41pm

re: #178 Mich-again

Not given the way they've mis-managed the energy discussion. They ought to have been getting their Union membership fired up with "Drill here! Drill now!"

Instead, they condescended to the people they claim to represent. "Well, we know fuel prices are worrying you, and hurting you, but it's actually good for you in the end. You just don't see the big picture."

Then they tried to poo-poo Sarah Palin as a hick. That sure went over well with their usual voters, too!

The problem was that the Dems just don't really see their voters as constituents, they see them as subjects to be ruled.

276 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:08:57pm

re: #264 Olderthandirt

No trap was ever set for The One! Instead, The One gets all his advice from Randi Rhodes, that wonderful, sweet, adorable, and ever so knowledge denizen of deep murky political cesspools.

However, it's too early for Johnny Mac and Sarahbarracuda to get cocky and to think they've won. They need to keep charging down the election pathway and roar into victory.

I'd bet plenty that that's their plan. My dad (he's 74, doesn't know how to use a computer - out of touch) predicted a landslide back before Saddleback, back when Obama was still rehearsing his inaugural address. I thought he was crazy then, but as with so many other things my dad gets smarter the more time goes by.

277 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:08:58pm

re: #234 Mich-again

Very good summary of "Hey wha happened?" to Obama, (or what he did to himself actually). But for this..

Did Ann and Nancy Wilson give you approval to use that reference?

Nah, but I did tell them that the Obama/Biden ticket are perfect for another one of their songs: Dog and the Butterfly.

Or These Dreams.

278 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:09:00pm

re: #259 willowone

Everyone should send a libral friend or family member David Freddoso's book about this Obama. Concise, devastating, and frightening.

279 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:09:03pm

re: #272 spidly

easy pickin's considering his wing man

BHO's wing man is in the bar telling war stories........

280 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:09:05pm

re: #188 Cap'n DOC

Okay. Sorry about that. You didn't walk into any propellers when you wore one, did you?

Me? I practically lowcrawled to the Huey.

281 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:09:42pm

re: #226 vagabond trader

Most leftist women would have aborted this precious little guy.That pos Joy Behar is soooo appalled that Gov Palin shoots innocent animals while she sits across from Whoopie Goldberg, the proud recipient of NINE abortions.

*spit*

I am refraining from expressing my disapproval of WG's views on parenting and birth control because expressing my opinions on the matter would likely get me banned—or people would laugh and say, "That's physically impossible."

282 Penny T. Wienerdog  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:09:58pm

From Townhall.com:

"A Friday hearing revealed that an Obama partisan has manipulated an independent investigator’s subpoena list of a controversial inquiry against GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin."

How much of BHO's George Soros's money go to this?

283 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:10:22pm

re: #271 Ward Cleaver

Where are you at?

East side of Garland, Texas.

284 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:10:29pm

re: #272 spidly

easy pickin's considering his wing man

Or wing person.

285 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:10:35pm

And lo, panic is setting in.
(Courtesy of Hot Air)

286 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:10:46pm

re: #283 David IV of Georgia

East side of Garland, Texas.

I'm in Wylie.

287 LEGION  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:10:50pm

re: #260 Ward Cleaver

Whoopie should go back to hairstyling in funeral parlors. She is a disgrace.

288 ErnieG  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:10:59pm

The thought occurred to me that, based on what we've seen so far, the "community organizer" couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery. (not sure what that means but I like the expression)

289 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:11:06pm

re: #216 Intrepid

It all started unraveling with the Saddleback forum. The rambling and in some cases non-sensical answers Obama gave were completely trumped by McCain's quick and steady replies. Obama's first really large gaffe - "that's above my pay-grade" - was widely ridiculed and started the first rumblings that signaled structural damage this his house of cards.

Then he made a safe choice in VP, not even taking into consideration (or maybe so?) that just months previously Joe had unequivocally stated that Obama wasn't ready to be president. And that Joe had said he'd be proud to run with McCain.

Their convention antics with the no floor vote was the nail in the coffin for the PUMA folks, though, and served to turn what could be millions of Hillary voters against Obama.

And then, seemingly from nowhere, up comes Governor Palin, and they haven't recovered from SarahCuda yet.

great summation.
i agree, the above my pay grade answer to the question: when does life begin,
really showed what an evasive cowardly person he is.
that soured many americans.
he has no momentum now but backwards.
and sarah has the spot light that he once basked in and took for granted as his alone.

290 RememberSekhmet?  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:11:08pm

Still haven't heard from Mom since yesterday. My brother is OK. He texted me this morning when he got off work.

291 tee866  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:11:14pm

This is why you don't bring a knife to a gun fight,or try to play chess with a master of the game McCain didn't stay in the military and Congress as long as he has without learning a few tricks it also doesn't hurt that his campaign manager worked with Rove.

292 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:11:30pm

re: #274 victor_yugo

The new OODA loop:

Observe:
Obama
Doesn't
Achieve

Maybe he'll come out and claim that he has had such a crap campaign due to the legacy of slavery. The black man is programmed for failure and he unconsciously undermined.....

last minute sympathy ploy?

293 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:11:37pm

re: #286 Ward Cleaver

I'm in Wylie.

So you're a northerner.

294 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:11:48pm

re: #284 Ward Cleaver

Or wing person.

I'll bet Sarah wouldn't care if the "politically correct" term were used or not

295 arf  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:12:05pm

Hat tip James Taranto "Best of the Web today". I don't know if anyone here has linked this. A Pacifica Radio interview of Mike Gravel, regarding his fellow Alaska politician Sarah Palin.

Gravel does not agree with Palin on any of her policy positions, says he offers no support for the McCain-Palin ticket, but he admires her as an individual, and overall supports what she did in Alaska, including her decision in so-called "troopergate", and her tough stand with the oil interests.

It's alternately painful, fascinating, funny. The Pacifica reporters are clearly looking to manufacture a smear story, and Gravel doesn't give them one.

296 johnnycache  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:12:26pm

One of my favorite films is "Quigley Down Under" an Australian Western . . . .

Quigley, an American cowboy, played by Tom Selleck, is an expert riflemen and does battle with the villain, Alan Rickman.

In the final shoot out, Rickman thinks he's got Quigley 'cause he makes him use a pistol instead of the rifle.

Quigley takes him down, anyway, and as the villain expires, Quigley explains, "I said I didn't have much use [for a pistol]; never said I didn't know how to use one."

I'm thinking of McCain and the internet and Obama.

297 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:12:27pm

You know what politics is? Howard Dean knows what politics is..

Howard Dean: “Politics is working in the school for the school board, politics is making sure your library is run right. Politics is making sure people get out and vote and that your own community cares about each other, that’s what politics is. And that’s what you have to do, politics is in fact community organizing, that’s what politics is. And you need to be in it always.”

Hey wait just one single minute there buster. Obama said community organizing was his job before he got into politics.

298 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:12:31pm

re: #284 Ward Cleaver

Or wing person.

wing spud

299 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:12:38pm

re: #283 David IV of Georgia

East side of Garland, Texas.

I'm in Austin. Last wednesday, we were forecast for 8-10 inches of rain. I didn't want that, but I was hoping to maybe catch an outer arm and get an inch or so. Not a drop.

Good luck to you and everyone up there, I hope you just get some good rain, maybe shake out some dead limbs, and that's it.

300 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:12:54pm

re: #232 David IV of Georgia

A mother's spit is never inappropriate.

i felt like a puppy.

301 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:13:12pm

re: #281 David IV of Georgia

lol, Behar is worse imho. I stay as far away from their show as possible. Neither "lady" is worthy of carrying Cindy McCain's trash out to the curb.

302 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:14:21pm

re: #250 jcm

Exactly. A lot of high paid consultants and advisors.

303 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:14:25pm

re: #216 Intrepid

re: #289 nyc redneck

Obama's first really large gaffe - "that's above my pay-grade" -

My 1st thought when I saw him say thyat was

He and his staff KNEW that question was going to be asked. They spent hours and hours mulling over what Obamas answer sgould be,, and THATS what these "geniuses" and advisers came up with !

304 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:14:27pm

re: #297 Mich-again

You know what politics is? Howard Dean knows what politics is..
Howard Dean: “Politics is working in the school for the school board, politics is making sure your library is run right. Politics is making sure people get out and vote and that your own community cares about each other, that’s what politics is. And that’s what you have to do, politics is in fact community organizing, that’s what politics is. And you need to be in it always.”

Hey wait just one single minute there buster. Obama said community organizing was his job before he got into politics.

Yeah, Howard, you've done so much to build a community where everyone cares about each other with this election cycle.
/

305 willowone  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:14:29pm

re: #278 vagabond trader

It won"t matter, i have explained till i'm blue in the face, his lies, his aquantices, his comments about middle america, his aryes, achi, farrakans,wright, his voting record.. nothing seems to reach their brains. I finally end at. " if nothing else, are you NOT disturbed that an election was stolen by the Haves from the havenots, and just who the hell are the Dems supposedly supposed to represent." to no affects.
i don't know whats happened to my old friends.

306 Perry  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:14:31pm

re: #301 vagabond trader

lol, Behar is worse imho. I stay as far away from their show as possible. Neither "lady" is worthy of carrying Cindy McCain's trash out to the curb.


Ding.

307 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:14:51pm

re: #297 Mich-again

You know what politics is? Howard Dean knows what politics is..

Hey wait just one single minute there buster. Obama said community organizing was his job before he got into politics.

Yeaghhhhhhh!

308 rightismight  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:15:17pm

It's clear now that the Obamasiah feels the cold, fetid stench of defeat and is flailing about like an 85 year-old man with ED watching porno movies. Obama is the epitomy of an "empty suit" candidate and the rest of America is beginning to realize it...

309 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:15:39pm

re: #293 David IV of Georgia

So you're a northerner.

Yup. Just ran the garage door up to check the rain gauge. One inch so far.

When I came home from work yesterday, a couple of neighbors were mowing their yards. I should have done that. Now I'll have to wait a few days.

310 DoubleU  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:16:24pm

re: #12 cliffster

Why doesn't Obama just come out with an ad where he looks at the camera and says, "I'm Barack Obama, and I'm a pretentious asshole"?

I thought he said that at all his appearances.

311 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:16:46pm

re: #308 rightismight

It's clear now that the Obamasiah feels the cold, fetid stench of defeat and is flailing about like an 85 year-old man with ED watching porno movies. Obama is the epitomy of an "empty suit" candidate and the rest of America is beginning to realize it...

Block the mental image.. block the mental image... doooohhhhh! Damn you, rightismight!

312 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:16:47pm

re: #292 spidly

Maybe he'll come out and claim that he has had such a crap campaign due to the legacy of slavery. The black man is programmed for failure and he unconsciously undermined.....

last minute sympathy ploy?

That would backfire absolutely, and destroy any remaining shreds of The Fascist Tool Barack Obama's campaign.

Because if he is programmed for failure, there's no way we'll let him drag down the entire nation with him.

313 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:16:51pm

re: #301 vagabond trader

lol, Behar is worse imho. I stay as far away from their show as possible. Neither "lady" is worthy of carrying Cindy McCain's trash out to the curb.

Joy Behar is Whoopi's flunkie.

314 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:17:40pm

Oh my.......the wheels are coming off Obama's magic bus: Barack Obama under fire for ignoring advice on how to beat John McCain [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

315 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:17:58pm

re: #265 de La Valette

He didn't understand the bottleneck in the text messaging system would not let him do it during business hours. This forced him to do it in the wee hours of the morning. Which threw of the press coverage, no big bang event on the evening news and infuriated the Hilary crowd because it looked like he was mocking the 3AM ad.

For a bunch of geniuses, they sure do miss the point a lot.

316 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:18:00pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

re: #289 nyc redneck

Obama's first really large gaffe - "that's above my pay-grade" -

My 1st thought when I saw him say thyat was

He and his staff KNEW that question was going to be asked. They spent hours and hours mulling over what Obamas answer sgould be,, and THATS what these "geniuses" and advisers came up with !

Paralysis by analysis.

Dopes

317 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:18:45pm

re: #314 MrPaulRevere

Oh my.......the wheels are coming off Obama's magic bus: Barack Obama under fire for ignoring advice on how to beat John McCain [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

'bout sums it up...
"These guys are on the verge of blowing the greatest gimme in the history of American politics. They're the most arrogant bunch Ive ever seen. They won't accept that they are losing and they won't listen."

318 rightismight  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:19:06pm

re: 311 Cliffster: Sorry! My sincerest apologies!

319 Olderthandirt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:19:31pm

#270 jcm: Yep, he and his wing person, Ol BBuster, got radar lock on The One!

320 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:19:34pm

My favorite quote from the Telegraph article: A senior Democratic strategist, who has played a prominent role in two presidential campaigns, told The Sunday Telegraph: "These guys are on the verge of blowing the greatest gimme in the history of American politics. They're the most arrogant bunch Ive ever seen. They won't accept that they are losing and they won't listen."

321 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:19:41pm

re: #289 nyc redneck

great summation.
i agree, the above my pay grade answer to the question: when does life begin,
really showed what an evasive cowardly person he is.
that soured many americans.
he has no momentum now but backwards.
and sarah has the spot light that he once basked in and took for granted as his alone.

I think that the "paygrade" remark was meant as a joke trying to evade the ramifications of answering the question transparently. It would have worked in a sympathetic room. He did not, however, have a sympathetic room. As president, his power would equal the SCOTUS. As president it is well within his paygrade to not only have an opinion on the matter, but to make policies based on his opinions. So his quip did not fly.

322 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:20:12pm

re: #305 willowone

Sadly, same here with one good friend. She has an advanced case of BDS, claims to be an independent. I've lost a lot of respect for her.Good news though, my liberal gay hairstylist ,his companion, and another gay male friend are all for McCain. Now that was a shocker!

323 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:20:44pm

Zogby: McCain Surges in Electoral College Count

In this latest adjustment of the Zogby map, Obama has lost 26 Electoral College votes from two states—Pennsylvania and New Mexico – both of which were moved from the Obama column into the toss-up column.

Meanwhile, McCain has gained enough ground to have—at least for now—captured a definitive lead in seven new states: Ohio, Missouri, Nevada, South Carolina, Montana, South and North Dakota. McCain’s gains total 54 Electoral College votes. Based on a Zogby analysis of other credible polling and demographic trends, the Zogby map is also moving four other states – Montana, South Carolina, South Dakota, and North Dakota from toss-ups into the McCain column.

All of McCain’s gains come from moving toss-up states into his column—no states moved directly from Obama to McCain.

There is an icy chill running up the backs of the leftists......and more negativity and more smears will not stop this. Neither will more obvious hit pieces from the MSM. The electorate is telling them something, but they are too arrogant to listen.

324 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:21:10pm

re: #290 RememberSekhmet?

Still haven't heard from Mom since yesterday. My brother is OK. He texted me this morning when he got off work.

so sorry, {RememberSekhmet}.
oh boy, waiting and being patient is so hard to do.
but stay positive.
you'll hear from her soon.
i'm saying a prayer for your mom.

325 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:21:24pm

re: #317 jcm

GMTA, and all that. When top Democrats are saying the things lizards have been saying for ages, you are in deep, deep do-do.

326 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:22:20pm

re: #229 David IV of Georgia

They don't realize their policies are unworkable. They think they are brilliant. So they try to convince everyone else that these miserable policies are brilliant. Most people, when these policies are shoved in front of them aren't impressed—um, that's cut glass, not a diamond. So then they begin to think everyone is stupid and it is up to them to "save" us. The more they try, the more they alienate.

Dave 4 -

Problem is they always structure it to look like Santa Claus. Voting against Santa is NOT easy. Especially if you are living "check to check" - (notice I did not use the prefix "pay" in front of check, though i do include it). Envy, a/k/a covetousness is a strong motivation - that is why it was included in the TENSUGGESTIONS uh, COMMANDMENTS.

-S-

327 willowone  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:22:40pm

re: #322 vagabond trader
thank G-d for those that didn't lose their way, I've never seen anything like this election... the raw hate from left is actually terrifying

328 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:22:48pm

ATTENTION LIZARDS

This morning, I got the people in my subdivision together and we spruced up the entrance a little (raked, pruned, trimmed and mowed, a few new plants)

I am now OFFICIALLY a Community Organizer.
Next year I will run and win a US Senate Seat. 6 months after I start my campaing to be 2012 President of the USA

Your contributions can be sent too ,,,,,,,,,

329 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:23:07pm

re: #322 vagabond trader

Sadly, same here with one good friend. She has an advanced case of BDS, claims to be an independent. I've lost a lot of respect for her.Good news though, my liberal gay hairstylist ,his companion, and another gay male friend are all for McCain. Now that was a shocker!

Palin effect!

330 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:23:11pm

re: #322 vagabond trader

Good news though, my liberal gay hairstylist ,his companion, and another gay male friend are all for McCain. Now that was a shocker!

They know they have nothing to fear from one who has survived, and overcome, the worst humanity has to offer.

331 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:23:19pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

re: #289 nyc redneck

Obama's first really large gaffe - "that's above my pay-grade" -

My 1st thought when I saw him say thyat was

He and his staff KNEW that question was going to be asked. They spent hours and hours mulling over what Obamas answer sgould be,, and THATS what these "geniuses" and advisers came up with !

That's the problem with the lack of core values, everything is for the momentary benefit, or specifcally with Obama who can't let his core values show, he has to rely on a cadre of advisors.

Everything is studied to death, how will this play with this demographic. Okay, we piss this group off today with this, but buy them back tomorrow with that.

McCain's got a steel core (just mushy on outside on somethings), Palin in some respects more so, she's lived her core every day and it shows. They don't need to ask what the right thing is, they do do work on the delivery and how it's message is put out.

332 Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo)  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:23:29pm

Charles is by no means being cynical on this one - in fact, Roger Kimball's taken the thought one step further.

333 looking closely  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:23:30pm

re: #236 HelloDare

There's all this press about what a great campaign Obama ran. He beat Hillary. Yeah, but he ostracized a huge portion of her constituency in the process. How smart was that?


First of all, he barely beat her, and if the Dems didn't have that stupid caucus system, he would have lost handily.

Not that Hilary herself wasn't a flawed candidate. I think I was in the minority, but I predicted here 1.5 years ago (when the conventional wisdom was for a Clinton-Giuliani contest) that not only would she not be elected POTUS, she wasn't even a sure shot for the Dem nomination. In short, too much baggage, too disliked by males.

Obama's biggest problem, IMO, isn't any particular strategic error on his part, its that he's a zero. He's totally green, hasn't done anything, hasn't run anything; the political equivalent of a person who gets by on good looks alone. For him its all about image, and always has been.

334 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:23:33pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

re: #289 nyc redneck

Obama's first really large gaffe - "that's above my pay-grade" -

My 1st thought when I saw him say thyat was

He and his staff KNEW that question was going to be asked. They spent hours and hours mulling over what Obamas answer sgould be,, and THATS what these "geniuses" and advisers came up with !

exactly,
stunning that those idiots thought that would be a good answer.
appropriate and clever to such a serious question.
morons.

335 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:23:58pm

re: #249 Lynn B.

Great point. It just makes me a little nuts to see all these kids hunched over on the bus, train, in the mall, thumbs furiously punching away. Sometimes it seems like they're just not at all where they are.

Of course, when I was a teenager I wasn't where I was either. Just getting old, I guess.

Yes, and I am too. I have a 16-year-old daughter, and I am forever amazed at how disconnected she seems to me sometimes. Then I think back to when I was 16 . . . and I was the same way.

336 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:24:00pm

re: #317 jcm

.....and union leaders who have experience of winning hard-fought races in swing states have been bombarding Obamas campaign headquarters with telephone calls offering advice.

kneecaps....its all about the kneecaps. Rebar to the small of the back is effective too. you smear a little bootblack on the lever.....

337 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:24:57pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

ATTENTION LIZARDS

This morning, I got the people in my subdivision together and we spruced up the entrance a little (raked, pruned, trimmed and mowed, a few new plants)

I am now OFFICIALLY a Community Organizer.
Next year I will run and win a US Senate Seat. 6 months after I start my campaing to be 2012 President of the USA

Your contributions can be sent too ,,,,,,,,,

I called my neighbors and we did a neighborhood garage sale. I too, am a community organizer and I have an advantage over you because of my experience with business and economics.

338 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:25:06pm

re: #314 MrPaulRevere

From your link:

A senior aide to one of the most powerful Democrats in the House of Representatives voiced the fears of many: "Palin doesn't just play to the Republican base. She has much broader appeal."

The aide said that her repeated mockery of Mr Obama's boasts about his time as a community organiser in Chicago are "the most effective criticisms of Barack Obama we have yet seen." He said: "Americans in small and medium size towns dont know what the hell a community organiser is. Real Americans graduate from high school or college and get a job that pays a wage. Campus radicals go off and organise a community."

HAHAHA! No kidding, at least they got that right! That is exactly what normal Americans think.

339 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:25:42pm

sending out his own emails is below McCain's pay grade anyway.

what this campaign really needs is more Michelle. can't get enough of that icy cold dagger-stare.

340 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:25:45pm

re: #313 Ward Cleaver

Joy Behar is Whoopi's flunkie.

They Palin comparison.

Thanks, I'll be here until Tuesday, try the steak.

341 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:26:04pm

re: #238 Perry

At my house it's called Universal Solvent.

;)

342 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:26:22pm

re: #329 cliffster

One somewhat, but the other two, about a month ago I walk into the salon and he says "McCain." I nearly fainted. They detest the misogyny shown toward Hil, cannot wait to hear their take on the Gov.lol

343 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:26:31pm

re: #297 Mich-again

And did any Democrat claim Howard Dean was not "qualified" because his state of Vermont not only has the SMALLEST population in the entire country but on ALL the criteria used to measure the executive power of the Governor's office, Vermont has the LOWEST rating.

Governor's office in Alaska is one of the country's most powerful.

2008 rate Alaska at 4.1 on a scale of 5. The national average is 3.5.
California Governor rates as below-average (3.2) in executive authority.
The lowest rating goes to Vermont (2.5),

In 1992, the year Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton was elected President, his state budget was $2 billion and among the smallest in the country. Compared to that, Sarah Palin is an executive giant. (Alaska 11 billion)

Source: [Link: online.wsj.com...]

344 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:26:34pm

It is a monsoon outside. I think I may need to get the mop and wet/dry vac out just in case.

345 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:26:49pm

re: #323 Athos

Sounds like Zogby is just catching up to RCP.

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

346 zombie  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:26:57pm

Just spotted in moonbatville -- the latest slang/slur against Palin:

Moose-alini

347 ggt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:26:58pm

I love text messaging. It takes so much less time than calling someone and waiting for the obligatory number of rings and then listening to the message and then finally the beep. Much easier to txt.

348 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:27:00pm
349 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:27:20pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

ATTENTION LIZARDS

This morning, I got the people in my subdivision together and we spruced up the entrance a little (raked, pruned, trimmed and mowed, a few new plants)

I am now OFFICIALLY a Community Organizer.
Next year I will run and win a US Senate Seat. 6 months after I start my campaing to be 2012 President of the USA

Your contributions can be sent too ,,,,,,,,,

Great! Except for one thing......the term 'community organizer' is actually the politically correct codeword for community agitator. Now if you agitated the 'man' into doing the work for you and your community using tax dollars taken from the under-taxed rich, then you would be on your way. Oh, and you also have to be appointed, without having any real experience, to the Board of a foundation responsible for $150M and work to provide grants of million towards the indoctrination of schoolchildren in socialism.

350 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:27:46pm

re: #338 gop_patriot

From your link:

HAHAHA! No kidding, at least they got that right! That is exactly what normal Americans think.

visions of drum circles and black and white keffiyehs

351 DoubleU  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:28:28pm

re: #320 MrPaulRevere

I remember Kerry was arrogant and "knew" he was going to win. The dems went out and found somebody even more Kerry than Kerry.

352 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:29:03pm

re: #346 zombie

Just spotted in moonbatville -- the latest slang/slur against Palin:

Moose-alini

Oh, they're so clevah. Again with the 'facist' insinuations. Really, they're like a broken record. An old, scratched, wrong broken record. LOL

353 phoenixgirl  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:29:09pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

you are black?/

354 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:29:17pm

re: #346 zombie

Just spotted in moonbatville -- the latest slang/slur against Palin:

Moose-alini

How long until Moose-lima?

355 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:29:18pm

re: #341 nyc redneck

My Dad used his cotton hanky to clean my dirty face. Hated it, all squirming, would give anything to have him do that one more time.

356 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:29:41pm
357 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:30:26pm

re: #343 Nancy

Who will rid me of these troublesome facts?
/King O Henry II

358 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:30:45pm

re: #314 MrPaulRevere

Oh my.......the wheels are coming off Obama's magic bus: Barack Obama under fire for ignoring advice on how to beat John McCain [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

That is a fabulous article. Thanks for posting the link.

359 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:30:45pm

re: #351 DoubleU

I remember Kerry was arrogant and "knew" he was going to win. The dems went out and found somebody even more Kerry than Kerry.

"I can't believe I could lose to this idiot" I believe was the exact quote, days before the election.

This idiot that had better grades than Kerry in the same Ivy League university

360 rightismight  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:31:13pm

is it just me, but I've been bouncing off of the walls just waiting for theObamasiah's next gaffe. It's like when I was seven years old on the day before Christmas...problem is, It's just Saturday. I can't wait until Monday!

361 Last Mohican  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:31:23pm

re: #349 Athos

That's a good point. A community organizer would never get people together to work on bettering their community. A community organizer's job is to extract money from the government, so that people don't have to work on bettering their community.

362 x-ray  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:31:57pm

re: #334 nyc redneck
Obama's first really large gaffe - "that's above my pay-grade" -

exactly,
stunning that those idiots thought that would be a good answer.
appropriate and clever to such a serious question.
morons.

What I can't understand about that quote is who is above the pay grade of the POTUS. Isn't that the job he is shooting for?

363 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:32:11pm

re: #346 zombie

Just spotted in moonbatville -- the latest slang/slur against Palin:

Moose-alini


Isn't that one of Sarah's recipe of a moose pasta dish?

364 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:32:39pm

re: #355 vagabond trader

My Dad used his cotton hanky to clean my dirty face. Hated it, all squirming, would give anything to have him do that one more time.

that always disgusted my mom. wet wipes or we'd just get the hose

365 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:32:44pm

re: #348 ploome hineni


As much as the MSM harps about Bush's low approval ratings, the rather conveniently neglect to mention Congress and Senate's even lower approval ratings. Also, aren't the MSM's 'approval ratings' pretty low themselves? (I don't know if they post approval ratings for the MSM, but if they did, I'd be surprised if it broke into the double digits)

/Curious to see what happens when the MSM is carrying water for a candidate who seems bound and determined to lose like Obama

366 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:32:49pm

re: #356 ploome hineni

Methinks the senator from Chicago knows all about sleaze and like a true libral soldier can dish it out but cannot take it.

367 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:32:50pm

At Electoral Vote.com, Ohio has slipped from "barely Democrat" to "barely Republican."

368 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:33:59pm

re: #362 x-ray

Obama's first really large gaffe - "that's above my pay-grade" -


What I can't understand about that quote is who is above the pay grade of the POTUS. Isn't that the job he is shooting for?

The question still demands an answer. Will it be asked again during the 'debates'?

369 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:34:10pm

re: #351 DoubleU

Its all about expectations, really. As I stated earlier, they were expecting McCain to run a respectable losing campaign like Bob Dole did. The were/are intoxicated with their success over Hillary. They thought they could pick Fred the postman as VP and win. They have no plan B, and are lashing out in a confused, juvenile manner.

370 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:34:18pm

Fox.....

The death toll in the collision of a Metrolink train and a freight train reached 24 Saturday and was expected to rise, officials said, as the commuter passenger service announced that a preliminary investigation determined that its own engineer failed to stop at a red light.

371 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:34:22pm
re: #362 x-ray

re: #334 nyc redneck

Obama's first really large gaffe - "that's above my pay-grade" -
exactly,
stunning that those idiots thought that would be a good answer.
appropriate and clever to such a serious question.
morons.

What I can't understand about that quote is who is above the pay grade of the POTUS. Isn't that the job he is shooting for?

He was just trying to make debates "cool" again....

372 Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo)  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:34:40pm

RE: #183 jcm - I have the dubious honor of living in a Seattle suburb that's so leftist it makes Berkeley look like a Marine base. If Johnny Mac actually succeeds in carrying WA state, they'll be able to hear the caterwauling of all these sensitive, enlightened progressives all the way to Ellensburg.

373 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:34:43pm

Just got in from supper and heard these exact words from an Obama 'strategist' on NPR:

"The Republican plan of less taxes and smaller government is a job killer, not a job maker."

Unfreakingbelievable. What a freaking moron.

374 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:34:55pm

re: #368 The Shadow Do

Given the moderators of the debates, I doubt it.

375 right_on_target  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:35:34pm

re: #317 jcm

'bout sums it up...
"These guys are on the verge of blowing the greatest gimme in the history of American politics. They're the most arrogant bunch Ive ever seen. They won't accept that they are losing and they won't listen."


---------------------------------
Because they are KIDS, KIDS playing politics and politics is "cool".
Arrested mental development KIDS.

376 x-ray  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:35:55pm

re: #368 The Shadow Do

The question still demands an answer. Will it be asked again during the 'debates'?

My guess would be not in the Presidential debate just in the VP debate.

377 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:36:02pm

re: #337 cliffster

I called my neighbors and we did a neighborhood garage sale. I too, am a community organizer and I have an advantage over you because of my experience with business and economics.

I AM A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER!

The Spartacus Candidate

378 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:36:11pm

re: #367 victor_yugo

This is where I worry about voter fraud. I saw a story that a good number of the absentee ballots sent by the McCain campaign to Ohio have been rejected for some technical reason. Classic Obamoid move, how he won his state seat.Dig for uncrossed t's and disqualify.

379 cliffster  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:36:33pm

re: #369 MrPaulRevere

Its all about expectations, really. As I stated earlier, they were expecting McCain to run a respectable losing campaign like Bob Dole did. The were/are intoxicated with their success over Hillary. They thought they could pick Fred the postman as VP and win. They have no plan B, and are lashing out in a confused, juvenile manner.

Good point. Lose graciously, like you're supposed to! Could they actually look into his past and see a single ounce of "lose", or "supposed to" in John McCain?

380 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:36:54pm

re: #367 victor_yugo

At Electoral Vote.com, Ohio has slipped from "barely Democrat" to "barely Republican."

this is just the sideways skid. will Obama:
a) turn with the skid
b) overcorrect

381 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:36:57pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

You have it slightly backwards --as a community organizer instead of organizing the community to DO the work, you were supposed to organize them to PROTEST that it needed sprucing up and demand that someone else PAY for it and do it.

Then you could run for the senate! Actually, there are NO qualifications for running for Congress except you have to be a citizen. You simply need to get enough signatures on the petitions to put your name on the ballot!

382 neocon hippie  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:37:35pm

The entire Obama candidacy is a hail Mary strategy on the part of the American left. A last chance to try via the electoral process to capture the presidency, move rapidly toward socialism, undermine American sovereignty, etc., with a charismatic, melaninly-correct but empty and inexperienced candidate. If they fail, and it's looking more and more like they will, who knows what they will try? If they lose faith in the electoral process, then violence may become a reasonable option for some.

The coming meltdown may well show the 2000 and 2004 upsets, and perhaps even the whole BDS entity that we've known and loved, to be a walk in the park.

383 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:37:38pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

ATTENTION LIZARDS

This morning, I got the people in my subdivision together and we spruced up the entrance a little (raked, pruned, trimmed and mowed, a few new plants)

I am now OFFICIALLY a Community Organizer.
Next year I will run and win a US Senate Seat. 6 months after I start my campaing to be 2012 President of the USA

Your contributions can be sent too ,,,,,,,,,

Be sure that your wife will be extra pissy to everyone.

384 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:37:43pm

re: #285 livefreeor die

And lo, panic is setting in.
(Courtesy of Hot Air)

Thread worthy.

385 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:37:45pm

re: #372 Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo)

RE: #183 jcm - I have the dubious honor of living in a Seattle suburb that's so leftist it makes Berkeley look like a Marine base. If Johnny Mac actually succeeds in carrying WA state, they'll be able to hear the caterwauling of all these sensitive, enlightened progressives all the way to Ellensburg.

Shoreline, for me. It will be a close thing if it happens but right now the trends are good.

386 Thoughtcrime  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:37:50pm
re: #53 dentate

What technology, exactly, has Obama mastered, other than the Teleprompter?

re: #59 Dar ul Harbarian

The mirror

Post of the day!

387 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:37:54pm

re: #374 Athos

Given the moderators of the debates, I doubt it.

Do we know yet the moderators and formats? Well worth looking at in advance.

388 Geepers  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:38:02pm
In January, (2000) the campaign used the Internet to blunt charges that the senator had sent a letter to the FCC urging license approval for a supporter. Rather than respond through the press, the campaign went direct. "We scanned the actual letter into the site and said to our supporters, 'You decide,'" says Fose.

From the start of the campaign, the McCain forces understood that to have any chance of moving on and winning in other states, New Hampshire was critical. At a meeting in Washington, D.C., the senator was his usual bluff self: "What do I do if I win in New Hampshire?" he asked Fose. The reply was blunt: "Make sure you mention our Web site."

"You guys going to be ready?" McCain asked. Fose's response was to hire additional staff and add four dedicated servers to the operation. On February 8, (2000) the 19% margin of victory in New Hampshire stunned even McCain's own supporters. But, as he promised, Fose was ready. The senator gave his victory speech in front of a blue banner with www. McCain2000. com emblazoned across it. Fifteen minutes after McCain's victory declaration, "pop-up" windows appeared on the site advising visitors to "Click here to contribute today." The deluge began immediately. By the end of the week, the site had handled a staggering 10 million hits.

This was eight years ago.

And Obama's people evidently don't even know how to use Google today.

It must suck being one of Obama's whiz kids and watching Dusty old John run circle around you.

389 DoubleU  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:38:29pm

re: #352 gop_patriot

Its not fascism when they do it.

390 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:38:33pm

re: #373 NC State of Mind

Just got in from supper and heard these exact words from an Obama 'strategist' on NPR:

"The Republican plan of less taxes and smaller government is a job killer, not a job maker."

Unfreakingbelievable. What a freaking moron.

The personification of "useful idiot."

391 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:38:43pm

re: #373 NC State of Mind

Just got in from supper and heard these exact words from an Obama 'strategist' on NPR:

"The Republican plan of less taxes and smaller government is a job killer, not a job maker."

Unfreakingbelievable. What a freaking moron.

Yes, he is. It's clear he didn't read this - If you like Michigan's economy, you'll love Obama's.

Incredibly, the business climate in Michigan is now so unfavorable that it has overwhelmed the considerable comparative advantage in auto production that Michigan spent a century building up. No one should let Michigan politicians blame their problems solely on the decline of the U.S. auto industry. Yes, Michigan lost 83,000 auto manufacturing jobs during the past decade and a half, but more than 91,000 new auto manufacturing jobs sprung up in Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and Texas.

So what do the state laboratories tell us about the potential success of the economic programs presented by Barack Obama and John McCain?

Mr. McCain will lower taxes. Mr. Obama will raise them, especially on small businesses. To understand why, you need to know something about the "infamous" top 1% of income tax filers: In order to avoid high corporate tax rates and the double taxation of dividends, small business owners have increasingly filed as individuals rather than corporations. When Democrats talk about soaking the rich, it isn't the Rockefellers they're talking about; it's the companies where most Americans work. Three out of four individual income tax filers in the top 1% are, in fact, small businesses.

In the name of taxing the rich, Mr. Obama would raise the marginal tax rates to over 50% on millions of small businesses that provide 75% of all new jobs in America. Investors and corporations will also pay higher taxes under the Obama program, but, as the Michigan-Ohio-Illinois experience painfully demonstrates, workers ultimately pay for higher taxes in lower wages and fewer jobs.

Mr. Obama would spend all the savings from walking out of Iraq to expand the government. Mr. McCain would reserve all the savings from our success in Iraq to shrink the deficit, as part of a credible and internally consistent program to balance the budget by the end of his first term. Mr. Obama's program offers no hope, or even a promise, of ever achieving a balanced budget.

Mr. Obama would stimulate the economy by increasing federal spending. Mr. McCain would stimulate the economy by cutting the corporate tax rate. Mr. Obama would expand unionism by denying workers the right to a secret ballot on the decision to form a union, and would dramatically increase the minimum wage. Mr. Obama would also expand the role of government in the economy, and stop reforms in areas like tort abuse.

The states have already tested the McCain and Obama programs, and the results are clear. We now face a national choice to determine if everything that has failed the families of Michigan, Ohio and Illinois will be imposed on a grander scale across the nation.

Change doesn't always generate positive results......

392 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:39:11pm

re: #388 Geepers

This was eight years ago.

And Obama's people evidently don't even know how to use Google today.

It must suck being one of Obama's whiz kids and watching Dusty old John run circle around you.

Another disease on the left.... they know so much that isn't so.

393 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:39:20pm

Below my pay grade

This is not something normal people associate with. It is a way for people to weasel out of a situation. It's something people know he's never said before in earnest, just heard second-hand from somewhere else. In other words, the speaker is a phony.

*Ike report from farthest north Dallas* Light rain during the day and low to moderate winds. Non-event for Dallas, but hoping our southern and eastern friends are OK

394 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:39:25pm

re: #384 Racer X

failed to open page

395 Aussie Infidel  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:39:27pm

re: #214 nyc redneck

most lefties probably don't understand it.
too cynical to see the deep affection little piper had for that adorable baby.
it made me remember a few times my mom had to spit on a hankie and wipe our dirty little faces to make us more presentable.
it never occurred to me that it was inappropriate.
in fact, oddly, it's a pleasant memory.

MOTHER'S SPIT..... the Universal Solvent! :)

396 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:40:07pm

re: #382 neocon hippie

The entire Obama candidacy is a hail Mary strategy on the part of the American left. A last chance to try via the electoral process to capture the presidency, move rapidly toward socialism, undermine American sovereignty, etc., with a charismatic, melaninly-correct but empty and inexperienced candidate. If they fail, and it's looking more and more like they will, who knows what they will try? If they lose faith in the electoral process, then violence may become a reasonable option for some.

The coming meltdown may well show the 2000 and 2004 upsets, and perhaps even the whole BDS entity that we've known and loved, to be a walk in the park.

You may well see a resurrection of the Weather Underground types.

397 Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo)  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:40:11pm

Re #378 Vagabond Trader:

Between that and the fact that our friends at ACORN are at it again, we're now in the "trench warfare" phase of the campaign.

398 looking closely  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:40:21pm

I just had a cheerful thought.
Maybe Obama will become so unglued he'll lose his Senate re-election campaign in four years.
I doubt it (he'll still come out of this with a huge warchest), but its a nice pipe-dream.

399 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:40:26pm

re: #314 MrPaulRevere

Oh my.......the wheels are coming off Obama's magic bus: Barack Obama under fire for ignoring advice on how to beat John McCain [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]


From the link:

Party leaders and commentators say that the Democrat candidate spent too much of the summer enjoying his own popularity and not enough defining his positions on the economy - the number one issue for voters - or reaching out to those blue collar workers whose votes he needs if he is to beat Mr McCain.

Others concede that his trip to Europe was a distraction that enhanced his celebrity status rather than his electability on Main Street, USA.


Dude is done.

400 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:40:41pm

re: #387 The Shadow Do

Presidential Debate Moderators Set

The Commission on Presidential Debates announced the moderators for this fall’s matchups. Each debate will have a single moderator and last for 90 minutes. One presidential debate will focus primarily on domestic policy and another on foreign policy. Here’s a brief rundown of the details:

Jim Lehrer, executive editor and anchor of PBS’s “The NewsHour,” will moderate the first presidential debate on Sept. 26, at the University of Mississippi, Oxford, Miss.

Gwen Ifill, “The NewsHour” senior correspondent and managing editor of PBS’s “Washington Week,” will host the vice presidential debate on Oct. 2 at Washington University in St. Louis, Mo.

Tom Brokaw of NBC News will host a town-hall style debate between the presidential candidates on Oct. 7 at Belmont University, Nashville, Tenn.

Bob Schieffer, CBS News chief Washington correspondent and “Face the Nation” host, will moderate the Oct. 15 presidential debate at Hofstra University, Hempstead, N.Y.

401 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:41:34pm

re: #364 spidly

The "spit" and/or hanky predates wet wipes!
You know.......those "olden days" even before kleenex!

402 Moody Leo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:41:36pm

re: #245 livefreeor die

I saw ad on Food Network that Michelle was gonna be on Paula's Party next weekend. Wonder what they're gonna cook?

403 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:41:39pm

re: #385 jcm

Shoreline, for me. It will be a close thing if it happens but right now the trends are good.

wonder which way the Evergreen students are leaning?

404 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:41:45pm

re: #397 Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo)

Community organizers doing what they do best.

405 Tamron  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:41:54pm

re: #295 arf

Hat tip James Taranto "Best of the Web today". I don't know if anyone here has linked this. A Pacifica Radio interview of Mike Gravel, regarding his fellow Alaska politician Sarah Palin.

Gravel does not agree with Palin on any of her policy positions, says he offers no support for the McCain-Palin ticket, but he admires her as an individual, and overall supports what she did in Alaska, including her decision in so-called "troopergate", and her tough stand with the oil interests.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

It's alternately painful, fascinating, funny. The Pacifica reporters are clearly looking to manufacture a smear story, and Gravel doesn't give them one.


THANK YOU for that link! I think Mike Gravel's viewpoint is a fair representation of the majority of Alaskans, revealing their disgust regarding the gossipy cheap-shots being leveled towards Governor Sarah Palin by the Obama camp. That interview also reveals the strong negative bias of the interviewers, who repeatedly try to stir up or create more slimy cheap shots, but Gravel refuses to take the bait. The interview finally drifts so far away from their poisoned agenda, that they deliberately cut off Mike Gravel practically mid-sentence. Backfire!

Remember, Gov. Palin's public-approval rating is over 80%, here in Alaska. There's a very good reason for that: She simply deserves it.
.

406 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:42:04pm

re: #370 jcm

Fox.....

The death toll in the collision of a Metrolink train and a freight train reached 24 Saturday and was expected to rise, officials said, as the commuter passenger service announced that a preliminary investigation determined that its own engineer failed to stop at a red light.

What was his name?

407 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:42:09pm
408 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:42:14pm

re: #321 David IV of Georgia

I think that the "paygrade" remark was meant as a joke trying to evade the ramifications of answering the question transparently. It would have worked in a sympathetic room. He did not, however, have a sympathetic room. As president, his power would equal the SCOTUS. As president it is well within his paygrade to not only have an opinion on the matter, but to make policies based on his opinions. So his quip did not fly.

that was a question that wasn't above anyone's "pay grade".
a bum on the street could offer their opinion.
and if he thought it was an appropriate 'joke' answer for such a serious question, that fool is really out of touch.

409 Orbit Rain  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:42:19pm

"lipstick" was also a trap Obama threw his own self into

lol

410 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:42:22pm

re: #343 Nancy

Good point about comparing the difference in Governors' executive authority between Alaska, Arkansas and Vermont. How could being a Governor of a sleepy little State like Vermont prepare someone to be President.

Like P. Diddy said, They aint got no crackheads there.

411 ggt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:42:26pm

re: #400 Athos

What no Brit Hume, Chris Wallace or Shep Smith?

////I'm shocked.

412 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:42:59pm

re: #394 spidly

failed to open page

Corrected link in #314.

413 Perry  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:43:34pm

re: #388 Geepers

This was eight years ago.

And Obama's people evidently don't even know how to use Google today.

It must suck being one of Obama's whiz kids and watching Dusty old John run circle around you.

Which is why it isn't a setup. Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill. And Obama lacks skill.

414 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:45:06pm

re: #403 spidly

wonder which way the Evergreen students are leaning?

LOL! Maybe I should take a swing through the campus with my truck, with Bush 04, McCain and Rossi stickers.........

415 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:45:07pm

re: #401 Nancy

The "spit" and/or hanky predates wet wipes!
You know.......those "olden days" even before kleenex!

not for us man...we went dirty of pulled into a gas station or dunkin donuts. Mom would sooner use sandpaper than spit. she'd see other moms doing it and react like Monk seeing the kid eat his booger.

416 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:46:13pm

re: #400 Athos

Presidential Debate Moderators Set

Thanks. I am OK with all of that. Barack O'Sissy be damned on McCain's townhall tour challenge.

417 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:46:18pm

re: #373 NC State of Mind

Just got in from supper and heard these exact words from an Obama 'strategist' on NPR:

"The Republican plan of less taxes and smaller government is a job killer, not a job maker."

Unfreakingbelievable. What a freaking moron.

That's a joke right? He does live in our 4 dimensional space, right?

418 MJBrutus  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:46:20pm

McCain is playing chess these days, while the One is playing checkers. It's such a typical story of Dimmocrat arrogance being used against them. But they never learn. And that's a damned good thing!

419 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:46:21pm

re: #326 Dr. Shalit

Dave 4 -

Problem is they always structure it to look like Santa Claus. Voting against Santa is NOT easy. Especially if you are living "check to check" - (notice I did not use the prefix "pay" in front of check, though i do include it). Envy, a/k/a covetousness is a strong motivation - that is why it was included in the TENSUGGESTIONS uh, COMMANDMENTS.

-S-


It's a constant battle to keep people educated. The lies of the Left can sound so reasonable. What's wrong with fairness? They ask. Why shouldn't the workers share in the company's profits? What's wrong with putting all the money in a common pot and sharing it equally?

Well what's wrong is that it just doesn't work!

420 Walk Not So Softly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:46:50pm

Barak Obama: The Chicago Machines' greatest Tool...

421 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:47:25pm

re: #364 spidly

that always disgusted my mom. wet wipes or we'd just get the hose

/In my day, it was spit on a hanky, and we liked it!

422 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:47:51pm

re: #414 jcm

LOL! Maybe I should take a swing through the campus with my truck, with Bush 04, McCain and Rossi stickers.........

gotcha an NRA life member sticker too?

423 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:48:06pm
424 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:49:04pm

re: #355 vagabond trader

My Dad used his cotton hanky to clean my dirty face. Hated it, all squirming, would give anything to have him do that one more time.

i know.
:(

425 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:49:27pm

re: #418 MJBrutus

McCain is playing chess these days, while the One is playing checkers. It's such a typical story of Dimmocrat arrogance being used against them. But they never learn. And that's a damned good thing!

no, the messiah is playing pachinko

426 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:50:26pm

re: #369 MrPaulRevere

Its all about expectations, really. As I stated earlier, they were expecting McCain to run a respectable losing campaign like Bob Dole did. The were/are intoxicated with their success over Hillary. They thought they could pick Fred the postman as VP and win. They have no plan B, and are lashing out in a confused, juvenile manner.

A good military man expects to be surprised and out maneuvered and makes plans that can be rapidly altered to suit whatever comes. Unfortunately for BHO, there is only one military man in this race.

427 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:50:30pm

re: #422 spidly

gotcha an NRA life member sticker too?

You can place a Catepiller annual report in the back window....if it's a pickup truck, hang it just above the gun rack.

428 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:50:54pm

re: #402 Moody Leo

I saw ad on Food Network that Michelle was gonna be on Paula's Party next weekend. Wonder what they're gonna cook?

Their own gooses.

429 Moody Leo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:51:26pm

OT

Sitting here in NW Louisiana listening and watching TS Ike blow thru. As usual trees are down and there have been tornados, hopefully there won't be too much flooding but too early to tell.

430 Moody Leo  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:51:54pm

re: #428 NY Nana

hehehehe

431 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:52:46pm

re: #362 x-ray

Obama's first really large gaffe - "that's above my pay-grade" -


What I can't understand about that quote is who is above the pay grade of the POTUS. Isn't that the job he is shooting for?

i think he was trying to weasel out of the question by implying only god could know the answer. that's what it seemed like to me.

432 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:53:26pm

re: #427 Athos

You can place a Catepiller annual report in the back window....if it's a pickup truck, hang it just above the gun rack.

A copy of Caterpillar's invoice to Israel might work...

433 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:53:41pm

re: #427 Athos

You can place a Catepiller annual report in the back window....if it's a pickup truck, hang it just above the gun rack.

wonder what would happen if you cruised through campus on March 16 in a rented cat, big magen david painted on the side wearing an IDF kippa

434 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:53:41pm

re: #394 spidly

failed to open page

take out the extra "[Link: "...] in the address

435 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:53:42pm

re: #203 itellu3times

That's what Obama thinks, too. That's why he keeps protesting that he won't be "swift-boated". So, Obama must have been offended by this nutter, who hasn't noticed that that's exactly what Obama has already been doing.

Swift-boated, ... how about keel-hauled?

DINGed ya for that one.

436 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:53:52pm

re: #426 David IV of Georgia

Great point. Politics aside, Barack Obama has always struck me as a shallow immature young man, who surrounds himself with like minded people.

437 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:54:30pm

re: #421 NY Nana

/In my day, it was spit on a hanky, and we liked it!

You posh folks had hankies.

438 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:54:32pm

A senior Democratic strategist, who has played a prominent role in two presidential campaigns, told The Sunday Telegraph (UK): "These guys are on the verge of blowing the greatest gimme in the history of American politics. They're the most arrogant bunch Ive ever seen. They won't accept that they are losing and they won't listen."

439 jcm  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:55:15pm

re: #422 spidly

gotcha an NRA life member sticker too?

Need to install the gun rack too......

440 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:56:27pm

re: #8 The Other Les

Actually, with the Dems, it seems that the OO part of their OODA loop is missing.

441 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:56:32pm
442 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:56:34pm

re: #430 Moody Leo

;)

443 Athos  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:57:09pm

re: #433 spidly

I was thinking if the sign was for a St. Pancake breakfast......complete with the picture at the bottom of this entry....

444 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:57:34pm

re: #437 debutaunt

/Is it my fault that I was an only child?

445 lostlakehiker  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:58:01pm

re: #17 Intrepid

Observe Orient Decide Act. (Wikipedia explains).

446 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:58:17pm

re: #436 MrPaulRevere

Great point. Politics aside, Barack Obama has always struck me as a shallow immature young man, who surrounds himself with like minded people.

He has a great weakness in that he lets his opponents do the fact-checking that his own campaign should do.

447 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:58:27pm

"Thats above my pay grade" is just a different way to say "Not my yob mon."

448 Racer X  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:58:55pm

re: #314 MrPaulRevere

Oh my.......the wheels are coming off Obama's magic bus: Barack Obama under fire for ignoring advice on how to beat John McCain [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]



On Thursday Mr Obama did take advice from Bill Clinton, who is understood to have suggested ways to show those workers that he cares, an area where the former president excelled.

But it is a measure of his plight that the man who derailed the ambitions of Mrs Clinton, the most powerful woman in Democratic politics, now needs help from her husband to overcome the popularity of another alpha female who may be an even greater risk to his White House ambitions.


Bill's advice:
"I have an idea Barry, point out that McCain never waves to his supporters".

Like Bill is not secretly hoping for Barry to lose.

449 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:59:06pm

re: #406 debutaunt

What was his name?

i wondered that too, immediately.

450 Geepers  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 2:59:51pm

Perry (#413),

Hey Perry.

Which is why it isn't a setup.

I don't know. McCain claimed he "didn't know how to use email." And rather than check out that seemingly incongruous statement Obama's people jumped to the attack, their stated "new" tactic. (Tip to the Obama campaign: Don't tell your opponent your strategy.) They fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill. And Obama lacks skill.

True on both counts, as witnessed above.

451 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:00:08pm

re: #439 jcm

Need to install the gun rack too......

blues brothers loud speakers playing dick dale hava nagila wooooping like a kosher cowboy

452 Perry  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:00:32pm
453 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:00:50pm

re: #418 MJBrutus

Anyone with delusions of grandeur (aka Obama/followers) think they are so superior they don't learn because they believe everyone else is stupid and underestimate them.

It's more than arrogance. Arrogant persons are usually smart enough to recognize they act so.

Years ago we would say that a person could be intelligent but they were not necessarily SMART. And they are not smart because they underestimate the intelligence of those who disagree or have different views or opinions than they do.

454 TheQuay  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:01:23pm

The first mistake the Dems made was underestimating McCain ;-)

455 iceman1960  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:01:55pm

This is too funny.
You've got Obama making fun of a crippled POW and the Obama camp has stormtroopers on the ground in Alaska trying to defend an admitted child abuser while trying to destroy a loving mother who chose to give birth and care for a child with down syndrome.
Who is the genious behind this story line?

456 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:02:08pm

Heh. This is hilarious.

Point taken.

457 SecondComing  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:02:18pm

If I had any video editing skills I would take clips of Obama standing in front of the Greek columns for his speech, and other shot of him looking around snobbishly and set it the song "Megalomaniac" by Incubus. "Hey Megalomaniac you're no Jesus, yeah you're not f***ing Elvis." It fits him so well.

458 LEGION  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:02:23pm

Taking registrations from Acorn is NUTS! Void them all!

459 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:02:28pm

re: #447 Mich-again

And just another way to evade the question.

460 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:04:56pm
461 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:05:10pm

re: #454 TheQuay

The first mistake the Dems made was underestimating McCain ;-)

Hey guys - all we have to do is say, do ya want another four years of Bush? Piece of cake. Only idiots could blow this opportunity.

462 BrianA  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:05:11pm

Trapper John, POTUS!

463 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:05:13pm

Good afternoon everyone!
I was just reading a very entertaining column in the Boston Herald, Howie Carr is always great for a laugh at the expense of the moonbats.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

464 Perry  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:05:26pm

re: #450 Geepers

True on both counts, as witnessed above.


I'm totally fine with it, either way. :-)

465 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:05:26pm

re: #73 jcm

Pilots are indeed special.

There is NO room for ANY b.s. while flying, especially in most combat planes which are not designed with any inherent stability.

My dad flew P-38s. He said they took ALL you attention ALL the time. And no matter what the mission was, he said you got back soaked in sweat and completely drained.

Obama vs. McCain?

There is no comparison at all in my book.

466 LeonidasOfSparta  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:05:40pm

re: #436 MrPaulRevere

Great point. Politics aside, Barack Obama has always struck me as a shallow immature young man, who surrounds himself with like minded people.

absolutely! and, in the immortal words of twowrongswright:

"and the chickens done commmmmme hommmmme to roooooost"

I love that McCain is feisty and has a great sense of humor. One can hear it in his voice in the quote about Sarah which I have heard played (paraphrased only, and no "link" on this, forgive me if the paraphrase might be incorrect):

"And I can't WAIT to introduce her to Washington!"

The sound of his voice shows he's grinning ear to ear with the anticipation of the screams of horror of Stretch Pelosi, Hairless Reid, and their porkbarrel cronies. lmao. If he could dance a leprechaun's jig, he would-- with a lighthearted tap of his hat and a wink (reminded of the leprechaun king in the movie Darby O'Gill.)

LOVE LOVE LOVE it. Go John Go.

467 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:06:32pm

re: #413 Perry

Which is why it isn't a setup. Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill. And Obama lacks skill.

I like watching those "Stupid Criminal" videos where the dumb teenager decides to rob the old (WW II veteran paratrooper or such) man and finds out that old does not equal weak or easy.

"Just a knife? Don't you at least have a .38 or .45?" said one of these old men before he proceeded to break various bones and put the young punk in the hospital for a long stay.

468 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:06:49pm

I suspect that perhaps this audio clip of George Stephanopolus interviewing Obama may have been edited. Hard to say.
/

469 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:08:12pm
470 LEGION  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:08:50pm

I say nothing I hear nothing I see nothing I know nothing! Hogan's Heroes- Sgt Schultz! Reincarnated as B.O.

471 grahamski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:09:06pm

proves obama is a very easy mark....just think of the consequences of having a dolt like him being the President.


Shudder/

472 Reno911  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:09:31pm

re: #425 spidly

McCain and his advisers are warriors. They view the race for President in a maneuver warfare context. You can see maneuver warfare theory in every move McCain makes. McCain is operating in all three warfare domains (Strategic, Operational, Tactical) at peak efficiency. Somewhere in McCain's camp there is a John Boyd disciple, (probably an ex-Marine).

Fucking old guys rock.

Obama is over-matched.

473 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:10:04pm

re: #468 Mich-again

I suspect that perhaps this audio clip of George Stephanopolus interviewing Obama may have been edited. Hard to say.
/

hysterical.

474 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:10:35pm

You could be correct, Charles. In which event, the N.Y. Times looks even worse. (Both clueless and cruel, and probably both). In today's paper, they "evaluate" the Obama ad, which mocks McCain for not using e-mail or a computer. The basic message of the Obama ad: McCain's an old white guy who's out of date.

Their "evaluation": the Obama ad is "accurate" (their word).

475 grahamski  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:12:16pm

re: #7 mitthrawnurdo

Maybe if Obama was in the Senate more, he'd know that McCain is the Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee.

/Instead of forming Presidental Exploratory Committees when he should have been representing the people of Ill.

Give him a break, he was "present" ya know...


LMAO!

476 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:12:46pm

re: #472 Reno911

You can tell that they are acting and reacting at a level far above Obama's wide-eyed college crowd.

477 looking closely  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:13:44pm

re: #399 Racer X

Dude is done.


I wouldn't make the mistake of counting unhatched chickens.

No matter how you look at things, its still close, and depending on whose numbers you want to believe, Obama, though clearly slipping, may be yet still ahead.

There is still plenty of time left for derailment on either side.

478 ArmyWife  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:13:45pm

re: #337 cliffster

I called my neighbors and we did a neighborhood garage sale. I too, am a community organizer and I have an advantage over you because of my experience with business and economics.

I trump both of you AND indoctrinate young children. Everyday I have the Army bring me coffee in bed (skills in leading the military), then I get I get the crew up organizing one child to feed and let out dogs, another to pack lunches, get them dressed respectably, and out the door they go in a timely manner. I am off to work at a corporation where I deal with Unions. THEN , in the afternoon, these same children are given a task list to spruce our place up (we have a farmette, no neighborhood, so its a substitution). Sometimes there is lawn mowing, sometimes laundry folding AND putting away, sometimes there is even toilet scrubbing. The Army comes home and I lead him right to the grill for dinner (more military leadership). Then I pay bills (very experienced with budget creation and implementation). I have foreign policy experience, too - my mother and grandmother are French. Also, my mother in law is a raving lunatic Dem politician from Vermont no less, so bipartisan experience in the bag.

I am skipping the senate and beginning my campaigning for POTUS now. I'll send a paypal link for contributions.

479 Geepers  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:14:40pm

Perry (#464),

I'm totally fine with it, either way. :-)

Nice position to be in ain't it?

480 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:17:39pm

re: #436 MrPaulRevere

He struck me that way as well. Superficial.

I saw him as a persona --an identity facade he created for himself. Like the Wizard of Oz who other's have referenced, once the curtain fell away, there isn't anything that extraordinary about him.

I know persons who thinks he walks on water. Intelligent persons, NOT "moonbats" and actually compassionate persons but they want to believe IN him. It doesn't seem so much that they believe "what" is said but want to believe IN the person who they seem to have romanticized as his representing all that is ideal.

481 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:21:54pm

re: #472 Reno911

Given how inept the McCain campaign was until shortly before the convention, I disagree that his old team were geniuses. On the other hand, he did win the GOP primary against multiple, talented opponents. He seemed to end up as the default candidate of the moderates. On the other hand, half the GOP was demoralized by him. (I can't say I was exactly jumping up and down with joy.)

At this point McCain and Palin are looking to me more and more like the "tar baby" candidates. The harder Obama and his surrogates in the media punch them, the more "stuck" they get. Obama and his allies are flaming out. They can't control the firestorm they started about Palin. They're attacking McCain for injuries he suffered in the service, and his residual disabilities.

Fought on these issues, this is not the campaign that Obama wins.

482 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:22:24pm
483 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:22:50pm

re: #480 Nancy

I think leftists are predisposed to the cult of personality. The conservative/libertarians I associate with online and in real life utterly reject that sort of nonsense.

484 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:24:48pm

re: #478 ArmyWife

Props to you!

485 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:24:53pm

re: #1 Intrepid

John McCain: In a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent who refuses to take up weapons for the fight.

Fixed it for ya, although there may be a better way to say it.

486 Perry  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:26:08pm

re: #479 Geepers

Perry (#464),


Nice position to be in ain't it?

More advise for O's campaign:

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

487 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:26:13pm

There is an outright lie at Obama's website in this post. Heartland Change Tour: "We have to level the playing field"

Currently we consume twenty five percent of the world’s oil, but we only produce about three percent. Now I’m not a math major, but that just doesn’t add up to me.

Pure Bullshit. Here are some inconvenient truths. Global Oil Production and Consumption

The US Produces over 10 million barrels per day. It is Europe that only produces about 3 million barrels per day. True we use about 6 million more barrels of oil every day than Europe but there is little to no difference between how much we import and how much Europe imports on a net basis.

Saying that the US only produces 3 million barrels of oil a day doesn't even pass the sniff test. Only someone truly uninformed could think that.

488 Perry  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:26:53pm

re: #486 Perry

PIMF advice. Please make a note of it.

489 yochanan  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:27:40pm

re: #72 David IV of Georgia

I have a friend who knew a man that always seemed in good health, never complained. That man died. My friend was at the mortician's and the mortician asked him to come into the back room. The man who died was laying there. With no clothes on you could clearly see unset broken bones, terrible scars from burns, places where muscles had been mangled. The man had had the privilege of being the Nazi SS's special guest at one time. The man who died was St. Nikolai Velimirovich.

WHEN IDIOT LEFTIST call Ameica a fascist or nazi country it just gets me so upset, I know what real fascism was 95% of my wife's family were butchered by them. and yes Nikolai deserved saint hood.

490 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:28:20pm

re: #475 grahamski

And in the Illinois Legislature (though I don't think Congress) they have electronic voting and the legislator doesn't even have to actually be present.

But a party colleague will just push the present button so the person will collect their per diem even if they were not there. They also will leave a list of how they want their colleague to vote for them --yes or no.

There are good legislators and there are good congressmen. There are also others who don't do anything accept promote their own opportunities and careers.

491 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:28:33pm

re: #487 Mich-again

Fact checking myself. Duh, The US produces 10.7% of the world oil production, not 10 million barrels. Should have PIMFed that. But the fact remains that Obama's website says we only produce 3%.

492 yochanan  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:30:26pm

bill ayers comrades in the hanio hilton weren't a lot different from the animals who tortured St Nikolai even though I am not christian I am sure when G-D see his body he will be honored.

493 Born Again Republican  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:30:30pm

Fox News just had a bottom banner that stated "Obama camp says McCain is running a "sleazy and disreputable campaign". Where in the hell does he get that? He is throwing anything out there.

494 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:31:14pm

re: #480 Nancy

I'm voting for McCain. That said, I don't think Obama is without talent. A no-talent guy couldn't have done what he did to the Clintons. For that alone, he has my respect, if not my affection.

And it's still close and narrowing. McCain isn't pulling away yet, although the continuing attacks on Palin likely will increase his lead.

It ain't over yet, folks.

495 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:32:25pm

re: #493 Born Again Republican

Fox News just had a bottom banner that stated "Obama camp says McCain is running a "sleazy and disreputable campaign". Where in the hell does he get that? He is throwing anything out there.

they see the mud they are slinging rolling off their backs

496 Tamron  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:32:54pm

re: #456 FrogMarch

Heh. This is hilarious. Point taken.


ROFL! It certainly is:

...Mr. Obama’s second child is not a result of incest between Michelle Obama and her brother. The Obama’s have no comment other than to suggest that the media refuse to print any more than 456 above-the-fold stories about candidate’s children.

Obama has not pushed for teaching in America’s schools. He has said that students should be allowed to “ignore both sides” of the learning equation, but he also said learning “doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum...”

Maybe 'learning' is also above his paygrade.
.

497 RickZ  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:33:32pm

re: #38 susanl

I was shocked and offended when I heard about this yesterday.

I think Obama has realized that he isn't up to the job and is sabotaging himself. What else could it possibly be, no one could be that stupid, could they? Between this and the pig....

S

The Obama is Teleprompter Man in a Cro-Magnon world.

498 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:33:58pm

re: #492 yochanan

All good people are seamlessly connected at the deepest level IMHO.

499 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:34:59pm

re: #463 CapeCoddah

lololol, snort !

500 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:35:15pm

re: #52 Killian Bundy

Kudos to you! You get it!

501 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:35:27pm

re: #483 MrPaulRevere

Well, some of it just comes down to having some common sense!

It sort of comes down to thinking about doing or philosophizing about doing and actually DOING.

502 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:36:18pm
503 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:37:16pm

re: #494 quickjustice

He is not without talent and potential. He had a lot of backing and help in defeating the Clintons.

504 spidly  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:37:48pm

re: #503 Nancy

He is not without talent and potential. He had a lot of backing and help in defeating the Clintons.

ROVE

505 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:38:10pm
506 Tamron  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:41:06pm

re: #478 ArmyWife

I trump both of you AND indoctrinate young children. Everyday I have the Army bring me coffee in bed (skills in leading the military), then I get I get the crew up organizing one child to feed and let out dogs, another to pack lunches, get them dressed respectably, and out the door they go in a timely manner. I am off to work at a corporation where I deal with Unions. THEN , in the afternoon, these same children are given a task list to spruce our place up (we have a farmette, no neighborhood, so its a substitution). Sometimes there is lawn mowing, sometimes laundry folding AND putting away, sometimes there is even toilet scrubbing. The Army comes home and I lead him right to the grill for dinner (more military leadership). Then I pay bills (very experienced with budget creation and implementation). I have foreign policy experience, too - my mother and grandmother are French. Also, my mother in law is a raving lunatic Dem politician from Vermont no less, so bipartisan experience in the bag.

I am skipping the senate and beginning my campaigning for POTUS now. I'll send a paypal link for contributions.

GREAT! You can be VP in 2012!
.

507 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:41:17pm

re: #504 spidly

Could be..........LOL

508 LotharBot  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:51:14pm

re: #467 David IV of Georgia

I like watching those "Stupid Criminal" videos where the dumb teenager decides to rob the old (WW II veteran paratrooper or such) man and finds out that old does not equal weak or easy.

"Just a knife? Don't you at least have a .38 or .45?" said one of these old men before he proceeded to break various bones and put the young punk in the hospital for a long stay.

recall this scene from Secondhand lions...

509 Geepers  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:52:10pm

This seems fitting. From todays Shorpy:

Church of the Messiah in flames.

510 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:56:09pm

We should never underestimate the power of women.........some of you may remember this old joke that circulated around the internet several years ago:

JOKE:
Take all American women who are within five years of menopause. Train us for a few weeks, outfit us with automatic weapons, grenades, gas masks, moisturizer with SPF15, Prozac, hormones, chocolate, and canned tuna - drop us (parachuted, preferably) across the landscape of Afghanistan, and let us do what comes naturally.

Think about it. Our anger quotient alone, even when doing standard stuff like grocery shopping and paying bills, is formidable enough to make even armed men in turbans tremble.

We've had our children, we would gladly suffer or die to protect them and their future. We'd like to get away from our husbands, if they haven't left already. And for those of us who are single, the prospect of finding a good man with whom to share life is about as likely as being struck by lightning.

We have nothing to lose. We've survived the water diet, the protein diet, the carbohydrate diet, and the grapefruit diet in gyms and saunas across America and never lost a pound. We can easily survive months in the hostile terrain of Afghanistan with no food at all!

We've spent years tracking down our husbands or lovers in bars, hardware stores, or sporting events...finding bin Laden in some cave will be no problem. Uniting all the warring tribes of Afghanistan in a new government? Oh, please ... we've planned the seating arrangements for in-laws and extended families at Thanksgiving dinners for years ... we understand tribal Between us, we've divorced enough husbands to know every trick there is for how they hide, launder, or cover up bank accounts and money sources. We know how to find that money and we know how to seize it ... with or without the government's help!

Let us go and fight. The Taliban hates women. Imagine their terror as we crawl like ants with hot-flashes over their godforsaken terrain. I'm going to write my Congresswoman. You should, too! :

511 Tamron  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:56:44pm

re: #504 spidly

ROVE

Rove's latest:

Obama Can't Win Against Palin
Karl Rove
The Wall Street Journal Online
11 September 2008

Of all the advantages Gov. Sarah Palin has brought to the GOP ticket, the most important may be that she has gotten into Barack Obama's head. How else to explain Sen. Obama's decision to go one-on-one against "Sarah Barracuda," captain of the Wasilla High state basketball champs?

It's a matchup he'll lose. If Mr. Obama wants to win, he needs to remember he's running against John McCain for president, not Mrs. Palin for vice president.

Michael Dukakis spent the last months of the 1988 campaign calling his opponent's running mate, Dan Quayle, a risky choice and even ran a TV ad blasting Mr. Quayle. The Bush/Quayle ticket carried 40 states.

Adlai Stevenson spent the fall of 1952 bashing Dwight Eisenhower's running mate, Richard Nixon, calling him "the kind of politician who would cut down a redwood tree, and then mount the stump and make a speech for conservation." The Republican ticket carried 39 of 48 states.

If Mr. Obama keeps attacking Mrs. Palin, he could suffer the fate of his Democratic predecessors. These assaults highlight his own tissue-thin résumé, waste precious time better spent reassuring voters he is up for the job, and diminish him -- not her.

Consider Mr. Obama's response to CNN's Anderson Cooper, who asked him about Republican claims that Mrs. Palin beats him on executive experience. Mr. Obama responded by comparing Wasilla's 50 city workers with his campaign's 2,500 employees and dismissed its budget of about $12 million a year by saying "we have a budget of about three times that just for the month." He claimed his campaign "made clear" his "ability to manage large systems and to execute."

Of course, this ignores the fact that Mrs. Palin is now governor. She manages an $11 billion operating budget, a $1.7 billion capital expenditure budget, and nearly 29,000 full- and part-time state employees. In two years as governor, she's vetoed over $499 million from Alaska's capital budget -- more money than Mr. Obama is likely to spend on his entire campaign.

And Mr. Obama is not running his campaign's day-to-day operation. His manager, David Plouffe, assisted by others, makes the decisions about the $335 million the campaign has spent. Even if Mr. Obama is his own campaign manager, does that qualify him for president?

A debate between Mr. Obama and Mrs. Palin over executive experience also isn't smart politics for Democrats. As Mr. Obama talks down Mrs. Palin's record, voters may start comparing backgrounds. He won't come off well.

Then there was Mr. Obama's blast Saturday about Mrs. Palin's record on earmarks. He went at her personally, saying, "you been taking all these earmarks when it is convenient and then suddenly you are the champion anti-earmark person."

It's true. Mrs. Palin did seek earmarks as Wasilla's mayor. But as governor, she ratcheted down the state's requests for federal dollars, telling the legislature last year Alaska "cannot and must not rely so heavily on federal government earmarks." Her budget chief directed state agencies to reduce earmark requests to only "the most compelling needs" with "a strong national purpose," explaining to reporters "we really want to skinny it down."

Mr. Obama has again started a debate he can't win. As senator, he has requested nearly $936 million in earmarks, ratcheting up his requests each year he's been in the Senate. If voters dislike earmarks -- and they do -- they may conclude Mrs. Palin cut them, while Mr. Obama grabs for more each year.

(continued)

512 Tamron  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 3:57:07pm

(continued)

Mr. Obama may also pay a price for his "lipstick on a pig" comment. The last time the word "lipstick" showed up in this campaign was during Mrs. Palin's memorable ad-lib in her acceptance speech. Mr. Obama says he didn't mean to aim the comment at Mrs. Palin, but he deserves all the negative flashback he gets from the snarky aside.

Sen. Joe Biden has now joined the attack on Mrs. Palin, saying this week that her views on issues show she's "obviously a backwards step for women." This is a mistake. Mr. Obama is already finding it difficult to win over independent women and Hillary Clinton voters. If it looks like he's going out of his way to attack Mrs. Palin, these voters may conclude it's because he has a problem with strong women.

In Denver two weeks ago, Mr. Obama said, "If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from." That's what he's trying to do, only the object of his painting is Sarah Palin, not John McCain.

In Mrs. Palin, Mr. Obama faces a political phenomenon who has altered the election's dynamics. Americans have rarely seen someone who immediately connects with large numbers of voters at such a visceral level. Mrs. Palin may be the first vice presidential candidate since Lyndon B. Johnson to change an election's outcome. If Mr. Obama keeps attacking her, the odds of Gov. Palin becoming Vice President Palin increase significantly.

513 LEGION  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:00:54pm

So why did B.O.'s audience laugh at the lipstick comment and start chanting "No more Pitbulls" if he didn't mean Sarah? MSM LIES!

514 JustMyView  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:02:34pm

re: #491 Mich-again

Fact checking myself. Duh, The US produces 10.7% of the world oil production, not 10 million barrels. Should have PIMFed that. But the fact remains that Obama's website says we only produce 3%.

The T. Boone Pickens commercials we've all been hearing say that the US has 3% of the world's oil reserves. Does the Obama site perhaps refer to that rather than to production?

515 willowone  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:04:11pm

re: #510 Nancy nancy i've found this Puma site in last week, i think it speaks well of their ideas . and while i don't always admire their idealogy, i admire that they will stand up to a party that trashed women, and now they are standing up for Sara
[Link: countusout.wordpress.com...]

516 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:08:43pm

re: #513 LEGION

BHO knew exactly what meaning his audience would attach to it. It wasn't an innocent slip. He can make all the claims AFTER that he didn't mean it that way be he knew how it would be interpreted.

517 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:15:26pm

re: #514 JustMyView

Maybe that is what he meant to say. But then, those are known oil reserves only. And you can't find what you aren't looking for.

518 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:15:33pm

re: #514 JustMyView

How do those figures correlate with Alaska produces 20% of the US energy and we don't even KNOW how much more there up there.

I also do know that the US gets MOST of it's oil from Canada. If I recall, it is about 70% comes from Canada.

519 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:21:21pm

re: #508 LotharBot

recall this scene from Secondhand lions...

Just saw your clip, didn't see the movie, but yeah, that was what I was sayin'.

520 bill-tb  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:29:35pm

Old fighter pilots know how to do it, to screw up the other pilot, gets inside his decision loop, forces errors. Works every time with punks like Obama.

521 Yankee Division Son  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:34:15pm

From the Boston Globe (think NYT with a Boston accent) in 2000:

McCain character loyal to a fault

"McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain's encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He's an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can't raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball."

522 DoubleU  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:45:56pm

re: #322 vagabond trader

Good news though, my liberal gay hairstylist ,his companion, and another gay male friend are all for McCain. Now that was a shocker!


I also know people that say, "McCain, he is the best liberal for the job."

523 Nancy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:47:33pm

re: #323 Athos

I watch the EV date.

BHO is in serious trouble because he is losing support in some of the solid BLUE states which now are only "likely Obama."

McCain has not lost any solid reds and has gained from "likely red" and neutrals. Some of the STRONG BLUE are now neutral ...like Michigan.

Gone from STRONG BLUE to only likely blue are Wisconsin, Minnesota, Washington State and Oregon. Those are states BHO likely took for granted.

524 ripley45  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:48:32pm

Probably been posted, but this is hilarious:

Inside the DNC

WARNING - This film has four-letter language and is not for the faint of heart.

525 chanticleer  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:48:48pm

What is interesting about Obama is that his poll numbers are what they are. This is with the press actively spinning every bit of news in his favor. With all the free PR the press is providing he should be polling out really high. I think this election is really showing the bias of the press. The press keeps referring to themselves as the 4th estate. AS IF they truly are a branch of government. They are just a working stiff like all the rest of us.


They seem to believe they are smarter the average person. And therefore are entitled to choose the next president. They are not seeing how their behavior is making them more and more irrelevant to the general population. I think what all of this is showing is how a complete overhaul is needed in journalism education. All we seem to get is a little news overladen with opinion. I would like to see some journalist just report the news. I DON'T CARE about the opinion of the guy writing a story. I can make my own mind up about what any given news story means. Just give me the facts. Who, what, when, where and how thank you very much. I don't need your opinion.

526 JustMyView  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:51:13pm

re: #518 Nancy

How do those figures correlate with Alaska produces 20% of the US energy and we don't even KNOW how much more there up there.

I also do know that the US gets MOST of it's oil from Canada. If I recall, it is about 70% comes from Canada.

I'm just reporting what I heard. I think Pickens is a reliable, non-partisan source. Oil reserves are not the same as oil production. We may very well be getting 20% of the energy we consume from Alaska, but that doesn't mean that Alaska holds 20% of the world supply of oil and natural gas.

As to how we know what's there, there's a complex science of estimating oil reserves. Of course, there's some uncertainly, but it's not a crapshoot. In quoting Pickens, I'm assuming he's read the reports correctly.

527 JustMyView  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 4:54:47pm

re: #517 Mich-again

Maybe that is what he meant to say. But then, those are known oil reserves only. And you can't find what you aren't looking for.

True, but the science of oil exploration and estimation of oil reserves is not exactly virgin territory.

528 Wendya  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 5:06:09pm

The Obama campaign is the most arrogant in history. It's like a bunch of 10 year olds are making the decisions. They engage in magical thinking and are of the belief that if they say it, that makes it true and they think everyone one else is just too stupid to fact check their talking points.

Grade: F

529 Wendya  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 5:21:55pm

re: #105 KingKenrod

The electoral race is still very close. A few busloads of voter fraud in Denver or Cleveland or Las Vegas could turn the election for Obama. Obama could take 3 Bush 2004 states - Iowa, Colorado, and New Mexico. Where is McCain going to make up those votes? New Hampshire? Pennsylvania? Michigan?

Obama isn't going to take NM.

530 NastyFreddy  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 6:27:10pm

+1 for Karl Rove


You f*cking rock ... the demoKKKrats still haven't got a stink'in clue what hit them.

And even if you were not behind this, you SHOULD HAVE! This type of stuff should be forever known as a "Rove-motion".

just my $.02

531 Steffan  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 6:37:24pm

re: #53 dentate

You have to remember that the Obamessiah went riding, in public, media in tow, on a bike with a flat tire.

He's got people to understand technology for him. They don't seem to be living up to their contracts.

532 Steffan  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 6:40:40pm

re: #493 Born Again Republican

Fox News just had a bottom banner that stated "Obama camp says McCain is running a "sleazy and disreputable campaign". Where in the hell does he get that? He is throwing anything out there.

The McCain campaign is telling the truth about Obama and quoting his own words, and those of his primary opponents (especially Hillary).

Reminding the voting public of just how shallow Obama really is... is "sleazy and disreputable."

533 erisldysnomia  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 6:41:33pm

Dan Rather, of course, is a computer expert.

Hey Dan, got any proportional typed memos about McCain from the Hanoi Hilton?

534 docremulac  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 8:26:56pm

I'm getting flashbacks of sub-moron liberals talking about how much smarter they are than Bush who had also mastered the art of flying a supersonic jet fighter. As somebody who's flown much simpler airplanes I can tell you that people who think you just sit in a jet fighter and push the "fly" button are really showing their ignorance.

McCain was a Navy fighter pilot, the best of the best of this highly technical profession and let me put it this way, they don't let you fly these things if you don't know how they work. And not just from a "push this button" standpoint but from an engineering standpoint. To think these things are simple, again, really shows a lot of ignorance and to think anybody who flies them is stupid says the same thing.

For this reason alone McCain is several orders of magnitude above Obama in technical prowess unless Obama has some engineering degree he forgot to mention in the two books he wrote about his life. For Obama to think he's got some great high tech skills because he can click a mouse on the Explorer icon is pretty pathetic.

I also think it's pretty common for old folks to make jokes about new technology even if they understand it.

When I saw that Obama add I knew it was over for his campaign.

535 Homer_s  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:49:43pm

re: #184 zombie

Zombie's got it right. I've been participating in my local newspaper's online comment section for the last ten days. Stick with the facts. Don't try to argue.
Be nice.

I've got it down to just a couple, and the conservatives are coming back out of the woodwork and sticking up for themselves.

Posting new articles and moving on is spamming. So is countering with your own cut and paste. Break out the errors, explain them and link to solutions.

The tough ones eventually went moonbatty. When they did I just let them be.

Except for one. Couple o' links to Zombies site. Boom.

Thank you zombie! When they start down the "Where are the WMD?" and "Bushes War" path, it's smackdown time!

I hereby challenge the Lizard Army to read your local newspapers online comment section!

536 good2geaux  Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:54:54pm
537 MJBrutus  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:23:48am

re: #438 David IV of Georgia

Months back, when asked what BHO's biggest shortcoming was, Karl Rove said it was arrogance. That was the interview where he described Hussein at a country club party, glad-handing people and sneering at them behind their backs. Say what you want about Rove, but the man can read people.

538 kansas  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 5:18:46am

re: #172 Mich-again

Just saw a new Obama commercial. Ha. It ends with this crumb of wisdom.


This year, change has to be more than a slogan.

I'm John McCain, and I approve this message.

539 BaseballMom57  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:10:45am

re: #42 Tigger2005

There are times when I fear the same...but I can only hope and pray there are more critically thinking Americans than Obamatons.

540 BaseballMom57  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:20:36am

re: #67 Tigger2005

Imagine if the Dems had been smart and nominated Hillary with Barry as her Veep understudy. Or at the very least if he'd picked Hillary as his running mate. McCain's pick of Sarah Palin wouldn't have had nearly as much impact.

Things weren't going swimmingly prior to the convention, but the second Barry passed over on Hillary everything began to go horribly, horribly wrong ...

One of the Lizards pointed out the other day that McCain seems perfectly happy being upstaged by Sarah when they are on the campaign trail. If Obama had picked Hilary, can anyone in their wildest imaginations say the same of THAT pairing? They'd be shoving each other off the stage trying to be the one to speak first! Hilary, as much as I don't like her, is basically an intelligent woman and can speak without a script, and Obama is....well, uh, um, uh....


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